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244 - Mark Young - CEO of Zona Health

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244 - Mark Young - CEO of Zona Health

"Culling only juice it's time for line Ninja Radio Yeah. It's a weird event to go pick up a prescription in my life and I know so many people that it's just normal. That's what you do on Thursdays Sir what being part of an organization that people with people out of that and educate them to alternative talkative solutions to to life circumstances such as blood pressure on this podcast is sponsored by the Lime Ninja in just symptom tracker. I'm so excited to tell you about our new lyme. Ninja symptom tracker one of the things I hear over and over again whether it's talking to a patient in my office office or consulting over the phone with the client is just how difficult it is to keep track of progress on their life journey recording symptoms daily or even weekly. Give them too many data points. There's so many ups and downs twists and turns at some point. They get lost and confused. 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We're going to be learning three main things of how mark young experience with combating bloodpressure what the Zona machine is and and how this <unk> machine helps you maintain a healthy blood pressure even when you're sick and you can't get out of bed before before we get started I want to have before we get started with the interview. I'd like to send a shout out tall you longtime lime. Ninjas are the reason we have half a million downloads and each week we have listener show new from all of the world from Hong Kong to Tel Aviv leave now a little bit more about marquee is the CEO of Zone a health now. Zona is a handheld device which is used is to improve cardiovascular health. McKay has been using it for a little bit now and has been really interested in this device ice and also the results that he's seen so without further ado here is the interview with Mark Young Lamarcus McKay repeat from line manager radio the Nice to see you McKay. Thanks so much for having me today. It's Kinda funny here because we've been chatting now for forty four minutes and fifty three seconds and and now you push or about now we pushed the record button and we're getting going here so if if you're listening to this and you kind of feel like you're coming into the conversation in the middle title you are but we're going to our best backup and make some sense of this and some more tell us how did you you mentioned a little bit about your background so you bounced all over the place. But how did you get hooked up with fighter pilot technology and becoming a medical device manufacturer. I mean that's not normal path for anybody. Yeah you don't you don't deliberately end up here. I'll agree with you there. Yes as I was telling you might career has been a little bit strange because I'll say that I I've kind of moved into a lot of different things but it's all been because of passion and <hes> I've always followed you know my heart on that kind of stuff which sounds cliche but it's true <hes> specifically now working in the cardiovascular world but <hes> in doing that what I'll say is I became aim acquainted with Zona. <hes> quite a few years ago when Zona actually had already been in a business that was in place and became acquainted with Zona because I'd actually worked with with multiple different companies in the medical device space and interestingly enough was contacted by Zona specifically to work on in projects that they were working out so through mutual acquaintances ended up being connected with <hes> with the team there <hes> worked with Zona actually invested in zone zone. I believed in the product so much that actually put cash into the business <hes> in addition to doing that. I ended up staying connected business for many years and eventually ended up becoming coming to CEO of the company which is kind of interesting <hes> my background was mostly McKay. I'll be honest with you can tell you that I've spent the majority of my career in higher education <hes> working at colleges ages and universities both as a university professor as well as administrator multiple different campuses throughout the country so my background's in education and <hes> as as as we discussed prior that everybody else doesn't have access to that because there was no reporting as we discussed prior it's like I'm also a bit of a fitness enthusiast so the fact that <hes> working with the product and with a company such as Zona that provides the fitness related thing be the all natural non non-pharmaceutical solutions rise right up my alley and the fact that I get to work every day helping people and educating them on why product like this is a perfect perfect alternative <hes> to pharmaceuticals and I don't know if I'm answering your question or if I'm going too far <hes> but the reality is is the using using science like we have with the Zona plus is a it's a counter cultural solution specifically loving it is it's it's very counter cultural and as you and I were discussing author he the biggest thing that we see today particularly in the medical field and and not any kind of criticism towards the medical field to people in the field that are that are listening <hes> but I would say that as a culture we seem very farmer pharmacologically dependent and there seems to be a hill for everything and the reality is in my experience. The side effects are are worse than the symptoms that the pill is trying to cure nine hundred ten cases. <hes> an doc wallet does fix the problem is a lot of things that come with it and you actually interestingly enough gave him give an analogy and told a story about patients of yours. That would commend you. Give you'd ask him to give a health history. Tell you everything was fine. Nothing's wrong. Everything's good I'm in good health and then they give you a a laundry list of of prescriptions that they're taking <hes> and and there's just this disconnect in your mind. What was it would be fine if everything's working so why are you on all these medications and and the reality is is that it's just become normal the it's just become normal men in my life if I have to go to the pharmacy to pick up a prescription normally. It's like an antibiotic because so you know I caught a cold or whatever <hes> it's a weird event. Go pick up a prescription in my life. <hes> and I know so many people that it's just normal. That's what you do on Thursdays you know so. I I love being part of an organization that is able to <hes> get people out of that mindset and educate them to alternative solutions to to life circumstances such as high blood pressure or in many cases even some of the other other things that were able to to address using the science and you give them an alternative to tha that prescription living that dependency you know there's this phrase that started to creep around you know it's stay in your lane right and the thing is as a human being is you need to have access to all those different lanes and not <hes>. I I think as physicians and even sometimes a- as an acupuncture we get our ego get attached to our lane and we don't want people leaving our lane so we'll we'll we'll fight for them to stay in our lane when really what they need to do is move out and I love that you said that you know. Zone is counter cultural device in as an acupunctures that does rank drew's like Slough. I ended up in acupunctures acupunctures like Yep. We're going to do something against the flow here and then stick needles and make him feel better. Larry's three though it's so true and I love that counter cultural anything and maybe that just speaks to my personality but I'm always trying to disassemble everything in my mind and come up with a better solution like there's gotta be a better way to do this better mouse trap kind of mentality and and I'm always you know again. I'm always in my mind trying to disassemble everything to find a way that we can make it better and this is a solution that I just literally and using myself as I was telling you all fair yeah you know still this whole idea of I love speaking to physicians who have a previous life as has an engineer because they approach medicine at as an engineer they wanNA break it down. They WanNa know what's making it work and they want to make things better better and not always like a thousand times better but just a little bit of can we do this a little bit always ask the question can't break do this in a better way and that's not a physician conversation conversation and I'm going to insult some people out there but if you are a physician or health practices during you have that mindset your year unusual you know your bid a little counter counterculture with within your culture there most of the physicians are busy and are interested in doing the right thing so they're following the protocols that that have been laid out for them. There's less and less space for creativity within within the profession now the other thing I want to bring up but just in terms of lyme disease. One of the side effects that some people get with lyme disease is their blood pressure skyrockets right for there's no apparent reason they're just something breaks down in the management system so your device will be directly applicable to to that subset set of the population. A lot on the other side are actually dealing more with pots things the posture <unk>. What does that Ortho static whatever Taika anyway you stand up and you get faint right your blood. Pressure doesn't adjust quick quickly enough and you know for for that side of things it does does zone regulate both up and down or is it just kind of only been shown to to reduce blood pressure. That's really interesting that you say that because <hes> one of the things and we're actually in the process right now of going through a very large clinical study that that we've <hes> you know put out to make stronger claims about the product and so on which I'm like. I can't even tell you how excited about this and I'll give you some statistics on that in a minute but you're specifically speaking if I'm hearing you're talking about Ortho static hypertension. Yes thank you yep and what what is for instance the blood pressure in the body drops during during <hes> you know some kind of <hes> what I'll say a reactive activity like for instance standing up to fasting upright something really difficult standing seriously seriously but as a person stands up too quickly and then as that person stands up too quickly to blood pressure drops suddenly and and been doesn't self-regulate fast enough <hes> interestingly enough that's part of the study that we're doing with Zona and part of the reason behind it is because says that's part of having an increased blood pressure because the blood pressure. It's not just that it statically stays high. It's that it fluctuates too much. <hes> for instance one of the things things that we measure with the device and the device doesn't measure for the average user who's using it at home <hes> but we measure it in clinicals. That's one of the things we do is after are using the device <hes> you know and we haven't really described the way the device works. I probably should step backwards and walks with a treatment looks like so all of this makes sense to somebody thirty year. Let's do that yeah so I'll get back to the point talking about or static hypertension but so there's only device but those that are listening while explain to as it's a hand held device kind of looks like a it gets described as looking like a star Trek phaser <hes> or looking like a scanner at a grocery store checkout <hes> but the reality is. It's a hand grip. It's a hand grip with the display and what does owner does it uses isometric therapy isometric of course the Latin words were being equal measurement and isometrics is is a is a is an anaerobic exercise and what it is is it's holding us something and making the muscles stay at an exact measurement over a prolonged period of time and as an example what you see is the differences. I was explaining to McKay moment. Ago Is the difference between doing a sit up versus a plank in a sit up as aerobic exercise. A plank is anaerobic. It's holding things at a static up. I'll say pressure but at a static resistance level was Zona does it. It's a hand grip and moving from your right hand to your left. Hand it measures. There's enough time you use it. The maximum squeeze that your body is able to do today and some mornings. I'm just I'm just my body's not as strong as it is other mornings <hes> and eh can't squeeze it as heart but it's okay because Zona actually uses algorithms to calculate your maximum grip strength for today and then it has you calibrate right hint calibrate left-hand then you actually do a two minute therapy on your right hand what it does is it actually forces you to stay in an exact thirty the three percent of maximum grip strength for a period of two minutes you rest for one moment you do the two minutes on your left hand breast two minutes on your right hand rest two minutes on your left <hes> this back and forth and the break times are exactly measured and been measured through multiple different studies is proving that the two minutes is the exact interval and that the the thirtyish percent the exact number and what it does is it keeps you within within a <hes> a tower of that exact percentage and the system using both audio and visual cues tells you if you need to squeeze more or you need to squeeze less and it's amazing easing how at the end of two minutes first of all you feel tired from it but more than that what happens is you'll notice that your grip starts to relax and all of a sudden you're being told squeeze more squeeze more squeeze more squeezing the same as I was and you're like No. I'm not I guess but you know your your arm starts to weaken so the idea that you need to keep it there and can do it <unk> by yourself without such a measurement devices not accurate but using that isometric therapy what happens is static hold on on on that grip rip for that period of time forces the muscle into <hes> into an isometric which is an equal measurement. Imagine the case that you did a squat what everybody's familiar with a squat you know feet parallel standing shoulder length apart you know but back chest up and you and you drop as low as you can bending bending only your knees <hes> now imagine you did that but you only went down thirty percent of the way and had to stop and hold that squad for two minutes your legs get tired and what happens is as your muscles starts to fatigue your body response to that fatigue by pushing additional blood flow to the oxygen eight the muscle to make sure the muscles able to able to control itself and not get damaged the beautiful part about that is that overtime it's usually refined as a period somewhere between four to eight weeks and it actually varies by user but over that period of time what happens is the <hes> the wining and the blood vessels actually start to reform and it actually increases the elasticity in the resistance vessels and increasing <hes> that US tizzy increased to greater permeability in the endothelial lining in the cardiovascular system <hes> not only does that make for or better blood flow because obviously the more flexible the <hes> that the blood vessels are the more freely blood can flow but the more freely blood can flow <music>. Obviously the pressure goes down. It's like releasing the Kink in a garden hose and allowing the water to flow and in doing so what happens you just become overall real healthy and and at the same time as you were speaking McKay one of the things that you talked about was that that that increased elasticity and and the increased permeability particularly in that endothelial lining makes for greater saturation of nitric oxide throughout the body and I'll I'll shut up and let that you speak on the nitric oxide side because that's your area of expertise more than anything <hes> does that explain it if I got in too weird on that no no now. I'm I've got some really basic. Questions here like has anybody ever broken. One of these like some strong man says yeah it squeezed it and I broke it and not even close. Every every device is actually in our manufacturing center is actually calibrated and we actually put it in a cradle that specifically shaped like the device crush it and every devices pre crushed before you receive it but we put it in there and calibrated but it's it's calibrated rated for up to I. It's somewhere I forget. The exact calibration of her is but it's it's over two hundred pounds of pressure like I told you I mean I'm. I'm a relatively strong I and and I get it to about one hundred pounds of pressure so that someone's going to have that much hand grip strength to crush the devices probably not gonNa Happen and then how about on the other side. Can you be too weak to use it. No Serb is again bear in mind it only measures. It actually calibrates. It's to your daily maximum grip strength so even a person who's elderly in <unk>. We have people who use it are in their eighties with arthritis <hes> and what it does is it calibrates to you and in calibrating to you you get the same benefit a person who's eighty years old and can only squeeze it at the thirty forty pounds of pressure and and then does the therapy. It's the exact same benefit of a strong man who squeezes it to one hundred and fifty pounds of pressure because it's calibrating to that individual's visuals maximum grip strength you know. I've got a infrared sauna in my practice and that's one of the benefits of the Sauna. Donna is that you go in there and you get a you can get a cardio workout because your body has to work on cooling itself just by sitting there air ways you get somebody who's you know can't for whatever reason isn't very mobile but this is even better because you don't even have to get out of bed and you don't have the expensive buying yourself. Asana to get your body working in this way into recognize okay that work is being done and we need to begin to send out all the healing and growth hormones that happen when that's kicking in now. Here's here's a little side. Do have you ever said you're a fitness. Have you ever dealt into like the power of ten exercise stuff that I know what you're talking. Okay personally embarrassed myself and say I'm more of a across the guy that's all right it. Just it strikes me. It's really lines up in some ways. It's not isometric in that. You are moving the weights but you're doing it so slow and then part of it is you are at the last rep holding it for as long for as long as you can there be failure and that that is purely isometric so you brought the muscles to failure and then you're still asking them to work and it really sounds to me like the same. It's kicking in the same mechanism now. The other thing is and I noticed you didn't say this explicitly early but the the period of time you're squeezing Ford's two minutes and two minutes may or may not sound like a long time to you but in in I've started using this and two minutes I realize is much longer than I'm not only focusing on anything focusing on using this device for two minutes hits for four different intervals. I have to be honest. Decay probably exercises my brain yes of my more than it does my body. I was going to ask you about that. How much is this. This is simply disguised meditation. Do you talk. I'm going to tell you that the science behind the body is very very much very very much. <hes> rooted in research but to your point. I believe that there is actually a <hes> eight a halo effect. If you will <hes> that takes place because it does force you to pay attention to it. We're we're such a multitask <hes> world that when when we're having to force through to rest our minds and focus on something that does require that work one of the one of the this is interesting because we're actually in the process right now. If you know doing some potential redesigns <hes> you know to just always trying to improve the technology and the user experience. One of the suggestions was made. Can we do this so that there are much stronger audio cues so that a person doesn't have to visually watch it and they can do it while doing other things and and the conversation that you're bringing up actually came up in our conversations are indeed was sure we can we can change the way the audio accuser used an and and so on but are we actually getting rid of some of the benefit and that is just making a person's mind stopped for twelve minutes. 'cause I don't know about you but I don't think my does most other times the day I was starting so I I started to attempt to read my email while I was doing my Zona and that lasted about twenty twenty seconds okay. Let's focus now. There's a mine is sitting on my desk right in front of me and as I told you it's like I've I've never had a problem with blood pressure before <hes> and then all of a sudden I did and I think that's I think that's the story for most people people and it's like I. I'm forty four years old and I shouldn't have blood pressure as you and I never have <hes> and then all of a sudden I get my blood pressure for UN for or no reason I mean there's no external reason I mean maybe some stress I guess but I mean my blood pressure was always like one ten over seventy I would go to the doctor and the nurse would take egg might be P and we'd be like Oh are you a runner and I am thank you you know and <hes> but what's funny. Is that all of a sudden. I've actually but all of a sudden my my blood bloodpressure. I've taken a reading because I didn't feel well and it was like one forty five over ninety. Something like Holy Cow Lick ready to have heart attack here shift breath. It was a big shift and it was very sudden and as I told you it was the rubber hit the road because I'm telling everybody to lower their blood pressure naturally but I didn't have the problem so it almost seemed <hes> somewhat hypocritical and then all of a sudden here I am having to take take a spoonful of the the medicine and then I'm telling everybody else keeps us it. It really does it really doesn't really became that physician heal thyself moment <hes> and and the reality is that that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm sitting here with one on my desk and I do it every day when I come in the office that gives me five days a week and if I'm traveling. It's in my briefcase briefcase <hes> for anyone who is about to ask this question. No you never have a problem going to airport security device and we find that what happens is as people are using the device iced over a period of time <hes> they stopped getting those symptoms at Ortho static hypo tension also gets under control and the reason for Ford is because your body's not trying to push blood through narrower more static openings there. There's more flexibility. There's there's you know more permeability so so yes. It actually does help with that. That's okay so that's the first time I've thought of the the low blood pressure as is also being an actually the the chains lack of change of blood pressure is also being a consequence of inflexibility in in the cardiovascular system but it makes sense is you're asking the body to respond in some way and its ability. It's flexibility is in up to snuff so it takes some time to to adjust like if you're gonNa if you have stiff capillaries and you're in a nice comfortable seated position or lying down and they go to stand up and and all of a sudden you need to get more blood into your brain and your capital and your arteries are stiff it just can't do it can't do it yourself and I whoa and never thought of it as a as the opposite end of of of stiffness but the same result no thank you for that interesting right yeah absolutely absolutely so to lack of ability to adjust the lack of the flexibility I wanNA throw them out there. I said to you that we're in the process right now of wearing the in the midst of giant research the era for us. We're doing lots more research and doing a lot more things than an part of that is because we talk about the nitric oxide released but also the ability to you know create more flexibility throughout the entire cardiovascular and circulatory systems <hes> very interesting to me. There's so many other things things that while I'm careful not to call them because a lot of the things I'm going to say are are actual medical indications so I don't want to speak out of turn on the but what I will we'll say is increasing blood flow and increasing <hes> nitric oxide production is <hes> is a treatment for multiple other types of indications completely unrelated to high blood pressure. Yom For we find that you know people who use his own a plus and I I will I will preface and be very careful careful to not overstep my clinical boundaries here but we find that anecdotally <hes> people tell us that using the Zona. They don't actually <hes> <hes> it. They don't have migraine headaches anymore because migraines are usually related to constricted blood vessels leading to bring an increased blood flow reduces the migraine because it increases that blood flow same thing for erectile dysfunction. That's that's all a matter of blood flow and and people who <hes> and we talked about that actually on the Dave aspirant podcasts. I know you said you listen to that and increased blood flow fixes that problem woman increased blood flow and increased nitric oxide production it. It's linked to increases in memory. It's overall zooey yeah it. It's it's ridiculous. I mean truthfully. It's it's muscle recovery. <hes> I mean personally like any friends of mine that are just avid. Fitness is people even if they don't have high blood pressure. I recommend that they're using a device like this. Because most you talk about the power of ten but most people who are working out our lifting pinged they're running. They're playing sports all aerobic and you talk about opposite ends of the same coin and that is this is an anaerobic exercise. It's the opposite of what they're doing to work out. It actually works out the other side of the system if you will and doing that they're actually pushing towards muscle muscle exhaustion and this actually increases muscle recovery right which so so important. I'm sure you know I have in my practice. <hes> people who over exercise right there compensating their it's their stress relief so they're stressed out of their mind the only way they can call their brains down on his Bhai over exercising so they're always on the limit of physical damage litter or immune system damage and there are lots of reasons why why why that happens in the scientists pretty good on that they don't allow themselves the country using using something like this and and making sure they've got the the like. I said that ANAEROBIC backup it increases muscle recovery simply because the nitric oxide production. It's better than any. VCA They're gonNA take a a water bottle to the gym yeah now. I'm going to pause here a little bit and I'm GonNa. I'm GonNa speculate some though let's talk about nitric oxide and then you can give me your comments so nitric oxide. Is this coordinating signaling molecule. Though it's like an it to like the gears on a mountain bike like the the more gears you have the more you can do with your mountain bike and that's nitric doc so. I wanted to work and gives you all these extra years so you can go up the hill and down the ill and over the obstacles smoothly and as you lose strick oxide. I'd what happens is you lose your ability to adjust to your environment and so things become more stressful and more damage is done and somebody who's got lime disease. They're really in recovery mode all the time right. They've they've just gone through this marathon of fighting off this infection in the gutter recover from it or they're still in the process of pointing all and bure nitric oxide system isn't coordinated or coordinating your recovery then and you're not GonNa heal as well and we see these things that you were talking about that are also related to nitric oxide. Sleep patterns is nitric oxide. Bow Motilal Tilleke is related to nitric oxide of course blood pressure which we've been talking about. Everybody kind of knows about that. Blood flow is all related to depression has been linked to nitric oxide aside. They've actually done some studies where they've treated resistant depression with <hes> with nitric oxide gas. It's just again. It's not there. There's a wonderful study where they they eliminated. They changed mouse genetically and they took away the mices ability to produce nitric oxide oxide through the the enzymes and these mice were born fine. They lived okay for a while but after they get hit about mice middle title Mouse Middle Age which is about eight to ten months all of a sudden they started dying of heart attacks for no reason except that they didn't have the nitric oxide so nitrile oxide isn't critical like oxygen. You're not going to die in a couple of minutes but again without those gears the coordination of these gears in the body nitric nitric oxide provides. You're GONNA hit some sort of road bump in your life. Whether it's lime disease or whatever it's going to be and all of a sudden you're not. GonNa respond as well yeah. I completely agree with you. I don't know what he did to add to that. That's exactly exactly right and and I think a lot lot of people don't realize the overall benefits nitric oxide in his you're saying the wheels and a bicycle that the the the the gears and I mean you're talking about the benefits of nitric oxide production being blood. I mean just overall circulation which leads to healthier immunity because with better circulation it leads to detoxification because the more the bloods able to move the more you don't end up with style say toxins wedged in the body someplace because they're they're flushed out through better blood blood flow that you're talking about better better blood flow leading to muscle recovery which leads to endurance levels increased alertness levels because increased blood flow increases increases the amount of oxygen that gets moved around the body particularly to the brain the I mentioned ed pain relief just just so so many benefits and and again. I would say that it's it's something that I think the average person just doesn't know much about and it's not talked about enough in the medical community well. This takes going to bring this about back around to where we started before he hit the record button and then wrap wrap up here. You've been most generous with your time. I've taken up way too much of it for a CEO of a big company like you've gone on. There is one thing I wanted to okay you. Go ahead so one of the things I was actually saying to earlier McCabe again. I mentioned that we're in. We're in a big research cycle right now. And what are the things that I found this interesting because this is actually a statistic that I did not know <hes> and it was discussed in the submission of an it recently and the number and so we talked about systolic diastolic blood pressure and systolic being the top number diastolic the bottom the the systolic blood pressure from the FDA standards the FDA considers a significant drop in what pressure and and I'm I'm curious. You know this number at all. I would imagine which looked at some of these studies. It's not much depressingly small. It's depressingly small yeah and and the FDA calls a significant drop in blood pressure five points that it if your blood pressure sure is it one fifty dropping to one forty five his third medically significant but Lemme Lemme tell you the statistic that I just I heard though and this is this is new information. I will be honest and tell you that it was discussed in a conversation I haven't went and pulled up the research myself but I have no reason to disbelieve the person who shared and that is the reason that the FDA says five points is considered medically significant. Is that for every five points that you lower your systolic Alec blood pressure it actually cuts your risk of heart attack in half while every five point so it's assuming that we started at an eighty percent risk factor <hes> five points brings you down to a forty percent risk factor and another five points brings you down to twenty money and another five points brings you down at. I mean obviously that that number is always going to have some level because you're never going to divide by by two and get two zero but but but the reality is is that it's going to just keep bringing that that at risk factor down over and over again and I thought that's that just blows my mind that it's such a small thing because I even asked question in that unit research meeting. I said you're saying five points. I mean certainly you mean five percentage points points right and the answer was 'cause. I'm thinking well blood pressure. One fifty five points get you to one forty five five percentage points ditch it down to one forty forty two and a half like May. Maybe that's I mean that's that's a bigger number and I was corrected and told no it is actually won. You know won fifty to one forty forty five. It's five actual points that makes that reduction and let me tell you the reason why that blew me away. McKay is that we've taken every clinical study study that we've had on Zona and I'm talking strict blood pressure right now not not anything related to all the other possible positive side effects. We've discussed the but just related to blood pressure. If I took every clinical study we've done okay and that that's research. That's been done by Johns Hopkins. That's research. That's been done at the Mayo Clinic Yada Yada Yada. I'm all of them averaged together so it's not that one study was particularly good and that's the one we use all of them averaged together so the ones that showed the most impact to the ones that showed the least all of them showed effective but in just an average it's number of all over the results shows that Zona decreased systolic blood pressure by nineteen points and Mike and and that's on average we say we say ten to fifteen percent is normally the number but nineteen points the FDA says that five five points is a statistically significant number and we're dropping nineteen AMAC holy colleague the Almo- I almost I sit hear those numbers. I'm like who want to do this right blowing a lawyer yeah seriously and in a it's almost like it's almost got this this this a-bomb when it comes to due to fighting this problem and yet. I I'll say that we're probably the best solution no one's ever heard of so that that's on me and we need to make sure that more people hear about right but those numbers to meet just there there is indisputable in. Oh okay at at the risk of sending you a uh off. I'm so you know you see the ADS on TV selling scooters right not gonNA cost you. A dime. Medicare is going to pay for it. Just give us your information and will handle all the billing and stuff like that. How how difficult is it to get an on a list like that. Where instead of handing out a pill? They're handing <MUSIC> OUT ZONA DEVICE WILL I. I can't tell you that that is a <hes>. That's a thing what I will tell you is that if if you do any research on the scooter places that were doing that they ended up in class action lawsuits yeah what they're still selling them pincay shutdown other but in art in it is just the way that they that they do that but I mean I don't know you don't you don't have to you don't have to talk about them. I'll make fun of they can come after me you got yeah but but but in terms but in terms of getting a approved as a <hes> and a code to go with it they can prescribe a doctor could prescribe your device. It's what's what's that process like. Is it something even consider sitters like wait. This is too big right now now. The process is grueling and I told you that we're in a research cycle right now and much of the reason behind that is for that the reason that you're discussing I wouldn't use that as a point to anybody who could possibly be listening to the podcast to tell them to you know don't take action now because he may be covered over glaister five hundred yeah it to the contrary that's not happening by next. Thursday <hes> I would tell you that we're in the process right now doing some of that right and part of it is that in order to in order to receive that type of that type approval. It's unfortunately it's April work issue. <hes> and we've already moved in that direction. We're already looking <hes> to make sure that that happens. <hes> now. I think our biggest portions even without that in place we want to get the science out to people who want to use it and and there are some people who are going to tell us they simply can't afford you know that that private healthcare that way <hes> <hes> and what I would tell you is one of the things that we talked about earlier was the difference between healthcare and sick care <hes> and I would tell you making an investment in buying things that improve your overall health save you fortunes later on and then you had talked about your lime disease. <hes> you know issues where you couldn't even practice medicine. You can work in your own practice because you had taken a decline. It was an expensive three months. Yeah I was GONNA say probably the most expensive health problem you've ever had and it wasn't related to the medical bills. It was related to the loss of income and and I think that's it to me anyways. I look at it that my goal in stain in good health isn't so that I can avoid medical bills or isn't so I can make sure that I only get diseases. That insurance discovers it's because I don't want to lose my quality of life. I don't WANNA lose my ability to earn I don't want to I don't WANNA lose. Those things and I think those are opportunity. Tapie costs that we seldom think about that said we are actually F. S. A. H. S. A. Approved so anybody who has flexible spending accounts health saving saving accounts <hes> you can use that money towards getting zone. <hes> insurance companies require that you get specific information if somebody I have seen at work where a doctor actually writes the personal letter telling the insurance company that this is something that they should cover for the sake of wellness and insurance companies have reimbursed but in terms of actually having a building code the answer is we do not have one right now <hes> and that simply because we've been pushing other directions. We've actually been expanding ending into international markets and so on but we're working there. We're actually working there right now. That's part of our research. Cycle is getting to that point and I didn't mean that as a dacre just my mind no I would love that I would honestly love it if everybody could get their hands on one because what happens is there's <hes> say that if you're not covered by insurance and I hate that phrase I absolutely hate that because the best things for you are not things the insurance chance company wants to pay for the insurance company wants to they just WanNa treat the sickness. They don't want to help the wellness. There's a difference <hes> and unfortunately there's Consumer Sumer skepticism <hes> because we we believe that if insurance doesn't cover it that it must not be good it must be it must not be quality enough in a hate that that that cynicism actually as you know takes over too much of our thinking <hes> so yeah we get it. We understand it and I would love it if I could to put this in the hands of everybody because the reality is that if people didn't have to put a risk in divine one of the risks being that I'm GONNA put my money up to see if it works which we do have a ninety ninety day money back guarantee so if it doesn't work people can send it back. We don't expect anybody to take risk with it but if somebody got it from an insurance company <hes> you give them zero risk to frying. It and I think that would be able to get more people do it. That's not that's incredible. Drug should come with the ninety day money back guarantee you think right. I think a lot of people are interested did and checking out all the research you have. You have an awesome website. Where do they go. They can go directly to SONA DOT COM TO Z. O. N. A. DOT DOT COM and check it out. Check out the research checkout. You know everything about it. Give us a call at your if you still have questions call and talk to one of our customer service people they'll they'll gladly gladly help and that number is eight six six six six nine nine six six two <hes> it's also on our website but Zona. Oh Dot com would be the place to go and I will tell you mackay people who are listening to your podcast if they want to actually go and try his own for themselves what I'm GonNa do right now. I'm actually doing it as we're speaking right now. I'm going to make sure that I give them some kind of incentive to listening to your podcast and let them share share in the in the wells here on in for your generosity of having the on the show. I want to pass that along to them and offer them if they use the coupon code McKay Okay Emma A. C. K. A. Y. <hes>. I'll just put that into our system here and Mac K. A. Y. Will actually offer them a one hundred dollar discount if they do want to try the device go to our go to our website and when it asked you for your coupon code just type in coupon code. McKay and it'll give you that hundred dollar discount at certainly I take some of the sting out of trying amazing new signs right absolutely <music> and that was our interview with mark. Young you know so many people with lyme disease have issues with a blood pressure and combining that with any other symptoms like fatigue that might be on top of that okay and I were really interested in this product because it seemed a fairly simple straightforward and on some possibly most importantly supplement free way to maintain a some control over your cardiovascular health so I encourage you to check out the zone and let's see if that would work for you also encourage you to visit our website. 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You're listening to prevail with Dave Asprey to these cool fact of the day is that as your blood pressure rises? So do all sorts of different risks. Some new blood pressure guidelines announced at the end of twenty seventeen just pushed half of US adults into the unhealthy range, basically one thirty over eighty is the new one forty over ninety. And if you don't know what that means you're gonna learn on today's show, what it means in terms of risk is that now there's one hundred three million people from seventy two million people under the old definition by blood pressure that need to make some changes in their diet and exercise look into devices or anything else, they can do to lower your risk of heart attack, and stroke. And all the other bad things that happen when your blood pressure's too high, and these new guidelines are the first major updates since two thousand three and they were just announced that the American heart association's annual scientific sessions, and the researchers said. Quote. It's very clear that lower is better in that came out of the Tulane University School public health, and I'm gonna put a little asterisk on that almost everything in your body. It's not true that lower is better just because cholesterol is bad. Well, if you have close to low, your risk of all sorts of seizes go up just because cortisol is the stress hormone if records too low you'll hate your life. Did you know that insulin that's too? Low increases your risk of death more than high insulin. It does. So what's going on, as you want your blood pressure? And every other hormone level and biomarker to be in the correct zone for living very long time and having tons of energy. So I'm gonna put a Astros there that says it's not clear that lower is better. It's clear that lower than where most people are is better. But if you have low blood pressure, don't lower it anymore because your brain kinda likes oxygen now in my master's degree, and foreshadowing that I've been working on here in the show, you probab-. Have guests that we'll be talking about blood pressure, but you probably haven't got so we're going to be talking about something that has nothing to do with what you eat, or how you exercise or even medication. So that has piqued your interest, what's left. You might ask yourself. Well, what's left is technology? They might be able to use that changes your blood pressure, and improves it, this is something that if you're a long-time listener, or you've been following the blog for many years, the early days, I talked about this technology and just haven't really talked about it much, since then it's called Zona plus and this is just a really cool tack, because instead of using drugs instead of going out, making lifestyle changes that you probably really should make anyway. Whether doing is they're using data and real time feedback in order to teach your body to control its own blood pressure in a way that's really profound effective very quickly with tons of science behind it. So the guest on the show today is Mark young the CEO of zone. Health and Mark is a actually his background is in clinical psychology, and his work with a variety of medical tech companies in an education for a long time. And he's really passionate and motivated about showing people. Here's what a small amount of training of your blood vessels can do for you. Mark, welcome to the show. I appreciate that. New. All right. Give me the lowdown given that you're working with his new technology. What exactly is hypertension? What's going on with it just for people listening going? Yeah, I'd never thought about my blood. My blood pressure too much. What, what's the deal with it? Yet will appreciate the intro that you gave because you talked about these ticks of the number of Americans that are suffering with high blood pressure. And we make the claim on our website that one out of three Americans and statistically, that's accurate. And that includes most countries in fact, it's not that America's Pacific. We have good data. Good data, like research. The, the, the reality is that one out of three people are dealing with it, and of the one out of three they say that one out of five people don't even know they have it. So a lot of people are, are oblivious, to the fact that even have high blood pressure problems. And as you alluded to the most recent update by the American Heart Association. Ask the average person what their ideal blood pressure is and they come back and say, one twenty over eighty. Right. That's been that's been the number. We all grew up, knowing was the perfect bloodpressure American Heart Association. Recently came out, and said, no actually, is better at one ten over seventy and one twenty over eighty which used to be the perfect score is now actually verging on pre hypertension. So people who thought they had perfect blood pressure and factor elevated by the current standards. And as you pointed out, now, we've got a lot more people who are in risk and didn't even know it. Can you talk about the two different numbers in the score? And just kind of give people grounding in what systolic diastolic are. I mean systolic is obviously, the top number of the blood pressure reading diastolic on the bottom number both. I don't know how much science you wanna go into on that. But so it with blood pressure to numbers, and one is when your heart beats how much pressure is there when you're actually pushing the other one is how much pressure is there when you're not pushing right? And. What's what, what's the problem with high blood pressure in general? Why should people care if it? So what are the risks? How does it work? Well, high blood pressure itself is obviously a problem in what happens. Is it puts a strain on the heart because imagine the case like give people the example of kink in a garden hose, you put a kink in a garden hose, and all of a sudden, the pressure builds up so much that it, it starts to force it like a backwash if you will, to high blood pressure causes all sorts of issues throughout the entire body, web MD would tell you that you're dying of everything if you looked up high blood pressure, but the idea that the, the heart needs to pump even harder and harder and harder weakens it leading to cardiovascular disease leading to strokes leading to at any number of medical indications. Simply just based on based on those numbers seeming to be off. Obviously some of the other things that have intrigued me about this, are that if you have high pressure clue the heart has to push harder. But you also then have increased chance of fluids leaking out. And this is something that happens when you get puffiness in your legs. You get inflammation throughout the body you so cold water weight can happen. And of course, things like an aneurysm where you have a weakening of a blood vessel. If you have more pressure in there, it's more likely to be a problem, the microbials in your kidneys, really are most at risk, high blood pressure, which a lot of people don't know. And so one in five people listening, at least the ones who haven't ever measured. This probably don't know they have it. And if you go to the doctor measure, it you probably don't know either, because a lot of people get high blood pressure from the white lab, coat syndrome, and just being in a doctor's office, which is usually not the place that you feel relaxed you mentioned kidney failure in there. And his blood pressure has been recently linked to the number one cause kidney. Failure. Yeah. So we don't think of that is being concerned, but it's like what pressures affecting so many different functions throughout the body that it's almost two extensive list. Now, I've put up a few videos over the years, sort of visceral. This idea that, oh, eat less salt to lawyer blood pressure. Do you have a perspective on sodium than blood pressure that you wanna talk about versus the wave? Just training your body to do what you wanted to do. I'll tell you that as you said before, too. Little is not always better. And with salt intake, certainly, too much salt does lead to increase water retention increased blood pressure, too. Little salt has adverse effects as well. And, and there's it's all things in moderation. You know that it's about getting the right level, and it drives me nuts because the unless you're one of the three to five percent, people who are salt sensitive. Hypertensive cz. The amounts that your blood pressure will go up from eating more. Sodium is within the error margin of a blood pressure cuff at the doctor's office. It's a very small effect. And so a lot of people have high blood pressure, not because they have too much sodium. But because they don't have enough, potassium or magnesium about ratios of these and people who have low sodium levels have a serious problem dealing with stress. In fact, if you lower your sodium, really even to the levels that are recommended today in the recommended dietary guidelines increases your heart attack risk, because low-sodium increases Renan and Renan, then increases your cardiac risk for dramatically. So same thing you gotta be in that in that right zone. And of course, your named Zona which is funny. But you just you have to you have to get it there. So for me, I was on a low sodium Arava thing for a long time. And you know what I feel a lot better on six to eight grams of Sony day and. That's because it helps my body manage the stress load in my life. He's my blood pressure where I wanted to be in, if I eat not enough salt. I actually get low blood pressure, which is annoying. And a lot of people though they eat extra salt. They get puffy but they take mcneese Eum or that you other things, and they don't get puffy. So it's really, it's a complex thing. But the idea that I'm not at risk, because eat alot sodium diet. The data does not support that correct? In fact, the head of the American society of hypertensive misquoted of it, you talking about the American, hypertension, society, Q one. This is going back, well, but he did a study of three thousand people looking at urinary sodium excretion instead of all the data that we look at comes from self reported salt intake, and can you tell me how many grams assault today not a clue? All right. Garbage data and they did all these things that are just not even with our recommendations. But at the end of the study with real data direct, quote from the lead study guy, he says, quote, if you wanna live longer, eat more salt. Okay. Now clue there's an upper limit, but we're in there. So I just want you. If you're listening to this, like, okay, this isn't a conversation about salt, and blood pressure. Because salt isn't going to be that big of a factor in your blood pressure, unless you're in that tiny three to five percent. So given that twenty percent of people don't know. They have high blood pressure and about thirty three percent or whatever percentage of it have it. This is a big deal. And if you look to your left and your right, you look at your mom your dad or your kids, whatever, you know, people all around you have this, and so this is a fundamental thing and traditionally, we use medications for this, right. So you go the doctor. And this, this medication has some weird side effects, and it's expensive cetera et cetera. What's the Zona approach will Zona? Coach and you bring up the medications in my personal passion behind being involved with Zona and, and getting the word out to the public to be honest with you is, it's a medication for living. And I think that speaks to most of your audience as well as the idea behind, there's a lot of solutions to a lot of life is life ailments and better living that are not not related to medication. Obviously, so Zona is a you mentioned, the isometrics, I believe earlier. And Zona is actually a it's a we call it an isometric exerciser. And what that means is, it's a medical device that uses isometric exercise to ultimately lower blood pressure. I think most people don't note. I exercise as you beat me to it sounds like a flavor of malt. It's good, right? The ISO metrics, literally meaning ice. Oh, meaning equal metric, meaning measurements means that isometric exercise is the exact opposite of what most people think of, when they think of aerobic, exercise so robot exercise lifting weights. Take heavy things pick them up put him back down. So I so metric, exercise is the idea that you're holding a muscle group and holding your body at a very static resistance level. So, like a plank a person doing a plank is holding all of the muscles associated with holding that position in an equal measurement. So the body is not lifting anything and putting it back down. It's not turning in circles, like a bicycle it's doing none of that. And what's happening with that ice? Oh, metrics is the difference between ero- bec- exercise versus anaerobic and what's happening with anaerobic, exercise is, it's triggering the Paris and pathetic nervous system, and that has multiple different outcomes for, which is, what does own helps with Zona pluses doing navy is, is actually working to help the body use its own healing properties to heal itself. Does own is not doing anything to someone? It's, it's, it's not doing anything other than helping you do. Exactly what your body's naturally programmed. To do. It's really cool, how it came about. There's got my attention years ago. When I first heard about this. I was so excited about it. And I've actually gave one to my dad, who has high blood pressure. And he uses it on a regular basis. It looks like a little joystick a Star Trek phaser. Yeah. Yeah. If that's even better like little phaser grocery store. Scanners. What we. Most likely descriptors for it. And the idea though, is that. Fighter pilots used to pass out when they do hygiene, maneuvers. And the reason they pass out is blood pressure, control issues, the blood drains out of their head when they're spinning their, their jet, and then it crashes I lost a great uncle to jet fighter pilot thing like that years before I was alive. But, you know, family, lower the point of it, though, is that we learned with pilots, how to not pass out. So one of the things that they do they wear a pressure suit, which actually compresses the bodies so that the blood won't go or sound supposed to go. But then they learned this cool hack that, if they squeeze the control stick, really, really hard that, that pressure was along to maintain their blood pressure. The way they wanted to. So there's own a plus use that knowledge in that original research where they know states. Some of these guys who had high blood pressure, don't anymore. What's up with that? And they realized oh, you can squeeze this. Little joystick like device. Not too hard not to soft just in that Goldilocks zone, just like you don't want your. Cortisol to IT low your blood pressure to, to you want your, your grips ring, not to be as hard, as you can squeeze because you can do that with the spring, you don't want to soft, and you do this for two minutes per hand twice a day, essentially eight minutes a day. What kind of results are you guys see a dozen clinical studies thing now, which is why I wanted to have you back on. But like what do people see from that I go back to your first point, I'll get back to that one, but you mentioned the story behind, how Zona even came about, and we get a lot of questions. Probably one of the biggest questions that we hear from people is why have never heard of this before, is this brand new is this real so on so forth. And, and it's fun that we can take the story all the way back to nineteen sixty nine which is when Dr Ronald Wiley, who is actually a well renowned actually cardiopulmonary physiologist, who was commissioned by the US air force to start this research. And the reason was they wanted to test, the effects of, of isometric exercise on g. Force blackout. When planes were doing it. Doctor wyle became intrigued and for decades, ended up continuing this research to find out in to your point. Dave you talk about that sweet spot that Goldilocks not too hot. Not too cold. Just right. And the reality is, that's exactly the beauty behind. Zona is that you, you can squeeze as hard as you want, but that's not going to get you the effect and you cannot squeeze it all, and obviously, that's not going to get to the effect. But as ONA speaking to your second point is that was only does is it actually hold your grip in exactly the same position. One of the stories we tell people as they think they can just hold something at a static rate, and it's going to be okay. But the problem is most people if you tell them to squeeze to their maximum pressure, if you cover up any kind of display that lets them know what pressure they're squeezing eventually, they completely let go because they get distracted. I will say that when I use my zone. Plus, if you try to watch Netflix or something when you're doing it doesn't work. You have to look at this time. Tension because we're talking really real time feedback and the things that have changed my life, the most aside from just not eating garbage is things like heart rate, variability training, where in real time. That's what the spacium harby look like a nervy back. That's what my brain waves are doing right now. And I mean I love my ordering and all, but waking up in the morning and saying, here's always slept over the last eight hours, that's valuable data, but it doesn't allow me to correct my sleep in real time, and what this is though is eight minutes of concentration or you're looking at a number and it goes up a little bit of it. And I also have little grip strength like the proper trainers that they use for the world grip champion stuff. And I know that my grammar. Yeah. And like my grip strength is of a digital one two, and it says that it's off the charts for an eighteen year old and I'm forty six so I know I have a strong grip, but it doesn't matter when use his own, it's not a strength issue. It's a control issue like how tightly can I can I vary? The window of it. And can I do it for two minutes? I find it to be challenging, but not muscle challenging. It's a discipline -veloping a skill. Yeah. Fascinating. It's kind of cool. And when you say they're widely spent literally two decades, almost perfecting the calibration, and what happens is that with using a device like this. It's not the maximum grip strength gives you the benefit. It's not the minimum grip strength gives you the benefit. It's that sweet spot right in the middle. And it's also it really it really depends on the rest periods. It depends on the precision of the pressure, and it depends on the intervals that you're doing it and all three of those factors play into how effective it's going to be widely spent decades trying to come up with the exact measurement. So for instance, you mentioned two minutes of therapy. Two minutes is perfect more than that doesn't have the effect because you need the rest in between the two minutes moved to the other hand, you're two minutes doing that. And to your point, you're talking about the pressure of the device. It must be held at the same pressure and you talk about biofeedback does Ona's beeping. And it's giving you a visual aid to tell you squeeze less. He's less squeeze more. He's more and it's Connor intuitive when using the device because seldom do you use something tells you to squeeze less because usually used somebody something telling you to do more do more? But to tell you to slow down or to grip less is counterintuitive, but it has to hold you in that exact exact range in order for you to get the benefit of the exercise, so as their correlation between controlling a blood pressure and having a good memory not kidding. Kill me. But yes, actually, there is actually one of the one of the things that is being studied right now is the connection between proper Brad Fleischer, and, and brain oxygenation, because many people have been diagnosed with you, not want to get into the claiming of medical things, but people who are who are showing signs of dementia, are, in fact, poorly oxygenated brain. Well, this is legit because this actually happened to family member. And it happens to huge numbers of older people who are diagnosed with Alzheimer's and senile, cognitive dementia. They have they have medication for high blood pressure. That push their blood pressure, too low. So there's no oxygen in their brain right? And Daniel Ayman's been on the show a couple times he looks at blood flow a hemodialysis. They call it in the brain, and even though I recovered my brain from all the toxic mold stuff that I had going on. It was actually chemically induced brain damage, I still have lower blood flow in the brain than average. But I have none of the damage remaining from that. So I do things to make sure my blood pressure is high enough because I don't have high blood pressure problems at all. And I do track it measure it. And it's, it's really fascinating that if we took all these people who are overmedicated, and don't have enough blood pressure and said, hey, let's get you off indication. Let's train you on how to control your own blood pressure. Do this by feedback for a while lit you learn how to do this. You won't need medication. But you'll have enough blood pressure that your body can regulate the way you're supposed to. And then it's like your brain just wakes up. Yeah. One of the things that the, you talk about the, the juxtaposition between using the medical device like Zona as opposed to using blood pressure medication. What pressure medication in no way helps your body regulate itself, but pressure medication is doing the regulation. It's itself. It's actually doing it. It's forcing the number lower, which means too much blood pressure, medication can actually put you into even Dayton even more dangerous territory than the blood pressure that you started the medication to treat using something like the applause. Your body's not naturally, going to push it self too low and was Ona's doing as its training your body to get it self to a standard, so that it knows how to regulate itself, we get people who ask, you know regularly. I it, what are the side effects is there is a side effect using it can be dangerous to use it. And the real only side effect that we have ever been able to determine which is in fact, not a side effect at all is people who are currently taking blood pressure medication. And then they decide to use the device to get a more natural solution to get away from pharmacology. They use the device. They don't adjust their blood pressure medication or the use it without their physicians knowledge and the problem is they end up because their body is used the word healing. They don't need the blood pressure medication anymore. But they're still taking it potentially at levels that are now dangerous so people using the device who are on medication. Should keep that regulated? They should make sure that they're that. They're taking their blood pressure. Regularly, and consulting physician because they will likely have to stop or reduce the amount of medication. They're taking now this isn't a infomercial kind of thing. But I'm sure people who are looking listening to this right now are saying what is this thing cost? We're talking few hundred bucks. I don't actually remember what the causes. Yeah. The cost of the devices five hundred ninety nine dollars. As vailable on our, our website, prescription required. No prescription required. It's available to the consumer, and we actually have a ninety day money back guarantee not to sound like an infomercial. But I say that because in all of our clinical studies the device actually was affected for over ninety percent of the people who used it. I have recommended this dozens and dozens and dozens of times to friends and people consulting with about their health people. Run into you know what if you've been battling this blood pressure problem, this is going to cost less than medication for a year for sure. And. That ninety percent number is in the studies that you showed me before the show, it, it's a real thing, does it fully solve is just help. With ninety percent of people, it depends on the person like anybody again, that the device is not solving a problem devices. Training your body to solve its own problem? An insult doing as I said ninety percent effectiveness of people getting that reduction that they need. Some people are completely medication freeze, and people go right back into normal ranges, but the device itself is going to definitely increase reduction statistic that you may find interesting Davis. The biggest thing for most people's houses diet exercise. Right. It's not a secret, most people feel like they're, you know, whatever's happening, and for, for a lot of conditions diet, and exercise fixes things giving you an example, doing aerobic, exercise, aerobic, exercise, which is, you know, your bicycling you're running you're doing something like that. It's the first line of defense that most doctors will give somebody to, you know, you've been diagnosed with high blood pressure feels like a death sentence. Cut salt out as you said, and, you know, start going to the gym more that will probably change your blood pressure. If you're doing it regularly by about five percent, oops, not enough five percent reduction. So, so if you're if you're at a one forty five percent reduction, you're, you're probably now somewhere around like a one thirty three one thirty two you're still in the danger zone. You pulled yourself down, but not clearly enough to make that big of a difference. That's not a lifestyle difference, doing anaerobic exercise, as we mentioned that the Zona if you just gripped something at maximum strength, or just did a squat went halfway down and held it planks so on so forth, probably two to three percent change in blood pressure reduction using the Zona because of the exact prescription again. Wylie's beautiful science dead. Exact. Description, actually, we find that most people using it in about can be as little as four but can be as high as eight so somewhere in that six weeks, weeks average, they notice an average of ten to fifteen percent reduction it's incredible. So that's more than died. An exercise about three times, more potentially two to three times the diner size what blood pressure medications do blood pressure? Medications can take it down further. The problem is, again, as you mentioned earlier, you're setting up all these questions here. The with dia next Cise. You can take down that five percent medication can take down even further the problem is now you're living on synthetic medication. That comes with it often the side effects worse than the blood pressure, it self, and that, that's what we deal with all the time is people who are on blood pressure medication. And can't stand being on it because it's, it's chronic cough. It's dry mouth. It's dizziness it's all of the other things that are coming along with the blood pressure, medication for, for some elderly people. So it's often just the fear of leaving the house without it. Do you have a price on your head from any big pharmaceutical companies for like a years worth of blood pressure medication? Or just the price had, like they're like these guys are selling device that could potentially disrupt the multibillion dollar market for drugs that people have to take for the rest of their lives and do the handgun under your bed and full hat. Or are you worried? I mean are there. Black helicopters understood that question. I'm listening to the questions. Did you ever price in your head of Mike? Why are you buying the company? Got it. The deal is are you are you worried? I mean, seriously anytime a device come to comes on your FDA cleared, and all that sort of medical device, but even so like you're going up against the multibillion dollar. Pharmaceutical giants in one of their sweet spot cash cow things like oh yeah. We've got some huge percentage of the population on blood pressure. Medications that don't work very well, because half the population still doesn't have their blood pressure controlled. And you're saying this by at once last, I checked anyway, it's been a couple years since I looked the, there's no subscription like monthly cloud-based, you buy the thing and you use as long as you want forever, and it's all just included. Right. It is. Okay. Good. So that's not the monthly subscription go to the pharmacy. You know, flow through your insurance company, all that kind of stuff. I mean, are they just pissed at you blood pressure? Forty six point eight billion dollars a year is what high blood pressure costs Americans alone, not not talking worldwide. Just the US forty six point eight billion dollars is considered the cost of high blood pressure, and that's copays on medications. That's missed today's at work that strokes heart attacks. And so one is there a price on my head? No one's actually showed me a wanted poster yet, but I can't imagine that there will be pharmaceutical companies, not happy with this to that point. I will say that Zona has recently. And you know, this, you've been affiliated with the company for years. You've known about us. We've been on. Show before then just full disclosure. They're a USA carrying the very, very early days of bulletproof acquis called upgraded self on the website. I used to carry zone on like this, one of those pieces of biohacking, your ever heard of that's based on jet fighter pilot medical stuff like it's just cool. And I don't think we carried anymore. I remember. Yeah. But it's, it's still. It's just it's a cool thing. So that that's a little affiliation. We're talking about. But other than that, we say -ffiliated like there's no other commercial stuff going. Oh, no. I just meant you, you know the company you've known for a long time. The but we've actually really forced mainstream as of last year and I'm super excited about it. And then zone has been like this off the radar science that no one's quote unquote heard of. And then all of a sudden we've really taken the taken taken the juices, and gone full strength. We started actually advertising national television last year. I'm sure you've seen that around full disclosure. We're all over the place. You know we've got. Tons of physician backgrounds. In fact, we just had an endorsement by Dr Phil recently butyl, who got involved with fun and fill. Learn about us because Travis stork, who is actually, the host of the TV show. The doctors of the doctors. Worldwide syndication on that show. Travis store who's the host there. He's actually are the face of our brand. He's our spokesperson for the brand. So you talking some pretty big names willing to put themselves out there to, to promote this type of science because their goal is that they want their patients. They want that people in general to live healthier, lives to live longer lives. And that's not a medication ridden life. It's hovered people to really understand what it takes for, for someone like Travis stork to build reductive Melville step up to do this. I mean, I I've been on a few shows like that, even on doctor's interviewed Dr Oz on Bill radio about, you know, the, the incredibly high standard that's required for any doctor, but specifically someone who's on TV to be able to stand up and endorse something, how people actually misused doctors, names, and all that. But you actually have a fully legal that it signed sealed delivered proper. Agreement in place, which means that it's subject to level scrutiny that most people would not even believe well and, and doctors like that because they're in the public light it, it's not some doctor clinic down the road who's willing to to recommend it. I mean, these are people that have their careers, potentially at stake for making these types of things. And it's like not not that there's any legal implication behind it. But you're talking about I remember talking with Travis initially. When I went through getting him to be a spokesperson for the product. He went through this with a fine tooth comb because his name was going on nothing that had not already been vetted and went through the research read all of the studies himself. In fact, his mom has high blood pressure. And the first thing we did was sent a unit to his mom, and he waited, the entire period, just to see if it had impact on his mom before he was willing to do anything and it's like for him, the idea that here's a here's a doctor whose mother suffers with condition, and he could. Scribe her anything he wanted by writing the prescription himself, and he sends her a medical device to try to find solution to me, that was he was are kind of people. It's exactly I it to my dad and I definitely will talk about things. I don't know if this works, but generally, I'm gonna put something on the website, like, I, I wanna I wanna have a good degree of rigor there. So I read all the studies and said, yeah, this, this is based on fundamental real science and observed effects someone did the work and it's amazing because a lot of the stuff that we do it up grade labs. I'm pretty sure we have this at upgrade labs of at retail. And if you're listening to this upgrade labs is a company that spun out of bulletproof that has this experience, you go in LA today, the Beverly Hilton, and in Santa Monica, and we have a whole variety of devices that are based on this idea that you can have more control of your own biology. And we have this own plus there, because I wanted people to understand, you can get. To enough hours worth of cardio in about twenty one minutes. If the pressure, the timing, the speed the cadence the recovery are all carefully designed based on data to give you much bigger results. And this is exactly the same line of thinking act with the same, and it's huge. This -rupt of though the thing that gives me the most pleasure is, is disrupting things like breaking big dumb things. And when I hear there's tens of billions of dollars getting poured away, on blood pressure medication in there is a useful blood pressure medication for some people. No problems, but it's just way over prescribed and even the latest numbers, they opened the show with about this new low number I, pardon me wonders is that real. Or is that a marketing ploy to sell more drugs, because they did that with cholesterol numbers awhile back keep lowering the safe, upper limit for cholesterol? Even though probably two dozen people have been on the show of gone through hard science in two of my books saying total cholesterol is not a useful number inflammation. A useful number. All right. Let's, let's talk a little bit more about what happens when you do this type of training of your vascular system, one of the things that a lot of more experienced by hackers or the doctors listen to the show will know about is nitric oxide. And this is a signaling molecule that we really didn't know mattered very much until recently, and it has to do with vacillation. Does training your vascular system with biofeedback the way Zona does does have any effect on your nitric oxide level, love that the nitric oxide levels? Interesting that people take subst the supplements. Nonstop, try to increase nitric oxide lakes, beat is the most common one. Right. I mean, personally, I take pick notching all in L arginine and, and other stuff. But everything that you're taking for that is actually triggering the production of nitric oxide is not actually delivering nitric oxide, your body using like Zona. To use that ice. Oh, metric exercise in use that phrase, a lot, the ice exercise found in his own is actually triggers. The production of nitric oxide levels, even beyond what, what supplements and stuff do. Nitric oxide is linked to so many different benefits in the body when it's at, at higher levels, obviously people want this elevated and it's everything from from workout recovery. It is actually helps an it again. I'll say them speaking to the claims of nitric oxide, not Zona, but actually helps reverse symptoms of diabetes. It actually lowers blood pressure decreases overall body pain, like it's ridiculous. What nitric oxide overcomes? One of the things that's really fun about one of the claims that we don't make about Zona, but I would love to. But no clinical studies were there. Zona increases nitric oxide production, nitric oxide production, actually. Has the ability to cure erectile dysfunction. It actually has the ability to stop migraine headaches. You know, it's not a medical claim Moore would morning would there you go. Zona can create morning would there you go? Regulate that there you go, put that on an FDA clearance. No. But what, what I'm saying to not be too crass about things is that when you do things to increase nitric oxide, whether it's supplements, whether it's actually all the things that do that. And when I say increase that you can measure it with saliva on the little little saliva. Test strip for nitric oxide. So this is a real data point when you do that. When you wake up in the morning and you're a guy you wake up more, like a teenager and less like an older person. And that's pretty darn predictable. There said that without being too crass. That's good. That's good. By the way, if you guys are looking for crass just listened to my upset about gains wave because sometimes. You just have to talk about your junk in some certain way amazing to quote, one of our board members. I want to make the claim Zona makes you Woody Woody. It was a research proposition. You could do clinical trials on if it increases unedu- gawk side. What about for women, though? What would affect women all of the exact same same issues because you're talking about nitric oxide, which is a vase odiaum later. So it increases blood flow. So any place you want blood flow to be positive, obviously, that's going to go into effect that the vascular health issue at the vascular health, but I'm going to add to that and say that the nitric oxide levels, increase Vasil dilation, which obviously blood flow is non restricted in environment of as dilation. But it also is acts like a muscle relaxer in that area as well. So not only is the, the veins opening wider. Particularly resistance vessels, which haven't been given a lot of credibility in or not credibility. But a lot of notoriety, if you will, in medical research, and we're now finding even that's a, a big deal. It's not just the veins. Now, just the arteries, but it's actually, the resistance vessels that connect them together, are, are even more important. But nevertheless. It's not just blood flow. It's also letting the muscle relax around the, the blood flow. So it's kind of like a double whammy in their less muscle constriction. What else happens with nitric oxide? So there's sexual side effects, there's more pump. If you're exercising a you're gonna see your veins pump out. You're gonna get better. Blood, the muscles. What else does the, the researching up suggest nitric oxide can do not necessarily own, even though you may influence nitric oxide. You're not claiming that those affects our yours until their clinical trials, but what other things nitric oxide do that might be useful. My recommendation is, is a quick web, search would find all of that for you. Because every site says something different the reality is, is that nitric oxide is, I said, it's obviously muscle pump is obviously vase, oh, dilation, which leads to cardiovascular health. It's as I mentioned, the upset in reversal of symptoms of diabetes. It's, it's any number of things relating. To that my favorite one as I was saying, is that increased Vasil dilation, and decreased muscle constriction? Actually resolves migraines. That's actually a proven effect, which is absolutely amazing to me that there's something that you can do to, to interrupt migraines. Now, of course, we don't make that claim because we don't have the clinical study to support it, but all of the evidence that we have in our clinical studies actually leads to the same place. Very interesting. So for people who suffer from my grains, or have loved onto do they pretty much know that it has to do with changes in blood flow in the brain. That's triggering it. So it would follow that, if you could train your blood, your blood, vessel system, your circulation system, if you had to be more tightly controlled, maybe would have an effect could be worse could be better. But certainly, it's a plausible hypothesis until it's tested. All right. I, I like that thought I do know people whose migraines are made worse Bank reese's in nitric oxide, as well as better. And that's probably too much blood flow because it's not regulated. Well, so in that case probably had sustained increases they'd be fine. But I'm I'm I think that's a really interesting aspect there. What about just cognitive fitness in general, like is your brain gonna work better? If I have better, control of my circulatory system, boy, I think we were talking earlier about people who have actually been misdiagnosed with early onset dementia and stuff like that in the, the, the over regulation of blood pressure, medication people who are on, too, much blood pressure, medication blood pressure medication are getting getting side effects from at one of the side effects memory loss. One of the side effects is just decreased cognitive ability. And when we end up in a situation where we're able to get people off of those types of medications you notice that people are being as the personalities, almost restored, people are coming back to life in some ways, not literally coming back to life. But the fact is that the cognitive function has been restored where it hasn't been in a long time increase nitric oxide, as you're well aware being a bulletproof guy increases, blink brain oper-. Nation. You end up with higher cognitive functioning simply because increased nitric oxide levels in the brain. It almost becomes a rabbit trail of conversations when you're talking about the benefits of, of this type of thing. Do you notice anything happen? You mentioned that you take L arginine, which is, you know, acid that increases. Visit elation in nitric oxide and you take pig national, which is an extract of mislead pine bark that also can increase nitric oxide levels. In fact, I think we have pidgin all in one of the one of the bullet performance. But at least if we there, it made it in the final list, or it didn't. But I put it on the first list, anyway. It was a contender. Yeah. It was a contender if it didn't make it in the final. So these are useful well-studied supplements. You take those personally, do you notice an additive difference, whether or not you've done Trousdale just like personally. So if you're doing training of your vascular system, and then you add things that improve Lasko health. Is there a synergistic effect or one? Yeah. If I get off of doing supplements, let's say I travel, I don't take them with me. I will notice brain fog by the time I returned home. Even if you're training, your, your Zona, plus along the way, if I'm using Zona. No, because the same thing, but bear in mind, I will say Zona has effects. As I mentioned earlier that four to eight week window so taking a supplement is going to have a relatively rapid affect. Yeah. Using his own takes a little bit of time, because you need to you're building your health. It's like jumping on a treadmill once and expecting to lose weight, not the case. It needs the build up of that and using his own as much the same way. So all of the effects, the lowered blood pressure, the increased nitric oxide levels. All of that stuff does come over time. The good news is because all of those facts are long lasting. So you take that, when you don't take it for, you know, say you don't use Zona you go out of town and you don't take it with you. Your blood pressure is not going to spike while you're out of town, because your body's already been retrained. So if you don't jump on the treadmill this afternoon, you're not gonna gain ten pounds over time. You're going to end up going back to that, same, you know, and tropic state that your body was in four you started using it. But nevertheless, it's not an overnight solution nor is in an overnight. Detriment if you don't. Okay. So it's a slow response curve. You said it for six to eight weeks to people stop after that, or they see the results in their blood pressure, if they're going to see results, but then how do you have to retrain? Or how do you continue again? I'll use the treadmill example and say that that's probably the most common one that I use that is if you're on a treadmill, six to eight week, you start noticing a change in your body, and it's not the same change that you'll learn notice with Zona, but you try to lose weight great. You go out you exercise, six day weeks. You start noticing the journey levels up. You start noticing that much like that, same treadmill if you stepped off of it, you don't fall out of shape tomorrow. But if you stopped using it for the next six months, you're going to notice, physiological, deterioration, same thing with zone, so you're going to use it for that for two eight weeks until you get your real initial big push that ten to fifteen percent reduction is usually that, that a four weeks is the earliest that we normally find eight weeks as the very latest so that sick. Week window is usually usually the sweet spot. People are going to see that, that reduction. And sometimes it literally happens overnight, David's the craziest thing like people can use it for four weeks, five weeks. They call us they say I'm just not noticing the results and we begged them stick with it. Like will extend your money back guarantee period. So that you feel better about using it for another two weeks, and we'll get it return phone call saying, oh my gosh. My blood pressure literally just dropped twenty points last week. Like I'm back in the normal zone. And it just happens overnight like that, because the body makes the change and again, I use weight loss as an example, because a lot of people can relate to that. And it's like it's like hitting that plateau, and you can't lose a pound no matter what you do, and then all of a sudden, you lose three pounds one morning when you jump on the scale it's that same kind of feeling when you notice that reduction go down, but much like that treadmill, you're not going to stop using his own, so throughout your entire life using those own as a as a. I'll say a supplement to a healthy life over time. Don't stop using it. If it takes about eight minutes, a day to do this. I'm assuming that, that I already know because it has different user levels, but multiple people can share one of these in household, or something like that. It's twelve twelve minutes per day, twelve along, along with the device. The device, actually stores all of the data for two users. Okay. And the same thing goes, we actually have a website, where people can actually plug the device into their computer and by USB, it actually uploads all of their results, so to users can use the device to users can use the website portal. It's fantastic for people that are going to their doctor in showing their doctor the results, and they're tracking all their numbers. But knowing your numbers is the first is the first issue for most people to overcome its it's figure out what they are now start tracking because what gets measured gets accomplished. So that basically cuts the cost. And if you were to share it with more than two people, which are probably not supposed to it'd be even less. So I think this falls within the realm of affordable by hacking technology. Just looking at how do you make this happen in millions of households and guys just just the idea that blood pressure medications themselves average eleven hundred dollars a year? Okay, doing all right. Someone someone taking blood pressure, one person, taking blood pressure, medications spends on average eleven hundred dollars per year just pain for the medication. Unbelievable. And that's matter that copays with insurance, and everything Levin hundred dollars versus a one time purchase and the eleven hundred dollars never comes back. All right. I've got one more question for you. And this has to do with my new book on anti-ageing that I'd just finished the draft of its coming out in, in a little while. It's how given that you have your Zona plus your hacking your blood pressure. You take supplements. You know, you're clearly a healthy guy. You're in shape. Helen, you think you're gonna live personally shooting for one twenty one twenty and, and I laughed, because when I turned forty years old, you know, people who what's it feel like being forty and I would say, it's just weird to think that third of my life is over already. Nice. I would get some. You know, some bath challenged people would actually take a while to get that, but yeah, personally, I see no reason why. People can't be living, well beyond what people expect life expectancy to be. But the you know that better than anybody, right? Yeah. I told people that forty five was my twenty fifth percent birthday. That's amazing. And like like you said. Like you got some pushback like you know, it's okay to push back because something's going to happen. One of them is that you'll die before me, and I won't make to one eighty and, and that's okay. Or you'll die before me, and I make it to eighty and that's okay too, because you're not taking care of yourself. Like maybe we could talk about ever does what we can to feel really good right now. Live a long time. And then we'll both live as long as we're going to. That's good table stakes people don't believe. That's all there you go. All right. What is the website for your magic the magic device? Well, we're easily easily found at Zona dot com, Dave and that's for here in the United States because we're here in the US right now, but I know you're a resident in Canada Canadian listeners can find us at Zona health dot CA, and on either of those sites. Our team is actually put together a coupon code for any of your listeners. You talk about the affordability factor. And although we've already proven that it's a affordable. Bio hack anyone using coupon code Dave. Immediately gets a seventy five dollar coupon. Anyways, so seventy five bucks off the price of price unit, Zona dot com, coupon code Dave saves us seventy five dollars through, which is a nice give for listeners. Thank you for that. Sure. And this is really good science. I looked at the dozen research pieces that exist around this that we talked about head of the show, and I think if you're, you're listening to this, you have high blood pressure, talk to your doctor, but this is a cool device, and it's one of the gives you a little bit more control without needing any chemicals at all. So I think totally meets the bar as an epic and amazing bio hack. Plus, it came out of the air force. How cold is really cool. Cool thing to Davis is, we mentioned earlier is someone wants to try it, try it. And we know many different things that money back guarantee. Got a ninety day money back guarantee. And what's the sad part, I'll tell you this is the saddest thing when we get returns back, I see a box come down. In our hallway. And it just makes me cringe because the majority of the returns that comes to us, or people who never even tried it. It's still shrink, wrapping because the device, actually keeps track of all the usage. So when return comes back, we go look, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like the people who returning it are the people who, who didn't didn't even fry it. They got it and decided they just, you know, buyer's remorse or whatever setting it's like it's it comes out of you have to lose like Zona plus jelly Donut Zona plus series Donut. You know, some people are gonna choose the jelly Donut. They really are. They really are. And they really got some mindset thing in energetic thing. But if you're gonna do the work, well it's eight minutes of actual work in four minutes arrest. The twelve minutes a day, Minnesota rate, it seems like investment to me. So it's been a supporter of, of this tax idea this type of biohacking for going on seven years now. It's been a long time. Yeah, your audience is just such a perfectly primed audience for a product like this, though. It's, it's to me, it's the ultimate bio hack. It's, it's absolutely crazy. Yeah. If. If this is something that's was looking to, to hack. I just I fully agree. And if you'd have no issues, your blood pressure, this probably isn't the one for you. But so many people have this, or it's in your family. So that's why going for my dad, and it's it, it has my full endorsement here because it's real, so thanks for bringing it out fighting the good fight and just talking about this. It is a disruptor appreciate the time. David. I'm hoping that price. And my head's not accurate. If you like today's episode you know what to do. Go to zone dot com, use code Dave save yourself, seventy five bucks. You have a ninety day money back guarantee. And I consider this device for yourself. If you're dealing with hacking, your own blood pressure, or for a family member, if not this show is meant to give back that's a beautiful gift that zones providing there for you. But mostly, I just want you to have control of your biology, and high blood pressure, just sucks and so many different levels. Let's stop it.

