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Connie Chung Compares Diane Sawyer & Barbara Walters to Tonya Harding, Halle Berry's Dating Advice - Daily Pop 12/18/20
"Yeah let's do this. Is it ever okay to date your friends ex. Halle berry says absolutely not. never say. Never who knows then. Barbara walters and diane sawyer under fire. The shocking new claims plus is grey's anatomy. Really going to kill off ellen. Pompeo meredith lungs are at a breaking point. I can't even walk onto daily. There isn't surprising. New feud brewing. And all i can say is watch out barbara walters and diane sawyer because connie chung is coming for you. It's friday we've got our drinks drinking and thank you. I appreciate it okay. You guys connie just went off on some huge star. She even said working with. Dan rather was like a scene out of psycho. It's what she said about barbara and diane. That really shocked. Watch when i went to. Abc news on joined with both barbara. Walters and diane sawyer there. And i thought oh this could be great. It'd be you know three women get along. It's not unlike what what tonya harding. Nancy kerrigan both. Diane and barbara were in the same sort of arena of trying to get these big interviews so when i tried to go after them i was told i could not i had to stand down. Really alcon said that on originals with andrew. Gelman podcast. What did you guys. I think when you heard this not surprised that we just had this conversation right before we went live. I feel like everyone during this pandemic is sort of losing it a little bit and i feel like connie everyone's coming for barbara lately in the past year like all of her secrets everything about her. Everyone's ready to spill. But like i don't know. I'm not surprised at all. Feel like this extremely competitive world extremely competitive for women extremely competitive of that time. Robber was already a legend diana. I think you don't hear that that much about it. Seems like that answer. Everybody wants to have over at thanksgiving but those are always the ones career. don't cry. She will never forget that vibe from her. She always just seems like such a lover. We have to remember like we're talking about five years ago. Yeah it any industry as a minority myself. Sometimes you're made to feel like there's only room for one and when somebody is telling you that or making you feel that way you start to believe it so of course barbara and die. It's like oh look at chung coming in here. Seventeen years younger than them. Yeah right so in your mind you probably are thinking. Oh they brought this hotshot into replace us at. I'm not gonna let that happen. And i think i think women do it a lot. I think black people do it a lot. When they're minority a workspace. I think gay people do it. A lot. And i both black and gay so i feel double on on the storm from but sometimes i feel like for me. It's like if i'm the only one here. Let me just open the door for somebody to comment after me. Yeah no i love mentality but you know what it's not even just the stars themselves not just dinosaur. You're not just barbara walters. Sometimes it's the atmosphere that's created around the absolutely actual office like there's some things i mean. The fact that connie was told that. I'm sure she was told that by a producer and maybe that direct order came from something that barbara had said or diane had said in the past but i feel like there's a better check system nowadays i feel like you can check stars a little bit more than you could back been think the league was blown off of a lot of stuff and you can't. You can't get away. Like i feel at the time that yeah connie what. You're saying. chris. And i agree with you is back then when connie kind of came on the scene. That was old school. That was different. You could say things that you couldn't say and do this and you know. I put my foot down on this and yes. There are certain stars. One hundred percent can still say those kind of things but do think that there's a little bit better of a check system especially after the metoo movement and after a lot of big famous faces have been called out for like terrible behavior. People aren't keeping secret anymore. So there's a check system and whether it's may not even be like a interpersonal. Maybe it's just like someone could leak this and you're gonna look like crap so you need to check how you talk to people. Think about this all right. You've you've worked for example for seven years. How many times have you your cubicle and you said. I can't believe i didn't get that interview. I wonder are like you go. And you say i really want that interview. Yeah and they say we have to offer it to firs and it's not about checks and balances it's sometimes about seniority but it's also about almost keeping those stars at check at bay because sometimes saint like okay. You can have the interview because we don't want have to deal with the wrath of you not getting the interview. We have to wait. Until i had to wait until somebody else in order for it to come to ever want the checks contracts and it's i don't think they have this. These are eating more could be wrong. But i know that there's at other networks to help contracts where they are required to do a certain number of interviews per year per contract and so sometimes like you'll see an interviewer that is on there and you're like why are they pulling that person to come to this interview and it's like oh because she was required to do twelve interviews per year so we've got a hit the mark. Mckay tomorrow yeah. We don't know how it goes down here. Yeah black on the new man. You're like yeah let's go come up. I did after like every doing okay. We reached out to barbara and diane for comment. We have not heard back. Unless it's you now brad pitt. Then we're always exception how to Now this one. It's a dating debate. Everyone's fired up about this including halle berry. The question is is it. Okay to date your friends ex highly. Set the record straight in an episode of batum buji on her instagram. The answer is no. I would never say. Definitely not date. Any of your. You wouldn't want to. That's a cardinal sin date. Your besties x.'s. If i know you. I'm not dating your pass. Nothing because that's just not cool What do you think do that. She said she said besties. So you don't obviously you don't date you're besties x. Right because obviously you around for part of that relationship you experience with them. You went to dinner with them. I mean for me. When i the first time i dated cork. He was dating a friend of mine but we were not. We were not best actively. Thank you for that We were best friends. We were friendly. We were cordial. We hung out for sure. We had a relationship. But i knew that it was a new relationship. It wasn't going to be one that extended past. You know that period of time in my life i ended up calling her in upper he pursued me and said listen. I'm gonna date him. She hated my guts for over a year. It was a massive drama and then ten years later we got married in her having a baby. So sometimes you just have to follow your heart. But i totally dated her. Acts it was. It was nice nice. This totally happened to me before. I dated my ex because refund. Yeah that's what happened there. So i was dating this guy and we were not really right for each other. I was going through a phase in college thing and my this was literally my roommate. All the time drank all the time together. We were hanging out all the time and we broke up. You know we said like we're not right for each other and then my best. She's one of my best friends still is who is one of my bridesmaids in my wedding worked out. Yeah worked out. She told me like a year later she goes. I've got to tell you something. She's like me and such and such like we. We hooked up and we like you know mess around for a little bit. You know a little while after you broke up. And i was like more sense anyways honestly like that was my reaction to it. Because they're both donors and it just kind of like made lake. We'd have never made sense. They made more sense. They ended up also not working out but it was funny how she literally kept his secret until it was already overweight down low and then whenever it was done she finally came clean. Was like by the way this happened to me. I can't believe you're still friends with her. Though that's on shocked by that you see really. Yeah because the shady the secret like i told this girl. I'm going to date him. I'm sorry i know you're gonna hate me. But i'm going to go through with this. She knew straight up her house and she. Did you know what i think it is. I think it's because as my best friend. She always knew that. I didn't really like this guy that much. And so you peeved all about this secrecy and the lying. Did you take a second after the call and be like. That's kind of weird. you did. Little took a thought for sure. I mean the fact that. I still remember it normally. Forget everything but i remember this year. Oh yeah you get over it. She's pregnant and mary now she would still. Here's my one of my best friends defines dating something different. Like he'll be like. Why are you dating my ex. Mike earn one day with them and it did not work out. You cannot have a friend who dates everybody. Everyone's in that define it was a defining relationship. Then you're good data to gary. And i like nobody better touch gary right. That's okay. I'll go to jail for that. Oh man okay. Well what do you guys think tweet. -as has tag daily pop next kelly ripa mark swallows. They have some big news for you. Plus teddy mellencamp is here. She's joining us. Live in-studio to talk housewives and her secrets for looking so darn good. Don't go anywhere we'll be right back. Welcome back to daly poverty. It's time for the hollywood minute. Give us sixty seconds and we'll give you some cool celebrity stories. All right at the clock starting with kelly. Ripa marcus raila. They're going back to their roots soap operas. They're going to be producing a primetime version of this show. That brought them together all my children as of now the show will be called part of valley city where all my children took place. Okay from pine valley to za moon data. We're getting our first. Look at coming to america. Amazon studios released these photos from the sequel starring. Eddie murphy and arsenio hall. It seriously. Looks like they haven't even aged a bit since the original movie in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight cannot wait for that. Coming to america will be released on amazon. Prime march fifth and miley cyrus has revealed the moment where she knew she made it. She billy idol on her sirius. Xm radio show. That share came after her on twitter. And that's when she thought she'd really made it because share gave an f. about what she was doing true. True words there morgan. Do you agree that it's a compliment. If a celeb- is pissed off. A you i love it. You ask me. i listen. I've had my fair share of celebs being upset with me. And by celeb-. I mean justin bieber. He was mad at me back on how it is that cop that caused a ripple effect in the office. Everyone frozen flipped out and needed to verify that it was really him. I don't think he cares about what i'm doing now so i don't know if it's continued but it was definitely. It was a high moment in my in my day. Okay all right now sometimes very successful people. They also are very strange. Have you noticed that but generally give their unusual habits of truck like maybe it'll make accessible to. It's time for a little would you do it okay. Starting with peleton co founder. John foley told the new york times he hydrates every morning by drinking. Forty sips of water by hand. Andy keeps going until he feels like. He's about to throw up. I'm guessing like the hand goes under the waterfowl situation. I'm not trying to do anything out of my hand right now with cove it out of my faucet. I don't want to drink that water. You know you just don't trust the water in la like that but if you live somewhere else you know. Maybe that's not a big deal but if you live in the morning it seems like i'm on fear factor. Not want it in the morning. I'm like oh and you just try to chug some of it to hydrate. Yeah tro does ask. jennifer aniston. Does that they go bottle of water. But i i love what i drink. Water time fred somatic. Because he's move your water bottle out of the shot. I'm all about water but not out of my speaking out of my hand. Yeah it's very time consuming. I don't get the point of that. Oh marketings coming after your call them at this one. So jack dorsey the billionaire. Ceo twitter reportedly only eats once a day to help maintain his focus. He skipped breakfast and lunch. He only has dinner. I wonder what the workers twitter with your boss. Raging from those tweets wonder why twitter is like a fortune five hundred company. That he's hungry. I could you this. There's no possible way. I i need my breakfast every morning. I have to breakfast at the ways. I feel like my brain doesn't turn on. It's funny always find a way to spend the least amount of money and they're like no. It's good for your health. I'm like no bitch you're just cheap. Yeah you're just cheat. Steve jobs with that turtleneck. You just wanna wear black. Because you're cheap you don't want to spend money on clothes. I totally get it. Jack dorsey i get it one day. You're cutting back. You're hoping your family's gonna cut back because your jeep okay. So we're not gonna do that one all right. Hold on morgan. Who are the cheapest people you know. I know i know some cheap rich people. I really i really do like if someone fourteen bucks. You better give that fourteen bucks. Oh i know. I i've been there too. Okay there's nothing worse but you know what those people make money you know you. Yeah but at some point you got enjoy it all right benjamin franklin. Let's talk about you still way back here. He may have written the declaration of independence in the nude. He wants wrote a letter saying he enjoyed getting up each morning. The windows and doing an hour of nude reading and writing. I mean who doesn't want to read and write in the nude in the morning. I honestly. I don't think that that's weird. Lovely by the way. I already know. I've senior furniture from your instagram. It's all beige. I know that not only jordan is wearing clothes in that house at all times. But that dog has apar- on because let me nuts hidden no couch. We did get some white couches and every day. I'm like well we can't have people over. We gotta put a towel down ice away before. Welcome to my house before you sit. Let me just put the plastic covering like you need to stop. You need to stop. I'm like but i'm just scared what they're going to spill something and we waited so long for them. But yeah so yeah. It's scary all right coming up. You guys are big celebration with brad pitt. Plus steady mellencamp is here to show us some healthy twists on some delicious dishes that you can make it home. Stay with us trigger. Welcome back daily. We have my friend teddy mellencamp joya happy to be here. I know right. I'm so happy you here. Because i have a confession. I've been snacking like a bee's instagram. Snagging stop myself. So what i'm doing is not stopping myself. I need you to teach us healthy. Ways on snacking lighter and writer perfect so first thing to start the apple chips is such an easy thing to do you throw them into the oven. Little parchment paper put a little sediment cut it up. Put him in for two hours. All of a sudden your whole house smells delicious. And everybody's obsessed and then you can use it as a little dip and you can either if you wanna be. Super healthy can do vegan caramel dip. Which is a little bit of maple syrup. Coconut oil peanut butter just lifted up. So it doesn't matter what color apple no. It's your choice. I like register for the holidays because it like yeah sentiment on it. so why. never get into apple. Chris is because every time. I buy them in. The store just seems like there's a lot of sugar in them says system and there's a little crisp but it's still soft enough that it's not like in your teeth okay. Yeah that's the healthy peanut butter debt. So that's the greek yogurt that a little bit of peanut butter. A little bit of honey cinnamon lasts a week in the fridge. Your kids love it so good. This is awesome. Are you enjoying your time. And not being thumbing housewives right now. I'm george you know. I'm enjoying not being part of the drought about smackdown. Ireland joined like. Let's talk about leaving the real housewives of beverly hills to a break up so are are we past the danger we in the break you know. I think there's probably a taylor swift song about. I'm just not sure which one you you're not you're not morning yet now. I'm out of morning. Okay i'm out of morning. You know we've had a lot going on in the fam- so we've been good amazing watermelon. Okay so get your little watermelon here put it on here a little bit of yogurt dip so think of it like a pizza. Okay okay so you put the yogurt dip all over any kind yogurt greek yogurt but you know if your kids like vanilla or whatever it is. It's up to your own discretion. I like this and the kids love to my kids know. Cruise was so upset. He couldn't come today. was like mom. This is my favorite. And i should know. He won't go and camera me. Just sit down. Because i'll take a test which one of your kids you think is most likely to become a singer or cruises like the most artistic funny comedy type guy slates. The most empathetic dove is like boss. Baby back in business next question. I'm always low on fry fiber. Because i don't eat a lot of vegetables. Are these fruits high in fiber. That will help me get it moving. Yes so well but you can also add flax seeds chia seeds. You could add some nuts. You can add whatever you want. It's just it's up to your own discretion for this little pomegranate. And then you just make it make it. However you want to whatever's gonna please your taste buds and then you cut it all right. Let's see if these knives are sharp enough. Send loves fruit and loves watermelon. He'll be so excited to be calling this watermelon pizza watermelon pizza not only like culex so cute. Okay you're all in by teddy dot com. It's all about keeping yourself accountable making healthy choices so holidays hardest time. What can we do to how to keep ourselves accountable. I think the biggest thing is the reason that i think it's eighty percent of new year's resolutions fail by february is because people are like i'm going to change my fully today right. They don't make small changes ipad. So i start by going on walks like you don't need to run a marathon going to walk drink. Water start journaling. Start putting things to paper that you really want to achieve and then you will. What's the biggest mistake people make new year's resolutions. Well one they're going to be hung over the day after going to change my life today honey. Why jan fourth the day that you come in. Oh my god we love to have you here. Where can people find these recipes. Go to my instagram at go. All in by teddy has all of these so much more and and things that you want us to make for you. So we're happy to do it. This is amazing. You guys make sure to check out all invite teddy dot com and her podcast. Teddy teapot monday. We're going to have so much fun being here. Okay coming up you guys. Hollywood's shocking breakup and re who recently called it quits. And why they're still. We're still that over. I got this brad pitt. Busted him stripping down whereas birthday nineties. That's next okay. i'm map make this thing again. So okay you. You like in the peanut butter. That's the greek yogurt peanut butter a little bit of honey and sentiment and then just whiskey. This is kind of hard to believe. But brad pitt turns fifty seven today so in honor of his birthday we are looking back in his career and all the time he left us wanting more just about making mistakes. You know where we're going to keep on plugging it's all gonna be alright. Brad has been one of the hottest leading men since the nineties. He made his first big impression as charming cowboy. And thelma and louise in nineteen ninety-one. John says everybody down on the floor is definitely a step in the next metal level grad. His ayla satis with films like interview with the vampire. Seven and fight club versus club is do not talk about okay. How focused on all the films were. You showed off that chiseled. By of real bad there was sexy. Tattoo brad and snatch sexy greek. God brad and troy commander boss brad and fury and his latest. Leo's sexy stunt double brad in once upon a time in hollywood. Let's be real even with clothes on brad. As h stati. I supported desert cool now working the other pingo idea of a home personal know. Brad's one of the most famous guys on the planet and he's not afraid to keep his private life private. Don't have an answer for him. Let's move on the next question fine. We'll go back to admiring this. Ooh oh my gosh. So many sexy versions of brad. I don't know how you choose. I couldn't choose. I just literally said all the brad's my favorite. What's your favorite tested black brad. Y'all job. I like a man in a suit man as extra high. I mean even about lines it just like he was dead inside and also like my little dated. You do. that's true. okay. What did i say. Oh mrs smith honestly was i. It was really hard for me to even choose. But then i was like mr. And mrs smith who was but then i was also felt bad because i love jen and that was obviously the the beginning of the end for them but that was very very hot. You can't you can't link the it just you know makes you. Yeah again. I pick all the brad's okay. Happy birthday brad. All right sure. We saw lots of celebrities. Start a new romance this year but we also saw some huge breakup. here are some of the splits. That really surprised us in two thousand twenty family. Now you know great feeling and just knowing that he's always going to be there and we're a team. We were shook when preston and j announced in april that they were splitting up after ten years together. It's horrible there are so many hard parts The hardest for me is the kids. That's the hardest for me. That's kelly clarkson on her talk. Show opening up about her split from brandon blackstock. And it's getting harder as the divorce case he did. We try to make it to a movie once a week or go having adult lunch so that everything is always centered. Megan fox and brian austin green had their ups and downs breaking up getting back together. Several times over there sixteen year relationship before may and filed for divorce last month as a man you know he really demands does support between julianne happen brooks like continued even after they separated earlier this year. They tried to make the marriage work but julianne filed for divorce last month. Volume of someone. Who makes you laugh is a wonderful way to live your life. We thought they'd laugh their way through the rest of their lives. And that's why olivia wilde. Jason dake is breaking up made us wannacry true only justin which split shocked you the most i think katie holmes and jamie foxx alley. I think for me. It was keeping under wraps for so long. You know what i'm talking about mortgage you know in a couple keeps it under wraps. It seems like they're going to go the distance. They wanna protect it at all costs and i think the minute they took that first beach walking photo it was all downhill. I get that it seems more real when couples who keep it off the radar break got. You're like wait. What you guys were doing your own thing. How do you break up you have you had all the everything was working for you. for me. I felt like livia wild jason's you'd acres and that's kinda the same thing with katie holmes jamie fox. They weren't show you know in the spotlight for a while and then to hear them break up after such a long time. It's just like it was a bummer. Yeah that one was probably my biggest shock. To the other one really disappointed. With just kristen. Cavalier jay cutler. I just love kristen. She's a good friend of the show. And i was just really sad for them and just the fact that they've opened their doors and shared so much of their marriage on e. And that's just hard to to really put yourself out there and then have to go through a break up. That's just really out of them to okay. Are you obsessed with hallmark holiday movies. Like i am well after the break. Danika mckellar is here to share some behind the scenes. Seek that's sex. I'm very busy from working to order. Something here no no. I have a new job. I started another column. Actually it debuts in tomorrow's edition of the pine berry press quick. Well i'm very in demand. Live on skype hallmark. Movie queen danika to daily today. Have you any plans for christmas next week. Does the family have any special traditions. Well you know. We have our christmas tree and we are doing the alpha michelle if kinda funny because my son. He's ten years old. Who is kind of almost too old for it. But he's still do it But he kind of hates the. And i kind of love. How much as the that was a little bit seriously. But there's an advent calendar and so the alp is the one who puts everything in the avenue calendar every night. And it's really fun. I love hiding the. I feel like so mischievous like ooh whereas gaming hanging from today it i love it. That's a lot of that fruit. Q a little sad that these moments maybe dwindling because at some point he's going to hit that age where he's not into it anymore. Yes no. i'm savoring every single second. I just i loved every second of his childhood. So far so i i have no reason to think i won't love it but yeah some things will be changing. Oh you're hallmark movie christmas. She wrote just premiered. And it's airing again on the twenty fifth. What's your favorite thing about working on these types of movies. I mean how. How can we all get in on this. It's just look launching a part of movies that make people feel so good especially around the holidays and especially this year. We need holiday. Romance and gossiping digress. Breakup sort of pressing together. And i was a part of a lot of people's childhoods and now i get to continue that warm and fuzzy thing with these hallmark channel movies. I just feel so grateful to them. They're so fun. I want to be on one so by. That's my dream so let me know if you have any tips on side in coober. That's a good start. I can be there. I can be there eight hours however long. The flight is actually can't get in the country we can sell any. Let me ask you a question. Does it ever get weird to you that you have to get in the christmas spirit in the summer to film these hallmark movies because that would i shot a lotta movies. A lot scenes in these movies. Where like it's a snowball fight and i. It's not real snow and a sweat dripping down my back. You're wearing coats and scarves and hats and your hot sun for the cloud goes in front of the so. It's not actually like sunny in a moment and now having just pretend that its cold. When you die anything's possible. Yeah very true very true. I mean we see so many. Former child stars in these movies Candace cameron beret. Tia and tamara. Jody sweden. we'll fans ever get to see you guys all in one movie one giant movie so many people have asked about bat and i mean i would totally be down for it but these stories are all very similar at serramonte comedy. You're when you're watching one woman's journey through finding love again when it seemed like it was too late for her now. She finally finds love. I mean let's face none of which were twenty years old and your woman who's got a career your well-established but gosh you just never quite found love. And so they these movies they provide. You know hope and it's again it's the right is fantasy of of what life could still be edge. Just i love you hope for me. We wanna play a little game with you. Called mark or hall miss okay. Which one of these movies is a fake. And which ones are real movie okay. So here's the first one. No bride snow coming lettuce no or snow place like home. I wait fake. It's no place where snow place. I come fix. I know the other three okay. The next one. Let's try one other one. Which movie is a hall miss. Is it a very merry. Mix up a merry christmas match married on christmas. Ooh that's for hashtag or merry and bright derek. I'm not familiar with. But i'm gonna go with married on christmas. Yes wow it. Is you know this okay. This next one is kind of tough. I hope i the mistletoe. Promise be the mistletoe. Secret or see the mistletoe. Kiss while div. The mistletoe in awesome muscle tone the mental. I'm gonna go see to kiss. Wow it just looked like something out of like okay. One more one more in here. Okay miss the christmas. Mix up coming home for christmas or good morning christmas. Oh i think. I know say is that. Stop us even see the. That's amazing i'd g. rated for minute to bring out the wind. If i'm going to be in a movie we can do that. Thank you so much for playing with. Deanna carr's book. The times machine is out now. A good christmas gift you guys can get for the kids yes teaches multiplication and visions select second through fifth graders. And it's a great thing to do when your schooling at home because it teaches to learn multiplication facts and i use stories poems and comics. It's very entertaining. It's all about mixing my love of entertainment with my love of mathematics. I've now got books. Mckellar math dot com for all ages. Zero sixteen These books in particular the times dean and also do not open this map book. I highly recommend war for kids like elementary school kids. It will make learning. Math spun at home which is more important than ever so. Please check out. I'm on instagram twitter. facebook you name it. I ll be posting when my next movies. Aaron hallmark because they re air throughout the season. And please send me pictures of your kids with my books. I love to see them and sometimes i re post them as well. We'll do make appearances trying to teach your camera man right here that this the time she got something called the new math translation guide for grownups for that exact same. The one dan taking so much for joining us so good to see you all right. Talk to you soon or are you guys coming out. Twenty twenty gave us so many new celebrity couples. But who's going the distance and who's not gonna make it past new years. Plus i'm facing off with charlie's there and this is a challenge. You don't wanna miss It's messy. we are still laughing about this. Funny picture shirley's there and posted on instagram. It's a side by side. Comparing kylie jenner's makeup skills do hers and charlies is makeup. Seems to be done by her child. So of course you know. I wanted to see how my son chase would. Do you know what the results weren't pretty. Take a look you do make you do good. Could you help me on. Myspace just makes in. All the colors can be beautiful. Where does it go. I don't know it goes. Do you think it goes. I don't know i feel. Quite beautiful of uniqueness cheeks look a little bear beer cheese. Oh i've never felt so beautiful. My gosh and now of course i've done this once. He's like mommy. Let me help again. Let me give them like no. No no this was a one time. Joke kid We're not doing this again. Expressing chase did a good job. I love could look at. What stormy did to kylie's face the age of two. Yeah i know all right happen whatever. The next time joining twenty gave us plenty of new celebrity couples. But will they make it in the new year it is time for will at last or be end up past. Chris adjusted have a stack of this ears. New exciting they had fifteen seconds to pick three to place in our different temperatures zones. I've already picked my three. So we're just gonna watch chris and justin struggle. Okay so start. The clock dow air. We go and they're down all right. Wow fast you make those collide. You make the machine gun. Kelly's think it's gonna last. Okay these two are really on the right track. I think we're doing really good. But i'm not one hundred percent positive. It's gonna stick these. Trevor noah minka kelly. I just think they make sense. And i really believe in them. And i think it's gonna work. It's all to them right now because a porn team. But i don't know what's going to happen after quarantine. That's what i kind of put in a sack brockie in my cold division zero because i think once the world opens and he has the word but she can go on yacht. I think she it's done. And then i did this morning. Warm because i actually kinda sorta and believing this come. I also believe that they believe in the same things and they want the same thing. And i think that they work together. Because sometimes you just need somebody who understand your ambition. Mike holders your hot yes. There are star crossed lovers. She is getting some of the best d. of yes but are they gonna last until the new year. Yes i think. They're going to last until he can't laugh anymore until five tells them all right. Well that's what she can. Kelly and making fox for his hat. Okay maury what was your choice. Mine was really hard. I chose machine gun. Kelly and megan fox for coldest. That's and then i did. Tiffany haddish uncommon for warm. Okay which i think. I don't know if i'm changing my answers right now. Then hottest. I did ben and ana because i feel like i've been a little shady towards them but then i feel like they keep walking that dog. They keep living together. We're hearing about them expanding their relationship. So i feel like they're my hot couple. I've then we're all believing in that one. So i guess. We're all warmers too hot. Now i do think tiffany haddish economize. Last almost wanted to put them in there. If i could. If i could do a little cold situation i would do this right here. 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Kelly Ripa & Mark Consuelos
