20 Episode results for "Mark Mcgwire"

Add An Asterisk (MM #3492)

The Mason Minute

01:00 min | 7 months ago

Add An Asterisk (MM #3492)

"The Maison with Kevin nation that was a big sports fan growing up in a kid now was used to hear about an asterik or an asterisk as Some people prefer being added to a sports record when there were changes. There was always an asterisk next to the Home Run records because at first Rodger marris had more games to get 61 home runs than Babe Ruth did to get his sixty and then of course in these steroid off there were astrix added to home run records by Bobby bonds and Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa have a feeling that 2020 is a year is going to be our year of the asterik where everything has an asterik attached to it. I was thinking about sports records this year where you've at home run leaders in baseball while they only had like, you know a quarter of the games they would normally play so naturally wouldn't have as big a numbers. It's kind of weird how everything we have an asterisk next to it, especially when you're talking about people going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or the Nascar Hall of Fame at this point. They don't know if they're going to be inducted in 2021 or 2022 and we'll those classes be combined and how will it work? I'll try to figure it out right now put a big old a Street next to everything.

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Long Gone Summer: Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa's 1998 Home Run Chase

ESPN Daily

24:11 min | 1 year ago

Long Gone Summer: Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa's 1998 Home Run Chase

"It's been twenty two years since the summer. The change baseball forever. The great home run chase between mark mcgwire and Sammy Sosa. It was the season that made fans fall in love with the national pastime again after the strike of Nineteen, ninety four threatened to turn off an entire generation to the game. Now with baseball again on the BRINK ESPN insider buster only joins us to shed light on whether we could be looking at another lost year. Then takes us back to nineteen ninety eight a season that looks more complicated in hindsight, the May have saved the game nonetheless. I mean times. It's Friday June twelfth. This is espn daily presented by marathon. Hey, buster? Buster only is the host of ESPN's baseball tonight. PODCAST has been covering MLB for nearly three decades. Buster. Are you getting stopped on the street now and asking okay baseball coming back? I'm getting texts and getting emails, not only from Lake, neighbors or friends, but it's players like how many players are reaching out and saying what are you here and getting a lot of that and certainly a lot of anxiety from people? Because of how long this has dragged on. Well I WANNA talk to you today about the upcoming thirty for thirty long-gone summer, which premieres this Sunday? It's about the one thousand nine hundred home run chase between mark, mcgwire, and Sammy Sosa but I i. like the players who are texting. You do want to ask you about baseball twenty twenty. Because Commissioner Rob Manfred said unequivocally that they will play Major League baseball this season. Do you believe in? I do believe him, but I would say this the worst case scenario four major league baseball. The product is no games whatsoever. The second worst case scenario is Rob Manfred Major League baseball, ramming a short season down the throats of the players because I've had agents. Tell me if you try to foist a system on the players that they haven't agreed to, and there hasn't been a cooperation or collaboration. You're going to see some. Some players say not gonNA participate. You might see some players and we know that. During the course of a typical season, a lot of them will play through nagging injuries. Some of the May not do that. You might see relief pitchers, saying I'm going to protect my interest. Since you guys are protecting your interest, I'm not pitching more than one day in a row. I can't tell you exactly what form all. That would take place me in a, but I think it would become an absolute circus. How much closer d think we are than a week ago? Well I think they're close to a resolution with the proposals going back and forth, and let's face it neither one. His really made any major concession, but based on what rob said based on the calendar is based on the fact that Major League Baseball does want to have whatever form of regular season ended by September twenty seventh. They're kind of on the clock I think that they really should have gotten a deal done three weeks ago, but I do think that there needs to be resolution the next week and I think Major League Baseball will do that. If they were to not come to a resolution, and this is something you've written about before. How bad would it be for the sport? Terrible. And here's the thing. Even if let's say, they did actually collaborate and cooperate and come up with something they already I think absolutely committed so much damage to the product together that it may not recover for years because let's face it as we sit here today. They've missed the opportunity to own the sporting stage in this country for at least a couple of weeks in July and on top of that they've angered so many fans with the way. This has played out publicly with this spat over money. Money and we've seen that from both sides contribute that you know last week. When Tom Ricketts, the chairman of the cubs was coming out and talking about how well it doesn't make as much cast is what people realize I was just thinking to myself there. More than forty million people out of jobs, so many people have lost their lives, and since George Floyd was killed everything going on in this country, and you have a billionaire talking about his cashflow problem. You talk about tone deaf, but that continues. Well, that brings us back to long gone summer and the home run race nine, hundred, ninety eight, because buster as you know, the story really began during the strike of Nineteen, ninety four, which turned off a lot of baseball fans to the sport. For those who don't remember, how bad was it? Always really bad. I remember the first Games in the ninety five season after the two sides resolve labor strife, seeing so many empty seats that year attendance was down about twenty percent. TV ratings were down and that labor stoppage really began the demise of the Montreal Expos Franchise never recovered. Would take more than twenty years for the Toronto Blue Jays to recover, so baseball was in a terrible spot after that labor stoppage. So compare that to the mood of fans watching mcgwire and Sosa when they started, chase down mariss buster you recovering the Yankees at the time. What was the VIBE like that summer? A lot of excitement. Those. Two guys captured the imagination of baseball fans, also other players. That's what was so striking. To go into the Yankees clubhouse. The cubs often would play in the afternoon, and to see all the players stopping and making a point to to watch Sammy's at bats, and then after games going to the clubhouse, and the cardinals would still be going on some place and again the players would be locked into their at bats. Just in talking with players recently experienced that summer. They reference that it was like everything stopped when those guys came to the plate. That wasn't only for players. Of course, it was for fans across the country. You have a story out today where you spoke to a handful of pitchers who gave up home runs to both mcgwire and Sosa in nineteen, ninety eight, but was the unifying theme with them. The cool thing is I talked to five pitchers. Who allowed those home runs to both guys to hear them speak honestly about their. All of those two hitters was pretty cool for example. Rick Reed who is a pitcher on the mets told me that every time aguire got into the plate. He's thinking was my God. That guy is King Kong and he's thought was. Please don't hit a line. Drive back through the middle. Please don't. Don't hate a line drive back through the metal and I asked him. He said that that mean you didn't want to pitch the outside corner, said absolutely other pitchers mentioned that, too that there was that fear of those two guys that year Jim. Parque made his debut with the Chicago White Sox in nineteen, ninety eight, the first two home runs, and he allowed in his major league career were in June two maguire and his Sosa. Center-field, watch this one. Part! Thirty, four mark, Maguire. And he talks about how now when he is a better understanding of hitting, because he works in player development, he really begins to see just how great those guys were in that summer both of them. Who at times you could get mark mcgwire chase at high fastballs before that you could get sammy sosa to chase breaking balls off the outside corner that summer they were completely locked in. On the other side. How did mark and Sami handle the pressure of chasing down Roger Marris? Immediate in the middle of that year, then your time sent me to go out and do his story and Maguire. And the whole thing that was going on with the batting practice and the level of excitement there was for fans to come out to watch batting practice and again it wasn't only the fans are excited, but players were very excited Rick Reed, talking about how he fight his way out of the House early to make sure that he'd go out and watch every bit of batting practice for both of those guys, but it really struck me when I was around Maguire, how onerous this all was on him like the attention and having a deal with crowds of knuckleheads like me like that really wore on him. I remember being swarmed I'd probably say maybe sixty. Reporters like in a circle around me and I remember making a comment and just and just like Kinda feel like a caged animal. He was absolutely joyless before games. What I heard from Andy Benes who is one of his teammates. The year before in the year after that was is at that was difficult for him, and it wasn't until he was on the field that Maguire was really freed up. And the interesting thing of course is. Played Out Sami was the one who really drew maguire out of his shell because Sami. Always had fun when he played the hop out of the out of the box when he knew he hit a ball. Well the smile Sammy really pulled Maguire out of that feeling of heaviness as this went down. So finally on September, Eighth Nineteen Ninety Eight. My Thirteenth Birthday I. Remember it very vividly. Sorry Buster Mark Maguire Past Roger Marris and became a single season homerun king, ironically against the cubs Sosa. What happened? It was interesting because of course maguire all year. You Watch his at bats. He was hitting these moon shots, and it turns out that the record breaker was a line drive off Steve Trachsel right down the left feline. But. Just enough raw. A new. Champion. When he first hit, he didn't think it was going to be a home run. But when it clears the fence, then everything erupts like Maguire is so excited. He almost misses first base Dave Mackay. The first base coach has to pull him back. And that rested that game became a celebration between Sammy and between Maguire in a we have some old school holdouts. Holdouts in baseball now back then you can see that like you didn't see players on opposite teams celebrating the fraternization during the game in the way that she sees some of it now, and that's what was so striking at that time was the absolute joy which Maguire really hadn't exuded at all. That year came spilling out of them, and that was really cool. Tacoma Cops Sammy Sosa. All right after the break. Let's talk about the darker side of that summer and what we've learned about it since. Hi guys given everything that is happening in the world right now. Most of us are buying things online. I saw that at and T. started doing to really help things for those who want to buy a new phone or device online. They are offering fast free non-contact delivery and curbside pickup, so that online shopping is a simple and safe as possible on top of that they have a flexible return policy, so you can shop at ease, you can visit att Dot Com to learn how to shop online from the safety of your home. Twenty, four, seven, subject to restrictions apply. Buster obviously there's another side to the story. Both of these sluggers had their accomplishments tainted publicly as a result of the role that performance enhancing substances played not just for them, but in major league baseball as a whole. At the time. That wasn't a concern. What impact did their season have on baseball back then? It certainly helped to bring fans back into the BALLPARK's. There's no question about it. Look in the steroid era. The home run numbers absolutely exploded in a not only four stars like mcgwire and Sosa, but you start to see middle infielders. SCRAWNY middle infielders show up and spring training very muscle bound, and they were hitting twenty five or thirty home runs. You know you had the commercials which I'm sure you remember you know. Chicks dig belong ball. He had Tom Glavin and and Greg Maddux did the braves trying to beef up their home run power in their workouts baseball play to it because they could tell that fans responded to it so well. In two thousand and six. You wrote an op Ed. Where you call the steroid era, an institutional failure for Major League Baseball and buster. You even took some responsibility for it. Saying you in the rest of the media knew what was going on. How did every aspect of SPA failed back then? And, it really was I called the triangle of blame the players. Association was the most powerful entity in the game. You had a lot of clean players behind the scenes who upset by what they were seeing and their voices really wouldn't manifest until they force the leadership and the Union in two thousand two to agree to testing bud ceiling coulda done Morris, commissioner and I mentioned the writers like myself. Who covered the sport? You know we failed to address it in the way that we should have. And it was interesting, because there's a perception that in ninety eight. The Party was rolling and the writers didn't WanNa get in the way. Mean we don't know. Know each other very well. I could tell you right now. If I could have broken that story I would have loved to have in fact, I had conversations with sports editor at the Baltimore Sun Jack Gibbons New Zealanders my sports editor. The New York Times. We would talk all the time. How do we get at this story and we focus so much on. How do we get a player to admit it or do we get you know an ex wife, an ex trainer, a teammate who comes out and said something about a player using. And too late for me, but I realize in two thousand and two that whole time I should have been getting a lot of observations from. The generally talking about how steroid use had exploded on other words, rather than folks, and just trying to get one player to admit it or the story of one player, having used steroids just get players to talk about what they were saying. In one, thousand, nine, hundred five Tony Gwynn. Of the San Diego Pardon Frank Thomas of the White Sox came out and in Los. Angeles, times, story and they spoke generally about you know what there's a problem here and we're seeing and the problem is growing. That's what I should have really been focused on his reporter, rather than getting hung up and trying to get the goods on one player in particular. Buster, there are players who potentially guilty of taking performance, enhancing substances and managers who benefited from their success who are in the hall of fame today, but neither maguire nor Sosa have come close to the threshold needed to get to cooperstown. Why do you think they're specifically marked for punishment? Because, they were the best players like I find it laughable. To, the point that I stopped voting for the hall of fame because they thought it was so absurd. You have the you know retroactive morality police among the baseball writers saying Oh. We can't. It's a house of the holy in Cooperstown. You can't let him in the hall of fame because we don't want steroid users. Are you kidding when I interviewed Andy Benes who allowed home runs to? To, both those guys that year he mentioned that they're already PD users hall of fame, and everybody knows it. Who was in the game? At that time there were literally meaning I don't know exactly who is using it, and who wasn't using it, but I suspect that there were thousands of players under the baseball umbrella. College players, minor leaguers, big leaguers who were using some form of D.'s. And because mark, mcgwire and Sammy Sosa and Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. They had the biggest gaudio's numbers in the back of their baseball cards. They caught the most scrutiny. Eight is kind of remarkable how some players who have been putting the hall of fame among their peers. Everyone is like yeah, that used and that guy used. We know that guy used and yet the focus has been on such a small handful of people you know. My objection with the writers is by focusing on one player. They're taking the issue completely out of context for how widespread the use was at that time. It's interesting to hear you could Andy Bennis there. was going to ask you know you talk to these pictures about what it was like to play. These guys in the commonalities between them. How do they feel about what they know now or I suppose might have known then. And there was a range of opinion like Venice is feeling. Is You know what it doesn't bother me? Rick Reed said he doesn't feel cheated now. He also added you know those guys did what they did and they have to live with the ramifications. Willie Blair talked about how when he was younger when he was playing, it bothered him, and he was more outspoken, but as time has gone on. He's at peace with it because he feels like. You know what that's just what the game was at that time. I've had players who he didn't speak with for this article, but over the last ten twelve years. They speak with her. Her about that time because they made the choice not to use, and they feel like you know what there's no question that the players he used gained an advantage in fact, Jason Beret. One of the guys I talked to for the story talked about, and he mentioned know I didn't do it. I don't agree with it. I don't think it was the right thing. And while he's not angry, those guys. He also says the results would have been different. There's no doubt about that. E can't really assess what the numbers would be different. Undoubtedly the chase impacted the game and its history buster. How did it change the way? Fan saw young fans in particular. Fans now look at that time completely differently than they did ten years ago fifteen years ago and I know this. Because when I for example, we'll send out tweets mentioning that the the show is coming on on Sunday night. It's remarkable to me. How so many the responses are? HYPODERMIC needles sent back in tweets. Let's keep in mind in part because of what happened in ninety eight in and the fact that people assume that steroids were involved with Sammy Sosa. That's part of the reason why he has been persona non grata. With the Chicago cubs for so long Mark Maguire the reason why he eventually came out and acknowledged using after saying front of Congress. You know I'm not here to talk about. The past was the feeling that he needed to come out and admit something before he would be allowed to be an employee with the Saint Louis. Cardinals so while their accomplishments were celebrated, widely ninety eight inside the sport outside the sport. I don't think they are now and that's the same type of response that I get. If you mentioned a Barry Bonds, you mentioned Roger Clements. So twenty two years later as we consider a baseball season on the brink, and what happened before the chase? Do you think ultimately it was good for baseball or bad for the sport. I think it certainly helped baseball in that moment. I think the failure for the institution of baseball and I put the dirty players in that I put the clean players in that the Union Leadership Commissioner of baseball writers like myself to deal with. It ultimately hurt the sport because you don't want fans to be asking the question. Was that real I just saw guy hit seventy home runs. Was that real? I just saw Barry Bonds seventy three home runs. Was that real? It's the same sort of questions being asked about the Houston Astros in the aftermath of the Science Sealey scandal. That is a dangerous thing for the sport to have. You cannot have a situation where the integrity of the results in the field or undercut, and there's no question. People look back at that time and wonder what was real including some of the players. Ari Buster hopefully next time I have you on? It's talk about baseball returning, and if you're listening, stop ask. Him Guys Thanks being. Coming up. A SIGNATURE SNEAKER! That's twenty three years in the making. 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Tony La Russa on the Home Run Chase | 6

Sports Wars

39:09 min | 1 year ago

Tony La Russa on the Home Run Chase | 6

"From wondering I'm Dan Rubin steamed themed and this is sports wars over the course of the series. We've outlined the stories and rivalry of Mark mcgwire and Sammy Sosas explosive record breaking nineteen ninety eight season the the aftermath of this historic year has obviously been filled with controversy but it doesn't make their historic run any less fascinating just one with more context and Dan well testosterone today. I'm joined by Tony Larussa manager of Mark Maguire with both the Oakland A.'s and Saint Louis Cardinals which obviously includes. It's that wild nineteen ninety eight season. I mean I could feel the vibes from his brain where he was just really tuned in and then go to bed to me. The most impressive or of what mark accomplish was he ability absolutely tune every distraction out and just concentrate on see the ball hit. We'll talk about out Maguire's career leading up to that point what it was like to manage the cardinals throughout that craziness and how he now looks back on the full scope of what happened during both that here and that era in Major League baseball even people at the top of their game know what it's like to choke under pressure I mean I think the tiny alien microbes living hang on Mars heard about John McEnroe's temper Tantrum at the French Open in eighty four but if there's one place you really WanNa keep it together and perform well every time time it's the most intimate of places the bedroom for both clean audio and accuracy sake. I'm recording this in a hotel room underneath the sheets. It's literally right now. Yeah that's true. The great news is you can be confident every time it's time for sex. Thanks to blue DOT COM blue. Dot Com has the first ever chewable that brings your performance in the bedroom to another level. 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Oh come on long longtime Major League Baseball manager he has every award we have a World Series Award winning manager and who better to give us insight into into what went into not just Mark Maguire not just a home run chase but really the era of baseball and the modern era of Baseball Tony Larussa. Thank you very much for giving us your time they. I'm looking forward to it. What do you remember about the the state of baseball in the years following the nineteen ninety four strike. What do you think nineteen ninety eight and a home run chase played in bringing popularity back to the game. I think it really was a tremendous this boost of energy you know baseball and and it's fanatics have a you know it's a deep passion deep love and so they have a a forgiving giving side so the strike of ninety four hit hard and there was no doubt in ninety five that you could feel the disappointment frustration anger of some fans there towards you season. It got a little better ninety six than a little different for me because I had just come to the National League and you walked into the the passion pit of Saint Louis Cardinal Baseball for sure we were regaining a little steps but in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight them and they just took gigantic gigantic the game took gigantic steps to reenergize our fans because of of Sammy and mark's home run chase. Do you think anything else could have brought fans and media attention back to the game other than something as over the top and bombastic as these two players hitting giant home runs to very likable double players hitting giant home runs the way they did. I don't think that hadn't thought about it that way but just make quick gut feel would be no because if you think about the most dramatic example offensively as a home run and one of the different say you had a pitch a couple of pitchers that were having just amazing seasons well they pitch every five days but in home run chase you had two guys that were playing every day and the the dynamics nine annex the drama of the chase as especially as it got to the second half of the season was an everyday occurrence and people look forward to it every day and every day there was there's some kind of of impact which spurred even more interest so by nineteen ninety-eight you had been managing in the Big Leagues for about Twenty Years Nineteen in seventy nine to about nineteen ninety eight at that point. Did anything prepare you for that type of day in day out attention and scrutiny for from from one of your players if you take the example of participating in October baseball especially to be more specific if you get to the world series by that time you know had had the three year experience with the Oakland A.'s of eighty nine and ninety and what you have there is on a you know for about ten days potentially you had total attention to the baseball world tons of media from around the world watching gene the best of seven series between two teams. We recognize that that kind of you know almost overwhelming wing attention and you knew it was like and then you transfer that to the ninety eight example and as I say especially has it built to its conclusion in the second half of the season. It was very similar to a world series experience with kind of attention. It was getting from from media and fans. Can you see the forest through the trees at that point how well this is reflecting on baseball. How many even non baseball baseball fans are paying attention to the sport because of the home run chase or is it. You know you're in that daily grind. It's sort of hard to take the ten thousand foot view. Now that was was that was a a no brainer because no matter where you walked I mean 'cause you're GonNa have a night game. You're out in the streets going the lunch or whatever and you know you're running running into people and the the comments and the interest was so apparent and it was so strong long that you couldn't escape it and once you got the Ballpark then you're totally embraced by all all the the interest and the desire to see something special that night the best example obviously was in early. September MAC and and Sammy we're in the same ballpark there in at Busch Stadium so in the two teams played again that that really brought it to its maximum it was captivating and and we all enjoyed it. What do you remember that. It was interesting that you said you know you go out for lunch. Especially on the road and you can't escape people talking to you about it. What would people say to you even on on the road about the home run chase even May June July. What what were the comments or the comments to me are they. Were pulling for mark sure that the the cubs fans would be pulling for Sammy but they were all about aid. You'd think they can do it. you know what what are the keys. I mean I'm a does he is. He heard is he is. He retired again frustrated. Easy Hawkins constantly the probably the most important and and frequent question was how is it possible for mark and I'm sure guys say same questions were being asked of Sammy how can an individual concentrate with so much attention and so much pressure to keep this thing moving forward and my answer was well. It's we watch it every day and and in our guy and evidently there guy is is really just finding a way to tune things out and just concentrate on on their craft which is looking for good bitching hitting as far as they could. What do you remember about marks mindset. During this time. Obviously Sammy had the much bigger personality. He was an extrovert whereas mark seemed to be a lot more reserved a lot more focused and thinking inside of his head rather than having a big personality externally. How is he handling things. Throughout the season the part that couldn't be reported because you know the reporters would know enough was Sammy was extrovert in which just really embracing all the attention and market time they thought people said he was surly and withdrawn because you know he's he has he has a shy quality tool and really didn't like attention being put on himself to the exclusion his teammates but the other side to it that I think it's important to mention when in the sanctity of that locker room and around his teammates. which were his family you know mark? Mark is engaging personality. I mean mark was the first guy to laugh at anything. We always thought that if you're a comedian we're doing a GIG. A comedy place put McGuire in the front row. I mean he can't help himself so it would mark part of his sanity was surrounding himself with the family and in having a great time in that in that locker room and they were kidding and you know doing things the guys doing it and they're having fun with because mark wanted to have fun within within the family but so as a cameras were all in a game was over you know he was he did not like center of attention but in the end the thing that that impressed me the most when you when you have a really wasn't just strength it was a stroke that did you could hit a strike and get that underspin where the ball carriage forever and all you know that's mechanical and it's timing and were a product of art work in the end the thing that I did most of us remember the most was his ability to concentrate at the moment of the games the at bats and if I could give you a verbal picture of it because they showed us so often if Mark Maguire was the third hitter that inning and there was a hitter at Bat and a hitter on deck mark would be in the corner dugout and you could see him. He ended battering shoulder and you could see him. Sometimes is closing his eyes and you could just see it was apparent that he was kostrate. You wouldn't take a nap and then he would as one hitter was done. He'd walk to so the on Deck Circle. He had a certain routine where he stretched his shoulders and took a few swings and then he do that same thing but abandoned shoulder and stand there and when when you were close to him and Doug I you could I mean I could feel the vibes from his brain where he was just really tuned in and then you go to bat and one way to bring had to life or to explain it would if you remember you august-september whenever both those guys came to bet the cameras would flash soon as a pitcher's throwing because they wanted to catch the swing the swing right well. Mark never saw those things because his concentration was so focused on the pitcher that you're looking at the the ball out of the guy's hand and as I repeat to me the most impressive part of what they and mark from our experience accomplish was the ability to absolutely tune every distraction out and just concentrate on seasonable hit and you probably doubly no mark better than anybody in the game at this point and even to today probably given your time managing him in Oakland and Saint Louis was he always like this it does it did his disposition remained constant from when he was a rookie until retirement or was there a way in which his personality and focus evolved Ono on he grew. It was a good time in his career. You know he signed his rookie. was everybody knows his nineteen eighty-seven and he showed his potential hit forty nine home runs as a rookie and it was and he was just seeing hitting any he didn't. WanNa overcomplicate the contest between the pitcher and a hitter didn't run a lot of advanced first reports didn't WANNA watch a lot of tape all he wanted to do is go up there and just see the ball and and his batting average reflected that there are times that he got fooled yeah but by the time you know ten eleven years later he had developed a real understanding of what pitchers and catchers were doing to get them out and the adjustments that were necessary and so he was studying what was likely to transpire fire so he could be ready and then he can be ready to adjust and you add that to the fact that over that ten year plus period he had really changed his mechanics to where he could get to pitch in the strike zone and get through it to elevated with underspin power so he he was he was exactly exactly ready for that moment because he was so smart not just about the concentrating part but about the game between the pitcher and a hitter and what his swing wing look like any edit outstanding hitting coach you know that that kept kept him on track and that's why a ps of that years later when he retired in two thousand ten eleven he became the hitting coach with Saint Louis Cardinals that went on to coach the dodgers and padres because he had developed that expertise way beyond his tally is basic talent. What's it like coaching the rest of the roster when you have so much attention on on one player more so than probably any player in any season during your career or even really since one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. How do you manage a group of guys who are treated did as surrounding players by everybody watching the game that is a great question and fortunately you know an. I and I don't ever disrespect Sam because they were raised different places you know mark was raised. In southern California went to southern cal. I mean he's he was used to you know a a lot of Nice things in life and im- Santa came up in the Dominican where he you know he became something special without the background sound of of all the privileges that come with with success like that salad sent. Sammy really embraced it and there were times that the his teammates were really excluded in almost and had to be pushed aside because there was so much attention on him well. It's is a hundred and eighty degrees degrees different with the cardinals because partly because the personality difference we discussed but partly because mark really felt like he was just a teammate in his contribution was playing good first base great first base and doing something offensively to win a game and and as a consequence he was beyond concerned with his teammates getting credit to the point where he got criticized if he hit a home homerun and we lost he didn't really WanNa talk about it. 'cause we lost and he didn't want to be celebrating a home run the clubhouse while there were guys in that club author contributed to loss if we WANNA game and he hit a meeting this home run when we wrought by seven to make us up by eight he wanted the attention on the guys that have gotten the six or seven on the board and a pitching to the point where go interview them first and later so efforts like those really endeared mark to his teammates because he knew they knew that he really wanted include exclude them in any way if it hadn't been that way if mark were we're more of a loner. Do you think he could have accomplished what he accomplished with. You know being a shire more reserve guy part of his motivation was just to contribute to the team but he's a competitor right and once he got into the competition with Sammy he really embraced you know going with Sammy and see who could hit more home runs so he was very competitive about that. Do you think that was happening. The majority of the season or at a certain point when it was clear that Sammy and market separated themselves salves was when mark really turned his attention to making sure he stayed ahead of Sammy. Were there was another story. That really started it. By the time we came to spring training meaning. Everybody was talking about what kind of year he could have and there were conversations and questions were being asked him in spring training. Can you hit sixty. Can you get to babe. Can you pass Roger. He was being asked at the beginning and opening day the Grand Slam homer to get it started and so the very I would say the first half of the year. The attention was hey look at look at the pace that he's on and can he break the record and then what happened is a sammy also went you know got really hot on the other side the other team and then it became the contest between the two but the point is it's mark carry this burden the pressure of it literally from the first is spring train to the end to the season. How much time do you have as a manager to pay attention to other things happening around the league that may affect not necessarily how you manage but how people people are looking at your team so managers do that because they feel like it's part of their job to make sure they stay abreast of what's happening in baseball and especially in in your particular league but in my case it was it was a labor of love. I mean you get up in the morning and you got a night game. You know you got ours ours so studying the box scores was just into you know part of it was yeah what what what can you learn it might help your club that night or soon thereafter but the other part was just fascinated by the game of baseball and you watch it and you watch the pennant races in every division and you watch who's pitching well. WHO's hitting well. You even see who's struggling struggling. I mean that's all part of you know love and the game and enjoying us so there's plenty of time to do that and completely concentrate on your team against team that night by one thousand nine hundred eight you had managed in the central and against the cubs and Sammy Sosa a fair amount. Do you remember being surprised by by a hitter like that going from. Being a guy who had thirty five forty home runs a season to what he was doing in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight especially. I think he hit twenty in June. Yes I was surprised yeah. I saw Sammy when he was with Texas you know and he was slender that he just got bigger and stronger but at the time that he came to the cubs you could see the power potential but he added refined the other things about quality hitting like you know having a good strike zone and and making sure that you select a pitch swing it you could he could be very aggressive and chase falls out of his own for example so so that the as and when he got by nineteen ninety eight then he he had refined those elements of good hitting. which is you know you you can only hit the pitches in the good part of the strike zone? If you chase bitches at the edge of the strike zone you're batting average is going to be under two hundred so you can see him develop as okay put that power along with the elements of good hitting by the end of the this season obviously mark sets the record breaks the record and sets the record at seventy if you were to look at a pie chart of his brain is it a higher percentage of relief relief on his part that he was able to fulfill the expectations of the world watching him or excitement about what he accomplished interesting that I think that when he passed the first couple marks was you know get to sixty and then pass it gets a sixty Z. to go by Roger. I think those were very significant effect. They happened in September with some games left. I think he was proud of of it very excited about it but there was a thing that fed both of them was that continual competition see who could hit the most home runs and that really spurred bird both of them to keep you know focusing on the at bats doing the best they could and and the and the race continued literally to the last weekend and and the reason. I kind of smiled about that was by the time we got to last weekend series against Montreal. Mark was physically the and more mentally exhausted There's even antidote about the Saturday night after he hit two home runs so that that that point he had sixty eight he asked me. We were dinner and he asked them yet. I don't know if anything left for tomorrow. You know we he was sitting like Margaret. He's saying you shouldn't you shouldn't play arrest a looked at me like well. What if this is no way I mean you got you. GotTa play people were there and we had a discussion that I'll watch and if you look like you're about to faint because you are literally exhausted. I'll get you out before you faint front of everybody else and he goes out there and hit two more for seventy that was such an exhausting ordeal pleasant ordeal for both of them by the time they they got to the end of the season both of them didn't have anything left in the tank they gave it their all and that's that's why it was such a great race in each one of deserves tremendous respect. One of the things you mentioned at the time was that you felt. Sammy Sosa deserve to win the MVP award for all he accomplished and the fact that the cubs who they were closer and headed to the postseason. Do you still believe that what what was your thinking back then just the fact that his team had a better record or was there something more as because that's in the end how do you how do you differentiate behind between a players in your league that are having outstanding seasons if there's one whose team ends up earning a spot Tober them by definition your contributions have contributed more wins ends and the reason that everybody starts playing is to play in October so I disarmed him was not disrespecting Mark Right. accomplishment is it's just the fact that you know. Sammy's that happened in his team was going October. Marks wasn't did you get blowback for that for not standing behind your guy or or did people. I praise you for for being honest and sticking with what you believed well. I didn't go around the League and listen to the praise but I know combing. When you're you're the Cardinal Family Garnell nation they were not happy with that one now obviously this many years later there's a lot more context to the season looking back at this era of baseball in the late nineties and early two thousands and PhD's and mainly that and you've said this that mcgwire and Sosa and Barry Bonds were products of an era of the sport in which their accomplishments were incentivized. Do you think do you think it's too much for a majority of fans and media to ever recognize that that context when talking about nineteen ninety eight. I just don't think it's possible to have a really intelligent discussion about what happened because there's too much that people don't know about right. you know here we are now. You know hitting home runs more than ever and and there's testing in place you know so. Will you know the home runs are byproducts of several things and that era there was PD use. I have said on many many occasions. mcgwire hit forty nine when he was a rookie. Yup if we mark Spain praise today he could still hit home runs he works got to this day the great great great majority of Mark Maguire strength and and talent came from years and years of very very intelligent displined workouts and dieting and I really believe that there had an instance to where you know he he went too far but I don't think the great majority of success came from an understanding what hitting was about and and and changing his mechanics to where he became a three hundred hitter right who hit the ball in the air with underspin so but that's you know it's a difficult thing to to talk about. I do believe that that era of the PD's was you know there's a it was a stain on on the game for that but pitchers were using them as well and I think the story that has never really been honored. Is that M O B through its players in uniform right through the organizational front front our front office into the Commissioner's Office. Were proactive about trying to get testing long before it became and I don't second guess I just disagree to Player Association in trying to preserve the players rights of privacy and collective bargaining just refuse to allow testing so testing could've come in a lot sooner than that and I wish it had because Maguire would have kept hitting home runs while he was still healthy and we would have been able to see the his greatness. Enjoy it more. Do you almost think that because the heights were so high because people were so enamoured because the accomplishment was seen so once in a lifetime that that it almost made the support like the supposed- alleged crime feel that much worse it was almost an emotional reaction rather so than a a strict by the rule reaction. I think so I mean it you know you we've had the great love affair with what Babe Ruth both did and then you talk about Hank Aaron you know and you know that golden era of baseball and so when you see some of those records broken uh-huh and you find out later that you know it wasn't broken you know without some help. I mean that that upset so yeah my answer's Yes. I think the level playing field is what is what fans want. They want to be able to trust the results whatever they are. They want to trust them and they are generational. Changes guys has got bigger and stronger but YOU WANNA do it. The best you can to a level playing field. Do you think the fans really want a level playing field when stars are worshipped like they are or they just want the stars on their team rather than some other team one of the interesting things that happened in one thousand nine hundred obviously reporter noticed the the the bottle of andro pills and marks locker and the reaction to it was this guy is a lunatic the report. Everybody vilified the reporter do you do you think there's an element of truth to to reporters helping to make a very awkward situation inside the sport. I'm not sure I I know how to answer that I I like to say is that there was a furor over the Andro pills that became a distraction until the point of taking something away from mark and his exploits except that those were pills that we were bought at a health store in the mall and it was yeast extract the one thing and they were not it wasn't illegal. You'll mark bottom because because he's you know he's working out in and it made him as workouts more productive so I thought at the time to point that out now when you buy those things at a store. I thought that was trying to take away from what mark was doing. Andrew was was and still is it's yeast extract you know on and he bought her at a mall store and I thought that that was unfair to take something away from his dorm from something that was available. Did anybody from what you know how everything is transpired throughout their post playing careers with mark and Sammy and Barry Bonds. Are they at peace. They have regrets. Is there lingering animosity with how they were treated and how they behaved what what you know about their mindsets today in two thousand nineteen well. I don't talk to bury about it. You know so. I don't know his attitude. I don't talk to Sammy about it. You know mark is very much. this is what it is now he's in the moment you know. He has an older son met. That's doing really well. He and Stephanie Got Married and they have two sons that are now approaching high school in a really great baseball. Prospects have a great life and they're going forward word. I think probably the credential that would be the best question to ask any of them. you know. Berry for example has been spoken about it. You know mark doesn't talk about it and that is all there at this point not in the hall of fame and are you know they're not on the voting thing anymore so you know he doesn't talk about it. He just doesn't think is possible do I do. I believe that he would be excited excited while I was inducted into the car hall of fame couple of years ago and he's being inducted in the Oakland A.'s Hall of fame this September and I can see the his is joy with that something. That's you know people already know that we mentioned a little while ago is you're still involved in the game and something interesting to me is there's the modern stress on launch angle or players really trying to get under the ball to drive as many balls over the fence or as far as possible. Whatever that's a a big new concentration in the sport these last few years didn't seem like an issue for hitters like mcgwire Sosa and bonds but hypothetically if they're twenty twenty five five years younger and coming up now. What types of players do you see them. As in two thousand nineteen as if they were all thirty years old effect it is that there is a proper way to hit a baseball extend your swing through the strike zone to where you elevate the ball and that has been a focus fitters for years and years and years not just now right and on the the pitching side what you try to do you try to get the ball where it's put in play on the ground or the only extra-base basis you get right down the line so that that that battle that confrontation was going on for years in my opinion when you see guys they're hitting into the low two hundreds to fifty and hitting home runs that emphasis on launching and and and the angle of attack and the exit speed all that I think that that's been generally detrimental to sound hitting and the the fact is if you put the ball in play so if you strike out one hundred two hundred times and you hit thirty home runs and hit two thirty that that that's not good hitting hitting and a lot of us believe that if you hit three hundred with a proper swing you it hit many more home runs have many more hits and make a much more enjoyable game because the ball is being put in place so you know some of the the measurements that they're using now about the Exa to speed off the bat right well. You could see a ball fly off a guy's best. You know he's got a live bet. Versa doesn't so a lot of it was observational and now they they are ways to measure them right but my point is that the IMF assists in getting the ball in the air has diluted. The proper stroke doc to were guys or hitting for less than average. They're striking out so much so that if they don't if they strike out for less less balls in play mean that they don't and help their Club you had twenty home runs and go to bed six hundred times that that's not very productive year twenty-five snap very productive you gotta you hit three twenty. You're going to end up hitting home runs. It's been proven by guys like Aaron Auto You. Take the great hitter today. When they hit over three hundred they hit more they have more home runs and what's happening as guys trying to elevate the ball people are saying it's okay to strike out and they're really taking away from the game and eventual production production. Is Home Run hitters. What do you think Mark Maguire looks like. In two thousand nineteen in terms of a home run chase in terms of physically with the advancement of of how much better recovery is now than it was twenty years ago with with how much worse social media has made things in attention. Do you think it's a different Mark Maguire in a home run chase given the modern world in two thousand nineteen. If you take not mark from eighty seven but mark for ninety seven ninety four ninety five we don't need three and eight to you know that's when he started changing his stroke if you take that converted McGuire with the better stroke and by as we explained earlier a Guy Guy who really paid attention to nutrition and training so they actually lost weight but got stronger you take that bad guy and you put them into the circumstance today with the ball is flying and and and guys like that would hit more home runs than ever hitting their life and that's why you know baseball is probably going to do something to to take away because this is distorted home runs right now and the number of guys are hitting are distorting. The value runs especially in relations to the historical generations of guys who are true power hitters so mcguire today with his stroke with the ball away carrying it. It'd be site two bills. Why do you think it is historic now. Balls being juice thing. Why why is it that you think that numbers are going so crazy? There are a lot of hitting coaches now that are teaching a swing to elevate the ball that in doing so they do things where they rotate a wave their head away from the ball they get under it and they hit with overspent and they make a lot of outs. They pop balls up in his strikeout right. The elements of good hitting are being mess with and they're getting publicity in fact that's the game today. A Lotta hitters have private hitting gurus and in many cases they are not nearly as productive as the true hitting coach who understands the finer points of not just power hitting but high average hitting. Is there anybody today that reminds you of mark and his approach and his productivity yeah. There's there's there's a bunch of out there are amine you look at just look at the guys that are hitting home runs that are hitting three hundred a right at three hundred and they're you know they're putting the ball all in play those guys that's it's emit easiest way to look at it is are you a power hitter and a high average hitter then you're hitting properly if your power rei because you hit twenty five running you strike out and you don't have a good average or not a good hitter. Taranov Tony Larussa. Thank you very very much for your time. That was fantastic. ASPIC and I think people are really going to enjoy this insight. I hope so I enjoyed talking Gordon again. That was Tony Larussa former manager of the Oakland. A.'s and Saint Louis Cardinals finals during mark mcgwire's time with both teams on our next series we dive into the head to head battles between boxers. 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March Madness: The Astros Scandal

Sports Criminals

06:26 min | 1 year ago

March Madness: The Astros Scandal

"Welcome to sports. Criminals March madness special every day. This month we've been counting down the top thirty one sports scandals of the past thirty one years we have reached the year. Two Thousand Twenty so that means this is the last episode of our special. But it's a good one. It's about these signs stealing scandal and the Houston Astros. Thanks so much for listening to our March madness special be sure to check out our full length episodes every Thursday Freon spotify on February twenty sixth twenty twenty Astros outfielder. George Springer stepped up to the plate. Spring training had just begun but the crowd had already turned on springer in his team. But it wasn't just the opposing fans cheering him. Astros fans were booing him as well. Their displeasure unnerved springer so much. He swung missed in fell to the ground. He knew why the crowd was so angry. His team had cheated and nobody was going to let them forget it. Welcome to sports criminals. Apar- cast original. This is the last episode in our March Madness. Special this month. We've counted down the top thirty one sports scandals from nineteen ninety. Two Twenty Twenty on Carter Roy. And I'm Tim Johnson in today's episode. We've caught up to this year. Twenty twenty and we're exploring the Astros signed stealing scandal in late. Two Thousand Nineteen reports broke that the Houston. Astros had illegally recorded their opponents pitching signals and use the forbidden information to win the two thousand seventeen world series. The controversy isn't going away anytime soon. For as long as Major League baseball has existed it's been plagued with scandals in one thousand nine hundred eighteen. The Chicago White Sox allegedly through the world series after gamblers bribed them to lose in one thousand nine hundred six Cincinnati reds manager. Pete Rose Bet on his own games in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. The home run race between Mark mcgwire and Sammy was marred by accusations of performance enhancing steroid use in court bats and the Astros signed. Stealing is the latest Tamar Sport. The scandal broke in November two thousand nineteen when a report from the athletic revealed that the Astros had illegally stolen opponents pitching signals during their two thousand seventeen world series winning season using a centerfield camera. They recorded the opposing team's catchers than broadcasted the signs into a hallway between their dugout clubhouse of coach or player within pound on a garbage can to alert the batter to wet. Pitch was coming news of the scandal. Set off incendiary reaction in the baseball world. It was exacerbated by the fact that the Astros had just come off another world series appearance which they narrowly lost to the Washington nationals and their success was poised to continue the astros were projected to win around one hundred games twenty twenty. Unfortunately the Commissioner of Baseball Rob Manfred didn't seem to take the sign stealing seriously after the scandal broke in November. Two Thousand Nineteen. He launched an official investigation and offered amnesty to anyone who confessed and cooperated with the inquiry man. Decision was met with derision in the eyes of MLB players. He was letting the guilty get away with a slap on the wrist even worse during an espn interview in February twenty. Twenty Manfred seemed overly dismissive of the scandal to explain why he wouldn't revoke the Astros. Two thousand seventeen title. He said asking for a piece of metal back seems like a futile act. While officials downplayed the situation players frustration grew during preseason interviews dodgers first baseman cody. Bellinger said. I thought man Fred's punishment was week. These guys were cheating for three. Everyone knows they stole the ring from us. Cincinnati reds pitcher. Trevor Bauer added. I'm not going to let them forget the fact that they are hypocrites. They are cheaters. They've stolen from a lot of other people and the game itself was completely unfair. Exchanges became so heated. Manfred worried that opposing pitchers might be tempted to get revenge. In mid-february he warned there would be severe punishments. For being balls or pitches aimed directly at batters in spite of Manfred warnings. A higher than average number of Astros batters were hit by pitches during the preseason by early March they were getting beaned seven times game over double the average and it was impossible to say if those numbers would stay consistent because on March twelfth the MLB announced it was suspending all of spring training and delaying opening day. Perhaps the one thing that could overshadow the science dealing debacle was a global corona virus pandemic. But if there's one thing we've found in the past thirty one days it's the controversies are prevalent in the world of professional and collegiate athletics given the high stakes behind every pitch every free throw and every tackle. It's only natural for corruption to slip into the games even if the MLB gets clean. The wider world of sports will never lack for liars or cheats. Thanks for listening to sports. Criminals March madness for thirty one days. We've explored the biggest athletic controversies of the past thirty one years. We're wrapping up our daily episodes for now but you can still check out new full length episodes of sports criminals every Thursday. Listen for free on spotify or wherever you find podcasts.

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Going, Going, Gone: Jayson Stark and Doug Glanville | 7

Sports Wars

33:25 min | 1 year ago

Going, Going, Gone: Jayson Stark and Doug Glanville | 7

"From wondering I'm Dan Rubin steamed team and this is sports wars the over the course of the series we've gone on the journey of Mark mcgwire and Sammy Sosas explosive record breaking nineteen ninety eight season today. I'm joined by Jason Starr who covered much of Maguire's nineteen ninety eight season and has covered the sport for places like ESPN and the athletic we also have have Doug Glanville nine year major leaguer for the cubs rangers and Phillies and former teammate of Sammy Sosa he now covers baseball for NBC Sports Chicago and does a podcast for the athletic with Jayson Stark. We'll talk about the experience of covering McGuire during this time playing with Sammy Sosa and the legacies of each of these sluggers even people at the top of their game know what it's like to choke under pressure. I mean I think the tiny alien microbes living on Mars heard about John McEnroe's temper Tantrum at the French Open in eighty four but if there's one place you really want to keep it together and perform well every time it's the most intimate mid of places the bedroom for both clean audio and accuracy sake. I'm recording this in a hotel room underneath the sheets literally right now yeah yeah that's true. The great news is you can be confident every time it's time for sex. Thanks to blue DOT COM blue. Dot Com has the first ever chewable that brings your performance in the bedroom to another level. They've got the same active ingredients as Viagra and Cialis so you we know they work and this stuff is cheaper than those other two so this is a no brainer basically if you like sex matching you do you'll like blue dot dot com plus. You don't need to go to the doctor's office or spend time waiting in the pharmacy line. Blue Choose online physician concert is free and once approved your order order ships straight to your door in discreet packaging visit blue dot com and get your first order free when you use Promo Code Sports Wars. You just pay five dollars shipping again. That's B. L. U. E. Chew Dot Com Promo Code Sports Wars Alright Jason Doug. Thanks for joining me. I Dan thanks for having a pleasure absolutely absolutely appreciate getting into the history here love it. Oh perfect so let's let's start here. Let's start big picture before we dive into specifics. Is the mcgwire Sosa Story. A Happy Story is it a tragic story is a MIS remembered story. If you could use an adjective if you can use an adjective. How would you describe this the entirety of their story. Let me go. I the adjective that I would use his confusing infusing because you know I I followed Mark Maguire around that year and when it was over I thought to myself that's the great the greatest story I've ever covered and so. How am I supposed to feel about it now back in that time time the feeling that you get when you watched Mark Maguire come to home plate with something that doesn't come along much right right in life when your time watching sports. You just never knew what you're going to see and it was really. I watched that guy hit seventeen seventeen home runs and I remember almost all of them. There was something something superhuman about them. I mean maybe now we know why but my point is it was a thrilling story to cover to write to just witness and so now looking back on it knowing what. I know I often ask myself. What am I supposed to do with those thrills drills. What am I supposed to do with those memories. My supposed to reprogram those memories so that they weren't thrills that it was just another day in the life that I was foods that I that I was. I was scammed. I it's very confusing to know what to make of that time. Dan Well I mean I I watched it. From a little different. The perspective I watched the ball go over the fence off the scoreboard and across the street. those guys were really amazing to watch and the word. I would use his paradoxical you know and the because there is something about baseball that we grapple with all the time about time itself often what does it mean and were comparing errors in history and future projections and predictive and that is baseball. It's always been the way to connect time and something happened here. That broke the timeline because it was the first true collision outside of say you know black sox scandal or something where the the authenticity through and through the game questioned to such a degree and so many players were participating in that deception that we didn't know what it meant to the context we lost contacts and at the time yes. I was a little kid. I was always a big fan you know by brother brought me into this phantom of the game and as a major league to be able to come out early to watch batting practice of Mark Maguire was something Di was on spiring and yes as a big leaguer had my questions was always rumors going around about who's cheating and who's doing what so it wasn't that it was not a new question around baseball but it was just to actually see a ball travel as far as it did and created almost another type of paradox. It's time space kind of paradox of. Does that really make sense. Could somebody hit a ball that far and and you know we're all good. We're all big leaguers here. source some. I'm hit a little further but to do it to that degree. was one of those moments and I think Amanda Ramirez coming up in a ball playing against them in him hitting a line drive to right center field and be thinking Centerfield. I could cut it off and watching it hit almost a third of the way up to late tower and going wait a minute you know so there was off aw but as a as a player there was a little bit of a skepticism even in real time but in the Andy sobbed the enthusiasm in it sort of washed over a lot of those doubts where you were able to still enjoy the moment often a certainly more often than not was it surprising at the time or maybe even if you who had been told a few years prior that we're going to have this legendary home run chase chasing after a record and back and forth that these were the two players because at the time you know. Maguire's dealing with injuries. He's traded so says having an uneven career. He's traded a few times. There are other players that seem like whether it's Frank Thomas Mr Ken griffey junior who is involved in this in this chase but does it seem or did it seem unlikely that these were the two to stand out. I don't think it's seen that unlikely in Maguire's case because random moment that he showed up in the big leagues it was obvious that he was going to be one of the great homerun hitters of all time That's what he it was built to do what he felt like. He was born to do again. Now we know more about it but set the all time rookie homerun record in that first first year and then you know when he got to Saint Louis. You could see it coming. You could feel it common ready had the year is last year in Oakland hit fifty two then that year he gets traded to the cardinals. He hit fifty eight combined for those two and nothing about what he did. Give an all of that history was shocking. I think the people in Baseball semi was another story because semi was a good player. He wasn't Babe Ruth and then he was right. Yeah I mean it. You know in the circles we always he's talked about Barry Bonds. I mean I remember playing the giants in spring training and Scottsdale with the cubs and with you know Shawon Dunston or all these legendary cubs players. I kind of grew up watching and watching Barry bonds sick battery prices hit like seven balls in a row on top of the bullpen and everybody remark grace's always that he goes the best player in baseball. He'd say it all the time. There goes the best player in baseball and he just was you know that good now yes of course forces career came into the same questions as these other two but you know if there was someone to kind of go to that level thought bonds would be the more likely guy or a rod or something like that but you know. I played with Sosa and he was you know super talented player did everything on the field. You know exceptionally well could throw could run hit hit for power. He wasn't as a consistent hitter in terms of Even as power was would been flow his streets would have been flow go through these stretches and to once again hit the ball consistently without type trajectory was really tough whereas Maguire's Dave kingman type where anytime he he did the ball at had that kind of trajectory he might strike out a lot so I'd agree with Jason that Maguire seem likely on on the homerun level so so suggests see mike it it went up two notches of more than his typical home run pace it'd be easy to talk about the differences that the contrasting trashing personalities of mcgwire and Sosa with McGuire as an introvert and he's Shire and he's in his head a little bit more and more routine oriented and Sammy Sosas charming. He's extroverted extroverted. He's sprinting out to the outfield but when you think back about what the two had in common to to accomplish what they accomplished and to sort of do what they did in in pulling away from the rest of baseball. What is it that that sort of joining them yeah. I really did enjoy that story to the there. There's like the Yin Yang of greatness you have two different personalities that somehow balanced each other in this moment right this this period of time that was redefined in baseball and for better and for worse right but I played with Sosa in a way that I liked him as a teammate. I thought he was fun. He showed up with energy every day. he was laughing all the time he always had like you know. Kinda cool entourage's and he was a showman he was a showman and and as a as a young player Larrabee as people and that was sometimes mostly funny sometimes a little frustrating but he he was generally just like you know just love the game in a very outward outweigh the way he ran with the fans and the American flag and all these things that was so so that was really how he was in the locker room to you. Just Kinda like house music so then you add McGuire and playing against them. He was very friendly at first base. Every time I was at first base he was always talk baseball and you just felt like he felt like this kind of old home baseball kid that was kind of an audit enjoying the moment and friendly about the game but kind of quiet about it and and but yet what is so great about baseball are a lot of sports this collision or really liz connectivity between different types of players who are the Rah Rah guy right right and the quiet quiet leaders in the company man whatever they all come together and when they do it and challenge baseball's history it's very it's noteworthy and the fact that they got along so well. made it even more poignant. I thought you know I can speak more to McGuire than Sammy just because as I said spent more than a month following Mark Maguire around that year as a chase that record and broke that record and set his own record and I think a lot of people miss understood him you know he he was very troubled. By the fact that he was a sideshow he what he wanted to be the teammate and it was the people that the entourage the all the different people that would show up all of the the media folks folks who showed up and followed him around and one at a piece of them that was the part that was wearing on them and so it's true he didn't didn't make himself available to talk every day but that was because he felt like he should only speak when there was something to speak about and I think people who just kind of parachuted in for a few days and wanted a piece of them they. They didn't quite get that part as somebody who's running for weeks. I think I gained an appreciation for what he was. All about his team was not very good that year and so there was nothing to really care about or pay attention to to the outside world except him him and that's not the life that he wanted it. He didn't WanNa be that guy and so that became a real subplot for me that I became very conscious and respectful of was there anything that brought Mark Maguire joy along the way obviously doesn't want to be a sideshow. Obviously he wants his team to win and to be a great teammate what what brings him happiness if anything during this time when he is in that fishbowl all he had he he actually had a great time okay you know last year was the twentieth anniversary and I think I'm the only member of the national media that he talked to about it and you know one one of the things that he told me was he had a great time. Great things happened. It was incredible to him who showed up on their forget this day. One day we looked up. Bruce springsteen was hanging around the battery cage and he mark said even last year. He said the boss was there. You you know it was it was incredible even to him who stopped by Barbara Walters was there one day and MTV was there. You never never knew at any given day. Who was GONNA be there because this was not just a baseball story. This was a story where it you the this was a story that everybody understood whether you're a baseball fan or not as I said as many times the little old ladies walking down Main Street understood what that number sixty one minute what sixty men those were the greatest numbers in any any sport they had a romance way beyond baseball and so the the entire event had a meaning and not just within baseball but within the American culture and again I have had a real appreciation for the fact that Mark Mark McGuire understood that he understood what the record meant to the mayor's family for instance how well he treated them how respectfully he treated them. how respectful he tried to be of Roger Marris he had he had an incredible awareness of what this was that again. I don't think people recognized that time. How enormous is that. There are two players doing this at the same time and it's not just mark McGuire will-he-won`t-he today it's the fact that he has a counterpoint or at times counterpoint with Ken Griffey Junior. How much does story drive the the interest in everything you know. That's a great question because for much of that season this was the Mark Maguire story right right. He he was the guy on pace to break this record and he was the guy who had so many of those eyeballs on him then the thing that happened was Sammy didn't go away. He just kept hanging in there right behind right right behind right behind and then that they showed up on the same field on that famous Labor Day weekend series in writing win as sexy the single season home run was about to hit sixty and sixty one and sixty two and there was sammy me right there to run and hug him on his way around the basis crazy and then from that point on it you know they were neck neck and neck throughout September but it always felt like to me covering the story that ultimately Mark Maguire was going to win the home run race ace he was going to set that record and in what made it so much fun was that he had sammy to push ever wondered how to invest store struggled to understand how to make your money money work for you. You'll probably WanNa hear about the Motley fool then the Motley fool was founded twenty five years ago garage by brothers. 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The Internet is in its infancy so we know Mark Maguire as a baseball player we know Sammy Sosa as a baseball player and so when it comes out that they do use steroids that they do use performance enhancing drugs you know the picture of Andro is taken at mark mcgwire's locker. It shatters this wall that we have with baseball ballplayers. What what do you remember about humanizing Mark Maguire why he would choose to do this. Why Sammy Sosa would choose to do that. Why why. What do you remember about them becoming more three dimensional during this process right well? This is an aspect act two P. E. D. use that I've talked about and written about quite a bit there was no one reason that players players did what they did took with took experimented with what they experimented with. There were all kinds of reasons doug just painted a picture picture of what some guy's face to felt like. Maybe they were being passed by by all the people around them who they knew were using and felt the pressure that they needed to use to how would have changed their career. preserve their career lengthen their career but then there were guys is like McGuire and you have to remember what was going on in his career. After after the incredible start he couldn't get on the field year after year after year. It was always something and he was looking for a way. I I honestly believe this. I don't think he was looking for a ticket to break Roger Marris's record. I think he was looking for a way to recover from all the injuries that had kept him off the field and in my conversation with him last year it was very interesting because I I asked Awesome pointblank could you hit seventy home runs even if you had never used a PD and he said Yep Yep and I said you're sure and he said absolutely he said I know I know myself I was born home run hitter uh unfortunately I did take them. I've regretted that but I didn't need to and I honestly believe I. I mean he was not just spinning. That was his sincere belief that that's what he was going to do. It was where he was headed. It was what he was was destined to be until all those injuries gotten away and whatever he took it was to help them become that player and I think there are a lot of players. He's who feel that Doug do believe that look. There are a lot of reasons there are and some are just outrageously selfish. Some are just outrageously greedy a lot of just pure insecurity. A lot of MS is health and recovery and injury so there are a large variety variety of reasons. I accept that I think the why all these players tainted. The credibility of the game is speaks to the credibility of the individual right wake when you make a choice and and like I said I see you know you go to the Dominican Republic Amari Telemacho and I am not using them as example of a someone using but using his example of someone growing up without running water and taking care of his siblings and okay you know it's hard to walk in that man's shoes and watch someone plateauing and AAA with that level of responsibility and say what choices you would make so there has to be there is some empathy that we need the top in the game but I think the problem with wire or someone saying what they would have done you'll never know and they and the choice they made is part of the reason that eliminates that whole point like eliminates the argument right you can't bonds or where they can say whatever they would of could've should've what might of what they lost that and maybe they're right but because the way the waterfall of credibility disappears with choice you have tainted something maybe larger than you like some like the difference between somebody who's used as their whole life in highschool versus someone who used in the second half of their career. Is there a difference yeah. There probably is but once again you erase the credibility body of everything even if you use it the last year of your career and so the fact that you can get on the field is exactly the gift that's the point that's the point you know how many players I played with that have been hurt in injured and can't recover and AAA and didn't make it because there aren't blew out I could could go enough time on this podcast to list all the players so I think it's so he may all be speaking the truth in the sense of sincerity I that I think it's more the justifications we kinda come up with sometimes in retrospect would of and could have we'll never know and that's why the game it became bigger than self and and the whole game comes into question still comes into question. Oh why did that guy fifty hormones wider and maybe not because everybody's he's doing it. You Bet you know maybe it smooths things out in a weird kind of way but that's exactly the problem because that choice of many players impacted impacted the entire credibility of the game and all the players that whether clean or not got swept into this entire thing and and and the question that Maguire asked what if everybody had the right to ask about the game and I think that's highly frustrating actually someone who played in that era era without taking PD's look. I totally agree with this. Dan asked me to humanize it humanize the decision one one thing. I'm curious about this. I know we have to run but final question is why do you think something like. PD's steroids hgh whatever why do you think this sticks to names in ways that crimes which it's you know the the criminal element of this but crimes with victims that players ears have committed off the field or whether it's drugs whether it's assault whether it's a dui serious life things don't seem to stick to names like if he were to post happy birthday barry bonds every other comment is steroids steroids steroids steroids. Why do you think that is yeah. That's a that's a fascinating topic ended up itself the players in other sports who get caught taken the same stuff stuff yeah don't even have the same stigma that baseball players do and I think it traces back to mark mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa and later Barry bonds and you know why because I mentioned this earlier the records that they broke where the greatest greatest records in their sport or any sport those numbers that were represented by those records the greatest numbers in any sport. Everybody knew that Babe Ruth hit sixty homers and had seven fourteen right. Everybody knew that Roger Marris sixty one homers everybody can do that. Hank Aaron broke record and hit seven fifty five. These were magical numbers. You could connect the dots all the way back to Babe Ruth who didn't even feel like he was a real person. You know he was like almost like a cinematic hero that you made up but this is this is something special that baseball baseball had going for it that separated this sport from any other sport. These were numbers that had it spilled over into the mainstream of American life and American culture and now look atom. How many people know how many home runs Barry Bonds is wound up with. It isn't one hundred percent. It didn't fifty percent. It might be twenty percent. I know people who worked in the GEEN. Who couldn't tell you on the I guess and you know what that tells. US is that the the ultimate cost of that generation and and what those players did was it ruined that thing that may baseball special and there's not gonna be any in repairing of that and so even though what many other players did who got caught who got suspended who wound up in the headlines and didn't approach this they all share in that crime they ruined the greatest numbers and sports yeah and it's it's baseball. The the specialists of baseball isn't necessarily a truth either because that's what it's about. That's what we try to connect to. That's what the story that's what gives it legacy and time and what happened in baseball is a very human condition sought. It's not it's not really an outlier to what people will do if they you know a they want to be. CEO of a company and they changed the accounting records or whatever it is this. Is You know I don't want to lose sight of like you know. These players are all they. You did something that's so extra human in a way that's negative. This is consistent. It is consistent while Sat Jayson Stark and Doug glanville. Thank you very much for your time and again that was Jayson Stark and Doug Glanville be sure to check out each of their work covering baseball on our next series we dive into the head ahead battles between boxers. Mike Tyson and evanger Holyfield a rivalry featuring literal punches wild origins and the absolute height of modern heavyweight eight boxing in popular culture. I hope you've enjoyed this episode of sports wars if you did you can subscribe on Apple podcast spotify Google podcasts wondering dot Com wherever you're listening to this right now if you're listening on a smartphone tap or swipe over the cover art of this podcast you'll find episode notes and some offers from our sponsors by supporting our sponsors you help us to continue to deliver the best sports rivalries ever. 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Talkin Dingers, More NBA Eventuallys, and Family Ties with Jason Capel

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Talkin Dingers, More NBA Eventuallys, and Family Ties with Jason Capel

