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Heidi Gardner & Mark Consuelos

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18:59 min | 2 years ago

Heidi Gardner & Mark Consuelos

"Welcome to the bravo clubhouse for the podcast addition of watch what happens live with me andy cohen uh-huh on SNL she slaves every single scotch and on riverdale he's a dill who's this shady batch it's much what happens i with heidi hi day at four p._m. eastern time make sure your subscribe to have a great rusty you're nuts ed good all right well heidi mark came for your questions but before we get to those here's what three things i'm obsessed with tonight i mark may have stopped responding to my repeated question chief of rotten tomatoes who's new book specializes in all the movies that you love to hate rotten movies we love cult classics underrated gems and films enough to attend luanda cabaret was that a night you'll never forget she is my dream girl and the most glamorous woman i've ever seen in my life yes how was the how was the cabaret fantastic and my husband was with me and he's a huge fan now is about what it was like to wrestle cage appa i actually have a few more than i may ask during the commercial but i'm hoping he'll answer some other questions about his co stars here's what let's play everybody i'm your host andy cohen live in the clubhouse with two guests who have been scientifically proven to carry repea- go back to WWAFL TV and tell us do you foresee a kate tanner hookup yes or no ah show and his hiram lodge on riverdale both impresses me increase me out a little crewmates were working with okay let's check them out we have ashton brian kevin and tanner so go to WWAFL dot tv for a i ever ads mark i have questions you pick your answers between the heads of your riverdale co-stars k. j. apple lily reinhart come miller mendez cole sprouse matter nick really i think he's got a good chance at supporting actress yeah okay wanna get started below deck premier tonight and kate was very pleased with what are male personal life k. j. lose the most likely to throw a party in their trailer charles who has changed the most since the show so bad they're good and this is the longest title book ever tomorrow it's joel mir's what's what's the use gosh madeleine had who has the most people sliding into their GM's would you say of this group gosh k j yes of course okay so the mondays at my first doesn't make you laugh then you need to immediately seek out a doctor for a sense of humor transplant from saturday night live it's bravo superman heidi gardner towards me on a little watch season four when it premieres this wednesday on the CW welcome back our friend marcus wayland loyd you guys are going without as you know he used to be a stripper and i don't blame you for that tanner already has the hots for kate which she finds both flattering and highest rated movie on rotten tomatoes right now while the highest rated in the top ten right now at the box offices hustlers a eighty percent certified fresh jalen for the oscar can maybe the girls who is most likely to tell you if they hate your outfit battling okay who grills you the most about your tonight we want to know who is the hottest guy this season ashton brian kevin tanner you saw the premier would would where you going sweetie can i pick like three people three people oh gosh no they're all very professional but if i had to pick a few people oh gosh maybe the girls a you know i've been sliding into who's more likely to real life drama impact their mood on sat elaine patch and charles k who is most a- likely to accidentally reveal spoiler from the show up jay all right thank you very much finally one of my favorite characters what's going to happen i don't think do not now the art don't they all just yes they do and you know i mean it's incumbent on us SNL is angel every boxer's girlfriend from every moving about boxing ever time when the levees throwing punches heidi always snags rings the two of you ever met yeah very good okay i think it's going well so i if you love to watch everything i guess do tonight's bartender is the editor oh maybe like i have three cats and still eat candy watch out ladies aw she's cast new york exploded leads into his inner donna summer when he tells the debt what are you imagine was the first thing he did or said when she became a friend of the show called you okay do you think you chris what's up hey my question is for mark i'd huge fan of riverdale and i wanted to know if there's ever been a time when like behind the scenes when eighty bryant's costume designer came out inadvertently too early sketch ed seat so here's what i viewed sound off on everything going on in the bravo's fear on below dot keet and chef kevin are off to a shaky start who do you think will be the first one hey sarah hi my question is for heidi if you're a real housewives what would be your house tagline i would like to know this funny you don't get involved i would i would i don't think she's ever gone after somebody that she shouldn't have yes it's always it's always an jest she's wow you're right you're right he is hot is totally wow belly cupcakes wants to know heidi what was wednesday went oh wow okay heidi one what is one celebrity you want to a person impersonated on SNL that you haven't already nor z. kelly insulting vicky via pig an emoji solid way to burn in front of me okay if you were emily what would you say to shane about the way treat you on sorry if you don't have your radio and something catastrophic happens and you can't get you can't get some assistance that's when you'll find out what sarah riviera's lose his temper on the other chap cabin okay who would you rather watch ashton would you rather watch him work as a boatswain or is a stripper reaction early clapped back on instagram where he says she shouldn't have oh kelly is really good at clapping back and people on her comments i don't get involved with uh-huh oh ann coulter needs chevy great let's go to joey from delaware on shannon has a good game has good game now that she starts herself back into the dating world i if she's drunk who would it be harder for you to be friends with gina or yuriko or go to dry exactly and you guys are saying yes you think it's going to happen i see you're lucky on a perp walk or not here we go okay melissa ethridge was she arrested yeah okay yes yes it was down she was down there are i guess what it's gametime everybody character joey what's your question hi andy i gotta say i love you and the saint louis cardinals game five yes all right my questions arrested for jeff goldblum was he arrested you're playing against each other so you don't have to agree she is a master has really good but she's always laughing about it always makes me let's go to sara utah be always be on the radio here's the peak who currently does not handle radio eddie's old emily emily she's wound up tight thank you very much hardier all right let's go to chris from new jersey yes disorderly conduct what about dwayne the rock johnson been arrested yeah not even a what about susan serandon a she bonded i mean he just seemed like a laid back super cool great everybody loved him yeah everybody loved everybody loved him and you were telling me that there was not a dry eye at the table read for the episode yeah no yeah it was the you know the the goodbye to him his character so yeah it was when does that air camera oh you're just awful to me do you think bronwyn will convince samarinda threesome with her and her husband now because eddie within lincoln okay arrested yes she absolutely what about jagger has he been arrested no d. had yeah yes no yes arrested variety of reasons as a team ludicrous was ludicrous what you speak right yeah do you guys you know we we have blood transfusions of you do yeah we're smaller people in the clink it is time to play okay i'm gonna walk you through some possible celebrity purpose you guys whether they have done ooh what characters did you do in that audition the boxer's girlfriend yeah i did like your cousin that you haven't seen in twenty years any time all right and cindy lauper yeah and heat we went boating one day in vancouver he took he's a he's a captain of a boat and we offer for a few hours and he just kind of we edges back in jail and while i think the real marks only been around the handcuffs on date nights with callie i wanna see if both of my guess can guess which other celebs have spent time can i pick lee yeah okay actually might be thinking right good the what is your cousin that you haven't seen in twenty years to a these swimming mark doubt okay and i'm wondering you and kelly of looked like smokin heart for thirty years to do it here to some strict diet or what aw no i don't think okay you're both the tweet of pot madame at the lady the number it feels every time and mark seeing stars arrested let's say yes that's how lia remedy has she been arrested what was gonna fall throws a critique of you play a google employee did you hear anything from her i mean she came dead on the show right oh she was awesome is wants to know who was the last all my children co star of yours besides kelly that you were last in touch with oh cameron mathison yeah and everybody thought everyone dying yes yes yeah mark danny affluence still your fondest memory of working with luke perry oh gosh what's your question handy my questions for heidi k. i wanted to know how your SNL addition was like and did you get lorne michaels to laugh at all who is longest running prime time drama and this season we're going even deeper with the law and order SVU podcast listeners subscribe wherever you oh okay yeah no thanks for joss from jersey josh followers activity tab the one where you can see what the people who follow her liking and commenting on suddenly about eight extra hours of free time just opened up in my and kristen you andy and kelly all hang out is there anything that the two of them do that bugs you ooh i like this question podcasts rated film in the history of rotten tomatoes or not the highest ever but it's still a ninety eight percent certified fresh wow so it's still doing very very well wow great film i recently agree i'm damn yes nice haley matteo haleema to my heart one has she been arrested i don't think so she has not been arrested one nicole yeah eddie gardner from saturday night could trello from riverdale joe mears is the ladies day percent i want to thank heidi market joel law and order SVU is now t a- are you going to be doing anymore wrestling scenes in riverdale clause i think we've moved on from brazil more single at i let's go to miranda from sacramento miranda what's your question hey guys my questions for mark i wanted to know when so you've worked with NFL so far left us the most starstruck i'm probably charles barkley all right editor in chief of rotten tomatoes the book so bagger goes available tomorrow is get out still the highest and then a full on boxing match yes i can adult and then you had to fox him with coconut oil on everywhere yes i i liked that it doesn't have to work as much getting blood up and down to work out email what's is there anything what is the highest ever do you know highest ever this year actually the film called parasite which is coming out next month it's a korean film it's great one hundred percent uh to the wheel house just come apart like a cheap suit all over somebody for not having a radio you should sleep with it it should be part of you i'm really social partner in markets vela's now it fresh wow really really solid is there do you know what the highest of all time highs the whole time i have to go and check okay i'm sure the wizard of oz and citizen great pretty far bob last year right he did two years ago and he's childhood idol the tallest person ever i don't know do you know if i'm trying to think we could do that would really annoy think so AM and then do you pitch all the sketches on wednesday the next day read through them what time and it's usually about four thirty my heart mine too oh that's sweet yeah was all my children your big break it was my big break out that was fresh off the boat yet i was just telling you off camera now let's go to bed from texas ben what's your question hey everyone my questions for heidi out of all the celebrity no right no always good time yeah it's always a good time yeah i'm going to think of something thanks for listening to the podcast everybody hope you enjoyed the show remember new episodes go live monday through friday yeah and then how late do you stay if you get a stench sketch approved then does that mean you have to like rewrite or for that means that's another late night right yeah so tonight is monday so when is your writing day tomorrow night tomorrow so how will you be there tomorrow night fix sam is that true well you go right into production so it's like what do you want the character to look like everything see do that and then you start rehearsals and rewrites on thursday wow yeah that's yeah i just love it that they found a way for you and archie to russell doesn't still they showed i did a show with kelly and they showed our our screen test i cannot wait to see chaco goes the news it instagram's getting rid of its best soccer i mean how exciting weeks saturday show

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Equity Shot: Salesforce's $27.7 billion-dollar Slack message

Equity

20:02 min | 10 months ago

Equity Shot: Salesforce's $27.7 billion-dollar Slack message

"Hey everybody this is alex. Hey it's the tasha and we are here to talk just for a second about extra crunch. subscription product. Extra crunch is where a lot of our best analysis and follow up. Stories lives we focus a lot on startups building. And even poke fun here and there. It's true i also wrote a daily column called. The exchange has over on extra crunch and the good news is. If you don't have easy access yeah we have a deal for you. yes you can use. I think the best code there is so. Don't tell anyone who doesn't listen to equity because they're not invited. The code is equity all cops for fifty percents off your extra crunch subscription so head over to tech which dot com slash subscribe. Use that code. Make us look good internally. We say thanks across the internet and now let's do a show. Hello and welcome to an equity shot. Natasha mascarenas with the most exciting slack. Message you will probably get all year indeed sales forces purchase of slack joining me is danny chron crunches managing editor. How are you danny. I'm very behind because they didn't look at slack day. It's perfect perfectly timed episode. In that case i am also joined by alex wilhelm reporter at. Tc alex how's it going. I'm good i'm hype. I love days like this. I love news. I love when things happen. I love and things change. So i m overly caffeinated and one hundred percent here. It is so fun to be at a publication like tech crunch at this time. Because it's just you see all these nerds printing like it's christmas. The moment a deal goes through. And i didn't know two years ago that would be in the spot pretending this is christmas. Took december so today. We're gonna talk about of course the deal but also get into why in the world salesforce would do. This is lack a horrible company. And that's why it got bought. And what does it mean for shareholders. How is the market reacting. In this. Very moment i want to start by asking both of you. Both literally and figuratively. How big of a deal. This actually is it just broke. We have the numbers. Alex movie stars off. The dollar amounts big. I mean just flat out. Twenty seven point seven billion inclusive of both cash and stock. Mostly it appears cash for shares as my reading this but again we're still parsing all the minutia but it's cash and stock. The dollar amounts massive On the strategic side. It's a really interesting thing for two reasons. One we're going to see salesforce. Go back up against microsoft a company that has had a love hate relationship with for as long as i've known both the companies so forget the benef- sought Hand shaky photos. They do insulting every once in a while. They just bought a rival to microsoft teams. Which is a key plank in the current microsoft software. Push i think it opens a key question for enterprise startups which is can you survive well as indeed public company when platform players like microsoft or in your space is there room in the market for startups to go public and st indy. I think it's big big and a big question mark. Danny you're just catching up coming in hot. Tell us what you think i mean. I think it's the first major social acquisitions microsoft acquired lincoln and mid twenty sixteen so that acquisition was twenty six point two billion so i think interesting that you know you have another large kind of sales you driven organization buying a sort of social collaboration and outreach tool and in some ways are like quite similar to i think it's extremely exciting. I don't actually think it's a very positive story. I think slack actually ran into an enormous amount of interference. We can talk about that more. That said i am not as depressed about the situation is maybe alex is over this whole thing like an indie company. It started as tiny speck throws. A game studio became a multinational. Massive success story interest sold. For what twenty seven billion. What more could you ask for. I mean this is an amazing success story. In in in my view it just shows that there's real money to be made building tools that can be bolted onto platforms like google docs microsoft office. Three sixty five and others. I definitely don't talk about. The microsoft dynamics a little bit because there is the question of as an early stage startup can. What if microsoft builds this and. I think we should definitely talk about that. But i do want to get into the fact that we've heard about the deal. Since last week pre-thanksgiving which was horrible for alta crunch are all tech reporters to get such a crazy rumor. How did the stock market. I react when we started getting hints. That this deal was going to potentially happen so two things happened right away. One of which was that salesforce is share. Price exploded twenty five percent in a day. It's up about forty eight forty nine percent from pre news price today but i mean everyone was immediately stoked that salesforce was gonna rock up with an enormous dump truck of cash and port all over stewart butterfield and his extended family on the other hand salesforce investors. Were like oh crap. We're about to back up. A truck. Full of cash dropping oliver stewart butterfield and his corporate family and so sales versus stock dropped by three to five points but was off a little bit today after actually beating kind of market expectations for its fiscal q. Three twenty twenty one earnings report. So i think there's doubt and a little ambiguity on the salesforce investor side and a lot of hype by slack investors. You've just got a big paycheck for holding onto that equity during a more. I don't know as danny kind of intimated difficult period for slack after a long time but being kind of the golden child of sas startups. Yeah i think something that. I'm curious about is what does this mean for. People who invested in slack and kind of expected to have shares of a company. That would have a much longer. Public life cycle public a little over a year ago and to be sold this early into your life as a public company. What does that mean for. Shareholders going forward a cash and stock deal so if your existing shareholder of of technically getting cash. You're not literally going to get it. Probably check in the mail but the argument is should you buy into to salesforce right you back with the company. It's going to salesforce. I think the question is is really i hate. I hate to use the word but synergy when you look at salesforce. How much does salesforce and the platform salesforce going to interrupt with slack to make them better than the sum of its parts. You believe that slack is gonna glue a lot more pieces. Parts of of sales forces products together. I then you should be a bullish on the company. In fact it's going to be far stronger and you're getting it at a discount. I'm a little bit more. What's called analytically neutral You know sales forces for a long time try to do stuff in the productivity and in collaboration space believe there was quip if i recall was a quick or maybe not now q. u. p. Yeah that's too close to other countries that brush brand. It's also toothbrush brand. It's also toothbrush. browser brush. Maybe off needs to brush his teeth more often or something like that as well. Salesforce has for years tried to do a lot in collaboration and it is a collaborative platform in and of itself. But it is not in. My view really owned the productivity space. It does not own the no coat space. These are things that it just does not have success than in the past. The question me is into slack. Give them the entry way you know. The core ingredient the core kind of infrastructure to say now that we have slackened. Everyone's built on top of this communications platform. You know the rest of salesforce. Go on top of that on the other side of this. I just had a An extra live with a j. dass from sapphire ventures. And the reason why i bring that up is j. was an investor in two companies. That salesforce bought Meal soft and exact targets. I literally had the guy an hour before this dropped as opposed to after this dropped so it was perfectly poorly timed to have all the information that i needed but i asked him. Why would slack do this. If the deals announced the end of our childhood we expect and he was like look. If you're slack especially during the pandemic it's relatively hard to get in front of all the executives you get in front of to sell your product. You're just not that big but if you're with salesforce they already have all those relationships. In the ceo's they can get in the room and all of a sudden doors are unlocked for you and my corollary to this is that this is what microsoft has been doing teens. They've been running around with with it as a part of microsoft five the rebrand of office three six five and they've been just landing big enterprise deals maybe slack just couldn't compete with that and needed a way to bring it's brought to market in a way that it just you know. Couldn't buy with with epic. Cash supply had post reckless. But i think. I think what danny's missing in his astute analysis of it not being that bad. It's twenty seven point. Seven billion dollars true for failed game company despite the all time best but what. He's gone forever. I think sold for forty billion to Some company acer as there a manufacturer then forty dollars by duke. Nukem played duke nukem that gave birth forty anyway. What dan is missing is the romance of the independent company. Because but i think we're seeing increasingly. And i don't mean to sound like congress is that there does seem to be a rising tier of companies at the top of the tech industry. That can't effectively win certain segments. Because if there was going to be a company to really challenge. Microsoft's enterprise dominance in software. It was going to be slack. This was the breakout. Fine win and now works for mark. Benef- i mean that just to me is great. Yeah money woo dear lord. I had higher hopes. Because this was supposed to be the star. I i will say on the same front there. I mean i remember slack. Five six years ago talking but like the slack operating system right that they were going to be this platform the store. Everything else altogether failed. I i just think that at some point you have to realize it's irc cat right. It's just it's just a social platform at the end of the day. It's not a place where people didn't work so to speak. It was a place where you communicated about work. And that's potentially the success of where this is going to go forward is now. There's actual work products near and connected and integrated into slack in a way that there wasn't before this kind of brings us to the conversation that we're all talking about from a high level right now. Which is why why is slack. And why did slack end up going this route if you asked me in march two companies i expected to be the strongest going forward. It would be zoom in slack. I think that's why i'm surprised. But the deal is like zoom. Was the success. Stories should have also been the success story. I think alex me and you wrote story in the beginning that they landed seven thousand paying customers in just seven weeks and so where did the tides inge. I think to understand that. I think the right question to ask what happened to all that momentum when slack looked like it was going to be unstoppable if you recall like they drop some news about growth teams jobs. News about growth. Slack turnaround dropped more news about it was fun to watch. If you're outside these companies like we are that's a lot of data and a short period of time which is what we love but if you go back and read slacks last earnings report. They will report earnings on december ninth. We don't have their through oct from. Its but for the first six months of the year through july thirty one they said look we experienced and acceleration in our paid customer growth during the six month period however the rate of growth a total organizations on slack has reverted to a level more in line with trends experienced before kobe to even in july quarter they were seen a reversion to the mean. And i think that's an issue. I think we also saw this similarly as zoom seem to survive this pattern better but you know for instance google offered. It's google meat product. Not just to all organizations but also to consumers as well and you're you always have to remember this is this is like a free bolt on to products that people already. Have you know here at techcrunch and our parent company. You know we're all in google. Docs we don't have any microsoft. We're not allowed to have microsoft excel here. We're not allowed to have excelled boo a. I'm not saying anything keep. Cfo pay attention to. But let me tell you you know the reality is. We use the products that were given in. It's super cheap and effective. When you're already getting ninety percent of platform you might as well bring the rest of on here. And so i this maybe goes to. Alex is earlier point. It is hard to indy. But it's only hard to be indian. These specific kind of non verticalised integrationist sas place. Slack requires the rest of the sweet whereas if you were to do a vertical sas in hr processing or something like that we have one hundred and fifty of those. None of them are integrated in. Trust me i can tell you they are not integrated highsmith half my day. Getting data out of one vertical out of octa into another one. So i to me. I think this is a good success story for slack. The other verticals pass plays out there but one thing. I do want to know because i think we skipped it in the docks. I do want to talk a little bit about softbank because natasha found out on the interwebs that they apparently did quite well. Yeah i think. Alex is the tweet but austin reef of morning brew kind of found interesting nugget. Which is that softbank had invested three hundred and fifty five million in twenty seventeen or two thousand eighteen into slack and now with this deal that same number is worth one and one point seven billion i. It's amazing to me. Because when i think of the vision fund we always think of lay we work and all these other companies. The actual secretive vision funds returns. Actually they buy shares on the public markets really intelligently so as an example these four point nine percent of invidia went through the bubble crash. I hold it for three point. Three billion dollar return on their original investment. You know they always seem to get like the public equity died of things greg. There's always the grid things that are going wrong. So another actual point here of like maybe. They should just invest after companies go public. I never thought i'd say this. But maybe the vision fund is like the inverse of wall street. That's when it comes to making public start new yorker piece turning somewhere in that new yorker piece on venture capital i got. I got paywall blocked by read part of it. He was terrible. Oh danny crichton has the actual physical coffee sitting on the desk and it's sitting in the pile of neon. Sorry that we're not shooting video today because you could have seen danny breakout his his intellectual play. They're trying to wow his. Okay oh here. Of course the person saying that has a bookshelf behind them. That has at least five hundred volumes so few slack you some details later we can take it off sir. Thank you but criticized. Let's let's what else here is interesting. Though i mean we've had a week i mean i gotta be honest like i heard this news and i was like. I'm not going to walk home faster from the cookie shop just to be able to talk about this faster granted. They're really amazing cookies. The double chocolate chip cookies just phenomenal but nonetheless like what is interesting here. I mean this sort of was expected. We've kind of been bubbling couple months. Like what else do we see. I'm going to try and translate this well. So if i don't give me a break but i think a lot of the remote work seed stage startups when i asked them. How are you going to stay important. Offices reopened they always say slack. They always say you enter office. Everyone has slack open. It's the success story and it's why we're going to be successful because this product is just that good while damn selling to salesforce doesn't mean that slack failed. Necessarily we might see a little bit more conservatism. How big the market reached can be for these companies. Because i think that it used to just be like they were. They're a public company. And are maybe the highest valued public company out there but they are one and we can kind of rest are mantle on that so i imagine that seed stage startups are taking this with just a little bit of a little bit of a cool down. I can see that. I think these are going to be hesitant to admit that. I think they're not going to want to cast any cold water on a sector. They put a lot of money into vertical sas. I think we'll be completely an undamaged. I think as danny made the earlier point. But what's interesting is what salesforce has done at this deal. And i just found this out when i covered. I did a short pause partic- on sales forces earnings and if you look at their growth rates there's an interesting trend that i i actually miss read. An almost published articles wrong about they are going to grow about seventy present in the current quarter and they're going to grow about seventeen percent in the next quarter which is the start of their fiscal twenty two and they said that they're going to grow twenty one percent in their fiscal twenty two. I was like how do you go from seventeen. Seventeen to twenty two. 'cause that's a big job at a company doing twenty one twenty two billion dollars of annual rate they'd baked and slacked that so what's so sports has really done is not only cease its growth slowdown in percentage terms. They have bought a revenue acceleration. That i think is material to their goals and one little data point and i don't bring this up to be rude to our experts live. Jessie j but he was talking about the nuances of selling to you. Know to a big company and you know well if you get half of it in stock and then the company goes at thirty percent a year forever. Then you buy do very well anyways and talking about salesforce going around thirty percent. it's around twenty percent. That's a lot slower. And so maybe salesforce was looking around for a place to deploy it in wealth and market cap turns and this plays it thought it could add real value and grow more quickly and if so that says a little bit about sales forces core business and the maturity the broader sierra market and that might have some impacts on the stars endangered is browse. Just shot up. So danny. what's gone wrong. No you didn't get anything right. I think that's exactly right. Look i would. I would actually down and say if you look into the sierra market which which is the stock ticker ultimately sales forces sierra. I'm right in. The compete with microsoft dynamics and a bunch of other players in the space. This to me is an augmentation to actually heighten the competition between microsoft sierra and sales for serum so i actually take it as a a very strong ploy. I think if you're looking for an exit into this market there are now not like maybe one or one and a half to fully able competitors willing to double down a huge amount. And and as ron miller our our colleague described on monday when we were still waiting around to see if this is actually going to happen and blah blah blah you know salesperson has an incredibly long history of actually buying companies for growth. You know they bought exact target per few billion once the indiana somewhere in indiana one of those cities. Indianapolis i think is the major city in indiana state. Indiana is a state. But what are the city's indiana. I think it's indianapolis short where they are from. You know they bought out a bunch of other Huge companies over the years salesperson. I think is gonna continue to do large bet kind of acquisitions. They're not doing these. Tuck ins and we've seen a similar pattern elsewhere like this year. We saw with paolo networks. They bought i think it was called expanse security for nearly a billion dollars getting up that direction was one of the largest. If not the largest palo alto networks has ever done. And for them they have traditionally done smaller acquisitions and bunch of really small where they kind of plug it into their channel and sell so to me. I think this is a story of companies but a lot of money low interest rate environments slower growth. What do you do you go out and you try to find more things to bolt on to sell to add to the story. What's fascinating about that is. It seems counter intuitive. Because why would you go hunting when things are so expensive but if you can buy growth you get that same multiple attached to your revenue gains. And so you're essentially playing the game but it's not really overpaying so long as multiple stay high now if after this deal close sas multiples dropped by fifty percent. It's going to be a mess. I keep thinking about how twenty twenty one will be an even crazier year and so this conversation will definitely continue. I think that's all we have for today. Though we saw slack go from the failed gaming company to now to to a unicorn to a public company to now a salesforce company so a lot of talk about. We will see you all on thursday. Thank you so much. Alex danny and chris okay. Natasha you ready. Is anyone not ready. I mean i mean i'm going. I think that's where we should be.

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Episode 3: The Men That Came Before

Red Ball

26:45 min | 2 years ago

Episode 3: The Men That Came Before

"There are a few names for Sergeant Bill Dalton mentions over and over again the men that came before Him who built the foundation of this case over forty years. They are by far not the only men and women who touched this case so many people have influenced this investigation from Investigators lab technicians analysts and administrators. But there are three standout names the Dolton sees over and over again in reports. Or here's their voices on interview tapes. And it's those three men that I wanted to talk to the most at the outset of this project Don Lindsay Jim Cramer and Stony van trying to get in front of all. Three men was a rude awakening. Something I should've already known in a decades-old old investigation. Time can be helpful but it can also be your worst enemy yes. Technology advances people can be more willing to speak you lose so much people move on physically emotionally or they pass away and every bit of detail. They held in their head the details. That can't be put down on paper because it was a look in someone's eye or a gut feeling all that is gone if this case is going to be solved. It's gotta be now. This is Red Ball Aw I wanted to start at the beginning to talk to the first investigators. Whoever picked up the case Don Lindsay and Jim Cramer Dalton said that he'd spoken with Lindsay and he'd been a wealth of information? He was very sick now. He'd been diagnosed with cancer and he had many days where he just couldn't do an interview. We tried for weeks to sit down with him. One day both he and his wife stopped returning. Dalton's IT calls. We found out that he passed away. It hit me like a ton of bricks. We don't have any more time to waste. It's already been too long doc. From then on I made contacting these men my top priority. I tried reaching out to Stony van. He was the first sergeant right before Dalton but he wouldn't reply to me. Dalton tried reaching out to the van had no interest in meeting. I had one last hope I reached out to retire. Hired detected. Jim Cramer who at this point. I'd met months before at the Burger. Chef the Memorial Kramer invited me out to his home that he shares with his wife and a small L. Dog that I obviously fell madly in love with his wife was so gracious and made us both coffee before going out to their porch to read while we were left at their kitchen table to talk about the case case Jim starts by handing me a piece of paper. He says it's an official statement that he gives everyone he talks to that basically says who used his involvement in the case and that officially. He has no opinion on. Who did this just? The case needs to be continually worked until the Indiana state. Police can prove who murdered these four kids when we got past the official paper and into really discussing the case. Creamer tells me that he joined the department in Seventy two. So he was with the Indiana State police in seventy eight when mark. Danny Jane and Ruth were abducted and when the Burger chef happened in November number. Seventy eight. I was here. I got a phone call on Monday or Tuesday to go to speedway police department. That ain't say four and I went up to the brand burger. I'm not thinking these kids are going to be killed. I'm thinking Somebody told them somewhere than Sunday evening. I went to work mark and I had to run over to the poster. PUTTIN VILLE PAN when I came one of the trooper. There said rather they found those kids from the Burger show and I said where did they find Madison. Uh they're all dead. They killed them down. Ron Johnson County. You could not may over with a feather. That was just a shock so then I ask Cramer. How do you work a case back? Then I've spent so much time looking at how you solve a nineteen seventy-eight case in two thousand nine hundred eighteen. How do you solve in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight? He said the way they operated off. Three by five index. Cards cards that I Sergeant Dalton says still live in the filing cabinet at the Indiana state police offices when a tip would come in. You'd be handed cart and groups of two would run down that lead of all the tips. He ran down. I asked Kramer if he had a favorite. I mean come on. I know your official paper says but everyone has a favorite. I've heard so many really good theories what's yours was amazing. How so so many people can look so good for it? Someone will tell me a story and they can totally Sony on it. I'm a guide and totally believe that. And then I go to the next person who's got their great economic. I'm like damn he looks really good. Sounds Better Donna and I always said we think we're in the dugout with them. We don't know the exact players are and it could be the any of five or six different groups or could be somebody we've never heard of. I don't think he knows who did this. And my mind I think. Think about this every day. Every single by bill talked about Dan and I think that's probably the only answer. Read a book I agreed with Kramer. It's something Dalton has been beating into me since we started working together. which again was months ago by the time I sat down with Kramer? The reason we're doing this now is because of all the advancements in DNA and physical evidence is the only thing that we can nail someone with the knife handle or the gun that we're used it is probably long gone. Even confession isn't one hundred percent. The end all be all if we can't corroborate it with some physical evidence but we don't have physical evidence here at Kramer's House he and I won't be the ones to test anything. I came here to get all of the details out of his head about suspects which there. There were a lot of like a lot a lot when I asked him about all the angles. They ran down over the years. creamer began a chronological story. I'm sure he's played over and over in his mind revisiting every single one looking for the players in the dugout. He said very early on in the investigation. They got a lead. Everyone got really excited about a gun had been found in someone's yard not too far from the restaurant. It was the same type of gun used to to kill Danny and ruth and near it was also a discarded Burger Chef Cup. They were able to find the person who tossed it fairly quickly because just a day or two before the same guy who found the gun in his yard said that two people were lurking around acting super suspicious like they were looking for something which clearly they never found. Police were able to track down. These two suspects because of a traffic violation that they had in the area around the same time and when they polygraphed one of them the the guy looked bad like real bad he had run INS with law enforcement in the past and he was connected to this motorcycle gang but as bad as he he looked as bad as it all looked. The ballistics didn't match the bullets found at the crime scene. As we keep talking Kramer brings up to more theories theories that have gotten a lot of traction over the years one about a big time drug dealer who used this event as a distraction from bombings and another murder in the area area. He was suspected of being connected to yet another theory revolves around a group out of Johnson. County now this is the same group that Stony van talk to should the reporter at Indy Star about the guys were suspected of committing other robberies around Indianapolis and they were the ones who used to visit the Burger Shack Act. Were Jane used to work at before she moved over to speedway this group is one that gets mentioned a lot in connection with this case their names names are familiar to anyone who's probably ever read an article on this case from everything I can find. I know they were stone. Evan's favourite suspects. He was sure that they were the ones but just didn't have the evidence to prove it. I'm not a hundred percent convinced of anything but I will say this. There's something something about this group of men that stands out to me This group that van had latched onto and the group that cramer was talking about now. They were from Johnson County the same area where the victims were killed and left and they would have been very familiar with the area. And maybe this doesn't mean a a whole lot to some people. A lot of people get really caught up in the restaurant itself or where the car was left. But I get really caught up on where Mark Jean Ruth. Ruth and Danny were found in that rule. Johnson County area when I met Dalton. He pulled a map and showed me an approximate area of we're they were all found. He said it was a pretty secluded area but there were a couple of access roads right near each other. The killers picked the one. That was most secluded by luck. Maybe the creamer isn't so sure it was an access road for power lines just like as high high tension lines here ran through there that you went way back up the line you can see on the crime scene photos if you've seen note there's a house back there where I was only house back there. There was somebody from down there. They knew that lane was there. They went there or somebody just looking for somewhere to get rid of four kids. I will say it was. It was hard on and go down there in the weeks afterwards. And you'd almost mess it. It was the drive is almost hidden and this feels important to me. I couldn't tell you why at the time but the same way I believed mark was the key to solving the case. I also think that location in Johnson County is key to creamer went on to talk about a separate guy who caught another departments. I from prison. Apparently he'd been talking a lot saying he knew what happened. And this other agency pulled him out of state prison and brought him to Indianapolis to make a statement they. They kept him for a long time. Then released his statement to other agencies. thinki- may have their guy when Kramer and Don Lindsay got a hold of it. They were less in less than pleased. There was a sloppiest thing I've ever seen in my life. It was obvious to me that they'd feting information he'd walk. Grab through this while he was there in the woods. He saw Jane stabbed. How many times stab wants while? Who stabbed her the second time you know just things I one of the clerks? Okay Sheriff Kramer might not have favorite. But it's clear there are some suspects that he's willing to write off and I don't blame with a suspect pool this big. You have to start start weeding out the ones that don't make sense. He said this guy was just looking for a way out of state prison and he thought that he gives them information on this case it help him. But after Kramer and Don Lindsay reviewed the statement they took it up with the prosecutor who agree that this guy was of no use to the investigation and he was sent back upstate eight. After the first couple of years things die down slowly more and more officers were taken off the case but Kramer and Lindsay. They stayed on. It wasn't until eighty one when they got their next best lead and it came in a really interesting way I grew up in Henry County. He went to one high school did graduate. He was in the Marine County jail. We got a call from a counselor sure. There has nine problem to file but had been into Jane free brother in the jail and the guy thought we ought to talk to him. When Kramer goes to talk to this guy who were going to refer to in this episode as atom? His story is bizarre to say the least and it keeps changing Adams as he was there then he wasn't there he was there again and by the end. He says he was there but he was in. The parking lot of Dunkin donuts and his friend was inside. Ride the Dunkin donuts when all of this went down. So here's his story. It was like what if what if I knew something was gonNA happen. A nine one up here just to see and to summarize his final version was he went up there. They said the Burger Chef and the Dunkin donuts. Both we're GONNA be robbed. They were both supposed to be inside jobs. And that they were GonNa rob they. Whoever however this was was going to rob another place that night the golden ill but he didn't know what the golden was? He thought it was a bar. Well well the Golden Eagle across the street was American End Motel on top of their signs of big Golden Nagel. It was robbed at night at seven thirty so taught as part of following up. This lead creamer went out to see Adam's mother who lived with at the time we we went and talked to her. They live out nave on. I think he was still in jail. when we did it she said she remembered bursch has happened because she remembered kids being medicine and one was a gal from Avon High School. She told us that that night they came home with about the time. Johnny Carson went over Friday night Saturday morning. which would be one o'clock in the morning and made the comment to her there. Something heavy going down at the Burger Chef speedway. How would he know something? Heavy going down if he didn't see something so if nothing else I think we've all learned that in nineteen seventy eight. Everyone told time the Johnny Carson show. But it's an interesting thing thing to note right because as I sat there with Kramer I remembered the witness who said she was watching the Johnny Carson show when she heard someone slammed the door of Jane's car so it could fit. It's tight though they ditched the car will carson his own drive down to Johnson County than backup to Avon which is close to speedway. The problem is the shots were heard by an ear witness in Johnson County. Put The shots at around one twenty in the morning but the human memory is is faulty. Having an I or an ear witness isn't all it's cracked up to be an Kramer says is much too. But these I witnesses and ear witnesses all kinds of make you go just like Kramer. DEB News. Talking to me Kramer had a lot of moments but she can't build a case on one and this goes back to needing physical evidence however when you build up enough moments like this there might be something being there and I had one of those moments when Dalton told me about an interesting report that he'd come across in one of the binders he said. It was the very very last page in one of the binders a report written by Jim Cramer in the early eighties. It said Cramer had wanted to talk to the female I witnessed from the scene again. The one who said she saw the bearded man and the clean shaven man because he thought she was lying. The binders Rangers. Don't go in chronological order. So Dolton hadn't found the follower report yet and we didn't know what Kramer had found. This was huge for me if the eyewitness was lying a why but be this means that for all these years we've been looking for a bearded man and a clean shaven man that might not have even existed of course Dalton told me this like at the very end of the meeting as I'm walking out the door so whoever tells you investigations in real life aren't like the ones on. TV is lying because that is a series cliffhanger. If I've ever heard one Dolton told me to ask ask Cramer about it when I talked to him. And for the entire interview with Kramer I've been dying to bring it up but I didn't have to because the next words out Auto Kramer's mouth answered question so we have Adam in his friend. Adam says he sitting in the car because he knew something was going to go down and he said that his friend went inside side. The Dunkin donuts. Well it turns out that the friend used to date are eyewitness and moreover he was never in her story all those years before she said that no one was in the store. When Kramer confronted her about this in the eighties she tried to say the same gene thing then? They showed her a lineup of pictures. And we got these pictures you know. There are some people look from there. She always said the other guys that are autobiography narrowed it down to like six or twelve pictures. WanNa be one. Being Hoochie dated nope she had known about it. And what about him while he was in there right before I left then I said why are you just telling us it now because they were involved with some take time dope dealers and I was afraid that killed me. I mean those are pretty much our exact words as far as I know. She never retracted her statement about the two men near here the railroad tracks and she still stands by that story today. But it's strange right here. You have this Guy Adam who were expecting to kind of just right off because his story sounds so far fetched but then someone else connected to the case corroborates it even when a dozen do them any good to do so but what if there was no bearded guy and no clean-shaven guy would. This wasn't a robbery gone. Bad Kramer kept working the lead. You gotta work. Until they're dead ends now. Adam says he wasn't involved he just knew what was going to happen. So Kramer. Sm who was it that was involved and what happened. Adam names to guys but who he names is super super strange. Now it's the policy of the Indiana state police to never name persons of interest or suspects which is why we haven't named anyone so far so for the purposes of our episode. We're going to call the two guys that Adam named Tom and Jerry. And here's why it's so strange. that he he named them. Tom had been missing for six months by November. Nineteen seventy eight at the time. Tom and his girlfriend were last. Seen in June of nineteen seventy eight almost a year to the day after they were seen his girlfriend's body was discovered in a fifty five gallon drum outside Mooresville Indiana which is farther south and West than both Johnson County or speedway that. We've been talking about so far. Tom's body auty has never been discovered in the early days. They thought perhaps Tom Killed his girlfriend. But in present day without even a blip of Tom Tom ever on anyone's radar it's assumed he died too and his body has never been discovered. So why is he showing up. In this case people at the time who ran the same circles knew he was missing. It's a weird suspect. Two point two. But it wasn't just Adam who pointed to him Kramer or had heard his name come up years before Adam had come into the picture according to Kramer shortly after the murders a couple of girls who knew Jane Free Three said they'd seen Tom around specifically at Dairy Queen in Abe on one of the girls said that she remembered exactly when because she had just moved and signed a new lease now. This was way back when they didn't know if tom was dead or just skipping town so Kramer remembered this because he thought he could make an arrest. Ask for someone who had a warrant now. He wasn't able to locate tom dead but a year. Later in nineteen seventy nine. When Tom's girlfriend's body was miscount he went back to that same girl and she told me the story? Her version was last time I saw was I was is moving from one place to another. You know I was at the dairy queen that evening. Been Move and mocked up stuck his head in the winter I knew he was on the run run from police sometime but he told her I got a good hideout down south. Nobody's ever going to find. We took her drawing native and but it looked just like his mug picture. She said he used to cure knife in his boot. All the time and people keep saying he was just such a bad guy. Been in a lot of drywall. The He'd have been arrest rest by now. You don't have been arrested twice three times. The odds are probably dead but I went to the apartment complex that she talked about. I am now now. Everybody says it is dead and Jan.. When she was dead the day she move signed her lace was November fourth? Seventy two weeks worth Berge with. So what does this mean. The thing is I don't know I said before People's memories are a faulty. You're more likely to remember stuff if it happened during a big event in your life like moving. But we can't say for sure what I can say for sure for is that. Tom Never surfaced again on police's radar if he was hiding he found a damn good spot. Adam story is that Tom and Jerry loaded the kids into a van and they all drove off together so much changed in Adam story over the years but he consistently put himself close by and said that it was van that they all got loaded into a van. Shir made more sense than a Vega Kramer. Did you try to talk to the other person. Adam name the man that we're calling Jerry. I talked to him for ten fifteen minutes. I'm basically accused him of four murders. I dislike no the answer answer during the unmanned man he never said one word get inside and he didn't say you're wrong kid inside. They are Alabama some. Say a single word Kramer and I continued to talk about theories for a while. We moved away from suspects onto some of the stranger. Details of the case like for example Danny was supposed to be long gone. By the time everyone was abducted. He had called his parents and specifically asked if he could stay late to help close. Jane's Boyfriend Iran recalled that earlier in the day. She seemed distressed and down she just wanted to be held and it seemed weird. Mark Wasn't supposed to work at all that night. He switched shifts with another employee and he actually had tried to back out last minute. But couldn't Kramer tells me that there are people who said they saw mark at a local hangout now across the street from Burger Chef before his shift. He had his head down on a table crying and just kept saying that he didn't WanNa go into work that night. It makes you wonder wonder if any of them had some kind of clue as to what was going to happen. Even if it was just an instinctive six cents that something about that whole day was wrong you. There was actually another employee who came by the restaurant. After twelve. Fifteen in the paper you only ever read about the first guy. Brian Crane but Kramer told me that there was someone else else but when he showed up and told the police had been called he booked it before anyone else would show up. It could have been because he didn't WanNA get involved with. Maybe he was high but he did have how van I could tell you. Twenty more stories like these twenty more rabbit holes with fifty more good suspects. There's been no shortage of stories stories and no shortage of theories without something concrete to support that. That's all it is just story. I think everybody it has good motives but when it comes down to evidence adjusted their hours are we ever going to know. I think we will because the evidence has always been there. There just wasn't much they could do with it back in the eighties. But it's two thousand nineteen now and first sergeant. Bill Dalton is approaching this case in a whole new way next time on red eight ball in in this series was written produced and hosted by me with production assistance from David Flowers. Thank you to first sergeant. Bill Dalton retired detective. Jim Cramer and the Indianapolis State police for their participation Red Ball is an audio chuck original so so chuck. Do you approve.

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Global investing in a world of uncertainty

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Global investing in a world of uncertainty

"Investments are not F._D._I._C. insured nor are they deposits of or guaranteed by a bank or any other entity so they may lose value. American funds are not available outside the U._S.. The following is not intended as an offer to purchase or distribute American funds outside the U._S.. Perhaps I'm Matt Miller. Mrs Capital Ideas Your connection to the lines and insight shaping the world of investments for for a truly global perspective on investing look no further than capital group portfolio manager Mark Denney who's cross-border qualifications are tough to beat raised in Singapore and Malaysia educated in the U._K.. And the U._S. and now splitting time between Los Angeles and London working for global investment firm Mark Racks up frequent flyer miles like few others this gives him a unique perspective on the outlook for global equity markets which he graciously shared with me during a recent trip capital's London office so listen and learn how brexit could affect U._k.. Stops in both the short and long term where he sees compelling opportunities in the U._S. China and Russia and why he doesn't mind find occasionally investing in rubbish now. Here's my conversation with mark. Mark Dennen is an equity portfolio manager capital group. He holds an M._B._A.. In Finance and international business from Columbia Business School cool and a bachelor's degree in economics from the London School of Economics within the American funds family marks a member of the portfolio management teams for the Euro Pacific Growth Fund and the New World Fund among others Mark Welcome to Capitol Ideas. Thanks very much for having me so <hes> since we're in the legendary Abbey Road Studios seems like we ought to begin our discussion by asking you about the biggest story in the U._K.. Maybe since the advent of the Beatles and that SPRAGUE's it. How do you think this dramas ultimately going to play out and how is it affecting in your decisions about investing in U._K.? Based Companies Brexit is pretty unfathomable. I think <hes> listen to someone the other day a comedian describe it as ten people getting into a burger king and six of them decide to leave leave but they asked one of the four people who wanted to stay if they could go to the manager and ask if they could leave two years later the person came back and said yeah it's going to cost you forty billion pines and technically Wang's of left but you can say you've left that Kinda summarize brexit and where we are at the moment. I think that this important things going on you know I mean the Balkanization of the fun of sitting in the taxi he coming out and talking about the Balkanization of the parties. Now you've got this sort of trump like character Nigel garages establish his Brexit Party and I do think that the rise of this brexit party and Spokane is aviation does lead me to think that there's a much stronger possibility people think of a hard Brexit <hes> I think the general public's attitude is is hardening as well so what does that mean from a an investment standpoint first of all it means you get some certainty certainty certainty way you. Are you know your your right secondly. The pound will be week. <hes> there's no question about that. I thought it would it would overreact get assigned to sort of one hundred fifteen hundred ten or possibly something around those levels do. I think it'll be economic armageddon for the U._K.. I believe so I think it will be painful. There's no question will be painful. Initially Ashley is going to be painful for Europe as well and in some respects you represented somewhat weaker position say what does it mean from investment standpoint. I'm thinking more and more of hedging. The pint have an awful lot invested in the U._k.. Because I think is very very great cheap but I also think that once you get some certainty then people can't deal with uncertainty once you have certainty then you can move on so I think short term it'll be painful <hes> but long term it will be fine now. We don't make specific investment recommendations obviously on this show but when you think about the scenario you're laying out. Are there particular companies or sectors that you think are positioned to do well and others that you want there Sara. I'm look I think economically sensitive stuff you want to steer well clear of this is not good for Europe. If I'm right and things can change you know you just the former prime minister Harold Macmillan I think was crazy what he worried about and he said events dear boy the events events can go all sorts of different ways and I it can swing in a date night <hes> but just my my smell at the moment is is direction. How about the European economy generally? How do you think about their? Prospects going forward is a bit like a sort of an old two stroke engine. That's really on you know one and a half strikes. It's just chugging along. The German approach to austerity is clearly not being particularly good and yet it's clear that the countries that have reformed of dumb well so the Irish did a lot of reforms. The Germans have done a lot of reforms back in the early T. thighs and it's been placed two thousand nine the Irish adjusted their economy. The Spanish adjusted their economists Sweden at a currency that they could rely on to get down and take some of those buffers and they had done some reforms as well so these countries have reformed of dumb just fine but it's the Franz there's in the Italy's and lesser extent Belgium that have really struggled because they've done nothing. I'm macron is trying to do stuff now and you can see how difficult it is to reform front. He's got people on the streets. Yeah yeah say my feeling is an it's not controversial as it's just more of the same sort of chugs along when you think about Europe the prospect for European equities which have lagged U._S. Equity Performance. Is there any prospect for that changing in the period ahead. Yeah I mean it's interesting interesting thing to me is against the the U._S.. has become a much growthy market. You know you look at the market caps and this that and the other the fangs if you want to call it that in the whole software universe of lead to a much growthy market in the U._S. that said you'll paying very very high prices for growth in the U._S.. Europe has a much less growthy profile and gross stocks a rat and I would argue that you're paying higher prices for gross stocks in in Europe than you than you are in in the U._S.. Say More about that I was looking at him. Enosis Swiss software company very good company and its own sort of forty times earnings in these very very high multiple. You're expecting an awful lot. <hes> expecting in a brilliant execution and there are a number of other growth companies that do look quite expensive. I do think however the whole value value era in Europe is quite a bit cheaper than the U._S.. Now maybe some of that is I think the you know the U._S. and U._S.. banishments in general have been much more disciplined capital allocators over time the fumble returns fakest than that Pearson in Europe and Asia and maybe that deserves something of a premium multiple because you are your returns. You know necessarily higher. I you know I I used to think that Europe was much much cheaper. I've come the opinion that it's a bit cheaper but that said you know you've got a lot of companies that have low utilization rates particularly in building materials commodities at set for that if you do get a decent pick up in demand and I see that decent pick up in demand the leverage to the bottom line is quite substantial say in general I'd say Europe is a bit cheaper but not a lot cheaper engages a lot cheaper. How about European banks tough place to invest in recent years? I I've had a lot shh in European banks my biggest mistake in two thousand and nine I was like cycles markets to risk and boredom that you you know that times you pay premiums for risk discount suitable for another times you pay discounts for risk premiums autumn and back in March two thousand nine. You're paying big discounts for risk and our Macaca what you calling me out. He said what what do you think and I said well. It's a one decision market. Economic growth for the for the foreseeable future is going to be very tough to find you just go to buy growth stocks and defined gross docs being boredom at the time but actually risk was so cheap then I went off bought in a lot of smelly stuff which very very well in the rebound but what you should have done was really being disciplined unbought growth because growth has done remarkably well over the last ten years but I bought a lot of banks <hes> at times and I think difficult to make the argument for the European banks being a great long-term investment. I mean our trade talk a little bit about your favorite investments in Europe more broadly are there are a few examples of companies where you've <hes> even if there are general tailwinds from a surging economy found interactive. My style is people quote staircase to have them what I try and do is by companies where I feel the you know the in the company's GonNa get qualitatively better over time so you know I don't mind buying smelly things <hes> if I think they're going to get better and I want to do is find tron sell a company on a Har- P Than I bought it on because I tell them. Multiple multiple risk is a big big issue. I mean if you're gross stock today. You better be a great stock in five years time because if you're not you know you're multiples down thirty forty fifty percent and <hes> your share prices collapsed so you have to be very careful about. Fight that and then secondly I you know I like earnings growth visible earnings growth and arising dividends. You've got three levers to your return. You know rising P rising earnings and rising dividend and that's what you call your staircase when it works. It's quite good it but you know it doesn't always work you know Prudential Fund <hes> which is not the prudential P._l._C.. It's an insurance group. <hes> they go to fund management operation <hes> in the U._K.. A Code M._G.. They got <hes> you know if everybody knew what he business in the U._S. Jackson <hes> and then the Prudential Assurance Business in Asia which is growing in the mid teens. We call it the Pru in the U._k.. My mother was cold. Prove as well you had subliminal limited attraction to or repellent. <hes> the Asian businesses about fifty percent of the value growing fifteen percent you gotta dividend yield or just Ni- on three percent sent growing low teens and a p nine and a half ten now. It's competitor Asia A._A.. Selling eighteen twenty times earnings now as much cleaner business because it's one hundred percent <hes> you the the the the protection business <hes> but the Pru over time that fifty plus percent will become a much greater percent and so I would expect P.. E. Of the relative earnings full the P.. Oh you should go up on the P.. As earnings go up the dividends go up. You know you've got earnings. Growing probably like double digit peeve three percent in the may be a bit coming from from the P so that those what I try and look at and that's that's a simplistic mathematics of of how I think about things. <hes> does that mean for something like that. Are you trying to identify the time to buy where you think somehow through your understanding of management that they're about to go through some inflation on to hit those on the staircase. Yeah I look for some optionality as well. You know <hes> what does that mean well optionality in that could be a business that is the people haven't focused on an asset that in a good for free but could really be something. You know whether it's something like <hes> the Daily Mail that has a business. That's been underperforming that could be you know with a big percentage of earnings over time. I'm <hes> something like Softbank. People put no value on the Vision Fund but returns they seem to you making this so-called Internet bubble at the moment make that vision fund which one Hundred Billion Dollars Fund actually look quite valuable and maybe every time the market would ascribe some value to it the moment that kind of ascribing a negative valley so I look at it for those sorts of things where you could see change in perception talk a little bit about other places in in the world that you find interesting things India China. How do you think about those markets now? When you're looking for investments I was a rule a sort of a rule which I'm breaking at the moment <hes> you should really invest in countries where the indigenous population is investing by that I mean if you gave to places like Malaysia the Malaysian Chinese taking that money act you go to China a little? They're entrepreneurs trying to get the money act right <hes> because because they don't trust the system in some respects so the elites are trying to get their money. That's you gotTA. Russia and people are trying to get that money act <hes> but you're breaking that rule you breaking that rule. which is I mean? You say never say never again well. I I listened to some of the stuff. Russia's recently guys went there and you know actually doing much better than I ever thought given sanctions and this that and the other they've they've got a current account surplus their their debts way died <hes> <hes> inflation is done and the government budget is in a in a much better state than Europe with the U._S. and the Russians a small people <hes> I am great entrepreneurs as well <hes> I think it was one of my mistakes and nine hundred thousand nine hundred ninety thinking that Russia would never really experienced capitalism you know you you had the freedom of surf to the end of end of the eighteen and eighteen ninety Israeli eighteen sixties and then a a very small period before communism came in and so I always expected Eastern Europe to be a lot more entrepreneurial because they had a lot more experience before before the second well bull but it's been extraordinary to see how entrepreneurial the Russians of being Italian China you know many many good companies there and you talk about Yeah Index to the Internet and what they've done. Another company is Mobile Feigns etc and there's been a lot of decent innovation as well so i. I find that quite interesting though they you. You do worry hand in your pocket. Sometimes worry about whether these pockets are GONNA be empty. China is another place you know I've been investing because what China's achieved in every we can all argue about high they've achieved <music> but what they've achieved is really quite remarkable and you look. Is this your scale of China. I think that people need to understand. I think you look at some time in China. I never heard of literally. Did you know that I thought I heard my stance in China and it's the size of the New Zealand economy and under the radar on you look at other places the size of Sweden I think Shanghai as my societies Asia I mean scale is just enormous could Schenn's then you know the tier one city allow I remember when they created this special economic zone back in the eighties for Shanzen and you know it was a fishing village we will go on about Israel and Israel's done is remarkable in terms of you know entrepreneurialism but Shinzan to not be Tijuana City China vying Shanghai and and you know you that and <hes> you've been going for decades and I grew up in Singapore Malaysia so I I know Singapore us born the we're going to get to that okay I think Schenn's Nice and Singapore Greenery and on this the other say what's going on in China's quite remarkable so I I have been investing of increase my investments in you're listening to Capitol ideas brought to you by capital group. You mentioned a couple of themes and I <music> obviously a capital group company by company fundamental bottom up investors but there are other themes out there that at least you triangulate off of to try and find company opportunities tech thing I've got thirty percent plus tack across your Portfolio Smile Failures and manifest itself in the semiconductors where I just think that if you can buy something value in the industry is growing eighteen twenty percent. That's actually a longer term investment really quite interesting. MHM and there are a whole bunch of other tech companies the semi cap equipment companies that again you know two or three of them in each specific area so there again northern high multiples earnings aligns again very very cheap so yeah I do. I do all sorts of stuff like that and then I get sometimes take a walk on the wild side which is what well I mean. I got the other some of my colleagues only inequality in a high quality high quality high psychology and I ain't mind buying rubbish if not say rubbish too strong a word and that is you walk on the wild side because it's not a classically exact quality company but that's the business but our art form of active management can look at opportunities like that and say <hes> it's not as much of a disaster as the perception yeah might be interested in <hes> talk about the U._S.. Do you think the U._S. is headed for recession the next couple of years if so does that mean in your becoming defensive in some way and your investment or higher cash when it comes to U._S.. Stuff look the answers. I don't know about a recession I mean would I do if the U._S.. Does have a recession as I said earlier it'll be a difficult recession in the sense that they didn't have the levers that they would normally have in recession of being able to have fiscal stimulus in the sat and the other because the deficit is very very high. You know things like Medicaid and welfare. They'RE GONNA have to go from eight to sixteen seventeen eighteen percent of you know the G._D._p.. Teeth thousand thirty two thousand thirty five whatever you want to call it and there's a big big numbers say I do what's extraordinary in the U._S.. is in this whole Silicon Valley Allie venture capital thing you just wash it in Europe. You'll never see anyone you know spotify space but you won't see people shove a billion two billion three billion four billion whatever numbers as our into companies like Uber Burn An- and other things that enable them to have this extraordinary start and to believe in them <hes> because they've been so many extraordinary successes and that's enabled all of that and we are in this. It's a cliche but this economic transformation that's going on in the U._S.. Clearly in the vanguard of of what's happening and literally technological obsolescence coming along <hes> I keep trying to get my head around this because I do worry that <hes> that as a value which guy in a growth could be a mentor for a lot longer <hes> and the pain could go on for longer than I ever think but you know the price of growth I mean gross should. Should be priced high when interest rates alone I mean that's just a mathematical thing but the price of growth is got CEO high at the moment that I that I think is unsustainable but in the back of my head ide- worry that a value faces risks from technological obsolescence you the Automobile Thomas Driving Cars Generation said went drive cars and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah <hes> and the extraordinary investments in new start ups in the U._S.. Driving things say it's not something that's fully developed in my mind. It's something I worry about. What would you say to investors have given up on international equities in recent years because of the out performance of U._S. stocks? Why should they continue to pursue diversification diversification outside the U._S.? I remember that coming up in the in the late ninety S I remember getting Ryan during the the ratio for new world found on the site and the other trying to launch it and the U._S.. Particular Internet bubble time done really really well and people think you know in Washington by the U._S.. You know and I said well festival. There are lots of industries date reappear in the U._S.. At our I saw the U._S.. With US commodities will add cetera then secondly secondly the devaluations quite cheap thirdly. You've got some wonderful businesses and great companies. I the and the tends to appear swings roundabouts and sure enough in the in the early two sizes and non U._S.. Markets Look better than the U._S.. For quite a sustained period of time now this has been a much greater period of time where the U._S. markets have done a lot better but you don't say what's around the corner. <hes> but what you do know is the mathematics add up the numbers add <hes> peace dividend yields earnings growth etc still look quite attractive and so I think you definitely need to have both of your failure. Let's talk about you in our <hes> quasi lightning round segment because one of the fun parts of capital ideas it is just getting to know a little bit better some of our senior investors and their lives you mentioned you grew up in Singapore Malaysia talk about that a little bit. What was your youth like there? How come you were there? <hes> how how did you end up interested in investing yeah. My Dad was in moved when he's in his twenties. <hes> ended up in the booth business <hes> he he went for sort of one of those British trading companies and they had you know colgate palmolive lines wreck and Komo's all these big big brands runs which they distributed Iran Malaysia because it had a much better distribution all but even colgate would have had those days and then they had to boost business that for whatever reason became unbelievably profitable and I grew up drinking very very nice alcohol with of my dear old dad in Malaysia and it was an extraordinary time because as I said sixties and seventies it was a secular. You know you go out with them a leg it was a very multicultural society a truly multicultural you know you go to cocktail parties and it was everyone was mixed. It was a jumble and I got on it was it was it was quite magical when I went to boarding school in the U._k.. When I was about eight which was quite interesting by then because it was difficult to airplane tickets tickets for Rudy expensive and so you didn't really went back to Malaysia once a year to begin with the summer holidays and so from eight you're educated in the yeah but then the oil your holidays in the end lastly we're in Malaysia and we did a bit you debuted switch between Singapore? Malaysia Malaysia was the fun place keio call them when ended up in Kuala Lumpur and that was a fun city and so how did you get attracted to investing you. Mike how you used to invest in the stock market and he used to tell me what he says with so I used to look at the newspaper figuring every day how they were doing and he taught me through it and you know why he was barring money to go a module or whatever I got intrigued by and so how did you find your way to capital so <hes> I went to Undergrad at London School of Economics so they it was nicknamed at the time the School of Comex Gazette we're always rushing against Margaret Thatcher <hes> and I I went to Columbia business school straight off to the L._l._C. and put my name dying to interview the Capital Group and <hes> it was a guy who bill hut is still still with us. Thank thank goodness. He's just an amazing guy came on campus and awesome wacky questions that he still does today law. This is a bit different than I had to come back to you can interview with John Lovelace in an Willie Stern remember a woolly higher would he was saying so. I had to keep moving much closer and closer to my was about two feet away from him but once these are legends and. Sold legends yeah they all made the effort to come and take prudish George Miller you know they all came and made the effort to come and speak to me <hes> and I joined in within a year moved to the London office with Bill Grimsley in nineteen ninety-three having started nature to the youngest person the cap for many years and now I'm an old whatever now so much we could talk about but one of the interesting characteristics of our culture is humility and kind of honesty about mistakes because it's part of investing biggest mistake. You've made what you I'm nine for. Having the most bankruptcies anyone bill saying nothing ventured nothing gained. I mean there's no question I mean I'll businesses by taking risk group of C._W._r.'s with me in the Bahamas last week which was a Lotta Fun. <hes> and we were talking about this is that you've gotTa make sure that you enable people to take risk. You can't make people frightened if they're frightened of of making a decision because they might get it wrong and get punished in the sat and the other they're going to start hugging the benchmark and the satin the you've got to really we're going to be a result focused organization but we've can't make things too stressful for people because if we do that then I think in all business that you know if you feel under pressure you minimize all the maximize we still need to keep the so slightly liberal environment and so I I do take risk and bankruptcies mean equity it goes to zero yeah yeah yeah that's painful but as you say it's part of a long term process. That's producing results in enabling the risk-taking well. 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Hour 1: 6/24/19

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 1: 6/24/19

"Plants capture CO two. What if we could help industrial plants capture it to thank you? We could help lower emissions. It's one way. Exxon Mobil is helping industrial plants be more like plants. The Paul finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the Capital, One sabre card earned four percent cash back on dining and entertainment. Two percent grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms apply. Cried passion, then Patrie of college football lives here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast. Very good afternoon. We have made it to another week of last full week of June a lot going on, and we will get started. Mmediately. If not sooner. Yeah. As we were wrapping up on Friday afternoon, this dropped radically after everyone had gone home for the day, US, UGA dismissing wide receiver Holloman after an incident that had occurred more than a year. Earlier, breeding, a lot of questions to just when did you know, and what made their decision final Friday night, regardless, they are without their best wide receiver heading into the nineteen season. Meanwhile, a very sad news to pass along Gary Pinkel who stepped down at Missouri. A couple years ago due to cancer had apparently beaten the cancer. And now we learn sadly, that the cancer has reoccurred. We certainly are thinking of coach in his family. That's a very difficult time. While this came up on our program about scheduling, we put up a chart that showed it wasn't easy for Alabama to schedule. But they still had one of the worst if not worse, schedule in the country, that tweet got a lot of play and Gregor in the director did something unusual. Maybe not too wise. He responded on Twitter, cease will hurt wrote about it yesterday in his column and I understand some of the frustration by by eight people, they do, get Georgia on the on the conference schedule the next couple of years. The problem is they're non conference. Schedule. There's no chooses and Greg Byrne can consume crag back at anyone he wants on Twitter? But all he does is makes the example of their schedule this year even worse. So we'll get into that a little bit. Of course, your phone calls, of course, but tonight at seven pm the college World Series we're down to two teams one from the SEC, of course Vanderbilt and Michigan one of the last teams to get in. I was thinking today talking to Danny, and Mark. Do we know anyone Michigan? Yes, we do. We know Jim Harbaugh who. Who two years ago called me, Pete finebaum. In this tweet. He said Pete finebaum. The unabashed SEC water carrier really needs to get his facts, straight hash. Mark #alternativefacts, but that was the big story and since then we've still been trying to work out a conversation between the two of us. And I thought you know what we got it. That's have a friendly robbery euro, it's ever friendly bet. And just put out this tweet a moment ago with the SEC facing Michigan and the college World Series finals friendly challenged him. I good friend, Jim Harbaugh if you m wins, I'll wear a Charles Woodson, there's some significance to that. If you live. In big orange country. Jersey to one of your practices. If in win the vandy boys when you become an SEC water carrier for a day. So we just put this tweet out a minute ago. And I've been doing the beginning of the show. I have we heard from coach Harbaugh Mark, Danny anything, any news from Ann Arbor. No. Nothing yet nothing yet from coach. Okay. Well, I mean, do you do you know how difficult it would be for a Tennessee graduate to head to Michigan wearing Charles Woodson jersey anyway, we've got the two water jugs, right here, by the table? In case it listen, I'm an optimist. And I think being the competitive person that Jim Harbaugh is he will respond. I mean, this is not stupid. We're not bidding helmets or hats or. You know, a product of Nashville, a country music album versus some export of Michigan. By the way, does Michigan have an export? Dan ear smart guy. Marcus smart guy. Do they have anything in, in Ann Arbor, to that's, that's a suburb of Detroit is dead anything up there that I would want, or you would want just going to say, navy fourth-round draft picks, but kid rock album kid rock albums. That's actually Harbaugh's actually trying to respond. He's on Twitter, desperately searching for Pete finebaum right now. Right. Well, listen. I don't really first of all, I don't have to worry about going up there. Vanderbilt's going to win probably wrap this thing up in two games or the best team in in baseball Michigan's good. I'm I've been a fan and the, the Vanderbilt Michigan. Access is pretty pretty pretty strong. But I hope he responds. I think it'd be great for, for sports to have Jim Harbaugh have some fun for once in his life anyway, let's get to the call today. Five to four two seven two eight five. We have a big guest list as well. Steve Berkowitz from USA today. He'll join us in few minutes. And what about the HP c he returns to the show talking season after all, and Jeff Brazilio is there realignment in the wind just because you con- is changing conferences, or is that much ado about nothing? You can call now. Eight five five two four to seven to eight five eight five five to four to seven to eight five one other story. We'll get to later in the show, and that's what's going on. That Auburn university you may have seen another news dump late. And I mean very late like close to midnight on Friday night. It was reported that Steve Leach. The president of Auburn is out pretty much run out by the board of trustees. Why is that significant? He is the man. He is the man who gave Gus malzahn that seven year, forty nine million dollar contract pretty much going against the wishes of the board of trustees. He had one, one critical and keyboard member on his side. Now he is out J Gucci. Former president who retired three years ago, has been brought back to clean up the mess and what it means to the athletic department. Any buddies guest, but we'll get your calls on that as well, it eight five five to four to seven to eight five, let's start with rock in Columbus, Georgia. Rocker? Right. Had. Ball. You don't today. We are doing great. Thank you good as good a little frustrated. But at the same time, it seems like is just every year, somebody from UGA has the has a I guess, not clearly thinking or whatever with the situation with Judy holliman. Now, my thing is did they obvious. I got two questions. One thing that they already know this previously, or does this something that just popped up in seemed like that. You know you kinda find out something like is within a whole year in for now just to react at it. Now is boom. Like that's why. Rock. I, I don't know the answer. I'm waiting for someone from Georgia. Maybe give us some more information we had a bunch of people on Friday night at the time. Nobody really knew. It's hard for me to believe that this incident went unnoticed by Georgia rice. But I don't know. Okay. And then the second part was I will, I will, I will say, what anybody else would disagree with saying Kirby's needs to be held to a standard, which he's been doing an excellent job as compared to mart was his recruiting the, the records of kind of eerily similar kinda of me to the fire. When people say, well, we ought to give a bit of the doubt now to enough back coaching decisions in the playoff game. I mean with the desperate championship game and with the SEC championship game, but I like to tell the fans that, you know, we need stuff getting into relaxed motives and everything's going to be fine. I mean some things that just obvious hopefully that he can learn from these mistakes that he's done. But my sense is I'm just trying to ask you what do you think as far as going ahead? You think that maybe this is our year? Or maybe we maybe two three years still out Rocco actually, the answer is I don't know. Thanks for the call. On paper, I think Georgia has as good a team has had in memory, but it really kind of Alabama season last year comes down to a couple of plays. And Georgia's case, I think they have a real really good shot or running the table during the regular season. So can they beat Alabama? Comes down to that really to two years in a row, they haven't been able to. But that may change. Anyway, lots to do on the program. Look forward to talking to you here and give us a ring at eight five five two four two seven two eight five. We have a lot to do today. Still no word from Jim Harbaugh. So anyone has seen coach Harbaugh today. Either hit us up on the phones or Twitter. We would like to know where he is. And what is he doing because this bets on as far as we're concerned? Tried passion, then pageantry of college football leaves here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one pint cast. New and the phone number eight five five four two seven two eight five. Gary in Virginia he Gary. I'm here. We'll good luck. Can we do for you? Just asking about if you guys in hurt any information on blacks, you're transferring out of Virginia. Take he went to Tennessee and Kentucky this weekend. But I hadn't heard nothing since I tell you what we haven't, we'll update you if we do. But thank you for asking Pete is Gusta Georgia. How are you? Pete. I'm doing Well, Paul. How are you today? Quite well. Thank you. Number one. I'm a Georgia, obviously Augusta Georgia both of my daughters and all my money went to the university of Georgia, but being a native ohioan and the Harbaugh brothers have being native Ohioans. I couldn't stand Jim Harbaugh because he was a turncoat and went to the university of Michigan that was for starters, then he went to the Chicago Bears after Michigan, and he was an embarrassment. They're never liked him in San Francisco when he was a coach. At least his brother had the decency to go to Miami university. And now, of course coaching in Baltimore so Harbaugh is not one of my favorites, but I will give him credit being a suburb of Detroit, and then Arbor, the. That don't forget Detroit gave us classic Motown. They will. You're right. I I don't wanna short sell Detroit. Some of the greatest music. That the that century still is true. True outta love. Aretha Franklin, even though she's dead. Still, you're, you're absolutely right about that. Okay. Now, as far as Georgia, I thought I read, and it goes local Augusta paper Saturday, I think it was, I thought that Georgia acknowledged they knew all about this. But until holliman until he got that hearing which I guess he just had last Thursday. They didn't take any action and the hearing was not good. And that's when they immediately immediately dismissed. Yeah, there's no way they couldn't have known. Yeah. They knew composite. Yeah. Going guidance point that distinction out. Yeah. Okay. So that's it. Thank you very much. Thank you. We've got one good thing Detroit. At one time produced a lot of cars didn't they? It is in Mississippi. Hello, add all how you doing, buddy? Doing great. Listen, Paul Jackson, Mississippi Jackson sports talk radio. I'm we've talked to several times, both downs Bill. He had a piece on this morning where he mentioned, I believe that LSU received a letter of intent to investigate a alumni. I don't know what it says something about someone from the limit. I'm busy I half million dollars from the from the university and pay the football player. And this was in. Yeah. Yeah, the story this is this is the one hundred and eighty thousand dollars from foundation. Right. Listen. I have not heard they've received a letter from the NC, double A. I mean this is a report. That's what bowl down said this one. I wouldn't argue with bows, intelligence level, when it comes to the NC, double A. But if Bokan tell us that they've received the letter maybe he'll give us a ring right now. Okay. We'll go Paul pay some as I was very disappointed about. I watched the interview with the van to be coach about the pay the pay situation, these coaches and Paul, this is just not right. What do you think about that? Yeah. Tim Corbin has been very outspoken there. There's certainly a feeling that baseball gets short shrift on scholarships on, on pretty much everything I, I must say that I don't. I usually try to give an opinion on everything. I can't I don't I don't know enough about it to. I mean I I'm gonna I'm going to defer to coach Corbin. If he believes it he he's in the business. I'm not I trust him on that. It seems to me a lot of people say, you know, the revenue is simply not there for these, it's not. College. Baseball is a great sport, by the way and you're seeing in many parts of the country. These new stadiums. I mean, the one we just saw opened in, in not in bad road that one too. But in, in starkville, it's simply unbelievable. I mean every every school is up grading baseball stadiums. But in terms of shoes revenue, I'm sure, because of a lot of reasons it's, it's not it's not anywhere near the level as other sports. But, but I think he's right about what he has had to say, unfortunately, people don't listen to baseball folks other than about three or four weeks out of the year. Thank you for the call more phone. Call today eight five five to four to seven to eight. Five Allen is in Alabama. You're on the air. Go right ahead. Are you talking to me? Okay. I wonder. No, you think with the president evolving leaving is Gus malzahn stays number. Yeah. I think I think it was a body blow for Mao Zedong to lose the, the one person in a fischel Audran that has been behind him. And that is that was the president. Stephen leash athletic director there. Came in after the fact. And when we interviewed him a few weeks ago, I didn't really feel like you said, anything of great substance, I mean, he defended mel's on right out of a, a boilerplate defense. But since no one really thought he would be heavily involved in that decision with the president there without the president. I think it just comes down to how malzahn performs on the field. I think especially if it's a close call. Mouths on was a close call last year. He survived close call this year. He will have he will have a safety net. Thanks. Thank you. That is a big story. I know we haven't really talked much about it in the first few minutes, but losing your president. When when he's the one who stood up for you a couple of years ago. And he and really, I've never completely understood the malzahn, conundrum at Auburn. He is like I don't think there is a tremendous ground. Swell to get rid of him. I just don't think there's a lot of people that are that would fight to the death to keep them either. It it's a really interesting situation, and I'd like to carry on this conversation throughout the program. If you have if you have an opinion on that, but without without the president who gave you your life raft. How does the situation change and in males on skates? If he has a bad year. I don't think it matters. I think it's really more of the gray area. What is what if what if it's right on that line of demarcation? Tommy is up next and South Carolina. Hello. Tommy. April second time caller. How are you today? We were doing great. Thank you. You were talking last week about football in the seventies in brought to mind something I used to listen to the radio house won't ask you, if you remember a syndicated radio show. Call letters losers. Yeah. Sure. I remember the true. Allow was this interest. What was he actually sent a kid out of Athens, Georgia, I don't know if it was Athens, but it was pretty close. It was it was somewhere. It was Leonard plus stereo, so think is his name. Thank you used to say on the radio host toast. It's. Yeah, but yeah, he was in. He was in a small city in Georgia. It was a great show, by the way it was. But I, I was trying to remember was he Mary accurate. You remember you know, I don't know of anyone really listened to it for that. It was more just something to entertain. But I, I don't know whether ever got one, right? Or not. Well, I just remembered that showed I was go trying to drum up some memories. Yeah. I have that, that's that has come up a couple of times. I believe I met him once. But it was a it was on for a long time. It was a very successful show. Appreciate camp promotion. You have a good day and enjoy your show. Thank you very much. Yeah. It's his name was Leonard posted Terry. Oh, I believe Mt. Yeah. He was from Athens, by the way. You're you're a hundred percent correct. He's a, a graduate of UGA, he died about eighteen years ago. But he he he just had a great way of, of making football in into a fun sounding. Entertaining old school old small town type of literature. Hey, thank you for the call redo appreciate it. We're up against the break member of guests will be dropping by hear more on the game tonight up in over in Omaha. Still waiting for Jim Harbaugh to respond to keep checking. I've not heard from him. Steve Burke, which from USA today will join us next. Cried passion, then pageantry of college football leaves here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast. Will welcome back. Glad you're with us and a lot going on. And we are covering one of these most interesting stories, including this one from USA today. California schools could be banned from championships Bill isn't dropped. This is a lightness situation. C Berkowitz, a great reporter investigative journalists for USA today has looked into this and we are going to try to get him. To explain really what fell about see, thanks so much. I'm glad we got you a smart journalists because I can't figure this thing out. Thanks for the time. Well, first of all, thanks for saying that I'm smart. Well, it doesn't the people out there who would take issue with this. I being a former newspaper guy, I think, well, I was about to correct myself. I was I think the fact that you're, you're in the business and still working and gainfully employed makes you very smart. Because most of his heart still working. Those of us who are still visit to say you're the one is very. But you, you are smart enough to to get a bigger title than than a lot of us. On on the on the editor row of big involved with projects and other things. Way. Anyway, I'll, I'll mean not being too smart. I'm going to defer to you now. And maybe if you wouldn't mind Steve take through. How we got to this point. And what does it really mean? Sure. I mean what do with this started, as, as a as a Bill in the California state Senate, the intent of which is to give athletes at public and private colleges in the state of California, the ability to get money from the use of their own name image. And likeness that's the basic that's the basic thrust and the basic intent of the Bill, and what has happened is that the Bill has made its way maize way through the state Senate legislative process through consideration of committees and some amendments, and then it was voted on by the full Senate, and it was approved by thirty one to four margin. And it is now gone to the state assembly where it again, is starting to go through the assembly. The committee process and tomorrow, one of the two committees that initially have to deal with the Bill is holding a hearing and his scheduled to vote on whether to advance the Bill. So. As we as we go down legislative chaos here. If this thing goes through. The NCW has warned about allowing is it. Oh, is it all teams to participate in the NC double A tournament? Well, I mean, any any team where an athlete would really if you were to game this out any athlete, or any, any athlete who would be making money off of their name, image and likeness under which would be allowed by California law. But barred under the NCWA rules would risk their eligibility and therefore the eligibility. You know, the, the eligibilty of team though where you have sanctions against the team or whatever. I mean if you were to game this all out. So that's what that's what this is coming down to, you know, the letter that Mark Emerson to the chairs of the two committees in the assembly that are to be the first ones to take this up. You know, it didn't say exactly those words, he didn't say if this then that what the what the letter said was that Indian pairs. The NCAA's ability to hold you know, fair national championships. And I think it's, it's a fair reading of this, if you read between the lines, what the NC double A is getting at now, if the Bill were to go through the assembly and be signed by the governor, which I believe if the assembly passes, the Bill, I think there's about one hundred percent chance of Gavin Newsom. We'll sign this into law, and then, you know, we'll see what happens. I mean, the NC double A has a standing committee, that's looking at this issue, and the supposed to be coming back with some recommendations about potentially, how to change the NCAA's rules around athlete's ability to gain compensation from use of their name, image, and likeness, and what data produce this hard to say, but the final report from that NCAA committee is in due to be submitted to the NCW is board of governors their top rules, making group until October, which is about a month after to Cal. Legislative session ends and keep in mind that the legislation in California, even were to become law that law would not take effect until January one of twenty twenty three so you still have time for this to be hammered out in, by the way, I think North Carolina is considering other states are as well. And I'm just wondering you mentioned the long game here. But in the short term, at least perceptively, Stephen, maybe, there are more important things than this. It just seems like the NCW is going to come out of this looking very bad. Well, I mean, Nancy AA is doing what it would it tries to do, which is defended defended system. I mean up to this point, the NCAA central office that, you know that Mark Amherst, the folks who work in Indianapolis have kind of stayed out of this and left the lobbying in California to representatives of the university of California system. The Cal State system, a consortium of private schools, individual athletics, directors the Pac twelve conference and so forth, and, you know, they've tried to sort of stay out of the fray, a little bit here, and I think, for sure there's concerned by the NCWA as an association overall, they don't want states. They don't want better court making their rules for them. They want the ability and they believe they legally have the ability to, as they put it superintendent their own their own setups. So that's you know, that's sort of what they're, that's what this sort of the principle that they're fighting for is their ability to sell. Determine their own rules, Steve. Events take place in, in California. I mean, the national championship took place out there recently. But, but I'm thinking more in terms of, of basketball, regionals, other sports, that are, that are orchestrated and staged out there would would do we know if the NCW would wipe those events out as well. I have no idea whether they would not hold championships in the state of California. It's just, you know, the, the implication here is that if the schools in the state of California are playing by one set of rules and the rest of the schools across the country are playing by different set of rules, then the schools in the state of California won't be able to compete against the, you know, for championships against schools, and other states, I am interested because the it doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like they can do any raw. Right. And when I'm talking about is the Pac twelve run by Larry, Scott. They. Been involved in this or they tried to ameliorate the situation or are they are they lone, man out. No, it's my understanding that people from the pack twelve and from Pac twelve schools have spoken to stay legislators. I mean, during Senate floor debate about this. There was reference made to conversations that state senators had had with athletic directors from schools around the state. So I'm assuming that Pac twelve would be among those that would have been reaching out, you know, so there's been effort made. But, you know, again listening to the debate that was had, which is available on on video. And if people are interested, you can find it on the California legislature website. It's still available through to be viewed, you know, there's just, you know, a lot of feeling on those folks that athletes ought to have this to have this ability to, to make money in this way, and they are willing to risk this run this risk with the state of California in the hope that they can force broader change by the NCAA, which is something that. California legislators have done a variety of issues, nationally, not just, you know in college sports. So they've been they've done this in college sports as well. But, you know, for example, the car emission standards, that are in place in California, sort of set the standard for the entirety of the country. And this is being fought over now. You know with the Trump administration. So this is not new territory for legislators in the state of California to try to, to force change nationally based on their own sensibilities of what's right. And what's not, then there's always a political aspect or the usually a political aspect of everything in this case is there is there a way for these two sides to find any common ground, or he incidentally, so dug in on, on his basic principles on this subject that you're not going to see an accommodation. I it's hard for me to see where there's a point of compromise. When you're talking about the issue of principle, and the and the principal issue for the NC double A at this point isn't necessarily defending system in saying, okay, we'll ask. Elites, you know, shouldn't be allowed to make money off their name, image and likeness. I, I don't think that's what Mark Emerson has said. Either Amherst has said that he would, you know, he's fine with this conversation being had within the membership of the association with the association gets dug in about is the notion that these sociation that is the member schools should be given the ability to make the rules themselves and not have the made not have the rules made for them. Obviously, the counter to that is, well, you know, the schools acting very interests, not in the interest of, of athletes, and that you're in, or too many instances, not in the interest of athletes, or fairness with athletes, and that day need to have their you know, they'd need to have to be pushed. So that's where you have this point of contention. Steve Berkowitz from USA USA today on fairly complex issue that I feel a little smarter Steve. Thank you very much. You, you prove my original prediction. Correct. You are very smart because I now know more about this when I did before. Well, thank you, definitely, appreciate you. Haven't me back on again. Steve, it's always a pleasure. We're usually pepper you with a question after question about coaching salary. So we'll say that for the next time around come back soon. Thank you very much. Outstanding. Reporters Steve Burke, woods from USA today. We are heading toward a break. Steve Spurrier and other Steve, who is also very smart. He'll join us in the next hour and your phone calls as we continue. Book cried passion, and patron Torri of college football leaves here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast, but eight five five two seven two eight five. And again, we, we put out this friendly bet with Jim Harbaugh starting to get a little traction still nothing from her father. Greg is up next in Athens, Alabama. Hello, greg. Hey, Paul hatred for taking my call that you've ever. We'll hear from Jim. Now he doesn't like drinking healthy nutritious, SEC water. You're right about that. Anyways, I call it the Stephen leaf firing over the weekend. And my first thought was well there goes Gus malzahn, and I think we're really impacts him is in as you call it a gray area. So no. Essentially be wins by who he wins or loses to and most of the my Auburn friends around here, get frustrated with us, not necessarily for the record. It's the inconsistency and, you know, losing or beating Alabama and Georgia one year but losing three or four games. And after his, you know, auspicious beginning in two thousand thirteen everybody thought that this was going to be an upward trajectory. And it's been more like EKG rating system. So I, I think that's the problem for Steven leave. Four Gus malzahn, and then another thing is I read this morning, is that Clemson conducted the investigation about its PD use, and the use of Austrian or whatever. And when I released the results signing privacy laws, but I think that's kind of red herring because you can release the testicle figures without releasing personal data. Did you read that story? I have not dug into it as much as you have it. I will. Yeah. So it just kinda interesting because if you've got nothing to hide then you can put it out there. They signing laws. And as one who's worked with for there's a lot of ways to get information out legally that doesn't include putting student, names or personal data into those, and I just don't you know, I think forty or one of those guys who riders premium information request in got some heavily redacted information back from the university, which doesn't say anything, of course. So I just thought that was interested as well. I hope I hope coach Harbaugh takes up your your mantle and will accept your challenge. So would be easy your gas gas. He won't though. It seems like it'd be it's too much fun for Jim to do something like this. Yeah. He's he is. You know, I remember Colin cowherd, interviewed him on radio show on with ESPN remember that wouldn't here, but winter of, and it was almost as bad as that ten minutes, you had with Richard and Bama, Nick and his wife the other night. It'd be objective. I don't think anything was that bad. Greg. I mean, we have not even reached the halfway Mark of the year. That would come Friday that wraps up the first half of the year force or next Monday and already that is leading Lee in strong leading consideration for the worst call of the your, that's the. When you speak about the heights of radio. Dan is the death valley of the final show. That is that's as bad as a guest. We always great to hear from the Greg. Thank you very, very much. Johnny unit. Lanta you're on the air. Go right ahead. How you do it. We are great. Thank you great. Great, great anyway. Couple of comments winners losers. Got talked about earlier. They was Clinton just indicated radio show. Leonard actually had a potent down full page publication. It was available all of the Atlanta package. Snore. Now I did not realize that. Yes, yes. But I wanted to actually some funny about hardball course I certainly don't think he going to take phone. You bet. Thirdly, until don't know your name, but he came down. To football camp and see to go high school and Kent County about three years ago for cedar grove is where the Hazelwood kid came out of this past year to live from Georgia to Oklahoma the receiver, but he was down there in football camp. And he shows up and of all things in that Landau Braves. Hey Darren baseball. Wow. Jersey. Yeah. I mean, I and knock on I'm sixty five years old. Okay. Buddy. Knows about Hank you. But, you know, kids to me, love them, have no. I do Hank, you it is for the call. All shows up with a Manta phrase. Hey, care in jersey on that found that pretty damn comical. You know, pretty common, I think Jim has a kind of a warped sense of humor. I spent I spent a long time talking to his brother-in-law about him in full disclosure. Coach Crean was trying to come together. Beating you'll have a beer summit between the two of us. I, I really was going to do it for entertainment purposes. Didn't really matter a whole lot one way or the other. But anyway, thanks for the call. Coach is up next coach go right ahead. Thanks for taking my call Paul. Thank you prediction. You will not hear from Jim Harlow unless you up, the ante and agreed to where the Charles Woodson jersey and seeing the Michigan fight song. Oh, listen. I mean, if I go to Michigan practice I can assure you I'm not gonna I'm not going halfway. I'll learn I'll learn on west on wiscon- held Vickers. I'm sorry. And. I'll it all even dot the I in Michigan. The house today. That's, that's what a robot. Impulse one question with Yukon possibly going back to the big east, which looks like that's going to happen. Yes. Do you think that's just the death of the football program? Well, first of all the definite football program is when they brought Randy Edsel back for the second go around this is this is the official death. One stat I thought I saw the other day, which I wasn't sure. And maybe you know, this is it true that you con- women have never lost a conference game since two thousand thirteen in math league conference that, that, that, that is true. Yes. I think I saw they were hundred twenty and a and their average margin of victory in the conference was forty point seven points. That's got to be a wreck coach. I hate to run. We're up against the break at the end of the hour. Three more to go. Thank you.