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They showed us into a very proper living room. Where we sat across from each other at a table filled with goodies. They look so young. It's hard to believe they're old enough to have been together twenty five years. I've read some bits and pieces about them through the years so i was looking forward to filling in their story. We met when we were really young. What will twenty four. What about you did you have a place. I was living on my own by that point. I had you know. I hadn't had roommates in a couple of years. I was living in my own apartment. And then you. You had a steady job. Yeah i was on a soap opera all my children. That's where i met. mark. I screen tested him. Oh you're in the sweeter. Yeah yeah. I met him the day before the screen test but i had seen his picture before the castle direct. She said. I think i found our guy. She said he's green. He's never done anything. And he's in tampa florida. And i was like you're kidding. And she shows me this picture. And i thought to myself i am dat. I'm dazzle. i am dazzled by this person. And i don't get dazzled a headshot as a head shot. I mean how many headshots have we all seen particularly good head shut either. I was dazzled. Shot you were desk dazzling and so and so. They brought him in a day early because he had never done a screen test before. I had curlers in my hair. I hadn't been in makeup yet. I looked like a disaster pimple. Coming up on recovery is covered. It was it was covered up with like medicine toothpaste or something on the pinfall. And i i walk into the room and there was the headshot you were. You dazzled when you better worse but i don't know i was such. I was such a such go from living in tampa getting off a plane and then your screen testing job. That's going to change your life. I was you know my my head was spinning with. I can't believe this is happening are you. Were you in tampa because your family they lived in tampa and i finished up my last two years of college in tampa at south florida and your dad is spanish. Your mom's italian mexican italian mexican italian and what are you. I'm italian. both of my parents kidding now. My mom is her. My mom's dad was irish. So i think that's where i get. My is great is really thinks he always says that. Italian irish make the best. I don't know why. I say that. I can't prove it now but i agree with you because i think my my parents have. I mean speaking about marriages our between our parents. Our parents have been married over one hundred ten years. Twenty years have been really good marriages. Yeah do you think that's helped worse huge lead to act way your father act to tie. It can't help it. I can't help. But i'm sure i do. That's a great combination nobody dominate. Nobody dominates in certain areas. They would let with youtube one of you do the finances the one to something else marked as mark is really. The financial planner and mark is responsible for every good financial thing. That's ever happened to us. I can't think of anything bad that you've done really. I mean financially really got like that is a thing that i said to him remember. We first met him. I've never met an actor. That's good at math. And he said. I'm a terrible actor around that good actor boat. I can really really good at math. Yeah yeah so. I i do kind of take that part of the rule here and she makes the home every holiday i we would have nothing if it was up to me. It's funny because i think of us has so progressive as a couple. I always think of uh uh slick sort of politically progressive where more aggressive people and yet when it comes to our own family and our marriages and our roles i think of initial very traditional almost old fashioned in our role because he because why because he sort of you know i. He's made it so that. I've never had to like leave home to work. I've been able to raise my kids here in this city in the nest and maintain an he's always been willing to travel and go and go off here and sometimes he's had to go live in another country to work on a set over there and he's he's never like some would say you made the sacrifice no but i mean traveling his heart and like being away from home as hard and all of that is like sometimes he would miss milestones for the kids and i know that was hard for him and he made it so that i could. I didn't have to worry that he make it. Because we were agonizing are who are we. What are we going to be. And this talk show. Opportunity came up and he's like you know. I think i think you should do it. It seemed so out of my depth. And not in my wheelhouse and not what i was used to. And he said you know. I think it will allow you to do two things that you've always wanted to do which was really. I wanted to raise my kids. I didn't want to have them and never get to see them. And the talk show afforded me this opportunity where i would work in the morning early in the morning and then i would have the rest of the day to take them to their activities or be there and watch the ballet recital and do all of those things and so in that way. We're very traditional. You know he made those sacrifices and then and then. I think he wouldn't know how to find. Ballet class would know how to go about signing up for religion like he wouldn't know how to do number hub people's birthdays. She remembers person's birthday in our family and and they are taking care of every single time without fail shoe minds me to make calls call your dad's birthday you have to call you. You're you remind me all that stuff. But tell marlowe and fill the conversation. You were having with me today because going back to what you were saying about learning from your dad. I think maybe like around. Twenty years old and i just moved back home and had a horrible break-up and i was and we talked a lot. We spent a lot of time together driving to soccer practice. He take me you know he spent. We spent a lot of good time together. And i was saying i. This is it. I'm never going to get in a relationship again. I'm never. I don't want to get married. I don't want to have kids. I'm just going to be by myself. And so he said to me listen he was. I know you're going to be successful and not being able to share that with someone is very sad. You want to share it with someone. There's nothing more sad than an older guide by himself. And i didn't believe him i i go. Yeah yeah alright. I'll be by myself. And i walked away and i didn't believe it and then i believed it. All my girlfriends married was a bridesmaid a million times and advocacy and actress. I'm free. I'm going to london. Live for urine do play. When do this do that. You know it just wasn't jimmy. And then i met. Mr blue is zero. You the two of you without each other like jimmy. It's like best. Yeah you really are. Peanut butter jelly. I i remember us having a very funny conversation Because kelly was very independent and live in the city for about five or six years. Before i got there she was on her own and she did her thing and then when i came in i i am a traditional guy like i you know i i feel like there are certain roles i. It's hard to explain exactly what those rows are. But we had a conversation where i said. Hey listen there's really only room for one man in this relationship and it's going to be me. I think we were arguing over where we were going on vacation. It was something really. It was a luxuriant problem to have. And i said to him. I am a woman of this generation. And i've been on my own for a long time like i've i've not and i've not answered to my parents so i'm a i'm a grown woman and so you're gonna have to forgive me if it takes me a minute to keep up with the clock that you're rolling back for my my was about but we laugh about it now. How funny it was great conversation where i will say though is i watched mark with our daughter and the way you raise her to never take to to never take a backseat position to any person that she dates any man that she dates like. It's it's funny. The evolution of you is kind of fascinating when we first got married. I think mark felt like he rushed into it. Maybe he made a mistake and maybe he was regretting it and he took my wedding ring and throw it out the window and and then he turned around and i said i'm still here because i really think he thought in that moment that somehow i would just go and like vanish or evaporate and i was like now and and i think it was like that moment of oh my gosh she is still here and i just did that horrible thing and she still here and she doesn't really seem that rattled right. If i'm getting into your head in the moment big blue it was a big bold move. And i think he was like twenty five years old. That's worry but that but people who are getting married or twenty five years old. Yes you don't do that when you're fifty two exactly and you don't and i think how got i hope we don't but that was the thing like i looked at him and i said you know i get it like i get it. I'm young and married. I'm scared to like i get it. This is forever. I'm i'm with you now. We have to go find that ring us i made any with. That was like that to me is like that's a defining moment. I'm sure and i'm sure there are a lot of people that have. I'm done i'm done. That is outrageous. That is crazy behavior. And i understood where it was coming from. It was coming from a place of terror and genuine fear. And all my god i have to spend the rest of my life with this woman who does not value time. Who is karani late. Let me ask you this What's the biggest challenge you think you've ever faced as a couple because what's important about that is how you combat from it you know. How do we get through trying moments. Your something interesting. I think that one of us remains extremely calm. Is it always the same. Nope nope using depends on the situation. If it's happening to us together are we have got a moment. Like oh my god. One of us stays calm the other one freaks out and we get through it. I'm talking like family. Cancer when his when his mom was diagnosed with breast cancer and it was like a scary time for us and it was and then my and my mom got cancer and my dad had heart surgery and our parents were falling like dominos and thank god. They're all fine now. So what did you do. This is so great because this is what everybody goes through right. They're older than us right. Of course right. So how did you help each other. How did you like did you get the news on the phone. And what are the other one. Do you have many years. Something really funny. My mom might were with my mom when she was diagnosed and mark and my mom came home from the doctor. It was at ten thirty in the morning. I had just had my son. Michael who is now twenty two years old. I think i was still a maternity leave. Which is why i was home. And you guys and it was. I think ten ten thirty an ten. am you. They opened a bottle of scotch. We had never like. We kept a bottle of scotch just sort of like in case anybody ever asked. We'd never nobody ever. You know it was in case anybody successful ever came over. We would offer them and they opened a bottle of scotch and they both drank like a glass. Tumbler of scotch. And i'd never seen my mom. Drink was and i was and i was and i was sobbing and i was sobbing and and and i. I called my sister and my sister. Said i can't talk. Dad is dad collapsed. And i'm on my way to the hospital. He needs a bypass surgery. And then the same same same exact day and i said to mark home. I we are cursed. We have to get a priest here. I mean we have to bless we have to. We need holy water. We have to burn candles. Like i just couldn't believe it. I was when my mom was fighting. Cancer kelly she took it. She took her into our home and she lived with us for seven eight months. Yeah well yeah it was a it was a long process. You'd go to the chemo with her. And the radiation with her and bathe her. I owe it to my parents to his mom. I owe it to them to take care of them the way they've taken care of us. I don't wanna screw it up. I don't wanna give them sub sub standard care because they raised us so they raised us in a way that is like my person view but she does it and she does. It mean for his money. Yeah and my dad comes to new york for his heart doctor and she goes with him and sit there and takes notes for him and accompanies him. It's when she's doing. I'm in vancouver working. Oh typically right here. But she does it. She's like i'm going. That's great to be speaker wonderful testament to your folks. Nine mon gave me the best advice. she said. Be good to your mother in law. She said you treat your mother in law the way you would treat me but nicer. We'll have more after a quick break. Let me tell you about my secret weapon for learning new things and getting ahead. It's hard to find the time to sit down to read and learn more. Will you don't have free time. You can't read or work on personal development. 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How you fight is something to learn. I mean we we had to learn how to find. I am an immediate thing. I'm a choir goes off right now. He would simmer for a while and then explode a. We didn't was a while for us to be able to align our temperaments to you have to feel safe right. Yeah you have to you to feel safe in the fight. That know that you know i realized that i am fill in marlow. I simmer and then i explode on say i do i. Sometimes i liken it to a kamikaze mission every now and then you got like you know what i'm going to we're gonna fight and i'm going to. Let's see let's go. let's really have a blowout. And i know i'm loose. And because she's always right. And that's great and i know i'm going to have to apologize. Tend to rise above it. You know it's like when when i go. He'll go hi right. I will somehow try to get a shovel to dig myself. I'll try to lower and he's like he's still stays he really. You really have like maintained. Goodness i've always know. I admired about you. It's like not every now and then. I'm gonna blow yeah. Sometimes i'll be amazed at what he's willing to die on. What crafts and i go. That real really. I mean like all fall asleep in the middle of some netflix series. And i know it's not about that flex but the argument has been. I guess it's more of a fill thing. Have been simmering in there quite some time. you know. And he'll say well. I've been waiting to watch this with you. I've been in canada. And i promised you i wouldn't watch it and i've been waiting to watch it now your sleep but i know it's really not about that. It's probably about seven arguments ago. Where i got where i got my way or whatever you know. We've had that argument as well. And i've not done something that wanted to do with phil and you'll fall asleep or he'll not want to go on a promise or whatever and ineffective. Actually i my feelings. Because i had built it up in my mind. This is something we'll go to share together and then it's then i feel like we'll i lost this thing. I thought it was gonna have had ice cream. Sunday didn't get isn't that kind. It would is a is a disappointment of july. Feel were they say. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Just is it's as simple as that he wanted to share it with you. He's been waiting to share with you and your bombed out so they is not quite as much fun as it was kind of. Yeah were you always comfortable sharing feelings with each other. One of you have to teach the other do that interesting. I was just no matter what he told. May i used to have a conversation with myself. No matter what he's about to say don't have any expression on your because if you have an expression he might clam up and he might feel ashamed of whatever he's told you or judge in some way so i would be very mindful to not have any expression. I don't no matter what he said. The expression always you know it was. It was before. I used to get before. I got vo- tonks. It was like before. I don't even know if both talks existed at the time but i mastered the art of having no expression great accommodations. Yeah that's what i call in combination. It's a yeah because you don't want the person to think that there are being judged you want your spouse to feel safe and i know that in you they have a confidant somebody they can trust somebody that's like gonna walk through the fire with them whatever. It is an ps anytime. He told me something what i had built up in my like anytime you would say. I have to tell you something when she gets upset. What my brain wench was so dark and crazy. I would say he's about to tell me that. He's disposed of a body wants but it was always like something. So benign the different twin your marriage and other friends marriages. We have a lot like we have. I have to say my friend group. I have a lot of happily married friends. And i think that that is a great because i think if you don't i think that that can can really spread like the unhappiness and i agree and there are people. There were people in our lives like earlier on in our friendship circles. That would make us unhappy and we would never figure out like quite why we would become unhappy around these people and we realize they were in an unhappy marriage and it was like the stress of feeling their unhappiness would somehow tap into our souls almost because getting into an argument as soon as we would leave their home or leave the dinner table at the restaurant and it's not like us to have a perfectly lovely evening and then fight on the way home and we realized we were like we were wearing their energy. When things aren't going well which happens all the time. How do you reset well you you think about what you did wrong. And then you talk about it and you for it you apologize. Even if you feel like you've done nothing wrong. I think the you owe it to yourself and to your spouse to put yourself in the other person's position and see it from their perspective like if we're at a dinner party homemade comment and maybe is something that embarrassed me. But from his point of view it was just funny and it got laugh or whatever and from my point of view. I'm embarrassed it hurt my feelings right and i think that's something that mark is really good about instead of like getting defensive. He'll say you know. I didn't think that that would hurt your feelings. I'm so sorry. I did not mean to embarrass you or issue to me or i see what you mean like. That's i think that's something that's very kind simple gesture. That's one of the examples of. I finally getting marriage. I think that's a good example of of. Because i didn't used to do that i'd be. I'd get really defensive right. We get really defensive about it. You know. I say everything wrong. Or if i did apologize. I'm sorry if you're upset that. I said that sounds like an idiot. I would think that was smart. Smart thing to say somebody else is one of our. The couple said that. Will anybody says i'm sorry. If that upset you was just solution. I don't mean it all your other doing is saying you know you a pain the ass. You're feeling sides upset. I'm ready but a real. I'm sorry i'm sorry. I said i'm sorry if that upset and anytime you're coming from a place of i'm so selfless. I am sacrificing so much. That is narcissistic thinking. Really have to. Sometimes i'll i'll come up toronto okay. I'm totally looking for some some attention and being completely selfish right now. But i need. I need some alcohol. I'll call myself out and say. I know this is going to sound crazy but i just need you to like humor me for a minute and she does. If you can tell your spouse what you need in the moment it is the most helpful thing because by the way married people or people looking to get married. Nobody's a psychic. Marriage is like a roller coaster. Ride right it really is. And there's these high highs and you're like oh. This is great. The tickling in my stomach feels amazing. And then you and then you like sink down to the depths and you go through things and you're scared we've often said like if we had gotten divorced like so many times over things that at the time seemed like a huge deal we would have missed out on so much life and incredible moments and fun and some of the reasons that we are enjoying like our adult lives now is like when all of our friends were going out and like out on the town and taking impromptu trips to tropical islands we had small babies and toddlers and we were tired and exhausted and we would be sometimes short with each other not really kind to each other and we were not like taking the time for each other and that could have easily frayed our marriage we could have easily turned on each other but instead of we were just fortunate enough and we listen to each other just enough. I used to leave the lid off the toothpaste which drove him crazy. And i realized i was starting to do it deliberately to drive him crazy and then one day i said okay. Are we going to have a nice marriage. We're going to be dramatic all the time. Put the fucking live on. Put the lid on the toothpaste. You said to yourself yeah. Put it on. Kelly rocket science putting the just wasted on. You're you're leaving it off deliver. I was. I remember the moment i had that conversation in my own head where i said. Go back and put that on because it's going to it's going to dictate what kind of day you have. You're going to either have a good day or a bad day by that gesture. Think about some of the things that we've argued about in our life and we're we've like that's it okay divorced. And and he's always like he let he laughs at me whenever. I said that he's like okay. Okay i'll see what the the divorce court so what you're saying is when you go off like go to when you did that. He was the one that was sort of say kamala. Yeah calm town. You're you're the you're the peacemaker. Yeah yeah i think so. It's those things that i find like when we've settled in two are like are happy place where we are now. So many years later decades later. Right i find that the fact that i thomas clean up after myself. I on time for him. I do it for him. But i've also done it for myself now right and he does things that i know. Didn't always come naturally to him but he does it now. Like you figured out that. I love gardenias and they always come. There's never any reason they. They show up once a week. He sends them to me just to let me know that he's thinking of me and i remember the first time you sent them to me. I was. I just thought that i had. I thought he was about to tell me. He had a secret other families. Because i thought oh this love her mind. Well i said these gardenias are so extraordinary. He's going to tell me he's academy child out of wedlock during our marriage. That we didn't touch on is jealousy. I'm your host so frigging good looking. I don't have a jealous bone in my body which is which is good but he can be jealous. Which is it's i'm always so sort of. i'm show i'm sort of shocked by it. Because i'm somebody i would not consider that somebody would get jealous about like. Jealousy is not really so much. About what the other person i guess. Oh no excuse horrible. Oh are you both jealous. He did a movie with kris kristofferson. Wow oh wow through the middle of the night. You believe this so sound asleep and i hear this banging on the door and digging us. Oh no gonna be up like an hour you know like four thirty something. Whatever was and get open the door. There's feel and the minute. I saw my thought. He thinks kristofferson senior off that said that he was liable for the door. I said come in. I was so mad at him i have. I had like another full hour right now. You know why can't do the seat aggravated that. He would think aggravated. And i'm excited. And you're and you're here and any log sitting. I just miss john to wait until we feel okay. So let's get into it quickly. What if what if you come to the door and chris christopherson. Is there what happens. Is there a fistfight. What happens. I would probably walk out. One other have never seen you again. Yeah wow you see with mark. There would be crime scene tape. There would be like police barricades. And there'd be a whole right. Yeah because you. You did that a few times i would show up. He would show up at. And i i remember one time. I looked at him and i said. Aren't you tired of catching me here. Actually doing what i'm saying. I was doing a show in boston and we could. There's no set we weren't we didn't have cell phones time right and i couldn't get hold of all day and i got a really bad feeling and so on. Yeah it's horrible and so unfortunately. There are flights to new york from boston every hour and i got her finally on the you know how they used to have this on the plane and so she said you sound funny. I'm like you sound fine. I guess it's just the phone. He's a what are you doing tonight the friday night. Were you married or not married. We doing tonight. I said believe it or not. I'm cleaning the toilets. I was like i was cleaning so he for some reason. Thought that sounded very fisher. Unitel you on the plane. No he wanted to catch me came in very much. Hey what's going on happy to see me. No he tells the tell. Call up to the apartment and tell her that. There is a flower delivery and so for and i was like a flower delivery. And i'm so excited. Because i'm thinking who my. Gosh he's sending me flowers are nice and i'm getting i have like a johnny mop in one hand. I wearing a bathrobe i am. I am a disaster. I'm not how. I want my husband to see me when he gets home from like his movie. Set and open the door and it's him and he comes in he doesn't even say hello to me. He's looking then. I go and i'm still looking for the flower guy. I was like there's a guy coming landlords. It's a horrible feeling. Gosh i'm i'm less chile these days. Oh my gosh yes. There's no such thing as this perfect marriage. It's the crazy stuff that you get through together. That makes it all worthwhile. That's kelly ripa and markham's suelas. It's great how they still seem to surprise each other. He pretty boring if there were no surprises. That's why i'm marriage you until next time. I'm phil donahue marlow thomas anyway. I know you're leaving tomorrow. You must be having romantic night tonight. So no ranting night. But i we're down to one kid knows. Double date is a production of pushkin industries. This show was created by us and produced by sarah lilly. Michael bahari is the social producer. Musical adaptations of it had to be you buy sell wagon symphony marlow and i are executive producers along with me alot bell and lee taal mola from pushkin special. Thanks to jacob. Weisberg malcolm glad will heather fain john's nour's carly wrigley ori eric sandler. Emily russ dhec. Jason gambrill paul williams and bruce kluger our show. Please remember to share rate and review. Thanks for listening Mental health is just as important as physical health at mental health. Map dot com. You can join the quarter million. People that gentleman has given groundbreaking insights to throughout the last decade at mental health. Map dot com. You'll be able to use genetic science to help understand and maintain your mental. Health results are good for life because your genetic results don't change experienced. The new experts starting point for your mental health with gentle mind at mental health map dot com. That's mental health. 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WWHL @ Home: Kenya Moore & Ziwe (WWHL 2000th Episode)
"Gifts will have extra meaning this holiday season and is where you can shop for extra special meaningful gifts. That are handmade or hand picked for the people. You love inspired by what they love. This holiday season shop oetzi to gift. Like you mean it. Giving a gift from oetzi makes the person you're giving it to feel seen instead of the usual mass produce gifts give something truly original this year. The gifts i find on our handmade hand chosen and one of a kind given a gift from z is a way to show the people. You love that. You're really thinking about who they are and what they care about. I can't wait to see. People open their holiday gifts from oetzi. Because i know they'll see that. I really put thought in love into their gifts. Go to see dot com slash gifts to shop meaningful gifts for the people. You love this holiday season that's dot com slash gifts. Hey guys let's be honest. I think everybody could use a trip right now. So i was pleasantly surprised when i found the virgo app. I love her. It's a vacation rental site that has vacation homes anywhere you want to go and it's super easy to find the perfect one for your friends and family. You should check out the verb app. Whatever kind of vacation your family loved ones need. They'll have the perfect place. That's very the dot com you're together awaits welcome to the bravo clubhouse for the podcast edition. Watch what happens live with me. Andy cohen grab your first and squeeze it alive because tonight i'm hosting this show for the two thousand time. It's the two thousand episode of watch what happens live with kenya. More and z way. Now everybody wants to thousands episode or watch what happens live. I'm your host andy cohen. But if you don't remember that after being told two thousand times maybe even playing are drinking game a little too hard so glad these two guests could join me for such a momentous occasion. I please welcome real housewives of kenya more. Kenya more haircare this. This is diana ross. Look that i deserved tonight. For my two thousand episodes. Thank you. yeah you did. And when my next guest isn't interviewing cancelled celebrities helping to eulogize all of the things that were cancelled by the year twenty. Twenty-nine comedy special yearly departed premiering on the thirtieth on amazon prime video. Say hi to comedian and bravo scholars. E way hazy way great you to see u z way. What does it mean for you to share the stage with miss kenya more tonight. I mean this is an honor is an icon and is a pleasure to be right next to such a beautiful woman there. You go Got some few questions to start off with kenya. Bree are said you and marlow seem to be moving forward and being friendly. What do you attribute this sudden shift to. And how did you react when you saw her. Whisper letoya to be careful when she talks to you about business. I didn't like that at all. And that's one of the reasons why i said you know. What marlowe you're still up to your ways. You don't wish me. Well you're not my friend and then we had a come to jesus meeting we basically fall in fought and fought and it was just too much it was just too much negativity teeny and we actually are in a much better place. So i'm happy when you will eventually see it on the show. Okay and kris k. Wants to know what was your response to drew saying that. She's never run you on a casting because the two of you are in different age brackets we are. That's the truth. i mean. I'm a woman of a certain age and i looked younger than her. So i mean i can see why will run into her really pretty girls to z way general reactions to the potomac reunion part one. Oh my gosh. This is the most shady experience of my life. I was watching it mouth agape. I've never seen a binder so full of receipts in data. I mean she should be running for office. Well if twenty twenty was the world's crappiest oysters as rives rise to fame has been the only pearl so i want her pearls of wisdom when it comes to the bravo shows. She's been bridging in quarantine. How do you feel about porsche. Agassi and using her platform to amplify the black lives matter movement. I love push with their king. I think that she has modernize what it means to be a civil rights activist. And i am proud of her from you. Know underground railroad to leading the movement. Shout out to her can you. What's your reaction. You know what. I think that any time that we bring awareness to important 'cause you have to find that was easy way reaction to drew her husband's below out at the end of this episode and the fact that he disappeared for days at a time in tampa. Yeah i think that is on dark famously. Would make me uncomfortable to know. He's watching the on his little spike camps. But hey whatever works for your relationship. I am single and you know. God bless hey well. Speaking of single. What three qualities do you think. A man needs to have to be deserving of a relationship with kenya shady like her and handsome dark chocolate. All right lights. Reaction to the michael darby drama at robin and one's party those last six minutes of that episode. While i'm absolutely shook i've never seen someone viral so quickly behind the scenes in the production room so i mean talk about i. He really is a pathfinder for breakdowns on television. What was what was your reaction To the receipts. That monique busted out regarding jamal thorough. I mean that it is no word for that that i pray for both of them. Do you think jamal. Ju think giselle should be worried. I think just should be worried because what. Her father has intimated more so than what monique has gotten from the internet. Or you know the likes about regarding candice and mony kusei the you on there. I think that they are both in toxic side that the only way for us to sixty two for themselves each other. 