20 Burst results for "Mark Driscoll"

"mark driscoll" Discussed on Thank God I'm Atheist

Thank God I'm Atheist

01:41 min | 4 months ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on Thank God I'm Atheist

"We're going to hear now from a guy named Mark Driscoll. We haven't heard from him for a while. Yeah, no. He was a big dude at Mars hill church, and then a whole bunch of controversies started swirling around him. My favorite of the Driscoll controversies was that he paid $25,000 to a marketing firm, which then somehow manipulated the sales numbers and artificially got him to number one on The New York Times Best Seller list. That's delightful. I think that's really funny that he's that kind of a liar. I mean, I don't blame him. You want to be on the list and how great to be number one, but you know a lot more books if you are. Yeah. But he was, it was all a trick. Don't believe the world. Anyway, he's apparently talking again. I don't know why who's allowing it. And the Internet. He's got some stuff to say about one of the biggest religions in the world you may be surprised to learn what it is. Oh, okay. The biggest religion not only in America, but the world, it's not Christianity, it's sex and LGBTQ IA are all denominations within the religion of sex and just as Christianity has evangelists trying to convert people to their way of life. So the religion of sex also has evangelists in addition,

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Boxcutter Podcast

The Boxcutter Podcast

03:59 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Boxcutter Podcast

"Even if i mean think if we only engage with the spirit one percent more in your life that's growth. That's that's that's that's progress. And so that's my per for myself. And that's my prayer for the listeners. Is is that you engage with the spirit. The lives inside of you in to help you to grow ultimately. But we're not done because there's more to the parable this. This is really what why jesus calls him. Why does jesus called guy fool in the end right right. That's where we're going to get into here. So was it just last week or the week before that. You told me about the podcast Christianity today's podcast. Yeah was Last week yeah so Christianity today has put out a podcast on the rise and fall of mars hill and I just would honestly. It's a lengthy podcast. And i was gripped just gripped from the very beginning. We're you the same. Yeah here's here's our here's our days after we. After we started listening both of us stay up late listening to his many episodes as possible. Go to bed. Wake up the first thing in the morning. i'd put it on. It was a true binge. Listen it was a bench. Listen and they're still more coming out so it's not even done but anyway so the really quickly here. It's a lengthy podcast about the downfall of the mega church mars hill that was led by Mark driscoll who was a firebrand and really he didn't just appear to be controversial from everything that's revealed through this. He was very controversial with the things he and that and i mean and the reality was he. Drew crowds like a moth to the flame with his raw personality. They loved that they loved him. Shooting from the hip and being different and that church grew to fourteen thousand people out there in seattle right. Yeah yeah who's it was crazy growth. But the problem was that he wasn't just saying things that were questionable from the pulpit. There's a lot of stuff that you just need to listen to this. But beware you'll be sucked in So have a couple of days to deal with that But i mean he fired. His elders He distance himself from leadership when they were calling for accountability and as things began to really surface and the elders were terrified of him is how it is what i perceive. They were really nervous but so they didn't fire them him. They just said that we want you to take a break and get your spiritual life back on track. There was nothing ever said about that. And instead mark quit and literally well and and one of the things that the podcast said was that he was charged with arrogance abusive and intimidating behavior and bullying. Just crazy to think of that from a pastor. Roy doing such a thing and so Literally the church was there one day and it was gone the next it folded like within just unreal of how it just closed up and you know the more that i listened to it and i was like thinking. How could this happen. What went wrong. And and honestly i went in through waves of sadness and i think you did to the people that had been abused by him. The stories the stories are just horror stories and disillusioned and some of walked away from the church and never came back because of it But here's what i thought about. Mark was busy building his empire. Everything was all about well..

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

04:07 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Help and matt sharp. Thank you so much for the work you do and for being on the program. Thanks for having me art. Long Can you believe that james tour they folks today in our one We had james tour might feature him prominently in my new book. Is atheism dead. There is nobody like him. In fact he sort of responsible for my writing the book. I'm not kidding. He and stephen collins the archaeologist the two of them were. What made me think you know what i need to write this book. i I hope you've pre-ordered several copies if you wanna do your christmas shopping. Now who's gonna stop you if you go to Eric metaxas dot com the baker book link. There may be others. But that one i know is fourteen ninety seven. That's forty five percent offer. The book folks. Nobody is coming near that. So if you want to buy multiple copies you wanna preorder multiple copies. How long that price will last. You understand that's ridiculous. beg my friends. I'm going to buy it get it now. Do the christmas shopping now because grouchy foul. She might cancel christmas again this year. So get it now early. That's right that's right. It's part of the lusa ferrying agenda. We can't talk about that. Let's case so. Here's the here's the point i wanna make. We are doing a fundraiser. With the alliance defending freedom We need to hit it hard for some reason. I know people are probably fatigued. But i want to say that if you give money lines defending freedom. You're basically helping yourself in your country. Because they are fighting for religious liberty. I can never stress it enough and it always sounds like maybe. I'm exaggerating. folks. This is the central issue of our time. Liberty in general but religious liberty is under attack without religious liberty such as we have had for these two hundred and fifty years. Almost we cease to be america. Now if you've read my book if you can keep it you'll understand that a little bit. That is who we are. We have effectively ignored these these ideas. Because we've said oh we're so blessed and we're so free well in the midst of taking her eyes off the ball. Some dark forces have come in who see things differently. And your average americans. Having to fight like crazy simply to preserve his or her freedoms religious liberty is is at the top of the list. I mean people are being threatened by attorney. General merrick garland if they did. I mean you know all the stuff you hear in the news every day. If you want to do something about it please folks. I don't care. I said the other day. If it's the widow's mite or the widows twenty thousand. We hope you understand how serious this is. And when people say what can i do. I don't think it gets clearer than this right here. If you give money lines defending freedom. They're defending our religious liberty. And it's not like there's a raft of these folks out there okay. This is a tiny handful of organizations. That do this pro bono. They take on these cases My employees katie madonna They have gone to eighty f- because of a horrible thing that they are going through right now with an employer trying to force them to take an experimental jabs. So like if you get a blood clot or you die. What can we tell you jam. You want to keep your job. We don't care. I'm just telling you whatever you think of it the vaccine. This is not america when people are forcing you to do stuff like this and if you don't understand that you're not doing your homework. That's a fact what i just said i can give you chapter and verse but not now we need.

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

02:21 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Freedom fighting for you. We know that school administrators Folks in government are by and large utterly gutless. Cowards who also clearly don't care about you and your kids otherwise they would fight so you have to go to the lines defending freedom who do fight. But they need our help. So i i wanna say folks please go to my website. Metaxas talk dot com. You see the banner. We desperately do need your help matt. How long have you been with With with and what is it that makes you wanna do this kind of thing. I've been doing this for over eleven years now and it honestly started with my dad. My dad is now retired as a pastor. And i remember concerns of one day. Is the government going to come knocking on the door because of something. He preached of holding true to gospel truth. And that's what led me into this to make sure that whether it's my dad or others Business owners high school athletes. Whatever they may be that they're never forced by the government to do something or say something that violates the religious convictions. Well i throw this out there all the time when. We're trying to raise money for something. I believe in I say to folks if you'll make a donation of ten thousand dollars to the alliance defending freedom which is as good as it gets in this hour folks. If you want to know what can i do. You can help the alliance defending freedom. But if you'll make a donation of ten thousand dollars it will be my honour to join you and your family or friends for dinner anywhere we can. We can get together. I just put that out there. Because it's fun for me to meet people who care about what i care about who care about the country and religious liberty and i want to encourage anybody out there whatever you can give. We're in a battle right now folks and you're gonna be sorry if you don't pitch in wherever you can. This is just one place but if you don't pitch in now and all of these things go away and you're living in a different country. This is not scaremongering. This is real. I wish it weren't real but it's very very real. People's lives are already being affected. The difference between this country and other countries is we understand. The law is on our side. All we have to do really is fight. That's what does so. I'm going to ask you again. Please go to the lines of freedom. I've got a phone number. If you prefer.