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164: Psychological Attributes For Winning. "Psychology For The Fighting Man"

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164: Psychological Attributes For Winning. "Psychology For The Fighting Man"

"This is Jaakko podcast number one sixty four with echo Charles in me, Jaakko Willink bead evening echo. Good evening. I crept ahead a few feet and raise carefully to look over the Bank crack, a rifle was thrust up and fired only inches from hails head the bullets split his scalp and the concussion broke his eardrums bloodstream, Dover his face blinding him and I helped get him back to Stewart then I pitched a second bomb close in. Meanwhile, mcentire had not halted he had rushed on and Sam, bro. And I half raised as we hurried after him a machine gun blazed at us from a spot on the right and we dove into the mud crash slam the Stokes was at work. But it's shells dropped short falling almost in our path. We rose again as the maximum stopped firing. Then a flaming white-hot instant oblivion. When I recovered consciousness, my head was splitting with pain and a terrible nauseates seized my stomach the stoke shell had dropped beside me throwing me bodily into the mud and Sam bro was stunned as well. He was lying in slime and feeling his limbs certain that he was wounded all around us was a fright full clamour of guns and bombs and rifle shots. I heard mcentire's voice shouting five rounds rapid than it stopped. But my nose was bleeding, and I was too busy to stand. We crawled towards the sound then halted there was a great plunging in the Merck and to dim figures came toward us puffing and blowing tugging at something. They were Germans big men and a machine gun and tripod they placed it just in front of us in one man gang that along cartridge belt. I pulled the pin from my last bomb and heaved the missile account of to it burst. Just beneath the tripod one man went down like a huge tree. The other struck. Gould a moment before he still. We went by them, making sure the gun was ruined. And in new made crater found in man of a company with his wrist almost severed we bandaged him quickly and send him back and were rising to go on. When Clark came stumbling through the mud and yelled at us. Come on give them. His shout was cut off. He pitched dead in front of us. The man scurried by with a stretcher, and we went over to the Bank where we could see men moving it was Lewis gunner, and he said mcentire been shot through the stomach and was dying. They got him on the old stretcher, but he went on the to the shore Bank in front and found old Bill. Mickey and Johnson crouched. They're shooting at a German gun with that streaked sparks not more than thirty yards away. Sam bro had bombs with him. And he and I heard them the bursts seems right seemed right on the gun and it was silenced. I stared at the other men on the Bank. They were all dead Melville and IRA and Jennings lying there together rifle in hand all shot through the head by one sweep of German gun old Bill had seen it and stayed there. After trying to pop the governor himself before dead man was poor old Sam. At rest at last. We looked around and found all the rest of the party had gone, but another fit of sickness seized me. And I could not move for a long time Sam, bro stayed with me. We did not go back. We had to crawl distance to avoid the machine gunfire. But the main fighting had shifted over to the left a light vapor was stealing over the ground making it harder to see and I stumbled over a body as we found the road Bank. It was the professor riddled with bullets dead. He was covered with mud had lost. His steel helmet. Had evidently got lost in the darkness, and there he lay after years of study and culture with glassy eyes and face up, turn to the sky, a smashed cog of the war machine with not a hope of burial accepting by chance shell and the missed thickened and enrolled suddenly over him. Night found us still crouched in our cover, and I got up and went around the shell holes until I found old Bill and Johnson. They told me that a relief was due and that there had been no orders, then a corporal from another platoon came and called to us to follow him. We were to go back to abras. The sixteenth battalion was relieving us. We went and met the incoming men by our old trench where we're joined by the remainder of the company and heard that big Glen had been killed that easy died gloriously in the fighting at the graph house. All that long. Drag back was a hideous nightmare. The track was worse than when we had come. And in the shelling was insistent incessant. We moved with infinite slowness every step of struggle, a tearing physical effort, and avast noise was all thundering rolling clamor that dole. Dr thinking Mercifully some smothering some of our agonized impressions of that night before. The November rains were chilling us. Freezing us our feet were always soggy. And we were almost despondent. All that time. We'd been out we had talked but little each man seemed busy with his own fought s- disinclined to speak to one another. There'd been too many of our friends killed the men we had been with for months. I found that McLeod and farmer had died in the mud Eggleston had been wounded and placed on a stretcher, and then he and his bearers were all blown to fragments by a big shell. And poor old Flynn had been killed. We seem to move in a days to do things as if we were autumn Atanas. When it grew dark. We moved again to form a new line the Hon spotted us and started shelling wall machine gunfire. Raked the ground up, and I were together as we started digging. I saw body just in front of us a big man with his equipment over his great coat catch. Hold of that. Stiff I said to Upham pull him back here. And we'll use them for part of our parapet. He stared at me, don't he yelled don't touch him. I sees the corpse myself rolling it over into place and Upham sprang from where he'd been speeding and commenced all new whole over to the right? A salvo of shells came and exploded wizened fragments were all around me. But I was not touched up and fell and was dead. When I reached him. There was a strange cry further on there was the sergeant major who should have gone to the depot the old original he insisted in coming in for one more trip and his jaw had been carried away by shrapnel. He died before morning. Two other men were down Johnson and Barron both wounded. The shelling continued all that night and the next day. We had dug deep V-shaped pits connecting some of them and their we crouched gray faces under muddy helmets red rimmed eyes staring dazed wondering our brains numbed beyond thinking by the incessant explosions. One of the new men pitched down between our shelter and the next one. He was pierced in a dozen places and one arm had been sheared from his body by shrapnel. Mickey sat beside me shuddering half stoned staring unseating his limbs twitching convulsively at each concussion. And that right. There is a couple of pages. Worth of reading of the book, and we go on written by a guy by the name of wheel bird who was a Canadian soldier that fought in World War One. In like, I said that's just a couple of pages from the book, but the pages go on and on and on just like that war did. And you you experience like the amount of people killed around him wounded around him. It's it's a horrific and it's hard to. Even fathom what that did to these men before during and after. Combat physically and mentally amd, psychologically. In the physical part. These are things that you can see you can see those wounds, you can understand them. But the psychological part is perhaps. The hardest to understand. Now, I say that this podcast is about human nature, and the reason it is. And the reason that I focus on human nature is because I in my opinion in order to lead people you have to understand people. You have to understand what their natures you have to understand human nature and a lot of human nature boils down to psychology. And I recently got a recommendation from a trooper out on the interwebs who recommended a book called psychology for the fighting, man. And this is a book that was first printed in nineteen forty three. And the book is it's an incredible book. It's filled with it. An immense amount of very useful information, and it's written as almost like a mental guide to the American military men that are getting ready to go fight, the Germans and the Japanese in World War Two, obviously nineteen forty-three. That's when it's written. This is right in the middle of World War Two. And even though the book is seventy five years old. The the information that's an at the knowledge that is contained inside of it can still be utilized today in any leadership situation that in fact, this book is so dense with information that you're going to split it into two separate podcasts. So that we can go into some more detail and non end up with a fourteen hour podcast. So. Let's kick it off going into this book as I said, the title of the book is psychology for the fighting man in the subtitle is what you should know about yourself and others. He kicks off part one a psychology and combat win the British Eighth Army pursued the retreating axis forces from Egypt through Libya, they found along route gr- they found along the route great quantities of abandoned equipment, some tanks and guns in perfect condition and gasoline for the tanks and ammunition for the guns, the physical material of a large access force was there, but it was useless to the access there were no men left to operate. It. You keep hearing it said that men cannot fight without weapons, but it is just a true that weapons cannot fight without men in army is men not any men at all for a crowd of men may only be a mob, but trained and equipped men what sort of equipment do men of an army need planes, tanks, guns and GPS mortars grenades rifles and bayonets. Camouflage and mess kits above all food and water. Everything that the ordinance and quartermaster can supply. But that is not all. No the men need morale. They need courage. They must have confidence in each other and the belief and ultimate victory. Who is the quartermaster who can issue stocks of courage and confidence yet these are essential weapons. So we'll start off with a great point. Where do you get your courage issued not from the quartermaster not from the supply guy? No, it's gotta come from somewhere else. And it is just as important part of winning a war as. Tanks planes bullets in bombs going on. And the army must have leaders to plenty of them CEO's and NCO's who supplies them. Besides leaders. It must have all sorts of special abilities and skills McKenna mechanical ability in in particular as needed in this new mechanized war ability to drive, trucks, pilot, ability mathematical, ability, cooking, ability, clerk, skills, lots and lots of abilities. You can't fight a war without them. The army needs efficiency to and efficiency means not only effective organization. There's also basic efficiency of the individual man, his strength and health his resistance to hardship and fatigue. His alertness, even when fatigued and despite freezing cold or exhausting heat toughness of body is a weapon indispensable to victory. This book is so straightforward. It's just so straightforward, and it doesn't pull any punches. It's it's one of the best things about this. And you can tell it's written. It's directed. It's directed for like the frontline grunt trooper that's who it's directed at and not just the infantry guy. But anybody in the army doing any job? In. It's it's refreshing to read something that's a straightforward is. This book is going on the army has a perpetual problem of psychological, logistics, a problem of the supply of motives and emotions of aptitudes and abilities of habits and wisdom. How does it get this mental materiel to the right places at the right time? That is what this book is about. So again, it's looking at the psychological aspect of warfare and saying, how do you how do you deliver these necessary supplies? We need courage. Right. We need abilities. We need emotions we need aptitudes. We need the right habits. How do you deliver those? Back to the book if the army cannot find a man with needed ability and effort is made to find one with an aptitude for being trained in that ability. And then it trains them all in part by teaching them the rules and the techniques in part by giving them practice. No troops are ready to go into combat until they're trading period is over and even then they are still green troops. The training is still going on in combat until finally the men are seasoned troops have learned how to meet the unexpected emergencies of war and have acquired that competence and confidence that is the basis of their courage. It is this human material that determines more than any other one thing whether an army will win or lose. Guns and Chow are essential to. But given equally of supply victory goes to the better troops troops. Composed of men who know their jobs and do them willingly and well men with initiative to act by themselves the train troops which make up the season two army. There are moreover fundamental differences between people that affect their ways of fighting and their abilities to fight these differences are not however due to blood as the Nazis teach but mostly do training tradition. Home life and other things that have a powerful effect on the character of men wars waged best by choosing methods of warfare best adapted to the nature of our own people and opposed to the natures of the enemy people's. American men have no particular love for killing for the most part. They hate killing. They think it is wrong sinful, ordinarily punishable by death. They do not look upon death as a beautiful glorious experience and most of them do not consider the military life as a suitable life work. War to American men is a dirty disagreeable business to be gotten over as soon as possible. So that we as a nation can get along with what we were happily engrossed in inventing producing growing making life, more useful and satisfying. Americans can stand a long hard pole. They look forward not back. They are slow to accept war will not go all out until they are attacked or are sure their ideals are in grave danger. But once they have started they do not stop or spare themselves until the goal of victory seems to them to be secure perhaps in nineteen nineteen. They made a mistake about having already made the world safer democracy, but they would not have stopped had. They thought they not fought themselves safe, nor will they stop now. They are not demoralized by temporary adversity or single defeats. So some good info, right? They're clearly trying to set the mental attitude of the American young American soldiers that are reading this. We we can stand the long hard pool if you mess with us we're gonna finish it. We're not demoralized by temporary adversity. You're single defeats. Doesn't matter. You wanna battle right on watch. This will be back. Continuing on. It has been said that wars inevitable that men are so made that they just have to fight. That is true. If you mean, they have to be aggressive that they need to have power and to use it that they are forever wanting to change things that are hard to change. So as that they can get on with better living. But the fact is that they do not have to fight each other and not many Americans agree with Hitler in thinking fighting other nations. A good thing for any nation, even when the ugliest ugly business ends in victory. There are other things than men in nations to fight. Men can fight calamity and disaster flood fire and famine with anger and zest and even fight nature to prevent disasters happening, they fight disease. Having for a century been waging effective war upon it with a numeral conquest which history now records they fight for freedom freedom to worship as they wish. Freedom to think and speak as they please freedom from want and poverty freedom from fear. That's the American and democratic philosophy. The reason why America is now at war every American ought to understand this to know why a nation that wants peace has to go to war. Because nobody likes murder you have to kill the murderers. You cannot get along without police and this war is a policing job. It's a large scale job because it is a total war. So clearly this book is is answering a lot of questions for an eighteen year old kid that's heading out to war. And maybe doesn't fully understand why. Or what's happening, and here, it is just lay out look, these people are bad. We're good. They need where the police of the world which sometimes in today's time people take that as a negative like we can't be the world police, but here he straight up the this is straight up saying, yes, we are the world police there's bad guys. We're going to go put him down. And it's interesting to nobody likes murder you have to kill murderers. That's the way. It's gotta be again. You know, these days we get so desensitized by media, right by movies and video games and music talking about killing in other. That's just the way we grow up. But in in these days, you had to kind of convince people that, hey, this is the way it's going to go down. You're going to go kill people. And that's okay. Total war is just what its name implies war on all fronts with all possible weapons. There's the home front as well. As all the battlefronts there. Also, the military front the economic front and the psychological front military, economic and psychological warfare makeup, total war. The Germans had that big idea. I but the Americans can fight the devil with his own fire and hotter. One and are doing it. The three kinds of warfare all related a military success may also be an economic victory if it results in the capture of great quantities of enemy material or blocks important supply routes to the enemy nation or it can be a psychological victory. If it lowers enemy morale helps to make soldiers expect defeat leads the enemy people to be ready to submit. I what I like about this idea of total war. Is when you apply it to other parts of your life. Right. If you apply it to business, and how you can't just focus on one aspect of business. You can't just focus on. Hey, we're going to go out and create something new guess what we got to create something new. We got sell it. We gotta figure out a way to get the cost to produce down. We gotta figure out how we're going to beat our competitors. We gotta figure out how we're gonna spread you. Gotta figure all these things. Total war in business in life. Total war, right. How do you win the total your life is war? Right. Your life is a war. You're fighting against all these things that are happening. And you're fighting to win your fight to be healthy. You're fighting to be financially stable, you're fighting to take care of your family in the best possible way. It's total war. And all these things you have to fight all these fronts at the same time all the time. That's why you can't sleep at night because it's total war in life. Yeah. So true. So like you and you can be like winning certain battles in life. You know, like, you have a great job making great money, but don't exercise it'd be for health or opposite or with this so many like just excellent battles. Absolutely. And you have to be paying attention to those you have to pay attention to all the fronts. Yeah. And there's a lot of times where people get focused on one front. You. It just doesn't it doesn't help. And even even like inside of a business. You'll get a business where they just focus on one thing. And they'll miss that. They're getting flanked. Yeah. Big time. Yeah. A lot of those times in this goes in life, obviously. That's what harm thinking of it. But I. Yeah. And in companies, right where you say, they focus so much on one thing. And then a lot of times is because that thing is like has a big payoff seems like dang I'm getting ahead huge time, especially like at like at home, right where let me just put it in just a few more hours of work. Right. A week from on too much three months in dang that paycheck comes in and you do sold. Well for the come you go to work. You're the hero kind of thing. And you're like dang, I'm getting ahead big time. But like something else will falter which won't show itself right away. You know, then when you like how you say kid flanked, you're like dang just like you got to get focused on all fronts continuing on an economic success of our own can lead to a military defeat of the enemy if it robs of him of essential supplies. It can become a psych. The logical victory. If it disheartens him in makes him readier to give in on the other hand. Of course, a military victory is useless. If it leads to a psychological defeat, the Japanese may have done a great Maeve done. Great military damage at Pearl Harbor, but it resulted in net loss to them because the effect of uniting the Americans in anger. Real defeats other than death are psychological in the end. That's pretty powerful real defeats other than death itself are just like a logic. Right. So they're just psychological. The enemy gives up surrenders. You have to kill the enemy or make him surrender. There isn't any other kind of victory. If he is financial you may just have to kill him Americans would rather just get him to surrender. So this is something that's so important to remember is that if you get beat its psychological, if you're still alive, it's just a psychological defeat, you just need to reframe it, and how are you going to come back and win next time? Psychological warfare is the newest arm in war. It is directed at opinion belief, confidence courage and the will to fight is both defensive and offense. If for tries to build up morale in our people and troops and to break down. The morale of the enemy the chief weapon of psychological warfare is propaganda. The radio in the press are used to bolster on the home front. The enemy is reached by newspapers and leaflets dropped from airplanes by shortwave radio. Propaganda in spite of what many people think is not necessarily dishonest. Truth is often the best propaganda, especially when it is fed to persons who are starving for it. The most effective propaganda. Must be founded on fact must start from some important event that actually happened and is known to be true than the propagandist. Interprets the event much as a good lawyer interprets evidence in favor of his client, or as the honest advertiser makes a claim for his product. This is another very important part with year to leadership position. How much of being a leader is making sure that the propaganda gets out there. Have you ever heard this expression? When someone says, you know, you're not really gonna telling your story if you've heard that before like a like a company they're out there trying to do great things, and they are they're working hard. And they're having some success. But nobody knows it. And I've when I work with companies, there's sometimes the companies, no one even inside the company's knows about the successes that they're having their failing to even spread the word within their own company. And so they think they're getting crushed by the by the competitors because they're not because the competitors guess with competitors. Great at propaganda every time the the the the competitor signs a new client. They put out a big linked in post. Right. Put it a big social media blast. Hey, which. Silence. It's great. Welcome aboard. Our newest client. Meanwhile, accompanies not doing that. So everyone inside the company doesn't know that we're signing all these new coins. So this idea of propaganda is is very important in warfare, and in leadership, and in business, and at the same time, you might have heard about this probably have, you know, I think it was Facebook, maybe Instagram I forget, but they did like some study where like it actually was linked to people getting depressed because of that. And it's this this con- that concept that you just said where you know, people. This is nothing new where where people they'll post just their highlights of their life. And then like me as just a normal person. I'm looking at everyone else's highlight. So their life thing. Dang. I don't believe that. Believe that I'm not traveling to Thailand, in know, all these places, and maybe I do, but I was like once last year and this so kind of that it's like propaganda, maybe purpose. Maybe not. But it's like, yeah. It's like the perception, you know, where have you know, your life in? It's like the highlights are like one out of thousand everyone else seemingly is one out of one just all highlights another sushi restaurant tonight. Girls and a Lamborghini. All that stuff, man. And it's like everyone there except me. Also, it's kind of that feeling back. Oh, Charles is not. Dot whatever, I'm not gonna fall for not going to fall. Yeah. No. It's true. It's true. And that stuff does it does build up. It does that's like propaganda in your own life. Now. Believe me, I'm not recommending that you do good propaganda on your heads to grabbed his show. And you know, I'm not saying that I'm saying don't believe the hype military psychology, psychological warfare is not however the only way which psychology contributes to success in combat. There are hundreds of others and soldiers and officers need to know what psychologists no, and what psychological methods can find out, for instance, soldiers need to understand men in order to understand themselves and their comrades and officers. Must learn how to interpret an influence the conduct of those for whom they are responsible. So this is exactly what I say old time. If you want to be a good leader. You gotta understand people. The soldier must know about human needs motives and emotions about fear. When it comes. What's do about it about anger when it is useful? When it makes trouble about zest, which is the core of good morale in a unit about anxiety and the sense of insecurity about indignation against the enemy. Any irritation against comrades about the relation of food and of sex to military life. He should know also of the relation of all these things to morale and thus learn how to avoid bad morale and to build up. Good morale. Clearly at this is not just true for combat. This is true for life. Every soldier ought to understand further. The problems of the mental adjustment of men I to the army later to combat. Why men feel insecure what makes for courage the signs of approaching breakdown how to prevent breakdown and what to do about it when it happens? The selection and training of leaders for the army has become one of the most important problems in the cycle in the psychology of war. Not enough is known about it. But what is known to some should be known to all the good leader. Is the man who builds up morale? How does he do it? What kind of man must? He be. If he is a poor leader, Ken, he become a better one. And there are mobs and panics to be understood to civilian mobs and panics may be the concern of the soldier when the populace gets mixed up with the fighting, or when the enemies home flunk begins to break panics may moreover occur in well disciplined troops. If all the conditions for panic are present, what are these conditions? Why are seasoned troops panicked less than green troops? The army place each man with his talents where he will be used to his best advantage. But each individual must know how to get the most out of his talents. The primitive fact of combat is that man pushes when he encounters an obstacle to the achievement of his desire pushes more. If blocked gets angry of still forwarded and then fights. But to this fighting he eventually brings all of the knowledge and skill that has made him supreme among the animals. He fights by learning. How to use his eyes at night in learning. How to arrange a system that will let him here inside of an airplane. He fights by selecting good leaders and good truck drivers, he fights by understanding human nature in order to build up. Good morale that will over come fear. He fights by saying the right thing in the right way to the right people at the right time, and sometimes that is propaganda. He uses every resource of science end intelligence, including psychology. He has to for this is total war. I love to get about that about every aspect of your life is to be prepared for total war, which by the way, you're in you. You know, you might not be in combat at this moment in time. But you're fighting you're fighting all the time, and you have to bring every asset every resource that you have available. You have to bring it to fight because this is total war. Now, the book goes into some pretty big sections right here. One of them's site is a weapon or site as a weapon, and and then hearing as a tool, and it literally talks about how to see better things you can do to make your night-vision better. How to preserve your night vision? How to see sharper just all those kind of things he talks about camouflage and stuff real tactical stuff. And then it talks about hearing. And what you need to hear how you can adjust your hearing and how to listen sharply, and I'm going to go. I'm not going to talk about the site piece. But I'm going to talk about the noise. There's some interesting points about knows loud sounds, especially when they are sudden and strange are natural causes of fear. Many sounds terrifying. A sudden loud noise like the discharge of a pistol will make anyone blink and jump. It will start with a limb. This is true even of well trained men who pry. Themselves on their familiarity with firearms. It is an instantaneous response that may be all over before. The I can see it shows up, however in slow motion pictures seasoned troops get so that they don't appear to pay any particular attention to the din of battle even horses will stand still under the rising. Roar of a diving bomber will only toss ahead. Impatiently the experience soldier on the other hand needs first to become adapted to the noises of war. He must be exposed to them in training as much as possible after the noise become familiar. It's loudness will not affect him so greatly in combat control over noise makes it less fearful, you don't mind the noise of gunfire so much as you are the one who is doing the shooting. So talking about brick getting people used to the the loud noises that you're gonna come up against. And this is something that we used to do. I don't even know if guys do. Anymore because it's probably not that smart, but we used to do immediate action drills with no ear protection in so get used to shooting guns and having all that just massively loud noise. And we wouldn't do it every time, but we would do several rounds with no ear protection. This jury. Now in current times. Guys, have these nice headsets that have noise their noise canceling headset. So they're actually pretty awesome. So it's not that big of a deal anymore. But back in the day, they wanted to make sure hey, you gotta realize how this is going to be if you get in a firefight. If you get your first firefighting, you've never had an m sixty machine gun two feet away from your ear getting crazy laying down a hundred round belts. It'll be a shock to your system. So that's and not to mention there. Hugging grenades, simulators at you in in our Tillery, simulators, there's explosions going off because that's what that's they're trying to get used to that scenario. Men. Subjected to the excessive noise of war over a long period, sometimes build up an over sensitiveness to any sort of loud sharp report. They are in the state of a man with a hangover. The Bank of a door will make them jump allowed. Shout is painful. The noise of a truck exhaust is frightening in the hospitals where men are convalescing from bad cases of these Warner's the dropping of a pan will startle award full of sleeping men. So violently that the jerk will bring them out of their sleep and even out of their beds and onto the floor. But the state of nerves the linked in their minds with the noise and produced by the noise is due mainly to more disturbing things that have become associated with the noise noises just as loud and originally just as distressing as the noises of war, if they are only just a part of everyday work or fun are tolerated men become used to the din of a boiler factory on pneumatic drill. It may deafen them. But it does not demoralize them. So that's pretty obvious, right? What's what's making these noises horrible to us because every time a bomb goes off, you see your friends get blown up and killed in your free that the same things can happen to you. Whereas a pneumatic drill just making a bunch of noise or you're not that worried about it. This was a again, there's a lot of real basic information. You can imagine this book being issued to frontline troops. But I had called this one out here to sooner or later. Most soldiers have the experience of getting lost in heavy wards or jungled as possible. Get lost a few yards. Just a few yards off the trail. It gives a man a peculiar helpless feel like you're so accustomed all your life to knowing where you are. And who you are and about what time it is that the feeling of not knowing one of these things comes as a great shock. Ended it goes on. It's as a compasses a big help. And was like, yeah. Yes. It is. Indeed, here's another real, captain obvious. It is best to have a map in your pocket when you get lost. If you can't have one that you ought to see one before you get into strange country. So that's real obvious to. The more soldier knows about maps the better equipped for combat duty his training in how to read them. And what to look for on them. If he keeps practicing it should enable him to find himself if he ever gets lost at age radios from and the reason I called that part out is figure out all the situations that you get in. Where you have the opportunity to gather some intelligence before you go into them. You know, if you're going for a job interview walk. He knew about that company. If you're going to meet with a client, you've never met with before how much information can you have you with these days, you can Google someone you get all kinds of information. You go to their linked in account. You can find out where they went to school. And what sport they play or whatever you go to their Facebook page, you go to their give pull up articles that were written about him, and there's all kinds of intelligence, you can gather. There's no reason to go into a meeting blind anymore without knowing the terrain that you're getting into without understanding the culture that you're going into this no reason for it. Next work in the army is much more than just shouldering a rifle and doing long foot marches soldiers work at several hundred different kinds of fighting jobs, and at even more kinds of jobs some directly related to combat and some not which can be filled with men already trained for them or men who have the necessary aptitude for learning one of the jobs quickly all leaders have the responsibility for seeing that the right man gets the right job. And when mistakes are made that misfits are transferred. And this thing is this where this book gets pretty politically incorrect. It's basically saying look, some people can't do this jobs, and some people aren't fit for these jobs, and some people aren't fit for these other jobs. Continuing on thousands know, how to drive a tractor how to repair technician system. Others can weld castings repair watches other timing instruments or road transits keep accounts carve carcasses of beef develop folk photographs the army needs many men who can do these things the British found that out in the first World War at first they neglected to save their specialists, they sent to the front professional men, engineers and men in skilled trades. Many were killed in the early months of the war later the need for them in special post behind the line became acute. So yeah, this is all about forming an army of civilians that have skills and saying, oh, you've been a truck driver for whatever for six years in the civilian sector. Guess what you're gonna do for us. You're gonna drive a truck. Oh, you're a butcher guess what we need butchers and right on down the line, and you can imagine World War One probably. Them being very shortsighted on how long that war was going to ask them like, oh, oh, you're a mechanic, cool. We're going to send you the front with everyone else. And you're gonna die like everyone else. And you look up in six months or year, and they don't have the necessary support logistically to carry on the war. How soldiers differ men differ? Just as much inability to learn different sorts of duties as they do in size of feet in height or in weight. Some are as much as three times as able as others. I like to hey, some people are just three times more capable than you. That's the way it is most, of course, are just about average. Some men cannot learn a a three figure telephone number by hearing at once some can learn as many as nine figures, the average is around six or seven have you ever heard that before have you heard that the reason our numbers are seven digits long because that's about the average that humid can memorize thing. No, I haven't. And that's very interesting. I heard that could possibly be. Not bro. Science but urban myths could it be it could be it's true. I like, it was awesome. Actually, will you. Well, you have your doctorate in Bros. So I'm working on. Yes. Yes. You did. You do your undergrad in urban legend. Back to the book some men starting from scratch can learn in eight weeks to receive and send radio code at sixteen words per minute. It takes others twenty two weeks. Some men used to handling certain types of machinery can learn to handle certain kinds of weapons much faster than others. So the problem is to understand in measure aptitude aptitude is potential skill the capacity for learning to do something quickly and accurately when given the chance to learn both speed in accuracy are important in learning a soldier needs to learn rapidly. But also to be accurate at what he's learned and men different differ from one to another in both ways. For one thing men differ greatly in the speed with which they learned some aviation. Cadets console solo after four hours of instruction. Others are not allowed to so low even after fourteen hours here, the quick learners are urgently needed slow learners tie up the training, fate planes too long. Besides quick learning might mean, a shorter war. Yet. The army cannot do without the slow learners manpower is needed, and there are many military jobs, which require other qualities than speed of learning jobs, which the slow learners will prefer to have. Men also differ in speed and accuracy of reaction. The average driver requires from one half to three quarters of a second to put on the brakes after the stop light goes red yet some can apply the brakes in three tenths of a second. Others us up to a whole second. These are important differences for riflemen and machine gunners as well. As for truck drivers every tenth of a second counts in battle. There were see that thing when they were. They were doing like the speed tests for Conor McGregor. And he was he was the fastest athlete. They had tested speed like reaction kind of like reaction time. Like when you see something you touch a button, or whatever, you know, they have these little tests setup. Then apparently McGregor was the fastest athlete that they had tested. Yeah. It is. It is crazy because you know, some of these baseball players, and I think I think that would be the that would be the fastest hand eye coordination scene. Yeah. Yeah. My head seems like it. I mean because those balls come quick hit. Yeah. Yeah. There's a test that you can do when we're kids how they do, you know in science class, and you hold one guy who signed gone on real. You know, the you get a ruler. Oh, yeah. And the drop at one the teacher holds it. And then you put he puts it on your between your fingers right at the at the zero Mark young Johnson. And how quick you can how far do your fingers have to be opened? I don't know. Because it seems like that could be an advantage. Listen, I grandfather used to do this who is called the dollar drop. Okay. And he would fall dollar lengthwise only to make it kind of aero dynamic. And if you can catch the dollar, you could you could keep it sounds pretty easy, doesn't it? Yes, sir. It does some people can't catch that dollar. Yes. Yes. So you'd think if you're you know, how you're saying. You just said how far your fingers thing is for the experiment is long as you designate kind of that. Or even I ball, it might be a millimeter different. But you know, usually, it's like there's always those people that are looking for that edge. I should go. Yes. Because I'm thinking I would be figuring out how to do that with the dollar drop. Right. I'd get my fingers here. ES that makes sense when you know, the job has more stakes for sure stakes even polls out that five. You're really the guy in science class wanted to win though. Even though it wasn't a competition. Of course, it's a competition. So. In. I I don't know. I'm pretty sure that that stuff can be trained as well. And that's one thing that, you know, we when you're bringing your kids up you bring them up and you make them play multiple different sports. You don't think some too young because they'd become they don't they don't develop the broader athletic skills. So you're supposed to get him involved in a bunch of different sports. And those kids will end up, even if you took one kidding you say, oh, you're just gonna do hundred percent football this whole life, and you took another kid, and you did multiple sports. And but you did like a little bit more of a focus on football. The chances are the kid that did multiple sports, but focused on football is gonna do better than the kid the justed football from what I understand. I'm sure there's some, bro. Science people out there that will. Object to my statement makes sense. You know, where's raw more broadly athletic can and pre. I'd imagine you'd be able to learn quicker to because your body is used to move in different ways rather than just the way. Because what are you doing things are a little bit different out on the football field. Right. And it was a little situations that can unfold that if you're athletically adept at adapting to various situations, you're gonna be better off just you. Going on men differ. Also in the speed and accuracy of perceiving one clerk can check in five minutes. Accompany roster that takes another man twenty minutes. Some men conceal white target in the dark at four hundred yards away to others. It is invisible. At two hundred yards range, finders differ in their ability to tell the distances of different objects. When the job is seeing you must choose the best Sears. So that's interesting because you could have someone that has bad reactions. See really well. And if you ever read sure at some point, we'll do Chuck Yeager bucket here matter of fact, Chuck Yeager is on Twitter, if you know that but Chuck Yeager on Twitter and gone back and forth. A couple of times people have said come on the podcast, but in his podcast, or he his book Yeager he just had incredible vision like he'd be flying in formation and he could see the enemy way before anyone else. Could see the enemy. He'd be like up bogeys at four o'clock, boom, we go. And because his eyesight was apparently just amazing that used to be a big deal for fighter pilots. I think it's less of a big deal. Now, could you got radar and in all that? So not as big of a deal as it used to be just your is against the enemies is. Back to the book. There is however much more to a good soldier than speed and accuracy with which he learns acts and perceives every man has interests likes and dislikes these determine in part what he will do. Well, and how fast he will improve a man's interest. Fringed for instance, usually determine what he will do with what he learns mere exposure to trading never made a skilled soldier. It is the interested man who remembers and prophets by his training and is ready to apply it to new situations. Right. So so true. How true it's just so true. So true. We don't and what I think is really important about this from a business perspective is what they're basically saying is put the right people in the right jobs. That's the overall concept put the right people in the right jobs. That's what you need to do. If you've got someone that might not be super talented. But there's they very interested that probably the better higher than someone. That's just got a bunch of town, but doesn't care. In fact, I'll go and say they straight up are the better higher. Yeah. And then they'll they'll wind up learning like so quick and your specific thing, you know, you're supposed to their into it. Yeah. Someone is not into it. That's that's bad. Oh, like someone who has like a major like degree in, you know, his resumes entre degree, but like, hey, I'm really into whatever it is that you're doing like, for instance, you like making videos urine to it right for if you didn't like making if you got no enjoyment from it. Think of how horrible it would be trying to get you to do. It mean, it's pretty hard to get you to do video right now. And actually like doing it. Yeah. Or you know, like like politics, right? You know, how like some people? They liked politics. Some people don't. So you get someone who likes politics and the news comes on. They're going to be all up in their learning. Everything what's going on like today. You know, then someone who's not they like all the news on let me watch. Well, that's an interesting. I thought you were gonna say that people that are independent 'cause I actually that's one case where I would disagree because a lot of times people that really like politics, you don't want them in politics because they're just political machines. Right. You want a normal person just a normal everyday. You don't want the person? That's like, you know, what happened to you happened to be precedent? I'm going to be in charge. They like that person. You don't be president. Look, I don't really want to do this. Yeah. In I think the that's different all hungry for the political life there. They're they're arrogant person that thinks that they should be in charge of it. It's like, no. Yeah. I'm gonna watch on TV like so like me, if if I watch I don't know like, okay. So. Well, that's kind of a good example because I'm interested in Hawaii. So, you know, I'm gonna like, but like okay so on so I make videos, right? Some some visual effects, whatever there's a YouTube channel called video co-pilot. Right. So all it's mainly just to to'real 's on how to do stuff. That's all it is really. So when that like if a new deal comes out or something man, I'm all up in there all up in it. But you don't care, but you're gonna watch that thing, and you're gonna you're gonna you're not even going to click on it, not even close unless I was like, I wonder if I'm gonna take echoes job or okay? Okay. Case in point. I'm not interested. Right. So I could barely even get through one of those videos where I'd be like an I'm going to go over here and do burp. He's. Yeah. Exactly. So you're going to click on that. If I say, hey, Jaakko, click on this video this'll make you know, your body, and your horizon, I dunno whatever click on this video and just watch the whole thing watch it five times, actually bell. When you're done watching it five times, it's about everything went over your head. Don't care you don't even care. So it vice from this book is put people that are interested in the job truly inherently interested, and they're going to do better work, even than maybe someone that's more talented than than they are. Back to the book other personal differences besides interests and likes and dislikes are important, especially for some military tasks one may feel one man may feel completely at ease in the transparent cage in which Bombrdier must've sit while another ordinarily dexterous is so upset in the exposed position that the pupils of his eyes dilate his fingers fumble. And he cannot manipulate the bombsite properly. So there you go. You got a guy that's probably a better, maybe he has quicker reaction times. But he's just scared to be inside the turret. To equally wise officers may not be equally. Good leaders. One is at ease with his men talking with them freely getting their slant on matters of importance and giving his orders and directions readily, the other, although he wants his men to like him and respond alertly and willingly to him as a leader cannot bring himself to feel free and confident with them and open up with them in a way to gain their confidence and liking in turn the first is, of course, the better leader. So there you go that's straight up. Hey, this person if you're more comfortable talking to your troops. They're going to sense that and you're going to be better than someone. That's comfortable talking to the troops. Indeed, leadership is the quality that the army most needs all advancement brings with it responsibility. And responsibility for the conduct of others requires the ship. That's interesting because what's interesting about that. Is that is? It goes into this later on talking about the we probably won't cover until the next podcast on this book. But talking about the, you know, our leaders born or made, and this is clearly leaning a little bit towards born clearly, which I agree with. I think leaders are born and made yet, but it feels like a lot of times when people use expression are they born whether it be leaders, whether it be whatever, you know, he's a natural whatever. I get the expression in understand in grieve course. But technically like if you say if you leaders made or born born, meaning like, he wasn't trained at a very specific point to be a leader. He brought to the trading or to the position just a bunch of like talent or whatever. But he probably learned that through his life. What he was exposed to what he was interested. But there are certain aptitudes that people have and those played in back if you have somebody that's really articulate they're gonna make a better writer than someone. That's not even someone they they learned that through sort of life. There's no possibly, but some of it maybe has like a shorter tongue or something because has to be genetic is what I'm saying. I don't know if there's an articulate gene, there is an articulate gene for sure, gene, it's your brain. And how much capacity do you have the process words quickly assemble them together into sentences in put them out into comprehendible statement. How can you do that? How well can you do that? But, you know, born knowing how to I guess yet process the. Yeah, you have what? Yeah. That's it. What processor what size Prosser? Do you have in your in your brain? You've got the hold four eighty six. You got the new Pentium whatever probably like ten years old. You know, it's like I seven or I nine or have. No anyway. But no because there's people who don't talk fast or that's. Yeah. That's. You're able to assemble their okay, here's another one. And this one's and I've talked about these before. But the ability to look at complex problems and simplify them. Sure. Some of that is learned some people just are born with it. Some people are in the streets. Yeah. I think. My my I'm drawing back on my Bruce science background. And I I do think I believe I'm under. I believe it's a belief that you get it from like life like, you're. Experience t if you take someone that had a twin brother, and and you one of them would be more apt at some things than the other one. There's gotta be some things that you are better at than your brother naturally and some things that your brother's better at the new I don't know of any. But the I mean put it this way all the differences that we have I feel like I can map it back to why. Because just being second born I was born little bit smaller to now looking like a bigger. I don't wanna be special people would compare to you know, like growing up with a twin brother. They always compare all he's tall skinny one. Yes. Or whatever. Not no more are there. Anyway, the point is I'm not saying, I'm not saying, you're I think you you're probably right. Of course. But. I think it's mostly learnt, bro. People have a certain genetic cognitive capacity without question. You does not even debatable. This would not debate. So what we're talking about is the ability to take that cognitive capacity and steer it towards the articulation of language. If you have more cognitive capacity, you'll be able to articulate language better. And there's probably little modules inside the brain that are genetic that have even more capacity for the grabbing and assembling of linguistic patterns together where they flow off the tongue rapidly and sensibly, and there's gotta be part of your brain. That's better at that just genetically now, of course, if you spend a lot of time in that arena, you will get better at it overtime. But there's gotta be some just like you have exa. Mount of fast twitch, muscle and echo. Charles. Like, how hard did you work at your vertical jump? Did. You guys test that in football. Yes. Okay. What was the highest vertical jump? You over had thirty nine and a half. Okay. That's pretty good. Right. Is there a whether people on your team that worked harder than you? If not harder that never got to thirty nine and a half inches. Probably. Yes, actually. Yes. Affirmative because I didn't really work. Exactly. I knew this is a loaded question. So yes, sir. So somewhat. There was someone on your team that they they worked and they trained and they were doing jumps Watson Gary in lunges and split squads. And they were just trying to get that vertical jump up. They were wearing member those shoes with the was on them. Get them hops want to get them, hops. So this guy had all those things and you got to thirty two inches. Right. He was bombed. Yeah. But but that's what I'm saying. Yes, he has a certain genetic capability. There's physical capabilities that are genetic. And there's some some mental capabilities that our genetic and both of them have a max capacity, and that dude with the the toe shoes for vertical jump improvement that warm awesome. There was a kid one time. He lived across the street from me. He, you know, he's young. He was this is when I was probably twenty five in the back in the day. But this kid train all some. Our long with those shoes. And he was what he wanted to do is dunk a basketball, and he did it. He did it eventually, but he worked hard. There's some people that don't even have to work aren't thinking dot com. Got it. Yeah. Yemen. My friend cake nuts who I mentioned can cake nuts. Don't know or taught some some different attribute. Now, he was he always had like kind of like big. It's called big muscle bellies like the party or muscle. Anyway, he had kind of big muscles genetic. He was a thinner guy. But and he was always cut. So even into adulthood, and he wouldn't have to watch his diet. And you know, meanwhile, if like a normal person, if you watch your diet like a lot then you can get that cut. You get their all totally can but cake nuts. He's just cruising straight, you know. And then he'd like the bunch weights over the summer, I gave them by the way, he lists. But he comes back, and he's just huge still cut, by the way. So it's like dang. But you know, he just has it like, the very go genetic genetic differences, and that's what they're talking about this book. And I think sometimes people's attitude nowadays is like, well, you know, you can do whatever you want. What's no, actually, you should find out? What's good for you? Yeah. That's what usual. Look for you like I was a radio, man. You know, it's like radioman why? Because I was like smart, but I was big enough to carry a radio, right? If the small guys into seal platoon, they become the point man 'cause you don't have to carry any extra weight, generally. So you're so right. So right and consider like major industries, and we'll just say sports, right? Where it's like it's pretty clear when you win you win when you lose you lose sports. Right. So get the established sports. With very very few. Exceptions is going to be the case you're gonna get like, okay football because there's a bunch of positions that do very different things. The tight end. He's going to be a certain Bill generally for sure the quarterback you're gonna be a certain build in receiver. He's gonna be certain build the center and the line built like you grab a guy from online guard. Right. One of the guys in the line. You put him on defense as a cornerback or something who needs literally opposite out here know what you do that to what happened? So no, no, no just train them train them for ten years. No negative, probably make them better. But you make them successful. Exactly. Right. So it's like it's such a clear example, just because there's more on the line. So if you're a youngster you should look at your attributes and see number one where attributes fit, and then what your interests are sometimes people get their super interested. And so they just try for it. Anyways, you know. And that's that's cool. There's there's some people that were get really good at a sport. But they're still not good enough. To go pro because I don't have the genetic. And gifts that's are needed yet. And that's why it's so prevalent in such a like big deal when you do find like the super rare guy where it's like, hey, he's not really genetically gifted, but he works so hard. That he made it in the and that's like a guy in basketball who's like not tall not fast. You know like the Nazis. Yeah. But he was pews pretty fast though. And he could jump. But he's small. Yes. You know? What's interesting was talking to Dallas who's the coach of the goals, the San Diego goals hyphen team? But a few years ago, not very long the hockey had become all these big giant guys, you know, six four six five two hundred sixty pounds. He's big monster guys. And that's where everyone had started going in that direction. All the teams getting bigger makers. You guys are massive they could hit hard. And then recently it started going back again two guys that were smaller and quicker and could move faster. So that's an interesting evolution. But you can look at it. You could look at it, you know, four years ago, or wherever it was I don't really know but ten years ago or whatever when if you were five eleven year like oh, man, I'm not big enough to play pro hockey. But some kids were like, you know, what I'm five eleven be fast faster than everyone. Okay. Cool and they made it and now they're in the game accent. Yeah, I'm not as familiar with like the witness. Recipes of being a good hockey player or team as far as the physical attributes. But like football us that that example, because the the jobs of each position are so different. I meant not each position, but like the differences between at cornerback wide receiver, and then the difference between that and like all linemen. Oh, yeah. So like basketball is different. Even though they have different positions. Whereas everyone had sworn on generally speaking. Of course exceptions. But everyone's going to be tall. No one's going to be like slow if you're like slow. It's like that's a big deal. You know? So everyone's a little bit more uniform hockey seem the same way yet more uniform hockey's more uniform seal platoon is not uniform because you've got a big sixty gunner pay gunner an, but but you know, what not I'll pay gunners big because you can just be a tough one hundred sixty two pound pig. Just king. Go get his can get grinded out point man's usually a little bit smaller. But that's, but when you get to a seal team guys looking you're like, oh, you're you're five seven year one hundred and forty pounds year to be appointment. That's the way most of the time sometimes you get input platoon. And they're like we already got a point man, dude, you're going to carry a pig. Here you go buck up and started doing so squats. All right personality. It takes more than brains to make a good soldier it takes guts. It takes endurance. It takes a willingness to do hard work. It takes a keen interest in doing the job. Well, psychologists wish they could give the army right now. A method of measuring these important pack personality assets tests that would be as accurate and reliable as a test for measuring the ability to do arithmetic or aptitude for learning radio code. They can't some tests have been tried many have been found useless few are promising. You know, it's interesting. I just thought of this. I went to communication schools, the the seal communication school, and we had to learn Morris code, and there was probably twenty guys in my calms course, and we all had to learn more code, and this was very clear that some people were better at it than others. Because you had we didn't have to send very fast we, but we had to be able to receive like a certain amount of groups. It's called the group. It's five five letters in a group, and they would just come out your DVD AM. You had to be able to receive and write down what the letters were with no mistakes. But what's interesting is? We all showed up no one knew anymore code when we showed up, and there was a complete bell curve when we got done. You don't some guys? We're really good at it naturally. Some guys were horrible at it. And it took every ounce of mental power for them to figure out and get to be able to pass the test and had a crazy guy that was teaching the com school and someone would be like, hey chief. Why do we have to learn, you know, Morris code since no one uses it anymore. He hit he'd say in the event of a nuclear holocaust, Morse code is the only thing that's to be punching through the ion fear. And of course, I was eighteen years old. And I was like all right. Right. My interest was peak in a nuclear holocaust. I'm going to be on the Jeff radio hammer and out Morris code to the troops. Let them know. What's up? That makes stupid. I was gonna meet. So what you don't agree that. Now, if there's a nuclear holocaust, I wouldn't be alive will be dead. But you, you know, what if you're one of the only survives survivors like me. But it's so that man that's interesting that that we're you'd have to. I mean, that's my little thing that you just said where you have to it's less about putting it out. It's more about receiving 'cause worse code. You. Don't communicate necessarily pickers. When he's home to. Here's the reasoning behind it if you wanna send Morse code, you can send it that pay. People are just going to sit there and take letters that your son. Did right? They're not saying hurry up. Right. So you can send it whatever pace you want. But receiving and you got to be ready for you. What the minimum standard. I think want to say it was twenty groups of minute or something like that. You mean like not passing? And I forget I forget, but we were as good as a regular navy guy. Who would just be I don't even know what way faster we really knuckle draggers compared to them. They're like a land. We had to learn every day, and you had to do it every day until you test tested out and some people test it out in a few weeks. Some people didn't test out until the, you know, the last days, there's code gets do you. Do you still no more not really what if it came in at like? I would need to brush up on it brush up on it at which I need to do. Because if there is a nuclear holocaust. I wanna be no ready to get calms out h f calms them. Of course, you know. Yeah. Check. But it's such a clear example of and the guys it wasn't like on that bell curve of guys that were good and bad. It wasn't like everyone. That was a good seal was up at the top. And the guys that weren't good at Morse code where bad seals. No. It was like some of the guys were awesome guys, and they sucked it Morse code. And some guys will marginal guys, but they were great in Morse code. And there's a perfect example. Like, what do you do with that guy? Put them in making the radioman. You know? Yes, that's interesting. He kicked nets. He when he was going through. I think was but knows that is after buds. He he kept saying like, man, actually, my other friend. Jeremy was telling me that he's good at like pretty much everything. Yes. He's just really good at stuff except for. Picking locks struggling with like locks which was kind of a random thing to struggle with taking walks is is a difficult thing. And it's a it's more like playing a musical instrument that it is like doing technical skill where you do ABC, and you get D, no, picking locks is like you're gonna have a little art, and that a few for and I've been with guys I was okay at picking locks the guy that I learned from was he could walk up and put the, you know, walk up to a doorknob and stand not facing it and just stand there and just pick the lock open and seconds is pretty credible. Kind of like on that movie. The Italian job you ever watched that. Yes. A good one. So this girl, she was like the safecracker. Identify these there this group that so she was the safecracker guess what? Her dad was a law. Safe cracker. You know? So it was like a genetic thing. They're good, you know, soc the dad passed it to, you know, it's like genetic some people that's how you know. Maybe the learning to behavior as well that she the all right? All right going on back to the book. One trouble is that a man's person. This is important one trouble is that a man's personality changes in different situations. For instance, the man who is brave is a lion in the test room at a reception center may not be so brave when he gets into combat the man who is able to make quick decisions wisely. When things are quiet may go to pieces when he is distracted by machine gunfire. And do something that result in his own death or the death of others and difficult situations may the reverse effects on some men men who have never distinguished themselves in training camp may become fired with new spirit when going when the going gets tough astounding themselves and other men with what they can do in extreme emergency. So that's obviously important to. So even though, you know, someone you don't even know what you're going to get you might have somebody that freaks out when things go sideways. Next section training makes the soldier when men enter the army. They are told the importance in the fighting areas of taking cover from enemy fire in slit-trenches. This point is emphasized in books, lectures, training, films, demonstrations and exhibits by the time the soldier reaches the battlezone he has learned that he should take cover in a slit trench whenever he stops. That is one kind of learning in one way, it is the most useful kind with knowledge of how things should be done. And why they are important a soldiers equipped to act in new situations. And there is nothing that produces so many new situations as combat, but this kind of learning, unfortunately, does not always result in action a soldier may know perfectly. Well that he should dig a trench. He may have learned it from demonstrations exactly how to go digging it yet when the enemy planes. Come overhead. He may in his excitement. Forget that. What he was learned in such emergencies. He is more likely to. Act from habit than from reasoning and incense habit. Formation is a further stage of learning. It depends on practice experience and repetition no action to ever becomes automatic. By learning in words, how to perform it. But without actually practicing it. But by repetition the operation of machine or a rifle gets itself. Reduced a habit. So that it becomes almost entirely mechanical like walking, you do not have to think about putting your left foot forward after plenty of your right foot ahead that is because you've walked so much. You could do you could not get that way merely from listening to lectures on our walk if during maneuvers a soldier practices taking cover instantly whenever he sees her. Here's an air attack warning or plane coming close, he if he always throws himself flat. When he first here's the sun whistle of a shell or the city of bullets passes ears. These actions soon become second nature to him the particular walk. Winning sights and sounds become fixed as signals for media actions in real emergency. The soldier does not have to stop and think about what he should do. He just doesn't. Straightforward. That's why we roll in jujitsu. That's why Agni look joing his important. I get it. You gotta learn the move. But you gotta roll yet. Why end one could argue that drilling. It serves the same purpose. Just in a more like specific you got to do both. Yeah. Yeah. Now, if you drill correctly, but what you can do is sit there and get shown a move. Right, right. You gotta do the move and I used to do that too. And we'd have guys going through secrecy trading. And a lot of times, you know, instructor might wanna hear himself talk a lot in explain because you know, it's. Because you know, it's it's a pump to the ego when you get up there, and he's show people what which is how I did it Bertran. Did it like this is instructed that wants to hear myself talk. And meanwhile, they sit there and talk for twenty minutes the seal platoon coulda done three more runs through the kill house in twenty minutes. So I'll tell you what say what you gotta say say quick and let the boys go pulled that trigger. That's how we get good by doing. Back to the book, this sort of learning of minor importance in high school or college is basic in the army that is why drill is so important. Why discipline is so essential in war games? The soldier gets conditioned to all sites and sounds a battle in early trading. It may be possible. To simulate realistically, the noises of shells dive bombers, and bursting bombs by recordings reproduced by loudspeakers in advanced training, a soldier may be taught to lie flat on the ground while real bullets strike within a few feet close enough to cause Santa fall on the back of his neck. He knows he is safe as so long as he lies still. But if you'd get up and run he will be killed that is good training for combat a real bullet forms much better habits that a lecture about a bullet such thoroughly drilled habits enable the soldier to act when there is no time for fought they ensure that he will act correctly mechanically. Even when his mind is confused in thinking is almost impossible. But knowledge of the science of warfare and practice in solving novel military problems are important too because they enable the soldier to act wisely. In the thousands of unexpected emergencies that arise in battle habit is safer than fought for standardized axe, but it won't work for brand new problems. That is why we would train our guys in brand new problems all the time that way you get a protocol for how to how to handle brand new problems. You start to understand what you're gonna do. Oh, I don't know. What's happening? What do we do to step back to look around him and assess the situation I'm gonna come up with some possible solutions? I'm going to think about what the outcomes of those solutions are what the risks are. And then we're making decision. We're gonna move forward in that direction 'cause like confronting or dealing with new problems or on charted situations or whatever the skill of dealing with. That is like another skill. You'd think you're saying this like lasts protocol that people were asking about protocol protocol for handling new problems. What are you? And eventually you get good at because of lately obvious first thing that you do detach. You have to take a step back. You have to Turner and look around physically look around so detach. Look around make an assessment come up with possible solutions. Think about what the outcomes of those solutions might be and then pick the one that has the best possible outcome. Yes. Then like trained level ten training. The her perfect training on situation. ABCD FDA CIA elemental p and q 'cause you but you're going to get hit with z z hits. It's like dang can. Then you've totally just got a message from a guy that was in a police officer is in a big firefight with some of his guys, and he was literally said said I was thinking to myself. Okay. Covered move. Here's what we're gonna do. Prioritize next cute. He's going through. He's like, there was pretty awesome pre offered that to hear guys say, I could hear your voice saying cover move put down cover fire right now. It's going out. They were not twenty one minute firefight. Who's along law? That's a long firefight for especially for police officers. Back to the book drill for combat changes the recruit squad into an efficient fighting machine. Trading can convert an on organized civilian group into an organized unit with deadly power military, confident competence, moreover, strips war of its most repulsive, and paralyzing horrors. And knowledge takes from the enemy his most potent potent and effective wet weapon surprise drill combat training practice and discipline combined with the experience in war are things that make America's combat troops into seasoned troops. So even taking away the -bility for the enemy to surprise you the it's like we talked about before. If you if you try move on me into jitsu. I've never seen it before. There's a chance it's going to there's the best possible chance going to work as soon as I know what that move is. I mean, it then it's the chances of it working are a lot less a lot less. Significantly less. Why role playing is so important well in the business world very important because we can come at you with different things that are subordinate. It's going to say to you or even up the chain of command. If I had to go brief, my boss on something that we were pretty sure he didn't like, and I was like, okay echo, UB, the boss. You come at me with all the negatives about the plan. I've come up with and then we do that. So they want to go in to see these. We don't even one time. One time makes an incredible difference. Back to the book, and we need speed democracies. Always have to hurry up at the last minute. The enemy is always facing us ready trained, and there isn't much time. We must take advantage of every possible shortcut toward the goal of creating season. Troops troops armed with advocate. Adequate training. The first shortcut is an understanding of the few facts about how learning takes place. The most important requirement of learning is incentive men marching to drill. Reluctantly can no more be taught swiftly inefficiently than a Jeep can be talked to run on an empty tank. People need incentive. But fortunately for the army's instructors there is a power. There is a powerful motive. Furnished by the situation it self no false incentives. Need be thought up and provided. The enemy has attacked us. We're at war and no man wants to go out and face the that enemy unprepared. No American wants to see American soldiers killed needlessly in unmatched battle, no one wants to see our armies defeated and the Gestapo policing New York City. Success itself is reward to soldier. It makes him proud. This is when they start forgot to say that I'm skipping chunks of this book. But this is where he's talked about how the incentives that that up that a soldier can have his commander may commend him. But is usually enough if he sees that his CEO has noticed that he has done a good job. Good morale depends on such rewards approp-. Such a wards by his officers and approval from his own comrades in general reward is much more effective for learning then is punishment. This is good punishment. Excites. Resentment and tends to make the soldier anxious not to comply if he can get away with carelessness disobedience. That's if you could remember that right there this podcast is worthwhile. If you remember the fact that as a leader, if you're if you're constantly punishing people what you're doing is making them resentful and encouraging them to not comply and rebel against you. And try and get away with carelessness and disobedience thing about your kids do right because we do that with the kids better to what I told you, and they try they're trying to skate around you. Reward keeps his attention on the business in hand punishment tends to shift is attention from the task to his own troubles. The best kind of reward because it is most effective in learning is the glow of satisfaction that a man has when he knows he has done something correctly in. Well, it is clicked the most effective punishment is the surge of disgust that comes when he knows. He's missed the target. Thought knowns always good to have a reminder because it's natural to like with your kids. Whatever the when they do something wrong. It's because that'll stick out more in your mind. You know, if they do something, right, especially if it's not for the first time. It's like, oh, yeah. That's how you're supposed to do it. Right. Kind of thing. So it does stick out as you want. Mind to commend them. Encouragement reward kind of thing. Like, it's you know, it's more powerful. But then in your mind has kind of the teacher or whatever the the when they fail to miss the Mark, you know, especially if they do it like if they're having a hard time with something, you know, like to learn stuff you got to it over. And then they're having a hard time. I don't know swimming potty train on an whatever when they don't miss the Mark yet. So you it comes with frustration. Sometimes can't do that can't show that kind of thing. But even though it's like, the most readily available like reaction, you know, the when they fail so you so yet to be reminded of it helps I think it's an important point. Next. This is why the army has to has been right to reduce greatly the emphasis on close order drill in recent years in the light of modern knowledge, and in the view of modern conditions of warfare this drill conflicts the methods which must be used in battle so close Enbridge drill is or close. Order drill is win. You know you'd see marines army. They're like handing the rifle back ruined force and everything's all. It's like parade type stuff. That's what close order drill is. And they do more of it. And now he saying that they do less back to the book in the drill of the early basic training the whole emphasis on teaching is on teaching the soldier to respond to spoken commands when he yet when he goes into combat smoking spoken commands become impossible the human voices silent in the din of battle. If commands are given it all they must be given in the form of a nudge, a kick or an arm enhanced signal and in drill the soldier also forms the habit of acting shoulder. To shoulder with other men. He comes to rely on being in a group on doing what the other men do when they do it yet in combat such close. Order work would be suicidal men are on their own mental then on their own or in twos or threes. They must keep at a distance from each other both to do much of their fighting skillfully and to avoid making crowded targets for the enemies bombs shells or bullets. This means that an advanced training men. Must learn new habits which conflict some respects of the old. That's not good. The basic rule of learning is this do it right from the beginning. Because if you form wrong habits, you must unlearn them before you can learn what is right. The rule to follow is never prepare for combat by learning to act on a signal that cannot be given after combat has started. And then it talks about how to increase the speed of training. Here's some things to do to increase the speed of trading number one do things right. The first time number to keep constant checks that you know, immediately. Whether you are doing right or making a mistake. That's a good one. That's why like shooting steel so much viewer shot steel before. No as soon as you as soon as you pull the trigger in the shot goes, you know, if you hit it or not, and so it's completely gratified. Make no unnecessary motions. If you flourish your hands or putter around with your tools like it or not these profitless, motions will become habit to twenty everything is clean as you can do things in the same order and in the same way stick to this rule as far as possible. Avoid unnecessary leaked links in the chains of your learning. This was interesting while I'm not gonna read it because it went on about learning Morris code in. How how you can put these multiple different steps in to learn it when in fact, you could just say that noise means this letter, you don't have to translate it to the little things in your mind, or the sounds in your mind did Dasche dot the dot dot dash dash dash, you don't need to translate that your mind that sound means this letter, and you can get there quickly, right? Like, laying wide is language. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what are your fluid language? You don't think in English anymore? Yes. Yeah. I don't I've rarely got. But maybe got into that a little with a few parts of Espanol. But yeah, when I was in college, but I never carried on a conversation without translating when I was hearing, which is completely lame the clunky for sure. But you know, that's how it's part of the process thing. Yeah. Yeah. Number six aim at first for smoothness of performance rather than speed. Number seven be sure to understand what you are trying to do what final objective your Amy aiming at. That's important. People should really you whoever you're trading. These understanding what they're trying to do. I've found this an early jujitsu. There was a lot of lacking in. This were eating understand that getting the under hoax was a thing. It just understood like for this particular move, you put your arm here. I didn't understand. It was a whole thing. It would have been better. Be like, hey, you're always looking for the dogs. Makes sense. That's actually what dean taught me. He did. He is the one that talk me that too in this is when he was a blue belt. Number eight learn series of actions rather than single moves. That's good for jujitsu as well. You don't just wanna learn one. You wanna learn how all those three four five moves tied together. And how you set up the counters and how the counter leads to another trap. Nine keep on practicing ten over learn number eleven relax. Interestingly enough to- people to relax relax harder. Back to the book ways have been worked out to help. Cut down the time required to master subject to read an understanding Booker assignment to solve a problem or to memorize a rule or formula the man in the army, this is this is about studying, and I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna put this in there. But then all you people are students we will have a new job. They gotta learn something. And this is the most cold blooded way to talk about learning. The man in the army should not allow noise or other distractions or interruption to put them off as work. Working under such difficult. Circumstances is direct training for actual fighting his oh, so there's some annoying things going on when you're trying to you know, read a book. Cool. Learn to ignore them. In the field. The most in the field the most vital and difficult decisions. Must be made in the midst of the most violent distractions and under all sorts of physical. And mental strains the officer had to wait until he could be free of noise or disturbance before he could work out a problem or make a decision would be useless in the army, if he's used to it a certain amount of noise and confusion may actually stimulate the army man to do better thinking. If it's convenient a definite time of the day should be assigned for study the mind can be trained to be ready for work at certain hours. This happens as much the same way as you begin without. It'd be thinking about food or some other set time for the same reason, it might be desirable to have a certain place set aside for study, even if it is just your bunk in a noisy barracks or tent than the act of sitting down in that place. We'll immediately form habit. Put you in the proper frame of mind for mental work if you are lucky enough to have a desk or a quarter for your study. Don't spoil its value by using it for relaxation or on doping. But even if they are insistently disturbing insistently disturbing is nearly always possible to ignore distractions and get down to the business at hand the mind is an excellent Seve net. You can read the newspapers and never see the advertisements. You would hear a strange footsteps across the room yet never noticed the loud ticking of a Kach on your own table. The telegraph can sleep through the long continuous sounding of his instrument yet wake at once his own call when his own call comes in with the right, dots and dashes in the same way. It is possible to make yourself deaf and blind to all sorts of sights and sounds except those directly concerned with the problem being studied. Do you get annoyed with us when you're trying to do? Do you? Listen to music when you're doing work depends on the work. Yes. Interesting. At first it is fatigue ING to shut out distractions. You know, what I'm like, I was just as it was actually quite this is what I'm like. If I let something start to bother me that it just bothers me. And and for some reason if I just don't let it bother me, then it's fine. Like if my wife's in the other room with you know, my youngest daughter and they're playing a game, and they're making noise and having conversations about it. And whatever if I'm if I'm in the wrong mindset, if I don't do what this book is telling me to do which is you just shut it out. Like, a like a blackout blood Jit dude supposed to do all this annoys. Whatever does lock it up. Otherwise, it's what weakness otherwise it's major week this what about like snoring. Like, you know, you're like a roommate or what? But you know, I have we have a mutual friend that when we used to go to fights. We'd stay in one room and distorted would be pretty crazy, but I would normally sleep right through it. Yeah. If I know what's happening. It's weird. Like, my my crying kids when they were babies. They would make a wake up my wife, and my wife, and I went to sleep right through it. But if there's a noise outside the house. Or whatever I'm awake. And she says it's like the perfect comedy. I think the what the girl the mother and the crank child, I think that's a genetic thing. I think we're like a crying babies. I, you know, the genetic thing did you do that in Brussels halls Abreau sites. Eight does that make sense? Yes. It does. And is there a part of me because you know, when when we had small children, my wife didn't work. I did. So. That was her roles and respond my roles and responsibilities or go to the, you know, do my job during the day. And whatever I was in the navy her roles and responsibilities were take care of those kids. So she there's probably a huge part of that where I'm maybe in the beginning when the first baby was crying. And I was like, oh, what's that? And then eventually, I just said, oh, she's got it. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense got handled. Going back to book at first fatiguing shut up distractions. You actually make your muscles tense in your effort to attend to business later. You get so the things that distract you. No longer were you, you know, it's when I'm on an airplane near route screaming baby on an airplane. No factor to me is like no factor whatsoever. Whatever. Yeah. We talked about while we were on their. Okay, you brought it up to. I was like oh that screaming is that is that bothered. Yes. It doesn't bother me at all of still later they help and find that you miss them. If they disappear like the man who is startled when his clock stopped ticking or the radio at first it prevents you from studying. But if you keep it on continuously, you may get you cannot study without it having set the stage as well as possible for most effective study the next important preparations develop absorbing interest in the material to be mastered. It is not necessary to resort to self delivered mental pep talks enthusiasm grows naturally out of the realization that a study. He is important in reaching a desirable goal that will satisfy your curiosity, and we'll give you a chance to exercise some special talent. That funny how that could very well be a self pep talk that those wary HR use it. True. The chief aide to learning, however, is understanding when something makes sense when it all fits in with what you already know that it is easily filed away in the ready reference system of your memory where it can be recalled later at need learning without understanding is hard. You probably learned the multiplication tables that way learning with understanding may require no effort at all. So try to understand see relationships. If chapter eight depends on chapter two that you are uncertain about chapter to turn back. See the dependence work it out for yourself rather than read it again, if you learn a new scientific fact see whether you can find instances of it in your own experience. And then when you think, you know, it, but you think you know, what you've studied say it all over to yourself in your own words that tests understanding sometimes it gets clear for the first time as you. Explain it to yourself. And if you can't get it said to your own satisfaction than chances. Are you really do not understand it? And what you don't understand you won't. Remember has good information right there for the students of the world, which everyone should be. This is other good information solving problems. The method of bird's eye view, I applies to rapid problems solving as well. Haste too often tempts people to plunge into working out the first part of a problem or the easy parts before the entire problem is clearly in mind, this may result in a false. Start in needless work read, the whole problem through I use care and setting the problem down. If you are new at this particular sort of problem, don't try to take shortcuts in this a little extra time used on formulating, the problem in your mind or on paper can save a great deal of time in finding the solution. The next step is to rapidly review all possible methods of solving the problem until you find the the one that seems right. Then try that if that file fails to work, try another. That's the way you work with a mechanical puzzle. You should use the same method on technical problem. And this is the same exact thing that I was saying about how to solve a complex tactical scenario it take a step back. You look at what the promise you. Make sure you understand the whole problem. You just don't say, oh, we're getting shot from over. There were gonna change everything and focus on them because you're getting flanked or you're getting you're getting some recon by fire over there. So you take a step back. You analyze the situation you make sure you understand it to the best of your possible ability. And then you start saying, okay. What are my options? Once you figure out what your options are you quickly assess what would the results of those options be what's the upside? What's the downside? And then. You pick one of them nego go. It's so funny that exact thing not as complex, but that exact thing played itself out in my life here recently. So we've got a trampoline. Right. You know, one of those big ones the area kids, and you got to put it together. At the home. I do this thing where it would that that they said, I forget how the hell it said. The words they use in the book right there that you just said, but basically I looked at it. I didn't understand the whole thing. I didn't read the whole answer. I don't I looked at it. I was like, oh, I understand. See I see the problem, I'm dealing with here. So I did it and how that workout for bro. Three separate times. I went you know, how like at a certain point. You gotta make sure you gotta do something. It's like that kind. So I had to make sure that the springs were aligned in a certain way for a reason that's gonna come up late in the no. So I'm like, I get it. I'm smart put on all the whole thing. Everything took like an hour just over an hour to do it. So I keep going keep going keep going. Now. It's time to put up like the the little barriers don't fly trampoline. But the spring or the springs are not aligned with hooks there. So I can't put up barriers to bummer Rousson. It's a frigging bummer, and it happened again with another thing later actually having four times, but the fourth thing was just a little basketball hoop. And I was like it's not worth it. So I never put on the basketball. But if I were to under to read the whole thing read, the whole dang thing, and I wouldn't have be like three hours. Back to the book when you're stumped. Maybe because you have taken the wrong approach. The problem is easy to get into a rut in thinking, it is hard to shake yourself loose from one point of view and see a completely new this stuff is. So simply stated that it's you underestimate the power of what's being said right here. This stuff is lifesavers you tend to keep going back and repeating the same old kind of attack that has always failed. It's like feeling in the same. It's like it's like feeling in the same pocket. Six time six times when you've lost your cigarettes and cannot find them. Especially is it hard to try new methods when you are tired or nervous over your failure to get the right answer at such times. It is best to closure book in work on something else or do something outdoors with fresh air or even if you can afford the time taken nap when you come back to your problem. The the new approach may come to you in a flash. And from then on the work may go quickly and smoothly. Yeah. I I have to actually it's one of those things I'm pretty instinctive on a lot of things that I do in terms of things that I talk about in the way, I actually apply them in my life. I'm pretty good at most of most mugged. I'm not even I don't have to consciously. I can kind of look back and go. Yeah. I see what I did. And I'm pretty stoked on it. I can do that especially into jitsu. I can get into a rut and be like, oh, I'm just going to do this right here, and it should work because I've done it before. And it's going to work this time and off to constantly like, oh, you you're you're you're beating your head against the wall anymore. Yeah. And I'll have to do a different approach. Yeah. But I mean, that's it's kind of demonstrates humility. Because you've always like every time we rule in actually when I see you rolling with other like really good guys. It seems like you adapt in and make little changes way quicker than most people in for dang, sure. Way quicker than me. I feel like I'm all that. Like what you just said. I feel like that's just one hundred percent me. Yeah. Yeah. No. What I'm saying? But I'm sure I'm okay at it. I mean, I know him okay at it. But even me at this point. I'll be like, oh, he's not going to put his arm there. You've tried it three times in a row not working you need to do something else. Yeah. You can like recognize I recognize this when I'm beating my head up against the wall. And that's not a good. Feeling and it's a great feeling as soon as you do something different. Generally, you you may not get total success, but you won't get the same outcome the outcome was failing. Yeah. Which we don't like, no. How to make learning stick the two basic principles of learning? Anything our interest and participation? It is not true. That repetition alone is the basis of learning something. Well, a man who repeats an act again. And again with his mind only half of what he is do it was mind only half on what he's doing mainly learn it, but he will learn it neither quickly nor. Well, fortunately, doing the thing and practicing it usually reinforce a man's interest. So that there is really only one important principle interest at the bottom of learning. Active participation to secured by practice, lectures are used only when preliminary explanation at some length is needed or when men cannot be put through the work itself. You're not only told how to fire a rifle you are helped actually to do the fire, and you work out of doors in the way that you will later work in combat you do under instruction what later on. You're going to have to do in combat yourself. So you got to do these things interest is secured in a variety of way, number variety of ways number one. The personality of the instructor is important. It should be dynamic and for it should be a dynamic and forceful person. Who appreciates the fact that learning takes time and that some men are slower than others. He must stimulate his men to want to learn to instruction must finally become individual. There must be close contact between some instructor in every soldier. Three the relation of the learning to the problems of combat must always be stressed for. Although non essentials are omitted in army teaching it is important that the soldiers should understand the basic principles of what he is doing. If he is learning how to use a machine that he should know how the machine works. Critical. And number five the soldier must also have full knowledge of the purpose of what he learns of why he needs to know, it only with such knowledge can his interest be at the highest and only with such knowledge is he able to adapt what he has learned to different circumstances that arise in combat. So he's got to know why. It also says here that all army commanders, our leaders and teachers. So if you're a leader, you are a teacher. Talking a little bit here about officiency in training. The simplest kind of learning is to learn by trial and error. But this isn't the best the most efficient way it wastes too much time. And so the army never uses it except in solving original problems where one method after another may be tried or at least imagined so trial and error is never the best. Here's a good one. In battle a leader can give orders, but only brief ones sometimes by signal. The soldier receiving such an order must also see the battle situation right around him in deciding how to best carry out that order. Next how to speed up training? Will to learn. Soldiers common sense tells them any must learn how to fight before he meets the enemy number two interest. Number three disciplined. Soldiers are trained to realize the serious importance of things they are taught how much these things will mean in combat later on. Number four individual instruction. Number five experience of success. Army instructors try their best to see that. Each man. Does a thing. Right. The first time even by holding his hand and putting it through the correct movements. If necessary. Number six elimination of non essentials. You only supposed to be learning things that you actually need to know number seven all around attack every possible way. Of reaching the soldiers students mind is utilized. And then this instruction is immediately. Put to use in action on the job soldiers. Learn by doing so as far as possible instruction has kept practical and concrete, it structure puts too much emphasis on training men in the particular. Details of doing a job the soldier fails to get a clear understanding of the result aimed at it. Although men in training, although in training men in many different army jobs, adequate. Attention must be paid to the detailed steps to be taken to reach the final objective. The aim itself. Must also be made entirely clear to the soldier. This is Colin I trained little kids into jitsu. I'll be like you got to get around their legs. On that. And they'll figure out how to do it. And then when they get stumped. You teach them some actual technique. Otherwise, he's apt to become confused in battle if the situation changes, and he cannot follow the steps in exactly the way, he was taught in training. Efficiency in the army every ounce of the soldiers energy should be concentrated on the defeat of the enemy. Whenever he wastes his strength on any sort of activity that does not contribute to that. One end. It isn't affect casualty. Nowhere officiency more important than in combat there. Every man must work at the very peak of his powers. His is must see better than the enemies is his ears must hear better. He must think better on this victory depends. We weariness tired hands or is or nervous system. Anything that reduces? The soldiers efficiency at a critical moment in combat may cost him his life in may cost. The army a position and advance a battle. The enemy usually refuses to recognize the end of a work day. Nature often provides the only lighting bomb holes insure ventilation when a soldier gets into actual combat. What he is called upon to do seems to have no similarity at all to anything. He had ever done into civilian job. There is no routine in battle. No standardization. No, monotonous repetition. Each moment is a challenging new experience calling for new decisions and fresh insight. It is hard to see where the combat soldier can get any help at all from what he's learned about efficiency in a factory far from the battlezone. That is why a soldier in training. Must learn from the start to cut out useless roundabout movements. That take needless time seconds count. Into soldiers energy counts too. He can't afford to get worn down before his job is done. He must keep his speed and accuracy up to top notch performance any blundering combat may be fatal there. He may not be able to miss an a McGinn. He may never have another chance. Now, we get into this. Last little section that we're going to cover today. It's about fatigue sleep. That other enemy fatigue is a fifth column enemy that is always ready to infiltrate and attack. No man can stick at a job for long periods through the day and night and continue at top notch performance, especially if his job involves using a great deal of strength keeping alert and making accurate split-second decisions. So you allegedly need rest. I posted the other day sleep is the enemy and people get so it's a song by Danko Jones, integrates all true. But and you know, I kinda do feel that way because pretty easy just to fold to sleep, and you could spend all day. But I know you don't see it that way. But I kinda do sleep is enemy dislike food is the enemy year. If you start up. Making all like. No man could point just how long men can work and continue to do. Their best depends upon a great many different things. It depends first upon the man. It depends also on the type of work depends upon the conditions of the work upon the food eaten upon the rest of pain during the job upon worry and excitement and finally upon the necessity for action a man can run fast and long if death or the devil is behind him. He could fight hard for unbelievable lengths of time. If there can be no retreat or a victory is in sight. Most hazardous is the fatigue which comes from spurts of extreme effort. The greatest of which man is capable such supreme effort seldom if ever occurs in any job on the home front. It does occur in sport. It does occur. In battle spurred by the necessity necessity to extrordinary violence, a man may actually put out so much effort that he burns his body fuel at a rate eight times more than the normal rate. I have no idea where they got these numbers. Eight times that's a pretty accurate this. He cannot keep up more than a few minutes at a time. Otherwise, the sugar in his blood will fail will fall to a critically low level, his heart will fail his collapse or even death will follow. What do you think, bro? Science right there. I mean, then you make a good point where you. Got these. I don't know where he got those numbers for people get wrapped. Oh, yes. And and but you get robbed. Oh, you don't like f- fail on the moment. Right. Your heart doesn't fail. Well, it out. I the first thing I thought of is like in jujitsu m may where you get the adrenaline dump right because your your soul like. I mean through land. But like, it's these external circumstances. It's like you're on the stage. You know, usually, it's an inner competitions necessarily training. So you're on the stage. So it's win. It's do or die on onstage. Everyone's matter, but this is. Yes. But so I was just thinking like if this is true. Like when a guy gets gassed in the UFC, he just can't go on. But then what if somebody came in there with a machete and was like run to hack, you pieces, whether the guy would do the Rondo yet. But that's like another level of stress that's do or die. That's do or die out there on the UFC or whatever. And that's not accurate though. Certain that it's very inaccurate. But as an example, it feels like that's, you know, like, they're so, but they're using like probably eight times the energy, you know, 'cause they're so pumped up because of their onstage and stuff the nerves and all that stuff. So it's like that. You know, what's another weird one once home in gases, or whatever? And then they end up winning. And then they get that other surge from our celebration earth ten seconds ago. Why don't you put that effort out borough? Yeah. So that that proves I wrote about this in the field manual like sometimes you gotta use emotion. And sometimes you gotta use logic. Somebody's got any let that emotion come out yet. So, but all the thing is like that does sound funny and look funny if a guy like seems to be thirty gal. Then right. The literally the second he wins. He's he's running with his head there when you know. But all that is that's not like like, maybe a slacker there. So nothing like that. That's like just the stress and winning is like, I don't know if I'd call it a stress, but I guess this is bro. Science. I heard this from people this official thing, but you get like this boost of like hormones like testosterone and all these crazy hormones when you win the fight. So maybe to that. I was like man, it's not like it's controllable you have to actually be be confronted with the stimulus of winning for that free to get that boost, you know, just like you're confronted with the stimulus of the crowd to get that over. Dr scenario where using eight times the energy. Back to the book yet such fatigue. Fatigue. Does not always make you inefficient. If you have strong enough need or desire for action. I liked that right there. That's that machete scenario they introduce sometimes I wonder if I'm like perpetually in a state of like war. I wonder they'd my brain to cause some of those I can't sleep at all. I believe that. And because I want to get up. I'm not like that all the time. I mean, I do there is there's definitely days whereas sleep really soundly, but a lot of times. It's like, no it's not happening because I got stuff. I gotta do what war over here on my end over here. I understand. Yes. Mental work in a motion, strain are also fatiguing. But the man who gets tired from mental work or the strain of responsibility. In worry has additional problem. He may not consume the sugar in his blood. As does the man engaged in a violent physical worker. Combat his blood therefore gets outta balances, bro. Science coming out and the rest of sleep may not really restore. It's actually weird because it's bro sides. But it makes sense. Yes. All bro. Science kind of make sense pro science, right? It is good for the man who has been under this sort of strain to get some sort of physical exercise a swift game of tennis a long walk or attorney chopping wood. A second effective fatigue. Is the tired feeling? I think that's funny. This is nature's natural protection against over fatigue. When a man feels tired of becomes increasingly difficult for him to go on with his job. He is more in more eager for rest and sleep less and less able to spur himself onto go other mile, the best antidote for this feeling of tiredness is high morale, and the example of other men it is the man working alone. Who has the hardest job in combating his own desire to lie down and sleep. But the most important effective fatigue is the effected has on work when a man is tired. He doesn't he cannot do his very best. The amount of work is able to do falls off in the quality of his work suffers to he does not seat as well. Does not here as well. Nor is he so alert his movements. Baby come clumsy and bungling in loss of loss in efficiency strange as it may seem is not always related to feelings of fatigue. A man may feel very tired when he has not been working particularly hard, but is merely board or uninterested an interested in his work. Or when the ventilation is so bad that he gets dopey. This is important. I think on the other hand a man really close to exhaustion may be so excited by his work that he's unable to rest does not feel tired at all. So consider this in probably think about test for some yet. It is does what I think and consider this like injured. Right. Like right now, if I were to talk enough smack to you right now, like no matter how you feel you'd be tired. You'd be a one hour sleep. You could be doing all this stuff like before and whatever you'd be terrified talking smack. And I'd challenge you to rule outside. You'll probably do it. There's no problem. Yeah. It's on. But if I say, okay after this gold like run on a treadmill? It's easier. It's easier. The output. Well. Gonna walk away. Anyway, it's debatably easier to run on the treadmill? But man, you ever ran have you ever run? Like, I've been ready treadmill? Probably ten times in my whole life. Yeah. So, and you know, I used to get into the trip month. But man, if when you get when that boredom hits you brought you're like I can't run step on this Dempsey, even though I could easily go train right now with like a budget. Good guys. So it's like it's that exact thing when you get bored. Like just the littlest bit of TI is going to jam you up big time. But even if you're really fatigued, and you're doing something fun, you'll go. Oh, yeah. For sure that's why did you to such good exercise because it's fun. So true men differ considerably in the rate at which they get tired on the same job. They differ even more in their rates of recovery. After work is over there is almost no general rule as to what will happen, except that recovery is very rapid at first and slows down as the rest. The state is approached the fact. Means however that a lot of good can be got out of short rest and that many short rests are better than one long one. That makes sense to me take a little power nap. Students. Learn best if they did not do all running at once do not try and cram up before examinations but study a little then quit for a while for a day or two in industry efficiency is highest when rest pauses are raised at frequent intervals. I agree with that. Although some knows I just threw stuff. So it does not pay to overwork workers or soldiers some fatigue is unavoidable and much fatigue. Must be undergone in the process of toughening a soldier, but chronic fatigue is not to be found along the shortest road to victory. So don't get tired. Now, it gets real specific on sleep. You can stay up all night and keep awake. And this. I was surprised to how accurate this reflects me. I think you'll find it accurate as well. You can stay up all night and keep awake provided. You are active provided you keep using some muscles. At least the speaking muscles. You can March all night play poker. All night fight all night and talk all night, you will likely you will be likely to get terribly sleepy somewhere between zero three hundred zero six hundred. Unless you're doing something exciting or intensely interesting. But you can get through that provided you're active. So like, this would happen a lot you got on a patrol and you patrol night to get to a position. And then it's now three o'clock in the morning. And that's when you get tired four o'clock in the morning. You haven't gone it. That's when you get tired. Then this happens of do actually continue on that does not mean, however, that you can read or study all night using few muscles other than those of your is if you have to study all night, you may need to read out loud or stand up to read. By the time. Because basically, and that's totally true. Right. If you have a work to do and you're up working, it's fine. But if you if you again read this book in the next ten hours, and you're falling asleep. And that's one of the reasons why if you have a normal schedule job like a nine to five, and then you wanna work out or good. You threw something after work. Don't go home. Because when you go home the gun on the customer, a second or even if you just like, you know, just talk to your wife, or whatever it's like. Rather than going straight to the gym. And your your best advice you've ever given. Like if you wanna trade don't go home, go to the gym. Yeah. That's very good advice. Then it goes on. It says buy breakfast time. You'll be getting less sleepy. This is totally true. If you stay up wants the sun's coming up, you can get through the next day. Pretty well. You may feel tired especially being awake March especially been marching are walking to keep awake. You won't feel fresh you'll feel uncomfortable. But other people will not notice anything wrong with you. Unless you sit down to relax with nothing important or interesting to do then very likely you'll does off if you have a job that requires accurate movements are accurate thinking, you'll probably make no more mistakes and usually do. So let's say, hey, if you step twenty four hours, you still be good to go whole next day, which I know you've done this at the muster or close to it. Right. We've done like an hour sleep two hours before maybe for one day. Yeah. Like second day. You gotta hit the rack Reeler. The second night you won't want to stay up, but you may have to another March maybe necessarily the enemy may attack. And it's the second night. And the second night is like the first but more difficult it's harder to keep active under your own power yet. You can if you're officers of the enemy furnace the motivation. You don't want to keep your mind on any topic? Very long, your thoughts, and ideas, we'll trail off into relevancy have you can possibly get a chance to relax you will. And then you'll go to sleep you ought not to be on century duty. But you may keep awake by walking. Or if you go off into an inattentive days while you continue walking by this time, you'll probably getting quite irritable. Little things provoke you, and you may talk some nonsense. Your anger does not last though, you'd rather go to sleep the day. After the second sleepless night is better than the preceding sleep was night. But you'll be irritable rambling and a logical in speech thought in inattentive more than. Usually sensitive to pain your is issue. Maybe gin to see double. You can't sit down to read your handwriting becomes Bannon. Pestle dropped from your hand. You may even begin to have a loose nations imagining events that do not really happen as if you begun to dream while you're still awake. You can still be spurred to your full mental powers in manual dexterity. If the stimulus is strong enough, if your commander demand your attention if a shell comes over, but the effect of these things doesn't last as long as it would normally pretty soon, you're back to where you were with the most important thing in your world is to need the need to shut your eyes and go to sleep wounded soldiers coming out of combat after many days and nights of continuing continuous fighting's fighting maybe so terribly in need of sleep that even the severe pain of wounds has not keep them from going sound asleep. As soon as they are allowed to lie down and aesthetics can be dispensed with. So there you go there's your there's your second day. And now, you're your second day. The second full day without sleep. How long can you go without sleep? You can manage a third night without sleep, and maybe a fourth with all the symptoms getting worse with attention harder and harder to command with more activity necessary to keep you awake. A psychologist wants kept himself awake. For four whole bays. Spurred only on by scientific motive for seeing what would happen next with doth doses of a stimulant benzedrine, which is like a an amphetamine which I had to look up to help. He may actually he actually kept himself awake for eight whole days and seven nights. There was a man wants to believe that sleep was a bad habit. Which off to and could be overcome. He was given a watchman's clock on which to record every ten minutes. The fact that he was awake. He stayed awake. Almost continuously for nine and a half days missing. Only thirty one out of one thousand three hundred eighty recordings of the ten minute intervals, of course, he got some other cat naps during the ten minute intervals as time we're on he became dazed. He could keep appointments at the wrong time or in the wrong place or both he got so he could so that he was not always sure where he was at the end of the time. He was beginning to have hallucinations and delusions of persecution and had become so cantankerous that the experiment had to be stopped. He just turned into just got. So angry is shut it down to like it wasn't like he was going to die. He was just real mad at where we can't anymore. So that's pretty accurate. Going back to the books. Leap soon. Restores the sleepy manner animal the men who stay awake for two or three days are generally in pretty good shape after a twelve hour, sleep and show, no affects at all after two or three normal mites. That's totally true. You get yourself back to normal real quick. You. The whole troubling sleeplessness is with attention and thus higher levels of the brain which are necessary for attention. The soldier who loses sleep is becoming an is becoming inefficient because he can no longer keep his mind on the job on any job except the one job of getting relaxation closed eyes and sleep he can be stimulated into attention by actively by a foretaste of command by danger, but the effect of the spur lasts less and less as time less and less time as he gets sleep here when spurred he can do almost any simple task as about as well as usual on less. It is a task that requires attention alertness in judgment, then he begins to fail. Being frustrated by not being allowed to sleep. He becomes irritable. Belligerent and perhaps even unmanageable. His morale goes down. He's no longer a good comrade. But his recovery will be rapid give him sleep. Which is all he wants and pretty soon. He'll be back. His old competent friendly alert self. That's all right in a number gency. But ordinarily soldiers should have enough sleep. They need to be alert whether for study or combat whether driving a truck in America or firing an anti-tank gun in Africa or Europe enough regular sleep from taps to I call should be the rule. Except when the enemy decrees. Otherwise, there is no rule about the amount of sleep that young adults must have some get cranky and irritable. When cut down from seven hours a night to five others do not the unit with high morale can do with less sleep. But sleepy men tend to have low morale. These two forces work against each other. There is also there are also no rigid. Rules about the details of sleep. No rules that apply to everyone alike. So an aunt actually it's interesting because I'm here right now on a very minimal amount of sleep. I had a meat I had to fly to DC. I had a meeting in BC it went late. And when I got done with the meeting got back to my hotel midnight. I had to prep this podcast. I was on west coast time. So I was like, well, it's only ten o'clock or whatever nine o'clock. So I just stayed awake. My car pickup was three I probably slept forty minutes. And then we'll, but then I did sleep on the plane flying back from the east coast out to here. I got at least probably three hours of sleep there on comfortable. You know, just not is that even sleep. We don't know what does that count as. And. Not try not don't have much sleep right now. Doug, pretty good. Yeah. It doesn't matter. You know, when people people call you can't perform I don't I don't know lend people freak out and say, you cannot there's no way you can perform as well when your sleep if you don't have enough sleep. It's like, I get it. Hey, I'm not anti sleep. If you need to sleep man, sleep as much as you can see as much as you can see eight hours a day sleep, ten hours a day. I don't care. I'm not against you. I don't hold it against you. But there's two things number one. If you have a lot of things that you need to do. And you spend a lot of time in bed the things that you need to do aren't going to happen. So you may need to get out of bed and get things to happen. Number two. I don't even I have horrible feeling if I sleep a lot. Not not just okay, I feel bad because I missed on doing some stuff that I'd probably needed to do. Also, I don't feel more rested. I don't feel more rested. If I sleep eight hours, I feel sometimes worse. So yes. And he essentially said everyone's different. There's no hundred percent men that I'm complete opposite. I feel way more rested even seven hours. I'm good six hours is I'm fine six hours two days in a row. Not not. That's when those symptoms start to creep in seven hours every single day fine, eight hours, I feel like a boost like, yeah. Nine hours. I don't know if I would could go nine hours more than one or two nights in a row like just physically I do. But what are I could do the nine hours? And I'd be like saw let's all it off to try some something out off to try it out and see if I feel more solid. But you you, you know, like, you said people say, hey, you, you there's no way you can perform at your at your highest if you're like sleep deprived, or whatever I would imagine just like how you know, how the saying here that everyone's different like your optimum versus yourself optimum. Mom might be like super spawn, you know, where you. You feel little teeny tiny effects, but your output are the results of your output, or whatever or pretty similar. They're almost on pretty much unnoticeable. Even though gay you could have done a little bit better with more sleep kind of thing. But just like, and then opposed to me where man I go five hours of sleep the difference between six hours of sleep and five hundred seat for me is like I feel like a completely different person. Like, there's all there's one time. If I remember because I was talking to Leif time Leith was in town. I got like very hardly any hours asleep. And I remember talking to him and thinking relief thinking thinks I'm stupid just because I didn't even really makes it I mean, I don't know if he noticed it, but I noticed it. But then yeah, if I got like six or seven or whatever school well for that freaks out. I'm not saying don't save sleep CPA bunch sleep. All you want. It's fine. You don't sound very confident or you. Don't sound very well. It's probably because. I don't because you only got three hours of sleep. Well, your your ear. He gets because. I get that you should sleep. But I think people take advantage of it real quick that makes they start getting into the, you know, I am just going to sleep all times like when someone says dark chocolate good for you. Dark chocolate cake, and it's like. Well, does that include dark chocolate cakes dark chocolate triple fudge ice cream because dark chocolate is good for you. So I'm in the game. So sleep is good for me. So I'm not getting out of bed. So, but whatever I encourage people to sleeve, and I it's not the other thing is it's crazy. It's it's not like, I don't sleep. I sleep. I sleep almost every day. You know what? I mean. It's good every day. I sleep. No. I see just about every day. I go to bed at ten ten thirty eleven eleven thirty somewhere in there. I wake up at four thirty maybe four twenty maybe four thirty two. But that's a lot of sleep. You know, let's between five and six hours every day. Yeah. I mean, I guess for your standard, but freaking out. Yeah. So no reason. Well, you know, I mean for people who are sleep deprived, and they do have differences, which you okay this much. I do know. I do know this for fact when I have less sleep. I'm more emotional. And and you know, what I actually I actually is helpful for me. Oh, dang, okay. Like I like to be sleep deprived somewhat. I don't session says I like to sleep a little bit less because it's more. It makes more it makes my life a little bit more on edge. Which actually what's funny is you said that one time when you were like I like a little bit of sleeped up just a little bit. That was weird. When you told me, I was like, I see what you're saying. Because it kind of it's almost like a comfort thing, right? Like if you're too comfortable like, you might be more inclined to relax kind of idea. Even though I mean, I can't really get down with it. Because the more rested. I am the more happier. I'm gonna feel and you like you say emotional and in the book, it's said irritable right here. Or something at the it's the same thing for sure I'm with you. Irritable. Like, the kind like, I'm irritable with like stuff. Not even like inanimate stuff. Like, the my my phone isn't connect, my bluetooth are quick enough. What's wrong with this thing in my head? You know that can stuff even. But then if I'm rested. But no, no factor. Maybe it won't work at all on care. I like that little bit of edge. Because part of it is because things I got never bothered me. So whatever my phone didn't conduct in your kinda did. Bring it back to life a little bit of anger your ability. Make it good anyways that so that's where I'm going to stop for this podcast about this book at on the next book, and actually this is like the warm up. And I think the second half of the book is is even better. It's when it gets into the morale twenty gets into leadership. It's when it gets into the psychological warfare offense and defense. And so we'll pick that up on the next podcast. I wanted to do one more little passage from this book here as shorter passage. But it's just a. Again, just a just a reminder of what? What war is going back to and we go on by will bird. Here we go. We found the platoon in hardly recognized it the sergeant was there and McDonald, but the rest were strangers. They told me that the seventy third of the fourth division had been so caught up that they had been withdrawn and the eighty fifth Nova Scotia highlanders had taken their place the remnant of the seventy third had been divided between us and the thirteenth. I got McDonald to one side and asked questions. It was far worse than I thought the forty second had gone straight through to their objective, despite the sleety snow and mud and confusion had driven back all opposition and seized their objective. But on their left the fourth division had been held up and a flanking fire had taken a heavy toll. Freddie was gone. He had project. He had predicted truly. A big shell had landed beside him killing him and burying him. Charlie had fallen in the first rush riddled with bullets Joe the exploit policemen had fought through to the objective and had been killed by a sniper on the flank. One shell had wiped out Stevenson throw and ROY as they grouped by captured gun. Mcmillan had been shot in the stomach and it died after waiting hours in the trench. Billy the complainer had fallen as charged a machine gun keeping on until he was almost within reach of the gunners. Little Gilroy had been killed and westcott smelly had been wounded. Huggy? The sergeant had been defied and had been wounded at the same time and had been taken away together. Big Herman was missing they live quote, located his body a month later. That morning you'd shaken hands with Freddie, said goodbye to him. And then we had when he had got going head Runamuck. He was found almost at the bottom of the ridge near a battery position with eight dead. Germans about him four of them killed by bayonet. In the other platoons, besides Tommy slim and Joe had survived an IRA and Sam and big Glen, and Eddie and Mickey and Jerry they sat in the dugout that night after a hard day of rebuilding roads. Each man suffering from bodily fatigue and crawling with vermin and the clammy chill of mud. Kate clothing. Their faces brooding and Matic, even Mickey's curiously odd only there is moving. They would not talk about the fighting and seemed utterly warn. Six months ago, we had marched eagerly bravely, our tin hats askew, and with a cheeky retort for every comment hiding, whatever secret apprehensions, we had not knowing the heavy ominous. Silence. That follows the burst of big shells. And the cries of the wounded not knowing what it is to scrape a hasty grave at night. And they're bury a man who has worked with you and slept with you since you enlisted. And. Clearly war is hell. It's a physical, and it is a psychological hell. And the more we know about it. The more. We should understand that war is to be avoided as much as humanly possible. But it also teaches us how strong we as human beings can be what we can overcome. It teaches us the importance of training the importance of preparation the importance of will not only the will to win in war. But the will to carry on into win. In life. And we all have that power. We just need to find it. Into win. And I think that's all I've got tonight so echo, Charles. Speaking of. Winning. I know we are sort of trying to be on the path of winning mentally physically psychologically in life and on the mats. In a let's sort of the thing we're doing here the movement. Sure. And I know you have some recommendations for that just might be helpful. Yes. They will be helpful factually nice. What do you got? I have. Well, we're on the path. Right. We got that weight war. Life is war. We're asked full what is it? More. We're all out war all that work on at work. Now. Total war total. Yes. Total war. So we'd be in that total war. There's little battles, right? Right. So I think people are not going to like that one life is war. But it's so true. Yeah. I mean, I mean if you start looking at your life like it's war. It's gonna make you better. If you look at every day as a war on multiple fronts that you have to fight where victory is the only choice. You you're going to have a better life. Actually, it's is really good. Even for someone who I get it. The word war might trigger some people. I get it. Just like the word fight might trigger some people, but you could say life is a fight. It's always a fight not against people. My suspicion is the amount of people listening to this podcast triggered, by the words, war or fight is zero agree with you. That's my suspicion. Yeah. I could be wrong. But they're severely triggered at this point. If that's where they're at. The only thing we talk about is fighting in war. Yes. I think you're right. I believe. Okay. Your resumes mature so within the all out war. There's little battles. Right. And in those battles. One of those battles is the jujitsu. When you do this utions, you're going to need a geek anorak guard. Let's begin. 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"Facebook: The Inside Story" with Steven Levy