'cause they're both a little wrong. You shouldn't hit people but you shouldn't call people trolleys kenya. What's your what was your reaction to their Altercation really disturbed to see that. I mean here. We are in the middle of black lives matter and we're watching a black woman attack another black limited and it was just really disturbing to me and i was very disappointed with you. See it z. Way your reaction to jen angrily calling mary a grandfather at mother effort in at that party. I think that there's a lot to drag mary about and we don't have to talk about whatever. Darkness is over there regarding her relationship so far. Who is your salt lake city cast. Mvp athere easily had. There's always eating meat balls. I can relate to that lifestyle through all right. Thank you very much z. Way can relate to that lifestyle tonight while candy was getting uber. Emotional at riley's graduation to brand new atlanta women were having their first day of school and since kenya tough on the new girls. I thought she'd be perfect for a little newbie faceoff kenya. Pick your answers to my questions between the new gals toya and drew. Who would you want to have your back in an argument kenya. Wow bad letoya who throws the best shade letoya. Who would you trust to babysit brooklyn. Let's wait of the great mom who has better style. Oh honey child anybody can tell you that it would be letoya who better fits into this group. Ladies interesting okay. Who would you guess has a higher. Freak number a locally. Would you prefer to be quarantined with of the to all right. I think we know where kenya stands here. Thank you very much. That is funny Wow way jackie g. wants to know if you agree with wendy. Karen didn't like her. Because dr wendy didn't bow down and kiss mama. Karen's ring that is not impossible. But i think that these women are from two different generations to different vibes and karen doesn't really like anybody who threatens her but that's what we love about the grand don kenya. You become friends with any of the potomac ladies. Oh yeah. I'm well giselle and i really closed. I absolutely love her in adore her. I think she's a great person. Robin i love Ashley i get along with candace. I really am friends with most of them. I just am not pretty much friends with karen and and now money you. So you and karen don't have connection. I just. I just not friends with her. I've met her a few times. She's at cynthia's wedding She you know we don't have a connection. I like our on the shell. I think she's very entertaining. All right. let's go to our virtual audience daisy. What's your question for kenya high. So i thought it you and mark recently were together for brooklyn second birthday. You guys look really happy so my question for you is where the two of you stand and have you filed for divorce yet. I have not filed for divorced He did file in with drouet less than twenty four hours later so we kind of got bad that and right now markets relief fighting for his marriage. He wants To go to counseling. He's made appointments. He's asking to publicly. I to me in a lot of things but i never thought i'd see the day so all right okay brandon europe. What's your question. For z z way. So i read that. You also draw inspiration for your instagram show from housewives or a unions. Is there an iconic house reunion debt. Limit in your mind rent-free yes it was. It would be andy. Cohen asking direct cuddly. What she thought about someone saying that her boobs look big and bad. Do you remember. This was maybe season. Ten with denise first season. sure sure. That's the lot of boob questions going back to orange county season. Two gotta tell you. By the way zeke. What was your reaction to the conversation surrounding colorado tonight on the potomac reunion. It's hard to deny color them when you see a women of a shade of color and then wendy on route. It's hard to deny it. It's really uncomfortable. But i think it's important to have these conversations The holidays are upon. Us and kenya thinks the elf on the shelf is creepy. She better buckle up because she's about to get a festive visit it from the elves aft- up cousins it's the return of our clubhouse shady shot skis. Hey shady okay. Kenya pro-life my mantelpiece. Do not come in peace. They do come with questions about your appearances on this show. you've made many in our two thousand episodes. I stopped we have a question from lady gaga pee perfume. What's the question in the two episodes of watch what happens live which was your least favorite to watch anyone. Anyone a good answer all right. Now we have chamras implant tim'rous implant. Ask her a question. Who would you rather get stuck in an elevator with michael rapaport sherri shepherd fox vivica for sure. Okay finally the bunny has removed. Ca meals ball gag to ask a burning question. Okay bunny come. Yes that was on walked happens live with you that you would never want to be on the show with again a guest. You're paired with that. You would never want to be on with again sharing shepherd i just. That was probably my worst appearance. I thought she was trying to take over the show She was very arrogant so it shares. She was calling you kendra. Most of the night she thought she was still on the view and she didn't know she had up here. We get fired she okay. Thank you shady. Watch keys go back on the shelves shoe off with you. Well over two thousand episodes. We've made it our mission to play games with acid trippy. Titles that you wouldn't see on any other show and almost is often. We've tried to incorporate naked models whether the game really called for it or not. You're welcome by the way. So i want to see how many of these brilliantly stupid clubhouse games you to remember with what's in a name i'm going to throw out some potential game. Titles you gas if we played them before. Okay i up the ass menagerie. Did we play kenya z. Way yes we did play with zach quinto and connie grappling elaborately asses. Okay what about. Who's sitting shiva with kimmy gibbs. Did we play that kenya. No no okay we did. We played it with jerry. O'connell laurie laughlin. Okay how do we play. What's that smell for wral. I don't see how you smell game on the show. So i would say no zero says no to. Yes we did. It looks like we played it with carole. Radziwill and ferrall. Okay did we play camel. Show no. They didn't kenya yet. Z way. i'm going to say yes. Because i've been surprised every sounds like we did but we didn't how 'bout hit him where it squirts kenya. Nine z. way. That feels a legal so no we did. Not about the deadliest crotch. Did we play that game kenya. No z. y. Yeah we did play with. Sarah silverman nine okay. What about blow job or no job cal. I would be afraid of if you did. I'm going to say no z way. I'm gonna say no we did. We did with debbie. Mazer. adam brody. What about schwab pass. Okay sure i'm going to say we didn't but it sounds great. What about riber. What about do lynn's curtains match the drapes. I'm gonna say no we did. Not but we used sounds like last. What in the crystal ball sack. Sure okay. yes we did with mark swallows and mama elsa how 'bout how to more okay quickly booty hole in one. Shame on you. If you did shavei us we did it. Okay last did we play dra- ch- is that your snatch funny. That's too funny not to play but we didn't play at zero wins. The game kenya. Julia p wants to know. Is there something we're not seeing. that happened. offscreen that made you like letoya so immediately. We've never seen you like a girl so fast. I don't know it's something about her. It's just really genuine and funny. And she's unapologetic and she's really a kind person. I just really want the viewers to give her a chance. Not for my haters. Who don't like me to say. Oh well she's friends with kenny. Give her chance. she's really great girl. She actually gets along with most of the girls alexandra. I'll wants to know z. Way who's your pick for best dressed at the potomac reunion and do you think karen has gone too hard on giselle style. This year is justified. Jays al is one of the most beautiful woman ever seen and she cannot dress to save her life. That's the gist. But well at smart girls. A lot of the acute dress outside is not yet. Oh who else. Who else do you ask. problems dressing. Kenya god i mean. I used to love the way ashley dress. Because she had the grey body in. I don't know what's happened to actually addressing. I really didn't love. Any of the girls stresses except for arana's best tours at reunion island wendy's look as well. Wendy gorgeous olive beautiful. I just didn't love everyone's drax all right now all week long. We are celebrating some of our favorite watch. What happens live two thousand moments for tonight. We've come through the many many gems bestowed upon us by the atlanta housewives. We can only play one. The nominees are kim and nina's iconic closure legs to married men fight from two thousand nine the night in two thousand ten when candy was on with patti labelle and gave patty crabs as the lights went out in the clubhouse also twenty ten cherie playing she charades with tabitha coffee. Kenya's is fraught twenty fourteen appearance with sherri shepherd that she mentioned earlier we're sherry kept calling her kendra and finally kim zolciak performance of tardy for the party at bravo on this year featuring me those are your contenders. Let's see which clip we're gonna watch light up the board when i stop. It's going to go stop the bravo. God this is original track folks. Don we we only. What can i tell you. This holiday season is going to look different for most but it can help feel brighter in a world of mass production. I love to shop for gifts. That are truly unique gifts. That i can't find anywhere else from creative handmade pieces to one of a kind vintage to things that are personalized just for the people. I'm gifting them to go to dot com slash gifts to shop meaningful gifts for the people. You love this holiday season. That's dot com slash gifts. This may not come as a surprise but my family is ready to get out of the house. And i mean out mine too so i was pleasantly surprised when i found the virgo app. It's a vacation rental site that has vacation homes anywhere you wanna go and it's super easy to find the perfect one for the whole family. I knew i wanted to escape the cold and found the perfect beach house. That was warm but still driveable. It has massive outdoor kitchen a pool and so many other amenities that gives us a chance to really unwind and relax. That's amazing. i'm going to check it out. Because i know you can find pretty much anything on there for whatever you need. I am ready to take a trip. You should check out the verbal app. Whatever kind of vacation your family needs. They'll have the perfect place that's verbal. Vr dot com. You're together awaits off two thousand episode after show. It's getting more. And z way. You're lee departed. Premieres december thirtieth on amazon prime video z. Easy i really yes she. Thank you talk. Phoebe which housewife newbie. Would you say the best first season this year. wendy leah or gar cell. i love carcelle. I think that she is a talented actress. She's beautiful and she came up cool calm and collected so i love gardell. Okay very good kenya in our once and on a scale of one to ten. How would you rate latoya's shade towards drew would you. Were you surprised. She came in so hot out of the gate. To another surprise. I was very surprised. Delighted to by the way did. Yeah you did you did. Katie reader. I am but i won't give her a good steps z. Y. noel are wants to know. Be honest with you. Ever rock and embellished hat tacky. Sweater party a matching hat situation. I'd love to support small businesses. So perhaps that's funny Sandy from sarasota. Florida at wants to know kenya was difficult to say on national tv. That you gain thirty pounds during quarantine. I admire you for speaking up about your struggles. Thank you you know. It wasn't difficult. Had had a horrible late six months since the pandemic and before that and i was just going through a really difficult time obviously with my marriage and i think you saw some really wrong. It's for me and it is what it is. And i think that a lot of people are going through the same struggle style. I wasn't afraid to share kanye lizzy and when snow vivica fox reached out to you after you apologize to rod wendy williams and what made you want to apologize for on national. Tv the answer is no. She hasn't reached out to me. She definitely has information knows. People wanted to apologize to her. Because on the jordan show she was you know she againry reignited whatever was going on between our feud in but it was the first time that i heard her say that i had hurt her. Beefing and you know you know. Superficial arguing is one day. But when i heard her say i hurt. Her were friends before celebrity apprentice and whatever went awry when awry but to hear that hurt her in. I really believe. Turn a dismay your awful. I wanted to apologize to our good for you good. The atlanta women used a dictionary to get the proper definition of the term sugar. Daddy but i wonder which qualities ten and z way. Think with defined an upstanding husband. We're going to play. Let's talk about the husband's the rules are civil. I'm gonna give you traits that pertain to pairs of housewives husbands for each round. You're going to pick which one sounds more like marriage material. Would you rather have a guy who smokes pot or a guy who calls your friend. Inherently cold z way. easily maurice. yo pot okay in kenya would you rather have a guy nicknamed his penis. Tarzan or a guy you can do the splits. Immune to the split for me zia little at best zee way. Would you rather have a guy who insists on going to every party with you or a guy who never shows up because he lives in your code. A virtual boyfriend. Hey all right. Would you rather have a guy who your mom thinks is after your money or a guy who wants access to your phone. My mom after my money. Okay recently okay way. Would you rather have a guy with a great ass or a guy with a super deep voice. I i like i like food. And that's just one of my loss. Okay can you. Would you rather have a guy who was once married to another member of your family or a guy who's manhood is allegedly a different color than the rest of him him. Okay this is the white guy with the brown death. would you rather reuse. Okay do okay. Can i just do most black. Men's penises are different than their than the rest of them. Would you say. that's what i'm saying. Is that most of black. Miss penises are darker than your body. Just the same. We're a lot of black ladies darker knees or elbows lake pygmy alright alright z way. Do you cosign. On the look at your. I love burchett. Your girl never seen a phoenix in my life. All right. i think that's a good place to leave it. I to thank. Can you more and watch special on amazon. Prime on the thirtieth. I was a great two thousandth episode. Look forward to two thousand more thanks. Everybody thank you guys appreciate it. Thanks for listening to the podcast. Everybody hope you enjoyed the show. 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Enron - The Black Box | 2
"The the enron chief financial officer andy fastow was about to kill an alligator. That's what former enron ceo rich kinder used to call it he. He said that enron's problems were like alligators and to fix them. You had to get in the swamp kick out all the alligators and kill them one by one fast. Al likes to remind himself of this. Every time someone at enron becomes a problem and when that happens it's time to go alligator. Hunting fastow gets out of his chair paces with each passing second. He gets a little angrier then. There's a knock at the door. Today's alligator has arrived. It's open jeff mcmahon enters the enron corporate treasurer glorified accountants more like it and fastow hates them. You wanted to see me andy yeah. How'd you meeting with jeff. Go my meeting with breath jeff skilling slip your mind. You don't remember speaking jeff behind my back andy. Do we really have to do this. Your problem talk right now. Find the current situation with l. j. M. is completely untenable. Is it yeah you're enron c._f._o. But separately you run l._j._m. J._m. an investment fund that does all its business with enron aso so this is a conflict of interest bankers at maryland. I union colony. You've launched l._j._m. To now and you want them to provide debt financing and you're threatening to pull enron's business altogether if they won't do it and also enron. Iran employees are telling me that when they negotiate with l._j._m. It strongly implied that if they fight for themselves too hard they'll be punished with negative performance reviews over at enron will andy. This is a completely out of control fastow clinches. None clutches his fist. He can feel the heat in his face knowing he's turning red. You wonder what would happen if he just hit mcmahon right here in the office. He could probably get away with it. There's no need for such extreme measures yet jeff. I don't know if we can continue. Can you working together and what you talking about l. G. m. is legal. Elgin is good for enron and as an employee of enron. That should be good enough for you. I need to look out for my shareholders. Look out for them then. That's not my problem you think. I don't know what this is about. You know l._j._m.'s great idea. You're just mad. You didn't think of it first first and instead of coming up with something innovative on your own just trying to tear down when i built it's lazy and it's unethical on your calling me. Unethical your little trick with nigerian barges. Come on. I know everything happens in this building and everything you say skilling gets back to me everything breath so just thinking about that next time you wanna run crying him like a little bitch. Get out mcmahon just stares back at him trembling with rage. He can't express breasts fast doctrines. He knows skilling will soon have mcmahon transferred. He'll no longer be able to stick his nose and fast business. 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Faster faster learn more at chase dot com slash g._s. chase make more. What's yours all home. Lending products are subject to credit and property approval rates program terms and conditions are subject to change without notice. Not all products are available in all states or for all amounts other restrictions and limitations apply home lending products offered by j. p. morgan chase bank thank n._a. An equal housing lender uh from wondering i'm lindsey graham and this is american scam as the twentieth century drew to a close enron was arguably the number one company in america the c._e._o. Ken lay c. o. jeff skilling and c._f._o. Andy fast out steered enron into new businesses and greater profits than ever before but it was all an illusion those at the top of enron manipulated quarterly statements and employed any loophole could find in order to deceive shareholders and stock analysts sts and throughout the nineteen nineties these schemes succeeded brilliantly but in two thousand cracks began to appear in the company's carefully constructed facade enron's leaders rushed to capitalize on energy deregulation and california they propped up company balance sheets by increasingly fraudulent means and in the process they made some mistakes mistakes that would cost them in imperceptible ways until it was too late. This is episode to the black box in may of two thousand. Tim belden head of enron's western electricity. Trading desk is having a ball. It's been a year since he. I figured out how he could trick the california energy market into over paying for electricity and do it legally but belden isn't some kind of criminal law. Oh wife he has a masters in public policy and spent five years as a researcher at lawrence berkeley national laboratory most importantly he has what enron executives liked to call intellectual purity meaning he answers to know god but the free market and will exploit institutional inefficiencies for cash belden leans gazza's gets his desk tossing a nerf football in the air he looks at his troops of about ten or so traders all of them intellectually pure just like him. It's time to take stock of the latest strategies to gain the california energy market and make millions in the process. There's the classic submit a scheduled to reflect a man that doesn't exist to drive up costs call that one fat boy then there's the old file transmission schedules then get paid to relieve the system of congestion. That little maneuver goes by the name death star. Ooh mellon asks if there are any new ideas. One trader suggests enron could sell power. It doesn't actually have for use as reserves. Enron will probably never be asked to supply the power anyway or could buy back later at a lower price. Belden loves it now. Call this latest scheme. Get shorty coming up with these fun. Codenames is his favourite part but one of the trader says he's concerned about something he knows that what they're doing is legal just maximizing the loopholes and california energy law but even so isn't this all ethically questionable belvin laughs who let this buzzkill in the building. He explains at enron isn't in the business of doing what's what's best for the state of california. It's in the business of doing what's best for enron. If you build a house with no doors and fill it with valuables don't be surprised if it gets robbed mm-hmm belt and asks for more ideas and several traders start talking at once. It's music belgians ears and he doesn't feel an ounce of guilt. His team puts the hours into studying cutting all this complex and convoluted policy. They've done their homework and now they will reap the rewards. Rebecca mark sits in the boardroom at enron in houston staring at a bunch of middle aged suits with frowns on their faces. She knows what they want. They want her to throw in the towel. Admits mitch she was wrong and walk away. She drums her fingers on the table organizing her thoughts. She's never given up before and she's not about to start today. The most important everything is to stay calm. If she gets rattled she's done. She knows that and sodas jeff skilling and that's why skilling doing his very best to rattle her. Uh jeff skilling looks at each of the board. Members intern and digs in provecho's said we should get into the water. Business said she could run it. We'd make billions. I told you you all. I didn't buy it. Would you side with her anyway. I accept that even freed up some enron cash to get the new business on its feet. Well we all know what happened. Next as eric's makes her brilliant plan to conquer the water industry drowned rebecca. Mark can't contain herself jeff. That's not fair you know who started with two hundred thirty two million dollars in operating profit. Now you're down to less than one hundred as their stock is trading at three dollars and fifty cents a share. We've we've made some missteps but were correcting them. Restructuring moving into internet as rex is something completely new and we're building something unprecedented. They're going to be some bounce along the way pumps. Your outfit is two billion in debt. One more bump like that and enron is over. Why won't let it happen gentlemen. It is time to shut this thing down. Let me figure out how we're going to say this company. This company that rebecca mark through her negligent and stupidity is doing her very best to destroy. It takes a moment for mark to process jeff. Just said she knew skilling was going to hold a gun to her head today but she didn't know he'd pull the trigger. Mark looks at the other board board members. They avoid eye contact. Even ken lay the past. She could always count on him now. For the first time she sees a look of genuine anger on his face anger directed at her. She's committed the one unpardonable sin lost money for the company. Mark swallows hard and response in the strongest voice voice she can muster. I don't agree with just analysis. I believe that as rick's will pay off in the long run and if you give me the opportunity. I'll show you skilling. He says nothing in reply he doesn't have to it's lay who in quiet voice response rebecca. It's over with those three words rebecca. Mark told that after fourteen years of service she's finished at enron. She collects her papers and stands unlike for another meeting. I regret what happened with as rex true but once you all to know that it would have worked just needed time. Rebecca mark always knew jeff skilling wanted enron all to himself and now he's got it with her out of the way he will no doubt be named c._e._o. We all within a year or two. We'll good for him. She thinks hope it works out as she exits the boardroom. Rebecca mark coulter had high. She played well but she lost still no shame in that in october of two thousand richard richard sanders head of litigation for enron north america trips over a remote control car benz down to peel away twix rapper stuck to his shoe like he's heading ended the bedroom of his nine year old son but no he's in enron's western energy trading office with several of his attorneys time for him and his colleagues to have a chat with tim. Jim belton all ten t._v. Screens around the office are tuned to the same news report. No one can quite figure out how the fifth largest economy on earth wound up with a power shortage california is in the grips of a full blown energy crisis with rolling blackouts plunging homes schools and hospitals into darkness sanders looks around stunned. The traders are laughing. The most well educated and well compensated young men in america and they're wreaking havoc havoc with the state's government for their own amusement while they're not doing purely for laughs. They're also making an obscene amount of money for enron the head honchos and houston clearly aren't complaining but they've sent sanders to talk to belen. I just want to make sure that he's not doing anything. That can't be explained down the road. If necessary sanders approaches belden casually leany back in his chair feet on his desk immersed in the graph scrolling on his computer screen upon seeing sanders belen smiles wide right and cheerfully shakes hands with them and the other lawyers sanders asks if they all might speak privately in the nearest conference room and once seated sanders doesn't waste time he needs to. I know exactly what belden is doing. He cautions him that he is not belgians lawyer so if he says anything incriminating sanders could use it against him to protect enron's interests but if that worries belden at all he doesn't show it in the slightest he bounds over to a whiteboard and starts drawing. There's the ricochet project which experts power from in california than imports at back at higher prices of course it ought not to be mixed up with death star fatboy. Were get shorty. These are all little games. May hey to exploit california energy lawn to enron's advantage. He explains but don't worry yes. These strategies are so complex that they'll fly over the heads of lehman and fortunately for enron all california energy regulators appear to be lehman. He finishes by placing the cap back on his diaries marker. You will now take questions. Sanders begins to speak and stops. He is utterly almost cartoonish -ly dumbfounded the only response he can manage is a simple question. Is it too late to change the nicknames. Something more innocent like puppy dog or mama's cooking belden giggles but to sanders. It's clear that thanks to tim. Belden and ron is definitely going to get sued. It's raining in houston. When sanders sanders returns to his office the weather fizzes mood. His team looks just as concerned does he feels california's. Energy crisis is about to become a major p._r. Crisis his friend ron sanders can't get out ahead of this thing and along with belden. They've got andy fastow to worry about l._j._m. All the rest of fastow special purpose entities uh-huh created a minimize the appearance of losses but they're on the very margins of what the law tolerate. It's not time to panic yet but everyone must be on alert if enron lands on the front pages at the wrong time the company's reputation will be on the line as never before american scandal is sponsored by policy. Genius september is national life insurance awareness month. Most people aren't aware of that. In fact most people aren't that aware of life insurance at all and that's why forty percent of americans don't have it but getting life insurance doesn't need to be difficult or expensive because is right now. Prices are the lowest they've been in twenty years and policy genius has made it easier than ever to get covered policy. Genius is the easy way to shop for life insurance online in just two minutes. 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He's still still deciding about that when the phone is desk rings probably unimportant but he rushes back anyway when he sees a two eight one area code he knows it's his bosses in houston houston. This could be bad. He might have pushed death star one too many times. His head is spinning. He picks up the phone with some reluctance. As if it's a snake on the other end of the line the enron executive talks and tim belden lists when he hangs up the phone just stands there in shock the peers that's in california legislators are looking into their energy crisis and are beginning to point the finger at enron california. Citizens are a bit more enraged over the blackouts. The executives -secutive anticipated but tim belden doesn't need to worry about any of that because he's getting promoted. Now won't just run enron's western energy trading he'll. It'll be the new managing director of all energy trading nationwide. His hustling on the california grid has netted enron two hundred fifty four million dollars and that's it just for the month of january. Belden is so filled with joy. He's almost teary eyed. Then he sits down throws on his headphones cranks up the volume. He gets back back to work back in houston. Ken lay looks at the sea of enron employees gathered to hear him speak. There's hundreds of them on the trading floor. Knee appreciates each and every one enron is a truly magnificent company and he takes a brief moment to reflect on all he's accomplished. He realizes that the day will come when he'll miss moments like this even though he hates public speaking lay steps the microphone and begins first of all lay says they should know that the administrators in california are way off base blaming enron for its problems there have been a lot of finger pointing the press lately and lay finds it all very unfair where people at enron have too much integrity to try and quote game a whole states energy system then he tells those gathered that lay can explain what's really going on here so california didn't deregulate properly the handle deregulation piecemeal. They didn't commit california's refusal to embrace a truly free market has led to its present embarrassment skilling warn them lay himself on them deregulate fully or not at all. If you don't you shouldn't be surprised when you run into problems and that's the end of it. Enron has done nothing wrong and no one need be concerned about statements from california's attorney general calling for lay to be jailed he chuckles. It's a bit remembering a great joke that skilling made the other day you know what the differences between the state of california and the titanic at least the lights were on the titanic went down and as les leaves the podium he thinks about the future late last year he made a decision in two thousand one he would step down and skilling would replace s._e._o. Of enron as of today the transition is due to take place in about three weeks and ron has had an incredible sixteen year run under skilling lays confident that the next sixteen and beyond will be even better in march two thousand one in the enron office lobby. Jeff skilling hits the button and waits for the elevator to arrive. He stares at the arrows. One goes up one goes down. Life is a lot like that occurs. I to him only in life. You don't always know which button you've pushed out of the corner is ii skilling spots and approaching enron employees guys prompting accountant or something one look at skilling's face and he backs off this is not take the elevator with the boston grabbed the next one the account the cells king right you will aw skilling thanks hanters the elevator alone and begins to ascend skilling things back to twenty four years ago. He was twenty three years old trying. Wanna get into harvard business school. His grades weren't quite good enough though and the deans on the fence they meet at the houston high for a final interview white-haired dean peered at the a young m._b._a. Candidate and asked a simple question skilling. You smart skilling looks him straightened is with no hesitation. I'm king smart. He replies applies but recalling that now skilling's fist clinches yourself king smart he thinks with a can you figure this out. The elevator doors open skilling marches down the hall with a scowl. He sees the people at their desks in their offices looking busy on the phone typing away but they're useless useless every last one of them. None of these people can tell him why enron stock price is falling. It was at eighty at the top of the quarter today. It's at fifty five live. Enron stock price does not drop but now all of a sudden was skilling at the helm. It's plummeting and the media's beginning to take note skilling. Secretary secretary says he's right on time. She has the reporter for fortune on the line. <hes> skewing winces he forgot he agreed to this. He doesn't like reporters. Especially since the wall all street journal published at hit piece a week or two ago volatility in the natural gas and electricity markets will hurt ron's investors down the road. It claimed everyone should should be wary of enron's mark to market accounting strategy. The company isn't financially transparent enough wining totally uncalled for skilling thinks he he should sue skilling slams the office door behind him sits at his desk and takes call reporter