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The Boys In The Band And What's Making Us Happy
"Fifty two years ago marked Crowley's the boys in the band debuted off Broadway. The structure was simple and not unfamiliar to anyone who play before over the course of an evening characters gather get drunk and each other things get said that cannot be unsaid secrets revealed curtain house lights on the ground breaking difference was that it was a group of gay men doing all that gathering and drinking and lashing out now new Netflix's film adapts the. Recent Tony winning revival of the play importing. It's director Joe Manganiello and it's all star all gay cast including Jim Parsons Andrew Reynolds Zachary Quinto and the disquieting Lee Symmetrical Matt Bomer I'm Glen Well. Then we're talking about Netflix's adaptation of the boys in the band on this episode of Pop Culture. Happy. Hour from NPR here with me from his home in San Antonio Texas Sam Sanders the host of NPR's. It's been a minute welcome back. Good to be back always great to have. You has been a minute also with us from his home in Los. Angeles is Tobin low former host of the Nancy podcast who is now with radio. Welcome back. Tobin. Arrogant to be here always great to have you and joining us for the first time from Beacon New York is culture critic and reporter Mark Blankenship, who is also the editor and founder of the flash paper. A print publication kids ask your parents where theater artists respond to current events. Welcome Mark Oh very excited to be here. Thank you for having me. Glad to have you here. Now, the more discerning listeners out there might have heard the lineup for this particular episode and realized that the four of us on this panel have something in common. We all harbor complicated feelings about Madonna's post confessions on a dance floor output. That's Hard, it's complicated. That was her best album. Trash. Okay, let's get to actually this is a great panel. I'm really glad be put you guys altogether now there's a lot of characters here but at least at the beginning, let's try to drill down to the ones that drive the plot. It's nineteen, sixty eight in the West Village Jim Parsons is Michael who is reluctantly throwing a birthday party for what we would now call his frenemy Harold who was played by Zachary Quinto but the last minute he gets a tearful call from his old putatively Heterosexual College Roommate Ellen played by Brian, Hutchinson who is in town and wants to talk to Michael urgently for some reason and thereby hangs tail. Now Tobin you among many things are a young. Play is an old It isn't point effect two months younger than I. Am w Burke Yours what you thought of this, how familiar were you with the boys in the band? I would say it's been on my sort of periphery for awhile I was aware of the Broadway revival but I wasn't super familiar with the content of it. I knew the basic lines of the plot but that's probably about where my knowledge ended I'll start. With the good things I liked, I thought that there were strong performances by Brinda to Hayes and Michael Benjamin Washington there more side characters but I enjoyed them. If they gave a lot to their parts Zachary Quinto is giving you a fall drag performance with his line readings which I at the beginning was like what happening here by the end I was like work. This is a choice and you committed to it. I'm all on board. But I think my biggest sort of feeling about this film as an adaptation of play felt like it suffered from a thing that happens a lot in played a movie translation. Is I wish there was just more translating in terms of plays are wordy by definition because that's how you do the work of communicating and you have to do a lot of monologue to sort of know characters and I wish there was a little more translation to a film medium giving some of that over to more interesting shots or something that really speaks to being a movie as it is I had that feeling that you sometimes get when you see a play that's filmed where I just started felt like this is talking and everyone's just saying what they mean. And I. Think it suffered a little bit for that. So that was my biggest sort of thought about this adaptation. Yeah. This is very much a standard deliver endeavor where people kind of are just as up to go into a monologue as they are to enter into conversation and they also announced all the contours of their personality upon like entrance upon walking into the room. You kind of know that guy is that's what happens in blazing. Now Mark, you have a lot of experience with this particular play you've seen several versions. And You wrote about this in college. So I'm going to go you what you think of this well. I can't even imagine seeing this movie without the heavy weights of all of my nerdy academic experience dragging along behind me I've had immutable relationship to this play over the years I've gone through phases of thinking this is trash get this self-loathing garbage out of my face I've gone through phases where I think well, it's historically interesting and we should therefore respect it and now I've reached a point where I feel like. I'm glad that this play and now this film exists in the contemporary cultural contact where it's not the only mainstream gay story that is being told and I feel like because of that, I was able to have this experience of watching this production when it was on Broadway a few years ago, and now this film I felt like I was able to appreciate the story for