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

04:33 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"To make a donation to find suspending freedom. Why well i've told you. Why over and over. I think they are as good as it gets. There are so many people being challenged in the area of religious liberty. And it's going to be all of us eventually. They're fighting this battle for us. Let me be blunt. it's for us so we might as well help them out because they're doing it for us I thought maybe. I can convince you have one of their senior counsels on To talk about what they're working on your matt sharp. I know you anyway. What case can we talk about that. You guys are working on. Because i want my audience to understand what it is that you do on a daily basis fighting for everybody in america we. We just don't know we go better lives. If you weren't doing this we'd be different. America to be honest. So what are you guys working on right now. One of the high profile cases were actually asking the us. Supreme court to take is one of laurie. Smith and three or three creative So she is a artist a web designer that doesn't credible work and is concerned. She's in the state of colorado concerned that she's going to be forced by the state to design custom wedding sites for same-sex marriages violate her beliefs and according to a federal court of appeals. Yes the government can't force her to create messages to create websites to speak in support of same-sex marriages in violation of deeply-held religious beliefs. I mean i. I just wanna say to my fellow americans that when you're on the right side you're on the right side but it really doesn't matter if people can just push you around so you have to go in some cases to court and what do you do weird you go. The alliance defending freedom is there. It's unconscionable in america. Somebody can say to you. I want you to bake that says i don't know. Think of your favorite offensive statement. Do your i hate women. I hate blacks. I hate jews. Whatever bake my cake. I'm paying you. Money bake the cake. Why should an american have to do that. Why shouldn't american after to create a website for somebody who's promoting something. They disagree with in america. You don't have to do that. The constitution says no we ever loses liberty freedom of expression for and yet it is happening and so if it weren't for lines defending freedom and you matt sharp. You understand this because you are there. If it weren't for you guys taking these cases and figuring out how do we bring them to the supreme court. How do we get our laws to reflect what the constitution says that we've we've got to. It's the work of the law and it takes place in in the courts. Matt you can you talk about what what Governor abbot in texas has been doing with regard to tr- trying to get an again. This is just pure common sense but we are having to fight in the courts for common sense that men should not be able to compete with women in highschool. Talk about that case. So i think a lot of people are familiar with what's going on with men being allowed to compete in women's sports. A lot of it started in connecticut with our clients. Selena soul and others that were losing out on opportunities because of a policy that allowed to guys to compete and in response several states have passed laws that protect female sports to protect fairness and now one is being considered in texas. and what. We're hoping is that. This law will protect every girl not just high school girls but also college girls so that a girl that graduates from high school to college doesn't find yourself being forced to compete against a guy and as you said this not only just common sense but science is backing this up. In fact there was actually a report that came out from a uk. united kingdom group. Today affirming what we all know. Which is that men have advantages over women and those advantages. Don't go away just because you're on puberty blockers or cross sex hormones and that's what texas and other states need to do is to protect fairness and women's sports. I mean the biceps that i have. You know there's nothing gonna make them go away. This is just who i am okay. It is true though. I mean we. I always have to joke because it's so crazy to me that you can have these high school. Male athletes suddenly deciding. I think whether flippantly or honestly we don't know to compete against girls and the reality is they're destroying these girls. Chances getting scholarships and so on and so forth. This is not right folks. It's simply not right..

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

06:46 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Com real faith dot com okay. it's called christian theology versus critical theory. It's important of votes. A balcony has written about this as well that we really understand this and this is a very small book And you're giving away free which is amazing. But i'm kind of amazed that so many in the church are somehow open to these horrible ideas. What do you suppose it is. I guess my theory is that they just don't want to be combative. And they think that's combative. That's maybe mark driscoll. Eric metaxas have a personality to deal with that. I just wanna be nice. I just want to preach the gospel. But the problem is if you don't speak out against something like black lives matter and understand. This is marxism this is not about carrying about other colors. This is this is about harming those people in the name of helping them and you have to confront that but it's a very ugly thing a lot of people i think. Maybe it's not in their personality and they just. They're hoping they can take a pass. I guess that's my. That's my best estimate of why some people are not fighting this. Yeah and what i would say is. There are some who have written on critical race theory. That's one element or application of critical theory. Which is a much bigger issue but most have not hit it from the perspective of spiritual warfare as a christian anna bible teacher for twenty five years teaching through books of the bible. If you believe that satan and demons are real then you have to believe that what is it. Were behind critical theory. And it's a powerful cultural force that has taken over social media it's made its way to throttling platforms. It is brainwashing kids in schools. It is attacking marriage family gender economics politics every area of society. You have to come to the conclusion that behind it are demonic forces at work that this is really god versus satan playing itself out in a very real cultural battle. The first critic in the history of the creation was satan. He looked at god. And god's governance and god's kingdom and said i disagree. I'm going to topple the authority. I'm going to disrupt the order. I am going to change the law. And so what we are seeing is really the war in heaven. Playing out on the critic has come to earth and he wants to dismantle authority and god's presence in every sphere of society and so for the christian of what you say is. I don't do conflict. what you're saying. Is i do welcome the demonic. I like the way you put it because that unfortunately is exactly correct. Wh i really feel that something happened to the church over the decades where we forgot that fighting for truth and justice and for those who are oppressed biblical value fighting is value. I think we've forgotten. We thought that we could just i. I think people kind of come up with this idea that they think that i can just love somebody into the kingdom as though that might not entail fighting for what is right or true and obviously you're saying that you know you can't you can't really be neutral because it spiritual and i love the fact that you're saying this is spiritual warfare because sometimes we've got a call a spade. This is the monarch and the way it has crept into everything so quickly us. I'm tempted to see it. As as an anti christ's spirit or really almost as an end time Anti christ spirit because none of us has seen anything like this in our lifetime. Certainly not in the west. Yeah i would fully totally completely agree. It's like why is it so powerful. Why was it so sudden. Why is it taken over. Every area of academia. Why is it made. Its way into our kids classroom. why is it made. Its way into what bathroom we can go into. Is it affected everything we do. It is because it is a demonic force and satan is always seeking to establish himself as the highest authority in every single spear and realm. And right now. He's got media got politics economics behind him and in the age of social media. Now what we have is we have the ability to brainwash people at the most rapid pace in the history of the world and with kovin and things being shut down and people living online and being filled with fear and then joining in the rage of the day. It just accelerated and exacerbated i think a demonic cult-like brainwashing of an entire planet and the bible does talk about in the last days delusions and deceptions and people being led astray. I'm one hundred percent. Convince that that's exactly what we are seeing. It's interesting i think. Even a lot of christians. They shrink away from the idea of spiritual warfare that they think everything can happen in the intellectual realm the realm of ideas. But we're talking about something it does you can sorta smell it. It has a force. It's nasty it's ugly and it has just metastasis metastasized into every part of culture. That's what i find so extraordinary. And that's why i'm glad you don't just deal with critical race theory in this book. Folks you can get a free copy and real faith dot dot com dot com. You'll stay shutdown. Algae versus critical theory. Yeah you deal. With critical theory gives us the thirty second view of witted critical theory. Come from does it come from the frankfurt school. Does it come from graham. She i mean. Is this just cultural marxism in our time. Yes as a short answer. Yes it does start. In germany at moves out it does come out of frankfort that is ultimately what is happening. But what happens in marxism. The effort is made to create heaven on earth without god and it's replacing god with government and it's the human vision of heaven. It's not god's vision of heaven and so this is playing itself but that is very spiritual. Of course marxism is eight. Theistic it is it is not godly or honoring of the word of god in any way. And so this is a counterfeit. We're going to leave it there. But you have you've wrapped it up. It's beautiful folks. Christian theology versus critical theory. Get a free copy at real faith. Dot com mark briscoe. God bless you and thank you beautiful hater folks if you listen to this program you know that i care about religious liberty and that i've been begging you.