identified herself as bethany mclean with fortune magazine zien. There's something in her. Tone skilling dislikes already. She sounds like a new york. Note all twenty something taking shots at someone who actually matters one one by one. She asks her questions. How exactly does enron make its money. Mr stealing your financial documents unusually difficult to comprehend mr skilling some call enron and blackbox as in. It's impossible to understand from the outside what's happening inside. Mr skilling skewing looks out the window. You wants to just go home. I have to go to a meeting. He says she starts talking again but skilling cuts her off now you really don't get anyone who's successful people want to take down based on ignorance and he slams the phone down interview over skewing takes a deep breath actually felt good hang up on her. You smiles for the first time all day. He is still jeff king smart skilling and he is still in control but his smile fades for the first time in a longtime enron might be in trouble if feels like the doctor grimly examining your x ray then calmly asking have seat feels like an end bethany mclean thirty one is in a conference room at fortune in new york reviewing her questions moves down the type page lightly taps each bullet point with her pen. The men from enron will be here soon. She waits for them alongside fortune editors jonas sarah and jim in poco the room. They sit in dark windowless. It's usually just a place to review photos but it was the only space available deadlines nearing. It is what it is but it sends the wrong message mclean thanks. This is not an inquisition. She's not trying to bring enron down. She genuinely wants them only to help clear up a few things things that once explained she knows we'll help wall street in the business community breath easier. She would've explained that to skilling and he gives her the chance but instead he hung up on her and within hours of that panic enron p._r. Person call to apologize. Mr skilling regrets his earlier behavior man said it had been a tough day skilling ascending any executives from houston to new york immediately to meet with mclean personally clear up any concerns about enron. She may have the enron representatives. Arrive is promised they file into the dark conference room at ten a._m. On the dot all smiles and handshakes ahead of corporate communication mark palmer head of investor relations mark haynick in the famed aimed financial prodigy himself enron c._f._o. Andy fastow fascinating is back in his chair and lifts his hands outward an. I'm an open book gesture as he begins. Let me just start by saying that enron is diverse dynamic provides customers with optionality. The way to understand enron is the think of toyota mclean claim joss down toyota with two question marks. What does this guy talking about. She also can't help but notice that fast out just went out of his way to ignore her presence. He directed his opening entirely to her two older male editors interesting. She responds if i may mr fast and i'd like to begin by asking you the same question. I posted mr skilling. How exactly does enron make its money. Mclean wonders if she's the only one who catches the momentary look of loathing passover fastow's face with a tight smile fastow looks back at her male editors and says we're a logistics company with a number of interlocking businesses that span the globe the full nature of which are simply beyond the scope one. I might explain in single meeting here but you can ask the analysts thirteen out of eighteen rate enron ron stock a by. I think that right there speaks for itself. Fast now takes a sip water then continues much like toyota we just negotiate our suppliers arrive at costs and well. You're smart. You can see what i'm getting at. Mclean feels like alice at the tea party. She looks at the enron exec flank fast they nod emphatically. She looks at her editors in poco sarah who looked the wilder so good. It's not just her fast is not making any sense. You're so she tries another question. Maybe you could offer some details and just basic layman's terms as to how enron so reliably generates profits on a quarterly early basis fastow raises a quizzical eyebrow than answers well. Unfortunately we do need to keep certain specifics confidential for competitive reasons but at what what i'm getting at here is that in terms of enron success where exactly like toyota detroit used to own every aspect of automobile manufacturing then toyota came along he said well. We'll hey we just wanna build the best cars you know so <hes> toyota outsource the various components that make up a car transmissions radios everything else they they went to whatever manufacturer's sold the best at the best price and well. We're just like at enron. We find the best. What is with this guy and toyota mclean claimed thanks toyota and enron are not remotely the same a high school economics student would be able to tell you that the claimed frowns fastow opens his mouth to speak again but fortune editor. Jim poco has run out of patience. Mr. fastow. I'm sorry you've got to drop a toyota. Analogy doesn't make sense tells me you don't. I understand your own company. I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're trying to say about enron tense moment follows in fast bursts out laughing laughter that mcclain would describe grabbers nervous. She decides that playtime is over. I read about the related party transactions involving l. j. m. What can you tell me about l. J. m. mr fastow down. The smile is wiped off his face. The other exact shift in their seats editors leaned forward in unison for a moment. The room is so silent. You can hear the vacuum running faintly down the hall fastow picks a piece of lint off his sleeve and tosses on the floor jaw tight he responds. All i can tell you is that our senior executives run that fund. Anything further is confidential. I see well. I think that about does it right. Yes gentlemen we the few other appointments who tend here in the city trusted. If there are any further questions he won't hesitate to reach out to my secretary. Fast down the others from enron stan and straighten pursue jackets one opens the door and they begin to file out the clean and the editors say goodbye then fastow stops in the doorway and for the first time looks directly elite mclean says look. I don't really care what you say about the company. Just don't make me look at and he's gone. Mclean looks at her editors. Camila needs to say it out loud. The situation at enron is clearly worse than they could've imagined. They're gonna run mclain story immediately weeks later back in houston andy fast out angrily shouts pay for it from his desk into his office. Shredder truth be told. He doesn't even know what he's shredding but it seems smart to shred it. All fortune magazine really screwed things up. He tried to be nice tried to explain and they repaid his is kindness with an article by bethany mclean called is enron overpriced now everyone's up his ass the pointing the finger at him when they brought him in and they made it clear that enron had display constant quarterly growth. We need you to make that happen. Andy said he understood and he worked hard worked. His way up came up with ideas. They couldn't cover them when they couldn't cover themselves. Andy fast output enron. I he was good employees. No one's gonna make him feel ashamed of that. No one especially not the three men currently standing in his office doorway. There's chief accounting officer rick causey fastow's house right hand at the company michael copper and lawyer jordan mintz men's that leads the charge tells fast out that the stock prices at fifty dollars and reporters are snooping around the other day frontline essentially accused the company of pillaging california and laughing all the way to the bank while the state suffered the men are here to confirm fast has given up all personal stake in eljay fast. Our explodes skilling told him two weeks ago so of course he did did. What's the problem copper. His right hand is apologetic accounts in writing. They need fast down to sign a letter from arthur andersen declaring that he's given up all all interests in l. j. m. if signs the letter. They'll get out of his office and never bother him about it again. Fast has some choice four letter words for the bean counters at arthur granderson shares them at the top of his voice then he tells copper to give him a goddamn pen so he could sign when it's done fast outfits. He looks three colleagues and says look. I'm sorry it's just that i created algae and it means a lot to mean zoologist pretty emotional. I think you can understand the three men sure sure they get it and everything's fine and quietly they leave his office working at enron with a lot more fun in the nineties fast out things the nineties are over and now it seems that a new era has begun andy fast out gets back to shredding time to prepare for war. Sherron watkins returns to enron's offices following her lunch break. There's a noticeable lack of spring in her step. It's not the things going poorly exactly. She just feels like occur. Strengths could be better utilized elsewhere who was recently transferred to enron broadband tasked with implementing cost controls. The feels like she's running. A daycare employs a broadband or mostly bunch of spoiled brats what she tries to do her job that yell at her not her fault that they lose more and more money every month because they're deals don't account. Maybe it wasn't so smart partner up with blockbuster video. Then jim fallon took over walking known him for years and never liked him. She tried to make make suggestions informing him. How broadband might be saved. His response was to suggest she look to transfer to a different department in the company. Walking's is all too happy to do that but where wear this is the question she's mulling over by the elevators when she feels a tap on her shoulder. Walking turns around and sees a man. She hasn't spoken to in a very long time sandy fast down. He's charm owed. It wasn't so long ago that he was berating her joking about enron's accounting practices but everything changed when she transferred from his division division and made v._p. After that fast viewed her more as an equal now he says it's nice to see her and asks what she's up to these days. Walk ins relates the whole sorry sorry tale of her adventures and broadband and he listens respectfully and shakes his head at the stupidity fallon then fast eyes light up since she's looking for a new place to land land why not join his team will be just like old times that night. Walk ins calls her old friend jeff. Mcmahon mcmahon is easy to talk to with gift. Walk ins lax for seeing all the angles. She was distressed to hear rumors that he'd come out on the losing side of a power struggle with fast fastow though it seems like things wound up okay for him. His current title is c._e._o. Of enron industrial markets walk ins tells mcmahon about fastow's offer it is enticing watkins would evaluate potential deals and bring the strongest wants to his attention and fast out has told her that if she finds a good deal on her own she can put her name on ensuring that she'll get all the credit should the deal proved lucrative mcmahon listens patiently and says it's entirely her decision but he wouldn't recommend working with fastow asto watkins asks. He's just saying that because he has a personal problem with fast down. Mcmahon assures her he doesn't. He just thinks it's a bad idea. Walking's thanks for the advice. She says she'll continue to mull it. Over on march twenty second two thousand one and jeff skilling looks at the conference table the chairs the faces surrounding him he wonders if the decor and here was always so dreary everything appears to be a different shade of grey rain could have sworn it used to look warmer and hear more inviting perhaps did in the better days the days when the stock price soared inched everyday towards one hundred bucks a share. They're not stuck at sixty. At least that's an improvement from last week. When it was fifty five skilling won't admit defeat yet he sips his diet coke and starts art bobbing his head like a fighter approaching. The ring getting himself pumped up he nods at his assistant to get the conference call rolling most of the board members around around him at the conference table. Once couldn't appear in person have dialed in including ken lay now serves as enron's chairman. There are also a number stock analysts and shareholders is on the line with a broad smile. Skilling looks down on the polycom speakerphone in front of him and gets to it well we did it. We beat our first quarter. Earnings estimates by two cents a share an outstanding quarter another outstanding quarter. We're very optimistic about each of our businesses and confident that our record growth is sustainable for for many years to come any any questions richard from here with highfields capital <hes> straight about your earnings and all jeff but the investors i represent read the wall street journal and they read fortune fortune so we want to see a balance sheet for your company and we're tired of waiting for scheduling feels like a bucket of ice water was just pour overs head. We do not have the balance. He completed needed. We will have that done shortly when we filed a quarterly report but until we put all of that together we just cannot give that to you. Skewing things that should satisfy him when he shocked in grubbing dares to speak again contract to understand why mine would be an unreasonable request. I'm not saying we can't tell you what the balances are. We clearly have all of those positions on a daily daily basis but at this point we will wait to disclose those until all the right accounting is put together and you're the only financial institution that cannot produce a balanced gene or the cash flow statement with earnings skilling sees at the board members look nervous. This is bad. He's losing the room. He talks his collar tries to affect and affable tone and says well. Thank you very much. We appreciate you appreciate it. Asshole skilling. Here's the gasps and sees the drop jaws but he smirks yeah so what that prick took a swing at him so skilling swung back called balls. You're lucky the c._e._o. Has a pair a young associates. Scurries over with a note on is written one word apologize skewing takes the note wade's cutaway shoves it under some papers that sensation of being thousand ice water returns call ends skilling watches the exiting board members and realizes he hates them. All he hits this job. He hates this company. You must fall is beginning to hate himself. Ken lay sits in the office of the chairman. He comes and goes says he pleases. These days thought like when he was c._e._o. And practically lived in this building looks out his window at the setting sun and reassures himself that he made the right decision he does not think of himself as a man capable of making mistakes not when it comes through the important things to spend a few days since he heard that jeff skilling called the hedge fund manager and asshole on the conference install such a lapse in judgment would be unforgivable in the lesser man but lay trust scheduling c._e._o. Is a high stress job. Lay can't expect everyone to handle the pressure as well as heated and this morning skilling call and asked if he could meet today lay of course said yes he certain his c._e._o. Just needs a little friendly council a bit of advice. Maybe he wants to personally policies which is good because lay is in a forgiving mood. He's ready to share his wisdom. Yes enron is in a bit of a storm right now but he certain scaling will do what needs to be done to turn things around. Their meaning was supposed to begin at five but it's five three. It's not like stealing to be late then five zero seven the c._e._o. Of enron stumbles in shirt untucked unshaven face hair skew her bags under his red eyes. He throws himself into the chair opposite lays desk and just sits there. They feel something he hasn't felt since he was a small child fear. This can't be the create jeff skilling. He thinks this can't be the man that i've entrusted with my company. My legacy what lay is looking at is a drowning man. Skilling's voice quivers all spills out of everyone warned him not to go to california but he wasn't going to hide he was going to stand up for the company. People in california california wanna get mad about their traffic lights not working. They should talk to their elected. Officials enron didn't create their problems but once in san francisco he couldn't believe what awaited him hundreds of protesters some of them wearing masks of his face jeff skilling stop the killing chanted fears he would be assassinated prompted san francisco police to install metal detectors at the doors at the commonwealth club where he was scheduled to speak he was just there to defend enron to show the people he did nothing wrong and he was midway through a powerpoint presentation. When there was a commotion before he could react something clipped the side of his head. He became aware of security dragging a woman coming toward the exits. He touched his ear and pulled away white chocolate. The woman had heaved a pie face. Skilling pauses staring off into the distance. I wanna resign. He says he's taking the declining stock price personally. You hasn't been spending enough time with his kids. He feel you'll sick all the time. He can't sleep lay feels many things at once disappointment disgust confusion anger but also concern. He asks killing if there's any other reason that skilling doesn't want to be c._e._o. Anymore skilling jason's head. There's nothing else going on and he stands runs. This is han through damp hair and offers a limp handshake. He turns without another word leaves the office. I wonder what the hell just happened and what the hell ellwood they gonna do next. Lay took it well-selling thanks but it doesn't really matter though he feels like he's being being pulled apart the company he just abandoned his in a noose and tightening all worked fine as long as wall street didn't look too closely at the numbers they haven't found anything yet but they will then they'll understand that when it comes to enron there are facts and then there is fiction when the investors find out that for over a decade they mr one for the other. It's gonna get ugly but skilling was able to cash in a few hundred million dollars worth of enron stock before he tendered his resignation may not have much but but at least he has that he is still rich. Sherron watkins is in her new office at fastow's floor staring down at the accounting documents in front of her. She feels like throwing up. She's just met any fastow's raptors off book entities created protect enron against losses from underperforming assets. Walk ins knows that what she's looking at can't be explained and it can't be justified. She is just uncovered the truth about fast now and it's this andy fastow is a criminal and he will get caught in when he does. He will fall hard in the process. Take enron down with you've next on american scandal. Sharon walk ins attempts to blow the whistle. Ken lay comes under fire fire as enron goes from being the most celebrated company in american to the most aided from wondering this is american scandal. I hope you enjoyed this episode. If if you did subscribe now on apple podcast spotify google podcast wondering dot com wherever you're listening to this right now if you're listening on smartphone tap or swipe over the cover onto this this podcast who find the episode notes whose details humaneness you'll also find some office from our sponsors by supporting them. You help us offer this show to you for free. We'd also like like to learn a little bit about you. 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I have to put it in post. But i'll play the live version because i like the i will remember you live version because you get the i will remember you. And then everyone cheers. Wait i love the opening. Listen this is like on economy. A that's always made me laugh. Ever since i was a teenager. Well it's funny because people are like it's very much like that's the part i know. Okay i'm gonna play that. And i'm going to start from the bottom every potter and the sorcerer's stone her miami grainger harry potter and the chamber of secrets grainger every potter and the prisoner of azkaban. Harmony grainger harry potter and the goblet of fire for my grainger. The children's party at the palace. Tv special emma watson harry potter and the order of the phoenix reminding grainger ballet shoes tv movie. Pauline fossil the tale of desperado princess. 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I'm listening to friday's episode about favorite food. And i had to call in. Because i was like. What are we talking about. Harry's favorite bar but i realize the nine bars they're famous canadian desert especially on the west coast. It's like a three layer far cookie. They are a cracker crumb and chocolate custard flavored icing. And then there's the chocolate coating on trump. When i moved to the states a few years ago i was super nervous about crossing customs and immigration But the guy customs said that what he actually wanted from me beyond all the immigration forum. Some paperwork we're in the nadal bars to bribe my way into the country I highly recommend checking the champ. But yeah it's not bad so it's the nine is the name only say correctly. Now nanaimo god there's no big there's nothing like finding out how many canadian people listen to this. Podcast like mispronouncing the name of a beloved candy bar. You know what i mean. Do it on purpose. But we did do that. Because thousands of calls just kidding tens of millions of calls came in screaming. How dare you mispronounce our favorite bar. But i did like the ones like that one that were like. Here's what the bar is. And now i'm desperate detriot. I don't know why. I didn't notice this but i was looking through the new york times cooking website because i love their savings have a recipe and it was already in my recipe. Box was saved to my research. Stop very mouth-watering. So i was like ooh look at this photo. Look how good this cross section is and it says that an. I'm bars tremendously sweet. Layered bar from. Canada made from almost exclusively packaged ingredients. Which means it's really easy to make. It only takes thirty minutes to put together. No i'm fucking down. I'm so down. I love it. I can't wait next time. I'm in canada. I'm not making it but next time in canada. That's mom buying high who weekly. i called earlier about Whether seamless fit the second knew what a chicken tender was and i mentioned that I was comparing it against my grandmother. Who is an old stuffy. British woman so It was her ninetieth. Zoom birthday party today so i asked her if she knew the chicken tender was and response was. It's a part of a chicken breast and she says that she had never eaten one but that she had but she knew of them because she had read about them. which helped my thesis that My grandmother and people queen elizabeth. The second don't know about foods that you do not eat with a knife and fork. Yeah cuisine well like if you're stuffy british grim there hasn't like queen elizabeth certainly. Hasn't i thought she was going to say my grandmother had eaten it like. And so that case. But like this was kind of shocking. Twist my stuffy. Grandmother is very condescending. When you bring up a chicken tender someone else called and said sometimes chicken tenders are called a chicken gudgeon which is very fancy way of saying a breaded or fried piece of meat. Gazon in bobby. Some talk of here longtime long time. I'm sure you've gotten a lot of phone calls about this The queen would not know what a chicken tender is. they don't call them in england or in k. to call them Chicken gent's over here so she made eating them. Maybe and her grandchildren made them but none of them would know the phrase chicken tender party anyone in the uk if you walked around the streets of the uk and ask people were chickens injuries. I doubt any van will know what it is. That's not phrase here unless you bumped into someone like me i in american over here You'd be luck. I come to punch you found research that they were traditionally catfish. Yes but it can be any small strip of fish or meat. But i would argue. The queen will definitely eat. Something called chicken google but chicken tenders chicken fingers no absolutely nothing so the most southern thing about me is how much i love catfish. Oh lindsay bobby. I'm listening to you this past week. Is there episode when you're talking about the people magazine crossword puzzles and recently. I these People magazine's have come into possession. Bmi my mom co worker. Who is she doesn't know she's getting these magazines. And in the issue dated separate fifteen twenty twenty one There's a thinker. So you say that. Hard if i told you this clue thirty four down sunny woman betty and singer berry you thinking why obviously A little bit of a thinker. It is white plural within a It give me some trouble. I'm just thinking. And i'm wrong. But i wasn't so are they. Are they always easiest. I don't know all right. Crunch crunch babe i love you. But that's just like a crossword puzzle rule if there's things there's going to be an s at the end you know because it's like betty white and barry white. That's just what crossword puzzles do. Darling you're kind of proving. Our point is very easy. Actually someone else called young to play but sometimes called and said that they've been noticing in the harder crosswords in the in the greater. The post people puzzles the up from people puzzle ours in difficulty that aura as in rita ora is being replaced often. By ana as an honor. Dharma's oh you need the vowel heavy three letter word. That's what i'm saying. Useful aura has been a great kind of rando because of the owen the a and now we have ana because they're not the same letter so it's not replacing but they're seeing more ana and less aura. Mike okay wow culture. that's fun. I don't do crosswords. I thought i would get into crosswords a couple of years ago. And i was like i could do monday and maybe tuesday but like the moment. I got two wednesday i was like. I'm not good at this. And i just like unsubscribe will have friends who are amazing at them and do them in like under ten. Just like just are amazing. And i got wanted to be one of those people so i new york times crossword subscription and. I was trying to do them every day. But now you're supposed to like get better. I did them for like a full year. And i was not getting better. I wasn't getting better. I was not getting better. Who weekly I had to call back to add some additional information into the story. I called before. About ashley judd. So i'm just calling to talk about. Why ashley judd might feel so passionately about noboa's in fact. I'm pretty sure this is why i'm ashley. Judd went to the harvard school of government. She graduated your before ni. I went to law school and There's a professor at the law. School her name is diane rosenfeld and she leading scholar on title nine domestic violence sexual assault and She's in hunting ground and a lot of other movies like that. And very well known on the issue Issues so professor rosenfeld is really really does and the reason why is because But those are one of the only species where if emailed the novo sexually aggressive upon a funeral but novo the female novo lashley band together and ostracized albano go from Their groups so pressing rosenfeld sorta uses this ethnic sample to why Or how women should act. When there is a sexual harasser sexual aggressor space. So i know that actually took the class. She cross registered and professor rosenfeld likes to say that astra god got an e in the class and always talks about that anyway. This the super nerdy and super boring I just thought it was interesting and thought you might to Crunch kind of me pop by a professor out here. Being like ashley judd. Got an a plus this class. She knows about more than the concept of double jeopardy okay and that. I talked her too. Hey bobby lindsey in the last colin show you kept talking about this woman named barbara mandrell and talking about your friend's car. You and i thought sometime after you repeat it you say the actress here you know that old so and so And you never did so. I was blessed with the question. Who is barbara mandrell. Thank you cargo. Yummy by who is barbara. Mandrell i know do you know. Of course you know. Yeah she's a country from the seventies She's technically country. But there's something very captain in lee about her to only like without the captain. Do you know what her first number one hit was. Was it probably woman single sleep in a double bed sleeping single in a double bill. That's single journey. Single in a double justice. A song called. If loving you is wrong. i don't wanna be right. Which is like kind of a classic. Yeah she went to those women country singers who like does a lot of talking like a lot of his arms like talking to other women. It's wrong now. I don't know how you're gonna take this. You might even hang up the phone but you see. It really doesn't make any difference. And it's only fair that i let you know that that man that you've been saying he's mine and i love him so woman woman i think you understand the snl sketches with jennifer aniston. They're doing the countrywoman. It's like barbara. Mandrell is one of the women that there parodying. It's like it's like cuter than a fine country. Baby yeah slower. Yeah that's kind. Of what amy poehler is doing is barbara mandrell. Ya dana gene harley tony to take out trash. Assure sale didn't mean you any then get out of my kitchen before he wake up. My kids hurling oliver peaches off the hardwood floor and dana gene harley. Told you get your hands off top of you pants. Bodley hams mildly run. An angry woman. Honey So i agree that elizabeth olsen has really tried to hide the fact that she's an olson's family member but i do remember when martha marcy may marlene came out. She got like introducing elizabeth on the cover. And i just started me as like so wrong. Because i remember when i was six i was actually taught about introducing credits because elizabeth olsen was in american nationally video the adventures american nationally vacation thorn mansion And she gets an introducing credit The olsen twins brought about her. I think you can find the song. Be ut out on youtube And you can sort of see. The introducing credit on of easter really weird. Like someone's just hand recorded like footage of the s. state playing Introducing the old fan. So yeah Not her real introduction in my opinion but thanks bye. Fear much meaner to their brothers which i forgot. I guess they have two brothers to trent. And jake which i was like. Oh my god. They have other siblings and they had the iconic brother for sale. Which was my favorite song. Because i had a brother. So i loved brother for sale but apparently they also they also dished it to their sister to t t t turn your tan. T t turn your tiny frame around. Is that what they say be. Ut out be ut out turn your tiny frame around you better you better you better. You better be utd out. I gotta say no disrespect to the olsen twins. I think they would also agree with this. That's not wrapping. that's just talking. That's talking hosted by writer. Comedian bruce in front of the pod. Morass smith spectacle an unscripted history of reality. Tv is a new documentary podcast series from neon home media season. One covers reality. Tv in a way that has never been done. Before from the bachelor's problematic take on gender to the real world's casting for conflict spectacle unpacked. The wild hyper real history of unscripted television. One moment at a time they'll examine how the has changed over time and how the country has changed along with it. Subscribe to spectacle to get the unscripted history of reality. Tv on apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. High only by the ama-. I'm calling about the recent pat ticks of lucy hale and ski which seems to me like a true match made in heaven She's a little older than his most recent girlfriend which means better and she's still very young. But i i should like they could have a lot to talk about they. Both were on archie comics related shows. You're both in one of many different screams so it seems like they have some shared territory I don't know i have. I have my kind of good vibes about this relationship I also it got me thinking about how ski last riverdale last year. Because i think the reason was because he wanted to do other projects which was interesting to me. Because i don't really understand what else she has going on or whether he has more going on than the other adult parents stay on riverdale. I don't know maybe he and lucy hill drug heads. Dad and katy keene can start their own off the other also the way. They got rid of him on the show with deranged His youngest daughter daughter named jelly bean was basically sound out as someone. Like a t. Like it's like a preteen found out that she was creating like blackmail snuff films and terrorizing the whole town so his father logic was that he was gonna move back to ohio where she's from To be closer to her mother gina gershon classic Whose son like drug kingpin and also terrorized everyone so the show makes absolutely no sense and is like onyx but anyway Let's see how skied iraq new power couple. Anyway me inside. We got so many calls but this most of them sounded like this play. Another most of them just sounded like this firing bobby. I was on face today. And i saw that. No my