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Marc Jacobs: I Still Have Stories to Tell

The Business of Fashion Podcast

51:19 min | 10 months ago

Marc Jacobs: I Still Have Stories to Tell

"It I was horrified by what I was seeing as people's sort of lack of learning collectively. To what just happened were is happening. It's still happening is hasn't changed yet. Isn't that interesting that we could be the people that scandalise idea of being forced to create something and tell a story constantly what it has no meaning it has no soul it has no authenticity or credibility. Just seem so vacant. I have a choice every morning. I can take care of myself and be of use or I can lie in bed and contribute to the garbage. Hi this is Imran Ahmed founder and CEO of the business of fashion and. Welcome to the PODCAST. It's Mental Health Awareness Week and last week on Bureau F. Live our editor at large Tim. Blanks spoke to the celebrated American designer. Marc Jacobs who touched on a variety of topics from working through the krona virus crisis and maintaining his creativity but also on how the crisis is impacting his own mental health at this time of anxiety and stress for people around the world. Here's Mark Jacobs inside fashion. Hi Tam I'm such a pleasure to see it today. It's always a pleasure to see you. Tim and this will be out conversation for the next few seasons. I guess because we want you seeing each other in well who knows who knows where I am. I am in New York City in my hotel room in Soho Talking to you you've seen in a hotel rooms for the whole luck. Yes yes yes has that been. It's been let's let's put it this way. I'm grateful to be in a place where I'm comfortable. I'm going to start under the start on the. I'm going to start this chat on a positive note. So what have to keep going back to my mind is that I am grateful. I have my two dogs with me. I have clean made bed that I made this morning. I have what I need. I've got a closet full of clothes that I can play with. Have got a couple of makeup bags that I can play with. I have my iphone and my ipad which connect to other people with and I have the where I can sit outside and get some air so I am very grateful that I'm comfortable today and I feel like I'm taking care of and obviously you confidently connect with people. I'm finding. I'm actually connecting with people more than I usually do because quoting about connecting with now. But I have well. It's a strange thing. Isn't it connection? Because I never really I think of this as a type of connection and I we can use these devices of hours to connect with people in some superficial way or in some way that's different but I'm a luddite and I believe in live contact. I believe in note writing letter writing. I believe in seeing people across the dinner table or having a coffee with them I see. I don't see I didn't grow up with life on the screen and I didn't grow up with cell phone in my hand at or or night at or nih-funded whatever and I like live performance in live theater and I liked. I like going into shops. I like seeing people on streets so while this is some form of connection. It certainly. I don't have any kind of real connection to this form of connection. So but how how? How does this thing for you then? Well it's a kind of a kind of goes in waves and spurts. I mean they're I'm very sort of manic depressive. In a way I mean I am you know. My mental health goes from mania to depression. So there are days where I just feel extremely depressed and feel like it's the end of the world. And then your days were mannequin. I just think what a great opportunity for us all to learn collectively from this and move forward and then there's all the grays in between but I mean I tend to go from the basement to attic in five seconds. You know like In terms of emotions and so it's been very hard because I also not really in control of how you feel. You know the ceilings common. It's just a question of how I kind of accept them and and sort of you know honor them etc. So so I've had moments of feeling very productive and creative and moments feeling just like what's it all sore or is that all there is as I keep saying the south. You Camilla Louder. You have exactly. Isn't it funny? How life comes along to trip up those kind of those little notions and give them a sort of real time white. Will you see it's this? It's this computer right here. That fascinates me the most. And that's what I think is always this kind of amazing thing. I have this kind of faulty computer. Which is my brain and it's not faulty in the sense that it doesn't work but it just kind of works as it does right and so. I mean for absolutely no apparent reason. I could do everything I did yesterday. And Go to sleep on time and wake up on time and have my vitamins draped might juices for some reason the Sun could be shining and I can have the most miserable attitude about life and see things through the darkest leads and then I could stay up all night and and and not drink juices not my vitamins and like the sun isn't shining and I'm just like full of hope and you know like so who knows and then yes they're like these songs that comes my head in these things. I've seen in these performances. I know I don't know like books I've read and you know I don't. I'm not in charge of where the where where my brain sort of fires on a particular day but like it just doesn't it and it's like kind of fascinating as kind of goes through all of its little find sub dreaming a lot more. I have some very weird dreams but I've always had weird dreams that I've always been a bit of an insomniac because apparently that's a that's a huge side effect of this pandemic. Is People a happen. Incredible Dreaming Nkala at a lot about real people like either family members will celebrities or whatever but that they remember the dreams full of almost movie. And that's by to pick this. That people can depend up in the daytime and then the minds slowed us. I don't think that I'm dreaming more than I was before. And I think my dreams are kind of still of the crazy surreal content that they always work which combines a little bit of like the tape recorder you know things I've just recently heard but then then concocted into something that might have some other greater meaning but No I find my dreaming kind of the same. I guess you're making a movie while you yeah so via via recommended. I mean she. She had this idea. Unfortunately it was like four weeks in she was like. Oh you should have taped yourself every day. Like just videotaped yourself every day like you had this like you know daily journal like on tape like everything you did just like this endless documentary journal and I was like well if I had started it for weeks ago. It would have been great because we're already for weeks in if feels that will have to do something else. So so nick My friend my best friend and and someone I work with very closely you know at. Marc Jacobs He he and I came up. And we decided we'd do more of a fairy tale like this this kind of life in quarantine more of an louise or a you know like or a home alone or something like that right played all the characters who would normally be here at the hotel but or not like what kind of well everything from the porter to the manager to the chef in the restaurant to the housekeeping to the engineer to the different people who are residing in the hotel to the different things. I do in my room on different occasion to me documenting my set like just just just like I never any element of the other look creeping in. No just just just anything. I can do within the confines of this hotel. Your instagram is being incredibly vivid. The whole time that you've seen in Lucca. It seals almost like you are testing out characters in well. I'm not really I'm I'm kind of just you know I've always been this way. This is like this is nine year old mark who you always was in his bedroom. Escaping chaos of what life looked like you know like a very disturbed and dysfunctional childhood. And I went to my room and I sat with my clothes and I painted my jeans or embroidered. Jean Jacket and I put on my outfits. I comb my hair one way or the other and you know maybe I found a curler for my mother curled by whatever it was but that nine year old kid that me was like a in his own world in his bedroom and had to use his imagination to create a world. That was a happier place. And that's kind of what I'm doing I mean. I have two months worth of clothes that I packed to move in here. I'm I have a couple of bags of of makeup. That randomly for some reason felt were important to take with me and And then you know just and the dogs and Some hairclips jewelry and I'm just playing around and and keeping myself entertained and and doing what I do which I think is taking care of my mental health. I mean I have to get up everyday and shower and I have to Rome and I have to get dressed and I I just feel like not only do I have to do it for my sanity but like I enjoy doing it. So it gives me pleasure and it allows me to kind of be of service in some way. Because if I'm not well. In taking care of myself creatively and in every other way then. I'm of no use to anybody else. I mean I just can't lie an unmade bed all day long. It's the most pressing thing I've I mean. I used to see my mother who suffered from manic depression. She wouldn't get out of her bed sometimes for weeks and her bed was never made and the site of an unmade bed to be as just about the most horrifying thing. I can remember. I remember when we talked before the day. Before your wedding and you you said that you could feel at slowing down important you well. What's important to me at it is? Yeah well well I think I think I I feel oddly before all of this started you know. I feel that that last show was very telling of what I really was thinking. But that's that doesn't surprise me because all the shows are somewhat autobiographical. But I'm told the story of the New York that I remembered that I loved and that I still love but is gone and and the kind of the movement and everything in this sort of losing the fashion within this sort of thing. I mean looking back on it I think. I've enriched the story even more but but it had shades of all my heroes and and it had my fashion life is a New Yorker kind of told and I I kind of felt in. Katie reminded me this. You know after every show. I say like if this was the last show I'd ever do it was I'd be fine with it. But she said you were so emphatic about the last show and I did feel like like things have got to change. We've got to slow down. We can do this twice a year. We have you know I would like to say something creatively but I can do it twice a year. I mean the idea of being forced to create something in tell a story constantly would it has no meaning it has no soul it has no like authenticity or credibility. Just seem so vacant. And the amount of craddock that produces that goes nowhere but phil's landfills and just end this greed and this all of the stuff that goes along with it and besides how destroying the world we live in. It's just like everything just felt to me. Like what the fuck are we doing? So Charlie and I decided to buy this House and build a house on the water well rebuild or restore a house of water and it became very symbolic because for the first time in my life you know I wanted to leave the city and I wanted to get out and I wanted to slow down and I thought I wanna live my life and I want fashion to be a part of it. I don't I can't have this be my whole life. You know that that show felt so climactic to me. The show would Carolina Teijin the dance models and it was such an orgy of creativity. Felt you know if you think of if you think of the LAS looks people that that that Pasolini last movie. Oh something is nowhere else you could go to and I wonder if I wonder if you thought it was. It seems almost prophetic. Now that that would be I do I do in a way I mean. I've said this to my psychiatrist. My lovely doctor. Richardson Frank and I've said it to Katie. And I said it to everyone around me you know. I would be very happy if if that were my last show. I mean because I feel like I've said what I have to say. I said it beautifully unlike by but it isn't really true because it whether it's my last show or not that's fine but the urge to make things and create hasn't gone away so I still WanNa be active and I still WanNa make something and I still have stories to tell but maybe I need to tell them in a different way and maybe I will tell them in a different way and maybe fashion will continue to be a great part of how I tell my story but I don't I'll miss alive show and I'll miss an audience because I love theatre. I mean it's my first love. Nothing can replace the emotion and the feelings one gets from being in a room and seeing something performed. I've seen that show videotapes and I've seen edited and I've watched that videotape and it reminds me of what it was like to be there but I don't feel like what it was like to be there. It was Overwhelming it was well. But you can't get that feeling through a recording and I have never seen a live performance recorded that has blown my mind. It is true. I do think that this is going to be one of the massive for the fashion industry replacing the physicality of When some kind of technological well but it's no different is no different than talking about shops to me. The when people started saying. Why are you shopping in stores when you can get it all online? I don't understand how people can be satisfied by ordering the coat through a picture and receiving it in a box and putting it on and saying Oh. I like this. I'll keep it. I love to go to a shop. I like to see everything I like to touch it. I like to try it on. I like to have a coffee. I'd like to have a bottle of water. I like to get dressed up to go to the shop. It's a ritual inexperience. And there's there's emotion and and cinema involved with shopping but ordering online in a pair of Grubby. Sweats is not my idea of living life. You know when we talk you quoted Lara with taps. Few of you'll free ended long. Ana Rectum movies the Matrix movies and she'd said to you. This is a landscape of the world. It is changing and I feel that you know there are people like us who who still are incredibly attached to physicality for the physicality yes. I feel a rates now that and by codes online and doesn't fit secrete the physical experience of walking talking ceiling generation. After that does I do think that. Let's hope that generation is alive to to to retell the story. Because honestly Tim I just I do think like I I you know. I say this like there's such is such a hard thing to talk about because I know that I belong to a different generation. I'm leftover generation as are you and I got that from Kirsten enemy. And she kristen McMenemy and she says the leftover generation and I think it's very appropriate I do value physicality and I do value the experiences that I grew up with an I cherish them and I'm grieving them right now and I don't see that grief going away anytime soon. I have to go through this process. I think it's going to be a long process and will other people want you know once again will some will some species once again. Seal the value of this. Perhaps maybe not maybe we will just become data while you know you think about what we is your entire life span in New York. You've seen the city of the curves Utah. I I lived in New York. Nineteen seventy I just remembered in. The city was backgrounds and it was incredible. It was it was a very dot the city and then later on. That was all the other you know. There was nine eleven. That was A AIDS before that yes was hurricane. Sandy you know. The city has taken some enormous legs of here. Is this. Yeah but that we're talking about New York City but this is global right and fashion shows. Don't happen in New York. I mean already less season. It was back. I I felt that again going back to the show. It was a little bit of a farewell because already there were no shows in New York. It was difficult to get models. A lot of people didn't come to the shows. You know. Ralph didn't show this season and Tommy showed in London and fewer shows than there were so I have been saying as my team that we don't know if they'll be much of a fashion industry in New York. Will there be factories that we work with. Will they be able to stay in business? We've been saying this for years. So will will the people who have the skill still be around to make the close the way we demand they'd be made and will people still be traveling to New York because it's become less important than of a place to see fashion and I I know that New York we'll take some other shape and the landscape will change. I don't know that I like it and I don't know that I'll be around to ultimately see it but you know like everything changes for better for worse. That's the way it's but we're talking about the world and New York City is not the world. Although I grew up thinking it was all my life but I think this is happening in the world but also it's really enforcing a sense of community. It's made the world shrank is it? I think so. I think I don't know if this from all the things I keep seeing the I mean and again maybe I'm watching the news or maybe I'm just focusing on this but you know when when certain places opened up the behavior the system all looked like it was like oh we start back today and we start back the way we left off so it was very disappointing to see the collective the collective mentality was. How quickly can I return to what I was doing just before this happened? You know no masks jogging on the street in stores buying up close in stuff and prices like I mean it was disgusting. I was horrified by what I was seeing as people's Sort of lack of learning collectively. To what just happened or is happening. It's still happening. This hasn't changed yet. We're in it bring three months and I think it'd enormity of it is still beyond process. I think of course it is when it's when it becomes effective is obviously the. I didn't think we've started to see changes. We haven't started to really appreciate yet. Nominee family you know I I would say give it a year or so. The world will be a radical. Well I've already. I mean you know I mean I again. Speaking from my own experience we had to lay off. A bunch of people asked week. I mean a lot of really great talented people that I've always worked with or have worked with for many many years. And we had to ask the remaining people to reduce their salaries to half of what they were making. And some of them can't afford to live in New York under those circumstances which is which makes cents so. I'm not really sure how what will be able to do with what we've got left. I don't know how I don't know how will approach it. I don't know who will be left to approach it on you know and And I I'm not sure what will WANNA say once we come out of this anyway so so I am left with a lot of questions but on the other hand we do have a system I mean we are part of a larger system which is a big corporate structure that basically funds us in finances us that we responsible to and their thing is. How do we recuperate the business? We've lost so that we can continue to survive and do what we do and each within each each a brand of the Group. We have to hold our own and in order to do that we have to. We have to survive economically. And I feel I'm I'm very torn morally and ethically and then I think well you know I can. Only I have to continue to create something in order to have something to sell. And if I don't then how can I continue to fund? I mean it just so difficult to answer all these questions and I'm not talking about now the whole world and how they're gonNa do but I I think about my heart in this world and I think it's this is my part. Each person looks at their part collectively. We're all in the same shet but if the system isn't going to change than than than if the changes in total if it isn't across the board then don't know how much of a difference it really makes you when you think about what you do are you. Are you going back to what we did? At the very beginning of why you did what you did. At the very beginning what drew and well now. Because I'm thinking of creativity. I'm not thinking of fashion specifically. I'm talking to you about fashion. Because I'm a fashion designer and fashion is how I express myself creatively for many years but I think about the conversation of essential and I I think about this quarantine and I think where would we be in quarantine if we didn't have Ashton or if we didn't have movies or if we didn't have music and we didn't have books we'd be sitting naked in our thoughts with some bread and some water because and some oxygen. 'cause that's what we need to survive. We need bread water air. That's it right so I would not be sitting here in a sweater and pearls and a hair clip talking to you in your finery. I would be nude without any of this. I I mean so so I need creativity. We don't need it. It's not essential to live but we wouldn't want to live without it. I don't think I would want to live without it. I'll just speak for myself so I know that I need to speak to you about work. That's created about the dreams of future work to come about the new movies. There are to see about the new songs. There are to hear about the new dance craze about the new trends about the new artwork. That's going to be made about like all of that stuff without that. I just really have no desire to go on. The vast Santos quite the other day on the live at. It seemed great perfect. I pointed meech the same. We have so that she will. We have said that we shall not die of reality. Will. That's perfect. That is absolutely true so I believe will dance again and I believe we'll be creative again now how that looks and how that feels. I don't know and I don't think anybody does. Have you been looking at during this? Oh I've been looking I was It's funny because it's funny. What is that? I post things on instagram. And then what happens is art dealers or people I know in our say like oh. We saw you posted this. You might be interested in the work of Jean beaver so I looked her up. And then I saw her working I understood immediately why they thought I might be interested so I find. Instagram is a funny kind of ping-pong game. Like I find that I I can use it as a kind of tool to play this kind of match this game where you know you post something somebody responds to it. They sort of say something back and then you get turned on something else and that inspires you and then you turn then you go back with something new and and I. That's how I using instagram. Really as a form of like a kind of volley and So I've I've discovered Gina's work and I think that's great and a couple of others Whose names have not. Oh Well I discovered David Kramer because of Selene but A few a few artists that have I. I didn't know of these rights. No I don't know who that is. I'll look up soon as we get off the go online to look at freeze Neil. I didn't exactly what that was. That was the beginning of the whole notion of transferring physical experience into the digital. Well you know that you could crews there on line and you know now we're going to be seeing digital fashion shows. June probably Jamba and I just wanted to. How successful that's I may. We'll try nice cruising through freeze online but I'll tell you one thing with art. I find again like with theater if I know the work. If I've experienced the work in real life I respond to it online but if I see it online I don't have an emotional primitive connection to it. I do not look at a Rothko and cry online but I stand me in front of six. Roth goes and I'm overwhelmed or Barnett. Newman or something like that. But when I look at Barnett Newman online. I see stripes. But that's not what I see when I saw it at the tate. You know so like it's a very different physical experience to look at a canvas than to see it reduced to a thumbnail online. Isn't that funny but was that sort of the needs of commerce. You know for freeze needs to sell up so I put it well. That's we're all in that boat though anybody anybody who's selling Look if we were all making art. For Art's sake we wouldn't need host it. We just get the pleasure and the full experience would be making the art for ourselves. But it's not. It's like what was that. Was it the moon six pence that was the story of Gauguin's roughly where he was like? You make art for Art's sake and that burn the canvases. Because the only thing he needed to do was make the art. He didn't need to show it he didn't need to sell it. He didn't care about people's reaction to it. He didn't care of it he didn't care about it as a commodity. But we're not talking about people who are making art for Art's sake. They might their initial reaction to making artists. They have creative need to fulfil but then that goes to another level which is like putting it there to have. It looked at and judged appreciated or not and sold. What did you think of besides here that that you know great outcomes from catastrophe that off the world who up until the one that was Dada and surrealism after World War? Two that was abstract expressionism react. I know that you'll save. You told you a favorite painting with some Asocial Mona Lisa with a moustache. Yes and allow Oak Yes. I can't save in French so it sounds like a pundits supposed to be but You know these audits were responding to disaster and I made incredible. Well changing works of art. Yes something could you imagine something similar happened after this? I'd like to imagine something happening after this. I wonder with all of our current laziness based on the screen like what that will look like so. I do believe something will happen. I don't know if I'll be able to connect to it because I it might be created with a medium that I have no connection to so again. Maybe you know this IPAD and these like Henson's that you get from apple and whatever joy like something will emerge from this. I'm not sure I'll be able to connect with the medium in which is created out of. I don't know I don't know it's an interesting. Not you're not just sean scandalized. People and I know scandal. Isn't that interesting that we could be people that the new Isis scandalise will? I hope so. We could be that generation. I wish someone would do something that would cause such a reaction in me. What have you seen? That causes a reaction. What have you seen or heard? Well I've certainly not been scandalised by anything. I mean I find things offensive but I don't find them. I find that offensive to my sense of morals taste but that's but then I come back and I say I'm judging and I don't want to be judged it's not my job so some you know and it's very hard to also not be hypocritical and judge like you can't like so so. I'm trying to not judge other people and other people's behavior and what works for them and all that so But it's quite hard because I like I said I'm not scared. I don't find anything scandalous. Just find some things repulsive which is good. Turn not so good. Well it's different. I think what it creates in me as this kind of desire to just disappear like like if this is what it looks like. I don't want to be a part of it. You know what I mean. So I don't think it's a stimulating sort of repulsion. But what what what has given you the most sort of Sucker why you've been at the most what you know the most reassuring You know the bomb the bomb sealer. So what did you what music business into? What what Ti. You Watch okay. So I haven't really been listening to music. I haven't really been listening to music. Actually it's first of all most of my day is spent on facetime or texting resuming lately. So so it's really the sound of my voice and the dogs drinking water or barking or happy nightmares. Whatever and So I haven't really been listening to things during the day I find I find? I like the quiet of the room. I really liked the quiet and I put the TV on at night. And sometimes I watch things. That are very interesting in sometimes. I watch things that are mindless if I need mindless TV. I go to Love Island UK. And if I want something challenging or something interesting and informative or clever or than people recommendations. In Princeton's Lana recommended a documentary called. Crip camp which I thought was amazing and she recommended a film called touch me not which was incredible to watch. And I've watched you know all the usual that everybody else's watched the tiger kings and the Hollywood's in all that stuff and But I don't usually put the TV on 'til dark. And I told you about deaths already. Yeah and I'm going to check that out. On Hulu. In America Yeah debs and you find a what deb's means the very last second which is very interesting I'm curious about You told me that you love dancing. There have been days where I've danced. Naked my bathroom at the you know there was one conversation I had early on. Actually it was on the facetime with long and it was so inspired me so much and you know I say I love dancing but I do. I've found that when I've danced. I really enjoy that energy. But I'm not like Lama Lana lives to go out dancing for days. At a time I mean she loves Berg Hine and she's living in Berlin with her wife and you know she lives to dance for days and days but I found her conversation that day or our conversation so uplifting I took off my clothes and I went into the bathroom and I was dancing around. I was listening to lay Rita Mitsuko that eighties hit Ma and I just kept playing it over and over again and I was dancing around and it felt so good. The release was incredible but but I don't regularly dance. I do listen to Philip Glass But that doesn't actually get me dancing but I'd love. I'd love the release. I mean I'm looking for a release right now. You know what do you think? Do you think you'll look back on this moment? God only knows I just want to get through it. Yeah I think I haven't been able to read a book which I signed kind of me too. I'm the same. I can't focus on it that ends. I wonder why that is. I think it's people the effects of this. I mean I've I have been reading some newsletters about mental health. You know what people don't understand is how phenomenally important mental health is and the effect of this quarantine on US psychologically and emotionally and physically and everything else and even though he thinks that we know what it feels like. I think there's a lot like I've tried to be on. I've tried to do this. I've tried to be conscious and aware and you know incite like used my insights to like kind of correct my behavior but I can't always do I just sometimes just can't seem to find the motivation or the focus. Even though I know it's what I'd like to be doing what I think would be a good thing for me to do. I just think extraordinary that we're living in a moment that nobody could ever predict it. I'm willing sort of. Everybody has seven indulgent end of days scenarios. And this is. This is one that just we never imagined. I think it's been an interesting when you talk about people just sliding back into this patent behavior when confronted by the implacability of something like nature here. And it's just so huge and you think about I I go back time to this The industrial of hundred years old at H. Is How many millions of years old and so we have out little antitheses government and then suddenly the huge corrective. There's a line I heard many years ago and I think it's very appropriate. If you WANNA make God Laugh. Tell Him Your plans or let's turn into isn't that he said something like that. Yeah well I think someone said it before John but it's okay but but but what is quote you gave me that. I loved about creativity just now and have said that we shall not die of reality. That's perfect you have to send that to attacks or something. I will absolutely I you one of the things. I thought that so one of the things that always been so thrilling to me about you as a designer is your curiosity and the way that you're able to turn a fascination with a single ride across into an entire world or this sort of incredible cinema of fashion show that that very few people have been able to capitalize on his successfully. What what what you find your must curious about at the moment. I'm curious to see what life will be like like you said I think I think I'm frightened by it. But but you know fear and excitement or kind of the same thing in a way So I'm afraid of what might be like but I'm also excited about what what adapting to life might bring you know like that. That's it so it is. It's a prospective thing. Isn't it like you know on the darkest days I fear it and then on the brightest days or when I have those lenses on that are clear? I'm like I'm looking forward to seeing how I can adapt to. What is you know and So so adapting and acceptance and sort of creating again but I don't I don't have anything specific in mind other than than like will. It could be an exciting moment to to to make things again. You know because it's it's like saying about creativity coming out of catastrophe that Human beings have some fundamental needs. And some of those fundamental needs. We have One of us is is one of the beauty of the world around us. You know that you know how many people talk about good song. The I've never like always singing like that before. We just never heard. Now we do and I just. I would hope that those experiences stay with people when I'm the I'm just again. I'm I'm afraid I'm afraid that that's very beautiful vision. And and it's a lovely thought but I'm afraid that that we're too far along the road of destroy destroying ourselves making ourselves for that to be possible. I I really am. I mean I think that business is like those birds get drowned out by business all the time and we'll be again. I guess I'm afraid I'm afraid of that. But but then but then again if something is learned if something shifts if something changes than that may be. I don't know it's it's so it's too early in this process to know. I say this is the end of the beginning. I mean we're we're when we're even not even halfway down this road we have love. I don't even close to halfway. I think this is just like and the fact that people could even think like. Oh thank God. Two months this is hundreds of years in the making two months is not going to turn the lights back on. Guys it's like it's so illogical the thought process of like right so we've had to be locked up for two months. Let's just turn the lights back on. Go back to the way we were. It's like it's more onic. I did ironic. Now it's more on it. I don't know we have leaders that are running businesses not countries and that we have we. We have leaders who are cynics and analysts lips and lions as well which is no but so there is an answer revolution. I'm glad that this way ahead of me on this one because I've been saying that for the while well dives with. That was what we talked about him. You and I did talk about this over the summer in the end of years and years. The mother says that fantastic speech. She makes that dinner table. Which says you're all to blame. What are you going to do about it? And they caused this revolution. They fight back. And it's like I think you need an upheaval or revolution of such enormity. To Change Anything. There would need to be a full on revolution in order for this to change now. I don't know that I've got the energy to lead that revolution nor the desire but I certainly would sign up for it. You know the fact is that revolutions come a lot of the times out the spring from necessity and the needs of billions are going to be pretty extreme over the next to the while at amyloid honestly dynasty hat or it won't be some I mean. Obviously what I think would be civil unrest at some points. I don't see how they want and -solutely then we have a privilege recondition existing. Listen to us but you know again. We're as I I. I am listening to us and I'm speaking to you and I'm speaking to you from my very comfortable. Hotel Room dressed nicely. After shower and again I keep thinking about the conversations about privilege and when I think about civil unrest in people who are going to be without. I think I speak. I don't I don't WanNa be that person either. I don't WanNa be that guy who talks about what will be in this place of privilege. I don't know I didn't know how to be another person than what than who I am but I'm sitting in a comfortable hotel room and I'm saying I'd like to make a difference and I'd like to make a change and I'd like to be a part of this revolution but I'm quite easy to say in this in this situation and I and and there's so much going on that is ages and racist and sexist and everything else and all the other shit that's going on and then throwing Miss Rona and you're with fucked just what you feel your role. Your responsibility is ridiculous. And I feel that what I can do is like you said I can only do. I can take care of myself and by taking care of myself I can then be of service to someone else and whatever way that means I is it varies. I know that if I'm good to myself I take care of my health. I take care of my mental health than I can contribute to the benevolence of this world. Right I have a choice every morning. I can take care of myself and be of use or I could lie in bed and and contribute to the garbage. You know what I mean. So if each person collectively could do one small thing by taking care of their self in some small way than they could maybe contribute to the good of this world maybe they could hear the birds and maybe they could smile at somebody else. It could be kind to someone else. Maybe could be generous to somebody else. You know. Then I mean we'd be in a huge lead better place than we are right now. You know that there is. There is a lot of that going on right now. There's I was reading a big big a huge article Lindy And again yesterday about aid and about basically grassroots support things you know helping people everywhere around the world and you get a sense of how change can come you know. It's it's quite inspiring ignoring the lack of leadership from those listed cynical lying amended that we talked about the people doing things for themselves helping people helping helping the people in this street people in the next house lawyer if people can if enough people hang on feeling that they get from that and this this. This is a huge. This is a huge crisis that confronts everybody if enough people hang onto that feeling of the positivity that that outreach that they manage to commit to this was going on you know that is a revolution of a kind. Yes it's true but it has to be collective you see. The problem is when it when you're outnumbered it. It still works. There's no reason. Listen whether I'm in the majority or the minority I'm GonNa continue to take care of myself and do nice things for other people. That is what I am going to do. I'm committed to that now whether people see what I'm doing is being very kind of kindness. Their form of charity or their form of That's another story so people will judge how I behave no matter what but whether I'm in the minority the majority it doesn't matter. I know I'm good with myself right now because I know that I'm a good person. A kind person and a generous person and a creative person and I will continue to give as long as I'm healthy enough to be able to and and that's that's that's what all do and I think if it is collected and if it's on such a scale it's like I think of that Diet Over that Coca Cola commercial. I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony. It's so corny. But it's so perfect like if everybody just raised voices in if everybody opened their with and if everybody did like it would just be. The sound of. That would just be so amazing. But if you've got half the world or more than half the world's sitting saying like Oh let those queers saying it's not gonNa work but one the the the the way Ford you've got you've done throughout your careers. Collaboration competition and we need we need to collaborate. And this is what's coming out of this. I think is that people realize there is strength. Collaboration that at isolation is at `isolation disenfranchising collaborations. No Man is an island. Each man's death diminishes me. Right is something to that effect. Never send to know for whom the bell tolls to President. Now you said something that so I guess bothered me when we talked last time you said documentation of what you do is not important to you and I sense even now. Even though you're not thanking God i WanNa keep blue for whom people will be inspired and the future of people who will will understand why you did what you did and why it was important. I don't know I think I think I probably was feeling very negative day. Were maybe I was feeling like what's new? What for sorry nervous about your speech at the wedding. Yes I will as I was but I kind of feel like maybe again. Being present isn't about receiving information you know like and so maybe it is an important to document things like maybe being present and just experiencing things rather than experiencing things experiencing things with the weight of what information we've received. Maybe that trouble like maybe getting older. In the more information you receive the more you learn actually prevents you from maintaining this night eva to say that that is like intra a child has has less experience in his therefore able to sort of be present and respond naturally things and with the weight of information and Experience. They become like burdens. And so maybe you know again this idea of being present. You need to be uninformed. I don't know I don't know I have no idea I've no it's A. That's the ignorance is bliss argument. Well yeah it is. The ignorance is bliss argument. Yes absolutely and I think of children responding to a good story. A and how children learn three stories. And how you've true that's true. Of course it's true. What would be your ideal scenario now? Oh God I don. I haven't really thought about what would be ideal. I mean I'm trying really to live in the moment and I'm not really thinking much about the future or I'm trying not to think about the future because in this moment I have faith that everything will be some version of okay you know. And that's that's GonNa keep me from staying in bed. You know what I mean. I'm going to get up as long as I have face and if I have gratitude and if I have faith have to be present because outside of the present that's where fear gets and so I'm just I'm I'm really trying not to go there to live in your house by the sea. I hope so I hope so. The perfect the perfect source and Ali in a way. I hope so I mean that's that is that is I think again. That's if I could write my story that's how I'd like to end is in that house a year amounting yes but if I could write my story I mean Including the end. I'd like the end to be the last page of that book. You know as seen in the movie where I finished writing and the book closes and I'm sitting there and it's silhouette of my back looking out water looking at Greenwich Connecticut from this Beautiful Frank. Lloyd Wright House in the Book Closes and the movie ends and the Glass Soundtrack plays and camera pans out the most beautiful sunset. You've ever stay. Yeah I'd want to be as Cliche as humanly possible. Yes thank you very much mark. It's wonderful cameras always a pleasure to talk to. You seem very Hertzel. If you've enjoyed this episode don't forget to subscribe give a rating and you might be interested in joining the business of fashion global membership community. 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94. Harsh Realm

The Allusionist

28:39 min | 2 years ago

94. Harsh Realm

"Uh-huh. This is the earliest in which I Helen Zoltan, dress mismatch layers of language to look artfully. Shoveled. Coming up in today's show. We have talked about invented languages before on the looseness, but not like this one. If you're a nineties into grunge music or the fan of pranks this story is for you. There are a few swear in this episode. So it'd be ready to out them to swear scrapbook. On with the show. I was the lucky recipient of a telephone call from the New York Times in the early nineties when they were writing a huge piece on Seattle and they wanted to focus on the grunge lexicon. They wanted terms and phrases and words that we all used in the music scene that you would words that you would infringe that you would only know if you are part of the Seattle music scene. On the fifteenth of November nineteen Ninety-two the new times printed an article entitled grunge a success story about how grunge it. Become the latest big thing from subculture to mass culture as they ought to put it in the preceding couple of years, the Seattle music scene had been co opted by the mainstream. And by this point record labels were putting stickers on. Alban covers saying Seattle. Just a couple of weeks before the New York Times article Mark Jacobs caused a stir in the fashion industry when he showed his grunge collection for Perry Ellis after which he both won an award and was fired vogue printed, a grunge and glory fashion spread and Kirk Abane was photographed wearing a t-shirt printed with grunge is dead. In case you were wondering whether everyone was pleased with all these developments and chasing zeitgeist before it dipped below the horizon. There was the new times when did grunge become grunge the first paragraph went how did. Five letter word, meaning dirt filth trash become synonymous with a musical genre. A fashion statement a pop phenomenon immediately you notice an era grunge is a six letter word not a five letter word. But once just your warm para don't pay too early read on and there's a sidebar entitled lexicon of grunge and there followed a list of grunge slang. Terms bloated big bag of blow tation that meant drunk bounden hiked that was staying home on Friday or Saturday night. Harsh realm. A bummer Platz platform shoes school meant great, no familiar with any of these terms. No was anybody. What they didn't realize is that no such language really existed. And so I decided to have a little bit of fun with it. This is Meghan. Jessica she's now the CEO of sub pop the Seattle based record label. And the coin a- of all of the words listed in the New York Times grunts Lexington. Her little bit of fun has gone down in history as the grunge hoax. But in nineteen Ninety-two Meghan had been sups pops receptionist since grunge go big the label had been inundated with requests from the press. Tell the story of the Seattle music scene. Again, give us on it. Go about bun members again. So nobody was particularly surprised or excited when a New York Times journalist phoned. He originally called sub pop and ask to speak to Jonathan Pondimin who is one of Pop's co-founders and still operates the label, and Jonathan I don't know if you just was busy or he was tired or or what? But he didn't take the phone call, and he told them that they should speak to me instead. And then Jonathan called me and said, I think you're going to have more fun with this than me Jones, moose light get ready to bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. And I said what are they wanna talk about? And he said, you know, they just want to know like a bunch of information about Seattle and the music scene, and blah, blah, blah. And I think Jonathan had just had it with, you know, speaking about Seattle and explaining everything, and he knew that I like to I love a prank, and he enjoyed pranks. And I think he just knew that I would. Have he knew that? I would fuck with someone. And so I had left some pop, and I was working for Carolina at that time. And I I wasn't even sure they would call. But sure enough after Jonathan hung up my phone rang. And it was the New York Times. Did you want to get into believe anything else? So did you just stick to the Cup lary? No, it was just a vocabulary. That's all he cared about the writer. Why do you think they thought there was such a language at that time? Seattle was sort of a forgotten city in the United States in that. It's sat in a corner that wasn't really talked about an example would be touring bands. When they would play west coast tours. They would often just play LA or San Francisco, and then move along to, you know, another part of the country. It wasn't until they're. What really was a huge spotlight on the city that more opportunities came and that people really started looking at the owl as a city. So for a long time. This was a place where people thought Bigfoot lived, and and they thought we were maybe slow on knowing what was happening in the news. It was it was really weird. It was also a time that where there was no internet. I'm not saying the internet, fixes, everything or that. It's makes us all knowing or that that people shouldn't have even just assumed that Seattle was a normal city because it really was just was a little sleepy. But there wasn't a whole lot known about Seattle in some other parts of the country. So maybe maybe that was enough to make someone think that. I don't know weird shit existed. I suppose if people thought Bigfoot existed, maybe the lexicon of grunge was not so far fetched. And so it was mega was on the phone with the New York Times offering woods that was supposedly in the grunts Lexikon high used some that were believable because I didn't want him to doubt me at first. So I called boots kickers because that's like that was I'm sure pe- I think people called boots kickers say kicks now. So she's yeah. I mean somewhere in the world, and I said that torn up jeans were wack slacks and that the fuzzy sweaters that Kurt Cobain used to wear were called. I can't remember fuzz. She said the sweat is cold fuzz. I said that the tom-tom clump, which I loved that band. I said that those were outsiders people not from Seattle, did they mind. I said that's winging on the flippity flop men like hanging out. Okie Dokie artichoke eighty right on. Who talks like that okeydokey artichoke? It's time consuming. Did anyone stall using the woods as a joke? Yes. People use them as a joke, and then it sort of spread from there. So the were words like lame stain which I think was a loser. Cobbler I feel like those started making their way out into the world and funny little ways when the new times piece came out how did people that you knew react to it. The city of Seattle celebrated it in a way that blew my mind. I mean, I had so many people coming up to me all the time telling me how much they loved it or they would take I saw people with the article, and they would just put a safety pin on it. They were wearing it. Like, it was it was a pen and people made t shirts. I mean, it was just it made people laugh so here, it was celebrated, and I think a lot of folks in the world of. Journalism found humor in it. In March nineteen Ninety-three the buffalo magazine printed an article pointing out the New York Times had fallen for a joke when the baffler printed that the lexicon was a joke. I think it made a lot of writers and editors talk about how the New York Times could ever have been pranked. How does this happen with a people like the New York Times and the answer is I don't know. Maybe it was the geographical distance making. It seem like anything was possible was too far away to check maybe the journalists of musical genres like jazz had a lot of slang. So Gordon's must have a lot of slang. Maybe it was not sing that sup coaches a wig and incomprehensible to anyone not in them. But you don't want to embarrass yourself by letting on. So don't question and thing. Yeah. I guess he. Okay. Here's what baffling. I mean. There are so many things but for any of the. Band that were huge at the time out of Seattle. So Soundgarden vonda mud, Honey, you know, Alison chains Pearl Jam. You could read interviews that any of them have done and just about any publication back then and you'd see that they spoke like normal human beings. Although no, quite always, thanks to a similar prank Meghan played a few months before the new times Coulter she had previously dropped some fake gums tombs to the British magazine sky. I don't have a copy of it. But I remember kind of fucking with them and sharing like all of these fake things and mud Honey read that article when they were overseas when they were in the UK touring and as a joke, they actually started using some of those terms, but they did it in a way that was so over the top, and they were probably hammered. When they were doing. And so maybe that maybe that's something. Maybe the New York Times sauve that and thought it was real. I have no idea until it was very surprising that the New York Times of old things was not using checkers and was shocking. That was shocking when we spoke on the phone he sounded like a very nice person. But he never questioned anything. He was so busy transcribing like listening and transcribing like back, then you it wasn't as easy to just record phone calls. Maybe he just had to use his mind in a way where he wasn't really even hearing. What was being said he was probably just so busy at making sure that he transcribed it properly. But I don't know. I mean, still you have to look at it afterwards and go what the fuck that. I just right. I think. Even with the internet not having existed at that time. The fact that fact checkers. Didn't make a phone call to see if any of those words were real or not is somewhat. Bizarre. Can you? Imagine fact checking swinging on the flippity flop. I mean, you you would you probably look at it and say, let's not fact check that there's no way that's real. Then I think a lot of people were appalled that something. That was a joke could actually be printed in one of the most prestigious newspapers we have. It's really funny jokes. I know I thought it was pretty good too. Even my mom appreciated the image. She praised me for being a good liar. Buck in ninety nights to what kind of stuff had been happening to make you a new colleagues this level of irritated with journalists writing about this. When I first moved to Seattle felt like a little music utopia because it really amazed me that you could go to almost any show, and you'd see a lot of the same people at those shows and a lot of the folks were people in bands, they were supporting each other all the time showing up all the time having so much fun. They weren't standing and watching the music with their arms crossed. And looking like they were studying everything on stage. They were loose. They were having fun. They were drinking beer, they I mean, they looked so happy and and as their became a brighter spotlight on the city. We had an our people. Coming in signing bands, immediately that created funny dynamics between bands because why does one band get signed? And then other doesn't and the whole vibe changed. Everything is seen as an opportunity, but very few people really if that's exactly right. And and you know, before it was seen as an opportunity was it really was this environment or place that just brought people together. And you know, there was something. So kind of pure and perfect and awesome about it. Even though it it wasn't pure and perfect. Awesome. But it was really beautiful. Unlike the wood grungy nineteen fifties slung for dusty possibly a portmanteau of grobian dingy. It'd been used to refer to music before in nineteen seventies Mechlin reviews nineteen fifties Rocabella sleeve nights. But the woods. First known appearance in reference to Seattle based music was in nineteen Ninety-one when future Mahtani vocalist, Mark on wrote a letter to a fanzine describing his own nascent bound, Mr. EPP and the calculations as pill grunge till noise. Pure shit. He says he picked up the word grunge from the Australian music scene. But that's not exactly how the word Khotan to describe a music Schommer slash bounce from Seattle stash band's sound bit light bands from Seattle slash bonds. Look like bounce from Seattle. Marilyn Manson claims to have invented the word grunge in his review of Nevada's nineteen thousand nine debut album bleach. He didn't it actually came from soap in the nineteen eighty seven catalogue of new releases an EP by the bond. Green river, coincidentally fronted by the aforementioned Baucom was described as ultra loose grens that. The morals of a generation so pup founder Jonathan Poneman later said it could have been slugged grime crud. Word like that. But it wasn't. It was grunge people started using it. What was the feeling about that? When the actually on the feeling was growth, everyone was growth out. It felt like that was a moment when it was being marketed, and when people started using the word grunge regularly, it made people feel like the city this place this experience the scene. This culture was all of a sudden being marketed, and it that made it feel cheap. And it didn't feel fitting it felt like a joke. And so people would laugh. About it. But when the word really started getting used people felt disgusted by it. Because it because it was used lightly as descriptive. It was just an adjective never was that meant to be a music genre. And when bans started being described as grunge. It was hard to even know what that meant because that would be Alison chains. Mark Lanigan was grunge at the time. And I mean, I remember people describing that ban credos grunge. You know, the these bands that sounded nothing like one another I suppose, it's whatever you want it to be I guess. That's the problem with recently might up woods is that people. Don't know what they mean. Yes. They can mean anything that you wish that it been a different word or just that had been nowhere to tool now. I feel like as grosses it seemed to me at the time looking back. You know, so many years later. It's hard to wish it was anything else with some time and perspective. I think it's pretty wonderful that Seattle became so known as being a music city is crazy as that time was and as weird as it felt, and although it changed the city quickly in some ways that weren't the those changes weren't seen as wonderful it. It also did change the city and some really wonderful ways. And it provided opportunities to some people who may have never had those opportunities otherwise, and it created a living for some folks who were struggling to make a living. It allowed for us to grow and become stronger. And a lot of important ways. We have an actual music commission as part of our city, a group of people who work with the mayor's office that that we have. An office of film and music in the mayor's office is incredible. So, you know, I kind of think whatever you wanna call it or whatever anybody wants to call it who fucking cares. It did some damage, and it did some wonderful things as well. And and so I think you have to just take the term that was given and call it good. And even try to see some pride in it, or at least just be able to to laugh and see the humor in it. Meghan. Jasper is the CEO of suppo-. Visit sub pop dot com to find all the labels autism. The tour dates Meghan recommends the full coming out of them Titanic rising, by wise blood an office. Megan lows almost as much as she loves pranks. Both more of those keep listening for today's mini Lucien est. This episode is sponsored by bobble the number one selling language-learning up in the world, if you'll thinking one thing I really want to achieve in my twenty nineteen campaign of self improvement is to learn to speak a foreign language. Bobbled is an excellent way to start or to brush up one of the languages from your self improvement companies of previous is bubbles courses are available in fourteen different languages, and the lessons of fun interactive and quick they fit neatly into a timetable and that design to get you speaking, your new language confidently within just a few weeks. You can try bubble for free. Go to bubble dot com or download the app that's bobble be a double B E. L? Don't come all the bubble up and try it for free bobble speak a new language with confidence. Megan Jasper clearly has form in playing pranks, but other than grunge hoaxes while other pranksters she pulled I am not above decorating someone's front porch with holiday items that are not anywhere near that time of the year. My prank right now. But I I'm in the middle of is with my husband. He doesn't realize that there's a an app that's the remote for our TV. And every time he's watching TV at home. And I'm not there. I always which the TV to a different channel that goes to like kids channel or to a really conservative state. And he hasn't said anything to me yet. But I've been doing it now for a week and a half. What if he thinks he's a loosening? I know I kind of was hoping that he either thought the TV was broken or the houses on did. But I think come up yet. And I give it another week before he says something. Good luck. Thank you. This is kinda shit that makes me feel happy in a day. There's always something we friend turned up a place with the same shoes as my husband is fee to like three sizes smaller. It's my husband was remind we switched one of the shoes and him for minutes. Trying to put it on. Oh my God. That's amazing. That's so good. I think these things don't have to be grand. They just have to be fun. Right. Not true exactly in the holiday decorations phone, and it's quite helpful. Why not decorate for Halloween now and beat the rush? Oh my God. I know and the beauty of doing that is if you can park down the street, or you know, hide and just watch you see people stop and just enjoy it and stare and then continue walking, and that is the best like watching people respond to it is there's nothing better. So you'll rules for good prank on a note to crew and make sure that you've got a good view of it. Yes. You have. To be able to enjoy it. And I think Dealey the pranking has to be able to enjoy it in some way as well. I grow up the youngest member of a household and therefore the most prank vulnerable member of the household, but I did grow to appreciate the ingenuity and timing of some of the japes. Also, I learned never trust anyone ever again on Facebook and Twitter slash Elyse show. I asked you you'll best pranked was here are just a few put a load more up the allusion dot org slash drum jokes. Okay. His one from Thome when my sister, and I were in high school, it was still dunk when we got up for school each day. I woke her up at three AM saying we were going to miss the bus. She run to the kitchen to eat breakfast. And then realize the time she has never spoken about it. It was forty years ago siblings to refill. This one's from in Chile of everything is alive. Regular in sibling. He says I convinced my mother that they had added snow angel. Making the Olympics. And she has never forgiven me. This one's from Poole bay of the black tapes of biglou pocus, my friend accidentally injured my back at the gym next. Fools offer. It to tail faked the injury again made him literally carry me around Montreal to do my errands back injury for a back injury list says when I was in high school, I found a run nondescript key in a drawl waited into the friend left his keys on tended, then put on his key ring. It took him a week to discover it it drove his whole family nuts. Trying to figure out what it was. I never told him the start of the magic realist story. Lynn who makes props in specializes in extremely realistic. Miniatures says I once made a tiny exotic frog photograph to in the garden and sent it to my boyfriend while he was a work, and they were all saying I needed to call the RSP. I was unlawfully my house off his another recently. I hit thirty pictures of Hillary Clinton pointing around a seminar room, and then told the people whose room it was that I had thirty two pictures. My friend wants invited me round Diaz to bring in thing. And she requested some FIS Turkish delight. So I gave a one ball, but also hit five more around the house for her to find later. She was very pleased. She didn't find the fifth until several months later. I didn't in the file with a tax return documents slogan. Didn't says we get a lot of snow where I grew up in highschool wing case two guys call in a perfect cube of snow using all of the trucks. We have our disposal in our rural town he comes out offs digs out, his car and goes home the next day. He left his keys in the call. We moved his call to the other side of the school and placed a perfect Cubo of snow wear to being poked, his reaction to about forty percent of the way through was amazing knowing that must be you have to appreciate the amount of effort. You put in. Somehow cold, you would have be. And one final prank. Someone I know put a solved rubik's cube the feet of a friend's eight month old baby and silently left the room. Quietly dulcet lay. Is one of the shows that makes radio Tokyo from PR ex a collective of the finest poke costs on the interweaves if you like a bit of thinking with your audio -ment bit of audio time with your thinking had to radio dot FM to find all of the shows. You randomly selected word from the dictionary today is. Treatise known specific lettuce juice us, for example. I was a sedative I up to look up in specific, it means thickened or congealed. So there you go a choice of what's to use in an Email today. 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In VOGUE: The 1990s  |  Episode 2: Grunge Strikes Back

Vogue Podcast

28:11 min | 4 months ago

In VOGUE: The 1990s | Episode 2: Grunge Strikes Back

"The one thousand nine, hundred, eighty s Perry was a respected young American label when fledgling designer Marc Jacobs was hired. So here I was the head of women's designer Perry Ellis Twenty five years old at that point had become Perry Ellis was this very kind of wear to work. Sort of smart like career close they were close that mature. Could wear to work etc et CETERA. So I remember my first season I wanted to bring back the sort of spirit of Perry Ellis not what it had become where it started. When Perry started his company I mean there were raw skirts and heavy mcnutt tweeds. I. Mean it was very whimsical very young. It was much more demonstrative and much more about like strong silhouette and it was action. and. So when I joined Perry Ellis, I wanted to bring you know this kind of useful attitude about same sensibility. So, I looked to like kind if woodstock and I looked at these I looked Jasper Johns and his interpretation of the American flag and bucket hats induction Satin and Anna Winter. Bob. Wigs. Sent clever collections down the. Runway that moved and pivoted with the seasons. Pulse Stripe sweaters reinterpreting sequence warm with perky shore Zazi reaganesque pseudo cardigan jackets made from chimps, florals, Pastel colored blocks. In. Kennedy style floor-length evening dresses on just see through plastic. Cat. In the hat top hats and swaggering seventies I'm royalva frock coats and flared pants with boobs. But the powers that be Perry Ellis we're like thinking like, oh no, this is too much of a departure from where we were and I thought like, okay. Well, I can give them uptown. I can go from your downtown sort of rebellious kids to having lunch at Mortimer's with an slater like no problem. And then what happened was Just not me it's like that was a fun little pose. But what I was really feeling was the rock and roll circus and I had to get back to sort of doing something that I believed in and what I believed. Perry Ellis would have been doing if you were a young person. So I, kind of returned to the club scene and my friends who were young and making music and art. And left the Ladies Park. Avenue behind. Welcome to invoke the nine thousand, nine, hundred, ninety s about cost about a pivotal time that Australian, a new era in fashion and in culture. Join us as we examined the defining moments of the decade that shape fashion. As we know it today, we'll hear from Bashan leaders, cultural icons and vogues own editorial team I'm on a winter and I'm your host Hamish phone. It was the fall of nineteen ninety two and I was in the audience of Jacob's nine, hundred, thousand, nine, hundred, three, spring summer collection prepare. It was the classic show set up. The room is full of you know retailers who are looking for the little ladies, your lunch dresses, and the fashion stars of American and international press everyone is looking fairly groomed because that's how you note when you went to a fashion show and it's usually what you were looking at on the runway and then. First Gulf comes out and she looks a little bit bedraggled like she's just tumbled out of bed. There was like a dirty rugby glamour to the whole thing and lipstick, but not well applied whom these girls who used to sing Kate and Chris McMenemy and Mary, kind of made up and groomed Naomi Campbell. These. Same girls and they've been stripped to their makeup and there's no L. Net has spray and that's such the antithesis to everything that came before it. Very beautiful in a scrubbed down on DON UNMADE bed kind of way slips that repeated little shrunken cardigans. lorettes sort of loosely thrown into their hair and doc martens milk like you kind of rated a thrift store and maybe boyfriends closet and you put it all together in this kind of haphazard it way you know it was one of those Berry Berry powerful fashion shows. and. You know by the end of the show just crescendo it's just one go after another and just. Lent. Completely appalled I couldn't believe what was coming down the runway. What you're getting is pure courtney love grunge and it's just relentlessly coming at you and to Berry Berry thoughtful fashion critic Suzy Menkes of the International Herald Tribune Catty Horn of the Washington Post both wrote this rating reviews. This is Kathy Horn. All right. Let's see if I can do this call it Boho grunge or Deja Vu all over again but the new. Look for spring is chaotic contrived and so encumbered with cultural significance that even the most astute follower of fashion will find yourself wondering if she's supposed to look like Courtney love rarely has slovenliness look. So self conscious or commanded. So higher price these steamed fashion critic Suzy menkes also wrote an abyss rating review and went step further. Suzy even went to the extent. I think she had these badges made said grudges gasoline mistreated the I know that Vogue added his were completely divided this. What great. Fashion does it's great fashion designers. Do you know they hold a mirror up times and sometimes? Too, crazy fairground mirror and he's don't recognize yourself in it but it's very interesting perspective. You know the horrors turning to actually this is something very relevant and cool. How does done? On Anna. Anna. This is Nicole Phelps director of bogue runway who's a college student in the early nineties. The GRUNGY, crunchy riffs of smells like Teen Spirit even now I hear it thirty years later it it like gets me in like in my gut in my solar plexus, I get like sensations or tingles really did sound like something new and something different grunge was a movement that originated among young people. They weren't part of the elite ruling class they weren't necessarily. Prep school kids it was you know public school kids. These are the kids parents who were baby boomers and kind of got the best of the nineteen eighties. Committee Jenkins was a noted fashion historian. These kids who are interested in grunge were their children many of them and they're just thinking this is very underwhelming. This is not at all what I aspire to. Wake up people. This is kind of the sentiment behind grunge and we hear that in the music, the lyrics. Just disgruntled little really with society you have the band Nevada because really the most popular for conveying. As NAVONNA exploded onto the music scene, the message of grunge with Clare. Come as you are. And so they did. The fashion trend launched by the hard driving guitar music known as the Seattle Sound. The grunge look is an urban lumberjack. Anything goes ensemble of duck boots, tattered shirts and long underwear. Yeah. You know it was funny. So working at the front desk at sub pop, a lot of times people would call and they would say to me God you have the best job in the world or they'd ask what it was like working at the heart of everything that was happening Megan Jasper current CEO of some records Nirvana's first record label was the sub pop receptionist in the early nineties. I knew I was around a really creative bunch of people the musicians, my co workers. They were such incredible resources. They were so interesting to be around to talk to and I knew in that sense that I was someplace. Really really special. The musicians that started this movement or more this look that was picked up they living hand to mouth lead Borelli. person. Folk Archive editor. And it was Seattle. It was cold. Needed a layered look you needed to be warm and he didn't have a lot of money. So where did you shop you shopped? The second. which you know a fancier name for is vintage. Tim Jenkins Fashion Historian there's this appeal to kind of countering how we typically shop engaging in capitalism and consumerism going all these department stores or big names shops and and instead going to secondhand stores, which is better for the environment and it's cheap and it's just easier. Seattle's goodwill's door was far ahead of the fashion curve when it came to grungy clothing now it's the place to go for acceptable grungy gene grunge felt so different it was way more effortless and kind of like truly gritty. I do actually remember kind of just picking close up off the floor of my bedroom and putting them on it really did feel like It didn't matter so much what you were. It was more about whether it just was working for you in what you needed to do i. think that there was a more practical approach to how how people dressed in locked. By Nine, hundred, ninety, three national attention had focused on the Pacific northwest the laid back Seattle bide became a source of international fascination and signature style soon, known as the Grunge grunge-look brought mass appeal to the shabby vintage unpolished aesthetic with Kurt cobain and his partner Courtney love has its post children. Dad. Visual I get when I think of grunge is Courtney love with her peroxide hair with like a month's worth of routes on brushed bed hetty hair, a silk slip in nude or blushed pink with a Black Bra underneath it. That was another thing that was a really big deal. The idea of exposed Bra straps in the early nineties, it was a new. Thing, you might have torn fish nets or you might have bare legs and you'd have scuffed up combat boots and the guy would be wearing an unbuttoned flannel that had been through the wash a hundred times a t shirt that had lost its shape and a pair of a loose fitting jeans or in Kurt Cobain's case, you know granny dresses like une showered. I'm showered but still sexy. Remember mark arm from Matt honey be once like where t shirts anymore. And then I thought okay, I'm GONNA wear a t shirt. So I wore like a extra large t shirt with a choker and boots and. That was this is Kim. Gordon one of the founders of Indie Rock Band Sonic youth started in New York. We played in Seattle a lot and we played with Ben's like mud honey a lot on were and I remember Bruce we're friends with Bruce from sub pop and I remember the first time Nevada played in New York and Bruce was like you're GonNa love this ban I mean people and in Seattle while he walks out in the audience, they just like Jesus. You know graduate I mean just wearing t shirts and jeans is also faster. You can't escape it. Of course, seattle bands hated the word and but I, think in the fashion world, what it meant was kind of more just in. Fashion Statement on this desire to rebel now permeated the fashion world. It really wasn't about design clothes. It was not about money. It was about what you could make it was. It was a consciousness Camilla Nickerson. Is a contributing editor. Where America was making the music of that moment and to spread the word and England. was creating a visual and you had these young photographers. In England who were photographing? That girlfriends or? Damn Street who wasn't a supermodel dressing them enclosed found in thrift stores photographing them in that bed sits creating the visuals that sort of summon that spirit. And so suddenly you had the skull Kate Moss, she disrupted what was typical of the supermodel. She didn't have quote unquote the right height didn't have quote unquote the right proportions. But Kate had also this kind of sense of otherworldliness slightly more delicate, slightly more real, slightly less puffy slightly more awkward. The fashion world was taken with this new refreshing and fragile luke that she personified. And she was kind of the embodiment of how you can understand grunge with Beauty Tony Goodman bogue sustainability editor. She could do grunge perfectly she could do couture perfectly. So her reign in this transition. was apparent. She could do it. She could just do it. Despite her height and weight fish bigger who perhaps because of them cates rises to supermodel signaled a new trend in fashion one authenticity vulnerability and almost haunting realism. Shift that aligned perfectly with the new alternative perspective. Allure do I really need to wear sunscreen? A WANNA make my pores smaller. I'm Michelle, the editor in chief of allure, and I'm Jenny by executive beauty director here at a lower, always been questions about how to choose the right experience or conditioner or serum. So we started a podcast about it the science of beauty. We'll be learning all about what to do and what not to do to stay looking your best tune into the science of beauty on Apple podcasts, spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. It's ironic when you think about it. Because you will turn of songs antithetical the tenets of fashion sloppy. Just generally apathetic. sparked a debate within the fashion industry could a rejection of fashion become high fashion? That brings us back here to one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, two when Jacob showed his grunge collection prepare yells remember where I was sitting actually. Kathy. Horn again a fashion critic with the Washington Post at the time and currently fashion critic at large for the cart. And most everybody was shocked by what they saw. Plenty of US knew about grunge. But to see the the models Naomi in Christie coming out in closed, it really looked like through shop in those grungy colors and the plaids and the kind of general sloppiness of it because it was not something we had seen from mark. Really at parallels at that point. You know we had one fabulous legendary editor who I do remember just said Oh you're horrified absolutely horrified. Some of the coolest younger set that was so amazing. Of course, she did one hundred eighty pivots that wasn't that wasn't the next thing. You know that dichotomy of reactions was who was perfectly exemplified by the fact that. was fine from Peres. Got Designer the Arab would. There were parts of the establishment who never embraced it the colts again, but certainly the fashioned establishment saw it for what it was this very cool. New Sound coming out of Seattle and this you know the deconstruction of the look and the rejection of propriety and it looked cool and new and fashion sort of latched on re really quickly on a sweet. Then an emerging designer who was just breaking into the fashion industry notice this change in the highest echelons of the fashion community I remember going to a party and suddenly. All the models weren't wearing head to toe designer. They were wearing a pair of jeans and maybe vintage top Swedes designs might to previously being considered fringe but grunge broken you acceptance to moral turnip designs like hers. There was a whole different thing going on and I thought you know maybe this, this is the time for me. While in Paris with her friend, the legendary fashion photographer Steven Meisel. Anna remember stopping at the Ritz to pick up Madonna and when she came out, she had her coat on and we we were late. So he rushed into the car rushed into the venue sat down and she took off her cup and she said, Anna I have surprise for you and she was wearing my dress and this was the baby doll dress that kind of brought attention to my collection. On a soon became known for more feminine take on the Grunge Aesthetic and in particular for this baby doll dress remained one of the most iconic pieces. Inspired by cut cobain's choice to sometimes wear a dress and design baby doll dresses for women and men to be worn with work boots justice courtesy styled heads putting his gender bending look on the runway, and she elevated the of secondhand clothes to spending weekends coming through flea markets, supermodel Naomi Campbell, and turning their discoveries into runway fashion. We bought bouts from the army. Surplus store but then we embellish them with flowers. We did some crochet hats where it wasn't. So slip it wasn't so manufacture. It was more artistic optima of appearing on the runway and being photographed on models around town. The grunge-look overcame whatever misgivings the high fashion world might have had race Cardington, legendary guitar style the now I can't grunt shoot per by Steven Meisel. So I had suggested to do this shoot with all these vintage things, and then you know take them out into the countryside and put big boots on women and trust them down on table all that makeup off and things. I was speaking the same languages. As. My mysel- but he was speaking it from the point of view. Of grunge because he's very tapped into every new. Thing. The models Naomi Campbell. Christopher nominee, and Najah almond to name a few. Were wearing kind of colors close steven meisel pasted. Oh, you should go and take some things from. Berry vintage looking things. I did the spread was something. We'd really never seen in the pages of vogue before. Christie nominee with very short severely cut black hair partly covered by initiate purple beanie as in a field and a black shirt bearing the word Nirvana in blazing blue letters under black and white oversized flannel shirt. She's wearing any makeup. It's to turn -able except for a little touch of red than it. In. One Photo Nadia allman wearing fidget button up shirt stares directly into the camera. Must forcing you daring you to look at the nose ring and her bad freckled faced while me Campbell sits deliberately Gawky and not need an adult colored red and black striped sweater that doesn't really go in the conventional sense with the to green hat on I had with the flat flannel covers her legs or the Sturdy Hartley. Untied Booths. It was completely shocking and entirely new terrain for the magazine and Fritz relatively new editor-in-chief on a winter. I don't know if and I was. Completely into this new look I think she probably hated it. But. You know she was amazing in that. She let it happen because she trusted me that. That it was relevant and it's funny because here we are talking about it now. Now the grunge was in the pages of vogue. Now, something that could be purchased and styled. It became commodified and commercialized something that the originators grunge never sought, and in fact, actively rejected a mile. You could still find flannel shirts and the Salvation Army you could also by design versions, which may cost less than couture but was still high fashion designer prices when grunge hit the runways first off, it seemed to Pizarro that people were willing to pay that kind of money for something that any one else here would have spent like five dollars four at a thrift store I remember thinking like you kind of have to. Hate your money to buy that Megan. Jasper again, see of sub pop records. It's actually a really interesting thing because it means that this culture is speaking to a lot of people and it means that things are probably opening up. But also when you're in your early twenties, you don't WanNa fuck and share that shit like you kind of want to own it for yourself. I wasn't ready to share all of it then but I mean, what do you do with? It's not like it's something to fight against because it's happening. Wasn't being so shocking about vogue shoot was that these supermodels were wearing type of closed were much more attainable for broader audience of people. Suddenly, outfits would never been considered fashion had essentially a stamp of approval from bogue challenging the idea of what fashion could be, and it became such a topic of debate that made the news, my wife and I were sitting around at a Sunday looking at a magazine saying, where did this come from and do they really expect people to dress in this style? A movement that's been about accessibility and affordability and practicality about anti-capitalism and rebellion. Some Howard moved into something very different. It became yet another tool so close. That Borelli Person Folks Archive editor the idea. Of. Rebellion the idea of vintage. That diy aspect is inviting to young people that are interested in fashion, but don't have a big budget to spend on fashion. They idea that you can pick up a sweater with a hole in it and make kind of dangerously glamorous life. Her Cobaine is you know an attractive and not scary one. It became a symbol of rebellion and youth and independence. These are very, very seductive ideas that work really well with marketing once grunge penetrated high fashion, and then went mainstream it proved any style even the most anti fashion could upset the most established rules fashion and become fashion for a long time the idea of fashion dictatorship and rules about what was right and what was wrong fashionable was in general Greenwich Dan Have Times Bet. And that was refreshing. GRUNGE said, you can be yourself how you WANNA be yourself. People want their voices to be heard and fascist one way that they do it. Recently Kathy. Horn fashion critic at large cut reevaluated her nineteen ninety-two review of Mark Jacobs Ariella show. Why were those of us in attendance such a miserable chorus of condemn irs why did so many critics allow no room on the American runways for a look that was legitimately an expression of impertinent new values about alternative beauty unaffected Glamour Anti Luxury. You Wanna a designer does something that is so left field you can fault it for things like maybe it's a little bit exploitive of music trend maybe it's a little slap dash, but also maybe it indicates desires just desperate to break out maybe he's just trying to find his voice I could see Marx desire to say, Hey, here I am on Seventh Avenue writer opposite the five fifty building, which is where all the the prestigious designers were to say something that is more street oriented. It's more youth oriented. That's more shocking. I think that's just responding to the world around you and grown has never really left the fashion stratosphere in recent seasons both Marc Jacobs and Anna Sweet reissued those iconic collections. And when you look at the close now, they don't seem radical. They seem like a massive departure back. They seem quite normal cool and comfortable because they're established an ECLECTIC vintage driven way of dressing just continue to shake twenty-first-century fashion landscape. Surprised that we were so severe in Prissy about marks grunge collection because in its elements, it all made sense and also it was an American thing. We should have already been prepared for something like that. In many ways, this is the story about how a niche anti-fascist disrupted the fashion industry. But it's also a story about the realization that any style anywhere addressing any type of clothing could be determined fashion and for every single one of us who wake up and put something on our backs every day whether we're in Seattle downtown. So this active dressing is the way of fashioning ourselves the way of expressing ourselves. And no one is exempt from that. In bogue, the one thousand nine hundred ninety s is presented by Anna Winter and produced by Jasmin, Galera junior doyle Kinsey clock and talk. Zan Our executive producer is Alex capital men mixed by rain house mark. Do Chee. phobes creative. Director and bogues. Editorial team is led Pirelli Person Mark Holgate Nicole Phelps and myself Hamish Bove's. Special thanks to digital director at least a yob sleep vice president of audio, Jewish? And Anna Winter please do subscribe to the podcast. It helps new listeners find the show you can find additional information incredible imagery an episode references in the show notes or though dot com slash podcast I'm your host Hamish Bowles.

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Met Gala Best Dressed with Edward Barsamian and Hildy Kuryk

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Met Gala Best Dressed with Edward Barsamian and Hildy Kuryk