"Today's sort of titus and say we are talking Dinger State. We're talking long balls. We're talking mirror shots. The chicks dig We watch the the what they call it. The long gone summer documentary with Sammy. Sosa Mark mcgwire and suspicious lack of Ken griffey junior and this thing they gloss over. They mentioned him. But this was all about so some Maguire. And say our big baseball fans and we were going over what we wanted to talk about on the show today. Honestly all it kept coming up. We're just kept talking about Sosa. mcgwire Ken Griffey I do like the idea of Sunday nights where we just get documentaries about pastimes and sports, kind of you know Houston assaulted the members that we've talked about so many times, and at jump back in that head space, and and what I remember about ninety eight was that I remembered a lot more about nineteen, ninety eight and I remember. Remember an I. Don't know if it's just so much that we have going on now, but I remember watching those games on Saturdays the cubs and you know seeing Sammy Sosa with the hop and see Mark Maguire. With the forearms at somehow had biceps. It made no sense I'm obviously in the future we will figure out why and how this all came to be, but it was a good. It was a good thing for us to get into a head space outside of the no news of college basketball so I. WanNa say. As a lifelong cubs, Fan the ninety season was I mean it was. It was right in my wheelhouse oh. It was it was fun to watch. Even though the documentary basically like here is a here's video of every home run. They hit during that season. Like and we'll cut the Mark Maguire, saying yeah. I really wanted to record same like I was out there having fun. That was pretty much the documentary It was a ton offense. We're going to talk about that. We're GONNA talk about the National Basketball Association is in the process of coming back. This is turning into my favorite segment. I think we've ever really done on. The show is is every three days you and I get together we evaluate. Where's the NBA on their path back to play basketball and there's an update. There's an MBA. Update Kyrie. Irving led this phone call with all the guys. Patrick Beverley tweeting things. Austin rivers is leading his thoughts. Be Heard. A lot of guys are chiming in and the waters are getting mercury Mercury Tate as the the NBA is actually going to come back. I will say this about two or three weeks ago as the reports were coming out, we saw an NBA unified front and what we learned was that was because the NBA was the only people talking in letting. People know what the plan was The players were figuring out what the plan was. Just like you and I and the rest of the public. They had questions. They ask Chris Paul in the rest of the Players Association panel. What the what they're questions that concerns were, and they had lots of, and we have even more questions and concerns, and I think it's a fun little thing titus like we don't know if we're GONNA get basketball so. We, don't know it's just hope we all we have is hope here's where we stand today. Finally we are talking Jason. Capable assistant coach, of Pittsburgh brother of Jeff Capel brother of the the guy that is is making all the news especially now with his islands. Jason, but we want to talk to him. Because first of all take you need to tell you. This was the better player. He was better than and we find fascinating, but we WANNA talk to more assistant coaches on this. That's something we're trying to do. We're trying to get an assistant coach perspective and we had access to Jason Capable. We had a mommy talked about the North Carolina days. Does he hate coach K. as North? Carolina Guy. We talked about recruiting. How do you recruit for when you're on the staff of one of the great recruiters in the game? Live up that standard we we. We ran the gamut with squeezed in drive. There was talk about well I will be honest. Mark tennis my only regret. I did not ask him about Joseph Forte. My favorite player North Carolina and I just couldn't bring it up because they had eighteen game win streak together. It was a beautiful time at all fell apart against Penn state. You and I have both been hurt by pin state before. Tony car and I it. To revisit but I it was good to have capable in the program so we are going to get to all of that. We're GONNA talk about this Florida a name image likeness legislation that passed the PGA is back. There's a lot for us to hit on, but I would you doom. That goes. All Right? It is Monday. Afternoon Monday evening I want to start by saying the state I. AM currently in Colorado for the week on a little mental health retrieve. We'll put it that way I to get out of Belair ahead to to to come to the mountains and. Try to try to just walk around in. Older area and see if See what I can find in the just go from there. That's the plan right now. That's a great plan. And I will say I will pay attention to the altitude because I feel like every time that you have an athlete of your caliber goes to Denver to the Mile High, city. We have to be concerned about breath at to be concerned about how stewed, so these are things I'll keep an eye on while. While you're as a good point I went on a jog. Today did a three mile I was horrible, very slow, very slow time very bad form, and it's great because it's an experience I will now draw on for the rest of my sports career. That'll be fun, too. That'd be fun to go one little thought on Colorado. By the way I've been here before, but I never really noticed it until now Big Time State flag state that stands out to me. There aren't a lot of states in this country. There are a lot of cool state flags, but there are a lot of states where the people are like obsessed with their Steve Leg. It's like it. Maryland and Texas are the two that come to mind and now Colorado and putting them on the list there anyone else to add to. To this list like not not the the question is who has cool state flag. The question is like which people go absolutely ancient for their onstage. I mean California by porn is of the they do love state flag. Yeah, they love the bear and mean North Carolina. They love the state flag. Texas is great yet alone starts AV. Love that's got Jaylen is number one. Jalen has to be. Issues on their uniform Oh. Yeah, they underscore what's reported on your corporate into the school uniforms? Maryland has to be number one. I think Texas because they were their own country. Get really excited about their state flag Colorado's up there. Man I'm seeing a lot of a lot of flying Colorado, state like what about South Carolina I recognize that the Little Palmetto with a crescent moon. Yeah, all right all right moving on. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this the log on Summer Day. The wire Sosa thing I I. It was so fun to rewatch because I remember hating Mark Maguire because again, I was. Those Adul- No. I was a big cubs fan. Growing up. I was eleven years old, and this is going on. This was right in my wheelhouse. I was watching every single cubs game even before Sosa blew up I was what my parents it was is a tradition. Our House they put the cubs game on in front of the TV, dabbed sinners recliner I'd sit in front of TV, Fall Asleep before innings. Wake up my dad, how the hell did the cubs blow of five run lead? We sucks on. That was that was pretty much. Did so I remember Haiti Mark Maguire, but as I've gotten older I couldn't remember that I just hate him because he was on the cardinals, and be so sal this, but watching the documentary, all the feelings came back I. Remember why I hate McGuire. He was just a big meathead Sosa the fun guy, and so so do the hop, so did the kissing camera. Sosa was larger than life personality. Everyone loves him Arba. Choir was just like steroids in human form, and that's all he could do, and that's what I was reminded from this document that was my big takeaway was like. Yes, I. I I hated Mark Maguire much. Mark, Maguire came out like literally out the game this documentary. He says it's not. It's not a problem would be called a power hitter and I think that's pretty much supplants at your mind, mark, Maguire is. He's a man that is built on power any demanded. That's built on home runs, and he's built on the resume right like. He said that he would write this little note to himself, and he would lock it up and then they asked Tony Larussa. Totally Russa's like I never heard that. Which means it probably never had and? Never had a real conversation with Mark Maguire. Mark did. That's cool but you look at the two guys right there like I. Reading articles as I'm watching this I. Just want to see what's going on. In Nineteen, Ninety Eight, I remember watching these games I remember a split of of people right? It was. It was like magic and bird. You have to pick a side. Who are you sort of identifies you are? It's kind of like a a Jeff Gordon Dale. EARNHARDT Type Syndrome right if you will in. In North Carolina North Carolina terms, and the decision was made derive with Sammy Sosa, and the reason that you pointed out is correct, and it's because of the childish you know. Enjoyment Sammy Sosa ahead right Sammy. Sosa looked like a guy that was shocked to be here. Happy to be here loved the moment like you said he loved watching Sports Center in Store got the top ten highlights. It was just so much joy in the other side is pressure. It's. Pressure in a powerful situation and yes, mark mcgwire hit seventy home runs. Yes, mark, Maguire is in the end the winner. What was he really? That's the question. He Mark Maguire needed it. Badly I mean he was talking about like the. Passes with three games left, and they're coming down to the wire and sixty six now maguire sixty five. He he's he's re recalling that and he's like I was not gonNA. Let me win this very important in the eligible and every time Sammy's talking about is just like yeah, you know like. We were having fun out there. It was great like if Maguire beats the record. He's happy for him on. Maguire needed this more than Sammy Sosa. Which is ultimately why Mark Maguire beaten because if Mark Maguire is not known as the best home run hitter of his generation, what is he known for? Each can't do anything else. He can't move if you literally like what he runs, he did you just move right? He says it over and over and over I was put on this earth hit home runs, which is awesome and he was really really good at it, but like that's always why like Sammy? SOSA MOORE'S SAMMY SOSA! Could run, you could steal a base. He actually played like a real position, right? You didn't just stand up first base like. They'll just go step on I and like Mark Maguire was. I almost as I'm hearing myself, talk I almost respected that he just like he found his track. He found his niche and he pushed all the chips into the head. That's all I'm GonNa, do I'm GONNA. I'M GONNA. Do literally nothing else but hill again. It's not an issue to be a power hitter. That's what he said to the people, and if you kind of look at the context, the documentary you mentioned the two guys in the main that we left out, you mentioned the joy of Sosa. There's another guy that was there and like you mentioned growing up at the time I'm from a baseball family. That's my I. Love My First Sport GonNa Durham Bulls on thirty second anniversary. shouts at Durham Bulls and as you're growing up, there's the kid and if your kid, you WanNa, play and be like the kid, and that's Griffey Junior, the all star from nineteen, ninety to nineteen, ninety, nine, the. The guy that is into homerun derby with his hat backwards laugh and having a great time with the best wing that you've ever seen and it was funny like I as I watched the documentary last night. You know you're you're on twitter where we see all the everyone's like. The goats swing right like king, Griffey Junior, and it's one of those things where I get very frustrated when people don't. Engage or play or have any say, but then they make these declarations because it has the frustrate people that actually do these things, but. King Griffey's you swing is so perfect. Right is so poetic that you can say while that is perfect. Right and I and I don't get upset. It's like a Steph Curry. Wow, that's such a beautiful shot. I can't I. Get upset when someone says something about it and King Griffey. Junior is at that type of level of person. He was so affable so likable I don't know if they were doing his q scores, but have to be off the charts at the time. Everyone loves Ken Griffey Office Charts. He, is Griffey is? He's got to be one of the most likeable. The see the comparison. You would make Jordan. We just got done watching the last day dad's. Jordan was a huge star in the nineties. Obviously, Griffey had a signature shoe like one of like four baseball players in history I. Don't know if the numbers that that have had a signature, too. I remember the Ken Griffey's the logo of the swing. The, wrapped around I. Guess that would be the comparison Griffey in the ninety s versus Jordan in the ninety s who was more likeable, but as time has gone all gone on. Stories about Jordan being NASA will come out and then people is competitive, is he? NASA, Whatever Gingrich Junior has more time goes on like people like more almost every time you recall the steroid era, you pointed Ken. Griffey and you're like that guy was hitting fifty six homers in back to back seasons, and he was cleared. Is there. Is there a? More heartbreaking. A more heart breaking news development. I don't really know how to phrase it than if if we all found out that Ken Griffey was actually on steroids like that would that would be the most deflated. Wouldn't that be like? The most deflating story could come out and sports, but. The whole absolutely, but it could. It could not come out mark should. That was the whole point and I remember like being a baseball circles like as the you know the steroid like as the the stories were coming out in every single person was like I. No idea Rafael Palmeiro up there and he's like. I have no idea Roy art. and. You're just like the rumor was. The ruble will was that King Griffey was asked if there was like some sort of deep secret meeting and he's like Nah. You know under the book, said similar things, and it kind of confirmed the fact that we love Ken Griffey, Junior. One of the things I love about Gingrich was that he was the number one pick right, so he had all the pressure in the world, and there's only two people that have been the number. One pick ended up in the hall of fame. Baseball ever. Really Yeah, and it's griffey junior in a chipper Jones, and both those is had all the pressure in the world. Going into right people knew about them. Seeing them play like chipper was a switch hitter. Everyone's like Oh my God. This guy is something else that he's a field or he's got all these different. You know utility whatever all all the height was there. Those guys both delivered and Gingrich junior is on a different pedestal. I don't think there was disrespected included in the race. He was in the raise. pedantic on like when he had. Yeah, I'll be honest. I forgot that he hit fifty six. Now you're. I forgot that back back fifty six because they overshadow them, and that's pretty staggering to think back on the record sixty one I think like when someone hits sixty two and we don't. We don't think he's on steroids. That will be I. Still think that'll be important. It won't be as important as like. When mcgwire hit and everyone their minds about but I still think that will matter I think like when that. If that day ever happens baseball, which I guess, we could talk about that. It looks like it's Never GonNa like baseball stunned forever. What if that happened to get? It would be amazing and for photography. Everyone thinks he's cleaning. There's no reason to think he was doing steroids. It. That's why I think it would just be the most devastating thing ever. He's like the most likable guy everyone is. If, you could, if you could state your reputation on like. Ken Griffey didn't definitely did not take. Steroids were all Rick Reilly with Lance Armstrong on this one, and if we come to find out that he did, it would be the I can't think of anything that would like. Be More. Deflate into my childhood and. Ignored see wasn't like you said. Don't tell me. Tell me anything about that. And you mentioned baseball. Being in one thousand nine hundred baseball doesn't have a world series. That's how little they care baseball was you know supposedly going down at the time? And these guys come back in again. They say it's two guys. They're talking about Maguire and so sad. King Griffey is obviously involved. I think they rod coming in a young era thing, a young Derek jeeter coming into the game, obviously that that juiced up baseball and got people excited about the sport, but there were also eyeballs. They're also I mean Kenny Lofton, like there's so many great players, Sony or I do the braves. The braves staff in the nineties was unbelievable Kerry, would they? Decide, I've ever seen who needs. Viagra when you got would. This is this is. This is the new espn Sunday night should be jus- called like remember the nineties. Great. It was nineties. Recruit right. You know like the last say about Ken Griffey about wise great in this story is like a little somber, but when Payne Stewart Paints her wins, US Open, we remember that Beats Phil was, that was one of my favorite US Open's. Pines a little bit biased, but it was a great moment, and then paint sort has the tragic accident and King. Griffey junior was so moved by that. He wanted to go play for his dad. I played for I. Play for my dad. My brother played for my dad. We we. We played state games travel term. It's all over the world I mean for him to say I want to be close to my family because of that moment that endeared him even more. Because I, it was, it was just like the perfect encapsulation of what you want. Your sports star to be, and it was so pure so smooth and I missed the kid and I. I think you're hitting the nail on the head tate that they should make the documentary about King Rosie. Wire what would have pods? That guy like? He's just so boring, so an interesting such like I, will say the one thing about mcgwire I love and the documentary. Mess up because they subtitle it and they put. He said I don't regret it. I heard it clear. As Day said he's talking about steroid use, he says I don't regret it. If with the subtitle up, this says, and I regret it I. Go back and play it and I was like he clearly said I. Don't regret but I like I like. To try to cover to cover for the last thing I can say about Margaret to confirm all the points that we've made before about him. Being what you call it Putz. Karl Malone did take it back to basketball. We'll get back to Carlos watching the man hit, but right right. Yeah, I practiced with Carl. Malone sound like someone that we want to revere as a superstar at least own our show. WE'RE GONNA keep it with Sosa Ingrain Wild Jordan, Jordan Sosa or the guys. You Know Maguire Malone. Yeah Yeah okay So the the to bring it full circle. I think I think what's would become fascinated like first of all. Everyone, remember like you touched on it. Ninety four strike happens. Sorry. I'm up fired up about king griffey junior I police listeners I think I might start Kim Griffey junior docu series on my own. Should we absolutely should just be relaxed trance the when the thirty for thirty griffey happens, it should just be two hours of him swinging just over and over. And Shaggy and running down fly balls in Centerfield, making diving catches, and that's it and it's just like yeah, no words nothing else. It's just a two hour hike. Crowd noise from people reacted. Zoo in the ninety four strike, and then these guys say baseball they get credited, maybe not exactly these guys, but that air of baseball after ninety four Erg Matic's guys were doping before ninety four, but like after ninety four would. It became widespread. Everyone's shoved noodles into each other's asses. That's just the way things were back then all I saw my mind is Jason Giambi mark with needles out with Jose can take. So obviously. These guys aren't going to make the hall of fame anytime soon if they ever do CB SOSA mark mcgwire Barry Bonds as the other one which I do, love bonds coming in at the end like bonds bonds is like Thanos your, they dislike show at the very hid he's. Like there's some moral ambiguity with Sosa and mcgwire. It's like do we cheer for this guy? We not share then show bonds, and you just read. Just go back to that moment in time. You hated him so much like everybody I know hated bonds, but like respected the hell out of it cannot look away, but like there's though there is no sense of like man I really WanNa. See this guy succeed. Time I'm not going to turn the TV off. The only thing that I wanted to see was the people in the canoes go after the baseball and I wanted to see. Jeff can't try to fight him and trying to stop him for breaking the record. That was the only. Like we'll get to fight barry bonds and stop him. It's such a weird dichotomy because like I, wanted every time bonds. We talked about this a few shows ago. Whatever bonds was? If I knew he was up to bat I was running my TV and it on, and I wanted to see him smash the Hell I. Want to see him at six hundred feet. But at the same time that guy to have no success ever. You're such a turn lake. You know so unlikable, so he was I dunno so fascinating to have yet. Griffey who like everyone love Sosa mcgwire Kinda like in the middle ground like if you're a fan of them, you kind makes us is forum you're like. Look the other way, not really notice mark. mcgwire's neck keeps growing every month in the bonds comes along, and you're like all right. This is comical. This is like I. Kids here for this Guy, but at the same time. This is pretty fucking. Awesome the. Bob? which it leaves, the begs the question. Like where are where do we stand like this is what me and my dad always talking about like. Where do we stand on? 'cause Roger Marris in our mind is still don't record older because here's not tainted. Everyone saw it was beautiful. It was majestic. It has his purity to it in fact like to me like Griffey, hitting fifty six back to back could be argued as maybe more impressive than the sixty one at one season high standard. Because I it took it took this current clustered going on with MLB right now manfred submarine. The America's greatest pastime. For me to see it clearly years I feel I think sixty one is the record I think Maris's record stands as I said if the moment comes that a guy who knows not dopey breaks the record. It's GonNa. Be Awesome. I'M GONNA. Love it I. Think a lot of baseball pure sugar gonNA go nuts as though Maguire's. But I also think all the steroid guy should be in all of and I. Think it took this current situation for me to see it that way because I think I would have flip flopped day to day. Given like should should mark mcgwire Sammy. Sosa Barry Bonds all because it clearly cheated and you can't I mean. You kind of have to punish them. Somehow made a lot of sense for them not to be what It's become clear to argument for me becomes. Is this business or is this like? The. respecting the sanctity of the game, and for the longest time like the argument was these guys do not respect the sanctity of the game. Don't take steroids because it just like it ruins it solely as the good. You know the good game that we all know and love. But you could argue like as you said. Ninety four strike happens if not for these guys doing steroids into smashing the shit out of the ball. Does it save baseball? Do they not like is their job was their job not to hit it? Mark Maguire says let's put it on the hit home. So it's his job to preserve the sanctity of baseball and keep pure or as his job to be an entertainer and bring in as much money as possible for his franchise for Major League Baseball as a whole, I think as this whole thing has played out currently with Major League Baseball. It's becoming clear that the major league baseball as it stands today, not care about the game of baseball. They care about the business side of it. It they care about the dollars and cents in the numbers, so with that in mind why why should Sosa in bonds of Maguire who like their entire existence was? We don't care about baseball either. We care held the numbers we care about smashing the shit out of the ball hitting Dinger's eddie long balls making money that is what matters most not like you know using the same piece of wood. The Babe Ruth used to hit. The game pure as all these other guys did. They were trying to make money and that's. That's the game stance today. So I say. Let Him in the hall thin. That's where I stand, but sixty one is still the sixty one the record and I. I agree with those points I will say this look. I think the MLB. If there was a be hall fame. Yeah, they're all on them that they may have started the MLB. Hall of fame. That might be the first two guys that are put into this. Yeah! But what we're talking about is those guys. The profitability in the business boost to justify cheating to break a sanctified record redmond thirty there. You know what I mean. They're ruined like they should not be in the baseball hall of fame. They could be in the new revamped MLB Bohol. Like. Whoever else makes the money like over the years? They're like yeah, any sort of superstar that we have you know like Derek. JETER could be in the hall of fame and the base fame sure. A boat. Lebron there for You know like when he goes to the Indians Games. Brown is US put like put W in there for Ruben. The first pitch after nine eleven. That alone gets you in be hall of fame is Derek Jeeter toss is in, both and that's the only one that's. A great moment and also great baseball play. It was like yeah that works out if you if you advance the business of MLB. Putting them. It'll be also I like that. That's a great. That's a great Otani just got put into each. Her. Bo Jackson should be there. You know like I'll. He's in the mobile for Dion Sanders, one hundred percent and we'll be holiday. I like this idea. This is great I was ready to come on to the show and make the argument. That baseball is not dead up because I think that's where a lot of people went to is like man. The nineties were so much more fun. Why is baseball not as fun now? I can't even might trout could walk down. Broadway and a lot of people do know who he was, and it's so crazy. How Ken Griffey used to be able to not do that. I think that's where a lot of people are going. I was ready to make. The case is a guy who covers a sport that gets accused of Dying College basketball I was ready to make a case. Baseball's not in fact, they clarification, and then the news broke today. Rob Manfred is the worst commissioner of all time and is running. This thing into the ground and baseball might actually be dead so. I don't know. Great Time. trae timing I I. Hope Baseball isn't dead. I, do have a lot of faith in what you're talking about. Though to Stodgy the there's always an uptick in people having interest when they see something that is successful. People are like Oh, I! Remember that like maybe I do want to look and see who's on the mets and they look, and they're like, Oh yeah never. But you're the Yankees. They have real reasons to be excited. Some of the premier team the dodgers I would say of reasons, but I think the Astros of the teams that I think they killed baseball well De. Stealing size way worse than steroids in my opinion, chasing regularly is. This is my point that the MLB I can't believe. I skipped over that when I was making my point earlier. They're like the MLB standard as clearly all about business that if they if they wanted to protect the the game, why would you not well? How do their Astra stuff world series? It makes no god, Dave, sense so put all that. Let's Sosa come. Come back to Wrigley for God's Sakes. That is that is that that is the ultimate embarrassment that Mark mcgwire's get put the hall of fame, and he's got the crocodile tears as he's give species like you know, he's pretending like those four and a half years for the best Saint Louis, which is like how I think that's the only time mark requirement back soon. Rejected paid. Play there what to see all that and understood. Have so so be never welcome back as it that he did steroids which I do like that. They showed the congressional testimony were that was one of the funding I I vividly remember that happening when Sosa forgot how to speak English. Lawyers by, but he's like. He was. Like I'm so sorry like I wish I could talk always I. Get A. Hours of footage interviews, what are you doing? Please believe me. So. Anyway it was a it was a fun trip down memory lane I enjoyed it, but the big takeaway is mark. Maguire kind of a Putz Gingrich Junior, hitting fifty six. We should not have glossed over. That much should've talks about that more. Morenz enough baseball, Tae, let's let's get to it. Let's get to your you love and tar heels. Come on this program he is, he is a Tarheel or is he? I don't know Pittsburgh Panther now that that's something I guess the figure out what the straighten out them His name is Jason Capel. 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There, it is, that's by RECON. Dot Com slash tate for fifteen percents off RECON wireless ear buds by rake on R. A. Y. C.. O. N. DOT, com slash tape. Are joining us now is an assistant coach at Pittsburgh. Here's one of the few few four year. Starters North Carolina his also one of. Two people that have gotten a triple double and the story history of North Carolina Bath, mom. His name is Jason Cable Coach capable. I WANNA start here. Your brother is as kind of build a reputation. His coaching career as being a great recruiter You are now an assistant under your brother. My question to you is what was the recruiting pitch to you to get you to successfully take a jog. Your brother. Well true story always actually on air live. it was one of the Post season tournaments I was on ESPN. I was in Texas North Texas against San, Francisco in the championship. of the postseason tournament they were in. As Yo. And Look my brother and I are best friends so I. Know when I get a check the stereo. Is something pretty important. Look, I knew before everybody else. He was going to pin okay so I knew Smith. And I just tried to put it away because I had the focus on the game. And then from there I had to fly to New, York to do some things to finish up the season. And so we didn't have a conversation to a couple of days later, when I got back in north, Carolina and already knew what it was. A well his. I need you. Still without consulting my wife without selling my kids I committed to move interest. Wow, after having only. Lived in a house that we had just bought eight months prior. So it took. It was one text message Joe. Planted the seed all he said. Yeah I knew already again. I mean keeping quiet. Being Coy when people are asking me, he's GonNa. Take the job but I knew, and so when I got a text message. I kind of knew where it was going Oh. My God that is. That is a hell of a recruiter. For the players to just text our. Powerful. It's just one word coach capable. I want to take it back to your playing days. Back to nineteen ninety-seven and and go back. You're talking about your brother. Obviously was at do. He spends four years at Duke and North Carolina guys ourselves. We know about your brothers. Big Half Court heave. Everyone sees that shot. Every time we get the rivalry going, but for your your recruitment process. You're playing with Ronald Curry. Right on the high school circuit seen. How did you let him know that you were going to go to his rival? Did you say one word like Carolina or did you say yo I mean? Did he know that you were going to Carolina? What was that like? If we'd be truthful? We both grew up North Carolina. It's kind of hard not to. Say North Carolina. North Carolina was one of his final choice. It was do care. And a true story. When Duke and Carolina where recruiting my brother. I'd be up the street at a friend's house. Coats Smith's car. Come by coach goes forward I see coach K.'s car come by with coach anchor. Man. I would get on my bike and put a home. I could. And while they're in the living room. Soak into my brother. My parents I'm in the back yard, trying out in my. Guts. I'm eleven. You guys are going to see me. It was always gonNA. Come down to going to North Carolina plans for my dad. My Dad was a finalist for ACC job. He didn't get it. Had He got the I would have gone with term. So once, that didn't happen. He told me to take him out of the equation and when I go to old, dominion if he wasn't there, you know we knew the answer to that. And it's dominion. He this knew how much I want it to play in the AFC. For North Carolina specifically for Coachman. And unfortunately I wasn't able to play for coach Smith. For God that was almost exactly like bill got to. I had a great relationship with until his final days, and that's something very very thankful for from my memory. It's basically like you and Mike Bibby are the two guys I think of as guys who didn't play for their dads. Were Division One coaches at the time, but you seem to say that your dad wasn't recruited year or wasn't recruiting. was. Recruited wasn't saying like go Carolina. He was definitely recruiting me. I remember waking up one morning, and there was a newspaper clipping of. Through made the shot. In his dad, so yeah, he was actively. She started. Look at this moment. Your own the. Say Sixteen I got a real nice car, so. Yeah, he's got an advantage over that. He wanted things that were good for me and I think he knew that again he he took his coaches at all, but it dad had on. And He knew I wanted to planning NASC-. And it's pretty ironic that my freshman year we played against. And squeak out a win with the coat of Florida I have to ask you Jason One of the things about tobacco road, and the rivalry is it? There's a lot of mythology right? There's a lot of. He said she said there's a lot of back door. Rumors that go on in one of those rumors. That coach K. in one, thousand, nine, hundred five decided to have back problems and a give himself a little bit of arrest. Right and your brother was there during the time. You're watching those games. Games and you see that happen, and then you come your freshman year North Carolina and there were some rumors. You don't play in the Duke Finale because you had a back injury for practice. What you set the record straight that you are not pulling a coach. K. Here, you this was. This was a real injury. You took a charge against UNC Charlotte or someone like that are early on in the season that irritated your back, but then you miss the duke finale and we needed you in that game. Freshman, Jason Sit in threes at the time. So can you debunk this rumor? You were hurt right correct. I've never heard that rumor before in my life, okay. I'M GONNA. Say just made enough. You can take the quotations off. Coats back was hurt. Oh. Okay and for me personally. I listen. I was told at thirteen years old. Greensboro Day school. I would never have a basketball career. My back was messed up. Right I I had back surgery. And nineteen years old at North Carolina I remember that ever you remember like I. Would Miss Games during the year I would get shots on ways. They select the play on a Saturday. look I played a lot longer I see a lot. Didn't you know but? The cards were stacked against me so. I wasn't hurt. Look, you had the premium court. I. It was one of those things Jayson where there was just too many. There is there's a closest to. Is Mistrust early on. We didn't know it was your best one game. Only game and you came back to. Do I miss I. Miss The game. It wasn't because of my back I had mono. I had mononucleosis how I got it. Hey, man, guessing good mark, but it wasn't because of the back okay got. You Times one of the few times. Good. I didn't play for anything other than my back. Because I was always injury I couldn't help but notice that you were defending. Coach stayed there for a second. Does the fact that your brother played at Duke? Because I'm thinking about my date. And I both have brothers, and if my brother if we were good enough to be as good as you guys were, and my brother played at my rival, it would make me hate my rival, even more Almost feels like you guys like like you don't WanNa take shots. Do because like you have an affinity for your brother like you know it. Is that a? Where do you stand on the rivalry? Given that your brothers on the other side and you don't want to necessarily hate him. Obviously, let's do plan for four years and there was a period I wasn't. There are some duke players I categorically do that like. But Tony. For me. Man Coast kids on a lot for me a lot from my family When I was working at television, he did a lot from my career, so allow me to progress, and and and and really had my back So you never hear me say anything negative about about coach. K., because he's. He's a good man who did a lot for my brother. Not just as a player, but you know after Oklahoma bringing them back. and for me personally for my dad he does a lot for us. The capable family and I'm very grateful very thankful, and so no, no problems coast guests. That's not the answer everyone here. Jason we WANNA hear. I know it's not you know what that's not. Fair! No. Shirt, that's. I think what about what about you your brother's Jersey? Where were you? Was there any jealousy there or is that just cool was? Is there any party? That's like a big time jealousy I? Yeah, okay, how was the? Pitcher Buck on my wall behind me somewhere all right so the fact that he wore the number five. I have to believe. Pot would've lived. Saw Point. You had to Carolina Twenty okay all right. All right. I have to believe that as well. Jason at Your Sophomore Year, you win for the most inspirational player at the at the UNC sports banquet at the end of the year, and that is given to you because you take the most charges on the team, and you lead the team in free throw percentage. Did Coach K. reach out to you at that point and say you really you really let me talk. To. GotTa do. What Coach K. recruited me I think the biggest reason for that award was. Only taking the charges, but she said Sophomore Year. Look I, learn walk again after March after surgery. You remember we lost the. We stayed in the first round. You know my freshman year and I had surgery three days later. I didn't play much nobody. If maybe one possession so That was coming back from injury at a good year. My Sophomore Year. Statistically we won you know and got to the final four I think those are the reasons, but doing dirty taking charge. Whatever it took the win. Like I'd the players coach now the wings, the guy that kind of do everything. What's your job everything? Job Everything I forgot to mention that you also led the team in three point percentage. So that's another thing for do. That is just ridiculous. Way Hey listen to. Tom Had Batty. They had shoot. Look that that's my freshman year. It was one of the best thing that they want to championship. Labor, brand and trading. Oh Man, it was those ridiculous Eddie coming off the bench. Batty urges. They had dudes man. Who It was ridiculous mentioned being on the two thousand final four team A. You're also I. I I shudder to bring it up, but you're also on one of the worst North Carolina teams ever so what which experience the reason I mentioned? It is that you experience the ultimate high. Didn't quite when the national change of the vital four you experience, the the low of lows, the player being on a really bad steam which which experienced you draw in more as a coach. Do you find yourself drawing on more? Were you're telling guys like? Hey, I've been here like this is how you make a final four, you like. Hey, I've been on bad teams. This is things we did. Don't do this do this instead. Well Bo, both you know I. Think my brother and I both are in a unique situation that look. He played for National Championship I played in the final four. The year coach K. was out. They weren't very good. You draw them both so guys. Until guys with really gamble real life experiences that they're going to be tough times. You gotta work your way throwing. And collectively if you worked together during understand, you need each other, you can accomplish so much, so I had two great years North Carolina again. I talked about experiencing something I wanted to play for coach. Smith played for gut coach for when those guys retired. Things were different, and that's just the way things go, but I value all my experiences I learned a lot. I made some lifelong friends met my wife so things things worked out worked worked out for me Beata. Head coach now now you're an assistant, obviously your brother so. In between you'd get a lot of broadcast and you're great at that. We enjoyed that I'm always fascinated by guys that dabble in broadcasting and then get into coaching. At what point are you like? Maybe I WANNA. Try Head coaching again. What are you like? Maybe I should get back into broadcast and I was great at that. How. How guys because this happens a lot coaching? Guys get the broadcasting, and then they just stick broadcasters forever and never really revisited. You make those decisions well for me. Look I went into the school when I majored in communications with the mindset that I would go into television I told bitel McDonald's all American game I was going to work with him one day. so that was my goal I played played in Japan, playing the D.. League played in Italy traveled the world. Career was cut short because my back and I went right into television or Paret Com sports Jimmy Ray barone Rob Reich that A. Huge favor by giving a guy with no experience opportunity. In the second year. Doing television look. I had never not been on a team before. And so I the part of the team at the time My Dad was with the Charlotte Bobcats, but Peterson work there and I knew buzz was going to get the job at at and so we just kind of happened to be around every day. I saw me so at that point. It was easy This one was difficult. If I'm being honest you know if it wasn't my brother out of probably saints elevators, I enjoy TV You know. We were calling in in Charlotte, but it's my brother. He said he needed me. There's something I know I'm good at and I can help them build something and I it. It feels like my dad, not being here, but he still has a hand in everything that happened you know for us to be together and try to build this program back up. His dreamers plasterwork the just the brother relationship ever interfere with the coaching relationship like. Do you ever got you? Guys Ever Butt heads and he's like trying to give you a Wedgie in the film room. Or something like that. These. I was so. That I. That's the bottom line, but. It's cool to work with somebody like we both know you know inside jokes of. Things we can? We were kids. Somebody can say one thing one word, and we look at each other, because it triggered something in our minds. Kids so that's very cool, very cool. And Tyson I. Talk About this alive at the ACC. We mention coach K. and coach, Williams and that old guard of coaches, right the ACC you having your your dad being around those guys and you and your brother, you know, go to Duke and Guararema you gotTa have the secret. Have the AC secret, but in your at Pittsburgh. You feel like. There is some Some people are aware of the fact like it's coach. K. intimidated by the fact that you and your brother or under. Coach! Those guys they're not. Out But. There's a level of respect. Obviously look I was a ballboy at wake forest back into monthly both days on my brother where my dad was assistant in there I grew up in an ACC. You know in in in in school during the tournament. You're not doing schoolwork role in the cars with the big cities that don't. Basketball instead so you know I. Know the League. We know the League and. I think we're going to ask some success on. It part of taking over a pit. Is You guys have just completely revamped? The brand of the culture of Pitt basketball before before the cables arrived the Pittsburgh. The Ron of coaches was been Alan Jamie Dixon and Kevin Stalin's. stylistically, which like to an outsider, looking in a pretty boring stretch of coaches, if we're being honest and one of the things that stood out to me is immediately just like the social media presence, but a lot of the things you guys are doing does feel like a it almost might. Jump to the question. Is this a conscious decision from you guys to like look at the brand of Pitt basketball and be like this is this is boring. We have to make this cool, or is it just Kinda naturally happen? Well. I don't think borings the word but we wanted to make it our own. I mean we're which is being who we are. and and and and in this day and age recruiting kids like you have to adapt like their world social media there were. Pockets of a minute two minutes of information with some graphics and sneakers and things like that they're into so you have to be cots just to continue to evolve and understand. What's our audiences and for US recruiting? Our audience, our eighteen to twenty two year old kids, and starts to obviously younger than that, but you have to adapt. Do they are and for us? We just wanted to be who we are. This a the city with pride. It love sports that loves basketball. City champions deserves a winner. It's our job to win again and we're looking forward to that. We wanted to ask about adapting coast. Because you've put it out to the world, you know you, you said any players that come to pit. You're welcome to voice your opinion. We're obviously living in the world. We're living in now, you. You said you're welcome to speak your mind. You obviously have black. Black head coach there at a proud program at ACC that that has the different thing than we've seen you know in some other circles as you see it some other pockets, and then we see someone like Mikey Williams. Come out and say you know I would. I would consider an HP. You and we're. We're talking about adapting to the current climate of players D-. How do you do that? Do you of leave that up to the players specifically, what is that role for you guys in that sense well again the thing we did currently with all this going on in the world we talked to I players yet you immediately and allow them to talk. We listened, and we allowed them to get their feelings out their emotions out You know whatever it may be. The thing we do is look if you feel something and you don't want to speak about it, speak about these are young men. These would be. The young men and women that changed the world for all of us. and. They're not afraid. And they have things to say. We. Want them to say we want them to continue to do their research and learn about things are talking about things they feel, but if you fill, say it if you don't you don't have to. But if there's something you feel strongly in your heart, and you have a conviction for it. Then by all means we want him to be its vocalist possible because that's how you bring about change. Being, quiet, not being quiet them the sidelines and I'm going to bring about change. Any people to speak up. Speak Out. We need more leaders that are fearless and then look this. This isn't just going to end next week like this is something that we as a nation have to continue to work at and again I truly believe that the young people why kids black kids everything in between. These the people that are going to change the world. And it's just exciting to see the new leaders having a voice finding their way and using your voice is very powerful. I'm seeing a lot of people are discussing black coaches in college basketball I saw an article not too long ago. Eighty percent of the major conference players are black fourteen percent of the head. Coaches are black. This is obviously a problem and and with that more so in your role. I'm curious your thoughts on this. This idea that the typical coaching staff around the country will have typically like one black is an assistant coach and he's the recruiter. What what are your thoughts on that like that that stereotype inter? Well I think that's all sports. Look at football I'm many offensive coordinator, so you know. Maybe it's a defensive coordinator, but not many office coordinators. and I think that's wrong. I think it's wrong that you know you look at black coaches that simply recruiters. you look at black coaches, just the guys that can go out and accumulate the talent and make everyone comfortable you know, make mom and dad comfortable. Make the kick comfortable. That's categorically wrong. I think they're allowed to talented coaches. I think there are a lot of talented black coaches. I think you look at some of the HTC users, some of the best black coaches. Some of the best coaches in the country. Just don't get the opportunity. I think that's unfortunate. I think when you talk about that. You need to look at having some more leadership. Any departments law people have called. You know it starts from the top down. Athletic Directors people that have titles they can go out provosts. Chancellors that can make these decisions so for me. Look I'm a coach. I've been a head coach. I've been in assistant coach. My job is to help. These young men get better. Graduate and chase their dreams, and in the process, showing them that they have to continue to mature become men men that are going to be head of households one day. And so being coaches much more than just extra knows much more than recruiting. You're trying to build young men into who their parents sent them all to become. And so I think more black coaches get opportunity and when they get those opportunities. I think they should be given the same Leeway. If you will you know not just two years other workout fire. You know not just to fill some sort of quota. Give him an opportunity. Your your father started a huge. Our state before. Yeah, that's what I that's. What I. Stay anywhere, day and Then I. He's one of the few that the very handful of black coaches who have. been at HCC you and then able to move to an old dominion, and so. I think I mean we've seen some guys get those opportunities. I think we'll see more because they're a really good coach to win every year. Graduate players who do things the right way that more than deserve. A legit opportunity. Right here here we did it. We tried it two years now, and you know legit opportunity to run a program to beat space of a program at some of these excellent universities. and. We saw it this year right in College Basketball Anthony Grand Date and someone that in Alabama maybe didn't get that full leeway or runway, or whatever you want, say and now he's a date, and then he's able to get that program back the disciplinary it hasn't been since the nineteen sixties, and he's considered one of the best coaches in college basketball. At one time, people were like I. Don't know about Anthony Grant or at least that was the general consensus so having those types of stories well to build off, of I think as a real, you know good, peg in into what we can build on future of college coaches. I hope at least. Two. Brothers there are the Hurley brothers. They're the Zeller's there. They're all type of brothers in a game of basketball and and families that are involved in the game of basketball of course. Is there any sort of rivalry that you have with another group of brothers. Within the basketball world. That you like. Is it the Hurley's? The Millers Szanto. Miller's well I look I think when you look. duos know I. Mean you know the Curry's it only ones that are probably above us. You know you look at brothers. you look at God good the most if we're talking about stacks. All Right? Yeah, one that play the national championship, Who's won at ACC championship? One wanted played in the final four. This one ACC championship I'm not sure that many of those guys can say that and then when you go down steps, bobby had great stats. Dan, you know. Dad had pretty good stats and you know. He went through the things that he went through but from my brother and I both you know through and bad times. You Look at towers do Carolina to both come out how we did and able to produce how we did. Speak talks. I have to ask this question. Jason do you. Take responsibility for Davidson being at the forefront. Because the two schools that were that the world showed the North Carolina introduced the world. We can for state, and then you know however many years later. They get Dame Lillard! And then Davidson you guys lose the Davidson and then steph curry comes later so do you take credit for those two schools? Because I think you should. We Se. Sure okay. Herald arsenault and Gil the Point Guard might grab. They were. I've been that showed that anybody could be you know the thing that I can think about. I didn't play in that game. You know what I made. The difference I don't know are thirty five baby. Probably not but I liked the padded opportunity and Davidson. We lost a Hampton that year to who was a good Hampton team, but Everybody got a crack us, my your. Let's be honest. What Does David? You know you know I l I mean different things we squeak by Binghamton, It was a down year for reasons much greater than just what was happening on the basketball court gave much much greater. Greater! I sure coach. We appreciate you making some time for us in candidate. Open this fun, we. We wish you luck in this season. Assume the season I think we're going to have a season. I'm I'm thinking season's GonNa happen so We wish you luck. We appreciate it. Thanks for joining. US thank God everybody stays safe. Right yes. All right quickly tape before we go. We have to give our MBA update we have to. We have to go over this. which should changes so often? It might be deemed relevant by the time. Excuse me. This actually runs. Here's here's where we stand now on Friday I believe it was Friday night Cairo debate Kyrie Irving, who was the vice president of the NBA leads this call with say. Eighty I saw a lot of numbers being thrown out over one hundred over two hundred. Up to seven thousand. Davis said only ten people spoke so. We're on the call. Only ten people talk. Yeah, who who knows like WHO's given the number out there like you know. Should have done that it should have you'd have. The NBA makes up for the the the cut in pay and trying to come up revenue streams. It should have made a pay per view calls like everyone. If you pay five bucks, you can listen in on the call. On a money it would have been a ton of money, and Kyrie would've made a lot of enemies baby. Yeah, yeah, so would be a lot of so kyrie leads us. leads the phone call he is, he's basically leaning towards not playing for good reason. I think every every viewpoint is valid i. a lot of people are are making fun of current. Current easy target. He's a flatter there whether he is or not just troll on who the hell knows, but he's on record as saying there might be flat us. Oh, he is kind of he's done himself. No favors in the past with some of the bizarre stuff. He says so when it comes out. That Kyrie Irving is leading the charge for trying to make this decision. Understandably, a lot of people are like. Is this the guy we wants to be in the driver's seat but be that as it may, his viewpoint is still valid. He thinks that he he seems to be of the opinion that it would be a wasted opportunity that we're in the middle of this. Black lives matter movement. America's the black community seems to have America's attention and soon now start playing. NBA Games it would divert attention away from the cause that matters most that is ultimately retiree is coming from. He found very Kyrie ways to say to make that point like saying something smells fishy, but not exactly although that was, that wasn't a direct quote, right that was like with someone said the guess should kill them too much for that, but like reading too close in your leg. That doesn't quite make sense to me, but I like the overall point I'm with them. So. That's where he stands. Meanwhile, the brand is seeing all the reports. Say Lebron. Unsurprisingly wouldn't mind having a chance to win a title as he is in his twilight years of his career so Yeah who the hell knows. woge woke knows and won't read the whole report on this, and he said you know. Basically we have what you just said. You lay the stage for. It is Kyrie irving versus Lebron James, but not really because Kyrie Irving is trying to it at one point. They said the Kyri had talked to the NBA establishment. They said that he was on terms. He understands they should like he understands the tournament in understand why they. They have to do it. You gotta you gotTa. You gotta, but then he was adding separate phone calls people saying you know he was outraged, so there was back and forth so than I think this call is like questions and concerns, and I it. The Flat Earth thing that you brought up. The reason that Kyrie has this is because he didn't really address anything, and then he came out. He said I disliked. Ask questions. Is like? One of those grayer. You can't just say that. Leave that open ended, but also if you were one of those who says I'd like to ask questions, you want to be that person that we right. Now, I think what Kyrie is doing is actually He is hauling Lebron's bluff. Rape is Lebron James. The man that you know more than a vote initiatives happening is against the idea that he will shut up and dribble and Kyrie Irving says well abroad. If you play in this tournament in Orlando you are shutting up in dribbling, you're part of the problem. Yeah, you are doing that, so you're. You're vestige would. Would be. You would be a hypocrite and I think that is unfortunately. What is there like a layer of that? That is involved in this that is bringing up. You know some of these other old situations and I think what Lebron I feel bad for Lebron right. You're in a bad position, right? You have to make this is this is a business decision that is now becoming a moral decision. RIGHT AS A. Spot He I. If you. If you want to play, and you try you push the charge to play. You might look like you're. You don't actually care about the causes. You pretend you know you're. You're putting yourself to care about if you don't play. We are on the heels of Michael Jordan. It's. Made almost exclusively to tell the world I'm better than Lebron James and I'm a I'm a greater competitor and he is so if you don't play you run the risk of that criticism of like. Are Are you scared of Jordan? Is this is this and how is this a convenient out for you? Your which is I guess that's a stupid Chris is. It is it is in the other part. The KYRI thing is like again. Like I think is overall. Point makes a lot of sense. You just exactly the way he goes about. It is to just leave people with more questions than answers, especially when Dwight Howard seems to be like his. Most vocal ally is you have these two guys that have again? which also makes that strange to that? Dwight is on Lebron's team is so if he's Lebron's team and saying that he doesn't WanNa. Play the that team is implicated because they had. They are not a united front there. KYRA is it should be noted is not playing in this whether it comes back or not. Kyrie's out not playing in this thing, so it's kind of a people. Find that strange that he's there. But then the question becomes like I guess. Maybe. You don't need an answer to this right now, but I guess the question becomes like what exactly is discovery one. What will get him back on the court? What is it that like the people that are saying? We're not going to to play basketball until like the changes are made I. Mean like all that is great, but then what does that look like is Kyrie Irving. Is this meeting never going to be on about like? If this if this fight say like first of all racism I mean. I would love to be proven wrong. I don't think racism is ever going to be fully solved as you were towards changing. Systemic things in our society, obviously in in pull it back towards a more acceptable level but I don't think it's ever like there's no. There's no magic pill. Is Kyrie Irving saying I'm prepared I think he did say that prepared to give it all up for Is that the implication here? I guess that that part is slightly frustrating because he what? What does what is it that you exactly want like if you came out and he said we want this this and this. We want police departments funded. We want more resources allocated here we want doesn't like that makes a Lotta sense and you kind of hold. If we're treating this as a player lockout, you can then like. You State your demands than the NBA or whoever the powers that be you know they. Satisfy those demands in the now. The players are back, but I think that that kind of is a little bit frustrating for people that he's not exactly clear on what they want. but I. Don't think you have to be I think like. There's plenty of time. I think they're just trying to have a dialogue. SUSS it all out. But ultimately I do think it would probably be better coming from someone other than Kyrie, but there does seem to be a lot of a lot of players that are taking a side so i. don't know this is a the important point here is that we are no closer to know we'd. Definitely. Definitely and it seems like to me Martinez. You would have had dialogue before you announce that you're going to have this tournament and it's already official thing and I think that's that to me. Says more about the NBA. On the front office sided less about the players and I. Don't blame any player for having reservations, I also don't have. Don't blame players like Pat Beverley speaking the truth, which you and I know what the truth is. If Lebron James wants to play, he's the most valuable figure that they have. NBA They're gonNA play. That, how do you? How do you take his tweet? He said his tweet was for those who missed it pat, Beverley tweeted hooper. Say What y'all want. If King, James, hoop and we all who've been not personal only business hashtag. Stay woke up one hundred. Did you. Take this as I. See this as two different statements being made by Patrick Beverley, I drew your thoughts are. Is he saying that. We're all fall in line behind. King James because he is the face of this league. I'm glad you agree with me because I read, this is Pat Beverley is kind. Throw in shape, abroad say. Who the hell. Because, everyone that I've seen everyone I've talked about. This thinks that Pat Beverley. They don't understand the I try to say. It's the other day. The difference and generations and what people don't understand the generation above you and I, they are literal. They are direct. In the is when they question. They say I. Want a water when you ask Kyrie Irving someone of my generation, we wanNA water like I. Don't know maybe what is water. Yeah Yeah I don't think even water and you have to read the message. You have to read the message of this generation right so they're not reading. The Room and Pat Beverley is I. think he can play both sides of that like Wrec, but he also could play the passive aggressive game, and that was the most passive aggressive thing I've ever read a busy said Lebron's in with the League league and Lebron avert decided. We're playing. Playing, so you're planning might as well get ready because we're playing right. Yes, thank you, thank you. That's exactly I read it to I. Had People I had one guy made the point to me that the Hashtag stay woke was Pat Beverley calling on You know all all of the all of the players to stay in the in the lane. Keep their eye on the black lives matter movement, or which would be the woke movement. Someone tried to explain like that's what they thought to stay. And I was like no, he's saints. Stay woke as though he's like everyone can talk all you want you, can you could? Austin rivers can offer his thoughts, which is valid viewpoint that he said you know we should. Maybe we should play and use our platform to further our message. Very League. Yes, that's a great great great point. I don't know Kyri has a different point. Pep Beverly is saying all of that is great. You can all argue amongst ourselves, but at the end of the day there's one man makes that decision and his name is Lebron James. Labor plan that's that's the. Dissenting opinion may be Kyrie Irving honestly I think the reason that Kyrie had to be the voice because his. He is speaking to Lebron James via the players association. He's talking to Chris. Paul Chris Paul talking to Lebron James and Adam silver. You know what I mean. Those guys are all in conjunction with each other, and that is what this is i. think that's why another player. That's why I think Kyrie had to do it and I think that's probably why. He's frustrated because he's like y'all don't WanNa. Say Anything so I'm the one that's happened. Because I'm the only one I can stand up to like already did before I said I wanted to trade out of Cleveland. But, so far, it's eight. We're only talking about the the social issues at play here. which again that's one of. What ten thousand that they have to sort out between now and July thirtieth. Woes tweeted on Wednesday that the players could sit out and face no consequences. This was some players decide to take the the social stance, but they feel more obligations and not be distracted on is their point of view. He, he said last. What was reported last Wednesday that the players could do so and face. No consequences still get paid whatever they will get paid. If they went, there'd be no punishment. Now. Reports are coming out that if they don't go, there will have their pay docked they they need the only reason. Not go now is a medical excuse. You have to feel threatened by. The covid situation or some there has to be so you have to get a doctor's note basically is what we seem to believe. Meanwhile, Danny Green I love this. I wanted to make this point. I WANNA make sure I. Make this point because. CanNot have Danny Green Knack connected the DOTS here NBA. Danny Green is the Lakers. PA REP so. He did interview with USA. Today, obviously the Lakers are one of the few teams have shadow one title, so all eyes are on L. A.. Are they gonNA WANNA play or not? He was asked about it. He said the big hangup right now for guys. The guys that he's talking to the biggest concern is the. The hotel situation namely who is allowed in out like why I think I think the NBA initially said families are allowed. The guys were singular like now hang on a second I. have needs to I don't necessarily need to play with my kids and my wife dinner, but I do have needs of different kind and Why can't I have people come visit me. So his, he said that his biggest concern seems to be where they draw that line this. This interview happened on Saturday eight on Monday. The daily record in this news broke Danny. Green is engaged to be married. I ask you are the dots connected is Danny Green, getting feedback that wives and fiancee's the only ones allowed, so he's like Shit I got to propose. So so I can get my girlfriend in there is that what happened you? One hundred percent and I saw that he said. I don't know why it's taken this long. It's been five beautiful years together. I. Don't know what hit me, but this Sunday when I was talking to Lebron and They had two. Girlfriends aren't allowed. To official I said to myself. Every kiss begins a case I gotta go. You'RE GONNA out. Agreed Yeah I was I was I, was conducted so that one yeah, that's a great one. That's a great. That makes a lot of sense to, and honestly that almost confirmed it pat. Beverly's Paso tweet. Digging Danny Green. Getting engage says yes. We will have basketball. I'm GONNA ask you. The question is Bruce. Broussard where he said that it was ninety five percent chance. That games start played that the play starts. In the new was unsure about whether a champion is crowned. How do you see it expert opinion? You're very sourced, very expert. Here to answer to that, my answer has always been with this holding zero percent. Chance I never thought this was going to happen. I'd still do not think it's going to happen. I think if it does happen. It will be the end of the NBA and I think. That we need to start. Honestly. Is the NBA. House, like I think this is great for football football back like we did have. We don't have to worry about arena fully getting. The it is, it is, it is staggering if silver botches this if the NBA botches this in the tide turns on silver unite why we don't hate silver, but like like silver. Yeah, yeah, you like silver all right I'm like neutral on him I I just don't I think I think the one thing he did what he took over, was he? Ban Donald Sterling and he got on. Everyone's good did did big. The most obvious that's why I like it because he's like the smart movies like gigabytes data. He does the most obvious thing ever. EMBIID. Everyone's like. Yes, thank you out of your the greatest. All he does he does he taps in for? tap-in that's that's always seems to do. And this was like the big swing. This star who was bringing the NBA back was a big swing, and if you swings and misses. I don't know it'll be interesting, but the bar has been set so low that with with the commissioners I I just find that fascinating as the dust is settling I. think tonight on ESPN, they're doing a a commissioner. Roundtable were talking about the return to sports, and basically every commissioner I don't i. don't know what the WNBA situation is what they're having. The MLS Commissioner, the WNBA, commissioner, in the four Major League, the Commissioner of the major sports are all on this little round table a don garber is hated by fans. I will speak on behalf as Very Bet Gary Bettman. He has the most hated absolutely hated. Roger Goodell is absolutely. Manfred. What a GIG man I liked! I liked David Cernan I bud ceiling and I. Don't know if I'll just naive and I didn't know as much as I know now, but I feel like being commissioner is basically to be the face of someone. Exactly Yeah I think for me with Manfred the Manfred does not like baseball. I think that's clearly bad for a full baseball game this entire tenure. Sa- say what you want about Roger? Goodell? The man loves football like the way he talks about football. He's got a reverence. He just like so excited about football I feel like Adam. Silver's the same way with that's like. He genuinely loves basketball so Manfred. I don't know Badmin- I don't I? Don't pay enough attention hockey but I know that that's one of my favorites. I always watch the Stanley Cup in bed. MC comes out with the Stanley Cup. Hold places like crazy I. Don't know what that does to give. People Round Up, but I I do remember when I work with Jane Dan and they're Canadian. They just hated Gary Bettman. I I like what like what is going on? But I loved it spirit of sports. You just you just absolutely hate it so. Yeah I think there's a fifty fifty chance. They actually start play and then I think there's zero percent chance. A champion is actually crowd I think at some point like it's GonNa be a zero Today like all the cowboys are getting corona virus infections are get like I feel like there's going to be outbreak and they'd be going to. They're just GonNa hit the eject if this thing starts I. Feel like they're gonna hit the Jackpot. I'm no expert so. Here's what my opinion is. I guess well Dr. Fauci is so everyone. Go seek out Dr. Faucher we'll We'll be monitoring the situation closely as it developed, says each eventually eventually shouts closeouts. Shout out to the derm bulls again and get going thirty two years since he came out. One of my favorite movies shot North Carolina. Crash Davis is great character in the movie. I, notice, you're wearing a anaheim. You're wearing a mighty ducks at durables shirt. The mighty ducks hockey team was an after the movie correct. Yes, was was Durham. Bulls Zach before always always ear. They used to be the tobacconist back in the day back in the nineteen hundreds, and then they turned to the Durham Bulls and the Durham the movie is after the team, not other way round. Of course of course, and then this guy was a minor that I think the director. The writer was of Minor League player. Kurt Russell, the Bill Simmons podcast one time said that it was his dream. He Played Minor League Baseball. He said he was going to be in this movie. Kevin Costner has on an actor I've ever like he took the role. And, they only move I like Kevin. Costner and is Bull Durham and I know that if Kurt Russell, isn't that movie I would just watch it all the time. Susan Serandon is amazing the whole story is great Check it out. If you haven't seen it, shouts vote to boulder amended the Durham Bulls I'm rick growing very good. I'M GONNA. Shout out the state of Florida. Who signed the name image? Lighten the governor for Florida sign the name image likeness thing tate. Or has now leapfrogged California they will be the first state to enact. A situation where Collie college athletes can get paid college. Athletes have the right to get paid. What if you read the language of I'm pretty sure the NCAA could still rule those players eligible, but then yes, I guess they're Gandhi loss. Yeah, it'd be big lawsuit, but. Anyway shot up the shadow Florida for for trying to get this ball rolling even faster thirties. It's already inevitable like I said it's inevitable. We're already down this road, but Florida's is trying to win back public opinion of the state I guess guess. Florida's doing their best to get ahead of things I think it's funny because we're going to send the NBA again to Florida the place. I don't know about Florida. but yeah you back now is. Is this the first step to get into you back? Miami football might be back with the I think if you're college. Football I mean they need a commissioner. I think if you're the college for it's at this point. Just make them professionalize. Some are semi professional, or whatever get commissioners in there and let them figure out how to get the you back to get USC bag had to make sure Oregon has like enough cool uniforms that of rotate, but not rotate too much where we forget that there. there there needs to be someone about to do that and then college basketball. We'll do that. Which I wanna not the opposite of a shoutout. I want to call out a overweight silver waves media. I don't even know what that is. but I need to know who they are because they put one hundred most influential people in college basketball. We were not on that list. Not Rossi was electoral. You May John Rossi Mark Davis. Said about this I'm heard as well, but I think this is motivation I think this is a minor setback for major comeback. Think they're just giving US bulletin. Board. Material Audrey Fair. We're not influential. I've been trying to get a cal I've been trying to coach job for a few years hasn't happened yet. We get the first callback we still get. We don't get I. Don't get the final club. Gillan back in the day, with Virginia, it was like he get the room and it's still GonNa go to North Carolina or do. Whatever did we're seth? Greenberg on selection Sunday Saturday. Damn. Aw, we! We have our team sitting around us dumb to realize that we're probably not getting it. We really think it's GonNa Happen now. We don't see her name of we turn our team we like. Guys I did all I. Could I don't know you you immediately. Go called Dick Vitelle. Do Come on Big House I want to shut up the speaking of the. Show shout the say for announcing that there will be no activities taking place November third day they. There's a big push for this. November November third, which is election day? Make it like a pseudo holiday should be should be a for being honest should be a national holiday already, but the says doing their part. They have said they're falling elitist. The mother schools I think a few schools tech comes to mind is one. Of the first ones did They're not having any activities practices, no games, no anything they want their players to go vote. Go rock the vote he did. He said it all those years ago. Voter by motor Diet Yoga Beth NCAA is falling in line there. So that is a good move for all the DNC gets. They finally got something right well I will say this for all the Shitty holidays that we do get off key. Just get off to go vote because it was always a strange thing to me is like we get off for like you know like President's Day. You're like I guess like that's cool and then like. Like maybe not Columbus. Day Cut that one. Maybe maybe maybe changed voting day. That'd be good, yeah. I got one more shut up, shut out to the one ACC coach apparently from Jeff Goldman. He reported this that there was one acc coach that is putting out to the world that they WanNa have HCC YOU ACC type showdown a huge play ACC. Schools I think this is a great idea. I'm I. Honestly believe that the one coach to put this up as Tony Bennett I cannot confirm nor deny that is who did this I think that that would be a great thing to do. They talk about him. Him Okay weekend. basketball is always had like the NBA's. Do It em- okay, we can special in the Trent. Tucker rule happen during the I'm OK game back in the nineties and a Knicks goals game, so there's some history there. I think central played a rally in Raleigh against NC state about three years ago. That was a pretty close game I have the perfect game for ESPN here. It is Winston Salem state. The home of Earl, the Pearl, Monroe and Stephen a Smith versus North Carolina in Winston Salem. Game has called by Dick Vitelle and Stephen a Smith and it's still allowed US game that of all time. Guys calling the game would Salem state going crazy. The cougars going crazy. Roy Carolina would definitely lose like rt would be so. dicky! Stephen as calling out our team you week. And I think that would be a big game. The Stephen A. Special I love it. That's a great idea. That is a great idea. I got more shout outs one. I WANNA. Shout out the the sleuths on read. It I it was. It was called my attention that they have uncovered tate that Kate Cunningham number one recruiting. The country committed a Oklahoma. State Oklahoma State. As we know as a postseason band, currently there the process of appealing it he has deleted his OSU commitment video. That was step one step two. He is apparently liking pictures on. INSTAGRAM twitter, I'd I I will have to double. Check my source here. But he is liking pictures of himself in a Kentucky uniform that people are tweeting hammer tagging him in a photoshop of him wearing the Kentucky uniform. He is throwing the hearts of those. Interesting it's all say is interesting. coach callous back I think. His for for all the people that believe in coach cow, being the one and done at UK the guy that did it I did it perfect I. Think if K. Cunningham is able to kind of shift the culture back. The UK be over one. This is great for cow. This is a great like like you just come in and grab. This is amazing finally I want to set up the PJ PJ's back. I watched the Trough Schwab Classic. Determined I did not all the years. I've been alive. I have never once known the Charles. Schwab exist I would have never watched it before. I was glued. For four straight days watching this thing watching Jordan speed. Have a comeback. Let it all slip away Herald Varner we gotta talk about this guy, the best about this guy before see. Yes he's. You. Join and he's from He was born in Akron. Is Wikipedia says he's in Ohio Guy are? Perfect for us. Eighty smashes the shit out of the ball. He's got at all dude. I was I was so excited watching it. I felt like a I. Don't know I I can't believe you're keeping it from El. Anyway jets PJ. That was fun I. I didn't mind the lack of its you. Watch it all the. I watched on Saturday and watch on Sunday. I really didn't mind. Lack offense I thought I thought it would be weird The one thing was the guy I. Forget the One guy that hit the hole in one a free was. Due to hold wanted and there is no reaction. You didn't even know. He made the whole one because the crowd than. You know obviously. But all in all like I think I'm cool with there, not being anti. Golf is going to be you know I don't think there's any rush to get fans back I'll put it that way. I don't need to hear guys. Yellen Mashed Potato. Drives it does seem like for golf. That would be the perfect thing to have a serene yeah, or as far as Gameplay, but also you mentioned Charles Schwab. They used to be a. what is it called? The senior tour I went to rally the Charles Schwab classic like in two thousand six, and I went to that and Craig Statler won it of the Walrus and it was a great moment in senior tour history, so Charles Schwab great for them to get that name recognition again that was that was a big yeah yeah I, don't I. Don't need the fans back though I think I think it's I. Don't need I. Don't need guys. Listen to yacht rock like having a a waiver drive like kind of goes ten yards off the rough, and then you see like the worst people. Are they going to listen to the Iraqi Arctic off, and they're out there. That are doing that. Yeah, and you see you see these guys in Sperry's gums Britain over to stand over bald like there's always the one guy wearing the red tiger polo lax and. That was made ages. I don't miss that at all, so but anyway. TJ's back. That's exciting. Is that. Is that all you got I? Got I, just wanted to shout out This has been fun. I like we're getting the dog days of summer as we like, and there's nothing going on, and I like to put you and I watch played. All types of sports are entirely and We don't WanNA shoehorn ourselves here. We WanNA decision. That, we talk about baseball. Listen if I. I can do a twenty minute conversational baseball. I don't mind. It won't bid. I can talk off I contain multitudes state crave right now. Right now have one thing on my mind in. It's It's going hiking in the mountains, so That's what I'm. GonNa do I'm in Colorado I'M GONNA. Go enjoy the altitude the the high life. That's it so thanks for listen oh. Shoot almost forgot. This Sunday is father's Day so first of all of you listening that. Don't pay attention to your calendars, which is typically me It's father's Day. So be prepared to call your father on Sunday and and telling me love him, or if you don't guess, don't get your life, do whatever you want, but it is father's down Sunday. Night Fathers, so what we're going to do for Friday show. We are having our fathers on the show. We were going to call them. We are going to have them be a part of the show. and. It is going to either be the best idea we've ever had or the biggest train wreck. Just watching them. Try to figure out zoom. As, you're saying this right now. I have confirms the my father in fact. So much more professional I'M GONNA! Tell him when he comes on here to be a father, not a Dad, my dad, if I tell him that he's having been told it was going to be a the show yet. He's GonNa. Have a lot of thoughts takes. He probably has a lot of things. You also correct that. I've said on this show it's going to be there's going to be. The first five minutes is going to be both of our dads explaining whether they would rather be called Mr Frazier or coach Frazier. Like. I'm going to tell you for the last time you ever called me, Klay in Oh. Yeah never would say that never never yeah. Definitely not on, but we are dead, I've met Dad. Data's met my dad. They might be the to human beings that talk more than anybody I have ever met in my life, they will you ask them one question? They will talk for hours and hours about college. Basketball plays that they remember t to lilly anything. Embarrasses us, and you exact same reaction where we almost like we want to get away from it. For that story fifteen different times over I don't need to hear it again, but when they tell us. Do you remember the story. Yeah, I remember the story debt I. Remember the kids. Tell you how many times I've. I've talked to your dad and he's told me a story and he'll just throw out names. It'll be like you remember him. Of course mark and I'm like yeah, you could forget and I. I think I've made the point on here before my my dad will throw out names from like the sixties and seventies, and if I don't know them, he gets like Madam. He's like how the hell do not know. That was like I was born in eighty seven. Why would I know? Know a guy that played a southern methodist in nineteen seventy one. It's like you don't know Tommy Lagarde. I'm like no Tommy. Lagarde I'm sorry I don't have the tip of my tongue so we. We are very excited about this. We love our DADS, are we? Father's Day is is awesome. We we are going to have them on. We're going to do fathers. Day, special and for the two guys that are most responsible for the two of us in our our our dumb brains that remember college basketball, stuff and the life that we've chosen as professional. It's covering college basketball so. Those two guys that is happening on Friday. If that Piques your interest, get excited for that. 'cause I. I have no idea what's going to happen with that, but it it it should be. It should be experienced. It will be an experience so. Well they can guarantee. My mom is going to be upset. not been invited on the show. She's probably she would say. A Bigger College Basketball Fan that my dad so. You're going to hear my mom's voice because she's GonNa, be sitting right next to my dad has he's doing doing the show and she? She's going to be like. Tell them tell them about the time. Did you save time that had? A lot of that, but my mom won't be whispering. She'll be yelling Clayton. Above it all right, so we will do that on Friday.

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Long Gone Summer (McGwire & Sosa's 1998 Home Run Chase)

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Long Gone Summer (McGwire & Sosa's 1998 Home Run Chase)

"Joanie Jacoby. The show is presented by a DT real protection. Jalen and Jacoby. Welcome to Jalen and Jacoby the after show we are joined by the director of long gone. Summer AJ SCHMUCK AJ. Congratulations loved watching that film. What does it feel like to have the film finally be seen by the world. I mean it's crazy. It's a been a long journey to get to this point, and it feels like a total miracle to have finished. With the pandemic and working separately with all my team so finally being able to get the film done and get it's ESPN. Feels like a huge accomplishment. Why did you decide to start the dock with the actual baseball's that mark mcgwire hit. Well is in part because we. When we met Todd McFarlane The Great Comic Book Artist Entrepreneur Who who bought all the balls or a bunch of balls including at number seventy. I just love the way he talked about the home run, and how it is something that really connects baseball fans to the game in a way that you don't get in any other sports so as soon as we like walked out of of interviewing him, I I turned to my producer, and said you know that's the beginning of the film. Is Him talking about what the home run in baseball means and how it connects fans, drinks have direct contact between Maguire's bat, and and the person who catches it. So that was that was great also has sort of the other. Bonus. Positive thing of reminding you that someone paid more than three million dollars. Baseball that's how big this was That's how much this took over the country that someone would would go to that extent. To own that ball. Having when watching that scene in Rhode. explained. HOW MICHAEL JORDAN HITS! A shot wins the championship. They go and bring him the basketball, and if if a quarterback breaks a record with the past, bring him the football, but with the home run. You literally hit into the stands, and you never see it again and it was sort of a way that the fan can take home a piece of the game in baseball. They can't other any other way. Way that happens with the home run, but then you did you hear him sort of articulate this, and then the question is asked how much you pay for it. It was just so much money that I wanted to know. How does this? How much are they paying people that bitter comic book illustrators, nowadays like what is the going rate for commentator Peter? How can this man afford this multimillion dollar baseball? Spun was very successful, but yeah I think. He spent basically every penny he owned and you know I I think in part. He did it because he he wanted to get into the business of making action figures for for sports. And and that happens I, mean he basically that was his way of getting everyone's attention in saying. Hey, I'm serious I. Care About Sports Let me make action figures, and and he did I think it was not only something that he wanted to do one thing that didn't make the film which I I tried to find a way to put it in, but he talked about how. His brothers are all baseball fans, one of the key excitement for him in getting the balls with just to be able to say I've got the baseball. As like well. You got three million dollars for that God. Bless Ya. I know that's right. The kid sweet swinging lefty King Griffey Junior, one of my favorite players growing up as Wa. Carry a bet to this day. was more of a factor. With Sosa mcgwire that people actually a realize. Can you acknowledge how his performance affected them? Certainly I mean one of the crazy things I think about that. Season was that people really went into it from spring training, thinking that either Maguire or junior were gonNA. Make this record. Both of them at hit and high fifties the year before this was an expansion year. Everyone just thought like this is GonNa happen went into the season, thinking that Griffey was was in it. You know right I think if you even remember the Griffey was in it. You forget that he was in it until late August when he had kind of a long slump I think he only hit one one home run and like twenty games and may still hits. Hyphen! which is a tremendous season that gets overlooked by what happened with mcgwire and Sosa, but certainly yeah I mean congruency. Junior had an amazing year that year and. It was in a in addition to to all the stuff. We remember of Sosa and mcgwire. He was. He was hitting the ball longer. In Maguire was sort of famously one of the bash brothers, and he had a great career while he was in Oakland with the athletes and Sammy Sosa wasn't as celebrated as a baseball player, and he said something in the film that really hit accord me, said quote ahead had to continue hitting. Because if not, they're not going to mention me. Why did you include that emphasized that and what that means you from Sami? I thought it was great. It Sammy acknowledged that he wanted to the respect. He thought he deserved, and he does that a few times I think in the film and I mean that's sort of a lighthearted way of like saying like. I turned on sports center at night and if I don't hit a home run like they're not gonNA mentioned. He wanted to be mentioned. He wanted to be acknowledged and I think that one of the things I hope that the film does Sami. Wasn't that well known outside of Chicago before ninety eight, but. That's in part because the comes weren't very good, but the Sammy was was a great player for the cubs. A thirty thirty guy I thirty thirty guy ever in cubs history. He was a top home run hitter in the National League for years. I was one year where he was on track to get close to the record. But was injured in in August so You know was a goal to sort of illuminate. The fact that Sami wasn't just somebody who like. Jumped out of nowhere in June of Nineteen Ninety eight that he meant something in Chicago before that. Implant in Chicago, the weather can be a factor. Do you believe it play as much of a factor as Sammy Sosa states. I mean all I can tell you that. We were there in May of last year to shoot the Saint Louis Chicago series in their. Earliest! May and it's snowed one morning. And I was just like. I grew up in southern Illinois outside the St, Louis and I love Chicago. Chicago is great, but I was just like hell though. Away being at the game it was cold. It was rainy and it was just like damn out. This is football. Weather's that I don't know but yeah. No. I definitely know He. He I believe in when he says he's. He was a hitter that did better when it got warm. Not that good of a hitter in the cold. Certainly, see see that that would be the case. Which I think is also in the film. You'll see you know one of the things that makes a Kerry Wood's twenty strikeout game. All the more impressive is that he's. He's doing it on one of those days, and the rain is coming down east going through like You know thirteen fourteen fifteen strikeouts that day, so? Yeah! It's whether in and regularly I think is probably no joke. With all of what's happening in our society in the world, not just in our country today we kind of have to look at things in stories in history, and currently through the filter of race. And how do you think race played a role in this particular story of mcgwire and Sosa and that summer? I think that people wanted to feel good about the fact that they liked this battle between these two guys who were from different cultures different countries. And different races. That probably made people want pat themselves on the back for feelings so good about it I think in part there still memories of what had happened to Hank Aaron and sort of the ugliness when he was. Setting the all time home run record. So people felt like. Wow, look at how far we've come to celebrate and get excited about the fact that this could be. A champion of homerun record that was held by either of these two guys. There's a somewhat famous. Cartoon! Where the two of them are depicted with their bats wall has been broken in the wall, says racist. You know like that. The two of them had finally solved this problem. They beaten it. And I think. It's just a you know. It's one of those times when. People have wanted to. Congratulate themselves for reaching a certain. Threshold and clearly all of those congratulations were way premature. And we're still. We're still fighting for it. I hope that the people. Look at this though as a story of these two champions, and can get some excitement out of the fact that they did come from different backgrounds, and they have very different stores, and as you mentioned the racial dynamic of these celebrated athletes who have a historic seasons who just happened to be from different races and backgrounds. As the story progressed. It seemed like Maguire was forgiven by baseball and giving another job and celebrate it a lot more than Sammy, Sosa the you guys discussed this. Yeah. I think stamina really wants to go back to Chicago, so he doesn't want to speculate too much on the reasons why? He's not been invited back. I don't know what's going on with cubs ownership. I can only say that it's it's A. It's a situation unlike any else in baseball, I can't think of another team that has a a legacy. all-century player superstar, who made millions and millions of dollars was the franchise player for years. Not Welcome back and. Bonds is welcome in the in San. Francisco Marcus more than welcome in, both he's in the hall of fame in Saint Louis and in Oakland, put a statue of Pete rose outside a the reds, stadium. I don't get it. And, I think you know hopefully if the film may can push a little bit towards the resolution of that, Sami deserves to be recognized for all the great things he did in his career. Now. Look everybody's nobody's perfect. And they're probably moments. He wishes he had back I know he wishes he had back the last day of the the two thousand four season but you know he. He did a lot for that franchise and that organization and I'll look forward to the day that he's back in a Wrigley field. Now you mentioned that Sami won't speculate about it, and you said you don't know what's up with cubs ownership, but in your opinion, you've obviously researched this topic a lot more than other people have. Why do you think there is this gap? And before he was the question at once one acknowledges like the last dance in Lance and be water and now this. This one of the great things it does, it takes these moments that you have members of his sort of fills the gaps and one thing about the legacy of this summer in these two athletes is I, forgot that Sammy Sosa was still not acknowledged, inhabit working relationship with the cubs franchise. So now I want you to answer. Why do you think the cubs? Not Welcome back. Sammy Sosa trig revealed. Sometimes I think you get into a position where you you take position, and you don't really see what the end result of that position is going to be, and then you just stick your ground, and the reasons why you're sticking your ground or unclear. I think that they got into a decision. Maybe particularly after Maguire talked about his steroid use before coming back to the cardinals that this was somehow a requirement. That so said talk about steroids. which I want to be absolutely clear as we do in the film, there is no evidence that Sammy Sosa used steroids. There's no smoking gun. There was a survey anonymous survey test in baseball where a lot of players were supposedly tested positive, those seen by the New York Times reported on. Aside from that we have. No secondhand stories. There's no testimony from other players. Nobody has said that they know that Sami did this and he has always said that he did so. It's a very unusual situation for. The ownership, which were not the owners at the time Sammy did. Would never played for the current cubs ownership. It's unusual I. Think for them to take this position. I think they. Maybe you know if you look at it generously that they took the position after. Lark did what he did. Come back to the cardinals. Maybe they thought that's what Sam needs to do. I think we're well past the time now for them to be just kind of digging their heels in. You know. This there's no magic words for Sammy to say. It's time for him to come back. You wanted to make sure that you capture the Roger Marris moment, because obviously his accomplishments and baseball and people flirting, and then ultimately breaking his records were obviously carried with controversy. So acknowledge what it was like shooting the Roger Mirrors moment. That was the big moment for me. I mean. A lot of how I feel about baseball is my relationship with my dad, you know. He taught me how to keep score the it's getting the station wagon. Let's drive around the Cornfields Southern Illinois listening to Jack Buck and Mike Shannon on the radio. got into that moment. You some mark lifting ADEP. You know having his son there all the time you A. He had both Jack Buck Joe Buck on on the radio together. He had chipped Kerry grandson Harry Carey taking over that legacy. And then you had A. This family. who had a father who? Wasn't celebrated the way he should have been in his time to the extent that as Roger. MARRIS junior says in the film. He kind of wishes he hadn't done it. And so that to me watching it in one thousand, nine, hundred, that all those things about fathers and sons that was huge to me. I mean you know I lost my dad when I was in highschool to watch that season. By brought back my memories of watching baseball with him, and it was hugely emotional. And that was a big reason why I wanted to make the film. So including the mayor's moments were probably some of the most heartfelt for me emotional for me because of. Making sure that those familial connections and what they mean, baseball generations passing down their knowledge in love at the game to the next generation I've taught my daughter how to keep score. You know that's that's that's a big part of of why baseball remains a part of the fabric of America. I think you just articulated why that moment was emotional to me because it's sort of like the victor I mean a lot of people have relationships with their parents, not just sons and fathers, but sons and Fathers and daughters and daughters and mothers and sons and mothers, a lot of people have a relationship with their parents through the game of baseball as I remember watching baseball with my dad growing up as well, you did really good job capturing that through that sort of moment and. That will always be remembered, but I think that people fans sports fans will always remember this summer and this home run race through the filter of Oh. They were using PD's the whole time I. Think! The legacy of this summer and this home run race is oh yeah, but doesn't asterix on that because they were all on pd's everyone was on. PD's in baseball at that time. Do you think that that that is a fair assessment or fair to legacy of this home? Run Race? I not quite a you know I think look we have to understand. The different areas of baseball had different things that have made them less than perfect. And if you WANNA, talk about a notation or an asterisk to a variety of achievements and records. You can go back to the fact that there was an all white league. They didn't travel as far as they would later on. They didn't have as many games They're taking greenies and amphetamines Dugout I mean. You can go through a lot of stuff one of the things we tried to do in the film. Was To just make sure that people don't put. What they know about people's reaction to steroids now. Into, that frame of the nineties! There was no official rule. There was no penalty. There was no testing. People were taking supplements openly things some things, which were not a legal and other sports, some things which were. which are? Questionable because no one knew what their efficacy was. That was where we were. We were in an interesting time when I sort of Jim. Culture took over. A baseball I I grew up with the eighties cardinals. You look at those teams. They're so skinny. You can't believe that they can run around the base. So you know I think it was a time period and I think to put today's understanding of what was going on and just say like. Everybody knew that it was bad and everyone knew that it was wrong and it was prohibited. It wasn't I mean people didn't know I didn't know that there was this memo. There was a memo like that was the official thing. Is Someone wrote a memo? And that was it so I think people have to understand it. Look you know I think that in sports hot takes a First Amendment right. You know certainly people can still say like you know I. Don't like that team or I. Don't like that guy or he's not my guy. And so therefore like he's Cheater, and whatever but I think I think. I think people need to look at at what was really happening at the time. And do understand that this was also like this was an expansion year. Stadiums were starting to get reconfigured to be more favorable hitters. There's some a evidence that maybe the ball was wound a little bit tighter than like it is. I think now so. There's a lot of reasons why. The home runs might've been jumping up a bit in the nineties, and I think to to attributed all to steroids is if you really look at it scientifically? Probably not not the case. You feel like at this point after digesting. What took place that these gentlemen are happy at this point or their lives, or are there more accolades and achievements? Do they feel like they deserve the have taken place. Sammy's happy in the business a that he's built for himself. He's happy in his family. He he and his wife. Started another round of kids. Recently any grandchild You know obviously he wants to go back to Chicago. I mean he wants to be recognized for his achievements. He wants to be respected. I think he feels that. The ongoing questions are a lack of respect and he feels he's answered them, and it's time for for him to to get to go to Chicago, which he loved which he feels, you know made him who he is as a man as a player. Mark was able to go back to baseball. He had an almost ten year career as a coach. By all accounts talking to players who played for him as a coach that he was an excellent coach. He was the guy who is not showy. It was very difficult for us to even find photos of him. As a coach. He just wanted to be around the game and he left the game. He retired from the Padres as their bench coach to go and be with his kids. His sons are in high school playing baseball so I think he makes his decisions as he wants to make them and he's he's at peace, peace with that, and but I know a great deal to him both to be welcomed back to the cardinals to be in their hall of fame, and also to the as to be in their hall of fame, and to be appreciated by both of those clubs and their fan bases. I always say in life that we. We. Don't celebrate enough and I think that you deserve to celebrate. You made an amazing film. Thirty for thirty aired on ESPN. The world loved it. You can see it's trending on twitter and you did it. You know they never take that away from you. There will be no asterix on this film. You directed an excellent thirty for thirty congratulations celebrate a little bit tonight before you start worrying about the next projects and everything else will do thank you so much for sure. When it matters most trust adt now more than ever. 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Allowed frog legs good. Allah was the guy with thick accent that was giving these big bear. I was a little tiny girl and he was like bake. He looked to me like a mountain. Marvez definitely one of the most intimidating people I've ever seen in my life every time her eyes on you. That you you had to hit whatever you're doing. She was the decider of our fate. The kept having more and more success. At! The Problem was because they went unchecked. Heavy metals inside the Karoly. Gymnastics Empire a seven part series reported by me. Elissa Roenick and ESPN senior writer Bonnie, Ford Coming July fourteenth from thirty for thirty PODCASTS IN ASSOCIATION WITH ESPN W. WanNa, thank Aj. Sh- knock again for not just joining us on the program for also for directing such a great film and Forever. memorializing was a wonderful summer that was for baseball jalen. One thing that he said that was also in the film which I WanNa Talk to you about was this fact. Sammy Sosa there are no receipts that he used PD's. Not that it was. There was one as you mentioned the New York Times report where they said a lot of people tested positive. There's about one hundred fifty five fifty four names and I don't I don't know. Sosa was among that list, but he never tested positive. It was never suspended yet. History doesn't remember him that way and not just history, but I don't remember him. That way I assume Sammy Sosa was using performance enhancing drugs I assume Sammy Sosa was breaking rule of some kind yet. My assumptions were wrong. Do you think it's fair that he in particular is remembered as someone who was on PD's, although his never truly been caught or positive I think he deserves to be remembered somebody that was on PD's because the one thing that you seem to be ignoring is the eye test, and what about how his helmet size increased. What about how is muscles in large? And he started like the incredible hulk. What about that part of the game? However what you just said is profound. Was Not illegal in baseball. So therefore. I have to agree with your assessment while a guy didn't test. Positive in any way, shape or form didn't get suspended. You can make sure you punish them in a court of public opinion. And even if you decide not to put them in the hall of fame. PUT, the Chicago cubs should acknowledge you. They should be giving him love Jacoby. You know and I think it's interesting. We see this week earlier. USC is announced they're gonNA sort of like end there, disassociation with Reggie Bush, and we need Sammy Sosa acknowledged celebrated in the city of Chicago. The heated so much for the way that he deserves N. yourself. I think you in John and Chris and Jimmy and Ray and the entire five definitely need to be not just acknowledged by the University of Michigan, but we need a statue. We need some sort of banner and I feel like you're tired of saying this, so I have to. To say it for you, but you deserve this like what did Sammy. Sosa do to deserve to be sort of like a like a like like blackballed from Wrigley field the place where he worked a place where he made millions of place, where he brought so much joy to that fan base, and that city in why does the five? Why can't the Fab five have statue or have a banner or be actually acknowledged now with Joulwan, the head coach of the Fab Five. Do you think we will see the statue? End The banner in Ann Arbor? I think you'll see it happen. I just hope we're not old and walking out there with canes when it does or something happens tragic. To one of us, so then people feel bad and decide. They want to do it. Kinda like the climate that we're dealing with right now. With the civil unrest, and for those who are old enough to remember just like Muhammad Ali. There was a time that you either love the five. Or you hate it. And my distinction was the people who liked rap music. Like us. the people who like Bobby Knight didn't like us. And I understood that then and as you graduate the stories and watch. Muhammad Ali get acknowledged body United States and carry the torch at the Olympics. I agree with you I. Hope this acknowledgement happens and I believe it will I just hope something catastrophic doesn't have to take place in order to create a sense of urgency for to take place well I just don't WanNa. See you guys hobbled wheelchaired, Big Gray Afros, and also like I know you're. GonNa. Have a big button a big belly we'd. Like you, hold me back now on your almost fifty. To seventy five, it'd be hitting the gym anymore you're GonNa have that big old man belly. You can't see the bill muscle you. Of the belt, because yes, the roof of the shed has hasta last furloughed last twenty-five from seventy five. We don't need that. We don't need I don't WanNa see. Ovaries celebrate. Jimmy race still look like. On the part for? Like. Here's what we need to do. We need to get gentleman. WE ASPIRIN IN ARBOR was. Get you apart. That's why I you guys get playing over forty Brickley game as the Fab five. Let's see I will wear Jimmy still who and I know you. Say. They gotta worry about me and see where they gotta wear involved with their. Most. Players to. You know like like now that that fundamental joon post up game's going to be so ran. All the dunk. All the. But now you're all that you want becomes a lot more. A lot more. Jimmy Stewart. Athletic. Tables have turned. The tables have turned you. Off Man. Like I know we're. If. The University of Michigan not celebrating you guys. The Way He deserves truly is just a tragedy and Sammy Sosa. Dredges up some of those feelings in another thing, I wanNA talk to you as we conclude this wonderful run that we've had spending time with all of you on Sunday Nights, and also listening to the podcast last dance episode, The two part Lance documentary, the be waters helping Bruce Lee and now long gone summer, celebrating Sosa mcgwire, and and you take zoom out. You look at it macro. You've got names Michael Jordan and Bruce Lee and Lance Armstrong Sammy Sosa Mark mcgwire, and it really makes you think about how impactful sports is on everyone's lives, but how these men are such a big. Big Part of our lives as sports, fans more so than authors, educators and everything, and with all the unrest we have right now. You really start to feel how important and influential sports is on pop culture, and these films, and just the stories of these people has sort of done that for us as well. Even the fact that we were just discussing the fat five did so much more than turn on people of my age to the game of basketball, but so much more hip, hop, culture, and the the shorts, and the look in the field, and the attitude and the socks and I wonder I. Want to ask you as someone who is a student notches of basketball in all sports and pop culture, but as a species and culture as a whole. How important and why do think sports has such an impact on culture? Because, it's the one place that a billionaire. May Be in the Bilden with somebody that makes forty thousand dollars even as unemployed. It becomes the most unique melting pot that we value entertainment in the United States. We pay more for it than we do education, the list goes on and on about services that could use the money, but we want to be entertained. And so. As as a basketball player and as league. To continue to not only uplift AH, game. But also during this time of unrest, it reminded me Jacoby. When George Floyd tragically got murdered. There weren't any sports. And it forced us to sit down and really evaluate all most nine minutes of. Would do you think about race relations in your country in the world and in your household? How a lot of times people over fifty fifty five years old saw different America than the young people as you mentioned that love rap music have seen. And so while everybody's in the same building rooting for the same team. I think more so music it. Particular rap has brought. Urban America to the suburbs enforced. White kids to be loving the PFAFF five and then wearing baggy shorts. Wearing black shoes, black socks, and Harare cheese and listening to their favorite rap artists. That's what happens. When you combine sports and entertainment. In music and the impact on Society Well Joan. That was very well. Put I WANNA. Thank you for joining me. Monday and on the podcast to discuss all these different stories every week I really appreciate you doing that. 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Ep. 15: THE STRETCH  June 15, 1998 Brewers vs Cubs

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Ep. 15: THE STRETCH June 15, 1998 Brewers vs Cubs

"Woah to. It's ninety miles the threat. Welcome back to the stretch ninety miles podcast fans. We are coming at you from Monday June fifteenth nineteen ninety eight today. Nineteen ninety eight was a special year in a lot of ways for these two. Ball clubs got Ryan on the other side with us. We're gonna be talking to you today about a very special ballgame Ryan can you bring say a little beautiful night here Wrigley field. Thirty thirty seven thousand nine hundred fans and attendance, sixty nine degrees. Beautiful Niver baseball lights are on its nineteen ninety eight. We're we're bringing you back. We're we're we're there. We're back in the late nineties. You can imagine the different than it is today. There might be a few more ripped jeans out there who knows better could be somewhere around. We don't even know for sure he's been in and out a cubs fan dome for number of years, mostly in obviously. But in yeah. Yeah. He's always been a cubs fan. Let's not go there. But yeah, we don't know he could have been attendance. He could have been one of the thirty seven thousand nine hundred and three P. Yeah. We wanted to talk about a little bit of the ninety miles tie here. Obviously nineteen ninety eight was especially in a lot of ways. Cubs fans will have some very specific memories. As the why Milwaukee brewer fans may remember this is their first season in the National League central and Monday June. Fifteenth makes this the first game between the Milwaukee Brewers and Chicago Cubs. The very first game even though Milwaukee has existed since nineteen seventy both teams suck enough to never meet in the World Series. And as I league at this page. As a look at this page. The Milwaukee Brewers were very confused on their logo at this point in time. This is the that it's it's one of the worst logos. It doesn't even look like a major league baseball team logo. Looks like a high school team logo or something. It's this diamond shaped thing with an m b in the middle and the B has its arm way up very bizarre. Go back and Larry nineties nineties degreen. They're very, yes. That that hideous green color, Milwaukee fans can hearken back a little bit to the late nineties early two thousand bucks where they started bringing purple and green together some fans really like that. But it's a very specific era. And it's got a very specific vibe to it that green would be good color for para wind pants or you could take those colors make it. Nice para Zubaydah's with those ho. Yeah. That Dirk Lewin that weird green Zuma. Yeah. I think it's almost like it's like the Seattle Seahawks now, but it's really done terribly badly. Yeah. It's it's not good. But this is, you know, the good news is Milwaukee's figured it out the ball and glove was the way to go. Bring it back. It's always good. The cubs logo is the typical cubs logo. You know? It's classic been around for you know, hundreds of losing seasons, isn't it into? But what we wanted to do tonight was bring it back to this era. And we wanna go through the very first game these two ball clubs played we're going to. Yeah. A little bit lake. We're calling the game not quite like that. But we're just going to kind of take through it. Bring back some of the have some fun. These stretch episodes are meant to be timeless. And this is a timeless game whether these two clubs like it or not this is the very first meeting. Why don't we get into a little bit anything? You wanted to bring up about the nineties that we should touch on before we jump into the ballgame. No. I mean, I think most stuff will come up as we go. You know, we're gonna get into these lineups. And and we're going to get into you know, some of the players on the teams at the time. And also, you know that I think before we start. I mean, this is June fifteenth at the time the brewers were thirty three and thirty three rate at five hundred the cubs were forty and twenty eight pretty exciting season. Of course this. Is few starts after Kerry Wood's twenty strikeout game, which we did a stretch episode about that drew up. Let's go and pull that up keeps up this this Kerry wood cat keeps turning up. So yeah. Yeah. So we can tell what era we year rookie year, and he already tied. The major league record strikeouts. Is very exciting. Every time. He started was exciting. And that was no exception for this game. He was the starter for this game. Yes. Kill out. Yes. Exactly. He's up against Cal Eldred who was more or less. The closest thing to the brewers ace at that period of time not a particularly tough brewers team. But they actually weren't terrible. Although you get to the end of the season they finished quite a ways under five hundred did not particularly go well for them. But this game this game a tight one, folks. So you're going to want to hang out and kinda ride along as a good one. It was so to begin. Let's let's get going. You know, top of the first so brewers lineup at at. I three batters that Kerry would face for Nando Vena, Jeff. Cirillo Germany brunettes. Yes, you have Fernando Vina onto three surreal and brunettes are big names and Bruce history really fan favorites from the area batting in the four holes. John John the offs pumped up prospect that never really totally pan out. But not bad either for Nando Vena led off the game representing Phil Garner's brewers with a fly out to left field. That means one Henry Rodriguez for the cubs made the catch. That's a name. I've never heard of. So that's news brewers fans. I don't know if he's fresh to you. I'm sure you've heard of them, but Jeff Cirillo very popular character in a lot of ways and Bruce history there is some shades of things that went on round the Gary Sheffield area between sirocco chef that were supposedly very positive, but he would walk against Kerry wood. Yes. Yes. Kerry. Would that was his I walked he gave up there in the game. And he carry what I mean, that's one of his things he struggled with control a little bit especially earlier on obviously he didn't in that game against Houston with twenty strikeouts. Just a few starts prior. But but yes, the control issue bite some here early and he walks a real, oh, but fortunately germy brunettes next at bat. Yes. Jeremy brunettes who actually ended up with a pretty nice Bruce career in general. He ended up hitting three hundred and fifteen bombs in his career a very very solid player ended up with nineteen point eight war for career. But yes, he has left handed her grounds into a double play. So that. Not ground. No. It was a strike strike them out. Throw them out double play. I should read the box score. You're right. Ember burnett's struck out swinging and Serena was caught stealing second. Sandy martinez. Threw threw it down a second. And. Yeah. Strike them out. Throw him out double-play, obviously, a hit and run was on there. That was very as unsuccessful. Well, it actually. Yes. And I'm yeah. That that's true. I it looks like it went to three to count as well. We're still kind of learning on the fly here three to count with the guy running. So he swung. And there was a throw it. So it wasn't really a hit and run so much as a bit of a hit and run. But the one out full-count thing a very traditional. From the lawn and he was attempting to contact and didn't so yeah. But in any case Kerry would escapes the inning the top of the I only faces three batters despite a walk. They're so pretty harmless, take it. But you will. But you will cubs fans or we go to the body then the brewers are sending out kill Eldred kill Eldred gets up there through the ball, pretty hard. If I remember I'd use know fastball slider. Curveball kind of guy I would have to go back and do some research. We're really digging into my memory banks talking over twenty years. I mean, we're gonna have every detail and every one of these hitters necessarily. But no, we won't we won't at all. And we'll get more into Kells career numbers. It's thirds out pretty nice for kale grown note, right away. A pair of him wanna Brant Brown? One to Mickey Morin Dini, whom you said, what do you remember about me? Key more Dini other than that's a heck of a handle. Yeah. I mean, I boy I think I remember I mean, he mostly played with the Phillies. He just was with the cubs a couple years later on and that season. He remember he he decent batting average. You know? That's why they general had them up a part of the order there. But but yeah. Played second base. You know, this, of course, is after no longer Sandberg on the team, which sure, you know. Few years out looking for looking for somebody to help fill that position little bit. So he groans out the third and that brings up one Sammy Sosa. So Cal l delivers. Oh, yeah. Sammy. Hammy? Yeah. Tell us a little bit about Sammy in nineteen ninety eight Ryan. Well. Let's see in nineteen ninety eight. He had a couple hit a few home runs. That's. May remember the big race to beat sixty one Mark McGwire? Sammy Sosa earlier on Ken Griffey junior was in that in that race as well. So as a pretty, you know at the time is definitely exciting. And you know, we've like back on it. Now, it's a little tainted. Of course, knowing what was actually going on. But you know, we, well we've talked about before we looked at some numbers. And and there's still there's still some respect to be paid. I mean, the, you know steroids. Don't don't do anything for hand eye coordination? They don't, you know, don't do anything for being able to to really hone it on the strike zone or in and make solid contact round ball with around bat. I you know, it is what it is. But nonetheless. Yes, that was the year that was the big year was Sosa McGwire. So so there were chasing. Roger marris's record sixty one of sixty one home runs and the would both surpass it. And it's kind of cool that the Burs got to contribute to that so heavily because they face the cubs and the quite a bit that season. They got to be a history coming from the American League central the National League central and the brewers pitching staff distributed. Two did very single season home run records that year. Yes. So. Cal Eldred has one contribution serves went up to Sammy Sosa. Who knows if the bat was corked or not, you know, that's another thing. Oh, okay. Well, we're still brewers and cubs fans that don't particularly like each in mind as we'll ball. No strike pitch. Yeah. It was a one. Okay. To right center field. So so crushed one and that would have been number twenty two on the year for him. So is June June fifteenth he hit his twenty second home run that year, and that was off of Eldred right in the very first cubs brewers game. So very first that bad for Sammy Sosa against the Milwaukee Brewers goes for a home run must be nice. That would be held up by. Well, we'll keep moving here. We got an entire game too. So yeah, that that's followed up by Mark grace, groaning out to first base unassisted that wraps up that half of the we will talk more about Mark grace getting into the town of the second inning Kerry wood records, a strikeout against John. Je that would be his second straight out of the game review. Sending that of ended on a strike him out. Throw him out double-play. Dave Nielsen gets a walk. That is also. The second walk issued by second walk. Yup. And that leads us to go ahead. I think murky Grissom, there's a name for mystrom. Yes. Yeah. Well, remembered for his Expos baseball card right back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that one having some value. It did reason it did. And murky Grissom ended up having a, you know, a fairly decent career. It wasn't anything else standing. He did not I guess live up to whatever kind of hype you really wanted to throw on him. But really to be fair. He was a very solid major league ball player finished at a two seventy two batting average two hundred twenty seven home runs. An on base percentage of only three eighteen you know, that's a little bit lower than you like the only at seven thirty two, but a twenty nine point six career war bases lot stolen bases. He he had some years where he was nine. Ninety three and ninety four. He was an all star. This is nineteen ninety eight. So you're getting a little bit later in the career. Yeah. Very very fun ball player to watch. Yes. Seventy eight stolen bases in one thousand nine hundred seventy six and nineteen Ninety-one. You just don't see numbers like that anymore. Yeah. Well, those those led the the may all the major leagues those both those years. Yes. And as they should he had fifty three I believe in nineteen ninety three which would have been his first all star game. He did receive some consideration for MVP a couple of times and was a three time gold glove winner correction four time gold glove winner. So you'd think the Bruce had something pretty nice and him. They were getting him on the latter half of his career but marquees gruesome pop fly to right field short. And then. Yeah, what happened next? Well, Jose Valentin Jose Valentin on a three. Oh pitch. Yep. So we had a walk his Dave Nielsen. Yeah. And Jose Valentine tags one. Absolutely destroys it. Okay. We don't know if it was absolutely destroyed. We're doing this from the box. Yes. So they put the brewers on top, you know? So we went from a one nil ballgame with Sammy Sosa solo shot two to one ballgame in favor. The walk the walk biting Kerry wood there. Correct two runs. So. Then you're yeah. But he comes back and gets a strikeout young soon. He's I think what does that three strikeouts already through two innings for would. Although he's giving up two runs. So as we head to the bottom half of the inning Alette Ryan takeover and take care of that. It was taking the lead to one we'll probably accelerate a little more. Once we get through the first time through the lineup and talk about some of the players. We wanna talk about you know, an Henry Rodriguez his five ball the center off account algorithm. Jose Hernandez than comes up. He strikes out swinging. So to to outs there in six pitches. And then Santa Martinez, basically Kerry Wood's catcher, all you know, he was one beyond the plate for his twenty strikeout game. He he comes up and hits a single centerfield line drive single, which is fantastic. And then then Santa Martinez steals. Second base with Manny exander up who many exander, then it's double the centerfield line drive and Martinez scores on that. After. For having stolen second base and getting into scoring position. He's able to score on that. Kerry would than hits a single to centerfield which scores Alexander. So Carey would help himself out there. And you know, now now, you know, tables have turned a little bit. Yeah. Well, still think they had Martinez at second base on the stolen base. But that's just my memory from twenty one years ago. Actually, I didn't watch this game. I don't know. But. No, I'm mad. No that game. How are they had the delay? But yeah. Where's the replay? Yeah. Exactly. They needed replay in nineteen ninety eight just for this game. All right. Well, they wrap it up Kelder gets Brant Brown to fly to centerfield. And at this point. We've got a three two cubs ballgame we are moving to the top of the third. That means the bruiser back at the plate. We're gonna lead off with Cal Eldred who grounds out the short kill Eldred was not a particularly good hating pitcher. He did not rake. Our current brewed pitching staff does. But. Yeah, right, right Kerry. Wood wasn't wasn't bad. He had his moments as a hitter too. So, you know, there there you go, and then, you know, in retaliation for the home run for Nando Vinas pitch from Kerry would I don't know if that's true or not. But he did get hit by not. He had some control issues. Yeah now. And then so I. And then the brewers run into another out at second base trying to steal. I don't know was were they trying to run on sandy Martinez. Or was this a running on Kerry wood thing, I don't really recall Kerry would having particularly slow delivery. But maybe the brewers were just not getting good jumps that day. I don't know. But a second. I don't know. I don't know the second time caught stealing their top of the third. They're giving they're giving away outs. And then surreal flies out to left field. That ends the top of the third and the bruise trailing two to three. Yeah. And and. You know that now basically starting number two in the order here now for the cubs. So Mickey more Dini he strikes out swinging. And then it's a second time for Sammy Sosa up this game again against Cal Eldred count gets a two balls and one strike, and what do, you know? Sammy Sosa deep fly ball to left field and is out of here. Homerun? Royds corked bat. Well, yeah. Yeah. So he he did look particularly ripped about this point in his career. So you look back in history, and it's pretty obvious. I don't care what Mark Maguire says in front of congress to be perfectly square on it. But it was it was still a super exciting summer. I remember this one I wasn't following baseball nearly as much as I had previously. But I do recall this season and catching highlights and catching a couple of games on TV here and there. Yeah. The Sosa McGwire thing was was quite the story for sure. Yeah. Well that made it four to two and that was so says twenty third home run so twenty two and twenty three coming against the brewers here in this game. And yeah. And then Mark grace at a single Mark grace, one of my favorite players for sure he spent a number of years in Chicago before ending his last few years in Arizona, but always a solid solid hitter. Good batting average ninety eight. You know, he ended up with three oh nine batting average. And yeah, it's a single here. And and then Henry rod Rigas. Fly ball Jose, Hernandez is up then. And there and Cal Eldred throws a wild pitch and grace moves to second base, but Jose Hernandez ends up just hitting a fly ball. To center so just the Sosa homerun four to two hits a single run a pair of hits a single run one man left on brace cubs lead for two after three. So yeah. Pretty good game so far. Yeah. Not too bad. Got a little work to do. So they get back on they get back into the batter's box. We Jerry brunettes the leadoff, Jeremy brunettes one of the better hitters in their line-up. Fly ball left field out unfortunate. John John, the young prospect who didn't really end up panning out just to kind of touch on him one more time. I just wanted to take a quick peek at his numbers. I remember him being somebody that was talked about quite a lot as I was growing up as a potential guy to really be something pretty solid. He started playing quite a bit more in eighty in nineteen ninety three ninety four. He was around for quite a while. There was a season he had three three hundred. Eighty seven plate appearances in nineteen ninety five. He hit three three thirteen. So it's not like this guy was nobody he at twenty bombs in nineteen Ninety-six. He did have thirty four home runs hit three hundred. So to just say he was a guy that never really filled out is pretty unfair. I think he actually had quite of decent little career. It was more unfortunate that the bruise just kind of stunk while he was there. Nineteen ninety nine nineteen ninety eight would be as last season as a Milwaukee bur that year. He did hit two. Oh, eight. So maybe that's why sticking out in my memory a little bit more nineteen ninety seventy two forty seven. Okay. Did not hit for a lot of power that nineteen Ninety-six market. Thirty four was his best year until nineteen ninety nine. When he must have signed with Billy bean in the Oakland A's because he hit thirty five bombs that you're ended up in the all star game actually received some votes for MVP hit two seventy six with a slugging five fifty six and nine seventy. So he did have a pretty stellar year out and Oakland in nineteen ninety nine that was not, of course this year, though. So this year, we are kind of covered those numbers did not go too. Well for Gionta he lines out to center field. Dave Nielsen draws a walk marquees Grissom follows with a single off of Kerry wood. So you have Nielsen at second. And you have Grissom at first Jose Valentin comes up. He's one of the guys. I believe that. I believe he came over in the Sheffield trade as well from few previous season's strikeout looking that ends the inning for the brewers that puts a rap and most of the guys I wanna talk about one hit to left on base. Bruce trail two to four. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I'm, you know, I think not next few innings are fairly quiet. I think we can maybe cruise along here. You know drama the fourth Cup zone. Do anything really other Santa Martinez starts ending with the double the center, but then strike out ground ground out? We had the top of the fifth and and the brewers we end up getting a one two three inning couple Kerry wood couple more strikeouts. And then a fly ball to center, and and then Kelder de must a kind of grooved in their bottom of the fifth yet more Zini strikes. Strikes out Mark grace. It's a single. But then Henry Rodriguez strikes out so nice outside. Yeah. Kill Eldred starting to put it together starting to find a groove at this point. And then you get to the top of the sixth and you're looking at a couple of different things here. So yeah, we get into the top of the sixth year. The brewers get up there. Still carry would against the brew crew. Jeff Cirillo groundout, Jeremy brunettes fly ball centerfield. John. Jay, Haas strikeout. Looking. We're just riding along right now. Bruise trailing the cubs. Two to four. Yeah. Pitches kinda grooving getting now it's it's not really until. Yeah. Top of the well top of the seventh carry woods still going. Yeah. What? Yeah. The six. Yeah. The sixth inning not a lot going on top of the seventh jumping Sarry. Yeah. Yeah. Well, one-two-three for Kerry wood and the top of the seventh. Bottom of the seven something starts to happen again. Right. So this. Where we kind of wanted to jump forward to this is why we kind of skipped through and scattered those innings a bit Brant Brown groans owed against Cal Eldred. Mickey more any fly ball the right field. You know, who's up next then so Brown the top. At the top of the line. Ami Sosa was hitting in the three homey Sosa, and yeah, he gets to two balls and one strike and deep left center field, crushes another home run. Third home run of the game twenty four th home run on the season all three oh. All off the Cal Eldred. Sammy Sosa three homerun performance in the very first cubs brewers game with the since Burs come into the central in nineteen ninety eight. So that's something. Yeah. That is huge. It's a like I said the bruise really knew how to contribute to baseball history when they switched leagues. So so so hits his his twenty four the third one off Eldred for the day. Mark grace groans out to follow. This puts the brewers that puts the Bruce to cubs up our five to two. Yeah. Burs down by three runs. And we're in the top of the eighth. That's right. So Carey would carry would having struggled a little bit with this control. Most of the day kind of cruise kind of cruise through those three or four previous innings though. He had kind of defined find a group there. But but yeah. Top the eighth, Bobby Hughes. He walks and. And then you got Bob Hamlyn. So Celtic comes out of the game time to pinch it form, you gave up three bombs the Sosa and for the brewers little National League ball. They're letting cheaters for for the pitcher a little bit new. I mean, it's June by nose, and and so right. But I mean new the the season anyway. Yes. Yes. The previous previous twenty some years. We're all in the American League central. So Bob Hamlyn gets in he walks, and then Fernando Vina does with Fernando Vina does to men on strikes swinging. Why don't you take the rest of the inning and kind of break down from a cubs? Yes, it's interesting because here, and I, you know, I don't know if I have any particular. Details but Scott service comes in. So I don't know. Why Santa Martinez came out of the game there? But but yeah. After the walk Bob Hamlyn, Scott service comes in and replays, the sandy Martinez at catcher this true. And that's in the middle of an inning, which is a little unusual because Kerry wood, no, no pitcher change would still in there. So not a double. Switch must have been must have been an injury of sort injury. I'm guessing I guess, I guess we can look in here a little deeper, but, but yeah, so Scott services in their catching now and Kerry Wood's strikes out for Nando Vena Jeff Cirillo than hits a single a bunt to two week third base. Yeah. Jeff. It's a weird wording of that. But but you got into it is what it means at a boy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Typical surreal ABS getting into one. Yeah. Right. Right. So now, we got basis loaded. Jeremy brunettes is up and he would. Yeah. As a little little trouble with the strike zone and on a full count, walk som walks in Iran, and that would be the end of the day for Kerry wood. Usually if you've walked someone with the bases loaded in the eighth inning. You know, what's funny is actually carry would given given this. I I would imagine he would have been probably taken out of the game much earlier than this in today's game. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. With the control he was having earlier. But then it did smooth out in the middle innings. It's kind of hard to know. But. They did. Yeah. The hook was a lot longer back at this point in history nineteen. Yeah. I mean, obviously the bullpen was important in ninety eight. But it's nothing like it is twenty years later today. No, I, you know, talking about pitch count because I remember they that's when pitch counts started to be talked about a little more. I mean prior prior to the late nineties. It wasn't really talked about it all, but then it started being talked about. But I remember threshold kind of being like one twenty whereas today like a hundred a hundreds of long day to thrash old. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So the, you know, big difference. And I and I remember reading seven Olin Ryan needs to pitch like throw like two hundred pitches in a game. So there's a lot different in the past. But so I don't know. I guess we didn't do any necessarily any math on pitch counts at this point. But I think. You know, K would was probably up there. He was with the amona strikeouts. In walks that he had he was definitely higher on the pitch count. So that leads to another John John appearance. No, remember, I already told you. He didn't particularly have a good season this season in nineteen ninety eight nineteen ninety nine you know, he was an all star go figure, you know. That's how the Bruce luck was back then developing players and John had a nice little career, but he comes into face, Terry Adams. And what is Terry Adams do get them to three one count? The brewers are down three to five right? Cubs are up five to three John works into three one and he walks so Hamlin's third brunettes the second. So another walk that brings us to a five four cubs lead. Dave Nielsen up against Terry Adams now Dave Nielsen ends up with only one oh so far grounds the second. So you get a force out but the run scores tie ballgame. The. Brewers of comeback bruise of comeback. Yeah. Baby. Yes. And that leaves marquees gruesome to clean the basis and he groans up. So through the top of the eighth inning. The brewers and cubs are no tied at five piece despite Sammy Sosa and all the steroids carrying them to five runs. A man all five of those are charged against Kerry wood, and I did see he pitched one hundred seventeen pitches. So you're right on the money game. You're right on the money. I thought seventeen Mark. So we go to the bottom of the eighth inning. This is a tight one fans. This is actually good game. I know it's been a half an hour episode is a little longer than normal stretch. But we enjoy kind of breaking into these box scores. I think it's time to see what happens as the Cubbies come up in the bottom of the eighth inning pretty interrupting thinning. So what you got Doug Jones. Doug Jones is coming out of the bullpen. His actually a pretty decent little reliever for the brewers for a number of years. I don't have his. That's right in front of me. But a very familiar name. Yes. Probably two million. Wanna you know, you don't wanna be thinking about middling relievers from that era very much, but Doug Jones came in ah pull him up rate here. It's pretty easy to do. He comes in. And and Henry Rodriguez is batting and hits a five all the center Jose, Hernandez hits a single to left. Yes. It's rate in between shortstop and third base right through that whole ground ball. And then Scott service who came in replace any Martinez. Mid inning before looks like a in and seeing I single is what it looks like. Single field shortstop third base. Whole now Doug Jones, I was selling them a bit short actually had a heck of a nice little career as a reliever nation say little career the dude had three hundred and three saves. So he was a legitimate reliever. Three point three career ERA at twenty one point four war. This Bruce staff and Bruce team in general from this year had a lot of pretty solid ball players on it. He would later get traded in the season. I believe Cleveland in nineteen ninety eight. So the brewers season wasn't going particularly. Well, he did finish with an ear a as the brewers reliever that you're a five point one seven. So it's not like he had a great season there. Maybe that's where my memories coming from on him. Not being particularly good. But a career three thirty area a guy that could get off the hook when he wriggled into one. Right. So you've got I third with Hernandez and surveys and that brings up Manny Alexander to face Doug Jones. What has? Fly ball deep left field. All that's needed for a sack FAI to to for Hernandez, tag up and score. And and there you go cubs. Pull pull ahead back into the lead there six to five and and I believe then terro Terrell Lowery ends up pinch hitting for Terry Adams next he strikes out swinging. But yes, Doug Jones sewer. They strike in the bottom of the eighth. They strike rate back and now it's six to five cubs. So all of that worked come back from five to two deficit. Yes, all of the walks Kerry wood gave up and Terry Adams followed with and the brewers are back down sixty five just kinda spills the season out a little bit. But it is still only the end of the bottom of the eighth cubs wreck up run on two hits. No heirs. We get to the ninth. And we have rod Beck coming on to get the save for the cubs. What do you know about rod Beck? Because they're whole lot there or what I don't know. Yeah. He he was there closer, and and a pretty solid one. He at this point. You know, he he was a he was a big guy. I remember that through hard. You know, he. Yeah. He was a pretty pretty decent closer, you know, he he accumulated quite a few saves between ninety two and ninety nine. He was only on the cubs really rate at the end of his career towards the end of his career there. Well, known ninety eight not part of ninety nine then he was with Boston. And and the Padres then. But he he ended up accumulating two hundred eighty six saves in nineteen ninety eight. He had was his best season. Fifty one saves and three a three point O to E R A, very, very solid. He led the majors and games finished with seventy. So gotcha. Okay. So pretty darn. Yeah. And I and actually now I think about I do remember that he did he he. He died in two thousand seven only a few years after retiring thirty eight years old seven that's way, too young. Yeah. Yeah. Well way to bring sewed. Well, yeah. I know. Case. He he was he was a no he was a a big piece of that cubs team in nineteen ninety eight he really could come in and and and closed down a game. So. So he comes in Jose Vallon PC. Yeah. Valentin touch on one more time. He had been brought up, and he always been somebody that had a lot of promise, you know, played some shortstop played some second base in this game at second base. Not a particularly good year. He to twenty four in the year of nineteen ninety eight on base percentage is a semi respectable three twenty three. The opium was not good seven sixteen. He would go on to have a couple years where he was well over one hundred strikeouts. Oftentimes, that's where it landed. So it was no huge surprise Jose Valentin. I remember being pretty solid generally in a lot of ways career be batting average two forty-three slow hundred thirty six bases. He did have a career war of thirty one point six. So it's not that he stunk loud all the time. But he did have a nice long career from ninety two to two thousand seven all that being said he comes in strikes out swinging, Bobby. Hughes comes on he groans out the short. And then Bobby Hamlin who had pinch hit a couple of innings earlier grounds out the second base. And rod Beck gets the safe. And the cubs. The stupid cubs win six to five. Cubs. When coz win. Yes. Five nine in game, two and a half hours. Roughly, what was a two hours thirty two hours. Thirty eight minutes just a little over two and a half a fairly quick game. Despite of coming back from a five to deficit and have absolutely hideous logo. The brewers are unable to capitalize in the first game of the brewers cubs. All-time series would go on to have a relatively rough nineteen ninety eight the cubs, of course, would go on to have a very good nineteen ninety eight that would end in the first round of the playoffs. Sammy Sosa Mark McGwire a lot of history in nineteen ninety eight that really ties the ninety miles. So yes, ends up with sixty six home runs that season. And of course, carry would that was his rookie year which included his fifth start twenty strikeouts. Both of those being kind of big big moments in in cubs history and baseball history and that game Kerry wood, by the way, he walked. Six struck out nine through one hundred seventeen pitches. So. So yeah, you know. If you want kill Elvis line quick seven innings pitched ten hits five runs five earned six strikeouts. Three bombs for Sammy Sosa against Cal Eldred. Doug Jones comes on and actually ends up taking the loss. Not. But it was a tight game. It was a fun game. And I think that really kind of puts a rap on this episode of the stretch. Yeah. Yeah. Let us know. What you think I mean? Of this. We may do this with other games may it's it's kind of a fun way to maybe point out some players of of brewers and cubs past Milwaukee passed, and and so forth, and just you know, is kind of. Taking a look and into these. You know, this one was just an interesting three hold on game. Sammy Sosa got Kerry would pitching its first time to cups brewers. Played each other. And yeah, it was a good one. That's a good little piece of history. Good. Yeah. If it helps you pass the time, don't forget to subscribe at ninety miles podcast dot com. Follow us on Twitter. I'm at brew crew winning. You're at. Wraps his cubs win. That's right. And yeah, we hope you enjoyed it. And that's the story for Monday June fifteenth nineteen ninety eight thanks for listening to the stretch. Thanks for listening. We'll talk to you later.