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"Facebook: The Inside Story" with Steven Levy

"The I want to say what Bill said. Yes so gates When I interviewed him for this book he accepted some degree the parallels between mark and and him and He said Yeah. We both dropped out of Harvard. Yeah we started these influence companies. But you can't really take this powerful that is like made for one thing. I wrote a lot more code. Put that in your book exactly coming up on this special episode of the Geekwire. Podcast A conversation with veteran tech journalist Steven Levy wired editor at large about his new book. Facebook the inside story. I'm geekwire editor. Todd Bishop and I spoke with Steven Levy this week during a university bookstore event in Seattle and as a special bonus for Geekwire podcast listeners. Stick around to the end for a chance to win your own. Signed copy of the Book Steven Levy. It's great to have you here as great to be here so I devoured facebook the inside story. This is a real page Turner. And I'm looking forward to having a great discussion with you about it. Started reporting this book in August of two thousand sixteen correct but you've been covering facebook for more than a decade prior to that and it's right variety of capacities but that day August twenty sixteen is notable because just three months later was obviously November. Two Thousand Sixteen the elections and then everything hit the fan and facebook have really some of the most tumultuous years in its history. They promised you access at that moment. Three months before they knew that things were going to go south right. Were they ever attempted to withdraw that access from what you saw. What I had heard did they had had discussions when things got pretty rough about. Should we still keep talking to this guy and I think the reason why they still kept doing it? Is they figured about point? This is what I was told I was going to finish it anyway. Which is true. I wasn't going to abandon it and a lot of the people I talk to How they shut me out. I was talking to anyway and they thought well maybe it wouldn't be so bad to have someone here are side of it. They knew this horrible stuff was happening. Was going to be in the book but it was everywhere so why not keep going so in the end. I know that you're presenting a fact based story here in many ways. But do you think that was a wise decision on their part to if you could look at it objectively and not in a self interested way the author might look at it but do you think that was a smart. Pr Decision on their part. That's a good question. I think I don't know I think that the book would wouldn't have the you know the depth of their voices in it had they booted me out some of the last interviews. I did with mark and Cheryl were among the most fruitful but I think it will be other books and they'll be other accounts and you know I think when they look back on it they would say this is. This is our story. I mean they can't get around that and it's been hellish few years for them so some of the House of the book went out so one of the discoveries that you made was the existence of a series of books that Mark Zuckerberg created by drew crafted in the very early days of the company. And you found the key pages from perhaps the most important one of those notebooks at one of the turning points for the company. Tell us that story of notebooks and especially the behind the scenes story of how you got that so it was well known mark in the early years of facebook kept a notebook and the people would see him scrawling notebook and longhand tight little script to use his and he would write his ideas for products designed for products. Sketch him out He would write his vision for facebook. And I guess there was something more gravitas than a whiteboard have there and it was private. People wouldn't look at the notebook itself but I heard that sometimes he would copy pages from the notebook If it had the sketch of what a products look like or maybe something to spur. Conversation about sewer. Facebook should be going and I also heard that he destroyed those notebooks so Whereas I think David Kirkpatrick in his book wrote about the existence of he never saw them and they were gone but I felt boy. Wouldn't it be great if they had existed and I thought well maybe someone who had those copies and kept some copies and I asked people anyone. White fought either been given some pages copies of the notebooks or maybe knew someone who would pages and maybe they make copies for an appointment. Anything I would ask and people weren't too eager to hand me over secret notebook pages of it if even if they had it Sometimes they'd say well it's very garage somewhere. I don't know if it's okay to give it to you. Maybe I should ask permission. Seemed like a non starter and I always tell these people. Well here's my address. Maybe one day if some pages of the notebook were to arrive at this address it wouldn't even need every turn address. That would be okay and one day. I went to my mailbox. There's a big brown envelope. We ought to return address with seventeen pages of the book of change which had to be the most important of all the notebooks. Because this is the place in two thousand six largely in the spring of that year maybe the summer and facebook was changing from a college network to something were more people use. Everyone use it. That was one of the products. Mark was writing about open registration and the other one was called the news feed. He just called feed. Then I found out why he had to change it to newsfeed defeat because someone to take a trademark for feed in the social network context. It turned out to be Viacom. Someone told me about that. And they said I won't tell you who I went to digging into trademarks. That's how I found out and and he also was talking about where you want to take facebook. In general he called it the information engine and he talked about how he wanted facebook that information on every one of the world these. It'll be like a great government database where you can look up something and find them. And I'd never heard this words in combination before A great government database. But okay and he also wrote a bustling cold dark profiles in there which is interesting because facebook has been saying for quite a while. There's those thing as dark profiles and here. He was writing about it for three days. And this is the idea that people who haven't signed up for facebook effect essentially have these shadow profiles of themselves that are populated by other people's references to them and then if those people then sign up for facebook boom. They've got a very active profile somewhat. Variously right right and so I checked out what happened to that and there were a couple of people at facebook around that time. Who said Yeah we had. This product is called dark profiles and it would be the information about you where someone tagging a photo and you were on facebook it would have that information and were someone you know if you were someone I guess. In theory maybe their contacts or whatever and later I found them someone. I talked to someone who was in charge of facebook growth team. Who told me that they hired? Think dark profiles and to build up facebook's numbers they would take out an ad for someone on Google they would just you know a take out ads of people's names and of course when these people look for social name Google is everyone does they would you know. And they click on the AD. Saying you know Joe Smith and they would see their fill it out and join facebook. So how much of what you read in those seventeen pages of change came to fruition. Well the open registration totally came to fruition. Newsfeed change newsbeat Changes facebook newsfeed came to fruition again most popular by far product on facebook. There was a thing called the mini feed which came to fruition. It's not around anymore. But this was sort of like a ticker all your activities on facebook That would live on your profile page. So if you say you know made friends with Todd and Mary. It might make it on people's news but it would definitely be an you. Were many the on your profile. Page someone to your profile page. Get everything about you and mark worried about privacy in some of these products and my favorite line is kind of ominous and the whole notebook is when he's running about one of these products and he says how do we make. It seem secure even if it's not so. Did you take from reading these pages of his notebook? An impression of someone who was a benevolent altruistic leader of a burgeoning social network or someone who had ill intent to impact the world in a negative way. I don't think he had an impact world in negative way he. He was catching this in a positive way. He was thinking this is going to be great for people and the idea that they might feel their privacy. Was threatened was a speed bump towards accomplishing. What he thought was a great thing to do and the great thing to do. Big Picture is connect the world and they've accomplished that yet. Yeah connect the world and get people to share more and you right at one point in the book that facebook essentially has not changed its outlook on the world. Connecting the world bringing people together through this global network has not changed from that original vision. Lots of ways that they've implemented aged and obviously the world around them has changed. How would you explain this company to to somebody who might not be fully aware of what it is right? Well H changed in two thousand six. The change from where it started marks dorm room in two thousand four and there have been changes. But you're right. Essentially I was writing about how that from two thousand six that vision that idea of connecting the world has remained the main mission. Now there's been a lot of submissions. Did go along with that and some of them have been as benevolent. And Benign. You did There was face to make a lot of money. Why make a lot of money to better to connect more people right and facebook had to grow because obviously you can't connect the world and let's keep growing and facebook Catta vanquishes competitors because otherwise they would be only. Competitor is not connecting the world. So I think there's some goals got mixed up with the mission and it became very fuzzy so became anything that facebook does has to be a good thing because ultimately it feeds into the mission of building this global network through the initiatives of the growth team which really came back to haunt them in many different ways explain that dynamic. Scher mark always was focused on growth. I tell the story in the book where know someone takes us a product to him and basically he's which growth on the whiteboard nuts it it has to be growth everything that he growth That that's the filter by witchy evaluates potential products But in two thousand eight an executive facebook who had been Not Finding way they hired Sheryl Sandberg who suggested that he formed his dedicated growth team. Sort of dirty dozen. He would get all the you know. Smartest people in facebook the toughest people on facebook and they would have their own little group that the growth circle and they would do anything and everything to build up facebook's numbers and also is important to retain people in that tender period when they signed up and didn't have enough friends to keep them going so you know short term retention was PARV growth and. They tried every trick in the book. I mentioned one of them. The Darko Fall Trekking. Though I thought their masterpiece was the single people you may know which is that little strip faces. The come up when you're on facebook and quite often you do know these people but you figure how does facebook people And I plugged into the mysteries of that a little. And how do they know you know those people? Well they know your email is one thing they know when you look at other people's profiles you might be interested in them and there's a lot of different Voodoo that goes into that they know your friends and cross connections you have and there's been some really weird things that people have found there were sometimes. You don't know who the person is and you wonder. Do I really have a connection to that person and one reporter was intrigued when she tried to look this up and she found one of the people she may know She didn't think she knew but it turned album when she checked out a family tree. It was a great end. Wow there's another case where people figured out the reason why they were shown each other as they were both patients at the same psychiatrists. No privacy implications there. I mean I often get relatives of people I know. Even though I don't know them yeah. Phase was taking a shot at bats. They make a lot of really educated guesses and a lot of times. They'll push people on the people you may know when those who they're the newbies on facebook who don't have enough friends and that case they'll really try to get you to offend them and those people whatever they do will populate your news feed and it won't be a much used to you because I hardly know this person what do I care with. His versus up to and there was one executive with facebook. Said this is terrible. The ruining people's experienced by giving them these weak ties who they are not interested in a degraded our experience. I ask mark about that. He had a really interesting answer. He acknowledged that it was a great year experience. But he fought. You're doing it for the good of the network so it's kind of a tax that you pay for facebook to help get more people as it turns out. Microsoft has quietly played an instrumental role throughout facebook's history both directly and indirectly. And we'll talk about that after the break with Steven Levy author of facebook. 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Are there any lessons in Microsoft's rebirth and renaissance? That facebook could use as cues to do something similar yet again. All before I I want to say what Bill said. Yes so gates. When I interviewed him for this book he accepted to some degree he brought up the parallels between mark and him and he said Yeah. We both dropped out of Harvard. Yeah we started these companies. But you can't really take this powerful. That market is like me for one thing. I wrote a lot more code. Exactly Danica by Bennie also told me Mark was not like Steve. Jobs is he never designed to beautiful Bra which mark would admit i. Yeah well I don't know. Actually facebook takes pride in its design and to the answer your question. I think they would like to be in position to make that transition from a company. That was reviled was cited for antitrust reputation when from very high to fairly low the reputation of its founder went from way wonder to digital malefactor. Sounds familiar there. There's a parallel so I think they beep facebook like the weather this time and come back now. Microsoft Had A lot of dark years before they reach that and facebook is not had that dip that Microsoft went through in terms of the stock market. Interesting that's exactly ca automation and the impact you know facebook in terms of its finances is still soaring. So it's it's a you know. Maybe the last few days not so much in the stock market is a blue chip stock but in reputation. It's a penny stock and of course the key moment for Microsoft symbolically and in substance was the CEO's change not just from Bill Gates. Steve Mama which you could argue. It was just an extension of the glass era two bomber but bomber leaving entirely new regime in such an adult coming right to lead the company. And so two. If you were to force the parallel you say that would have to go. Yeah Yeah you would. I don't think that's something that mark would endorse words. I've never heard facebook or a succession plan. Really do you think they have one? They have to word wouldn't be doing their job if there wasn't but that's not anything they talk about. People make educated guesses about who would take over if Mark Zuckerberg decided to go to India and joined by A. I used to think it was Chris. Cox who came came in there in two thousand five and was really sort of the AF alter ego to mark for a long time. He was a key part of the culture. He was a great engineer but also wonderful manager and a person who had the people skills the mark never mastered to a high degree and he left slutty. Year-ago speaking of the people skills you write about the the the the stirrup sore on am I using the right phrase. Iran's gays were on gays the tendency the Mark Zuckerberg had especially early in his career to essentially respond to a question. By zoning out for what would you say sixty seconds? It felt like month. Yes he would sometimes about long. Actually I've had that experience with bill a couple of times. Yeah I didn't find. It was calculated bills part but my one personal interaction with Mark Zuckerberg was when facebook opened. Its Engineering Office here across from the Pike Place Market in Seattle and it was it was sort of a pseudo off the record. It was very awkward kind of gathering with a bunch of other reporters afterward. I went up to mark Zuckerberg and said Mark. Can I get a picture as a journalist? I'm thinking in my mind. I want a picture of you and he immediately thought that I wanted a Selfie with him and he said Oh come on yeah all right all right. I had no no. No I want a picture of you. I'm a journalist here covering you between your anecdote and my winner action with him. It strikes me that this person who has been orchestrating. Our social interactions around the globe is extraordinarily awkward himself friends. Social Environments. Is that part of. What's wrong with facebook? Well he he's getting better at mastering thieves. You know run the experiments and he's gotten this feedback and I have been tested and interviewing him now much different than the very first time I interviewed when he just gave me those stairs. That was in two thousand six and now he's actually takes these interviews sometimes allow him but she does it with other reports but as a learning exercise last questions and the questions are like. How's your kid? It's more like you know. How do you react to this product? Something how do you react something that he said during the interview? And but your question. I think the he actually does his successor. Facebook is tied to how good he's been guessing what people want and how he build a company. Yeah he could look at that this passionately. Let's say and figuring out how to build things that people engage with Mel. They might not be. I've turned out to be the most healthy things and he might have missed out but I think that's less an issue of him not understanding human nature then just being reckless and rolling things out and it struck me. We were talking about succession planning. Obviously Sheryl Sandberg's name would have to be in the mix It's not at the top of the list. It struck me how often you uncovered facts in the process of your reporting that you then presented to Sheryl Sandberg facebook. Ceo of and then she disputed or questioned or somehow tried to put in a different context. Actually were presenting her. What was going on there? All Show Cheryl likes to be in control of our environment and I think she's very careful about image she's a over prepare And she likes to project so the the way she'd like the world to Sayer so I think she's been more sensitive to criticism then Markaz Markaz very stoic. So even though he's been the target of unbelievable invective over the past few years I'd ask him about that and he gave would give an intellectual answer whereas for Charlotte. It's more emotional. I think in this interview with her I've done several for the book but I really wanted to do a longer interview with her. Because Cheryl soap here. That sometimes for responses Seem the people to be an authentic. She probably push back against that but I wanted to our interview. Sometimes we interview someone the second hour things get interesting. You know the walls come down so she agreed. Finally and the second hour it got pretty emotional because she was facing not only the shortcomings of facebook. Haddon dealing with the election. You know privacy and other issues but with the impact it had on her and and and Markham's specifically I brought up One instance where she visited the Black Caucus and she cheryl would feel that. These are national natural allies by. She's a long term Democrat. She's involved in civil rights stuff She feels she's a helper and and they just took her to tell you no because facebook had issues and civil rights in terms of ads. Redlining stuff and diversity on facebook itself and they just were brutal in that meeting and you got Super Emotional for Charlotte she was. It was clear that through all she's very raise passionate about facebook and it's incredibly painful to her. We're facebook has been over the last few years and especially that she had a hand in the mistakes and miscalculations and just bad policy the lead facebook to its current troubles. You could tell that she cares One of the fundamental problems that you identified in the structure of the company is the separation that has existed and persisted between the engineers and the policy people and in fact when things started to come up with the elections with Cambridge Analytica with all of these a public policy issues. One of the big problems was that Mark Zuckerberg Shrimp Mike. Shriver the CTO. They weren't aware of it because the policy people who were seeing this on their radar were not able to communicate into them up in fixed at this point as been as been addressed. So you're you're right. What happened when Cheryl came on two thousand eight? Was they had to decide what her role would be? She was obviously brought in as a person of Gravitas ingred expertise particularly in building a business model. She headed outwards. Google which was their wildly profitable product which accounted for the vast majority company's revenues and there was two ways to go there. One would be she would be marks. I've marked side of working together with him on all the issues. And you know. Maybe there's certain expertise tourism monetization saw that the other was Sort of in the mode of the previous not so successful sort of second in command. Marquette was the mark concentrated on product and engineering and the other executive. Cheryl's job is everything. Marcus I'm interested in sales policy talking to Washington politicians Hr and even security came under Cheryl's Reporting Chain Right which actually had some pretty bad effects later on so you think they've addressed it but not necessarily a markup. Mark said admitted that that turned out to be a problem but now he has to take more of an interest. Those things one of facebook's most important initiatives is based in the Seattle region and we'll explore that topic after the break with Steven Levy author of facebook. The inside story is so much to talk about their. I mean this is truly a case where you have to read the book to get all the full context and nuance so obviously the some of the key themes in the Book Privacy Cambridge Analytica. And then you also get into the complicated and sometimes awkward relationship between facebook. And what's happened instagram? And I want to ask you about Oculus because we are here in the Seattle region and you identified the significance of Oculus research which is based on the east side here. Can you explain the importance of Oculus research in the long-term vision of facebook for virtual reality and social networking? Yeah mark was captivated by his oculus. Demo that he got in twenty twelve and he didn't see it for what the founders thought it was which was a great game company He saw it as the next great todd for any new. We'd take a long time. But he felt ten years away he can make investment and he was very much affected by the near death. Experience facebook cod in. Vogel face was slowed. Mobile they Took a while for them to figure out how to make money on mobile This is right around the time they were doing their IPO and looked dark for the company for a little while before. They very successfully figured out how to do that now. They're by far the most popular APP on mobile and they make most of their money from mobile so it oculus research is something that they started at facebook to take the company. Not as the game company is now and it's going to be for the short term and maybe a good part of the medium-term and in the long-term build up the technologies so they will be on the present on our bodies And the thing will use them for is social applications basically the next facebook when you say I'm the president right now. Obviously virtual reality. Is You stick it on your face? And it's a big blocking thing. Oculus go is obviously an oculus. Quest are advances to where he had to a computer. Are you talking about board? Yeah well I mean I. I'm talking about I. Glass is what they're talking about. Michael a brash. Who has the lab appear former Microsoft Guy Is has talked about the glasses. And you know I've had conversations with him about the there's a there's a lot of science that still has to be done to make this stuff feasible and they're trying to get around it may feel. They've hired the best scientists to do this. So we're Google wasn't a few years ago Facebook still might be in building virtual and augmented reality To crack the code and have on our bodies and but like Google. Ai Other people are trying to catch up. And there's more and more competition for for that because there's a big race for those eyeglasses. The future apples involved Google's evolved Microsoft is involved so facebook still thinking it has the edge more still believes in it even though the results from Oculus of not being great. It's a lot of struggles being successful as a company and facebook has felt that well. We have to go through this. We have to learn our lessons about it and we have to keep you know. Keep using it as a real product. So it's a game company that pays for the Games you know the outside developers get funded through this thing called oculus studio and they take a loss on on the Games and they might be taking a loss on the headsets too. But it's all for the future so Stephen. I'm going to for this last question when I take you big picture. Okay you were given access that really no other. Journalists had to this company that is arguably the most influential on our social lives at least if not the most influential technology out there right now if people ask you on balance if this company is a positive force for the world or a detrimental negative force for the world. How do you square those things? How do you wrap your head around facebook after being inside for more than three years? I think there's just too much negative. I'm not saying yeah. There are positive things clearly. I'm on facebook and I have I. There's things I do that. There are pretty good and it'd be harder to other places a lot of us one or instagram to right. So you have to conclude that and a billion plus people and what's up so people are getting something out of it but I think the tragedy is just too much of the negative in and in part they can cite like well. We were over optimistic. That's they're lying. We're over optimistic about the way the world was. We thought that people would be nicer shared. Thought that would be something that would make them better than they were putting out their best selves instead of people's worst selves Making other people worse but I know except that I said to mark at one point. I'm not gonNA take that. They could have done it differently. I could've they could've made the platform closer to what it was the beginning and had less like outside news and make a platform for political arguments and more something to bring us closer with our communities. Mark one point said he changed during the course of the book. I was there in this conference. Chicago of administrators of these groups. Facebook groups meaningful groups is more calls and he said our new mission is to build communities. Well you know great. But they're still the biggest host of fake news and they're still even today. We heard we're still being attacked by the Russians on elections. So and they're still you know this addictive quality. There's still jump that goes viral. There's still a lot of concerns about the data they have on us and how it's used so it it didn't need hap. What specifically could they have done differently as it's just making sure that the community elements were first and foremost as it was before they went to? Yeah I mean I pinpointed. There was a period in facebook's history on two thousand eight thousand nine were mark was obsessed with twitter and he changed the way. The newsfeed works to allow more viral stuff to happen and to bring in more like lengths from things. People read looking news and the way news looks on. Facebook is an article in the Times doesn't look much different in an article in the Denver Guardian. Which doesn't exist exist and it's a it's an address. The parking lot and is at the time during the two thousand sixteen election Denver Guardian was talking about the FBI agents that Hillary of a murder the Asian of investigating Hillary had more engagement. Then the Top New York Times article and it didn't have to happen so much at risk of ruining the epilogue. Can you tell the story of what happened when you went to mark Zuckerberg's house for your final interview related to the notebooks? Right why I write the end of it. Much more poetically so just telling verbally and we'll be just an appetizer but My last interview with Mark I mentioned notebooks and talked about it and he told me that he destroyed it. Not For legal reasons which people have told me because during the period where is movie was things have been leaking the lawsuits that the movie was based on that some early communications he made from Harvard and the early days of facebook came out? And they were very embarrassing. They were showed side of Mark Young Mark. Which was you know very dark. And he laughed off privacy and Embarrassing Him and he didn't want that to happen notebooks. So that's why you destroy them so and I said well mark I actually have to have some of this notebook and that got his attention and we talked about that for a while we were. I got up and I said I don't know gave it to me and leaving. He said to me I really like to see those those nope those pages and I said what happened up a copy of my phone. I'd scandal and I handed it over and you got me. Swipe through and he went into a kind of a rupture and it. I realized that he was getting in touch with the twenty one. Twenty two year old. Who wrote those notebooks and he was really operating at peak flow when he wrote those he was designing scratch. This thing that he hoped we changed the world and he had a small team and the interactions were great and he didn't have the government investigating him he didn't have people saying he was destroying democracy and people in the UK calling him a digital gangster. He didn't have bodyguards that he needed to go everywhere he was. He wasn't a hated figure. And I think he was just connecting back in that looking at the notebook and it also was great for me because I had to verify anyway. Implicit confirmation that they were. That's right I used to work for a publication called Newsweek and a few years before I got there they had spent a million dollars the by the Hitler diaries and just as they were coming out it turned out the Hitler diaries where a forgery and even though I got there like you know probably five years after the diaries. Maybe more it was still a big deal. Newsweek about the Hitler diaries. So I didn't want that notebook to be my Hitler diary so it was real. He confirmed that he thought on your phone. Have you sent him the copies? Since I'll get around to have you heard from him since come out. I did actually actually wrote me a pretty classy note. He didn't agree with everything in the book and disputed actually but he said he appreciated the effort put into it web. We appreciate the book. It's really it is a definitive account of this monumental company in our midst so see only thank you very much thank you. Thanks for listening to this special episode of the Geekwire. Podcast for a chance to win a copy of Stephen Levi's book facebook. The inside story sent an email to podcast at geekwire dot com with the subject. Line Zuck and we'll pick one person at random to win. 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The Not So Late Show With Jason Monteclar EPISODE 26 - "ANG INTERNET"

The Not So Late Show With Jason Monteclar

23:54 min | 5 months ago

The Not So Late Show With Jason Monteclar EPISODE 26 - "ANG INTERNET"

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The Fate Of Frenemies With Dr. Drew - Frenemies #14