"Yeah. Hello, welcome to the vogue podcast. My name is hilly Curic. I'm the executive director of communications here. Vogue. Joining today with contributing editor Andre Leon Talley and Edward Barsumian. Style editor vogue dot com. We are all coming out of our post met coma and wanted to bring you the definitive thoughts on the red carpet, which we all believe was incredible on Monday night. I think seen around the world I've seen multiple comments about how the met gala broke Instagram and Facebook, it's all anyone is seeing which makes me very happy personally, Andre and Edward. We're both there on the big night. Of course. Andre at the top of the stairs. Looking at everyone. Edward inside everyone. I would love to hear what you think. Let's go right to it. Who were your favorites? Who did you lie crow civil city? My brew will beautiful Tom Ford coat that I wanted to get into the mood to discuss these fabulous looks I think with one of the best night's individuality looks. And very few people disappointed me I up on the carpet. Of course, the first to arrive that I saw with mutual Potter fabulous in midnight, blue duchesse, satin trousers and a beautiful over blah blouse. Not poncho not a parka with an extraordinary bejeweled. Could I had was waived in thirties? Marcel and she had beautiful slingbacks sandals. I really thought that. She's a great look it was look that. You might want to say was a throwback to the style of an-and Yanni, the fifties Italian star or great principle in a Palazzo enrolled, you feel like pants were big think that it was a great look. So did you think pants were big look on my pants were brilliant. Look because there was also the alternative Will Smith in a beautiful pair of satin pats at the knee, coughed beautiful black stiletto pumps. A brilliant. Black. Quotes from Chanel, and she looked absolutely beautiful for very young girl. Who's at the moment. One of the hippest girls on the planet. She rocked it. And I think she was one of the best dressed Chanel relate held at the McCallum this year willa Smith, which we just talked about looked amazing in those trousers. But then also lily rose Depp in this beautiful just kind of cloud like dress and not bomber jacket over it was just cool. It was fresh kind of ushered in a different approach for Chanel at the mccollough. It just felt a little bit young. And just cool Quinton timeless like you could wear Chanel and any age to any place. The Christian do baton shoes on willow Smith's brother of Jaden that came together date looked fabulous. And he is of course, you know, a flu agenda Representative of Louis tone in advertising, buddy, looked brilliant. And they were very very correctly behaved. They were very elegant on. The Vitton crew was also at least. Vic ender? Michelle Williams, Selena Gomez. Night a big night. I mean in addition to having Taylor swift coup with yes, the marquee moment of the night, totally. But what was really cool about the veto girls? And boy, including Jaden was the fact that they were all wearing these really cool like tread soul thick soled boots on the red carpet. And it just again, it was one of those moments where you really got to see old meets new and and just a different approach. I think everybody wishes they had those types of on that night to comment on the coal Kidman. It's having the most beautiful dress of the evening cerebral Alexander McQueen. She was like a Princess. She was very Royal. She had a beautiful beautiful husband Keith urban has the most bedazzled accessory and the Starlight celestial galaxy of Cape and dress was magnificent. I couldn't agree more. She radiated brilliance that evening and with Keith urban on her arm. I mean that was a really cool. Someone much talked about in the office. Everyone was very excited. He was coming another house that had a huge night. Obviously. In addition to tal- was bomber the bomb on army was arrived in force. And I think what's such a special night for him. Not only obviously to have Kim in Konya. And I know where you voted them. Best dressed for vogue dot com. Completely. I I know Andre's going to speak further to this. I think that acumen con-. Yeah. Represented Belmont beautifully. As the dashing plan. The mother was in bowel man, the sisters where everyone except KENDALL. And I think that Mr. Kanye west broke the glass, ceiling fashion, he and his jeans. It was perfectly appropriate for an artist as he is to be the best dressed. He was indeed the best dressed, man. And I applaud him for taking that freedom in that bravery and courage to wear jeans. If Andy Warhol had come to the met in two thousand sixteen he would won jeans wore jeans, everywhere I worked with him. I have been personally he will jeans when it's Cedo he wore jeans Vatican. He will gene to the most important houses in patterns, I'm taking my inspiration from his look today, shredded jeans, and Jean jacket, but the ball man crew that night, really. It was such a powerful statement to have Joan Smalls in that beautifully embellish frock, and then you've got Jordan and in a short version, but really what stood above all of them was really Cindy Crawford. I mean, I think she was really a show stopper that night to see her on the carpet. She rocked that dress. She rocked that moment in for her. To come in with a Libyan to have that picture together really was such a strong signal and her post after party, look where she changed was also equally cool. I mean, it was out of all man party. She changed. She showed off her legs and everything and it's just cool. That's the moment of the supermodel that we don't really see that much anymore. I agree and I loved how I was watching Andre doing his interviews. And you saw young supermodels like g g and KENDALL be so excited to hang out with Cindy. And it was just such an amazing. I think it was a big night for models. Overall completely. You really got to see the return of the model their personality and just them and their relationship with the designer again, most notably up all men, but also Andre I know you have the incredible incomparable Naomi Campbell allegedly the best Walker in the world in we're going to cover Ali in a beautiful cut out my old dress from Roberto Cavalli a notice that she is injured. She has. Sneakers because she has a foot injury address was throwback to Kobe from patron in one thousand nine hundred cesary meal a throwback to the Adrian silhouette and she looked beautiful. I do want to say that. I also thought that beyond say in the latex Ricardo tisches, you've all she could to address really work because it was a pale color if it had been black. It would have been very wrong. It was totally correct. Have very pure, and she looked very lax this very comfortable in after she just probably took a private plane from her tour stop in Florida or wherever she was and she came up to the and I thought that she looked absolutely beautiful, and very very very, very romantic. It was VERA magic look it didn't have the fireworks of last year. But I did hear say to some photographer that it was a much more comfortable, dressing, lectures. I would imagine my favorite part of Naomi's. Look actually also were the door a bracelet. She was wearing these matching cops with diamonds on them and sell which makes it easy. Even better because when we needed these strong jewelry moments, and with her look, it just punctuated it with just a hint of sparkle, and it just worked and with beyond as again as Andre said. I mean, she said it was more comfortable than last year. It brought the same amount of. Wow factor. Totally Z kind of Elizabethan silhouette with Demi LEGO mutton sleeve, but made out of latex, that's kind of a tour take on vamp style. It was kind of cool. I agree. I don't think she was style. I don't think the would be. Like vamp like vamping. Sorry, take it back. All right. I would like to say von to read any profile wrong with a dramatic train. Strapless short surprise for her incredibly, great as she hard beautiful. She worked so hard on the the whole evening, and she went in the dramatic and cool. And I was very proud to see that much to the Chanel joss. Right. I would have thought it was just beautiful just very very beautiful the G. She Hadid Zion looked incredible. As a couple I thought saying really great in his facade suit and his armor. I guess they went on with sleeves and cuffs related on and G had on a very very elegant, Tommy hilfiger, and I think she had on nails. I think she told me the nails were made of something. She hasn't done earlier in the day either metal or metal nails or something like that. She had some metal jewelry. But it was very elegant look, and they looked really good in bed carpet together. And that was very elegant. Statement for Mr. sane. I also think that wiz Khalifa what nother one of those unexpected moments on the red carpet for man, he was in a light tan. This. Ragging, bone, creating? And it was so cool that he just went for head to toe cream. I mean, Jared Leto who was in Gucci was another gentleman. We saw also head to toe cream his tales. But again, it was kind of this old meets new, and it was just fun with g g one of my favorite parts. Actually, it was she had this glitter in her hair that was just at the part, and as that had glitter in the entire evening. I could relate it was a lot of glitter. A lot of glitter glitter on the face glitter in the hair people really went out with the makeup. I thought too which was cool crafts with to be really applauded for coming up such a brave. Look it was like a Zik girl from thirties was show. It was much of a trend. I don't use the word trend with a very much of emotion on the red carpet. The thought she looked wonderful shed Ziegfield Matt's on she had beautiful Ziegfield showgirl shoes with enormous plumes of marabou. It was unexpected. And I really had to do my work to find out who she was on the red carpet. I also say that. On the other alternative moment. Valentino that she was wearing was lured the Valentino path came up steps together in a beautiful romantic pale, seafoam, ruffle Valentino dress very sort of a mermaid age, but very traditional. I thought it was called again as Andre said to have that face mask. Brought back images for me at least kind of trimming Capote's black and white ball where you have all these beautiful swans in these. Logan. And it was just she looked like she was having fun with the team with the evening and everything. And again, it was just another one who had a mask is a great friend of Andres. Will I am? I was there when he arrived a mascot mass cat. I really liked the beautiful visor, and he was wearing Gucci Gucci custom-made dinner jacket, and he arrived. And so the next moment was his laundry. Oh, the great design of Gucci a Silva may Jenna suit, and he came with the Princess of Monaco. I don't know her name, but she ended up beautiful Gucci dress. It was very closed up. It was very covered up long sleeves and ruffles romantic perfect perfect date. And she was very unexpected guests at the Mets, Charlotte Charlotte's Princess, Charlotte. Shop. Yes. The new generation of Monica royals, so to speak. I think that the men were beautiful when they looked at the white tie host address. He said he had had one fitting with Tom Ford, and it really fit. It was perfect. I think the Tom foot looks great in white tie. I think he'd never abetted. He looks the best in white tie. When he comes to steps because he's got the kind of silhouette that it takes to cut a look. And I think that the whole thing was a great celebration of style, personal style and individual style. Totally. I agree. I thought every gentlemen that were traditional white high on as Andres head Idris killed it. And Mr Ford also again, I spoke with him after the carpet. And I said, what did you think of all the different sounds, and he's like, I think when it says tie, it says type that's the best statement because it just brings back that old school sense of refinement, however with Khalifa and Jared Leto made. A huge case for forging your own path and really wearing cream or white head to toe. I thought that was beautiful letter was he was beautiful with a walking cane that was a very sort of a wonderful instability of David Bowie, kind of Bianca with woken Cain androgynous elegance thought that the arrival of Princess Charlotte, Jared and Sandro it was wonderful. It was sparkling common in Brown satin. I think it was by home Calvin Klein me mistaken. It was dog Brown and Brown site and saddened bowtie sat and showed in a beautiful Brown, satin appel dinner suit that was quite quite elegant for comment, and it was very wonderful choice of wearing something that was appropriate. Original in different. I think that was the best moments fashion for high fashion that was very very risks taking I think they were Broadway's taken anywhere and another great man was Nick Jonas in a top man tuxedo. Great, so cool, so happy young, comfortable, helix, fabulous. Totally. I mean, he's got this new album coming out, and he shows of the top shop top man crew with all of these beautiful young girls. Young actresses young music Earls everything it was his night. I mean, he really just had fun with it. And I like the subtle texture that his jacket hat, it just lifted into something really different. And interesting. Let's go to the co-chair Taylor swift was absolutely marvellous movie. I up and really rocking those gladiator sandal boots part of a new look what soft new platinum blonde hair given by vogue. The dress was amazing. She was relaxed. She looked wonderful and the short was in. I think she set the trend in the games up the steps in short, really brilliant. Also with the with the sequence. I mean, she really led the way in terms of that whole silver locate, so Brooklyn, it's okay. Sequence where you thinking I only saw her from faraway thought it was forgiven. Now, we must go to the pizza because new pizza in this shimmering c-phone Calvin Klein really looked magnificent. I thought she gave a very beautiful a much to the great and the late Nina Simone with their Nina Simone. I knew very well. I knew as used to go to a conference when I was young. She make you stop talking. She wouldn't play to shut up and I once in concert with this kind of a head to this kind of bombastic. Omarosa African women, and I thought that she was beautiful in her plunging silhouette, Maryland esque, Calvin Klein extraordinary collection, dress and these marvelous marvelous jewels by Tiffany and co thought she looked amazing and very dignified completely and her dress was actually modeled after in the matrix all of those code. The green cove it was and there's a story up on the site right now where you kinda get to see the behind the scenes and stuff like that. It's just it was it was such a beautiful moment. Because as Andre said, it did bring up Marilyn Monroe in terms of silhouette, but it had that maternity through kind of matrix. Like, the red carpet show this season, a great great moments of individuality and great elegance and sophistication and a great deal of attention to trying to step out of the box and look different very appropriate. I thought that I can't pronounce a name, but the young girl from vinyl. She's in new series HBO called vinyl, which I look at every Sunday Juno temple. I thought that she looked marvelous in them her soft pre raphaelite hair and those lovely Levin. Too thin thin thin strips of ribbon going through the grit pale grey lace plunging neckline, the long sleeves long. Sleaze trend on the runway. I think be shafir really marvelous and very beautiful in her long sneeze thera dress with a beautiful bejeweled train. And she knows how to work a train, and she loves the train, and she looked absolutely elegant. And so that this young lady, it takes a lot for young ladies to get into that kind of dress and to have that kind of beautiful elegance, and I think Juno really made this dress work from Dan. But having those ringlets pre raphaelite living lead. Totally it was a big night for femininity and just bringing back that lady. Like, look, I think agreed. And I think you know, I do wanna make share one way to segue into this talking. Some people interpreted the tech theme. Everyone interpreted it differently which is what we love about the red carpet. Right. But I know there were a couple who really took tech to heart completing get with electricity included. We should say are batteries included. One of them is obviously Claire Danes, and as I had been noted this is one of the most talked about dresses on the night on the internet. The reason it's so talked about is because it. Eliminates there are twenty battery packs actually inside. This you have to like tear switch inside of the folds zorno. Probably did it by remote control Zach that he had worked on this fabric to make sure that it limited at the right, shade everything. And you know, you wonder this is such a grand Philo wet. And it's I mean, it was beautiful and sheet to talk about working train. She can do that she can carry off a ballerina fairytale. But to be able when it was dark and to see it light up it really look spectacular. And they were a couple other people who markes had address design with Watson caroliina Kurkova were address that was co designed with IBM's Walton. And so it was aggregating information live from Twitter, and it would change colors all of the floral rosettes would change colors new take on rain. A new take on the mood ring, very Otake on the mood ring. But also, which was interesting was Emma, Watson war address from Calvin Klein collection that was made out of recycled bottles, and what was really cool about. It was the fact that it had the. Touchable skirt so underneath she was wearing trousers which let her dance very comfortable. Look all night and go straight to the party, which was pretty good. The recycled bottles, the fabric is made. Okay, green. Yes. Very green. Very green didn't live here. I say to you on the red carpet that she was wearing a dress she'd worn before because she felt like you can wear dresses, you know, a number of times on the red carpet. I like everyone's take on green. Another cool interpretation of the tech was KENDALL Jenner in the Italian or Sachi dress. It kind of reminded me of a motherboard and just the coloration of it. The white the blue the cutouts. She really was one of the key people who did the cut out very well. Yeah. Very very classes and otherwise clause in the Brandon Maxwell, which again for the after party, she just that which good for her go for it was another one where when you're hinting at skin which can always be a little bit risky. She just look great. I agree. I agree actually had a big night Andre right with totally gone. Absolutely -nificant. I thought that her hair was soft up full eight was borderline country western singer. But she looks extrordinary, and it's very custom-made beautifully. High-tech articulated bolero Donatella Saatchi thought she actually and then she had the beautiful body camisole with it and her long drink of legs in those extrordinary, boots only she can wear boots that she's like an extraordinary kind of athletic moment when you can get up those steps in these boots that something like eight inch. Heels says no he'll like that. It's like eight inch heel ten inch. I don't know. And then of course, when she went to the after the boom, boom room, I was happy to see this. She also changed into thought she totally silver tone of hightech one shouldered very beautiful she's carrying the benefit of sake until yet as she did beautifully at the somewhere, golden gloves. Beautiful black dress straddling slow, very two, very fitted very hourglass rate fifties. But I thought she looked absolutely beautiful at the met. And let's just talk. About madonna. I thought that Donna absolute was Madonna at her best you expect that from Adani spectra to expose all of the north south east and west, but yet hint of delicacy in black lace by Ricardo t-. She and she started to have a detractors. But I do think that Madonna did a beautiful best and she had the boots. And she looked good that she felt proud does. She actually clear the runway for her own pitchers. I don't know. I was inside for them for the red carpet and she could the red carpet. She had a lion. She had them backed up in the line itself. But I think she looked really beautiful. Her bag was also really cool. I liked that she brought a an actual person with our because I feel like women do have things that they need to carry with them. On the for Saatchi note, k twigs looked so cool. It was just this beautiful blush tone floor length dress. But it kind of had this built in harness that just gave her a little bit of a more defined shape. And she was wearing head and face jewelry that went into her to it was just no one knows how to rock face jewelry like f k Twix. She's the only one who I. And make it elegant refined and yet somehow still cool. Yeah. A great. There was some turn addresses or maternity moments charity mullets we had a lot of pregnant women on the carpet. And I think they all did incredibly. Well, I mean, you have Livia wild Kerry Washington in Mark Jacobs bump Blake lively. I thought though did do it passed in the custom Christopher Bailey for Burberry drowsy with strapless. It was diaphanous. I mean, I mean, it was breathtaking seemed to match the carpet and the decor perfectly. You couldn't have asked for a better term one person. Who knows how to match the Mekel carpet would be Blake lively greed in terms of embellishments. We definitely saw law of sequences. Yes. Now, we can talk about your sequence there. We're definitely so many sequins. It was a lot of silver of leading the pack. I think was definitely rehearsing in. This custom Peron's school dress. She was working with the designers. Jack and lacerra on this kind of recalled a bid of her Golden Globes dress by Calvin Klein because it had those cutouts just about the hips. But what was really cool was the tears of the skirt that just really showed off her shoes showed off her elegant. He wasn't a sexy play. It was sexy. But it wasn't a skin play. And the pulled back hair the low fi jewelry. It was just a clean moment. She really let the dress shine. And I thought it was a great moment for both of them. Another person who I thought did a really cool job in in sequence was actually Sienna Miller in Gucci. She somebody who over the past year, we've seen kind of go from her bohemian like festival girl sil- into more of a minimal and modern closest for for lack of a better word and Kate young has really worked with her to help develop that that static with this strapless Gucci. It was cool that she was highlighting for hair and body. We have not talked about Nikki Manashe, I would say Nikki Manashe, Katy Perry. Both people who love fashion. Always bring it to the red carpet in some way and ten to really take risks. Totally you're talking about two of the music industry's most, you know, bold characters. So when Nikki Manashe wore this multi buckle dress by. Mosquito. The kind of brought back to old Nikki where you know, you would see her with the beehive hair and stuff like that. But again, it's still had that polish to it because she had the gloves. It had the train and she just still kept. It very elegant in terms of Katy Perry. This was just a wow moment. It was a custom piece by Prada. It was very dramatic. It had embellishments it had embroidery. It was just a grand moment when she stepped out on the carpet. It was it was just cooled. Also in product was me gall who I thought did a beautiful job of kind of marrying that old school nineties slip dress moment with the modern embellishments that we saw throughout the night Prada really ran the gamut. It's felt like they really did a different take in every dress, which is nice to see they really showed their range of kind of what they wanted to do on the evening. Whereas I feel like do agree like Louis Vuitton may be kept it, you know, a lot of people were wearing the combat boot that kind of theme that ran throughout. Definitely I think there were few designers that you saw that really wanted to highlight different silhouettes different cuts different technique. Gucci was another one to KOTA Johnson were this beautiful. Booed inspired dress with a stars all over it. And she is a movie star. So as she should wear a dress with stars on it. She kept her hair and makeup of simple. And really just looked like the modern day movie star. She had these two giant. I'm briefly cups from Norman Silverman acting as the hint of sparkle for the night. I thought that so just Caco's owed to the eighteenth century via Hamilton Hamilton extra on samba was very original love, the the fluttering ruffles the seduction of the surprise of. The course it seat through back. I love this sort of sloppy. But fluky elegant pants again. A pant was the big moment. And she's very brave, and it was a masterclass and how to come to the met and think out of the box. She always brings such thought to her mechalle looks for years and. For me. This was really cool. This kind of like Carrie Bradshaw is coming to the mat. And she wore this custom mall, say suit. And it was a big moment for these items. They've had a lot of red carpet coverage in the past. They've been worn by everybody likes, Lena Gomez, and Jamie king, but to really have s JP the mecca in your knicker suit. I thought that was cool and as Andre said, very different Lauren. Bush was totally represented a beautiful rough Lauren because all those classical in very covered up in white collar, and it was a throwback to the bell jour. Catherine the great moments when bell zoo for those very strict severe printing proper cloth's is on E someone wrong yet. It was not an inspiration on owed to even around by. No means Lauren Bush's dress. It was chiffon. It was long. It was appropriately elegant, and I think that the is a moment when time you really want to represent the brand like Ralph Lauren, and you wear something very el-agha. Int-? You don't have to be sexy in strapping stress. You can be equally -ducted insofar with a very very very pristine, Peter Pan collar and cuffs completely true. Another girl in Ralph Lauren was Rosie Huntington Whiteley with her fiance Jason state, and this is somebody who were used to seeing such a total bombshell. And not that she wasn't on on Monday evening, but she kind of just pulled it back up to the little bit. More refined elegant. Stunning. I saw her get out of that car with the leg and the slit, and it was fabulous. I mean, that's what I wish I saw more of on the award show red carpet. Elegant. I wish we saw a lot of this on the show red carpets to be on it, we could use it. So any best-dressed we still feel the same Edward evoke? Non for me that stress lady Gaga bets. Dress kinda west bits. I I really liked Mr. MRs west for me. They were the ones they really embraced the theme. But they did it in such a radical way that just felt different and fresh. She literally had this suit of armor on with so heavy because I actually did feel it and lift it, I thought it was cool. I thought it represented represented the best of three them the way the world should really embrace freedom the Mets should embrace freedom museum of art. An art is the greatest way to show the genius of creativity is showing beautiful things of art in the world. And I thought that it is from his point of view. It was about creativity and freedom him to come and shredded chains and Abell Matt with the juxtaposition of embroidered jacket entity shirt and the iridescent blue contacts, and I do think. That for elegance by non for a traditional dress. Nicole Kidman took it to the top very elegant, and yet very sparkling in very very full of fireworks. It was very beautiful theme of addressed where it showed a sort of romantic throwback to thirties style thought it was very beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. The vote podcasts reduction of oh magazine recorded here at one World Trade Center and produced by Nagai Mohammadi, and he'll Couric. 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"This marketplace podcast is brought to you by. Indeed, are you hiring with? Indeed, you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash marketplace. That's indeed dot com slash marketplace. Does this happen in other countries? I mean, where the government just shuts down from American public media. This is marketplace. In Los Angeles. I'm Carl Razon is Friday today, the eleventh of January good as always to have you long. Everybody three weeks. As of today is where we are with eight hundred thousand people in this economy, either locked out of their jobs or being forced to work without pay. It is a grand you kind of a Downer place to start. But it is what we've got k Davidson to the Wall Street Journal Sudi Brady's at political. They are both politico rather they are both in our bureau in Washington DC, everybody. Hey, K K. Let me start with you. And and I'm going to start with a completely subjective question. And it goes like, this, do you suppose, there's an amount of economic pain either personal or macroeconomic pain that will bring this shut down to a close. Ooh, that's a tough question happy. We're we're I think we're about to find out. So as you pointed out, the shutdowns been going on for three weeks, but today is actually the day that federal workers are supposed to get paid. So this is the first missed paycheck. If they have. Deposit. If they get a pay an actual, physical paycheck might be over the course of the next few days. But generally speaking a lot of people are now going to experience starting today. What life is like without this money that they depend on. So we will start to see I think the economic effects on our smaller scale the longer the shutdown continues. Of course, the the more widespread. Those affected will be on the economy. So I don't know, you know, there's the IRS if they pay out refunds that was one big question. Yeah. That's another way that this is affecting a lot more people. So so it remains to be seen. But certainly the longer it goes on. I think the harder it will be for lawmakers to be able to to justify and rationalize this. Should he blew me ask if variation on that question, which is does anybody care that all these people are being hurt? I think we're going to see the Republican lawmakers who were standing with President Trump start to fall away from him. They're going to see that there. Sichuan's are not getting their paychecks and are having extreme angst in their own households in their communities. They're gonna find that businesses that rely on the government rely on government workers around. These communities are getting hit that is real pain that will be remembered at in the next election. And so they know that that's a problem, and they don't want to hit them right now. Most of the political damage is hitting President Trump, and I don't see a whole lot of signs that he is moved by this all that much. But individual lawmakers will be Kate. I will note here that the consumer price index came out today from the good people at the bureau of labor statistics, which is still open and funded cornflakes to two percent right about word span. And and it's a good number. The question though, is as various parts of the government shutdown to the prior point about macroeconomic pain. Are we losing the ability to measure parts of this economy? Yeah. Absolutely. I think later this month or supposed to get reports on GDP on retail sales. And those are reports that are produced by the Commerce Department, which is not funded right now. And they're not putting out that information and me heard the fed chairman yesterday Jerome Powell say that the longer this continues, the less clear picture policymakers have and obviously right now is a very sensitive time for the economy. Have markets have been you know, in turmoil. The fed is trying to distinguish I think markets themselves are trying to distinguish is this is this because of underlying problem with the economy. Does it have more to do with trade tensions, or you know, these factors that could be could be temporary? And they are looking at this data the fed to determine, you know, whether to raise interest rates that they really depend on it. And if they don't have leaders month that will really complicate things she did a little montage yesterday of the fishermen, you know, in his first like five minutes or so using the words using the word patient, right? He's ready to be patient five times. He wants to make sure that that Wall Street and the markets understand that the fed now. Gets in. Yeah. Yeah. He could have just said, please don't freak out. Please. Paid money to see that man. Yeah. That's exactly what they did for weeks. The fed chair has been trying to get interest rates back to a somewhat normal level. And we're still pretty far from that. He's trying and trying to do what a lot of people had been screaming about for a decade, and he gets close to it and markets freak out. They have their tantrum. We had a a taper tantrum. Five years have. Now, we have this this this tantrum with markets. And it's it's the kind of thing that ends up really wearing on fed chairs. They don't wanna be responsible for the market crash. They're they're happy to let someone else like the president take responsibility for that. And in this case, the this fed chairman of like, hey, where we hear you were gonna be calm about it. We wanna see the data, obviously, they can't see all the economic data right now. But they want to see the data and with the day to do the job of freaking out markets down the road. I know she gets ironic because this fed chairman has tried so hard to be plane. I know, and it just seems to not be working out. Well, I should say here, by the way. I misspoke yesterday he was at the economic club of Washington, New York. So there's that, but one of the other things she talked about Kate was the global economy and how he's keeping an eye on that. So gimme thirty seconds. And then you get the same question. What's the bigger worry right now, the global economy, which I think is probably a synonym for China right now or what's going on here. Well, it's a good question. I think it's hard to know. I mean, certainly Jay Powell he mentioned China and the slowdown there. But he also mentioned well, he mentioned the trade tensions which again are related to what's happening with China. But I think that this fiscal uncertainty is fueling some of it. The the the tweets from the president. I don't think are helping of course, Jay Powell isn't gonna go anywhere near that. He didn't talk about really talk about the president. But, but I do, but I I do think that that the uncertainty is our serpine maybe piling up for the fed. And if you're sitting in his chair as worrying as the job where you have to worry all day long trying to figure out what's going to knock you off. Course, you're sitting there thinking we are almost ten years into an economic expansion. There's likely going to be a shock that knocks. Off course, what's is going to be am I going to be blamed for it? And can I do anything to prevent it? And there's not a lot do if it's a global issue and all you can try to do is prevent it from happening from within two. What? Virk sent he can. But it's got to be nerve wracking when you see all the risks overseas. And and some mounting here at home to be wondering, whether there's anything you can do to to to keep this expansion going a lot longer than most people think it should sediba ready from politico. Brightening up your Friday. Kate Davidson of the Wall Street Journal. Thanks you too. Thanks guy. Enjoy your weekend Wall Street on this Friday, by the way down but barely and kind of calm down as well. We'll have the details when we do the numbers. General Motors made a big announcement back in November. You might remember said it's going to close as many as five plants lay off fifteen thousand people stop producing a bunch of models as well all with the goal of saving four and a half billion dollars by the year. Twenty twenty GMC you Mary Barra made another announcement day full year profits for two thousand eighteen are going to be better than the company predicted just a couple of months ago and two thousand nineteen is looking pretty good as well here and in China as we said in the rap a minute ago, it's a country that is the source of great worry for many a corporation. Marketplace's Mitchell Hartman has that one let's start with the economic backdrop to today's news from GM. There's a lot of anxiety out there. Economists see weakening demand for new cars and domestic and international headwinds, the current shutdown interest rates the tariff in trade negotiations and risk. That's analyst Jeff Schuster at L. M C automotive Schuster says with the layoffs and plant closures already. Announced GM has gotten itself into position to operate. More lean Lee and mainly in two thousand nineteen is part of the restructuring. They are able to not only whether the slower volume, but continue to grow earnings per share going forward. GM we'll be focusing on its most profitable vehicles like this Chevy Silverado and GMC Yukon new models come out this year and more or on the drawing board says Paul Eisenstein at the Detroit bureau dot com. They'll emphasize utility vehicles, perhaps more pickups, and certainly a lot more electric vehicles. This slowdown in China has a lot of automakers worried, but David Wisden at MorningStar says GM's product mix including luxury vehicles like the Cadillac put it in a good position even a sales volumes. Fall cat Oxman growing ferociously in China for a number of years now you can make up for some that loss volume at much higher prices. And that's why you see GM China doing way. Better than four China right now with today's upbeat profit predictions. There was no indication GM is reconsidering its downsizing plans. David Wisden says GM still has plants that aren't operating at full capacity making vehicles that aren't selling. Well, so more downsizing could still becoming I'm Mitchell. Hartman for marketplace. Mark your calendars for the next make or break date for Brexit, unless you know, things change Prime Minister Theresa May's trying to get parliament to sign off on the exit deal. She negotiated with European Union. Tuesday is the vote it's the fifteenth. But you might remember she bail on a vote on the very same plan back before Christmas. Controversial doesn't really begin to describe the thing. And if it doesn't pass there's a real possibility Britain leaves the EU at the end of March all by its lonesome from the European desk in London. Marketplace's Stephen beard has that story. Civil war over Brexit. Turn. Distinctly uncivil this week. And to e you activists vented their fury outside parliament, even milder. Pro Brexit protesters here like Bob Bennett, angry about the prime minister's deal. Theresa May remain. A she wants to stay in the U, Mike, she's trying to pretend that she's delivered Brexit. But really she's kept us. Well, and truly Betty with you. I'm just gets Garrett. We voted for Brexit. All brexit. Many Brexit is fair that maze deal will track the UK permanently in customs union, and it won't be able to forge its own free trade deals with countries. Like, the US all set its own tariffs. Staunch remain is also oppose the deal Britain. They say would be much better off staying in the EU. Former conservative party lawmaker Ben Gummer describes next week's vote. As fateful. I think it's probably unique in modern parliamentary history because Mems upon being asked to make the country and their constituents publicly poorer and less secure remain is and Brexit is seemed likely to unite in vote down maze deal here in parliament next week. But that won't may in another two recession in house of Commons could result in Britain, leaving the EU at the end of March without any dealer toll. To avoid no deal is to vote for the deal. In fact, Britain has already begun preparing for no deal allocating more than two billion dollars for the task trading. Hundreds more border staff and pumping out info ads on the radio. My travel be affected when we leave the EU. What about documents driving? The EU has been preparing for no deal to Brexit here. Conservative party lawmaker Michael fabric and very quietly. The European Union have been passing all sorts of directives to ensure for example, the debt travel and road transportation between Britain and the EU continue in the event of no deal. He says a whole raft of such no deal mitigation measures are in the pipeline. Of course, it's hope is that that would have to happen because it's not just the United Kingdom that needs the EU as a trading partner, but the EU needs the United Kingdom to he believes that a no deal outcome would not be anything like as bad as remain as imagine. These remain as protesting outside parliament say that new deal would be a disaster. But they don't think lawmakers will let it happen. Preparations are ploys says Helen Siyabi. Frighten. The remain is to vote for her tail by saying, oh, well, you can either have may steal and how one leg chopped off or you can have not ill. And both legs chopped off. What kind of choices that C ABI deplores, the expenditure on no deal planning millions and millions of being wasted on that when that money could be going to hospitals and I'll schools, and it's an absolute crime. Knowing don't forget Jesus Christ. As son of taking advantage of the crowd outside parliament evangelical Christian turned up to put his own message into the mix. This country remaining won't save this country. The only one who can save this country as the Lord Jesus Christ himself who is given the turmoil confusion and parliamentary paralysis many people of faith. None might agree with the sentiment. Gold help Britain in London. I'm Stephen beard for marketplace. Coming up. It's not that glamorous behind the scenes, so, you know, make that brand money the hustle that is celebrity makeup. But first, let's do the numbers. No doctoral, barely moved today. Lost his five points closed at twenty three thousand nine ninety five. Nasdaq down fourteen points about two tenths percent sixty nine seventy one S and P five hundred flat loss less than a point twenty five ninety six four to five days gone by though the Dow at a two point four percent. The NASDAQ three point four percent to the good the S and P five hundred up about two and a half percent as we heard from Mitchell GM's doing all right shares at seven percent today. Starbucks down seven tenths percent after Goldman Sachs predicted the company would follow apple in warning of weaker sales in China Goldman, downgraded Starbucks, by the way to neutral bond prices rose yield on the ten year treasury note fell two point six nine percent. You're listening to marketplace. Marketplace podcast is brought to you by with Sabi. Hot cloud storage. If your company's thinking about moving data storage to the cloud, check out the company. That's rethinking cloud storage with Sabi is less expensive than just the maintenance on your current on premises storage. Plus, it's eighty percent cheaper. And. Six times faster than Amazon S three with no egress fees. Experience. It for yourself with free unlimited storage for a month. Go to Assab dot com. Click free trial and use the offer code was ambi- Andhra. Capterra. It's twenty nineteen. 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This is marketplace, I'm KAI Ryssdal. Another day, another streaming service, Amazon home of prime video one of the biggies in the original content. Business is starting up another one free dive it's called which is going to be a free but ad supported service on its subsidiary IMDB the movie and TV show database now why exactly would Amazon wanna start. Another streaming service marketplaces Marielle Sagarra's on that one more than one hundred million people subscribed to Amazon's prime service and have access to its video streaming and Amazon's original shows are winning awards and the Golden Globe gusts. You transparent. And the Golden Globe goes to. The marvelous MRs Mazo. So why would start yet another streaming service, Brooke? Aaron Duffy teaches communications at Cornell. Amazon prime is exclusively available to people who are willing to pay for the subscription service and not everyone is willing to the ad based model allows Amazon to reach a different kind of you're that model isn't new to the streaming world. It is new to Amazon, but don't expect free dive Amazon's new service to cut into its prime business. The free dive catalog will be filled with older shows and movies. Dan, Raeburn isn't analyst at frost and Sullivan. We let's be honest here. How many people are really coming onto watch violent or Dracula movies on, you know, dime DB website. It's not gonna be that many. But he says Amazon doesn't have much to lose here. The way these deals work typically when its content it's much older to publisher rightsholder something like Gilgit violences. Okay. Amazon. We'll give you this content for free up front. And an exchange you'll share X percentage of all the ad revenue. So it's a win win, and it gives Amazon a chance to grow its already sizeable several billion dollar a year at business. I'm maryelle Sagarra for marketplace. At some point the shutdown is going to end. And when it does there's going to be some pent up demand. Let loose in this economy, including on Wall Street with the securities and Exchange Commission, not being fully staffed has meant initial public offerings just aren't being offered. But when they do start up again, the Wall Street Journal reports slack the workplace messaging service is going to be right there in line, but instead of issuing its doc through a traditional IPO slack is said to be considering something called they direct listing. Instead, marketplace's Eric embarrassed explains what a direct listing is. And why a company might want to do one. Usually when a company is about to make us stock exchange debut with a traditional IPO. There's a whole bunch of people involved investment bankers analysts, and it cost the company a lot of money. Kathleen wise, Hanley finance professor at Lehigh university by using and underwritten process, the underwriter can often get information about how much the securities will be priced and it can reduce the amount of volatility that occurs in the first trading day, then there's a direct listing when a company bypasses the whole process and starts trading. Existing shares. It can be risky without established investors built into the offering their more exposed to volatility. Plus, no company wants to have to go through the education process of doing something for the first time and getting investors used to it J Ridder finance professor at the university of Florida says, although it's unusual for large companies to do it direct listing. Spotify did that and widely viewed as quite successfully. And that's opened it up for companies like slacked, try direct listing building on their cash infusion and established brands all without paying fees to investment banks. And getting a quicker sense of the true market value of the company so Grunfeld teaches corporate governance at Stanford law school and is a former Commissioner at the SEC. He says if direct offerings become more common. And I think we may actually see a major seachange in the relationship between issuing companies and traditional investment banks, and that could be the latest tech disruption. I'm Eric Harris for marketplace. Speaking of stocks, by the way, you could say the markets have been facing a lot of this my favorite five syllable word, right altogether. Now vol till it t-, we call up the good people at merriam Webster and get this. The number of searches for volatility was up more than two hundred and fifty percent last year. You can read more about the history of that term at marketplace dot org. If you were following the Golden Globes coverage last weekend, and quite possibly even if you weren't you probably saw the clothes and the stylings on the red carpet right case in point lady Gaga, she only walked away with one globe. I guess it's called in the singular, but that dress and specifically her makeup were winners, which was maybe even more than the ords themselves. Kind of the whole economic point of the evening because makeup brands are spending a whole lot of money to get spotted on the red carpet shirl wish over wrote about it for vox, welcome to the program. Thank you talk to me about the nuts. And bolts of this thing, so lady Gaga has a makeup person. Right. Her name is Sarah Tanno, and she has a brand ambassador deal with Marc Jacobs beauty. She's paid to use their products. She goes on press junkets with them. And most importantly, she posts her clients in these products on social media. So mark. Jacobs the next morning or that evening will send out a press. Release to beauty editors with a list of very detailed products. Here's what we use and Sarah herself posted them on her down to the shade. And and idee number of the lip gloss, or whatever I e s not all the time. But I I have her Instagram pulled up right here and she listed every single product with the product name and a close up on goggles face. If you want to go by that is shadow, you know, exactly which one it is right? Do we have any sense of how much lady Gaga has makeup person gets paid by market games? I have a sense, no one talks about it. It's probably in the six figures, it could be higher a very high profile makeup artist, which I think lady Gaga counts as that. You know, she's making a lot which I have to say, I think they deserve it. It's not that glamorous behind the scenes, so you know, make that brand money. No, totally right. And this is this is your chosen profession it. It is it it's not a dirty little secret. But I guess everybody in the fashion industry knows this right? It's just the rest of us are clueless. Yes, they're not trying to hide necessarily. But they're also not being very upfront about it will not be scold here. But there are actually Federal Trade Commission rules about what these influencers are supposed to disclose when they do this stuff on Instagram. Right. Yes. Correct. And compliance is. I think the word in your piece was wishy washy or or body the yes, there's instances where it's maybe more important to disclose. Lows. Like this didn't make it into the piece. But the regulatory attorney I spoke to said, you know, if a makeup artist is saying, I chose this color because I chose this lipstick because it's the most long lasting that sounds more even more like an endorsement than just like putting a picture of the product on there. And that should absolutely be disclose. But as a consumer if you're just flipping through looking at Golden Globes looks it's still not obvious who's paid in who isn't right? Well to that point about flipping through and looking at gold, Golden Globes looks magazines today. We'll have you know, whole sections on. Here's how you can get this look, which is how this translates into a consumer. She right. Who can spend, you know, forty seven dollars on whatever that Colorado was right? I mean, and it's not even magazines. It's it's websites. Now, you know, your Bill beauty editor you can click immediately and purchase it as you're watching the show. Like if you say, oh my God. Ladies gaga. I love that sparkley. I shed. Oh, I must have it. You can click and buy it before the show is over. And you know, that's what brands want the they certainly do shirl was you over. Writing for vox about the the makeup industry. Honestly at the red carpet show. Thanks a lot. I appreciate your time. Thanks. This final note on the way out. I'm just going to play some tape. It's the president of the United States as you'll hear today in the White House talking about me, you know, what else this is where I asked the Democrats to come back to Washington and to vote for one in four the wall the barrier. Whatever you wanna call it a joke with me, they could name it, whatever they can name it peaches. I don't care what they ended. I looked it up. According to the national retail report for specialty crops from the agricultural marketing service of the US department of agriculture. The average national price per pound last week for peaches come of various yellow flesh varieties was two dollars seventy four cents path. All right. We gotta go. The Dow up just five points today. The NASDAQ down fourteen points about two tenths percent S and P five hundred was flat theme music was composed by BJ Liederman. Marketplace's executive producer is Nancy forgotten. Our executive editor is Evelyn the Rubia. 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Jeanne Beker: stories from 27 years of Fashion Television

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Jeanne Beker: stories from 27 years of Fashion Television

"Hi and welcome to fashion talks. The podcast observing the world world through the Lens of fashion. I'm your host on a bishop and for many of US Saturdays at six thirty from nineteen eighty five two thousand and twelve were sacred is. That's when the unforgettable synthesizer riffs of emotions obsession announced the opening credits of fashion television hosted by my guest today. The Amazing Ginny Becker. The Brainchild of producer. Jay Levine F.. T. opened the world's is to the fashion industry. And I can't even imagine how how many stories segments you did because by your twentieth anniversary clock like two thousand so holy smokes eventually syndicated one hundred and forty countries around the world by the time it ceased production in two thousand twelve and collective sob river of Mascara flowed around the world. It was most certainly the the end of an era and an era that influenced countless fashion designers and fashion lovers like me alike. Thank you so much for being here. Jean Becker. So welcome Yeah we kind of created this monster and I don't know I don't know if it was a good thing at the end of the day right. Well my understanding is the concept of fashion. Television was to approach designers the way that musicians were often approach to kind of get the story behind the people who were behind the album. Awesome so you were working with the new music that came from that background I was entertainment reporter even leading up to that but in nineteen seventy nine we started started doing this groundbreaking show called the new music this pre MTV nobody was really putting rockstars on TV. In that way. You know really going into their hotel groom's into the studio with them and backstage and riding on the tour buses and Jd Robertson. I now John Roberts. He's very serious. We got got the chance to do this. Amazing show. Thanks to the brilliant John Martin who started it and that was flying by the seat of our pants. Because we didn't really know what we were doing and dealing with those egos and those icons and just the whole vibe of the scene was so smash grab in your face was rock and roll. What a perfect training ground for? What I was about to do six years later was six years? That's right because we started seventy nine nine hundred eighty five. We're also was there to go. I thought you know by interview Rod Stewart wants more. I'M GONNA lose it. It's time to how adding again mind so much but it started doing this music. I should say fashion magazine. Show much the same way that we did the music magazine. That wasn't the original thought for fashion. Television Jay Levine. Brilliant young commercial producer. You're at city TV at the time. Wanted to do fashion video. Show where he'd have some gorgeous hot model introducing the latest his fashion videos because the industry thought that maybe fashion videos could do for the fashion industry. What music videos did for the music industry so a few designers news? We're producing these little fashion videos at the time. Well An F. T. started as an hour long show before its ground specials not realizing realizing that it was gonna go into a weekly half hour series. What did you think when I was at Moses who approached you said hey misty music you're gonna be on God God? I Love Moses number two bids but he never approached me to do the show at all. I basically banged down. The doors of the management tags flirts found out that they were thinking of doing a show about fashion. I said Hey pick me. I paid my dues in the trenches. I really love fashion. They grew up. I grew up in the sixties. Like all my chicks who absolutely could never get enough of fashion and I said you gotTa let me do this show and they had gotta lobby filled with aspiring video fashion video chicks. They're like when I walked in that day. I'll never forget it. I thought what is going on here. And they're all these models would heard this open casting call and I just marched right up stairs to the station manager's office and you know Oh you gotTa let me do this show boat fashion. Forget about those models. You know you need someone who really knows how to interview the designers and they don't want talking heads. We don't want interviews with designers. Here's we just want it to be sexy and a lot of movement and I said okay. Whatever let's just please give me a chance? And they did for some reason. Can you paint us a bit. The landscape was like for fashion media. Then because it was very print heavy esoteric and where hemlines and. What's the Pan tone and it was almost kind kind of intimidating really and unless you really followed the fashion world a lot of the fashion commentary would read in? The newspaper. Didn't really make sense. I mean the Toronto Star is to have the women's section and they had fashioned columns in there maybe talking about the silhouettes and the cuts in the hemlines. And that kind of thing. It wasn't isn't covered in a pop kind of way at that. Fashion had become such a vital part of our popular culture and nobody was really talking about in a fun. Upbeat user friendly way so unless you were a real follower of fashion. You're almost intimidated to go up. And when you pick up a copy of the magazine and read about it so this show enabled us to bring fashion right into people's homes on a weekly basis. We could bring bring them up to date on what was happening but we weren't covering it as fashion journalist. Because as I say I was an entertainment reporter and I was more into the personality analogy than the vibe of the scene. The big crazy sexy visuals of a runway. Of course we're magical because that to me is great theater and I had also come from a background in theatre really appreciated in that way so I would hope to think that in a sense. We help democratize his fashion for people I think so I mean I remember being so excited just seeing this whole new world open up before is like we. Can we all kind of think knew about fashion. That here was behind the scenes in the Italian as scrappy by very MTV style. How big was your crew like it was was it? You and a cameraman. Was it the cameraman. I mean in later years when the TV took over we would centerfield producers sometimes but most of the time it was me and a cameraman that was at and it was great because we used to working that way at City TV with these one man bands. You you didn't really need anything else. I mean the raw ness of it was just so healing so greedy and and gave you such an intimate feels. Eli Up close and personal. We used to see the CDC crews come along with them they had an audio guy and they had a producer and the ad that someone running assigning things and getting everything we were just so rough and ready and because of that we could gain much easier access. Because we're only the two of us to worry about me and the cameraman. I mean later seasons I started carrying around little high eight camera so we could get a gritty. You're kind of feel and I would go. Oh right into the pit with the rest of Tigers that I could get right into people's faces that I could run around to places where they wouldn't even lower camera and get stuff and we used to show that stuff tough sometimes in black and white and it was wonderful. We didn't care about the quality of the picture or the sound as much as some some of our other professional counterparts did and I think that in a sense it was almost what led up to what we're seeing now on social media that that kind of do it yourself self greediness. There is a world circle there of F. T. utilizing the innovations of digital technology what was available to create this really exciting being brought content. What was the reaction like in the industry? When he came on the scene the industry with a capital by early early like us first of all what who who was I g backers check that came for the world of rock and roll? That didn't really have a proper footing in fashion. According to share a lot of the snooty fashion east is out there. So they also didn't understand the medium Moore didn't take to the media or didn't really approve of the medium and there's always been a lot of snobbery about television anyway back in the day as as we were saying. Fashion was the kind of thing that was really carried in the print medium that was where it was analyzed. That's where the heavy eh conversations about fashion took place. It was all about the printed page. The magazines sold those ads. They could bring you the latest and the greatest newspapers papers as well covered fashion but television. It was like you know it was almost like they made me feel anyway. As though I was not worthy the medium was not worthy of covering. I thought it's a no brainer to put fashion on TV. It's about movement. It's about visuals. Why why wouldn't you know to this day? I don't think a lot of people in the industry. You know some of the younger people for some people that grew up with a show absolutely lapped it up but there were others that were in there before we got in there. I don't think appreciated the kind of coverage coverage we brought to fashion because we made it kind of common and in some elitist fashion circles. That's not what they wanted they wanted the exclusivity of the of the industry to sort of remain Tamdan. You guys were busting down the door absolutely. There's so many designers that it came of age or had their debuts during the time of fashion television. I'm thinking of McQueen Ford Karen Galliano. Yeah Komodo weighing McCarthy Victory Ralph so many globally recognized names that we all know and love. What are some of your most memorable all interview are there? I mean I know that's kind of asking you to choose your favorite child right. It's really it's really hard and I can't even think of interviews because for the most part I I was interviewing a lot of these people on seasonal basis so time and time to knowing God's really know them and feel like they were kind of friends ends in a way a some of them might even go out to dinner with or you know the bill blass invited me to his apartment for T- you know like wow there's some some cool stuff that went on but I would say of the purse personalities that I interviewed over the years. McQueen obviously is right up there. What at amazingly sensitive artist? And you can't say that about every designer certainly not all designers artists. I believe some some are some are artists and they don't see themselves as artists but many incredible artistic and soul and spirit and and certainly McQueen did. He was a great poet and a very sensitive beautiful person and I really had a special no connection with them. I felt his nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine show when it ends with Shalom Harlow and like the performance art moment with the robot lot spray painting like to be present for those sorts of moment. I just I get shivers thinking about tell you you know I used to hear people say a show so beautiful I cried and I thought what a bunch of BS GonNa cry and a fashion show. I actually shed a few tears at that. Moment and McQueen admitted needed that himself to watching it from backstage area that he he shed a tear at that moment. That was an extraordinary moment. That was that was the moment that you really live for. So that was great. I mean they were a lot of other really great moments that I had in terms of interviewing these people Karl Lagerfeld all the glade Creek Karl Lagerfeld in it. So pains me to say that. Because I can't believe he's gone. Never the minute Karl Lagerfeld leaves this Earth. I'm going to get out of the fashion gene business because he was my absolute mentor inspiration. A such a renaissance man such such an inspiration because he was always about looking forward was an early adopter of fashion television. He kind of on board from the beginning a lot of these European designers especially You know before they even started watching it thought. Oh the more attention that you can grab the Merrier and they realized what a brilliant marketing tool a show of this nature could be the and they and that was what was so wonderful about it. You have to understand that we were the only crew backstage at a lot of those shows in the early days once in a while Elsa Klenge style on CNN they would be at shows too because they started their show about a year to before we started ours. And even Tim Kim Blank's and fashion file didn't come into things till about three years. After we started our show so we the only crew backstage these fashion Ashen shows so we had the undivided attention of the designers and the PR people were against all but getting as much exposure as possible so they were very welcoming Extraordinary the the people that I met in those early days of their career like the Tom Fords for example he was just so wonderful and he was just obviously such a hip guy really got the importance of the medium. Because he's a filmmaker himself. You know very much into the visuals. He was so always so so personal with me. I felt very open and willing to share and it was a wonderful wonderful a time to be able to get up close and personal with so many of these great and Marc Jacobs to worry jake interviewed on a fire. Escape was even mark. Jacobs came to Toronto in the very early days of fashion television. Maybe round nine hundred eighty six and he was having his clothing manufactured by at and of course the former fashion director Holt renfrew will. Her husband had a company called Ellie morale I believe and they used to manufacture wing clerks dresses and some how he discovered this. Marc Jacobs starting this little line that was mostly like sweaters and stuff and they were manufacturing at Toronto and he came to Toronto and I interviewed him at some schlepping. Little factory stays on the outskirts of town and he was as kid with haired food down to his elbows and he was. Just you know feisty. Young Guy who really had an idea of how modern women should be dressing and and I just fell in love with them because he was just so so candidate and personal real and you now to think the incredible heights to which he rose and you know all the peaks and valleys as of his career really to see him through that what a privilege it was. Well and I think of his collection for Perry Ellis Nineteen Ninety-three grunge collection like how how forward thinking that I mean you got to see success in its ebbs and flows at a lot of these designers and how he got so raked over the coals for that they remember that fire escape interview that you're talking about. He was standing on his fire escape. Right after he got fired from Perry Ellis Watch before Louis had come to him and he was saying well Robert Duffy who was his partner at the time. Business Partner we're just GONNA keep it really small. We're just GonNa do our small little. Marc Jacobs businesses. That's all we care about. We're never GONNA get carried away with any any of that big stuff and all that hype fashion and then a few seasons later they're designing for the LVMH. That's one thing about fashion. It is the most hypocritical thing it is it is so enigmatic. It's a total contradiction season in season. Out The things that you see all the people. Let's say never all of a sudden they come around I never stayed well. And there's such an unguarded net. I was watching your interview with Anna Wintour when she first started at American vogue. And I mean who knew that she would still be at the helm today. Who knew the influence you would have in? There was such a relaxed candor between the two view. Well I do remember the very first time I met Anna Winter. She had just come over from the the UK to Head Up House and Garden magazine and she was at the library. They were having big. Oh I guess A. CFDA awards were happening at the library in New York and someone introducer this new editor from the UK that was heading gardening and it was so taken with what she was wearing. Orange wearing those gorgeous frock. It was a beaded frock. And I said well who designed your froggy just went. It's vintage Jeffrey. Being and that was like the coolest first of all Geoffrey Beene is like the coolest designer in my mind of all time. Really I mean the most forward thinking brilliant gentleman of designer but the fact that she. He's wearing vintage really back. It was still like the the late eighty S. I mean phenomenal. That she rose rose to the level to which she's risen and brilliant woman become such an icon such a president such a force and and for better or worse so influential. Maybe some feel too influential. I mean I sort of worry about the designers who she hasn't really made the time for because there are some who do feel slighted because she's never come to one of their shows and like. Oh how can that be. You know. I'm thinking of a uh the Great Ralph Rucci. You're familiar with his work but truly one of the best designers not only in America but in the world and did you know she has never for some reason graced is show with her presence. I don't understand why so. What her agenda is I don't know but obviously she's she's brilliant brilliant and she's great at what she does and and it's wonderful for a woman to see another woman still hanging in there at that age? It's a lot of ageism in this fashion business. Things are based in fashion is it. Oh yeah to see WHO's You know she's she's like almost seventy or maybe ish kind of good for her. She looks amazing. She's up there well. The eighties is often referred or two as the decade of the designer. and I wonder sometimes if it's if the forty are the golden age of Hollywood then. I wonder if the eighties is the Golden Gordon Age of fashion in so many ways because so much of what we take for granted as director. And how and what's influenced started started. Then and there's such a cohort that is still very much a presence today. Eighties was really when the designers started becoming personalities celebrities as they in the old days they were mostly in the back rooms and certainly there were some great legendary designers that we all were inspired by him. Tom However designers as rockstars. Let's say as designers started hanging out with rockstars Madonna started hanging out with Joe Hogue. OJ And for Saatchi. Jay was hanging out with Elton John. And all of a sudden there is a synergy between the music and the fashion scene and media of course was exploding on things like MTV beauty tv so of course designers really started to become these great iconic celebrities and and and bottles to win the Super Bowl freedom. Ninety nine verse CI show. It was George Michael's connick video obviously and Linda Naomi Cindy Christy taint and then Carleen. Alec I mean you saw the role of the model become a Rockstar. Just like the diner in the mall sort of got too big for their bridges and nobody felt like paying me exorbitant fees that they were charging and then people realize it should be really eh about the close not about the model so much us then that change. I mean we still have the Kylie Jenner's Great Rica gerbers great models around that are superstars in their own right but not the way it was. I mean those gals really took it to a place that was incredible and I it will be no more. I don't WanNa get too nostalgic but you can't help it. Those were really great days when I started to realize the possibilities. The Great Fashion Photographers of the era. Of course there are still great creative people around doing fashion photography and and obviously designing modeling. But not like you know those originals. Pretty pretty pure. I loved a quote that the young young Tabby Graviton said where she was talking about how she was thirteen when she started coming up top hobby and she said I don't care if I sit in the fourth row next x season. It's all about the close but they gave me disabling sitting in the front row. Exactly you know she was a phenomenon very clever for a young woman now. I really loved Hobby Lot but I'll never forget the day that she came to to the Chanel show. It was her first season covering the shows in Paris. Heard about this kid. That was out of the southern new belong of Ohio. Hi or something. She was do writing these little blogs and they invited her to Paris and everyone was buzzing about the next big thing you know the bloggers coming and that she sat there in this outrageous Stephen Jones of design for her. It was like this big blow. That looked like it was made a paper or something and she was of course sitting in in front of me and it was like okay and I realized you know what that was the moment fat and please. I didn't begrudge. I thought it was great. I thought it was okay. Here's the next big thing. Whatever fashion the way I knew it was over that that was that was like the beginning at the end for sure and I remember even afterwards and I introduced her to car a log? She was there with her. Dad was lovely guy and I was standing there and she came over and I introduced Carl to her. And Carl is not always about the new in the next and youth and generally love loves young people and Carl was very gracious to me. Of course I even have a piece of tape tape calling. It wasn't piece of tape at the time of digital recording exists. Somewhere of Carl. Carl I entirely together and I really felt it was kind of passing the torch and then the next season he's into really drive me crazy. My beloved producer. Jay Levine decided that he would have tovey guest reporter covering the New York shows news and I will never forget the day that I had to literally pass the torch to Tommy and there. It was with this microphone that I had worked like the dicken's to to really symbolize all the fighting that I had done to all the elbowing way into places and all the relentless that tenacity that it required to hang in there to hang in the trenches covering fashion in that way is not an easy business it's a jungle survival of the fittest. And there I was with my beloved of Fashion Television Microphone Without Mike Flash that I've worked so hard to carry for all those years and I passed it over to the and I said okay go for it. Ci went off and covered some of the shows that I I wished I could have been covering that season but you know it was like okay. That's it you know time to realize what's happening you know. This whole new wave was coming into into the fray and surely a few years later it showed that we were becoming irrelevant covering fashion on television. That way big deal. Everyone could be there in the front row now with their cameras rolling on their phone and bringing it all to people instantaneously and you know it was it was just this. Big Changes. Big shifted happened. What kind of tenacity did you need to muster like? Do you remember some moments where you were literally like busting down doors pushing donald out of the way as crying and having meltdowns and yes yes yes yes yes I mean it was very inhumane humane kind of business to some degree. There was a lot of pleading and begging and you arrive at your hotel in Paris. Every a season I talked about Paris Paris to me is like the epitome of it all and I always will be and it certainly was back in the day. And there'd be this big stack of invitations and you go okay goody and you go through and see who was who was sacked you wear and what shows you have the invitation to and isn't that great and that even though you had been on the phone and your producers users of bill and phone for weeks leading up to this trying to make sure that you were going to be on the list. Sometimes you weren't on the list of the invitation hadn't arrived and we're still taper. Invitations came in the mail. Li Oh yeah and I think they still do the beautiful paper invitations go there like they were to die board but if for example if you were expecting an invitation to the goce show or the Galileo show and it wasn't there then you had to get on on the phone with the PR people in the show would be days just a couple of days away and it was like and they would say no. No no you're not on the list this season. What do you mean? We're not unless as uncover your show religiously belly too bad as a small venue no room it was like I'm sorry no I will not accept no for an answer and you would still show up at the venue with your crew and plead and beg and these fashion. Pr People are terrible. The worst people in World Sewri all these great fashion. Pr Our agencies out there. But they were. They were the gatekeepers. The designers were lovely. The designers were so nice and the people running the studios in the right hand people. The designers were so nice but the PR people were the ones that were hired to make gender were ruthless. They were terrible. It was awful awful it was really want to go down. That baby paid dues. What can I tell you anyone? That thought like I only get teeny Becker Wrangler her job. I'd say honey. Get Your own job. This is not an easy business. And if you think for one second that any step de is easy you go get your checks because it seems so glamorous right talking to these wonderful designers look lamb is she. They gotta say though you know really we did. Try to show the business warts and all I mean. There were many times when I got rejected or I tried to get get into a place and they shut down the door. We'd get snubbed. Her and we did always keep the camera rolling in true fashion television city. TV style. That was what it was so great about the show. We wanted to show the scene warts and all and you know. I try not to make it look. Glamorous I mean like I never had a a slick liberties Gals on TV today. Bless them all they've got stylistic got the hair the makeup people they've got. I did not have any thank God. I had had the Canadian designers to wear. Because that's all I ever wore religiously head to foot. All I ever wore was Canadian. I thought it was almost a sin Dan if I showed up in something. That wasn't Canadian because I thought this is kind of all I have. My identity is a Canadian. I make people didn't even realize that we were from Canada anyway because because it just like really. You're from Canada. Where's that eight to say? Well in Canadian designers were coming into their own. They're they're weighing clarks and Brian. Bailey's and dying David take on this side of the pond. The in the in Europe no designers had really broken through very much lovely Maria San Pierre Air. I remember doing a show in Paris a couple of times a few designers made their way over towards the end of our our run even credit constantino eighteen. You know the boys I I actually showed them around terrorists. The first time they went and that was great but for the most part no one had heard of Canadian designers. Really really really didn't and that was sad so I thought that was my duty as a proud Canadian to promote them over there so at least had great wardrobes to work because I wear Canadian in designer clothing and they get a credit at the end of the show but other than that. I didn't have a person that didn't have a makeup person. I didn't have anybody telling me what to wear. You're how to dress and sometimes we never even had we had to hail cabs and it could be like raining and try to get a cab to pick us up with with all our gear ear. The Glamour Yeah it was not glamorous was their camaraderie between the designers. Like when you'd be backstage in one show would be ending and people. We're getting ready for another. was there a community between two. It was very rare that you would see A. I mean you did see some designers showing support to other other designers showing up at other designers show but not usually not usually for the most part it designers kept to their own shows and and their own unless they were really close personal friends and they would show up but rarely I remember the brilliant millionth retrospective eve salary of presented before he He retired before he died. It was just so incredible. There were many. Many designers liners that job just wanting to pay reverence. But no I mean you know having a show it's like the spotlight is on that particular designer and no one would wanna really steal steal the limelight. So Alexander McQueen said that fashion is personality sexuality and showing people who you are what. What do you think fashion is boy? Fashion has so many things I think at the end of the day. Fashion is story person's telling your personal story. It's hearing about other personal stories and it really is. It's the armor with which we move through the world to a large degree. Fashion works on so many different levels holds though and again what is fashioned. What is style and fashion? Seems to be quite common these days. Lauren Hutton one said to fashion is what you're offered style is what you choose and I thought yes in that today more than ever has become so important personal style Alan. You know. We're we're just presented with a whack stuff. There's too much too much fashion out there. I don't WanNa bite the hand that feeds me but there's much too much too much too much. I mean you go into some of these shops and I feel like weeping at the amount of stuff that's on the racks and what's going to happen with all this stuff and who's who's going to wear it and what we live in such an age of excess it just coming out of so fast and furious and then you know what I joked earlier like a week created some kind of monster with fashion television. We did all the kids that grew up on our show and wanted to become fashion designers. And like okay but when he fashion designers do we really need in the world old. I think an interesting discussion between the difference between fashion designer and a retailer as we have fast fashion retailers pump out. You know something crazy like five hundred new articles a week versus designers are focusing on the craft and a vision and honing a voice. Yeah but at the the end of day. Everyone has to sell staffer. They can't pay the rent. You know so gotta likes on however altruistic you WanNa be in however pure and you want to just create create for the sake of creating. I mean even the greatest artists you have got to come out of the studio sometimes and sell something or they're going to start going to have to resort to something else yes so fashion designers really at the best of times they they would like their stuff to be out there on the backs of people people they want they want to see it out there they wanna give people close that they can wear that they can move through life with it can hopefully make their lives a bit easier and so how are they going to get it to the consumer and so the retailer plays such an important role these days happily people can retail their own stuff now on their all websites and isn't that wonderful but you've got to really be able to wear two different hats at the same time to be successful in this business today as a as a fashion lover I mean you you and fashion television influenced designers models fashion. Pr's and just people who love clothes in general so thank you so much for that. I have one last question. Do you know how obsession became the theme song fashioned very new wave of the moment. Lucky them dame obsession at the time you know Calvin

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Monday 19 November

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Monday 19 November

"You're listening to the briefing. First broadcast on the nineteenth of November two thousand eighteen on monocle twenty four. Hello and welcome to the briefing coming to you live from studio. One hair at Matori house in London. I'm Tom Edwards? Coming up today. Reports suggests that Saudi Arabia could be preparing to implement a ceasefire in Yemen. What would it mean for the rest of the region? We'll have the latest as pro democracy. Campaigners go on trial in Hong Kong on trumped up charges. And then a little later on today's program, forty six square miles of parking in the core area of metropolitan, Los Angeles, which is a New Yorker inevitably. I think of as two times the size of Manhattan should cities abandon their car parks. And we'll ask whether our fashion designers have run out of ideas. All that ahead here on the briefing with me 'til match words. Yemen's rebels. Halting strikes on the Saudi led military coalition. It comes as the United Nations is attempting to revive talks to end the three-year war, which has caused arguably the world's worst humanitarian crisis in Craig is a journalist. He's lived and worked in Yemen for a number of years, and she joins us on the line. Now, I'm good afternoon to you. I own an tell us about today's developments should is there any calls here in your eyes for even cautious optimism. Good afternoon. I think the reas- as it's one of several things that have happened relatively short space. Weeks. I mean, what's happens day is Mohammed Al he has made. Well, it's not even a statement. Really? It was Twitter. Messages originally on his Twitter feed calling for the stopping of ballistic missiles or rockets is he referred to them and in order to establish a ceasefire which is a significant move, even though it is Anita tweets and not from the group's actually abdel-malik healthy who would normally make these kind of things in in probably a TV presentation or statement. But I think this is crucial because this is what the US had previously stipulated at the end of October this ceasefire within thirty days and the time line for that wall's at the he would have to stop firing ballistic missiles into the into Saudi Arabia before the Saudis would then stop has strikes. So this would indicate that the who are prepared to do that, which is is significant if we're going to reach the point of a of. Assessed at Tennessee. Even if it's not a full on ceasefire. We've been talking about this conflict, certainly since what the I guess the latter part of twenty fifteen once it was already well said a theme that we kept regrettably coming back to idea that it was too complex issue. And there are too many stakeholders, and though too many proxy interests involved to get to a point where we could have a meaningful dialogue. But I sense from what you say with all the caveats already that you've explained that this. This could move us in that direction. If that is the case something more, fundamental change. Do we need to look at US Saudi relations, for example? Yes, that's the complete changing environment that we're now looking at and that has what has changed things in Yemen over the last few weeks with the killing of Jamal kashogi. This has put into national focus and attention. I'm pressure on Saudi Arabia. It's has meant that the US and the UK have print putting pressure on Saudi Arabia and the war in Yemen in a way that they hadn't done before in the last three and a half years since his conflict that's been going on. And so it's taken the death of. Of of Jamal kashogi in in this most terrible way. It's Donald away. He was murdered in order for the international community, particularly the US and the UK to really sort of stand up society Arabia and Putin real pressure on them. And that's what we've been seeing in the last three weeks. We've got the Bush embassador to the UN now space to be proposing new draft resolution to the UN Security Council today. Karen Perez in relation to Yemen. We've got the UN special envoy obviously who still carrying on with his shuttle diplomacy, but that seems to be having more of an impact now because that's pressure is being brought to bear by the US and the UK. So yes, all of those those things coming together means this could be a really crucial Leonard Yemeni. Even if it is something as small as assess station of possibilities. It's still got to be a little bit of optimism. I think can what other otherwise very depressing situation on the ground. Indeed in the bleakness of the picture, we shouldn't gloss over. And again we've spoken before. About the risk the threat of disease, the lack of supplies getting through to people and all the rest of it to that point. You mentioned the UN special envoy there, and narrow plans we understand a foot to try and have the UN taking some sort of control of parts of certain, you know, the the city's port in her data, which could facilitate more delivery supplies, getting in does does the UN have the requisite goodwill, and sort of logistical heft to actually even do something like that in your view Iona. They did have an disco capability. They have done it before and steps in in places like Somalia, but again, it is about the good will. And I think a few months ago that he would have been reluctant to accept that. And indeed even a year ago when there was whisperings about this kind of idea of being the only solution to prevent the Saudi coalition militarily trying to take data was for the UN to take control in the UN. Certainly from what I was hearing was nothing TD about doing NASA two year ago. But again, the situation has changed on. There is pressure being brought to bear on the who sees a as well as Saturday Arabia book because of the loss activities at the last three weeks and the UN now we have a new special envoy since March has taken up this idea of of perhaps controlling the porta data. Which would then keep both sides happy. If you like both aside, the and you a coalition and the who th-this in order to ta- deconflict that area and the port still operating so can get food into the millions of people who are starving. I and in order to prevent this this now, you know, the situation of near famine in Yemen at the moment, I I'm prevent the kind of full outbreak of conflicts across the city of data as well. It was good to hear from me. Thanks for your time. That was Iona Craig joining us hair on the briefing. Let's take a look at some of the big business stories of the day next up on the program. Joined by Sebastian Selleck from Bloomberg often ti- Sebastian that start with intriguing reports Japanese media reporting the arrest of the Nissen chairman Carlos Goan. This is a really intriguing story. Tell us a bit more. It is a very fast moving one as well. We've condensed it down here. It is they've uncovered serious acts of misconduct breaching Japanese financial trading loss or Nissan confirming that going under reported his income over the course of many years chur news out in Japan saying that he's done this by some five billion yen over five years, that's forty four million dollars. And so Nissan over the last few months has been conducting an internal investment investigation. They had a whistle blower a tip off not just into going, but also into Nissan's direct to Greg Kelly, and this are now seeking the removal of both of from the board. That's hit Renner stock because grown is also the CEO Reynaud that's currently trading here in Europe is down by. The lowest in almost four years, but it comes at a time when by renting and this and nica and more than ever the auto industry. Going through jarring changes you've got new emissions regulations and metric cars tech giant's investing in autonomous driving. So lots of new technologies that these comic is really do need to be at the forefront of if they want to ensure their survival Knepper spiracy in the next few years, and it's not just Reynaud in this town is Mitsubishi as well. Because this was part of tripartite strategy Goan was the chairman of Mitsubishi or stain is rather. And this is this three way alliance that was intended to developing and purchasing costs for all the companies and allow them all to go forward. So there was some speculation that that strategy could fall apart one's gone goes. And the other issue here is gone status in Japan. He really was an icon. He was credited for saving the sound from bankruptcy when he came in to see oh back in ninety nine a return to profitability. He was so popular that the story of his his saving has been turned into a. Anger Japanese comic book, and that was the best seller in the country. So it was a very well known figure over there as well. Yeah. You know, you're doing something ROY while you would have thought if you're being made into manga. Yeah. He's a real tight and in the in the business so question big questions about what will happen. If is the end of the era one we'll have to keep an eye on Sebastian. Let me ask you a little bit s- about some telecoms smart for smartphone maker chummy gross loss quarter, despite we constantly hearing about this market ailing being under slight pressure. But some pretty good numbers. Yeah. They are another consideration. Hey, it was the valuation of the company which is ROY up there with the lights of ten cent. If you look me it's big, but it's not as big as ten cents, and it's only been public for a few months now but revenue jumping by forty nine percent better than projected. And of course, as you say, it's that sputtering demand for mobile devices that it's having to contend with an all of its competitors are also having to contend with. It's relying on its presence in emerging markets to offset they moved into India into southeast Asia a few years ago, and then I'll pass two years. So they're showing few signs of succumbing to slow down. The calls got competition from the other heavyweights lots of hallway which is China's biggest smartphone maker. But also smaller ones as well. Not once we've necessarily heard of ever hear of pro in vivo that the very popular in China, do particularly well through commission based sales in in small towns, so plenty of competition, but all facing these same problems, Jeremy that Kerr's Rushdie seems to be offsetting it, and as we see reflected in these numbers, we'll have to wait until Asia opens to see just how well the stock trades off the back of that. Wait, we shall Sebastien. Thank you. As always that. Was Sebastian select joining us here on the briefing. To Hong Kong. Now when nine pro democracy activists have appeared in court to plead not guilty to charges of public nuisance. Professor Steve Chang is the director of China Institute. It's so ass university of London and he joins us now. Steve good to speak with you. Tell us about these public nuisance charges and introduction to the program are being rather trumped up charges. That's a fairly safe option. Isn't it? I think that is reasonable way of looking at it talking about something that happened in twenty four tnd and government did not see each to raise issues with them for both three years and then raise issues in twenty seventeen and contra charges is the KOMO suspi ridiculous incitements to incite what does that mean? Well to that point. Then Steve what does it mean? Let's dig a little deeper, and I guess there are people who will recall the sort of Brel movement, and they'll understand the importance of gestures in this space. But I guess the substance may be more about. Looking at judicial independence, isn't it? In Hong Kong. Of course, an looking at that and comparing it to the fluence that Beijing still still willed what if anything did you will learn about that that status that independent status normally independent, at least, I think we will have to wait and see how court proceed with decay. What we have now is the government in Hong Kong apparently acting under pressure from Chinese government and bring this case to the court. The court can still rule in a way that is not necessarily in favor of the government, which I think we're having the right way to proceed. But we don't really know at this moment. How cop is premature to say that to show independence is over. And the courts is already now in an instrument of the state. The let's look it's interesting few reflect on some remarks about this whole proceedings from the likes Amnesty International who I guess predictably very outspoken about it. They talk about how politically motivated cases. They basically suggests that this is a simple, it's an attack on free speech. It's an attack on peaceful assembly. I wonder when you talk to people whether they're in call or on the Chinese mainland wh- is that is that is that a view that you often hear expressed. Well, it's certainly a view that is widely shared in Hong Kong. And I think he had the details. Dust, really matter the people who are being charged when not really in any real sense leaders of the emperor movement, the to- description of them Barra movement is misleading because there was no movement there wash an organized occupy central movement and the three senior people being charged among. Denied would that of the occupy is only when the police use excessive forced in September twenty four teen? Then there was a sudden massive also to people in Hong Kong to protests and debt became the unbearable hotels and now being charged for. Activities that was happened. As a result of police action one at their own organize activities. That's what gets a bit with. Well, let me just ask about sort of more recent rallies and protests because we small group people who'd paid outside the courthouse before the trial began to to vent their displeasure and amongst things that they were chanting Steve was things like we want real elections, and this is a bit of an old chestnut. But we've discussed before what chance that pro democracy. Activists lobbyists will get something like an election. They would deem to be free of influence from Beijing is a bit of a pipe dream at the moment. I'm afraid that is a bit of a tight dream what the activists in Hong Kong warned is normal genuine direct election for the chief executive in Hong Kong, what the communist party of China, and definitely Chinese Gettman want is that you can have free and open erections us long as the result is predetermined and pre approved by Chinese government. Then you can have it and two are not compatible. Indeed stave great to hear from you as ever that was our friend. Steve sang joining us on the briefing, Monaco, twenty four and here is what else is making news today. Donald Trump said he would not intervene if his acting US attorney general move to tail special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election. Matthew Whitaker took over supervision of the mullahs investigation. Earlier this month. Australia's. Fairfax has been given the green light from its shareholders to merge with the TV network nine entertainment. Fairfax shareholders gave overwhelming support for the multi-billion-dollar merger. The deal is possible off to Australia relaxed its media ownership laws last year. And today's Monaco minutes reports on Germany's plan to invest around three billion euros in artificial intelligence. The new digital strategy would involve increasing access to high-speed internet educating citizens about digitization and implementing a are in workplaces across the country. Those are some of the stories we're following this hour own monocle twenty four. Sixteen minutes here in London. Now, what could big cities look like if they got rid of their car park spaces at ground level. Well, that's a fancy project at the global architecture. Practice would Spag it explored for LA commotion a conference about the future of mobility. That's been running in Los Angeles. They're architects James Saunders spoke to Monaco's editor, Andrew talk. My name is James Sanders. I'm the global design chair of woods bag it, and I'm an architect and writer in New York City. Tell us how much parking space there is in the city. It's kind of astonishing as part of this study, which was carried out by woods bag it. They did a map of every surface parking lot in Los Angeles, metropolitan area of Los Angeles over five thousand square feet on grade. So nothing below and nothing about and the came up with something like forty six square miles of parking in the core area of metropolitan, Los Angeles, which. As a New Yorker inevitably. I think of as two times the size of Manhattan doing this to begin to control the reality that we heard today from Makati the actually the trying to move towards a public transport world. But there's also this interesting rule that stood in places that you have to have two places for cause for every apartment you build how how far bags legislation that goes not surprisingly to about the time of World War Two when the city had really made it sort of decisive move toward the private automobile. And they thought well, we're going to have all these private Ottoman bills. We don't want them parking on the street. We're going to mandate that developers. And builders anyone building a house or an apartment house has to provide two spaces per unit because you need a car to get around Los Angeles. Now that of course, became a self-fulfilling prophecy because once you did have the spaces it just became too, easy to have a car and plans for public transit systems stalled and the old streetcar system fell apart. But there's been a row. Radical change in the last ten years fifteen years now in the last few years, the low on the fifteen years is that a massive mass transit system is being built here the largest in the United States since New York City finished it system around nineteen forty extrordinary and the second of courses everything at this conference that we're discussing the mobility revolution of Uber and lift and east gooders end e bikes and Thomas vehicles around the the corner all of which are changing the way people get around, Los Angeles. So the question becomes what to do about those old nineteen forties era parking regulations and the spaces that they free up. So what is your vision 'bout how the city could transform if it began to take on those pieces of of land and incorporate them for other uses well, it's two things. One is taking that extraordinary inventory that already exists that Forty-six square miles, which is doing nothing really for the city right now and reimagining what could happen there. And we did this study second part of the study was. Sort of to look at what would be the development scenarios. And they're those numbers are pretty amazing you develop half of those bases at the prevailing densities of the surroundings. No. They're not talking about skyscrapers everywhere, and you could house something like three quarters of a million people. And if you went to full build out, it would be a million and a half people knew Los Angelenos who could be fitted in here. So that's one part of the story. The other part is how would new development look if you didn't have to have that ruinous two spaces per unit. And so we took three to use the architects word typologies three classic. Los Angeles scenarios different parts of the city, different kinds of sites. And we did three let's say provocations of how those could be developed with all the benefits he would get. If the space does not have to be given over to parking and doing those an appetite hit to pick up on that conversation is great that you do this work, and you'll known for our does that begin to filter into the public debates and votes disgusting city halls well. Do think, and we were sort of chat charging, I should make this clear that this really is a project woods bag, which has extraordinary resources both on the design and and data side that I would myself never be to do. They've led the effort, but we were charged precisely by John resent the head of this conference with the mission of saying how what would be actionable about this. How would you translate this into policy and toward that end? We're doing a special workshop this evening, where we're inviting really great cross section of people to say, how would this, you know, turn into law. I would add that in Los Angeles. They've had some signals success already a transformation of the city is almost everyone knows now is downtown Los Angeles that was only made possible because the owners of the big beautiful old commercial office buildings when you see all the nineteen twenties movies were ready to turn them into apartments. But could not do so inevitably if they had to make two spaces per unit where were they going to put the parking garages? The. The city's zero that requirement out and the result has been fourteen thousand new units of residential housing in downtown Los Angeles and a new downtown they're now going to extend it to new construction as well. So they've seen what this idea can do. And it's already a dream. It's really happening James Sundays of woods Spag at they're talking to Monaco's Andrew tuck, and you can hear the full report from an a commotion on the other Thursday, nineteen hundred London time hair on Monaco, twenty four. This is the briefing. Bill Lucci has joined the hair in studio. One good off name Bill. Hi, tom. He's reviewing the newspapers. And we are keeping things. Stateside if we're gonna sell in Los Angeles from whence, we just heard oven is up for discussion or something else. That's your I Bill. Obviously that'll Saturday's Times it's kind of leading on the wildfires that were taking place for kind of ripping it apart. Really, the headline is quite interesting has lost mountain town hopes, it's tragedy, isn't overlooked. So it's this tiny town called concord, and there's any seven hundred people that live there as you can see on a map pairs, very small. It's very very close to paradise as paradise there conquer there. And it's a story about the people who live there, obviously, not getting attention possibly the help that they need everything that was destroyed apart from the shop, which is quite good on the school to how they manage to save those I like about this. And what I'd like about at times what it's done is is concentrating on these people. It's concentrates getting their story out there giving them the coverage rather than talking about the moronic comments by President Donald Trump. I think that's a good thing. Old fashioned journalism getting into the field funding some human stories that speaks volumes. Not it's very complex actually for to cover stories like this and find news angles, so many different sensitivities as sudden complex teases still people unaccounted for and so on, but you know, a good old fashioned pace of human interest is still incredibly powerful, and it goes through. I mean can recommend reading the article lists all the kind of characters in the town because obviously they have close knit community. So there's a guy called hillbilly Trevor to separate him from the other guy called Trevor there's a guy called Billy the chicken because he's got so many chickens could be on it Bill. Could be on it. And it's just really nice, and like humanizing here, you know, have seen what's been happening at awful. But to see all of these names, and, you know, the pitches of people it's kind of really like the scale of Bill to realize, you know, shop school and that that rebuilding from grand office. Donna Shing we crossing the country. I believe to the Washington Post next. Yes. An a story that's kind of caught my eye this morning. Bloomberg gives a record one point eight billion to Kansas is Michael Bloomberg. The former New York man has given almost two billion dollars to Johns Hopkins University to support a financial aids at his old university and make it said missions process forever need blind. This is the largest private donation thought to be the largest private donation to higher education institution. An article says, it's mucking landmarks a growing national movement to make elite universe. He's more accessible to students from low and middle income families. And they're saying, you know this. This is so much money will literally never going to have to worry about whether someone can pay to come ever again. So they're going to kind of make that mission to just make purely based on merit. It's nice to see people like Michael Bloomberg giving money to help people rather than for political gains. Unlike some people in the US, indeed, I mean, he did he did use his wealth to drive his political career at one point. He did good work. And it's extraordinarily officially break breakdown. The meaning of international scale as it takes you back to you coming. Pretty extraordinary even comprehend that much money. Bill time for a single headline from the New York Times a very quick one. This is spoiler alert act. One is brutal brezler self story about theaters in the US which putting up too many signs warning people about what's coming up suggesting that these warnings are actually spoilers says this is going to contain some loud noises, thatch fog and hey scenes of violence. I don't sex situations, adult humor and content. Is there any isn't even worth going to the play? Around the world that Bill newspaper reviews also contain the theatrical folk Bill, thanks for joining us as always that was -bility joining us on the briefing. Finally on today's program. It's partly a surprise that fashion. Trends have a habit of repeating themselves. But do designers place too much emphasis on trying to emulate the Pasig sess of some fashion's biggest names, Monaco's fascin-, Jamie wates joins me now in the studio and Jimmy what's us to take a fresh fresh liquor this. Yeah, there's a few kind of reasons for looking at this. Now, the first is that the Vienna has announced that they holding retrospective of Mary Quant who was the design famous. Introducing the mini skirt in the sixties and seventies and bring about this kind of colorful, and sort of new wave of of liberation for women and the way they dressed in a kind of fun way and in Cape with that they when the ticket sales. It said the expertise on the early next year. But when the cells open held by what they called the revival where they bought some the original models plus young models, wearing some they regional Mary Quant designs starts the first thing. But it's kind of quite. Time because I'm Mark Jacobs recently announced that he is reassuring his famous grunge collection which did for Perry Ellis in when he was designed if Peres Ellis in nineteen Ninety-three and BASI he's gone going back to the same mills. Everything is the same dot collection. Was basically was one of the the collections often the the rise of like Herron shake, and it was like knitted beanies, and it was kind of like striped, suits. And it was very different from the the sort of showed a potted glamour, the AC's, and he was actually fide when he designed a collection for Perry Ellis. And now he's reduction, but it was revolutionary ultimately. And now he's bringing it back. So it's kind of an that's just too. That's two examples very sit of in the past wait, but this soil many, I mean deal has raised raised shoot at saddle bag Prada's reshoot summits archive prints, and it's re- reinvigorated at sports. I mean, there's so many examples from across the industry old fashioned looking back to the archives. And I mean, it's something it's great kind of power dogs at the center of fashion. Not always, you know, celebration and cutting edge trends, but also has this obsession with nostalgia. And looking looking to the poss. But I think that's something about just people have an obsession skew about because I if we talking about fashion revivalism, ooh, broadly. I wonder whether there's a greater ease with which people can look back to say Mary Quant because that seems I mean, it's literally longer ago is there sort of a critical amount of time that needs to pass I wonder whether you know is the early nineties just to recent for somebody to reminisce about to have that nostalgia about was. If you go back to my records, fashions what the early sixties. I dunno. It's it seems an acceptably longer. Because because the non fashion is is owed as well. So I think it's such a funny thing because I think I mean, some will will get you buy something new. And when you say, you know, I've heard these comments that sometimes when you'll be like, oh, that's that's retro lava. You know, it's retro. Oh, feel I say not before I love. Then can you legitimately claim to have? We just have to say, look, this is this is the person. I feel I think nineties for me. Also also depends on how much I mean. Sit of the mid noughties when lex early north is is the kind of straightway I'm in St Louis also nineties, but sports wherein highpoints was kind of early north, and that's to going Saif. Don't think would even look that different. If you looked back. I think I think the style of lot of lot of the nineties it needs to look of another time is the time, for example. I could literally just go back out stuff that I still have is that that doesn't count right? I'm I'm grandpa out of it by you, can you can try it. Let's let's say how it goes. It's an I mean, if you spend all their time trolling vintage shops for designs for you. It could be ten ten years. Go four longer. But it is this thing where I want to look new. But then, you know, kind of make sense, I guess you want to celebrate these these icon ick moments. But at what point do you, do, you know, do you need to likes push the search for new things. I tell you go. I think this is a conversation. We'll return to voice guitar from you Monaco's term, you won't ending up. This edition of the briefing, which was produced by Reese James in research by yelling, Gotha and Gabrieli Delli Santi studio manager was Sarah miles. My thanks to them. All we should we back at the same time tomorrow that's noon here in London. But for me the rest of the Monday briefing crew that is good. Bye. Thanks listening.

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Custom Beauty: FCP with Stephanie March & Rebecca Perkins of SheSpoke Makeup

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Custom Beauty: FCP with Stephanie March & Rebecca Perkins of SheSpoke Makeup

"Welcome to full coverage a podcast by Lavas four bt lovers today I am your host, the unprofessional beauty laver, Lindsey, cowl itches saw lovely to talk to you although I have to say before we get started today is GonNa be a shorter than usual episode because Harry isn't with us she is working which is awesome after so long she actually got some work which is brilliant and she's being safe and being wonderful because she is both of those things. And I have a disgusting sinus infection. Don't tell him just say it's going to be a show of the normal episode but really, no, you need to know how things are in the world So I am unwell. But what was important was you got your episode at because we have the most amazing chat to share with you ever. I was lucky enough to talk to Stephanie March and Rebecca Perkins of she spoke now she spoke is a store in New York City, a makeup store away you go and get your makeup dance like dry bar. But for makeup you can also create your own lipstick and create your own color cosmetics. which is super exciting in an audit self as well as being founded on owners of she spoke, Rebecca is a celebrity and film and TV makeup artist. Who is awesome. You can check out her work will link to her socials below and Stephanie March. You might recognize her name because Stephanie Played Too excited played. Alexander. CABOT. On Lauren O. Dress for you you probably already know this if you follow me online at all but Lauren view is one of my all time favorite TV programs I'm absolutely obsessively it so much and Stephanie was such a delight torture was very giddy. There was some fan girling it. was nearly very awkward, but I think I managed to hold it together, like a professional but basically, we got to chat about all things she spoke everything they've been up to everything that's happened since the pandemic happened in lockdown happened obviously the store is closed and the how they're going to pivot that business, which is really interesting. See how the industry is reacting. I'm responding to what's going on but more than anything else. It was just lovely to talk to two women who love makeup and love beauty and a really trying to spread the message and make beauty available to more people which is I think. A Very Worthy Endeavour. So I am going to cut to that conversation right now we'll have a ton of new news in the next episode as I said last time we're also trying to plant alive when Harry and I can hang out with you guys on zooms that we can do another live episode because that was so much fun though so much more news next week we'll have a chat now with myself Stephanie and Rebecca, and after that we've got oh yeah you know you know we've got the hell out of the week. So stay tuned Rebecca Perkins Stephanie March of She spoke coming up right now. Stephanie I'm Rebecca. Thank you so much for joining us. This is possibly the highlight of my whole, my whole lockdown. It's very hard to say that is a compliment was so excited, we are delighted to be a part of. No I'm so excited to which you. It's so fun to talk to people in different parts of the industry. That's. My favorite thing about this podcast, we get to all different kinds of people and you have such an individual take on where you've come into beauty. So for the listeners at home, can you explain to us how you two met? We met on the set of law and order svu Rebecca was head of makeup departments camera what seasonal was backup, but you remember. It was it was the. Eater nine. and not yet was during a triumphant return yet for Good Alex and Rebecca I. Just you know it's really important that you have a good relationship with everybody on the set but particularly people who are very you know literally picking food out of your teeth of are going wrong you haven't noticed. People who are on your person and so not only did we get along but we became really good friends and then, and then we started this business together and so that must've been crash becker. Boeing, seven years ago seven years ago when we when we started noodling it over yeah. was years ago when we started noodling and then that's right when we. opened the door and you know when you're on set your onset with people for like fourteen hours a day five days a week. So you really get to know people when they're tired when they're cold and. And you know. We near makeup artist, you're literally up in people's faces. So so you know. I think it's so important when you're going to business to have a partner and to already go into that knowing that like you know, we don't get tired of each other and we could really trust each other to to tell the truth about an idea. So that was sort of. That was that was the first good decision and then we realized. I left the show at the end of season twelve. And A. Lot of the experience of having a makeup artist wasn't something that only people who were on a set should have. And so we started doing. This makeup services tennis. But then we also started offering as a service, the ability to make makeup, and it's just it's been really fun approaching makeup as a career from so many different angles like from the production and onset angle, and then from opening a business in a service capacity and then developing products. So it's been a really. Wild ride tells on how you came to start the store for people that don't know you guys have a store in Soho in New York where you can come in and get your makeup done and craft your own products. Right. You can make your own lipsticks, which is terribly exciting all the obviously not right now but. So tell us where the idea for that I came from. Obviously, you mentioned the idea of everyone wanting a makeup artist. How did that go from a casual chat to something that is real exists you know somebody told me I think it was originally Christopher Reeve and I can't remember the three questions but it's what you ask yourself when you're deciding. Whether or not to take on a role in one of the main things is, can I bear? Can I stand to watch somebody else do this if I've been offered the job and don't take it and Rebecca had talked about doing make up a dry bar but for faces for a couple of years and she was Becky, you must have been. How was Arthur to? To okay. So so that Arthur is Rebecca's first child will boy Arthur. She said look who's doing makeup in the Hamptons actually it was worshipped as I really want to go ahead with this. Are you are you in and I thought I cannot bear to watch somebody else do this with her and not be a part of it. So that's kind it was kind of. Do we go forward or not yes or no shoes right now kind of thing and we went for it no matter what has come our way I've not regretted it since it's been an amazing experience in it's so liberating especially as an actor when you're constantly trying to get somebody else to give you a job to be in charge of your own own destiny for a little while it was so free. nuts that's where it all began. We've found this great spot and so. we'll tell you more about the story in the trajectory about that. But it we found this great spot and and it just it just happened I. Mean there's a lot more work behind it than that but that's just said yes. Say Yes figure out the rest later, what Tina phases says, I believe I want to say. I want to save fifteen is smarter. Yeah it really has been A Journey though in terms of like you. had. To. Decide. What to offer, and you know what? What you start with Unday one is not. What you are, you know seven years later and So you know it has not yet. It's we really you know as far as like for makeup services that it was really very You know like based around of day or day of the week, and so we started offering the service to make your own custom lipstick and that really found was like quickly most popular service, and so you know an it's it's been interesting now that we started thinking well, how can we scale it? Not Everybody can make it to A. Little jewel box and so are we started thinking of You know how can we make it an exciting online experience and then covert happened and? All of a sudden we didn't have To every day anymore. So we've really been taking this time to really. You, know it's funny. 'cause we were talking before you got on about the the blessings and the curses of a time of covert and one of the things we were saying that. Right, now because so many of the usual ways of living are kind busted broken everything's up for grabs and you know we have been talking about this in working to have a better digital presence in an online storefront essentially for a year. So it allowed us when we close the store to really focus on something that we had already been noodling for some time and they kind of gave us the the kick in the pants that we needed to really go forth. Yeah. When you're doing the day-to-day operations of a brick and mortar in Manhattan, it's really You know it. It takes up its own amount of time, and then all of a sudden we just had this sort of. Mental Estate we were like, let's let's take this opportunity. So it's it's been interesting how the the pandemic has really forced us to reshape our thinking and in a way that has allowed us to be creative in that Our our digital process is going to be really exciting. So you mentioned how the store has changed and how the offerings of changed overtime, how how beauty changed in that time since you you'll both so hands on like with the store and also rebecca with you being a makeup how have you seen what the consumers asking for How Industries responded? How have things changed that she started the business? Well I think that there's a lot more accountability. People are. More aware of what they're putting on their faces in on their skin and so the shift towards clean beauty and the expansion of that element of beauty has really been. Really noticeable. The the trend towards and I hope it won't be a trend I hope it will just be normal of Inclusivity and accountability with inclusivity that you know you can't just be a makeup brand for. White ladies. It's gotta be. That can accept that can be for anyone. Yes, a lot of like just am I feel like every day, the new celebrity beauty brand, and some of those you'll. Really. Interesting inauthentic, and then some of them feel really just like Walmart wanted to. Slap name on something so. There's definitely just. The fielders cat keeps getting bigger and thicker and you know so really having to. Being able to navigate through it and figuring out what really is. Something beautiful and special, and what is something that people really aren't going to connect to those are. Those are the big. The big tasks she spoke is all about individualizing beauty, and what you do is all about tailoring it to the peasants experience, which is the glory of having a makeup is involved in the brand. If you could invent a dream product, if you could put together anything, what would it be? can I interject here? Yes. Please do I mean not speaking as a makeup artist, but Rebecca has created a dream product for me You know we are obviously we're starting with lipstick, which is greatly give beauty your voice and it's a great way to get a you know it's a great hero product. Most people wear something on their lips. But we are Beta. Testing all kinds of different cosmetics and Rebecca has made me the most credible conceal her I have very sensitive skin and I'm prone to break out in this stuff is amazing. Now, I don't know because favorite thing, but it's one of my favorite things that she's made for me Oh. We are a big conceal podcast. This is very exciting to us. If Harry was on this call, she would probably be trying to charter jet over to try it because she. Obsessed her thing. Well, that's one of the things that like you know as we've gotten more and more granular, not just doing makeup services but what makeup are we using Oh we're going to make our own makeup. So what goes into it and the things that you learn so So, we partner with an amazing chemists. In the US and They've really. We give them sort of ideas of what we wanna see and feel our formulations and they'll send us a prototype and I'll be like well. The Best Formula I've ever used the bay what they sent us a send everything colorless in we import the. Pigments and what I don't think people know about complexion formulas is that it only? For. Permits, it's titanium dioxide, which is white. If they at stuff that you'd see some screen, it's black iron oxide. It's a red iron oxide, yellow iron oxide and that will. You can blend those in different ratios for anyone from carrying Elson to Alec Wack. It's the same or. Ingredients. So you're not leaving anyone off the table and we would just really loved intellect and since Oslo into custom complexion because you know it's your skin it's like. The largest organ on your body and you want to feel confident in it, and if it's something that's completely custom made for you and what? What Stephanie Talks about is that I I made her choose. So like the center of your face in the primitive, you're are often different shades. So something that is not only specific to you but specific like a part of your face. I think is is exciting and it's it's fun to make. It's fun to have somebody El- you bet it's the best product they've ever used on their face. I can't take credit for the formulation because that's our amazing chemists. But like it's really exciting we're. Sitting on that capability and I am looking forward to. US being able to unleash itch. Yeah. You you've got all kinds of excited and it's it's not okay because I want it now. I want I want this. Now on my face, my face is also sensitive impromptu breakouts. I've used it in zoom capacity probably more than I have. And It is amazing. It's very new friendly. I'm finding that I'm using our products all right now actually everyone saying that's the next big thing. So. I don't know. I'm I'm sort of thinking about a if we ever do get back to work. There's a new lawn spinoffs coming up and I would like to be able to put it on our actors on that show. I'm looking forward to watching that show. So everyone here is in agreement on this call. Thing that it's very exciting. To while I was waiting for the prototypes for that, conceal her base we have a a lip and cheek bomb and it's meant to be used on your face as well as your lips inside was sort of using that as the base for another type of concealment and we of prototype it was it's recalling of base bomb and it's kind of like for people who are less prone to breakouts more prone to lake dry skin it's a much more removed. So. What's your appealing to? Me I'm very excited about all of this How long have you guys been beauty valves obviously professionally involved but from a beauty perspective from a personal perspective was it something you into from being a little kid or is it something that you both came to later in life? Once, seventies from Texas so. I did I grew up in a house where This is the way we did not go to the store without Luca conceal in a little bit of. Lipstick. So I truly have always I mean I'd probably wear a little bit of makeup I just feel. a little bit more polished and I enjoy it. FUNNILY, enough I'm not a product junkie which I think is part of the reason I feel. So dedicated to the she spoke mission I don't want a lot of product I just want to five to seven things that really work that I know I can count on. And I I like to keep kind of clash board. So for me it's really about performance it's about being able to do a five minute safe and get out the door because I can't do it can't get the door without it AND TO BE ON MY WAY So that's what I want. I want a few things that really work for me. I knew really sure. What my family sort of. Confused about me because nobody. Is Into? Any makeup or any sort of I mean some grooming but. an I started reading. Books about makeup when I was. Like as soon as I could read. So I've always been obsessed with and like it's the only. Job, I've ever had in my first job after. College was at Sephora I spent a summer in college doing makeup verse, Student Movies and things like that. So it's It's always not less about the product per se but more about the craft and does the product. handicrafter is it making it harder for me to do what I? WanNa do yeah like like seventy said I'm not a product junkie but I do like to get my hands dirty and see what works and what doesn't work but Yeah I. Love Me and got my entire life. I can tell you where I was and Kevin a quantify and you know What was the best product that you remember? What was the first product that stole your heart? A blue. IRIDESCENCE shoe. I shadow that my sister had that she never wore inside stole it. Could I can tell you right now mine Revlon Apricot blase was obliged day April Kat Lipstick that my grandmother had that I feel out of her purse and where I mean I must've been sane but I thought it was impulsively glamorous. Why will we all stealing makeup because? Yeah, I was sneaking into novel. Creating. frosted lipsticks and being late night. Precious. It all over my yeah. I think there is so many So many of us want to wear makeup four technically allowed to what I love about the beauty industry that has really changed via have come of age is that it is no longer especially from our perspective, you are making yourself up to be pretty for someone else it is a school of self expression it can be war paint, it can be comfort, it can be nothing it could be a costume but whatever is it's not about being beautiful for another person without feeling like that version of yourself that you wanna feel each day. And I love back I just love I can agree more. That's favorite thing here at full coverage that we routinely have to discuss with people about how make a feminist choice and we should be allowed to make it. One hundred percent I mean. I went to a women's College I have nothing but sisters, and for me, it's not a incoming. Not, I'm not putting on makeup to look sexy. You know we we we hire women we work with women and. There's nothing about what we do. That is not aminist. It's in fact I prefer I think of it as actively chemist that's amazing So back to product, even though you both product junkies actually maybe that makes isn't even better question all that any makeup by staples that you cannot be without I we use our lip and cheek bomb every day because for me no cheeks no girl I always said unless I have a little something of my cheeks. I tend to look Real tired. So she bomb. A brow tent, our can feeler and some powder. If I do that I'm ready to go I usually tend my lashes because I for whatever reason despite eight years of deep friendship with Rebecca I. CanNot put on Skara just it's I. Look. Look look like something's happened. Something's gone terribly awry when I put it on what about you rebecca anything that you have to have in your makeup bag? A hundred percent Mascara and it used to be lower house eliminates, but then our Friend whose beauty editor introduced me to Pat McGrath Fetish is. I I. You. Know I was like, all right. Let's see if she brought it and I put on one coat and I was like Bam hat is not playing around. So I'm very happy. That is a fantastic product are Danielle has amazing. Row Line coach can MECO. She has. Really really I'm brow pencil set that I really like an depending on. If I WANNA be a red header I want to be more like Brunetti in my brows there's Latino and coffee and the Mesa darker one those are terrific and then yeah I use our conceal her and I I also liked it pats highlighter but. But. Because of all of the different pigments and powdered, we have made a few highlighter set. Are. Probably, rooted in my blue IRIDESCENCE. Says they all obsession Make. Ya So. Yeah. Definitely either a blue reflects our greenery highlighter she I would with Rebecca the first week she had that Mascara and I will tell you it was something close to like a religious awakening. She talked about it every day. The. Day. She bought me some it looked she put it on me. I thought Oh. Yeah. Finally found it. and. I went home and like the idiot that I am I couldn't do it but she she's a convert man it's so there's no going back for her When you meet the one, you meet the one you know. It is you know when you know you're you're marrying. And that's hard because there's so many mass cars out there. There was so many massacres to say dedicated to all promise thing and they don't really. I understand I am very pale. So Mascara is if I don't wear Moscow, it looks like I have. No is. So it's it's a real search. I think it's the biggest thing. But you know I got a job at Sephora right after I graduated from college and that was such an education in like. How many things are kind of the same You know just to be aware of like are you buying this because of the marketing and packaging or are you buying it because it is? Effective and High Quality and what are the things that you probably can't find at the lowest price point versus the things that That you can, and like the the mass like the drugstore. Ud companies put like eighty percent of there are indeed budget into Nascar as because it's something that people are buying over and over again. So so for me to find like to to pay like three dollars for Skara, I'm like She better be the best mask Aaron in the world but. I know and I'm definitely not going to recommend that you should try the new Marc Jacobs at lashed because I. Don't WanNa do that to you but. If you'd like. I think you. I. Think you would like at lashed. It's really lovely and then the tube is gorgeous and I hate myself for it because again, it's the top end of Moscow uprising but it's really good. Where every day on. It's just in this gold and black stripe tube and it's so beautiful and you get great big fluttering Dolly Lashes, which is my preferred giant land. I'm just saying I'm just I. Love It. Now. I'm doing sales show mark. Jacobs he doesn't need it. He doesn't need it What would be do you know what is the most commonly requested? Kala. In the studio and curious to know what people are asking for when they come in. I would say so for the people who don't come in with like a specific color, remind because we've seen it all a lot of people want. Like the perfect nude for them. And and so then when we talk about nudes, are we talking about lush town or are we talking about lip tone and then? Often. They never thought that and sits you know and then so we can really cater it to like specifically there Lipton and how it's going to. Enhance that or bring again, evenness to it or deepen Ed or Light Med or whatever it is. But like. I would say, probably forty percent of what we do is The perfect nude and a lot of people will say like, Oh, I wish I could wear red and then it's Oh. Will you? Can you just always been told that you need to wear a blue red but you'll feel more comfortable and a warm red and then we get some You know people have always wanted. A color like Teradata, but you know. Me between isn't necessarily going to make that because they're not going to sell you know five, hundred thousand of them so so they'll come in for like those colors like purple rain or cement or tear Cada those sorts of. One off color. But but definitely, our biggest request is I have is a new one last question I think this is something that's very important and we could all use some of this energy right now Alex Cabinets powerlift lip color. What is that caller? How do we achieve it? How can we BE MORE ALEX? Cabinet Wow. You know I give all of. Whoever created Alex Cabinet space on the other end of the line right now I I didn't have a lot to do with it. Are P what did you do you remember I remember we used. It was like a MC- dark sort of rose i. don't remember the line it was from kind of their Shinier Lipsticks but the funding about cabinet is that like she could have a little bit more fun with color than Benson Benson had to keep pretty I mean she was fully glamorous but It was a lot more sort of neutral tones whereas like with cabinet we have a little bit more fun. We could do some more like. Me Remember when we decided to do a live at one time like kind of the reading, Pinky lip and the whole producing team freaked out. overdrive pure remember that. With. Her face what what happened? What would you? I mean first of all, it's lipstick. Take it off and. Second of all I. Mean it was a bunch of dudes course to get it second of all she can't. A lip I mean. Sometimes you know in fact, one of my travel staple lives in my toiletry bag is a red look because every now and then it's the only thing you can do to dress up and it works young line it's instant. Done in thirty seconds. But we definitely we did like A. Dark, Rosy Pink for cabinet and for Benson. What's funny is Meriva a has so much natural pigment to her lip. At the film stuff that we were that the the camera us before we switch to digital it, she didn't have anything on her lips it would look like she was wearing. Lipstick like no job though which was not right for the character so we would have to actually. Completely toned down her natural Olympic Mansa that was always sort of. Like a constant journey to see like okay. Well has has this GonNa look oh it looks. Right now this is GonNa look like warm and neutral. So that was one thing with. That is actually very specific to. Moorish. Mike Kingdom for Olivia in read my kingdom for Liberia read seriously. That woman needs a red lip. I think it would solve a lot of problems in a personal life. That's just that's all I'm saying I think she's feel better. Along to the writers. Mary once please let them know I'm a professional A. I'm I'm here to cancel anytime. So. What's next fishy spoke what's next for you guys as you go forward. We're very excited because we are visiting to an an online experience that will hopefully I think very faithfully recreate what a person have in the store makeup artist you can customize your lipstick online. And we have really fun prototype that we've been working on for about a year starting Beta testing just next week, and we hope to be able to offer what we had in store online too much. especially. During lockdown, is there any better time to custom make lipstick for yourself? So back to we are going to be delivering the ball really excited about our great digital pivot. We thought long and hard about it, and it was a good time for us to pursue a more aggressively the digital part of our business, and it's certainly a great time to reach people as we're all. Trapped behind a device right now. Now you know it was something that we really have been wanting to do but didn't have the bandwidth, and then you know just looking forward to a post covid world we really that this is where. Where and how we can best serve our serve our clients and I don't know it'll be pretty exciting. I'm so excited the we managed to find a positive in all of this horrible stuff. Fantastic you know we are in the business of delivering a little bit of. One of the greatest not being beauty is that what you're supposed to make people feel better and. Tree. And so building do that any time. Great but to do it right now is especially gratifying. Well, thank you so much. You guys. It was so good of you to spend some of your day with us and share all your insider information was so excited to see what's coming from. She spoke I won't not conceal a possibly mole than I want anything else it. I wish list. It's ridiculous. My face has been a lockdown disaster. I'm so lazy. Please give me this conceal or make everything better. On that now. Yeah. If you wouldn't mind just doing that no, it's been such a great chat but thank you so much. Yeah absolutely. Take care. Honestly they would just so lovely and. Sorry. If there any audio issues in their obviously we were speaking over zoom and they were both speaking to me from the east coast of the US and they just had horrible whether they'd had a Tornado Stephanie had had her power knocked out. She was running off a generator. It was kind of bonkers they were amazing to do what they did and to chat with me when they did and so gracious and so sweet and so kind, and just like genuinely really excited about what they do, which I love like the people I love the most mvp of the people who were there because they wanna be. Passionate about and I really am excited to see where she spoke goes and whether she spoke mission and as you may have noticed real excited. Seila like I really want that consular I don't want to be a deck about it, but we really want that concept. So yes, stay tuned will have more. She spoke news as when it comes. Now it is time for me a my sinus infection to sing to you. This is a hardship. This is I'm this is I'm suffering from my are I'm suffering for you guys I'm going to sing for you I. Hope that you sing with me because it is time for. High lies the we it feels like a really long time since I've done that feels so long This week's highlight is the Wayne Goss luxury I pilot in imperial. Topaz I. Know Tons of people were talking about this when it launched a couple weeks ago. I ordered it not appear sample. This was purchased with owner Bennies and I have to say I'm super in love with it. I think the size of the pilot is good is just six pounds it's not intimidating it's not enormous. It's not just like you're too much is a really nice small portable sized up pilot or innovate self. It has a huge mirror inside that you could. Use to do your whole makeup on the six shades are just super universal super bowl. There is a beautiful Shimmery Champagne I've been using all of my lead as a base most days and then the the shades just number two. So you have to remember names, which is helpful. So Oh one is the Shimmery Champagne. Then this awesome Shimmery sames of texture topi Brown that I've been using again just just a little bit of definition logo color on the I. Then you have a matte black, which is gorgeous. You can use it as liner you can really smoke things out you can go crazy with it and then in the bottom. Bottom. Words anymore guys but the bottom line of shades in the. Don't do any row the bottom row the bottom row. There's a really gorgeous that same shimmery formula of a rusty coppery. ORANGISH. Brown, which is really nice then. Matt. Brown that you can use a contour as a transition shamelessly and the crease or if you're looking for more of a matinee, ninety s look, that's really good for that tooth and then the last shade is a super super sparkling champagne topper doesn't have a ton of pigment and but you can spark a lot basically any of the looks that you can create out of the Palette which is as I've already pointed out a lot of looks. The pigments beautiful they the eye shadows blend beautifully the Matt's the Shimmer. All of it it's just so easy to use pretty foolproof. I don't know anyone on this earth that might listen to podcast needs truly needs a new neutral or nude shadow palate. But if you're looking for one, this is such a good one or if you're just looking for treat to self come on, it's twenty twenty this is. A really nice trait. It will be really lovely gift as well to someone who's dying out or someone is looking to step up their game a little bit move up to a fancy level of product I. Think it's really gorgeous makes me really excited for what Wayne is GonNa do in the future of this brand think this is the start of something wonderful and I can't wait for the next release. That's it this week. Sorry, it was such a short one hopefully next week my brain will be working better and on fewer antibiotics and all kinds of things do will have Harry back and we'll hopefully be talking to you in the next episode hopefully on next up. So we'll be alive isn't it will be the one after that we promise become wait to chat with you everyone's doing okay. OBE everyone staying safe and staying well, taking care of each other it's really important right now. I know you all because I see you want in the facebook group being amazing and just being wonderful. If you're not a member of our facebook group FACEBOOK, dot com forward slash full coverage podcast and the top pinned post will take you through to the facebook group for the part it's a private group. So you have to ask the join provide digital you answer the questions you're a nice person will absolutely I met you because we're Nice Group of people we want to keep it that way. So I hope we will see you that on Instagram we're on twitter were on all of the places come say hi, we would love to from you. It's not going to do joke I'm literally on deadline. and. I will speak to again in two weeks Hope as I said, you'll really safe and well, and we'll see you. Bye Guys.