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

03:50 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Seven demons he said you cast a demon out and you don't replace the holy spirit you just get seven more demons and so we see this for example with reimagining law and order in the police. Well if we just defunding decriminalize then what will happen. Well how will come up and take over the earth. That's what's going to happen. You don't get something better and so what happens in critical theory. You're criticizing something imperfect but you're going to replace it with something that is probably far worse for human life and flourishing. You call that justice you call yourself a victim and the result is everyone loses. And we're seeing this in in major urban centers across america. What you said are true if you go to the university you're peering into the future right now on the college campuses. They're educating the lawyers The media pundits there. They're educating the people that it'll be running business politics for the next generation and so what started out as a politically correct speech and safe zones and gender studies and women studies and fat studies and and human sexuality knotty classes. that's gone from the university. now it's gone mainstream and right now if you go to the university you're getting to look into the future. What are we going to have in the next ten years. And it's horrifying well. We know that it's madness. I guess my question is you know somebody famous said that. Something's somebody is so stupid. It takes an intellectual to believe them. You know so. It's not surprising that in the kind of greenhouse of of the university this madness can take over but the idea that it's come into the mainstream of society and worse than that the church. How do you think it's possible that people in the evangelical church could not understand that. This is what you're saying. It is and what i've been saying it is well. I believe everything that god creates satan counterfeit so i believe that critical theory. And that's what we're writing about is the opposite or the counterfeit of christian theology. And so what happens is within critical theory. We're basically good and we're getting better. The bible says were bad and getting worse the bible says that there are unchangeable fixed laws. That come from god. Critical theory says that there is no such thing as law and it's contingent and dependent upon each individual and culture and in christian theology. You own your own failures. Your personal sins in your shortcoming in critical theory. It's not personal. It's systemic the victim of various systems that have oppressed you so rather than repenting of your sin and changing your life. You attack other people and turn yourself into the victim and all of a sudden. You're jesus and you're the good one and they're judas. they're the bad one. And so in the name of justice your job is to attack dismantle everything they say and we see this with canceled culture. We see this with throttling and we see that in the end. Cancel culture is the counterfeit of the crucifixion. We believe that jesus got crucified. Now we ended up crucifying people in their careers and their reputations and christianity. You're supposed to be born again. The counterfeit in critical theory is your welk. and so. that's the counterfeit of being born again. I mean everything is just a counterfeit. What i'm saying is critical. Theory is a cult. It is a new. Demonic religion ideology that has taken over every spirit of academia and culture. And those who would claim to be christian and seek to reconcile these two things are responsible for a massive generational apostasy in the name of tolerance diversity open-mindedness inequality and it's just all misery and it's all just simply untrue. What's the website where folks can get a free copy of this book real faith dot com and it's christian theology versus critical theory. It's just free we'll give you real..

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Pastor Mark Driscoll: 'Everything That God Creates, Satan Counterfeits'

The Eric Metaxas Show

01:48 min | 1 year ago

Pastor Mark Driscoll: 'Everything That God Creates, Satan Counterfeits'

"I believe everything that god creates satan counterfeit so i believe that critical theory. And that's what we're writing about is the opposite or the counterfeit of christian theology. And so what happens is within critical theory. We're basically good and we're getting better. The bible says were bad and getting worse the bible says that there are unchangeable fixed laws. That come from god. Critical theory says that there is no such thing as law and it's contingent and dependent upon each individual and culture and in christian theology. You own your own failures. Your personal sins in your shortcoming in critical theory. It's not personal. It's systemic the victim of various systems that have oppressed you so rather than repenting of your sin and changing your life. You attack other people and turn yourself into the victim and all of a sudden. You're jesus and you're the good one and they're judas. they're the bad one. And so in the name of justice your job is to attack dismantle everything they say and we see this with canceled culture. We see this with throttling and we see that in the end. Cancel culture is the counterfeit of the crucifixion. We believe that jesus got crucified. Now we ended up crucifying people in their careers and their reputations and christianity. You're supposed to be born again. The counterfeit in critical theory is your welk. and so. that's the counterfeit of being born again. I mean everything is just a counterfeit. What i'm saying is critical. Theory is a cult. It is a new. Demonic religion ideology that has taken over every spirit of academia and culture. And those who would claim to be christian and seek to reconcile these two things are responsible for a massive generational apostasy in the name of tolerance diversity open-mindedness inequality and it's just all misery and it's all just simply