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Michael Jordan & Muhammad Ali: Biggest Egos in Sports

The Cedric Maxwell Podcast

17:23 min | 11 months ago

Michael Jordan & Muhammad Ali: Biggest Egos in Sports

"You. Don't even know anything about all do is read about, and I think that's the difference in like you say you can. You don't know. This is where millennials coming compared to me. You don't know that you you can't experience or no, the greatness and Mohammed Ali. All you can do is just hear about what people say folly, just historian and it was just like He. He made a comment. One time. which I thought was so cool. He was walking down the street with Dick Chef. The Great sports reporter and he was in New York City he said I. Tell You what. I'M GONNA walk from this block the discipline. By the time I get to this next blah. They'll be a mob of people out here. He started taking some steps. Seen are lay, people were running out of the projects, running down the street and people like a giant mob of people, following him to got to the end of the street that was his that was his greatness. Was Greatness debt. You know that you don't even know which you know to me and there'll be you know. I and I think that's the difference between you know certain years. They're going to be people that you're going to be talking about later on. And your kids are going to ten who? You're going to be talking about your guy big PAPI big. Who that. Girl. Shakes. Stop. ME A. Whole. Nas true because it doesn't resonate as much because you didn't live it. That, that's why I'm you know we talking about Tom Brady? I mean I. Didn't I didn't live through? You know you don't do that and you don't live through I. Think there's certain players there are also forgotten. I. Don't think we will ever appreciate how great manny. Ramirez was. My favorite of all time. Yeah, whatever appreciate just how because you know, it was always that line. Be A man. Just Manny Manny! You couldn't get past that but one of the sweetest. Maybe, ever man, that's what was so killer about that. You had the sweetest Senator Levin and right handed going that you had to get through, and that was just wanted to punch all has. Switched them up before his Ortiz first and then manny manny. Pick your poison mad at this boy. Whoever's up there? You know who is coming up next. WHOSE ON DECK AS UNFORGETTABLE? I was I didn't agree with me. I mean you think about that were you would go even further? Give me the best one two punches you've ever say. Is that the best one two punch tone and baseball I Baseball, yes, in sports of all time we're made was there was a mickey mantle and Mariss they were like. They marriage hit like sixty. He was one that broke the record that time. You tell them about. The best ever. When to definitely up there I don't know if the number one but you. I mean I think in the modern era. Why wouldn't they be? While, wouldn't it be more? People are gonNA. Talk about steroids I mean right now with the red sox think about their one. Two Bunch was at a can tell you right now. When the last episode they wanted, it was certainly mckeon Martinez but you put them in the same category for the all because of the the. The. How many years they did it and of course they they want to jam Shas from four hundred seven, even three. That's when it started no three and that was the most feared duo. Baseball! was. Manny in RT's. Is Money Your your your eyes glow when you so tell them, but you just miles. Manner Many David! Ortiz you says something about. It was must see TV man dues had a man with chain how and just had a swag in that beautiful swing and he would just look at that ball. Go Up, throw the BAT. Man strut whether it was the dreads he had short hair with the lineup. Loved it your mouth full of tobacco, everybody and they're on the road. Everyone's pissed. Authors Zinke Stadium Oh. Ortiz. The Sky at rafting makes his round and after the home runs, just had swaggie. Baseball's missing. That's the reason why I've raised down. They don't have those marketable players that had that swag. Have that attitude? You know they just? They complain when the is. Throw the bass now home run where they used to celebrate. It's just not the same. It's different than they need to change that. They need to find the next line of those, so the Bryce Harper's. They don't do it for you. Is harpers up there hoppers? Each season exception. mookie Betts was a big fan of you know he has, he has changed. How has that Swag Underdog altuve play? Because they're undersized? Guys? You know you eat that up. L. To hold on a mint. Off. The SIGNS EVERY minute. What? There's the. Do. Wagon the MA the positivity. Do. He's. Guess who you know as governor. Gel and those years you people will say oh well. That was the steroid era. Yeah, but you know the story era will start. Get Gang Call. Dow this is after. Barry bonds and Sammy Sosa. Mark mcgwire. To Mark Maguire. That early that runs in the early two thousands to the late two thousands with the Red Sox, and that those two in the heart of the order man forget it. It was just the most fearful a special time. The most feared duo, and you had the greatest pitcher on the great. We Have Pedro the most most the greatest do oh. Okay we'll say this in Boston. In Boston. In Boston sports history. Bird Mikhail at Berber. Can you put I think I? Put them above Ortiz and Manning. Okay Yeah Burma can above that is everybody above them. Now in the for a while there, you could I. I'll tell you what that is team. You talked about with sixteen. No. You Man Randy and Randy and Tom. Shoot. Oh my God just Sunday Rohit throw it up. Tom Which is art. You really want. I mean literally when he would start running, he wouldn't run patterns. You'll Steve Swag do has. He Jams. Point in like Arma Tom just Islamic just throw it. As far as I can and randy work, either your rent is GonNa. Run it down how it was and we were. We were hoping for that with the last guy that was in here ABC when he was in here, I was you saw flashes of Moss and Brady when that little sample size that we got you saw that from Antonio Brown I was there. I was in Miami for that game the one game he went up man. What could have been but? I digress, listen. Let's get back to where we're talking about the guy. I'm glad you brought to Muhammad Ali because. Remember before we're GONNA record. We're talking about this. Listen guys who had some of the biggest Egos Sports Muhammed's up there, but he's the back it up right and used to say that he's going to do this and that, but how many times where people didn't like those kinds of plays right time guys too cocky. You know he he's to. Is there such thing as being too cocky? You back it up. Is that a fine I don't really I think it's a fine line. It'd be back at that. Was cocky. I agree if you said what you going to do like, we could talk about Dion Sanders. BEING UTAH cocky arrogant. What words don't you WANNA use when you say Diaz strutton into the end zone. Do that in on these. Yeah, yeah, see, that's the thing man and that's what makes us with gravitates. Fans like I said what what was so great about Main Ramirez. Obviously the way he performed lead the way he's approach to it the way he carries himself Larry Larry Joe Burden at three point shooting contest. That's another. Hitting the last one that's. Been Finger sticking up in the air and he's no more people were going absolutely crazy. Steph curry used to throw the the three up and turn around running back in football, winning like fans. That's the we eat that stuff. There's. There's a cockiness. There's an arrogant more that whenever sports comebacks, especially the NBA. I want to see more of that. I WANNA see more hostility to remember when drill be that into early in the season with Karl Anthony towns. Give me more that I'm I'm done with this old buddy buddy stuffing guys working out together and wanted to join forces and all about your guy, draymond green kicking guys in the nets. You like that I. Don't like that's the boy. S Wag you. Guys? I mean we kick off? The wrong kicked this guy. I mean Oh. Was Adams kicked him like two or three. Old My Allenton the rim. He. Kicks in was. have. Kids Man, go my God. I remember Marcus Smart doing that to Matt Bonner the red rocket. We were watching I was watching this game in San. Antonio and I said. The market says. Did he check, and Sean was broadcast Charlotte. No, I don't think he. He nuts like that. I don't think he did and they show the replay Johnson I. Don't think. Oh, Whoa, be mark is land up, and what was just as important to me was why should Matt Monitoring go down? He said start the tape run London. Let's see it again. I would have been like. How the been on my knees with tears in my eyes, but That's what you just close your eyes. Go through the pain. You can't even stand me as a man. Do we think that there's anything more vowed and absorb painful when you when you see it happen, you feel in the game that you go every man. Go, ooh! All. Marcus got his man yeah. Oh yeah, this season he's going to have. Yeah so I mean. Those are times you look at. That was. That's pretty rough. Episode of the subject matter. PODCAST is brought to you by online DOT AG. There's no shortage of action going on at our exclusive partner bet. Online DOT AG NASCAR is back and better line has hundreds of games, events and sports. You can still get it on. You can bet on simulated NFL. NBA AND UFC or even participate at a ten thousand dollar, mad bracket challenge of March, madness style, NF, l., simulation tournament, and you can enter absolutely free. It's crazy to think about you having all these things that bad on your home I mean I'm tired right now watching Netflix. I. 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Yeah, but I think West Baltimore Swagger compared to compared to now hardens getting fed up with this whole people getting mad about how he goes about scorn, people hate his style and he's listening I'm of thirty five thirty six points I hear I'm the best player in the League. He's mad that he's not getting that cry. Yeah, well getting. Getting that label well, I still believe with the biggest guy who talks the most would be Jolan. Be about how good he is. Great is and how I am this I am that that guy is not on my level. Though he would to be that guy, you know that's that's a good one at a fair one I know has a big ego. Jordan is up there my my list. Had A big EGO I don't. Yeah for you this you the free throw. In close your eyes guess opposition. Big Balls stun big. Huge I mean alone. Larry Play play lefty. The endgame game left I still believe as still think that you know we didn't talk about. We've talked about but ted. Williams to me still that's the biggest ego. inflator or deflator of all time you go, or you go for you to be baton the holy grail of four hundred and your manager says. No you good you at the Plano. What you're GONNA miss his last game. Now I'm planning is let you know if you hit. If you hit one foot one four four done is done. You're under. Mangoes three before. And Bats for six to solidify their puppy. The biggest balls I've seen a athlete Milan. Who's the last player that you can think of that? Had Big. Eagle and didn't back it up. Brian Balls were. That I can remember. The Oklahoma he played, he was had the hair all of the great linebacker, and he got drafted by Seattle at the time and Seattle was playing they were playing. Oakland. and Bo Jackson came around the corner. And all he saw was backup Bo Jackson Damn. The boat was running so fast. And Brian was supposed to be fast. Them like. I'm out okay I, AIN'T GONNA. Go catch that do so that to me would be as a big ego that they you know. Have I can't remember by coming in here with you know. I was Kobe had to have a big EGO. Kobe Egotistical I. Remember reading something about Kobe said when he was in high school, he was number forty six ranked number forty six. He said he looked up all the other to all the other guys from and said. I'm getting him. They were on a he had a bounty his essentially on these guys, and he said I play against them, and I wouldn't show my best stuff, but I knew I saw their best stuff, and I just gave him a glimpse of mine, and he said for the next myself. I'm, GONNA raise my game to another level so Kobe. Bryant had the be in there, as probably wanted to more egotistical guys around around that there. We now love. He's gone, but when he play, he was, he was essentially the. There's no team in women. There's an I. yeah loves Jackson. Love Shack giving it out that was. This is cold and callous as CABELA's. Here's the thing if you can back it up if you don't back it up, then you know what you out there and don't. You can't feel sorry for so for someone like that to get the heat, but when you do back it up and you go out there and win succeed. You do what you say you were going to do well, what's better than that? This is this is. About the exactly that get on my before this game. Get on my back boys. Twenty, four, eight and eight. And two block shots in game seven game. Finals so then get in doesn't get too much better than this. The best who tours sports game seven. That's right, yeah!

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Billy Gardell's M&M Obsession, Bill Crawford The Sports Memorabilia Connoisseur, Joining a Nudist Colony During COVID

Randy Baumann and the DVE Morning Show

2:21:45 hr | 11 months ago

Billy Gardell's M&M Obsession, Bill Crawford The Sports Memorabilia Connoisseur, Joining a Nudist Colony During COVID

"The true of It's fifty eight degrees now a d. v. e., M., val porter, a Pittsburgh. Police are asking for help identifying a man they say struck a Pittsburgh police mounted unit horse at during a protest last month the man reportedly hit and pushed the horse downtown protest may thirtieth anyone with information on that man seen in the surveillance photo is asked to contact the damage, assessment and Accountability Task Force and federal. Federal investigators offering twenty five hundred dollar reward for information, leading to the arrest of a man who spray painted messages on the William S Moorhead Federal Building Downtown. A surveillance photo of the man was released Monday accusing him spray painting messages onto the building may thirty first. He was also reportedly seen marking other buildings along grant street that night channel eleven has mugshots of both those men on their website. President trump blames the media for trying to shame him over a planned rally in Tulsa. That's coming up this. Saturday concerns have been raised about holding a large rally amid the coronavirus pandemic trump tweeted the quote. far-left fake news media had no cova problem and quote with massive protests after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, said, the attempted shaming won't work. Saturday's rally is trump's first since March as of now no policy that requires attendees at the rally in Tulsa to wear masks however Oklahoma Republican Party Chairman David Maclean says that could change McLean emphasized personal responsibility when it comes to deciding when to wear a mask. If if there's no real issue, then. Why does he have a disclaimer on the application to go to the rally that they're not responsible for any exposure to covert like obviously. There's some clearly. There's clearly like there's a risk and there was a risk for the protest. It's not the people didn't have a problem with it, but people understood that when something like that erupts. On rest, people are going to go out into the streets. There's a difference between that and wanting to go to applebees. I mean you if you can't see the difference their you know I. Don't know what the to- you. Federal health officials say Kobe nineteen death rates are much higher among patients with chronic illnesses. A new CDC report shows death. Rates are twelve times higher for adults suffering from heart, disease, diabetes and lung disease. It also found patients with chronic condition where six times more likely to be hospitalized. The data revealed minorities are disproportionately affected by the pandemic about a third of the confirm coronavirus cases were among Hispanics while twenty two percent were black. T. Mobile says. Says nationwide, calling and texting outages, it lasted more than twelve hours have been fixed. Service went down just afternoon yesterday. It wasn't restored until about one a M. The nation's number three wireless carrier says the problem was not a distributed denial of service attack. A blog post by CEO Mike seaver blamed the outage on an IP traffic related issue that created significant capacity issues in the network core, which is a lot of technical talk for just didn't work. Okay? I don't know what any of that means I don't think anybody cares. Just tell me why didn't have. Thirteen hours. the FCC is investigating that by the way. Six ebay employees are facing federal charges for allegedly cyber stalking and harassing a Massachusetts couple who ran an ECOMMERCE newsletter speaking with reporters US Attorney Andrew Lulling said Ebay was enraged by the coverage of the company on couples website. He called it a systematic campaign fueled by the resources of a fortune, five hundred company to emotionally and psychologically terrorize this middle aged couple employees allegedly sent disturbing packages to the couple's home as well as anonymous threatening letters online and surveilling them in the Boston area. One of the former employees had been arrested. Another was being actively sought by authorities. Burger King adding a meat free sandwich to its breakfast menu. The company says the impossible CRA sandwich made with a meat. Free Sausage will be available for a limited time at participating locations nationwide. The new addition to the lineup comes as fast food chains report slumping breakfast sales amid the coronavirus pandemic. Swiss officials are looking for someone who left hundred ninety thousand dollars worth of gold bars on a train. The unclaimed treasure was found in a passenger train arriving in Saint Gallen last. October authorities are just now making the discovery public after other investigations fell short. The rightful owner of the gold bars has five years to claim it. Seems managing risk. You realize you left behind. Gold diggers like that's pretty happy. It's it's not like you left behind it check. Feel like I'm missing something. Next year's Oscars are being postponed due the coronavirus pandemic. The Academy released a statement on twitter yesterday. Saying the 2021 Oscars will happen April twenty fifth. The awards were originally supposed to take place on February twenty eighth nominations will be announced on March fifteenth. The Academy also announced the Academy Museum will be opening. April thirtieth many films that were scheduled to be released. This year weren't because theaters were shut down the Oscars. No longer require. Applicants to have theater run to be eligible and some movies have chosen to do virtual releases on streaming platforms the academy also setting new standards to increase diversity in films. Considered to win an Oscar in a statement, the academy also said they will encourage equitable hiring practices for roles on and offscreen. The Academy has received criticism in years past for not recognizing film, starring or produced by women or people of color changes come amid ongoing worldwide protests. Part of the black lives matter movement against injustice. Gone With the wind will soon be returning to Hbo Max after it was pulled from the streaming service last week. When it returns the nineteen, thirty, nine civil war drama will include an introduction by Turner Classic. Movies silent Sunday nights host Jacqueline Stewart University of Chicago Department of Cinema and media studies professor, told CNN quote. I will provide an introduction placing the film in its multiple historical context and quote the Academy Award. Winning epic has been criticized for years for its depiction of black characters. And finally Howard stern firing back after video of his past use of. Of Humor went viral. He ripped donald trump junior for posting the nineteen ninety-three Sketch in which stern wore black face, e said the president's son has done his show in the past, and they're important things to worry about stern also said he was absolutely insane and one of done anything decades ago. He says that's the kind of stuff he did it at the time. He owns it, but he would completely change the approach now. He also said being in therapy has helped him change quite a bit over the years. Forecast Clouds and sun temperatures around eighty for the high. It's fifty eight a d. v.. E. Randy's on vacation this week. Mike Pursuit has sports coming up at the bottom of the hour, and we've got billy gardell on the way also going to hear from Sean Casey this hour. He will join US later in the show yesterday, but. You Know Sean Casey's always entertaining. we to him about the the Sammy Sosa Mark mcgwire Helm, run Derby, basically that one season, and of course had an encounter with Mark Maguire that he's beautifully, so we'll hear that later this morning. It's the TV show a new survey. Ask people about various foods and how? You pronounce them. Are you in the majority or the minority when it comes to how they're pronounced. CARAMEL. How do you pronounce it, Karma? Karma. Carmel Carmel. That's a Pittsburgh thing Yinzer in the minority, sixty five percent of people say. CARAMEL. Now, this one is actually one where I could see there being legitimate controversy. P., con. You it. Kahn or Pecan? If. You're in the southeast at one way, right? They draw it out. In the deep shot! It's Pecan Pecan. I think it's. P.. P. Con peak on Pie. pecan or Pecan and I always said. Or put put. I always said P.. CON like peacocks. Dude God. On. The wintered no matter yeah, but if there's a word that we can go Khan and we're GONNA. Hit that, so that's P. Con. He wants him because. I did a mixture of the two I would say Pecan, but that's not one of two options. It's either pecan or pecan. And, I said. Put More English shopping fall. That's nice. That's like a finger. Roll into to good again. That's the causes me. Being a people pleaser. The winner is. Sixty eight President pecan! Yes, it is. PECAN! Mike feel strongly. Jalopy! No, is it what how Pino or Jalapeno Pene? Pinon, if you if you Jalapeno, you've never changed a flat tire in your life. I say it like it's a like a Latin baseball player here she. Says I probably whoever shows you probably has linen pants on. seersucker suit. Forty percent of people say. Jalapeno. Not Paying a Jalapeno popper no. Pino popper. Pino Pino. Pino Young Yo. You gotTA, hit. Tom We didn't recognize those you know I, don't I don't recognize letter adjacent little S- Quigley's. Letter adjacent. Espresso Oh God. Is this one dry. It's his. It's Espresso Not Bresso. I-. I-, I- full blown Pittsburgh that up I hit the action at crash? I've blown I bought it out. DVD Sports. report DVD sports brought to our by Keystone Cleaning Services Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred has done a one eighty regarding the likelihood. Of, even a shortened. This season Manford, appeared on ESPN with Mike Greenberg. Yesterday and said that he's quote. Not Confident Unquote that there will be baseball season as long as there's no dialogue between the Players Association and Major League baseball now Manfred had said last week during coverage of baseball's draft that they're unequivocably would be a season. One hundred percent certain of that. And now he is not confident This is a response to. Major League, Baseball Players Association telling management. There's no sense having further talks because what has gone on so far has not in the players estimation been conducted in good faith. They're not getting anywhere, so the players response was. To tell management, go ahead, call. Short and season will take are pro rated salaries. Just tell us when and where was the initial response to the players yesterday? MLB Executive Director Tony. Clark issued a statement. Responding to Manfred 's not confident comments. Here's what Clarke had to say. Quote players are disgusted that after rob Manfred unequivocally told players and fans there with one hundred percent be a twenty twenty season. He has decided to go back on his word, and it's now threatening to cancel the entire season. The latest threat is just one more indication that Major League baseball has been negotiating it bad faith since the beginning, this has always been about extracting additional pay cuts from players, and this is just another day and another bad faith tactic in their ongoing campaign. Somebody should ask both of these guys if they think people have had enough of the. Public spatting back and forth, because I think the answer wouldn't. Be, yes and there will be a percent chance. One hundred percent chance and everybody wants both of these sides to shut up until they decide to play or not play. Just. Tell us we're not right now. Airing the grievances stopped the back and forth in the media. It's not a public relations war. Figure it out or don't but please shut the hell up. As Val mentioned before the break acces chance to go to a press conference. Yesterday was out at Robert. Morris the colonials announcing that they are joining. The Horizon League formerly a member of the Northeast Conference Robert Morris will compete in men's and women's soccer volleyball, women's cross country and indoor and outdoor track and field men's and women's basketball, men's golf and softball in the Horizon League, which is a significant step up in class and competition from the Northeast Conference as far NC double, a basketball is concerned arm. You also announced that its football program will be an independent. Season this coming season, and then joined the NC Double A. One double a big south conference in Twenty Twenty one head coach Bat head basketball coach Andy Tall obviously pleased about the step up to the rise in league. He said that moving up in class was a natural progression for his program. I mean I think it was certainly a part of. The next step in our process. Obviously you see event center was a great addition to our Athletics Department into our basketball programs and I think you know with the evolution of how we were operating I. Think this was a kind of the next step for that, you know. I've gotten a ton of tax from from the coaches in in the last day or even as. Dr Howard and Chris were speaking. You know that the news became official and we a lot of great robberies and a lot of great competition. I think the NEC is a league that is not as respected for some of the teams and programs and players that are in it. And I was. This is a little bit set up when you look at you, know Ken Palmer RPI's or Netzer in all those different kind of rankings, and we'll be ready for those challenges. You know it's GonNa be figuring out. Maybe some new tendencies coaches obviously scouting this year will be critically important as we get to learn new personnel new systems new styles. But, that's part of our job as coaches and we're looking forward to that challenge. Directly net audio with. My background, crystal clear. All I could think of that whole time was that it was so refreshing to hear audio that wasn't obviously extracted from zoom call where the person is talking into their built in Computer Mike. Wash through a laptop an IPAD. Email to Joe. He runs it through the washing machine. That old thing with the rollers and Hanging out on the line and then you get to. In stepped on so many times by the time we get it. and. That events much Ted's to cover something that was fun. Claudio won the championship of the Northeast Conference on March tenth, but they didn't get to go to the NC double a basketball tournament because there was no tournament they've gone to the NC Double A.'s nine times out of the NEC and been in the title. Game Fourteen Times since nineteen eighty-one, but according to University President Dr Chris our arm. You improving conference lot had been a long discussed subject at Robert Morris. The day I was recruited. Within conversation to be President Robert More was discussion of which conference was the right conference and I always said we're at any seats and we're not in any scene. We're very proud to have been members almost thirty nine four years so you know I? Think it's the mark of a program that strong and getting stronger that there has been I think constant. Discussion and Gossiping at war about where we land and I'm excited that we're landing here today. He actually said the. Initial discussions began in seventeen, eighty seven, and they were begun by the actual more. Little cavity for the show. It was an interesting day in that it was live. attended in person press conference, and they also incorporated the Zoom aspects that we've all come to know and love of late the Horizon League commissioner. Jonathan Be Lacroix N- appeared virtually and explained it. The rise in League has lofty goals for its basketball programs. Robert Morris fit right in with the attaining of those. Early on when King and I. Explored our dreams and aspirations. Early in the conversation it was about. WHAT'S THE ASPIRATION FOR OUR LEAGUE ASPIRATION? Our League is we went back to the final four. There's nothing like it and we can't do it. It rally included three elements. Do you think? Basketball number one we. Have to have an extraordinarily robust commitment. With us and to our broadcast ESPN which we do. That coincided with. Chris Vision. Secondly. You have to have a great place to have your tournament and we have that in Indianapolis. It's A. Destination Sitting. It's an unbelievable place to host major events, the right place for us. And third. We have to have the right approach to scheduling. Such that. Are Bottom doesn't hold back the top, and so we want multiple teams. We went higher seat path. So. And then in addition to that as funding and facility and. As we explored. What both sides wanted those were those were the elements, so the facility was a huge factor. And the arm you commitment was a huge factor along with our three league elements that adjust explain, so it was a natural fit from a basketball perspective. Bellevue seen a concert at the UP EMC vents center. I haven't. It's. Great for shows. Soon Outstanding Facility haven't seen his show there, but I've seen a couple of games there. They just opened that last year four thousand seats state of the yard. Demands that the program upgrade and you heard the Commissioner of the Horizon League Jonathan Lacroix talk about we want to get back to the final four Butler went to the final four Butler used to be a member of the rise in Lake Butler went to the championship game in two, thousand, Ten and two thousand and eleven the basic difference between these conferences. The northeast is one of those conferences. Okay, let them play and they let their league champion. entered the C. Double A. Tournament, the big dance, and then you get crappy seed, and if you don't play somebody. Of Your level in the play in games you end up playing duke or Kansas or north. Carolina somebody like that and I to get blown off the floor, and then you get some nice parting. Guests in the Horizon League. You can actually. Do some damage in the answer Aa Tournament. You can win NC Double A. Games. It has been on occasion not regularly, but on occasion a multi bid league, so that is a big deal for our basketball can't wait to see. Where they end up taking this move bill. Do you think they're up to it Mike like. Do you think that the first couple of seasons? They're going to be able to compete at that level. I think the first one might be a little rough, but yeah I also I also think that one of the best young coaches in the game, and Andy, tall, and one of the things that's been a problem for them. One of the things is a problem for them for a while now has been the hill. Recruit guys in an end up airing out because. Because he's able to over recruit, and the players WanNa go that face a a better challenge that shouldn't be an issue and his recruiting should upgrade because you got more visibility in this conference. You're playing a better breed of cat so to speak not. I think they'll get it done sooner rather than later I. I, really think Andy Tolls. The better coaches Well let me just see some really good coach. I think he's done a great job and Yeah, I think he's up to this challenge. speaking to coaches Oklahoma state's Mike. Gundy stepped in it again yesterday. well, maybe not yesterday, but video of Gandhi or excuse me a photo of GonNA recent fishing trip. While up surfacing Gundy wearing a t-shirt representing one America News. Network you might know that is Oh a. n. that's considered a fringe right wing cable channel. That's heavily. Slanted toward President Donald Trump. A lot of people don't like A and because of that it turns out one of the people that didn't like it was Wanna Gundy's best players running back? trouble Hubbard. Who led the NC Double Aa in rushing last year. He issued a video upon seeing the picture of Gandhi. In that t shirt. Hubbard tweeted that he was not going to stand for this quote I will not be doing anything with Oklahoma state until until things change well, all's well. That ends well. At least for the time. Being Gundy Hubbard wound up getting together and recording video. They posted it on Hubbard's twitter account. Gandhi said that He is now realized the insensitivity of wearing such shirt and Hubbard has said that he should have gone to the coach and complaint face to face rather than going on twitter, but supposedly bill going to work together now and everything out. I think what they should do. First is ripped down a couple of confederate statues together. I think that that will really bond them. Of, bring them in together. Maybe they can burn a couple confederate flags and then really get a good start to the season. Yeah well. I think I think we're you know as long as we're focusing on. Movies that were made in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, nine and flags, and t shirts, and statues and songs, and not so concerned about police, brutality and Engaging in democracy in terms of registering to vote in voting and holding our political leaders accountable I think we're on the This is this is remember yesterday I was talking about. Let's keep our eye on the ball and not sweat the small stuff that. Insensitive as it was, it's a t-shirt shirt. We got. We got bigger worries, do we? We definitely do but I think I understand why the players would have a problem with that. At this moment, it's sort of like drew brees. Comments you know at this exact moment. Voices are critical. Symbolism is critical, you know. Are you with us or are you against us? Kind of thing is crucial, and if it if that's your coach. I mean I. I definitely have an issue with it and he did, and they talked so good for them. Yeah. Combat Oklahoma state. Look out for them if we play football this fall. Thanks Mike, when we come back. We're going to hear from the Mayor Sean Casey. He joined US later in the show yesterday, talking about his experiences with Mark Maguire back in the summer that mark mcgwire and Sammy Sosa were just banging home runs every day, so That's up next. It's. The morning show on Puerto With Bill Crawford and like Ceuta producer Joe Rickey joining us now the always delightful. then. They are Sean Casey Hey. What's up? Guys how we feel happy Monday to you guys. Happy Monday to you. Always so energetic! You know what about I gotta get. My I was just thinking to myself man I. I just got up I usually. I hit the program coffee at night, but I forgot last night I. Got I got call TV for my coffee, so I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. Stepping in. Gloves on. Exactly, yeah, no big deal you. You know it's like. Yeah, it's like get. An advantage blocks no padded gloves. Making Erie out. Okay let's. Let's start with ESPN show last night. The mcgwire Sosa show. From what I saw that it it. Seemed just as exciting as it was. Back in ninety eight, but you had a pretty interesting perspective on that just kind of taking your first significant steps in the big leagues. What are you remember most about that? All my God my gear brought me back to watching the last night like I literally I was a rookie I was twenty, three old, wide eyed kid I just come back and when I got traded. The Reds Open Day ear I had an injury early on and on I had orbital fracture so coming back from that, so it's coming back for that Jean. Right like June July when it was really heating up. And You know it's crazy because I remember like I when I first got to the big leagues. That was still a fan, so I was like. Oh, it's so cool that I'm here, but I was like Oh God actually have give hits like say here, you know. It's so. Torn because when Maguire was so so, what's happening? Then? It was a larger than life. They were saying last night that it felt figured in any world series. Ever it was man. It was larger than life and play the cardinals. We played them eight thousand times, and the cubs eighteen times, so you're literally right in the middle of the race, but I remember I got a great story so. It was like June or July. I think we were playing. We were playing the The cardinals and like I, said I just come back injury, but I was a few weeks back and. And a full house, and since he's probably sixty thousand people fifty five thousand riverfront soon as you feel it, and we testing walk, Walk Maguire the first fat. And and I wasn't hit. Great I'm thinking man. I might be getting sent down here soon, but I was like at least I'll get to talk to mark Maguire. L. At least I get a conversation. In, the middle of one of the greatest run home on chase ever right so like I go to walk over. And not the first State stugotz right there. It's energy and Jack with managers like Paik's play behind them like you. You know at first base. You always play behind the guys that can't feel bases. You don't hold those guys because they're not going anywhere. And I remember thinking like Oh man i. don't WanNa play behind look. I JUST WANNA. Get a quick conversation. 'cause like you know. I got I got a few things have happened. My Life I've played catch Bob Feller. I've a couple of hits in the big leagues now. If I can talk, Mark Maguire, my you know my life's complete, so he's like play behind pissed off, but I I walked up close enough to be like. Hey, what's up to smack? He's my buddy or something. He's Crawford. Suffolk back and he's like curves and was like. Hey, what's up, Sean? I was like yes, but my name. So the next. The comes along. We Walk Maguire again. I'm like exit I go I'm not even looking at God. I don't need to rescues I'm twenty I'm twenty three year old girl man i. don't need the records from anybody I'm holding Maguire on getting a quick conversation, and so I go walking over I you know, I turn my back to the dugout. I started talking wire. Hey, man is really cool. still watch you hit batting practice. You hit him in the upper, and no one else does freedom phenomenally. It's really been fun watching these like. Case really appreciate. What a crazy run! It's been and the all and his son was the baffling. Like Hey, is that cool having to adapt boy? You know he's like Oh. Yeah, it's really. During, the time Pumpkin Maguire, Jack mckeon, trying to get my attention to tell me to play behind him, but I don't even hear him because I'm so walk into this conversation wire, I can hear anybody in the world that you could have been these your Bongo out. I wouldn't even notice I was like. My Great Day of my life, talking to Martha Clare, right. So so next thing I know the whole dugouts play behind him. Case play behind the plate behind now. They're tells us now. They tell the pitcher. Hey, stuff off that far. OFF I. Hope Out McCain and the whole now the players are pissed games the way because case. Anybody? Come. Maguire says to me okay, because I think they want. They wanted to get your attention in the dugout so I turn around. Look Your Daddy. Without. You for five minutes. So. Play by Maguire. Anyway, that was that was like. Got Free Minute Conversation with Margaret everyone in the world job. You played by it, but I really didn't care. You're coming into the big leagues. You mentioned you know rookie year and you're. You're watching this unfold. was like something nobody had seen since nineteen, sixty one or What's your reaction that as a guy who is trying to figure out at this time if you belong where you are? Well that's the great thing about where I was I, was you know my first big-league I knew I was witnessed history. And it was like it was surreal. It was literally when I watched it last night yesterday on Mike I can't believe I was like. Thank you God for like sledding. Medium harder and I don't know if you guys saw, but I was. I was in the documentary. You missed it I don't know how to get any royalties for it. I'm a little pissed off about that, but. Maguire? mcgwire hit number sixty against us in Saint, Louis Right Authentic race, and when and when he hit sixty last night. I'm like walking. I got my kids watch. Like I can't ready your. I am and Maguire Turns Bertha Sam I, am I? I like to have right there. You're right words. Right what did hit number six? Oh, he is. How about this? This is really cool. He had sixty against US right so I'm like Oh. Man, this is unbelievable now what? We're playing. We're playing the cardinals in Saint Louis, so he had sixty against us in a dating. And then, and then they they have three games against the cubs. And then they come the, and then they come to Cincinnati. Right. And so so. Here's number sixty and I'm like is so everyone's thinking when he hit sixty, one or sixty two. You know what's going to happen house. Everyone GonNa React, and so I remember thinking to myself Oh my God if he won against the cubs, and then his fifty two insists he I was like I was thinking the first base of what's my reaction? I was like I'll be the first guy to see him. I'M GONNA. Give him a huge hug. When he first base, there was a history. Do that's the that's what I was thinking, but anyway he ends up hitting sixty one and then member. He had sixty two off track, so in Chicago and Mark Grace gave the old a high five. Slap on the, but you know to. The, but they came to Cincinnati the next night fifty, five thousand sold out crowd, Tony. Larussa didn't have them in the lineup. And Maguire went to Larussa and say hey, listen. All these people are here. See me I just hit sixty two yesterday. I got play, so he he was, he was gracious enough to play his first two path at Cincinnati the night after sixty two, so it was just. Unbelievable and I and I hate to even talk about so success. What's Sosa was doing was unbelievable to? It was just it was an unbelievable summit. Oh Yeah Twenty home runs in June for Sosa. I mean twenty one homers and twenty two games like he was on fire because at the beginning remember case it was. Griffey was in the mix and then all of sudden. And then all of a sudden, Sosa comes out of nowhere, but one thing I didn't see I. Don't I didn't remember about that. Season was that the table was set from ninety seven, because mcgwire hit fifty eight Knox in in in ninety seven so right from the jump, the pressure was there the stage was set, and then he hits sixty one at home with the mayor's family there on his dad's sixty first birthday like that is just. That's the stuff of legend I mean that whole season was just insane. Right bill you're right because he hit that fifty year before you're right coming in there, like maybe he's the guy that could beat, Meyerson. Yeah for him. That was cool part of the story when he said he had sixty one on his dad. Sixty first birthday I was like you know that you know the universe knows I don't know it's amazing stuff and and just. Just you're right, but even the Sosa stuff. 'CAUSE I. It was great for me to like like I said I had that front row seat and I played against so maguire vision so like when we go when we went to Wrigley I know a few of those hit against the rats because we were just poop soup up there frigging like we were like. Are you can. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA throw this in Jose. Survey is going GONNA. Throw this in their eighty seven with no sink. See Four. You can hit us, so it's a real quick and he was like Oh. We're just like Waylon Avenue. So like I watch them I watch sausages, crushing balls to and then when he hit that we was that twenty one bombs at twenty two days ridiculous like it was just it was next level, but to watch them go back and forth that was cool when when Maguire got the sixty two and Sosa was at fifty eight, and then next thing you know Sosa was that it was tied sixty two army. It was it was unbelievable. UNBELIEVABLE HISTORY, Jeeze! Case this the steroid element change. Your remembrance of at all doesn't appear to bother Sammy Sosa based on what he said last night and I require is been sort of. He's had a difficult time I think expressing what he feels about it, but in retrospect. They feel differently about it now that you did then. No I don't matter of fact I think now that I'm older and I look back and really appreciate it. I appreciate it more I. Don't know I I have so many mixed emotions about the steroid stuff. Just because you know I was I was in that and You know whatever you know I everyone was doing steroids like you know I know those guys. Are you know obviously in the in the midst of that and stuff, but I I wanna tell you this, and I don't even know it just means anything, but I've played with a bunch of kids on steroids and they were worse. They were. Get off that age. You need to get off that age the that agro as quick as possible because you're terrible, you were better last year. How about how about how Sosa? Looks like his appearance. I mean just seeing the footage of him back in the day. You know he's this young good looking guy who's just hitting jacks all over the place. And now he looks like he owns a vampire restaurant I. Got The strangest look going I. Don't know what that is. Be Does look a little lighter a little different. They definitely done looks little different but I would feed. Sosa was DEFEC- different now than when he played two years ago. What are we going to see this summer case forty eight Games full probation and We'll see what we see or do you think there's still chance they get? Something hammered out. Forty eight days Mike You, can you imagine that who wants to see forty as a basic baseball port? Is You know it's a marathon I? I hope they hammer something out, and we get more games than forty eight. It just would be weird to play the season, but forty eight game, so I'm hoping they earn. Something figured out and You know we can get some Major League Baseball here hopefully at least seventy eight eighty eighty one games. Well always great to have you on. That was an awesome. Story about. Mark McGuire that was great. Story that will go down in history we'll. We'll be listening to that for a long time. And don't forget this real. Quick my when I got married in Nineteen, Ninety nine and I gave my I gave all my. GROOMSMEN, bats, and one of the bats I was I was holding on online a couple of weeks later I was like. Getting married a few months as you can over that. He was like at, he looked at me like this guy's got problems, and then he sent me over. Nobody my bridal party in my. one of my crews will have the Mark Maguire. FROM THAT SEASON were. Really! Lovely. Ability to have maybe you. Believe. The Mayor Sean Casey as always. Thanks for joining us this more does. Pittsburgh? When did he go to mellencamp well? He was sorry us born and Mellencamp Oh he was okay. He was born mellencamp, and then they changed his name to Cougar. That guy. Smell went so many cigarette smoke in the shower regularly. Can you imagine like getting in the shower? Like dammit I forgot my smokes. I smoked and I took showers. Never crossed my mind media I don't think I ever had shower. Actually, that's not true. I've definitely had a cigarette shower. When I was a kid, smoking cigarettes sneaking them I would go into the shower and have a different in my house. You could turn on the shower and the steam would. May Have Cigarette in there and then one time I was using a shampoo bottle for stray ever. That's my sister's like. Are you smoking in the shower Mike. Stopping smoking the shower, or do you think I am John Mellencamp? She's like why did I pour cigarette under my aunt then on my? Randy Bellman and the. Morning Show. It's twelve minutes after seven. A DVD here's channel eleven severe weather center forecast through of. Fifty eight degrees at dv, I'm val porter. Tensions are high as South Korean officials report North, Korea has blown up the joint liaison office with the south near the border town of K. Song. The destruction of the office comes almost immediately after the north renewed military threats against the south and days after the north cut off all contact with the South Korea has in recent weeks, condemned the south for allowing anti-north propaganda across the border by balloon or drone. The Supreme Court is declining to hear cases about qualified immunity for police. Currently, it is difficult to sue police for misconduct. Critics say the doctrine protects police and government officials from accountability, thousand Senate or crafting their own versions of police, reforms. Atlanta Mayor Kisha Lands Bottoms is taking action following the police shooting death of Racial Brooks speaking yesterday mayor. Lance bottom said she's issuing orders which include an officer having a duty to intervene if they see another officer using excessive force. She stressed that officers are meant to be guardians in the community not. Warriors. Brooks died after being shot Friday during a confrontation with police in a Wendy's parking lot. Over two hundred one thousand people could lose their lives to cope with nineteen in the US by October first. That's according to a new model from the Institute for Health Metrics and evaluation at the University of Washington. 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Away, right so low, always safe updated measures now advised residents to wear face masks during intercourse. which could be? Problematic and they. They also advise you get creative using walls. Well online users have now assume that means glory holes are good is. God, I'm not I. Don't know the new advice also says people should limit their numbers of partners and only have sex. Put The people you really trust so for now lay off the hook. Most twenty twenty thing ever twenty twenty let's. Bring Back Glory Holes. Though the corona virus can spread through saliva, mucus and breath. It is not known yet if it can be transmitted through sex. So for now by yourself or with someone, you trust only safe way to go. With a mask on make sure you. Ask is important. A gas mask. NFL draft right. I was going to say the one Larry. Tunsil was wearing. Except without, don't connect to the Bong connected to. An oxygen, tank or something. You're. GonNa go look like you're scuba diving when you come into the bedroom. And fitness centers have begun to reopen and states with relaxed restrictions. There is a safe way to ditch the zoom fitness classes, and return to your favorite Jim, one doctor, offering the following vice to work out safely and a pandemic bring to towels with you to the gym, one to wipe equipment one for your face and try not to mix them up. Carry your own disinfecting wipes to wipe down. All the equipment. If you have any despair. Good idea exercise facing the wall more walls here exercise facing the wall or a mirror rather than facing the room, no heavy breathing around another person. How do you work out of not? especially if you're doing cardio. Not Hard, you have to work out not hard. Right short near workout time, get in, take care of business. Get out shower at home, and in fact, try to avoid the locker room completely. And once you do get home. Your your gym clothes and your towel have to go right into the laundry. So. That's what drew. Do not use the glory hole at the gym. That's that's a different kind of workout. You might not be expecting when you go into the gym. A Florida man is expected to recover after he was bitten in the face by an alligator police in largo say Travis Spitzer was in Taylor Lake last week looking for a Frisbee when the gator struck. Why would you do that in Florida? Just wander into some random lake. Spitzer reportedly used his hand to prime cell free before getting help. Wildlife officials say Florida is at the peak of alligator mating season, leading to much more activity from the reptiles. They are still looking for the gator involved in the incident. Net is committing five million dollars to nonprofits that benefit the black community shadow and act reported the streaming giants initiative company's CEO Reed Hastings says it will create direct communities for Black Youth and creators along with black owned businesses, portion of the funds will be given to organizations like the ghetto film, school, firelight, media and black public media, youth groups like know your rights camp will also be awarded grants and addition to the funds. Netflix will match employee donations at two hundred percent. Sammy Hagar the circle posted their eighth lockdown instagram performance this time it's right now from van. halen's nineteen ninety one album unlawful carnal knowledge, no keyboards, though on this one Sammy, said quote when I wrote the song with Eddie Van Halen over thirty years ago I had no idea it would be so relevant today, quote. This is the second van. Halen Song Sammy and the circle have done. Done during self-isolation the I was good enough. That was elite truck track off his first album with the band that was fifty, one fifty back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six, the six other songs they've done during self self isolation are little. Richard's keep a knockin Buffalo Springfield for what it's worth whole Lotta Rosie from AC DC. Three little birds by Bob Marley and the. The WHO won't get fooled again and an original song funky functions way you can check out those performances from Sami and the circle UNIN instagram. Finally Tommy Lee says Motley crue agreed to reunite five years after its final tour. Because the band was given the opportunity to do something they'd never done before tour stadiums in the years between the band's Filler, Farewell Tour and the success of the dirt bio-pic last year, the band members repeatedly denied that there was any possibility for a reunion. Well rumors started picking up steam in November and the band decided it stadium tour with DEF Leppard. Poison and Joan Jett and the blackhawks was a good thing. Tommy was asked by Sirius Xm's debatable about what ultimately led to the unanimous change of heart. He said quote, and here it is for years later live. Nation asked us if we'd like to do a stadium tour. And all of us were like, and then we thought about it for a minute, and we were like that's the one thing. This band has never done end quote. They officially announced the tour in December. It had already sold over a million tickets and earned over a hundred thirty million dollars by the end of January. This was going to be a huge tour this summer. those shows including the August sixteenth show here at PNC park have been postponed until next summer. I don't think they released dates or anything yet, but yeah, they pushed all those two next summer. See! This is why they say you have to strike while the iron is hot. If they would have done that if they would have announced. This tour were put this tour together right after that movie came out, they got it in. That money would secured in their bank accounts. You have to strike while the irons hot, and also while the pandemic is cold. You have to make those pandemic when you're about to do your first stadium tour the band. Yes. That is one show that for me. I was like I'm taking. That was a Sunday night show uptake at Monday off. I'm going to spend all day downtown. That weakened that whole weekend was going to be insane down there. There was a steeler preseason game on Friday night. Green Day on Saturday. Something else to write. was there something out at Store Lakers? I don't remember, but all that stuff was on the north shore. Yeah right, that would have been on. And then sided night with the Oh my God. That was going to be. That was going to be an epic epic weekend of debauchery. We will have to now wait. Clouds and Sun Eighty for the high. Today should be a pretty nice day. No humidity is fifty eight now at dv Mike Scott sports coming up next. What's What are we looking forward to hear? While, we're going to. Talk about Robert Morris, changing conferences, but this hour we're going to focus on what the university president. Dr Chris! King is doing to try to change America. Perfect, that's on the way. Mike Scott sports next it's DV. Dv Sports. Report sports brought to you this hour by bridge. Ville Appliance Big Day Robert Morris yesterday. The colonials announcing that the majority of their sports programs are going to be joining the Horizon League for the upcoming twenty twenty one seasons, assuming there are any and that that includes men's and women's basketball a arm. You also announced that the football program will play this coming season if there is one as an independent and then joined the Big South Conference in Twenty, twenty one, but the university president. Dr Chris Howard also kind of preface proceedings by pointing out that. It's his opinion that sports has to play a vital role in changing the culture in America Changing the the social justice norms and establishing better America Dr Howard believes that does sports can and must play a pivotal role in that. Part of the program yesterday included. Or Athletic Director Chris King. Listing Howard's resume of happy to hear Chris. King do that because Dr Chris. Howard's resume. Is One to consider. He's a distinguished graduate of the United. States Air Force Academy. He's a Rhode Scholar. He's got a doctorate in politics of the University of Oxford. He's got NBA with distinction from Harvard Business. School Got Bronze Star for service in Afghanistan. That's just the academic portion. The athletics portion is just a significant and impressive. He's a member of the Knight Commission on intercollegiate Athletics He's a recent member of the College Football Playoff Selection Committee. He's a former member of the NCAA Honors Committee. He was an academic, all American, as a running back at air force, and was a winner of the Campbell trophy as the nation's top football scholar athlete, he's also a member of the Kasitah academic. All American Hall of fame, and he's a winner of the NCAA Silver Anniversary Award. Wow. Resume Right. He's also Dr Chris Our An? African American and given what's been going on in our country late I wanted to ask Dr Howard. After yesterday's program had wrapped up was he able to achieve all that? He has because who he is or inspite of who he is. And, I think you're not asking that question soon. Fifteen, two thousand, twenty winning GonNa. Ask It! Yeah, I think that. As an African American man, it has been uniquely challenging for me. And for black men across America. I've always said that my race is has been either. A multiplier or divider? It hasn't been tractor adder and when I mean that. When things go poorly I've heard of course. Of course I knew that I mean. What happens guys like that. When things go well, it's like Oh wow all. That happens to be black. Wow! My Mom told me when I was a kid. Caroline Howard that you're GonNa have to work harder. You're going to have to be more diligent. You're going to have to be. More aware because the margin of error is lower than your white counterparts. And that's what I was raised with and I tried my best up to it I'm not saying it's fair, but that's the way I grew up. And that's the mantra. Mom gave me and I still live with it today. Having said that. This is a wonderful nation. Opportunities do abound, but we got some issues. We got to address and I can tell you some stories, but I'm not gonNa tell you now. Because not unique to me. Coach Parker tell you some stories as well. Every black man black woman could tell you similar stories. And so, what's interesting now going forward? Is this a seminal moment? Our nation's history to You know you mentioned Barack Obama to. He likes to call. Lincoln and say are union is not yet perfected, and we can do some things that make it better. Wow. Records to coach Clark was to Bernard Clark football coach who's also an African American and that really lays it out and I. Guess That's the first step you gotta identify the problems you gotTa talk about them. And then you've got to focus on doing something about them and That's something that Dr Chris Howard is committed to doing it Robert Morse. I lead affectively as a as a after American leading universities predominantly white, and they're not tons of us to do this. That are afforded this opportunity for lots of reasons so I. TRY TO BE EFFECTIVE President first and foremost in chief our mission our goals. Set Down by the board and as we with the board. Summer, one number two the number, one singular thing we can do for black Americans is attract as many as possible. And role as many as possible graduate as many as possible and support those individuals, and we've done a good job. We had an african-american Task Force on retention and graduation rate. We weren't super habit number years ago and we're moving in the right direction and We're putting together a task. Force is a proud to tell you putting together. Task Force a faculty and staff. Members of the athletic program, we'll be involved. We make an announcement by the end of the week on some concrete steps. You WanNa take. Yours. You're not going to address something four days for months or four years. It took four hundred years to create. So, we are thoughtful. We are. humbled. But we're ready and We've done some really good work. Predating my time here and you know it's uniquely important to me as an African American but I have full faith and confidence in the leadership team. The faculty staff and our alumni to to improve the. Americans in this country. Doctor Chris, our president at Ram you you know i. see him at all the G-? He comes to the hockey games. He comes to basketball games. He's really involved in the students lives. He's obviously got a great perspective and you know. The ability to to talk about these issues and get everything out in the open. That's not a theme that he has expressed uniquely, but I think the more times you hear that the better off. We are right and What really struck me about? His comments also is that. You know he hasn't lost hope and. America does work, but it's not working for nearly enough of us. Perceive things right now and we got I. Hate to bring back springsteen. All you guys, but he's been saying for years. Nobody wins unless everybody wins and not enough. People are winning. You know Dave Chapelle over the last weekend. Put Out. A special. Call eight forty six, and it was. It was pretty powerful stuff. It wasn't really even comedy, but it was important to watch. And he talked about being pulled over by a cop in Ohio. And being let off because he was recognized because he's Dave Chapelle, and that's where he lives. He lives outside of Dayton and the next night. That cop killed somebody and he said. You know you shouldn't have to be Dave Chapelle to not. Be, the, victim of a brutality or racism and Chris Rock always. Talks about how racism will be over in black, people can be average and still be as successful as white people. In like not having to have the over achievements in being so absurdly talented that like we're like Oh yeah well. Okay, you can. You can operate in this world. I. What what? The president said there was incredible. Yeah he's, he's really a fascinating guy. He's been there since two thousand and sixteen and I. Don't deal with a much because you know talk about sports for living but. He's got a pretty solid perspective. We get enough. Leadership such is that I think we got a chance. You wearing a massive? During the interview yesterday. Yeah, I can't remember I think. Were you wearing a mask out for for the vast majority of the time I was wearing a mask. I, think we took them off and I think I was doing the. Sort of extended the. Recorder thing we might have just forgotten. Slip back into old habits, and and talk to actual human beings that. Felt like they were going to survive the conversation much. When I was, it was interesting they had the seats were spread way apart, and everybody was wearing a mask and. All the media during during the presentation, the people speaking were not wearing masks, but they were well separated. They had some people on Zoom in a virtual attendance conference commissioners and things of that nature. I event since March Interesting, day on. A lot of levels yesterday we'll hear. Some of that stuff from Chris Howard again at nine thirty today. It's not a DVD on a DVD morning show rob. Manfred Major League Baseball Commissioner is now. Not Confident that there's going to be baseball season that according to comments made by Manfred with Mike Greenberg on ESPN yesterday. That is complete reversal of what Manfred had said during coverage of the major league draft last week back, then He had said quote unequivocally. We're going to play. Major League Baseball one hundred percent now. It's much less than that. They're fighting over the money. And what that March agreement between the players and the owners actually stipulated, and should the salaries be prorated? And how long should the season be and Blah Blah Blah one thing man for did Aknowledge yesterday? The public relations hit. The baseball is taking by starting laundry in public. This from the Greensburg excuse me Greenberg interview on ESPN. Manfred. said quote. It's just a disaster for our game. No question about it. It shouldn't be happening, and it's important that we find a way to get past it and get the game back on the field for benefit of our fence. I think everybody would agree with that. Guys how come they can't? Remotely, approach getting that done. No idea I mean the only argument Mike the only reason that we can see any logic in is because they're both posturing for the looming CBA agreement. That's coming out. Nobody wants to to budge. Bill until I hear better argument than that I'm with you that that seems. That seems like that's what's going on here and. You know I. I don't know how much they're putting the game and risk I hear a lot of people and people in the industry guys I've known for a long time that cover the sport for living and really have invested a great deal, and there's I'm tired of it I'm losing interest things of that nature. There's now. There's definite damage being done. Know I don't think it's going to go away forever, but. They're not doing himself any favors. Sports guys. Thanks Mike Billy Gardell joins us in the nine o'clock hour. It'd be good to have him on this morning and Al News coming up at the top of the hour to dvd. It's DVD morning. Show on VAL, Porno, with Bill Crawford, Niagara Suited Joe Rookie producer Randy off this week and a lot of different organizations closing down some while not opening summer. Programs, polls or not opening. limited capacity at amusement parks, but apparently nudist colonies, or is that we nudist Camp I. Don't know well there. I heard on Friday that there was a nudist park up in beaver county called White Thorn Lodge family, Nudist Park, that was closing, and and yeah, it's a it's a family park, which is really the best kind of nudist. Park, a lot of the the nudist parks aren't family friendly. And where else can you go with the whole family and see the guys from the band? In the Viagra, commercial play volleyball against the silver sneakers club from hopewell. Where else can you see that? With the whole family other than the family nudist park, so it's closed down for the summer and a lot of people are. Because no pun intended because. I guess. I guess it had to shut down because. A lot of the members of this park are. Fifty somethings, and maybe you're at a higher risk and. And, so it's best to to shut it all down, but this is news to me. I did not know that there was a nudist park so close by. You want to go visit bill. I am one hundred percent going to the white. Thorn Lodge in twenty twenty, one knocking to take the kids just because I don't want to have to explain to. My daughter's why someone would have multiple Pittsburgh sports logos tattooed next to their peeps but I. Definitely. I'm in for next season I'm in I. I WANNA get out there? I WANNA see what everybody's up to. and. And and takes. It I still have relatives. beaver county I lived in beaver county for a long time. and. I never knew this existed, and they just want to say I'm so happy. I didn't know this existed. It's been there since the sixties. They have a pool. You can plan visit. They even I'm on their website, they even. Have a section about Nudism, so if you have questions. Or wonder adultery here. I doubt you. And this one I'm not sure how you do it without hurting yourself and naked five K. Oh Man Yeah that one a lot of flopping in that you've got to secure flopping. On genders, there are things that it'd be secured. If. You're say what are the rules you? Are you allowed to secure that have to be. It's as. I mean I. GotTa. Go the full monty. I don't understand I feel like. The locker room at most. Are Minors for the Nudist Park like that's where you. Go to Watergate. Build your confidence. See if you got what it takes to go pro. You gotta give it to these people. They are confident. I wish I had that kind of confidence. It's. It's like I can't decide if if I feel like nudist colonies are the place where flashers can go and get consent, or it's where flashers go to retire like I'm done chasing people. I actually want to be around. People that are like me and and want to see. It all. Yeah. That's a great question, but you know if you want to dip, you're on the water of NUDISM. You have to wait till next week or next year. Now I know that like. If you go to the nudist part, there's there's a lot of different. There's etiquette right like obviously you can't take pictures. There's no staring. No pointing. What? Well I mean you know purpose I guess. If, if you do it, say. Listen. You're supposed to hide that you can't. That's not. That's like straight up amateur hour. They're like Oh Herald. Take it. Take it to the cabin. Get back in the RV. What's the matter with you? Some notes they offer on nudism. On the white thorn, Lodge Website Nudism is not against Christianity. I don't know if it says in the Bible but. According to them, it is not right. NUDISM is not a sexual activity. NUDISM will help your body image and your confidence. Well it. I think you gotTA A. Mirror. Naked. Yeah I don't even like to wear shorts I mean. Ugly legs. Keep! His word Turtleneck in the shower, yeah! So sad news for all the nudists in our area. They can't go to. The White Thorn Lodge this year. But. Better luck next year. Yeah work on the ballot for next year. Yeah. You got plenty of time. Get the NUDISM, body and shape. You got almost a year. Get ready to go. I have news. Coming up next took longer. You're doing that giant tire workout. Yeah progress is slow. I feel good, not ready for a return to beaver county anytime soon. If you are a dog lover, and you're looking for a fellow dog lover there as a dating app just for you and. You, guys know who the actor Ron Perlman is. Oh Yeah Oh boy. Oh boy, yeah, he is has been scrapping with politicians last couple of days, so we'll talk about the latest with those guys That's coming up in news. Billy Gardell at nine o'clock here on of. It is fifty nine degrees now a DVD. The news is brought to us by window nation. A food distribution program in Pittsburgh is expanding its efforts. The summer organizers organizers say grab and go summer meals for children will now continue through August thirty first at their current locations. The meals will be handed out every weekday during a four hour window. The meals include breakfast and lunch and grab and go meals for seniors will be available. Mondays Wednesdays and Fridays at a few new locations through the end of summer, including healthy active living locations in nine Pittsburgh neighborhoods. The Washington County Fair is canceled for this year. The Fair Boards President tells the Herald Standard. They didn't come to the decision. Lightly. Focusing on the safety of their stakeholders amid the COVID, nineteen pandemic mid August of that typically draws about fifty thousand visitors. Last year's estimated economic impact was about five point two million dollars, which that's one I, always go to so mom see that's not happening this year. and. It is a big win for LGBTQ civil rights at the US Supreme Court. I just completely lost my computer connection. Ringo The High Court ruled Monday, federal law bans workplace discrimination against Gay Lesbian and transgender people, Chief Justice John Roberts and justice neal gorsuch ruled with the High Court's for liberals. The ruling expands the ban on sex discrimination in the workplace. Federal Agency is providing a new online tool for people to bring civil rights violations to light. The Department of Justice launched the civil rights reporting. Portal on Monday officials explained it will dramatically ease the burden on victims of civil rights violations to identify the proper reporting channel. It's available in English and Spanish with more languages to be added in the future. The new portal can be found on the Department of Justice website. A report says the trump administration is attempting to block former National Security Advisor John Bolton's book release with a lawsuit according to ABC News, the lawsuit is expected to be filed in federal court. In the coming days. The book was supposed to be released earlier this year, but it underwent a standard review by the. National Security Council. After the White House that it contained classified material. The book titled The Room where it happened is set to be released one week from today. Bones book is expected to reveal misconduct from president trump with other countries Ukraine. So if the National Security Council looked at it, and he was able to release it. I guess they gave the a okay. I'm guessing. They WanNa tie this up in litigation until around November the election. Tense or something. The FDA is withdrawing its approval for to drugs previously used a tree corona virus, recent clinical trials for hydroxy, chloroquine and chloroquine suggests the drugs are ineffective as treatment for Kobe nineteen, and may also cause heart issues among other serious side effects. FDA officials had granted emergency youth author- authorization for the drugs in March, but now say the benefits do not outweigh the risks. Researchers at UCSF and Stanford say work on isolating so-called super antibodies could be the key to a corona virus vaccine. Scientists say antibodies that completely neutralize the virus have been found in fewer than five percent of Kobe nineteen patients. Several studies have shown their blood plasma could inoculate. However they're trying to figure out exactly how the Super Brannagh bodies work in how to produce enough of them. Researchers found between ten and twenty percent of patients showed no measurable antibodies, well seventy five percent, or more, developed high numbers, but not the neutralizing kind, so they may only provide temporary immunity. Pandemic having an effect on the Butler health systems bottom line, nearly sixty employees were laid off yesterday. Another ten were furloughed to help shore up the budget hospital officials say late lost tens of millions of dollars in revenue because of reduced services during the covid nineteen shutdowns. Do you guys. Want to go back to the office. Yeah Yeah. I do I can't wait. According to a CNBC survey, nineteen percent of workers who are working from home say they want to work at home forever. They don't ever want to go back. Wow. I hear I hear that though I mean if that's if if that's your life and you have a, you know maybe a toxic work environment. Sure Yeah, if you hate if you love your job. The people you work with. That maybe that's. That's an option for you I think it's good now that we know. We have the option to work at home if we have to. Yeah, OH, yeah! You have this whole other level like now. We have full set ups from home so for me like. The couple of days a week that my kids. Are with me during the week and I had to before my parents were helping me out, and they had to come over at five o'clock in the morning. To get the kids up and ready and off to school. Because I was already gone. Trench! Or if the kids are sick cracked. I'm fine doing this. You know talking to you guys in the morning and you know we're getting through this as best we can, and we've got to got to zoom in our hookup for our laptops, but. You know I yesterday. I was out at a press conference. That's my office to I. Have to go out and talk to people. I I can only do so much talking about what somebody said on ESPN last night. for for me for me to generate the kind of content that I wanNA generator I need to be places, but you know. I missed? You guys, too. And looked like I'm with you. I mean doing stand up on the weekends. I mean I'm out. I'm out among them. All the time and not having that is just the conversations you know what I was thinking about the other day just about our workplace and the work environment I remember being in high school, and being so excited to get the hell out of high school. That I didn't realize in the back of my head. All of like just the periphery. People like the people in the hallways that maybe you're not friends with on like A. I have your number. Let's go hang out basis, but you still like to run into and just joke around with, or you know, say hello to all of those people are sort of out of your life, and there's no real way to connect with them anymore and you. You Miss Them. Also Miss Valle getting all off when somebody leaves, two bytes left at the last piece of pizza. The pizza box on the counter in the kitchen and Way. To Garner scan. My. Office is down the hall and I could hear yelling. Did this. Who thinks this way? Yeah that's. A Fun game to play. WHO HIS VAL off today who was? Was it somebody in the Dj Cafe? Well must love dogs is more than just a movie. It'll be easier than ever to find that particular match with a new dating APP. It's called. DIG offers five potential matches every day. Users can choose whether to dig. Really dig or pass wants to people. Dig Each Other. The APPS suggests dog friendly locations for the perfect first date. Users also get tips and tricks of the day from head experts. Really why they? May I guess. Yes, sure why not? Why not? Already a single. If you're a single person devoted to your pet, then you know. You want somebody else. Who's GonNa love your pet. Trite you gotTA. Have That's high on your priority list. Why not? As fraley is heading back out on the road in August I stop August six that Gerbils in Warren Dale that's followed by a show at the Robins Theater and Warren Ohio on the set ace last performed in December. He has also announced scattered dates in the fall. In the meantime. He recently said he is using his downtime to work on a new album. This is in addition to his second collection of covers, which is origins volume two, and that is awaiting a release date. The Queen and Adam Lambert documentary. The show must go on is now streaming on net flicks? The documentary follows the band from the first time. They hit the stage together on American idol back in two thousand nine to where they are today, the documentary features interviews with band members and concert performances as well. Finally a pair of Republicans are looking to team up on a Hollywood heavyweight Senator Ted Cruz challenging Ron Perlman to a wrestling match against Congressman Jim Jordan after the sons of anarchy and hell boy actor went toe to toe with Congressman Matt gets on social, media over the weekend crews tweeted yesterday that he bet perlman couldn't last five minutes with Jordan without getting pinned, and he was even willing to bet ten thousand dollars on it while permanent than offered to donate fifty grand to black lives matter if it was Cruz, instead of Jordan and also joked, what kind of guy would volunteer another to fight in his place? So Ted Cruz like. Hey, you're going to wrestle. Jim Jordan, not me. Hey You keep talking trash that I over there is going to kick your ass. Tactic actually I might try that one. We're allowed to go out again if I ever run into any problems. So we'll see whether that actually comes to be forecasting ago and sons, my friend over there Rossler. Do. Temperatures around eight for the high today it is sixty three at DV importer with Bill Crawford Mike a coming up at the bottom of the hour was sports, and we'll be joined by. Billy Gardell in the nine o'clock hour on the morning morning. Show. We've been in the studio. We got six new songs coming out. By, not the phone real be yeah. Say. Happy, you have a song called Sp.. PIMP. Wheelchair and you'll shoes dirty. You need ethics. And you ticklish. You. got a bad song called Buddha mouth. bamber these gummy gummy pocket. You know hell no right now. Mouth. AGAPE! To! pull. Out! List of shake a breeze mov piece of right Gar cake. On your tongue, put your teeth clean as you've got booed him out. Burning my eyes for me to. Say Happy Birthday. Happy. Prices. Devi E. Sports. TV sports brought to you this hour by Dohrmann. Applied Big Day at Robert Morris yesterday the colonials announcing. A jump from the northeast conference to the Horizon League. In addition to men's and women's basketball, that's going to include men's and women's soccer volleyball, cross, country, indoor and outdoor track and field men's golf and girls softball. That'll start Assuming there's a season this fall with the twenty twenty one campaign, the football team is moving to the big south. That won't occur until two thousand twenty one arm. You will play as an independent. in twenty twenty. If we have a football season this fall, the colonials also announcing that. They're going to play non conference games against central. Michigan in twenty, twenty, one Miami of Ohio in Twenty Twenty Two air force in twenty, twenty, three and West Virginia, in twenty, twenty five, so they are up in the Anti in Moon Township and trying to get. A more visible and a more nationally competitive athletic program established. They've done that already in hockey They've been pretty good in basketball. based on the level. The colonials have played at nine Northeast Conference Tournament Championships and Fourteen Northeast Conference. Championship game appearances, but the rise in league. It's it's a better level of competition. It's a higher degree of visibility. Live that not only has been a multi bid league to the NC Double A. tournament on occasion, but it has placed a team in the final four, and in the NCW championship Game Butler achieved that in two thousand and ten, and again in two thousand and eleven butler Butler has since moved onto the pig east. The Horizon League is an affiliation Where opportunity can be found in the that opportunity was one of the things that. Really excited, colonials head basketball coach. Andy tool everybody's excited for the new opportunity to new challenge. You know there's a national reputation and brand when you hear horizon. League basketball, obviously, what Butler in two thousand ten and twenty eleven was was unprecedented. But a number of the other teams within the horizon, League have had a great tournament experience great success. Have had. You know towards the top or at the top of mid major basketball rankings, and so we're excited to be a part of that. We're excited to try and compete in. That were excited to see how far we can push our program in our players and see where we can max it out and I think this is the next opportunity for us to do that. obviously there was great disappointment. Disappointment at the end of our season with the way that it was cut short, unfortunately for myself and for for Charlie, but our players have handled it great. They're excited about this challenge I. Think for the guys that are returning. You know that that experience has helped. Motivate them some as we as we've gone into our off season here two to get ourselves back into those kind of positions and. Have the opportunity again to compete for a championship in. Being able to enter the horizon have the opportunity to compete in our first year. Is exactly what we'd like to do. That's going to be really interesting soon. They can take the cities It's that should help their recruiting and it also it should also help them. Keep the players they recruit. You hope it. Will you hope it will continue to allow guys understand the opportunity that they'll have at Robert? Morris University playing in the horizon. League with some of the media markets that Chris discussed obviously the relationship with ESPN and the ESPN family and networks at all the Horizon League Games are either streamed or or broadcast on. So you hope that they get the things that they're looking for out of their experience with this move as well and you know the transfer world is certainly an interesting one and one that I think everyone has. Had you know. Good stories with and horror stories with and. We hope that you know making this move to the horizon will allow us to continue to stabilize roster. But again. A lot of that goes back to the guys that we're bringing in. Hopefully. They're understanding that they can reach their goals from Robert. Morris University and and with the Horizon League and all the things that come with that so. We'll see how it plays out. It's less likely to transfer out of the horizon. When you're looking for bigger and better things as a player than it probably would be from the northeast conference, so up for 'em. You'll see what. kind of steps, the colonial can continue to take. Baseball's not going anywhere might be going backwards. Commissioner Rob, Manfred, doing an appearance on ESPN with Mike Greenberg yesterday. said that he is quote, not confident. That, there would be a two thousand twenty baseball season quote. As long as there's no dialogue, there's no dialogue right now. Because the players are disgusted with management's refusal to get off of a percentage of pro-rated salaries as a as a bargaining chip. The players think they are do. Their full prorated salary based on an agreement with the owners in March. The owners see it differently. Manfred had said last week during coverage of the major league baseball draft that unequivocally. We're going to play Major League baseball this year. Hundred percent was the likelihood now he's all of a sudden, not confident the players are Not surprisingly disgusted a code according to L. Executive Director Tony Clark. Quote this latest threat is just one more indication that major league. Baseball has been negotiating in bad faith since the beginning bill. You framed of pretty well last hour. We're just getting warmed up for the big. Negotiation after next season. Oh Yeah and you know what I'm excited for Manfred comment today that he's one hundred percent positive that there will be no baseball I want to see it. Go from from a all the way. Z. Greg Warren. Yesterday's at one of the funniest eggs. He said I know. I might be in the minority here, but I follow baseball mainly for the money disputes. It's just I mean what is this? What are we even? Watching, what are we talking about? None of no fans care about this. figure it out behind closed doors. Give us baseball or don't. We gotta move on Stop Teasing us? Yeah I saw that Gregoire tweet every tweeted it was. Like a lot of things we laugh because it's funny, but we left because it's true. It's to. Nobody wants to hear it man. Nobody wants to hear it. steelers have added a couple of minor investors that according. To Bloomberg News Josh Harris who owns the Philadelphia Seventy sixers and David Blitzer who owns the New Jersey, devils have joined the steelers family as no input. Excuse me silent investors that means they have no input in day to day. Operations David Tepper. Had to sell his almost five percent stake in the steelers back in two thousand eighteen when he bought the Carolina Panthers. Controversy at Oklahoma State. And apparently a meeting of the minds. A developing story yesterday head coach Mike Gundy appeared on twitter and a photograph on twitter from a fishing trip, wearing a O. A. N. T shirt that stands for one American news. One America News Is is a right wing cable. Channel heavily pro Donald Trump that really upset. WanNa Gundy's best players running back trouble Hubbard. Who Uh announced on twitter quote. Stand for this. This is completely insensitive. Everything going on in society, and it's unacceptable. I will not be doing anything with Oklahoma state until things change eventually. Two got together and made a video that was posted on Hubbard's twitter account in that video gundy apologize for being insensitive and Excuse me. He said he realized it's a very sensitive issue. we said he met with some players at Oklahoma state. We had a great meeting in. Made, aware of some things players feel like can make our organization our culture even better than it is your Oklahoma state I'm looking forward to making some changes at starts with me at the top. Hubbard for his part said that he should not have gone to twitter. He should have gone to Gundy directly and aired his concerns, but for now the cowboys are all playing nice. Down there at Oklahoma, state. I need real. Sports Back Bill. We all do Mike. We all do. I. Need Mike Gundy talking about how many yards Shovel Hubbard. Radford All things of that nature. Critiques on t shirts. I need him yelling at the media and telling us how old he is now I don't know the last time he was forty. How old is he now? While ago right. I'm forty eight. I'm a man. Fifty wooded area your. Cloud, thanks Mike and Billy gardell join us at the top of the hour, and we have a couple of things to talk with him about I. We're going to talk about the most overplayed songs. Yes, still can't get enough of. And June also also national candied month, so we'll talk about the top candy and each state coming up. It's the deep. It's the morning show. On thou porter with Bill Crawford. Mike Pursued A. Joe, Rickey our producer. ESPN has been errands. Some great documentaries to keep people entertained while they're in lockdown this summer long on summer, the most recent one that aired Sunday night about the home run battle between mark, mcgwire and Sammy Sosa. We actually had Sean Casey on yesterday to talk about it if you hear his story. About his encounter with Mark Maguire. Player you can find that on the podcast page either on the iheartradio APP or at dv Dot. COM But long-gone summer the latest. That has people talking. By the way highly recommend that Sean Casey interview. If you haven't heard it, please go here and I just want to remind everybody that interview with Sean. Casey without coffee hadn't had his morning coffee. The guy just when the lights come on, he just he knows how to play and and and You know I'm thinking about this this story and what you know thinking about long gun summer and the last time you know that I really really was fully enveloped in the magic of baseball, and there's three stories three guys that are that were either in the documentary or Or are involved in the story even tangentially of that summer the first guy is is tim for narrowness. Who is the twenty two year old groundskeeper? Okay? The kid is making forty bucks a day doing the grounds keeping for the Saint Louis Cardinals and he's the guy that ends up snagging mark. mcgwire's sixty second home. Run the the home run that broke Roger Maris's homerun record was. Maguire shortest home run of the year. If you remember back to ninety eight Mike, it was a screaming line drive that barely cleared the wall. And and so this kid jumps down immediately puts it in his pocket. No one in the world knows that he has it except him, and there's all this pandemonium going on then he goes out onto the field to try to collect some of the confetti. Will the kid just gives the ball back. He you know it's the right thing to do and everything, but that was like potentially a multimillion dollar baseball that he gave back now he probably got something some sort of memorabilia. Some signed autographs something from Maguire and he was. Flown down to Disneyworld he got to meet President Clinton. He was on the Letterman. He was on David Letterman but you know the kid had to be thinking at some point. Why Oh my God I could've sold that baseball instead I'm getting piggyback ride from Gaston and I'm about the president. That's going to be impeached. Buddy madness talking about that yesterday. And I think if I remember this correctly. He, said a guy. The full full tarps for a living gave a million dollar baseball to a millionaire for nothing. Yeah pretty sure that's. A yeah, that's the thing. That describes the scenario pretty pretty completely and the the next guy. Okay, so there's here's the here's the opposite of that spectrum Philo. Zaborsky catches mcgwire's seventieth home. Run Ball, Darrow Val Darren, revell re tweeted this out yesterday. Okay? This guy is making thirty thousand dollars a year as a researcher. At Washington University in Saint. Louis so he snags the ball now. Obviously the cardinals approach him, and they say listen. We want the ball back, and and we'll give you signed bat and ball and Jersey from Mark Maguire, and the guy goes all right well I. WanNa I. WanNa meet. Mark Maguire Mark. mcgwire's like I'm not into it. So Philo Zaborsky goes. All then go blow I'm not giving. Anything keeps the mall. And sells it for three million dollars I mean. It was two point six or something like that, but I mean that's how much those baseballs worth at that time because. You know the sports world. Especially, the memorabilia world was on fire. Watching that documentary bill I had forgotten. How these! Whatever number was sixty, sixty, one sixty to seventy, there were several numbers toward the end that became a big. And there would be cops came down into the stands immediately to escort. The got the ball out, so they wouldn't get everybody else. Get Away. Yeah, I! Forgot about that. I'm watching it like. Wow, did that. Really have that guy? It looks like the Russian a Ma out of a I don't know what it was crazy in the stands where those balls were landing. Oh? Yeah, because you just caught a million dollars. You're holding a million dollars in your hand around a bunch of people that would love probably to have a million dollars. And so the third guy is actually in the documentary and the documentary starts with him. He's this Guy Todd. McFarlane, okay, he's he's he bought. Home run balls from Mark Maguire, sixty, seven, sixty, eight, sixty, nine, and seventy, also, he bought Sammy Sosas, sixty first and sixty sixth home, run balls, and then he bought Berry bonzes number seventy three home run ball when he broke McGuire mcgwire's record a few years later for like six hundred thousand dollars, but he's the Guy who bought the baseball off of their Sqi for three million dollars what it ended up being in the talking about this guy. And and they just flashed on the bottom and says Comic Book Artist and Entrepreneur and I'm like hell. Is this guy then I? Go look them up I. Start Researching them. He is in the like early nineties. He started writing. He did the amazing Spiderman, and he did. He created I. Think the character Venom, and then his most famous characters probably spawn, but then he came out with his own toy company, and so this guy just has. An insane amount of money and he bought all these baseball's and I think they're all devalued now because all those guys were on steroids like the time to sell was. The time to be. One of those three guys was really to be Philo Zaleski he's. He's the guy that cashed in. Strike while the iron taught. Yeah and the pandemics cold. So. I don't know if guys had any experience with that. I mean I've talked about it. A bunch of times. I, you know I collected baseball cards for fun, but then. A neighborhood kid and I collect you know combined are card collections. And then he moved, and it was like super annoying, because I just lost all my baseball cards, and and then I haven't even more embarrassing story about how my grandmother was the She was the apartment super at an apartment building where Roberto Clemente lived, and he gave her a bunch of stuff, and she gave it to me when I was like ten and I ruined it. and. This day I'm still like Graham. It was. That, that could have been worth. Hundreds of thousands of dollars and you gave it to a ten year old. Drew on the baseball I drew on a base. BERTA Clemente's autograph on it. Do you still have a is now? Oh, yeah, because not only is it a Clementi baseball, but Bill Crawford has drawn on the ball. It's like insolvent. It's like adults there. There's no other like it. It's no. It is worth negative money now. It's worth absolutely no money. In Grandmothers Defense! Nobody thought this crap would ever be worth. The money came to be worth. Right. I mean it's just was conceivable that you know people would pay what they started paying. Fantastic. Oh I. Got commenced batting helmet like that would just be something to have if you love Clementi but. It's. But a lot of castle all of a sudden. Big Money in sports memorabilia. Billy gardell going to be joining us when we come back, and we'll talk about the most overplayed songs ever that you still just can't get enough of. That's on the way. It's a DVD. A huge. Like an auction, but you have to. Have to win the lottery first. You have to win the lottery to buy booze. Is that correct? So. Here's a conversation. We're going Swiss fell. Now let's get not lottery. We can win a ticket to buy that expensive booze and this quiet, and then your buddy goes. All. We drink for nineteen hours for twelve blocks. This is a classic burden. A hand versus. Wanted to. Thank. Randy Bowman and the V. E. Morning Show. It's the morning show. That was billy Gardell. This is Billy Gardell. Wonderful Girl how? Wonderful Girl! How are you and hello? Is. Going on, how are you guys man what Billy get? I'm doing okay. You know doing okay. Hold on. Real, yeah good to be good to hear you guys this morning. I forgot that bit. That was very funny about the Rocco's. Forgotten. Just sometimes, the fits bird comes out so natural. You forget what you did, and then you get the a highlight. Play we ran a good play there that was. A. Good at their. Well I'm some good stuff coming up here for you this hour GonNa be with US till ten o'clock this morning. Here's the channel eleven severe weather center of. It is sixty two degrees dam em, val porter, nine one one dispatcher who watched George Floyd's arrest as it happened three weeks ago in Minneapolis tried to get a police supervisor to respond to the scene that's according to a recording of a phone conversation between that dispatcher and supervisor on the call. The dispatcher said she didn't WanNa Snitch, but it looked like an officer at the scene sat on a man supervisor, said he check on it, but didn't immediately respond to the scene. Americans pride in the United. States is at an all time low. According to a new poll from Gallup sixty three percent of adults surveyed, said they were extremely or very proud to be Americans. That's the lowest rate given twenty years having dropped by seven points. Only twenty percent of voters said they were pleased with the direction of the country. The drop is attributed to the coronavirus, pandemic and civil unrest sparked by the death of George Floyd. Here is one story though with a good outcome this morning it's been a scary year for sixty nine year old. Fred shock of lower Berle as he battled corona virus for a staggering seventy five days, which he finally beat. Thanks to the. Yeah great story this morning he was at St. Margaret's in Aspen Wall. For Twenty one days. Fred was in a medically induced coma and hooked up to a respirator, but instead of taking a turn for the worst stronger and stronger, he was just released from the hospital yesterday, doctors and nurses him. He left his dog Brooke was there to give them a little Yes, on the says he left the hospital when asked about his ordeal and victory over covid in nineteen. Fred said that he's definitely on cloud nine, and yet just can't ask for more so post gazette highlighted. At Fred. John Body. My name was Fred and I beat the KHURANA virus. I would yeah, but DAB do right out of that hospital. Could as loud as. Good for you. Telling that story I would. Day, the, rest of my days. Every Single Day Donald Raucous. You know what happened to me, right? Seventy five days John van later for but yeah. 'cause I blew it up. That's right. I couldn't stop it. Fred. Good God's two and a half months crazy. Glad to hear you. Say That when you come back from that the ventilator. If you come back, you know that's that's a big deal. Because percentages are low on incubation, but if you come back from the said. Like that PC memories gone. Like you could be eighteen days. It can be seventy five days, but you remember like the short period of time before you get ventilated. Strange right scary yeah. Major. Air Carriers not messing around when it comes to face coverings, airlines for America announced its member carriers will be vigorously enforcing policies, requiring passengers and certain employees to cover their nose and mouth that includes suspending flying privileges for the airline in which passenger doesn't comply there will be safe preflight communications and onboard announcements about the policies. The airlines involved include Alaska. American Delta Hawaiian, jetblue southwest and united so I guess this will give people one. Just now they're catching up finally, yeah! Maybe it's not an idea to jam. People into a toothpaste tube with no masks. Way To go guys. Here's another idea. Take a bail out and fire summer. Your employees, good job out there in the airlines good job. You know they're going to start charging you for a mask if you don't bad by. By you beat new two seconds, you beat me to the buzzard I was like I was like an easy question on family feud, and you hit the buzzer second ahead of. A second ahead of men thirty five. Their master, but they have to be our masks with our insignia, and they don't really work. Would you like a cookie? This'll be the newest thing that people about rather than putting the seat back too far it's. Do People have a mask on? A. I'm just not leaving the house for the next two years. White House economic adviser. Larry cudlow says the likelihood of the economy. Shutting down again is not very high on Fox News. Kudlow said both president trump and vice president Mike. Pence don't WanNa do that. He added he believes closing the economy for a second time could be worse for our health. He said the economy must reopen, but do so safely. His remarks come as many states or seeing increases in corona virus cases as economies reopen eighteen states. According to CNN seeing a rise in cases since reopening. Well, here's all. Day I got a thought for you. And I'm sure I'll catch some lovely twitter. Love for this, but you know when you wear masks. All you're saying is I. Don't want you to get sick and if I were a mass. That's me saying I don't want you to get sick. Its just about respect nothing else whatever your inner dialogue is, it's wrong. It's wrong. You wear a mask. And if everybody were mass, the virus can't go nowhere. I, 'cause I think I'm I'm I'm turning into an old man because i. don't care where pants are care. We're asking stop sagging. Wonderful and you know what I am in full old guy to swear to God. I am Vic- somebody coming at me with no mask. I just yell sex fake sex pain. Cornel Waller. Trying out a store that changes be careful. The retail giant switching to self checkout only at one superstar and Fed Ville Arkansas. The company says it WanNa see wants to see if it'll speed things up while limiting human interaction because of the Kobe nineteen. While works about halfway done to repair that downtown sinkhole that swallowed part of a port authority bus last year Pittsburgh. Water and sewer crews think that work is going to be done in the middle of July on that Sinkhole, which opened in October of last year on ten street near the Convention Center. The delay in finishing the work is because they had to wait for a part. Of. What part what I don't know for? Sure that you need. We need to talk will switch. We can't close this whole up. What does that? Gas Horrid. You. Need he needs cement yeah. GotTa get apart. I made in nine, one, seven, seven, three, and I got an eight four two, and I told you that ain't gonNA fit. Last year when that sinkhole opened up, they said. It would be five to six weeks or something like that to be fixed I was like come on. Just move here. Some of US have grown. Couple years. What how did? It before, but how did they patch it before like how? I. They didn't build a fenced at all. It's just all fenced off. So as a whole gets bigger Yata, move fancy and now the two feet. That's like that's like something Boston. Your Yard and your dad makes you keep moving garbage cans over. The yard move. A little wider I saw some problem. Well scientists at the University of Nottingham estimate there could be more than thirty civilizations of intelligent life in the Milky Way Galaxy, those civilization. Prime now. When I read this story I immediately, just pictured guardians of the galaxy. Out there. We August. Those civilizations! Sonatrach is what we need. Yeah. seventeen thousand light years away from us. They are making them practically impossible to communicate with using current technology. Their estimate is based on the assumption that life forms in the same way, and in the same timeframe as it does on earth. The study was published in the peer reviewed astrophysical. Journal. They can. Probably do they're not interesting? They're not answering now. They're not cut. They're not coming by listening like Chalky. Listen to what they're doing now now they hate each other. They don't talk to each other. Treat each and they said if we come. They're gonNA dissect US I. saw this movie. We're not going. We're not gonNA. act. Thorn Motor Company said to debut. It's all new Ford Bronco on a date that may raise some eyebrows. The updated model of the SUV will be reduced the light nights. What this is a rare is this is this tummy? got this off a Breitbart or something? This isn't real, is nope? They're making it. They're gonNA releases. While wonderful. We're done. You know what we're done. How? Can I know you guys. Don't you're not looking for? Fuel efficient thing that doesn't okay understand you want to. Do you know what happened to have, do you? Did you happen to see the OJ Simpson murder? We have that truck. What what from what? What are you so? We all know the story of the White Bronco Jay and his buddy. AL cowlings led a televised police chase along southern California highways in nineteen, Ninety four after Simpson was charged with the murders of his ex-wife, Nicole and friend Ron Goldman, that pursuit was watched by ninety five million people. I Google, that one hundred and two million people watch the super bowl this year. That's how many people watch that. was crazy incredible. Why Ford Motor Company official confirmed the plan to the Detroit Free Press. Adding Simpson's birthdate is purely coincidental. Vow One of the crazy things about that chase was that it went on so long that there were eventually people on the overpasses that were cheering, and it ended with him, driving into his own driveway, and being able to go into his house. Yeah ridiculous! Like what sense did that make? It wasn't a high speed chase I. mean let's be honest. It was about forty miles an hour. You're not. Like you you, you could get two cars at you. Get the cars at the Grand Prix at Kennywood moving faster than that. I mean I remember how big that was! It just was shocking to me that ninety five million people watch that Oh my God. Yes, that's ridiculous. But. Well bleeds least. Yeah June is National Candy Month and Candy Store Dot Com just shared the most popular candy in every state on sales church, shallow braided, just celebrated that last month. That's this part of the. The results might be surprising because reese's peanut butter cups did so poorly and they haven't in the past. Number, do you ever do you ever list I love? These develop journalists our. Are we going into a candy list? We're going into a candy list. Bill a little bit. On. Let me get let me get. It okay. I'm ready. EMINEM. They were number one in thirteen states. Came in second. Ten states. Hold on, how do you? How do you feel about skittle? Vow Not not a fan. I'm not that ain't. That's not an billy. Really. You hit them hard. Yeah, yes, I think it might be A. Maybe, my age group younger is down with the skittles. skittles are are pretty good, but let's go wait. Can we reverse it for one second and just go back to number one M.? Are. Easily I can make the argument for number one because they're so versatile. You got playing. You got paying I mean. If you've been to the EMINEM store, there's a million flavors of EMINEM's now now. Yeah, to destroyed eminem Zo! That's that's that's. They've been leading a division for a long time. You know what I mean. They've been leading the division for a long time. Time they run a good organization. You know they're good. They're they're cold. They're good. You can dump a bag of them in your popcorn and get a little schmaltzy thing going on Oh i. don't know anybody who's ever grabbed three like i. like him I like the like around the holidays I like to get that to pound football bag and just fill jar would. Come by and grab a handful while a Games on and take the train Reykdal. Insulin pound I am. Shot. Tim Outstanding Organization the skittle. My my son loves the skittle, and so does patty by I can't work the skill I. Think. I'm too old and I'm. As, my father would say you pay too much for those new teeth spell. You can't be scandal. Billy how many stops on the way to insulin. There's usually about three. Mike, and then I start vibrating, and my vision goes blurry and right before I quantum leap back in time I. Slow down. The express train bill if you really want to do. Is No stops. Shit! Like a little sugar ball. Real. Reese's peanut butter cups ranked third They were only number one in seven states. Here's another one. You probably don't like bill sour patch kids. They're number one in four states. Move now, that's that that should be struck from the record and all of their games should be reviewed for cheating sour patch kids. The bad organization. In a long time ago. My Grandma, my Nan in Pittsburgh whenever you got like A. Get Like A. What do they call us? Little white bubbles at hurt on the inside of your mop like. Let's say herpes. Now you know. Yeah, you get like a little out. All Sir well. My grandmother had this stuff that they must have invented in World War One. I don't even know if anybody's of it's called. Alum, Alli M. You remember that I. Remember I remember my dad saying it. Yeah, okay, so it was this powder, and it was literally like you. You put some on your finger. And then you put that in there on the altar, and it would suck your face up like a bugs bunny cartoon like you're. You couldn't even open your mouth. That would just dry your mouth and suck your face in. That's how I feel about a sour patch kit. So if you have all Shire's each patch kids sharp pat it is. It is the Bath Salts of candy an? End Up at the bottom of Bagasse our beds kids. Race off. Find the down by them on, and you're just non on your own knee. What happened? Schneider was never came in. Number one in four states, jolly ranchers, three states I do. Don't don't don't don't blow through this just as very exciting snickers is off limits for me, because and so received because my stunned. When has a deadly allergy to peanuts? These kids it just adds. But you know the fan of the snickers bar the All time fan I've ever seen. Is Joey O'CONNELL from Penn Hills he's been, he's been running the snickers program for years for years and usually, and he hasn't mess around and buy like the ball, or you know the bar that turns people from jopacks. She backed themselves he gets. He by yeah, he buys like that. That Monster Si-. It looks like a yul log like he buys. A. Giant pack. And just crossed at five. AM At the airport and I'll just here, but. A lot of push necker. Love. It is amazing. Leave my favorite. Still on I was an adult. Yeah, that's that's a later in life. Thing it's. It's like when you start drinking wine. You like I'd like this. One of the funniest things up. My mom ever said in public was she goes? We're at the mall and she goes. I gotta get something. The I'm so hungry I could suck the nuts out of a snickers bar and. This Day. To this day like I can't back to Nordstrom with her. Just woke up at his house which. I would think you'd have a hard time with vickers after that with do bill. For. That you know that just say. Like when they tell Newman that, they're scouts in the audience and Slapshot Scout. starburst. Biggest seller in two states. That's another one of those big. Fan. I I can rock a starbucks, but here's my thing I like the original starburst I can't get into. The tropical flavored starburst doesn't work for me, but I will tell you a star and you gotta you gotTa. Go starburst room temperature, so the rapper comes off easy, and it's a little softer chew. Tobacco if you leave a starburst too long, it becomes an hour later and that's another reason. I used to love now and laters. Got To be patient. Later, that's what they did. They had a warehouse. It went bad and they should re wrap them. Later? So. Do you okay so you eat starburst at room temperature? I always put my chocolate candy in the fridge. I'm so with you vow. You know what else I like in the fridge. I'll tell you what I love in the fridge is a Hershey's kiss. Because like here's a day. If you eat her. She's kissed the size for frigerator. Chocolate ratio is perfection. Like at Easter because I'm what you I like the milk chocolate. Fridge, but it Easter like if you put a bunny in the fridge. You're on that like you just came out of the desert. You can't. There's no getting through like. Yeah Yeah Yeah you gotTA. You gotTa have. Been Shards everywhere. You're losing. Don't get sucked into the big money unless you work a hollow bunny if you work hall. Bunny can smash on pretty good easy area. All Right? We're running out of time to let me get through the rest of this list. twix number one in two states kit Kat also in two states Swedish fish. Kentucky is the only state that loves Swedish Fish Joe Ridiculous as it. I got I gotTA. Tell you I love Swedish fish. One year I had the flu out here and and. Joe Got us a care package from Pittsburgh. They sent us a bunch of stuff. We have any money and no food. I ate a box of Swedish fish i. mean a box like a cereal box is when I was shocked. I'm pretty sure cured me. Milky Way and Hershey's bar only got one st as number one in. Pennsylvania Yeah Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania Oh, reese's peanut butter cups. California jolly rancher. Number one job she can't do that. That's that's another well-padded thing. They like the shower, too. Sour I can't do shower. I like the the Green. Apple Jolly rancher is my. That's a tough one. My teeth can't is art. You gotTA. You gotTA drink. You gotTA drink the rest of your food out of a crazy straw the rest of the day if you. Read. The only reason we use jolly ranchers back in the day was putting our Zima that the girls made us get, so we can make them. The girls made. Forecast! Clouds and Sun. Temperatures around eighty for the high word sixty to a dv Mike Scott sports coming up next billy gardell with us the rest of the hour. It's the morning. Sports. For DV sports a big day yesterday at Robert Morris, colonials announcing among other things that they're men's and women's basketball programs will be joining the Horizon League for the anticipated upcoming twenty twenty one season, but universities president. Dr Chris Howard acknowledged at the outset of yesterday's press conference that there are much more significant is that must be addressed. I WanNa take a moment though to acknowledge. What a difficult you weeks! This has been in the life of our nation. The death of George Floyd has forced our nation, and all of our institutions to confront some unpleasant realities and truce, as we move forward in our day to day lives and I'm here to tell you as a former student athlete in person and believes in the role athletics athletics has in the past. Can should will make a difference in dealing with issues of race in this country. We don't always get it right in sport, but we have an opportunity and we've gotten it. Extraordinary right in years past. Chris Howard is in. A. Very prominent position in terms of. Using the platform of sports to help solve America's problems. He's got the resume to figure things out. In case you're unfamiliar with Who Dr Chris Howard is and what he's done. The colonial athletic director Chris King gave a brief synopsis of Dr Howard's resume. He's a guy distinguished graduate of the United. States Air Force Academy. He's a Rhode Scholar. He's got a doctorate in politics of the University of Oxford. He's got NBA with distinction from Harvard Business. School Got Bronze Star for service in Afghanistan. That's just the academic portion. The athletics portion is just a significant and impressive. He's a member of the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics. He's a recent member of the College Football Playoff Selection Committee. He's a four member of the NCAA Honors Committee. He was an academic. All American, as a running back at air force was a winner of the Campbell trophy as the nation's top football scholar athlete. He's also member of the Kasitah academic. All American Hall of fame and he's a winner of the NCAA Silver Anniversary Award. Take all that. Take all that into account Air Force Academy Grad Bronze Star. Degrees from Harvard, and Oxford a Rhodes scholar, a university president Dr Chris our also an African, American and ad that. I had a chance to talk. After the press conference concluded yesterday and ask him if he had achieved all, he had achieved because of who he is, or in spite of who he is. And I think you're next. Question Fifteen, two, thousand, twenty, winning, going to have an asked it. Yeah, I think that. As an African American man it has been uniquely challenging for me. And for black men across America. I've always said that my races has been either. A multiplier or divider? Hasn't been a subtract or adder and when I mean that. When things go poorly, I've heard of course. Of course I. I knew that is what happens the guys like that? when things go well, it's like Oh. Wow, all that happens to be black. Wow! My Mom told me when I was a kid. Caroline Howard that you're GonNa have to work harder. You're going to be more diligent. You're going to have to be. More aware because the margin of error is lower than your white counterparts. And what I was raised with and I tried my best to it. I'm not saying it's fair, but that's the way I grew up. And that's the mantra. My mom gave me and I live with the today. Having said that. This is a wonderful nation. Opportunities do about, but we got some issues we got to address and I can tell you some stories, but I'm not gonNA. Tell you now. Because not unique to me. Coach. Could tell you some stories as well. Every black man black woman could tell you stories. And so, What's interesting now? Going forward is a seminal moment. Our nation's history to you know you mentioned rock Obama to. He likes to quote Lincoln and say are union not yet perfected, and we can do things that make it better. That's a pretty powerful stuff and getting out into the open what we have to address. As a nation the first step is recognition and discussion, and it's relying on guys. Like Dr Chris. Howard following their lead in finding solutions. I try to lead effective as a African American leading universities, predominantly white and kind of that do this that are afforded this opportunity for lots of reasons, so I try to be affected president first and foremost in our mission our goals. Set Down by the board as we with the board. One number two the number. One singular thing we can do for black Americans is attract as many as possible. And role as many as possible graduate as many as possible and support those individuals, and we've done a good job. We had an. Task Force on retention and graduation rates. We weren't super habit number of ago and we're moving in the right direction and We're putting together a task. Force is a proud to tell you putting together task. Force a faculty and staff. Members. The athletic program will be involved to make an announcement by the end the week on some concrete steps. You WanNa take. Yours. You're not going to address something four days for months or four years. It took four hundred years to create. So, we are awful. We are. humbled. But we're ready and We've done some really good work. Free dating my time here and. It's uniquely important to me. As an African American have full confidence in the leadership team. The faculty staff and our alumni to to improve the bottom African Americans in this country. Hopefully, everybody else's as committed to doing their part I. Don't know about you guys. I'm a little more hopeful hearing. Words such as those from Dr Howard that that was enlightening. It absolutely definitely well said well shit. Thanks Mike Billy Gardell Dole. Is here with us? Live from Los Angeles and when we come back, we're going to talk about the twenty five most overplayed songs. You still just can't get enough of. That's coming up. It's the morning show. The morning shown porter with Bill Crawford picky producer rantings on vacation Billy Gardell live from Los Angeles have spa good to be your man. So Ultimate Guitar Dot Com just put together a list of the twenty five most overplayed songs that you can't get enough of some of these grey with some, but some I would love to never here again. This is based on. By their readers on number one on the list, which I hardly ever hear this song master of puppets from Metallica. Into Metallica I gotta be in a metallic mood. When you're in that mood, boy, that's. That's a hard not turn up speed. That's we're not determine up and speed a little. Number two on the list ace of spades by motorhead. How can do without that? You can do without that one. ditoto worship. That's one of those ones you could turn down when you drive in with somebody, go you know. Why do you say we're really here? Remain that. The Toto version of Africa. WHO Just redid it. We don't. Need to remake that I think we can go with that one to. This one, it's not that I never wanna hear it again, but it's not one that i. i WanNa hear again. Rick Ashley Never GonNa give you up. I, I never I could go to rest of my summers on this planet. Never hear that song again. This next one is one that I I wouldn't care if I ever heard it again. Don't fear the reaper. Yeah. I never liked that Persian. I knew you'd like that crap, Band I. I. See I see you in the backyard with too many beers in adept in listening to that. That's no good. That's not good. Nah. No, that's about a bit bluish to call guy, but like that with Na. You gotta rap. Add Up. So remember this is the most overplayed songs you can't get enough of stairway to heaven. For reach my fill with that yet some sometimes. When that song kicks in, it's pretty strong. Pretty streit's and it's timeless. Yeah it. Is that one that one I think? They got to keep it in the rotation it, don't we? Kinda, stop you know. Oh Yeah. Don't we do like music? Testing on the in every year comes back to same thing number one song stairway to heaven people were. was released in Nineteen, seventy one and like. I said it's timeless. It never sounds old. It is. I think. Tom! I just say stairway have that's a great combination of poetry and music, and and different and three different speeds music in one song. I that's a. that's a masterpiece. Year I'M GONNA. Put that that one gets to green jacket. That's that's one of the masters. It's like the God ever long budget. You Punch. In the godfathers on you stop punching if you're just snob exactly. On. Dan! The offspring the kids aren't alright. Iron. R. Well, hold on the. Foo fighters been around long enough to be something that we listen to too much I don't think they've been around long. I'm not sure to qualify. The. Readers voted Queens of the Stone Age. No one knows. I'm not tired of that yeah. I don't know if you are so I mean it hasn't burned out yet. Oh, it has joe. Joe. Adam worn. Estan yet, that is not eroded US shit. K The next. Two songs are two more songs that I could hear forever paranoid by Sabbath and Hotel California. I'll go with Paranoid California, the rock stations out here. That's that's on a loop show. I could. I gotTa Lebowski that Hotel California. Man Come on. vk. Cab Ab. Hotel California every day, thank. You really vow you like. I do I. I'll tell you a great underrated. Eagle Song is the border and it's very pointing and. That's a that's a great jam. That's great, but Hotel California I just. I might have to. That's like when you're at a concert, and you go I'm GonNa. Go Pee! I'll be back. Boston more than a feeling. Rush Spirit of radio. I Love Radio. I love that. I gotta go with posted. US. So these are some. Replayed, but we still love him right. This list, so I gotta go with both their tremendous. Holy Wars by megadeath. Rainbow in the dark by do. Another one. Another brick in the wall. Yeah that's that's one that I can't. That's an I with Mike on that. That's one of those ones. If you change channels and you hit that it doesn't matter what part doesn't matter what. You gotTa jump into you could. You could tell where I'm coming from a mostly now by my grunts. We. My. Buddy the. People that have believe the earth is flat. So why not go back to Kelly? Communication I'm with you, get you. On. My. Cars. Don't stop believing fleetwood Mac. Yes, journey off to one of the most Oh. Joe The journey. What am I thinking of? Don't stop thinking about tomorrow. Thing about the different things, so you know yeah. Stop believe now. You gotta be in a bar. You don't really WANNA. Be At at one am to enjoy journey for me. I've really like listening to don't stop believing then shut off the radio right in the middle of it. That's from your favorites. Franco's reference. Carry on way we're son. Kansas. Hard we're not to turn up and I love that so. Bulls on parade by rage against the machine. Ashley. Although I don't hear it a lot. I was going to say that's not one that I hear a whole lot. That's exactly what I say that rotation lot. The beetles come together. Killer number thought I'd wait. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm done with. Come together that that one's been just beat to death. I know. Isn't that funny? Bill that choice of words come together as been beat the down. Where we're Andre. Paris apart. Painkiller by Jews braced rock. You like a hurricane by the Scorpions. My whole life and never hear rocky like a hurricane again I could go. Yeah. That's right up. You could delete that one along with come on, feel the noise. One could go away to. Under the bridge by the Chili Peppers, I could do without ever here and that again and. Never even right. Isn't that Song About Heroin Addiction. Once about recovery. It's about living through that. And number, twenty five on the list. You shook me all night long. I could hear that at six. Am I could hear that at eight PM. I could hear that four o'clock in the afternoon. ACDC substandard. Drunk so. Hey, can you? Can you do me a favor because my big Jim? Says one of his songs he hates is. The played is Jeremy by Pearl. Jam Can. Can we go out on that just to torture him a little bit? That'd be nice. Billy Guard. Like the ruined his morning at work. Film hours reasonably. Love you thanks for getting up early to join us this morning and We'll talk to you next week. It's my pleasure. Thanks for all you guys did on par to report the news and be entertaining right now. You're doing a great job and I love you guys and anybody out there listening I love you to place. Take care of each other behind each other. I'll sheen's next, Tuesday. Love you is? Michelle Mike up next. She's got the electric lunch at noon here on DVD Jam all day Jeremy. On Joe, did it. Open Virgin. We know there's. No Yeah. Turn it up Jimmy. Raw. You stay classy Pittsburgh. Don't touch your face. 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Long Gone Summer (McGwire & Sosa's 1998 Home Run Chase)