H3 Podcast

2:05:04 hr | 5 months ago

The Fate Of Frenemies With Dr. Drew - Frenemies #14

"So here we are. You know. I think first of all we came off. This is coming off of our biggest baddest Dramatic has payback. The how do you would you call it. I don't want to say. I said meltdown. Or were you stormed off. But that seems to. That seems was it. I think kind of spiraled a little bit of all videos made about you guys after it was probably the most embarrassing thing on camera salads. Really thing yeah. I think if you and calling yesterday i mean i have come back because i was so embarrassed but because she was okay with a larry. Let me try and i love doing this show it. Just it really sucked. It got to that. But that was pretty bad. It's just a recap by the way with us today and this is pure chevy anything. We're faking this. Yeah because with us today. The last time we had a big fight we had dr drew onto media. And he's back with his colleague dr young now first of all before we kind of doc young. What is your background. What what is it that you do here with dr drew. Well said i'm a professor at university. Southern california in the marshall school business and drew nigh wrote the book that came out two thousand ten on narcissism among celebrities. Oh no can't get this guy out of here so you're not been friends and kind of research partners for a long time and tell me about the show and be fun to come on and talk about the results of surveys. We yes so. We took the purse. We took personality tests. Me and tricia both took the personality to a month ago. It was yeah. They needed time to crunch the numbers saying because we were like in a good space together. We're like okay. I in find though not that it would have changed. The i know but like the timing is so are the because we were meant to already do this today. We had a huge fight on the last episode. I'll be honest with you. I didn't think in my mind. I was thinking will. I'm going to have to wait and see till next year. You wanted to break. And i kind of pushed. I don't know that's right. Whereby i really wanted to do more episodes and then the doctor specifically because we had this plan and i was like really wanting to do it again because i loved the last episode. You're like how. And then you're like i'm going to say by myself. That were taking a break. I'm like well can i. At least come on with you. And i said but the thing is we had dr drew and dr young scheduled and we scheduled you. Can you guys confirmed to me as you get into this. So oh thank you. For having us thank coming back agassi inundated with social media notifications of what had gone down with you guys offer and i only we're gonna have to. We're gonna have to postpone this thing. We had scheduled and daniel will confirm. I pushed him. The buzzed voted. If tricia wasn't gonna be her original idea was we're going to measure this look at what's most because tricia and you were so gracious and so forthcoming last time with all the information about with the stuff you've been struggling with. I feel like we really made sense of the sort of were able to look at what was going on with you. I thought it helped ease and understand who are would you struggle with and obviously none of that work because you guys at the gay love to find out what that was all out i but i feel with each of these blow ups you guys get. I wouldn't say closer together but ups you manage your relationship better and the fact that you're back today be says it all precious of thank you for coming back so well. It was interesting because after our first meeting my phone. Kfi reading gay. After the first meeting we had. I do feel like a deepened. Our connection and we went for a long stretch of time very amicably. Very just like good easy sandeep careful i don't want to ruin the show. Well no data was a healthy dose of need back and forth. Banter became a little one-sided in my opinion but that's jumping ahead of myself. I thought it was a little one-sided the poking that i wasn't allowed to poke back way. Maybe i'm wrong. Okay well we'll do. How do you want to do this to basically two ways we can do this. Do you want to get into the personality test. Are you want to know about the meltdown. I think i think everyone wants to hear about the milk. They're really people. Were hand hanging on gender folks and they're gonna want to see it. Okay so we'll what happened was and maybe you got six back too. So what happened was i think we're having a nice normal episode. Everything was going great. And then tricia mentioned something about my now. This is very complicated. Tricia is dating my wife's brother. We knew that last time and so and so she brought up something about my wife. And i said okay hold on you. You have to cut this because either doesn't want you talking about her big part that you're wrong on this and it's very very important. That he brought up ila he said last illawarra washy episode and said there was powdered sugar on your lips last time. I'm like yeah. That was the first thing group. Show him the tape rewind it. that's okay well. whatever he brought it up for ela worse. It's okay i mean is that we should have ron. Everyone thinks we hate each other. We don't it'd be funny to have ron. He goes nope. Don't about and i was like it wasn't said to me off camera. Not talk about her that she was off limits. Have this. i'm on their channel. Like we've always so it just kind of caught me off guard. And that's when the pushing started. Because then he you know he's he started being like nope can't talk. She can't and i'm like why not like you talk about me on your guys's podcast. I'm on the channel like we've always talked about this out of nowhere that i obviously can't talk about your wife who's a public figure. So that's what started the whole spiraled and obviously spoiled on my part it didn't spiral from the just to know. I think first of all. I'm willing to admit my mistake. I should have definitely talk to you about this before we started recording. I should have said is not near there. That does not feel like you mean it. Doesn't i do minute really clear the immediate because because this will come back around virtue if she isn't convinced i one i one thousand percent. I okay what i one convince jillian. No i genuinely regret not talking. That was not fair of me to spring. That on new the way i did okay so so i so i was wrong and i did text you and say that afterwards we did last guys this you gotta see. You got to see what happened. Dr drew this is just like We're on the titanic. And you're like oh there's an iceberg name and hit yet you know. We just bought it. So there's a lot of tension between moses. My brother in law and ila my wife. Neither of them are here right now. Just good. Did this by design. We can talk about everybody. Is your your wife's brother. Yes the yes okay. So here's where the problem comes in. Tricia comes on the show and she frequently repeat stuff that moses tells her so but let me just finish my point and then you can respond so for example tricia will say an. You did say in that episode. Moses doesn't even like you guys anyway or she'll say she says she's joking when she says stuff like this but she goes. Well you're she says of mom moses's mom he. He's not very close with her. And she wouldn't be invited to our wedding or you guys won't be invited to our wedding or you. Guys aren't close. With moses showy says stuff like that that i feel like is driving a wedge between moses and his family so and by the way and then there's more there's more because i don't think more more this is important. Break it down for this. Part is one more piece. That i think's important but when i ask most when eli asks moses about it moses says. I didn't say that there. This actually not import so so but somebody okay. Should you know what do you know. What splitting behaviors are splitting. Talk about last time. It's is where you it's it's it has many different sorts of features one of it is presenting differently to different people or are presenting different aspects of the truth to different people or splitting one person's point of view. It's another like vs and says i like green. You've got lows says. You don't like rain by moses likes blue. That's splitting people does does that. Does that feel familiar to you. Okay and so and you've talked about your personality issues in one of those issues is you'll have a tendency to split you just well. Yeah and then. Your job is to not respond to split it. Yeah but she's but she's driving. But i can't if she's my wife you're alive. I gotta get on your case for this on you or allowing the wedge to be put the place. She is doing what she does. She is doing her splitting saying and your jobs ago. Dot jerry is. I'm not the one being split. My wife is being driven apart from her brother and his own family is no one told me this. Prior to last week. I thought it was a key jobs me. I guess it's splitting. And yes i know. I was jabbing him. But it was. No one told me didn't tell me. She had a problem with ethan. Didn't tell me somehow with moses. No one told me that this was an actual severe problem. That's so severe. Always talking to moses. Like how would i. How would i never told me. I did on the show multiple times and you cut out a joke about my one time and never even explained to me been like. Hey we're going to cut up. I would say you have. There was times when you say you have to stop all this entertainment. Just like i say stop it. That's roll like camera. Okay if you tell me off camera. Hey this is a real serious issue to stop. You never once said that. You've always had on camera and i always thought we were fighting back and forth. You come from me. I come for you. And i said oh. It's part of the show eight. The problem is that ila distrusts her brother because he's telling trickier things you're splitting. Now you're worth so. I'm not really not. I'm not supporting shit. That stuff should be presumed that be presented on on this show that issue. I think it's out there okay. So you're white. Did i think this is an important issue. But they're not listen. Listen the reality is can't tell where reality is with. This stuff gets going so you shouldn't take offense when you don't know what's what's your you can't take offence stuff when people are just talking later when you if you're able to substantiate these things and find out that moses is not trustworthy or does feel the way the tristesse telling you will then something to talk about. The meantime is whatever. Don't don't react. You're so you're saying so. Let's say a moses said so. Tricia comes on. She says moses says and like you guys and then ego says hey why do you keep saying this shit too tricia. She never did that. Never told me that she never said why. Do you keep saying. I've never talked to moses to moses mothers not. Tell me everything i do not know this. Okay we're okay i we. We all agree. We should've talked to you sooner. And when she did you feel like you guys bio as soon as she talked to me totally. I'm so sorry to. I didn't know it was crossing a line. 'cause it was on the show and you're always like stop it. Stop it but like. I always tell you to stop things. And that's like our thing is like poking stuff with me so well. There's stiffer different levels of poking but like but no one told me that they were truly uncomfortable with it that it was like upsetting their lives. I thought it was a job because very little things bother you so that was the thing that bothered me so i kept going with. Obviously this bothers him. The way you push on me that stuff that bothers me. We're going to present to you guys very very soon. The the data right about personality functioning. What's going on. And i want you to understand when we do that. Were these should not be used to pass judgment on somebody. Just we talked last time. Tricia remember we talked about just is right is just these are features that you have and you gotta let trauma stuff and so of course you can have these features. Would you have to be able to sort of manage that. Ethan you have to kind you kind of have to understand where it's coming from what it is and you know i i never i always. I feel like whatever you throw at me. I can always deal with the problem that happening. That's causing the friction is between eli and her family as a result of things that tristesse saying if it were up to me i would be here every week and i feel like the that you say. Don't really get under my skin. Even in fact there's things like the last week when you got really upset. You started attacking my parenting and stuff. It didn't it i will. I'm i can deal with. This wasn't attacking as do you want my opinion on this. I asked if you. I throw a jab. I said something. Like i want to have any any. Then you said. Tell me. Then how i should do i said. Do you want my opinion. When there's two working adults i said. Do you want my opinion in. You said yes. I did to throw the first job at it but you continue to push so tell me about my parenting like you really wanna know and like yeah. I was like all right. This is what i would do when i had a single mother. That was working. My grandma watch me not a nanny. I had a babysitter you just because it objected to an objectively true. And there's i feel like there's no point in debating ask you. Do you really want this because you pushing for me to give you responses if we don't have the clip so they couldn't possibly know the context so there's no point club with very easy to show them online. She was at the peak of her anger and she wasn't the peak of my anger. That become anger is led the end. Okay well she was. She was rising up to. I realized what he was doing he is pushing for a reaction is likely. Do you really want my opinion on the situation. I was pushing for a reaction. I was trying to make you own what you said. Ask me my mom's a bad grandma That sounds a little bit aggressive. What does that mean she biggest. She says so we were so we came to a point where she's like. Let's just move on. And i said great. Let's move on and there's like a moment of silence and then she says i'll tell you one thing if i was lucky enough to have a kid. I have a nanny And that was a job. And i admit that he'll bush. Oh so what should we do. If he was working at give me i said what do you mean by that and i said. Do you really want me to answer that. And he said yes then he goes. Oh so now. My mom's a bad mom for not watching peter so he kept within reaction but what like pushing for to me responding and giving a reality. I was trying to figure out what you meant. So i'm not allowed to respond me responding to think that i do think that having nannies tell me what do you think about the truth about your asking you right now and not being on it but if i do you want me to reply. We'll be honest. I don't want you to be like you're attacking my parenting. Do you want my because you said whoa case you say okay. What your mom should be here. Then i think i would. I would have my mom watch over a nanny. I don't trust strangers with mike. My personal experience. I don't think you're nannies. The worst i'm just saying my stance this is not the this is not the exact conversation that happened and i don't think it's productive. Go over now. Let me just ask me do not. Just ask me to give you my opinion on this. And that's what i'm saying. Do you really want me to tell you i will. I have no problem talk about this but you just asked me to give you an opinion to gain about it opinion. I heard it. I don't i don't care to share it again. I'm just saying if he wants to because like wh. It's very obvious that she was in that moment. Digging deep as possible. I was not ticket. He was pushing. Forget so you don't also tricia that one of your things is unregulated aggression agility. Once it gets going go dry dock. Yeah and then even somehow can't handle that when that happens. I can't handle it well. No you escalated as opposed to just containing it and answered the club. You gotta watch the clip. See what happen. Yeah but but i. I want to go back something that that is. I found curious. Why are we so embarrassed. Tricia that that sorta surprised me. Honor or would you did on social media when you're when you were in that state of unregulated a russian. Yeah i think has like. I don't think that's ever been out there like that. I obviously like that. Very end of it. After all of that when i realized like he's pushing me and pushing me for a reaction which i'm happy to give. I'm happy to be that person. Because like i know it can be entertaining or whatever and i'm finding that way. It just was more embarrassing. That i let it go so far where i called his wife really bad names. I called her the c word. The was cursing out a storm. Like i honestly don't even remember that part. I remember the remember all that that part. I don't remember all of a sudden my boyfriend comes with the pizza. It seems like it's a big joke and people are like laughing bats. This is my perception. It may not have been that way and they're always. I was thinking like. Oh my god this. Is it so my vinyl thing was to to just end it. I thought you know. Every time i cur someone or go too. Far with someone's wife or something like my ex boyfriend. I cursed out his wife and then he broke up with me and that was the final straw. I thought that was the final straw ex wife and so i thought like ended. Domino's go this way and make sure we never talk again. And that's it that's fine and people get what they want you and you're you and everybody minivan like i really i went. I went to the car stare. Call and hyperventilating. You've described to me before when you get any stage he sort of blackout. Where you in one of these sort of blackout. I toyed towards the end. 'cause i don't remember it's embarrassing to watch it. I saw it on tiktok. And i don't remember saying all that and i did feel immediately embarrassed when i heard back because i was like i literally want everyone in the comments that he went too far. She's attacking your wife. And i agree. I'm in their house. And their kid was upstairs and their child was upstairs and i was like yelling and cursing all the way up the stairs and it just was really embarrassing. That part wasn't i mean. I was aware of it. But i was like. I just couldn't do anything. I just kept cursing all the way up. The stairs was say something while this quickly. I want to commend both of you for being together being the students. Really start from there. You know you're you're trying to get your relationship back together and it took a lot for you guys sitting here as yards. Let's just acknowledged that okay. And and so they're still allotted. Everyone's still kind of a hair trigger. You may need to clean up your side of the street but some of that stuff right. You're aware the make amends. Whatever to really make things okay but part of it is being willing to sit here and take that embarrassment or million or whatever it is so here we are. That's great even you just want to say so. I want to say that. I don't know what it is exactly. You feel when you get to that heightened state of emotion but in my mind. I'm thinking like oh she's out of my life forever. She's done. i'm feeling like we'll see like i said to. Let's talk later. It's never like oh you're out of my life forever. You know what i mean. Like she said something. Like i'm going. I'm quitting yada yada yada. She called the she said. I'll all these bad words and my mind. It wasn't like by forever i said. Why don't you leave and we'll talk later in my mind that means by front because everyone says that and then it's by forever like with every situation i've been in life like david jason all that it was by forever. I did one mess up. Where i went inside like a went on a rampage. And then they said by forever they just caught me off after being a year and a half together every day with both of them and it was just like by forever. And that's how it always is the right time to get into the the study that the test as some of the things you scored high on is associated with a lot of difficulty with shame abandoned man and you'll you'll blow things up as opposed to having somebody leave. You know what. I mean right so this all sort of born out in some of the data we collect ready. Get into that and before we do. I wanna point out. These guys are not our patients. They are not human subjects. They asked us to do the best thing to sort of you know just a part of his just sort of objective license w guys talked about. And it's interesting you guys. Also original conceit was we would get you to and measure your your industrial. Explain the scale. We're using the scales. We actually have a couple of scales and then somebody thought well. Why don't you test everybody on the air set which we did and there's been there we can talk about with our regarding that because we tested everybody so we are going to be going over. We thought it would just be me and tricia today. We're tomorrow on the podcast. We're gonna go over everybody else's results. Everybody's was the beat and we have to be there. No no no dan you you worked it out with with before you hopped on doctor and i'll cut this out. We can just hopped on. I was talking to dr young and and he wasn't positive if he could. But i kind of explain the situation and he already gravely ill up. I have last beat him on. So we'll see what it is by the way you understood. This is like a colonoscopy. I actually have doctor if you hours. Just if you guys could just like send the data or the door. Send us the scoresheet like he. He offered to do that as well but then he said i might be able to come tomorrow. And so We can settle. That i wouldn't. I wouldn't have dream of assuming your guys time tomorrow. And i'm very proud of you guys to help you guys out. We both might be able to do it. As i said i like the simulated that i've of the ask you about that tomorrow. Is it your first at first time. Ohno have something called lidge syndrome. So i have to have them every year So you're a veteran annual event. I get them out of the way they never gets easier. Kinda would not really never really. Well let's see. I'm thirty five so i guess in ten years i will experience my first right. They say forty. Five you might. You're just a quick aside here. I make my patients get these genetic tests You can give them. I'm not involved with this organization but it's called color dot com like color green. Co l. o. R. dot com and See the minority up there. I'm guessing ashkenazi is in your heritage. And a lotta dna repair abnormalities. That heritage and you have lynch syndrome. You might need cosby's while dr drew. I'll tell you one thing about myself. I did a dna tests. And i'm ninety nine point. Three percent ashkenazi wrongly recommends you to go to colored dot com and do the hard rock and jeans right will there are genes light that for other cancers in aachen is these jerry lot so you might check it out a good idea thank. You'll do that. You're shooting for you know. I think i'm good. I mean i don't know. I'm not bad but just other. Yeah okay wh- well i'll reset up so we all took the personality tests while that going on type you can. We can put it all up to. I don't know okay the whole cult. Yeah so where were we. We're gonna we're gonna try to set you present your down less to present. The data personnel has so what personality tested we take. Maybe you guys can start by explaining that. It's up to you. Know your your guys. We gave you to personality tests. One is called the nps the narcissistic personality inventory. And that was forty questions. Forty pairs questions where you had to choose a or b whether you agreed with point a or point be more and then i was able to sum up your scores on that test and come up with an overall score. But the npr. The forty questions are also broken. Down into seven subcategories. And i'll go over those with you in just a minute. Because it's very diagnostic. Second test that we gave you is cold dark triad and this is a test. That's been around for almost twenty years and what that test does it also assesses narcissism but it includes a measure of machiavelli anisim osha and psychopathy. Well how machiavelli. That seems like what would be a more. That's like sadism. What is that like sociopaths. What is that. No no no so The term machiavelli in isn comes from a sixteenth century. Talion politician diplomat Nicola machiavelli and so he wrote a very famous book in the sixteenth century the prince and essentially what he did was he advised this prince On how to use guile and cunning to get what he wanted so he's a term machiavelli. Newsham is always associated with that book. I i always have to defend machiavelli because he also wrote the republic and he ended up to the republic was the best form of government but he wrote the brands in which i advocated for ruthlessness if you have a prince while you while you figure out how to set up a republic so unlike so a clinical send someone who's maquiavelian is someone who is kind of manipulative or accounting or would you say yeah. That's exactly right coming engages in self interest often laxa motion compete the lissette s- You know these are good traits. Can you be narcissistic but also like an empathic. Actually care about people can be yourself and also care about other. People are now because it's an interesting the it's something that Some of the old self psychology theorists. They called it reverse narcissism. Which is that. You are so concerned with other people. You're overly concerned with other people. Because they trigger feelings at you. It still try your. Nc some people experience themselves first and then other people second some people experience other people's way of experience themselves in some people go back and forth. But if you're so focused on the other that your boundaries aren't able to be maintained where somebody's having a feeling you're sort of overtaken by your conscious sense of it can be all. I'm so in tuned. To that person i you know i. I have a special understanding of them. Really don't of a special understanding just your pain that sort of blending with their pain and it's hard to tell the difference we also call that codependency and to santo. so i have that i had that in spades. I do and i do had to get a lot of therapy to sort of sort out. Over is experiencing his mind. It's very challenging stuff. It's where you know. And i and i suspect tricia you you get to revoke by other people having a book. I read called codependent. No more because that was literally me to t last year. I just cut it. I couldn't survive without called codependent. No more was like you had to what otani last year. Yeah to every relationship. Like i cannot function if i don't if i'm not if i don't have someone in my life to lake manage me and like to also have someone i just i can't i can't function. I can't function without boyfriend of lots layers that you just mentioned another one as you used us your instrument to help you stay together to live together right and and that's again so it's all it's all you know. Please don't think of these terms you know. When you use a machiavellian people automatically go sort of south on the judgmental ism. These are just i. Try not to be judgmental and how you think about these things right. We all have narcissism to burying degrees. Not me why now. I'm scared i'm scared to. I was answering these. It was like do you like to look at you. Know the thing is like the questions fell a little tricky. Because like i feel like you phrase them differently like three different ways to try to trick me into like catching myself. So but but i should say this drew. I didn't invent the npr. This was rented probably close to fifty years ago. I thought you came up with these questions. I was like. Wow there's no it's it's been tested with tens of thousands of people and so the questions aren't really designed to trick you but designed to kind of make you think in the force you into making a choice between rights. These two pairs are so going back to two tricia questioned narcissism really is not something that is what we call a monolithic construct in other words. It's not just one thing they're actually in this scale seven different aspects of narcissism. Let me just read those off to you. authority superiority self-sufficiency exploited tightness vanity exhibitionism entitlement. So you can break the forty questions down into scores on each ago. Certain categories trista just as usual for narcissist to like hit all of those categories or is that what makes the narcissist or do we all have different levels of each category. You all have different level and drew niles and talk about the so-called good aspects of narcissism which consists with artie superiority and self sufficiency. And perhaps the not so good aspects which consists of exploitative vanity exhibition. Ism an entitlement when you think about those so-called less adaptive sorts of scales i mean vanity and is sort of was the last category that exploited miss before after that exhibitionism admission has in vanity exhibitionism. The didn't hurt anybody like those are. Those are sort of neutral only by exhibition. Like like you like walk looking at yourself or you like look. What does that mean. I know it means generally to be seen and to look at people right. So what does it mean clinically the same thing. Yes okay. I understand it and then another question i have about the test. If you'll indulge me is that on one of the tests there was like a sliding scale of like agree strongly disagree and there was like what i forget. How many bottles but like what is it. You're looking for. Because i felt like on a lot of them. I didn't have a strong opinion. One way or the other you know. So that was That scale was associated with deduct triad survey so that was different from the narcissistic personality inventory. L. it's not. It has nothing that had nothing to do the narcissism well in the dark triad. There'd be three components and narcissism part of the dark try it but why zip on the dark triad Well it's called the doctrine As these three things psychopathy machiavelli newsham narcissism of meant to be things that characterized people as as having a notional. Something's A are cutting callous. I solve interested in things like that. People put these things together into the scale to try to describe certain aspects of human behavior just sort of exploded you this by the way i think about it is if if you are a fighter pilot trying to make a landing on a aircraft carrier you want that person to be narcissistic as possible right. You want him to feel invincible. Grandiose knowing all up in that first your intimate partner. The problem isn't it like that may also have difficulty with empathy and envy and also in certain states much like we were talking about with tricia when she blacks out. Your feelings don't matter in certain states and she can't appreciate their skating. Remember that you have feelings. And that's part of the unregulated stuff that happens when when you get upset right dr. Can we recall the dark triad. I feel a little bit. Judgmental it is it has been that way. Maybe maybe we could just call it. The these people are fucked up. Tryout i think that in the dark track of his because include a scale of psychopathy and say kava theme writ large can be pretty. Dr how can put a mild psychopathy as a you know it. Just a nuisance. Let's do this. So let's start with the winner on these tests or no. Is there a right and wrong. Tell me who narcissists his. They're like someone that's coming out better than the other person with these tasks or not a comparison are you asking is one more narcissistic than the other actually is a very good question thank you. I wasn't sure. I love being at ice score. Now when may make up. I didn't know the put your scores in context. The national average out of forty is about fifteen hello Let me just of tell you what each of your scores are with down into categories and we wanna scored high closest to forty or. We want to score low. I think it is bad. It's in your perspective. I guess is bad. I think high more narcissistic right got guest. Yes so the forty the more narcissistic so it's not with Guess some as to what is part of the test. They just forty this what. who's the. What's the highest you've ever seen. I've ever seen a perfect forty. No but we have seen a thirty four. Oh so thirty. Four is like what do you do with thirty four. You just put them away. That's a famous score famous person. Who actually got that score. Who is a way to say. Because it's been an issue up until this day. Wait is in robin quivers. Believe arriving quiver contract. She's the howard stern robin. I remember seeing you guys do that test. And you saying that she has the highest score ever on. And i didn't know if that was stick or not. I think the big mistake we made. I've apologised robin a million. She's a with my apology while she is a nice assist. Which is that which howard loves. Ribbing are about ten Is that we because it happened on the air publicly. We assumed there'd be no issues when we wrote our book. We wrote a book about we. We've studied of celebrities and so we just wrote just in the book. Your highest where the lowest score. She took great issue to that same. All i'll rally with. That's really caused the problem i. She's right it didn't occur does. Is it happened publicly. you're right we should have wished i felt really bad about that so I was trying to master the honored. If i was in your book you can write about mannheim tristesse. I think trish is looking to get the is scores if she should've answered all the questions differently. Okay another okay. Okay okay on the narciso. Averages what are we just fifteen. The high the highest hospitals forty. So whether you got maybe fifteen eight maybe average for even okay. Well eastern actually got a seven. Oh nice he's he's very self deprecating and has a low self esteem as overall i. I knew you wouldn't be self esteem issues with you two. We have similar self-esteem. Okay let me ask you. This does insults me narcissism score. Does it mean that you don't have confidence as a human being. I don't remember now in we're gonna get to the specific categories in which those seven numbers fall a good so that means a so. So i've got a very good score. I think i'm good human being now. It's no no it is. Yes it is in narcissist and be a good human being. Yes not. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding i'm kidding. I'm really careful i'm kidding. She knows one hundred percent correct. Welcome putting scale. That nathan will no doubt. I swore off a skill somewhere. I'm fucked up on but let me let me say this. What does it mean. I feel like. I'm kind of surprised. And i'm kind of happy that that i might. Narcissism scale is low the way. Let me also say that. If you're nar seems glorious too low associated with sort of not initiating and not being graded or not not to be your own to sense things you need to air bets you call me back ground wondering it makes me wonder you react so strongly and is just my observations and some of the stuff tricia says. I wonder if this figures into that subway alabama and. She called me a cup when she stormed out your cocktail. She said she said your wife is a seaward and she said. And you're a coke so maybe that maybe i maybe i am. I watch wife have sex with other men there. You go loeser thanking. Which by the way i am not does not something. I'm interested in despite the flexes power over sometimes because he might feel powerless and other aspects. Ra who lit a seven on the narcissism scale. So you wanna flex the power over me because you don't have power a seven on the narcissism skill wouldn't do that. You see a week hated on the internet. Go start your power over me. But that's whatever seven what's yours ten billion a year ago Let's do the same with you about the national average steam highest possible. Forty whether using you stan. I would like to say. I'm right in the middle at like twenty because i don't think i should be the world but i do like to look at myself naked. A nice twenty. Let me guess before. So robin quivers comes in at thirty five you before see. It's so it's interesting that the top uppermost scaled doesn't isn't really reach for you. Forty that's like unbelie- you'd have to be like so so you stink. You're twenty averages. fifteen. I think you're higher than twenty. I think you're probably twenty five. Don't say well we know wow davies. Don't sugar coat it. Dr jones or very high on vanity exhibition yet right. That's your skill way over right away. So all right. So the big reveal is that tricia scored thirty out of forty holy. Missed it by five point. Yes you're i mean. I've got to be up. There might as well be over. Rob in like i don't wanna be thank you take it again. She wants that thirty five. So wait how so. What what percentage of people score that high thirty five thirty actually. A thirty four is what they call three standard deviations above the average which means that you're you're higher than ninety nine percent of the top one percent. Well that's a thirty thirty is probably around ninety. Seven ninety eight percent would have been like eighty percent or something. She's thirty five though you said no. I'm thirty. I wanted to be all right. I'm sorry i'm sorry. I'm sorry thirty so so. Wow let's break them down so you can see we. Also let's go back to easing from moment. So i was feeling pretty happy and then drew may feel bad when you said that. I'm like fucking basically called me beta. Look the remember this seven categories. Here you have cloyne. In three of those categories authority you get a three out of eight self-sufficiency of two hours six and a two out of six so remember the authority. Self sufficiency factors are considered the healthier types of narcissism. Right so you have five of your seven points are in those healthier catholic death thank you. Dr dr yang my man. Dr drew sucks. I'm just kidding thank you. I'm just trying to be entertaining air. But i do appreciate that in. I none cock. Interestingly you have six entitlement and nothing else in any other categories so so when you say oh so when you say to a six six questions regarding entitlement. I scored on two of them. So can you ardor know wondering like seeing. His wife has sex with somebody else. he stopped magruder. Can you do those again. 'cause i didn't quite understand say read it again from the okay so you've got three other bet's on authority okay. Six self sufficiency. Albert's entitlement okay. I have. I have to say that these are low. Scores across the board really It's interesting to us that the categories that you fell into authority a self sufficiency in particular are we'll be considered the the more positive aspects of narcissist. I think what we can really draw from. This is that as far as narcissism scores go. This is probably one of the best and healthiest scores. You guys have ever seen to say that said to low as bad to whatever thank you. Guys love dr. Maybe if you if you fire me from the podcast. Dr drew can have another podcast. He has like eight of them. So i feel like i can join one with him if you let me. Go talk to germany podcasts. You have plug plug billionaire. She's uncovered my evil plan. Doc and drew understands me just on yummy and this is why. I'd like that you'll be therapy. We got together. It was very entertaining. Me at dr drop. Would it be dr drew. Go ahead would be. Because i accident very well with with people with people with tristesse profiles of actually sort of freedom. Also you are pitched so you are as receptive. They would just be me solo holding it folding things together nick born. That's what i need. I can be fell dot. Dr drew has a co. You said you have an issue with a codependency so who does where that comes. In right zony unable. I would be unable to work. The show ahead of tristesse needs right. We have follow. Shell the shell favor and go gotta show. I just appreciate somebody my needs before show tonight. I wanna do wanna continue on by the by the end of this. I do wanna complain to you. Dr drew maybe you can set her straight about this issue that keeps coming up about money. She's always complaining about. Hey i'm not waiting about because they don't want to hear about it any not complaining about we'll talk about a point okay. So so let's continue. Sorry for the side note tricia. Let's breakdown you're thirty points to remember. The national average is fifteen vermont. Yeah thank you. Six out of eight on authority. Six self sufficiency. Well was it. Self sufficiency was not number. Five five to six. I'll take it. That's good yeah. I'm barry sufficient good and then three to six on entitlement. Six out of seven on them. That makes sense. Yeah for sure she. She's a she works in born. So i'm tap tap one percent on onlyfans three out of three on vanity. Whoa wait stop the perfect and vanity which makes sense because tricia to this day still thinks that me i happily married man who wants to fuck her. She zest with that. Yeah that is a condition. I have where he thinks literally. I remember next time. You think that. I wanna fuck you. You have a three or three on. I think i have sexual attention with everyone and it is a problem. I'm pretty sure not. Everybody wants to have sex with me. But i'd love to see the questions. Can you read the the vanity questions you mark is possible. You just give me your moment. That have to go back through as i would love to read what you said yesterday. Because they were really extreme. I do think very highly of myself for some reason. I hate my weight. But i think i'm very long on a scale of one to ten butte. Like ten being most beautiful wanted the world. What would you give yourself. It's so hard to say. Because i consider myself a complete package so to look at me. I don't think i'm a town but the complete package is most definitely ten. Three hundred three for sure did talking to zero out of three across review three on vanity. God oh my gosh see. That's what i said one out of three. You know what i mean. I told you had low self esteem. i know you do. I know you have this complex as you were skinny at one point and you have a complex you feel deal. You know what i mean. I do feel yeah but one of your way. Sometimes i feel like i have confidence but maybe just not physical confidence like. I don't think that i'm like like as a person. I have confidence but i also think i'm a disgusting fat fuck. I think we all to see your wife with somebody else. No big deal. That's our podcast this book by Guardian love him so he's did find questions yes lease let's hear the vanity questions the vanity questions merb'ys to question. You have to choose a or b. Cayo question says i don't particularly like schoff my body and the second choice is i like to show my body so i said i don't like showing off my body and you said idea i've always when i show you like my squirting and selami care luck but like this one would that makes sense okay. So what's next in the next one is my body is nothing special or i like to look at my body so for me. Obviously my body's nothing special and you like to look at my body. I'd light bo. Had about transferring looking at your. I do think my body is very attractive. Really okay because i'm out of shape. It's bad i have a lot of good gig. All i have a slow motion on my ass. Jiggling a lot of often about a confident baseline at my body dollars a month and how people look at my body. That's true so you have no reason not to while the last question is Like to look at myself in the mirror or i'm not particularly interested in looking at myself in the mirror. He said. now you're not interested. No i'm not particularly interested in what jogging around myself and these monitors myself the entire episode. I like the notice it see. I feel it my answers. It's like i'm not particularly interested looking at myself in there. That seems to me like a like a pretty sick like healthy attitude. No i guess. I don't think about these questions as yeah come on every dominated cop. Paula naive diplomatic. These are horst answers. Is that have predictive value about then. Dr june okay interesting. Let's continue. I mean i i i. I'm fascinated by this. I i never even thought vanity as being nurses i guess that is what i'm talking about. I would imagine it'd be well. Yeah okay interesting. I needed that. I'll take it's five of the vicious categories the last one is exploitative tricia. You've got a two out of five on that. That's what's exploited. Ns that's like taking advantage of of fake. Oh yeah i'm without my tummy. The two that she answered. Jeez i see that's the interesting. Take advantage of y'all like to be on the spread cash history if you wait a little bit and that also show up on the machiavelli's skill to crush. I've been called a manipulative person multiple times. Now i'm not. You are aware of what when you're doing it. I definitely feel bad about it when it's cold into consciousness but but at some defensive strategy yeah. I don't ever know what i'm doing it. I still to this day. The zave not manipulative but people keep saying it's like maybe i am but i honestly don't intentionally try to try and be as authentic as i can so people don't think that about me but we'll is not not manipulative. May rain can be authentic. And even in people think manipulate the audience by talking about borderline in general because this is a recent diagnosis as of last year. And going into therapy and it was like. Wow she's manipulated. The audience by saying she has borderline personality. And i'm like well. I don't know you guys call me crazy and then i say i have a disorder. And then they're like the manipulating and i don't know what that is like. I don't know where the confusion lie is. I don't think they'd be. But i think what they're doing people It this all the time with drug addicts too. Which is people. Don't like them to have a. I don't know how to say this to have an out. You know what. I mean when you say you've got brain disorder. That people have to be sympathetic to you. Re with you for some behavioral. They don't like being sympathetic. Saying yeah. that's it because they call me crazy for so many years. Never got diagnosed until i was thirty. And then they're just like well now. She's being manipulative. We all just walk around other on trash. I'm like waldo is hard when people know you're real life and they just see you online and it's like this and this and this and that's why i'm trying to be authentic so people can kind of see more me. But it's hard so i found a two questions for tricia on exploitative myths of option one is i can read people like a book more. This was sometimes understand can read people very well. I like a book. That's the thing but some of those questions for me. I'm like i feel like sometimes. I can get a read on people but i say to make a statement like i can read you like a book is like no. I can't re- people like a buck. That is part of borderline borderline. They like have antennas up to people's emotional states Both as traumatized and they're they're always ready to react. Why some the borderline process. We talk about this last. Do we talk about project Now i don't think so. So what happens. Would you guys were getting into your last meltdown. Which is that when borderlines experienced feelings. That are awful. They disheveled them and put them in the other person. And make you feel awful literally able to sort of inject feelings into you. It's a very. it's a various ba. Bad thing about what babies do when they wanna get fed. They make all kinds of noise. That makes you feel a certain way that makes you come to go. Take care of them. wardell people with borderline disorders. Use that same mechanism and it's it's it can be crazy making the person because you don't know why you're feeling all the things you're feeling and borderlines hyper be aware of what's going on in you like a book like about and what was the other one all right so the the second question is i will never be satisfied until i get old. I deserve i take myself instructions as they come. Wait what was the first one. We're never be satisfied. Five until i get all my god probably. Why did that so intense checking that. But i guess between the two. I guess i should get it. All my thought process when i when i read. That was like well. I don't think people necessarily desire. I don't think that. I necessarily it's the way it's written as sharp. It's like yeah. It'd be nice to be satisfied with certain things. But i don't necessarily think that i deserve like everything i want everything i want i do but i feel like everybody should think that i think everyone should think they deserve to me like a really. That seems like a really dark way to go about the world. Like i deserve. How can everybody possibly deserve everything. Humans are all created from god like we all deserve his blessings on earth. Like i believe that and everyone feel that way. We're okay antichrist's. I'd love to know how god's scores on narcissism scale. He would probably be a perfect score. Abc may that's an issue way to look at all right. Well this was great. So we have another test ago best which i'm assuming tristesse failed spectacularly as well about this has just before we leave the discussion you just had about. Those questions is an indication of how differently people feel about than their perceptions. Right you guys see things same question differently. Which is what is really interesting because to be totally fair. When i was reading some of these questions i could tell that it was like a i was a coup would mark. Yes on this. I mean not not to disrupt. Yeah but i was like. I can't even imagine making such a strong statement. As like i deserve everything in the world more manifesting. I don't wanna say. I don't deserve everything so i'm like i'd rather have question doesn't say you don't deserve it. Said you will not be happy until you get. Everything deserve better than y'all turn. And how i looked at any alternative option isn't that you don't get things that you want. It was just so extreme. But i was like no of course i. I can't again marquess to that differently. I mean that's fascinating right. Doctors what we really see different from a different perspective. Yeah that's what happening here. all right. so let's turn to the dark triad and that just call the axis of evil dark. Why don't we just call it. The our podcast. The dark chhaya third person. If we're going to try dr jill. Exactly because i can tell you that the dark triad has really kind of entered popular culture too because the Swat last night. I think somewhere that were rerunning episode. Where they were chasing this criminal and amazingly they said this criminal has these three characteristics machiavelli newsham narcissism and psychopathy and. They actually used the words. The non-drug this is something that we're gonna see a lot more of and trivial mcdon-. Let's get to it. So with the doc triad a high score machiavelli and ism is three point. Eight six out of five while. I'm sorry. what is pie. Three point eight six three a. Why the decimal because of the thousands of people that they've tested. I miss it so the average is three point eight. Sorry say that again. Point eight six at five is average. Okay you're pretty even earlier. You asked about the number of bubbles like the strongly disarray. I got an also. That's a five point scale so on five on narcissism a high scores three point six eight at above got it and then psychopathy is a three point. Four and above and psychopathy is sociopath e. I'm assuming you know people again. This is a debatable point theoretical about this I make a distinction between sociopath. The encyclop- sociopaths are people that are manipulative and really. Don't care or don't really appreciate you have feelings. You're just there served. Their beats psychopath. Doesn't have feelings though. I think they're really kind of assessing in this scale sort of people's ability to appreciate emotion. I think that's what we'll talk you. Are there any good psychopaths. It's a good question. There is such a thing as pro social psychopaths. My aunt there are I have friends that work in this field And you know i i. This is don't get destroyed for this. This is not my opinion. An opinion a couple friends of mine. Who work in the field of psychopathy. They feel that bill clinton was a pro social psychopath He was he was interested in doing things that were good and good legislation and helping people but he had no trouble exploiting this young insurance. And then a big social psychopath but Fucking intern really. Because i feel like a lot of powerful men do that. They're just like yeah fuck. The intern obviously. Did you see the clinton affair the documentary now. I haven't i should watch it but it's much more profound really so working. I watched that just to see dot not to just curious. I think it's on net flicks. How did i not natural looks page. I'm watching that matt carroll. Look it up right now. But but it was. I'll find is called the clinton affair. Apply it what he did today. Really watched this real quick over years really was something else younger. I like envied monica lewinsky. Like i thought oh she. Spain for fucking the president. I wanted to be her so bad that she was like lucky. Like what is that. Because even like i wanted to like be with michael jackson i wanted to be a jerry lewis like all these people who like dated like minors and stuff. And then the intern. She's famous president. Like i want to be at this level where analysis parodying me like. What is that. Because i still like. Obviously no it's wrong gross now but like i was like like i romanticized. That was so cool. I wish that was me. I still wish it could be me with the president. You know interesting. Things i mean. That's sort of machiavellian as yours. Anything to get the job. Done this sort of machiavellian ism and that one question you answered where i'll do anything to get on my knees bad or whatever that was. That's kind of that. isn't you. Want the fame and you saw that. They achieved it easily. I was like that's all year. The game was the president's there. I yeah that was the end. She was like sexual. The president wanted her. And i was like. Oh i want that like the president wants to. That's cool like i thought that was like an honor. I would love to have sex with bill. Clinton what's fun. I had the same thoughts about. I'm just kidding. The on that place. I think he's gonna watch the shit out of that and i should. A battery was away. All the scales fell from my i. Roy was unless i interesting. I wonder what it means about. Hillary too because she stay with them. She knows what the kind of guy he is. I mean it's very It is very You know how should be aware of this Tricia people with borderline disorders tend to be very attracted associate pets. That was the best to them. So it just when whenever. Why is that why nobody really knows that. I know of it but it would get a sociopathic gonna aboard line on a drug unit together. We'd have to go to great lengths to keep them apart and calm. I wonder if this because the sociopath knows how to manipulate them and has no qualms doing it. Maybe baby and the borland sort of believes you know what i mean wants to go with it. And they're very entertaining and makes them feel good. I've never broken up with her boyfriend. They've always taught me. I've never broken up with someone. True story. yeah. I don't wanna lose anybody. I'm dislike to stay even if they cheat giving us diesel make whatever. Cd's yeah people on that. What's that trauma obama. You hear the tone of your in your face a little tan in the okay. It doesn't matter. let's jabs at me. No i say one thing about him. It's like happen i. it's not even more. i just noticed. Oh yeah baby hands but next year. Face your huge head with your hands. I don't say that because that's rude. I should make up baby ends next your face. It's on amazon. Prime amazon prime. Let's move on some people have accused tricia of being a black fish note. That is not. It's someone who tries to look black fi eighteen percent iraq in doctors. Here do you make about black fishing. Never heard of a no comment. Yeah okay let's continue. Poor doctor dr young way over his head. I what i was getting into willingly came back looking at the dark triad of let us go through ethan scores on machiavelli and you got two point. Thirty eight and remember a high score is three point. Eight six below that level quite significant a three point eight is i thought you said that was the average or that's the highest assisted hot and what's average. They don't really reply but anything above three point. Six considered a high number. And you're a two point three three below average yet again. So i okay nice. I mean that's good. I feel happy about that narcissism. You're a two point. Four four and remember the high score was three point sixty. So you're you're below on narcissist. Feel great about that too and then now is that consistent with my previous narcissism score because it seems higher the it's consistent. I think it's consistent. It's the scales are a little bit different a little bit higher narcissism on this scale than you are on the other one but not so i see and then on psychopathy what point seven seven two. I'm for that. So what does that mean about me. As a person doctors if you would analyze me based on that again do what you want to call me a doctor. You just tell me. I'm a great person. Perfect okay i'm finished. I'm just kidding we. We all know tristesse the shit show here so well first of all i take. I like being the titles in the headlines. The attention frazier complain about. This has the saying like maybe. Why do you complain. Why do you complain to me during the show. I'm the one that i quit you. Text me you stop putting me in the headline. Stop putting me in the highlights. After because he wanted to continue the show without me today to get the revenue on this without me. I said let me be on. It's all about revenue about. It is using true showers are going to do it without you. Yes you said. You were hunting ways. You said you were going to do the show without me by no we talked. No i was just going to explain what happened by using the title. He's as ethan said. Don't use my name in the title of you. Don't need it. Because that's like. I'm not getting the monetary value our drama. Okay anyways that's the dark triad over here. I'm just kidding. The doctors don't do that. I'm just kidding you. I honestly we can only show with them. I feel safe with them year. They actually know what they're talking about. Honestly like the one. Look you feel safe with them. I don't know what's their score in the dark trying to. I'm scared of you for being too low on the dark triad like. Why aren't you a little okay. Light a life in yell little life and made doesn't mean that i'm lifeless that i'm dot low on the dark triad. Nobody i worry about you coming to your own defense being able to really worried would wonder about good boundaries which is again why i think drinking. It's it's you going. It's get standards. Dan you know me. Do you know me farewell. This point what do you think about the about the narcissism the dark triad low scores. I think that it tracks. I would say the only one that surprises me. A little bit is Is what was it was. Was it the maquiavelian that that he was like a one point something on was offici pro psychopathy because you can't be pretty conning when it comes to jewish route one eight years shrewd businessman and you make smart moves. And he's not really want addressed the highlights he goes. I have no control over. The highlights gets your channel and your employees. You have all the control over the highlights. What are you talking about. But i guess maquiavelian really means well into different things right. It means more manipulative. And and because to me. When i when i do something. It's not like i'm not i'm not being deceptive like making making good decisions about business or relationships. I feel that honesty is is is is a large part of of how i maneuver myself and business and relationships you know but but like when when you say psychopathy again just a clarified. That marked by a lack of emotion is out that means or or way up on that scale emotion. Okay okay. I see and emotions yucky human which is good. I'm human very human extremely human. I think overall if you have a low score in the dark triad basically was saying that you know you can to not be manipulative person. Not particularly callous. You're not particularly selfish. Kind of things that a low score would indicate. I think it's good to have a lesson. So let's let's talk about agree. I feel i feel happy about thank you. Thank you guys all right. Well that's being are assist. Let's nice to know so tricia on the machiavelli anisim. You got two point. Six seven and remember. The high is three point. Eight six so again. You're you're relatively low when machiavelli newsham nice narcissism three point five five remember the higher scores. Three point eight six. Oh god that's just with your mpi narcissism score though bit high but nothing out of control average probably because i'm below the high though you're almost all high but i'm not high at that linden in a three point zero and you know kind of behind numbers reports four fine. Yeah that's all. If i could say she's not a saint like me but she's like a plebeian but i'm not fucking way in turn no but but even that's kinda surprised me because i think hyper motion right yeah together. I didn't understand that score. It didn't didn't fit for me for you right. I feel like i am 'cause that means you have no emotion. Psychopaths have no emotion. Right so the i. That is sort of hate promotional. I wonder that's a fighter though. Can we hear some of the questions she tracked on or that she she raided low on. Let's let's let's re about let's revisit. Yeah let's re. Let's be honest but this of course now got tired of the test i took. I don't know if i can mix the two. I had zanex and then i took a purpose at is that effectively out. Well if you're taking a test about the intensity of your motion and you're and you're all fucked up on ninety about the tests and download it. But then i had back pains. I took the do not drink alcohol on it. That's what does that mean to very important things. So that's good because that explains why the say copy test didn't make sense to me and the drugs absolutely will adulterate the test absolutely. Yeah because you're feeling way more away was on the second task because it was too many like strong disagreed. I was getting them all confused. I was like this is too many boxes. Big big dogs does at heart but about number two do not ever take. Opiates benzodiazepines together. That's how people died absurd bearable together. Terrible gerald gerald. Do you can take your accent or you can take your xanax. But not both together all those celebrity deaths. You've seen always that really. I was alcohol and painkillers. or nothing. like opiate bans. Look at how the capita these xanax. On boom south relocate. How far apart can you take them or hours. I think it was like an hour. Apart for rail are good. That's not good. The doctors described that shit all the time like that and it drives me crazy. So wisconsin for both give all of. What is that prescription. What's your pain. I was in a car accident. How long ago. Awhile ago. But i have chronic back pain from it. That seems like a bad doctor prescribed percocet for so long right. Dr drew not a great idea. He had i get the surgery. Plastic surgeries prescribe. Yo percocet so why you. But i get them from the surgeries foolish. We'll do they get michael jackson. I'm convinced was getting classic surgeries to get the i really. I've seen that many. And it just sort of it just sort of an added bonus to the surgeries have. Oh my goodness. I would think michael jackson of all people could get anything you want. Anyone he did. They won't michael jackson eventually. Come to some mike ex. I forget what what it was the show. Some extraordinarily strong all. I never heard of it administered outside of hospital. When when i heard bogle is shocking. Yeah well like. I said it was just for this last part of the test of first part i did a different day and that this was a bull as long as somebody who has a perfect score in the dark triad. I'm worried and i want you to please not mix. It was one time. Well i've done it. Be on us is not one tire. Okay but one time that accounted where. I'm bring up something that maybe you guys can address. I know that you romanticize people who die young legacy. I do that and so. I don't wanna die. Oh my god. Please don't fifteen hundred team. I don't want to die. I know you're not suicidal. But you know. I've been to me. But i know you romanticize and you're also obsessed with your legacy. I think dying young you become more famous and more notorious people will miss me more what i'm deadly. She was an icon. Even though now don't use it as a problem she's taking perkins says he's taking zana obsessed wine okay. I don't. I don't think you think you're a drug addict but i'm just saying i smell. Trouble is the exact same thing as being jealous of monica lewinsky. Exacting biz. I'm jealous of somebody that gets extraordinary. Fame by sometimes laudable means and you know so what's his name from the doors. You know he's he's forever icon because he died at twenty eight. Might you jim nelson. Yeah well it's a it's a jealousy and and be careful. Jealousy and envy for narcissists people narcissistic features can really be a problem. I'd be envy is very problematic dealers. There was more like when anna nicole is live. Everyone was making fun of her and laughing at our and then when she died. It's like oh. She had such a sad life and then there was like empathy for her and i was like well. That's me like an marilyn monroe. She had schizophrenia right before she died. But everyone try to make fun of her and she and then she died like while she was like a paranoid. You think you the only way you'll ever be understood as by dying early. That's the only way. I'll get anyone on my people. Even people even people who advocate so much for mental health like. Oh that's too far. Oh she's got a control when that's the whole point is i can't get it under control like it's so hard but people do support you. You're wrong so not sure. Why do you think. I mean all those videos all the comments on the last one which you knew were all against me they were all just like wow laying. How do that. And like all the i mean. I don't know how to convince you but you have a lot of supporters especially since we've been doing this soda doll wanted. I do not. I'm not trying to kill. You don't wanna narcissists. I know you don't wanna die. I'm just saying the fact that romanticize mind. I'll just say that were happens. I don't mind when my time is coming. I'm a catholic. I don't believe in suicide. I believe i need to get having like. I'm also jewish catholic. She's not jewish converting care. But she's not well. I'm on my way to convert boyfriends in israeli jew. You don't have the You wouldn't even make one hundred away through jewish conversion those they don't fuck around it's not like dunk. Jewish like the the the christians go. Dunk your ask. Your christopher now is not like that. I don't really mix on honestly. I didn't know you weren't supposed to be completely clear. I had the. I got my stomach pump one time and they never told me that they weren't like they weren't like don't mix the two. Just don't do it with alcohol for like no one ever at home. We don't make a painkiller whether they didn't have sure they did that. Drives me crazy that people give those both those medicines together and don't give you a warning. The problem is if you're not hundred we do care about you we do. I don't want you by and by the way you're you are having a deeper impact by getting conditions treated and then talking about buying gatsi. It becomes this weird sort of mythological thing you're being very realistic and forthcoming gas are relatively common conditions. Call sign you have in the you have cultivated all the levin. Hey jr in the world right. You're done that's been your thing for a long time so it's gonna take a while for that to settle down. Hopefully what is it about. So the soviet take the opioids and the benzoate it slows your heart rate. That's the problem in your heart is just like i'm sober. I'm don. I can't beat anymore. No it's a the. Opiates suppress your spire tori center. Oh you stopped breathing. And when you put the ben's on top of it really puts rocket fuel on that and you just stop breathing. Shed gosh. I'm scared because like everyone Notice like my neck. And then i went to get my thing checked out on my neck. And they sent me to an ekg get an ekg area because someone said you have caller. I wonder if i'm dying up. No you're not unless you're on a bunch of drug. He's saying were high. Then you start something on you remember. You told me yeah. Yeah pointed out until i went to a some entomology. I don't know someone who specializes in the neck. And i'd like at this thing and i got the blood work. I got a scan and then they sent me to a cardiologist. And i was like no i. It was all last week. It was very comments saying patricia has something on her. Next should get a check. I don't see now actually. Don't see it on. Friday gene wilder. I don't know i couldn't do it either now. I'm scared about it without. What was your thyroid. Why just want like literally. Thursday to get all my test. I went to like the quest lab place to get my blood work. And then i did my ekg. I haven't gotten anything back. This is all like last week. They told me what two weeks ago. And then i was. I should get checked out. I guess which makes sense. Because i think there's a whole thing but i can't lose weight and i've been eating healthy and working out and acne so i just i don't know i don't know there may be something wrong with me but today that does added to the list well So you guys said just a sneak. Peek tricia get so mad. When i do this watch not just the snake trying to trigger me interested so mad and watch those because i know that you will because when i'm not talking about you you get upset much. Just what. You're gonna get mad when i talk about this k- i no okay. But good call so on our episode. That were filming tomorrow as a teaser. You guys said there are some interesting results there yes. Tricia is not alone or the leader of the pack. You hear that. Holy shit. S- as i know it has but i can't say her name her you can guess i mean i can guess you think it's either. I think it's she who must not be named you can say her. I'm scared of best. Any retesting females mark. Yes to yes. But i think you guys are going to be very very surprised tomorrow our time so excited. So we'll talk with you guys. You can make it or not. I totally understand if you can. If not we'll just we'll we'll. Dan is the only one that knows the real answer. So he he'll he'll officiate in your guys us stead. I'll i'll play doctor for the day but doctor first of all dr drew. He's everywhere that's everywhere. he's on. Youtube he's on periscope. Even well-placed people are on periscope facebook instagram. He's on your mom's house. Dr drew after dark. Dr do live dr drew. Dr drew dr drew. Just go. dr. Drew dr young. You teach at usc in the marshall school of business model. Oh you're white your business your business. Oh so what are you doing here. I work in the entertainment business You know the the human behavior part of economics and accounting. Oh how interesting and well thank you. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to do this. It really means a lot that you will come on and do this i. It was fascinating so vile thoughts on. What should we do anything to change it springer. Okay what is our final thaw again. I think the lowest we hope that these tests to provide you with some inside him to personality dimensions. And perhaps a better way for you guys to understand each other as you understand the scores that that we've talked about but just because you have these numbers doesn't really mean anything about having a disorder say would just trying to point out the different traits that you have danced on by taking these instruments. I i completely agree with that. That that is virtually my thought. We'll take that to heart but thank you. Well that's my that's my next. My only concern is your guys relationship. Well here's what i think is gonna happen. I think i think you are going to use my low source somehow continually in salt man. Am i allowed to continue to insult you as yes no no. It's fine it's fine and yes you're right but you will. You will continually use the fact that i a saint philo allow and by the way the fact that i score so low on these tests is probably the only reason that i could sit here. And do this show with you. I think that's more patients rather than narcissism. I think you could use a little more do agree with that doctor. Doctor was read that the reason you can sit there and do the show and make it. Entertaining were virus there. It would not be entertaining. Would-be dr drill guys again touch and do a shell by all means. I think there should if you and i worked. Do we'd have to be aunt. Look it up to be focused on somebody else. Not taking phone calls that kind of thanks and that would be different entertaining. We'd have are you pitching. Is sean my thoughts together on that. Show that show dr drew. He did not line. Let's do you do it. I who are you to give people advice on anything. That's the whole point. Is i'm not your typical like doctor or a little quick. With all right you got okay. Okay god bless bye. As roma's talking would not be interesting. Because i'd be. Are you know you are dr jill that comes in and fox the wife and ruins the fucking marriage. That's you right now. I love. I mean i think most wise would love that. Dr drew was that person. Okay well if you're gonna cheat it would be with. Dr durham i sharon. Let's not forget about that. That did you do it very bombed in your jacket by the way you're married right. Dr drew thirty years and allows me. I'll be that this is something upfront Ethan is going to be to threatened to happy ever back on the show. That's true this fact that unless you can watch then. He's by the way. The fact that i got this low score such bullshit. Because i feel like i'm a confident person. I will gladly have you back. You saw any defensive over that you know. Because i know i know that you're going to keep using this even though you're the cycle saying why can't have one thing like to dig at you for gecas. Perfect human being. You shouldn't be able to say anything about about that. Can use any of those against insecurity their part. That's the part. I'm concerned with the which is the love you both by but because it's entertaining. It's kind of unstable. This relationship and there will be blow ups in the future. There will be do. That's another question. So if i see her is like turning red and she's like gone which i saw there and i dunno to do so sh what what do i just walk away. I mean what. What do i do. Can it just like the walkaway they disengage. What didn't you may be in the middle of a show. And you're trying you have dual Yeah we're on camera so you're trying to make make a show and you want to not trigger her so much but you have to get used to de escalating things and then. I don't know how to late when she goes in rushing so the nanny thing it was a job. Why don't you just be like next topic. Oh i my bad parent. Tell me why mom washing my kids like you just have going for it and as an object. You could've been like all right. Let's see you know what i mean like. It wasn't job but that's what makes the show interesting. You can't let that go learn. Where the wine is you have to relearn ahead just off. But i. I felt like at that point. There was no saving it. I could tell it was all the most came in. Everyone's making jokes and all of a sudden. I'm like wait. Was that all jobs at all. Just like when it was like a very serious too just like that. My leg started like snapping. I was like oh my god. I would be trying to just trying to make light of it. 'cause moses walks in with he away to get pizza. We have a total meltdown. He comes back with. We were all happy when he laughs and when he comes back. It's like we're it's like nuclear right. And so i was trying to make light of the fact that moses came with the pizzas and i was like hey moses the pizzas are apparently. I'm look to me look stupid on the show like i'm just embarrassed. Bring the not on camera. But that's what started on like while you're trying to make me look stupid and look bad in front of people like for. No reason was given all that. I would use tricia when you start feeling the way. We'll bring that up. Because i don't think he knew you're experiencing that you start to experience shame humiliation and all that stuff that you're talking about you have to say i'm big trigger. These fields bird with respect that but also to say like when i said that thing about let's not tugela. I was gonna cut that. So sorry if i made if i embarrass you in that moment but my intention wasn't to broadcast that everybody either when i said the good news is now when you say look i apologize. I really believe that as compared to where you guys were the beginning of the show so whenever we whenever we've done you guys are sort of in a veteran. Certainly a better more connective place right. Now we'd by the way we did talk a look. We talked a bit before we came on account of buried. The and i talked to l. ready to like that was like the big thing for me because i'm more embarrassed about what i said to buy you. It's whatever it's fun. I really don't take offence to anything you say anything. Here's what i'm saying is i. There will be future fight. So i guess i will be back which is funny because of the timing was unbelievable maybe we just subconsciously like maybe it's time to just go wild. He's coming nextwave goss. One less thing to think about net is think about a lot of celebrity marriages. We have to celebrities together. Often during survive in the reason is because if you have to high level narcissists relationship just explodes so maybe what we've discovered earth that if one person is high narcissism and the other is not. That's why the sure works rhode. I'm saying i'll take. That's true. I thank you for the observation doctor and basically I think and. I think. I think we i am on. My opinion really is that. I'm willing to make it work and there's nothing you can say or do or are you could say and storm out. Whatever it is that that's gonna make me abandon him okay. But but but tricia believes you will they because he wanted to take a break. Didn't want me to be on this show like originally you said gonna do the show with you but you want him to take a break you on immune to take a break when i did not want. Oh so that's like pushing me that's always trying to explain to but you know it's the problem is between ila and moses. Okay they have a family. You kept saying. I don't think the shows like worth anymore. I actually live well. So the problem is that tricia really has issues with bannon and when you go down that path it's fairy evocative for her. I will not abandon you and what will happen is she will abandoned you before you have a chance to abandon her. And that's what i try to. I try to be like you know what you can't fire me. I quit so i was like. I'm going to quit. 'cause he kept saying on asia rely this chose not worth. It's not worth the family drama on. I was like well in that case. And i don't care about you and i will quit the show. That's not good. And by the way i don't take that seriously because i know what i feel like i know who and how you feel in your heart and so when you go to those places i don't take it personally. But the again what israel to her real and israel. That's what i'm saying. Showrooms around. I know i know you come around to be really careful with that because it can be a problem so okay. Listen the the issue is it's external it's not between me and you necessarily. It's about what happens is about what sometimes you say we've talked about boundaries before it's about what you say about eighty family and the subsequent had this conversation off camera is always on camera where i assumed it was like for the show. You don't mind me poking at it. It's like reality. Show where you just say stuff to poke people. And you never told me off camera roll boundaries but i was wrong international boundaries on our show like you literally say say to say that. Somebody's brother hates them and their mom by the wedding was so clearly a joke where dan joke when i said i mean just beyond everybody. Perceive that as not being a joke. Go ahead dan now. I mean tristesse right you guys talk show all the time. I don't know i. I don't think you should have been as offended as you are at least without having the conversation off the air. The conversation off the air agree. But i wasn't offended. I just said we can't talk about this. I said you la doesn't want to talk about the family different things now though not offended. I'm not offended by anything. You ever joked him down in his. I'd invite you really think. I'm going to my dan and his girlfriend over joke. Those same signs his mom there was a different comment. Where you said it wasn't that same circumstances like his mom either clearly and if it's on a joke it's a joke you missed it. Whatever but it's like. I said it was one time you cut it out and you never address. Why you cut it out. You never said. Hey don't do that's not cool. Never you just cut it out. And then i was like okay. They just cut it out like not a big deal. He just didn't like it or whatever but you never want that. This is a serious problem. Like families intention of are no one told me anything most intimate unit as well as an off handed told you kept talking to him about how you can talk to me. How am i supposed to know something. I'm saying offensive to people. I took it as who we one incident. And then you have to back me up here but don't unless you agree with me. Is that continually through episodes. You're always making comments about moses. Not being close to his relate to his family doing it and you never camera that you don't like that and stop doing it. Used to always on camera you just like the way you poke me about everything in my life you do it to me. That seems like an obvious boundary and on the show. I'll be like you have the sub saying that. But you're right. I i agree with you. I've getting give us the boundaries. Are you guys need to talk about. That's for me. That's the only boundary and speaking boundaries. Where we hitting the exit about five minutes buddy. What are you guys. got something to do. Sorry what a couple of doctors. You got. Nothing better to do very okay. Dr drew dr young. Thank you so much for your time. We'd love and appreciate you guys so much and wish you all the best. Thank you so much. okay well I love those guys. I love them too. I love dr drew like in a nice way. And he's i think he's he's handsome so that makes you want to do. It's a little uncomfortable. Because i because i have the conditioner i wants to like me and like oh shit we you know dr do doesn't wanna fuck you but you have three on vanity right so you know you never know okay. That's true but like you have to temper your feelings about whenever you think that definitely wants to fuck me just remember. I do ever three to three on unbagged which means i do wanna fuck or what it means. Your filter is is fuck shot. I guess i just never been turned down by someone. I wanted ask. Society is always assume everyone was. But yeah you're probably right. I'm not gonna lie. You'd never been turned down. What does it look like when you try to fuck someone. 'cause like i never initiate it. I always have the person. So that seems like a confirmation bias. Would you mean if they're trying to fuck you. They're interested in in you. Yeah but like every guy is obviously obviously obviously not you or people that are married or really shipping. In general i had. I wonder a place to stop place. This gauntlet down. Okay dr drew then. I will agree with you. Know tipped the sex goddess. I bow down to you. Yeah well most. What his motive scary. Ease out. the you know what i mean. It's all part of its for love of the game. It's not about him. My god beyond those really good. How did you feel about the results. No surprises now. I think nurses bad of a thing you know. I think people people that are on the narcissist sociopath. They throw those words around so much manipulative. I hate when people just throw things around like. They're like like like like their doctors at know everything i'm like. Okay let's calm down. Think was a really extreme high spectrum. It is very it can be very damaging but it seems like it seems like obviously you you. You scored pretty high on some stuff. But like not crazy. I think the vanity and the exhibitionism was the two parts where you're like scored really like not hurting anybody ever. Yeah you're not. You're not necessarily exploiting other people because you because you think you're hot holiday. Get you an unfollowed. I got me on follow from you. When i sent you my on for the did cost you that one did i was like ooh i would follow you back immediately. If you stop posting it you know. I understand on instagram posts. I've always seen it a few times. Thank you. I appreciate one over there on my feet. I don't know how instagram does that. Show you don't post that much. But i do like yours when you post him. Thank you so much. See we i have to say. I'm kind of surprised. By how low i. I didn't think was going to hit very high. But i'm surprised by said eight and it was a seven. I knew i just like you're not a narcissist. I mean there's a lot of things to say about you. Like you're a hypocrite and stuff but like i think you're only flocking is data's i mean it was a compliment like there's really not what am i say about. I think you are somewhat hypocritical of like things like the contradictions. Where you say. Oh it's not the same thing when it is like the not to go back and forth but you just you really don't think you're auto was even on that scale. I'm not saying let's get the duck the thank you admit you're wrong. You're only it's like you really don't think you're wrong most of the time like what did we do wrong like. You can't even admit that you like five percent wrong in that situation. I fully admit i was wrong. I should have cut off now. You come around to it but it takes you a minute. I full yeah. But i mean i agree. I fully shoulda told you about that. Boundary before we went on a hundred percent and There's something else that i i mean. It's crystal clear now. Obviously that boundary. Obviously i'm a goal shit like it was such a storm but i think overall leg i get it. I you know excited for tomorrow's episode yelled better not miss that And you don't care. I just can't i try so hard because you're my friend and i try so hard like watch it. I think the. I know you love them but i just think the everyone so warring hand and like i get it their pop pop in popular. That's like me saying. I don't like david when everyone loves him in. Everyone loves you guys. So it's not a job or anything. I'm just i'm just really curious about who's off the charts are we. Am i being fired. Like dr drew has offered me as i mean. Maybe i mean unless you guys but so but you guys have time to figure that out because we this is officially are a last episode of frenemies not forever. We're taking a two week break at the end of the year. We always take a two-week break because we'd like to let the guys take time off. Good we all work really hard. I take it personally when you said you take a break. And you're like we're gonna get breaking into a shadow. No it wasn't you everybody every year. And god let me take a week. We take a break at the end of every year to give these guys who worked so hard time off so they can relax a little bit so this is our last week and we'll be back in january. When is our first back on them. If you have a calendar in front of be well it'd be the monday or you know whatever you guys will see it. It'll probably the week of the eleventh or the twelfth really. We usually post on tuesday. So i mean potentially the twelfth jail god. That's so far away. Yeah what about the first week of january. What about it. That's the one that one of the weeks we're taking off. I said to the last two weeks of december dancer. Okay then the fourth the fourth or the fifth of january jones better at this on the fifteenth of february share. I'm gonna be sad. I'm going to be sad. And i think it can. We also say that. I talk to and like say that or no. You can talk okay. We talk on the phone and we but we did talk yesterday. And like i will say like one of the cool people not agree with it but i thought it was like the coolest thing when i obviously embarrassed while i was calling like l. The words that i said yeah it was it was grows in cringe and whatever and when i apologize. Eela she got. Oh that doesn't bother me. And i was like okay like instead but it made me feel better like you know what i mean. She understood whereas coming from now that it's the right. I'm not excusing me. But it did feel like i thought. Oh that's pretty fucking cool like that. She's kind of like is fi. Like i get that stuff doesn't bother me us at all. You can say anything you want. That's what i'm trying to say. The boundaries is family. I know but i'm saying that we get over that that's fine. It's the it's the family. So that's all i feel like if someone were to call me that like that's ex boyfriend broke up with me. I called his ex wife and he literally was like she. because he's a cock like he actually is when he tries scored zero on that scale. He was like anything. she's like. Oh i was doing patron. Haven't he's just going to this but she had because she was crazy and he's just a little talk i'm not i'm not touching that fucking no word at the map like calling people. I don't think. I want to reiterate. I never once ever since. She was reader disrespectful. Just wherever i actually never said that about her ever like combs two compilation. No please please i challenge. I'm going to find me saying that. She was rude or unwelcoming. When i always had the opposite. Maybe we're awkward like moses. I am awkward in general by the way. I'm wearing teddy. Fascism designers is even design. Or is this a team design. What is a huge team that works on graphics and mansa everything we do as a team. This is really. it's got teddy bears with little crystal. I mean i may be yelled at me and said don't wear teddy fresh so i wore supreme show today and you showed up and from china might be offering better word tatty fresh. I gotta h three mugs will be available soon vintage mugs. Al salam come to me to actually four now. 'cause you gave me to when i was on the shelves on i have a collection which i really drew open a shop. He trish is going to be able to open her own merch shop of of on the fox. You get that chocolate. Milk pulled a chocolate milk on. After to our sugar's a little luck. They took him about to pass out. I'm just gonna w refrigerator can talk to. The fridge is a so called. I just got up at eleven on my way here. I'm sure it's fine. Yes probably surprise. You pulled it out of nowhere. The chocolate milk not get another. I wish we could get another peace offering pizza. Because i'd eat the with the right wayne county. I should have thought about it before. I was i eight the fuck. Even what was i going to throw it out. Even i was so sick to my stomach and then like i was so sad about it. 'cause it was my idea and motivate moses. Why don't you grab the pizzas on the way out. I that he left. That's why he was down here getting the pizzas all dude. That would've is like fuck you guys. I'm taking the pizza. Actually all all of us were standing around having really pizza party and then i wasn't even got blue jackets. Pizza is the best seat again. I'll concede when i'm wrong. They gave the thick crust. And i think it made it way too heavy and we all got sick exactly. We should have just the regular. I concede once again the tree box. Everyone thinks got sponsored by that. The pizza hut trucks everywhere. Everyone ordered it anyways. We're all good. I don't motives from his family. A apologize like i want him to be with family and we all want to the wedding. I want like crazy and we. We all wish the best for you guys. I mean genuinely so anyway. We'll be back. Oh and by the way tricia got me. The best president average. Got me a playstation five. Which i should should've i know i. I didn't know if we were going to have that house to pick it up a b. Can't come drop it off. I won't stay. I'm not that person you see them. Wanna put you out of your way. Come here. I would like to give you a pizza needed together. We can me. Why don't you might have already had it. Why don't we do. We can make like a tiktok or something of like christmas miracle. The pizza party now the real miracle miracles. I got it at retail value. I did not pay extra told me. She said i got you. Christmas present is appears five. The first thing i asked is did you buy it on stock x. Because i do not support those mother fuckers who saw that should markup and. I've refused to buy from them. And the perfect aspect is that she got it at retail from someone at best buy was like just for a shadow and the price. But hey i'll take it. I love the show. A shout outs worth way. More than what will the reason i told you because you were looking at your phone talking about like shit. I feel like he's going to get someone. And because i already got it i have no use whereas like i should just tell him so. No one tries to scramble to get it on stock x. Or something because we all these guys. Everybody's been trying to get. Ps five none of us have got one psi hook up. I mean yeah a. b. in zach. Dan i don't think you care. Then abe even has his own team in the discord. He says none of us can get it who i'm just understand. Who the fuck is able to buy. These people who know general manager the best. Buy just bods though. This is so fucked up. I might dream. Is that all these bodies by the ps fives that the sony gets their shit together floods the market and they all just have to sell it under retail. Because nobody you have one. I didn't get you any games or anything. Like download them. okay. I dunno new games. That's honestly such a thoughtful gift. Thank you so. I was so excited because we talked about during gogo and i guess that's what i'm going to get them and then i was so excited about it and i've been thinking a lot about what to get you and i i really don't anything when i say i don't want anything. I like really be next time. You buy myself also told me when. I guess i'm gonna give them the reciprocate. I get angry. Get angry disappointed. Maybe i really don't expect it. Because i do get myself. Everything like i'm seeing tonight and he does the best gifts i'm like i need to get something great. It will also tonight. I don't know what like cartier bracelet. Like the year before he gets me like all ow not saying you. I'm just saying he's like he's the ultimate. We both the same gift giving so then. He's by four because he's guy you know what i mean so it's hard but because i know you like jewelry and all this bullying and stuff. You don't get anything. I was trying to think of something really thoughtful like this minora. Like how do you have someone that. just like. Your blinked person. Something from them to i. I should have brought that have that. We'll shade ebeling person. Because i have good ideas for that but i got you another thing but i didn't want to be overwhelmingly weird and being curious guests. I love gifts. I love giving guns. Me blinked wait until the new year. I feel like i actually kinda has to do with our set a little bit too. Can you put me until you burling person. So i can bring you out sometime. I have all the blink things i need. I have so many blink blink bling. And i bring everything you really. You know what honestly say imagine saying this like these cops are honestly like the most awful thing is the fact that whoever remembered that i want to use engage gave them to me and me. Oh well then that's to me means a lot and i really mean that. Like that's cool. Like for instance like okay. I really wanted to pick backpack from shane and sold out or whatever but he gave the white one. That wasn't even. I sale yet for my birthday doing other things. But that's me was the most thoughtful. Because i was like. Oh shit so we set aside. I don't. I don't know if you've got it but you ask for some teddy fresh. That's all sold out that we sent you. I don't know if it's i've got it the day i got. I went home and stormed off and then there was like a tidy back. And i'm like boxes like you. Is it open. I did open it. But i was going to do it on camera. Felt like inauthentic real too. So that was nice. Yeah no i appreciate now. I remember i made a special note should this. That's what i'm saying. That's means something. I saw these. I did get really excited. I was like oh my god. That's really nice. You'll have a weird of you do love those mouse these months and i stole steal me game to each of the thought how cool and you'll gonna make throughout tristesse at so if you have to use them come to my house will have a set for everybody and i do try to hang out with you. Is you guys that you never tried to hang out socially with you guys and we did try to plan one time. He said after theatergoers but at six o'clock but then it was the end of the election. And i got chaos and covert stuff like that. But i do try and hang out with you. Cova thing well but i want to socialize. I like to. I want you as part of i wanna be a part of the family our apart. I want everyone to be together. So i try. I know it's cova. But just to make that clear. I want to be in but i think nuance and you made it sound like you're asking every week no and then about. We won't talk about it but he said something like that could be this weekend. And then i never heard from you and i'm okay. I thought it was like oh. We got busy. And i like okay. This was the first episode of the show. Am i want to be a part of you. Guys live and by his first. I thought like truly like when i first started dating like moses. That would be a good idea because was like oh then i can get close to you guys like i really wanted to and not unlike a user way but i was like. Oh that's so cool. Because like i was like i liked you guys. I was like this is a good like in obviously is that. I don't know a monkey million as the either way. I really like you. I wanted to be part of this. It's why like from the beginning. I wanted to come to your house and be a part of your lives and everything but successes of this channel you lame jokingly mock say say you always say uncomfortable you are here and you hate word guy. I'm super. I need to get over that though. I'm just anyway we won't be here soon. I understand this is. This is my home turf right. So as your home firm because it's your channel your employees a studios a much more neutral about it. We were like on the real housewives of bravo right and like we had this fight like bravo. Employs aren't gonna give a shit will like on more personal attacks. But because it's used. Do you know what i mean. We'll even your family and said everything but if it was you show or no one had anything invested. They'd be like yeah trish get online. Get the personal stuff going on. That's true it is. I'm learning a but but for the most part they just sit silently. Unless i ask but but you're right these are my guys right and they never. They would never go against dan. I land dan kind of folks over. Sometimes i'll tell you. I'm dan under the bus service was shut because i always have enough star. He didn't want me on the show from the very beginning on friday through my ass under the bone. No no he wasn't doing. You're bringing awareness like. Oh i think because not to throw abia the bus but he summarize video wrong thing that i was. I have to be screwed me. Because he's like she's mad at the chess on like what. What are you talking about which is like watching something on my photo but also ab summarized your video poorly. It was what the you made it. Sound like it was like all trashing us thought freezing. I wanna be maybe screwed me on that one so he did say after. I was already charged up an angry angrier. You and ready to talk about it. On on live he goes. Maybe it's not as bad as i made it sound as the as well. Why didn't want to be fair. I didn't talk that much. I didn't really talk minutes. Yeah i didn't. I didn't have forty minutes in the morning we're working. Us hawk forty upn which was founded. The video with me to comment had nothing to do with the video. Dan mentioning bring up the point which you now agree with him. Like oh maybe you should amend right and then you at the time what it was. It was nice. Yeah thank you yeah. They're obviously going to look right and he's right dan's right and that's what i like. How the expense. The moi's to agree with me. And i like when they when they put me in my place so to speak is just plays. It's just like nobody different church. They give me an not putting me in my place. I was trying. I was trying to lead into a joke. But i hit the brakes on it. But i appreciate when they give me that different perspective and he was right and so but mostly i blame aby on just kidding. I'm just kidding you can say something all right. Everyone wants to say something. Ab the simp- his heart by the way ab before you talk ab recently one heartthrob of the crew do agree with that. Just like most attractive crew member definitely. Okay while you're going against the eso what would you give them all at one though ab ab at ten am i don't i never liked young guys. Generally when i was young. So i would say like a five out of ten the bar and lower friday we are. We're a bunch of that's awesome. Yeah but that's young. Heartthrob at five is brutal. I mean That's awesome absa. Say number five okay. So when i summarize video. I was going word for word for sentences but i did say at the end and dan quebec me. It sounds worse in text. I recommend that you watch. What do you mean you were re image. By the way our show starts at twelve live and he sent me the summary at like twelve fifty goes. I recommend you watch. It's like dude. What am i gonna do. I just wanna say that. Has chris back. that's all. I'm saying. I swear didn't express myself that the comments were really rough on you. That's what i was trying to say now that you made that video because the comments i'm like during not the initial the video of the comments because of you is. There was nothing bad about it. I didn't know what people are saying on the three during the low on the on the front of me. I'm sorry i in front of those comes so that was my were for the most pro. I was just trying to confront him with the comments. And i kept saying like how amazing i think you are and you lows talented and like how. I wanna be a part of this all done when you guys came without like we watch so after all that too. I know what you're videos kinda. They need to be edited down a little bit. I people then you then you made another one. That was like an hour twenty hours a a girl. I got time for this shit. I've got a. I got you know what i mean. Yeah i felt bad was put in all fairness you may diverse attack. But he on my birthday. It's fun and that's when i had the math overdose and went to the hospital. Okay whoa right there anyways. Are you loss at the streaming to. Oh my god. Oh that was so weird. The guy who wants. I've never heard by the way no us. We're gonna talk about it on On on our next podcast of the week ling next podcast. No will but like this guy. He has like twenty thousand subscribers on youtube. he averaged ten thousand views per pogos. I'm not saying that it's not a good podcast because it doesn't have good view. But i never fucked her to the guy itsel weird. Because i i was going to the street who eat a cosc- sucking well. I was looking for pictures of who won best. It's marking either logan david or you is for sure and then i skipped past like wait. Where's the podcast. I was like. Okay who is this. I was so confused those like oh maybe his. Because there's there's lots of content on youtube huge craters that i've never heard of a no surprise me so i look up. His channel was like the fuck. Is this guy. It's it's weird. I don't know whatever all these internationals awards is a bunch of bullshit like. I mean seriously. I would go nominated. Actually i wanted. I haven't they just they. They they emailed me and they said Be ready because if you went send us a video accepting that maybe would win okay cool. Maybe we'll win. That would actually be fun. Yeah for sure then. It was like some dude. You never heard of against ten thousand views and again not doesn't mean it's not good. It's just on what are weird setup though to be like oh get ready to send us a video if you weren't gonna because it usually tell the winners not to bring up. But he knew he was gonna win an award and he just food in new york. 'cause they told him in advance who's going to win with shortages. The fuck fuck mall. But here's the thing like i'm not saying the guy's doesn't make a good podcast. I've never seen it right. But there's like a billion podcast to get ten thousand views per episode right. Why was he nominated. There's something fishy. Yeah it's up for sure. Last year tannen up the steel south of steel way that his name not name is shitty. What's up what's that's the name. No but seriously what. What is this guy story like. I'm jamie shetty who is like what is his story. Like even logan paul. Who obviously you know gonna win. Obviously i've been in and out with logan paul in terms of things but like i would understand if you won like the guy's been through a lot he makes. Good product has a podcast. It's big it's popular. And so like that would make as part of like a redemption ark goes like. Oh i think and if logan paul one i wouldn't even complain makes perfect sense win last year too. I don't think he did. I think it was. The views are amanda which which by the way disney even on fucking youtube lazy on that podcasts. Forty minutes long and they have twenty other people talking. I mean water. what are the metrics in it. And i'm not complaining but like look at everything we do. Look at everything we put at last whole who nobody knows comes in like what i just. I like some explanation. I demand on the stream. We that you were sitting out. I'll take a nomination. I would've gone to represent you. We've been nominated every year really. Always the bride's yeah. Yeah wow and you never one never never okay. But i never expect you have to play ball with these people to do. I should probably won because he immediately emailed them back and was like yes. I'll fly out. I'll be there ready to go. There was all over via the there was no audience or anything. Oh right right. And they even said. Because i tried to play ball a little bit. Because they're like be on standby 'cause if you win you need to send us a video acceptance or immediately and i said i'm standing by ready. Okay i'll send you a video. Because usually i just don't want to go there schlep. So but this year. I was like okay. I'll send you a fucking video. My acceptance video was going to be snarky. Though i was already thinking about it i was gonna be like. Thanks for the best podcast the but you know too bad. Joe rogan obviously wasn't even nominated has like a trillion more than me. I would it be his co host joe rogan. Let me on the boys club over there as in a real. I wanna be a call. It's not enough to be in. Every you wanna be on every episode of the joe rogan. Podcast well if he has like if scoring state level low on the dark. maybe he's a narcissist. Do you think we had. We think he'd like me. I don't know. I don't know anything about him. He's definitely going. But i think i follow knows. All's i know is a heat. Up dismay so bad. That's so weird. I don't know i couldn't control it. That's where you really smell it played. Did you really be real i. I don't know there's a little bit. Why do you have to be really bad now. I don't know. I think something's wrong. Leaking urine. He smelled that. He's like dude. Leakier in canting are you wearing depends or something no just is it s- court is it squirt. I think your dog. New i love. It's very odd that you use leaking urine. I want to know more about it. He wanted to be picked up. I don't know. I think i think my has this happened before. Never it just on all the time. But i just find that so hot. I need more information about it. It just came out. I have no idea maybe should see a doctor. I don't know it honestly just happened. You don't know smell dog. Came right to me when i did it. Fred you're so sweet you like you. You're you're like sitting in. He said yes. Yes anyway enough. Yes so we're on good terms. Everyone's on with me anyway on not getting into any of the past the thing that you just feed your pants most. Br it smells bad. It's gross. i'm embarrassed right now. Can we not talk about it. But i have to understand this phenomenon. I've never done that. Let us pants reason medical. Wrap it up. I find it fascinating. I don't want my dog in your urine in my urine. It's obviously finding something comforting about my body. Ashley never comes to me to like. Let me hold so sweet. I love him so much fred. You're the best ever take him. Take him for a week over my dead fucking dogs like dogs mice part. I love them equally. Said that once right you'll equally as you're trying to bring up anything but obviously theodore in a burning fire. I but i think i love my my. I love my pets. Like i love my children. Yeah obviously there's that that means different things it doesn't mean like there is a priority but you love you if the house is on fire. I'm going to grab you. I if i have to save one but like i love my dogs. My dogs are everything to me. You know what. I mean you would let theodore burn you said grab him gave grabbing theodore odd ravello for together that theodore burn. No all right. We're we're back but we're not. We're gone for a couple of weeks so we'll see you guys in january something. The beginning of promote the podcast is on that they came for you deport. Will we have to come back and responded out in flats episode of the year but we have to port is that his name did their podcast and he was making fun of awkward and he didn't. I don't know if he knew is transfer. Here's making fun of your twitches in your hand just sucre. I didn't know what to say. I did defend you at the end of it. Because i was like. What do i say. This is so uncomfortable. Defendants tvos apparently. Oh my god why it stevo does hates me too. I don't get it. But yeah i appreciate that. I don't. I don't remember what he said. So i'm not i'm not. I'm not attacking steve. I like bill. He really needs a bitch. And i'm gonna fuck him up. I actually. i'm not going. I think oh yes no well. Maybe we shouldn't fight he after that. I love jewish. Like i'm a jew. Oh he's actually someone who wants hot young twenty year old pussy on what i mean did. That's what i don't. I don't like guys like that judgment on that. But i don't think it's odd that has a podcast with a eighteen year. Old dude like barrow. Can you fucking to hang out with like a bunch of young tiktokers. You freak a lot of people do that so there's nothing legally wrong with them legally. Of course i'm not saying it's breaking the law some famous tiktok those machiavelli that motherfucker narcissist you build serve anyway. I can't wait to see. Why are we promoting this ass. Podcast rottkamp we see. Apparently apparently he made fun of my torrential. And it's awesome. It was weird attack. There's a lot of things to attack you for. I don't know if i go for that as my first well literally like. It's it's better to call you fat or something like foul put on me control. I can control my way so hey calling me fat. Whatever but if you really can't control how look at that fucking idiot taking out. That's what he said. I love account. They've porn is going down. Boxing match is big or small. I think he's a big. I don't see really. I think he's big. He's has a little guy. He looked pretty big. He very mask energy. New look up his height dan. They've courtney of because. I'm thinking boxing match a boxing. Math six two. Yeah he's before. I'm not and he's pretty fit. Macho guy. looks like a little guy. I don't use guy energy. I don't think so. He that mask jockeys. Like the logan paul. Twenty years later i get little guy energy from courtney. Oh my god. Let's be thank you for having me on the podcast. No one else wants me on their he. Let me speak my feet about the demilio. Addison rae although i don't know if he let me or to gossips about like sixteen year old girls like i don't know what do we do. We do it. But his co host is like a fucking fifteen year old. dr eighteen. yeah. I lower the age but whatever he just turned eighteen. What apple mytalk good guys. Thanks for watching. I guess we were okay now and stay tuned for the almost. We almost didn't make it through this last fight. So thank you and honestly thank you. I was embarrassed by last episode. I appreciate forgiving me. It takes a lot to deal with someone like me. I appreciate you guys for being. Still i wanna be a part of your family and your life for the money and not keeping million. Thanks for watching.