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Go Ahead, Designers. Take a Nap

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Go Ahead, Designers. Take a Nap

"This is Lisa, and this is Kara, and this is pop fashion. Fact. Hello. Two of. Welcome back from your sabbatical, which I must stress is not all relaxing. You got some serious work done. I'm so proud of you ever a third of an awful. I can't believe it like wonder woman over there. I'm so proud. Thank you. Thank you. You also went to the frozen tundra of New York to report about retail. So you've been busy too. I have been it was a great time. At least I talked a little bit about it before we started recording. But in our ref is quite the circus. And I mean that in a positive way, but it is an experience. So we both had adventures and are back together. Thank you guys for being very patient with us as our episodes get kind of settled him back on track. BT dubs. How is your beat? I mean, what did you? What did you learn this past year? Dammit, I like that question about birthdays, Lisa the thing about that question is I ask everybody that every year. And now people are starting to turn it around against me. I'm being like, what did you see what happens bitch? It's so obnoxious. I still like the question to ask other people. But this year, I learned. Mirror therapy, changed my life. I learned that. When a doctor says, you will never get better. I can say you fucking watch me and. So don't take what somebody tells you to heart necessarily, get a second opinion get a plan do some research because like she told me in March that it would never get better. And by July, I was doing better because I did research on my own, and it was a huge monumental shift in my life. Also fiscal therapy helped and by December. I wore heels for the first time in over a decade. And it just like it was life changing. I had a life changing year this past year. It was amazing one of the things about where our birthdays fall that. Makes it tough is like because I'm December January it's almost lined up with a counter year. So when you're looking back and reflecting on like what happened the year? I was X many years old. I automatically think of it in terms of the calendar year like what twenty eight team was like instead of what might thirty second year was like, yeah, it's tough. It's tough to reflect when you're when you've already reflected right girl you coming in then twenty nineteen with good stow. I'm coming in hack, girl. I'm hat. I have some things have going after it may be my year of revenge. I know we talked about it before. But I might be just settling on that. I'm ready. I'm so ready for that. I love revenge so much pope Francis. If you're listening, please stop listening. Because you're not gonna forgive me for my love of revenge. He's on the list of people who aren't allowed to listen to this show. My dad. And pope Francis. You know, I was really concerned that he was going to be like, let me listen to what the girls are saying about Gucci and was gonna turn, you know, there have been some very fashionable popes. So don't count it out. You know, who's out there listening? You don't know who's out there. Learn how to use the iphone. We can only hope that it's part of the Vatican tuning tuning it. Let's move onto fashion news with that girl, which got surprising news over the weekend. And y'all were on it before actually Carne was on it first before anyone, but we got a lot of messages and tweets an Instagram notes from y'all who learned that Brandon. True acts died over the weekend. He was the founder of Canadian skincare company to see him. He was aged forty. We've talked about him before his brand the ordinary is wildly popular for offering high end skin care products at low prices, but investors, including Estee Lauder removed tracks from his role as CEO last October after he posted on social media and announced that he would shut down to see him at the time. He said that people within the company had committed financial crimes true exit owned one third of the company at that time treks had been hospitalized for mental illness twice in the UK. And once in Canada in the past year, the cause of death has not been announced. But at the time of this recording on January twenty second. It's understood that he fell from a building near downtown Toronto. Jeez. So tragic this entire thing is tragic. I remember being so confused about what was going on with him. What was going on with his company back in the fall? When you know it was just hitting the fan. And I don't know. I just heard the news over the weekend, and my heart just fell. I just think he was a guy with a lot of issues a guy with vision. But also he had some defense, and it's just what a tragic ending. Yeah. It was one of those stories that you texted me, and I was shocked out loud shocked. Yeah. Which in this world of fashion that we talk about doesn't often happen and true have been on social media than on social media and on again, and in his last few posts on social media. It seemed like something was off. He was maybe intoxicated when he was posting. But you know, we don't really know what kind of demons he was fighting in business in life. So it's just a really sad event. Guys. We don't have a good transition sentence for after this one. We don't. Okay. Next story. Totally different. There is no transition. Sorry. Karl Lagerfeld was absent from his latest Chanel show. He was gone. Lisa any guesses to where he was where in the world is Karl Lagerfeld yem. I guess is that he was at home feeding show at pretty close. He took a nap. That's why sleep through it. No. He did not sleep through it. But he needed a break Chanel released a statement. And it said he was feeling tired. He bowed out for him the show. They actually end of the show. He is eighty five if he needs to take a nap if he's a little tired, let them and take an app I wanted to put this on our rage Arcus kind of wanna see where he's headed how he's doing a little concerned, but also all of us at the end of fashion week are like a strong out even as an observer of the runway shows, of course, by the end of putting on executing a fashion show. Its vision is creative direction. You're going to be tired. And I think it's okay. I'm glad he said, I need a break. We need more people in fashion saying I need a break. But I hope he physically is. Okay. Yeah. Because you know, what this burn out we talk about with younger designers who are doing their own brand. They're working for a major fashion house or doing a diffusion line. They're doing x y and z million things in the linens lime like that is not sustainable for anyone human being. And the fact that Karl Lagerfeld is still working as he is eighty-five problematic, dude or not he's working his ass off. He's eighty five years old. If y'all wanna live to be eighty five light Carl you better get some extra sleep. Right. You know, hold the God. Really good nap. And he's doing okay. I bet you shop out was curled up with him. He was it's a lady she was. Cat corrections Goerner with your host Lisa and also car. I can't tell you how much I guess it cat. Sorry. Let's see where do I wanna go? Surprise law van picked a new creative director again again, Bruno SIA Lelie has been appointed creative director seal Ellie used to be menswear designer director at Lou avai- and will be law. Vons fourth creative director in four years. Great job guys. Seal Ellie, also has worked as pre collections womenswear designer at Balenciaga, which is a very detailed job description and senior womenswear designer at acne studios. So while you know, sort of an unknown has a solid work experience in the industry and a company statement, it was explained that CLA was chosen after an extensive application process, which involved an incredible array of talented, fashion designers, Lon is owned by h Hines conglomerate which wants to take the brand in a new direction. According to this statement, they said that Cialis experience in menswear and womenswear as well as the gender fluid direction that he focused on Lou avai- is what attracted the company to him. As a creative director, a statement said his proven ability. To seamlessly transition between menswear and womenswear will stand law van in great stead as luxury fashion increasingly blurs, the boundaries between the sexes. So if you had a friend Lisa, and that friend dated seriously one guy every year for the past four years. He would you pull out for inside. It'd be like, oh, you, okay. Do you need to talk about anything? Because what this says to me about this tracker? It doesn't tell me about the artistic or creative directors that they have tells me about the brand like something isn't right. And it really hasn't been on track since they fired Alber Elbaz and 2015 since then they've been kind of floundering, and I've really I've been rooting for them because such a beautiful heritage and controller brand. I want them to win a what this to be a win. Yeah. But it's like they like it. It looks like they just keep Bob and for Apple's. But seriously, if you had a friend that was like seriously dating. One person every year. Be like what are what are you trying to do Susan like what's your vision? Here. Susan sues like, take a breath left. The ink dry as my dad would say it's a lot of change for company a very short amount of time. So let's hope those when sticks. How's it going to say like, good luck Bruno? Nothing against the guy. But I know he's got a big job out of them. Yeah. My concern is that his job has little to do with fashion, but has everything to do with working with a company that doesn't know what it wants not as much fashion, but a little more business. Exactly, good luck, friends and other news David's bridal emerging from bankruptcy. Did not see this one coming friends. Do we have to pour the drink that we poured for David's bridal? I think it was a Mickle tra- totally. It was Mickle which cracked me up to put that liquid back into canned put it back on kitchen counter. They reduce their debt by four hundred fifty million dollars, which is no small feat. That's pretty impressive. They are now owned by a group of lenders which sounds kind of like you made a deal with the devil. But okay, they announced that they have new ideas here. Some of their new ideas, they are going to include lower prices on bestselling items how they're already very low. But okay, don't question the plan. It's the plan. Lisa. Okay. Okay. They're expanding sizes up to size thirty. Now. That's a good plan. There are going to be more options for bridesmaids and more special occasion dresses that I can get bind. They're also going to have more in store events. Now. This is important because it is being shown that in store events is actually playing out well for many brands, and it builds brand loyalty, so pretty Smart Choice. They also just debuted at commercial that involves same sex couples getting married. Wow. Really which about damn time that my really was a finally it took them this long. Yes. It took them this long. They finally did it the cynical part of me is like you had to face bankruptcy to make the correct choice. But we're here. Now, we're here now, which is great because there's an entirely different part of the population. Who may start thinking about using David's bridal as a source. I still kind of like come on guys Cama. But you know, these changes are good changes. It is a good plan. I'm really surprised and really thrilled that they were able to turn a corner because not very many companies have been able to do that. Now. The big thing that they've gotta do is make sure they don't file chapter twenty two which is going into bankruptcy. A second time like try to avoid that. It's still brand new. They only filed to. Months ago, three months ago. They got out of it quick. Let's hope that they have a nice steady course. But Bravo, yeah. That's such a huge restructuring in a certain amount of time. That sounds like Marie Kanda dot in there. She did. She was like is this debt bringing you joy get it out of there. Right. Are these materials bringing joy or are they flammable, but it is good. The fact that they're opening up to an entirely different population by extending sizes. I like that they're going to be around for they serve a lot of people in different parts of the United States. So having more special occasion dresses, also, very smart because as stores are closing you're losing that Goto source for teen girls who have dances to go to or people who are going to fancy events who aren't necessarily a brighter by main. So that's definitely a niche where you still need in store options for people to try on for people to. Look at and so this is going to be a big help for them. They did it can't believe it. They did it. Unpoisoned? Unshod gun the Mickle Tra and just put it down wipe your face girl. Wipe your face. I haven't read that book don't right on. In lawsuit news. This isn't even this. This isn't a fashion grind this is like crimes against humanity. A former mosquito employee has filed a lawsuit against the company for seventeen complaints of discrimination and harassment on the basis of race seventeen seventeen silent December the plaintiff sha-mail Lotte Lod alleges that an assistant manager there would call non celebrity black shoppers. Serena and at times, even ask employees to follow them through the store in an act known as retail racism. The complaint alleges that there were protocols put in place for potential black clients entering the store. Leases from the complaint. If potential black client was not a celebrity into not have an outward appearance of money, the diamonds or name brands, the defendant, call them a Serena to other sales associates and wanted the Serena to be closely watched. The lawsuit alleges that staff were encouraged to use the aliases. Well, the plaintiff says that she spoke with corporate staff over the phone to make a formal complaint against her manager and to express the lack of access to human resources, but she says a promised follow up never came. Further attempts to reach out, according to her when unanswered mosquitoes parent company made a statement to fashiony STA that said mosquito complies with applicable equal employment laws and values and respects all customers and clients regardless of their race or background. What a bunch of assholes gross. It is disgusting luxury fashion has a serious racism problem. It just does. Yeah. I mean, I love it. Love the industry. But like, let's not mince words. They have a raises a problem that shit's racist. It just hurts my heart -til, I just. It just seems so dumb on top of it. Like besides being amazingly hateful amazingly racist. So dumb. I think if they failed. They have earned that failure fashion Easter talked to a an attorney to get some insight about cases like this. And the attorney made a really interesting point that you probably won't hear about the end of this case goes it'll probably settle out of court, and it's probably going to get sealed. Like, there's going to be a non-disparagement agreement in that settlement. Well, that that part doesn't surprise me. My real question is what are they going to do going forward to make sure that this doesn't happen, right? Or or are they just going to be like, let's pay the money to shut this case down, and then they just continued going forward on their name. Meaning that like they're hoping that people look past the racism in order to buy the clothes because the closer beautiful and. It's just so profoundly awful just makes my skin crawl thinking about experiencing that especially being an employee and having to tolerate that day in and day out the employees get screwed because like the problem that she talked about like who do I go to HR because there is no HR that as a problem that scene in so many different industries, especially in retail like who do I turn to because this thing is awful. It's a real issue. Like, there's so many issues here. That's one of them. Yeah. Yeah. Where do the issues beginning end the and other news because I don't know how to transition out of that one either Mickey Drexler step down as the chairman of J crew, the things I miss I try to leave town once. Okay. Look what happens y'all last week J crew announced that Mickey Drexler is stepping down. He was their former CEO and was acting as their chairman he is leaving to work on his company called Drexler ventures. He will continue to serve as an advisor to the brand. Drexler ventures. Sounds like a whitewater kayaking. Larry's I go. I would go whitewater rafting. Yeah. Sure. Why not? I can't Email them anymore. So we might as well. Go camping or something. J crew has had a rough you months, if you're a member their website crashed over black Friday and the days following a few days after that they're thin CEO a guy named James Brett quit the company did. Couric's up the company decided not to replace them. Because why would you need to see? Oh and stead they have an office of the CEO which is currently being run by a committee of four executives. Oh that sounds like a great plan said no one ever. I mean, if you've ever watched the office, you know, that you can't have two bosses remember that period of the show or they try to have two bosses. It doesn't work having four bosses does not work because you don't understand the direction. Everybody wants to go in that is my personal commentary four bosses like. No, I'm not here to be on a committee. I'm here to make some decisions and lead a company, they need a leader. Okay. Drexler was a mentor to gentle Lyons who was very influential for better for worse over the brands in the two thousands. Also, there are rumors that the reason why James Brett left the company is that Drexler was breathing down his neck and making the board second guess his decisions. So that there is some tension there Drexler though, as legendary within specialty apparel he made such a big splash, especially during the nineties and early two thousand he led efforts at gap that turn the company around during that time. I mean, he built that brand. He launched old navy and gap kids and later J crew, he launched the made well brand. So he he made a great efforts within that company. But he was kind of behind the game. And understanding what the internet was. And that was kind of the beginning of the end for him. I personally think is that he was like this internet thing. Whatever people will always go to stores, he is currently chairman of outdoor voices and Worby Parker. Wait say that again, he's on the board for both of those. Yeah. For a minute. I heard that as chair of the board of those. And I'm like, oh my God. Gosh, chairman how how one job he has many. I mean, he's had some great influence over retail in what we know as modern day retail had huge influence, but I keep wrestling with the idea of okay Brett had to leave because of this guy allegedly. But then two months later, he's out. So what happened? Yeah. This drama by the story draw Ma look, and I like watching the fire festival documentaries right now, but can somebody with a J crew documentary can be that person. Do you wanna go fund me? Yeah. I do actually in all my free time. I'm going to do J crew documentary and be like remember when these clothes works. Remember where they don't now. Let's get the entire documentary. I would take you seriously. If I knew you had any free time. I appreciate that. You know, Jason to this Jake discussion. I was thinking, you know, I drove twelve hours this weekend coming home from my journey and along the way, I was thinking about something I wanted to get for Michael, you know, the boyfriend that sometimes I talk about on this show, and I talked myself into going to Jake crew and getting the item there, and then I talked myself out of J crew and decided that I was to Macy's because J crew I'm pretty sure to Jacor I have to cross over like the bay into Tampa. And I was like, oh, but if he asked to return it like if it doesn't fit then we're gonna have to go back to Tampa. And I could just go to Macy's where I can get something that's probably cheaper. But will last longer. It was this spiral of doubting J crew. That's rough. That's serious peering into some of their core problems tail. Yeah. I really this is another brand that I want it to work like I want them. To fix this thing. Because at the core of it. I really believe in their brand they just lost their way. And then they got into like a few billion dollars worth of debt just a few. It's kind of like, you get frustrated with the things that you love so much because you want them to be better. Just good together. You can't have four people running an office. You need you need a CEO basic, you need a decider in the words of George. Herbert Walker Bush. No, not that one George regular W Bush, which one choked on the pretzel. I don't know w w choked on the pretzel. I don't know what the w stands for probably Walker. I don't know how we got here. But let's back away. Slowly. I have some quick financial news. Oh, please. Tell me the real real is talking to investment banks about the possibility of an appeal this year suppressive prize. This year is already full of the prizes. Liza last year was about miracles this year's about goddamn surprises and revenge the real real declined to comment to Reuters. But people close to the matter said that the real real has sent a request for proposals to perspective advisers who could manage the listing if you remember or have shop there, the real real sells luxury secondhand items since a funding deal in July twenty eighteen that brought in one hundred fifteen million the real real has been focusing on building out its brick and mortar presence and expanding. Its fulfillment centers four comparison at the time of the summer funding deal. The real real was valued at seven hundred forty five million and. And when farfetched went public in September it raised eight hundred eighty five million. So the real real is already up there in that realm of like this being a legit possibility of them going public on the stock market. Do you think it's going to happen? Yeah. Yeah. I trust Reuters. I think that's it. Oh, just a quick reminder that New York fashion week is coming up February eight through February sixteenth people. This is our Super Bowl. Get it together. Take your vitamins take vitamins work on what heals your going to wear book yourself into the dry bar. If you're not going bookmark some spaces that you know, you're gonna see all those photos. It is game time game time order sheet mask order seven order, green juice order sheet cake. It's time people you ready vitamins. I'm ready. All right. Let's do. Let's do a listener letter. This one is from Ray who says thinking about the WalMart patent. I wanted to share my initial gut response, which was a little different than yours. I felt almost relieved shopping so frustrating when it be nice if they use the information to make it easier to find what I'm actually looking for. I hope the new technology can tell the difference between someone who is looking for that one specific thing that should be easy to find versus the person who was shopping for recreation. Does anyone even do that anymore? I one hundred percent agree about just wanting to get what I came for and get out. I just can't always find it. But realistically since I'm usually shopping by myself listening to me isn't going to help them much. We have a tiny old fashioned hardware store in our neighborhood. Whenever we run out of patience looking for something. Most recently a decent. Snow? Shovel we go there you walk in the door. Someone asks you what you're there for they take you to it you pay and walkout saying, why don't we always come to Miller's hardware? I I don't know how this can be translated fashion, but someone could make killing MUD every time. You ladies mentioned Ulta I want to write if they could hear what I am thinking when I leave there. Why is it they ignore you the whole time you're wandering around confused. And when you leave cheerfully throw out thanks for coming in. They might as well be saying, thanks for leaving. I could write so much more. But I have to go take my blood pressure. Thank you for writing in never really thought of it that way. I mean, my first initial reaction was pretty like, oh, no. I don't want that. But I never quite thought of it. In those terms of it being almost easier for way, finding because the stores more clued into what you need. I do know coming off of our f- that there's a lot of tech that is coming out that is going to make that easier. But to your point the thing that solves it is human interaction of having people who know what they're talking about. And that can cut down all the confusion. So lots of stores are getting ready to drop lots of money on technology. That tells you where products are instead of just like. Treating staff. Well, so they stick around and they want to have conversations with customers. How many times have you been looking for something, and everyone you see who works there looks busy and the new talk yourself into needing the item at all. And you just leave. And then you're like, I still need that. But I don't wanna go back in there and this whole anxiety spiral. It is because it could be really overwhelming one reason that I like trader Joe's is because like one or two of product when you go into stores, it's like how much can you jam into one area? And so your brain gets its fatigue for making decisions. And so the idea of having somebody settle out that information for you can be so amazingly helpful that can make you wanna stay in that store. There's also one hundred eighty people working at every trader Joe's in every shift. Shrew you picked the best worst example of this. Yeah. It's so true. Because you are able to talk here able to stop somebody talk to someone most of the time. Yeah. I got it. Right. Like, I was thinking about big brother, and you were thinking about convenience and customer satisfaction. And there's I think. There's room for both those discussions and this podcast. There's a hybrid answer in there somewhere. Here's a letter from Taylor who says sending in another ego friendly diminish if I came across on Instagram J crew among other brands is partnering with the company blue jeans, go green to recycle old denim to be used in new ways like building insulation. Check it out if you haven't heard of it blue jeans, go green started in two thousand six it's an initiative of cotton incorporated, it has diverted more than one million pieces of denim from landfills, and it has made over two million square feet of Oltra touch denim insulation. Here are some pretty big milestones. It has recycled more than a thousand tons of denim. It's diverted let's see over actually this other part of the website says more than two million pieces of denim have been diverted from landfills and it. Has manufactured more than four million square feet. Oh, so this is even better than like, the initial thing. Like, it's making a lotta insulation, y'all. It's cool. It's I have as mental image of shoving genes into the wall. But it doesn't like it looks like sheets events insulation that you would roll out. But they are it's blue it's different shades of blue because it's made with old denim. So very cool. Thank you Taylor for sending it in. Oh, and this reminds Africa tell one of my stories in the news portion about as Tommy hilfiger is introducing a sustainable Denham line. So it goes along the same path where this spring his collection will have jeans are made with one hundred percent recycled cotton, the fabric that he is using is gathered from cutting tables and factory floors. He's using stuff. That's just a cast-offs cotton. That would otherwise be thrown out. The thread is made from recycled plastic bottles buttons are coming from dead stock, and the hang tags will be made with recycled paper, the styles will be made using less water chemicals and energy and the final wash will use laser technology. So lots of people are going out this problem from different directions. I'm glad that Tommy hilfiger is part of this initiative that people are like denim. Let's do something different with it. Or let's figure out a way to recycle within this part of the industry spent tastic, I love it. We're going to do one last letter and this one. Is from candidate. Who says I love that candidate calls herself that now I know it's her name come on. She has to she used to just be and now she's candidate. That just made me giggle. Okay. She says just listen to the episode talking about Mark Jacobs getting sued by nirvana for the use of the Connex smiley face created by Kurt cobaine. They are just so many levels of irony. Here it blows my gen-x our brain. It's ironic that that's Miley face even became a logo. It started a sort of an anti logo. Nirvana was an anti-capitalist almost Neil counterculture band and Kurt Cobain, even in the later years when his ban was was a success kept doing shows he and the band weren't up for and were pressured to do so out of fear. They would run out of money. This is a common tactic used to explain musicians that Kurt Cobain nirvana left behind a body of work that grew to a four hundred fifty million dollar empire is ironic all on its own that his doodle from his notebooks used in the bans merchandise, morphed into an image that was stolen by fashion label, and there's a lawsuit over it. Now is crushingly ironic that the brand who stole it is Marc Jacobs, a brand modeled by Kurt Cobain's own daughter Francis bean Cobain in twenty seventeen forgot about that is just painfully hardly full circle ironic. Adjacent ironic is the point that grunge was popularized in part by nirvana and was the antifascist movement sending kids to thrift stores army surplus instead of into malls. That smiley face was a part of the anti-capitalist antifascist movement. And now, it's the center of capitalist fashion. Just twenty years later. Thanks for keeping up with the podcast. You've always been one of my favorites. And I will stop what I'm doing and listen immediately. Whenever I see a new episode has dropped lots of of you Kate. We love you candidate candidate also drop some knowledge bombs about capitalism and the nineties this was such a fun note. Tha that they you she's totally right, by the way, she still right? That's it for less. Outta this week. If you want to get in touch with us to pop fashion podcasts dot com there you can write to us. You can also go to Twitter at just pop fashion or on Instagram at pop fashion podcast leeza. What is your one good thing? This week. Well, you know, I was going to make my one good thing. The joy of painting with Bob Ross being on that flicks. But oh, I believe that needs no explanation. I watched several episodes during my road trip. Not while I was driving while I was resting, and it is a bomb for the soul. So get on that my real one good thing is a sand. Timer like something that comes in a game. No like one that I bought from CB two. So this was inspired by a fellow writer named Kari role wagon. She is super cool go find her. She has written about retail in the past, and she's awesome. And she had posted an Instagram story for accountability for her writing habit. And she posted a little scene of her desk with her laptop and she had a really beautiful Santosh Mer. And I was like where did you get that? And she told me it was like crate and barrel for our however long ago, and she didn't know if they still had it. But she said, it's only a fifteen minute timer. So if I know I know that I only have to sit there for fifteen minutes in if the writing doesn't come at the end, I can just get up and move on. But if I do get into a groove and start writing the Santosh doesn't make any noise when I'm out of time. And so I keep going. Oh, cool. Was really helpful for me to hear because I really love the Pomodoro method, and I have a little Pomodoro timer on my chrome that gives me a twenty five minute timer. And then lets me know when it's time for a break, accept it scares the shit out of me every time because it I was on it goes, and I'm like, oh my God Jesus Christ. So I wanted something quiet. And so I bought myself anti-matter it came in the mail today. It looks not. I mean, it's game game show, it's board game style. But it doesn't look Janke. Like it's out of a board game. Lisa like, sand, stir the hourglass. So are the days of our lives is that what you're saying. How many episodes have been waiting to make that reference zero because I've never seen episode. Kind of before our time. I think we were like it was it was on days of our lives still on do not write in and tell me I just want to. Yeah. I bought myself a Sam timer. That's awesome. What a great idea if big fifteen minutes is just perfect. What a great method. We'll see because I came home from this writing residency and my mom's like, oh nine gonna keep up your momentum. And I'm like shut up. Give me give me a minute. Because I went back to like my day job and stuff. I'm not just like wandering around the woods, thinking deep thoughts. But maybe this will help. So thank you carry for inspiring me. And you know, we'll just we'll just do a little bit of the count- ability on Instagram with this guy. Can you tell us later on how it's going if it's working for you? Maybe depends on how it's going. It's okay. If not working, that's okay too. You still end up with great timer? That's cool. Great silent timer. Love it. Great. And it wasn't super expensive. It costs like seven dollars. You know, if it doesn't work, and it just looks pretty well click. Sorry carin. What is your one good thing? And do not tell me it's Bob Ross on. Netflix isn't. My one good thing is a go bag. Oh. G oh my God. I'm so ready for this. So I ended up having to go to the emergency room this weekend because it's a long story, but the van wasn't doing so well, he's doing better. Now, that's the big thing. But when he made the decision he turned to me and said, I think I need to go to the emergency room. I said, okay and grabbed Mike O bag, and we were out of the house in less than five minutes. So might go bag was actually a gift from my sister years and years ago, and what it is exactly what it sounds like it's a bag full of stuff. So you can get up and go and get out of the house as fast as possible. There are different types that are out there the ones that are pretty complex. They're like survival kits for seventy two hours. They have those out on the market that are pre made or you can make your own. It's really easy to find some by googling it or going on Pinterest and putting survival kit or go back, but mine in particular has to do with like if anybody needs to go to the hospital real quick, you can get it. And. Walk out the door. So inside of it. There's things like an extra pair of underwear. Toothpaste toothbrush. Face wash hair ties a couple extra dollars. An extra shirt pair yoga pants context. Losing contact case. It's pretty basic the idea is if you get stuck in the hospital overnight, you are prepared and having it around. I can't tell you how it was just amazingly comforting to be like something is in control. I am prepared. It's gonna be okay. I had to add a few extra things carry my sister's name is Kerry and Kerry was really smart. She included a checklist to make sure do you have did extra things in it. Your phone charger, extra whatever some extra cash, or whatever she included that an it. So I wouldn't in the middle of an emergency. If I was panicking. I would have something to go to right away and have instructions so I didn't have to sit there and think so is able to quickly go down the list. It'd be like, okay. I need to add one or two things. But I can get out of the house. I can handle this. I'm ready, and it's one of those things you don't need it until you need it. And then it's all together. Like, thank goodness. I was just amazingly thankful, and it did bring me joy because I was like I might feel out of control. But something is ready. I was really really thankful. Quick question of clarification as someone who probably needs to put one of these items together. Even though I evacuated during a hurricane. But you know, whatever, do you have in your bag copies of documents like driver's licenses insurance cards that kind of thing I don't because there's different varieties that you can do probably having one like that is a good idea, especially if you live in a place that is a hurricane zone, or you know, that you're in a high flood area or something like that. We do have this documents and another place, but they're just not in our go bag. Maybe that's a better idea. I guess in this case if you're both home and one of. Turns to the other and says I need to go to the hospital both y'all's wallets are going to get there. Yeah. So you're going to have those standard items that you probably carry around all day anyway. Yeah. And it's on the list to the like, make sure you have list wallet phone like things like that. Where in an emergency situation. He may just not be thinking. Clearly, I mean, I got this as a present turn out to be such an amazing present. And so maybe if there's somebody in your life that needs a gift that you don't know what to give them. It might be a wonderful thing to do. Because again, you don't need it until you need it. And then you really need it. Okay. Here's the real question though, which gift has brought you more joy. Is it the go bag or the toilet seat that your sister? I mean, my sister has stellar at gift-giving. Obviously that toilet seat is so good and this go bag was so good. She obviously knows what she's doing when it comes to necessities. She can't give a gift wrong. She's got an insight into what a person needs. It's called listening. Observing. That's one good thing this week. I'm glad that among all that stress. There was a moment of of peace when you said, okay. I have what I need it. Let's do this one of my favorite times of years when I get to eat all the granola bars out of last year's hurricane cut. Do you have like March on your calendar? Now, I can do it June one when hurricane season starts by new box granola bars. And I put it in the thing. And I take out the box. I get to eat them not like all at once as a buff. But like, you know. No of buffet. All my gosh. It sounds Kamate. You gotta keep it a fresh. That's the hardest part about being prepared for disaster is like the freshness of the food and water. You have to keep up with that get ready for they talk little. Don't take our word for it. Find out yourself on the meeting rainbow. Apocalypse frame with that we love you guys have a great week. We should go by. Can take a look it's in a book. Hell. Yeah.

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Fashion and Revenge

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Fashion and Revenge

"Mike is this is this is Karen. And this time. What the back? Welcome back. How you doing? Hey, welcome to the twenty nineteen edition of the show which will sound suspiciously. Like the twenty eight team. It's improved better than ever kind of. I complimented Kearns hair and she responded with thanks. I washed it know, that's our working off the year. Just you set your expectations low, and you will succeed. Can I tell you a quick story about my first thought of the new year? You're very I bought like upon waking. It was pretty close to upon waking. I must say please do starts. The dream my dream a woman walked up to navene and kissed him. She had beautiful long red hair. And I pulled her hair spun her around punched her in the face, and I woke up, and my first thought was Jessica Chastain is my sworn enemy because it was just testing who kiss. My husband. It was your short was her. Yes, it was her. She was gorgeous. Did he kiss her back? I think he did. What's I realized it was her? I was like that's bad. But my thought for the new year wasn't like it's a new year. Let me think of how to be grateful for things in my life. It was sworn enemy on my list. New year, new enemies. New year, new enemies. I've got this revenge thing going, I'm kind of last on this energy kind of like an at Lisa as you know, rage is one of my favorite emotions. And since my first thought upon waking in the new year was where are my shoes? I think you're doing a little better than I am just going to put it out there. Did you find your shoes? Oh, yeah. I found them today. I'll good took about twenty four hours a solid thirty six hours after. That's a good new year at my address, they just weren't in my apartment. So it was fine. Everything's everything. Both my earrings made at home 'cause one time I was dancing too, hard and lost one of my earings. And I was very sad about it. Look you you get into the new year. However, you have to. I'm just glad I didn't end up in hospital upon the near so happy your bitches. Lisa. You follow the golden rule of two things. Go out of the house to things gotta come back into house. No, I thought it was one thing out one thing in. No. But if you're wearing it you wanna return with it. Oh, so you're supposed to leave the house in everything that gives you joy. And then also come back wearing all of it. I mean I deal, but who knows adventure happens. It was adventurous, okay. Fashion fashion Imerman JR. That's what we're here for speak of which let's talk about Calvin Klein who y'all. Your leave? It leave it to the industry to break some news right after we just wrap up recording for the year. So Karm I've been waiting to talk about the Calvin Klein situation since I don't know several weeks ago dates don't matter. As one KARN-FM predict RAF Simons and Calvin Klein have parted ways several months before the designers contract was due to expire or be renewed potentially this. Usually what you want is that your contract's renewed. But okay per a press release the company quote decided on a new brand direction different from Simmons's creative vision on quote so little bit backstory. When Roth Simmons was named chief creative officer of Calvin Klein in twenty sixteen it was a level of responsibility that nobody but Calvin Klein himself had ever had Simmons controlled intimates denim men's and women's runway collections. Homegoods and the entire marketing division of the company. Geez. I forgot about that. So like a smidge of pressure. The hope was that his cachet would translate to sales and. At least that they wouldn't fashion. Jesus. They wanted somebody to come in from the heavens and be fashioned Jesus. And like take over everything run everything turned the tire operating around. Do you know the picture of Jesus doing big arms across the table? You know, the last supper painting that was rough holding a meeting of all the departments you like shit. Let's do it. And look this is a guy who like is not new to the fashion business. He has cried he was at Dior. He's had his own line for short eons. Like, this is not new to him. But this was a pretty grand scale. They were banking on him the hope along with this like translation to sales was that he would boost revenue for PVA h which is the company that took over the Calvin Klein brand in two thousand two the plan was to grow that revenue to ten billion. I don't know what it was at before him. But. Wasn't that? So the stakes were high he earned several awards from the CFDA during his time at Calvin Klein, but among the hints a couple of MRs. So the run my collection have been called Calvin Klein collection. It was renamed to two five west thirty nine New York City to five W three nine and Wisey. Yes. That was the glitter the glitter fart bomb that Kearns opened. After it was renamed the collection it so poorly that some department stores and shops dropped the line PVA h invested as much as seventy million into rebranding Calvin Klein under Simmons with much of that going to the two five collection. That's painful, and one last detail sort of around the same time that Simmons departure was announced Calvin Klein also announced that it will not show during New York fashion week in February. Yeah. Because what are they gonna show? A whole lot of heartache he bounced. I think they asked him to bounce is how it went formerly they requested probably via electric mail that he bounce. What's PVA ch- P H is the corporation that controls Calvin Klein that sounds like an STI I just want clarity. It's not it's not PVC that is plastic piping. Okay. PVA another company. But it's it's the basically the parent company that controls Calvin Klein, okay? Got it. This was just unfortunate all the way around like, I kid about fashion Jesus. But it really is too much pressure to put on one person to be every department. You're setting them up for failure. You're only one human. You can only do so much. I think they probably needed to draw thicker boundaries around. What was expected? I think he probably has some ideas that didn't work, but he also wasn't given a lot of runway. He wasn't given a lot of time. He wasn't there for very long. And so what the fashion industry does not allow you to do right now is to fail in any way. But that's how you progress a missing out on a critical step in fashion innovation by not allowing the creative process to see its way through and that's because people come along and best of blotch dome. Dumb money instead of starting out small and building a building, you know, it's like all or nothing and sure you can run your business that way, but there has to be some room for failure in order for design. Owners to keep going. Something was going writes. He was doing something writes the sounds like it was a mismatch from the beginning. And it's just too bad. I feel like they both if both sides gave each other some room because that's the issue is that brands want to evolve. And as they get bigger they want to progress and grow and and have a distinct image, right? And so, you know, you get RAF to come in do a rebrand do logos. Do this whole new collection. Then complain that he has elevated the style so much like too much when you're also putting him in charge of like doing sheet sets for the home collection. Like, are you can't complain these elevating it too much and also be complaining that like the sales aren't high enough because like you're just asking him to do too much as creative chief creative officer? It's just too broad to let the brand settle into any sort of new luck. Like you need time to get people to catch up. I have. No doubt. He's going to land on his feet. I'm a little concerned about what was in his non compete. They're gonna make him beyond ice for awhile. And maybe he needs that to recover. The sounds like it was a high pressure situation. But his a lot of talent he'll end up somewhere on his feet. Look he got the car to ashes to begin a recent campaign for Calvin Klein under ruse so MP shore that if he's not like actively working for the next couple of months, we'll probably still go to some good parties. Yeah. He's going to be fine. He's gonna be fine. He will not like the genius. Like shuts off just because something ends, you know, just park Yele, ding. Oh, it's percolating. Oh, it is. Time for the perky later. Do you know that song psalm pokey later, I went to middle school dances car? And we have that song. It's so cute a loved that. I do love. That's how it just the bubbles. So peppy. Okay. That noise coming out of me. It's better than some other things that come out of me recently. Speaking of things that come out of people. You wanna talk about baton? What the fuck is this pulley petanque? She texted me about this earlier. And I have no idea what he's talking about poet baton is suing LVMH guys nothing but class around here there is a company. It's a toy company called entertainment. They make up purse that looks like the poop emoji. But what you to picture that? So picture the poop emoji picture that it's white than it has lashes and big lips that are pouty. And then it's sort of kind of has a look alike. LVMH adjacent pattern on it at supposed like, the LV iconic look in the it's similar to that. It's okay. It's a purse that retails for fifty nine ninety nine. It is supposed to resemble magic. Unicorn poop. This company is suing LVMH and saying that the person doesn't infringe on Louis Vitton, intellectual property rights. Because it's a parody and early December live Thanh claimed that the name and Pui product and fringed upon or diluted the Louis Vitton trademark G entertainment responded by saying that, quote, no reasonable consumer would mistake the product or an LVN. Make stand back. This isn't legal documents. Okay. Legal documents. I haven't heard of a lawsuit. This good sense. The blueberry gum bits scandal that plagued fast food Donut chains. Liberty doughnuts. Couple years ago was at Dunkin donuts Dunkin are crispy cream might honestly, I think it was both but only one brand caused them blueberry gumboots, which is the artificial ingredient that looks like blueberry. I remember that story that was from. That's a long pole seriously from a long time ago we've been together a long time KARN. We've been Heather for some time. And it's one of the favourite that's one of my favorite stories. I've ever done of the penny Horder, and therefore I always think of it when I think of like crazy lawsuits, but anyway, this is about this. So are we getting this Percy when I both we may need to do it. You want to shell over sixty dollars for a parody purse. I mean, it's market research. Can we'd right. It. Of course, it's kind of ridiculous. But I understand there's kind of grab for your trademark. But this is seriously ridiculous. Like, nobody in the right mind is going to think, oh, I wonder if LVMH is behind this bag let me let me run out and get that Louis Vuitton purse that retails for sixty dollars. Clearly clearly that offense again pure just like unicorn poop. Sparkling with possibilities. Well, I don't have a legal battle quite to that level. But I'll try. Do you? Remember a few weeks ago? We talked about Marc Jacobs re-releasing part of his nineteen ninety two grunge collection. Oh, yes. Very exciting accepts not everyone is pleased about it most notably nineties grunge band nirvana. The band has accused Marceca of copyright infringement for using Nevada trademarks in the collection filed in California federal court last week, the lawsuit states that nirvana smiley face logo was created by the band's original frontman and founder Kurt Cobain in nineteen Ninety-one. And that quote, nirvana has used that copyright protected design and logo continuously sense to identify its music, unquote, never mind, the fact that you know, the band has not exactly produced music in a recent period of time, but this particular design of smiley face, it has this instant recognisability of oh that went with that. From that time apparel, featuring the nervous Miley face logo has been sold through retailers like target and urban outfitters. However, Marc Jacobs did not pay a license feature in our Rana to use its intellectual property big mistake. So the fact that the nirvana corporation licenses out that logo for small that's something. I learned today. Second of all I don't know why I was surprised that nirvana still has like a business because there are several living members of the band, and their oil teas and all sorts of stuff. It was like I didn't even consider this that it could be an issue with this collection. But surprised demons Domeisen Kirk obain, just don't get your business. Right. Don't massacre cobaine all there is to it. I side with nirvana on this one. I do a thousand percent. I I feel like. This is kind of an open and shut case. I have not heard a comment from the Mark Jacobs company. But I mean, I mean, it's kind of obvious you guys. Yeah. When I saw the shirt, I assumed they were cool at the band, Bhagat a mind your Ps and qs come on. Right. You gotta say, thank you. Thank you. Do it's their logo. It just is. So to all of you aspiring designers out there. This is just a little warning that like when you take inspiration from pop culture, and then you re release your line twenty some odd years later, just make sure you have the copyright stuff figured out. And you'll be fine. You'll be fine. Everything's fine to say, thanks. Let's talk about more lawsuits. Because apparently that's what we're doing today. Look we are starting twenty nineteen with rage and revenge and what says raging eventually lawsuits like money Honey vans filed a lawsuit against target for copyright and free. Moment. So they are suing target for trademark infringement and unfair competition. Target is selling the Camilla lays up sneaker for fifteen dollars fans old school sneaker is price at sixty dollars. That's Nico was originally launched in nineteen seventy seven and currently accounts for twenty five percent of vans. Business the shoes. Look, a lot alike, both are black and white side stripes, the company states that the side stripe is instantly recognizable, and it's a design element that is necessary in order to be eligible for trademark protection. So the sang like this is part of what's protected within our brand what I thought about was Lou batons and the red souls. That's how they've gotten its core a lot where people have like L. Let's put red paint on the bottom of our shoes. No, no. You can't because it's instantly recognizable as baton brand fans are saying something very similar like this is a very recognizable. Mark for our company. With footwear. If I if I'm remembering correctly, a lot of the court stuff comes down to function or fashion. Yes. If the part, they're arguing about is a functioning part of the shoe like necessary, like a soul or a lace, your you have less of a chance in court of winning than if you say that the thing that ran has copied as purely fashionable. Yeah. Van say that that products are confusing to customers because they look so much alike and some shoppers or even referring to the target version as fake vans vans as a brand doing really well right now they are on track to do five billion in revenue by twenty twenty three. They just want to protect their copyright. I understand it. I'm fairly certain that the sixty dollar originals probably hold up a lot longer than the fifteen dollar copies. I mean, you think ideally who knows this day and age who knows? But when I was reading. The story I was like unfair competition. I don't understand why that is a part of this thing. But if your product is marked so far below the other one, and they look so much like, of course, consumers are going to be like, they look exactly like let me do the one that I can afford that's really reasonable and twenty five percent of your business central around this one shoe that suddenly you're getting undercut on the style for that could potentially bring down your entire business or just do a huge cut. Yeah. This year is starting off with. That's my stuff. That's must stuff. Raid revenge. Original ideas. Or lack thereof. I've got some fun news tally. H M is introducing a new collection on January twenty fourth. It's in collaboration with Swedish label eighties. Have you heard of this brand before tell me about it? They are very gender fluid chic eighties. They do a lot with the chunky sneaker luck. And are. Scandi boxy Sheikh is how I would how I would describe them. So this collection is going to include genderless, shoes, clothing, annex Sary's for adults and kids alike. It's going to be available in stores and online you can expect a color palette featuring bottle green school bus yellow beige khaki dark, indigo black and white. It's meant to be mixed and matched with sort of that basic color palette that has a couple of pops of color, the clothing will feature. Boxy silhouettes in cotton, twelve four patent leather nylon and robbed Denham. This is not the first gender lasts or gender free line fast fashion store. Zara did it in two thousand sixteen Acis is expanding its gender free offerings after a really successful. I run max Schiller. Who was the creative director of eighties said in a statement the collection is all about proportions creating a distinct unisex silhouette by play around with. Lucilla wets and chunky architectural Fokker. I'm ready for it sounds fab the only thing I'm very curious about which I'm sure if we looked back at ace are doing this in stores, I I would have some Intel, but I'm so curious as to how this gets placed within a store because I'm so used to walking into a store and saying okay men's over here women's over here kids is over there. Right. And so when you have granted you'll have the adults and kids stuff separated, but when something is not distinctly women's or men's how do you create a space within a store that feels cohesive with the rest of the store, and you know, you wanna work in this new exciting collection without alienating it at the same time. Right. I'm curious as to how that will look. Yeah. There's an ancient I'm that's near may aware. And this is I'm sure what it's like with a lot of their stores is like the floors, the different genders different floors. If you don't happen to go to that floor. Then you miss out on the entire thing. I hadn't really thought of that. Yeah. Even on line two you're used to tabs for men's women's there's something that was happening earlier on in the year, though, which had to do with kids clothing being pushed misdirection, more and more. We did a series of stories where like lots of different people were coming out with genderless labels for clothing, which I thought was brilliant. And I love how that was done. And this is kind of like another wave of it happening. I'm hoping that we get to a point where this is not a story at all as just about a new collection within a larger store because it's a Dopp did buy lots of different types of people. I think that merchandising question, which is a merchandising question. And it's also a marketing question will eventually get worked out as helping customers do discovery and a new way. Yeah. If you work in a store that has had a gender non restrictive, I'm still not sure what call it. If you work in a store that had a collection like this, please. Let me. Merchandise? It the other question, I have lingering is I know that eighties has a particular boxy look about it. So like that is unique to them. But I do feel like gender free stuff gets a little bit pigeonholed into this boxy silhouette, and I'm very curious to see I know on the runway we've seen a lot of more form-fitting stuff. I'm excited to see that trickle down to mass market. So that we can get into a little more form fitting of a wardrobe and have that be gender free as well. Agreed. That's a great point. Yeah. I think people are doing it. It's just not coming out in these branded collections. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Yes. Brent very exciting. I haven't seen it. I'm excited to see it. I might actually walk into an ancient look at you. God I would have to go to the mall. I might stay home. Just click some buttons at a work. I'll just go on the internet. Okay. Next story, our dollar stores beauties next big channel. This is an article from WW at specifically started off by talking about five below five lows discount chain about that SARS. They sell a whole bunch of products, including beauty, and you might say, oh, that's just a dollar store or a fancy dollar store, but they just opened up a storefront on Fifth Avenue New York City while everybody else close in their obviously doing something right gap was lake. We're going to close avenue store. Hey, five below do you want it? Five below is expanding so is Dollar General which opened nine hundred stores this year and as projecting opening an additional nine hundred seventy five stores this year and twenty nineteen dollar tree which acquired Family Dollar is opening five hundred fifty locations and renovating one thousand to put this in perspective. Target has a little over eighteen hundred stores there started to get as big or bigger than target and these dollar stores. You know, what they sell beauty? It's not the only thing I sell they sell a lot of it. Beauty brands are taking note, and they are seeing a channel to drive growth. So a lot of beauty brands are saying like, what type of products can we create to put those stores because there's so much money in it. Even though beauty is still doing walls and industry. Make up a nail sales are flat year over year and skin-care is up only one percent. So they're looking for. Places to expand people are buying beauty products via dollar stores because the product selection has improved ingredients have been upgraded also merchandise is fresh stock instead of closeout products before you might get like a whole bunch of stuff that didn't sell and another store, we're talking new products. A Dollar General and Family Dollar half mass market brands that consumers are used to shopping in other stores to which tributes to this including garnet covergirl. Yes to Wettin wild. Also as a disclaimer when we're talking about a dollar store doesn't mean that everything is one dollar, but we're talking about generally things are about six dollars and below you might find things a little bit more expensive. You might find things that are a little cheaper. But we're talking about a couple bucks. I think to keep note. This is so interesting the average income range of dollar store. Shopper is now between sixty thousand and seventy thousand dollars a year hot diggity dog that is the biggest market shopping at these stores that is why dollar stores are also experimenting with smaller formats in urban areas. I think dollar stores have this perception that you can only spare one or two dollars. If you're going there not happening right now. People who have solid incomes. Are turning to it as a source of get other products people making the most of every dollar. There was really a change. I think right after the recession where people sort of thinking of their money differently. I think there's a line between that part of our history. Recent history to what's happening right now. There's something that's happening with money or people how they deal with money is changing. Now, there was something. I wanna say I read it in Bloomberg BusinessWeek last year. There was a report on the increasing number of dollar stores. And how people who right after the recession are doing their session. We're very guarded about their money. Started shopping at dollar stores because they were afraid of where the next paycheck was gonna come from. Or what bills we're gonna come up next. So they were playing it really close to the chest. And that as their economic conditions improved. They just stuck with the dollar stores because they enjoyed the bargains. They were getting so as you get these people now coming back to the level of sixty or seventy thousand dollars a year. They're like we'll. Why am I gonna spend twice as much as CVS? Walgreens, target at cetera et cetera. When I could just go to the dollar store and on top of everybody's still trying to pay off student loans. That's part of it to where it's like, it's great. If your body come increases, but also people's hospital bills. Their student loans are still taking huge chunks of their paychecks. That's just my perception. That is not something that I'm quoting from. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. That's just we have many opinions on this topic. But I had no idea that the the mass market beauty brands were really going towards the dollar stores as a target market. It's genius. It's so smart a lot of it because it has to do with volume. I think I've like sheep masks, you can sell a whole bunch of them at a low price. But it's the volume it's kind of like fast fashion. Right. It's about volume and also if you think about the square footage of these stores, I think five below is one of the larger formats, but if you think of like, a Dollar General or dollar tree, I think they're a little bit smaller, which means you have limited merchandise, which means you're I ball's in the store are going to hit more of that merchandise, and you're not gonna have that decision fatigue of having twenty to twenty five options for a single item. Type I have discovered this. Because now I shop at all for my groceries, and my life has changed. Lou I have yet to go to one. But I hear great thanks the thing that I immediately went to trader Joe's because they do something similar where it's like, they don't have ten brands of carrots. They have one brand of carrot. You know what I mean? Right. You can either get them in little size or big size organic or not like, that's it. Right. And so yeah. Like at an all day, you have this limited square footage limited merchandise get it before it's gone deals. It's not coming back if it's gone, no rain checks, and none of that crap. So you are banking on people wanting to be frugal and really choose with how they spend their money people wanting to get those bargains and like go hunt for them and people just like being done with America's bullshit. Generally, just generally got it. So you can you can put that on T shirt. Dumb with America's bullshit quote lease. But just don't sell the t shirt. Because we don't want it out there were anti merch, which anti t shirt. I just got a I just need a shirt that I wear in that I just see pin different sayings onto it time. Yeah. Print out on some computer paper pin it on where for four hours until the job is done. And then I write a grocery list on the back of that piece of paper. So you basically need a whiteboard you can wear. Yes, genius idea. Yes. Let's do it. Okay. Nobody steal it. Speaking of stealing ideas. Do you wanna learn about a patent that law, Mark? Yes, please. Are do. I this is like the most big brother shit. So just going to crack my neck until uterus yourselves. While you were celebrating the holidays. Walmart was celebrating new patent that it was granted this system that uses audio data to determine a variety of performance metrics for employee's. Oh, no, no. It also listens for noises made by shoppers in order to determine things like Q lane at checkouts and how many bags are used during transactions. What what? It's not only is the proposed system capable of determining things. Like how many people are in a line based on the distance between noises made by guests? So creepy or the number of products purchased based on register beeps, but it also listens to interactions between employees and customers the recorded transactions could be used in any number of ways, including to determine what products customers might be talking about in real time. Lease this makes me feel gross. According to the patent the system would improve employee efficiency and decrease costs at stores and increase guest satisfaction. Rumor still out on that last one the patent includes a notification that these system could be altered in any number of ways, including to listen in on shopping activity throughout the store. Currently WalMart does not have any concrete plans in the works to install such a system in it stores. But at the risk of sounding like I'm reading directly from a circle by Dave Eggers. Which is the set. Time. I've mentioned that book to car today. At the risk of sounding really big, brother. You have to keep in mind that it's only in the past year or two that Amazon go has opened and has used technology like motion detectors to see to know what you're picking up off the shelf it measures your gate to be able to track you around the store and use some facial recognition stuff. If I'm remembering correctly, all of the stuff that seems really big brother and scary that Walmer is using Amazon's using or or that WalMart is planning to use Amazon is already using video versions of this. They may or may not be using sound. I'm not sure Kearns making this face like she's just gonna throw up into the retail abysmal toilet. Yeah. It's it could be happening. It it could it could come to a store near you in the future. I mean, they're patenting it. So either they have plans to do it or plans to block someone who's planning to do it gay. It's happening. So make sure next time you're at WalMart to have the weirdest conversation you've ever wanted to have with whoever you're shopping with. If you got a far just go and do it. That was where I was going to what we're going to have to do a patent out on is like a ring that makes a farting noise. So every time you go and have a conversation and a store you just push the button, and then you can have conversation with somebody but records the louder sound which is the poop, which is a pootie time. Copyright car. Inven- bar. Full circle thart rings unite for privacy. I wonder if it can track how many people complain about. Whatever song is playing the loudspeaker because I'm pretty sure that data would be the most interesting. I wonder if this chair is gonna play into a larger thing, or at least that you and I saw the tech for this last year they were doing Keira stuff to track where people went and they would put up advertising that corresponded to what people were picking up. If you're talking about a product, I wonder if it's eventually going to see a screen with a product near by, you know, I think we're kinda headed in that direction nervous enough about what my phone knows about me. My Walmer used to be a safe haven Riva's Palani baseball hat and sunglasses. Keep my head down. I get what I wanted to get the fuck outta there. But it's listening to me. Yeah. Things are headed here. Yeah. I mean, look if there's one thing I've learned from television and film, it's that if. Just turn up a static radio station nearby. Then have a conversation. Nobody will know. So maybe maybe I just need to carry around like an AM radio like a weather radio. And then just play all the time on me just to thwart the years. I think it's going to be very simple technology that gets around this that people are gonna get creative about it. I mean because all by rights. I mean, eventually, I think it will become part of everyday life. But holy moly. I wanna go into kicking and screaming, right? Like, I I don't want them to listen to me. But I also want low prices car has the book, but quick Fillon. So in the Hamid style the book by Margaret, Atwood. Everyone is afraid of the is which is the name of the police force. And basically like the ideas of the is are always watching, and it was announced recently that Margaret Atwood is going to write a sequel to Handmaid's tale, which maybe is not the best idea. But okay. But do you think the sequel will be about the ears and surprised the ears are at WalMart shirt? Yes. Yes. It's going to be called a documentary. Yes. In gilead. They will have walmarts and the WalMart's will be listening. Yeah. Of course. I mean, that's where everything's headed. Right. This season on the United States America. Okay. That's all the news. I have I feel scared alone. Sorry. I ended with that one on that great note. Let's close that out. I let go listener. Oh, baby out k. This first one is from Kyla who says hi car and Lisa first off. I want to say that I'm a big fan of the podcast and all the great work, y'all are doing total Xiros. Oh in a recent episode, y'all touched on something. I think about quite often as the colon are of vintage shop modern day slavery in the garment industry, the exploitation of my fellow humans makes it all that much more important to me to sell vintage clothing that is outside that system of abuse shout out to Las girls vintage, and my best friend and business partner. Sarah. Listening to that segment about the internment camp in China. I felt compelled to do more I've been doing a lot of googling and reading these past few days trying to further educate myself and find a good starting point for jumping into do. And learn more. Here's where I could use y'all's help and the help of all the other wonderful listeners out there. I'm not finding any good points of entry for getting involved. A lot of organizations. I'm finding are in Australia. New Zealand Europe for reference I live in Chicago. If y'all are any of the other listeners have any ideas about where to get started or any other thoughts? I'm all ears. Thank you for shutting a little more light on such dark topic. Keep up the great work, ladies Exo. Kyla? So I have two ideas. Oh, good. First of all kudos to you for saying. I want to do more on this. But I'm having trouble. Please help me get involved because I think a lot of people get to the part where they get stuck. And then they just sit down and there's no harm asking. So thank you for asking. A lovely listener. And friend named Kelly actually pointed out the weekly newsletter recently called above the bottom line is all about corporate behavior the good in the bat. And so that newsletter is it's I think it's a weekly, and it's really comprehensive. It's really interesting. It may give you some ideas for ways to get involved that are aren't location based also just really good read. So that's something I would recommend to stay in touch with this sort of stuff. So that's above the bottom line. Another option is fashion revolution. Which does the who made my clothes campaign that has been gaining visibility. Over the years. They do each April. It's a nonprofit with a presence in more than one hundred countries. And there are several regional leaders in the US including one in the midwest, which would include Chicago on their website. You can check out vents and ways to get involved with fashion revolution. And what they're doing to. Raise awareness about the people who are actually behind the sewing, machines fashion. Revolution was my first thought. Yeah. So if any others out there have ideas recommendations hit us up we'll pass on. Here is one from Erica who says, hey, ladies, I love the show and have been listening for a couple of years now. I'm currently listening to the most recent episode where KARN mentions a fanny pack. She bought the has a strap that converts into a risk slit, she said, she started yelling into the phone because she works for a company based out of Minneapolis that makes bags that. She alleges are way cooler than that. I don't know. I like to think yours is pretty cool car. But I think there's room for many bags out in this universe. The company. She works for is called stray designs. It's S T R E Y, and she said, we make leather bags with versatile straps. And our fanny packs, they call them hip pouches can be worn six different ways. Yes. And here's what's cool. She said they do all their design manufacturing in the US. They get almost all their letter from California. She says I get paid a living wage for a job that is normally outsourced at large companies to third world countries. I so all the bags and also work if you shifts at our brick and mortar location, we open just a couple months ago in the mall of America. Awesome. So she said, I love listening near show and hearing about small businesses that transition from online only to opening a brick and mortar store, and of course, fashion. Crimes is my favorite subject. Yup. Yup. I love that feedback life that fanny pack life forever. This last one is from an anonymous listener, lemme tell you this whole dull Chang Gabbana China runway show story from weeks ago is still on y'all's mines, and I may be also a little behind the inbox. So here's one from an anonymous listeners of high a regular listener. I wrote an Email to you guys once when I was experiencing being bullied at work as a fashion editor, I just wanna say, I'm so thankful when you guys pointed out that China is fucked up as other countries. I'm trying to ease. But I still felt racism in China when the whole Tanga Bonash it went down every celebrity was starting to make statements, but the truth is though celebrities just wanted the attention as a celebrity stylist. Now, my client literally asked me to borrow dill Chengguan outfits for him back when they didn't piss off the Chinese directly. But I just mild and said, no because I know the Hass about dole chango Bata. I just can't borrow something from designers who don't respect human beings and with the whole interment camps. I'm just so ashamed of China. Somehow we can't see our own problems, but are blaming others for racism, ladies, happy holidays, and thank you guys for an amazing year. That's nice. I mean, thank you. Yeah. I think the United States has. Has lots deal with on its own right now too. I mean, I think has just after that story. I really did a lot of thinking about what's going on in this country, and racism and. It's all shit. It's just all shits, wait. So let us twenty nineteen. It's rage revenge. Original ideas, and it's all show that we're concluding I don't know if it's all that partially shit. I still I still have hope for the world. I still have hope that there's going to be pushed back, but I think that like it's gonna get worse before it gets better. So it's just we have to keep hope we have to be encouraged and keep pushing forward for. Do what we believe is right in our hearts. Yeah. And we just have to be aware of our own biases aware of our own experiences where others experiences and that they may be vastly different from ours. Whether they're around the corner from us around the world. Yeah. I've been doing a lot of thinking about it. I mean, it's still on my mind to just that show. And what happened with that story really kicked up a lot of dust around Mariette of issues. So it's been on my mind, and my heart to so it's weeks later and still mulling over what happened. So thanks for writing about it. Yeah. This week. If you wanna contact the show, go to pop fashion podcasts dot com, you can learn more about us. You can send us a letter. You could also find us on Instagram at pop fashioned podcast or on Twitter at just pop fashion. Ooh, and offer get that on our website. There's a little button you can contribute to the show. Just reminder. It's a New Year's twenty nineteen in your contributions are still mount tax deductible. We have to do a quick announcement corner. Which is our show is going to be a little bit different next week that next few weeks are going to be a little bit of a transition for us because our schedules are all over the place like professionally personally Batty de right Batty. So we're going to ask for your patience as we get shows out, and as we deal with their own schedules. So next week's episode is going to be a little bit different format. It's going to be surprise. It's gonna be fun. I'm excited about what we're doing early to mid January might be a little out of sync than normal. But will still be around a we're alive we're alive. So it's going to be great. It's going to be fine. It's going to be okay, Lisa. What's your one? Good thing. We as I get really excited to tell you about my manga thing. I'm like have I mentioned this before already? But oh, well, I really like it again. I am addicted to the show shits creek. That's I don't think you have many. It. I just started watching it. Okay. All my dad was so excited is a Canadian show about a totally dysfunctional family with toodle children. They live in a motel. It's a long story. Just go with it. Is the funniest show that I've seen in a long time. It's a sitcom it's twenty one minutes long per episode. If you watch them on Netflix as I do and they are so enjoyable and the jokes are just so sharp, and the dialogue is so fucking funny. And it has been giving me such joy, it is the show that I put on what I'm getting ready to go out. It's the show I put on when I like take a break and eat and and just wanna like veg out. It's one of those things where you don't realize. It's there until you hear about it from a friend, and then he tell another friend, and then your whole circle isn't on the jokes. It is that enjoyable car. I am so glad you're watching shits creek because I love it so much. It's a very cute show. It's very unexpected. And the clothes are unexpectedly fabulous in that show to like the characters are dressed and such a weird and wacky beautiful way. It's a delight for the senses. Who an aunt just walked across my computer screen. I might have a bug problem. Don't we all current you? Do you have something like to share with the class? My one good thing this week as I got new perfume, and I smell beautiful, and I love it. Tis the season. It is I went, and I thought I wanted one thing because this why you have to try perfume on. I went into the store. I got Joe Malone perfume. I went and thinking, oh, I love this one cent because I love how it smelled on my friend, and she was wearing it one day, and I sat by her. And I was like oh my gosh. I wanted to lick her. I just she smelled so good. And I went to the store thinking I was going to get that sent tried it on and intervenes word. I smelled like celery. I don't even know what that means. But what he said. I was like you are right. I do smell accelerate cannot means you smell like dirt. I smelt like celery. And I was like this is not my perfume until I tried a bunch of different ones have floral to really like almost Muskie sons, and I went. The one that ended smelling the best on may was the one that was a total surprise. I would have never picked it out if I hadn't like sprayed it on me. And I put it on. It was like, oh, this is me. Oh, and that kind of wonderful discovery was so nice. It was really a delightful day experiential retail. It's hopefully was experience you'll retail. It was a really lovely time and felt very fancy you're gonna drop a scent name for us or what she s she looks around the room to see if she even has it to tell me, she's like, it's new I don't know what it is as Jasmina miracles. I it's the price may it's really interesting. How things can surprise. You just say they work with your body chemistry. You know? Those fairmont's shit worked with fair moans friends. Look, she may she may be raging her way in twenty nineteen kids, but she's gonna smell good doing it. I'm going to smell like to light as Hugh has you beat your enemies out in society. You're gonna smell real good. It'll be on the ground. They'll be bloodied a little bit. Like, I don't remember. But I remember how she smelled fucking delightful. By jasmin ones. The last time. I smelled a marigold. Never again. You guys have a great week. I think we're I think we're done here. Okay. Bye. My hair looks different. 'cause I watched it. I washed it.

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Laura Brown, Editor-in-Chief of InStyle Magazine