Jalen and Jacoby

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Long Gone Summer (McGwire & Sosa's 1998 Home Run Chase)

"Joanie Kobe the show is presented by a DT real protection. Jalen and Jacoby. Welcome, to Jalen and Jacoby the show we are joined by the director of long gone. Summer AJ SCHMUCK AJ. Congratulations loved watching that film. What does it feel like to have the film finally be seen by the world. I mean. It's crazy. It's a been a long journey to get to this point, and it feels like a total miracle to have finished. With the pandemic and working separately with all my team so finally being able to get the film done and get. It's ESPN. Feels like a huge accomplishment? Why did you decide to start the dock with the actual baseball's that Mark mcgwire hit? Well is in part because we when we met todd. McFarlane the great comic. Book, Artist Entrepreneur who who bought all the balls or a bunch of balls including at number seventy? I just love the way he talked about the home run, and how it is something that really connects baseball fans to the game in a way that you don't get in any other sports. So as soon as we walked out of of interviewing him, I I turned to my producer and said you know that's the beginning of the film. Is Him talking about what the home run in baseball means and how it connects fans, drinks have direct contact between Maguire's bat, and and the person who catches it. So that was that was great also has sort of the other. Bonus. Positive thing of reminding you that someone paid more than three million dollars. Baseball that's how big this was That's how much this took over the country that someone would would go to that extent. To own that ball. Having when watching that scene in Rhode. Explained how Michael Jordan hits. A shot wins the championship. They bring him the basketball. And if if a quarterback breaks a record with the past, bring him the football, but with the home run. You literally hit into the stands, and you never see it again and it was sort of a way that the fan can take home a piece of the game in baseball. They can't other any other way that. That happens with the home run, but then you did you hear him sort of articulate this, and then the question is asked how much you pay for it. It was just so much money that I wanted to know. How does this? How much are they paying people that bitter comic book illustrators, nowadays like what is the going rate for commentator Peter? How can this man afford this multimillion dollar baseball? Spun was very successful, but yeah I think he spent basically every penny he owned and you know. I I think in part. He did it because he he wanted to get into the business of making action figures for for sports. And and that happens I mean he basically that was his way of getting everyone's attention in saying hey I'm serious. I Care About Sports Let me make action figures, and and he did I think it was not only something that he wanted to do one thing that didn't make the film which I I tried to find a way to put it in, but he talked about how. His brothers are all baseball fans, one of the key excitement for him in getting the balls with just to be able to say I've got the baseball. As like well. You got three million dollars for that God. Bless Ya. I know that's right. The kid sweet swinging lefty King Griffey Junior. One of my favorite players growing up as Wa carry a bet to this day. was more of a factor. With Sosa mcgwire that people actually a realize. Can you acknowledge how his performance affected them? Certainly I mean one of the crazy things I think about that season was that people really went into it from spring training, thinking that either Maguire or junior were gonNA. Make this record. Both of them at hit and high fifties the year before this was an expansion year. Everyone just thought like this is GonNa? Happen went into the season thinking that Griffey was was in it. You know right. I think if you even remember the Griffey was in it. You forget that he was in it until late August when he had kind of a long slump I. think he only hit one one home run and like twenty games and may still hits. Hyphen. which is a tremendous season that gets overlooked by what happened with mcgwire and Sosa, but certainly yeah, I mean congruency. Junior had an amazing year that year and. It was in a in addition to to all the stuff we remember of Sosa and mcgwire he was. He was hitting the ball longer. In Maguire was sort of famously one of the bash brothers, and he had a great career while he was in Oakland with the ethics and Sammy Sosa wasn't as celebrated as a baseball player, and he said something in the film that really hit accord me, said quote ahead had to continue hitting. Because if not, they're not going to mention me. Why did you include that emphasized that and what? That means you from, Sami. I, mean I thought it was great it. Sammy acknowledged that he wanted the respect. He thought he deserved, and he does that a few times I think in the film and you know I mean. That's sort of a lighthearted way of like saying like. I turned on sports center at night and if I don't hit a home run like they're not gonNA mentioned. He wanted to be mentioned, he wanted to be acknowledged and I think that one of the things. I hope that the film does Sami. Wasn't that well known outside of Chicago before ninety eight, but. That's in part because the comes weren't very good, but the Sammy was was a great player for the cubs, a thirty thirty guy I thirty thirty guy ever in cubs history. He was a top home run hitter in the National League for years. I was one year where he was on track to get close to the record. But was injured in in August, so you know was a goal to sort of illuminate the fact that Sami wasn't just somebody who like. Jumped out of nowhere in June of Nineteen Ninety eight that he meant something in Chicago before that. Implant in Chicago. The weather can be a factor. Do you believe it play as much of a factor as Sammy Sosa states? I mean all I can tell you that. We were there in May of last year to shoot the same Lewis shot goes series in their. Earliest May and it's snowed one morning. And I was just like. I grew up in southern Illinois outside the St Louis and I love Chicago, Chicago is great, but I was just like hell though. Away being at the game, it was cold. It was rainy and it was just like damn out. This is football. Weather's that I. Don't know, but yeah. No I definitely know he. He I. Believe in when he says he's. He was a hitter that did better when it got warm. Not that good of a hitter in the cold. Certainly see see that that would be the case. Which I think is also in the film. You'll see you know one of the things that makes a Kerry Wood's twenty strikeout game. All the more impressive is that he's. He's doing it on one of those days, and the rain is coming down east going through like You know thirteen fourteen fifteen strikeouts that day, so? Yeah. It's whether in in in regularly. I think is probably no joke. With all of what's happening in our society in the world, not just in our country today we kind of have to look at things in stories in history, and currently through the filter of race. And how do you think race played a role in this particular story of mcgwire and Sosa and that summer? I think that people wanted to feel good about the fact that they liked this battle between these two guys who were from different cultures different countries. And different races I think that that probably made people want pat themselves on the back for feelings so good about it I think in part. They're still memories of what had happened to Hank Aaron and sort of the ugliness when he was. Setting the all time home run record. So people felt like. Wow, look at how far we've come to celebrate and get excited about the fact that this could be. A champion of homerun record that was held by either of these two guys. There's a somewhat famous. Cartoon. Where the two of them are depicted with their bats wall has been broken in the wall, says racist. You know like that. The two of them had finally solved this problem. They beaten it. And I think. It's just A. It's one of those times when. People have wanted to. Congratulate themselves for reaching a certain. Threshold and clearly all of those congratulations were were way premature. And we're still. We're still fighting for IT I. Hope that the people. Look at this, though as a story of these two champions, and can get some excitement out of the fact that they did come from different backgrounds, and they have very different stores, and as you mentioned the racial dynamic of these celebrated athletes who have a historic seasons who just happened to be from different races and backgrounds. As the story progressed, it seemed like Maguire was forgiven by baseball and giving another job and celebrate it a lot more than Sammy Sosa that you guys discussed this. Yeah I think stamina really wants to go back to Chicago, so he doesn't want to speculate too much on the reasons why? He's not been invited back. I don't know what's going on with cubs. Ownership I can only say that it's it's A. It's a situation unlike any else in baseball. I can't think of another team that has a a legacy. all-century player superstar, who made millions and millions of dollars was the franchise player for years. Not Welcome back and. Bonds is welcome in the in San Francisco Marcus more than welcome in, both he's in the hall of fame in Saint, Louis and in Oakland put a statue of Pete rose outside a reds stadium. I don't get it. And I think you know hopefully if the film may be can push a little bit towards the resolution of that Sami deserves to be recognized for all the great things he did in his career. Now look everybody's nobody's perfect and they're probably moments. He wishes he had back I know he wishes he had back the last day of the the two thousand four season but you know he. He did a lot for that franchise and that organization and I'll look forward to the day that he's back in Wrigley Field. Now you mentioned that Sami won't speculate about it. And you said you don't know what's up with cubs ownership, but in your opinion, you've obviously researched this topic a lot more than other people have. Why do you think there is this gap? And before he was the question at once one acknowledges like the last dance in Lance and be water, and now this one of the great. Great things it does. It takes these moments that you have members of his sort of fills the gaps and one thing about the legacy of this summer in these two athletes is I forgot that Sammy Sosa was still not acknowledged, inhabit working relationship with the cubs franchise so now I want you to answer. Why do you think the cubs have not welcome back Sammy? Sosa trig revealed. Sometimes, I think you get into a position where you you take position, and you don't really see what the end result of that position is going to be, and then you just stick your ground, and the reasons why you're sticking your ground or unclear. I think that they got into a decision, maybe particularly after Maguire talked about his steroid use before coming back to the cardinals that this was somehow a requirement. That so said talk about steroids. which I want to be absolutely clear as we do in the film, there is no evidence that Sammy Sosa used steroids. There's no smoking gun. There was a survey anonymous survey test in baseball where a lot of players were supposedly tested positive. Those seen by the New York Times reported on. Aside, from that we have. No secondhand stories there's no testimony from other players. Nobody has said that they know that Sami did this and he has always said that he did so. It's a very unusual situation for. The ownership which were not the owners at the time Sammy did. Would never played for the current cubs ownership. It's unusual I. Think for them to take this position I think they. Maybe you know if you look at it generously that they took the position after. Lark did what he did. Come back to the cardinals. Maybe they thought that's what Sam needs to do. I think. We're well past the time now for them to be just kind of digging their heels in. You know. This. There's no magic words for Sammy to say. It's time for him to come back. You wanted to make sure that you capture the Roger Marris moment, because obviously his accomplishments and baseball and people flirting, and then ultimately breaking his records were obviously carried with controversy, so acknowledge what it was like shooting the Roger Mirrors moment. That was the big moment for me I, mean. A lot of how I feel about baseball is my relationship with my dad, you know. He taught me how to keep score the it's getting the station wagon. Let's drive around the cornfields southern. Illinois listening to Jack, Buck and Mike Shannon on the radio got into that moment. You some mark lifting ADEP. Having his son there all the time you A. He had both Jack Buck Joe Buck on the on the radio together, he had chipped. Kerry grandson a Perry taking over that legacy. And then you had A. This family. who had a father who? Wasn't celebrated the way he should have been in his time to the extent that as Roger Marris. Junior says in the film. He kind of wishes he hadn't done it. And so that to me watching it in one thousand, nine hundred that all those things about fathers and sons that was huge to me I. Mean You know I lost my dad when I was in high school to watch that season? By brought back my memories of watching baseball with him, and it was hugely emotional. And that was a big reason why I wanted to make the film so including the mayor's moments were probably some of the most heartfelt for me emotional for me because of. Making sure that those familial connections and what they mean, baseball generations passing down their knowledge in love at the game to the next generation I've taught my daughter how to keep score. You know that's that's. That's a big part of of why. Baseball remains a part of the fabric of America. I think you just articulated why that moment was emotional to me because it's sort of like the victor I mean a lot of people have relationships with their parents, not just sons and fathers, but sons and Fathers and daughters and daughters and mothers and sons and mothers, a lot of people have a relationship with their parents through the game of baseball as I remember watching baseball with my dad growing up as well, you did really good job capturing that through that sort of moment and. That will always be remembered, but I think that people fans sports fans will always remember this summer and this home run race through the filter of Oh. They were using PD's the whole time I think. The legacy of this summer and this home run race is oh yeah, but doesn't asterix on that because they were all on PD's everyone was on PD's in baseball at that time. That is a fair assessment or fair to legacy of this home. Run Race. I, not quite a you know, I think look we have to understand. The different areas of baseball had different things that have made them less than perfect. And if you WANNA talk about a notation or an asterisk to a variety of achievements and records. You can go back to the fact that there was an all white league. They didn't travel as far as they would later on. They didn't have as many games They're taking greenies and amphetamines dugout. I mean you can go through a lot of stuff one of the things we tried to do in the film. Was To just make sure that people don't put. What they know about people's reaction to steroids now. Into that frame of the nineties. There was no official rule. There was no penalty. There was no testing. People were taking supplements openly things that some things which were not a legal and other sports, some things which were. which are? Questionable because no one knew their efficacy was. That was where we were. We were in an interesting time when I sort of Jim, culture took over. A baseball I. I grew up with the eighties. Cardinals. You look at those teams. They're so skinny. You can't believe that they can run around the base. So you know I think it was a time period and. I think to put today's understanding of what was going on and just say like everybody knew that it was bad and everyone knew that it was wrong and it was prohibited. It wasn't I. Mean People didn't know I didn't know that there was this memo? There was a memo like that was the official thing? Is Someone wrote a memo? And that was it so I think people have to understand it. Look you know I think that in sports hot takes a First Amendment right, you know certainly people can still say like you know I don't like that team or I don't like that guy or he's not my guy. And so therefore like he's Cheater, and whatever, but I think I think. I think people need to look at at what was really happening at the time. And do understand that this was also like this was an expansion year. Stadiums were starting to get reconfigured to be more favorable hitters. There's some a evidence that maybe the ball was wound a little bit tighter than like it is I think now so. There's a lot of reasons why. The home runs might've been jumping up a bit in the nineties, and I think to to attributed all to steroids is if you really look at it scientifically? Probably, not not the case. You feel like at this point after digesting. What took place that these gentlemen are happy at this point or their lives, or are there more accolades and achievements? Do they feel like they deserve the have taken place. Sammy's happy in the business a that. He's built for himself. He's happy in his family. He he and his wife. Started another round of kids. Recently any grandchild You know, obviously, he wants to go back to Chicago. I mean he wants to be recognized for his achievements. He wants to be respected. I think he feels that. The ongoing questions are a lack of respect. And he feels he's answered them, and it's time for for him to to get to go to Chicago which he loved which he feels. You know made him who he is as a man as a player. Mark was able to go back to baseball. He had an almost ten year career as a coach. By all accounts, talking to players who played for him as a coach that he was an excellent coach. He was the guy who is not showy was very difficult for us to even find photos of him. As a coach. He just wanted to be around the game and he left the game. He retired from the Padres as their bench coach to go and be with his kids. His sons are in high school in playing baseball so I think he makes his decisions as he wants to make them, and he's he's at peace, peace with that, and but I know a great deal to him both to be welcomed back to the cardinals to be in their hall of fame, and also to the as to be in their hall of fame, and to be appreciated by both of those clubs and their fan bases. I always say in life that we. We. Don't celebrate enough and I think that you deserve to celebrate. You made an amazing film. Thirty for thirty aired on ESPN. The world loved it. You can see it's trending on twitter and you did it. You know they never take that away from you. There will be no asterix on this film. You directed an excellent thirty for thirty congratulations celebrate a little bit tonight before you start worrying about the next projects and everything else will do thank you so much for sure. When it matters most trust adt now more than ever. You need peace of mind with twenty four seven rapid response monitoring from the leader in home security be an everyday hero by staying safe at home while Adt protect you and your loved ones. Adt has nine owned and operated. Based Monitoring Centres and the largest security network in the U, S. 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You had to hit whatever you're doing. She was the decider of our fate. They kept having more and more success. At. The. Problem was because they went unchecked. Heavy metals inside the Karoly gymnastics empire, a seven part series reported by me Elissa Roenick and ESPN senior writer, Bonnie Ford Coming July fourteenth from thirty for thirty PODCASTS IN ASSOCIATION WITH ESPN W. WanNa. Thank AJ SH- knock again for not just joining us on the program for also for directing such a great film, and Forever memorializing a wonderful summer that was for baseball Jalen one thing that he said that was also in the film which I WanNa Talk to you about was this fact. Sammy Sosa. There are no receipts that he used PDF. There was one as you mentioned. The new. York Times report where they said a lot of people tested positive. There's about one hundred fifty five fifty four names and I. Don't I don't know. Sosa was among that list, but he never tested positive. It was never suspended yet. He doesn't remember him that way and not just history, but I don't remember him that way. I assume Sammy. Sosa was using performance enhancing drugs I. Assume Sammy Sosa was breaking rule of some kind yet. My assumptions were wrong. Do you think it's fair that he in particular is remembered as someone who was on PD's although his never truly been caught or positive, I think he deserves to be remembered somebody that was on PD's because the one thing that you seem to be ignoring is the eye test, and what about how his helmet size increased. What about how is muscles in large? And he started like the incredible hulk. What about that part of the game? However, what you just said is profound. It was not illegal in baseball. So therefore. I have to agree with your assessment while a guy didn't test. Positive in any way shape or form didn't get suspended. You can make sure you punish them in a court of public opinion. And even if you decide not to put them in the hall of fame. Put the Chicago cubs should acknowledge you. They should be giving him love Jacoby. You know and I. Think it's interesting. We see this week. Earlier USC is announced. They're gonNA sort of like end there. disassociation with Reggie Bush and we need Sammy Sosa acknowledged and celebrated in the city of Chicago, the heated so much for the way that he deserves N. yourself. I, think you in John and Chris and Jimmy and Ray, and the entire Fab five definitely need to be not just acknowledged by the University of Michigan, but we need a statue. We need some sort of banner and I feel like you're tired of saying this, so I have. Have to say it for you, but you deserve this like what did Sammy Sosa do to deserve to be sort of like a like a like like blackballed from Wrigley field the place where he worked a place where he made millions of place, where he brought so much joy to that fan base, and that city in why does the five? Why can't the Fab five have statue or have a banner or be actually acknowledged now with Joulwan the head coach of the Fab Five. Do you think we will see the statue? End The banner in Ann Arbor. I think you'll see it happen. I just hope. We're not old and walking out there with canes when it does or something happens tragic. To one of us, so then people feel bad and decide. They want to do it Kinda like the climate that we're dealing with right now. With the civil unrest, and for those who are old enough to remember just like Muhammad Ali there was a time that you either love the fat five. Or you hate it. And my distinction was the people who liked rap music. Like us. the people who like Bobby Knight didn't like us. And I understood that then, and as you graduate the stories and watch Muhammad. Ali Get acknowledged body United States and carry the torch at the Olympics. I agree with you I hope this acknowledgement happens and I believe it. Will I just hope something? Catastrophic have to take place in order to create a sense of urgency for to take place well I. Just don't WanNa. See you guys hobbled wheelchaired big gray Afros and also like I. Know You're GonNa have a big button a big belly we'd. Like you, hold me back now on. You're almost fifty. To seventy five, it'd be hitting the gym anymore. You'RE GONNA. Have that big old man belly? Belt. You can't see the bill muscle you. Of the belt, because yes, the roof of the shed has hasta last furloughed last twenty-five from seventy five. I don't. We don't need that. We don't need I. Don't WanNa see. Ovaries celebrate. Jimmy race still look like. On the part for. Like. Here's what we need to do. We need to get. You, know we. Arbor was get you apart. That's why I you guys get playing over forty Brickley game as the Fab five. Let's see I will wear Jimmy still who and I know you. Say! They gotta worry about me and see where they gotta wear involved with their. Explosive players to. You know like now that that fundamental joon post up game's going to be so ran. All the dunk. All the. But now you're all that you want becomes a lot more. Lot more. Jimmy Stewart. Athletic! Tables have turned. The tables have turned you. Off Man. Like. If. The University of Michigan, not celebrating you guys. The Way He deserves truly is a tragedy and Sammy Sosa. Dredges up some of those feelings in another thing I wanNA talk to you. As we conclude this wonderful run that we've had spending time with all of you on Sunday Nights, and also listening to the podcast last dance episode, The two part Lance documentary the be waters, helping Bruce Lee and now long gone summer, celebrating Sosa mcgwire, and and you take zoom out, you look at it macro. You've got names Michael Jordan and Bruce Lee and Lance Armstrong Sammy Sosa Mark mcgwire, and it really makes you think about how impactful sports is on everyone's lives, but how these men are such a big. Big Part of our lives as sports, fans more so than authors, educators and everything, and with all the unrest. We have right now. You really start to feel how important and influential sports is on pop culture, and these films, and just the stories of these people has sort of done that for us as well. Even the fact that we were just discussing the fat five did so much more than turn on people of my age to the game of basketball, but so much more hip, hop, culture, and the the shorts, and the look in the field, and the attitude and the socks and I wonder I want to ask you as someone who is a student notches of basketball in all sports and pop culture, but as a species and cultures a whole. How important and why do think sports has such an impact on culture? Because it's the one place that a billionaire. May Be in the Bilden with somebody that makes forty thousand dollars even as unemployed. It becomes the most unique melting pot that we value entertainment in the United States. We pay more for it than we do. Education. The list goes on and on about services that could use the money, but we want to be entertained. And so. As as a basketball player and as league. To continue to not only uplift AH game. But also during this time of unrest, it reminded me Jacoby. When George Floyd tragically got murdered. There weren't any sports. And it forced us to sit down and really evaluate. Minutes of would. Do you think about race relations in your country in the world and in your household? How a lot of times people over fifty fifty five years old saw different America than the young people as you mentioned that love rap music have seen. And so while everybody's in the same building rooting for the same team. I think more so music it. Particular rap has brought. Urban America to the suburbs enforced. White kids to be loving the PFAFF five and then wearing baggy shorts. Wearing black shoes, black socks and Harare cheese and listening to their favorite rap artists. That's what happens. When you combine sports and Entertainment In music and the impact on society well, Joan that was very well put I. WanNa. Thank you for joining me. Monday and on the podcast to discuss all these different stories every week. I really appreciate you doing that. All the great directors that joined us on all these shows I wanNA thank them as well and the new thirty for thirty podcast series. Heavy metals inside the Corolla Gymnastic Empire is coming. Tuesday July, fourteenth, no two coaches have done more for women's gymnastics than Bela and Marta Karolyi they coach nine niche. I pretend to gave America's first gold medal is first superstar with Mary Lou Retton. They transform America into gold medal machine, but in doing so they create a culture of fear and intimidation that has left generations of gymnasts grapple with the heavy cost of all that success, heavy metals inside the Corolla gymnastic empire is a new seven part podcast series from thirty for thirty. The series will be binge released on July fourteenth. Make sure you pay attention for that upcoming from thirty for thirty and. We are not done with judge. Kobe tells you hunt on August. Object. You, all. This graceful hit the brakes one seconds I'm trying to wrap up the show. Did you in a nice eloquent professional discipline way? Basically, just say to the people that we got fire from the project. That's what it sounded like to me. No! Sounded like to me, that's not her. No, no I was just saying that we are on hiatus. We're not canceled, so makes you stay subscribe to the episode, Jalen and Jacoby this fee will be. Jalen rose. Wise that we're not done. We're not done. We're not done.

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McGwire vs. Sosa  Showdown at Wrigley Corral | 4

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McGwire vs. Sosa Showdown at Wrigley Corral | 4

"It's August Eighteenth nineteen ninety eight at Wrigley. We feel the Saint Louis Cardinals Chicago. Cubs are warming up for their night game in the glow of the Chicago sunsets magic hour. It's a perfect late summer evening for the fans in the stands and the countless TV viewers tuning in to watch mark mcgwire and Sammy Sosa Square off in their race to break break the home run record a perfect evening for everyone except Maguire the cardinals star slugger cycles through his routine pre-game stretches stretches reaching toward his toes as he attempts to loosen up but the real tightness isn't in his body. It's in his mind three weeks ago. McGuire there was seven home runs ahead of Sammy on track to smash Roger Marris's record of sixty one in a single season then marks white-hot bat froze over doubt Krypton. His confidence spiraled now big. Mac has fallen behind his record-breaking pace by this point in nineteen sixty. He won Roger Marris had fifty home runs. McGuire only has forty seven at the moment and Sammy now. He's got forty seven to so down on the Wrigley Infield. Mark is deepen his own head. The last month has been a nightmare. He's cooling off Sammy's getting hot. His cardinals regionals have no chance at the playoffs. Sammy's cubs are playing for wild card berth. Marks doubts are now eating him alive while Sammy seems to be having the time time of his life. McGuire looks up from his stretch across the infield there Sosa cracking up his teammates with an endless stream of jokes. How does he do it. McGuire asks himself. How can you stand front and center in the spotlight and just be so comfortable lately. The media has framed their home run race like two heavyweights trading haymakers in his interviews. Sammy's been leaning into the media narrative but Maguire is. He's always quick to point out that they're not pitching against each other. It's not really head to head of course the reporters don't care the two are definitely rivals rivals but there's no animosity no history between them and they can't directly affect each other. They're more like distance runners constantly pushing each other to keep pace as before one wins on a final kick beams of light shoot through the sky to illuminate the night game between the two and L. Central rivals vols. Mark looks down at his cleats to avoid the glare control what you can control he tells himself release what you can't sooner or later the process. It always works right now. The process is all you've got suddenly a shadow looms over McGuire. He looks up. It's Sammy me. Sosa says hey big MAC. Welcome to my home. Sammy reaches down to help McGuire to his feet before mark knows what's happening. Sammy's tugged him. I'm off. The ground disrupted his routine and wrapped them in a bear hug. Sammy continues. Let's have some fun tonight. Yeah McGuire Searches Sammy Smile. There's is not a hint of irony or malice. Sammy's one hundred percent happy to see him like childhood friends reuniting a high school reunion. No Gamesmanship no agenda just genuine joy sharing a moment with the only guy who understands what this all feels like up until now McGuire had been dreading this trip trip to Wrigley he knew his slump would be put under the microscope and set against Sosa surge but now mark realizes I'm here with the one guy a who fully relates to what I'm going through and if he can smile his way through this hey maybe I can to. He thinks you know what instead of always always focusing on how to beat away the sky on my heels. Maybe I should try being more like Sammy Bossa Ball. It's the weirdest sport you might not have heard of it. Originated aided in Spain around two thousand five and it's a dizzying combo of volleyball soccer gymnastics extreme traveling and quotes exotic tunes. Look it up. It's pretty insane and also wonderful. 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That's Wicks Dot Com code sports wars for ten percent off any premium plan from wondering I'm Dan Rubenstein and this is sports McGuire versus Sosa in our previous episode. The race is to sixty one carried us through the first four months of the legendary nineteen ninety eight season. Mark Maguire blasted out of the gate ripping goner after Goner honor but after the All Star game the attention and demands of the fans and media began to grind him down meanwhile Sammy Sosas bat caught fire in a record-breaking June making him an a-list sport celebrity overnight and he fed off the adulation growing stronger or with each camera shoved in his face like Popeye eating his spinach and then on August nineteenth with forty two thousand strong in attendance and seemingly seemingly half the nation tuned in Mark and Sammy took the field at Wrigley tied at forty seven home runs apiece which hitter would draw first blood would slamming. Sammy finally passed big. Mac would McGuire break out of his slump and return to form. This is episode four in the showdown at the Wrigley Corral. It's the afternoon of August Nineteenth Nineteen Ninety eight at Wrigley Field in Chicago. The cardinals take batting practice a few hours before the night's first pitch. Usually this daily pre game. Routine is an afterthought but today Mark Maguire is in town and standing in at home plate. It's why the bleachers are already full of fans hungry to watch big. Mac blasts bombs bonk's even though the cardinals or the cubs are tribals right now. Sammy Sosa is a fan as well he leans over the railing of the cubs dugout his mouth hanging open in all so says seen McGuire take. BP before this season but you never fully get used to seeing him swing the lumber like that the fans in the bleachers swarmed to the ball. Sammy thinks to himself. I don't attract this much attention in my own stadium. I'M NOT GONNA lie. He tells himself it stings a little hale. That's swing. If I had power like that I didn't ninety Sammy's still the man in Chicago and the Dominican Republic but watching McGuire can't help but make him feel small not just because he's six inches shorter but just mark is the man and he carries himself like it. It's undeniably on display on Sammy's field and in Sammy stadium the realization catches Sosa off-guard a little with the year. He's having insecurity is a new feeling. Sammy closes is time for a reset. He reminds himself self that today isn't about him. It's to make the fans happy it's to continue to provide for his mother and his wife Sonia and his growing family. It's to keep his cubbies hobbies in the hunt for the postseason. Sammy opens his eyes. His heart is full. Gratitude washes over him. He thinks I- Sammy Sosa Hosa I'm in heaven I to play the game. I love for the people I love Maleki Man and now I'm about to show McGuire. WHO's the man in this house. The it's the top of the first inning the cardinals up to bat and here comes uh-huh Mark Maguire. The fans have been waiting for this walked in big. Mac steps into the batter's box. He wags his 35-ounce announced. Rawlings Adirondack model above the plate once twice then raises it over his shoulder. The cubs pitcher rears back and launches the ball. The Maguire's squint time slows down his slugging supercomputer brain processing a mile a minute mark calculates to himself. You look at the ball seems no rotation fastball. He's challenging me right over the meat of the plate this. Is it swing. He's you said Zip. Drive deep back goes Henry track. He's got number. Two the fans are bums. The ballpark deflates in the madness of this home run race. Cubs fans are actually bummed out when Maguire only almost hit a homer homer against their team strange times. It's actually surreal a McGuire swing cracking VAT fastball like that usually sends the ball over four hundred feet and clearly out. It's almost like he held himself back like he's tentative to fully commit when he sees the ball sailing mark breaks off into his home run trot and then his head slumps. He thought he had it as he sulks back to the dugout. He can't help but to replay the at bat in his mind. He thinks well ball was at my knees. Golf shot at it lofted at too high especially with the wind blowing in just can't seem to hit one square pressing being too hard. McGuire then takes off his helmet sits on the bench and looks out to the field his eyes drift association. He then tells himself do that. He likes Hammy think less play more. It's just baseball and then mark relaxes for about two seconds then his inner egner critic chimes in as per usual. Maybe it's my grip probably need more pine tar on the handle. Maybe less I WANNA lose my feel shy. I'm Josh Switch Bats. At this point. Mark Really wishes his inner critic would just shut its fat mouth. They're all style. It's eighteen minutes later bottom of the first inning now. The cubs are up to Bat Sosa steps up to the plate. The cardinals have already scored two runs. No thanks to Maguire but the cubs have a man on first which means Sosa tied the game with a home run. Sammy Establishes Sight Line of the Pitcher in the background. There's the IV outfield wall then fans in the bleachers then the apartments behind the ballpark park with fans crowding the rooftops just to catch sight of Sammy Sosa Swing. They're hopeful that today he'll knock a monster shot right into their hands. Sosas actually spread out his dinger's this season with nineteen to left field fifteen to center and thirteen to right. He's an equal opportunity. Masher Asher gotta keep everyone happy. Sammy digs into the dirt. He knows the cardinals pitcher he's facing has been pitching well but he hasn't faced Sammy and his MVP caliber battling the first pitch is a ball track law. The second pitch drifts wide as well but for some reason the empire sees it in the zone and calls a strike. Sammy looks back and Glares at the silently disputing the call three years ago. This look would would've come close to getting him tossed out of the game but now with the season he's having slamming. SAMII received superstar treatment. Sammy van fouls off the next pitch into the upper deck behind him last night. The cards pitchers held him well moving his eyes away in up down so he wasn't table to get comfortable and pick a spot the result no hits and three strikeouts still sammy is beginning to pick up on a pattern in the cardinals cardinals plan of attack ads a perfect bitch drank recall to sammy guessing something else's struck out looking for outnumber to let's that's exactly how petco Isaac bits last night the only time he saw a right hand pitcher and this is just a beautiful pitch. Just nothing you can do with it. Sammy was thinking in high outside and they painted the corner. Low and inside SOSAS gotta give it to the pitcher that was nasty stuff but he also has to give it to the Empire Glares at him sending a message loud and clear hey today is not about you. Let us play the game. It's now the the top of the third McGuire up again. He breathes deep and forcefully exhales for as overpowering and confident as he looks right now. He's is a six foot five inch balled up. Not of stress big. Mac sneaks a glance at Sammy posted in right field. Immediately McGuire tells himself to knock get off. He thinks this is it. Sammy versus meet don't buy into the hype play ball focus so big. Mac Digs in swung on hits at high high in the air on the food is really struggling. It seems like Stony. He's swinging at everything. McGuire can only imagine what the cubs announcer answers on. Wgn are saying about him. You know what about the pressure thing. Obviously that's what everybody around baseball paying their money to see mcgwire air hit. Sosa hit both of those men. I think have taken very different approaches in how they have dealt with the onslaught of attention but you have to wonder if it's really starting to get to McGuire now if it hasn't already pitching in the Dugout Mark Benz over to unlatch his protective batting Shin Guards and with his head out of the view of the cameras yells also whether they cracked the record or not the sad thing is I would imagine for either one of those men. The perception is going to be that if they don't break the record. It's been a disappointing year for them and nothing could be further from the truth only disappointing if you don't make postseason play if the cubs do get in it and Sammy will be one unhappy man back Jack. We're in the bottom of the third a Sammy Sosa approaches the plate he make sure to catch the umpire's eye as a reminder. The Look says it all not this time. I'm working here. The look does does the trick to pitches in the has called to balls and no strikes a hitters count. Sosa knows the cardinals pitcher will deliver the next pitch fat and over the plate. The ball leaps off. His Bat needs to just carry a little bit to the bleachers. Come on get some legs and nope the ball. CORINN's off the Ivy Heavy Wall Sammy's off like shot trying to stretch a single into a double lately. He feels like the baseball media has overlooked his speed and athleticism. It's like they forgot that. He was a two time member of the single season thirty home run thirty stolen base class the throw from the outfield beats into the base by a hair. He's tagged out. Sosa shakes his head in disgust. He just turned a hit into an out in the middle of a game came with a playoff berth on the line if they lose this one it's now at least partially on him. He thinks I'm not going back to the days of Sammy Sosa. 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He swears that no matter what he's done trying to force it he won't swing at the first pitch could be a sixty eight mile an hour hung curve with a wiffle ball not swinging ball one two big. Mac the first pitch Mrs high inside the Second Mrs Loan Away Far Arba need the strike zone all right. This is more like it mark. Thanks pitchers. GotTa give me one so I can sink my teeth into a foul box strike walk. He's got enriching again to and to acquire steps out of the batter's box to reset get his focus back. He examines the Pine Tar on his gloves used to help his grip. The situation is not ideal. Key thinks even count plus my advantage plan again. I'm Mark Damn McGuire. He steps back up to the plate. The the pitch comes in wild pine away total junk. Bond Maguire's internal chatter resumes there. We go three balls two strikes. Oh count next one is ball for no way they're. GonNa try me on a full count. McGuire walks for the one hundred and thirty first time here in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight the fans boo but club tried to get him out. He didn't pitch around him. He gave a couple pitches to hit and in the end put him on first and then is one of the records he might break this year and that is the all time walk record held by the Babe. That's mark's one hundred and thirty I walk this year which has him slowly closing in on Babe Ruth's record record of one hundred and seventy pig MAC is proud for the first time in weeks got tight recalibrated and saw the game clearly he stopped chasing recent unfortunately two batters later his teammate hits an Infield dribbler and marked reverts to laugh side. Jose's GonNa have wire. You're very very easily. Require mopus back to the dugout seriously what was that he fumes. I haven't run the basis that badly since literally just took a run off the board. Maybe two hey hey. He catches himself. Pump the brakes. What was it that sports psychologist said when I'm launching into a downward downward spiral. What do I do marks inner critic chimes in Mark? We really going to go for this cheesy. Tony Robbins Crap McGuire suppresses. The snarky instinct continues jogging his memory. Come on what the shrink set something about hide and go seek no rebound reframing your perspective looking. That's it find find the wind okay. He tells himself for starters. You got on base by being patient. Then you made it all the way to third and then you saw home-plate from the right angle scoring angle technically you're getting closer. Keep the faith. He tells himself work the process and keep the faith breath. It's now the bottom of the fifth. The cubs are at that Sammy confidently strolls up to the plate this time he doesn't bother to shoot the dirty look. He only has eyes for the cardinals. Pitcher big bad wolf is Sammy is now positive. He hasn't figured out so so so the batter. He's one for two cents. Rocket tipped back goes neighboring track. He's he's got it also gives him the major league lead in runs. Bennett in the major league lead in home runs and Sammy who just missed in the third puts the cubs on top. I four with his forty eighth. The fans going crazy here in Chicago. As so surrounds first-base McGuire turns and stares at the dirt of the Infield he can't bear to look at Sosa jog around the bases aces big. Mac just lost the lead in the home run race for the first time all season. Sammy returns to the home dugout conquering hero his teammates ambush him with barrage of high fives then Sammy emerges from the Dugout for a curtain call he steps up to the top step and lifts his batting helmet to thank the crowd the fans go Berserk Sammy Sosa. The new king of baseball smiles back his loyal subjects and in that moment a big bright neon thought flashes across his mind now you know who I am. It's the top of the six two outs. The cardinals are now down six to to the bases are loaded and here comes mark mark. Mcguire again this time big. Mac faces the cubs Middle Reliever Terry Adams lately. Adams can't get a single soul out really really. He's been a dumpster fire on a dirt mound as mark tightens his grip around his bat. He thinks it's now or never couldn't dream up a better slump buster than seeing this guile amount out of the corner of his eye. He notices the catcher setup far outside. He knows the first pitch is going to be garbage so he lets pass doesn't swing ball one. Then the next pitch is called a strike mark clinches. The next pitch whizzes out of zone yet. He still swings fouling it back so now it's one into one ball to strikes mark then stares here's at Terry Adams on the mound and at the same time tries to calm is growing inner panic but then he picks up on something that catches him completely wheatley off guard despite having this home run machine against the ropes. Terry Adams looks terrified. Mark almost feel sorry for him. He understands that sort of fear but then you're rica the breakthrough. He's been desperate for arrives. He realizes this is when it's me versus the world. I can't win. I'm big MAC yeah but the world is bigger. When it's me verse Sammy I can't win. That's not baseball Paul. That's not the game I love. When it's me versus the pitcher alone then the whole world is on my team? Mark Locks eyes with Adams items that it's just the two of them in Wrigley just like his dad todd in the Maguire Families Southern California backyard twenty odd years ago but marks works inner voice isn't done with him yet that nagging undercutting self destructive pests stands up front center. Maguire's mind clears his throat and does something completely new. His inner voice shouts towards the pitcher's mound at the top of its lungs. Bring it one and two two big Mac Adam sets. Here's Chicago's off Houston's. That's GONNA score cardinal run. Mark just helped to generate a run without taking his bat off his shoulder. The scores now cubs six cardinals three. He's sparking a comeback with pure intimidation nation to pitches later. He's walked It's the bottom of the seven. The cubs are up to bat and it Sammy Sosas turned onto stroll up to the batter's box. The fans go wild for baseball's new home run leader but the cardinals aren't so welcoming the catcher a practically sets up completely to the side of home. Sammy won't be seeing anything. Worth swinging at he quickly takes three balls on his fourth pitch he swings for the fences and just misses contact. He shakes out his neck limbers up his muscles and things to himself. You don't get style points. The farther it goes just knock it out in his head. He congratulates himself for that presence of mind. Two years ago he never would have mentally checked in in the middle of an at bat and and the announcers seemed to know exactly what he's thinking. What have you noticed about soon. How much more patient hitter he'll take a walk a lot more readily than he ever did before you used to be able to get get them out all day long on bad sliders in the dirty dozen swing as at as many of those anymore one. Oh is high two balls so can work account for the first first time. Save you know how important that is. The Guy can go up there if he's not swinging at the first pitch all the time you find yourself with a lot of two or three one counts and that's what any power hitters looking book. Sammy takes ball four he came. He walks to first base where McGuire awaits as he plays in the field but this time big Mac Act doesn't look away from Sami in fact he surprises so so with a smile and then mimics Sammy's celebratory homerun routine kissing his fingers tapping his heart in making the peace sign. Sammy's little confused until mark asks. Hey what's all your home. Run hand supposed to mean. Sosa grins from ear to ear. He explains that the first kiss his mother the second kiss for all the mothers in Chicago and that victory. Vp sign is an honor of their former announcer. Harry Carey. Mark understands and response. I've been seeing a lot of those lately. Maybe these up a bit they laugh and continue their banter waiting for the new pitcher to come into the game mm-hmm. Sammy suddenly senses something inside. McGuire has shifted. He doesn't seem as tight. He's happy for him. He pleasantly thinks looks like my friends back to being happy wait. Oh No. It's the top OPPA the eighth Mark Maguire is up to his cardinals are now down by one time is running out. It's likely the last chance he'll get to make a difference in today's game on the mound is a new cubs. Reliever Matt Cartner Maguire is three or four lifetime against him and that's all McGuire focuses on not the fans not he's Bats Pine Tar just him in the pitcher. The rest of the world drops away come on Karch. He thinks bring it before he knows it. Mark is up three balls to one strike. He's in the zone at this point. The whole world is one big funnel and it's all flowing right into the barrel of his back. Soi Belt taught left. No doubt about that baby. We are tired choir. Is it number forty eight. They now have forty eight bombs apiece. Mark rounds the bases unable to hear his own thoughts over the roar of the crowd he crosses home home and tosses his traditional homerun fake. Gut Punch to his teammates on the broadcast. It appears that Maguire is still wound pretty tight that he's doing his duty fulfilling an obligation rather than celebrating. It looks like relief not joy with McGuire knows what really went down just now. He just felt his soul pop back into place like a dislocated shoulder. He pumps his fist. He's resolute here we go. He thinks this ain't close to over. It's the end of the ninth in Sammy's so mad he could spend at the plate. The cubs went down one two three three back to back innings. They were up by four runs and then the cards chipped away at their lead then McGuire tied it and now they're headed to extra innings. Sammy amy thinks this is not how you make the playoffs as he runs out to right field to play some unexpected bonus baseball. He tells himself that well he'll just have to swing swing the big stick in the tenth and walk his team off to another notch in the wind calm. There's just one potential problem. Mark mcgwire's coming up to to bat. I it's the top of the tenth. McGuire approaches the plate normally the fans would be cheering but an ominous fuelling has overtaken the ballpark before it was all fun and Games. Sammy took over the home run lead and Maguire was coming undone and the cubs were winning. Now that's all changed the game tied sewer mcgwire and Sosa with a playoff berth hanging in the balance Maguire's presence looms over Wrigley field field like Zeus ready to unleash thunderbolt mark steps into the batter's box as per usual. He starts off his routine by wagging his bat over the plate like a Gargantuan Orchestra conductor leading his symphony of Swat ball one ball to mark locks in the pitcher Terry Mulholland in the past. Terry has actually had marks number holding him to only two hits in thirteen at bats. This marks quints even as he's behind the count. Mulholland doesn't appear to be afraid of McGuire. Not One bit mark than squint harder. He can feel a little of that doubt creeping back in gnawing at the edge of his consciousness. He Zeroes in on the whites. Mo- Holland's is at last the world world drops away. He's at the plate. The pitchers on the mound nothing else exists but then a rare loose lighthearted thought crosses his suddenly clear mind kind of funny. The cubs have two pitchers named Terry Swap Belt center-field Judson back at the track choir has never forty this time as mark crosses home plate his fate gut punches nearly knocked the wind out out of his teammates. Maguire is back atop the mountain in first place of the home run race. He's now only one off from the record-breaking Kurd breaking pace and most importantly he's fallen in love with competing on the baseball diamond again now more than ever big. Mac is back in our upcoming final episode sewed of the mcgwire. Sosa series we come down the home stretch with our sluggers vying neck and neck in the race to break sixty one oh and in case you're wondering when unsocial came to bat in the tenth he grounded out to the Pitcher on a fluke ricochet. The cubs lost four batters later eight six. Come on. You'd think we're GONNA leave. You hanging did you. If you enjoyed this episode you can subscribe on Apple podcasts spotify Pandora or wherever you get your podcasts. We've got a ton of great stories in the work. So there's a linked to subscribe in the episode notes simply tap or Swipe over the cover art. You'll also see some offers from our sponsors. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1551: The 1998 Home Run Race Revisited

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Effectively Wild Episode 1551: The 1998 Home Run Race Revisited