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#230 - Someone On The Crew Is A Psychopath & Papa John Calls In

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#230 - Someone On The Crew Is A Psychopath & Papa John Calls In

"To welcome everybody to very special. I would say it's kind of a christmas special except i feel like this. Is the christmas the tears. The families are so like now. It's not a merry christmas. It's a Unmarried christmas too. Because today christmas right right. That's of course our first lady Thank you for that zach. Let's just get right into divisive politics right out the game. Today's episode is sponsored by liquid. Iv and harry's we have back with us. Dr drew and dr young who administered the personality test to me tricia on frenemies. Dave administered a personality test to all of us here to dan. Zak in ila myself. Ab lena also a b. but she's not here the deal in as there was no time for to submit lena's okay. Oh i have a feeling. She's probably fine so so so. So here's here's the interesting wrinkle now. Dr young one of us is apparently off the chart. Is that right. that's correct. Not with the pejoratives often well one of scored higher than tricia correct once on some dimensions. But on the okay. Here's you got the narcissistic personality inventory costs. Would she wanted. she's looking for. Yes exactly so. This is very interesting. So we've all been trying to guess who psycho among us. Then get before you get to. Who's the psycho i. I have to respond to any show that went up and social. Media's going a little crazy so so doctor dr jew personnel hold on. You got out of a colonoscopy we need to. I literally the reason. I literally left the hospital. Here's why i taste. I still have my stupid tag on. Did they tell you the results you have to weigh the like. You're absolutely right. It's all good lynch syndrome. So i have to these on a regular basis and mike. This is far. But i promise you guys ever tried to come in here and i was telling you before the mike's heated up at the felt very much like yesterday show but Remain continues on media. Should know so. I read the comments. And dr drew is being a visceral rated in the calm. Yeah we'll actually compared to what. I used to getting on social media. Your your fans are actually kind of pleasant. But he was. Because they're gonna buck oh you they're they're fine but the note is and i understand why they feel this way is that i was in validated. Your feelings i was siding with tricia right and in a way i was. I was trying to get you member. One the original goals when i first came on the show is to help you understand and manage trish right right right so doing more of that. I end to be fair. Mean she has some stop and she's been very open about it and it requires an approach. And does that if you don't if you don't use that approach. Which is you know. Certain kind of containment things spin out of control very easily so well no from. I'll say from my perspective and all the guys also here in the studio. I did not expect that reaction. Yeah i i was here after the finished and Everyone saying it was great and then we were all surprised by the comments. I was surprised that everyone was that. The common sense and i feel i understood that. That's what you were trying to do you. did you one day. We need to help you in any way support you need. I feel like you know. If i say i felt that ethan was really handling her very well on that one episode where things blew out of control. I think basically what it was is that he was trying to explain my position. He i feel like he's totally. Fine and I do think we learned a lot from that episode you about tricia because we actually get along really well no so It was just the miscommunication kinda go out of control those little bit. If you remember anything yesterday i was trying to get you withdraw from some of that. You know it's a no win to get get out. Don't delay thing anyway. So we're good. Yes we're good your dam. No no no. Of course i never. I was surprised by that. I understood what you were trying to do. And i wasn't at any point like this. Dr drew doesn't get me and he's just on tristesse. I wasn't feeling that you know. Yeah okay so that so. Thank you for clearing that up. Yeah guys be easy and poor doctor. He just had a camera up his ass. Closer to two days in a row yeah. Today's come on for guy back or this. Okay so now in our mets is someone and forgive me for saying this doctors off the chart psychotic. Now we're trying to guess we're trying to guess who it is for example the characteristic be of that person like how do i so find it. I'll the so basically the doctor. We took three personality. Tests are sorry to we took two personalities one of them is a determinant of narcissism. And then he was worried. I don't think it's you but you is worried. And then the second one is called the dark triad see. I learned a lot from the lhasa which basically is narcissism psychopathy and moore and Machiavelli which is my favorite. Basically like this person might murder someone yes no. Let's not do that. It is essentially again. We we went to great lengths yesterday. I don't wanna be too repetitive. Because i'm sure everyone watched it but basically you know machiavelli is is like conning it's like a conning you know a manipulative stuff like that. So that's just the one so the first one let's first start with the narcissism. Okay so did anybody score high on the narcissism test and then. I want to try to guess who it was yes in addition to tricia to thirty out of forty there is one person who got a twenty eight out of forty. And there's another person who got to do. Is that even possible. How can you be so selfless. I've actually never seen a too. I feel like they're lying though five. I've seen a five. And and i actually worry about those people with you. Don't have a healthy narcissist right. Either we'll do. Do you ever wonder if somebody's lying on this test because it seems outrageous. Well you know some people say that they tried to second guess you know the the answers to make themselves right certain type away but the survey is designed in such a way that very very hard to do that for every question especially on to some kind of time pressure so what we try to do is to tell people. Just write down your first emotion. You know with the thing to see the thing that the answer to their resonates with you immediately. And that's what we try to okay so we have one narcissist and we have one pussy. Why with well. I'm just trying to make you like super self. Hating self loathing is how would you characterize someone with a two on narcissism. Are they pussy. Are they self loathing. How can we demean them. I think it's a question of demeaning. I think that These are just seven aspects of human behavior. Yeah yeah yeah yeah it. Tell me like what what would be a personality defect to someone with a two. He may have trouble with self-sufficiency. I could see and Leadership may not be a great quality. Right maybe harvesting other people You certainly are going to have issue even issues but you don't feel great about your body and showing it. that's okay. this is really interesting so on the high. So i think we all suspect zach is going to be the narcissists just because you get up to the weird shit bro you just get up to the weird. Ab main thrown. Around in the air. To see i would suspect e abc of being the The really forbach better words to do now. I think maybe ian no in's crazy. No i think he ends normal. What you guys. What am i. What am i here passing judgment on everybody. Because i organize all of this. I know the answer. So i don't feel like i should really shines for fear of giving away i am should we say What tristesse was yeah. Sure what you yeah. Of course she. Maybe i like. I don't understand myself that i could. I worry that might be both of the options like no. You're not the to maybe vic. I hate looking at myself home. But i think i have read a lot of contradicting audience interested in my mind so i wonder if i'm would be one of the two anomaly. Which is insane breakers down mart shore the different component. Okay well well. let's all take. Let's all take a guess and then butts breakdown. Zack in i'm abm forcing you guys to to take a guess. Well in terms of the two i mean you mentioned previous. Show how we're both kind of self haters. Also how she described herself kind of how. I feel very similar like i feel. I could be either way. So kind of feel like meals to the narcissist is My boys for folks. What's the evidence for that and everybody knows it's you and since the moment that i mentioned that this was the case. I want to point out that you've said nothing but that it's definitely you. I wanted to know my shrink on standby you know like well day. That's you know what i mean. We're not here to treat you. We're just here to call you out. Why are you not saying. Anything is the narcissist. Because i'm selfless thank you the to i mean i've kind i'm loving some people refer to me. Is that really the patron saint of the podcasts. I give i give everything of me to others. I think is normal. Take a series. That's my guess. So you think you're the narcissist now you're selfless kind all giving your the to. Yes i think he thinks the nurse. Now i already did. I already did the ad faith. And because he revealed his results with tricia yesterday so maybe we should made that clear. I was a seven right. Is that right. Dr seven on what out of forty at of should also tell you guys that there are three people. Eason's one of them who have scores under eight. Wow is too. there's a five and as a seven era so this is a very low self esteem crew has announced for the rest of us. So we make it far. We don't know so tell me who's oh before okay. So what's the average score. The average national average is steam very low so so let's start with Let's start with who got the lowest all right ready. I'm here what was it. I knew wait. He's he lot e and you lied on the test. No why do you think so. Because i feel like he's not that insecure or i don't know if it necessarily means insecure or something but i just feel like he's really he he's just such a you have so many redeeming qualities. Feel like you should be more narcissistic narcissistic for you wait. You're telling me. I i don't myself i mean that's what a lot of issues with the sleepwalking. And everything and you caught covid. How so tell me on the tell tell me about i feel like i am not surprised because i unfortunately do see a lot of insecurities i guess. Even though i don't agree with them. I think in his great. I think he's very talented. So tell me skimming some guy. Yeah he's more that he's not interested in using that those abilities to get something from the world so he is the same as he pointed a to work if you're a member of our our lowest score amongst celebrities was that Child act wants. His name read raccoon news and he was a very nice guy. And just a very very south good sense of himself and was not didn't blow self-esteem he just wasn't meeting on the world. It's what is the lowest score you've ever seen the two to choose the lowest i've seen. Wow hard the lowest we've ever seen on this so tell me. Which points did he score on. Tell me the two that he He scored one point on authority. And one point on exploitative nece to hear that one. What was the question the questions were for authority. I like having authority over of people. More adult mind following orders and he likes having authority the authority over other people interesting and then on the explosiveness. He's the question. Was i can read people like a book. I love that floor and people are sometimes hard to understand. So he chose reading likable. So you're you're you are perceptive so this throws a wrench in my whole fairy. Now yes i thought. Ab was going to be the two and now really now. I'm really confused. Let's just jump right to the narcissist he'd be i'm not sure whose name that represents well. Abc's the guy ab wave and the cardigan different names. Dula is his real name. that's probably abdul us abdullah. It's all dollar sorry. Sorry john last name. I had some surprises with you. So keep okay. Well let's let's go right to the the narcissists let's see who scored the highest right. Well turns out you second highest score twenty eight out of forty snack exactly nurse assistant piece of shit. We do it. Okay talks my friend. Okay i you just thank you so good looking. Don't you know i. I'm deeply insecure about myself. Nine years to get all the girls. Don't you know the truth. Be told i am deeply insecure about myself my body either. Listen to that that's part of narcissism elizabeth and this should be on kidding. We love no. Let's hear a very tender core that they protect by putting an atmosphere no sell on top of themselves they get to feed themselves to protect the core right and and that's really how i think of narcissism so the more of the borderline things there's other stuff going on but the exact just describe really well i think of narcissism. He just said he was insecure. For chri okay go ahead. Let's let's hear where he where he scores off the chart for us. Yeah okay so On authority he got five out of eight on superiority. You got five out of five. Oh wavering those questions a five out of five hundred superiority zach. I love it so superiority or when people couple let me i get embarrassed or i know that i'm a good person because everybody keeps telling me so. Know that reminds me that so reminds me. Kazak always tells us anecdote how when he goes to. The grocery store asks the cashier house her day going and he thinks that makes her day better. And we all. We all laughed. Because we're like she doesn't give a fuck if you ask hauser day you gotta you gotta put a smile on. Someone's face okay. Keep going on the next question. I have no better or no worse than most people or i think. I am a special purse. I think you're special person. Well thank you clearly. So do i. The next question is compliments. Embarrassed me or i like to be complemented fair. We all like to be complemented some more than others. The fourth question is. I wish someone would someday write my biography or i don't like people to pry into my life for any reason. You wanna biographies act. I would love a by. What's the story telling everybody they're young man. He's got a lot of life to live. No question is i m much like everybody else or i am an extraordinary person It's the i mean. Yeah you are extraordinary. We love you can play guitar. You're funny you're beautiful. thank you. But not the heartthrob. Yeah we are have you. Doctors no was recently dethroned as the podcast heartthrob he was replaced. By a as the power cast heartthrob by seventy five percent vote. Now how do you guys do. You think zack is going to be coping with that well because those two our friends at. I'm wondering if that's gonna be causing friction between them. Take another poll next week and see what happens after this episode well. Let's continue so superiority. He got a perfect score. And let me give some some some results on the other side. Given what jackson's just said on vanity. He only gets a one out of seven l. k. and unexploited business. No questions at all. No no mark's mattress damage. So what what do you mean by that you mean you're not exploitative person. He's not exploited person. He's he's not out to us people. Oh yeah that's is. So you're just a sweet narcissist. He's a very nice nurses. He thinks very highly of himself. But he's not trying to burn the world we liked that also on entitlements He only score the three out the six. I'm relieved it wasn't you eela. I was getting worried. Because i i don't know i'm kind of curious. I want to ask about because they feel like i am like such country dictating taught sometimes like on one hand. I can think oh. I'm talented and then on data and can think i hate everything. I do an awful. So i was wondering if i'm anita aside and we review results on the narcissism scale sure. What did so. Let's get a drum roll. What did he lescar. Let's take a guess. So you said fifteen is normal. Skin is fifteen is average. Okay move that drummer. All all right you lay your score. Out of forty is eleven. Oh yourself was saying. I mean obviously not a selfless as me. But that's really nice. Okay nice must be nice. I feel like you shouldn't feel bad about that. Back because you score high on like self value but low on exploitative. I think that's very. Yeah yeah you explain yesterday. A lot of these metrics you know some of them are positive or potentially positive traits while others are more negative. You sounds like you scored higher on the more positive self confidence ones. I hear it because you guys have a tendency to put you know Valence on these. We make everything back in judgment. Who failed the test. I know so. Tell me where ula strayed from the enlightened path. Would you please doc. It's interesting because Her scores kind of distributed across five different categories and it is in no particular category issue high. So i would say that. The ones Where she got little bit high guess is exhibitionism. She got three hours seven really. When is that. it's like would you like to be seen and look at right. Yeah the once you she flops. On their so interesting exhibition is a mula. I don't that maybe maybe let's find out absolutely. Because i just think of that as a porn category i mean right doesn't everybody i don't even know so i don't even know i was thinking of her to be like. I mean recognize fashion and every thinking about porn. When are you not what might not so here. Are the three questions related to her. Scores on exhibitions of the first one is either. The modesty doesn't become me or i am essentially a modest person. So wait which so. What did she answer. Because kind of rate it's a great example of how it's a force dance answer very similar. One is a predictive value in the has interesting. So which one did she answer. She answered modesty doesn't become me which is kind of like an immodest answer not yet honestly. There may be a little bit of an english barrier there. Because i still even right now. Don't really completely understand the difference so modesty doesn't become like i'm saying i'm not a modest person i would ever. What's the next one different different. It's like i'd rather not be modest burs because it's not attractive on me see. I don't think i understood that. So what's the next one. Let's let's see the next one. Is i would do almost anything on a dare or i tend to be fairly cautious purse. What you would do anything on a dare. I deny this answered do anything on their interesting kind of bizarre. Got a couple of days. I'd like to ask you about later. I want to smell fit and think about it. I mean. I guess. I guess i don't. I'm not really a cautious person. I don't think right. I was about to say you have to think of it. In contrast to the other probably saw that. And you're like well. I'm not a cautious person. Describe yourself as a cautious person would you. I think that's complicated. The better option right. That suits you so the next question is i don't care about fads and fashion or i like to start your fads while share that one makes sense because he's a fashion designer so it's kind of struck a little bit home so those are the three Which she she chose to narcissistic choice. Interesting and again kind of looking through the survey is really nothing else that that pops out as significant to our debate on authority or two the seven on superiority and then a two hour seven self sufficiency see. I was thinking you would hit the authority. One hire because you seem because you la is a the c o creative director of her own company. And i would assume and you seem to handle authority fairly well and dictating to people and think i i think i do but i don't like to see myself as i. I like to see myself as part of the crew like even with teddy fresh. I like to think of myself as like. I'm in the trenches with them. He's feared by her employs. She rules with the iron fist. I in my head. I don't think of myself as like i got the. I don't know so she is the prince. She's both feared and loved to go back to the monkey. Dalian ism yellow scored on those on those brand. Yeah that so is there any other. You said there's something interesting about ab that will today. be score. Just turns to that. Look at ian sitting there all night and i know. How do you feel about your score. Yeah he's our little. Buddha not surprised and the sunday services really got You're not surprised really. Are you doing schtick. Never know just about the national average maureen out of boredom okay areas. I guess three where he got some points For thirty he got a five out of eight lou Self sufficiency take over the show sufficient. Together four out of six and then entitlement. He got a three out six. Okay tell me about entitlement. Well the by the way. Dr young can i ask you. What does it mean that. Ab thought he got a to. I guess self perception is different from the way that that he answered things when when kind of put on the spot in sometimes very hard you have a feeling about yourself but when you're asked very specific things perhaps something else comes out. The i say it's it's part of the misconception of what narcissism is that you guys reacted to transact articulated the feeling associated with it. I think that's worth seeing here. In fact you'll see on some of the upcoming The other tests my brain is not working very well but Abe has some other interesting narcissistic. I often feel you often feel small insecure. When you're interesting interesting we are going to go to a quick break. And we'll be right back with our doctors and our psycho staff liquid. iv board. I love liquid. Iv and. either. I don't think you've actually tried it. But i am liquid ivy game. Here's the three flavors of life you've got the immune support the orange. You've got the energy drink. 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When you i think you rule the world look how property looks to anywhere in cardigan and glasses and his watch. What were the other ones. Dr. yeah okay so x one. I insist on getting the respect. The jimmy are usually get the respect. I deserve so he insists on. That's what he answered yup interesting. Ab i mean. I don't know the way i interpreted is like. You have to earn it. Basically like it's not just given which. I respect so somebody okay. What's the next one. Last one is I have strong willed to power. Oh my god or power for its own sake doesn't interest me. You like power. You definitely wasn't necessarily about liking power. Is that in my life. I've always liked gravitated towards leadership roles against my own will sort of like i see. Yeah i was president of the biggest or on campus. I mean these are all minor but Which i didn't want to. I was made head manager at a restaurant that i worked at which i want to make things. I'm sorry dr. Don't make me saying. Don't make me sing dora. Yeah like the restaurant. I just i got very close with Co workers one of them being my future wife. And if i didn't step up and take that position the other person they would've would've made our lives hell so i did that even though i didn't receive as much money as i did as a waiter and it was a lot harder to be a lead manager rather than just say or while in school. Ab are you trying to take my job. I'm trying to be your under study. I'm trying to be your apprentice. Yeah we we all know the story about the friend in the master right trip to croatia and one rogue wave reverend. Your service can i ask. Why the cardigan today. I'm just curious zack. Trying to come back for the whole. I'm just i've never car to get. Why are you wearing a cardigan cardigan or in the presence of doctors. I'm trying to come in a full suit to after dark last. Did you buy you wanna go toe to hold on. I mean it's true a. b. you have never worn a cardigan. Did you buy that for this show or or did you always own the cardigan. Seeing it seems to be some friction between them. You guys can tell the doctor. That's a fucking sin because they're both competing for a heart throb and i'm married. I'm not competing. But but in this. I think a be in the same sensor is like i didn't choose to be the heart throb i didn't want to be the heart throb right right. I just chose to wear a carding in today. And just cut the and who is basically planes of enlightenment his disengaged he is in the serial realm of 'cause handle new level. He's in nirvana. Yea ah so. Let's talk about dan. How about dan score. yeah there are two other scores. We haven't done one. is dan. Dan eight hour forty really you. Maybe even more narcissistic than you. Apparently one point one point. Dan had one category where he expanded a great guy. Well thank you mr president. So where did you excel dan. What he He actually got a five out of seven on the authority. Oh that makes sense does to me. That's actually really good. Because he's our he's our producers. We liked that. I'm not sure makes sense makes a lot of sense. Yeah read me. The won t he. He answered he hit narcissistic on. Then who else. Didn't we read that. So for dan. On authority and again this was really the only category in which he scored significantly first question have a natural talent for influencing people or not good at influencing people. Well down you're blowing my cover. More people suspect that. I'm good at influence. Second question i will be a success. I have not too concerned about success. So wait what will which one. I am not too concerned about success or i am. You will be a success. Okay yes The mixed one. I'm not sure if i would make a good leader or i see myself as a good leader Then let's see dan. you've already up. Being in authority doesn't mean much to me or people always seem to recognize my authority carbon. That's true though you all are and that's just it's actually similar to what abo was describing like. I don't necessarily true. I don't necessarily go out of my way to try and seize authority and whatever situation. I am but it oftentimes seems to fall to me and i've become accustomed to stepping up to that. I guess i don't know. I look i look up to you i just. I just said that video. I that i said i admire you very much. Garde manger literally said the same thing and then you insult him for doctors. Think that zach holds. I feel like holds more than he's willing to admit or being dethroned as heartthrob. Yeah it's a little painful knocking. Line and zach had a deep bromance going on and we still do. We still interesting. It's on the rocks though. Fucked it up and then so so. This is one question. I would prefer to be a leader or it makes little difference to me whether i'm a leader or not got him. That's fine so that's everybody on the narcissist skill. that's everyone so. I think what one of our nurses upscale is part of the triad right. Okay so on the pure narcissism skill. I think we all pretty. I think we all did good. I mean in is enlighten. He's unlike in is like out of having an out of body experience right now. he's not even there. He's like mount everest assumption. Looking over looking over humanity there is zach no surprises there. i'm very happy in eli. I'm kind of. I really didn't know which way you go but let's move onto the dark triad because this one seems to be more comprehensive this one the dark triad. Oh and they called the dark drive for reason so the previous show. We talked about Both tricia end ethan scores and in a tricia scored fairly high on the narcissism aspect of the dark triad. And kind of at a middling level complex. I do need to say that she did admit to being on xanax. And percocet once. 'cause dr your results don't really make any sense really fucked up on zanex percocet and i wasn't really paying attention. And so some consistency their scores on narcissism in the doc triumph and the mci. But certainly take the point. Okay so dr do. We have any anomaly. Anomaly readings here among us. We do just one person before you do that. There are some. there's some high narcissism readings on scale to write marquel. Yeah so with. Ab doesn't need a three point. Eight nine and a high score a dark triad narcissism is for three point six. Oh so ab scored high on the narcissism scale often. Try it above the threshold interesting. Ab what do you think about that as someone who thought you were a to your according to the trade you have narcissistic traits. What are we able to go over some court. So there's actually a lot. But i mean i think before we do that on the dark triad gazillions of narcissism a different from the ones on the narcissistic personality inventory. So sometimes it's just a question of the touch of questions are actually being asked right so let me try and pull up so how this one works is you have a sliding scale of strongly disagree and strongly agree on a scale of one to five right and so so they ask you kind of similar questions. And then they gauge based on which bubble You you fill and so the different maybe more nuanced scale a forced choice. It's i. I gotta give up my studio in five minutes here so i'll be better. We better proceed with the reveal of you guys through the head. How do you go through these scores. Now or do you just go to the big reveal I sure i'm ready for the big reveal. I feel like all right. That's okay with me. But i'm going to abandon you guys I can come back to help. If this doesn't go. well it is. I just. I'm just you go so negative on these. I'll that's fair so just remember here. Let's get a sound bite of doctors saying something positive right and don't have to come back and say something positive on another day but just remind ourselves that this is not about being good or bad person. These are these are strategies for being in the world and sometimes the strategies have nothing to do or very little with how you feel inside a the way. Dr is talking. They think that one of these guys. As far mark luck. I i turns out. He didn't have the studio. And i thought i did but If if you need any emergency from to return like Lower owner stopping mark lease texts. Me okay do you have a nice recovery we got melissa rivers today streaming show and don't forget every day around three o'clock get all dr dot com got through that tv youtube slash. Dr drew will will be the doctor to everywhere. Dr drew is everywhere and he is coming at. Ya live guys. Good luck thank you. Wow stat bad on. Dr young and dan realized there was still another big deal. Oh there's a huge reveal okay. So let's start with so we were talking about ab scoring high on narcissism on the dark triad. And you were going to explain his results right. I saw the do is just you know there are nine questions for narcissism iphone. What i do is just go through the ones which she has a high score so first one is people. See me as a natural leader cracks at that. He got five out of five on on that question but see the united states and get acquainted with important people. Oh interesting chart or cloud. I feel embarrassed. Someone complements me now. That is what we call a reverse scored question in these in these types assuming in order to make sure that people are actually reading the questions. We put in a negative or escort. It's just a technique that psychometric shoes and so you have to kind of do the reverse of that. Which means that. He's not embarrassed when people they got you buddy and the last one is I am an average person again. That's reverse scored so gets toronto five on that. So you said four to five on the average person. And that somehow indicates he's a narcissist two out of five boldly reverse skull. I see i see four. I see up again folks from my money the The npr by is a much lighter assessment of narcissism than narcissism scoring the dark triad. Simply because you've got forty questions on the n. p. I and hugh we've got nine ever much broader range of characteristics related to narcissism the different categories that we kind of went through. How are you feeling it'd be. Does this make sense to. I don't think they will. I think it all is pretty pretty reasonable stuff. yeah. No i make sense. I feel like a lot of it. Goes back not trying. But my dad's my dad's known for being various. And you know like the patriarch of the family. So i try to be a nicer version of him if you will so. I can kind of see that now. How so we have what it sounds to me is one person. Is there near there anomaly. Just one person that's way off the chart and everyone else has average much everyone else's average One person in terms of the three aspects of our triad. One person got a pretty high scores throughout the three categories. Let's hit the drum roll. So i'm guessing zach right. I mean they'd be the most logical seems like the easiest choice. Yeah i mean. I'm sorry zach but peace and love with peace and love. I have to say zach so dr young the big reveal if you would please. You're exactly right Joker brained you. Didn't you are children. Fucking joker brand would love. That's why we love you zach. I think the when you look at these categories and i'll talk about them in detail the minute Sack got a four point two out of five on narcissism and that's very consistent with what we already had assessed with the narcissistic personality inventory and the A kind of a high score and that is three point six eight and he got a four point two so he kind of smashed the roof off of the elevator reasonably high score. I mean what's the highest score you've seen on that one. Is that about it well. I haven't administered this as much as i have instruments. But you can. Certainly you know the ceiling of course courses a five. Yes so the closer you get to a five the tire. It's going well. That's a really high good gray. And i mean that's that's higher marist but we knew he was a narcissist. So what about the other two aspects all right so on machiavelli ism in this strategy and cunning. The a high school there is about a three point. Eight six and zaka three point six six. So he is not over the threshold there he just below the threshold and then on psychopathy of know zach. I think you'll be interested to hear this. The average a reasonably high school is a three point. Four but you only got a two point seven seven. Oh that's not that bad. So why deducted you make it sound so bad. I was afraid. It's to be full on psychopath on me. It's just that You know the way we we add these office. We add three scores up together. You know a total and so a total high. Doc tried scores ten point nine four if you some the three right across categories and zack. Score across those categories was a ten point. Six three but again breaking down we are the kind of the assessment on narcissism. Psychopathy is low. I think is a positive very good. Yeah we don't we gotta turn that dial down there. Zac mucky again. That just really means strategic behavior. Me the machiavelli once. He scored high on all right. So how are you feeling are you. How are you feeling about all this. Well shrink on standby What does that mean are you kidding or making a joke just Does this mean. I have to be locked up prison. Necessary jacket like who do that. Shit like you know how remember these just traits rights. It doesn't mean that you have a disorder of any kind is they just kind of tendencies and We have to say that for the npr in particular these stable tendencies but again doesn't mean you're a bad person like it just means that on these express now and i will say that your scores weren't that bad a man Dr drew was lead me to believe that. We're going to have to call the fucking fbi and dig up your backyard. Shed is starting to do we know. Is that the big. Reveal the big. Yeah he's the highest zag. Whatever makes it's you up. You're the sweetest guy. So you've lost the title. So zack lost the heartthrob title. But you won the crazy title of it. You know. Do anything show. And that's why you're the greatest your golden boy. I have a question if i may I'm curious how ian did on the start triad because he was the lowest he was so low on the other one this score super low on the dark try. Is it possible to not even exist. I tell you that And i wanna come back to zack. And compare his overall scores on the dr try just owner ian got up six point eight two overall score when a high scores. Ten point. nine four there you go super low there too low but he got a four point seven six which is very low score really ethan. You got a six point. Five four overall score a beagle. Eight point eight eight. He's gotten up there borderline just to remind you oh. Dan got a seven point. Two two little bit high up there dan. That was the same as yours to that. Tricia got an overall score of nine point. Two by she was high and had a ten point six three. So i'm so fuck no no. No no no. But zac please remind everybody that zach you were sober and tricia was high on percocet and xanax through the last two which she said on the show of exposing her so so what does it mean that i was low on this one. Like what what are some of the that. I scored low on Let me just tell you the scores in each category because it's so low You got a one point. Eight eight out of five on. Maquiavelian is not strategic other strategic when they build a person. that's good. I think yeah narcissism. You've got a one point. Four four out of five which is consistent with your low score on the n. b. I didn't on psychopathy about five. You got a one point. Four four so a low low scores Well below man so overall score of four point seven six. if i'm looking at the data here too much that really jumps out Across other folks. So i think in summary if you look at the overall total for the dark triad you've got zaken first-place would coming in second and then third and dan actually fourth. This is so. I just kind of mean seriously how are you. How are you feeling. Act like on a real level are do does. Does this affect you. i mean obviously. We're not taking it too seriously. But i'm just kind of curious I knew i wasn't like other people interesting so There's that so when you say you mean when you. Abc has excuse himself. So when you say you knew you weren't like other people do you mean i. Guess what do you mean by that like howard. How did you see yourself as different than other people. I'm always willing to do something. Somebody else doesn't wanna do It could be an attention thing. It could be a what it is. But i'm joker brand. But i lost joker brain joker brain but after get through life. Now it's going to be a struggle but you know i'm gonna do it. God willing and dr young. Have you administer yourself on these tests I haven't done the try of myself. But drew i have both taken the npr. And how did you guys are just in fairness drew score. I think sixty and nineteen. I scored in eighteen and the dimensions on which both he score high tend to be things like community and self sufficiency and you find that a lot of people who are professors or attorneys either contract to stand up in front of people in lecture or to be in court. You have to have some kind of level of authority to come across as being someone who knows what they're doing. i scores. were all kind of bunched. You know kind of in that direction. And dr young i have. I make this a mandatory thing in the day in the year day of zoom calls. I like to ask all of our guests who are sitting on a green backdrop to turn it off for us As i see you're sitting on a very studious well lit library. Let's pull down the curtains books. Okay well let's see. Oh great so more books usually. It's like some shitty iraq. You're sitting on a bed and this is aren't on. I love your yeah. it's just it's very cluttered and so It's clutter in a very. Because i i'm involved with. Usc skorts with the tennis team and so he moves the removal and tennis team. The several play disppointed the collegiate level. And so i'm there are picking up. Some narcissistic traits their doctor. While dr young. I cannot thank you enough for coming in and administering these tests thank details because i know your daughter is a fan. I'm we're gonna send you all kinds of teddy fashion. And i thank you package so thank you so much. I know you're busy. Thank you for taking time with us. Really appreciate uh thank you guys. Thank you a little bit instructing. Oh yes definitely. Well i know who to look out who to trust and not to trust. If that's what you're asking all right. Thank you dr. Thank you so much. Thank you okay. Well how's everybody feeling. There wasn't really any big surprises. Other than actually i will say zacks. Didn't surprise me. Ian surprised me. The guy doesn't even exist the lowest on their record the lowest on record in in surprise me. I have a theory to yes off about this. We all know in kind of and we all know. Ian knows ethan well and we week. I assume that what happened with ethan sanctuary. Go back and read. Those questions would come up. And i've feeling that. Ian predicted that and he was very cautious with his answers. Because if that's the truth then he is off the scale. Machiavellian this is this is pretty much. My theory is that he understood the angle of all of these questions. And he's such a sociopath that he was able to manipulate everyone into thinking that he's some sort of saint well look how he's floating above the clouds and i tend to. I mean like smart. Sounds like a into the test. All right Who took the test was that you are a in all. I have to say really. Is that who they say had the did. They say was the last lowest score. Was frankie muniz right. Yeah that's right well of celebrities. I don't know if we can necessarily put you in that echelon would say it's frankie. Hold this fucking l. frikkie bid. Sorry frankie but get the fuck outta here. I'm the new saint. i don't know. I don't know how honest saints improvement. We've got on record saints saints later saints later that into clear though they they did say that. An extremely low score is kind of indicative of somebody with a backbone. Just kind of a wimp. The loser to it's An i've i won't go there but it's aware i mean they kind of know i won't say do you have jesus christ mentality like. Do you think you're jesus not saying that well. It's interesting that frankie muniz was the other one. Because i know he had problems where he said he doesn't even remember childhood. Thank you had like a ton of concussions. And he's he can't remember story actually really interesting. Because ian has different versions of themselves we know regular in a in cova deion. I have a hard time believing the ship because everybody else was like kinda low. I feel like you were trying to get zero. And just a. I wish you would just be honest. And tell us if that's what happened or not because you're oh it's always schtick. Were you trying to get the lowest score possible. Oh would i do that. Well now. I believe that i don't i don't know if i believe that he was trying. Yeah i'm okay isn't a test designed to even if you try feel like if i wanted to i could. I could lie on it and get zero right. But i got some place they would find an inconsistent exactly. And you probably score like a two because you couldn't get them all all right. I'll take you at your word in. Make you traveling through a warm hall. What are you doing You just a ascending. Yeah just sending all time and space those sunday services mainly really got to you guys ever need any spiritual adviser anything. So zach was off the charts on everything. We kind of expected that and probably love about him but otherwise leave pretty pretty interesting stuff exactly. Are you feeling okay. I mean i'm a little thrown back to the truth. But i mean i'm more satanic. I don't like it is what it is. You feel sat like what's the emotion. You're feeling i mean. I wouldn't say side just kind of like it is what it is you just with the surprise. You learn something about yourself. The didn't necessarily know. I think it's you know this whole corentin really like it was very just you know flatlined so this kind of gave it a little spike and a little crazy from the stir. It's gonna keep me up at night. But i'm looking forward to give me something to do. You know. keep you up night looking to go back to the one narcissistic question. When they're saying sometime narcissists say they don't like compliments but they really do so maybe along that same line of thought love complements. What the fuck you talking about now. Zak is every time i've ever complimented zack. He's just very like oh. I really appreciate that thing. That's funny because i take any. I cannot take a compliment. Sincerely right like i will deflect any compliment. I get ever like say thanks. I learned to be gracious about it. Because it's just annoying when you try to compliment someone and they're always trying to argue with you so i just say thank sin accepted but i don't take it to heart. I just think people are being nice. Which is weird. Because i don i compliment. People genuinely which makes was like. Oh i'll get should take it. I i don't. I don't wanna i don't wanna does this affect your viewpoint on me not at all. This is exactly as feel like it's just it's like a way of describing your character in a way but it doesn't make you worse or better. It's just kinda like interesting but it's part of what makes you who you are and why we like you. I mean h one. Here is kind of different. And that's just you have like the crazy person this could expected. I think it shows that you can't base it off. That test gonna revealed a is sort of like a lex luther type of character. He's trying to to. I mean he's trying go under the radar but he was scoring narcissism authority. He likes miss people. Which is something. I knew i known because you're like a fan of everybody and everything. Ab you kind of have like What's it called when people are obsessed with celebrities. You say that. But i have no idea where you've got that from nine fucking i i really don't i mean on the narcissism run. You love. you love casey nice. That you're always you love michael jackson. You never told you that doing all. The michael jackson moves in shit. Like i know you have a fetish for celebrities. You do her that. I've heard that once in my life and it was a guy that i was arguing with this. I impede yeah. I don't know but you you are you. You have a fascination with celebrity good example. I've seen walter junior at target. Yeah and you. Texas all made a big deal about it. I'm going through junior. It's my favorite show. I didn't want to go up to him. Why don't you thought it was weird. I thought it was indicative of that. What i thought because who gives a fuck about walter junior select along chat all excited about you guys. I can't believe it walter. Juniors right in front of me. This guy's problem semi some like like oscar. Creep shot photos of all three. I took shots walter junior and senate to in in confidence at the espn creep decree. Because i've seen his one with that kind of pisses me off. Because i think the picture picture what the fuck. Why did he get. Who is past. Ten o'clock zach was asleep it in the morning. But but zach has a natural Habit of waking up when something interesting comes up in the chat. Oh you talking about. I'm a good point. Though what i find it interesting that you're not aware of this too because to me. Maybe it's super obvious with loves with eastern love within your heart percent wrong going to interview. I don't need to be there i said. Can i text you. Can i go work on the next episode. I think i've done that for like so many of the best episodes care about every celebrity there ice. There's literally. I don't think you care about every celebrity but there are certain celebrities that you i think you are obsessed with with with celebrity. I think you are. There's like six people including unil- that i probably ever care to meet my life. Liberty was okay you to casey pacino. Deniro say michael jackson. I'll give you the pacino martin zero tarintino and not michael jackson. Oh it's all movies. So why do you. Why the hell did ethan. Casey nice get onto that list all the great classic filmmakers and my college years. That was my pastime watching youtube watching you guys watching okay but then when it comes to like david dobric everything about him. These very cheryl's knows something about david. I mean he's literally zero zero by here. You know more about him than more. I mean what industry we should know about david. He's a busy man fucking confrontations good for the show. I'm not saying he's not great for the show. he has a skill. That's great but i'm just saying i'm surprised he doesn't know this about himself. No not at all. I mean so. When did you learn the michael jackson dancing. And then why did you get defensive of michael jackson when i was calling him a predator. Okay 'cause i. I never i never said it to you that i'm a fan. That's why i checked. I've course you're though you are a fan. I think he's innocent. I definitely think he's the only thing i ever said. Ab was on the crew and the whole thing was going on. I wish i really wanted to help you. Guys why amc yeah. That's that's what i would have loved to have had the opposing view. And your defense. It's it's no one's job to have you know. Look in deep into i mean every yeah i don't don't wanna get into it. So do you do you guys see what i am saying about a b. Because he thinks. I'm dead wrong. I see i mean i agree with him on the pacino and deniro shit. Well yeah but like. I don't agree with ethan. Excuse wanna talk to you. I'm not. I guess i mean i i mean most of the time i user line but it's a lot harder to speak when i'm not just saying yes and not in my head. You do the shit i do. Buddy thanks. i'm real quick serious. Back is the biggest sweetheart. I can't tell you how much i can't tell you. Every time i was freaking out on air. I texted me. You're good calm down your find worry about it. You're thinking probably just strategizing though it's machiavelli low on the manipulative but like okay. I mean i don't want to harp on it. But like i mean in an ab. What ethan season. Maybe a little bit. And i feel like What a be saying you know. We should separate the two things. 'cause you talking about. Oh i would love to meet these celebrities. Everybody's got like the favorite actor the favorite director that they love to meet that. That's completely normal. Ethan i think is talking more about the sliding into the dm's sort of Moves that we know you've pulled on multiple occasion. I'm talking about. I've talking about. And i have an antenna for this being as you know. I am one of these celebrities. And i always take because it's so silly but but yeah i'm pretty big deal. I'm narcissism you hour test. I'm just kidding. I always do that. Because i feel embarrassed to say but abc. He's types of people who were like. Who have these people as role models. They're like super fans right. They're like simps- they have these people as role models and that they they are a fan of them to a much higher degree than a normal person would be. And i believe that is a characteristic of the ab has for certain people the life. I may if i may interject ever had like a sexual fantasy about like al pacino or like robert dolphin like just something like some casino porn or like no. No i think i little fluffy my interactions with you. Think how. I would be with everyone else now. I became friends with you and matt. You wonder weird circumstances because you're in the middle of this online war and there was like groups of people who are attacking me who are bigger than me and you're the only one we were. The only two on this side from my perspective is seemed. Like i was doing a lot more and i and i am a fan and but it's not to the degree like ask me you know 'cause she's the one who will really know i mean i dunno fan but i don't feel like i'm have same degree the other people i feel like that's taking away from their what. We're going to find out on friday because we are doing the simple off so i wanna do my presentation to clarify what i'm saying all right. Let's cut. let's go talk to john. Let's let's wrap this up. I'm trying to add another select by this. Is papa. john is with us. He's got a fire. Crackling in the back up is that is that gas or is that log. It's gas and it's fake but it looks good. I gotta tell you were recently went on a retreat and we were using real logs. And it's such a pain in the ass you got to throw. I mean you know what. I mean gas all the way you propane man yourself No this natural gas. We're kentucky we got lots of Soap operas here today first of all. Thank you for joining us. Because the transcript has been released. The report has been filed and the verdict is out papa and and i think we can all here and celebrate and say we all knew it papa. John was set up. Papa john is innocent and he makes a damn good pie too well fake. It's pretty glorious day when that report came out and hit the media. But i don't know a lot of people a lot of things but i do. Oh you hilo big thank you. You bust as this story ten months ago when the chips were down and you know. I was getting hammered. Pretty good with false narrative. And i was pretty well down out man. I was beat up and You you didn't quite exactly what was happening. But something didn't smell right and you've got a pretty good sniffer on you and You ride on this. And what's kinda come. I mean you've got a pretty valuable alabama combined dollar guy but you got you can think for what they did. Here is so horrific and so hard even for somebody like to think that they did it but they did it. And we uncovered it and You know the truth came out in just a. We're delighted right now. So what exactly came out right. The revelation was first of all the original call. There's a transcript released now. The original call. You are accused of making racially charged statements. Right and so what happened was the transcript was released in. You can read this cranston rate. It's available to anybody online. Is that true or no. Well not exactly there. You're you're sorta right The transcript was held out of public view because the company didn't want anybody to see because it pretty well exonerated me but remember ethan. There's now to tapes the tape. When i was on the call in the tape. That's after i hung up the The first tape exonerates day. Because what i said was a disdain for racism it what i said was anti racism and what they did they reversed what i said. It ran into forbes forced printed. a bad headline in the rest of media ran with it. What the dumb asses did they. The tape run and there was alive mike while they tape themselves and that part of the tape. The second tape indicts them. It's real clear that it was the setup in that they. The comments are we hope he gets. It lifts run this to so and so and take it viral on the internet. I mean it was a complete set setup in and they take themselves. So i have access to this transcript. So how do i have access to this. Was this access to the transcript of the lawsuit com. The remember we had to file a lawsuit against laundry service to get the first transcript out in the public so people can really get to dig for you you you doug for because you know you're following the story so but but this is out there if people want to read it this call transcript right right the second call. The second transcript is in the court of law in longer services trying to seal it because they don't want the transcript out there so you got papa. John's doesn't want the tr. I transcript out there because it exonerates be in you got laundry service that did want the second transcript of the part of recorded them out there because it indicts up so it's all tied up the legal system but it's a bunch of bs so now the transcript is out like so like this is great for people were following the story but like what does it mean for you legally well the right now where we have a motion to unsealed the transcript and we should get a ruling on that any week. Well once that gets unsealed in the public now knows exactly what was said in the second call. They'll put two and two together and say my gosh. This goes beyond just not fair right. This is what they did is dr horrific. It's it's evil what do you do from there. Well you first of all you just kinda slow down here and kind of go. What does happen. A you have the setup. It was premeditated and it was an intentional and it was a militias second thing is we have the louie freeh report which exonerates us you gets us off the hook and then the third part to your question is damages. I mean the damage. They've done to this one. This one good for me. This would a good time at all but The what they've done to my community they left louisville hanging what they've done to my employees. They fired all employees. Have move the land so they got you. They got put out the door kicked to the curb in what they've done to the franchisees to this brand the last two years by intentionally set in the founder up as a racist the damage is here are astronomical so so your your your ultimate goal is now that you've you've you're proven your innocence and there's more evidence coming your goal is to now take this evidence and file a lawsuit against laundry service for damages. Well you have to look at the different publics. You have the suppliers which they've actually benefited from this. You have Your community which. I told you they lost. You have might me personally. Which is a law said. The franchisees in the employees Remember all the proceeds out this lawsuit go to charity And so i don't get anything out of this except to give the money to charity Which is you know. I just wanted to clear my name because You know kids i've grandkids. And you just that on your record because it's it's it's nonsense. I couldn't say the employs ethan. I did everything. I could I knew they were going to do this to the employees and they picked up headquarters they kick these people in the street and they moved to atlanta thirty thirty four years and they heard a lot of people and the damage that this board of directors and your good friend steve ritchie did to the employees and executives. Here in louisville kentucky is just it's horrid. It's ord now so the answer question. The third party the franchisees the people that really helped me build this company. It helped me wealthy. I am keying this up for those guys. The franchisees are going to be in the catbird seat. When i get done with this board. And i get done with laundry service that you know they come in and say my gosh look with the executives of papa. John's did look with the board of directors did to the copy to this brand to the founder. Look at the damage they've done. The franchisees won't own papa. John's international for two cents on a dollar one day mark. My words the day of reckoning day of reckoning we are all waiting now papa. A lot of people have taken the day of reckoning to me in a lot of things for example. people have predicted. Maybe that you were talking about covid people. Maybe one of your pizza. Contemporaries passed away. Unfortunately people don't maybe you had they that you're you're prophesyzing day of reckoning. There was all kinds. is there asteroid coming. I mean how deep does this day of reckoning go are we talking about the stock prices or have you seen into the future. Something more ominous right now. We have a what we call a grace period. Because we're in pizza delivery business and everybody's locked up at home with covid so it's it's you can do nothing wrong in pizza business right now so that day is going to happen when that subsides and sales crash and all this other nonsense has been going on. It's really hurt this brand. That's gonna be magnified with the performance of the company. But i you know. I don't know if it's hot or on a little bit scott. Look at the last. Six months i've been able to sell hundreds of millions of dollars worth of stock at a premium because the covert by franchisees. My partners have more money in the last six months They ever had in louis. Freeh the best of the best. Just exonerated me from all this nonsense that i've had to deal with for the last two years so it's it's been hard but it's been a great six months and i. I feel fortunate. Now that the next phase the next fate is when kovic decides and all this comes out. What i'm telling you it really so accent what this board. And what is. Executive team did papa. John's international what they did the brand. In my opinion. That'll be the day of reckoning. Made it breath. yeah. I'm looking at the stock price and the stock price is is doing quite well. I mean at european as as the leader of papa. John it's basically at where was in papa john prime time. But you're saying i mean how. How can you go wrong during cove it like. How can you fail as a as a pizza company right now. It's even worse than that right now. Papa john's makes half the pretax profit in trades at the same price. You don't think that's a shell game. You don't think there's some some shenanigans going on there. i'll give you two examples. The c o of papa. John's comes out and says we have eight million new customers yet. The customers coming in the stores are less now than they were three years ago. See it's a slow game. We have eight million new customers well but you got less customers coming in so you see that we're gonna open fifty stores by who are ordering online. Well that's that is a percent has has gone up a little bit but let's say a three years ago you had a thousand customers today have probably nine hundred sixty customers so even you know so. It's a shell game we've they. They say we have eight new customers but they have a lot less people coming in the door so they have actually have less customers. Don't understand you have the entire come. I don't understand logic papa because people because it's it people aren't going inside their ordering online that will their order online as a percent about seventy percent of the business you know that hasn't changed we don't have any in In in ceding a table dining ethan. It's all delivery or carry out so maybe that pre covid was say five thirty five. Maybe it seventy thirty Online versus telephone are carry out. But that hasn't changed but the amount of customers ordering has gone down the last three years so in order to make make the sales look better. They jack up the price so the point is the wall. Street doesn't have the intelligence go. What's your traffic counts. Towards the guy says we have eight million new customers in the next question is how much is your traffic up. How many more customers you have coming through the door enhancer. That would be well. It's negative see it's it's a it's a it's a bad number. It sounds to me. Like the day of reckoning is coming i rip addicts out of opinion. If you're if papa. John so just giving out fake numbers fate numbers that's a little strong misleading numbers. I think the real health of the business. The product quality has slipped. The service has slipped the standards have slipped. I've john's obviously up with you. I'll be straight up with you. I don't by papa. John's pizza anymore. I don't know how that makes you feel papa to be honest because that's your baby but it used to be my light papa. John's pizza used to be my life. And now i it's not there for me. I don't know that makes you feel makes me feel terrible. And i think it's just the obvious that the product quality has gone down. Have you been ordering pizzas still hard. I've ordered six hundred pizzas in the last ninety days. Are you serious. I know exactly what they're selling to your point. Even you have one or two surveys. That doesn't make it doesn't make a letter. Make your captivated by what you just tell me. What your ordering strategy you live in area even kentucky right so we're so tell me about six hundred pizzas probably ten or fifteen states just to know what's going on so when you have as much stock as i've i've had you wanna make sure that you know the product is there and to your point you know one example doesn't make his survey but when you have six hundred you kind of know what's going on for sure anyway. The product has slipped. They know that the franchisees of know it and the the services slipped they have no pete's experience at the executive level or at the board level. They don't care about the employees. They just screwed them over. And i'm worried about the franchisees if they look what they did to me. Look what they done the employee's and then look with they're gonna do to the franchisees the writings on the wall. That the worst place you want to be in twenty twenty one is a franchisee of papa. John's international that's the worst place you want to be. You're sitting on the dynamite. So papa tell me about the pizza ordering system. Did you have people in different states. And then you guys coordinate you get do try with topping our. They undercover like papa. John know that you're doing this like what kind of mind games are going on. A high level now papa. John's and care what they need. The you could buy any service and go out and spend you know. Spend the money and they'll order the pizzas until you serve. That's doing it across. Its five or ten thousand bucks to go out an order. Three hundred pieces. So it's a big deal but is it like people you personally. No no no. It's it's secret. Shoppers independent you know people throughout the country that will order pizza and then report with what they got your marcis kind of survey program like undercover. No no i'm not. I wanna know interested. I'll get you all get you. The i'll get you the name of the vendor several. It's a service they give you. It's a service. John's used to do it but they stopped doing it. Because it costs money a money and b is. They didn't want to see what they were served. We know it's bad if you don't if you don't measure that they will do it if you don't reward it. They will repeat it of what are we going to do. So is getting away. From christ as we've seen i had nine pizzas and more than dc last week and the the operator dc's actually. He's a colonel. He's actually pretty good and he's they were slipping pretty bad. They've slipped the to your point in with. Kobe is going to cover all that up. Even though you don't have to be on your game when you got a monopoly. And they got monopoly. What are we going to do. I mean it's just not right. I mean you pizzas as a sacred. It's sacred and to see the cheese slipping away from the crust like that and the pepperonis not being evenly distributed is just. It's just not fucking okay. Well you're also Yata be being. Whereas i spent thirty four years of my life building saying and watch do do what they're doing to my baby. Is that part. You can get emotional and upset about real quick. I mean to know what we had. And know how i mean. We're the best place to work in kentucky for five straight years. I mean yeah has dating. Life switched from pizza dating good. I i I had one girl that are really really liked but she broke up with me. Yeah she'll like oh you got. You can't come after the dog. That's a dealbreaker. He he burbs gas and she didn't like take for yourself. I love paxil well really. Wasn't that tough. Yeah well You're a single man. You got a pizza empire. You've been you've just been acquitted and You know what. Let those clowns whatever they want with the pies. Because you're sitting pretty. You got your own pie in the sky. You know what i mean. I don't know what my future is going to be thin. I just know every day. I'm thankful because it's going to be better than the past. It's going to be great. I don't know what it is. I just know that it's going to be really really good. And you guys and your audience will be part of because we got through this. If we can get through this game we can get through anything because this number. And i started in a bar i used to get my ass kicked all the time never had an ass whooping like this in my life. I mean this is been pretty tough but we got done. We came out the other side a little bit stronger and a little bit better. So it's good the day. Exactly papa always stays winning. That's what i say always stays winning. Thank you for calling in. And i wanna think rob who looks like a lawyer is rob a lawyer. Is robert lawyer no no. He's a pr guy. Hey you didn't hit on judas. You didn't ritchie shots at ritchie. Gotta take shots richie. He's he's he's the worst. Hey rod hey rob. Can we take shots at richie. You're muted rob. He's got the pr guy here. I want to do whatever he wants. Hey rob why are you here. What are we trying to avoid talking about at all. We're just eighty. He's already had six heart attacks really. Well let's start with this. By the way i talked to you. This i think rudy. I think judas ak Rick richie richie ritchie. I think little richie turned a little pori after each tried to backstab your ass. I don't think you to be steve ritchie right. Now i tell you what this dirty guy did he He called while our advertising agency right before this went down and said hey Shapiro we gotta get rid of janis. A bad guy. Then he feels lawn service and says hey you know. Just give him on tape. Get him to talk. he'll hang himself. I mean he completely sent me up. I mean you know. The guy makes six bucks hours of driver last year. He made six billion dollars and he pulls us like that. I mean i've never seen anything like that you know. I think that there's a movie to be made. I totally the pair. I mean this is this. I mean this is. This is the god papa. Look at this to your point this guy that the say. What did you ever talk with him yet. But you're right. Would you ever meet with them. Yeah yeah of course you have something to say role play. i'm him. what would you say to me. Listen steve all the franchisees. Hate your guts. They all know you screwed me over in the process you screwed us over and we're going to let john exonerate you but you got an arc all these other criminals out. Oh narking i. I love this movie i wanna watch it. So are we now. We're now how i see. We're going to put ritchie. We're gonna put a piece on ritchie and send them in to get like to get the You know the wire sending the wire. The papua the pizza wire ritchie and shapiro. Set up the other board members. You know they're the ones richard shapiro setup taping. They set up the setup and took it down and the other board members. They were a bunch of suckers. They went along with mechanic. Went along with it and Shapiro ritchie left. These board members saying the bag. But look at this. Look at this. You have a guy. They bills a five thousand store chain out of a broom closet. In public order directors sets. He bob paint him as a racist in tries to taking down to where he can't even get up the rest of his life. I mean that's beyond jealousy envy hatred it's evil. Hr deserve better papa. How long how long ago was it. You've been divorced now. How is life. Is your life adjusting now too. I mean just. How's that been. i know. Divorce is just really tough. And i'm just curious. How's it been friel well. It was You know a great twenty seven years you know and You know she's a great woman. we'll It'll be in two days and ten hours in three minutes. It'll be a year since divorced. You're counting down the days pop of jesus you counting every second. Is it odd to be. Is it odd to be single after all this time. It's got to be a weird feeling. Quite a eligible single man to i might say i don't odds the wrong word. I think i think it's it's at everybody's best interest. I think yeah. I think she's a lot happier. I think a lot happier. And i know was best for her. And i love her. And what's best for her and there's no doubt in my mind that she's happier and she. This is good for her. I mean she's she's beautiful. She's fit kids and grandkids lover. She's wealthy. She got her own jet. I was gonna ask how my next my next question was. How much did this. How much financially did that that you pretty good probably the divorce you know. We were partners. That's true thirty two years. Yeah so she kind of she was there with me the whole time so you know she gets her cut. I mean that's just how it works. But she's wealthy and she's got great phrase. What kind of what kind of is it does. she have. yeah. I don't know. I never ask because he keeps it over the same everywhere. I keep my job. You guys have both guy who good. How's he doing is pop. I said bravo house papa. Doing is checking in on the pr guy. Divorce is tough in. i'm rob how we doing is doing great. Thank for he's nervously. Are you guys in the same room or you guys. He's on zoom like like. How close are you guys. Are you just looked at the. Papa isn't new york okay. So if he if you're going some territory where he thinks is unsafe. How does he notify you. You guys have a private chat open. I don't know. I didn't even know he was gonna be on the call. Rob why are you on the call. The ethan the chance of them. Coaching me when i when you interview me is like somebody coaching you. It ain't gonna happen. So rob really think that you can control this force of nature. I mean why are you here. Let's beyond turn on your mic. Don't be shy come on. You're on the call. What are we doing here. No one can control pop over just here to watch what's going on. But i mean i got into it was i mean you don't know how better shape i was in pal. Yeah i mean. I was pretty depressed. I like oh man yeah. I didn't know how to get out of this best. I'm like you. I have a tape. Just listen to the tape. For god's sake and You know. I just couldn't get the media to wake up and they finally woke up so i don't know how this happened. I feel. I feel really like a ton of bricks off. I showed her feel like a guy that got out of jail on a crime. He didn't commit you know what i mean. You kind of get freedom back. It's it's a really odd feeling. There's nothing worse than being first of all being accused of something you didn't do but even beyond that it's being accused of being a racist you know because that's just a really terrible thing to be you know it's the worst and people re and people pass judgment. Have people really judge you for that one too. So it's like you know. I think i think sadly in a lot of people's minds you know it's like they hear wants but they don't hear the second chapter is yeah. It's i mean. I guess you could go to murder or pedophile but i think raises probably the worst of all of them and i i okay. Let's examine the say. What so you so we think well yeah banning a racist is bad but maybe maybe not as bad as a pedophile. Though yeah i. I agree or murder but i know what you mean. People think like they say racist and then like for example. Let's say who's a famous pedophile. who's a famous pedophile. Who epstein right. So you think that your label of racism is almost as toxic as epsteins label of traffic. I don't i wouldn't go that far bad category. That's for sure. I would rather be using epstein in terms of. Yeah authoring the white flag on that argument. Rob any thoughts. Rob would you rather be epstein or her or Or security connections breaking up his take leading the fed on the at stink question. How much you pay guy rob. Not just kidding. I'm just kidding. Know you know. I'm just giving her time. Rob thanks for having me. I always love hearing from you. Always look at it. And i gotta say you look. Happier looked relieved. We love pop because you brought so many peak rape pizzas into my life and listen. Nothing makes me happier than pizza. My wife can tell you. I think i uh-huh that all to you. The man with vision in a broom closet couple of buys. Forget about it. I tell what. But i love you to death brother. You gotta start eating the way. He eats the vegan diet. You gotta take on you know vice from hold on razak hold up. Hit that sound soundbite. About pizza being nutritious. I was just following your advice. Papa no go ahead zach all the record pull the tape. Gosh pizzas actually very nutritious vice. Papa notice the tone of voice. Sodas the i was kind of in a shell. I'm not sure i was trustworthy. Saying that They complain in america. Place gonna get unsealed here. It comes in. It's pretty juicy. What comes to tell me you know they. There was a hot mic. These guys put their foot in their mouth. They indicted themselves. It's pretty funny. stock all. Sit in that to you. When i get it but yeah happy holidays. Happy holidays road. Can we just wanted to hear if you had any concrete for ethan on his diet. I'll come on earth wild health. Actually wild help. Remember this this dave even this wild health bad dawson promoting now while health. I don't own enough of it. I water shotgun but anyway it's They'll get you where you wanna be. Mad dawson a wild health Kentucky may be rich and what made you rich pizza. Okay but you know what it means. Yeah they'll Pizzas actually very nutritious. Gosh slicer too is a billionaire. And he's saying eat one or two slices. You don't get. Billy become a billionaire by selling one or two slices of pizza. Come on you. Gotta you see people that look like me. Papa is why you're sitting in that pomp. Pizza man humidifier by yourself. Why have a jig guys your size. While my ex wife has jet so ila getting in shape. They'll come on larry lewis. Thank you take care of a great christmas right. Hope get help. We're getting some weird ask. Why are you still here. You wanna say anything. Rob bounce out fast. We love we love man. That was fucking funny. I have to say you know the guy can here call me fat. But i can't even here because he has a good point. I love fucking with the people when they show like come. Well love papa. Now is a great call. Great personality test this episode. This was just a fun high level. I feel like this was a high level episode right. I mean there was a lot. I mean po- who gets calls in from papa. John tests administered by real doctors. Doctors doctors that turns me on out. I mean that was pretty awesome. Papa was apparently found out. He's been slamming. Which is good. I bet you papa fox like probably goes crazy and the sack. He's pretty fit. I mean i bet you pop up books like a monster. Would you like to get real by papa finish. Let me finish by pop. No shell the show dude. Come on his show. I am not. I'm not a homosexual. Well that doesn't make you a homosexual. Just when you get real by papa the show thank you just asked me if i have any dirty dreams about al pacino. Different that you the porn. We're like gingers involved in no foreign casino. Pointers the movie casino. We i didn't know that john wrote porn. Maybe knows everything about that. Doesn't mean i just. I it just hit me when you said gingers involved. I thought you were saying like right here but we talking about the character. Ginger character ginger. Is there casino novi born. Shes pry like the nineties. And zach joe pesci. She said he'd on my ass. I mean need out my ass aright. We're off the rails okay. so Coming out on thursday. So that means we will see you tomorrow for after dark. Technically is our last episode of the year. Yes sir that makes me feel sad. I know and i actually don't. I'm not sure that. I even want like i feel so bad. Deal not take a break. We'll i feel bad for these guys because they deserve a break. Maybe we could just reduce our frequency for. But i think i probably do need a break break is healthy. Yeah alice let's talk about it on friday. What do you say. I'll be here i. I don't know anyone here. So i'd like to break the break i dread. I dread the holidays. So i'm down to do shows. I think dan needs a burden. It's a break and does an. Yeah i'll take a break. What are you going to do to. You've don't even exist. I'm going to meditate. Hopefully we'll all have. Ps fives by. Then but i doubt it maybe knowing navy on hold my breath so i'm wondering if we could do something like do some livestreams or something just to just to have a fun time. A oven some labs. You know it's too. We should just take a break like we're going away. I just dread the holidays so fucking mind why. It's so depressing. The me you hate your family that much. No no no. It's not a family thing. It's just like why depressing. It's just like most happiest time of the year like really little happy. Though you're you're upset you're not jubilant during the holidays in that depresses you. Yeah yeah it's like. I just sit around and christmas tree. And what the fuck is wrong. What happened to you. Joker o'brien joker brain or if you've got like molested under christmas. Nah it's i mean you can ask. These guys will over. I asked him. Can i come over and crying for christmas tree. Okay joe i'm in ab can attest to that. I don't have a tree or else you could come in has a treat all right and how do you the car your email of macy's subtle. We keep it may see that means to me any like little cute stuff on the tray or balls and a lot of balls. I love a lot of balls. All's everywhere we put a lot on the tree because our cat knoxville off. We had We have a tree in our living room and we had these glass ornaments and theater was grabbing them smashing so we had to remove them. We just moved them up. The top. half of the tree is very decorated. The bottom half is very bare. Started davis because it was saying we should be the hanukkah wanted to know but he got. I got an attractor on airplanes to treat all right. Listen this conversation. Is that that air. We'll see on friday. We're gonna have another great show planned for you. Like they all are is. The podcast is only showing the world like it number. Eighteen world or something. I don't know twenty two higher than that. No it was twenty two. I'm telling you it's moved off since that was like last week and we moved up. Those last week was happened. Just today's episode move this up. we're number eighteen. Now we'll see you friday so We have a great dan. that's not bad associated thanks to the.