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

06:51 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Folks. Many of you already know mark driscoll. If he don't let me see what it says. oh yes. He's the founding senior pastor of the trinity church in scottsdale arizona but he has debated deepak chopra on abc's nightline. He's discussed marriage with barbara. Walters on the view all kinds of ugly stuff. Like that mark driscoll. Welcome to the program. Good to have anybody good to see. Thanks for having me on. It's good to see you. It's good to see you always but honestly you've written a book. The reason you're here today is to talk about. I'm holding in my hand. It's called christian. Theology versus critical theory. A lot of people are at least confused about this new thing. You keep hearing about critical race there. You might theory my thesis. I should say is that anytime. Somebody comes up with a new thing like that. I'm deeply suspicious because they act as though everything you've heard up until now is wrong. Here take this and i think why. What are you saying to me so we were hoping we could get somebody on the program to discuss it. And we found you so mark driscoll thank you. Thanks for writing this. Is this brand new. Yeah and so. It's krista theology versus critical theory. It's free it real faith dot com. I've got a mountain a bible teaching there. I tend to teach through books of the bible. I've been a pastor for twenty five years. I didn't go through a publisher. 'cause i know it would get attacked and cancelled. I didn't put endorsements on it because then all they do is just shoot. Ariza your friends. So i'm just giving away. I think that the greatest threat to christian theology right now is critical theory. I believe it's the counterfeit i believe. It seeks to undo anything that looks like traditional western values. Marriage family sexuality critical race theory is a part of that but it's much much much bigger issue. Critical theory includes gender. Studies ribbon seeing it now with mask. No mask vaccine. No vaccine almost every single cultural collision that we're having is up against critical theory now. Most people i think intuitively sense. Something along the lines of what you said. But they don't have the vocabulary. And i really don't to put these things together. Is it because. I mean when i think of things critical race theory or critical theory immediately i think. Hey this is. Marxism marxism has been taken out of the economic sphere and brought into every other sphere. And what marxists do is they divide people. It is to my mind. Fundamentally anti-biblical another words as bible brings love and forgiveness and it cancelled culture critical race theory. All of these things are dividing. Is that what you're getting at when you talk about masks. No masks are are. We even dealing with it with that issue yet. Every single issue. It's a collision of two worldviews. So the the christian worldview is that there is a god he has lost. Everyone is judged by them. You need forgiveness of sin. We need to love and serve one another the counterfeit of that and so i would put the category spiritual warfare over and all the everything god creates satan counterfeits so what critical theory seeks to do it seeks to make heaven without god seeks to replace fathers and families with government and it creates warfare. It creates collision between those who hold to traditional theory versus those who would hold the critical theory and traditional theory is really how do you build some. How do you build a culture. in economy. A family marriage a society. What happens in critical its deconstruction. It's breaking so you critique gender you critique marriage you critique sexuality you critique private property ownership you critique right to privacy when it comes to medical issues regarding vaccine what these are these are just demolition crews and you know as well as i do building something is really hard tearing it down breaking. It is very very easy and so what you get every day. Everybody wakes up and it's sort of the rage of the day. Who or what are we attacking breaking and tearing down today and the myth is that if we tear down what was built that somehow something better will emerge a better culture a better view of family a better social order and it just doesn't happen. Look at the cities like seattle portland. La san francisco chicago. That are maybe a few years ahead of parts of the other midwestern cities. That are a little more insulated. And it's not working. It's not working. Financially is not working culturally. It's not working racially. People are literally fleeing those places. Because it's just a lie. The lie is that we can make a just orderly good society without god and without law and order. It's amazing because most americans aren't used to this and they thinking where did this come from I had the fortune of misfortune You know going to place like yale in the eighties where this stuff was already entrenched. And i even remember at the time. Just a naive working class kid. I wanted to study the english language that english literature and these weird marxist feminist theories were coming in and it just struck me even then as odd as as somehow unpleasant as as fundamentally negative and it sounds like. That's what you're saying like this stuff is almost like a force of negation. It doesn't wanna build. It just wants to destroy Do you think if you ask somebody who is a big proponent of this stuff that they are they deluded into thinking that there's something happy on the other side that there's some utopia on the other side of the wreckage. Yeah you you mentioned marxism and that is always. Who's the oppressor who's the oppressed. And if i'm the oppressed than justice is attacking and dismantling the oppressor and then the the naive assumption is like if we destroy family if we destroy marriage if we destroy gender we destroy christianity which is happening now and i believe that critical theory is creating a whole generation of widespread mass apostasy people who are giving up basic biblical convictions. But still claiming to be christians and it's exacerbated by social media the throttling of the platforms and organizations like black lives matter which are fundamentally seeking to undo everything that would be some sort of christian value about gender marriage sex and family but the the naive assumption is if we get rid of something. We'll get something better. Jesus had the principle of seven demons he said you cast a demon out and you don't replace the holy spirit you just get seven more demons and so we see this for example with reimagining law and order in the police..

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

01:47 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Has been taken out of the economic sphere and brought into every other sphere. And what marxists do is they divide people. It is to my mind. Fundamentally anti-biblical another words as bible brings love and forgiveness and it cancelled culture critical race theory. All of these things are dividing. Is that what you're getting at when you talk about masks. No masks are are. We even dealing with it with that issue yet. Every single issue. It's a collision of two worldviews. So the the christian worldview is that there is a god he has lost. Everyone is judged by them. You need forgiveness of sin. We need to love and serve one another the counterfeit of that and so i would put the category spiritual warfare over and all the everything god creates satan counterfeits so what critical theory seeks to do it seeks to make heaven without god seeks to replace fathers and families with government and it creates warfare. It creates collision between those who hold to traditional theory versus those who would hold the critical theory and traditional theory is really how do you build some. How do you build a culture. in economy. A family marriage a society. What happens in critical its deconstruction. It's breaking so you critique gender you critique marriage you critique sexuality you critique private property ownership you critique right to privacy when it comes to medical issues regarding vaccine what these are these are just demolition crews and you know as well as i do building something is really hard tearing it down breaking. It is very very easy and so what you get every day. Everybody wakes up and it's sort of the rage of the day. Who or what are we attacking breaking and tearing down

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Pastor Mark Driscoll: 'Building Something Is Really Hard, Tearing It Down Is Very Easy'

The Eric Metaxas Show

01:47 min | 1 year ago

Pastor Mark Driscoll: 'Building Something Is Really Hard, Tearing It Down Is Very Easy'

"Has been taken out of the economic sphere and brought into every other sphere. And what marxists do is they divide people. It is to my mind. Fundamentally anti-biblical another words as bible brings love and forgiveness and it cancelled culture critical race theory. All of these things are dividing. Is that what you're getting at when you talk about masks. No masks are are. We even dealing with it with that issue yet. Every single issue. It's a collision of two worldviews. So the the christian worldview is that there is a god he has lost. Everyone is judged by them. You need forgiveness of sin. We need to love and serve one another the counterfeit of that and so i would put the category spiritual warfare over and all the everything god creates satan counterfeits so what critical theory seeks to do it seeks to make heaven without god seeks to replace fathers and families with government and it creates warfare. It creates collision between those who hold to traditional theory versus those who would hold the critical theory and traditional theory is really how do you build some. How do you build a culture. in economy. A family marriage a society. What happens in critical its deconstruction. It's breaking so you critique gender you critique marriage you critique sexuality you critique private property ownership you critique right to privacy when it comes to medical issues regarding vaccine what these are these are just demolition crews and you know as well as i do building something is really hard tearing it down breaking. It is very very easy and so what you get every day. Everybody wakes up and it's sort of the rage of the day. Who or what are we attacking breaking and tearing down

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

01:59 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Of you already know mark driscoll. If he don't let me see what it says. oh yes. He's the founding senior pastor of the trinity church in scottsdale arizona but he has debated deepak chopra on abc's nightline. He's discussed marriage with barbara. Walters on the view all kinds of ugly stuff. Like that mark driscoll. Welcome to the program. Good to have anybody good to see. Thanks for having me on. It's good to see you. It's good to see you always but honestly you've written a book. The reason you're here today is to talk about. I'm holding in my hand. It's called christian. Theology versus critical theory. A lot of people are at least confused about this new thing. You keep hearing about critical race there. You might theory my thesis. I should say is that anytime. Somebody comes up with a new thing like that. I'm deeply suspicious because they act as though everything you've heard up until now is wrong. Here take this and i think why. What are you saying to me so we were hoping we could get somebody on the program to discuss it. And we found you so mark driscoll thank you. Thanks for writing this. Is this brand new. Yeah and so. It's krista theology versus critical theory. It's free it real faith dot com. I've got a mountain a bible teaching there. I tend to teach through books of the bible. I've been a pastor for twenty five years. I didn't go through a publisher. 'cause i know it would get attacked and cancelled. I didn't put endorsements on it because then all they do is just shoot. Ariza your friends. So i'm just giving away. I think that the greatest threat to christian theology right now is critical theory. I believe it's the counterfeit i believe. It seeks to undo anything that looks like traditional western values. Marriage family sexuality critical race theory is a part of that but it's much much much bigger issue. Critical theory includes gender. Studies ribbon seeing it now with mask. No mask vaccine. No vaccine almost every single cultural collision that we're having is up against critical

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Pastor Mark Driscoll Discusses His New Book 'Christian Theology vs. Critical Theory'

The Eric Metaxas Show

02:00 min | 1 year ago

Pastor Mark Driscoll Discusses His New Book 'Christian Theology vs. Critical Theory'