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Hour 3: Phillip Stutts, plus calls

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First of all, what what did happen in the Senate to that I know what you and I've talked to so often about So I watched all two hours and fifteen minutes of no one listening right now half two. Of the hearing today and it was not riveting at all But the headline that I'm already sting out of this is this is the sort of the media's attention grabbing headline, which is They made news by a couple of people announcing they WANNA restrict coaching salaries, which has nothing to do with an eye out and I would just warn everybody that is a huge diversion immediate click date really focused on sort of the name image likeness. This is the Senate Education Committee I'm going to try to keep us real easy and simple. This is not the committee and the Senate that will decide anything they are going to make some recommendations The senator that led that today with Lamar Alexander, who was the former president, the University of Tennessee Vandy alum and he was very adamant in his his personal recommendation that he doesn't believe it's fair for few athletes to get paid most will not get paid under the name image likeness you know a policy that's being discussed and debated and he believed that that money should be pooled. So any athlete that makes money on their name image and lightness should pool that money and it should be distributed evenly to all the athletes at that school if at the athlete doesn't want. To pool their money than they should basically go pro and so that was the crux of sort of the republican side, the Democratic side there's a bill in the Senate right now that sort of the Senate or the NFL bill of rights being proposed by Ten US senators, all democrats including vice presidential candidate, Kamala, Harris This is a much more government intervention approach. I again I think I'd everybody to death if I went to the specifics of it but just know that what that the government gets their hands on a policy it sure to be screwed up and everybody is trying to. Position themselves right now to make news to be on the forefront of the and I'm not sure what the end product is going to be I. Do know that this is a massive. Massive disruption and do college football. Especially when you add the economic impact of the corona virus were billions of dollars are going to be lost this year, and then you add in an I l. which has to be in place by June July of Twenty, twenty one, there's no way around it. I told you this year ago when I was in studio with a nuclear bomb is going to be dropped on college football. This is happening right now and the deadline on this is around July twenty, twenty one. Okay Well, first of all, thank you Philip for watching it for all of us because A anyone who has ever been inside that. Senator, any those Senate rooms are inside anywhere it. is in your, let me move to something else CIA because it is happening as we speak where we think it's happening as we speak and that's the decision by the big ten on surfaces would not necessarily a prompt a political question but it's unavoidable considering the president of the United States has been actively urging the big ten to come back assuming they do. Does it trickle down into the presidential race? Well. It already has and you make a really good point. trump has already gotten involved. They see this as a total total winning issue Paul. My company has done a math did deep dive into Americans are thinking about the economy and the virus itself. We've basically modeled and interviewed and looked at two hundred, million Americans to understand how they feel about this. We're increasingly seeing of the last six weeks is that Americans have come to the realization that certain people are more negatively affected by the coronavirus than? Others, they have come to accept their fate Americans have to know that if they take chances because they have that responsibility and why that's important is that people are starting to be less scared more accepting, and so they don't understand why these conferences whether it's the packed into the big ten are holding out and not getting back to play, and so the trump team probably sees this. I'm not going to speak for them but they probably see this and knows that voters want the distraction of sports right now they know younger athletes can be infected but literally, no one is going to the hospital and they're like come on the common sense to kick in and let's get to play and the president has brought this to the forefront and it's a smart and shrewd political move. and. We're. We're talking about critical parts of the country to realize into those who don't know. Philip he does a lot of things. He spends a lot of time or has spent a Lotta time before. The advent of his company doing political consulting. On the other hand as I say that you've got some presidents in the big ten who are just adamant about not wanting to give in A. What's going to happen if the big ten comes back? What are they going to say then? It is there any more like overt that we did this for? Reasons you. You look at the model that Greg. Thank you of the SEC which is a wait and see approach which was thought out. Of ultimately the the big ten, the pack and did something they. They decided They needed to not fight the political infrastructure in their states and they and I would say eighty percent of the reason they did. It was to avoid lawsuits that the lawyers had gotten involved and this was a pure play to say, Oh, my God we don't want to be sued and so they come back it feels like not lawyer but it does feel like that that they have their hypocrisy will be shown. Talking Phillips. The founder CEO of win big media. Generally before you go. Phillip. I know you've written a lot about this. And that's the what me of of everything we do including the sports media and we just went through the first. NFL weekend I I haven't really been able to compute what it all means. It seems like a lot of people were watching some games. A lot of people were not watching other. Games in relation to maybe a year ago or five years ago. What impact if any? Has the conversation by the? NFL in particular Had on on awareness and interest in the game. It's a really good question I am this is not injecting an opinion We went out and spent a ton of money to understand what American consumers wanted in sports when it came back in June and what we found was eighty seven to ninety, two percent of all Americans across all demographics and all races did not want athletes coming out and talking about politics or woke Kness, and the reason being is that people have. been locked in their homes for months, they wanted to watch sports they were dying to watch sports, but they did it want to be lectured to by a millennial athletes, origins, e athletes they just WanNa Watch sports and forget about life for a while. Everybody is a lot of stress one way or the other and sports has always been an outlet in this country for people to come together and escape reality, and now that reality. Into sports and the majority of Americans. The vast majority American would rather just watch sports forget about life for awhile and high five their friends whether they're white black Hispanic or whatever they just WanNa. Come together they don't WanNa be this've and so it is you know the only thing I can tell you as I reported on the state in June and July, and then the the ratings came back and they have not been good will come back I hope so and I hope that players and coaches and and an. Owners see that this is negatively impacting the way fans WanNa see an ultimately we have been under lockdown for so much for so long and we were under lockdown for so on without sports fall that people just said I haven't watched sport. So I'm not GonNa Watch sports anymore they change their behaviors because of the lockdown in the lack of sports when sports came back and it didn't come back in the form that made them feel safe and secure in certain day to day, turned it off, and that's what we're seeing across the board. And so this is a tricky path going down but that's never stopped me before but you're hearing commentators, reference it I understand that. They are there to talk about the game, but they're they're they're they're broadening their. Their their reporting and narration of the game considerably would you not agree? Everybody every time I've turned on a game. I have heard was the reporters sports, broadcasters of the game bring up something in reference to what is going on in society right now. People have the right to do that fall and and they are expressing their right right now voters sorry consumers have the right to turn on TV if it annoys them enough and I would tell you that the reference it is you have a lot of sports fans out there that feel like they can't speak up because they don't feel like they're racist they don't feel like they harbor injustices against anybody but they feel like if they say that they're going to be you know they're going to be cancelled. And ultimately, dislike I made the comparison, Donald Trump and two thousand sixteen in the key states of Wisconsin Michigan and Pennsylvania had you know was not pulling and was not winning and the polling going into election today and the silent majority came back and voted on the on the in those critical states and put him over the top sports. Fans are doing the same thing right now by turning all sports because they don't WanNa hear it will that change I hope so I really do I hope it can just go back to the Games, but that's what we're seeing across the board within the data. Fantastic south from Philip starts as always Philip. Thank you be well, be careful during. The next couple of hours as that hurricane bears down exactly where you are right now come back soon. Thank you got it is rough if you've just just look at a map and it is frightening to see. What the hurricane is doing to The Gulf coast, we'll take a break more to come as we continue here. On a Tuesday afternoon. 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Let me try to find the best way to answer all of these questions Tricia to say the least we are still dealing with a lot of restrictions and therefore some of the segments that we have normally had on this program with Mark Danny and others We are unable to do right now because of that as far as the the SEC nation show. The initial plan is not to take it out on the road. And one would only hope that later in the year that could change I don't know but I do know that the season will begin with that show being done from various locations. So you will have the SEC nation it just. Still, be on. You know in the past, we would do our Friday show there, and then of course, that's show. But but that is going to be different issue year. We will not be able to to be anywhere but here on Friday, which is which is tough because that was probably my favorite show of the week I mean we'd have coaches and fans and and and obviously would lead into Saturday morning but. I don't know all the details and I don't know wh- exactly what the restrictions are, but it's a challenging show to to take on the road. Right now so In unless something changes might be my best understanding is. Will Not be on campus. But, at least we'll get to see you on Saturdays so that'll that'll be binding. So thank you so much and. You just keep doing what you're doing. We all love watching your show and you do a great job. Thank you Thank you very much. smokey is up next from Tennessee, hello smokey. A doctor sign and your that interview with Phil There I. Think he hit the nail right on the head as good as anybody ever has interviewed like that. But Paul, let me ask you this going to a ten game. In schedule. Year like we are you think this will prompt the sec in the future maybe going to nine games or do you think after we beat up on each other and maybe even Alabama has a couple of losses say Now? No, we we can't do that again. smokey I don't believe it's going to change anything Partly, because the more SEC games, the more losses for SEC schools, the less likely end the the large number of schools will go to a bowl game and that's really important and this year. I think I. Think you and I are going to be eligible for a ballgame. That's how desperate the Bulls are. But Hey. quarterback. Well, good. The problem is that. In the past when it's been brought up, that's always been what I've been told the reason you have. You add seven more losses to the conference and that's going to affect some schools a lot. Yeah. Yeah I I I totally agree and that's that's the way I look at it. But lot of people that you see in interviews on TV. That's what they say. We're tired of a cream puff gain. Why don't we just do this and this, and they're not really seeing the big picture because I firmly believe even Alabama could limp after this season's with. Well, the SEC Games are always the toughest for a lot of reasons You know there everybody knows everybody. Was One or two exceptions. The Games are going to be more physical. I. Think you're always going to get that Tennessee, Oklahoma Alabama southern cal game. The one game that I think people could live without I'd game. Against the schools which comes a week before the end of the season but as soon as you say that I say. Coaches maintain they really need that game after the long grind after after ten conference after ten games to give them a breather before they play the the end of the season rivalry game. Yeah I not say that I coached high school ball and You know your stars gives you a chance. If you go out there and get your big late, you let them rest and hips those guys he'll up a bit. But now this season I mean I think it's GonNa be wild. I mean week after week you just get through playing Auburn we got. Mixed Lsu or WHO's next Florida I mean it's just it's going to be wild way finishes the Palme last question before the Paul what's your opinion on Cape May and and the NC double a. saying no to his transfer to Tennessee and be able to play. Do you think Kirby Smart really is is holding that up not giving him a letter of recommendation. smokey I know I don't think the call I don't know the minutia of that deal. I know some of it. I don't I don't know exactly whether Kirby. Would would have a major say so or not anyway, we have to go to a break. Thanks for the call. Great to hear from you. We will talk about the situation in a minute. We've had quite a show. If you just getting off work just getting home getting anywhere Brian Kelly join US earlier. Fantastic conversation with the Notre Dame coach. Brent Sworn Amon from the Houston Chronicle is up next. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. And we welcome you back to our program and it's great to have. Everyone here, and now it's time for fans. Ville brought to you by Dr Pepper and speaking of that and speaking of the season Kellerman. In expected necessary element for the aggies and look at his numbers from last year ranked second in passing yards third rush. And his QBR was third and certainly killing mind. Killing non expected to have a very big year and he'll need to because his top wide receiver and top target announced yesterday that he is opting out of the season we'll talk to we'll talk more about the aggies couple of minutes. Let's check in with Alexander who is in Texas right now good afternoon. Good afternoon Sir First Time Longtime Pleasure speaking with you. Thank you same same here. Much scientist I wanted to call in and and run something by. The success of Football College. Football specifically always been that it's a reflection of our culture. That's the pageantry. That's the fun and thinking back to nine eleven when the Airways flooded with, you know Stories about first responders, the the vigils everything that was going on. Then no one seemed to be quite an up in arms like they are about through reflection of what's happening in our culture. Now, be curious on your perspective on that seems more to be the messaging. that's upsetting people not the reflection of the culture. Yeah. You know It's a great question. I was younger I think in in the aftermath of nine eleven we briefly I might add. A? Unified country. We that affected us in a way that. Least in my lifetime nothing has has affected this country. We all put American flags on our cars and we didn't say certain things and we were hospitable today sadly. This country is probably a a rough shape as as you could say, it is in Well over fifty years, I would say you to go back to nineteen sixty eight to see this country at least from a civil disobedience position as a as turned upside down as it is now and the politics of the country don't help and and obviously the pandemic is is on top of all that. Thank you very much Alexandra for the call we. Looking forward to chatting with I can make this thing work maybe somebody can help me my my computer seems to be stuck. But. We're looking forward to getting Brent ornament from the Houston Chronicle and I think. Okay. Thanks things just don't move very quickly anymore with everybody everybody using. Wifi from home and abroad Brent. Thanks for the time. Great to have you on. We were talking about. Kelvin. Martin minute ago and the news yesterday. Let me get you to recap. The opting out of the number one target and what it really means good afternoon in great to have you back. Paul thanks for having me on. Yeah. You bring me back on your computer. Get stuck. You know. I did want to say I I. MISSED YOU AT SEC media days. I always appreciate her kindness in person so I wanted to say. Thank you for saying that we have a blast when we get to see reporters like you who are integral parts of this league and bring them up to our big stage. It seems like we were there this year although my member bank is having a hard time remembering when it was. Hey, I even I'm in my office here either stretch my Bungee cord from my bookcase to the door to keep the kids out which is, I, think is a move I only reserved for you. So I appreciate you having me on in terms of Germont, Osborne that one. You know we haven't been out there at all everything's been by zoom. So it's obviously been a different training camp but that one caught me off guard because he was a guy that Jimbo Fisher has talked on and on about about being a leader when he was hurt in two thousand eighteen Jimbo. Fisher considered him another coach at that time. So really I'm not sure what happened from three weeks ago Jim on tone us he had the time was having the time of his life as a senior receiver tutoring the young guys to now but all at once he decided to opt out and with that means the aggies lost their leading receiver and they really don't have any prison guys back because you know Kendrick. Rogers. Declared early Courtney Davis declared early and and then they had some really key injuries at tight end as well. So suddenly what I considered a string. You know a month ago going into campus is now suddenly very much a question mark and. Joan Osborne is a guy that kill him on. They've been roommates. They were teammates at IMG Academy Certainly. Losing some of its comfort zone as well with Osbourne's departure. I have no earthly idea about why he did it but it just seems like we're seeing that especially late I can understand it in April or May but I mean we're seeing players across the board not every day but. is there any? Is there any explanation of why? Here in mid September? A week and a half before the season we're we're seeing things like this happen. I can't explain it especially with him. He would have been the last guy I would've thought would've been now he was active in the marches on campus. No. With the solar off statue, which you know has been a point of contention with the you know with athletes confederate. General who was later at Eight Times early president since credited with saving university he was part of that. He did not mention that it. You know in in his. Essentially just said, he was going to start preparing for the NFL whereas coordinate Davidson Kendrick Rogers bypass they're senior season as well. Then went out drafted and did not hook on with an NFL team either now you've got all three guys that are that are not in the NFL at this point. So yeah, it was it was a head scratcher for sure and he was a guy in my preseason writings are offseason writing saying he's not just going to be a leader of the receivers or the offense. He's GonNa be a leader of this team and suddenly poof he's gone so I I really can't put a finger on it. At this point we haven't visited with Jimbo since since left as well. Brennan if we had talked to you in in July of media days, we would have been talking about an am schedule that I swore look pretty manageable. But. Since everything has changed the non. conference. Games have gone the addition of Florida to the calendar I'm really curious what you and the people that are around this program. Think On top of Osmond and everything else. I. Mean. What? What has the outlook changed? It has changed in in to your point battling Jimbo was hired going after the two thousand, seventeen season. aggie really were familiar with the roster and everything did they didn't points to two thousand, eighteen, nineteen they wanted to twenty twenty when Kellerman was going to be a senior all because they do have a ton of senior state almost that they return eighteen stars they returned seventeen. Now with Osman Yawn. But yeah things changed in a hurry and also also said it was an most forgiving schedule since joining the SEC because you know as last two years, the non conference schedule is included Clemson last year they went to Georgia you replace Georgia with Vanderbilt you replace Clemson with Colorado non conference schedule all that's changed obviously when we first saw the schedule released. Said Whoa. He's got a break here with opening with random bill. You know kind of get their legs under him this year, and then you look at week two onto Alabama. Then you had a road trip to Tennessee. You have a four week three. Now that's at Caulfield but yes, you're adding a you know a couple of programs on the rise. So things changed dramatically now everything's still out in front of him but certainly, the twenty twenty schedule that was, as I said, the most forgiving since they joined the SEC is considerably tougher. So if you if you hit the refresh on your scheduled predictor, where was it and what does it look like now? Knowing you might asset I just went back and did that very highly technical thing of. Going through in this because I work at the game, say wwl usually within one every year I think I've mentioned that before I haven't at seven and three and that might be a little bit optimistic for the aggies you know chances are it could be seven and six and four, but right now got him at seven and three based on based on the revamped schedule so. That's that is I. that may not sound great to some people winning only seven games but when you consider the schedule that that's not exactly chopped liver. Let's talk about it for a second. The games that. That are that are the twitter's I. Mean there are. Those Games in the SEC and it seems like now if you add. Just tell me Florida Tennessee to the equation. Me Already Auburn and Lsu and so many other games were going to be extremely difficult to navigate wh where where does the season whereas the season won or lost in your opinion? On one of the reasons why Kevin someone was out of a job three years ago he had so much trouble with the Mississippi school right that was kind of an unexpected part. You know his his regime at an. Jimbo last year beat both I think for the first time in a while in a few years so. That's all changed with the additional lane kiffin in old aggie Nemesis Michalik over there as well. So that certainly adds seems sudden intrigue to it as well and like you mentioned that Tennessee and Florida I haven't gone one in one in that loss it Alabama. Travel. Auburn. You know it's such a different type deal. Usually they wrap up the regular season with Lsu go to Auburn think on December fifth or you know early December probably have that as a loss. Yeah. It's probably a little bit of an optimistic. Outlook from for main MCI but I do believe I still believe. In even when you lose guys like Demont, Austin they return all five starting off and sublime and they weren't very good there but I think they're to be much improved. They do have a lot of veterans. Their defensive line is really really solid. So yeah, you have a lot of guys back from an eight and five fifteen. So based on all that I still think they're going to be a pretty good team just not. Just not that maybe Sec West continue to that. I. Thought they would be. back pre pandemic print. Finally I mean, we all know how big the higher was Jimbo Fisher, and also if you if you if you understand college football, know how difficult the schedule was last year. So we're we're is Jimbo Fisher right now I realize he's about to start a season but are aggies all in on him. They are. But I will say things like you know the Germont Osborne head-scratching exit things like that give. Cause for pause whenever you start saying okay. What exactly is going on here? You know why is he losing some of these underclass happens if places but you're losing underclassmen the draft you aren't getting drafted. Then again, you could say, well, those are all Kevin someone recruits i. do think that Agar patient mainly because they realize they don't have much choice here with the tenure deal, but also with the idea that. He's shown as much passion in the job is anyone since our C. Slocum going back twenty years you know in terms of. you know just kind of trying to build it from the base and build up and and So yeah, I would say aggies are still are still hi Jimbo Fisher, but it is for the first time. The depth chart is mainly his guys in his third year. So I will say this is the time he needs to start really showing that progress as well although he's done pretty well in his first two years as well. Well we we know the national media wants to take a baseball bat to him but they're not really As clued in I think and I think they're looking at the record last year brands you well, no. Not really what went inside I, mean it seemed like if I remember the season and maybe because I was out there that day but it seemed like the Auburn game was the one game that that was just a disaster at home and the rest of them were fairly predict. That was the one where he said, okay this is what was host to change under Jimbo Fisher. But past that they played three number one team right time which I think was unprecedented. So you know eight and five with certainly not. Out of the realm or or unexpected. But yes, that game against Auburn was the one you know freshman quarterback coming into caufield and all those things long before social distancing. That that Kinda threw people off in terms of what happened but he has a chance to make up for it this year at often he does That's a strange series as Brent Brent thank you. Can. You can. You can open the door now the kids can come back and see their dad and we always enjoy having you on. Good time ahead. Thank you. Paul. Appreciate you have gone. Thank you very much French tournament one of the just the outstanding reporters in the SEC. Joining us from the Houston. Chronicle we more to come in a busy show. We're not done yet Brian Kelly a couple of hours ago. 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My Mix w/ Monster Rally

The Noise Pop Podcast

54:47 min | 2 years ago

My Mix w/ Monster Rally

"Welcome back to the noise podcast coming to you live and direct from San Francisco California it's been two years since we last minute about time we brought the my mix episode back home five years ago man good lovely changed yeah I was GonNa say so he had a kid like a day or two around the time I had my twins right my mix with monster rally thank you Ma'am Ed essentially curates like a short Dj set where they pick a handful of songs that means something to them and inspires their own music we talk about him and then replay the songs obscure samples that feels like taking a trip to Paradise without leaving your chair and nobody else is doing this right now on the same level we're joined by monster care about not only monster rallies music but all the other nostalgic musical fragments we talk about along the way to lock in this is the noise pop podcasts we're here Denver Studios we're here with Ted Fagin Monster Rally Book back to San Francisco thank you good to be here groped records monster rallies music which hearing underneath right now isn't escapes trip through EXOTICA hip hop and now for the big return we're joined by Ted Fagin of Monster Rally who just dropped his cell p adventures on the floating island on that's for sure yeah that record really seemed to hit with a lot of people yeah it was a good one I love it I really do that maybe my favorite project I've done like aside from just my own record why you come through a lot we appreciate that and come once a year maybe or like once or twice a year yeah I was here a couple of months ago doing Thailand show right cocteau magic yes and it all ties together at the end when we play and talk about one of their own songs along with Fantastic Negro we've done my mixes with artists like town Dan quantocks collaborate and astronauts etc definitely dip into the archives to hear all of those third grade rally at different I studios just before he played a show at rickshaw. Stop here in San Francisco and you're going to want to keep this makes the whole way through there's a lot to unpack here not la anymore now right you went out back to Cleveland originally from yeah so we had We had the girls in June of twenty seventeen and up until maybe a couple like official monster rally falling yeah it was funny I looked up the articles almost five years ago when we spoke the first time you a unbelievable man and you you produced which is a little bit different from coming here doing another show it's like a whole different experience but it's right on I love it out it's called adventures on the floating island and this is what album ends you know they were all like Oh when you come home you know and I was like mad about it those like get Outta my face I'm not coming home yeah never coming home and then three months after the girls were born months after that we're like die hard La California people like I'm never going home I'm never moving out of here in around the Christmas before that when my whole family found out that we were having to it twin girls Twin Girls Clarion Panda Panda but Well it's funny because we live in Cleveland and so you Foreign pedestrians it was a monster rally Jay Stone Jay Stone from Oakland's and also go on Goldenrod release that was you know we we embraced you here in the Bay five six seven release I want to say it's like seven yeah on Goldenrod records says it's all about it's maybe my seventh now like it has to be that way now just the back that I even made this record that I'm still making anything in the past two years is just like a testament to being in an area that you know if you're not in the know my mix is when an artist comes on the show thank God we did it's Great Yeah you're in Cleveland so happy back home yeah it's got is ups and downs but you know it's definitely not la but for by in our life and and I remember because it was the first time I've played outside lands I was talking to my mom with that August I was like I work coming home I gotta get Outta here I need help I need my mother-in-law's totally right which is You know by the time this episode airs the show will have come and gone but it was great you can talk show we're we're going to go from the studio from this to the show tonight false somewhere in the convergence of EXOTICA Tropicalia hip hop and so much more instrumental sample based music. I mean you kind of want to hear this artist but I think it's your best work I really do man I think you've got no point with it where it's I it's it's evolving into something really that'd be pretty cool yeah and the the new I I love the new record man we played played menagerie on I think are some around episode naming two or three episodes ago the family support you know for sure for sure and I want to get into the record we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do a a My mixed here where you pick some songs that were we're going to listen to your rickshaw stops and awesome and you know I think people that have been listening for awhile no little bit went to expect but there's a lot of different stuff going on in their thank you first of all chairman I had this idea of them being like in and out of this lounge like sort of abandoned kind of lounge type thing and that's sort of indicated the sound for the record so it's definitely I mean I think every time you make a new record feel this way but it's my favorite one and I don't know if I would say like it's my best or not but it certainly the one I'm like the most out of now you know totally I mean you're the last thing you put out should be like your I hope so if you're doing it right I guess and to the uninitiated monster rallies music and we played it underneath the intro and the Outra and we always like to pick something instrumental and it just yes let in perfectly imperfect and so now he gets now he talked about the record here I was trying to have sort of a small lie concept for the record about this is loosened doesn't really even matter but just about like somebody who when I was searching for things I've found all these old records poor even started making the music I had this idea for making this something like this and it was based on this record that I found hi I listen to this album Sipping Campari Sodas on the beach in Italy a couple of months ago and that was can't imagine what perfect well jazzy and just sort of like fancy and CD I dunno it's good it's good cocktail drinking music yeah an exotic locales sure they sort of have that weird like lounge cheese like they all the exotic stuff sorta falls in that category but particularly I think is more like and yeah give us a quick little jump into the mix here in a minute give us a quick tidbit about how you put together the songs on this record and yeah suffer the new record was basically like all right soccer rock by Martin Denny Stake Rocker Sake Rock I don't even know what what it is but this record is like the the the foundation of the entire Monster Project I've yeah yeah the the yeah because I was just so drawn to the cover and all of that the sort of five and I had this little lake really cheap sort of toy record player that I would listen to it on and this song of the week like woke up it sort of has them Nesia trying to retrace their steps a little bit and so that Sorta like with the floating island came in is that sort of where the people are and that all came about after making a few of the songs that I thought were particularly lounging sounding like Menagerie or like reef high Lee Hibiscus those really some of the percents they made for the record that's a good segue into the first song that you have big here for us what you tell us what it is so it's Martin Denny Song from the quiet village record and it's called Dick arrangers like Laurence Welk or something you know or you have sort of those almost like Broadway style things who really like to became the guy who why when he made this stuff so that seems to make the most sense yeah and this is from the this is from the fifties here's your reading here in nineteen fifty eight or something like that all right here it is Dixon with just like the Gong and the hand claps I've tried to sample that so many times then I always drop it out because I just I don't know I can't make it work yeah I don't know why but I just like it hooked me right away right on let's let's listen to the song we'll come back and we'll talk about it's more well yeah it is I think it's sock I would say that's right yeah he was living in New York and move to Hawaii and made a lot of this music you just use like a lounge singer basically New York like cl- like the classes the jam this is I will say so you know I was not aware of Martin Denny at all this is such that you just got this yeah the of this collage artwork and there's so many layers to it it's it's it's a pretty nice companion music for sure thank you so yeah let's let's go to the next track that you have here tell us what you got all right so ooh that's a great spot it really is and so so he we're talking about before he made this record and why he's makes them sounds like you know many percussion you can have but I don't think people were doing a professional records really like that how did you come across this stuff originally but you record in Cleveland or how you have to spend records in Colombo it's funny actually because I have a lot of that Jimmy Buffett knock off stuff and it hasn't been until like recently when I've been listening to the radio that like I hear a lot of those people and around the same time I bought the bad bill and record never heard of mad lib or doom saw the cover art and I was just like okay so this looks pretty awesome the what is it all ends up being just were what you found together you talk about the artwork Mark Danny famously used Sandy Werner who was now that I had no context for before and I was just like Oh God like I don't know if this is cool or not but these people like had a small career in their little niche yeah for sure I mean that's the beauty of record digging it sounded like where the music lived and that's sort of how it came about and I think it just clicked like that it makes sense and then now I don't know like I get so excited aw aw have no idea like I always liked hip hop I knew it was going to be hip hop record but I didn't know what I was in for and I mean it straight up changed my life like a lot of people I think similar to mind there's like a slide guitar and all that and I just like I had been into hip hop for a long time but I just didn't know it could be like I didn't know it could sound like this and next week meat grinder it's classic mad villain the this makes sense because around this time so I I bought this quiet village record quiet village records sounds like you're just like little zigzag and it's like he's using like the side of an old team can write and make an zigzag sound with it so which is actually funny because right on here it is meat grinder by Madeleine uh-huh defined exotica right on and there's something that I heard this track is a the way he makes it creates instruments like people give them something made a lot of these it all started because I was doing the the closet and the music I'll start at the same time and I just need to cover for the albums and I wanted to make something that I didn't I didn't know that about the teenager that's interesting like that's so advanced for the time where it's like when I first making music however long ago I was like you just pick up something in it did you go to school in Columbus or I did yeah I went to a hosted where I started the project got something I remember from the first conversation we had like longtime ago is there was something funny that to me you were like either some samples of some records from like a Jimmy Buffett knockoff guy yeah that's Larry I wanna find though I still get that all the time so I heard it and I mean the song is like one of my favorites ever but also from that record and I think that like this song is around the same time as the only custard really influenced into thinking like this is the kind of music I wanNA make so it makes sense about it all coming at the same time but this particular actually sort of has some elements our finished the records and then I'm always just like gearing up to make all the packaging yeah that's that's my favorite thing about When I when I hold on your records is that I get to like stare into infinity model for like a at least a dozen of his album covers you make your own album covers it's all all all the vinyl robot and stuff right Yep this record when you talk about record digging you know no one's better madelynn maybe J. diller yeah so sure I mean there's nobody like him and I mean they influence countless countless people enriched one of them was me yeah so that's slide guitar though Yeah fucking love him and I it's funny how how well him and MFN work together on Matt Villainy it's true I mean that record really was I mean it feels like crude and amazing and that's exactly how mad Lib stuff is is just like somehow just messy but awesome and there's only like we're talking about shades of blue when we were listening to good even let loop pack stuff is all so good antidote that what is it Kasi is twenty and I would spend my days at record stores and they had that on a listening station yup shades of blue which is mad lib kind of reviving the the Blake redundant but just groundbreaking for so many reasons and everybody everybody loves it like it really changed so much because I heard it I was just like blue note recordings right and listen to it at the listening station in full and I was like this is incredible and I bought the CD and a life changer for you and that's the kind of thing that like that you too yeah yeah and J J on Lake Yeah about a little bit like doom and his style yeah then how long this one like probably like eleven years ago I another one about a record store just like starting to get into I mean like the way that it kicks in with that like Super Muddy base and and then just like I don't even know what the professions happening there but it's also it's just and what's funny is with doom I remember when I heard that Jay Stone record that you did it kind of had a danger doom fields I mean which danger mouse and a little bit it is it really is and you've kind of made that a part epic now monster so yeah and I I mean it's so much of the the music and art work it's all about you know discovery and digging sort of African music and it seems obvious now but I didn't even know who he was so I saw that and I found the song as there's water get no enemy I think is the AH I get it now like like let me just find out every single thing about mad lib and doom now and listen to all these records and mad villainy the shades of blue mm-hmm well speaking of talented dudes to get the next one here for us what is it all right so this is faily song called expensive shit so the best hope for long in the west coast he's added again mad at Penn glad that we were attacked got hit a bad hats and gloves a Aka down for the cause I don't know if that one there's a one that's a production and it's so good but shades of blue is like my end all be all and I was I was living in Japan it has been you know yeah and maybe that's how it informs monster rally is like the global nature of this music and I think it was around the time I started making the music or even beforehand they know hey bro Day Glo set the pay Dole before the feather getaway picket make all the world hated calling perpetrated oughta payments Sir that moment where you go there and you put it on and like you just can't stop like new finish the song and you're just like all right we'll let me just hear what's Nice and then what sex with Saxon suddenly it's been you know forty five minutes and think of Africa Visa Paleikud he'd be saying John Lennon yeah you know like it's global music I mean especially like it's funny just how much you don't know about something that's so important somewhere else or the all of it like I mean it's it's so good it's funny how somebody can be You know I think in Nigeria or even like a lot of other parts album and this is the B side but this was the one that really stuck with me and when I was living in Chicago I used to like just like put this on so loud in my apartment my roommate and I think he thought I was crazy he was like you know like folk indie all good stuff but I used to just crank it up listen the whole thing it's fifty minutes long just like get you hyped it's amazing the penalty seven glass may the brethren than the slap style southern alligator advocate samples after the full man don't stand including and we're gonNA play a portion of it now and what I'll do is when we maybe we altro will play the rest of the song right as the episode ends are like our credits like seventy two straight hours go listen is the perpetrator laws laborers and all quantum flavors CEE was still back in the game like back La- laying the they look uh-huh is when I started to get really into the African music and through a lot of the reissues to it's just it's amazing right on while here it is Fela Kuti expensive ship may go rack your brain on a fast track same even the slow people have to speed up the ladder pay lip in the booth and third yes no metal vessel still credible at school doesn't say how the While was Dow the tape DOC The the Front uh-huh doc Yeah uh-huh doc mm-hmm yeah and yeah doc accepts owed here on the show back when Grammy Winner Fantastic Negro join us to talk about the music that inspires him and his artistry and you know it's for the kind of the meat grinder he's pimping strip mine the need silence it the uh-huh yeah the mid Manhattan more bongos defined the filling inside congas dance keeps is the old man teaches about the goal the goal and we Kirk Yeah with this Quick Visit Lists Mitch the live four five six or five quarter yeah on your wish from sheets there it is Fela Kuti expensive shit and it was very into the Beatles you know even growing up in the later but it wasn't until like around the time after I had moved to Cleveland that I like african-inspired percussion but I actually don't sample a lot of African stuff the tempos are too fast but that's not to say that it's not like huge inspiration and I mean really dug into it and then I realized like Oh my God this is like not as good as any of the Beatles records if not better than most of them listen to it every day for probably a year and that album like basically made luaka BOP and all that stuff that grant David Byrne is like you know behind that label but right how famous that dude was in his day but has seen such a resurgence with like with all the reissues. Yeah I remember I heard atomic bomb like eight years ago maybe and just like that it to fill spectre and this song I just think is like the jam and why it's not a song every single person knows and listens to all the time is against opened up that sound Wall of sound off yeah and I mean just like anybody who I was really into in the past like ten years heavy reverb and all that stuff is just like is entirely contestant wins the song now are there a lot African sounds kind of pop up in monster is music like maybe through some of the previous records I think there are there's like some good some African percussion hello yeah awaiting on you all by George Harrison This is George Harrison who's he yeah well it's funny because like I was super late to the game on this record I always take a bow not to mention the one that gets me about this in particular is the you hugh here the Phil Spector of the most on this one and I mean I love Phil Spector I love all of that I love it well well let's keep on we got two more here and then one of yours and Yeah the next one we have here is yes so this is yeah that's the nice abrupt up back yeah that's the classic there with the is amazing so anyway I from what I heard this album I've I've locked onto the song I probably listen to it every day awesome all right let's hear it waiting on you all by George Harrison I that's that's the guy right there guy hundred percent yeah foe who's the other oh William O'Neil more familiar with with big time and like man hard to know you'll need to pass vs not like built there yeah I mean did you see the little things like a half hour documentary but that noisy did haven't seen them it's it's you it's called in terms of people I have become like into an obsessed with over my musical life with steely Dan is like a recent one for me it started kind of as a joke like that don't need a bed person in the locker me yeah he's good a really nice bucket list checkmark Yep next one here that you have there's a lot of again jazz fan thinks called fantastic man yup which is the title of like Yeah Commercial Enough you've seen last year there's a commercial for something funny and it's a lot of people like I I remember telling like two years ago is when I got into the right after my girls were born I remember telling my wife like I'm a dad now I gotta like steely Dan I don't need to this song so if you've never heard the song you've probably heard this if you know that uptown baby Peter Guns tyreek exactly that sounds or whatever on there yeah I recently saw Brian Wilson and it was at a festival or was it it was in so it was in Cleveland at a casino ah a beach boy song but Brian Wilson says that every day of his life he's trying to recreate be my baby and that's like that just the thought of that is wavy seven on this one awesome let's hear it and then we'll come right back here's steely Dan with blackout through record saying that it wouldn't bother him at all if he didn't play any of his own records and they were just trying to they wanted to make the best album you know and they had all these people in there and I don't know it was around two years ago I discovered the actual song of this and Just like really started digging steely Dan and and really fell in love in this one cool things to talk about this one Tell us what it is yeah all right so this is blackout by steely Dan off Asia record man like thank you come from a lot of people to I recently spent like after I had gone to bed I was watching TV and my phone or not even TV I just watched the entire making of Asia. It's a win because on sorrow humidity yeah and it's just like Donald Pagan and Walter Becker like in the studio and they like play the tracks and they're like we didn't use this guitar solo whatever and were they fighting in the city classic so I heard that one probably when it was out and I didn't you know didn't put together that was the only time I had heard the song and then later I heard the mm-hmm they weren't they were getting along with people who don't know they're notorious for using studio musicians and so like I recently read a quote with and then it was just like well actually hold on I don't know why they get a job as being rap is because they're so good Asia's my favorite one by the way uh-huh yeah unless That Song Champion Graduation Day law so I know I mean that was like the first one right here on this is the coolest shit ever yes so it's as good as any of the songs sampled by or that have been sampled of it even though they're all different and this one is just like a great viewer Herzilya Dan you're going to hear like all the Funky jazz they will want trust welcome back yeah song that also samples this one I forget the name of it but it's Operation Doomsday yeah he's a couple steely Dan songs you can go down the steely Dan sampling rabbit hole. Ah Oh and yeah I know it was in December and I went in and it was like really special I think it's really important to see like these legends from like years past yeah I saw Brian Wilson in ten every day of my life I'm trying to create anything by Brian well so I I had to take off because I was looking I was thinking like I'll put anything from like take off is interesting because it's just like a weird sort of dissonant transition but it makes sense for the Doomsday record or whatever but I love it I love CNN things keep coming up in your life where you find the source of those things and that's always like super gratifying totally And those guys total one hit wonder tyreek like there was and that song is a banger though it really is well we'll make sure to tell you kids out there who don't know Peter Guns we will link that on the blog as well uh-huh timbering Phil Spector's crazy man I heard a thing whose Brian Wilson said that and this is one of the songs we're going to pick we can tell people this we're not gonNA play a so making this record was a little bit different because I had to balance being a parent and so whereas before I was just like making music at any time I wanted to uh-huh it's off adventures on the island it's one of my most recent songs and I think I don't know I just I've done if you think he's talking about this before but uh-huh But I think I I was like even looking for instrumentals Kazaa or somebody trying to download some instrumentals whatever I find myself like just like those and so there's this one where these two albums or like bouncing back and forth like that so say their sister owls because the you know their sisters and so After we had watched one of these things I went in I made the song and it was just like sort of funky kind of Latin whatever and so this is like the most Brazilian on the really and they make sense and there's like that but right well it's funny because around like such music I got into like in the late nineties and early two thousands I mean like I I was very much into like pop rap you know what I mean it's worth watching link all these like videos like this and the William talked about we'll link on our blog spot dot com slash podcast people can go back and kind of the pieces attract so tells about this on ours so this is called sister owls it's personally my favorite song on the new record uh-huh Aw Aw because Kazan playing and then like have stuff on my sampler and I forget about the records yeah it may be Sergio Mendez I try to avoid stuff I know sample Mr Horne's sample on there and I did a lot of the percussion in the background to and I don't I just love it yeah let's come back well I I should say is that the Muskie aw the added over then they'll try to partner with them on making more of them for licensing and then splitting which is a good it's a win win you know yeah right on I think for the most part now I had to be like designated in times after my girls are going to better like during naps and so they like to watch our videos on instagram the little bottles won't we've come to to the last track ear and this is a monster rally track and I'm so we're finally here at the one like everything that we've spoken about well all come together on this one all right there it is sister house this is off of a adventures on the floating island and damaged if that ain't the my skin sample it is I think we gotta find out three so I don't know whatever but I guess when sometimes like the people someone will call them and be like hey you know like sounds like you guys just sample message on the sample underneath throughout the sermon Banger it sounds like it too yeah I'll be honest I don't know what it is yeah people ask me all the time for the most part I'm just like you're listening to a you picked out the doom sample and it's like mid point of the song where it's like the little as the smallest little bridge and that's it's a funny thing of the the first one with the main sample a great movie it's called anywhere the wind blows named after his song and it's mainly about Hustle Johnson was like he was played second fiddle to James Brown when they were coming breath when I was even born yet or something so yeah it's true and I think just like go to if you go to a record store even if you're not used to it and just like go and buy anything that looks interesting you what does it look laboratory Peter Guns and Lord tyree yeah that but that's the beginning intro the sign that's the obvious sample but the do it depends I think so like on this record I played a lot of ace in a lot of percussion mostly sampled drums some live sampled some from records the and Like anything here that's like we're like tambourine or Shaker or anything like that Martin Denny style you know the you know fingers crossed has never come back to bite me but just you wait there's going to be a from us or Joe Mendez breath people are just like site to hear their music you know like reinterpreted and just like WanNa be knowledge for that have you do Johnson is sure so the that's another album but there's one snuck in this triangle like several the songs and at the very end like the last downbeat before like the end of that song there's just like a faint hit it can be a slippery slope if it is that simple but yeah no it's fine I've never I've never had a problem I've sampled a lot of records I think apply under the radar and most of the music is given away for right and we found his tracks and just sample the shit out of them but Rizza like took care this dude right and you know pay them out all these royalties and all these look and see but yeah people ask me all the time and I'm not trying to be withholding of this doesn't feel like that at all but I honestly I just don't pay attention which the US able to in a number of times and I don't know what's up with me I just can't it seems like I learned how to use the sampler in the most basic out of necessity wages of 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Episode #148: Gaming Startup, Vorhaus Advice, Miraculous Roblox Metaverse

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Episode #148: Gaming Startup, Vorhaus Advice, Miraculous Roblox Metaverse

"The business be sports. Podcast is sponsored by east sports entertainment group a leading east and online gambling company. For more information go check them out at e. sports entertainment group dot com. Welcome to the business of east sports. Podcast the official podcast eastport. We explore the intersection of business. And eastbourne's one of the fastest growing industries in the world. And the future of fine please. Welcome your host. William the eastward professor call us and palled eastwards profit. Dowa leaving the business of these sports. Podcast begins now from the keyboard to the boardroom. This is the business of sports podcast. I am joined today by my friends and coast jimmy barada and william collins for those of you who are new to the podcast. Welcome to the official podcast of sports. What we do here is we. Cover the most pressing gaming and east sports topics news of the week. But we look at all of it. Through a business suite lens we dissect. We analyze the business implications of everything happening in this industry for our regular listeners. Thank you guys for tuning in every week. Thank you for all the love. The five star ratings and reviews we really appreciated. Thank you by the way you went on amazon dot com and left a review on williams book. The book of sports. We appreciate that as well. And by the way if you haven't already follow us everywhere on youtube on instagram on tick-tock on twitter wherever you get business of sports content Would love for you to follow subscribe. Whatever whatever mechanism on each social media It's all appreciated. Jimmy william how you guys doing this week awesome. Yeah jimmy you must bet a good week right. I always have great weeks. William appreciate it Start september and i'm finally on summer break. Mike course at uci just wrapped for the quarter. So i have a nice few weeks off. So i'm looking forward to that. Can i ask you guys. A gaming industry question the hardest hitting one. I think i've ever asked. I'm just kidding. Mchugh re-release what why do no game companies do. They're open betas or closed betas on labor day weekend like literally one of the only times where you can sort of dedicate some time to play games and they do it like new world is tomorrow or this weekend call of duty in two weeks from now like what why. Not labor day weekend on. Everyone has the time off. It's a good question. I mean. I think partly it's just you know. Historically releases and marketing events have anchored around certain calendar windows. And it's difficult to move off. Those i think partly it's the debs would probably like labor day weekend to probably yards last thing. Yeah i mean but it is. I do think it strange that they're such clustering of releases right. And i know why historically that is because it's marketing calendars but it does seem like in today's digitally driven marketing economy. You should see their release. Is much more evenly spaced. Rather than say everything clustering around like november timing. Right it is. It is mostly frustrating for me personally. Who would have loved to play a game or two a new game In open beta closed beta form During labor day weekend and now there's no chance right like next weekend. I'm not gonna have time the week after. I'm not gonna have time. I had time last weekend and you know now now you really want our time because we have such an incredible guests today. There's going to be such insight and knowledge dropped. We'll be ruminating on this for months. Amazing guests who may have an answer to my question in fact he would more than we have none other than mike von house. Ceo of war house advisers. Mike welcome to the podcast. It's are going up against all. These radio faces this. This is why our our our listener base went down. When we introduced video right. They realized who they were actually listening. Never looked as good mike for our listeners and our viewers who have not heard of you. And i'm sure there are very few But those who don't know the mike von house story would love for you to give them a bit of your background. How you got into gaming why you got into gaming You know what you spend most of your time doing today. what things you're excited about etc just a bit of the mike story. Sure sure and by the way the The labor day thing I think at one time. It was very much even in the early days of games as a service literally. You're still testing for for Bandwidth and load and load balancing. And i think now steps load balanced earlier and then load overalls not really an issue anymore. so yeah. I personally got into games at that. Been such good reading that. I wanted to promote here over my shoulder. I would have had a miss pacman screen I'm an arcade kit You know when. I got out of college. I was playing doom and Early mist and whatnot. But and then my as i got involved in the internet digital non gaming business particularly around ninety five when exciting Both hired me as a consultant and adviser and then by the time i kinda got integrated into gaming part of my professional consumer analyst work which was two thousand kind of with the decay of the internet. It was kind of the right response. I was starting to get a little bit on the edge and spending more time in the pogo casual environment. You know missing planes playing pop it. i did. Missile plane was playing miss. Pacman in saint louis actually And now today. I don't even try. I've been playing dots for eight years. it's a good game. I ever since it came out here every time they change something. I'm pissed off at and i wrote. I wrote the founder. One day. I go i cannot get like away from these. Like whatever the hell's they are and he was you know. I went to youtube and i couldn't even understand their explanation and he goes do zone so is a. And here's one hundred free bombs by biggest mistake in my life with dots. Buying something the day i bought one thing my entire relationship but the game change. They're squeezing you know what's every fm minute all because they think i might once again reach into my tight little pockets but you know the best thing about gaming me has been an. I'll brag for second is that it's fine. You get to work with cool people. I've had the chance to william quite a bit. If you're a smart guy and you're lucky guy you make some money. I would particularly lucky to been andrew paradise. Jason robbins almost ten years ago each respectively. The founders of draft kings am skills. And i didn't have to write a very big check to get you know thousand x return nine years later so i don't think there's a better industry for me i'd like to meet. Eli mosk. i will admit that. And that's kind of the story. You know i got into it. I got into the internet. Internet led me to gaming gaming led me to my passions and i love working with entrepreneurs and it's all game scale for an investing point of view and mike four house advisers just to be clear works primarily with startups in the gaming space. Is that i am to say. I think you'll find few companies a lot of digital media a lot of video content and whatnot social. Not but you know the really interesting thing. About where else advisors is. You have never worked in a company. You've never even heard of a company with a more unified of directors more transparent Meets every morning seven days a week. Fifteen minute stand up in the shower very few blockers. You know first thing. They may decided early on that. I'm subsequently amended was was wine at lunch. I got rid of that. I found out that my agent couldn't do it. We haven't passed the private plane rule yet. But we're still got our fingers crossed and friday afternoons. This sounds like a great place to work. How can people apply. Watch watch whatever. Poor my obituary and feel free. And it's it's a fun way move towards the end of your career and get to work guys like you and also great people who i hope you'll you'll have on your show in the future. Jim greer roablocks now and all the great guys at roadblocks and emily greer starting double loop and Might great friend in israel toy that will be talk about later roadblocks studio. That's raising money and you know there's so many great people the world in gaming mike. Is there anything you look for in particular in the companies you work with or invest in there you know. I'm curious what the formula looks like for you if there is one show. I do think it's a numbers game. And i do think like is important. I do think you occasionally get entrepreneur and and williams proven to be this who is adapt. will will make the right decisions at the right time. You know. we'll take a double and play for the next time. And i i like those guys. I i had one guy. Not william who did a company and i only made like fifty dollars profit and he was kind of embarrassed And i i said to him recently because he called me quite a few years ago anti five years ago four years ago anyway just soon after. I left maggot three years ago. I guess and And he goes. You know i feel bad. One hundred fifty four bucks and i go. Hey i went to dinner. I was happy. I appreciated the money and now he started another company. And he's in for the long haul. I will tell you my pet chiefs. And i don't necessarily not help somebody most of the vc's i and mostly confederations of angels. I know you wanna look at stuff. Broadly i'm you know kinda wide entry point into the ecosystem but i do not like lack of open-mindedness and i will tell you that there are. I'll go i'll go no further and characterization than saying they're almost always male but other than that i will not get into nations or anything else but when a twenty eight year old tells me that i should invest in them because they're enthusiastic and then tells me he doesn't need my money because he's already got his fifteen million wrapped up and i turned to him and go make a deal next twenty four hours. Send me. I'll take unsigned term sheets. Totally fifteen million dollars for your project. And i will personally into positive thousand dollars cash in each of your bank accounts. Needless to say that did not happen. So i can valley kinda f- things up for a lot of people because this fake. Oh you want foam. Oh get assigned term sheet and sex. Anyway you know. I like i like my foam was like a lemon just method of vessel and i'm much more like into chocolate vesicles sweetness sweetness and light in this year of five thousand. Seven hundred eighty two Just starting i mean in all seriousness. It's just give me a break and by the way. I have to show a deck. I can't begin to tell you how i feel about that. You don't like them. Or you like back. I if i know the venture capitalists and people you know. I'm not going to be in a deal that aren't really good people. I hope and i know that people much busier than me. Much more important than me. Much more money under manager than me. Don't wanna look at dexter early. And i think we all wanna you know make a fairly quick judgment call and all help almost anybody. This may be a mistake to say. I'm easy enough to reach on linked. I i answer all my lincoln you know requests and whatnot near let guys even more experienced me Decide if it's doable. But i don't need to understand the company that degree. Look if you're if you're got no money and no product. I wanna hear your vision. You got to do it with a deck. I get it but as soon as you raised any money and as soon as you have a product. It's about traction. So great ninety two percent retention amazing love it come on how many people and by the way it will take so entrepreneurs three minutes long time to answer the question of a thousand people or five hundred people because they want to explain to me why the number they're about to give to me is good and it's like i'm cool. I get it products you know. What amazing if you have five thousand people play your game. You have five hundred people play earlier. Oh my god surprise surprise and if you'd get to fifty thousand grade and by the way the man or woman who says to me well what is scale. You know how many people should be playing my game before my retention metrics are reasonable. I love that. That's a good use of this phone. Call other you're having and by the way and particularly venture capitalists who listen to more than i do Don't have cancer for everything. William needs to work on this a little bit. You guys get that. Ever since i do. I always try to pratt my answers. Well yeah and also you ask william question. He just didn't and he jumps right because he's definitely smart and so he does the question you're gonna ask. I got no problem with that but with these sees if you really wanna play it yeah yeah most of your answers right scale young some key ones but let's say if the gaming situation is great. Let's say it's giving situation to three v three action game action shooter game. Seems like there's gonna be a lot of eastwards opportunity and the vc says how you gonna make you get there. How's it going to be commies for and you go. Well you know that's the question right. Let's look at overwatch. Let's look at call judy. Let's what good doda. Let's look a one to maybe haven't done as well. What do they have in common. What different lefties guy see how you think. And then on a good question. Please don't say good question after every question. Wanna kill people. Do they do it on. Ask the guy back. You're right you're i. I wish i'd been in a meeting the first time somebody said i'm using pinterest for ua. A ten cents. Cpi and the v. Said yeah but how are you handling facebook. Cpi and the guy goes you now. I can't seem to get out of the way of the bulldozer. And i'm getting kill. Got any ideas. Got any kaiser. Figured it out. Because i can't do enough pinterest that now you're halfway widow term sheet by flipping it around on them and having gauging engaging in a conversation yeah actually showing people how you think to the people in this world when making arguments those who are thinking walking about how they're right and to prove it gives them a chance to resonate with that to and then the person and i worked my butt off doing this. I need to do better everyday. Who's thinking about how they could be wrong. That's the smart guy in the room Would you say mike. What i'm hearing is is not so much the an evaluation of the business but an evaluation of the people like and it's a bit cliche but are you. Are you betting on people. First before you make any other evaluation usually look at. It is somewhat formulaic. If you're pre product pre revenue never done this before he yet. You should not have watch you know silicon valley tv show. I mean pure idea almost never works and when it does because it's david helgeson's idea the founder unity now every now and then. If you've ever written a check to an entrepreneur something happens usually it's again williams case really great recommendations and people i respected and he is you know contagious but sometimes it's something else and i'm going to be careful about this because the guys you know he's fully public but he hasn't you know i think there's a tipping i don't wanna i would never want to give away clubhouse before clubhouse gave away itself but i met a guy through lunch club which would not be my normal stomping grounds. I've been impressed by it. Though very young nam younger than any of you up by far far and he had no idea about an app for the twenty five hundred generation. That was basically the app for blank. I'm not going to say and his point was there's an app for everything to these people you know then mode dating Scheduling weather finding vacations restaurant choices remembering your parents. Anniversary i i mean fulfillment of all you know from only fans to philanthropy charity. You know then patriotic. I mean seriously. Honestly tell me something. And this guy hit on a mid sized idea that he was gonna be the the the tinder of blank. And i said to him that raise depending on product and i said i actually think that makes a lot of sense that you've identified one of the few areas where there's not an app out helping people that i think you could take one step bigger and he is subsequently done that. Of course. I think the fact that i may have that idea might not end up in the book this happens. I told him at lunch a couple of weeks ago. I go you know this is big as it could be you. Hope in two years actually heard from him in a couple of weeks. They have something you know to do that. But you know he's getting some reality but you know all these. I mean experiences. If i'm not pitching experience i'm an idiot. And and and so you know he gets a call. For injuries horowitz and that becomes. I'm about to get a term sheet and it was like every month now. i ride that germ. She gone with andrew snore wits. His you know it didn't come but he just raise some more money. I give you a great idea of what i mean by big idea now. These guys were further down the road. I can tell this one fully showed. Tanner was rift c. Which like jiffy sold google number years ago hundred twenty million at a tiny bit of money in it. The ceo co-founders very good friend of mine. Eric hackenberg met david. Mcintosh the founder and ceo and dave talking very compelling gentlemen berkeley doubly. You know. Advance studies asia. You know been a couple of companies you know a partial exit. Not and your tenors animated gifts and they're fine and you know john's southworth thought there'd be so many shaima to la animated gifts on on google. Facebook was you know can surprise yesterday. I'm talking to david a couple of years ago. And he goes the world's biggest language and i go. Well you know. Obviously i'm gonna say mandarin chinese and you're gonna no. That's the obvious answer. So obviously you've got some better answer a better answer. Which whether people would out. And he goes emojis. I go by that. Emerges world biggest language goes animated gifts. I just tingled on his guys honestly just tingled animated gifts. I just i'm not. I know you remember team. It's not actually being on honest because it's so brilliant. Animated gifts are going to be the world's biggest language now who does not wanna write a check for that competitive already. Got really good pech. It's a great live. Yeah versus hey data for the olympics are there any themes that you're you're focused on specifically in the gaming space east sports space like are there. Are there specific trends. You're looking at themes in terms of the companies You know signs. You're seeing that you know. A lot of people are going after something these this specific area or that specific area. I'm curious what you've seen in terms of trends. We ask questions here. I saw the nf t- thing bubble or not as been like perfectly. Everything's kind of fall into place so kudos to people. I think you know again. There really is something they're predicting scarcity and control lot of people been screwing around him even dapper. I mean how my buddies at upland i mean you could have invested in them at a very low valuation. Not that long ago and now they're raising a much more substantial valuation a million. Eric sure myers company will give you the numbers but you know. Eric's co-founder z. See that's a guy can go out and raise big money on a big valuation. But he's got you know. Five thousand monthly kager number and he's got three different ways of driving money within his nfc. So i think that's like super super real is obviously too bad that has not been super super super real. It's just a hardware problem. I think and i don't think there's any doubt that will be you know you're kinda surprised when more guys haven't come out with more games and devices like the though so the same as been at night antics try like why can't other guys get a are happening They will i always liked infrastructure that did lead into a dark era of of ad tech a director perry on which is relatively substantial nasdaq company and we are Rightfully so through growth and revenue and profitability performing along with lots of other people in tech well but it was some pretty nasty years for ad tech generally. You know i guess. I like infrastructure without arbitrage. If you could get me that obviously not going after google i mean go after those ecosystems i mean i still think i mean obviously companies building around the tick-tock ecosystem. Maybe they're tiny bit early. But i mean the number companies that are built up around the amazon ecosystem I love creator tools which i consider infrastructure bill boxes. You know somebody. I'm involved in. That's up and coming manticore has done. A you know have might hat is off to. To frederick to jordan they raised it boatload money and i think they've made a good engine. You know unity is gonna do things that none of us have even thought about people are. Why aren't people better hand. Freehand artists well probably because they're not creative. We have more creative people today that we have in the days of the pope's and my i guess we still got pope's no but are required a certain amend that cave art early juicy right presumably presumably those guys had to go out hundred gathered to but but they weren't they weren't full-time not full-time board for sleep. All winter right on stuff is i don't know but i'm ready for a big one. I could last up six months. You know this. I have to say zoom gus flat in your face a little bit if they had thought of selling their cave art does. Nfc's if only mass. So i think we're gonna you know so many you know. Half of the half of eighteen to thirty four year olds in the country have made a video and and tried to monetize it now. Most of the made under hundred bucks but you know. How many streamers are there out there. My buddies maestro Have a low price driven product coming out or sexually out there not marketing a big time yet. But it's you could find it if you look for it you know. How many people do you think would buy. You know the power of meister dot. Io but in a small piece of software that will work with my. You know pro sumer you know. I think there's ten million people. I think there's a hundred million people over the next couple of years making money in europe and the us on games and content. My friends it over wolf where i'm blessed to be an early investor these guys you're killing it and by whose knee original creator economy business model wise apple and android. I'd take thirty percent. Everybody should have a store. And everybody should have a creator fund further notice and i would like to say a lot more about sports. I damn the people that wanna argue incessantly about team valuations. Why bobby kotik wants to sell a team for x. dollars and whoever the hell wants to buy it you know maybe lower price a little slower walk up on. That scale would have been fine but this is not first of all. The clippers took forever to go from two million to two billion. But you know. I've done research on this the merch opportunity. You know it's little amazon's gonna buy. I mean i think people could spend dollars a year on merch. And i think the audiences get bigger. I think chipping his way underdone and have jamling. How do mike are you. Bullish than on the east. Sports teams across but not inauguration. Today general so i'm curious then you know besides respecting the merge play right. We talked about hood. York's a lot on this show. What do you think is the next thing that these teams need to do to actually justify valuation You'd also mentioned tipping for example. Yeah so these people got it right. We all know these same people and some of them are extraordinarily talented and some in. They're all smart. Shall this brand were life southern. That's not wrong. That's right You know shows you know quote unquote real sports I think i think people. I think is building an intense community and i think it's trying to replicate which is already there in many cases but an even bigger and even more intense and trying to replicate what what happens when you have a team in the city and i'm not saying it's a bad idea these sports but i'm not saying it's a panacea which these people but i want that same degree i want like what you get with the chicago cubs. You know once a cubs fan and always a cubs fan By way everybody's saying ten years gov games all going is like really how duty how old's counterstrike. How old doda i mean i mean if there's a game should go away because it's too old baseball. Well i think you're going to get any disagreement here point. The question is why. Why did activision blizzard. Hire someone from major league baseball. That was that was the question we sort of had a good laugh about here. Yeah look let's be clear about this. I think all the hires were pretty damn good night. Answers super good friend of mine. I just had p. v. over for lunch whatnot Maybe the real happy to be out of activision blizzard. Or sure you can see you. Drop toward bobby's Nobody is a better Well let's move. This was pretty good at this. To know is kind of a better wuer but now the willing to go forever. But i think these guys got that good experience and there are other good guys in time time multiple business models i think lower cost of goods and i think they all know that. I think this idea that you know if your team's taking towncar to the airport problem make i. I totally agree. I think the cost structures are are untenable for a lotta these teams and they're on this sort of merry go round of having to always raise more venture money because they continue to burn A lot of venture money. But how do you feel about mobile e. sports specifically like this is a topic we come back to a lot and you seem bullish on not just the gaming opportunity not just the broader gaming opportunity but the east sports opportunity as well How do you feel about mobile e. sports in your experience with dots. Also i i guess i would have to think hard about how make dotson eastward i mean you get into the issue of of competition versus watching competition and if that's maybe your way of distinction than you know i don't really anticipate people what i mean. Reactions i mean you know talking back you know who the heck knows. I mean. remember that a couple of years ago. We had like sixty thousand women opening oysters every day on facebook and sewing the paroles to their followers. I mean you know anything can a can can happen But redirect me back more precisely into your sports question i pol. It's more just the mobile opportunity. I think i've always struggled and also i'll speak personally. I won't speak for william or jimmy here. I've always struggled a little bit with on one hand. The business mobile businesses mobile gaming businesses are just so phenomenal from being cash cows right for being cash cows but on the other hand i struggle with like i want gaming to get to this immersive. Vr holiday kind of future. And i feel like mobile doesn't fit and i'm curious how you think about those two things. I definitely agenda agree with you. You know maybe what makes mobile you know so. The natural thing is while mobile in order to watch my big traditional. Pc sports games. Which is i guess. Kind of mob crush became originally. It was going to be mobile streaming of mobile east sports. And you'll unfortunately for those of us that have money in the venture funds the back Subaru mega corp and being rights at the name was worth ten million launch. Slide for them. And i'm people i respect deeply. You know in christian not and they're whacking away at another game as well should be i. Huge fight with the guy who's nice but but but energetic it shinzan. Johnson and johnson. I'm ten years ago. Eight years ago about cajal a modal mobile mobile. And they're like no. And i'm like yeah well. Twenty years ago you couldn't have You know p console shooter now. You can barely get somebody to play shooter on pc but you know surprise surprise. Ten cent made the mobile mobile It just all seems inevitable You know mobile. I you know. It's not in the united states. The apertures heck is everywhere else by way. Twenty-seven percent eighteen to thirty four fifty percent more than say. Tv say they only have content on devices would be at one fifty five and above seventy percent television and by the way go further out. I mean i. I i love the fact that softbank and i hope they do get redeem you. Don't think about three hundred year visions. I trying to think about fifty or visions. I'm not sure. Physical screens are relevant. Fifty years so i think content which currently enters your brain through a series of chemical physical biological elements and processes From the screen to your to your brain. I don't understand why the screen must be done. If physics chemistry and biology ultimately is the content is going to be created in transmitted to your brain and it is not going to matter because there will be screens. But i'll tell you this much certainly in the us you know. Don't sell your pc accessory stocks. People saying the pc is dead not just in gaming but never regard forever that i've been in the industry twenty five years bs by the tablet. Let's just tell the truth year old man like me. I mean it's not like it'd be. Yeah it's not like the ipad is a big iphone for games. Yeah yeah gopher willing go ahead. I'm curious where you know relatively quiet today. More than other episode. Yeah let's became my way with him. Because i get so much interaction with mike. Anyway you know because We have we have a. He's been phenomenal supporter in an advisor and a mentor for me. So i'm just thrilled to have him here. And i always liked to. I wanna go more into. Yeah and for those. Who don't know. Mike is highlighting the book of sports in the background which i one of the residents. You don't know how to read. But no what am i like the most flattering moments in the bug with getting the endorsement for mike and that was not easy to get by the way that was not easy to get beg and plead and come on. Let me put your name on it. But this work william your mary but before you were married. Did that work Get away with that. Who knows who knows my who knows my track record at bats man but the venture model. Okay serious question here. Because i'm curious. I like speculating on that future. The screen less future right. I think that's super interesting. And i think people in general don't appreciate how fast that change occurs. How much tipping point moment like and i always think of the moment in my life goes mobile phones. Where like everyone at blackberries and they sort of like and we're like oh yeah business. We got the iphone came out like well. It's sort of a better blackberry. I mean like it has a dynamic keyboard and some web browsing but come on and then all of a sudden within like two or three years just everybody had converted over. It was nineteen day You know. I think very much that the same thing is gonna happen with the immersive Tax around whether it's vr a or a are in your case it of screen list viewership. I think that's a huge moment. We're coming up on in the industry. And i would love for you to say more about uncannily. Like how close is it. Because this thing i struggle with like you said. Vr is going to happen. It's a hardware actio but when like it's a huge issue if it happens fifteen years out brazilian ib route. They're going to be this in less than five years. I mean no question right. I mean it's taken awhile. Hey would my buddies agenda did kind of be in this category of bringing immersive to the masses. You mean jacob and there is yeah. I think that'd be a good fit you jenn. It's interesting what they're doing is pretty phenomenal particularly with. I think a i generated television shows right. Didn't they do something around. That jovanu shows slash games zodda living By by the way. I know i'm jumping around here a little bit for you but a tail tail. How come that didn't work. We need to break that. Down one day is episodic An option or not really interesting question because they had really good franchises right. They had like sam. And max and like and it was a very interesting business model. Which is you know basically like hey we can get a lower like basically we can deliver a single player experience but we can convert the sixty dollar price point two nine ninety nine price point and it should work in theory. 'cause it's basically a micro transaction model right a crazy point like why did tell tale not work it should be a slam dunk. Was it just adventure games. Like it's a good model but adventure games had run their course. We were ready for different interactive media. I would like to know you know. Maybe they were too self-satisfied. Maybe there's just too much content coming out to maintain an episodic momentum. Yeah that could be. It is think about it like when you're really into a single player game right you wanna keep playing the game. You know what i mean. You don't want to have to wait three more months for another ten dollars. It creates too many opportunities for disengage. There are hundred other ones waiting for me. Exactly it discourages grinding. In some way or like your it discourages you from actually blowing through the content and it could also be just the advent of taking a sixty dollar doing nine ninety nine price. Point is great but other people are taking a sixty dollar price point. Two zero dollars price point they'd invented free to play so price was a barrier for you will this was a big innovation. It wasn't the innovation because that was ftp which was literally occurring at the same time. I have a problem when people tell me that. They've got a paid up have had beaten to my head that i could do better with a free. You know interesting company. That's done very well. And i respect them. Another israeli company involved with them directly light rix. It's a paid out and apparently they've done super well but anytime with their main funder. I'm always saying to him. I dunno guys. I just think yes free to play. Just whack the crap out of the all the you know the dimple. Dr pimple popper endorses. This pimple siltser removal for ninety nine cents. By if you don't watch. Dr bill popper until talk then you know. I don't know what to say. My does that mean you are not a fan of Of like any serve ongoing service model or like is your view that everything is better off free to play in the gaming industry whether it's content or games like do you think xbox game pass at some point doesn't make sense or or netflix. His upcoming whatever subscription they're gonna do won't make sense or dining. It's an awesome question. I don't. I don't mean to imply that i am basically a a skew is free. Shall i when i did work for bethesda i'm dudes i don't wanna look your spreadsheets. It's like pc con saw. It's free and don't don't tell me you're gonna you know mix and match and give the things that are not used to let everybody else the sims online years ago. If we it made a free to play you know Her thousand copies of what. I predicted we would have multiple at eight million active sims players in pc. We would have had millions downloaded. I'm sure we would have caught up with people so i. It's hard for me to look at a pain app. Not ask about the free model but the free bottle of me is is monthly subscription. Ihop power ups extras no ads. If i was the chang of apps i would like every app of the world would have no ad button. you know. you're ninety nine cents a month. Whatever and i know. And i that some great conversations with some great people including one of my favorite conversations of all time with under wilson a da years ago. And i said to andrew you leave money on the table. You should be charged more for your ip andrew said. I know that and i'm cool with that. Is i want to over. Serve these people. I wanted to start six hundred and you know make every penny and he actually had the wisdom to to charge a lot less than could have and so what we discovered is not only the third wales but that we can is. There is no average. Why are we selling things for an average price. I mean it is amazing to me. I was on this trip to kabo. Just chill yesterday day before we took out a small catamaran small crew and they just threw photographer on board and you might go ell the For was free my point of view. I was paying for that photographers. Like gas and food of what. I was kinda angry because no one told me and of course what they wanted me to do is to buy a picture. Because i don't have a camera. And i kept thinking from a business model point of view that free to have dog for on the boat in every single picture. Gosh you know. Where was the free picture. Today of this amazing thing with fisher. Chinese are the doritos. And then i buy fiber pictures or i mean. There's so many things i can say about this. And also i said to people on the boat and got tired we ranting arabia's. I'm sure all of you are now i. I don't think this the right way. They're like sneaky. Sneak the photographer on the boat. And then omega is free you know the restaurants. Does that ever so happen with what they should have done is after we book the boat. They should have written us and said. Would you be interested in these supplements. Mr voire house for instance instead of the v. One grenache sarah mix. We can deliver v. Three from casa madero for an extra six dollars photographer private photographer on the boat. Unlimited photos delivered digitally and a booklet. Five hundred dollars. I mean so what i want to say. I wanna say use your brain of business models and in digital you have omni opportunities for business models but don't locked front door. Yeah i love this. Might we can do ten more episodes with you. I just wanna make sure. Before we wrap because i know for the sake of time here i just wanna get get. I just wanted to get to this. Because i know you're involved here. Can you talk to. This is a story from games. be toya raises. Four million after miraculous lady bug crosses two hundred million plays on roadblocks were all big. Fans of what roadblocks is building. I know you're personally involved with toy here Could you just speak to this a bit. And what toya's doing what your experience has been with roadblocks. If any or. I'm proud to say that both when i for other people than when i worked for that amazing or directors that i mentioned earlier showering with me every day The roadblocks says a client night. I think the world of them. And and dave basuki is I mean i don't ever like have an argument with him because will always win but He is a visionary. he is in gaming you know elon. Musk and david. Halgason rolled together Show i had this great opportunity through my good friend named guy to be here in israel to a notch burling And he fought Whose last name. I cannot brown right. The second of founded toy. A number of years ago they started making games. They wanted to get to girls minor females and they wanted to get games in front of them that were positive role models and they started on minecraft. They're not like not fun. It's just it's not you know the the guy's not you know bring home the bacon and the woman's not you know changing the diapers it's you know. Every gender is not central to the role of the people in these games and of course it miraculously. But you have a female protagonist anyway and a not a sperling. The ceo and co founder of former former a filmmaker a feminist filmmaker so maker as damnest a great person. What are the best israeli business. I've ever met great listener. Great talker is always open to new approaches and they did not give up the raised about you know million bucks or so made a couple of games. Kill bad game supercell supercell. We talked about killing game. We talked about killing games. Now are ongoing relationship and they've tries to different. Ip differ cogez. Zag which is also israeli based came to them may have played. I can't remember if i played a role in introduction. Meanwhile we were kind of running out of money you know. I mean you know the number one thing you know that guys raise it around as he's doug nettle money generally speaking. I mean we can make very inexpensively in israel and show says substantial team than ukraine and by majority of the technologists developers coders etc are women they even had they done a number of things in terms of diversity and inclusion and they launched game act lady by and we saw amazing morality. One of the many things. Roadblocks does to help their studios. Is they give you a good testing environment with thousands of players. So if it's a great game it will get great metrics. I looked at them regularly. For toyah and you know when we did a million two million three million in the next thing i know where ten million five days. Then we're at one hundred million a month. And i start calling everybody that we've ever met with on the funding side. Hey you hear about an onset game and you an opportunity update update you're back and hits the road and all the best people looked at her We got really close with one or two very traditional big names. Mobile game funding. Who of course wanted to know. If we're really just a stalking horse for ios android which you know imagine knots considering that but if you quadruple roadblocks overall you recognize it which is easy to do you go women. They're opening in china. I mean toyo probably doubled their numbers just by going live in china and you increase the number of road bucks and you recognize that there's very little. Usa cost because it doesn't work in the roadblocks environments all algorithm driven. There will be hundred million dollar profit games coming off the robots platform. And by the way when you know a studio ten people can make you know ten thousand bucks a day. That's pretty good I mean we can't all be supercell overnighter or play chica and she ended up surprise surprise. Hit game good. 'cause good team coupla term sheets over subscribed and you know we get a sold. All company for evaluations took quite modest. I don't want investor who. I won't name public as much as i would like to. To implied said to me recently they only invested because she was a woman. Because i asked him to which is deeply offended by and i wanted to write a check immediately and lo and behold when he converted you know twenty percent discount below the current prisa is only question was can i buy more mike i noticed in this round was draft kings and i guess my only question was You know given the audience for these games and roadblocks. I know the data shows. There's a lot of eighteen plus on road blocks but At least the feeling is that trend's younger is draft. How does draft king sort of look at this kind of investment given the nature of their business of greg question. I'm really glad choked. Draftkings jason robbins. paul matthew. They saw a lot of early stage deal flow and they'd had a little bit of liquidity at different times so they started becoming angel. Investors at it became clear. That aid had good deal flow in the be. Something's made sense for drafting. Something's didn't some and they said you know what and this is. I don't know if it was jason robinson alone but you know. I adore jason. I think he's the next mark danny. I'm not gonna say jason jobs or gates. But i think he's Scaling businessman and he said you know what let's start. Fund will call a draft dry by draftkings. We'll it offer some investments in all the guys we had a ton of money. I mean all this tournament money andrea things. We can't stop. I giving money to each other and so -ccomplish putting money in boston seed put in some money i mean. How do you say no. I mean we're talking rain. we're talking about gigantic. You know returns. You know as a twenty two billion dollar company and low. Behold they had a far with lp's and and they. Broadly wanna do gaming they don't expressly anymore wanna just support draftkings but they will do sports data. They will do sports data. They will do sports betting they will do but they also wanted to create our economy. They also have a diversity and inclusion And when they announced their superstar advisory board you will see it in in all of its importance and show. It is in fact a stand alone company. I will guarantee you that the worst could have happened to us at toyota would have been for draftkings to think somebody would have thought that in any way they're interested in gambling on roadblocks i saw urina- davis rookie will have you removed from the planet. If you come up with addidas not a good idea and it's and it's not gonna happen. And we'll roadblocks age up. No doubt we should not forget. That one of the biggest grips playing a toon town in the old days. A kids game at disney. And emo. we're also everquest players in many cases but this is getting away draftkings. This is the roadblocks big question is. How much can you age up. Roadblocks for adults. It's an interesting one. And i was one of those everquest players that play toon town so there you go the the and you look even more that way today guys. You know that the time flew by here mike. We're going to have to have you back because we probably could have done ten episodes easily. I know we got to only scratched the surface. There's probably so much more we could have dug into here but thank you being on the practice. Four house filter will go viral. This me out at the book of east sports there you go. Great reminder. Go leave a review on amazon. Tell william how much you loved the book. You can also get it in spanish now there you go and my hake. Where can people find you if you to be found sixty zero dress. Mike four house. It linked michael whorehouse at linked my preferred easiest approach mike. Avoid house advisers dot com You guys put on a great series of content your exactly the creators That the world is living on your content. And i thank you for making that content. Well thank you for for coming and participating and taking the time. I know our audience is going to absolutely love. You know much. Make a real pleasure to get you on seriously pleasure just as always a quick reminder every wednesday evening we do a live show We get to all the news that we didn't cover on the podcast It's eight thirty. Pm eastern time every single wednesday would love for all of our listeners to come participate getting our faces. Ask questions challenges. It's a lot of fun and as always this podcast every single week. Make sure to follow us everywhere lincoln. Instagram tick tock youtube. We really appreciate it. Go by the book of sports. If you haven't already you've waited too long at this point. He's patriae account only fans again and as always guys we will see you next week. Thank you thanks for listening to the business of e sports podcasts. Check us out at the business of east sports dot com and on twitter at biz each sports.