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Salisbury Steakout: What Are The Biggest Stories For The Astros Going Into The Season

The Sean Salisbury Show

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Salisbury Steakout: What Are The Biggest Stories For The Astros Going Into The Season

"Back to sean salisbury. Show sean out there now. The cells bury's stakeouts. Take off on the sean salisbury show and we are going to add to this but a little later on the eight o'clock hour tyler's ten where weekly once a week tyler. Fire ten questions at us. Just whether it's entertainment music. Just thanks. he wants to know the answer to and we're not going to figure out. You know the formula pie all that stuff. We're just gonna talk and sports whatever it is. So we'll we'll have tyler with that. Some of these questions makes around the astros or locally and nationally. So we'll get to that but first week. Stake it out tyler. What's on your mind. On a stakeout brother so you slightly mentioned the astros. Today's the day pitchers and catchers report for sprint trading. Well i said soon. And here's why can you get there. That's the big thing now. I would hope the astros who are reporting today have left already so and if you left great job you've left before the storm hit and hopefully power there in florida anyways Stay on the line with the astros. What is the main story. Or what is their main focus going into the season. Well i think a couple of things one is. You gotta decide who your everyday center fielder is going to be. If it's mild or somebody else. I think that's that's one of them. Secondly who you're gonna put in one hole. And that's a big void by george springer if strasbourg because he can run. You're going to lose a major power element. Do you have the guts to move. Somebody like you know bregman. The one slot are out to vase. Seems like a natural leadoff. His kyle tucker worthy leading off because there's pop in his bat. The leadoff positions changed over the years. It used to be guide. Get on base and run ricki henderson's of the world vince coleman of the world. Willie mcgee's the world get on base and run and turn a single into a triple although sent great butters it could it could drag the bunt and get them on first base twenty five times a year. It's changed we stick power bats in the leadoff spot and a lot of places and no bigger power batting leadoff spot than the cat here. I think The guy charlie in blackman in Colorado in the leadoff slot slot plenty of times big pop in his back. It's changed we don't run as much major league. Baseball fifty steals put you in. You're like an all star. You're you've had an awesome year. Ricky henderson at fifty steals before the all star break and would laugh at it so the one hole is going to be an important part of what they do and i'm anxious to see how that experiment goes in. The simple thing is depth on the pitching staff. We've got to see you know. Arms is from revealed as what we saw last year. Has he has now arrived to the point where he won't revert back were now. We're looking at a superstar. In the making the command of the lance mccullers. the back into the bullpen. Can i get back to where close out games becomes a normal routine. The obviously it's going to surround the depth of the pitching staff just is and how that works out in overlander. So you're gonna have to deal with and and and lance mccullers and who is that guy italy. It appears to be greedy. But you know. He's not the overpowering guy boise a smart pitcher and then you've got to also find out If jose altuve base heads okay. And what i mean by that is going through the struggles. Defensively getting him back to where he's a three thirty hitter and playing sound effects so those are a lot of them right there and i'm anxious to see what all this muscle that alex bregman put on if it means that he's a better player or it was too much muscle. I don't know. I don't know that we've seen both happening in sports in baseball and basketball. Some guys put on weight. We saw lebron been lebron. Got real thin and a gain a little back. Because you know you're you're you're the battle of eighty two games. We've seen it happen in football. We've seen it happened a lot of good. We've seen it happen all over where you know you go into to hell you lose too much weight or you get too much strength. Become a little bit tighter. I don't think alex bregman would get to the point where he didn't feel like he could turn and putting that muscle on because he wants to withstand. What's going to be long season this year. A full season. So to me tyler. Listen it's gonna start. I know they're going to hit i. I know they're gonna hit a pro career. You know i would imagine. We'll feed off his postseason. I expect bregman have a better year. Where's to at south confidence. Wise and get out to back Who's the leadoff hitter. Losing centerfield is kyle tucker star now in the making we know that brantley like i said the pro so all those things come into but this team is going to go about as far as the pitching takes him. So that's my biggest concern is the pitching. It's a bummer. Not seeing george in uniform but there are and this is still the best team in the division. Much to your chagrin rangers brother but Is there something that you need to see from the astros. They report pitchers and catchers but also as. We look forward to the next couple of weeks of spring training starting. I think the pitching staff is the biggest question. Mark no doubt nowadays. Yes and innings. No question now you for the top of the order. You could do a rotation until you figure it out. I would imagine that's what they're going to experiment with. Why not test them all exactly. But for the pitching staff. You have great key mccullers. Ver- landers out. It's it's a big question mark and rightful rightful and rightfully so we said he's a question mark of all. There's no question there's no question mark. there's no question no doubt it's a it's a it's a concern and i know they've got the potential to be really good. Some of these young arms were fabulous last year. The key is can come back and repeat it over a hundred and sixty game season hundred. What are we one hundred. Sixty two games hundred six hundred and sixty two game season. I was sitting here thinking one hundred fifty four no basketball short their season. Two seventy two baseball's hundred sixty. They're playing the full thing out which is good so one hundred six two game season and hopefully the playoffs and the rest of it. The these young guys now got a full season without you know what had what they went through last year. Now now it's different. The grinds different and the expectations are different. And i really am intrigued with the from does an with kyle tucker tucker now got a lot of at bats. Now where is he heck. You could experiment. Like i said with him. In the leadoff spot michael brantley would get on base that rut but michael brantley is a pro. You could play. I mean so finding out but the biggest things going to be if the pitching's average they're going to have to hit out of their mind if the pitching's good see they're hitting alone. I think can take him to the playoffs as long as the pitching decent. But at the pitching's really good then they become a threat because you look up and down that line. If they're still even without george springer formidable without to vein bregman and and and i'm anxious to see how your body is too. That's another question. Mark young the knees are always probably going to be a problem. Tyler they are when you're that young and you haven't the chronic knee issues if that's what it is. They may always be problem. But the guy can frigging rake and having him back for a full season in the middle of your lineup. The numbers could be if he can play one hundred and fifty games. I mean epic so that that's another one that we kind of we. We've talked about pitching and all these things. Losing george but one thing we fail to realize this cat's coming back. Let's find out what he's all about. I'm anxious to see the condition shape. He's in how his body holds up. If it does. He was just born to hitman. We were fortunate before you got here dude. When he came up with call up from the minor leagues two years ago was a two years. Yeah two years ago dude. His here's his prodigious power and just his ability to hit nothing short of phenomenal. This this dude is a bad man can his legs. Hold up. 'cause you know in sports when the lower body doesn't respond the rest of the bodies the it's hard in sports when the legs go or when the legs are reacting or responding the way you wanted to become a problem you're late everywhere else. I'm hoping for that. I'm intrigued to watch this guy for a full season. If he's healthy in this lineup in the middle of this order what what he can pull off as a hitter but it is gonna be pitching you think your angels can pitch well enough to keep up with the astros this year. Now i always wonder why is it that they can't go get pitching. I've never understood it. They don't get a throw the bank at the hitting they throw the bank at the batting. Line-up the pitching the back dude. Exactly Pitching is always a massive question mark every single year. And i've never understood it. I don't know for whatever reason they do. The bargain bin for pitchers. Yeah but i don't understand it at what point time don't leaders of the team or somebody or the general manager or the manager walk in there. Say listen man. We can't continue to win this way. I know it looks good. It's really pretty watching ren don't and trout and don't and and Those bats hit and drive in runs but losing nine. Eight ain't good i did. i started. Never understood their lack. When's the last time the angels invested in in pitching solid good pitching and from top to bottom. What would social. They won the world series last time they invested in good. Pitching top to bottom was probably two thousand nine. That's the that's the last time they made it to the exactly right. So guess what. We're in twenty twenty one dude yet. They got money and they spend money. The problem is sometimes they spent in the wrong spot. They okay so my grief is what the owner artie marino. Did they think they were going to get garrett. Cole i think a lot of day day had a legitimate shot for the yankees right but even one of them. You need more than wanted. Yeah you need more than one. Otani the eventually otani. I've always said. I don't know how he can continue to do two things. I love otani. he's gotta to pick one. Yeah and you know what. I pick hit ya. The dudes are the dudes talk about prodigious power. The dude can hit at five hundred feet. He he's if you know what it just like when when bowe was playing football and baseball and dion at some point in time. It's really hard to be awesome at both. Listen this guy's a special cat. I don't know win but at some point doesn't have to choose and right now to me just for the arm trouble and the rest of it that he's had it would seem to me that hitting would be the first choice his longevity wise for him because he special at the plate right you stuff but i just i can't i can't see this i just can't you're not getting the best of one. You're getting good a both at times. Sometimes not as good a tiny but at some point. Don doesn't already marine on in the team. Matt have to stay. Take a step back and say we. We've got a. We've got to invest this offseason. At some point one of these offseasons into going out and getting lights out pitching the question is can you get people to go there. I guess and i just don't know why you would want to. It's orange county. See angels good facility great hitters. You get to play with. Mike trout and rent. I mean you'd think that that would be a place but even a guy who lived there didn't go there. He went back to new york which was his childhood team. Right weird weird. You can't get them there and it's just bothersome to me. I imagine his to you to very much. So i can't stand especially the guys up the up. The interstate interstate five. Oh yeah you see the dodgers winning like seven and al west titles in a row and get an keep getting pitching getting hit somewhere where mid to lower tier of the al west every year. And they're an hour away right it ain't i mean what's the bigger dry not like. La should be a bigger drawing card hop on a train or drive your car from newport damn to dam los angeles you got it so anaheim's disneyland. It's better thank you. There you go you can ride matterhorn. Or what's the other one space mount. I'm really big thunder mountain. There you go they love. That's the train. I love thunder mountain. Sportstalk seven ninety or about a half hour away from tyler's ten we've thrown out seven three two one two five seven ninety your ability to make a trade for watson if it has to happen. Find me one and tell me what we're getting if it has to happen. None of us wanted to sports. Talk seven ninety.

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Mother's Health #beingAfricaAllah Vol19_11

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Mother's Health #beingAfricaAllah Vol19_11

"The one and only f- gotland be team. Dj's by play playmates. That day give familiar double reason it really rick. Yes only guy lawyer now tuned into another episode of being gala. It's may and april showers was come. May flowers may ninth. Two thousand twenty. One is mother's day and today we're going to talk about mental health because ironically as also mental health awareness month. Right now one thing. A lot of people don't know is that women tend to suffer from depression. Wore the men. And there's a reason for that but let me tell. Let me speak to you a little bit about mental health and awareness. All right so in two thousand eight. We started a project with the sickle cell. Anemia network out of brooklyn new york and the project was called one viral. During that time we had a conversation with teeth. Three from slum village who's talked about j. diller and one of the other members of the group who who passed away as a result of unchecked mental mental disorders can affect women and men differently some disorders more common in women such as depression and anxiety. There are certain types of disorders. That are unique to women. For example some women may experience symptoms of mantis. Quarter at times of her moon change such as prenatal depression premenstrual dysphoric disorder pre menopause related. Depression when it comes to other mental disorders such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Quarter research has shown to find the differences in the rate in which men and women experience lease illness. What women a experience these illnesses differently. Certain symptoms may be more common women than men and of course the illness county affected by the sex of the individual researches are only now beginning to take apart the various biological and psychological factors that may impact mental health and both men and women again may is mental health awareness month. And we encourage you if you are experiencing signs of depression appealing isolated and so forth. Speak to somebody alright. We know that with boy with the pandemic a lot of people experiencing feelings of isolation so forth Women and men can develop most of the same mental disorders and conditions but many different sometimes symptoms include persistent sadness of feeling of hopelessness. Misuse of alcohol. Drugs dramatic change your sleeping habits appetite or weight change decrease energy your fatigue. Excessive fear were seeing or hearing things. Not they're extremely high. In loan moves aches headaches. Digestive problems without clear cause irritability social which rural suicidal lewis. A mental disorder can be treated. If you are unsure where to go for how acsi family doctor. It is important that you reach out to somebody. When you're feeling down. Let me let you know that. A lot of us and what. We can't be better with the halt communication from others. How does being a woman affect your mental health. Women care more women. The more likely experiencing depression and other women women are more likely to live in poverty than men poverty. Working mainly home and concerns about personal safety can make a woman feel isolated. Social isolation is linked to mental health problems. Let me tell you something if you have the honour and the pleasure of having your mother still with you take this opportunity to give her a call. Check on her once every two weeks. We're not all right and we need. Just toyed is the one and only have a line. Like i said is another being africa. Today's all about the rhythm driven since this is may we were supposed to have bahamas carnival this past weekend they first and We got memorial weekend coming up of. At l. and at l. is planning to still go ahead with the events and festivities. I dunno happening. I haven't seen any information out about that or in costume jobs. But i do know that the fats are happening. The concerts are happening Fort lauderdale just had the bloom event with excess exmoor mass out there in miami in people are living their lives get vaccinated and party in you know them for a lot of them are vaccinated whether party like they are and We're gonna talk about that in another episode but you guys be safe. take you. we're going to give you a rhythm driven. We did week pickup. I it before we do. You know what. I gotta gotta do. I gotta hit my dude off adam in the legal department so he can tell you how it goes down. Welcome to the legal department of this cover. Music channel play dot. 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Grown Up Kids - Episode #75 - The Moon-Spinners

Grown Up Kids: A Disney Podcast

29:22 min | 1 year ago

Grown Up Kids - Episode #75 - The Moon-Spinners

"Welcome to grow not kids a Disney. Podcast I only hope that we never lose sight of one thing. That was all started by. Hello and welcome to episode seventy grown up kids. I'm Megan and Katie. And today we will be discussing. The Moon Spinners which is the mother. Hayley Mills Classic. Sure I loved it. We'll talk all right. It's time for the Thirty Second Disney. Hush are you ready. I'm mark yet. Go it takes place in Creek. We have Hayley mills and then the other you know mysterious British dude and the British students in trouble he discovers this whole plot with these jewels that he was supposed to be watching. Hayley mills stumbles into it. I can't remember her character's name her and is there. And then there's these crazy like mafia-like guys may try and kill her and him and then they escape and they get the Jewish back while twenty eight twenty top that. I'm not going to be able to go. I don't know what happened in this movie. There was this girl and her aunt and their traveling than they ran into this guy and she fell in love with them but he was like a thief but it was an actually thief. He's trying to figure out mystery. Dude like trying to kill on. I don't really know why. And then there was the lady. These jewels helped him to kill cheated. Nineteen Katya literally just told you what happened but I still don't get it. Why because I don't know you need me to explain the movies you. I'm about to read the plot okay spite. Tv what no go for. What no I WANNA learn about this. Tell me the plot and if I feel I need to expand upon it I will. I will expand upon it. Okay the plot from Disney itself set against the sun bleached beauty of the Isle of Crete which is beautiful. I've been there. You have the story. Pets a young English tourist against a widely Greek jewel thief mistaken identities and perilous escapes including a nail-biting battle with a windmill lead the junior junior mist detective to a final confrontation aboard the yacht of eccentric millionaire with a passion for priceless gems and pet. Cheetahs look I got the Cheetah Right. I mean. That's a pretty good job of explaining what the movie's about. Oh Man I'm just like genuinely floored at the fact that you didn't like this movie because I thought it was really intriguing like it was one of those films to me. That was like a like a murder mystery. But in movie form it's supposed to be like a hitchcock style movie Like mystery yeah like you said but I don't know like an I've genuinely shocked that you liked it as much as you did because after it was over I was like saw that movie and I really liked it as like. Oh I I seriously like I would watch it again. I think this is the first time this has ever happened. I so okay. So this is what happens. We've got the the girl which I can't remember her name. Okay Nikki who is hails. So we've Nikki and her aunts who are just going on vacation and they are going to Crete and then they were supposed to stay at. This resort called the moon spinners but for whatever reason The owner doesn't like British people and didn't WanNa rent them a room. Do you get why he doesn't like British people know because he was the one that was watching the jewels and he was assuming any British person was a spy GonNa find out that he still corrected. He's still no. I don't think so okay. I think that it was the guy who helped them at that mansion. I think he's awful them. Okay and then he was using the guy at the moon spinners kind of his lake. I guess the right word would be liaison so like he was holding them and he was going to do the hand off to get him the money for the jewels. Okay so in all of this the the man or a young boy really mark mark young man who got in trouble for this back in England because he worked at the bank where they were stored He was close friends with. Who's jewels those were? He was literally just dropping the jewel off at that lady's House on his way home from work and he didn't do the proper protocol of like security and everything because he thought it would be fine and it wasn't. Somebody must've known that he was doing it because as he was going to deliver them he got like hit on the back of the head in the Gills got stolen from him so he was basically like exiled in a way like bad rap. You're not going to get jobs anywhere. Whatever so then he was like well. My only way out of this is if I figure all of this out because I know that like I didn't take them so somebody had taken them so then he got he like caught some lied about Crete and he went there and he figured out that it was in the Bay of Dolphins. So that's why he kept going out diving there every day because he was diving to try and find where the jewels were so that he could take them back and then go back to England and clear his name. Is this making more sense? Yeah but it's not making me like it any better so it's putting it into perspective for me but so guess so then so then. Nikki stumbles into mark's life and mark. Kind of doesn't really want her. He likes her but he doesn't want her to get involved in this because he truly thinks that it's dangerous so he wants to keep her away so that she doesn't get hurt and all of this but then that doesn't workout and she does get caught up in it because she finds him when he's injured in it all stumbles from there and then. Nikki helps him figure out. The yacht is where the jewels are going. So then she sneaks out to go board the yacht and then just like spills the beans to this millionaire s and is like listen these jewels like you can't buy them because this is literally marks like proof that he's innocence. Please don't buy them. And and then. Somehow she convinces the lady to be on her side and they get the jewels back. How did you get all that like now that you explained it to me like straight out okay but maybe that watching it? I don't know I just followed it. I couldn't follow him. Maybe if you had been able to follow it you would have enjoyed it more. Yeah I really liked it. I'm happy for you. I also really love hails and I loved how she like looked older. Yeah she was she was actually eighteen. Yeah so anyway. We kind of went off a little bit on there. So let's talk about. The history of the moon spinners the most descriptive we've ever gotten it was released on. July second of nineteen sixty four. Does his birthday. It is teddy the kitty cats birthday. Teddy Peteris July second. I'm so it's an American mystery film and it stars Hayley Mills Ally Wallich and Peter. Mcken Rian It's a story about a jewel thief hiding on the island of Crete was produced by Walt Disney productions and it was based on a novel by Mary Stuart and also directed by James Nielsen. So it features the quote legendary silent film actress Paulette Negri in her final screen performance. Is that the aunt or something. No that's the later the Cheetah. Oh okay the film features gorgeous on location photography increased by Paul beason rotten tomatoes. Has it at a sixty three percent. Now that explains meal give it a sixty three but before the now's late twenty. I'm like at ninety. I love my that is so good I also just like create was a beautiful background. It was really because there were some parts where I was like. Oh my gosh shied saw that. Yeah I remember you saying that. The one point. I was not with meg on that trip. She was not all right. Some fun facts. So Pola Negri who woman actually find out what her actual name was in there. Madame Habib that's right that's right She had actually been retired for about twenty years when Disney himself came and convinced her to come out of retirement. Just to make this film. She had a pretty short scene. So it couldn't have taken that much convincing. It would probably just be one day on Sunday. I think it's funny though. So she's been retired for twenty years and we find out what from what you just read that. She was a silent film actress. And so here. She has like twenty years. Yeah No Despite good reviews and Hayley Mills having a popularity with young audiences at this time still this film did Kinda Fail. The box office So instead of reissuing it in the theaters it was shown two years later three parts on the Disney Sunday night. Tv show which. I believe it was. Oh Yeah it was. Put into three parts So it costs five million dollars and that made this. This made this. At the time was one of the Disney studios most expensive live action movie. Productions probably had like that like thorough lure action. Yeah there are a lot of like action. Special effects type scenes are like stunt scenes that you would have to do and like make it like you at all like the The name of the AZUSA having to go to create filming and everything for part of it was also filmed in England though so it was like half and half but still a really The Cheetah's name very important was Shalimar. Oh that's cool And it was originally supposed to just be a domestic cat but when Poland Hungary. Read the script. She was like we should get a cheetah so they did I mean I. It was a cool touch. Yeah you're going to be said about this. This is the fifth of six films. That Healey Mills made for Walt Disney. I think that were coming up quick to on her next on her last one. She in the monkey's uncle no that was an no From Jello never mind. I don't know what she's in At the time of Filming Actress Joan Greenwood who played? The ants was married to actor Andrea. Moreau who was the yacht captain. Ooh behind the scenes romance more romance last fun fact. This was Hayley Mills first. Onscreen Kiss Guy Thought. She did a good job with his duty new. Today's classic Disney in Elastic Disney. It was cute alright so characters we have first up his Nikki who that is played by Hayley Mills. So Nicky is. I think she is meant to be about eighteen in this film. Now I don't know sixteen seventeen eighteen. I don't know something like Nineteen Twenty nineteen to but she comes on holiday with her aunt in the book she travels alone a really And she comes across as kind of just one of those people that is like of her surroundings you know. So like she's there and she notices Mark like almost immediately like they like they both do. It's kind of just like connection that Zing Zing But I I mean I like her story arc. She comes across as kind of this. Just almost I kinda WANNA compare her to like bas growth of being like the imagine the parent trap and she is the dad's daughter and she goes from like properly proper to like rugged you need learns. Let go and be a little bit more adventurous. Yeah well she I mean she definitely has the adventure bug though. She's like not. She's not nervous to just like go and help the sky. She's all about it I kind of you hers Griffin Door in this film I wouldn't say Hoffa buff really. Yakushi wants to help in any way she can. She really noses do but she's like you need a new shirt unique first-aid kit. I got you. I just view it as very brave because she literally almost got killed. That's true you wouldn't lay down their life. No just very courageous Continue We have ally Wallich as stratus. So stratus is the bad guy this dude. I don't like him at all. No he was pretty annoying so he was like the owner manager of the moon spinners in he also the one that was doing the handoff of jewels and the one that had hidden jewels and was always out there. Patrolling maybe even me. I'm sorry if I made anybody else there. You're thinking of your thinking on their And he's just not a nice man. I mean first of all he is blatantly. Being not racist is the right word but like you know prejudice against digging through their stuff and they're saying that yeah that's like not okay is definitely being prejudice towards British people On top of that he literally is just kind of he just had like no hold on anything like He. You know anything to get this jewel to where it needed to go and to keep it protected like to the point where he was willing to kill two people which I mean. I guess it's probably gotta hundreds of thousands of dollars transaction but like sheesh. He didn't do a very good job of not looking guilty though He was like Oh that guy he Chucked out right. I know I thought this thing all right like clearly. She's like what's up. Stratus is like just a death eater. Oh my I'm going to agree with that. Because death eaters just like to follow along after Volta Amore and Lottie DA. They don't really know like what morals are so this dude clearly some problems Next up we have mark. Who is played by Peter mckenry so he is the British guy who's in trouble trying to get the jewels back to clear his name and the love interest of Nikki Haley. Smu Griffin Moore or southern. Because dude goes all the way out of the way I mean. His name has been thrown in the dirt. So he's gotTa do something right and it's driving him so much so nuts he won't just like go to another country start over. He's like no. I'm writing many clearing my name and he goes always cre- in like does all this James Bond action stuff honestly. Yeah just as apparently this dude that works at a bank right. I KINDA WANNA put him in Slovenian. He's still super ambitious to like even think too. I don't know I guess it's also courageous. He's a he's a referendum referendum or a slither door. Jim Thome Oh yes all right. Max's Alexis Alexis. I don't really know like we. We see him a lot but we don't really know much of him he's just like super hopeful is Ratto says nephew. Yeah We just like they're your Beck and call. Yeah just wants you to like know everything about his country and like just super proud of like culture which is really cool. I thought that they were trying too hard to make him sound. Like English was his second language. I agree with that. It was like tube broken We'll know he'd be taken but it was like he had perfect English accent but then he would like talk. Like English wasn't his first language as it was like on like to own. So it's like either get somebody who's actually that ethnicity that has the correct accent or like. Gts Yeah just yet. Just having speak like normal I dunno and if that's really the way he talked that's cool. It just sounded like it was. We don't want it to be over-dramatise yeah I feel like it was just done too much. Like that's not actually what he should have sounded like but I would put Alexis probably in hustle puff. Because he's very loyal to his friends. Mr Hope I'm going to do one more. We can do Madam Habib. So this is the millionaire who is super interested in gems. Who's buying this jewel gem from stratus for her collection but she does have a heart. Yeah you would think like. It's kind of scary. Because she's like this. Almost creepy old woman like super-rich on this big boat and the random teenage girl comes in and she gets drunk and try to get the story out of her. And I don't know man you think that she would just be like nope disposable yom she isn't a villain it'll yeah now she's like you. Would she set up to be the perfect villain? But she doesn't turn out to be the perfect villain. I appreciated that And for that I put her in Raven clock. Oh she does seem very muchly room while she's just very wise just smart with like her decisions and what she does. And she's intuitive. Seem very articulate. Yeah really liked her. All right the fun part the phone part for you. The part of the movie and character SMA favorite character is like a thousand percent Nikki. I loved her fussers super. Ba she saves the day quite literally she does actually Great like heroin. I loved her. She comes across is just this lake young girl on vacation and then all of a sudden is changing marks life by helping him figure out how to get this gem in like fully invested in in you know freeing his name basically. I'd she was going to die for him. You would have died for. He was too. Yeah but like they both were going to get the axe. Let's be honest like you know. Stratus wasn't coming back to the windmill to untie her and let her go back to her aunt. You know So Nikki's definitely my favorite character. My favorite scene I really loved the windmill seen. I thought it was really good. Did you hate it no I? I honestly these don't I don't know I don't I? Can't this movie was really hard for me to follow? I don't know why so like I have very broken pieces of it in my brain. I just thought that it was really like. It was exciting daring. And the whole idea of like that was the only way out was to jump onto the actual windmills and then like they're spinning around and Nikki is trying to get off of it and then she kind of does she like falls not so gracefully off of it but like sort of slowly so that she doesn't into herself But I just thought that it was good because you see Alexis. Go Up Untie her. Get her down. Show her how to get down. And then you kind of have to wait for Nikki to take jump and then mark is about to like come up there in helper. But then he's injured because he shot in his arm and he can't do it. You can't hold on tight enough. So then she is just like no. I'll do it. I'll do it. And then she does it bravery. Yeah you know. I'm getting confused because we just watched the new version of the first pokemon movie and there was a windmill that to enroll mixed up my brain. What's who's your favorite character I'll go with mark because he was like no man. I'm not letting someone I don't even know ruin my reputation. Yeah anyone after it. His life your own life like he'd have to start over and he not only is named cleared. You got a pretty girl out of it You know My favorite scene probably like when they show up on the yacht and they walked. She walks into that room in that Cheetahs Ler. Yeah I was just like Whoa Cheetah and it per D- My least favorite character stratus just because he's a bad guy in he has no good qualities. And I'm not a fan in my least favorite scene Probably whenever mark is trying to get the No stratus is in the Bay of dolphins getting the jewels and then mark is coming to like attack. Ham and get them. I thought that the fight that they had was a little bit overacted But that's me being picky because you loved this. I really did. My least favorite is probably straddles is just because he was really used as a creep. Yeah he's not nice is not a guy and he was the inbetween of a heist and he was just kind of scum Lease favorite scene. I don't really like when Nikki again yeah. When Nikki found mark leak in that crypt because this is a weird place and I thought the acting was Kinda weird there. But that's just me. You're kind of weird. I I agree with you What we took away from it to be brave and don't let people walk all over you. Yeah I didn't really know what was going to say that. Don't people tell you how you have to live your life because they think that you're guilty of something when you know you're not make sure that it's known that you're not and don't let anyone underestimate you? Yes Nikki Mott said looks like this. Just those young carefree girl and she is which hangings but she actually has like this braveheart. Any mean yeah. So don't she's the one that saved the day Tis true? I rate this movie at ten out of ten highly. Recommend you can Take that recommendation. Go ahead I fully like a think that Maga's like entitled to that one hundred percent because I don't know what my problem was. I just couldn't get into it. Okay I don't know maybe it was just too tired. You know. Maybe it's happened sometimes. Yeah maybe that's why we hated like the sword and the Rose so much or Rob Roy. Now those real not just bad boy all right. GimMe that Disney memory. This won't comes from Melissa. Dare Megan Katie. I thought I'd share with you. My Most Cherished Disney memories as my family has always loved Disney and Disney movies. Daddy's to to rent my two sisters in I seven videos for seven dollars for seven days at the local video store. The movie rented. We're mostly always Disney family films. Because they were included in the Special. Most often are seven. Movies will be the same a mix of Swiss family Robinson pollyanna Snowball Express BLACKBEARD's ghost the parent trap among others. We loved each of these movies but as a family we especially love Swiss Family Robinson. How many times you watch that movie as a family. I couldn't even tell you and once my nieces were old enough. We'd watch it with them as well. It holds dear place in each of our hearts. We never had the chance to Disneyland. His children but as adults we have gone as family several times the first time. I went to Disneyland in two thousand five a new that it Disney. I knew that at Disneyland. They had changed the Swiss family. Treehouse to Tarzan's treehouse. Before we went and I was a little sad that it had been changed said that they have to keep up with current trends as well. Fast forward to two thousand sixteen. My parents decided for their forty fifth weather wedding anniversary. They wanted to go on a big trip as a family so we went on a fourteen day trip to Disneyworld. That's awesome yes. My parents insisted on paying for everything. That's even more awesome. We stayed at the French quarter. Hotel had ten day passes to the parks. Aided all the fancy restaurants and just had a wonderful time but this memories from the very first day we entered magic kingdom and we're headed towards the jungle cruise when we looked up and saw it all caps. The Swiss Family Robinson treehouse. I just assumed that it was changed. Like the one Disneyland. I may have squealed not an attractive moment for thirty two year. Old Understandable my opinion. I know that it's just a replica from an old movie that that honestly most people don't know about in it's not even a ride but walking through. That tree house was so special. It made me feel in that one moment practically the first moment over trip that every moment to follow in that trip was going to be magical and it was magical with many other cherishing moments. The seeing the water wheel in the fridge and mother and father's room and seeing the pipe organ that they brought over from the ship hearing the Pipe Organ Music. They played when they all dance with. Roberta I mean come on Magic Lou waving my parents from the top of the tree house and just gobsmack to be in the treehouse. Though it was just a brief moment the start of our time and Disneyworld. A really touched me. It was a surprise gift to us. All Cheers Melissa from Langley Canada. Oh and she sent a picture which says quote attached here votto evidence of Mike Lee. And it's hurting the tree house with awesome. That is so cool because especially like it because that thing is still there it is it is an old movie youth. You would think that they would have re themed it. But it's cool that they didn't for these exact reasons right here because I'm sure someone else I was like. Oh my God like I used to watch all time as a kid or something like that and I love that you got to have that moment. Is there for the older Disney fans? You know But that's so cool. Yeah that is. That's the best way to start your vacation. Yes and I love that. It was a surprise. Alright so thank you Melissa. And if you lovely listener would like to share your Disney memory with us. Email us at grownup kids. Podcast at gmail.com. It could be absolutely anything Disney related so just send it in and will be sure to feature it on the show. Oh let's slow me. Grow gets really fun and pod deny tunes the Google Play Store. Stitcher tune in and spotify. So make sure you subscribe so you can get our latest episode. 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Target USA  Episode 164: Exercise African Lion 2019

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Target USA Episode 164: Exercise African Lion 2019

"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA. Agadir's morocco. And what you hear behind me as a Moroccan military, h forty seven helicopter. It's called Chinook and the US on this episode. You're going to hear why the US military and those of six other nations got together here to conduct something called exercise African lion. Twenty nineteen general Roger clue DA commanding general of US army Africa breaks down what happened and why and what it means for the future of the US military. This is a multinational exercise balls about eight. Partner nations, both partners and allies African partners and European allies. We also go off to remote field locations to observe parts of the exercise. I the tenant Wilson Meyer. I am I tune later for patchy troop once Cavs second brigade combat team hundred first airborne division, air salt. I'm down here, Morocco conducting platoon life exercises. What it's not all about military maneuver. There's a humanitarian component to this exercise. So we have a gentleman who shows up, and he has a huge system his leg. He can't wear pants. He can't work. He can't provide for his family. Wait until you hear what happened to him at this field hospital that and more coming up on this episode of target USA NASA security. From WTO in Washington DC. This is target USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous. Terraced DC is repeatedly mentioned someplace they would like to see an attack cyber criminals. Successful. America as a target on its back and on this program. We investigate the threats the people behind them, the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA be national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay green eleven hundred US troops and more than a thousand from Morocco and six other nations or here in Morocco. The see how well vacant work together to solve some very complex fictitious, but complex problems that all relate back to violent, extremism and instability. And by the way, this is designed to make sure that if needed in the future, they can all work together as a joint command so interoperability is the main objective, but as the commanding general of US army Africa, Major General Roger clued, he told me when we sat down and by the way, US REI Africa is taking over as the lead coordinator for this next year. There's a lot more to the scenario. There's relationships political sensitivities and there are people's lives hanging in the balance. JJ let me give a little context. This is the sixteenth year of African lion. The United States Marine corps is kind of in the lead element for the past fifteen years, and this is a transition year. US army Africa is going to become the lead planner and the lead sponsor of the exercise starting next year. So this was kind of a transition year for us. So the role were playing here is we're going to be the coordinating element the element that that brings the exercise together that works with the host nations to plan the scenario and bring forces to bear on to train exercise. Exercise was also an opportunity for US army Africa to try out some new things morning, Lieutenant Colonel Mattie Browns of US. Army? Africa's early entry command post we provided any capability US army Africa and US Africa command as one of the only dozen dated joint task force capable headquarters. We'd fight early entry on a continent and teams of of three three personnel up to two hundred personnel. And we. Mission. Command command control for foreign humanitarian assistance operations limited interventions new operations, basically anything nation needs to do to assist our partners here on the African continent. And clearly explained that's not the only thing they brought down for the exercise. I heavy deployable joint task force headquarters that I brought down here and show my headquarters serving as the combined joint test force headquarters for the oval operation, and then underneath us. We have component headquarters. Both the land component the air component and the naval component. And so we're providing that overarching command and control and allowing the subordinate components to exercise in their respective domains. Why is the exercise always in Morocco? Well, historically been that way for the past fifteen years. This is kind of weird started on the exercise started as a bilateral exercise between the United States and Morocco, and it kind of morphed over the years now when includes heavy participation by the Utah national guard, Morocco state partnership program, we have one seven five Cav. We have our regionally aligned forces here some able forces some air force forces out of on aware base. But it started off as a bilateral exercise between the United States Morocco three years ago to nesia became part of the package, and then overtime more and more allied nations. I have started to participate. One would ask most people have asked me why is this being located in academia this year? Is there any overarching or compelling reason why the exercises here this year? Well angers in the southern zone who ten jail Furuya southern zone commander. There's great training venues ranges maneuver space down here in what would the Moroccans called the southern zone. So it's just it's supports the exercise. Well, there's great training facilities on allows us to to get after the training objectives that we wanna get after. What would you say to the layperson who asked what you're trying to accomplish here in these exercises with all of the partners all the countries here JJ, there's an old African proverb that says if you want to travel fast travel alone, if you wanna travel far travel together, and this is about traveling far. This is about strengthening our partner networks, both African partner networks and our allies. And this is about. Training with the Moroccans on so that they developed capac- and they become net exporters of security and the objective. According to clue DA was for the US end its partners to travel together. And one of those partners is the United Kingdom's military. My name's captain Thomas jetty icon team within the UK, specialized infantry, we deploy around the world's working with on forces to try and build custody in key areas. Hidden Tiffany today. We've just finished the fun excise of African line nineteen. Team five might team have been working with American on alongside the hosts for BRCA train against countering. Vaunted extremists organizations to threat faced us fix was in Enuma success fulling on the back of some very productive training of the six days. And with before it's a continuing these friendships into next iteration that interview with captain jelly took place the day before we sat down with general clue and he talked about the importance of next year and the future. So which show yesterday was Moroccan forces Tunisian forces forces from the from the UK and US forces all training again. What that does it strengthens the relationships and were we want to work on the relationship before we need the relationship. So this is an enduring partnerships overtime that increase our partner capacity and increase or ability to operate in joint and coalition environment. So again, we wanna travel far. So we wanna travel together. John Kennedy said something to that effect about repairing the roof or building before you need it to number of people have said that. And that's absolutely correct working on a relationship before you need. How would you assess what you've been able to accomplish? So far this exercise. Well, our partial, you know, our relationship with the nations that are participating African line is strong. They're all strong nations. You case here candidates here. Santa glazier here. Spain is here. A Francis here, Morocco, Tunisia. So a lot of great strong partnerships again this exercises. This is the sixteenth year that has been ongoing so. The relationships are very very strong. So so I'm really happy about what we're doing. Here Morocco is is very strong capable partner on the connett show is to nesia, and they're kind of the two cornerstones of African lion. So I think we've accomplished a lot. And again, you know, the most important takeaway, we've done great training. We've done great interoperability. We've all aren't a lot. But as you walk around the training site, you see American soldiers standing shoulder to shoulder with Moroccan, Tunisian counterparts forming those relationships and somewhere down the road, they're going to need each other. And that's what's important. You made very interesting adage one of the days, we've been here regarding the young lieutenants that are training together from the different nations and continuing through their careers. Becoming generals and realizing the value of their relationships that started so many years ago. But you remind us what that adages. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we were talking, and, you know, so the lieutenants that are on the ground today training with their Moroccan Tunisian UK French counterparts one day, they're going to be generals. And we don't know what is going to bring him. We don't know where we're gonna find ourselves ten or fifteen years from now and one day in a place for away. The none of us have even thought about yet that Lieutenant will one day be a general and he's going to look across. You know, the table, and he's going to see someone that he trained with fifteen or twenty years before and that relationship and that sheared bond that shared experience will help them move forward together. General I've heard that same ad is applied to the the bad people that are out there. The the young gunrunners the young terror acolytes, the young weapons dealers out there and someday they will look back and realize they they've made relationships, and then they will use their relationship to build on to call on call in favors, etc. So I'm amended the understanding that this exercise in large part is designed to stay ahead of these organizations and stay ahead of those people and they're thinking as well. So when thinking very much like, you are what is the advantage that you have over them. Well, I mean, let let's talk about the humanitarian assistance exercise, we went out. And so yesterday, so ten thousand cases have been seen over period about eight thousand individual patients in about ten thousand separate cases. A lot of young children were seeing who received glasses for the first time cataracts were removed. I mean, I think you saw on the activities that wrong going. They will remember that. And they will remember that the United States was here. And this is what the United States did for us. And so that's important in our young soldiers, sailors, airmen marines that are out there. Those are in Bassett ours for the United States of America. And so that's what we're trying to do. The United States is is an enduring partner that is a friend for life, and once you're friends with the United States, we're not going anywhere. So let's talk. Excuse me. Let's talk a few minutes about the threats that are out there. And then we'll maybe talk a little bit more about some of the other elements that took place or taking place along the course of this exercise. There is fictitious organization CV or VO. There's a this. This whole thing is based in part on a fictitious VO called IFI talk to us about how that threat in the scenario mirrors reality. Well, you know, if you look across Africa, there's a lot of challenges on Africa's facing high unemployment rate youth, bulge ungoverned spaces that provides a lot of opportunity for competing ideologies or competing, you know. Systems that would draw people in and so in in the scenario. Were trying to portray an enemy that's competing for the people. You know in a in a counterinsurgency situation that people are the price. Right. And the enemy is a fish. That's wins in the sea of the people. And so that's what the competition for. And so we tried to depict in. This scenario is a the uninsured in organization that's trying to operate in. And among the people what we're trying to train on those core competencies that allow the host nation forces to do things like humanitarian assistance to demonstrate their commitment to the people their commitment to good governance. And one of the things we say is. In in a situation. Like, we're painting in his exercise when the military shows up to the people run towards the military or do they run away from the military? We're trying to do is make sure that people run towards the military. And as a matter of fact, there was a humanitarian effort underway during the exercise. It was a massive field hospital operation set up in an area very much like a desert in a place called Totta. I'm Lieutenant Colonel Paul Anderson with the Utah Air National Guard or here in Totta Morocco, providing a humanitarian service to the people in this region. I work in the dental section where we mainly provide extractions fillings, and if you cleanings we're also doing some training for our service members here in Morocco, and my religion -joyed being here and appreciate the opportunity to have come. And there was. A lot more going on than just routine dental and medical procedures. Let me tell you story. Colonel Matthew bird also of the Utah Air National Guard. So we have a gentleman who shows up, and he has a huge system his leg. He can't wear pants. He can't work. He can't provide for his family. So we see him. We take him back the operating room real to remove the cyst, the large surgeons of scene, it's twenty year types, this you just never see this. You get that big. He's he's got he's got he'd had a rope tied around his leg holding it in place. When shows up we take that out his life has changed forever. He can provide for family he can work. He can be everything that he wants to be in life, and is because these simple things that we're able to do we're taking care of people. And speaking people how many folks would you estimate you've seen so far? So we've seen over eleven thousand and that's over a nine day period African lion. Twenty nineteen had some very lofty goals including improving robber, ability, and mutual understanding of African partner nations tactics techniques and procedures it also was designed to test out some activities involving the US military's capabilities. But one of the loftiest and sim. Split of objectives. At the same time for exercise African lion was simply sharing knowledge talked to us about the importance of not being no at all. It's really important. So a lot of times people will come into a situation. Like this and say, this is what I think we ought to do. And they missed the point the point is we'll have a commander say what you wanna do. What do you think as the host nation and our partners? Here are very capable. I mean, you saw the aircraft that were flying yesterday. You saw the combined trainee exercise, we did that was US UK Tunisians Moroccans altogether. You really couldn't tell one from the other. So. Or allies and our partners here. They've got a lot to share. And will we stress with our soldiers as you're going to learn as much as you're going to teach. And so you know, we got to ears and one mouth. So we probably ought to listen twice as much as we talk and sometimes listening is more important than talking banks to general Clooney's generosity of his time and understanding of media needs. I was able to observe very closely. Exactly, what was going on even hear the conversations that he was having with the inner circle during exercise African lion. Twenty nineteen. We think this will help you when you go back to Spain or good. Hold on. One of the conversations you're having with your counterparts here. You have been a number of briefings that have been privileged to attend. And I I see you observing and listening to your your staff brief you on what's going on what kinds of little conversations going on between the u join the course of these briefings kinds of things are you thinking in talking about. Well, we talk a lot about vision for next year. So this is a transition year for us. We're talking a lot about where we wanna go. And I talk a lot with them about what are your training objectives? We want to train on our core. Competencies and make sure that we we hone our were fighting skills. But what do they want to train on? So Lieutenant John Furuta southern zone commander. He's got a vision. He's got some objectives. And so we have a lot of discussions about. How do we bring our visions together? I think we're both. In in very strong agreement on where we wanted to go next. And then there's a lot of just relationship building. There's just talking about families talking about hopes and dreams and futures. And and just talking. There were a lot of situations where the leadership from the nations represented were sitting and drinking Moroccan, tea and eating Moroccan delicacies small talk and big talk in the process while they were continuing to build their relationships strengthen their bonds and also formulate their plans for the future. What would you say is been the most encouraging part of this exercise to you? You know, when I go out, and and I see those young soldiers, you know, regardless of what uniform they're wearing. We were every single soldier. I've talked to since I've been your sailor airman. Oh, marinas matter of fact, is talking about how much they have learned. And what a unique experience this has been for them. I met a young eighteen year old airman first time been in the air force. I think just over eighteen months, and now she's in Morocco, and she's out in the desert, doing humanitarian assistance mission tears in as she describes a woman that hasn't seen twelve years. All of a sudden can see the young soldier out of four Campbell who's been in the army less than two years. And he said sure I never even dreamed. I would come to Morocco, and it's been such an awesome experience to share what I know and Alern from our Moroccan counterparts. That's encouraging because our soldiers sailors, airmen, marines, get it. They understand what this is all about. And speaking of that young soldier from Fort Campbell. My name is first tenant Wilson Meyer. I am I with tune later for patchy troop once I'm five Cavs second brigade combat team hundred first airborne division, air salt. I'm down here, Morocco conducting platoon life are exercises. Just before this. My platoon was training Moroccan forces with the help of other British forces out of employees all of our direct fire weapon systems. It's important down here because it showing all of my soldiers that rock and forces allied counterparts are competent confident and just as lethal as we are. And another key equally important group that was represented at the exercise was women and Steph sergeant Christine Miller from the Colorado Air National Guard. I'm currently in the pediatric tent here in Morocco. We see Pete's from age birth from birth to age fifteen around or the Nathen go, see our doctors. Here in this tent where super important because we are building our Moroccan counterparts. And as I'm not a Pedes nurse by trade. But I'm able to learn the different things for pediatrics or so different than adult general Clooney, a and I spent a lot of time talking about success, but I had to ask him about failures as well. The downside negatives. I mean, we don't like to talk about them, but the always exist, and I would be remiss if I didn't ask you to characterize the challenges that you and even the exercise the US all of its partners face. I mean, there's challenges associated with bringing, you know, eight different nations. Together. There's language barriers. We we have different quip men. We have different techniques that we use. But it's really their challenges, but their challenges that we worked through. And that's really, you know, why this exercise import does this about interoperability and understood. Banding where our partners allies you're coming from and thinking through the challenges that we might face on a battlefield somewhere in the future and working through them in training environment. Where if you don't get it, right? No one gets hurt. And so we want to figure all that out now. So we don't have to figure it out in the future. Why should Americans care? What you know Morocco is a strategic partner, this is a strategic relationship the Moroccans, for example, in the Tunisians have become net exporters of security, so stable strong nations that our allies importers with the United states' matter on the geographic location of this areas important as or other countries in Africa Africa, self important by twenty fifty forty percent of the world's population growth is going to occur on the African continent. It's going to be inexcessive two billion people. It's a strong economic engine. There's lots of natural resources here. Geographically, it's important. And in that context, we have to be involved here. We have to be engaged in Africa it because if we're not engaged than other countries being gauged. I won't go into the details of that. Because I know that's very political. But it is very clear and very obvious. That's taking place. Now. It's not something that may happen down the road. But there have been other intern or other international other, quote, unquote, great powers that have shown great interest in Africa. And this exercise seems to me to be sending a message is that right? Well, it shows the capability of our partners, it shows highlights relationship, and in highlights, you know, our ability to operate together to project combat power deploy forces conducted training event and shows that we have strong relationships whether allies importance in the region, you know, and I think that's an important message to send in the rest of the world. She's the imports of Africa too. And everybody understands what's going on west thing than. What message would you like to leave for not just the American people, but anybody and everybody that's listening to our program. I, you know, I think what's really important. You know is for the folks back home to understand is right now out in the Moroccan desert in the Tunisian desert. There are great young Americans. Army air force navy marines interagency partners that are on the cutting edge of America's diplomacy. They are out here making a difference. They're training hard other doing great things. And I think the folks back home should be really proud of these great young Americans and what they're doing when I'm out there. Watching them train, I'm filled with hope filled with hope for for our country filled with hope for where we're going, and I feel really confident that our nation's in good hands because we got great young people at here. Great things. Major General Roger clue this was the sixteenth year of African line. And this being the first time that I've observed it I can honestly say in the absence of previous experience covering this event. The opportunity to listen in as the senior military leaders from the countries involved talked helped me understand and envision what they were trying to accomplish. And here's the bottom line. Africa is a big beautiful promising talented continent, but it's got some major problems with corruption violent extremism, human and drug trafficking, poverty and terrorism and a lot of wide open spaces for them to plot. And plan all of those problems are the same that we have on every other continent in the world, even in the US and those problems don't just stop at the border of a country ISIS in Iraq and Syria is a perfect example. They infect other countries. And territories. So it makes perfect sense to me that African lions attempt to bring all of these countries all of these military doctrines all these tactics and concepts together in a joint space. The fight problems. Together is absolutely what the doctor ordered. So that's it for this edition of target USA. And as always I'm deeply grateful that you decided to allow me an opportunity to talk to you for a little while. Thank you for your support. And please I would like to ask if you would subscribe to our podcast. 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EPISODE 367 - ANG KWENTO SA LIKOD NG LUMANG BAHAY, ATAUL, AT ANG BABAENG UMIIYAK

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EPISODE 367 - ANG KWENTO SA LIKOD NG LUMANG BAHAY, ATAUL, AT ANG BABAENG UMIIYAK

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#1338 Drew's Secret Family

The Adam and Dr. Drew Show

34:21 min | 7 months ago

#1338 Drew's Secret Family

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Promo. Code Adam for twenty five percent off. Recorded live at Corolla one studios with Adam Corolla and board certified physician and Addiction Medicine Specialist Dr Drew Pinski. You're listening to. The Adam and Dr drew show get it on get on a big. Magnum packers, Bertrand Session peace with specialists, and because of addictions are people who. So I'm going to tell you my tale about my family history, but take get these calls the way for. Ghana line to go down run Justin forty-two Orange County. Hey? Hey. Hey Thanks for taking my call Huge Fan. I was just curious what your guys opinion was on the current like national polls 'cause seems like trump is not leading he's he's behind by double digits and. I'm a Democrat turned Republican. So curious what your thoughts are. So. A rare rare gazelle was in Orange County It's funny. The only Republican place around here Orange County essentially and every time. I. talked to someone from Orange County. We're open people around they're eating having a good time. Took is their problem. No. People are enjoying themselves down actually. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. Is that okay. I it's like. I I. It's it's. I guess there's a thing in life and I'll I'll I'll tell you just I don't know what happened. I'll I'll tell you this and I think it's this way in relationship. You know you know what I'm saying. What I'm saying is as I said it so you don't know what I'm saying I I'm listening listening. You have these relationships you know and and people are, oh, you left the door unlocked again honey and I I went to bed and I woke up this morning was unlocked the whole night in this you gotta remember to shut that door you know, and then there's a kind of A. Oh the trash guide and pick up the trash cans because it was facing the wrong direction he couldn't get the hook. I gotTA face the. And there's so there's that. and. Then there's a weird part where it's like. Wait a minute. Are you unlocking the door intentionally and then going to bed? 'cause I, caught you unlocking the door before you went to bed. I thought this I thought this was a problem that needed. You didn't know you came home yet groceries you forgot to lock I. Didn't know your unlocking we went to bed active procedure. Yeah. I didn't know the garbage man got out of the garbage truck and turn the can the wrong direction and then kept driving never emptied it. Data's what Los Angeles feels like. Now you know what I mean I'm going I got two kids are supposed to be in high school. Why aren't they going to school after the election? Okay. Are we worried about the kids or science or anything at this point? Are we just punishing people who disagree with us or something man have Disneyland or Disney that fifty thousand jobs are affected twenty-five thousand directly at Disneyland and every other government on Earth Talks to Disney about guidelines for opening Florida Shanghai bauge every place there's a Disneyland they were given guidelines and they open no cases except California who won't even talk to the Disney people I don't even. I now, I don't know perplexed or unlike numb I'm like. Where are we like where my kids are doing school for their bed today and I'm like I is there some timeline as their plan doesn't fucking hurt kids What's going on where all these other countries that have opened the school's other states that have opened the schools, other districts that have opened the school. Why? I. Why do we have to be so different? Woman last night's okay. My my kids going back to school Monday and your kids you're. That's a private Christian school. Oh. Okay. So I guess you guys get to go back to school i. I just saw Mike August through the glass. He's like, yeah, it's all political when the when the election's over land. This and that seem. Abusive. Abusive. But also putting even to the people who are on the side of the people they elected like, okay you're Democrat you're a democrat. Still GonNA use my power that. To. Disobey. Off. Putting the people who voted for these people. Are wouldn't vote for him anyway. But he who voted for them. This is not doesn't bother you at all doesn't make you think a little bit about the next time you to Chad but it's weird, right? We've accepted this essentially. Prison California hospitals us are hospitalized with low coat. Sorry. You read them. California's hospitalized with covid nineteen at lowest level in six months. And I will. I will point out to you that Dr Galley who's the clinical director for the state two weeks ago guaranteed a eighty five percent increase in hospitalizations. Why? Because of? Labor, day behavior. Right instead, we're the Lowes we've been. What's it been a month and a week since Labor Day. Yeah six weeks. Okay. Where is it? Where's the apology? Or just the knowledge that you could not have been more wrong were down thirty percent. You said, we'd be up eighty percent. So, we should trust your judgment. Apologize, and then adjust that fine justin. Justin what's important is you got to vote for John Morlock Your Orange County's Senate California. said, he's the only sane patient person in the Senate John Morlock he's been helping me with the gravely disabled stuff the homeless and he he's a sane person and that was with him yesterday city feels like he feels like the. chainsaw murder in that in that GEICO commercial where the kids are being chased by changing. And they go. Shall we go in that car that's running with keys in it or should we hide behind all this chainsaws in the hat right they and they're like go with the car you crazy and the guy the chainsaw murder picks up his hockey Max like you not commercial. Feels that all the time up in the Senate like like, what what, why are you doing this? What is the matter with you and I feel like that constantly when you see the So do that just as far as the polls go who the hell knows. I tend to listen to him, but we we got fooled four years ago. Maybe we'll be fooled again who I, I agree can I ask you a quick follow up question as man would you ever consider moving to Orange? County it's much better down here. I was born in La I, went to high school in the San Fernando Valley and I love it here. So go to high school in the. San. Fernando Valley. CRESPI. Oh, Crespera. That's a private school. What are you doing in Orange County and where? Well I moved here about seven or eight years ago honestly for the canvas business So that's what I'm doing down here but I love it down here way better than I like it la I keep visiting my friends in La and trying to convince them to come down. Nobody wants to take me up on it. How open is Orange County. I was just there zero weekend. It's no masks I was when I was talking to you when I was running I was gonna tell you I was run by people no mask no mask. Wow that's it's pretty open. I mean like I don't feel like anybody's being irresponsible. You know the city's I'm in Huntington beach the cities have been pretty good about letting the restaurants and public places Kinda. Good. The mass thing it's like the thing about the mask is. Especially, with the kids, I just got off a southwest flight people wearing those things around their ankles. You know they're down to handing out snacks, drinks, and things are. Literally on the PA going now, you got keep that mask on Oh of course unless you're eating a snack here, we'd like another of Pretzel Sir. Okay I'M GONNA put my fingers in my mouth. Nine inches away from this other human beings putting their fingers in their mouth and this cigar tube I mean the southwest flight we flew out on. It was crowded. There was open. I looked it up the seven thirty, seven, eight, hundred. I think it was holds one hundred and twenty people. There were eighty people on that plane that plane. Is You know the size of to our vs back to back and it's like putting eighty people? Putting, eighty people in a hallway that sixty feet long. I don't know what else to say if you're going to transmit transmission, you can go. Well, the air is scrubbed in those things. Everyone's getting on getting off the plane Blah Blah Blah. I. Don't I don't get it. WHY ISN'T EVERY FLIGHT ATTENDANT AMERICA DROPPING DEAD I mean it it defies lodging. You're just look I can see it with my own eyes. I haven't heard a thing from anybody I've I've flown all over the place now there's no like, wow, we had to cancel flight because of covid. Nothing's going on. It's just people are flying then. We grabbed these stories like deal hugely went to kind of Nashville got sick. Okay. It's it's a pandemic. The sometimes people are going to get the rock. Got It. Okay As easy alive. It's fine. What about his kids? Yeah. They got it but then nothing happened. They're fine. What about his wife nothing? Oh. Okay. So then what are we? What are we talking about? I don't I don't kid all of it. I'm the I'm. So I'm the opposite and of course. Each day drags on the problem with at Los Angeles. In California. Is Three months ago I was talking to Mike August and was saying. Well, they're not gonNA be able to drag this thing to the election and he's like, yeah, that's what they're gonNa do and I said that elections three months away then GonNa try we can't do this for another ninety day here we are down. Well now, the finish line is in sight right in the meantime the World Health Organization has come out strongly against lockdown the don't work there adversely affect people what. We gotta get that article. All right. Let me tell you about Tommy John. I always say push yourself. Seek the discomfort in the swimming pool this morning seeking my own Disgra. Just don't do it in your pants. Get Real comfortable in Tommy John Start every morning and Tommy John Underwear You'll be that much more comfortable. You'll do everything that much better Tommy John. They don't have customers they have converts and mean it. 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So last time it was at the end of May. and. I switched to starting with. Good. Three. Do that I finished with it well now now we can both shamed ruined to doing it. Well look drew. Would you like to get the maximum effect from this endeavor? Yeah. Okay. Then start with. Okay. What else how else do we need to say? Go ahead. Halo Championship biking Matt. Thank you. Thank you So I wanted to ask you guys if you've seen the documentary hoechst and it's kind of in relation to the car, you had last week about that Kinda got was super agitated about. Trump and you'd asked him if he'd you know who's who? that. Trump's keeping people in and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. This the Mike Ville documentary. Yes it is. Have you seen it? Bits of it yeah. That that call was just a guy who got all this news from MSNBC and he went right to the kids in border in cages and I said what that? That's an Obama policy that was before trump and he was like. He wasn't angry. He just didn't believe me well, he had a cognitive distance. No it's not. Okay. So that this documentary kinda takes on that exact topic of fake news and selective editing and trying to create a narrative around whatever they want and I think God. Is there and then it was taken. It was censored. It was taken down off youtube twitter or something. At one point and then the got reinstated it is so it is so interesting. But Yes, Thanks Matt you have to have if you have any that kids should watch this movie for sure you Ha- you but you to be sort of preloaded for it. To be biased that way or it's You and I were brought a broken record but stop but I was talking to Lynette the other night and I was like back in the day we'd go out to this restaurant. We'd go out to that restaurant and she'd go. To the restaurants I wanted to go down. But I, I would ask you every time like what are you in the mood for where you WanNa go how do you want to do this and she was like, yeah, we never went to the. Place I wanted to go and go well not. I get it I wanna go, Rhino, WANNA to go. But? She cited a time. We went to this trendy place in Hollywood and it was Kinda crowded and they shadows right next to another table. Sure. Kind of here you. And I said, I, don't WanNa sit you know and I was a Douche and we left. which definitely happened. But it is down on the record book of way never eight where I wanted to eat which is and it's like. First off that's impossible. Secondly, I said two hundred, Thousand Times you WanNa do Indian takeout tonight or you wanted to Japanese I mean how else could you work it? You couldn't. Have that in a relationship that person didn't Wyche Indian or didn't want to eat currier wouldn't do it wouldn't. Here we go. We're going. Wouldn't work it'd be. Curry. Argue at the table right and then it sorta albums places you wanted to go. Yeah that's that's true. Italian place, and then there's the Mexican place and I like going places and I would ask you which one you want to go but that is true. But how does it go? How does it get logged that way? You know what I mean and everyone does it yeah and I I mean. I. I'm really realizing though it's such a feminine. Thing. I mean if you have you know it from your wife, you probably know from your sister I know from my wife I know from my sister I'll talk my sister about stuff like well, then you said this and then you did that and it's like I have to recreate. Exchanges in meetings in instances. With our and it's also. Also it's it's all feelings better than you know like I said, he crossed his arms said get Outta here why he wouldn't say that why would he say that guy works for me he tell you to do that. That's not maybe you felt or whatever it is but. By the way. How are you supposed to ever overcome that? You know what I mean. And those exchanges are going down in the in the log book of well, we never did this because he always said, you wonder how that would I always found his most disturbing about those exchanges when accused of something like that it's usually the result of me being insecure or uncomfortable and feeling negatively about myself that I'm somewhat awkward in the exchange that goes down on. Goes Down as you were arrogant condescending. Right. So people superimpose their shit on you. All, the time because of how they felt right rather than could take you into effect what you're actually feeling right? Crazy. Can't get that one last call alter their shirts. kind of video. Game. Brian. Thirty eight after. Yeah. Three days. How you? God High Guy. I. Point. Point question for you I know you said in the past multiple times you can't get into video games. now yeah. Can't get video games. Well, I might. Change your mind in. Ears for. There's a game I. don't know if somebody works with the playstation xbox, whatever it is What out to describe to you is based on the pants for the playstation. Google Kearns Tannock Jimmy later and I think it might be something you could get into. All right. It's It's a game basically, I won't read the whole South the the an opposites than I could read for right now but It has on your cars get under the hood it. You solve problems you go. All right. On current. General mechanic. This though out of here's the really interesting question with this solve. The need to do things that you've been complaining men don't do enough of. I duNno, I. One hundred feet from here. I got a shop I got two cars up on Jack stands and we're like swapping the transmissions. I'm. So there's no simulation. It's it's going on one hundred feet from where I am but. It's cool and I appreciate it and people should do it and I'd rather my son do this then play fortnight. Right we? 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That is butcher box, dot com slash atom. Secret family dry D do that you wanted to who thing I see what everyone I'll start the secret family story So, one night. Maybe, fifteen years ago something like that you and I were in love line and Mark Young here guy wrote the mirror effect book. And, let's say USC Business School professor and he's a essentially a professor business. Human. Behaviour in business. And he and I had met he's a neighbor and he'd met we met out in the street and we were talking about celebrities and that's how we ended up. You know I keep saying there's lots of trauma narcissism and we started bringing in narcissistic inventory but before he. Started doing the testing that drove Adam crazy for many years. we were he was just sort of hanging out and in the early stage of our his relationship with us and with me. He goes to me. He says, you know I'm a big fan of film noir and I. I sent my mom is being those films she was in these films like the big easy. I think it was called the. Film Tomorrow's. These sort of sort of detective films in black and white. And so while we were on the air one night, he goes ahead and looks my mom. Because here's a here's a whole thing. Dedicated a biography dedicated to her yeah. These days Marie married at eighteen to some dude some William Mr that was a silent film Western Star brought her out here married a and I was like, well, that's interesting. Never heard never had no idea zero idea this twenty years ago. That mark said this to me I think it was about fifteen years ago. And And as I think I had a a typical reaction, I go i. Have raised this with you at the time. Is, somebody guys of silent film star Wife Number Five. Somebody some money. There is there is this guy. This is something here that life number five, number five, eighteen, your mom eight mom was eighteen. He was white. This is wife number five for him. Wow. So let's sort of think about think about that being a love line call. He's fifty five. She's eighteen wife five. Comes to Los Angeles. All I heard was was regaled. This is a long story. Tell me if I'm going off the rail all that with this. She used to Regale me was store us the whole family stories about who she hang out with, and she was on TV shoot TV. She was an opera singer, but she fashioned her. Fascist opera singer but she had come out here and suddenly she was kind of singing for big bands that toured choosing a lot of TV and then some fell is there a website we can go to? Just, look up Hellenes. The Gary Helene stands burry Stanton Lean Stanton was her they changed the name to that. And She'd always talk about Carolyn. Jones who we saw on love boat she was more tissue yeah, Stan? and. and with your mom yeah we talk about Anne Bancroft and she ruby looks like Paulina Lot little bit little bit there. Yeah I. Yeah, it's it's. Because look, go the one down below that went just I'll let you keep rolling ahead but that one. The go ahead I'll. I'll let you. I'll let you roll along. Quite, a siren. Yeah. My my grandmother had those same sort of aspirations of I'm being on stage and dance and stuff and I. Sort of get the through line of the. Difficult to be a mom and want to be on stage at the same time because it's kind of the opposite. Party, your brain. Like a mom is like I'm going to give up all my shit, dedicate myself to this right. It's the ultimate behind the scenes kind of job. It's a mom you know except on stage with different mind you harbor resentments for having done that you've probably take all that out on your kid. Yeah. So I got that. And well, my mom just gave kid away. Yeah I mean my grandma grandma grandma is like, Hey, I wanna go out and dance answer to Hollywood bowl a camp with a two year old. So give away I was busy. So, she wanted to go live that life to. For me, the Stockton Connection was. So here here's what you need says everything about my mom, she had a stepson for almost ten years. and one day just cut him off gone. The Stepson was the child of the of the four wives before her? Yes. Right. Right and they were married for ten years roughly. Yeah. And an in stockton though he ended up in Stockton our. To. The Guy and and just never if you remember his daughter approached me at a Gig you and I were doing at Santa Barbara when that. When we were doing those tours. Eight years ago so so This stepson when he thinks she knew him from what age what age for for. Eighteen eighteen and just yeah and when she was done with that life that was good. was that cut him off right it might remind you don. Draper. It just didn't happen member downdraft. I don't I don't want to defend your mom too much. But if your mom was so young like eighteen when that kid sorta came into her life. I it's got to be a weird relationship. Having an eight, an eighteen year old guy i. don't know if she ever felt like he was her son or stepson or mom or probably now look a nurturing woman. lenexa nurturing that Lynette would have had a relationship that can your mom wasn't that so So It's part your mom. It's also circumstantial thing that's. Right okay and he didn't harbor much resentment when I spoke to him which was drying, right? He said it was like having another kid in the house, right? Right eighteen year old right fucking. Weird. So they're married for ten years. So, here's a little comedy. So. I'm talking to the dentist from Stockton all this. Story because of Stockton. And So she was constantly repeating stories I, mean you you. She repeated them to you member used to complain about it. Right. Any sentence that starts with I used to complain about a man Yeah I'll buy it. Yeah. You could fill in member shells. That I just go must complained about Gotcha. Period I would complain about everything. So this is the comedy. So he goes yeah my dad was an asshole drank alive by my by finally she'd had whatever. And he goes you know they live down by the brea tar pits in that area and every Sunday night a couple came over every Sunday night they partied every Sunday in the the man was a artist that excuse me a character actor we recognize. Definitely famous movie actor. But. The wife and you may know her I don't know she. She would come a she. She died on stage years later anymore she played granny on the Beverly Hillbillies I'm like why why, and the beverly hillbillies watch that my entire childhood never did she go goal that woman I knew? Ever. Isn't that something? Just because when you grow up in passing that you did your house have a cement pond. No Swimming Pool No, we actually had a cement pond. Wasn't, but it wasn't the granny swimming pools of people. Wow in that. Crazy. 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Hour 1 Cohen back in prison, Trump book no longer in news, and Lionel