No Limits with Rebecca Jarvis

53:17 min | 1 year ago

Laura Brown, Editor-in-Chief of InStyle Magazine

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Hey it indeed dot com slash snow limits. That's indeed dot com slash. No limits just took myself to paris one day <hes> to the shows. I didn't know anyone i can you talk to waiters that was all that i talked to for four or five days saying some dodgy hotel go to the show sitting like row j. I i always joke that for a while. I didn't think mortals had legs because i have my seat was so bad torsos <hes> just floating auto the show people would be so mean and you wouldn't know anyone that you would just you're still there. I was still there and it was great. Welcome to no limits. I'm rebecca jarvis each week. We're talking to women playing at the top of their game. So how are they doing it. Whether you're looking for answers or you just want to hear a good story. You're in the right place. My guest today started life on a farm in australia. Israeli up and grew up dreaming of a career as a fashion journalist. After bouncing around the magazine world hustling freelance gigs and into fashion shows she knew she she needed to be in new york city and arrived here days before september eleventh two thousand one with just five thousand dollars to her name since then does she spent eleven years at harper's bazaar eventually becoming its executive editor. She's collaborated on campaigns with everyone from martin scorsese to tim burton and now oh she runs one of the world's most successful fashion media brands as editor in chief of in style laura brown welcome to no limits thanks. I'm feeling unlimited. I'm sprawled. I'm sprawled all over the desk making a shambles of a._b._c. Radio studio and it's beautiful. I wish it could be here to see it got. It really is the views. I've got the the latest thing. I've got an elitist magazine with amy schumer on the on the cover. We're gonna get to that in a second but i wanna talk to you you about your childhood a little bit. You're torn on a bar yeah. You're born on a farm. Yes i was clan <hes> but no my dad god bless. His soul was farmer brown quite literally. He was a dairy pharma in country new south wales about two hours out of sydney so my i <hes> we were on like a brown swiss cattle farm where he would go and milk cows <hes> every day and i would scamper around with my pets. <hes> i had yeah i had a black and white catechal blackie and whitey because i was a poet anyway <hes> so yeah to four to five actually until the divorce force and then did it seem like that when you were a kid did it off that way. I always like to say divorce dramatically <hes> no one you'll five and your parents get divorced. I don't really remember much. I think it's book if your parents are gonna get divorced which is no one actually plans for think. It's better when the kids are younger than when they're older i i remember sort of sitting on a couch and like them telling me something like and then going patting me and i was like okay and then you just kind of carry on you know what i mean you don't you don't earn the i think you mean. It depends depends on the kid obviously but i don't think you whether it is isn't as difficult as it is. When you say a teenager and you grew up with your mama sydney <hes> a little one bedroom a._m. Flight we moved around a little bit demand lay in sydney which is a beachside beachside suburb and then moved to north sydney which is basically where the bridges and the opera houses on one side and where the bridge ends on the other side. That's where we lived <hes> so we lived in a little like one bedroom like <hes> would you call it wouldn't be like a council estate but was called housing commissioner which is like subsidized housing <hes> because we'll po were did you. Did you know it at the time. Did you know not like i mean what it was always food. I mean it wasn't like you know. It's like a sarah jessica parker store seven kids in your <hes>. No i was in a insurance company company and various jobs in them. I i think i know we always aid and there was you know a drove around at pizza and it wasn't like wasn't like a bad add movie <hes> to subsidized housing and <hes> and then i subsisted on my delusions of grandeur so i am i worked. I started working king from one with us thirteen fourteen. What was the first job it was working in <hes> what we would call a lolly shop but it's like a a beachside my my uncle had a seafood food restaurant in manly and there was it would be like the <hes> alex store that sold food on the beach like a we call it volley shop so it'd be let you still ice cream sells sandwiches. You'd sell chocolate bars or whatever two bottles of water bottles of water and bought bottled water when i was like in nineteen eighty eight affect has hit us later <hes> so maybe you sold a coca-cola pestle cook yeah i saw the call and i would make sandwiches and <hes> and make money you know and then in <hes> the money and then i graduated to waitress at about fifteen <hes> in the seafood place and i worked in that in that restaurant for until i finished high school seventeen so and my money did you at that point. Did you want to move to the u._s. Did you have dreams of working in the magazine zien industry since i was about nine i really loved. I really love magazines. I loved the otherness of it always seemed like it was something a world apart from the main reason but i love glamour but knowing like a necessary like a i wasn't that sort of person i wouldn't be like i'm going to put an taffeta dress and swung around around. I disliked alleged supermodels. I loved <hes> movie stars. I liked art. I liked things that were being made and whoever represented that to me and especially being from australia when you're far away so it feels even more like is this sort of superhighway never be on right so distant distant. It's so distant and in so you mythology is it you know i was never like a fantasist or anything always been really pragmatic but <hes> you certainly do go. There's the shiny there's a shiny world and it's not it's not where i am and i like it. I wanna get there in some way getting there in some way that you're because you mood a lot of people when you're win- coming from your background i feel like i came from a similar place where i just had no idea where to even begin with this industry yeah. So how did you figure out that first step. Were there mentors around telling you. This is what you do laura. You know what's funny. I and how this mental question is. I always feel bad that i can't readily answer it but i think i just kind of got out there like we would do in high school. It will be called what we say. Internships and we call it work experience young work experience and i would go into magazines and go and like i have the hustle muscle not mercenary hustle also muscle but a hassle muscle for sure and so i would go like fifteen years old going internet hero magazine which was a fashion magazine various things and you'd go there for one week or two weeks. Can you be kind of in it and it would be so exciting and and so you just kind of through the end of highschool. I would do as many of those as i could. You do this on your on your holidays door and so i knew i wanted to write and i wanted to be in in print magazines so <hes> i then studied communications. I go into communications. Journalism course in a country university called charleston university mitchell which is a very high hugely highly regarded cost but it was like three hours outside of sydney and then when i was doing that i was super bored by the feary of it <hes>. I just want to get moving because there's a lot of it was still like knowing. Nice is early nineties. We <unk> owners early have computers at home. He didn't have the internet. Really you know what i mean at all. Did you cover my dot m._e. Recall that and and <hes> and so you would be looking at a lot of theory and you would be like e. It felt old fashioned a lot of the ways it was being taught and then you've got no. I just wanna go and work in a newspaper. I want to go and get moving because guess what what we do studying what we do. It's vocational and you just have to so to start doing it. You can't theorize about it all day. It's going to get in there and how in your instincts and hone your idea of why lead is the story it had to tell a story how to structure a story and you can help people you know <hes> critique you on that and learn from them but in the end of the day you to your instinct and ends up sort of forming so yeah i did a ton of experience through those years too and i ended up so so early when i started college because smart no normally i we saw you. You knew you were on a mission. Yeah i started at seventeen. <hes> college arts degrees or only three years <hes> because we'd just lazy people know we <hes> i was done by nineteen and finished. I've finished my final and of course by correspondence so so eager to get a job so i just did my last paper. I came back to present it. When i was already working australian family magazine that lasted for about two once i had this really kind of a checkered history of going to work at magazines intern or whatever and then we closed town correlation no limits tons of limits to magazine so i was there for like two months but then i started at this magazine called mode as an assistant and mode fancied itself is like a w magazine kind of sydney social sydney social they'll talk like that there <hes> when they're poche and they oh yep absolutely and so i was sitting there in minnesota during production which sucks it's very boring but it's you're the one like riding out the flat plan of how the magazine will laugh at the same time i was doing it by hand because we didn't have the programs this eighteen ninety two <hes> but and so and you chasing racing people around to get hit the headlines all doing all of this sort of the grunt work and i wanted to write so badly the <hes> i would be okay. I'll put my hand up right this news page about the collections or an album coming out or whatever and i would sit there at night and i would right. They were receptive to that. Because of all the magazines industry very small stops <hes> especially especially then you had like sixteen people on your staff or whatever so if you could quit yourself <hes> you could do so then i ended up having ownership of these pages and running sort of fun like lifestyle e- fashiony stuff <hes> but then i really <hes> the typical the thing that you do when <hes> you're industry near the bottom of the world and i never been on a plane or anywhere <hes> until i was twenty one so i just my first flight ever was was a five hundred sixty five dollar ticket one way to london on some sort of adam. No i swear their livestock on there. I don't know what they held is playing. <hes> i remember it was a good as we could go visit them. In the cockpit. You went and flew the plane copa and i'll go this way and that we need to the plane into is oh. These are those heady days in nineteen. Oh bloody what was the one thousand nine hundred ninety seven yeah nineteen ninety seven avenir on your plate ever yeah i moved to i seventy. I'll get hang on six anyway. I'm on. I'm all of my dates anyway. I'm actually seventy five and i've been line. Finally we move it was me and three girlfriends and we move to london and we did that sort of ozzy backpacking thing because again where the bottom of the world. I'm not seeing anything so we do the thing where we're like. Four of us went around for three months and just got drunk a lot and ate a lot. Do you think goes a good thing to do. Oh yeah you have to you have to do it and you go to money runs out and and then you go get a job and then you see things we went to portugal and spain amsterdam ireland and scotland in all around europe it was fabulous and <hes> and and you just just terrible as you are those those ages and then we turn up in london broken fat so it was like white bread in parks six oh we were so fat so funny <hes> and and then we had to get job in london in london for two years <hes> trying and had this brilliant idea that i was going to become a freelance fashion writer in london not knowing anyone and london's not very easy. You know it's not the sort of place like the difference when you're london if you even if you made a pretentious person in new york talked doc tear london can be quite exclusion ring quiet cliquey and just you know that this when you make friends along you make them for life but it's harder at the beginning so we're trying to do that. I remember one day. I didn't have enough money for a coke and have fifty for a can of coke <hes> so ended up. I worked at the bbc forbid assisting and i ended up working in an advertising agency called mother but then i got a job sterling consolidated press which was the london office of the publisher that i had worked for in sydney on this path. <hes> you know you're in london. You have very little to your name and you're trying so hard to find something in your being. Shut out yet you ever think at this point. Maybe i should just choose a totally totally different path no why not. I just knew i could do it. You know what i mean. This was like you know. I my opportunities to i think i always knew that i could ride for people back in australia because there is something a speaking of the mythology if you are in another place people in australia will ask you to do stuff so i always i couldn't necessarily get commissions in london so much but could get them in australia. Sir always had that kind of that kind of backbone and just bring like kay well but it was still like hungry enough. Even if i would working at <hes> a._c. i would go. I wonder i took myself off to an because i was running for <hes> harper's bazaar australia then at least a little bit and i will get accredited as a as a contributor whatever for bizarre stralia to the paris fashion shows and i just took myself to paris s. one day to the shows. I didn't know anyone. I knew i talked to waiters. That was all that i talked to for four or five days saying some dodgy hotel go to the show sitting like row j. I always joke that for awhile. I didn't think mortals had legs because of my seat was so bad torsos <hes> just floating over auto not getting the show and people would be so mean and you wouldn't know anyone that you would just you're still there. I was still there. I don't know why i living in london. I used to like for while sneak into the alexander. Mcqueen shows which was the greatest still the greater shows you would ever see in the late nineties. Just this poetic like a rock like better than iraq concert better than anything and just going what fashion could be in the world that could conjure up <hes> <hes> was so incredible so then i had the proximity so then when you're the proximity even if you're in row j. it fees you desire on the morning start working within that so at least i was there at least i could. I used to get frustrated that i couldn't see things i time everything felt secondhand. So at least it was firsthand even if if it was far away so did them. A visa run out came back to australia. <hes> this is nine hundred ninety nine and as i working for harper's bazaar notion sashi shop for six weeks. How is that oh. I was crap at it. I couldn't give up my life. No no. I just was like i don't want to do this is funny. It was funny you know customer's always right and it was thought she was like you know and now is fine but then i wanted to get back to bizarre orange started working there and i was there as how did you get that job back a new people. There and i just like you had been freelancing for them. Yeah come on what's going on. What's going on. What's going. You know what's going on you. Were you were aggressive about this is like hatching base over and over again is like come on let me in. I know i always i think my subliminal fees and times is like not being able to go get back into life. You created for yourself. You know what i mean. I was like come on. Let me back let me back and and so they did and i said there's a features editor for two years but the whole time my head was here i was just here. I i come here on one little trip. When i was in london state dodgy hotel went to the diner diner for the first time with what i was in a movie when two windows on the world for dinner <hes> and i'd had it'll taste of it you know and then when berkshire astray area we had internet then but you'd be writing about. I remember very clearly and it sort of sounds sort of meaningless but it was like a helmet lang had had a show. I was writing about the show from looking at online and i just got so frustrated because again i was like i just want to see it with my eyes. I need to see things and be with them. Be it helmut lang fashion. Show be like park avenue beat like whatever the puck the important ways yeah. I just wanted to see it and not feel like things with second hand. So <hes> i remember we used to get all the only american magazines <hes> in a bag from new york anais snaffled him off and i'll take them home and one day i was in this apartment. I was living in sydney harbour really great views and i was reading your magazine as reading intelligence and it was about the time i this there's another time stamp. I think i was reading something about moomba club and so immersed in this intelligence are so immersed in in new york. I was just like in it and i swear i looked up and i've completely forgotten where i was. I just was in new york. You're taking yourself there and i was like my apartment looked at the have a bridge that you couldn't wouldn't be any ambiguity of the bloody was but i was in new york and so i think it was a sign yeah. I did wind you anyway and i was like so i saved saved. I think i have like eight thousand dollars which was five thousand dollars u._s. At the time the exchanges really bad and i had a foreign journalist visa which means i couldn't make money from here. I had to like i could live here in report but i had to report for australian. The outlets whatever you stereo so other visa turned up here. I knew one and a half people on you want one friend and one is sort of new and i arrived on september the fourth two thousand one so were you scared aired on september eleventh always delusional for a minute because i think anybody that was here was a bit like also was accession week and essentially dom but it'd be marc jacobs show the night before and and that was so glamorous and it was so like i was like i've made it i'm here. It was like diane fist. After the show it was all like i remember lots of rosanna arquette a bunch of grapes and everyone was drinking and it was on a year and it was beautiful. It looked downtown so the trade center even house with a french girlfriend and we're both drunk and woo you know look where we are so the next day when i saw on the news like planes ends hit something but again you don't know what to play in it is. You don't think anybody would be does this affect my day today. Does this affect my because you didn't know what it was when i actually really happening and so i literally thought of fashion show is canceled because you don't know that it's a terrorist tuck. You know what's up and i remember remember. It was so like the visual and at the time we went necessarily computing how horrifying because you just snapshots and i was standing in sixth avenue. Do you and i was standing next to susan serandon. It was me and i just kept going like i'm watching a movie or something. You know you're not you're not getting it at all role and because it's your protective thing you're just trying to make it into something else and understanding susan serandon sort of the other day and i was like remember strato standing standing next to you. I was so weird but i didn't really computer to about three. Weekly didn't get really upset until three weeks later. Because i think yo- uh-huh everyone was in shock. I guess my poor mom i mean. I want you to come home. Yeah we own our being in new york. We know how visceral and terrible it was but it on the on the t._v. It looks like world war three. You know when you're sitting watching television in sydney. You're like my daughter's. There and i'm like i know but i'm still augustavas is still open and i'm still going to my my canned tuna and your <hes>. You know where i'm going to be all right yeah. I'm going to be smart and safe. Yeah and we were all just remember how everyone was so social. Everyone just wanted to go out and be together. Yes oh it was horrible for my mom <hes> but no. I never wanted to leave. I was in it then then you know and i was working at the new york post freelancing doing fashion stuff but also like doing september eleven reporting and was such a i remember my i actually don't remember much. If i can dream sequence kind of like i remember i had good assessors social social security number but i don't remember where i went you know or like like going past big hunks of burning melted metal downtown go and do that and i just don't have a lot of establishing images images anymore because it was such a odd sad time <hes> but i do know i never i never want to leave a bunch of aussies left you know and i it just was not me here now. How did you make contacts in the beginning because you seem like a very social person very good for so many <hes>. I <hes> my friend libby calloway. She was <hes> the fashion editor of the new york post. <hes> and i'd met her in australia because she was an exchange with australian newspaper and i made her as she was one of the first ones that i said i'm going to move to new york so had to friend my friend sarah windows and actress. She's always the l._a. So i'd i'd like to fairy godmothers in different <hes> but she was just like take me out and i made people but i met this guy. Mayra sean who at the time was deputy editor of talk magazine but he was looking for new york magazine when i met him in sydney and he was down to a prophet and lachlan murdoch and we had dinner together and so i'm him and <hes> went to go meet him at talk magazine another magazine that i was employed which closed down say no limit situated close and <hes> and so i went to see him and he sort of gave me like a freelance he kind of gig <hes> there where i met tena and tina brown and whatever but i didn't even know particularly well but then i <hes> i freelanced again on and off like just did i met people that what you women's wear daily. I met you know. I had a boyfriend in l._a. I was coming and going from l._a. A bit but i thought yeah does met people and it wasn't in a way like i never had a list. I never had a i will do this. I am more of a surfer as sort of like oh. There's a i remember going soon enough summarizing but i'm going to party at the calvin klein store and calvin klein. Was there so exciting. It's actually you know why don't you take a picture. No i was cool and <hes> so sort of around two things i would meet people and then you're in the right places. You kept pushing to win your friends. We're helping you get in the ship. I guess my first real like sponsored. Job was a w magazine and they gave me a visa. Babies bee's first visa. I'm forever grateful to them and they hired me as a senior editor there so that kind of got the real real train going <hes> and i was there for almost two years <hes> editing what about foreign bureau people people in paris milan writing. I cover story there. Jennifer garner blew the lid off jennifer garner and <hes> but then details konno's curious that men's magazines <hes> why why i just said no don it oh. Let's let maybe override about getting ws episodes. Maybe we'll get read about finance finance or whatever the hell was. It sucked really didn't like it because <hes> you interested in the content or the peop- i just aw take the fifth it wasn't fun. It wasn't fun place to work. Technology is supposed to make your life easier right. Don't let your business be limited by the software. You haven't place whether you're looking to replace or just considering your options. Capterra is here to help you read thousands of real reviews on software options specific to your business needs at capterra dot com slash no limits with over eight hundred fifty thousand reviews of products from real software users. You'll discover everything you need to make a well informed decision unsure of where to start go to capterra dot com slash no limits and use the searcher categories option to find your exact needs check it out for free free visit capterra dot com slash no limits to find the tools to make an informed software decision for your business. Capterra dot com slash no limits capterra capterra. That's c. A. p. t. r. a. dot com slash. No limits capterra software selection simplified really yet okay because <hes> you interested in the content or the peop- the fifth. It just wasn't fun. It wasn't a fun place to work <hes> it could have been but it wasn't during that time it's funny because i consider rally but it was like sort of all the crash but bazaar had been calling me a little bit because glendon it started there and i met glen rheinland baby right after september eleventh actually and <hes> and they were like common. I was like oh. I was just going to details now. Actually i saw kahn or you know i'm. I'm gonna just starting the other place. I kept calling him calling and then i am the deputy editor at the time sarah bailey english lady who'd come come over and she was drinking juice and she's still one of my closest friends and so i said okay and i went over there started there on valentine's day two two thousand five and <hes> i started as an articles director which is like. I thought oh i'm just is gonna be editing a couple of essays a month and turn to so much more i i did that for a bit and then i started. Masochistic -ly seems turned out like taking on the celebrity bookings booking the covers what goes into that god. It's so undefined what's undignified about. I was just saying like if your boss wants one person and you just have to keep asking in your like. Can we don't want to do it wrong. The secret to a good ask a good ask is knowing the persuasive idea knowing. The time is right for the person safest jennifer aniston. You can't jennifer aniston for a cover ten times. You know when she does <hes> takes turns. I should do this cover. That cover should do a cover when she has a project covers a reason so he's a pragmatic but persuasive booker is is the best booker as far as i'm concerned so you know what we were able to do was <hes> and again bizarre. It was a good <hes> training grab because we didn't have we weren't vogue in terms of the voguish nece we didn't have mass-circulation like a glamour lamour or l. or in style <hes> but we were original high fashion one and original so people would come to us us because we had good ideas and we went to the resting laurels because we had to hustle a little more because we weren't the instant go to <hes> and we were the mascow to <hes> so we would it but we will with the sort of the core goto and that meant you could be experimental a little bit yeah we would just push a bit like i start round in shock triangle and my boss would no no you know settle for magazine foreign shores wanted to push it <hes> so you know but i learned that what sort of flooring at the beginning i decided doing covers instead of having having ideas creative ideas for portfolios and always kind of things started becoming like a director in booker but also creative director of without title but very much conceptual person so one of the first things i did which was great was like i'm sending the simpsons to paris right right yeah and i working with the simpson animating them with like linda evangelista who was like taking the paris and and <hes> and which is also like i would like to work with pop culture and fashion touches. How'd you come up with that idea. I don't know i i kind of believe you know. Someone said we should do something with animation some point and was it just in passing and then i was like oh god we should do. I i love the simpsons. It'd be like are always like something. That's a bit of a yeah. I mean it's like it's like something scott a little right yeah exactly yeah so why went up there and befriended their creative director and what was so cool about that shoot she wasn't that drawing <hes> was i love like seeing things going out there into the world and nine in an ego way but you're not gonna help how you have an idea and then it suddenly just a rise things happen because of it <hes> a ripple effect or something in the craziest thing was i remember <hes> <hes> i was looking at a social picture and and i know ryan mark jacobs and i've seen a picture of him somewhere had this like fakes to if he's <hes> off his character from thing from the portfolio and i was like oh god i love that factor to you <hes> with yourself as as a simpson he goes no it's not fake back and so he had to be has of the of things on marc jacobs marc jacobs simpson which has been conceptualized by julius suzy artisans in may wow. It's wild for life for life. I love that sort of stuff. I love the weirdness of it definitely so fun just so that was like oh. This is cool so i just kept going and so i you know over all the years that i was there. The role change so much the world has changed so yeah and you have to be. I think i think it was a creative producer. You gotta make half go to persuade the people the money and you constantly have to have new ideas and better ideas than last ideas and alabama and <hes> and i think that's what i love. I love being like like oh come on. What can we do that. I want anybody. I think this is the thing is like from being far away. I still get a kick and this doesn't sound disingenuous. If anybody turns up like on a shoot i'm like anything he was in the shower especially when they fly somewhere where i live i do. I think that if you had a thought about something around in the shock being a good example. I love the movie jaws. It was yours anniversary. I love the picture of steven spielberg goofing around in these big like naff like white socks in the shark's mouth and then you go. Hey riyadh you wanna do this. Show you know maybe and you build a shock cheesy looking shock in brooklyn the truck it down to tampa and you sticker the shock mouth when it's actually heard a bunch of the backdrop of black garbage bags in a net cushion and then you end up creating this image which he's floating floating in the sea in in the mouth of the shock and it's amazing and it becomes a meam and you know <hes>. That's you know that's when you can and when people try and what you earn i think when people trust you enough <hes> and that's the equity you get after being in magazines for cinematic time and being booker the person being like come on come come on come and do this and then when the creativity that trust then they show up and that's that's really cool. I want to get to the in style a transition and a second plus us. I think that raises an interesting point because in careers you might have ideas when you're young and just starting out but sometimes sharing those ideas you you are met with a totally different audience. I think a great idea should be you know received a hopefully well and execute but there is something about ideas in the an equity that you build that trust trusting and you can have a great idea and be a younger young person and but not necessarily have the maturity already to carry it out and not have the context so have a social ability <hes> potentially hopefully not you know level of entitlement. There's a lot of that now as we see like. Oh oh i should be able to do this now. Sometimes you can't sometimes you can have your idea but it's gonna have to get the bagel too you know and <hes> i think that there's there's an it's never easy but there isn't ease that comes having the equity behind your ideas but <hes> but also just having the way to be able to persuade people in a way your ideas nothing unless people people come along with you <hes> and so i just being a good person on his hands so pat but like and working well with other people and that and having an ease of communication with people will make everything else it will fall so your ideas more reach more receptive ears. If you're a good creative decent person person worker or or boss as the editor in chief of in style. What is health is part of your job. <hes> it's so performing live and especially from me because i do other stuff like videos speeches and it's tough as in it's hard it's tough physically. Sometimes it's tiring because especially when you have me out there and sell the magazine promote and yeah. I'm in so i will be there'll be laura. Go you know come and meet with this room of advertisers and so take time off and do my my my my my talk you i do. I do do me do me what do you do. I do due bernie sanders but i so i go and do that a lot and also because i'm still new so i still have a lot of people need to mate <hes> i. I do speeches a lot of mass to speak quite a bit. I do townhall things that panels <hes> i do videos i have you know a video. Show bizarre called the look finding a little thing we just goof around with us and i'm doing that again at insults dirty laundry <hes> it literally sit with liberty laundromat and they bring close they all of that together and then it's so it's it's it's tough. Sometimes i can turn on turn on in any any room in but sometimes i just i get. I get worn out. I you have to go to bed early wine at night. You know what i mean. I have to do something because i think because you can you have like i'm lucky to have more than just a print editor string to my bow. I do social media stuff and everything else but because you can do it you know and i think people ask you to do it and so i have to sometimes sometimes learn to say no absolutely. I think we all everybody to say not the right. I'm not very good. I'm getting better now. Why do you think you've gotten better. I think we'll get stretched too thin. I think people don't need to hear from me all the time. I'm an editor. I have to edit myself. I have to edit who i talked to and what i say and after apply hi that skill in my job to the way that i'm conscious because i knew it in style and when the march issue came out my fish you i talked to everyone i was like let's go ahead adler. Everyone was following me around and i'm so glad that are interested frankly but you know i was everywhere <hes> and so i'm i'm conscious of not doing that. I am out again now because i have a new issue that i will get into beauty issue but i i'm conscious of not. I'm going to australia fashion week fashion week in about a month and always asking me and i'm like of dunstall like i'll talk to you and i'm there i can't i can't do it because i think it's too much. I think people will tire of me <hes> and also from my own health sure yeah. You have to sleep yeah. I do what it seems like the dream that you had as a child now essentially attained yes how much yeah this is what you thought it would be <hes> a lot of it. I think that i the mythology is i appreciate people. I say i'm respectful but not reverend. I think also another reason why i got to whatever stage this is. This is i was very i'm kinda down with people don't get intimidated. I don't glorify people too much. I'm very much exist on their level. It's my only child sense of entitlement or whatever ever it is. I can sort of walk in and like what's up. Karl lagerfeld like an it's okay even though i'm respectful but i i just always been easier. We were from me then for all. I don't get cowed by people i guess as as as you know other kinds of i think that that is what has sustained me but also i daren't who i used to think. Were people on the superhighway are just people at work and i see the anger really good example. Example is christy turlington. I use all the time but i met her. When i was a reporter in sydney and she was coming down with elect supermodel nece nuala like yoga shoes doing and i went to interview a one terrible hangover now but i was young it'd be now you know and i was like and she was so nice and i remember i liked her so much ended up telling her that had a tow behind the <hes> but she was at the supermodel and i was just this kid from sydney and <hes> and then we run into each other a couple of times in in new york and we have friends in common now. We're really really close friends. <hes> and i see her life and you know i used to think that you just walking around on the saatchi runways all day and that's that's not how it is <hes> and so i think that that is is the change i still also say if every celebrity or model whatever's don upon i always see the legs always have been able to and it's k- it's now your instagram faces not your everyday face. Whatever that kind of thing is the legs working hard or not. I see that i see that they didn't eat maybe to fit in a gallon. I see that the gown was wasn't working. I saw that they'd been in the papers for some reason. They didn't want to be in the other day. They didn't have control over the film editing. They just put everything into. It didn't work for two years that they all of that stuff. I see that and i know that now. We'll have a lot of more emphasis. I don't always have more empathy for. I have empathy for fancy. People people syncophancy now and i think that that glorified as much i wonder also given your status coming in as truly an outsider yeah. It almost seems like that helped you. A a little bit is one hundred percent because i just i think an appreciation for him <hes> because i'm not from here. I think i have a perspective. I do have an australian perspective. Icon not not have it. You know so i do have can i swear i mean there are limits on guess. I'm the window grandma's. Gonna let fly <hes> you know i don't have a tolerance and and i and so i think that that really helps to <hes> i am straightforward in having straight full compensations and i encourage people to be straightforward with me. It's just refreshing. I think <hes> when it especially in this world now where you know instagram and all of social media there these incredible platforms but they're also these places where there this seems to be this huge amount of fakeness like this fake is all around us and in some respects people are even encouraged me more faith because it's beautiful the picture of the more likely it's going to get whatever exact exactly exactly and and when you're doing when you're in your business in particular killer and it could be around you twenty four seven yes having those real relationships yet is what has to fulfil yeah. I think it's super important to me <hes> i. I didn't realize this and i think again you you businesses. We do our job but we also look at it as a little bit because we do journalists and that's that's sort of. I didn't think that i don't want this to sound anti-israeli myself but i didn't realize i was going to be as is different to a lot of the other people in my businesses. I am <hes>. I think he's where i'm from but also like i i. There's very few people that have a public sense of humor in fashion and <hes> who or who publicly eat spaghetti or why is that i don't know. I think that there's there's there's still this idea of subscribing to an image that people think is fashion <hes>. I don't know i don't i mean look doc people visiting security everywhere. I think that that is what i'm being partially from where i'm from how i was raised how i say things. It's it's important to me to show that to young people <hes>. I didn't realize this doing my thing. I just was like putting up a funny picture or you know or beautiful picture and i like glamor and as much as anybody else but i would get these sort of funny. Little tweets like from like a gay kid in the philippines on twitter. I they want to be on the look so much. I'd be like right back on tomorrow. I'm obsessed with you. You know anybody that is feeling that i'm i'm making this world less scary to to them. Is i really i've taken that on now and that's become my <hes> because i'm very conscious of young girls especially <hes> <hes> and making things look like they can't attain it. You know what i mean. There's lovely things. I like a nice dress in an ice shoe and a beautiful model and the funny comedian whatever whatever it is. I love all of that. I love beauty. I love wheel of fashion. We all think about what we are now on bodies every day. There's a way to transmit it to people where the choices there's and we're not telling them on the may magazine amy schumer i do and it is one hundred and forty genius picks best beauty buys s._p. Eighty by so yeah the beauty issue. This was how to make all of these choices. Oh it's really cool. They have this franchise and installed s._p._d.'s and they poll. They're really diligent because i was like i didn't go there. They do this hugely comprehensive reporting they <hes> paul always beauty insiders industry people and they go hundreds of people and they say what is your best foundation. What is your whatever and they average it out and that's what you get so you get <hes> the best advice from every single person the business it was quite dense before the peterson lots of words and it was quite small images and i was like no no no because it was my spirit with magazines make bolder and and bigger so now you have six or something a page but it's it's extremely clear that this chanel foundation is the best friend i seriously doing this. It is how i decide wish things to use it now and i honestly i think that <hes> i was never particularly <hes> as a magazine reader i would oftentimes skip beauty pages because i found that beauty pages in some titles a not adventurously reported. They're not they just obligatory. They like they go voted the same things over and over again and over again they go to we got the quote from a dermatologist and has said it really does remove fine lines great like i'm asleep. You know so so putting more personality but giving better service at the same time <hes> but i think they kicked us with that. I'm so proud of it and again this hallway. I've tried to approach this issue. Issue is for my own interest as rita what interests me about beauty and why have deer. Amy schumer on the cover is number one because i could have you know it would have been very easy to to launch beauty issue and put model on a who bought her own nose or whatever and say that's what beauty is. That's not responsible and i think i love pretty models but i didn't wanna say on my first one. This is beauty. I aiming on there because she goes. I'm going to say and <hes> and especially in this environment. It's so important to me that voices i as a voice to my stoffel a thomas. It doesn't zanetto what snapchat filter. You're doing what you're reaches. You don't have a voice. You don't have anything <hes> amy has that and also she looks kick ass in that swimsuit like i wasn't wasn't even my plan for the cover. We did a couple of sort of more generic. I wanted to do this. I wanted to shoot her in a pool. I wanna get an above shot of this because i want to either do it for for spread. Read the magazine but i know like i know she'll look great. I think it will say beauty in a way like she's having you know has spa day but it's kind of ironic and funny and <hes> and she just she loved it she and this honestly we've retouched like around her face because she's got like makeup on pool and one tiny thing on the top of her arm the you know when you are up you like it sticks out where your shoulder bonus shirt but not one other thing you know it looks great and i was like i just broke the internet the last week. It's like crazy <hes> and we did this really funny video where we're like asking about like oh my god so funny i said please. Let's do a really on ironic nick english anyway irony free video with amy asking her abusive and i was like what's beauty secret you know really right and she goes toilet paper like just inside like it's so funny like i was you often. Do you get facials when she's speaking someone who's now had three like it just funny and and she's a normal girl and <hes> and then inside what's really cool is <hes> as well as always individual beauty stories as we started a page called beauty mark and it talks about somebody's like red hair or the freckles or they kept teeth or their curves or whatever it is but i sort of expand to that and the twelve magazine and i had four women talk about their signature look so it's debbie harry talking about being loaned obviously asleep brooke shields talking about her eyebrows obviously <hes> but nicole richie talking skin she's mixed race <hes> and talking about she loves us on and gabby suda bay gubbay today <hes> he was in precious and in now in empire writing about vanity and she's the greatest radio man. She's so good and she's so funny but it was really really cool. Age goal has earned page with amazing picture and it's like they couldn't be more different different ages different race different size different everything but they all have this great these great great story so that's really why loved so much and they'll just turned up and told us a story. What do you say to young women who want to get into this industry now work work. Is it worth it. Do you still has major potential. Yes one hundred percents so the people out there who are being told. Don't go after that no. I hate this whole like <hes> crappy talk about print number one. I think what we do have no this is always say journalism or magazines media brand in style for example. It's a great place to be greedy because we now have three hundred sixty degrees of a way to communicate. It's not just the page everything i do on the page has five or six adjuncts online <hes> video <hes> social campaign blah blah blah <hes> and our online runs independently mentally and we have features up there every day and stories and reach over there every day so i'm now. I've i've got this playground that is so much bigger than just the printer <hes> no. I think that there's no better time to get into you. Know always the old fashioned what magazines <hes> because you can you can really tell a story and the challenges you to communicate and all these different forms different levels <hes> and again i there's no better time to have a voice in use. It and that's what i think is i. I go to brands and say this. I say this to my staff. I also estee lauder. Whatever you know there's always ways you can aggregate data. Dan maximize your little good. If you have something to say people will pay attention if you have nothing to say. They weren't doesn't matter what your forum is. If it's if you're you know writing in a in an an attic your your diary or editing a magazine or if you're a politician or if you're an actress or whatever it is have something to say on your distinguish yourself and i that's how the in style is distinguishing itself hardest lesson. You've had to learn along the way <hes> not to be a pleaser. When did you learn that recently. I have ability to get on with other people and i can walk into a room and get on and like oh. She's so fun you know <hes> but after a while being like oh that person and again like i get when most people but this president if i achieve with somebody <hes> like i if i know i'm right. I'm not so worried about it anymore. <hes> especially being a boss <hes> you've got is tough. You have to learn that being a boston. You have to learn that really false and it's hard. It's really hard <hes> to make those decisions which thankfully had to merely make minute v very few but it is hard. It is hard being like armor personnel just want to do the drug wycombe we all olga long or why continents peacekeeping rainbows all day which i think largely it can be but it is hard to make some sort of decision like that <hes> more important important to be respected then liked. I think he can be respected and liked i do. I am not coming out now now i i i think you can absolutely be respected and lie but you also you need to put up with with yeah and <hes> and again. It's not because i've been i've been jazzy. Smiley ozzy forever still won't be until <hes> big o. Pant sometimes worst advice. You've received along the way ride a list like know what five year plan makeup make a plan. What was that saying how to make lawf- the plans right. I mean that stuff. I don't like yeah yeah. You never had out. Never never i just showed up to show up. You know what i mean. Oh i know i have found like i'm laura brown quoting herself. No i always said if people under could don't over think anything you get nowhere from thinking anything not doing it so that's just what happens. If i think something a lot of the time it means i wait too long to actually do the thing well don't over think the email that you're going to send somebody telling them that you think the world of their work and that you love to meet them for coffee. Yeah just just send the email direct can be cool and just get it done done it now these days and everything he damn instagram caption. Let just times too. We also know trust. Trust yourself that. You know enough like you know enough we. We've got jobs for reason because i think lively with what we're doing on some days but you trust yourself yourself that you have your way you offer a reason. You've got potential to grow into whatever role you can be and that you're aware and your look what's around you. Don't doubt yourself in the in those reasons because it never ends well so i think that that's that's really something. I say to people all the time under think. I should trademark that. It's very are offering ten of me the laura brown thank you so much all right. That was useful. It was great. I really genuinely really enjoyed the conversation. I hope you did thank you so much for caring. I do know limits. There's no limits to my services carrying. Take care thank you. Thanks so much for listening to another another episode of no limits. If you like what you heard please make sure to subscribe rate us. Tell your friends and if there's someone you think we should have on the show. Let me nope hope you can tweet me at rebecca jarvis and of course you can follow along with us behind the scenes on facebook instagram and snapchat and special. Thanks to the team here here at a._b._c. That helps make this happen. 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202: H&M's Sweatshirt Snafu, Men's Fashion Week, '90s Style

"I guys this is Lisa and this is Kara. And this is pop fach. Hi, lisa. Guess what? We get is. It's almost Martin Luther King junior day. This is very true. It is also lead the gutter New York we. Oh, I wasn't counting that as this week. But I guess technically this happening in this. How under week it is. So when I see Karna New York this weekend that'll be the first time of senior person and more than a year. Oh, yes. You when I was in d in the D in the spring when I was in DC in the spring. I did not see you, correct. Where you deepen in the spring. Let me know. Was that forty slip? It was so Freudian wasn't frady in at all. Just went right over the shark. Came back. So yeah, we're going to New York or super site. It's been a long time since we shared a hotel room you, and I do well when we are travelling on business together we have done it in the past worked out, just fine. Looking forward to it friend here, man. Maybe we'll ashlin house hummers together. It's kind of like the Muppets take Manhattan except with fashion podcasts as exactly like that Lisa. That was a great comparison that was a one to one what it's going job. Good job. Shall we talk about the glitter elephant in the room as you called it? Now, I don't want to have we have to because I know that our listeners have been paying attention. I know I'm supposed to say, yes. And but I don't wanna Lisa I think you're saying no one I'm gonna complain the whole time. It's the new improv game. Knowing complain. Where I'm like at work. So the Golden Globes unless you've been living under Iraq, which you very well. Maybe I don't know your life the Golden Globe awards this past Sunday night. And instead of the usual, red carpet revelry and booze o'clock award show. It was a different kind of celebration. It was the first major award show sense. The metoo movement has really picked up since major sexual assault abuse harassment allegations have come out against a lot of men in Hollywood most of the women and some of the men banded together to wear black instead of wearing the usual rainbow of festive colors on the red carpet. And I love the way that Robin given talks about this in her article about how effective this was. And then I want Kearns take about how this was she says in the Washington Post the plan to wear black trickled out. Slowly, I was. Gestion then it was part of an orchestrated multi point fundraising and sensitivity raising platform, then it became an all inclusive. Everyone wear black even you folks. Watching the red carpet at home in your pajamas. It was a protest and then a sign of solidarity, and then well, no one quite knows exactly where it's heading the year is young. Then later, she says fashion can best be weaponized when it's allowed to speak boldly in loudly not when it's muffled KARN. How'd you like those black dresses? I would just like to thank the brave men and women. Who decided to wear black to an evening gathering? And of statement. So what I'm hearing is that you think the decision to our black to a black tie event. Not exactly affective in creating social change. Lisa. I just wanna thank the men who took the time to wear black tuxedos when they were planning on wearing black tuxedos. It takes a lot of guts to do that. And of statement are some additional things to say on the topic. Go for it. As someone who's wardrobe contains a whole lot of black. I really appreciate it the creativity and all of those black dresses there weren't too many dresses. I didn't like I thought everybody looked great even Sharon Stone, which I don't know she looked like she was wearing a fishing net. But she could wear the hell out of that vision net. She wore the hell out of it. The thing that. Struck me as off about it is sort of a long the lines of what Robin Davanas saying where you know, the red carpet is usually who are you wearing and this time all the red carpet. People said we're not going to ask you who you're wearing. We're going to ask you what you stand for. Okay. Let's talk about this real quick. Ooh. Fire up your emails people. I know they're coming. I absolutely one hundred percent agree with the idea of ask. Her more ask what you believe in your political thoughts and this year, especially it was about a larger subject matter. But we have to keep in mind that red carpet when celebs get asked to they're wearing a lot of time solidifies designers, and that there's some real money behind that that I heard Christian Syria. No talk about it this year, where he said, you know, this is part of a larger idea of how we survive as artists and designers that we get our closed on an actor and actress they get asked who they're wearing. And then it opens up possibilities for our brand. It opens up opportunities for more creativity within our field. And so I think the problem I have with don't ask who they're wearing is that it always relegates the idea to fashion being stupid and not worthy of discussion where it's like, you don't have to choose one or the other. These things do not have to be at odds fashion as always political even though I wasn't one hundred percent behind the idea of everybody where black it was minimal effort to a very large problem. I do think it illustrates the idea that fashion can't be political, and is political the idea of don't ask who you are wearing because it's too silly reinforces the notion that clothing is silly and stupid when it is a multi billion dollar industry. I agree. I think it is smiling the entire fashion industry to say, we're important to talk about you because thousands of people worked hours to make those beautiful gowns. Most of them were women. Yeah. And I think it is an injustice them not recognized their work. Yeah. And you don't have to choose. There's kind of this thing. You can't be both smart amputee full. You can't be both politically minded and care about your pants like it's a bizarre to -ality that we. Do not have to buy into you say you're wearing and then stand for something that is for thinking about Justice and social Justice. You could do both at the same time. Yeah. Exactly. I love the dresses. I hate the way we approached talking or not talking about the dresses. I'm also very upset at Christiana for putting Kelly Clarkson in that one gold glittery sleeve because that's leave just ruined that whole otherwise beautiful, look, but that's fine. That's my personal beef with Kelly Clarkson's one sleeve thought everybody, look great. And I wish that you know, man would just shut up and yield the floor forever. Anyway. Just got interesting. Text message zanex is only three dollars. And do you want some cookies? Where's Dan X three dollars? Apparently on our insurance plan. I'm going to have to look into that. Because I haven't gotten a refill anyway on next week's episode of Lisa and her own drug problems. Really loves that Santa axe. Okay. Thank you for letting me address the glittery elephant in the room. And we'll see what the rest of award season brings great times in Hollywood, and fashion. Okay. On word. What else you wanna talk about? Do you need to talk about this H M thing? All right. First of all, I'm so proud of everyone out there who emailed the show about the agent debacle and used the phrase dum Dums and their emails. I feel like we are spreading the good word. And I appreciate it. Thank you so much. None of you spell it the same way. But I'm okay. Spell it. However you want. So let's talk aid to them and decision. They made to a jumper. It was sold in the UK. So we can call it a jumper. It's a sweatshirt and it says on it coolest monkey in the jungle. It's green. Here's the problem. The model they put it on a little black. Boy, meanwhile in the same ad campaign. There's a little white boy wearing an orange hoodie that says like survival expert with picture of tiger on it. And so we go back to this issue that we run into a lot about like massive racial insensitivity from big brands who should know better H nem, wait until everybody weeded about this to issue. A response and said, we are deeply sorry that the picture was taken. And we also regret the actual print. Therefore, we have. Not only removed the image from our channels. But also the garment from our product offering globally before this happened agent. Stocks dropped pretty significantly and Stockholm. The weekend said he would no longer work with H nam anymore because he was deeply offended LeBron James and Diddy or whatever we're calling Sean combs these days he and LeBron James both posted edited versions of the photo that showed the little boy wearing a crown and making him the king yet. And I love that. Lebron James said, we as African Americans will always have to break barriers prove people wrong and work even harder to prove we belong. Agent Emma's issues with this before they have sold shirts that looked like concentration camp uniforms. They have had of clothing with unintentional swastikas all over them. There was a ATM item. That looks like Atta starve David on. It is this is this is a multibillion dollar company. Approximately many many people are involved with the creation of products conceptually and by hams tangible products. They're also many many people involved with the way that the brand chooses to photograph and market and advertise these items, and this is one more case where we have to say where was the oversight. You are a global brand. How were you not thinking of global audience that comes in every size, shape and color? Now. Look, am I glad the H M legit said. We are sorry. Yes. Because usually get sorry after the stock drop. Yeah. Look, look, they could've said we regret any missing, tended, whatever whatever. And not really said that we are. Sorry. I am trying to get what I can get this point because we have seen so many shitty. Apologies over the years of this podcast. Is that what we're asking? Just the minimum of knowledge that it was wrong. And we're okay with it. I'm not impressed by hey, we did something wrong because our standard of apology is so low I think our standard of apology is that low because it has been lowered by the brands that we hear shit from every day. I'm not saying that it should be this low. I'm not saying that I should be happy by this. But I think it says something that I am impressed at this response after a fuck up like this Kearns unimpressed. And should I twain that don't impress me much? No, no, girl. This is one of those times when I. I wish we use music Michaud because. And I think that's still infringement having all this says to me is that you have zero diversity in your staff at all levels. That's what it says to me. That is true. I don't know that numbers wise for sure, but we can make a pretty close assumption based on what we've seen over the years. I'm making my own observation. Yes. Yes. That's a legit observation. It's just really disappointing. All we want are some seven dollar t-shirts agent. For some seven dollar teachers that maybe aren't made with like child labor, so low the bar. So the bar really is that low one eighteen who we're building this distortion world up in new bitcoin by bitcoin. Okay. But anyway, dumb dumbs next story. Can we go onto the next story? It was really upsetting. And I like, I can't imagine being a mother of child who could have ended up wearing you know. Let's do positive story. Oh, you've got one of those. Yeah. Do American Eagle outfitters had a good holiday season. Great story store sales increased by Apor sent last month. The company reported its eleventh consecutive quarter of increased sales growth. What one this is big news because teen stores have been on the Fritz for the past number of years them showing growth and having a positive holiday sale season is a wonderful surprise. There have been so many of those stores that have been right on that at that bubble. We've talked about him for years. Good news to have any insight on what made their holiday so successful. We don't know yet. They are supposed to a large report in March where hopefully we'll get some insights on if it was because of a new ad campaign is because of training within stores if the market is just turning around as a whole. Remember Abercrombie and Fitch was the one that we were talking about so much because they weren't just tanking. They did some huge things to turn sales around including having the colored black and their store turn down the music doing things with the lighting. And I wondered if there was something similar going on with American Eagle outfitters. And if they were making just very specific strategic choices that led to a larger sales growth but good to hear regardless. My prediction weaking back in check. This March report comes out, but my suspicion is that they're strongest areas for holiday sales are for Denham. Yeah. And for inner wear I don't wanna call lingerie because it's a team store, and that's kind of weird, but the area brand of underwear and brow. Let's and stuff is really strong. So we're gonna come back to those two categories when we look at that quarterly report, you are so smart because you you are you are so smart because the thing that I've noticed. About their products, and their offerings that underwear collection is so strong and are using real models part of that real model campaign where they're not doing Photoshop. They're being thoughtful about their model choices it doesn't mean. It's all perfect. But I do think that they're positioning themselves correctly. And they have the stuff to back it up because I like their underwear I think it's good. It lasts longtime. It does last a long time. It does and their Denham has always been strong. Agreed. And they're tapped into a teen market that it's a solid product at a good price point that parents can purchase from that place. Yeah. Teen story or not afraid to bring your mom and dad into right? Saying says me as a team I am a team. I don't have good news there. You know, I always have news about what's closing, Sears holdings has informed employees at sixty four K marts and thirty nine Sears locations that it's going to be closing those stores between early March and early. April liquidation sales are starting right about now. They informed employees that everybody who's getting let go from a store that's closing. They're going to get some severance, and they can apply for open positions at other K marts and Sears locations in the area. Yeah. Oh, so they're not just automated moving them over there, saying reapply, they have to reapply. Gotcha. So based on how Sears KMart seems to be doing these days, I'm curious as to how many of those people will actually be able to reposition and other locations or already have enough or too much staff, especially because we're looking at after the holidays now when they don't need quite as much I looked at the store closing list and a lot of these stores. I looked at the states where I kind of have an idea where those Sears locations where like back in Pennsylvania and Maryland, and they're not in terribly urban areas or areas that are very well populated by other options for that type of shopping. I see I wonder if there's going to be a hole in the market and a lot of these locations where the Sears or KMart is shutting down then you have to think about you know, where those people are going to be able to find jobs they can get to if they don't have transportation. So the ripple. Effect of retail closings is just continuing on. Interestingly enough, I saw today that land's end is planning to expand its physical store offerings. And you may remember that in two thousand two Sears bought lands end and started offering its clothing inside at stores that one south. I forgot about that. It was that's like you remember to celebrities that have no dealings with each other start dating. And you're like how did that happen? How did that happen? Julia roberts. I did not know. So deal the relationship between them or it was like nailing down the school uniform market and alas Sears stores because lands end has all of those uniform basics that relationship ended in a year that I don't remember which one it was, but you can still find some lands and items sold in Sears stores, but it's interesting that all Sears is contracting. Its number of stores. And as offerings lands end is feeling strong enough to open physical locations. Good for them. This is a little little insight because laid it has good shit. Just just my personal feeling. It's well constructed. It's well-constructed any no what I breezed through some lands end stuff on Sears that was marked down to ridiculously low prices. And I bet you lands end isn't happy at its brand being diluted by the never ending cycle of department store. Sales ABSA frequent Lutely coming in hot today is she really going out with him unlikely. Couples. Let's name some who are unlikely couples H and M in the weekend. Who would out with each other? And you were like really that really happening. Oh, you know. Elizabeth moss. Was dating front Armagh, San I think they may have gotten married, but then they got unmarried because maybe she was a scientologist, and Fred was not cool with that. Or maybe because he's a real big dick allegedly. What Hollywood is mess up? Stop dating everyone. Stop it all of you. I me and anyone that's an unlikely Cupo. Oh, burn on myself. That's not true. That's not true. I have two cats. I'm not alone. Gosh, Brittany spears and Colin Farrell us to go out. What Shiloh buff went on a date with riana? No. Did you just Google weird celebrity couples? Yes. Okay. Rita some more because I'm sure it's a real like a site with a real good reputation, like celebrity odd, couples dot com with hyphens and between all the words. Here's what I never. Understood. Mariah Carey Nick cannon never just that one. Yeah. I understand completely Moby and Natalie Portman. That's not too weird. Oh, do you. Remember when Madonna data Dennis Rodman? Now that was a weird couple. Bats a couple. He's trying to save us from North Korea or something, right? Let's hope let's hope somebody's gotta do it. I don't know if Madonna's trying to save us from anything. Wrinkles. She's had work dominee. No it allegedly. Shall we move on? Yeah. I was a lot of fun. But sure, let's talk about retail. You're like, well, I was trying to have fun. No complain about it. Do have a good piece of news. Nathan Gendelman is back at Diane. Von furstenberg. This could be good news. If you remember Devi f- had a crazy end to twenty seventeen drama all over the place. I she announced that she wanted to sell an equity stake, and her company a few days later Jonathan Saunders resigned as chief creative officer happened really quick Devia. Just doubts that Nathan Gendelman will be taking Saunders place. He previously worked at the brand for ten years. He was there from two thousand one to two thousand eleven and his role. He will oversee all design for the brand and his first collection will show and February because the fashion world is insane. He just got that job last week, and you show what February the poster child for. Why you don't burn bridges? Diane might call you go up and be like, hey, you free right now. Do you feel like making an entire collection in about seven days come on over friend? I've been watching product roll my I'm ready for this. Is this a two-day challenge? It's a ten day challenge. Lisa get it straight. Wow. That's luxury us a little bit about Jenin's background. He studied at Saint Martin's. And at the Royal College of art he had an apprenticeship with John Galliano while he was at DV f the first time around he launched his own label and left to pursue that line. He recently worked with global brands group. So this is a guy that's got a great resume in my opinion. I think that he had a great run of years at Diane von Furstenberg. I liked Saunders designs thought it was a really fun exciting time while he was at DV f but there's something about genders work that I thought was very approachable his designs could be worked into everyday life, really easy. There isn't approach approachability to his design that I hope will work its way back into Devi F, and maybe she won't wanna sell that stake anymore. I don't know. Maybe she's done. This is her version of putting her sights on another type of work because she worked so hard on this brand I've read that she really wants to do politically active work. Maybe she's just end for the next chapter chapter for sure, but I don't really see her ever being done. You know, if you like always things about she would reflect my future in which I never be able to retire at all die slumped over my desk at nine o'clock at night. Hey, lisa. I have the same plan. Everyone's doing it these days, we're gonna diner dust going to be great. Yeah. Desk, Gloria full-time jobs at the age of seventy five. Yeah. It's the future. Lisa cool. I'm psyched, I have another retail closing tell you about briefly Marc Jacobs is going to close its London store and several other European locations. A spokesperson for LVMH which oversees the brand did not comment, but the closings are. Pretty much set to happen. The Paris location is going to stay open. This has been part of a multi year restructuring of the Mark Jacobs brand you may remember that Marc Jacobs was the artistic director at Louis Vitton, also of the LVMH umbrella brand he left there in twenty thirteen to focus on his own brand. But in the same span of years, you know sense than has shut down the Marc by Marc Jacobs brand has shut down some mainline Marc Jacobs locations. I forgot that Marc Jacobs had a bookstore that closed down. Yeah. Yeah. You bookmark with a C for Allosaurus in the US have closed some international stores have closed. I don't think this is a warning bell for Marc Jacobs. I think this is a continued move in a restructuring and a drawing in of the brand to really refine it, do you think is Brandon? Struggling or they sincerely doing a restructuring. I don't know if the brand is struggling I don't know if I would go that far. I think there is something to be said about pulling back when you've expanded too far, and it doesn't make sense to have a brand. That's that big. And that diffuse the market has changed so much in the past few years. I understand why they would pull back pour money into other outlets or to just decide to use money differently. That I understand but closing in London. Sounds big. Yeah. Closing in London seems to be a pretty big move. But I can only imagine that London location is a pretty expensive spot something with maybe a smaller footprint may open the future. But I think the brand has been doing a lot over the past couple of years to elevate itself by closing the outlet stores by shutting the Marc by Marc Jacobs line. And if Haiyan is what they're going for. I think they're headed in the right direction. I was sad when they decided to shutter Marc by Marc Jacobs because it was so fun. It was just such a fun line. But if they want to reinvest that money into the future of designing towards a more luxury clientele. It was good move. Yeah. You don't belong in LVMH by selling off price goods Kenya. Repeat that for the people on the back. Yes. I'll be waiting in line for my invitation enjoying LVMH any day now. It's gone. Hennessy. Heck, yes. Just wondering on a business car. Don't you? I just want those four letters a lot of people want like MD, ph D. I want LVMH at the end of my business card. Bring it baby. I dream big. Okay. I understand. I will be your cheerleader all the way through right on. I've got LVMH dreams on an H in them. But okay, let's move on tells them other fashion news, you got some other stuff. Yes. Yes. And ended. Just in case, you did not know Amazon did really well in twenty seventeen really probably other ones. Heady ruxton. Here are some stats Amazon had forty four percent of all s e commerce sales in twenty seventeen. That's a big statement. They had four percent of total retail sales this year. That's an estimated two hundred billion dollars in sales. Now, you may say what does the to do with fashion everything there? Apparel category grew by thirty two percent. It is estimated that by twenty twenty their global apparel sales could be eighty five billion dollars. So they're not getting smaller people. They are getting bigger. They wanna take over bigger chunks of the apparel industry. One thing to keep in mind as you're like, yeah. Yeah. We know that Amazon wants to sell more clothes. They're also interested in the beauty. Category. Beauty grew by forty seven percent and twenty seventeen that's a total of almost four hundred million dollars now to give you a point of comparison, though. So there in one corner with four hundred million dollars in sales for Amazon and the other corner think of this as a comparison Ulta beauty had almost five billion dollars and sales and twenty sixteen. That's the latest that we have had diggity Ulta for real Amazon sales are small comparison. But the thing that they have is that they grew by forty seven percent and one year, and they want more they want more of that beauty pie. So I have a prediction that Amazon is going to bring smaller beauty brands into their fold. I think they're going to reach out for smaller brands and try to bring them into Amazon so that can grow that category by buying them. Or by offering them, a better incentive to be a third party seller. I think it's gonna. Start off as third party at eventually turn into something where they want to have exclusive rights to specific product or specific line. The thing that we've got to understand about Amazon as that they're not out to compete with brands. They want it. I don't think this is going to happen in the next year. But I do think this is a longer term strategy on how they want to have a hold on specific products. And I know that one of the hangups for a lot of people in buying beauty products or health products may be vitamins along those lines something that you either injust or put on your body. There's a bit of a hesitation about ordering from Amazon because of the amount of third party sellers. Because you're not always sure where something's coming from his Amazon shipping it out if it some random guy Omaha. I think there's a heightened sensitivity about am. I getting the quality of product that I'm expecting when you buy something like a health and beauty product on Amazon. You know, it's not like. Ordering the cord to hook up your TV to your computer, which I finally got which like is not gonna poison me if it's the wrong one, right? It's going to be made to a certain standard. And I'm gonna know as soon as I opened the package, whereas a beauty product may be sealed when it gets to you by you don't know what happened to for it got an packet. And I think getting over that integrity consideration is a big one for a lot of people who may still be going to brick and mortar stores to get a lot of those related products. I would like to allow room for consideration that the beauty vertical made look different in the future. Tell me more I would like to allow room for thought or discussion about how Amazon may break off, its, beauty and fashion categories. So some of these issues can be addressed that it becomes its own entity. I would not be surprised if there were some kind of cultivation of different type of user experience around the fashion beauty categories that takes care of some of those concerns again, I don't think this is something that's going to happen in the next year. But I'm really thinking about their long term strategy and how they what to be a player in these places. So what you're saying is Gary for some innovation. Yeah. Absolutely face it. You should always be ready for some innovation at this point. Yeah. Hold onto your butts. So what was it? Forty four percent of all commerce purchases last year were Amazon. Yeah, that's like higher than any president approval rating ever. To put in perspective. Yeah. Just a number spectrum. More people are shopping on Amazon than like any president ever. It is all one to one apples to apples comparison them make such me. Can I please? Can I please talk about fanny packs? Yes, you can. And can you define what fanny means in our country versus what it might mean in some other places. So here's some other phrases. That mean, the same item a bum bag a belt bag a waste bag here in the states. A fanny pack is a little bag attached to about that. You wear on your hip. Thank you for allowing me to make that cultural distinction. Good call. Because I hear that Fannie can mean other things in other places. So that's why I want to say it, and as the proper southern woman, you are just wanted to clarify. Yeah. Longtime listeners may recall that we've talked about fanny packs before and the new surge in popularity of these items. But we're gonna talk about them again KARN. Seems to remember the last time we talked about them. What what did you say? You remember from that conversation Carin? I remember you saying something negative about them. And being like, no, I love them. I wanna fanny pack. I won't one and you being like, what are you talking about? And there was this little blip on the screen. This is a couple of years ago where there were a few brands that were putting out new ones, and then the kind of disappeared for a little while. But it sounds like they are back. More people are catching on this time around. Yeah. And how the tables have turned because I'm the one sitting here who apparently was just poo pooing fanny packs back in the day. And now I own one. Yeah. I wear when I go out dancing. So I don't have to rely on my pockets or purse get on the train, and I have little to. No shame about wearing the same fanny pack with whatever outfit. I happen to be wearing. But enough about me the reason we're talking about fanny packs because last year EBay sold more than fifty seven thousand of them. Oh, golly EBay has a top. Shop report every year and the twenty seventeen report was released last week. And they said more than fifty seven thousand fanny packs were purchased on the online marketplace last year, they were among the most popular eighties and nineties street where items that EBay at has made a huge comeback. They're a couple of other items from the time that are popular again on EBay, including champion sweatshirts. Adidas superstar sneakers Reebok classics and Nike Cortez sneakers. If you search EBay right about now fashion east reports that there are still about fifty thousand results for fanny packs, they're not running out inventory, but they look into the reasons that maybe the fanny packs have become so popular we are going through a time where retro items are popular. And right now, the era of vintage that is coming into vogue is the early to mid nineties. So I think it sits in two. The cycle of fashion common ground that Fania acts are part of that era. That's coming back into the scene. There is also the new style of wearing a fanny pack as a cross body bag instead of around your waist supreme has definitely done this in some of its ads runway shows, I don't think it's particularly comfortable. But I think it's a look, especially if it says the premodern it because that looks as I got money, Honey, exactly. And you have to think about EBay as where people go when they don't wanna pay a retail price for something. Right. The other reason they go to EBay is if they can't find something in the store. So if you're maybe a store like an urban outfitters or something that specializes in like trendy street wear and you've got a couple of different kinds of fanny packs, but maybe they're sold out because you only ordered five hundred of them because you weren't sure they were gonna go over really big. Well, even if you're sold out somebody can still go on EBay and find something from back in the day. That's going to fit the style. Instead of they're looking for because there are so many out there. I can't tell you anything about the integrity of the zippers or of any stretch in the material or things dry rotted on these vintage fanny packs, but they're having a bit of a heyday approved. You know, the new Cardi B video came out, and it's all about the in living color, and I was looking at the video, and it's really featuring Cardi B, but come on. I was looking at all the clothes, and I just I was young when all that was going on. But there's something so joyful and happy about that early nineties era of clothing. It was bright. It was fun. It was fun. It was weird. And right now, I think anything that comes along in clothing form that feels like a celebration. I'm kinda for it. What do you think? Lisa. I'm I'm a hundred percent for it anything that brings a little bit of fun into our day. This point is great. I also always laugh at myself. And I don't know if I told the story, but my first fanny pack was very slim one designed for runners, and the idea was that it would not show under an untucked shirt at all when I was out in it. And I would try to shove my phone and my lipstick on my money in there. I was maybe overdoing it on. What that nine dollar fanny pack from Amazon could hold. And. At the club. I go to unzip it and I rip the effort right off it. Hold on for in my hands. And I'm clutching at my waist to keep everything from falling out. That's when I knew I might need to spend more than nine dollars on a fanny pack, you go then I bought the twelve dollar version, and it's great and has like three different pockets in it. And you know, nobody looks like a ninety s mom quite like, I do when I wear it. But look, look, and here's where fashion gets political. I'm gonna bring it back to this. There was a great conversation on our Twitter feed yesterday, including a woman that I happen to know from where and CARA banks, she is a personal finance educator. She has a podcast or her podcast is called, oh, my dollar, and she was procrastinating on a project yesterday related to writing what she does a lot of and she chose to catalog every item in her wardrobe instead of doing the work that she was supposed to be doing calling you out Lillian. And so she tweeted and shared with us a pie chart of the number of skirt. She owns with pockets. So forty two percent of her skirts. Have pockets fifty percent of her skirts. Do not have pockets and eight percent of her skirts. Have what she calls crappy lady pockets. I would like to posit a theory yet if we didn't have these crappy lady pockets, and we put more pockets and more garments for women the need for the fanny pack would drop dramatically. This is an amazing theory cosign coming to go out on a limb assume that Lillian is a woman with a pretty average size wardrobe. She's not some mogul with gigantic closet. I'm pretty sure that this chart reflects what's in most of our closets right now. So find the eight percent of your crappy lady pockets berm them in a fire. And what I mean by that is donate them to good cause and start over Vienna. The other day he went to go put his ipad away. And I thought he was going to have to take a bag with him. And he said, no, that's okay. And he opened up his coat and put the entire Pat and his pocket. And I said what a jerk. I said, no, that's amazing. I love you. And I hate how close are designed. Sometimes I can't believe he was able to put that in his pocket, and he was two days in a row. I need to preface by saying I bought two new to me blazers online over the holiday. I wore one for the first time yesterday, and I were different blazer today that I had worn before. So I wasn't a stranger to it. And both days. I did that like subconscious thing ride lifted the left side out to see if there is an inside pocket, and then I'm like looking at maybe it's on the right side. Nope. You don't have one because you're a lady why do you deserve an interior breast pocket. Let me tell you why. Because I have a phone, and I don't want my my flaps flap in when I have it in my waist pocket. So too much to ask this is why you need a Sou NFL any pack because that look is really big right now do you like high acted that? Alec. I was a teen pterodactyl. Leases opening and closing jacket right now, you're going to have to fix all those overlapping ideas that we just have in which I caught myself a teen pterodactyl. That's how I think of you to Lisa anyway, you should let us know your thoughts on fanny packs because I just wanna see what your tweets look like on this topic. We wanna see the social media that comes out of not not saying, you should do it for me. But who else are you doing it for let's talk about men's fashion? Always besides envious of their pocket game. Let's talk about John Vado's. He is showing on January twenty six in New York. He is going off calendar and doing a runway show at the start of Grammy's weekend in New York because we have obviously embraced chaos. New York fashion week is good place to catch the flu could place to get the flu. Of course. All right, February fifth through seventh is New York fashion week men's and February fifth through fourteenth is New York fashion week. So there's a kind of a subset and there for men's fashion, but it's really kind of that whole time. He's going outside of that calendar to do a show in January and February it's a backup a little bit. The Grammys are coming back to New York. Nobody cares because. Oh, I was about to ask. Nobody cares. Why? Nobody cares. Because really are the Grammy's any indication of what's going on in music these days anyway, come on. That's another show Cardi B's invited. That's another show in another argument. However is the first time back to New York since two thousand three so he's attaching himself to this event for showing his collection. Here's what happened the portion of New York fashion week shifted by a week to correspond with women's fashion week. So that's how they're overlapping for Vado said, quote, we weren't sure how we were going to show again in New York and had talked about doing a party as early as last fall. So when they moved up the dates, we thought it would be a fun thing to do his runway show will be at a former synagogue on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. There are going to be a lot of stars in town for the Grammy's, my guess is that there are going to be a rock and roll stars at this event not to show. Abby some good planning. It's also perhaps strategically placed for press Paris men's shows and on January twenty first New York fashion week begins on February fifth. So there is a gap and show coverage, and he's going to be right in the middle of that gap. This guy's a genius. This is kinda smart isn't in the past purveyed 'as showed his collection in Balon. He showed it there for seven years, but when men's fashion week broke off and became its own thing and twenty fifteen he was the marquee designer for that event, but he didn't show at that event last year that was a big deal when it broke off to become its own thing. Because at that point there was a real belief that men's fashion week would sustain on its own. But then there's kind of this fuzzy period afterwards, and then kind of decision to attach to women's fashion week. But he was the person here was a driving force behind like if he's showing here, maybe other men's designers can show here at the specialized New York. Men's fashion week two. Yeah. So a question that we were asking last year was is this the end of New York fashion week, as we know it so many designers were breaking away from it and showing and Paris or making decisions to show in different parts of the country. If you remember there was even some people who were saying, hey, we're not gonna do New York fashion week, but we're gonna go to California and show some runway shows and California. So there are plenty of people doing things outside the fashion calendar. It's not surprising that he has this relationship with music that he wants to explore a little bit his past designs have been really influenced by rock and roll. He was born in Detroit. He opened up a store recently, and Detroit, which is a big music city in our country. He's talked about in the past how rock and roll runs through the veins of his brand. So there is a connection to music there. But is it a big deal that somebody with Vado's talent is breaking off and attaching themselves not to New York. Week, but to another big event now, I think the runway climate has become so muddled and so crowded that anything you can do to get a tension out of that prescribe timespan for your city or country. If you can do it strategically you should do it because this is a move that is catering towards his customers. And I think that's the most important move to make this point. So it's not about the collective power of New York fashion week bringing a bunch of press there. It's about the decision to do the best thing for your brand and your specific audience. Heck, yes. All right. Devil's advocate. Do you miss bringing in new people to your designs if you are only catering to the audience that's already defined? No. Because even though you're going to host a show for specific audience. I e the Grammy attendees they're still going to be. Tons of photo and video from your show. People are still going to see your stuff, and you're still gonna get new eyeballs maybe for him because he's a powerhouse. Yeah. Yeah. Like, the press is still going to go to that show. They're still gonna write about it, even though it's off schedule, and that's probably going to be to benefit. Yeah. So like, I wouldn't recommend it for someone who's an up and comer, but I think for someone who's this established. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. It's smart doesn't make the weather any better still going to be cold as heck. But maybe there's going to be a lot of good coats love good coat. You'll be seeing me and a good coat in about five days. Carne get ready. Won't be in my bed with my vote. Oh, yeah. Do you think it's turning into a free for all? Yes. It's been a free for all for a long time. I don't think it's been a free for all for a long time. But it's been bubbling under the surface for a number of years. I'm not saying it's chaos on the level of like a three year old's birthday party trampoline. Gym. But I think people are making their own rules now because New York fashion week is an organization hasn't given them. A compelling reason to stay within the lines. Ooh. That's so painful, but the truth resonates. Oh, right. No, I'm sorry. New York fashion week you need to hear it. Sometimes the truth is hard, Lisa, right? I'm not saying a mad was disappointed disappointed that it's not pulling through as the powerhouse. At Wentz was or that designers going outside to find an answer, the former I think designers, can do whatever they have to innovate. Well, let us know. What you think about that one? Do not at me stand by what I said. I said what I said and the words of needy leaks. Should we move on listener letters, do it? I'm gonna start with a brief tweet that I'm still mulling over. So cheesy says big fan of your show. Have you heard of the app? Good on you cool idea but rating old navy H M forever. Twenty one is ethical companies is the joke peak around tell me what you think have you tried this up. I have not. But I love that it's named after one of our segments of our show. I think good on you the app may have been developed concurrently as the good on you segment on our show. Not the way I tell this story. But this website and app has developed a rating system about ethics and environmentalism. I have not spent enough time with the app yet. But I wanted to throw it out there because I'm wondering if other people have used it, and what you think because we talk a lot about the idea of fast fashion companies and weather what they're doing for the environment or for ethical fashion. You know, whether they're doing enough for it to be worth the effort. So she raises a good point on whether it's like worth rating these gigantic companies, but let us know what you think I want to know if you've used the good on you app or website. And what you think and we will revisit this perhaps next week. Let's see here is a question from Amanda, and I'm springing this on car. And so we may not have an answer this week. But we'll see how it goes. Amanda says I am shop mahalick over the years. I overbought aiding. This is always been a form of therapy. One thing I noticed I get this small rush of excitement from just buying something new for my wardrobe to give you a full picture of my shopping problem. I have turned an entire room into a closet. I have of a small walking closet full of my clothes. I have another half of another room full of my clothes basement full and you speak slower, please. And lower. I went to imagine this. Okay. Lisa continue basement full of clothes and shoes with a bunch of more clothes and shoes. But I want to get rid of so all in all one entire room to half closets and a large portion of my basement full things for my wardrobe. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate you. Indulging me. That was really sexy. To half closets at one entire okay? Factual. Amanda, she says you may ask why I need this much stuff. All I can say, I do not need all this stuff. But buying has been a huge problem. For me. Needless to say, I'm working on my own personal demons to figure out why I have this addiction to shopping. My main question here are there. Any good sights. Good suggestions for learning to shop in your own closet. I am determine this year to conquer this addiction. But I would love some help along the way. Thank you for any insight, and I look forward to hearing from you a die hard fan of pop fashion. Amanda KARN has our resident silenced. I know that one of the things that you would do with your clients was to go through cigarette outfit combinations in someone's closet. And then I believe you would take photos of them. Yes. Dressed in those outfits. But I wonder if there's any solution for Amanda that doesn't require having a buddy to take your picture. First of all, Amanda, I'm so proud of you for recognizing this and dealing with it. And then talking about it to over shopping as something that's very common. But people don't address a lot in their lives. As far as like, what does this mean, am I doing it for particular reason? And the fact that you're being reflective about it says a lot about who you are as person and just the strength of character there. I really want to congratulate you for that. Because it takes a lot of guts to be like, why am I doing this on anything in anybody's life to be like, why am I why am I always eating cookies or whatever it just takes a lot of guts. Always eating cookies. Here's here's something that Kearns thinking about this. And here's something that comes up for me. Amanda, is that your personal demons are yours tomato personally over a course of time. Right. You're not going to solve this issue for yourself tomorrow. But if you turn to a tool to work with your wardrobe, you risk getting caught up in the tool and not really making progress with the demons, you know, so I'm not saying that you need to get rid of a certain amount of clothing. Like, I don't know what your goal is in either reducing what's in your closet or using it more wisely. But you may have to do this longhand at first until you get to the point where closet is edited down to a point where you feel like it's manageable. And that you can get creative with interchanging pieces into outfits. I wonder if. A series of capsule collections will actually help this problem. Meaning you go into your closet, and you pick out thirty pieces you get a bar where you put those thirty pieces, and there's no going in and out of your closets. Your multiple closets and tell us everything within the thirty pieces they've pulled. And so then it becomes like you start to train yourself to us. What you have and limited numbers because when we have so much it can be overwhelming to the point of we get stuck. How do I deal with this stuff? And so if you pull thirty pieces and start from there and challenge yourself and make two game. How many days can I get out of this thirty piece capsule collection? And if you get stuck try it for two weeks, see what you can make at the end of that she weeks decide what pieces did I really love what pieces did I I was kinda mad about keep the ones that you love get rid of the ones you don't and then build another. Thirty piece collection out of what you already own do at five times. See what happens see what you fall in love with because part of this is falling in love with what you already have. And if you have that much to work with Mike is you'll find tons of different ways to put together different outfits. But because there's so much grist in the mill you can't really deal with it right now. So get a small collection together and say if I only have these pieces what can I do? Yeah. And car and says do it five times, and that might be five times over the course of a year. You know, you don't have to do it constantly and expect huge results of yourself and take a season by season. There's no need for you to be going through summer stuff. Now. I have no idea where you're located. You could be in Australia. But there's no reason for you to be going through summer stuff. Now, would you should be focusing on the winter stuff that you might actually be wearing at this time of year? So go with the natural instincts of the seasons. Take this one bite at a time. Time. What is it the expression the only way to eat elephant? And I think my fear is that the tools may hinder true progress for you because you know, what's on every shopping or clothing app is pictures of more closer gonna want. Yes. So true could point stop looking at Instagram for awhile for your own good for my own good. Maybe start thinking of as an outlet for your creativity. Sometimes I think we try to change something about ourselves. We go into restrictive mode of a can't I can't I can't cut it out cut it out cut out, maybe framing this in a way of how creative can I be each day with this grouping? It could be fun, and it could become just another way that you engage creatively with your life. Kudos for come this far. Yeah. It takes a lot to admit that you have any teams at all down demons. Come in the form of a walk in closet. A room turned into a closet and other. Closet girl. Keep us posted. We're rooting for you. We also know from Emily who says highly Sutton car, and I'm writing about your December twenty first show, you talked about Amazon, buying domain names related to bitcoin and currency. I write about scams for the Better Business Bureau in with Lisa on this topic. I think purchasing these domains is a way to prevent scammers from using Amazon's name. It's a super common technique scammers by domains that look like those belonging to real businesses are us businesses name as a sub domain. Shopper should always make sure they are on the correct domain in this case, it would be something like Amazon dot com slash bitcoin or bitcoin dot amazoNcom. Hope this helps Emily wonderful. What a great Email smart. Thank you smart lady. I think Evelyn I write about some of the same stuff in our day jobs. We have one more letter from Russia who says I was listening to last week show. And I have a small. Target up the street. I live in walking distance from the university of Cincinnati. It's midwest urban. So there are lot of smaller footprint shops, we've smaller Kroger to it's two floors. And there is a bar upstairs. You can sit and drink and watch TV and look at people shopping on the first floor. I meet people there sometimes for meetings. Anyway, the target is really small, but it does have a small selection of clothes in a decent selection of food and drinks. They have a lot of stuff you'd need for a dorm room or rental house and good size Tron IX area for this is also quite a bit of makeup and bodycare stuff. The clothes are definitely geared to college students. Only self-checkout is very prominent. But there are a couple of people there to check you out the old fashioned way. There's also a target car. It looks like a small van and drive students back and forth to the store. There's also a parking garage that was there before target. But now specific spaces in that garage for target parking only for me. I don't go. There a ton because there is. Enough products there for me. However, it is basically right on campus. So lots of students walk there. It just opened the summer I'm going to guess in the summer. It will not have as many customers. The thing that may excited about this Email because during that conversation we were talking about box stores and how they can perhaps start meeting the needs of the community where they are. And so the idea of this target car or of the shuttle going back and forth to a college campus because that's what is needed in order to deal with the reality of who. They're shopper is got me really excited to be like who else is going to do this in the marketplace is going to think through the logistics of how does our shopper get here. How do they go home? What do they actually need? And what are they looking for when they're here and that coming from a large name it makes me excited to think about the possibilities? That are out there to not reinvent what your brand is. But to just think of it from a customer, a shopper point of view. Yeah. This is really smart. They opened one of those small targets right on the edge of campus. Where I went to school at university of Maryland. But they did it several years after I graduated, and I was pretty bummed that I missed it. Because before that it was either you had a car or you can walk to see the ass or you could take the bus to the metro two stops away to get off and walk a little ways to the target. And then bring it all back. You know, it's tough as a college kid, especially in on a huge campus who may not have their own transportation to get those normal household things. So this is genius on targets part the target car. Like, Hello genius. Meet your customers where they are. And a lot of them are on college campuses. They need toilet paper and paper towels just like the rest of us, and they need red cups, really, really bad. They need red cups, and they maybe need a couple of ping pong balls. Just put those in the same aisle next to one another be. Love twenty two year old Lisa. Okay. Those are all the listener letters that. I have I'm going to detox memory now if you would like to get in touch with us this week, go to pop fashion podcast dot com. There are tons of ways to get in touch with us there. You could write us letter. You can follow us individually on Twitter, you could also shop our Amazon link. It is a yellow box on our home page click that link it will take you to Amazon it will cost you nothing extra, but it will help out the show and just reminder that if you tune in next week it's going to be a totally different show because we're going to be on location at the national retail federation big show in New York. So we're getting bundled up for our wintertime adventure. And we'll talk to you next week.

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Lauryn's Favorite Things - 2019

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Lauryn's Favorite Things - 2019

"The following podcast is a deer media production. This episode is brought to you by skill share skill shares and online learning space offering more than twenty thousand courses. I'm currently using the platform to learn a bunch of different skills that we have talked about many times on this show does the tool for brands and individuals acquire new skills or take Naba skills to an expert level think it is the net flicks for learning skills online so join. The millions of students already learning on skills today with a special offer for our listeners. Get two months of skill share for free. That's right go. Shares offering the skinny confidential him in her listeners. Two months of unlimited access to over twenty five thousand classes for free to sign up skill share dot com slash T. S. see again go to SKILLJAM DOT COM SLASH T. SC To start your two months. Now that skill shared dot com slash T. S. C.. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire fantastic and. He's a serial entrepreneur a very smart cookie. And now Lauren efforts in Michael Bostick bringing you along for the ride major illness. Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her. Welcome back to the Oprah show. Well not the Oprah show this is actually the skinny Hump Financial Heaven Her podcast. And you just have me Lord Everett's but today we are getting info from the Oprah show because we are doing lawrence favorite things now. I took this list as serious as a heart attack. I literally curated each item on this list for you guys and went through everything I've ever talked about in the last year and made sure that the things that needed to happen. Were on this list so I hope if you are in a pickle about what to give your boyfriend or your boyfriend's mom Tom or your sister or your producer the Bernie cucumber. You can go to this list and use it as a resource. Everything on this like I sad is curated. I hand picked it. I made sure it was something that would bring it. The person that you're giving a gift to tons of value. And so what I'm GonNa I do WanNa break down each thing on the list. It's a long list and then I'm GonNa link everything I talk about on the blog. If you're not into listening to the the holiest you can just head to the blog and Google Lawrence favorite things two thousand nineteen or the first article that POPs up. It'll be there or you can listen to the breakdown and then go to to the blog and order or whatever you WANNA do. It's on the blog. It's on the PODCAST. It's up to you however you like to shop best and so like I said I'm going to go through each title on this list and tell you why it's a must've we're going to get very specific as usual. Michael is not on this episode. Because I just feel like he doesn't need to be here for this ask Mrs more of a girl thing. So we're GonNa talk everything from cozy things to family gifts to the beauty. Lovers to travel treats fashionable fines kitchen gifts food gifts. You get so so many more things and we're going to go through each one first things first. Let's get into cozy things. Okay first thing you gotTa have a barefoot dreams blanket. This is the perfect. It gets to give someone that you kind of know. But don't really know but wanna get them something that they're going to use. I personally like the Leopard blanket. It you guys know this. I talk about it all the time. I did have to add this to the list. Because it's something. I truly us every single day. They have leopard they have snow leopard. They they have gray. They have black Taylor slept on my couch in one the other day. Remember that Taylor Taylor slept in a white one Anna Block one. My dog sleep in them every single day. Hey It's a win. It's a win. I'm telling you the barefoot dreams blanket. Everyone's going to love it. You can gifted as many times as you want different colors. The KARDASHIANS are obsessed with it. Highly highly recommend. It's at the top of the cozy things list. The next thing I would say is a fun gift and this is a fun. Gift to girlfriend is a men's xl white oversized cise sweater or sweatshirt. Bear with me hoodies ovarian they can be expensive in pricey but I feel like if you find the right one off Amazon Azzawi in its immense. Xl It fits perfect. It's so fun with boots itself on my jeans. You can't go wrong. I personally like a large now. I'm pregnant and I think I I would still do a large though if I wasn't pregnant anyway. I linked my favorite one. It's twenty two dollars and this is a great gift to get your girlfriends and I know that's weird 'cause it's a men's But just go with it okay. Third thing on cozy things. Lest is a black fingerless Kashmir gloves. I have worn my black gloves. That are fingerless forever and I really like these. Because they show off my manicure I can also put my rings on like Sparkley. And I just feel like fingerless is the way to go. especially if you're in southern California I like to wear these with a huge sweater and just have the fingers popout. I wear them skiing. Michael Gets Mad. Because he's like your fingers are gonNA freeze but who cares like fashion. You know anyway you can wear these any time of year if you're in a cold place and these are something you keep going back to year after year the ones that I linked our Kashmir. They're so soft. They're amazing socks. You gotTa have socks on cozy things. And of course this is barefoot dreams no-brainer here barefoot dream socks. There's nothing better after I sleep in these. They're so yummy. You can put them in the machine wash cold gentle cycle and they're just comfortable. Okay the go mazing with leggings and again this is one size fits most so this is something that you could include in a stocking stuffer. It's fun to actually include this with the blanket. You cannot go wrong here. Barefoot Dreams has the most delicious material next thing on the cozy things list is a black cashmere. Beanie beanies there so fabulous just. Because you don't have to do half your face makeup so what I do is I put a beanie on and then only half my face. It's so efficient and amazing. I like to wear a beanie with a Hoodie. Not Sometimes the White Hoodie and I think you can't go wrong with a black bean so I definitely listed that they're I listed my favorite one. It's Kashmir too. So it matches with your fingerless gloves another another cozy thing and this is for your pet lot of you guys have asked us where we got our dog seat like a dog carseat. I'm serious we. We have a dog car seat that we use for our dogs. They go in this big fleece warm situation and they both fit in it. They're Chihuahuas I would recommend getting too if your dogs are more than ten pounds and we stop them in. And there's this connection. Stop that you can use. Put It on the seat belt as harness harness for the dog. I personally think this is really safe for the dog. It's also really comfortable. We drive a lot from La to San Diego so to have this car seat is gold. The one that we like is in medium. It's black and then it has white Flea Senate and let's like let's like really rounded out here. We put a barefoot dreams in this dog car seat for the dogs. They are obsessed with barefoot dreams. They won't get off it so The car seat with perhaps the barefoot dream just blanket would make a really fun pet gift. You could even stick a couple of cans of Pumpkin. And they're like organic Pumpkin for the dog and make it a whole gift. I think this this is a really good gift to get someone that has everything like if you if you find someone like. It's really hard to shop for them. Always go for the pet people love pets. Couple more cosy Jose things that will just kinda breeze by. I did a Kashmir duster from revolve. There's this one that I have worn my entire pregnancy. I've worn it for the last year. My friend on Gillian recommended it to me. It's baggy all the right areas and fit it in all the right areas. It's long it's chic. You can throw it over everything it's on the block and then I I also did of course black slippers. These recommended me by Kristin Cavallari She's a huge fan of them. And why I like these ones because you can just slip them on one in the morning so I have them right by bad. I slipped them on the bed. Listened to my podcast late my oils. The whole works and walk around with my ex there so fucking comfortable. Learn how to that. I'm pregnant with my feet. Hurt so bad. So that's another good gift to get someone that has everything and lastly to finish up cozy things. I have uh-huh travel outfit. I am very much into the monochrome luck when you travel. I liked to do a set so I'll do a sweater and pants. That are the same color I feel like it's comfy. It's Chic Very Victoria Beckham. And then I do the same color shoe so like if I'm doing a new top. I'll do nude bottoms and then a new shoe. The one that I linked on this specific post because they think that you guys will really like it and everyone you get it for like it is by splendid it's a Kashmir jogger and then a Kashmir top Kashmir a huge a huge thing on this list just because it's so cozy in so comfortable at be careful how you wash it though I feel like sometimes you have to take it to the dry cleaner her which is a bitch but that's just the truth for the Kashmir jogger and the sweater I recommend sizing up I linked heather charcoal one at super dark and it's very flattering littering and I wear it all the time on the plane. Now we're onto family gifts okay very very important family guests. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA start out with the tongue scraper. Every every single person in your family needs a tongue scraper in fact every single person in the universities one I'm doing a public service announcement on it. There's nothing worse than waking up and end drinking a whole gallon of water and not scraping your tongue. You're swallowing all that bacteria and I'm not just making this up. We've had many scientists doctors and are you vaping specialists. Come on the podcast and tell us the importance of scraping your tongue. First thing in the morning Taylor. Do you have a tongue scraper I do. I have to do you actually I do but not the metal ones just the standard plastic wanted a little bristles. You gotta get the metal ones Taylor because you're scraping your tongue with BPA. This is true K. The one that I linked is amazing. It's medical grade stainless. y'All Taylor. I know what I'm getting you for Christmas. And it gets rid of bacteria and bad breath. There's there's nothing worse when someone's breathing on you with bad breath and a tongue scraper is the key. Get everyone in your family. One five dollars the ones the ones that I linked and it just handed out and be like I'm just doing some service today. Last year is stepped. Everyone's talking with one. I thought it was just a fun. Way To get everyone involved evolved and I hope everyone in my family is currently scraping their tongue in the morning. So that's the first thing. The second thing that I have on the family list is champion. Sweats now these are sweats. that are seventeen to thirty dollars. You can't go wrong with them. I like to size up on these. I've been wearing them my entire pregnancy. But what I like about these. Is there so many brands that use champion sweats and just slap their logo on them and charge a hundred and fifty dollars. The ones that I found for you guys are a French Terry. Jogger you're like I said there between seventeen and thirty three dollars depending on which ones you choose. And they're so comfortable. You cannot go wrong sometimes. You should note. I like to go for the men's ends one. Even everyone loves a good pair sweats surprise. You guessed it next on the list is a hydro flask now. This is a perfect gift for your family. But let's have fun with it. Let's not just gift to hydro flask. I always like to have fun with gifts and niche down so for this one what I would do if I were shifting it to like my sister is I would do a hot hot pink hydro flask. I would do the biggest one and then I would make sure to get her the straw lead so I just gifted my pilates teacher betsy a hydro flask and I made sure to give. I've heard the straw. You want the Straw. Because that's the easiest to sip out of. There's nothing worse than having to unscrew the top the CAP and like put it to your lips and have it dribble all down your your chin. You know what I mean. So get the straw lead and like I said if I was getting my sister pink. I'd probably do like a blue neon Strelitz to have fun with it and then I would also get her the bottom protector. That's it comes separate and again I'll link all this on the blog and the one I would get her is either pink or black or white whatever and then with with it I would wrap it up with like a sports. T- I'm very into the specific t that I've been drinking my entire pregnancy. It's an ice tea. I probably have it every morning. And it still filled with breath Ginseng and antioxidants and all this fun stuff and to put it with. The Hydro Flask is streaky. And cute and I would also just for fun and good measure. Maybe maybe gift her some softy straws and these are silicone straws that you can use outside the hydro flask but it's just again adding those little details to the gift She could have her race g in the morning with her soft straws and then pour the rest into her hydro flask. So that's a really fun gift to get speaking my favorite things. Let's talk about getting creative. Getting creative creative is by far one of my favorite things I know we have a lot of creators out. There that are listening bloggers business owners whatever it is and we have been talking about how to expand expand your creative fires with skill. Share Michael's obsessed. I'm obsessed all of the team is obsessed. It's basically this online learning community for the Creator and all of us so they have so so many different classes I think they have like thousands of classes in photography and creative writing design productivity. They even have tutorials on how to do instagram stories. So some of you have asked on my mom's how we get the video and the assets to promote the posts and that's alter skill share. Our Team has learned how to do that. So if you're if you find yourself sitting around making excuses of why you can't do something you gotTa head discolsure. Their classes are on demand you can learn at your own pace came. I what I would recommend doing is setting in your calendar and setting an alarm every day to take fifteen minutes to learn you can get inspired joining class and then create something that you'll absolutely you love if you are a creator online creator specifically or a business owner. I would recommend taking the instagram worthy photography class by Brandon This is the one on that I think will make a big difference in the instagram static. Some of you guys asked about. which is the best class for creating your instagram? And I feel like this is very relevant in two thousand twenty. It's so important to evolve with the times and having a good instagram aesthetic. Like it's like a business card so definitely check that out unskilled share. They have a community. They have feedback personalization. So there you have it. Join the millions of students already learning on skull. Sharon get two months free when you sign up at skill shared dot com slash. Tse You guys. That's two homes of unlimited access to thousands of classes for free gotta look at the instagram photography class. That's a must get started today by heading adding discussion dot com slash. TSE sign up that skill share dot com slash TSE. And with that. We're going back to more of my favorite things. Next Up is a candle at cutter in a candle sniffer. This is another great gift for someone that it's hard to shop for. Everyone needs a good Catholic trimmer. There's nothing worse when you have all these beautiful candles and it. Has This big bold like a ball sac hanging off the top of the candle wax. Like you know what I mean. There's nothing worse you need a candle wick trimmer. And and that's GonNa make. Your candle lasts longer. I think it's really nice to get someone a rose gold or a gold set so what I did is I linked this trimmer. Candle candle accessory set. That's that's awesome to give someone again. You can have fun with this gift and give them a really beautiful candle. I'm a huge fan of Capri blue candles. Tasha collection candles have a lot accustom kennels from them. And I think it's so nice to gift a beautiful candle with the wet cutter in snuff snuff or is the thing that you put the candle out with so Taylor like when you slept over and you tried to blow out my candle. I wasn't down for that you should always sniffer. That was a bad bad thing. You did speaking of candles. I added the Taj Collection Custom Candle to this list. And that is a candle that you can customize so you could get something that's as family I on it you could get your last name. Could get someone's brand new baby name something really personalized. I think that this candle is major and like I said you could also include your little candle accessory set. How Fun is that all right so in my house? I have this chessboard that I'm always putting on stories and it's a glass chess set. It's super elegant. And beautiful and it makes such a nice Like such a nice piece on on a table you can play it too but you know I'm not a fan of people sitting on my couch and I'm not a fan of people. Playing my chest trusts that. I'm just kidding but kind of so. This glass chess that I found on Amazon. And it's thirty nine ninety five and it's beautiful you guys. It's stunning and it would make such a fun gift for a family member friend. Okay so we got tumour gifts for the family. The next thing is Italian based designer smeg. They made this cattle. All that is so major and so chic. I'm a huge fan of snag. It's all over my kitchen if you see it in my instagram stories. And it's basically like toasters stirs and Espresso Machines and Lemon squeezer but it was designed by one of the world's top architects. So it's something that you want in your kitchen. You don't want to put away with the spider webs and never look at it the cattle that I got the one I like is white. They also have pink which is major and then they have like a baby blue and navy blue blue. It's just like a very good gift to give because who doesn't want a tea kettle now again if you wanna get really cute with this ad some tea with it. Give give give whoever you're giving the SMEG Ketel to a little personal touch. What T- I would add is the CUSHMAN BB detox? Tea another hot tea. That I'm in love with the first one I talked about was ice tea. This is a hot tea and this is a team that I have all the time. You could also do four sigmatic mushroom Cacao with it you could do like ginger tea anyways. Just personalized the tea with the cattle. And then lastly to rounded off I had to add bottom clear glass snugs. My friend Ingrid recommended these along time ago. They're very French and I use them every single day. They are so oh beautiful and the way they feel is just so romantic. I can't explain it and I'm just over White Mug you know what I mean. I'm over it I I wanted something like a little more elevated and so these bottom cups are beautiful. The ones that I like I linked on the blog and they also come in heart shaped like the bottom uh-huh heart shapes so if you wanna again do something a little bit more personal. That's always fun and you could add t to this to all right next up on my very inspired Oprah's favorite thing list is beauty lover. These are all things that need to be added to the skinny confidential mass journalists asap. Things that anyone who loves beauty or skin care we'll absolutely love and we'll go through this list a little quicker just because I feel like so many of you already know about these items but these are great guests together. I started with a rose courts. Guas Shaw set was shot is amazing facial massage. It's going to get rid of puffiness bloating right now. I'm so bloated morning fat suit from pregnancy and then I also would gift. This show sat with a rose oil again. It's those little details that make all the difference. Bush is so insane to do in the morning. Thanks guys like if you haven't tried it this is if you WANNA buy two of one for yourself one for someone else. And it's real natural rose jade which is awesome. It's at has grounding grounding properties. I know this sounds crazy. But there's I on Zenit that make you feel good to do this in the morning with some rose hip oil so fun you WanNa add something else out of missed such a fun gift to go and then I did this specific cold plunge mask. It's blue. I used it the whole time. I traveled this summer. And it just tightens your skin and gives you a really really nice glow This is a mass that I would recommend to everyone and I just think like the results that I got every time I used used hardens on your face and then you wash it off or insane. This is a good gift to get someone who loves to travel and again. If you WANNA pair the gifts up you could add your Shah with with your cold. Plunge mask the next thing is the kiss me at midnight set so I have been so in love with this lip mask K.. There's this lip mass that this company sent me an employer. -obably GONNA flood the name. It's called Langley. I think I don't know I don't know how to say it. They set me this lit- mask it's pink and it says to where overnight but I tried it one night when I was going out with my friends are a p alcohol. We were going out drinking and having some fun and and it just gave me the most plump lips and it lasted all night so I started to have this theory that I should use the lip mask when I'm going out after I've applied my makeup and I'm telling you it is so legit anyways. This set includes their other items that are super hydrating. It's called the hydration the Dream Team this has like a green mineral water in it has a moisture wrap it has a white leaf tea water and most importantly it has the the mask bullet mask that you should wear out with your friends when you're hanging out drinking champagne it's thirty nine dollars. It's already wrapped in a set. So all you have to do is just get it to your house. Wrap it up and put a cute little card on top super simple again. If you WANNA add an added touch at the GUA set so fun next. Next up is the elements pro collagen gift set huge fan elements always beneficial elements. They have this gift set. That's absolutely incredible on. It's it's it's really a good gift to give someone who's very into skin care because it's Collagen set. Then we have a beauty blender. But I didn't just leave you guys hanging with a beauty blender. That's way you too fucking Boring K.. I actually also included the mini washing machine. If you have not heard of the beauty blender washing machine let me tell you about it. This is a hack that is absolutely insane. What you do is this tiny tiny little washing machine? I got this tip off Instagram instagram from a beauty blogger. And I think what it's actually for is to wash your brushes but someone discovered that you could actually take your beauty blunder your dirty beauty blender under the you probably haven't washed in five years if you're like me and you put it in this. Many washing machine washes your beauty blender. Now I know this sounds crazy. Eighty like bear with me but what it does is it just washes the beauty. blender whips it up like a like a washing machine for thirty seconds and you could put a little bit of like brush cleaner in there. It's so cute like I said it's like this little tiny washing machine that you can pour water in you turn on a switch it starts spinning and and it's like a real little washing machine. I'm sure you guys could get creative to and do like lots of different things with this little washing machine like. Perhaps you could mix Martini in it. You never know anyways. So what I would recommend is getting a beauty. blender getting the mini washing machine. And then if you WANNA have extra fund with it adding a foundation. I think that's a great gift to give someone anyone who's video ever will love it and then we have coconut oil lube and fresh. She's all right. Here's the deal. I have gotten a lot of questions about coconut oil lube showing up to your doorstep. Is it in some box that says sex lube like suck me fuck me. No K- it's in a discrete box. It's the most discreet box. It's like a white box with a little bit of pink tape on it. No one's going to know that you are ordering Lube. So if you're worried about that have have no fear And then the fresh. She's come in the same kind of box so we have the coconut oil lube. Which is such a fun gift to get your girlfriends or your boyfriend And then when it comes with these holiday stickers which is also super fun and then fresh which are little cranberry extract wipes that you can use pre and post sex. You can't go go wrong with both these guests. I feel like everyone. Even your mom will like these and their chic. They're understated their discreet. You can use code him in her for twenty percent off That's a fun one. That's fun I mean your boyfriend is GonNa be so happy. He'll be smiling year to year He's ready to go. You know what I mean. Lastly to round this out I I have an antioxidant rich delicious skin-care trio a cleanse resurface. A hydrate this is for the girly girl. It's a let it glow set by glow low recipe. I'm a huge fan of recipe. I love both of the founders dearly. We've had them on the PODCAST. And they have clean Clean Beauty K. 's available elbow Sephora and the set is major have each of these products You cannot go wrong. Basically it's an. Ah A glow sleeping mask. So this is a watermelon. Sleep mask you wear at night. You wake up your skin's all glory than it has a blueberry bounce gentle cleanser. Nice light cleanser. Nothing that's going to tear the skin and then a watermelon. Pink juice moisturizer. These smell so good. It's like I can't believe how good they smell and then to have it. All on a set is just just amazing and every single girl will be down for this so this is another one you can wrap up. You could put the Jewish assets on top. And you're good to go. This is also. I should mention something something you can buy like six of and have on hand. There's nothing worse than going to a Christmas party and seeing aunt em that you haven't seen in six hundred years and she gets you a gift and you're empty-handed so have these wrapped and ready to go. Don't even put the names on them. And then so if you get in an awkward situation like that with anthem you could just be like. Oh my God. Gifted skincare set. She'll be so excited to sleep in her watermelon mask next section in is travelers treats this is for the traveler you could even curate all five of these and put them in one gift if you wanted to get someone a mega traveler gift first things first and why is that you can do that. Is I put a black mark. Jacobs Mesh Backpack on the list. This is a backpack that Mimi and I have used for the last three years you. You cannot go wrong with it. It's understated it's black. It's two hundred and twenty five dollars so it doesn't break the bank horribly and It's just something that you keep using in using. And so when I have backpacker a purse that I'm gifting someone I like to put stuff in it. If it's like a really good friend or a family member we do secret. Santa sometimes too like to habits secret Santa and be able to stop the backpack with stuff is perfect. So I linked the backpack on the blog of course and then I also added to this list. Boys noise cancelling headphones. These are a little pricier but this is something that I have used probably five times a week for the last five years so again something I keep going back back to. These are black noise cancelling headphones. They are the best. When you are traveling there is nothing worse when you sit next to someone in their snoring talking too loud you can use these in an auber? If you don't WanNa talk through these really nice beautiful headphones. That don't hurt your ears. That cancel out the noise. I like to listen to podcasts. And books on tape. And if you wanted to get really cute and creative with this you could gift someone. These noise cancelling headphones and also give them a subscription to audible or give give them like a fifty dollars gift card to audible. I got so fun and someone who really likes to learn more love it than we have packets of forcing you. You can't forget forcing medically especially Ashley if you're traveling I personally. I'm a huge fan of the mushroom cal. I talk about it all the time. It's like hot chocolate and something you want to wind down with. And it's perfect for the holiday holiday season. You could gift this. You could give them a bottle of baileys vodka with it just to have fun again. This is something you could stuff in the mash backpack if you wanted to. Mimi recently went to Korea and she is such a fan of sheep masks. She did all the research for us and found the ones that all the Korean girls are wearing It's called Medi. He'll the ones and comes in ten packs and five packs. I bought the one in a ten pack and I think this is such a gift to give each of your girlfriends friends so you could just by like I said the ten pack and then give them maybe like the mask with it so you have ten presents ready to go or you could. It's just stuffed sheep masks in the backpack that you're giving someone again. How Fun with it? And lastly something that I've recently discovered is okay so you know when you're in the airport and you have a long flight and you buy those ugly pillows they're like a C- curve. You know what I'm talking about Taylor. I feel like you know what I'm talking about those pills that wrap around your neck doc. They're not that comfortable on the materials. Not that comfortable. And they're not cute so I found these travel neck pillows online and they they they have pink so I got pink they all. It's actually rose gold. They have black they have different colors. But here's the great thing they're silk so they're so nice on on your skin so when you do all your skin care and then you put your beautiful face on your neck pillow. You know that you're reaping tons of benefits because you're sleeping on silk and and not some nasty rap material now. This specific neck travel pillow that I picked out in silk also comes with a silk. I'm ask so you're looking cute. If your boyfriend defriend from seventh grade is sitting up in front of you you know that when you put your cute sleep mask on with your cute silk pillowcase. Your your aesthetically pleasing. Everything's thanks good to go. This is such a gift I think for everyone You cannot go wrong so I linked to that of course on the bog for you and now we'll move onto fashionable fines. Quick break to talk about a little hot tip. Red Light therapy you have heard about juve on this show. We had the founders on. They got into it. They told told us. About How red light therapy helps with acne related skin damage enhances muscle recovery gives you peak. Performance Fades scars and wrinkles and fine lines and stretch stretch marks which I very much need speeds wound healing and reduces joint inflammation. I have even used this on my Chihuahua. Because she has bad knees. That's how good red light therapy is. I personally all about the skin and red light therapy rejuvenates your skin like I said so what I do is they use the Juve mini. And I just turn it on and and while I'm writing in my journal in the morning or I'm doing my stoicism I have it in front of me and it's so weird 'cause immediately you can feel yourself wake up like it gives you energy and I know I'm not crazy because Michael actually does the Juve Quad in his office. Every single morning. He stands there but naked behind the door and meditates while he lets this huge light wash over him and he says the same thing. There's something really does cheer Isaac Your Retinas. That just wakes you the hell up am very very much about that. Another thing that it's known to really help with if you live in. Different areas of the country is seasonal depression. I experienced really bad seasonal depression when we traveled able to London and Finland and had I had had red light therapy. I think it would have made a huge difference so definitely something to look into. If you live in darker areas they have specialty financing available. You can go check them out and received some killer deals. You're going to be obsessed. You're you're not going to be able to shut up about about this red light therapy okay. I'm telling you even GonNa WanNa do it on your dogs. So all you have to do is go to google dot com slash skinny and use code skinny to receive a free gift with your your purchase. And then if you want to do research on it I would recommend really listening to that. Episode with Juve founders. We really dive into specifics. That's Juve Dot com slash skinny A.. And Use Code Skinny to receive a free gift with purchase. All right back to my favorite things fashionable finds will go through these quick because they're all in the blog sunglasses the ones I like thereby less specs. They really pull the face up. This sounds crazy guys. There are sunglasses that pull the face down. I like ones that are lifting getting. They lift the cheekbones. Their flattering on the face. And if you're looking for black oversized glasses. These are the ones these ones are ones that you're gonNA WANNA buy yourself and your friend or your sister like you're you're gonNA WANNA get a couple of these. You can't go wrong there. Sixty nine bucks. Don't disappoint I. Also linked to gold bracelet. This is so random but when I was doing our Christmas card I found this bracelet that I it was wearing like. It's kind of like costume costume jewelry. And it was like a gold gothic thick stainless steel. Double Lionhead so random. It was nineteen dollars. I founded off Amazon and I've been wearing all the time it's so cute. It reminds me of of the eighty s sake So I definitely put that on the list. If you're looking for something under twenty dollars another thing is a feel shirt. So I've been wearing a sense. It got pregnant these huge men's shirts a lot of men's can you tell it's a long sleeved cotton Chrunak and what I do is where it address. Sometimes I wear block biker shorts under it and I'll link the ones that I wear on the blog but usually I don't and what I'll do is I'll wear a black over the velvet boot. There's this one that I added to the list. which brings me to my next point? And it's actually by Jessica Simpson. She makes a great boot. It's the right height. It goes over the knee. It's flattering. It's not super tight on your legs so you can still wear wear them when you're very pregnant like me anyway. The feeling shirt with the over the nevil that high boot is awesome. You could get those together and you could even add in the bike short if you wanted a trenchcoat so in style like I said me me just came back from Korea and she said all the girls are wearing unblock trenchcoats. This is something you can really wear over anything. Connie West even worse over a Hoodie. Which I think is so major so you could wear your white men's Hoodie and put a black trenchcoat coat over it or you could even order a Blackman's Hoodie into the trench over it Throw on your your Kashmir beanie. Perhaps in your fingerless gloves see. We're rounding it out. The trench French I linked is thirty percent off. It is so cute and I like to get one size up just because I like how it looks. What has been saving me during pregnancy is turtleneck a black turtleneck but not only any turtleneck bodysuit now after I give birth? I'm going to be wearing these all the time they hug you in there. So uh-huh flattering They accentuate your line. I actually just wore one on my latest instagram. You can go see it. And they're so far into the wastes too This is another another one that you WANNA buy yourself okay by yourself. One of these and this is really fun with the champion Jogger. That I talked about early on. You can't go wrong young. This is a gift that you could get your sister your friend your mom. Whatever and they won't be returning it? No no one wants to keep the tags on this. They WANNA wear it probably that night so I linked my favorite one on the blog with that. I always think it's fun to do. A big gold airing the ones that I added kind of go with the chain chain Bracelet that I was talking about their super affordable. And they're just these big kind of God Iverson Gold black earings. That were inspired by Marco. Rubio on Wolf of Wall Street. There's like a scene when she's talking to Leo and she has these amazing earrings on and I found them on Amazon. They're like a replica. And I think they look so so cute with a black turtleneck and you should note. These earrings are only eight ninety nine so again a great gift to buy in bulk for your friends you guys could all do matching watching hearings the next thing that everyone has to look at and I just think that this is a necessity for every woman is a white pump I like ones that are pretty high. Don't like a low shoe and I found one. That's a Matt White. It goes with jeans. It goes with sweats. It goes with a little black dress. You cannot go wrong with a nice beautiful white pump and specifically the one I found kind of has a reptile print. But you can barely see. It's Super Super Light. I feel like they're going to sell out quick so definitely go stock those. I'M GONNA go quick with the next couple ones just because There's so many on on the fashionable finds list. The next thing is nude Cardigan I'm very into nude right now. I like ones that set off the shoulder so I found one. That's kind of baggy but also so cinched at the waist. Then I did Morgan. Stewart's active were set. She makes some great active where I worn active before I was pregnant and it really holds you in Dan so I added that to the list and then I think everyone needs a great white t. You can't go wrong with a beautiful white t I have tried every single brand under under the sun because I wanNa make sure I'm always talking about the right one so the one I added to the list is affordable. It's soft doesn't shrink up in the laundry. The trick is is is that you don't WanNa put the dryer for too long. You only want WanNa let it air dry and then probably when it's like right about to be dry put it in the dryer for five minutes. That's the trick to this list. I also had to Adami Pink Bubblegum Bag. That weren't maybe shower. It is so cute it has gold handle and it's one of those bags you could wear anything. It's a tiny bag very tiny honey bags and it has kind of crocodile print on it so check that out. I added a Pastel Green iphone case very into pastels right now if you can tell by my instagram program feed and this one looks exactly like the apple case. But it's super affordable another great gift to buy in bulk you could buy all the different pastels for all your friends. You guys have super cute. Pastel cases on this list is a blazer dress. I mean every girl needs a blazer dress. I can't wait till where one in the coming months they're th. They're not fitting right now and I did black. I think it's simple. It looks amazing with your over the knee boot. Another gift that you might WanNa gift yourself and a friend. Kay why we also have a black box. Do owe him in her watch. This is this watch that comes with a guy version and a girl version. I talked about it on my instagram ceram stories. It's it's by movement and the MT and you can use Code Skinny Movement for fifteen percent off and this is a him and her gift which is so fitting for the PODCAST. So you could give this to a couple. I personally like the classic Black Band but they have a lot of different custom brands. So check that out. This is weird. That it's on the fashionable list list. But I think it's a fun gift to give you might think I'm crazy black paper towels in my house. I have black paper towels. They make such a difference in the kitchen. And I think it's so unique gift so what I would do is get like an acrylic paper towel holder. And then I would do a set of black paper towels I would do like five And this is for for someone who loves to be in the kitchen. And it's very fashionable. If I don't say so myself lastly rounding out with a White Classic slip-on I love white shoes. I talk about it all the time time. You just heard me talk about a pump. I also white flats. I'm very into Rossi's they're so comfortable and then I also am very into vans. The classic slip-on Sneaker that we all warns seventh grade. I think it goes with everything. You can't go wrong so those are also on the list and with that we're going to move onto kitchen gifts Afr- author. Everyone needs the froth. Her are everyone will thank you. You can mix your annual in your Cacao your cinnamon into your almond milk and pour it nicely over your coffee. Then we've got a SMEG toaster talked about this earlier. smeg is an insane brand. It's GonNa look so cute in the kitchen. Mine is white I use it all the time. you just bagels. You can chose bread you can obviously toast all the carbs in there. You know. My toasters been very used in the last eight months. I did a white knife block so instead of the would block. You know what I'm talking about. Those would blocks that don't fit with the aesthetic of the kitchen. I found a white knife block. So it's going to match all the white in your kitchen if you have a white kitchen very chic. We did a French. Press Michael's favourite French press is on there a crate and barrel champagne glasses there. These long skinny champagne glasses is that are just so wins the coal and pretty. I sometimes put them in the freezer freeze them and pomegranate seeds and the new champagne on top for a jeff. You could add a bottle of champagne with this. It would be so fun on this list is also a many pink froth over this is a froth or that you can throw in in your purse if you Wanna mix up your coffee or your mushroom cow. When you're on the go great for the traveler? We added a T. pitcher that I like to make my sports tin again at sports T- to this gift do T- pitcher and add sports. T- you could put Menton here. You could add the tea tea bags into the picture and gifted. That could be fun and we also have a PAN recommended by my girl jewel. The be this is Hannah. been using for the last six months fell in love with it. It's so easy to use. And she's very specific civic about this pan so definitely check this out and then we have a SMEG. Pink citrus juicer. This was gifted again by my friend. Ingrid I thought it was such a cheeky gift and you can make lemonade. You can make orange juice green juice. Whatever so so cute for the kitchen and this one's pink and then I added a silicone Bagel mold because who doesn't want to make bagels like yum? What I like about the silicone moulds? Is it just POPs out the BAGEL. So it doesn't get stuck to the pan. And then lastly I added a lucite spice Iraq. This was recommended by reorganized and it saved my life when it comes organization. I'M GONNA go through the food gifts. Which is the next section very quickly simply in Ulan? You GotTa added to your coffee. Great Gift I did. A thrive market meet Sampler for the Meat Lover. I even added a thrive market build your own meat and and seafood box and you can go to thrive market dot com slash skinny and use code skinny at checkout for twenty percent off We also have smart sweets. Pickering's Soga filled with fiber. Tate's bake shop. I love the ginger ones but I think online you can only get the chocolate chip cookies which are just as good. We have some williams-sonoma Peanut Brittle Ross Vegan. Fresh soured for Ya. I added my favourite French butter. It's a demi cell. I hope I'm saying that right and probably not Ingrid's probably laughing at me but that butter is my fav- along with the butter. I had to add my favorite French salt. Crunchy Sea salt so gun. There is also my favorite almond cashew butter. These are things that you could just put in a big basket. You could make your own basket on thrive markets so easy. We have organic dates. My favorite lemon juice juice doesn't have concentrate. You could even do my favorite lime juice which is on the blog and you tequilas and limes and lemons with a little bit assault and have people make their own Margaritas. Rita's if you want to get even more festive. You could do Margarita glasses within gift. Someone that since the foodless is super long what I did is I just added the the next ten items to the blog. So you'll have to go over there and see the rest but with the food thing. It's really fun like I said to do a basket for someone curate. Your own basket Oscar. There's nothing better than those Harry and David boxes with those good pairs in them. Be Your Own Harry and David and make a creative blocks for everyone and we have miscellaneous which is tech gadgets gifts for the home eco-friendly gifts gifts to inspire and presents for pets. GonNa go through this quick again more details on the skinny confidential. Some quick Nick Tech Gadgets for you are just like to give you examples pink charger block air pods. I got an apple home. pod I got polaroid an Amber Mug Doug Nest I even have the best skinny lighted Mir on there all fun to give to your family. Your friends we got sonos. Speakers is in white a lot of stuff other fun gifts for the home. My favorite hand soap. My favorite candles favourite eco-friendly gifts. There's so many good ones we have reusable a usable silver and gold bags that I've been using to carry all my stuff up and down the stairs there. These really cute holiday bags that I just us over over and over I even bring them to the market. I don't go to the market a lot but if I do go to the market I use these bags so definitely check those out and then we have like beeswax. Wraps that you can wrap your food food UPENN. 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Tim Blanks on the Menswear Spring 2020 Season | Inside Fashion