what it does. Well, which is create I, think a very engrossing. Sense. Of the relationship among all of these men and I found myself being really sucked into their lives with the closeups that Joe Montello the director was able to us here not only on individual faces. But on people who were watching from the sidelines and I very engaged with this story and I felt like I this really felt its power and I understood maybe in a fresh way why it was something that gripped fifty years ago and white something that we keep coming back to. That said, I also think I might good for now for the rest of my life with this story, it's a slog in it does what it wants to do quite well and I know what it is and carry on into the West boys in the band. Na. All right from a student of this play to somebody who is coming in absolutely fresh SAM. Sanders what'd you think of the boys in the band? So all I knew was that it is the latest Indie Ryan Murphy Netflix's super deal and I was already angry before I turn this thing on because Ryan Murphy's Netflix's outer has been pissing me off. It just has like he they gave this man so much money and he has made. Very pretty junk. So that was what I was feeling going into it but because they stuck to the script of the play, the plot actually worked for me much more than his previous productions like I could follow it better wasn't jumping around trying to do too much. The plot was a plot right? I think the acting was okay. It was over the top, but it was supposed to be I still don't understand what Jim Parsons is trying to do I. Still Don't understand why Ryan Murphy has made Jim Parson his muse but whatever he was more likable than this than he wasn't Hollywood I hated Hollywood. I think that story's made by white people with the gays primarily focus on the white characters the two characters of color that get to be in there as kind of sidekicks I felt like they got too little time and I would watch an entire movie on their backstory but I'm used to that. So I think overall I felt like it was particularly enjoyable and I think when I really grappled the most with. was perhaps a critical response. I read up a lot on this play after I've finished watching it and I realized pretty early on with this place history. A lot of folks in critics were saying it's outdated its retrograde we've moved past that the gays are now the gays love themselves there's no more self hatred. and. I think that's true and I think that the critiques of this movie right now today saying this is so in the past and so retrograde. I think they're wrong I think that self hatred is still a reality for so many gay men I think there's so many gay men are still in the closet still trying to figure out how to be gay. They are still overwhelmed by the pressure of being queer in a world is made for straight people and I think the critics who say that we are all past that they're. Showing their privilege and feels a lot like the gays who think AIDS is over just because they got prep you know exactly yeah and there were moments of this film that were really really real to me as a thirty six year old homosexual. You know when they get to that final scene and Jim Parsons character says, show me a happy homosexual and I'll show you a gay corpse. Look back twenty, thousand, nine, hundred when my therapist made me read the Velvet. And all of its still slaps all of it's still real. All of these things grappling with self love and self hatred has a gay in this world in this country it Israel so I think ironically, I was most annoyed by the critics who act like this world doesn't exist anymore it does even if they can't see it, that's why I'm going to go to mark now to talk about how critical reaction and the popular reaction, and certainly the reaction among the queer community to this play has cycled through the years because when I was coming out in the early nineties, this play was not reviled lampooned was seen as camp it was seen as. Again. As you say retrograde because there was the AIDS crisis right and so when you have the AIDS crisis going full bore these neurotic queens who are talking about their therapist it just seems completely in essential and you're in that line Sam about how shall happy homosexual and I will show you a gay corpse that took a weird new. Patina of tastelessness in the AIDS era. But mark, Kay. Talk about the cycle of reception of this plane. Yeah. Part of the reception of this play by the Queer community has been down to the fact that when you were trying to make yourself more visible in the mainstream culture, it is easy to resist anything that makes you seem less than saintly less than perfect in your difference than beautiful in. Your struggle and this play uniquely among mainstream plays and films about gay men especially from that period but I would even argue even now this play does not care. If it points out that gay men can be horrible to each other and to themselves that has caused consternation from the jump because the homa file movement as it was called in the late fifties and early sixties was still quite strong. In, this pre stonewall year that the year before stonewall when this movie came out in the Home Afoul, movement really wasn't happy about dirty laundry being aired out because this was the gay play that made it into the mainstream world. Heterosexual People Watch this play for years. It ran for years and they saw the play at the time as giving fuel to a straight audience that wanted to find reasons. To, pity and revile gay