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Asset Price Hyperinflation (EP.164)

Animal Spirits Podcast

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Asset Price Hyperinflation (EP.164)

"Today's animal spirits is brought to you by why charts I had a chart that I was looking to make which was. A ratio chart of the Nasdaq one, hundred divided by the Nasdaq one hundred equal weight. I didn't know how to do it a kindhearted. Why charts the told me it was very easy and it was very easy. I did that two seconds and what I wanted to show was. We compare tech stocks to small cap stocks to the S P Five, hundred obvious tax are everything but they're also out for themselves. So again, I created this chart showing the cues versus the equate version and it's gone parabolic protocol. We'll talk about it in a minute. Go to charts dot com tell them animal spirits sent you. If you're a new subscriber, you'll get twenty percent off purchase. Welcome to animal spirits, show above markets life and investing, join Michael, Bat Nick and Ben Carlson as they talk about what they're reading, writing and watching. Michael Bat Convince Charleston worked for RITHOLTZ wealth management all opinions expressed by Michael and Ben or any podcast guests are solely their own opinions do not reflect the opinion of ritholtz wealth management podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon for investment decisions. CLIENTS HAVE RE HOLTZ wealth management maintain positions in the securities discussed in this podcast. All right then. It's Monday morning Tesla started the day or at ended the weekend at a four hundred twelve, billion dollar market CAP. It's up nine or ten percent today because why not last week I wrote a piece called modern market cap theory which was a play on an t the idea that there's too much money what you really have to focus on our inflation and things like that. So the question that I asked was does market cap matters there no limit how big these companies can get last week I. Forget what day it was maybe once or Thursday. for which is a giant company was up twenty, five percent on the day facebook giant company was up eight percent on the day facebook at seventy billion dollars in a day NETFLIX's giant company was up twelve percent. What's happening I feel like this is sort of analogous to the Insurance Story I. Gave last week with my kidney stone by do numbers just have no meaning anymore when I took the CFA they never told meals textbooks that the best way to create shareholder value is to do a stock split no one ever told me that so it's Tesla's up eighty percents announced the stock split. Tesla's up eighty percents since this podcast started. So it's looking at in the Nasdaq one hundred. Did you create a Nasdaq one hundred pie chart yet? No, I didn't going. That's your next char crime the Nasdaq one, hundred now approaching thirty percent above its two hundred, eight moving average. So this is the highest that it's been in twenty years at the peak in nineteen, ninety, nine, it was sixty percent higher. So there are no rules of thumb. Any laws can this thing go on longer? Yes why not? My thing I said to you last week off air was last time this happened in the tech bubble the percentages is bigger but this time the market caps just dwarf anything that went on back then. So the biggest company back then Cisco was for a little while the biggest company in the world, it was four hundred billion. Market Cap was unflattering trusted? Well, we haven't had inflation for a while. So I don't know can't be that much. So that's the thing is just the numbers are different. So this is a step from Josh Wolff on twitter he said in two, thousand seven, the European Union took all the stock market's there was four times bigger than the tech sector today the tech sector now has passed the European Union in his numbers say nine point one, trillion for the tech sector versus eight point nine, trillion for the European. Union. Stock Market think about that the tech sector in the US is bigger than a European stock market, which that's where stock markets were started basically. In sixteen and seventeen hundreds. So four hundred, billion in today's dollars is six, fifteen, six, hundred, fifteen, billion. There's nothing I tweeted like seven companies or companies on a single day ended about three hundred, fifty, billion dollars, market cap. So then you're one hundred percent right that the bubble of the DOT COM era was insane in terms of the percentage increases or something that we might never see again but the dollars that are being added today dwarf that here's another theory throat to last week if we see a post pandemic world whenever That may be, could we see a huge reversal in this trade where everything has been pulled? So forward because of this and people think that technology is ruling the world could we see that reversal like we saw in the dot com not necessarily crashes eighty percent like the Nasdaq did back then but just that we see these other small cap areas and value the stuff that has got killed in a relief rally where this momentum pandemic tech play with that be too much to ask for people who are not in this area. If, we've learned anything this year. When you ask a question, can the answer is? Yes can this happen? Yes it could happen. Anything could happen. We always go to history when we look at this stuff but. I mean, maybe these things could get the fifty percent of the stock market. Who knows no one thought they could get this big in the first place. You said stuff that happens that has never happened before happens all the time. A few months ago we were talking about this. I was like this can't continue because if they continue to grow up the big five continue to this pace that they have in the past. What did I say in six years, they will be fifty percent of the market. Maybe that's where we're headed. I think in the next few years, apple is going to be a bigger piece of Berkshire Hathaway in Berkshire. Hathaway's is that was gonNA happen his holding an apple how bad would that company be if he didn't own apple doesn't make up like forty percent of the value of the company our something. Ridiculous. So. The big news last week was what's going on with the FAD and changing their targeting inflation to the average inflation and greg this was big news but wasn't really it was big news in a certain corner of the world the US. No. But I mean they never said it before but are the implications big. Yeah. But maybe just the fact that they came on said this so they said they're not going to. Raise rates early basically like they did it starting in two thousand, fifteen there two percent inflation target isn't it? Kind of laughable that can you imagine someone in the seventies or eighties that two percent inflation is supposed to be high now but just the fact that they're gonNA keep rates lower longer didn't kind of know this already though it is news but just the fact that they said it but it seems like, oh It's one thing to know it. It's another thing to hear them stamp it. So Greg epat at a really good little evolution of the fat he said, the Fed was created in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thousand after major banking panic with the purpose of serving as a lender of last resort to the banking system it was revamped during the Great Depression to better manage the broader economy when inflation unemployment both rose throughout the sixties and seventies Congress responded by many of the Federal Reserve Act maximum employment, stable prices, the feds. Goals. And now this, they've now said we care more about getting people back to being employed than we do about inflation. We're GONNA let inflation run high. If that's the case and I guess what they were saying is raising rates a bunch of twenty eighteen was maybe mistake now I guess. But I mean, my youngest kids are three years old in fifteen years when they're going off to college, it would not. Surprise me that time if we don't ever see rates over two or three percent, don't you think that are going to stay low for a long long time. Now, if they're willing to let this happen, can you see the Fed ever getting rates over three or four percent again in our lifetime? Potentially I'm like shell shocked by this market kept stuff that I'm afraid to give an opinion really yeah, we. Get interface in ten years. But how about this people say all there's no inflation. Have you seen? Prices at whatever the grocery stores one we always eat told me I can't say it anymore. So I'm not going to say it but I would ask the question to these people. The Fed has to measure prices somehow if CPI is not the preferred metric, what do you suggest that use should they have different interest rates in different geographies in other words if gas prices are high in California, should California have its own set of interest rates versus whatever Nebraska I sent you last week a video from Russ Roberts and he looked at this and he said the way they do it to is really hard. To Fathom, because you compare TV in nineteen seventy versity today and the cost actually isn't that different but the TV nineteen seventy was tube twenty, four inch thing. In today you can get a forty six inch one with a bigger screen, a better screen, but you're comparing those two same items even though today's is way better than it was in the past was a book recommended to me the great inflation Oh did he goes? I started reading that in the thing that jumps out to me about that book is. Even looking back on it now, I wasn't really. Happy with the explanation he gave for why it happened he still couldn't. Really. Get through the reasons why we got severe inflation back. Then he was saying that it wasn't necessarily the war he was saying it was policy mistakes. More policy than anything he said they were trying to stop recessions from happening and that's what we're doing now and rising inflation. So I didn't really come away satisfied with the explanation, but I think that's the reason because. It's something that it's hard to wrap your head around understanding why it happens in how it happens in the Fed is putting this out there even though they're saying they want inflation to get higher, they may get it just 'cause they say that that's what makes us so hard and so they're saying is inflation kit stay above or below because they're going to use an average what are they using a monthly moving average? What are they using? So I looked at the inflation rate, a trilling twelve months going back to the start of the last two, thousand, ten, sixty, three percent of the time since the start of the last decade inflation has been below two percent now in the US. So. It's already been pretty low for a while. So then letting go again, it's funny if you'd have told people three or four percent inflation is going to be considered high a few decades ago they would've said, what's wrong with you? That's not high inflation. That's nothing. And so obviously, it's always a relative world. The other side of this of course is that Bloomberg said, they think the Fed is going to be holding rates at zero for at least five years in his new policy Mike. Bloomberg said that, wow. Yeah. Can you believe that zing another difference was I guess Powell said this change reflects our appreciation for the benefits of strong labor market particularly for many in low and moderate income communities Yes. So they're trying to do what they can basically right and they're also saying to Congress and the rest of government listen. We're going to keep rates extremely low for you. You can borrow at nothing right now if you want to help us out with fiscal policy and then if the Fed needs to change their mind down the line they can. They're saying we're setting the table for you. It's already you're not going to borrow it anything do what you need to do another maybe textbook relationship needs to be rerouted is unemployment versus inflation. Now they're saying the naturally of inflation, the idea that we're GonNa go below that, and then inflation is gonNA shoot up is not necessarily the case anymore. So I mean another table were sitting here. Are we going to get potentially the mother? All asset bubbles from this people are GonNA be able to borrow for low. There's GonNa be nowhere else for people to put their money but the stock market if you're putting that hat believe asset price bubble. Yes. As a price inflation as at price hyper inflation is coming right Rates are going to be for a long time and people are going to blame the Fed in listen I. Think the Fed is playing the hand they've been dealt. I think they're also saying in some ways the recovery after two thousand nine was way way slower than it should have been and we probably could have done more to help that and we're not GonNa make that same mistake this time around which I think is again, they're trying to do the right thing here but there's GonNa. Be People who want free markets are going to be angry the Fed no matter. What here's something I didn't see coming. From The Wall Street Journal the price to earnings ratio and the S&P Five Hundred Against Twelve months over twenty five, which is the highest level since two thousand and two of the four same thing by the way two, thousand two obviously there was a trump and earnings, which is why stocks might have appeared expensive that metric there were cheap. This is not what I expected. The HEADLINE IS THE MEDIAN S&P stock has never been more expensive to which I would say this isn't what you'd expect it in March obviously but now. The market has made all-time highs including day seven days in a row. We've had twenty new all time highs this year as of last. Friday. With stocks back at all time highs in interest rates at all time lows. Should we not be surprised that valuations are so high in the fact that tech stocks dominate the stockbroker now doesn't this actually make sense like wouldn't it be more shocking if the market was low valuations here then you think something's wrong if the market had screaming low valuations, well, this is going on wouldn't you say this make any sense I think the opposite what's going on does make sense but think about what's on the rest of the world we have had low valuations lowest rates so that dynamic can exist i. Guess. What I would say to this biggest pushback hasn't husband been the median stock market cap is an indicator for a few years. Now, that's the thing and it hasn't mattered. He was doing that for a while Oh he was doing media market cap revenue I believe was that he was using, and by the way I'm not saying all of this market cap stuffed relevant I'm just saying we've learned that this might matter it might not. But this is a really difficult way to invest your money is what is the? S. and P. Five hundred valuation level earnings fell off a cliff because of pandemic and now people are betting on future earnings not just next year's earnings right it's not just the next twelve months Theoretically, if we're going to be long. Stockholders you're betting on the next thirty, forty, fifty years of earnings, not just next year's obviously that's how the market works. You don't think Robin Hood traders are doing a discounted cash flow analysis and using a terminal value to get back to the president of they're not doing that I don't think anybody's ever use a discount casual analysis at least that's what trump says about buffet. Okay. He does it in his head, but everyone else has sees a spreadsheet anyway. So there was an article in the Wall Street Journal that our very own nick majorly contributed to showing. So people talk about the speculators here the robina traders this market is still dominated by institutions. They still make up over eighty percent of the treaty. In China, for example, individuals often account for more than eighty percent of volume in Korea. It's eighty five percent. Wow. Wow, that's huge I. wondered to me like the obvious question is that's a lot of suckers potentially at the table do active managers in China and Korea outperform the indexes. Or why aren't more hedge funds in a? US. Trading those markets to try to take advantage they said, this is from tab research group and they said in the first six months of the year individuals accounted for nineteen point five percent of shares traded in the US stock market up from fourteen point nine percent last year in double the love of two, thousand ten. But again to your point, if you invert this, that's. Still Eighty percent of the market is being driven by pros. So trying to blame this all on Robin Hood short-term traders, they're still one fifth of the trading volume. They're not moving it. They're not going to move the big names even the Tesla's of the world. So I think in the Charter Nick rated, are they going to potentially push around shares Kodak and to Cola Yeah but trillion two, trillion dollar companies get Outta here. So speaking of Kodak, do you know what's down from the all time? I or if not from the high of two weeks ago, three weeks ago four ago. What did it go to sixty? It's down eighty, two percent your plumber got out just in time. So it's down back to under six dollars a share. My Plumbers Sharpe Ratio is eleven. So, it went from two dollars a share to thirty eight hundred Heidi to get what's a sixty or sixty day today and then back down to six. So that's fun. Anyway, again, that shows you that if you're riding one of these waves with these short term traders at the wall. Street read it form or whatever you can push on these things around based on. Headline or just some. Anecdote. Whenever people are looking at value versus growth. They typically point to the Russell indexes which were created in nineteen seventy nine. So based on every metric growth has been value even going back to inception and the Russell indexes I don't want to go as far says they're flawed but they do some things that are above and beyond simple, very simple naive valuation analysis. So they use market, they use a medium-term forecast earnings. Growth rate and they look at sales per share growth rate based on five year historical sales. So it's not just cheaper expensive and Jack Vogel and Alpha architect did was he recreated this index and just simply said he just drew the line at five hundred if you're above or below below the five hundred above the most expensive five hundred based on nothing other than pe and I think he did an annual rebalance. And looking at this metric value actually still outperformed by. Lot? Say Three hundred basis points a year. Oh it. Okay there anyway. So you're saying that the value is in the eye of the beholder in the way that you look at, it can change kind of there's no amount of data mining or defining how value works. That would repair the last five or ten years. However you slice it, you couldn't data mine value out of this. There's no way to Jujitsu value. APP from growth of. The past ten years. But if you reconstruct the next a little bit there you go. If you would have just bought all the stocks split over the last three months of outperformed value over the West. Ninety years. That's obviously a new factor. What do we call that stocks factor? I don't know the concussion factor because I don't know you have to have brain damage to invest on it. I don't know those joke. All right. Sorry. That's okay. This is another good chart this chart particularly, it's another way of saying the same thing we've been saying over and over and over. Showing the S&P five hundred broke it down by Dessel and the Metro using is. The market value of intangible assets per employee obviously left to right. It's pretty linear, and that's because companies that have ton of intangible assets per employ. Are you know the names somebody accused me of saying very often that's one of your favorite free. So if you have more protect dominant firm, you're outperforming if you have a more asset heavy firm, we're having to invest in stuff in your. Energy you're doing much much worse. Now Amazon, go the cashier fearless technology may come to whole foods as soon as next year. So this is the idea where you walk into the store scans, your phone or some Qr code or something you never go to a cash register as you put stuff in your car your bag, it automatically charges your Amazon account you walk out you never have to check out. So would we put this in the great for consumer terrible for Society Camp Maybe terribles overstated but if you count up all this is one of the Scott Galloway books I think three million people are employed as some form of cashier or checkout Kinda thing in all stores and But what is the upfront investment to put this in its stores and how long would that take to get that going I don't know there's going to be a transition period and have you ever tried to check out at one of the self checkout lanes you can't do that without a human. You never get caught behind the person who can't scan in check out themselves. There's GonNa be some back and forth this, and you think about obviously this type of technology, there's going to be these huge disruptions in the same thing happened to the twenties with farmers in early nineteen hundreds. But I mean if you think about it, even if we get these self driving trucks that carry all of our cargo across the country back and forth, they're still probably going to need to be someone on that truck even if they're not driving just to make sure that stuff gets loaded and offloaded correctly they're going to have to. Be There for maintenance and upkeep even not drive it. So this is going to be still a need for people. In these things, you might just have to change your skill set, of course, but yeah, trade your skill set what are you a twitter VC Personna? No, you just have to change your mindset learn to code. I'm just saying it's just going to be different than for like long haul truckers. If you're on one of these tests, trucks could drive itself. You're going to have to be sitting there in the maintenance for the truck instead of driving it putting in the routes and let me ask a question. Does that happen though when people are displaced by technology, they adopt to whatever. Technology has displaced them like in the example, you gave eighty percent of people worked on farms in the lady dude hundreds, and now it's two percent of people, but it's just the transition to get to that place. That's difficult for everyone. That's the part where. If the FEDS GONNA keep the interest rates low forever. The government has step in and help those people out if they're going through that rough transition period. Bezos now has a personal market cap of two, hundred, billion dollars. So that would make him what the thirtieth big stock in the S&P Probably Twentieth Biggest Doc Maybe It's cruiser. So. Let's talk about my car leasing experience. Okay, you've been pretty pumped about this set the table here. There's a piece in axios that talked about how in mid March it's every major auto manufacturer stopped production for the first time since world. War. Two. which is Kinda crazy and I think that's happened in a lot of areas, which is why we're seeing spike in things like people are talking about the demand but lumber prices are just going bananas right now they're up what three or four times from the lows in obviously part of that people are fixing their houses and building new houses but part of it. Is just probably stopped production. This is why I think we could get like an inflationary head fake because the supply fell off fast the demand but they said the average transaction price on a new car is over thirty thousand dollars. It's up about four hundred dollars since January twelve, hundred dollars since last July, the profits are up to if you're trying to find. A new car or even a used car I guess it's really hard to do. I could corroborate that which are willing to second this part surprise me gross profit on new vehicle sales were more than eleven hundred per unit versus eight hundred bucks last year. So that's not a lot of money if these dealerships are making thousand bucks on a car on average pretty thin margin, that's not a lot pretty thin. So I guess a lot of their profits are made on the service side, which makes I guess I never really thought about that. But this explains why sales people car dealerships don't really chase you. So for example. I I went to a dealership. There's I don't know a dozen more jeep dealerships on Long Island. So I just wanted to go in and get some sort of baseline for what these cars are going to cost and it varies. So what I really wanted was a jeep wrangler I want to take the top off. That was pretty much. My only requirement I didn't care about apple play or cloth versus leather. Do they tell you excuse me sir? Your Bald we're not going to sell you a jeep. You can take the top off not a good idea. Sorry continue. So I didn't really care about the model, there's the sport which is like the lowest model than there's this in the Rubicon I wanted the cheapest one I just wanted to wrangler I didn't care I didn't want it any rainbow colors I just want to black white grey whatever. The first guy said we have to on the way they'll be here in in a few weeks. So what's the price? Punched up on the computer this is the price is like I that's more than I wanted to spend. What about the Grand Cherokee, what's the price on that? So called what the price was. And I said, okay thanks a lot and I walked out and he didn't try to negotiate I wasn't looking to negotiate I. Just didn't like the VIBE. So I went to a place five miles down the road. So I went to this place and I met with the young person who is very nice. was telling me what's going on with inventory, how they only have the higher end wrangler but the have tunnel. And I probably was there for an hour and a half and I walked out, he did the thing where he goes. Let me talk the Majer. He's probably got a grand joke four, hundred bucks a month. Talk to the manager came back. I here's the best we got three, seventy, nine something like that and I said all right. Let me just call my wife. He was offer me like the cloth no apple play no sun roof and I didn't even realize no four wheel drive, which is kind of imported. So. I said to the guy can I come back in ten days? I don't need the car today he's like you come back but this is the best deal that we're going to give today as A. All right. So then he's like wait wait what if I can get you the wrangler could find the wrangler for you for four sixty month. Would you do that? So I said Yeah. I'll sign paperwork today if you give me that anyway I emailed him twice you never got back to me because there's only a thousand dollars gross profit. What's available to the salesperson hundred, two, hundred maybe three hundred bucks maybe so they're in the volume business they're not looking to work too hard gets for each individual cell I'm generalizing I've no idea. So if you're in the car industry and you`re Listening to me sorry, if I told the Marcus but anyway so now I have quotes I know roughly what the car is going to go for. So then I call three different dealerships I spoke to a receptionist told him what car I wanted I spoke to a sales person to talk about miles and specifics of the car. So I spent that one day I was in the dealership for. Probably three and a half hours kill the whole afternoon. That's not a fun experience. Either when you're the person who has the information disadvantage and I'm not an animal there I don't get steamrolled but I'm not aggressive. I don't like being put in that situation. It gives me anxiety just some people really enjoy the art of negotiating I guess the art of the deal I'm not one of those people. So I spent a lot of time doing this hours and hours and I got nothing to show for it because on the phone, they wouldn't negotiate with you. They're like well comment and looked for common and we'll homeless adults but I don't want to come in. I'm telling you can give me what I'm looking for I will drive there I'm ten minutes away I will get the car today I am a serious buyer. and. I couldn't get a quote from three dealerships so. A friend of mine was like, why don't you broker I know a guy so I've heard of car brokers but I thought that they were only for like super high in cars, luxury automobiles, which this is not as looking to spend. In the four hundred dollars a month for this car. So anyway, I, texted him on Sunday. He called me back in two minutes. I told him what I was looking for now is a total of two to three minutes on the phone. He said all right I'll call you tomorrow and let you know what the deal is inventories tight but I'll call on day he called me on Monday said I could find wrangler, but you're going to be paying a hundred twenty five to one hundred, fifty dollars more. A month now, what I got for you in January so that's up to you but I'm just telling you that you're gonNA be significantly overpaying. That's a pretty crazy difference in eight months I'm making the numbers, but he's like I could get you this for four, seventy five no money down I could've got this do for three, twenty, three, thirty, January I'm like not doing that. Why would I do I want to put them up like desperate for it he's trying to sell you a wrangler at eight thirty P.. So I said. All right. Let's just do the Grand Cherokee. I want either granted or black. He's like what packaged you want. I don't know just I guess, can I get a promote starter his again palm. So thousand other four minute conversation on Tuesday he called me and said, I, found your car here's the price. Sounds like what would this cost dealership? He's like listen I don't want to bullshit you inventories tight as you know I probably could have got this for you lower earlier in the. Early in the year but you know the specs you go into a dealership it see what you could get a four and I was like. I'm not doing that why would he do that? I'm talking to you because I don't want to do that but I just know based on what they told me where I would be price wise and he definitely had got me cheaper than I would have gotten for myself. So that was Tuesday he took my credit check on Wednesday, he said art I found the car and I said Cool I'm leaving tomorrow morning I'll be back on Sunday so I guess I'll get it when I get back he's what time you leaving. So said ten o'clock he said I'll call you back in two minutes. Call me back and said the car in your driveway six o'clock. He gets paid out of the commission. So there's no out of pocket expense for this. So again, I probably spent a total of call fifteen to twenty minutes on the phone with the guy I think the worst part of it for me for the last two cars that we've taken on how did the paperwork process work? Is it all Docu sign? No they brought me the physical papers. I. Had to sign an initial maybe eight times for as we had to do it the guy was haggling me over trying he wanted. To Sell Me Insurance on the little key fob, he's like if you lose one of those three hundred bucks so you've got to buy insurance on it for like a dollar like no, I'm not GonNa do that I'll take my chances if I lose the key honestly took my wife and I a half a day to go through all the paperwork in back and forth on it and we lost half day and I'm like, yeah, you're right. I would much rather have someone do all that for me and I don't care. I'm not kidding when I say this is great. I'm GONNA use him forever. He took care of me. It was easy. It was paying this. Now I got a few emails and messages from people that work in the industry. Some were like, yeah we have to do a better job being transparent and I kind of feel bad. I'm not trying to ruin somebody's whatever someone's going to have to write a sub stack on the financials behind a car transaction, the profit and loss there because if you're saying that the margins are so thin but this car broke still make money and get paid at the dealers. I'M GONNA have to see the breakdown of those numbers. I would love to some of the responses that I got were checkout Karvina checkout, autocorrect USA dot com apparently COSCO has a really good situation where they give you the car. Two hundred bucks over Amazon. There's a no haggle prices costco where they say over the dealer and they basically say you're going to get the lowest price that they could give you. We've already done the haggling for you. Amazing. Yeah. But I still had to go through the dealership thing if someone would deliver it to me and I signed the paper at home, I would much prefer that what what you did. Did, you see this somebody tweeted? How does anyone take this guy? SERIOUSLY TECH BILLIONAIRE MARK? Danny off wants. To, take no layoff pledge as part of an eight-point plan to deal with coronavirus thousand. March. And then in August and then they just laid off. After blockbuster quarter salesforce lays off nearly a thousand employees. So the day they laid off a thousand employees was the day their stock was it up twenty, five, percent, twenty, five percent. It's tough luck. Okay. So obviously, your millennial, you're buying a car and it wasn't that long ago. People said mornings are never going to buy a house again. There was plenty of stories written about that how it's never gonNA happen. They can't afford it in other words when Wall Street Journal. which by the way does the Wall Street Journal have the best charts of any big financial publication there is not even close right over fifty percent of home purchases. As of July were from millennials vs thirty, eight percent in two, thousand, nineteen, thirty, two percent in two, thousand, fifteen. So it says, this is from Wall Street Journal Article Moya's could be responsible for at least fifteen million home purchases in the next decade in of course there now, the biggest demographic but this is another one of those things where you just knew this was coming at some point. It's almost shocking to me that people thought this wasn't going to happen. Because, guess what people grow up have responsibilities they need to settle down the families. Of course, this was going to happen. Yeah and then I would say that this is just the accelerate coverage of sped up our already in place. Yes, we're going to retire that phrase though eventually because what accelerate? Yeah that's. That's the GO-TO. Sorry that turning into cliche now. Sorry. No I've used it to. That's why I love you. I appreciate you keeping me honest. But if you WANNA sound smart about Covid, if you want to sound like you know what's going on listen, it's just an accelerator trends are in place before it happened. I've said it to sorry. I. Didn't mean to yeah that was as well. Here's another one. This is not an accelerate. This is a complete course change change. Of course, fire extinguisher fireworks sprayed a fire extinguisher on this one. Sovereign wealth funds invested four point, four billion dollars in real estate in for seven months of two, thousand, twenty down sixty, five percent from the same period a year ago, and this is sovereign wealth funds their usually typically buying in commercial real estate. This isn't like they're buying residential. So this is commercial real estate pullback obviously. So if one of the biggest buyers steps back, so it says a three sovereign. Funds sit within the top ten largest real estate investors while house commercial property. Not sure. I mean I guess maybe prices already so low that there by I don't know but just but there are probably people who were sitting on them. WHO said I'm not going to sell now because I'm selling at a huge loss if I don't have to, there's probably not much of a market there at the moment. Okay. So this is interesting one from Derek Thompson. He talked about he's been covering this pandemic from a bunch of different ways but isn't it kind of crazy how the evolution of things have gone member at first? It was like don't touch your face. You have to wash your hands for twenty seconds and then it morphed into it seemed kind of weird to even be thinking about masks, and now there was one about wiping off your grocery. Yes. We did that for a few weeks living life for groceries, all these weird steps that you now you. Don't even think about, but the mask thing I know people still push back on it but I come into my wife yesterday when you go up any store or into a restaurant pickup takeout or whatever it is people are masked up everywhere. It just seems like it's Kinda kind of maybe people don't do it as much in outdoor settings I don't know what the stories there if you have to or not. But it seems like the mask thing has we've gotten pretty good adoption. So he's saying now they're trying to figure out how does this thing? Transmit. And the science behind it, and they're actually saying that talking quietly or just not yelling and being loud. He saying if we implement library rules in that, basically is the same thing as wearing a mask. So he's saying if we could get people to tone it down a little people trying to figure out why have things in Japan, been working so much better and they still have these subways that are packed with people in Tokyo. Would you just take it easy Walter? They have unwritten rules. They're commuters try to avoid talking loudly, and they haven't had any breakouts on their trains because they don't talk lobby obviously in place like New York with this ever fly fix said stop yelling at each other or talking that wouldn't work, and obviously if we told people his thing and he replied me on twitter on this I said okay maybe in schools. We shouldn't have kids talk as much. We should have them communicate through technology since they do anyway. But he said that one of the epidemiology said maybe in school, they should be using microphones because that's the way that you dispel these droplets is by shouting and yelling anyway, just kind of bizarre I'm just looking for anything because my daughter's going to school two days a week. And it's really weird. She had her first school today that all dressed up and ready and pictures in front of the house just. So she could go sit at our kitchen table to do her school project and. Yeah Anyway. So I'll take anything at this point because it's bizarre. So the Governor of New Jersey is an animal spirits listener. Yes. So a bunch of people send this to me because I said this a few weeks ago. So the idea is people born in new, Jersey are going to be entitled to a one thousand dollar state-financed nest egg, and here's my only problem with it their bonds they're gonNA buy bonds with it instead of Tusla. Yes. Instead of maybe splitting it and they're going to invest in like thirty year bond which pays out one point three percent. So after eighteen years at one thousand dollars would be twelve, hundred, seventy dollars. But it's a start. So that says the initiative reply to children born into families earning less than one hundred, thirty, thousand dollars a year, which would be about seventy percent New Jersey residents, and it would be available to these kids after they turn eighteen. I think it's great. Anything down this path I think it's a great idea and even if it is whatever thousand dollars or something to someone just entering college or just getting out of high school whatever. That's still a lot of money that can be a big difference in helping those people. So I think if we could get something going I'm all for it but just put it in the stock market. So. J Woods did a post for ramp capital. Same basically like. I saved. Montana. Five twenty nine for all these years and what we have to show for it. It sounds like he's got kids that are fifteen, seventeen nineteen and he's been saving for college. Now, this college experience that he thought he was saving for is more or less taken off the table will this change how you think about what you're GonNa do for your Kids College No. I don't think. So I still think this is a odd situation I mean, what would the alternative be? Not, safe for them. Say I don't know I. Think Colleges the four year university system that we have in places undisrupted. Will I tend to think there's a lot of people think education is going to be this is a turning point. This is a foregone road I think this is one of those things that is just GonNa go back to normal maybe. There's bigger schools that will try to implement more of a an online course but I just don't see how you're gonNA ever get eighteen year olds not wanna go to campus with kids their age and their peers and have fun and well, how about this? What if we could say that? Michigan and Florida, and those schools will always be maximally employed or whatever. They will always have max tuition there, but maybe the idea of paying forty grand for a Liberal Arts degree college doesn't have to be for everyone of this can give birth to some alternatives. Then I'm all for that. Yeah I do agree that the private small. Liberal. Arts colleges. That you don't get as much out of maybe those are probably the most easily destructible. You would assume that people will be calling into question that but I just think this is one of those areas where it's just GonNa go right back to normal if some of these schools don't run into so much financial peril that they have to really cut back I think most of them are going to be the same as they ever were on. All right. Let's move to listen to questions by the way. I. Should mention that. were. So backed up on these lists of questions, I think we've got about. Almost thirty in the queue, we might devote full episodes of one of these because we are getting really good questions. Yeah, and we just can't get to all of them. Let's few today. The assumption is that sports gamblers traders will return to sports gambling post covid. The sports gambling takes a major long-term hit from this marks are much more fun and the Sports Book vigors insane. What if a won't result is that a sports betting industries forced revolve to a market based approach or face problems enticing gamblers back the car system. Actually, there was a story this week that MGM is laying off Eighteenth Alison workers, which is quarter of their job source. Now I, guess they had to after six months they could bring them back but in July revenue in Vegas was down thirty nine percent, which is not as much as I would have thought, I'm guessing that in May and June was probably seventy eighty percent anyway what he said at this person if this happened in sports gambling took a hit then all the podcasts at are now tied with them would hit too but I mean I think they're going to. Integrate with everything and make the fan experience of the game. So you're gonNA probably have your phone or an ipad there in your betting on the next play I. Think they're just GonNa Jim this stuff down people's throats I would not want to bet against this trend I think sports game was GONNA as it's growing and maturing, and it's legal more places I. Think this is just going. To evolve and get even bigger and I think people are GonNA end up getting crushed. If you're betting, I don't know fifteen hundred bucks at a game in years having fun in. Okay. Third and ten. Are they going to pass run a drawn? You're betting on it somehow I think that stuff is going to happen at some point. This kind of fun legalize sports betting it just started. I think they're going to have to improve the technology pending insurance. Anything is that people's willingness to speculate is very high if they want to. They're going to all right in a recent episode Michael. Claimed? The advice to take the exams among the worst advice he has ever received boy I don't think that's going to go on. We'll see if website what would you say to a young financial planner who has his or her CFP and is considering the deepen their expertise money meant by that was it was such sort of flippant advice like, Oh, just to the fan, you'll get a job as a of hedge fund and I was like, Oh cool. That's what I meant. It was not realized advice I'm glad that I did. Like go back, not do it but specifically through dress you what would you say young financial planner who has has her CFP pianist considering the to deepen has her expertise. Nothing wrong with trying to deepen your expertise I don't necessarily think you need the CFO to do that and I think that really and truly it is table stakes to be assaulted analyst. I. Don't think if you're a CFP, you necessarily need to spend time on this because it's such an enormous Teichmann. I, felt like I gave up years of my life studying for the stuff not be able to go out and if you already have your CFP. In. Even, if you take full control over your clients portfolios as a financial planner, I think you're going to get more out of self study in working their clients than you are out of getting the I. Think the CFO is more for people who are in that entry level and need something to get ahead. What whatever conditions. All right. First of all I'm having yellowstone withdrawals we caught up and watch all three seasons I think that the season to season three finales. To of the best episodes of TV, I've seen all year so that one again is on my strong recommend for the third time now that we're caught up and there's no more seasons it hurts, and it's one of those things where you get done a good show, you don't to do. So we moved onto to Cobra Kai netflix's now I. Guess it was. A Youtube did you watch it yet? Who's the audience because you would think that's for people in our age demographic but then it's also kind of like for teenagers. It feels like like if you didn't know anything about the karate kid and you just watch the first three episodes, you would say who is the intended demographic? You'd say year fifteen-year-olds we ought to the. Yeah I guess we'll stick with it. I wouldn't watch it if I hadn't watched karate kid. But what because twenty minutes it's easy getting back to our eighties and how many episodes you watched three I mean it's not very good. Is it not but getting back to the eighties thing? In the nineteen eighties, you had unintentional comedy because it was just so cheesy in now this show is doing a wink wink nod nod that we know it's cheesy. We're going to do this cheesy too but to make fun of it, not unintentionally, they're lenient to appreciate that. Yes. So they're ironically being cheesy it's okay just because it came to Netflix's I just tried it out and it's very easy watch. It's pleasant. Yes and I kind of actually looking at it from the Johnny Lawrence's Perspective the the Cobra Kai guy best movie I've seen in a while that we watched two thousand sixteen when it came on forgot about a called allied with Brad Pitt never saw it's a world war two slash spy slash love story not a true story or anything but it's a really good spy one where you're going back and forth and try to figure out who's on which side well I'm a big love story guy yes and so it's got all those elements I liked it. I watched a love story this weekend on Hbo Max Somebody emailed us. It was like Michael Casablanca is a classic for Rusin. Go Watch it. It's funny allied. They meet in Casablanca the anyhow I seen it before I was thinking about it and I couldn't really articulate what? About it was so special. I'm thinking it was just Humphrey Bogart were so incredible. It was just excellent. It really was. So it's on HBO Max. It was an hour forty minutes gone with the wind I think it's like three hours. I've never done that. Don't know if I'm going to this great love story, it was nine, hundred, forty two. It didn't feel dragged on. You didn't mind watching a black and white movie not at all not at all I loved it. So anyway, I also watched another American classic that got all sorts of accolades and actually I think I was listening to on the big picture podcast. Ben Affleck is making a movie on the making of this movie Chinatown with Jack Nicholson, and Faye dunaway. have. You seen that? No, you heard of it. Yeah. I've heard of it. So nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two, it was pretty good kind of on some people's Mount Rushmore and the Pantheon but that's not fair I. It was GONNA move it. Okay. If you knew nothing about you, would you know? You're really hard pressed for movies these days if you're going back to like nineteen forties and Seventy S, I'm getting to the classics. No I'm saying like you though we run out of movies to watch. Oh, we're watching all oldies now. But this is kind of Nice I, mean when would I have ever found time to do this? Yeah. So one of the silver linings of this whole experience. Okay. So, you're gonNA give us your favorite movies from nineteen forty list next week. The forties was a mediocre decade I have to say. Okay, what I was saying listen that list that I gave last week those were all good movies. Some of them were great movies. My point was if you look at the nineties, the list can be three hundred movies. There's a shockingly small number of classic movies are great movies from the eighties. That's all. That's fair. Okay. Send Michael in email about his bad takes to animal spirits, PODS team about COM people love my bad takes. Next week.

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"Hey everybody. It's been higgins and Ashley I, and where the host of the almost seem as podcast I was the bachelor and know firsthand how dating twenty five people at one time is not easy and I was on the show a time or two or four, but I met my husband. So I'm Peru at the process works. We do interviews with the cast members creating the headlights and we know pretty much everyone. So where reliable source listen to almost famous on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. iheartradio radio, we bring you the best podcasts from the Ron. Burgundy show to the breakfast club to stuff. You should know. Really, all of today's biggest names, but each of these shows started with an idea and now we wind yours, we're looking to you for the next great podcasts. Simply go to next great podcast dot com to get the details and submit your pitch. We'll select up to ten semifinalists and give them a thousand dollars to produce a pilot. Then listeners for across the world vote on their favourite to decide the next great podcasts enter today at next great podcast, DOT COM. That's next great podcast DOT COM. Why shouldn't the next great podcast come from you? You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox sports radio. Welcome to the program. We made it to a Thursday. It's our one, Dan and the Danettes Dan. Patrick Show I think mclovin softened his stance on Luke don-shik. I'm having to work a lot harder to be anti Luca. If. They would just lose games that would help me out a lot. Dan I'm starting to look at that eighth and final spot in the West, and it's really shaping up to be very interesting because new. Orleans, the Blazers and. Also the grizzlies fighting for that spot there. You got the Pelicans with easiest schedule. They got Sacramento coming up later today Washington. San Antonio Sacramento and Orlando. The BLAZERS HAVE DENVER, the La Clippers Philadelphia, Dallas and Brooklyn, and Memphis as the tougher run here. They got Oklahoma City Toronto Boston and Milwaukee I, don't know what Milwaukee is going to put out there in the final game of the regular season. Doesn't come down to that Thursday August thirteenth of WHO's going to get in that eight spot and be able. able to play for the opportunity to go into the playoffs to face the LA LAKERS. By the way, you know the big news in the bubble is about the Lakers offense and even though we look at them and say number one seed in the West, there's really concern about that offense. Now, last night I didn't know what they were GONNA put out there against Oklahoma City but I think internally what they're working on is who is our starting lineup here because offense is been really prevalent in the bubble. They're not a great three point shooting team. They shot thirteen percent last night. But having your offense ready to go is going to be the key and that's why I want Lebron ad, I want them to continue to play. Now, I'M NOT GONNA maximum out and make sure they're playing thirty six minutes, but you gotta figure this out because you're if you hit the ground running against Portland, then you gotta be up to their speed because Portland. Or if you look at New Orleans, they're going to be going right away game one that first round of the. The playoffs here, and the Lakers have got to be up to that challenge when they start this series with one of those two teams. Maybe it's Memphis. MEMPHIS losing jaren Jackson junior that obviously hurt them. Because he had played extremely, well, The schedule doesn't favor them and they don't have their second best player out there. It looks like it's going to come down to Portland and a New Orleans as far as that eight spot they're getting into a plow. Then they face one another in the playoffs or the play in games the eighth seed gets. The seed only has to win one game and the ninth seated getting in a to win two games. Excuse me exactly. That's what I said as well. If you're the aid seed, then you just have to win one game against that team. You keep saying over. No, not going. It's not hitting me in the head. Welcome to the program. If you'd like get in touch, you can. You can email US dollars up, you can tweet. You can watch it on YouTube dot com slash the Dan Patrick Show and listen on a great radio affiliates around the country. Yes. mclovin has ever been a time where fans knew less about playoffs, different leagues like any of elites. Well, we didn't know if the NFL was expanding their playoffs. We didn't know we thought it might have been combined with the seventeen game regular season schedule baseball goes from ten to sixteen, and now with the NBA, you're GonNa have the eight nine see teams face one another for the opportunity to face the Lakers with the eighth seeded team only have they only have to win Win One of the three games whereas the nine seat, it has to win two of the three games to get in. Yes. mclovin. What if nine and ten are tied I? Don't want to get their. Yes. Todd. I'm still trying to understand what's going on with the hockey to if you want to throw that sport and also it's not clear with the seedings and who's doing what you're right. I. Haven't even gotten to that topic. I'm going to wait I'm on a need to know basis when it comes to that I just know they're doing a great job in the bubble in those two cities they're. All Right Baseball sent out a memo to its players basically saying they're going to threaten to fine and suspend. Just say you're going to be fined or suspended. Don't threaten them. Just do it like we've gotten to the point where, Hey, if you do it again, I'm really GONNA be mad. Okay, you did it. Now I'M GONNA. Be Matter. No. Just saying guys police yourself. We got a snitch hotline. You WanNA use that the NFL's got a snitch hotline. NBA's got a snitch hotline. If you don't police yourself, the season goes down the drain. It's as simple as that. That's it. If we have one more team that has an outbreak baseball probably shuts down. Pencil. and. If. You violate these roles, your loose with the rules just like Derek jeter said, Hey, our guys let their guard down. No don't let your guard down. Don't let your mask down. Just do what you're supposed to do, and we can get through this baseball season. That's all. But baseball's threatening to find and suspend Yep. Oh. Yeah. They they word it like that. Because if the backup catcher for the pirates you know goes out and gets in trouble, they'll suspend him. But if Mike Trout wants a ham sandwich just getting fined, they were going to keep him on the field. Ham. Sandwich class. Mike. Trout. Who hit two home runs yesterday by the way? I. Don't know if it matters. I also wondered about this with my trod. He's a wonderful player. We say the same thing about Mike Trout whenever Mike Trout's name comes up go yeah and he's using credible he's five tool player he's hall of Famer. We never do this to Mike Trout in what we do to other star players. Then get into playoffs. Doesn't win. I know. It's a baseball player and you got a team here. We do that too quarterbacks all the time. You got more players on football. Team. Been? A, pitcher will get lit up because he has a bad postseason Clayton. Kershaw. Greg. Maddux. And they get lit up. Whereas John smoltz got into the hall of fame, you know partially because he was unbelievable in the postseason Andy. Pettitte. Always great postseason Pitcher Whitey Ford Greek postseason Pitcher Jack Morris. Certain quarterbacks great in the postseason. Joe FLACCO has been great in the postseason. But. When it comes to my trout at what point do you say? You got hold him accountable for something there. And I know that they've tried to build a roster around him and Shohei. Otani is just not going to be the player that they thought he was going to be. He might not even be the hitter. They thought he was going to let alone pitcher and hitter. Pu Holes is winding down the hall of fame career, but you know you start to look at that roster and you wonder. Do we hold. Mike Trout in a different white than we do any other athlete in any other sport or in the sport of baseball. Yeah. Important. Well, I think I'm curious what Mike Trout is. If he goes the Albert Potholes role route because remember Paul says I ten years in Saint Louis. He didn't get paid a ton, but he was perfect. He never had a bad season, Mike Trout's twenty, almost twenty nine. He's top-five MVP every single year career I. He's never had an off year off your. To Ninety, five and thirty, five home runs. Do they look at the second half a career and I? Know they're paying him for a while but say like. At some point, we move on from this because it's not working like Saint Louis did with pools. You've already paid him right below you. You didn't get your bargain. You didn't get the bargain, but maybe you say, okay, we're we're paying for this and we gotta go another direction drought. We had this conversation every year trout turns twenty. Nine, tomorrow. Are, we gonNA, look at his career and say what could have been had they build a better roster there but. If you're you so far three postseason games. And that was six years ago that he played three postseason games. And, maybe it's not fair to hold him accountable. You know we did this with Barry. Bonds. You know we would say, Hey, you're not winning anything and some of these Ted Williams they. They say, Oh, what he didn't do much in the postseason or they didn't win. Trout is doing everything. He can possibly do I don't know how much more he could do. Unless he can pitch maybe that would help you make club. You didn't mention that they lost the game last I know that's what I'm saying to run jump they lose. A ride home runs like their up eight two in the seventh inning, and he hits a solo wonder right? Like he was the king of that who run? Oh Yeah. I mean, W-. I'M NOT GONNA put Trout in with a Rod, but like you know what I mean different home runs count differently when you hit him in close game, it's a lot different pitching's much tighter. Can you think of a player that is held less accountable for his team's success in baseball might trump? And if you look at, it's a sliding scale of he's the best player in baseball? And he could be a hall of Famer. If he ended his career, now be a hall of Famer. But they don't even get into the postseason. It's weird. We pick and choose of, Hey, you should be leading your team into the post-season like it's up to the quarterback to lead his team into the playoffs to win super bowls even though there are so many. Obstacles, there I. Mean. There's so many. Possibilities here of what could go wrong. You know defensive back fails to catch a ball on an interception. Well, quarterback didn't win the Big One. But with Mike Trout and I watched him yesterday and you just go. He makes it look so easy and it's not. But he might end his career and have very very little to show for it other than unbelievable stats. And I'm trying to think is there another player that similar to trout who has nothing to show for his career? I mean a rod came over to the Yankees and got a championship. But. Is there somebody that put up these unbelievable numbers pools one in Saint Louis? But I'm. Hank. Aaron won one title. I'm just trying to find out the. The best. Player with the. The probably the quietest resume? As far as polcy team team honors here. Yeah. Paulie I know he doesn't have the power, but you can compare his career to Tony Gwynn twenty with an all star for basically fifteen seasons never had a bad year raked the time Tony Gwynn appeared in two world series lost both but those two world series. He hit three, seventy, one combined. He did his part, but he never was the national stage best player and didn't do a lot of interviews. He wasn't the best player child is by far the best player, Yama Club, Ken. Griffey. Junior, Yup. That's pretty close I think. But I thought we had injuries though junior head injuries that Seattle team should have won at least one world series that had an unbelievable talent there. But yeah, Junior. But I don't think we hold him accountable. If you said, how many postseason games to Ken Griffey junior play in people would probably not have any idea. I, mean junior was great for his first ten years of his career, and then his style of play in the outfield caught up to him. Head injuries throughout the second half of his career ample. Yeah. Ken Griffey. Junior only appeared in the postseason three times in his career. And he he hit great was there. But it wasn't that often. Yeah. It's weird when you're trying it pictures, we hold accountable because they had the ball in their hands and they're able they're the quarterback out there. But we don't do that with position players. It's very, very rare that we do that and just I watched trout yesterday and I just thought I wonder if he's going to have anything to show for this career other than hall of fame stats when it's all said and done and four, hundred, million dollars or so. Yes. Baseball's kind of unique in that where you can be a absolute guaranteed first ballot hall of Famer and never really do anything in the postseason and be like well, wasn't my fall. Just said, the was the teams around me. It's always. It's always the pitcher. That you can, you can build like curt, schilling has a is he's a hall of Famer. My opinion has a hall of fame career because of his postseason, he was a very good regular season pitcher. He was a great postseason Pitcher, and as a result, we elevate his status. I don't I. Don't know if we take hitters down, but we do elevate pitchers or we do blame pitchers, Ernie banks, I don't think ever played in the postseason. And he had five five, hundred home runs in his career. MVP WE, want back. To. Back MVP's. all-star Fourteen fifteen. Times. But he never got into the posts more teams get into the post season now, which also could be held against Mike, Trout, I guess it's hard to not make the playoffs now in any of these sports. On Ernie banks played on a team that went fifty nine in one, hundred, three having Ernie banks out there every day, and you can't even win sixty together Paulie. You could compare pools and trout for their first ten years on the field. there. Stats are impeccable. Their first ballot hall of Famers in his first ten seasons. Mike, Trout's appeared in three postseason games in his first ten years. Albert. Pools appeared in fifty seven postseason games got world series. MVP This program brought to you by the great folks at Ray. Khan by RECON DOT COM. These are the wireless ear buds been talking about their the way to go get fifteen percent off your recon. By Dot com slash Patrick that's by Rica. Dot. Com Slash Patrick and I know people point out that he's supposed to be the best player in the game, but he's not the face of baseball doesn't do interviews. I. Can't ask you to be something you're not. Quite. Leonard. Is. He's a hall of Famer and one of the top five players in the NBA. Eight Undo any interviews. That's okay. If if you're not, if you don't WanNa do it. You're not good at doing it I'm fine with that I don't want to put pressure on my child. Say My come on get interesting here you know. I it's unfair to do that to him. Yes, mclovin. I feel like he's been pretty fun with you. When you've interviewed him, he's not like. Ally I have him on once a year. But look I I have him on if he's available and he wants to come on. Great, he wants talk fishing or the Philadelphia. Eagles then great. But I don't sit there and go. Wow. He didn't give me anything there. He's got to be better as the face of the NBA or baseball. We don't say that about the Greek freak or Colli. Anthony Davis. Lebron we expect him to say something and Steph curry to say something normally they do. Kevin Durant is always saying something. Yeah. Well. Yeah. If you go back on baseball reference, you could look at certain athletes and see their stats and it's really mind blowing. Forget how great our pulses first half of his career was because he's cooled off. In on the West Coast in two thousand four, he was the MVP of the LCS. He was fourteen for twenty eight in the seven game series. He hit five, hundred, five, hundred. If you WANNA walk a little bit. Jeez. Yeah mclovin. I heard an interesting thing that Anthony Davis is doing so well, because Lebron does all the talking, so he doesn't have to talk anymore I don't know if that's one nobody was really listening to Anthony Davis in New Orleans. Trouble. Remember he wore that shirt. He didn't WANNA play. Yeah. It just it seemed like he liked being the mouthpiece of team or you know this pressure in the NBA to talk. He wanted out. Right? I mean he created his own mess, his own prison. But don't. You feel you guys are kind of put a little pressure like you gotta say something more than baseball, but I don't know if anybody's waiting for Anthony Davis to say something. I mean, how many players do you go? What did he say like Kevin Durant? I'll listen to. Harden doesn't say anything. Hardened doesn't do media Russell Westbrook might, but not much. Steph does. Is Always. Talking. Lebron. Who Else do you throw it? We haven't interviewed Lucas since he's been in the League we've had trae young on he's. Pleasant, we have an area. Janas have we know? But I don't know if we're waiting to hear or that boy what a great personality there. Yeah pulling. Ted Williams. One of the greatest hitters of all time in a nineteen year career he appeared in the postseason wants new. Founded back. Then you went to the world series nothing basically, but once. Yeah. If you won the year, Division One the American League. Then you played for the world series So if they were playing now teddy ballgame would probably have played in. Ten Twelve fifteen postseason Years. There's some snarky on baseball reference and Baseball Reverend say say your all your stats height weight where you're born when you died where you're buried and it says born August is Ted Williams born August thirtieth nineteen eighteen died July fifth two, thousand, two buried in the cemetery just says the word frozen. Oh Gary snarky mean-spirited. All. And that was his favorite movie too. Too, soon too soon. Just cremate me. You're on the air. Now, this this would trump all I'm on the air. This would oversee overall wishes. Yes. I'M A I'm definitely getting cremated. Yeah. For sure it hundred percent. It may be just I'M GONNA. Give you guys an equal portion. Put it in an urn, so you can have it the rest of your lives. With a picture of me on the earned. Like your pet and I would give you guys a little miniature. Little small earn. One. Ton. Out of you know I don't like that desktop. Shark tank few weeks ago. Someone was pitching a product. We take the ashes of your dead pets or dead relative, and you can make like all kinds of jewelry. Adam? Walk around with a bracelet or a necklace or very odd. Yes. Maybe you could do it like You know how? When there's a special baseball? Say Somebody threw a no hitter perfect game or something they put it in that little plastic cube something. Maybe that's what you could do maybe. A Snow Globe. Where you could have my shakeup, my job up my ashes and then come back down. Yeah. On mclovin. Have like a like a little trophy shelf like we have. You know from Mike Trout to my ashes in a about fifteen minutes there. I want to do a trophy shelf with Marconi. You gave us a sports Emmy Yeah Dan. Yeah like it's like, Hey, what's that oh? That's upper coney. That's. Awesome. That's one twentieth of Dan. And, then you guys decide what part of me you want. You can divvy up my body. You know I get the hear. All that. Off. Can't. It yeah. That's GonNa be on Ebay. But you just you know we we we divided up in quarters unused sign certificates of. Thank you. Thank you know say, well. Yes. Part of that beat up Nieve, it's been. So somebody stories with that, it might not be as wonderful as the hair, but you got the stories. Pauly's called my my right arm, my shooting right that that'd be big. mclovin you're running out of parts. Of. Careful. You. Can You put part of Dan up on Ebay afterwards? If you needed it. Well, let's take a break here. We're off to a rousing start. We'll come up with a poll question a little bit later on the Connecticut Football, coach Randy Edsall, they are shutting things down for the rest of the season. Notably gay from the golf channel will join us the PGA Championship is getting underway at Harding Park in San Francisco. Francisco twenty two after the our phone calls are always welcome. Come on dive in. We'll answer those calls. 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Kyle or boys the it's an honor to be the first ever Angel Fan on the show, we do this, we recruit support groups, look out down to. Anyway, yeah. Pitching everything might trout I. CAn't change that. Anyway. Lakers Lebron. He always turns it up the big games. He'll score when they need to. It's not like he's GonNa Watch, these guys chuck up bricks series long. They'll do it winning each to, but I, need a team effort kyle. I'm concerned because Avery Bradley in Rajon Rondo I know maybe not big names, but it it messes up the rotation. I love the bench. You Know Caruso Kunsman Dion waiters have really look good in Orlando I. Just think they got everybody has offense. Portland has offense. Houston has offense. DALLAS? Has Offense Denver has offense clippers have offense. The Lakers have to have a consistent lineup that is not going to put them in a hole and I wouldn't be surprised if Kuzma gets put into the starting lineup and maybe bring McGee off the bench. But you know I guess they're good problems to have. But this is going to catch up with the Lakers at some point postseason. Calm. I don't disagree with that. You know I watch every game and they get open lunch. They don't make them. You know coups always kind of been an act x factor and he does have his moments and you know you might be right. If they went. Maybe it is said to him. Thank you Tom Thanks for the phone call? Jason. In California Hi Jason What's on your mind. Hey Good morning guys morning. Six four, one, eighty, nine, overweight. All right. I just wanted to defend my trout. No. It gets a lot of bad rep just because he's not in the playoffs, but you gotta understand that Is, he's not surrounded by a good team. Criticizing, Him Jason I'm criticizing the talent around him in the team. He'll get criticism later in his career when we look back and he's only played in three playoff games, there's only so much he can do. I'm just saying you know we don't really hold him accountable the way we do other players certainly in that sport or another sports, but without is by far and away the best player in the game, and he has very little to show for it is post season games and he's going to turn twenty nine tomorrow so that it was just an observation, I like trout, I, appreciate trout, trout could thrive in any generation in the history of major league. Baseball. I. Just. Kind of forgotten guy, who's the best player in the game? This you know when you think of sports, you want your marquee players who are going to be on TV out there. They're going to be in the postseason. That's what you want. That's all legacies are made Mike. Trout is going to be hall of Famer, but is he going to be recognized as one of the great clutch players of all time? The winners of all time? That's where you separate yourself and the answer is probably not. So it wasn't meant as a referendum on I don't like my trout. It's just we look at him. How many times have you said the best guy in the sport? Is Not a guy who plays in the postseason. It's just really rare and Mike Trout has been that guy at least so far. All right. Well, thanks man I just wanted to say like like you said, it's like the organization, the way they build around him. Is Not like they give out a lot of bad contracts. Like. He has nothing to work with besides himself and he gives one hundred percent every day. He's always good to the fan. We get all of that. He's. He's all of those things. He he's everything you would want as a son-in-law as teammate. As as a baseball player, all of that. He's consistent. You never worry about him. He's everything you want he's ideal but. He, just not going to be in the post season. It's unfortunate. I peyton manning never played in the postseason. Be mentioned as one of the great quarterbacks of all time. All. Star game every time every year, and he's surrounded by talent, he thrives he's he has to. MVP's and all star game. That's you I know. There's nobody's arguing. Thank you. You're missing the point. He is the player in the game. Nobody's arguing that nobody's arguing who he is. I don't care if he does interviews or not. It's just it's rare when you have your best player and you can't really showcase you. See. That's the problem you know as much as I thought, the angels might be sneaky great in this sixty game window, but Otani is done. I. Mean. That's been a bummer. You know I liked Rendong surly with the nationals I I just don't know if they're going to be consistent enough here. In trout is just I just watched him yesterday hit two home runs. So they just go God. This might be one of those careers where you go. Okay. Great Numbers I. Bow Hall of. FAMER. Just. You want to see these guys in big moments. My Jordan's greatest player of all time is because why? postseason. Big Moments. There were guys who were great turn. The regular season Dominique Wilkins never got to an NBA, finals. Man To go through, you know top teams in east. Imagine he had three rings. We think of Dominique, Wilkins, differently. But. That was all. It was just an observation with trout mclovin. We're trying to put together a Paul Paulie suggested whose career would you want? Ken, Griffey and he had a former world series MVP that I had. No idea was a world series, MVP, would you care to guess? Can you give me the team? The cubs? There's no way most people would love end zobrist. I was looking at the MVP's. Do you know two thousand eighteen was for the Red Sox? You'll never remember this. Nathan of Oldie Steve Pearce. Steve Pearce. The've the Piercer the snow Piercer, but the question is like, would you rather have that world's ring or be like an MVP what. I'd rather be Ken. Griffey Junior Ben. Zobrist. Ken Griffey Junior I guess maybe that's a little extreme griffey junior. Would you rather go to the hall of fame without appearing without winning world series or be a good player makeup? Sober? Says the three-time all-star and be a world series, MVP I don't. Care about being Ben, zobrist over specifically, but winning a world series over the hall of fame not. Well it's. It's hard to have a career where your hall of Famer and you go. But it was just kind of a hall of fame career I mean your whole famer. And Ken Griffey Junior. It's sort of more than a hall of Famer because at some point, he was an icon. I mean, he was just the hat backwards and their everybody when I was a kid wanted to be king griffey junior and he was running for President member that campaign that Nike Hat it was. You know. Vote for the kid vote, Ken Ken Griffey Junior and the head bumper stickers. They're like he was a presidential candidate. Junior was a big deal there for a while it was like junior was before Bo. Jackson. I. Think. Does that sound about right or was did bow come before you know where Nike had these campaigns that made them more than just an athlete. Yes mclovin. I think like to put like a Jim. Thome in that poll question, 'cause you're right Griffey's way bigger than this Vladimir. Guerrero. Fame. But he didn't win anything new or a guy like Ben. Zobrist who cup all, Star Games but world series. MVP. I, probably, still take that. We don't. We don't hold every day players accountable when you don't win in baseball, we do with pitchers. Because, that can make or break you Clayton Kershaw, if he doesn't win a world series and or doesn't have a couple of good appearances in the postseason, people will always say great regular season Pitcher, but not a great postseason Pitcher Greg. Maddux might be the greatest regular season pitcher in baseball history was not a great postseason Pitcher, Tom Glavin. Won Three Hundred Games. Not a great postseason pitcher. But then Jack Morris got into the hall of fame because the postseason. Curt, Schilling deserves to be in the hall of fame because of the post-season John, smoltz got into the hall of fame because he was a good postseason pitcher. The only reason why Andy Pettitte is being thought of as a hall of fame pitcher. The Post season, it matters with the pitcher. It matters with quarterbacks. Club, we got a tweet about football joe. Thomas is considered. One of the best offensive lineman ever to do never won a game I mean. I think, but he wasn't the face of the franchise. He wasn't the best player in the sport. Mike trounce the best player in this sport football can happen where you're great and not win. Oh. Yeah, I I realize that. But just making the post season. I'm not asking trout to win. I. Just hope he gets to the postseason. I said this the other day that with Mike Florio. We're going to look back on Russell, Wilson and Aaron Rodgers careers in say the front office was negligent in surrounding them with the right talent to win. because. The Green. Bay Packers have never drafted a wide receiver in the first round with. Which? Just seems impossible. and. Russell. Wilson. Hey. Let's get a defensive back from the jets and give up two first round. Are you trying to tell me? You couldn't give the Texans two first round picks for John Hopkins. And would that better suit your offense that always seems to struggle? I think these offices have been negligent with those two hall of fame quarterback sampling. But could you see one of these quarterbacks taking drastically lower contract to spend money elsewhere? I know I hate to bring by Michael Jordan, but you know in the second half is career when he could have been the highest paid player in the sport, he was making three point, five, million, he was in the he's about. About the twentieth highest paid player, and that let them spend on other things. Dennis. Rodman and other free agents. Could you see a quarterback saying? I'll take twenty million a year, which is a lot of money. But I, want it spent on the offense. Yeah. But you have to look at these individual scenarios Tom Brady could take less because Giselle made more than he did. She made forty million dollars. He restructured because he didn't need that money. You want that money because with that comes respect. But Brady's respect comes from going to the playoffs going to the Super Bowl Jordan was making ninety million dollars off the court. So, those are extreme situations is. Russell Wilson GonNa take less is Patrick mahomes going to take less. Do, you remember that Peyton. Manning didn't talk to me for how many years because I said the following to him in an interview. Do, you think about taking less. So you could make sure that you signed other teammates. I that interview on Sportsman. I think Peyton. It was probably five years where he didn't talk to me. I I. Don't want to spend your maybe like to the contract. Hey I'll talk to you now that contract's up, I just wanted to know from A. Strategic. Approach. You WanNa you WANNA win Super Bowls. Here's one of the great regular season quarterbacks of all time we want to look at your resume. Because you were so great. The regular season, that's where we go. Well, what did he do in the postseason and I was saying it as a friend? Did you think about taking less now? I probably should have said defer, but I said less because remember they had Reggie Wayne. They had Marvin Harrison they had edgerrin. James, and I said, can you keep everybody together and that was it and Peyton went five years? Without talking to me. That's a tough question to answer though it's great that you ask that had a the guts to ask that. But he can't win either way because I thought it'd be. But then it's like, yeah. But you didn't ultimately and then if you say, no, you sound greedy I didn't didn't cross my mind at all to take a penny less i. that's what I deserve, and even if it means, we lose some of the guys on. Are you trying to justify why Peyton didn't come on for those five years? I don't put any blame on you. You know I, it was one of those where in the moment. You hear something and then you follow up and that's all it was because I just. And maybe it was unfair to. Peyton. But. I mean it's not an unfair question now to ask because I could say to Patrick Mahomes, did you think about deferring money or could you take unless and he's going to say I did take less. I did take less. So we could sign Chris Jones Dan Aaron, Rodgers of taking less. You, win? Super. Bowls you get paid. That's when everybody wants you. Your Star quarterback nats when they won't. We'll take a break phone calls coming up here. Dan In the Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick Show podcast. 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A week wasn't a sustainable model before and it's definitely not a sustainable model. Now listen to Hollywood the sequel, the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Dj Championship getting under the? Under. Way, they'd harding park in. San. Francisco. Beautiful course. Wonderful Course, very challenging. But it's a public course and you have Olympic out there harding park. Olympic. Get that opportunity to play those now San Francisco Club to me is maybe my. Aside. From. Augusta. and. Trying to think of, there's another course. San Francisco Club is just wonderful. And they're all in that area. Certainly with. Harding. Park and Olympic, but those are San. Francisco's got. Three, or four of the top golf courses in the world and harding park will be a great challenge for them and polly said, who's the favorite or may club and said who is the favourite and I thought? Well, I'm guessing Brooks Koepka is, do you have the onset of WHO's the faith Brooks Koepka Justin? Thomas both ten to one Bryson. D, Shambo eleven to one that goes rory mcilroy. Jon Rahm. Dustin Johnson Zander shortly, Patrick can't lay Webb Simpson and tiger. Woods, at twenty eight to one tiger changed his putter. I? Think he'd want. All at one of his majors, using his old putter and these decided to change his putter, and it's going to help him with his back. But seems kind of strange that you're changing your putters. You're going into the PGA championship but. Tiger says, he feels better and this'll be a great challenge. They're great challenge on that course. All right. Couple of phone calls Kyle in Florida, joins, US. Hey, kyle, what's on your mind today? Anyway but. real good for the Gulf. I gotTA. Story for it, special coordinator, well, I, WanNa to ask you, where do you think We ranked ally if he didn't have his super bowl. So I, think some people need those championship prudential wouldn't into the hall, we wouldn't rank him go. He would not be a hall of Famer. I, agree with you. All right. So the Icing Special Report, my dad here is a member of a club. Just outside, Orlando. He was actually put in a group that followed a very well known golf. Have you guess who he is? He's not from the United States. He's the best finishes t to the US Open. and. So gimme the setup to this now. He's following golf around this, Golfer. A member, the same from my dad is, and he's practicing last week. He missed the cut. There's another two weeks to cut He's finished top ten twice. He's not from the United States I think he's trying to get around forty two one right now for this week is Jason. He's not from the United States. He lives in Columbus. Right. Yeah. No. Decade, actually Duckie, he followed around. 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RingCentral CEO, Ollies At A Bargain?, Homework: Cardlytics

MAD MONEY W/ JIM CRAMER

46:16 min | 1 year ago

RingCentral CEO, Ollies At A Bargain?, Homework: Cardlytics

"What IS DECISION TECH BY FIDELITY? It's technology that can help you find a stock based on what's trending an investing goal. It's real time insights and information delivered in your own customized view of the market. It's smarter trading technology for smarter trading decisions and it's only from fidelity open an account today at fidelity dot com slash trading fidelity brokerage services. Llc MEMBER NYSE SIPC. Mission is simple to make you money. I'm here to level the playing field all investors. There's always work at summer. I promised to help you find. It may have money starts now. Hey I'm cramer walkman money walk remark I do want to make. Friends is trying to help you lose money. It's my job is to just entertain you but educated teachers or call one eight hundred seventy three. Cbc or Tweet Me Action Kramer. Some companies that play by the rules others. Just don't the trick is knowing which is which that's what this market has devolved into a two track affair. That's bound by how subjective judgments about earnings and it's all colored by epidemic in China that's going global with the Dow backsliding hundred twenty points. Today SB shedding point. One six percent and the Nasdaq fifteen point. One four percent. Why don't we start with the virus? Oh which is what drove the market. Today regular viewers know that. I've been a harsh critic of the way. China does business the People's Republic authoritarian dictatorship and dictatorships. Don't need to answer to anyone. Which means they can live with impunity. So when the Communist Party puts out positive albeit false corona virus numbers. Big Deal. Sure Somebody's head will roll. Get quite and it. Looks like that's happening. To some of the hapless party acts who ran the government there at the heart of the outbreak but the reliability. These numbers was always highly questionable. I told you again and again you take official desists from authoritarian regimes with a grain of salt or in this case a pillar yet Wall Street and all its infinite wisdom has been trading off these numbers like their Gospel traders by the five hundred in the infection number slow then they sell those numbers. Go back up last night. They went up big because the Chinese government started using a new diagnostic standard though the problems. The figure's probably still an accurate. I say betting on official statistics for the People's Republic of China. I think that that is a fool's game. And here's what you will land. Also yesterday. We thought the outbreak was under control. The data look good Jay. We think it's out of Control. Not under control come here quickly. That it can't be contained that it's every man and woman for themselves. Look I have no loses like many others? I've tried to figure out which experts in medical journals are authoritative which wants to trust now. Some of the smartest minds out there are saying right now that it is too late to stop this virus. It's going to be a worldwide pandemic millions wind up. Getting sick many will die. They make these Dr Predictions because the diseases more infectious than we fought initially and the incubating period might actually be longer than fourteen days. Some statement might be as long as twenty four days. Plus the virus keeps mutating. Which makes it very difficult to come up with the cure of course. There's another campus says. The Corona virus will burn itself out able when the weather heats up. It'll soon peak out and your chances of catching it in America are miniscule. Where do I come down on this? If you're worried about your health I wish I get help you can see is wash your hands. Keep them at your side. Get Mass and search gloves. Whatever you do don't get on cruiser traveled East Asia. That's what I bought. The the glove said the mask because I wanna be ready for anything now. We have fire extinguishers unchain ladders and baseball bats in every bedroom to put our fire escape one or beat the crap out of bankers my little bit paranoid with the mask and the gloves to suit. Until tell the key here though. Is that everybody's assessment of this thing is subjective. That's the important word. Subjective the numbers this objective the articles this project. The forecasts rejected even questions. That should have an objective. Answer like disease's incubation period or the league have become subjective because the Chinese of stormwater whitewash making it impossible to clear the situation you know. What else is subjective stocks in the time of corona and I say subjective. I mean a lot more. Subjective than usual and this market as unfair as it is to Semaj. Ceo's many stocks are bound by valuation parameters. But there are a handful that aren't yes. Stocks are still traditionally value there the markets this morning Goldman Sachs upgraded caterpillar for this argument material towards a pretty low and production cuts boost earnings. Down the road to me this. This was very dicey upgrade because cats the play by the rules of traditional valuations. Maybe grow a little faster but ugliest bound by its end markets and most of its most important market. It's China well. What's the demand from China right now? So I think you need to sell Caterpillar into the strength from Goldman's recommendation which is exactly what we saw. Today I simply don't believe it can make the numbers and therefore the stocks will falter no matter where it is no matter when it occurs on the other hand. This bargain has aristocrats. That don't play by the same set of rules. Take Tesla here's a company that announced plans to sell two billion dollars with the stocking almost immediately there are people using traditional metrics who are up in arms that Tesla dictator. Eli Mosque yeah. He's a dictator to told us. He didn't need to raise capital when the cub reporter two weeks ago when the stock was much lower. Hal Outrageous I said to myself. These people are delusional test is not like Caterpillar. It's valuations a lot. More subjective. Which is how had actually rallied nearly five percent on this on the news that selling more stock because Elam must need more capital and meet demand when you think that this is terrific do so. Many people went Tesla's they need two billion dollars to boost production capacity. That is what I call a high quality problem. Remember for months. I've been saying Tesla could raise two billion dollars at the drop of a hat. Hey I was right. The stock can keep rallying because unlike caterpillar strong demand for the product around the world. You're going to buy the same lens to earnings Cisco told US LAST QUARTER that demand the enterprise belly with is challenged. They said the same thing when they reported last night and the stock is down five percent. Today Hey you know what I like. Cisco but that makes sense Cisco's a commoner not an ARISTOCRAT is governed by objective metrics. And right now those metrics will they seemly. Aren't that good conscious shopper. Fire ringcentral which will hear from later tonight. Both of these countries are high growth monsters. And that's all you need to know. I'm not kidding. The demand for their services off the charts so they report spectacular growth numbers and their stocks. Keep flying you. Don't even need to know where their stocks were trading. They go up no matter what no matter how much they were already up with ahead of time they keep going up. They aren't even bound by gravity. This is highly unusual behavior people because in the old days there were only two stocks. That were like that Amazon and Netflix. Those were the only ones now though because growth is at such a premium thanks to the corona virus new slowdown in China. Many more of these momentum stocks are breaking free from the four walls of the spreadsheet canvas. There's tremendous demand for financial technology to those stocks the matter day today day. There's little demand for just another bank though so those are nowhere. There's massive accelerating demand for all things cloud so those up and up. There's declined to oil and gas. Those stocks on touchable. Also say that to you many times many times until every time we have strength you do selling now. Many investors hate what I just described. They hate it. When stock surveyed subjectively especially people have been around for ever calculating ratios examining this kind of CASS was tracing dividend trajectory thinking about the e thinking about the m the the P price earnings multiple pondering the correct earnings models. They don't WanNa look at places sales multiples price to earnings. They don't look at enterprise multiples they like to look at companies as they are. They don't like on bridled momentum these traditionalists they fear buying high and selling higher. They think it's a money losing strategy to which I say not right now. It isn't the bottom line. Is that amazingly end? Yes counter-intuitively buy high and sell higher is working here by not selling is the best. Oh it's nutty virtuous circle with subjective assessments of the corona virus fueling these subjective growth stock valuations. I'd better keeps going until the outbreak runs. Its course and you can go to Steven California. Steve Jim from Costa Mesa California. I'm calling about Eldorado Resorts. I've been following the casino socks. Most of these socks down. Due to the corona virus resorts has no exposure debate cal and they have their pending merger. With CAESARS COMING UP SO JIM. Do you think other other resorts is a good bet? No I think it's too hot. What's happening is people are buying the domestic gambling stocks and no one of the international because the international have exposure to Macau which is obviously next to China. The one that I like is the one reason I like. It is because of the hook up with Barstool but that stocks gotten too hot to. Let's go to Joan in Georgia Jona. Hey Mister Kramer taking my call of course join a great to have you on the show. What's up I have? A question on. Peleton can recover from this drop. It just had I actually think he can. Peleton is what's called a heavily shortage stock. There's a natural base of people who have to buy on any good news. When we get good news the stock will fly. I think this quarter is still a good quarter. I don't own it longer. Term business talks up a gigantic amount. But I think you're fine right now. Not Great I'm not crazy about it but I'm not gonNa tell you gotta sell the stock okay? Listen we're in a sub ejected market. And I bet it keeps going subjectively until the corona virus outbreak runs. Its course tonight. You've heard the phrase slow and steady wins the race. I'll tell you how it pertains earning season then. Mark Butler the beloved. Co Ali's passed away unexpectedly not that long ago with uncertainty in the stock. What your next move. I'm giving tape. And if you like it should you put a ring on it with ringcentral up over fifteen percent just in the past week a wall own. I'm asking the seal if it's time to still consider the stock sustained wet Kramer. Don't miss a second of that money. Follow at Jim Cramer on twitter. I have a question tweet. Gramer Hashtag Mad tweets sin Jimmy Mail to mad money at CNBC DOT COM or. Give us a call at one. Eight hundred seven four three CNBC. Something Ed Tha mad money dot. Cnbc DOT com. What IS DECISION TECH BY FIDELITY? It's technology can help you find a stock based on what's trending or and investing goal. It's real time insights and information delivered in your own customized view of the market. It's smarter trading technology for smarter trading decisions and it's only from fidelity open an account today at fidelity dot com slash trading fidelity brokerage services. Llc MEMBER NYSE SIPC. It's not easy to be an old school stock ticker these days. We're being driven crazy tortured by the new school. The school no consequences no repercussions the school of earnings report. Taj Old School. Okay Take Pepsico which reported this very morning. Here's The story company that I've studied for years and years of all sorts of integrations. I remember Wendy cumulated restaurants in the night. He said I loved it. What what a natural way to sell Pepsi instead of Coke in its own stores stores like Taco Bell. Kfc PIZZA. They were all in their face. They were young. They were new. There were crisscrossing the country. Brilliant then I remember when they spun the restaurants off because who needed those three restaurant companies try Connor Yom or whatever they call it. Their all restaurants were topping out. Who cares where Pepsi sold irrelevant article? Twenty years ago when Pepsico Book Quaker? So it could own the sports. Drink business via the fabulous gatorade franchise US win immediate quote replacing the sagging restaurant group revenues. I remember custom with the company more than a decade ago when nobody does that over. I party at my daughter and her swim team. The Hill toppers from summit high. I said maybe just maybe that companies fetal editor was dead Schmidt. Scold me they told me then. Go do some homework and see what they were doing in good for you snacks at their Aberdeen Maryland. Proving Ground Plan a plant by the way there was closed loop before I even knew what that was. They use the water from the potato chips to be able to power PepsiCo cocker. I struggled to learn about sustainability from their brilliant former CEO Ingenuity. I ain't know what matters impact per share and you share. She was years ahead of time. Now everyone cares about sustainability. They're still learning from her. Even she retired in two thousand eighteen. Every time I have written peps go off. It has reinvented itself. What's something spun off created? Something done boosted something slim. Something and almost every time they've been dead right and that's what makes for a great long term investment yes vibrant. Yes creative sure you can pick about the growth of frito-lay or the market share of Carbon de Pepsico delivers time and again. I mentioned this. Because every bit of that institutional knowledge that I've earned is now meaningless. In the face of the instant analysis stories that appear as soon as the quarterly earnings report is released at six. Am The company typically strong quarter today yet within seconds and a half dozen articles about how he misses. Projections failed to meet the streets numbers. Some stories made it sound like it. They reported disastrous quarter. Made it sound like Coca. Cola is killing am pro-trade pep as a wayward loser because freeway was half a percent light all garbage people. But that's how robots cover writes that it could be the first in the Pepsico News. Cute their new school which is way of saying they're unseasoned bunch of jokers. Jimmy Chill so I don't say those things I stick to my old school guns. I talked to the CFO. I read to the conference call. I huddle with my action was plus DOT COM team. I look over these numbers. The company's done on each line and then historically how the stocks reacted each time. Now you know what Lo and behold this was a business as usual quarter pepsico and other solid set of results. Well and that's how I knew. Nothing was wrong with this top put. My rigorous Beth analogy makes me a dino soar these days versus the faster moving headline writers those children. And maybe that's okay. Maybe the logical heir to the dinosaur isn't Torres and those dimwit machine reports. Are that hair. We know who wins the race in the end because alas after spending almost the entire day down and sometimes down really bad. Guess what? The stock finished the session up thirty nine cents Tortoise. One air nothing earlier this week. We got a call from U. P. in North Carolina to know about always bargain outlet holdings member. Those guys that's off price chain that used to be. Let's one of my absolute favorite retailers. What changed well. Both these was tragically interrupted on December. First when all these brilliant founder and CEO Mark Butler frequent guest to the show died suddenly of natural causes. I love that guy now. The stock had already been devastated over the course of twenty nineteen companies having a rough time even before. Butler's death but it seemed like they'd just got new group back in the fourth quarter before we got the sad news of his passing since then no quickly favor. It's now down from sixty five at the end of November two fifty four today. That's off seventeen percent during a period where the S. and P. up seven percent. So when you asked me about always I was reluctant to recommend it because I was worried about a leadership back foot. Maybe something else was wrong and he couldn't just covet and say hey looks good but after taking I look at the fundamentals. I'm ready to give always my blessing for the first time in ages first day you need to understand move it wrong. Last year in March always searched new highs if the reporter fantastic stop climbing to one hundred and three at its peak as an off price chain. Always can't really be beaten by online competitors. Not even by Amazon. Why because they already offered the best lowest prices remember all this model works by excess inventory from distress retailers for next to nothing needed to get the inventory out and then they sell it to you and nice markup. It's still much cheaper than you can find anywhere else. They also had a terrific regional the national roster. We liked US when it works. Say in Florida in Pennsylvania. It could work across the country allowing them to put up a lot more stores than most. So what was a mess? Well let's fast forward. You always reports mostly better than expected quarter with one glaring flaw. Not so hot seem store. Sales Point eight wash. It was looking for one point two but then the woman started just WanNa line. Here's where the that's when it started really slide for good seeking to the high seventies by the time the next quarter rolled around in August clues sellers knew what they were doing. Because those August numbers were genuinely a top and bottom line miss couple same store sales that were down one point seven percent the problem was straightforward in its haste to put up new stores and we like national only fast and it's hastily put up new stores. I always heard it's existing ones. Worst management cut their full. Your forecast kiss of death right one. Bright Spot Work. Butlers play in the short term problems they worked through them but the market didn't believe him and his talk was twenty seven point five percent in a single day always only bottom it for. I'm fifty five dollars Tober. Then it started inching up again it was backup sixty five on your member. Then we got the tragic news mark. Butler's death over Thanksgiving and the stock immediately sells off. He was great zeal. Losing him really shook Wall Street's confidence which is always a little bit rattled by that forecast cut. When always put a few days later they delivered a strong quarter so it seemed like problems under control while the stock jump. Fifteen percent response share is used to use that rally. Just start ringing the register. They want it. That bad without other than didn't WANNA keep betting on this turnaround. I didn't want to either. And that's why I always spent the last two months sinking steadily lower. There's no need to over. Think this move Mark Butler. It wasn't just the founder and CEO. He was the company's public facing screens. Chula I can tell you that. Losing Him 'cause people lose confidence because that's what it did to me. We knew Mark Butler. But we didn't really know much about always spends the other people who work there without us. Leadership fell touristy to stick your neck out on the situation. It doesn't have much visibility. Plus it's been so hot that quickly for for this cheap retail. You know the ones that are price that there was no need to stick your neck Gal. I mean it's not like we had a shortage of winners in this covert that everyone's fallen in love with now though the averages of run-up dramatically giving new appetite for bargains which we know that there are few and far between so always. Might be one of those bargains. It spending the last couple of months getting hammered. The Stock Sells for twenty two times extras earnings estimates. That represents a slight premium to the S. and P. Five hundred but at its highs last year always was selling for forty five times the earnings projections so relative to where it was. It's definitely a bar. It and this is. The cheapest stock has been in years aside from earlier this week when it briefly dipped below fifty in a market that keeps forty record highs always been left behind if management. Keep turning things around if they can live up to mark butlers legacy than the upside could be enormous. So let's talk about that bitch ever doing some homework. I feel a lot more comfortable Butler successor. John Swaggert he's the new president and CEO swaggers. An old hand is worked in Discount Retail Industry for twenty seven years in two thousand four hired him to be the chief financial officer then in two thousand eighteen got promoted to being chief operating officer in others. He was an integral part of the team when the company was growing like a weed and the stock soared into the stratosphere. Still Ahead to be sure about this guy so I asked. The best retail analysts in the business. Matthew Boss J. P. Morgan. He told me he's wires. Was Bar Mark Butlers? Right hand man for sixteen years and he was clearly butlers intended successor. I found that encouraging about the rest of the bench. We'll take a look at this live from the company's last deck a little over a year ago always management team is packed with experienced retail veterans. If like me you were believing Butler's leadership. You should trust the team that he spent decades putting together. Take those madge wars off the table and you're left with a pretty good story. I always thought trick store experience. It never change incredible deals. You can't find anywhere else. It still has that visual national story. Too Much company has three hundred forty nine locations across twenty five states. They believe they can go to nine. Hundred fifty locations without problem set one or seventy percent increase. Sure they ran into a serious speed bump last summer when they expanded too quickly but it seems like Benjamin learned from that mistake and they've now got it under control most importantly off prices in the sweet spot. Here that's why like Tj Maxx and Ross. Stores like Burlington. It's wild like always think about what we heard from Columbia sportswear earlier this week. Because of the trade war retailers place orders last summer in order to get ahead of the tariffs then we got phase one trade agreement with China and the and the Krona virus outbreak put the Kyw Bash on tourism well toward tourism driven shopping until two now many stores have an inventory glut meeting off to sell the stuff that companies like for pennies on the dollar. Your win finally. After spending much of the last year in the Wilderness always is starting to pick up institutional support from both big investors and the analyst community when the stock got slammed on Tuesday Piper sampler published a note recommending the stock with an eighty-three Dr Price. Target even better. Jp Mornings boss again. He's the undisputed acts in retail. Just pounding the table always because there's a lot to like about the business and these levels the risk words just to entice new nor by the way the companies presenting it bosses retail rather converse this spring I bet that will be a positive catalyst the bottom line. If you want to go bargain-hunting this market. I urge you to look no further than always bargain outlet holdings yes. I was worried if the company was visionary leader at the beginning of December and knowing him personally. I just couldn't imagine the company without him have done my homework though. I think his successor is up to the challenge and the stock has become ridiculously cheap here and deserves to be bought. Let's go to Paul and Kansas Paul. Hi Jim good to hear from you. Hey I'm I had a question about Walmart. Stock I've noticed since mid December so it's been trending downwards about like nine ten dollars a share. Roughly and I didn't know what she was gonNA keep turning down for twenty twenty. That was just a temporary blip the other day one of these features firms that does channel checks said that Walmart is gonNA miss the quarter. That would surprise me but it has put a chill on the stock so I had to pick other retailers because I am concerned that maybe something. I don't know and don't understand about why things aren't great at Walmart. I think they probably are but I don't have that level conviction I liked to have. Let's go to Cathy in Indiana please. Kathy Hey Kramer. Thanks for helping. Three generations of my family makes good and suspect decision. Wow I logged three generations. Someone must be very young too. Well my kids and my parents enough. So thank you. That's great yes I discuss. Kohl's Kramer I'm a club member who owned cold in cold cold and it still irks me. I'm a mom. And though many moms who love Kohl's we can get everything at cold. We love the coupons. The clothes cash Kohl's has the name brands are kids. Love and the recently of fanatics and Amazon shootings made this a winner for everyone with earnings coming up. Qc Any reason or opportunity to get back in. Do you think an Amazon acquisition. A cold is a possibility. Well I don't think Amazon wants to buy a buy Kohl's Kathy because they're already getting the best of Kohl's without paying money when you return. There's a great deal frames on me. Not that good a deal for Kohl's why did I turn on Cole's in your member of the action was plus Dot Com club? Because they missed what they said. They were going to do multiple times and in the end. I just got fed up you. Can this one time two hundred? You can't just you can't just with both is looking for bargain. Look no further than always bargain Albert. I'm at regarding the stock being very cheaper. Here I think it's bought what's more Manhattan. Quitting my exclusive with ringcentral. How can I help you? And that's how I think they can make money. I'm talking with the CEO of this Amazing Story. Then good news. If the dog your homework I get in for you and I think you could make some money all your calls rapid fire tonight's edition of the lightning round. So stay with Kramer as I said at the top of the show when this market falls in love of course talks it force Horford. You're right now. Wall Street is once again. Totally enamored with cloud because this industries that consistent fast grower in a global economy as being slow by the qualifiers so look at ringcentral the cloud based communications collaboration platform. That's taking share. All over the enterprise you've had them before this toxin perform for long time but in recent months the moves become downright explosive as a copy keeps rolling out new partnerships with major players in the telephone space like a via NATO and it just won't quit on Monday night. Ringcentral puertas spectacular beaten race quarter that sent the stock screaming. Nearly seven percent Tuesday before tacked on another three point six percent yesterday and then another three percent. Today it's up. Eighteen percent over the past week seventy two percent over the past six months. I don't know if this kind of momentum can be sustained because it is highly unusual but this stock captures everything. That's working right now. So why don't we take a closer look with latched? Moody's what is the founder Chairman and CEO of ringcentral? Get a better read on the invasion quarter and where the country's headed Michigan Welcome back to money. Thank you for having me. Great to be here again. Glad you hit the billion dollar club. I don't think people realize how incredibly extraordinary as for needed to a billion dollars in sales so I'm gonNA give you the floor for a moment and say how the heck did you get there that fast. Great Market Great Market Good product maybe very good product fantastic market very very early in Bennett in penetrating that market. We have do Miller seats That's billion dollars off a run rate. Revenues Market Opportunity for two five hundred million seats via itself is responsible for a hundred million seeds of those so very early in the game but I have to say skills extremely good to cavs this bill and all our run rate for a pure play. Saas software as a service company. Okay you mentioned. I need you to tell our viewers how you gotta via what it means and how it jumpstarted growth to a level. That's extraordinary well. We think it's an industry defining relationship via is A dope conventional on Prem Business Communications a solutions provider so they've They trace their roots back to the original. At and T. And as I mentioned they are currently responsible for approximately hundred million seats. That's about twenty twenty five percent of world install base. Our arrangement was Avoi- Is is unique so basically we will be there. exclusive unified communications as a service provider for the small and medium market but Medium is pretty large for its up to several thousand five thousand seats or so so we have really good hopes here. A lot of people don't know the name brinker but they do know chillies and this is a great restaurant chain. That gets a lot of phone calls when they brought ringcentral and said on your website that they saved a great deal of money and they did much better for customers. What did ringcentral do for them? That it got those points going right. So brinker is a really important customer Well no brand and look what for them is. We lit up. Approximately nine hundred locations for them Countrywide that's almost six thousand users and the value is bringing that everything is now tied together so when you call and place an order by phone and approximately sixty percent of their orders come by phone. Everything is centralized and now they're teams can analyze the traffic. They can see who's calling when at what time. And they can optimize the ways of the staff those locations so it results in a much better customer experience it results in a much more. Profitable business for for brinker. So it's a valued customer but we do always as well. Now we know and have had as zoom video on a couple of times and I. So I don't want ringcentral to be slighted. It's not just voice. You've also teamed up with them for a powerful combination with video right. That's correct so promise. From central is any device any mode any location and our modes include voice. They include video. They include messaging just recently. We announced a a a deal with Richemont Some people may knows their Mont Blanc brand of luxury pens. And they're the mold of communications is a facebook and twitter and messenger so again any device any mode and you communication Will discriminate. We just follow the customer and we enables them to communicate in the most in the manner that they find most beneficial for their business now. That is a differentiated position in central. If curation this company everyone you gotta go to the website because ringcentral is not just for giant companies. You've got some smaller companies. Ten twelve people companies that able to expand their business because ringcentral. I read about a company. That makes T. shirts. Twenty four hour t shirts. They used you. Small and medium size businesses embraces ringcentral. To the absolutely correct we have a very wide base. Where proud of that. We have over four hundred thousand businesses on our platform. That's growing rapidly and I'm really sank thankful for you to mention this. Jim because Small Business is the backbone of our economy many economists and the fact that we can scale and make a small business B. S. productive and as empowered as a very large business. I think that speaks a testament to power of our platform and To lose that following. It's not just domestic. You have a partnership with OTTO'S A. T. O. S. That's a giant one French Tech Company. Obviously international's been is going to be the next big focus. That's absolutely correct. We've announced artists. Thirteen billion dollar revenue company one of the top world stop s ice systems integrators. Its first aside relationship for us. Could not be more excited about it. It gets us into yet larger enterprises. It gets us more global certainly much more into into Europe which was their base is and again. It's just yet another opportunity us to participate in digital transformation at the global scale for frankly businesses of all sizes. What I want to thank you. You introduce your company much a long time ago where people ended up making a lot of money and I think they continue to do so great to see you sir. Great Devil may have money. Thank you for having me and glad people are. Making money was excellent. He's the founder chairman. Ceo ringcentral guys. It's I know. It sounds complicated. It's not to go to the website. You'll see dozens of clients and how they use the product that's the way I learned it at monies back to the brain friends. The lightning round is. Are you ready? Scathed data cover the money over to start with Joe in Florida. Joe Mr Jimmy. Till thank you. It's a pleasure what you think about. Align Technology L. D. N. All right now I understand. I've got this one wrong before I have said that known that but I still think there's too much competition in the align technology business which we know the straightening let's go to Garrett in Nebraska Garrett. Yeah Hi Jim First Time caller I just wanted to Call an typically about LCI industries LCI. I I you know this is. Rv related I had felt that the RV business has gotten too sick. So I want to stay away especially at this nice run. Let's Go and join Alabama Andrew. Hi Jim Hurry today. I'm good. How are you Andrew Good? I wanted your opinion on one named financial. Oh I've always felt. This is a financial services company where I can't really understand what they have inside their business. It just had a big run because interest rates dropped. I'm going to say stay away. Let's go to heat them Wisconsin. He bullied Jimmy on December tenth. You Interview Day. Cody and Rob Johnson From bird is what do you think about vrt? I won a bank with David. Cody the man who turned honeywell into a powerhouse from me disaster which means I want to buy California can joke and you're up okay. While back you talked about Viva Systems. I went out and bought it at twenty nine five. You feel that now. It is a buy sell or hold. Well I gotTa tell you. Softwares is something is going higher. S S A. You know I think the world of this company. Where's Peter bit? Why is he been on the gotTa Book Him? He's doing incredibly well remember. He is of the salesforce lineage. It's kind of like a coaching tree. With Mark Danny up and gas nurse. Doing it terrific job. Let's go to Wayne in Texas Wayne. Jim Can't question Syrup Ashir Homa Cup three years ago and doing real well a guy to mutual funds that have averaged about twenty percent return of the last three year ice and I keep about ten percent of my in dividend paying stocks that I think are undervalued ago this way then go and government bonds. I think the downside is is minimal right now. I've got about Foxton and portfolio in. At and T. Good stuff about them yesterday. There look looking at Exxon Mobil right. Exxon Mobil is obviously a fossil fuel. Company I think these are cells as they rally and make the rally because they're so heavily shorted negative but I cannot condone buying Exxon Mobil. Fossil fuels are a thing of the past and that late and Joan inclusion of the lightning round is sponsored by TD AMERITRADE. All the market took a breather. Today we know that many stocks especially the highest growth stocks have been on a real care. We've seen all sorts of stocks search new highs especially tech stocks with the Nasdaq up more than eight percent for the year already. Who's a host of names that we don't really know too well? So whenever we get a lot of calls would be typical given the fact that the market is so hot at least in this segment but companies just aren't on my radar. Maybe they've moved up too quickly. Went from medium even as their stocks are now up a lot in other words without a ton of homework to catch up on because whenever I get a question I can't answer. I always do the research circle back to at a later date. I don't know if you've noticed but I've gotten much more on the case about homework because you asked him to so many good ones and this is the most interactive television which breaks to Carter lyrics that CD LX Stock Jeff in California espy about back in January thirteen. Now I told him I knew some dignity didn't know cartilage there wasn't that a coffin. Say Oh Carter Lennox. She had playing cards. And you're not GONNA be stupid. Carter lyrics is a financial advertising technology. Play it came public in two thousand eighteen. I love this kind of thing. Because in recent months has become a phenomenal performer. But all wasn't always when Jeff asked me about this one. It was already a big but I didn't know enough to figure out with that move was legitimate or not since that has tackled another eight bucks from eighty five to ninety three so clearly. This one's for real now. The big question is whether or not gonNA listen. Keep climbing on the one here. Got An intriguing story on the other hand. Evaluation definitely makes me nervous at these levels. So let me tell you how I feel about this. Why I you need to know what these guys do Carla. This is an ad tech firm advertising technology from the takes your purchasing data and use it to make marketing more relevant and measurable. They partnered with banks to run the rewards programs which gives them a treasure trove of data on where people are spending their money so cartilage turns around and helps advertisers identify and influence likely consumers at scale it also lets the measure. The actual impact of their marketing campaigns. Pretty good business is a very clever business model. They help banks entice customers via rewards programs. Then they use the insights from that data to help advertisers Fintech and Ad Tech and those are two great tastes. That taste great together. It's kind of like that reese's peanut butter cups slowing at. My mom loves US those of that now it certainly how the stock market's he's although it took a while for Wall Street to get interested now. This is what kind of stock I'm really looking for and I want to really thank jeffers. See this thing came public. Roughly two years ago at the price of thirteen dollars per share by the end of twenty eighteen. It was trading at ten dollars and change. That's when you needed to pull the trigger. Last year equipped fire the stock finished. Twenty nineteen sixty two dollars. That's four hundred eighty percent of you and in the last six months that moves gotten even more intense stocks surging to ninety three s of today. That's an almost fifty percent move in a month and a half Jeff in California highest compliment. You Got Sense. What's driving the move okay? Near the end of two thousand eighteen quarterly ex partner with chase bank. The whole business power here really benefits for scale the more loyalty program customers. They're managing for the banks. The better they'll be at helping advertisers target their message. Sure not the company started reporting some truly staggering numbers when they got that chased you a massive acceleration. The business let me put it this way. Twenty seventeen in two thousand eighteen Carter lyrics had fifteen point. Five percent. Revenue Growth is nothing special by the second quarter of last year. That number jumped to thirty seven percent by the third quarter. The most recent we have get this sixty three percent revenue growth. And that's why the stock broke out surging from forty dollars to sixty dollars when reported numbers. November. Not only did they give you. Magnificient accelerating revenue growth. The company are supposed to surprise profit. Billings rub more than seventy percent short. The new strategy of embracing big financial institutions is working. Oh and around the same time get this. They want with their with their next porter. Wells Fargo and what is toxic such charging around chasing Wells Fargo? Those are just gigantic customers. Talk AT SCALE. It keeps climbing last month. Carlex guide for much higher than expected revenue saying incredibly push things about the fourth quarter northern twenty-five percent this in a single session like I told you before this things have great story. I'm very sad about the Carter lyrics the company. But there's a catch. What about Carter works the stock? Here's the RUB is fabulous financials are the stock's valuation. I think has gotten way out of control even versus the really good business. They of course. The analysts have been downgrading evaluation system straight in the thirties. They didn't see the massive revenue celebration. We're the surprise coming so they were did well but man appear listen to this sells for one hundred and seven times next year's earnings estimates. That's astronomical your is still small so maybe we should look at revenue instead. Well sounds nearly seven times next year sales. It's still a lot. Now Carter links can sign up. Another big bank is a partner. Then the stocking powering higher because it will turn out to be a lot cheaper than it looks. Which is what people were betting on buying the stock right here but if the market turns against growth. This thing's going to get hammered at the end of the day. This is a stock. That's basically doubled over the last few months. I feel like if you buy it right here. You're chasing and I hate to chase so for now. I recommend sitting on the sidelines. You gotTa take a pass. You can't just go in and start taking a stock that's up this month or look you can do it. But that said great business means at some level. The stock is absolutely worth on bottom line for now. I'd avoid this one. Even though it's businesses great the stocks too high if Carter licks the stock gets slammed as part of a market wide. Rotation out of hyper grow stocks than you do of my blessing to back up the truck at the price of seventy dollars. Hey that actually happens. Not that long ago when favors the stock of shop if I we had them on? Yesterday it lost a quick hundred points. Anything that you'd have happy in fact things better shop before and I think that same could happen with cartilage. Six and seventy dollars. It would be selling for just five times sales which is a steel given phenomenal. Otherwise it's no sin. It got us say you missed it and move on but also I have to thank Jeff. One Kelvin. I stick with Raymond. Things are in flux dynamic fluid. Stay right there because you don't want to miss this. Special Corona virus outbreak hosted by CONTESSA. Brewers coming up next in video with just a monster. Quarter huge Guida. That's the way we want. That stock's GonNa go higher tomorrow morning. I'll say there's always a market somewhere in shock finding just few rate hero money. I'm Jim quaver tomorrow the CNBC special report begins now. What IS DECISION TECH BY FIDELITY? 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November 17  Hour 1  The Slighting of Phillip Lindsay | Steve Smiley Calls In