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Tim Blanks on the Menswear Spring 2020 Season | Inside Fashion

"This episode of inside fashion is brought to you by shopper fi plus from the first sketch to the retail floor. You need a commerce platform to help you scale at the speed of your ideas. That's why the world's fastest growing brands like Steve Madden chubby. He's the sports sack, and Jim shock rely on shopper fi plus to sell to their customers around the world. You'll be able to go wherever your customers are from New York to Milan to Instagram, and they'll make sure you look brilliant in every size from pop up shop to mobile. Join over five thousand brands on Sherifi plus at shop, if I dot com forward slash B O F. I've always thought that we'd be seeing a rebirth of the punk ethos and I guess I'm kind of still waiting for that gray. Green to me is, is men's was number one reason to be cheerful right now that's a nice way of putting Zana. I mean, the most beautiful thing that show was a was a up cycle. Cashmere coat good design sustainable design in the end the dealing with the in controversy. Fact that he would have hastened the whole idea what you mean that big more than life size, portraits all over the Grand Palais. Hi, this is Imran Ahmed founder and CEO of the business fashion this week on inside fashion. I sit down with our editor large Tim blanks to talk about the menswear season. That was Tim as usual traveled from London to Milan to Paris. He had all the inside scoops, and of course, the most authoritative perspective on this season's menswear shows, we also speak a little bit about the memorial for Karl Lagerfeld who passed away earlier this year. Probably one of the best attended memorials fashion industry has ever seen. So here's Tim blanks inside fashion. Tim blanks. Welcome back to London. Thank you. We're here for our seasonal review of the shows London, Milan, and Paris, overall thoughts, I was in foods, d- here, and there doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of this is interesting. What, what, what, what I love was, I suppose the clothes that you would think of as being the close of sort of dreamers and idealists that, that maybe a significant. I mean, it seems that, you know, for the longest time, I've been wondering why when the political situation in, in the almost, the whole world seems to be so tense and and, and pressed at the moment that there's not more reflection of that in fashion why, why fashion why we shouldn't be saying stuff that's edgier rather than stuff. That's. Escape about escape, but I guess maybe things are so bad that, that escape is, is the preference right now. And the people's activists instincts are being exercised elsewhere, you know through. Extinction, rebellion and organizational suggesting that you raise that because my first question to you was was going to be about the fact that fashion reflects culture, on what's going on in the wider world. Like, how is that being shown on the runways in, you're saying that, really, you don't see a reflection of this, like intense political climate reflected directly on the on the catwalks. Well, I think it I think it's interesting that I during the week, a couple of people meant brought that brought raise that fact about session being a reflection and said that they were opting this, it seemed to be opting at the moment for fashion as a rejection rather than a reflection. And I mean that made for I think that made for some extremely beautiful collections. But, you know, I've I've always I've away. So that would be seeing. We'd be seeing a rebirth of, of the punk ethos than in the way in the way that punk and it took shape in the seventies in, in similar political and economic circumstances. And I guess I'm kind of still waiting for that. I wonder I wonder why that is. I wonder why that people are. Is that is that a, a sense of having already given up like just there's a, there's a general sense of like just people throwing their hands up in the air right now? Saying like this. I just feel like I have no control over what's going on. I have no impact, I have no way of shaping the environment around me, do you think that's kind of somehow, permeated, creative group you looking at a culture, which is just been which is just scattering into a million fragments? Yeah. And it's, it's, it's choosing way you make your stand. That's where do you fight your battles? I mean the most. Inspiring collections of the season. I suppose even I'm talking about escape and away. They didn't gauge in, in another way. I mean Rick Owens is collection. I thought was. Incredible for for what he actually brought to his Catt woke for the. What seemed to be the first time, what felt like the first time to me really direct stated a really direct activists sensibility engaged by the fact that his mother is Mexican, and she's getting old now, and she needs to be close to family in Mexico. And this man talking about building a wall between her and her family. So that becomes a point of principle in a way that it hasn't in the past, I guess. You said that it was his most direct men's collection in your review. What did you mean by that? The engagement, you know, he he was talking about his family. He was talking about his background, he and his roots, I suppose, and he had as take a group of as tech musicians, who playing along with the, the soundtrack. And they did a as tech blessing backstage am. He's, I think Rick is always been somebody who whose finger is on a primal pulse in. Oh, he's, he's you could you could almost imagine him designing in full thousand BC just as much as you can imagine him designing in two thousand eighty but this time there was, there was a direct. There was there was when he talked about his family, which he's never ever. He's never been talked about his family that that much to me on before his father translating for migrant workers. For example, for the local public law of some. I mean. These, these things influenced him, and he's never actually talked, you know, he talks about Larry Legaspi last season was talking about Larry Legaspi this season when he talked about as techs. I mean he's talked about ancient Greece, and ancient Roman agent Egypt was much more personal talked about Amway talked about the ticks. He's talking about his mother's family. Right. You know, the his is his own genetic roots, which is quite. It was very moving. I feel and other highlights. Well, you know, I thought completely opposite ends of the spectrum, I thought Kim Jones Joel, the show was funny. Speaking of the sort of majesty of antiquity, or whatever. But the what, what working with the artist Daniel option did Kim, the, the season was that there was a sort of monumental. There's always a monumental ISM there. But this time it was, it reminded me of that, that poem is mantius by pussy bis Shelley that the, the notion of of, of yet, saw Kane. But Kane, we're all shrugging our shoulders. Office. Because a romantic romantic, but also, the, the Daniela should making those huge D. I lashes down the middle of pink sand catwalk, you felt your be on another planet looking at the ruins of a civilization, which is what Daniel auction doesn't his work. He creates archaeological objects at things like Walkmans and transistor radios. Right. Mickey Mouse dolls in some makes an archaeology of our culture. And that's Kim is such a Tereza. He, he, he is so absorbed by the what, what might seem like the d'etre 'tis of the past, which he celebrates in his curation. Like I said my review, you know club fly or a twelve inch single becomes like the incredible cultural totem so working with Daniel Asham. It was almost like they were looking back at deals spring. Some twenty twenty from the distant future. And recreating something from artifacts, like Mr. Jules telephone Mr. Joe's clock, Mr. Joe's desk. Remember Stanley Kubrick did this at the end of two thousand one with that chamber where old time and space converged? And I really had that feeling I thought, wow, I really liked that somebody can do that, to me with fashion show and, and to bring that sort of scifi Shalam and, you know, the thing I have loved so much about fashion. One of the things I love so much about fashion over the last twenty five years when people used to talk about the influence of two thousand one on pop culture, the influence of Gatica, which is a movie that people talked about furiously for a while. And then they would stop talking about I bring it back, sometimes because it's at wonderful sense of a sort of distort Pia slash utopia. And then can made it also incredibly beautiful. And this is another thing that fascinates me when I'm looking at a collection like that the shit exquisite -ness of the craftsmanship. The, the incredible things that they do that they don't really need to do to, you know. I don't think that, that a guy walks into the deal band boutique in says, I'm looking for a. Pleated georgette, you know this. You don't know you want these things to you see them. I says he essence of fashion in a way I suppose, but will the of fashion. But, but did you get a sense from Cam, though, about apparently, the markets responding well to his TR, man? But you think the really walking in and buying those quite particular items, or are they buying the, you know, Claude are I've read on that the Asian market is actually, so fashion forward compared to its European equivalent that young guys actually do have an incredible appreciation of this craftsmanship in its. It's those two things in Kim in the jewel show that I thought were just mind blowing one was at pleaded georgette the Kabul blue on the organza, Boma jacket and the other was the Kyoto, KOMO craftsman beloved of. Would Crutchley who's used the same guy as collections who looks fabulous for Kim who hand painted a twelve ju design this guy makes three things a year, apparently, and he'd hand painted this? And so, you think well, there's probably people in France with twelve Zhou comes from who could do that, that sort of curly Willie patent on the jumpsuit but no, that's the coda guy to do it. So here's another question for you, because I know that you go to preview with Cam every season. And he gives you kind of an up close and personal. Look at all of this stuff. But do you think these details are perceptible from the runway vion Instagram image, which I will send all? Yeah. You know, I mean you might see on that on that on the on the old Ganz Bama, the design with a look like lungs that looked like big, Kobo blue lungs, which I thought, well, it striking. Yeah. It's. Striking image with a you know, that the God that is in those details. Same thing with Virgil in Louis Vuitton. He did the some blue zone from pleated on that was some micro pleated that it was quite dense. And when you when you ruffled your finger out of it was, like, you know, like stroking, Anaheim since, like those pin, tuck it. Yeah, but, you know, like micro Kentucky, again you see that coming down the cat will, you wouldn't have a clue that, that when you touch the kind of was like a beautiful flower, whatever that kind of detail is so strictly for the guy who buys buys a piece of clothing, which when you think about it is the essence of couture to the, the, the, the notion of the private pleasure. And I think that is important in fashion. Now, I think that is important for when you talk about escape that it's not a retreat really. Because it's an education. These things are in education. You not going back to something. You know, you'll going forward to something that you'll learning about and to me, that's a control. The couture sensibility reflected in menswear. It is like going to the most amazing Taylor in the world to have something made with the lining, you choose and your name embroidered in the suit. I mean, it's this whole thing that nobody else knows about except you. And I think that that's what these details. They're about their about the sort of there. There's something that, that making fashion so precious that you will not not wear that jacket next season. You will have that thing for ever-more. It'll be, you know, when Linda Evangelista head that yellow, John Galliano dress that she wore in the pinup show hanging at the end of her bed. So it was a first thing she saw every morning when she woke up, this is what these closed the like I put one of my Craig green jackets on a on a on a on the closet door on a coat hanger. So I could see. That every morning because it just you just look at it and you thank you just transported. You think another day? Wow fashion as inspiration in the era of Brexit. And Trump makes us keep going. I mean, it's an interesting contradiction that both Virgil and Cam have to or balance that they have to achieve righteously the clothes, as you say, they're like, very finely crafted, you know, they're very expensive, and they may resonate with this very sophisticated consumer, but at the end those details, you, you really need to be close to the close to appreciate them. But at the same time, they both succeed in creating this huge online response to what they do. And so, like they create these spectacular moments that translate virtual took over the plastic phen- and Kim created another one of these sets that just translates pretty well. So they're thinking both of the like instant impact. On Instagram, and then they're thinking about how do I create something that kind of feel special to the customer, when they engage with the pro it's not like it's particularly what's new is the? The technology old around capturing it. I mean, if we'd had Instagram when Galliano did that show at the opera gun, the mckays Qasadi show at the end of the ninety s he would have what's the word you know, when you bring Instagram to it's knees? You. I don't know. You break it you break, he would have broken Instagram. Yeah. There was so many moments rafts Simmons with models coming down the escalators, and the, you know, there's always been that I mean, what there is now is this, instant ability to, to see it, moving, you know, to see it as it's happening. I mean with the saline show last night, it was fascinating because I watched them on, I was kind of watching it on the phone is people were. Grand? Yes. And that was watching, what ching feed, and it was, the, the sense of occasion, was quite fabulous. I thought that that was proving once again at eighty Sluman is one of the muster show him in fashion. But the build with that thing coming up in a red card rate bollocks now David Lynch, red curtain rising. Yeah. The that this, this always been that. And I think what before you used to think. Oh, God, I wish everybody could see what I'm looking at right now. I wish people could see Nyman Campbell riding into the God of doodad on a front of steam engine. And, and now they can, you know, and all that magic is available to the world. And I hope it rubs off, but it's the rare designer that manages to create both the spectacle and the craft right. And I think that's the real trick. Now. Yeah. Yeah. You and I both really love the Craig green show. Should we talk a bit about that one? Yeah, yeah. Because Craig green to me is, is, is men's was number one reason to be cheerful right now that's a nice way of putting it. I just love the fact that there actually is a big audience. So what he does it makes me feel good about people because his clothes, not easy, and the and the, the thought processes. Behind them a challenging, and I mean, if you can, if you can if you can go where he wants to take you, I think you'll life is improved which is greats I mean, slowly could ever hope for when you're making art neom making people's lives better. Yeah. I mean for me it was. I don't it's like everything you saw in double because he had that mirrored runway is really striking. Yes. But also, there's just there's an incredible consistency in what he does, but he manages to interpret like it's that beautiful thing that the rare designer does, which is they have a signature, but it doesn't get boring. They're not trapped by well. You know, there was that moment there when he started. And I was I was on my hind legs with glee and crying, you know, really caught up in the emotion of the moment, and then I thought, who is he going to take this? And then there was one season which felt like a bit a bit of a. Season trading water. Now, my I have no hits numbers. I thought you had an elephant like. A memory like an elephant, Robin trunk. The no. That was this one moment. And then boom off to the races every season, since then, because there was a moment where you thought. Okay. What, how can you expand on that aesthetic, the robes ties, sort of sci-fi, work away, the, the, the kind of cabalistic sense of priesthood, or a communities, used to think of a community on a clifftop somewhere cut off from the world? And just invite you stick thing very realistic. And then the bare fees in the collection. What people talked about the children's crusade, you just thinking. Wow. There was just so much going on. And then what, what came in was incredible incredible. His just so smart. His ability to balance a close that you could call almost like everyday Craig green that women are drawn to as much as men with the other. Kind of cabalistic secret society science meets our Khanna kind of edge like this season, the whole thing about skin. I mean the clothes was so beautiful. But then if you he can he can take your some extremely doc and the notion of there was a sort of thing of flaying almost the some of the most beautiful pieces will actually skin were actually Representative of muscular that skinny being ripped off peeled away from I should say tumor slightly a Nado. I was sitting there thinking, oh, United Leonardo da Vinci, draw jewelers. Oh, yeah. Enemy style an atmosphere where he would flay coaxes and you get that same sense of questing with Craig that accuser city. A real light going behind things. I mean. Going behind the surface to to find a even using that song goodbye horses from silence of the lambs and, you know, in that scene in the movie buffalo, Bill is dancing around. With his skin suit on that he's making out of people, you know, and to have that to even have that as a as a as a suggestion is, is quite dark. But at the same time you looking at something which is just mind blowing beautiful, like there's something I think quite an Djelic about what he does and Anjelica about him it feels light. But angels and Jellicoe Amon demonic to sandals and demons, which is which is fantastic to experience, one of the other things that you speaking of crag, one of the other things that you said, in your Virgil review was that. There may have been a little bit of Craig green in there and a little bit of something else in there. And that we now live in this age of instant critique the other. That's the other side of Instagram. Everyone can experience the show, but everyone can critique the show. And that, you know, anytime you post anything about Virgil that these, like, huge crowds of trolls appear. Tell me about a lot of people were calling burchell out on this this season. The kind of main theme was well, he taken heavy inspiration from some of the stuff Craig has been known for, including those structures who's very unique structures that many of Craig shows of and the sense of and things tied together in the layering sing, and so two questions. One, what's your take on the divergent copying crag in the second questions? You know, how is it? How do you feel about the kind of online reaction? I will. If you're going to steal seal from the best, and this, I'm sure Picasso with somebody said something like that. But, you know. I will. I mean, and then something else says, I'm so glad everybody knows it's Craig green because it, elevates him wrestled, nicest recognizes that he is the originator originator not. It's very, it feels different to me when it is somebody like Kaiser Wong years ago when Nikola Jessica took something lock stock and barrel from Kaiser Wong, this little San Francisco's small San Francisco design. It's like Tom Ford city didn't even move the buttons and. That's different. Because when I when I feel it somebody who. You know, a stopping us, for example, who has no. Same way. I feel when Alfred Hitchcock used to steal from a rice, rye really loved. And nobody knew he who the writer was. And I used to think, well, you know where it stew? I mean, you know, the Jhelum stand up and say, I've been looking at the work of Craig green this season. And that was for everybody else to kind of make a point of point of that. You know, the very, very everything is so fluid now -solutely, everything is so fluid, the once you start saying who did this first urine, a European Hornets nest, because you can go on and on and on. I have been in fashion long enough to know that every time I hear an argument about who did this particular thing. I, I could say, well, actually, the person that your sang was originator of that actually got from this person, you got from that person, Mark Jacobs, would make that point too. You know, about the, the long, you know, that, that the long process from say dole foe to going back to Chanel Jacob Chanel got inspiration from fisherman's tweeds, and then it the, to find with things started is, is increasingly it's an increased rate. You saying that someone like Craig should see it as kind of. Recognition or flattery that, that, you know, his something that he may have potentially originated as being reinterpreted by a contemporary. He's an influence. He is an influence Craig green is an influence in men's where it's not only you don't only see the that something you could say is green in, in Wheaton this you feel him as an inspiration elsewhere. And thank God. I mean, thank God that, that somebody, somebody like him to be an inspiration. I think it probably. I mean Virgil is such an intensely polarizing person. Hence the trolls. Yeah. I mean, what what I think is bizarre sitting with him when he starts talking about the red balloon being one of his influences now. And I wrote that, that was the first movie I ever saw, so it has that place in my heart that, that, that it was literally, the first time I'd ever been in a movie theater, you told us that your grandmother took me to the century theatre and long climbing street in Auckland New sound. And it was a flea pit but we set. And the movie becomes something else in my mind. I looked up it was thirty minutes long and it was won the Academy Award for best original screenplay in nineteen fifty-six, the only short film ever to win an Oscar for his original screenplay. But so in my mind, it becomes something else, but he mentioned this, and I'm thinking, wow. I mean a handle this guy. Now about this movie apparently, it's super famous. I didn't realize that, but anyway, he praises emotional buttons that when he when he told that to me, I was like, you know, I've choked up, I thought just by thought I'm remember the whole event and going to see the movie really, really vividly, and then I posted something, and with the red balloon and then boom, it's like oh, you criticize anything anymore. You why don't you take Virgil down? I posted a picture of a red balloon for God's sake me a break, but that's why all famous people they just say, don't read the comments. They learned that lesson lying, explain, I think the, I think, what this exhibition in Chicago, which probably won't get to see you mean Virgils exhibitions exhibition interests me because he said, fashion is thirty percent of it. And if you could clarify, but everybody how his practice is huge. I mean, it is he has fingers in so many pies. He's almost octopodes. Yeah. Prolific isn't understate. Yeah. And fashion is not every thing I've wondering now that if fashion is clearly part is clearly distinct from the other seventy percent of what he does. I'm wondering what will happen to his work in fashion. Now, I felt the season in both of white, and we tell there was substantial progress. I thought I think Lauren didn't review as well that she did. Did. I think people were more positive about about him, especially with retail. Yeah. She talked about wrath coming back. Yeah. How is that? I loved the shining miss that show because I was in Paris, I loved that show. And it's so funny. I really feel like you know, I can in with elder on an is drifting away on an iceberg. When I read about what everybody else said about his scathing attack, when American capitalism will capitalism in general or corporates thought corporate saying, of course, every car corollary, which was it was like commentary on his time at a big American Corporation, f-. Yeah. If and and, you know, using the music that he used to using that this is not America, but from, but not the David Bowie version, the version, from the David Bowie musical Lazarus, which Michelle go always used to close. The, the Calvin Klein shows in, you would say the echoes. And this sort of little visual crossovers here in there. I thought maybe less Warhol, which was Calvin Klein more Raozan bug, which was this time, but the big connection, and I don't know if people made it because maybe this is not so many people who are so anal about fashion show, invitations than I really am is he did a show. Cool history of the world, two thousand five where he listed. Things that have made his that, that part of the history of his world. And it's very, very it's, it's quite a diverse list, and it's, it's it requires a little bit of research to work out, who everybody is. And then he did it again on this invitation. And so if you make connection there but because that was his tenth anniversary. And that was a huge ego for him. That was the when he did make the quantum leap from being to being the, the sort of icon, and this is his twenty fifth so the honest changed the list had changed edited it. He added some people, but he'd taken off Jonas, Salk who invented the polio vaccine, and who gave it away, who wouldn't sell it to big pharma, of course. And he kept Giordano, who was burned at the stake in sixteen hundred for saying that the earth revolt around the sun. Basically, he was a monk, but he was very he was assigned to monk and both of those people in the sense that they will idealist who. Who? Persecuted for their idealism in a way, I thought that was kind of telling that because ref is a very idealistic individual and the sense that a power structure had persecuted him. I thought that was. I power structure, said persecuted, these idealists said he was keen to talk about in context official, I thought that was quite a, an I thought that was quite an interesting point quite oblique. He didn't make a big deal. But you could see, you know, he's a very measured and reflective individual, I was thinking more. I got. So I got that, but I was also thinking more the joy of being home, the joy of being back in Antwerp and the joy of having the one thing to focus on that is him. I thought you know, reintroducing himself to his constituency his models. For example, the sense of, of to me that show felt like an reintroduction to. His early golden years and will have shows that I never sold to begin with. It's been quite some time since he's done a show when he wasn't simultaneously. Yes. Thank you. Jill Sander or or inclined? So wonder how that impacts of creativity? It wasn't it wasn't like a greatest hits or anything, but it was definitely like a sort of exploration of the world of raff. I thought it was it was while he is me. I thought it was quite uplifting. But. Not everyone. Well, maybe stope, yet, uplift might help avoid scien- speaking of America. There were some young American showing in Paris, Phipps, and Spencer Phipps, who actually interesting work to Reese for long time he thinks rational. Yeah. Came from new to show in Paris also address for a long time. And then Emily bodies I ever runway show. And well, you know, it's funny because Thome flipped Tom. Ford's big commitment as the new head of the FDA is to promote American fashion internationally. And we had those three they enjoying Kutu. We have two more Americans route Ralph rucci showing 'em tation of Shumpert, Cinta, Colin Daniel rose redesigning separately. So it's, it's, it's, it's coincidence. But there is a strong American presence Justice. Tom Ford is making the statement I thought it was that they were the three voices will very distinct. Cease. I mean sandal lack in New York. The, the design if a cease Mahjong has always had more the color and the color sense. And the Langa as always seemed to me something that is quite reflective, his time with Greece, and it stood out in New York. Emily's, Emily bodies clothes. I love the, the some of the most narrative pieces in, in fashion at the moment that best so fine. And they seem so fragile and they have such incredible stories to tell like Horon story is so incredible. And then I'm Spencer Phipps. His story is, is kind of frontier spirit, Americana quite hiking. Both hype masculine, what I got from his show, was sort of men living off the grid. You know, I mentioned that photographer Alex off to him who, who has done some amazing photographs of, of exactly that people who live in caves, and the painted desert and so on. And, and I don't think anybody really approached them as three thinking of them as a group, you know. The extreme individual unspent as any of shown in Europe, in Europe, anyway, but interesting, I mean, I looked them up, Emily bodies family, did come to America on the Mayflower and the Phipps family. I spent two said he's not connected with, with the Phipps family. But great, great, great, great, great, great, great someone or other Phipps was Andrew Carnegie's business partner in Philadelphia. I think I would mix Phipps and Bodey of very fine old, American names, anyway. That's just my little sort of when I do my research, in the old is another coincidence. This coincidence is all adding up. I thought her she wasn't ready for the runway. I think you really need to you need to sit with her clothes, and really feel them. And yeah. And, and, and that the and the ideal way to discover and Emily Bodey collection. I think would be to find a gigantic trunk and open it up. And they will these incredible. When I met her at the LVMH prize presentation thing that they do. It's really striking when she walks you through and you and you see the details up close. And she she and Spencer are both finalists. I think yes, yes, so the one thing that came up a lot in the as I was going through the LVMH prize finalists in, in Paris, during the women's collections was the theme of sustainability in, you know, one thing that you were just mentioning. Was that, that came up also more than usual in the shows this season? But from a creative standpoint, I think if you look at say, what's Allesandro Satory is doing Zambia with the Zambia capabilities fabric capabilities that the circularity that twenty five percent of the collection being recycled up cycled. Fiber. I mean, the most beautiful thing and that show was, was upcycle cashmere coat. That was just I mean you look at things like that. And you think wow, I mean that it's not just the future. It's the future of luxuries, if you drive, everything that the if people see that as, as added value, you know that this coat is made from old cashmere coat so jackets, whatever then it was all sportswear, and regenerated nylon. And I you know, the, the process is fascinating to me. I don't really quite understand it when he's telling me that how these things go around four times on the whole circularity. Yeah. 'cause product just announced today on that. They are starting a whole new project on reclaimed nylon from ocean plastics fishing nets. And so this idea of Lyon, okay? Us Virgin island. Exact they're going to phase it out. So this whole idea that sustainability starts in the design process, you know, that's that's really important idea because, you know, good design sustainable design in the end will he? Alexandra was also saying that, that on when you recycle and upcycle fibers become shorter and they become crunchier said the hand of the fabric changes, and that becomes a whole opportunity for a designer to work with. So he was he was. He crushed the crush cloth. He did these seized the did these cases that were made out of fabric that looked like it had been, you know, like head the crunchiness on into it like semi Ocoee, used to do the one, I wanted to talk about the other the other sustainability thing that, you know, in psychiatry collection. The t shirts will made from protein. By this bio biotech company called spy so is that recycled or is it by manufactured firemen effect? So it's not recycling. It's reasonable. It's, it's sustainable. It's not it's, it's, it's, it's that it's that company that dice, que was telling us about this is there is there is the sustainability, there was the up cycling recycling. But reuse, and then there's this sort of technology finding solutions as well. You remember those speakers from voices Andres, docs and not Cy. Yeah. Who spoke bio manufacturing. Yes. Yeah. You see it starting to actually. Yeah. Slowly permeate itself into into the design. Thanks, mentally that. Within a within a few decades. It's conceivable there'll be no. There'll be no land to graze animals on anymore said any meet people are going to be easing is gonna be grown meat, not farmed meat, and as in fashion. I think you, you would you'd see that already had. They think it's a sort of thing that adds that, like, I said, added value don't wanna finish this without talking about that low every show in Paris, which was pretty major the jellabas and the pesticide. Why did it have that affect on people? I'm curious everyone walked out feeling pretty pumped about that show. I think I think, and I didn't speak to Jonathan backstage that you did, what was he saying we was talking about hyper hyphen normalization, but I'm not sure that, that was particularly on point. I it's it really was a continuation of what he has been doing at at LA vie. The sort of. The Bolivia's is believed size as species spirit, the Bali era size ation of number, but more than I thought it was more, I was getting more Tanjeh's just because jellabas and but I love the way that he would put them with matching trousers. So you had something that was like suit called it a new suit. Arlen india. That is a suit. Yeah. It's called a cell VAR Camis. That's you know, that's how it yes. Yeah. I felt there was just such a joy in that collection and your court that pajama rather Andy on and using the soundtrack from Allison wonderland. You know, the sense he was talking about escape and romantic young nomads. But at the same time. It, it, it felt it felt real to me it actually looking at it. I thought I would that's sort of the way I kind of fancy dressing, not fancy dressing. But I would like to address. Yeah, it was this thought there's a lot of thought, there's this joy, there's the same kind of thing. He doesn't his own collections is sort of. Playfulness Anna, sort of there is a sort of fairy tale element in, and it isn't really. It isn't really tied to what you see anywhere else. I mean when I think he was talking about that, that sense of building your own world, which was with hyping normalization came. And that, that was reality is so out of control that you start seeing this fake, the, the sort of fake reality, which is hyper reality, which is what an could assume was about. And, and so in the end, you know, he's talking about fashion being a reflection being a rejection, Driessen note and said the same thing as well fashioned as reflection is rejection reflection this season. I think as long as designers make clothes that have that that is so engaging and inspiring the notion of rejection doesn't seem as Neolithic as it might otherwise. And we will we'll go on looking to them for uplift in these troubled times, probably the most talked about moment, joy. This wasn't a fashion show though. Oh, should we talk about Carl's memorial for a minute? Well, because that was again, it was quite a polarizing event. Yeah. What did you make of it? Well, you dealing with the incontrovertible fact that he would have hastened the whole idea with what you mean, the big more than life-size, portrait's all over the Grand Palais just it was everything he'd asked for that wasn't, you know, everything everything everything he had asked for. He didn't want to didn't like an old Viking put him in his long button pushing that way. I think I think a lot of people in the industry we're looking for a way to officially remember him. So it was more for the mourners than for the mourned and sad for the people who are left behind behind it hasn't said for the dead purse. Yeah. Yes. So I think that that was for everybody to. Feel good about how much they missed call. It was like a variety show. I mean it was like turn to turn turn. It was quite funny like that. I mean he is Tilda Swinton doing Orlando. And he is a Tango dances. And here's a his a little buck doing his dance to reach you Sakamoto and this. Helen Mirren doing a little routine this Tango dances, again. And, and there's Farrell and it was just like, you know, like a. Like a variety show. Yeah. And the, the connection to things that, that you loved about Carl was was not was perhaps, a little more tenuous. But then how would you have that when he was on screen talking in some of the amazing things he says some of the pointed little asides, and some of the just the, the, the for 'isms that does dropped out of his last, what I realized is that the first time I interviewed him, he used all these expressions with me, and clearly he just use the same expressions with everybody, because they when they were coming up in all of these different sessions. Like I never looked for I'll never looked back look forward. If you look past the future is second. There's just like these things that he must have said over and over again. But I think the best thing was the Andrey oh, of course that was so fun where he was breaking up when he was doing that. Yeah. I hope they released. So just for that bit at the end 'cause that was Carl and his most unguarded on varnished, like no when no one ever saw few people saw him that and it was so beautiful to see that kind of humor and vitality and just like. Was doing the samba with sandy, Bryan. I was really cured. I mean, what, what can you say that hasn't really really what can you say that has already been said about Kellogg held in the last few months, there is very little left to say and I'm not sure that, that memorial edit particularly much to the conversation though, everybody talked about it. Yeah. And everybody was there. And it was fascinating to see the interplay of the, the, you know, the power struck the various power structures of fashion politics into weaving there. Mr. Valentino, Ralph, Lauren. Yes. Sitting in the front row was sitting there thinking who else would the fashion industry? Do this fall. I don't think anyone is going to get back kind of. Do you think they're sitting there wishing that they would perhaps there's no shortage of egos in this industry as we know? But I think I mean you know why, you know, apart from those emotional moments at the end what I really took away, which is like, wow, what a what a life lived. What a know what a vital. What vital carrot was just like a sliver now, but you still just got this sense of his like insatiable curiosity and contribution. There was another fifty years that we didn't even get a glimpse of xactly that event. Exactly. Well, Tim, we've run out of time. That's ran out of brain cells. That's all inside fashion this week. I'm an Ron, I'm Ahmed founder and CEO of the business of fashion here with our editor at large Tim blanks. It won't be too long before you hear from us again because Tim and I are headed back to Paris next weekend for the Kapoor shows. And if you're lucky convince him to sit down with us, again, tell us all about his unique perspective of everything that happens at fashion week. That's all for now. See you next week and by. 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Caitlyn Jenner On Embracing Your True Self & Identity, Finding What You Love, & Accomplishing Your Life Goals

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Caitlyn Jenner On Embracing Your True Self & Identity, Finding What You Love, & Accomplishing Your Life Goals

"The phone rang. Podcast is a deer media production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire and. He's a serial entrepreneur. Very smart cookie. And now lauren efforts in michael box dick bringing you along for the ride illness. Welcome to the skinny confidential in and her. I made a huge difference. Not talking about the trans community. Not talking about any of that kind of stuff as far as people that are struggling with their identity. Okay a huge impact. I've gotten so many letters over the years kids. You know suicide nine times higher than the general public and the community. That said i was going to commit suicide. But when i was watching seeing what you're doing you know if you're that strong i can be strong and so letters like i got so many of those of instill get them over the years and i feel like my greatest contribution that i can make is just being out there. Hello hello welcome back to the skinny confidential him and her show. We have a guest for you today. The caitlyn jenner is on the show. And i just have to say that. She was one of the warmest kindest coolest celebrities that i have ever met. She came in with no big. Pr team no fluff was totally down to earth. Totally herself and she was very very open. And just cool and we are a while. We sat for a long time and this is conversation. Goes all over the place it's a wide ranging conversation really really enjoyed our time with kaelin obviously extremely fascinating story an extraordinary life and i hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Just a pimp kaelin out and marie. Jenner is an american television personality and retired olympic gold medal winning athlete. Jenner has a huge established career in television film writing auto racing business and also was on the cover of playgirl found that out. She's also an author her book. I read it. It's amazing you guys have to check it out. Obviously you know her from the reality tv series keeping up with the kardashians. She was on it for years and years. She has six children many which are well known and she also did a series called. I am kate. Which focused on her gender transition kaelin has been called the most famous transgender woman in the world. Obviously we all saw her on the cover of vogue. That was so fucking cool. And i could not be more excited to introduce you to the caitlyn jenner. This is the skinny confidential him and her loved your buck. You don't want it's something that i'm extremely proud of. It was little over two years of talking eight thousand pages of memoirs shots and buzzing misinter- and buzzes phenomenal writer. And crazy. absolutely crazy that. I kept telling buzz. You have more issues than i have. But he's a pulitzer prize winning writer and the two of us. Just hit it off from the beginning. He's actually the guy that wrote the vanity fair article That's how i met him. Okay and so he was with me before. I mean before anything before. I transitioned this and that he was around in the old brugiere's just because of the vanity fair article and he was buses shocked that you're going to what and buzzes. Chris is outwardly. Cross dresser this. He's he's into all this crazy stuff so he was with the whole process and that was the vanity fair article and then when i decided after after that and i i wanted to do a book on it was for so many years. I never could talk about these issues. You keep all these things quiet especially growing up for me at a very young age. You'd never talk about this stuff well. The generations changed so much. What's taboo ten. Twenty thirty forty fifty years ago is now. It's not taboo. in fact it's looked people like it when you're yourself. Yeah well honestly. My victory in life is just waking up in the morning and just being yourself all day. Yes and that's part of hard to you. Know how much energy it takes to live. My life in the old days had some subtle boring life. Either you had one of the well. Yeah like you could not get more famous brand. And so i imagine it wasn't it wasn't just like can you live your like. It was like also living a berry extraordinary life in the public eye. Yes as you if you read the book right after the games are over with that night warning. Yeah i mean. I did all that stuff and that. Next morning i woke up. I was in a hotel room and it went into the bathroom and the metal was sitting gold medals sitting there on the bathroom counter. And i put it on looked in the mirror and not a stitch clothes on and looked at it and says what the hell did i just do. I build this character up so much. That i'm stuck with him for the rest of my life. Is he so big. Now that i'm stuck with him because there's so much more to my story than that and it was kind of depressing. And i really had to deal with over the next couple of days but then like so many things you just find. I call him distractions life. They're not they're just going on in life. Because i felt my kids being a parent and a father. This and that was for me. Was like this distraction from my and so my kids go. Oh my god union. That's all we were a distraction. And i go no no no. We're the best part of my life for. I said but for my for me. It was a distraction From who i was. Yeah it's just an after. Like after the games i just i got into working and eventually starting families and dealing with my issues on my own secretively. I had my little ways to escape. I did it totally been. I never exposed myself to any. I never talked to anybody about it. Besides very unselfish yet. Because i didn't want anything to if actually when i finally decided after many many years raising my kids amazing amazing children which i'm so extraordinarily i mean. That's the greatest thing i've done in my life is my kids if any one of them is when i find decided after everybody was raised in here i was sixty four years old at the time Still dealing with the same issues. I was dealing with at minot when i was ten years old. I thought you know what my whole life. I've just been here for everybody else. Now it's time for me to be here myself. And what am i going to do so obviously brought. All the kids wanted a time. I wouldn't want to gang up on me. So i i started with my son brandon. He was the first one. 'cause a brandon soo musician braid artists sayings talented talented talented kit. I started with him. I thought he would be the easiest and all the kids knew they distance know the extent of it they knew i mean something. I had got caught a couple of times. This and that and brandon's mother. Linda had talked to him about the issues. But it was like the little thing. Nobody talks about so now i sat down with brandon and his wife. And i said okay. This is what's going on and brandon said to me. He goes dad. I for an hour and a half talking stance. You know what. I've always been so proud of you to that. My father that. If i go to the airport and asked for i d and they see brian jenner and they say oh as bruce jenner. Your dad and he would always. Yeah yeah they all all the people always always always so nice when he comes in and we see them all the time and this and that and he said i was just always been very proud to be your son. That's your my father. He says but i've never been more proud of you. Then i have right now. What did that feel like. After all right. I mean it was just like yeah. Finally we talked about him. he's been in pretty much. Every kid has their own reaction. But i always thought one of them said no. You can't do this. I probably wouldn't have done it but nobody said that you know but that's also attributed sue amazing kids that you raised so that probably makes you feel good. They're open minded. Yeah i mean yes they are open minded and they just want me to be happy. They're all grown up now and they're adults pretty much at the time they were still very young kendall and kylie were the youngest update already started all their stuff their lives and actually kylie had not started. The cosmetic company kendall was just getting started in the modeling world but they weren't worried about any of that. They just wanted me to be happy. Said well that make you happy. And i she yes so i said okay. I'm in hold up. We are going to talk about palmer's palmer's you know it you've seen it everywhere palmer's has been caring for your skin since nineteen forty and it is america's number one cocoa butter brand so the one that i like is the cocoa butter formula original solid jar. And this is going to give you that twenty four hour deep hydration all over it heals it softens and leaves your skin smooth and moisturised. Also you should know that. 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Do you remember an epiphany where you had where you looked in the mirror where you had a dream or where something happened where you realized i am not in the right body and this is uncomfortable. I never felt the sense that i'm in the wrong body. Okay i mean a lot of people say that. That's kind of little catchphrase. I i was born in the wrong body. No i was born with the wrong head. I took my body and did everything i could with. I was not embarrassed by this. And that and i look back on all of that as life goes on and you're looking back on your life and i found sports in fifth grade i was also dyslexic and so perceptual edges had a hard time picking words up off a piece of paper and that's the small problem. The big problem is self confidence. You think you're not as smart as all the rest as 'cause that supposedly simple process doesn't just is not smooth for me. It doesn't work that way but the bigger problem is lack of self confidence. She is afraid to go to school because i was afraid that teacher. Who's gonna make me read in front of the class. Etiquette had no problem. They just read right through me. I would kind of struggle with it. And i'd get through it. You wouldn't do a very good job with it. And i didn't want anybody to know that so i really didn't like school. But then so. I lacked a lot of self confidence. And also you never talk about identity issues especially you know. I grew up fifties late fifties early sixties in school and there wasn't even a name for back there. She just keep your mouth shut and move on. I did play around with my mom or my sister's clothes or this or that. When nobody was around. I was always fascinated by that but taboo. You don't get caught and your mom never said anything or were suspicious at all. She never. I'm my mom. Never knew to the day. I told her well when she was Eighty eight eighty nine. She's ninety four now. Yeah still going. She had no idea nobody. Did my sister my older sister. I had told her thirty years earlier. We were at dinner. And i said you know what onus octa about some something. I've been dealing with forever. And we talked about it and she was like in shock. Lays everything's fine. I'm fine everybody's fine okay. And then we never really talked about it again. After that. Until i decided i was going to do this. Because she just think of and i maybe but it was just like. Don't talk about those things. I i know. They don't understand. And when i told her finally i told her you know what i i am doing this. She was like. Oh my god. What am i girl gonna say and my first thought was really. Don't care what your girlfriends are going to say. We'll be okay. I guarantee you'll be okay and everybody through this whole thing. The whole family everybody. That's close honestly. I'm a better person this way. I i have less junk to deal with in life and can be a more loving person especially to people that are close to me. You know you do change one set of issues that you had growing up most of your life you trade that with another set of issues and that steaming. What's the set of issues so there's a total misunderstanding to people that are dealing with their gender identity. They don't get it. And i i agree. I mean i didn't get it. I didn't know why felt this way. You know. I mean. I'm not blaming them for not getting it but it's how can you go from the most masculine male as people think of you okay. It's not really me but the perception is that olympic champion decathlon athletics. Good looking guy and this and that out to you throw all male privilege way. How do you throw all that stuff to what people's perception of women is that they're a weaker. They're physically weaker emotionally weaker. All these types of things. I don't believe that but that's people's perception and you live all the time. And how can you give all that away and become quote a female i of all i don't think any females week i think females have so much over guys. Yeah my husband can be a real pussy sometime. Yeah yeah yeah and you made him that way. I'm sitting right here. Oh you're married and you know that okay. I get it all right now. You'll see some dynamics cut the interesting now now. Well now we can talk. We just met a minute to sell the real close. We're going to get to know each other very coach me through some things here yes well. People don't understand the issue because of that. There's there's a lot of hate out there when you're a member of probably the most marginalized community in the world is the trans community and people will don't understand i'll take just i mean not that i really care. But once in a while. I'll read instagram stuff. Foot mill comments and heckle are these idiots. The good news is ninety. Nine percent of the people on who follow me all just blast him but they always come around and they're always the first ones there it's like they're sitting in their room with a lot of hate and all of a sudden you post something and they're like the first wants to post the remarks. Hey grows why would you you know this. And that no bio. It says god is good and always be kind and it's always a troll. The trolls always have be kind. Bu love jesus. I wanna talk about that a little bit with you. Because i saw you comment on elliott pages transition and i also saw that you tickets. I want to talk about double standards a little bit. I feel like when you transitioned. I'm very happy that your family was so supportive and the people closer support. But i feel there's a double standard where like you also got a lot of shit from a lot of people that are very supportive of other people in hollywood transitioning. But maybe if you don't fit that agenda or that kind of typecast it's not as forgiving with someone like yourself and i wonder if you ever if you've ever thought about that double standard see. We're going to talk. We can talk about that stuff off the air. Yeah i gotta be very careful with that. The trans community is probably more critical than the general public. You mean view transitioning compared to someone like elliot transitioning of me being a being white. I have a job. I've been successful. Have white privilege celebrity privileged. I've got every privilege there is in the world. I agree with that my do. I've worked hard my whole life and for that. You can't be spokesperson for the community. What do you think yes. Yes because you didn't live in the gutter and twenty five percent of all prostitutes or trans. Women didn't go hoping for a living and this and that so you don't you don't understand you don't understand you know. At first. i would say. I had thought i could really make a difference in change the world and a lot of ways. I did just being myself. But i mean i try to do things politically back in washington. Dc all the time trying to change things and and because politically obviously is a big issue. That we have. I would go back to the first couple of years ago. Back every couple of months back in washington. Dc meet with senators congressman and this and that on the issues one time. I had dinner with fifteen evangelical christian conservative republican senators and congressmen. Okay we call them the enemy and we had this dinner and it was me actually in another trance girl. We sat there for three hours talking about the issues trying to explain things to them and actually it by the end it worked out very well made friends with everyone still friends with some of them to now you know that i can call them up and say hey look i did a lot of that but i did a deal with mac for lipsticks and hundred percent of the sales went to the the mac aids fund which is a big problem in the trans community. Also we gave away a lot of money. Two point two million dollars. I static kind of inspired me to start my own foundation and over a couple years have raised about six hundred thousand dollars gave it to trans organizations here and this and that and let me tell you. It was very disappointing for me. After near the end that i would help some of the organizations here in the los angeles area and they would have an event that i helped pay for and they would ask me not to come up to controversial and i said fine. I don't i don't need to come not looking for all that kind of stuff. But why do you think it is that you're constantly even. I watch that comedy. Central row suits it which i thought great by the way and also very good sport but i had a lot of fun with that. I looked like it. But i like if they were as hard on someone. Like an elliott page or any other trans person in the trans community as they were on you. People would be up in arms but for some reason when they do it to you. It's okay and i. And i wonder if you just if you think about that or how they were hard on you. Oh yeah well they. You started off. You were everything was by an ice cream And then yeah. They came down. I was on the wrong side of issues for them of always been conservative more on the republican side. That anything and i mean that's like taboo. Oh my god you can't do that you you have to be a liberal democrat and all that kind of stuff. Well i never have been never will be you know i believe in limited government and all that good stuff and certainly social issues. We need to take care of the people but the only way you can take care of the people's absolute booming economy you know and everybody's got a job in everybody's working and so you know. Those are the types of things that that i believe in. But you just can't do that and you know you're white and i've had members of the community just tear into me and that's like guys only trying to help them. I'm here to help you. That's what i find ironic because you had such a powerful platform in such a known face personality and you doing something like this should be an indicator and a beacon for anyone else. That feels the way you did too to also feel empowered and their transition. If they're look for some reason why you still get shit for it. I like meeting. It was as far as making a change in the world. When i transitioned okay. I'm a huge difference. Okay no doubt not talking about the trans community. Not talking about any of that kind of stuff. As far as people that are struggling with their identity. Okay a huge impact. I mean i've gotten so many letters over the years Especially right at the beginning of kids. A suicide nine times higher than the general public and the community. That said i was going to commit suicide. But when i was watching seeing what you're doing you know what if you're that strong i can be that strong and so letters like i got so many of those of instill get him over the years and i feel like my rapist. Contribution that i can make is just being out there without mid trying to change the world. Just be out there too shows. I did a show last year and in london are in australia for a british television. Shoot big show and all that kind of stuff but it was just be out there. 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I look back on that. I often say if i did not have those issues. I would never be in the place that i'm in today. Okay they actually. I used what what. I considered my weaknesses to be my greatest strength because it made me more determined than the next person. I worked harder than the next person. It was more important for me to do well in sports. Because i had all these. I never told anybody didn't tell my parents is hell. Nobody but it's just it's all in your head why you out trained him. As i went up the ladder wasn't just trying to make my high school team. Now trying to be the best in the world at something was just totally so driven. And i look back on that life and i go. Jesus i was kind of crazy. I mean all the training and everything that i was doing. But if i would have been average i would have been like etiquette every kit out there. Okay reader middle of the road student. No identity issues. This and that when sports came along. I wouldn't have needed it so it had been like every other kid when it comes. Sports sports is kind of fun and this and that he thought to it but to me it was much more important. You used it to me instead of victimize you'll a weird way these these identity thought that you were having like baby helped fuel you to become a world champion so what you're saying. Absolutely what kind of mindset. You have to be to get to that level of champion. I mean like when you're competing you're competing against the best in the world. What goes what do you have to be thinking on a daily weekly basis in order to compete at that level. You have to be crazy at so well to get in. I trained the last twelve years. The decathlon running that in particular the last six of the years. That's basically all i did was train. I try and six to eight hours a day every day. Three hundred sixty five days out of the air. I put the work in competed all over the world. The last three years of my career. I never lost meat. I want to remind i was in. I broke the world record twice before going to the games and the broke it again at the games and then walked away. But i was totally. I mean i lived on nothing fact a couple of days ago. This good friend of mine. Ron michael. He was also in san jose when i was training the last four years and he was a little older former all american in the discus now in the business world he helped me make a few bucks So i could train more. you know. we've been friends ever since we played been playing off and we. It was his eightieth birthday. And we were out celebrating his eightieth birthday for around a golfer sherwood and but it was people like that. That turned around and help me. I i lived really cheap. I lived in a hundred and forty five dollars a month apartment. One little bedroom right next to the track. I drove a sixty three. Vw bug. i paid one hundred seventy five dollars for and you don't need a lot of money to train and you just need to eat well and take your vitamins and surround yourself with really good people. And that's what i was able to do. Training was test. But i also had an ending for me. I could give a lot of things back. Then in the seventies why because on the thirty th of july in nineteen seventy six. It was going to be over with. I was done. I'm moving on their so many more important things in things that i do in my life that i don't wanna spend my whole life running around a track. I'll do it now. And that finality of it all really helped you said something and i felt this in your book to you said you looked in the mirror after you won the medal and you felt depressed. Do you think that was because you may be got an astronaut syndrome. Where you you did everything you could possibly do with that in it almost made you feel depressed because it's like where are you going to go when you're on the top not at all. I walked away. I walked away that night. I broke the world record that day for the third time i was retired. I'm done and i kind of looked thought to myself. You know what i am. The luckiest human being in the world. I said how many athletes retire from sports and have climbed every mountain. There was no other mountains to fly. I remember the first time. I broke the world record. I was established by said adding got that thing in nineteen seventy five year before a second time. I did it. I had a good me. I'd already climbed that. Mountain may just put that mountain a little bit higher and i thought i i no regrets whatsoever i did. I climbed every mountain. Did everything i wanted to do. Not too many people can say that. So walkaway satisfied and move onto honestly the more important things in life like life itself. I had no regrets. I was very happy. I will but i was very lucky. Also i was the right person in the right place at the right time. And nineteen seventy six Everything came together. It was the highest rated olympic games of all time now a days if they get like a top show. If you get like twenty share your like the biggest hit in history nineteen seventy-six. We're getting between seventy and seventy five shares while the entire country watched okay. It was a different time. It was bicentennial year. I wonder what would have been like if there was social media then yet no social media honestly no cable industry. This was the last olympics before cable. Came and seventy six i think. Hbo started seventy eight with the cable industry. And then espn was seventy nine so you just had three networks to watch. It was bicentennial year at three weeks earlier. We celebrated two hundred years of this country. Patriotism is at its height. everything's there. It's the right time zones because it's in montreal canada right over the river so it's in the new york times. I'm so everything was done live. Nobody knew what the results now with the internet. The results before it even goes on tv unless it's really live live but because of time zones as exchanged so yeah. I was kind of just in the right place at the right time. And this is your. You're married to your first wife at this point. Okay and so you had two kids three kids eventually. We had two kids together to count yet not yet and so when when you want. And you're a static. Did she feel the same excitement. Yes obviously so. We were very excited. Both of us. But as you look back on it it was probably one of the reasons eventually for years later. Five years later that the marriage probably collapsed. Because the as i'm talking to married couple okay vice. Yeah tell us everything people change. Hey okay constantly change. What circumstances are this and that people change all the time and for a relationship to be able to stay together why you have great changes and each one of your lives okay. It's tough to do. I look at a lot of older couples. That people married forty years fiftieth. They really haven't had many changes in their life okay. They've been kind of the same people they get up in the morning. They go to work come home. They have dinner. They may go do something. This and that the pretty much stays same thing but like with the games. I mean here i was just totally obsessed with training and and winning and christy was a flight attendant for united airlines so she went off on her trips and then all of a sudden after the games. I couldn't walk down the street in new york city. Nobody knew who i was. I was living in one hundred forty five dollars a month apartment and all of a sudden after the games. You're this big superstar. You're doing commercials for wheaties and this and that duty your site not mind at all. Didn't bother to be honest with you. I i thought it was pretty funny. You know that's pretty cool till well. Yes cool it's like get a job i remember. The guy handed me the contract three months after the games are not living on seven hundred dollars a month and handing me the contract for general mills and cisco relations. You're a millionaire go okay Yeah things change quickly. But i'll always remember the fact about thirty years later. I ran into him. And i said oh my god. You're the guy who had me to that contract. And congratulations and i support our. I remember that moment but in like a relationship are changed our relationship dramatically. I mean where. I was in my life where she was in her life. Almost like you went way out here. She's back here. The dynamics of the relationship was it just puts an enormous strain on. Everybody you know. Christie jessica person. I mean i don't have any issues with her. And this and that we had you know and then we wound up after the games having two children which are great kids burton casey and have gone on to lead. Great lives but yeah to keep a relationship together when things do change. Can you change together. The really good ten really tat van. You met linda at the playboy mansion. Right oh jesus. I forget all the where in hollywood. We're looking out over hollywood. And you're bringing up the hi judith. Reciting your book. That i was that i read by the way. If you guys have not read caitlyn's book it is so good of my life and caitlyn jenner. Look route of it yeah. It's i have to tell you ready on like two days. Yeah yeah it's it's very good. Yeah i am very proud of very honest. Boy is it. Yeah and i liked that okay. You meet linda at the playboy mansion. Just what did you notice. First about her she looked good. She's beautiful woman. Yeah so did you go up to her immediately or were you like. I could imagine as well it was. We were at the playboy mansion because it was sunday afternoon and there was a celebrity tennis match there. I was playing a lot of tennis at the time. That's why i was. There wasn't like a nightime thing and so I went up there. I i just look good and we always started talking this and that app talking throughout the day and basically i was separated from christie. But it wasn't public we lived apart. We were separated and free. In the first time. I was ever free and so anyway we went out for a little bit and then christie came back and we tried to work it out for about six months or months. She eventually left again. I called linda ups. I guess what she's gone again. Because i never talked to her in between we hit it off we had a good time and then to have a two great boys and brody hold up we are talking about the first to market bestselling nutrient infused water with a hundred essential vitamins. Including and this is my favorite part. 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I hope i'm saying this right elvis's ex wife or girlfriend growth and so that's a whole different story to unpack them. Sure as well okay. So you're with linda for up on all of this. I can't help it. The book is so good. You guys it's like i. i'm a big reader. I love to read an autobiographies on my favorite. And like i have to tell you buzz. You guys did a buzz buzz. Buzz was great. Yeah great you really did great. Every time i would read like the chapters and stuff. And i remember when talking to buzz and we were talking about the games for days and i hope the hugs. Want to talk about tamed up. So sick of the games. I gotta things. I'm doing now. Why are we talking about the games and he goes. You gotta put it in context. People don't know that are reading this what you accomplished and where you were back then you need to really establish that to a lot of people so they can understand today you know. Are they so important. Yeah it is. It is important but at the time just like this is a book about hewlett was passed. That was done so about a week later. I have some off road vehicles. And i'm with my son bert. He's racist cars and in this and that we were getting with a bunch of his buddies and we were taking back up into the out into the desert and so we stopped at this place for breakfast. I'm fully transitioned at this point. No way to say knows before a transition before we came out on it. We're sitting around tape with all these kids you know. These guys are like twenty twenty one years old and this and that and somebody brought up something about the olympics and the guy turns around looks many goes. You're in the olympics. I yeah actually was you had it had it you do as well. I won one gold medal and actually broke the world record. That day cuss. Oh my god. Really and i thought this was like a week after. I had the conversation with buzz about the games. I says you know what you're right to put the whole thing in proper perspective. You need to do that. No it's good we. We all needed context. I think that's such an important part of life. Besides putting in youtube run in the four hundred meters or something like that so after linda. You met chris as you remember from the book after linden i. We went our separate directions. Those were six years of struggling for me. I was trying to figure myself out. Okay and how did that manifest itself like what was what was the main struggle. Who am i yeah. It seemed like it seemed like you were you. It seems like you're you're very very creative but it seems like and this is how me and my husband are. He can't he kind of comes in and helps me refine refine refine. It seems like in the book. This is what it seemed like. Chris did that for you. She helped refine your vision and execute. I was fortunate. I if i would have met her three years before we did. It took six years off in life. And i moved to a little at least the a little house in malibu really small. Little place didn't really wanna work trying to figure myself out. I thought i'm going to transition before forty. I can't take this. You were thinking about it right then. Like oh yeah. This is eighty four to eighty five in there. I was on hormones. I finally back then in the eighties before the internet. How difficult it is to find a therapist to find anything you can't and eventually you keep plugging along. And eventually i found this therapy studios in this issue. The first person i ever sat down and talk to about little trudy hill. I was with her for like five years. But had electrolysis done doing all these things to i want to do this before. I'm old. I don't wanna be like an old check and all this sort of stuff i want to be able to enjoy myself and this and that so i'm gonna do it before forty so i got to thirty nine after doing all his side been on hormones for four and a half years. The rumor mills were kind of going about me. What were they saying. Well the new york times is gonna ride article that i was a cross dresser because i had had a little bit of a nose job. I kinda had a peek at my nose. I had that done which is really small. But i had been on hormones which changes your appearance somewhat. I had had completed electronics done. That was two and a half years of getting needles stuff in your face. Yeah it's very painful. So i always getting all this stuff done. The kind of the rumor mill started back then and it was started with the new york times article that i was a cross dresser. Do they give you a heads up. They were just or you heard from somebody else. I had appear company. That all down nierob at rogers and cowan and he was kind of just getting started in the pr business. And didn't someone see you at a hotel or something that that happened later. That's later okay. Go ahead my allan appear guy calls up. Says this guy wants to do this. Article saying your cross dresser allen related. Didn't much at the time and said oh okay. That's not going to work in my head. I'm not a cross dresser. i'm just although. I do stress of not cross dresser. I'm just trying to be myself. I sat allen Okay we gotta have a meeting. So i have this very powerful lawyer and rothenberg my manager george and alan and we sit down and room and i kind of told him my story and i said this is what i've been dealing with all my life on and on and on. They're all kind of surprise but they go okay and so i said but you got i. Can't you know i can't break. Have this article come out. I mean cheeses. Kill me so alan shut. Shut the article down. Just called him up and just kept. Are you kidding me. i'm i you bruce jenner. Yeah right okay. Don't write something that's so kind of talked the guy out of it but still the rumor was out there. I got to thirty nine. And i just couldn't go any farther couldn't do it as i look back just wasn't time for me. Everybody does it in their own timeframe. Every transition is different. Everything you know you got to do it in your own way. What's right for you. And got. And i said i just can't do it. I don't know what i'm gonna do. We lived in this house for six years. Not being a good parent was good with my kids. I was just not a good person. At that time. I side okay. I gotta i gotta get back into life. I just can't do this sitting here every day by myself. I gotta get back into life and then honestly about four months later five months later because my head was the lamar open. Kansas candace garvey steve. Garvey the baseball players his wife. We're we're on a fishing trip and she brought up this. She knew chris she goes of my. God yeah i set you up and otheir elgon anyway. We did wind up going out about a week later. We all went out to dinner. Yeah that was it we were. We were together married five and a half months later. She had four kids. I had four kids kind of tried to do our best to blend a family of eight kids. Yeah we had twenty three really good years together. What do you think it was about. Chris that made that relationship moves so fast. When you guys it sounds like it was just like lightning in a bottle right away from me. She was very different. She was very classy at a great sense of style. Tour shoes very smart. I always liked strong women and she was very strong. I always put kind of women up on a pedestal. And and and i'd love strong women independent women and she was all of those things and she was very different for me. I mean you know. She lived in beverly hills and i'm not a beverly hills person. She had just been going through a divorce. And no we're just kinda hit it off from the beginning and then she kind of like helped you. I feel like it seemed and you helped her in a way like really create this massive brand because oh she did. Yes god yes. So what did she saw. All these like accomplishments that you had in the seems like she was able to like at the beginning at the beginning. I had not really for those six years. I was hanging out. Leased house in. Malibu not really been motivated to work and then i'm thinking oh boy okay i would get married. Pick up for more kids a gap for. I gotta get back to work. And so. Chris and i talked about that a lot she goes. Well i'm gonna take it over. I'm going to run this thing and i go. Oh okay do it. And so. I had had my manager for seventeen years. We walk into a meeting. The two of us kind of just as were engaged. But we weren't married yet. She just basically said you're going to be fired. I'm taking over. She's this dat and he goes. He was a little upset to say the lays went my accountants. All that sorta stuff year gone. We're taking everything in house and i are dumb. A lot of public speaking. I do motivational speaking for and ever since nineteen my first nineteen seventy two and that always been that was just kind of the constant was always there speaking engagements. But i hadn't done much. Because i just hadn't been motivated. Ask us what we're gonna start with that. And so she made up these beautiful brochures and start sending him out to speakers bureaus and making contacts and all of a sudden spe- started coming back and then we started in the first year. The infomercial world early nineties was just getting started. And i was asked to do this infomercial. The stair climber plus i thought why not let's look into it and so of course. I did him together. That was the first time she'd ever done anything on camera. It was so funny. She was so bad she was a beverly hills housewife. She'd never she'd never been like speaking in front of a camera looking at a camera and being you know yourself and this and that so i i stood behind the camera. I'm watching her first on camera and i went home my god. It didn't even sound like you. Who was that person that was talking there. And anyway i said try to helper get her. You know calm down. it's okay anyway. Eventually she got really good just like all my kids they got really good and that was kind of the beginning and then that started generating something and as lead to other things to other things to other things and you know eventually the show. Do you feel like you got like a second win there for in terms of your career like do you feel like you had purpose again. An enduring that six year period. It sounds like you're kind of trying to find yourself in both professionally and personally and then with this was do you feel he was like a second wind or like how did you feel. It was a a second third and fourth wind. The But i've never been much like career motivated. Like i've gotta do this or this. And that i like making a decent money's not that important to me. It's just that i i like to have a decent house. I don't want a big house. Decent house maybe a couple of nice toys. I'm fine a golf course. I can go to i. I don't need any more than that. I don't need massive homes. And i've had those. I don't want to home where i have to have an intercom put into. Just so i can find my kids. I'm like that too. Whenever i envisioned my life. I even if i made a shit ton of money i i would rather have something. I don't know if it's a control thing i want to i want. I don't want an inner complex simple. Yeah i agree with that. What is it like in. This is kind of a plot twist but what is it like being a massive celebrity. What's the weirdest thing about it for. You live so much of your life normal. Well what. I told my kids. I said to him first of all every person you meet and do something better than you can do so true so true. They do something better than you do. So don't come on your high horse and think you're odd shit okay. Because they could do something better than today. Been better in math in high school or whatever are what whatever it is. I've met kids and they seemed like just these normal little kids ice caves maybe a little shy this and that and then they walk up to a piano and they just can't rock the piano go. Jesus where did that come from. I didn't know they could do something or play the violin or do something play sports. Whatever it is they can do something so stay humble number number two first of all and be nice to everybody. I would always tell them this story. I would say. Be nice to everybody. Even curse person carrying your bags nineteen seventy-six. The first word show i ever did was for abc. Sports was battle of the network stars. Net one pepperdine university with howard cosell man howard hosting the celebrity event and we were back in new york doing the voiceovers running a little late. And so this is one thousand nine hundred seventy six so we asked one of the production guys if they go over to my hotel room throwing my stuff in a bag because i had a plane to catch and then just get in his car and then wait at the bottom rockefeller center. Just wait down there. So soon as i'm done because running late i can run down there a bumpy. He gets me out too and it was a nice good looking guy very nice guy anyway. That guy today. Bob eiger so my god. That is such a good story. It's in his son just finished his. Oh yeah i always called him. My valet about my bags over. Could you get those for me. You know everybody. I can't talk to them. You don't understand. Bob and i go back. And i'm an new willow before he had even she had met. Bob yes so. I say be nice to everybody with the kids. I said you have to look at being a celebrity. Okay you're gonna look in a lot of different ways but look at that is first of all it's a kind of a bunch of bs. Being a celebrity is but more importantly look at it as a business just like any other business. That's out there. Being a celebrity can be a business and boy did my kids listen to me on that one. I don't yeah a you can. You can be a celebrity to build very good life for yourself. Okay and you have to treat it like a business and the things you do things you say the way you build your brand or build your business. I also told him. I said you can only build up so much equity in yourself. Okay what does that mean. You can only build up so much equity in the sense that what your time is worth. And what's your images worth. You can only build up so much when that when the weedays contract is over with okay. That's gone you move on hopefully to the next thing. I said if you really want to build something you have to build businesses because then you not only build equity in yourself build even a hundred times more equity in your business. Okay that's where the value lies. Okay so as being an entrepreneurial starting businesses all that kind of stuff and they certainly took me on that one. Yeah they all started businesses smart. When you think about kylie and kendall and the reason i ask about them because your other kids are older and they grew up in a time where maybe there wasn't as much of the they weren't as public but kylie and kendall were so young when everything was taken off and they've always been in since i mean what tange wilburs ultimate in the public eye. Are there things that you would tell. Them are cautioned against that. You don't have to talk to the older kids about because they've only ever been in the public. I know my kids. They didn't really want to be in the show at the beginning to be honest with you. Chris decided and i agreed with her that we would take any money that they made their only like ten years old. They're young very young when the show started and That we would put it in a trust account for them and they couldn't touch until they're eighteen never thinking that the show coat at long. It's been twenty something years it's it's been. It's not like thirteen years. I think they've done over five hundred episodes. She's it's been off forever and anyways they put all their money away certainly didn't need it. Living is very nice lives and but then when they were eighteen. Had this nice little nest egg so they could go out and do stuff. That's how kylie started coty cosmetics cape kendall the freedom to go out and She wanted to get in the modeling world. Yeah i remember kendall telling me she was like fifteen sixteen somewhere in there she goes. I'm gonna be victoria's secret model. I look i'm not going to disgorge. I said great. But my head of thinking burr and long behold when she turned eighteen she didn't even have a job in the modeling world. She got an agent shoe into new york cold calls. Nobody knew who she was besides obviously from the show but nobody really knew who she was and kept going on little calls getting turned out for runway event. Monday stuff and then finally mark jacobs gave her job and she went out and did her run where i run away with marc jacobs and i saw you at the victoria's secret fashion show. I think it was the new york. One yes and she was walking down the runway. Well she told me. She goes months before she goes. I'm going to do victoria's secret now. Show ally said oh. That's so cool. Is i'm gonna be there and she goes no i said what do you mean no. She's not. I don't want you to come. She really has this thing about. This is my thing not the family stuff. This is ideal. Okay i come. And i great a commotion or whatever it is it takes away from her and i said i said okay. I'm going to be there okay. I'll be quiet and discreet as i possibly can. But i guarantee you. I will be in the front row but i won't do too much hooting and hollering. I said bugged. You told me three or four years ago that you wanted to be. Victoria's secret model. And you're they're going down the runway. I'm going to be there to see it at other is to it. it's done f- little reno. Four years later she would be the most successful highest paid model in the world but she did it through the cattle. I mean she would go out for a week on the road and literally travel around the world working in different places all around the world. She back eight days later nine days later and she'd literate circum neck. Heavy gated the world and done modeling jobs on all these different places. She would never stop. I mitch. You worked really hard. She would be on all night flights and going here going there. It's a tough business ga- that's why she got their out of all your kids. Who do you see yourself in the most because it sounds like kendall. Maybe kendall and i have a lot in common yeah. She's very athletic. We kind of both had the same attitude towards life. But and i get along very well with the two of them but i just seem to be closer at most the time. Kendall's off kind of doing her thing kyla last night at kylie's house. We try to do that once a week. Once every two weeks. I go over there and she has these great meals prepared. She doesn't do him. Yeah she doesn't she doesn't go there so good. It's better than a better than a restaurant. Sophia like lascaux sophia. kylian myself. And just three of us nobody around this and that just in the house. She has some beautiful homes. Just talk for an hour and have a glass of wine and talk about stuff and this and that and so from that standpoint. We're a lot closer. Kendall's not that. She's always very his more secretive. We're still very close. But it's kinda hard to figure out where kylie's more of an open book. Let me ask you this in in your life and in your family's i've been so public. Are there things you miss about. Anonymity like being like not so public. Because i look at this all the time and in a way like everybody looks at celebrities. Like oh my god this pinnacle of fame. But i but i look it in another way where sometimes i feel bad in away if they see someone like yourself is out and you can't be left alone or you can't eat dinner with people snapping your pictures. We have people listening. Like do you ever miss that. Part of your. I've always nice to nice to everybody. You know you wanna picture. I'll take a picture and my kids. Sometimes it's very difficult because they can get overwhelmed out there. But because of what i've been able to do and the business i've been able to develop. I have a very good life you know. I've got a great nice. Little house out. Malibu amid aviation. I got my airplane race cars. I can do this and that. First of all. After i transitioned i thought. Can i still do all that stuff. And i thought why the hell not. Yeah i have my life outside of that. It's like when you go off of the property it. You're gonna be working but you never missed just being able to just walk down. The street without people always looked to it. It's outside when you leave your compound what's going to happen. Here's the deal. It's almost like being celebrity. As like being you'll be able to lauren. Understand this being a beautiful woman out in public. You get stared at true to get stared at you. Guys are all looking walking down the street guy serve staring at you rightfully so i mean and so i've always kind of felt being celebrities like that because then you stand out okay. You got the blonde hair very beautiful face your great and you but you're used to that you can handle yourself. Some guy makes some comment. You can handle yourself. You know you know how to deal with that. And it's the same way as being celebrity your recognize for your face and who you are and what you've accomplished and all that kind of stuff people would stare at you. The tougher part is especially in today's world. And i've seen it change since i've been around for so long is social media and the public it's social media can be absolutely brutal with people commenting or people like what now so just. It's a tremendous loss of people's privacy. Yeah okay temendous loss of my privacy. It may but i use. I mean i use social media. And but i use it to see what can i do. I like to community. I just started a youtube joan. Okay so what can we expect on your youtube channel. Well i do everything. I've got about fifteen sixteen shows that i've done so far during the pandemic i got nothing to do. I've never not worked. Why do you not have a podcast. I've thought about that. It becomes a lot of work like the youtube channel. Just because i like doing the visual kind of stuff tang and because that's what i've always done and bit on camera this and that on my youtube channel i just do a wide variety of everything done from cooking shows to make up to orioles levitt to fly my airplane k. I had one the other day. I've got a gopher problem. What do you mean. I have a lot of gophers in my on my property. Okay they're coming in eating my plants. I mean i'm caitlyn. Jenner's property if i'm gonna go to say so. They all came up in their eating. All like these the cactus type things that stick up and they like them and So of course. I get on youtube and i just say i need help and would you go to my youtube channel or go in his room. Tone go over there. I need some help. please an an ankle on. I got this whole thing about my gophers. I show whether eaten all these plants. And i got pieces of plants all over the place. I'm showing on the halls. How do i get rid of him. I don't want to really kill them. But if i catch him and then just take them off in the mountains and get rid of them and let them do their thing up there. And oh my god. I got thousands of comments of people coming up with every right down to call bill murray. And that's a good one. I thought that was a really good one. Call bill murray. Oh you do it this way. They gave me suggestions on different types of plants to plant that. The gophers wouldn't go after. I mean a lot of really good stuff. Sony bought three cages. And i put lettuce in there. Put some carrots in there. They get these cages. Where i can just go catch him and i put it out there for days at all. I caught was rabbits. I never got to watch the. We might not be able to stay. No yeah and i. I never caught one gopher but i caught a lot of rabbits but i let the rabbits go. They were well fed rabbits when they left in the morning and the gophers are still there. The goat well. I don't know that's a very good question. Because as i walked by the area they were all at. They've eaten everything is nothing left for them to eat. And so i'm wondering did they move on. Maybe maybe they moved on but more importantly when you were outside. Were you wearing sunscreen. Yes as a matter of. I always wear my sunscreen which brings up our subject. Yes luma soul yes. Tell us about this situation and and how how got really got started. Give us the background. Okay so Sophia my good buddy. She moved she went to pepperdine really really really smart. A lot of fun to be around about four four and a half years ago when she got a pepperdine she wind up moving in to my house. Because i was there all by myself. We've been best friends. Everybody asked oh. Are you romantically involved. No watches the best of friends. Okay and over the years now now. Sophia is amazing person. She was a finance Economics major finance major at pepperdine. She was like president of the freshman sophomore junior classes at pepperdine. Amazing career she. She won the state debate. Champion and the state of washington. She's probably calling me right now. Looking for the worst it would be because she's keeping up. She's how long you've been there. What did you said yeah side. You said she can come on next time while she said yeah. Oh it's my son brandon. Well wait. I know what he's asking. I know exactly what he's asking. Yes my son brandon but anyway she's just an amazing so she came in. She was only young. She was like twenty years old twenty one years old twenty years old. I think she moved in but she was great. I mean we had a lot of fun. We did things together. This and that. So i've always had a problem with my skin. The aging process is not for sissies. Okay and i've always had this issue. I was young. I was out in the sun my whole life. I was a competitive water skier. Obviously track and field and did all these things never. Yeah nobody war sunscreen. You're now you pay for it. I've had these all sorts of issues particularly basil carcinomas. That just don't go away. You gotta get him surgically removed. And i had one on my cheek that we had to remove easy to remove. You can just close it up. I had one on my forehead next year when you stand up pretty frequently like if to get checked out checked out all the time yeah and then i had one on my nose right there. Okay and i'm looking at it and getting redder and you can see and it won't go away you can put it ain't going away so i got my dermatologist. Anyway i have cut out a ten millimeter whole right on the end of my nose right here. Okay they the only way to get rid is cut it out it. Cut it out. And then i had to drive across town to a plastic surgeon and he took this made this big s cut on my nose all the way across like this took all the skin off my nose. We were for keeping up the poor cameraman. Caesar was going i was. I couldn't look at you. I could only look at the lens. Is that it wasn't real. You know take all and then re put all the skin back over to close up the whole because you don't have skinned bringing their so they have to kinda redo all the skin anyway. The guy to amazing job cut to us. Five years ago. I started seeing a red spot in the same spot on. Get home man. They did get it all this. And that so i go to. I got a new dermatologist. I go there and of course as new technology. And they have this like chemo. Cream meant it attacks. The bad cells got to put it on for like five days six days morning and night. I know diligently put it on at the end of five days six days you know. It was red but it wasn't on the sixth day. I looked like rudolph the red-nosed reindeer my whole at this mazza. A red nose at the end. Of course i'm trying to avoid the paparazzi. I don't need to have to explain this to everybody. And of course. I come around malibu. Come around the corner and there's a guy with a camera bang gets a shot. I got this big thing. Now it's caitlyn is got a bad reaction to plastic surgery and you know all the all the tabloid stuff they all come up with all this stuff. So so. And i said to her i says you know what let's no makeup on no nothing on the end of the bed with my big red nose. Take a picture on instagram. And just say of sun damage. Where your sunscreen and boy. I got a big response to people. Were sending me product and this and that so sophia said she goes chartered. We start a sunscreen company. I looked better. And i love motivating young people and i said you know what you're right though do it. That was kind of hurry. Reaction fucking executed. Though we have boy did she. And i said i knew all about her background and this and that and i said go do it and she gives me this. Look in her head like okay. I'm gonna go do this first thing. she did. She started ordering these magazines in industry. Magazines on sunscreen said this and that it started reading anyway eventually went out. She went to venture capital to raise. The money raised a ton of money just on her no products just ideas and basically started luma soul had to get product made. Fda at a at all has sunscreens. I'll have to be fda approved so you gotta go through approval. Process is what is going to make our products in her product. Different than what else is out there. What are the issues. And so she just started developing or i would consider more of a high tech. Look at sunscreen and because it's a huge problem in cancers are huge people die. i'm and you get melanomas. This and that from the sun you can die you know. She started this company and finally after three years hiring people getting this product done. We got product at the house. We were supposed to open up april. I know great two weeks before the world shut down. okay so is jeb is stated to say elise. We was going through your mind. Cause i'm using a lot of shit. I i never thought it would. Last this long it becomes such a political issue is just. It's it's joe. I mean it's just yeah. People are dying in your in that category of people that can really really really get sick from this suffer potentially die. You better take personal responsibility to carry yourself but for the general public. No it's interesting fucked up true. Yeah we in this business right now in. This office are considered essential with what we're they aren't out there. Yes but that's an you know and listen in my world because rooms business. I would think like. Oh that's great keeping essential. But i still have the office. Shutdown feel so bad for the small businesses that are classified as non essential. Because you and i sitting few feet apart right now are considered essential to open. Listen it's gonna get political but certain restaurants outdoor dining. These people are losing their livelihood. It's it's not fair. Losing their lives admit people new thought do i. How does this business podcasting fall into being essential right. So what did you say to sofia. when. You're about to launch april i well. We'll get through this and she really has. She's not an amazing job. She was the official sunscreen. If the cello she was making boots for coachella. She had the whole thing going. It's going to be opening and nothing vegan cruelty. Free eighty minutes water resistant. But my favorite thing about this sunscreen is it's pre and post makeup application. There's so many sunscreens that you have to put on before your makeup and that's the problem i have because sometimes i want to apply at later. I wanna spray it on top of my foundation so to me. That's amazing it's what it is. Skin tones yeah what it is. Is i use this cream. In the morning came under my makeup got a gray texture to it. it's great kind somewhat ordorless. It's got a little smell. Smells clean. If i know going to be on the golf course or all that sort of stuff and it applies nicely under your skin. It's a great moisturizer and then that one's spf thirty. And i put that under there just for the protection but since doesn't last forever so when i'm out on the golf course when i get there i'll just give i got the other thing the mist and i'll just pump that on. Usually i wear a hat. So i kind of put it lick mortgages like right here. That will ask me sometimes. I'll put it on after the front nine but it just kinda depends but that pretty much gives me. It's ps fifty the missed thirty. So you put that one on first when you apply. Foundation is like a primer. It sounds like yeah and then you do the missed afterwards. So where are you guys out right now with the company i love how you probably get two hundred calls a day because of your pins. I do katzav over the feel free to pick up. Hold on it's kind of amazing. Now here we got hold on. My dad has that same ringer really. It's loud you can't miss it anywhere. Sophia how did it go where steer you were talking about. Luma soul as we speak as we speak were obsessed. It's so cute. Congratulations if you heard your coming on the show at some point i excited. I think i'm coming on next next month. I love it love it. We were having such a good time and this. This missed. sunscreen is so major that you can apply after your make up's on killings giving us all the backbone on you before you come on. We know all the right questions ask and the next time you that all you got day right you got some. Yep okay. I'm glad you love it. I'm glad it's going well back when you're done we're not too much we're just doing the little luma saw pitch here. Okay yeah thank guy. He can't wake you okay. Bye by the great ones. Love that i love that she has called using. I know right in the middle of it so you so you can use the midst after the makeup. You can use the cream before the makeup. And where are you guys that right now with the brand. Are you going to be expanding boil. Sophia's got a lot of things on the market. That are coming up. We'll be luma saul will be one hundred percents sunscreen company okay. We're not going to branch out where to stay in this marketplace because we believe one in the products and one that people need protection from the sun. I'm the perfect example of what happens especially for not just sun but for it's kind of like aging i mean you know. Protect yourself masan. You're not gonna wrinkle as bad so all of those types of things. So we're pretty much committed with loom soul to a variety of products. And they're all in at a lot of ideas but there in the making and the product wild just because they have to go through the fda. Is this the next kylie cosmetics for sunscreen. Yes love it. I am yes i would love that we had dinner last night. With kylie and We talked a lot kylian. Sophea get along very well and we talked. Kylie is just the exception to the rule. I mean she's just she is all the stars came together. Know she does it right. Nose on your face yeah. She knows her marketing very well. And she's got actually some exciting changes that are going to happen in the future which she is extraordinarily excited about to expand this company. You know a cody came in and bought fifty one percent controlling interest. Which was the right thing to do. Kylie and chris took that company as far as they could a cody massive international company. And that's where they're going international with the company also in the manufacturing processes all the type of stuff is going to have a really big impact on that and good for them a. Yeah kylie's scott. Just a great. I when she came out with the first one the little the lip kits. Yeah she knew what the market needed. She came out was unique. It was different and boarded itself. Is your favorite kid. You had to pick it. I had six biological four step a lot of kids. Yes it's a lot of children. Eighteen grandchildren holy shit. We asked what i said. It's growing right now. nobody's pregnant. Maybe someone is pregnant usual. Maybe you don't know the kids. It's kind of just which runs on my good side. It depends on the day depends on the date. Today's keeps calling his. That's the second phone call. That's pretty good. That's better than most for all my kids. I just very blessed on my kids are great and they've all grown up to have their own lives. Which is incredible. That's all you can ask what you do as a parent now. Sometimes it gets a little tough when you're sitting at the house friday night may there's sofia's gone or whatever you're sitting there going to wait a second. I got ten kids. I've got eighteen grandchildren. I'm sitting here by myself. this was. Nobody's called you're looking at your phone and sudden somebody be calling me. You know what they all have their own lives. Yes so you kind of run it. Every parent deals with that. Nothing new last question. Go serious on you before you go. Because i think it's important to ask as a parent as somebody who successfully transitioned if there's young people thinking of transitioning and families trying to have that conversation. How do you suggest they start or the conversations you wish you could have had when you were younger. Like what is the best way because i think i think you can help a lot of people by answering done. Yeah no. I don't have any regrets. I was frank sinatra was. Hey i did it my way and everybody does it their way. And that's what. I would suggest if you are suffering with these issues first of all get some help outside of the family structure therapy whatever. It may be somebody to talk to to help you guide through this. It is not easy for parents and all that stuff to go through. It's better today. Certainly that it was twenty thirty years ago. I mean i remember one reporter asked me well. We know when it comes to this What can look him up to you and said she was going to transition into a guy and my little kendall my gorgeous little girl and i go kind of kind of personalized for me on my side so you can get from that standpoint. My theory was always never just never try to hurt anybody but the bottom line is you got to do. What's right for you and to do it in a way that. You're trying not to burn any bridges all you say. There still may be some bridges that are going to be burnt because of something like this but just try to be lovingood person. Love your parents for parents or kids. Who are dealing with this issue. Especially young kids provide loving home for them. The most important thing they need to know if they're gonna go out into the world get criticized and be in school and get bullied enough's enough. They have to know when they come home. It's a safe place. it's a loving place. Kids need that and yeah it's do. What is it's on the other end. If you do like in my case honestly. I just wake up in the morning and just be myself all day. And that's a wonderful thing to be society today can accept it. It's not easy a lot of people won't they're accepting of it. We have a lot of millennials and listening. Can you leave our audience with a book. Podcast a resource. That's brought you a lot of value. Anything that you think would is like if someone to execute or be a hustler. Is there anything that you've read Should be listening. Listen to this podcast. Thank you. I'll take that. Yes listen to this podcast sunscreen. Where your sunscreen. Listen to this podcast. Every day Every day Yeah no Just be yourself. That's very nice. Be motivated i remember. Okay try not to get into this too heavy. What's the secret to life. Everybody always ask that question. Basically that's what is what's the secret to life cure ever remember the movie city slickers with billy crystal member. He's on he's a new yorker wants to get out of new york trying to find himself goes on this cattle drive out in colorado sitting around the campfire. Just him and curly. The wiesel cowboy played by jack balance. So billy crystal says what's the secret to life to this wise old cowboy and the cowboy looks over and says one thing and then kind of moves on with the conversation later. Two minutes later billy crystal back at them. Because what did you. What's the one thing and he goes. That's for you to find out at that is to me. The most important thing in life is what is that one thing that when you wake up in the morning you just cannot wait for the day to start. Two thousand people wander through life than ever find their one thing. I was fortunate a very young age of found sports. And that was my one thing. That was so important and because of that. I went out and i competed in. I grew as a human being. And i built a life through that and but everybody has that everybody has something and it doesn't have to be sports. This can be anything. You'd be learning how to play the piano. I mean who knows you might be just this. Great pianists may be a great business. Person may be be a dyslexic kid. But you know what in your head. You've got great stories that wanna come out. Maybe it goes out this way comes out onto a piece of paper instead of reading it. You just don't know so your job as a person is to find that one thing in life because when you do it and you know it's the right thing because when you wake up in the morning you're excited about the day you can't wait for the day to start because i got so many things to do businesswise. Whatever it is. That's for you to find out who. I can see why you had such a successful speaking career. Because i'm all fired up now. We'll find your one thing where you guys found this. I mean this is you know. It's motivating you know. They say a compelling person has strength and warmth you have both thank you for coming on my pleasure incredibly compelling you can come back anytime anytime i have eight hundred thousand more questions the first hundred until then go back and read the book and start underlining and you know put yellow stuff on i talk to kaitlin about this one. I read that book again. Tell us where they can find your book. The sunscreen follows i about. Yeah my luma soul if you really. If you're interested with the sunscreen it's you know my limasol dot com. Were all over social media. Were all over background. We're on tiktok. They had the. I did a dance on tiktok yesterday. I'm gonna go watch that. yes that's on. The loomis oil painting tiktok yes. Yeah we do everything to get images and stuff out there. My limassol dot com. You can find it. they're great. We got more products coming out in the future. Great sunscreen yeah. I got my youtube channel. That's out there. I'm having a lot of fun with that. All kinds of crazy stuff that i do on there but yeah i'm just kind of out there. Yeah the book is at amazon on the secrets of my life by caitlin jenner. Great read as you know so. Yeah and caitlyn jenner on instagram sophia strumming on. Let us know any questions that you have for her on my instagram. Thank you for taking the time. It was my pleasure. Come in front come to no kids yet against one. Oh you've got one zaza. Ten months ten months my god girl. You're looking good. Oh thanks. I still got a long way to go or is it a struggle coming back. Oh mike that's a whole 'nother show kristen. Oh an iro. Same thing yeah. I know it's for any guy witnessing that you have whole appreciation for women after that part in this motherfucker goes what's raleigh deal for figuring out you know i. I hadn't gone through before. I didn't know i didn't know the changes that we're making him. Pay thank you for coming on at my luma saul or go badly. He's my sunscreen. Go back and make another little kid. I need to get ten. We are giving away a bottle of caitlin and sophie as new company called lucile so this is a vegan cruelty free water resistant pre and post makeup application sunscreen. Okay it's good for all skin tones. Are you have to do is tell us your favourite part of this episode on my latest instagram at the skinny confidential and follow my limassol. That's m. y. l. u. m. a. s. l. They have some great content about sunscreen on there and obviously make sure you've rated and reviewed the show on itunes. It takes two seconds. See you guys next time. This episode is brought to you by a ritual. You guys know. i'm a human guinea pig. And i'm still here taking ritual and loving it. K- it's filled with iron vitamin e magnesium full eight and omega three. Kind of everything. It's made in the usa out. Synthetic fillers ninety five percent of women. Do not get the vitamins and minerals. They need on a daily basis. 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217: SJP Bridal, Saudi Arabia Fashion Week, Changes at Marc Jacobs