men. It's like how dare you make us look this ugly. We are this ugly. Sometimes, we don't talk about it. It's easy to look back now and see some of the coverage is being looked at the freaks in the zoo about this play, and so it created this sense of frustration for Queer radical people in a sense perhaps of amused detached observational interest for straight audiences. But then by the time that the Broadway revival came out, famously had a poster filled with gay slurs and then a picture of this cast and then set the boys in the band. That seems to be the moment that people were able to re embrace or revisit what the play is doing because like I was saying before it's no longer the only story that we've got in the mainstream. So we can see it as a crucial part of a tapestry. No. This play has a reputation for being very caustic and these characters being very self lacerating say seeing it now in twenty twenty and closing my eyes, I could not necessarily distinguish what I was listening to from A. Extended very special episode of will and Grace Yes rhythms. I am not trying to denigrate the play by calling it Sitcom me I am saying that the influence of this play is so strong that its DNA has leached into the rhythms of this dialogue, the arch -ness of the delivery, the looseness of the Zingers it's just that it has been taken up by hundreds and thousands of plays movies. Television shows just felt familiar to me, and that's what struck me with somebody coming to this completely unfamiliar with it find it strangely familiar tobin you're nodding yeah it's so funny mentioned grace had that exact thought while I was watching it it was sort of this moment of like. Echoed appreciate what this play meant when it came out and sort of appreciate it sort of this time capsule of that moment in time. But at the same time I was like, wow, the rhythms of this, the joking of it, the sort of camp in the shade has now been co opted by stuff like will and grace and very mainstream fide, and so it's one of those things where it's hard to watch now and have a pure sort of experience of it as it must have been received because all I could think was while this is what I'm used to out of a thirty minutes on NBC. Now, you know that sort of like exactly trail of gay life. Yeah it is important capital I. Is it good capital g you know things don't need to both. Let's play this entire context because the representation of marginalized communities always follows the same four step path. It's true for queers. It's true for women. It's true for people of Color I we are the villains that the straight white hero must defeat. Then we are the victims that the straight white here must defend or in the case of queers often avenge because we die. Then we're the ally you know the in the case of queers where the snappy sidekick who says you know go to him. Girl. That's us, and then finally, if we get the opportunity and the access to the means production, we are the heroes but the boys in the band did it seemed to me was jumped the line and I wouldn't call these characters heroes but they certainly are telling their own stories and what strikes me is that the lens through which the audience is looking at these characters and got imagine some of the success of this play must have been people coming in from Ronkonkoma and Scarsdale to watch the gay play Martha we went and saw the gay play we're part of the Bohemian counterculture. that. Lens. Is Not. Part of the straight world. Now, in the movie, it is Mark I. Think of something to say about this but the play itself is not apologizing it's not self justifying because he wasn't cheating out to the straight audience he was talking amongst themselves. Now Mark you mentioned something about all the what has been added to his movies a lot of silent straight people watching, which wasn't necessarily in the play that changes things a bit. Yes in a way that I actually found really exciting because I think in a way, it makes what was happening in the sixties more legible for Queer people. Now, who maybe haven't had to feel this way in a while or don't feel this way as actively because throughout this whole movie when all of the characters are about to go the apartment, which is ostensibly the safe. Space right it's the queer space in the play you see them all moving through the world and every single one of them gets observed with disgust by silent straight person and it just physical is is the fact that this is the psychological pressure cooker of being a gay man again still to some extent, it reminds you how strong this was and I felt like it was so. Powerful. Than when the roommate enters the room and interrupts their dance because that's actually my favorite moment in the play when they're all dancing and they're just able to be free and happy with one another and for a moment they have freedom and then straight guy putatively straight guy walks into the room and he destroys everything. We feel the presence of his arrival more strongly because we've seen the that these men have been able to escape by finally getting into that apartment that creates psychological Fisher in the storytelling. That is really exciting SAM. What surprised you about this? If anything I was surprised by the way this. Play in this script, which is decades old by now. Tackled race and race relations amongst gay men in a way that still felt workable for me now no. As soon as I saw that there was gonna be a black one and a brown one I was like well, they'll be marginalized. And