"When to a ball game the other day skinny guys in Baggy Pants. Who Ray pitchers do it was onto? One scene abondoned steel at head. Lord Air, Miss the. Day. Sammy Sosa hit sixty year. Old Guys hidden bombs at the end of their career. I miss the Stair Oi era. Miss the! Day Slow. Welcome to episode fifteen, fifty, one of effectively wild baseball podcast from fan graphs presented by our Patriot. Supporters I am Ben. limbered of the Ringer I will join in just a moment Tyson Miller of yes, pm as well as a Schmuck, the director of Thirty for thirty documentary long gone summer, which we will be spending this entire episode discussing so on Sunday night. ESPN aired gun summer. It's the story of the Nineteen Ninety eight home run race, both what it was like in the moment, and what we think of it now, so are going to interview, Ha, the director, and then after that interview Salmon I will have a discussion about our memories. Have that season what we thought at the documentary and how we remember. Remember that whole era, just a quick disclaimer I do appear in the documentary. I was interviewed for it and are a few short snippets of me. Expounding on something other I wasn't otherwise involved in the production, and I wasn't paid to appear, but just thought I should state that up top, so let's get started with our interview segment, so we are joined now by the director of Lung Gun Summer H H K HSA. CONGRATS on the Senate. Thanks for coming on. Thank you guys so I assume that proceeding with the documentary like this was contingent on the participation of mcgwire and Sosa, so were they at all reluctant to take part, and did you have any hope that they'd be more reflective or forthcoming about their PD use? I mean first of all. Yeah, they definitely a thing that we talked ESPN. Was You know how do you get these two guys who you know? Maguire is never liked doing anything of a like a long form interview. That hasn't been doing much press of. Late in recent years, so how do you get both of them to near? Not just sit down. Sit Down for the length of time that we wanted them to do it. So that was definitely a part of the initial conversations and the work that you know we did for more than a year actually just to kind of get them both on board. In terms of you know dealing with steroids and their PD, US or alleged BDU's. With McGuire I always felt that he. He had said pretty clearly. You know it's conscious interview in another interview that he did before rejoining the cardinals coach. You know what he had done when he had done it and how he felt that had or hadn't affected his performance I wasn't sure what family was going to say. When I asked him I know he's. He feels very proud of his accomplishments and feels insulted that people view it within this frame, so you know I think. He said something that I had not heard him say before, but I didn't I didn't expect him to to change his story, which is that he didn't what he said to Congress which is, but he didn't use. Were there any questions that they just? Didn't answer. You asked the question and they just didn't want to go there. No, I, I told him kind of going in that. You know we were GonNa talk about everything. We were GONNA. Talk about the season and talk about their previous history in the game and you know that was one of the things in talking to mark that he you know pretty much. Twenty minutes into the first interview was talking about the fact that he'd been therapy that he had kept these lists of. Things he expected from himself to accomplish, and then puts them in a safe and doesn't look at it again until the end of the season. And these are things that I. I was pretty sure we're not common information so hearing him talk like that. You know especially knowing his reluctance to do big interviews. I felt really good that he was. You know coming into this process with. You know the decision that he was going to be. As open as possible. Did you talk to Tony Larussa about that aspect of the story at all? Just because he was with acquire in Oakland during the bash brothers years, he was with the McKinnon St Louis. And of course he's in the hall of fame, and some people will say well if you're going to keep some of these players out because of their PD user suspected PD use. Use How do you not hold the manager? Who was there the whole time? Accountable so I wonder if that came up at all or whether you're just sorta stuck to the performance with him. No, I, asked him about it I asked him also about Andro, he had sort of famously criticized the AP reporter who had written the story. You know I thought his his answer about. The steroids question was basically. The mark is a a good guy and has. Proven in other ways that he has good character, and that that overcomes the mistakes that he might have made. There were moments when that was in the film, but in the end it's I thought it was more compelling to Let other people dissect you know. How's the season is viewed now part of. You know with any kind of story is ultimately it? It becomes a story that everybody has ownership of because that was how it affected them at the time, and how it affects them now, so we wanted to go with the approach of letting Bryan Voices. You know kind of breakdown now. Just what was happening at the time? But how they feel about you know whether whether or not it completely invalidates. Either their experience of that season. You know the actual achievement so that season. So interesting to talk about you know that era these days because like I in some ways players who were implicated a lot of them not only are forgiven, but you know became beloved figures in the sport. Bartolo, Cologne was suspended in became one of the most beloved figures in the sport. Jason Giambi was in an dozens and dozens of players have been implicated in. It's just more or less forgotten about and I don't. There are other players for whom it's still is a big part of their legacy in that you get the sense that they're still not that comfortable with it. I thought. The most fascinating part of the documentary was when you get to Andro and mark. Maguire is still sort of like complaining bitterly about the way that the Andro was was reported on at the time because he still is saying like. Oh, it was. It was legal. There was there was no rule against Andrew at the time. And you're like. Yeah, but also you were doing doing steroids like. It's a strange way that like we're still not sure whether to cast players from that era as a victims of a witch, hunt or perpetrators of a fraud, and I I don't think the broad public has has necessarily agreed on which one it is, and in particular, even with specific players we treat it differently and I felt coming out of the documentary that one of the things that you really come away with. Is that Sammy? Sosa and mcgwire still aren't really that comfortable being like. About it like they still aren't quite sure how it's going to be treated. Do you think that just because of their role in history? If they had each ended up with fifty eight home runs, you think that they would have a different perspective on that era. Yeah, I think for sure there. I think they've certainly been held to a different. Level of responsibility or blame for what occurred during that era, you know I, think because you know because the request such heights it can also reach you know such depths on on the other end of it. You know one of the things I hope that we were able to do was to. Talk about the the Andro, and just to frame the era, a little bit differently for people who don't remember the fact that it was such a sea change to go into the nineties from the teams. We had seen in the eighties in terms of people embracing this Kinda. Bodybuilder Jim Culture of bulking up and adding on muscle mass, and you know doing all these supplements wide open. You know creatine with the you know. One of the more prominent ones, but you know the fact that a lot of this was was right there in front of us. You know I think it was something that you know people may be felt. Either that they should have seen it coming or is it? They should have known that it was going on. I think there are a variety of reasons why people felt after the fact like why didn't I? Know I was being. Tricked or misled, and maybe that's why you know. People had have still lingering either anger or conflicted about how they feel about these two guys as opposed to you know we know that lots of players were doing. pitchers were doing it. Hitters were doing it. That were no. Set rules that. Were you know subject to penalty or subject to testing? Yeah, definitely you know the ones who who did the most are the ones who are feeling the most blowback for sure. I wonder whether you thought about talking to or tried to talk to Ken. griffey junior or bonds griffey because he was part of the early stretch of this racing, because he hit fifty six and back years, and if you believe that Griffey was clean, and the Maguire, and so, so we're not, and they hit as many homers as they did because they were not then you can think that maybe if he would have reason to be bitter about this, and of course with bonds, the story goes that he was overshadowed during that home. Run race, and that that's part of what prompted him to start taking. PD's so I wonder whether that was a consideration. Never thought about bond because I really wanted to focus on that season and again reminding people how big the season felt at the time. And how it you know captivated the country in a way that sports hadn't in a while, and maybe hasn't since so that was that was kind of the focus in terms of the interviews that we thought out we did. Try to get griffey and you know weren't successful. You know now. At the two hours of real estate that we had and even just telling the story of these two guys and their backgrounds. You know it would've. It would have been a real challenge to in and do to do justice to fees storyline because you know you'd WanNa talk about how the race was seen in Seattle, and you know how he felt both then and after after the fact. Fact you know I certainly one question. I'd love ask. Griffey is now that we see the ball. You know wound a little bit tighter people hitting home runs, but they're hitting now you know, would he? Would he be capable of if he was playing? You know in twenty twenty as opposed to you know one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven, hundred, ninety I'm curious about how you decided to. To structure the documentary because I kept wondering. When is he going to get into the steroid stuff? It sort of looming there as he watched the rest, and you mentioned the Andrew Affair about forty seven minutes in and then I think it's not until the thirty mark that you have Bob Costas saying, but there was a price to pay, and then the rest disturbed stuff so it sort. Sort of mirrored the way that we experience the story in the moment where it was fun and innocent, and then only later did we learn about these other aspects, but you could have laid out the whole arc of the story from the start and foreshadowed this and said this is great, but then later it kind of changed, but you chose not to do that and I wonder why. I mean in a way I felt it was sort of rewarding if we'd have started off with like you know. Hey, this is a controversial story steroids. You know I mean. That's that is that is the frame that we're in right now? Like everyone looks back at ninety eight feeling conflicted because they know what was happening during the steroid era, so it was a real goal for me to try to put the viewer back into a place where they were experiencing it as if it's in real time, and what the emotion felt like and I really did look at the ANDRO. Section as okay these are. Here's the first real signs that we're seeing something that is different. You know the we did. We don't know all of the information about. What's going on on the field, but yeah to me. It felt I also didn't want to make. It seem like we knew more than the people who are living at you know it's like it's kind of. It's a level of of judgments as a filmmaker, if I'm saying like. Hey, you're all smarter than these people who are in the moment you know to recreate how big it was and how it became a national conversation. It was important to me to kind of strip away the Hayes as much as I could, and then you know, be able to unpack it, and maybe then you can unpack it in a way that looks at a slightly differently than your priors. Coming into a we also don't. There's so much about that era that we actually still don't know and so in in some sense, it would be hard to get really deep into like the here's what was actually going on sort of darker underbelly side when what we really know is pretty vague. Vague strokes about like well, there was a lot of cheating going on. We know mark mcgwire's kind of apologized for things, but like we don't know like what day he was going into what closet or whatever doing what and so it's hard to make it a lot more specific than a sort of like. Well as as you do at the end like to to to say well okay, so we we'd seen what what we what we just watched, and and there's a lot we don't know about it. Yeah I think that through the questions that we have about that era are still a lot of them are still there you know again. I think the biggest one being that we don't know just who. who was and who wasn't and we probably never? Will you know I think there was something that practical said in his interview that we didn't get to US where he said no? I've come to just the acceptance. That I can only know about myself. You know I'm the you know I. Know that I didn't use and that's all I can say. I don't know about anyone else in the game so. That's the looming challenge in terms of wanting to judge the accomplishments of of that entire era, various people in the film including Kerry would express the idea that the ninety eight home run race saved baseball after the strike, and that's not a new idea. Many people have said that, and it makes a good story of course, but if you look at the attendance figures, both before and after ninety eight I. I don't think it stands up to scrutiny really. I guess you could disagree and I wonder whether you subscribe to that idea that it really did save baseball, or if baseball was on its way back already, and and whether you considered kind of pushing back on that a bit to me, what it did was think in moment, and maybe it was the moment of you know in Busch Stadium. And Sammy embracing aftermarket sixty two I think for a lot of people in the country, but baseball fans and people who didn't follow the game closely. It was a moment that made them feel like baseball was representing the best of America that what they thought like. This is what America could be to have these two guys doing this thing embracing one another embracing the history of the game. I think it it. It helped to change people's perceptions about how they felt about baseball after they may have felt more bitterly after the strike, so I don't just look at it in terms of the canons, numbers or even the viewership numbers. Some you know what you can look at different statistics, and it goes different ways to me. It's more about sort of A. Less tangible numerically feeling that people had around this sport that they hadn't had since the strike. And you know, but which has linger had lingered for for a while. I think in terms of people's perception of baseball the year after they hit seventy and sixty six home runs, they both topped sixty again, and then a couple of years later, when when bonded seventy, three, associate, sixty four. I think again and so much of what this documentary covers. I have I had forgotten about I was just a. you know just a college kid at the time kind of watching it, but a lot of it was really new to me and. And so I actually cannot remember whether there was a home run chase in nineteen, ninety nine, whether we all freaked out because they were both chasing seventy again, and you spent a lot of time in that era. What was it like in one thousand nine hundred? Was it still a big deal or did we move on, and did it get just to familiar? No, I think if you look at attendance, figures or viewership when cardinals and cubs were coming to town near is still seeing these crowds, and still seeing these people who were showing up. You know hours in advance for for batting practice I mean I certainly remember. Going to dodger stadium in ninety nine went down to see the padres play. The cardinals and people were showing up in. To attend batting practice to see Maguire head so I think there was still a level of enthusiasm I don't know people felt that you know. Hey, they're going to do it again. I think it was more just like Oh. Maybe we're going to see some more home runs from these guys that we've fallen in love with and I wanNA. Ask One other question about. What the coverage was like or what the public sentiment was like because you spent so much time in that space like I have a sort of a vague memory. I mean the documentary captures this that a Sammy Sosa was in in a lot of ways treated as like a secondary character in this drama of a very crucial one, but because he wasn't as famous before. Before the season began because he was trailing most of the time because he kind of came out late. Because you know probably because mark, Maguire was American in home run. Title has often been sort of a I. Don't know how to put it, but a little bit of a fraught identity record I guess the question that I have is. Were people rooting against Sammy Sosa? Sosa I don't really remember which way that it went. was there a sense that like Mark Maguire was the the public choice? I think it depends on who you talk to I. Think a lot of people around. The cardinals felt that that people were rooting persa because he was the underdog, and he was having so much fun where it's for most of the season you. You know mark with you. Know did not want people attention on whether or not. He had hit a home run. Sammy was like Yep you WanNa interview me. Bring the camera like. Let's go, and so I think it depends on who you talk to. It may change as to who people felt. Was You know the favorite? I think you know certainly from a perspective of? A game that you know had seen Hank. Aaron treated big narrowly poorly when he was challenging the all time home run record. There are a lot of people who were patting themselves on the back just to see that there wasn't that kind of vitriol aimed toward Sammy, and that this felt like a feel good moment in. Race relations you know the there's a somewhat infamous cartoon of. Thursday and there's a wall in front of them that they've broken down. That said racism and That that was. A Bit Naive I think we can all agree especially in our current world situation by certainly in that moment you know I. I, I think people you know they. They were seen as being these. Both likable and admirable characters and I. Don't think that aside from your individual fandom of certain team I don't think there would have been. Disappointment about either one of them, ultimately ending the season with the record I think. Would have done that after mcgwire hit sixty two, it certainly would have been. A very interesting twist under storyline you interviewed Todd McFarlane. Who paid roughly three million dollars for choirs, seventieth ball and paid a much smaller amount for Sosa's sixty. Six than McFarland later bought Barry bonzes seventy third home run ball, although that only cost him half million which makes me think that maybe the seventieth homerun vault didn't really appreciate so I. Wonder whether you asked him whether he regrets spending that much on those balls, whether they're still special to him, and whether they're still worth a fraction of what he paid for them well, he said that there were a couple of reasons why he did it. One of the reasons was that he. Had had really wanted to get into doing. Figurines of sports players and he had had a hard time having anyone in the league sort of take him seriously as a somebody who would who would do that? He thought if I do this. It will show I'm serious about sports and I'll be able to like. Try to get that to happen. And his guests was right I mean he did, and then getting those contracts and I'm I'm sure that he has in fact I know that he has made that money back in terms of being able to do those sports figures, he said the secondary reason why he did. It was because his brothers were both huge baseball fans and To quote him he he wanted to be able to say to them. I've got a baseball I've got the baseball. So for those two reasons despite the fact that I think cumulatively. He paid over like five million dollars for the baseball collection from ninety eight. He still feels good about it. One last question about the music, which is by Jeff Tweedy, in which is really beautiful and astounding has ask about that, too. It's almost distracting because they like it so much about. PAS The documentaries I. Want to hear the rest of this. It's so good and I mean so much of this documentary is just you're just watching these beautiful things and listening to these beautiful things. So that's it like it's really pleasant and I wanted to know with because we've had some conversations about what constitutes a baseball song. Did you tell Jeff Make Baseball? Bali? In this? Like like it is baseball, and what? What about it says? This is baseball documentary music. Jeff grew I grew up. Just not thing Louis small town, Edwardsville Illinois Jeff grew up in Belleville, which is about two to three towns south of where I grew up a little bit older than me and knew he was a baseball fan, and of course now he lives in Chicago so when I started talking with the ESPN and I was like you know I would really love to get Jeff tweedy to do. The soundtrack did not know whether that was possible. I don't know did not know Jeff personally at the time, so we reached out. You know I had a conversation about it, and you know. I said you know what I'm. Just interested in is that you know. Kind of where I'm coming from in terms of being a baseball fan who grew up in Saint Louis during the era that I did and I talked about. Jack, Buck and Mike Shannon on the radio, and you know driving around with my dad and the station wagon you know through the cornfield listening to the Games so I just Kinda talked to him sort of thematically about the background how I was looking at structuring the film and on my birthday last year. I woke up and open my. Email and there were twenty tracks from them, and so he just at me all this music you know one of the things that I'm so excited about the film is the way I was able to cut to his music from like. home runs fifty five through the sixty two sequence I used a lot of Stems and then went to Chicago in early March before the pandemic it and. He added some flourishes. To kind of go with the picture, but the the idea of having you know these voices who had witnessed it now people who've had touched the events in Busch, stadium in September of ninety eight and combine that with some of this film footage. Mlb It's announced a film. Camera Persons sixteen and thirty five, and some of that has been seen, but most of it hasn't and then just score, and just kind of could put all this together and try to make these emotions that were felt time knowing mark goes and hugs the mayor's family when he lifts son up into the air. You know the generational aspect of baseball that seemed to be so dominant in that moment you know just music was just a joy to get to edit with, because really felt like you could underline things in a way that. You maybe wouldn't be able to, and you know when I first heard it I, I didn't think like this. The sounds like Americana Baseball music but I think it's per perfect. There's a sort of you know h analogy to some of it that just on its own doesn't seem like it would work, but it totally does. Can we download or stream that somewhere or can you just forward the email from? So I personally can. We should talk to jeff about that I. Mean that's I'm just thrilled that people get here because I think you know the some of the best score music for. That I've ever heard so. I'm excited for people to hear it on Sunday. Twelve congrats again and thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Thanks very much. I appreciate it as well. So, we will take a quick break now and then salmon I will be back for some additional discussion. Olson's win so. With the. Thing in some. With with? co-defendant. Very compelling. It's. All right, so we wanted to do a little post interview discussion Jacksonian you now without. Review, but when thought about when we were watching a movie and I was very much in the target market for this movie. I think just because of how old I was when this happened, so this was summer of ninety eight I guess I was eleven years old and people say that age twelve, or whatever is when you tend to care most about baseball, and I don't know if that's true for me or for everyone, but I certainly did care deeply about baseball that time and my own fandom was kind of at A. A height because I was Yankees, Fan and I was watching. One of the best teams ever end. Meanwhile, this homerun chase was playing out and I remember tuning into it whenever I could and wherever I was, and I took some trips that summary recall and it was constantly like. How do I find out what acquired Sosa today? 'cause you couldn't do that on your phone. It wasn't just omnipresent the way it would be today, so it was like got to get in front of a TV gotta get to Sportscenter gotTa Watch. Watch this game if it's being broadcast and it really took me back to that time, especially like when the graphics on the screen in the documentary would show the leaderboard that just brought back really visceral memories for me because that was what you saw of that summer, it was those three guys are than those two guys just jockeying for position at the top. Yeah, the feeling that I mean I agree like we mentioned this in the interview, but the decision really for the documentary was. Is this going to be a documentary? Documentary about reliving that summer, or is it going to be a documentary about reframing that summer and I I if I were starting. The project might natural temperament is would would probably make me think Oh, this is a reframing type yet. Ori And he chose the relive at one, and it's just a choice. There's not a right way. just depends on what you saw. You WanNa tell how you WANNA. Tell it, but I definitely was caught up in reliving like I. I did not know that I needed to relive it. That summer like I thought that I remembered it, but really like to get caught up in it again to see the swings to feel like at the the pressure building. It was really I thought effectively done I mean that the the sense of time and place was really captured very well, and at the end of it, though at the end of this experience I think mirrors the end of the the experience of actual nine, hundred, Ninety Eight, which is that you're really when when you're in the middle of a record chase or even thinking about hypothetical record chase seems just so hard to break. Break the record I. Mean it's never been done right. Sixty two has never been done, and it seems like it's going to be this momentous impossible incredible thing, and when you described the idea of somebody hitting sixty two home runs, it just sounds Titanic Gargantuan and the kind of the conclusion at the end of one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety eight was as I think a lot of records are where you actually see it happen, and you go. Oh, yeah, that just that. That just was a thing that it wasn't impossible. It was very possible they didn't just hit sixty two. They hit seventy. Wasn't just one of them. It was two of them, and then they didn't just do it once they both did it next year, and there was something about like living with the anticipation of seeing sixty two that get stripped away immediately upon sixty to actually being hit and Johnston demolished and recapturing the anticipation, and the feeling that we had in August that this was a thing that mattered as opposed to the feeling we had in the years to follow where it look smaller and smaller with every passing. Year was like A. Moment to capture, and you could really get you made that transition in a way in the middle of the documentary a new you sort of felt like when he makes the decision. Okay, now we're GONNA. Talk about the steroids now we're GONNA show bonds hitting number seventy one. You feel that same sort of like almost loss of tension. Yeah, that was another thing that I re experience. While I was watching this was. was that feeling of just being staggered as the numbers kept climbing, because really the whole summer, your mind was fixed on the milestones like sixty, sixty, one, sixty two, and even though it was pretty apparent that they were going to break that at a certain point that they would even blow by it because there is a Lotta season left and they were right there still like once, he got to sixty two. Two. That sorta felt like okay. That's it maybe because Mariss. When he broke reuss record, it was just by one he just barely got by, and it took a longer season and this time they just they got to sixty two. They just kept going and going and the numbers as they kept climbing up into the upper sixties and seventies. It was like mind boggling even to see that again because I've just. Just, been thinking about it as mcgwire hit seventy bucks at seventy three. No pick deal I've sort of gotten used to that idea, but to see it happen in the moment where sixty two was so amazing, and then they didn't stop there. They kept going and going. And these numbers kept climbing into this just unimaginable level, but then as you said they did it again, so it wasn't a one time thing. That was really remarkable at the moment so just so different from Roger Mares like you say he did it by one home run by the skin of his teeth in a controversial way, even like it was so close that some people wouldn't count it even and any never came close again. I mean Roger. Mara's made it look hard and the experience of watching Susan Maguire from ninety eight to two thousand one was they made it. It look really really easy and in a sense that shows just how great they were, and how for those four or five years? They were both just they had had just mastered the art of hitting home runs, but in a sense, it also just sort of captures that this was a story about an era as much as anything else and that I don't know. It just felt like like they had like just it didn't feel. It was stressful. It looked stressful. It didn't look hard them like there were a lot of bad swings that that you'd watch like a bad swing and then like oh well, that's number forty eight. And that's something I. Don't know if it's really a critique of the documentary, but it's something that I guess I. Wish had been mentioned in some way. Is that clearly? This was a product of the offensive environment. I think there's a a good probability that the ball caused a lot of that. So this is something that in my interview with Aj, I talked about and I think I had written something about it for the ringer, and at that was even brought me on, and it didn't end up in the documentary and I'm not shocked. Because maybe it's Kinda complicated as he said there was limited time to get to that, but if If you experience this in the moment or for many people watching this now they think oh well, guys. We're hitting a lot of homers because steroids, and that's really the only explanation given for why they were hitting seventy homers, and if anything that kind of cheapens the accomplishment. If you think that's all, it was on the other hand. Maybe it makes it more impressive, because really the reality is that this was an incredibly high scoring era. It was the highest home run rate era until the current one, but the fact that we're now seeing this era with strict drug testing and yet the home run rate is higher than it was then. Then granted the distribution is different, and the leaders are not hitting as many home runs. There aren't the outliers that there were and I'm not saying that steroids didn't play a part in those home run totals, but I would have liked a little more context to just say hey. The homerun rate really skyrocketed suddenly, and it seems like it's the ball. A lot of people think well. Maybe it's expansion. Maybe it's smaller ballparks and have seen some studies on that that suggest it probably wasn't that, but the way that the home run rate just leaped up all of a sudden I think it's pretty consistent with the ball being part of it. It and even if you look at Maguire's whole career like when he came up in eighty seven, and he set the rookie homerun record while that too was a really outlier homerun rate year, and then the home run rate went down again, and Maguire's homerun totals went down again, and it's not really a coincidence like when records are set often, it is when there's some underlying issue here, and maybe it wasn't necessary to get into that, but that has kind of reframed my own understanding of that era, and what was responsible for these high home run total so I am interested in sort of raising awareness of that as a factor. I'm looking at Mark mcgwire's baseball open space right now and seeing the number. Seventy of course is like. Wow, that's a lot of home. Runs ends a lot of home runs. A line that you notice, but I'm almost more amazed at two thousand. When he hit thirty two home runs in two hundred and thirty six bats to me thirty, two in two, thirty six is even weirder discordant more out of a out of place on Baseball Reference Page, than seventy, five, hundred and nine. Hey, what do you think this documentary would have been like? or or what do you think? I guess maybe broader conversation about mark, mcgwire and Sammy Sosa would be if barry bonds head at never hit had hit fifty three home runs in two thousand and one Yeah I. I. Don't know because it doesn't really change anything about what it was like at that time, and so much of the story is that it captivated the whole country in a way that maybe we haven't seen since, and that happened regardless of the fact, that bonds came on a few years later and broke the record I. Did think it was amusing to hear one of the calls I. Guess It was the call on the seventieth homer where the announcer says they'll be shooting at that one for years and years and I don't know his three years years and years technically. It's more than two years, but they were not shooting at that one for very long, but I don't know that it actually changes it that much, because a no one really accepts bonds record as legitimate and these days, no-one really accepts mcgwire's record, which admit, and I don't mean legitimate as they don't count, they do count. The stats happened there in the record book, but people don't consider them to have been on the level, or on the up and up because of what we know now and so I don't know that it actually matters that much 'cause even if Maguire were still the record holder I'm not sure people would really give him the. that a typical cleaner perceived to be clean record holder gets yeah. I don't know either. Yeah. I don't know either I. Guess. Hypothetically I feel like like one of the lessons that of of seeing how players are singled out for their their. PD USAGE when they get to good that if you can be really good, because a PD's, but you can't be too good, because once you get to good than then people don't forgive you for it. Is that you Kinda you SORTA? Don't WanNa too high a profile. I think I. Don't know t totally spitballing. I don't know if this is true at all, but you could maybe imagine that. The sport was more willing to forgive Mark Maguire because he didn't have the home run record, then maybe they would if he still had the home run record. Yeah, I do think part of it. Part of it is that they did too well, and they brought this upon themselves, because people are upset about the fact that you can't compare the stats across eras, because steroids skew things but I think part of it is also how they have handled the post revelations, comments, and their lack of contrition, or they're kind of qualified contrition, so you had Maguire of course claiming up at the congressional. Congressional hearing several years later with his much derided line I'm not here to talk about the past, which was sort of exactly what he was supposed to be there for, and even now how he always says that it was an injury recovery thing, which first of all, even if it was an injury recovery thing, that's still essentially a performance enhancer I mean. If you think that you would have been hurt otherwise, then you wouldn't have even been on the field, or it would have been impacting your performance in some way so even if you're just telling yourself well, I've always been great at hitting homers, which is true in Maguire's case, and this didn't make me better at. At hitting homers at just enabled me to stay on the field. That's still pretty significant. That's not nothing and I think most people don't really believe that that was the sole effect, either so if they had come out at some point as some other players from that era have done, and really just throw themselves on the mercy of the Court of public opinion, and said yes, I did this and here's why and I'm sorry. I think things might be a little different like maguire just doesn't totally seem fully ready to reckon with it, and it seems like to the extent that he has. It was probably because he wanted to work in baseball again and that was kind. Kind of the cost that he had to apologize if he was going to be embraced again and Sosa has not apologized has not really been embraced by the cubs, which is sort of a shame regardless of what he did or didn't do. I think people would probably still be pretty pleased to see him. Just the way that giants fans are always pleased to see. Barry Bonds Yeah I mean. It's definitely a shame. It's a shame. Win Our judgment when the collective judgment is applied inconsistently, and this is because I mean partly because this all happened in an era where you know like guilt has always been a little squishy, because we don't really know who did it. Why and as part of what kind of social norms in in the game, but also because we have instead of having, because there is no like retroactive punishment. We have we I mean collectively. The sport has decided that this is going to be handled by how. Large groups of people collectively treat athletes in retrospect, and it's just it's. It's inconsistent in like it has always been inconsistent and I mean I think that that's a shame in in all sorts of ways I think it would be nice if we had a way to close the books on this era that didn't involve some players feeling really targeted and some players you know not like like. Like it just it's It's one line on their wikipedia page in nothing more, so yeah, I mean. It is bizarre that you that you can have a player who is one of the most significant players in the last fifty years of franchise. Who's you know basically kept out of the franchise in Sosa, whereas you have other players who are employed by major league teams right now and. Just doing fine like Mark Maguire. This is not a big issue I will just since you mentioned it I'll say that the that the not it's not a convincing. Apolo, when when Mark Maguire says that he just needed it to stay on the field, and that it was just about recovery. I don't really believe that that's the only effect of the, but if it were true if you believe the facts of that, I actually think that would be a very different thing. We accept all sorts of of controlled substances being used for therapeutic reasons and I don't think people are like upset. I don't think people would be upset. If these these chemicals were used to keep players on the field just like they're not upset. That cortisone is used to key players on the field, specifically the performance enhancing aspect of it. It's the idea that the home run was not real. PEOPLE WANNA. See Baseball, players or people WANNA see great performers in any field given the chance to perform their their skill. It's really the feeling that that home run. That I saw wasn't real. And Maguire and others have always been caught in between where they just they. There isn't a way that they're comfortable admitting that fact, and if they're not comfortable, admitting that fact that it did cause them to hit more home runs than there's something that feels like you lose the apology right away like from the very first words of your apology. There's something that the listener is just doesn't find that to be authentic convincing based on his sound premise, and so it's it's. Really a little bit sad to see just twenty years later Maguire, still sort of fumbling to try to figure out a way to communicate with the public of of what he did why he did it and what it meant to him as a performer and I don't know I guess that, maybe at the core of of both his experience and so's experience is just that amazingly twenty two years later. They're still isn't any really sort of openness that we can. All collectively have. There's A. Fragmentary conversations about an error that we still don't understand all that well, and it would. It would be nice it at least for for me as a baseball fan. If if we we all were a little bit like I don't know if we all felt a little safer. Having a conversation about. What what it all meant, but it's just. When you're when you're a an elite athlete and you're playing for your legacy, and you can't trust necessarily a good faith interpretation of actions. You're just. You're still cautious twenty years later. and. I still feel like I'm so much of the documentary is capturing the stress the pressure that but those players felt although it really feels like. Maybe the pressure was on both of them, but Mark Maguire is the one who really yeah had trouble with it. Seems to have thrived, he did. It really seems to have been like. To to suited his his personality and He saw it as a gift. It was really it's sort of a lot more joyful to watch Sammy Sosa because. The summer he embraced the summer as a blessing, Maguire pushed the summer away in a lot of ways yet. There's a point where Maguire says. Something like there were no rules. There were no regulations which is not actually true. If he was talking about intro specifically okay, but that were rules regulations like the things that he was taking, he was taking steroids. He said for like a ten year period, and that was spanned. Spanned by baseball, and it was legal in the country at the time and I know that wasn't really enforced than there is a culture of permissiveness and looking the other way, but it's not actually true that he was not breaking rules or regulations, so that just seems like part of his rationalizing of this, which like clearly, the accomplishment seems to mean a lot to him and I can see why he wouldn't wanted. Wanted Diminish it by saying. Yeah, it was Ju- singing. That's why I hit these homers and also understand wife. If you're Mark Maguire, you probably think that you could just hit. Dinger's it well because he always did rated there this story about how many homers he hid in little league, and then he comes up as a rookie with the as and he's mashing. Diggers left and right so like clearly he was A. A home run hitter and he was a great slugger, and that would have been true even if he hadn't taken what he took, so it's probably pretty easy. If you're Mark Maguire to tell yourself that, even if we don't really by watching from afar, yeah, well I mean look. Nobody wants to hear. Nobody wants to hear the player who cheated to win. Say Abbott didn't really help I. Mean it it whether I. Think. Whether it's true or not, and whether even you care that much. I, I'M A as a non baseball player. I am not personally that I don't know. I accept that that there's a certain amount of cheating in the game that that the players themselves are negotiating amongst themselves, and so I try not to to be to judgmental about it. It's it's part of their game, and I'm an observer and I am a grateful consumer of the game, but you know it's their game right and so I try not to get too upset about it or to like. Get to judgmental about it, but even for me. Like I I like truth. I like a certain amount of like authenticity I like it. When a person looks, the tells me the truth, and there is a feeling that when someone says that you know yeah used I secretly use steroids to win home run record, but it didn't help me that it's not the record I'm protective of. It's just like my own dignity like I. Don't really believe that when when you say it to me and that's more my response than anything else. I think you know I. Don't stay up nights thinking about how Mark Maguire misled me I. Understand that there is a lot of. Self interested reasoning going on Mark Maguire quite possibly believes that. Mark Maguire might actually be one hundred century. It is conceivable that he didn't get any home runs, but you know I. Don't like I just I'm not persuaded by it. For Public you're. Looking at a camera and telling me something that doesn't really pass the smell test something that I broadly react negatively to in my life, and so I think that's one of the reasons that it's been hard to really embrace the player. Maguire's own spin on on what happened. Yeah and even though I knew the broad strokes of the story, and I obviously knew the totals, and where they ended up and forgotten some of the specifics and the details as you said he remembered some things that you had forgotten like I forgot that Sosa took the lead in this race with sixty six on September twenty fifth I forgot that it was in doubt that late I forgot her never knew that Maguire wanted to take the last day of the season off because he was so exhausted, and then he hit two homers that day, so he could easily have ended up with. With sixty eight, and then he hit seventy in his last at bat didn't really know that wasn't aware of that. And this made me Kinda back into baseball reference and look up some stuff like I was I'm almost surprised. That won the MVP award I mean it's. It's purely because the cubs made the playoffs, the cardinals didn't I assume because Maguire had a better season I mean. He had a higher war, and he was way better offensively. That was like an all time. Great offensive season for Maguire where's Sosa season was great, but it was very much the homers whereas the ribs. Yeah that too I guess you know. I don't know whether that would be the case now. And and looking back at like the world leaders from that season and seeing that Barry Bonds had a higher wars than either of them. Before he was doing whatever he was doing. As far as we know, that was sort of striking to gets bonzes, not in the documentary I think well. There's one quick clip where he's going back to the fence on so summer. I think can there just isn't a whole lot of him. And so you can kind of understand like even now when we're retelling the story of that summer. He's not really a part of it. Even though he had a better season in a lot of ways and value wise than both of those guys did, and so you can see why he may have felt overlooked or or aggrieved about that which? Perhaps explains why he did what he did, but he was so good, and and that was the summer when he was walked with the bases loaded to intentionally also, so that was like his reputation at that time, even though he was not really in the spotlight. Yeah, Tim. Kunin wrote about the home. Run Chase about this documentary for ESPN and he actually noted another appearance of bonds which I'll I'll read Tim writes the most memorable moment in long-gone summary so subtle. It can't be accidental. It's when I think it was maybe a montage Maguire home runs, and in the middle of one of the Maguire home runs cuts to well threat, but as he's rounding the bases on this particular home run against this particular team. We get a glimpse of this particular brand of salvation. Salvation created by the summer of ninety eight. The camera shows Barry Bonds standing in the outfield. It lasts barely a second. This is the thin fast moustachioed Barry Bonds, the guy who was the most complete player in baseball for the entire decade of the nineties, and he's standing out there with his arms folded. The look on his face is both disgusted and satisfied. He's the detective who just. Just bore through the lies to solve a gruesome crime, and you can sort of see in that shot the foreshadowing of funds at least according to the public, telling of it the lore that he reacted to this home. Run Chase by saying. You know if that's how we're going to do it. I'm going to be the best at that game to the most extraordinary aspect of the summer. As the documentary tells it I think. Is that Sammy Sosa was he was trailing most of the time, and he was so non competitive with Mark Maguire. About that fact that it really is just A. He had a a a generousness to the race. That I don't think we normally expect. From our athletes, we almost expect our athletes to be sociopathic -Ly Competitive Self, interested non, generous and so site is really truly very generous and so much of what I remember about that race. was that the two of them were doing it together that? They were. They seem to be supporting each other and watching the documentary. You see that the energy for that narrative is mostly coming from Sosa, so says the one who's really is giving the gregarious answers when they're being interviewed together, who jogs in to the consternation of his teammates to congratulate? Mark Maguire and. Those that moment when he catches McGuire in the final week of the season and Maguire, like sort of snaps alert is like. Wait. He caught me. I can't lose this and he he has a. he does not have a sense of. Perspective that like we're collectively. We are together doing something historically. Mark Maguire is trying to get the all time home run record. That's what he's there for and Sosa is pushing him. Because you know Maguire doesn't want to lose to Sosa I, ASSUME SOSA also didn't want to lose McGuire and I mean he also says he wanted the record. He was trying to be the man, but he alone seems to have recognized that what they were doing collectively a shared thing that was. Bigger than it would be just one of them. We're doing it and that was going to lift both of them together. It wasn't zero sum. It wasn't only one person is going to be. Only one person is going to win the race, but it's not that there's only gonNA. Be One winner your hand. I think that's a part of the reason that he didn't feel I. Guess Maybe didn't exhibit the same sense of of. Being weighed down by the pressure because he and Maguire in the story that that he was living he and Maguire. We're having fun together and Bob and a lot of Dinger's and in the story that Maguire was telling. It was like he had to do this thing, and he was all alone and he you know he needed to be the champion. He was beset by pressure. Yeah and I wonder if that has to do with the trajectory that they took. Took and how they got there, because Maguire was the first round draft pick, and he was the all-time rookie home run leader, and then ninety six see what the majors and home runs in the ninety seven. He had fifty eight, and so there is a lot of pressure coming into it, and he was such a huge star, and he'd been an all-star over and over, and so said to that point in his career had been in an all star once. Once, he never hit more than forty home runs, and so no one was really expecting him to do this and Maguire even says in the documentary, said He. He just like basically didn't know who Sammy Sosa was before like July of that summer. which you know I think that so so maybe doesn't get enough credit for his improvements as a player because people look at his home, run totals, and they say okay. Twenty something thirty something you forty one and. and. Then all of a sudden, sixty, sixty, three, sixty, four, and people just look at him as a steroid Miss Mirage and I think he did really make some changes and make himself better and metro blood wrote an article about that for BP, recently where it looked kind of you know how Sosa became a more well rounded hitter, and improved his plate discipline, and started going the other way in that sort of thing, so I think he did really make. Improvements genuine improvements, but maybe because he wasn't starting from the point of everyone expecting him to make a run at this record from day one at one essay, he looked at it as well. Whatever I do is gravy, but you know no one was putting pressure on him to be the one to do this, so the fact that he got so close. Maybe he was just able to enjoy that whereas Maguire was kind of anointed as the person who was supposed to do it I also think that the physiques that was something like particularly Maguire's. Believable it really is. It's when I was a kid. There was an urban legend when I was a kid that Arnold Schwarzenegger had to use it to foot fork because he couldn't bring his. He couldn't bring his elbow in enough to get a normal for to his mouth and I'm assuming that that is not true. And eight year olds have weird ideas about how the world works, but Yeah Maguire would jog around the bases. It was like watching legos move. Yeah, it's it's just like stuffed into that uniform, and there are like the thing is like I think because of Maguire may be. We expect that all that's what steroids do, and so if you take steroids, you're going to look like a bodybuilder and most baseball players. Even the ones we know have taken steroids. Do not look like that so i. don't know if that's just accentuating what was already? Already his physique or the way he worked out or what he was taking or what, but it's really striking and I. think that's maybe part of why he is perceived as the face of this or why it's harder to get past it with him, because he just looked so cartoonish Lee huge and the giant Popeye forearms, and the broad back, and the just like the tight pants with his just like massive lower body, it's like the earth shaking as he moves around, and the funny thing is that he still looks pretty huge like. These days has slimmed down right and he's like you know. He does a ton of cardio and he's a serious bike rider and he's much slimmer than he was back then whereas Maguire in the interviews here, he still looks pretty. I get that, Click. His arms are still huge, so I don't know if that's just the way he is built or he's still working out pretty hard or what, but I do think that is part of the perception of it just the way he looked in. In a uniform was different from really anyone else Anyway. Glad this exists. I enjoyed it. I didn't really expect to enjoy it or at least I wasn't wanting this I wasn't thinking. You know what we need. A documentary about the ninety eight home run race. In fact I remember in twenty eight t and one of our editors at the ringer kind of sounded us out about doing an oral history of the ninety eight home run race, which, at an maybe other people ended up. Up doing and they're just was not allowed of enthusiasm and I personally. Wasn't that interested in doing it partly because I felt like well Maguire says that aren't GonNa talk to me for this, and that probably would have been true, but also just because I don't really WanNa. Dwell on the steroid stuff even more than we have dwelled on the stirred stuff, and it does color your perception of the whole things that you can't just celebrate it wholeheartedly anymore. You have to talk about the storage. Storage stuff and that topic tends to be sort of tiresome for me, so I wouldn't have wanted to make this documentary, but I was sort of surprised by how much enjoyed it even just seeing the footage feeling the atmosphere again like you know seeing Stuart Scott, do sportscenter and talk about this or even just like I don't want to make it sound like Aj's job was easy, but really if you had just showed me a montage of every mcgwire and Sosa Homerun from that year. I would have enjoyed that a lot, too. Just like seeing these gigantic blasts and their swings and everything I just would have enjoyed that footage so I did enjoy the trip back, and I think even though I object to the idea that this saved baseball and you know you. The attendance recovery's were much bigger in ninety, six, ninety, seven, Ninety, eight, there wasn't that big boost ninety nine it. It was basically flat, and then after that attendance actually dropped, so I don't really buy that narrative, but even so I think in that time it really was all consuming, and I think the documentary did a good job of showing that like whether it was you know espn breaking into show live batting practice, which is just in trouble now or it's you know the clip of Bob Lee comparing. Comparing it to the miracle on ice, or even that footage of the kids in a classroom and the teacher, saying hey, how many people are going to watch the maguire game tonight or mcgwire Sosa? When he was going for sixty two and every single hand went up and it's pretty hard to imagine anything in baseball provoking that reaction today, so even if the lasting impact wasn't as great as As some people make it out to the in the moment. It really was the dominant sports story and so much fun to follow and I don't know that baseball has had a story like that again and I. Don't know that it could in this sort of regional era where it's not often national news. I believe you would have done that. ORAL HISTORY IF JEFF tweedy had agreed to score. Okay? That's probably true all right, so go check out long gone summer if you missed it on the first airing and thanks again to a four coming on. That will do it for today. Thanks for listening. You can support effectively wild on Patriot by going to dot com slash effectively wild. The polling nurse have already signed up and put some small meant to help. 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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 198: Optimism Baseball Returns, Long Gone Summer

GSMC Baseball Podcast

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 198: Optimism Baseball Returns, Long Gone Summer

"The three. Golden State concepts baseball podcast. We cover everything majorly from spring trees. The World Series got your favorite club cover from. New York to Boston to La. This is the golden state media concepts. PODCAST. Hello and welcome in to another edition of the GMC baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network. I'm your host Kevin Mahalick and this is episode number one ninety eight of the baseball podcast here on Thursday June eighteenth I appreciate everybody listening in today episode number one ninety eight. WOW, already coming up on the bicentennial episode coming up on number two hundred here looking back I believe I've been here now for thirty to forty episodes to something like that here with the baseball podcasts, so if you've been with me my entire time here, I very much appreciate you listening out there, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you right off the top of the bad here to. To leave us a five star rating writer review if you're on spotify like the podcast us as well follow us on all the social media platforms GMC baseball podcast is on twitter facebook as well as the podcast network itself so before we jump into another great episode. We have for you guys here today. The first couple of segments we'll take some time diving into the latest. That's taking place in the negotiations between the players and the owners as of late Wednesday evening here time of recording. We recently had some updates today that we're going to go over then in segments, three and four. We're GONNA. Talk about long gone summer, the thirty for thirty ESPN documentary featuring Sammy Sosa. Mark mcgwire, nineteen ninety eight home, run, chase and homerun record. We're GONNA. Talk about that then. We're going to talk a little bit more about some seasons at some guys had with some steroid help. What was the top season with steroid help? What were some outliers? Things like that? It was kind of fascinating to look at some performances by players. The Year of taking steroids compared to the. The years not taking steroids in the differences were actually pretty staggering, so we'll get into that, and then we're going to wrap up today's episode. Getting back into the baseball reference straddle matic simulation. We haven't touched on that one in a couple of weeks. I WANNA. Give you guys in update out there on how everybody's doing, and then we're going to close it by talking K B O L and any other thoughts we have here surrounding the game of baseball, but jumping right in once again episode number one ninety eight. We are talking about the latest negotiations between the owners and the players and a lot has happened over even the past three days so I know I talked to you guys on Monday, but I wanna go back about a week or so to just run through the time line of what has been happening to where we got to today and it. Just it was so. So last Wednesday, the night of the major league baseball draft Manfred comes out and uses all of these big words like unequivocally. We're going to have major league baseball and one hundred percent. We're going to have major league baseball. Well Inbetween Wednesday in the weekend for recording. The players basically cut off. All negotiations said. It's not worth talking to you anymore. If you're not GonNa our offer, the full pro-rated salaries. That's it we're done. Rob Manfred tell us when and where to play, and then Manfred came out Sunday Monday right after I recorded the podcast, he talked to I believe it. Was Carl Ravitch on ESPN. ESPN late Sunday night, and then they were asked to follow up question. Hey, how are you feeling today? Based on having baseball? And he more or less came out and said that he was not confident. They were going to have a season. And as long as they are not talking, there is risk that there is not going to be a season, and literally from Wednesday to Sunday Manfred went from using words like unequivocally and one hundred percent, which by the way rob leaves zero opening to return or renege on your statement. One hundred percent is one hundred percent this out of a thousand here rob okay. Okay and then he comes out three days later and says that he is not confident. There's going to be a baseball season. Well, what happened in between that the player said Hey tell us when and where we saw on Monday afternoon. All players tweeting when and where anybody who's anybody might trout tweeted at Bryce Harper tweeted at Kris. Bryant tweeted it anybody who's not any good. Even tweeted like local phillies who are bottom tier roster? Players are tweeting. Let us know when and where because based on the march agreement, Manfred could come in and say hey, full probation. Here's the number of games. This is what. What we're going to do, but Manfred couldn't come out and do this on Sunday and Monday like all the players were yelling at him to because we talked about the time line if he were to come out and say Hey June, fifteenth, the deadline you guys gave me I say we play fifty games well ten days to report seven to eight weeks from their leaves, plenty of time to play more than fifty games and Manfred knows this, and he knows that the owners do not want to go above forty eight to fifty two games. So, what does he have to do ultimately since the players? Went, this style of negotiation since they pulled out, said you tell us what to do you tell us where to be. We're done talking to you. He now knows that he has to stall for an additional week or two in to get the time line to where he wants to be for the owners to still have positive reactions and positive outlooks on the agreement or the implementation. Implementation of the season that he could ultimately decide and on June fifteenth. It's too early to do this yet. So that's where he needs to come out and say I'm not confident. They need to keep talking. We need to continue to go back and forth because of it's up to me right now. The timeframe does not align for what my bosses want me to do because more. More or less, the commissioner is a puppet of the owners that that's really what we're seeing. Happen here, and if I'm offending somebody by saying Manfred of puppet, puppet or Manfred is listening to this and he's pissed off at me now. That's fine man because you really are you. You basically are the representative at the table for the thirty owners. You are expected to pursue what their? Their needs are, and this became even more prevalence or even more out in the open, because on Tuesday. This came out on Wednesday but on Tuesday. Manfred met with Tony Clark and the MLB. Players Association head behind closed doors by themselves. In Arizona, so rob reached out to Tony Clark basically said Hey, we need to keep talking in. This was for a couple of different reasons. Because again it wasn't late enough in time, or he could just come out and say hey, this is what we're doing here and two. If a deal gets made, he looks a heck of a lot better as commissioner of Major League Baseball, so he reached out to Tony Clark and he basically said here's a statement from Rob Manfred that he released today on Wednesday it says quote at my request. Tony Clark and I met for several hours. Hours yesterday in Phoenix. We left that meeting with a jointly developed framework that we agreed could form the basis of an agreement and subject to conversations with our respective constituents. I summarize that framework numerous times in the meeting and sent Tony a written summary today consistent with our conversations yesterday I'm encouraging the clubs to move forward and I. Trust Tony is doing the same so basically Manfred came out, said Yo Tony, me and you mono mono. Mono with got to sit down and we got a hash this out. Because the current projection that we are on the current avenue that we are moving towards is no baseball on twenty twenty or limited baseball with two pissed off parties in twenty twenty, and then it's it's a total war in twenty, twenty, one and twenty twenty two, because if they can't come to an agreement this year on anything that's just going to lead to much. Much larger collective bargaining arguments in agreements moving forward, so they were able to sit down on Tuesday and I wanted to pause there, but I figured I'd read the entire statement because this was the first time that the two parties were actually able to sit down in person together now, Phoenix not that was the smartest place to go based on what everything is happening? Corona virus wise throughout the country. The likes of Texas Phoenix Sarah more. floored up there seeing spikes in cases because they've opened here and ultimately the corona virus could still derail the twenty twenty major league baseball season, but as of right now that is not what is derailing the season, and it is the financials that they are going over so in the statement. You also hear that Manfred and Clark believe they came to the framework quote. Unquote was the word they used four in agreement moving forward, and basically these two came to a verbal agreement. They have to go back to their respective parties to try to get. Get this agreement passed, and this is ultimately where some of the hang ups are going to come. Because obviously, there's been reports already that. At least six of the owners are willing to sit out this year, and that makes me believe that the owners don't actually like Major League Baseball Owners of baseball teams actually don't even like the product that is out on the field, because if they gave a darn about the product that is out there or give a darn about the actual sport taking place, this agreement would have happened already. They would've eaten. And they would've played baseball, but because owners. Run the team as a business and this is essentially corporate. America, they're like now. Not I'd rather not play I. Don't care about the sport I. Don't Care About Baseball. This is just a money making machine for me that I'm claiming his unprofitable, somehow as well even though when you bought the team for two hundred million ten years ago now you could sell it for a billion. It's still somehow unprofitable moving forward for these guys, but so basically where we're at here is the two heads the head of the. And the head of the owners sat down in a room on Tuesday banged out basically the framework for an agreement, and hopefully they're going to go back to their respective parties and be able to get this passed, but. That's going to wrap it up for the first segment here of the GMC baseball podcasts, but after we pause for a word from one of our sponsors, and one of our sisters shows, we're GONNA come back in the second segment, and we're going to discuss some of the details on this proposal, and whether or not ultimately this is the agreement that is going to be agreed upon by both sides here are there still are so many last minute changes to be had here? But like I said we'll pause right now. When we come back on the other side, we're continuing our conversation around hopefully a soon to be agreement between the players and the owners stick around. This is your alternate stopper. Everything sports. The golden state media concepts sports podcast. Should I say more from the NFL MLB the NBA MMA. It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports by cast listen. then. Hello and thanks again for listening to the GSM see baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network, I'm your host. Kevin Mahalick, and this is episode number one ninety, eight of the baseball podcast I appreciate everybody listening today on Thursday June eighteenth. If you're listening to this Friday or Saturday or over the weekend, if you're trying to catch up on your podcast, welcome, I appreciate. You guys listen. That's the. The beauty of podcasts you can listen whenever if you fall behind for a week or two not a big deal, you can catch back up at your own leisure. Everything's still counts the same for us here. Within the podcast network, we just appreciate each and everyone of you guys subscribing and listening out there, so do me a favor, though in the first segment I asked you to follow us on social media. Ask you to share this podcast with one of your friends. Shoot to text out to them. I know you guys have baseball fans I? Myself Played Ball through college. I got a ton of guys saying. Hey, check out this podcast. I'm doing. It's pretty cool. We're not only talking about Philadelphia since that's my home market and I do a few shows talking about local Philadelphia Sports. We're covering all baseball. We're doing it national. We're covering the draft. Draft Minors International Ball all of the above. So if you know somebody out, there was a baseball fan, and you don't think they've heard of the GMC baseball podcast yet do me a favor shared on facebook or shoot them directly via tax. Say Hey, check this out. Give it a listen right a five star review. This guy's actually pretty good, but we're jumping right back into it here. The latest in negotiations from the MLB and the MLB. On what's going on moving forward? We talked about the back and forth. That's taken place over the past week one day where one hundred percent confident baseball's come back the next day. We're not confident. Baseball's coming back and just around and around and around. We go, but Tuesday again Tony Clark. Rob Manfred got together. Ironed out some details about a potential agreement, they have to go back to their respective sides to ultimately try to get it passed. But Manfred and Clark are pro agreement here. Apparently, so what this agreement look like well. It's sixty games full pro rated salaries, and you're probably going Oh wow, okay sixty games that's up from the forty eight or fifty that they were looking at but doing some of the math here total value of players, salaries and sixty games as one point one five billion. Billion Dollars for the owners which sounds like a lot, but it was this same amount more or less essentially. Yes, there's some Zeros, maybe a penny or two different, but it's essentially the same amount as seventy two games at an eighty three percent pro ration- and it gets back to the original conversation. I've been having with you. Guys for a couple of weeks now is one. The players are going to get their full pro rated pay, which then leaves the owners plane as minimal games. Games as possible because if you're going to pay me one point, five billion dollars as a player and I can get that over sixty games or seventy two games. I'm doing it over sixty games. If you're giving me ten hours to complete a contract job. If you're giving me ten hours to clean your carpet at home and I could do it in one hour, I could do it in three hours. I'm going to do it in one hour because I'm GonNa make the same amount of. Of Money, why would I put myself at risk for an extended amount of time beyond what I need to to make the same amount of money, so start with the least amount of games Gimme. The full preparation will continue to climb from there, so this proposal at Sixty Games is the most recent one from the owners. The most recent proposal from the players came in at eighty nine games now. A twenty nine game difference is still a very very large difference, and it's my understanding. Talking to sources within the industry, talking to basically players things like that, there is going to be continuing negotiation. They don't believe that this deal. Itself will be approved. There is very much optimism now that they are moving towards agreement, but if you're looking at sixty to eighty nine games. If you're the players, you now understand hey, the owners. They came in medicine at the full probation GONNA. Come all the way to eighty nine games in based on today's date. Seventy seven games is the most. We're going to be able to play, so give it another week before we figure out. Negotiations cross the T.'s dot. The is that means we're going to look at it potential of seventy games. Games that the players would wanNA play if the players get seventy full pro rated games, that's an ultimate win for the players, which means I think we're going to end up somewhere around sixty five games. You know if I if I really had to put a number on it I may say sixty seven just based on the amount of days everything like that, but this deal or this offer that has taken place here as of Wednesday night that could potentially move forward, basically hoping to get this approved in the next day or two by the end of this week June nineteenth, which then means everybody will be able to report to spring, training two point Oh by June twenty ninth. Ninth and then you have three weeks. I spring training, two point l., which means the season would start on July, nineteenth or twentieth whichever day again, however they figure it out but that is a huge key, because then it would be sixty games and seventy days and July nineteenth. That's about eight nine weeks till the end of the year, so it's pretty much one off day a week play in six days a week. No doubleheaders nothing like that no seven innings. None of this craziness that we talked about before that never actually had a chance to happen as naive as we were just due to the fact that the owners were never going to pay that money. They're never. Never GonNA pay somebody for seven innings. What ultimately they should get for nine, and then if you're doing double headers and play in fourteen innings, your getting paid for eighteen innings and only playing fourteen. It's just it's something that ultimately is not going to happen moving forward, so they're gonNA play sixty to sixty five possibly seventy games at full operation. If you want to say, the players CAN EEK out a couple of more because every game they get paid. Obviously is a victory for them so if they don't finally agree at sixty, but can get them to sixty, four, sixty seven. Whatever it is, they can still say they won a bit of that argument or negotiation back and forth. Also included in this proposal is expanded postseason for twenty, twenty and twenty twenty one. which is a huge key to this agreement and a huge key to help Major League baseball moving forward? Honestly I think it's the biggest key that made rob Manfred reach out to Tony Clark, because if rob Manfred had to come out and mandate season and basically say hey, here's the deal. The playoffs would have remained where they are at five teams a conference. Conference one wildcard game best to one then you go into the best of four and the easiest way to make revenue right now for any sport out, there is postseason. Play is the NBA expanding the postseason potentially the NHL expanded the postseason. Baseball is expanding the postseason football added another team to the postseason. Even pre corona virus pandemic because leagues make the most. Most amount of money in the playoffs due to the most amount of is on the game, the streaming rights the broadcasting rights, which we touched on very very briefly in Monday's episode, but Major League Baseball signed what is deemed to be at least a billion dollar contract with Turner Broadcasting or TBS TNT, all of that family of networks to broadcast the postseason and And if you're basically in the middle of negotiation where you're telling payers players, we don't have any money to pay you right now. And then it's leaked on the side in the background that you just signed a deal for a billion dollars over the course of the next I don't know five to ten years I. Forget off the top of my head here. But yeah, you have money and you have money. Coming in in the future isn't a one and done type of deal. This is continued money year over year over year. And if you add the amount of teams to that, you're adding more games to the playoffs. You're adding more stuff to the broadcasting contract. More teams make the playoffs nationally. Therefore, more cities are involved in baseball in the month of August and September more cities, their economies are doing well it just it helps all of America and not just Major League baseball to. To, expand the postseason now going all the way to eight teams little aggressive in my opinion, honestly basketball on NHL I think their playoffs can be a little bit too long. I really do I. Mean You look at the playoffs? You Blink and you come back and it's like two months later, and it's still the playoffs. It's like wait. We don't have a winner yet. This thing started what April. It's now the middle of June. We haven't figured out who the best team is yet. What are we waiting for so honestly I. I don't see that as being a problem with baseball to basketball, they take like two days off in between every game, which drives me absolutely insane hockey standard. They're perfect. One day off. Play one day off. That's cool baseball. You play every day though this is still going to be done in the month of October, it's going to be. We're GONNA have eighteen, so you're going to have four games in each conference, which means we could potentially have eight playoff games in one day, which means you're absolutely going to have overlapping playoff? Playoff Games! That's amazing. I'm just thinking right now. We have zero sports to watch. And there could be day and as little as two to three months where I could have eight playoff baseball games that day. What are they gonNA play it to two at noon to at four hundred eight to twelve. They don't even have the day. They're going to be three at a time going on. There's going to be three at one three and four three. It's just it's going to be awesome and fascinating to watch and I'm really happy. That, this is one of the things coming out of this agreement. As well as the Universal D. H.. There's GonNa, be expanded postseason and the Universal D. H., which would be for twenty, twenty, one and twenty twenty, and then there is growing. I guess energy or optimism that the D. H. will be fully implemented in the new collective bargaining agreement that runs up after twenty twenty one and is implemented for the twenty twenty two. Two season so as a national league fan again being a Phillies Fan, I grew up in the National League style of baseball I very much understand how it makes it a much more simpler game to manage or to coach. That's one thing managers in the national. League can actually make a difference because you have double switches late in games you have to. To bring in and move the pitcher around the batting order be on where you're at and the pitcher hitting and do I pinch hit form here. Do I let them keep going? Because he's cruising? Rolling up one, we could break it open, but then if we go to a bullpen guy, he gives up some runs. There's very much a lot more going. Going on nationally baseball than American League Baseball, but I also understand when the pitcher comes up to hit three times in the National League. It's an easy out, and I'm basically hitting fast forward on live TV going come on, let's strike this guy out. Let's get out of here. Let's move on and I'd much rather watch Edgar. Martinez or David Ortiz or Or Aaron Judge or Giancarlo Stanton I would love to see. Those guys hit three times instead of watching Nick Pa- Vada for the PHILLIES. Try to bunt or swing a bat so mixed reviews when it comes to the designated Hitter, leaving the National League Baseball scene. So, but that is what it is. Playoffs expansion sixty games ultimately. I think we'RE GONNA FIND Find ourselves landing right around that sixty five mark I'll say sixty four just to just throw a number out there hopefully by this weekend, so we'll see it's Wednesday night again here. They're hoping to get the agreement. I think the players will come back with one more counterproposal that the owners probably won't agree with because they're going to want to be there. There opposed a proposal that is agreed to so players will counter. Owners countered that and then the players will agree and Sunday night. We'll be having jubilation because I'll be able to talk to you guys about when their report in an actual twenty twenty season at least Let's keep our fingers crossed, but that are wrapping up here for segment number two. Two of the GS. MCC baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network. We're going to pause right now for a word from one of our sponsors and one of sister shows, but when we come back, we're talking about long gone summer the thirty for thirty documentary on ESPN about so soon maguire hanging around. You're not GonNa want to miss it. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is. Nothing less than podcast bliss with endless. PODCAST covered? From News. 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Continuing to grow the PODCAST and continuing to help the good stuff, we're doing here at GSM see, but right now this third segment we're gonNA jump into a reaction about long gone summer, which was the thirty for thirty documentary done by ESPN on the nineteen ninety eight home run chase between Sammy Sosa and mark mcgwire and my first thought was just. How Electric was the year of Nineteen Ninety eight in the city of Chicago. Are you kidding me unbelievable? This was the same year and we just watched the last dance documentary about Michael. Jordan the nineteen ninety eight bulls. Time the third three peat? They win it. They beat the jazz again. Michael Scottie Kerr fill everybody involved in this is happening again in nineteen, Ninety Eight, so the play offs would have been the spring or the first two or three months of the baseball season. Because if you look at it, the NBA finals typically are the first week in June I did my research, and this was true even back in the. The Year of Nineteen Ninety Eight, so you have the Bulls going into the month of June, winning the NBA title for the Third Straight Year Michael Jordan reigning supreme for the third straight year, common office space jam in Ninety Seven, ninety, six, whatever it was winning more titles. Well, Jordan wins his six. The first week of June will June nineteen ninety eight was also the month that's. That's Sammy Sosa hit twenty home runs in a calendar year or calendar month. It's the most home runs in any calendar month. We talked about that a couple of episodes when we did our home. Run Deep Dot. Well imagine that imagine living in Chicago in one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety eight in the month of June. We're in June seventeenth right now, so just take it back twelve. Twelve years with me. We're on the seventeenth. Jordan would have just one. They closed it out on the twelfth thirteenth or something like that. It was a little bit later in June for them, but then you're going okay. We just one that we just did our parade. Let me see how the cubbies are doing. WHOA Sammy Sosas come from nowhere. He's at twenty home runs this month. month. He's gone from fifteen to thirty five in thirty calendar days. He hit his first home. Run on. June first is last home run on June thirtieth for twenty further month I mean. Can you even blink as a baseball fan in the city of Chicago that's unbelievable from the United Center winning the title raising a banner Mj All hail, and then you walk across the street to Wrigley. Wrigley Sosa decides to become King of the north side hit twenty in a year. He's GonNa Chase Roger. Marris so let's go from winning the NBA title. Right into a home run chase right into the cubbies making the playoffs that year like they told us at the end of the documentary, just unbelievable to think about living in Chicago as an adult in ninety, eight would have been. been a fascinating summer in one of the best of your life for share, because my own personal experience from nineteen ninety eight is. I was nine years old I'm an eighty nine kid, right? You know I'm thirty one years old, so I was living outside of Dallas Texas at the time. We were in the Southlake Carroll School district. You High School football. Fans out there know that. That school district for produce multiple NFL guys. If you're a football fan, you've heard of that one, but live down there. Following baseball playing on a travel team going all across the country, just eat and sleep and breathing as a ten year old nine year old that summer. My memory however is not so much the day in day out of the chase of the home runs of. Ken Griffey Junior. Even I don't even remember junior being involved that summer at all. Because as you get away, it's obviously so maguire seventy sixty six. You remember that, but you forget. Griffey hung around and was one back at the All star. Break of Maguire just. got a little bit cold in the second half there and ultimately didn't finish above sixty, but just fascinating to think that junior was involved in this as well because my memory of what happened was. Reading the newspaper getting up every day I used to come down, eat cereal, or whatever was before school, and I would read the sports section for five minutes while I was eating breakfast until I had to go back upstairs to get changed and every morning during the summer. You read the headlines You open it up you all the box scores of major league baseball because again. This is ninety eight. This free cell phones. This is early early, Internet. This is really pre I'm GONNA. Just read the box scores on ESPN DOT COM. There was no game casts no nothing like that, so you. You would get up and you go okay. Did these guys homer last night? I wasn't able to stay awake till the evening sportscenter. The cubbies played a lot of day games with Sosa then Maguire at night, typically being in prime time so I could pass out after maybe his first at bat at nine ten, o'clock again a ten year old, having to go to school the next day, so I used to just love getting up looking at the box scores, and then down at the bottom they had to huge boxes of just a home run tracker, and it would be thirty to thirty. Forty, thirty, eight, forty, one, thirty, nine, forty, one, forty one, and you would just every morning. It seemed like it clicked at least one or two or even Maguire, and how he finished the season I. Don't remember that I. don't remember Sosa Tyne at sixty six, going into the last weekend of the year, and then mcgwire hit and five home runs in three games. Are you kidding me? Sosa goes up sixty six to sixty five literally for a half hour of real lifetime. We come to find out. It was almost like forty five minutes later. Big Mac went yard and tied Sammy at sixty six, and then the next day. Big Mac hits to Sixty, seven, sixty eight. Eight the last day of the year tone of the Russa says he doesn't WANNA play throws him out. It's two more and gets to that seventy mark, so I don't remember that tail end of that I just remember in fifty, eight, Fifty, eight, sixty, fifty, eight, sixty, two, sixty, and being like holy cow there, actually both going to break this record, and then which one of them is going to win, and it was just awesome to follow obviously naive. A nine ten year old kid I watched the highlights last night, is just I opening as a thirty one year old? Just looking at the human aspect of what's going on Mark Maguire was humongous. Okay, he he was. How do you not know? How do you not assume he's on steroids? You think that Guy's going to the gym and pumping iron every morning like now, Giancarlo Stanton and Aaron judge our big fit human beings, Mark Maguire was a statue. He was Herculean. Almost is where most of these guys in the late nineties, so to just kind of follow that see that whole ordeal. It was very interesting. To to kind of follow the Andrea are Andro. In his locker about how that was legal, and he almost did that on purpose, because people were starting to murmur, so he said Hey I'll just put the legal stuff. Right up and say dude. Yeah, it's right there I'm not. I'm going to GNC and buying it. You can go to GNC and bite. It's all fine. It's all free. It's all it's all good mlb not testing for it. What's the deal here? So it was just of fascinating. I really wish the documentary would've dove into that a little bit more I understand how they probably wouldn't have gotten the content they wanted. It certainly seemed like Sammy. Sosa wasn't willing to talk about it whatsoever, even when they tried to bring it up Sammy. Just kinda spoke without speaking. You know he was like one hundred six people in the Mitchell report and they're coming at me. Shoulder Shrug and the guy was like okay. What does that mean same as you tell me shoulder? Shrug, and it's like you're not saying anything like this is what we're talking about. You just go mute and Kinda like ask a question to me after you answer a question with a question. That's not how this works, man and Maguire was a little bit more open a little bit more honest to what was going on. But really I mean. The documentary was just kind of a highlight. Show really was just a youtube clip of going. Hey, here's the date. Here's where we're at. Here's how they were feeling at the time, not exactly getting into. You know what was happening behind the scenes or in the clubhouse or behind closed doors they touched on it at the end, and then they didn't touch on mcgwire Sosa until they buried berry box like burried Barry Bonds I, say buried because I'm from, Philadelphia so burried buried. Out there they still he beat it. Yeah, but then he cheated. Oh, by the way they cheated to good, so it was just it was a fascinating documentary. It wasn't one of their better wants. I mean it was nowhere near the level of the last dance with Michael, Jordan but of course because they didn't have behind the scenes stuff they were trying to use. It was just kind of a storytelling aspect. Sammy Sosa and electric, human, being very very entertaining, very happy very honest seems to be laughing, enjoying himself and mark a little bit more closed off. Kind of more of a quiet individual, but it was fun to listen them. Talk about what's going on. Watching the highlights again. It's just man. These guys did not hit wall scrapers. These guys were four fifty four seventy five foot. Bob's all the time on the rig and. Yeah? The steroids definitely helped out with that, but that's going to wrap it up here for the third segment of the. Baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network. What we're going to do when we come back here for segment number four. We're GONNA. Look at some of the top seasons of individual players who were rumored or confirmed to be on steroids for that season. There are some pretty crazy outliers going on out there that we're going to talk about so hang on with US everybody once again. This is Kevin, Mahalick the. Baseball podcast we'll be right back. Wants to know the latest in soccer then listen to the golden state media concepts. Soccer podcast mls the world. The Premier League we've got you covered the latest update the hottest matches news on the League's top players. The state media concept soccer podcasts. Listen. Welcome back and thanks for listening to the GMC baseball podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Kevin Mahalick and this is episode number one ninety eight of the baseball podcast. We're cruising on through another fantastic episode. Here we've touched on the latest negotiations between the players and the owners, and just this past segment. We talked about long-on summer, the documentary about nine, hundred, ninety eight in the home run chase between mark, mcgwire and Sammy Sosa, but that got me thinking a little bit okay. Obviously, we knew these guys reduced. We found out two years later I suppose that they were juiced during this time or or kind of this window of the late ninety S in major. Major, League Baseball and it got me thinking okay. What are some of the most outrageous outlier seasons four individuals where I it just looks like okay something fishy was going on that year, and at the top of the list, some of the guys who are known for steroids. They don't exactly have that one off season, but just a two or three kind of window of ultimate just domination, starting out with the two guys. We talked about Sosa and mcgwire, looking at Sosa and specifically the run he had between. Let's see ninety eight and oh one okay, so and ninety seven, or before ninety seven, his high and home runs, was forty, thirty, six, forty, thirty, six, well, ninety eight, he goes. Goes Up. It's sixty six hundred fifty eight. RB is okay, but what? I don't remember I don't think a lot of people remember. Is Sami came back that next season and hit sixty three home runs again hitting two eighty, eight three, oh eight the year before it to eighty eight, so beat Roger Marris's record again with sixty three home runs, and then in two thousand had fifty, and then in two thousand and one had sixty four I. don't remember Sosa haven't sixty four home runs, Sammy. Sosa had three seasons over sixty home runs I looked at it. It's like five people ever so sad. Three Maguire had to I was bonds had one. Ruth had one mayors had one, and it's like Sosa had three of these and a five year spanned sixty, six, sixty, three, fifty, sixty, four, forty nine. Are you kidding me? I can't even do that math. Quick enough to know how many home runs that is out of his total of six hundred nine came in four years, so really man just the late ninety Sammy was like. Let's go. Let's earn sixty four again and no one almost top, and that of sixty six just fascinating to kind of dive into. If you guys have time out there and you're kind of. Of like me, don't have really anything better to do. Just surfing around baseball reference just dive on people's pages. Check out their history. Look at some years holy Gosh Man, just look at that so crossing over into Mark Maguire here as well very similar story I late Ninety S. let's see ninety seven. They talked about how he had fifty eight total hit, fifty, two and ninety six, then fifty, eight seventy, and he followed it up with sixty five, so they went seventy and sixty six, and then the following year I think it was sixty, five and sixty three for. For these two guys so ninety nine, the summer of ninety nine people must have been following just as much as the year before, but Maguire's is a little bit more interesting because those are two outliers so i. just hit my mic there I. Apologize For you guys here in that, but talking with my hands. It's the Italian in me coming out here. Self Maguire, though really only two huge years offensively I mean. He hit fifty two and our three years. Okay, so we had fifty to fifty, eight, seventy and sixty five four years across the board once again just. Just like Sosa four years, that's it and the rest of them thirty to thirty nine forty to nine, just really nothing else jumping off the page so clearly the late nineties where we're the time to do it in the time to move in Major League Baseball, but continuing with main names. Everybody knows out there. Barry bonds looking at some of his numbers. If you look at his home, run numbers. His career high was forty six up until he hit seventy three. Yes, he got close right around. Everybody hit forty, nine, seventy, three, forty, six, forty, five, and forty five. Forty, six, seventy three, and it's seven home runs. That's almost. That doesn't make sense. Forty nine to seventy, three, three, eight, three seventy. Wow, he hit three seventy. What Year Wow, he hit three seventy in two, thousand and two, unbelievable, three, forty, one, three, sixty, two, three, twenty, eight shoot, man, so berries, five years, or two thousand, not so much late nineties. Eight thirty seven when they were doing all that stuff, but then seventy, three, forty, six, forty, five and forty five. Goodness gracious for Mr Barry Bonds, but yeah, going from forty five to seventy three as a little something something going on you know in the clubhouse or the dugout. They're so. It's just goodness gracious, and there's more more of that to come. We're going to close with some good stuff here. But a Rod. One that's Kinda known he. He's had a couple of jumps. I mean two thousand and six thirty five home runs two thousand and eight thirty five home runs well. What did he have seven fifty four, somehow sandwiched in the middle there four thirty six. Oh, six, thirty five sandwiched in the Middle Forty Eight, then in two thousand and forty one and obviously knows his time with Texas. We talked about how he was doing but fifty to fifty seven forty seven a day. Alex sets just we know man we, we know. We know that's the reason why you were enjoying yourself. And really it gets back to the conversation of how much do steroids actually do for an individual and if? If. You're looking at the lakes and mcgwire Sosa bonds a Rod. We touched on it their four year windows, fifty, fifty, fifty, fifty, sixty, sixty, whatever it is, these next. Individuals decided that I'm only going to do it for one summer. I'm just GonNa see what happens. We're GONNA. Give it a year, or we're going to try to do a big, and then we're going to disappear into the sunset. Well, that's exactly what happened and I want to start out with Ken Cam Nettie. Now it's never been one hundred percent proven that Ken was on the juice, or Ken was doing any of that type of stuff moving forward, but just looking at Ken and specifically his nineteen ninety-six season. The rest of his career, his High Twenty Six home runs, twenty, six, twenty, nine, thirteen, thirteen, eighteen, well in ninety six, when he won the MVP, so steroids may have won him the MVP ninety six, but he hit forty home runs one hundred thirty thirty. Rb is hit three twenty six, so he went from twenty five for eighteen to twenty home runs to forty and hidden three twenty six in one year off. Where do you go back down? Twenty six ninety to ninety? It's just a fascinating thirty thirty two percent jump in average fourteen and homers and forty. RBI's potentially directly correlated to Hgh or or steroid use at that time. Next we got Brady Anderson the same summer nineteen, ninety, six, this one amazing Okay Brady, Anderson's career, high homerun outside of Nineteen Ninety, six, twenty, four, his average, like seventeen, eighteen, eighteen, nineteen, thirteen twelve, and then in nineteen ninety-six hit fifty home runs, and one hundred and ten rb is hitting to ninety seven just exploded. That's more than double his next year, so literally he went from hidden twenty, one, Thirteen, twelve and sixteen home runs the last four years to somehow just showing up on spring and pop and fifty balls out of the Ballpark it just it doesn't make sense I mean. I mean clearly brady. What did you think we we were going to think? Is like dude. How do you not know what's going on here? So another one like this Luiz? Gonzalez two thousand one Arizona. diamondbacks. Let's Look Luiz home runs outside of two thousand, and won career-high Thirty one in two, thousand, followed by twenty, eight and two, thousand and two so high of essentially thirty, averaged twenty, three, seventeen, twenty, four, fifteen, fifteen, well in two thousand and one Luis Gonzales, hit fifty seven home runs, and had one hundred and forty. Two RB is hitting three twenty five now. Louise could always hit you always to eighty three eleven to seventy. He was always there, but fifty seven home runs up. Up from a career high of thirty one again you hit fifty seven home runs combined in nineteen, ninety, nine and two thousand Oh, and by the way you paid a four hundred sixty two games in two thousand, he came back in two thousand and one. Your team won the world series ultimately in a fantastic series, seven games against the Yankees, but fifty seven and one forty, two, clearly one of the reasons why they won that year, and just man just fascinated. That's one of my favorites. Whenever somebody says steroids or a year whatever I was, go gonzales so one fifty seven. The Guy was a string bean. Could he possibly fifty seven, being the size that he is the only pitcher on the list. That I have here. Eric Ganja from two to four pretty much known. That's that's when things happen for him. Because he came up as a starter for the for the dodgers five one five. And a four seven five era in two thousand and two thousand one, those are full years, those one hundred innings plus. So, then he decides to reinvent himself in the bullpen quote, unquote reinvent yourself two thousand and two one nine seven era, an eighty two innings, two, thousand and three one to. Era In fifty five saves at eighty two innings, and in two thousand four to one ninety Ra in eighty two innings, so he had a streak there of what was at eighty, five straight saves Interro fifty-five one year. Just like what dude you go from a struggling starting pitcher, who's not gonna be able to make the big leagues to winning a Cy Young and finishing sixth in the MVP voting as closer fifty five innings, a one to fifty five saves in eighty two innings a one. Yeah yeah, clearly ab something going on there and your back pocket. Mr Gonyea but I'm surprised that more pitchers are on the list again. Everybody thinks steroids think hitters, deep ball power home runs, but I think pitching. fastballs I think recovery I think relievers throwing every day I think. GONYEA is a perfect example about Al. pitchers could have been leveraging this stuff back in the nineties, but I am not by any means advocating for steroid use in baseball. Obviously, everybody knows it's crazy, legal now crazy amounts of testing, but just a fascinating era in the late nineties early two thousands with no testing to you see guys who hit thirty home runs tops come out and just pop fifty seven out of nowhere and just assume that the best shape of my life and we're seeing the ball well now. That's not how it works, so we're. We're onto you. Oh shucks! That'll wrap it up for the four segment. Here of the GMC baseball podcast brought to you by the. PODCAST network we're going to pause right now for word from one of our sponsors and one of our sister shows, but when we come back, we're diving into baseball. Reference Straddle Matic. We're going to get an update on the simulation. See what's going on, so stick with us. Everybody, we'll be right back. Are you looking to get your college? 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What's going on so jumping back into the standing side of things? We're going to start team oriented then we'll get over to the individual side of things but. The baseball reference simulation starting in the American league. They have the new. York Yankees eight and a half games up on the race. Who are a game under five hundred so the alias? Is the only team above five hundred I would be very very surprised if the race were under five hundred Boston, Toronto Baltimore, not so much, but Tampa would be an extreme disappointment at thirty, seven and thirty eight, going over to the AL central, the Cleveland Indians at the top of the show trailed by the Minnesota twins who were seven games back, but forty-one and thirty four the Chicago. CHICAGO WHITE SOX remain over five hundred is they try to figure things out potentially getting that wildcard conversation, and the royals and tigers, and the bottom here in the Al West the Seattle Mariners Somehow still figuring it out in the middle of June. They have yet to hit that wall yet, but they are currently being pursued by pretty much everyone in the division. This is fantastic division here. The Mariners, forty, four and thirty, one Oakland, forty, four and thirty, one the angels, forty, two in thirty, one in Houston forty, one and thirty two, so that leaves the Texas Rangers Twenty One games back at twenty, three and fifty two just wow, goodness, gracious, so let's see they would have the Yankees the Indians and the mariners, and then the wildcard. would be the athletics, and the angels sat would be a fascinating American league in baseball reference now in straddle matic in the American, league, let's see who they have dancing here. They have Tampa Bay looniness division over New York Right Now New York only two games over five hundred, so reference Has New York, very good Tampa at five hundred straddle matic his vice. Vice versa, but those are the only two teams in the east that either of them see having a potential opportunity Cleveland winning the central, and this one as well. Minnesota and second place still in pretty good shape, Chicago a little bit further back here, but then into the Al West they like. The Houston Astros was strat. O Matic being trailed by Oakland then. Then the La Angels, so the playoffs on this side of things would be Tampa Bay Cleveland, and Houston in the wildcards would be. It looks like Minnesota and Oakland so that would be a strong postseason from strat o Matic on the National League side I can't argue with that New York's a game and a half out of the wild card then Kansas City. City, Toronto Chicago all those guys getting a three to five games back on that side of things, but transitioning over now to the National League side. The least in baseball reference has the Atlanta Braves half game up on the nationals with the Philadelphia. Phillies only four games out. They started slow in this simulation, but they're now officially five hundred four games out. Flirting with that wildcard here in the NFL right where the phillies seem to want to be, but the central the Saint Louis Cardinals eight games up on the Brewers, the brewers, the only other team in that division over five hundred. They got my reds at thirty, four and forty as the potential surprise in the National League, but then the NFL west, the best team in the entire league, and it's not even close. The La Dodgers, fifty six and eighteen next best team record looks to be. Saint Louis at forty, seven and twenty six, but. The dodgers and the Colorado Rockies at forty and thirty three fifteen games back, but in the wild cards right now you'd have the braves, cardinals, dodgers, and then rockies and nationals in the wildcard for baseball reference going over to straddle matic in the National League here. Let's see the police. They have Washington at the top Atlanta, three and a half out the phillies third place four games under five hundred in this one so Washington, really out in front there daylight the cardinals as well. Well however the Chicago cubs, only half a game back, so they got the cubs and cardinals, fighting it out coming down the stretch, and then the dodgers being chased by the Padres, but still seven and a half games up, even though the padres are having a good summer that leaves the NL wildcards or the NFL postseason Washington Saint Louis in l. a., and then the wildcards San Diego in Atlanta with the cubs, a game out being trailed by Milwaukee Arizona and Colorado after. After that, so a lot of baseball left to be played here, obviously in the month of June July August September left almost two to three months, but you start to see here. Some trends you start to see who could potentially make a run. WHO's hanging around? Who has fallen off and it's? It's curious just to see a Yankees raised in the East Indians, twin socks and the central athletics angels. Astros braves nationals phillies cardinals, brewers, cubs, dodgers, rockies said there's a lot of common. Common names in both of these simulations at about potential postseason teams moving forward, but jumping into some individual performances here, let's see from the offensive side of things. The top war for position players in baseball reference Juan Soto followed by Mike Trout Cody bellinger the top batting average that one's going to Michael Brantley hitting three, seventy, one in Houston Ozzy Albee's three, sixty, six, one Soto, three, sixty, one and Daniel Murphy at three fifty two. Those are the only individuals over three fifty. Let's look at it here? Home Runs Pete Alonzo Twenty eight. He's four on cody bellinger for the League, League Mike Trout Torres with twenty-three RBI's Sir your now still at the top seventy six, although Juan Soto's one behind it, seventy five, so Alvarez off to that huge start early on I, kept commenting on it based on last year's pace, just fascinating to see but Soto closing the gap with seventy five, and then next is fifty nine, so those two guys, clearly ahead of everybody else would clearly win their respective crowns in the national and American Leagues. Stolen basis we're looking at Malik Smith with thirty seven in Seattle behind him. Byron Buxton with twenty, two in Minnesota Smith. Who Fifteen a lead there? Man That's a lot for stolen bases, so if you want to watch him speed checkout Smith. They're on the west coast. Offensively for Strat Matic Charlie. BLACKMON hidden for three forty seven is the top number I think it was three seventy something with baseball reference so layer three, thirty, eight, Edmund, three, thirty, five, Harare's three thirty five, so not as much offense on the strat o matic simulation that's for sure looking at home runs Trevor Story with twenty eight, so layer with twenty Alonzo at twenty two. Two so layer with seventy seven rb is so he leads the way with twenty seven and seventy seven story has twenty eight and sixty two, and then you get into the lights of crews and lend door at fifty, six and fifty five, moving forward so stolen bases. They got Christian Yelich with twenty four men. Nobody here from Seattle. No Smith on this side of things. Villar twenty three, so interesting to see missing the name got a League leader for baseball reference, and not even on the list here for Strat O. Matic but transitioning over to the mound, lastly here, looking at some individuals e, R. Leaders Have Walker Bueller one, nine six, Clayton Kershaw to one four. Lucas G Lido. Two three, one and Caleb Smith two three three. kind of anti ranger swore s two three five. Wow Ranger swears isn't even going to be in the rotation, and they got him at the number five era and all of baseball. Wow, lefty for the fills throws like ninety. They got fifth in the League in Era Ahead of the likes of Wilson. Flaherty, Sherzer price like let's do I. Don't know I'm not buying that one. I'd have to dive in to the team side of things to see what's going on. The Save. Let's see Giovanni Gaydos Swift Twenty, two and twenty one saint Louis Kenley Jansen with out in La then Jairo de as with nineteen in Colorado and strikeouts. Max Scherzer leads the way with one forty, nine, being chased by Garrett Cole at one forty, according to baseball reference so strat o matic here, looking at some pitching statistics. They got Blake Snell with the Best Dra in the. The League one six six very much in front of Clayton Kershaw at two point two five, but both reference straddle matic. Clayton Kershaw can still spin it and still play I myself. I'm starting to get worried about the amount of bullets being thrown there, and if he's potentially starting to slow down, but they liked that breaking ball, and they like those stats here with the simulation so. Let's see number of Saves Janssen with twenty three Gates with twenty-three Hater with twenty two. Haters name that we didn't see on the baseball reference side so that's exciting moving forward, but. Let's see if we can find strike outs here. Real quick on the pitching side of things are a little bit more difficult to find on the straddle matic side of things as per nine. Let's see here. Garrett Cole Blake. SNELL, lead the way they're so. Let's see if I could find total strikeouts there is Blake Snell one thirty six, Garrett Cole One. Thirty, two Jacob degrom, one, thirty, two, your top three from an individual performance perspective, but that wrap it up here for the fifth segment of the GSM see baseball podcast brought to you by the. PODCAST network. We don't yet have real baseball to talk about here. As of June eighteenth so I, continue to fill you guys in with the simulations. Well. We're GONNA. Continue on this path here. When we come back in the sixth and final segment of the baseball podcast, we're going to talk a little bit more about the K. B o the. Kinda give you guys update. See if you've been following along out there, I know I have I've been watching Korean baseball pretty much every morning on ESPN because I'm a baseball guy, and that's what I do so I'm your host gave them all like. This is a GMC baseball podcast. Hang with us. Everybody will be right back. Are you looking for the very best nfl and college football podcast then check out the GSM. 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Though the weather's creeping up, there were flirting with the ninety s still in the Eighties Still Kinda Nice around this way, but we'll get there eventually so wherever you're at out there in the country. Hopefully you're continuing to stay safe continuing to stay out of harm's way, we have the corona virus that we're continuing to deal with as a nation here, we. We WanNA think that it just up and left, and it's gone now, but it is still out there. It is still causing havoc if you're following the news if you're listening from the state of Arizona the State of Texas the State of Florida, please stay safe things continue to increase I've seen record highs for daily cases, and some of those states, which is obviously not what you want to see in the month of June after we thought we got through the worst of it in the month of. March April may in some spots, so continue to try to be socially distant out there continued to try to maintain safe space from everybody, and we'll hopefully get through this sooner than later here, but wrap up today's episode I know we like to have some fun here in the six segment, but today's episode I figured I'd give you guys an update on the K B o, the seeped touch on everything. That's going on out there every morning at five, thirty, five, forty, five, six, o'clock, whenever you're waking up, that's east coast time so if you're out on the west coast before you go to bed at about two thirty in the morning. There is K. B O on espn six days a week. They're broadcasting the games overseas. I myself I've been watching reruns during the day off. Forget about it. Get up! It'll be like nine. o'clock in the game will be over and I'll be like Oh. I WANNA. See who won this morning. Well, ESPN plays it on demand for you. You can pretty much rewind it. It back and check it out. So for those of you haven't been following along others. A few teams distancing themselves in the KB at the top of the list. We have the NC diagnose there at twenty six and eleven at the top of the list. Some people are talking about how they could potentially be the top K B O team. Ever they're really. They're really just porn on everywhere else. It's just kinda fascinating to see what's going on with the daigneault's. Next up. You've got the LG twins. Let's see their twenty four and thirteen, so they've turned it on lately. The DYNO's have lost four of five. And the twins have won four of five, so they're. They've closed the gap there at the top. But a little bit of a gap between then the Dusan bears who have lost four or five, the key whom heroes at twenty, one and seventeen. They're tied with the KIA. Tigers, it looks like they will definitely make the playoffs here moving forward, and then the bottom side, the low tae giants Samsung Lions right at five hundred with the KT whiz, the Cave reruns, and the Hanwha Eagles bringing up the rear. Nine and twenty nine, really struggling at the bottom of the list there, but if you see the NC, Dino's are going to be on television. You may want to check them out. There are a lot of fun to watch and the reason that they're at the top of the list is because they're getting some great individual contributions. They got the top hitter. In the League King. Jinsong is hitting four thirty nine this year. A really impressive start forty-seven hits eight walks only thirteen strikeouts in one hundred and seven at bats. Behind him got Jose Miguel Fernandez one of the international players for the Dusan bears hitting three ninety sixty hits at one hundred and fifty four at-bats, Li, Jiang, who for the key womb hero, sitting three seventy nine. Let's see male Rojo's junior, another foreign guy for the KT whiz three seventy six Roberto Ramos hidden three, seventy, five, and then Leeming G. for the NC Dino Sit. Sit In three seventy one so the dino, two of the top six hitters in the league, one of them hitting four, thirty, nine, one of them hitting three seventy one. That's pretty big reason why they're at the top of the there offensively, but looking at the top guys. Homerun Wise Roberto Ramos with thirteen of them for the twins throw Haas junior with twelve for the WHIZ. Whiz Nas Sung Bum let's see for the diagnose. He has eleven Preston Tucker as ten for the Tigers and Aaron all tear has nine for the Dino, so the dino to the top five home run hitters in the lake to the top five in average to the top five and home runs. Let's see and they have two of the top four in three of the top. Top Five and RBI's Preston Tucker leads the league with thirty second for the Tigers Row Haas junior again for the whiz with thirty six. Aaron all tear former Philadelphia Philly kind of aquatic guy couldn't really figure it out couldn't stay. Healthy couldn't put it together. He's got thirty six. RB is not sung. Bum has thirty three for the Dino, so they continue their strong start. Off offensively over in the show, but. Let's see looking at the pitching side of things for the K B, O, the top era gentlemen comes from the Dyno's as well coaching, Mo- point seven five era in forty eight innings. Then you have, Eric. Jockey for the heroes, one, six, eight and forty eight innings Dan Stray. Lee Two. Oh, eight and forty seven innings, and one pay in two three zero in forty three innings for the. The Samsung Lions as your top guys performing wise pitching. Let's see who leads the League in wins. That's rule out CANTERA. He's six and one for the Dusan Bears Coaching Mo five and over the NC dyno's Jockettes, five and two for the heroes, the same guys in the area, the same guys with a lot of the wins in the League moving forward, and then the most strikeouts coaching. Coaching Mo- at the top with fifty to dance Rayleigh has fifty drew resent. sqi Has forty-nine for the Dino, so Donald, two of the top three strikeout pitchers, and then the Kia Tigers have number four and five withdrew Gagman and Aaron Brooks on the mound side of things so the Dyno's really showing you know they're the best of the bunch there when it comes to the K B O. O, they're being pursued by the top four so all above five hundred all really solid ball clubs. If you're seeing them on, ESPN, you should definitely check them out and switch on over but Let's see let's wrap today's episode crews and over to the L., the Taiwanese league. It was the first professional league back live here. The raccoon monkeys still lead the way twenty, one and fifteen. They are, let's see tied in first place with the chinatrust brothers who've actually played four more games at twenty, three and seventeen, so based on winning percentage there in second place, the Bond Guardians at Sixteen and twenty one the UNI president lions. Coming up in the basement at seventeen and twenty four, but looking at the racquet monkeys individually offense, they're being led by Zing Ping Lin. Who In thirty one games hitting four, sixty, two, only one home run, so not a Bauer, Guy, but plenty of at bats, so he would qualify. Then you got Li Lin hitting four zero six with ten home runs and thirty five rb is he's a strong offensive candidate for raccoon, and they're also led by Zoos Zang's zoo, a as twelve home runs and twenty nine Rbi's hitting three forty six on the mound. Five and one Lisa Air. Togo, NIA is five and one with a three Oh. Nine era in fifty five innings, Ryan carpet or three and two with a three six two. We are a in fifty four innings. The pitching side of things strong from the international players, Baena and carpenter for the raccoon monkeys. Let's see here. Let's look at the Chinatrust. Brothers tied for first place. They're being led offensively by Zhao. House Zang who has hidden three forty with ten home runs and forty rbis. A few of the other guys easings on six home runs thirty one RB. Sit in three thirty three. We Dasu five home runs. Twenty eight rbis hidden three thirty six on the mound here. Let's see they got quiz he. WHO has a six nine era in twenty-six means he's foreign. Strong Start for him June we woo two and one two three to six. Out of the bullpen strong, but the pitching isn't as strong for Chinatrust. As we saw for the rotten monkeys there, and then the final two teams, the bond guardians they're being led offensively by the likes of she high. Hidden three fifty three with six home runs and sixteen RBI's. They also have ju-lin cow owl, hitting three fourteen with seven home runs and twenty rb is, and then on the mound they are lead Oh man, Henry so says kind of leading them with a four one three. When fifty six innings so pitching, really the problem when it comes to on and these lower level teams, especially the uni-president Alliance here offensively, they are led by Zaid Sue. Who's got fourteen home runs and thirty seven rb is is sitting three seventeen. That's the League lead in home runs at fourteen. They also have n Que Lynn. Who's got nine home runs thirty five RBI sitting three thirty eight, but from. From a pitching perspective, their lowest rotational piece Ryan Fair Bent. 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Starting 9 Episode #77 - Rule Changes Coming?