"Of you already know mark driscoll. If he don't let me see what it says. oh yes. He's the founding senior pastor of the trinity church in scottsdale arizona but he has debated deepak chopra on abc's nightline. He's discussed marriage with barbara. Walters on the view all kinds of ugly stuff. Like that mark driscoll. Welcome to the program. Good to have anybody good to see. Thanks for having me on. It's good to see you. It's good to see you always but honestly you've written a book. The reason you're here today is to talk about. I'm holding in my hand. It's called christian. Theology versus critical theory. A lot of people are at least confused about this new thing. You keep hearing about critical race there. You might theory my thesis. I should say is that anytime. Somebody comes up with a new thing like that. I'm deeply suspicious because they act as though everything you've heard up until now is wrong. Here take this and i think why. What are you saying to me so we were hoping we could get somebody on the program to discuss it. And we found you so mark driscoll thank you. Thanks for writing this. Is this brand new. Yeah and so. It's krista theology versus critical theory. It's free it real faith dot com. I've got a mountain a bible teaching there. I tend to teach through books of the bible. I've been a pastor for twenty five years. I didn't go through a publisher. 'cause i know it would get attacked and cancelled. I didn't put endorsements on it because then all they do is just shoot. Ariza your friends. So i'm just giving away. I think that the greatest threat to christian theology right now is critical theory. I believe it's the counterfeit i believe. It seeks to undo anything that looks like traditional western values. Marriage family sexuality critical race theory is a part of that but it's much much much bigger issue. Critical theory includes gender. Studies ribbon seeing it now with mask. No mask vaccine. No vaccine almost every single cultural collision that we're having is up against critical

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

The Eric Metaxas Show

08:50 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show

"Welcome to the eric metaxas. Show with your host eric taxes. I think we are. We're having a fun show. Oh this is great. It's friday so why. Honestly when i talked to james tour. That was our one today. I i can't get over that guy. He cracks me up. He's so intense and so brilliant. I think i said this that. I literally wrote these dead because of him and because of stephen collins who we had on a few days ago we'll replay that in the next couple of weeks. You wrote this book right. I wrote is the ism dead. 'cause of james tour because of james tour i before we get. I want to talk to you about. You've been reading the book. And i have some fun stuff We can talk about but before we do that. Let me just remind you folks We need everybody who listens to the program to give anything to the alliance defending freedom. Metaxas talk dot com. You think well that doesn't include me. Actually it does if you can hear my voice and that's a lot of you out there. We need you to do what you can for religious liberty. you understand. Your tax dollars are being used against religious liberty and that's the heart of who we are as a people I've talked about that a lot. It's in the news constantly. People are being attacked forced to do things that violate their principles. We have to fight. If you don't fight you become part of the problem folks. you've gotta do anything something. Go to metaxas talk dot com and give I will also remind you real quick. We are on frank speech every day at three. Pm eastern as a tv program so you can see what our hair is doing that day and which we have chosen. Because i have more than one. This red ones very well. You know what sharing the wig adhesives are. Just driving me crazy. We shouldn't talk about that. All right what are we going to talk about. Is atheism dead. We want everybody to preorder the book. The cheapest you can get it. Forty five percent off at eric metaxas dot com in order to get the word out on this stuff. Okay it goes beyond books. The book needs to be a success. Every time i come out with a book. It's a challenge because folks at places like the new york times. They don't like the cut of my jib and they don't even like that. I have agip and they work against you. They don't wanna put you on their bestseller list. Even if the book has sold well so you have to really overwhelm them. So i'm asking for your help bluntly and saying please preorder the book. It orders many copies as you think you will buy pre please do that by pre ordering because their stuff in this book that's gonna make news is gonna upset a lot of people if you've read it. You see what. I'm talking about and by the way album. Yes you are reading it right now. I am the only time. I have to read it. Basically is on the train back and forth from tarrytown every day to come into work. And so i'm only about halfway through the book right now. That's why it's but it's fun. Because i can savor it okay. So now i just got through some of the old testament archaeology that proves that old testament quote unquote stories are real true stories and those are really fun. We talked about hesitates tunnel yesterday. Which was really in credit. Actually i made you was going to check. Okay check please. i'm outta here. no now we're into the new testament stuff. Yeah and i really like this little section here. I'm right in the middle of it right now. The argument from quirkiness. I have to explain. Yeah because that's technically narrowed archaeology. But i do talk about the new testament manuscript. Yes in other words. They've discovered manuscripts that date back. So close to the actual composition of the new testament. I mean if you if you think about it. It was in the first century That people like paul and mark and luke and they were writing these gospels. Right and of course. Paul was writing his. And i don't know the fifties right years after jesus's ascension so imagine that they have discovered manuscripts that go back almost into that first century. When you look at the historical record if you look at what do we know from socrates plato and aristotle and through cities and what do we know we know nothing compared to i mean the comparison. There is no comparison the new testament documents. So i talk about how we know that these are real from the archaeological finds these things. John rylance thing gives me chills. When i think about it. Don't give that away. You have to buy the book a the door you're talking about. I said while. I'm on the subject of how we know this. I said i need to write about how to historians determine. Is this authentic. And you talked about the argument from quirkiness. In other words there things rewritten in the new testament. That are so odd that if you're a student of literature and you bump into that you go wait a minute. Yeah this is real. This is not something that somebody made up. So what was the thing that you were going to bring up just going to bring up the part of the fish because in the bible. This always struck me. I said i'm going to remember this number. If i remember nothing else about everything i've read in the bible. There'a after jesus was resurrected again he comes on the shore and they're they're fishing. They don't recognize my. I says go back out. Come on you didn't catch anything. Throw it on the other side of both. They come back. They had so many fish but this time they actually counted. The fish came. The number was one hundred fifty. Three fish and that was a detail they. They've been usually talk about details. Way back well. Many things many things that there are a lot of people that they read the bible kind of looking for symbolic meaning. And i'm just here to tell you. Sometimes the number is so that there is no symbolic meaning. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes the number is just a number so if the number was one hundred forty four. You'd say woo that's twelve times twelve it's this biblical number. It's in revelation. What do you do with one hundred fifty three if it was one hundred and fifty say well they rounded up or they rendered it down right when you say one hundred and fifty three and you try to make sense of that. The most common sense interpretation is they were so blown away if you were a fisherman at that time the idea of throwing down your net and coming up with a hundred and fifty three fish with that size net and that's is boat. It was so astonishing that they said we're gonna count. We've got account this because we've never seen this many fish. The number was one fifty three and they were right and back. Then it got into the world records. The guinness book of world records for that. It was one forty nine. That's why that's why that's right. The aramaic world book. But you know. Honestly when i look into this i thought there little things in the scripture that are so bizarre that if you're a student of scripture you can't bat it away so a lot of times. When when atheist christopher hitchens are are trying to poke holes in the bible they avoid these things like the plague because they know. I mean if my wife. And i've been reading through chronicles recently this specify specificity of the names and the numbers and it is so insane that there's not a chance that they made this up. I mean it's boring. It's detailed there's a thousand names there's strange numbers and it is so. It's just obvious that they wanted to record. All this stuff. The way with james tour speaking of mr tour or the professor doctor tour in another interview. You do with him. You talk about chronicles. You talk about all these little tedious. No yeah yeah. Yeah very excited to play that next week by. That's right that's right. Well i mean. I guess the largest thing is that there's a. There's a lot of stuff in this book You know it's mostly about archaeology. But i needed to take a detour. When i was talking about. You know when when archaeology is trying to determine is something authentic or what does it mean. This comes into play and so i do a little detour on this issue of the quirkiness and the number one fifty three to me. That's the most dramatic example. Yeah because you want. Wanna say to a skeptic what do you do with that why did they write one hundred and fifty three. There's no way around it. They knew this is the largest haul of fish. It's so insane. They literally counted the fish. And anybody at that time would have said. Are you kidding. That is a miracle. I mean anyway so funny and we were good. No i was just going to say. There's so many exciting things in the in the book and we've talked earlier about just the kids. There were kids that discovered three of the greatest fines in the end chapter. We talked about san..