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November 17 Hour 1 The Slighting of Phillip Lindsay | Steve Smiley Calls In

"Minutes after the noon hour good afternoon northern colorado. It's top techs tuesday. Yeah everybody. I gotta check the stats here. Drew weld county. Swami's not wasting anytime here. Drew lock is awful. I should win top text tuesday with that take. What do you think colfax. I mean it's an honest take. Isn't it that truthful. it's on the money. Quick to the point we'll see we'll see how it all so fired up to poll questions today. One of them we over over over over road over overrode it over overridden. It is that right. Why does it sound weird my head now. I don't know well you know we're not wordsmiths here. It's a radio show for crying out loud newport. First poll question is this one phillip lindsay going to be a bronco much past next year. Now can't imagine did you see last night. Colefax dalvin cook star running back for minnesota. Of course gary kubiak now is running the offense somebody carries he had just. Philip had four carries right. They value a run game. Twenty thirty thirty thirty carries last night. I mean again. Delvin cooks stud there. That offensive line is good at run blocking. But they're bad at pass protection. So i understand that but i i've never seen anything like it locally. I guess i mean. I'm sure this happens with other teams and we always go. Why isn't so and so getting the ball but we don't really know the whole story textures. Yesterday are saying. Oh it's because lindsay's hurt vic fangio said nothing of the sort in fact he said. Yeah i mean everybody's nicked up at this point but that wasn't that wasn't and i appreciate the honesty here. He said that wasn't the issue. So we'll phillip lindsay be a bronco. You know he's got the the broncos have the team option on him next season. So i mean they could keep him at the ridiculous rate that they have a mat which honestly wouldn't put it past them wouldn't put it past him to just take advantage of phillip lindsay yet again tech texting in here. I really hope so. But they're doing their best to make sure it doesn't happen i mean. Would you want to stay here now. Let's just. I mean we keep adding to this colefax. We keep adding to it. So they don't draft you. We go all the way back. They don't draft you. You're in their own backyard. Phillip lindsay was. I mean he was running all over the place for the colorado buffaloes a pack twelve team. I don't care that they weren't that great really. I mean think they had one good year there. Maybe was that the goodyear not quite sure but he was having good years. He was blown up our guy. Mark johnson our buffs inside of the voice of the buffs was absolutely shocked by. This guy should be going for. I thought first rounder goes undrafted. And in the broncos. Don't draft him. You know i get all right. No one else has drafted him. So we'll just go pick them up as a free agent aright strike one so you sign him as a free agent he basically has to make the team and then he has to earn the starting job which he does so. That was pretty good right. So you're starting to realize phillip lindsay is the real deal. Then you get them in the next year. Achieving nude again he does two thousand yards in two years averaging my math correct averaging thousand yards beer so then we fast forward here you go you go out and you sign. Melvin gordon a free agent running back you pay big money now you could have paid phillip lindsay money. You didn't have to but you didn't have to pay chris harris either the year before that. But you did. You gave him three million dollars for fear that he was going to the to not beat air not not finish out his contract even him under contract. John said here's three million. Please don't leave us. And then at the end of the season please leave us so you. So you give three million dollars to chris harris and then this year you sign a running back that nobody else seemed to want. Melvin gordon and i mean. He had a decent game last week. But you're starting to see why they pay a million dollars again. You didn't have to pay philip but there is such thing as like taking care of your guy is just like they take care of you. Sometimes they take discount that we were contract. Phillip lindsay has been in my opinion again. If there's more insight to this please enlighten me. Phillip lindsay has been ultimate professional. I get it on the field. Sometimes he can he can little punchy. A feisty for to me is a class act. he's guy you want to build around and if that wasn't evident after the chargers game clearly it wasn't that it never will be so no colfax the answer to the first power to play sports. Poll question again available to hold show dot com is no. I have seen nothing to lead me to believe. The broncos won anything to do with number thirty on this team. The guy that called perhaps the second greatest bronco of all time and asked for his permission to wear number thirty and other classy move. And terrell davis say hell. Yeah you're gonna break all the records you're going to break all the broncos records and the broncos are spitting in his face i if i sound heated on this. It's because i absolutely am. Here's dixon bob. Lindsay lindsay's head will explode if they use the option on him probably. I wouldn't put past denver to do it and then elway to throw out an empty promise. Our guys even solis yesterday. Listen always not going anywhere. he's got the contract. He's got another year left next year on his contract the ownership situation is still influx joyless. You either gonna have easy. They're going to have controller. He won't but the bottom line is if he has control always there if no one has control then you leave it as is because you have to have somebody top and they're not going to be making hiring decisions so always protected. We can argue it if you want. But these protected. He's not going anywhere texture. Brady's dixon of weeks ago doesn't want lengthy to succeed to justify. Not giving him a new contract and wants to justify giving gordon the money away giving marching orders not to let lindsay get going. I mean that's does that. That sounds extreme. How do you know that. It's not just pat. Shurmur who likes melvin gordon. He likes to receiving running back vic. Fangio probably looks at lindsey size. And things you know. We're not. We're not gonna go that route but i mean the only knock phillip lindsay has ever had most people if they give them a knock is that he's too small and he's going to get hurt so you can't give him that many carries well he gets hurt and he comes back he gets hurt. He comes back right so but that that's going to happen with anybody. Any alex smith had the comex almost a life threatening leg injury. That was so bad and is ner in his nerves and ligaments. It was such a bad surgery bad situation. He played on. Sunday actually had a decent game. So i mean the idea. That guys are going to get hurt. Yeah it's football. It's going to happen all the time. Boy i don't know man this this whole situation just is it just doesn't seem right. You know so. That was our first poll question. It was an overwhelming. Yes for some reason. But i think that's because you're you're all in the wishful thinking. Last year he averaged fourteen carries a game last year the year before they ever thirteen. Still not a lot you know. I like to see the twenties. But he i get it with the size this year. He's averaging nine and a half carries per game nine and a half undertand. I get that. He's not a receiving back. You're really complex. But terrible offense really needs a receiving back to make it work well. Why isn't it working. Then because lindsey at four carries zero receptions and you got absolutely trashed this is my problem and it has been for a very long time with the broncos is you nothing seems to fit. I tweeted the other day. Elway was writing never had a plan. B he never did when he joked we like play. So we're going to play plan was peyton. Manning was peyton. Manning is old. He knew he wasn't going to be around for long. You only signed him to a five-year finished four. So what was playing be now. I was told on twitter. We'll plan b was brock osweiler. Well that was planned be. Yikes and i liked brock. Trust me but broncos to houston and fizzles. He gets into the playoffs. They win a playoff game against a broken leg. Derek carr less raiders team. But that was pretty much. It i mean rock was not the answer it i thought he was. I even thought him coming back was going to be the answer and i was actually upset that they benched him. But i mean let's face it was brought gonna be great. Was he going to be a super bowl guy now with the way the team was constructed every year. You just kept leading guys. Go and you didn't replace the need. You didn't replace the need on the offensive line. You didn't replace the need at cornerback. Recently you didn't replace the need at middle linebacker. In fact you kept filling positions that you already had guys in bradley chubb where you had checked barrett frustrating situation and no i don't i don't see how i big phillip lindsay guy. I said after that first year when had a thousand yards. I said if he can stay in this league for more than five years if he could stay with the broncos for more than five years he's gonna break. Td's records as a bronco. Maybe he needs to be more like six or seven. Because td i think ended up with like seven thousand yards rushing and five six years which is which is phenomenal twice in the hall of fame. So yeah he. He would have had put in the time play more games. I look at four carries and it'd be one thing if they they had the treatment right what we saw sea issue against boise state three blocked kicks and was all in the first half. And they take him for a touchdown. And you're just down twenty one nothing like that. Twenty eight twenty eight seven just like that. Okay suddenly you're abandoning the run game. It was ten to six at halftime and your beloved quarterback that you you've touted as the guy threw an interception that took any late and a half there that took any any chance of really committing to that run apparently away because in the broncos offense if you're down for you might as well be down thirty because they're gonna throw it like they're down thirty very confusing. I don't get it. I know i'm not a football guru sitting up late at night watching film like pat. Shurmur is apparently and vic fangio but. I don't think you need to be to see what's going on here in this situation. Top tech's tuesday. First event is text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six our power to play sports poll question of the day colefax now new one because it was strange. Guys think he will be here. You're wrong drew. Holiday inn. I guess this coincides with our big story of the day to colefax jrue holiday. Yeah presented by presented by f. m. s. bank deal jingle time. Drew holiday is now a member of the milwaukee bucks and the bucks were a favourite to go to the championship in the bubble. You've got to think that their favorite now though the bucks are try to go to coon saying. Please don't ever leave us. We wanna sign you a long term deal. We're going to create a championship team. We're gonna put it around you so they went out. They got aggressive really aggressive. They reached agreements on acquiring not only new orleans. Pelicans superstar drew holiday. They got sacramento kings for forward. Vogg don bogdonovich a source told. Espn so they they basically the. If you're honest doesn't you know. I mean that's a big move almost cuss there. That is a huge move so the bucks and the kings so after the deal was done. The box in the kings reached an agreement in principle on a sign and trade that will bring bogdonovich and justin james to the box. The kings out of the deal. Got dante Vincennes ceo dj. Wilson and ersan is slavia as part of the trade for holiday though milwaukee ascending new orleans. A package that includes eric bledsoe solid player. George hill great defensive player and not one not two but three first round picks a one of them is a two twenty twenty first from indiana. And unprotected i twenty twenty five and twenty twenty seven sources said who also includes a pair of first round pick swaps two thousand twenty four and twenty twenty six and ultimately amount something similar to what the pelicans received from the lakers last season and the deal that sent. Anthony davis to los angeles so the new power to play sports. Poll question is the nuggets. Missed the boat andrew but not going all in on this move because the rumor was. They were trying to move up top ten last week. Remember that colfax. Well the reason was. They wanted to move up so they could take that top ten. Pick package it with. Gary harris will barton and say here you go bring us drew. Why would you do that if you could get three first round picks and some nice pieces as you try to retool this thing flat out rebuild mode so this is a difficult situation here now as far as the were. The nuggets are on this. Track me now. I didn't say that drew holiday was the end. All be all for the nuggets but teams are aggressive gold. Say they're going to be good and they have the number two pick in the draft. So did the nuggets miss out by not going all in for drew holiday. Mark knutson arguing on twitter. Believe it or not saying well. I mean rumor has it. They were going to go big for drew. No i'm not talking go big. I'm talking all in. And all in would've been gary harris wilburton. Three first round draft picks that would have been all in andrew holidays and resign. So you've only got them for the year you better hope he slipped you a nice little note. Stay with you guys. Twenty one minutes after the hour. We'll take a quick break. We're gonna get my guy unc. Men's basketball coach steve smiley on the program. A little bit later on. I'll get to my best of the. Nfl what a what a weekend. It really was unfortunately broncos didn't really take part in a positive side of that so much more to get to go. The poll question go to the whole show dot com. It is top text tuesday. Let's get after twenty one minutes after the hour. It's the whole show powered by pd energy. We'll be right back inside the pair. Dan presented by chris. Music agency. Allstate insurance tonight at six. Northern colorado's voice thirteen ten k. k. Dan patrick the whole show and colin cowherd are northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. A bogus from cbs sports radio. You're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfta breaking news here today. Trying to wrap my little by little tiny tiny brain around this right now. I'm getting this right now and going to confirm this throughout the day. Justin michael of a. Dnv rams tweet re tweeted. Doug samuels per source unlv at colorado state game being canceled so justin tweeting. I was not a part of this during. We have a program usually during the press zoom. Call these Justin tweeting They're listening to the press conference and suddenly there's phone calls there's things going on and oh said at that time. He's unaware of issues. But it's not been told anything about a cancellation said he'd be open to playing someone else including colorado. If there was that he received a phone call. Let's wait and see what happens. So i mean this is. This is how it goes now. You're in a zoom. Call your in a press conference and suddenly you get a call so colfax elephant in the room see. You doesn't have a date to dance ceus. You doesn't have a date to the dance. What if they just go together and we get this rocky mountain showdown loaded up again. Pac twelve now so i had a listener baker out there. My friend greenacres He said yesterday see as she would. Gladly throw that. Unlv game away so that they could play cu which which of course. I said that's ridiculous. I'm reaching out to my guy. Mark johnson the voice of the buffs. And i'm saying but is there any possibility that that happens. Mark danny reply to that he replied and said. Hopefully we get a game warden mark. No i don't know well. We'll grill them tomorrow. But we are going to have kevin lytle on the program at one. Oh five and i will grill him. He will confirm whatever's out there. So i mean i'm i'm trying not to don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to sound excited. That a game got cancelled and there's covert cases all right but for the state of colorado i was. I still am pissed that the rocky mountain showdown is going to go. The way of you know the the the ancient buffalo. I'm not. I'm not happy about that. But i would be. This would be a nice little consolation prize if they play now. Don't get me wrong. See us win in that game by twenty five plus. But it's still fun. I mean it's still be fun to see. I talked to carl durell head coach yesterday and he even said it. He's like brady where it can be wednesday and we could be thinking. We're not having a game and we might have a game. Pac twelve with the pac twelve. Flip on this. They come back and say you know what they're what forty miles thirty. How how far is it from volga for collins. Colfax something like that. Go out and go play him. Go for it. I'd like to see that who that'd be. That'd be sweet man. I was all geared up. I put my media crowds in to go check out. Unlv saturday and here. We are Sir charles his a unc. If see you takes the dance and things go. Right is a unc. Born because of his. That's pretty oh. I just look at the sir charles has to could that be the text to get them over the top to get him. The nuggets wag. That's up there. That's what you're playing for today by the way. Forgot to tell you this topic's whose it is top text tuesday Let me read texts coming back crazy. News my tiny brain can barely take it. We are going to switch gears. Speaking of unc. Wanna talk to a tremendous guy. And i cannot wait. See this team in action next friday. We'll hear them in action. Unc men's basketball coach. Steve smiley coming up next first. Let's get the latest on the local sports flash here mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine in northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi cato june. All pro linebacker super bowl champion. You're listening to a thirteen ten. kfi k. Welcome back to the show. We're live from the articles in specialists studios who already a big day. Getting a lot of news just left. And right i suppose this is a this is where we are now. Every day a game can get canceled or postponed. And then and then who knows but we're switching gears we. We had some great news yesterday seeing the some of the local match ups for the university of northern colorado. So i want to get into that joining me now head. Men's basketball coach coach steve smiley coach. My friends it's great to get you on the show. I appreciate being there. Brady how you doing. We're hanging in there man. I mean let me ask you when you see news. I don't know if you've seen it yet. But we're we're hearing reports right now. We're gonna confirm see issue. Unlv football game might be canceled this weekend. Yes so when you see that or you hear that what. What does that do to your brain. You kind of. go boy this i. Apparently it can just happen at the drop of a hat. Yeah i think he's just kind of feel that way that you know for us kind of watching how football is going and that You know a lot of people are going to those pauses. And i think for us like what i try to remind myself. I think right now visible basketball. There's give or take twenty five or thirty teams that are on a pop like fourteen fourteen day. Quarantine something like that. That's not good. But i think too sometimes pores all the negative stuff which is rightfully. So but you know there's three hundred fifty seven one teams and so that that would be. There's over three hundred eighteenth still practicing. So i'm trying to keep myself in that positive torino. I penny but at the same it is. I mean every time you take a A weekly surveillance of kobe test You know i don't. My anxiety goes through the roof. And i can only imagine what our players go through so you know you see it where this football games gets canceled gets cancelled and again. These are right in our backyard. You see us you or see you or wyoming Football teams in place the spring. But you see things going on all over the place and it really. Does you know kinda get to you. You think jeez you know. What are we next like. What is this going to happen to us. You start doubting little bit to be honest with you. Yeah no question about it. But that's a great point. You're trying to look at the positive side and do the little things that you can control and i know you guys have done just an absolute tremendous job of taking all the necessary precautions. Go to the one of the reasons. I want to talk to you about a couple of things. Seeing the scheduled. Start to take shape. I'm excited for. I'm except for next friday that that's that's the the biggest one for me right now but seeing colorado state seeing colorado seeing d you there i mean this is a great inner state test. I love it. I think it helps the state. I think it helps basketball in the state of colorado. Yeah i think so too. And i think we've announced what five are seven non conference game We'll have a full twenty seven game schedule that includes twenty six guy games and the incident play allows twenty seven. He got seven nine kinda. I believe we would outsource of five. You've got the tournament in kansas city. Which will be two games and then right after finals week that's when we have In in that order. Cs you see d. Three games and five days and for us. It's going to be a great sounds. They're all the road this year But you know. I think for us and for our team we we. We need to go to those to those battles those trials to figure out where we're at before league play starts so i think it's great. I think it's a really really cool thing again. I love for the fans It's so much fun. Yeah we wanna keep growing basketball throughout the state of colorado. And what better way to do it. Because i've talked about this on the show quite a bit coach all three programs talking just northern colorado really do use a fine program to see us you see you and of course you guys all three movers and shakers the last few years on the basketball side of things so i. I think that getting them together. Hopefully it's a regular thing. But we'll see but i think that's so great for the state i think too you know. I think it's great for for our guys. I mean it it. you're right. I mean the last several years. There's been a lot of success in the state at the college level but like in our situation. It's all guys like all that success and this is a new team of who sees a new coaching staff. And we kinda got on our guys last night on to be said listen. We haven't proved anything. And so we. We've got understand that. But i do think that you know. It's a lot of excitement with programs that Had some very good success in the past several years. And and i think it's a great thing for our state. We're talking to unc. Men's basketball coach. Steve smiley how does that process work. You know i. I joke about it but i can't imagine what you guys are going through because you know we had. We had the conference schedule up a while ago. But you're still working on a week before you start play so i know that's gotta be absolutely nuts. But what does that process. Look like for you especially talking with colorado state colorado d you i think for you know y when everything kind of blew up. We all ad schedules a long long time ago. That were done. I mean really if not a year in advance six months in advance and then when you don't hit everyone's schedules and the The start date was november twenty fifth. It's just everything's changed. We all had to go back to the drawing board and and really what you're trying to do In in in the idea of getting as many games as you can't just trying to really minimize risk everything right now with with you. Know what's going on with the positivity rates bit surges spikes. You're trying to be as smart as you can Luckily we are in a state that has several programs. So i think that's where the idea came out of okay. You know just in terms of geography. It's it's probably an all of our best interests if we can find date and that's not always possible but if we can find a date to get into bus and go play where you can drive their back day you can eliminate flights you can eliminate hotels you can eliminate as much as possible And so i think that's where the big idea that was. Now we've always played the you and you know last year. They were place so this year. We're at the place that kind of flip flops over year but the ability to The opportunity i guess to play. Cs you'd see you just a great opportunity and it just. It just made sense to do that. you know. We're all hoping to get as many of these non conference games as possible and going back to your initial kind of common football with things canceling. I think the idea is that if we do get Cancellations in games for either side or whatever it because it's so close and local. There's a chance to maybe get. That game rescheduled day. That's the hope. At least that's a great plan to so coccia again there's more to add. Is that correct. A few more games are looking at two two more games to add. I think we're at twenty five now. And to be honest to the they're done we're just finalizing contracts and cross t.'s. dot the i's both sides both those soon as those does get announced while but we should have the final twenty seven games done it. It is wild. You know talking to different coaches individual basketball. Somebody coaches aren't even close to have it. Twenty seven games A lot of schools don't have games the opening week and yet it's trying to find him and so i do think we're in a pretty good position starting with the fact that our league went Went back to twenty games. That was that was the biggest thing to start with and building around. But we we have a pretty good idea of what we're doing Salons the contract finalized We're very close now coaches it now. We're getting close to almost a week out a week and a half away from that very first game southeast missouri state as you mentioned the tournament portion of the schedule. So you'll guys will start quickly next weekend. i mean. how difficult is that regular season. It's difficult preparing for a basketball game. Getting practices in getting rolling. But you're building schedule. You're dealing with covert situations So you've got all of your regular stuff that keeps you going twenty four seven. Then you add this on top game. Preparation had for you guys heading toward next friday friday afternoon i think in the big picture is going good. You know we. We've had the modifier schedule a few times and it kind of just just going back to you know understanding kind of what what the code world is contact tracing things like that it. Luckily for us we we've really been able to avoid shut down so far but you look at your weekly schedule and you got to kind of modify things you know you don't have to but we have in the sense of you know sometimes go small groups for the guys. Don't interact and the theory that being that if for some reason someone got positive if they weren't around the other teammates for forty four forty eight hours before maybe the whole team doesn't get shut down and there's all these you think of it. It's not normal but it's what we're trying to do is put the best plan together to give us the best chance to start the season on time in kansas city. So you know. I think were in the big picture. Probably in a good spot with our overall preparation That being said you know doing some inter inter squad scrimmage has recently. There's we gotta work on. We're not where. I kinda thought we were Going into some of that. Intra squad scrimmage type of situation but we've learned from it. Were we know what we need to kind of you know in Just improve on. But there's still a lot lot lot of room to go. You know parts of being a new staff being back at coach. The first time. I guess six or seven years and so i i gotta get rest to my feet wet. We gotta get organized. That we're trying to simulate games as much as possible so that when we do get a chance to play next friday that that we don't have all the first game kind of You know Errors that could arise. We're talking to you and see men's basketball coach. Steve smiley coach this. I like the preseason polls. Because i get to talk about stuff i get on here and complain and stuff. How do you feel bad. I had bodey on last week. Of course bodey bodey says the right things he's like. Nope we just gotta go. Let are playing proven. See what happens. I was shocked though to be real honest with you. The coaches has you guys five The media has you at three. Maybe that's more realistic. Because eastern washington montana northern. Colorado tossup. I do you. Do you talk about that. You think about that. Do you even care about it. You know i mean the pre. I'd rather have a good result in the post to pull the full. And so i think the a coach. You don't really worry about it too much. But i mean i would also be lying if i didn't say that i saw those polls i mean we we all help those polls you'd look at them and and it's fine At the end of the day you know you look at it. I gave her guide example guys last night. There's people that are league several years ago There was a landslide favorite to win the league. Fast forward four five six months later and they finished dead last in so it at the end of the day. Does it really matter. No but you know you could use it for a vacation You always want to have that kind of respect of your peers. I guess but still the same point time we should have to were were at was with so many returners upper class. We shouldn't have to you know. Use the motivation of a preseason poll to get guys going We should be. I think more likely to just try to concentrate on us what we can do to To just to get better. So yeah. I mean i see him now. I you know whether it's good or bad. I mean it just kind of is what it is. And i think that you know for us right now. It's it's other people's opinion and at the end of the day you know we're gonna play games there well. We started up again next. Friday looking forward to coach You obviously you kinda you have that depth chart or getting close to it anyway. But man when i was a practice last two weeks ago. I'm hoping to get their this friday. The one thing that kept sticking out to me was depth. Because i kept seeing guys that i knew were talented. Obviously the johnsons bodey humes and everything. I've heard from from dalen kunz. Then there's other guys. I'm looking saying holy cow. I mean these guys could be. These guys could be just as much a part of that starting lineup. That is one of the fun things that i love about watching what you have to do. Coaches is figuring out who gets those minutes how they get those minutes. How that's all worked out. Yeah that's that's the. I think the blessing curse with this team that you know we got sixteen guys healthy With this zero year idea. No one's going to redshirt so it sounds great to have sixty guys but you know it's hard to play more than seven eight and a half guys you you know. You can't can't play twelve thirteen guys so if you do the math that you play at night guys you got seven guys. That could play. That aren't playing. And that's that's a real chemistry challenge. And i think that's what we're going to have to fight But on the flip side of that with our guys saying listen like don't don't get into the first first game and all of a sudden you're surprised at what your role is like right. Now is the time to try to be carving out that this this is the final stretch before you get the games. The roles can change for the other year. But it's great to have the de really good about it i'm You know. Trust with our young guys. All of our new guys are seventy two guys on how far along they are. That's really made us say okay. This is a this is a problem but it's probably going to students out. So yeah just the guys have a few more practices. You know To kind of you know burn. It's an memory is where we think the desert should be out on day one and then what kind of figured out there but it. It's a challenge Because some guys for better worse haven't fully separated themselves and you know it depend on the day you know Player might look better than player. Be in the next day player. Sees better play it just like hey at some point we have to use out so i feel good about it but it's going to be a challenge now coach. We can't wait to get this thing going again. We'll have those games here on. Kfi hoping to get out to practice. Friday coach we really appreciate you doing this on short notice a lot on your plate and we'll let you get back at it. Okay sounds good brady. Thanks man. I coach unc. Men's basketball coach steve smiley. It is a deep group No question about it. I'm trying to kind of place where i think this depth charts going to go but i obviously you're going to have you're gonna have matt johnston and vote whom hume core joe. Cucci is going to be right there. The mix Guys like jamaal. Melvin freshman what. I saw some good stuff out of him. Jason the voice of pairs of scenes. He's seen some great things at him. Connor creatures another name another freshman so the cool thing is matter how this season goes which i think the season is going to be a very positive one for the bears. A lot of young guys that are going to get at some point some meaningful minutes but as coach said sixteen guys. You're not read shooting anybody so They will be kind of challenge and going to be guys on the on. That are sitting on the bench thing. I should be in there. That's going to be a test for them as far as how. They can handle everything if they're not getting in initially forty minutes after the hour. We're still working to confirm the news here but it looks like the issue Unlv game gonna happen at this point so we'll get more of a confirmation there. I mean i'm talking about see. Ucs you kovacs realistic. I would be extremely shocked. I'd be pleasantly surprised if it happens but again they don't neither one of them have a game said at this point so i'm going to. I'm going to work on getting some more confirmation their ten minutes till top of the hour. Steve smiley great guy. Great to have him on the program. That'll be our big interview of the day. You can check that out at thirteen ten. Kfi dot com or the whole show dot com power play. Sports poll question is up at the whole show dot com. Should the nuggets have gone all in to get drew holiday. Did they miss the boat. We'll be right back Listening to the hall's show powered by pdc energy and thirteen ten kfi k. Brady will be back after the break up. Party in northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi a block party wednesdays from four to ten pm. Hey this is mark. Johnson voice for the colorado buffaloes and you're listening to the whole show with my buddy brady whole a thirteen ten. Kfi so kevin lytle from the colorado and tweeted thirty four minutes ago. Carter say football coach. Steve adagio was on zoom. Press conference call talking about the upcoming. Unlv issue game when a report came that the game was cancelled so i think we can confirm that now. What ensued was a wild ten minutes or so as does process the potential change so again. I wasn't a part of this soon. Call so i wanna make sure we get kevin on the program five minutes after one and we'll we'll get the thoughts there. It's it's nuts man. Kevin posted the coach. Adagio was late to oppressor and said it was because he was on a call about the universe. Unlv issue game and said there are issues but said he hasn't been told it was canceled. What is what is going to happen here. Man in lytle also posted just realizing now that colorado state basketball plays at san diego state on december third and fifth and football's at san diego state on december fifth would be an awesome extended weekend trip for rams fans. If not four well you know. Two thousand twenty. Yes so again lyles. Processing a lot of information there will bring them on the second hour. I events text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six great stuff from coach coach smiley. Excellent talk there. I can't imagine you know if you're a head coach preparing for your week and you keep seeing this football because basketball game for the most part starts up next week like they got their full schedule out and i'm going to go through that in the second hour. They don't start to the weekend after that. But if you're a basketball coach you got to be your nails a little bit here. You're looking around and all these football games left and right now. The beauty of basketball is. They have their little more flexible. You can. it's it's easier to put together a basketball game and change on a dime if you need to than it is a football game or shorter notice. I would imagine maybe maybe basketball coaches to tell you different but and also having so many different games. That's why coach smiley to more games left. I'm going to do this to them. Because i don't wanna put him on the spot. Do you think it's Do you think one of those non conference games is going to be the team up north gullfaks. Now we had. We had jeff lender on the program. The of course new wyoming head coach about two weeks ago. And didn't he say i wasn't really ready for that kind of be too too soon. But it's twenty twenty. So maybe maybe you find a way to get ready for that. Two cool vk texting in the pac twelve not allowing a non conference game to be played. This year i know but do they change that. Listen here's what we've learned this. Year guys is no matter what they say because according to the pac twelve my man basketball wasn't happening until next year football was done until next year right well. Last time i checked it's happening. Football's happening so things can change. Will this change the the the possibility of having a rocky mountain showdown. We're gonna find out second hour coming up next.

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I've done nothing but travel around the country airport the airport airplane to airplanes city to city. I haven't gotten sick at all and then I drive a couple of hours away from home on Monday and come back and I got a cold and it's been dogging me all week. Long might not sound like it right now but I feel like I can barely talk. I mean it's getting worse by the minute on but that is not that is not enough enough to keep us from talking Mo- GP because we've got a race this weekend and a couple of big news stories coming into this round in Thailand and I really WanNa know what you think about those news stories so here's what we're going to do in the interest of keeping my voice somewhat intact we're GONNA forego the comments section just for now but I promise promise we will loop back around and get to all of the comments or as many of them as we possibly can on the next show in fact. We'll do some of on the post ratio as well right now. We're going to get right down on the business the big stories of the week in preview the race because they are already doing at p. One right now as we speak Marquez leading the way by eight tenths of a second over the Dr Dr Valentino Rossi but it's way too early to make any determinations based on F P one even though there are not one not two but three Yamaha riders right behind Marc Marquez. That's let's making things more interesting. I should do the show. Free practices going on all the time all right so before we get to the rundown. I do want to invite you over to the website. If you have not checked it out yet at Modo Week Dot net you can find all of the latest episodes there and coming soon. You may be able to find some other items on the website as well. 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We'll dive into that and then more kind of Yamaha News. Could Jones Arco beheaded two Yamaha. A- As a test drive next season or is he going to Honda because there rumors he could be headed to either organization to be there next test rider then we will dive right into this weekend's race. Thailand are full preview of around fifteen of the motogp world championship the GP Imbera. We'll talk about the track. Chung International International Circuit the teams the favorites and my watch list as well and then the picks where I'll also tell you whether I think this is GonNa be championship chip weekend for Marc Marquez. You might be surprised definitely stick around to the end of the show. I'm it says we're talking about picks. Make sure make sure you set your lineups in the fantasy motor. GP League if you don't know what I'm talking about you can still join not only a couple of races left. You'RE NOT GONNA win. I can tell you that right now but you can still join in Halfon. We've got a free Modo. GP NBC League all the details are on bread at our slash Modique or on the website at motor week dot net on it's all hosted through sports deck. It's free. It's a lot of fun and even though there are only a couple of rounds left in the season you could still join and play along and practice for next year and speaking of that. I've got to check with daydream to see how the trophies are coming home and can't wait the last picture semi which was a couple of weeks back. They looked awesome. Super Excited Forum and I'll check with Adrian this week we can. Maybe we'll get him to post a picture or a teaser picture on Brandon. I also this week on rated him. GonNa start posting pictures of the motor week bike. You guys are GonNa have to guess what it is is all right so that out of the way let's get into the big news story heading into the Thailand G. P. and that is Valentine Rossi confirming firming. He is getting a new crew chief for twenty twenty just a couple of weeks after saying that Silvano Gobble Sarah isn't going anywhere. It turns out he he is well. He's not I mean he's going to stay with the Amaha but he's definitely going away. From the forty six next season. He will not be Valentina. Rossi's crew cheap. Now we're all. She says it was a mutual decision and that after Masano they all sat down. Rossi said he was thinking of going in a different direction to which Galvez Sarah responded did that. Hey I want to do something else a little bit less stressful anyway with less travel. I want to be an Italy more and so it was decided now that might just be be a line that Valet or Yamaha for that matter is feeding us to make things seem a little bit less controversial but the fact that Silvano Gaba Sarah is going to stay with Yamaha Maha working with the motor. GP Test Team that seems to support the idea that the split was at least somewhat amicable that both sides decided okay. It's time to move on so if Gabon Sarah's out while then who's taking over Davi Day Muna's and you might be asking who exactly is w day Munos. I knew I was I'm well. He's one of Rossi's guys specifically. He's the are forty-six guy he was the chief mechanic for Francesco back last year when PETCO won the Motoo title and he's currently working with Nicholas Bullock and so that's why Rossi the side of the tap him to come up to motor. GP because it was somebody was familiar with somebody he felt comfortable with and he was very impressed with Munoz's work with PETCO by and with Nikola Bulla for that matter so this is an interesting move because because remember w Munos works for Valentine Rossi works for VR forty six so he's switching from our forty six to the factory Yamaha AH team. Is this a good idea. And what exactly does that mean well. I'll answer the first part I personally do like this. Move for several reasons number one it injects some new ideas into the team Munoz Young. He's GonNa. Bring you know different perspective. Maybe a fresh perspective both in terms of bike setup and I'm sure approaching the technical aspects of the bike the electronics you know analyzing the data things like that and they'll probably have a different perspective on how to run the team as a whole because things are different now motogp than they were years and years ago in Rossi started and when guys like Jeremy Burgess and Silvano galveston started not that being old is a bad thing because I feel old every day in my life right now but sometimes when you're struggling the way that Rossi is bringing in a vastly different perspective is the kind of thing that can really help jump start a team that leads me into the next reason I like this move because I think it might also inject a lot of new enthusiasm suzy Azam into Rossi himself because we all know the doctors at the end of his career nearing the end of his career. Even he's not quite so sure about that. Fact but valets said it best after the press conference where he confirmed that yes. I'm going to get a new crew chief. He said he wanNA try something different. If it doesn't work out we haven't lost just a whole lot and honestly that is the right attitude because he and Yamaha. Let's face it. They need a shakeup now. A lot of that really has less to they do with the crew chief and even the writer for that matter a lot of that is really. GonNa Start with the engineering team in Japan and the engines and the chassis season. They're providing for the raiders because let's face it. There's not a crew chief in the world that Rossi Ervin says are anybody can bring in that would make that m one accelerate celery as quickly as the do cardio the Honda or give it a top speed that would match the Honda or the Cadi. I mean that has to come from engineering however ever some sometimes you need a big shakeup and let's face it. Nobody has ever won anything EMOJI P by being conservative so maybe this is what Valentino needs not necessarily to stick around for two more years four more years but at the very least to go out on a high note to go out enthusiastically to really really re-energize himself into trying as hard as you possibly can and hopefully at the same time give back something to himself to his team to his manufacturer most importantly to the fans that have stuck by them if they can see him at least potentially if he's going to go out next year go out being competitive getting on podiums and maybe even getting back to the top step of the podium and then the final reason that I liked this move for Valentino this Kinda ties into the second half of the question. What does it all mean is. It does help prepare for the future in some form. I'll tell you what I mean by that because I'm not quite sure what Valentino's plan is but he probably has a pretty good idea what his plan is and this is not a mistake putting one of his own guys in charge of the forty eighty six team. It's a great tactical move. Even if I'm not quite sure what the tactic is at this point because of Rossi wants assisted ground beyond twenty twenty then he instantly has an ally in the garage fighting for him not against him and I'll tell you what I mean by that because next year during silly season and there is gonna be a ton of pressure on Yamaha to sign Fabio Coiro to a factory contract for twenty twenty one which means that Rossi's gotta move out but but if those guys perform if Munos and Rossi perform and that leads to believe that he's got two more years in him then Yamaha's going to go to the team. They're going to go to the crew chief and if the crew chief is you know somebody who's just like well. It's just a flash in the PAN. He's old you gotta get rid of him. Then Yamaha's going to be a lot more reluctant to recite them but a guy who worked for Valentino Rossi who is now having success with him is not going to say get rid of him you know because the valley is the reason why has his job so he's GonNa fight for Valentino if they get to that point but then if the plan isn't to go that way if the plan is to retire and bring VR forty six to the premier class as a Yamaha satellite team. That's a lot of pressure number one and number two. They're going to have to compete with Petronas and that is not going to be easy so Rossi could be planning ahead because Munoz next year is going to be getting the best on the job training ever for a future role with VR forty six either being chief mechanic or who knows maybe running the entire team so that's a possibility as well or heck. It might be a ploy to help help ensure the Franco Morbidelli doesn't get buried under the weight of Bobbio Coiro as the team decides what to do in two thousand twenty one because you know Munos if things go with Rossi and Rossi is GonNa retire could then be an advocate for Morbidelli who's aveer forty six guys opposed to quote Gerardo. WHO's not although that's kind of a long shot and that that's the purpose behind it because that would assume that cultural is going to have a big drop off between now and early next season and I don't think that's going to be the case I mean Coiro is the real deal but either way it's a win win and because it either provides something for Rossi to kind of pin some newfound enthusiasm to maybe increases performance or it at least east prepares one of his crew cheese for future role in VR forty six at the premier class level so either way it makes sense and the fact that savant no gobble Sarah a didn't get blindsided by like Jeremy Burgess did and B. is staying with the Omaha continuing to work with the team in the program at the Moda? GP level that it gives us all hope that for once MotoGP everybody didn't get mad at each other and storm out of the room they sat down and talked about it like adult saying came to a decision together which which is a rare thing in the current do Khadi and Honda Style climates but that's not the only Yamaha talk heading into the weekend moving from something coming that is confirmed that we know of Valentine Rossy getting a new crew chief directly to rumor territory is Jones Arco going to be a Yamaha strider strider in two thousand twenty and this is something we've talked about on the show before it makes sense especially since yoenis vulgar is still weighing a fulltime move to Motoo and ends Arco obviously had success on the Yamaha when he was on at tech three and you know outside of Zhou m being moody and Emotionally Fragile Joel. There's not really a downside to getting a guy like him dedicated to testing your bike I mean maverick was asked about coming into the weekend and he said Hey I'm. I'm all for it. I mean this guy should be fulltime roger on a motor. GP Bike he shouldn't even be strider so of course if you put him on one of our bikes he will be capable of helping make it faster faster behind the scenes. was actually Galvez Sarah himself that mentioned that is a real possibility but it's not a done Sunday l. yet and the other rumor is at Honda is in the running as well to sign Zarko to be a test rider and you would think that this would be a slam dunk for Yama. He's ridden the bike before we feel good on it. He knows he can perform on it. You know obviously it's GonNa get done. Rights are going and Yamaha coming together but there's one area where Honda I think has a distinct distinct advantage and potentially learning Zarko away. That's in terms of wildcard performances because over the past couple of years they have been much more more willing to run Stefan brattle out there and races than Yamaha has been willing to with anybody outside of maybe in the home round at Japan and I imagine and it's going to be a major point for Zarko just like it was four say Bradley. Smith and I want to be able to run racist. I want to be able to show you what I can do and especially when it comes to the Amaha that we know oh he can perform with. I think he wants that chance desperately with a good bike to be able to show everybody what he's capable of doing on it. Even if it's just in a race ace here there however if it does come down to that it both have made similar offers or similarly attractive offers Zarko but the only only sticking point was wildcard braces. I would imagine that just slide Yamaha reverse their stance on the whole satellite teams getting current your equipment. I think they would make the same concession when it comes to wildcard races. If it meant they could get Sarko especially if it looks like Yoenis vulgar or is out the door and if that's the case if they're equal offers I think he's going to go with Yamaha and I think you would indeed help them now whether it would ultimately ultimately get him another factory opportunity somewhere automotive. GP Bike It's another story. That's a really tough one. I think that if he does well if he tests for say Yamaha he does a couple of wildcards. He does okay in those wildcards. That satellite bike is far more likely of an option shepper him in twenty twenty one then any factory ride. I mean obviously somebody like a pro. You might offer to him but I don't think he's GonNa take that this. I I think the most likely option there will be Suzuki but I don't think that there would be a spot necessarily for him at Honda or do cody or Yamaha because of the young riders that they would be interested in at that point next season during silly season so I'm curious what you think of both of those hey. Where do you think Valentine Rossi's switching crew. Chiefs is a big deal or no deal at all and be whether you think that Zarco should be test rider for Yamaha or a test drive for Honda which one of those teams you think he would help more and which one one of those organizations you think would be a better path for him to get back to mow. GP fulltime so facebook dot com slash photo dot net and our slash read it either one whichever one's your favorite go there and give me your opinions on that in the meantime. Let's talk about Thailand round thirteen of the Moto GP World Championship is this weekend at Chong International Circuit and Burum Thailand a second time. This race has ever been run and it could be the first time that a motor. GP Champion is the crown at this track and let's talk about the track because Boura might not seem like the most exciting place on paper but as we saw last year it is absolutely lutely capable of producing an exciting result and part of the reason that we got such a thrilling battle between Marquez and Andrea ditsy. Oh so here a year ago is because it isn't that far removed from another place. We've gotten some thrilling battles before and the red bull ring. I mean like Austria. You get a couple of big fast rates. It's on the front half of the course followed by some twisty bits on the back part of the circuit and as a result you get one part of the track that is completely stop and go all about acceleration delaration and breaking and then the other part of the track is relatively smooth and flowing. Maybe not as fast as someplace like Australia but still with some of those same ideas and and there are a lot of direct comparisons between the rebel ring and Baram but I would say that Argentina is quite similar as well especially when it comes to the twisty bets a a little bit slower more second and third year corners that are connected together although unlike any of those tracks. Outta just mentioned the one thing that Thailand has working against it is that it's pretty much flat everywhere and that's a bummer because if they would have left some of the natural landscape or created their own landscape that would make this place really really good. I'm not quite sure why anybody nowadays design attracted. Dozen have some elevation change. I designed to place. It's flat. Maybe there's a reason for it. I don't know if you know definitely telling tell me but even though it is flat there are still plenty of interesting sections because you've got the streets that are all fast and Australia by very sharp corners and heartbreaking zones and because of that turn one turn three and turn twelve all become critical especially turned off. That's the final turn and that turn was designed signed for a last second dive bomb. It was tailor made for some crazy action. If guys are close enough but that first part of the track definitely tips the scales towards the do Qadis he's in the Hondas with their bigger horsepower and especially the dakotas with their great straight line braking stability but then when things start turning edge grip comes into play throttle control comes into play and especially corner speed in that term five six combo that's the most interesting one of the circuit because sixes double apex and it really really turns into a section of three linked left-handers that kind of open up a little bit but not enough that you can get full throttle too early so it's deceptively technical and that of course is GonNa ship things back the other way towards the better handling bikes and the best part the best part about burhams layout is unlike Aragon on the last round where the fast part is at the very end so you get the twisty bits at first then you get that full throttle section and he's had this huge advantage coming down to line. It's the opposite in Thailand so the dakotas in the Hondas they will have an advantage at first but then the Yamaha's Suzuki still have half a track to gain back all of the ground they lost their top speed deficit and that should increase the chances that will get another exciting race and another exciting finish like we did last year so with that being said let's talk about the manufacturers coming into this race starting with Honda and those guys obviously won the race last year so they're probably I believe feeling pretty darn confident this time around too but keep in mind that their confidence really only goes as far as Marquez says does because outside of the ninety-three last year calculus the highest finishing Honda he was seventh while Takenaka Gami. Dani Pedrosa both had issues but that was across an entire race. When you talk about single APP speed it was there Mark Danny and cal they all qualified top seven and more than any other bike. I think the Honda is most suited to take advantage of the track layout with almost enough speed on the straights to keep up with the do coty and without the uphill pool that Austria has which really challenges the worst power and they also have almost enough handling to match the house and the Suzuki's in the twisty bits now of course Honda secret weapon. Here is in anything on the bike itself. It's Mark Marquez's big point lead because with so much space used to play with and the championship so close to being within their reach with those guys have to feel very confident loosening up the reins on mark and letting him go forward and he by far is as their best chance to get to the top step of the podium of course mark doesn't have a whole lot to loose here but neither does his biggest rival over do Khadi because four Dukakis Auty this race and actually the rest of the season is about two things winning races and holding that team championship lead over Honda because it's the only place it can be Repsol absol right now is in the team contest and both of those things are a possibility this weekend both winning and increasing that point margin you know Dakota's going to enjoy the same advantage they didn't Aragon acceleration on the streets but the margin is very likely to evaporate on the second half lap unless they do their best to make sure the bike is getting through the center of the corner as well as possible now Andrei Defense. He also was able to get the job done last season keeping up with Mark Wright down to that the final turn however do coty situation in that race a year ago was exactly the same as Honda's. Dolly was great but none of the other seventeen seventeen do God is in the field finished higher than eighth so like Honda their hopes rest squarely on the shoulders of their best rider they need dovy to take the fight to Marquez Marquez with the mission of making sure that Danilo Petrucci finishes as far in front of Lorenzo as humanly possible to keep that team lead now keep in mind that weather could play a factor here throughout the weekend and if it does then that tips the scales a little bit more towards both factory to cody Rogers as well as Jack Miller for for that matter so it's going to be very possible that Delina could be doing a rain dance Sunday morning and I would love to see that on that. It would be a right to see that on TV adorn. I I know you're listening please. If g outback right before the sun comes up with his like little shakers beads definitely get a camera on him let's move on the woods again. Yamaha comes into this race as a bit of an unknown. I mean on one hand. This track track only caters to their strength fifty percent of the time and on the other that fifty percent is the part that leads back to start finish and it's similar similar tracks this year they haven't been a serious contender but they haven't been bad either finishing third through fifth in Austria and of course Valentino Rossi was second in Argentina and it's not just the factory guys I mean Yamaha's been crowding the back of the top five lately with as many different bikes and riders as possible and remember that's also how they they finished last year and Behram third through fifth with Venezuela's Rossi and Zarko man even though trading logger and the results department from a year ago would be a little bit disappointing pointing. I think that's really where they're going to be aiming this time around third theft. Although especially with the way the vanilla Zimbabwe quarrel had been running a double podium should be on their target list. I mean that should be on their wishlist for this weekend now. Whether it's going to be the most interesting I would think for the Amaha guys because if it is a wet race I actually think that tells the scales a little bit towards Valentino Rossi well of course unless we're talking about a flag the flag because the doctor seems to have absolutely terrible terrible judgment when it comes to flag the flag races in the recent past and then if it does rain as well Fabrio Quattro in Franklin Morbidelli big question mark over for those guys. We don't know how they're going to adapt how they're going to perform at this stage on the m one if it is indeed a wet race sub while he may want the rain. Yamaha probably happily wants it to stay away. They probably WANNA take chances in the dry against Marquez even if it leaves them at a slight disadvantage to the Honda Rider and then like Yamaha's Zouqi you is going to be looking at the second half of this Chong International Circuit to capitalize on their advantage and they're going to predictably lose quite a bit in the first I couple of sectors the problem for them though is that they haven't really performed. It's similar tracks this year. I mean Alex rains was six Austria. He was fifth in Argentina. Enjoy a mirror didn't finish the former and he didn't even start the ladder and neither of those riders look very good at all in Aragon and let's face it. Airgun isn't wholly different in layout than Burr elevation changes. The biggest difference between the two and of course which part of the track is the fast one which part is the twisty one and so it probably isn't much of a surprise is given his performance at similar tracks that Alex Rinse was six here year ago and Andrea you know was eleventh now Ken this. This is Yuki guys perform better this time around absolutely and they'll certainly be looking to atone for the disaster. That was Aragon now. The land is it's definitely. GonNa help them. The weather may not but either way Suzuki. I think should be aiming for a top five with Rennes and top ten top. Eleven from Mir is a realistic Listrik goal. I'm just not quite sure. Podium is in the cards it would definitely not for mere but for ransom not quite sure if a podium is in the cards for him or not we get the cates. Yam well. Those those guys used to have a rider that finished top ten here Jones Arco but not anymore they will get a bit of a boost emotionally. Hey from Poulsbo grow returning after Michigan with fracture breast but I would not expect Paul who's usually their best hope for a top ten. I wouldn't expect them to be anywhere near one hundred percent. I mean the guy had surgery ten days ago. They inserted a plate in his wrist fourteen stitches and so for him. It's going to be more about taking care of himself. Not Making any stupid mistakes that could cause a more severe injury so I think he's going to be overly cautious and he should be overly cautious this weekend especially if it rains. I'm however I don't think all hope is lost because even a damaged overly cautious. Police Barbaro is still capable of scoring points on that bike and who would the thought I would be saying something like that a year ago or a year and a half ago especially and that will bolster their effort and their manufacturers race against Aprilia but also I think that Miguel Olivera is rapidly gaining confidence and this was a good track for him in Moto two last year so their hopes may still be alive for a top ten just not out of the rider later that we would expect the top ten out of a KTM then when it comes to those guys are coming off their best race of the year at Aragon but I wouldn't be holding thing my breath. The trend is gonNA continue this weekend. You'll strange thing is it should continue. I mean Aragon is not that much different than Thailand but there's just something about that place that clicks with both Alyssa's bar grow and the team in general and the SPAGO said as much coming into this weekend's race but if if they they can carry over some just a little bit of that momentum then yeah they could put a rider in the top ten net rider of course would be. La Sparks who knows maybe Abuna would come up with something but I certainly wouldn't be betting money on that so those are the manufacturers and now it's time to talk about the contenders the writers so I think the best shot at scoring a top five finish this weekend getting on the podium and maybe just maybe winning the entire race and when you talk about winning this this race you gotta start with one guy one guy alone. Marquez Zipper mark all he needs to do is finished fourth author better and make sure that Andre the video so is anywhere behind him and that's it. He can wrap up the two thousand nineteen motor. GP VP championship with four races left to run. That's insane and even though having his name etched in the trophy once again in Japan Japan where of course Yamaha's based that would make the boss is happy. Don't think I second that he and the team don't want to get things wrapped up this Sunday. If it's at all possible and nobody nobody's better prepared to accomplish the task at hand. Baram then Marquess it was a good fight with Dobie last year was good race overall last here but remember it's the only time that he's told one on one with Andrea into the final corner and come out on top that means a lot that competence and and with a title right there within reach. It's going to make him awfully difficult to beat so he is one hundred percent the favorite coming into this weekend but remember he also knows that he is embracing the field. He's Racing Andrea Defense. Yosso so push comes to shove things. Get intense at the front on. 'em. You know a guy like quarrel. A guy like in y'all as a guy like Alex Raines is pushing him really really hard. I would not be surprised to see Marquez. Marquez be at least a little bit conservative if he knows dove is behind him even of course if conservative for market one hundred and three percent instead of a hundred six hundred thousand seven percent but that's the only scenario if somebody really pushes him hard in that person is an Andrea the video so then that could be the reason that he doesn't win the race because he's thinking about the big picture because it's not about what trophy he brings away from Thailand. It's about what trophy he brings away. At the end of the season now marks focuses is purely purely on the points and the championship right and so you would think that I would say that Andrea Defeats Llosa's focused then is to finish in front of mark thereby thereby prolonging the championship but I don't think that's the case because I think that ship has sailed and I cannot imagine that Andrea is approaching this race under the pretense that you know he needs to continue the title fight with Marquez. I mean it's over and we all know it's over because even if he finishes in front of Mark this weekend then he goes to Japan in a situation where he'd have to win out. Ami have to hope that essentially mark wrecks in every single race and we all know that's not happening but that's actually good good because that means that Andre is sole focus is going to be winning and extracting revenge for losing last year and if he does that while that actually actually would prolong the championship for another race only one more but it would prolong it for another race now to do that. Though the Kathi like I said earlier just need to focus on that one one thing corner speed. They've got plenty of tricks in their bag for the first few sectors. They've got great acceleration. They've got the heartbreaking stability. They've got all the stuff they need to get to the front so they just need to focus on losing as little as possible in the twisty bits either that or else they got hope for rain because the weather does. I believe we've give dovy a bit of an advantage both because of his confidence on the wet track and because rain is likely to make mark less adventurous because he does at some point want to protect the points now coming off that impressively strong performance in Aragon where he started tenth finished second. It's clear he's one hundred percent backing needs to qualify better and if he does that means we could be in store for another barn burner between mark and dovy Sunday afternoon. Of course I would not be surprised if a third writer doesn't join the Party at the front in the form of Maverick Manila's now remember mad didn't just finish on the podium last year at Thailand. He was less than three tenths off. The pace is set by mark and dovy. That naturally hasn't feeling pretty good about the track coming in the question then becomes the bike then y'all is said Eh in the prerace press conference that he is trying out all those new parts again that would amount to the carbon swing arm that front wheel pie plate thingy and then the dual exhaust plus whatever ever else they've come up with and that he that kind of confused him where he said that confused amid Aragon and he almost went as far as saying that the confusion over deciding deciding what parts he wasn't wasn't gonNA use the race may have had a negative impact in his battle with those two copies. Nothing that's a bunch of yes but that's what he said or or somebody suggested did that to him and he agreed with them so he didn't come out and say that on his own somebody threw it out there and he took the pitch and knocked it out of the park so he's. GonNa try out those parts again and that may or may not be a problem now. The other thing to consider is Valentino Rossi wasn't able to make those parts work the way he was hoping for it Aragon however the fact that he ran that race with the maybe they learned something maybe they can then make the right adjustments to make all those new parts work and it could be just the thing thing that maverick needs to propel him a little bit closer to the front he needed what have second well if we base things off last year than just a little bit closer is all he would need to be a major factor in this race on and speaking of Rossi. Let's talk about him Nex because even though he was pretty bad Baragan. There's a fair chance that he could bounce back this weekend. He was one of those riders that was in the mix last year at Thailand although he started to lose the Senate at the very end but it was still within a second and a half of the winning being pace now. I'm not quite sure if the whole crew chief announcement is going to negatively or positively affect valet for that matter but I imagine it won't be that big of a deal. L. Rossi's been through some stuff before it might actually help could kickstart both sides both Rossi and Gaba Sarah into focusing a little bit more to get the best out of their remaining time together and so both sides can prove that they really can do it. You'll try something a little bit more out of the box and prove that they can be successful before they finally part ways but one way or the other the doctor clearly needs to start drawing on the momentum of his Yamaha teammates because they're all battling for the back of the podium and he's not and and he should be to of course part of the problem valley getting to the back of the podium is that Fabio Harare is not only fighting for the same space with him but if we're to believe Lynn Jarvis heading into this weekend. There's a good possibility that starting with this race and moving onto the end of the year there were going to see more and more of of those new Yamaha parts on Quadra rose bike in the stuff he's going to be writing is going to be closer and closer to what then y'all as an Rossi have now if that that is the case if bobby was going to be getting bikes that are nearly equal or equal to what Mavin Valet have well then that makes him even even more dangerous starting right now this weekend and even more of a podium threat and it's probably not a coincidence that Jarvis is loosening the leash a little bit on on parts for Fabio Yaro at exactly the same time on exactly the same weekend that monster energy announces a personal deal with with Fabio Charro. I don't want to speculate too much but I think we can all see where this is going and that alone. Maybe a boost for for coiro heading into the weekend. I'm last Ryder went to talk about the favorites category Alex rance and even though I did talk down Zouqi a little bit a minute ago I do like runs earns in this race. He obviously has a lot to prove coming off of a less than Stellar Aragon performance and even being bid and consistent so far in the second half of the season. He and the bike are both still better now than they were a year ago and that means. He's got a solid chance to be a top five. Ryder this weekend. However things are getting adding a big crowded at the front lately. You've been yellows writing way better watch rural showing up on the scene. Jack Miller's writing great amuse writing graded Aragon so these these are the riders that Rans now has to aim for first before he gets back to taking on mark and dovy that being said he is the only Roger this this year other than the video to be able to take a legitimate shot have legitimate go at Martin Marquez this year so while a true return to form would be a bit of a surprise is with less pressure championship wise right now they could still a possibility especially with the second half of the Thailand circuit really lending itself to both Sukey Prince's style of racing so those are the riders. I think have the best shot of finishing on the podium. Maybe even competing for a win but there are some other riders yes. I'M GONNA have my eye on this weekend. Starting with Jack Miller now the upside Jack is coming off of one of his strongest races of the year in Aragon and even though he's he's still not posting the type of consistent results. He was in the first half of the year while when he made it to the end of the race. He'll definitely have a lot of momentum coming into this weekend. The downside Jack is never scored back to back podiums IMO GP ever and he was a year ago so the statistics say it's. I'M NOT GONNA be another third or second place finish but this track is still similar enough to Aragon and on top of that he's got a ton of motivation right now to both prove that that he is as fast or even faster than pitchy and don't forget this the Takada was thinking ditching him for Hey Lorenzo and that may have him racing facing with a little bit of a chip on his shoulder it would erasing that way and so if he's using both of those being passed up for the factory ride and the possibility ability being ditched before for Lorenzo. I think that that would be enough motivation that we could see another strong race out of him. of course dinner will protrude. Ci is on the other side of that equation because we're Miller is running well right now protrude. She has got he's got to get his season back on track and quick otherwise there's going to be talk in the do. COTY head office over the off season and the last thing that protrude she wants is talk is doubt. How is anybody wondering whether they made the right choice over the offseason at that point a lot of phone calls can be made a lot of deals can be started and so he wants to leave the Dakota brass thinking we made the right decision this can perform on the bike and right now. He's not doing net so he's got to get that going again. He's got another track here with a big straight. That's going to help him break free of his slump and a few more like it after this and he smart hard enough to know that he does have to go out there and make something happen that finishing tenth finishing twelfth that's not gonna cut it anymore so he's got to step up to the increase competition at the end of the season and distinguish himself and if he can do that within that's GonNa a reinforce the decision that takata-made aid and be make sure that they're not talking about him heading into the off season that they're talking about something or anything other than him heading into winter testing the next up on the board is couch slow and Unocal is not riding badly right now since his podium in Germany he's been fifth and Bruno Sixth and Silverstone Stone. He was six the Narain course. He's also wrecked out a couple of times so he's on the edge of being in the mix. I think his problem is similar to to like someone like Alex Rain. Our pitchy for that matter. They're just more guys right now that are running at or near the front and he suffering as a result but but like Aragon this tracks should be relatively well suited to the Honda. He just needs to step up his game a little bit and he's going to be a top five writer but he's increasingly only. GonNa find himself in a situation where he has to find a solution to Venezuela's. Yes to find a solution to Bobbio Harare and he still has the regular old guys of Rossi and David. It's the OSO and Marquess to contend with as well and it's all it takes is one extra guy in that mix and now all of a sudden. He's at the back of the top ten so really. He's got not not just be consistent when he finishes a he's gotTa finish be. He needs to be as consistent as he has been when he is finishing and then see he's got to come up with just a little bit more to get by one or two of these other riders have really stepped up their game in the past five or six rounds of the championship or so and then let's move on to a couple of guys that are really early fringe riders for me but I think they deserve to be on the watch list at this particular race the first one of those Miguel Olivera and because Paul whole a spa grow is going to be on the men this weekend that means. There's an opening that means there's a chance for Olivera to steal a little bit of that spotlight. KTM Now the the strange thing about Miguel. He really isn't scoring many more points right now than he was earlier in the season but it just feels like he's writing better. I mean he had the eighth back in Australia. He was running up in tenth in the middle of the race. Nara gone before we drift back a couple of spots at the end this weekend could be a great opportunity for him to take what he learned at both of those races and combined at the track that isn't too far away from either of those places if he does that the manages the the end of the race just a little bit better well this weekend could be a great opportunity for him to take spago spot at the back of the top ten and that that would be huge it'll be huge for both him and KTM and could single handedly propel him into that conversation again of replacing Jones Arco if he's not already been chosen has the guy and then the final row WanNa talk about Happy Siren yes. I'm putting on my watchlist not because I'm expecting him to be a surprise brize top five or even top ten ryder but this is his home race and this could be his last home race Emoji P for a while or possibly even ever so. I think he's going to be up for it and so I think we could see his best performance of the year of course twelfth both would be enough to make that happen to be best performance of the year but still finishing twelfth would be pretty darned impressive given what he's done so far this season now. Is that realistic well. It's kind of borderline. It depends how the race plays out and part of this is just for me. I mean it's Kinda. WanNa see him do well. Because I genuinely a fan of heavy CZARINA. I think he's a very hard worker and it will be nice to see him. Get a good result at a race that means so much to him will be a nice sendoff for him his fans and and of course for tech three so that brings us to the only thing left when we're talking about this weekend's race and it's the part that I dread the most making the picks so instead of agonizing about it. I'll get right to it here on my picks for the top five finishers in this weekend's Moto. GP Race in Thailand at Chung International National Circuit Finishing Fifth Valentino Rossi and really when it comes to the doctor in this race I kind of have to weigh his chances against a couple of things what he's done recently the the potential for off track changes to add instability and his confidence level in the bike right now given those new parts and all of those things is when you put them together that puts him off the podium for me but that being said I have a feeling that he might be able to get himself back on track this weekend probably prove proved me wrong so got him in fifth and Fourth Alex rance and he's Kinda my sleeper pick. I like rains for a comeback performance in this one because he's not going to be lacklustre forever. Let's face it. He's a really good writer on a really good bike and I think the layout gives him and the other handling bikes and equivalent vantage in this race to what the do colonies enjoyed in the last round Aragon where they were disproportionately better at the end of the lap and I think that gives you a really big advantage when things are close arrays brings me to the podium and finishing third maverick than y'all is now he was sounding relatively confident just a little bit uncertain about about the new parts in his prayers comments and how they're all gonna work out so while it was considering maybe even putting him on the top step of the podium and what would be a little bit of a surprise is. I think that sorting out the new bike and the new parts might hold them back just a little bit but I'm hoping that we're going to get a fantastic three way battle between in all of my podium picks so maverick. You're listening. You better. Step up man. I WanNa see brace and you can make that happen. Severance means in the top two. Who did I pick go with your standards. The pick somebody out of the ordinary well. I don't think you're GONNA be surprised with the guys I picked but a you might be surprised in the order that I picked them in second. I'm putting Mark Marquess now. Don't get me wrong. You can totally win this race. He probably will win this race but there are two reasons that I'm picking taking him runner up number one while he does WanNa win. He doesn't want to make a mistake and give up twenty five points to dove. You're somebody else and honestly honestly in his mind. It probably wouldn't be terrible for him to take the title in Japan Anyway. So feeling gets you know sixteen or twenty points big deal right and then second there is a possibility we could see some weather and I think that that would give the writer I picked to win the race a slight advantage and it would make mark extra cautious because again while he wants. It's the way he wants to be on the podium. The last thing he wants to do is give up twenty five points when he's this close to clinching the championship and you know even if he gets out of Thailand without the championship championship I mean the title is going to be right there for him to take just by showing up in Japan essentially as long as finishes on the podium and then that means that if I'm picking Mark to win the race picking Dovy Andrea David Co so can he exact revenge for last year. I think so and last week confirmed that he is back on his game. Now part of this is just me wanting the championship however impossible to go at least one race further to make us feel like you know always wrapped up with three to go when we really know it was wrapped up in the middle of the season so that's my top five for this weekend's. Race Valentino Rossi Fifth Alex Rinse fourth and on the podium maverick Fan y'all as it's Marquez and your winner Sunday Andrea video so do you agree. Do you disagree with you know what to do. 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#197 - Keemstar Has No Boundaries

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#197 - Keemstar Has No Boundaries