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217: SJP Bridal, Saudi Arabia Fashion Week, Changes at Marc Jacobs

"Hi, guys. This is Lisa and this is Kara not. It's not. Hello, welcome. You just hands. It appears that I have brought a couple of aunts from my apartment to marketing studio, and that means that something's wrong in my house. Are you sure they came for your house? I am one hundred percent sure. Because I've seen these ants frequently I have brought an increasing number of house plants into my life. And sometimes I put them outside for you know, to blow the stink off them and Florida problems. And then I think sometimes I bring some critters them had problems. You guys I turn on my AC on Sunday like for the season. Probably. Yeah, I'm still freezing. So I'm gonna try not to resent you. Adding my ass off. I it was a humid day, and I was determined to do YouTube ballet in my living room. I don't understand any of those words YouTube ballet, there's a youtuber I like called lazy dancer tips. And she does these ballet routines that are dislike flexibility core work programs. And I was doing it in my house because I didn't make it to the gym. And I was in. Sweating. And then I called my dad FaceTime to my dad, and he was like you're looking all sweaty. And I was like really hot here. And he's like, you should maybe turn the and I was like, but I like to keep it at a steady eighty two in here. Dad, love it. It's a hot house, which is why you get aunts. That's why I got ants because it's nice and warm and humid in there. So turn on the little bit try to cool it down. I mean, I keep my thermostat at seventy eight. So it's not like a break in the AC Bill. I'm warm weather critter. Anyway, how's your heating and electrical system doing freezing? Lisa. That's how it's good. The heat works AC works everything works. Everything's off. Right now are your light bulbs are in order for now. Remember when we used to do this at your house, and we would have to turn off the heat. Yes. And we would be freezing still do that girl. Yes. I know because it's still my lighter. Okay. We should do this faster. We turn. Off. So we won't have any like background noise and our lives, and you guys we have had issues with buzzing the past couple of weeks we are trying to figure out what's going on. When you're doing podcasting, especially to locations, there's about seventy five variables. So we are really working on trying to figure out how to stop the buzz. Just hanging with us. I'm like a low budget macgyver over here. Least I spent hours working on this problem. So if it's annoying you trust us. It's annoying us to were trying to figure it out the security people in my building are starting to worry about me and the with which they see me she's trying to find that buzz. I'm trying to find it and trying to stomp it out, man. Trouble shooting. But look he got to do. Thanks for hanging with us. I hope all of your heating and cooling systems are working excellently as well. Agreed with that. Let's start fashion news. Yeah. I have some retail news that is of interest to start with WalMart is close to finalizing a deal to buy a majority stake in flip cart. If you haven't heard a flip carts, probably because you don't live in. India flip car is the leading ecommerce company there, and it said to be at least twelve billion deal. That's about to go down with WalMart. Walmart is going to pay at least twelve billion dollars to get access to India's consumer base. So Amazon is ecommerce king in the US Alibaba has China like lockdown so India with a huge population of proximity. One point three billion people is the next major. Target flipchart did have competing proposals. But in according to insiders, WalMart is currently the front runner Amazon flip carts primary rival right now. But WalMart doesn't currently have an e commerce presence in India. Which would give fewer regulatory hurdles to jump through. If it were to enter this e space through flip cart. This is reporting from business of fashion. They said that flip cart was valued at twelve billion last year and WalMart's likely to end up buying sixty to eighty percent of the company which would be valued at about twenty billion. They're saying currently WalMart owns and operates twenty one best price modern wholesale stores in India, which is a membership wholesale store. It's basically like Sam's Club. And a sidebar to this is that Amazon while it doesn't seem to be a contender to buy flip cart, Amazon recently launched internet and putting that in finger quotes because that's what they're calling it. It is a data light mobile web browser for Android phones that promises data privacy. So India has the second largest internet user base in the world, primarily through cheap smartphones and plentiful data, but in some smaller cities more rural areas connections are still pretty slow and using the web can be frustrating and take forever. So Amazon has set up this web browser that's opposed to use less storage and less bandwith to make easier for people to access the internet. And we can only assume that Amazon would also want you to get online easier. So that you can maybe go to its website and by thanks. So India is the place to watch if you are interested in what's happening in ecommerce next. This is a story about woo. It's about Whoo. Doing customers. It's about wooing a business. It's about retail dating. It is as the Montagues and the Capulets, except it's WalMart and Amazon. It's about Lou. Hopefully, nobody dies in the end. Of sunshine on this show. We all die in the end. The surprise twist. No, India is a huge freaking market. I'm not surprised that WalMart is a contender that they want to be in this thing because there's a lot of money to be made here. I'm also interested in the logistics of how Walmer is going to get this done. But sounds like flip cart is already doing the damn thing and them buying them out helps that they don't have to start from nothing and a new country, which is smart on their end. But oh, my gosh, this Amazon WalMart thing is like ratchet up every single week. Like what's next who what are they buying? What are they doing? What country they in mistakes keep getting higher? They keep getting more international don't sleep on India, y'all. There's a lot of money there who it also makes me a little nervous further economy to and ES still has a lot of. Small business owners, and I worry about how they might get wiped out you you've been to India, but you didn't seem to instantly recognize when I was talking about flip car. I don't know if you've had any experience with flip car during your travels now, experienced many, many people India have phones, and it's just about that connection. Especially in rural areas. Exactly what you were saying. Yeah. So you didn't drop by any best price modern wholesale stores. Do you really think that I want to be at a Sam's Club in the middle of India? I don't think you want to be an Sam's Club in the United States. You know, who I am? You know, Lisa nothing makes me hyperventilate like a like a warehouse club store, although I do I appreciate the vats of manny's and mustard and she pot dogs. I don't think they have the cheap hotdogs in India, though, I think they're probably not something that carried over. But they probably also have Coca Cola products. I think that's a smart gas. That's my guess if you've been a best price wholesale best price. What does it? Call best price modern wholesale. If you've been there, please tell me what cheap food items, I can get near the cash registers in general or an India. No, India, I don't I think best price modern wholesale is only India, I'll just the name of the company best price. Modern wholesale is the name of the store that is a subsidiary of WalMart operating in India. They may have just while called it big ass door with big ass products. I thinking about this do they just refer to it as best price. Because that wouldn't we have best buy like that wouldn't seem strange to me. But like Deary, I'm going to best price mutter wholesale. Like sounds like a mouthful let short in that BPM w India listeners. I know you're out there. Please write in and tell us about your experiences with just about anything, actually. Okay. Next story. Let's talk about some more fashion musical chairs. John target left. Marc Jacobs after get this two months. Two months of working at the company. Target is a designer and the co founder of the label Baja east he joined Marc Jacobs to run the company's lower priced offerings. So Marc Jacobs used to have Marc by Marc Jacobs. And that was their lower priced designer goods. It did really. Well, so well. That it was bringing in about eighty percent of the company's revenue, but Marc Jacobs decided to get rid of that line and said they were going to consolidate some things come out with new product and target was going to be the head of that LVMH which owns Marc Jacobs said in a statement, quote, John Tarr, gone is a talented designer, and we appreciate the work. He has done here. Ultimately, working together did not make sense for the brand. And we wish him the best Rocard who good Basser, wait. So what was he doing prior to this role for two months? So he's the co founder of Baja east which is its own brand. And so he's going to go back to work on that company was a designer us working for that. Marc Jacobs has been through a lot the past couple months as Lisa reported a couple of weeks ago, he got engaged at japodlay. But the company as a whole has been going through some changes, many of the original designers were fired. Before target arrived. So he could bring in his own people. But now that he's gone they're gone to which means Marc Jacobs and his chief executive officer are starting from scratch. So what does it mean for the company? I think it remains to be seen. I'm a little confused by this news because I understand that he worked there for about two months and his purpose was to work on the lower the lower end of the price spectrum for Marc Jacobs. But they decided to consolidate those lines at least a year ago. So he was working on the next iteration of whatever that was it wasn't going to be marked by Marc Jacobs. They may have had some plant that they haven't announced to the public that we were unaware of conspiracy theory. Do you think he was brought in for the sole purpose of helping plan the flash mob at chapel lay? So Mark Jacobs could propose. I think he's too talented of designer just to do that. Although it is a curious theory that I would like to propose as well. I'm just about having theories that I can't back up. We'll consult the ouija board on that one. The man didn't even figure out how to use a coffee machine. What can you do it two months? Wait, do you know that for sure or no, I'm taking a guess about the first two months you have at a job anywhere. What are you learning? You're learning the person's name across from you. Her name is Brenda probably that coffee pot comment reminded me of an old school Gawker blind item where it would be like this liberty with a reputation of liking younger women was seen at the such and such. But it also seems very realistically. A new designer at very reliable fashion house can't figure out how to use the coffeemaker. No that I totally made up. Let's not start any rumors. I'm just guessing about what you can learn two months about your office. You're still get your see licks like you just figured out how your health insurance works. If that if you got it immediately, sometimes I'll wait ninety days. Yeah. He didn't make it ninety days. I'm not I'm not here to start rumors. I'm just here to perpetuate them. Fair enough. I don't know what happened. Just gotta be honest. All right. We'll keep our into the ground on that one anybody here isn't a good rumors. Let me now let's move on. There was a big fashion. News for Saudi Arabia, the country had its first fashion week Arab fashion week Riyadh was organized by the fashion council. It wasn't a smooth journey, but we got there so Arab fashion week Riyadh was going to start on March twenty fifth, but it was postponed after a ton of people including reporters buyers and models couldn't get their visas and time three weeks later. It was back on until forty five minutes before the first show on the first night. It got delayed again, the reason organizers gave was at the show tent was unfinished and unsafe. And there was some bad weather in the mix in this. So it's it's plausible. So that development led the Saudi government's general entertainment authority to take over production of the entire of that including the tent set up. They were like okay move over. We got this. Ticket sales were low some brands pulled out. But if I only happened this was a beautiful series of events male designers weren't allowed backstage before their shows. There was a ban on social media. It was an off female audience, and they were permitted to take off their abayas. But few did according to the New York Times, there wasn't much of a focus on modest fashion on the runway, it seemed from the photos, I saw to be primarily sort of a western silhouette happening. The designers included jumbo all TA Roberto Cavalli, those were two guest designers that were basically special events and then a variety of designers from around the Middle East one designer based in Riyadh who's pretty notable was. Ooh. God bless me for not screwing this name up. Let me do it mush L all Raji who designed St. wear and showed a collaboration with Nike on its first runway job. Just pretty cool. Oh, cool. Yeah. So part of the reason this event even happened is because there's a changing cultural scene in Saudi Arabia. The crown prince has led efforts to ease social restrictions, including lifting bans on movie theaters in the country and letting women drive so it's a time of pretty intense social change over there. So it sounds like this may be something that was not an easy feat for the first time around. But maybe something that can be really successful in coming years. It's great to hear the sounds like a valiant first effort even though things went wrong in the beginning. That's okay. Sometimes it takes awhile to figure things out that are logistic heavy, especially in a place. That's not used to throwing events like this. If you are. Working on the special event side of this bit a little frustrated. But that's okay. Like, they pulled it off and the ad which let's see some more of it. It's good start. There are photos from the runway shows because female photographers were allowed to be present. And they were at the end of the runway taking shots. So if you look up pictures from Arab fashion, wink Riyadh, there are some amazing photos of some amazing looks coming down the runway. So if you are looking for a runway fix now, all these other fashion weeks over just hit up this one check it out next door. Let's talk about fashion. Crime Fasching is about the subject is it is we're gonna talk about shoplifters and an alleged extortion scheme. Oh my God. I'm so here. I'm ready. Get the popcorn get the wine. This story is complicated. So you gotta hang in with me book. Hold on your butts theft from retailers last year accounted for almost forty nine billion dollars. And lost revenue. Shoplifting is a problem. That's not new news. But that number is really high. So companies have started outsourcing trying to solve the shoplifting problem. There is a company called corrective education company retail stores can hire this company to help reduce shoplifting. The idea is that corrective education company or C C for short acts as an aide to internal security personnel. They also help reduce calls to local police over shoplifting. Which is a big deal because police need to do other things instead of like worrying about somebody who stole a five dollar Brett somewhere petty theft shoplifters that get caught if that company uses C C are given a choice when they are held by security. They can wait for the bullies and possibly face charges and arrest or they can sign. A paper that is an admission of guilt. Pay a fee of between four or five hundred dollars and agree to take a six to eight hour class online that is aimed to deter. Left. Just let the police come. It's called their restorative Justice program. Oh, what what is this also corrective education, whatever sounds like detention. Yeah. It's detention that costs money. Yeah. Oh, Lordy, loo okay, go on for those people who choose to work with C C rather than deal with the police it is alleged that a portion of that fee is kicked back to the retailer the ec- gives you an option of working with them or dealing with the cops based on shoplifters qualification for the program allegedly. The CAC does a background check to see if you have a criminal record. If you have a criminal record. Of course, the likelihood of you working with them. Instead of the cops goes up a bunch of shoplifters got together and said this kind of sounds like extortion. Shoplifters fighting back, WalMart, Bloomingdale's and Abercrombie and Fitch are facing a class action lawsuit. It has to be noted too that these companies have come out in a statement to say that they don't work with see anymore. So the plaintiffs in this case are looking for an unspecified amount of damages. We don't know how much can four and they want the court to rule that the program is in violation of the racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act. You might get hit with the Rico. This means they wanna hold the retail companies accountable for using this company. The CAC says the company no longer offers those kickback payments to retailers and they don't call and kickbacks to call them reimbursements. What am us? What a mess. The sounds so dangerous and so many ways sounds shitty. Sounds like a shitty option. I think it's okay. Okay. If stores are exploring different ways to deal with shoplifters because it is a drain on them during a time when margins are getting thinner, but saying either deal with the cops or deal with this outside company. And by the way, you have to pay them. It's a little shady. Yeah. It's real shady, and like I'm from a city where we had a jail cell in the football stadium. So like, I'm used to some shady shit. Okay. Philly girl, this is real bad. This is this just sounds not right, especially where like I feel like I have no date on this. I have no date on this. But anecdotally, I would sir. My is that a lot of shoplifters are not exactly high income people. So they're shoplifting for whatever reason. Right. And you're like you can get out of this. If you pay five hundred where where are you going to get five hundred dollars and you have to take their online class person X two eight hours. It's weird. I barely took driver's Ed for six to eight hours. And they let me on. They should actually do not record. It's clean. Now. It's clean. Now. What did you do? Did you pay somebody four to five hundred dollars to clear your record and took another class? No fell off my record because it was so long that I didn't have a car and insurance that now my records clean. Oh, that's the vote of confidence for my sense of. Adulthood right there. Yeah. This is shady is shit man Rico. I don't know too much about that do you know other things about it. Do you know to too much about it? She was about to say, I know too much about a lot of things. Racketeering is tricky by the time. You're starting to wonder if you're seeing it you you're probably seeing it it kind of hits you over that. I feel like racketeering doesn't get talked about enough. 'cause we talk about antitrust in collusion's. Sometimes when we talk about these big mergers with internet companies, and in Facebook, and I feel like racketeering is like the sleeper, can you define racketeering, which is different than being a Rocketeer, which I found out can you define racketeering, while I'm looking up the proper definition. Can you tell us the fucker rockets here is it's based on an old movie the row? Yeah. I hate that movie movie scares me that movies. Terrified me never make me watch that movie racketeering is when you offer a service that is dishonest to solve a problem that wouldn't otherwise exist without you, offering the service this fits that definition. When you make a business to fix a problem. But you created the problem? So it's it's a racket. It's it's a lot of the time it's attached to organized crime like the mob. He just make it hit with the Rigo. As Drake would say Susana Drake song. I'll tell you all about racketeering, Drake. Canadian treasure an expert in organized crime. I guess well, I look forward to the outcome of that class action lawsuit since WalMart and Bloomingdales whoever else Advocaat, don't oh Abercrombie since these companies are saying they don't work with this company anymore. I wonder if the class action will have to get dismissed or if it will be valid for the time period that the alleged extortion took place during I'm not sure how that's going to happen. You're asking the right questions because the C E C, and this shady stuff that's been going on. On is actually old news. They've been reported on before the terms of this case about what stores new, and when they fired them is really the new news in this. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. Is you love the fact that it's a bunch of shoplifters who are banning together and saying let's fight back, which no one's that simple mistake should drain their Bank account or be a strike against them for the rest of their life. You know, what I mean like I don't agree with shoplifting. But I think the bigger problem here is a company that's making big bucks off of remediate this problem. Yes. Yeah. Who restorative Justice? L let's move on. Let's talk about something. I hate bring. It hate is a strong word, but I'm going to bring it out for today. We've reached peak merchandise y'all if you've ever wondered what isn't pop fashioned sell shirts. This news item is probably the reason why the cut is expanding into branded merchandise. The cut is a very popular section of New York magazine, it's focused towards women. Culture, cool stuff. I read it all the damn time. They do a ton of fashion news. And I love it. Yes. They are great editor and chief Stella bug be told women's wear daily. We sat around in my office and decided what made us laugh, and what would make a funny t shirt. Really? It was the cut staff saying, yeah, I'd wear that. So they're doing an initial run of thirty two shirts, which are modelled on the quote cards that the cut posts on Instagram, which includes phrases in the magazine signature fund, including phrases, like my other shirt Kaftan or I bit beyond say or what do Jared Nevada do all day. These are twenty five dollars. A pop new ones are going to be added weekly. So quote, it capitalizes on whatever people are talking about are joking about in a given week and makes a little ephemeral record of that, unquote. I hate this. Tell me why you hate it. I think it's merch for the sake of merch. I think when you're updating weekly capitalizes on that aspect of fleeting internet moments. And I do not think it is worth making a shirt for something that was popular this week. And may not have staying power devil's advocate. What if they hit on something that goes like gangbusters, for instance, they did one with Cardi B's saying let me fat and peace? Wait is this way. You emailed me today that I didn't open where I went on this rant. I'm sorry. I didn't read your Email in a timely fashion. All I said was you said it was going to happen. It happened. They put it on a shirt because I'm a suit Sayer. And so what if they hit on something that goes like gangbusters ad they sell tens of thousands of unit of something is it a smart business decision. First of all, I hope if that happens. It's the let me fat and shirt. Is it a smart business for them in a time where web entities and print publications are still trying to figure out their best form of earning revenue? Yeah, I think it's a smart business decision. But I think it's a bad decision for the planet. Yeah. What are we gonna do walk into goodwill a year from now and find a bunch of beyond say t shirts? Yes, biard. Yeah. We are linked to me that I. I it sounds like they're making them because the staff thinks it's fun, which is fine. But I don't think the world needs this. If it wasn't t shirts, would you be onboard? Well, funny, you mentioned because they aren't ruling out expanding into other categories, like Topaz, monks, and even bumper stickers. Let me tell you guys, none of us need, more tote bags. You have plenty I have plenty. And I I know they're really hard to resist because they're really cute, but we all have plenty of TOA bags. And I mean, it's a tough spot because these these kinds of phrases and cultural moments other people are out there capitalizing on them and making shirts have Cardi B quotes, and mugs that say you have as many hours in the day is beyond say, but I don't know if the cut needs to be a part of that. I don't know either. I don't know how I feel about it. I don't especially hold it against them that they are trying out different business model. I don't like the idea that a lot of it's going to end up in landfills. Like, there's a reason why we don't have any fashion T shirts. People ask us about all the time. Like, I'm really against it because I don't want to add to that cycle. But I also know that like you gotta make money that the news business news to figure out different ways to bring in cash. It's just not a need. I'm torn on it. Yeah. Car is over there. Scrambling to cancel her order of the Cardi B. Let me fat and shirt that she ordered for me. No. Although that would be a really great idea. That would have been really funny if you were like, oh, and I ordered it for you surprise. No it cost twenty five dollars. I can put that together myself with some fell letters from the AC more like I used to high school. Let's talk about a collaboration that we both liked before got on the air though. This is a different story. But it's so funny. Anti ends pretzel company that you find in the mall came out with a fashion line. And I was prepared not to like it. But it's pretty darn cute. Leeson? I looked at it before to recording. And she liked it too. Like, we were surprised that the artwork was as pew Ling as it is. They have this pair of tennis shoes that is absolutely adorable. I can't eat gluten anymore. So I don't think I can purchase this because at the pretzel. But what did you think of it? Wait, you can't you can't get the shoes because of your gluten intolerance. I don't know if it's an intolerance. First of all, I don't wanna wear pretzels because it'll just taunts me. Okay. That's fair. I'm sorry. I told you in great detail about myself, pretzels III last night. I wanted to hear about it so bad. You're like was there. Salt on that tell me how taste it. So you liked that collection? Correct. Yes. And I think the reason I like it is because we've seen some of these other collaborations where I think we could consider them fast food chains all of them have come out with the merchandise. But these seem to be really mindfully made their in collaboration with artists that they very loudly shouted out in their press release, and I don't even like anti ns, pretzels, which I know is like sacrilege, I'm a big pretzel fan, but I'm from Philly in that is not a Philly pretzel auntie ns, it's a different thing. But I love pretzels in general and national pretzel day is coming up. Why do I know this don't ask and the designs are really cute, and they're not super over the top and nowhere on any of it. Is it obvious that it's anti Ann's? There's the familiar color scheme that, you know, a lot of the stuff the shape of the cartoon pretzels are very. Very familiar, but there's a shower curtain, and it's I think it's called like crazy day, and it's all this random shit happening with soft pretzels, it's really cute. And if I was in the market for a new shower curtain, I might get it just because it's fun and cheerful. And it doesn't say NTN's really big on it. You know, I think this is a win. So the difference between what the cut is doing and what auntie Ann's is doing has to do with artistry ultimately acid with artistry. It has to do with longevity to. I think the pretzel collaboration is something that is not just a flash in the pan. I think it stuff that could be cute for multiple seasons. Or if it was a piece of home where like they have throw pillows and blankets, and I think if you have that in your home, if you got it in length at you would still like it years from now, it's not based on a flurry of internet activity. Which could be fleeting. Yep. Got it. Because the cuts putting me on a shirt and times new Roman. How about you? We're going to transition to talking about Romain lettuce for a minute. So much remained last week. I'm surprised I'm still here. Among you up my salad game the week. That led us goes bad. That just shows you need to be eating more pretzels Lisa to last night while I was on the phone with you at was jelly. I know they're so good. Yeah. I don't know these these kinds merch. Merch I have complicated feelings about merch because as much as I'm like, we don't need more of this. I am also very much drawn to the attractive versions of it. While said so file interpersonal problems. What else you got? We're gonna talk about which in-store tech offerings do shoppers really care about. Ooh, what does the data? Tell us a company called H R C, retail advisory. Did a recent survey with consumers about what they want in stores. It was done with three thousand people or the asked him about the questions, and I want to share some of the findings with you ninety five percent of shoppers said they want to be left alone in stores. Yeah. That's me. Ninety five percent Lisa. It is very loud and clear. This cracked me up. Leave me. Own eighty five percent consumers want to be able to check prices at price. Scanners rather than having to talk with sales associate agree only seventeen percent of people who responded said that they wanted dressing room technology. Meaning they have all these really complicated machines now that you can point and like, touch if you need a different size or you can look at what it looks like in different colors or whatever only seventeen percent of people are interested in not everybody else's like. Yeah. No. And this is the thing. That's the prize me. Only nineteen percent said retailers special events were important in store offerings. Oh, so public shop sip and shop, etc. Etc. People coming in and doing demonstrations runway, whatever and a store people don't care so much about that. Now, a caveat to that is generation Z was a little bit more open to it. I can't remember the exact number, but it was like twenty three percents of. If people wanted it, but that's still pretty low considering how many stores put money and time into special events in order to drive customers. Yeah. Generation Z just isn't Jada. They're not busy enough to to not want in store events the dressing room. Factoid does not shock me. Because I feel like we still have beef with the basics of dressing rooms, like the lighting, the number of hooks the place to sit I feel like we haven't mastered the basics of dressing rooms enough to start adding technology. Amen. You would think that stuff that we want address are pretty straightforward because most of us don't want to be there and first place in addressing room taking off our clothes in order to try something on I'd so make that process seamless as possible and maybe been at the tech. This was interesting people typically don't want input from sales associates like, oh, you look so good in that. Oh, he's tried another color. They don't want that input. But they wa. To get an opinion from their friends and family. This means they want to take a picture put it on social media or take a picture and send it to somebody. That's why a lot of shoppers want free wifi and stores. So they can have an interactive experience. They just don't want that interactive experience to be with the sales associate customers want it to be an easy experience. And it sounds like a private one not five percent ninety five percent Akhoon believe it. And by couldn't. I mean, I did believe it are you in that ninety five percent. Oh, that's why I exclusively wear headphones in stores every time. I interest store. I have headphones on really obvious that I'm wearing it. Which is funny because even though I wanna be left alone. I talked to everybody in store when I walk in. That's because you wanna make friends and your nice to people, and I'm like, no don't want any of that. I'm really nice. And there are also some stores where I know that I need to be ready to talk to people. Because I don't know what the initiative is at my local CVS, but everybody in that damn store says hi to me, and I know some of them like, I know Ray, I know miss Loretta. I should maybe not go to CVS as much. I just realized that maybe I'm there. That they're like her. Okay. Lease. Anyway, this is particularly interesting because of some stuff that we saw way back in the day in January at the national retail federation show because one of the things that got drilled home was the idea that loyalty programs are something that can be improved with the use of technology in the store. So we were talking about facial recognition. We were talking about loyalty programs that recognize a customer that's in the store and can cater to them better. So if you walked into a store car in an I'm working behind the counter and your face pops up on the little ipad screen and says Kearns here. She likes any ends, pretzels. I know to be like, hey, KARN has your data. Do you get a pretzel? And and then I cut you. And then you probably stabbed me and run out and go join the shoplifting ring that is suing the corrective agency. Yeah. And it's it's everybody's really excited about it on the retail side. Right. But I think on the customer. Side the introductory period. For that kind of technology is going to have to be really slow, and I think the benefits to the customer are going to have to be really obvious because I don't want anybody to address me by name when I'm walking into a store. I just don't want that experience. But if there was a loyalty program where I really enjoyed the brand. And they knew the shade foundation that I wear so I don't have to remember it every single time. I buy it that IBM to that. I can do. Yeah. But the difference is that you would walk up to someone in the store and say, hey, I'm a loyal member. Can you look up my shade of foundation or you could go to a kiosk or something, but you are the one who's making the approach not the sales associate. Honestly, do sales associates wanna be having to approach people in this way. I was wondering about that. When I was reading the study because I know a lot of sales associates are pushed by the company and by man. To say talk to everybody talk to everybody multiple times and everybody just wants to be left alone. When I was working as a sales associate one thing that I loved to do was to help people with clothes. I've loved it. I loved funding outfit for somebody. But I also knew that if I pushed it and the customer didn't what that they would get really irritated. There's a fine line here. I think there may be creative ways to help people and away they feel comfortable. But right now what I'm seeing is that what retailers think that customers want and what customers actually want. There is a huge gap between those two things. Yeah. The other thing that we haven't brought up is that communication between sales associates and customers can often set a precedent for what the level of security is at the store, and by that I mean, you may be less likely to shoplift. If you know that everybody who works in that store is gonna make it for it to talk to you. You know, so back to the shoplifting ring. They weren't even shoplifting. Ring. I just want them to be they were just a group of shoplifters loosely connected by look, I'm just saying that anecdotally, I don't have any research off the top of my head. But when I worked as a sales associate, and when I had my shop, you talked to every person who came in the door because you wanted them to know, I'm paying attention, and I am here to help. But I'm also paying attention which is about loss prevention, of course, mic sense. So maybe you greet them. And then get out of the way if you want them to spend money in your shop. Here's what we do. I go in and I talked to the people, right? I talked to everybody in the store you come in with me, but you peel off your headphones on and just grabbing stuff. That's how we would do it. If look we're not in the same place. So we're not gonna shoplifted damn thing. I can't shop left because I have too much guilt. I've never been able to I've never stolen anything, and that's on purpose because I just can't live with the guilt near not even Catholic. I don't understand that. If you like we have it locked down in the guilt category. But here you are just walking in with your phones on like and can't because you're a good person. All right next door. We're gonna talk about Sarah. Jessica Parker because she has a new bridal line. She is collaborating with guilt on a ten piece collection. As part of the launch gilts will also offer fifteen exclusive styles of her footwear collection, and those pieces can go with the clothes that can go with the bridal collection or you can buy them on their own. It's not just bridal gowns. It is clothing for a bachelorette party or wedding breakfast. So she created a wedding breakfast. Oh, have you not been to one of those? Are you talking about the brunch? The day after. Yeah. That is not a time. When I'm at my best. Have you been to a few those? Yeah, I've been hung over for a few of those. I think everybody it's not a great time to see. Anyone especially when you're supposed to be on good behavior moving on. So I don't know what the designs are yet. I haven't seen them. They're not released yet. But there is a sleeveless bodysuit, a jumpsuit and max Kurtz that prices for the clothing between two hundred ninety five dollars and two thousand four hundred dollars. The sizes are zero to fourteen the shoes are between three fifty and four eighty five and a statement about the collection. Sarah. Jessica Parker said quote, the intent is that they should be usable outside of that special occasion. Whether you're the person walking down the aisle, or you're attending these are all pieces that should be relevant in your closet. Yeah. If you're skinny there's a lot on pack here because I think this is a missed opportunity come on only size fourteen. Give me a break huge missed opportunity. Big mistake. Huge. Also, this is what every bride tells. Oh, you could reuse the dress now. But you can't you can't reuse the dress never ever ever cut it up and throw it away right now. She also has a pop up location for her shoes in New York City, and it's at six west fifty second street about the location. She said, quote, it's a little bit off. We're not right on either avenue. We have the twenty one club across the street. But that's a particular person. We're having to be very creative with how we market we have no marketing dollars. Lisa. What is going on here? Everyone who's ever worked in PR is rolling over in their graves, even if they're living there like gimme a grave to roll in particular kind of customer. Wait. What is this one club? Is it a nightclub? It's a nightclub. It's a former Speakeasy that now has a restaurant and has events. Okay. Okay. Sarah. Jessica, I feel like the problem with these particular customers is that they don't show up until after your store closes. I think that's the only problem with them. But this is a person that right here in the statement. I feel like she's saying the store's not doing very well. Oh, she's one hundred percent staying saying that she's not happy with how this or is doing. And how does Sarah Jessica Parker and her store not have any marketing dollars? Do they get wasted somewhere else? She said the main way that they are marketing is through Instagram, which is not a bad plan. But it's also I would think you would have another type of budget somewhere. There's just so much going on here, it it'd be one thing if she was like, yeah, we're we're we're location. The foot traffic is not what we expected totally got. It totally understand. I don't know if I would understand that. Because why would you mitt that when you're trying to promote your collection? Like, I think it's real I kind of lake somebody saying especially somebody who is a star saying, hey, this may not be working out. It is kind of refreshing to hear that. But I don't know if this was the best move. I it's refreshing to hear her admit that it's not going to play on. But I think if she had spoken about it in a little more general terms, I think that the grave would not be so deep to use an analogy that I'm just clinging to I think it's fine to say it's not going quite as we plans. And I think location is a part of that problem. Do you think that coming out with the bridal wear collection is a good idea? It's terrible idea. I'm asking because J crew gap just shut their bridal lines so shit. Yup. Maybe this is a good place to play. I don't think the the price point is great. But it's also a lot better than like a designer forty thousand dollar down. It's not ten thousand dollars is closer to three thousand dollars. But maybe there's some room to play here. Yeah. These prices are a half step up from wedding way. They're in line with what J crew had and they're in line with what the policy has anthropology is killing on bridal, right? Yeah. There might be some room here and people who like, Sarah, Jessica, Parker style. Love her style. Right. Like, she's got a good core group of style fans. I think she has like you said room the play here. And I like that one of the. Pieces of JR. Is a jumpsuit because not everybody wants a Princess gal. When they get married. Like, that's an interesting alternative to the typical dress pants all day pants all night. Yeah. She talked a little bit more and said that the guilt collection will eventually go into her own stores, but it's going to be sold exclusively their first. And then we'll go to her stores or her pop ups. That's fine. I'm all about having a test market. Yeah. A collaboration with guilt. Sounds like a good idea to you. So I think there's some fun stuff here. But just that quote about her pop up through me. I was like why are you talking about this girl girl on my next trip to New York? I'm a stop by this one club because it sounds like it's fun. And I'll look across the street, and I'll be like, they're just Parker store. It's closed 'cause it's late. Should we move on to listener letters? Yes. Okay. I have some food for that. And I have a request for advice. Let's start with the ladder. This is a note from Alexandra who says. I've been trying to figure out where I'd be happiest in the fashion industry. I believe I found my happiest place, fashion and sports, my podcast playlist is literally fashion and sport Spock, hassle me. So I'm wondering what kind of jobs exist where I can marry. My two loves helped me I was thinking maybe sourcing for football teams apparel division at Google this and can't find any sources lash job titles slash speakers. I could potentially go see speak. She says she lives in Philly, and she's always looking for reasons to go to New York to see people speak on fashioned, topics. She says, okay, I'm rambling. I would really love your feedback. What do we have Alexandra? I just researched last night. And let's see if I can remember. I looked up fashion and sports jobs, and where they enter sect and came up with a few types of jobs was doing design fashion design the jobs that I was finding were more about athletes wear for companies that were sports related. So you can't go that direction. If you want to design athlete, you're wear for a brand if you wanted to design shoes for a sports label those jobs, you can totally go after another type of job was doing sales for sports companies. So an example is I found an Adidas job and Chicago that was the regional sales person for their I wear their fashioned. I wear which I thought was pretty cool. And then the final one the final category. I found was doing merchandising in sports stores with their apparel. So you go in and make sure that the brand presence was consistent amongst stores. And that's really what I was finding. Because I don't know too much about sports ball. My guess is that we have some listeners who can contribute to this subject and give more things that I wasn't even thinking about. But Lisa, did you have ideas? Yeah. I sort of with you on the sports adjacent design category. Because I think a key thing term member here is that a lot of brands that aren't distinctly sport. Brands are more focused on performance fabrics and innovation and I think there's a lot of overlap between that and actual sports like athletic inspired athletic motivated and actually athletics. This is something that comes through from like beta brand and close that you can wear to work and wear out later. It goes all the way to brands like under armor, which seem to be doing a lot with new technology in their athletic gear. So I would look at those brands that you're interested in that may not be sports brands, but may maybe working on. Similar items or using similar fabrics. As what you're interested in. What you're noticing. And I think you're gonna have to like if you've got job searches saved. They're probably gonna have to be in the fashion realm. I don't think football is going to be your best search term to get returns. I think sticking with like fashion, merchandising fashion like RND. Yeah. I think brands is probably the way to go and not being married to the idea of going directly to a sports brand is wise. But that being said, we definitely want to open this up to listeners because I know a lot of you work in various industries and Noah lot more than in about sports ballots. Face it. Yeah agree. Yeah. Man. I would love to work for a sports team doing uniform, design and selection. But you know, what a lot of those teams have uniforms in collaboration with big brands like Nike and Adidas etcetera etcetera. So it's not it's not somebody from the Philadelphia Eagles front office. Who's like what color? We're gonna make the jerseys this year, keep keep searching. We'll keep thinking. And I feel like our listeners are gonna write in. What's help? I'm counting on you listeners know pressure another letter that is a long one stick with me on this. But it's it's good stuff. Okay. This letter is from David who says I recently listened to your episode discussing the Amazon echo, look and the style. Algorithm used to guide fashion decision making whenever I hear of new technologies designed to influence consumer behaviour amiably start to contemplate the ways it could potentially be manipulated or misused this technology could potentially be viewed as relatively mundane, and trivial too many people to Kearns point many people simply don't care about the clothes. They put on and maybe more than willing to lies an algorithm to get dressed, however in the current social. Political climate support or protest can easily be expressed through color choice alone. There are varying levels to which the algorithm could create intended or unintended levels of expression. Here are few examples scenarios a user may be totally oblivious to the fact that it seemed Patrick's Day, however, the algorithm suggests the user green the perception may be the person support Saint Patrick's Day, or very least isn't against it. In sports, many teams participate in whiteouts or blackouts or other colors during the playoffs. Offense are encouraged to wear the specified color, Alexandra. Where are you? This is we're we're hitting overlap here. David says again, if he user is out of touch with sports here, she may unknowingly be in support or opposition of particular team based on color choice. Finally, I'm potentially more impactful would be colors associated with political groups, if a political national convention or gathering is being held in our particular city for short period, it could be overrun with one particular color, generally, red or blue if the algorithm happened to. Suggest a color of support or opposition. These are could be in for many unintended consequences. This can come in the form of being targeted as a potential outsider or being part of the group user would not voluntarily ever want to be associated with these types of issues would likely require massive usage of the service to cause a lot of major problems. However, it is something to consider going forward. If the service becomes common there could potentially be a day where you and eighty percent of your co workers wearing the same color without realizing you're actually part of a silent protest or silence a port for an unknown potentially. Sinister. 'cause love the podcasts keep it up. Damn david. It's a great point to bring up that you can stumble and do these things without realizing it because what do we always say fashion is political fashion is political gas. It's something to keep in mind that I didn't really think about a lot. But you're right. And a practical example that is coming. To top of mind is many people feel like they can't wear red hats anymore. Red caps. Oh, I was doing some reading about this because they automatically feel like it's a Societa d- with make America. Great again. Whether they believe in order, not and so they've decided to stop wearing it. And that's something simple where a red hat a red hat. But is it really because we're living in a context that has to do with what that object means politically, it's a great point to bring up. Yeah. I was once perusing a dating app with a friend in this guy came up an hour's. Oh, he's cute. She's like he's got the Nazi haircut. I'm like what what do you mean? And it was during the last election are soon there after and the far far far far right is where Nazis are right. This particular style of haircut on guys can be associated with a. Regular very far right-leaning group, and that can be you have to know that it's a thing to be able to have a feeling about it. Right. Because otherwise you're just like it's a haircut. I've known people who decided to style their hair different late for that exact reason right now. And it's because that haircut was being associated with that group. You can't take it out of context. Which is a great reminder. It was a good letter. Thank you. That was a good. That was good. Good letter. And I'm so cohere that was a great letter. I I was like what is this long thing? Then I took a minute. And I was like damn David back again in the white vans. I was waiting for it. It was damn Daniel. Right. That was what that mean was see how many damn Daniel shirts are out there. Just wasting away for stores. I'm gonna go back to my me. Mark. I still think it's funny. Daniela's one of my favorites teen Daniel Daniel, right? Yeah. Back again in the white fans. It's so funny. He's makes me happy this week. If you want to get in touch with us, go Choo, pop fashion, podcast dot com. You can also find us on Instagram at pop fashion podcast. If you want to leave us a review June's helps out KARN fever time. Tell me your one good thing. I have a great one good thing this week. It's not going to be as good as my McCoy ahead. Oh competition who knew today today. It is. My one good thing is Mary's list. It's merry M. I R Y S L I S T dot org. It is an organization that helps new refugee families, and they are awesome. Because they found a practical solution to a problem that is helping people get settled once they moved to the United States as you can imagine refugees. Don't have a lot of stuff when it comes to the US. They put an home, but they may not have practical items to make their life work, especially the first few months, what this organization does is that publishes lists of what people need on Amazon. And so you can go in click an item pay for an item and the item gets shipped to them. You don't need to know their address. It's hidden. But you can help supply basic needs for refugee families. Also, the organization tells you a little bit about the different families, many people were working with United States overseas. And then their lives of got threatened because of it, and that's why they had to move and many times they couldn't bring things with them. Sometimes they need things like refrigerators and couches, and that might be a little too much for your budget. But they need some basic things like sponges and a spatula, and that might be something you can help out with with your budget. I looked at some of the list today, they make it. So so easy such a smart idea. Also quick note if you go in a listen a bunch of really expensive items it's because everybody else bought all the other things like like a wedding registry. Yeah. Yeah. The fun thing is some of the lists were completed which means that families taking care of awesome. It's Marie's list. M I R Y S L I S T dot org. A great one one good thing. That is a great thing. It's gonna make mine really self centered. No last week my monkey thing was fluffy. But okay. So tell me what you got. I watched a feature film in the past week that I loved you may have heard of it. It was entitled the net. Sorry, sandra. Bullock, how did we get here? Again, Lisa because I finally watched the movie and I loved it a love this movie. I you knew I was gonna love this movie. Right. I did not know that. No, I did not. I was amazed at how much I love this movie, it's super dated, and it the laptops are as big as my whole body. And the car phone was attached to occur cord in the car in nineteen ninety five. But this movie still has a really decent plot. I have watched some other films adjacent to this recently. The others pale in comparison one is hackers which listener told me is better than the net. No, you're wrong. But thank you for your suggestion. I don't really regret the two hours. I spent watching hackers. I do regret the two hours that I spent this weekend watching Johnny mnemonic, and I'm never gonna get that time back now girl have you seen this bad movie? I think parts of it have you seen the part where Kiana Reeves ice tea and a dolphin save the world. That's the best part. You guys. You're looking for a movie from the nineties about the internet pass on hackers? Don't go anywhere near Johnny mnemonic, go for the net. It's still a solid movie. Does Sandra Bullock's performance? Still hold up. It's still really good. I think it's still a good performance because this is ninety center bullet, which is tip top Bullock stage. Yeah, there's a tiny bit of slapstick in it that I love it. Just a smidge. It's it's like classic sandy. And I love how you say it like, you know, her I've been house in New Orleans and by Ben too. I mean stood outside the gate. You mean stocks stock? Oh. On a walking tour an audio walking tour with some friends, and it pointed out, oh, if you look over here that Sandra Bullock's house in New Orleans and her newspaper was out front. And I was like should I throw it through the fence and give it to her and everybody was like don't touch anything. Let's keep walking. It'll take a picture. I love you. She needed her so many times pick a, you know, it was raining. Yeah. She's great. I the net. I finally watched it. I got it from the library. Lisa. You did a thing. I'm very proud of you. Finally, you saw the movie I had a hair of a moment right now when I was like shit that I return it to. Yes, I did return to libraries all thank you offer bearing with me during the four years that I alluded to this movie without ever having seen it. And that part of our lives together is over. And with that everybody, we love you. Thank you. We will talk with your next week goodbye.

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Amys Bestie That She Met on Twitter: Meri. 90s Fashion Is Back. Love Your Neighbor. Boosting Energy Without Coffee. (#20)

4 Things with Amy Brown

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Amys Bestie That She Met on Twitter: Meri. 90s Fashion Is Back. Love Your Neighbor. Boosting Energy Without Coffee. (#20)

"We are the one to saw. What up much box, and I know the most about sports the sports backs. My sports opinions because I'm pretty much a sports genius. Hey, and I'm Eddie, and I know the least about sports, I'm your average sports fan. Your sports watcher. I just don't know the who's who's or the what's what's what's up. I'm Ray I'm from the north. I'm an alpha male a Yankee, I love ice fishing. And if you go to a bar, and you see a guy shotgun and a beer, that's probably me and together, we are the losers. We love to talk about sports. Even though we're not right all the time. Check out our podcast, the sore losers on iheartradio or subscribe wherever you get podcasts. Never. Little. Life. Thirty was pretty beautiful thing. Back a little mouth. Because. Okay. With Amy Brown pretty pumped about today's episode that I don't even have a fun little story to lead. This thing off. I just want to get right to it. Because I wanna start with the things and get y'all going with that. So I'll just give you what's coming up. Mary is finally on the podcast friend Mary. There's been some requests when his Mary going to be on. If you don't Mary is I feel like talk about her on the podcast enough to where maybe you have an idea, but she's my partner in a spa. She runs the shop full word, and well, I met her on Twitter. So we'll get into some of that. But she's awesome. And I've got her on. And then Kelly from velvets edge is on talking ninety fashion, y'all. It's back nineties are making a comeback. So we're gonna talk about how you can implement some of the ninety stuff and look like you're with the times. But you're not trying too hard. Kelly is my go-to for all things fashioned. She styles me for things, and she's my friend like if even if I'm just getting ready when I say, she styles me like literally, I don't think I can. This myself sometimes so I'll be at home getting ready for even just dinner with my husband, and I cannot pull it together. So I sent her pictures just text him. Like, hey, does this look. Okay. And then she gives me thumbs up or thumbs down. And then also for like big work events. Like, I heart festival and stuff. She's the one that always picks out my outfit. So definitely trust her when it comes to fashion and Scott podcast website. All the things velvets edge is where you can find her velvets edge dot com. So what else I've got an Email from a listener that's an apology. And I thought it was really big of her to send me this note of I wanna share it with y'all because she kind of had some reservations or didn't understand back in the day. Why was adopting from Haiti and said of America? And so she shared her thoughts online. And then she emailed to apologize about it years later. And I thought that was very big of her, and I feel like we could all learn from that. So I want to read the letter to y'all and then. Lastly, I have four ways where you can boost your energy without drinking coffee. I mean, they're all drinks. So they're energy boosters, but it's not coffee, and it's not my Macci. But it's other ways if you need a quick pick me up and because maybe like coffee, maybe not much. So maybe you can try some of these things out if you need a little afternoon pick me up or maybe even in the morning. So there you go that's the four things for today. That's my drum roll, which by the way, my son started playing drums, dear the teacher says he's a natural. And I mean, while I'm impressed with that in like, it makes me happy to see that. He's like a natural at something. I'm a little bit hesitant to have a drum set my house. So if any of you parents out there have tips for me holler at your girl. I. Finally, the long awaited. Infamous Mary is on the podcast. Well, yeah. I mean, I get requests when is going to be on your best. So I mean, I reference you so I feel like it's important that people know, you know. You know, our relationship, and, you know, we talk about the shot Ford a lot on here, obviously and pimping joy and shop a spa and all the things and you're involved in all of that. And then just life in general in Haiti and the kids and everything so let's just start from the surf from the beginning. So where were you born? Wow. We're going away. Just getting serving the beginning of us, which would be Twitter and as trying to think so you and Bobby became friends on Twitter. I right. Yes. It was like on Twitter. I started and one of my coworkers. Like you have to be on Twitter. I don't know anything about it. And so then she was just follow bunch of people. That are funnier that, you know, and then see they follow and follow them. And I don't know I didn't know him at all. I'd never heard of the show. So then I just started following someone retweeted him. I don't know got something like that. Like, it wasn't anything. And then. Yeah. So you lived in New York at the time, you listen to the Bobby. I know I know you're like who is sky. But I thought it was funny. Yeah. Well, then I guess maybe you started listening or you got to know him. But you work for Marc Jacobs at the time. And I remember him coming into the studio when when he says some girl that lives in New York that works for Marc Jacobs, just failed me a package of awesome close. And that was you at that time, you were just some girl. And then I guess than maybe you started falling me on Twitter. I just so I followed him, and then he would like tweet about this girl radio. Amy like, oh, she seems cool. So yeah, I just obviously. And then you have like my favorite, quote from your sister is really good online personality, which you do that's a little bit of a disk. I think it's awesome. But you're you're really reserved private in. I don't know. But on love. Yeah. I love I feel like it's a great way to connect. And all of that. And that's how I would define you on social is a really good connector like you zagged well with people on social, so we connected. And then I got one of those awesome. Mark Jacob packages in the mail and to this day it included this little makeup bag, and I just pulled it out of my four things to show you that I still have it. So that's like one of OG that's spring a remember that? Yup. Yup. So I was in charge of like, I have a bunch of different things. I did. But one of them was working with all of our off price retailer retailer. So I managed all of our inventory from past seasons. I kind of like just give it out which now I'm like, those kind of crazy that I could do that. But yeah. So that's how you were able. Yeah. LS ran lifer. Like you awesome packages for Marc Jacobs. So that's when you were living in New York. And then I remember we are friends online for awhile. And then my husband Ben night, we were coming to New York for just a trip. And I thought if we're going to finally get to me that Mary girl from Twitter and then like great. Yeah. Bins. Like, no, you do not meet people from the internet. And but you were going out of town like you were going to work to to that. I'm from California. So yeah, I was in LA that week. So you've left town. So we didn't we were like ships passing did not get to meet that trip. But you did give us some good restaurant recommendations, which was awesome. And then I went to Kenya and you into Kenya. So we have that in common on social. And then you saw that I was going to Haiti. So then we started corresponding about that. And then you're like, well, I wanna go like next trip you're going. I mean, that's kind of how I got into Haiti. Anyway, was kind of vice no not even kind of Isla Jit invited myself on a trip. This this group was going and Tiffany Christie are girls from that group. I didn't know them at the time. But there was a meeting at Christie's house, and I yeah, I just sent an Email to the screw that. I heard was going to find out they were going. I don't know a friend of a friend. I just I been I we're gonna try to go to Haiti with our church in North Carolina. And then we that trip got canceled, and then we moved to Texas. So then we were in Austin. And then this group was out of San Marcus, like thirty minutes away. So I just heard about it. And then I sent an Email and they replied back, and so I literally showed up at Christie's house. I did not know a soul. I mean, it's crazy to look back. Now that in like has come I know that's crazy then VIN and. And I ended up adopting shoe kids, which was not hunter planet. All we were doing a domestic adoption got. It's really weird to think about so then to go to Haiti with you, not knowing you didn't seem that we are to me since I had already gone with a bunch of strangers. But then I know what it was like on your end telling your family your because they didn't know the Bobby bones show in LA ember not on air there. And so the probably like you're going where? Yeah. Yeah. So I wanted I had gone Kenya. And done a bunch of other mission trip type work, but I have never I'd always want wanted to go to Haiti. But yeah, when I lived in New York, my schedule was like, not quite as flexible, and then when I'm back to LA became a little bit more available. I guess and then yet I saw that you were going, and I was just like, hey heads up. If you this weird. Like, I don't know if I went with you or in the my sister actually wanted to go to and so and you were like, yeah, totally. Yeah. My parents were I remember when we talked to you. And we decided we were going, and I told my. We're just talking to my parents casually about in there. Like, wait, what tell these people? But I mean, they're like used to just doing I'm pretty independent. So I lived in New York and all that. So there used to be kind of like stewing my own thing, but they're a little bit. Yeah. So the first time we have been. Yeah. I met her coffee in Nashville, and I'm sure she was like, yeah. Yeah. And then she went back and said, okay, she's safe. You can go and my. In two 'cause I start. I did start listening to this show. So I felt like I don't know like a total weirdo for some people. They would probably see us interact online and think that we would have met because Bobby still hadn't even met you yet. And that's right. And then I was meeting you in the Miami airport on our way to hate. And I remember texting him. It was like oh my gosh. I finally just met Mary like in person. So that was interesting. And then from there, we started that started our Haiti like relationship in. It was like also think it's funny when we were there like other people like Tiffany Christie. They were like, wait, wait, you guys. Like, it was just shows like how social media can like you can really like Brinton together. Yeah. For sure. Yes. Because people probably would be shocked like seeing like how we interact wait a second. How y'all don't know each other like, yeah, we do. And you may announced everyone like we just met today. We met on Twitter, and it was like, oh my gosh. Stop. But I think it's. And then I just run one of our trips to Haiti because you definitely became like, my partner crime in Haiti me yours like we just became part of our year for like five years. We just kept going and going and going especially because we were I was trying to get the kids and anytime been go you were always on board. Like, okay, I'm gonna go. I'll go with you. And I'll be like, Mary, you you're busy. You don't have to go. You're going which was always really amazing and supportive and. On one of the divers some trip. I can't remember. But that's where you shared with me like that you had a plan for an online like platform to like give back called the shot Ford. But you haven't done anything with it. It was just in your is you baby that was in your brain. But it hadn't been born yet. Yeah. I feel like there was probably the first trip because that okay, I had done. So it's kinda right before that. And this is before I met you too. But I sent you one of these. So my sister like I said gone to Kenya with my sister works for like this awesome organization in Kenya. A Gaba, and like the do incredible work, and I really wanted to figure out a way to support. So we thought like, hey, let's make some t shirts and sell them. And so I made the shirts that was easy part. But then the the organization ended up selling them, and it was like a total disaster. Not because they're not awesome. But just like that's not what they do is like fulfilment of orders customer service and all of that. So I was like oh my gosh. There's such a need for this like some sort of online platform that makes and sells and ships does everything as a way to fundraise Forbes, Asians, and I just like really and also just a little bit more background when I worked at Marc Jacobs. We did like once a year. We would do these charity shirts like with collaboration. And that was always my favorite thing that we did. So I don't know just kind of always in my head as a way to like, Mary, my love of fashion and clothing production. And then also giving back so yeah, I think we've probably talked about that. And and I came up, and then we Bobby, and I were talking about pimping joy, which is a movement that started with my mom, and then we thought okay, will I think maybe you maybe mentioned like we could do something. Well, yeah. My head to start spending. Right. When I saw you guys. I was like oh my gosh. Why are we not doing sure it's like whatever was like, even if I don't do it. You guys should like it's just such a good way. Not even to fundraise. But also just like spread the message and like going shoes starter, red joy. Yeah. And like your mom, it's such an incredible story too. I don't know. I just thought it could like enhance it. Yeah. And I think we've learned to and sometimes I feel like a broken record. The like, I always feel like, okay? Bye. Now people probably know the backstory pimp enjoy but you running the shop Ford and handling all emerge like sometimes. Yeah. You we see that people don't really even know what it's about. Maybe some people are still buying it. But they still don't even understand the roots of it. So just quickly my mom was battling cancer. And you got her you mailed us. Remember a couple of weeks where she died you mailed us the first pimp enjoy hat the prototype. The pinball joy patch. It wasn't even stitched on yet. It was just taped on. But my mom got to try it on. And we didn't know, of course, at that time that she was going to pass away soon. We were hoping she would choose having a low, but we thought she would bounce back. I thought maybe she had another year or two or whatever part of the launch. She could be a part of everything, but she ended up passing away before we ever put the the hats on sale. But then once we did and people were aware of the message, and it was just that she wasn't going to let cancer be a negative like she wanted to use it for good. And that was her prayer like your Lorge issues this cancer for good. And that's what pimp and joy like every time. Someone goes the shot Ford and buy something enjoy like that's an answer to her prayer because there helping spread joy to whatever 'cause were supporting at the time. And then they're wearing it and in that like, hopefully creating conversation and as a reminder to them spread joy myself, choose joy for myself for others. Others. So enjoy joy was the shot Ford's. I what do you call it like client or labrum collaborate? That's better partnership. That's better not client as really bad word. But yeah lab and then from there so pinton joy has like insane insane. Yeah. Yeah. Like I had. No. So when I worked at Mark Jacobs. I handled a lot most of our online account, so like Saks dot com. Shop even Mark day, cabs dot com. So I would I would manage like the buying. I never did anything with the back end of it. So I can do site. Sure. So we made the website had the one item on the black enjoy hat, and I didn't know how many to make or anything. I think I made like a thousand to start you know, that was like a risk for me too. Because I'm like, I have no idea. What's I mean? Yeah. I knew you guys were on board to and like so we sold like Friday ten AM. They're going to go on sale, and they're going to support Saint Jude to all the proceeds. Yeah. And so it was like, okay. And I remember you guys texting me at like, whatever time, and this is seven AM, no nine. I can't do the math on west. Yeah. Sorry. And so like, I think I'm ready. And then I remember thirty seconds. They after like bobby's texting me like everyone saying your websites, not working, whatever. And I'm like, oh my gosh. I don't know. I think we might sold out. I'm not sure. And then like looked and I was like counting in there's a thousand orders, like thirty seconds still. I just got goosebumps. Yes. Yeah. Because that was definitely special time. And yeah, you even I'm thinking back to all the coal things. You did even before they went on sale like getting the or even when my mom was in hospice like you're just like a your your pimp of joy like you sent us all sorts of pimp. Enjoy swag to my mom's house that didn't even exist yet you were just playing around with different designs. Like, I don't even think we had the exact it was like pimp in with the joys my mom's writing, which is still one of my favorites. But it never I wouldn't say that was like it's not the official official logo or anything. But it's it's on some shirts that are out there, and you send a bunch of those. So the house and. Then like a pimp enjoy joy banner to where we hung it outside my sister's house because that's where we had hospice, and I remember nurse coming and being like, wait a second. I listen to the Bobby Bobby bones show. Like, this is the Judy that I'm taking care of my mom wasn't conscious at the time that nurse. It just was really cool to her to be taken care of the Judy that was behind pimping joy. And she was like a part of it was because of the big joy banner hanging from my sister's house, but then everybody that came through the house. We're able to give them a shirt or a hat and just remind them that you know, mom would want them to be sad. And like, you know, she's going to be going to a better place and in. At the funeral. Then you said, then the black hats got officially made. And they were ready for the launch Emami had her celebration of life is what we called in on the funeral and. All the pallbearers got to wear black. Enjoy hats when they carried her casket, which was really really special. And then even they wore them in the service inside the church area, which I remember it was a big deal for my father in law. He's like he's very by the book. He's like I've never worn hat in my life, but for the black enjoy hat, so all the men were their hats during the church power over Bobby asked me to send some for the show because I guess present. And then the show flew into Austin for the funeral and they all sat there. Yes. They were all in a row wearing inventory hat. So it's just that's I mean, but none of that would have been possible without you, and your we would not have done that had you not had that that vision. And I'm so glad we had that talk. And that you were like, hey, I don't care who you'll do this with all need to do this. And I'm glad that you encourage us. And I'm glad that it was you and now to the state hemp enjoys raised what like gosh, millions of dollars litter, and then the shot Ford soc crazy more money on top of that so Pimm. Enjoy. Is like a huge chunk of that started with that. But then you've taken on other collaborations and partnerships to where y'all like you've done over three million or something crazy to like all kinds of causes. Which is really cool. A lot of people think that no go ahead to like, I don't want you to be like the shop forward as like I think it's so yes, like people it's all because people wanting to give back in like do Gooden's like the power of generosity of so many people coming together. And it's like crazy. What like when we sold when we sell a shirt, and we raise the we've raised one hundred thousand dollars in a day, which is insane. It's like that's not like me. That's because there's like ten thousand people out. There are many not that like want to do good and get back and be part of something. Like, they are making a difference. Like, it's crazy that some people are like, oh, I just wanted. Sure. It's like, no you were you wouldn't about that. Like, this wouldn't be happening. So right. Yeah. Like the campaign binge. Oh, my gosh words helping. A veteran that was wounded and Afghantistan captain Nelson to building homes for heroes and helped build him a new house for him nut, which is crazy. And so every time you wear that cammo shirt, you know, like, wow, this shirt made a different legit. You made the difference like Saddam's, you can donate to something. And yeah that can make a difference. But then it's cool to have something tangible as a reminder. Yeah. Told and you got your right to give legu-. Yes. We need all the credit to everybody that shops too. But I always I like to to just. Thank you for your idea. And that you put it into life in that you make possible because it's hard work like you work on like, which is one of the questions. I think we got from people is like what's the hardest part of running your business and the shot Ford. And I don't know. What would you say? That is that. I mean, I guess it's just yeah. That it's kind of just all on me. Like it just gets overwhelming. Sometimes it's like I feel like I'm on this island sometimes like by myself doing, but I'm not. But then I totally get motivated by like, everyone that wants to be a part of something bigger and get back and all of that. So it is hard. But then it's like, it's it's so motivating, and it's like, I don't know I feel like honored to build a B that platform for people and the people even trust me. I think we've like developed trust from people which is huge like such a big deal. So. Any advice for someone? That's may be wanting to start because this is something that you start this. You're an entrepreneur like an you have worked for other people before this. And then this is your baby. So do you have any advice or someone maybe wanting to do the same? I guess research like crazy like I'm really big. I I like over research everything, and I really think everything is like you don't have to have some, sir. I have a business degree in fashion merchandising degree, which is definitely helpful. But not like necessary like everything is out there. You could you'd have watched. I don't even know how many YouTube tutorials like how to do things and Google there's I don't know. They're just the resources now with internet and social media and everything like everything's out there just say research like crazy. Yeah. Oh, well, let's transition into. We're going to pit it. That's from friends 'cause y'all don't get it. But. But. So are you single on my gosh? No. I know I didn't know pivoting to okay, let's two major pivot from because I mean, sometimes I'm like, okay, Mary do spin. You you you have to though, you spend a lot of time working like you work seven days a week. And you take I've gotten better though, God we got her. We can get all that. But it's like to I guess that would be my advice to just be willing to know that you have to go all in the beginning. And you're gonna make sacrifices at the beginning. But it'll be worth it. I don't feel like I'm crazed now. Yeah. Better better. And then yes, I'm single which probably single which I think a lot of guys my intimidated by your yes, I've has access. Yes. Like I've had that before where? Yeah. Yeah. Because shot Ford aside like you've had other successful business ventures like the sweater company that when you left Marc Jacobs, you move to California to work for your dad's sweater company and you created the ugly Christmas sweater kit. Which one of the funny things I love hearing from your data's. He kinda thought when you took him the idea. It was kind of like, okay would not have done it. Like, I did business development for the company. And he would he always said like if it had been anyone else, you would know because it was such a like speaking of pivot like it was just such a different thing for the company. And I was like no this is big like, it's be great. And then. Yeah. And then yeah, I pretty sure I once heard him say, and he is just excessive businessman. I think he said it was like the best thing that's ever happened with the company. I mean, I don't know about that. But yeah, it was a super proud of. Yeah. So we got in like we're in target Amazon, Kohl's Nordstrom like all the big. Yeah. Much every major retailers already big pretty big visited. So anyway, Mary has a lot of success. She's really forward thinking and creative and not afraid to go after stuff. And you know, I think that some guys might be intimidated back to you being single and dating Mary also has ridicu-. I know she's like, I know for a lafley point. Now, it's going to be a former pro athlete because we're older. You said like what's your ideal type and that was like five years ago? Yes, it is still is. Yeah. I that doesn't mean I which I agree or Chris Hemsworth. Right. Chris hemsworth. Isn't it Chris hymns who is out in a note that Chris Franke? That's what I meant failed. Like, Chris Pratt. I know Mary's like mom you failed me. So which Mary's mom is super keeled. Hey, dab, can she'll listen, we know she'd probably wouldn't tell. Which Mary sister, mom and dad, brother. They're all like, she's got her. She comes from like a really really amazing like fun loving family. But they can like love and pick on each other and fight. And like all the things I think it's a very healthy relationship. But. Everyone's all in on trying to find you share out like my daughter share because Mary's mom, basically, I think promised sheera trip and car driving all kind of everyone. She's like can he be your boyfriend pass someone, and then she and then when it comes to bobby's people ask if you and Bobby of ever dated, and no, yeah. Just clarify note, just friends, and then let's see let's do we ever have to deal with each other's PMS. That's the question. Yes. Usually, I'll get like a heads up texts from you and you're like justify, but or I can be like, Ooh, I can tell. Yeah. Tell I mean, and I'm like, I never have is you do. We just get. Yeah. You can tell or. Yes. We'll give a heads up. I think heads up. Texter just a pretty interesting. It's being aware being aware just way. Everything's annoying me today. It's not you. I'm just I hate racing. Yeah. So are you ticklish ships? Oh my gosh. Somebody asked that. I thought it was funny that somebody submitted that as a question. I'm yeah. I would say daily normal amount of you had then you randomly you were looking at Bobby bones show. And you said that one of our most popular videos is meeting tickled. Yeah. So I don't know what you're talking about. But I was trying to show your daughters to share a video. I think it was. I was trying to find one. We like dancing about Taylor swift or something, and I one of the top Bobby bones show videos, is you getting tickled God clean, Bobby. I don't think I press play because I was like what is. I guess people are into that. He's going to the top guy like honored. I dunno or something. Yeah. Is there Bland's verse shop for brick and mortar? So I thought that. Yes. I would love to that. Like, that's definitely like a dream. I guess, but I thought I would do it last year. But then the bunch of stuff came up like personally and professionally so I couldn't really I would want to do it. Probably one of our biggest markets, which would be like national Austin. So I'd love to do it in Nashville, but I don't live here. So it's just hard. I've probably start with like a pop up shop. But yeah, eventually I would love to and I already have your kids onboard. They wanna work there. Now her fake they need if you could choose one shot Ford item for the rest of your life. What would it be? One item. I would have to say the four things toad. So probably me do people. I as you can enough it's, customizable, so you pick your favorite different things to go. I talk about it on the that. Yeah. I've learned that people. Don't listen everything. This may be the first time someone's listening, but yeah, it's a, customizable, tote with your favorite four things. Yeah. And I love it too. Because like we had no plans of ever selling them. Like, I just made it for fun for me as a birthday gift once she sends you to raise money for the orphanage. And we were just like how we doing? We're like, oh, we can sell those totes. And then anyways, I just use. My towed every day. I have multiple of them. So I'd say that Geico. I would say that's probably the same for me too. Yeah. What would you be four things because I could if that's the one item you had you could just I could order new ones. Once I got tired of the old one. I just think of four new fun things, which it all goes back to Haiti in our hearts for Haiti. We both have a passion for that. Which that's how spas started anyway, which is a branch of the shot for it. I think sometimes people are confused by the shot. Ford and spa. And really if you look at it like the picture umbrella and shot Ford is the head of that. It's like the top. And then underneath you have these collaborations and partnerships will it's like it's almost like you collaborated with me and yourself because you're shot four in house. It's an in house. Yes. Collaborated with you. Yeah. And so. Gas was an in house brand at the shot Ford and everything that we come up with is linked to to Haiti and whatever group were supporting at the time when right now happens to be project meta share in their maternity centre. Because if you're listening to this depending on when you're listening to this podcast, you never know. But right now, we're in like mother's day season approaching and people are starting to shop for mother's day. So I mean last year we rebel a for different maternity centre. Heartline maternity and Haiti were able to send them sixty thousand dollars because people bought their mother's day gift from a spa totes. And so yeah, it is crazy, and it's all because spas started because the orphanage needed help again about only we only have been joy pump. Enjoy. Yeah. I should've you're on the phone and God orphanage they can't pay their bills right now and the nannies need to get paid. And then I had a spa tattooed on my arm or my wrist. Becau in typewriter funt because it s bombings hope in Haitian Creole, and it was hoped for the kids to finally get her one day 'cause my Dopson took five years, and we just took that typewriter fight and throw it on a shirt with the definition. And that was our first spa item. And then everything went to the orphanage, and we were able to help that way. And then then we started to really put a lot of time into it. And they're like, okay, let's make this our business in like it's now it's our little you've got the shop for baby. But then you've got another baby with me, which speaking of Mary, and I took the kids at Disneyland. And I definitely thought Mary, and I were together which is bad over. Sure. There were a couple and Stevenson socio where cute little Haitian adoptive or especially like hanging on you Stevenson. I'm me, and they're like there. Yeah. They're like mom. We had a tour guide and she'd definitely liked it at their dad. She deadly their moms for a little bit until she got to. Yeah. People in Haiti thought we were together there's so much because your husband was he had to serve he was serving overseas. And so he can always go go. Yeah. Yes. So there was that. But that's kind of how came to be was really just our heart for Haiti, but then developed into so much more and now, yeah, we put a lot of time into it. We want to try to come up with awesome things that y'all can feel cute in and feel good about buying either for yourself or gifts. Like now, we've got. Necklaces like our little star necklaces, and oh, we launched cool. Mom. Oh, yeah. Have you ever talked? Yeah. I know I haven't even said it yet. Because so we. So we after trip we realized we were coal moms, and like the one item to items I have mama shirts to like, oh, man. I can't wear those. People have requested a dog mom, but as soon as someone listening to this podcast is going to have the perfect person to set you up with and then you're going to date, and then you're gonna have a baby. And then you're gonna be able to wear the cool mom shirt which share at the other day. We were on a walk in share as asking Mary. Okay. So wait. The two we all she's thinks like we have babies in our belly now. And she doesn't understand like, maybe some point somebody told her that your f-, someone told her and hated all girls have babies in there. They just haven't grown yet. So, yeah, we're trying explainer will the women have the eggs, and then I'm like in men half the sperm, and then I was like, you know, what I've got a book on this. We'll talk about this later when we get home. So I've got that fun. Talk ahead of me, Mary why don't you go and take that one for me six to her health work. I was talking to a little bit. She's very matter of fact, about she's like, which is why I try to be matter of fact, I think. Or adults? She wasn't. We should be like she doesn't like Shire weirded out. Yeah. I think the way that she's thinking about it as healthy. Yes. I think we my mom wasn't healthy about it. So I think we need to be that way with our kids. And like you're talking him. I want you to be that way with my kids. Just like, okay. Yeah. I mean, there's men there's women there's eggs their sperm, and she was like, I don't want to have a baby. And I'm like you're right now. Yeah. And then my if my husband's around and be like, social, you don't worry about that to thirty. I'm like, okay. Honey. So yeah. So back to cool mom, that's an exciting new line. We have under a spa, which I am like super pumped about this crop. The scrolling. Rob sweat shirt. Like, I was selling about it like. Like, it was like it was like I was like Mary we have to have this as part of the line. And I think we've sold like six there's a little bit more crop. Like the motto wearing it shows. You're right. It's not as cropped as you think. And then if you have some high waisted, yoga pants or highway pants, it's so cute and project meta share has a list of influencers that they're having a sin gifts too. So that they can share and get the word out. Because obviously the more things we sell right now the more money that we can give to the maternity center. So they wanna support, and I guess they have some really awesome influenced that support them and the list they sent us. Let's just say Mary, and I rely geeking Alvik like to to last night. We were like, oh my gosh. Gosh to have our products. I don't know we always are trying to think of people to send it to not just because we're like, I don't know. Not because we think it's cool that they have it. But if they post about it, then it like, yeah. Of their influence about it. And then we raise all this money. It's awesome. Like, I was listening to the girl that did the away suitcase. But she was on how I built this or whatever. And which is another great podcast NPR with is. And she was like, yeah. We we started gifting luggage people. Like, I don't even really remember specifics on the celebrities. But definitely once they started coming out of LAX with their away bag and the pop Rossi snapped them their sales up, and I'm like, oh my gosh. What if we send it to some of these people and then the paparazzi snaps it? I mean, this is like this is just we're stilling southeast pipe dream, but we're geeking out. But I mean, how fun would that be? Yeah. We've had some cool people. Oh, for sure I'm trying to think of like, I don't know. Well, there's some like Nashville wives that we've seen them to that. It's really that was really awesome. And it really doesn't. Yeah. And they're so sweet to post you don't ever send anything with expectations oppose we end it because we were we like the people give and it's fun to think of their favorite four things or ask them what they like. And then we send it as a gift and then see Oprah. She hasn't chosen Oprah hasn't done anything yet. But we went to the the today show with no expectation of anything, and then we send to a lot of people with no expectation, so nothing lots of times. Like, nothing happens. And I'm one morning we will up and Hoda is one of her favorite things didn't Kathy Lee or things super cool. So we have all that stuff up available again just to make it easy and simplify it. Always tell you can either go the four dot com or shop a spot calm, but radio Amy's sorta easy to remember to and radio dot com now has links to pimp pimping joy in a spa. And which is so you have your own website now which varies the one. That stocked. My website to help me. I forgot. Yeah. Like. Like one years ago. Like, you need a website doing Mary's always way. That she doesn't want to do which is. Right. No feel bad. And don't say never mind. I'm just slow like I are not slow. But you just don't like it's almost like a good trait that you're not like how can I grow the my empire? Type. You don't. Because I like my business. Mine is always not. I'm like, I don't know. I just think like, yeah. You think business minded, and I I don't think I don't want to go slow. And then I don't wanna think like way too big or be disappointed by anything or then my ADD also. And then I have like I like to do lots of different little things. And then look at my list and not really totally check all the things off. But I don't think you ever self enough credit for what you could like your potential. I mean, I feel like you're killing right now though Q trion trying. But and it's from encouragement from people like you. So I appreciate that new one that encouraged me on time ago. Like, yeah, you gotta get website. So you tracked down someone was frothing on it. Yes. Somebody who ever if you're listening. They probably someone's listening because why else would somebody buy rate? So somebody bought it. And then I had to like negotiate with them down. Yes. She get the price down. Now. It's really awesome. Because I Dave is at the best. You Dave Ramsey does say that by the way, like anytime you're talking to any I've probably use that in my life every day. Yeah. Especially as a business person. You just say that the best price. I'll be like. Oh is that the best? You can do. Oh, yeah. People are like, okay, fine. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, that I feel like yeah. Mary we've been talking for thirty three minutes. Thirty seconds. Well, I don't edit anything. So I guess we'll just cut it here. I mean, but people didn't want to know about your hair all just tell you Mary's one of those people in her sister told me early on in Haiti, and I got super jealous of her at the time that she can like wash hair and go to bed with it. Wet and wake up, and it looks good. So slow clap for Mary that's a little bit. Well, but it does always look good in you use a use a wand, but you use a I use a curling iron like a one and a quarter inch curl. Yeah. That I just wrap it around real quick gap because we're both fans of the really loose like beach wave so in that just will end on a little an aura bay. Casey salt or the spray. I feel like C salt sprays it, Saul. Now, see it's like texture. It's like Beechy spray. Yeah. It's like like you've been at the beach. But you haven't kind of gives you that lung and okay? Well, right. I guess we're gonna close out. Now, it's thirty four six minutes, thirty seconds. So stop. Okay. But Mary you have to come back. 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And she is here to talk nineties fashion today because the nineties or back the nineties our way back. So I think there's a lot of things to think about this because they are back, but obviously it's two thousand nineteen nineteen ninety. So you want to make sure your if you're are implementing them into your wardrobe? It's an it's an updated way, you know, I have a couple of post actually on velvet dot com. Just talking about. One. I did recently was about tie-dye. Okay. And that's where it was one of your post, right, Texas, right away. And I said, okay, you've gotta come on the podcast and talk about this because I didn't even realize nineties fashion was back. So your guys anybody listening right now. Like, I'm learning with you. And I'm gonna start implementing some of these things that Kelly's gonna share with us. Yes. So the Tatas put decide I post you can go and actually shops and different pieces that I picked out did you tie when you don't see too. Yeah. I might do a how to video on. If you wanna do it yourself. It's really not that hard. It's not. But if you if you want the updated fashion, any don't wanna do that, the what is it? Version you can just my post, but it's so back. I mean, I've seen it on shirts leggings bags everything. It's everywhere. Scrunchy those are back, but you can do a tied ice, crunchy and really double dip on the nineties. Okay. Let me know when it's procreate to double dip because I don't wanna write. I'm trying too hard. Right. Like, you know, 'cause you know, me, I don't really know. And then sometimes I'll I may send you a pick and be like is this okay and be like nineties from head to toe. I one way to with with grand she in a jacket and Shuna suck. That would be too much sell. Always just think that it's good to put if especially with trends, you don't wanna go overboard, and you just kinda wanna say to yourself as well. So you just implement them in small ways. So one piece of clothing one piece of todai, and that's kind of the data version of the trend. Got it bike shorts or back. Wait now. I'm no, okay. Our hair person Leah. Yeah. She posted something about bicycle short because she was wearing. Wearing under and mean, and they look Hyun on her. But what I mean I saying that now and then probably fast for nine months for math because I'm way late the party totally unified short for something. Okay. So how do we do the bike short? There's a couple of ways you can do it. So you could do address your version like a Kim k- kind of thing to feel like she does this look a lot with the long blazer along top. And then a heel you could do that Kim Kardashian, by the way. We are we're on a nickname basis. Ah? So doesn't know. Or not. Well, you know now that you're reality show before ours. Shrill what if she might know who you are? Now if she doesn't. But no you could do. So you could do that. Or you could do the the casual version do adad sneaker an checkout my dad's sneaks, I'm not really there. My version those are really cute like sort of. I couldn't go full dad. I just couldn't. And I know I have another post actually about dad's sneakers that you don't have to be full force with that either. You can do the big chunky shoe or you can kind of go a smaller version, which is kind of what you have. So those bring me to the next nineties trend that I'm loving, which is a bag year. Gene, o the days of skinny jeans. They're not over there not ever don't make those as of me. I know I feel like I'm looking at the gingy ring right now, and they are a little bit. There's on fitted as you've used to wear. Yeah. I get it. It's a looser fit. It's a wider leg. They're not going to be as aggressive as German criss cross genes. Like, yeah. The band those were super Baggies. So we're not gonna do that now. And you're not. Backwards. That's also good point to make where them from front facing. Or any of you young listeners right now, Chris cries, amac data make it jump jump. Two guys. No three two guys. Maybe three in my fifth grade talent show performed to criss cross and they wore their clothes backwards. I'll never forget anytime. I think of crisscross I think of David Walker Adam winger, Eric I can't remember who the third guy was I think of them. And then I think of my performance that I did with my friend highly Kristen, which was to Amy grant song. Wow. Really taking back to the nineties. Yeah. Okay. So carry on site, right? So obviously, the Chris cost cross baggy jeans had an impact on you. So maybe adding to incorporate them into your word about hammer pants. That's aggressive. If you wanna go there. I'm sure we can find something some trend of that. I feel like in Vegas last year for heart vest. I kind of had a parachute pant of you did and those are. Really cute. So I mean, you can incorporate things like that. Yeah. Obviously, it's most most of the nineties trends in some form or fashion have come back. Okay. So if you if there's something you love us do it like chokers that would be another one of my favorites. Really? Oh, yeah. Okay. Like a like a bold black choker. Yeah. I've seen a lot of the bull black chokers that you kind of remember all the wardrobe from clueless or things like that. All of that stuff is back the mini bags just another post about that. Remember share used to wear that many backpack. Oh my gosh. Back all of that stuff is back. Okay. Well, that's an easy way to be a part of it. But not be too aggressive right with the choker or a little tiny clutch thingy xactly. The choker would be a really good one. You can do. I mean, there's a scene and a lot of other ones to gold any sort of any sort of you like you have that really cute star when all of this thing. Yeah. And the last one that I'm really really loving is neon. Okay. Yeah. I feel like obviously going into spring and summer you wanna put some more color into your wardrobe anyway socially in Nashville, it's been so drab this winter like I'm needing color. You know, posted something about you. And Kristen cavalry. She said, you were I don't know if that was an actual quote or just a me or something sharing a hot. Okay. I hadn't seen it. You were wearing a hot pink turtleneck. And she's like, wow, you're so bright. Now, you're no longer God. And you're like, I never was gone. By the way, I was never got Goth is coming back. I do love black. Yeah. Lurs black. It's hard because if you're trying to look chic at all are black easy. I mean, it's just easy. Always looks cool. But she calls that Goth somehow. I don't know. I think I like dark lip to. That's where she got that. But yeah, I had on a neon pink sweater. So I'm no longer Goth and Kristen's is which is so yeah. What I mean is it all neon applies like neon young rain Inc. All of it. Blue neon blue. I've seen it a lot in the swimsuit world's Frankie's. Bikinis is one that. I know they have so many options of the Neons that are just huge swimsuit shopping. Everyone's favorite. I know. They're ready. When I think about it. But yeah, I guess too. Okay. Why feel like that's a pretty good rundown of ninety stuff. That's back and easy ways. I mean the tide. I want seems fun. Like, I'm going to be into that. I actually have some tie-dye leggings that I'm going to bust out there on the nineties. No. But they're like appear Lululemon pants that I felt longtime ago at least I can wear them to yoga and feel hip. There white and purple tie. Well, there you go. So you were ahead of the time. Like, yes, what is that? What what it? Okay. If you find any we've got posts. So people can just go to velvets edge dot com, you've gotten everything up on the website. You've got stuff on your Instagram, which you're handle is at velvets edge also have a wishlist under the shop tab. And it's a lot of these trans just stuff that I'm loving, which I shall I mean, Kelly's my friend. But I go to that wishlist. I mean, I can she someone I can text her, and or she'll already let me know things. But even I go to her wishlist, and I'm like, oh, okay. And then all shop from it. So it's definitely it's such an easy way. I mean, it's almost like you've done the shopping for us, which I which I five so easy to click in the news shows up on your doorstep. And you're like you have to go to the mall and think and then if if it doesn't work then places have gotten really good with returns lately. Online shopping used to be hard because they made it hard. And now, I feel like a lot of the companies you shop from they make it so easy. The. The return like package labels already like all in there and totally like revolve in. What are some other ones intermix shot? Bob. Shallow out. Yeah. Makes it so easy. It's a problem for me, actually. Easy. Okay. Well, kelly. Thank you for coming on and letting snow about ninety fashion, I'm gonna go check out the the wishlist right now. It takes a lot to own up to something. Like, if you've said something wrong, and then maybe some time goes by. And you just really don't align with whatever you said. Are you finally realized that maybe it wasn't the right thought or thing to say, and then you go back in a polish is, and that's what I have here. As one of my things is an apology letter from a listener of the Bobby bones show who emailed me, and I just thought it was so big her to come back and send me this note when she totally didn't have to. But she did. And her name's Jessica, and I'm gonna read you the Email, and I did get permission from just to share this with you guys. So I'm gonna read it has to do with my adoption and how she felt with me adopting from another country instead of from America. So here go Amy years ago, while you were in the process of your adoption, I did not understand why you were dotting from Haiti and not America. I had said something to the effect on Twitter and LB laid into me for it. Honestly, I would have to if I were. Him. I will never forget, obviously, I have followed along, and I have both laughed and cried with you along your journey. I just want to take the time to apologize because I was a much younger and angrier person back then that doesn't excuse my curiosity or rudeness. And the way I had said something I think you're great mom doesn't matter at the end of the day where your kids came from they needed love. And you give them that the best. You can that's all any parent can ever do love their kids the best. They can. I know. That's what I do. With my two kids. I've gone back and forth with trying to get this message to you. But with all the different mom shaming. And other rough stuff you have to deal with. I'm hoping this is a bit of kindness and positivity that will just bring a moment of joy to your day. If you happen to see this Email, anyways, I'm sure you get inundated with emails, and you probably don't recall my route tweet from years ago. Still I apologize. Thank you for being as open and honest with us on your journey as you have been stay pimping joy. Jessica. So just thank you so much for the notes, and I hope this is something that maybe some of y'all needed to hear including me, like hard to sit and think like if you've ever said something I mean, she does admit that she was a different person. And she was curious like she genuinely curious, I think like a lot of people. Is I'm gonna use adoption as example for saying route stuff because that happened to me a lot when I was adopting from Haiti and the whole Haiti America thing, I had to defend myself so much, and I was like why am I having to defend adopting children just because they don't live in the same country that I live in like it made no sense to me. But I get that people still wanted to send their messages like we should take care of our own first. We'll okay. Well that depends on what you define as your own. Like, I don't I don't see the borders when it comes to love your neighbor that like literally does mean my next door neighbor, which I should be better at getting to know them. But it also means people in California or people in New York or people in China London, France, Haiti whatever I don't care Mexico Canada. I just was perplexed at the amount of messages. I did get at the time. I think now people are used to it because my kids have been home. A you're in. A half or a year and three months, and they're like, okay, that's cool. And they see it. Now, they accept it. But when it was first happening. I did get a lot of hate like it. It was a thing. So Jessica, no, I don't recall your tweet exactly because I did get multiple comments. And then people would end up fighting back and forth like on Facebook about it. And I was like, okay. Seriously. People y'all got to get some get some other things that you're passionate about because why is this argument? There's real problems out in the world, you know, kind of falls in line with let's focus on what we're four not. We're against like, where's the positivity? Like, why are you putting your energy into this like find something that you're four and and go after it with all your heart instead of hating on Facebook thread because Amy from the Bobby bones shows adopting from Haiti America. Okay. So Jessica, I appreciate the Email and apology accepted. You're awesome. And thank you for the note. Amy. If you are looking for some ways to boost your energy, but maybe you're not into coffee or you're not into macho like I like coffee, and I love the macho that drink every day it works for me. It's enough. But if you are looking for other ways to boost your energy with other drinks, I saw this article that just shared four energy, boosting drinks are coffee. And I thought, hey, I need to share this with people because some of you haven't really been into the macho that I've been suggesting which is so weird to me because I love it so much and in some people they legit can't have coffee because it upsets their stomach. So here's some options if you are looking for a quick boost of energy up in at number one on the list, we got wheat grass juice, which if you've never taken a week grass shot, I think they're personally pretty amazing. I love them. There's a Java juice in the Las Vegas airport. And normally when relieving Vegas says we've been there for work like I heart festival, or if we have another station of thera something, but you leave. They're just tired. And not feeling that great. And I throw back one of these shots before I get on the airplane, and it makes me feel so much better. It's like a natural energy drink. It says here, and it helps fight off infections and treat stomach pain. One shot has about one hundred different minerals in it. So wonder I feel so great when I take a shot after I'm leaving Vegas, so John juice has it. I know other grocery stores if they have a juicer sometimes they offer it or ju- shop. So maybe you could find it if you'll after noon, pick me up black tea is in at number two on the list, and I do dabble in black tea. I keep some in my little T container at home, and I will brew me up a little Cup. If I need it. I it just like an organic black T. I think the brand is classic is that a brand founded at my local grocery store, but I do make sure that it's organic that's a big deal to me. But again, it has almost as much caffeine as coffee. Remember, if I said that part plus is good for bone health and lowers your risk of diabetes in a number three pomegranate, juice. It's. Packed with vitamins and antioxidants, and it's a good source of potassium. It also has vitamin b nine which gives you energy and helps make new red and white blood cells, which is awesome. I personally don't think I've ever tried pomegranate juice, but I might have to look into it. And lastly on the list Kombucha, if you've never had that it's firm entity, and it's sort of an acquired taste. I started drinking it when I started doing yoga years and years ago, it was really popular at my yoga studio and Austin and it had to grow on me. But everybody there is drinking it so I felt like I needed to drink it to fill cool fit in. But it's it's got some benefits like regular tea. It's got good bacteria in there to help your gut and a lot of B vitamins to give you that energy boosts. That's where the boost comes from. Now, I will say if you're going to buy it from the grocery store, some people brew their own, and I'm just too scared to do that because you have to grow your own little. I forget what they call it. It's not squid. Clearly, I should've looked this up here. Oh, squeegee squidgy, pudgy, y'all. Remember what it's called somebody's listening right now. And they know what it's called and they're like Amy's too hot. It's it's called the squat. I don't know. But you grow this little thing. That's like the bacteria, and you grow it in your you can order online. And then you grow a more at home, and then you make your own computer. But I'm just way too much of a chicken to do that. So I just by computer. But when I do I try to find brands or flavors that are low in sugar because we're combat you can get you is your at the grocery store, and you feel like you're being all healthy because you're grabbing Kabukicho, but then you get one that's loaded with sugar. And then it's like, okay. No. You don't wanna do that? So just make sure that you find one with low low added sugar. Okay. So there you go for energy, boosting drinks that aren't coffee. Hopefully that was helpful to some of you. That's a wrap on today's episode. Big. Thank you to marry for coming on got so many requests for her to be on the podcast over the last few weeks. So Yup, choose finally here, and we'll have her back for sure Kelly velvets edge. Thank you so much for the nineties fashion tips. Hopefully, y'all can work some of that in. I saw these cute scrunchy at target that were neon and had tie. And it was after I recorded that segment with Kelly that I found him at target the next day. And I was like oh, Yep. So I bought him for my daughter. So she's very in style right now. It's time for the Email shout out this week. It's from Jordan and she shared a cute little story. Hey, amy. I'm writing to you. As I walked down the aisle of Costco, wearing my joy seeker pullover. The reason for my Email is that I just met an elderly man who was walking towards me reading my shirt allowed when suddenly he stopped and said, well, okay and lean forward to give me. Hug he then proceeded to tell me the story behind it. He shared that his wife had been gone for six years, two months and twenty one days now and began his story about the hugs. He told me that he had once shared a conversation about his wife and family with a lady at a post office who he now considers an angel. He said she told him that a man in his position should have at least five hugs a day. And that's when the five random hugs a day started. And I was number five for today. He said he had never seen the lady before and would probably never see her again. But she changed his life. I can't help. But think the same about this man, I've never seen him before. And I will probably never see him again. But a smile heart, and positively has definitely changed me to just a great example of why a love wearing my joy secret pullover, so much the joy at promotes the conversations that creates and the stories shared love, Jordan, so Jordan, that's a super cute story. Thank you for emailing that to me love. Emails from y'all and if you're listening right now, and you're like a second is still haven't caught onto what a joy secret pullover as well. It's pullover that we make through our spa line which supports Haiti. And in the theme song for this podcast. You hear behind choose joy laugh a lot cake while Walker Hayes was inspired by the joy seeker pullover. When he wrote the song, and he threw that in there because I mean, Scott four things make sense ties into the four things podcast. So yeah. Like anytime, I put my joy secret pullover now, I just hear Walker singing kind to let it cake, but we now have it on a pink tote in case you've missed that as well. We have a limited edition pink four things tote line. There's four options for mother's day, Mary, and I touched on spa because that's our our business together in our heart for Haiti together in ways that we can support different groups in Haiti doing awesome things right now, it's the maternity center at project meta share. But the. The pink ones are like we love that y'all are loving the pink totes. So we have the joystick or one that we had the mom goals one which says love hard have grace laugh often and get sleep. We have the cancer fighter one, which is chemo radiation cancer suck it which that being on pink. Now is a great one for anybody in your life. That's had to go through anything breast cancer related. And then we have the dear Mamata, which just says mom Madre mother and mama. So I love those Super Bowl. I've been carrying my pink joy seeker one. And just makes me happy and y'all I'm like, a black my favorite colors, black black and white like normally a spa stuff. Yeah. Our sex is pretty black and white. But to us going pink is a really really big deal. You can check those out if you go to radio dot com. That's where you can find links to everything to shop spa to pimping joy to my Amazon page. So I know I'll keep reminding you guys of that. And I feel I don't want to sound like a broken record. And some of you catch on everything. But if you're like me a lot of times, I'm multitasking when I'm listening to podcast in I miss things for sure. And then I realized by the emails that I'm getting from y'all some of the same questions over and over some like, oh, maybe they're not catching onto it. So it's okay. If I repeat it, and hopefully, it won't be too annoying. Those of you that catch it every single time, but that's radio Amy dot com again, easy way to find links to whatever we talk about. So okay. Well, I guess I'll carry on with your Thursday or Friday, Saturday, whatever day, it is that you're listening to this. And we'll be back with another QNA episode on Tuesday for the fifth thing a big. Thank you to Mike d and Elizabeth or getting this podcast up. And. Yep. Definitely couldn't do it without my people. So thank you. Joy. Jassat little. Life. Thirty is pretty. Beautiful thing back a little mouth. Kick. With Amy Brown. Hey, everybody. This is Chuck from the movie crush podcast, and I wanted to alert everyone to a very special episode. I was able to get Mr. Christopher Walken believe it or not into the studio to talk about the movie footloose. Here's a little taste of what you can expect. 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FASHION HAGS Episode 72: Evan Ducharme's HIREATH