then by the end of it, I kind of respected what they did and I respected how they handled the ways in which racism and homophobia are intertwined and I wanna give away too much of this plot. But I will say you know for this to have been written a few decades ago. It didn't come out now and twenty twenty as problematic for me as I would've expected. I also think that like I was surprised by how much by the end of this and after reading the reviews of it, I found myself coming to the defense of this movie and this play more. So for the idea of it, then it's actual substance. Yes I, I think artists reserve the right to air their dirty laundry. I think artists from marginalized groups just have that right every year there's a conversation amongst black art in black artists over whether or not we should be making this stuff for white folks to see. Can they see our dirty laundry and to that? I say it's our clothes. If we wash them or we don't as are closed and we can do with them what we want to, and I like the idea of this place still decades on. Being itself in spite of what straight people may think in spite of what other gay people may think that I think I appreciate more than anything the movie actually did but I appreciate that so much I? Guess if there was a critique that I do think is fair about doing this play and subsequently this movie at this moment this trope of visiting a group of predominantly white cysts, gay men, and the dynamics within that group is a thing that we've revisited you. We're talking about the theater cannon like it's a thing that we have for every generation and a half right like we. Have this we have the normal heart we have angels in America. We have the inheritance like this is a thing that we sort of come back to, and so I do think there's a fair question to be raised about you know the keep coming back to this as opposed to creating new things that sort of widens the lens on Queer experience on gay experience that sort of thing I wonder last night what this movie would look like if Ryan Murphy and company said, you know what the whole cast is black the whole cast is Latino the whole cast lesbians the whole cast is Asian. But what I want to see next for this play is like reimagined the central characters and make them not just. The same pros wake is that we have seen onscreen as gay men for decades now. That is a good direction to take this and I think because the movie did resist the impulse to port all kinds of meetings and contemporary acids it kept it as an artifact preserved an amber I. think that's the way to go because while this play shouldn't really be forced to be topical because it is speaking to some pretty dark truths about gay emotional lives that's always going to be relevant and there's a difference there. Tell us what you think about the boys in the band. Find US on facebook at facebook dot com slash P. C. H. H or tweet us at Pch, and when we come back, it will be time to talk about what's making us happy this week. So come right back. This message comes from NPR sponsor we transfer we all have doubts but where do they belong? Are they simply to be surfaced and forgotten? 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Happy this week is a call it a youtube talk show sort of a it's called stars on the House I thought that this would be appropriate since we're doing sort of a theory episode. Basically, it's rude Eski and James Wesley, they're both Broadway. Producers sets risky has played in a million. Broadway shows in the pet. They're basically doing like this daily talk show as a fundraiser for the actors fund, which supports performers and folks out of work in the entertainment industry. But the reason I love it is because every day they're basically reuniting every Broadway cast, you can think of and telling stories about sort of backstage antics and the history of the play itself for the Broadway musical itself and. has a huge theater nerd. It's like candy I love watching these sort of round tables and hearing all the stories and it's sort of like a great daily dose of Broadway if that's what you're missing. Awesome. Thank you so much. That's perfect and on theme. Thank you for that Tobin Sam Sanders what's making you happy this week you Kinda have to things. Let me cheat really quickly. The podcast from KCRW called loss notes just an episode. All about stevie wonder and that's all I'm going to say it is just beautiful and it catches you off guard and by the end you're just crying these happy tears go check it out. The other thing is just season two of pin fifteen everyone already saying it believe the hype it is perfection and I'm thinking about the episode where the two main characters convince themselves as teenagers that they're witches and it is this beautiful mash up of. The Dreamy. -Ness of youth and like also the sadness of real life that begins a hitch you. Once you're a teenager and they handle the comedy and the drama and the heartbreak that teenage girls can feel so brilliantly. I'm going to stop now and just say that I'm probably going to watch it every week or so for the rest of the year because it's just like it hits every box. Beautifully that's fantastic. Well, deserved praise. Let me tell you pen fifteen is fantastic. Okay. Mark blankenship is making you happy this week. All right. If I'm being honest and I, I want WanNa bring honesty here today what I most enjoying this week is watching old episodes of prime suspect on Hulu. This is the Helen Mirren long running series