"Into. By the blood lamb by the blood lamb. Welcome to the PODCAST. We were watching these clips of Welcome to the PODCAST. We're back in our basement because the. So out of control. You know. I feel like I'll another lockdown imminent? And Anyway I just felt it was safe for everybody to be in that small confined room with the way, things are getting so as very sad and not happy that we're all back. Because I really liked being there with everybody in the office. But here we are you know. We got the guys on. Everybody? got. Band Yeah we've got and the wizard. Finally see Dan's bedroom. And Wisconsin. or Background. Stuff mattress. Base you play. A Little Bit Dabbles slots baseman. A slap at the base and Um we've got. Zack WHO's at? Woodstock of yes. I. Was that the height. Music, Zach, Woodstock! Yeah? It also sixty nine was a weird year Kenner. A good transition in the seventy s sixty nine year they're. Nice. You liked the position sixty nine. Yes, you do. Find it a Lotta. Kinda give it. It's not a real sexual. Wall I mean. What do you mean by that? We'll because like. It's kind of hard to I feel like. It's kind of hard to give and receive. It's a lot going on. As you can't focus entirely on one task. That's very true. That's my problem with the six nine. Dan You have a, you have a counterpoint. Dan Shaking I'M GONNA. You know if you got the skills I mean it doesn't matter if you lacking some practice I don't know. That reverse sixty nine. I, More passing what's reverse sixty nine? It's when the guys on top and. Bottom and you just. You just destroy her face. What is what does that mean? Exactly, that's exactly what. Have you tried that. I know? That's what Dan does this way much? Poor girlfriend. In we have. Let's see those won't comment in. That's fair enough. Hi Guys. Hello in your hair is growing. I know I got a mullet going on. Has Scanner I need to go out. I need to go in quarantine, but I don't want to. DEAL WITH THE BARBER YEAH I'm very Barbara. Verse is so intimate. You have to talk with them. Yeah. I don't like talking to the Barbara I. Sit there in silence. They always WanNa talk to me and. He gets even worse for women, but maybe I'm just wrong, but I like there are expected to chit chat with a I think it depends if you have a female. Usually yes I. Have we usually to female cutting my hair to and they want. They want to judge. You know. I'd imagine they must get I mean that's what they're expected to do. Is Talk to you, but. June. Live hours in. They would prefer us to shut the hell up the. Why don't they fed up and let me sit there silently? Because that's what that's Kinda goes hand in hand your day. That's the that's the question I hate the most has day it's like how do you really want to answer that? It's like whatever I had to drive. Yeah. It's fine. How's Your Day? Good. Anything new going on yeah. Again. Don't ask me what I do for a living slick the. I hate that. I, always I've tried so many different directions like Instead that I. Am just an editor I'm not you? You don't want to start a conversation. Yet, trying to find the answer that has the least amount of following eight years. Yeah, but there is Al- always following questions like no matter what you say Gar. I'm a garbage man. That'd be like really why. What area okay, let me try. Let me find what what can I answer. That will give the. I I'm a telemarketer. How long have you been see I? Don't. Who Cares Telemarketer? The job sucks what products to you so? They're trying to call your bluff. I'M A. I'M A. I'm a dentist. You GonNa ask about that. How! How old are you why your? What's your favorite tooth? Nobody's GONNA. Ask you what your favorite so I think. That's a pretty good. Will. You gotTA worry about for. Where did you go to dental school? Oh you think they'd ask that. Yeah, family, it'd be like the yeah. That's see you don't want to get into that. It's like whatever you think kind of gets worse. You don't expect. Can I tell you about a story in college? I was sitting there working. Minding my own business I was reading an essay or something and the College Library. And I and I just didn't really want to be bothered. Okay is the only time I've ever done this in my life. And some guy who there's like this this guy who goes to like. He's like this older guy. And he was like a teacher's aide or something and. I don't know if he had like. I don't know what it was, but he just wouldn't. He wants he's guy that will come up to you and just not stop talking. Friends with him. I was barely even going with the guy, but he'll just come up. You won't stop. Right I said to. Mike almost immediately because I saw where it was going as I. Listen I don't really want to have a conversation right now. and. Then, you really bad nearly felt bad and he you could tell. He immediately was like super crush. But. He was okay no problem I didn't want to bother you and he walks off. You have to. You have to understand that like. I didn't have a long time not. So the question is. Is that something you can tell? Barbara is as something I don't really feel like having a conversation right now. My worst one was actually the last one that I had with a barber because since then I only. Your mom cut hair. And it was this lady and she kept asking me what do I do and I was trying to do? The video production angle because? You don't WanNa going to like. We have a Youtube Channel the. So I was just doing like I, do video production and She kept trying to ask questions, and I tried to give like this one word answers to kind of wrap it up. And then there's this new thing I guess we're with Barbara's. They really want to build up their instagram accounts. And they a lot of times. We'll take photos of like before and after. That and so she was starting to go in that direction and I was on my phone because that's another way to like not socialized your like. Your phone. And so she was like what instagram account I can tag you. When we're done I put up a fixer and I can tag. You was the haircut that magnificent that she needed a now. I hate it. Was Not listen expensive haircut, no just regular ever like I just walked into a place regular price. Average haircut so. Then, it got really awkward because she already knew my name and she was asking me for my instagram uncommon. I was already on my phone though so. She saw that I was on his own, so I had to tell her my instagram account. And then she saw the followers, and I could see on her face like wait, the will start turning. What do you do like I? Feel like? She started to think that I'm actually a porn star. Because I told her that I do. Because I told her that I video production and I didn't WanNa go into details. And they have followers. And ended up feeling so weird. No I feel like she kinda got the idea that I. Don't want to talk about it because yeah. Interesting. Weird. Good answer to get them to stop? Do you do. We offer living I do. I do what about like I do super? Just give them all info up front I do. Gang Yeah, I aren't black dot. com. Yeah I was GONNA. Say Get really do Sado masochistic. Okay. How long have you been doing that? Well we don't last long in this business. How many guys at a time yeah, you think so that I don't know they were. They'll find. The questions was Barbara's now. It's your. Stick you've taken. What about. My My Mom's a hairstyle soft ask. What the thing is that? My mom makes her back back-off. I'M GONNA. Ask My that that's a really good that we can provide useful information to people. But. This isn't even about being like a a list. Celebrities about being like even when I was just doing marketing I never wanted to I just want to have conversation. See what I hate is conversations that ARC legally substance lists that he'll walk out of and forget, and then you, and then having the same conversation with the next Barbara every time. It's just I can hate. It drives me crazy. I hate when they do it at the grocery stores all dude you. Specifically Trader Joe's. Trader Joe's is. Here like two minutes right? Will they tell the cashiers be friendly? Chit Chat. Dialect Schalke's remember that from office space. Joe's trophies of the grocery were. should've say Chit Do Chitchat that your day going. Listen. Now's not the time for a conversation. Hot Out. You got plans for tonight. As, that is what what is your intention there? Are you trying to find something that you? Know I just had a big fight with my husband Really. Don't go back home whether you want me to start barring my heart out, yeah! Then all the sudden. They're done like all right moving along. came. Get the fuck out in the first place. Anyway thanks to rich for sponsoring this episode. Am I the only one that has. Are we the only. Do you guys have problems with small talk? Yeah No. Yes, this is is very relatable. Yeah Sometimes I'll start small talk with like at the grocery store you will. of course, the person that were complaining about well I'm very interested by people in their story. Oh Zach, you have. Seconds with them. What story? I know maybe I. Don't anything to Brighton someone's Day up. I don't know so. Maybe you're not brighten their day. Maybe you're just. Like! A shadow on. What would you ask someone out of cashier grocery store. House life. House the fruit I'll be at. First fresh. So how'd you Dago? Traffic on the way into work today like. I was at the grocery store the other day and woman that was. Scanning my stuff she looked like chooses bad mood and I don't know I tried to. You. Let me talk to her really good. She actually like it made her happy just. Fake. So tell me about the give me an in depth conversation that you had with they're. Just I, don't I'm like? How's your day going? You know she's like Oh. Yeah, it was pretty rough, and then she's like there. Was this like this lull and I'm like. Yeah, it's pretty hot outside. That today. It seemed like it. Put a smile on, so she so what happened was she opened the door to a real conversation to you. And you didn't take it. while. It's hot outside. Well I could've probe a little deeper. I'm just trying to be nice off doing yeah. It's hot outside. What did she say? Yep Yep sure. How was there anything scorcher was there? Yup With A. He's like and I'm like and I'm like? Yeah, you know and then. I brought up like our heat kills the virus and she's like I hope it's killing something way. Kills. It kills this conversation. Maybe I am so envious of US Zach. Could be more like you. You think that Brandon Day. I hope it did. Yeah me, too. I do though. I'm being too on. With, what somebody would somebody saying that to you? Bring Your Day? Maybe that's maybe that's the secret. I think so yeah I. Think it would. That's sweet, so there are different people. In the world. Right not everyone's like you will. Angus the fact that I'm like you makes us thing that everybody everybody should no I know Zach Zach is a very sweet kind Zach. Pure heart is very pure. Thank you golden boy, your heart, pure sixty nine. Here's sixty nine baby. I only only not on task. Reverse your sensitive. Eighty six. Point up. Pure ninety, six. Ninety six reverse nice sex. Of Boy. I'll never forget my friend. You now have. Probably heard the star he he referred to this girl. He's like the super sensitive social justice wire, and then he goes. Yeah, this is in college. He goes You know where he goes. He sees a cute girl. Goes electrical elected to push on her face. Like what? Like your your life I like to do push ups on her face just like straight up. No nope. Gossip for, that message. Well. Out to the bars out there. I guess the. Best Barber read the room. You know. As being Aubrey Barbara's being a bartender. You gotTa Kinda. GotTa. Work at you gotTA listen. Your therapists. You're that you're the. Corner store therapist. Therapists. Anyway today. We're sponsored by Ridge as I mentioned. Spongebob Teddy Fresh Expunge Bob, the epic collaboration that sold out last time, and about five minutes it was all gone by popular demand. The restock is back July fifth ten exclusively at TEDDY FRESH DOT com. These will not be on sumit's. This is exclusively teddy fresh. We have and including new limited edition colors. ooh ooh ooh. This is your last chance to get this beautiful collection. So by now. By now or be forever regretful. Okay guys! has anyone else seem dark? I've been watching that on Netflix and it's like it's insanely good. Dark. Anybody I was going to watch what you and I ended up falling asleep every night and anything that's been staying up all night every day of the week of the last week. I'm sorry I didn't realize. I didn't realize we were going to be attacking Ethan today. Not really that game you. Get a complimentary show I actually I just can't. Just a night person I, just I have a really hard time going to bed before to like even when I've been waking up early. I'm just really sleep-deprived because this week. I've been waking up early, but I still can't go to bed before and and it's really a problem for me. More than two young. Player to. I probably went to bed at. Around three. Maybe even later. Re thirty probably. How do you feel about the nobody's seen dark? I have not you told me about it? I want to check it out but good. In the dark on that one. My somebody's. Inch garbage garbage garbage. Ila Sorry I. Cut you awful, we say. How did you get used to watching it with subtitles? Yeah, totally. For some reason it doesn't like. It auto plays in Dob when you first with the show on. And it's like Oh. My God I thought it was the worst show ever. And then we realize wait. It's DOT, yeah. Why why would anyone even watch adopt show? Can we talk about that? I don't know I'm sub gang for life. It's their subtitle option. I'm definitely doing that especially on like not an anime like Ami make sense that's their France by like real people dob anime DUB fucking rules. Let's condense straight. Debatable, but it's it's OK. Cya really good. Some are really good grew like for example. alchemists right. Don't hate. ATER. Actually is pretty good. But, but film dubs. Anyway. was really hard to watch. You want to look at some bad tattoos, yes? Grape. So, we've been saving these up. You know that we always do the segment. Looking at bad tattoos covers going ship, and this all started of course with Ben. Affleck's back to the was the worst tattoo she's ever seen since then. We've been on a mission to find. A tattoo worst and Ben Affleck. Today with Jacked Jack from the nightmare are was it called? Chris the. Yeah. Jacked Jap now what the Fuck is wrong with you? Would you tattoo that it's so? Even funny, it's weird. The details impressive though. Like there's a lot of small details. Go pretty impressive. Yeah, like Jack. Jack has tattoos instead to -ception. And he's got pubic hairs Oh no! He's got cubes going down to his He's Jack Jack Donate? Now is this a female or males late? I would say female. Using she jerks off to that? She goes like this. She looked back at her leg. Interesting. So. How do you rate this worse than? Well we've already went over that. You know those different factors, so it's kind of hard, but. I think this game should just be. Let's just sent worse than a really, but but these are regular people and Ben Affleck is Ben Affleck. So how get so on a scale? Although actually we found out that we thought it was lying about it being a real to, and then we found out that was a fake story. So is gained credit since then okay. How do we measure is changed? We need like we need a standardized way of of. Har- harming the meter has changed because when we thought that he lied about his to do that. Put it up here. Now. We find out. He was just trolling. Paparazzi which is great. So is is got a Lotta Street credit. Back Okay so! How do we measure these? So I think this is worse than Ben Affleck now. But we need something. That's bad. We need something that like. We had what we're. The worst ones that we've picked whereas the dude with the belly button giant cow's ass, all yeah. Yeah that was rough. Why you do that, your body, okay this worst than cow hall. We called it. When I should say, this won't be helpful, because it's kind of the finale of the segment, and I don't want to give any spoilers, but there there is potentially a new king in this batch. Let's going to surpass scale one being. The like worst thing you've ever seen like. If this was on somebody, you would disassociate knowing that. Okay and ten being like a so really good at. Okay! So, what would you rate? This one is like I got on friend yeah okay. If I, knew this girl personally and like I mean I like a a three? That's a fucking horrible tattoo. A one is you have a swastika on your? Guy This is a three. Okay Great. So this is. This Kobe Bryant. Just feel bad consciously was made in. Yeah, and but obviously just not by a good artist. So I don. It looks like he's hanging. Look what's going on under the rim. It looks like I mean. But we're GONNA did it can locate this. The intention is good. Executions, so it's more bite link. I would fired the two artists, but. It's not that bad okay. This one says. Tom I name point out. And Getting Tattoo very early on January third two thousand nineteen. To icon earned my wife's trust back. I've causing her marriage. I am a liar cheater. Deceiver or prostitute lover dishonest and disrespectful. Though I I would break up with those guys I have feeling. The wife wrote stadium do that. no I don't think so I. One trillion percent think the wife and agree with you. What do. Oh! You think that he just did this on his own to try that kind of thing, yeah? I don't know which one's worse. Actually! Desperation. I was assuming what Ethan said that that. She told him he's got to do. Because it's written like it's written like ultimatum right now way. A But he he also says so I can earn my. Of. What do you think Zach am? Mother loving, air! I, think he. He did it to try and win his wife bag well. Yeah? I think. It was a a l Mary desperate play at the end of the Game Yeah Holy Shit. Yeah what kind of wife would make you do that? You already lost crazy. One like no, he's crazy. Randolph the stuff is done. You lied. He cheated he manipulated. Yeah is a crazy one. Misspelled deceive. I. You except after C. I think he misspelled deceiver Oh. You're right. The wife would not miss bell. To see her you. So. Is it like Same Level as a swastika? So it's an idol. But. I would write glowing. It's nine. Nine. To sorry to to. A to I was ready to. Disguise clearly unstable mean Goddamn of is liable to do anything. So. This one reads the sweetest girl I ever kissed was another man's wife, my mother. Sweden. was another man's why? My mother, so like I understand what he's going for. But? That's just GonNa be a no for me. Well! It's where he can't refer to your mother as a girl. That's the way about is somewhere. Buds off this one. We're. Moving on that one's not. That's like a fireworks, yeah! So this, this one's actually really funny because. Woman tattooed white lives matter, but the the comment from John B.'s. She got the McDonalds fought. So fucking! Lives Matter A. I mean that's like a one for me. Yeah, that's the one that said this own definitely want. Don't engage oche. If, she is on this side of the crosswalk. I'm I'm crossing the street. The data sat right. That's definitely a one now. This you have the Scorpion. King, drake is was really good execution, but terrible the. Terrible thing to have your guy. But again I will give that like I would even give that a five grey. Shula okay. This guy tattooed a shoe on his foot and I don't understand why. discuss. WHO's route shoe? I don't get the purpose. Is Dude tattooed issue. He loves Jordan so much. Is that whether he just loves his Jordan's. That's the worst stats whoever although somehow it's not a one. Because it's not hateful yes. But is it too? Yeah, it's. God that must hurt. Is this. What you assumed would be the worst one Dan. yeah, I think so why? Did he tattoo like a sour blue. DOTS no, but here there's like a stain I. Guess it's like shading. Because you know sometimes you get like your sneakers. Get thirty at aims meant to be shade. I. Was that shade this whole? There's like a whole dark locher like it's leather, so I think they were trying to go super realistic like. I. Doubt looks way better than this looks like the he's spilled. Like is. This guy's got stands on shoes. You like his toenails. Those. The toenail actually. Tattooed over those. And then finally or not finally you like heaven. Don't you mommy March tent. Oh my Gosh! I mean three to March fourteen, two thousand nineteen rest of baseball. Incidentally you can also tell. He has a cross on his back, so he's a religious man. You like heaven. Don't you mommy. Why. Why are we? and. That's the one. You like Evan. Don't you mommy? It's so. It almost sounds like he killed her. Yet sounds like he's happy. She dead. That's a one for me. The worst thing ever. What about this? What is are we sure? This is real almost looks photoshop, but what is with out of Jesus? It's one of these weird format ones. What is Lies Life Oh. How? I hate. Letters of formatted. It would should read what is without goal or I don't know what is without life goal. But his life without goal. Why is it not Lerwick? What is life? The Oh it is. For Man. He's ran. That's that's say that's like. A one point five. I'll give it a five different fonts in a What I think, it's a two sentence because but be honest. How much would you judge somebody with? You are the. Then! Buff? I guess he's doing a film. role and the character had a Tattoo I. Get the Tattoo instead of. Doing a fake one and it's a pretty weird. It's like insane clown posse. The MOM and it says creeper. And he has kind of a cow whole going onto. It's pretty disgusting. So. I don't that because he's trying to pull off like a method actor. Here and get credits for. Like going the extra mile, but I don't. It's not necessary. No, There's that's so much like never. Makeup artist. Course especially on a movie set. Horse, but I'm assuming he just really liked the Tattoo I. Don't think he would have got otherwise. Creeper. That's true is got to like, but he was our dudes so I'm feeling. He just thinks full. Yeah creeper. That part better be fucking good. That there'd be a good as movie Bro. From a movie called the tax collector. David Air Movie I'm saying. Who? has made some good movies. He, did make a suicide squad though so Take from. Take from that what you will. So there you go. Down One. How do you rate it? I mean that one that one's. With the contacts and everything it's it's not that big of a deal. It's a probably four or five. Now if you had to take. Data to or Ben Affleck Sue. You'll get touted on your I will get I would definitely take that. You would yes easily no, yes, and no con-. Agreed like easy you I mean that one is so much worse than bands. Now, what is so much worse than that? Yeah, and hold on just. Did you just say that this is like a four? Because I feel like this is the new king. This is what I was referring to. A bad. It's not that bad. What you just said you would take Ben's over this. That's why I'm just saying in the context of everything and who he is, that's Tattoo I would want on me. Why Mickey Hans would. We've got Mickey and. I always thought the Ben's. Wasn't that bad now. That's not a tattoo I would ever want to get. But. I don't know that I can say that I would prefer. If I had to, do you WanNa talk to creeper crossed your stomach and having phoenix that has like really. Professionally colored and stuff. So no-brainer. Like a fucking mom cradling insane clown posse. This is crazy, Berman. Let's just weird yellow. Weird with the Phoenix. Wine is so cringe. Dude okay. My saw the Phoenix. One I'd be like. Wow, that's. Here's what I would think about the person. I saw the Phoenix. Tattoo, I'd be like that person is a little not. Or, but but you know whatever is not there little. Not I mean a little in the. Yeah. But then if I saw Shyla boss had to I would be like I'm scared of that person. Know that person is. Is, is probably killed somebody no way. That's what I would think. I don't think that. Do it so fucking weird. Like bizarre beyond bizarre to me, that's like a psychotic thing to have on your body. The context of it makes it much better like I said and I know. He got it for movie in his nine. He's kind of a weird guy and he's already got all over him. But if I just saw him on the beach, I'd be like this guy's. demented. This guy is totally damaged. So. Yeah, I would definitely take bands no question. And he's also got. Let's not forget. He's got a cow. Off. What's the Mickey handovers for Assholes, bellybutton below And in mound xactly. And you put that on you. Know. He's running without a shirt off. He's proud of it likes it yeah. Let's move on. I'm kind of with the little bit are thing. Like I'm going up and. I. Don't know I'm I just the Phoenix is like. Die Guy I would not rule when. is but I feel like I would prefer the guy then I. think if you're shy. At least you look a little intimidating I guess. The Tattoo looks like not kidding. You get drunk at Kaba, Wa- bow, and like it's like it never never. got past eighteen year old. In Your Look like like someone Stepdad. They just fucking. Hey, yeah. This gives me like I would never walk. On the street it's so big might didn't get it's. Like goes all the way down worse and worse the too. That's why we got here. If he wasn't wearing pants, the phoenix like. Feathers would go into was asshole. Because look how long they're maybe does we don't even know. Does. That, being said. I felt you needed every fresher to see it again. It's worse than I remember, but. Divorced stepping said. I don't know I mean. Yeah, it is. It's fucking crazy. It's so big I'm sorry, but this is like undefeatable. And Shi'as. At least I feel like. Maybe there's like some substance to the. Guy Seems Kinda interesting. Treasury this. There's no substance to this tattoo at all. Other one has a story like this about which the creeper meaning wise there. Mickey hands over your looking a little more self-aware you know, so what if his story is like Maki Hans because I like to Fuck Kid Well I don't. He also has Ben Affleck likes. The Phoenix Phoenix isn't a real creature. Bull, what does it mean that he's got Mickey Mouse hands over his crotch and it says creeper, so tell me what does that mean? I guess probably like ironic the him that it looks so bad. That's a big assumption. You, boop book. Let's move on. Here you are. Much better. At break ad break ad break everybody I've got a D citing announcement to make announcing our partnership with ribcage wallets de Futuristic Wallet that is here to step up the game and make sure that your wall game is going to the next level. 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WanNa present you guys and we cannot continue to speculate, but there's been no major news. The only news that's come out is from a friend of his nick. Merck's okay, so the first one. COMES, as somebody donated under the name Dr Disrespect. Let's watch. The clip gave him fifty bucks. Fifty from Dr Disrespect. I. Don't know if it's hit, but. Before. This is exactly how he does it. He goes. It's not the audio dot that check the records and pods barely late on a lounge chair right now I hear everything you have three tales still dripping the to tap never slipping. Twitchy escape go question mark I even tripping. I don't know. I don't know. I. Don't know if it's real or not. Although to good fake of it's fake. But. I didn't really follow what he meant by This is exactly how he does it. Akron incubating mantis that he donated before, and that sounds like him or looks like him. He needs socks donated to him before, and he does it the same way. My car, maybe A. Now in a pairs or the wave was phrasing his message not. Lola Limerick and I think he always done it fifty. As well. I think it might be publicly known though that would be pretty easy to fiqh like if people know that that's how he donates bad on. But, he could easily. Right they know charter. So that's that's what comes in the next club, but can I just check the email address donation came through, or is there like? Become maybe through third party. All that stuff on the fog knows it makes me think it is him I. Think Attempt to, but here watch. This is the same guy. Later, tell us what happened at or we will cancel you. I'll tell you two months. Tell you two months. then. That's what I know to Hans. I throw on a STUCCO. I've been I've been twisted so according to this guy. He says I know. two months that that changes my whole. Analysis frankly who to what can only be the only option that really remains as some kind of contract dispute, an NDA arbitration some kind of legal. When, she again it it all sounds like it's not that serious. Not like what people are thinking, said Ghana serious. Yeah I. Mean that really that goes against for instance that that slasher guys. You know claim that. Only know what it is, but I'm not touching this because you know he made. It sound like it's so radioactive. He could just be lying I. Guess but everybody seemed to think that that guy was credible, so it's very weird I don't know so. Can both be true like if he had me to allegation? And then they're they still I wonder they still need to figure out this contract. Most contracts that have a clause for bad behavior where they can just and sure, but I don't know if because the. Doctor disrespecting there's allegations. I would want bike that right. That's not true. You can't just drop me. You Omay if you'RE GONNA cancel my contract, you only the air. And so that makes sense to me that there. Even if there wasn't me to allegation, clearly, something happened to cause. This there's clearly a big dispute going on right now between twitter and Dr Disrespect. Explanation for the silence. There's some kind of legal negotiating going on right now, so the question is really the same as what is caused this. It could be me, too. Thing a could be. That was looking to join and other arm I. Mean it could be entertaining doesn't really change the speculation. The could figure that I. Guess I just get the feeling from the wind disguise. Reacting. That whatever doc did is not that bad because this guy doesn't seem disturb. He doesn't your. As a friend. He's a true. That's real. God I, just it's so weird. It's so weird so weird. I want they say what it is. What's the big deal? But then so let's assume that that message was real. Says twitch needs a scapegoat. If that's really what is happening. The day made an example of him and banned him having to make an example, not even say what he's banned for. Example the. Yet. His rumor has it that they were in a surreally big exclusive agreement. Like millions of dollar. I. Think the production value of that ad that they did with him. Really points to that like they really pulled out all the stops with that and they wouldn't have done that unless to them, you know it was a big investment and was awesome like I. Wash on the per bowl and be like super happy with that. Right? Of that quality. While so this resolves nothing and we learned in short. But. Actually it does suggest to a less serious crime to me. That's the feeling I get. I, Dunno right it does. It does speak to less serious crime I because it makes it seem like it's right now. It's just the legality and in two months you'll be able to hear what happened. I would be surprised if they could resolve it into. Whom on because this shit? I know mix or After. The original contract of just had a like a three-month Andy, a period enter termination of the contract. Something like that. Yeah, it'd be. Her sure could be. Okay. Type two shied. Talking about Kanye. Exciting. So in I know you're a resident Connie Superfan? So. Let me ask you in before we get into the whole kind of meat and potatoes of this. How have your feelings on Konya changed over the last couple years because when you started your like straight up superfan in. and has your your status in the community is kind of wavered to as because you've been kind of critical of him. I. Mean I guess But my opinions have changed a bit because it's becoming more. I was a fan of the music the clothes. You. Know the performances. And that's kind of taken a backseat so. You know? I don't just 'cause him. Like what's going on now, you know I I was originally here for the music and. There's not as much of that I. Don't know right now, so. But every Connie fan has to be a publicist every time he does A. Dramatic stuff scrape. You feel like you're publicist right now. I get texts from what's going on. What's up with your guy? My parents takes me what's happened. I'm like I don't know. You some good albums I don't know about this. You still spend time on the forums the forums. I mean. For a lot of other stuff i. Just. Go Online for Mia Music stuff I'm definitely Bigan. Talking to people music in general, but so okay, so your your opinions have changed a little bit Gonyea. He's he's announced. He's running for president now I know that like the the community kind of torn. People didn't really know how to react to this announcement. He tweeted out on July Fourth of all days. The independence, day we must now realize the promise of America by trusting God unifying our vision and building our future. I am running for President of the United States twenty twenty vision. Now this. Now this one obviously got a lot of media. Attention and people are very torn. On, how to feel about this now I'm wondering how did the Konya? Community you'll about this? I guess they are very torn as well, but at the same time. This is probably the fifth. Fifth or sixth time where he is indicated his intent to run for president. Which Connie fans know all those so this isn't as shocking and waste. A lot of people still think that this won't happen. Including myself I don't expect him to meet the deadline. Be. Any Sandar interviewed that he's doing it to win. Like everything else. It does right. Yeah, and he just put out a new song a week ago. you know his his level of? Promotion. Is Media attention and they album comes up. Yeah, this is a cycle you've seen before. Yes I saw. That feels to me, really shitty. Because? I don't know this election is so serious. I feel like for me and probably for everyone and to lay around with. Or, the end goal of sailing more albums. Do you see it that way in as a as a conway a spokesperson. I. Don't know if he sees it as. In those terms like tweet this and then my sales are going to go up I. Even think he made a comment like I. Put my music out on streaming I. Don't make anything of it 'cause they asked him in that. Forbes interview. But. I do think on some level. He's aware that this brand building am and. May may not be as direct as. This equals sales, right? It's like. Build it up. Build it up, mind businessman. He knows what he's done. Yeah, exactly so and he does it every time I. think he just does thing and then he uses that thing to kind of fuel energy for creative outlets afterwards. Someone made a really good comment. I think it was Charlemagne. Actually I agree with Charlemagne this case. he said. Like. Konya has announced he wants to run for president a bunch of times as you pointed out. Why is it now that the media's making turning this into? into a serious thing like he said this so times before, and nobody took him seriously, but now all the sudden in two thousand twenty in this huge election that so important. Why is the media reporting like? It's a serious thing. You. That's a good insider not. Yeah, I think I think that the way that they're framing. This whole thing is like a just kind of a manic episode is a little disingenuous and I think a bit of A. Bad faith attack on him because he has been saying this stuff for for awhile. I don't think it's like. Oh He's just he doesn't know what he's saying. He's talking and he's not aware because he's having a bipolar episode. I think that's a little bit of a cop out. Really you think he's. He really intends to run for president. I, think he. I think he does yes I. Don't think he. Will but I think he wants to. But he wants to do like. Two hundred different things at once that's how he is. He tweeted out last week. I remember that tweet. He put out of all the little the partnership with the gap. And then Dr Dre album, and then tune series with Takashi Murakami and then a single and like maybe. Seventy. Five percent of it actually came out. He does that all the time and then we will never hear about it again. And I. Don't think it's because he doesn't want to do those things, I think he just spreads himself so thin, and then just picks and chooses, and then things get lost. I think this will be one of those things the president. The truth is though as dance pointed out. Is that he so late? He's not on the ballot on the biggest states already, and even if he will, he still hasn't filed any kind of paperwork to show that he has any kind of serious intent to run another states. He hasn't missed the deadline on, so it seems like it's definitely not going to happen and I. Find It strange that so many people are taking this seriously I see! See like especially like very serious conversations about how conyers going to siphon votes off. Joe Biden and he's helping out trump, but to me. It doesn't seem like like I'm just surprised that so many people are taking this seriously. When he has not made even the slightest effort to actually get on the ballot. Well, he makes it sound like it did I don't know what. I I haven't followed him before or any of this stuff so I don't know what it sounded like before when you talk about presidency. But. Just in that interview. He makes it sound like he's serious about it. I don't know prior to this as well is Is He kept saying twenty twenty four. That was thing, and then it seems like he pulled back on that for some reason I i. don't think he's going to run right now, but I do think maybe this is him. Testing the waters, getting the information for how he would have to do it properly next time then. I could legitimately see him doing it for years from now. But I think. Maybe answer. Your question is that there are public filing. You have to make an order to get on the ballot, right? Right, well, she has not done. So! On the ballot. Though. So that's kind of the problem. That's why that's why I don't really see it as a serious thing, but Ian if you ran a four years. Would you consider voting for him? No. No, what so, so, why is that why when you vote for? Your. Idol doesn't align with my ideals is voter. The vote for him would be A. Disingenuous to myself think. Well Let me. Read you some of his platform. And then you can tell me which parts you you may be agree with. Don't agree with. His family says he's in the midst of bipolar episode. which we you touched on. Here are some of his platform beliefs? On vaccines, he says. It's so many of our children that are being vaccinated in paralyzed so when they say the way they're gonNA. Fix Cove. It is with a vaccine. I'm extremely cautious. That's the mark of the beast. They. Want to put chips inside of us. They want to do all kinds of things to make it where we can't cross the gates of Heaven. I'm sorry when I say they the humans that have the devil inside them, and the sad thing is that the saddest thing is that we all won't make it to heaven that they'll be some of us that. Do not make it next question. On his vaccine seen. I just loved the next question. On of definitely thoroughly answered that did he started with vaccines paralyzed. Our kids to you get vaccines. You can't go to heaven. Right now they're printing chips will. I mean. Quite on board with that as you mentioned earlier. The. The, Reluctance towards a vaccine vaccines is becoming so widespread. Area interesting yeah. We saw we we. We were looking at A. Poll that said that F A vaccine became available against corona virus. Only fifty percent of people said they would get it. And you need ninety percent at least for it to be effective. on abortion. He says I am pro-life, because I am following the word of the Bible. Has He always been religious, or is this a new name? Yet, but he I think he started self. Describing is born again. Probably at the beginning of last year like January of last year, maybe a little earlier. So that's the other thing where people say oh. He's just these comments are coming because he's in some episode. No, this is. A couple of these things are linked to to his new faith. And Not Coming out of an episode, he's been talking in these ways for awhile now. Being pro-life is obviously no surprise. A lot of people are pro-life. Joe Biden a lot of people just like local parties. They feel all blacks have to be Democrats. That man Joe. Biden said if you don't for me, don't vote for me then. You are not blocked as true. He did say that. well act like we didn't. We all act like would in here that we act like. We didn't hear that man say that that man said that it's a rap. We're GONNA walk all the People Jay Z. said it best for the other candidate just gracefully suggest y'all bow out trump biden bow out. It's God's country. We're doing everything and service of God nobody but God. No more I'm in service of our Lord and Savior Jesus grows. I put everything I got on the line to serve God thoughts. That's his. That's what he thinks about Joe Biden. WHO, there's not much to say about it. So I think I think people are taking it seriously. It's not really serious. Do you think he's having a manic episode right now or? Me and I. Don't know it's it's. It's so hard to play that game yeah. Could you possibly know I? Just see articles saying like people like his family. Just say don know like how. To react to this stuff like I, also had some. This thing seriously or am I supposed to be worried for him like I. Just don't understand. There's a bit of mixed like for example this coming from the article from Forbes which I feel like the presentation is a little. I don't know. Little. Skeptical of how they're presenting this because they said this is all taken from a four hour recorded conversation. And they took out these bits which totaled to about forty five seconds right of talking what happened the other three hours and fifty nine minutes. Why just these? They haven't given us the full cut? They released these little. Audio pieces about yesterday the day before. where he free styled a little bit during the call, but they're kind of hiding in the way, and then it's like presenting it like they want you think of the students losing his mind, but then also reporting on it as if he's a serious candidate. I don't know these. Views without I. Had that same feeling because they said we sat down with four hours, but the article does not say that it's like where is all of this content and substance in a four hour interview? Would you sit there quietly for three and a half hours I don't get it. I mean the interviewer probably did while he rambled for four hours. Surely, there's more to say than that. Definitely mixed. Mixed messages there. Some any also made a really good point that they don't. The interviewer never asks him about his mental. How? The yet he continues apply that he's mentally unwell, but he never outright to ask, are you? Are you having a manic episode, right? I'm all I'm very confused by all of this I. Really don't know what to make it. Make of it I really just kind of. I hope he's doing okay I, hope he. Doesn't run for president. And It's kind of. Really. Do you have a statement? You want to make about Rapper Jordan Grog. Oh Yeah. I put that in. There is a little thing I wanted to say at the end. Go ahead. I just. Last week, this rap or passed away named Jordan Grog, he was thirty two He's in this group called Injury Reserve. Not. Super Big and I didn't really see that many people talking about it and I really I'm big fan of the sky so. I just kind of wanted to say rest in peace to Jordan and. He's super talented. Is An album called floss? That I've listened to a bunch of Times I. Suggest people want to check out if they want to and. He has a wife and four kids, and there's a go fund me. If you guys are interested, so just won't say that Recipe's Jordan Greg's I. Didn't I didn't pass? They haven't revealed that not sure some medical thing. They're keeping private. I don't know but. Yet kind of came out of nowhere last week. That's rough, yeah or kid. Yeah pretty heavy. They were, they were really kind of building up a fanbase to really a trio. Rap Trio, so. Unless I'm glad I'm glad you are. Holding vigil for him again. Just one one say that so and anyways. Okay. This is our final part of the podcast and as you know I like to talk about my. My friend, my helper, my best friend in star. Oh, yes, stars of the show now! Here's what I like to do with Kim Star. Some people are tired of me talking about him. Some people get an on. Dan Dan and doesn't like talk, but you're not. You're certainly not alone in that. Talked about him a lot I'm I'm big. I mean whatever Ke-. We should talk about this that you're about to bring up. 'cause it. Once again curry. Here's my philosophy. Is that obviously you could really nitpick Kim started daily basis with the amount of dumb shit or hurtful toxic shit he does. But. But then their stuff that he does that like. I feel like. He should really be held accountable for. And with Kim Stars at nobody. Wants to talk about him because it's just not worth getting into it with Kim Star. Here's the enviable position that we find ourselves in. Is that Kim? Star has blocked us all on twitter. Desperation. He has nothing left to say. He has nothing left on earth he is. Twitter. Everything. Preemptively blocked. The podcast never tweets him by the way. Never Interact advil. And so like. Frankly I totally understand other youtubers not wanting to bring up game start because he'll just illiterate, go on a show and why? About you and fucking ruin you. So, so that's a force to be reckoned with right so here. I want to talk about what he did recently we. We touched briefly on this. In Our last episode. A twitch streamer named wreck full. Tragically. Passed on. And whenever this happens! We just Mak- real quick reference. 'cause we talked about it last week, and none of us had realized a fan pointed out in the comments that we actually had like A. Weird little brush with him several years ago where he was doing an IRA L. Stream while he was visiting a Barcelona Spain and ran into your parents. So Remember I. Will remember that we watched it on the show him. Yeah, I had no idea was him I, told her happening and I remember even commenting like all the. He was so nice and sweet like respectful Nice. My parents yeah Yeah I learned that after that was a really cool moment. That, holy to me, forgot that that was him. So so. He. He tragically took his own life. And whenever this happens in the community, it's cause for a lot of reflection and thought people were on twitter. Saying you know, let's. We need to all be nicer to each other. When you all be more considerate of mental illness needs to be more on like we have to be careful about the toxicology amount the amount of toxicity in these communities because it really. Hurts people right. Well Came started immediately. Immediately. Starts Attacking Leonardy. WHO said that she was suicidal on her stream. and. He like here's the here's the clip. She's reacting directly passing of now A. If you don't know, yeah, we should just do a little bit of a She she gets. She has a bad rap. Okay a long time ago. She liked dmca one felix videos, and so she she got shit from Felix and his fans. And then she also like was drunk onstream one night and let her cat have a of vodka and the cat freaked out. And then another time she like. I I don't even WanNa. Really criticize her for this one. But people gave shit throwing her cat and to me. I watched that video. It didn't really seem like a big deal. She had the cat when was mild. That one wasn't Obama. Cats are super nimble anyway. It wasn't really like she wasn't really a mean. Throw. It was more like you know one of these and cats. She. She obviously loves her animal. So that's not really a question. But she gets a bad reputation and a lot of people dislike on twitch. But. But to me what I noticed when the whole dock sang was happening. and doc was trending number one. To get a win him. A winning two was trending, and it's like dot immediately just looked wrong to me. Like the level of. Divall you of people that were talking about her when she actually had nothing to do with it. Will. Give you a glimpse to what she gets. The angle was that Oh, dockets ban before Leonardy. Even knows happen to dock rights as kind of a weird. No one even knows what happened to him. And whatever happened when her blamed twitch. Then you have a problem with their decision, so keep wiser twitch trending. Why are you not talking about them? You're talking about a person. Yeah totally. I mean came star in kind of started this rumor. That she sleeps with which staff members. and. That's why she gets preferential treatment. There's no evidence is a horrible lie to say about her. Yeah, and it really chauvinist. It's totally chauvinistic and totally. Totally plays into this kind of You know this whole narrative that 'cause there's this. There's a strong amount of hate I think the females in general get on twitch because I think a lot of guys should be like you got your diesel, and you got all these subs in viewers, and you're taking viewers away from real good streamers or whatever because? I think that's just the culture of twitter. So keep starts playing into this by making this this This fake story that she's sleeping with twitch staff. What she's repeatedly said. There's no evidence and it's just not true now. So! I. Think what you said is is a really good point. The fact that she was immediately trending with doctors district because anytime, anyone gets punished on twitch. It's always like a Leonardy does, but this happen. And it's like she really is. She gets when I saw that I was like dude. You guys need to fucking. Leave this this poor girl alone at his wife. It doesn't I don't see here. A person that like an hasn't changed is mistreating the cat everytime there in stream or you know. Nothing that will deserve them out. Oh, Hey, that she's getting right now. She also did this happen. Recent I totally forgot where she actually showed her tit. Okara and People were like L. Banner like she was dancing, and she lifted up her over and her. Tick out like for second. Totally accidental, but like nudity Strictly prohibited, so it was like battle at. She's fucking. got a banner. She showed her. and. I think they did suspend or something I. Don't remember but. People hate her guts and Doug mistake again. Yeah, it was a mistake. But I mean twitches pretty hard core about even accidental nudity, so they suspended her. Did suspended for that there you go. But. There's a double center I. Don't know I'm not I'm not really into. That might not into the whole. Thing too much, either I'm just saying from a from my point of view, watching it from the side I can tell very clearly that there was something wrong happening here. Towards her right there, right? That's right and so anyway. She she in response to what's going on with with what happened to wreck full made a video speaking up about you know basically heard amount of harassment she can. T has continued to get for years. I just WanNa talk to you guys about something. And I think like. I promised to myself. Throughout everything that's happened. That, I would never appear weak. Then I would. Always stay strong. In NACHO PEOPLE Much, through words hurt me. But I can do that anymore. because. You need to know. That you guys do? You. Guys say really affect people. Okay Like. You guys have no idea. How many times I wanted to kill myself. So. Many Times. I've spent. My entire night, trying to figure out. How are we gonNA in my life? I just want you guys to know? I just want you guys to know that it's really serious. that. You guys can just like. Send cords over hate towards somebody without having an effect on a person, okay. I. Might be able to cope with it. or I might just be really weak and not be able to. Go through with the things that I've wanted to do in the past, but. Sometimes I feel. Like. I would rather be. In jail then. have to deal with so many people saying so many things. I think in her. Case is just like the. It's like it's okay to make a mistake criticize, but it's like people do not ever let it go. And as someone WHO's gotten? As much shit as anybody on the Internet I can say there were times when it felt like. There's no other explanation for the amount of and the intensity of the hate that I'm getting other than the fact I feel like they want me to die. They want me to kill myself. Now I was never suicidal, but like like like it just feel so bad, and I, and I really felt like they want me's fucking. Kill myself no explanation for this relentless. Just it is relentless though she's getting it bad really bad. So anyway came. Star sees this now. This is this is when everybody is like comb by, and everyone's like. You know what let's take a step back. Let's think about what we're doing now came. Star sees this video and his immediate response. is to start calling her a liar that she's fake crying. Let me read tweets. This is immediately right after the sky committed suicide. He says Dr Disrespect trending with. Then of course he tags her. Because that's that's his thing. He needs to harass them directly. You truly get satisfaction from knowing that he's tormenting her. She knows that she's not in a position of the battle hymn. She says der. Linde, are you the reason? Dr Disrespect is banned asking for a front once. That is just so mean spirited. And that's it. There is no reason for that tweet other than to just. Ruined her day especially to tag her. Right, there is unlike even A. There is no excuse. It's just evil. He Star says. What Ninja allegedly got into a fight on twitter apparently, and they all felt bad in a race, their tweets apologized each other which I thought was cool keeps responded to Asia Ninja said I kept looking back at the tweet and saying I wouldn't have sent that I wasn't a little tilted I apologize, and then he tagged your Leonardy, and it keeps. The respondents said why she threw her cat fed. Akiva, and the reason why people still bring it up is because we love pets. She was never punished by twitch. Because of those two things, you can't let it go. Look when you have a list of like dude. One thousand the totality of Shit. Is fucking measurable. Throw her cat and fed vodka like dude, those are forgivable things that is really knowledge as apologize for it already dude you fucking falsely accused Tony of being a pedophile twice and still have never apologize for the second time I mean. You're a piece of shit bro Elicit are bitch. So then if we go back, let's see. He says someone said after streamer was bullied by the community to the point where he killed himself. You not think that then less than a day later you could stop for a while with the constant abuse thrown around. Yes, she was never punished because they investigated it. Someone sat and he responded. Quote tweeted it and said. Do you think it's any coincidence that allegedly started crying onstream about being bullied yesterday? Yeah. Maybe she was upset. Like. That NS rating the it's almost like the perfect timing right after a tragedy, some may say straight up manipulation. Excuse me sounds like you're telling us how your brain is. among no game start. This is how people with emotions react to someone. Killing themselves to the fact. She's crying about being bowling the day after somebody killed themselves and she she if she's not allowed to cry unless she's manipulating people. How `Bout you just shut the fuck up for one day. Bro, and by the way this tweet has ten thousand lakes, so like isn just him screaming to avoid. He stirring up a lot of shit for her. When she's trying to move past this right, he's he's. He's seen the video any anything I'M NOT GONNA. Let you move passes. I'm going to everything my power. She said I've been suicidal and came stores. Response to that is going to do everything power essentially like I'm reading between the lines here and I'm not sure Kim Stars this conscious of what he's doing. What he's doing is saying I want I. WanNa Push You more towards that. while. You're not understanding. That is doing that. That is what he's doing. She says I've been suicidal from the harassment and keep star says I'm more I want I want to keep pushing you towards that. That's the act I don't know what his motivations, but asked his what his action is doing. The spots so I mean what the fuck do I mean. This guy is sick. My knees does my point about star. He's dangerous dangerous. Just and this is after by the way all the shit. He caught and the whole dial around Ebtekar. Right I for the longest time for the longest time I used to just just try to stay out of it because following him in the drama division. It's endless. It's every week there is someone else is always in a fight with some others always something going on. You can't even follow it without going crazy. But I feel like I'm at the point where I've changed my mind and I feel like there is a responsibility on everyone to call it out when he's doing this stuff. Because yes, Edeka happened. No one is saying Kim Start Killed Edeka, but he was involved in the in a really really bad situation he was involved in. And now rectal died in a really bad situation, and everyone is I feel like I can't just sit and just watch him do this to people. Yeah, I just can't and I don't care. What I limited did okay, so she did too bad. Thanks to her cat. That are really like it's mistake. She moved on. She apologized she can grow up and do it again. Like let's put it in perspective solely. I I kind of I like a massive disappointment with the community to be honest, because nobody will touch it, but it's actually so fucked up endangers what he's done. Yeah, like nobody will touch this. Nobody will fucking touch this. You know everybody when I made a video about came star. Every commentary channel was so quick and fast to me about I can't believe Ethan. Called out G fuel. Mon Kim starts pushing a Leonardy. When he's pushing a person who said she's been suicidal and he's continuing to harass her in response to that, nobody is willing to speak up about that I find the whole thing just disturbing. Frankly he goes on. He keeps swimming, but he says twitch community reminds me of a Colt don't really think of any of these individual people have individual thoughts or opinions because he was getting shit or what he was saying about. They just of seemed like robots that all follow follow the same people bowling a linearly now. Want to bully anyone that don't forgive her. Oh so you're not one of them. People Bowling Lindy. Right I'm so shocked. The King Star sees a group of people as not human and having no emotions right. He says I've lost so much respect for these streamers very low I. Q people ask. Anyway, so Eleni responds and really just kind of the most. Sincere way possible. I can't look at it because she made her tweets private because she's getting harassed so much. That's crazy. She made her twitter private. Hang on I gotta go to my own twitter. We follow each other. That's crazy. That shit is a private. I wonder wonder who out. I wish I. Did you pulled up? 'cause I'm logged into my twitter. So she just quote, tweeted his his tweet about him, saying. That the. She's fake crying and she said please fucking stop I can't do this anymore. And a lot of people rallied behind her a lot of support or tweet, Fifty, seven, thousand, nine, two thousand retweets, and a lot of people were were showing support you know. And he, of course, he didn't even race the tweets. There's no up. You know. He didn't apologize he. He didn't really back down at all is response. was that everybody's Low Iq? she actually even deemed me. People Start asking me questions about how to deal with Kim Star. I'm like dude. Don't understand. There's no fucking way to deal Kim Star. She's like how do I get him to stop to leave me alone? Home said. How do I get him to leave me alone? This happened just a few days ago. I asked her. I asked her if I could share the content of this conversation, she said yes was like look ultimately. That's how that's like starting. Really any legal thing you can do and. Mean as you can make a video and defend yourself. That's ultimately what I had to do, but then she goes like I I just I don't have the energy I. Don't have I think that I don't have the will to to take on that battle, and that's why we were for a long time to until we decided to make those videos had to. They put me in a corner. Yeah, like the amount of Shit and fucking lies and bullshit. That was being said about me. I literally was fight, fight or die. And he put me in that corner. And so. And so she she doesn't feel that she's optimum like. Challenging Him and I don't blame her. All I mean it's A. It's a shit show. She just wants to be left alone. So I, told her honestly I i. really don't have a good solution for you. You just got to address it or ignore is is really know there. You'll nothing else you can say or do. All and then there's this other thing that came stars in doing so he was sending pictures of horses to meet. Make yellow for a long time until Until. We call them out for it so much that he stopped. I think also no one cared about this. Will. He never blocked Eli until recently. Right right right. But. The responses were so confused. Spill over. Just like what are you even on? Even his followers get he just like he was saying. Well he's so. There's this Guy Starke Hilla. On Youtube who is a supporter of ours. He made a video defending me on go. Canarios video like you know years ago when it first happened and so like. He's known to be a fan of ours, and he doesn't like him star, but he's a very small channel he had. He has time like fifteen hundred followers on twitter and Kim Star. goes out of his way. This account with fifteen hundred followers. And he starts tweeting pictures of the wicked witch. Directly to him. Presumably to make fun of the way, his wife looks now the reason he's bringing up the wicked witch thing because star Tila told me that when they were onstream. His wife joked that she looked like a witch that day before. And so he starts tweeting pictures of witches to Stark Hill an account with fifteen hundred once again to start making fun of his wife's appearance. Now I ask sledding for clearly has an issue with women's so insane. What is his problem with women? I found the fact that he went after to her so disturbing because I in my mind, I was like at least like when he goes after me I've also talked about him. and I will also like more involved in the topic, but. Why you're going after this guy why? Do find a weird to like. He attacks you and her. You're both to objectively beautiful women to try to call. Yes, she's very beautiful so stupid. So, anyway, he continues to do it for like I mean he did for days, dude, he did it for like a week straight and then you want to know how petty he is, he would. You would send a tweet of the which to him and then immediately block him, so he couldn't respond. The next day who would unblock him? Send the picture the witch and then block him immediately so he couldn't respond. This guy is spending this much time to harass a dude. With fifteen hundred followers His crime was simply being a fan wars. Not just not I mean he's criticized. Start to. Here's a picture of the wicked witch again, tweeting Allison Wonderland, the witch. Munchkins. People are like dude. You're like fucking. Too. just get super weird, so ill decided to clap the fuck back and dunk on the motherfucker. And I think the Kim. Sir Really does embody the true definition of a bitch. As ILA points out she says. Do you WanNa know what a bitches be weaned Kim Star with two point, eight million followers I is mach is tweeting at Star Kilo with fifteen hundred followers, t to mock his wife's looks. See comparing her to a witch H, ha, Ha, if got to likes. Got To rock in life. Thanks Jen I, took the Kim Star approach dedicated to him. I learned it from what he was doing to start. I on blocked him twitter out him, and then I blocked him again. And then in returning blocked me. Within like two two seconds seconds. Count. And that was great. I love it. Of, this was funny. Someone picked showed a picture of Kim Star with Jeffrey Epstein. Is this as I hold on, let me report it and find out afterwards. Yeah. So ill dunked on came star. Ever apologize. Never. Anything just started blocking people. Again it's just the guys. I mean look. This is why I. Keep talking about him that that should all just like stupid. Petty Crap But the SOFA battle is deeply disturbing. There's every week something disturbing like just a week ago. It was making really awful comments about someone's sexual assault story on twitter and. The girl that she made like one of those long tweets and he basically Was Stuck in about it in a tweet without saying her name as if that matters like I found it in two seconds That basically he's super upset because. If the girl doesn't say `no, then how am I supposed to know that I a assaulting? Her is his his point because she froze in the moment in her story, she didn't. Share their explicitly say no, but she in her stories laying there crying. I recall her story is long to and he's. The one that he said that he didn't read the whole thing he stopped. He was like Oh. She the whole story has a lot more to it. She doesn't stay at the end. Look this guy right me. Let's cancel. Him is her friend. It's a little more complicated than that. He never said he raped her. If. She's crying while I'm having sex with their. That's not now. Those are tears of joy. Tears are generally you should pause and see what's up if you see. I don't know I I. would be crying. Kim Star was having sex with me. I'd find a way to live my buddy. Poor anyway anyway. I keep stars a dangerous man. I don't think he is a toxic. He is in questionable stain on this community, and he will continue to be dangerous stains incapable of changing, and it's only a matter of time before he does something so or ably inconceivable like that will all wonder why we allowed it to go on for so long? That's that's mess. My opinion and I think he's a ticking time bomb. It's just a matter of time before another Tony another Edeka another. Whatever this this this happens, though go, it is Kim starts fault ours. Doing this eight is a pattern of events. This isn't you know what I mean? He is actually willing to push people to the limits of their tolerant currently are limited, currently lady. So anyway. That's Kim Star for you baby. Everybody gets excited for team star Good Luck Ethan, 'cause you're gonNA fucking need it. Why what did I do h? Three H street is fucking innocent. Oh thank you. You're a fucking hypocrite. Which is it in my? Incident Lucky thin because you're gonNA fuck a need. Remember when he ended his video about me with a literal threat. Garbage garbage that sound bite. I don't. You'RE A fucking hippies? Bit is you're GonNa. This is what Hell's sounds like. Are. In need? Anyway guys all the show we have today. I like to leave you on a taste of Kim, Star. We should have a segment name for our Kim Star wants a taste of Kim Star. I wasn't drawing. Condom comes. Star thought that was funny. But it doesn't really happening now. It's not that good. It doesn't have a deeper meaning she'd star should star Shit stain. I like come star. Have you seen these come tributes that people do of course? I, have should so who has. These guys I. Remember talking with them, and they said they haven't seen it. You guys saw the tributes came star. I think I've still managed to avoid that. You may have not been. Time. Of, the contact caught. I saw a couple of days ago. Hundred Lines. In so wrong. How could anyone bust on that photo dude? I feel like I would have to like. Cut My of somehow I've managed to escape that I did like a week ago for the first time, see the infamous some lease asshole picture. A leafy tweeted it out. He did what Oh gross fucking. I guess he's trying to own. You know what I mean. Cool okay. But owner. But. It's just shocking to see. Real. It's so graphic. It's like he's his Aso's gaping open like. Yeah it was worse than like it had been described to me. I mean it's an looking. It's like a dude holding his ass. Halt Open for you and you can see us nuts in his dick flopping down and he's. He's opening his asshole free to look at. That's what it is us the photo. So who? Are. There it is yeah heels looking at it right now. It's fucking horror thick I mean. Iraq see that as a it was, it was quite It looked quite inflamed or like a Nunan. Flames looks like read it it it. It does not look roads happy. No that that's an asshole someone who gets pounded. That's what it looks like to me. Maybe. I don't know. But I gone years without saying that somehow but somebody. Something got me with it. Got Me. Anyway I mean it's. It's I think it's great that he's tweeting it out and he's owning. Nothing wrong with taking nudes. And for the record fame on whoever leaked Assen that's not. I mean that's a I've I've taken pictures of my assholes. I wouldn't want that to be leaked. Last place I want to see in his astles scale. You wouldn't realize my ass was like. There at the crack. You stop being able to see any details because there's just a lot of hair. Right. But you said that nobody wants to see that because it's Harry. I feel like in a way. That's almost better because at least. You're not you don't want. Out The hair is better than just the straight. Yeah Okay Yeah, because the way he presents himself like he doesn't leave anything imagination. It's just everything's out. There wrote is wild and Gig co-. It's crazy. Can, we stop describing. Up just you just pulled up a photo. Why did you do that because you said he tweeted out, I was curious. Curious how you've ever seen before you had seen it before. I wasn't sure but I was curious about the tweet. He said who uploaded a picture of Lee fees knows. It had a noticeably less engagement than other tweets. I will say. Shocking. Well. That's really all there is to it I mean You know. It's Friday my dudes. help is almost over. There's about fifteen days left. Where we'll have given out one hundred billion dollars. while. Crazy Jeff, bezos could give out one hundred billion. I said that like hyperbolic like nobody can give them might. Jeff bezos could give out a hundred billion dollars. Dip below the hundred Mark Danny. No, Jeff is actually his wealth is way. He's at one eighty now. From the pandemic. The pandemic has I think he's made like thirty billion dollars since the pandemic started. Excuse me Ethan. Not all of that is in liquid assets Obviously you don't know how billionaires operate s true. It's probably all stock. Is Probably Ninety percent stock. But I mean you know. Still he's probably he's earning like crazy dividends. A lot of us thought Jetta. Companies getting dividends every time they pay out. It's gotta be crazy. Hundred Eighty billion. y'All. A that's a lot of to play Kirkman to. HOW MUCH KIRKLAND TO PLAY! Can you buy with hundred and eighty billion a lot of Kirkland to play? There's a lot of. Man Kirkland Duplex. Speaking of two ply and just our last episode, just a quick note you know I was. Pushing back pretty hard on the whole Napoleon swam back to your discussion, you know I thought that was that was pretty far fetched, but at a very insightful commenter on the last episode did point out he pulled it up on. Google maps and there is a series of small islands between Elba and mainland Europe that means that the furthest you would have to swim at a time is about four miles, which is reasonable so I'm trying to say is I think I'm convinced I think Napoleon's went back here. Yeah, you got me and have you found any literature any literature at all the support that? NO NOTHING! I believe, but you know what they're. They're keeping the wool over our eyes man. They don't want us to know he swapping so here's Kirkland to apply. Take Kirkland to ply write this down. Thirty roles is twenty dollars. One of my writing down for so hang on thirty roles is twenty dollars deal so if you have one hundred eighty billion. Nine divided by twenty nine billion so. You could buy thirty lot of Kirkland to play. Yeah. You could hang on his right. You could buy ended up to multiply by thirty, so it's a nine billion. Right so. Packs hold on really two hundred seventy billion holes toilet day. How? 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#TSP098 - Mark Strong

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1:10:06 hr | 2 years ago

#TSP098 - Mark Strong

"Hello how you doing. I'm Craig Parkinson. You listen to the to shop podcasts at yourself down public. How we'RE GONNA marry sell child this week? I'm going to tell you right now. the Devillier is Thursday. He know it. It's the podcast and is episode ninety eight of the to show podcast. We are flying through them now. Just before we get to this episode I WanNa knit back to last week's episode because let's face it. It was an incredible incredible conversation with lenses. I and the response was unbelievable Olov. You very moved by obviously and a few people saying that favor episode yet so thank you so what if you haven't listened to last week's episode ninety seven I urge you to go back. Listen to it. I did have a few misty saying Craig halfway through it. Let's just had to stop it. Was it was affecting me. I want to go back and listen to it. That's fine just go back because yes some of it as hard to listen to so of his quite brutal but it's all true who is to one journey. Someone's life. It's someone's name and someone's childhood that was taken from they took that from him but at the end of the episode of think there is sunshine there is positively so do this and to spread the word and if you can go by limbs book and read that it's it's an incredible incredible Rita. I've been looking to read it twice yes but I did before I I spoke lamb and I'm really thankful are dead. Although I did get me quite angry as as you may have heard from last week's podcast but onto this week's podcast now so how things if things are oh great and the moment just just put it to the side but any any worries and questions and concerns put into the side but you face up Keranovic faster on the treadmill close your eyes on the commute because this is your time now is your podcast. I just made us about yourself or other less. Make this about the life of Mark Strong because I was lucky enough to sit down with mark for this episode now you we know mark. Strong is amazing. You'll have sent him certainly over the last few years in some absolutely massive blockbuster films he's been kick-ass. He'd has been inches Zam. I first encountered mark. There's very inspiring for me growing up watching mark in this and it was a show called offerings in the north which we taught John in the episode it is it's a landmark television. He goes through history of television. The last twenty thirty years offerings North will come up. No one really seen anything like it turns out you know with Mark and Daniel Craig and Christopher Eccleston John Gina McKee film. They didn't really know what their land themselves in for which your hair on the podcast this week so I think we should get down to it so I went to me Mark in London Swanky Club. He thought we were GONNA be bit. His point he's going to be downstairs Maison Bertaux. I send somebody else that sell this main four so we sat down and we had a a good hour adding a bit longer talking with Mark and you know we've sent him on stage and on television on film but this podcast as we know we can we out is about the human journey in about who the person is and we really get to know who mark is. He is so lovely and we already know. He's a brilliant actor but I'm sure you'll hear from this Iot now because I've been looking to work with mark he is one of the loveliest man who's had lobster nervous. I know he's one of the loveliest his blocks so do we need to do unless get towns where this is episode ninety eight of the to shop podcast with the phenomenal mark strong enjoy seeing a bit used to play in the in the game that I play in on a Monday and Friday morning. I was GONNA say it's not under one roof We we played ten o'clock on Monday Friday morning. We say it's a it's a basically a game for people gaup Ajab goals but he's such a privilege now get to work on the tube and everybody's suited up tired briefcases as you know laptops going to work in my football kit yeah on a Monday morning and Friday morning and I can't help thinking yeah you know you gotta go to work but I'm GONNA play. Football is is amazing when those things happen wherever you're doing. If you're so everybody else who's going one way so to speak and yogurt another way and you have to check yourself go. This is a privilege as a privilege all the fact that you got my after go away I for three months but now of course solid six weeks at home. The family and I can put all that time and everybody else is doing that nine to five you go. Do you make a choice about whether you're going to we'll sometimes the choices taken can roy off your hand Roy. I if it was a lot I know a lot of people who go well I'm going to. La and I've gotTa do this in America my wife eight months of the year I would find that really really difficult because certainly when children are growing up at certain ages on any age really if you're GONNA and why for the majority of the year you can't get those times bacchus by the home really conscious of that is my boys are grown up and realized I I went away quite lot when they were when they were younger toddlers and I kind of console myself with the knowledge now that they're teenagers then they don't really that are not really aware that it really need you but when they get teenager started making your choices about life so now friendships and you know the concept of trust trust and love and betrayal yeah. That's what they need you so. Do you make a conscious effort now. Not Do certain things I do. I I mean we we we shot temple and it was a big six month job in pretty much since I've tried to be available to them because I was away for so long I mean even though it wasn't abroad I was filming nearly every day and just before that I'd been in Toronto doing his arm for four or five months I mean I got backwards and forwards a couple of time but even so so did they got to come out those world and they did but it's a I think I think there's a checklist isn't there of I finally have a checklist of things to do with each job. One of them is location. One is character director. One is story. One is pay the you know those kind of five elements depending on how many of them are ticked often seem to make the choice for me but I have say locations no become the biggest thing has to get to that point in your life. Where Ya we love what we do but it isn't a bail end all year? Thank thank God yes. There's bigger things. Do you think do you think your attitude to the business changes or do you think so so getting older and realizing that in your mind or do we get work that enables us to be able to make that choice. I think a bit of both I think about both but certainly if you're asking me as my eyes she checked my attitude has changed dramatically certainly yeah I think that's been facilitated with by the work that I've been looking to do. Do you know what I mean. I feel like when I started out I was so terrified into believing which is not untrue that it's incredibly difficult to to have a career. Yes industry industry almost drummed enti. Yes you lead drums absolutely vibrating with fear that you're never going to work and even if you do work. You're never GONNA get another job job and so for years and years I just I just felt okay. Keep working. That's the thing take the next job the next job I mean unless it was something I really didn't want to do. Just keep going keep keep going and that's changed. I think no much more choosy and if there is some downtime can accommodate it and it's fine at an panic about it yes I think mentally Kellyanne Conway Chase probably just getting older and also these days I think the jobs I do tend to pay more than the ones I used to do. So actually the bills Falungong and also you can afford that time I'm off than here exactly but I think I was talking to somebody the other day about the power of saying no to a job because I know fafsa Raffi people certainly when I started out twenty years ago they would do exactly what you said. GotTa keep working going say yes yes yes and the ended up burning in an hour and they ended up being ready unhappy look they took toward personally. I've only done nothing this about me much drunk. It sounded I'm going to somehow get back to you. Harry Sneak I've only been I think I've only been unhappy on two jobs right in twenty years which is pre yeah. I've never really been on. ESPN job. I mean time may just drag and that can be a bit depressing on shirt Zam as fantastic as the movie is making those kind of big superhero movies is incredibly tedious because pretty much my talking scenes. If you like we're out of the way in a few weeks and then I had to spend about five weeks in a Blue Warehouse Roth and green screen it was blue screen harness in midair spinning fighting punching looking me you know what I mean virtually no dialogue and it close it was really tough and then I lost my cool a little bit. I didn't shout it and he just suddenly realized I wasn't having a good time. There's a good time you find it harder with something so specific that when there is no dialogue because I was doing a big thing you've we've got one line in a full-page sanitized tremendously hard work here heap going yeah yeah 'cause it's in your mind. Isn't it yeah yeah that was ice. I believe yeah so. We'll see what you've got the Puck I say the wrong thing also fun of conversely I can honestly say. I don't think I've ever regretted a job. I've turned down now. You know I've never said no to something and then go and be amazing and think Oh God I wish I done. It's funny as an in the moment when you're trying to make decision about work. It's it's literally only thing you can see like the sun in your front of your face obliterates every other anything should I should is it the right thing at the wrong thing are doing it for the might reasons. All of those things come up and then if I turned something down. You should never even think about it again and I. I've always thought retrospectively. Why did I recognized so much over that? Was it really such huge. Choice is not but we do tend. I think we do tend to over question sometimes and but I think if you go with you got first thing personnel ever lies dot com yeah I go instinct about turning something down or even accepting something also in life. I think if you are really concentrating on the decision you gotTa make once you make that decision you call retrospectively changed that you know if I choose to do something at the in the moment that I made that choice on making the right choice because I thought about it so with D. regret things. Do you ever regret things you'll regret later. Do you think about that not really oh. I don't know why in my villa moving forward all the times in life terrible memory because I don't really store things I don't I don't you know terrible for faces and names and also things is that I did and I think it's because I'm always moving forward. I'm always looking ahead and I'm the kind of person who tries to avoid problems coming up and think how I can avoid those things rav worry about what's gone absolutely positive things. It can be a burden though because you in control trolling in that way that I need to know what we're doing my wife resolve whenever we get in the car she she has a very cavalier attitude to time and directions in a car. Yeah I mean she's on time for every meeting because that's a job and she's Belinda but again ca-car and I'm doing the driving and she knows where we're going. She'll be quite spas with information and I'm like look. Just tell me into roads time. WE'RE GONNA turn right but she won't don't do that. She'll wait until we nearly got right here and I've actually said that's really difficult for me to cope with because I need to know in advance. What's coming up? Then makes a difference also running for the plane unless we're literally running a plane because we've timed it brilliantly from home to the plane. I mean she's no happy. I'll get a day before I'll meet. I've gone on holiday with my little boy recently. I was so paranoid you know when you travel in alone uh with with a child quite nervous but it was the first time I've ever done it so what I did was to how Nigga airports galp or foreclose on his could get to the apple and then then if I'm there an hour before we'll have to come relax your shoulders. I'm more or less already on holiday and but if I'm Ronin Ronin or this big mama term may to solve boils embroils and she's she's reword differently that the victory for her is timing it perfectly lately is that you leave the last possible moment you can leave everything happens and then you literally get there you walk through your through security. You Walk in the the gate is called. You're there the Q.'s going down. You're on the plane if she can have that happen and that's what she's aiming for. She's really really happy. I mean hats off to people. It never happens but that fills me with fair. Yes yeah because of Taylor so I'm sure that's why we're together. He's the CEO for balanced yeah have you. Do you think you've always been like that. Mark that forward thinking always moving forward I think so and I don't know if that's never in anybody else's head so I don't know other people think but I I meet people have incredible memories and can remember everything that they've done in the past Mrs. Mrs Children's suffering. I don't really have any of those things and I can only put it down to that. I've always had to prepare. I tell you actually where it might come from my my different young and the baby so he was never around so my mum had to try and bring me up and she was from Australia so she was in London in the sixties age twenty with the kid and worked in the RAG trade. We write as listen we lived up there. She was in a factory by Dana Bar or at night to make enough money to keep things taking over and the point came. I think when I got age five I was a bit of a handful and she didn't know what to do so so friends of the family who was still friends with gave her the advice of put me into the state boarding school they found somewhere down in sorry who's the remainder of the school which used to be an orphanage it was called in Victorian Times the asylum for fatherless children and its sole remit was to provide schooling for disadvantaged kids from London who didn't have fathers so we applied yeah and I you know I fulfilled the criteria so I went there at five so from a very early early age I was very organized getting stuff planned and prepared you get up in the morning. You've made your own bed. You'd go down if it was your turn to lay the table for breakfast for everyone. You had to do that so I see with my son. WHO's just my younger boy has just started secondary school getting everything together you know his his kid is sports kit kit and all of that and getting doing it on time and brushing his teeth and having everything ready it's tricky for him because he's a very dreamer in a lovely way but it's exactly like my isn't really a way always got hold off after the gets out of the showers that he needs to get changed and these dyspraxia so he finds buttons and Coordination Nice and things quite difficult so it's not as quick off the mark as all the other kids broke his name and he loves a chat so when he's in dry supposed to be a lovely then and put just and he gets angry? Don't just listen and just just try and do your best but yeah I don't mind being that Raimo type but that's very lovely because what I was GonNa say is I'm conscious that I have to bite my tongue and not rush him along because I felt guilty the other day I did kind of go could come on now. You'RE GONNA be quicken this and he I could see him so start to get upset with all this terrible I don't want to visit my forward-looking control planning thing on on him because he's guy exactly and his personality is growing over time here but at school so then came to secondary school which was also a state boarding school. I mean how many people have state boarding school history from five to eighteen but my mother moved abroad when I was eleven went live in Germany because she could earn more money she spoke German. Ingram was having a three day week rubbish in the streets power carts. We look like we're going to the dogs. Germany was having an economic miracle so she moved said Jordan. Come with me and I thought well. Why would I want to go to Germany so I stayed on at the school that I was at that? I'd started as a day pupil for became a border but it meant at the end of every term only advocate you know the parents are turn up. They just chuck everything in the boot of the car drive off. I had to plan what I I was GONNA. Take home on the plane because I was only allowed a certain amount of kilos what I was gonNA leave behind where I was going to leave it behind that school. Was it going to be laundered right so that when I go back I could actually wear it and all that so I had to do a lot of pre-planning in my life as a young boy of a very onboard safe during doing all that I mean that sounds like you growing up much quicker than what he should have been really Ed. Maybe maybe how was it just going back to when you were there five years so to start a boarding school already I dunno I would handle that a five again terrible memory really remember. My Mum has this photograph of me looking looking a bit weepy day that dropped me off their left. She's got massive sixties Beehive Hairdo and I'm in a little sort of blazer and shorts and I look a bit a little bit sad you know so but I don't remember that I have to say that whole school experience sounds pretty calcium but actually wasn't it was it was totally fine and I had a great time because all the brothers and sisters don't have will replace by people I was at school with the so I kind of I kind of grew up with learning being from them or watching them. We quite confident as a child mark because I feel if you were making these friends that they were becoming sort of your brothers and sisters was anything. That was an easy thing if you store a natural thing not particularly confident. I don't think I was quite chunky when I was so ten eleven twelve I think I felt a little like you know I wasn't one of the cool boys one of the boys and I was sort of on the outside a little bit Ponti again because I didn't have a normal family unit and I was watching them all and just fell a little bit of an outside. I always felt I think that there was a needed rulebook. Give give you the book so that I can work out how I'm supposed to behave and what I'm supposed to be and then I I know what I'm doing but I was learning learning from I was learning from everybody about me but then in my mid teens I suddenly grew up and in and got really good at sport so I was playing eighteen. Rugby was kept in the basketball team swimming for for Norfolk and my county and at the time and it all kind of got good good. I think what I realized is I became visible. I suppose writing school works if you have a talent if you're visible if you're bright if you if you're musical if you're if you're invisible boarding school. I think it'd be really tough so I wasn't confident then I think I've gained some confidence through sports. Our economic studies average is the best way I can describe it right. I was there a passion for it. Oh No really not really certain earn you know. I know that there were certain times when I got fired up to write a good essay. Oh became interested in something in science or whatever but generally I was I was coasting and doing the the best I could. I think I had a natural intelligence that meant that when it came to a levels I was okay levels go as and bs but then by the time it's a-levels. I sort of I swore lost the will really I was much more interested in being a teenager and having a laugh in good time for the punk band did yes the advent of all of that when did when did music common to your life as a teenage seventy six seventy seven as to listen to John Peel I had a I had a small transistor transistor radio that when lights our happened I d I used to switch on really low and used to listen to it on my pillow and I listened to John Peel and you know you'd have a now. A radio show lasted a couple of hours yeah radio. I remember distinctly remember the night he played them. Seizing the balance sheets first album uninterrupted it just literally went here it is I'm not gonNA say anything and he played the whole first side turned it over played the whole of seconds so and also sounds at the time I think our enemy had a one edition came out and one full page said his records and they'd they'd drawn three chords on a guitar right now go out and former Pan Am and we literally did that. I would okay right. We're going to Norwich Yoga by snare drum and hi hat. You'RE GONNA get a lead guitar. I bought base second base and and I was able to get hold of the equipment at school. They're amp the speakers and we just go and plug it in in one of the classrooms and GonNa make a noise and we actually make a little tape tape. God knows where that is and and played a Gig in our local village to I think there were more people staging were in the audience fantastic so could have gone very differently. I don't think music's lost the criteria that continue for me but it did mean nuts. I I went off the rails but I got less interested in academics. My levels weren't great Dane. German of a secret was cheating boquet and and that's why they went to Munich University to do law which sounds great was your was your Mama Munich. She moved to Munich so why law was into new look into. I think I was a school where were still all know. They were very keen to have guys go into Folkston Cambridge. Get really good university places and unfortunately my level results didn't really fit with any of those kind of high end universities but I could hurt enormous brownie points by being the first boy in the school ever to gain entrance to Munich University to go and do law so I got them off my back. They would marvelous brilliant and the nicotine will go and say we will want. He's optimistic so yeah but I got there and and then realized that really wasn't difficult for me and Yeah German constant I mean in all in German. It was political constitutional kind of language anguish that I didn't have yeah so the guys who were in the next building who were doing acting workshops and things we're having way more no funding I was and that's how I go into is it was the acting ever come prior to this. No no no. It was widely done a play at school but they they had really fired me up anyway. It was just I just open that door and said to teach packet scoreless listen I wanNA come back to the UK. Maybe I should do German oversleep degree. I'm really interested in the idea of doing drama and theater an England applied for a couple of German courses on my acre full I don't if it's still and a couple of English drama courses and the English drama interview was the first one I hadn't he gave me a place by so I went and it was there where they had a studio theatre and you could do staging you know basically study study theater back from the Greek and Romans up to the present day that I really that was the first time I've really got the bug other than the music. I suppose the bug for something so that starts profoundly for firing about it yeah yeah and how long was that item you therefore that was the role Holy Colleges University of London English drama degree and it was three years was that and yeah because I say their studios theater you could put plays on you could do the lighting you could do the sound she was starting to learn about all aspects of the fans and the academic side of things so you know Oscar Wilde and you know plots and terence and all the Greeks and everything up to the present day so that that's that became invaluable when I when I then started getting into the business and did you think that point money were Holloway. The this is going to be a viable career. No I there were a lot of people there obviously and the mantra was of course I should be a drama school so I think a lot of people who were interacting and wanted to go to drama school. Their parents did not get a degree. That's the first time I went drama school with strong school found out about that and then after Holloway I realized I needed more than just the kind of academic experience that I'd had went to slow vic for two years. How did you defined Bristol? Amazing loved him. From the first day absolutely loved. I always remember Kristie Ernest the principal there on the F- The day that we all gathered he said listen if there's anything else that you have any interest in in this life if there's anything else that you think you can do I strongly strongly suspect you leave right now yeah and that really struck me and I thought office nobody left and he didn't really mean it but he was making it very clear. You need to have this drive and this love of it and I did but I think he's riot. Yes so many people go you know. Did you have a plan. I'm bay. We'll know if I had a plan bay. The national probably have done that yet. No there was no plan beef and it's fascinating today. How many young the people I meet who want to get into the business you know whether it's directing or make you films or acting and all of that quite lot back then not not so many because I think we were encouraged to lower if you could learn a trade or something like that something palpable the idea of going to begin active with so nebulous that it I was advised against it whereas now I think times so tricky the actually choosing a job that doesn't have any any particular security about it but at least affords you joy is not such a crazy decision and what I think it is now nowadays I think he's changed a lot but I think again what we're talking about the beginning about certain things being drilled into us certain things were drilled into his also by then no you can do that but you have to get? I got this I just in case you need your fullback whereas now I don't think you do people see people from all different walks of life in all different backgrounds going I will saw that personal the title of that person. NFL assault of that person on stage. I know that they're from my background so maybe they can and do it that I. I've my small chance of diplomats how in so it's a big ask. There's a possibility now is that if there was as much Saturday I was from heavier. It was considered an eccentric choice because there was no stability whereas I as I say now that there seems to be relatively little instability in in my world yes so it doesn't seem such a strange time. I think that other people's fair of how how could you possibly do that I will. I need stability mile after two you you couldn't even do that yeah and also remember the generation before us was post war and it wasn't about indulgence is about survival I mean even though it was the sixties and everything you still had to kind of have a sense of of of effort in a work ethic about you. The idea that you choose a creative course was was sort of considered here was no not so much now in fact somebody was saying the other day that the school lecture we went to recently being able to to I have ideas and be creative with the top two recommendations for full students when they get out into the real world having ideas being creative. If that's now of paramount importance it kind of wasn't when I left school asking questions always ask the questions always encouragement. Oh boy ask ask a question yeah. Yeah don't worry if it's not right if because then you'll know you file you get down and he got back up and the only way that we learn facet. You should say that asking questions. I've got this little theory. and I don't know if it's true or not but when we left school or university we had to ask questions. If you wanted to find out about something you had to go find somebody who knew about it. You didn't have the computer stroke phone in your hand now and it seems to be a lot of confidence. These days in young people that worries me is bored of the fact that they don't need anybody. They don't need anybody to tell them where to go google APPS. They don't need to work out how to get into a business. They just Google it. You know you wanNA anything you need to know you can also validate yourself by taking pictures and posting it and have have instant friends. It's really dangerous and terrifying mind yeah probably not to them. They're growing up with it and they can deal with it and it'll be fine line but I feel like it's it's eliminated a lot of humility which I miss humility that people had to have in order to kind of get on in the world so you have to go and seek stuff out night. Don't need anybody particularly grace humilitate grace yeah but ise then we saw old doug it does make you sound Okasan kind of agree with you and I'm certainly not old. I like to think I am old nice for them. Maybe they can deal with it sometimes. I don't think that can cause I hear stories and the only reason I'm on social. Media is basically for work and for this podcast to help business kind of why you know so you know my producer knows more about the social media aspect of it than I do but I hear awful stories about validation that these young people haven't they need I. I don't know where to to go with the the answers are do find it worrying that even host a photo of where you are and you're constantly looking. I got this many likes. That's going to drive people party you legend so. I don't think he's very helpful for your upstairs and you also growing having no and I don't mean that patronizing the same. We're all the same. We don't know who we are. We're learning as we grow up because what growing into US salves yeah and every generation worries about the next generation I mean when I was into punk and doing that I remember people standing doing candlelight vigils outside sex pistols concert because they thought we we're all going to hell and we are now. It just seems like a lot of good natured mucking about when you look at it at the time our parents thought it was dangerous and evil and vile so obviously my generation looks at the kids and things that this these pernicious phone stroke computers aren't going to help but you know maybe as they're growing up with it they're used to it and I'm not aware not yeah well. Maybe can I share a slightly personal question when you're growing up. Did you ever gospels. Maybe you didn't months ago. I question for you. Did you miss the father figure in your life or Sunday Sunday a male figure no because I didn't really know what that was. Yeah you know I think it's very difficult for kids whose parents breakup a couple of their you know aware of their parents. As a unit you know I suppose from three onwards be tricky and then if they say eleven to fifty teenage years is the worst time because they're aware of the presence of both parents but I I just grew up with my mom that was in of course of course we were in a foreign country so all her family were abroad some there was just literally me and her and that's what I was used to and in a way I've thought about it since it was probably kind of liberating because I didn't have anybody telling me what to do. I didn't have anybody I needed to emulate yeah yeah. I didn't have any body I felt inadequate because of because they cheats on the nobody's and sisters as well as you. Nobody's compete with I didn't miss all of that. Actually though the so-called normal family life I mean Louis. Mrs Comes from a a a a normal family and it's great you know they all love each other and and I'll give it each other in in equal measure and it's fascinating watching the dynamic but there are there. Are there downsides to close family as well yeah but I I think I thrived actually because it meant I had to work things out for myself and dispose as you say no. You can't miss what you didn't have quite now can you do you think because of not having a closer relationship with your mom yeah I did very close to my mom but boarding school got in the way of that little bit being sent away meant. They say there's a there's a great great book by steep it off. I think raising boys if you've read any it poses the theory that boys kind of neat their mom for the first six years dad for the next six years and then something no someone else for the subsequent six years and that is I think absolutely valid so up until the age of five six you know my mom was around and I was with with her. Then school really took the paternal you know all those those teachers I smile teachers who were in Loco parentis. It's they they were kind of the Father Surrogate and then I got the twelve and I wanted something other than than than my parents will apparent and so especially with moving abroad eleven here it meant we didn't I was at school more than I was at home and he wasn't home. She still had to work and money so she wasn't around all the time so we had a very fractured a relationship through through me growing up was it one of those relationships hips were so when you were born in school and then you were going back to go and see them. Would you pick up where you left off with the beer. A time where you had to crank the relationship relationship backup against you know two main pick up exactly where you are or it would know it. Would it was stages right so I be with her over summer. Yeah go back to school but the time I got back at Christmas she might have a new boyfriend right or have moved here and in fact she had boyfriends and moved in between times. She moved around all the time under yeah because of world she couldn't ever settle. I don't think I was always just looking for something so no it was more stages so getting there that summer we'd have that sort of relationship then the Christmas would be slightly differently be somewhere else. Maybe with the new guy I hi forever then I go back to school next summer. We were something else it'd be taking. She knew all of us something did that become part the KNOB you you're expecting to her to be moving and it did it did and then I got to fourteen fifteen and I thought at this no point in me going back there because I don't know anyone in Germany and you know mom seems Seldon life and I'd sort of spend holidays with friends. parents like I go to their families not go home for Easter. All ooh I'd go and stay with mates in the squad in Norwich united in the punk band for a couple of months when summer instead of going home so just jumping again again we move around the time frame on the podcast all the time during that two year period in Bristol yet not quite an intense to yes yes yeah was. was there any point sharing that to here's where you thought even though you went in with a very positive attitude was times where it kind of broke you all made you think twice about becoming an never the opposite it really literally the opposite I was heat-seeking Ballistic Missile for the business journal I mean I I've wanted in and not because I wanted fame and fortune genuinely I actually loved the process of Russell's being in a play being on stage. I love the combination of sort of practical who'll work the after doing functioning stage and the mental discipline required to be onstage and also doing stuff in front of an audience I mean I'm relatively sure I think in my everyday life I don't go out and seek attention but there was something about playing to an audience that I I don't know why I just got it and it's it's the thing that I still love more than anything and so at drama school I worked really really hard. You know I it almost too hard. I thought you know if I've have really really you know work as hard as I possibly can and he's going to guarantee me something and of course it doesn't the only thing you actually earn a drama score. Is your fight certificate ticket it. Oh my God I prepared that for like nine months because it's a validation yeah get a piece of paper. That says you've done your you you because obviously you don't get any kind of allegation as as an actor is only that the job that gets you that if you get one or lucky enough to get one no I never swear live from the coast and then I even remember being off the very first job at Geiko John Jinmen used to run the the Swan Theatre in worcester had come to see our final year show I play Baroni love's Labor's lost right and offered me a job nine months. Get my equity card go to Worcester and I remember saying to a couple of the worst want to go to worcester for nine months and they were hanging on for maybe they could get something in London maybe the more TV palm and they had aspirations that that were more I suppose about the business I just wanted to do. It just wanted to and he even he said to to me. When you offered me the job he said listen to you Mike at other authors and stuff but and I'm happy to wait to see what you get you know and I was like no no no on that phone call I'm coming? I want it yeah. I I mean I'm in and he took and I left and went straight up to stone did a nine month. Season of nine plays in nine months so it was monthly rehearsed during the day and then perform the previous play if you like in the evening and I got to play Jack worthing importance of being earnest I got to do attorney Harrison's the passion being in a pantomime and then a new play and young blaring the man of mode. My very first professional job was playing the teacher in our day out was Willy Russell play about teachers taking a bunch of kids to a zoo and they said I work with children. Animals in animals very first job was all children and animals and no exotic zoo animals because you get those worcester but we had to go to the couple of geese perfect perfect stuff like that but you see if wade around like the others maybe the maybe been wounded. There's no way you'd have been able to play that sort of Tolaga. I'll go parts there so that first nine months was another nine months of learning gold dust and then from there I think he finished in the offspring. There was nothing so first summer I think I did tell US sales to to make ends meet and so I'd never work again and then and then John Jim and went went to take over the the contacted Manchester from the guy who was running. He was on a sabbatical and invited me back to come and do Macbeth and translations and so I I said to all the guys in the telesales his right because I told them summer. I'm an actor and the day that I said to them okay. Ah Job I'm off was a was a wonderful one and then managed to keep it going with with the contact monster and then the IRS can call it. I A go players cast. They're holding spears and being monks is so interesting about you know talking about before about saying yes and say no and you said yes to him him and everybody else has gone worcester. Y stuff then we're talking about regrets before don't need a new as imagine if you haven't taken the. UN even take everything happens for a reason isn't so is about who you work with yeah. I think it's about you know it sounds called psychology but it's about positively and it's about just just you know if you put the the good vibes out there and you do the work and you learn stuff even things that may not be glamorous glamorous enough for you. It will pay off in the and I feel like it. I think all that work work put in and it wasn't hard. I loved Western I loved contact and I love being the IRS C. You know suddenly standing side stage and watching people like mark rylance when rave fines and penny down in the older actors and An and then from that like oh I went over to the national and did lear Richard Third Richard there was directing which is Deborah was directing layer and it was one company doing both plays how we went on a world tour we went all over Europe and Eastern Europe because the war just just come down and Tokyo and Cairo which is exactly what you want in your mid twenties is unbelievable and mckellen it was mccullum was playing which Brian Cox was lear and it's the same size stage and watch him and more importantly than that even than just watching them perform seeing how they were off stage because when you were in talks with people for that length of time and it was a year I think you become a family yeah but you watch them in life and I think the humidity and the confidence the cutlets strange combination that they all seem to have something that I learned from you never stop learning no of the three things that now oh God yeah I mean. I don't know if it was if you but every new job I feel like I forgot everything. Yeah you know start from square one again and as I I is always I go chill new people forty. Let's new character forging relationships quickly sounding people out making sure your your sounds you can possibly be open. I was thinking being open is so important yeah I agree and I have to say often. We're not dumb press. I've had access go or you're GONNA be journalists. Journalists they'll they'll get in there and they'll you won't be happy and and I found the opposite to be true. Actually the more open you on the more people realize that you're not just journalists but in life that you have no alterior motive or side yeah then the more people relate to that yeah has everybody can relate to that you can relate to someone who's kind and warm it open and then they relax because you know you do. Pt and it's not a game exactly yeah people are worried about if there's a game now there's no safe. There's No side then then Oklahoma side chose Brecon relax sure you have to have a bit of steel though just in case someone does take advantage of that and that can sometimes happen that you are warm and open and somebody thinks therefore your week while never confuse kindness for weakness so exactly exactly last thing concerning on and that's all right. That's the autobiography during those ten months in telesales. When you're you were thinking well that's it was your spirit crosstalk quite a roller coaster we still we got time for a great story? We've got time on for everything mob strong okay so it wasn't ten months. It was a summer it was sort of April through to September button that that was the thing it was a highly dodgy outfit that I didn't really realize until later these guys pretended they had magazines that they were advertising in these these magazines were being sent sent to all the captains of of industry throughout Europe yeah so the idea was that you rang various people cold and offered them advertising space in these magazines and people people have advertising budget for their company so they would you know if you were persuasive enough. They need you an awful. They will put their appetizing the magazine I only subsequently when I left found and they only print as many magazines as there are advertisers so everyone is advertised in it gets really glossy magazine with their added. It's not actually going going to anyone total calm and is only afterwards that I realised all the people in that room kind of knew that so they were all on some level con artists lists and that was compounded just before I left by this one guy who turned up I've been there few months or members was called Howard Howard and he came in and he had he was in there one morning. When I got a couple of desks away from me and said you know I'm not how we got to know each each other? We can quite friendly that we go out for lunch together at Simpson's on the on the strategy suits pretending me somehow big businessmen the hell and he he would we story seats while we were there. He'd say that guy that guy. He's a he's a judge he presided over my divorce and another time he told me that he had some sort of problem with his What were the spleen or something you know some medical thing that he'd had and he was really stores who became quite close and then one day he invite us all to Go-to for weekend down to a boat that he was going to rent down in Southampton? I could make it that we can. I think I was doing something and the guys are went off and the next week when I came in Howard wasn't there and they all turned up and apparently Howard hadn't turned up at the going down with the bags ready for a weekend on a boat he just vanished didn't turn up game older more anything like that and it turns out the method burning money in these in this office was that you had to get somebody to agree to advertise and when they did they had to send a particular wording by telex to the office but was your commission that was your proof that you told appetizing because the MAC didn't come out for a while so you try to collect as much commission from various because you could and at the end of the week all those little titties would pay you money. They gave you gotta in cash. Okay so how it has been doing he'd been and tell Michael Sale. He'd rented a Telex Office in Birmingham. He would send a bogus telex to the phone from some company probably a real company knowing that they wouldn't actually checkup until it came time to get payment which was in six weeks time basically came in. He did six weeks of bullshitting. Everybody did a couple of side deals as well money of people for faxes that he was going to give them and stuff like that and then just van and when they told the police they will yeah yeah we know that guy is a confidence trickster. No yeah and I couldn't believe it so in a way even in my downtime I wasn't acting. I was beginning. I was being given the Z. Best acting lesson by this guy because I thought it enough to go for lunch with me enough to say all this stuff about the judge and the display and then I realized it's all it's all stuff off designed for you not to see him here. He's got story so when they said to me. What do you know about him like remember with these stories? He told me I knew nothing about him. where he lived how he got to work anything proper small Comoros amazing amazing here about it's open theatre this theater now when I was thinking about you I'm thinking actually think about me for once? How am I passed? Will it will inspire me what I think certain landmark television when he said Lambeau television the load is the throughout history I mean there's the big view but one for me was offense in the North Roy and and when I think about that account put it aside any other series. Will you buy the house. I was just watching Telly Vindicate Year. I was danger Roy. So were you aware as a phenomenon or were you actually into the show I was actually into it and it was only after the I went. Oh this is this is hugh. Yes nothing like this and the the timeframe of the story Orey yeah and I never seen anything like I've. We didn't know what we learn selves him for. I mean I certainly didn't want to know about you know me. Donny Craig used to walk down the street together. Get a new coach think this is going to be any good because for us it was just another job we had no concept that Michael Jackson the BBC too had committed. I think eighty percent of the drama budget to that one show which was unheard of owns a massive gamble yeah and it was eleven hours of television spanning the sixties through to the ninety s for me. I've been at the national. It was just like doing another play. It was a year's filming and how to age each as it seemed to be about a year. Maybe that's maybe nine months something but a long periods on long enough that it felt to me like a play in front of a camera particularly as I was wearing wigs and then and losing my hair as I was like everybody's growing up and growing old relationships are Frampton. I mean it was just it it was great actually it was really yeah so so making the transition from took TV which I did with that show was an easy one because I've been I've I've been dressing up in the theater pretending to be ages that I wasn't so it was just doing the same as I've been doing that theater but on in front of a camera so it's interesting that you're walking in down the street and garden not to think but sometimes you can treat yourself over if you if you've got a great script you've got a great cast directly then. I think this is going to be able to go yeah and then it's not you know as you know you never know and actually often the opposite is true when you're feeling confident onset. I find that a little dangerous I find that really we're in yes when it's going going to be ordinary yeah if you're laughing each other along and say it's not going to be as funny as you think it is now but it's not self congratulate self-congratulatory thing. I have a real problem if I'm in a same with somebody and at the end the garage. We've got him guy done that this mass. We've yes no no no nothing I may be now. Maybe it's not quite as good as what you think. Maybe just reserve reserve yourself a little bit. Thank hopefully it's called porter now. Maybe could've done this so many other layers that have got to happen. There's always comes to yeah who knows maybe over that they put a bit of crashing music and you know you haven't again. You have no control. You can only look after what you do that the best year ability absolutely everybody else has everyone has their own little jumps yeah don't be don't be making their job new focus focus on your so. That's why it's such an inexact science making film or TV because this those all of those levels have two or even theater because everything everything has to work for it to succeed. Do you find you have more sense of control in theater totally because it's you on stage director has to sit out there fretting yeah while you're running the show and having Zach produced on temple. It's been a real revelation because it makes me realize how much goes on behind the scenes how much music and changes a same how much editing contain a scene you know the scene that you were playing that related to a previous scene that you've worked your socks off on May not even be in the show yeah. You know what I mean so there's a lot of manipulation goes on after after the fact which is great actually it makes me worry less about how consistent on being over the course of his show I mean you have to draw your graph of your inverted commerce journey and play the scenes along the lines of that graph as they come up over Shedu but you know scenes may just disappear the whole your whole plan might might not work. I mean Stockholm. I did just recently fantastic little film with radical Robert Boudreau. I went to candidates at Hamilton right to shoot it six weeks story about Stockholm Syndrome about two robots who take hostages in the bank and then the people that Banco Hostages Fall in love with them and that basically gave birth to Stockholm Syndrome Right Me Ethan Jason Hawke With Two Bank Robbers Numero pace is one of the the people that were bursting in on and it was a fantastic sort of dog day after noon none of reimagining imaginings of that event crazy you know there was a car and it looked like the car that Steve McQueen had him bullet is eastern had a massive. We're GONNA cowboy is a fantastic sort of noisy brave reimagining of all of that so I did it and it I just grabbed fantastic coupla fantastic scenes in another and saw the film. It's kind of long story short. It was okay and two of my best scenes. The I really liked had gone home Um and also I think they decided in the let's forget the dog day afternoon craziness and let's make it more of a love story so they changed the name of it from Stockholm to the captor picture of Ethan a new me cuddling each other on the on the front of the DVD and then put bet she's a music over and it became much more about the love story than it was about the the the craziness of the bank robbery which is fine and oversea greater minds than I had decided. That's how it should be but it was really I found it a little disappointing interestingly you saying that would direct him. Be something that you would want to get into a point and I'm thinking well. I've done that before. I've never done it. No an I don't know why it seems quite daunting. I don't look at that and think yeah I can do that. I look at it and think. How can you do that really really well when I don't know enough maybe it'll get there? an interesting exact producing on Temple Fund enough. I there is a breadth of knowledge that I have over the last thirty years that can be useful yeah but I don't really know about lenses and technical staff and I would want to know about all that stuff a little more will they do say that the cameraman and the GOP takes care of all that stuff but to no no haven't done. I've I'm still enjoying acting. I'm enjoying script landing on the Mat and you see apart. Don't you think yeah I can do something with him. That's I'm still I'm still having fun with. That's amazing that you still having fun. That's what it's all about yeah well about to go off and do Crew Ella Disney up doing the live version of all of their thing an origin story of Cruella with Emma Thomas Stone playing Carrillo and Emma Watson playing the baroness right and is being directed by Craig Gillespie did a fantastic film. Could I Tanya Brennan so he's doing a Kinda Punky reimagining of this origin story of correlative ill and I'm going to go along with a bit fun. I'm playing a sidekick sidekick of biographer Emma Thompson huge palm by get to be a sidekick who you think is highly dodgy entity. There's some fun to be with it. And that's why I've signed up Yup so but he's not fun to be had them. Why why are we doing this will no truth is I I do? I'm never my own worst. I expression on my own worst enemy. Sometimes in what way well I find. I get involved with the sort jobs the when you open the first page it says night exterior trenches his rain mud. It doesn't say Caribia will go Bahamas. Whatever low sunshine I do get involved with the the tricky ones endless night shoots and stuff but they're actually the interesting ones but they'll have fun doing exactly a different type of fun yeah? Do you ever get going. Do you get to a point say if you haven't been on stage for a couple years. You have a tweet chat yeah and you feel the need to get back on yeah just recently yeah I mean I the last player I think I did a lot was was before the recent ones was a Sam Mendes his last two shows at the Donmar he hated you did ankle volume twelve nine the same company and son Russell Bill and Emily Watson Helen mccrory really good causes caused and that was that was done and then I go into film and then a view from the bridge came along and I thought I had been out for a few years probably twelve years. I hadn't done a play for and yeah and I'd always said to myself that I would do play play year or every couple of years for twelve years gone by and I just I just not play in from the bridge was was dipping my toe back in the and I loved it so much at such a great time and I felt like I learned a lot of stuff in front of a camera that was useful on stay right and the thing was a big success and we did really well so stray body to think oh the Bonn with Robert Reich and the national because I wanted to get back up there and I'm going to do something next autumn. That's it's already on. The cards probably walk definitely with Robert. called Sabretech these yet because they're still costing tell me after I'm still young yeah you can't but it means. I am going to try every couple of years. I want to get back on stage because I do think that's the lifeblood of all playing a live audience your own rhythms and how you can be either funny or tragic has no sounding board unless you have an audience because obviously as we've said you do that stuff on camera somebody else takes it away and decides what rhythms they can choose and so it's really your only way of working out how to perform especially for you with with your career and your past. That's where it all started. That's where the love star Yeah So. It's quite right you should revisit that whenever even of doing TV or film to be honest with you I mean when I when I started and I was up I did that Worcester Manchester or a national thing then I went to the wrong court and you know the Al Qaeda and I was just going to do theatre telly tally was just something that you know my agent one day turn around and wince login do this so kind of become Beveren accident fallen into happen yeah yeah all friends friends was the breakers pose and then and then I got into movies well we should I've got my ass kicked. Probably if we didn't end this by talking about television and talking about one specific television program rises would be temple yes so I know you've been doing manageable press for this. Yes and I'm not press has been now. Don't talk about things like this podcast I talk about this isn't press on this conversation but imagine right that I didn't know anything about and the sky one television show temple yeah. I certainly haven't read the scraps. I definitely wasn't in it right. How would you describe the show of to me mark? It is an adaptation not a remake them at pains to say that of Norwegian show called Bell Korean and the reason that I think we need to know that it's not that is because of the word that Marco wrote an amazing playwright and screenplay writer put in by writing all eight episodes. It's completely authored our version by him and he took the original characters from the Norwegian show and some of the premise of the narrative and created his own thing and essentially what he came up with was a surgeon who in trying to help his dying wife save his dying wife gets into an unholy alliance with a Carrot Gold Lee played by Donnie mays who has the keys to the the tunnels tunnels underneath temple cheap station and that's essentially the sort of initial framework and odd couple relationship allowing Daniel to work below ground and do a surgery on people for money to help Lee and his desire to become a prep then what happens is you get to meet. A researcher who used is to work with Daniel. That's my character's ex wife. You get to meet a bank robber. Who is down there hiding out you get to meet the bank robbers nemesis or Emma sorry? I don't know what the floral of Nemesis skyway Masai that two people one of them not very far from where I'm sitting right now who are after him in order to exact revenge and essentially what you have is a group of lovely characters that you will watch make various decisions and you have to decide as an audience whether ethically the immorally you would agree with all of it but it's a great yawn. A lot of it starts underground in a very odd space and over the course of the episodes ironically above ground is safe below ground is dangerous but by the end below ground is safe and above ground is sorta below gonNA save above ground is dangerous. It's very hard show actually to to pitch in a sentence. I was just about to South Eastern fucking great. Thank God if I didn't know this. I definitely want to watch and I'm not obviously I'm not saying that but I do remember when I got sent the first three scripts and it happened to me for a long time reading scripts because we get to read a lot. Someone knocks cried some mediocre the very few top drawer and I remember end in episode one with Asbestos with what happens at the end gasping a rating for episode to stray away and dive in Boca Grande that for me I was already completely they solved it is great storytelling and that's the lifeblood of what we do is a simple as is and we tell stories and what Mark Roe is adapted from the original is a great story really does make you want to keep going find out what happens next. All those cliches are absolutely true and we managed to do it without explosions at the end of every episode. You know what you think. Oh my God what's going to happen next week. It's all done through this character driven storyline and I think it's really rewarding and it seems to be appealing to people across the board investment in those characters. Yes what we're in yeah and the thing that's what people will will do straight away because I certainly did when i read it okay well. I hope so I think they will mark strong. Thank you so much pleasure as really yeah to do a little focused after say more this this was like just having a lovely chat with my thoughts what they said welcome back anytime. Thanks and another episode is done. What did I tell you warn warn of truly the genuinely Nice aced blocks the No side to markets all in really cares about wait does for a living and tasted it takes it seriously Putin? Take everything seriously. He's got things perspex if he knows what's what I love spending time with him and also I loved working with him now. There was a show out right the moment all episodes of landed. All the episodes is on sky one. It's now. TV's called Temple it stars strong past who shall podcast Danny maze the wonderful correspond run out and and look if you haven't heard Danny Mazey's podcast episode go back through the catalog and lessons are too great companion base with marks episode. 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WDW Radio # 601 - The Music of Magic Kingdom: Part 1