boyfriend's calling me Decline sorry i saw a thing where we see. How scott kissing ski oil-rich What is that about crunch crunch declined by. She's like ignoring her own relationship to comment on this relationship. It's like these two are dating. What the fuck ignores boyfriend. First of all to the first call. I love to be reminded of the way that skied all rich. I mean quit in quotes. He was let quit. The record is that he quit. He was let quinn yes he quit but member. He quit because he quote. Go hold onto your butts. I got bored creatively. That is that's why he left somebody who that's what he liver doesn't say that i mean somebody who was actually quitting doesn't actually say that they say thank you for the amazing opportunity like i'm moving on but you don't say that unless you were fared you don't leave a huge television show. Because you've got bored. Creatively that you take them. Because they're boring creatively and they pay you a shitload of money. That's why you take these shows. You don't take them for creative relevant and also is somebody who recently has Watched riverdale sorry. I can't i mean have there. The other parents are still bopping around town there. Forget something out for the parents. Do kelly ripa's husband is still the big batty. He's still over that fucking show love him. Mark swallows yes. Sorry kelly ripa's husband is what i call him. Who's he's veronica's dad right young. He's the he's essentially like the big villain like he's like now he's trying to de corp the d. he's trying to disband riverdale town. That's like its newest thing you this always happens. Television shows disin- corporate detangle. I don't know the word like yeah. Does this happen often in real life. They're always like a television show. Trope is like breaking the town apart. Because he's like i'm gonna take riverdale apart and then they're all like no we're going to revive riverdell high school by like giving it a bunch of money and becoming teachers there and i'm like why why. Why did you know that's how the show little house on the prairie ends no like a little house on the prairie the yes he gets de will the town gets sold walnut grove and instead of having the new owners of the town like have their stuff. The town comes together and they blow up all the buildings in the town with dynamite. That's how little house on the prairie. And that's crazy. Dis- incorporate is the word it's disin- corporate which is weird. Because you'd think it'd be for related to two companies but it's like you can't disa- corporate a city or a town if you are like financially distressed and then you can maybe integrate with an with a different town like. There's like very it's complicated. It's not really important go ahead. Yours is funnier but the reason this is actually kind of conic. The reason that the show ended yeah with them blowing up the town like literally the buildings that were built for the show which is crazy because it was a set right so they blew up. There was a set literally. Blew it up and this was like one of many The things i know about like i will never watch one division but i will tell you about the ending a little house on the berry. Michael landon was like the rumor is he was like. I don't want to do any more of these reunion movies. Because this was a reunion movie. He had the idea allegedly for this subplot where they blow up the town because a developer buys it so that all of the sets will be destroyed. And he doesn't have to do a little house movie ever again. That isn't it so petting it. That's amazing sue. Do you think it's like he hated it and was like let's let's rightist we've to blow it up and i never. There's no way to know okay about the rumor. Okay but that is real. That's real the show ended and then like they kept coming back for tv. Movie reunion specials. And then he was. Apparently i'm sick of this. We're going to blow up the town. And they rate us apart with the town has to get blown out. Wow that is interesting. That's interesting amazing. That's iconic so. We haven't even talked about skating. Lucia they were seeing not just sitting. they were smooching. Yeah but it was a little confusing. Because first of all wasn't confirmed or anything out of the internet outcry was enough to get. That not confirmed forever. But whatever that's fine. Lucy hale would love another w so show so you. Wall skied has kicked off his cw. Show lucy is she would love another one so she's not going to really do anything or say anything bad but they were. They were photographed like having lunch together and smooching but it was unclear kind of like what the context was and yes it is sort of funny that they are both in the riverdale universally archie extended universe. What does it comics right. Because he's archie comics. Katie jug heads friend. Maybe who lives in new york a source says they were set up through mutual friends and we understand why they would have mutual friends because they've worked all these shows together and then it says on those shows i feel like the adults get close to the kids. The i mean the adult actors get close not kids. They're adults too. But you know what i mean like like how kelly ripa's husband is like close with like cole sprouse and the of riverdale and also lucy has talked about how she spent pandemic like happy about being single but then she joins dating sites so my i think they met on rye data not in the slightest booby interesting because it would be like. They matched on riot. But then how all these mutuals and then language let's just go out and do a smooch. Also the source says who again. I don't believe quote. They spent a lot of time at each other's homes. Just hanging out and being a low key. Okay thank me. That's whatever it's literally a pandemic that's what else is there to do. That's why i don't know what else there is to do. They're also they also were that in public so they did that too. they're boring. they're boring but people had a very intense reaction to it. I think because of all of the lore wrapped up in it and also. She's a little bit younger than him. So i think people were a little bit like. Can you know you know about that. And also his last girlfriend. That was a mess that whole situation. Megan gotta gauge the. Jj broke and she was a character. She's dated almost just like exclusively. Who's like who's that are kind of precisely her level like those town nonethless looking white men. Yeah the most anonymous non white men in the planet like she dated. She dated chris zilkha guy. Paris hilton was engaged to for a little bit. Dated over guy. Yes she dated. Disney people wizards of waverly place guy now. She loves that makes sense because she loves gaelic sues right she dates other. Who's which like with actually clocks with ski. She rarely dates up. I guess is what i'm saying. She dates across is what you're saying she gets across. The she. dates across. Rai is a great way to find someone to date across. This liberty should be able to filter levels. They should they should be dating up down or across and then you're like And this is only only applies to famous people not to like. Oh yeah you don't get you're not going to be always down. You just don't apply it's only for for listeners. If you are the famous person you should have the of dating up down or across. That's true or all or all. Offer that for the feature up down or across and we will get jobs that ryo rating people whether it's up down or across behind the scenes. Meanwhile siam all rich tends to date down which is interesting. Because i see how do you go farther down. He's already i mean are you got. I'm say i only bobby longtime long time So i just perfect. Twitter and trending topic is safari and our car feuding. I guess i tweet for america. That says he's the most selfish and inconsiderate person He says he's walking away from their marriage. Can you can you just a little context like i. Don't i feel like i. I never know whether it together. Or not and i like stressing me out. You don't care about them if you could just give a little bit of Insight into what's going on really appreciate it. Crunch crunch leeann cuisine. It's so nice to know that. Other people feel this way. Because i feel this way even though i feel like it's because my job like what we do here i'm like oh i just want to know if they're together or not together like it's really frustrating. That like i never seem to know whether they're together or not together. But it's it's funny that as a civilian aka new. Don't have i mean. I assume you don't do this for your job is not doing. This job is not doing this. You also are like i just. It's so so annoying. I just want to know. I got it i. I don't care. But i just have to know you know and this is there like this is their thing is why they're so good at being on reality. Yes yeah this is not like oh. They're breaking up its own. No they're going to get another season like this is what their job is. And they're extremely good at their jobs. The thing is one of my all time favorite seinfeld mines and swim or does it. Okay it's elaine is convincing her co worker her subordinate not to date george And so she's like you can't date him he's a bad seed he's terrible. He's the worst seat of all time. You can't you gotta stay away from them. And the and the woman goes and youtube or friends at she goes. Yeah we're good. Friends was a bad seed. He's a horrible seed. he's one of the worst seeds. i've ever seen any to her friends. Yeah we're good friends. But i do think that they have this kind of agreement to be like this. And that's the kind of leg dynamic of why they get along so well it's like it's like their partners and business and the business is like this so therefore like you know like you can't take personal when he's like i'm a bachelor now and everyone's like your bachelor and he's and then she's like no he's not like easily idiot. This is basically his most high profile relationship after nikki. Because he's with nikki for he was the who in that relationship. I mean that's his. You can't i mean he's famous because of nikki because of nicki menam viki as and she basically did him in your career until literally she'd be at that guy and she got back with that guy and they got married and had a baby like it is like that this was her entire relationship until Until that she also may be dated other people meek to she dated meek too but like this but she basically went from safari long long-term relationship to kind of this this other guy. What's his host his name. Petty kenneth petty petty kenneth yet right. She's miss betty. Mrs petty to you. Mrs petty so safari and erica had been on and hip hop for ever. I'm obsessed with this because safari and erica. This just happened with ray j a few weeks ago. I think we talked about it. Because this show that they're doing unlocked where it's like zoom conversations between love and hip hop cast members and the moderator. They're so casual. It's just like the dynamic of zoom makes people say things. I think they wouldn't normally say if they weren't just like comfortable on the couch with their laptop in front of them or whatever set up they have but this goes back to like in november in november as lindsay said he tweeted not even in december which is the funniest part about this tweet in the middle of november. He goes ending twenty twenty right as a bachelor. It wasn't like that was on december thirty first that was november and then he tweeted because people were like as a bachelor like. Are you breaking up with erica. 'cause they're married and he goes a man is nothing without his family. I'm not a bachelor. I love my wife. I would never disrespect about my child or my wife. Sorry for being childish and salute to all the real men out there. This is the type of that he does. Then they were on that fucking show on lock and they were talking about like oh. You're going to have more kids because they only have one kid together and he's like i don't want other kids anymore because she gained too much weight but tell him why. You don't want another one. 'cause i got two big during my pregnancy over as not rice apart thank you. She's making this up. Yeah you wanna now. Most dies given birth mentioned my stomach while i didn't say she got too big. I said you've got so big big. I don't wanna be fat again. That's the two said. Then what happened this time. He tweeted out of the blue. I mean this from the bottom of my heart getting married was one of my mistakes and it will never happen again. I'm walking away before. I listen jail over some dumb shit. Nobody is worth my freedom. And then eric started quote. Tweeting gone by the way they're gone from the internet. But of course screenshots exists and she goes since you always a social media like a little girl might as well join in. I absolutely agree with you on this year. The selfish vain inconsiderate considerate person. And not just me with your only daughter out of respect for my daughter and to honor my growth woman. I'm going to get back to doing what i do. Best making money and being only about my business entertaining. Social media with my issues isn't my thing. Don't let the scorpio's sting this is a game. This is what the job is. Funniest part about this thing. You haven't mentioned yet. The best explanation for this is from earlier this month. He tweeted another ridiculous thing. Which is new millennium is crazy. Now back in the day you had to close your eyes and imagine what a girl you like. Look like naked now. Almost every girl is naked. Just 'cause i gotta make sure my daughter is different. She needs me and everyone was like. Why are you saying this. Then eric amina posts photo right after that on her instagram. Like ineffable suit and then somewhat commented is this what safari met when he said every woman starts getting naked and he didn't child growing up like that and erica responded honestly. I don't even think he knew what he meant. Everything artemis like. You know we've got a. We've got a note that full of different types of lake controversial tweets and ideas and whatever to revolve from other people or tweet out just to 'cause like kind of a little buzz. Guess what they're good at their jobs. new who alert curious Ross matthew probably like gave them uncomfortable in engage someone named dr garcia. All we know dr via no first name. There is a picture of him that russia's dr garcia capture and you go to instagram source of patients way. He granted lawyer picture of the empire. State building up put in six days ago and that that So i thought might be a case of cracks. Who is dr garcia fiance across matthews tall contract by not to be whatever but clearly. This guy made an instagram account. So that ross could tag him when they announced that they were engaged like he didn't have an instagram before this. And what makes it kind of a little bit funny as it does. It could not look anymore scammy because it's like if you were trying to like buy something from somebody and they made their their their account today before you'd be like What's going on here like you might. Who host the funniest thing is like before people had his first name they were just calling him dr garcia. I'm engaged dr garcia. Just like okay. He found the normally of his dreams and he has a doctorate. That's sick a doctorate of education. I found out. He wrote his dissertation. On the intersection of afro latin next school leaders a qualitative inquiry books of couldn't find the actual dissertation itself. Went to hofstra. And you found his first name. Which is wallington wellington i think professionally as well in tone so i'm not sure. It's spelled like beef. Wellington sometimes and it's like well down. Sometimes so i'm not sure what he actually uses okay because his instagram has dr w garcia but another thing so like i was like okay so they met between mutual just like lucy hale and skied alert like either met on an app. They met between mutual friends. Because this is normal right. He's an army guy. They've been together for a year. I think they met right at the beginning of the pandemic or right before so i was looking through their mutual friends. Instagram photos like the kind of friends that one of them is like the drew. Barrymore's best friend. The ep on the drew barrymore show. That makes sense that makes sense. I found another photo of all of them. From december celebrating new year's eve and sag harbor and you'll see there he is on the staircase is that what's is facing or do you mean that guy. The guy in the glasses looks just like What's his face from the black keys. It s a vanessa. Carlton's husband no lindsey. that's drew barrymore stylist. I was announced. He looked like that. Guy okay so a little bit a little bit. Sorry but he's styles drew barrymore for her drew. Barrymore show. it's like okay so this guy. Lee harris I think this is drew. Barrymore guy he posted this photo. And all of the people on the staircase for tagged in cluding. Dr garcia what was he tagged as a different account penthouse law. Who was following. Ben house off. Dr w garcia. I think this is his actual instagram account. And it has four hundred and two thousand and one hundred and thirty four. We use lou you so i think the answer is like he literally created this account because he was like. I'm going to be in the tabloids now. I need something you know. Maybe he had a professional life and he wanted kind of like a private instagram. And he created called penn house loft which is as private as they get and then when he got engaged. She said russell's like i want to tag. You don't wanna tag penthouse law. So why don't you make one with your name on. it makes sense it's private. It's not like anyone can go. Look at this but like there. It is going to announce something like that. It's like you want to make sure your buttoned up. Although not button of enough bobby to find your holding know you requested. I requested it from high line overseas. New new girlfriend Living lavina laptop by gladys has a new girlfriend. She doesn't have a new girlfriend. This is interesting. Because like this is being covered everywhere. Because it's like lionel. Richie has a much younger girlfriend. Yeah she is much younger. And i saw this suddenly everywhere like every website was writing about the fact that lionel ritchie has a new younger girlfriend fans are shook. They cannot believe their age difference. I think it's a forty year age. Difference which i guess is notable. He's seventy one and she's thirty and just to put that in context. Sofia richie is twenty two. I gotta say like age differences. I think are tough because everyone you know everyone has their own kind of like thoughts about that. And that's okay but when the it always puts into context remain a weird way when the person has kids and the kids around the same age or young. That's always like 'cause that that's kind of an uncomfortable. Translation unreal life for just for an age difference. Otherwise it's hard to kind of put into context. Roy because you yourself imagining the family dynamic but it's like whatever not really my business but nicole. Richie is thirty nine okay. So this girl's almost ten years younger than his daughter. Yep we don't know what her ages he's actually quite private. It was like people think she was born nineteen eighty-nine they think so. She's maybe thirty three but just she could honestly be older. We do not all this woman. Lisa who he has been dating for some time even though some people just found out for not just some time. This is one of those stories. The only reason this went viral is because of a tweet. A photo that lionel ritchie posted at him and his girlfriend which is a beautiful photo like it also looks faced tuned to hell so they both look extra young. They're like to smooth. he's various he's very smooth. That is like that's that's khloe kardashian. Makeup yeah man by makeup. I mean technology. it's viral tweets controlling. the narrative is what we have here. That's been happening a lot i know. And it says lionel richie with his new bay. He's seventy one and she's thirty. Love winds none of that is true. She's not thirty and she's not new. Is he seventy one though. He is seventy one so that one. That's true and i guess things are because love does win so okay love wins is true. Love does win seventy one. But she's not thirty because that's unconfirmed. She's now he's not new because they've been dating since at least two thousand thirteen. At least the tweet itself went viral but the tweet that went viral was at king. Thelonious re tweeted bat and said i know shorties mama's jealous hell which is like her. Mom is the perfect age of a lionel ritchie fan. So basically he's making another joke about the age gap and that has twenty thousand retweets in one hundred and forty thousand likes. These two viral tweets are controlling the entire narrative around this. Because it's funny like if her mom is like let's say she's let's say she is thirty and her mom. Let's say fifty five sixty or something that is like the bullseye age to have a crush on lionel rich. Yes like my mom. Listening to long ritchie for the first time being. Hello so that is what this sweetest saying. But it's not true. All of her instagram is now like clapping back at the press but in like vague ways with stupid gifts like it's like she's like i've been dating this man i've put in my time like this is hilarious that everyone's now just like finding out to be mad was lisa parisi. We haven't even set her named lisa. Parisi she was a former model. She her instagram is mostly just photos of her promoting her beauty brand promoting lionel. Richie stop. She does so much work for his perfume. Which is called. Hello never forget. He launched a low. This year that was needed for for ray grits of the year at the fragrance foundation. Twenty twenty one awards. Here's the thing though. I was like i recognize this woman. I know that the daily mail has talked about this woman. I noted the daily meal is not only talked bit obsessed with this woman. I found no fewer than two four six eight ten twenty headlines since two thousand thirteen thousand fourteen when they started dating. The daily mail was on it there. Are you kidding. Iconic them dating a who who's younger. The daily mail is salivating. Read all of these. I won't yeah. I'll start at the top by the way. Okay that's not part of it but yeah this isn't even all of them. This is just the ones that specifically call her young or young. Okay double the. They're probably also at the top. We'll go we'll left to right okay. Dancing on the ceiling lionel. Richie flashes a smile. As he takes young mystery date tabasco ballgame lionel ritchie sixty. Four looks pleased with himself as he enjoys dinner date with his much younger cleavage. Bearing girlfriend lionel. Richie sixty five and his much younger girlfriend. Lisa parisi cut stylish figures as they arrive in la richie jet-set have lax with much. Younger girlfriend dada dot. After joking. that his three intimidating children destroy common. She stuck on him. They love lyrics. Lionel ritchie sixty six. Just watching the passage of time and much younger girlfriend of three years. Lisa parisi cozy up. Lisa spelled her name wrong around and it's still up and his much girlfriend of three years. Lisa breezy cozy up in my seat. Lana richie sixty six. And his much younger girlfriend. Lisa parigi their spelling it right again. Strong arm in arm through the romantic city of rome through the romantic city of. Is it me. You're looking for richard sixty six struggles to see as he goes shopping for glasses with his younger girlfriend. Lisa per music. Sorry that is a perfect headline. He can't even see so old compared to her. Struggles to allow richie. Sixty seven cosies up to younger gulford. Lisa parigi as he accepts prestigious silver cliff award at london's ceremony the couple of addresses together dot dot dot lionel. Richie sixty seven matches and black with younger girlfriend. Lisa parigi besotted lionel ritchie now. Sixty eight puts swab display us. He enjoys a romantic meal with much younger girl. Much younger model girlfriend lisa. Parigi i love these lionel. Richie sixty nine go shopping with much girlfriend. Lisa parigi in west. Hollywood llano richie. Seventy makes a rare appearance with his younger girlfriend. Lisa parigi in rome. After performing at the vatican's christmas concert lionel. Richie seventy cuddles up too much. That's an all caps is the first time we've had much all caps by the way in poor no eight years seven years much younger girlfriend. Lisa parigi at la launch of his new fragrance. Hello cut about these headlines is he gets older but she stays the same age and that is quote much younger. No they have no idea. He's like sixty seven. Sixty eight sixty nine seventy. She's much younger much younger much. Younger much younger nobody. The and also the thing about this woman is like we're making so many options she could easily be forty. We don't know but they don't know so it's just like they keep calling her much younger because they know that she's much younger. The first photo that i could find them together was in december. Twenty thirteen at some event. Like they've been together for almost a decade right. You don't know how long they were together before that photo was taken you can assume since they do public stuff together. That baby was close to the first time during mardi army walking grocery store listening to the podcast and i was just thinking about spectrum. I'll remember when you talk about. Tyrod thinking bottle and willis but that's not as fun In the first winner of america's next top model with the brady bunch guys. That's all crunch. God i feel like this is such a specific person. Because it's very. I would say she's like the pigmy of the vh one celebrity era of celebrity likely. If you were not paying attention to that then there are so many people that you wouldn't know that somehow like stuck around and it's all these like honestly they're all like seventies tv stars and movie stars who like showed up again to be on these like therapy based reality shows. Is that a good description of this. I feel like it was so many weird washed up people who than they kind of got on. Tv on reality tv was having its boom. It's i yeah maybe your second. Boom it was aggressive reality comeback and it wasn't about like getting a new acting role it was like no coming back as yourself this time. You're not coming back and you're going to be on a show in which we give you free therapy and we're gonna tape it. It's like flavor flav. You're coming back not doing what you did. Which is a musician. You're coming back as a personality. Ashley it's kind of the opposite of the way that we think about it now because right now i feel like we're more empowered. Powering people to come back at a role neither do a new talent that we are impressed by or the old talent again to remind us that they were good at that thing. This was a desire era. An honestly it was kind of. I think shameful to be honest because it was kind of a gross era of like tv. Even though got you know. I'll i love. I love new york flavor of love rock of love. Those were important shows to me. But overall some of the spin offs of those shows became kinda gross. The attitude jonah girls okay. I'll tell you this. These two were from that era because they got a reality show on. Vh one called my fair brady because adrienne curry. Who was the first winner of america's next top model. God think about how long that was a long ago. That was two thousand and three started hooking up with literally The guy who played brother on the brady bunch. Oh here's peter. Brady not grady. He was the middle. Yeah he was beater. This is the original brady bunch. Not the movie remake that you and i are more familiar with. Let's be real god. It's like that's it's funny. How like the brady bunch. That i know is the brady bunch. Is the movie like those people are not my people christine dealer like i am joined. The point is that. Vh1 gave the reality show and it was very dark. They did get married. They did have a golf themed ceremony. I'm sure they was on tv somewhere. But i don't remember it and they did. Go on dr phil because they had marital issues. Of course that's where you would go. And then they got a divorce in two thousand eleven so your question is are. They still together. The answer is no. They were officially divorced in two thousand and thirteen. What has since happened to adrienne. Curry is kind of funny but like also nice which is she literally like met a guy and moved to montana. The guy i was with him his voice might actually be conic iconic. Will the funny thing is you so his so okay so you have to navigate her blog which is again dark because it's dark and also it's literally dark black for some reason it's like archery is doing many things including blogging but also selling avon products which i will let you take your own journey to that but let's just say it's not the it's it's not very comforting to me to be like. She's she's in montana selling avon online. You know we're peak like public awareness of mlm's and not only she's doing an mlm. The poster child for mlm like the textbook of atlanta's multilevel marketing. If you wanna google it and see is the problem. Check it out. But i do. Love is her again. We're obsessed with her husband because he's this guy who used he used to be a twitch stream or who went by the name duck sauce which is crazy to me. But that's not even the punch line it's like. He was a switch dreamer. he stopped. he came back but he has a website that is linked from his instagram. That is that voice dot com. And when i tell you he is that voice. The man is that voice. His name is matthew road. It's not bad voice. Matthew road player montage of his voice. I'm gonna play the full monty wall. I will play one marked down radar. I've heard that voice and let me tell you something voices everywhere that voice. I made a montage. Here's the montage the mandalorian now streaming only disney plus bring what kanda home marvel studios black panther on digital and five days rated r. experiencing an i max dot ready to thirteen. I still believe in theaters march twentieth. Starting tomorrow new york city commuters can collect customs. Sean luc picard. Mta cars at select mta stations. A dog's journey free to ready. Pg thirteen greenberg. It has been nominated for five academy awards including best picture monje the next level. Pg thirteen disney's mu log rated pg thirteen th streaming september four available to disney plus subscribers who unlocked premier access crazy rich asians rated. Pg thirteen the mountain between us palmer rated exclusively on apple two loss in case you were wondering if that's a real voice. I'm so happy that that's not like a robot voice. Like i know we've come a long way with like what can be kind of faked or worse. Still have that voice. He is that voice that's his thing and he does from data and remember the in a world guy when he died it was sort of a big deal and then they replaced him with a very very like tj maxx version of the in a world. Guy and i was like you are not fooling anyone. This guy's voice is not quite in a world but it is powerful voice is in a world we just don't do in a world anymore like he would be if we were still doing in a world. Where ben stiller is a duck if we had those we. We have those types of movies if we had that type of format of trailer being popular. I bet this guy is just waiting for those to come back into fashion because it really is like there are trends and movie trailers and right now. The trend isn't that voice over kind of trend. It's you know it's it's not just that thing at the end that he does the bumper be. Ads are going to keep getting shorter and shorter and shorter. But if anything they're going to need the person to i care a lot now on netflix. You know like they're gonna have those things are because every call to actions. Yeah i mean it's funny because you notice us because when we stuff. I'm always wanting to put trailers because if somebody mentioned we mentioned a movie. It's funny to do the trailer. That kind of explains what. The movie is in a way like. I did it for australia. Movie trailers. now don't really have that anymore. So it's hard to find good narrative clips that go with like more recent movies which sucks because they're fun. I'm thinking of the lake bell movie in a world and what's funny is like that movie is so unbelievably not present. Not only did women not take over the voice over industry. The voice over industry doesn't exist in the way it existed in that movie movies. Only what like ten years. It's all men it has it. Only women's all men was never women. I don't think it ever no one ever broke in the women break in this man now taking all of the jobs if you look at his stuff. It's like all of the jobs they're all there it's all. I just thought like when when his website was that voice dot com os like. Okay this joker. What's his dealer. Okay chill but he literally is an icon. A legend the moment and the voice of the mandalorian. And he's adrian curry's husband and he's married to adrienne curry and they live in montana. Leave them alone. Let her sell her stupid avon products and blog on her blog in case you're wondering what he actually sound. Sounds like he is still a video game streamer. They met playing hurt stone. Which is this like wait. They met playing hearth stone hardstone. Yeah they met playing hearts. Don't apparently yeah. That's the card game. Yes romantic that's funny. Because her thing is like. I'm a nerd. Like i'm hot but i'm also in. Yeah i'm trying to. I was trying to find like how they actually. They were definitely playing hardstone together before they officially went on their first date. That is true that spot. So i don't know if they met playing it but they met in the video game related place there james. Tell he doesn't have one of those voices where you know him. Singers don't sound like they're singing. Boys he definitely sounds like you can tell you can tell. He has a beautiful voice when he talks. He has radio voice. He sounds like he sounds like a radio guy. Let me play him talking. 