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Starting 9 Episode #77 - Rule Changes Coming?

"Back to starting nine seventy seven the Ray Bork episode. Yeah. The Pedro Syriac. Oh episode. The original Sean Doolittle episode. We are one week away from spring training. Baseball's back the second that the Super Bowl is over. It is a fishery baseball season got to celebrate might twelfth championship in eighteen years. Water run for me. Yeah. Wanna run? We'll I'll give you thirty seconds to a minute right now to to gloat to celebrate. I won't I won't. You don't Dallas? No. I'm good. No, that's fine. It's up and move on. Let's go. It's just another day being Boston sports fan is. You know, I'll I'll I'll keep that to myself. It's fine. Yeah. You're onto the preseason. Let's go. Yeah. Don't worry about that. Big shout, though, speaking in the Super Bowl shout out to all the Braves fans starting nine grounds crew came out in full force. Rob you the Ivy in Buckhead a bunch of them men at roughing rowdy, lots of starting nine listeners and Atlanta Georgia did not expect that at all. Well, I don't know what to say want it back to Kamakura, but they're not that I didn't expect it. It's just there were a lot. There were a lot of brace fans that listen starring nine we were sort of giving them the inside scoop on what to expect from our spring training trip. That's coming up in just a few weeks here going to be hitting Arizona. Well, we're going to be hitting. Full Oreta, aka killing fields. Yeah. It's gonna be it's going to be quite the trip. I'm excited. You should be many reasons, you should have got a lot of great ideas. Got a lot of great guests that spring cherry about to get popped. Yeah. Well, Aaron I've done Florida. But that's crevice. That's not. That's that. That's that real spray crowded. Let's rail Sprague tragic, go out to Arizona. That's that's rail spe right? Yes. It is that that Florida baloney break. Right. Is it Arizona? That's the real spray. Dr. It is sorry. By the way, I been mailing these these these reports, I've I keep keep texting you guys that like I I'm hearing so and so two so and so and then it ends up happening Astros Wade Miley. What was the other one had Pollock to the dodgers? I mean, I'm a regular puck and Ken Rosenthal over here. Only to subscribers. To my reports. And it's just Jay Dallas. That's it. We'll because I don't I don't I can't just I can't just agree that you're calling. I don't know if I'm being honest. I'm not totally mentally present for all of these broadcasts. And and no, no, no, no. I'm not saying on the podcast you guys. I text you guys. Hey, hearing this to this happens. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not screen shotting conversations. I'm not putting I'm not putting that out there for the general public to consume. That's good those a little birdies that are that are that stay in this stay in this general vicinity here. Don't let those flyer. I would say that you've you've had your ear to the street. I'm not gonna put this. Based on your interaction at the winter meetings. There was an individual that you gravitated towards I took note of this. There's an individual that you were and you may not even take note of this yourself, but I did and subconsciously you have reference this individual on multiple occasions. Us individual media member player is a media member. It's and also this this individual I feel is doing doing quite the favor is is floating. You some some very solid information. And you are doing exactly what you should be doing with it, which is extending it to the avenues that, you know, have dead ins meeting, it's not going to go any farther than and. And pretty much leave it at that. Because I'm not gonna put or boy on blast. And yeah, I don't know who you're thinking of because I've gotten every single signing that I've actually gotten ahead of it. Breaking I've gotten from different people have been very strange. I never know who. Especially if it's coming from someone that I don't particularly know all that. Well, it's like all right. Well, you know, who's Where'd you hear this? And that so it's you'd never know. It's it's at least something that creates a conversation when we're still waiting for Bryce opera and Manny Machado to decide where the fuck they're gonna play. And it's the first week of February. So that's that's where we're at still whilst we as we have tried to pay these deals as we've tried to target who's going where one thing that. I think we can all agree on that's been interesting about these is the makeup of these deals and one thing that I have taken note of with all of these transactions not only the short duration of time, but the incentive Laden contracts, right? There's incentives up the ass in each and every one of these deals. And that's that's cool. I don't know. It's just I I like to see that. I like the carrots being dangled I enjoy that aspect of talking about breaking down these conversations. So the lefty heads to Houston, and it's not Dallas kaikal. It's highly one year four and a half mil shot, and he's got incentives here. And that's what's cool. One hundred K for hitting the tin start. Mark one hundred K for hitting the fifteen start Mark the twenty start Mark the twenty five start Mark. So he's one hundred k for all those another hundred K should he make twenty five relief appearances another one hundred K for thirty five forty five fifty five and sixty relief appearances. So it's really cool is no incentive at thirty starts. There is not. No, that's bizarre along. I mean, sorry. I mean, he's a tease up two hundred inning guy. Hey, I will what I was going to get at here is if you're reading between the lines, maybe there's been a conversation, or maybe this is sort of pudding Miley on notice should somebody else emerges a starter or should things not work out. How we like to see them work out in the rotation. Maybe you become a swing man slash Swiss army knife kind of guy, and he is somebody they run out there in those levered situations. And he does accumulate I don't know ten to fifteen starts than ends up logging another forty five to fifty five appear. I don't know is that possible. Like, I I don't think that's insane to think about it's not insane. But it would have to be like it would have to be a quick transition to. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. There's gonna would. I mean, that's why I say it's going to be from the rotation into the bullpen. I don't see it working. Around. So I I mean this goes without saying. Wade Miley getting four and a half million dollars from the Astros does not necessarily shut the door on Dallas kaikal reunion. Hell no, hell, no, not double down on them. Lefty Sut southpaw come on and the familiarity there you wanna talk about a rotation that starts the shape up like this fuck advert. Lander Garrett Cole, but q fucking peacock yuppies peacocks peacocks odd man out here. If you're bringing Dallas kaikal back to join Wade Miley Heo that's good slice Dyson. Right. They're terrorists. That's good rotation. It's not great good. Very good. Yeah. All pass it to the left hand side and that rotation all day sun. Go ahead. No. I was just gonna say I 'cause Dallas Heikal was one of the players that I reached out to to for spring training interview. Yup. I know that you don't know where you're going yet. But we'll let you know. Like, you know, if you're interested, which he said, he was as like, we'll we'll hit you up when we get down there because we're doing Zona and Florida and these like, yeah, you know, I don't know where I'm going either. But you know, hopefully, we can work something out. And we're what two weeks away from from getting down there and two weeks away from getting to Florida. We're five days away from him needing to report to wherever the funky be going. Right. So who the fuck knows if 'cause Mike moussaka s- another guy there's a little. Yeah. Love to do. The interview doesn't have a job guy should have jobs. Let me help you out care. This is where you need to go. All right. You want? You wanna find yourself somebody to throw your bones you need to do. Your homework in find. Car shipping companies and you need to become friends with those individuals because when cars go, you know, where they're going, you know, where they're going like, my mad P con happens to work in a car shipping business. So if I needed to I might be able to find out who's cars going where win if that isn't the case that's just a little trick. I've learned along the way something you might make up something you might want to pick up sneaky. The Marlins signed Curtis grants into a minor league deal before we get into the baseball end of this as you got to say something real quick. Oh god. So last week. I had a quote that went on our Instagram account starting on Instagram. It said quote. No one on the Marlins is saying, quote, no one believes in us. Let's go boys. This is our year. They're just like fuck, man. I just need a job. That's what's happening here with Curtis Granderson. But I think for for whatever reason while for whatever reason the people that follow us on Instagram. They get so mad when a quote from our podcast ends up on our podcast. It's account who the fuck is. This guy was give buck with this guy has to say are you aware that it'll be starting nine darting nine is a podcast that we are on. And we your quoting things from that podcast putting it on the Instagram account. So whoever runs our social whoever runs our social, please put a quote card on her Instagram this week from me that says, quote, I just want this quote to be on our Instagram because I know how mad it makes our Instagram followers, and quote, well, that's the problem is. You should be taken aback by the anger is just generally don't like you the genuinely have they have. Hey, hey, might be. I think they hate you. And. That's right, right. It's all right. I don't hate you. I like you. There's really dumb there dumped people like why why these are people that are like, hey, why are they quoting the starting nine podcast on the starting nine Instagram. What you mean, what does that mean? Because you came out of the womb with a bucket target on your back. You came out of the womb with a bullseye right on your. I don't think it has anything to do with me. I just think that these people, quite frankly, just don't understand. It has what's going on here? It has everything to do with you. It has nothing to do nothing. Why Curtis Granderson character corrobos has everything to do with why the Marlins signed him? And let me tell you something invited to FanFest translation, he's making the fucking team. All right. So this minor league name if he breaks camp. No that has nothing to do with it. He's made look he's this is. If this is Derek Jeter's poker face, I wanna sit right next to Derek Jeter playing this game. I want to I want to be able to just push him all in he's making the club. This is not like if you don't break camp with the Marlins, you should retire. Thought about where Curtis Granderson that in his career? It's about the transaction the deal itself why? And the idea that he's by defend best. When typically guys who aren't even on the forty man aren't invited to fan fest is just like, I get it. It's granderson. But he usually has stuff going on. This is one of the most philanthropic individuals the game will ever know a man of the year award. I mean, this is a this is a dude that you want to inject into your clubhouse into your organization because of the culture that he's going to be able to help create and I think. Excuse me jeeter's familiarity with him as teammates in the clubhouse will lend self or Lindsey itself to to knowing what kind of impact Grandy can have in that regard. So that's what this is about your. It's it's it's I don't want to say it's fucking grooming thought about who the entire clubhouse. This is how you go about your business on a daily basis. They're not building a core of winners. There. They are dismantling whatever tell that they have left, and it's just a bunch of fucking guys. They didn't bring in Curtis Granderson to be like these guys they're young. But these are guys we're going to build them from the ground up those players aren't there. This is a guy who just wants a fucking job. Why can't we call it? What it is. Curtis Granderson just wants to continue playing and the loans like, hey, you can play for our fucking team. We don't have any good players. Was saying that he kicked me case. But that's what's happening. All it's called me right now. We're like, hey, you know, what fucking. We heard you kidding. The White House without tearing something was still willing to throw billion dollars at you wanna come pitch. You know, what I'm telling you to do, Jerry. I'm telling you to go. Fuck your own face. There's nothing wrong with that though. Let's just call it. What it is. This has nothing to do with building character in the clubhouse. It's just a guy who wants a fucking job in the Marlins. Sure, we got jobs. No by that was my take based on him going to fan fest and all this. I I'm looking at it. That's just the Marlins being like, we don't have one marketable name Curtis Granderson on a minor league deal. Hey, do you wanna come to fan fest that someone shows up to this fucking thing? That's that's what that is L capitain at worker. Hey, yeah. Sure, why not grass and you wanna come to fan fest. People up Curtis Granderson. He's a he's at forty runs before in two thousand and six you should come. It's lift juice right there. What year was that? Actually that he hit. I think it was probably two thousand six I think of it. We're at forty. Yeah. Curtis Granderson hit forty home runs in two thousand eleven in two thousand twelve you're on the off by Beckett. Well, close clubby he. Yeah. He led the league in strikeouts in two thousand six. Yeah. We're gonna miss by you, Pell, whatever, dude. Had back to back. Forty homers seasons. Leery auto to the buck owes corrobos. Yeah. My another minor league deal. But is it really? Is it really, no? It's a reunion. Jerry reunion about this though last time Liliana was with the pirates two thousand thirteen to two thousand fifteen three to six ERA over the course of those three years. Eighty six starts one point two four wip nine point six case per nine two point five four K to walk fucker finished in the top ten in the Cy Young vote in thirteen. I believe a fifth of three point two three over the long time ago. Yeah. It's long time ago through joins the guru racier. And fully pay vast gets keel. Should he make that club? That's a that's a nice addition doubt to those guys right there that I just named as it though. It's so while Dallas is dabbling in numbers from eight years ago. Let's talk about what he's done recently about the reunion corrobos. It's about what he said recently since twenty sixteen four eight nine ERA, he's nineteen and thirty two almost four hundred innings. Half of that. He's got two hundred and eleven walks not great his fifth four ninety his whip north of one and a half. That's just what he he's thirty five. No, there's pirates fan. It's like I would love to give you something to be excited about. I just did. I just did you just did not glass. Somebody could you imagine. How magin yards right? If the Oakland A's signs some starting pitcher. And then Dallas is like, well, it twenty thirteen he did this this and that. To twenty fifteen under the tutelage of because remember he arrived there. And it wasn't about a revamping of like he was like oh shit. Like Leary auto some things here. All right. And and he reels off a nice little stay there in Pittsburgh. And that as you have alluded to things kind of go south from there. Yeah. Well, now, he's back. So I'm just giving notable names got minor league deals coming into camp. And this is this is the shifting right? This is the shifting of the market that I've talked about. Yes. Thirty nine alumni, Blevins Blevins got a minor league deal back with Oakland. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's twenty eighteen was probably an outline for him. He has some potential to to get some some decent notes with Oakland. Oh, big time. And they need another lefty down there. They were kind of hard pressed to find any consistency with. With some of the lefties that they saw on their bullpen last year. So I think with blood being an established dude somebody there, obviously familiar with. But he understands how to go get the guys he needs to go get that can take a take some pressure off a book or down there. So that was that was nice to see. But the idea behind those deals is bring these guys in. We know that this is the market for them. And if we are able to work something out, hey, they're comfortable here. And we're comfortable with what we feel. We're gonna get. So the return on investment there. Okay with because nobody's beat down. These guys door to lock down for two years or three years. It's an incentive based year to year sort of existence from here on out. Yeah. I still was like when I was looking at a list of players who had gotten the the minor league deals that were there's there's a decent amount of them that were worthy of of major league contracts. Let's. Just put it that way. Martine perez. Another one another one was that. Of four million four million bucks to the twins. I don't know. I mean, obviously, the Indians are going to do at the they're going to do. Can I at least put the twins in the category of intriguing for twenty nineteen? And I say that they're intriguing. Absolutely. I mean, come on. I yes, when they went yes, they went down to Nelly. I was like, hey, I like this. I I like where they're going with this. And and I don't know if this doesn't necessarily solidify it, but this does intriguing his a nice word because in pris- looked the guy has has struggled. There's really there's really no other way to put it. He struggled sixty and seventy I mean, this is not a guy that's going to dominate in any facet whatsoever. But sixteen seventeen he was a monster inning sky like the twins could use a guy that's going to give you I don't think he's ever. I don't think he's ever reached two hundred s but he's come pretty damn close a couple of times. So if you had a guy that can at least be for the twins sake like four and a half year eight close to hundred innings that has ton of value. Oh, absolutely. You're I mean, you want to be able to take as much pressure off. Of your bullpen as possible, and you wanna be able to plug in the guys that that are going to get those pivotal high leverage. Allison if you're able to handle over in the seventh inning six innings, seventh inning outstanding that just doesn't seem to be the case these days. That's the only problem. So the attractiveness of somebody who can eat up all those innings while it's there on the surface. How real is it because how long is his leash in June in a division game. You know, I I don't know. I know that you don't know about Martine Peres. But I know something that you do know Dallas. What do I know? Tell me what I know. I know that you know, thing or two about Arizona. I do and I've tried to tell you I've tried to fill you in. And I got made fun of I got the shit talk to me about the difference between spring training and air Zona spring training who made funny Dallas. It's really no Bill some black guy that some do that was also saline. It's the Simpsons Donald book and knew that dude that has been going to spring training and Florida which is why he feels. He hasn't. He hasn't gone to visit air Zona dot com slash spring, training and figured out. This is where I need to be because he he doesn't realize that there's fifteen teams corrobos within a fifty square mile area. I don't know if he knows that or not because if he he's probably not bumping his gums. That's just my thought he probably likes to drink by the sound of his uneducated accent. So I don't know four peaks brewery, maybe a maybe it'll angel's trumpet ale house, maybe Goldwater brewing company. Maybe these are places that that guy could go wet, his whistle. I know they are places he could go what as whistle. Been there done these places amazing corrobos. I don't know how he's getting there. There's there's been talk of of some some random modes of transportation, you could skydive your way to four picks. I don't know if you can actually do that. But you can't skydive landing and four peaks might be troublesome. You could take a jetski to four peaks. That's also possible. But I don't know if they have parking there, but just is also available the fund shit that we're going to do is is what I am really jazzed about because we're going to consume baseball that's going to it's going to be what we do. But the awesome shit that they just don't have to do in Florida. We're going to be able to do hiking. I mean, you can do that Florida if you're into like dodging fucking alligators and pythons and shit. I'm not into that. So I'll still trail and I will overlook Camelback mountain, and I will enjoy a nice hot air balloon. Right. I will overlook the paradise valley and take into beautiful sunset after taking in the crack of the bat ten different stadiums. Jared, and I'm going to have to wear sunscreen. I'm not going to have to wear bug repellent. Like, I am going to have to do in Florida. So for me, it's visitors Zona dot com slash bring training, and they can help you figure out all of the funds shit. You wanna go do? So whether it's right into old town on horseback. And taking in some of the nightlife there comedy shows comedy show guy crops, love comedy, big comedy, show guy, myself out here. I got some joints out here that have been well established in LA. They've got some stuff out there and Zona as well that I'm going to introduce you to awesome little holes in the wall. The music the food and shit. We're gonna get down with my friend. We are going to get down and it starts with visit Arizona dot com slash spray trading. So you folks who are putting a bowl on your last minute trip arrangements and you're looking for shit to jam in go to visit Amazon dot com slash spring training and get it done. Let's go rich, boys. Mexico some big-time excited for spring training. Live shows. Yeah. I talk into a couple of different restaurants bars already into a couple of different ones. Looks like we're going to have a spot looks like we're gonna handle. Yes, I'm not. I'm not gonna throw the names of the places out there. Just yet that would be fair of me to do. But we've gotten a lot of good feedback so far from social media. So yeah, look forward to the next podcast. Hopefully by then we might have a spot nail down. And we can we can deliver speaking good feedback. Has there been good feedback to the rule changes that are supposedly being discussed between major league baseball and the players union? Dow's Brayden has some thoughts. I know I have some thoughts. I would love to get Jay Hayes thoughts. Let's just go down one by one Celli. What's let's? So the three batter minimum for. Shit. I'm just gonna make a guess I think Dallas is gonna love this one. I think he's gonna love this one aka the the Wade Miley rule. I I don't like this rule. I know they were talking about it on the the barstool rundown. And I think most of them were in favor of it. I hate it for the simple reason that it's like, okay? Is the eighth inning two run game. I bring in a reliever he gives up a bomb. Now, it's a one run game double in the gap. Now, I've got another guy coming up and tying runs at second base against a relief. That doesn't have it tonight. And I gotta keep them in the game. No, you don't. No. You don't you wanna know? Why this why the rules bullshit because guess what just happened? You're your hamstring. Just started to bark. And you know, what you just did you just the trainer out there? And you know, when you did that you did that to pitches before you gave up the ass in the gap there pal? So I just punched a major fucking hole right through the Swiss cheese fucking rule. Get outta my face with this. These are just like these these are loopholes. And this is what is going to continue. Like, I've already found a loophole. I've already found you loophole. Like, what are you gonna do what they would have to do? Is they would have to now mandate that if if taken out of the game via injury, you have to the disabled us either you have to go on the disabled list or you have to at least go on. Right. You have to go on the seven day or whatever. Like, yeah. That's what's going to have to happen. And that's the equivalent to a player in the NFL kneeling down to fake an injury during crunch time to get that time out. Right. They end up being fined if I'm if I'm correct is that true. There's a penalty in the and they're fine. If I'm not, correct. Then I I'm an asshole. And I'm sorry. But you are Nestle and fairness fearful, but I'm probably right? So that that rule. I just I know and I understand that it it's an effort. Like response initially is your fundamentally changing the way the game is played the way the game is strategized. You're and you're going. Yeah. Well, that's the idea is that's what change does. Is. It changes things used to be Dallas. Okay. I understand that. But to what extent now are we starting like, there's just you don't have a backup plan without having to change many aspects of the game because as I just stated, and as you pointed out there's going to have to be a way to prevent just abusing this rule and. Now, you're telling me that impacts the disabled list. All right. Well, is it a seven day deal? If that's the case, we might be able to start to manipulate this to where again like I've said in the past the forty man roster and those guys AAA they're going to have an even bigger impact on the big league club than they used to in the past because it's not going to be about who's performing. Well, that can come up and have a small impact it's going to be about. All right. All you boys down there and three need to be ready because there's going to be a lot of hamstrings that start to bark with that. Lefty. Righty matchup comes up and homeboy has to go on the deal for the next seven days. I don't know that that happens because now you're talking about what you don't want. Andrew Miller facing. A righty. So you're gonna just shelf him for the next seven days. That's not that's not gonna happen. Nice aren't going to do that. So. It's not as easy as you think to just say yet, you're going to have to face three batters, you know, one of the things I was worried about was what happens at the end of an inning. You bring me in with one out. I throw one pitch like we see so many times I get my double play and out of the inning. Now what you're going to have to be ran back out there to start the inning at face at least two batters. Well, the answer is no in the case or the event of inning ending in any excuse me that pitchers now done he he's he's good to go. So I was okay with it in that regard. But. No that just doesn't just doesn't sit. Well with me. I'm sorry. Jay. I think that one is the diocese of spy far of the I think. I think it's like kinda to what I'm sure everyone is probably thinking there has to be some sort of caveat where if your reliever gives up a run before they faced third batter you should be able to take them out. What? Yes, that's where we're getting so detailed and suit. Like, we're talking about that detail. It's like all right. There's three batter minimum. But if he gives up a home run to the first guy or the second guy, you can take them out. Like if I give up if I have a guy come in double Homer. It's like why should I have to keep him in there for the third batter? Well, it's because now now I'm going to say all right. Well, what if I intentionally walked the first guy? Does that count as a better face? Do. I have to like. Yeah. I just this will is just terrible is just a bad idea. It is a bad idea. But if they were to implement that that would have to be something where they're like. Yes. Three batter. Minimum. But you can lift a guy if he gives up a run that goes they shouldn't be forced to keep dude in there. That's given up bombs. Well, the I mean, that's that's my whole point about this impacts strategy this impacts the way. Now, you're telling me how I have to manage the game. But in essence, you're telling the whole the whole league telling the gain, that's my point is you're changing a huge part of the game. And while people will be extremely uncomfortable with that you just have to look at it for both sides that something that's that's an effort being made. And for me that no that's falling on deaf ears that ain't haven't for j. What were your thoughts? On the on the pitching changes. I think that of all the proposals or all all the suggestions. I think that's the dicey by far. I think it's the one as you guys have laid out. That's most fraught with issues that seems like it's the least. Easy to implement at least without unintended consequences. And I also think it's the one that has the least likely chance of actually happening in two thousand nineteen. Yeah. Aren't they shooting for twenty twenty? I'm sorry. Twenty twenty. Yeah. Universal designated hitter. And I'm interested. What Dallas is thoughts are because he grew up in NL guy. And now, he's an ale guy. So you can see it from both sides. He's been passionate about teams from both sides. Obviously, I'm super in favor of the universal designated hitter. And it really has nothing to do with, you know. Being a Red Sox fan seeing the greatest designated hitter of all time, it's more to do with. A let's create some more action. You know, because it's not so much that the games are slow is just that the time between balls and play is is what people are complaining about essentially. So you had another guy that's going to be mashing. Baseball's you have more balls in play by nature number two. You're creating more jobs. I mean, I understand National League fans will be resistant to this. And I get it anyone. That's like. Oh, yeah. The strategy. I love the strategy. It's like, yeah. Well, guess what you love fucking homers to you're not you don't show up to a baseball game being like, well, I can't wait to see them. Strategize the shit out of this one. No. If a guy hits a home run, you're gonna go nuts like the whole summer of ninety eight that happened in National League ballparks, Mark McGwire. Sammy sosa. They chased Roger marris in National League ballparks it's saved baseball because of Homer's. That's what you get. With a designated hitter. I don't know I guess everyone's going to point to the BART's all Cologne home run. Well, if if you have a universal h we'll never have moments like this again. It's like, okay. Was it cool. Yeah. Was it funny? Yeah. But so are four hundred and fifty four home runs, and you get to see those all the time. If you have a D H, those are guaranteed understand one hundred percent. That that is what is driving entertainment in the game of baseball today is offense. But there are still a ton of fans who appreciate the nuance in the intricacies of the game. So they appreciate executing a bunt. What goes into that? They appreciate what that situation creates in the game of baseball because everybody when that bunt is laid down in the seventh inning. Everybody's wondering. I hope the second baseman gets over. The I in covers I hope the first base can can peel out of the way and not getting away. The throw are the pitcher in the third baseman. Good of communicate effectively enough is the pitcher gonna get to third and backup. Like there's a lot going on in a play. And for the folks who understand that part of the game? They appreciate that. And it's okay. If we remember. This is a game. And it doesn't have to make mathematical since in order for it to be a part of the game. So the numbers like we talk about the run expectancy table, the idea of bunting a guy over to second base. Actually, decreases the opportunity to drive him in from second base. That's understood that is understood my point is that's just part of the game. Somebody willing to force this guy to field it and force him to throw it and force him to catch it that is a part of the game that some people are just not willing to part ways with and some people till the end of time, we'll say do this. And then I will tip my hat do this. And then you will have beaten me. But if I bumped this ball, and you miss. Miss the bare hand or you throw it up the line. And I've now got up first and third situation or a second and third situation. I thought that was going to happen based on what I've been looking at. So don't tell me I'm stupid for having strategized this game in that way. At this very moment in time and fans that consume the game. They appreciate that shit. Those riled up. Yeah. Those scenarios seem to me to be happening less frequently as we move further and further away like the Wall Street Journal just had an article that showed that pitchers relative to the rest of the league have never ever been worse at hitting right? Oh, it's never been this bad before they slashed one fifteen one forty four one forty nine plus your let's not let's not get beside ourselves here though. Boy, slits remember something for the first time in the history of our beloved game. Pitchers struck out more hitters than they gave up hits. Remember that? Okay. So technically speaking the hitters are getting fooled and baffled more than they've ever been in the legs. So why so why are we why are we further? Why are we further watering down? Like, it's not about watering down is because that you're talking about happened. So infrequently most of these most of these issues now, most of them can't fucking bump at all. Right. I'm we're not taking away. I'm not look we're not trying. I'm not trying to tell you that. These guys have the ability to do it. Why the fuck aren't they doing it? I'm not defending that. I am telling you that. The bunt itself is the is a part of the game that people who have watched baseball consumed baseball played baseball understand to be a new. Once they know what it takes to execute that play. They know what they've been taught or what they've learned as far as strategy is concerned numbers now are telling us and reflecting that that is not necessarily strategy based on scoring runs. But now people are saying instead of trying so so what you're telling me that you would much rather have this guy take a couple pitches, it'd be disciplined at the plate and did a first base and let the guy behind him hit a three run Homer. It you're going. Yeah. Yup. Yes. That that's going to score more runs. And there's people who are just saying. Okay. That's how you would like to score runs. We would actually like to try to score runs this way. And you're looking at them your dumb ass. The numbers say. But this is to me, this is a separate conversation. I'm not here to argue expectancy, which I've done on this podcast. And I've done for years in terms of manager strategy and stuff like that. I'm not here to argue about run maximization or how run should be scored. But like there's just a fundamental aesthetic thing going on here where most ninety eight percent of the time when the pitcher comes up they are doing one of two things they are either literally standing there waiting for the bat to end, which is like watching paint dry even for a baseball fan or they're going to go up there and. It incorrectly executed bond or swing away. That is like can we just get this over with? So that I can watch somebody who can really play baseball on this side of the diamond play. And it's just like I get that. There's like a strategic element in terms of bumping, I keep the bunt. I'm not trying to legislate out. The bunt have have your leadoff guy or have your new number nine batter bunt. Right. Those those guys and do it. It was in. It is a strategic aspect in the game based on that position the pitcher being with sponsor for creating some type of offense. But understanding that that is not his point of focus. So the bunt became or was a way for this player who's not expected to create offense to be of some impact ofensive -ly. So instead of just standing there with the bat up his ass or still in the bat rack at him. They're starting to stint fire in the batter's box. Hey, let's try. Let's let's do this. I want you to swear around. And I want you to try to lightly place this ball towards the third baseman or towards the first baseman. So that the guy on I can move up ninety feet, and if we can do that with you now you have a spot in this lineup based on the rules that we are playing under. That's what the pitchers role and the bunt. Has has been in the game of baseball. And now that we're seeing the blowouts like, I'm sorry. So to get to the answer. I'm for the universal DA. I appreciate one hundred percent the Madison Bumgarner 's the Zach green keys, the guys who can handle the bat and the Jacob degrom who are impactful, but you wanna know who that favors what three to five teams out of the thirty that played a game. And that's to as you a designated hitter. Your designating to hit for the pitcher by choice, you could if you wanted to if it's like Madison Bumgarner start day, you can designate a hit for the catcher Kenji doesn't have to hit. You wanna know how quickly this would be small? This is how quickly it would be solved boys opening day across the league. Everybody gets to make up their lineup. However, they would choose ready go. You wanna know? How many starting pitchers are batting ninth in the lineup across the league fucking zero. That's how many that's. Any? So you could tell me right now to my face that you want your hitter or you want your pitcher hitting you can say that to my face. If I provide you with the opportunity to plug in anybody else on your team other than the man starting on the mound for you. You're going to take that every time, and I don't want to hear any other answer because it's pure ignorance, it's pure ignorance to tell me that you would rather Madison. Bumgarner hit than have somebody else. Do it for him on his start day. Sorry says the fact sorry at offense. And that's actually I'm happy that it came from Dallas sesame because it's like, oh, yeah. Like, of course, the guy fucking grows up a fan of David Ortiz is going to say, yeah. Let's get universal there. I mean, Dallas can speak from both in AL perspective. And it just makes sense. The fact that's all National League fan say, and I've had this argument for years ever since I started fulltime at barstool. Three years ago being like, hey, it's time for a universal D H D H of the National League. All I get is the BART's all Cologne, home run and strategy. Like, I'm sorry. I'm just there's still strategy in the game. If you take out pitchers hitting their I appreciate what would focus need to understand about. This universal D H thing is just equate this to all of the rules that have been put in place in the NFL to protect players protect the quarterback specifically. Because again if cardinals if cardinal nation Saint Louis if Saint lunatics don't lose out on Adam Wainwright. And wainwright. Does it miss out on those on that time spent because the achilles they're probably on in favor of that? So you think with the pictures that have gone down with diving back to first base because they're on base. Not because they've been put into pinch run. But because they made their way to first base for whatever reason, you just you just don't wanna see that. So I am all for the athletes aka the pitchers being able to to put their full and total baseball skill set on display, I would love that. But let's remember when it comes to cut in time and the World Series is being played. We're now having to teams who played under very different rules. For all the marbles play under two different sets of rules. And that just weird to that is weird. Next up. A single trade deadline before the all-star break. I'm going to have to be a no on this one. I don't care if there's a just one trade deadline because you obviously have your your non waiver trade deadline. They usually is July thirty first, and then you have your waiver deadline and August guys have to pass through waivers before they can be traded which most guys it's a procedural thing. Do get put on waivers and most of them clear. I think. Trade deadline before the all-star break is a little too soon. Like, you you don't really around the all star break. You don't really know. What you have as a team. You don't really know what you need for for the long haul for August September. You don't really know what your your needs are. So if you wanna get down to one trade deadline fine, but meet me in the middle. And have it be like in mid August. Boom. You nailed it. Corrobos not as dumb as your hair looks August. Fifteenth would be a perfect date because that gives teams time just after the halfway Mark to assess where they're at where the think they can be with about a month in change left when rosters expand. And that's something we'll get into. But with the idea of roster expansion just on the horizon around August. Fifteen teams are now trying to forecast where they're going to be at the end of that month. And I think I think just before you start to expand rosters teams are going to have an idea of what an additional piece could do for them. And if they haven't done their homework by that time, that's their fault. And frankly, I think the standings would dictate as they do much every year who's in the position to be pulling the trigger. I feel like we've heard a few all J. Do you have any thoughts on the trade deadline? No, I fully agree with you guys. My initial my only thought was that seems to early. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Not August fifteenth. I mean, they're they're suggests proposal makes a lot of sense, right? Yeah. I don't know why they would if they were going to if they were going to do something before mid August. Why wouldn't you just have a one trade deadline and keep it thirty? I I don't know why it has to move down. I do think one trade deadline, though is good because I think I think unruly that unnecessarily confused. The casual fan are not good for baseball moving forward. And the even the number of people who watch baseball games and who play fantasy baseball that I have to explain to yearly basis what the difference between the two great. What waiver would non waiver bought waiver every year, and it's the team people and they love baseball. So let's just do away with that. Let's remember let's just kind of. Let's mildly try to explain that Jay. And why it's in place in my opinion. It's in place because. It allows front offices who are not really in the thick of it to start to get a jump start frankly on roster construction for next year. And how things are shaping up next year because the idea is if Jay is on my team, and he's not really in the mix in my future plans. I can kind of dangle him out there and crops like oh shit. Jeez out there. Let me holler at this kid. So corrobos puts a claim on Jay. Well, you know, what on second thought? I'm not really willing to part ways with J. So I pull J back off of waivers. But now that I know that Jared's interested in him. Jared. I can now start to work out a deal for J potentially. And if nothing comes to fruition all good, no harm. No foul. But let's say we're able to work something out. Well, now now jail the sudden is sitting on Jared's roster helping juries ballclub or is in his mix for the next year. And that is all allowed to go down because of this deadline, and because of this additional so I mean, that's. It's to why it's in place in my view. Is you wanna know, which you wanna know what's topic or which of these proposed things I want to hear your guys take on most at this point lowering the mount, yes. Because I I can predict where this one's going. I'm all for it bit. Do you want to just skip to that? Yeah. I I don't think we need to hit all these. I think because I feel like Dallas is. I mean, we've we've talked what the pitch clock a bunch of times. I mean, that's another one where there's a loophole new sort a first whatever. Okay. But before we do get to the mound lowering draft advantages for winning teams and penalties for losing teams. Love that love it love that. Because if you look around the league, it's like, okay. Yeah. You wanna talk about the revenues being record revenues ten billion dollars north at ten billion dollars. Then you look at the attendances across some of these teams and they're fucking miserable. It's because a lot of these teams are not competing. They're not trying to compete. They're not they're not using their financial resources, even if they're not continuing for a World Series title. They're not doing everything they can to put a winning baseball team on the field for that year. They're trying to suck and reap the benefits from sucking. So I love this. That's great role. I mean, you look at the end they'll be is going to be in a similar position in twenty nine thousand that they weren't AT and where there's going to be a bunch of great teams. And then there's going to be. A vast majority of just mediocrity. And then there's a bunch of shit teams. You have your super teams, which is a handful of teams and that should the rest of it is meant to shit. No, I love it. I love it pay to play man. I love the pay to play idea. Like, you're not rolling into the casino. You're not rolling into Vegas cash and food stamps and Roland into the high roller room that ain't happening. Got you. Gotta be this tall to ride this. Right. You know, what I'm saying and corrobos couple years during the eclipse before you could get on them while everybody else was you had to wait in line. You had to wait your turn. Well, you know what you're over that line today crops? Yeah, you're over that line. You get to play you turn the book. And we'll we'll ride the teacups you win me. So when we force teams to do that sort of thing that's just a that's a level of investment. That's a baseline level of investment that we know everybody is at. Right. How much do you care at least this much at least ninety million dollars where the payroll much? That's how much I care. So if you're not spending this much, well, you don't get to be a part of major league baseball. So there's not an alternative league. Like, it's not like the fucking raise or the as are going to be squaring off against the Long Island, ducks anytime soon or the Sugarland skiers because they're not hitting that ninety million dollar, Mark. But let's put some penalties in place. If that is indeed the case, if you're not hitting so I love this idea because what our teams looking to do to get better in the future looking to stockpile resources. Well, if you dangle those carrots as far as successes concerned instead of failure like look guys, I get that. Baseball's a game built on failure. We're taking it a little too far. Yeah, we're taking it a little too far. Let's go ahead and reward success at some point in time. Right because all. Let me ask you guys. This question. Would you guys prefer would you guys prefer draft advantages for winning teams and penalties for losing teams? Or would you prefer that? There is a non a salary cap but a salary floor like teams have to spend a minimum of ninety million dollars. There's no reason that we can't have it all I agree with that. But if if it came down to rob Manfred sitting in a room with you, and Jay, and he's like, listen guys, we can only implement so many changes in two thousand twenty wins one of these which one of these has a more adverse effect give you the baseline give me the baseline because in my mind. Again, I'm the worst math on this podcast by far that just tells me that's more money in the game. That's more money being spent on players that I don't know if it's one player on a team that gets a bitter nut than everybody that brings that one. One team up to that. I don't know. And frankly, I don't care because that means that's at least thirty guys getting breaded up chicken titties the way they should be as opposed to letting teams go, oh, man, we really tried this year darn it. So neither neither I think has an adverse effect. I think it's just if if. If there is a minimum amount that teams had to spend. Maybe there are some dumb signings. That teams are forced into to make the the minimum. But. Having an advantage to winning can only be good. It's like everyone should be trying to win every single year. And as a union member, Jared, I don't care who's getting your dumb contract. I mean, I do and those are details we could get into ultimately, I wanna see the players get paid. And. Yeah, that's the player getting all right, Dallas. The Florida's yours. Lowering the mound. Earth says at says a study to lower them out not even lowering them out. But let's just say they want to lower the mound in twenty twenty. What are your thoughts is a former major league pitcher kick rocks? I mean, how how how much easier can we make it on the hitter? Are you kidding me? It is never been more difficult to be a hitter. And you, and you wanna know what you want to know whose fault that is that's the hitter fault. That's. No, no, no. Why let me tell you why. Because we can all say this generations are abandoning the art of hitting and they are adapting and adopting the art of bludgeoning and the art of swing. Pledge and you. I don't sing it. Bring it bitch. And you can tell me that that's not the case and. I'm gonna shit all over that. I'm just I'm just going to there's no how no there is a counter to that. There's a very natural counter. And it's I believe, and I believe that. I mean, it's not definitive. But I believe that the numbers would show that pitcher velocity and pitcher pitch movement as more to do. And this is a credit to you. This is a credit to pitching it has more to do with the rise in strikeouts. And the reduction in contact over all that it does slightly changing the path of this way. I think about what it's coming out of hands. What's coming out of the pitchers hands say that again because you hit you hit a huge lull, and you got all over forward. Drums leuven? So say Ted, I said. Reduction in contact and the rise in strikeouts has more to do with the velocity of the pitch is coming from pitchers and the movement of those pitches than it does the swing path or swing approach of batters. See I I can't buy that. Because there's there's a word that gets thrown around a lot. And a lot of people don't even really know what it means. And they don't understand is this an approach is this a number. Is this a goal looking to a like what does launch angle me? Right. Well, you can define it or or process at however, you would like the very idea that we are entertaining launch angle and how to achieve x number or how to execute x number. The fact that that's the thing. That's not. Pitching that is hitting. And you're right. That is reaction to how do we get better? But is it? It's a reaction to how do we do more damage because launch angle is not about making contact. It's about making contact to achieve a desired result. So that Jay is why that is complete and total bullshit. So we're trying to when you are trying to attack the baseball in a certain fashion to achieve a desired result. A very specific result. I have to look at you and say, well, you know, what what if you just tried to hit the ball in general as opposed to trying to hit it at this desired angle to try to achieve this desired result. What do you think Barry Bonds is doing that launch has been around forever? Maybe dick. That's what he was doing drop a dick. Now, the reason reason reason they were able to get away with it back in the days because not every Astle was out. There throwing ninety eight with a with a cut piece Janet screwball job and a slider and a variation on that slider and another version of this lider, seventy two miles an hour. There's no debating fucking nasty pitchers are sorry about it. Sorry that you chose the profession and you want to the bat rule you Bogu. Seapaul? Yep. Yeah. They already lowered it up Gibson shoved it up the world's asked. And they're like, oh, dude. He's way to dollop there. Bring him down notch. And you've got Jacob degrom Clayton Kershaw. You got Chris you got the rest of the everybody looked sorry about it. So what do you want him to do with their other hand you want to start under handy? We can go back to the days where you're able to to request pitch height speed and location is that what we need to do to make it easier. Hey hitters, how about us the whole fucking field and quit your bitching? I mean, that's that's take. It's a take from a former major league pitcher. If you're a baseball fan, would you want an advantage taken away from pitchers, which would then create an advantage for these hitters is there. I don't know. I feel like. I I don't wanna touch them out. I don't want to touch them out. I don't because I think I love dominating pitching performances, just as much as I love seeing mammoth home runs, but. I don't think that there has been. A lack of either I think we've seen dominating pitching performances, but then we just came off a season where more home runs were hit than any single season in baseball history, including the steroid era because the baseball's fucking wound tighter tighter, ducks us. Whatever whatever the reason is Dallas. Why whatever the reason is I am being Nuristan because they're so that should up super tight out Costa Rica these days, that's why in both regards. I get my home run fix. And I get my dominating pitching fix. Don't touch my mouth. Don't does douse Braves about get the now. Yeah, we've we've learned that lesson long ago to leave Dallas brains Maddelo rule that would allow to sport amateurs to sign major league contracts. So now, we're just fucking we're making the Cuyler Murray rule clause while it's literally still playing out by the way, not to knock the guy or anything. But like and they'll be bending over backwards to be like, oh, choose baseball. Please. Please choose baseball. First of all. He's not some like generational talent. That's number one. Number two. I watched the pizza review and all the interviews that he did. He is so fucking boring. Like, this is not like a Bryce Harper type personality where it's like this guy's a lightening. Rod everyone's gonna love Bryce Harper. And they do Bryce Harper is considered a number one number two tight name and major league baseball. He's not a number one number two type talent Kylo Murray. Every interview that he did during Super Bowl week as like does this guy speak more than five words. But he doesn't say anything. He's so boring. Why didn't major league baseball and everyone else to this guy to be like, please. Please choose baseball, please. He's boring, and we don't know what he's going to be. He's he's baseball talents. He's a silent assassin jer. Yeah. I mean Jesus Christ. I didn't realize until Super Bowl week that this guy was super boring. I mean, oh, wow. It reminded. It reminded me of a slightly less cringing version of the Dan, Patrick, Matt Harvey interviews. When he was here. So the question you're on. I'm here to talk about com. Tell whatever it was. Yeah. It's like all right. I I do hope that he chooses baseball. He's going to is. Because it's the easy road is is football. That's fine. All makes your money make your money. I don't care anyone that if you're putting a position where you can make more money make more money. I'm never going to criticize you for that. But major league baseball bending over backwards acted like he's he's like the next big thing. Give me a fucking break this benefits this and this benefits the unicorn of the multi sport athlete, which is the baseball basketball player, and that's just because the seasons run concurrently. Right. So there's just you're not gonna ever really be able to do that. Like we just had the thirty for thirty Dion playing in a baseball game. And in the football game the same day. Yeah. Like that was a big deal because it happened. Once there's no way that you could play two seasons. Currently and healthwise be able to maintain peak performance. So in less, you're like a a first round talent on the hardwood? And on the diamond like the idea of having this rule come back and be in place. I don't know that it necessarily gets used the way that I think we would or with the frequency. It's just because this has has risen up. Right. Because Tyler Murray has presented the NFL, and they'll be with this issue. So again, all four any sort of clause or addendum put in place that allows teams to offer more money to the player. I don't know anybody that's ever strapped it on. That'd be like, no. You know, what I want to give you the ability the ability to sell the farm if you'd like if you wanna give me the farm bucking in I want that. I don't even think that this should necessa-. -sarily apply to just to sport athletes. Like, if there's a guy that you see in the draft out of high school or college, and you're like, hey, we really want to sign this guy. And say he's in high school, but he's threatening to go to college or whatever. Hey, we will give you a major league contract. But you have to obviously give up a spot on the forty man. Like right off the bat off about. Yeah. Why not why shouldn't a major league baseball team be able to do that? Like, hey, we'll we'll pay you more than slot. But we have to put you on the forty man in order to give you a major league deal. If you if you signed with us read out address, right? I mean, it's it's basically like this. It's my money, and I'll spend it how I want. Right. That's that's kind of. That's that's the Tatum. There is if I like the kid I'm gonna I'm gonna give him what he wants to give them what I'm willing to give. And that should be their decision. 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And if we're gonna spend all offseason talking about why the fuck aren't these teams going after Bryce Harper? And the only reason I wanted to bring this up is because it is a team did is going after Bryce Harper. And the giants might not be to whatever degree. We don't know. But the giants might not be close to competing in the sense of like the dodgers or the Anki or some of these other teams that have been rumored on Harper. But to me, it's encouraging to see team at least being like, all right? Well shit if he's still out there. Like, we're a functioning baseball organization. Let's go see what it's gonna take. There's no reason he couldn't be the guy launching balls into the cove for the next ten years to the giant as they build out the rest of the roster. That's so like when I hear that. It's ellsbury that they are that they're kicking the tires on that had been a prank. Call. Oh, yeah. I mean, how does that conversation? Go. Hey, brian. Hey, what's going on? I was just wondering. You know, what would it take to get someone like Kobe ellsbury dad is this is it are you want your did you take your medicine? Fuck is this. Push this through. Who is legitimately calling the BMI. Hey old. Old interested in Jacoby. Team. St. million dollars dead value. Like the giants of the only team where this would make sense because they can say, hey, you wanna dead? Johnny cueto. Do you want a dead? Jeff some Arja. Do you want a dead Martin Lanson like they have a potpourri like a buffet of dead money contracts that they be like all right? Well, like we owe Jacoby ellsbury forty eight million to not doing anything and you owe Johnny Cueto VHS sixty million cueto's eve only guy out of those those names that you just mentioned who definitely still have something left in the tank everybody. I've given up hope on but it will come with an entire season, basically. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. Then even still that's probably interesting to the keys because at least the last time we saw Johnny Cueto relatively effective. It's been it's been like four hundred seventy five days or something since Jacoby ellsbury played a major league game. Yeah. It's been a minute. Is tough. You know? Anyway, that was about Harper is that I like that there are like in the absence of somebody signing him. It's nice to get some teams that we haven't spent a whole offseason talking about it least being peripherally associated with him. Giants padres. Whatever. I like it. Is this story that tickled me? Says tickled by that's all can't tickled too old now to be tickled lane. I'll be tickled. Aaron judge. Did you see him talking to TMZ? Bryce Harper wants to come to New York, by the way, I'm not I'm not convinced that. Bryce Harper to the Yankees is like some sort of impossibility why because you saw the Instagram post with with shaved. No. I don't think anything to do that. I think it's more just the longer. I think the longer is out there. The more susceptible is not the right word and likely isn't the right word either. But I think that the the reality of a shorter term deal is becoming more possible. If that's the case, I can definitely see the Yankees being like, you know, what on the short term. Why not why feel like I feel like Cashman is do that. You just do not want to give the opportunity for him to come in. I feel like he's a do that can get something done extremely quickly. If he feels like his target is sort of in a position with with their backup against the wall. And he could dangle the. Success in the short term in front of a guy like rice Arbor, knowing that he very well could be a piece that puts him or a piece that puts that team over the edge in the AL as it sits right now if you're looking at take down the Boston Red Sox Bryce, Harper's guy who very well could help in that plight as far as making room for hitting. That's what they think like making making room for him though. Like, what's that? Look like if that's the case. I mean, that's a gardener. I understand bringing back Gardner. Why not? But yeah, I mean you'd have to like Joe Carlson's fulltime D H get Aaron judge in in right field. Bryce Harper centerfield. Right. Yeah. Like what? No, what about a Dickerson? I mean, they it's a good problem to have obviously if you're the Yankees, it's hey, we have way too many superstars like what do we do? Yeah. I just don't I mean? Yeah. The only way you're making room for Bryce Harper's. If you're hiring a contractor to actually physically build a fucking space for him to hang out in like build him a room. That's about the only way you're making room for Bryce Harper. I mean, we joked about the ellsbury thing already hips God. What are you gonna do? With Koby ellsbury like he's if you don't train them like what are you gonna do? Who cares if he's just dead money? But what you just release them. Wouldn't. Yeah. At this point in time. I don't think Cashman is is afraid to make that move. You know, what I mean Sonny gray? Obviously there was something to be had there. There was a there is a return there. But he was still very quick to to let it be known. Look we're trying to get out from underneath this. We're trying to move on. So with ellsbury should there be a suitor? He's probably all over it. Should there? Not be an it's a matter of clearing up a roster spot for a potential deal. Like that. I see no reason whatsoever. Cashman would not cash out Jacoby ellsbury. Yeah. I mean, Hicks Hicks. The typically was one of the best outfielders in the game last year. Yes. That's that's why I don't know. Why said Dickerson because Dickerson had a great years? Well, and I was still baffled that they buckled trade away a guy like him. But yeah, that's why I'm going where do you? What what do you make room? I don't know. I mean has anyone has anyone changed their stance on where Bryce operas going to end up knowing that the Padres in giants have somewhat entered the mix here. Nope. Now, we still Philly across the board. Would be my pick. If I had to Dallas. No, I mean, I believe. I believe that Bryce Harper. I mean, oh, man. What do you believe? Because someone that's about to say, this is what I believe by. Fuck just I feel like they don't actually believe what they're about to say. Because I I mean, do you still think it's an impossibility for him to go back to Washington? No, I wouldn't have I would say tell me if this is a bizarre take the fact that the giants are now involved, I have them as like second in the power rankings for most likely destinations Philly, San Francisco and Washington is still have. I still have Washington. I think it's going to be Washington. I just I really do. I really do. But like isn't there doesn't it say just a little bit? The fact that he already had ten years three hundred million on the table from them. And he was like now, look, I'm not a that doesn't mean honestly that much to me because I know that that was just a matter of saving face for the organization, and that conversation was probably had behind closed doors. Like, look we're going to come at you with this. All right. We understand that. This is probably not what you wanna hear because there's no options involved, there's incentives involves this is just about us sort of having to approach you with this. We know that you're going to go the route of free agency. This is kind of what we were willing to do. So this is a great starting point for you to enter free agency with on our behalf, you know, that you have at least this heading into the offseason. So he's. Tested, the waters. He's had the conversations. He's continuing to entertain these conversations. And I believe that San Francisco San Diego entering the equation does two things it starts to peak interest in a potential shifted gears. Maybe the short term higher a V deal. That might present itself is a way that they go because they haven't found what they're looking for via the ten year deal or an eight-year chunky deal. Whatever it might be. That's that's something that I think that does. Like the chunky deal of on before. It's new to me. Buying tickets much. Like the Bryce Harper free agency situation, it could be complicated and confusing. But there is a simpler way to buy in that is with seek seek is the smartest easiest way to get tickets to every type of live event, whether you're catching your favorite musician on tour shopping for the perfect gift or searching for a last minute deal to see your favorite team. Seek helps you find the best seats at the best prices fully guaranteed. 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And now as I went back I noticed that Jay put a little put a little caveat here, which was at each position. So these names are playing. Yeah. Yeah. Players can be whatever. Yeah. So I mean, I'll go with my all name team by position. And this doesn't include any modern day players. As in my current playing. But without without further ado, crazy name all named team. If you will starting at first base razor, shines razor shines starting at second base. Stubby clap yet, she was short. There's a pill for that shortstop. None other than my man. That's right, shiny, Jack glass. Cock. At third base. You looks a little sleepy but don't sleep on him. All possum whitted. You thirsty for L fielders, God just the man for you. That's right, bud. Weiser that real, oh, that's real. That's real and in the aero of shooting your shot this man right here. Well, let's just say all Johnny dick shot. Johnny ditch grade aim and. Lubrication never heard anybody and this young man here. Well, he didn't abai Jared oral STI coots. Yeah. Coats and baseball cards somewhere starting catcher on my own name team here. He's not the greatest Tony suck. How do you spell that s u c k? Yeah. All on the mound starting for my own name team. He might forget the count at times. And you might forget how many outs there are during the inning. He might actually forget where the fuck he is. John's but on the mound is Lil Stoner. Oh, we'll stone her that makes up that makes up my own name team. Jared. You got him. You want me name a few? Well, I got some honorable mentions. But Jay if you have an actual lineup bad. No. I don't have a lineup. I've got I've got a list of I actually have a decent Dallas named a lot. I've got a decent number that. He didn't. He didn't out. Okay. I was gonna say because I also took the time to create an all innuendo team. If. That out there too. Dallas did not have Pete look his team. He's actually batting leadoff on. My all in you. Followed up by the second place better pussy Tibo. Yeah. Pussy Tibo hitting second on the all innuendo Teac batting third all innuendo team. Dick, Padden Padden swinging in the three hole and right behind him. This man can really roll the pole. That's right. Dick pole. Dick. Dip patent and making another appearance on the all innuendo team. Johnny dick shot. You'll love him. You know, and this one might come as a surprise. Some might even say a shocker urban shocker on the all innuendo team followed up by the meat and potatoes of the lineup. Jared. This man's a big hitter. Heavy johnson. That's right. Heavy johnson. You wanna talk this guy here. Switch hitter switch hitter. Dick, Cox, dick. Stick cox. Yeah. And this guy right here, you'll love to see him rounding third because you know, he's candy Cummings home. That's right. Candy Cummings and one of my favorites, here sloppy Thurston sloppy Thurston. Yeah. You ought to you. You wanna take her home? Trust me, sloppy Thurston. I mean, Johnny Johnny dick shot is just an all timer. That's number one. No, what about dick Hoover thought that dick Hoover buttercup Dickerson. I played with booth Banzer. I played with CoCo crisp a part of the organization that the storied hall of Famer catfish hunter. Yeah. You part of awesome fucking named cabinet under. This is probably my favorite though. Three fingerboard ACI Brown. Love me some three finger because he's on some of those good lists. Why was it that baseball players always had the most fucked up names? Is because it's a nickname. I don't know. It's a nickname world. The some of these names are like real like, Greg Legg. Yeah. He was a second baseman, Greg leg. My single favorite. What is it from nineteen forty two forty six? He played for the Jews is name was Ed Ed head. Head life for that nickname. That name nickname. Ed fucking Edward had was a reliever for the Tigers, Al Albuquerque Albuquerque. Yeah. Yeah. Francesa didn't think he's getting punked. His name's Albuquerque, cookie funny. That's funny. The. We footer. Doc in red do it. Well, all right. If you guys could form an a twenty five man roster with any one division baseball, which division. Would you? Choose. Off the top of your head doesn't need to be comprehensive answer. It's I don't lie. I don't like that douse Sidon. Okay. It's the right answer to set ill central. The. Jared Jesus called down. Yeah. It is. It's an. Followed in my opinion, closely by the NFL, east eighty west, and then I can see that. And then the NL central now, I would say I'd say Eli's ale west and Elliot's before you put in the AOL central. No, I'm not no the ale ale central was. That's obviously, that's obviously last year. I didn't say ale central saying. Yeah. Aol west excuse me ale east AOL west in Elston job. That would be my talk three. Beautiful a degree. Kind of debating a little bit. I don't think it's so hot only it's so clear cut. It is the alias. You're basically taking nobody from the Orioles your base. This sale. Luis severino. Blake snell. I wouldn't take anybody from Toronto or Baltimore. But you could still have a Cy Young award winner. Everywhere. You could have you could have David price. Chris sale Luiz. Oh loose. Every has one months of that. Blake snell. Rick. I mean that's five right there. That's I'm just saying the the NL central especially that offense might be lacking on the pitching side a little bit. But that offense would be pretty devastating coming out of the central yelich and Kane and Bryant and bias, and Rizzo and Goldschmidt. Ooh. And Bado and Swoboda's. Yeah. At least get. Like an key bets. JD Martinez L E Aaron judge Giancarlo Stanton. I mean, that's who. Andrew benintendi. To be talking to just back down. You don't have to here's one. This is one will probably get into with greater specificity when we do our season preview. But how many teams right now will break one hundred wins this season. Four five. You know, what I got a hot take? One. The Houston Astros. That is a hot take. Yeah. I think I think the Red Sox and Yankees is going to be more like, you know, ninety five to ninety eight wins. Gonna win a hundred again, I thought about that just because of how I don't wanna say how crazy it was because the less. I mean, the as sure a surprising amount of wins. I think by you know, in hindsight, you didn't expect that to happen. Obviously Swe away from the hundred win Mark. But I thought that the Red Sox and Yankees. Beating up on each other. If you will are playing each other might take away from that total because it's nineteen times throughout the course of the season. But that's not so much that the rest of the division doesn't present itself as a sort of stepping stone. If you will. I'm not saying I'm not just counting the days in the raise out. But you know, you have to play the game. But I think that that still presents an opportunity for the Yankees and the Red Sox to hit that hundred win Mark. I think the Braves and the NATs could be in that same position. I mean that that division is going to be so much better though. I think they're gonna all beat up on each other next year. Yeah. Because the Mets are not, you know, the Mets are the Mets like where they're at Gerry. I'm getting us. Come get us. All right. Final question. When will the twenty nineteen predictions podcast. The will I have to wait until the end of spring training. Yeah. Pretty close to the end. Right. Yes. Gonna see football. You don't wanna do your draft with a month and a half left to go before the season starts, injuries happen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You wanna see how things shake out at least let me know where fucking Harper Machado. We're going, right. We need. We need to have rosters. We need to have a rotation in place. And then we can we can I would say look for that around mid-march. Yeah. Like the landing spot of Harper Machado is I mean that would be pivotal in the NL east predictions. Like once we get to the NFL how fucked we supposed to break down. We know where those two are. Hell, yeah. So be patient. Like what if the Mets what if the Mets are mystery team that ends up with Machado? Now, we're having a completely different discussion that we would have otherwise. Final thoughts. Final thoughts while one week away from spring training? We made it I didn't think we were gonna make it. But we made it all not yet. But we're about to make it and I'm excited. I can't wait to get to Arizona. I'm looking forward to meeting a lot of the grounds crew that's out there in in Arizona for spring training again. Shoutout to the brace fans that that came out to the Ivy for for Super Bowl week lot of excited. Baseball fans. It was crazy was Super Bowl week. And I saw I saw significantly more Braves jerseys than I saw LA Rams jerseys. Oh, no doubt. No doubt baseball season this year. I think two things one because the patriots were sort of the team that everybody wanted to see fail. Once they got to the Super Bowl people were like, all right? Just get this over with so baseball season starting now because as I've started to refer to it as it's fucking Brady bowl at this. Point. Right. Like, all right. We know what's going to happen. It's just roll the patriots out and berry and call it a season. So everybody's ready to roll in ready to roll the Braves. They're ready to roll they've had an earlier rival of stars show up. So they're excited about baseball once again out there in Georgia. So let's John John. Jay. I'm ready for the season. I'm ready for Harper battered assign and I'm ready for the crack of the bat on the grass. Yeah. I mean, I just I try to explain it to people that just don't get it. When it's during baseball season. I am go go go go go and then baseball season ends, and I have to almost make this transition back to civilian life. And I don't know how it's like being a police dog like I'm just I'm trained to attack and then baseball season stops. And now, I gotta be cuddly puppy. I can't do that. I have all this energy. And I don't know where to put it. And now baseball season's going back. I know exactly where to put it Dallas take off your leashes spring trading, and it's gonna be fucking free Roman rocket cannot, wait. We'll see you next week with a billion interviews coming up. As a result of the epic. First effort starting nine spring training road trip will see out there.