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WDW Radio # 601 - The Music of Magic Kingdom: Part 1

"The. Laura. The crypt doors creak and the tombstones quake. Mussa. Happy Haunts materialize and Vocalized. W.. Oh Hello my friend and welcome to the W. W. Radio show. Your Walt Disneyworld information station I am your host Lumine Jello, and this is shown number six, hundred one, and once again, not only to help you have the best possible dizzy vacation experience when you going to the parks but I also want to bring you some of that Disney magic wherever you are with the podcast live video broadcasts on facebook every Wednesday night videos, blogs, special events, bookstores, and more whether it's your first time visiting or you've been hundreds of times if. You're planning your next Disney vacation or love the history details, secrets and stories. There is something in the show for you because each week I'm GonNa take you from the parks to the screens and everything in between if you're new listener. Welcome. Thank you for being here. Please go back and check out some or all the past episodes for interviews. Top Ten's reviews more could subscribe to the podcast apple podcasts and find everything else at the all new ww W radio DOT COM. Invites you to please join me this week as we take a musical tour of magic kingdom in Walt. Disneyworld. From the background music to attraction themes, we'll go land by land discussing our favorite songs, their backstories, composers, singers, and creators. As why they're still important integral to the storytelling, we'll also share our own sense of nostalgia and memories how the music helps to immerse us in the attractions and lands and the emotional components as well. Also share some secrets, stories and digital knows along the way in part one of our look at the music of Magic Kingdom. The entity last walt disneyworld trick question of the week, and I'll pose a new challenge your chance to win an all new Disney prize package. Then stay tuned to the end of the show for more information updates, your voicemails, and more. So sit back. Relax and enjoy this week's episode of the WW Radio Show. Put on your Sunday clothes because now is the time. Now is the best time to talk about one of my favorite aspects of visit to Walt Disneyworld surprisingly does not food, but it's the music because I believe it's not only a critical storytelling element put really adds breath and depth to our experiences whether it be a familiar theme song or environmental ambiance, and because it's so important I think it needs its do, which is why we're going to look at the music of Walt. Disneyworld. Park by park and land by land in the first of a multi part series, and of course, we're going to start off right where it all began. In magic, Kingdom. And something of this importance and magnitude and fun cannot and should not be discussed by one man alone, which is why enlisted the help of some longtime friend music fans, Disney lovers and members of the WWE nation family. I still believe in ladies first I wanNA. Welcome to the show Miss Terry Stinson Darty. Hello. It's so excited. And we'll talk about this. You've you've wanted to you've been sort of pleading your case for this for a long long time both in person email, you sent me bribes in the mail and clearly those are the ones that have paid off. This is how I work with. This is how I operate. And a fellow bribes or just like you is a man who not only knows music. But he lives it as he is the composer, arranger performer conductor and singer songwriter the W. W radio theme song among many other songs. He is. Mr. Dave schone. Even. Buddy thank you so much for having me on. I'm looking very forward to having the discussion with you guys tonight, and like I said, you know we've all talked about the music of Walt Disneyworld together over the years in individual conversations whether it be about the show or just while we're you know at the parks or something. So this show really is a long time coming, and that's why I felt I had to sort of break it down. Into each individual park, and the way I thought we would do it is you know think of it as sort of a musical tour of Magic Kingdom from background music to attraction themes we're GonNa talk about our favorite stall a- songs maybe some backstories if any composers singers and I think we're also going to discuss. Why they're so important and integral Roy Can also share some of her own sense of nostalgia and memories and how these songs helped to immerse us in the land and or attraction and I believe for many of them. There's also an emotional component as well, and I very quickly dismissed the idea of this being a top ten because there's no way one to rank them. And of course, it would be way way longer than top ten plus I. Also, GonNa Probably have a few surprise questions for you along the way. Because we don't We don't talk about it and you know guys want when we talk about the music of Walt Disneyworld or specifically magic kingdom I, think for a lot of people. Their minds will instantly go to their favorite attraction and their favorite action theme songs and I. Think One of the reasons why I wanNA make sure we include the background music is because it's something that not everyone necessarily pays active attention to but I think it's so important for setting the stage right and that's really what magic kingdom is. Right it's a it's a we are onstage there and this show that we are. Very. Much, an active participant in takes place in all five senses three, hundred sixty degrees, and I really believe that the music for many people might be subliminal but is very important in helping to very much set that stage before us even before we walk into the gates. Added very true. Yeah I I I view music at the parks much like I view music and a TV or film where you know especially not so much like you were saying Lou, the attractions where they have their own and and we'll go through them. Some of them amazingly have become a classic songs outside of being parks but the thing I love about the music at Disneyworld is how it sets up each land eight you're in and even more. So the transit, the seamless transition as you go from one land to another land. So and then take that while you're in the land and then you go into certain. Attractions and it sets up the cumulus sets up what vet story is going to be. So I I I agree with you. It's just such a vital part of what makes disneyworld. So special. From my history of loving music before I even went through the gates for the very first time that was going to be a defining factor almost more than smells and I know how important smells are but music for me I mean. My kids have been brought up. Knowing and loving all of this music and. Attraction music and it just it defines me I mean this is what I do during the day I'm washing dishes I'm listening to his music. Whatever? Right, you can always tell a Disney Fan Disney file because you can look at it I was gonNA call it an Ipod but you can look at their phone you can look at their spotify you can look at whatever it is and it's filled with the letters B. Gm. So. Much background music. That's so important to us, and we'll talk but dave to your point i. feel the same way about how critical look when you watch a movie laws don't necessarily. Pay attention to what's going on in the background I. Don't mean the background visually at the background in terms of audio, but imagine walking around Walt Disneyworld without background music. Imagine entering mainstream USA where it's very, very pronounced. Curtain rises you. Start to pay attention to it. Imagine not hearing those songs. It's like watching the movie with no music, and if you've ever had occasion to do that, if you ever watched a New Jersey, it's very unsettling. It feels very very strange and you realize that something is missing and if you watch sometimes DVD commentaries or making of specials, you can see how music affects the emotional component of scenes i. think it's a it's as important as the scripts affects scenery. The actors are I think the same is in. Walt Disney world look about think about writing. Pirates of the Caribbean. Or Splash Mountain without that music you know and think about how much more you might hear right how much more do you know the music sort of covers the the the dull -ness of people talking or babies crying even now you know visiting Walt Disney world while crowd levels are low you know speaking specifically now to you know going in this era of covid nineteen when the crowd levels are lower, it's interesting because I said. In the past that the visuals seem brighter, but the music seems louder and it's more pronounced than I've definitely been more intentional in terms of wanting to pay attention to it, and the other thing you mentioned today was was the transitions how important as you pass and we'll talk about that too has you pass from land to land and you go through these portals that the imaginative create they're not just visual, but they're auditory as well. Agreed and to bring the point you said, how weird would it be to go and there is no music I remember one visit years ago when my kids were little we had gotten to mgm studios back in the day off. So early that evening before the gates, there was no music and it was kind of like a real irie like this doesn't seem right and within ten minutes ahead but you're right there's like what's going on especially for a family minmetals so musical it was it was like Oh this is weird so Same Park just a few months ago. I I have a cousin that is the CAST member anche G was going through the park. They were getting ready to reopen and everything going through the park when they I just reopened it to them and she said it was just mysterious thing ever. But she had no people know music and she's walking through Hollywood studios just looking around she said it's Like one of those horror movies, you know where the whole world is destroyed. You're the only one left. You're walking around going what happened. Right something is missing. Something is clearly missing when you don't hear that music even though especially for those of us who who have the privilege of being able to go multiple times maybe a year. Almost, sort of forget about it. Right you're you're paying attention to what you're seeing in. Mikey's what you're tasting not necessarily in what you're hearing, and that's why I want to definitely talk about some of the things that maybe you've heard hundreds of times but never really. Paid. Close attention to and it's very interesting to hear each of your perspectives because I. Think you know we talk about the top ten smells it is this episode that I when I did it. Twelve years ago have long I was nervous about doing like nobody's going to get it. Nobody's an understand what I'm talking about. But you know olfactory senses are the ones that are most closely tied to memories but I think right behind that is music and I think. Music has even more power because it is not only tied to memories and nostalgia, but helps to create a sense of place. Right it helps to immerse us in this place I. Think it ties it sort of that. Connective tissue that ties a lot of things together and. It does evoke incredible senses of emotion and varying types of feelings whether they be inspiring or sad or happy whatever. They might be a little bit of therapy that that's that music provides us to I think sometimes whether we're happy or sad or having different feelings, we turn to music to make us feel a certain way and I think that's why we have the so much music on our phones or our platelets because of the way it makes us feel the thing that we want to be connected to or connected back to. Turn. I. My emotions are so intricately. Involved with music that it usually is a song I mean. Feel like. Even, at a funeral I, always, if someone that I knew and loved, I volunteer to do the slide show for them and to take on that extra work so that I can add that music and then just go ahead and feel those things anyway that's. Not In the magic kingdom, but it's music does trigger every emotion in Me Terry Say is thankfully we're not doing epcot because I could not deal with you and we go on. On an promised. Chevy. Two of US saying. Yeah, I. Music is the only thing that can pull that emotion out of you. It's it's why it's dry. It's why it's US think of think of a movie turns think of and I know a little off tangent here. But think of the towards the end of end game when the Pardo's are opening up and tell me that music doesn't play doesn't elevate that scene even more so Why? Watch it without the music. and. All of a sudden it it's not as impactful. Now I mean it's it's obviously a very impactful, a scene when everybody's coming back but the in the score is in very. But. My God, is it so emotional on me just let it. So just to agree with your point though that it's a music for me always will be emotional. And bring out. you know all. A pitcher can do it. A visual can do it, but I'm a good weld song score. Does it ten million times better? Yeah and look you know I also want to do this too is highlight. Some this we're GONNA obviously highlight some of the people behind the music too because I. Think you know those they also unless your last name ends with urban. Or Baker, you may not necessarily be connected to some of the music and magic. Kingdom and there's a lot of beautiful music there and again to your point as a fellow Lawsti fan of lost. Now, on my fifth three watch the music of Michael J. Aquino Internet show truly makes and breaks certain episodes and there are these incredibly moving and haunting melodies that. Were not there would make not just those scenes in those episodes, but that's show less. Obviously again, using the word impactful to make me watch it for time. Yeah Yeah I mean again not to get totally off traffic you're right DISNEYWORLD has its own set of classic composers and and and just like film scores like you know we. I could go back to early days but I I mean obviously once John Williams got on the scene, it was all over. You know he he really brought scoring to the forefront. It became something that most people who who didn't understand the importance of film score You know it brought it to light and you brought up Michael G. Chino. But. As as we're talking about the composers that same principle theme parks same same thing. So without read. Ahead. No Michael. DID THE MUSIC FOR LOST All of that all of a sudden terriers like well, I guess I'm getting Hulu. Some of the themes I've seen one episode. To have to fix that. Before that might as we'll fix fisher. So again, we're going to do land by land talking about some of our favorites similar stories I think near the end will start to also may be plant in the back of your mind, some of our personal favorites and then I'm GonNa throw in something else that you might not have consider. The music as well, but look even before. We stepped through that very first portal, which for me is is one of the most important ones because when you walk under that train station and the curtain. The Lights go down on those curtain opens you stepped foot onto main street. USA. There is A. Transport of moment in time in place going back to the turn of century. But even before that when you are standing outside the gates. And you're looking at the train station you and you've gone through the entrance turnstiles. It's really important here. Again, using this idea and the parallel of this being a movie theater you're sort of in the lobby as it were, and if you listen to the music. That's being played. It's a sampling of music from all the different lands and and much like you'd see as you walk through that. The. The archway where you see the attraction posters are really like coming attraction posters. The music is an audio coming attraction that set the stage and gets you excited. I'll put it in lieu terms. It's sort of like an appetizer before it's like a sample of course before you get in and start to really dig into the full meant. I'll give you one even more before that. In the hotels at the resort on the bus or boat transportation you're getting fed some of that in little tiny bites to you know. But yeah, appetizers a great word for it. And as you start to, you know hear certain ones right whether it's you know when you wish upon a star or Mickey Mouse or Davy Crockett or you know something from you know for beautiful bulow from summer magic all of a sudden you might not be paying attention at something. The same way something catches your eye something catches your ear to. Yeah. They have everything main gates. They have every to that like you said, could play throughout the parks apparently they start. When you wish upon a star and then there's like a loop that goes almost a full two hours before changes back to when you wish on starring in. And it's all that same jury me. You know what That CD game. Now, what was it does measure Z spirits. exploded. They use a lot of that main gates music on explorer m going way back now in the nineties. But yeah, and that's where I was like how how we know that song from the game here weren't you coming in? I mean we know the song other than that but that version. is almost a little bit. It's. It's sort of like a best of in Oh. It's sort of a best of the best in those songs that are going to be instantly familiar. So it immediately grounds you and connects you to the place that you're you're about to go into. Agreed Yeah Yeah. So, let's let's go ahead and start at the very beginning in Main Street USA which look, I've said this in the past. Honestly is one of if not arguably my favorites of the lands for many reasons and. You know people say how could it be your favorite land? There's there's nothing to do here. There's no attraction here I? Think the land is the attraction and I think the music. Is. The attraction on Main Street USA and I love it because not only does it connect directly to Walt Disney the man and his childhood and the era in which he grew up. But so much of the music ties back to films that I saw as a kid and were such wonderful period pieces and just from from a thematic perspective. You know you start off your morning on Main Street USA like the music is not only probably mirroring what you're already feeling, but helping to guide you because it's so upbeat. It's so fast pace and I think that's what sort of happens the music as you go through land by land very much mirrors what you are about to experience or what you just experienced and look maybe I'm. I dig that ragtime music that's heard through out main street and more importantly there are so many of the films that they were that they come from were inspired by that I remember very fondly and this is where we start getting into the word. Sherman. Over and over and over again and over. Yeah. But but for the two of you so take main street and some of your thoughts about the background music. How it makes you feel and what some of your favorites are. Jerry Ladies First. We will start with the welcome medley I love the Committee Emmy Song. Includes walking right down the middle of Main Street USA. I actually don't remember hearing that I at Magic Kingdom. At first on. Disney Singalong sons. Disneyland. Fund. And kids. That's where my kids and I learned all the words that song and that that will be a recurring theme as we go throughout because my kids and I believe that you know attractions and songs that you're hearing in the middle of Main Street are sing alongs. I firmly believe that I believe that Nabi River Journey I believe it on Main Street. They are single. Or not if you good approximate Terry, it's GonNa be a sing along. So eighty. Yeah. Even when I don't mean to ask find myself singing so. Anyway that that's where I would start, and that's got the trolley song and welcome song and but walked right down the middle of Main Street USA. where it always starts. Carry we have our family as the same thing, the Vhs sing-along walking down the middle, of main, street and I think we there is. Probably GonNa kill me for this, but there may be even a home video of us. Recreating that. On one. Trip but yeah. But I think Lou was looking at my notes because I'm I know I said, the ragtime feel ragtime music is just uplifting music and it it I've got. You know just puts you in a good mood to start your day. You turn the corner and Hey, look there's a castle and that feel good music all the way down main street as your. Guests obviously I'm guilty. Of, a to you're kind of rushing down main street, you take your your pitchers as you're walking of of the castle and all the cab I mean we're all trying to get to the first attraction but all that music in the background it's uplifting. Music from summer magic right. And then I remember hearing stuff from the music man and. I think hello dollies in there I mean just just. Music from. Is it turn of the century or certainly after? It's from an era of music that is just meant to be fun and. Joyful and all that stuff I think it's IT'S I. There to start getting you into that good mood and all that stuff, and then of course, the damper dancer their. Stop stick and listen. And that's it for me. So you know as a musical theater kid in theater major growing up and a fan of so many of the live action Disney films those are the ones that sort of you know perked my ears up. So you mentioned Hello Dolly and you know even though that this was was composed later on it was sort of rearranged ragtime style to sort of match that music loop and I know for a lot of people they're like, no no, no. Put on your Sunday clothes isn't from hello? Dolly. It's wally well, it is from while he's. From. Hello Dolly and look I think you know the nine hundred, sixty, three films summer magic with Hayley Mills and I just love. So much Summer Magic flittering is another one. There Sherman brothers music obviously. Goes without saying. Like you said, music man is in there as well and those two. Those are those period pieces that take place here at the turn of the century. So it really helps to establish a sense of time and place and then. It's part of the way to connect the dots. And as you go down main street near moving forward and Tom, they're all these visual elements that ground you in a certain place and time but the music really helps to solidify that and really bring that for full. In a way that I think is is even sometimes more powerful than the visuals as well. You a tiny bit of controversy considering the songs from Summer Magic I watched that movie because of listening to the Audio Guide your audio guide, and so I watched this movie and my daughter who is a complete feminist. Was So horrified by the Song Femininity. I. Guess. I was dying laughing I thought. It was a Larry. And Mrs Again. It was created in a different time and understandably no I can understand why Some people might find that song. Interesting to say the least. But I enjoyed it. But even you know notwithstanding the movie The music from. The film, some of my favorite songs. That are performed on Main Street at which yes I I have. You know on my phone and previously on my I on my. IPHONE IPAD was with some of that some of the different ragtime songs like junk magma, junk, man rag, the desecration rag triplets, the old timers walls they're all performed by the Paragon ragtime orchestra, and again sort of giving credit to the artist's There's also a Jimmie Guthrie their song deary by Guy Lombardo is still in the loop as well, and there's just so many and if you sort of search for some of these, even on places like spotify and you start to find it. I just think that the the wonderfully done and you WanNa talk about music that. If you're stuck at home and you can't get to the parks, some of these songs you might not know by name, but there's something. For lack of a better word, there's something comforting about hearing them that that brings you back to this place. I did not know the composer's around the rake stuff. Thank you very much. Thank headed down towards the. Case I mean look I think we can stay on main street or we can do an entire show about the The music that's on Main Street but good. Yeah go ahead Terri I'll I was doing was heading towards maple leaf rag. To pianist. Street. That's all we were doing. I'm not I'm not leaving mainstream. there yeah he is. He's awesome. He is awesome. And like you said, it's just. You know it's the end of this the street but man, it's the culmination of everything that's that has brought us there. You know the live music, the time being played live guests watching a masterful musician. With. His hands flying all over I mean I don't know how you watch that and not get a smile on your face and in that. So yeah, and again, not to you know I don't know everybody who are some of the ragtime piano players in front of Casey's. But I know Jim Omaha. Andro has been there twenty, twenty five years and is one of the most gifted and nicest people. In the world. And he can. East. Sorry. Dark Hair. Brownish. Hair glasses. Okay, I'm just starting to his hands just move like so fast it's crazy but you know any, he doesn't just play. You know all the Scott Joplin songs I mean he has to a a wide. Scope and breadth you can say, Hey, can you play this song from even my kids favorite Disney film and maybe he'll even. Play it in a way that's appropriate for. Main Street USA. Yeah they do. They do a lot of their own. I remember talking with Jim and I've talked to some of the other pianist players imagine that and and they do they don't have stock rangers a lot of what they do especially when it comes to the Disney songs is Aveeno the melody but they've they're so gifted musically they'll. They'll come up with their own arrangements so and and like you said in the style of the rat time. Jonah Yeah Amazing. Are there any Are there any specific favorites that you have from main street that you listen to or just bring a smile to your face when you hear them? Putting on I. told you. We'll put you on the spot don't. WanNa stay for. Yes got out I. WAS GONNA say it wrong for to us the I love and. that. No, I'm just GONNA stick with that one. What movie is that when from it's it's not going be this happiest millionaire. Trivia question for this week. Say happiest millionaire, but I could be wrong. flittering his mind. Anytime I'm walking down I, hear flittering I have to walk a little slower, and then of course, the dapper dancer out, it's just a complete stop. Yeah. Until until they're done. Yeah again, I have often and still do spend a Lotta time on main. Street. I I am not rushing to an attraction because I do I love the way mainstream USA makes me feel an IT's due in large part not to what I see or taste but without a doubt it's because of what I hear. Yeah. So, it's a great way to start the day. Isn't it? Yeah us. So let's move. Are we done with main streets? All right. Let's move because you have to go left I. Left you always go to adventure land next it's way too early to be riding space mountain. So I believe that that the transition. From mainstream USA in the hub to adventure land is one of. It's one of the ones that you need to sort of stop and pay attention to because as you walk past the Crystal Palace and you start to go to that thatched archway and you look over and see how the Crystal Palace changes from being light and delicate with the popcorn lights and the white and a lattice work, and all of a sudden starts to become overgrown, and you look down into adventure land you can't see very much other than the the water and the Greens, and there's this air of mystery and this beautiful seamless blending of. That ragtime music from main street to these. Jungle type percussive ve rhythms, which is just one of my favorite transition points. I think anywhere in all of Walt. Disneyworld? But before I is sort of just jump into struck waxing poetic about my love of the music of adventure land again, we will we'll go ladies first in terms of some of the weather the attraction because now we're gonNA start talking about attractions to attraction music and background music from this land. All right I'll start with the attraction I went on our laugh you know I have to go with Swiss Copa. And I just literally watched I got carried away after Twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea and it suggested a Swiss family. Robinson. So I went for it. and. I don't remember having much the whole thing before and I loved it. Absolutely. And When she started playing it, I was like I am enjoying this so much. Just wanted to go back I love Switzerland. And look this. This might be the we went out to take this moment to mention the name Buddy. Baker because Buddy Baker, Disney legend is is a name that is going to come up time and time and time again much like return and Robert. Sherman in terms of. His musical contributions to the Disney parks. BUDDY BAKER IS A. is a is a hero really is a legend and Tree houses fine. I won't even talk about the elephant in the room, which is you know the big one. In Lieu you have to quit reading my Google notes because I said, the transition from main street to eventually on the drums is is is is so well done but I want to give a little love out to. Kinky Room. The TIKI room and I think it's more. Than anything else just because of. The the obviously really close ties to a wall. And that the Sherman brothers have such a you know the Their songs of course and just I know it's It's it's old I. Know It's classic but there's something about being in that room where when you think of the decades of people that have been in that room and and how it still entertains well entertains me at least but I just we always have to go to the tiki room and you know and and the classic Let's all sing like the BIRDIES air I think. You're the. Homes. So. Yeah, that's all sing very saying and of course. Not Tiki real okay. those those are just two classic songs and always I mean you go in there and just like mainstream you walk out of there you are in a good mood in and You're going to be seeing them. They're GONNA be your your head for a while. So until you go to small world. So. So we're GONNA pretend like that little period in the nineties didn't happen right? I have no not at all. ESCAPE FROM MOMENT I believe a fire was this just rewards? CanNot believe that that was. That happened. But yes, thinking what's really interesting is that you say adventure land right aware do people's minds normally go it. It's pirates of the Caribbean right right and you start to think that you know Yoko pirates for me which obviously will get to I. Love the fact that. You. Know Switzer Polka is not necessarily the first one that comes to mind for a Lotta people but Terry, like for me. It's it's I the background musical up touch on put it very much is Swiss Polka. I love it. You talk about sort of an earworm that gets stuck and if you've never heard of before, we've never walked through the ticket room the the of ever walked through the treehouse you absolutely should and Butler Butler is was such a an incredibly prolific writer not just for the Disney Parks and we'll get to places like Tomorrowland and we'll eventually get to epcot at such. But you know we talked about summer magic and Toby Tyler and Merlin Jones apple dumpling gang was one of was favorite as a kid many adventures of Winnie the Pooh from. The seventies and then the Fox and hound in the eighties as well But you know for me when I think of adventure land and I think this comes from my doing the audio tours, which is not meant to sound like a plug but I guess it really is a plug because I when I think of adventure land I, don't necessarily go right to attractions. I, really do go to the background music and. I have such a fondness again for the background music here and. If I mentioned any of the names of the songs you would have no idea what I'm talking about, and certainly if I named the any of the groups like Gwen and Zaka and the balance Marimba on. The average person is not going to know it but. If you hear some of these beautiful songs with. These have. A A. wonderfully I don't know how to sort of say these complicated progressive rhythms and flows, and again, the Marimba is going back to. Against some of the songs that. You wouldn't know by name if I said, I only have a husbands. But you can find them on spotify and I'm GonNa Link to a lot of these in the show notes. It's G- women's out gays G. G., U. E. M., and Zaka Aka. Perform a lot of the entrance music in there, and there's a song call serpent, which is just Beautiful and haunting and I love so very much and I, guess, I just paid so much more attention to it after spending hours and hours and hours just recording. Ambient sound of adventure land, not necessarily recording the script and the dialogue for the audio tours. But so much especially in that land in order to make immersive and people make people feel as though. They were walking together with me on this tour. That music had to be very prevalent and I wanted to make sure. I. Really captured as much of it as I could and I really. In, love with music that I. Just never. Paid. Much attention to beforehand if that makes any sense. So I have a question for you how how far back do does the music from? Miranda Ensemble. Go How Far In terms of time because. Eventually wasn't the first place I heard I already have a husband. I was in front of flame, Tree Barbecue, and I heard it the first time. And that's it's to be true for a bunch of songs. You'll find them not just and I didn't know that I didn't know you found at fling tree but I know that these you'll hear not just here in magic kingdom, but you might find them in Epcot you find them in Disneyland not just on their mainstream put some in in in Da for example to but I didn't know that next time I'm sitting by the water eating my seven pounds of delicious barbecue. When I say seven it's a slight exaggeration. I mean more like five. I will listen out for that same song because it is it's a it's a wonderful and familiar tune. I'm a little. So we were talking about the background music and Lou just you know kind of elaborated on and and I, think sometimes I think it's a shame when the parks are so busy and there's so many people that the music is so underlining because it really does really does set the mood and it every once in a while I wish we could turn it up a little bit and I'm kind of little like going now with less people and you had said earlier in the podcast about the music is more like you said the. The the lights are brighter the music's louder I always remember hearing it more at the end of the day when the parks are starting to empty out and getting a more of appreciation for could you could hear it more but you're right there are some incredible musicianship that that is going on there, and again, it just goes back to what we have said earlier about setting the mood. You know it's perfect. It's perfect and adventure land is wonderful wonderful amalgam of different styles because you do have different. Time periods represented from the jungles to the Caribbean to the desert. So what you hear over by Swiss, family treehouse is going to be different than what you hear out in front of pirates of the Caribbean which get to. But over in magic carpets of Aladdin, you'll have not just songs from the film, but you'll also find background themes that use a lot of instruments that you'd find in in the Middle East. So it has a very different feel around that especially around the the Agra Agra Bazaar area there's a group called the Farrah Dance Orchestra. And they have an album called the world's a stage music of the far. East again the titles you. You might not necessarily know but as soon as you hear him, he'd like. That's adventure land like I'm by the magic carpets of Aladdin I'm on my fourth Dole. Whip of the morning. I don't judge me don't. It's very hot in Florida. I'm of US get one right day. Okay. Me I don't know how to do it. Right. Sartre. But obviously as you move closer to pirates of the Caribbean, you get music from. The attraction, which is really some of the most recognisable and familiar and loved now, not just from the attraction but from the films as well and after the film came out, you've got looked scores from Hans Zimmer and Klaus but outs forgive me if I'm mispronouncing his name. Are just the remarkable in terms of. Helping, and then once they were sort of incorporated into the attraction to helping to. not, just connect the dots especially for younger guests or produced pirates maybe from the films but an end, a different level of energy I think to the pirates of the Carribean attractions well. Great? How is nobody mentioned? Yoho pirates life for me because we weren't there yet. We are literally going through the. Exact same way that I go to. Okay. So we're taking an actual walk through the park. Hold on, we turn back and get a cheeseburger spring roll and. You just finished your. For. Four. And juice. So it's kind of records chemical. And it's kind of good for you. Exactly. I'm getting my vitamin. Apple is so so nutritious. Okay. So we're on Yoho. So I have a question for. Is there any other theme park in the world where a song from its attraction becomes popular outside of that? Park. Because I make a case for Yoho. Groom, grooming ghosts and of course, small world that these songs have have extended beyond the borders of the theme park and no other theme park. Can claim that and and and because they're so well crafted to the ride there. So well, Don. Yoho Yoho pirates life for me has some of the best lyrics and tunes and it's simple enough that everybody can sing along when you're in that boat annoying the other people. That don't want to sing along and it's it's Again. It's it's. Best is just the best I. saw. Good. I agree with you on everything that you said and again I I. WanNa. Make sure we call out the people that. Create these again it's. and Ex Attempt George. Did the Music Exit Ngo did the lyrics George Bruns again Disney legend start off in the fifties with Davy Crockett King of the wild frontier did a lot of scores for. Against songs you'll continue to hear. US. Mentioned throughout this show because westward ho the rag wagons Johnny tremain that you'll hear in frontier land and in liberty. Square Sleeping Beauty, sword in the stone he actually was nominated for. For Best Music for a sword in the stone in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three, as well as one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine for sleeping beauty. Jungle Book. So his his musical is film references in film. History. As exceptional on its own, not to mention what he does for the theme park attractions as well. And and the ranger when the I'm sorry the. Thing about Disney a whole is how they can take a song like Yo Hall and just arrange it in in in in the transitions between the one seen pirates to the next scene but there's this common chord. Element that's going through which is the basis for Yoho or whatever song attraction were in is just so masterful and I just don't I don't get debt anywhere else except you know except the Disney you know you'll get the were gonNA play this song in one room or whatever. But like Johal, just. Depending on what's seamer in and like Louis you had mentioned now now pirates also has. Added the elements from the film itself to so the big fight. At the port is is all that wonderful Hans Zimmer score to. But I don't know if anybody does it any better than that? Yeah in fact that Johnny Depp. Sang it at the end of this. Loved that moment I was like that is what it should be. The. That I mean that music. May never ever go out of style. When you're teaching your two year old and she's like. It's pillage and plunder Hon. Another. Wage. Hey That's Thing. Yeah. And I think you're right. To your point about how a song like Yo Ho is not just relegated to a corner of of of a theme park somewhere it's just part of the geist. Every you know everybody sort of knows this song and again, credit huge credit goes to. X Ten zero Xavier. Ten show who. He has done so much and his name is in the come up again in in what I think is, is arguably the best of the best of the bests of of theme park attraction music at least for me in terms of my love of of a fraction and the song, which for me is timeless the two of them and what they were able to create, and again, exit ten, zero you know and I have to sort of I've done shows called I just call them the legend of Disney imagineering I. I haven't done a show on x as yet he needs his own show as well in terms of going from. Artists. To almost reluctant imagine ear to what he was able I mean again. Talking About Walt extracting the best from people who did not know that they had it in them. Not only could you be you know you're an artist but now of a sudden, you're going to become a scriptwriter. You're going to become a lyricist what what made him realize when he said I'm not any of those things that you're a storyteller and helped him you know take his masterful talent and adapt it to. Theme Parks Scripts, and then theme park music as well. Yeah, he you're right. We are going to hear that name over and over and over again and while did have a way of challenging his his his folks So they can do the best they could do without them knowing they could do it But pirates is. It's tough for me to talk a lot about pirates because it is so. Well done right I mean it has become outside of theme parks. The whole FEM-. Park to movie back to theme park attraction again is is something I've that I've I just don't see anywhere else that that sort of thing. So. Well. I look you know read across way. We would be remiss if we didn't talk about the tea rooms and I know we mentioned before too but I think those are some of the songs that you don't necessarily have to be a Disney fan to be aware of into sort of almost. You accidentally know the lyrics to and again Sherman. Brother brother. Sherman brothers, you know how many times it's going to be someone. Thank God. This isn't a drinking game between Sherman brothers and Take A. Full of milk. Very. Very Go. Anywhere else in adventure land. We did not touch on other than making sure you go over by. The the spitting tiki statues because it's actually a really nice. Percussion. Song that plays her and I don't actually know what it is and I only have heard it there and it almost seems as though the. The. The. The spitting of the water is is is is matched to some of the beat of the music as well. But it's it's it's just it's a fun song obviously fun to watch kids kids or Dave playing there as well. And now, Dan Percussion Song that you're talking about is not in the. Style of the Middle East. We're talking about the interest junkers right I mean but. Typically. Statues. Right Okay Crews. Queue Line is. An I couldn't tell you thing that they seemed as they only do little bits and pieces and they got the DJ but my goodness I love to go through that and we we said at home after one of our trips and we tried listening to it, and then we try pulling it up on Youtube and we were just laughing hysterically because that. Humor that is all through that Gilan in that music is so funny and good and I have no idea does it. So I can help you with that because way back way back in two thousand, seven like. The babies of WW radio. I was planning on doing a DS I. Seen Investigation of the jungle cruise. WHICH ENDED UP TURNING OUT TO BE A. Dizzy an investigation. Of The Jungle Cruise Q. Because we spent so much time really breaking down. The Q. and the details and the jokes and references to characters and films and imagine ears that are subtly hidden throughout that it ends up being an entire segment. All to itself and a lot of what we talk about is not what you see the Q.. But what you hear in the queue and sometimes having a little bit of a longer wait is actually beneficial. So That's back on show twenty four. Like, double digit teams of WW radio back in two thousand. July two, thousand seven. Correct me if I'm wrong. An probably will be but. Most of the songs that are in a cure from the forties right big bang. Era. Ban Error. That sort of thing they're kind of classic or relatively well known, right? You will find a lot of that. You know the Benny Goodman style, orchestra types of music in there too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. which isn't it. It's fun when you hear a familiar song, right because it does makes you stop and look up and listen a little bit closer when it's something that you recognize. Yeah. Yeah and again again, it puts you it puts you in a timeframe right it puts you in a timeframe urea music from that area you're transported it today air. Now, the whole jungle cruise makes more sense. That sort of thing. So Like I said at the very beginning the music is so important to help you set that sense of time and place even though sometimes a lot of it is somewhat subconscious. That yeah, I love that line. The name, the crocodiles contests, the Tarzan Yell at one point. As if by accident, it's awesome. We love that. Let's Let us make our way. Let's put down or cheeseburger spring rolls and were were just finished our sproles. Walk Through Carribean Plaza through you frontier land. Area. Off So. Coming by a reaction that this is a favourite of yours again. Instantly. Please the next time you walk through. I. Don't WanNa say close your eyes and actually run into a guest but I almost want you to take your time walking through this transition and listen to how well the music blends from that Carribean style progressive music to the instruments that are used to play the music from this era in Frontierland. Yeah. You know. So as you're walking through that plaza, you're you're still hearing the progressive sounds the Marimba. Phones. Type of melodic instruments, epidemic Udal you start in the more traditional country stuff the the citadel's be the harmonica right? The fiddles. Banjos and there's before you know it it's fading out while the other one is coming in and for the life of me I still don't know how they do that You know I mean I have thoughts but you know it's I don't know if they've recorded that but it is really you know it's going to be speaker replacement or something like that, and well orchestrated arranged. You know but it is A. Again we talked about as seamless transitions between one land into the other, and now we're into the frontier land. We're into the I don't want to say wild West but word the west because the instrumentation brings us there and. We've stepped into that land now. I never heard you talk about this transition and I believe the problem is that I walked to. It's so seemless and so successful in what they're doing that I don't notice it. So I haven't taken the time like you guys to stop in the middle going from one to the other to hear that transition I'm just. I was I was listening to still drum band and then. I'm listening to Davy Crockett. I'm just. Because, you know I gotTa get a Splash Mountain I got a fast pass to do this thing. Okay. That's kind of a testament to how well they do it. Right Terry. Notice that that the average guests doesn't notice it. You know I I maybe a little bit more too because I you know my musical background but I I I'm the same from trying to get to slash mountain I got fast and it's over in ten minutes I'm. Going pretty fast. and. I guess I. I'm different. because. I. Do although I Walk Fast because originally from Jersey and everything just. But I. Take my time and under I understand it it is the the privilege and blessing of being a local is that when I am in the parks, I'm not necessarily rushing from attraction to attraction but I do like to take my time and just wander and I almost. You know it's almost like a game to me you know. Kids, when I was a kid and you drove from New Jersey to Florida, you had to find a lot of ways to occupy yourself and you'd make up games in your mind and sometimes I walk through the parks I'll just sort of be. Sort of mentally focused on the background music seeing how many I'm able to identify how many I'm able to recognize and I think that's what Frontier Lan affords us is for those of us who live and grow up in in the United States. There are so many songs that are so very familiar to us that we've either seen in movies or they're just classic American folk. Song we all know home on the range on top of old smoky or or the ballad of Davy Crockett against to you know connected to the Disney again but. Even some of the later music, right twentieth century songs like ghost riders in the sky. It was a Stan Joan Song. We a lot of people know what from from Johnny cash and so many others and I think that's it. You know. So many of those songs that you might not necessarily know by name. You've heard them in movies. You've seen them in TV, show without actually knowing what's Get along Little Doggies who sings I've got spurs that Jingle Jangle and the old Chisholm trail. They're familiar and. To a certain degree Comforting. To us and I think you talked about how you go from steel drums and percussion to. BANJOS HARMONICAS and violins. Without really any of the percussion that you heard in. Adventure land. It is is if familiarity most gus will have and and like you said those of us that live in the states will have that already. But then the instrumentation for those who don't have the that didn't grow up on home on the range in the classics juice the instrumentation brings you. They're also I think it's just a real clever way of getting you set into the mood and getting you the background and the back set and everything needs to say we've now left one period time we're in another period time. Again. Very, very clever cleverly done as you. You know, you're maybe three minutes into it and you're fully immersed into this new southbound that's that's coming at you. But like Terry said, it's so in in you know in the back that you, it's just happening your brain registers, but you may not register it type. Of thing as you're approaching as you see, splash splash an and and big thunder in the distance you know where you know now the story is beginning to be told these stories are beginning to be told so. and. If we're. The quiz essential. Music Represents Frontier Lynn best just for me. is on big. Vendor. I guess I'd really. We'll talk about bears later but I'm skipping splash just to go there first because I love and. Love Love Love, that music and The song all aboard the mine train I did not realize until I started taking notes for this I was like it's funny that that's called that and look at the copyright. Mrs Nineteen Sixty one. So now I'm confused and I'm like, okay, we need to look this up so I'm googling it and to find out that it was from Disneyland originally Mine Train through nature's wonderland I had no clue. From the other park. was like that is so cool. I love this. And that's just one of the songs that was written like I said written twentieth century but really gives the sense of that period and place right. So west side of the west side of the wide Missouri. Welcome back Richard and Robert Sherman Bango Old Betsy is George Brun Song. So a lot of these same thing and there's a lot of George bruns music that you'll find over by performed over by a country bear jamboree when we get to it as well And because frontier land is like a main street, it's like a Liberty Square. As you walk through, you are moving again through time and place to coming from where we're coming from heading frahm adventure tours Liberty Square, were moving through time and really going from the West to the east as the United States is sort of. Normally. I'd go for Liberty Square frontier who as we move West but sort of going backwards in time and you can you can. You can also see where you are geographically in the country right. So the Diamond Horseshoe Saloon would be a place. It's closer to Saint Louis as opposed to what you'd see big thunder mountain being farther out west, and so there's there's again there's that true. You know you can learn more about this in the Audio Tear Isla. Sang. At W. Radio, dot com, you can hear more about it there and here a lot of these songs too because. You'll hear different songs in different parts so you'll hear. Big Rock Candy Mountain over at Big Thunder Mountain new here Buffalo Gals and ghosts riders in the sky, and then you as you move more towards. You know other parts and move closer to Liberty Square and what really sort of moving closer to. The Mississippi that's where you'll start to hear some of you know you'll hear. Shenandoah and Marlin Clementine and some of these other songs as well. So there's ones that are specific to locations like there's Deep in the heart of Texas and yellow rose of Texas, very much establishment of where you are and then others that you can find throughout frontier. Splash mountain has its own set of songs currently associated with it as well. Yeah. Yes. I. Was GonNa say let's not leave south quite yet. The only one. Representing. I never I would never would have thought. I had no accident to speak of any WHO. Do love everything on mountain as going to try to say I should just name wine but you can't because all three of them Are, just every single one of them. I Love I love. I love how do you do? I love everybody has left in place. Everybody has a laugh in place. Let me just say okay. There you go. But I love and I think you know look at it as much. An not a discussion on song of the South or Splash Mountain I do. Love so much again of the background music there because there songs that. I heard as a kid growing up that have nothing to do necessarily with Disney. So there again, it I sort of go back to as I said earlier, this sense of comfort and the style and emotion when I hear you know a shoe Flyer, old MacDonald or some of these other songs that I heard growing up as a kid They're familiar to me not from their present in a Disney park if that makes any sense oh. Yeah and I think it does make sense. I again, not to get into sort of controversy but I think the thing I will miss the most about splash mountain is the score. And I'm glad that they're replacing it with a score that I absolutely love just as much. But I mean the the the great thing about Splash Mountain you get on the boat. Takes that little dip how do? You know you're you're kinda rough. What bad will happen. This is a happy song and then and then room on that wasn't too bad and we're in place, and then you know, and then the big drop happens and then again my wife and I are annoying everybody in the boat because we're singing at the top of our lungs zippy. Do you know not? Never ride with Dave and Terry at the same time. They had loved you ride with you. We did it'll be so much. Yeah Small. World we wrote together. Momentum. God. The whole boat was filled with momentum folks because I think we would've you know security security. But yes flash mountain. How do you not call that the jewel of when it comes to songs and we're talking about music debt is the jewel of land. I feel you know is perfectly placed songs. They're all happy. You forgot you got so scared going down that will get scared going down that thing but that's off this me I'm sure nobody else does at some. But so good. So good I'll miss that music is the best part and while I will miss it. I can't wait I. Love to write it with your wife. Kathy. Get ready to sing you almost there. Oh, I'm we built that one out I know that last seve is probably GONNA be. Going down the Bio and I think we'll be just as happy justice. Happy. Yeah, gets you excited for for what is to come from certainly just from a musical perspective. But yeah I mean. Look I love new. Orleans. Is One of if not my favorite city in. These wonderful United States and its due in large part. Yes. To the food but really also to the music and it's one of the reasons why a low of princess and the frog so much is because of not just the the you know the title tunes but the score for that film is also equally well. And I just want to add that. Hopefully, Randy Newman's could add some new music. Get his name to. Becoming up as we talk about the museum, the parks. More to go forward so Anything else in Frontierland. Get to country. Bear Jamboree. Gets US food he's starting to lose his mind. Here We're not gonNA talk about country. Something to eat Lou we'll sing it out. So. Again, you know look country bear generally and and we've talked about what this attraction was originally planned for in terms of. The. The ski resort now would eventually came to Walt Disneyworld and then to other parks as well. Again, exit ten CIO George Bruns. Created these new songs for these Singing bears to perform along with a couple of familiar songs, which again I think are helpful to ground people. Look I love blood on the saddle that detects were song on on the satellite. It was always one of my dad's favorites. As. Now, that one of the saddle is one of my favorites. Ruminate pretty also text renaissance man. But this is such like. If you sort of break them down other than Mama. Don't shoot little beaufort. Go. Fun. Fun and funny songs Yeah and I just you know if you sort of. I love the melody. But if you stop listen to some of the lyrics to I, think that's why attraction has not really changed very much since the park first open. For me my family we did travel a whole lot. We didn't take big trips and one of the first big trips that we took was with down in Disneyworld when it was just a magic kingdom and so if you WanNa, talk about the. Country Bear. Jamboree was the thing that I brought back most. That's that's the you know the whole thing and like you said blue blood on the saddle who was such a a memory, a defining moment memory. That's his big old Bayer. On the air you know it was like, how could you not? Forget forget that how and and but as I got older and we thought more some of the other songs. Are It's just so much fun is such a fun. I don't know Lou. How long does it fifteen twenty minutes now at now let's seventeen, but he's gone down hasn't. Brought it down. That's why I wasn't quite sure but it's just a rip I mean, you know, knee slapping. Show a fund shell and and and you're right loot. You know exit ten CEO at and George runs their handprints are over a lot of I'm looking through the list of songs now in in the the folks that that composed did and the just the their their classic they're they're so well done. It's tough to write A. Fun. Song. You, know with you know like that and these are well-crafted songs you know so and all the girls attorney. EARN ME ON. Little Buf-. All right I'm sorry. I got it. All trixie tears will be the chaser for your wine. Used to watch that little glass. Favorite. Song from Country Bear Jamboree. I'M GONNA be all weird and not say blood on the saddle because it is all the guys that turn me on turn on. That song. Eighty harmonize on only. Three part girl harmony may we cover to three parts? I'm probably going to get hate meal for this, but it's Mama. Joe flips little. I just a correction of every time every you have to just sort of take it as as being off light and fun and fanciful, and that's all but look over as an overall in terms of the land right and and just. In terms of again being from the United States, one of the reasons why love frontier land so much is the not just a unique songs were created for the attractions, but the familiarity and the wonderful arrangement of so many songs that we've known from growing up or from hearing. On Film on TV sometimes rearranged for this land using those. Basic instruments and again sort of that that comparing and contrasting the. Percussion, in adventure land being so prevalent and are basically being non-existent here in Frontierland is is an interesting contradiction. Yeah I mean you know? Musically speaking. Your. When you're dealing with percussion type things, your tone quality, your scales, whatever I don't WanNa get too technical here. You know you've got your xylophones but they're not as elaborate as as a Banjo Violin so. From a melody standpoint, this lance going to. Sing out more because the instrumentation using. Allow that. But then again, you know both that saying that eventually and. the the scorn land is in fitting for what it is but to your point Lou I think you're correct I think the music and frontier does kind of open things up because of the type of music most of its is upbeat. You know. Like I said like knee slapping and all that stuff and in it just it just pours out if you will. You know it just it just keeps you. It's just happy music. So I want to move to a place where? Maybe you can sing along quite as well as you could in frontier land and it's Liberty Square where again the background music is critical. In establishing. Time and place setting and I, hope you enjoyed part one of our musical tour of magic. 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Someone who would drop what they were doing in order to help someone else in need. Maybe someone came up against an obstacle or maybe someone was in trouble. Are the person i am talking about. And the person you should be thinking of in your life is someone that would stop and she would help that person having trouble. This week's true crime story is about a young woman who had no notice at all would take time from her own busy life to help another the young woman i am talking about has more kindness in her heart and soul than the average man or woman. Unfortunately the young woman in this week's true crime story vanished. Investigators are certain foul play a reason for her disappearance. What kind of a sick person would take advantage of this carrying young woman. Are what kind of evil do you have to have in your heart and your thoughts to set up an opportunity to seize and harm this good samaritan. Did this monster do this by chance. I think not as we go through this week's case. I think you will come to the same conclusion that we have someone so evil. Set her up. The abduction was all part of a plan to get the young woman alone away from others and to do the unthinkable. she didn't stand a chance. It was an ambush. It was a trap that she innocently walked right into never to be seen again. This is the case of danielle stis. Liqi and this is true crime garage. Daniel ancestors liqi looked younger than her years. She was vibrant young woman who loved life her family and her friends she is. The daughter of ann. Richards his liqi and the older sister to holly jillian and matthew danny as she was called grew up in redford michigan and graduated from redford union high. In two thousand and six. She went on to college but settled in the area. After graduation danny had an incredibly tight knit group of friends who called themselves. The redford girls and pretty much did everything together and knew everything about each other. The way old friends do even though they all went their separate ways for college. They remained very close. Not only socializing together but traveling together as well. Danny even went as far as india on one of her trips. She described herself as a cat lover. Foodie and into yoga. Her major goal was a modest and logical what she was looking to build herself a nice little house to live in everyone who her described her as happy and fun and the photos that i've seen her shows her. Well she's all smiles in two thousand and sixteen. Danny is twenty eight years of age and living alone in the independence green apartments near grand river avenue and hall. Stead road in farmington hills michigan. This is a suburb of detroit. Her parents lived about fifty. That's five zero minutes away and a much more rural area danielle and her mother and both worked at the same place which is met life insurance. This is a larger company that in two thousand sixteen was located just ten miles from danny's home and a large building on telegraph road in southfield. Danny whose title was global technology and operations associate worked on the fourth floor and her mom worked on the sixth floor. They saw each other often at their shared workplace and rarely met for lunch. People who worked with danny during her nine year tenure at metlife often volunteered to lead workshops or take on extra assignments danny was a reliable worker and she was genuinely sweet and helpful from what we could find. She had not one single person who had any kind of problem with her and as for her romantic life. Well there's not much to tell as far as we know. Danny was single at the time of these events having gone through all of her usual relationships and breakup that most people experience her parents describe her as an open book. She was very frank about life posting on social media and blogging regularly. Now a lot of times in these cases we see somebody was in and out of relationships or just out of a long term relationship. That doesn't seem to be the case. In this case on. Friday december second two thousand and sixteen danny was at work as usual. She was texting with one of her friends. Sara who was having a hard time with some personal issues danny was supposed to work into the evening as it was a friday and things were slow at work. She received permission to get out a little early. Danny and sarah made plans for that night. Danny texted her and said that she would go home after work. A bag and some other and then come over and the to go out get dinner and they would spend the night together. She told sarah she did have work the next morning again. That's that would be saturday as she was scheduled to lead an eight. Am training class. That would go until noon on that saturday but the two would have the night together. Hopefully this would take sarah's mind off of the things that were bothering her. And sarah expected danny at her place sometime in the early evening now. That text was the last time. Sarah heard from her friend. Danny when danny failed to show as heirs as plan. Sarah text and call danny numerous times. But the phone went directly to voicemail. Sarah finally fell asleep. She's a nurse who worked long hours so she was probably just tired and fell asleep while waiting for her friend when she woke up the next morning and still had heard no word from her friend. She became incredibly worried. Because danny would never ever just blow her off like this right. I mean at least senator tex. Hey i'm not feeling well or tired. I'm going to have to cancer plan. Sorry yeah these are old friends and let's keep in mind. They are hanging out for the purpose. That sarah is having some troubles some difficulties. She is going to go to her friend to be there for her friend. So danny not showing up. Not texting as you said. Captain not reaching out to give an explanation why this is completely and totally out of character. Sarah texts danny a number of times that morning saying things like where are you. And i'm worried even saying are you even alive which she was probably joking around out of frustration she then called one of danny's sisters who had not heard from her either so after spending a nervous day worrying about danny. Sarah decided to head over to danny's apartment to see what was up a sarah at the independence green apartments. This is at six pm on that saturday when she got there. She saw danny's vehicle. This is the two thousand and fifteen jeep renegade that was parked in. Its usual spa. Her parking spot danny's usual parking spot is just eight feet from the front door to danny's apartment right now just a quick brief description each apartment has its own door. The you don't you don't open up your door into a hallway and then have to walk through a hallway. A shared hallway out one single door. Each one of these apartments has its own front door and most of them. It appears to me. Captain would lead you out to the parking lot area and has said danny's front door is eight feet from where she would park her vehicle now trying to get a hold of her friend. Sarah went to danny's window. She's yelling through the window. She went and honked her horn or car horns several times she gets no response. She walked around to the back to the rear window of the apartment but saul no sign of anyone as she peered through the window. I think at some point she even through some rocks at a window to try to get thinking that maybe she felt that her friend fell asleep and just didn't wake up for her meeting. And i'm gonna throw some pebbles other window to see if i can wake her up. Yes she was really doing everything that she could to try to get in touch with her friend. Keep in mind. She arrives at the apartment sees her vehicle out front as usual. She has every reason to believe that. Danny would be inside of her. A part of what a great friend right. Because if i didn't show up somewhere that they wouldn't even call me the next day because it'd be thinking all that asshole the captain he stood me up. I'm not even going to check in on him. This friend goes above. And beyond. And says i'm gonna call. I'm gonna call her sister. Heck you're not returning my calls. I'm going to go there myself. And knock on the door myself. Yes she did everything but bus down the front door looking for her friend. Now when she can't get any answer. From danny sarah decides. Hey it's time that i need to alert. Danny's family keep in mind as we said earlier. Danny and her group of close friends. They've known each other since high school some before high school so sarah knows danny's family quite well as she's a longtime friend of danny's sarah spoke to danny's sister and asked her to tell danny's mother and that danny was missing in action and the stis ladies were very close to their daughter. They spent a lot of time with danny. They knew her patterns in routines and they recognized immediately that something was wrong. Keep in mind. We've already mentioned that. Her mother. anne. And danny they'll work in the same building right. Danny does not respond to any of the families taxed or calls. Either they decide. Hey it's time to call the police and the family they all star heading over to danny's apartment when they got there captain they observed as well danny's black jeep parked in her usual parking spot mud was splattered in encrusted. All over the bottom half of the black vehicle this is because the road to the stis liqi family home was a dirt road and the vehicle routinely got filthy as danny drove to visit her parents. The vehicle was locked and the door to the apartment was locked as well now. Her mother answers liquor called danny's grandparents riches parents. Her husband's had an extra key to the apartment. The police met them there at. The apartment took a report while they waited for this key to arrive. So this disease could enter. Danny's apartment this is like he's also called triple a. to open up the locked vehicle. The stis latkes were adamant that this be done because looking into the vehicle they could see danny's purse sitting in plain sight. Danny new not to leave her purse like everybody else knows not to leave their purser their wallet just sitting there inside your vehicle. Where would be thieves could see it. So this was a red flag for her family and her work bag containing her work. Laptop was also visible indicating that she had in fact probably come home after work. The car was opened in. Nothing seemed amiss. Other than the fact that danny's purse was inside the jeep inside the purse captain. We have danny's wallet that had cash in it. It also had her. Id and credit cards and the spare set of keys was in the glove box of the vehicle this is listed as where danny typically stored her spare set of keys right. The police left the area. And the stis lick ease having finally gotten the key to the apartment while they went in to snoop around and see what was up there. They found everything. Just as it seemed danny had likely left. The home went off to work. Left as usual nothing seemed to be wrong inside of the apartment. There was literally nothing that raised any concerns to our family. There was no forced entry. No signs of a struggle or robbery and to the family. It did not appear that anything really was missing. You know nothing of value especially there was no blood and no body inside the apartment and then your brain is it can go two ways. One can go to something really bad happened. Even there's no evidence of that or your brain can start going okay. well maybe. Her phone wasn't working so she couldn't get a hold of a friend and maybe she got in touch with somebody from work and they came to pick her up for this training session. Yeah i don't have any record of the family calling her work but because her mom worked for the same company she wouldn't have any trouble checking in on her daughter at work. You know sometimes sometimes you can't you can't just call someone's work and ask if they are there or if they didn't show up they they aren't so quick to offer up that information to somebody that they don't know but seeing how it would be family and family worked for the same company that the thing here is where you raise. The alarm is the purse and her work bag being in her vehicle. That seems totally out of the norm. For danny and then you get into the apartment and you don't see anything that raises any red flags immediately but we should point out. Danny describes herself as a cat lover. So of course she has a cat. Her name is adelaide and the cat had not been fed as far as the family could tell in the the cat appeared to be quite hungry so this was alarming to the family as well because now they're like well. We're concerned about this purse in her work bag being in her vehicle but it also does not appear that she's been home anytime to take care of. Her cat dow multiple red flags. There's really no way for the family to tell exactly when the last time danny had been at her apartment but again as you said multiple red flags the close Her jacket and boots that she wore to work on that friday. They could not find them in her apartment again. Something that women are way better than men at. I had a job with my father. He probably couldn't tell you what. I was wearing the lack stay. He saw me well in your closet much like ernest. You open it up and it's the same plaid shirt and pair of jeans. There's there's twelve. Different sets of very similar to bart simpson. Yeah so they're they're worried right so they call the police back to the scene and they wanna point out some things to the officers pointing out the danny was clearly missing so the police acknowledged that it did not seem that danny had ever made it into her apartment and the canine this time. They brought canines with them. Could not find her sent in the parking lot and it should be easy right. Captain you have the vehicle. Approximately eight feet from the front door to her apartment right. You don't have to imagine where you would start looking for her sent and they're not picking anything up yet. That's when i started getting pretty worried so we have bad news that it looks like this. Young woman is missing the good news that we can say for once. It seems like considering the the sheer number of cases that we've covered where the police dragged their feet ignore. The signs refused to get involved. Insist that the missing young person either ran away or self harmed and so on the farmington hills. Police department took immediate action in this case danielle's case was investigated as a very concerning missing persons case right from the get. Police issued a statement very quickly saying that danielle vanish. After last being seen leaving work on friday in the area of ten mile road and telegraph road and southfield and that they were asking for the public's help in quote four major categories. Are i number one. They wanted to know if anyone saw. Danielle leave metlife. That's her place of work around four thirty pm to five pm on december second. They included that. She was last seen wearing a royal blue winter jacket. Yeah because sense. We have her car at her apartment. That does not mean that she made it there and we have some evidence that maybe she didn't make it there even though her vehicle did so now we have to go back and figure out. Did somebody actually see her. Leave the building right now number two they wanna know if anyone saw danielle driving her jeep renegade on december second or the following day december. Third the police chief specifically said that they wanted to know when her jeep arrived back at her apartment. We should note that the apartment complex that these buildings they had no surveillance cameras so again as you just pointed out captain. They're just really trying to figure out the movements of danielle and if they can't figure out danielle's movements they want to at least figure out the move manson the timing of such for her jeep renegade now items. Three and four are kind of lumped together. The police said that they were looking for. Danny's keys now. The keys would be noticeable. Because they had a yellow smiley face figurine on the key chain and they were also looking for her samsung galaxy. Phone which was in a rose colored case so it appears that her keys and our phone. Danny are the only things that they believed to be missing. Two of the did any type of phone tracking. Yeah there was some phone information and we're going to get into that now. When police are asking the public for help of course they released photos of all of these items so people could see exactly what they were seeking so this would be a photograph of the jeep renegade for its movements as well as a photograph of danny of course but also a photograph of her phone and the keys and the police also referred to a ten thousand dollar reward that was put together by the family for information on danny's whereabouts the description given of danny at this time captain was a young white woman with brown medium length. Wavy hair often worn in a bun. She was five feet five inches tall and weighed about one hundred and twenty to one hundred and twenty five pounds. She was wearing blue jeans. A black zip up shirt a blue. Eddie bauer coat and burgundy boots starting on sunday morning. Okay so as far as we know here. Captain saturday is when everybody starts getting really worried about danny so now we are at sunday morning about twenty four hours after everybody is extremely concerned about where their daughter sister and friend could be starting on that sunday morning searches of places that danny was known to frequent commenced while detectives processed the apartment and danny's vehicle looking for clues flyers with danny's face and information were circulated. It was confirmed that there were no there was no movement of any kind of her financial accounts during the time of concern and her phone continued to be off. Shut off a massive snowstorm in the week after danny vanish really really hampered early searches and this is just one of those unfortunate things that rarely occurs. But we've seen this in some other cases where mother nature just does not agree with with allowing you to conduct a good thorough search. This is some heavy snowstorms but over the next few months exhaustive widespread searches for her inc aerial resources. Dive teams ground searches with canines and so on and the areas that they were looking for her included. Detroit lavonia highland park farmington hills berkeley royal oak in other areas of wayne and oakland county. So we're talking about a massive area that was covered in the next few months and early on they were even checking dumpsters and following trash routes looking in landfills for danny now unfortunately danny's body has never ever been located and i wonder with law enforcement of the had some kind of lead or tip to look out into these areas or if it was just we don't know where to look so we will look everywhere that people will the on tier or we can get resources to yeah. I don't know it could have been as simple as hey. Let's start with point a. And then we expand from there and the search just kept growing and growing when they didn't uncover anything so what we have well. We have a caring beloved young woman who was reliable dependable and really just utterly normal in every sense with no known. Risky behaviors issues. Dangerous habits or enemies who uncharacteristically did not show up for an appointment with a friend in need and then the following morning mist work. 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Danny's for as you had suggested here is what they were able to determine on december second. Danny's phone paying off of tower indicating that at four forty seven pm. It was very likely that her phone was in or at the metlife building where she worked on telegraph road ping showed that the phone then moved east starting at four forty eight arriving at a location in berkeley at five zero seven pm now. We talked about those searches earlier. And you'll wonder how quick they had this phone information when they were conducting their searches and determining what areas to search right. The phone continued to paying off of this same tower. Okay arriving at that location in berkeley around five zero seven pm. The phone continued to paying off of this same tower servicing this area of berkeley until seven fifty three pm so just a little shy of three hours. They believe they're her phone to be in this general area ram so tell me when the started picking their at one time okay. So they have her phone. They believe her phone was at work near her work building. At four forty seven and then it began to move away from the work building at four forty eight and arrived in a location in berkeley at five. Oh seven pm. It stayed in this area until seven fifty three pm so just shy of three hour and we don't have any text message to her friend during that time period last text message was and the four. Pm hour right yeah. That's the thing. her her last communication is to her friend. Hey i'm gonna get a bag. I'm gonna swing by my house. And then i'll. I'll meet you at your place and that seems to be the actual last communication that danny made with anyone and that would be communications. She made her friend as she's leaving work. It seems like yeah later in the day shortly before leaving and so they're able to tracker phone even though it does not appear that she's using it to communicate with anybody during this three hour time period. Now seven fifty. Three danny's phone began to move again paying off towers as it traveled westward arriving in the area of her apartment building at eight sixteen pm. And i wanna point some things out here. We're we're citing these times right down to the minute but we're doing so because the times all match up with what would be a very direct route from each of these locations So when we cite a time of arriving in the vicinity of her apartment at eight sixteen that means that that phone traveled in the direction that is the most common route the fastest route that one would go from that area berkeley over to her apartment. It seems like the phone was shut off. After arriving in the area of her apartment building at eight sixteen pm and the phone according to the records that were cited. That i've seen was never never came back online after eight sixteen pm Our going to save right off the bat here. This is not one of those usual missing persons cases. Some of those frustrating ones that we've covered before you know you. Could you could reference. Brian shea for or brandon lawson where there are no clues whatsoever to what happened to the missing person. In in daniels is lychees case. The police almost know exactly what happened to her and when it happened to her and maybe even how it happened to her and then of course who did it. The only thing they do not know is where danny's body is right but it's also not a missing person case where they have to think. Did she run away to want to start a new life. your do. was she suicidal. That was nothing that they had to really focus on from beginning. No because in this case as set in the trailer police arrived at the conclusion very quickly that this showed woman vanished because foul play was involved right and the detectives and the police did some really great work investigating this case. This is some of the better Police work that that we've seen that we will be discussing As we go through this case now we should probably put in a caveat here because all of the things that we're going to stay are there simply alleged But thanks to a very thorough televised preliminary examination in this case. We have a very good idea of what the state of michigan case is against the suspect whom they allege killed danny with premeditation and then disposed of her body somewhere and we also believe that. There's some more information that law enforcement has that they haven't obviously shared that will be positive in their case against his individual going forward. Yeah so here's what happened. Let's say right and this is again. It's all alleged so at this point it's still theory but as you will hear as we go through this there is evidence to back up certain items along the way on this theory so let's all join hands and walk together down this path in army fashion. Kuma danny was at work. On friday december second two thousand and sixteen and she made plans with her friend sarah to have dinner and sleep over at shares place after work. Danny usually got out of work between five and five thirty pm but as we said it seems that on this friday. She managed to get permission to sneak out a little early. Her phone was in the area of her workplace at four. Forty seven but at five. Oh seven just twenty minutes later. It was paying off a different tower several miles away in the berkeley area. Then it returned to the area of her apartment before vanishing from the network at eight. Sixteen that night. After danny was reported missing police set about interviewing her friends family and colleagues this involved sending a team to her workplace met life insurance. They needed to determine whether she had left work that day as her phone indicated and then when she laughed and whether she was alona when she laughed at metlife police interviewed a woman named debbie. I am she guessing captain. She's related to the the much more famous. Sam i am Daniels does lay on either one of them like green exam. Bright day deals does. Liqi was debbie's trainer and according to debbie was a bit of a mentor now. Debbie told police that she and danny left the metlife building at the same time on that friday afternoon. Okay so they. They're walking out of the building and this is a big beautiful building. Looks very traditional in the office. Sanson it spills out into this very large parking lot. So the two of them leave through you know. Leave out the building at the same time and they parted ways out the front door. But they both you know. They're both walking toward their vehicles that are parked in the front lot of this building. So even though they've parted ways they can still see one another but once debbie was at her vehicle she looked over and observed. That danny did not walk to her jeep. Danny for whatever reason walked over to a vehicle that was sitting in the law and this vehicle had its hood up so debbie could see her friend danny talking to a man who appeared to be the owner of the vehicle. The had the hood up right. Debbie identified the car as a dark gray late model. Buick debbie wasserman is danny chatted with the man who debbie describe as a black man about five foot eight inches tall dressed in a suit the to appear to know one another according to debbie and in fact debbie recognized him from around the building. This is also not a parking lot that just random people would parking so you have a car with its hood up. You don't think that the person was there that parking lot to go to walmart or to go somewhere else if you're in that parking lot you're pretty much gone to that insurance agency. Well and here's the difficult thing here as well captain with this. I witnessed statement. And god. Bless debbie for her wonderful information. This is a pretty thorough eyewitness cow. She is saying to police that. I recognize the man that danny was talking to from around the metlife building. Right what is not what we cannot discern one hundred percent from. This is if she recognized him by name. Okay so i think we have here. And i think this is is very important to to key in on from all of the reports i saw. It does not sound to me. Like debbie knew the name of this man other than saying. I believe i've seen him in the metlife building or recognize him from work. I just don't know his name again. This is a large office building. There's a lot of people that work there. Yeah i believe. He said that the mother worked on the sixth floor. But i don't remember how many floors total they had in this building but from seeing pictures and seeing video i mean this is a this is a complex right right and because debbie said the one she recognized the man and to the man and danny appear to know one. Another this is. She's just gauging this from observing their conversation she decided it's okay to leave in had out. She had places she needed to go so everything seemed to be fine and she said all right. Well i i took off. That was the last time that debbie ever saw danielle steele. A police spoke with a metlife employee. This is another employee. His name was brandon williams. He was a coworker of danny's and said that the two were friendly they they knew each other somewhat. Although they did not socialize outside of work he said that he left a few minutes after danny did on that friday. She said goodbye to him on her out. A brandon's car was parked in the back lot behind the building. So danny's jeep is parked in the front law and remember. She's last seen by her friend. Debbie talking to a man in the front lot. Where brandon is parked in the back lot behind the building so he leaves and by the time he got his car and drove around to the road outside the front of the building. This this would be several. Minutes would have elapsed by this point but he says that he pulled up to a stop. Sign or stop light at the intersection. I'm not sure if it's a stop sign or stoplight. But he pulls up to the intersection. Brandon was in the left lane and next to his car was danny's vehicle was also stopped at the same intersection. But she's in the right lane. You know how you have Two lanes and sometimes one makes you go one direction in the other lane will force you to go a different direction. The cars are right next to one another heading out of the parking lot. The right lane headed north onto telegraph road in the left lane. Headed south. a brandon said danny was driving the vehicle and a man he recognized from the metlife life. Work building was in the passenger seat brandon. The eyewitness says that this was some time around five. Pm on that. Friday brandon is the last person who is known to have seen danny. Okay so police have two witnesses. Who saw danny in the company of a black man. They both recognized as someone they saw around their work building. Who was it. So detectives said later that they became aware of this man on december. Sixth by this time danny was missing for four days. This likely means that by the six they had received the to witness statements naming the man seen with the in the parking lot but they were left scratching their heads when they discovered that the man seen with danny was not an employee of met life. And as the captain said this is not really a parking lot where one would just find themselves you. This would be the destination you would expect. Only see people working in that building or working for metlife in that large parking lot. The man we're talking about was once employed there but he no longer worked in the building. There was no reason for this man to be in the met life parking lot on december. Second two thousand and sixteen. The man's name was floyd galloway junior. Now why did he stop working at metlife. So let's let's get into who he is and he did work there as you said what he did while he worked there. And then we'll get through The the short answer of why he no longer worked there was these. Larger buildings are usually typically under under property management companies that will manage the building the grounds and in the daily activities and such so hit. The company he worked for was contracted to work in that building. Well when the building switched ownership or management companies the company he worked for was no longer contract it to work in that building. So floyd russell galloway junior was born on january twenty third nineteen eighty seven. He attended shrine. High school in royal oak played basketball and football. He was relatively quiet and did not get into any trouble at all. I could find. We know that. At the time. Daniel vanish floyd was married for about four years to a woman named eilene galloway. Who was who was a mechanical engineer. The couple lived at twenty nine ten oxford street in berkley michigan. There's that berkeley again. Floyd was employed by a security contractor and was either taking classes to become certified or already was certified as an emt and volunteer. Firefighter is a pretty big guy. Pretty well in shape yeah. He's not he's not particularly tall described about five foot eight five foot nine but yeah you're right he's in he's in very good physical shape and it appears that he you can. You can look at the guy and you have to believe. He's got a gym membership. Now floyd and danny met through floyd's employment as a contractor for the company that provided security for the metlife building Floyd's job was to man the desk and the front entrance to the metlife to sign in visitors. You know you check. Id's monitor the parking lot. And there's a lot of other duties ago in into that as well. But that's a general description of his job. Various people told police. That floyd was interested in danielle. Danny was one of those nice young women who is friendly to everyone that just our nature and if he you know we have people saying that he's interested in her if he made advances or flirted with her she very likely was too polite to shutdown unwanted environmental very face and and has a nice smile. And and so you can see a guy go okay. Well this girl they could have locked eyes or something and she was just trying to be polite and maybe smiled at him. And then this guy goes okay war on a security guard here now. I got a pass by her desk. As many times as i can a lot of those large buildings that you work in you never talk to the security guards directly unless there's an issue well. I always liked working in those large buildings because they feel like their own small little version of a city. You know they usually have some place to e in there and you. You have people that work in all different areas. But you're all forced to be in this building together at about the same time so you you exchange pleasantries in niceties with people throughout your day. That's that's part of the corporate game. Now as all of our listeners will recall and stas liqi. danny's mom worked in the same building. She said that she found floyd. She she knew. Floyd was to always be professional and friendly saying quote. Floyd was very friendly and approachable. To many many people in that building and quote. This is what she told the detroit news. As part of his job floyd's job. He would watch employees particularly female employees as they walked to their vehicles at night to make sure that they made it to their vehicle safely. The only thing an dan. He's mom thought. That was odd about floyd. Was that he you know he supposed to be manning the desk but she said he was always kind of wandering around particularly when she and danny were having lunch in the fourth floor cafeteria graham. He was the only security guard who ever came up there. According to an and it happened so often and it constantly seemed to be. When danny was on her lunch break floyd was friendly and would come up in conversation but again and found this to be awed and noted an instance on october twenty eighth two thousand fifteen so this would be more than a year before danny went missing when danny had received a surprise bouquet of flowers on her desk now there was a no reason on a yellow sticky. That said you know one of those yellow coast. Doubts dallas not caused a sticky. That's what we used to call him at the. Yeah hand me a sticky. Thank you so this said on the yellow sticky it said from secret. Hope this made you smile today. And it was unsigned and thought it was a little creepy because outside deliveries to employees were not permitted at their desk. So i'm sure a lot of our listeners are very familiar with this setup if you work in one of these large buildings if a delivery from outside of the building were to arrive. It's usually kept in held somewhere for you to come down and pick up. It's right it's held at the front desk. And who is manning the front desk or the mail room. This building had a mail room so it could have been held in the mail. Ru how it got past security and who's most likely to deliver this the guy that stopped him by her desk every day. Well and of course what an is going to put together captain. Is that the the flowers. Arriving to danny's desk meant that. Someone in the building was danny secret. Admire right it. The the the the flowers came from someone in the building at the time. No one including an suspected floyd galloway of being the person to give these flowers to danny. But and said that danny most definitely did not have a relationship with floyd galloway. In fact it sounds like an was made aware by danny. Danny thought that he she was a little creeped out by an. She noted that he would loiter near her cubicle constantly. Trying to make conversation with her which was not part of his job at all. Man this did not go unnoticed by danny and at some point she communicated this to bother baen. It's also weird when you're in such a big building like that. I used to working presort mail building so everybody had their own stations and we work pretty far from each other. I'd say fifteen feet at least and you'd have stark people that would come up to individuals throughout the day. And you might have a buddy. That was became friends with the stock guy and the stock guy would just drop by to talk about a monday night football or whatever and same way with security guards but if they stopped by a couple of times for friendly conversation not a big deal but when it's A guy that seems to be flirting with you That would get pretty uncomfortable. When police processed danny's apartment they found some things of interest. One was this note from the secret admire that was taken into evidence of course and they found danny's old phone so it sounds like danny was in the habit of using prepaid phones. It's not really clear. Why but one who knew her. Well posted that there was absolutely nothing nefarious about this. When when we think of people you know that when we talk true crime captain and we think of prepaid cell phones of good activities For that cell phone but this was just a personal preference of danny's i should point out you know. Some people have been burned by cell phone companies cellphone service providers where you get a bill for five or six or seven hundred dollars that will break the bank so to speak and so to police themselves. Some people will use a prepaid cell phone so they don't go over there limit or they don't find themselves in a situation. Yeah or if she had really bad credit might not have been able to get a phone so this is another way. She got it so this old phone that they find in her apartment. It contained a series of tax messages. Between danny and floyd and this was from the fall of two thousand and fifteen so again a little more than a year before she went missing. Keep in mind. Danny worked in this building for the same company for over nine years. Yeah here is a shortened version of those texts. This starts on october. Twenty third captain from floyd to danny. How is the new place coming along. Danny responds good. Still getting settled in. May i ask who this is. Floyd tha any. It's floyd silly. i thought you had me saved. And then he sends a frown face. Danny says i did. I lost my old phone one week later on october. Thirtieth floyd to danny haya danny replies. Hi what's up. Floyd says nothing. Just seeing how you're doing. Danny says i'm good preparing for class tomorrow. Danny says hey by any chance. Did you send me flowers. Floyd says nope. I don't know anything about any flowers. Was your birthday or something special happened this week. Danny no just showed up on my desk. And i can't figure out who sent them. Ha ha ha floyd. Well since it's friday. And i'm bored l. o. l. You have any plans tonight. question mark. Danny i'm supposed to go to friends. Thirtieth birthday party tonight. But i'm not sure when i'm getting out of work still frown face. Floyd well tell work piece out and let's pre-game before you go out. He sends the wink emoji. I i have this all really neat drinking game you might like. You're welcome to come over to my place if you want to guys tool. I'd love to this danny replying but already going to be late. Since i'm leaving now and it started at six thirty october thirtieth the day that floyd was texting on this same day on the thirtieth floyd invited danny to come over to his home to play a drinking game. I want to throw out there. Note that that was floyd's wife's birthday this guy's a piece of shit sandwich. So floyd tried once more to text danny. According to the old phone asking her on november twenty first what she was up to that evening now there are no more text between the two of them then appeared on that old phone. Police were able to determine that on danny's new phone which we should point out has never been found. There were four taxed between floyd and danny in april of two thousand and sixteen however their content is unknown. Police may know what those messages were. We don't know it's not been released to the public. But somehow they changed numbers some at some point they exchanged yes and we don't know exactly how that came about. Did floyd give her his number. You can imagine any number of ways that he could have gave her his number again. It does not appear that that. If in fact floyd was interested in danny which it appears to be that way it does not appear that danny shared the same interest so clearly we have floyd. Who's interested in danny. There's nothing that look. This would be nothing. That every single dog woman has not had to deal with the workplace or school or somewhere else you know someone who exhibits interest in her than she does not reciprocate and she's too polite to firmly just shut it down what an but becomes a becomes a lot harder for her because of his position one. If it was her boss would probably even harder. But he's security guard He's almost somebody that light. He's obviously based on what her mother is saying is not staying in his area so he can swing by and talk to her whenever he wants. Yeah and atop that off. I mean this is going to be somebody that you're going to see every day so being outwardly. Rude to somebody usually is not a great idea for somebody that you're going to have to be around day after day after day so a lot of our our lady listeners out there know exactly what we're talking about here tapped and ninety nine percent of the time you the guy is harmless. You know who's who's flirting or or whatever but the other one percent of the time these seemingly harmless crushes well. Anybody that's got the channel we'll tell you they can turn into obsessions. Look a happens to men too but the threat level isn't there. You might work in a an environment where some girl comes by your desk a couple times a week to say hello and and and try to get her flirt game on. You don't feel threatened in any way. But i can't imagine what women have to go through on a daily basis at working at times everywhere else now. One thing about floyd they cause some serious concern to investigators was in december of two thousand sixteen. Remember floyd did not work at the metlife building any longer. In fact he had not worked there since october when the building had been sold in the new management company hired a different security company. So they're asking themselves. We got two people. This say floyd was the man at the vehicle in the suit in the parking lot. In december of two thousand sixteen. What on earth was floyd galloway doing at metlife as danny happened to be walking out of work on that friday on december sixth after having received floyd's name from the witnesses at met life police went to his home address again. This is twenty nine ten oxford street and berkeley. No one was home so they went to his work. He was contracted out by his employer. The security company to provide security at american axle and rot in rochester hills on weekdays from three pm to eleven pm. Police went there and found floyd there with his dark grey. Buick part in the law. Now remind you that it's the same description that was given by are one witness dahbi. Who saw a man with the hood up at the metlife parking lot. The car had a temporary plate. I don't fully understand this portion of captain. But i'm going to go through it any way. The temporary plate police discovered that his wife had recently taken possession of this vehicle at a dealership on november. Twenty eighth the day. She entered the okay. So i i i now fully understand is just. The wording is weird. This vehicle did not belong to floyd per se. It was in his wife's name the vehicle was used but it was new to the both of them. And that's why. I had the Temporary plate because she had recently purchased it from a dealer in late november now. His wife went into the hospital around the same time. Floyd told police he did in fact know danny but he hadn't seen her in months which would line up with him not having worked at metlife for matz jam. But it doesn't line up with the to eye witnesses correct. He said that a friend told him about her disappearance and detectives noted that he would not look at them during questioning during this time where they. They talked to him at his work. He would only glanced at the flyer with danny's photo and the detective say that floyd's hands were shaking while he was talking to them when asked about his wife. Floyd told them that his wife eileen had cancer and she was in the hospital for an extended stay receiving at a cancer center in detroit and he called into his work on december. First calling out sick calling in and saying. Hey i'll be i'm sick and i'm not coming in the next day. Which would be december second. Of course this is the same day. That danny stas licking vanished. So he's unaccounted for. As far as his work is concerned as you pointed out we have the eye witness accounts of him being seen at the metlife building where he did not work around five pm on the day. That danny went missing on. It's a big red flag. I mean if it's just like when they have a cell phone ping into house and the girl goes missing but they have a cell phone ping into a guy's house and then they stopped by the guy's house and go. Do you know Debbie no has she ever been to your house. Nope that's the big red flag. And here's this guy going. I haven't seen earn months. But we got to eye witnesses. That put you in that parking lot. you're not looking as the is. You're shaking these are these are big red flags and i like that you point out Into someone's house that we have a cell phone that we can pinpoint to the point of knowing that it was in someone's house that is not the case here in danny's case because of the timeframe that we're talking about but we've covered some cases and in certain areas. This is a this is a warning for any would be attackers out there out. Good and how far advanced technology is getting against these offenders. In these horrible people there are certain areas that today have technology that can triangulate and pinpoint phone signal to the point of if if someone has a slightly larger than normal boehner lot property size where they can go not only. Was this cell phone on the property. From this time to this time we believe it was inside the home from this time to this time which fascinating stuff as far as how we are detecting offenders and preventing crime in in finding victims as well. One technologies is going to keep getting better. So we're gonna get more detailed reports and the future so after this conversation with police floyd immediately lawyered up and afterward he refused to talk about danny at all all this was enough for police to obtain a search warrant for floyd's home which was executed the next day on december seventh. The search warrant was secret and not reported by the media and all a second search was conducted on the same premises. But this would be on december twenty second and this search. The media was onsite and articles started appearing in the press linking a former security guard to daniels. His leakey's investigation. So what does that mean. What it means is floyd galloway was not named by name in the papers. At that time they were simply referring to him. As a former security guard has been linked to the danielle stays leaky investigation. What was observed. Though captain was police were seen removing a mattress and floorboards from the galloway home they impounded a total of three vehicles and collected close to three hundred items of evidence over the course of several searches as we now know upwards seventy eight seven eight search warrants were granted and executed in this case sources told the media that the searches were targeting areas that floyd was known to frequent like areas near his church school. His parents home and so on the neighbors reported to police that they had not seen floyd or his wife much. Since around the time of danny's disappearance this is because as soon as the unannounced searches of their homes started floyd and eileen who eileen remember. She got out. She was in the hospital but got out of the hospital on sunday night. They moved to her parents home in royal oak. A one wonders what floyd told. His family was the reason behind all of this interest. The police interest in him eventually. Both his home and floyd parents home were searched as well. Both families continued to support floyd during this time. Meanwhile searches for danny continued all in all farmington. Police consulted more than twelve law enforcement agencies and this included but was not limited to the fbi michigan state police. The secret service as well as us customs and border patrol. So what they're doing here captain. Is there really circling the wagons. To make sure they leave no stone because what they wanted to do is to verify that danny did not leave the country. The in fact something had happened to her. The foul play was involved in. That is the reason for her disappearance. Authorities assured everyone that they were utilizing special resources offered by these larger more well funded in resource rich larger police policing agencies and a december seventh press conference the farmington hills. Police stated that they did not believe danny left of her own accord. Her parents pleaded for information. They showed photos of danny what she was wearing that day her missing keys and phone in her jeep in hopes that someone might have seen something. The independence green apartment complex and met life company. Each put up a fifty thousand dollar reward for information and by mid december the reward was supplemented by the family and others to exceed one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars but the news unearthed by the investigation behind the scenes was not good on december. Nineteenth two thousand sixteen the farmington hills police department announced that based on evidence gathered. They believe. Danny was the victim of foul play the original classification of the case as a missing person was now a criminal investigation. Her family publicly stated that they believe that danny was abducted. They were right and things. Were only going to get worse guys so much for joining us here in the garage joining us each week so much more to get to tomorrow for all of our old episodes check us out on stitcher premium and also check out our bonus show on stitcher premium off the record and until tomorrow be good. Be kind and don't litter her.