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The name sounds than me. I'm like jimmy butler. He's probably someone that's a very good name. That's a good name a ken jennings. This is also the caller s. Because this call really went places. Ken jennings because of all this jeopardy like fanfares very recent them because now we're just talking about this guy left. I don't watch jeopardy. I'm not one of those people i don't either. But it still is a show that gets a lot of fanfare and obviously the news of alexander back like you know kind of fueled and people you know people still watch. It is what i'm saying. It's still a big tradition for a lot of people. Did you see a someone else called. There's a new guy on the running. Because there's a ken jennings the other one who's definitely who the one who looks like he looks like a million people. I've met in my life the other one the one. That's not ken jennings you know. I just can't believe it's like another white guy another kind of nerdy ish white guy will now. There's mike richards is the new one and someone called him. I'd never heard this name either. But he's like a professional hope. So but i get what they say when they want it would be kind of like amazing if like a big winner. The biggest winner in jeopardy history. Or like somebody who's known for being very good at jeopardy hosted it would just make contextual sense. But ken jennings is not like a professional host. So no matter. How many gigs. he's done. He will not be as good. Technically at this guy who's a host but like it is just interesting that the fees kind of the fan favorite. So it's hard to kind of go against that. I would say if i was like in the executives chair ken jennings seem like a shoe in for so long and now it seems like this guy might just get it because this is literally his job hosting and lindsay and i recently read alex trebek's memoir and what i didn't know is that al extract was just basically like the sky. After he worked in radio he was just a professional host. He just hosted one billion game. Will he our until they fired him. So it's like he'd get on one and the show would end and be like okay onto the next one. That was just his job and they were like. Oh we're bringing jeopardy back. We're getting a new host. You want to do this. And he was like sure and then he just never left. It wasn't like alex trebek's either invented or was very good at jeopardy. He literally just we need this guy and this and he was available. Jimmy butler who ken jennings them mike. Richard sue wright isolated jimmy butler s basketball guest. The team. can you guessed the team the heat. Yeah how do we. How did you know i guess. That's like one of two teams. I know the miami heat. The miami heat the position forward snow. No i only know. I only use two forwards only know forwarded like different defensive position no backward no forward and that's the forward is a position in every sport except for like baseball. I guess forward. And what does the forward. And they're forward they they score the goals vs. Because there's like you know you either like protect from people scoring or you score and a forward. I think scores and it's like a big role. Okay wow i swear to god people are gonna think cheated. I didn't cheat. I really did not know wondering who is the bigger than normal Aquafina pepsico aquafina crunch crunch as much as i like aquafina. The original aquafina is definitely the original aquafina. More than her name is literally based off that land. Aquafina pepsico aquafina. One two three fina pepsi colombo fina even though it is the worst tasting water. God forbid you have to drink water yes no dasani so much worse than worse find cise is that the co quarter. Yes is that designing the nastiest water on the planet. But i will say actually as we're saying pheno over and over again. I'm like associating it with her. Not the water in my mind like my mind is like back you know and also for now. She's like at the heels she's like nipping at the heels. No you're right. She's trying to be more nora. Because i think her being aquafina credited as aquafina in the last few things she's done has been more on the pressure of the kind of pub. Amer's remission you because she didn't switch over fast enough like she should have done this early on. But i think they were still hedging their bets on her being this kind of aquafina character which it turns out. She has more to offer than i remember. We were convinced that when a star is born came out lady gaga would be credited. Stephanie germany and she absolutely was not stupid stupid for that. We were stupid for that because they'll turns out in care because she still out here releasing records as lady gaga announcing as lady gaga. I think we'll have a member of the rock. Was the rock and movies for a little bit. And then he switched johnson. I think nor will eventually switch to nora. But don't you think it was like he got famous enough and it didn't matter like heat like it was like you had to get like so so so famous where like people just know who you are. You can be whatever they didn't it didn't matter they knew what your face looks like it. It didn't matter anymore. I walked by them shooting that show today. Show nor from queens. Oh my god or should it about a second sinus. yeah. I love passing like shoots. Because they don't really. They don't really happen that often. Like it's more of a manhattan thing. Yeah me too. I love it. I mean truly the most like new york thing is like checking the flyer to see what's shooting like. If you see the pink flyer the flyer like oh i approach leila fly right after someone else approached the flyer and i think we both at the same like oh because usually blue. Bloods is usually. When i lived in green point it was girls. Girls girls girls girls girls girls girls girls mine life. They really filmed in green point like hardcore green point. There was no sound stage that they They were on the streets of of brooklyn. It felt like nature ceiling. There's shooting on the street. Okay next call like let's do like two more lindsay bobby. I was listening. Well i had a pros at different pod caused kuno brian. Todd because tom comes on and he's talking about his wife. And i was just like whoa. I know nothing about him. Although i've been a huge fan burger so is keenan thompson. Who are that. He seemed like a comedian. But like not at all liberty. Well thank you Living libido laptop and Entrench and Diamond forehead keenan thompson. Who were them one. Two three them them. I think so for sure but the caller said something interesting which was that. He's very famous but he doesn't feel like he seems more like comedian. Still not really a celebrity. And i think that's true. I think keenan keenan clearly seems to like. Leyla like goes to work and he goes home. I have seen him in like people. Like i know he has kids and a wife like i actually have seen because i know that his character has two kids on the show has two girls and i know he has two girls in life. I'm pretty sure. I must have sucked in. That information somewhere is what i'm saying but i think he's definitely fix of them. I mean he's been. He was on for like sona for almost twenty years almost twenty years. You said the show was cute. I love a pilot. So i watched the pilot of keenan of course produced by lorne michaels. It is kind of funny how these pilots that are very very very traditionally. You know Sitcom style primetime tv style stuff still is always if you like if lauren loves you or if you go the right route on. Snl you'll get one of these and it could be a stinky a stink or like though it just so far. But i think it's like he did his duty aka. He was on for a really long time and like paid his dues and away. So this is like what he quote unquote got kind of like john mullany. Although his show was kind of a flop the show is cute of like it. Like keeps the like keenan's like really heartwarming character. They don't try and change that and they say his name is still keen in and he plays a host on. Tv so he's like he's like a tv host who's also like a single dad who has two girls a dead wife and like like crazy crazy in law played by don johnson and a chris read so he's a recent snl guy. He plays like his brother so he has like keenan is a straight man and then he has these like goofy characters around him as well as like two young girls and like a you know a stressful job in the first episode about him like dealing with a kind of mentioning of like his wife. 'cause that's like obviously the typical issue with a for like a widower. You know okay but it's cute my media if if you if you love a very traditional prime time funny thirty minutes sitcom it's definitely not the worst one i've ever seen. I'll say that. But i do think that lauren lorne michaels really loves to create these weird time. Capsules of something that i'm not quite sure is a thing. But then i guess if you look at where the most popular shows are like king of queens ran for like three hundred years so High lindsay bobby. So i've been noticing that and a lot of the move us that i've been watching every time Like two people are looking at this guy one of them always points out cassiopeia and i'm just sorta like what is that. Why is that the only thing in this guy that writers point. How for people like what's with that is cassiopeia of them. What's going on also like who. Isn't that ends of constellations. Like orion belt as them the big dipper them. But like what's happening help crunch crunch. I don't know why this is because solutions have always bothered me because i really eight data them. Look i understand them as like before we had technology. I understand why you need constellations to track. What's happening in the sky and you need to use like oh here we go controversial. Remember them like i do. I get. I haven't seen i haven't no. I haven't seen these movies that the caller is talking about. We're like look it's cassiopeia but immediately when the caller said that i was triggered cassiopeia has always been really funny. Because i was like. Okay oh ryan. I get it. There's the belt. Ics at big dipper. I understand like little dipper. Cassiopeia is truly like a w 'cause they're always in your book's growing up in your science books they do the extension of like. Here's what it looks like any like extend what the one is literally like one line. It's like a little w. and then they draw whole lady around it a sitting on a chair and you're like okay that's a that's a stretch. That is not there my issue. Is that when you open these star apps which i love when you can see the stars when you're not in the city you can see them in or the constellations and all these constellations are also also have like a astrology. Names golic your and so you've got heating. I just hate that. I hate that. They're like these competing. Like what am i supposed to recognize it now. He's as you know it's like is it. Tourists or is it fucking orion. I know it's both but like i'm sorry. Look at this beautiful graphic that i found of constellations. It's like me and texting it to you. But like i mean you'd think when you look up this guy looks like this but it doesn't it does when you look up and it's like an it's like scorpio. Yeah i get. I get that. That looks like a scorpion. That looks like a stinger like gemini. Oh yeah there's the twins i see. I see you sweetie. Like i see oleo. That looks like a little animal. But cassiopeia is literally all what w like. Oh i didn't send you cassiopeia let me send you cassiopeia compared to the ones above it better like clearly objects like i get very abstract objects. Cassiopeia was like hi. This does not count. You're right you can't draw a whole lady. Like i draw anything i wanted to around that w by your definition of what that thing is it's not even a fucking w it's like a sweet like a digs i implore you all to look up cassiopeia constellations google it because every artist's interpretation is like the most egregious artistic license drawing full lady around a w a full eighty sitting in a big ass chair usually holding something. I'm like sometimes. She's holding a feather sometimes. She's holding a poem sometimes holding a mirror. How are you getting this well. You know why. I'm sorry but we're just trying to learn what the stars are. And if you need it if you need to envision a lady got to envision a lady and this one it's like oh this time cassiopeia topless like tits out cassiopeia. Okay that's ridiculous but anyway cassiopeia them unfortunately okay. Wow i didn't know you like had a vendetta against cassiopeia like okay. great. Bobby's now we know. Bobby's least-favoured constellation. Also it's like they're turning each one a separate. They're rotating it to fit their narrative. They're doing a lot of projecting. Watch like somebody call on their like the reason why is because the star is the by babba booboo. I quit astronomy in high school because it was all bath. No one told me. I wanted to look at the pictures of cassiopeia okay. We're done. Thank you for listening to the episode of weekly. There are some dynamite called amazing squeeze at the end of this call. Not only because they're silly. There's some silly ones but there are also like someone called in doing like a lot of good investigative journalism about election. Woods babies so like listen to those very good A lot of good information about the goldsboro bomb incident and came to sort of things like you know like a call about cassiopeia we could talk for hours but some of them don't require a comment on lake calls about cassiopeia so we are done those are going at the end of the show after the credits that keep listening call in at six nine who them till the questions. Comments concerns support from patriot. Dot com sasha weekly or twice weekly bonus episode scam You don't get enough and rate reveals on apple podcasts. Even if like the most recent review we got says iconic. I'll take it now. We will i- ticket. I will embrace it with open arms. That is it so thank you so much. And we'll see you on tuesday with another episode of the main show by great weekend. Bye bye have a great weekend bye. exclusively able to be high who weekly Longtime one time. I am responding to a bit. You played in the caller. You're doing amazing sweetie segment which i realize is ridiculous because ever hear this and not even Relevant but i just wanted to say that the call about ryan breslin Abigail breslin brother late in me. And i am very glad that the caller decided to share that information with us. I have no idea why. But i was invested Start to finish that entire call. So yeah me inside. Halabi bobby so every week You guys talk about the queen's campbell but you claim that the queen's gambit isn't all that all that hype up to be but my question is that Why did you on talking about it. Then i can't. The queen's gambit is the blueprint. Is the netflix show. You just can't do dewar as nicki menaj one side. That is they buy a show. It is the queen's gambit is that them And you just can't keep comparing things to it and say that it's not relevant and not all that because The facts just you know they speak for themselves. And the queen's gambit was a limited series so on netflix highest watch rated whatever metrics they use limited series so it's more distinct and distinguished than the brazier tan continued series kind of metric or whenever anyway. Stop with the queen's gambit slander all right by homes ali has passed podcast. Because you mentioned goldsboro bomb incident. My mom is from uncommercial. My mom is a goldsboro was born in nineteen sixty and loves to talk about the fact that that bomb had have four failsafe. Three of the four failsafe failed so it was very close to detonating and loves to talk about how she would have been vaporized. Just like that But yeah christmas okay. Another fact about the old for fifty two Nuclear bomber incident is be reason that the planes were in the because there's a big Well it usually. I'm not that big important air force base called seymour johnson. Which i'm not that still Is probably as but it was a huge deal during the cold war because was on the basis for fifty. Two bombers wouldn't were based out all my mom always talking about how groping girls hoist talks about. How child he would hide. Is that how you planes were so loud when they would take off and it would happen all throughout the day and the huge expense for the residents of the area. High high lindsay. Bobby longtime first time. You mentioned on an episode a few weeks ago how. It's become a thing for celebrity. Not share their baby's names and that reminded me that allies are would never shared his baby's name back in the day. And i thought you know it's been like a year and maybe i find out and sure enough. The internet inform me immediately. That the baby is named evan A little disappointing. 'cause i figured it would be frodo you know or mary or pippen. Even but then i was looking at the info on the mother met marie kondo bed and it says that she analyze them that when she was a producer on a movie that he was in and twenty seventeen at which time she was either still married to or only just divorce from a guy named l. and it turns out the e e l. Cat stands for guessed it evan. So that means that she hooked up with. Elijah will possibly still married to evan. Divorced evan they gave birth to a baby with her new partner. Elijah and they named the baby after her ex which i think is super weird And then that got me thinking even more conspiratorial maybe e. l. cats is actually the father's just saying But now i'm getting into You're doing great baby or whatever that thing again territory anyway. Thought you'd be interested. And i wanted to share french fries. I just realized that Feast four on the show. Hooping see the sitcom obviously These ford actually played hope and not face even though her name is safe. I don't know is. 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My plaid shirt, you're very Canadian. I like blood Plaid's nice. But we have a very important announcement right now, we just received breaking news that just happened five minutes ago guys in the dating world. It's incredible sad. But also, maybe a little happy lady Gaga and her fiance. Christian core Carino have ended their engagement. Oh now, this is big news because the entire world. After seeing a star is born. I'm pretty sure is shipping. The relationship between lady Gaga. I'm Bradley Cooper. And here is one step towards Bradley Cooper and lady Gaga finally becoming the couple everybody in the United States. And all around the world really wants to happen is Bradley Cooper single. No. I'll come on don't put that energy onto him. I know I feel bad. But honestly, because here's the thing Ashley has been behind this the whole time like thinking that they're actually in love. There was actually a rumor a couple of days ago that lady Gaga got a tattoo. That was a secret. Shoutout to Bradley Cooper on and off you saw this. But she got a tattoo on what appears to be her arm her forearm. And it's music notes. Yes, she's also musician. That is true. Yes. And apparently the notes spell GI Gaga is four notes on there. But somebody tweeted that they must they had information that apparently the note spelling Gaga in the treble cliff. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing that credit. That's good spell BC BC in the base cliff and be CBC. Bradley Cooper, Bradley Cooper. Listen. I'm not saying it. I'm just reading what's on the internet. Okay. Guys, all of a sudden lady Gaga ends her engagement. She's getting tattoos that could alluded Bradley Cooper. I've been against it this entire time. Let them live their lives. Let them be happy. But now, it's like, okay. Well, she entered engagement Bradley still with someone. Bradley with a stunning woman stunning woman. I hope he's very happy together to as well. But you know, what look at Orlando bloom end, Katy Perry. They ended their relationship and now back together in no together engaged in gauge. He engagement ring for a second. I want to talk about what are your thoughts on it. So the he was engaged who was engaged to previous to Katy Perry. It was on the guy from getting to the Greek. Grant wasn't end. Russell brand. Now. Lady Gaga, I'm saying. Wasn't Miranda Kerr? Ronda Kerr and Miranda Kerr's ring looks like a flower like there's a diamond in the middle and those diamonds all around. And if you look at katie's Katy Perry's new engagement ring, given from Bradley from Orlando bloom looks basically the same just different goes. Yes. I'm looking at two pictures right now, I'm looking at maranda thing. Oh, I'm looking I'm looking, but they're different colors different styles. It's not this. No, it's the exact same style. Well to say flour. Yeah. But the flowers are completely different. I mean, all right. Here's the thing. It does apparently her the maranda what's her name Orlando Marinda Kerr's ring. I don't see the flower. I guess it has a little bit of a flower shape with the diamond in the middle. And then Katy Perry's new ring is the same. It's the same shape, but just different colors, but also like a different style because hers has like hers at K Peiris looks bigger. And there's like it's like the coloring what kind of flower would that be what kind of flowers? Katy Perry's engagement ring. Basically, a flower when kids draw flowers on a piece of paper, you draw a circle. And then you just circles all around that circle. So you trying to say the Orlando Br bloom gave and engagement ring to Katy Perry that resembles the illustrations greater girl scout cookie to me. Yeah. Now hungry I could see a girl cookie. I guess I don't see the flower on the first engagement ring. I don't it. Just send you the picture. I've seen it on the looking at right now it just looks like a big, dude. So we don't really can't. So if you got this from guy, and you knew he'd given the other one to a previous fiance. This would bother you. I mean, if it was if it was the actual same ring then. Yeah, I'd be like dude similar is what you're looking at right now now. No if it was similar, that's fine. But I would like him to be a little bit more creative. Maybe this is it's favorite style of rings. So we'll obviously what was there when he aged with Miranda. Was there talk of a flower shaped ring, or is this is all coming out now because they resemble each other. It's all coming out now because they resemble each other interesting. I wonder if even thought about it. I wonder if he was like, oh, yeah. I got not. I mean, I'm assuming not I don't know. I don't think it's that bad. I don't think it's that that crazy. Do you think it's crazy though that are not crazy? Do you think it's a good idea for people to break up and then get back together? Again, sure, didn't Justin Timberlake in Jessica Biel. Is a bunch of people who did that. Yeah. Actually surprisingly enough. I was researching this and Kelly Ripa and Mark swallows name as well as yeah. They broke up a day before they got. So they broke up and then they got back together. And then the day after they got back together that you loped and have been together for I don't know how many years, you can't truly know unless you let it go through something to that. There is avian. I broke up for literally less than forty eight hours lager. Daddy, long point. But I do that about Raica. Maybe not you could argue that. But at the moment, it felt very major and upsetting. But it also made us both realize that this is STAN how long were you guys together when this break up occurred. I would say three years so. Significant. Yeah. Were you guys married yet? No, okay. Yeah. I'm I I know a very healthy couple now that have been married for very long time that broke up years back for a few months and realized that they couldn't live without one another. I think I think people have a there's like a bad taste in people's mouth when they realize a couple broke up and now they're back together. Because maybe there's a trust issue or people think there is. But man, there's something to be said about appreciating somebody else, you can't really appreciate them unless you experience life without them. Do you agree look at? Yeah. I mean, look Justin Bieber and Haley, Baldwin Miley Cyrus and Liam just got married and they were engaged, and they broke their engagement out there, married. Yeah. So I think it I think it comes down to how you view relationships. I'm someone that was very black and white growing up in my twenty. As and now coming off of the bachelor, and you know, just being able to be open to different types of relationships has shaped me into someone that is open to that kind of. Greystone where a meeting on the life is happening in the gray. I know it's so I'm trying I know it's a it's a big struggle of mine to swim in the areas of gray. And I'm really trying to get better at you gotta swim in it. You gotta breathe in it. You gotta really just trying. I I'm admitting it though, that's a, you know, hey, the first step in solving. A problem is realizing that there is one. Also, you said hilly Baldwin did Haley never changed her name. She's not Haley Bieber. She's just Haley Baldwin fixtures. Haley Bieber is that she's Haley eastern. You're nodding your head as if you know. Handling of the kind of thing that he's the no Hebrew Baldwin. It is Haley Bieber Instagram her legal name knows Haley road Bieber. I didn't know that which is actually a full sentence. So they're still together though. Right. Because I heard rumors that they were. I mean, I knew that they were going to counseling, and they were very open about thing. It is a very beautiful thing. I hope they're doing. All right. I suggest counselling at before hits the fan and a relationship 'cause that's when you have to start undoing a mess undoing so much hurt that's been done to to people. It's gone. Yeah. I think couples therapy is great when you're like getting to know each other super excited, and you know, working on yourself in working on the relationship. I think that's for me. At least it's a it's a makes me feel very optimistic about a relationship because that means that person is willing to put in the work and not run away. If. Get tough. It's kind of like trying to stop a cold before occurs. You know, how your throat starts getting a little itchy. It's a little irritated. You. Don't want it to get worse. Cam right away. Yeah. You know, you gotta get that emergency emergency. Really hits the fan. So what would you say to people who would say if you have to be in therapy when you're still dating? Well, they're married. You don't need to therapy with. Have a good devil's advocate thrown out there. Yeah. I don't agree with that. Because then I think you're kind of taking the easy road out. It's the grass is greener on the other side mentality. I compare it to we we live in a society. That's so superficial. Like, you know, we put on our bestself on Instagram these filters, we put on Instagram and all these things that we do to ourselves physically going to the gym and eating well to look good. But what's really happening internally what's happening in our head? And why are we working on exercising? Our feelings and exercising our communication skills and bettering that and I think it's still seen as a sign of. Oh, well, your relationship is not really strong. If you're going to therapy and being able to be open to talk about that. That means you guys really have issues. No, it means like I'm going to the gym for my brain. And so is my friend. I also think commitment is a choice. And so when you commit yourself to someone if things. Are going poorly. You should do what you need to do to try to fix those things. And that includes therapy. And I don't think it's necessarily just fixing. I think is just checking in right? When you're one of the Jimmy not really fixing anything, you are fixing fixing this thing if I'm going to the gym you could be maintaining as well. Right because they're not just going to go. And then stop because then what ends up happening. You're one hundred percent LA ex. So it's about men -taining. And I think it's it's such a beautiful thing. And I'm so grateful that I did it while on the bachelor, and that's like one of my biggest takeaways from the show is it they're happy. I did we have some wonderful guest coming up in this episode of the podcast. We have the author of a new book called a terrible dater Sabrina must and then we also have coming in later on life coach, Mike. Bayer. He's also known as coach Mike who just wrote a book called bestself be you only better. He's actually a guest on Dr Phil week. Mar. So we're very excited. He treats celebrities like Jennifer Lopez. So he's a big deal. We're very excited for him to come into the podcast today. I feel like it's going to be a really enlightening podcast, and it's going to be an incredibly enlightening podcasts. And we actually have Sabrina must coming up in just a moment. Who really has time to go to the post office these days, it's always busy. There's always traffic getting there you've got to find parking. You're lugging all your mail in your packages. It's a real hassle. That's why you guys need to go to stamps dot com today stamps dot com brings all the amazing services of the US postal service right to your computer. 