Fashion Hags

1:20:25 hr | 2 years ago

FASHION HAGS Episode 72: Evan Ducharme's HIREATH

"Right. I'm Abby, I'm Evan. And I'm Katie, and you're listening to the fashion heads, we love to love and love to hate off things fashion. Hello goyal's. We're back here in the basement the hag czar back. Yep. It's back to the next time in basement trying. Stay consistent in our trying. Trion shining every with sun. Any time of year in Vancouver. Where you just really don't wanna leave your fucking house. Yeah. No. Are you crazy? It's it's not pouring rain. True. It's true. I every time I host Sonae. I'm like, I gotta get out of here. This could be the very last every everybody getting last chance gotta get out. Gotta go to the park. Now, it's gonna start raining for six months. Could be happening as we speak could be by the time. We leave the house today could be it. Yes, tides can change. Anyway, you guys episode seventy two last week was our catch up hangover Serie sessions, fun fun. But we're what's going on abs-? What's new with you? What was I going to talk about? I was going to talk about. Shit. I also had something I was gonna talk about all talk about this because we had fashion hikes. Oh, yes. Moment time event way activity, which is doesn't happen very often anymore. These days alone hit the scene out. So make up on and everything all of us did. Before we did. We went to the time. I thought it started ups knows perfect. But hero Aaron Gibson, author of feminist, easy and hilarious. Putt cus. Our podcast host Bernie throwing shade, which we've talked many times sin to it. She had her book lunch here. And so we all went a veasley, and we got our book signing, and we hung out, and we re gendered all the leaders of the world. Yeah. And we got rid of the Deutz and put some females in power. And yes is super fun event. She read, you know, a slow PowerPoint on shady women. Yeah. Great. Good swear, which was fantastic. So nice to know that there's like other people out there in the world who are just as furious just constantly Yuming at the surface just consciousness state of just mild to moderate rage. But also like can have holding together and still trying to be a good person and enjoy life. It's a delicate balance. It was hilarious. She had to I guess it was at the chapters. Indigo location a big Barnes and noble style corporate fancy bookstore. So there were certain words, she was not allowed to say, which was actually hilarious. She did shoot. A really good thing that it was really funny. She changed the b word betray on though. It's bitch. If you don't know. Stern into bagel. But then it also morphed into beagle. Typo powerpoint. So it was beagle. Also works which was also good. And then see words. What did she? Which was great. And then there is a couple of times. It's just made me laugh so hard you just nailed it. But there's a few where she just like leaned the microphone away like everybody lead in to say all the dirty jokes can actually was great jet into microphone shared space. Yes. Into the American Girl doll -tection. That's. All those huge. And gibson. Thank you so much for coming in for signing our book and for the team picture, you'll have already seen it on our instruments gramps Lutely, she's the best the best. Indeed. That was good times. And we think together which was like out of a podcast, which does not happen. Very often. Yes, it's true. I wonder what what everyone thinks our lives are like side of the podcast. Like is as as a unit. Do they invision us like going to Renfrew in like having lunch at Nordstrom doing all that stuff? And it's like no bitch career women. Yes. And we barely see. I barely leave my studio slash house. This point this podcast was a point to make us see each other. And then also make a podcast, but it was just an excuse to hang out and see each other. So talk about bunch dumb shit that stuff. Yeah. That's true. That's true. To my swatting ever noticed dump staff as I picked the foundation. Maybe that I know is there that I forgot to go always had to do my eyebrows. Yeah. Just to get little q tip and clean them. A little. I don't know how to do eyebrows. I did go. I'm thirty four years old. I get it. I rose for the first time for a wedding this summer. And I was like, oh, I see my people. Do this. Not me. Yes, sir. I I'm gonna commit to do. Just for eyebrows. Or my going twenty seven dollars on an eyebrow up. Now. No got tweezers. That's fine. We're good. Limit is twenty dollars per item, right them except for foundation. You can afford to go up a little bit Soviet whole face. Yeah. Exactly. If it's shitty. It'll show your face will look like it's cracking. But I. If you aren't familiar with Sephora, first of all the Faulk Pauline in in Europe. Really? But anyway, if you are part of their like beauty insider, we get a little card, and you tap your points. Redeem your points for little samples and stuff, which is great. I do it all the time. The fucker the kids doing their kids are having a dense party. I think somebody's boring boots upstairs stomping around maybe maybe. But anyway, if your member of their V I V I P beauty the month of your birthday, you get a little gift, and it's great. It's great every year. There's usually two or three choices of brands. They put an it's just a little tester of lipstick and eyeliner whatever it's by brand too. So. Got some glam glow mask and moisturizer said today today mail it to you order it through you can order it through the website. I don't know if they would just send it to on its own. I think it's gonna say. Going to say. Fill out the well. Fail the slim on your slip. Don't don't don't forget to your address. That's funny. But. I needed Nylander into us. Like we were super close to. It says I told a coworker who's super intimate up. It was going to go. And then I was worried that was going to get the glam glow glow. Glam glow one. And then be like, oh my God. This is awesome. And then go get the masks, and they're literally seventy five dollars. For like a tube multiple uses out of it. But is seventy five dollars. That's mike. We'll get the nine dollar one. Single use one that won the two ninety nine months from the pharmacy. Those wins the life sent sheet masks. Yes, that's the one. But anyway, the free one I'll try the free. She was the real use the Dermot roller just to feel real fancy with your name. Yeah. Yeah. Roller. Does it actually do thing? Just make you feel like it doesn't really improve circulation open stuff, and you have to do it in a pattern and you roll up. Always being fed is bullshit. Or is it does it for you can get ones that have like micro needles on it that are supposed to put like micro. Mike scarring micro roller is probably actually better than just ninety percent of face cleans the good Jade roller. I think because it's like it's like actually touching your skin. It's technical. It's mechanical actually like flushing things out and getting your circulation going and stuff as opposed to just a cream you put on before bed, and then it's like into weeks you're supposed to look younger. No, no, no this like works. The muscles in the actual physical attributes of your face and not just see snail. Jim. Weird mask last week while I got so I forgot I was doing. I was like. Like, ten minutes area. Slab this on. I thought it was just like a weird goo, but it's a weird that you actually feel like you can feel tingling. Yeah. I can try the ones that you put on and then they bubble. Those aunts racket my favorite. He's a snake. Venom ones. I haven't tried. The naked eye patches to. Che's there's fancy what is was the one that even Hollywood do. It's not putting the put them in the freezer. Yeah. Like gold. It's like dude with three names. Mario badescu. Now. There's another one anyway any Michael hall. That's it. Neil, Patrick, Harris. That's the one who's Dexter think. It's him rubber Louis. Stevenson. Was looking for I use a nude. I shadow pellet. There's three different sets of color, some really branching out so invisible that it's paints and and Browns, but most just use the pink glittery pink and glittering rose alabaster it's called like the nude pallet faced one the brand. And it's nude pallet. Because I'm not adventurous, your weight that should be noted. Yes. And also, but also I've been told that Brown eyed girls, can we're all the colors, it's the blue and green eyed girls that had the limitation. Thank god. I thought it was me. It's my sins. Your blue is this your back. What a relief I can go by my lightens, you go so anyway, Brown eyed girls can do a lot more with their with their colors than other colored. I colored girls whatever. So I was looking for apparently, I don't know. And also, I love Sephora, and I spent a lot of money there. I have never gotten one second of help from anybody who works really everyone their burger with help. They're they're on many prisons, but they will always cleaning or they're always helping. I'm like, how are you helping someone else? I literally in the store one hundred times in the past ten years or something never once has anyone helped me the people that that the tiller always super nice anyway. So I was trying to find it was the opposite f- ETA was like he had to fly. Yeah. Now, they're all busy. It's like when you're watching like, an eighty dollar foundation from Dior, you'd think someone that wanna come in help you to get that money out of your wallet. And recommend the concealed. What else you got to go right to doing it? Right. Yeah. Right. The powder and then in in the end, the right brush and the whole situation. The natural versus aesthetics and finish that you want. Anyway. So it's like you burn islander. Apparently, I was looking for gold eyeliner, but I wanted to gold liquid. A pen island afraid of guy liner. No, any maybe I look online stickers. We're talking before we started recording these I'm watching Pat McGrath miss might be obsession for another time. And she just see best makeup videos on her Instagram. It's the best and it's the coolest shit, and it looks amazing. I found Mark Jacobs one and it'll do for now, but it's a pencil and I wanted like a pin like a marker. I can't do I wanted to clean the very high shimmer, but Mike the McDougals pretty good this cold on. I can only do I can only do like the pencil like the coal. Yeah. Pencil eyeliner because it just irritates my eyes. Sure. Yeah. Right. Time for like years ago, I discovered this. And I was like, oh, this is another reason. I don't care for me. This is another point against you. I never got a chance to learn how to do it properly because my eyes are just like find a brand that doesn't happen. But you probably have to try six seven different ones. All twelve to thirty dollars e some like, yeah. Go would probably be good brand for you. I have a good pencil that I that is the go-to. Yeah. You sound like wear makeup. I wear makeup may be six times a year. Sure. Truly, and it's the same thing. I do every time the same married. I'm tired due date liquid liner on. And sometimes I blend a pencil liner on. And that's it. Yeah. You have cut crease for errands moment. Crease I'm trying don't tell you been getting a better brushes. I need different colors of like, I said all of my shots swished which match my. Alabama after skin. But anyway, that's what I was today. Got me birthday party gift gold eyeliner. Howdy birthday. We should say happy. Yes. Go. She's eight hundred years old. She's only looks like she's like maybe mid thirty Margaret's twenty. So. Oh, that's all. It was like twenty. Michael. Or is it ten dollars? So I'm very low key member. But it was nice. Get things that you can be like by going to do my thing for my birthday. I myself see late a millionaire. That's always good. Yeah. Listen to very depressing episode of cereal as I walked around winters. I season me neither I kinda tried. Yeah. I'm mindless in the mall. I think I need. I need one story to be to pull me through. I need to get attached to a character. Should listen to stranglers? It's very good shit. Yeah. Ever finished. I finished my business program. Finished the classroom element of it. So the rest of it is basically field work. That's what it's written as in the program. Oh, I need to go out and follow through on my year. One plan from running my business, which is going to be a hell part. You know, just that. It was one thing writing it. And now, it's another thing entirely to have to do it. Old into an institution like a school. You told them you were going to do something it'd be like deer the year, I'm going to be going into meetings with my program visor, and he's going to be like, so where are you in your cash projections? Right. Where are you in your market rollout your marketing rollout? Have you done all the marketing activity that you wanted to do within this amount of time? Right. If so has have you had a return on investment, you know, it's just like. Let me just hold on real fucking quick here. Stop myself in. Yeah. It's really exciting. I never thought I'd go to business school. I was never that. Kind of academic always much more interested in literature and social studies and could give two shits about math or law or anything. Yeah. Yeah. On until you realize, you know, what there's math and everything. That's true. Oh, they weren't lying when they told me that in grade ten. But it it's it was more like a different way of thinking about what I do. And that's this is a good episode to bring this up because it's up soda is gonna be a quick little recap show on my most recent fashion show. Yeah. Tell us what is called because every time I saw red nose like. Yeah. Oh, hey. I don't know what it is. It's here. I hear I was close with depend. From wales. His. English. Welsh welsh. And it means it's this sense of longing that you have for your home for your your homelands. I see. So why did you choose a Welsh word, this is it sounded the meaning because it came it came to me, and I it encapsulated that that sense. That I was feeling when I was making this collection. I think like moving forward I really want to be true to my own experiences in indigenous person, Canada and not. Be a not not attach myself to things or narratives or things that have that have nothing to do with my experience because. Everyone. And this includes everyone in Canada or what is known as Canada, everyone experiences colonialism differently and learns about it differently. And from nothing at all to oppression every day. But also like like, colonial violence doesn't just extend to indigenous people, of course, it doesn't. It has a lot to do with our history, but colonialism has affected people who've been brought here with unwillingly people who had to come to Canada to escape persecution in their own country and escape violence in this game powers, and poverty and. Of. So like, it's my my understanding of colonial violence has kind of expanded. And not includes women, of course. Like colonialism is a patriarchal system by by nature. So a lot of the equipment that women face in Canada in US have allowed to do with the settler colonial way of life. And how women were like stripped of power beacon is right and denied right now. Just so that the institutions that have become known as in the United States could exist and showed in six oppression in general is it's all if you of course, it you need to look at how it relates to one another and how it differs, but. It's all it's all interconnected, and you and comparing there's really nothing to be gained by comparing people's oppression. You need to see how they fit together and how they worked together to hold each other up and that is kind of. What I'm aiming to do with my work. And and part of that is state shoot to my own experience in telling people how it's been for me, and my family and people I'm connected to within this framework. So tell us with all that in mind, how do you get from that to putting address on the runway? Trick question. How does it work a lot like I can attest to this? Because you've worked with me since will, you know, like since I've become professional, quote, unquote, designer like when I met you guys I was not a professional quotes, she who wrote quote, profess you don't have a day job paid to do this people seek you out specifically because they know feud year professional there is. And there's Esther. Imposter syndrome is fucking real real, especially when you're you don't have a day job. And you keep yourself alive with the money. You get from this. Thank you, just straight up. Dictionary the Dixie time. That's that's what that is. That would be the proverbial slop down not on my, watch slapping down. But I'm gonna push back up yet. It's the. You guys can attest to this. Like a lot of my process doesn't doesn't actually happen in the sketching in the cutting and the draping and the making clothes intellectual more in the process in the research being in the ideas and really. Part of the reason why I wanted to quit fashion in general is because I felt like I wasn't allowed to say what I wanted to say in my work and still be commercially viable, and and and be successful in the industry, and it's professional. Exactly that I like, no one would be interested in buying my clothes. If I was saying what I wanted to say with my work, and now people are buying my clothes because of what I'm saying. So now, I feel like I have an obligation to be think really critically. But what I'm gonna say with my work. Pretty common thing for artists who are serious serious in behind omitted about it and try and get it from like thing. I like to do a thing that I am passionate about into a for lack of a better turn of phrase away of life. Like, this is this is how you spend your time. And I think that's a common thing. But I also think that it's not particularly well understood how this question like like, I can just hear my dad listening at home. Hi, chris. Hi, michigan. Katie's dad. Hiking immune amazing birthday card. We all we all had a good. Chris shared it with these two. They would love it. Was so cute. My dad doesn't even know to turn on a computer. Hey, I got a paper card in the mail for my dad to it. Head. Oh, yeah. Yes. Good. But anyway, I came here. The questions dad is thinking has had and it was like, how do you get from this description of of what all your thoughts are too? Sometimes the word lends itself to the collection, and sometimes we need to find the word to fit what we're saying. Because this is a woman that I just liked to do with my company. I heard it. I don't know. I read it somewhere. I heard an interview somewhere that someone said that a good collection should be able to be described in one word, and I like that. I like that. Because I love that word that you chose is definitely spot on. Yeah. And but I don't mean that I mean like all of these thoughts and feelings about into into Jerry inlex, art, Simoni Eliza. Okay. That's cool. You can see that you're passionate about those things. But how does that turn into a address that you put on the runway other people can in appreciate and understand your vision in your messaging? I mean, the whole bread and butter the whole bones of it like you on the spot. But like the thing the thing that was that. I really do we looked at the outset of of designing this collection and thinking about it and thinking about the mood, and what it would look like. When I when I first started to mention my family in my in my people in my work. I felt like it would be disrespectful to continue on in this like overtly sexual kind of message and visual branding that. I've done before in the past because you can you can look at the collection. I did before gin, and it was very sexually driven very sheared. That was when we did the jock straps for the first time, high slits, everything was super body con in very fashion in like little explorers of silk on like, naked bodies leg. It was very sexually driven. And then when I jump into the next season when I'm discussing shifting your filings. And I just it just wasn't appropriate like everything needed to be very covered up. And it was it was like there was no cleavage. There was nothing. There was a fabric law. Everything was like, very voluminous and everything was layered and covered up. And that's like I also like. Also like when I was feeling. Yeah. In my own life. I wanted to be I I wanted to be very like closed off. And like it was like an armor that I was putting on and I was dressing people for having to survive choice. Yeah. We're going to get to that. Like, you said if you present your heritage and stuff, and that's not gonna work. Then as I kept going on. And I started to become more involved in my community through dancing, and then of course, through fashion when I went to Toronto and when I got involved with indigenous fashion week Vancouver. I saw that I I could still honor the ancestors in that way in that in that way of giving them reverence and referencing them, but I could still create work that is going to feed and fill the people who are here who are still alive and worry now. Yeah. And a a lot of that is is an awesome out siders who wanna buy it because it's good and well designed and beautiful. You gotta get a lot of boxes. Exactly. And then I I wanted to create work for this. This group that this group of digit queers in queer indigenous people in Cutie by folk the queer trends blocking. Indigenous people of color that. That made reference all like the way that I like to dress. When I go out and marrying all those kinds of world, basically marrying all of these pieces that I've done throughout my collect throat might Myers before speaking about my Jannati within my work and bringing it in altogether because I am all of these things I'm not I'm a child of colonialism. I'm a child of of the modern world. I'm a child of the digital age a material of the sexual revolution in. It's just like. I think maybe like you. Who else would be doing that right now? Nobody that's what I need to be doing. I need to be doing the things that nobody else can do. Yes. Because the real. Yeah. And that China is someone else. Exactly. It's funny that person's taken exactly that hold true. Uh-huh. Yeah. I have it on among upstairs. It's the kind of thing that you just have to you can read it eight hundred times a mug upstairs. But until you actually have to really livid apply it to yourself and seed in a way that comes along at the right time. And you know, is able to be applied in the ways that you see it working and to be inspired to that it. I ring it does to you until you're ready for it to apply to you. Yeah. Yeah. And you're there we should mention as well that this show was not just a show of yours. It was a showcase of an you other in digital design Lord for not. POC queers, but wears very much part of the part, but not the. Except for my see. Okay sees. Yep. Yes. But it was a it was it was a great event. Didn't like these kids really fucking hit the ground running. And I, and I know what it is like to pull yourself up by bootstraps and do something like these kids really style eight years younger than you. John. And they pulled up an amazingly professional well done show hats off to Ashley Ashley. Produced the fuck out of that shit. Yeah. It was so well done, and yeah, it was a great. It was a great atmosphere all day, like a great sense of community. There was a great representation of necessities on the runway and yes gender identities. And and it was wonderful. It was the audience to which was nice. I mean to see them as an outsider of all of these things. Head white woman. Standing up. It was really nice to just be in that space for me. I can't even imagine what a fellow like for them right to be in such awesomely positive will first time they've done outside of like a like governing whatever or fashion week. Sure. You know? And we had a lot of agency over what we wanted on the runway what the style was going to be like like all. Yeah. She could be Hella weird and not have to clean it to someone. Yet. It was it was a really good experience. And then everyone did such a great job and all the clothes were so good and everyone had their own points of view. And and I think that is so necessary like in a such a small industry like Vancouver that we get these opportunities to hold and create a space where it's all locally grown talent. And and you really, and it's not like the regular fashion weeks where we're competing with brands from outside of the city check for exposure area size or whatever. Yeah. And they all have they are we all kind of like on a level playing field. Like, we're all. I don't know. I definitely felt like like I was I was grandmother and everybody knows anti helping like giving like words of wisdom in lake telling people to calm down. Here's something. A very different experience in that sense. Because mostly it's been telling me people telling me to calm down to tell me what to do telling me to eat. Yeah. And I was just chilling and just. And and y'all have seen me in some. Yes. It was really fun. All of the clothes were done at midnight the day before the show. Oh, really hours of sleep. Yes. I did. Good for you. That does not. That's not. No. So how many looks did you have eleven eleven of you call and you had boys and girls in fem. And ladies and Dame's and whatever. The whole spectrum. That's so great. Yeah. We've seen that you favorite people who come again, and again, and again, some new some Perennials. Beauties some new energies. That was great did have a standout piece for you. Like, your your little finale dress Jason war, tell us about it. I don't know. I didn't I wasn't at the show Hillary one another thing that I really wanted to do this season is start to put people on the runway and in the advertising that reflect the people who buy my clothes exist in the world. You know, that's a novel. I my clients and customers whether it'd be stuff that they buy online or stuff that they get custom made in the studio. They're all different body types all different gender identities. Jerry. Ages and nationalities and whole situations where they. They fit there. It's a beautiful spectrum. You know, and I just looking back on my history. And and my like, visual, basic view, Google me. The only people you see wearing my clothes are thin bodies thin. European like European standards of beauty, basically, I'm upholding these ideas of beauty that the fashion end. I've been rained with requires of you. Yeah. Successful that we were an old person dark-skinned per se on over this size. You know says. Yeah, anyway, but I had I realized I had a lot of baggage that I needed to sort out from being educated in the western fashion academy insure being I'm studying all night being an absorbing high fashion. Pure repetition. Just all these visuals. It's hard shake just in the same way. People need to. Shake the way they think about somebody because of the color of their skin or because of who they're from exactly language the last name or whatever, right. Yeah. It's like you need to need to shake the shackles of. Shot a big insurance. Like, we all have our we all have where to do like like, I think like because I make such grandiose statements that some people might think are grandiose like I really do need to. Admit when I'm wrong. And actually. Yeah. Knowledge because like, I do a Ken and do create work and clothing for all bodies sharp, and you can't tell that because my clients are private and they don't share photos. They I don't see photos of my clients and their garments. Sometimes they send an Email being like, thank you so much, blah, blah, blah. And that's not you know, it's like people not everybody wants to be put on the Instagram. Yeah. You know? And that's like. And you and you buy you buy like with it doesn't mean. Yeah. Your money with your money. You buy the right to say, yes or no to one into posted on. Yes. Online the people to bring back to the fashion industry, generous, look at all the people who are Kapoor patrons. These people are no because insurance. And you will never know lots of the time. Like, that's what normal regular people. Do a lot of money. You'd rather be quite and these people are seeking you out for a not everybody wants their wedding photos online. Not everybody wants periods about this. But it really good just to be more inclusive on the runway inclusive in advertising and inclusive in social media in general, general, branding, imagery and stuff like that. Yeah. I think part of it too is just talking about it as as though it's not this crazy Wild Thing. It's like, no, no on the something. This isn't like a way. She hey, we be found on Instagram. Yeah. Exactly. Like inclusivity is not a hash, Hank. You should be building a brand on it should be it should be fucking part of it. It should just be the standard. Obviously is not. And we have a million miles to go. Including that in your in the very base of of what do your function on every level? Then we men then it becomes easier and easier and easier to have those conversations, and it becomes either easier for other people to see that. Yeah. Well, he's doing and it's no big deal. And like oh shit. I didn't realize I wasn't. Yeah. I the only way to change the tide really is is to is to create a new expectation new standard of decency when you normal distri. You know, this is what a personal yet. Like, this person is just as valid important and interesting. The blonde model victorious. So don't match. Angry mega to heated off the microphones. More than me talk about settler colonialism. No, you're I in in how to talk about that diplomatic. Yeah. I guess. Bad. Yeah. I was getting that whole woman side of that particular argument secret being a woman around that shed our whole lives for ever I've never had to shop for abroad. This is like. Yeah. We have something we could be why ably infuriated about I was this is bit of a side. I was outside. No, never you guys. Like us. I know stop that president. I we're up for drinks in friends like maybe a year ago, but we were is a friend who was getting married. That's right. And she was talking about the bride to be was talking about like getting address or like, whatever the usual bullshit. And her hoops, you gotta jump through yet, and, you know, losing weight and being in good shape, and blah, blah, blah. And her soon to be husband was like, he's he's like, why does everyone think that like that, you know, women that men want women to be super skinny and like slim like, why does everyone think that Choi? Trading like literally every direction for girls since they were five or six years old, literally everywhere at all. That's where angle from everything. Your I lands onto everything. You're you're touches to everything you read or sitting next to or the way that he freeze. It was like that, you know, the that's what men want, and it's I mean, let's you're in a little self absorbed because it's not just about what men want. But it touches is nothing. It touches on the exact truth of like this whole patriarchal bullshit of the male gaze and all of this perpetuating, this beauty standard that has nothing to do with men and yet they control the entire equation. Just like I was like, oh, I can't actually have. We're having time. I ruin this night. We're having disassociate for ten minutes. Yeah. Glosses wine. I'll be right back or gimme a double gin and on. And we will hash this out. You're in the lakes. Very smart goals. And he he didn't eat it in like a. Why is this like this? He was as like curious in fresh rated as as the rest of us, but it came from a place of complete ignorance, which it so often does. But I was like, oh, no, literally everywhere all directions at our entire lives. So one hash puppy. Oh, that do you want to know more? You know, what let's let's not just have a great wedding have fun. Yeah. That's why your friend is getting. That's why. Yeah. Because because of that she has of that it's not because of you has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with you. Fuck and rep your head around that. This this this this gives me the feeling of when people are sick. Oh, like, I watch this documentary on residential schools made me so sad. And so a shame initially like I'm not gonna help you absolve your guilt. You work. Because it's fucking bummer. Yeah. Yeah. Dinner party, Barbara. Replace the ball of wine and shut the fuck. Don't talk to me talk to your other white friend dummy. Don't talk to me by native writers. Yeah. Yeah. Support Nita ample opportunity to your own education doesn't involve maybe go to a protest some. Yeah. Oh, man. I'm. Wanted to add about your show you or a there are I was like God out of my car. And then I saw bunch of weirdos smoking cigarettes in an alley, and I was like that's where. So I went in and I cut roped into working right away. Doubts. Fine. Him down to the backstage came up Tyson people in dresses. Gorgeous photo of abbey lacing somebody until core says it's my arms hands blurry. She's probably mid mid PO just fit her quite nicely. Well, it's one of the benefits of a dress to get laced into its you could be anybody type. Because it's all it had lacing up the side and up the back. So. And this is a matter of time. Titan which want the losing? Then you need someone to help you get into it. Yes. You're not getting yourself into that dress. But it was a good time said there was a great five backstage super organized. It was great. I went out and sat and to the livestream for ya. Just great. We'll open the show a mesh dress which I loved that one. That was another one that I really love. Yeah. I just liked it was so as someone who was bald your career since the very beginning pretty much. My was the very beginning. If you come into Vancouver. Had a many years other than the eight that I've known you. But it really fields or felt lake. Use the word culmination. But like it's not the peak because we will go on from this. I don't mean to meet it as like that's eight attack of your own hill. But it really did feel like an evolution and progression of everything you've ever done before. That's really really all. You can ask for. It's like as you say, you know, you take you each season. You do what you can't. And then you build and you learn and explore and I know better you do better. Exactly. And I really feel like you accomplished that with this. There's things that I'd seen before done better or new interesting way or just shifted enough. Or like just the perspective twisted a little bit new things that I'd never seen before. But that's still fit and seamlessly with the other things and like, especially your. Was it origin? I forget that had like your dad's hunting stuff, which I really liked. But that seemed like I I hate to use the word like rudimentary like like, a, very basic. Marrying of those two things of your personal history and experience in your life, and then your fashion side. All is that what you mean? It was more literal in more. Yeah. More straightforward like, you just made your dad's quilted jacket, and you made it really chic, but then the next season for atavism you had the ramp like the big shoal deal. Right. That was take off of a quilted jacket, but Fash and you wrap arounds beautiful gown. But it's still, and then, you know, stuff like that that happened the the big skirt you had for atavism that was all the feathers and things that you didn't get to do because time and money and the universe. Just working. But that blue dress that I got to lace up that had the little the little bits of white fabric that looked like feathers that were those fun Appliquee. Okay. And soci-, so high fashion and haute couture, not like high fashion. Like, it's an insult magazine. I'm talking could tour what do you mean in styles fashion? It's got one on the car again. What was I gonna say? I've been obsessive McQueen for a long time. And after watching one of his documentaries, the one that was only m two which went through his last few shows. Com being able to see how he did it. And he had he does that where he there's so much research and brain and him just sitting and ruminating and thinking an adding and subtracting and combining and multiplying and dividing things in his brain before he even sketches anything or so is anything, and that is your process like you said, it's very. It's very frontloaded your process, right? The beginning of it is making is expensive. You gotta make sure sure. But the time you get to buying the fabric buying fabric, cutting it having a consultation with somebody because that's the thing too. You don't wanna have a constitution with somebody? And then have to redo it. Also, you don't get paid for that time. No, you hemorrhage money when you make a collection. Yes. And theoretically, you make it back, and that's why that's why things like oh couture. Like, yes, you are spending money on the actual hours at took for the foremost experts in the world to make this. But you're also paying for the five years that this idea has been played with the only way that you never see that all of a sudden you'll skit it's ten thousand dollars you're paying for the heritage that knowledge that's passed down on how to make all the mistakes that have been made of the samples that have been passed versions and they try to two seasons ago, but it didn't work because x and y and the now they yeah. Which is what you were doing a good job. My friend. Hugh, Honey, where we see images are they some there's some backstage images that are being shared right now on on the Instagram page into shrimp studio, I'm gonna be shooting a new look book for these new pieces, and they'll be available soon on the website. Yeah. We'll put him up on on the all because y'all got to see this shit. Yo. And we'll put a link to your Instagram. I mean, there's a link on the Instagram on the website, all the time fashion podcast dot com. I don't think I say that enough because it is there an index in the bumper on every post there's all of our yes. Yeah. Yeah. And then at the top two if you go, and I think there's meet the heads. I think our information into although I say that now, and I think wait a minute. Any way pretty good spot. Here. Are we overtime your great? Great great because I really have to p gushing time. So I'm just having a really good time for me to go to that. I. I don't want a big one time when spoilers dead the whole time. My secret Evans that he that was we were talking about something he said that's be my obsession. And then I press record. Okay. Okay. Art. Yes. Can we just do a friendly reminder before we before we do this this? We are coming up on black Friday cyber Monday. Yes. Spend your dollars wisely. We are also coming up in feeling we have to but don't feel like you need to shun the whole thing because it is people's livelihood. Yeah. People make money money to Amazon give your money to your local do not ever have your money. I just don't do it. So you can be black Friday enough you monster. Yes. Go to your little neighborhood, tcb because they will take your money, and they'll be way happier with they're forced to do black Friday shit too. Because they're doing it. Also, we've already talked a little bit about this. But it is thinks giving and just remember that it is a colonial bullshit holiday kated and people are hearing about it and just be of people's entities towards thing. This time of year. Yeah. There's the whole historical context. And then there's just the straight up like family drama that happens. Yeah. A lot of the time together. Let's give strength to the people who maybe it's not fun to be with. You're gonna say maybe we're having a really hard time because the shitty in town, and they have to consider across the table and their shitty racist, or or homophobic, or shittier problematic parents or whatever. Yes. So are we're with you self care. So if you need to lock yourself in a bathroom and just play on your phone for twenty minutes do. Do it. Anyway, I felt like I had to say that before we get forgotten. Then I really wanted to say serious message of love I actually action for people know what day it is this recording actually is relevant. Never happened. Oh shit. We should I meant to anyway. Katie life, self care. Yes. Thanksgiving is nonsense. Go on Evan obsessions. During the food thanksgiving. Living kick. Tricks him and tell reference for anyone isn't the no. So I may or may not be which. Okay. All right. I can other confirm nor deny. Okay. All right. We won't pressure. You right now you so I have always loved which narrative, even even a problematic, which even the bullshit ones. Magic. What all these nonsense of the Whigs alone. Yes. The way that the wig le'ts. Even the kids wear wigs believe it or not I think the brunette girl might not but little Evan. Rachel would definitely is wearing a little a little unit. Wigs and witchcraft on Brad. There you go right there. So I've ever run into him the street to talk about that. So to get to jump off Sabrina Sabrina was last week. Right. We've talked a little bit about that bullshit down on their. Yes. Also, there was some bullshit on American horror stories. That's what we talked about last week. And then now the finale he's been happening. Four alert. There's a simple shit. They bring they bring a black woman back from the dead, and then Chey murders of black woman than this. Basically Marie Lavelle comes back from the dead. And then she murders the new Queen. And then she gets her heart ripped out by the anti Christ. Which is a white blonde do on, dude. And it's just sometimes sometimes you don't wanna see that on television. You don't wanna see Angela Bassett at her heart ripped out by white boy can't black lady just lamb can she just? Not even on top just like survive, a live people be alive by the end place. Yeah. That'd be nice. Can all the white girls. You want? That's fine. Yeah. There's so many there's a lot of them a lot to choose from especially in American horror story, especially American the dis of humanity show, that's fully another witch narrative that mean Katie have been part and parcel to for quite some time. Potter one? This pre exists your fringe, definitely. Yeah. And now that all of these new movies are coming out the fantastic beasts movies. I just went and saw the most recent one in there. Some fucking bullshit in there to basically like every like POC witch or POC magical character in this new Harry Potter universe is like a foil or a plot line. They're not really like a fleshed out character with with agency. Like, they're kind of just like. Especially the test for people of color because there should be. I think it is included in the Bechtel tests. Okay. So I was gonna say because all you could just ask to replace woman with person. And see what see what? Patriarchy's have to shift the other. It would be easy to other tests like daycare rolling wrote female characters that really only existed to forward the plot for white guys. Sure, you know, talk. Do they talk to each other? You talked to each other about something other than the man. Yeah. No, no, no, like like, like, the main female character. Her whole point is that she's trying to find a a guy this guy who has this weird like a magical disease where he can't control his powers, and he just like outbursts and stuff that's her whole situation. And then she. And just to go him. She's taking it upon himself to like fix an unfixable man of violent unfixable man to be his free therapist like fuck number four. And then the other female character is her whole her whole point is that she's in love with a with a muggle she's in love with a non-magical, man. So therefore, she's corrupted by another man because he tells her that she can create a world where she can love him freely. When that's not the case. She's being bamboozled sharp in later. And then there's that's yeah. Got a few different situation. Yeah. And then there's the leader l'estrange character, which is Zoe Kravitz. Very famous. Woman of color. I mean, obviously, her dad's Lenny Kravitz, Christ sake. Then J curling had the absolute unmitigated gall to put her in a movie where her whole narrative is this being in love with two brothers and being a bad girl, and like having sorted past and being ill, astronomy and lake doing all and being pleased legacy of of evil within the magical world, and like trying to tear herself away from this expectation that she's going to be bad, and that she's gonna be like withholding the upholding the pure blood way of life and all of this. Put your whole life is tied to her. Shitty. Father who used the imperious curse on women to have children are whoa. Yeah. Gross. Yeah. So her father was a real fucking piece of worth shit. And I I don't know I feel like maybe Jake is is using this as an opportunity to make the metrical world a bit more adult because we always exists in a child's world in the Harry Potter books, and these people are adults they're like people who work in basically, the government, and peace anti-government, all the people who were into Harry Potter movies. When they came out are now, my age their twenties, thirties and forties. Right. And maybe want more adult it. It's just so clear to me that JK Rollings is now a wealthy white woman from England, and she has no she has no sense of perspective on the violence of clone him, and she doesn't bring in race as a factor in into her international world because I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. God, it's. It. It's lazy storytelling because basically everyone was boring supreme uninteresting what she is. She's create this generation of people who look at the world, with empathy. I think that's kind of what APL possibility and creating characters like her mining who were born without becoming from a magical world, but she became the brightest student like having like she created. Of because of her ability and her character traits, which work. Yeah. Her view her readership in a certain now. She's peddling this bullshit that we can see through tired tro. You'll see you'll see all of the things I'm saying like, this isn't just an indigenous thing or POC thing. Yeah. Whatever it's like just a decent human being will say though, I mean, just as a student of literature, and film, I can see. And again, I do I just love to play devil's out. It's easy to fall in ten. I'm not I'm not apologizing for her whatsoever. But she when she wrote those book, she was writing books for children when she wrote this movie, she's writing a screenplay, which is maybe not her forte. She was writing a screenplay as a rich white British woman for an American audience set in nineteen twenties set in nineteen twenty s four a style of film that is purely visual that those movies are not story. This is not as Chakri. Injure, heavy mood. This is a movie that looks amazing. Be shown in three d and it's going to blow your mind, and it's a marvel movie that happens to be a Harry Potter theme. That's that's the contact. That's the context. So I think you're absolutely right. There's a major missed opportunity to to have done it correctly. But who knows what got cut by the studios who argue about she or whoever whoever had? I mean who knows an apparently there's three more movies. So she has a lot of time to re. And I think that's the thing that I'm not used to is that in the Harry Potter movies. You've got so much information in one move because it was adopting a book. Yes. A whole book. Created on her own terms. She wasn't beholden. But there was no one running the show. It was just her and it turned into this wild success. Yep. So now there are some. Not knowing facts, and we never will. Because it's Hollywood, however, just as purely a film and books are you can't mediums? You can't look at the same character development in a Hollywood blockbuster purely visual shot in three d blow your mind kind of way as you look at the most delightful Najib childhood stories that you've ever read that are still super close to your heart. That's up just devil's advocate. I agree. The agree agree with you said. Because like I needed to suspend belief certain point because there were just shit that. Yeah. Yeah. It says in the book is not possible. Really operating dog words that happens in the movie. And we're getting deep we're getting into the canon macgonagall was suddenly in her late thirties teaching at Hogwarts when she's not even supposed to be born for another eight years when you're was McDonald's venting thirty four say that it says it on the Potter more website. I'm sorry. That's not cannon. I haven't you. She wrote it it's Kenan she's like fucking around with her own shit. Now just to move plot forward. Well, she's moving pot for it. I mean, the time thing with Harry Potter is always been contentious. But again, this isn't a book that was ever gonna be. There was never gonna be a book. This is based on a book that was a book in the book. That's not even real book. It's based on a textbook animal. You know? So I think at a certain point you have to just be like, well, we're done. Shit. This was a missed opportunity to use this as a vehicle to promote these ideals these values that she has purportedly been holding her whole career whole career. And you know, and who knows what gets fucked up in Hollywood. That's the thing. There's so many obstacles, and so many bucking mediocre white men in writing. Exactly, shiny. Well, it makes it really easy for you to hate the villain. That is that's real believable. That's true. Even though that even though this the way that they're creating this villain is kind of like. It's very devil's advocate. It's like it's like he's very good at saying the right thing to really fascinating character in the buck to. Yeah. I would love to read more about his story. Like, it's all on more. I don't I I say give me a book. Other news. Website press compression hopes next year. One brothers is launching a streaming service and one of their original shows is called visiting world. And it's about the Harry Potter universe. Triscuit game show shares and it's going to be completely new characters. Cool. Oh, cool. Get the universe. So in the Harry Potter universe? But it's like other people characters call tech. Maybe it will give her an opportunity to clean up a bit for fucking mess. Yes. And referencing magic. That doesn't come from Europe as less refined and less powerful, which has done. Yes. She said that when she was when at the at the beginning of when she was starting this new university released all of this information about the wizard world America on this website, and she Harare to indigenous peoples was just a modulus. In passing and didn't reference Claudio violence at all didn't reference anything like that. It's just like. Oh, yeah. There was always magic on in North America indigenous peoples, but they were better. Better it can potions and they didn't have ones their for their charms. And spells were not as direct and not as powerful. Because they weren't like concentrated like in a magical object, which is so just bullshit because I mean, she could have done so many whatever the fuck you wanted. But again, I mean, it also could Dev that she's not writing that story. That's not her story to or tell. So how much do you want her to include on a footnote for thing that has nothing to do with the things she's actually doing she's not that expert and maybe the next the next person nation of? Yeah. It'll be better, and it will be more. She's also a British woman from you know, wherever like, she's not sixty or whatever old. She is. She's writing this war in American audience again. So this isn't a thing that she's not going to spend all that time guys. Very high. Maybe with this new TV show. They can do what a lot of shows are doing now and hiring more. Interesting more diverse. Indigenous liaise off or yeah. Attrac- did a great job just copy paste. We're gonna talk about. Yeah. I think. Buying indigenous people in the twilight series. On some violent and primitive. And anyway. Yeah. Let's not. Anyway, I'm saying she wasn't writing that store. She's she's writing the the cannon that she created an. It's better. It doesn't include that other style of magic that exists in North America. This straight up does not exist you in the place that she developed it. So. I get you. There's room for growth -absolutely in in. Maybe it's just like what I would do if I could the world that I wouldn't have it within that world. Yes. Absolutely. And that would be an incredible story. That would be an amazing, right? The fuck make sure of those fans. Or some? Already tweet netter skinned read it. Shot blocked all of the the critics all the native critics bluff. Hi, everyone. Tengible? I'm sure she doesn't even run her own Twitter at this point. Yeah. But that's what I've been thinking about that. POC which is in media and not have them be villains or victims or becoming a mixture of both. Faye? Prevalent and much is the is the witchy staff people are very interested in it. And there's a lot of ways to do it and talk about it. Because it's pretty people have known magic in different ways. Sure. For as long as it's every story from all over the world and some people don't even call it magic. They call it religion or. Or life going to be medicine? This little place called Africa. Have you heard of this? Continental that All Africa. You wanna talk talk about magic. I mean, there's probably shoot an Asia for ten thousand years to do is magic born out of colonialism in violence. Getting me the Caribbean stories the stories right itself history is is an is enough of a of a wealthy knowledge to learn from and and and pull from in writing a story. Well, writing a story where race doesn't come into. It is just irresponsible in this day and age exactly moving on your spot. I'm gonna move my soapbox over to y'all. Segue from the talking about creating. Content with a with a different type of creative power behind it. My session this week is the new Shira. Okay. Bye today. Essentially all women wrote at great wonderful. The writing room was all women. It's an effort. A lot of the directors are women. It's about a bunch of princesses a bunch of women. There's like two dudes three in the whole fucking show. Is human on it. No. But we're waiting for season two. So do you think come back, maybe they're kind of creating their own universe thing? Yeah. Because it was all it was always somebody who was in original Shiro fan from nineteen eighty five. I was sheera. Three halloweens in a row, I was fully in the sheer universe. My brother was he was also into human. But I don't think he was inhuman as much as I was into sheera? How could you be? I am sorry human does not hold fucking Kano the sheera. No, she's bucking radical. Maybe in like, I wouldn't know the maybe in the gay community a horror and no chance she was got the in the flying horse. She's got the wings and the fuck Andrew. Haired and the sewers I'm sorry human can unattainable body tie. But no this toilets the new share. It's totally reimagined. I was watching. I think my my my four year old. It's a little bit too sophisticated for her. Oh, okay. But my eight year old niece for sure. Holy be on board. And after that, I don't know if he's watching it. I'm not sure it would be taken out. But anyway, it was great. It's like, twelve episodes half hour episodes. Not even it's so cool. It's done in kind of like, a, you know, anime sort of style. I remember when I first saw the drawings of Shiro when they were just giving like what she the character would look like those Tuncay today. She's fucking buff. She's got broad shoulders must arms. She's eight feet tall. She wears shorts and boots that are flat. But you can actually like run and like people in I healed swinging your boobs around. Yeah. Like awkwardly could barely like like barely wielding. Sword giant jugs? She's amazing so cool in this new one like all the other women are like. Oh, you are pear shaped you are. You got awesome. Big powerful legs your eight feet tall. You're, you know, you're also half scorpion. You know, we don't Lord, Bo. Score pins, our listeners, we we love each and everyone of you in there. How much of a scorpion? You're and is someone who. Someone who is immediately put off by any sort of romantic plotline. I could not be less interested in any. No, it's being friends and being proud and yourselves to hood kinship. Yes. And also your self worth and what you can do an imposter syndrome and helping each other see past that and pushing goals and believing in yourself and thread, and it looks awesome. Like the like this. The visuals are so cool. I wonder if Lucy my nieces listening awesome is like yet. There's like best friends who hate each other and people hate each other and then become best, friends and. There's like three guys and they're like well one of them's like head of the horde Hornak, which is like the big surprise leader. He's the bad guy. He's got a skeleton. And the cool skeleton like caller thing that he had like skeleton. But like better. Not called skeletal. No sculptures human. Oh, yes. Our era Hornak and skeletal came from Hornak. Got interesting Hornak was the original super villain, anyway, get very deep into the heat, but also like others because Shiro was an offshoot of he man back in the race. He man came first, right? As a thing to push merchandise, right toys R numbers for Saturday morning. And they made a girl version which was painting rainbows unicorns. But they've they've kept the pink in the remote in the unicorns. But also made her back in us, an awesome, and smart, and cool, and doesn't voice who does her voice this place. Somebody someone some young girl who was on like, Disney, here's something. And like, so what's your name AJ Machaca? Oh, really has catra like her BFF turn enemy. AJ TBT. Yes. And then who else like oh shit our names or I don't know who does like lizard at home like Email, the female Bill. They were these Lorraine Toussaint. She's like a famous like African American actress. Okay. Her voice them like oh my God. It's her. She's amazing. Elliott AJ are like those pop stars from the early two thousands on Disney channel that. Definitely played between like during commercial breaks music. Video would play while you're waiting show to start like anyone twenty four to twenty seven will know what I'm talking about. So this is like why Jay's on like why TV y Jay's tide of? Yeah. Okay. But like Popstars. Like on much music or MTV, they'd play music video during the commercial break between programs that was that. She was that day. But it was Amy caro- plays sheera in a bunch of stuff you anyway. She's awesome. One of the the kids from black ish, really the sun. And he's awesome p plays like the sidekick sweet. But he's a dude. Use awesome. And like even like looking at the people there's South Asian women. Black women a Japanese woman, you know, purple prison moved the British accent somebody with an American accent. Like, it's just it's Lauren ash. Who's amazing? She's an actress comedic actress who I really enjoy. She plays the scorpion lady Scorpio because they're real like creative with the names. Anyway schools. Catra? She's part Scorpio. She's part Scorpio or scorpion. Yeah. Anyway, Mista Merman give you one guess where she's from perfume her few hours been there been there anything summer frost out. Anyway, rain. Sandra? Oh shows up. Area excited. I was trying to stay away from the IMDB to figure out the the voices for myself. But it was just like, Sandra. What's happening anyway? Great sheera? I love it Shiro. It's fantastic. And I'm hoping I I'm hoping it's going to be super autho merch that I will buy four quote the children. I wanted Shiro t shirt so badly. Very. This one this one I'm fully converted to this one. Because it just it looks cooler. Sounds cool more. It's more inclusive. It's for twenty real twenty century girls. Yeah. Very excited about it. Which you have to twenty percents girls. It's an important part of. Twenty-first-century girl. Well, my real quick and easy and dirty two weeks ago. I think ever lay my favorite only Taylor still haven't gotten jeans, I know, call out. They did a fifty dollar denim day, which think we talked about and so I got a pair of the marine right now. I've got a pair of the mid rise skinny and black and culling, which is the first time. I've never had to have a pair of jeans before miracle. They're fifty bucks. And so me, and my friend Olivia each got a paradigm shift to my sister-in-law's place in Los Angeles. And she came on. 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Lucy Wainwright Roche on Parenthood

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Lucy Wainwright Roche on Parenthood