in which she plays detective, Jane Tennison or chief. Superintendent of Detectives. She has a different title and every episode but these are giving me great sucker in these times because not only do you get to watch Helen Mirren be amazing across multiple episodes she solves multiple cases. You also get to see a parade of British character actors before they were famous. So like Super Young Jonny Lee Miller Super Young, James Frayne a super young David. A super young and scorchingly hot. Ray Fines I. Ray Fines in the very first episode of prime suspect is so hot that it actually might Internet went out so It's It's me a lot of pleasure to revisit prime suspect I know what I'm watching the. Great it's just so fun to see all six. British actors in one place. All right what's making me happy this week is I am trying to serve a dungeons and dragons game I played kid it's experiencing kind of a moment. Now I got the books I got the dice I got the screen I, got the character sheets and to get up to speed because there's a lot more rules than I remember in so much more meth so much matthew guys I've been listening to several podcasts featuring people who play dnd is awful in. The past to go with those were comedians or at least comedy writers are playing because I've listened to a couple of actors. I mean comedy people are more apt to go for the joke that keep things in a nice happy distance actors just make a meal out of every emotional beat and I feel like an acting exercise which I have a hard time dealing with. But on a whim I started listening to critical role are l. e. c. what it did their. Features actors, and it I was like see this is exactly what I was talking about. There's too many characters I can't tell any of them apart the episode I started on went on for three hours. Somebody's episode gone for three or four five hours, and there's hundreds of the sprawling. And Voice Actors. So mostly, they just go all in on those accents boy and it is so sincere and anyway yeah. Now booked I love it I, can't wait for every episode I. Love It. Love it. Love it. Now, I should note that I have switched from the podcast to watching them. They have a youtube channel and they also go live on twitch every Thursday evening and that is a far superior experience. Let me just tell you because they are actors and they're often very, very, very, very funny. But when they go into a dramatic pause and your audio only that can get. Pretty deadly but anyway, a highly recommend the web series critical role R. O. L. E. I really do love it but I can't help feeling like I'm saying you know what's what's good try water if you're thirsty water because they are. Huge and they are not the only game in town, but they might as well be. And that brings us to the end of our show. You can find all of us on twitter you can find me at G H Weldon you can follow Tobin at Tobin low. You can follow Sam at Sam Sanders you can follow Marc I am blankenship and can follow editor. Jessica Reedy. At Jessica underscore reading you can follow new producer Candice Limb at the Candice Limb and producer my cats if my cat's that's k. a. t. z. f Mike spent hello. Come in provides the music you are bobbing your head to or maybe you're not I don't know your life. 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239: Telling The Truth About Documentary Now!
"Uh-huh. I think we would have been willing to chalk it up to different worldviews. But. That night. They installed a speaker system and hooked it up to the orgy room. This is the extra hot great podcast episode two hundred and thirty nine for the week of Burberry eighteenth two thousand nineteen. I am automobile fodder David t goal, and I'm here with Dr rabs sugar ninth. Sarah, d bunting I agree to be here. Pinkai patient zero tar area. No is it noticeable in a touch of San Manila, Molly Lambert. Usually the guests have little quip there. But she's so sick from seminal. Nice. Welcome to answer home rate. Joining us for the very first time is a veteran podcast or Molly Lambert. Hello. Molly. Here to discuss IFC's documentary now which is returning for its third season. If you're recording listening to this episode the day it came out it will be on tonight at eleven PM eastern time. Check your local listings, but helpfully I have see also made the episode available in advance on YouTube. So if you don't get I've seen for whatever reason, are you can't find it would we will also have that embedded in our show notes. So the first episode is called bat shit valley described as their spoof. As all episodes of documentary now are spoofs of real documentaries. This one is inspired by net. Flicks is wild wild countries. So it's a story of a cult and sort of what went wrong, it's a two parter, which normally those are there finales. But this year, it's the it's the premier Molly. How do you think documentary now did tackling wild wild country? And also the source family short. Of exactly note for note. They. Through to. Yeah. I was a little sometimes I forgot which one I was watching. Yeah. It's it was funny to me because I did watch wild country was fascinated by the hallway through to see like the tiny changes that they made like it's not salmonella this time it is pink guy. There's there's more to it than that. Of course. But it still takes place in Oregon. There's still a spiritual leader, Sarah you or as a true crime podcast or also had watched wild country. What did you think of the of this take? At first I was like, but this is so exactly the same. That