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The Grifter

Decoder Ring

51:51 min | 2 years ago

The Grifter

"Podcast contains explicit language. Brett Johnson a career criminal cyber fraudster. And conman has a lot to regret those this this horrible horrible guy. Over more than a decade Brett scam people in person on the side of a road with these buckets, you know, give to the needy. Abused children. You know signs like that collecting money. He scammed people online pick up a black sharpie, go home start signing. Sammy sosa. Mark McGwire signatures to these baseball's. So. Certificates of authenticity list. These things on EBay for sixty dollars a piece sell every single one scammed merchants. Banks and the government learned how to launder money internationally that point. I was stealing one hundred sixty thousand a week on income tax fraud credit card fraud, identity theft, passing counterfeit checks playing a pivotal role in early online criminal. Marketplace's Griffiths cons bread has done. All of these things ripping off hundreds if not thousands of people in the process. From a moral perspective. Brett steeds are terrible. But from a storytelling perspective, their material his criminal exploits make for a rollicking yard that has the arc of a movie. Like catch me if you can sequences from a heist film, a protagonist straight out of an anti hero drama and a happy ending, maybe. And we first started reporting on Brett, that's what we were intrigued by how good his story was as entertainment. But as we dug in bread story became significantly, less fun. Not because we discovered Brett was lying to us the because people are complicated. And so our stories. Scammers con-artists we feel like they're all around us right now fire festival theranos the summer of scam. The people involved in these types of things don't just have this Natick pills. They tell fascinating tells. That's what they do. Tell you a story you can believe in even if you shouldn't Brett Johnson was one of the first wave of criminals to figure out how the internet could be exploited for financial gain. But he was also the kind of guy who could talk people into things and out of them. This storytelling ability is one Brett still uses to this day. In fact, it's his job. Now threat is a legal person operating on the right side of the law as a speaker and consultant advising businesses on hundred protect themselves from cybercriminals like him. In today's episode. We're going to deconstruct Brett story. I by letting you enjoy it. And then by taking it apart to see how it works decoder ring a show about cracking cultural mysteries, I'm Willett Askin every. We take a cultural question habit or idea crack open and try to figure out what it means. And why it matters today? How do you tell a good Griffith story? Breath. Johnson was born in nineteen seventy I'm from hazard Kentucky right in the middle of the heart of coal country. It's one of these areas that unemployment is high. If you're not fortunate enough to have a decent job, you might be involved in some sort of fraud or crime growing up his home. Life was financially and emotionally volatile. And dominated by his mother. My mom was basically the captain of the fraud industry for that city at one point. She she stole a one hundred eight thousand pound Caterpillar, did I am bulldozer. At another point. She took a slip and fall on a convenience store and try to the owner when back first starts talking about his mom. She sounds like a larger than life rascal who wouldn't be out of place on TV show like justified, but she was more complicated than that. She calls me. And my sister into the bedroom. She looks at his shoes. Like, I really love you guys. And we're like, yes. Mom. She's like, I'm gonna show you how much I love you. So she takes a cigarette that's live and pretends to burn herself on the arm with it. She sits an pretends to burn herself. She's like, this is how much I love you. I still remember that man. I was like, but you're pretending to burn yourself breath. Denise who the year younger than him tells many of the same stories that he does where he tells them with a laugh her versions are darker put teachers in the living room in front of the couch. She'd sit on the couch and put us in the chairs in front of her. And she'd say, there's a devil inside me look into my eyes and fight the devil because it's saying I should kill you. These things would go on not for five or ten minutes. They would go on forever. Like, you'd be sitting there, two hours or more crying begging her not to kill us. That's what I remember. Those are the things that I remember our childhood. Their mother frequently left them for long periods of time periods when they didn't always have enough to eat. It was around this time that brought began stealing so mama been gone for few days, though, food in the house, the nays walks in one day, she's got a pack of pork chops with her that I took a pack a pork chop. I didn't I still pack a ham that I'm like Where'd you get that? She looks up. She's like I stole them. I'm like, you know, that's a good idea show mail. You did that. So she takes over to the AMP and shows me she's still in food and we start stealing food. So back up and done on her show. They've got things like wait a minute. Where did they get that? So my brother trying to cover said we found him. And so she looks at me and says where did that come from? Up and says, no we stole it. Mom looks at us. And she was like show me how you did that joins us. Then not only does she join us. She goes up up stairs and gets her mom to join us as well. So we, you know, it's me and my sister, my mom, and my grandmother taking these road trips to shoplift as I got older Denise got out her honesty and her anger helped her she's a teacher with particularly attentive to kids growing up in difficult circumstances, but Britain ever stop scamming for long, even as he went to college and got married here. For example, what happened after he started a straight job that also involved talking people into things. So I started raising money for Shriner's club for the kuwata's club about three weeks. And I'm like, you know, I can do this stuff myself so idiot Brad Johnson goes off and creates his own Kawana 's club starts calling people himself collecting money. Of course, I'm not giving him money charity whatsoever. Eventually breakfast his way online to a whole new set of crimes like EBay fraud. I'm watching inside edition one night. They've got a show on beanie babies. They're profiling this one peanut oil blue elephant that was selling fifteen hundred dollars on EBay of all places. And I'm sitting there going, you know, I need to find me a peanut can't find him. But they've got these little gray beanie, baby. Elephants for eight dollars by one of those go home and try to die the little guy. Get through with him. You look like he's got the mange. So I find a picture of a real one online posted on the ad lady thinks I've got the real thing. And she she wins the bid I sent her notice soon as she wins at. I'm like, hey, we. We've never done business. I don't know if I can trust him what I need you to do is to semi US postal money water. Once that clears all send you your elephant. I cash out center that blue issue elephants, and he mmediately get a call. She was like, I didn't order this thing. And I was like lady you order to blue elephant. I sent you a blue ish elephant. This in various other scams, we're bringing in so much cash. The Brittany that a place to put it all but in order to open Bank accounts online in other people's names. Which is what he wanted to do. He needed fake ID the only site he could find online selling anything legal at all. It was called counterfeit library which specialized largely in fake diplomas after spending a couple of weeks on its sparsely populated forum. Another user messaged him to say he could get Brett fake, driver's license. If you're going to do this stuff online, you have to get to the point where you trust someone a said, so I'm gonna charge two hundred dollars. But I'm gonna send you a d-. So I sent him two hundred dollars cinema picture two weeks later. I get an idea in the name of Stephen Shwak when I get it. I think it's the prettiest thing in the world. I'm like man that is going to do some work right there became the reviewer for counterfeit library. The guy who tries out all of the illegal wears sees if they work or don't and then reviews them on the site this review model help counterfeit library to grow quickly. And it became one of the seeds of the criminal marketplaces that still exists today. How exactly here is a pocket history of the very early online criminal forums constructed with the help of Kim. Zetter a longtime national security and cyber security journalist. Okay. You take your English language forums like counterfeit library, which honestly or mostly for teens. They really started with false ideas. You know, the the usual teenagers thing of getting a false ide- to get alcohol or giving someplace that. You can't go you add them Russian-language fraudsters who have huge troves, personal information and credit card data, and what you get is English language. Forums also using the review system devoted to credit card fraud at an unprecedented scale that's not a word, but the massification of this kind of fraud one of these early high profile forums was called shadow crew. And it really became this international floor for people from South America people from Europe for fraudsters from the Middle East. It became this community for them to meet online and devise new ways to commit fraud. Brett was a high level administrator and manager on shadow crew to this day, his affiliation. With shadow crew is what he is most known for and the cybercrime world. Shuttle crew facilitated the scamming of huge amounts of money at first though, scams involved using stolen credit card numbers online, but the scammers had pin numbers two. And that meant that if they could figure out how to properly encode a credit card they could get money straight from ATM's, which we find out that exploit. We were making thirty four thousand dollars per day per person so much money. It was being stolen that law enforcement began paying close attention to shadow crow this spooked brat. So we started looking for another scam. What he settled on with something called tax identity fraud electronically. Filing taxes for dead people. This was not as hard as it should have been. I got a list of dead people. With identifying information like their social security number eight eleven hundred dollars for the CD's that have the entire California death registry. On it figured out that the federal government did not know the most of the people on this list were dead prior to nineteen ninety eight took the family to apply for social security death into but that benefit has to be filed for the United States government to to record the person has deceased. So he started filing electronically turns ten forty easies for those dead people. I didn't need real street numbers or anything like that. It took ten to twelve business days for the refund to clear in short order. He's running something like a business a very lucrative often-tedious scam. Follow tax return, manually one. Every six minutes did that from Sunday through Wednesday eight to ten hours a day two hundred returns week on Thursday. Take a road trip out of. ATM's Friday and Saturday, I would cash out to two hundred sixty thousand dollars a week one hundred fifty of it would fit in a backpack. Carry high score, college classes, I'd come home Charleston, South Carolina and had a spare bedroom that backpack. I'd open up bedroom. Just Chuck the backpack rela making so much money that he started to do the kind of things that you see in mob starts by me going in the bathroom one day. And I simply that a couple of twenty will that turns into having ten thousand dollars twenty is bathroom in the drawer. It was kind of a joke. So if I had a friend over anything, they will use the restroom, and I would know if they had been built through the doors by the look on his face when they came out of the bathroom. There's a saying in journalism about a story being too good to check which is basically when a detail is so perfect. So entertaining. You don't wanna know if it's not true. But I need to say here. I do not know this George will of cash, but is true. We fact check this episode, and almost everything we checked checked out. But there are some things that we could not confirm one way or another specifically having to do with more elaborate details of Brett's behavior. This story may be true. But we're including it because even if it's an exaggeration it gives you a sense of the type of guy Brett wants you to think that he was. Because Brett was making most of his money on fraudulent tax returns and was increasingly nervous about law enforcement sniffing around. He stepped away from shadow crew, which October of two thousand four was busted by the secret service. The government agency tasked with protecting financial systems. And so the one that deals with credit card fraud, identity theft counterfeiting, and so on all of the things that Brett was into twenty eight people from the US and six other countries were arrested. But Brett was not despite being mentioned, mostly by his username in many of the same documents as those who were. Around this time. Brecca divorced and subsequently got a new girlfriend who used as a justification for scamming more money. So we could buy her nice things. God that buys Lobo time. You know, it's not enough to tell somebody. I love him. I have to show it. But at that moment, his scamming options were limited due to taxis and ending and the shadow crew bust. So we started passing counterfeit cashier's checks. I go to pick up the the package from the UPS driver hand him the cashiers cheque's. He has the package I turn around. And there's the FBI police department everybody else with guns drawn. We've got you. I was restaurant Charleston that on February of two thousand five when I was arrested another story too. Good to check Brett says at the car he was driving at the time of his arrest had a wad of nine hundred seventy six two dollar bills inside of it. Once he was arrested. It didn't take long for the secret service to figure out who he was and take over the case agents from New Jersey fly down pulling out of the cell, and they're like, hey, we got your laptop. And I'm like, yeah. They're like, well, we know who you are. You got anything on your laptop? And I'm like, oh, yeah. And while you're going to be charged for everything they're like, I figured I would be. So then they look at me, and they're like anything you can do for us brat. Cut a deal. They agreed to let him out on a reduced bond. If he went to work for them as a paid confidential informant helping them infiltrate online criminal marketplace's which was not an entirely uncommon off our cybercriminals at this time in a flash Brett one from committing cybercrime to secretly helping stop cybercrime or that was the idea. Anyway, finally after three months that reduced the bond walk out. So I didn't have any money. I had thirty dollars by name point. I take thirty dollars, and I walk over to WalMart and buy a prepaid debit card. So I can start back in tax fraud. Again, I go work for the secret service for those ten months. I worked for them. I break law every single day often from inside of the secret service offices within sitting next to me during this period. Everything that Brett did on secret service computers. Was recorded. But he says after a few weeks, they stopped paying attention to the recordings. So I would make the context of the tax return fraud make context order prepaid. Debit cards to to cash out the tax return fraud talk to to people back credit card theft arranged for credit cards to be delivered to my address. The secret service eventually grew suspicious and gave him a polygraph, which he failed. They revoked his bond and sent him back to jail while they searched his apartment where needless to say they found lots of evidence of fraud. He'd also bought a number of computers using stolen credit cards and filed over one hundred bogus tax returns. At this point. Brett was in jail, and he should have stayed there. But instead he caught another break a state judge ruled that his bond had been improperly revoked which many got to leave naturally he made a run for it. Head out going west on interstate twenty no idea where I'm going to head two thousand dollars. I spend I think six or eight hundred dollars of that to to rent a hotel for two weeks. Then I go to kinko's everyday and start filing taxes way tax refunds work. They usually about three o'clock in the morning. So I wait until three o'clock morning praying that it's fun. Because don't I have no idea. What the hell I'm going to do. I have no money nothing else. So the cards to the tune of sixty seven thousand I go back around the ATM's start stuff. It all these twenties in this black garbage back and about six eight hours to withdraw money back to the hotel, and I'm like Santa Claus carrying this bag a cash back to tell room. This is over a four month span. Sign on Carter's market dot com. There's my name United States most secret service most wanted list, by the way. The more famous FBI's most wanted list. The Brett is never very careful about this distinction. They'll kick Brazil now can't get the passport to do that. So what can I do? So what do I do? I go to DisneyWorld I go to over though by the year pass to go to DisneyWorld and Universal Studios. And I'm there every single thing, you know, riding, the rides tour the place just taking it easy and not worrying about stealing money, displayed low. Saturday September sixteenth six. So I get this knock at the door like ten thirty in the morning on that Saturday look out people. No one's there. The hill man opened the door step out of the hallway. And there goes to South Carolina agents. A a sheriff's deputy Trump from Orange County in Florida. They're walking down the hall. They turn around on my. Hey, guys. They're like, hey, Bret that I'm like you guys wanna come in like sure, but let's put you in cuffs. I might gaffe figured. Some details that stand out to me from the tail end of this escapade and this information comes from law enforcement records is it at the time of his arrest bread had two hundred thirty thousand dollars in total assets on him which included one hundred fifty thousand dollars in cash and a twenty two thousand dollar DVD collection. You would think that having a life story that resembles a heist movie or an anti hero drama as DisneyWorld interlude does would only work in your favor. Not only are we culturally conditioned to have empathy for the leading men in these kinds of fictions were culturally conditioned to lose ourselves in their plot to be entertained and Bret has benefited from his life stories crazy twists and turns. It's opened up a lot of doors for him. It's why he's on this podcast, but the entertainment value of breath life also gives everything he says kind of fictional quality. It makes it feel like what he's saying. Can't quite be real Cancun. Be how things really happened. And to a certain extent, they're not how things happened not. Because Brad is a liar. But because his default storytelling mode is one of folksy humor. Where everything that's happened. Him is presented comedic -ly even stories about his childhood and his scams and his time in prison even stories about him being isolated in on the run and hopped up on toxic amounts of ego. But Brett story, it's not a comedy. And so we're going to pause the story for a bit with bread having just been arrested in Orlando and go back and look at some of the stuff the fun version of his story skipped over. From sleep show about philosophy that turns stories into ideas modern men is foam of deception bist description of ginger is is that it is a cage, maybe we should just outsources dire war after two seasons. Fi nation is coming to slate for season three with all new episodes starting on January thirty first that's H I P H I nation. You can find it wherever you get your podcasts. Asian philosophy in story form. Let's turn to the first ID that Bret God on counterfeit library. So send them two hundred dollars cinema picture two weeks later. I get an idea in the name of Stephen Shwak. My name is Steve sweaty. I had at one point in time. My driver's license stolen, ended up being a very painful experience for me after told us Steve's name we were able to track him down until we spoke with him. He had no idea who Johnson was back in the day of blockbuster one of the things you had to do like turning near driver's license, and they scanned it. And when I left I left it there, and I had no idea where it was forever. And by the time, I realize where it was it was gone. So kinda new drivers license. No big deal started with a new company. It was a national company and someone saw my name in a different state. And he's like, hey, you know, are you the same Steve swanky that I'm working with on EBay? He had an XBox that. He was selling or whatever at the time. It was he's like, you know, you need to pay for that. And like, dude, I I don't know you, and that's not me. So he then sent me a picture of my driver's license. He's like, well, you provided this and it was my driver's license. The rest of story plays out in the typical way for identity theft as a huge grueling hassle. It it put my name on the watchlist. And so I spent the next seven to ten years not being able to get instant credit having to be called at home to verify who I am having to fill out extra paper works. Oh, absolutely violation because you have to deal with all the inconveniences that it brings. Identity theft and credit card fraud or occasionally referred to as victimless crimes. The idea is that most instances the person whose identity has been stolen does not end up footing the Bill because credit card companies merchants and banks and paying it's often justification for the people who do this sort of crime. It's not really hurting anyone. But I think this perspective seeps out further than that. It's hard to imagine an armed robber hundreds of times over being given a chance to work for the secret service. It obviously didn't hurt brat in his interactions with law enforcement that he's white and that cybercrime and this sort of fraud has historically been a mostly Caucasian pursuit. But I think this perspective also seeps out to Brett's audience who are not as horrified by his crimes as they might be by others, and that can feel icky. It does to me how easy it can be forget to be out by what he did. I mean, this is also just is a storytelling problem where it's like, right? There's someone who has who's doing all the action. That's always the Mercer. You wanna watch? And then there's the person who has. The action onto them because the victim there would be no book if there were no victim. But the victims part in the book ends on page one. When he or she dies like, that's that's just the way that it is that's Beckel avoi-, a true crime, author and podcast are on her show. Crime writers on she talks a lot about why people love stories like this so much. Here's why you like this story. And here's why you feel good about it. This is what I think. Anyway. And I think this is true. With a lot of conman stories. We all wish that we had this superpower on some level. This is a superpower. It is a superpower to be able to fool people. I think there's a lot of truth to this. But I also want to be clear here that Brett was not just fooling people not just getting one over on the man, he did very bad things way worse than inconveniencing violating the privacy of hundreds. If not thousands of people and stealing money from banks businesses and the government, which are not in and of themselves small things shoes will Shabelle parent too. So in coin collection to put a roof on her house for her kids, and I stole that collection. She had it listed on EBay, and I was going through. I was paying with counterfeit cashier's checks. I think it was like seventy five hundred she had him for seldom Senator messages like, hey, Al, I'll buy those from you. And you know, we talked for three or four days if she's telling me what she's using the money for and everything else on I've got you covered. And she sends them out. So I pick them up, and I pay for it with a with a counterfeit cashier's check. There was another point where we had fished out probably sixty thousand different each rate accounts. We'd find someone with a fat portfolio. We'd sell everything they had we were destroying retirement accounts, everything else. And that's just the stuff that he knows about. Or just the stuff. He told us about we don't know what happened that woman after he robbed her, and we don't know what happened to all of the people he ripped off after he ripped off how it affected their lives. There's one more crime Brett committed you should know about. I'm fifteen. I for. Beat a woman open elsewhere as what happens how to this day. I don't I do understand. Why did I mean look back, and she was she was almost a carbon copy looks wise about mom and. I guess that. I didn't have any tools to to cope what was going on. Attack this woman. So I spent. Six months juvenile detention of that point. I still don't understand. Why why did that? That's that's bothered me. All my life. Really don't understand. Why why did that? When Bret told this to us, it was about twenty minutes into our first conversation, and it was unexpected in retrospect, while he was talking to things we're going on in my mind at once one my perception of him was changing into someone worse. Someone capable of this kind of islands, but also someone who was way more fucked up. But the second thing that was going on while he was talking was that I was surprised in a good way that he was being so open that he wasn't just telling us the same stories. He tells it conferences and on his blog. I was glad for the purposes of our story that he was being Solna Rable because when you're telling this kind of story whether like brat, you're telling about yourself or your us telling an audience about him, you want people to hear this kind of remorse. It's part of what makes this larger story and every story about a reformed criminal work the evidence of change. I'm not saying that I think Brett was being coldly calculating. He told us this. But I do think he wants to be open about his guilt and his shame. Because if he's not how else would we know that his guilt and his shame are there. I thought about this story and his decision to share it with us a lot. It's not something. We would have come across in our research. So I asked him about it. The next time that we spoke. You know, the elevator story that you told us I cannot figure out why you told us that story I told you this story, and it's been this process of me wanting to to just just wanted to get it out. So first person I told it to this last is like four five months ago. I was sitting there, and I was like, you know, if they're gonna if they're gonna do something wanted to know who Brett Johnson is than by God, they're gonna know everything and. That's why told her why told you guys is your slate magazine. And I'm Mike by God. If you're gonna know Brett Johnson, you're going to know everything. So I don't think that it's that it's worth hiding anymore. Just get it out. If. And let the chips fall where they may. What I've noticed as we've played these clips for people is not everybody reacts to help. Brett sounds here in the same way. Some people find this mode when he seems extremely distraught to be persuasive. But other people really do not everyone seems to have their own line when he slips over from sounding appropriately emotional into narcissism, which is maybe why despite the two most recent clips Brett tends to tell his stories with humor. He doesn't have to his sister. For example, tells a lot of the same stories in different darker tone, but comedy is a way to shield everyone himself, but also audience from the unvarnished awfulness of what he's done engaging with all that darkness. It's no fun for anyone if the laugh about it didn't if I couldn't find some sort of some sort of weird just black humor about it. I really don't don't think that I could cope with it at all. You know, I think Becca the people that. But I didn't even know that I heard without coming at it with from angle of trying to find some humor of about coming in that way. I don't know if I could do that. Okay. So we're gonna press play on Brad story now just to recap despite having been arrested multiple times for massive amounts of fraud bread had been given a chance by the secret service to turn his life around without going to jail. He had frittered that chance away and then gone on the run all stealing additional hundreds of thousands of dollars at the time of his rearrest. Then in two thousand six in Orlando, he seems pathologically incapable of accepting responsibility or making any kind of real change. And he can't or won't stop stealing. He was indicted on thirty seven counts, and he pled guilty to four of them having to do with density theft tax return fraud and paying for a Rolex with a counterfeit check. He was sentenced to seventy five months in jail a little over six years in order to pay three hundred thirty two thousand eighty dollars and thirteen cents in restitution. But Brett was not finished just yet seventy five months. Why promised myself I'd told everybody if I get any more than sixty months, I'm not staying. Look at the garden. I'm like, hey, man. Are there any other jobs outside of the fats? Brett joins the landscaping crew. Then he gets an accomplice to drop off a package for him. And I get my package. Dress out drop the prison clothes in the woods. Pound leave. There was a cell phone in the package like I've got a car waiting to be serviced and call attacks. He wanted to go far I'm wanting to to catch a greyhound as far as I can. But he only had his own ID, which you didn't want to us. So we ended up at a motel two hundred miles from prison. Meanwhile, I go back to the the California death and that lasted about three weeks from the hotel room one day. And I've got the curtains open, and I see go walk by the room. He walks by stops turns around looks at any points of the door like now. So I opened the door news. Like Brett Johnson. I'm like, yeah. He's like. US marshals you're under arrest like figure. Brett was taken back to jail while he was awaiting resentencing. His sister came to visit him should this. Oh me. After I scape and get called base gets in the car, and drives that seven hours to come. See your dumbest brother for a ten minute. Visit. So tell me she loves me. I really have anybody about point. So when when you came back, you know, it was. I've gotta make I gotta do something. I gotta change. What's what's going on? The judge gave brat and additional fifteen months in prison. But he did something else too. You see at the time of his rearrest in Orlando. Brett learned the one way to get time off a sentence was to have a drug problem. So he had faked a drug problem going so far as to right along handwritten. Sob story blaming his problems on this phony addiction. Yes, I went right back to my cocaine addiction. Why many reasons all my own fault? It boiled down to it was easier to do that than face the tragedy. My life had quickly become so I found a scape. The only place I knew at the bottom of a bottle and the end of a line and the judge looking over Brett's records saw all this evidence and ordered him into a drug treatment program. That's the best lie that I've ever told my life rather to get in that program turns out it wasn't about drug abuse whatsoever. Your in the special unit from nine months and twenty four seven it's nothing. But. Getting you understand that your thoughts determine your feelings, your feelings determine your actions and take responsibility for who you are. And what you've done and over time. It got to the point where Bret Johnson had to face his demons and and mistakes everything else, and they they really helped me with that. Breath time in jail more generally seem to finally change something for him to work not just as punishment. But as rehabilitation to about two and a half years out there big spring for me to get to the point of of realizing that I didn't break the law because of family or wife broken because I chose to break. Breath got out in two thousand eleven the conditions of parole meant that he was not allowed to touch a computer for three years which made it hard for him to find work. Got to the point. I was trying to ply for fast food. Well, no, that's a computer. You can't do that. Okay. Well, what about a waiters position? No, that's a computer end credit cards idiot can't do either. So I could get a job prejudic- bummed money from his dad and sister for a while he had a roommate who covered most of the rent everyone in prison had kept telling him once he got out to get something that he really cared about. So we got a cat, and despite being truly at this point the opposite of a catch heat, a friend set up an online dating profile for him. A woman responded, and they made a plan to meet ten minutes. Governor sation literally Ted medicine. She looks over at Ben shoes. Like, what's the worst thing you've ever done? Like well. Well, I just got out of federal prison. Now, really, you know, really what's worse eve ever done. He said I really spent five and a half years of prison. I'm like, no, I'm serious getting really as I really did at that point. I just sat there's an oh. Okay. That's her. Her name is Michelle Johnson. It was the most unusual first date. I've ever had. We sat there and talked for several hours. He told me everything that had happened. And that there and he said, I really like you a by to see you again is generally tell everybody that. I I meet about myself. So that way you can make decision for yourself as to whether or not you want to continue knowing me or not he's I would like to see you base it on leave it up to you. I was so impressed by his just his honesty and just being very just laying it out there. None. No, no pity. No self, you know, no sob story. No poor. What was made? It was just very just very matter of fact, this is what I did. This is the process paid for. This is what I'm doing now. And I felt that if somebody could be that open honest on her first day than I was definitely intrigued to get to know him better. I just want to point out here. The Michelle is saying the thing that drew her to brat was the way he told her his story matter of factly with no self pity presumably with some humor and telling her that story it was a risk. I mean, that's a lot for a first date, but at the risk with a lot of upside potentially because confessing to how shifty you are. It makes you seem less shifty telling people the awful truth about yourself. It makes you seem less awful. And all of that is in just true on a first date. The Michelle and brat got together. And eventually they told her kids and her parents about Brett's history, and they accepted it Brett moved in. He'd finally managed to get a job mowing lawns. But I you know, I was happy man shows there. I was I was doing something. And what happened is is. You don't wanna gets cold? You can't mow the grass. So the job ends. And so I'm sitting there going Machel's all when work, and I got I got to do something, man. I got it. I got I got shore that I'm. I gotta show her that I'm worth. I'm like, you know, at least I can at least I bring food in the damn house. So I got credit cards and stolen credit cards and start ordering food. And then the boys needed close start on. Why can save the money on clothes? So I start ordering close for the boys dead. Become suspicious at but he did save. Now. This is this is from my dad, my dad, helping us out and in my heart. I really wanted to believe him. It wasn't until we were getting ready to go up to Birmingham for my mom's birthday. And I get a phone call my home from work, and it's a police officer. And he said that they had arrested brat. And I asked what for and he had said for carting. I was just absolutely stunned. No, no, not brat. No. He wouldn't do that. It was a very very dark time. And I had a lot of people telling me that I should cut him loose and Toronto walkaway. But I couldn't do that. Because I knew I knew Brett anew the person that he is. I mean, I'm a Christian, and I believe that you're supposed to forgive people for their mistakes. I felt that he could still be a productive good member of society and be I know in his heart. He is a good, man. I find Michelle's faith in brat, moving she trusts herself. And she trusts him. And she trusts in second chances. She makes it all seems simple hard. But simple her believe in him feels like it's to his credit, and that means that his heartfelt as she is. She's also doing something so many women have done in stories of criminal rehabilitation before her. She's providing the protagonist with the love of a good woman her decency acting as a kind of proof of his own when Brett went back to jail Michelle stood by the entire time. When he was released they got married speaking. With Michelle underscored to me is not the only person in the story whose life really depends on whether or not he can stay clean, and my sense is that going clean is not as simple as just changing your job in some regards stopping Griffing is similar to recovering from drug abuse or gambling addiction because it's not about money. It's about the high. By the ego boost of getting over on someone on something. This is why getting addiction treatment seem so important to me. But even with it going clean is not easy, and maybe not even possible depending on who you ask out of the people that I encountered in multiple years of work on con artists. I've never met one who's actually gone clean, including ones who've had multiple opportunities to do. So that's Maria Konakov psychologist and staff writer at the New Yorker who has written two books about conman, including the confidence game why we fall for it every time she has never met brat. And at a certain point in reporting the story, that's exactly why wanted to talk to someone who has never heard Brad. I can't even count on you know, hands feet. I don't know. How many times I've had con artists? Tear up went telling me these horrible nomads from their past. And the things that make them who they are. And all all I can say these days is just. Bullshit. This may be wishful thinking on my part, but I'm not sure Bret can be described entirely as a con man someone who in Konakov definition takes advantage of other people's confidence in them for their own personal gain. He certainly has conned people including the entire secret service, but especially later in his criminal career. He was largely committing crimes ripping people off electrically without ever interacting with them at all my hope is only that he's actually much more like a fraudster the man like like like, I'm just like, oh, maybe a little bit misidentified him has both tendencies. But I do think the most of what he did was fraud at this point. But he, but it was fraught over very long period of time over long over lots of people. He seems like he's probably not one of the best con artists. He's been in jail. So many times the best con artists are hardly ever caught. And I think a lot of them just aren't never caught period. It's so interesting because it's like I'm like, I just wanna to him. So I'm just like. Dr. I don't even know what this person like I have no skin. And I just like, yeah. We we want to believe in the best in people. As you can tell from this exchange at some point in reporting, the story, I really began to want to believe Brad to believe that he's changed, but he's reformed. Historical worked on me. Even though I am aware of all the ways that works as a story, and that's a very strange kind of head space to be in. It's like a rabbit hole where I can't figure out my emotions had been manipulated or it matters that they've been manipulated if I react to read story in a way that is sympathetic to him. That is useful to him. That makes me feel used his stories are just tactics to elicit a certain response, but something can be tactical and truthful at the same time, right? I do think that Brett must have known that. He had a pretty good chance of persuading me his transformation is for real. After all, that's the typical reaction to his story, which is compelled so many people to help him. There's the FBI agent. He reached out to of all people on Lincoln when his probation was over. Brought describes Usman as the most well-versed good guy on cybercrime on the planet and hit encountered brat back when he was affiliated with shadow crew. She cinema message not no idea if he's going to respond him a message, you know, hey, I respect every single thing. You did. You did a great job. Just wanted you to know that. And by the way, I'd like to be a legal person and. He responded within just a few hours. As guys sends a message back on. I mean, never hesitated at all. He's like, I Gotcha ends up giving advice references. This referenced help brat make more connections in two thousand sixteen. He sent a linked in message to career Hendrix, who has an anti-fraud expert. I checked him out. And what I thought was most interesting about his lingam profile. It was his former work history actually listed shadow crew. On there with the dates and everything and wow, this guy either has huge balls or he's lying. I was intrigued. So I responded back to him and said, you know, he told me a little bit about your story. Chris was most intrigued because she also hires. Keynote speakers for anti-fraud conferences, and she thought Brett might make a good speaker. If she could trust him, I really trust a lot, and my gut those of us who are in fraud prevention have had to really learn how to hone our gut and just know is a good guy is a bad guy. So we had several phone conversations is well, I took a pretty big risk. I figured okay. Even if he bombed as a public speaker, this is still a really cool thing to have somebody with experience come in and talk about it, and he didn't bomb it at all. It was one of the best presentations of ever seen and that was the beginning of Brett's career as a speaker and cyber security consultant the crew who still working today. He regularly appears at conferences where gives presentations designed to help companies and individuals protect themselves that are full of many of the stories. You've just heard here. He is at a Ted ex conference in Paris in nineteen ninety six I committed my first cybercrime beanie babies in the nineteen nineties. These things were the high priced collectible this one peanut the Royal blue elephant sold for fifteen hundred dollars fifteen hundred dollars. I'd buy cheap grail of for eight dollars. Chris and Brad are good friends. Now, even co host a podcast aimed at preventing cybercrime. What's the pattern? So that we can try to stop it. All y'all being rounded one zip goat. I cannot stress enough, but that's one of the telltale signs of fraud. Brad insists that he's never going to break the law. Again, do you think you will never do it again? No. I'm not going to do it again. But I find Brett certainty a lot less convincing than I do his remorse. Not just about what he's done. But about where he's ended up the weird thing to do. With me is I look back at all the stuff that I've went through from the abuses of child the people that have victimized. Friends and family that I've heard everything else the that work that we ran up. We'll get all this stuff. And I sit there and I'm like, okay. The. Good part of the reason that I'm here is because of Bette life that I live them and. I really don't know. What to think about that? I have a good life. I have a good good family. I have. I have friends real friends for the first time. Thirty some years. So I came along way. But I. I still don't really know what it's hard for me to reconcile the the damage done with with the lifestyle that I have now I don't I don't really feel right about do. You think? Do you think that you deserve forgiveness? No. No, I don't think I did anything to to deserve type of life. But I'm vamp grateful for it. One of the questions lurking. Inside of this episode is the one about why we are so compelled by stories like this stories of Griffin's of conmen, a bad, Ben gone, good. And there are so many answers to that including these sorts of people are as Rebecca avoid mentioned unseemly, superheroes of a sort. But there's more than it's easy and sometimes satisfying to feel superior to their victims. They can seem like dark mayors to so much legitimate, hustling, a kind of logical conclusion to a twisted capitalism a dangerous, but not too dangerous point of identification. But I think the skips right over something so obvious, it can sound stupid or Tarawa tickle, which is that everything else aside looking only plot and movement and arc. They're good shiny stories. And this before all of the other stuff that pulls us in. There's a sunny thing about stories about how if you tell them in the right way, they can do all of this work for you. The can make all of this change, even though they can't change what already happened if a person convincingly talks about taking responsibility for their actions for not blaming others. We in turn blame them less. Just by saying he doesn't deserve forgiveness. Brett teams so much more deserving of forgiveness. And this is the core. Conundrum of Brett Johnson how much can you trust his talk? Does it reflect his silver tongue or his soul is telling a great story or the truth? Can it be both? One of the other questions lurking inside all of this is one about reform. How do we know or how do we judge if someone is and mostly what we have to rely on is their words and their deeds is still paying off his restitution, Chrissy think that Brett's current work is a kind of restitution in and of itself that it's done a lot of good helping companies stave off cyberfraud, but it's hard not to notice though, he may not be profiting from his crimes anymore. He is still profiting from the story of his crimes, and I'm not sure how different those two things really are. We'll only know in time for it's only been in his line of work for two years. It's still very new lots of things could happen. I expect the lots of things will happen. But I will say I'm rooting for him. This is the coda ring, I'm willing Paskhin. You can find me on Twitter at will pass skin. And if you have any cultural mysteries you want us to code. You can Email us at Dakota ring at slate dot com. If you haven't yet subscribe in our feed and apple podcasts or ever you. Get your podcasts and even better tell your friends this podcast was produced an edited by Benjamin fresh who also does illustrations for every episode. Thanks june. Thomas Gabriel Roth. Doug shell Tom's Eller Nilo Farrell. Leila Wien and Megan cow calcium. Thanks for listening and we'll see next month.

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There's Another Local Podcast (Ep. 39)

"Episode thirty nine of fantasy theater. I am still Spencer falls in with me this evening, ladies and gentlemen, is a man so robust with knowledge and insight when he performs weekly ritual, bleeds. Just so jeopardy can come up with new answers for Alex trebek's and he's dressed head to toe in pure Korat goals. Why because of valuable or so? He says, it's Joe. I in further some here. Glad to be here isn't shebek. I thought he's dead. He's not dead. He's not dead. We're not dead. I put my soul into that introduction for you. I said, you know what Joe Joe's been? He's been. He's been. He's been okay. These last few weeks, but I really wanna really won't end inject some fire into that. But. Well, I have the fire yesterday and then we got delayed today, the fire left. Oh, I wish I could read, let me read you some of the several down here. Please investing question, Mark. Is that what you make make things things that dogs can dig cryogenic sleep four hour shifts in life? There's something there. The four hour shifts was that going to be something I as a mascot. Okay. Ten jury things all things in life. That's what those are my notes. I thought you said you were fired up about yesterday. That's all you had this, what you have for tonight for tonight at all different thing for yesterday because we were supposed to change something, we're gonna change format, but there's no need to tease that now. Yes. No, railroad episode. Today was very hectic, at work, and I was just sitting in my yard, staring mosquitoes are biting me. I'm not even like swatting them off. And I'm just riding whatever comes my head, and that's get a thousand move you show up and please take it all. Just take it all skills, you need it more than me at this point. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up work though. 'cause I gotta work thing where you're going to it's going to enrage you. What's about to happen to me at my workplace? Yeah. You know, we usually have weekly meetings. Well, we haven't had those in a while, and that's good might. Yeah. That's good. Start is great. That's like we're moving in the right direction here. Count ability. See you. It's up to the individual. If you can't trust the individual to be accountable. Yeah. That actually makes a lot of sense. But the we're going to start having weekly meetings from five to seven PM every Tuesday. What? Yeah. Joe bell. What's displeased? Displease five to seven win. And they told me that I said every week. Yeah. That's the once a year we needed that said, okay? Salaried employees, Joe, are, you working night, shifts say it's graveyard? Do I need a pack a lunch for three AM sleeping bag sleeping bag five to seven? Do I leased a recess break five to seven, and we're like, and we don't need to go out to a restaurant either need just bring something because going into restaurants inefficient for going to get out in two hours. Say you're bringing your own dinner. I'm gonna have to bring a weekly meeting that starts at five pm. Yeah, yeah, I remember. I remember one time we met, we had a quarterly meeting that lasted like three and a half hours after work, you know, it's quarterly thing that's a little bit more understandable. But you know, they fed us lunch and that was not salary. I mean, the fed is dinner, but that was not salaried at this point, what got about a ten dollar meal for three and a half hours. I don't know if you know much about minimum wage, but it's more than three and a half dollars and I make more than three and a half dollars. An hour. Well, thank you for my ten dollar burrito from a restaurant, I would've never freaking touched left to my own accord. Anyway, that's horrible. Yes. Bad. But you only have yourself to blame. You, you, you gave them the impression that you're going to be okay with us. And then you accept it with this Tuesday thing, the five seven. I should have been more vocal should've been more vocal. You're right. And I will be, but you see, I like to lay lay seats. I like to build up, I like to get it in their head that maybe their ideas, not. So, you know, it's not so solid, as they think, you know, I like to just pick at it, and then, when it finally suggest it, it's a little weaker and they're like, oh, yeah. Let's see, you're heading psychological landmines. You're gonna activate at a later. Exactly. But they don't even fill them. Oh, you. Oh, yeah. No, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. We'll activate them. And then it will just crumble around them. Yeah. You've been playing some snakes plants. What snakes on smash snakes on smash? Oh, the steak character. You said you've been playing snakes. Yeah against. Yeah. Yeah. It's always literally talk about smash all the time. That's it. We just do twenty minutes on smash brothers, much better Lee's plan. I listened to another local podcast today. Joe? Others. Yeah. There's one based in Monroe. They have a little bit different vibe little bit different. Let me tell you how he began his podcast though Joe Bill. He said something like can you guys believe it? It's episode. Seventeen. I f Assode was in September is only seventeen and I'm like I'm in my car, right? And I'm like a sit up a little straighter. We done it every week. Yeah. About forty weeks and you over here. Can you believe that guys seventeen? We have to challenge people, please. They don't have do. They have more or less than this. I have no idea. They have more ratings than us. You don't see their listeners. That's because our listeners don't do ratings there. Yeah. 'cause we don't we don't beg to right? We don't beg them to. And we won't people to think for themselves man facts, if you ever did a rating, you should stop listening, go to the Monroe podcasts. That's where that's where they want the ratings Skuld, the dreamer collective, they go, Phil. What the dreamer like they're so positive Joe. They're very. No everything happens for Bergesen their world. How do you live in Monroe and be positive? So it's like it's like an interview podcast where he gets, like local people to come on that have a as he calls them amazing stories. They had this thirty year old guy on there, rather go to the meeting the five cents. He's here. He works as photographer. Right. It is. It is going through, like his whole life story from, like eighteen to thirty basically it he's like I'm sorry from taking a little long here, but just want people know my backstory. You just said you went to college, and you didn't like what you did. And you went to work and then you went back to college percent of millennials stories. I just needed. Make sure they know my backstory. You're a white thirty year old that lived a middle class life. We know your best story. No one was here. Unless you murdered somebody lets you murdered somebody, we want to hear that were you in jail? Did you lose all your teeth, the age of two in at a suck from a straw for frigging decade? I wanna hear that not that she was like I didn't like. Homework. It's why decided was man of arts. He was like, oh, it's like I just I'm just like I'm just honored that you're here. He's a. John. Which is make fun of podcast every week. Does not a bad idea. That's now. That's what we're good ass, right? Guess we get onto the main show. Yeah. If we had one because you didn't bring anything do I do have one store apt to snake stories? Okay. I lead into when I brought snake earlier, smash brothers player. I'm Bob the smash brothers player. But in my this, because my head, I'm in, I'm in snakes a star with the less. Interesting story was MO my lawn. I ran over a poisonous coral snake and it lived and it would just staring at me. And who's at my foot? That's bad. Amen. Yeah. That's a cool snake. Yeah. And he just stared right? At me for you. Paralyzed house paralyzed. Yeah. Because I didn't want to. I don't know. So now deadly to a couple of steps back and then ran to get a shovel kill him. And he was gone be. I just looked at me. He just wanted to put some fear in you. Yeah. I don't blame them hopefully. Okay. So you got a second snake store. Second sneck story. Did he come back? We're of the coral. No. This was completed from thank Orel strikes back. So as lunch leaving the believe in my place of work, and I work in kind of in the middle of the woods, dummies like single lane roads pretty much. I've been there and. I go, and there is a car with his door open in the middle of the road, just stopped, and a like a pretty pretty shoddy looking car. And his knowing around, there's this dogs barking everywhere, there's like six dogs barking witness. That's what you're thinking. Yeah. Go gosh. So I slide down and I stop and this guy with pink hair this I mean, is around my age? Comes out, like just slowly walking and staring. At ma'am, I am a die. Darren now and then he comes and he's like, sorry man. I was just trying to pick up that, that rattlesnake as a big old rattlesnake in there. I was trying to get. Trying to take it home. The I don't know what he's I don't. He wasn't like a professional snake handler. He was just some guy if he's at work, professional. Yeah. He's just walking by a yeah. There's like. This gigantic rattlesnake trying to get those. Okay. That's cool. And got your lunch pail training. And then he's like, yeah you can go on through. I'm gonna stay here. That's why for to come back. Split slowly around him. And he's just looking staring at me the whole time he thought he thought you play them. He was like that dues trying to break snake on interested. Trust me to snake stores in one week. Yeah. Elman Batum permission. Scum. Also have a CVC. Well, hey, man. You're on a roll. Yeah. Go. I saw some today. I really don't like I call him truck tattoos. They're like, you know, I'm like the back win over truck where they've just got like this decal gigantic decal on it. I find those repulsive. Yeah. Horrible pug guy had a bible verse. But it wasn't even I never seen this before. It wasn't a bible verse. It was like. Multiple who's like, John five twenty through five twenty six. He can't write this too much to right? On the back of my truck. Just look it up took the whole truck. It was the whole thing. It was the whole thing. But it wasn't the verse it was just the link the bible. Yeah. It's the whole the whole bed of it. I was like this to me, that's fake. If you really cared about that verse, you get a tattoo of it, and you wanna be bugging, all of us with, it would just be your private thing. But this gigantic truck tattoo bumper sticker. I'm okay with their small take them off this guy I did not like it. So the moral the story is you need a tramp stamp, not a back tattoo. Not a top not a shoulder for your costs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Subtle small bottom left? Right. You got really be looking people who these truck tattoos and they're all kind of stuff very obsessive. Yeah. Do you have a CVC I do have a CVC? Must see we see. So Joe bell got married last year. Remember that got married, and for the wedding, I had a personal song mate, that had one of my friends, sing, and I realized that the day, very touching. I did not reach out to the artist who had made the song. And the reason I didn't in the moment is because I had the song made months in advance and I didn't wanna ride anything online that justified us seem, you know, and it's for the surprise Moran, but I forgot to come back and do it. So I remembered it this morning, and I was like, I'm gonna look this student look them up. It's a found his Facebook page of cinema message. I said, hey man, forgive me for taking a year, but I, I appreciate what you did. I love the song. You know, it was a great moment are wet, aim blah, blah, blah. And he was like insanely touched by he was, like, man. I, I really hope you give me permission to share this, because this is why I make music to show people that even a year later, you were thinking about it. He was like, man. Philip on new because wrote a song for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what it was like I, I was so inspired by that song. He said that, you know, I couldn't release that when publicly because that was made specifically for you guys. But what I did was I re worked it. And then it's the lead single off my latest eve p. Wow. Let's. Yeah. So saves Joshua Turner fuel to look him up on Spotify. Yeah. Yeah. But way, my point of all this is so I have a weird relationship with the term artists don't even like debating it. I think it's weird thing to call people an artist. Yeah. But what I do like is when, when someone makes something anything that makes you feel certain way that needs to be appreciated. And you should tell that person that. And that's that's really wanted to say about it. Like, if somebody creates something that makes you feel good, or it makes you think about it previous time or whatever let that creator. No. Because that's why they're doing it most of the time now show for the creators house Narcan door and tell them how you feel put it. Don't even bring it to his door doorstep. Just put it on the back of your vehicle all the way across just bark park. It leave it in the front yard. It's the best way to get a message across. So if I sacrifice something that you care about. And then leave it at his lane. Goto the altar of his board his or her door to make sure that they know what if he has said like. Hey, that song, so successful, I've used it in, like, ten other weddings. Yeah. The line about the titans thing. The words this uses the music I saw that when he posted it or whatever people were comment on it. They were like so are you still doing songs that website? He was like you know what haven't been? But this makes me wanna go back. Yeah. Do you think Josh? Yeah. Josh mature told a said, hey, man, my tenure aaniversary. I'm fly out Singapore's wink. He's like. Don't screen shot to post part. I regret it. Regretted a swear. Did you tell them you were also an artist? See that makes me cringe man. You're artist man. No, no, no make people to say this word love life. Oh, you win the physical fiscal marketing. Are you didn't know that was one of our slow goes, no or slow goes? It's one more. Slogas Jove, one of our slow goes. Gotta love your life again. We got to know we got spelled different because we are. I didn't make I know love your life. Well, you made the one that's like we don't do everything we can't do everything for you. But we can Oto. We. I don't know what it is. Whatever it was good. We don't do this. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, yes. That's my CBC predate. Appreciate someone's your tell them you Brigitte the telling me appreciate it. What are you doing this weekend? Joe Memorial Day weekend. You got big plants. Yard work. That sounds tear. No. If you ain't you ought to be yard work too. I did last week. I know you didn't last like smash brothers and you're like oh I'm trimmed the hedges now. That's not how Lena Nelson gutters. You said. Do you wanna play? He takes me, like ten fifty five UN place Mashburn eleven. Harley and invite. So now needed a couple of hours. Do we come hours? I'll be there too to I was there. I didn't I didn't ditch anybody for yard work. It makes you feel great. Use me a lot of lot of life. Meaning men things are good. You also own your house, which makes a difference, yet does. Okay. I'm renting right now all ask anything to improve that place at all. See, I see the neighbors coming down the street just giving me decide I they look at me then they look at the weeds. They look at me then they will look at the weeds. I don't care. Guess I got news. Homeowner's association. That's what's going through their head. Start one of those can we call caller alderman, gull local autumn and get him down here. They used to call me, the Mohan messiah to I know you had such high hopes in the mowing community promoted, it higher town burned really bright too fast. I got tired of it. I used to do this one trick where I would like have zero turn, and I would didn't matter. I didn't you didn't need a weed eater with me because if it was standing it was going down. I would run over fits chains to get all the grass. All right. So there was a tree. You know, you got a lot of people were like, oh, you want me to grab the weed weed eater talking go around the tree, and get real titan now. Now, what I did was at hooked my back will up to the tree, and it would just the momentum with. Swing me right around nuts. I'll never forget Joey blue face. Joe Joey bluer. When I did that he just turned the weedy. I'm getting paid to do nothing. You put that we did you back on the trailer, shouldn't even brought it. You know, I was a lawnmower guy once for one day, I got fired after one day. I could've talked to some moves. Why dad is euro turn? I had a I was the pushing guy. No, I don't I don't remember what happens. But I was on, like a yard that was very steep. And somehow wrecked like a big part of their yard on accident. It wasn't good. It happens it happens. I would I would always wear a hat. Of course. When I when I mode, you know, keep the sun out of my eyes, but it served dual-purpose if ever had to go like through limbs are brush what I do is just put that hat down over my face, and I would just go straight through stuff. Didn't give a darn about the rest of my body still got scars but that grass got cut. That's right. Grass cut cut. When I worked at the YMCA I was like the maintenance guy there, and there was another person who is in charge of, like grounds, and maintenance and everything I did every sing. Thing the subzero turn. That's all that guy. Did he made me do everything else? But he was he was on zero turn every day, this riding all over town. Otherwise, I remember the jealous weed eater. I remember that was him. You you were him like you know, I can get on that, too. I'm the mowing messiah skip back in the truck and turn on your pretty Ricky Lee. The studios and six. That was my job. I will go around and pick up trash with a stick. And it was like all the there was like a lot of young kids, they're mad. I hope it never end up like that guy. That's what was gone through their head. But now that was my favorite job. And I wish I was that guy makes sense. I wish. I wish I was debating on Moen mayor this week course nugget happen. But when I was debating the other night, my wife says, make sure you get the sticks. I this is my first day win want more. She's forgotten. That's not forget, who she fell in love with home science. She also pointed to stick that was bigger than my freaky leg. Like this seeing that stick from the road like ain't go get that stick machinery sticks. Sorry, just. Let's keep talking trash about Jessica. As such an easy target. Yeah. Let me go my notebook. I got some notes. I'll talk trash about her family real quick. Yeah. Go ahead, please. That's what I'll be doing this weekend. Joe had a good run. Yeah. Had a good run not dry. Make it a six hour round, triple A weekends to see the in laws and all the little children. You're the envy of the men in town. We all talked about Spencer, get away with C do sit around and play smash all day. Yeah. When, when my wife is not at home on the weekends. I'll play seven hours of smashing. I am not. I'm not being said, superlative seven hour Saturdays was smash. That's the whole reason. I got a dog. So gonna have excuse to stay home. Not take it anywhere, always whole reason. Anyway, I'm going this weekend Joe, but I tell you one thing that gives me pulse one thing that gets me boss, I happen to be on the app, Snapchat. I don't look at it often barely the other morning. I was incredibly bored, incredibly board pulled it up. I'm going to see what the what the people are doing what they're using their video cameras in their bucks for one of the ones I look at is. I guess it's my brother-in-law is Jessica's sister's husband's at my both of our brother-in-law's said how that works. He's your enemy. What do that? But yeah, the brother-in-law whatever. Brother-in-law nosy, I don't know. I don't know. It's her brother. Her brother-in-law is just my the guy that didn't same houses may sometimes, yeah. Okay. We just we're with each other sisters. But whatever anyway, the, he's got a they have a kid, that's less than one year old. And he's, he he's taking video of his boy child in the bathtub. Any Ikuta hotdog emoji. Over his buddy. And the hot dog abode you kiss moving around stay in that spot. Okay. So this guy's just filming his little child is little bear child. And you know what he writes in the caption, because the kid is kind of a kind of hitting himself. What is he? Right. He writes, enjoying question. Mark. Talking to. Talking to me early talking about is that kid enjoying himself. I don't know why I don't know. It's Mr. do you have the ability to do bleeps Caleb producer? Can you do? Yeah. But. Yeah. Make sure man this this bleak. That's very bleak. I was stunned happening with the internet's I was stunned. I on Twitter. I've only been on Twitter. I've been avoiding everything else. This was happening. How is that even allowed shouldn't be? Misinterpret. How's it allowed? Maybe we maybe we misinterpreted. Maybe it's not so pornography. Maybe it's not. Hey, look that kid could be lots of things could be. Hey, what's he there? A couple of other explanation. Shop pornography. As bleak, man. No, we don't have to. What going back? No. Going back. I saw that there was filters that made people look like babies have looked at a single one of those not going to not gonna do it. Why, why not gonna do it? You don't have a Mike. The can't hear you can someone drop one of those, those bombs that don't kill anybody. That is all like Tron IX, besides smash brothers. That'd be. Yeah. EMP these with we need smash brothers protective layer. I don't do well without power. The internet men need ended up. Gotta have. No, I don't know. Got it. I have to sacrifice something. I need to read it. All in all of it. I thought we, we compete was the only shining light of the internet, and will our podcast. We try to go that route and didn't work. I'm still a fan. I'm not I'm not a fan of my daytime Delvis. That's still, it's definitely still thing because that was in a lawyer's office other day. And I had to wait in the lobby and it's just me and the receptionist and she's got the show on called girl. Talk our girl chat girl chat. It's like four pseudo celebrities, and then the girl from sister, sister, remember to mayor. Nope. Nope. All right. Well that's the only one I do. But it's a special episode girl chat because they had their husbands on, right? Strapped in baby. I was ready. What did the women, the older black women on the show has an older white spit? Why guy any clearly was like forced into doing this sitting on the stage very uncomfortable. And they Esca. They ask these really stupid questions and the girls super into it like the host later, whatever she's like ok guys, when it's time to go out on the town. What's your favorite thing to put on? This this. Right in the middle of these, like he doesn't know how to answer it. But he says, well, you know, I've got my favorite jails. Yells Doug about his hair. Whatever it is one of those. Kinda wants more and he's like I don't really think about. Girl chat girl Shah do PM's on something probably see ws. Yeah. Oh, horrible. It was horrible. What happened to the prices, right me? That I do have a quick, if you ain't you ought to be okay? I just watched it. I just got released last night on Netflix. I'm a lonely island fan. I don't know if you are with Adam Sandberg, like, okay. The out of nowhere last night release something called the unauthorized bash brothers experience, which is what they describe as a thirty minute visual poem about Mark McGwire, and Jose can Saco. Fantastic. You remember that story? Oh, yeah. Bash brothers so hit his Jose could Saco and other guys smart McGuire. It's basically like six music videos, intercut with some dialogue visit thirty minute visual Bom gravel is a great thirty minutes. I'll check that out. You'll love it. Does you watch Torrero? I have not called row yet. Okay. I watched entire season game of thrones last couple of days back when it was good. Yeah. Perfect segue. Yeah. Get onto that. Bod. Listeners you gotta go to go go to the menu. Yep. Yep. Yep. Called thrones. It will be the last one. Yeah. I think else, the major now you went through my whole list, sip the jurors thing. I've got I'm gonna come back to that another episode. That's, that's a great idea way to tease the people. Joe bell. Skokie. Yeah.

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EP 103 - HANDLE YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES: Tragedy in Beirut, Lebanon, Parties in the Pandemic, Investing in Gold, Sports Cards, Be@rbricks & more

Behind The Baller Podcast with Ben Baller

45:33 min | 10 months ago

EP 103 - HANDLE YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITIES: Tragedy in Beirut, Lebanon, Parties in the Pandemic, Investing in Gold, Sports Cards, Be@rbricks & more

"The. Motive. Crazy. Awesome make. Place to Boston with. Kevin This Crazy, dog. PODCAST now. You would have people. Listen to a brand new episode of behind the ball podcast. This is episode one, hundred and. I am your host. Dan baller. Aka. The Korean coach being we're GonNa get into that in a minute. But you'll. Listen, man. I'll be guys not know a decent week Does a lot going on I want to switch things up going off the dome piece. I got a couple of notre down I'm just going straight off the dome piece working on Keeton Hustler three. Get going. We got the one year anniversary in two days. Ab One year that this podcast existed Thought about the emergency podcast. But then again, I'm putting in so much effort to get this case on threes longer than I thought. You know it's been a minute since I've done a three hour podcast and that's like a lot right especially since we're talking about. two, thousand, four to about two, thousand, ten, you know that six year span is. It's much more recent in my memories. What's going to take some motherfucking time? I've been writing down some notes and everything, right? meanwhile. Before we get started. I got to say. Prayers. My heart goes out to all the victims, all the loved ones of the victims, all the people who died in Beirut Lebanon. If you did not know one of my best friends in the entire World Paul Jamile. He is Dude I, Mentor D- A little bit. You know saying, but mostly, I, still give him big homie guidance I've talked about many times. He'd been on the show. He's Godfather as well. He is Lebanese have some other close Lebanese friends. This is one of my closest friends and he's very proud Lebanese. You know from eleven family, he actually is building a home in Lebanon now about forty five miles from Beirut there. fucking terrible. What happened there? I do not think that there was explosives just fucking sitting somewhere in a warehouse No. But Paul. Man You're no I feel bad. Misses fucking crazy. And policy had some unfortunate happen this weekend I didn't bring it up on the can wrap up. But we'll get into that. So He's having a hell of a time in his birthday was last week too. So fucked up situation par miss. You can't wait to hit vegas with you can't wait to hit San Francisco which you can't wait to see you brother. Kind Mrs you too. And yeah, my heart goes out to Lebanon man. This just been fucking crazy man, it's just been. What a fucking twenty twenty has just been fucking trash. You know what I'm saying. So the only bit of Covid that I'm going to even get into is really not much, I. Mean. We're almost one, hundred, sixty, thousand deaths were at over a thousand deaths a day. Donald trump is just the stupidest motherfucker in the entire world. He has really done the worst possible job of any. Leader anywhere nobody I mean Brazil's really bad. Right. Italy's bad. But remember the way Italy was the everyone lives on top of each other. It's kind of like a New York. But that's how the country is. Trump is just don't fucking terrible. Does know everyone tries to make a political is not should just fucking horrible. The only bit of talk about is there was a house party in Beverly Hills. Anybody who's driven through Mahan drive from. Let's say Beverly Glen. To coldwater canyon. When you drive drive the all the time because I live in Sherman, oaks, so I, kind of cut through there to go to Beverly Hills and when you're cutting through that. And when you're going East Al-Muhajiroun drive. After a little bit. Once you pass. Then, canyon, deep. Canyon. And you hit like one or two curves. Right. Before he beverly Park. You'RE GONNA see this big ass house that is on the side. It has been a party house for twenty years. Cisco. fucking. Drew Hill Yeah Thong Cisco. Houston still parties all the time. I think at one point. He actually bought the house. Anyway. This is the party house. And The police showed up to this party there, and this party was mother fucking packed. It was packed as shit. It started in the daytime to start on like at four or five o'clock and. There was like I saw a bunch of like. Culinary like a lamb does that was Ferrari's that was made box. A lot of cars there You know per county. Law and Ordinance. you're not supposed to have a gathering of over ten people. So the police show up to this House and Security Guard Private Security Guard tells me 'cause you don't have a warrant and they shared in. He knew quite a bit about the law apparently the security guard and he says. You can't enter the house without a warrant and even though they were breaking the law, it's not something that they can enforce. It has to be the county to has to get there. So this party goes on as the fucking people alot into place. Barely people weren't masters people in the pool amid place was fucking packed. Big Ass House. More people that you can fucking think of in the driveway, there was a food truck their. The Security Guard said, this is a private party hosted by NFL player people trying to figure out who was we were like Oh, it's Oh Bj. Oh, it's fucking Joe. fucking. What's fair boroughs with is name from Lsu and? Actually, it was none of that. It was a party hosted by CRIPS right. And because of. My background everything else I'm not going to get into a you guys can figure it out and do some research, but you know it was in I gotta say this. I won't give Fuck how tough? How crazy? Whatever? It's just fucking stupid is just plain stupid like. Just don't get it man, and you know when I talk to people people damned famous people people who run big pages. Big Pages on. They'RE GONNA say. But like you know, they're like man people are just tired of you know staying home and really. Mind boggled off some of the friends. I have are traveling who are flying to Miami and hanging out and doing certain things whatever and Florida's just like faulk bringing Florida. It's like the worst place in the world and one of my friends she actually had covid and she's gone. It's like. She's like fuck it. You know. But you know it's just I don't know man people just again like fucking this rather live. I said this before I saw rather live my life. Then go through life with regret now, that doesn't mean. You know go against the rules pandemic. This all bets are off different. So. That party. Ended up, just getting packed. The also just said, look man this is looks like it's going to be some bad chicks gonNA happen whatever boom I ended up fall asleep pal early that night, I probably would to like before midnight and sure enough at one thirty in the morning I, get a citizen, APP notification. If you don't have citizen I'm sure everyone they mom citizen everyone started down two months ago. But citizen APP is the craziest happen. It's fucking. It's way more popular than next APP. And on the citizen. APP. I get a notification shots fire. You know multiple people shot at the party boomer drive. I knew exactly obviously the Saint Party and the next. You know a black lady woman, a girl who is in her thirties died. Suicide with fuck is wrong with you people like one. You just can't Sfjazz Hall for a few months and it's just really as fucked up as it is as boring as it is. It's like lives are more important in your life. How, about just fucking being responsible and trying to help other people out be a good example. Like. How fucking bored you? Are you know you wanNA, meet somebody. You want network fucking. You Ain't got shit else going on. You WanNa. Fuck. I don't know what the fuck it is, but that shit ain't it period ever and then. Come. Watch the news and they're talking about that and come to find out. The Elliott Sheriff's. fucking. Sheriff's department had a private party at some bar. and. It was packed at a buck and bar and it was private password and everything boom. You had to be either LAPD or a sheriff to get in, and these mother fuckers are having a party like a sweet. Like Shit. Sweet. I'm just blown fuck away does a cops and they're saying on all these cars have gotten tested. They've gotten Kobe man get the fuck Outta here. anyways. Was Crazy. Is when the pandemic I started. Everyone was doing really bad and and people are doing obviously really bad now. But. people who own AIRBNB they're fucking terrified because they have their income went really just like you know they're banking on site the monthly, they're banking baking daily rentals of there. AIRBNB and AIRBNB has really pop in for a long time and. And It. Was Dead Right when the pandemic started. So like you know in March and April people weren't fucking running AIRBNB. Than people got tired of it and said fuck this and then they started you know obviously sanitizing the places who fucking knows right? You gotta take your own fucking precautions, but for London's birthday, which is coming up. I'm like fuck it. I'm GONNA get AIRBNB. You know what? I'm saying, I'M GONNA get a fucking beach house somewhere in when something and stay for three or four five days, and you know boom and I started checking out places. I'm like you not whatever discounters get some cheap like six, hundred, eight, hundred dollars a night, and there's nothing and I was like fucking couldn't believe it. And then you start searching higher and you start looking at like whatever. I. Love. Manhattan beach don't get me wrong. It is doped. The Strand is I. Love that fucking Area Beachfront. House in Manhattan Beach. The ones I like they're like four, thousand a day. With fees taxes and then the cleaning fees and everything else you know be like twenty twenty-five man's easy. No problem. Right. which for twenty five bands I stay at the mandatory in Columbus Circle, of New, York City and have a crazy insane. With the view that could fucking kill to die for. Right. So anyways found a dope, Bass Beach, House. You know big ASS waterslide fuck in all kinds of shit and everything, and I was like, fuck it for his birthday wouldn't get the fuck Outta town and we're going to have fun and we're GonNa Relax and I'm going to have to take podcast equipment has been a minute since. Since I've taken my equipment out of the House and we're just GonNa fucking do the do you know I'm going crazy I. GotTa give a shout out to my nieces, twin nieces, Sydney ins, all we. They have graduated highschool so bad. They didn't get to do any prom. No formal graduation again. No. Prom that sucks. Right. You know beautiful girls might my nieces are five nine? They are This is that you know. Well, they're not on the Jewish side of my, but they're Jewish and. You. Know they're leaving for school in two weeks and they have to quarantine Newark One's going to, Vassar one's going to Columbia. And May. I'm just I can't fucking believe my nieces mother fucking colleges crazy, and I got to send them off with like a Nice Little Gift Martha. Break off with some cash uncle going to have bless them. anyways. So, you know I usually talk about entertainment and sports of things after the break, but you know a friend of mine a new friend of Mine Natalia. She happened to win one of the gold money counters. She had talked about last. Chance you. In it's funny because. You know obviously, you can't miss it. Netflix's you know last chance he was on there and I've never watched one episode never cared to. Okay. But I did see some previews of this new episode. And or the new season. And One of the things that I remember is. When I was listening to Mike rapports podcast and obviously the dust brothers produce his show the proof mine and you know he had. From me, the season one season two, he had or I think it was even both seasons for the fucking goes. But. He had one of the star wars coaches from last. Chance you on the show. I played ball I, played college ball. That was the one that really that's what I got my scholarship for. So anyways. I see that it's A. Lane College on the Fuck Delaney. Of Team, you know I didn't really ever pay attention to community college football I. Did know that when I played football, we had a lot of transfers. So when I was at cal, there's a lot of players from CSM from you know called San Mateo. There was people from college in the desert. There were people from all over actually like all the fucking way over and and I just forgot about it because I don't really you know never really knew too much community college is to knock it right, but then obviously you know. You can't knock many college. You can get an education for super cheap. You can kind of ease your way in, and then you get into the four year university and you actually could finish quicker whereas some people had fucking for you. Universities that is taken in like six seven years to finish school, right? So going on. Me Being being for the bay, but me having property in the Bay me going to college out there me being so fond of the bay in me knowing so much about the entire. Sarah Francisco in the entire bay area. I'm like, you know what? I watched a little couple previews and then my friend d'italia was like, Hey, you got check it out was really inspirational and it was like a and no. Of course, you know it intrigued me because. This is like right down the way from with the school. Obviously. No Romania's which is crazy is. I went to summer school. 'CAUSE I was like behind some credits. I went to come some school Alameda, in Alameda is right down like literally Super Close Laney, but you would see laney because it had like the fluorescent little sign and I'm watching this last chance you. And I can't stop watching it. I watch one episode and I have to watch all the way to fucking eight in. It was crazy. I was fucking stuck and I should have had to do obviously I fucking design and finish up this card from this choir I got dropping. I got the fuck snickers chain. Others, chains, I got fucking collaborations that I'm doing almost fucking said what it was supposed to yet and I. Did a big fucking podcast and I can't stop watching it, and obviously Laney College is a very small school super. Small. Junior College in Oakland California and the coach. His name is John Beam on. Even not tell you the truth is do is actually part. Crean. Didn't even know that he was. He was head coach at skyline and skyline is probably one of the most Premier Bay area high schools, and also one of the most premier sports programs in the country. SIDEBAR. fucked out, never liked the Alaska I hate de la Salle. Never liked anything about that. School I think schools just all entitled Fucking Punk ass kids. I didn't like that. Shit, when I was in college and I remember going back and checking out people that recruits I never fuck would ask ole period but going on. You Watch the story. And there was one that hit me super fucking hard in that was Dior, right? The wide receiver who had to be quarterback in a, I won't spoil too much. But you know. She had a really bad relationship with his dad. It was given him anxiety and it was fucking him up and people in the family were trying to get him the talked his dad and everything else. And it gave me flashbacks and ptsd of what the fuck is going on in my life. In that, fuck me up because I have that relationship with my biological father who is. Still Alive right now, he's supposedly doing really bad and You know she said one thing where his dad fucked up his chances to get to get a scholarship out of high school and to go to college and. His Dad humiliated him. We need fucking school. There are two alpha's and they Bali each other's at fifteen sixteen and dad was like you know fuck this and he was humiliate him. And he cut his hair shaved his head fucked up. You know like you know I mean for the most part. Let alone kids that don't really have money, but like you know. Depending on where you at you in Oakland or whatever you know if you have no money, you have no money I. Mean, there was a point in the in the show where he's in his car trying to see he wants to eat. He's hungry as the. Let me see what got my banking county looks at its phony as five dollars on my God. Damn. Bro, you know this is. Within a year ago, he has five dollars make council. It's like. You know he's fifteen. Dad shaves his head. And when I shave your head like I'm thinking about like having like a fade having here on top in your dad shaving three parts of the top of your head to where it looks like a lot more hits you right and his dad. Would make him. You know dress like a girl like you should just a girl and go to school and like he would, he would break his spirit down. In I felt that. And he's like now fuck that I don't WanNa. Fuck? With my dad, I don't want to have anything to do with them. he would try to see other family members because he loved his grandma and everything else. But his family is trying to get him to talk to his dad and his data on home. But his dad's a Dick and I'm like Yo man like he's better than me at least we'll still go around me. I'm like fuck that I don't want anything to do with the fucking Dan like I thought about I was like look man. there's another kid Rj who's on the show white dude who had said that his mom treated him like shit and his mom, he realized that his mom had been raped or had been molested. She'd went to a bunch of Shit, and she treated him like Shit. So once he understood what she went through. It helped him understand why she did what how she raised him. And I thought about that too and I thought about my dad had a very hard childhood. My Dad walked from North Korea to South Korea when the war happened everyone. Did you know otherwise you get stuck in North Korea he she walked a hundred miles sounds fucking crazy. But I'm not even joking you walked one hundred miles he would teach how to speak. Korean and He had a tough life. Now. Look Man Great. He had a tough life life sucks here and there look, and he had my older brother David. He had my older sister Jean. He had. You know he was a Shitty to them to. He had all. He had two chances to fuck everything and they'd be like lawmaker right whether it's. One child, which is bad look man. There was such a big age gap between my brother wouldn't have been that big of a difference. But you know what? He was such a shady dad and I I, know he went to a tough childhood and I know that he didn't see his mom for twenty years and all this. I. Don't give a fuck. Fuck that there's no reason. My Dad punched me in the mouth, hit me in the head. Slap me in the face. You know what? I'm saying, make me on my knees in trough about them for thirty minutes. What by the time you try to stand up now imagine going to a bathroom, turn off the lights. I'm being dead serious. I'm not fucking playing one game, not even joking, not exaggerating even one percent. Go into about them, turn off all the lights K. Light shed really might not be big turn. All Lights. K. And this is you know me being twelve eleven, twelve ten, you know whatever? Go on, your? Knees? And just sit on your knees. You can't angle that you can't sit Indian style. You have to be on your knees, and you just have to have your hands up both your arms up as if you're carrying some books right and you gotta sit there. and. If you do move, the thing with me is you know most people most people would. Move you know. Then you get the shit knocked out of you, and then after thirty minutes gets, you know you try to stand up, you can't because your knees have been stuck. You sitting on your knees for thirty minutes now your niece or hurt you get up, then what does he do as let's see. I'm trying to think let's see for instance, see forty he was in his late forties. He was my age or so he would just knocked me the fuck down with eighty ninety percent his strength, and then you know then he will get the belt and go with me. and. This is from me like maybe getting a bad grade or you know candy from the store just regardless whatever the fuck. I didn't kill anybody. This is the type of shit that he would do and I think about that and it just got. A just a dealt with it dealt with the to a certain point and I say you know. I'm a grown ass man I got my own family I don't want. That's what it is. That part of history don't get told. You know maybe I'll tell my kid later on I. Don't know I have no idea late start in life. So you know when I'm sixty nine, know it'd be fucking pain. My kids will barely be you know in their late teens and and twenties you know. So it's like I'm hoping I'm here I. Hope my health gets me to. See My, kids get married and everything else. But if they ask you know I'll be real. And that part of the shit hit me different. Like I felt that. In do, coach. Beam. Just shit that he said the way he acted it gave me chills watching some shit and again, this junior college day. No money. They don't give no meals I mean, of course on a game day to get fed. But like there's really nothing you know there's no scholarship, a community colleges month focus just playing just play and they're showing all the gentrification that's going on Oakland and You know the rivalry between Oakland San Francisco and it. It was just it look I. Didn't see all the other last chance youth in I. Don't know if I really care to. This was a good watch. Nov, asked you guys a lot of things I'm know a lot of you probably have already seen this because you guys follow Lange last chance you. But because this hit so close to home, I, had to watch that shit and it was real. You know, no, you know Hollywood ending. And you know that, fuck me up. Made me. WanNa just even it just it just put me in a different place. Me Not want to spend any money on certain things. You think about it like damn man these due to really out here, struggling like for gas money for food. I mean you know that Dude Simone Cat who has a baby has two kids and got his first kit seventeen out there like it's got to wake up early and Lynnwood, is his laws and and then in inlaws brothers there and everything, he's married and it's just like it's fucking crazy. Thank God. He got a scholarship and I don't know where do I hope everything goes well for him. But last chance you fuck me up because the situation with Dior in his dad. His Dad seemed like you know. Seemed? Okay Selah. Dick. But I don't know man I hope I can meet coach being one day. Do seem like a good fucking dude. I would love to go check out a game I know that they're seizing postponed. So at the end up because of Covid and I wish all those do well man, but you'll check this out. We are going to get into a break and I want you guys to understand that I really do speak about real. Real Shit that is going on in my own life, and that's something I didn't WanNa talk about for a long time I. don't want to talk about you know not because I didn't have a great life or anything and I think my life was still cool. But just the fact that I had shitty as Dadman and you'll miles man don't want some ll is lighten up the mood little bit. We'll talk about negative shit and we'll be right back. Hey guys listen. Good health starts with. Good Habits. Quip makes it easy by delivering all the oral care essentials you need to brush and floss better? The quip electric toothbrush has timed sonic vibrations with thirty second pulses to guide a dentist recommended two minute routine, and there's even a size down version designed for kids. Paired with quips. Antic- cavity toothpaste in meant or watermelon. You get all the ingredients. Teeth Act silly need. 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Man I ain't trying to all kinds of other shit about his family and everything, and they was asking a broader fucking shit and this man like fuck bullshit. anyways. You guys pine on Fuck I'm talking about, but you'll. We tax that ASS AGAINST UTAH, and with that we clinched. We. Are. Number One. We. Are Number One. For. The first time in many years number one. motherfucking Western. conference. I don't know man. It's going to be interesting when the playoffs come on with this. The whole thing Again, man, you know like I, I still see people like few people. Rap is one of them. Mike rap is like one of them was like it's fucking fantastic whatever. I mean I know people miss it. But y'all bro, it's cool. It's like it's cool. It's not the same. It's. It's all right, and again why you care about the fans look like it just just weird. It just still take some time. But we clinched I in the Western Conference, and I'm excited about that. I got work to do. You know we got man West is tough. But how the fuck? Do we get. The schick out of Pie. Okay. See. I, just don't understand last night. We got the mother fucking l just like like. Come on man like. Out It just makes me upset I. M, looking forward to the wheel play offs am looking forward to the finals paying attention. Only LAKER Games. I'm watching a couple of things here and there, but direct TV is being weird fucking completely out, I have no idea dodgers. During the thing, we still get it in Doug Fizzle Yama Boy Jack Petersen, my dog jock hit not one but hit two shots last night I'm GonNa talk to home runs, last night and. We beat San Diego. Speaking of San Diego San Diego. You know what? When I was talking about fucking The last chance you am watching all the visuals and stuff and it just made me just missed the baby and more. You know it's like Fuck I. I've never gone this long. You know it's been six months since I've been in the bay and it's never gone six months before. And Again, I'll go this month again Harry. Things will fucking weird right now. So. I don't know man just something about their that just again, I want to retire out there and just everything. But I like San Diego to San Diego's is dope and makes me think about, Q.. My best friend rest in peace. You know Rancho, Santa Fe dope and part San Diego, cool debt, totally different from the bay like toll fucking different just is nice relaxing and Stuff, I, don't know man. It's definitely GONNA make it out to SD soon by the way My Mark Maguire card is out as we speak right now, it is only available for less than forty eight hours. It dropped a couple of hours go. This is no cap. No dead serious, right. This is my favorite card. This is the six card that I have done out of the ten. This is my tenth card of the project twenty twenty. We are halfway done I'm halfway done. I got ten more cards left. My next card is Tony Gwynn. So hundred, we represent in the six one, nine, hope I represent Dago, you know what I'm saying properly. So Tony Gwynn is next but mark mcgwire's card is now make sure you grab that motherfucker the hobby is in full motherfucking effect I just got that Dr Anthony, FAUCI card. Yes. Foudy due out the first pitch guys little rookie card for the she hilarious it just cool. But hobbies poppin cards million best basketball cards crazy right now. Fucking Zion's going for money Lebron going for money shit is crazy. The hobbies healthy people are still mad about the shipping. The Blake Jameson, Mike Trout. Collaboration Card has just shift. I should begin mind any day now Maybe today tomorrow, and then the week after I'll be doing a special One of ten collaboration autograph. Do a lot about the first time that two artists clap during the Collab- yet, and we're going to do a lot of me and blake. And then I think I'm GonNa, do some friends family wants to and I'm actually going to flip a few just because Dan nine flip shit in a minute on the site and I'm going to go have the Beckett I'm actually have Beckham appear and authenticate the. It's because they need to do a few more friends and family joints. It I'm selling and get this economy rolling with the hobby. But That Blake Collab- auto is going to be coming out soon. Make sure you check that out this Mark Maguire is definitely. The dope. Is Card I've put out I. Mean I love it obviously anytime, someone's wearing batting loves you already know iced out fucking love the Bay Bridge in their yard. He know, and obviously the no limit style letters and just everything in this motherfucker, I use the future stars. If you guys remember from the early nineties, eighties like Bo Jackson, rookie. Card. You would see it says future stars that rainbow like font that. Scripted Font anyways. I use that people pick that up. But, Now Manda hobbies doing well I'm really excited. Make sure you pick up one of those cards and I am going to be definitely doing that Merch by the way speaking of Merch I co, my jewelry company is doing premium hoodies, fear of God level quality hoodies like they're fucking sick. I, just saw the samples because James brought me, Hoodie, is fucking Nice armored before was very good. But this is like, wow. So are hoodies are really nice. T shirts are super heavyweight, really really really high quality. It made me. Push my Ben Body to change my body card shirts and my Ben Bar pod t shirts back. 'cause. Now I'm thinking I need to do something, step it up because it's crazy. real quick network. I will be shipping out the gold money counter should be shipping like three or four weeks. So pretty soon, coming out you know and That goals scale drops in a couple of weeks. So really excited about that speaking of gold. Gold is fucking crazy right now. Now, everybody who listens to this podcast. If you've been listening since day one and when we picked up acre gold as a sponsor a few months ago. If you guys listen to me, then do you guys realize you guys would have made money? Made, good money okay. I made. Shit. While nine, I made six figures. I'M NOT GONNA. Tell you it because then people get mad but you know just off of gold, and after by going on a daily basis, you know at least on a every few day basis. But goal these broke two, thousand gold is broke, two, thousand dollars an ounce and I think that it's GonNa hit twenty five hundred by fucking Christmas I have no choice, but to buy it, I'm just telling you guys jumped in Kevin Durant, hit me up and bought two kilogram bars and heaviest. Right, and he bought two kilogram bars. Now, mother fucker made fifty thousand dollars in just you know what? Seven months ago when he bought him goal was at like. Forgot, what it was thirteen hundred. Some shit whatever. But you'll. He made bread and like I said, she has no joke speaking of other things that are going up in value and our no joke. Bare bricks. Yes. I had random people been hitting me up like DJ, mustard people like that and it was. They cool here and there whatever. And I'm looking at the price of bricks and they are fucking crazy. I just got this one, this extra girl ex girl, which is the female line of extra large streetwear bread. and. I paid like nine hundred dollars for this fucking bear, and it's called for four gs now. And you know a lot of my bare bricks that were like. Twelve, hundred, thirteen, they're like twenty, five, hundred, some of these bare that I had eighteen. They're like thirty, five hundred now. So I look and I'm like holy. Shit. My Bairbre collection has gone up in value about one, hundred, seventy, five, twenty grand just in a month or two sold. That is definitely something else I. Think I might do a beverage episode why specifically breakdown? How to get them, where to go one of the best ones to bet to get it just just fucking crazy. It's really crazy at the fucking prices gone up that much. I won't talk about these podcast I did. there's a Korean American podcast Call Cape Pod. Right. It's not pop, but capon older savage people like you know the interviewed my sister because she someone prominent korean-american industry and all that and everything. That's said I'm not I'm just a hooligan. You notice was different. But I sat down with Cape Cod and I did an in depth interview and honestly I'm not GONNA lie. We did like an hour and a half, maybe two hours. And I had to get off because I had something to do. We could talk for four hours like it went on forever. So if you guys want to check out my sister who has. Her resumes destroys mine. So if you think, I, did some shit. You think I mean I maybe forrest gump, but she's fucking just on a whole different level. You know my sister was fucking Tom. Cruise Styles for twenty years. County styles for twenty years. Brad Pitt George Clooney she's dressed what four different president-elect she was she ledger fucking immune name it. I mean every single enormous star, she's dressed and. She's had every Oscar Academy Award winner for the last twenty years. My sister's insane. But if you WANNA listen to that, she is a hustler. My sister's name is Jean and she is fucking amazing. So go ahead and check out that Cape Cod next up I. Did Complex Sneaker podcast with Joel, Puma I. Think People Forget who listen to this show in our sneaker heads. You. Know you guys watch sneaker shopping and you guys watch these shows and? You, know I was the six episode. Of Sneaker shopping complex. So like go back and check that out on. Youtube. You'll see me on there, but shot my boy Joe Lapuma. I was on that episode I mean I'm an upcoming episode I. Don't know exactly what's going to drop but we did shit. How long was this motherfucker hold on? You know what I could look at it right here. Just totally forgot because I had record my own audio. How fucking long this shit was. I'm sorry. It wasn't that long. It was hour and sixteen minutes is Kinda long right. But yes, shot my boy Joel The with Shots Complex magazine accident of talking about academic after not on the shot and give 'em. No pub academics is still a bitch and and duties of fucking punk and You know speaking of academics anything else. I just thought about Joe Biden. Remember I said a logic had publicly. Publicly, said that Joe Biden is set some comments about him. Not being black enough about his rhyme skill whatever and let him to depression, and it made him want to kill himself, and then they interview Joe and I didn't know this interview Joe like recently. I think yesterday day before yesterday or something like a man. Are you gonNA apologize in fact it was Lupe fiasco who was a friend of mine? Luby's my dog anyway like Y'all are you gonNA Apologize Logic. He's like fuck? No fucking apologized for and I had to look at. But in you know, Joan. GIM little more. You know how to give him his properties. Give a little more respect not because he's addict, but because he's being real, he's a man of shit man. You know like this duty to check his life like to let somebody you know affect his brain like that that deep, and then to go on like a fucking press tour and talk about it like Ma, he's tripping and already set them apart on episode to you. Dino? So you know these new generations, they're soft as fuck new generation. I want to say anyone under twenty, eight soft is fuck y'all ever wants to complain ever want to cancel. They WANNA find. So Shit, you said in two, thousand, eight and two, thousand, ten in. So this shit, and it's like your man you guys just is crazy is true even though Dude Joe a coach, John, beams like you'll man, you come down these kids and then all of a sudden big into a mental health, they claim this had ptsd and it's like it's fucking true. Is fucking true. You know. It's Cool man is not cool. It's. got a tough in the fuck up. Like for real. Yoga. Toughen the fuck up. Speaking of tough boy China Amac, hit me talking about he's coming to La to do a rally for proud to be agents and everything else I. Don't think he understand that I'll support every which way I can I can not physically be they're. Not going to a gathering them not going to protest. I'm sorry God bless is that people? Cool. Just. Situation with London's just not going to be exciting to get any better. You know just I'm not put myself biscuits just not smart period Gino. I. Got Bigger things to worry about and again I tell people all the time. Handle your own responsibilities. There's things in the beginning, you cou handle your own responsibilities. More, importantly. Handle your kids. Take care of your children. Your kids did to be here. You brought them into the world. Do what you gotTa, do to make sure they live the best life you know part of my legacy is. I want to. Obviously, I'm living at now to do better than my parents did and they came here with nothing and did pretty well, but you know what? They sent me up. Okay. I guess and I've done better than them. My dream. My fucking dream. would be if my kids to do better than me, but more importantly while my kids to be happy. But again, do your part as a parent talk parents out there. Right? You know. I. Say this and it's just fucking weird, right. But. Always, say I just I just want to be regular. That's WANNA challenge be regularised. WanNa, kick it. Couch be regular, but I never ever want to be mediocre. And that sounds like a contradiction, but it's the truth, a WANNA be regular. But I'm never never want to be mediocre and I don't know why. But it was just something that stuck with me. And As I'm sitting in some shorts, I got for free though they're nice and I'm sitting in a t shirt I go from a snoopy t off target for seventeen dollars and it was like you know again. I. Don't get fuck. How by should at. Costco. My White T.'s come from COSCO. I don't give Fuck Shit. Yes. When I need to stunt I will stunt speaking of stunning. on. Monday, I, went to Rodeo drive after the podcast went to go spoil myself. went to go watch shot Mabo John Mayor. Shout Keystone Keystone is a jewelry store or watch store in Beverly Hills and. Spoil myself with those something actually spoil myself with something else to shout to. Fowler Gun from F. O.. W.. L. E. R. Gun Room in Orange California big shot by boy shown that is my guy if you need a gun to fowler in Orange County and they will take care of you. I just picked up an H. K. VP nine. and. Speaking. Of H K, I did tell you that I do have a collaboration come with them. We are working on Scott going on there is still out of work to do but does VP nine in California is law enforcement only I do not understand look at. California. Has fucked up gun laws, but I'll take it. I'm not moving too mother fucking Texas, not all the fucking toxic Weirdo people want to move to Texas Pharma famine poem that live there. Cool. But people don't want to move there. Just Man Weirdos. Before we get out of here. I got a shot my boy Jesse. He is the hardest working motherfucking Mexican dude. I know he is my my car detailer. He has been detailing my cars for seven years now, almost eight years and he owns company called cyclone auto detail. So if you go to instagram you, you just put in cyclone auto detail. Ask for Jesse tone that Ben Baller sent you. He'll show you some love Jesse I love you, Bro. You are fucking unbelievable and speaking of cars. The PML quick strike has been officially. postponed. 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The Franklin Cent (1787)

This Day In Esoteric Political History

16:45 min | 3 weeks ago

The Franklin Cent (1787)

"A quick word about a podcast that combined history and culture and sports journalists jones niessen revisits her memories of baseball's nineteen ninety eight home run race between mark mcgwire and sammy sosa. The podcast is called crushed. It's a new show from pr. Ex and religion of sports is all about what happens when your love of sport is built on a big lie joined joan as she seeks to answer the questions that are still lingering from baseball steroid era and untangled the truth of its many myths and stick around after this episode for a sneak preview of the show crushed this day in political history is brought to you by progressive one of the country's leading providers of auto insurance with progressives name your price tool you say what kind of coverage you're looking for and how much you want to pay and progressive will help you find options that fit within your budget. Use the name your price tool and start an online quote today at progressive dot com price and coverage match limited by state law. Hello and welcome to this day in esoteric. Political history from radio topiary. My name is jody arrogance. This day april twentieth. Seventeen eighty seven at the april twenty first in seventeen eighty seven the congress of the confederation of the united states authorized design for an official copper. And this was the country's first point it is referred to as the fuyo sent with. Franklin sent ten grams of copper. It was indeed designed by ben franklin. If one of you listening has one of these coins on this is a good chance to point out that radio topa is a listener supported network. We can only do this show through. The contributions of our audience. Coins are worth a fair amount. No surprise Maybe like ten thousand dollars or so. For some of the rarer mints will get into Kind of all the different versions of this coin that are floating around but he to discuss our country's very first coin are as always nicole. Hammer of columbia and kelly. Cardia jackson of wesley. Hello hello jody. Hey there So nikki where where do we start. Why does this country say we need to make a coin. Look a stable. Currency is something that is very valuable to a country and even though it's going to be like a century before the us starts printing. Its own banknotes having a stable hard currency is really important so people were minting their own copper pennies. Something they called coppers But they degrade over time and people with like chip little pieces off of them and so they were weeded to the price of copper. And if there is less copper in your copper It's worth a lot less than so people are finding that they were taking a penny from someone and giving them the full face value and they would wait and they would realize. I was actually worth that much. And so there was a real instability to this kind of coinage and the federal government thought that it might be a good idea to step in and have something more stable in that had the backing of the federal government. That's so funny because that word stable. I'm realizing those two things here right. It's both like in a physical sense like it just needs to be sturdy but then it's obviously in this more like money is a fiat Kind of thing And you know we. We did an episode A while back. But with jacob goldstein who was the host. The planet money he wrote this book called like money The amazing story of a made up thing. I think is the name of the book with great book but in that he described this kind of like free for all moment where just like different parts of the country different money and you would have to kind of like go if you went to a new part of the country. You didn't have the right kind of money. Like people are just making their money on their own so like this is a big part of this sort of project of a you know quote unquote real country. Yeah and this is kind of the first step before that before you get paper money. You have these These coins that are connected to precious metals so you have gold coins and silver coins and then because most people don't have that much money you also have these little copper coins and so this is a way of introducing some stability in a pre pre greenback kinda day and can i just say that these coins are kind of cute. Looks like there's so pretty. Like normally you know i feel like the. The penny has been so disrespected. As of late. I you know we we throw it away. What's on the ground. Bending over to get it you know like We don't put that much stock in pennies. But if you get a chance to go online and actually see what this actual coin look like. The design of it is really quite interesting. And so you know it's referred to the few deal sent because of the image of the sun and the sun shining down on a sundial with the caption of hugh joe. Meaning i fly or referring to the idea of time flying by. I think it's probably something that is helpful to think about But yeah the design is is actually pretty interesting and it's you know at a time when they're doing this for the very first time thinking about what's going to go on the coin in the end the symbols and the language i think is all An important part of the process to yeah. And let's paint a picture of this coin. And i you know i will just say my notion of ben. Franklin is a guy who just kind like. It's a little extra and does a lot of stuff this coin represents it is beautiful but there's a lot crammed into this like you could tell this franklin woke up at three. Am before everyone else. He really did it. I think it's worth worth talking about because on one side. It has the kind of traditional patriotic imagery that you might imagine. There are thirteen linked circles which is symbol of the thirteen colonies. It says we are one in the middle of it. So there's a nationalist project behind it but on the other side is kelly was saying it's got this like little play on words with the image of the sundial in few underneath. It says. Mind your business because he had to put some sort of atheism on it about like both mind your own business but also mind your business. This is this is part of trade. This is part of currency It it's a very very ben. Franklin kinda coin. Can i be dark though. Because we really looking at the chains and the chain links and i was like slavery. That's the first. I mean you kind of think of all thirteen colonies have slavery. And so if you think about. What is the basis the economic basis of this country. The chain link i think is is a powerful symbol for how we understand you know our economic any political foundations absolutely yeah and freeze. Also that's on the flip side. Mind your business Know obviously that can play two ways. you know mind your businesses and be good with your money and then the other one stop looking at my coin my business but i think the scholarship indicates that maybe franklin wasn't doing it as a play on words. Have that mind your business. As in like this is none of your beeswax that phrased it really existed at the time so it was a little more ben. Franklin sort of one of his classic adages of just like the farmer's almanac kind of keep check of your fares so we should talk a little bit about how this point actually got printed right it gets designed. There's a there's a sort of decision to to to print a number of these the logistics of. Let's call it the rfp's that the phrase the request for proposals the contracting out of this. This is our first. Ever like sketchy chaotic. Government contract Stories as well right yeah no. It's a complete scam so it wasn't necessarily meant to be but This guy named james jarvis Received one of these contracts and first of all he can't find enough copper for the millions of pennies that he promised to print. He hires guy named abel buell. Who is the guy who designed the printer. He invents Meant machine that allows you to meant many more coins at one time but because they never have enough copper. Because jarvis goes over to europe in order to try to find more copper while he's gone one of his partners is like i can actually make a lot more money printing coins for other people than for the us government and he so he uses up most of the extant copper in order to run the side scam and so when the federal government comes calling in his late. Give us our pennies. Here you go. They have like a few hundred thousand pennies and the federal government is like You promise us. Lake millions upon millions upon millions of sunniest. What have you done and they all just leave the country because they know they have nothing to give the government and that's that's part of the rarity of the coin is well is that there's only like four hundred thousand of them printed up so when you think about that in circulation still had one today definitely be worth a lot of money and then you know i think over in subsequent years or just because of the cat nature this. There's also this element of there's like. I think fifty five different varieties of this because they kept having to make new dies and make corrections and change it. So i think the numismatics among our listenership will probably correct me here. But you know. I think there is this kind of like Depending on which one of these points and have it. That depends how how valuable but we. I want to go back to one thing which nikki you told the whole story of the chaos around building. This thing you'd even mentioned that this all started with with just a straight up. Ten thousand dollar bribe to get the contract. I mean that's pretty normal government business but but you know it is interesting. I mean look i'm no i'm no government scammer here. But i'm just thinking real time you know if your contract is to make money maybe you should just wait until you actually printing the money and then just skim some off on the side. That's that's the way to run the scam. Keep your ten percent off the top. Just run the machines after hours. Wake up with ben franklin and run machines and no one will be the wiser so as we start to wrap up. I mean what do we know about what happens to this batch of coins and are they still floating around. Where where do things stand. Well yeah there. There's eight hundred actually. Eight hundred in nineteen of these coins have been held by the bank of new york for over two hundred years. So they're likely on the bank books with as a eight dollars and nineteen cents value. There's some many there's so many low-grade few grow since out there some collectors will pay upwards of ten thousand dollars for a rare you know. Excellent condition coin But for the most part you know the majority of these coins have really just been been lost And so there's not too many of them that that you would ever find circulation. Yeah in part because they didn't entirely all go into circulation it one point someone. I can't remember if it was in congress or one of the banks just found a giant barrel of them sitting in the basement The just never really gotten into circulation and so you have these These collector coins they the value changes might be a couple hundred dollars for some thousands of dollars for others. I think the bank of new york is not being entirely honest when they count them as eight dollars and nineteen cents worth coinage began. If you find one get yourself to a numismatic authority and have them not let you know what you've got. Yeah and just Just to add one little tidbit here. So this is seventeen. Eighty-seven seven we're talking about. It's actually just a year later. The e. pluribus unum is starts to get added to coins. And the seal of the united states is there so really just one little moment Where it seems like ben franklin was Freelancing little bit with his design. The english language had its moment pushed out by latin. All right well that brings us to the end of the episode and this has been very fun and again if you have one of these get in touch with listener supported nicole hammer. Thanks to you as always thanks. Jody and kelly crowe jackson. Thanks you my pleasure. This day esoteric. Political history is a proud member of radio. Tokyo from p. r. x. network of independent listener supported artists own. Podcasts are researcher and producer. 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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