Mark Simone

33:25 min | 10 months ago

Hour 1 Cohen back in prison, Trump book no longer in news, and Lionel

"Arc. On the Voice of New York Seven W. Now is Friday. Hurricane. Fail whenever the hell that is all over the place today, but we got lots to get to. Is he the dumbest mayor in the history of cities? We'll get to that coming up president trump now. The black lives matter painted on Fifth Avenue. What is the real result of that? We got lots to talk about today. we'll get to the moronic Michael Cohen That was the dumbest movie I've ever seen in the history of parole. Probation Prison and we'll get to all of that coming up so The president not happy about. Black lives matter being painted on Fifth Avenue between fifth and S- Well on fifty, fifty, sixth and fifty seventh right in front of. Trump tower he will be happy though in a week with it I think. And I'll tell you why while you're not around to, but if if you go by there now ever since that got painted, it has become a street festival. I mean a nice one. There's music playing. People are taking pictures you know. Trump Tower was one of the biggest tourist attractions in new. York City people realize that the millions of people every year came to trump tower to take pictures in front of it front of the sign in front of lobby. Go inside, and they take pictures. It's quite a place. This is the kind of died out because you. You still got that, but it was kind of closed up, but now it's back yesterday. People were all over the streets I mean people from every which way? Again like a big street festival, and now did I hear that they've closed traffic on Fifth Avenue until Monday the whole weekend. It'll be closed. Pedestrian plazas so all the trump employees there at the building word. We'll get back to him that it has caused a resurgence in tourism to the building. Everybody's taking pictures and there, but for the most part trump fans seem to all posing it and pictures in front of the trump signed. There's a beautiful o'clock. Standing up on the street and says trump tower on it. They're taking pictures in front of that. The music is playing. If you are really interested in this protest, and what it's fighting for, and what it stands for your enemy, right now is build blasio. He is totally ruining any hope. You have of any real reform or change for him. This is all he can understand dumb publicity gimmicks. He's turned this into a dumb publicity stunts and create street festivals and I. Don't think that's what the original idea was I take. The original idea was to really get reforming changed. So George Floyd incident or anything close to it would never happen again. That is completely lost in the circus carnival. silly atmosphere of bill blogs. Did you see the ceremony yesterday where he was painting? Yeah, that's ridiculous. Ridiculous. Absolutely see by. Give it real credibility at Al Sharpton next to painting and. Carolyn Maloney. Who's a nice woman? Very Nice woman out the hell, did she? She doesn't know what to do. She's just one. Should he just want to keep her job? She would want her to paint this on the street. If that's what you gotTa, do to keep the job. She'll do it but she means well underneath all that so. Just the dumbest thing in the world president trump on Hannity last night, asked the. Blasi very nice to med to Blasi I got him ventilators when he needed him I, got him hospital. Help what he needed it. I got him everything he needed. I got him two gallons. I got him the masks I got him everything the shields. Quite a way to repay got that man everything I spoke to many times. He couldn't have been nicer then. He throws a big black lives. Matter sign right down in the middle of Fifth Avenue and all merchants along fifth avenue are furious. They're furious and the whole city is fears. Yeah, they were because it was quite a disruptive, but by the end of the day is the street festival began talking a lot of those merchants to kind of happy now. And again the president's staff start to tell them. It's pretty good for Fifth Avenue. It's pretty good for businesses creating a big street festival atmosphere a very nice crowd. Music is playing all the time people dancing in the street, but again if you're concerned about the movement and the reform and the change. This is hurting. You're going to just the this little street. Festival isn't what you're looking for and the next thing you know you know what happens when you do this stuff you get street festival stuff. YOU'RE GONNA! Get the Guy Selling the cotton candy. You're going to get the guys selling the dollar sunglasses. You, get those. Stupid things that they pedal pedicabs. You. It's GonNa. Turn into that, so that's not gonNA. Help But Actually, that the thing is now if they have people, they have crowd. You could classify that as a protest and they wouldn't violate social distancing. Is that correct? Yeah, that's the point. This mayor always said this kind of dumb. He's not a great mayor, but did you ever gauge? How incredibly stupid he is! As. You point out. He just put out a statement. He's canceling all public gatherings. Until September. The protests are the biggest. What about though? That's okay, that's okay, so how stupid! What could you do to look stupider than that? I'm going to allow protesting seven thousand people protesting no problem. twenty five people. Graduation can't do that, so how dumb! Is this guy? Is it just a a pharmaceutical issue? Did he have some sort of head injury that we don't know about was insist on two years ago. You own the guy for years five years ago. Was He this dumb? I don't know what you're right. Maybe something is going on with him, gave maybe he did bump his head, or maybe there something else going on, but because this does not make sense. Yeah, he was always like a lot of socialists in a like a Lotta. Guys, who were You know real swamp politicians who were taken big money from donors doing favors. There were very transactional is which meant they yell all their left-wing crap, but in the end in the back room. They were very practical guys and that was him. That was him. Something is different now. Again could be a pharmaceutical issue over the last few years. Something is going on. He has lost somebody, did you? Somebody said he lost his compass? It's more than humps. He's heading into Joe Biden territory the wary as he doesn't know what's going on he's. He's just lost it now. The scary thing is we've got another year and a half of this guy, so that's a pretty frightening. Now, it's it's different when Michael Cohen because if you know Michael Cohen, you know he was always in idiot. Nothing surprises you. With Michael Gone, so he got sent to prison for a couple of years. That's pretty pretty shocking. Couple of years in prison. The Corona virus hits an a miracle. He gets. Let out of prison because of the corona virus. You'll get house arrest. He lives on park. Avenue Round Fifty Ninth Sixtieth Street and he gets house. Arrest, What a lucky break! ONE YEAR IN PRISON! Next thing you'll serve the remainder of your sentence in a Beautiful Park Avenue apartment. Can you believe this guy's luck? Yeah, exactly but again. If you've ever talked to this guy, this guy, not the discussion the world so. He decides. You're allowed out by the way when you have house arrest, you can go out to get food or go to the drugstore. That kind of stuff. But when they say go to get food. I think you could go to Christine Dis. You could get some food. You could I. Don't think they mean. Go to Liebler K. and sit there till midnight with Donny Deutsch. Decide. That that's not what they meant I. Don't think they met go to lug a Lou and sit out there. Again with Donny Deutsch and You mentioned the conversation with these two guys. Combined I q of Maybe one hundred ninety between the two of them so. You saw the pictures of course people. That's the other thing when you're at those places. Lot of paid six buddies lot. `Paparazzi a lot of people around there. And everybody's got a phone, so they took pictures of Michael Cohen dining out on the street there and in the New Straits. Eight at five thirty kind of Boca Raton deal you eat at four thirty your home at six. That's one what you're sitting there till midnight closing up the place. So. He was asked to report yesterday the court to deal with this by the way this is not the US attorney's this. This is the bureau of Prisons. This is their matter. So, he goes down there and his lawyer. To lawyers trying to work this out, he thought he was going to go down there to sign some papers. That they might make more clear guidelines on what he can do, so he went down. Well. It wasn't a trick, wanted him to sign a document saying he would no longer go to these restaurants. No longer do this stuff also that he would not be doing a book. And Media tour to promote A, but he can't do any of that. In other words you can't work. You gotta stay at home. You're in prison, even though you're at home and he said I'm not signing that. That's brilliant thing to say when you're. In the quotas. Not More I ain't gonNA say that So. he told him he's not going to sign it, so they left the room and said okay, we'll. We'll get back to you. You left for an hour and a half if they left for five minutes. I wouldn't be worried if they're gone and hour and a half. What are you doing? What do you think's going on for? So, sitting there. Waiting for these guys to come back, but as the elevator opens, they see a number of US marshals, carrying shackles and handcuffs and Lanny Davis. One of his lawyers says to him. Hope that's not for us. You know they soon. It's going somewhere in the quest. It comes right over just like Jerry or bag turn around. Michael coincides pleading for his life assigned anything outside. Anything I'll do whatever you want to sign it. I'll sign it now. The problem is these are not the bureau prison officials. These are just US marshals. They can't make any decision like that, and so the guy says it's out of our hands. We were just told to to to take you. Arrest you and take you back to prison. Well sorted. Also I would sat up. We don't have it whatever they just both say they. Come back to prison where he is right now. Let's say you will not see this guy again for another year and a half now this kills Rosie O'Donnell, who was the one pushing them to write a book about the bad things about Donald trump now? He was not Donald Trump's. He was a lawyer who had a part time job at the trump office. He'd come in two days a week, and he was basically just there to. You know if you need a guy to write a letter as a lawyer, but anytime Donald Trump had a case a lawsuit a legal anything. It was never him. It was real lawyers was marquette's those kind of guys, top lawyers so but Rosie O'Donnell had this scheme. That Cohen would write a book. About, what would happen if you did this a book attacking Donald? Trump calling him a liar thief. A crook idiot doesn't really doesn't list all this. Kinds Agean of such such a book where to come. So Hey that Mary. Trump look. There's nothing in the news it today. Yeah one day. Well the first few revelations she put out with easy to document that they were total lies but you say why why it's a new thing. I didn't realize that this is an actual Somebody formed this. It's the trump derangement syndrome book of the month club so every month. They're gonNA have one of these books. Come out and we'll. We'll see what happens so the president You know he was laughing when he saw that Michael. Cohen Story. Go back to prison, so I like science this I've answered. I mean he comes from a family of great. Public Servants Distinguish family. He's a distinguished. He looks ridiculous in. He looks idiotic. it looks petty. It looks stupid. Nobody has any idea of any crime that Donald Trump is committed. There's fishing I mean that is wrong, isn't it? I mean. I want subpoenas. Tax Returns will look for a crime. What is the crime? They're looking for just imagining some crime in there. Yeah, well, they have a legitimate reason. They think in terms of the hush money, and then I what they get the taxes. They'll find something else in there. WHAT HUSH MONEY! Everybody knows about it, this is. Your. Thing is they're. Also I guess they're assuming he took a deduction for a guarantee. We didn't take a deduction for for guided had probably made to three hundred million. That year wasn't worried about this little hundred, thousand nine hundred fifty thousand dollars deduction he guaranteed and take the deduction, and let's say he did which he didn't, but let's say he took the deduction. What's the worst that happens in? If he's already been audited the worst that happens in an audit like that is, they'll say we're denying this deduction. You gotta pay the. Pay Pack that's all that happens. Find Absolutely, AH! But kind of silent, and you've got a crime wave in New York. You got shooting out of control. You got public. Corruption got so much going on. Stop worrying about this I understand the Supreme Court decision that a can have total immunity. But. It shouldn't be that. Any local DA anywhere in the country can drag president in court. That's just silly and that just GONNA lead to frivolous party partisan nonsense in the future. It's the now by the way the Supreme Court ruling is not to the turnovers tax returns. He does have to hand his tax returns overdue inside. It sounded like that, but if you read the ruling, the ruling is basically. That, it is possible, he could. He doesn't have to do it now, but the ruling is that the lower courts. Examine this thoroughly enough did not settle this issue. And it has to go back to the lower courts where it will be fought out there so. All the ruling said it's possible he could have to turn them over. No one knows in this case because it wasn't fully settled in the lower courts, so go back into the lower courts figure. That's another year of this. You will not be getting any tax returns, or in the by the way guys like that. Those kind of billionaires with those kind of tax returns never ever do anything wrong in those tax returns because they know they're targets. They know they're going to get audited. They have big huge accounting firms. You seriously the bill they get for doing the tax one. That's why to make sure it's perfect that there's no problem there. They know it's going to get looked at so there's never a problem knows in those tax forms Hey, check out the webpage. We've got a lot of good stuff up there. Every day we put up all sorts of videos and things that a pretty interesting. Now. Check this incident and see if you think these cops are races, also. Oh, we got some video. You WanNa. See the idiot. Michael Cohen going back to court going to prison. It's some video of it yesterday. Look at this fool going into the court yesterday he also remember when Rachel Maddow got a hold. The Donald Trump's return it was the year. Year before of maybe it's two thousand fourteen tax return, but it's going to be the same exact thing as watch. What happened when she revealed his tax return? What shown it was a total disaster for her. This is all up in the web page. Go to seven ten W. O. R. DOT COM SLASH MARK seven ten. W. O. R. Dot, com slash mark. Seven Ten W. O. R! It's the mark Simone Show. Well Hey if you'RE A. Long Island New Jersey. You can go into malls now. Shopping most Joe Bartlett whims less than you went into a mall. Have you actually been one down there? No not at all you know I've been to? Plenty of stores, but not a mall. No. I I see us the Home Depot type that's about it maybe bed, bath and beyond. EXACTLY BEST! Got Him. So. Long Island. here's the thing inside the air. Condition can spread virus if it's there unless you put in a half of filter, it has to have a merv rating of like three or something like that, so some of these malls got this filter installed supposedly filters virus out so the conditioners not blowing around Roosevelt Field Walt Whitman Mall Smith Haven new. York, new, Jersey, the garden state couple others I hadn't heard about Westchester, but you can actually go in. These malls that Walt Whitman. No, that's kind of. Of most of it is outside, you can really stay outside the Americana. The most you ever seen the Americano was beautiful mall in the world. That's all outside which is great by the way the guy that built it frank. Costanza, really great man. He passed away two days ago, he this guy was in his nineties, but he he's one of those. You know really great business owner, even as ninety nineteen walking around the mall, everyday checking everything every plant, every waste best, every real quality, just a great visionary guy, so. Now. You're going to say well I didn't care about to the Mall I. Didn't you had stopped going the mall years? It's actually I. Notice a lot of people going. They're doing more business than ever. Because it's the only place you can go and socialize and hang out and talk to people and see a crowd and everything you know you can go to a restaurant, but you really can't do anything except sit at your table. Table and that's it. Hey, by the way speaking of Long Island. Thank you We saw some ratings. We're number one in Long Island again was like an eight point four from ten to noon wiping out every single station on the dial. What is number mark? Yeah, that's a huge number, but we love Long Island In fact, let's go to Long Island right now. Let's go to Robyn Huntington Station Rob. How're you doing? Good Mark. How We? Very good. Good right near Walt Whitman, it's open. You can go they're. GonNa run over there and go walk around and make sure that they got enough. you know people social distancing, but the comments for for jo Jo I gotTa. Tell you then I liked the Sunday your voice, Great and Jerry and You have a future in radio. I've been my friend. Great thank you. There you go You have a great future as a caller anyway. Thanks for Calling Rob. Let's go. To let's go to Toronto Canada and say L. How you doing. Mark. YOUNG TIME THOUGH SEEK Notice. Running for governor in against coma. Gets in wondering. What do you support him? Of course. I always loved the support. Total strangers never heard of. It's a good thing to do. Who is this guy? Joe Bartlett. You know this guy never heard of him could. CUOMO's not even running him. He just got reelected. Two and a half years away, yeah. Anyway thanks for calling us. Whenever you get an election blasios up whenever the governor's up. Always get that twenty-seven business. Guys who will want to run you know there's always those guy from upstate New York that always runs. Remember the guy who got him Buffalo Yeah Carmody. And they get a ton of publicity for a few months and look at this now can't remember the guy's. You know the guy. GotTa talk like this and. A Lotta money there. And then who's the guy before that founder of the paycheck or whatever Gulf Gulf was a ghost Sano now? That's a Guy Gagliano yeah right. That's I'm thinking. Well there's another there's three or four of these guys, not always ruining anyway Let's say the call. Let's go to Allen Town New Jersey Alan. How're you doing? Mark and job my model shows your ratings are even doing better I a couple of miles, but anyway about dorm report, and they're trying to wait until the election now and I think they should do before the American. People have the right to know if president trump did something wrong or is Joe Biden wrong and before you before you fall like. If you had a domestic violence case, you're not gonNA. Wait to. The guy gets the husband of the year award, and then go arrest them, so I think we have the right and good. Good point thanks for calling. We got a big problem with this. Durham report, there were a couple of special counsels looking at the Komi Corruption Komi struck each McCabe. Clapper, Brennan, these dirty cops, and both found a lot of stuff, but no indictment and everybody was waiting for Durham. This is the tough prosecutor who's been looking at this for while we were expecting the report now or in the fall now where it is, it won't be out till after the election. This is disgusting this. This Durham has been working on this for a year. What the hell takes so long what Joe Bartlett. You've been covering this for years. What takes a year and a half gallon maxwell an hour. She's in jail. What takes so long I? If something's up with this one if if they're delaying until and after the election, I don't know that that doesn't sound right. Yeah, I mean listen. This is dirty. Swamp Stuff Hillary Clinton yeah. I mean look at her. She gets subpoena for the emails. And after getting the subpoena deletes thirty three thousand that anybody else. They'd be in jail in a second this. They're afraid to go. After the swamp creatures Anyway when we come back, we'll talk to Lionel. He'll have plenty to say he'll explain all of this stuff to us. It's seven ten W.. O. R.! Let's get the latest news. Here's Joe Bar Mark Simone Show. Seven Ten W. O. R.. Well Lionel, of course, one of the great radio TV host for many many years and A Big Star on Youtube Lionel nation at Youtube. Millions of people watch it. You should to follow Lionel on twitter and again Lionel nation that Youtube Lionel how you doing. Mark Great. have. You ever thought that you're in the middle of a of a weird movie like some kind of Ingmar Bergman movie something where you're thinking. Were you wake you wake up every day. I don't even know what to even react to their four factors coming in his first beal and black lives matter like just call it that, because I don't even think that even is resonates anymore or resonates as President Bush would say see anybody remember Mr Floyd? Did anybody remember what? Gone. For lost in the shuffle, sad to say and by the way mark. This is the only time where nobody. Nobody. Ever, Anyway disagreed with the fact that what happened is man was was either murder or homicide or something. You know the Eric. Garner case you could argue was chokehold. Wow, did he resist well? There was at least something we could give up well. There was no well here. There was no bad but nothing so this absolutely positively long event. Signalled was almost. You know if I didn't know a better mark I was almost as everybody whether Soros newsgroup Hod this scripted response ready to go for the next interaction, but in the meantime in the meantime the sad part is for those African American. The people of Color who expect something to be done the only thing that you will have to show for. It is a yellowed black lives. Matter I I guess message on Fifth Avenue, and that's it. It's actually sad. It's patronizing. See you've got something. I think about health care about jobs nothing now the next vector. That's coming out of his cove it. The only disease mark the only. Disease the only threat existential threat to humanity. that. You have to get tested to see whether you have it. and. and. That's all you do it. You just have it. It's not like what you have it now, but later on, you know God forbid it's not like AIDS, or you know. I'm sorry, but cancer. It's not like pregnancy were this is the initial part, but we know if is the only one that's pretty much immediate, but this is the only disease well when you test for it and you show up positive. Did you see both scenario. The president of Brazil did. He looked healthiest happiest guy well today. I'm taking my. Cloak where? Does. He looked like a man ravaged. By. Whatever this thing is cove it. has become synonymous with the the undefinable horror that we can't even explain and then next week mark is. Now you know I love this president and I never knew he would be this great, but he has got to get down to business where the hundred seventeen days until the election, and he has to tell people what he's going to do a mark. We know what he did. That's unimportant and we know that Joe. Biden is Vegeta-. He's walking around yelling. Who ordered the veal cutlets? He doesn't even know. Where by the way did you see when when when he was in I guess Delaware when he got Outta the truck or the van, and whatever was he gets his. Whole House and the first thing he does. Go back and watch it. He sees a little kid and he goes. Hey, how old is she right off the bat you? Not with the kids. Smell your hair, no! No the other one is. And I don't even know what this is. It seems as though. And we we could go back. We're not. We're not exactly coots and. You know cottagers, but we remember when you know the sixties and you know there were some pretty wild hippy dippy Khanna transcendental stop await the Timothy Leary, peace and love and we thought that was insane. What have you found yourself? Going to somebody you don't say what what do these people want when I mean these people. I mean everybody what. Where do I'm not sure where you're living now. Because you do tend to be drafted, or but I have never seen fireworks every single night. We the fund the believes we do have the police. Where are we going with this? What is the endgame? What's going to be? Let's assume God forbid work with me. That Joe Biden is elected just all. And I know I know I know, but you just assume arguing dough. For the sake of argument assume that he wins. Why do you think that this all just ends? You think that they say okay. No more no more riots, no more bill them back to work back to school. No more pulling down statues, or does it continue because if it's either or I'll take that with trump? Offering something. To vote for him, so do you think it all ends? No, no, no! I think this is democratic dream. They got you locked down. They'll tell you when you can go out where you can go. They'll send you a check. Everything's ended up in your neighborhood. It's Weird Galea Alien Dialectic. There's some weird sense. Let's just do a Beta test. Let's just for the sake for for for grins and you know what let's just see. If how far we can push people around the world just as a kind of a psycho social experiment I mean what's the end the game I know there's vaccines and different things. But, but but I don't know where we're going with us. You want to destroy I. Understand it the economy. Okay, everything you can imagine brooks brothers here one I heard you today lamenting. You're a big pair one fan. That that that the topic but I and I asked this not rhetorically not hypothetically I really don't know what is it who is this? Is this Soros keep blaming Soro's like he's the boogeyman but. Yes probably ten new Soros's US circling around there, too. So if they get the result that they want. What is it? I, don't I can't. I wish I could be a better guest there or whatever the hell? I'm doing here, but I don't understand any of this. I don't understand Kobe I. DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. Why are you closing down schools? How do you benefit what is? Where do you want to go with this? I this is this is so surreal. I keep thinking about you know parents and friends and relatives and. Thank God you're not alive right now. Thank God. Nobody can see this because really. Do you see any good into this mark I? Ask You. I know you're a very very passive person. Do you see anything good happening. Do you just? Go look at the nineteen, eighteen, nineteen pandemic it just one day just went away. Talking about Kobe I'm talking about complete destructive. Good. And I know you see things in a beautiful way and I think it's wonderful because I turn to you mark to see done light at the end of the tunnel, which is not necessarily a gorilla with the flashlight or the oncoming train. I look to what do you see us ever coming out of the desert quote? What was that all about? Hey, we're back in school. Anybody's happy. We're gonNA frame our masks. Better regular dining. Do you miss? Yes, I don't. Well look at a pandemic nine thousand nine hundred hundred times worse when that ended a year later. But a year later, everybody's in species. Great Gatsby has thrown his party's everything. They didn't have okay. Of Nineteen Eighteen WSB depend. Yeah well. Look at the summer sixty eight riots everywhere, college campuses burning down. After a while you know so funny I want people to know there's not to say too much. You know you are the most you. I so positive. Now in real life you are dour glum. Like your goldfish. You never. You go from one party, okay? But yeah, we're. Happy and I'm thinking to myself. Maybe it's narcotics, maybe perhaps some type of some drugs kicking in and I hope by. Talking Talking about being negative. Everything's a conspiracy with you. Know no I'm not a conspiracy theorist. You don't think there's conspiracy here you. Randomly, Know I agree on that, but. But at some point, people realize this beal is just a money making cash machine, not getting anything done the Blasios, useless and the whole public is turns away from it, not interested anymore. City of New York, who is going to be the successor you see in new. York there are people who love. have. You met the. Have you met Friends of yours. Who Go I saw a woman? I swear to God I point and I laugh driving in a car, wearing gloves and a mask into her car alone. People that I know who have just succumb to this look I. don't want to go so far. I believe any of the Kobe thing I think this is called the flu, and that's it, but that's me. What do I know? But there are people who are terrified of and I know it's time to go market I appreciate this mentally and I appreciate you positively different. If you WANNA, hear more, you just go to Youtube Watch. Lionel nation at Youtube Great Programs Every Day why? Glider nation at Youtube and follow me on twitter Lionel. Thanks for being with us. Pat. On the back! Take care. Hey. What's WANNA see Michael Kohn go back to prison. Watch this video of this idiot yesterday. He also last time. Somebody got a hold of trump tax returns. Watch this. 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Talkshow Interaktif - Bersama Membangun Peradaban, Bersama Menebar Hidayah (Ustadz Muadz Hendrisman, S.Ud.)

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Talkshow Interaktif - Bersama Membangun Peradaban, Bersama Menebar Hidayah (Ustadz Muadz Hendrisman, S.Ud.)

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What Is Original?

TED Radio Hour

53:17 min | 1 year ago

What Is Original?

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Y. patients from all fifty states and one hundred twenty nine countries have traveled to Cleveland Clinic visit Cleveland Clinic Dot Org slash care support for this NPR podcast and the following message come from Cleveland Clinic ranked number one in Heart Care Twenty five years in a row by US News and World Report is the Ted Radio Hour each week groundbreaking Ted talks technology own music is that it's full of these little miracle moments and those moments those samples would become the building blocks of hip hop especially because why why has this one song inspired so many others and what's the line between being inspired by simply copying on today's episode we explore that line in music fashion and innovation it's called what is original and it originally aired June twenty fourteen this Kehinde the song we heard about it from this guy my name is Mark Ronson he's a DJ record producer in kind of a big deal I guess thing that most from NPR I'm Guy Ross and on the show today what's original how every idea who is production on Amy Whitehouse's album back to black or more recently this track with Bruno Mars every invention every song is built on something that came before it okay potty people in House your weakness something you've done All Time Pot the track is by the rappers Dougie fresh and Slick Rick released it in one thousand nine hundred four and the story chiefs records for Lily Allen McCartney's last album I sound like I'm name dropping I'm I'm just trying to grab onto the things that people might have heard the it's literally like chapter one of the hip hop deejay booth and it's an incredible sum because it's just to beat box and Arapaho John Fingernails Tutu but what makes Lottie Dottie more than just a really good wraps on and why so many artists have borrowed from it in there. EJ in New York like mark was it was a staple of your set rely supported we don't cause trouble we don't bother nobody wear just something that's bricks voice is so iconic and has these little kind of sing song he turns of phrase Oh these little talks appeared on some like this those sound bites that have become the the true nature of reality beckons from just beyond those talks those ideas adapted for Radio Edgar even by the Indie rock band spoon it's like a grunt yeah but that's true that's eastern play Oh five minutes of a dance for and have the entire Don's forcing everyone to that on the Ted Stage over the next ten years Lottie Dod he continues to be sampled by countless records ending up on massive hit snoop doggy Dogg covers the song awakeness speed and this will make you wonder about this whole idea of originality because this song is one of the most sampled songs of thirty years ago you had the first digital samplers and they changed everything overnight all of a sudden artists could sample from anything and everything that came before them from a snare drum from the taint design design is that really what I've never known delivered a Ted conferences around the world if the human imagination we've had to believe in impossible and James Brown or you know a saxophone blood from junior walker it will sound good over everything and it will always make your track sound more legit and more real in hip reinterprets Lottie dod you completely for her generation and we'll take a listen to a snake Rick Pot and see how she sort of flipped it thought it hoodies aw and the other thing about sampling it's like reinventing something to such an extent that it becomes something new it is the hit it and it's not just this one line that's been sampled over and over again since nineteen eighty-four as mark explained Audie we we don't call trouble we don't bother nobody on his debut album doggystyle and low dodie copyright lawyers are having a field I WANNA be so the idea here is that a lot of hundreds of songs from I Nika Mosey in one thousand ninety five days the headed back to the Beastie boys and nine hundred eighty six on themselves in possession of the technology to do so now much unlike the way the Delta Blues struck a chord with the stones and the Beatles and Clapton and they felt the need to call up hit hypnotize so if we come all the way up to the present day now a cultural totem I is miley cyrus she anyway back to that lauded Audie it's called Lottie Dottie and back in the early nineteen nineties if fewer and the notorious B I g or Biggie reinterprets Lodhi on his number one on committees for a wrong Cardi baseline the theme to the price is right albums like de la soul's three feet high and rising and the beastie boys Paul's Boutique looted from the recorded music to create these sonic lead masterpieces that were basically the sergeant pepper's of their day but the thing is they were selling those records this point Mickey can't you see somehow just Matassa and then you fast forward to nineteen ninety-seven they constantly use the argument to devalue rat and modern pop and these arguments completely missed the point because the damn it just true for music it's the same for film or novels or technology pretty much every idea out there like we celebrate things that seem original but subconsciously you're influence whether you like the we like to party we don't cause trouble we don't bother nobody we like to party ah we'll hear more of this song threat the show by the way it's from a group called axis of awesome songs called four chords I we live in the post sampling error we take the things that we love and we build on them and when we really add something significant and original and raucous who are racist but only about rock music constantly use the argument to D that's a real hard about the validity of music that contained samples you know the Grammy Committee says if your song contain some kind of free written a pre existing music you're ineligible for Song of the year Eh okay so in music there's a fine line between sampling borrowing paying homage right yeah I did the backing vocals I could tell them I didn't want to tell you before this species very humble of you and there are so many because they hired something in that music that spoke to them that they instantly wanted to inject themselves into the narrative of that music they heard it they wanted to be a part of an older son music for the tools of that day you know a news we take something that we love and we build on it that's just how it goes they are good artists borrow or copy great artists steal something like that we owed whether we still are we it's impossible even if you're telling yourself you're not suing the biggest fan of the U. and still come from other shops and of course this is more okay potty people in House people house sampled by the onset and Kanye West on this track into all this music and you always listen to music how do you sort of separate yourself from what's in your head or put your own spin on a sound that's just been swirling around inside of you me White House and her lyrics about we have the whole thing would have ran the risk of being very pastiche on this the I mean there's no doubt that amy an iron slum or had this love this Gospel Soul and Blues and Jazz it was evident merge on musical journey with this then we have a chance to be a part of the evolution of that music that we love and be linked with it once it becomes something new again just plain ripping off here's more of Mark Ronson from the Ted Stage since the dawn of the sampling era there's been endless debate in house on her album back to black a lot of fuss was made about the what is original quote which is the Elliott is an which apparently he even stole from Picasso about Genius Steals Re have oh which was something that I I was working with the late amazing amy make of the album that myself and Salaam Remi other producer achieved how we captured this longer sound bit without the very very twenty first century personality and five ran that was linebackers credit needs to go to the people that created the stuff in the first place but it does make for some incredible exciting art and You know ready to have to just stop doing that because you never know you know you've been playing this other music for an hour and a half the night before you get in the studio you don't want that stuff to sort of filter into you I see young produces today like kids who are nineteen twenty day stay up all night just sampling straight from Youtube which is dangerous in kind of you know this well you know I d jail as well still dj like clubs and festivals in the summer and when it's time for me to make my own record podcast possible I two rocket mortgage by quicken loans imagine how it feels to have an award winning team mortgage birds make the home buying process smoother it does mean that some little kid sitting in his basement in Ohio with a laptop can be making some of the most interesting music around for you with a history of industry leading online lending technology rocket mortgage is changing the game visit rocketmortgage dot com slash ideas I mean prince I used to read into using he said what he said he never listened to anyone else's music but his own I mean I guess if the songs I wrote was good as Prince's maybe that would apply to me is it happened before no it hasn't but but it's like it's something that I'm aware of because you know at the end of the day like I think you'd be ESCA equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states and MLS consumeraccess dot org number thirty thirty rocket mortgage by quicken loans push button so I you know when it's time to work on the record I kind of put the blinders on a bit more make sure that you know not too much this thing to something especially if it's something everyone is making a big fuss Dan producer Mark Ronson we m what he's borrowed for his own music you mentioned the song called Bang Bang Bang that uses this nineteenth century nursery listening to the musical arrangements who was she brought the ingredients that made it urgent and of the tire in our grandsons Ted talk on sampling is at Ted Dot com stay with us for more ideas about what's original time and get mortgage thanks also to target red card save five percent and get more every day more young for your weekly grocery list it was something like that and she was like Oh what if I can make other western French-canadian nursery rhymes anything's game talk to both of those astronauts in space we have you loud and clear NPR listen for that and subscribe to short way from NPR Matt Safai here host of a new daily science podcast from NPR cold shortwave this week the first all female spacewalk we what's original is there anything that can like we could really say is totally original the Big Bang as far as we know the big everything is a remix because Kirby explains in those films every painting every song every idea comes from somewhere else and the basic the people like for example Bob Dylan here's Kirby from Ted Stage all right let's head back to nine hundred sixty four and let's hear runs the bill comes the bombs in a found Guy Roz and this is ted radio hour from NPR saints and drag me away really hard pressed to this something today not be able to at least fine four bars of it it's completely to something else I and that's why when for fun with the perfect stocking stuffers more wow for decorating the tree from kids wishlists to the hottest tech gifts red card gets you more learn more store or online restrictions apply see target dot com slash red card for details the same basic melody overall structure this next one is the Patriot game by dominic alongside that you're going to hear with God on our side by Dylan Bang is original and everything else after derivative yes Kirby Ferguson he's a filmmaker amy the series of films about that's the last thing that you wanna do have that filter Gio and by the time you put out this record you've worked for a year and a half someone says like Oh yeah it sounds like Kfi and you just want to jump out a window ella witter very interesting yes that was a sunlit I'd given it to this singing music that was the idea back then so he wasn't unusual in what he was doing he was doing what they do in folk music and happens all the time in all kinds of music so take led Zeppelin for example who used to listen to another band called spirit and spirit were element of creativity comes from remixing all of our works emerge out of our influences out of building upon the works with the works of he would be yeah I mean it was a different era he was a folk musician and the idea back then was not that you came up with original songs the idea what that I work with they just get on the mic and they kind of freestyle and the first thing that comes out so I think what she sang the first time sounded a lot like Abu data the Bob Dylan he stole all this stuff like this happened today with twitter like within seconds after the release of his record be hammered haven't really stood the test of time but they were a reasonably well known band in the sixties and Zeppelin toured with them which could be why this as you took the songs that came before you and you did new things with them you know you would write new lyrics to an existing melody or vice versa you contributed to this body of long his not stairway to heaven it's called Taurus and it came out two years earlier they basically ripped off Torres yeah they sound a little leg and when you sit down to like to write or produce something and you've been and it does sound like the opening of stairway to having this fairly difficult to distinguish from that segment of Torres again you can merge things together and you can you can do that so much that it can be difficult to tell where something came from you know you can be layering oh so I'm your masters in law in the big again layer and layering until the end result is really unrecognizable but I think human beings aren't really capable of coming up with something from nowhere like Mark Young Laura does and lists TWAT allies for love Tom Own hey everyone just a quick thanks to two of our sponsors who helped make the of star wars as derivative even though it clearly draws upon curse I was work so where's the line between copying and building on something that Dylan's early songs came from do some side by side comparisons here right this first you're gonna here in town and your traditional tune after that you'll hear it Dylan's masters of war he's still in Houston as early songs were borrowed too bad so I'm hearing all these Bob Dylan things right and like it's hard for me to say because we're talking that resembles a scene from I believe Jimbo but here's the thing nobody it's the Ted Radio hour from NPR guy rise and today on the show like you either you just watch yourself we wanted been there's a bragging bad guy who ends up getting arm chopped off I think we just do not do that we build out of materials we use tools to make things that's what we do I I don't think we summon things out of the blue Kirby there has to be original idea out there in the world I don't really think so wants that groundsman prepared so it's two thousand seven wide-screen ipod touch controls a revolutionary mobile phone Nathan when we think of something is totally new totally different like Star Wars George Lucas was a famous fan now American copyright and patent laws run counter to this notion that we build on the work of others instead these laws and laws around the world use the it came before I mean to me it's about how much you how much mimic were you do how much of the other artists you are taking so if you take a large chunk of it to me that is where you're being derivative you're being unoriginal you know I think you need to be transforming the things that you copy you need to be three separate devices this is one device it's a complete breakthrough and we've invented a new technology called contextualising them it's about where are you taking your copying to and you need to be you know transforming and combining those elements in exciting ways and a breakthrough Internet communications advice Steve Jobs on stage at macworld and he introduces the iphone these are not not touch you can do multi finger gestures on it and boy have we patented it okay so that was in two thousand seven Of Akira Kurosawa he was a Japanese director who made all those Samurai films in the fifties and sixties just the styling of the Jedi Knights is Very Samurai and the look of adding remixed remember that Picasso that Mark Ronson mentioned a bit earlier well listen to Steve Jobs in one thousand nine hundred contradicting its intent to promote the progress of useful arts this idea that everything is a remix might sound like common sense until you're the one darth vader like the look of his helmet looks a lot like the armor of Samurai warriors and you know the the famous cantina scene in the first star Wars I okay so in other words great artists steal but not for me yeah I mean you think about Steve Jobs it's a very individualistic fantasy it makes good stories talking about individuals talking about Steve Jobs or Picasso but he your earlier in two thousand six an interface designer named Jeff Han gave a tedtalk describing the very same technology and Kirby phones and GPS and the Internet. I mean like without any of those things that wouldn't exist yeah absolutely so why wouldn't he acknowledged that I think much harder story to tell so how do we start to think about all this in a completely different way I think it is important to anything isn't completely new people have been playing around with in the eighties the technology you know isn't isn't the most exciting thing here right now other than probably its newfound accessibility is called everything is a remix check out his whole talk at Ted dot NPR dot org that's right the idea that he had one point in his career admits to serve stealing great ideas and then later on his cursing I will crush steel steel my ideas Choson actually showed that footage of Jeff Han in his Ted talk let's hear what Jeff Han has to say about this newfangled technology multi transient we navigate this world so we respond to stories that way whereas telling stories about society about this credibly complex mass of human activity that is six I mean Picasso had a saying good artists copy great artists steal and we have always been shameless events was quoted saying this I'm going to destroy android because it's a stolen product I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this feeling great ideas so fast for fourteen years later two thousand ten when Google's android phones started to challenge Apple's iphone Steve Jobs Global Rubel La Thing Oh my name and other people to know that hey like that's my bit you know that little piece of that thing that's mine I I did that and I think just being more reflective so the places where you find some of the most innovative work is a place where copying is the rule not the exception you say what you took and from where I think transparency about what you're doing is is a big deal nowadays I think most people just want he my kid means less their country the yours because we definitely fool ourselves about where our ideas come from Kirby Ferguson he's a filmmaker his movie on originality is crazy I mean the the iphone which is amazingly beautiful piece of technology is all the result of the work of other people right touchscreen technology himself you know when you're on the receiving end of getting copied just think for a moment about where that came from Israel eighty so he's pretty frank about it not being new so it's not multi touch as a whole that's patented it's the small parts of it that are and it's in these small details where we can clearly see pat and at an and that just that moment it's been sampled or whoever it's good stories and I think that's what we are geared towards we're geared towards stories that are about individuals because that's awkward analogy of property now creative works indeed be kind of like property but it's property that we're all building on and creations can only take root and grow hey it's guy here so one of the most sampled songs of all time is called Lottie Dottie by slick and Dougie fresh but the question is occur his midwest now there's a lot of these it's been estimated that two thirds of the Lebron's mine told got tons team got well it turns out you can this is Johanna blakely she does research on copyright and fashion she thinks the industry actually thrives that place is the fashion industry a lot of fashion designers think while I can knock of somebody else's work but I can't make an exact copy right work of art but once he turns it into a three dimensional design anybody can rip it off ever naked human bodies and therefore they are not to be treated as artwork however just to show you how complicated this is incorporate it into their own design so one of the magical side effects of having a culture of copying which is really what it is is the establishment of trends and to be current and to be now you might also be asking whether it's possible that this is illegal of Karl Lagerfeld draws address he automatically owns the copyright to that dry because two dimensional added long ago that fashion designs are utilitarian designs right they are three dimensional objects created in order to it now academics in this audience may think that sounds like plagiarism that anybody could copy any garment on any person in this room and sell it as their own design the only thing that you can't copy is the label you can't some people believe that there are a few people at the top of the fashion food chain who sort of dictate to us what we're all going to wear but if you talk to any designer at right right but but I mean it's almost like there there really isn't anything that's original well I think what's fascinating and what you see in the fashion industry all the time for her to do this well it turns out that it's actually not illegal in the fashion industry there's very little intellectual property protection and so it means is that the geniuses really incubating things from the past and reviving them in the present so plus there's no copyright protection in this industry fashion designers can sample from all their peers designs they can take any element from any garment he loved including these high end designers they always say their main inspiration comes from the street where people like you and me remix and match our own fashion looks so it's both a top down and bottom up kind of industry seven asking this question to everyone on the show which is humans really value things that are new the fashion Easter what it really is a sign of Prada's genius that she can root through the history of fashion and pick the one jacket that doesn't need to be changed by one iota selecting from that massive archive of history a certain button certain sleeve certain him link a certain color pattern of design hint like your Donna Karan when you're not that's illegal but why is it I mean why are there so few protections for fashion why do people accept that well the courts decide she's in Talian fashion designer she goes to this vintage store in Paris with a friend of hers she's rooting around she finds this one jacket by balanced yoga should love this putting them all together in the present moment is its own kind of original genius right you're the first one to curate the past in this way oh she's turning it inside out she's looking at the seams she's looking at the construction her friend says buy it already I'll buy it but I'm also going to replicate okay but what does that kind of thing like done well and when is it just like Kinda cheap well you do see some very bizarre analogies what is technologies influence on the concept of celebrity how're prosthetics changing people's lives where can architecture take us in the smarts support for NPR and the following message come from Delta being other kinds of aesthetics but as humans we also want to be part of that in group but we also want to be differentiated we want all it'll actually crack in two it forced him to be a little more innovative and that actually reminded me of Jazz Great Charlie Parker I don't know if you've heard this anecdote but I have he said the one of the reasons he invented bebop was that he was pretty sure but white musicians wouldn't be able to replicate the sound Goff's that sort of introduce new styles like for a while the Kelly bag was popularized on canal street in a plastic versions didn't even pretend to make it leather it wasn't even vinyl it was see through plastic and they're called Jelly bags and started a whole craze where the rich girls even wanted old and respected brand now of course there's a bunch of effects that this culture of copying has on the creative process and Stuart Weitzman is a very successful jelly bag so you can see how the cycle of cultural reference can reinvigorate actually an interest in in an well I think there's an instinct especially within fashion people want to appear as if they understand what the trends are but needed reaction to the idea of copying but I wonder why why are we so wary of especially when it comes to fashion like when everyone seems to be doing it I wanna be able to differentiate themselves they wanna feel like they are their own original and so there is this anxiety around copying other people's looks and copy world's growing energy demands at Chevron Dot Com do you know how early you need to be registered it from NPR Shali Dream Dump from London Renoir sites and the lessons they learn while transforming entire industries search trailblazers on your favorite podcast APP or stream it on Dell technology operations more data and more precision to help find more homegrown energy more precisely learn more about how chevrons innovating to meet the that we want everything Johanna blakely she runs the Norman Lear Center at US's Annenberg School for communication check out her he's dot com slash trailblazers support also comes from Chevron Chevron is innovating to meet the growing energy demands of today and tomorrow and musk and unbeknownst to all of them he was about to hint at something really big it is it is surprising that there hasn't been entire talk at Ted Dot com more on what's original in a moment stay with this Guy Roz and this is Ted Radio Hour Oh chevrons digitizing the way they work with advanced analytics to help develop more productive wells and they're exploring ways to use renewable energy in there city age find these answers and more on the fourth season of trailblazers with Walter Isaacson you'll hear from extraordinary guests who share their stories episodes every Tuesday and Thursday listening subscribe to life kit all the new things that we'd be hard to copy he came up with this Boden Wedge Heel that has to be made out of steel or titanium if you make it from some sort of cheaper material Tesla's patents and controversial with respect to Tesla's patents because when you're developing a new technology that's the designer he has complained a lot about people copying him but in one interview I read he said you know it's really forced him to up his game he had to come up with new ideas it turns out that some of the greatest inventions in history happened because people share their ideas and they let others build on them people like Ben Franklin the away you're on the right track he was up to something and a couple of days after that you one thing you care about most that the idea is yours and yours alone for free but a couple of days later you'll end musk was interviewed and more activity from other companies to to make serious electric vehicles in other words he was asking the question why aren't more bigger -nology anyone who thinks they can build on it or make it better they can we're trying to figure out how to accelerate Devon's electric cars and degree where good ideas come from ideas and innovation thrive in environments where ideas are free to flow from mind to mind and to be reused they wanted to make it too difficult to call you is built on something that came before it not too long ago a group of shareholders met at the Computer History Museum in it'll makers making new and better electric cars I I'm contemplating doing something fairly significant on that front which would be kind of controversial with respect we create technological barriers to that it's not going to happen now while giving away a patent might seem totally radical today vote how about the number to call if something's going wrong at your polling station or what about the best time of day to cast a ballot NPR's life kit wants to get you ready for Election Day in view California Good Morning Welcome to Tesla's twenty fourteen annual shareholder meeting and the people in that room we're waiting to hear from Tesla's CEO you know how did this person who had basically official training as a scientist how did he end up being the discoverer of so many things and I think the answer to that and even though he was British he happened to be really tight with the American founding fathers priests is one of these figures from this period who made a number of huge breakthrough I'm Ben Franklin like never patented anything he did and he always kind of released any information about what he'd come up with as widely as possible and he had a great explanation that you could go out into your garden and you could discover things for the first time so in a sense of the soil of scientific discovery was very shallow at that point were creating oxygen and did these kind of in his home lab and so we look back at those people in that period and we're like gosh they were so smart back then mm-hmm but even then people like Priestley in Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson they didn't just come up with ideas of their on they would build on each other's ideas uh you know there's this word these words that we use about copping like knockoff or or its derivative and we have this like instinctive knee taught about it somehow echoing somebody else's thought in one of those innovative people Stephen is written about is a man named Joseph Priestley lived during the eighteenth century developments in and just a whole host of science and social and technological innovations and out of those conversations just an amazing series heard of the company trying to spur innovation and development of electric vehicles across the entire industry from now on he said anyone who wants to take Tesla's of new ideas emerge these kinds of sessions were happening in Boston Philadelphia Paris Vienna and London in coffee the American heart disease they say that Salem was a gale houses Steven Johnson picks up the rest of the story from the Ted Stage the coffeehouse played such a big role in the birth of the enlightenment in part because of what people were drinking it's the Ted Radio hour from NPR. I'm Guy Rodgers and on the show today what's original how everything his book that the most innovative inventive people are building on top of other people's ideas and lots of subtle not-so-subtle ways so you can't think USC broke the News Elon Musk has never been one to follow the crowd now he's taking a unique approach to Tesla's patents he's giving them away for free that mystery is really that that was a moment in time where we had this incredible new tool of the scientific method for the last five years because I've been on this quest to investigate this question of where good ideas come from what is the space of creativity different fields of expertise and astonishing number of innovations from this period have a coffeehouse somewhere in their story I've been spending a lot of time thinking about coffeehouses England switched to tea and coffee but the other thing that makes a coffeehouse important is the architecture of the space it was a space where people would get together from different backgrounds can repurpose and remixed and interesting and surprising ways and a lot of the technology were depending on has come out of that kind of collaborative network and even argued and then you switched from a depressant to a stimulant in your life you would have better ideas it's not an accident that a great flowering of innovation happened and have to dig very far to get something really interesting but here's the thing we think of ideas during this time as being completely new and original yeah right because before what people drank day in and day out from dawn until dusk was alcohol alcohol was the daytime beverage of choice right because the water wasn't safe to drink rica moments we have the light bulb moments right all of these concepts share this basic assumption which is that an idea is a single thing researches he said he sent his ideas out another world so that they would attract the attentions of the ingenious this is Steven Johnson he wrote a book called Audio Creation Right we have this very rich vocabulary to describe moments of inspiration right we have the kind of the flash of insight the PIFF unease we have until the rise of the coffee house you had an entire population that was effectively drunk all day and you can imagine what that would be like if you were drinking all day and what I've been looking for is shared patterns kind of signature behavior that shows up again and again and all these environments and I think I've found a few but what when sputnik launched right it's October of nineteen fifty seven and sputnik has just launched and the the most important ideas normally have this slow hunch formation and sometimes that can take months or years in some cases for for decades have to do to make sense of this is you have to do away with a lot of Wayne which are kind of conventional metaphors and language steers us towards certain concepts of something happens often in a wonderful illuminating moment but more often on their cobbled together from whatever parts that happened to be around nearby we take ideas they would actually get together and they would have these like endless sessions where they would talk about electricity and chemistry and the American political situation and new ideas and kind of religious China light up there in outer space that's obviously broadcasting some kind of signal we could probably hear it and it turns out wife back it's kind of an expert in microwave reception other people from people that we've learned from from people we run into in the coffee shop and we stitch them together into new forms and create something new that's really where innovation happens the BBC now you said a few days ago the u intended to do something fairly controversial with patents what you meant by that I mean are you considering giving but the important part of it is that it's inevitably preceded by this long kind of incubation period this what I call the slow hunch could you go the other way could you figure out an unknown location on the ground if you knew the location of the satellite and they thought about it and they said then he's got a little antenna setup with an amplifier in his office and they start going to noodling around hacking as we might call it out Laura pulls him into the room and says hey you've figured out an unknown location of a satellite orbiting the planet from a known location on the ground and after a couple of hours they actually start picking up the signal because the Soviets made sputnik very easy to track it was right at twenty megahertz because they were afraid that didn't happen well on some level the tricky part about it is that there are moments where you become conscious of insight about the world the ethical scientific achievement by Hobie kind of course this is nerd heaven today a new Moon in the sky twenty three inch metal sphere and that's how GPS was born such incredible story yeah and that actually never happens right right

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OBI: Bengals/NFL Week 17 Water Cooler Chat