I don't. But then the little differences started to be apparent and what I historically like about documentary. Now is that they. They obviously love the format and the styles that they're satirizing so much that the exactitude of everything from like the score to the way that like film stock is aged debt to look a certain way as extremely exact they just have an excellent ear for this stuff. So even if this was just like, well, we're gonna put. Owen Wilson fake beard and just do kind of a shot for shot recreation that would have been fine because it was so the understanding of it was so felt. And then there's the scene with the the pumpkin carving set to an it begins to diverge slightly and just be. Just be kind of its own thing. And then enter. Batman, specially Batman like Keaton Connie Chung, saying the word butthole like here here we are. We'll send guru gets hit by a car. Yeah. It's just really it's really good. And I I think that also they have a really good ear for how much to like how exactly to. Pair it it. So that you are located in what you're in the source material. And then they know exactly when to divergent do something something else. That's funny. So it's fascinating to watch because I just watched. So so so many documentaries, especially true pride edits lake. It's like, okay. How like what exactly is the purpose of replicating this? But they really have such a good ear for it that it's it's always entertaining. Even if what they're what they're satirizing isn't necessarily something that I would care about. It's like their skills. Amazing. What they do on a technical level is amazing but paired with actually mimicking properly the cadence and speed of a newscast delivery Anki. It is such a rare animal to see pop culture for them to actually do that correctly and not screwed up in the service of what they want to say in the story in the script. Chirons aren't quite right or newscaster gives too much positional information that would not be germane to the actual news item. At hand is always something off about these kind of things. In television. And this gets it. Right. And when you pair that with their really good digital manipulation to aid, the their their film their attention to screen jitter, all the sort of self. They got perfectly correct. And I just wanted to give kudos for actually also nailing the newscast part. Yeah. That is one of my huge peeves and stuff like this as well. Like the actors who are playing newscasters are always acting too much like trying to give the characters like way too much personality more so than reporters actually, have Molly. What do you think are we are we at cult coverage situation point is it impossible to satirize a cult at this point? Or did you feel that this was like a worthy entrant into the visine visual of of cult spoofs? And and cult documented does it does feel a little bit. Like, we are he called. Although just last night. I was reading about a different thing that. I had never heard of that was about a gory who was sort of like Osho that culminated in an event called millennium seventy three have you ever heard of this the store for young ladies to get close? A gory. It was a gory who it culminated in this event in Texas. Actually that was like a big combination. Like come see the grew and come to this music festival, and it was kind of a big flop. In a lot of people were disappointing because they were just I was like reading about it and thinking, oh, I would love to see a documentary about this. I don't think I've fully exhausted. My my cults in commun- thing. Yeah. Yeah. I will say every time they showed Owen Wilson's face. I laughed so. He was really good, especially when he got pink guy. Yeah. He's not he's not in their usual. Like company of players. Actually, I did notice the season overall. We'll get into some of the other episodes that I did miss Bill Hader. I'm sure he is busy with berry. But he is not spoiler in any of the episodes the season. Although he did right at least one that I noticed. So, you know, it's they're branching out with new people. And I also thought the actor who played their version of mushy lick was was very funny. She she was great. Yeah. She's from girlfriends guide to divorce. I'm going to look up her name because I can't remember it. But yeah, she was she was really funny capturing cashiering that character. So such a such an indelible personage. Again, I was sort of like this is so exactly replicating that, you know, sometimes I'm just like, wow. With this make any sense if you hadn't seen wild wild country. Well, let's ask Dave 'cause he didn't. We'll follow cult ad and the political magnates inside the call. It was it was fine. I'm sure I would appreciated the craft of the script in some of the stuff. They did if I've seen them. But thoroughly enjoyed this a tell you the moment where I was totally sold on it. And I'll play a little clip a little background. There's like the town is at war with the cult that has moved in. And one of the towns people who owns a little grocery store put up a sign knocking the cult's thing. They do where they asked vegetables permission to eat them. And this kind of leads to kind of a little bit of a civil war in town. And this is a clip where the cult puts in a fake obituary for the mayor of the town, and this is sort of like the end of it it obituary, but it's still very alive mayor March Middleton, it was no proof that Russia did it. It was definitely in her voice. Today, March Middleton lost her long