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"Lie. Worldwide Sports. byline USA, and here's host Ron Bucks. And good to have you with us for this hour of America sports talk show. It's our anniversary show as we're celebrating with the people that really matter in that you fans out there. You've been wonderful to me over the years and the emails that I've gotten some of them. Nice. Some of not so nice. But at least if they're signed, I'll respond to them. I always liked the interaction between the fans because I think too. Many times in our profession meaning broadcasting that we think we have to tell the fan what the thing I think you guys out there and women as well are very articulate very insightful and you certainly do understand sports. You get frustrated of course because you hear what athletes are making, and so therefore, you think they automatically ought to be driving a lot of runs or scoring a lot of touchdowns scoring a lot of points in. Basketball but that's not the case they're human beings. But the discussions that we've had over the years with our open line segments, I have been very articulate and I. Hope I bring brought you up perspective that maybe you can't get anywhere else one of the things I'm also proud of is the fact that for fourteen years now, we've been associated with the American forces network worldwide five hundred stations in one hundred and seventy seven countries. And those emails and those comments that I've got from our servicemen and servicewomen mean a great deal to me. You don't know how many times I've run into somebody said you know I used to listen to you in south? Korea. Over in Japan or over in Germany, and of course, with our troops now spread around the world we get calls from Baghdad Afghanistan and other parts of the world and the means an awful lot to me. To be able to bring them some type of comfort. Let them here sports the listen to the athletes listened to the fans back home, and so it means awful lot. I will tell you a brief story one time when we were doing the show at the NC double a basketball tournament in Charlotte North Carolina I saw gentlemen white-haired ramrod-straight coat and tie looking off to the right as I looked down and he came up to me during the news break and he said I just had to come down here and say, thank you I said, thank you. He said I'm a retired general in the army and I just. Want you to know how much me and my men enjoyed listening to you during the Middle East war that was back of course, in the early nineties, and it's those types of comments that have made what I've done each day. So special and I've often said the first day I don't WanNa walk through the door. The second day I won't but I gotTa tell you something walking through that door has been one of the greatest things in my life and it's because you've you've fans out there and others that have treated me so nice. 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Michael. Jordan Wilt Chamberlain like that and when I think of football, I think of Jim Brown Joe. Montana and when it comes to baseball Willie mays Joel Maggio Course Mickey Mantle. I only had one opportunity to interview Mickey Mantle on Sports Byline and when he passed away in nineteen ninety five, that night the staff and I got together and we took portions out of the interview and interspersed that with some highlights of his career. We put a little bit of music to it and this is what we got. His kids and wanted. Tom. and. You'll be the comic saw. Rock and roll was being born marijuana. We would score so Dan on the corner, the national pastime went on trapped. Kluszewski camping. Austin Bay as. The man and Bob, Behler the scooter. Bob Or and They know whom all from Boston to Dubuque. especially. Mickey. Mickey Mantle. Struck out and grounded I. Dahlie. Like when I went up. In. Fifty one I was only nineteen years old. And Hank Bauer took me and you know he was like my big brother with along with Yoga and Allie Reynolds and all those guys you know me and billion why they were like little kids compared to the rest of and Casey didn't even have to ball if we did something that. Was Wrong. I mean Casey didn't even have to get on as one of other guys. One of the big brother's on the on the team with grabs and shake a little bit and say you better straighten up man you're you're messing with our money. Back in adding. Five with a right Hander Magli working. Out Nobody on. Those being surprised Magli fees, BP? Delivering. Food. Curry's. Dr, the I. AM. One. Problem Anyway. When we got back canceled I call my dad we only lived in in Oklahoma about one hundred, fifty miles from Kansas. City. Oklahoma Dad, and the DAD this make. just I. Don't know I feel like I can play baseball. He said where you and I sit in the hotel in Kansas. City, said wait right there I'll be right there. And he came up there and when he knew he, it took him about two hours except there he knocked on the door now in the door and he just kind of shoved me when he pulled my suitcase start class, what are you doing and he said? I'm taking you home. So you can go back and work in the minds with me. He said I thought I, raised a man you but a coward. Is Right foot right back against that very trending line is. Posing to. Close. The coming going. Record. Tehran. Can remember that After the last game Jackie Robinson came in our clubhouse. This is after we had won the series and he was going around congratulate and everybody telling them nice series and he come over and patted me on. Bacne said. Kids you're going to be a hell of a someday. I never will forget that. Mickey. Mantle. Looking down to Frankie Seti. As that sign. Back with the lead away dancing away from I, go three, one pitch one on a drive deep and right center field Hank Aaron looking over his that ball says it. Came out of. Two run home run into the bullpen in right center field. Will actually my favorite year was nineteen, fifty six you know what? I won the triple crown. and. But I the reason I always say sixty I think sixty one Yankees and played some great teams I think the sixty one Yankees was the best team I ever played on I mean besides Roger Hitting Sixty one home runs that year we had probably one of the Best Enfield's I've ever seen put together with the latest boyer at Third Koubek and second I, mean shortstop and Richardson Second. Moose and happy We had a good APP feel and why he want twenty-five lost four that is this. It was just a great team and I always thought it was probably the best team I ever saw balls T. strikes now awaits Stu Miller is ready. Here's the payoff pitch by Miller demand on. Mickey Mantle. Five hundred home run. Score. At the end seven complete in the United States Baltimore Four. I have a Lotta guys about forty, forty, five even fifty years old come up say Mickey I've waited forty years for this I'm glad you went and. Broke the is you don't told everybody and glad you're doing good. You got me back on track and It really makes me feel good to think that I've helped and I just wanted to in like the. Thing, in the book there, I want to tell the kids. Don't. Take Care Yourself don't do drugs and alcohol. Matt. Walk Stadium. Eighteen, years ago. I felt much the same way I do right now. I don't have words to describe how felt Dan or how feel now. But I'll tell you one thing baseball was real good to May. And playing eighteen years. In the Yankee Stadium for you folks. Is the best thing that could ever happen to a ballplayer? Kids wanting Bobby Thomson had done. And Yogi read the comics all. Rock and roll was being born marijuana would scorn. So Dan on the corner, the national pastime went on. Talking. Kluszewski, camping talk and. Tribute. To Mickey Mantle as he passed away in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, five gone but certainly never forgotten switching gears and talking to another baseball great on sports byline Hank Aaron he had to go through so much when he broke Babe Ruth's career record for home runs, of course, the bay seven fourteen Hank Aaron breaking that and setting it at seven five and when he was with us, I asked him about the popularity of baseball. I've never seen a young person yet regardless of whether he gets to the big leagues or whether he played professional baseball what when you start talking about baseball. Just brings a Glean A. US. Sunshine and that kids you know he just he's just feel like he can look brought then do just about anything he want to you. Yes. I would say baseball to me is is is is is poplar today as it was twenty years ago about the role baseball played in your life and vice versa the life you know what you gave the baseball as well as you sat back and reflected on it after your playing career can you put that into words force? I I've said this so many times you know everything that I haven't everything probably my family have and talking about my kids I to baseball financially he has given me the opportunity to travel all over the country. I have met all all types of. I've been privileged enough to go through the White House and. I've been to Japan to meet Mr Sano so. Without Baseball I'm sure that Henrietta would not have been well known as. I am. Now how do you keep the positive attitude because you went through some very difficult times you know in your book I had a hammer you talk about it and I just want to quote something for the book you say when you hear all your life that you're inferior it makes you wonder if the other guys have something you've never seen before if they do I'm still looking for it. It didn't take long to find out that the ball was still around after left a white pitcher's hand and it responded the same way when you hit it with a bet. I I. Truly believe that you know first of all, you know every growing up in. Mobile. Alabama, you know the first thing you always hear your life is that you never can. You can't and you never amount to anything. that was always part of most black kids. are going. Up. In the south. Unfortunately I think most of us who came from the type of and was raised in the atmosphere that I was Dave I'm GonNa be. Different kind of I want you to go out and no matter working decide that you want to always remember one thing. To give it everything that you've got the Gars Rut he said somewhere L. Online. Blake is going to happen and that's what that's what baseball did to me. I was. Able to go out and play hard as I could. And I was in the right place the right time when Bobby. Thomson his. I was in the right place at the right time when debris when looking for talent and I came along with some very talented young man, we won two championships. So on I think sometimes we make our own breaks same token I think that thing without the best of all of it. Not. Only a great ball player but also a classy gentleman we got so much more coming your way on this anniversary show of sports byline as we continue across the country and around the world with you on. America's sports talk. Show. 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Now there are no contracts and we give you a ten day money back trial period call provision enrollment right now for your risk-free guaranteed health insurance quote starting at six dollars a day eight, hundred, four, seven, two, five, one, four, five, eight, hundred, four, seven, two, five, one, four, five, that's eight, hundred, four, seven to fifty, one, forty, five. This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Bar. As I said a little bit earlier when we logged Sports Byline USA with twelve radio stations nationally back in one thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, I our first gassed Willie mays. He flew in from Reno Nevada just to do the hour with me and as we walked out of the studio and we're not particularly close friends I know Willie having been with him a couple of times in the bay area asked him why he had gone out of his way. And he said because I like the way you treat people and I wanna be able to look back someday and say I played a small part in helping you and indeed will you did and I. Thank you for that. We talked about his stardom and how he controlled or first of all, you have no control over that Ryan and I always when I was when I was nineteen I, My outta was Joe Dimaggio Anyway so when I was I guess, put in a category lack that it was just was a pleasure for myself to do that because being from Birmingham, Alabama we all we had and those days with read the paper and the three guys I watch at in those days was you know Muzio Williams and Dimaggio and I had to pick one guy and I picture you know Joe Because Joe could do just about everything and When I was pick I guess at Nineteen Round Twenty it. was just a pleasure to be throwing in that type of grooten. You became a professional baseball player at a very young age were just fourteen years old and when you finally came up with the giants as you reflect back on the pre major league baseball days and their major league career, which was more satisfied, which was more enjoyable to you because I got the feeling that maybe the unencumbered time in baseball might have been a little more enjoyable they enjoy the time. The Birmingham Black Barons had reason for that is that is make making five hundred a month. The teachers are making three, hundred a month. So it was a pleasure for me. They used to give me like cash money I would go to school every. Month and spread all money on the table and I used to just laugh I wasn't smart, but I had money. So those time was good for me. I enjoyed it very well, because Hey I am in ninth grade, an eleventh grade steel going up in able to perform baseball and do things that I guess guys have PhD couldn't do being here in the San. Francisco Bay Area A lot of chance to be around mark mcgwire and Jose. Canseco they were called the bash brothers and I remember mark when he was just a rookie with the Oakland, A.'s, and of course, we know what happened to his career set the single season home run mark with seventy until it was broken in ninety one barry bonds with seventy one but very articulate intelligent. person in that, we had a chance to talk about expectations and image and I hope you'll listen to what his messages is. That's important. I. Mean There's so many people walking in. And their own shoes right now don't know who they are and they wake up in the morning look in the mirror and they don't like what they see and it's depressing I was caught in that. Unless you're aware of what's going on and who you are, what you like, what you dislike you know you really you're just floating on air not in a good sense and You know it was important for me to understand who I was. and you know where I came from and how I was raised. and all those things fell into place and next thing you know my career fill in place and I'm pretty happy with it. You said, and I have a quote here. You said it was horrible and yet it was the biggest learning experience of my life both in baseball in life I learned that I had to be who I am not somebody somebody else wants me to be and that's not an easy thing for any of us in life to do and probably less. So for the professional athlete in the spotlight. So many. So many young kids out today are told to. To be or act like somebody else other than other than themselves and it's wrong. I mean you know God gave a gift to be here on this earth. and. That's great. But if somebody's embedding in your mind that you should be like this athlete or be like this act her. Or even even be like your father or like your mother. I, mean you know you you're giving what you're giving. You have to find out what that is and it is tough. It's tough. Sometimes, it takes failure to go through and wake up and to understand what each person's all about and I suppose the thing that you had to fight or at least find your own identity within the label of being a home run hitter. Yeah. It's tough I. Mean it's i. mean when I was younger I fought it. You know it's just It's not I don't like labels I. Don't. I don't believe that people should label athletes or anybody in public I like I said, we are people it. It's tough to live up to expectations but then again, that's what drives it. So it's it's almost like a double edged sword and it took me a while to to understand and to realize, yeah, you know I am a home run here. Let's accept it. Let's not fight it I was putting more energy and fighting it then accepting it and until ninety two, ninety three when I accepted it and it's worked out what did you do differently once you accepted as far as being a home run hitter. It's just it's like strength I mean, it's just you know I I can't say I stressed all the time about it. I thought it was a media I thought it was the sans. When people would lately I even thought it when I was younger when it broke broken eighty seven people call me the all American kids and I fought that because I'm not the all American kid I I'm just like anybody else I didn't I made a lot of mistakes when I was young growing up, you know an all American kid is again that's very proper. Doesn't make any. Mistakes and and always doing things that people want him to do, and that's not what I was all about and it took a while for people to understand what Mark Maguire is all about one of the things mark and I've told this story, a number of times on the air because I think it's a little bit unfair to the professional athletes such expectations that are created by the. Media just by the perception of the public but I tell the story about you coming off and I believe it was an eleven game road trip with the Oakland A.'s you got back in to the Oakland airport at three o'clock in the morning and there were a couple of families I. Guess there with Kids and as you got off, you were very tired they asked you for autographs. And you said I. Hope You understand it's been a long trip and I. Hope You understand. I'd like to get home and as you walked away some of the language that you heard upset you to say the least can you talk a little bit about kids parents and the sports per particularly professional sports? Well, I don't I don't really agree with the like people putting. The. General Public IF YOU WANNA call it being an athlete on a pedestal I mean we shouldn't be put on a pedestal I mean look what's happening today in sports I it's not right to put athletes or anybody in the public on pedestals because the public does not know what kind of background we've all come from. They don't know that that they're capable were capable of making mistakes we are. And when you put somebody on a pedestal like that and they break down what happens you know the public gets upset attack well, the public didn't have a chance to really understand who or where that person was from and I don't really agree with putting I think your father, your mother should be put on a pedestal before fleet or or some kind of a public figure and a very strong message for Mark Maguire and I hope it's one that a Lotta people who listen to it will he because I've never felt that athletes are role models they didn't ask to be I know that they're in the public eye but a lot. Of them at least today are not prepared to be role models speaking of outstanding athletes and somebody that certainly came from marks kind of background as far as upbringing and work ethic was Barry Sanders Barry Sanders. When he joined us on sports byline the very first time. The thing I noted because he was coming out of Oklahoma, state won the heisman trophy and he was going into the national football league with the Detroit. Lions and as he sat in the studio I looked at his hands and I saw the calluses on his hands and I asked him about that and he says, well, I come from a family with nine sisters and A. Brother and he said my dad and I always worked doing a Lotta roofing jobs. So he had that background and I think most of you fans out there certainly do remember him for when he would score a touchdown as flashy as the run might be. Once he crossed that goal line, he gave the ball to the official. He didn't dance. He didn't throw the ball down didn't make a spectacle of himself and I think that is one of the things that reflects on his personality we talked about his roots, his upbringing and his work ethic. Is a lot of things. I think really going back to my childhood and seeing my parents just get up and work hard every day and I know my father did a lot of carbon work and things like that and You know he had me and my brothers up a hammer and you know sewing and pouring concrete and and all kinds of things like that, and so I remember getting a very early You know and going wherever and you know cutting down trees and doing all kinds of stuff just to stay busy and He would always say that you know there's nothing better than being able to go out and earn an honest book. And I think that that was one of the things really that that helped me out. Even today because you know I I, look at how hard he worked in our heart my mother working for me to have opportunity to be able to go out. and. Do something I really enjoy Something I'm good at something that you know does a pretty good at paying the bills. You know it's pretty it's pretty simple really compared to the things that that he had to face and so look at it as a privilege I think it's easy to kind of relax and take it for granted. But if you really look hard along at my life and the opportunity that I have I mean it's you know it it only. It's only right for me to give it all a half. You know because you know so many people don't get that opportunity very, very candid comments from Barry Sanders and as I listened to him and Mark Maguire. Athletes that have been with us. I smile thinking back of the memories of having the opportunity and being lucky enough to spend time with them. We're coming back. We have a lot more to go here on our anniversary show of sports byline. And now, today's rust eating tip of the day presented by free all deep penetrating oil. You're all set for a quick tire rotation until you have a rusted on wheel. Those lug nuts and penetrating oil. 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So there's no risk for free information call now one, eight, hundred, two, hundred, Fifty, eight, eighteen, that's one, eight, hundred, two, hundred, Fifty, eight, eighteen, one, eight, hundred, two, hundred, Fifty, eight, eighteen. This. Is America's sports. Talk Show Sports Byline USA. Here's Ron Bar. Some people call sports journalist. So call sports by US SAY Rhonda. Heard. All over the world. Today. People talk about. Saying he's the man to listen to. Donald you learn. Getting the biggest names in sports for you. I was using on the wonder and that's no plunder other radio. Under His fans speak their. Jimmy with mini hip was. Getting, around all over the city. Everything everything. He's the coolest guy that chew would ever be. On two hundred, you read stations five, hundred overseas. Interview Talkin sports all the time yeah. Sure show. The. That's blunder on the radios boy soundbites. Fans speed. Getting Jimmy making hip with. Around. thinking. Of You? What you're listening to all. Black. Commentators, video interviews who give you. Could've was yesterday today and tomorrow ran by figures. On it me to love me. Here with you with your listening public and keep can everyone of them, God bless you. Ron. Thank you very much in America. I. Don King only in America. The song that you heard how many people get a song written about him we were down the Disney wonder ship and we were doing the show off of that and some of the musicians got together just off the top of the heads they put that song together and it's one that we like to play each year on. Our anniversary show I might tell you about Don King. He is one of only a handful of people that I've interviewed over the years in which I have been able mean give an answer that goes on and on and on I literally one night when he was on the show got up, walked out of the studio went down the hallway got A. Drink of water came back and Don was still talking Dale Brown, the former lsu coach with another one that was like that as well. Let me switch gears and share with you. Probably the most requested interview that I have done over the years on sports byline and John Miller the broadcaster for ESPN analyst San Francisco giants very, very talented play by play. Man. But also, he knows how to enliven broadcast from time to time with impersonations of. Pr. PA announcers, and others around baseball. Here is the time the John Miller joined us on sports byline. Well, he had something about some story about cows and the fact that they're polluting the atmosphere and there's a move afoot to get rid of the cows. To save the ozone layer or something and he he claims he read it in the La Times or whatever. But he said what if they had hired the milk is reported hired Harry. Carey and he's talked speaking out on behalf of the cows and so we did it again, I don't have a bit for this but he's thinks this will be hilarious. So So I just had Harry come on and you know say Hullo are very body Hari Kari speaking on behalf a cow I, watch all this Baloney about getting rid of cows how about snakes who needs them? There's nobody talking about getting rid of snakes, Ho, cow. and. Of course Vince, Gully is somebody that you've done and time and time again and you've taken him kind of international. Now haven't you Japan Mexico freeware well for me and I you know Vince Gully I love Vin scully I think he's. The best ever broadcast baseball everybody. I mean people who Harry Carey might not feel that way by Bennie. But for me I think he's the best ever. And I have enormous respect for but there's a lot of young broadcasters in particular who take a little bit too far. They respect him they use him as their model, and then they sound just like him, which is not it's a mistake has vinnies got his own unique sound right I mean you and I we just here's the wind up and the one one pitch Lonzo ball to two and one. But you know he's much more elegant than that much more lear the one pitch on the Laker low ball to two and one dusty Baker you know so. It's always obvious when somebody's doing Vinnie but I never understood his international fame until I went to Japan last year the Major League all star team televised couple of games and I had a chance at long last year the legendary gain Shiro Asami the great broadcast or the Tokyo giants low these many years and I was very excited. I filled with expectation flipped on the TV and and you can imagine my surprise when he came and he was doing scully Or ties you I've Iraq Owing Stadium Knee Arenas Hajime much day does your school Oh ball to? Ought to dock Emma. Foul. Also is is Kelly doing a Mexican ball now to did I hear something? I was on the recent Caribbean cruise with the Orioles. You know we get these every winter and went down to Caracas Venezuela, which racing for me because it's a great baseball area they've got the winter league's going and had a chance to hear the great broadcaster down there in Caracas and same thing he was doing scully this this really floor of you know he's like Roberto well. June. Lancer Door Mono V also be any all la CIENEGA foul those those consent Kotani Quaranta Doors, Hong runs esda annual tries gone farmer Wan. I'm guessing on case me harboring Todo El Mundo. You ever wondered I mean does. Does he talk like that all the time you don't have any wake up at home like that. He must. We had him on the show about two and a half weeks ago and even on the telephone sounded that way I. Mean I'd like to hear your. Six thirty in the morning maybe and we'll hi everybody and welcome to the Scott Bedrooms. Say Darling whereas my blue sides hey, what's for breakfast today I? Hope we don't have that oatmeal again. That's not marvelous at all. Maybe the whole family talks everything about. Maybe. If there's a VIN junior maybe we'll junior that's a C minus in chemistry I'm afraid that's two weeks restriction Oh dad know. George Mobile. Alabama. Great. Who is your idol as a kid? My Idol John Wayne. I. I love the duke you know Vince Scholars just in. L. A. And Vince Gully is there what do they call it? The walk of the stars of the ronca fame outside Mann's Chinese theatre right there with Kirk Douglas John Wayne all the big movie stars and I often thought wouldn't it be incredible? If instead of being baseball broadcaster vinnie had been say a star of Westerns like John Wayne maybe they had switched or something. One of my favorite John Wayne Movies was called the sons of Katie elder. You ever see that it opens at the cemetery. Katie's buried John Her son a gunfight away to the over he's the wind's blowing you know. tumbleweed little guitar doomed new sheriff walks up behind probably water brandon. Whoever was you know and do you know oil hello billy? A OUGHTA know better and Sneak up on a guy like that. You almost got yourself killed and so on. So we can see Vinnie in that where the big ten gallon hat you know. Doom Lou. Old Duke or hello is sheriff and welcome ours grave was a mile cemetery beneath Ruslan blue skies framing a pewter grey cloudiness and say you know you had not a snug opping me like that billy because I almost lost my head I was so scared. Everytime I hear any announcer I. Think of John Miller no doubt about it either Yankee Stadium or in Boston the other night I was watching an Oakland as Yankee game and when he comes on and and does what he does and you do it better than I do. So I'll let you do it. Bob Sheppard the Yankees Day forty years. Now they had a day form just before the season started they played the mets I love Bobby's He's a speech professor at Saint John's and so dignified. So elegant you know a Good Ning evening. Ladies and gentlemen. And Welcome. Welcome. To Yankee Stadium Stadium by this, it's like the second inning already you know he he's allegations Kinda slow. That's the amazing thing about Bob I. Love you only also does the football and it's an incredible thing when he's when the forty niners played back to you sometimes can hear him in the background he's like. Carpenter Govender. The ball carrier. Game of three. To the giants. Forty two. Second down. And third down. and. Funding. Situation I shouldn't. I went out with him once an incredible. I wonder to what he was really like in person and we went to a cafe the waitress came to the table he said good morning morning. And Welcome. To Our table and the incredible thing he actually echoes it's not the sound system and Yankees Fan Bob Echoes and he ordered his his mealy said I'd like. A number one. With eggs. Over? Easy Tumble one and everybody in the restaurant. A now sherm feller at fenway I love him. He's exactly the opposite big booming voice but he's always asleep up there. You know he's like are kind of the guy he's got a t shirt cigarette back rolled up in this leave. You know he's sleeve sharp time the lineups you. down. Ladies and Gentlemen Boys Girls. Are GonNa Find Priok. Today's game betraying. Between. The Boston. Red. SOx. I Q and. MINNESOTA. We had a call from Minneapolis. I loved the the Metrodome Bob case had been there for what twenty nine years the old met stadium now. The metrodome and he He sounds like he's angry you know because thank y'all walk. down. The lineups right donny. Lv Shot. Everybody wait a minute. What's my scorecard? Give me a minute just. The one and only John Miller and I. Hope you enjoyed it because every time I listened to it, it's just amazing. How talented the man is he does a great job with ESPN and with the giants and his ability to impersonate So many people around the sport, very, very special all of us in broadcasting. Particularly I think play by people you'd think about Al Michaels in the great moment that he had nineteen eighty with the Olympic hockey team up there. Hope that will have the opportunity to be associated with a great moment in sports well I had. That opportunity when I was doing the play by play. For Stanford University, it was back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two, it was the annual big game between Stanford and cal and I think you probably have seen the play many times on television. You never can quite prepare for something like that Stanford at just kicked a field goal to go ahead and it looked like they were going to clinch the game and go off to a bowl Bob Moore the former tight end for the raiders with my broadcasting partner, and here is the call of that great moment. HARMON will kick off and I'm sure he'll keep this ball in play with four seconds left to run out the clock. That is a swift kick going to be picked up. Forty five. That over the left eye. Over the field and the ball game is going to be over with attack omitted midfield. Really, Friday all over the place. Totally louder what together bad on the field and company is. I don't know what? We're GONNA. Before. But, we have a penalty flag down. The penalty flag count at the forty, five yard line they're saying down for. Walking along is. Still waiting for an official. I can tell you who it was, but the last person I saw was number twenty six. which would be telling Moore. Tell get. Back to. The field. Back. And forth at one point like it the beholden. The Ball? backout they continue while I. Guess. Thank you to feel taking the play with down I blaze. They flagged effort. Tell dead ranch agenda while the red ball. Looks like the football? Games. Remarkable. Eddie can football game I've ever seen I've never seen anything like doubt that anybody ever will be anything like the end of this football game and indeed they never will that was an incredible play was Kevin. Moen. The did score the touchdown ran into the trombone player from the Stanford Band and the one thing that I'm most proud of we always hope we get the playwright remember I called it the game was over ten years. Later in two thousand, two in the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle as they celebrated the tenth anniversary of what they call the play they had a picture of the official down the right hand corner with his hands above his head signaling the end of the ballgame we have more coming your way on this anniversary edition of Sports byline Nice to have you with us as we continue with more of you in America's sports talk show. Hello and welcome back to the Ronnie Deutsche Tax Program on the line is Paul from California. Hi Paul what's your tax problem today? Hi. Ronnie. Love your show listen I've got a big problem. You see my paycheck garnished last week I'm only get half the normal amount to make matters worse the IRS froze my bank account listen of embarrassed and scared I Need help listen Paul you don't need to feel embarrassed he just needs some tax help and the great news is the IRS has some unbelievable programs that can eliminate your tax debt. 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I have to be honest with you as much as I've enjoyed talking to the athletes over the years and allowing you all the opportunity to listen and talk to him as well. The real joy I get is just opening up the line seeing what you WanNa talk about seeing where we're taking it I. I really enjoy that but one night there was a young man that was driving down a freeway and Kentucky listening to us. He called us up it was during basketball season NBA season, and we started talking NBA basket well, ball well during the middle of that conversation. Yeah. He was gone a little bit too fast and patrol officer got in behind him. This is what happened. Let's see what Mike is doing. Where are you Mike I found you go ahead in Bowling Green Kentucky. Western. Kentucky Parkway that's headed likes. You know where it is I make this trip about three times a month and I always tune you in I caught the tail end of a halftime update at podcast was doing he was Kinda slamming Dennis Rodman what are you? What's your viewpoint? Do you actually think that a ten thousand dollar fine and in a game or two not being able to play do you think that really affects the player I mean does that kind of teach them a lesson? Just two things I think in a affects US pride particularly when it's in the playoffs because he knows not being in there, that's certainly going to hurt the San Antonio Spurs. All second. Yeah. I'm getting pulled over. I cannot believe this. Oh, you are. I can't believe I, are you getting pulled over I? Okay. Now tell you what you what I want. I'm GonNa get you out of this one. Okay. I'm GonNa get you out of the U. Kentucky State Police Officer I I. Think He's a state trooper. Okay. Well, you just put him on the telephone. You roll down the window telling me on the sports byline on national radio across the country. Let me talk to him and see what you will. Tell you don't make any shaky moves. He's got. He's got the spotlight right in the rare. Allies theaters blue-eyed. Car Right now, what what were you doing? Do you know how much speed where you're doing? Well, I kind of glanced down I think I was doing like maybe about seventy three or seventy, four and sixty five, I mean not be able to get you out of this. I don't. WanNa. Let you go. Let me talk to the officer got somebody out one other time. Just roll down the window and tell him you gotta telephone there and you're on national radio and that I want to talk to the Window now okay. Yeah. I understand that. I don't know if you're GONNA believe it or not but I'm I'm on the air. If it's a radio program if you'd like to talk. Put the officer on if you will. Guys. Speaking. Yeah Officer. One yeah little. Like is as registered yet. Can you put it on the speaker thing where he can hear it Can you put hill feature on my car phone? You don't have the feature on the car. Henna officer. Yeah. This is Ron Bar on sports byline USA, you're talking to two and a half million people and also four hundred armed services stations around the world. Tell me what Mike was doing. Wrong. What was he doing? Wrong officer. Are Walking New and seventy five, hundred, sixty, five. Oh boy that's not good. Mike should not have been doing that Well, he was talking to me and I'm not trying to to to take any blame off of him but if you can give him any consideration this time because he called up we have open lines here across America and he was talking to me and I'm sure he probably just kind of lost track of his speeds. You can be nice to him I would appreciate it. Well I I don't know about this. Oh, I'll never had a call like this before I don't didn't figure that you did who's your favorite team officer? What's your first name? My name is John Hi John what's your favorite team for what for anything? Are you a Kentucky Wildcat Fan Oh. Yes. I Got Kentucky Wildcat Fan I I gotta ask you something Mike What what happened to them last year I really thought that they were going to go the distance I really picked for the final four. Why did they break my heart like that? Ask Him. Oh. What happened? All of a sudden we were getting. Mike. If you're out there listening to us on the radio, please call back we would like to. We'd like the rest of what John had to say guess who we have reconnected with Mike you back on the road again right I didn't get a ticket. Raising your awesome. I work in Radio I. Tell You what you're getting bumper stickers you're getting hatch or get. Tickets tapes of your choice. Any kind of music you like you got it man John Say I mean he had to be blown away because he was about, give me a good answer I think to the question of what the heck happened to Kentucky. He he I guess he cuts. Off Button connected and then he handed it back to me and he started laughing and he told me, you know I'm not going to give you a ticket. You know smart bad a little bit. You know and then he asked me he's like, do they cover Kentucky sports a lot. And I just kind of explain to him about. The National Shell and that you know they get calls from everywhere bad and he he walked back to his car laughing hard I. It was just completely funny. Oh, you are oh you're on I always tell you did if you're ever in Nashville. So the lesson to be learned here now is if you're listening to sports byline, make sure you have our number on speed dial. If you are going faster than the speed limit, you know we tried to fine trooper John Because I wanted to fly him out the San Francisco and let him co host tonight of Sports Byline, but we never could find him. But one of the great moments in the history of sports bioline not only did show. But the network is well, I've known John Madden for a long time thirty two years old when he became a head coach in the NFL with the Oakland Raiders, and what you see on the air and the way he has been as the way he has always been well, he joins us one night and I had heard the story about a golf tournament had been in and something had happened to his pants and I asked him to explain. What happened is as you know how you're you're outside, you're walking down the fairway and year and you're Kinda feel an era where you shouldn't be feeling air. I was feeling air coming through you know the back of my pants and so I was playing at the time I was playing with Don Shula and Bob Greasy and you know Don Shula one more football games than any guy in the history of the sport and Bob Greasy was always class guy as a player, a person and a father and announcer and all his thing. So then I am so I feel back. There you know where the seem is because sometimes if you split your pants, you split them usually at the same. So the seam is in tap. So I'm still thinking there's no rip back there I'm okay. So I'm going blind still feeling this air whipping through the back of my pants and I you know there's something wrong here. So I feel it's off to the right and there's a big hole in my pants. So I, told those guys I said I got a hold of my pants and they said they knew it because it was the whole like right side. And so I couldn't do anything until I got to the turn. So I I got the you know after the nine pro and I went and got some safety pins. So I tried to pin it back good and when you have a rip in the back of the pants, you can't get anyone to help you I mean Don Shula Bob Greasy aren't going to stand there and help me so. I'm kind of on my own in this deal. So I'm feeling these pants and the whole is so big and when you're my size, you can't go into by pants but I started looking at everyone's pants and I'm enjoying their pants. So now the guy look after I tend my pants and he said I don't think that that's going to work. You know he said I'll get you some tape. Got Me this real thick electrical. Like like four inches. Yeah. So he went and got me that. So in the meantime Joe Patchy joined us. So I you know and the guy comes back just as Joe Pepsi's coming up saying, hello, he's GonNa play the back nine with us. I'm coming up and says, I got a hold of my pants and I gotta tape them now I got this black electrical. So I go up there and teeing off and Patchy says. I, thought you said you had pay for your pants. You've got your pants pin than they haven't worked. So now everyone's looking at my pants. So anyway, to make a long story short now, I'm trying to get the the tape on and like I say you don't have rear view mirror so you can't look at what you're doing. You don't know. I mean the guys are friends but they're not that friendly that they're gonNA. Take the back to your pants that you blew out. So now I'm walking down the fairway and pulling pieces of paper and just stick them back there and hoping that I got the whole thing. So I had no idea what the Heck I looked like. Then finally I. Have a like a windbreaker jacket and when I when I left the thing back to the hotel, took that off and tied it around. My waist to go through the hotel. Then when I got back to my room and I looked at my pants, man that was ugly now, can we assume there'll be a John Madden kind of clothing line coming out of this someway John gotta be I mean this is got to be money-making somewhere in there. There's no money making an that was the ugliest site that you can ever imagine and and to have the whole right side of the back of your pants with black electrical tape all over it. Just wasn't a little slamming. This thing went down like an l shape. You know in the whole the whole thing I mean there was stuff sticking out it was. and. Those guys you know you stand on a or you make you know everyone has to watch you when you make your shot. So they were kind of friends in fact that they watch me but they weren't friends on the fact that they were going to help me do anything about it. Yeah. You had the worst combination. I. Mean you've got or not marina which you've got greasy and you've got Shula and then you've got Joe Pesci which is like putting gasoline on a fire. Well, yeah and they're not gonNA. Let me forget. So now I'm looking at it everyone's pants, and I'm getting envious of pants that don't have holes in them. and. Ended up into the whole thing. It was it was it was like, yeah. People. Say they have an embarrassing moment that I you know this was an embarrassment that lasted four hours. I'm this thing didn't go away. Only sports byline can you hear a story like that from John Madden coming up in the next segment Billie Jean King Dale, Earnhardt Dale, Earnhardt Jr., Carl Lewis, and so much more as we continue with more of America's sports talk show anniversary show on sports. byline. Have you written a book you can become a published author with Jordan's publishing the nation's oldest publishing services. Company countless authors have trusted dorrance for nearly a hundred years to bring their book to the market are professional team will editor text design your book pages and create an appealing eye-catching custom cover plus our authors benefit from Custom Book Promotion Marketing Campaign that make, yearbook available where people buy books like Amazon and brick and mortar bookstores. So make this free. 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Bars a great leader doing the sensational job. We love to listen to him God bless all of you. And thank you very much Tommy Tommy of course, a great ambassador for baseball Billie. Jean King has been a longtime friend, and if I had to point to any one person who probably is responsible for what I decided to do back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, and launching the first National Sports Talk Radio Network its Billie Jean King because I had the idea as I said after talking to Duke Snider Having Somebody, say you know I've waited thirty five years to talk to Duke? Snider and you're giving me the chance and I said to. Billie Jean I got this idea but I don't know whether to do it or non. She looked me in the eye because we're very kindred souls and she said Ron I know you well enough. You Never WanNa look over your shoulder and wonder if you could have and she was absolutely right about that she joins us once on sports byline and we talked about losing about kids a very poignant message here I do think about losing but you know what I think about how much I hate that feeling of losing the pain level goes Neil right up. Right. Right. Feel the. Totem Pole or whatever, and I can't stand it. I, hate to lose. I know before I played Bobby Riggs that I go. Okay. Billy. How are you going to feel the morning after you wake up and Bobby Riggs, just beaten you in front of eighty million people go ahead. What are you gonNA feel you're gonNA match over and over and over again and guess what you're not GonNa get the chance so you you know I went through all this and thought about it. And turn that into a positive visualized actually winning I have to win and try to go through my preparation knowing that I'm not GonNa win just because I'm thinking about I've got to pay the price I've got to go through the routine that discipline every day I've got to work out. So when I walk on core, I've done everything I can't my power. To have my own act together, and that's all a human being can really ask themselves just to try to reach your full potential that's it, and I think the worst feeling is to go on the court and knowing. You. Know I haven't paid the price for this one or I just come off in the operation or something. Then then you're you really are shaking up attitude was important in our household always good about my mom and dad like with Randy me they really didn't. Care for winning losing and in sports like are we winning in life? I mean, are you happy? Did you try your best? Those are kind of questions they asked us. They got very much more specific I think important like. Doing children come home from school. And go how'd you day or how a school? But if you get more specific with them. Did you have a reading class today learning in reading or whatever you know zero and make the child focus. I think my parents are probably pretty good at that. Now I think back because if I came home from a match, they didn't have to ask if we WANNA watch US look at US pretty obvious I mean the kids shoulders drooping if you've lost and if you've won the kind of bounce in and try real humble Allah whatever you. Know what's going on if they just look at their child? But The. Thing. They have this you know like if I lost, those are questions this who did you feel you played your best? Did you try your best? Billie Jean King a true sports pioneers. She's done an awful lot for sports particularly women's sports and I do remember another comments you made about the Bobby Riggs match she said to me she said, you know if I lose this match when I get up in the morning to play it and I look in the mirror if I lose this match I won't be able to look in that mirror the next day if there are two. Names that are associated with auto racing. It's probably the petty name and the EARNHARDT Name and I'm GonNa share with you a moment now from the late Dale Earnhardt and then right after that his son Dale Earnhardt Jr. because Dale talked about junior and then after Dale passed away killed in that tragic accident at the Daytona five hundred Dale Junior. was with us and he talked about his perspective on life after his dad's death I. Dale Earnhardt. He's doing a great job. You know he's he's a little frustrated that he's not been running that great in the last several races. He was really happy after Sunday's race hit led a lot and he'd been up front and. after winning some races early in the season in SORTA thrust rating knock to win again and their their Tom Com think they're working in being pressure south to? Be you know front and winning again but it will happen if they just relaxing do their job and junior he's a I think doing a great job. He's coming around and seven down settling into the role of a West Gut Racer. Very nicely. He's still excited about everything going on around him. A lot of things are going on around him so and I think he's quick to understand what you need to do and what you have to do to. COMPASSI deal. So I think he's using his head a little smarter than I was and maybe he'll grasp it sooner than I did. It's fun to watch. It's fun to see him doing. Well. I've you know grown up around the racetrack at around the sport it. I feel very comfortable. There I don't Under any circumstances ever I never you know that's that's the that's probably the best place for me to be. In any circumstances and? I think that you know the once you get inside the race car. Demands all you know all your attention and all your concentration and all your focus and you know that so anything that's going outside the race car, you can handle it and you know once you get inside the car that everything's GonNa be time when you look at what you have gone through, have you put it into perspective yet I mean how are you approaching it and using it in a positive to move forward with your life? Dale. Well, I mean you learn from from everything and you just you just really got to concentrate and focus on all the positive things. That have happened to you We've We've dealt with a lot of. Adversity this year but but all in all we've had a lot of great finishes in the race teams performing well, and that's going to be really important for our future personally. So The worst thing that could have happened is for us to go out there and not form well, not be competitive but we've been able to do that and be able to run wail and it's It's helped. It's helped everybody kind of you know have something to look forward to. The continue to be motivated. Dale earnhardt and Dale Earnhardt Jr. like Father Certainly, like son Carl Lewis has been with us many times on sports byline and the thing I like about Karo is that he does say it like it is and I remember a nineteen ninety-six which was the last Olympics that was in Atlanta. whether he was going to win the tenth. Olympic. Medal are not and as I watched on television him win that Tenth Olympic Medal, I knew that he had done it with a special purpose and we talked about that special purpose that was. Probably the strongest moment than ever had in my life where I wish he was there I mean I great accomplishment and great achievements. But all relationship was very, very special. It was very strong and that I wish he'd been there and he was with me on the victory stands and I I I gave him a little look and I kind of communicated but that was. One moment where I really wish he'd been there. You're absolutely right. You know it's interesting. I just knew the connection when I saw it and you got you stood up and you pumped your hands in the air and I said, I know what this man is thinking about what do you think your dad might have said to you if he'd come out on the track at that moment? I think it would have been the last navy last. He said it was a proud of you're doing that was the probably most the strongest statement. Father's ever told me just and I'm proud of who you are and what you're doing at that moment I think that he would have padding on the back for just hanging in there and doing what a Lotta people thought couldn't be done because. Part was the kind of person that's always don't. You should do what you think is right even if it seems wrong to others do what you think is right and be a leader in that time I had to take charge charge I life that period of time and I think that's what he would talk more about than the metal another touching moment share with you before we break. Here MARV, Levy was with us the former coach of the buffalo bills and you never know how an athlete or coach is going to touch somebody but I have found over the years. There are a lot of fans out there. That will recall something that a coach or player did touch them very deeply and when mar was with us one of those callers share that moment with him. Marvin pleasure talking with you tonight. Thank you Jim calling from Akron Ohio, my wife and I have been great big Buffalo Bills Fan. So the last ten years or so and we've really enjoyed watching you on the sidelines and what you've brought to the game of professional football also enjoyed watching on your TV show with Paul Maguire thank you. But we just want to let you know that that you are a true inspiration to many people around the country and around the world Especially, my wife Pixie she's gone through a an stared down in the face of adversity over here she said fifteen or so surgeries on her jaws and over the last eleven years or so she's pretty much attached herself to the buffalo bills and and from doing that, she learned to keep going in the face of adversity and she learned how to get the drive and resiliency. Failed Surgery here or failed surgery there and I and I think that that you coach and the bills gave her that resiliency to continue on because she's learned a lot not only from football but also from the way that the bills handle themselves as an organization and you as a coach and she wants to tell you that you guys never lost the Super Bowl you just ran out of time. I thank you for what you've given to us and and in your retirement speech I. Know You said that you wanted to thank everybody for touching your life, but you indeed have touched our life, Sir John that's I'm heartworms by your comments right now they're they really are very special to me sent a special. wishes. To your wife and words of admiration for what you just described. She's gone through if the. Exploits of the Buffalo Bills and anyway have provided inspiration that is tremendously gratifying to me and I wish you and your wife, i. think you said fixing maybe Dixie I I didn't hear it real carefully. 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But this is what he said about working on the Fox crew. The whole thing about making a point. This is what I was telling how he one day is that. and. How is exactly right? He'll breakdown film and he'll talk to six people and and he knows you know. That we don't have a four hour show. He knows it and it just drives in nuts. But in overtime, what I've done is take take a situation like. Raiders are going to change quarterbacks this week. So one day on the Air I'm just an example. I'm thinking okay. My point is they're they're raiders change quarterbacks. So it comes to me my time to talk my dad and I was fishing day at Lake Caddo and all we were catching fish right and left like you ain't never seen big old bass using a chug allure. But. Then all of a sudden we didn't catch a dead blamed thing two hours went by wind caught a fish and my daddy leaned over to me and he said son. We gotta change lures. and. So we changed lures and went to a crank bait and ball we started catching fish. Well, this is exactly what's happening Oakland. Now, they're just changing lures and so we. Quite come out and. Is Looking at me like what home we need to send you. We go to commercial break and I'm embarrassed because I thought it was funny and he said, what's the matter he said? Change, lures he said, what's allure? Vision flood. God, but that's what I like to do. You get and a lot of times you'll get something out of them. You'll get a rise out one time when Chris Colin I ron I came on. This is so funny. Chris Collins came with a reputation disallowed mouth rip Rip Raiders Davis Rip Rip Rip Kansas City praying back. You know Lindahl dollars. I mean. So we are at Fox. Well they tape everything NBC back then. The whole show was own tape. So if you screwed up your stuff, you could get it perfect eventually because you just keep taping it. But at Fox, it's all live with the exception of the football field. Everything's live when you talk the world is listening so. Chris has got it all being a lawyer. You know he's got it all down. He's got it down. He's got it memorized now he will make a flaw. It's going to be perfect man it just sets out and I can't do that I i. know have any notes I just Kinda got an idea and I go with it. How always listening to him and so this is like the first show. And so Chris is going on he's got perfect and how he just interruption what is that? What are you? What is that? What you mean data that? Christner been interrupted on a live television show he didn't know what to do. He. said. Yeah. He started making fun of and I am absolutely off camera and I am on the floor and I am laughing so. I stand myself because we didn't know this. That that that they taped everything and so we're go coach. He's a man you just threw him off track it threw him out of his mode because he had it prepared memorized boom and how just do a wrench in there and said, what do you mean and then it just got out of hand and I'll laugh I couldn't find myself. Oh, absolutely. Laughed so hard when they've come to me, I'll just fall out of material on the floor can't talk. That's the way it is behind the scenes with those live shows the things you don't know or don't see or don't hear about it. I was doing the Stanford Games as you heard a little bit earlier that Nineteen ninety-two game against Cao the greatest ending to a college football game. The quarterback in that game for Stanford was John Elway that was his last year there I had the fortunate. Capability of being able to do four years, John's games at Stanford, and so I had first hand witnessed how great this young man was in college and how great he was going to be, and now, of course, in the hall of but one of the things that always kind of hinders an athlete is no matter how great they are as a talent is if they don't win a championship, the Big One, as you say then a lot of people. Don't think that their their careers are complete. Well, after John, had been able to win the first super bowl and then a second super bowl we got together and he talked very candidly with me about finally winning the Big One. It never know and tell you when one really what an impact it is on your life I think I'd put fifteen years in pro football, four years and in college, as well as three years in high school that You. Know you WANNA be a champion. I'd never been a champion and football with one baseball titles in Highschool football at Stanford we were. We were Kennedy Yorker we're right around five hundred and then. GOING TO DENVER WE aren't three super bowls in four years. You know eighty, six, eighty, seven, and eighty nine, and then there was a big drawback there, and it really is far as my career was concerned until I'd want soup or Ben on a super bowl team I was not going to be the core that people thought I could be and so this catapult me over the. Hump. and was a great great thrill is one of those things that you know fairy tales do come true. After. Fifteen years of hard work and it all paid off. So it was a great great thrill couldn't happen to a nicer guy or more deserving talent. The other talent I had the chance to witness throughout his entire career and he's of course, an outstanding player is Jerry Rice Jerry with the forty niners coming in out of Mrs Mississippi, Valley State to school that very few people even heard of when he came on the scene he was raw I remember a particular ballgame early in his career against the New York. Giants where he dropped the pass across the middle of really costs the forty niners dearly. But of course, the time went on and of course, he was part of what was a sixteen year run for a San Francisco forty nine or franchise that turned into five super bowl championships and certainly no doubt about the greatest wide receiver to play in the NFL. Everybody knows about his work ethic. How hard he works in the off season and we talked about the challenges of football from his perspective and where he came from. Very difficult is the ultimate challenge. Off Season. You can sustain this you can. You can. Survive planning a NFL. Fellow challenge and and I think the reason why I'm out there doing this because I'm I'm really afraid of failure you know that motivates being that everyday drives me to go out there and work hard. Yeah. That's interesting. You should say that I think every athlete that I've talked to always say that they fear that and yet when you see them in a rough and tumble sport like football. People don't sense that fear is a part of their makeup. How is that a driving force for most athletes I think it it's the driving force because you know when this is all over, I don't want to have any question in my mind about you know not being in the best shape of my life not being able to go out there and play my best and that's why I worked. So hard on all season and you know during the season there things naturally, and I think I have to do a extra during the season just stay shape. You know. I got in front of me the book that you've come out with that you wrote with Michael Silver it's just a gorgeous book and as I opened up the first page that I open to was a picture of your mom holding a an autograph football and I'm just wondering the role that she played in your life is very important. Awesome. My father. Yeah I think they instilled in me Know about hard work together. And the also I feel like they raised me right way. So I, give all the credit, my parents and and You know it's just great because now you can look look back on those real tough situations and you know just to see your parents. Smile. You know that's The most gratifying achievement. Tough situations for Jerry. Rice along the way to professional football what type of advice did parents give you? Just. Growing up in a small town that grew up in you know I you know I think Not being exposed to so much as the big city You know everybody knew each other in in. In. Their community. So if you did something wrong you GonNa get disciplined are not get back to your parents somehow you know. And you didn't want that to happen but you know with my parents You know they just pushed me encouraged me and you know like I said I give credit to them and and then when I first got drafted and I wanted to give something back. So I went back and I I go to home and like I said the most gratifying thing to see them smile and be happy Al Joyner said something to me when I was down in the Olympics Jerry, you probably can relate to this. He was talking about he and Jackie and he said you know the worst thing was if we ever did anything wrong, we weren't afraid of the police we are afraid of the fact that we had to deal with her parents. No wave. Home and you know that you work on to be disciplined smalltown America certainly has its benefits has it helped keeping you humble as you've reached superstar status. I think when I first came out here I try to be else you know I I tried to leave at Mississippi image back in Mississippi and Really worked out well for me. I said my La- Cherry Hook. Don't try to, be. Via, south and I to really treat everybody the way I would like to be treated. So you know that's why I respect. People and and I expect the same thing retired Jerry. Rice is evaluation of a game. How do you break down as compared to what the coaches of the fans and the media might see because I'm sure you have different evaluation process. You know when you walk off that field whether you've done a good job that particular day talk without a doubt, the second the game is over you know. I'm very critical of myself I, I, I. Almost, like you played a game all over again, you put yourself back into those situations and he said, well, you know what? If I had this different or something like that so I'm still looking for ultimate gate. You know no mistakes just go in there and play my best football. It's amazing to obscene him his entire career in the bay area and just watch how he played football and what he gave to it and to be able to play football. As long as he did knowing the brutality of just the physical damage, it could do to your body is just amazing our final. Interview that I want to share with you as with Buck O'Neil Buck O'Neil played in the old Negro Leagues, and of course, he headed up the Negro League Baseball Museum in Kansas City, and he is just a treasure. He's one of those guys that remember the game played. The game loves the game and he talked with such great passion. But he had a very special answer to a question when I talked to him about his favorite baseball memory. It was one that surprised me. But I think it says an awful lot about him and about the beauty of baseball and just about life in general. Yes we opened the season in Memphis Tennessee on Easter Sunday in nineteen, forty three and listen first time up. I double. The next time up on them the next time I I get the ball over the left field fence. The next hour up I hit the ball to left center looked like it was going to park I'm going to force base hit the fence hit depends it depends in the did hit the fence Bob's back between the Sellafield in the left field I get to third base coach calling me to come on and get an inside the park home run but I stopped the food because I wanted that the cycle and I did and listen that night I get to the hotel and and Relaxing and William Disney who's Abu traveling secretary was downstairs having dinner and the man that owned the hotel owned a restaurant in the hotel His wife was a schoolteacher and she had asked some young school teachers to come and meet some of the ball players, and so they will have in the downstairs and visit me come downstairs and some people won't. Be The meat and when I got downstairs, the people were sitting at at a table in front of the door and when I opened the door I look reading. This young woman's is an I. Walk Straight to say, my my name is Neil. What's yours Merita and we were married for fifty one years. I had a great day that he's to Sunday. Such a great moment it says so much about bucking about the love for the game as well. You could just hear the passion in his voice again like to thank all the athletes that I've had the opportunity to talk to the coaches, the managers, the general managers they've been so kind to me and I love the interview process like asking the question that brings out of human response because I think you fans out there can relate. To that late Trevino I didn't ask him how you hit a paid shot to the green but I did ask him your Chicano you grew up in. Texas. How hard was it to play a White Man's sport? His answer is the one that everybody wanted to hear. So again, I thank them for that. 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I don't WanNa sat expectations make it sound as if we're trying to will ourselves off back into normalcy because it's going to happen when it happened. So maybe take a real look at things going forward from twenty, twenty, two, twenty, twenty, one. I feel like if we have logic that we can stick to than, we should try to be as logical as possible. I thought. Okay. You know we're six weeks. Six weeks sounded like it was going to be enough time based on what was happening everywhere else. We're just a a much larger country with lot. Of a population, you know as far as obedience adherence to over told especially for an extended period of time like it's been. Remember after the Michigan Ohio Game. Michigan Ohio State, Michigan Ohio state game, and a little bit of a panic attack, and I ramble on about how I felt something bad was coming I. Don't know what it was but I'm like it's going to be bad and things aren't going to be the same anymore and I have never in my life and so upset to be correct. Yeah that that feels like ten years ago. Doesn't it everything from before? Feels like it was a long time ago you know they're going back to January. I mean this kind of knocked the Kobe. Brian out of the headlines when you can take that face value, but we'll take a darker walk into twenty twenty one maybe a more real look. If not just a dark cloud book, She's General Jeff it's foul territory it sports overnight America this is the sports byline broadcast network and we'll be right back. This is sports overnight America. Hey I'm andy if you don't know me, it's probably because I'm not famous but I did start a men's grooming company called Harry's the idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience I had buying razor blades most brands were overpriced over designed an out of touch at Harry's our approach is simple. 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You're listening to foul territory opportunity all around the world we love Y'all. Welcome back everyone you're listening to foul territory on the sports byline broadcast network jumping John. Rich. With you from Phoenix Arizona and we were looking ahead into the future. Gen. All the way to the year twenty twenty. One. Twenty one. Catchy is the year two thousand. Brian made that loss of. Wondering what was going to happen in the year two thousand and they just kept doing it i. mean they probably still do it. If you know he's short to show to thirty minutes show now. But after commercials looking probably realistically twenty-three, maybe I don't know if there's time for wacky. Not, a lot of run time for the bits. Yeah. I would think that that's all the show is you just cut some cut the second interview you cut the musical performance. From the monologue I have to admit once once BC kicked him to the curb, I just couldn't keep up with them the basic cable. I. Got Kinda hard. So that that's the past we're here to talk about the future and and one thing I wanna to point out before we. Get into things here is. I've not minimize the pandemic from a perspective of how you know how I approach everyday life you. Wearing masks in public staying in as much as possible When gathering with friends, you know maintaining out know social distancing standard. So you're I'm brushing it off but. When we come on the air at ten o'clock we heard it all day. Everybody. They've heard it all day and I just WanNa have fun. I JUST WANNA. Make Sports, what they're about for me, and hopefully, you can spread the joy of that whole thing in the discussion and if I don't have to dwell on the crisis that we're facing I think. It makes a better radio show of course, with that being said, you know we're not going into these dark places we're hit we're trying to You'll give you nightmares or know put you in a bad presence of mind. But we're watching another we're paying attention and the things that we want and the things that are happening you know aren't running parallel I think that that is. Probably a pretty good consensus statement for everybody that enjoys. The subject matter that we speak of. so We're look ahead to twenty twenty one I want to acknowledge you know what? It's cost us so far. We've had. On. MSNBC. Cut Short at spring training, and barely made it back for the end of summer. Correct We had. Launch Shutdowns in the NBA and the NHL and. The NBA ends up playing in an arena y'all in front of nobody where nobody owner calls at home you're not playing the magic they're playing at Disney right virtual fans. So they have virtual fan. Hockey at the same thing, Fox actually put baseball fans in. The virtual fans were real. They just were virtually there. They were imposed into the Lai footage, right? And then the the animated crowd is talking about in for the Baseball Games on Fox? Yeah. That was. That was a little bit silly. The NFL on the NFL, some teams have come back very. Close to normal. You always had. Ten Percent Twenty five percent twenty, five percent capacity in some stadiums college football is accused of not really limiting capacity in any sense. We also the Games without fans I mean, we lose the fan experience. I. Think. That's a big part of this is especially for college. Sports. I. I don't know the where do you think it's least impactful. least. impactful I mean would whatever university has a not successful team where people aren't going to see them more? So across the spectrum of sports in terms of having I'm GonNa tell you what I think I think when you're on the field, you're on the court you're on the diamond you're on the ice. You're in the game you're in the people around you do you really give a crap about the people on the stands? Do you even have time to look and think about those people I records most impacted as football and the crowd plays a big role? I. Don't think. So in basketball I think that you know you're probably a little bit foyt of the reaction I I'm with you in baseball I think that they just tune out the crowd altogether in Baseball I. Don't think you know other than coming out of the Dugout you're start the game and you know the the the fanny game. Pageantry is the the the standing insuring with you strikes into outs while your team's pitching in you don't some people like the wave some people don't You know don't really WanNa, sell myself as leading one way or another watching people try to initiate wave at a game. The wave itself is a little exhausting though didn't but I like watching people trying to get one rolling. Because they're very ambitious and many are unsuccessful and jealous of their energy the how do you have that much energy how so? We miss out on that energy. I, think that we miss. Out. Watching on TV. I the the reaction from the crowd is it is part of what we've come to expect. And after you know after months, I mean baseball star did everything more or less started late July early August so you'll we've had we've had it for a couple of months now do are you immune Jewett or you kind of used to the silent crowds? I appreciate it because as somebody who has a very active mind that's always kind of going in hearing everything It's nice. 'CAUSE I lake catching up on, you know social or maybe reading or something, and just periodically checking into the game. So it just less noises that I have to hear. That about the synthetic noises that have been pumped in ideal like natural sounds though. Being able to hear. Bats I like sound of skates on ice and the puck hitting the pace parts. You, know. As we go more digital you know what I want to say that it's necessarily going to be exclusive to cutting the cord, but you'll cable and. Satellite companies are going to need to build functions in that. You have the multi camera options that you get with the APPS. You know I think that there is going to be a different viewing experience and maybe this kind of accelerates process towards that because there's such a heavy reliance on television. Not, just for beyond just for entertainment purposes, but for the sport itself, Scouts, they can't you know if they're still restricted from travelling restricted from going to the Games, they rely heavily on television. So you know I, I think that there's gotta be more out there to cater the grand audience than just the paying customers would be nice. If there was an option to mute the announcers if you don't want to or mute the background noise, keep the announcers or vice versa in my house, we never had the sound on for wgn. TV Because we had the radio playing with the TV was that runs the answer like going back to your childhood I would not be able to remember. But you know that was a big thing sinking before the whole seven second delay and finance yellen signals bouncing off satellites when you just picked it up off the the antenna or Cable from your local station running into your house, you could sink that stuff. It's it's a more difficult now in the in the digital age and you know with the satellites where you know we got one receiver in the House. That's. Behind the main receiver in our house, what I was getting out the with the digital options Anna. You reminded me of it I'm glad. I wish there was always a ballpark option I think that if you watch TV on your computer, one of the audio you have both the home away TV home and away radio occasionally national radio Spanish feeds but you also have those ballpark option which turns everything off laws. You'd hear the crack of the Bat. Oh and then when they make PA announcements, do you hear that like when they actually say something of course? Blah Blah Blah years, ballpark. That's that's the networks whole theme with the The BALLPARK CAM is just it just sits there and had observes you know you're not You're not listening to somebody presented to you. It's just presenting itself to you and You know we could probably use more more of that. I think that there's the concern and we heard it a bunch in this twenty twenty baseball season about you know where you were the pires could hear the players. Players. The players that were getting tossed because they were sitting yeah. A couple of Rosbach and. All that's believable or can you even see now they weren't even playing that day. It was just hanging out with the team. Bench to. Empire. Umpire benchtop Pires sometimes the cheap seats to the umpire and the Dugout to dugout where you could see serious beefs developed. Throat. Jeff it's territory it sports overnight America, and we'll be right. You're listening to Sports America. 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All bikes are created equal in this year studio, but ill-equipped numbers on and in no particular order. One of US has microphones. One of US has my phone number two. You're cool with the this whole set offering. Yeah. I figure it's the trade off because I have mine blue so it's pretty. That was by design. Yeah. It's a better looking mike is absolutely not. You've been with. With us here on the show since twenty, one, thousand, nine or. Back now in January twenty, nine hundred. Okay. You had a normal year someone normal year nineteen. Normal. Year twenty. That's right we've We've renamed used back to your to your real name it happens with all of us I big that. I think it's easier to break in with the for me. It was a pen name because I was writing before I was. blabbing here on the radio and you just kind of. Jumped in head first. Hit the microphone start doing the score updates and then started participating with the show at a larger capacity. Then, you know I appreciate your input. I. Appreciate You following the Minutia that is old the depths of the regular season. When you when you do the scores we had a long time where we have to suspend the scores because. You had no scores to give. I did in all fairness. Offer to still give my they still had the list of who should have been playing that day. I did offer to provide projections of how I felt those games sweats PLAYS OUT PRETTY WELL I think it's a good chuckle for like three or four days but. Again. We know how long this was going to allow we still. Only last So I i. would assume going into the grueling third or fourth month well, I mean I guess that it hasn't lasted all that long because you've had scores just about every night since July twenty fourth. However. To, KB one night I think they did K B o scores, one night, we may have I think just the the first. That's apparently still going status advertising for that three, forty five am I apologize for the die-hards out there listening from ten PM Pacific. Time. On forward into the night. But I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't. Closely, enough I thought I'd saw a clip I believe from the K. Peo where the player made it look like he did not catch the ball and it was a home run in. He let the guy get all the way to home. He let the announcers call it. I think they shot off the fireworks and then he held up the ball in laughed at everyone. Korean. So glad that you brought that up because that that's been a point of conversation with every time. I brought up the it's like. You've seen you've seen a highlight. Everybody's. Twenty twenty and you know the circumstances are deeply ball centerfield center fielder jumps up and comes down to disappointed runner runs around the base the umpire signal it'll homerun fireworks going off and. s rounding third throws the ball because it's been as club literally. My questions Eugen is as someone of those probably a little bit of a prankster in your in your. Day. What's the? What's the payoff for that like like you got everybody but Then why if I had a way to recreate that feeling for other people? I would be a drug dealer. This is feeling you get. It's just. A mess with people it is just personal sign up sign. Yeah. So K B O kicked. Kind of was the was the cold open into the episode that has been sports here on the back end at twenty twenty they had stuffed animals in the stands for awhile. Stuffed animals were cool. Is it all sorts of fun stuff cut cutouts, cutouts for kids in hunting them in the hospital you know I think that stuff's cool when they started enterprising and they setting for one hundred, Fifty Bucks, she'll Hewlett. One hundred and fifty dollars to the organization or. One hundred fifty dollars is going to the organization. That, still doesn't Jive with music that needs to be kind of one hundred percent. I I understand you got pay somebody to set him off. I understand a little of that money goes where it's supposed to. That's why you really gotta look into the places you donate and make sure like all of its. Nearly all of it has gotten getting to where it needs to be were totally skeptical. chirp of air quotes charitable organizations here are the program I think that it's I. Think the thievery is disgusting thievery under the guise of charity. It's just a I. It's just a step. Yeah. And so Speedo step lower talking avowed. The glass, half the approach to twenty twenty one that we're going to probably be in the you know we could be. Say probably it's a possibility. It's a possibility that we could be repeating twenty, twenty and twenty, twenty one not do you think that branding all of twenty twenty after? The. Virus. It went from being the irs just being you know the technical name for but. He does a disservice to the. First couple. Months. Of. The Year The hockey, the hockey season saw Boston run away with it in the in the last. Minute pardon me in the East and you'll yet teams that were close but no cigar in the West that. Got To scratch and claw their way and because the playoff field was. Expanded I I mean. I feel that the first part of the year of kind of deserves to be separated a little bit from you know what happened from mid March on. It's unfortunate. But like we've stayed up before, it's not like just certain teams were singled out. My guess is everybody got shafted in one way or another. Yeah and wh Lo. We have at the beginning of the the Super Bowl we had. You know. We probably you probably things that. Are Big in the world of Sports from a broader perspective. But you know with you and I with our our tunnel vision things like you know Daytona and the Aussie Open you know they probably don't do. A whole heck of a lot for us but you know those things happened in the beginning of the year and you know we still went to the waste management opened in Phoenix You know. So we we saw College Basketball College baseball. We saw spring training. We did a lot of stuff for four. Thankfully before we were not able to do stuff. All, right so Twenty twenty one ends up being the same thing as twenty twenty. what's the biggest question that you have a what needs to be different in two thousand twenty one to four to avoid doing this into twenty twenty two. As far as far from US where we need to wash our hands, we need to stop making out with strangers I hate those little shake baseball. The let's take the case of the MARLINS. Let's take up the case of the Saint Louis, cards stricker stricter penalties. In what way? You can't have a bunch of teams playing crazy doubleheaders. All of the time to accommodate people who couldn't follow certain rules, and if you don't have in your roles that there are ramifications for not following the rules and wide, you even have it wasn't a crazy amount of pages. Yeah. When they made their player agreement and there was a part of their about the season and corona virus protocols yes I mean it was like hundreds of pages long and there was essentially no repercussions for violating any of the policies procedures in place and I got I mean the the optics I take from it is that that was mlb writing every piece of language that they needed to not be held liable. At put together procedures that say, Hey, you need to follow these rules but you on the flip side of that your few things that you consider a crime and there are, and there is no sentence for it is it really against the rules? I feel like, Cova. Really kind of exposed the MLB for. I WANNA say how poorly handled them an organization it is I I think I don't think that they're very well regimented I think that they cannot trust the teams to police themselves. Goes way back. I don't think the same thing with new with Major League Baseball I e were as I think that the NFL the NBA Nhl they all run a tighter ship that MLB I mean do you agree with that or not? I do now I think he's kind of started to see it crumble and which is Kinda new comparison to maybe some other infractions by other leagues but. It's gotten. It's piled out of control with the. Right you know and and these players. It's just the organizations are so deep we of course, they most didn't have anything to do because we canceled. Minor. League. Baseball I think it'd be a shame. Not, not so much the shoot football leagues that are you know are going to be able to get themselves off the ground or pick up where they left off by minor league baseball more scam tiny goes on the guys are going to have to walk away from this game and find essential jobs. I think that that is probably one of the larger casualties of everything for you know if we can. If we play. Major League Baseball, we could play minor league baseball right right. It's just we have to have I mean no, not all the news organizations were pulling in or we'll probably making money I mean a lot of them will probably kind of out. You don't have to get rid of. Everyone. I think the big league teams need to. Need to support their their local lower level team, you see all kinds of. Twenty twenty with the vehicle. I don't think that it was very clear from the agreement other other than the fact that they. Were void of prosecution or persecution for. Not Following the protocols that were that were built to protect them. And Wink wink protect them from facing lawsuits. I had read at one point, the cubs, the only musician did not have any covetousness. Congratulations flood better than a hunk of metal. She's Jet Trafton's foul territory. It's sports overnight America. 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Welcome back from the break to generate standing by Jeffords speaking now in Gen speaking of calling back from the break. We've already seen three sports have to resume. you'll football come at Yale, college football players more so than the NFL, the NFL canceled preseason play and canceled their off season activities. But they had the you know they had training camp and their season started in thus far has continued as as scheduled with you know with a few hiccups because they are not protected like the NBA in the NHL. How do you think these players not that we know particularly how they spend standard off seasons but a what do you think would be different going into a second hiatus if you're baseball hockey or basketball I think depending on how you felt about the first one you may be participating. If you have to be again. So if everything's the same. In. The says we're going back to Disney now I i. think it was thirty, they twenty two teams there. I think that if they go to your thirty teams in a bubble that they're gonNA have to split the say they'd have to do like the NHL and have California Florida California New, York something what worked out so well about the Orlando bubble and yeah, there were eight teams that weren't there. Disneyland Disney world. Does I don't know that end. Up the same way with the. Enough they are either. It never really explored. Disneyland. Today unanswered there's a whole bunch of hotels and stuff around it. There's GonNa. Be some kind of area for sports there. There is he'll. It's Orange County I. Mean we've had an aerial view. There's not. Very far he's Very in park you know I I would think they'd be maybe there is room to build something but I, don't know that they have the complex like Disney's had for such a long time because they host host you know, College Basketball Tournaments high school tournament that arenas used probably more. So than any actual NBA arena, you know even for you you consider between even if you share with the hockey with NHL team, you have eighty two regular season days and then y'all wanna Max of like fifteen playoff games. So. I think that it's a it would leave fifteen in the If. It's all best decided. So it's the same amount of games that it takes to to win a championship there, which would be a sixteen but I don't think that you necessarily have the infrastructure to do that in many places that Toronto could probably do it for hockey when you have. Multiple venues but. Everything was in the it was on different floors but. Because they didn't play. They didn't have to play the Games all at different times because there was one floor and Orlando right there were there were multiple floors they played on. So I'm always keeping score, I'm not always keeping track of people playing facilities you're not always keeping schedule your. The various floors used. In the bubble on the NFL is going to stock a league that hard it would be hockey. It would certainly not be basketball. No I. IF I remember correctly, we were playing games simultaneously I I. I. Don't know if that you know that facility can host. Thirty ed remember this hotels available because Disney's not You know not hosting. Families four days at a time and. They're probably you know now the basketball season's over maybe they're starting to to do limited capacity as those parks are eager to reopen. Thought, Disneyworld Hampton Open. Completely possible. I mean most of the. Dow Employees at Disney, what? What are their the CAST members? Yeah. CAST members. I mean a lot of cast members are asked. A The overkilled. LII. In a lot of cases. Fight. I don't know I think that there are ways to do bubbles without having necessarily to be you know to play on the same complex and stay in the same hotels and things like that. I think that you can. You can split things up. I mean you could. You could switch things up you could take staggered quarantines to you ought to move city you know to to move. Blocks so that we're mixing up the bubbles. So we have different you have five bubbles yet six in each of all, you play a round robin and everybody goes their own way, and then you know. You just stagger it. So the not everybody's on hiatus at the same time disneyworld world it's been open since July. Okay. So so Disney keeps on keeping. But I. I think that for fuel has always been suggested as bowl for football because you could to hub. I don't know if they have the hotel rooms to host that. The frat houses find. Great. Greek life is a really sold bed. that. Highly. For Ohio State, I know some guys that have. Been Fraternities, Ohio, state, and the. People and everything. But. I don't think that you know how status necessarily not even within its own state where you've got Athens and allow university right down the down the street there. But. I think the college has been hit the hardest I think that it's part of the college experience. It's very finite I mean it's just like everything else prom graduation everything else but. I think that it's a true theft of the college experience You can't you know go to football games and it was a big part of your college experience. Right I feel sad for the kids at Iowa. The hospital but don't get. Well they'RE GONNA GET WAIVED Dad By. The players and the referees and the coaches. and. The announcers eventually, they will be waived at it will be waived at the at the big ten a long time to get going. To College football, still kind of an uncertainty, how's the HUZZAH PLAYOFF GONNA go? How are we GONNA decide the playoff teams with? With with one team starting in September. Some, starting like third week in September starting in late. October and then like your mid American conference with of November start really playing during the middle of the week in November which they. A difference for them. No. In front of probably know fans. He's only a slight change for the for the Mac. It's just cool cold and so-called all. There's all seven o'clock on Wednesday nights and it's like forty degrees and raining no WANNA know white mind should be out there if you love the tea that much fantastic. But like. No one needs to be out there I mean the program the conference is doing you this favor they're putting them on ESPN you'll have to watch out of a pirate unions listen pirate radio to figure out what's going on watch on the tablet on the table because it's only available on some random APP, and it won't cast anything because it's ransom APP. You know before the before the mid majors gets us, those games they're playing on your watch ESPN ESPN three. I. ESPN plus now. You know in other other streaming only services where you're getting the radio feed simulcast with what's on the jumbotron time. So you see like the Nacho ads. The fifty fifty drawings and you're watching that you know we're watching that are living room in Phoenix because we're watching Northern Illinois football. Yeah. Very interesting viewing experiences. Big Tad got a late START PAC twelve with the late start at the. SEC, not not exactly starting right at the beginning. But I, I think that it's either their positives I. Say we're going to be kind of glass half full and even if we look at it You know if we get. Twenty you're probably not going to get the staggered start to college by that, they're going to be a more uniformity in college in college sports in general going for forward going forward I. I think the decisions were made at different paces. I think that there's going to be more. Unified fraud but. Sunbelt football. I watched more Sunbelt Football Games in twenty twenty van in one thousand, nine, hundred, Seventy, eight, twenty, nineteen, combined. It's been fun. Now they've been okay games. I've watched more Korean baseball. In twenty twenty then. The I watch baseball for the first time the same on games from games I could watch sports from around the world if we needed to fill the void but yeah, I think the idea is to not have avoid I think the twenty twenty one what are the interesting prospects coming up is is baseball because You're just going to need either having a second abbreviated season. Or. You're going Ryan have to expand rosters like crazy to accommodate the the pitching because you can't go from throwing two hundred innings to throwing aid throwing. Two hundred innings again, you know it's just it. It's a medical impossibility to to be able to do that. I would be very surprised if they force these players to try I, think the agents will get in the way. So I wouldn't surprise me if we go from sixty to eighty or sixty to sixty, what's your number for the twenty twenty one major league baseball? I imagine they'll have a better. It's like it's going be a surprise like it wasn't a middle of season like ham here. So with a good idea that it's it needs to be not that many. I think one hundred. Two one hundred. How much do you read into maybe not so much sprint training maybe no training at all. How much would you read into allowing fans for? The postseason and carrying over into twenty twenty one. I the same question regarding the bubbles do you think that the fact that they went to a bubble postseason was more to get it done without the travel back and forth? Absolutely. And the risks of weather I mean I I don't know if you saw when the world series in world series was going on. There was three feet of snow in the crowded Minnesota. You know if they're trying to play games a target field though those aren't happening I mean. But the twins usually take care take care of that potential dilemma that MLB has and I'm sure they'll be lots them every yearly. You don't go out in the first round. What the twins do? We still talk a about sports in the twins while while though is hog up a spot don't do anything. Brains. You brought up spring training wanted to ask you because was it. It was on the table for twenty twenty. It didn't happen because we just decided to shut everything down rather than trying to negotiate with the the public health crisis but Florida. Spring Training venue bubbles do see that as. Something they might explore for twenty twenty one. Absolutely. And you know what you could make not. You could do probably fifty percent capacity you probably can't sell lawn. At Spring Training Parks for you'd have have some kind of regimented seating. PORTIONS OFF Like Joe Basketball I think basketball is comfortable going to one location I. Think you know or fuck counter following you the footsteps hockey and? If the entire Western, conference. GOES TO EDMONTON AGAIN THE ENTIRE EASTERN conference. GOES TO TORONTO AGAIN. The the NHL explore that possibility two sons I have some kind of sports I don't really care how they do it. In football. I think the football seems pretty committed college football. You have to the pros though I think they're pretty committed to playing games in their own stadiums there hasn't really been a there. There hasn't really been a problem at all. With the teams playing each other, they're not they're not they're. Immune to it but they are. cleared. And they're the the games themselves are causing sprint breaking protocols when Games aren't going on the biggest pro. They condition their bodies to be in such a state that they wouldn't want WanNa whisk getting sick and have the possibility of deteriorating everything that they've worked for its through livelihood because he's not just like you know you cough a little, you don't get over it. It's been shown to cause severe lung damage and people. It's the same reason to watch playing basketball and watch pickup basketball in the offseason football player. You know it's the same reason. You don't go skydiving deal. If you're a model, you know you, you don't get into bare knuckle boxing. If you're going down the runway our way overtime here she's General Jeff it's small territory sports, overnight America bareback. We are the debt destroyer network, any debt you have credit card tens, student loan debt call. Now for free information that helps you destroy your debt. It's great advice plus when you make this free call now. Dead destroyer experts ready to help. They can show you how to destroy your debt and get your life back on track debt problems don't have to be overwhelming. 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In twenty twenty one that looks like Those plans are very fluid at this point Cleveland and Salt Lake to follow I would like I would think that the NBA is going to try to give Lebron James and Ohio All Star game before he hangs it up and you know there's a definite finite amount of time that they're going that they've got to work with their so they might bump everything back a year or they might just give Indianapolis the grand old shaft. That sounds probably more likely. It happens you know Phoenix they're all their NHL. All Star game because of the lockout Columbus losted in the they got it back but it will be the Florida Panthers, losing their all, Star game, and The Minnesota twins target field, the Minnesota Wild I should say losing their winter classic and those those are unfortunate things. Are you know once in a once in a great while opportunities? SO WE'VE GOT Winter Classic on hold all NHL All Star game on hold a. what do you think is the best case scenario if you had to tie it to an annual event as far as all star Game Super Bowl world series. When you think we will get the next one plate under normal circumstances. Would you what do you think that? Twenty twenty two. I think we're still optimistic and twenty, twenty one I think that if we can get college football and the NFL kickoff on time. With no masks and capacity crowds. At the beginning of maybe that's a very you rose rose tinted lens outlook. By I think that if we can get football the beginning of twenty, twenty one that's best case scenario but I, I think that we could go into twenty, twenty, two and beyond. And with that, we're GONNA say they. Hope you had. humoring this conversation John until next time for John Scott on the other side of the class, my name is Jeffrey. This has been altered story on sports overnight America Nasty to for more sports coming up next hour on the sports byline. Hour. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network. Lie At. HARTLAND NEWSPEAK DOT COM. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by. Follow us on facebook twitter and instagram search. Welcome to the Public News Service Daily Newscasts for October twenty six. I'm Mary Sherman the Senate voted fifty-one Forty eight Sunday afternoon to limit debate on Amy conybeare nomination to the Supreme Court paving the way for a final confirmation vote. Possibly, this evening Republicans hold a majority in the upper chamber have pushed ahead with one of the quickest nomination proceedings in modern times following the death of the late justice. Ruth Bader GINSBURG last month Barrett's confirmation. We'll give conservatives a six three majority on the Supreme Court. And while there is a lot of attention on the High Court today, Eric Take off reports federal judicial appointments to lower courts could be just as crucial to the legacy of the trump presidency Larry Shannon with the Washington State Association for Justice Says Lifetime, selections for District Circuit and Appeals Court judgeships will have impacts for decades to come. It affects our lives in so many ways that are clear and and that are hidden to us ways that we can't even necessarily his pay right. Now. Because Republicans have controlled the Senate and presidency for the past four years, they've been able to appoint two hundred nineteen judges under President Donald. Trump according to the American constitution society trump inherited more than a hundred vacancies because Senate, Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell. Refuse to confirm most of President Barack Obama's appointments in his file two years in the white. House. Shannon is concerned that the fast of nominations has led to approving some unqualified candidates including ideology driven judges, nominees with no trial experience. With just over a week left until election day more than five point seven, million Americans have reportedly cast a ballot already, which according to a new survey surpasses all early ballots cast in two, thousand, sixteen the poll by CNN Edison. Researching catalyst also found the by age younger voters are also casting significantly more ballots and make a greater share of the pre election day vote than they did around the same time four years ago, and all of the key states with information available. Satellite Voting Offices on Montana College campuses are helping to get students to the polls this week. Bradley. Semen Missoula County Elections Administrator says these events bring the elections office out into the community we're trying to help make it so that voters can get through in their community and can be served quaker easier. MTA. Have more access to elections in trouble. He encourages people to vote early because the county is expecting long lines at election day due to social. Distancing requirements. The White House is facing a potential second outbreak of the corona virus after at least five people and Vice President Mike Pence is inner circle tested positive in recent days both pens and his wife Karen Pence tested negative. Saturday the vice president will not be suspending his movements despite having been in close contact with several of the AIDS just a positive. His aides on Sunday asserted that pence is not subject to recommend a quarantine because he is an essential government official. This is P. N., S.. While Arizona isn't seeing the surge or second wave of covid nineteen cases, a crane and other states public health officials are concerned. The pandemic could rise again epidemiologists say some rural regions of the state haven't fully recovered from the first wave and could be hit much harder a second time around Dr Daniel Dirksen Director of the Center for Rural Health at the University of Arizona says, four rural Arizona counties have had double the per capita number of corona virus infections and deaths than the state's urban areas. Often, the rural health infrastructure isn't geared up to take care of folks who require higher level. Care that's where we saw a lot of the difficulty durch ince's Arizona's rural hospitals and clinics often are forced to transfer their most critical covert patients to facilities in Flagstaff Metro Phoenix or Tucson I'm mark Richardson nearly two months into the school year. South Dakota teachers say they're feeling the weight of extra work brought on by the crisis that's according to a new survey from a key union the South Dakota Education Association recently reached out to more than eleven hundred educators across the state seventy six percent of the respondents indicated they as seen an increased workload since the beginning of the school year. Union President Lauren Paul says while many districts are doing full in-person learning some parents have opted not to keep their child than class during the pandemic meaning teachers will have to do more online planning to meet that student's needs quite frankly teaching online there's more work than Than Teaching in person ball says educators also having to more contact tracing if a student becomes exposed to the virus, I'm Mike Mohan. Almost, three quarters of voter. So identify as religious say they're worried about climate change amd believe it's affecting extreme weather in their state. Nadia Ramlan has the story from North Carolina. A slew of hurricanes have battered the North Carolina coast in recent years with increasing frequency and many communities are still rebuilding from two thousand eighteen hurricane. Florence. That's on top of sea level rise and more intense rainfall tiffany Hartung of the climate. Action Group interfaith power and light says North Carolinians of faith want leadership on climate issues. All of this is taking an enormous toll on human life and our communities. This poll really clearly shows that people. Have faced are paying attention and they really care about protecting God's creation earlier this year governor, Roy Cooper released the state's first climate risk assessment and resilience plan. Washington state officials destroyed the first murder Hornet nest discovered in the US. On Saturday scientists were sued to prevent painful stings and face shields to stop the Hornets. From spitting venom in their eyes as they vacuum the Hornets into large canisters Asian giant Hornets pose a severe threat to honeybees and other pollinators critical to the human food supply. I'm Mary Sherman for Public News Service member and listener supported and online public news service DOT ORG. on the bench in the biggest way. Possible hanging in the bathroom data. Bad. Attitude hanging around but it's bad on his dad's as bad bad bad bad bad. Vibes, we are live in the Asia right across the river through the woods from where granny just stole my hybrid mimosas. Sixteen point seven THC SCI. He's a dangerous be in New York City Big Apple who people justin plastic bags to drive some kind jaded. On. Lots of Putty Branson West side but those down but his dad's data members.

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