Cincy Jungle

36:43 min | 4 months ago

OBI: Bengals/NFL Week 17 Water Cooler Chat

"Everyone it's the monday water cooler chat on the black insider bengals podcast and since you jungle dot com. We're still doing it. Bengal season's over but we are still bringing you the content. We're still gonna get you updated on what's going on with the cincinnati bengals and the afc north and the rest of the nfl. Because this is a big big news day they call it. What is it black. Monday or something to that effect because unfortunately a lot of a lot of folks are losing their jobs around the league and There is some news on that front with the cincinnati. Bengals will talk about that. We have a ton a ton to get to today a ton to get to michelle lot of stuff with my screen so you can see if you're tuning in live whether it's on cincy jungles facebook page whether it's on the orange and black insider twitter account at bengals o. b. i. or if you're tuning in to Our our youtube channel. The orange black insider youtube channel. At least it's under my left arm. There's a little my left elbow. There's a little icon there. You can subscribe to our youtube channel. Get notified when we go live when new material is out. If you like the facebook page you'll get notified when we go live and when new material is out as well so please do that and if you are listening to the audio after the fact appreciate that get it wherever we're basically on all the major streaming platforms so i get it. Hike can leave us a review if you like what we're doing especially Trying to tell them we are how dumb. I am but If you like what we're doing leave us. A rating helps us out. And if you get some constructive criticism on where you'd like to see the show though both in twenty one in really kinda just in this offseason. We'd be open to hearing some of that feedback to but as i am just going to echo it again as i ended yesterday's post game. Show thank you all for your support. Not only in all of twenty twenty but before that if you're longtime listeners. Twenty twenty was a huge year for our program and a huge cincy jungled dot com in general. So that's thanks to you all well. Let's get. Let's get right to it yesterday as i did. The post game show. There was a shared story on pro football. Talk from mike florio. That talked about some rumors starting to surface based on the team. Losing the way it did at the hands of the baltimore ravens on their home field. Three eight two three. There was some some rumblings. There that zac taylor may not actually be safe after some reports earlier in the week. That said zack was going to be back. Some assistance were not then. There was a report by mike. Florio that said maybe zac. Taylor actually is in trouble based on what happened in week. Seventeen while we've got an official statement from mike brown in cincinnati bengals. Ladies and gentlemen so this is on bangles dot com. I'm going to share it with you. Here is the statement if you have not seen it yet. Interesting picture of zack. And mike brown right there quote right here are fans wanted a fresh new direction two years ago and that is what we aim to do in hiring a bright energetic head coach. Zac taylor we remain bullish on. The foundation zach is building and we look forward to next year giving our fans winning results. We all want in zacks two years. We've added many new starters contributions through the draft. We have invested heavily in free agency and we have acquired a talented young quarterback with a bright future. The quote continues this season. We faced challenges with injuries at key positions and missed opportunities. I am proud of our football team and I'm proud of our football team for fighting through adversity that adversity and hard work will help us. Next season will enter the offseason looking to shore up our weaknesses and amplify the strengths of our talented young core. We are not discouraged but instead feel motivated in confident that next year will reap the benefits of the work that has been done to date. We must capitalize on the opportunities in front of us. Next year we will earn our stripes So that is that. Is that and a couple of things i don't try to deep into nelson's on this i try and just kind of share news on this water cooler chat episode but apple things to note here as i scroll back up and we can see the quote in its entirety here again. This is on bengals dot com. Look first of all the word bullish. We remain bullish. Just that phrase. This is so. Mike brown It just seems like i mean does not really in the the lexicon of of many of our many of our day to day Grammar and conversations and whatnot but anyway Look we kind of knew that. If we're going to support zac taylor. They were going to talk about the challenges over the past couple of off seasons in this especially they were going to talk about the injuries. We're going to basically kinda you know. Embed the excuses a bit in terms of why they're bringing him back and they pointed to. You know it's interesting that he said are fans wanted a fresh new direction. So he's kinda saying we've listened to the fans here and of course they point to invested heavily in free agency. Whether that means they will continue to do so. I don't know but basically this was a statement that said you wanted to go a different direction from marvin lewis. We did that or keeping on with this direction in zac taylor and in doing so you know kind of added some feathers in their own cap so to speak that. That's what they think by investing heavily in free agency getting a talented young quarterback. So zac taylor thing. He is staying for twenty. One will see just how long that leash is. We will see what he does with other assistants going forward. I've got a clip. I'm gonna play for you in just a second here. Courtesy of all bengals our friend james routine relaying a press conference video. I'm just gonna play a brief snippet of that Zac playing it. Pretty close to the vest. I think we know now. There are at least position coaches. That will be relieved of their duties with the cincinnati. Bengals remains to be seen. What happens at the coordinator levels. Whether it's brian callaghan orlando room. Oh look is. I mean just for for purposes of our show here the bengals in two games against the baltimore ravens. This year were outscored. Sixty five to six. So i don't think either coordinator. I mean if you wanted to point to those two games and by the way You know those those three teams the browns the ravens the steelers in the division. Those three other teams made the playoffs. And it's the first time since divisional realignment courtesy of andrew. Cecilia no of nfl network. First time since realignment divisional realignment in two thousand to three. Afc north teams have made the postseason So look this is going to be a competitive division as it usually is. This is going to be a very competitive division going forward. You've got baker mayfield. You've got mark. Jackson you know i mean benz at the end of his career in pittsburgh here but i mean they had twelve wins this year. Eleven wind so they're not really going anywhere and we know pittsburgh's going to be pittsburgh so the bengals have a lot of work to do in zac. Taylor is a lot of work to do. We'll see what he does with the coordinators going forward. I'm going to share this now. This is zack. taylor talking courtesy of all dangles. The sports illustrated website A press conference earlier today. It's a fifteen minute video. You can go on their website to check it out but mike and play the whole thing. I'm just going to play a clip. I believe it's ben baby of espn dot com. Who asked the question about coordinator's going forward in what zacks going to do About assistant coaches so let's Let's listen in here on that. Hopefully you can see this. This is that taylor. Talking about assistant coaches staff changes made decision coordinators and bryan. Were gonna come back next year. We'll continue with that as the week goes you know. I don't have to call us today. Specific staff changes again. I got belief in the guys that we do have in this building and will continue to make those by which we goes zach. How long it. So that sounds as if some changes are going to be made Again playing it very close to the vast if you want to read the tea leaves air. It sounds like there's going to potentially be a change there. We don't know for sure but You know the bengals are notoriously slow moving on making some certain changes and you know whether it's coaching or what have you. They just days. They hang onto players. Hang onto coaches longer than a lot of other teams. They're kind of loyal to a fault in some ways. They are so interesting words. That didn't say much. But kinda said said a little bit Based based on what. Zac taylor said there. That was a video of the press conference. You can find that. Probably a lot of different places but that was on l. All bengals courtesy of sports illustrated james repeat in in his crew. Were they're doing some great work so wanted to relay that who knows it. Sounds like it's this could be an an evolution thing here. I wanna go back row quickly again to the comments that mike brown publicly made about zac. Taylor they're excited about the foundation. Zac taylor is building with the cincinnati bengals culture. He's building but i think there was also an end granted if they're gonna stick by their head coach you you're gonna know that the owners have some glowing praise and whatnot for the head coach. They're not gonna sit there and say you know he's on the hot seat going into twenty one you know we expect a lot more on blah blah blah blah blah. You know they're not gonna throw him throw him under the bus but You know it's just interesting that they liked the foundation. That zac taylor building yet. I get the feeling based on reports from jesse and others that bengals ownership has intervened latest season. Kinda said zack. We're gonna keep you around but we're gonna keep you around under the caveat that some of your guys gotta go you know. We gave you carte blanche in terms of bringing in your staff and these guys aren't cutting the mustard so we're going to intervene here and we're gonna we're gonna get you some different guys and that's how we're gonna roll in twenty one so again as of now we probably know a handful of the lower level assistant positional coaches are probably going to be replaced her gym turner's name referred. Nikki sends name on the defensive line on you know maybe jamal singleton the the running back coach. That's a name that some people have mentioned. We'll see nothing definitive as of yet the team has not made official statements but that will probably come later this week and then we'll see what happens if the coordinator at the coordinator level. I think darren simmons is safe special teams kind of been even with the field goal kicking issues. Special teams has been pretty solid in really the most solid facet of the team throughout most of this season. So i think during simmons Safe he is an assistant head coach. Anyway so i think he safe but we're talking more. Brian callaghan lou. Inner room. oh and again. i played that clip. There we'll see what happens. Kind of interesting. What zacks response there he wasn't he wasn't outright. Saying either guys going to stay and usually you know you would think that if if they are gonna stay in stick by them you know you would come out and say that. But we'll see Quick couple of shares donen here through twitter. We've got a lot more to get you. i'm gonna try and cruise through it. I'm anthony costanza junk dot com and the orange and black insider bengals podcasts. Thanks for joining us on this monday. This black monday Around the nfl oughta guys unfortunately losing their jobs and We'll talk more about that. And how that the guys who lost jobs how that could potentially feed into the bengals may be doing in terms of direction in some other things going forward around the nfl. This is a tweet from tyler dragon. Here who covers the bengals for the cincinnati enquirer Tyler boyd also met with the media. Today i was gonna relay a video there. I thought you know maybe that was a little too much. So i'm just gonna take one little snippet year hersey tyler dragon of tyler. Boyd said basically that quote. He wouldn't be shocked if the bengals select a wide receiver with the number five. Pick in the draft. And of course names like that would be jumar chase one of the to alabama Receivers wattle or demonte smith So you know there. There are a lot of different names. They're at the bengals. Could could choose and tyler boyd. Basically saying you know. I would not be surprised if the bengals get another wide receiver even taking what is essentially kind of a first round. Pick of sorts t higgins because he was the number one pick in the second round last year. And i said this. I can't even remember how many times i've said this now. But the bingles have four impending free agents the wide receiver position group. You've got alex erickson mike. Thomas aj green. And john ross. Or so i find it hard to believe that. I mean i think maybe if there's one guy that the bengals would definitely bring back of that group it or not i would say it's alex erickson because i could see darrin. Simmons pounding the table to keep a guy like that. But john ross is gone. I mean Completely fell out of favor with this franchise through multiple multiple coaching staffs. Aj green seems to be gone. A lot of his wife relate a nice message through social media noncommittal to returning to cincinnati. So i think we can. We can kinda say goodbye to say. And then of course mike thomas. He is zac taylor die. But he's made some critical errors this year and really his impacted. Its has been a relatively minimal in terms of being on offense. Maybe he's a guy. Bring back on another rental deal but Four impending free agent so if the bengals don't address wide receiver at number five overall. It's probably going to be addressed. I would assume on day two of the draft to get to get some talented players here to support joe burrow Going forward robert bork's is devante smith or or chase It's kind of pick your poison at this point chases now the big guy on can can. You can move them around a little bit. More in smith is kind of the big play guy. So it kind of depends. You know there's an argument to be made for both. And i don't want to turn this into a listener questions. Episode per se will get to another one of those soon but I like to interact with the guys. Look you know. I think the chase thing makes a lot of sense on a number of different levels because of the report he had with borough and then of course you know you can move them around a little bit in this in. We've seen with both quarterbacks. This isn't a bombs away. A lot of long ball type of carson palmer type of stuff Type of offensive system. There was a lot across a lot of get the ball out. Quick that sort of thing in maybe chase plays a little bit more into that offensive style. I think the bengals would like to go deep more in their offense in you know. Maybe maybe it's just because they didn't have a reliable guide. Their ross never materialized into someone they could believe any jay. Green just wasn't the same in the there was not a connection built there for his usual deep ball skills. So maybe that's where smith makes sense but You know both talented guys. I think the good news is and what a great segue this is. We're going to bring up a tweet from field. Yates just to refresh everybody of the current draft order of the non playoff teams. So here's field. Yates there are eighteen spots man. The dolphins they They really did not in the season very well today so But hey good turn around by them. Pretty good turnaround by the cardinals who said at sixteen. But here we go. Jaguars jets dolphins so. The dolphins have to two picks in the top eighteen picks of the draft so you know they. They've for a team. That had a belief ten wins. You know they've got. They've got a good arsenal hair. Bengals are locked in at number five so whether that means sewell will be there said this yesterday on the post show you know. Look we we say this every year that there's no way that guy's gonna be here. There's no way that guy's gonna be here and inevitably someone always falls to whether it's in the top five or outside of the top five. There's always guys that all of us talking heads believe will not be there in somehow. Someone is there and You know that's kinda kinda the deal but These you've got you've got a couple of the nfc east teams right around the tenth. pick So there you go Bengals are locked in at number five there. And we'll see what they do. Now we've got some interesting headlines with the cincinnati bengals. These are going to be articles. Courtesy of since u jungle dot com. The bengals signed ten players to futures contracts. So a lot of young guys getting Getting under contract here as the season ends Defensive tackle freedom atkin molen Long snapper dan god Safety trayvon henderson. He's been a guy that's been floating around this team for a while. Trenton irwin who got a couple of looks against houston andrea jones. A linebacker donnie. Louis cornerback jock. Jock patrick The believe he went to miami or florida state interesting interesting player there. He was a guy that could excuse me made some noise had he had. We had a preseason. He could have probably made some waves there. But they're hanging onto him. Winston rose the intriguing guy out of the canadian football league quarterback. I'll shurmur of the shurmur family event. Scotty washington the big big wideout from wait for us to you. Know about six five so interesting guy there So you can see here. Just the they're not gonna count on the team's active list until february eighth which is Kind of win. The new league year kind of starts to to turn over there after the super bowl And then you've got probably some more signings that'll be announced coming out but they're not gonna be at ninety quite yet and then they're gonna keep spots open for free agency as well so Again ten guys that they signed to futures contracts that they announced on monday. So i already talked about the were. The bengals are sitting in terms of draft position for next year's draft. Here's one since he jungle dot com on the in case. You did not see this quite yet. The bengals opponents this by the way this talks about both draft positioning and the opponents on cincy jungle dot com. But i'm skipping because we've talked about were the bengals draft the home home opponents. Of course you've got your division teams pittsburgh baltimore cleveland but you host the green bay packers you host the kansas city chiefs you host the los angeles chargers and the vikings jaguars so you know right there green bay kansas city coming into town with three playoff teams in your division. That's pretty treacherous away. You've got again the three of course divisional games. Baltimore cleveland pittsburgh but you've got bears who were competitive this year. You've got the broncos who were not You've got the lions who were not in our in the middle of a coaching and gm search themselves. You've got the raiders in vegas. Who wants to come with me to vegas. it's open. let's go jets as well so some win. More winnable games on the road. But we know that. Taylor only has one road win in his entire two seasons as nfl. Coach so i don't know if we can really hang our hats on that there but those are the bengals twenty one opponents as of yet in the official scheduled probably be announced some. It's usually around draft time. I believe so Keep your eyes and ears open for that. blazed under gabbert's as. I'm going to vegas game baby. I'll see you there blaze. I think i'm going to go to. I'm pretty close to it. Living in so cal so not. It's pretty easy trip in. They're gonna let people in. I'll be there. i'll be there. Let's where we going next year. Oh this is a good question from our buddy where to go our. Good buddy dalton. Who does some great graphic design. Work does a lot of stuff on twitter. Do you think margus hunt will be back. I don't know if margus hunt will be back. But he sure as heck has earned another contract because somewhere that guy's been playing pretty well planned pretty well for thrust into a role that is kind of a little bit foreign to him. I mean he he was always an edge guy but sometimes the bengals would kick him inside. And that's where he. I mean he was a defensive. Tackle the of mike daniels being out last week. And you know. He's had a couple of tips that have turned into turnovers. He's had a couple of nice tackles for loss loss. Instant games and You know he's been eastern a nice little acquisition quietly. I'll eat grow on this one. I laughed when the bengals Re signed him. Because i was like. Why are you going back to that. Well i mean what what's left there And for how much attrition because of injury and covert and all that kind of stuff that the defense experienced this year man. marcus Has he's been a nice little addition in especially on the cheap so if they you know there's nothing wrong with me. Bring him in for for training. Camp purposes preseason purposes in depth purposes. If they think he can continue to contribute that may also coincide with who's going to be the defensive coordinator next year. I mean he fit pretty well into luana. Ruma was doing there. So if he stays maybe margus hunt stays. We'll see but i think mark has has been You know a nice a nice addition there Good to hear. From you dalton. Thanks for tuning in bud. Let's keep it rolling here. This is the bucket of cold water that we thought we would be avoiding with new year. And unfortunately we did not so. There's your headline trae hopkins suffered acl tear versus the ravens. We saw him helped off the field yesterday and You know it didn't look great. I don't know that any of us really immediately thought it was. I mean he didn't return so we thought it was pretty serious. But i don't know that we immediately thought that it was going to be. You know this serious. But here's here's the deal with guys Number one you're to best offensive lineman in the guys that you relied upon the most jona williams trae hopkins now have some somewhat significant knee injuries to come back from trae hopkins's kind of emerges leader on this on this team so getting an acl tear. This late in the season is not This late in the game here that that's not ideal we'll see. How the rehab goes. I don't know that he's going to be ready to go right away. In terms of starting twenty one. We'll see joan williams didn't have you know the structural damage. But i mean it was. It was a significant injury. And now you've got two of your best guys rehabbing On the offensive line which is already a weakness as it is Rehabbing injuries so. That's that's not that's not good and then you know the bengals need to now. Allocate a lotta resources draft an free agency along the offensive line. You have to. And then your quarterbacks also rehabbing a knee injury It's just a really precarious situation really precarious situation. You know hopkins has been a really nice story. Here's a guy who bounced around quite a bit on the bengals roster was waived and cut and on the practice squad on and off and all of a sudden he kinda linked onto this starting center job. He's played pretty well. You know that was a job that was supposed hopkins was going to be a guard on this team. And the bengals draft. Billy price and billy price has not materialized into a viable starter. I got some time yesterday by the way but So they gave you know. They gave hopkins the shot and he signed a three year extension. Last year he played. He played relatively well this year. played relatively well last year too so he was a guy that was their best offensive. Lineman this year. And then you've got joan williams also who kind of had some ups and downs basically playing his rookie season of sorts. And now he's her so you know not Not the way you wanna start. The new year with your starting center potentially having significant significant knee injury. That is just not the way he wanted it to happen. Going to be here for a few more minutes gonna share some more things with you about the bengals the afc north and around the nfl. Thanks for joining us on the water cooler chat. Hopefully you can take all of this stuff. I'm giving to you and with your co workers with your buddies. Whatever text threads you're on talking some footba you can Relate some of this stuff. A pawn it off your own. You can steal my stuff. I don't care. Go for. I'm i'm cool with it Here's just real quickly. Just a quick rundown in case you haven't seen this. I always recommend people go to this. Because it's a it's a good set of links. it's on since you jungle dot com. The they call bengals news. Patrick judas usually does these forests There's just a lot of some of this have already gone through. So i'm not going to belabor the point but it's a lot of links to bengals dot com and other other great blogs that cover the team Just to kind of get you caught up with all kinds of different things but One thing also. If you want to use another zac taylor you can go to the post game. News conference from from yesterday where quote were a better team than what we show. Today we ran into a team. That's playing as good a football as we've seen all year. They're certainly peaking at the right time but that was not our best today. That's not what we expected to put on the field. We're going to have to live with that and continue to build this offseason and quote and you can get the entire thing i believe. It's on bengals dot com. You can get that news conference. Quote from zac taylor And in get caught up on that. But this is a helpful you know. There's a lot of different stuff on here on since jungle dot com. I recommend you check that out. Let's get you caught up to with the. This is interesting for mark young. Let's see with this paul. Dinner said he is hearing the they are going after lion in free agency versus betting on draft picks. We'll see we'll see. I'm paul donors is pretty reliable source with athletic. He's got a good good pulse on the team so thanks for sharing that mark. Appreciate this one is just quite honestly the playoff picture in case you need to be caught up with that because it's a little different this year Because they're seven teams in each conference so You've got the one seeds in both Conferences you've got the chiefs finished fourteen in two packers thirteen three by the way again in case you missed earlier. Those are two teams. The bengals are hosting next year. Paul brown stadium a combined. What is that twenty. Seven five between those two teams and patrick mahomes aaron rodgers. Yikes you've got the bills as a two seed finishing thirteen three the saints as a two seat finishing twelve and four the saints kind of quietly twelve and four at least to me they. You know you've had the drew brees injury and all that kind of stuff and somehow they they still you know scrape together at twelve and four season. Nice nice work by new orleans air Pittsburgh is your three seed. Seahawks are your three seed in the nfc. Titans or your four foresee. They really made it interesting yesterday against houston in man. Derrick henry would it be over two thousand yards rushing in this day and age. It's pretty awesome. Washington gets your fourth seed. They're at seven and nine winning the division with just seven wins week week year in the. Nfc east you've got the ravens making it as your first wildcard of the fifth seed tampa bay same on the nfc. You've got browns as the six seed and the rams there in your seven seeds. The colts in the bears. I mean man bears. Make it at eight nate. That's another team. I said the bengals play next year and the has the seventh seed and then. Afc colts barely made it at eleven and five so You know that's that's where we're at where we're at with. This data should be an interesting weekend. There's going to be three games on saturday and sunday. Three games for the playoffs. So the mega super. I dunno mega super wildcard weekend or something like that. I don't know marketing geniuses. There a couple more before we get out of here. We're going along long. But like i said we had a lot to get to real quick. This is on. Nfl dot com. This is a vernon the pretty good defensive end for the cleveland browns. He will not be playing. He tore his achilles against pittsburgh. He he had nine sacks for cleveland and was a nice kinda number two d myles garrett so They do have some depth behind a major clayborn Another former first round pick will be coming in an importer. Guston's to play at usc another rotational die form but And then the browns are playing the steelers in pittsburgh this weekend so they get a rematch. There in this time pittsburgh's going to be playing a lot or guys than they did this weekend. So cleveland got got an uphill battle in their missing one of their better defensive players. There are so. Here's here's oregon and it getting you caught up on the coaching. Gm news and this is a really. I'm gonna put this. I feel like this is very valuable. So i'm gonna put this in our chats here guys and gals there. You go so here here. He here's kind of the interviews. The comings and goings all that kind of stuff. Let's see Yeah so. The falcons have interviewed be enemy. Where he morris and robert sala the forty niners defensive coordinator. He's becoming a hot name. The detroit lions have interviewed the enemy dan campbell. Marvin lewis a robert sala. And arthur smith. The texans have interviewed. Jim caldwell matt ever flus the colts. Defensive coordinator another hot name. And then there you go marvin lewis another one getting some run their marv. The jets who fired adam grace. Eric enemy brian daboll in matt. Ever flus have been there Do even wanna do we need to do. Gm's because it's not like the bengals have one. But i guess we can quickly go through it. you see a couple of names there For the falcons. Morocco brown terry font fonteneau brad homes anthony robinson rick smith carolina panthers ryan polls. Jerry reese brandt tillis the lions man. Look at their list at just a ton of names air including piola. Louis riddick thomas dmitrov so couple of of really big names. They're that they're looking for on their gm. Search houston matt. Beserk again in riddick. Getting an interview there. Then riddick also interviewing with the jacksonville jaguars to be their They're gm here. We go right here. the fired folks. Dan quinn is we know he was fired. Mid season and thomas dmitrov was as well detroit. Lions fired matt patricia. We knew that that was a few weeks ago. General manager bob quinn and former bengals guy Brayden coons Was let go as well so that was kind of an interesting thing. Of course the texas let go of head coach slash. Gm bill o'brien. The chargers. let go of anthony lynn. So this may be potentially watch for the cincinnati bengals Anthony lynn for a. You know some form of a A coaching position really well respected guy. In the league Had a couple of nights seasons with the chargers but just you know never got him over the hump and they started really slow this year. Aside from the win against the bengals wacky one in week one. And then you know Kind of surge towards the end there but not enough jacksonville. Let go of doug marrone another guy that The bengals could be keeping an eye on out there as a guy to bring in so marrone is out of jacksonville. I said the jets. Let go of adam gays and their defensive. Coordinator greg williams. Greg williams was a couple of weeks ago after that. Raiders debacle And then the carolina panthers general manager marty herni and then our old pal paul. Guenther the raiders. Go him a after in week. Fifteen so that's a little bit where we're at right now. In terms of comings goings narrowly. Cummings at this point in interviews. I guess but goings etc. That's going to do it for us. Guys that went Kind long here but wanted to get through a ton of stuff for you get you caught up on all of the headlines again anthony. Cosenza was cincy jungle dot com in orange. Black insider bengals podcast. We've got more coming at you. Matt mimics going to do more chalk talk episodes. We've got our deep dive show on wednesday night. John sheeran myself. I know the boys. Ac zimmer doing their thing with the orange is the new black show all part of the cincy junk podcast channel. So subscribe check out. What we're doing. We're gonna continue to bring you all kinds of stuff. 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DAVE RANT: The Timeshare Industry Is Scum! (Hour 3)

The Dave Ramsey Show

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DAVE RANT: The Timeshare Industry Is Scum! (Hour 3)

"Live from the headquarters of Ramsey solutions broadcasting from the dollar car rental studios. It's the Dave Ramsey show where debt is dumb. Cash is king in the paid off. Home Mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice. I'm Dave Ramsey your host. We're glad you are with us today for the last thirty years and I from the time I turned on this microphone until now we have had one goal and that is to help. You have a better life you do that. With knowledge knowledge is power. You do that when you transform Your Life Your Actions. Your habits or behaviors as a part of that that power gives you the ability to transform your life and God working your blessing. You does that. It's absolutely amazing. And so one of the things that keeps people from winning in an area of their life like money is bad products financial things that we do that fall under the heading of stupid that are setup to benefit the company selling them and rip you off. We talk about them all the time we tell you not to buy whole life life insurance we tell you not to Lisa car. We tell you not to use credit cards. For God's sake stay off the payday lender lot and you don't go in there. Pay Eight hundred percent interest. Don't buy a stupid timeshare. We tell you these kinds of things all the time. There are a few of these spaces where we tell you. The product is not only bad but the vast majority of the people in the industry are bad. These are bad people selling bad products in bad ways. And that makes it like a triple lose. You got to stay away from this. The large majority the payday lenders fall in that category large majority of credit card collectors fall in that category and the large majority of timeshares fall in that category. Bad people selling a bad product in a scummy scuzzy illegal lying fraudulent manner on a regular basis as standard practice of business. We run into it all the time. We run into the horror stories. We get to hear from you. How you got screwed now. Granted you walked in there. You got the free vacation in quotes which turns out to be a high pressure sales event. That's two and a half hours long. Promised to be thirty minutes and there is no vacation. You spend all your time down trying to get this person off of you. That is lying cheating stealing conniving anything. They can do to get you to lead by one of their stupid but timeshares before you go and their every word out of their mouth is a lie there. Scum it's unbelievable. I of all the industries. Now I've had a few car. Dealers People Daveramsey Lista car which is obviously ally. I've had a few people say Dave Ramsey credit card which is obviously ally but I hear every week that some time share salesman is telling somebody the Dave Ramsey timeshare. I've never had a timeshare. I have done almost every stupid. Horrible thing you can do with money but timeshare is not on the list. Let me just tell you? There is not a condition that the only people selling time shares are the super high end. Ones that you might WanNa think about doing. But even then I'm not GonNa Recommend for instance Disney the Disney timeshares. Our whole different class of timeshare. But most of these things are just bottom feeder UK. You would not let any of these employees. You would not let the owners of these companies in your home and yet you buy a week of vacation from them and it is awful if you have had A. We're going to devote this hour. Starting the process of uncovering all of the misbehavior in the timeshare industry. It is unbelievable. When you get down into how filthy. It is how filthy these people are. It's unbelievable if you have been lied to. Scammed misled. Had been pressured been beat up. Whatever by the time share. Call me. I want to talk to you this hour. I WanNa hear real stories from real people. I got plenty of them. But if you want to call right now the phone number triple eight eight two five five two two five three of the biggest misbehaviors three of the biggest scum burgers in the market are Diamond Resorts International. They're the king of Bad West Gate and Berkeley Group which goes under vacation village resorts. Now just go and Google. It takes ten minutes just Google Diamond Resorts. International are West Gate are Berkeley Group. And you will see what I'm talking about Google Wyndham. You'll see what I'm talking about. You just ask trip adviser you you look at. Yelp you look at the better business bureau you just find street not one or two complaints pages and pages and pages and pages and pages of misbehavior by these people absolutely unbelievable. They don't transfer the date they don't let you use the other property like they said they don't give you the tickets. They said they try to throw you out after they promised you a free vacation like they said you know it's unbelievable and they get sued all the time. West Gate loses a suit for high pressure tactics in Tennessee. Here's an article. Timeshare buyers Nathan and Patricia Overton alleged that they were promised many things when buying a timeshare unit in Gatlinburg that later proved to be untrue. When you're promised something in business that proved to be untrue by the way that's called fraud for example they alleged. They were promised a specific room during Christmas season. But we're later told it wasn't possible. Rooms were only assigned a few days before the visit. West Gate lost an appeal of the case drawing critical opinion from the appellate judge who wore him out engaged in the judge said. West Gate engaged in intentional and fraudulent conduct and willfully violated both the Tennessee Timeshare Act and the Tennessee Consumer Protection Act. He wrote in his opinion. And this this article goes on and on and on and on and on West Gate says this is an isolated incident if it was an isolated incident there wouldn't be pages and pages and pages and pages of people saying the same things about West Gate about diamond resorts international about Berkeley Group. All the time over and over and over and over and unbelievable. Here's some there are some of the postings this is about diamond resorts international. Lisa says they are terrible. The last five years it's become horrible increased. Hoa Prices through the roof. I've been trying for six months to get a reservation. I have annual points. It's become sickening. They're out of control honors owners must pay or we get foreclosed on our credit yet are resort. Time is never available. This is fraud. I'm looking to get out of this thing. I think I need an attorney or a class. Action Lawsuit. Cliff says to put it bluntly diamond resort. International sales people are scum of the earth. And we'll tell you anything to get you to buy. Then every time you visit a resort they want you to suffer through another arm twisting confusing sales presentation and you learn everything they told you. The last time was BS and they proceed to feed. You knew lies. I'd advise staying well clear of them. Hang around here and find out about buying good properties at resale rather than retail. This goes on and on and on. I can read these days but I'm GonNa talk to you too about experience you've had with the timeshare process the filthy dirty apartment that you're supposed to be getting to rent the room. How bad shape. It's in the way the people lie they lie. Did I mention they lie? This is the Dave Ramsey show. Switch your cellular service to pure talk. Usa and save money. Jasmine from Maine said I heard about Peer Talk USA. From Dave Ramsey. Here talk you as a is the best cell phone service I have ever had folks all pure talk. Usa's plans include unlimited talk text and data and no contracts. Try it risk-free. Today call pound to fifty. Say the key words Dave Ramsey and received fifty percent off your first month that's pound two fifty keywords Dave Ramsey. We'RE TALKING TIMESHARE EXIT. S- this hour talking timeshare problems this hour. We're talking about the timeshare industry and what a rip off it. Is this hour and WanNa hear from some of the stories? I've heard them but just talk to some of you. The phone number is triple eight. Eight two five five two two five. Let's go to Shirley in Wisconsin. Hi Shirley welcome to the Dave Ramsey show dates. How you doing better than I deserve. What'S UP About seven years ago my husband and I went down to Florida. I love to go down there and see water in the wintertime. Get Out of the Wisconsin cold. We went to a timeshare because ron go to Disney and tickets are so expensive. We thought we'd save money. Go listen to the timeshare. We're going to say no just got free stuff and so two hours turned into five hours. You're in the sales room for five hours. Yes sir. Why did you not different people our to Minnesota in Minnesota they say Minnesota okay. That's why okay. Yeah Okay but anyway so we thought we were pretty good. We said No. We got out of there with our three tickets. Where so probably couldn't sleep that night because all I could think about was gee you know? It's right outside of Disney and everybody's GonNa go there and they showed us the unit that we'd be like purchasing. That would be our place to stay look beautiful. It was all updated. We had kids. That are older or empty. Nesters GETTING READY TO BE EMPTY. Nesters at that time we thought. Oh they're gonNA get married. We use it for their honeymoon. Well as it turns out we went up the next morning and practically begged them if we could still have a second chance at that same time share because of that low three hundred dollars a year maintenance free so now we've got four thousand dollars still left on it. It was seven years ago. We did the Financial Peace University. We started at the end of January. So we know how stupid we are. we are going through we will be free including paying off in twenty twenty three or pay off one hundred forty five thousand dollars and just have the house left and that'll be paid two years after that. Well good for you on that. So they kept you in there five hours and it worked because you went back the next day and you're Minnesota Nice normal so the three hundred dollars maintenance fee how'd that work out then has not changed but we have a feeling that wants the unit is on loan is paid off that it will start going up. Yeah they get your either with alone. The maintenance fee they keep getting the same amount rate. That's what that's what we keep hearing on them because they're coming so the WHO owns this particular time share what companies that it's through Silver Lake Resorts. Rci Okay all right and where you promised that you could change it for a different one if you want to go to a different location well. Yep Yep. Have you ever tried to do that yes. They showed us the map. We've gone back there three or four times to them while we because we go to Florida every year. We can't find any place to use your timeshare for that so we've gifted it to some people We did have a daughter get married. We send it to Hawaii was great so you have been able to get some other locations. Yep warn their been you know the places that we do get our dom- they're not exactly what they showed us. We have actually stayed at the resort to but we don't get to places like they showed us we're back by animal kingdom where they have braces that go through clue and Fox in the morning so it's just a bad deal you're maintenance is the thing has gone down deteriorated and have you complained about that. We were just there in February and said we just want to give it to you back. We got four thousand Leva. Pay The four thousand. Just take it back. Just want to be done with it because we don't want anything on our credit or you know I know we're not gonNA use credit but the older. They wouldn't do that of course but they fit the only take them back at certain times and this is not when you're here. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah so with everything you've spent on it with everything you spend on it over the years. You could have gone to Nice places. Good you oh sure yep absolutely now so it doesn't end up being a money saving event and end up being a money pit and you stay in places that are pits. Yep exactly we can never say where we want to stay. We like to stay on the beaches. You know the snow. They never had anything. I've had ongoing search for eight months which they promised I would always be able to find something if I would just use that. I've tried that for two years. And they have not. They paid you dollar an hour for the time you spent searching. You would have made your money back for sure. Wow Hey thanks for calling. I'm sorry you got ripped off. You're not the only one. Jeff is in Idaho. Hi Jeff what's up? They I just wanted so you my story with Two thousand eighteen. We went down to San Diego. Our friend onto timeshare down there and he said we can just pay the cash price which was a couple of hundred dollars to be able to stay three or four nine account. Remember exact amount of nights but we checked in and of course. They put the cells pressure on us to say. Hey come and take a tour. And after the tore you'll get a free night's stay within the Aurora resorts Going forward so I went back into the car until my wife got it and she's trying to preserve about it. They said okay. We'll give it a try out how they said it would be a minimum to our. I think it was about three three. And a half good Lord and the biggest thing. Yeah the biggest thing we ran into though is one of her saying no to this lady we have four kids and she started telling us how bad of a parents we were because we're providing vacations for our kids. No Way Rolling is yes. I'm serious my wife is getting pissed and I was like we're done. We don't need any more and associates probably thirty forty minutes to get out of there by telling them No. We're done. We're going to move on. I think we get the free vacation. But we're so mad. That was the beginning of our trip or three or four days and it made our trip terrible. It was like kind of annoying. And then like you said is the resort was like a very low end motel like that's what we saw with anything. Fancy either made a couple of hundred dollars a night for it a couple of hundred for the entire thing seeing that. I think it just drives remember the company. Ninety there and I think Walmart's that's honoring who world world. We're Mark Young. Could be. Yeah all right. Yeah Yeah Well. The terrible experience. My wife was excuses so mad in China south out of the parents we were and and like you said they start dirty with you. Yeah how old. How old were you couple of years ago. Thirty six. Okay all right. 'cause I just man I think if that ever happened to you again. There's no way you stay in their three hours right correct. Y'All can't think of anything. We buy anywhere that takes three hours to buy it you know. I don't spend three hours buying a car. You know. It's just it's funny. How they just? The of this is amazing. Hey thanks for sharing that. They told you you were bad parents if you don't buy now that's a technique that works pissed the customer off see. I'm telling you these people are Scum Scum Scum Regina's in Kentucky. Hi Regina tell us about it. Hi this was years ago but My husband signed us up for a One of those tours and Myrtle beach you know and we had A free like two three nights of hotel stay and then they offered like tickets to to some of the attractions and a free meal a restaurant and all that so we go check in seven. Of course you've got to use a credit card you check in but then they were. GonNa pay it. You know if you win 'cause I Time Scher so we go and that time we had three kids and I left him with my friend. She had kids well. She had to go like three to go hit her Go get her kids. And I believe if I'm remembering right. The tour was like at like new come come. I can't thirty. We're still sitting in that room that they drug offended. You do the sales pitch and I had tried to like billion times. They know now when I done this and she kept saying well So don't crying you know. Come out and find this breeze that you can go and I was like I gotta go so I got kids and came back with the kids and he was. My husband was still sitting in that room and they wanna go let us go. That's exactly how they work it. Wow I would pinch the kids and get them crying. The scummy timeshare industry. We're talking about it today. This is the Dave Ramsey show. Collecting money can be tough for small business owners and sometimes no matter what you end up chasing clients for payment. There's no magic solution but making it easier to pay certainly helps. That's why when it comes to payments. I can't say enough about fresh books. It's accounting software. That helps you get paid two times faster by allowing you to automate so many parts of your billing process with fresh books you can just sit back and collect payments. Try fresh books for thirty days. Free FRESH BOOKS DOT com slash. Dave Ramsey that's fresh books dot com slash Ramsey. We're talking the scummy timeshare industry in the horrible products that they push and pressure and control you into the number of times that they are sued. There's of course like there is in any scummy industry. A full spectrum of bad actors from extremely bad actors all the way up to not so bad actors Probably the best people in the business as you might not be surprised as Disney and they have legitimate products Still not a fan of the product but at least you can sell it. And they don't lie and aren't sued for fraud and all this other stuff like people like diamond resorts international is or West Gate is or the people at Vacation village resorts the Berkeley Group does the number of complaints. When you Google these company names on the Internet is mind blowing. I've never seen anything like an industry that is hated as bad across the board by their customers. So we're taking your timeshare. Nightmare calls Your experience in buying or trying to use a timeshare and over the years. I've done this periodically. I've never done a full hour on it but I know a bunch of you're getting ready to think about vacations as you come out of your quarantine and I don't want you to fall into one of these things. The last thing you want to do is sign up for the free timeshare vacation and get stuck in a room for five hours. Norm is in Michigan norm. Tell me your timeshare story. Yeah so day's pay for taking my call truly truly an honor to speak to you sir. Sure yes I'm Nowhere from Michigan not the Nice Minnesota people. I'm Michigan mead off so yeah we went to Vegas fifteen years ago in my wife and I just think it away for a time and we said Oh well we'll take this free two or well exactly. The free tour turned into four hours and the last two hours were pressured in the office and I told the guy no no no up to five times and I got up and walked away twice only to be come only to come back and My things almost a an argument and this fight between payment. I because I wanted to read my wife wants to stay so it's not very good and I would just say that you know they're trying to earn a job trying to do their job. But but on the other side you have to realize that you're setting yourself up for a bad future in your home life. And so people think about that now on the flip side of that Dave. My brother and sister-in-law. They have a time share. We go with them and we haven't joined our this week game in our state but we pay them for their use of their twenties and we'd take a vacation. How do you remember the company? There's with it's a good one I think with a Marriott yeah yeah Marriott timeshares there right up there with Disney on the better that they keep their properties up and it's a much better much better situation I've actually stayed in some Marriott resorts just as a customer but not as a timeshare user and it's the same situation I signed same units And we do a lot of business with Mariott so very go. Do you remember the company where you almost got in a fight? It was in Vegas. I don't even there's a bunch of men Vegas Yeah Company but yeah but we were there for vacation but But they wanted game truly an honor to speak with you sir and And I found that you're not you're stated I paid for my college I went to college Pay For myself and When I when I got done with College I was twenty stolen and I made a list. You're like what you said. I made a list. Why did this before I even knew about you? And I paid off smallest to largest my car. Loan my my my books my tuition and my Blah Blah Blah and Truly an honor days. You Too Sir. Thank you thank you for sharing your story. Norm appreciate you calling in. Congratulations very good stuff. All Right Terry is on the line in South Carolina. Tara tell us your timeshare nightmare Hey Dave Me and my family went to Myrtle beach South Carolina one year. This like two years ago and hotel it was a keeping alive and say what the free tickets to parent show of course for teachers a lot of other stuff they give us the okay when you have no don't to tore whenever and the next day warning to have free princes and everything it was like five hours. We'll tell them that we was rated that we had to go up on pressure about you know you can go vacation by the time share and you go for free and everything. It was like by twenty thousand or thirty thousand dollars so What did the ticket? What the tickets that they gave you. What were the tickets they gave you worth? What did you get for trading five hours of your life? Why two hundred dollars. Wow it was like two hundred dollars for five hours. Yes is up. That's fine and Well we can't go home and look over it because it's not a one time so we've had five and so we got back to the hotel. I started researching and it was like four idea and it was forty eight hours before I council so the rest of my vacation. It was merely 'cause I had to go to the library. He'll library card. Why not the calculation? Because we were there for they'll be there for a week but we only have forty eight hours to counsel so I but the rest of my days when they trying to count the timeshare but eventually is if they ran it. Before I went home I would have been sub-standard timeshare. Wow Oh so you got out of it. You can't salute within the forty eight hours effectively and they didn't come after you after that right. I got to the hotel I went in research and they were. It wasn't a good idea all of all the bad reports that I'm talking about that are all over the Internet on all these companies. Yeah remember the company name Athlete with Wittol Wyndham. Yeah okay. They're one of the big ones. Yeah Okay Yeah And they said we. I was concerned about the maintenance out there and they was like Oh. He's the groceries with car. And then you get points a you know. I'll st things but then after I research it. You have to leave five thousand dollars worth of of money to outfit even though see satellite. Yeah absolutely glad you got out of it five hours. Five hours. Domin resort chat a class action. Foul on them to consumers filed a proposed Class Action Lawsuit Against Diamond Resorts International Club in. Its and its collection arm and Experien- information solutions over alleged inaccuracies on the credit report stemming from terminated timeshare accounts according the lawsuit out of California's central district the plane of obtained a so-called membership with the Diamond Resorts International to which they were told they would acquire timeshare points to be redeemed in exchange for the right to use accommodations at certain resort. Ch- plaintiffs familiar familiar. Laurie I can't even say it. Charged the Diamond Resorts International. No Stranger to class action litigation used deceptive sales practices and made numerous oral misrepresentations and false statements during their sales presentations aimed to induce consumers into contracting with the company. The soup points out that the plaintiffs went so far as to file a proposed class action against diamond resorts international over this alleged conduct following lower lawsuit diamond resorts international agreed to release the plaintiffs from their contracts pursuant to a settlement which waived and cancelled any and all remaining balances so they had to sue them to get out of it after they were lied to over and over and over again. And that's one of the biggest players in the market island resorts and really this regular. Just hear it over and over and over. We were trapped. They wouldn't let us go unbelievable. If you've got a timeshare story you can call me. Triple eight eight two five five two two five. This is the Dave Ramsey chef. Our scripture a Romans. Fourteen nine so then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual up building. Arnold Palmer said always make a total effort even when the odds are against you. Jose says I. I'll stay away from this company. They are sharks and will lie and say anything to get you to buy their timeshare. We recently went to a West Gate resorts tour to get a discount on Disney tickets. As usual we went and they tour and listen to their pitch. The sales guy I dealt with promised a two bedroom condo anywhere we wanted for two hundred and forty seven dollars or five hundred dollars depending on. How busy was they promised us? It would not exceed five hundred dollars and it was one hundred percent. Sure to forty seven or five hundred. Two months in this has been a complete lie are timeshare was about ten thousand plus the annual fee and all the resorts. We've looked into our twelve hundred dollars plus for a two bedroom and we cannot choose our dates. They give you the dates of their choice. They Lie West Gate Resorts. There you go. Robbie is with US IN NEW JERSEY. Hey Robby how are you? I'm great Dave. Thank you so much for taking my call. Sure trying to get to you for two years. I'm glad you did tell your timeshare nightmare. So it was Wyndham And I was stupid more than what I bought a Windham in In San Antonio Texas in two thousand and ten fastball with the twentieth seventeen I use it down at And and Marilyn and the guy told me that his mother had cancer. You know and and I'm married to a boxing coach Olympic. Boxing coach though. He's we did all this slattery thing. And we ended up walking away from nineteen thousand dollars all the way up to seventy thousand dollars seventy seven thousand dollars and he told us that we had to go from all access to Adid. We would never be turned down so move forward to twenty eighteen. We got turned down for my birthday to go to a national harbor in Maryland. We went to the POCONOS. It was a rat and I called down and they moved us across the landing on stairs that we had never. We told him he could stairs. 'cause we're older and Then they refuse to give us a key so we couldn't leave trapped there on my birthday all day long. Finally I got a chance to get out. And then they didn't bother us while because apparently they change president fast forward to end up December of twenty eighteen. We were in Virginia young and they told us we had to go to young man ended up threatening us and told us that we had to go back to all access. I told him you know you. Lie was told me that that that I would be able to do this. I'd be able to do that. I would never be turned down and he said well. If you don't buy this additional thirty thousand dollars will come after you will come out to your family and I said Oh really and something inside of me snapped and I walked out. I WANNA stopped payment. I in a letter. I wanted a credit reporting agency. You can say this was fraud. They have lied to me. And so they let me out of the contract in November of Twenty nineteen and I tried timeshare exit team. I was not impressed with a guy. And the time it was our last debt and I when we foresaw with a deal you did you walked away from seventy two thousand dollars by what I walked away. Had Gotten down to fifty four thousand so you still owed them the money. Yes you financed. What was the interest rate? You finance it at it was at sixteen point nine nine percent. Gosh but then you finally talked him completely other deal by threatening to sue them. Oh my goodness I seventy two thousand dollars timeshare. Wow Rob thanks for the call all right. Let's go to chastity chastity in Alabama chastity told me your timeshare story. Hi Dave My husband and I were gifted Stating within lines Wyndham down in Florida and we got down there and they wanted us to go to one of those patients to get pretty Disney tickets but kept us for six hours. We ended up buying What they call a discovery package and we got three trips for three thousand dollars to discover their program to see if we wanted to sound for lifetime And every time we went on the trip we had to go to one of those presentations. Which was you know at least two hours. Wow at what point did you say I don't ever want to go to a time share presentation again. really to our Freezing new signed up to discover more of them right. Excuse me the sale discovery packages. Because I want you discover it. Why would you wanNA found for the long haul? Well that's true. It's like a bad sample like. Hey try sample of our cookie. It's bad who I don't want your cookie. Okay Yeah and they say you have to go to Beijing. They pay you paid them three thousand dollars to get more presentations right row. Now what was the condition? What was the condition of the properties? Like would you actually got to stay in versus the ones they showed you in the presentation but one that my friends gave us the one and That's closest to Disney. That one would be like bear. The rest of them were okay. Not as much as that but you cannot even get into one on like Steve. One of the top tier people and he could only get one day there. Wow I don't even want to think about what it takes to be one of their top tier people right. How that just made my skin crawl. Oh my gosh. Hey thanks for sharing the story. We appreciate it open phones at triple eight eight two five five two two five. So what's the moral of story? The more of the story is there's eighteen million of you listening and I'm trying to tell you as you come out of quarantine don't go for a six hour pressure cooker thing presentation on a timeshare in order to get a free night. Your life is worth more than that. Don't sell your time that cheap. You've heard the saying you don't get something for nothing you don't get something for nothing something for nothing you don't if it sounds too good to be true it is oh you just have to go to a little sales president presentation or a little tour and you get a couple of free nights. Meanwhile you end up staying in a fleabag situation dealing with scum of the earth sales people who are not even real sales people who call you a bad parent. Did you hear that story? That was wild. You know threaten you the number of elderly people in these complaints that we find on the internet or unbelievable and this industry is just full of scum. And I'll tell you man I mean the Marriott Group and the Disney group to I can I can say those products are reasonable I would not buy them. Because I don't believe in timeshares period I think there are a bad investment as a bad use of your money. But it's really bad when you deal with people like this West Gate This Berkeley Group. That has these vacation village resorts all over the place and Certainly the king of scum which is Diamond International. I mean these guys Vegas is where you're gonNA find a lot of these guys. Gatlinburg and Myrtle beach where you're gonNA find a lot of these guys and so you just need to be you know. Just don't go into those situations and what. Listen ask yourself. What's wrong with me? That would allow me to sit there for six hours. 'cause I gotTa tell you I'd be there for thirty minutes and I'm gone but that's me and I'm you know I'm not easily intimidated. Obviously so I don't under I mean they prey on people being nice. They prey on people with manners. They prey on. They take advantage of you being trying to be kind and so since that doesn't work being kind is not an option with these people. They apparently only understand one thing. And that's a punch in the nose so we'll give him one black for the last hour killing eighteen million people you suck there we go. There's a punch in the nose. 'cause you suck your industry socks your scummy people. It's scummy business. It's a rip-off people. Stay away from them. Please stay away from. Oh by wasn't unclear. I would never want to be unclear that puts this hour the Dave Ramsey show in the books. We'll be back with you before you know it. In the meantime remember there's ultimately only one way to financial peace and that's to walk daily with the Prince of Peace Christ. Jesus in the middle of these uncertain times. Ramsey solutions wants to give you some home for the very first time ever. We're giving you financial peace university. Free for fourteen days go to Daveramsey DOT com slash. Oh so you can watch from home. Money isn't the only thing we talk about around here. Get life-changing advice on your career from my good friend and career expert can calm all my Ken Coleman show. 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Successfully Balance Creative and Analytical Activities With Marty Johnson | ETHX 125

Enhancing The Human Experience with Mark Phillips

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Successfully Balance Creative and Analytical Activities With Marty Johnson | ETHX 125

"<music> coming to you from boise idaho the fastest fastest growing city in the u._s. and recognized as one of the most creative and vibrant cities to live in this is a special edition of enhancing the human inexperience a world of creativity a series of unique interviews with successful people from around the globe how they get inspired where their ideas come from tom and how they apply creativity in their business and personal lives now. Here's your host mark phillips along with special guest interviewer mark steyn welcome to another episode of a world of creativity special series on enhancing the human experience mark phillips. I'm here with mark stinson mark. How are you. I'm good mark. We've really got an exciting interview and i think people are really again like it. I think one of the things that <hes> this guest margaret mardy johnson is an accomplished attorney and as a lawyer you know i knew of his very analytical thinking and i was hoping to hear about some of his creative pursuits in passions almost like as a diversion like here's a chance for me to get away from this analytical thinking but i think i you heard it differently <hes> the way he said these creative procedurally feed is <hes> you know so both sides of the brain get fed <hes> and i think the listeners are really gonna find. You know how that works for mardi useful yeah one of i feel the same way after hearing him talk talk about how he compartmentalized his different passions and how they feed feed one another and they support one another and they kind of you know work in. It's like a assistant. I thought it was really fascinating. That's why we dive a little deeper into how he does that because a lot of people can't do that well exactly and it's a it's a very popular taught to say that you should be whole brain thinker. Don't just be left hand left brain. Don't just be right brain but the the way he describes it and the way it works for him again. I think it's very practical and <hes> i think very useful. <hes> and i think people can get a lot aww it so. I'm happy to share it. Yeah i am too wall lunch. Jump into the interview and see what marnie has to say. Welcome to another episode of enhancing human experience for instance world of creativity. I'm mark phillips. I'm here with mark. Stinson wilhelm are great and we have with us mark johnson on the line here marty. How are you good morning gentlemen. Everything's great awesome era. Where where are you guys located this morning in. We're in boise idaho in boise. Okay hey great. You say you're in shreveport yeah. We have a little more heat than you bargained a lot more a lot more humidity so mark. Tell me how you know marty. Marty is <hes> an attorney now entry ford but we'd go back all the way to high school days and <hes>. We had a a lot of creative pursuits together in high school. You know creativity has a whole nother meaning of course but <hes> always thought <hes> you know one way to to really attract the girls in high school would be learn how to play the guitar because then you know the campfire songs and they'd say play song for me and whatever but marty had the trump that and learn how to play the banjo the band joe was more cruel and attracted talk to play the banjo just about as well as you learned how to play the guitar. Which was that is true. It isn't it kind of all about holding banjo. As fifty percent of the the gig young. I didn't lot of it has to do and i didn't realize this at the time and this is what kept me from progressing any any farther than i did was it has to do with how you use your fingers it around the neck to to do what they call hammer the streams and you're literally pressing down or very quickly on the strings on the neck at the same time. You're picking with your other hands and that's what makes it sound like it playing so fast. Wow yeah that was a long time ago. I had our i'm digging way back into the vault on these are about pushing in sixty in the end. You're talking about half a century of total between the two of us a full century and experiences and you go. We'll be here until nine o'clock tonight. So <hes> so obviously these creative pursuits <hes> in our took different directions <hes> we both did some time in radio <hes> <hes> d._j.'s local stations and martin continued that <hes> on a part time basis a lot longer than i did but <hes> i want my advertising avenue <hes> as i said marty lawyer a well accomplished attorney in town <hes> and marty. I guess that's that's where we're intrigued by this overlap of business and you know whether it be other creative pursuits as hobbies. He's as passions <hes> how how do you leverage all of that creative energy and channel that into the various parts of what you're doing in life well. One of the things that that i've always heard is that you know trying to focus on one thing. You'll get really good at it. If you try to spread yourself out and attack a lot of different pursuits he won't really get very getting any one of them in as they are for some reason my interest have been so the very going back to childhood basically my interest in radio was picked by my grandfather who was a ham radio operator and it just absolutely blew my mind that you could talk over the air to somebody ten states away. I just thought that was the coolest thing in the world and that's what got me interested in radio. In somehow i got interested in photography and i've been doing that for a long time and i got interested in video editing drones and and doing that kind of stuff <hes> i i guess spent enough time at it all of those things to get relatively good it some of them but i never really felt that was good enough in any of them to make a living at it so that's when i went to law school if had a very wonderful career that over the years in new orleans realize this until about ten or fifteen years ago those two things enable me at least to <hes> <hes> exercise one half of the brain and then the other half of the brain in sort of an alternative way. I can do something creative creative. <hes> take pictures edit pictures <hes> do things of that nature <hes> when i was doing and then you know go to work and spend time using debt side of my brain that requires <hes> logic in in critical thinking and analytical thinking but it's a the process of being being thankful to have the freedom to be able to do both <hes> and it sorta for me kind of a time of day thing certain times of the day i may have the creative straight great going and other times of the day usually have the the analytical streak going but but the key to keep both of them fresh i think is to alternate them and not spend too much time on warranted the exclusion or the other that's interesting because i was wondering whether you know you're saying one side feeds the other <hes> but this idea of alternating alternating what what what do you think is happening in that creative side of the brain to. I guess what <hes> fresh in it. You know keep the the thinking fresh chemical happening in there. What's the rush that you get from. These creative sides well there. There are actual ethics studies john some of the the workout did don't work on cases involve people that have a claim to have brain injury from accidents and i've had an opportunity to study up up and learn a little bit on the different of sectors of brain the different structures within the brain and <hes> what part does what in how they interact with one another another and <hes> a lot of that escapes me now because i guess <hes> not working on it and have it worked on it in a couple of months but the gist of it is i believe that it has to do with a allowing one part to rest while the other part is working <hes> when i'm doing analytical olitical work associated with the practice of law that creative side of the brain is <hes> having an opportunity to west and recharge and rejuvenate for the next time. I choose to call on it to do something and for me. A lot of it is is a time of day issue. <hes> i i tend to be more can't really say whether it's more creative or analytical in the morning but it's one or the other if it's if it's a weekend day i attend to be creative in the morning. If it's a weekday when i'm at the office it is definitely the analytical side because <hes> i get the vast majority of my legal work done don between seven thirty in the morning at one thirty in the afternoon and after that i start to fade a little bit in the creative side will take over when i go home in the evening may wanna pull out some pictures and shot in a a wedding reception two months ago and tweak them a little bit because that's one thing kind of getting back to your original point in question question mark is that i find that if you're working on something of a creative nature and you have been working on it for thirty minutes minutes or an hour or two hours eventually get to a point where you're just blocked out and it doesn't work anymore and <hes> i found myself editing like i'll shoot some video drones ooh and i'll be gathering little clips from five or six locations taken over the course of a month or so and i'm i'm trying to get them put put into a single cohesive piece of work. It's about a minute and a half long that that fits the attention span of most human beings. I'll how work on it for a while and after a while you think man this is just not working. This is just not happening now. Step away from it and come back three days later and bam all of a sudden it hits. You like wow wow this is what this is how i envisioned it and you. Just you know go through it. Incomplete it quickly after that so i think a lot of it has to do with time of day how much time you've been so you spent focusing on one thing getting away from it and then coming back to it later insane it in a completely different light and being able to complete whatever project it was and have have come out the way you saw it in your head and it sounds like you're able to compartmentalize. You know there's activities in other words. You're not over analyzing the editing or you're not over analysing the the choices <hes> photographs or something and maybe <hes> on the analytical side. You're not over creating or a making up data facts you know case so it was segment those things and it's it's it's a clarity of thought kind of issue when after i've been doing something you know involved with the creative eight if pursued for a period of time i'm better able to <hes> sit down in front of a computer or with a book or some briefs or papers in front of me and and clearly think as to how those pieces fit together <hes> in a in a more empirical in objective way so it's it's it's two completely different processes. I guess there's some cognitive overlap between the two but they still have more often than not more things more distinct features than they have in common and and i guess one feeding the other <hes> do do you find that your analyses. You know oh you were saying hey. We're gonna go to the brief. I'm gonna look at the case. I'm going to look at the facts of the case is your creative interpretation of the case more more more enlightened against informed by the creative side and you go i i. I got some light bulbs going on here. Yet can be here. Here's a really good example of that. I think when you for example when you're preparing to present a case to jury <hes> <hes> most of the time early in my career like most lawyers. I think it's most common you wait till the last minute to really even start thinking about how you're going to go about doing net because you're spending all your time interviewing witnesses taking depositions doing all of these nuts and bolts things <hes> to try to gather as much information about applications. You can and you're not really when you're doing that. You're not really thinking about how to present it in the form of a story and that's the key and i learned five five or six years ago that through the process of reading materials attending seminars and stuff that that process is very much like telling a story like writing screenplay and if you talk to any screenwriter they're gonna tell you. The first draft is never the one that gets put on film. You start out with a story and over time it's constantly being revised and updated than there's a creative element to that. You're trying to think of the case in terms of how can i <hes> tell this in present this information in a way that will hold the interest a judge or a jury and i think that process employees some of the creative elements that that been talked about a little earlier yeah <hes> great you know you mentioned something earlier in the podcast here about how you are multi passionate and have a lot of things that you want to pursue. I think a lot of people struggle with that so i'd like if you can unpack that a little bit and talk about your own journey because for some people it's hard to cut off those things things and they carry all that baggage with them every day and do ten different things at a mediocre level or mid level. How did you trim the compartmentalize. Departmental is those and focus on one thing and still have those passions that you still do. How did you do that well. I guess it it it has something to do with the fact that the the things that i enjoyed photography the radio in any of the other number things are strictly for fun. All it and don't have to rely on them. I hope to someday. I hope that someday i can step away from the law practice this in five or ten years and if i'm still healthy enough still be able to engage in some of those creative pursuits if sort of a side hustle ritchie here so much talked about today the date to earn a little income but <hes> the interest in in photography. I'm not sure where it came from. I started about forty years ago. Sutin film had a darkroom. Mark probably remembers the darker. My parents talk round boy. My parents had a guest bathroom. Catherine set it up as dark room and played around with that and had a little overlap with the radio. What about my boss at. The radio station. I worked at howard clark was was a very well known national guy. Programmer famous disc jockey worked all over the country back in the sixties and seventies he was very he was photography. Nut cut in and he taught me a lot. He gave me a lot of tools to to learn into <unk>. Does things like for your out have said exposure on camera how to evaluate light in again. This is getting into the process of that some of that kind of stuff martin one of the interesting things he gave me insight on how to study what other people do like he was a big ansel adams fanatic and and he said look there are three books ends adams wrote about photography ones about the camera once about the negative ones about the crazy said you gotta read those three books and i did it was fascinating. They're not easy read like reading a textbook really take a lot from that and <hes> so <unk> but you know. I don't know how i've been able to <hes>. I guess to some extent not <hes> you. You know the ability to jump from one thing to another. I'm not sure where that comes from. I'm not even sure that jenny could <hes> that. That's a good thing but <hes> the the <hes> <hes> i think the new mentioned mark the struggle over that some people have rethink where you kind of talking about someone being in a position to say hey. I'm a photography lifestyle. I wanna get better but i can't get that much better. How do i how do i do that or do. I move on to something else. Is that what you were kind of asking. Just referring to multi passionate people i meet a lot of people in the world and they've got a lot of passions that they they do all at the same level instead of kind of making one the forefront air or in a business endeavor like the the law practice and that's what i was curious about is e seemed to have compartmentalize those very effectively so that you can have success in your business but also you know have creative pursuits as well. I know that some creative people they struggle with that and they just <hes> do all the things at an equal level instead of kind of you know we're putting him in a hierarchy to that or are you manager through that. Some people don't focus yeah in other words. They're not pursuing really a lot of things equally. They're pursuing a lot of things. Search in attentively yeah in march mentioned that too and that was great martin. Were you said you know focus on one thing. I think that that sums it up and that seems to be a beneficial strength that you have a bit. I can only focus on one thing for a fairly limited amount of time. I think you know some of it may be a little a little a._d._d. Anna but moving from one thing to to the other. It's there's just just a certain universe things that have always fascinated me. Throughout life in photography is one radios another anything electronics basically computers. You know my parents or eighty five years old they have satellite t._v. and voice only cell phones and that's the extent of their technology <hes> on your anything so i didn't get that genetically from either one of them but i think it does probably come camelot for my grandfather who was a real gadget freak but the <unk> so much of an ethic is just a matter of time again going back to that original point time and time of day when the time of day when the creative juices flowing so to speak in ad frankly i. I don't really have a lot of control over that. I can't explain that it kinda comes and goes and <hes> but the the one thing about the process that seems to fascinate me quite a bit is the effect of how stepping away from something in coming back to it later clarifies your original vision of what you wanted to do and i think that applies across the board at applies to some legal work. I'll be working on a brief and i'll get to be after about an hour and a half. I've just developed. Writer's block and it's just is not working anymore. If i go to work on something else and come back to it a day maybe two weeks later <hes> all of a sudden it clicks and you're able to complete inhabit turn out <hes> in a way that is as you originally envisioned that and i don't have any explanation for that or how're our why that happens but as far as practical advice urge something of that nature. I find it does help that. If you get to that point were you are blocked. Step away by all means. They say that i've heard guys that sheet weddings for a living for example photographer say that when you you get back from the wedding do not begin to try to edit those photos that night or even the day after wait three or four days until you've worked worked on something else come back to that project and in you'll have much better ability to come out the way originally envisioned in that works <hes> sometimes if i'm shooting we have a lot of mardi gras events here in shreveport and i take a lotta pictures those come home that night. Sometimes i use a stamp like three the clock in the morning because i'm so excited about him. I wanna see what they're gonna. Look like but invariably. I will get bogged down can't get out the way i want to go to bed then the next day even two or three days later come back to them and see them in a completely different light and visualize a completely different way of manipulating manipulating or editing them and make them try to come out like i want <hes> in the end result after that process of doing it stepping away and coming back results results in a finished product. It's much more like what i originally saw him hit well. Let's let's pick it up on <hes> mentors over you were talking about <hes> howard clarken larkin photography and such but i can only imagine some of the other mentors and and folks in your network along the way what what kind of influencers <hes> really helped your creative process years yeah that that's been a huge factor <unk> mentioned howard clark in radio and photography. He was also a mentor. You know somebody you had a lot of respect for because of their accomplishments and <hes> and they're they're they're virtuosity it doing what they did in because you could see that firsthand because you knew these new him and you know you knew how what he was capable of what he had done in the past <hes> you know i've i've had mentors in in the legal profession charles sally who was the senior partner at our firm who is retired. <hes> was a major mentor to me in legal business. You know when you go to law school. They teach you what the law is but they don't teach you a whole lot about out of practice it and you don't really learn that until you get out into the school of hard knocks and that's why it's been so important is so so important especially for young people getting out of school now to have mentor programs at a lot of bar associations including shreveport has developed a a mentor program the economic tier for <hes> to help people <hes> who were just just i entering the profession <hes> randy rice and baton rouge. Who was the program director at the radio station. I worked at down. There was a tremendous influence and another thing marc another thing we used to do a lot of we spent a lot of time. Listening to air checks and air are a <hes> recordings of radio stations that are made no do this anymore. I don't think the back in the seventies this jockeys would record themselves and there was just this underground network where these recordings would get swapped all over the place and copied multiple times and we would sit around and listen to those things engine just sorta marvel at what some of these other guys were doing in in in through the process of doing that in in enabled you to kinda to get better to develop your around style and in that works in i think in a lot of other creative areas you have these people who are really you don't have any first-hand knowledge a relationship with them but they are mentors to you in a way because you're listening to or viewing whatever their their work from afar and you try to emulate them <hes> the same thing is is true with photography music video styles. <hes> there are some guys out there mark. You probably clearly aware this. There's some him guys out there. That just do some fascinating things with music videos that can be done now because we have the digital tools to do them the cameras that are inexpensive the computers in the editing software that can do things light years ahead of what used to be able to do on film or videotape so you can have not only mentors that are people you have personal relationships with but it can also be people that you observe <hes> people that you have read their books or or or or seen their work in a museum whatever networks <hes> just as well and can be just as important in in molding <hes> your own creative vision in your your process of doing things yourself. This is great as we as we wrap up mardi gras i couldn't help but think about the longevity of the creative creative process and let let's dive back into radio and music but <hes> so the rolling stones are on there like hundred nineteenth to or whatever never a just opened up in chicago what what what accounts for mick jagger at seventy seven years old having heart surgery and then going out on the stage at chicago's i <hes> soldier field <hes> how long can creative brain lapsed man. That's that's a great question and i've never seen the rolling stones in my life telling me about three days ago. We're going to see him in new orleans. The end of next month with another is another friend of mine who were both. I'm sixtieth birthdays within a few months of each other so we thought it would be appropriate to go see the oldest rotman yes but you know the thing about that is somehow you if you can cultivate either comes naturally or i don't know maybe it comes from just the process us with being engaged with with things in their artistic in nature. You can kinda cultivate an ability to to to continue to learn and appreciate new things for example. You know go back to howard clark. Howard clark used to always say it didn't matter what kind of music was he could appreciate associate hit whether it was country rock whatever you can find myself listening to rap music with my twenty two year old daughter and kinda getting into it because i can appreciate it <hes> because a lot of it has <hes> there forms of music out there that would probably seem irritating waiting to most people our age marquez age but <hes> i find it enjoyable because it has a lot of it is very musically complex and it's just i just find it interesting so you know as time goes by as things change <hes> if you can somehow just remain interested in it and i think the best way to do they just keep exposing yourself to it. If you cut yourself off from it completely <hes> you. I think you'll clearly lose interest in it. <hes> <hes> <hes> but i continue to to be fascinated by popular culture the things that mold popular culture the artistic trends <hes> the that occur over time for some reason that just continues to be fascinating to me. I think the reason for that is just i continue to expose myself to it out haven't lock doc myself offering for whatever reason i can't really explain why that is but every time somebody comes out with a new form of music <unk> at least want to sample it in <unk> dub step came out you remember that mark young dubbed steps little say <hes> maybe it's not but i reme- the ad artists like scroll ix and i don't know who some of these others were my daughters listen to that. I said that is the craziest junk i've ever heard in the world but the more i listened to it it is it's fascinating music. It really is and <hes> so i think somehow you know continue to be exposed to you'll remain interested in if you have you you know interesting in the first place and at a price to music and applies to literature books <hes> just about any kind of form of artistic expression. It's a great point marty and one thing. I'm curious to get your take on is do you think that people are innately the creative and want to create or something has to be or want to be inspired or something that has to be kind of maybe primed at the beginning to the sound secure a very <hes>. You're into a lot of things. You're very quick. Inquisitive curious individual. Do you think that is born people or do you think you've kind of nurtured that over the years. What's your take on that well. I think you have to have a propensity to for that. At the outset. I think you have to be of a personality type of to to have interest in that <hes> but the other thing is in mrs <unk> dovetails with the my legal education when you go to law school. Will i mentioned earlier that they teach you the law but they don't teach you how to practice it. The process of the legal education requires you to figure out things for yourself. <hes> when you are in grade school high school college a lot of the material is kind of spoon fed to you know you have to do is regurgitate the facts in an accurate way to get a good grade legal education is completely different and all you're doing is reading volumes and volumes of material over and over and over it just talk honey. I mean the amount of reading the assigned to us just staggering and there's no way you can do all but that's the point of the point is to teach you how to call through you all at material and figure out for yourself. What is important in what's not in over time you you kinda cultivate the ability to do that and i think that going through that process sort of boosted or perpetuated <unk> natural inquisitive nature because even today i may you know this afternoon. I may get a new case in in paul some <hes> widget that used in the oilfield in oiling alling dash drilling. I've never heard of before <hes> in order to deal with that. I've got to figure all at out myself. Nobody's gonna teach it to me and i think that's true of every lawyer. Taber passed the bar and appear in a courtroom and i think that <hes> that component of doing what i do for a living probably helps keep alive the the the interest in the the spark of creativity in the interest of things that are artistic in in staying open minded about accepting getting in embracing new forms of art new forms of expression great. That's awesome amari. We really want to thank you for spending time with us today. Dan sharing your creative endeavors in your experience with us. That's great thank you is we need to. We need to have another one with mark telling war stories. He's about four radio days. Oh i got one. That would be fun. I don't know if anyone else wants to listen to the right. The air the subscribers but what's interesting about it is how much it's changed in. How different is today than it was before in the story of how it got from point a. to point b. is is really interesting and fascinating so you guys ever one. If there's ever a need for discussion of that nature market i can probably talk your ears awful math to you're a and when you're talking about what you call them. Cut cut tapes cut rails air. Check air check. Yes so that is things that were not published alleged renat post. They were like they were like. They were like samples of they would record. Just it's funny because we laugh at it. Now and jenny has always making fun of me. Even when i listen to him today that you're taking only the talking and the commercials all all the things that everyone else doesn't wanna hear and you're saying let's make a tape of nothing but the talking and the commercials all the songs around run smart jumps to the end where the disc jockey starts talking again about. You've got fascinating and everyone else's sign. Why are they talking over my song yeah. Hey hey made commercial versions of those you can buy. They were collections and they were primarily used by radio people to hear what's going on in the other <unk> other parts of the country and it was a it was a marketplace of ideas is basically what it was another source of is you if you were working in in in shreveport and you wanted to move up to a bigger city you would make an air check of yourself to sand is an audition tape to send to other radio stations so they can hear what you sound life and that was another big source of them. In the radio station i worked at in shreveport had a lot of job applicants and we had just boxes and boxes of tapes from all these you guys all over the country and i've still got a lot of and they will still play mark on that not acts of tree bernie yeah. It's fascinating how technology and the way we approach these these things change. Isn't it jurors yeah well martin. Thank you again and we really appreciate it. Thanks it's been a pleasure join a guys thanks and have a great deal ticket right well. That was mardi johnson talking about how he approaches creativity some of the ways he gets insights and some of his creative endeavors that feed off one another. Would you think mark well. I thought it was terrific. I learned a lot <hes> and i knew marge. You know i learned about the way he doesn't just use his creative pursuits to get away from work. You know turn off work but rather how how the creative passions actually feed <hes> the other side of his brain to be a better analytical thinker so rather than saying. Can you know i i need to get away. It's rather like he. He describes it as compartmentalize where you can give focused time to both breath when i'm at work. I'm at work when doing creative things. I'm doing creative things and i'm not trying to mix and match yeah one of the things that stood out to me and i and i think we talked about this. The other day is how he makes it a point to focus on one thing on the micro and the macro level even when he was deciding what to do with his life career to get into he had all these passions still but he focused on going to law school becoming a lawyer and instill nurturing those other their passions on the side. I think it's challenging for some people to let go of some of their passions and maybe put one in the point lead. Mardi doesn't seem to have a problem doing that and it seems to have served very well now i. I think you're absolutely right. You know i think the other thing is i come away from this interview. <hes> wanting to the try new things to read something different to listen to a different radio station. You know whatever the case is to stay current to stay fresh <hes> not to to stay in a rut. You know i try to consider myself a pretty creative person but when you realize <hes> you know have have you tried a new dish. Have you gone to a new restaurant. Toronto drive a different way to work. I mean all these things when you say how to stimulate the brain and get the synapses firing a little different way. <hes> mardi really underscored that the whether it'd be music or anything else <hes> you gotta try new things and stay current because that keeps the brain fresh. I totally agree well. This was another other great episode and <hes> we'll sign off at that point in time and stay tuned for another episode of world creativity special series on enhancing the human experience experience marketing last words now. This is fantastic. I can't wait for the next one me too all right. We'll see you later. I know bye-bye thanks for listening to this special edition of enhancing the human experience a world world of creativity with mark phillips. If you like this episode and want to know more check out g mark phillips dot com and please leave us a review on youtube itunes tunes or wherever you get your podcasts see you next time <music>.

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