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on Mega

Mega

05:18 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on Mega

"Drop little naughty words vacates. Yeah and just to be edgy. Like mark driscoll or something. Anyway we had to come up with wearing. Because i almost got in a car wreck whilst trying to make a left on keystone avenue yet such a dangerous innocent and my son day. He was in the passenger seat and when he thought he was about to be smashed by an f. One fifty who was running a red light he goes. Oh my god and and once. I knew we were safe. I day. that was a swear. It's sinful and i want you to ask god for forgiveness and i want you to do it right now. And he goes for what now and i said for swearing. Taking the lord's name in vain. Buddy a yeah and he goes mom. What is swearing. And i said. It's using bad words. And he said so. Swear is a bad word and i says yes and he goes. So what does it mean when someone says like. I swear i will honor your request and i was like oh that means a promise and he goes so not a bad word and i says yes and he goes so a swear is a promise and i said yes and so he said so a bad swear would-be deceiving someone. You know not saying an arbitrary word. And i said we'll we'll yes. And he said so what are swearwords again and i said day just calm curse words. Just come curse words. Okay if that's what you're getting hung up on and day goes well what about when you curse someone mom like. What does that mean to curse. When i said well it means you're wishing them harm and he said so. Cursing is intending harm to someone. And i said yes. That's true and he goes so. Then what are these bad words. That are off limits. And why if it's not you know wishing harm upon someone or breaking a promise. I mean at this point. I you just kinda wishing you had gotten hit by the f..

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on Theocast - Reformed Theology

Theocast - Reformed Theology

07:27 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on Theocast - Reformed Theology

"But please know that when you stand before it on the last day you'll will know that you've had enough inter able to care for so. Don't be wigging out. You know about the size of your church and the size of your assembly and we all are prone to do that. My goodness i mean you were were three pastors three church planners here and it is so easy for your identity to be wrapped up in how many people show up on sunday. I mean that that speaks to the frailty odes in all of us right. That's not to our credit. That's to our shame. You know that we think in those ways I my thought. One one thing to guys as i'm listening to you talking. I reflect back on my experience listening to podcasts. I was struck over and over again by like you were talking about john the baptisms and all the people coming to faith and people who hated the church now in the church. Love the church. It's like look it's clear that the lord did some really great stuff through this like i don't think that can be debated because the tendency amongst evangelicals to win. There's a failure and when this kind of expose piece comes out it's like well. We need literally burn the whole thing down like it never happened like we need so distance ourselves from moscow. Going marciel that anything that ever took place. There couldn't have been from god and it's like you can't do that in a fallen world because if anything scriptures bear witness to the fact that he's always used broken vessels to advance his purposes and that's that's true it's been true for millennia and so i think it's better for us to say you know what the lord obviously was a part of this. He in spite of the sin failure here did some phenomenal. things brought people to christ. I mean stoked f a fire in people's hearts in terms of love for the church and love for their brothers and sisters. And that's the lord's doing It ought to humble us all. I mean that he accomplishes this stuff. Like through our sin and failure not in spite of report from it. No it's right born of the reform tradition. Which all three of us here spouse and hold tune believe that is biblical is a plurality of leaders. Or as we say a plurality of elders. See i grew up in the baptist world fundamentalist baptist world where it may opera Ceo the pastor is basically. You never you. Don't question him and word math and his And i i saw the the impact. I had on my own data. He was a pastor the pressure that put under him. I seeing how it can affect other churches and even though marquette elder's the it was unfortunately you can see the structure where those guys weren't keeping him accountable and it's in many ways they couldn't because the way in which structure that was set up there and i it is scary when one man has that much influence in not much power and and were even changing the bylaws to give him more exactly exactly and i don't wanna make this just you know a bash of of mark driscoll. I think it's a broader problem where we become more concerned about running the church. Like a business where you have a business model and you have bought you have Ceo wars. Yeah and and it's more about the decision making process where pastors become businessmen instead of shepherds. And yes right there about leading this movement which you can hear going back to your point. Justin that everything is about the mission everything is about. What are we trying to accomplish. Which i agree. The church should be on mission but the mission that goes handed to them by god. And it's not the transformation of city in. It's not the mean you you get loss. It's the preauthorized that's right when you look at four. I know we mentioned it. But when paul seems to give clears mission of what the church is when we function as we should we are building each other up into the maturity of the person of christ and somehow we have lost it Two weeks ago. I preach sermon on the shattered church or shattered by the church in because the church has lost. One it's history and to its mission. It runs people over. I mean mark is just an example of hundreds of churches that just run people over because if you show up and you have problems in you in you are your weak and feeble and this church is is is it's like moving somewhere and you're going to drag them down. They just don't have time for that. That time for counseling. They don't have time to carry your burden. Don't have time to sit and weep with you. The thing that paul says weep with those who weep the church should literally if if someone is hurting than we hurt with them but in today's movement. You can't do that because it's more about growth and movement and power and more campuses more more more more more. And i'm looking at going. Look at how many people you have left in the wake of your mission. How can that be the mission of the church really quick before a toss it patrick. I think it's clear that in the early years a lot of that was happening. Like based on my listening to the podcast but then as it evolved in the thing bigger it became all about the growth of the platform. And that's i think. One of the more humbling sobering things that we all need to be mindful of For sure like as we're thinking about about leading leading churches and And loving people Yeah distraught me. John as you were talking about it i agree with you and it seems like that was happening but that was lost somewhat over the course of years. Yeah yeah just a couple of thoughts to piggyback. What has been saying. One of the things i've heard over the years is Healthy things grow right and that is true in part but it depends on how you define growth first of all right. Are we defining that growth by the way that scripture does right versus our our self defined mission right in the way that we've kind of changed the mission and purpose of a church. The other thing is unhealthy. Things grow to write the wheat and the tares grow up together so to just start using the appearance of fruit as justification for doing anything essentially it it really is a manifestation of theology of glory. Right that that the advance of church looks like this. It's this magisterial glorious thing. We're going to take things over instead of fright a theology of the cross where we are simply proclaiming christ caring for each other in a broken world where we are going to have trouble where the things of the world will flourish at times and our glorious to come not here and so i think that is how we define some of those things. We talk about is so important in making sure we're constrained by scripture. Yeah i i think a couple of final observations from million and you guys maybe make yours to one. I was astonished to listen to Almost like to hear driscoll speak with pride about the number of bodies that lay behind the mars hill. Bus like any said. By god's grace it'll be a mountain when we're done And i'm like just interject on that. There's another podcast that interviews about his new church and they literally have a bus parked in the parking lot for that and visual purpose. Yeah so. I'm i'm.