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"The Paul finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the Capital, One sabre card earned four percent cash back on dining and entertainment, two percent of grocery stores, and one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms apply. Cried passion, and patterns re of college football leaves here. The is the Paul finebaum show. Best of podcast. Very good afternoon. We have made it to another week, the last full week of June a lot going on, and we will get started immediately. If not sooner. Yeah. As we were wrapping up on Friday afternoon, this drop ironically, after everyone had gone home for the day, US feud here, dismissing wide receiver Holloman after an incident that had occurred more than a year. Earlier, bringing a lot of questions to just when did you know, and, and what made their decision final Friday night for guardless. They are without their best wide receiver heading into the nineteen season. Meanwhile, it's very sad news to pass along Gary Pinkel who stepped down at Missouri. A couple of years ago due to cancer had apparently beaten the cancer. And now we learn sadly, that the cancer has reoccurred. We certainly are thinking of coach in his family at this very difficult time. Meanwhile this. Came up on our program about scheduling, we put up a chart that showed it wasn't easy for Alabama to schedule. But they still had one of the worst, if not worse, schedule in the country, that tweet got a lot of play, and Greg Byrne, the athletic director, something unusual. Maybe not too wise. He responded on Twitter, cease alert wrote about it yesterday in his column and I understand some of the frustration by by eight people they do, get Georgia on the on the conference schedule the next couple of years. The problem is they're non conference schedule. There's no cheeses and Greg Byrne can. Crag back at anyone he wants on Twitter. But all he does is makes the example of their schedule this year even worse. So we'll get into that a little bit. Of course, your phone calls, of course, but tonight at seven pm the college World Series we're down to two teams one from the SEC, of course Vanderbilt and Michigan, one of the last teams to get in, and I was thinking today talking to Danny, and Mark. Do we know anyone at Michigan? Yes, we do. We know Jim Harbaugh. Two years ago called me, Pete finebaum. In this tweet. He said Pete finebaum. The unabashed SEC water carrier really needs to get his facts, straight hash. Mark #alternativefacts but that was a big story. And since then we've still been trying to work out a conversation between the two of us. And I thought you know what we to have a friendly robbery hero. It's ever friendly bet. And I just put out this tweet a moment ago with the SEC facing Michigan and the college World Series finals friendly challenge in my good friend, Jim Harbaugh, if you m wins, I'll wear a Charles Woodson, there's some significance to that. If you live. In big orange country. Jersey to one of your practices. If in win the vandy boys when you become an SEC water carrier for a day. So we just put this tweet out a minute ago, and I've been doing to beginning of the show. I have we heard from coach Harbaugh Mark, Danny anything, any news from Ann Arbor. No nothing yet nothing yet from coach. Okay. Well, I mean, you, do you know how difficult it would be for a Tennessee graduate to head to Michigan wearing a Charles Woodson jersey anyway, we've got the two water jugs, right here, by the table. In case it listen, I'm an optimist. And I think being the competitive person that Jim Harbaugh is he will respond. I mean, this is not stupid. We're not bidding helmets or hats or. You know, a product of Nashville country music album versus some export of Michigan. By the way, does Michigan have an export? Danny your smart guy. Marcus smart guy, do they have anything in, in Ann Arbor, to that's, that's a suburb of Detroit is dead. Have anything up there that I would want or you would want. I'll just going to say eighty fourth round draft picks, but kid rock album kid rock albums. But I found out actually Harbaugh's actually trying to respond. He's on Twitter. Desperate searching for Pete finebaum right now. Right. Well, listen. I I don't really first of all, I don't have to worry about going up there. Vanderbilt going to win probably wrap this thing up in two games or the best team in in baseball Michigan's good. I'm I've been a fan and the, the Vanderbilt Michigan. Access is pretty pretty pretty strong. But I hope he responds. I think it'd be great for, for sports to have Jim Harbaugh have some fun for once in his life anyway. Let's get to the calls at eight five five to four to seven to eight five. We have a big guest list as well. St. Berkowitz from USA today, he'll join us in a few minutes. And what about the HP he returns to the show talking season after all, and Jeff Boers Zillow is there realignment in the wind just because you con- is changing conferences, or is that much ado about nothing? You can call us now. Eight five five two four two seven two eight five eight five five two four to seven to eight five one of the story. We'll get to later in the show, and that's what's going on. At Auburn university you may have seen another news dump late. And I mean very late like close to midnight on Friday night. It was reported that Steve least the president of Auburn is out, pretty much run out by the board of trustees. Why is that significant? He is the man. He is the man who gave Gus malzahn that seven year, forty nine million dollar contract pretty much going against the wishes of the board of trustees. He had one, one critical in keyboard member on his side. Now he is out J Gucci. Former president who retired three years ago, has been brought back to clean up the mess and what it means to the athletic department. Any buddies gas, but we'll get your calls on that as well, it eight five five two four two seven two eight five star with rock in Columbus. Georgia. Rocker I had. Ball. You don't today. We are doing great. Thank you. That is good as good. Look a little bit frustrated. But at the same time, it seems like it's just every year, somebody from UTA has the has a I guess, not clearly thinking or whatever with the situation with today, holliman. Now, my thing is that they obviously, I got two questions. One thing that they already know this previously or did this something that just popped up and seemed like that? You know, you kinda find out something like this within a whole year in for now just to react at it. Now is boom. Like that's why I've got a Little Rock. I, I don't know the answer. I'm I'm waiting for someone from Georgia. Maybe give us some more information we had a bunch of people on Friday night at the time. Nobody really knew. It's hard for me to believe that this incident went unnoticed by Georgia. Right. But I don't know. Okay. And then the second part was, I would, I would I would say what anybody else would disagree with saying, Kirby's needs to be held to a standard, which he's been doing an excellent job as compared to mart was his recruiting the, the records of kind of eerily. Similar kind kinda hose me to the fire. When people say, well, we ought to give in a bit of doubt. Now true. Enough back coaching decisions in the playoff game. I mean with the Desa championship game and with the SEC championship game, but I like to tell the fans that, you know, we need stuff getting into relaxed mode and say and everything's going to be fine. I mean some things are just obvious hopefully that he can learn from these mistakes that he's done. But my sense is I'm just trying to ask you what do you think as far as going ahead? You think that maybe this is our year? Or maybe we have maybe two or three years, still, I'll rock from actually, the answer is I don't know. Thanks for the call on paper. I think Georgia has as good a team has had. In memory, but really kind of Alabama season last year comes down to a couple of plays in Georgia's case, I think they have a real really good shot of running the table during the regular season so can beat Alabama. Comes down to that really to two years in a row. They haven't been able to. But that may change anyway, a lot to do on the program. Look forward to talking to you here and give us a ring at eight five five to four to seven to eight five we have a lot to do today. Still no word from Jim Harbaugh. So anyone has seen coach Harbaugh today. Either hit us up on the phones or a Twitter. We would like to know where he is. And what is he doing because this bets on as far as we're concerned to listening to Paul finebaum show podcast? We are covering one of these most interesting stories. Including this one from USA today. California schools could be banned from championships. Bill isn't dropped. This is a likeness situation. See Berkowitz great reporter investigative journalist for USA today has looked into this and we are going to try to get him. To explain really what it's all about. See, thanks so much. I'm glad we got you a smart journalist, because I can't figure this thing out. Thanks for the time. We'll well, first of all, thanks a lot for saying that I'm smart. Well, it doesn't people out there, who would take issue with this. I being a former newspaper guy, I think, well, I was about to correct myself. I was I think the fact that you're, you're in the business and still working and gainfully employed makes you very smart. Because most of us are still working. Those of us who are still busy to say you're the one he's very smart. But you, you are smart enough to, to get a bigger title than than a lot of us on the on the editor oral row of big involved with projects and other things. Anyway, I'll, I'll mean not being too smart. I'm going to defer to you now in maybe if you wouldn't mind Steve take us through how we got to this point. And what does it really mean? Sure. I mean, what, what started as, as a as a Bill in the California state Senate, the intent of which is to give athletes at public and private colleges in the state of California, the ability to get money from the use of their own name, image, and likeness, that's the basic, that's the basic thrust and the basic intent of the Bill. And what has happened is that the Bill has made its way made its way through the state Senate legislative process through consideration of committees and some amendments, and then it was voted on by the full Senate, and it was approved by thirty one to four margin. And it is now gone to the state assembly where it again, is starting to go through the assembly committee process and tomorrow, one of the two committees that initially have to deal with the Bill is holding a hearing and is scheduled to vote on whether to advance the Bill. So as we as we go down legislative chaos here if this thing goes through the NCW has warned about allowing is it. Oh, is it all teams to participate in, in the NCAA tournament? Well, I mean, any any team where an athlete would really if you were to game this out any athlete, or any, any athlete who would be making money off of their name, image and likeness under would be allowed by California law. But barred under the NCWA rules would risk their eligibility and therefore the eligibility. You know, the, the eligibility of team though where you have sanctions against the team or whatever. I mean if you were to game this all out. So that's what that's what this is, is coming down to. And, you know, the letter that Mark Emerson to the chairs of the two committees in the assembly that are to be the first ones to take this up. You know, it didn't say exactly those words, he didn't say if this then that, what the what the letter said, was that Indian pairs the NCAA ability to hold you know, fair national championships. And I think you know, it's a fair reading of this, if you read between the lines, what the NC double A is getting at now, if the Bill were to go through the assembly and be signed by the governor, which I believe if the assembly passes, the Bill, I think there's about one hundred percent chance of Gavin Newsom. We'll sign this into law, and then, you know, we'll see what happens. I mean, the NC double A has a standing committee, that's looking at this issue, and it's supposed to be coming back with some recommendations about potentially, how to change the NCAA's rules around athletes ability to gain compensation from use of their name, image, and likeness, and what data will produce. It's hard to say but the final report from that NCAA committee is in do. To be submitted to the double as board of governors their top rules, making group until October, which is about a month after to California legislative session ends. And keep in mind that the legislation in California, even were to become law that law would not take effect until January one of twenty twenty three so you still have time for this to be hammered out in bug. Why don't I think North Carolina is considering other states are as well. And I'm just wondering you mentioned the long game here. But in the short term, at least perceptively, Stephen, maybe, there are more important things than this. It just seems like the NC double A is going to come out of this looking very bad. Well, I mean I mean, the NC double A is doing what it would it tries to do, which is defended defended system. I mean up to this point, the NC double a central office that, you know, that Mark Emmett the folks who work in Indianapolis had kind of stayed out of this and left the lobbying in California to representatives of the university of California system. The Cal State system, a consortium of private schools, individual athletics, directors the Pac twelve conference and so forth, and, you know, they've tried to sort of stay out of the fray a little bit here. And I think for sure there's concerned by the NC double A as an association overall, they don't want state. They don't want better court making their rules for them. They want the ability and they believe they legally have the ability to, as they put it superintendent their own their own setup. So that's you know, that's sort of what they're, that's what the sort of the principle that they're fighting for is their ability to sell. Determine their own rules, Steve. Of events take place in, in California. I mean, the national championship took place out there recently. But, but I'm thinking more in terms of, of, of basketball, regionals, other sports, that are, that are orchestrated and staged out there would would do we know if the NCW would wipe does events out as well. I have no idea whether they would not hold championships in the state of California. It's just, you know that the implication here is that if the schools in the state of California are playing by one set of rules and the rest of the schools across the country are playing by different set of rules, then the schools in the state of California won't be able to compete against the, you know, for championships against schools, and other states, I am interested because the it doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like they can do any raw right? And when I'm talking about is the Pac twelve run by Larry Scott that they. Been involved in this or they tried to ameliorate the situation or are they are they lone, man out. No, it's my understanding that people from the pack twelve and from Pac twelve schools have spoken to stay legislators. I mean, during Senate floor debate about this. There was reference made to conversations that state senators had had with athletic directors from schools around the state. So I'm assuming that Pac twelve would be among those that would have been reaching out, you know, so there's been effort made. But, you know, again listening to the debate that was had, which is available on on video. And if people are interested, you can find it on the California legislature website. It's still available through to be viewed, you know, there's just a, you know, a lot of feeling among those folks that athletes ought to have this to have this ability to, to make money in this way. And they are willing to risk this run this risk. The state of California in the hope that they can force broader change by the NCAA, which is something that California legislators have done on a variety of issues, nationally, not just, you know in college sports. So they've been they've done this in college sports as well. But, you know, for example, the car emission standards, that are in place in California, sort of set the standard for the entirety of the country. And this is being fought over now. You know with the Trump administration. So this is not new territory for legislators in the state of California to try to force change nationally based on their own sensibilities of what's right. And what's not, then there's always a political aspect, or the usually as a political aspect of everything in this case is there is there a way for these two sides to find any common ground, or is the incidentally, so dug in on, on his basic principles on this subject that you're not gonna see an accommodation. I it's hard for me to see where there's a point of compromise, when you're talking about the issue principle, and the and the principal issue. For the NC double A at this point isn't necessarily defending system in saying, okay, well athletes, you know, shouldn't be allowed to make money off their name, image and likeness. I, I don't think that's what Mark Emerton has said, either Amherst has said that he would, you know, he's fine with this conversation being had within the membership of the association with the association gets dug in about is the notion that these association that is the member schools should be given the ability to make the rules themselves and not have the made not have the rules made for them. Obviously, the counter to that is, well, you know, the schools act in their interests, not in the interest of, of athletes, and that you didn't or in too many instances, not in the interest of athletes, or fairness with athletes, and that day need to have their you know, they need to have to be pushed. So that's where you have this point of contention. Steve Berkowitz from USA USA today on fairly complex issue. That I feel a little smarter Steve. Thank you very much. You, you prove my original prediction. Correct. You are very smart because I now know more about this, and I did before. Thank you, definitely, appreciate you haven't me back on again. Steve, it's always a pleasure. We're usually pepper you with a question after question about coaching salary. So we'll say that for the next time around come back soon. Thank you very much listening to the Paul finebaum show, podcast talking season has a ride the name of talking season came from Steve Spurrier, who is our next guest, always, great to catch up with the HPC coup. What's going on? How how's your off season since you're you're season ended a little bit earlier? I guess what have you what have you been doing since we've seen you last. Yes. All tell you what I saw that show. And I said that had to be actually the bottle victory. That's the happiest person pitch. I think I've ever seen him a self. But yeah, we I've just been doing ambassador consultant type stuff here at the university of Florida. I guess and my golf game is is terrible. Oh I don't play as much as I thought I'd be doing right now. But other than that this looking forward to football season. Yeah. Talker season's coming up, they've invited me and Archie manning, I think, to come to the SEC media days to sort of rehash of all back in the sixty seventies and eighties or whatever. So looking forward to that later on in the month without won't be entertaining, because there are no coaches right now our players, who, who can have either one of you, especially you coach, a lot has been said a lot has been written about the af and now there's all over what are your final thoughts on this rather? Abbreviating see them. Well, obviously Paul we, we had a good team. And. I had a lot of fun coaching. These guys all the players are cut by the NFL didn't make a team. And they're anxious to try to get to the NFL so that they have wonderful attitude. It's practice hard it listened to their coaches, and that's always rewarded for the coach, and then we want some gains in different ways than any I've ever won as a coach. We weren't is that for four inches of snow Salt Lake City. Guys play beautiful. I said he'd be some of us Florida voice could come out here in the snow and went y and I'd be paying that gas played super in that one. The one I thanked I fancied the SEC fans would be interested in. This with the game in Birmingham, Birmingham. They had a very good team and Lewis and his guys do the super job there. But anyway, right. Forty game. We've always go. I mean the Friday before the game, we go and just walk Glenn visting ballpark, and lesion -til. We all know the history of vision to you. I think it's probably got more history for football, and it's out because any any stadium around. And so anyway, I did team up at midfield assegais him if you guys know the history of this place and they didn't know what I was talking about. And I said. And I said, let me tell you something fifty years ago, the, the black athletes African American players allowed to play football, this house, and they looked at me sort of fun. Yes, it this way was and bear Bryant. Got John McKay. Southern calendar. Bring Southern Cal team down there and right here at legion teal and putting him. Yeah. He ran through Bama for about two hundred yards and they beat him about forty two to seventeen and after that, the fans and everybody says, hey, we're gonna content on the national level. We gotta let African American let the black kids playing this out. And I went back there rejection was my receiver coach with the Apollo's, and I said, Willie checks, his dad was the first black football player, university of Florida. So you guys are learning a whole bunch of history there. They never thought of, and that's it. I don't know if I'll ever coach another game here or you guys play when here the let's go try to win one at the maybe the most historic ballpark in the south, and they got. I played the best game this season. The next day. I think we ended up winning thirty one fourteen something like that. But those kinda history lessons. I think are good for. Players know, hey, we got it pretty good compared to fifty sixty years ago. Oh, no doubt. And having spent a lot of time in Birmingham in, I saw a couple of games that you coach in that stadium as well. Yeah. I didn't win in that state. The Birmingham stallions USFL. We really wanted three there lead beat him a couple of times our place, but I, I was on the news inside of both bowl games, Duke and South Carolina, and the Birmingham both. But all I know is the one last one there fall. So I'm pulling out of winter, they conceal well, you also want an SEC championship there. But who's counting that, that was another name there. But this is the last now now you. Coach, I do want to ask you about the about the XFL, your friend op stoops's coaching in that, do you, do you think that will be successful? I think what they get going. We didn't have ESPN we had ten TNT and NFL network, which you're pretty nice, but they're not ESPN. Everybody's gonna watch ESPN and get national coverage of it, and it'll be pretty good. Football early league was good football but there was just couldn't get the coverage, and we didn't have the financial backing that we thought we had when we began, and it was disappointing to all concern, but it's history now. But yeah, I do think the XFL would say, I don't know that they can draw big crowds t- stadiums. But I think the appetite for watching football in the United States will give them a good chance coach, a couple of these on ask you about one is a lot of noise coming out of Georgia lately, from curvy smart, the a D And it involves the. The cocktail party game Georgia, and Florida, which, you know is is very important to both sides and they're talking about moving it out of there someone who played in that game coaching game and has won a lot in that game. What do you make out of Georgia saying in relation to? Yeah. I can understand what you're saying. Now back in nineteen ninety. When I got my first year, the Gators wanted to. Dogs. It's been the last twenty there and they tell me 'cause we gotta get their game on Jacksonville. We can't beat them there. We take a bus ride over there stayed until the gator bowl its own Florida's sole. They have to fly down cap drive along way, but fans I said this to be any and so we turned it into an advantage, I guess, 'cause we had better team than they did in early nineties, and they're, you know, the gator for happy playing all the time, but I can see Georgia's Sada tell you the truth. It'd be very similar as if the dangerous would go to the Georgia Dome in Atlanta. It's called something else. Now, I guess, in play Georgia de that wouldn't make sense, but Jacksonville's, wonderful place. A lot of history are also in the gator bowl that's now a different name. But yeah, we hope he stays there. Coach before you go a couple more questions. You've done a lot of incredible things both in pro football at recently, the beginning your career college football. We know about player, we know about do. I understand correctly that you're about to go into the restaurant business. Yeah. People here in Gainesville and there's a shopping center out near seventy seven Archer road called celebration point. And they, they said coach, let's put your name with the name of equality. Westwood the the operators restaurant. We don't know that name yet, we're sort of open it up for this. We've got a good first class of people that want to put a restaurant in my daughter said dad, I give you a place to pitch how it was in. The house on the beach for the last five years. So hopefully it'd be a little bit sports related with the Gators, but, but also open to football fans college football fans. Anybody that wants hopefully, a good restaurant would you, would you help design the, the menu or your res. Now, the menu will come from whatever operator, we choose to partner radically. So I'm I'm not deep in this thing you know, I'll have my name on it. Obviously, we wanted to be very successful. And we need to hire a successful restaurant with the strong manager head got random thing, and we planned out the bed a year from now. Okay in June of twenty twenty well, you know, co coaches go, Nick Sabin runs a Mercedes dealership. Why can't you be a restaurant tour? Yeah. It's not hard to be sort of the guy just drop in every now and then and say, Hello, the people, and I'm looking forward saying this, they sending us Bill successfully. By the way before it was. We'll see. We'll see and Hoover, but, you know, I in Hoover, the conversation will be about a myriad of subjects, but a huge look ahead and I realized, you know, these players pretty well having just scouted them. And, and at least some of the ones coming out, what do you see any, you see the SEC being any different this year? Or do you think the favorites will hold the form? Yeah. That could get questioned right there, Paul. Hopefully, our gator skin. Get passed Bill dogs and several other teams. Gosh, too. It's early it's only seems to be the top two although Georgia and Alabama had certainly been at the last several years, but there's always hope there's always hope maybe, we'll have some new teams in Atlanta and then go from there. But yeah, Dan going does a super job here and the Gators were fired up. They're ready to go as everyone else at this time, but yeah, we're looking forward playing Miami. August twenty third a game. Exactly big one. I think for both schools, you bet. Well, coach. Congratulations on the restaurant. Look forward to seeing you in Hoover. And hope you'll come back soon. Okay. Expel, I should have you got coach coach. It's not like he was late to hit his shot. He was. Okay, I'll be right there. Guys. Got you gotta get off phone. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Let's check in with Chris in Alabama. Hey, Chris, go right ahead. Yangpu. Hey, they're as good to see or talk to you. It's been a minute. I've tried to get in your guys has been really good to me. Of course we've run out of time. Thank you. I'm glad you made it. Yeah. May tell you it's, it's almost like it's a hold Trump. But I tried to is. We, we really are excited about your show. It looks really well that hurts. I wanna say this, I think as a class act, I'm an Auburn fan, but I will say this for they were lucky to have him on his team. There's no question about that. But what I wanted to talk to you about first office the Auburn quarterback situation, which I'm sure you've heard a lot of what do you think about would or needs? You know, I don't I, I would just be throwing something up against the wall and hoping it sticks to try to tell you that I know more than anyone else. I don't. Yeah, I don't know much about Gatewood. I do know Knicks only because I covered his dad and know his dad, but. I think it's a good. I think it's a good problem for Gus malzahn to have. And I don't think it will be hard to figure that out. Once you get to Joe. Because it's the way I'd say, you got somebody their dad played there. That's the top person we need playing quarterback at over. We don't need this one week, one year transfer guy in there. You know, don't get me wrong. I like sit him but it just finished off. You'd never really. I mean he had some good moments but overall it. It seemed like a waste of time. I agree. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. And I just got one touch. I don't wanna make for the GM from Tennessee LUSA. Yeah. I can comments about rednecks, this rednecks net. Well, I got news for him. I'm a redneck you know, we, we probably houses on trucks company, my next radio, I worked for soon everyday, but for him to sit there and criticize people say you don't even know he might want to watch that mouth or bring it up here, down the Bama in north Alabama and gave him a two five six s full. Chris, I'm with you. I'm going to pass that along to Jim. Okay. Now. They now man, I'm sorry. You had to talk with somebody like that. But Warragul brother, you got to Jim has been promised to five six that's the area code in north Alabama quick. Chris is big enough for a man enough to do it a little puck. He's a puck with a big mouth. And I didn't I yeah, there's some rednecks on here and he sounds like he is one too. So, yes, good. Chris expose yourself as a stinking redneck people earned an honest living, Jim. No, I didn't say that. You know what I'm talking about the people that I call it a Riddick that he heard me, call our red Knicks. That's what they are. And then Chris said he was one and I agree with it. He's one two and I don't give he better watch you look, I don't wanna get into that, because that could that could be big time, heavy sip. So you better watch his thinking mouth caller about though, Paul told me they said, you, you had you go fat ugly. Keith freak trashing me about an hour ago, I didn't hear but, you know. Greg, his name Greg from Athens submarine, Greg. You'll Pat ugly nobody none non compelling. Let me see Hugo compelling like your show is now. Jim what kind of question is that? That you always avoid, that's what you do in your you. You never come up never answering a question. You're the you're the main guy that won't answer honest question when you shows on the rocks right now. Okay. Once again, how good do you have bad, how competitive or noncompetitive do you think your show is now? Jim, I thought you know, damn well, I can fuck his press that button and with my billion talent, I can bring these show into something always have always will if I'm on here. That's what I got. That's my talent. That's my ability. You know, I got it. You're the one that wrote it in the book, but you get these damn old men on here like Greg, calling me on old man, which is a stinking lie. And I'm just telling you all traffic. You say said you not me trying to help you show today with all win with Nick and his wife that for me was pretty good stuff to get the people. You know, a kind of a down to earth, the us to do some of that. And the show was compelling in because you had people like me and Jane, and Bobby, who weren't exciting. Here's the thing, Paul. You can't work well with somebody that you ain't got that ain't got. No. And you know, Greg ain't got the ability to work. Will you even even my enemy laugh and Shelby said, you, Jim Paul are good together. Why are you running nemo? That's, that's that makes sense to me. Because you, you can't work. Well unless you've got somebody to work with. It's a team game Paul. And when you got these dumb ass and rednecks only show every day with a gun, this drab nethon, yo excitement. No way. No energy. No compelling. This, no snipe is exactly no nothing exciting ball. And you go work with him. So you just sit there and take their questions and go the hell out of a and bore the hell out of us. And I still, I don't know why occasionally, listen to this crap, I and I'll be honest. We all as God in heaven. I was trying to help your show and you the other day, which you're so stupid. You can't you ain't got the safest the understand that what was going on. Well, clearly and everything I say as usually do you know that? I do appreciate you trying to help us out. Well, I'm not now but I was other day when you criticise me with Greg, and his wife, don't you think I think it's why probably got a kick out of that. And I think other women got a kick out, anyway. Anyway, I think you're right. A lot of tweets complementing the whole situation. I mean you know what it wasn't the destroying I put you on because that's all I thought it was going to be a good segment. That was my instinct. Well, it wasn't a bad segment ball. No. No. Listen to compared to some of the stuff you're right. It was. I was entertaining. That's the whole point. And you kill Greg. They said you told Greg. Yeah, that was the worst call into the show. Well. Sometimes you, you, you, you are familiar with with hyperbole. Are you not familiar with lives? Oh, very much so live. I mean that was a lie and you know what? Why don't you minute call? And by the way, like I said, you need help you need all the legends Daryl's and gyms and you don't need the Greg's. Is your best? I mean when you need help, what, what does that mean? That means the show is teetering. No, I have catering, Paul. It's just bad go and more in until you get some Lee or sharing. I mean, what you could be saying, June or even Daryl gets excitement going. He gets energy. He gets the blood going Paul. I get the book going you, Jim. You know, I appreciate that. That's why I mentioned you on page, fifty four of the New York Times bestselling book, you didn't just Mitch and you told the truth as you told me many times before that you told me change though, you many times will, but I'm not here to drag what you do need somebody to work with in a call again. Anyway, we keep the X telling me we have to go to a break. Intact. You keep back this is she. Well, we got Cubanacan Danny brands in the studio. I'm just sitting back and joining this gym continue on no break. Nece going. Timberlake. They were making funny, Jim. Hey, what we're up against a break, whether we need one or not. We are going to one more of your phone calls, and we'll try to get this show back to where it used to be. We'll try to make this show. Great. Again, listening to Paul finebaum shield podcast. Welcome back to the show. Let's let's continue trying to make this show, great again, let's go to Columbus Ohio and talk to Jeff what's ball. You jeff? I hope you able to hear gyms call. I tell you what, you know what he even mentioned, his cO, Paul sometimes of enemies, like Larry agree with one hundred percent and, you know, Jim and I have had our battles before. So we might consider each other enemy, but I agree with Jim one hundred percent. And he set my call up perfectly, first of all, I wanted to think Danny brands I don't know if he can get along and I wanna thank him for last week. I saw somewhere. He took me as a third pick in the fine. Bunko. Correct. Six overall, Jim. I appreciate that can basically lock up a fishery and round three because I noticed I was up against Paul pick. Boring. Greg from, from Alabama, Meriem grant guidance, sir. Twenty years in a submarine. It's not like he was at credit for service with the guys founded six fighting because let's paint dry, come on. Would you like how would you like to be twenty thousand leagues under the safer twenty years? I honestly couldn't do it, but it might have affected us humor up. I appreciate a service, but I think it affected us humor in Tim spot on. I mean talk about it non compelling. Non poignant caller. I mean that's the definition. Okay. Anyone else that you don't like. No, I just wanted, Danny pre-empts that we have great draft head to head and barbed store. Greg in a coal head to head if we had to go that route. But that's not even why call it. I just wanted to give Jim props for this for further analysis. I think he was spot on. We've got Jim. Eight drafting. Hey Paul, you know, horrible not gonna take up your real. Now he runs faster baby talk if I he was airgun of the player running around making, you know, bets or whatever you know claims about games and stuff. He's Mr. run his mouth. But as soon as somebody stands up to him, the guy never accept the challenge. I mean when accept the challenge since he's been of Michigan. I mean he couldn't stand up. It was a it was a friendly. You see these bets all the time and this was not like it's a stand on your head or anything. It was just a fun bed. By the way, I'm the one who is going to have to go to Ann Arbor, Michigan. If you didn't have to go up there, will you? Please stop at Columbus, I could give us the pieces of information, and maybe some highest state here. You can leave on campus up there. That'd be nice. I mean I could give you a little Buckeye to take up lifted the Jimmy and see what he wants. Lot, but he listened he got ninety minutes. Don't wanna write him off yet. He could be busy right now doing whatever Jim Harbaugh died, June. And I gotta be quarterback this college World Series. I mean, we're not like the SEC fan base is run gonna sit up here champ big ten of Michigan win. Hello, what Michigan win anything. I mean so we're a little different in that regard. But I will have to MIT. I'm a little excited. They got into the finals because I'm so tired of the boring argument that northern schools and schools Cantu. It's a good story, too. I did for Michigan throughout this playoff. Yeah. But don't you agree it gets? I mean, I think a lot of coaches in the big ten and the northern schools, they use it almost as a crutch and their goal is only to win their conference championships. And like warm weather sports, baseball softball tennis. Whatever I mean but if you get the right coach in there, you can win it. Sport in any location. I mean that's been proven time-to-time again with the right coach. I mean this is one national titles on the four in baseball. I think they won softball. You know if it's about getting the right coach in there. That's grasses, and that wants to win national titles and not conference title. That's the one thing that does sometime. And I think that's what urban brought to the to the big ten, don't you agree? Totally. I completely agree. Listen, great stuff. Do you have as always? We'll talk to you soon. Let's check in next with. I'm anne. And good afternoon. Paul finebaum good every station with Jeff there. Let's back up for a second ESPN partnered with the SEC network. And therefore, this is C C network has all the teams all the games and the have your program and Peter burns and Dr Nokia and couple of guys. And as far as programs, go, but in made kind of looking at this, I don't think your numbers really matter. Well, listen. They don't. And I don't mean that in a in a way any way other than we are a standalone product here. Exactly. And angry and you're the best standalone product that they've got outside of a few games a year in the different sports. Well, I mean that was listen, you, you, you know, more than anyone because you were there at the beginning, you know about the hiring of, of this program, and why was put on. On. And there were a lot of skeptics, you know, with bless skeptics around, where I was where I was didn't think it would work and I had my doubts for quite frankly. But it it's worked because it's a it is a community that represents what this network is supposed to, to stand for. And that's a collection of fan bases from various places me. It was easier to hire you than it was to compete against you. You were the voice of the south and you've who was a perfect fit. And ESPN hit home. Run by partnering with this. They see and for my understanding this, he's seeing that work is doing better than all the other networks. They've partnered with right for the SEC the SEC network could have been unbelievable success. I mean and so. And so when somebody comes on here and says they're trying to save your show and save your numbers, what kind of idiot moron, would that person bake, because your numbers don't matter. You go back the best program on on the network. They hired you for raising they would have to compete against you and they hit it out of the ballpark. Well, yeah, you're right. I if this program if we weren't here, somebody else would be, and we would still be doing what we were doing be doing what you're doing, and you would still be successful. Yeah. I mean by. And by now, we probably would have had a television component. I don't think there's any question about that. There's too many television networks out there with with nothing on in the afternoon, and they and there's a lot of people that have disappeared in the last ten years to, to. Maybe a second tier raise you have advanced to the top tier and you are all over ESPN. You are all over the various networks. So nobody is coming in here. Worrying about your numbers, and if they are to, to make them to make this simple for the rest of the audience. I'm calling Jim a dumb ass. Yeah. I just wanna make sure I think you. You and our own same page it. Eight fifty four have a great day. I'm in coming in listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast joins us me. And we've been talking about this news over the weekend about realignment we have had so, so little on that subject that I think a lot of people have jumped up and down and trying to and try to figure out what it means you thank you very much for the time. You you've been hard at work at this for a couple of days. Can you help us understand? First of all, what's going on here? And then why? Well, I mean right now it seems like we're on track for an announcement an official announcing later this week. The board of trustees at uconn are set to vote Wednesday the biggest presence reportedly approve yukons invitation to join the league today. And so if there's an expectation there's going to be some sort of official now it's been later this week. There is the question of the ten million dollars exit fee, but you can't hoping to negotiate that down because if not in the bylaws technically, they would to stay for they would have to give twenty seven months notice, which would not allow them to join in time for the twenty twenty season. But it seems like there's optimism that that's stuff's going to be worked out too. There could be announced later this week. So what led to this moment? I think that you kind of wanted to get back to, I think they got lost in this stuff a little bit during realignment a few years ago. They went big on football, and it didn't work out. I mean, there's just it's hard for a program in the northeast to really get a foothold in college football, especially when they became a fulltime SPS program in two thousand two so it's not like there's been a ton of tradition at the division one level. And so you can find that they haven't been good in, in, I think, seven or eight years now they lost some of their regional rivals. I mean back when they were in the big east for football. They can count on playing Pittsburgh and Rutgers and Syracuse those have been replaced by south Florida East Carolina SMU. So I just think that the regional aspect of it has gone. And at the end of the day, this is the basketball school in men's basketball, women's basketball, men's women's basketball's. Obviously the best program in the country men's basketball was one of the best programs under Jim Calhoun, and I think going back to the big east to play against Saint John's and Dylan. Oh teams like that, again, I just think that bring. Back some of the sort of wasn't built up. You let it back in the nineties. And if it goes through Yukon is gone army has been mentioned as a possible replacement is that accurate and who else? Yeah. I think that, that army is a logical option. And if you don't go with one of those, it was you don't go with arm. You can look at Charlotte, or Georgia state, and North Texas Louisiana tech. I just think those, those types of schools, at least would be the most most legitimate options. Just I it sort of fits with what the footprint of the league is so far in terms of, you know, it's either nothing up and coming program. It's, you know, recruiting hotbed type places that have fit with the league's some media market, so they can build on, like a Charlotte. And so I just think those types of schools would fit with what they had now. See army would match the with mesh navy in the league and give them a logical travel partner and rival beyond this and Jeff you're on the front line. All those of us few rose removed or trying to figure out what does it mean? So does it say anything about today's world of intercollegiate athletic? And if so what? I mean I don't know if this is going to suddenly bring bring on another. I guess stretch of realignment talks like we had several years ago where, you know, there was a ton of reliant was with schools, moving conferences, every few months team. I don't know if we're going to bring about that. I do think that, you know. I don't know if this acidic to you calm, but I think, you know, sticking to what built up the athletic program is in some cases, I think, that's what's most important some schools for and you can't take like I said, it's a basketball school, and they tried going big and football, and it's just not working. And I think that they've realized that I think that, like I said, I think they got lost in the shuffle a little bit during realignment. I think their basketball program took a hit prestige wise, women's basketball, they, they got conceding the NCAA tournament that they thought where it was a little low men's basketball has fallen back, whether that was just natural because they won four titles in, in twenty years. That's not going to happen, regardless of their in. So I think that was part of it. But I do think that they realize, hey, football going big in football, at least fourteen and conferences, to, you know, help build the football program is not the way to go. And I think that the fan base is it's the best ball fan base. And I think that the fans want to play, you know. Villanovan providence and teams like that, as opposed to playing south, Florida and East Carolina. Jeff many, thanks shared it look forward to following the story very closely. Thank you to listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Glad you're here for the final thirty minutes of the show and his most of you have heard by now quite a weekend. If you're an Auburn football fan, the ouster of the school president, the man who brought. Gus malzahn forty nine million dollar contract couple years ago, Brandon Marcella joining us Brandon always great to have you on the only thing about Auburn doesn't matter, whether it's a quiet as week of the year or not, there is usually news. Thanks so much for being here and kind of take us through the whole chapter of Stephen leaf, and we'll obviously get to what it means. But how do we get to this point? You know, he was just never a good fit. You know, and it was little thing after little thing after little thing and simply long story short. He he lost the trust of the board of trustees of his employees is to be people underneath him. He was quite the micro manager with the athletics department, which, of course, is only part of, you know, his job responsibilities as the president of entire university by over a period of time, it really became clear during his first year that he wasn't quite the right fit for, for Auburn university. So he, he made this decision a couple of years ago, I on Malegaon and, and we all we both know it did not go over well with, with several members of the board of trustees who were fairly outspoken privately. I don't know if anyone everyone public, but you're not both know there were some. Old guard who were really irritated in the mouths on another season. That's not all that great nearly got fired at the end of the year. And here we are again. Yeah. And, you know, that was a part of reason why you know, part of the reason one of the Domino's that led to Stephen Lee Alastair is just the way he's handled certain things with with athletics. And obviously that contract is a huge bullet point for everybody. But there's other other issues you just see over the last few weeks, for example, I guess it's really the cap or to Stephen lease entire all short career here at Auburn. You know, I had to chase him down at the spring meetings up. Staircase to ask him a couple of questions, he didn't want to talk to me, and I asked him about this long, just dating discussed football only complex that Alan green, and yeah. Flex pharmacy wanting to build. And I asked them is this gonna come up with the next board of trustees meeting, which was mid June, and he said, no, it's not going to be discussed. Well, seven days later at the board of trustees meeting. They tell Steven leaf. Hey, go film. Oh of, of you. No go fill up a working group to get this done what start moving forward with the basilica. And by the way, while that happened, there, also forming, and how they're working group to, to, to look over his tenure as president and kind of review things. And then here we are a couple of weeks later, and he's been kicked out and booted the he just seemed to, I guess he was kinda put mud on the tires so to speak for a lot of things that we're trying to be done at all. So let's let's move him out. Jay goose's back is respected figure been there a long time in Auburn, man. Is there any guests how long he will be there in and he's Lee, tell me, but it seemed like from my distance, he was a hands off athletic department. President. Yeah. The for the first part, there's no telling it could be a few months. It could be a year at breeze presidential searches. Usually take awhile. And I would think my, my educated, guess, based off of how this issue with Stephen Lee came to be in this transpired. They're gonna take their time and finding the next president, though, there are some favorites among, you know, some members of the board of trustees, including the provost, who's here already at Auburn university and was a candidate for the president, president job before leaked was hired. What was the other part of the question? I'm sorry, I'm completely lost. One train, by the way, I want to stop on that subject, because th the these presidents are not e-. We just had the, the former president, where the retiring president of South Carolina in our studio. Brandon Harrison CD's that his, I think they may have brought somebody from Auburn in as well. I can't remember this is the same person or not that you referred. Too. But I mean, they they identified four candidates, they hired one and they were about to hire one they decided they didn't like any of them. What's the way it goes? I just remember the other part of your question, Jae Gu's has been in the past a hands off type president type of guy that wants to make the hires delete, his departments and let them lead their departments. And then he judges goes leaders and makes those decisions on whether to keep those leaders on board or not, he's not the type to go in and go, I don't think this head coach is doing a good enough job, or whatever Alan green do, do what you will the issue that lies underneath the surface here though, is that how green was not hired by j goose. She was hired by Stephen lease. And Stephen leaf was micromanaging Alan green. So if you're Alan green, you know, you're going into your second year here as Affleck's structure, and you're thinking, okay, what's my job stability look like he won't really know until the permanent president, I would think comes into into. Focus because when Alan green was hired there was some pushback by some members of the trustees and powerbrokers of, hey, we want an experience. I flex director this guy's only had a year or two as an ADA at the university of buffalo. Is he really ready for this job? So now that Stephen leave who was his protector. So this week by being as being the guy who hired him Alan greens. Gotta be sitting there wondering about his future, because certainly some more members the board of trustees might see an opening here to exercise some power, and maybe look at some things down the road that my eyes I said, when you have an ouster like this, with Stephen lethal, president of university dominoes start falling all the way down the pecking order, usually does it affect the athletes department certainly at some extent, you know, even with football with Gus malzahn, say they were to go eight and four some could say that. If president Stephen lethal, still the president in my say, hey, we're keeping him because he's my guy, I gave him this big deal. Deal. But now at least not there, he doesn't wrote decimals on doesn't really have that safety net. So maybe smells on when it gets the benefit of the doubt, if they were to have another eight win season or something like that with this tough schedule. So one way or another. This is going to affect the athletes department just remains to be seen how big of a deal it is particularly for Alan green, and the future of the leadership there. Because I, I want to add this Alan green was at been micromanaged quite a bit by Stephen leaf. And I, I wonder based off gate garages passes. The president previously now as the interim president, like it'd be hands off with things flex department. If he allows more conomy, Dow in green can Alan green move forward with some of the ideas, he wants to implement here over the next calendar year. So if that happens, Allen greens, got some great ideas, I believe in talking to him and others around him. And I think he's a very, very sharp guy when it comes to the future of athletics, not just in the SEC at all of them, but across the country, I think he'd go out and. Quote unquote, prove himself to these people that were doubting him when he was first hired. Yeah. When we talked to him and in, in Destin about Gus malzahn, you could tell and I'm sure you've talked to him more, maybe off the record and on. But it was it was a conversation. He just did not want to have. Yeah. And it's one that, you know, listen, it's not it's not the soupy cooks. I mean it you're well, he's been asked to do is come into a kitchen and go and the meals half. Prepare, can you finish it up? And he's like, why don't you want this to be served let alone to be help fixing it? So he wanted to situation that, that new contract was all set up before you arrived. And he inherited that now what he has said repeatedly. And I'm sure he said on your show is you're gonna do every everything in his power to help make Gus malzahn successful. But when the time comes, and he has to make it hard decision at difficult decision Alan greens have to make that decision and really not necessarily do it on his own now but he's not gonna have Stephen leaf-green breathing down his neck going, you need to keep this guy, you need you need to figure out a way to keep him because leaf legacy was tied to Gus malzahn with that contract or the other, and it was just a matter of time before Leafs legacy in. Ended at Auburn, it happened a little bit sooner than I thought, but having said that and how Alan green heritz Nellie inherited this mess. But now that lease gone. I think Alan green should have a little bit more autonomy to act in his own his own ways with his own voices helping him voice kinda shape. This department of the way it should go forward and said of Stephen leaves saying, hey, this is how things are going to be going down the line. Brandon. Let's say we get that eight and four record, which is no man's land in Auburn football and what I mean by that is nobody really knows what it means because it's right there line of demarcation. How would how would a decision be reached to whether to retain or release Gus malzahn? You know, I think a lot of it just has to do with which those games are the losses what? Oh, let me make it easy for you. Let's say it's ordure an Alabama and after that take your pick. Take your album or the losses and to more, I think he's gone. I, I just don't think that'll set well enough with the board and obviously, some of the other folks, and also remember, Raymond Harvard. He was on the board was a big proponent for and preparing the seven year deal for Gus malzahn and his voice is certainly taking a big hit, and is not going to have as much say going forward with Gus malzahn tenure. And as I said, without Stephen leaf and now harbored choice being quiet because of lease ouster, if you're eight and four and you have losses, the Georgia, and Alabama, you're not gonna have as much support as you probably would have had had leaf silken the president. And I, I would think at that point, you would probably see a change at the top of the food chain for many years. This board was was fairly well known. There was a time when one man in Montgomery was considered the most power trustee in the country. Is there any way? I mean you mentioned Raymond harbored who apparently gained a lot of power with lease, but you have Jimmy rain on their certainly the best, probably the best known person on the board writing. But, but where how, how would you break the power down? I Jimmy rains at the top of the of the pile right now. I thought harbored was definitely moved his way up and listen to anything. Harverson alive. Great stuff for the university is names on a bunch of buildings and, and, you know, classrooms and everything. But with athletics, his name is name is certainly not caring as much as it did just two years ago. But I believe Jimmy rains at the top top right now of that heap right now. And some other things are start working its way you know, out, working itself out or these next few months as I start discussing a permanent fixture at president, the when it comes that flex, I think at, at this point. Jimmy rains got has the rain so to speak more so than anybody else at this moment, and it's worth remembering Jimmy rain is also still very close to the former coach Pat dye. And that, that's a tandem that some people thought had moved on. On. But it looks like they have moved back based on what you're saying. Yep. Definitely. And I think that the voices that were maybe against change in the past, as far as, you know, not maybe not wanting to leave their maybe Alan green was too little bit to and experience. Those are the people whose voices will be heard the loudest in the months coming up. Right in it's late summer, but early summer late June. But Auburn football and never goes away too much. Hey, thank you so very much for coming on. It's an incredibly important story on their tongues are wagging, all across that state, and we appreciate you enlightening us, and we'll talk soon. I hope. All right. Thank you, Paul. Thanks for having me, man, ready to great to have you on. We will take a break. We still have a few minutes ago, if you want to get in and have a reaction to that or something else, the phone number is eight five five to four to seven two eight five, eight five five two four to seven to eight five a lot or to avail for you. We'll be right back. 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S4E20: Cow and Pony Show