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I'm actually here right now in my parents house it's freezing here, but I live in San Diego and the new book, I, you know, I haven't come out with a new book in about seven or eight years, and I do a lot of blogging and run a content company, and then obviously write books and the book is really it's not just for singles. It's about what are we taught about dating and courtship and all the ridiculousness that kind of goes along with that. And it kind of is the message of empowerment and discovery, but it has a lot of ridiculous anecdotes over the air. So very fun. And you know, humorous, and I mean, it's dating who who doesn't have a lot of ridiculous stories. Oh, no. Yeah. I know I do. I wanted to how did you start? So I see that you you have a blog, and you travel a lot. How did you become a writer? I know the story if you want to share that story find it so empowering, the, you know, it's funny. I had I so I went to school out east in Baltimore and Hopkins head at a writing seminars program, it's like a pretty prestigious writing program, but I I was one of the few in the whole program that did have this like master plan to become an author. I kinda did the degree because I liked all the distribution classes, and I didn't wanna do international relations anyways. So about a month before I was finishing up. My oldest sister died committed suicide and I moved back to Michigan. And I just kind of started writing which turned into this book called musk rose off. It's my first book, and it's very intense. It's a very different in some ways. There's a similarity. Because it's still memoir, and it's still very Ron honest, and like a terrible data, but it's very intense. And I always kind of practice that for anyone. But I just kind of that was like my outlet. And then I started writing the living witnesses the holocaust survivor publication with my mom. She's a photographer, and it just kind of everything just kind of you know, like just one foot after the next and just kind of fell into it. But not you know, the life trajectory so to speak that I had kind of plan. So yeah, it, you know, it's you you always I did a lot of things that weren't healthy for me in terms of grief, and then of things that were really healthy. And this was like one of those things. So did you find writing was therapeutic way free to maybe kinda reconnected because it was a loss of connection? And that was your way of grieving a hundred percent. It was it was the best way that I could. Have spent extended especially those first two years, they were some of the most like they the most intense in my life, and it a lot of it was selfish. Like, it was the way that I was grieving. And then knowing that I was going to help someone else that didn't understand what was going on when they were going to eventually grief, someone that was very close to them. And then on you know, on the flip side people that have never lost someone close for them to have kind of an insider, look of, hey, this is what's really going on? And, you know, once like, I'm I'm Jewish so we'll not religious, but you know, once Shiva's over one, I don't know all the different denominations like how they kind of grieve around funerals. But once everyone go home in a month later, and everyone forgets about it. Oh, yeah. That's right. This like livestock grad wanted me really have spoke about this. Before on the podcast and the seven stage of grieving and how you can get stuck in one stage and your story so powerful, and you sound like such an amazing influence for for women and men and everyone out there. So I'm I want to say thank you for sharing your story because it is a powerful one. And now, you're diving into the relationship aspects of things, and I want to ask you, what does a healthy relationship. Look for you. Yeah. You know, it's been it that in itself is kind of Penton Jeremy over the years and kind of deconstructing everything that I was taught in in. My parents are still together they love each other. Do they have the healthiest relationship? Hell, no. You know? My dad is I love him. But he's overly reactive, and my mom does her own Yang. And and so you take all these examples around you. And then you take all the knowledge that Tonle thrown at you or people say that it's knowledge for media. And from the all the movies been everyone else that considers them dating enact. And then all of a sudden, you have to go, well shoot I that didn't really gives his in real life. Did. So I totally get you. And so then suddenly over the years, and I do I think some of it just kinda comes with age and failing a million times until you go. Oh, like, this is what a healthy relationship is. And I don't think that you know, what it is until you're in it. I I you brought up a really good point as you as you grow up, and you see your parents interact, and you see people like Disney movies, and all these romantic stories that end up in a really happy ending. And but you don't see what actually happens behind closed doors, and we emulate someone else's love story as we grew up. At least I know I did I've talked about my parents divorce and how hard it was. I was eighteen when they got divorced and I did therapy therapy session last night with my therapist. And we went through like why I have some sort of trust issues in how it dates back to over ten years ago of something that happened so significant that I I guess I tried to brush over and thank you know, I was over at by people. It was parts of it that I still needed to work on. I love that. This book is not only for single people. It's for basically anyone that wants to fall in love and wants to find that connection. Brutal. Yet, you guys talked about emulating movies TV shows a lot of accused the bachelor of being a part of that of casing love that isn't really possible in teaching. People, you know, giving an example of what love should be. But giving a bad example. I think a lot of people don't hate bachelor like that because Sabrina talk false truth while I'm not saying, that's that's what it is or not. But I'm just saying what people have said because Sabrina say the lack of dating education is that what you mean by that like every what people say impulsive wave. I think that we can define that in a lot of different. I, you know, going to the bachelor I within if you're in the fought light. And they're someone could see a false in what you're doing. Whether it's a show or a person or whatever people at times like, oh, this is the reason like IRNA year to blame. And the reality is, you know, if you take with I'm having been on the bachelor, I have actually funny story where like I actually was act. Like, I dish it at the end kind of thing. But no, let's see it was two years ago. And we get my eyes. Yeah. You know, it was like last minute. I it was end of August. They had me drive up to LA on my friend, who's a comedian LA new one of the producers, and they like look me over they were really interested. And they looked at me as I was leaving the go. We gotta say you're kinda breath of fresh air because I kept seeing all these ridiculous. These women coming in that were so different for me. You know, like, I was definitely over the hill kind of in bachelor years, and it, you know, they said to me at the end they're like, we just try to fit. We basically try to fit a puzzle. So every every person is a character. And it just didn't work out for whatever reason, but interesting experience, but you know, if you remove the TV, you know, or the cameras. I know that a lot of people go on the show just because they want to fame or whatever they have alterior motive. But the reality is people fall in love like that all the time like very quick, they don't really get to know each other at the beginning, you know. And and so you can't really blame the bachelor I think that it's really stems from years and years and years of building this up as you want that spark in that fast romance. And you know, it's like the go-to baguettes and get like elope kind of fan. They it's not just the bachelor thing like bachelor create that ideal of immediate love, it just you know, kind of perpetuated that, but I think it's possible. I just think it's more rare than it is, you know, reality better educate, everybody on dating. What's I really think it comes down to? I think one of my biggest things when it comes to dating. Is. It's kind of about Tinus and in realizing that it's enough. It's like it's a human being that you're interacting with. And so when you no longer I've always said to people like I'm not so concerned with how someone is when I'm dating him. I'm concerned how he treats me after. And that tells me so much more about the permits when you're hurt and or vibe hurt your ego or hurt me like how we treat one another human beings. And so and kids if we can really treat each other leg or teach these children how to sound like a preacher it if we keep kids better about listen. This is what's this is what empathy is, and this is how you actually communicate with another human being. And when you're not interested needle business, really what you should say to them. Not just go them or be mean to them or put them down or humiliate them, and it, and I think that one. You kind of it becomes a domino effect where people actually start being nicer to one another and not seen as something like a personal attack. It's just hey, we just didn't work out. And you know, and I I mean there there's a lot of different so yeah. But when we talk about breakups, though, like ego always gets in the way, right because you for a huge factor. And I think once you allow yourself to really see, okay. We'll obviously if this person doesn't wanna be with me. And there's a reason why we're not working out. Then why am I trying to fight for it? And then you start to rationalize like, okay makes sense that we're not together. But I think initially at least for me, I admit it my eagles like what? Over started. I not see this coming. Yeah. But again, some of that is like doing the work on yourself is like cliche as that sounds and and having more experiences as an adult where you learn to kind of separate. Okay. Is this is just my ego. Or is this actually like what like what's reality here in an Ryan my heard, or why do I think this person is the right person for me? I mean, you know, I I mean, the amount of times that I like it myself a head where I was just so set on wanting to be with a particular man, and he didn't want me. And I'm sitting there going. No, you're just wrong. Like, maybe not even him just to my friends going. He's wrong. You know? I I just he's gonna realize how cool I am. Does he has a front of him? Stupid. We're all stupid Sabrina is a terrible data the title. Where'd that? Come from. Are you the tower dater, I think that people? Yes. So yes, I don't necessarily. I was just on a did a little TV thing in Detroit this morning, and they introduce the book as a self-proclaimed terrible day in. And I got a kick out of that. I was actually today on my couch working with one of my interns and worth ROY. And she'd just read it like a few days before and we're throwing away then I could not come up with what do I title this supposed to months ago, and all of a sudden she like grow a version of that. And I was like, well what about terrible there? And we both each other like, yes. And a lot of people would say I had a conversation after the fact with my best friend, who's a course heard all my dating, you know, disasters and give me as ice over the years, and I for her, and and I was like, well, maybe the title doesn't really work like, I'm not bat bad. And she looked. She was like Sabrina you are terrible. But what what makes you terrible dating because I don't follow the rules. I just say things that I don't I think that most people just they don't. Or in? I don't think I think in some ways that makes me good dater, but he doesn't ever enough? Not. What does not the norm the guy? It's not the norm. Yeah. I break social norms a lot when I'm dating and it kinda catches people off guard. Yeah. Can't break in them. And then a guy will come around guy will smart. I have a boyfriend right now. And he's in. Yeah. No. I mean, you're gonna terrible dater. I know what there's a lot of situations like brass. What I was supposed to do. Well, we really appreciate you coming in Sabrina. Thank you so much for joining us. So your book terrible data can be found where can it be found Amazon Barnes and nobles all that stuff, and we're getting into some of the bookstores, but if you just go if you go to my site them us dot com, there's links to order directly from the site or to go to Amazon kindle paperback kind of all the normal spot. So and you. Parties to write coming ideal. So we're I'm in Michigan right now, Detroit suburbs were throwing one on Thursday, which should be super fun. It's in Birmingham, Michigan. If anyone lives there at Dicko Dow's and then next next Thursday on the twenty eighth in San Diego. We're doing it at I fly, which is like the indoor skydiving but willing by divers in the tube should be super fun. Maybe you could just throw two people in at skydiving at the same time and see sparks flying. Really good idea. A a great test. Do that. Now bruna. Thank you so much again for joining us. You're awesome. Guys, you go. Check out. More of what's Breen is up to by checking her website, Sabrina Sabrina must dot com. That's where her lifestyle blog is. It's where you can get a book. We appreciate it. Thanks so much guys. Thank you Sabrina. She was very sweet I like her a lot. I like her reasoning of how people can get better at dating is simply just being kind to one another. It's the it's just the most subtle and obvious thing. But with his trip kind I think my take on it is obviously kindness, but just being transparent and not hiding at least. That's what I look for in a relationship at the beginning. I talk about this all the time where people feel like they're on. It's an audition auditioning process, and they're trying to be a version of themselves at they're not or part of themselves. That's only like. Ten percent. But that's a ten percent at the person through dating is absolutely in love with. And then they try to prolong this part of them. That's not really fully them in any only get to know that year two years down the line. That's what happened with the next of mine who for two years and a half said that he wanted kids. I think that's what happened was everybody. A lot of people. That's why a lot of people including ourselves say that you have to know someone for at least a year before even thinking about engaged. I don't even know. I mean people I don't know Mark. What do you think about that? He's Dan I'm a fan of the longer. Engage. Log a relationship before engagement because I don't see any downside to it. There's plenty of downside of rushing into some. And there's no downside of aiding somebody for three or four years before you get engaged must have biological clock is ticking. I want an not thinking biological clock. I'm just thinking people will always have not always I take that back. But I people change throughout the years. And if they're not fully working on what's happening internally with themselves, and they'll always be that same person if you marry them three months in four years in by decades and you'll find out what's really happening within them. Once they're ready to unleash it. Well, that's the tough part about relationships. Venice even mentioned it people special. On the first first couple of days, they only show the best version on themselves. And then as you get more comfortable with each other, your true herself starts coming out, more and more. But on top of that, I feel like people evolve people change like Mark. Are you the same guy that you were when you first got married? Definitely not because I do think it's a women's job the train there, man. Get rid of a much better per minute watch. That's the correct answer. My wife. Job. Have you has your wife changed as a personal? I think so. Yeah, I think motherhood changes a person pretty dramatically. So does that change your love at all? Because that's what always been on my mind is that I feel like I'm a different man. Now that I wanted to when I was twenty five, and I'm assuming I'll be a different man when with thirty five than I am now having said that is that mean, my relationship with Ashley will be different when my love for her be different. It's just an interesting concept that I haven't experienced it. I think because you've changed you've changed in a way to accept different women in your life. So maybe if you were twenty four years old, you probably wouldn't have dated someone like Ashley. But now that you are more mature, and you know, you've experienced more in your life. You were ready to date a woman like Ashley. Yes, I agree. But I guess I'm projecting it to the future in questioning what kind of a change how will it change? And I think Mark you can answer. What would I have found after twenty two years with my wife? Is that you both change change together. It's like an evolutionary process as a couple. But I also find that when my wife, and I get away from the kids enough time to travel just the two of us. It's amazing. How quickly we our kids. Again, how quickly I was you know, when we were twenties and dating that's what it feels like the second. We get away from our kids we go. We went to Toronto a year or two ago. We went to London when we get time to ourselves. It's amazing. How quickly it comes back. How quickly revert to those two kids that would young and in love and dating and that's exciting. We earned vacation. Do. Well, I mean, it's a long story. But we were our parents are living, Wisconsin. So we're leaving the kids in Wisconsin get we didn't want to go too far away not going to go to Italy. Right. But Toronto's a whole other country. It's like a, you know, there's an exotic nece to that. But anyway, that was the whole idea. But that's what I love how quick Macron's back. That's really durable. I think you'll find the same one day. I hope so I hope take over every part of your life. That's what everybody keeps telling us that they want us to have kids. But please, wait. Because as soon as you have kids your entire life is different. So we're excited, but also very nervous. Yeah. Yeah. I'm afraid that I'll just never sleep again. We don't all have the same hair. So why should we use all the same shampoo and conditioner function of beauty brings you shampoos and conditioners that are customized and individually filled. Just for you. I have mine. I'm obsessed with mine. I keep getting questions about my hair. Well, I'm gonna share all my secrets with you today function of beauty addresses all of your hair concerns. Not just one most drugstore brands only address a single concern like volume is or strengthen with function of beauty. You can choose up to five hair goals to add to your formulation. 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You are today because it's such a powerful story in your journey is so incredible touching. Grab me too and talking to you from afar. Only about three thousand miles. Yeah. Well, cold. I mean, I think we all we all have stories and kind of where we ended up today. So a little bit about mine is I grew up in Orange County, California grew up in athlete win to a high school called modern day, which is a big athletic school. Grateful monarch. Yes, the monarchs sport. Did you play basketball and football player? I was just about set up. Yeah. I couldn't I had to work. I would say I I did a lot of pump fakes I wasn't a so much, you know, donkey on people, but whatever he thinks. And so I went as a walk on the Fordham, I was already partying in high school. But by the time, I went out to New York. I got heavily addicted to drugs and even more. So which was just talking to someone earlier today. Just interesting since marijuana's been legal the amount of people we see who come in with marijuana problems as opposed to before has just kind of interesting jumped up. Yeah. Yeah. It's jumped up a lot. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I know a lot of people don't want to believe it. But I mean, it makes sense. I see more people in our. Yeah. In terms of more people losing themselves and being depressed or anxious or paranoid. I mean, a lot of people who started smoking two three years ago. So they're they're they're in their thirties where as before when it wasn't legal used to see young adults or people have been doing number twenty plus years. So anyways, I mean long story short addicted to math. And eventually went through treatment a few times the last time I went through this final program. And when I got sober almost seventeen years ago. I started working as a counselor that evolved, I started doing interventions. I started getting flown around the world really to help people who are in crisis and didn't wanna get well. And then I opened up a treatment center in West Hollywood called cast centers. And yeah, just my careers of all the lot. And so I work with all different types of people and Amman Dr Phil every week. I saw that. That's pretty awesome. Yeah. He's my coach. So he's my mentor. I'm with them every week. And how did that come about? Well, I I had a charity. I through these like on music tours. It was called cast on tour. So I through these personal development free events. So I would have like, you know, the mayor Boston's become Boston and. Iggy azalea would speak in Brooklyn or we try to get influencers to make it cool. And a he his team reached out to speak in LA. And we kind of had a moment where I met him. And I don't he's like a unicorn to me, you know, they don't come around a lot. But you know, when you have chemistry with someone, and you just kind of our like like going to be best friends. Yeah. Like, I don't even think until I met him. I even looked up to a lot of people in my career like I just with him. He's he's brilliant to me and. So he asked me if I want to jump on the show and has said, yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. If Dr Phil asked you to be on his show, you say, yes. Yes. Always say. Yes, always. Yeah. And he's he's a great. He's been my mentor now. So you got me to write the book he wrote the forward to bestself, and it's been a New York Times bestseller for congratulations on that or out last six weeks. So it's just been amazing. Awesome. Yeah. So the title of the book is bestself. Yes. You only better you got it. So in regards to dating. Yes. What I find an what I'll do with a lot of couples is we create what's called their bestself in the relationship or when they're dating and we create what's called their anti self. So the best self is like who you authentically are when your feelings aren't hurt when year authentically you, and you create a character because I always parents give us our names. But I like to kind of be fantasy a little bit about who who are we at a deeper level. And then our anti self is part of us that comes out whether it be dating or relationships. So I have people draw describe it and own it, and I find that's a really good way for people to work on their ego. You know, instead of calling someone insecure on a date or because I know you guys give a lot of Dane advise or helping a lot of people. I find that. Sometimes it's helpful for someone to just tap into who they truly are. And not worry so much about even the other person liking them or not what do you think of ego? In what context in the context of whether it's good or bad, or because you just said something that kind of you said that you have people draw. Right. They're they're better yourself bestself there. What other self anti-south anti-south, but they knew said they draw their anti self to help control their ego. Well, when when I talk about ego, I'm talking about ego. Not Freudian ego. It's more like fear. Anything that keeps us feeling not truly ourselves. Because I think for me ego. I've always questioned myself and why I get so defensive certain towards certain things, you're anti self or anti south. Yeah. So if you got I would. I get defensive sometimes if you're, you know, even on dump stuffs, but it will just trigger me. And then I'll get defensive and then ten minutes later. I'll think to myself. Why did I get so mad about that? In the moment. Or is my. God. All right. So. Deep Notre Dame. But I since being engaged I haven't been working out as much I don't feel as confident in myself anymore. Right. As of right now, you know, put on a compounds loss little definition and Ashley was kind of joking. And she said that like, oh, I have a pouch. And I got so mad and the cameras are cute. Maybe she's calling. You a kangaroo. Well, it wasn't do was just joking thing that it was like a light hearted moment that I just took the wrong way. And I got defensive because my ego got the best me because I was like I I don't have that. I didn't put that much weight on. Well. And so but ten minutes later, I was able to control myself and realized why the hell was I mad at that? She was joking. It was a lighthearted moment that I completely took the wrong way. Right. That's an example, small one. But in an example. Yeah. I mean, I think that may not cause a lot of. Tension in your relationship. Small and that literally just came to mind. Yeah. Normally, it's it's a continual pattern like it's where you could constantly feel insecure or not feeling enough. Right. And I like to create those voices and really give them a name. And that's what I call the anti self which I've found is help people out tremendously. If you if you do the exercise that really help somebody get this name the pouch. I don't know if this is your anti-south. I mean think about to me it's more that was a very surface. You know, a deeper one Vanessa, I don't know if you have one to top of your head. Well, I mean, I guess there's something that you already come into the relationship feeling insecure about and if someone highlights that then you're going to feel defensive about it. And I think we're Mike I wanted to ask you, you know, childhood years are such a critical stage in our lives. And we we look up to our parents. And that's basically how we end up learning how to talk and act we just imitate and saw what point I guess at what point can we undo some of that? Wiring that we did in our brains that make us who we are today. But we wanna also better that part that we're not proud of. I guess our self. Yeah. I mean, there's some parts of us were really happy that our parents provided for us even could be genetically and other areas, we're like, oh my gosh. That sucked to grow up. Yeah. Like, I really started to program me. And then the, you know, I'm actually going out to an elementary school in a week to do kind of these exercises with the kids because tear point this isn't taught in schools. And so we end up. As we mature. And get to the point where we're like, oh, I really need to change something about myself because this is getting in the way or but. Yeah. People do change. I mean, I've seen show many people change. But it takes work perfect example of that. I have changed a lot. You know? I always we're all working progress though, you know, it's just the I maybe had darker thoughts towards myself than other people had. But I think that knowing owning those parts of ourselves that are keeping us from having a healthier relationship is really important. So would you say it's kind of practice makes perfect because when you talk about writing your anti-south out, and describing what those things are trying to be aware of what they are. So when they have I'm assuming so when they happen, you're aware that it's happening in the moment. Yeah. We could try it. If you want share. So this is ever. No. But we could do that too early years exercise. Okay. Well, so this is what we'll do. Anyone listening can do this? And that way, you don't have to buy the book, but you will get more out of it. You should still by the book, but the book is like a workbook. So you'll Mark it all up, but what you want to start off first what you wanna do. And I just did this like I just did this last week. And this isn't me name-dropping. I just think it's really cool. I got Joe and Sophie to do it. Oh, that's Joe Jonas. Yes. Yes. And so if he turned her, I'm up to date on my pop culture. Yeah. So we call it the best self challenge and the challenges which I'm trying to make it a cool thing. Kind of like what I was doing with the previous events. I was doing. Yeah. I'm always into like, how do we make it cool to work on yourself? You have to I know otherwise it's off on on yourself. And it's boring. You're just like oh my God. I don't wanna do this junk. No, no, we can say on air here junk junk, great. So so let's I I think what we I want to do is identify. So you get a piece of paper and a pen out and you start writing down characteristics. The best. Describe who you authentically are. So. So what that means is, you know, grabbing a penny or hell good, right? All right. What does that mean authentically 'cause I guess the best version of yourself? I think why think when you think of. If you're listening to his right now, you should be doing the same thing on grab a pen and a piece of paper, you got it. And so it would be like, you know, descriptions of yourself like, I'm extremely thoughtful. I like to make people feel comfortable. I have a good sense of humor are better self. Yeah. Like your which I called true south. So when I when I think of bestself, I always think of that's who you truly are K. And so you just kinda right down. It could be in story form. It could be descriptions. I not take too long Vanessa my list is long. I know. I know I know for myself when I'm running so I have a bunch of employees. And when I'm not being my best self on agitated like, an I remind myself tap back into it. I'm like, okay mic. I get it. Now. See you want to remember what year best what the best version of yourself is. And tap back into that in order to get out of your antisocial. Right. Because the best version if you tap into your best version, even you'd be able to communicate to your partner, what's setting you bothering you instead of just going to a place being hurt. You could explain it in a clear way. So euro two so what you want do one were. Okay. Now, you want to draw it. Oh, I'm drawing, okay? You're drawing your best self. Okay. All right. Rose. Join a rose definitely not a rose. I feel like that's your best self in this. That's that's pad. Like, I'm not being creative enough. Mark. Don't look at my illustrations, Mark. Are you doing to? I wasn't doing it. No. But maybe I should I was overseeing good was co facilitates what I was doing. Okay. I think I'm done drawing. All right now, you want to name it, and it could be anything. It could be anything that feels authentic to you. So for me. My best self is a wizard named Merlin Ben around hundreds of years back. So for me because my emotions can go all over the place. So I always liked to tap back in the Merlin Merlin. What would I name this? So my you'd name your true self. My my true self is named love men now. Log story behind that. One. A player on the eagles or something. Unfortunately house my limo exit. I opened my shirt to reveal an L on the bachelor. I don't know if with the show and all you have to exit out of a limo night one. And some people have a little gimmick thing. 'cause you introduce yourself to the bachelor the bachelorette, some people do something gimmicky some people just introduce themselves. Some people have something planned. And so I had I'm a diehard superman fan, so awesome. They had a shirt made for me with the S symbolism. But instead of the s they put an L in there for love, man. So I was introducing to shut up Vanessa. I was introducing myself too. There was too bachelorettes on my season for night one as love man to there to like read all of the evil men on night one and of feeling it. I was not feeling. Well, you weren't. No. I was not feeling that I wanted to get it over as quickly as possible and thank God whose breezed over and everyone. Got your embarrassed. I was Barrasso because it was I really just wanted to meet the girls. And then obviously, you know, you talk to some people, and you come up with ideas of things that you could potentially do potentially feel comfortable with doing. And and so I was like, okay. I can do this. I figured out a way where I can phrase it and do it in a way, that's not super creepy. And that's what we did. But in the moment, obviously, I'm just sweating bullets. Because I think that these women are literally gonna make me turn around and get back in the car and drive off never to be seen again. Because it's I thought it might have been the dumbest thing ever. That's worked out it worked out fine. It worked out I got still hair. So all right. All right, then. Oh, man. My this is just I'm ready to. Let's see your face. Okay. But it's very it's very simple. I see mama, okay. With a son in a heart heart. Yeah. Because I feel like so if I if I look at what's authentically me, I guess, my qualities I should say I can put it that way. I'm someone who's outgoing and compassionate on very patient. I like to have open communication and honesty with people. I love to form connections, whether that's romantic connections or through friendships, and I like I feel like I'm I'm light-hearted sometimes, and I like to make people laugh, so that's my authentically me, and I put a heart and a son 'cause I just love to feel any form of goodness around me. So that could be happiness that could be laughter and nice weather is the sun. No. The sun is mostly for being around people that just Brighton. And me in brighten my day and. They don't dim my light. No dimming of Vanessa's light. Denny. Denny and might know dating of mama's lighting, nobody Dinh's mama's light. Oh, that's alter ego named mama. I want to be a mom, and I just feel like it's, you know, feel like I'm Bob. Okay. That's pretty good. So was that the only one you had just the nickname? I'd give why didn't are. So my I got to think of nickname my traits. I put your own name. I mean. Yeah. You don't feel like that's great enough. That's not creative enough. I like j j j just reversal J J. All right. I'll go with. Hey J. My last name's haven. So, hey, Jay's true self outgoing social caring loving, and I drew pictures of outgoing of me with friends at a bar because I feel like I'm at my best self when I am out of my shell. I feel that there are a lot of times I like to stay in. I like to stay in my little comfort zone. And I find that. I am my bestself when I'm willing not only to go out with my friends, but also more of a metaphorical explanation of willing to do things that are outside my comfort zone. Same thing. Social bachelor like going on the bachelor like expressing to Ashley that. I've over the past years, I've might have really up and done some done stuff. And I regret a lot of it. And if you're willing to forgive me, I'll do everything I can to make it up to you things like that willing to swallow my pride so to speak. That's something. That's that is. Don't usually do social same thing. I find that. When I'm by myself. I'm in my own head way too much. And there's this a lot of bad thoughts. Paranoid thoughts. There are times. It's just, you know, just everybody. Yeah. This is perfect. So because we'll segue interior anti self with grad ever that is. Okay. So you guys ready to go deep. Yeah. Let's go. Did. I said are we ready to go Di ready? Lama, mama. You ran over there. So my second pair profession in today's Oregon. Great. So this next part for your anti-south, you're going to be as honest as possible as the part of you that is getting in the way of you feeling more free, or that, you know, is it could be that time that you think. Oh my God. Why do I keep saying that or it could be the messaging that you tell yourself or it could be feeling paranoid? When you're alone or the it's kind of really understanding, what are those thoughts and feelings, and you're going to do the same thing where you're going to create a character. And usually a lot of people have a lot of anti salves in the interesting thing is done this with people, and they've taken an honest, look is there anti self just starts to reduce. Because because now there's there's an understanding of it. Whereas before we're just saying paranoid. Yeah. And it's not playful. It's not fun. It actually makes you feel bad. So all right. So let's do this. So we're writing are anti self. Yes. The party that's getting in the way of feeling free. I mean, it's harder because you don't want to admit to yourself. What would actually bothers you easy peasy? You can you can just some people have multiple anti salves. You can think of a moment that you find you behave with family. It could be in relationships. It could be on dates it could be it's a pattern for you. And then we have to draw our anti self and then give ourselves that name as well. Gonna build says word on air. We're about to find out. You just said the F word with no concern whatsoever. Here's the thing. I drop enough bomb. I know that you are where to yes. Leap it out. Right. This one is kind of inbetween. I think it's fine. Okay. But I think it's great. Yeah. If I say afterward. I know this here it that's why I even really make sure that I say it. And so you know, it look all right? We're drawn now we're drawn Vanessa. How are you doing over there? Sounds good. So. Some example, give you some examples if you want a people what they've created like like, I have all if that's helpful. I'll tell you what I created going to be better. Out. I don't know where that's right. Over to the right there, we go. Okay. So you're anti self is impatient. Has trust issues OCD in controlling basically. Basically pick care. Yeah. It's a mushroom. Kluber bar FANG. Oh, you throw up a lot is that like did you watch my first date with Nick? No. I'm were you on you were on a spinning yapping though. I think I drew. Okay. So. Yeah, impatient. Authentically me. I'm very patient. But there are instances where either it's in my dating life on my work life for I get super impatience in a MAC. How can this version EMI come out when I'm a special education teacher? I I'm so calm around my students, and I'm patient with them. Why my impatient with myself and with my partner trust issues. So I had a breakthrough yesterday. The only one that crash on this podcast. I want to work on that yesterday. On my therapy session where? I knew I had trust issues when I enter relationships, and I didn't understand why wasn't within me or it's not because I feel like I wasn't worthy. It came from. Parts of my parents divorce that just made sense while I was in therapy yesterday. So that really helped me understand why an enemy realize when I do get into those moods understand where it's coming from an MIS able. To distinguish whether or not it's my trust issues in my anti-south coming out, or is it actually something that's happening in the relationship that is going on. That's making me not trust them OCD. I don't like using that word so lightly because I know people do suffer from OCD. I feel like I. Having Zayed's when it comes to leaving the house, and I'm Mike oh budge. Did I shut my oven off is my hair straighten her off, and I have to literally drive back home open my door and check all the knobs are off off. And I have to like mentally say, it, I have to voice it out loud and say off enough to touch like the outlets to see if anything's plugged in there. So that's like super stressful in that's time consuming too. And then the controlling factor of wanting to make sure that things are done a certain way, whether that's with work mostly might work life. I don't like to delegate, and that's why I don't have an assistant. I don't have anyone helping me with my foundation, or my personal brand or anything. So that super stressful, and that's why put the bar the birth image. 