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on Theocast - Reformed Theology

Theocast - Reformed Theology

07:58 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on Theocast - Reformed Theology

"Podcast is patchy crandall. He is the pastor of covenant grace church in or covenant grace columbia as correctly known in columbia tennessee. Patrick we were able to send him down there with about sixty people back in the first week of june and you are three months officially end to church planting and so patrick. It's good to have you here. Brother tells a little about you the church and well but let me continue. Actually there's a little bit more about patrick and then we'll ask him some questions but first of all just so you guys know patrick He is a graduate from westminster. You graduated in twenty fourteen twenty fourteen and was already working in church. Fields church down in What's technically what city was that in. Carlsbad ours background -fornia messier eight years on staff santan ten years dozen. Associate there when the church was well below one hundred and part of the acts twenty nine network and has moved out here last. September joined working with me and we started men's women's bowel studies and in june. We didn't think it was going to happen in june with the pandemic but in june blurred and Are now meeting in columbia in a christian school and Up over one hundred people now so anyways that's Patrick and we'll patrick Tell us brother. One of the things we're doing now is talking about what we're preaching. So what are you feeding your sheep right now. Yeah thanks guys. Thanks for letting me join the conversation. John gets have conversations every week. He has to deal with me but It's great to be able to do this. Been blessed by the cast over the years and thought to be part of the nets. Good to have you here. Thanks bro yeah. So we've just had our three month mark since we started services out from from grace and we've been working through a fijian's a nearly think of a much better book to start a church plant with that rich theology the gospel for the first half and then the practical realities of outplays out starting chapter four. Which is what we just got to so last week we did the first part of chapter four talking about the priority of the unity of the body. Which is really good and kind of pushing back. The conc- idea that trish maturity is about strength and independence. it's actually back humility and love and gentleness and pursuing that unity was really good. And this week we move into the diversity of the church right gifts that god gives for the building up of the body in a fees and love will make another appearance. Yes it as they were since we might be at one hundred episodes. Yeah mode enough. This showed the one. Oh one this zone one hundred and one last week and we really dropped the ball and celebrating. One hundred episodes realized it after we recorded. We're like well. I mean there that went and it came and went. We didn't really say anything about it. Here we go. Yeah the The other thing is. I forgot to mention that that patrick is actually in studio with me. So this is my first ever in studio in person in the recording. Johnny lewis. Say anything about this patrick and his role and the fact that people may see him on the show from time to time. Yeah so two things while we have on here today. patrick is obviously Been a pastor for over ten years now church planting which is always fun to have church planters on the. Theo cast podcast But also he is going to be a regular contributor gear. Going forward means we'll get to see him Every so often covering certain topics. We're going to hand back on we're gonna talk about evangelism every church planters favorite thing to do and maybe how we have Misinterpreted what that means the new testament and how maybe sometimes the fear that we have is not Scripture based that'll be in a few weeks specifically about patrick on as this episode and the first one will Justin you can introduce the subject but Patrika actually was part of the acts. Twenty nine network That mark driscoll started back when it was in just early stages. I think you were in the first twenty churches. that's correct data. really i twenty thirty so bachelors. Kind of been up close and personal. Kind of watching the growth of the ministry and The field shirts that he is added excellent church Pat justin and. I both been there. We had our first. The cast live event there about two years ago which is where we met Patrick and started our conversation and not long after that. I got a phone call from him saying. Hey so what do you think about doing a church plant. Which i said sure figure out how to get the money and we'll do it somehow. He figured out how to get the money so apparently yet he's a gangster in la or something like that so those getting something like that. Hey let's let's jump into. This is important topics. Oh justin please explain why we would want to do something. It's pretty different for us. This is not an unusual podcast. So talk to us it. We occasionally do things like this. But it's quite rare to your point so the title of the episode. I'm sure it has been a dead giveaway for people We are not trying to just do something that's In the realm of click bait by talking about the rise and fall of mars hill today. the podcast put out by christianity. Today has been listened to by a lot of people That's probably an understatement. And i know even in my own local church. There are a number of individuals who are very impacted by mark driscoll by marshall church eaten by acts twenty nine and that whole movement in its early years and people have been affected by the fall of mark driscoll over the last half dozen seven years or so and so we thought it could be good for us given that everybody is currently listening to this content. People who are very familiar with mars hill are listening to it. People like myself who were not familiar with mars hill and really had never listened to driscoll preach I'm probably one of the the anomalies who encountered calvinism in the two thousand wasn't infected by driscoll very much but it doesn't matter everybody's listening to this podcast and it's it's a good listen. It's well done. The content is it's engaging it's troubling it's heartbreaking It's all of those things and people are having strong reactions to it and the three of us are not an exception to that like we're listening to it and we're think we have a lot of thoughts about it as pastors as church planters. And what we thought we would do today. We don't want to oversell what we're doing so you guys. This is not a planned episode. We haven't met this thing out at all. we've talked about a few of our main thoughts with each other before we hit record this morning. But you're being invited in on a conversation amongst the three of us as we are reacting to an interacting with the content that we've listened to that is the rise and fall of mars hill. the podcast. and so i'm gonna kick us off just very quickly with an observation about history and circumstance. It's not all that important in terms of some of the things that we want to get to so it's going to kind of acknowledge this and then move forward from here and get more theological kind of takeaways. So i i think one thing that did strike me guys as i listened to the podcast particularly episode to i think outlines is really well the pump had been primed for a movement like mars hill church and for a man like more driscoll to become what he and it became It you had the rise of the mega church to move it in the latter part of the twentieth century. Then i think the podcasts does a good job of outlining and you had a lot of people in the nineties. Who you know. That's our generation guys. I mean we came of age in the nineties disenchanted with cultural christianity disenchanted with kind of moralism. And all this kind of stuff that we had grown up within the church and we.