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I had a great great pleasure of sitting down for Wainwright family part to if you remember correctly, I interviewed and had a conversation with Loudon Wainwright, the third about Tokyo story and his daughter Lucy came in today and Lucy, and I if you follow stuff, you should know, then, you know, Lucy played Jerry on the stuff, you should not show quite a task to play the unknown, Jerry and Lucy's grade. She's just one of my dear friends who I don't see often enough. But every time we see each other is just wonderful. She such a just sweet lovely wonderful, endearing kind human soul one of the greats walking around planet of everybody and not only that everybody. But she is a great singer and songwriter as she likes to. Joke and loud like the joke. It's the family business when you are Wainwright and Lucy is actually a Wayne right Roach. Because her mom says he Roach is a singer and had a group with her sisters, a three part harmony group called the roaches in the eighties. That was really really great and sort of under under sung in my opinion. Tight tight. Great three part harmonies and just comes from a really talented family of Rufus and Martha in Loudon and says he and the whole gang and Lucy's really good. She has a new album out called little beast. And as you will learn in this episode Lucy, although she's very sweet and kind person has a a an undercurrent of sadness, the just sort of courses through her body, and she pours that out enter music and right? Some some really great sad lovely songs in just has the voice of angel. And so telling it, so check out little beast for sure and go see Lucy and a town near you. Because she's always on the road everybody with her her great dog. Maybe who we talk about. And here we go. She picked parenthood, which is an a favorite of many, many people the great great, Ron Howard comedy drama. I guess you would say from nineteen eighty nine starring Steve Martin Jason Robards and Diane waste and just a whole host Canada Reeves and Martha Plumpton and just young walking Phoenix is just loaded. Tom Halse, good Lord. What a cast in this movie. And it was a lot of fun going back and rewatching that as an adult and as apparent because it's been many years in it kinda took on new meaning for me. So we had a great talk about parenthood and about growing up in as Wainwright and Roach, and what that's all about. And so here we go with Lucy, Wainwright Roach on parenthood. Listen to. Now much. I. Nothing. I was just in the orc. Yeah. But I mean, I came home on Wednesday. You were I think. And I interviewed Peter mcnerney. Uh-huh. Oh my gosh. She's the best. Yeah. We did Hedwig and the angry inch was his. So I've got to see that again. I love him. I I've seen I I seen. Julie I rewrote that script which you should read. Oh, yeah. I'd like to read it. And I saw Julie. Haven't seen anybody else. No, no Caitlin appearances. No. Although I met someone who knows her, but I've never seen her since she like came to my house for the Super Bowl. About macaroni count her. How's the relation her? I think husband's sister. Maybe a her sister-in-law listens to this show. Oh, cool. Because I was there's a lot of like Facebook interaction stuff for the show, and I saw bits agai. And of course, you know. Yeah. And it was like are you or she may have even told me I or whatever that Caitlyn on what she's up to that. Or maybe she's married. I think she's married to Caitlyn's husband's brother. Okay. So it's another kind of law. Yeah. I have never seen her again. Yeah. That's you're on Facebook. That's the only way and then nothing nothing. Really Chad still. Yeah, he's great. He's like one of my broad. So I mean, we're both really busy. So it's not a lot. Yeah. But I saw him the other day on oh, we do this thing called porch fest every year in the neighborhood. It's a music there's like two hundred porches and our neighborhood with two hundred bands. And then they're slotted different hours all day long and people just walk around in the south music. So his daughter is sixteen now grace, and she played her very first gig fed so cool with her. She's the lead singer. That's so awesome. They did like Rolling Stones and Fleetwood MAC, and so all these I haven't seen him since like, well he's had a third kid. Yeah. Yeah. Really scarlett. How old is she? She's a little older than ruby. I think so close to four. Wow. But we don't they moved from Decatur. Oh, so I don't see them as much which really stinks 'cause I love his whole family. And yeah, it'd be fun. All hang out like that. So great. But I did go by and see gracing. You know, it was you would have loved it. That's pretty awesome. Like all those first gig jitters, and it's like the total high school band, which was kind of fun. That's so cool. Think that high school is doing that at their time makes me feel good. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't get my first thirty eight. Yeah. Yeah. But you saying your whole life, but I will not I was I was. I mostly played with dolls. Most your favorite doll. Oh, all of them. I used to cut them open and two surgeries on them. And then stitch back up, which a friend of mine once in countered them in like a box years later and was alarmed right because stitched up get the horn. So what like I had your dad in here. Which was did you listen to that? By h I listen to it. Yeah. It was kind of cool. Yeah. It's very interesting that he picked like. You picked parenthood which is like the sweetest like family story ever. He picked Tokyo story. It was about this father, basically telling his children like you've all disappointed me. Well, there's some overlap there. I feel like impaired hunt. Sure. And and that, but yeah. That sounds about right. We'll get to parenthood a little bit. I was just kind of thought that was funny. Like the most somber Downer movie of. Have you seen it? No. You should watch it. Sometimes you wanna be thoroughly sad. Okay. Cool. Maybe write a song about it. All right. How's the family that good? They're good. They're all good. My sister's two kids that are big now. Eight hundred four my brothers kid is seven is a son daughter daughter. Okay. But everybody's fine. You know, like kind of the same. Yeah. How's your mom? She's good. We are about to do some shows together with my dad the three of us. Oh, cool next month, and those are always sewer fun. Interesting gearing up for those she's really into rehearsing so we're currently in. Hardcore rehearsing mode as she always been into 'rehearsing. Yes, she's a big rehearse her. I'm a little bit of a like wing. Yeah. Let's just you know, but she's not like that. So when I work with her week, we really lock in and it pays off because you know, we are very together when we play and the roaches just had those tight tight harmonies like that was kind of the thing. I think they started the rehearsing lockdown. You had to be really rehearsed to do three parts of anything. Yeah. For sure we're doing a lot of her sing. And does do all three sing together at any point? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Some will when we do show the three of us, my mom, and I do the first maybe forty five minutes, then he comes out and does forty five minutes than than we do on a gather. Yeah. And then you come back out and do some more. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And I always say that. Well, I don't always say this. But I say in my head say it in my heart. That used to be a elementary school teacher. And when you'd have the kids for the first maybe six weeks of school, and you'd be like, okay. Getting to know the kids and then parent teacher conferences, come the parents come in. And you'll be like, oh, right. Right. I understand about the children and the shows are kind of like that for me. Uh-huh. I'm there and both my parents are there. So the audience can see right. Wow. That's super interesting in a weird form of therapy. Probably maybe it's a good way to spend time with your family because you're getting paid right, man. That would make it all easier. We went on a cruise ship all together as a family, and and that I feel is the way to take a cruise is to be paid in. That was a Wainwright family singing. It's a cruise called Qaim. Oh, which is a folk music cruise mostly and actually has a subtitle. It's called KM. Oh, a journey through song. So glad at least, you know, how events took a journey through song together. And Emily Harris was there. Oh, let you Thomson and brandy Carlisle lot of people go, and then they're like three thousand audience members on the boat. Right. Rub elbows. Yeah. But you had already done with the we talked about the train thing that train thing. This is like a a step up because you can't really can't get away 'cause you're in the middle of the ocean. So we raise the stakes and also my sister came which she hadn't been able to come to Alaska. So she came on the boat played. Yep. What about have you ever been on a cruise only then? Yeah. I did one a work crews to did the mex- von cruise which was comedians and performers and I did attributing with Hodgman was good. Well, I had a lot of fun because the people were awesome like Jean Merman and Nick foon in white cynic. And Hodgman and John Rodrick. And like a lot of my pals were there, and we just had a blast. But I can't say that. I would enjoy a cruise other than that. Yeah. I found myself wondering without the music, right? Would you be doing? I mean, those pools gross me out. Yeah. 'cause there's like a thousand people trying to get in them. Yeah. Most of the stuff is grosses me out the food the way I described it was 'cause Emily was what's it like because we're not cruisers. I said it's like someone took a a tall building that was a shopping mall and tipped it on its side and shoved it out to sea. They should really put them at. I was not into it. Imagine like in Alaska cruise might be a little more fun. There was something cool about being out in the open ocean. Like that I had one moment at night like that. We're bunch of us went up to the top deck, and I had never been out to sea. So I was like, well, this is kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah. And that that's the thing about my job that I like that you probably encounter to is like, I probably would never ever ever taken a cruise run, my whole, I know same then I ended up doing it for work. And I'm glad because now I know so much about it. But have so many feelings about it and same thing with other just or even visiting places multiple times if I just had maybe like a two week vacation to choose a place to go. I probably wouldn't go back again. And again to like. Princeton Illinois rise ample. Yeah. Did you just do a show there? I have done a couple, but it's not really the kind of place. You would vacation normally. But I like that you get to go right as it's like cool. Yeah. The world that way. Yeah. We've done some shows like I'm always pushing to do shows in places. We haven't been yet. Like, we always go back to Seattle and Portland in Boston in DC in sort of the cities that are really good for us. But we've been I've been trying to knock off some of the, you know, fly over states as they say, so we went to Lawrence Kansas line love Lawrence kit was rate. It's so good town really reminded me of being an Athens, and like Saint Louis was cool. And have you done Iowa City? No. We haven't been to Iowa. Yeah. Yeah city. That's good one. We just went to Salt Lake City, and they were great. Yeah. Like, they were one of the best crowds. We've ever had that's far as through zero goes. Yeah. And they weren't even drinking even better drive. They must have really liked you then and then we did Salt Lake City. And Phoenix we do like two shows at a time not hard. That's cool. It's not like grueling touring. Yeah. It's good to get off the regular big city. But you drive around. Right. I spend most of my time in the car. Yeah. House maybe she's so good. She here. No, okay. She was here. And I was like man if she didn't bring that dog I flew here. So she she used to fly when I worked with you guys, and she was a teeny tiny, puppy I flew back and forth. But now she's too big. Then you haven't gotten the designation is the the comfort animal or whatever. I may have. But I feel I will you in order to. Okay. Well, I don't know at work. Okay. In order to get a motion service animal in the past. You have to take a psychological test to see if your brew that you'd be well enough, which I've passed passed in which way unwell for sure. Yeah. And then they send you a psychiatrist letter saying you need your dog. So I did that. But I feel too guilty to use it really it just feels. I mean, I I have used it a couple of times like if I'm driving late at night. And I can't find a hotel that allows dogs, but we need a place to stay. I've done it with that. But some people I know have flown with their dogs and stuff, and I would love to do that. But I just feel like if anyone questioned me I would just burst into tears and be like, I'm sorry. I shouldn't be taking my down on the plane, which may. I need the dog. Good doll. Yeah. I mean, people you definitely see people that are clearly sort of taking advantage of that. Yeah. Designation or maybe not. Yeah. I don't want to judge. I don't either. But they certainly look like I just wanted to bring my dog. Yeah. Which I totally get. Yeah. Yeah. I love touring with maybe. She's so good. Yeah. She she. She's very very I got so lucky. Uh-huh. Because she can be left in hotel room without ruining anything. She can be left backstage anywhere. She just she's so exceedingly lazy that she just lies down and does nothing during anything. She's perfect for going on the road. And I could have so easily ended up with a dog who I just couldn't. Yes. She was kinda made to be your little, buddy. Yeah. She's so great for those of you listening Lucy as a dog that she got while she was working on our TV show. And I think one of our warden guestroom the wardrobe purse. Yes, she found this dog like in the parking lot in the parking lot of a I think is there. Something called the big chicken. That's an Atlanta thing. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There's a it's a Kentucky Fried Chicken Marietta that has this giant. It's an old school KFC that has a thirty foot chicken. And it's a bit known as the big chicken where maybe was found. Really? Yeah. In the parking lot by. Yeah. I back there and visit like a little pilgrimage chicken you'd be disappointed. She doesn't remember. I don't think she's so good. She was teeny tiny then shoes. Like, three months old. Yeah. And she was like fifteen pounds now. She's fifty pounds. I remember. There was so much consternation about whether you should keep this dog, and you really had a hard time. And I was just right next to keep the talk. You should keep the dog. 'cause I just wanted to come to set everyday totally. She was so good. She was so teeny tiny and she's still so good. And she. Yeah. I lived in apartment that didn't allow dogs at the time. So I for the first few weeks I had to bring her in out of the apartment in a bag. That's right. So she learned that the bag was like the portal to getting to P. Uh-huh. So if she had to Pete she would go in put her body halfway in the bag like I need to go down stairs. And then I moved. Yes. Now, she's allowed where do you live? Now. You're in Brooklyn still. Yeah. In Clinton hill window. Yeah. We'll tell me about growing up a a Wayne. Right. Well, what was that? Like, it was it was pretty good. Yeah. Nothing. Yeah. It was. Well, I grew up mostly with my mom by myself. And so I was really in the seat of the Roach family a lot with my aunts, and my mom. Yeah. They were touring a lot, and I was touring with them a lot. And so they were kind of my early. Early childhood union apple that I was with most of the time. And then my dad lived in England when I was really little, but then he he came back to the states and. But I would say as a dull tes, oh, we definitely knew each other. Well, as when I was a kid, but as Dulce we've spent a lot more time together than we did when I was a kid, right? So it wasn't like when you're a little kid. It was you in mom and dad and Martha and Rufus all like, you know, every day hanging out. No, it was Martha Rufus were up in Canada with their mom. We have kind of a good setup in the family. It's like everybody has their own mom almost like a younger sister has her own mom, and then I have my own mom, and then Martha Rufus they they had to share your debts, the fulcrum, and it's cool. Because like, you know, that's to get your mom. Yeah. Yeah. Cut my mom. And so, yeah, they were up in Canada with their mom, and I was with my mom in New York. And we all the kids were together for holidays sometimes summers and with my dad, and but my dad, and my mom were very close always throughout my life. So that's great. Hang out a lot. Yeah. That's that's good. I wonder what that's like. They I was never bummed about my parents not being together. I think because like seemed like will this seems good right? Like, I was hanging out with my mom. I like that. And then my dad came around, and we'd all go out to dinner and fine. And no one was stressed out. Really good. Yeah. You grow up in New York, though. Right. Yeah. In Greenwich Village. Wow. The best place in the world is pretty great. Although it's kind of like a fancy mall right now. Like what area like bleaker street used to be pretty interesting? You know, good, Dr stores and. And now it's like all a Mark Jacobs ad really stores that are very very expensive. But John's pizzas still there. What really counts? Yeah. Because that's where I used to go for my birthday parties. And if you are ever in New York, you should go to John's pizza on bleaker street and so good. There's some place in the village. I think it was near the school that you taught at didn't teach over there or maybe went through the same went to couple of schools. That was the best eggrolls. I've ever had was a little Chinese place kind of over near there. I think I wonder where it was. And I will go down there because I mean for me, an egg roll is got to be very specific kind of girl like the big huge dimply wins. Okay. Not the more spring roll types. Right. Right. Right. Like, the little cheap girls. Yeah. The look on your face says, not those. Like the big big daddy girls. Well to take me there. Next time you come to down. I will feel like you're never there when I'm there never there is the problem where does maybe stay when you're gone. She stays with my mom, sometimes or we have sort of patchwork collection of people who take care of her or she comes with me. So she's very she has many different New York City apartments, very malleable, though, she always has been feel this house that house this person that person. That's good. Yeah. And got many mothers. Whereas we all had our own mother. She's got so many mothers. She's just like a can't with all these mothers, no dad's not that. If taken on her full care. She has my stepdad Stewart did you ever meet Stewart think so he and my mom lived together. And she loves him. Maybe stays with them. I feel like your mom's. Old dog has passed. Right. She did. Yeah. Yeah. Friend here that friendy. She for example, could not have gone on the road ever. Yeah. She was every time you get in the car. She just stress breathe. Maybe I'm seems to always be sort of chilling with that one ear up. Yep. So t's Chilin, which means also she won't do anything when you take her to the park. She sits down. Really? Yeah. Looks at other dogs. Like, it's I know you must really like to come here. Does she get along with other dogs? Yeah. She's a little bit on the doggie spectrum perhaps like she she doesn't fight with other dogs. But she's kind of like what dogs in right? They come around her. And they're like, let's plan. She's like, I don't understand what you what you could possibly mean. Our our dog Lucy who passed away longtime ago, pre pre knowing you which is to say that we did not name her dog after you. What I would think Lucy Emily's to say that Lucy's not a dog person. Yeah. Because she was sort of the same way. She like eventually would fight when dogs would corner her. Yeah. But she generally just wasn't like didn't know how to play. Yeah. When the dogs come to smell her. But she sits down. Oh, she's like, no, thanks. That's enough. Thank you. Well, that might be the proper react cat. It's her. It's her right? Isn't it? How did movies in like stuff like that play a part in your early life? Like your dad was acting. And did you ever like go to set? Did you think that was cool or was it just normal? He wasn't in. He really started to be a more movies when I was like in high school in college. And I did go to set when he was he was on the TV show undeclared. Yeah. Yeah. Love that. I went to that set. And that was really cool. That was the first time I've been to a set. And then the next time was probably when we did our show, right? Which was so fun too. But yeah, so he, and my mom was in a movie when I was really little I actually thought about choosing that movie crossing Delancey, your mom was in no way. Yes. She plays. I think I know that Amy Irving Aamir van. Yeah. He likes she's trying to get set up with the pickle man on the Lower East Side, and Amy Irving tries to pawn off the date on her friend. And that's my mom, really. I believe her character's name is Maryland. And so I remember going to the movie theater to see my mom in that movie. Yeah. And that was weird. Uh-huh. Because you were a kid. I was like six or seven was like, this is confusing. Then my dad was in more. So Phan, I was older. And that's just been really fun. You know, he I love that. Because he loves to do that. Yeah. He seemed like he likes it. And so it's just an he he's funny, and it's fun to see him in things. But it is odd to see people, you know, in movies. Don't you think? Yeah. It's hard to a little bit from that. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know a ton of actor actors just a handful here and there. Yeah. But it is always a little weird. Yeah. And I was really into going to the video store kid and in the summer getting to the video store and video bleaker street, videos, and then. But I would get the same video over and over and over like incessantly and parenthood is one of those videos that I watched over and over and over and over as a little kid, and there were other ones too like. Really stellar choices like big business with lily Tomlin and Bette midler where they are two sets of twins are switched at birth. And they get one lily Tomlin and one but midler each play dual roles, and then they meet. Wow, there are so different. You know, I love lily Tomlin presidency that and Bette midler. I haven't watched it since I was a kid, but I'd be curious to see how it holds up. That's kind of like this movie. I hadn't watched it in a long time. Yeah. Did you watch it? Yeah. For this. Oh, good. But there are lines from parenthood that I like here in my head constantly because I watched so much. 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And I just don't think I remember it being that old what was in the mid nineties or something. Yeah. It was. I was pretty little when I got into this movie. And which is very funny kind of. Yes, we right. Right. I was thinking watching it like this. I don't know. Whether this has shaped part of who I am. Or if it says something about who. I am that I liked it so much. I think that. Yeah. Yeah. Emily watch. Remember, the thirty something gosh, I loved thirty. Yeah. She and her friend with like obsessed over that in high school, and it's just so funny. I think I think especially with young with girls and young women. There's a little bit of a play adult or fantasize about being older. Yeah. Because like every like woman, I talked to when they were like middle school aged watch things like thirty something, and these sort of grown up shows and movies. Yeah. Thirty something. I was a little younger when that when that was on my mom, let me watch that this kid named Rebecca Yama who I didn't. She was a kid in my class. And I don't know. Maybe she listens to this podcast, but she wants came over for a play date. And I remember that I made her play thirty something. Really? Yeah. We're gonna play thirty remember that. She was maybe a little bit not totally on board. But we did it. Acted out the characters. I mean, I was like, okay. Now, you're the dad and also the sister. Also, we've just got some really bad news. Timothy bus, Phil. So I loved thirty something. But yeah parenthood I think is sort of in the same. Yes. Not a kids movie. No. In fact, I thought of it. I watched it so much as a kid that I remember when my younger sister was small my dad and her mom were asking for ideas of movies that they could all watch together. And I was like parenthood. You should totally watch parenthood. And they called the next day. My dad was like that was not. Turn that off. A few things there are. But I think a lot I missed a lot of them sanitized. But yeah, I imagine you didn't understand like may be because it wasn't so explicit with like the and your buddy Martha plantains in it. I know I know it's so again in that because I I didn't know her then, but I've come to be good friends with her. So so you guys got to be friends later way later. Yeah. Just like maybe ten or eleven years ago. Okay. And so it's fun to go back and see her in that movie 'cause she's so young. Yeah. Does she know that you love hearing hood? I don't think so. I will and little Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah. Which was crazy. I just love all the people in it. I asked us so good. And you, and I think when I was a kid one of the highlights of it was that it ends with a lot of babies is really into babies so anything with babies. Yes. A cool. But and then I also think. It's so much like the things that I like the best funny and sad dark like the. The sadness of regular life, which I'm pretty into. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. But you sure are. I really. I know. And it kinda didn't surprise me at all when you pick this 'cause I was really curious because anytime somebody who's like a really good friend of mine, Mike, I wonder what they're gonna pick. It felt a little feels a little like like a very. Exposed thing to pick a movie because when someone asks about music, and you're like God, I want to say something that like encompasses my whole self and shows you that I'm right? But I just went with my gut. I was like I love that movie. I wanna watch it again. So no, that's what the show is about to like most of the picks have been like die hard, or you know, back to the future. It's like, it's not some high mind. Your dad took you story is probably about his art houses. We've got to get serious bring him in. But that was legit you dad's favorite totally wasn't like, well, let me be impressive. No, which is interesting because the sadness in that movie. Really like he was really into that too. Yeah. So I wonder if that's a little bit, and your mom is seems like I might be wrong. But when I've been around her she seems like a really kind of happy type person. No. I mean, she can go over some sadness. Yeah. But I don't think that she wall of in the same way as I do got you. But yeah, it's funny 'cause my dad's work a lot of his songs, and some of his most amazing songs are about familial relationships and families and stuff, and I don't know if you ever saw parenthood in it, certainly not his kind of thing, but they do feel like it. Does it does touch on some of the same things that he's trying to say work, just the the difficulty of your family, and how and how much you love there is there in how much pain there is there? Yeah. And how ridiculous everybody is. Yeah. In thought that like I mean, I love this movie, and I hadn't seen it in a long time. And they really did a great job of weaving together, so many different storylines, and and it never came across like, you know, they dealt with like. Younger kids having sex in the youngest like little Joaquin Phoenix having porn and an interracial relationships and growing old with someone and cheating and leaving someone and the Tom host character. Disappointing someone and then the Jason Robards were so many different character types. But it never felt like like, oh, you know. We're just putting this in there. Because we we don't have this kind of character totally felt believable. I mean, it's in the kind of John RA that it is so not like total realism. But like, yeah, I could see how these characters are family, and that's on life. It is real like you might have one kid that has has some emotional issues and is trying to work things out in another kid who's ramming his head into the wall constantly in their cousin might be little future Mensa member. Like, none of it felt false totally part. Where the the little kid is banging head up against the wall is one of the moment in the movie that I used to reference lot and. Member telling my mom like when I was little little kid like it's so funny. And then he's banging on the wall. And then then the other kid says looks at him and says I and I'm the one in there. And I remember my mom saying why is it that you think that so funny like she was trying to find out like what was wrong me. Right. Yeah. I loved it. And I love the the grandmothers character. Yes. And the moment when she talks about her ups and downs in the roller coaster too. Yeah. I just I love I love all them. Well, and it was a very sweet line when she talks about the she prefers the roller coaster to the merry go round. But it, and it was could have been like a surpise sweet movie moment, but then right afterwards. Steve Martin kind of makes fun of it. Yeah. And that really takes the piss out of it. I think totally in like the perfect way if grandma so smart why she's sitting in the navy? On the line with Kevin at the end when he said, I'm the one in therapy. I mean, it's a cute little line. But what that means is that like it's showing him fully coming around to sort of accepting and even making a little joke. Yeah. He's in therapy, which because you want I mean poor little cabin. I know retainer now that's one of the worst scene is so hard harrowing where he that. Like, what are they at Shuki cheese or something like that? He lives his retainer. And he flips out. He's really good. When he like, it's so yeah. Like stressful. Yeah. And like any he's causing a scene. And then the parents are like Steve Martin's trying to stop the scene, and it's too. So real like think everyone even if you don't have kids you've been a kid and been in families that like you've been in the situations. Yeah. So sad. It was so great. So great. And even the kid in the very beginning. Who plays young Steve Martin talking to assure the baseball game. Great. Yeah. Yeah. They're all really good. I feel like it's shows. It says a lot about relationships like the how much room there is for total dysfunction in the in the kind of affection of it. Yes. Yeah. And of course, the Steve Martin's dad's character of man, he's not very nice. No. But it was that was sort of like necessary because those were a lot of the dads or grandad's, and Jason Robards is just I mean, so good. Yeah. I was always such a big fan of his. Yeah. So sad when he died, and then the, you know, Tom halts is so good gosh. As the the black sheep who sort of one of my favorite parts of the actually when dilemma flies around the corner, the wet caddy or whatever and dumps him out. He just gets up. And he's like, oh, yeah. Just some Frinta just drop me off Jason a friends usually stop slow down even stop the car. Yeah. That's such a good moment. And then his kid cool to the saddest little boy. So cute. Stories the mom shot somebody and had to leave town or something. Yeah. Yeah. Because they were doing Elvis on ice together. There's so many jokes like funny jokes, really, really funny. And and and then the Martha Plumpton Keanu Reeves story lines is great to just the people in the movie every single person is like so compelling. The cast is his. At all. I think really well like that was pretty daunting to have that many characters. Yeah. And storylines. But yeah, their relationship was just so real and teen angsty, and like, I'm just so in love, you know. Yeah. Like, it hurts to they're so in love, and you know, they're not gonna last and even the end dying. We s- is like, yeah. Give it fifty fifty. I know I love that about the movie so much gray area. Yeah. Like, it's. So it could be one of those movies that like everything ties up in a bow. Yeah. But it isn't. Thank goodness. No. I mean, there were some satisfying resolutions. Yeah. Like, the babies all the babies they have. And well, we'll get the intimate, but the Diane we Scherzer love her love love love her and Mary Steenburgen like in real life like versa, both of them. And the character dining Scherzer to have in it all comes around. But having the two children, especially Gary the little walking like that's every parent's worst. Nightmare is to lose your children lose that connection to whether it's just nothing there, and I hadn't seen that movie since I had a kid at all. And that's like, that's my worst nightmare. So not like have my little buddy like forever, and for there to be a time where she's like, I want anything to do with you. Yeah. And I'm just like I can't even think about that. I get like sad. And even his his character is not. That straight up like, I'm a teenager, whatever. Mom, he's sadder than that. He's so much sadder than that. And so much lonelier than that. And when he comes to life, and and is happier. Kiana Reeves cuts his hair. She cuts his hair all they all want to get the haircut or whatever. And he smiles for the first time. So great because I mean, he said because he's a kid of broken family. Yeah. And has a father that doesn't want anything to do with them. Yeah. So that's how that's how kids react. Yeah. This is so real again. No, I love all of them. What are some of your and Rick moranis forgotten? Gosh that whole part to where they've got the little girl whose. Yeah. Smart thing. Trained smarter nine eleven moment. When he wants to get back together with his wife, and he comes into the classroom. She's teaching and he sings to her. That's very sweet. Yeah. There's so many awkward uncomfortable moments to like when the the black sheep brother comes in comes home are all sort of like, hey, yeah. Yeah. And you can just feel it you know, it right away. Exactly. What the whole situation. How the mom feels how the dad siblings feel? I love it. Yeah. And I think everyone's been in situations like that and their own families. Whether it's the weird cousin who shows up in everyone. You know, just like, okay. Yeah. But then you get a little older in the weird cousins, probably normal. Yeah. You know, Tom hall to me he had a cambering problem. Yeah. He did. He was having. Yeah. Right. Because then of course, the dad has told Steve Martin he never should've had four kids that scene was tough. And then Steve Martin knows that his wife is pregnant with their fourth. Yes, sheild. Yeah. I made a note because at the very beginning when with young Gil that seems really funny, but he says something about I'm thirty five now, and I'm forty seven and I was just like oh my God. Me has filled years. Older scared me to the same bought? I I was like, wait a minute. Yeah. He was like grown-up daddy ages like how Steve Martin when he played. Did you find out, but he was probably under the me grace? Ooh per early. Yeah. So he was gray in this twenties. Yeah. So he's not the best. You know, personal get right? I was alarmed by that moment as well. And I also learned a new word when I was a kid that word amalgam that he explains. Oh, yeah. He said gone onto like every time I've ever said that word I've thought of that scene in parent who really. That was really buddy at a couple of favorite lines picked out here to. Oh, when when Diane we finds the naked pictures. She says Martha goes, it's just for fun. Mom, and she says while I'm glad it's not a job. That scene where she's looking at the naked pictures and reacting like, oh, this one's for the fridge. Really, really good. Yeah. And then she goes, oh, here's one for my wallet later onto man. So funny. How was she supposed to be in that? Are they supposed to be teenagers? I guess so she must be supposed to be like seventeen or sixteen. Yeah. It's kinda hard to tell her hair was so bad at the beginning. She's so young. And and great. I mean, I just yes, she was great in in this and. Yeah. I mean, this is only a few years after goonies, really. Yeah. That was probably eighty five or something. I have to confess. I've never seen that what I know. Oh, my Lord. I know how'd you manage the miss that one? You know, I have some weird cultural gaps in my past. I never saw. Star wars. I never saw keep going. Dirty dancing. Okay. Well, my mom says AT is the first movie she ever took me to in the theater, but I looked up when it came out, and that seems impossible that you saw ET. I mean, I was six months old when I can't imagine that she took me to it. But maybe she did who knows. But I think they may have done it like a release of that too. So that's awesome. Me it ran for awhile. So you didn't see Jody dancing. Didn't see Star Wars. Didn't go knees. Right. What else what other biggies? Can you think of? I didn't see oh this happens all the time where where things come up and everybody in the room record, scratches. What's wrong with you? Where have you been gosh? Now, I'm blanking tartar member. Things you haven't experienced sometimes the you know, it's not too late. I guess I was like up with you. It's really Emily's favorite. Maybe. Okay. Maybe like come over some next time. You come to Atlanta. We'll have to. Yeah. I know that people I've learned to kind of cover for my cultural gaps. So like, I've kind of got your. Yeah. Some of the Star Wars lingo like I'm like, okay, they're talking about Star Wars. In fact, I had like a. A weird quasi romantic interaction. Once that was over Instagram message. And I was really thrown off by one of the persons responses something in the nice showed it to someone else after I had responded like clueless Li like, I don't know like this person. I forget what it wasn't xactly. It was. Oh, I said something like. You're my favorite. And the person said, I know. Okay. I was like what is confusing, and then I showed it to someone else. They're like that's a Star Wars reference. I know because oh, she says I love, you know. So I like I have to brush up on my things because you never know when somebody might be like making, pretty obscure. But like didn't even jump to my mind immediately. That makes me feel better. Did you see have you seen? None of the Star Wars ever. No. None never, you know. I'm going to give you a pass on that. Because it didn't surprise me. You're not you wouldn't. That's not your thing. Probably not. I mean, do they have a lot of familial angst? Well, yeah. But actually there is a lot of. Had another really funny line into your. I like the Bartman Patty the little girl. Rick moranis kid is looking at the flash cards that have the dots on them and she threats out whether some crazy numbers and then his kid Steve Martin's good picks up the cardboard thing. And and they're like see, you know, he could be just as smart, and then they cut back to the kidneys eating yard. Right. And says slowdown just get you some dip. Well, he always handles it. So well like you can tell about like behind the scenes with with his wife. He kinda lets out how much some of that stuff bothersome. But he doesn't let like his brother-in-law. He that which is good. Yeah. Yeah. And they there was it's hard to have kids in movies. Yeah. And it can go really wrong if they're to act the and precocious, it's totally pulled it off. I feel like kids the set of kids. Yeah. For real. Yeah. I mean, a couple of best scenes in the movie to me that even like you have a cold dead heart. If you don't be can't watch the cowboy Gill and not like just smile from irr-. It's one of the great movie scene. So really, you know. Like the retainer scene. It's so awful. Yeah. When when it looks like it's going wrong kid's birthday party is going wrong. And it's like no this is not what Kevin needs right now. No. And then it doesn't seem like there's any way that seemed Martin could possibly, but he does not again, not in like, a, you know, it's it's ridiculous enough that it's totally like, yeah. Okay. I'm with you the way it plays out to they. I think they're smart enough to wear. He didn't rush out there. And everyone was like. Yeah. Right. Like he had to win them. And he started off in there. Like, this is lame. Yes. He talks about the bullet hole being bigger and bigger. And then he's like these are kids. Yeah. He talks about slipping around and the guts and like. Yeah. It's so good. Yeah. In the writing way in the horse and falling off it was and then popping backup over the head. Yeah. It's just like such a great moment. And then even afterwards when he's talking to his wife about it. And. It hasn't. It hasn't like quenched his worry about anything. But what next advantage? What are we going to do? And I think that's what it's like to be grown up. Yeah. I'm a Ray of sunshine. What can I know? No. You know, like just he just is like he's like, yeah. I did that and it went well. But like, what are we gonna do for these kids and make sure that they're okay? And he's like happiness is fleeting forever. Totally. I wanna t shirt that says you pretty good. Tell us the naval Lucy Wainwright album. Yeah. It could just be even called sadnesses forever. That's pretty good. Yeah. I like it. And then the other seen to that. Like again, you have a cold dead heart. If you're not like at least a little teary eyed is the baseball scene when Kevin finally like catch us at all. Yeah. Reactions. It's so great that little move. He does is just like does that. Sweet love there are so many for some reason it's it's funny and genuinely funny enough to get away with the cheesiness of it like where things go, right? Yeah. And like when Diane we Scherzer has that boyfriend biology teacher. Yes. And she says she Peden afield Woodstock just the moments where people get when something goes, right? Are totally enjoyable. Yeah. Because it's not because it's also like everything is said awful. Yeah. And it you need sort of like. Sometimes you need to see something kinda sugary sweet like that. Yeah. You know, it is rough in real IRL. Yeah. I wonder if people generally experienced this movie as like. As sad as I do like, I mean, it's not I also think it's funny. But the reason I love it is because it has sort of like an undercurrent of. No, I totally agree. And I think a lot of people may not like, I think when people think oh parenthood they remember cowboy gale and hitting the head on the the kid ramming his head into kings, and all the sort of kind of silly jokes and not like all the pathos underneath all these characters. Yeah. I think it's it says something that I loved that movie as a kid, but when I watched as an adult, so I'm thirty six now. And I I felt like, yeah, they're totally hitting on like adult stuff. Like, it wasn't like I was like oh my God. Like, I thought like it's I totally get what they're getting when Royal Tenenbaums came out, another one of my favorite family, family movies, family, depiction movies, haven't seen it. Lucy. If you ever seen a Wes Anderson movie. I'm not sure. Treasures, some others. Rushmore? No. Royal Tenenbaums bottle rocket. No, the d'argent logic. No life aquatic, dodging Darjeeling limited. I wanna go with no. What was the one with the you haven't seen any of them? All right. You'd like you'd like Royal tannenbaums. Really? It's another good movie about families that has it said underbelly four. Sure. Okay. Cool. The log line for that movie. Or maybe on the poster something on never forget. It was so good. It was family isn't a word. It's a sentence. I was like, man. Yeah. That's deep. That's good. That's the repeal. I haven't seen Royal tannenbaums or any. Let's Anderson movie. Yeah. We've only just begun to scratch the surface of what's missing from my. You know, what's funny is my the little mini episodes to Monday with my co host knoll who's usually over there. And I I make fun of him all the time for the things he hasn't seen. So I did a little game called Knowles holes where pixel I twenty movies from across a range of generations. And but all really popular, and he kinda got pissed off about it would just kind of funny. But I think he saw eleven out of the twenty because we had a bet they would be over under fifty percent. So he just eked by just eat by. I could probably but really well slash poorly at Knowles holes. If you played it with me, I just thought of another one Titanic I didn't see that or Romeo and Juliet with Claire Danes. I didn't see that either. You get a pass on that one Titanic. That was just so like big it's hard to imagine you avoiding that well Romeo and Juliet when I was in high school was. Like that all of the girls had seen so about thing. Yeah. I should have seen. But I don't know what happened. But you've probably seen the seventies. Or the sixties version? Right. I bet. Romeo. Juliet, maybe. No, no, no. They usually show that school. I was too busy watching thirty something right over and over and over or parenthood number. Let me see what else I have here. I think that's it grandma with the the helium tank. I mean, it's so goofy. But like why not she's so good? She was wonderful. You got anything else on parenthood? Well, we didn't talk about the end end. Really we danced around it that great bit of misdirection when the baby scene, you think it's Mary Steenburgen. Right. And then you think well, no, maybe it was Martha. Yeah. But then the big reveal I know right as a late in life. Yes. Baby. From the biology trend, Diane we I know it's pretty good. It's great. It's so great everywhere. And it's just kids and babies everywhere. And that's a really wonderful. I am still totally sold on that. I think that was my idea of every movie every happy movie, I know that like Shakespeare supposed to end with a wedding. I don't care about that. How about a bunch of babies that seems good? I miss having a baby. Yeah. I get why people have more babies because you miss babies. Yeah. Yeah. And you get a little bit out of it. And you're like have whatever three year old, man. I'm as babies. Yeah. Totally have to stop myself when I see babies from touching them. Yeah. Yeah. You should not do that. But I want to have like a hat that says I'm a dad like babies, not a creek. Right. Well, when I was a kid, but your baby's foot exactly was a kid. I could get away with that. I sometimes that my mom shows. I would go out in the audience, and if somebody had a baby would like hang out with them and get them to give me the baby. So then I'd like walk around the whole night with the baby is a thing that I used to do. But it doesn't work when you're an adult. It seems dangerous and scary when you're an adult you could get away with it. Your lady you got a sweet face to be real real careful. Yeah. Well, true. Yeah. But it's. They're like Ryan. Well, if I had a baby I'd let you touch it. Okay. Yeah. And this babies, they're fun and people that kids in babies, I mean, I get it. It's if that's your thing. Yeah. But like I'm always like you were a kid once. Yeah. I mean, they're they're. But they're also great. Yeah. I mean, it's a challenge to be sure. Yeah. And you know, maybe I didn't love everyone else's kid before. I had a kid. Yeah. So maybe that's part of endlessly. Interesting. I think and used to when I was a teacher. I think that's part of what so magical about that job is just like array of people that you're dealing with in that intimate way. These a class full of people who are just so fully themselves. Yeah. And there's no. I don't know the correct, psychological terms. But there's just no pretension about any thing. It's just raw human beings enrolling human nature and personality before they know, you know, it's it's what sucks is is to see little bits of innocence being lost along the way. It's the saddest thing to see like even little things like the first up true upsets. And that's the worst thing is that go from these perfect little pure beings. And then you just that gets chipped away. As you grow older and older. That's the log line of parenthood. Yeah, I've seriously. And yeah, I was putting my niece bed a couple years ago. And I don't see her that much because she lives in LA, and I live in New York. And so she was milking it, you know, I'd read like twelve books song. Totally. I have terrible boundaries. And so she was really getting a lot for money. And so I I finally said like, hey, why don't you sing yourself a song? I'm just going to go out in the other room with the adults good night. And she said fine. But I'm gonna sing a song about a sad human. And it's like, yeah. Well, welcome to the family. So we do here. Tomorrow. That's so funny, and how old at the time is probably three almost four now. She's seven she's big now. That's so funny. Yeah. Rubio's start to you just get more clued in or she does things and like little things like I was mad this morning because my stupid, I was in a hurry, and like the gate didn't shut and I had to get out and go do it. And I was just like yeah outside and she went daddy. Were you frustrated? Oh, I was. And she said why was like it's fine. I'm just in hurrying chew. It we frustrated because the gate didn't close. She's like, yes. I was she's like, I didn't miss. Well, part of it too is teaching future. Adults like to embrace all those feelings. Try my best to not say don't cry. You know, might cry. It's fine. Yeah. It's okay. To be sad. Yeah. And that's what this movie maybe has to say. Yeah. So like all the emotions are here. Yeah. And even though they end on a high note, a baby filled high note, we can assume that things are gonna go down downhill again shortly even later that day like that's the whole movie is like, it's a grandmother roller coaster thing. Like, I wonder parenthood the movie ten years later like cannery and Martha totally divorced. Totally probably like a couple of kids. Yeah. Who knows little Joaquin little Gary is truly on the straight narrow it. Guess it depends on if the biology teacher stuck around. Yeah. Which you're looking at the kind of set you up to think that there have a good thing going. And the the grandparents are probably gone. They're gone in version two. Jaffer to mom, I be around. But she didn't really have much of a part in this didn't. But but that said so much to sure to kind of wife, the kind of marriage that she was in like that. And how he's kind of taking shots at are all the time. But she doesn't say anything. Yeah. It was. He wasn't nice to his wife. No, no, not not nice to hit her mother either grandma now. And I thought Steve Martin the way he handled that situation was so real like didn't show a lot of outward anger at his dad for being a shitty dad was just sort of like he's gotta be around and I'll tolerate it. But he did have that one good moment where Jason Robards. I mean, he's such a lovable guy and he played such a Dicken this. But when he saying like Kevin that kid, he's you know, he's no bigger than you. Are you should blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and finally Steve Martin snapped. And so I could shut up data. What are we said? Yeah. But I was so glad for that moment. Totally. It's like somebody tell him to shut the fuck up. Yeah. Because he doesn't he needed to be really yelled at because of course, earlier in the movie they have the thing where he's like who's wedding. Do they get drunk and Steve Martin's like all three debt? Yeah. Yeah. Which flies right past Jason parts. He doesn't care, you know. But he needed to his place there at the end, and and the sadness to of cool. Oh, Cohen Tom Holtz is basically setting up like the next thing. And he's leaving and fucking forgets about his son. His Jason Robards is like, and what about cool, and he was like. Oh, right. Right. Isn't that was so depressing? I know and cool is so cute. I now face and already has such a like is behind the eight ball in life because of his messed up dad, and then I guess is staying with his super messed up Granddad. So yeah, things are really going to go great for all of them. But they all seem happy in the hospital. All those babies and everything was fine and cut, and we don't we don't see what happens. Did you watch the TV show at all? No. Is it are they the same idea? I was gonna ask, you know. I mean, I'm sure it is probably right. I don't know. I I don't know. I think in a way I was afraid to ever. No. I don't wanna see it look at it. Because because I love this one so much like, oh, I don't know what they've done with it really aren't enough babies in it. And they made it so many years later to which is weird. Yeah. Yeah. Out the check it out. Hey, movie Crushers. Are you a true crime fan than you should check out hell and gone to show that I execute it produced I was very much hands off because the team over at school of humans. My old pals put this together with Catherine town, CIN private investigator who walks us through the story of cold case in Arkansas and the Ozarks from two thousand four the murder of a twenty two year old college student named Rebecca Gould, it's very sad. Catherine is actually from this town. So she brought this project to us and said, you know, this cold case sitting out there. I don't think they want it solved. And I think this killer is walking around this small town. And I think a lot of people know who did it. It's called Helen gone. Very unique true crime podcast in the space. We're very proud to put it out. So you can check it out. Every Wednesday may explore new leads knock on new doors and investigate every angle every potential suspect. And you can listen and subscribe to Helen gone, apple podcast or on the. Iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. All right, Lucy. So we finished with a couple of segments. What Ebert said? Is a complete disappointment. He gave it four stars. Is that Roger Ebert? How many can you get four? Oh, great. Yeah. He got out of four. One. Your. Ron Howard's parenthood is a delicate balancing between comedy and truth. A movie that contains a lot of laughter and yet is more concerned with character than punch lines to best kind of comedy. But we recognize the truth of what's happening, even while we're smiling, and where we eventually knowledge that there is a truth in comedy series drama can never quite reach. What enjoyed most about the movie the way so many scenes were thought through to an additional level Howard and his collaborators don't simply make a point they make the point. And then take another look at it. From a new angle finding a different kind of truth. That that's what I meant to say. No. Said this is forever better. And then five questions, what's the first movie? You remember seeing that the well like, I said, my mom says my first movie was ET. But I was like couldn't speak or talk at that time. So that seems weird. I do remember seeing Bambi. And I remember that we went with my aunt Anna who actually is a year younger than me because of interesting family set up an Anna, she was into happy things and she was scared easily. And I remember that her mom had to remove her from the theater during Bambi and also during the FOX and the hound later. But I was like watching her. I does of sadness too scary to said Bemis mom, get shot. I have to go. No. And but I was like I remember like why watching her going up? I'll be like this. I'm I'm staying in for this. They start off. Bam bama's mom being shot. And you're probably. Yeah. That's right. That's what happens. How movie ruined Emily? Disney movies. She say, yeah. No. She's like, they're all they all have some sort of death. Yeah. They do Mike. Yeah. I think that's kind of one of the points is they're trying to teach kids about death. Yeah. Through Bambi sadnesses forever. Yeah. She's like, Nope. Do you? Remember your first rated movie. No. But I do remember that my mom, let me watch on TV when I was about seven or eight fatal attraction. Ooh. And it was probably your for sorry. Let me watch it all the way until the end. And there was one scene. She wouldn't let me watch. I know. I bet the rabbit yet to let me watch that part. And she was like you have to go to bed. Now. You can't see the rest because that would've truly upset you. Yeah. I liked animals a lot. I still do funny. Yeah. And it took years for me to discover what it was. I didn't get to see which is that she boiled the bunny. Yeah. Yeah. Good job. Mom. Yeah. That's totally the right thing to do. I don't know that. Well, I mean, the rest of the movie isn't particularly gel challenge friendly now. No, not at all. Will you walk out of a bad movie? I know you talked with my dad this, and he talked about how he walks out of movies a lot, and I find that to be very stressful to walk out a movie when he walks out of a movie that I'm at with. Get up and leave with you next. When I was a kid. I remember we once went to see a different SIV Martin movie that one where he's like a televangelist or something. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you mean. And remember we left a hung in the middle because my dad, I can't do this. Yeah. So I didn't like that feeling. So I would say for the most part. No, I won't stay. Okay. Because you. You take me we're leaving. So I'm a movie doormat. I'll watch whatever if if you get me in there. I'm in until the end movie dormant, I like that. Yeah. All right. This is tailored for you. What what song? Do you wish you had written like when you hear it? You're just like man if I could write that song. Yeah. Well, it's not necessarily your favorite song either. Right. Although. Gosh, this is really gotta think about this. Okay. There's a song called holy. By a songwriter called Chris Pirka that I've uttered the words I wish I wrote this song not a song that a lot of people would probably know. But okay. It's really sad. Yeah. Yeah. So good like, man. Yeah. It's like God damn this sadness chunk is taken already. And. I'm trying to think of something more. Well, one thing I've I've noticed is that some really famous songs that I have known always. I've covered them. And they've changed into a different thing for me. So like, you said it up twenty of cover songs right dirge machine can just give me something upbeat, and I'll just dirge a fi shiny happy people by RAM tragic. So I've been singing lately I've been seeing my show lately because I feel like people are so stressed about the world and things are really hard learning. Our time I've been singing won't back down. But like super sad and slow. I could hear that like, I'm picturing that coming from you. And I bet that's great. You won't have to picture it too much longer. 'cause I'm gonna put it up on Spotify. Oh, awesome. But he. Yeah. Like that's a song. I've always known. I've always liked. But then in that context, you're like, oh, like how they actually totally heartbreaking. I know. I'm thinking of those words now. And so, you know. That ability for somebody to write a song like that that lives its whole life as one thing, but holds up as a totally different thing. That's pretty cool. You know, like a or hungry heart. I same thing in my life. You know? But then when I heard it. Yeah. Oh, actually, we did together know he did that. And also on my record. I sang it with Martha Plumpton. Oh, wow. And it was her idea to I cover it. Yeah. That's a good one too. And so I admire that kind of writing where maybe the song even has to lives, you wouldn't expect petty and Springsteen. Yeah. A slap just. That was a good answer. Oh, good movie going on one. What what do you do at the theater where do you sit? And what do you eat? I will sit anywhere. This is this is like. I'm like I said earlier, right? I have pretty bad boundaries and practice pretty poor self care. So really, I'll do whatever the other person wants outset anywhere. And I'll eat anything. I'll do whatever you want mostly. I, but I used I I'm I'm really I like babies, but I also really like candy. I never think I want popcorn. But usually if someone gets it I start in with the popcorn in that. I can do I put away some popcorn I liked babies. But I really like candy. That's another t-shirt. Take a baby with this has the candy. Yeah. That's the move. And you've got all of them got it all famous candy and a record criminal record. Perfect way to end. Okay. Thanks. All right, folks. Hope you Doug that one. That was fun. I like to get these musicians in here, and I guess technically Lucy's actor as well because she was on the stuff, you should know show and tell you what if you play, Jerry. I mean, she should have got an EMMY nomination for that. 'cause cherries in 'nigma, and she really captured that onscreen everybody. So check out the stuff, you should know show. Go give it a look if you never saw it. It's a very odd little show that we did. And like I said you can get on Amazon prime and check out Lucy's handiwork as an actor about. 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Kourtney Kardashian and Kendall Jenner

Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson

1:34:52 hr | 6 months ago

Kourtney Kardashian and Kendall Jenner

"Hi I'm Kate Hudson my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relations and what it's like be siblings. We are assembling rail though. Now. WHO Don't do that with your mouth. That's good. It was your birthday, my birthday and you went out forty or forty four years old. We you know a bought a thirty three foot trailer. And this was the maiden voyage and we went to this place called Bogan flats and had my thing and it was really really fun that. and. I know it was great. Kids had fun. We camped with another family there. So the kids got the hang we swam in the in the in the river and. The whole experience is just so much fun. It's what I'm GonNa do from now on just leaving it's A million degrees where you are right now. Oh Yeah. It's it's crazy hot, and then snowed here on September eight how about but I almost died the other day my mountain bike we mean outright old you to be earful. Yeah, that day. Funny new. It's not not because of A. Fall a fall, but it was so hot. and. I got dizzy in had to go under a tree and. Harassed. And then I was like got nervous because I was like I can't get my heart rate down and then I finally was able to but I had that moment of panic you know and it's like Diet De. Oliver Relax you're not GonNa die just take some deep breaths. McGrath can't cool down I can't go down is the conversation I'm having with myself and all the while my adrenaline is spiking and making everything worse. So you had a panic attack end link a hundred degree heat on a mountain with no one was around. Well, let me just set this up for everyone. Listening I was on the phone with Oliver. We were face timing and he was up and he was weird. It was sort of flat plateau e land is like Yeah Avenue go for a ride and it was really quiet and I could kind of see you know when you're faced Hemmingsen when I could see the back I could see that like there was nothing around. Other cars and Ali was going I found this spot. You know I don't know. I was just driving on the spot him to go for a ride I'm like. Well, don't die because. You don't know what this is. There's nobody around it's not like there's GonNa be anybody on the trail. You Know Me and I'm pretty psychic I felt weird. I was like this is not great I don't like the way this feels thought of you and I was dying under the tree the. Gate New I know you have died thinking God. I'm so mad that she was right. Regarding how does she know? Man and well. Everything's good here. It's the same saying kids are the schooling is actually better than I thought it was gonna be I feel like you know what I figured it out wouldn't agree more. It's like weirdly good. I. Mean Not I would much rather the kids being school especially for wilder. Going into seventh grade was very excited to go with his plan to see Ryder everyone being there was there and he was pumped you know and It didn't happen. Yeah he'll only go hybrid maybe it's like a high hybrid. But but you're right the remote learning isn't so bad. Yeah. I. Think that you know I think as long as here's one thing I was thinking I heard this story about a teacher who said. The teacher said that she was trying to teach his videos were off. and. It was really sad. Thing. Like none of the kids were engaged you know when you get older and heist yeah and I was like we'll wait hold on. If I was a teacher if your videos not on, you're you're going to fail class. Yeah I. Mean that should immediately be like, yes. Need to set up your zoom so that you can be accountable to being attentive. Right. So at least the teacher can Dowa review the class and make sure that you know because that's what you would be doing in the classroom anyway you'd be calling out you know. John John Is there something more interesting. Is I know these should not be able to turn your cameras off they're not I mean just onto all teachers that should be just like the very first rule of them. It's like now we don't do my thing is with wilder is, is the you know I'm trusting him right I'm. Trying to put trust him so far so good but he goes into the room was your room actually your child room here at the guest house and that's where he works from, and then he just started and I put my head in and I'm like, Hey, but like everything good night are you are you doing anything in here? He's and he's like that. Can you just leave like you're on camera. You know like I know but. A what are you doing? Are you fucking around in here or I guess I just trust that you're listening I. Love Mess I love Messing with the kids in their classes by the way money yeah. Anyway. So well, happy birthday brother. Thank you before. Yeah. She did I didn't see anything I've been off the grid. Saying you a very sweet song on. INSTAGRAM. Got To see it. And I. I responded. And what did you say you should? Look at mine me okay. I look my. And then you can look. I'm going GONNA. Say One thing about about my birthday, and then we can talk about our guests coming up but. I'm forty four years old. And I've never felt age never mattered to me much and it still doesn't. But I, think when I'm fifty, I think when I'm started around fifty, it's Gonna I might have. A problem with it you know now major now already if you're already thinking about it. then. It's probably going to happen. Sooner than htay. because. I just keep turning. Is keep getting older every year in forty, three, forty four and I never really think about it. You know what? I mean. It's just another day I'm not a birthday guy but I feel like when I'm when I'm approaching fifty. God. I need to read the Tabet Book of living and. Dying. I think I think that? No matter yet aid you hit. That, you're always going if you think about age like that that when you're sixty, you're. GonNa go. Why did I do fifty? Right you're. You're going to go. Why did I go there when I was sixty? I think. You know. And then and then I think you're right I. Think you should read that book. I think. It's like, honestly I. Don't mean to bring this down, but I'll let's. Not. Let's bring this down. Bring it back. Yeah we're all GONNA die. Yeah. Yes. That's what I was going and you know is that we are in the middle of experiencing so much death I've lost many. Friends and I know that lately I. Don't know what's going on and then Cova did I know so many people who? Are Losing people and you know it feels like it's this crazy thing just feels like one piece of news. You don't WanNa hear after another another friend. Scott got diagnosed with lung cancer and we're getting you know getting through we're gonNA, provide it and all that but it just feels like it just comes at you so. Like hard and heavy right now. I thought you know. With the passing of Chadwick. Who I had an opportunity to know and work with. Just went to this place like he really inspired me. To really live moment to moment I mean if there's anyone. Could show. How like what a no bowl? life he lived because he just stayed so present and you would have never known. and. And I think did for a lot of us that knew him. It's sort of like. All of a sudden it made so much sense like a while like that's why Chadwick was the way he was and you just have to, I, mean I I honestly believe and I think about him now when my friend and then right after that a friend gets diagnosed and then I think you know what that you just have to live every day in the moment and it's a really hard thing to do. But, we just don't know. No we don't know. We don't know what our existence Nah we don't know now. No No. It's. Going to be a beautiful thing too if you look at it the right way. You know the fact that we don't know there's something wonderful about that in freeing if you can spin immuno. I read an article in the Guardian about this young man who's has terminal cancer is thirty one years old and he was talking about what the things to remember to live by. And it was. It's not a sad article. It feels like it could be like you read the headline you're like oof I'm going to lose it. You know but I actually read it and felt inspired because you know. He. Felt like. Good and loved and that he lived well. And he I mean, this man is really special and he but one of the things he said is he said be vulnerable. has when he got diagnosed, he finally allowed himself to live vulnerably from a place of love and just pure vulnerability a net his life in those two years have been more beautiful than anything because. He allowed himself to open up like that to people. Yeah and I just that really again, another thing where you went, you know that so sykes what a gift to give like like. I feel grateful that he passed that on to me through his words through the Guardian like. Like that so look you're you know when you're fifty Oliver I'm GonNa send you. lots of books and articles about. Living in the moments. I am. I am it'll be my first panic attack. Would I? I'm. Not. Just getting. So speaking of Eight ageless wonders. Oliver I. Just want We had courtney, Carter Shan and Kendall Jenner. On their? College, solid? SEGUE. Beautiful. And I was super excited about this because they're sort of. You know Courtney's sort of going through that time. And in the last year of. Wanting to be more private I've always felt candle kind of even though they're all available but I always thought candle kind of did her own little bends news. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a great pairing. Actually you know it was fun to get those two together. Yeah for sure. I Really WanNa get I mean it would be fun to get all of them like I wanNA talk to all of them. You know for sure but the pairings were great. You know you gotta get them right? Yeah. But it was. They were Coleman man they were superfund. Kendall US known as well. Obviously just social circles. Fashion. Wild. But. There they were. They were awesome. They were just a very obviously down to earth in. Cool Open. Kendall. Especially, you know. I don't know I didn't know much about her I'm speaking from the outside. You know you knew these girls a little bit better. I only knew courtney from basically watching the show and then Kendall, you know again, like you said, she sort of own thing she's got her own sorta thing going on. So I I didn't really I was didn't know what to expect. It's it's interesting when you you know these are their family it's really their cultural icons like. They changed the game in such A. Unprecedented way like not definitely not what was expected. They came on the scene and they became of the Kardashians honestly really did change the direction of which. He both see. In An influence you know as much as I think when you get to know them on keeping up the Kardashians like you really do fall in love with them. They're very outspoken. They're really honest about they're very They're I mean talk about being open and sharing your life I mean I I don't know I know I could never do that and just I mean just because We didn't know which was announced today was that it's going to be twenty, twenty one we'll be the end. Of Breaking, News Breaking News Sibling revelry. That's right. See we didn't break Laurie. But we just know that Oh my God how? How many seasons like five hundred It's been going on for avenues around five hundred. I. wondered. But seriously I I I mean they've been doing this for fourteen years. How when? The had seen Allison what twenty. Fourteen years. Twenty. Season Own Mike God. That's crazy. I. Pastor life. That is half allies are there's gotta be some liberation has to be some. Little. You're just projecting maybe your own feelings on what that is or it will be really sad. But they're still family I. Reading each other around maybe they're going to be like remember when we used to like sitting here and make up together before we were GonNa, do the show. Like, go over his house. You now like I. Remember. When we used to do are like style meetings together we were you know I don't know I now acting of crashes. Khloe. Fully remember when remember when you and I took on Miami. We did we learn Miami opened the shop. You know there's like nostalgic moments. Jay And watch your keeping up with the Kardashians. I can actually. Getting into one of those marathons for sure. Oh, for sure that was my jam. You know I just want to know what they're going to next. You just switch between the deadliest catch and keeping limit jazzy. Yeah balance is the key through a good life. Yeah. I hear you any. It was nice to be able to connect with courtney like that I hadn't done that for for many years. Yeah and candle. I Love Open Kendall is about things that she knows are important. I. I actually Heidel premonition about Kendall I think she's going to. do some really interesting things as she gets older and I think she's going to be quite a. Powerful force in a different way than people would expect her to be is what I was. Mean he was in would've professional segue. Perfect. The episode. All right. Enjoy our episode with. Courtney Campbell. I'm really excited you guys are here. Thank you. You're. Okay. So little has streaked courtney and Kim are around the same greatest me in high school. So in La Coldest. Near, the raid and we have. Our birthdays are one day apart. Yeah. So so courtney and Cam were we were on the same grade girls they went to Marymount I went to crossroads as they were like the girls that the guys talked about. All the time. I remember being in high school going who the fuck is like Courtney and Kim. Kardashian. This is crazy 'cause the guys they'd be like you know talking about how they saw the girls whenever It was like you know the mysterious Kardashians and then I remember we were at a party I forget which one it went. Ashley Cranes House I remember once that obviously cranes birthday party I. Think I saw you guys at Victor Ehrenberg. I use. Your First, boyfriend. Yes. Exactly. Ilya was my best friend in high school. So this is sort of. A Stud Iliad. Stomach Kim broke up with him for me on a on a voicemail she left him a voicemail on his poem answering machine. We only were dating for two weeks. We never other because he had bronchitis. So there was no making out there was nothing. So so here so here we are and I remember the first time I saw the girls you were in your in your uniforms like about five inches shorter than they were supposed to be I'm sure. And I remember the initial like reaction to seeing like, Oh, I'm finally meeting the girls at the guys are all talking about all the time and I was like Oh, yeah like. I get it really hot. I remember the dynamic van which was like. You were always the one that the guys felt like they can talk to Kim was always the one that was like, okay. Kim, is like a little bit. You can't really get close enough to her, but like Corny was the best friend. So that was my perception of what they were in high school that leg ready here I think that's more of how our personalities even are. Now I'm definitely more social, but that's even like me and Kylie like I feel like I'm the more the more Kim type like I kind of have like a little bit of a wall and Kylie super like always even growing up she had so many friends and like everyone like she was just easy to get along with an I was always like I don't know about you. Friends would come over. They would end up hanging out with me and. With me. So mad all my friends would go hang out kyle. Real quick. You're the oldest. Breakdown me than Kim. Then Khloe Than Rob Than Kendall Than Kylie God Poor Rob Holy Shit a boy. Throwing the Jenner's in. Rob Withdraw. The. Case, that's right. Burton Casey. So as Bert older than you. Yes. He's a year older than we casey is the same age I wasn't in this I'm three years older. Ancient you're like. I know it's okay. No. I was three years old I was I was at like bar. One. That far. Then, opium. That's why I saw you guys sometimes like opium. Den. Dublin's member Dublin. Where we're all these. La Clubs they were like in West Hollywood Hollywood. Hollywood. The days of La Clubbing was actually pretty fun. So let's start seriously because you guys are your how many years apart are you sixteen? Do you feel like you had very different upbringings? Yes, what would you say? You're the dynamic was in the house it was you and with Kim and it was and then chloe and rob we there was we would go to church every Sunday and it was very. Like family and my mom's big on celebrating everything you know every any little excuse for a celebration my mom was very involved like. Make our lunches would make dinner. Every night would make breakfast I don't know if she was I think she was working more with you guys she was working more but in the big like in are really much younger years, she always made us dinner and breakfast and lunch and everything and and my dad would to a law and I. Think we were like when we moved to the House that now She was still kind of doing it, and that's when it started to die off and it became more my dad cooking for us but I mean you would yeah they they made great food. I mean it was the same. Remember you. You told me about the picket fence protests that you guys did for the Spaghetti. Every mom used to make spaghetti every single night and so I Kind of. And I would walk around the House with a sign and say, no more spaghetti like I'm not eating dinners anymore. But yeah they were kind of repetitive. What's really interesting to me when I think about just our age gap is like. There was a time in life where we were like I. Mean I'm still a little sister but will we were like really the little sisters like you could probably never imagine like hanging out with us on like a like our friendship personal level and then it just like it's I wonder like what age was it that it flipped where we actually like started hanging out and like they hang out with my friends now sometimes and we go out together and we go to like we actually on trips together remember the moment when it was like, okay, she's of age like let's go get a beer. Let's go get a drink. Let's go hang as when did we start probably when I was like Eighteen nineteen like when it really started to become an Kendall. Also was became what age did you become like this model and you know what I remember is when I had rain. and. So I was, I, don't know I can't even add right now I think I was thirty five. Than how old are you with that? Thirty four. Thirty One Sixteen. Point in. Nineteen. Twenty. Twenty, three, twenty, four, twenty, four. member. We started. Guys okay everyone's successful. I think was it would be nineteen six were six years apart. So but I remember at that time going with you to that the roast, the comedies. And I feel like we would start. Or if we'd have a barbecue at the house, you would come and bring your friends and family and also our birthdays like when Kylie Kylie's eighteenth birthday. It was like everyone was like that's when it was really starting like when Kylie turned eighteen. And I was like nineteen twenty. Yeah. How old were you? When when Your Dad passed away twenty four wow, you were my age. That's crazy. Yeah. Your mom at that time was with your dad they weren't together for. Yeah for a while. Yeah and so did you ever have a moment? Mama was like dating guys? Yes. When I was eleven and my parents got divorced when I was eleven. And my mom had I she had a boyfriend than they broke up and then she was I just remember her going to bar one. Go to bar far one all the time that was her spot what year. Was So. Funny. You weren't there. No, you were like fourteen. Okay. Area. and. But she would go to bar one in should wear these tight like a lion. That was what year was this in the. Early nineties. Yes. Yeah. Late eighties early nineties. Yes. Like hot pink lipstick and I, just remember she was such a vibe. She had like this sailor hat that should wear sometimes out she was super ninety. S O. so fun. Is She, had a boy had a boyfriend, but not for very long, and then she was just out having fun with her friends and who knows what she was doing but and then she started dating Bruce and I remember he came over for his first for their first date to pick her up at the house and I was there with my friend. and we were actually trying on her tight dresses doing fashion show and I've all these photos. I think we put one on my brother. A fluorescent yellow one. And we had photos of Robyn this fluorescent yellow dress with your dad. So. What did you think of him like do you remember? was there a moment where it was like okay, this is real and were you always accepting of sort of your mom dating other guys now here on life definitely. Yeah. But I'll. Hated. My Dad for a second right. But not in the beginning I liked him in the beginning and then they were we had all of the the I had now four step siblings. So we thought that was Super Fun. and. We would go on trips together. Bruce had a house in Lake, Tahoe so we would go and we thought it was so much fun and then just when he would tell me what to do you know or it's the whole. The hardest positions to have to be in because I mean there's four of you guys and in you're walking into this dynamic that's been going on for quite a while and it's just hard. My Dad had a fiance who lived with us for me five years. And I love turn we got along. Extremely. Well Number Denise. Denise and we're still friendly were still close. She came over on Christmas actually to our Party. And her and I always had. You know there was probably a few little things but I think. You know she. I think she wasn't strict with us. That's the difference she would try to teach us a lot. She's the person who taught Kim and I about makeup. She gave us these makeup lessons and had someone video us doing makeup and we learned she bought us all make up and she would just try to give us all these lessons about being. You, know a woman and just teach us all these tricks and things like that. Was the divorce was divorce goes good divorce meaning like was it was amicable or was it contentious contentious? But they ended up my mom, our mom and an uncle Robert ended up being like, cool. Yeah. They ended up being close friends and getting dad and Uncle Robert were common core were. Really cool right after a while and then once he was call with Bruce than I felt. Like I could be nice to. Bruce. Yeah. Oh. That's so interesting protective. Do you have moments where you're like? I can't stand this sibling right now and I don't I. Don't I'm not. I'm not backing you up I'm not protecting I'm you you fend for yourself I. Mean I think like any sibling relationship there's always like you get in these crazy fights and you can hate them for five minutes. But then like twenty minutes later you're like, are you WANNA lunch like it's like kind of that relationship but also? If you're talking about like you know publicly. When we always say like when we're like a group, we're like a package deal. Do you know what I mean? So it's like when one of us does something it kind of reflects on all of us. So there's not that like you know what screw you. You go deal with a it's your problem too because it's kind of anything that we all do with all of our problems. I mean, we joke about like when you when you when you date one of us, you date all of us like like kind of that thing like. There are but was so intimidated. When kind of then gets in your business you know went with the dating thing but I think as far as like if one of us says something publicly like Kendall recently said something that I wasn't happy about. She went on James Corden and they said rate your siblings in order of course, Karen. Parents. And she and I saw her right after harding ran up to me and was like Oh, my God. I said this thing and I I said she was the last parent and ha ha like it was a joke I didn't mean it. I was like. First of all that is not what I said to you. I want them to you because I was like I was like I'm Gonna I'm GonNa put Rob First, and then the rest of just not even going to like I just like I'm just going to throw them out there courtney I swear to God. She happens to be the last one. So then I was like, okay. That sounds Kinda bad. So was like they're all amazing whatever they are. They are all incredible parents. I don't have a kid. We were just talking about this. I can't really speak for anyone because I don't have a child but I know just visually. Someone would be like I'm not kidding isn't your scenario with your kids and your family always the source of most of like. The. Station there's always something happening about me. Like. One that needs to be have more. Why do you get picked on? I? Don't know I. Don't know if I'm like an easy target or I'm they think I'm not GonNa, say anything or it's like if she would have said that about him or Kylie and then Mir. khloe would have been the easiest ones to say at about. So I feel like forget it if you said it about Kammer Kylie. Let. Me Ask Kendall this question because you are an outside perspective and you do not have kids and is not a rating or a judging. But do you see those who do have the children? Do you see how they parent do they parent differently they all parent a little differently or is there a common thread between all Like the way they discipline, their kids may be. Traveling all over the world I know. Guys I'm going to Milan later. I literally I don't see a lot like. I I see them as often as I could, but she says she's not wrong but I mean, yeah I thought with me and the kids do the and I see a lot of it. I get a very personal feel of. The most probably yours I see courts the most because I travel with her kids a lot more than I travel with the rest of them but No, I. Mean I think naturally, there's definitely differences indiscipline in in all those things and not to say any of them wrong or bad or You know as I said, I can't really speak. Parent. From your perspective court. WHO's the strictest like? Yeah no don't do that type of its between Kim and chloe. Maybe it's Kim I think it's Khloe. Really I would assume it would be Khloe just. Yeah she's like I feel like her daughters also not even two years old. Tough. So there's a big difference. I think. Khloe. Off your face. I feel like. My friend has this thing where any time something's happening in her life. She's like I'm just I need to like Courtney Kardashian. And what that means is, and this is her what she was saying about it is that it's like nothing seems to phase Courtney. I mean is that is that who you are it is it can be and it is a lot of times but I do have my moments of being impatient or you know who I think is even more like that that a lot of people don't know is Kylie highly is so Lottie. Da Everything is just like and. Salah. Kylie's the baby, right? She's the baby. Was it like for you guys when the new ones came into play you know what I mean like was there was it was it was exciting was taking attention away from you guys you were older but. You know what was that? VIBE WAY I think it was super exciting I. Remember when. We knew that my mom was trying to get pregnant with Kendall. So you know we were that was very exciting for us. We were in the room and Kendall was born. and then with Kylie. When she told us, she was pregnant with Kylie. It was a huge shock. Sarah. Remember being like what and we were kind of embarrassed. I think like our mom was having another kid it. It was more rare I. Think at that time. Now, it's now normal. At, the time I remember I think she was forty she was forty forty one with Kylie 'cause she was by the time she had her she was forty one but I remember being just feeling a little embarrassed like is to be having another kid are you able to just kind of surprised and then you know by the time we were really excited we were in the room also Kylie was born wow like during the birth. That's awesome. Was it your mom's idea to do the show? Yes, we were actually Kim Khloe and I were trying to do a show about this producer came to Kim and we were trying to do a show about our stores dash they just of followed us and that's what they thought was great and then one we were doing that they started filming with our family they came to the house ones for dinner started filming some stuff and then I think they just decided to do a family show. Do you go back and never look at any of the past episodes and go like Oh my God that's crazy or I forget a lot. So I'll look and I'll be just be like, wow I can't believe we did this are we showed this or you know only time that I'll ever like if I'm channel searching or whatever and I see that our show is on the only episodes I'll ever click on like the really old ones like the first because those are like low key home videos to us. So. It's really cool for me to see those ones the new year's agenda. I know I'm so crazy to see how little Kylie and I were on my God I there must be also such a fashion. Shift. Is Crazy that almost every day of our lives were photographed. So deceived these crazy outfits, sometimes the fashion was so awful so bad but at the time so I always think about this I'm always like okay. So whenever anyone looks at old photo of them whether it's their face or clothes or whatever, and they're like, oh. My God what was I thinking like are we always GonNa look back now like what was I know because look at like my mom like eighties seventies eighties. 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Think there's times when like you said like you can't even go out to dinner with the you know somebody that you're seeing 'cause you don't know what it is or whatever but then I'm just like I have to live my life too. But at some point, you realize like it just doesn't matter. It's like someone's going to say that I'm doing something that I'm not doing anyway and I'm doing this and I'm this I'm and everyone forgets about something like an a within a week. So it's Kinda. Just like if you're gonNA, do it just do it right? Everyone says it is GonNa say something anyways in in a week normal remember this. is now that's why I've done. So many hallmark movies. Everyone. Just forget. So just to collect a paycheck and then move on maybe cooler. Everything that's out there. Do you get to a certain point where you just don't even like someone can say something to new? No idea that that was out there as like some rumor I think we usually know on some level just because. Everything you know I don't know. You don't even have to look for it sometimes it's just like. We're talking to our instagram popular page earlier like sometimes it just like pops up and you're like wait was like how did people and what is this? Do you ruminate over it? If something's intense enough for. You know whatever you definitely I think it depends on the subject matter as `specially like stuff with me about my kids like when Kendall that even though I know it was not intentional and she didn't mean it. But that like got dire ballot drives for yes which she did and I wrote her and said that it hurt my feelings and then she apologized and it was fine. But like stuff like that where it's about like a series, you know like a topic and then you're like Oh God now everyone thinks I'm the worst parent in the and then it's like who cares I know that I'm not we have different parenting styles you know. Is Your Mom, the center like issued the great mediator of the family or are there moments where they're still individuation happening I? Think we're super independent and individual. But our mom is like I'd say like homebase captain whatever you WanNa call it like if I'm ever having an issue whether it be personally for work life I'm running to my mom like I'm GonNa call my mom just probably like like anyone would it's it's a plus that she also like you know helps us out with our with our work stuff being so young actually. Did your parents talk to you when show is happening like look. This is what life is like right now this isn't necessarily this is your life, but there's a there's isn't real life in a sense even though it is you know what I mean was there a bigger talk or was it just this is what we're doing because it eleven years old you're your brain is still forming yeah cognition right and I I wonder this I wonder stuff like this a lot and I it's hard to say like I know the exact reason or Whatever why Kylie and I ended up for the most part pretty like children like normal about the whole situation because we actually lived it. So I can't tell you what's different from like how we did it to like how someone else was raised. Because, I the s the kind of the only thing I know I mean I could tell you surface level what I think I see but it's so interesting because I think about it all the time and like how they raised us what was different and why how did we added everything turn out this way and sometimes I'm just like it was a slow build and it was gradual and they made us feel so like we never had. Like. We weren't just given everything. We were spoiled for sure we were very blessed and we had a great upbringing and I have no complaints whatsoever. But like it wasn't I don't know correct me if you think I'm wrong. But I just think Kylian I grew up for the most part pretty normal and I said that a minute ago. But like it was just the tribute that too because you guys all seem very down to earth well rounded grounded people who appreciative. Is that the is that parenting I mean do you think? That in have like an like an direct answer for you because I just I haven't been able to like put my finger on the exact thing that it is, but I could generalize it to Yeah I. Think it's amazing parenting but beyond amazing parenting I think it's it is like you are a product of what you're like. It is just the lifestyle we lived. We lived like just we went to normal school and like that's what I was concerned about I didn't care like who was coming over for dinner is like a surprising. Grounded nece that you guys have that I don't know if it's represented in your show, but you have a very centered and that does it comes from your it's has to your parents and you guys are matter what's happening. Are always so close I think that's a huge testament to your Mama. Now your brothers are you close with brody and random? Yeah. We we are obviously not as close as My sisters in even just growing up I grew up, they lived in the same house with me at one point. So we just had like I just wasn't ever As close with them growing up but we were always like I saw them all the time and we go in and out of like phases with them there will be times where I'm home. Alah in like I'll go over to Malibu and all see my dad and my brother. So it's not that we're not close. It's just not as closely and then do you go in and out of Being close with one sibling totally happen though I mean just because you're bit just happened kind of shifts doesn't it? Yeah. I'm closest with Courtney right now but Kylie and I will always have some special certain bond and Her and I are full blood. Of course Kylie was my pert- let Kylie was my pair. So there were things that I experienced with her mostly because of an age difference that I didn't experience with Courtney like we we were I mean were very close for twenty one months apart. So we're like pretty much twins at a certain point. We just did all these things together. We grew up together WHO's the most instagram followers Kim Him. And Kylie are pretty much you're. Okay and they're what? How many instagram followers now, hundreds of millions. Does anyone care. Let me just a kid you guys. Act You've got more than I do. Do that with me about the competitive nature you know what I mean is there is. Literally, none none I don't feel any. Do you I don't ever any. Jealousy of like how far you know I Swear to God I. Don't feel any I mean personally at least and I don't feel it towards me but I also think that's because we all just are so different when you really think about and we'd all do such different things and that's something that I like really the reason I got so excited when you said that is because it's something that I'm so just like thankful for like 'cause it's so easy. There's so many girls and like it's so just like could be so catty and it's not at all at least in my opinion I had it growing up yet currently and I were the worst. But. Now I think there is not over growing up there was that sort of butting heads. Wailing Each Other's friends boyfriends. Put yourself put yourselves out there for basically entire lives. There's probably at this point. I can say a societal. Perspective on who you guys are perception, right? What is bullshit about that is are there things that the society probably thinks about you just based on what they've seen, which honestly is based on editing? Let's be honest. They can edit you guys in ways the where you're like wait a minute. That's bullshit. That's not who I am frustrates got to be frustrating especially because you can't micromanage all you have to just let it roll. What do you think the one thing that that society might get wrong there's not just one thing there are so many things. I'm trying to think of things that like. Streaming it's more of like A. Like a very like a tunnel. Who? I feel like I'm edited to be like very like gluten free dairy free like just like won't you are. Jerry. Way No but the way it is like first of all yes I am at my house but like. I don't know I'm not. Things Q. You're like, no. When I go to a restaurant, I am not gluten free everyone's. Response. But. You're saying that they kind of there's this idea that you're like so regimented exactly. Yeah. I'm super rigid and like when we had the girl's birthday party, it was the candy land theme and so there was this big fight between me and cam about I didn't want as much junk food at the Party and she did and so it was this whole thing and then. Only, just that would be an argument over way that it was portrayed though it looked like I don't know it looks like you're no fun, right? Yeah. The character that they've sort of made right to be. Right. So it's bothersome when I'm like I'm the most fun. Candles or anything specific I know there's a lot but one or two words like this is kind of bullshit because this isn't really who I am. Well, it's not even I mean I'm not even talking personally. I'm talking about like like the whole just Kardashian Jenner like label I. Guess I just I guess I'm super loyal and I'm super defensive over like the people that I love. So especially when it's like a whole group like when we're talking about our entire family I, don't know I think it's a lot of the time when people are like. Oh like that. We manipulate situations or that we do this or that we do that or like even people are like they call the Paparazzi and they do this. Why would first of all first of all, I don't have the time second of all. Why I don't you're the one that's just none of it makes sense to me sometimes and not get super frustrating because I'm like there I know people I know like people that I would never name who actually show that you guys would never think that and like I couldn't even tell you who to to call who to tell who did the you know what I mean like it's things like that's just one random example and it's kind of a very general one. But like there are so many things like that where people don't actually realize how like I mean like like where actually pretty like. I don't know I get what I'm trying to say I know what you're trying to say while your sometimes I have a hard time saying he. Hype. Sitting next to the right person I know exactly what you're trying to say we basically saying is everybody will always try to make you guys look like your attempting to make it happen and it's something that's actually organic. What it is your mom is sitting there with the puppet strings calling fair. Walking down the street and what does that mean? That's like the double works hard Kris Jenner works harder something like that. It's like people really think we sit here and like Palais out calculate all these things in like but it's genuinely it's. It's literally why we have a show is because we're actually are there's craziness all the time like and it's just not even planned and that's why our show between. Where you'd be if the show didn't exist I mean what would your life be like oh? Yeah we have to go. We want to go through each person in your family and what you think they would be doing if you weren't funding keeping out we KU's quick. For Coach Ed. What would your mom be doing right now start with Monte Nido well, my mom and I had at the time when our show started. We had kids clothing store called smooch. Okay and then huge new years. Later, we opened my sisters and I opened dash our store two doors down and I pretty much ran the smooch one in khloe pretty much ran dash but I don't know I don't know if we'd have still be doing the stores. You'd probably be in fashion going and buying, and you'd open probably like your version of we over market or badly. So we were doing these buying trips, Kim Khloe in New York and we had the best time. We would go talk these lunches. TRIPS and go out. It was really fun to you would be in business together. Fashion Right. You'd be in fashion. Okay. But specifically, mom would be what the accountants like what would Mike maybe accounting the she would may be still do the store my grandmother. My Mom's mom had a kids clothing store in La Hoya until maybe. Four years ago. So no I think it was a little like maybe two years ago. Really. Yeah. So she had the store forever we would go there growing up. So maybe my mom would still do the kids store her thing at the store she could sell anything to anybody. She was the number one like alternate salesperson, F-, anyone walked in no matter how much money they had mom she would convince them that they just needed everything she would get make the biggest sales. And then she thing was also doing the windows she just would make the windows looked so magical and I did all the buying and paid the bills. Kim. Cam would at her role at the store was more like styling like people she would go to people's houses bringing them. To Help people. Yeah. Clean out your closet jaw clue and say like this is the this is what you need should clean out their closets say get all this stuff from dash and then. So I'm going to say Kim would end up being. stylist. And then chloe chloe really ran dash like she was the one. You know who operator yeah. The operator see shows like the. Show. I was I C E L. Air. Highly highly I have no alike. I'm trying to think. What she would be doing soon, I mean, she really created Kylie Cosmetic Shang really did bus why I'm saying he? Think of anything else like she really's Del. Fill Obituary. She just wouldn't have the same platform it would just be ready do saying in cosmetics I'm sure a new. Students you. It's not I feel like I would have. Gone to the Olympics yeah. Back Riding Yeah I still would love to go but I just haven't making happen but you can make that time how fucking cool with. The Second Olympian Jenner that would be a man. I, know. I know you know I think about it all the time I really do. I have two horses. Stars like you can travel and ride anywhere. And you don't have to be modest. Do you have the talent? I literally did it for twelve. Twelve years straight like my whole life didn't stop I'd like would go from eight am to eight PM. I'd ride I'd ride my horses that I, ride all my trainers, horses, get him out what do you? What would you? What would you do? 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Doing David Letterman or you know things like I get really nervous to do shows like that now and I think like I don't even know if I could do that. But I I would go with no. I had no care had so much confidence. I would just like walk out and just I didn't even really get it everything was moving so quickly that. I feel like we just did things all the time like I did a soap opera like an acting thing as which I'm the worst actress of all time. But I did that just kind of for fun. We were in New York and they filming our show and they asked me to do that. So there's been so many different things that I've tried and I think so all these random jobs that me and my sisters had. That I think are just so cool that we had the opportunity to try over until experience. Yeah. What about travel? Do you like to travel I. Love to travel was your favorite place I mean Bali was really Special I just it was really different. I think than anywhere I'd been in just. You know but I really love going to Japan. I think the time change and just it feels like you're in a different world like you're. On a different planet be for some reason to me it's my favorite love Japan. I've never been really member retired gotta go to Japan I know. So what about you twenty four so far like Twenty years it's my whole life. been a seminal moment for you in these in these last I'd say five six years I mean kind of just what we were saying like. I. Think Overall. I would have never imagined that it would have been even just at this level or that I would have been the place that I am at today and I always say, I, don't know. Qu- could beat the cornyist thing but I always. Say like some of the most special things that I find that come out of my job are the people that I mean the places that I get to go and just the experiences that I get to experience because I know that not everyone gets is able to do a lot of the things that I could do and I try not to ever take it for granted and everyone always says like. Grasp the moment or whatever, and it's like, how do you sit there? Sometimes I'm like, how do I grasp this right now like it's just all GonNa, keep going. So I like to sit and think about things and just be like I really am so fortunate in. So blessed even if it is just at the end of the day or whatever but like certain things I'd say like I. Did September Vogue which was really big for me a couple of years ago I've done like I mean the reason I started modeling was the Victoria's secret fashion show and I know that's very like stereotypical. But like I did that and that was super cool for me and just like that that's like a I mean for model I would think that growing up you see those girls like. Those were like my superheroes. Yeah. I think it's just the overall like I really didn't ever and I had a lot of doubters like there was a lot of people that were like. I'm I'm a very. Competitive Person. When it comes to myself and like proving people wrong almost. So I really took that I really was like I'm going to work even harder now like keep keep the key the haters coming because I swear to God like makes it like fuels me I'm like, okay let's keep it pushing. So I had like a lot of. I didn't know where I would end up and. I was you know I started doing it because I wanted to be an example for little girls like myself that when I would look at you know supermodels I thought of them as Superhero. So I'm like, I WANNA I wanna be that example to other little girls or boys and So I felt like I had I had this drive that I like didn't even realize I had in the moment I was just like loving and having so much fun and I was like I want to do more I to more I want to keep going in other than the Victoria's secret show. What was the moment for you or you're like I can't believe I'm. Doing this. So with the Victoria secret show being said coming into it, that's what I. Thought, that I wanted and I didn't I I didn't do a lot of my research I knew what models that I loved and I knew a bit about fashion but I wasn't like super into it like that because I was kinda focused on my horses. So once I got into it and I was like you know what? I want to do this for real and to do this big I went to my agency I got signed and. They basically were like you're not going to do the Victoria's secret fashion show right now like we're going to show you this whole other world of like high fashion and just this these these amazing shows and my first season I walked Chanel. So I mean I did a bunch of other shows but that was like really big for me. I never even imagined that was where I would be I literally was like. I don't care like I wanNA. Do Whatever's cool like just send me send me wherever I gotta go like I'll go do it and I'll put my hard work and do it so getting Chanel I was like what the Hell I was like holy moly like this is really happening. So I walk Mark Jacobs, my first season and those moments were like really cool for me I don't think people really want. Now they do because they can seem more of the energy that's happening in the shows and. When. You're backstage and it's just like constantly moving in girls are constantly going in the travel is insane. I remember being about nineteen years old and I had flown all I was flying from Ireland London to New York to La and back and forth, and I had to audition for almost famous. It was like one of those moments in my life for. Stop and I, remember being on a plane. And I was taxing and I just like Burson here's because I didn't know my head from need at this point I now can look back and go oh, my God i. just finished High School I mean. That's a L- A lot when you're that young and you're kind of you think you're ready for it but then you're living out of a suitcase and I remember calling my mom. was like mom. I don't I'm like losing my mind I. Don't I don't know where I am anymore and she talked me Kinda down and made me realize that that's not that's not that normal for a nineteen year old girl to be traveling like that like right out of the House and. Anyway just wondering if you ever had moments like that were usable I had a lot of. Crazy I've always had like. Some anxiety and I didn't even really know what it was when I was really young but I, think all of this kind of really ignited in me. So I really had. Okay. So that's sorry interrupt but I I was GonNa WanNa touch on that because I was reading about debilitating anxiety. Yeah. because. I think it's important especially for a lot of people you know you have however hundreds of millions of people who have. These are the things that can really you know touch people and people can relate to I, went through it in my twenties and I just wanted to sort of ask about that and what that was for you and how it manifested. Yeah. I think like I said I've always had it and didn't know what it was. 'cause no one really talked about it when I was really young and I remember going to my mom when I was super little and be like mom I, can't breathe like I'm really short of breath I feel like I can't get a deep breath and she was like I don't know. So I went to a doctor my lungs check melons are fine whatever. One ever told me what it was neat. Not even my mom really knew what was going on she couldn't be like, okay. You're having a panic attack or you're having anxiety or whatever. So it was slight growing up and then like I said going into my job and just traveling nonstop I, mean I would be on. Eight to eleven to twelve hour flights almost every single day for seven years like I was not there was no stopping I was losing my mind even like missing the smallest holiday like fourth of July I would like lose my mind I'd be hysterical in my bedroom like but I felt I almost felt like I was like. I knew I wanted to be there because I, knew that the outcome is what I wanted. I wanted to do that job and I want. But in reality I was like, what am I doing this for I'm nineteen years old in eighteen years old I should be having fun with my friends like, why am I? What am I doing I'm whatever so I would just have these breakdowns in Miami. Really really bad and I think that everyone uses the the wordings -iety really lightly these days because it is a real thing and I would get I would go into the deepest panic attacks where I would I'd have people break rush me to the hospital. I'd be like I'm GonNa die like things are not going right I got my heart checked I got my brain chip they got my lungs. Checked to make sure that I was okay I would. Had these really bad. Attacks where I would. Someone might Chinese Medicine Doctor Guy told me that they of call it cavewoman syndrome basically where. You go to bed and you think every you feel fine. You're like I'm going to bet I'm good whatever I don't feel anxious and you basically wake up in the middle of the night with like complete like just anxiety in the middle of your sleep your waking up I was screaming I, was couldn't stop like I felt like I couldn't breathe my heart was going crazy. I would just have these like frights whatever you WANNA call in the middle of the night I'd call someone usually it was shelly as often I would like I'd be like I need to come over. She was so nice you'd answer the Phone every night at like three in the morning I would go there and all of a sudden I would feel fine and it's basically when I got robbed a few times in my last house stalkers and all these things and it's basically when you go to bed and subconsciously you don't you're not even aware that you don't feel safe. So it's like when when the caveman would go out to hunt in the women have to stay back with the the babies they would have that to they wouldn't feel safe because of prime right how did you get through it? It's funny because I would only get it in. That she needed to wake up and be like all kill a motherfucker. Only happen in that house and sometimes on airplanes I would have these weird things where I would like fall asleep on an airplane wake up like every five to ten minutes with like full anxiety really bad. So I had to like I started meditating and that was helping a Lotta are doing like. Acupuncture and like all these other things anything I could figure out would help me just calm down but. And then I was like you know what? I think I got to get out of this House I. Don't think this House is good for me something about the energy and just everything that's happened. I don't feel safe here. Do you still have anxiety I? Mean? For sure I got this is just one example. Okay. Something really gnarly that. So I ended up getting onto that house and I don't have those episodes anymore, but I do and I haven't had a panic attack in a really long time just because I've gotten I think anxiety you can't once you're having it they say you just have to ride the wave so it's not about getting rid of it. When you have it, it's about preventing it. So for me, it was just about finding even if it was the littlest things like I have so many apps in here, I couldn't meet. At folder my phone, just like the APPs or the aroma therapy or acupuncture or the medication Sasha once-a-week meditating. Yet, but I didn't know what it was I mean now it's definitely a way way worse was twenty three years old this happened to me and it hit me hard. Yeah. I. I I was on the street and I felt like my heart was going to explode I went down to a Neon I thought I was dying. Yeah. Same thing got tests heart every. Realized, it was acute anxiety for eight nine months. I was throwing up on the street I was getting nauseous I and I would try to fight through it and meditation was massive for Meditation and journaling. Literally started journaling last year beginning of the year I'll started reading like physically reading books, which helps me a lot. But journaling helped a lot just to even even if I just write down little thoughts, it's not even about like writing a whole story But yeah, a lot of that a lot of that helped me and I am. Dealing with anxiety and you're right I think it's used lightly now as you so horrible horrible feeling. We're anxious world right now. I, even see it with my my oldest is going through right now he's going. Through this anxiety yeah. The don't help I. Think we've got to put our four. Yeah, we do. Victim to being on our phones a lot. And I don't think you should feel bad about it if you are. But I think that you just it's about being aware did you ever get to the root of your anxieties? You know really sort of think on it be like a wonder where this stemming from because it does come from some I think a lot of it like I was kind of saying before was triggered mainly by like being overworked and I didn't really have a moment for myself. So I realized that when I when I consciously kind of went my agents and my mom and I was like listen guys i. Love working I'm not gonNA stop working I still want to do it, but I want to be a little more selective and I wanNA start saying no and being smart about my travel schedule and just like really planning things out properly once I started doing that and taking time for myself I mean even just like the little trips that Courtney I go on like or just being like you know what I'm Gonna I'm GonNa, book this holiday out and I'm going to be in La for this I want to be here whatever just taking back control of my life helped me so much. Third. Third. Third. Mix Bras. 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So many like are older siblings and our parents everyone always had a job. So I think naturally, we were really motivated so they didn't even really have to push us into having jobs. We kinda just loved doing it but except you clever, right there's something about a dog. and. To walk the dog what you hired somebody yeah. We'll hear you. WanNa talk about having jobs in the night could say my story, Char. One summer I was a production assistant on. Okay, it was like a TV movie. My Dad was friends with the director. My mom was friends with the owners of guests. So I had to work at the guests store on Rodeo. Okay. Up I. Usually worked upstairs in the men's section but I am an expert t shirt folder now I worked for both my parents as their personal assistance on different summers. which honestly was probably where I learned the most in life because I feel like. Just watching them like what I was saying like role modeling and just hearing my mom on the phone or May Dad on the phone and how they would talk to people and get things done or I was in charge of my mom's Rolodex I had typewriter. She leg was obsessed with the typewriter a did use her typewriter and make her rolodex cards when she got someone's contact i. Loved her role day the Family Rolodex, and so just seeing how she organized had to do all of her filing, her filing systems and how she used everything and how she got hurt. You know errands and I had to run all errands, go with her to costco do all the stuff like just I don't know it just taught me so much about how to keep a household. and especially my dad's I was in charge during the OJ trial of organizing the mail into Oj's mail, and it was in two boxes ahead to do ones with money ones with that had a lead ones that I don't know there was like four categories hate mail and fan mail it also like we all. We were talking about how you haven't really been doing our houses but we all like you know, we just run our households a certain way and you can like you can see it. It's like literally a product of like what my mom has just instilled in all of us and how we like run our lives and how organized we are, and we're just like we were adults at such a young age. Thanks to our MOM and I. consider it a really good thing like just you know we know how to like. Yeah. Run Shit run. Yeah. Okay. So your dog, your dog story real quick. Yeah. So we used to Kylian, I used to walk dogs in our community all the time we were literally just like make poster like flyers and like go to our neighbors houses and just like you need a dog dino dog walk and so it became like a little bit of a thing and then there was this man in our community that ended up he was doing the same thing as us and we didn't even really know about him and we found out about him. So we were like Oh like. Here, like you start taking the dogs whatever and we still kinda get paid for it and then and then they ended up, they caught me doing it on the show at one point The show was on the show. So funny I, like I like got paid for walking my dog, but then I would just go give her. The dog walking. My head I guess I go I would be really entrepreneurial. I I would like I would like the spirit of it which is I've got other things I want to be doing I'm going to figure out how to make money and not have to do the work. I was I was genius at that. I mean sort of what do you mean? Now no but when I was a kid. All the stuff. Let's talk about Bush where did this come from? How long have you been doing it now and then what are your dreams for it is? A lifestyle. Website that I don't know I just felt like when you think of even like the stereotype what we were talking about how I feel like I'm. Edited. Are Portrayed on my show that I feel like if you're if you care about what you're eating and you want to eat organic and be healthy and take care of yourself and like wellness is important to you it was almost to me like you couldn't be also sexier. Cool. This lifestyle was kind of missing I. Felt. So we've been having so much fun with it. I do it with two of my best friends. From high school and it's been really fulfilling and I think there's a lot we could do with it. So we have a bunch of plan and is the platform is, is it an email newsletter? We do have a newsletter that goes out. It's a free site which had an application before we all did all my sisters, but it was like you had to pay to get the content. So this is all free content. We've done some CA- labs last year with products that we were selling on it. So it does have a shop shopping element. but it's mostly the content is what I'm finding the most fulfilling fun ready. Let's do a speed round one word to describe the other. Cool. You me. Okay. Let's get gonNA. Stay behind kind naval. Funny which sibling do you fight with the most Cam Kendall? Do I like I. Don't fight with anyone really. Maybe I'd say Kylie for sure Kylian. Makes Sense Yeah has the better closet to read probably Kendall. Me To. Read her stuff because we're shoes too small. Do great vintage you do you really do have really good you do I wanna come see both of your closet anytime. WHO's more bossy. Me Courtney. Maybe, not anymore. Yeah. I kind of biased. Joe Freak like I just like I think Kendall is I'm GonNa Change my answer really I'll take. which sister would you call to bail you out? Of Judge doesn't have to be you guys Khloe Kim. ooh interesting. Our trust either of them though but I think Kim right now Khloe on like Oh khloe would I feel like reads per? Day. The legal profession. KHLOE would probably fine anyway she could. You. All. Okay. Who is best giving advice it depends on what the advices four. Guy Advice I think chloe but chloe is harsh harsh. Super Harsh when. There's no tolerance. If you want that harsh advice if you want the kind of on your same level, I would talk to Kendall and then if I want like fashion advice I, usually ask Kendall or like. If, you really want to like what photo to post maybe a Kylie. Funny. Pretty on point with it though is that the same as you? Yeah. I mean I think relationship advice I'd say. It does depend on what I'm going through because sometimes you're like, okay this person I feel like could relate to this. I wouldn't go to Kim for relationship advice I'd go to her sometimes if I need to be like an adjustable one who's married so we probably should. Have Kevin Khloe on Kim's like the investigator though like I could call Kim if it's the tea like drama like I'm like, Oh, I need to call Kim because she'll just like she'll vibe with me on the drama because she just loves the T-. but then yeah khloe super harsh. But I call her to be like what the fuck do I do and she's like, okay here's what you do. What about the rear advice I would ask him I. Go to Kim. Yeah, who's the worst at keeping secrets of all him? WHO's the most laid back? Kylie's pretty laid back. Kylie like I said earlier, she's just kind of like whatever I'm going to have. Kylie's very non-judgmental that there was a stone or who would be Kendo. Alice donor. Really no one knows. I remember really. Who is better at making decisions? It's definitely not going to say the least here. blooper indecisive to probably but I'm the worst post. Yeah you're really indecisive. We're going here. No has Khloe doesn't really travel and stuff Kim is I would say maybe the most decisive. Yeah. You guys should do well. Yet. To do a show. What are we? On Friday I was packed with my passport in my hand suitcases in my trunk of GonNa Drive to Cobb to the airport to go with Kim and Kannada Kabo for one night. Walking out the door to my car I saw Mason in the hallway knows came as being mommy's leaving like mommy don't go and then it was like you know what I don't know it's anyone I'm going to stay home like I'm not worse my God. That's Kinda how I am all canceled I love that though. I hate making play I'm cannot commit i. am the biggest planner and I'm such a committer. But like this past new years I had a real big. And I was like I was like losing my shit I was like I am so indecisive right now I'm losing my mind. Like I can't even do this and I have Salah. Muscles testing that I was trying to teach know where you kind of rock back and forth in your body and you say, yes yes. Yes. No no no, and then you ask the question and then you either either pushes you to yes or no, and so I do that when I can't decide I did that for Kabo really your body discern. Who's the MESSI EST? If it's of Youtube of Courtney? Of all you guys who's the most rebellious Khloe was yes khloe was it's so funny because Katy Perry calls me the Patty hearst of our family. So maybe. ME. I don't know. That's so funny car dash. Is the funniest of all you guys who would you say highly and Riley? Highly in. Rob Robert Robbins sister dynamic. Robs, one, hundred percent the funny I think chloe's the funniest sister. I definitely would not say highly really. I think Kylie. So funny. But I guess it's I. Think She's just as a person, but I don't think she's trying to be funny. I think she's Super Witty those Kim though Kim's really witty. Who Wins in a fight? To Physical No oh, I don't know girl like fight like you're fighting like who usually gets the last word WHO's like between? Amongst, between you guys and then everybody. I don't know maybe me I'm pretty stubborn. Yeah. But you also like you also kind of at a certain point you're like, why are we having this conversation I gotta go. Bow Out areas or like pit bulls we just we like boom I like to win. Yeah. We when we put sonar. When our jar like crunches down, it's really hard to release. Childhood crush did you have a child who when you were little like? Your crush because he's still hot. Benny the jet Rodriguez from the SANDLOT. Swear to God I the biggest crush on how We do this with everyone so we'll start with corny if you could. If you could have something that Kendall possesses meaning about like who she is. Quality of hers that you could take your own. What would it be? I think her. Like, I'm getting there but like her privacy, her real lack of not caring to share to validate the moment. And then I liked that to alleviate from Kendal, I think her like worry her like she worries about things that you know ultimately probably aren't. Important, it's very true. Huge stressor. About everything. So one thing why would take from her her that you wish you possess? Some sort. I think you're like in calm. Because like even if you do stress out about something, you're still just cool and calm I can't I can't do that. I just like I spiral think I'm going to record myself in a freakout. So all of you guys to see that I really do freak out. Woman I wish I could be as like you know like put it aside for like because I can't put things. Aside I'm very like if I'm freaking out any to stay home in out. Can't just like. and then something I would leave from her maybe some of your insecurities. I wish I could like leave from you because you're a bad bitch. Thank you. Bitch. Okay. But when the last thing I would say his advice to people out there who have the Patrick families like ours like yours and you know what like what's the glue? What would you say to people who sometimes struggle in those relationships? The Glue is love and just like I was GONNA say that Like it's there's no you know we love each other no matter what even if we fight, we would always have each other's backs i. think it's also just like understanding each other and. Knowing that everyone has their own shit our. No. True but it's being compassionate. Yeah it is and just like. You know and forgiveness. Totally. Think that just yeah. Yeah. Sibling revelry is executive goose bike Kate Hudson and Oliver. Hudson Producers Allison President editor is Josh windisch music by Mark Hudson and inking a Ankle Mike.

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