'cause I just it gives me so much Zion. That I feel nauseous in hate throwing up its when I biggest fears. So I don't I guess my biggest fear is like my anti self coming out. I don't have a name yet. She's controlling she holds her emotions, and she loses control even with checking doorknobs and light switches, and and she's trying to be in control that she's kind of out of control, right? Okay. And can we give her like a kind of a name? You know, you could always rename her. You know, it doesn't have to be perfect. I mean, it could be. Yeah. I enjoy that. Okay. So that's when portfolio comes out, right? Okay. So so for example, you see her laughing when she says now when she was talking about before she was crying crying. Yeah. And what happens is when people for a lot of people if you can't add some humor to it a little bit. Ultimately, people start to beat themselves up, and they go. I'm not enough. I'm crazy. I'm I'm not. I'm not doing it. Right. I'm I'm mess. This. I shouldn't have said that when you start giving yourself those messages, there's no freedom in it. Right. And there's so that's why I like to create the anti south exercise because it just starts to kind of own that part of you that you can hopefully remove what you come up with some ISU Vanessa by. Thank you. Thank you. My antisocial is titled suck bag. A mind. I'll allow it. I think that one's good. This anti self aka suck. Pag is he's afraid of consequences before he even decides to take action he's afraid to express how he truly feels even to the people that he holds closest to his heart. And I drew for the afraid of consequences before he takes action. I drew a little guy who's in the fetal position and then for the afraid to express how he truly feels. I drew a guy in his bed by himself with no friends in free to leave his room. Just low guy. So. Yeah, that's. Suck bag. Captain, cook beg different. You know, we're doing this really quickly to like if you know, we really dig into it. We'd look at that specific area of your life where keeps coming up. Yeah. Well, I think it's taken hold on my life for the past. God eight years or so ever since. Probably in my early twenties. When I was in a relationship someone for a very long time that ended and then was trying to do my own thing on sure about where I was going, but very, you know, stayed in my little comfort zone stayed at home worked at a job that I was bartending for years. I knew I could have done better than that. But just never really tried. And even since then like bachelor, I think I look it was difficult for me to watch bachelor back because I could tell that there was maybe a piece of me detached not because I didn't care. But because I knew that if I didn't put my full effort in I could always make the excuse of if I wanted to I could have and same thing with my fiancee Ashley now with somebody that we were friends very long time who I was always resisting I was very unwilling to just jump in. And another. Example of kind of like afraid of the consequences. Because if I keep her at arm's length he can never know. Maybe I'm not the guy. She thinks I am she held in such high regard that it's just easier just to be held in that regard and not being concerned about actually living up to those expectations. So that's kind of and it's it's happened in my career as well still trying to find myself figure those things out because if I don't fully invest myself into something that I can always pretend to myself that. Well, you know, I could have if I wanted to. Yeah. When actuality I'm I'm afraid of failure. So that's kind of my bag captains MAC and captains. That sounds good. N bar Fola captain bag bar, which is really named the podcast. Nope. I second dating with dean bar full line. Suck guy. Suck guy still just in. Yeah. Still dean so Mike at what point in our journey. Can we learn how to connect with our bestself or how can we remind ourselves? I think how structure day in a line our lives. So if I were to ask you guys, you know, like when do you align with your bestself, you could probably give me examples of moments or places or experiences in which you do that. So. I would say, you know, how do you greet the day? You know, don't want the degree you. How do you start the day? You know for me. It's right. I do this still or I try to do it as much all right out grad lis- just want. I'm putting the pen to the paper. I'm who doesn't everyone feels better when they ride gratitude less, and I'm it's not that I invented this. Clearly people have been doing it for years. But that's how I start the day. And then at the end of the day, you kind of review the day and figure out what went well what didn't go. Well. And so to me it's knowing yourself what's going to harness you being your best self for some people there in the wrong job. No matter what they do. They're not going to be there bestself for other people. It's you know, when they're alone and the thoughts that they have with themselves. So I mean in terms of the approach everyone's a bit different. I also think it it's hard work. I don't people to oversee that. I think a lot of people imagine they'll do an exercise like this. They'll do it once and they'll have a breakthrough. And then think going I'm going, and I I think people don't realize that you need to do this repeatedly. Yeah. I I call it the three as it staying off then tick taking action in its accountability. And the last part is the one people neglect the most which is accountability for people who are in a relationship today. That's wonderful in terms of accountability for people who aren't in a relationship, they can have friends while the mccown -able, right? But do you feel like sometimes people enter relationship, so they can be held accountable and they use their partner as their guide. I think it depends on who would who it is what I mean relationships are complicated. You know hope. You can be in a relationship where you're both trying to help each other evolve and be transparent and have forgiveness in it. You know, but for for some people, I mean, sure, they choose relationships because they're trying to fix a part of themselves, and that's never really going to work. It's not easy. It's certainly not black and white. There's a lot of gray in there. And it's interesting. The reason I bring up the re doing this repeatedly is because I I know who captain suck bag is. You know, I've I've known him for quite some time. It's not so much that I don't I'm not aware of it. It's more. So how do I stop that? And I think it it all all it is taking action for myself and myself account. What brings out your bestself, my fiance? I I would obviously I would say it's going to sound very cliche playing sports. Sure. Yeah. It's just, you know, being in a competitive environment really brings out the best side of myself. I'm I'm more fun. I'm more energetic. Doing the things, of course, you know, going to see movies watching movies talking about movies, just the things that I enjoy doing definitely brings out the the better side of myself. Just like anybody. Can you rewire your brain? In what way we wire us mikes? So can you? Things that have happened like traumas that happen to us in our young childhood life that had such an impact on how we are today. And how we're reacted things today. Are we able to rewire the way we kind of see the world or the way that we wanna react to things. I'm not by any means. This isn't something I've been in research around, but it's a very popular thing right now is neuro science and creating new neural pathways in your brain. So you're trying to get your brain to create new ways of thinking and feeling you have to take certain actions. Right. And so I think in terms of like there's little T traumas and there's big teach traumas, right? There's t- traumas where people are like they were held hostage, and you know, or they there's sexual abuse. But little T traumas like neglect or families. I carry shame or seeing what went on with mom and dad. That can start to shift someone's perception of the world in life. And I think. I people change people change the way they think it's I've seen so many people change even people that like I just saw someone in New York recently who was homeless. At the time. I met him. His parents had hired me to help him. And he was homeless. And doing some things on the street, of course, in order to live on the street had contracted a lot of things as well. And and I told him if he ever got a year sober. I'd give them a job. I never thought he was going to get your sober. He would never be someone. I would ever higher ever. Right. So I tell everyone that who I've like health through the years because I want to create some like, I believe in you. So you could have job right story. They can look up to he did. Yeah. And I and to know there's something to work towards his reward systems work. Right. Well. He now is like sober over ten years super successful killer career, married like, wow. Healthy relationship. So I mean, I know sometimes for salves we can sometimes think we're like trapped in our own thoughts. We think like our own worst enemy sometimes a lot mantis out can come out and just take over in today's world today's world, especially media. Yeah. So I mean, I think to answer your question. People change. Absolutely. I mean. I work with people that you would think would never ever ever ever ever change, and they do, and then you meet other people that you think oh they're really motivated. They're going to get this. They're ready to make some changes. You know? It's it's interesting like all all work with some women who have been we'll go back to a very unhealthy relationship over and over and over again. And then there's other women I meet who have a burst of awareness, and they suddenly stopped going back to the healthy relationships. You know? So I think everyone's uniquely different in. That's why. You know, I just for me I'm passionate these days about like, how do I get this to somehow be incorporated? Just you know in the book, we have hundreds of exercises, this this was to fun exercises that I think are easy and playful, but really it's in our cold. You have parents who say the school should teach kids emotional regulation. Limiting beliefs thoughts about themselves. And then you have the school saying mom and dad, raise your, right? So then you have this culture of kids that then grow up, and hopefully they can regulate themselves enough, right? Because we're taught that history is more important than self awareness. And so we ended up later in life, and it's not until we hit crashing moments in our lives that suddenly we go I need to do something about it. And then we start to work on herself. And then we're like, okay, it's gone. And then a crash comes again. So. I look at it like going to the gym. But I just think we have to really convince and train ourselves to believe. It's just like going to the gym. Of course that it is. I love that you mentioned that sorry. I'm still I'm such a big advocate for mental health. And I think there has been a huge movement and stigmatizing mental health illnesses. And I always openly talk about going to therapy. I've done couple's therapy and the boyfriend that I had that I'm with now is very open to those things too. And I think it's important to highlight that a yes, people do change. But you can't you can't change a person. And I've been in those relationships run like I'm gonna he's gonna want kids, and I'm going to convince him that he's gonna want my babies and that didn't work out. I think it's important to highlight that remember that? Yes, we all come with the story, and you don't see that in court tunes. You don't see that growing up in movies people have these perfect lives? And that's what we imagined is going to happen in relationships. At least ask the guy. Yeah. I mean, look at things all great things. But it it. It is a fairy tale ultra romantic. You know experience. And so if you think about as fill up, by the way, written by so much more entertaining than seeing people awkwardly trying to date. Oh, totally like it's entertaining. When there's like big emotions, and I love him. And I love her and big on the way. Yeah. Big stakes. So on Veneta, you bring up an interesting topic for a different podcast, which is people can change. But can you change people? That's the interesting because we all the whole thing was people can change. But then Venizelos said, but you can't change people. And it's interesting, and I think that's an interesting dialogue to have at some point. But we are out of time right now. Unfortunately, I now the Mike. Oh, my. Studio right now, we'll ship your book out to you. Mike. Thank you so much for coming so much for having me, you guys can go. Get a copy of bestself, you only better is it Amazon everywhere books books are sold. It is a New York Times bestseller. There is a quote on the back of the book by Jennifer Lopez herself endorse endorsing it. So definitely go. Get your copy today. Vanessa's dancing because that's her goal. Mike. 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So when I first met him, I told him, you know, I appreciate if you do like to celebrate commercialized day of days or whatever. What are they called commercialized holidays holidays? There you go. It's not even a holiday because we don't get a day off anyway Canada. And I have the word holiday. Yeah. We do. I just couldn't think of it right now. And we we didn't celebrate I did an interview in the morning, and we spend time together at night wrote each other actually he wrote me really beautiful message like a lengthy well written well thought out message, and that was the most beautiful gift I've ever received a Valentine's eight that was my Valentine's Day. I wanna ask about this commercialized holiday anti Vanessa gremaldi Iran, ailing food. Well, my question is are you the person that's not going to tell you is going to tell your kids about Santa Claus. Absolutely. We'll tell my kids you're gonna have you know, Santa Claus lives up in the North Pole. Okay. Yes. Because there are some Kapela out there that I disagree with who say that they don't lie to their kids at a young age. And I couldn't disagree with them more. And I was just hoping you weren't one of those people in. I'm all I'm not I just think love should be celebrated every day and not just on fourteen February should be celebrated on the fourteenth of February really one day year. That's more than enough guys. Does not agree with that. But wouldn't you shouldn't he wouldn't he wouldn't you have been delighted if he had stepped up into something kind of spectacular? Maybe like I thought he was gonna show up during my live interview in the morning on TV. And I'm like, oh my God. If he's in the back right now waiting with roses. I'm gonna flip out. But it was just a rose sent by this company you've been happy. If he got you red roses or now, you have good so cliche. It is. But it could he could have really done a good job. If you said, hey, listen, I know you've accepted a couple of these. But you've never accepted a row on like it. I like you recall Swabi what you're doing is actually very smart thing, and you are setting the bar low, and you will never be disappointed as long as the bar is on the ground, and whatever he does declare that bar. You're going to be delighted by. Yeah. That's a good precedent for relationships set the bar, really low. So whatever the hell the other person. Does they always exceed them? Smart. This smart and also Vanessa what is this? I'm hearing about somebody calling you fat on Instagram. Did that actually happen? It actually happened. It didn't bother me whatsoever. Because I'm actually trying to gain weight sounds like, oh, yeah. She noticed an extra three pounds. How did this? Have I have you gained three pounds? You first of all you've never noticed. But I don't I don't own a scale. So I have no idea if I actually gained, but I go, according to my clothes if my clothes feel a little bit tighter there. I know that I did. And so I decided to screen shot that comment, I didn't tag the person. But I didn't hide her name on Instagram when my story, and I did right reply to that comment on my page, and I posted on my story. And I just highlighted the power of words, and how body shaming is just it's become a thing of. Like, it's it's as if it's okay to do it on social media people will never really do that. Or at least. I hope they don't do it in person. But I feel like they can abuse their voice on social media. And not realize how hurtful some of those comments can be it didn't necessarily hurt me. Hurt me that people are capable of calling someone fat in. I mean, fat skinny whatever it is. It's insulting and body shaming. And I opened up about this in my story. I was body shamed. For having smaller boobs. And and I talk about having cellulite on my butt and having dark under eye circles. And all these things that I've never really fixed because I'm like, this is the way God made me, and I'm going to love my body, regardless. And I spoke about this before just being able to be free in your own place in your house walk around naked going front of the mirror dance around see things, jiggle or don't jiggle but love the park. Jiggle and love the parts that don't gymnast what I've learned to do two questions. What pitcher was this commented under question on the second picture while I'm sitting on the couch with my legs crossed pulled you bet pitcher? And then she went on and said, well stopped everyone should stop at mentioning me. Because fat is fat is just the fact and I'm like, oh, I see it. Oh, yeah. There's sixty five replies. Yeah. Fan depot. And I got a lot of messages from younger women saying how they're having struggles with accepting their their body, and it was enlightening and very touching for them that I was able to express in the mind securities, and how I've learned to accept some of those imperfections that have become my favorite projections on my body. I think. Yeah. I totally agree with what you were saying about Instagram and people getting way too, comfortable, writing, whatever they feel in that moment. There is I've told this story before, but there is a girl that I went on a date with years ago. That we ended up becoming somewhat friends afterwards and never worked out. And she watched the show, and she was following Rachel, Rachel Lindsay. And when Rachel picked Brian over Peter Rachel posted a picture of her Brian announcing their relationship in this girl on Instagram that I knew in person was very sweet and person seemed very normal commented saying good luck with your husband. This is somebody that I knew I saying because a lot of these people that come on Instagram. I ration I rationalize it by saying they need help, you know, they're not the normal people. But this person I knew was normal. So I ended up talking to them about it. I d m them said what why did you write that? She said I was so mad. I've already deleted it. No idea. Why posted that I feel like an idiot. And I've realized that people with Instagram everything is instant gratification for your mad. The last thing you should be doing is going on social media because you'll post or tweet something that you don't mean. I never these people. Do it's it's crazy. But I used to an anyone that's listening to this that may feel like they can become a little sensitive to comments on social media. Or in person just know that I was the person coming off the show, I will cry myself asleep numerous nights. Then I was really sad. And some of the comments were really mean in hurtful minds, you they were a handful of them in. There were thousands of amazing beautiful comments in super supportive fans, and followers, but that one negative comment can hit you like a ton of bricks, and it just it overshadows, although the positive one so just know that. You know, I I went through it. But I've also learned a to accept who. I am in order to not have someone else. Shame me for things that I've already accepted about myself. Shea myself. I look in the mirror, and I think to myself sometimes you go to the gym. What are you doing go work out eat healthier because I want I want to look better. I want to have more definition. Why because I want. It's it's a confidence thing the the better. I looked better. I feel okay. So it's in internally makes you feel my I think it helps my energy level. I think I feel more confident in my skin. It makes me it just makes me feel better. That's all. Yeah. And then this was natural endorphins. And it makes you feel good. So I get increases everything. Hey, we have some emails if you wouldn't mind people taking your advice, we don't mind this is our ever part as two people in healthy leather relationships. I know congratulations. We're just gonna give great advice. Yeah. Obvious. Robin has a question for you. She says I met my friend with benefits a few years back throughout the years of hooking up. I've begun to develop feelings for him at one point I asked what his thoughts were on dating in general. He said he's looking for jobs in different areas. Maybe even out of state and didn't know if you wanted to start a relationship in case he had to move. But last night, I went to his place we didn't have sex because he was out of condoms. But there was a lot of touching toys and kissing after all that it was his idea to cuddle and asked me to stay the night. This was a first for us. I can't help it think you showed more emotion that he has in the past which only be ignited my feelings for him that I've been trying to suppress hug help I suck at friends with benefits. And the toys were was a little nugget. Any of us were expecting. I wasn't expecting that. But I do want to say good job for using protection and for not having sex because he didn't have condoms. I want to say I've been in relationships before where I was super mad at the guy for breaking up with me because he just wasn't in the place to be in a relationship. And now looking back on like, I feel so thankful and have so much more respect for these men that were able to be honest about where they were in their life. So I think you have to take that into account and also don't romanticize parts of the relationship if he's showing you a faction we all kind of need a little bit of TLC in our day. And maybe he feels really maybe he feels a connection with you. And he's allowing himself to be vulnerable around you and to showcase that side of him. But I wouldn't I wouldn't take it for anything else. I would take it for grain of salt. I don't know Jared if you agree with me to definitely take this with a grain of salt. Okay. I think he is looking for a little TLC as you said in. They were hanging out. I mean, I don't see this guy's a potential future partner. What are your thoughts? Mar you gotta take him at his word. I think with all people you got to just listen to what they're telling you because his actions are actions guys lead in different ways and have different urges and different emotions. But if he's telling you, I'm not interested in a relationship. He's not interested in a relationship. Yeah. Exactly. As many southern as you think he's giving you and with with any woman out there that's going through similar situation as this one. If you're going over to his place and stay in the night, and he's telling you openly that he doesn't wanna relationship that's on you. It's on you. But just be aware of it does he wear exactly. Have your stay over? Why? I I don't mean it. I don't mean it that way at all. I don't mean. It's on you as in like as long as you're okay being friends with benefits, you should go. Do it. If you have feelings that you're suppressing as Robin is right now, then I'm sorry. He's being honest and saying I don't wanna relationship. Do you wanna come over? And she's like sure, you know, so Robin if you are suppressing feelings, I think the best thing for you to do is admit that to him. And if he still says he doesn't wanna relationship then back off. Yeah. Unless you're with being friends with benefits. I saw that. She's not. So I would admit it to him and say like, these are my choices I admitted to an either we move forward and see if we can have an exclusive relationship or I'm admitting it to you. And you tell me you can't be in a relationship. And I'm out like you. You have the right in the power to decide what you want out of this don't give him ultimately that power. Hooking up for years. That's tough. That's really tough. I absolutely honest. If it doesn't if he doesn't reciprocate those feelings, then at least, you know, and you can move on with your life instead of always being uneasy around him. This is from anonymous. I've been dating a girl that I've been best friends with for the past ten years. We actually made the transition from best friends in a relationship being her best friend for so long. I know some of the scandalous dating things she has done in the past. But she wants to prove that she's changed. Well, recently, another guy named Tim has been lacking almost all over photos on social media. I confronted her about him. And he said she said, I don't pay attention to who likes. My. I've never heard of the guy. I finally said why would you accept requests from random guys while dating me? And why have you liked posts of his especially personal posts about moving into a new house? If you have no idea who is she said, no I randomly like things in my newsfeed. So what I had no idea who relation to him. But the fact that she switches story about him and said more than once you've never heard of it makes me kind of upset because I think she lied to my face and my wrong is no big deal. Is you just a flooding blame to me to hide her guilt? Hi, I'm a red flag. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. The power social media. I feel like if your intuition is kicking in and telling you something is up, then something is probably a. I wonder how long they've been dating they've been best friends for the past ten years ago. But have they been dating for ten years and the scandal thing she's done in the past? I think implies that she has maybe messed around on previous boyfriends. You're you can't hold that overhead either. Like, okay, we've all have a pass. We all are we've all done things that we're not proud of less shouldn't unless history appears to be repeating you got to have your guard up. No, I agree with you. But I mean, we don't have all the details. I don't know what scandalous things he's talking about. But if it's something that raises a red flag like he's she's liking picture on Instagram than if that's what she does. And then like enters a form of relationship with these people behind other peoples backs then. Yeah, I would totally do do my FBI research and find out who Tim is Tim and her flirting like we just call it what it is rights, very and this girlfriend anonymous, Tim and your girlfriend or flirting with each other. Are you if you're not okay with that? It's time to have a conversation or maybe. Move on. But she's also trying the gas lighting thing. What you're crazy. Yeah. That's not a good response to that. You know, it's a horrible response. Anytime you get super-defensive and then try to distract what they're what the argument was by making a new one. It's always bad. This is red flags my opinion. Yeah. I agree. It's ten but here's the question. Here's the question. How does he what does he do? What is this anonymous do moving forward? Do you stock Tim or do you just keep his it? Sounds like if he keeps going up to his girlfriend. She's going to continue to say the same thing, you're crazy. It's nothing. It's no, I don't mind as percents leapt twice on it. And I liked it. What kind of tell you? So that I feel like that's just going to keep repeating itself. So the question for me is what is anonymous do does he try to cyber stock this Tim guy because I don't think that's the answer either. Unless the only thing I can think of is if this anonymous reaches out to Tim, well, I think anonymous reaches out to Tim, he's probably gonna find out things. He doesn't like because when we start looking for things we're gonna find things we're not happy about. Yeah. But when she rather no, I think I mean. I don't know. It's also listen, if I was if I were anonymous, and I know like the trust issues that I have the insecurities have about some certain things I wouldn't date someone like her 'cause I wouldn't want those insecurities to come up in my relationship. Of course, they've been best friends for ten years though. And I don't know how long they been dating. But I'm assuming it's a probably half of that. If we're just giving a number to it. This is a toughie for me because I don't know exactly what anonymous should do because I don't think reaching out to this. Tim guys a good answer. Either a major trust issues here. Maybe he should suggest go into therapy with his girlfriend C, which how she reacts to that. Deflecting blame is. That's a big red flag as to hey, I might be doing what you're thinking. So I'm just going to deflect on the you. Wait are you against? This opens up a whole other topic of conversation. Going into reading emails or having each other's passwords on on social media is that a good idea or a bad idea. Because if they did then he'd be able to see if they are. I mean, I'm not saying, hey, let's, you know, have them exchange. Passwords on social media. But. That's a good idea in a relationship. So that there's like, oh, there's just openness and nothing to hide. Yeah. I mean, Ashley has my cell phone password. She could go in there anytime she wants. I wonder if they have that openness in relationship, probably not. I mean, I know that's why I'm bringing it up. These are all things too like for anonymous. I think of. She goes to the bathroom with her phone. She always like is her phone always attached to her just like things to to pay attention to pick up on it might not be hiding anything at all. And it just might be the insecurities of the stuff that you know, has happened in in her past and what's funnel verdict for anonymous here. What are what are we thinking talk to her? Yeah. I mean, that's the only option, but if he's putting up walls, I don't know that you can hang around. I agree because if it's just harmless flirting she needs to come clean on that and more than that. Or if she wants to be more than that. Then we got a real problem Vanessa does the silver FOX have your phone password. Elliott we have each others. And a how'd you feel about that if not saying hypothetically in a different relationship, you're with a guy who has harmlessly flirting with another girl in interesting. Oh, an admitted it it was like you caught him. It was like who is this person. Like, I'm so sorry. I was just she was like in some of my stuff. I ended up following her is dumb and stupid. We've never talked before. Just liked liked pitch. Like that ends up becoming if you're not caught in the act A could become something much greater than just harmless flirting. So I'm no a dealbreaker or could you nip it in the bud and call it a mistake, and we can move on from that. I think it would be hard for me to trust fully. But that's just me because I'm at me. No your fair. I even that will do it. Once again, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us on a new episode of help is suck at dating. Please. Join the Facebook group that's helped I suck at dating podcast. 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