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey

The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey

07:01 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey

"Seattle church was planted in nineteen ninety-six and existed for eighteen years and there was this sort of meteoric rise by two thousand seven mark. Driscoll was headlining big national conferences. At the height of the church had fifteen locations in or states more than you know somewhere between thirteen thousand and fifteen thousand people depending on who was counting and how they were counting his church. Numbers but yeah. There were a number of controversies throughout the years or a variety of reasons and all that started to come to ahead two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen resulting in pastor mark driscoll being put on leave and twenty fourteen and during that leave of absence. He resigned as sort of discipline must being prepared for him. So and then the most remarkable i think part of the story is a pastor resigns and then nine weeks later the church closed its doors so it's just an extraordinary collapse and in many ways the reason we're telling the story is i think there are elements of this story that are reflective of much bigger issues in north american evangelical. Okay we're gonna go there. That is so true so many things. Like i told you i ready. I wasn't familiar with mark driscoll and marcel very much before even your podcasts. But i could not believe how quickly the church closed doors after that. I mean i was just like. Oh my gracious so in the very first episode which is called. Who killed marcel. And you set the stage at the very end. You say this and i think i want to talk to you about this. She said why are we regularly. Platforming people whose charisma outpaces their character and then they leave devastation in their wake. And you said something attracts us we buy in and then we watched the collapse like spectators of demolition derby. You ask the question at the end. You said who kills mars hill and you said we all did and i remember that was my first episodes of lists through the end of your first episode and i thought this is going to be good because this is a bigger story than mark driscoll and so i think i wanna talk to you about that. What made you dive in on this story to talk about this because unfortunately i think you could've picked several you know. People whose charisma has outpaced correct character and then they fallen so why the story. I think it's a particularly interesting story for a few reasons. One mark was such a character his moment right. And that's true of a lot of people in a lot of different ways. But you look at sort of american culture in the two thousand and mark has just sort of this outsized version of all of it the hyper masculinity and the sort of genetics. Ethos and there's all kinds of reasons why i think he. In particular he stood out. Some of it was personal to my church was a part of ax twenty nine. I'm two thousand three two thousand and ten and during those years because of music ministry and various things we were part of a whole lot of acts twenty nine events and got to know a lot of marcell guys so some of the people on the podcast. Her friends of mine. And i met mark handful of times during those years as well. He was always super kind to me so you know. I had a familiarity with the story. Personally that made it particularly interesting and yeah and then again like the collapse is just such a unique unique thing. And i think one of the reasons why it's particularly interesting story to tell. Is that our tendency in looking at a story. Like this is to flatten it into two one. Say and you'll see this on social media search for the podcast on social and you'll see people saying all the time asking who killed marcel. We know who did it marked it and you know that's not an accurate answer because the reality situations are complex like mark doesn't become a national and global celebrity without a whole lot of support without a whole lot of platforming and without a whole lot of people who see the flaws and weigh them in the balance and say i'm going to platform anyway. I'm going to stick with him. I'm gonna give anywhere. i'm going to serve anyway. And so there are all kinds of sort of layers of contribution to this. I think are you need to be examined as as much as anything else. Yeah you know. I thought about this a lot people. I've heard say you know every person who works at church should she listen to this podcast and while i don't disagree with that at all i think that's a very valid thing. What you just said also reminds me that every single person who buys a book of somebody who subscribes to your podcast who has a pastor who does ministry also outside their local church. I think it's important for us. As followers of jesus in the culture that we live in north america. Like this matters to us as well. Because you know who killed marciel you said we all did like your said. He didn't do this alone. So where do you when people say. Oh all church staff. She'll listen to this. Like how do you feel about that kind of talk about that. Well you know you mentioned a to like this tendency. We have to spectate. Right like militia derby analogy. I make like it's a part of american culture that we love heroes and we love to watch them burn. Gosh yes and it's much a part of the process. And i think that's where our motivations often go unexamined and all of that and so that's where you know the podcast goes on. We press in more and more and more into the role that we play as as those spectators on both ends of that spectrum as we're weighing the costs to nazar weighing the problems. And so you know when a pastor does something that's problematic that says something stupid or does something hateful which happens all the time. It happens a lot in mark's story. Where where do we draw the here. I can go no further kind of line. And then i think the flip side of it is like i do think the critics deserve a lot of credit and we give them credit on the podcast but what role the critics plays well in calcified and hardening the alliance to of marker the critics of the show critics of mark got it. So if i'm like if i'm sort of mark adjacent and there's all kinds of stuff that he's doing that bothers me. I'm having problematically. And all that. But i'm also getting flamed from the outside from people who are sort of his ideological enemies. That in many ways is like well the enemy there my enemy too. I'm going to buy my guy right those. Those are complicated dynamics that i don't know you know. I don't even necessarily know what to do with them except to say a part of the problem that because we have this polarizing thing we have this polarizing dynamics in our culture. We haven't found a way to do constructive critique that can bring people together around this stuff so the polarizing negatively i think is not the problem. I don't at all wanna make it sound like i'm sort of lumping. The lumping the blame on them at all. But it is a contributor. It is a part of the equation. We have to figure out like. Is there a better way to do that. Is there a better way to do that. Kind of critique and engagement and where we can be more receptive to another you know speaking of critique one thing that i have really appreciated about your podcast that you guys have been making is while there is critique for sure of what happened and even mark it feels like you're being really cautious and also very kind in the way that you are critiquing. Do i wanna say this. It doesn't feel like it's like a bash mark driscoll episode that makes sense. You're taking a wider. look at it. Have you had moments where you've had to pull back and be like. I don't know that we should say that. I don't know that we should put that in there. What does that been like for you in the editing and interviewing process. There's definitely places. We don't wanna go right like i think about not when ago..

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Erick Erickson Show

The Erick Erickson Show

05:44 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Erick Erickson Show

"And i know that this bothers some people but you whether it's nature or nurture it is the reality men and women actually are different and they complement each other in their roles A mother and father play different roles a man and society jin rowley wants to be in some way protector. They may do it in different ways. Summer strong and in arm up and they're gonna fight for their family. Some work themselves to the bone and let their wife stay home with the family. But it's it's they all have different views obt protector. Men in society need some level of guidance and care and society itself has viewed minutes dominant and in the woke culture of the day into the critical theory of the day. Men are oppressor class. They are a dominant class. It had been as a species are bad. They need to be contained and constrained and feminist and mark driscoll as a pastor was a pastor instead. Oh hell no we. We need to be in charge in fact at his church marciel. They'd courage women to stay home with the kids and into work. If you've got to work two jobs to make ends meet so your family can't keep up with jolt us now that you should be doing that. Men go work two three jobs so your wife stay old and you make lots of babies. In one day you would hear at the earth. Now you may not like all of that in fact a lotta people dole but the reality is that men need some level of guidance and in so doing with the guidance men need to have some care placed on how they find their way the world men need to have relationships with other men and part of the off pity off-putting portion of this is that a society has idealized gay relationships that i don't mean this to i don't hear me. I'm not disparaging it. I'm just. I'm saying that we as a society have internalized if you have a deep meaningful relationship with a man maybe you're too gay dudes and you don't even know it. We look at the story for example of jonathan and david in the bible and a lot of people maybe they were actually closley. No they were at a deep meaningful for chip and then need that and and they need some level of feeling like they're in control of their lives and destiny. They need to feel protective of others. You may not like this but you now. One of the problems here is that. We're seeing this bro. Culture developed we see it with the proud boys. We see it now in in i. I thought i've got friends of mine and don't mean to disparage them or criticize them. But it's very this this masculine christianity. Now we've lost the soft touch of jesus and we're back to the jesus who throws punches. We've come back to where mark driscoll was with mars. Ill in men need to. They need to learn to box. They need to go to the gym and throw metals around. Which i love to do and i need to do more of it but nonetheless i hope you see my point that men have felt lost and now these cultures are coming up to To to incentivize min to focus on the masculine nature of male hood through cross fit through exercise through getting together with friends in driscoll's point when he was the pastor at mars hill was that men are either go off in porn..

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"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Erick Erickson Show

The Erick Erickson Show

03:16 min | 1 year ago

"mark driscoll" Discussed on The Erick Erickson Show

"In fact. The gender enrollment disparity among nonprofit colleges is widest at private for your schools where the proportion of women during the twenty twenty two twenty. One school year grew an average of sixty one percent. Some of the schools extend offers to a higher percentage of male applicants trying to close the gap between men and women. there has become in some schools tackett. Affirmative action for boys and women's groups and feminists are upset about this. There is a societal problem here. And there's a larger problem. We need to talk about. So i started listening to a podcast and i can't really recommend the podcast anymore. Because of some of the philosophical objections. I have to how they've covered things in clearly. The agenda running but it was. It was an interesting podcast added. Start events still is interesting. And i need to finish it but i don't endorse it The rise and fall of mars hill. If you're unfamiliar with mark driscoll mark driscoll was a pastor a reformist. She's still old formed reformed pastor. What's what's reform will in. The theological reformed is your calvin i in your orientation you embrace the tulips And total depravity e. I i'm gonna mess up if i go through in my calvin you're gonna get mad at me i am one or reform guy the total depravity Oh i might as well just for curiosity sakes tulip calvinism. Why can't i remember him. Because on too much allergy medicine this morning in my brain is suddenly broken total depravity unconditional election limited atonement irresistible grace and perseverance of the saints. Tulip the theology of calvinism. The acronym tulip if you subscribe to tulip. You're considered reform now. There are some for example. There's some some reformed baptists don't go all along with some of it but nonetheless you get my point. Mark school reform pastor. He's rejected calvinism. He that's where he made us dan. He's had a falling that with church. He fell in disgrace. He couldn't pastor a church so now he's back and he's changed his theology. It's problematic but for a while. now. I've gone off on my own tangent. Got myself lost here. I come back to the trail with this one of the things. That mark driscoll championed as a pastor that gets ridiculed in the marshall podcast that shouldn't is the waywardness of men men in society have a role to play. And if you're a feminist and you believe that men and women are absolutely equal and you're a gala tyrian. There is a natural. I don't i it is in our dna..

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