Holding The High Line with Rabbi and Red

1:22:35 hr | 3 weeks ago

S4E20: Cow and Pony Show

"The to human spirit signs extremely the arm sausage suits last talking. This question john. Thank you Hello colorado rapids fans. This is holding the high line with rabbi read. We are brought to you by Fc and roughnecks scarves and are part of the beautiful game network. My name is matt pollard. It's taco tuesday. August twenty four twenty twenty one the mls all star week festivities are underway with lita. Amex goalkeepers already time-wasting during the volley skill challenges otc niece has had. Its very own malice. The palace over the weekend as fans stormed the pitch at the rivera after throwing things at marseille players during a stoppage in play and rapids. Twitter is still feeling the power three days after railroading oursel- twitter after a massive dub on saturday night. I'm joined now by a man who's beer. Modern about the all star game then you are. Rabbi marc goodman. Hey matt good to see you matt is wearing is holding the highlight with rabbi and read twenty thousand nine bizarre season survivor t shirt. I loved that shirt. Didn't get one. So i feel guilty. I did not throw in. So if you've got any hanging around the apartment matt send me one It's a great one. Considering that the twenty one thousand nine bizarro season only you portended the madness. That would be the year twenty. Twenty and twenty twenty one. Obviously so nice nice job with the with the kind of you know raising the bar with the your kit. Your kid selection that thank you very much mark so mark. We've got a couple of banter topics to talk about. We didn't really talk about this because h. h. l. is not a big rumor-mongering podcasts. We we don't rumor monger on stuff that it's unsubstantiated or hasn't been recorded on folks and we don't like talking about news that's really no news one of the things that we do that i guess will that law now mark and talking about the all star game because the colorado rapids sit second or third in the western conference They have two games in hand if they were to win. Those two games in hand they would then jump the seattle sounders and sporting kansas city in the first place in the western conference to the extent that the power rankings matter and i swear marcus last time i'm going to mention it the rest of this here the colorado rapids at moved up to fourth. I think deservedly so they are still behind new england and the two aforementioned western conference teams and despite all of that the rapids. Don't have a superstar. Robin fraser said after the game on saturday night that we'll get to that. He's building twenty-five superstars. But do not have a participant in this year's mls all star game mark. The all star game was kind of built going into this was all a marketing ploy of. We're going to have the game in la. it's going to be league. Max versus mls. And then it's going to be teacher tone. Carlos villa leading the line for the all starts. Neither of those players are participating. Obviously cheeto hasn't played since Warm ups of the fourth of july game he sets out with the mysterious injury and only fifteen teams are represented in the analysts. All star team squad. So of there's two thousand seventeen folks rapids one of twelve. Who do not have an all star player. Most of those teams that don't have an all star are certainly below the red line. Mark your thoughts on the all star game generally is the thing given. We're both kind of curmudgeon for this. Because it's it's not really for. It's not geared towards our demographic of mls american soccer people. it's also a little bit of a cow pony or horse and pony show who i liked. I liked cowan pony. I like how pony show. You're very you're very western matt. It's very it's very colorado that you'd go straight to cows and horses and skip the dogs great western stock. Show folks come superpower tom. And then we've got and then obviously this is without a member of the colorado rapids. When i think a lot of people thought that count a costume deserving and i've heard from a few people mark that some people tried to push on garber towards making that one of his selections for his commissioner picks and to no avail. Rabbi your thoughts on all things all-star game week you're curmudgeon. Line was absolutely flawless. Matthew Just the idea that you and i are both You know grumpy old man. It's a great question as to. What the all star game is other than cash. Grab united f c I get it in the sense that You can bring some of the best players in soccer together to play an opposing team that you wouldn't normally have like tottenham hotspur or the league allstars or rails asthma material salt lake real madrid Like we had a couple of years ago but the reality is most mls teams including the rapids who've had book juniors in our time together who've had Arsenal football club. In our time. Together i can draw a big foreign team for a cash grabby game. You don't need an all-star game for that so your original question was i'm not sure what's up with the all star game or whether it's even worth playing and for me. The answer is no it's not. I wish we didn't do it Did you now by the way where the. Mlb all-star game originally came from the origins of the mlb all-star game. I couldn't even tell you what decade it started mark. I would assume would sometime in the regularly available televised era of the league. So i'm going to guess seventy s at the earliest probably sometime in the eighties. No the original. And it's the first of of its kind. It's either from the twenties or the forties. And the i think it's from the forties. And i think the origin of it was major league. Baseball players got together to raise money for charitable cause. And i think it was like wounded veterans something like that It may have even been for a specific individual. Who needed help. And so that's the origin of the all star game. Which is it was a good kind of caused to bring together a whole bunch of people and now it's kind of like out of control that is just it's just an opportunity for profit The question of the the key question that you really ask underlying this is what do i make of the fact that the rapids didn't get anybody in You know we were in the modern era the way the all-star game is concocted. Seattle's always gonna get a couple of players l. a. The two teams are both going to get a couple of players. New york is likely to get a player although they haven't been very good lately so that makes it harder and a couple of the big mexican stars from other teams are likely to get in the only players who ever get in kind of on their merits. Like the centrebacks. Because you know they either get appointed by a coach or there's really like a fan base that recognizes like this guy's been the absolutely dominant centre-back right now although typically it's a year behind usually the centreback that played well last year is is in. I mean everybody likes is everybody's still talking about walkers zimmerman As such an important player. I'm pretty sure walker zimmerman's probably not in the top five or ten centrebacks the league right now. He's very good. But if you look at absolutely the best you know beasts in the league. I don't think he's up there. So what do i make of the fact that the rapids didn't get anybody. I don't think it means anything you know chemical has probably been the best pure Midfielder or at least in the top three best pure midfielders who go and do all the jobs box. Box number eight in the league There are too many guys like him but he doesn't fit that. That's not really what you need on the all star team you want guys who are gonna score and you want attacking creative number tens and he's pretty much not that so i guess that's he's probably the only without the other thing is like jack price kinda deserves for is set piece majesty but You know you can't get into the all star game on being here. We go matt a one trick. Pony you can't do that you need to you need to have multiple aspects your game so As much as i love jack price like swinging in the perfect corner kick is never going to earn you. Love from the voters with how much all the skill competitions are mark effectively like a timed and continually. Running set-piece i would imagine. Jack price would be an excellent addition to some of the various wonky. Almost like the. Let's take something that's crazy out of. Like the fief of skill building like training sessions and then try to build them out but no your. Your points are well taken and a lot of ways to showcase fatigue and a lot of ways. It's a marketing opportunity. And the simple fact is mark that you know the fact that the fans already get to vote in almost third of the team which using the starting eleven in anything atlanta's gonna get multiple players. Each of the la teams is going to get one of their players. You know seattle is going to get their players in the same way as the power. Rankings is also a function of argue sexy and a big team that fits the brand and the marketability of talking about the league rather than the actual merits of it. So too is the selection for all star players in a lot of regards. I guess the one thing would you have to say that's good is that the rapids are going to have a full week to prepare for their game for sporting kansas city and daniel away of sporting kansas city. Obviously as already has flown out to los angeles. We are in the game tomorrow night at time of recording in some capacity. I am assuming that he's gonna play less than forty five minutes. Probably and then. Obviously he's gonna have to fly back to los angeles so he'll be relatively a little bit Worse for wear than any of the rapids player. So definitely of the. We are both a little bit chaotic neutral. Mark in that. I think both of us would kind of think the. Let's vote for all eleven players for the team. The rapids are playing the game immediately after the all star game so that all of those players are tired other banter top. Don't wanna talk about listeners. You haven't seen there's a guy who supposedly he's on the internet and he supposedly was at the medley. No messy like announcement. Big press conference where he cried and talked about leaving marcellina farewell press conference that he had there and supposedly this person who's associated with not a direct player or member of the technical staff member of the front office of barcelona has acquired the tissue. That messy was dabbing. His eyes with and crying into and is trying to auction it off for a million dollars. There's the potential hype your listeners. That i i don't know a lot about the science but supposedly they're claiming that lino macy's dna is in the tears. Saved can the tissue paper so we could jurassic park blood from the mosquito in the amber fossil attracts messy potentially clone messy. And so he's selling this for a million dollars Mark what do you think about this. Because one it'd be super easy to fake this and like you're really just buying tissue that like somebody dropped a few drops of water from the faucet on then on top of this being worth like the mark both we would shell out multiple hundreds of dollars for a michael assira game worn shirt. I don't know that we would want like one of mike's old socks. I don't know that we'd want like tissue paper. I don't know that we'd want like any other thing that is inherently like hygiene cleaning. Something off your face and something i. I don't want old plastic spoon. That michael zero eight his lunch with pandemic notwithstanding markets. This crazy. yes it is. I you know. Michael zahra east. Cloning himself he has like three kids. So you know. That's and i i think messi is quoting himself to the as a whole bunch of kids also and the other thing is You know. I think one of the interesting things about players who are descended from great players is is awfully hard for them to wind up being extremely successful. Because you have to have the drive to get out of whatever situation you were in And when you grow up as the wealthy son of a famous you know soccer player like how hard you really gonna work. Does that have anything to do with your ultimate question. No the real question is why. Would you pay a million dollars for a wet kleenex. Even if somebody really really famous cried into it. I guess people sometimes just have way too much money but you know i suppose like maybe at the end of this conversation that we should offer someone One of our listeners. The opportunity to buy entire podcast this specific episode of the podcast as a non fungible token for one million dollars I don't know what that means. It just sounds like word. Salad to me But you know if you wanna give me a million dollars so that you can own whatever. This is season four episode. Seventeen what are we. What's going on. who am i. i'll look it up. Mark l look it up whatever so nonetheless if you if you like to pay us a million dollars you can have a non fungible token hell for a million dollars. You can have me do your yard for you. I'll like exfoliating your back hair like i'll do whatever it takes for a million dollars you know That's that's the financial situation. I'm in kids. Were currently recording episode. Twenty for the listeners. That were wondering i get. I see this at the podcast at the pod catcher app of your preference. I'll say i was finishing up the most recent season today markelle when i was doing some mindless Work i was doing some mindless work during the day that i could have some audio in the background to distract me and make it more pleasant and so i was finishing up the espn thirty for thirty documentary series on nipsy hostile and his his murder his death his impact on the community and kind of the influence that he had within the nba space and cultural and how he tried to influence where he grew up in los angeles through his career and the wealth. It brought him and one of the things that he did when he created one of his new albums when everything was going digital is he wanted to like. He saw the marketing appeal of the. We're going to sell still the old school records and the old school physical cds even though everybody's gonna buy it on digital for two hundred dollars and it was purely a marketing ploy of the now. This is like the. Oh you got the new nipsy hustle track and you got it in see you got in physical copy. You dropped one hundred bucks on that. Like that is a that makes like a like a collector's item. Also makes it a little bit of a status symbol as well so i don't i mean yeah so if you want a physical. Mp three copy of this podcast will give it to you. I'll email to you and just you know. Drop a drop a million bucks donation on our patria on or on our sub stack of sub stack us to take a million dollars and will will they give you the mp three year not need to be connected to the internet and subscribe to the podcast. Listen to it anytime. And worst case scenario marcus marketing ply and best case scenario. Let us move on listeners. This past tuesday. The colorado rapids played at dignity. Health sports park in los incon- in commerce city in carson california and they walked out with a two one victory over the galaxy. Some interesting lineup changes from both teams teach hernandez again unavailable hamalainen. A homegrown younger fullback was playing in for the one who fanja listeners and then we had a very interesting squad rotation from colorado rapids. It was william yarbrough goal in the rapids. Were i guess we could crudely say in a three four two one mark we again had another game banter while the lineup was dropping about what exactly this formation was going to look like an case. Law boubacar danny wilson austin trustee across the back. Brian was in as was calling. Warner keegan rosen. Berry was in a wide midfield role and then the front three. If we want to call it was mark anthony. Cain co bassett as the dual attacking midfielders. Jonathan lewis in the michael barr eos wide winger false nine role and so the rapids come out here mark and they are absolutely on fire in the opening. Twenty minutes of this. Some very very good pressure k. An a bassett were agitators for the galaxy. Trying to play out of the back trying to find jonathan lewis and jonathan. Lewis was frigging livewire. We've been wanting to do all season long anyway. That for about twenty minutes and then he was decent for like another forty and then he got subbed off. In the second happen any case the colorado rapids ultimately win a penalty in the tenth minute while the incident occurred in the tenth minute. Vr reverse the call on the field in the twelfth minute after lewis went into the box and he was clipped into in the back by rebel. A son who was found to not get the ball at all lewis goes up and takes it and pulls eight dare. I say mark christian pulisic against mexico style. Pk going up or ninety. Two the right he goes to the corner and proceeds shirts the crowd and all of his aiders. Jonathan lewis with another opportunity in the seventeenth minutes in which he gets into the box and then cool. Bali pushed him down and that was not called with the arm of from behind. Lewis was a little bit off balance. I thought that was for sure penalty. Mark i'm shocked at even though i thought it was a penalty. I'm shocked that did not go too far and there was another possible penalty. Shout in the twentieth minute. Lewis kind of off-balance julian arrojo tracking back. They kind of collide lewis goes down gets backup. Tries to fire on. Goal doesn't really get a whole lot and arrojo's there to stop the ball you know. Even though it was close to the goal line was relatively routine safe from the league. Aleksey start to grow into the game. I think the rapids. This first half mirrored the first half in huston to satyrs it two saturdays ago now where the colorado rapids. Come out like gangbusters in the opening twenty minutes. Get a goal. And they start to get a little bit more lackadaisical they track back a little bit more on there a little bit more leading the opponent come to them inviting them and the elegant occc or a very good team they start to pass a little bit. Better opening up spaces the pressing in the angles of approach and the gap control wasn't as good as it could have been from the colorado rapids and then ultimately we get goal in the thirty four. Th minute ravella son. Who gave up the only penalty that was actually called for the rapids with an absolute nail to the bottom right corner after the ball gets recycled on a corner. The la galaxy continue to play very very well but they do have an incident late in the half. Where cool ballet. And danny wilson on both go up for a header. Both reviewed four concussion. Protocol mark danny. Wilson stays the game but cool. Bali had to be subbed off at halftime. And we found out that it was a concussion. Sub to my knowledge that is the first game the colorado rapids of played in in which one of the new concussion protocol subs was actually used the game continues right where it started right where it ended in the first half a very very good opportunity. In the fiftieth minute for williams the centreback for the galaxy with a thumping header inside the six unmarked liam yarbrough perfectly positioned for he. Perry's the ball away pushes it out and eventually another galaxy player gets to it at a very very hard angle on the line and it goes out for a goal. Kick fifteen minute. we see. Common warner fine. Coal bassett with a nice little through very similar to how bassett was playing on johnny in the first half and he ends up hitting the bar. I think he hit the post again in this marks of very good opportunities for both teams grant series. It's the post in the sixty second and then the game starts to get a little bit chippy. We see grant. Sierra and jack price both get yellow cards for foul when each other the game gets very very physical. And we've seen as the rapids have done in the past. Have i don't know if measured violence is the right term rabbi but knowing when to be physical knowing when to approach opponents and and commit a hard foul commit a yellow card understanding almost play to wear the ref is kind of calling the game emotionally knowing when to pull back and not engage when to stand up for themselves and show some backbone. I wouldn't say that the galaxy were comcast by the rapids in the second half. But i felt like the rapids weren't gonna take any crap and the ref called it accordingly and that suited the rapids better. Then it's suited the galaxy. Who were frustrated tonight at home a little bit smaller crowd on a tuesday night in southern california a crowd that increasing was frustrated with how the galaxy started the fact that they were the game and that just seated out towards the rapids ultimately getting results. The only question for me whether they were gonna see through a one one draw or find a way to nick a late winner and ultimately they did in the seventy third minute. Lucky toboggan on the corner. That's up for jack. Price nine coal bassett for flick on header at the near post and then andre. Shinya sheiky is there to smash it. Technically goes down for a goal for him mark but it does go off their williams into the upper ninety but it was headed for goal anyways and then the rapids really see out the game. Another close win for the rapid shaky with another great performance off the bench coming into midfield playing a little bit up top ultimately getting the goal some good sequences for the galaxy mark but just attacking wise. They didn't have enough without cheat. Thereto the galaxy or the rapids meant a whole lot gave up ground and gave up opportunities for the galaxy in places that they could get away with it and ultimately took care of business defensively one b. one marking yarbrough with a couple of saves and the rapids. Get out dodge with the two one win in a match for all we were talking about with the elegance you know she does gonna come back and they're going to be threatening. I don't know the rapids. Got a statement win mark. Because i said last podcast i still felt. I'm not sure how good the l. a. galaxy are but the rapids winning in and got two points with a rotated squad. What was your good thing from a fantastic tuesday evening for the burgundy boys. Anyone on the road is a good win. This team is getting done on the road. Which is quite impressive You know this was their fifth Four four decision in a row and they've gotten three wins out of that four. That's a lot of points that they're just piling in piling up You know. I think that's all really Well and good. I thought john lewis played exceptionally well. In this match. You know He of did the thing he looked like. Michael borrow a lot of moments. You know what i mean like. He just kinda matt gives me the to two handed italian. Yes that's what that was. Not that either of us is italian nor do i necessarily know that putting two hands up in the air really needs. Yes in italian But you know what i mean by that has always been kind of like the one to break through the back line and run onto a ball and in the first play that resulted in the penalty. That's exactly what happened with jonathan lewis. I think you know we've talked about it many times but her. Jonathan lewis is always about being consistent and putting up those kinds of moments more often than not nate also feels like this was kind of through the back and run through two defenders type thing that he didn't do a ton of earlier in the year that he is starting to pattern his game after borrows and what. I think that really means is. He's probably watching tape with the coaching staff. And they're saying you know when varos is out. This is the run when viruses. Either off. The pitch or when borrows is on the pitch You either need to fill in and doing this kind of run for him or this is the kind of run that he does that. Works in our system. You should try that. And i think that was really important I think also. Finally you know anytime that we are proving are merit with locals toboggan. Which for those of you. Who either happen tune in every show or not. Sure exactly what we're talking about. We've been talking for two years about the fact that the colorado rapids on corner kicks and even some kinds of free. Kicks like to do what i refer to as stack. Which is it's a single line of five or six rapids players who all break in different directions. It's really difficult to mark if you're a Zone if you're in zone defense because you might have your zone overloaded. It's really difficult to mark if you're on man defense because if you're on the wrong side of the guy and he goes you're on the left side and he goes to. You're right you're out of luck. That usually the last guy in the line who is often lawless car gets to just plow straightforward and all. The defenders are in chaos because they're piling off one way or another. The reason we call toboggan is because you can see it on the board In the final episode of season one of ted lasso as a play called locus toboggan And and it looked. It's called locates toboggan because it looks like a straight line of guys and then of course a little lines jutting out look like look horns so maybe i over explained that but i felt like it needed to be done on audiotape matt. Those are all the good things matt. Would you have I will include a link to mark's most recent Segment of back pass where he discusses set pieces and includes a screen shot from season. One of ted lassoed that includes the board that they have where you do. See locates toboggan. I didn't i didn't notice the horns in the ways that they had the runs kind of spread out mark. I kind of thought more as you know. The whole the ted lhasa was talking about was terrain chaos and disorder down in the opponents. And if there's one man who is the god of chaos as we've seen from his recent series it would be low-key indicates jonathan lewis mark. Fantastic the we have seen him. Start games start games. Well we haven't necessarily seen him like im- borderline impose his will to where he has single handedly dictating how. The game is being played by both teams. We've seen him off the bench in the seventieth minute usually at home occasionally against weak opposition on the road or the rapids are really trying to chase the game. We haven't seen him do that. In that level with that level of intensity and that level of quality in the opening twenty minutes and then he remained to be effective. And i think it was just understandable given the direction that team was going. And also maybe a little bit of pragmatism from robin. Which i didn't i didn't necessarily like i didn't but agreed with in the second half ultimately make the subs and understandably michael barr hasn't been a regular ninety minute player on this so you throw in another player. Ob younger one but a player who doesn't have a good track record of being a ninety minute player. I don't i don't fault. Jonathan lewis being subbed out on sixty. Six minutes wasn't an indication that he was done. It was an indication the has done his job and he was now putting the guy something in for him. Borrow some rubio at the same time to see the game out effectively in terms of set pieces again we're extremely effective for the colorado rapids andrea senior cheeky said after the game. Like it's not just luck at this point. Like the what chris sharpie is doing that principles that they're trying to apply the scouting that they're doing on opponents and everything the fact that they're tweaking things a little bit for each and everything. This is extremely effective. We wanna talk mark about how the colorado rapids don't have a star player when it comes to a playoff game at sporting kansas city at seattle sounders potentially. Mls cup at gillette stadium rainy in late november. In early december against bruce arena's revolution of they have carlos he'll have a niccolo darrow and everything. I would argue the colorado rapids have store who in key moments can single handedly changed the game with a great offensive. Output leads to a goal that star is set piece opportunities for the colorado rapids. Star is corner kicks for the colorado rapids. They have an effective way in which they score regularly. It just so happens to be that effective way of scoring isn't just passing to railway. Or i'll on polio. Surprise surprise. let's move on to bad things. Mark the officiating. What the heck was going on with the three. Pk shouts that. We had you know in the tenth minute. Obviously it goes to the end up getting right. The fourteen minute with cool bali. I thought was a stone cold penalty. Mark i don't see how even allie galax ellie galaxy. Homer could look at that and say at least fifty fifty. It's worth going to the monitor to review. I can understand the plate with you figured that would have been a harsh penalty but the fact that it took so long for one of the first one to be convinced to go to var was disappointing for me and the fact of the other to like it wasn't even inconsideration. Jonathan lewis should have had to. I think you could make an argument for three but you know we. We talked in the past mark about refs. And we've commented on the ones that we like. And we don't like i would put sylvia petrescu and like the middle third of officials and mls but this is hands down the worst game that i've seen him managed. You wanna talk about gay management from how it's going and calming things down and everything with the. Pk calls as bad. As dave gantar in the mls has back tournament with it's got to reds in the second half as bad as as bad as some folks. Kazakh goes was in the game a couple of years ago and the l. alec the galaxy with all the our calls and stuff that had to come back and how poorly that was communicated so that was absolutely abhorrent. But in that while. I think the galaxy were the better team overall in the second half think that were the more forward team understandably so home team going for the win. Row team playing the middle of three games in eight days understanding we will take a point. We said last week mark. We would have taken a point at the galaxy. That's understandable but i think given the fact that the rapids were wrong by the officiating in the first half. This scoreline was right. Because of how the gal the how the rapids finished the game off. And also what i think they were denied wrongfully in in the first half in the opening thirty minutes with the for sure to. Pk calls Johnny lewis should've gotten mark any bad things. Shall we had two big thing. Yeah i guess my bad thing and it's understandable because it's a road game and because the rapid scored first which meant that. The opposing team. The galaxy had a lot of. We're going to have a little bit of time with the ball but the time of possession was not not great The rapids were Out possessed sixty five thirty five which is starting to get into the area of Were were playing a counter attacking setup which on the road is understandable but even then sixty five percent possession for the opposing team is a lot. You let the other guy have the ball game and they will cause problems for you. I mean it means that you could sit deeper and you can challenge them and not get caught out in transition. But you know you're inviting trouble when you you don't have a mentality of possessing the ball because as we know from watching Sporting kansas city in one of their philosophies of how they win games is you know. It's hard to beat your opponent is. You can't get the ball and it's a lot easier if you don't have to worry about You know requiring the rock. So that's i guess my bad thing. It's almost a tactical point so It's it's pretty dumb for two podcasters. Sit around questioning robin frazier. He's getting the level of success. He has I read a the athletic has good piece this week on the colorado rapids Which is really rare. you know. it's very rare that anybody even bothers to to mention their appetite. Think stinks goal. Who wrote it. It's a long form piece for fans of this podcast. I don't know there's a whole lot in there that you don't already know It's kind of like sam. Stace goal boils down the question that the boys down into one article. The questions. that matt has been tweeting at writing about four last word on soccer for the last two years on robben frazier. But if you wanna shorthand. What robert frasure thinks in why he's been successful. He articles a good one. But you know at the end of the day. Like i still do feel like. That's a slight opening That the that could be exploited in the future You move on. I first of all. I think it's nice to see that the athletic is not treating the colorado rapids like they're like their Matt damon with how much Paul oreo covers the various nuances of the chicago. Fire there in the chicago area on two things that will point out mark. There was a member of the galaxy media. Who i apologize whose name i don't have written down. Got the first question in post. Game with robin frazier. And he was asked about and he asked robin about his team and win going and playing the galaxy given the difficulties. How good the galaxy of ben beating them without thereto and then kind of the narrative behind the you know. Is this a kind of a battle of two former. Pows two former colleagues in greg. Vanney and robin frazier. Who worked together. in toronto and robin kind of shut it off of saying you know it's big because it's three points for us but the last game was worth three points. The next games gonna be worth three points. They're all worth the same at the end. We're just trying to get closer to the finish line of finishing as best as we can and be in position to make the playoffs. I'm paraphrasing and maybe filling in some of the lines of the nuance that robin simplifies with How he answers a lot of questions with the media and then he says you know it's not really my take that's for pundits and for fans to talk about is the scheme win and i'm gonna say this isn't a statement when mark one because we just saw the galaxy lose to the san jose earthquakes and look really really bad in doing so and as i said in the preview. This is a team that's had to play very very differently. And beg more pragmatic and grind out results and frankly play like a smaller club understandably so given where they're at with out tree joe hernandez and given what's going on with him we don't know whether or not injure there's been some really tabloid coverage from the mexican media about potentially him going through a divorce and some of the comments that supposedly if come out from people really really close to his wife and everything and so we saw last year which each retail was like when he wasn't physically healthy when he wasn't right in mind body and soul. We saw at the beginning of this year. What he's like when all three of those things are in alignment. And i think it's a valid question. Where if nothing else. One of those his physical body and the confidence around that is there and if she does not close to what. He was in june when he was in may for the galaxy. I don't think the allegation of the fourth best team in western conference. I think it's more likely. They're fighting to hold on to the seven seat. If san jose continues to play well if minnesota figures it out et cetera et cetera. So i don't know this is a statement win in the same way that may be the colorado rapids getting that draw losing to l. asean may increasingly looking bad with how that team has been cheetos. Not back. then. I don't think the l. a. galaxy are real threat to the rapids in the playoffs. And given where this teams at and where they've been without him. I will say this is not a statement when had they beaten them with cheech retail. Had this wind come in may when he was flying high and leading the top of the golden boot. I would have said it would've been a statement win We'll get to another win. That i thought was a statement. Went in a couple of minutes mark but then. I don't know if you saw. They actually clicked this video folks so i it's not available anywhere publicly. The club's put out because what they do with the media they do everything with the media with the call and then they record the whole thing and they clip out the answers and the question. So you don't get the beginning you don't you don't get the beginning before it actually start seeing the end after it's ending out and then you don't get anything in the middle where there's may be dead air and so right before they actually to the opening question with jack price he actually pulled from off screen at cana modell oh that he took a sip of and then i don't know if somebody suggested that he should move out in any case he put it away mark so jack price the opposite of cristiano ronaldo when it comes to post game media etiquette. And i'm here for it because as we found out markelle rapids fans have increasingly adopted. The he's here he's there. He's every offering where jack price jack price to the tune of the ted lasso. Chant for the former deamid of afc richmond. He's here he's there. He's every wear roy kent Jack price was asked about this. Afterwards in the media markey said he had not watched it. He's aware of the show. He's aware of the general demeanor of the character. Roy can who's been crushing it in season two folks and he says that he likes it. He likes the comparison. So i am here for jack price being here there and every effing wear. Let's move on mark. We got a couple. Ask h cells that we're going to get to the first one that we have. I will throw to you. Rabbi in this comes from at jama's e. underscore twenty twenty one Do you believe the rapids will secure a sponsor deal for both the jersey and arm sleeve during the season. Is there any news. Potentially is there any news on potential corporations talking to the rapids mark the colorado rapids last year. Had the shirt sponsor with transamerica going out to the end of the deal that they had we believed to be associated with the signing of tim howard back in twenty sixteen. They did not have a sponsor to start the season. We were assuming that the reason for the delay of the jersey announcement that jersey launch was because they were trying to get a sponsor. They don't have a sponsor a lot of other teams. Don't have a sponsor a lot of other teams have to adjust their sponsor pandemic related and the ways that marketing companies. And what people are buying has more finn is. They're going to be any movement on this or just waiting for something to happen in twenty twenty two. I feel like i should write about it for backpass It's a. it's a good question. So i i don't have a good answer because i haven't really talked to anyone. I mean i i literally met wayne rant for the first time a couple of weeks ago. shook his hand and had literally nothing to say to the man. Because i don't really think about the business and marketing side of the team. That much. I think i think about it when we talk about the possibilities stadium. Relocation or I think a lot about how it plays in with the roster And you know the the thing that i think people who've listened to the podcast for a long time if it'd be probably like a thousand times. Which is you don't worry about the profitability. The club you worry about the appreciation value of the club. But that's really what we're talking about right now or we're talking about here is the question of what exactly is the valuation. That club needs to hang on a kit sponsor and there's three possibilities here in my humble opinion possibility one major league. Soccer has a shop window. Price for A kit sponsor and not necessarily that it's one-size-fits-all but they basically kind of issue league-wide guidelines teams and say this is what you should do and nobody has successfully fulfilled that possibility for a kit sponsor for the colorado rapids. Possibility to is that the rapids came up with their own valuation and that valuation comes with Usually like as it with transamerica a certain number of other advertising opportunities right certain number of hoardings a certain number of upright You know in the corner banners which is something that they did with chow like chow. Got themselves festooned all over the stadium after dishing out fifty thousand dollars of the. I think three's three million dollars that they were said to have been given the giving to the rapids for gift sponsorship and then the rest of the money never came and took like you know four months before the rapids could get cranes in their remove chow banners so that was kind of embarrassing But anyways it comes. It's basically a package deal right and that ease the packages x. amount of dollars and includes like you know halftime sponsored by. Pabst blue ribbon. Pabst blue ribbon kit sponsors for the car you know like transamerica had a deal which included a bunch of things. Maybe you all notice this. That i'm telling you also think you know but these are the things that have i've paying attention to in the side So that's that's positively to. There's a set price the entire package deal and nobody's been willing to match to make The third possibility. And that's the only one that answers our question in a way that might satisfy the listener Which is that. They are willing to negotiate on the kit sponsor. They've they have kind of a ballpark figure. But now that nobody has bought the rights to being on the front of the kit. That number is and if you come in you know say your big al's car dealership in arap arapahoe like or you know pueblo. Maybe you come sweeping in and you say hey we'll give you eighty five thousand dollars a day the sponsor for the next two years. You know that's ridiculously low. And you're probably devaluing your property the from my perspective matt the challenges and this is the thing that i know as a professional in jewish day schools which is one of the things is if you have a kid Maybe this is a little bit about sausages made in private schools and parochial schools. If you have a family come to you and they say we went roller in your school. You don't have a lot of money. We know tuition is fifteen thousand dollars. We'll give you five right. You're going to have a teacher in that classroom many ways. The building still has to have electrical and water right. The administration gets that be paid so if you take five thousand dollars for that kid. It's five thousand dollars more than you would have had right and you can say like oh you know. It's ten thousand dollars of financial aid but the reality is the end of the day is thousand dollars more in your pocket to me matthew. That's the way the car rapid should be dealing with their kit sponsorship. It's embarrassing to not have a kit sponsorship in. Mls the only other team in the league. That doesn't have a gift. Sponsorship is inter miami and they are hot. Hot freaking mess. Absolute trainwreck football team. That cannot who at one foot in front of the other without being a total catastrophe right. They literally had like five. Gp's at some point wittily three or allowed so at that point that you just say to yourself like we'll take eighty five eighty five thousand dollars from big al's car barn like that's that's the way to go and yeah maybe like you know it only lasts eighteen months but it kind of looks chintzy but you know matt. I don't know what would be out wolf is kate. Neon wolf is this art collective. That's a sponsor of new mexico. United right and i assume meow wolf doesn't have a ton of money but the reality is they make the kit look cool and at the end of the day is a couple more bucks in their pockets than they otherwise would have had so my humble opinion is the rapids absolutely lower their bottom lower. They should do what a woman does when she meets me in my younger days when i was single at a bar at one forty five in the morning. She lowers expectations in order to talk to me right the rap z. To lower their expectations A few news notes mark. But i have to address that There is a meow wolf in denver. Folksy mark is right is a very weird modern art collection. I don't even know how to describe it. Having been to one and i've been to one but you have to experience and i would say that it's worth going and there is me out wolf and it is now open again. Mark that big weird geometric gray building that if you're driving south on i twenty five from downtown to the colefax exit and then so you have mile high on your right going southbound and that big gray building off the off ramp to get onto colfax that is denver's meow wolf just in case you're wondering there folks and i guess the other thing that i'll say markets if we do get rapids fan. Who takes us up on that. Nf t. n. p. three copy of this episode. I think certainly. I you if chow was able to get on the shirts for four months and then get away with not paying anything only given the rapids fifty k. I think we could probably give at least some of that million dollars purely for the mean fun of having the rapids roll out in their holding the highline sponsored burgundy kits ron game. Now how much would you. How much would you give to the colorado. We should we should straight up. And i think i will do this instead of lunch hour. I am writing up a request for proposal or some sort of like submission letter and i'm sending it out on twitter to all the fans you how much. How much would you throw in author on five hundred dollars to be the for eighty sponsor. Will you throw in five hundred dollars. That's a thousand dollars more than they have. Yeah i'll throw and five hundred bucks on this one mark laws and laws and we have stipulated within the deal. We each get at least one of the game worn jersey so we can wear. I want the calendar kosta. H. t. h. l. sponsored colorado rapids burgundy shirt game war. I wanted to go bassett. No you actually as ridiculous as it sounds. I know how they do. He press you do too because we've been to the media game. They can heat presses shirt in like an hour. It's like fifteen minutes. It's no big deal. What would it be the craziest idea in the world to sign a thirty four pack of kit sponsors to just pick thirty four local businesses at a thousand bucks a pop at thirty four grand. They didn't have before and each one is a work of art. And i'm sure the employees of that business would would like fall over themselves to like give give more money to the colorado rapids to buy a game worn jersey with their own company's logo on the front. There's opportunity here. You just have to be creative. Wayne brandt listen to our podcast. We've got ideas for you. Let us be your in house. Marketing team moving onto some other news notes. Marcotte courtney ford was loan to san antonio see i was on the san antonio are the san antonio soccer podcast i will include linked to that in the show notes talking about what that means for court ford and joining his former teammate. A big axe axel. Who you betty down there. In san antonio on i will be speaking robin fraser later this week. Mark to know a little bit more about the details on. That did get some good nuggets when i spoke to him about the roz a couple of weeks going to san diego loyal. Who's been playing regularly for landon donovan side. So really looking forward to mark. Finally courtney ford stepping on the field and a competitive game and actually playing at centre. Even if it won't be in berkeley and blue. I guess technically in a position of being a competitor to the rapids Ucla affiliate colorado springs switchback on the other news. That we have is the october ninth game. The colorado rapids were due to play at minnesota. United has been moved. Folks that has been moved to that sunday october. Ten the kickoff time is now three. Pm mountain time. And you want to know. What the big kicker here is rabbi was that the game has been moved to espn colorado by be if nothing else. Vindication from the national media is the colorado rapidly previously had zero nationally. Televised game have been bumped to a nationally televised games. The rapids are the late season. Flex game to be flexed in for that the rapids will be on national. Tv there will be no block. My altitude on the tenth of october against loons mark as the rapids go for clean sweep of adrian heath team. And then the last thing that i'll say here folks This was something that i teased in talking about. So i tweeted out. I was having a conversation with see on twitter after the twos game against the galaxy. And i mentioned the jack price swig of modell. Oh that was on the stream. I didn't get a screen shot of it. Obviously the club kept that out. I'm going to assume are people in the pr department. Who won't make that available to me even though that means but there are many aspects of this episode tonight mark in which we have good and fun marketing ideas. That would be fun and would increase the buzz around the team that people listen to and that's fine. I respect i respect the professionalism of that and having a player drinking in the media session albeit just to sip. I understand that something. They don't want in the public sphere for consumption. And doing and that being said it kinda pointed to the fact mark that tweeted it out and understandably without having picture. It didn't happen didn't happen. People won't believe me. And so i'm going to turn out for the first time publicly. The conversation the first in person one v one conversation. I had with robin fraser back. This would have been right around two years ago now of him taking over as head coach of the colorado rapids and usually in the first media interaction. I have with somebody mark a new player. A new coach somebody else within the organization who. I'm not sure how to call them. I asked how they like to be addressed on a recent episode that we had with the interview. I did with marc anthony k. I started off by asking. Do you prefer mark or mark anthony. And he answered that so mark. We both did this with anthony hudson. We came when he arrived and we understood that he preferred to be addressed as gaffer pablo. In case you were wondering folks. He was fine with pablo and he was fine with coach. Didn't really care for mr master. Any though i never actually tried it but i didn't wanna see his scowl if indeed. He didn't like it so i'm in the media session mark. It's just me one v one. There's no altitude cameras. They're not recording it. I'm fumbling with my phone to get my recorder app back in the before times when we were doing in person media. It was very obvious. Robin as i was asking my first question that he saw that i wasn't recording him. We were decent. I'll say fifteen feet away from anybody else. Players were facing the opposite end. Some of them were still on the field. A bunch of them had already left and everybody was kind of moving a little bit further away. We were maybe close to midfield on field twenty Looking south it would be and then obviously the main exit you have. There is going north where you go around on the north side and hit that little concrete bunker there or concrete bar there folks Our good friend. John bobby wrote in chalk beat ourselves for that photo that i used in my preview article for last word for the rocky mountain cup. And so i'm talking robin say you know hey robin. I always ask how people for to be addressed. You prefer coached uber for robin. You prefer mr frazier anything. And he kind of shakes ted passively and he says honestly matt anything but polar face and work good and i dropped my phone and i burst out laughing to the point. Where a bunch of people in the distance. Look to see like what happened there. Why is matt laughing in his first one. V one on interview with robin fraser. I obviously wasn't recording. I pick up my phone. And i hit the record button and ask them more technical question and then robin goes into. I'm dealing with the media. I am on the record. This audio could be released. i'm going to be quoted. I need to be two percent myself in a certain light. That i care for it to the extent that i care about media i have mentioned this to multiple people who work within the club and kind of the consensus to kind of consensus that i get mark is they don't believe that that is something that robin they don't believe that's something that robin would say or the second one they say. Is that something that he would be like behind closed doors when he knows he's competent each. Say it in the locker room. But that's not something he'd say to anybody external he wouldn't have said that to anybody at altitude if he knew i was recording. He would've have said it. I mentioned it to multiple players as well and that was also the general consensus that i've gotten so nobody believes me mark and the only other person who was there is robin and i'm sure he's never gonna actually answer so there. You know folks in any case you are wondering those are the two that robin frazier prefers not to be addressed other than that robin coach. I'm sure fine. I've never called him gaffer. I've never called him. Mr frazier but those two words that obviously have leapt out. You can fill a gap of you know what you think. It is there folks and so. We'll move on mark this saturday at dick's sporting goods park in commerce colorado. We got the second. I forgot to address the other. Ask h l that we had and this is something that was confusing folks that i will admit this something. I got wrong in my initial preview. So i will default t the something jason maxwell continues to be the expert on it and i apologize jason. You've had to answer this question. Probably way too much in the past ten days week or so. The rocky mountain cup is not decided folks on agricole's and unlike last year where it was determined at the mls has back match would not be included in the rocky mountain cup. All three games between the clubs. This year will be included in the rocky mountain company. It's not a to lake series. It is technically three leg trophy but it is decided. I on point so right now as win in colorado rapids have a win on points. They are three to three each getting three points for their win. However the first tiebreaker is goal difference so in that regard are cell is technically a plus too because they won their game by three the rapids their game by one and then the next tiebreaker that we have is away goals and then obviously are still having won the colorado rapids obviously having zero so scenarios upon which the rapids could win and thus retained the rocky mountain cup. They could go into rio tinto league. They play in the middle of october. I'd have to look up. Excuse me they go win. Game outright They could not tie it because then our cell would win on away because our so would then win on goal difference with the plus two with being ties rapids half to win that third game at rio tinto in order to retain the rocky mountain cup. Any other scenario draw scoring draw. No matter what's going on with away goals are sell will retain are so will regain the trophy so that answers that. But let's move on to the good stuff mark on this saturday at dick's sporting goods park the colorado rapids played real salt lake. We got. I will argue the best lineup of the season for the colorado rabbits. I will say that. Mark anthony k in an advanced attacking position austin trustee in the improved role that he has done as the left center. Back left wing back left back. Role that is a net. And then kevin costner returning the starting eleven playing ninety minutes so that answers your question folks about whether or not he was going to be okay after being under health and safety protocol for three games i will argue. That borrows sway that. He's playing calendar costs to return lineup. Mark anthony k added the midfield and austin trusted. What he's been able to do in the last month that is a net positive for the colorado rapids that negates and is more than the negative that they lost in san vines. In that. i'm saying that robin fraser's three four three. That he had with boubacar wilson trustee at the back a midfield of bassett. Acosta price and rosen berry and then k. borrows and rubio upfront. Is the best lineup the colorado rapids had the start to the game however was not the best that the rapids had in the opening. Twenty or thirty minutes mark. They came out really nervous. They were not very sharp on the ball. They were doing a decent job of dealing with the press. They couldn't really get forward to actually get up and then set up their attack. Either in transition through long balls to borrows or in possession oursel- who were coming out. In a four four two and very happy to bunker encounter and they were very very effective with albert rusnak up top with we own ravine several very good opportunities for them and the opening half hour and then it appeared that they took the lead on thirty four on the thirty four. Th minute there was a set piece from rusnak. Close to midfield puts it in justin. Glad gets to it. First with a volley wide open. And we'll find out why he was wide. Open a minute here. And he puts it to goal with him. Yarbrough can't really control it. Not sure if there was an assist or not but in any case rubio re rabin is there to basically tapped the ball over line also falling over into the net himself. It's capped off the nightmare. Start for the colorado rapids. Making off was ultimately delayed and it was found out that the goal was ruled offside and then Mls var on account run by pro. Folks tweeted out after that that it was determined that justin glad was off side. So glad was off side not rubio rabin therefore the goal was negated and the rapids. Lucked out on that one folks again. A little bit more confidence. They had a really good set-piece opportunity in stoppage time but then it didn't really work out and it halftime ruby. Looked absolutely fantastic. Rusnak luke fantastic. This was many shades the own goal in the first leg. Notwithstanding of just the setup that they had the rapid being frustrated not really able to get out of second year an awesome having their way so rapid had more of the ball they had purposeless possession maybe more opportunities but oursel- was creating dangerous opportunities. They were in control of the game without the ball and something needed to change mark and it did not really change. Our cell comes out continues to have a bunch of really good opportunities and then ultimately they score six minutes into the half another ball an outlet to honors herrera who is having a fan terror aaron herrera. Maybe i'm confusing him with the i might be confusing him with the Us with it is aaron herrera not honors. I'm confusing him with the mexican international. I apologize aaron harare. Even though you're goalkeeper can't get the head coaches of other teams in. Mls correctly in any case ourselves is up one nil in the first minute. Mark aaron harare with overlapping. Run a very across to him from rusnak and then he pulls the michael barr of going all the way to the end line cutting back and then crossing into the open space and then rusnak is there to absolutely smash and deservedly so ourselves is up rapids continue to become really predictable and at this point mark. I can throw out. The three five to wasn't really working in individuals weren't having their match up. The rapids just need to sequences in which they can score and they needed to keep a clean sheet the rest of the forty minutes and they found a way to do that. That started in the sixty four. Th minute The rapids winning a corner With borrow ultimately winning it. He was not very effective in terms of creating chances for his teammates allotted of near misses. There's wasn't as effective and wasn't able to get his distribution to his teammates but he wins a corner on sixty four minutes. And then jack price put the ball into a crowded area. Diego rubio is a fox in the crowded box and he's able to not much power but bounce the ball perfectly and then put it in a place where andrew putnam isn't able to get to it. Zach mcmath former colorado rapids started in this game folks in the final minutes of the first half. He sustained a right in injured. Right knee injury as i reported. And then he was subbed out for andrew putting unfortunate that he was unable to be there and defend the goal for the half that they would have been playing right next to see thirty eight in the south stance in any case the rapids. One one we see a line change just a minute later. She knew shaky on on and lewis on for bassett rubio and borrows and then the game really opens up after that both teams really going for it and then finally we get the winner in the seventy first minute. Mark anthony k opening his account for the rapids. Ryan galvan and diego rubio Excuse me he can rosen. Barry combining well galvante cuts back in a very michael barr. It was like way puts the ball rather than crossing it low on the ground. Which borrows was doing. And it wasn't very effective with silva and glad at centerback he puts it up in the air. And then mark. Anthony k with a late run. He didn't really have to jump for mark like he ran into. And then just like headed like you ran into the path. Trajectory of the ball two-headed in and the rapid score. Things get really really tricky in the final ten minutes. It appears that justin mirror is taken down in the box wilson with a shoulder. Pull on him. I'm across into the box. We then go to our. And then it's determined that. Well wilson pulled miriam down. That mir was actually offside on it. So thus the vr ruled out the penalty. It was off side right before that yet a big shoving match from both teams and again the rapid show measured concha caffeine measured backbone without getting in trouble and playing to the extent the res- allowing them to and it played into their hands with how frustrated are cell was how flustered that they were now. Being down a goal you have the south stands. Chancing f- salt lake in the final minutes. We get seven minutes to stoppage-time mark but the rapid. See the game out they win. They get their first rocky mountain cup. Victory the season mark anthony k with his first goal and a signature victory against the mental hurdle. The psychological demon the boogeyman to the colorado rapids. That capped off three wins in eight days. Rabbi what was your thing from this rockets night. At the i mean the best moment ever which i think might carry through as maybe one of the best like top. Five moments of the whole season was galvin's winning goal. The what seventy first minute It was just exceptional. It was just. I mean i he. I would be remiss if i did not incarnate. The name of one of our favorite rape Rapids from the past This day sanchez. Who wants put a dude on full blast by getting gygi with a down the sideline in the mand cities zone. Just i remember. I made this. This'll tell you fans how far how long ago this was. I made a vine of this back in the day. When vides existed of seth's novick getting absolutely gutted by the center sanchez and And he put him on ee put into the sword and then he took it down the line that didn't result in a goal. The same thing happened here. Which is galvin. Switched it up with a Kind of a back healy Tourney kind of deceptive a dribble from his right to his left He put donnie toya on his back and then flipped it in with his dominant left foot Resulting in a goal and it was just exceptional. It was just an absolute wonderful goal. You could not get any better than that in the sense that it was a game. Winning goal It was exceptionally beautiful. Skill move by a rapids player. Who is on the come up against our bitter rival fo in a game that meant the rocky mountain cop or went a long way toward solidifying the rocky mountain cup so i mean that is just at almost as good as it gets. I mean short of You know like solidifying in actual larger league-wide trophy like supporters shields or getting yourself into the playoffs or something like that It's about as good as it gets. That's all i need man. You know you don't need to get this week. I've been less tactical less numerical more into the beautiful game for it's sake because you know. Sometimes the game is about moments in. This was the moment matt when he got for me. Well i think that these quotes. You're gonna sound very very familiar. If you've been listening you know watching all the videos from it but i think bears repeating given that. This was the this capped off everything. This was the signature this the sugar sprinkles on top of the frosting on top of the cherry to the cake that was one of the best weeks in colorado rapids history. Probably the best week robbins tenure as head coach of the team. And so just you know the exclamation on that. Were some of the things that he said and post game really proud of this team. We didn't play particularly well to find a way to. Win was a tremendous accomplishment arsenal. Make things different and they just. They found a way to win. I asked him. You know if i got a time machine and went back to the previous saturday and found robin of the past in in. Houston i said hey robin you're gonna win the next three games. What do you think he said you know. I never bet against my team to win. Those three games would have been extremely tough. And what an accomplishment it would be. And i think diego ru rubio while not the most loquacious players obviously speaking when he does media. He's done it for the most part with me in english. He hasn't needed a translator. so he's a little bit A little bit more short and a little bit more direct some of its contents but he said probably the most difficult game of the season. We didn't play great but normal teams. They find a way to lose this game. Great teams they find a way to win. You know i it wasn't about you know nuance or game. Plan or anything. It was just finding away to score two goals and important moments and that was it for the game. Everybody stepped up in the quote. That really stood out to me here folks. Let me see if i can find this year for us. Every game is a final. We are motivated to go out there. We go together so just the treating every single game like a final. That is how this team has done from intensity standpoint and despite everybody everything that you know the national media mark wants to talk about the skill gap or the fact that the rapids. Don't have a star. You know you can't win and rubio lawsuit. Boubacar isn't as good enough of a centre-back will fill the chad. Marshall theorem everything. This team treats every single game like a final. We'll beat skill when skill isn't willing to will as much as will is willing to will. And the william william yarborough and the colorado rapids willed their way in the second half of this game just as they did against houston just as they did against the galaxy and keep doing that and if they play at the collective all of that effort all that energy intensity that can add up in a way to where they can play as well and thus compete with a team that has an equal odero that brings just such an individual value as a player and so they can recreate him. We haven't had a moneyball reference in a while mark the rapids can effort and in particular skills. Recreate jason giambi in the aggregate with three players. I don't know if that means that You know then this that mitch mitch. Hedberg is the or the the rubio is the mitch hattiesburg of the colorado rapids in this analogy. But i'm okay with it. Mark any bad things other than i guess. The fact that the start wasn't very very good. And i spoke with somebody very very close to the front office at halftime. Who works for the club. Mark who said bluntly like three five two didn't work. It wasn't really gonna work ourselves down twenty minutes. I you know as we talked about in the past on the pod. We understand what robbins trying to do. There's a time to deploy it. And this was not it. And i think as soon as they shifted out of it and focused a couple of different things and made some adjustments particularly after that. Line change with the three subs on the sixty fifth minute. Things got better. And i think there are ways for the rapids to continue to be dynamic and do what they wanna do in ways. That are less predictable. And i think they're much less. They're much more predictable in the three five to rabbi your thoughts i agree you know. Formation is is It's interesting that they're trying to change the formation tactically for week to week against. I think all. I've learned since sam vines departed is. They're not quite sure what to do. Since san finds departed. They definitely tried to trust the To do sam vines. He type things they've been. I think on paper One of the apps that throws these things up there probably flip mob called this last formation a three four three which is always confusing because when keegan roseberry he sits at home. But he's really a right back. And i don't think he can take the right. Backing out of keegan rosen berry and then you get. They often Say in these kind of formations nickel bassett is the left midfielder when he winds up playing forward Kind of like in a four. Three three in the final third. Sometimes he floats kind of deep and is looking at ten and then defense he winds up coming back centrally I don't know. I don't know one of the challenges always of you know making out a formation calling it something is it's gonna look different in attack and defence. I honestly think that maybe we should really start writing that down to showing what the what the formation looks like you know issuing the lineup is eleven players and saying you know. It's going to be this in this and it's going to be that of that. I don't know maybe that's his tuition formation for the average fan but I think i think they'd be at least ought commentators. When they're calling the game might say it's this an attack comma but it's In defense but yeah. I mean you know. That's that's all that also negates the reality that in transition in the middle third of the feel. They'll they'll look differently. Formation than they will the final third. I don't know if i answered the question. Sometimes it's just late at night. And i'm tired yet will sit. There will say a co bassett. at times. he was almost say the opening twenty minutes. The role that most taboo like left wing back in the three four three three five to almost he quipped himself well in certain moments but overall it didn't really look good It should be pointed out. Look estevez was available. He did not come off the bench for the rap. Isn't this one. So i think that's an indication that he's really really close to making his debut permanent solution especially if he's a player that fits the skill set of sam vines. And maybe maybe we'll see the rapids be a little bit more solid there mark because that moves austin trustee back centrally and allows co bassett to do some of the more forward-thinking stuff that he is but your point is well take in that robin frazier's tried to come up with creative and complicated solutions to not having sam vines. In the last two months some of them have worked really well some of them not so much and the long term solution to then re stabilize the team to playing well as well. They were in june and certainly in may especially home. When they're on the front foot in the four three overlapping fullbacks is with lucas. Estevez in plugging into that sam vines role with all the nuances going forward as a fullback Book forward this coming saturday. August twenty eighth at seven pm standard time. The colorado rapids will be again heading to l. to take on sporting kansas city. For the third time this season we currently find ourselves one thousand nine hundred thousand dollars through the colorado rapids twenty twenty one season. They are in third in the western conference. Second on points per game. They have thirty seven points off of nineteen games played. They have a record of eleven four and four and a plus ten goal difference away from. Dsp they have a record of five three and one which is spectacular. The we taking on sporting kansas city who are second in points in the west they have thirty nine points off of twenty one games. Played a record of eleven four and six so the two games in hand. The rapid tab swore in kansas city effectively got draws in those games in hand and they have a goal difference of plus fifteen at blue hill the season they are five four one one of those winds coming against the aforementioned colorado rapids their one loss came on july thirty first in a two one loss to fc dallas. There was much discussion about the officiating in that one mark and allowing fc dallas time wasted and that included brisson getting a yellow card for time wasting in getting subbed offer. Fc dallas in the second half was a game and then he gets upset with the yellowcard throat takes office in pads throws them bites them and takes even more time warning. Twitter was arguing that he could have gotten a second yellow. And thus wouldn't have been able to supp- fc dolls. Doing some cauca caffeine things to get a road. Victory it happens. Nobody's gonna go undefeated in the regular season at home. Mark too much to talk about the personnel. He'll it should be pointed out that. Sporting kansas city crashed out of leaks cup spectacularly. They did have a couple of injuries. But since then they've rotated back in the regular starters i would expect on polluter up top. I would respect johnny russell. The start in this game as well. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Night in the all star game to see whether or not daniel shallowly subs in or is able to start got aquinas. Going to be in midfield. Ilias sanchez is going to be back from yellowcard. Accumulation phone does is looking like a dark horse for the goalkeeper year and two is still very good in graham equipping himself. Well in you know one of his You know in the twilight of his career mark. This is really good team. This is a team that is playing. Well this is the team that has played well since the draw in which they basically played a b team and got a nil. Nil draw against the colorado rapids. This feels similar to the two games against sporting the season similar to the game against seattle. Sounders like another measuring stick for the colorado rapids. we've seen them grow. In last three games they played in eight days and this is an opportunity against a competent row team that similar oursel- has historically had their number. Let's see whether or not the rapids can improve on the performance that they got in a nil at home and definitely improve on the first half performance and of the scoreline in the result when they got absolutely shellacked in blue hill back at the end of june two months ago. Rabbi your thoughts on this match. Yeah we've seen we've seen this team many times I think we're all tired of them. to the degree that They they make it hard for the car rapid theory very good soccer team. But this is where you shine. This is where you prove yourself I i don't think we've reached phase of the season where I don't need to provide any tactical analysis statistical analysis. We know who this team is. They're extremely capable They tend to be really difficult in In the middle third and their midfield defence. Very well with the exception of shiloh kabuchiko. Who's not with them anymore. Anyways they're centrebacks their weakness. So if you can drive at them or if you can locate toboggan them you've got a shot there so i think that that's really yet i said you know. We don't need to talk about tactical analysis in than i gave tackle analysis. But i think the the the thing was san jose sporting. Kansas city is they're familiar It's gonna be about who wants it more. It's going to be really important that they really pay attention to the video from the last couple of games but i think individual performances will probably make a big difference one thing. We haven't talked about a lot of this. Podcast is miss shots. There was a beautiful coal. Bassett curling ball in the galaxy game. That went off the crossbar There was a really great chance by diego. Rubio in the first half of the rs l. game That he blew over the top of the crossbar You know a lot of times at the end of the day. You need those chances to kind of like bang in. So i think that's what it's gonna take against sporting a little bit of lock driving right at the setbacks and paying attention to the game plan your i'm almost gonna phrase this mark kind of like how we did last four game. Anticipating the peter for me was going to start his first team and say you know first of all. Take a draw on this one. I think it draws absolutely a good result for the rapids given reporting is in the table. This won't be one of their games in hand that they have over this team simply just not dropping points in letting them widened the gap between the two. I think it's certainly the first priority. But i would almost after what i just said about. How the three five to generally work mark. I would say the team's grown in what that three five two looks like. And then i think if we look at it in what it will look like with how less how stronger midfield will be with calinikos. Kosta back with the team with mark. Antony kay back with the team and then with probably lucas estevez making his rapids day view. I think that's the best version personnel wise of what the three five two can actually look like. You take how this team has learned their lessons from what mistakes that were made june mistakes that remained july even going back to You know poor performance that they've had in the month of august. And you apply those cumulatively. Like what i was just saying about the cumulative effort you apply the human of lessons that they've learned in the too much sense. These two teams have played at children's mercy park. I think they're set up to be a better version of three five two to counterattack playthrough to borrow sin everything so i would expect them to come out be pragmatic just like they were against the galaxy. And then you know. Adjust to the game in tactical changes in personnel changes in substitutions in the second half. And i'll tell you right now i'll take a one one draw. I'll take a neal draw. And this one. I think particularly A metric that. I've used mark in the past with other sports teams and this is a really good example. Anytime i- miami hurricanes have played one of the super teams that you have in college football. They played at clemson last year. They're opening up on labor day. Weekend against alabama with the big chick-fil-a kickoff game and the metric that i use with a couple of other my friends that miami hurricanes twitter talks about. How long does it take us for us to look and just on the tests and then have metex somebody or one of my friends and my group check. Text me back. Yeah bama's better than us. Yeah clemson's better than us and we're going to lose this game and so. I think the it was very obvious thirty minutes in to the game against sporting kansas city yeah sporting better than colorado rapids and then you look at the game against seattle at home here for the fourth of july game. Seattle didn't play their full strength. Squad you look at it against sporting kansas city about a month ago now. Sporting kansas city didn't play their first choice squad. If it is best. I came for the colorado rapids versus best first team for sporting kansas city. When do i do i at some point on the tests. Say yes for the better team at. It's obvious on the test. And what minute does that happen at the very least can we say that it doesn't happen in the first half. It happens on twitter in the ninetieth minute than we know. This team has grown in the last two months but it took thirty minutes last time. These two teams played at that stadium auto east side on the west side of kansas city. For me to say yeah. It's mornings the better team and it's not even close. Can the rapids improving their formats performance. take what they've learned with the new personnel coming in and give a performances says this team on their essays can absolutely go toe to toe with an cup contender and if we could say that after ninety minutes i think that on performance even in a close loss even in a one-goal loss will be a bigger victory in terms of what this team is trying to achieve then if they were to go in there and get an ugly uninspiring undeserved draw. Rabbi your thoughts. Shall we get out of here. You said it well. Let's let's do the thing listeners. You can support our podcast by buying a t shirt a we've got these great In mike we trust t-shirts still on sale I seem to have a lot of extra largest matt. So unless unless i'm wrong you we seem to have a few more extra largest. 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EP. 491 - Dixxon Flannel Co's Danny Dreyer

Mark Bell's Power Project

2:04:52 hr | 7 months ago

EP. 491 - Dixxon Flannel Co's Danny Dreyer

"This episode of mark bottles power project. Podcast is brought to you by piemontese beef and i really wanna talk about piedmontese beef. Because in my opinion it is the most underrated most untucked about this underutilized tools when it comes to Bodybuilders ended diets. Can you explain exactly why that isn't sima. Yeah man it's actually pretty awesome because we have a lot of bodybuilders on this podcast and every single time we get one on be always tell them about piemontese because when a bodybuilder goes on a bible diet they're like i wanna eat low fat and i can't eat a lot of calories and they always end up eating chicken breasts to lappia just really meets very weak burberry But piemontese is awesome because they have a lot of different options in terms of their meet. That have a great amount of protein like good amounts of protein. But not a crazy amount of fat so you can be trying to do a diet and you can eat a lot of meet a lot of red meat. That tastes great. That's tender without all of the extra calories. But i want to give this a big but because a lot of people like but i like that. They also have a lot of options of different cuts of meat that have more amounts of fats. So that's you're jammed. That's what you wanna do. You have that option to you. Can't loose i like. They added a big but we love. Big butts cannot lie but seriously stop eating week. You know birds consumer just said head over to piedmontese dot com that's p. i e. m. o. n. t. s. e. dot com at checkout enter promo code power project for twenty five percent off your order and if you're older is ninety nine dollars more get free. Two day shipping. Highly highly highly. Recommend you check out the flat iron steak because what insieme just said. It's ridiculously high in protein. An insanely low in fat. Go check that out right now. What a power project crew. This josh sutlej aka settled gate here to introduce you to our next guest. Danny dryer dany dixon. Flannel dryer is the founder and ceo of dixon. Flannel he's also the host of the eighty dollar and a dream podcast and a father of two boys his company dixon flannel is an apparel company. That danny started in an attempt to make a couple extra hundred bucks month while meeting. His need of high quality durable flannels that look fresh far beyond their. I wash what started as a way for danny to make a little extra cash while he worked in his father's motorcycle shop has now turned into a multi-million dollar brand that is thousands of fans from the low rider and biker seen chomping at the bit for each new peril drop every month his podcast hundred and eighty dollars in a dream reflects on his own journey. How he started originally loading up his trunk and traveling across california selling his new custom. Branded flannels aloe ryder. Get togethers and biker. Meetups danny was able to take dixon flannels from doing twenty-five orders a day out of his own house to thousands of orders every day operated out of their headquarters in tempe arizona. Dixon flannels are now recognized as a limited in specialty item which tend to auction off on ebay for resale at over one hundred dollars per flannel. Danny has also been involved in custom designing his own boats with a number one luxury high performance boat manufacturer in the country eliminator boats. You guys probably don't want to hear about that because that is a different story. Please enjoyed this conversation with danny dryer. I'm guessing it was massive. Wasn't just dirty. It was fucking massive. I remember shit like that in my life on excited. I'm so excited. I got to see this like. Let's go gordon now. So can have some poop stories today. Have some hoops to has some stories to because This'll be nice it's period. He's been hitting up some exercise and then he's awesome. Wait too. I think really every go. He's been peleton. So you have a lot of these finals right. I act via the team here. And smokey. now. Smokey is hustling lease. These flannels around a lot. And then my buddy sean. Our buddy sean. Provost is a huge fan and I think they're kicking out the same vibes. I think danny drier and sean provost kind of have the same same shit going on. They both have a lot of tattoos and they get gas and business. Inner both into fashion and so Sean is the one that kind of made me. Aware of of danny and smokey's want it made me aware of the brand and Sean was this guy on the podcast guys. Just light and shit up. He's got like a fifty thousand square foot facility out in tempe arizona. That just looks awesome. Like it's like a a man cave on crack you know it's like instead of a man cave it's like a man mall and he's got a bunch of his cars and there's buddies got a bunch of vehicles in there and they like you know work on their cars and in all kinds of different shit like that. So very similar to sean sean. Into coffee in the cars and another similarity to sean is that sean didn't invent coffee. You know Danny dryer didn't invent or create flannels. But he made flannels at are better executed than most on the market. And maybe even better than everybody and now there's probably a lot of people trying to mimic that and try to ride the coattails of that It's it's interesting right. Because a flannels checkered long-sleeve shirt. I mean who wears flannels like people in colder temperature climates and farmers to protect themselves from the sun. But other than that. Who cares about flannel. Till this guy you know helps people to care about flannels. I think maybe like west coast choppers or something kind of dated back to some of that stuff but it's my understanding is a lot of it is steeped in a lot of motorcycle. People like it and his sheds took taken off. Don't forget low riders my. I'm pretty sure there's multiple photos of like my dad's and my dad and my uncles You know rolling around flannels in their low riders. My data this. My dad had impala sixty four. Impala still has a forty eight panel truck going the red room. but you're the low rider. Culture for sure is a huge aspect of it. All what's going on danny. Can you hear us okay again. How are you guys. we doing. Fantastic congratulations with the success of your brand and everything you have going on man. Thank you so much it means to me man. I really really appreciate you know I kick it off with man is that you know how can how can you be taken seriously as a businessman when you're covered in tattoos had to tell i mean that's unconventionally. You can't be that way right right you know. I love defying those kinds of things. You know like i. I even even like on a personal level. I can tell my kids that we go to the grocery store or something like that and like you know if you see a woman in french just like trying to teach them manners and stuff you know like opening doors for ladies or if i see like old lady or something then like trying to carry groceries or something like that. China defy odds even on a personal level but yes. It's it's a funny way of doing business especially with like very very corporate places. We're still getting you know what's What's your background like. What were you like in school and stuff like that like Do the tattoos represent You know something inside that wanted to be a little different like did you may be struggling school or or what was that experience like for you. Yes largely say that my exterior now probably shows the exact story that you that you imagine the past. So i didn't fit in at school really really anywhere. I excelled pretty well. I did well academically for the most part. But i was extremely bored. I didn't like it. I didn't like conventional ways. Didn't ever really want to fit into the box that they they say that you should Very artistic very creative and and that kind of lends to my reasoning for always being to artistic expressions like as far as tattoos and whatnot also more so from a time. I got barely been in the last like ten years. I'm so from time that realistically. They weren't as widely accepted as they are today. Now i really don't see many barriers in it. But like when i was younger. That is definitely a big thing. But i signed myself out of school today i turned eighteen. I'm a high school about. I went back and with the continuation school just to get my diploma and stuff at zero college experienced. Never what the business or anything like that. So you know kind of self taught and self moved person to share that you share some of that with your children or they may be too young at the moment to talk to him about their. They're too young at the moment How ever their education Their morale and their manners extremely extremely important to me. So i was just having a conversation within this morning like i'm not a big fan of them playing video games and stuff like that and so you know speaking about them being there for each other as brothers because one of them threw a book at the other little little one is just. He's just a helen like trying to throw some education out the other one's head you know but yet they're they're too young for that portion right now but i spent a lot of time you know focusing on what's important with them or what's important to me i should say. Hey danielle's curious. Like you know if i was in high school and i heard that you had dropped out. I'd be like yeah. It worked for him. It's going to work for me. Like i just i. I mean the three of us. We all didn't really love school I actually really hated it but like do you have any advice for some of the younger listeners. Out there that you know they're like yeah. That's that's that's the path. I want to go down like you know like even with my daughter on like yeah. School sucks but then i'm like shit. I can't say that you know like i. I have to be a little bit more responsible. So how can we responsibly. you know kind of educate the youth and be like hey like i don't know if that was but i like we can Kinda go down our own path. It doesn't have to be this. You know one through twelve and then college and then job type of thing like you know. How can we give them some. You know some advice that like hey you can break the mold. Yes i think. That's an incredible question actually So i try not to really sorry. I don't know how to turn off. That's all right. We're all good nice. Little chime in the background. I try to shy away from that as much as possible when talking to the youth that education is extremely important as far as educational institutions when it comes into college and everything i do try to promote a trade. Schools are a great thing. I think that that's that's a great path for a lot of people with the ways that we can control entrepreneurship these days and then learning a trade at the same time. i think that's incredible opportunity However i do think that education is extremely important. And i think it's a i i mean i would always tell my kids to stay in school and stick it out and i think that realistically what happened with me when i was younger is an even into my twenties. And i'm finding this out even into my early thirties is that you're you're kind of you have to be the master of your mind and i always because i was like this. I'm over you know. And the thing is is that i did the opposite when building my business in had. I done the same way that i did through school. Had done it the same way that i'd done through so many other things i wouldn't be where i am today when you say you did the obsolete what do you mean like you you said you on a lot of things when you were a kid and you handle your business differently when you started either. You're saying that you just didn't quit on anything when it came to your business. Yes i am how i mean that. Is you know the roller coaster. That has entrepreneurism the roller coaster. That has business the amount of things that we go through You know building a business or being a brand builder. If you to stop at the first hard one are fucking tenth. It's like then. We've never see it through and i think a lot of people look at a larger business larger scale and they're like wow. You're grown your brands of this this love and they think it's easier and it doesn't. It's like it's just that those roadblocks just become monumentally fucking bigger. Just like and it gets crazy. That rollercoaster get steeper. The highs get higher the lows get lower and you have to learn that you know that fortitude the resilience and everything moving forward and that's been a huge huge learning curve in my life is being like looking at it and not letting outside factors get into your mind and having to control those thoughts you know just this morning right before i got on this call with you guys. You know like on the phone about like my divorce and go through all this crazy shit like you have to be able to snap out and be like okay. Cool like this doesn't affect me. I'm taking the rest of the day. Positive what what are the positives in this. What do i learned from this out in this. Make me better four toward move on and just go and hit harder than ever before you know you mentioned when you were a kid you would stop certain things and i think i think kids are really intuitive like they stop stuff a lotta times. Because they're not good at it which we don't wanna see that from our children. We want to encourage them to kind of push forward into it. But i'm kind of obsessed with finding out what people really liked to do and what my children really liked to do and doing my best to have them lean towards that encourage them and push them towards things that they sort of naturally like obviously as a parent you gotta tell the line. Is you have to force them to do some shit. They sometimes don't wanna do because it's overall hang out with their grandparents or something and others. There are certain things you want your kids to understand the value of that as they as they move along but i find it really interesting that a lot of times. We were just like i. I don't like that and it's it's not a coincidence. I don't think we don't enjoy it. We don't like not very good at it like if you went and played football with your buddies and every time you played you cried you. You probably just wouldn't care to play football anymore. I highly agree. One hundred percent agree. And i actually. I push my kids quite a bit like him. Skateboard lessons. they're starting golf lessons right now. They haven't really been big on the team sport thing but that is one. That's one hundred percent true. And i think i was definitely that way but would give up too soon. You know. it's like soon as something a hard it was like. I didn't see the big picture. And i think and how that relates busy then is that some people have that thirty thousand foot view of looking outside the box and seeing like seeing what could be what what we are pushing towards. What the goals. And so it seems like teaching your kids to be oriented goal driven and being able to see kind of outside the box and be able to look at things. Positively is a huge thing. And i try to focus on that but i pretty much just kind of push him in just like. Hey you know give me five more practices or give me like five more games. What would you know. And then we'll decide then we'll sit back inside and after that if you don't like it i'm not gonna force you to do anything. You don't like really agree with everything you're saying. I'm really curious about you. Spit like you specific. You're mentioning when you were younger. You do things you quit house. How you are until you start your business right and that kind of really echoes the idea of having a fixed type of mindset. You do something you don't think you're good enough for it and you just quit immediately because you're not good And that's kinda hard. It's hard to shift your mindset to doing something and continuing to do it even when it's really hard and it really really sucks. Most people can't make that mindset shift or they don't even realize that they don't have the right mindset so for you. What did you do before dixon. As far as like working all that is concerned and when did that mindset. Ship talking for your. When did you realize hey. I need a change. The way i'm thinking about the way. I do these things are also mocking to be able to move forward. When did that shift happen for you. So i think that should happen. Probably was about twenty five and this is a little bit before dixon. So i had a couple of businesses before that I tried i kinda during that whole mortgage blow up and everything tried to do. Mortgage thing was a title rent for a little while i was always interested in real estate more so i think at the time just interested in money i was young. You know things. Like i see all these guys like flying private jets gonna beg us every weekend chicks around him. You know how it is like. That's that's the front with the mortgage guides. Give you and that's how you end up. Call center the bottle service and everything comes with it. And and so. I wasn't great at it but i learned a lot about sales a lot about technique in there. I went on after that to figure out. I wanted to be passionately involved in one. I did so after living briefly in chicago. Move back in. I bought a motorcycle shop with my pops and we independen ran his motorcycle shop for about seven years was there and while i was there. I started My my wife time was working in. She was an escrow. And i learned about like how they have. They transfer transported escrow dachshund and stuff at the time so i started a courier company. That was only one that had motorcycles writing for it and so that they could get into l. a. and split wayne's the whole time because in in la or in california can split traffic so we were able to get the fastest turn times operator. Must gas fueled a little bit. More efficient nice started that. When i was about twenty four years old however i still had that mindset of that mortgage guy that young broker and like live like you know like bond know taking limos and getting bought services everywhere doing really well and just as quickly as it started quickly came to an abrupt stop and a lot of reasons why i became. It came to a stop. Because i was not open to hearing other people's ideas i was not open to thinking collaboratively and it wasn't like i let my pride takeover really and when i saw all that go away just because i could handle myself on a board room meeting because i couldn't handle the pressure. I couldn't handle looking at something from a different perspective. That ships started to change so then. When i started dixon i was opened. Might be completely open to different ideas. Completely open to looking at doing it for other reasons outside of financial and being fulfilled by by growing myself. And i think that that was a big big turning point for me like about a year or two dixon and really figuring out that it's like hey you got to suck it up sometimes and you got you got to hear all the shit that you don't wanna hear you have to process it all turned it around and turn it into something positive in turn into growth for yourself and i just. I wasn't about it and you know to be honest with you. Even like self help talks podcast. All that kind of stuff books. Like i wasn't into any of that stuff and i have to be completely honest. I heard any facilit- talk was the first time that was like someone spoke to me. You know like that grabbed my attention. I was like holy fuck. You can't turn this off. Can't deny you know. I think it's very clear when you listen to anti priscilla that he's kinda yelling at himself you know and i think i think you kind of get on his side and you're like man. I feel the exact same way. Like i need to. I mean you shouldn't need someone to kind of tell you to suck it up and to go get it but sometimes you do and he. He's the guy that has neglected fitness. He's the guy that's neglected certain things. And as he was building his business he went up to three hundred pounds. He admits he was out of shape. He admits that he neglected certain things. He admits that his ego got in the way as you were mentioning and so i think when i when i heard for the first time it was the same thing with me i was like. Oh my god like he should be talking into a mirror because he's talking to himself. But how many of us need that self-talk. How many of us need to sit down across from a mirror and have a good hard talk with ourselves. Absolutely i think you're one hundred percent correct and like on my social media my falling isn't anything like yours but as far as getting out to my customers and whatnot. I tried to take same approach by you. Know showing it's like. Hey i'm saying these things. But it's because i need to hear this shit today. I'm saying this. Because it's like as i say it and i ride it. It's like the best way for me to get it all inside and you know internalize it in for everything that i need that day. I'm not perfect. I don't know everything. I don't even know everything that i don't know which is actually a very important thing to figure out at some point You know it's like saying. Hey this is where i come from not just show off. I'm telling you. Because i want you to know that it's possible and i think that his approach is very similar as well and that's and that's why it grabbed me because when you when you look at the end result guy so you'll get andy right now and and it makes everything look like wall. That guy got lucky. That guy this guy that you know. It's like instead you look at like three hundred something pound andy and like living on a couch. The smell like probably came from my dumpster. Craig's list or something and then you think about the journey that it goes on then things start becoming. You know it's like wow. I couldn't find the scandals. You know that i can hold them. Feel in touch and and build upon this. You know if this guy could do it. I could do it. You know and. I think that that's also responsibility. Some of us From falling standpoint from boy standpoint you know having podcasts and whatnot and he does a great job with that. I encourage a lot of young people to go out into the world and get punched in the face. You know and you know go and go and find the shit in life and you mentioned move into chicago. You mentioned having a business with your dad. you know navigating those waters and being in business With a family member is is very very difficult and moving is really difficult. But i always encourage young people like austin about moving to north carolina. Might go you know. Just you should really that you. That's already in your head. That sounds like a wonderful thing. You could always come back. You know you can always say. Hey i like california more whatever. It is what did you find. What did you learn from that experience of moving around a little bit and having some of these different jobs. I you know what i love the fact that i always wanted to live in a big city i always wanted to live in new york. I visited chicago and i was like out. Smaller like cleaner version. Basically rather live here. But you got you get a little bit of tens of that mid hospitality. It's what i found was that i found myself insignificant which after that ego trip of a business thing i needed to fight and it's like you got ta thousands of people walking by every day. It's like you don't know that dude story. You don't know this person's story. Does those guys like the guys coming out of mcdonald's or sitting at the same bus stop is the guys coming out of the guy's a miracle mile and it's like you don't know their story and you'd be you realize that you're someone insignificant and it's up to you to only make yourself happy really and it's up to you to have that drive to find the goals in success is gonna find you. The success is not all about the floss in and like all the shit. You think it's about before. I think when we were growing up and that was a big deal for me and it was also a big deal for me to get elect comfortable being alone. You know just alone in a big city like that doing your own thing and fulfil your time with things that actually start to add value to you actually start adding value to your skillset and stuff like that that when you're younger you know and you also have the time to start checking off. Those winds started her small steps. Like you know just getting. There's a win. Extreme thriving out there is is like ten steps down the line but just being able to pay for yourself the be- they're paying your own way finding a new job. You know meeting new people binding set of friends. You know like just stuff like that. It's like you start preparing yourself for that. Then i i think that you get. I would call it comfortable being uncomfortable and that is very very very important. You know staying uncomfortable always when you started dixon How long did it take you to start being profitable with it because you mentioned that you for the first two years. You really were working on your mind. You're changing things right when i think about that. It's like while you're starting this business. That's amazing right now but in those first few years it must have been a pretty difficult thing. If you still weren't where you needed to be to actually run a successful business right right. I was profitable by year three however it took me two year. Your four or five till it became my my full time So i was working at harley like sixty hours a week at a new baby at home. I'd come home work on it all night. Ship orders branding doing all this stuff. And then all the while we started out with star with blanks putting Putting our own tags in in blanks basically and just working on branding and and then still making t-shirts and prance art and stuff like that. However we didn't know how to make custom flannels yet. We didn't i and i'm not trained fashion guy. I didn't know how to make patterns or anything like that and it was fully. I had to commit to learning my own craft and basically learned it on my own. I had a couple of mentors along the way that they were amazing. But you know. I kind of like i didn't really. I don't want to reach out to the big brands. Because i didn't really wanna be like the big brand so much. I wanted to be the way i wanted to do it. I wanted to talk to a culture that i felt like. It didn't talk to or that. No one else to and and so. It was very important those times where. I don't know that. I had the time to really think about it so i was working so much. I just looked at as a sink or swim thing. And that's like that's why we use that slogan still a lot and also you know a lot of the work hard part because i didn't have a choice. A lot of people were. How did you stay motivated. How'd you keep going. I'll fucking choice. June going to keep going and that was. I think that early success was due just to that was like just because like i didn't have time to sit back analyze much more than you know marketing and how what kind of push we're doing. What kind of growth we're getting. I just kept on going. You know just like all. I knew is the times that i felt like quitting as i. I can't like ardi know what the other side is like. Because i'm i'm there. And i've been there before but i don't know what's next and maybe there's a fucking chance that what's next is monumental and maybe there's a chance that what's next is just slightly better than it was before but the thing is i don't have a choice so like i'm just not going to quit. I'm just there's just no way in hell that i'm gonna do this. You know so. I'm kind of wondering if you maybe feel like you don't have a choice because that insignificance that you felt when you said you're in chicago he probably don't wanna feel that ever again right you walk into a facility. That's like the however many square feet fifty thousand square feet facility now and you have the employees that you have and you have. This stuff built up that you have. It's almost impossible to feel insignificant. Everybody there. I'm sure is bought into the culture and they are probably doing their best to make sure that your day is at as as least stressful as possible. So you can still be creative and you can still have time to do other things. Yes i am so so fortunate for that last part that you mentioned so a lot of those guys picked up. I mean a lot of our staff is picked up that they basically. I spent a long time at first learning how to manage people and mostly through mistakes. You know. i made a lot of mistakes along the way but spent a lotta time managing people and showing them how hard i worked and basically what came of that. They're like neo. Now they're like dude. Please go on vacation like go. Enjoy your life like you've been working your ass off for so long. you know. Enjoy what this world has to offer and a lot of stuff lately has been that way. You know it's been a good balance of that. But before i was just like hit the ground hard over and over and over and over again. I'm going to work every person here. I'm going to be first one here last one to leave you know and everything else and now i've found more time for my kids. I actually go to doctors appointments. Dentist appointment my dentist like yelling at me. Like dude us didn't show up for like six years is like i was working. They you know. But it's really cool now because my staff cares about me on a personal level which is really cool and really unique and very thing on the significance level. I forget when i walk in and every once in a while i try to take the reflection in your to the end of the warehouse and look look at it and just be like holy shit. A never ever thought that. I could have done this. I never even couldn't envision that that's where it could go I didn't even know it was possible. Just kept pushing and pushing and pushing you know. And i don't reflect enough i think sometimes But now i am starting to find the time to do it and and really helps you stay grounded and i think without positively you let go of a lot nets inside of you and let you have more room for creativity. So that's been a big focus for me lately like instead of being so hard myself of being my own toughest critic is really starting to be like okay. Cool i could do. This has some confidence in it. Know that i know what i'm doing and then know that there's still more to learn and have time scheduled and dedicated to those times to you. Know to be able to learn more and you know put forth in Personal growth but on a daily basis. I generally like. I walk straight to my office. I don't even look around. And i just i just hit the ground running. I just work hard as l. Early on 'cause you said you were working sixty hours a week You had a new baby and then you were just any the rest of the year like waking hours. You're working on dixon. So when you first started Not even necessarily brand awareness but like the the following in the lower behind. Dixon is gigantic How did you develop that when you were already doing so many things everywhere else. I think the fact that i had solidified myself in the motorcycle industry for almost ten years really helped me because like i knew the magazine publication. So we're able to get into hop bike early early on. We're able to get into bags magazine early on stuff like that. But what i found was that was kind of sick of that. And i wanted to branch out into all the other things that i that made me who i was. And that's we really started to grow. I'm never admitted this podcast. I don't think however our business plan of and the allure of limited stuff just came from because we didn't have enough money to buy anymore and it takes a long to make stuff. It's like it's gonna take another like ninety days to make this certain color way. I can't bring it back out. Be like forecast out and we just kind of get them like taking it saving it putting him back in putting back back inputting back in and you know and then but now like we enjoy that limited nature but the person who like. How did you come up with that. And it's like. I didn't have any money i could. It could limited limited certainly sounds a lot better than we don't have enough money to thick well along with that. I'm curious how your day's looked because working sixty hours a week and having to start a new totally type of apparel business but then having a learn the process of making apparel made it custom all of this type of work. It doesn't seem that you had time for leisure. Am i correct or or how did that. Actually yeah correct i. I slept like four hours a day. You know just doing. I do all my packing and shipping myself at that point. I was just hustling my ass off so that my my wife could stay home and take care of the kids and so she was pregnant again pretty much. We're really started getting going. And i i would like a paul orders at home at night. Try to make a game out of it you know. My youngest is two or three at the time and because as time spent with them really and Basically leave him all stacked up on the table so she got up early with the baby you know. Once she had the the are second kid she come down and pack the orders while they're taking a nap or whatever and we kinda juggler days like that and and so we were. We're just grinded man. It was it was a crazy time but we were happy. We weren't together a lot but it was. It was exciting exciting and new and it was ours. You know in. I don't know what when i look back on it. I didn't have a lot of time for leisure. Like stopped drinking stuff like hanging out with anybody like just like. I was focused on the family and business. That's it you know. And and those were great times and we had just moved to arizona from california originally just moved arizona for good schools for the kids for Hopefully lower overhead as far as if we got to the point we can have a warehouse stuff like that. I was all opposed to it. I totally hate the desert. Not a big fan but a business for life. You've got gotta do what you gotta do you know and so it was a grind grind of time like my leisure to be honest with you. I had a forty five minute commute to work at that time and i ride my motorcycle to work every day as much as possible and and that was like that was my like mine. Clearing moment of the day you know but i was would. I wish i would have done differently at that time and probably throughout my career been more like fitness focused because seeing how much that gives my mind now even though i'm extremely out of state still you visit new journey for me It gives so much to my mind and so much more So much room to move. It takes away so much negativity out of it that i feel like it. Had i been more focused on that. I would have had even better schedule. Yeah you definitely less stress the better you eat and the more that your body can handle from a physical perspective. A shit just slides off a little bit easier. You do you look you do look a lot healthier From previous pictures and videos. I've seen what kind of progress have you made with your finnish. Looks like you're heading in the right direction me. Yeah i recently last couple months lost forty five pounds. That's awesome congratulations. Yeah but i also lost a lot strength during that time so so now like back in the gym lifting and stuff and it's been it's been a cool journey. I think like it started taking told me a little bit. Just 'cause like kind of like a new single life and so then i'm like our hang out in twenty five year old girls in those clubs and do you know i'm not twenty five anymore bud and so now like a really on track on you know on eating clean every day and doing my thing which is good. It opens my mind. Like i was saying you know it blocks out the negativity my day start so much more positive We have a full gym here dixon. And mostly like my top guys and creatives like i have a trainer that comes in for them and they do that during work hours. Which is awesome. You know in you know increases productivity. The vibe around here is much lighter. Brighter has been great. You know if anyone's listening to this and they're thinking hey i got. I got a shot my company. I gotta do this. This and this and you're anything like mesnier eating taco bell and taking instagram pictures of a product on the ground at harley. Sell it after work Introducing those kinds of things in your life is going to make everything just so much easier. What have you done From a fitness perspective that you've been able to be consistent with because that's what we see is the biggest problem is just people being able to comply to something right. I've been doing lately. I just have someone prepped. My meals for me. I think that's like my biggest thing. Because then you know. I never Men men Nicole my My now ex wife wease divide and conquer and so she's like stay home to care the kids and i'm full on just and so i didn't. I wasn't around them as much. I'd only been. I've only had my kids like by myself twice before like we split up and so then into this whole thing. It's like half my half. My week is like a single dad. And i went to kids. You know like three or four days in a row and the positive of it is the best time of life i. It's like i'm learning. I'm learning them all over again and I don't think it was a bad before it just was as president in presence has been a big thing that i've learned lately because there's just so like stuck on my phone just constantly grinding cousin. Grinding on the marketing comes. Grinding on design in just didn't pay attention. Even if i was there. I was fully present so basically doing that. I've found myself so busy. Like you know but i i leave work early now so much them cook with them and everything and so it's like i. Part of my week is a whirlwind goes past and then i have to keep myself accountable for the next part of the week because i since i could do whatever i want. Essentially suddenly my life. It's like you kind of get stuck in these ways of like you want to just like oh well so wanted to go here go here go there and then before you know it. You're you're six meals out. You know like eating crappy and stuff like that. So i was like i really need a real myself back in so having a meal. Prep service rep. That part of my week has been a huge success for me. On the on the places i lacked and then the rest of the time when the boys i make them eat pretty healthy anyways so i just cook with them enjoyment and fun. Is it like super healthy diet or is it just kinda norm like is this some specific plan or just kinda like a normal wholefood type of thing normal wholefood type of thing. I don't that's an area. Where like rodney to pay attention to your instagram more. Like i was scared to go on his podcast because because like fitness and diet and all that kind of stuff like. I'm not the guy that talks to people talking to people like you because that's our listeners. Our listeners are the ones that are like they're really. There's some that figured out. But there's many that are like in the process of figuring out and they love to hear from people that are just going through the process for like insieme. I like some of the beginning stuff is is so far behind like you know a year creation with the flannels and stuff. You barely remember. Like how you remember. It was hard and difficult but to try to explain to somebody from ground zero the whole process. You'd be like what does this guy in idiot doesn't understand like this is how long the arm is supposed to be like just have no no reference point and so there's many people that are in your same shoes where they're just expressing their fitness side for the first time in their lives. I'm like what the fuck do i do. My supposed to one guy told me to lift heavy and other guys that i should be doing. Twenty reps another guy said crawfish the best another guy said olympic lifting zippy. Like i don't. I'm supposed to do cardio. I the fuck am i supposed to do. And don't sell yourself short like you've lost forty five pounds. That's a big deal like you doing something right so we want to know what the hell that is. I i was just. You know that was like your newly divorced and you have to have somewhere to like put your energy in your mind and everything and so i found that if i just still i would ruin myself and i couldn't sleep so i just like do i wail on the punching bag. You could do. And it's like and i've always hated cardio but i would jump on peleton. Do sessions on peleton. Jay do that kind of stuff and it kind of ignored. Wait for a little while. And so that's where i that's where come in. I said that. I lost a lot of my strength. And so like. I've been having some very very humbling sessions in the gym. Lately and totally such a bummer. Like not like being in football or hockey or something. When i was growing up and so i just did that and i just focused on. I tried to not eat. Carbs really and i love candy is stupid grown kid like where than gummy worms and just dumb shit. It's like i. I'd rather just like eat that you know so and eat all my kids fruit snacks shit but i kind of just like ignored all that completely gotta get away from that focused on like mostly protein vegetables could try to drink the greens in the morning. Or something i mix in you know like protein powder with my coffee in the mornings at creamer subtle changes i guess and i think that i was just living extremely bad lifestyle before so the like it really helps you know that makes that makes kind of curious because you know you mentioned that the one thing you would have changed when you're building up dixon would be your focus on your fitness and then you also just mentioned that like when the whole the separation things start happening you started like you needed a place to put your energy so is that what kind of made you have that shift towards fitness like that area of your life like what. What was that shift for you. Did that start happening. I think it was because like i used to have all of my energy into one hundred percent and now i mean now i have sixty sixty five employees or so in so you know have production assistance and i have is no longer my friends that i'm trying to train into executives like there's actually people that are better at their jobs than i could do it you know. And that's that's a big shift in business too. Which is an incredible place that you have to kind of take your company too and so a lot has been taken off my plate so then i have. I suddenly have downtime. And that downtime. I can either sit there and like you know wallow in the misery you know in the should've would've could've zor whatever you know and then ended up not sleeping and then again not productive the next day or find a way that just makes me tired as fuck and get all our you know. Get all that energy out and then i was able to finally like sleep. You know better feeling better as getting to work. My head was working right again. I was just like man. This is the answer obviously got. I gotta continue on this. This is what i've been missing. You know from a business perspective In the beginning stages how did you Communicate what you wanted to have as a culture with everybody within within your company. Probably not that hard sense. It was like your buddies and they're kind of seeing the whole thing build up. But how are you able to communicate. Because i think that's can be a really tough and then even moving into the way you are now you know. Now you've got people like Hopping in that our professionals in design. But maybe maybe they'd never been on a motorcycle like maybe there's unfamiliar with territory one hundred percent but they still fit the needs of what your company needs. How do you share the culture with people you know from the beginning and and even now so now has changed a lot in the beginning. It was more like you know like you said my friends who shared similar interests and everything so it seemed like it made perfect sets now. It is very different. You said hiring professionals at might not fit that mold however now we've moved into so many genres and what was important for me to the outside was mu showing that there's a reason i'm the genres because you know like i mean 'cause it causes me because it's my life and it's how grew up you know and as far as like the motorcycles the low riders you know even when we get into music. There's the mix of hip hop metal hardcore stuff. Like that. And i'm just such a mix of so many things that it allowed me to connect with a lot of people on the outside now inside. Were very very careful about who we hire. But we've also found that you know. I mean we get people that you know. They d m me and they're like dude. I love the party and ride motorcycles. I wanna work there. Like opposite of what i wanna hear. Not working here does look. But i think that it's gotten to a point or now the creativity speaks for itself and so the people want to be involved in creativity now. The way that i communicate best is that i have tried to have weekly staff meetings. Have my entire staff present. And i'll talk about days. Nba as transparent as possible to everyone. Let him know like. Hey these. Are the finals coming up. There's a reason why we're doing it for example like the one you're wayne mystery one Explained to them. Like hey i remember was like to be a smaller brand. You know and you know blake and erin her awesome in a one hundred percent like believing these kids and i think that what they're doing is amazing and side no blake's and amazing driver so it was like i take those opportunities to try to out not only with the best of top but the best that i like if i see something like that i want to help them as much as i can and i felt like there's people that reached out to me from publications magazine stuff like that. That helped me so much that so. This is the reason why we do this. And so then. I tried to convey that to the whole staff so they know exact reasons. Why we're doing things know the exact reason why we're doing like you know like the kobe final that you're wearing you know it's like when all that went down and we started telling me. Hey we want to commemorate amazing amazing man you know and what i did was. I played some videos. You knows memorial videos of women and stuff like that. So i tried to educate the staff as much as possible and all i also tried to show as much transparency as possible to let him know. These are wise. This is the reason why we do it. And then tie in a lesson on personal growth with them which is a huge huge thing for me. Focus on my on. My staff has their own personal growth and easiest way to build a culture is to have a building of culture. You know you're you're building facility like you you can't help but to Want to be the brand when you're inside the brand in your living and breathing it. You know it's it's got like toxic fumes that you're that you're consuming every day and you have cars and boats and different things that you're into and i think you have space for in your facility to house some of these things and people are seeing these styles and they're seeing these different people come in with I guess dislike. There's like a breath of fresh air pie coming in and out of that facility all the time all the different people that visit the facility all the different people that are important to you that come out to the shop and and see we have going on. I think you might even have in store inside the facility so people seeing that day in and day out even if your customer service and you were hired because of your customer service skill but you baby aren't into flannels are would never around them before. Didn't know anything about them. Once you get into the culture you're in this era in this facility that breeds this and breathes it every day absolutely. I wanted to build a place that je drip of inspiration and a lot of that was because you know coming from small local mom and pop motorcycle motorcycle shop. And then having to get a job out here with harley just that can move out here and you know basically push brand and try to try. Grow it what i noticed. Is that every harley dealership. I when to you're not sane percent but like they have a lot of that same smell them the same feel no whatnot. You don't outstanding staffing huge difference and everything from dealer to dealer however never inspired me. I had to actively stay in like into motorcycles which one of my the loves of my life. But it's like at the same time it's like when you're doing it day in and day out to actively figure out how to stay passionate about it you know and so here just wanted to make it like not about the shirt but about the culture and so that they have walls of history that they can pass through each time kind of see it any kind of gives them a focus. I think of like not wanting to let that history down. you know. it's like if you're going to go in there and you're in a bad mood because you know you're dude broke up with or some shit then it's like and you're walking through that place to get to sitting down at customer service like you're going to have to let all of the shutdown just for you not be in the right mind state and i did the same thing in the art rooms and everything like basically most of my own interior design. I've done for a bunch of my staff's offices. 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It's absolutely free. You just have to cover shipping. Make sure you go there and check it out right now. You know when when you mentioned that you start to focus on personal growth. And he started the company There is a time that your company had way less employees and you mentioned like you know making friends executives. What do you. What do you think was difficult when maybe you had less employees and some of these people knew better. Was it more difficult for you to inspire the individuals that new you as an individual verses when you scaled in your hiring other people. That didn't know you didn't know you as well. No you on a personal level Did you find it easier to kind of provoke inspiration and motivation out of the people. That didn't know you. Because i'm thinking like if you friends are if your home working with you your home you know your home is no the shitu like is he fucks around and this. I can't take you seriously. You know what i mean. So was there any of that or did you really have to deal with that. I ended up becoming a big issue for me. That was a very very hard pill to swallow for me. That i i'd even somewhat recently within the last like year to add to deal with that. So what i did when we were aware smaller cities. Like there's like five of us and we're all great friends like those are. The guys always wanted to hang out with the becoming like my best friends and what i would do. Is i do like book club things with them every week and we read a chapter a self help book we would sit down and talk about what it meant to me or what it meant to us. Putting our own words and then describe point in our life that you know that you could relate to it and that was an time of monumental growth. We were working out together at that time too. it was. It was really cool. We had set up the small gym in our old warehouse. Stuff like that. It was one of the best times of our growth because we all trusted each other. We're all the same path of personal growth. The problem was is that we're all good friends and so that line between friends and boss is very very hard for some people to skirt and for some just really good at it. And they're like. I'd rather know you on a personal level and i know when to separate it you know like one of my top guys is my brother-in-law and and we were amazing together and we are like we couldn't be any you know any more different from each other. I call him the my jeans and my yang kind of deal balancing other you know but he knows how to separate that stuff you know he knows like when hey when we go thanksgiving like don't talk about work anymore but like you know by the end of the night if we have to go outside and you know something catastrophic is happening then it's full on workout and everything's out the window but yeah i had a very difficult time with that. A lot of those guys that started out that way. I grew them. However this is where i messed up. I always thought. And i've done this in relationships too. I always thought that inflating somebody. Even if it wasn't like fully earned. I thought that it would give them more credibility and more awareness and it would give them more confidence. Maybe or yeah often competent. The security like they won't be so insecure about what they didn't know you know and so but what i did. Is i kind of like i. Basically inflated ego without tools to back it. Up i found. That's that's a very very rough place to go. Because then when they're on their way out like oh did you get a crash. Burn fuck you. you don't have mean and it's like you. Have you have to your how to do it in small increments and how to reward people for actual for actually growing and making sure that growth sticks and they're not just telling you what you wanna hear because you're their friend that they're supposed to look at it as your boss and so what it leads. What leads to bad friendships early leads to eventually abandoned working environment and that was a very very tough pill to swallow. Once we started adding a lot. More people in my wife is really good with that part of it. Where i'm like. Oh this person's are doing so again. She's like they're doing their job. That direction yeah you know what. You're okay. yeah you're right. They're doing what they're paid to do. And if they're going above and beyond the not two different conversations but you can't give people something for nothing. I think the compliment sandwich can work. Pretty good where you hit him with a compliment. Hey you're doing really well at this. Hey but this is where you can get a little bit better and then you end the conversation with another little pat on the back or a hug. Appreciate what you're doing. This is great. You know but you still got. You still got put that bullshit in the middle there. Where they they they you know. Hopefully they heard you because you open their mind up with saying something nice. I gotta write that down. My employees are in the room and everything. Yeah now when we get a compliment. I was just going to wait for that second easily. Compliments that it's pretty good. Yeah so did did growth in the company in the business and the company did that happen and then you had to hire more employees or did you hire like a designer in something and then you noticed the growth like really exponentially explode so our design has designed production has still been done by the main three of us that have been here pretty much the beginning and it continues to be that way. Actually and i was always scared of that because like i didn't want it to lose. Its organic feel. I didn't want to lose. Its way and Myself chris johns which is like my very first employee who is designer Our head designer issues We always said that. Hey the day that we reach or the day that we believe are on hyped shits all over like that's when it all goes down you know and so we always have to remain grounded. Always had to remember where we came from and remember that those are the experiences that we pull from to create the reason why we're able to live the life that we live and i was always scared to insert someone into that now. From a standpoint of artist i wouldn't say artistic direction. Actual hand-drawn are we have three artists on site. You know that that they're constantly all they do all is draw. Know the drawn starts out. Hand-drawn turns into these patterns and stuff like that but generally what we do. We have tools now where all the ideas and lists them all out and then as they go through they get fresh ideas and then as they want to do their own in some free hand thing that they come up with they throw it in there too and then i basically end up with huge folders full of art stuff that i asked for stuff that they came up with and being able to build lines a lot easier that way and i still do that myself actually an and then now we have production assistant and everything that actually keeps us. You know. we're we're the best at You know filing papers or remembering this number that just turns into stacks and stacks. You know art that we ended up going through for hours at a time. And now we have this amazing woman were nada. She's worked for hurley. And she used to be at mattel on the barbie side of things and so she came in and she just like basically like mama bear the whole thing like makes it like. Everything's exactly where it's supposed to be super organized super professional amazing and so we've been basically bringing the right people to perfect the processes that would may have already put into motion but being very open to change. Always you know consistent lead change any what the fuck. I'm wearing a barbie flannel right now. He doesn't mention having a designer from barbie wasn't someone that works someone who works. I think what you're saying is like the second that you think that you're like cool. New and fresh is when you're is like you know lack old and stale. You think you've read some sort of pinnacle you think you read something and now. There's all the young people i mean. I'm sure there's many people emulating what you have and you better. You better stay on top of shit and better pretend that you don't know anything and still have a white belt mentality. otherwise those younger people who are hungry That starts to build up the resources to be able to do it. They're going to be able to To beat your to catch you here in their. Catch you off guard. I mean. I feel like that's where we can't right exactly how steers lee and then all of a sudden they're like shan't goes taking market share you know and it's like how did you guys get in here and it's just a different model. You know. I think that respect for the long way like always trying to respect other brain butlers and stuff like that. There was a time for a little while beginning. Threatened by people trying to do what we did. And arid out like on social media versus aso. Yeah and it just i. Just all i learned was. I just started a versus brand and anyone who doesn't like me. Just go by this. You know and it's like i'm not short on people that don't like one of those like lover those like just making money for them. You know you can kinda learn from your mistakes. You just shut your mouth and focus on your own race and then i realized that like you know when i'm running my own race it's just me versus me and just happy to get black do every day. I have way more creativity. you know. there's no negativity in my life whatsoever. It's just amazing. Where the actual idea of the flannels come from like was at a specific thing. Where you're like you know. I'm gonna switch into like making flannels or did you start by making a hat or t shirt. And where's the dixon name. Come from so we started with just flannel. Just doubt was the way to go and the reason. Why because i as sick of finals at Shrink and wrinkled and stuff all the time. So i ended up going on this. You know this journey that lasted a couple years of fabrics and trying to figure all that out. What would make sure that it works. And how can we treat it because you know the treating and how you do everything in like you know. Then we got on this kick. Where every single year we add new features to it you know which enters the some last cleaner that came out this year. You know the pieces of pockets that that you have the little hole pockets on the front like you can put your sunglasses in it or put a penny hit or whatever in the bottom corner. I don't think the kobe won hasn't been destroyed. One hasn't for sure that one at the very bottom corner of the front. If you flip open corner front you're gonna find a pink piece a by your waste. It's yeah corner front row. clip it. Flip it from the inside is gonna be on your left hand side. Oh there you go so if you put your finger behind that that'll clean your sunglasses and your phone probably and your phone jizzle. I want to say that. The on that sick that i went to white my phone and pornhub popped up on not sure maybe my son was playing with my phone so we introduce different. Things will do or like all these. Have it like you guys. Have the the button downs on the callers. That came out a couple of years ago. So that if you're riding motorcycles flapping in the face and so every year it kind of evolves and and that's a big part of business. I think that is very important as well. You can't incomes into that believing your own hype thing is that you can't be just okay with it. You can't like working. Let's let's continue on you know and it's like have to keep on trying to get better trying to make it more trying to reinvent or kim from before and that's where my game struggle of me versus meet really comes in but it also is like a you know i think like probably too much to my success. It helps greatly got our flannel experts. Smokey here who has like. He knows about finals that that's not true. I just know by looking at your Instagram page your myself. Say yeah. He's wearing like four flannels right now because he likes to look really big so barely move and breathe right now but he get different sizes medium large excel and this keep stacking. Yeah yeah big fan. Danny wanted to kind of talk to you a little bit about the harley. Seen a little bit i recently got into it. purchase my first street. Bob couple years back in. Just been kinda in love with it. And that's kind of what sparked the flannels and the whole vibe And just all the cool features you have. You went into like the sunglass You know micro towel and there and the callers and everything and I know your history and experience with with harley how does that play an impact. Now i see you have a couple of bikes I know you're heavily into cars and boats and all the cool stuff and discountenance wanted to see what what you see a harley playing a role or even bikes general playing a role in your current accompanying. I believe that it is the very roots of our company. And although i'm not as active in harleys as i once was i enjoy the freedom of you know trying new things i guess now however i think it's interesting with harleys in. This is what. I always try to tell myself when it was at harley managed service department basically and as i said earlier. It's hard to stay focused on your passion of that and that's a passion project plates you earn west for more work but you'd be around bikes every day. And that's that's the thing that's the recipe passion project is like. You're lucky though you get to be around bikes every day. You're like banks no more than everybody to do. My job and so parts. And i can't get paid for it though so so when i used to remind them and i'll tell you is that there are so many men in america now could be forty five to sixty years old and their entire life. They dreamt of owning a harley davidson. Just that brand that culture and everything that means to them right and then from that on customization route. I mean there's in entire industry alive that is that is alive just because of the brand harley davidson that's just aftermarket and not even affiliated with the actual brand harley davidson So i think it's from a business model standpoint or culture standpoint it's extremely it's extremely unique in it's extremely diverse place that is so created like creativity base that i love Artistic based so. I've always been infatuated with that and so i try to carry that that thought into our marketing. Still in remembering what. It's like to be a harley for the first time remembering what it's like to be outside of the scene and smile that gives you like on your face and everything and then also. It's great that they have gatherings and people learn from each other. You know in that. There's a decent amount of mutual respect most of those places and there's a lot of good people and what. I've met a lot of good people through that as i get older. I find myself getting more into cars and stuff mostly because i can do my kids. You know it's like and because like you know. If i get on a bike like go fast always look like who's gopher a real quick and everyone went to like really like you know afford one hundred ten split lanes like an arizona. United allowed split lanes here but i'm from california. I'm like whatever i'm gonna do it but that's like my thrill and so kind of like all right. I don't really wanna get wiped across a windshield today. Like my kids are like getting to that point. Where like i need. I had the level out that stupidity factory. And don't have that control. You know it's like that throttling it makes me live but don't be wrong. I still do it like once a week to make sure that i you know. Keep my mind e- but that's kind of where i'm at recently. I don't have to go to the shows as much anymore. But i like to pop up here and there. And so that's the reason why that exclusivity model that we run. We never do the same show twice. Never do it years and years in a row. We don't just show up sturgess and i started getting to the point where i actually if i did go the shows we set up. I just wanted to go there and finally enjoy. I wanted to join spectator joys. A writer finally not be working for harley not be trying to push my brand or those kinds of things and now. I'll call it a luxury that i've been able to you know kind of a four myself the last couple of years and it. It's been nice. It's a reopening that passion into why motorcycles made sense to me. That's awesome what. What's one of your favorite flannels that you are one to. What's the the number one flannel you have made so. I have my personal favorites. Both didn't do that well. That's odd interest. My two favorite finals are the very first s. One that we did which is like a blue and grey one and then on the same exact token the reading gray one that in a fade pattern just like it was called the polaski and the plastic was really cool because Chris jones had designer. He's from east coast and he used to be a pro skateboarder. He grew up in dc area. And now it's a park that plaza. And you could skate it unless you were like invite into. It was like an earn. Your keep kind of place and you know and this is enter in like you know. Maybe like nineteen ninety-five ish. Politics and east coast vibes is just the way it went and so it meant a lot to him. That park mental. Lots and when he got invited to skate there then he got his step it up with the pros and he became pro a little bit after that wrote around van. Like did the whole pro thing for a little while and then started realizing he's going get old and not going to be as good of escape. Any learn graphic design and went into the skate industry. So enter. You know all that kind of stuff. So that was a very important flannel mayhem on end in his warm my favorites and then on the other hand s motor components. Like i mean they've been around since the fifties you know it's like they were the first major brand that approached us and we're like a we want you guys to do coal with us and i was just floored dude. I would just like i. I was beside myself that we could do that. And i think that was about four years ago and so since then like guard collapse. You have grown quite a bit but we still do. We still do one ear with us and we still forge a lot of relationships like that and he's been really cool that's awesome what's been One of your biggest failures business. He had something that you just ended up falling pretty flat in your face. They ended up learning something quite a bit about. I would say management early on as far as far as skill. I just wasn't good at it and accounting couldn't figure out pay my taxes right. Took me a while to figure all that stuff out. And and i'll tell you what like not having like the pressure of you know like taxing zaidi and stuff like that these days like man. What a different world Those things were very hard for me as far as on personal basis at first i would just get wound up super angry. Be yelling at my friends like screaming over the phone. You know just like something like that to this day. I'm actually like super at ease like very very calm and collected. I just watching take notes and you know not the guy who hires and fires. Anybody who which is really nice. You know so. It's a lot different from a product standpoint. I don't know we've done pretty well that furry jacket. It was like one of my favorite jackets further line around it. Like tundra jacket like last last year. Maybe two years ago the first su