battle with stupidity. She will not be remembered by her friends and family as they are too. Stupid to do so services will be held wherever stupid people are buried. Those kind of the moment where I this. This was in my column of documentary now documentaries that actually find funny as opposed to documentary now documentaries where I can appreciate their craft. But I really find them all that entertaining kind of Burmese documentary now can run a fine line between crafty and like poignant grunter territory sometimes. I forget a poignant grunter is our term or we collected out from somebody. Do we need to link coined it? Okay. In easy, please pointed grunter explain. Oh, just someone who like when something happens. If you're in the theater watching a movie, they have to make sure that you hear you're going. We were we were sitting next to a couple of old when we went to see. Osa called. They will not they shall not grow old the Peter Jackson World War One documentary. And these two boomers were like making sure we knew they had a lot of opinions. Like, you're you're in your sixties, you weren't alive then shut up. But anyway that actresses name apologies for my bad Iranian pronunciation is net car Zada. She was great. Yeah. So there are episodes that fall into funny in their episodes. I kind of fall into that other category. I think bad shit valley was very funny as some of the other ones of the season like searching for Mr. Larson, which was there. Bill Watterson, send up and long gone. Were kind of like, you know, again, I predate the craft, but it didn't really find myself glued to the TV during some of these for my money. If you're watching this season, Basha valley's very funny, I found coop. Pretty good too. Which was there? It was good. What was the company is the based on? It's inspired by original cast recording colon company, which I had known. I've never seen it. And then the last one any given Saturday afternoon, which is like a bowling documentary spoof from league of ordinary gentlemen, starring one of the Detroit or so and in Dexter. That one was really good to the other ones. I just kind of find that. I was like, you know, just kind of nodding my head. Yes. Yes. I see what they've done there. But I really the ones that are funny. I not so hot on the ones that are just well-crafted. Molly do agree. I mean. Yeah. Like, they're very well crafted, and I feel like I do the what would you call it like the emotional? Grunt the point in granting. Yeah. Right. Like, yeah. You know, there's a part of me. That's like, oh, look, they exactly replicated the cinematography of this documentary. But. Not always laughing necessarily about that just kinda like, oh, yeah. Job yet. There some that. It was mostly the back half of this season that like I did admire the craft, but it was like, then I sort of lost interest in it. Once I figured out what the craft was designed to imitate or peyot Bosch too. But coop was so amazing. And that's what I'm talking about about both loving and sort of having familial contempt for. Better. Yeah. Renate at least gold's vary. What a good sport. Like just making sober new. Feeder cases on like, the camera is not like this will not be reflected in the recording. But just these like big is last row faces they were so, and it's always nice to see. Urbana yak. I love that guy. He just looks snarky just sitting there. Very please, Richard kind. He's one of my favorites in. So funny. This one is fantastic. He so he's so good. And the songs are so perfect. They're like unbelievably brilliant and how not quite good. They are at in that way. It's a hard thing is that I made I remember when I was charged at an advertising firm to recreate a bad late nineties website for campaign, and you know, what it should look like, but actually to actually build it while you're a good designer to build a shitty and make it look Efendic is really hard and y Matic kudos to marvel for kind of pulling it off with their captain marvel nineties website movies. It's pretty good. It's pretty good and this thing. Yeah. Yeah. I thought coop was great. And for the reason that Sarah said like none of the performers are winking about it like they're being they're being those characters. They're being those actors like cooped up in the studio for twenty four hours or Cording this album for a show that they find out while they're still there just closed. And Paula Pell is Elaine Stritch was so funny. I mean, it's just like top to bottom amazing. I did a little cocaine tonight hilarious, and he can also go on YouTube and look up late night with Myers because John Mullany was on last week. And he was talking about his process of how they wrote the songs for the episode because he wrote that episode as well starring in it as fakes on time. And so they played like a voice memo that he had sent to the songwriter of like a little bit of snippet of an idea, and he's like a various face while they play because it's so, but theory endearing. Oh, did we enjoy? The setup of the artist is present with a trait. Yeah. That's the Cape. Blanchette is marina Brahma Vishnu Malaya. That would you think I mean, again sort of like so similar to the original that, you know, part of me is just like like, I don't know that it like makes me laugh so much as go like. Look at that. They really on the nose. Definitely a lot more celebrity cameos in this season. Also because of the lack of Bill hater yet. So kind of depends on what you get. I think I think Cate Blanchett let herself go in that one out that was a great drinking from Milken screaming Rueben, or whatever that. You know, she gave herself from Bishen to be obsolete. Absurd and it works in those moments. But it's not the funniest of the episodes for sure it's one of those nods. I think e-eh did go on a little bit long. But just bullshit Alea. The bull shitty way. They talk about the works. It's like the these could be profound works or it could just be bullshit. And ran wasn't one of the talking. Head interviews the guy from. From exit through the gift shop. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, okay. So you're in this like Moi of like, what's real and what's more shit? But then at the end like Cape lead showed us having such a good time. You kind of have to go with hit the line that smiling bucket is what it means to be a woman to pause it because I was like that's ridiculous. That's completely spot on as an impression of the original. Ed, it kind of has this like truth to yell. I wrote that down as well. So good. So good. Yeah. Yeah. The second half with the exception of Tim Robinson in the last one. And the fact that they used the verb to beef as a sued him for parting by people as kind of like it did sort of tail off at the end and was a little bit self conscious, and like a little arms in is plenty of Armagh sin for me. This was armistice in ni at the end in a way that I didn't necessarily need. But yeah. Overall, strong season good season definitely worth watching and other than the premier about twenty minutes each they do not overstay their welcome at general. So even if they're not all hilarious. I always am glad that I've seen them. I would say before we get onto around the dial first tar and Sarah have a message. We do. We have a message from Kate to fun occasions coming up for Kate and her husband in twenty third wedding anniversary aunt inspir- day since they are. Escape puts it a key to some in a throw with TV than there. They wanted us to be a part of their celebration, Kate and mostly Ian, wanted to take their love of television outside the house and together of painted a series of show inspired designs on the paving stones in their garden. And last week. We tweet it out Cates. Video of the path because we've been challenged to a game, and you can play along for each of the stones weaken match to the show that inspired it Kate and Ian or going to donate five dollars to donors. Choose to support classroom projects submitted by teachers across the country because very dear to my own heart as longtime readers and listeners will recall cough tomato, costume, cough. Working say there is a team the three of us co hosts were able to identify twelve of the thirteen shows, but maybe you can best as he can check out the video in the show where the U unlike us knew what number three represents by the way, this is not for them to multiply their their gift. This is just for your fun and interest in appreciating what Philo TV fans. Did in their yard. Cates. Main purpose was to honor how smart supportive funny. Audacious body. Witty will read strong patient, and ding, ding, fun. Ian is so with that in mind every birthday in at the anniversary, Ian, and Kate and thank you for letting. N is. She's six. Castrophe Joe, Mer shoot slide. What are we sweetened sweeten the pot and throw in achy into that donation? We definitely will. It's time to go around the dollar first stop is with Tara Tara. What have you been watching? Well, Adam McKay currently in the news because he directed vice which is up for best picture and other awards at the Oscars has a new show coming to Amazon this Friday called the giant beasts that is the global economy, it's hosted by Calapan, and it's in this category of the misshapen children of last week tonight. Let's say. Also includes Patriot Act with us on Manashe. The Samantha b show full-frontal on TBS. These these shows where they try to do a deep dive on an issue, and it's never that. The issue isn't worth diving deep on it's that is this the best format for whatever. The topic is to be explored. And let's make tonight as a show, I still watch. I think it's good as far as it goes definitely has a lot of blind spots, which I won't go into for pinko reasons and the base on. Although she really wants to people don't usually that they get to a point. And then they don't go as far as like. Well, the issue with cash bail is capitalism. Like, they're they don't take that final step to like really rate, identify, whatever. The main source problem is anyway, so the giant beast sorry. This giant beast the first episode, which was the only one of the screeners that we watched about money laundering, and Adam occa-, if as you know, if you've seen the big short or the other guys, I think fancies himself like an amateur communist, which is fine and these are issues that he wants to delve into. So that there's more oversight and more attention paid to white collar crimes, which is extremely laudable. Obviously have no problem with that. Yes. There's anyone who seen stepbrothers knows. Honestly, more stepbrothers less vice like for real. But in saying this a lot like there's no need for vice because stepbrothers was already the best movie about the two thousand and the recession, you know, like a perfect movie about the thousands. I can't disagree. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. So the show is fine. Like, they give Calapan a million dollars. They fly him to like various exotic locales and have him interview people about stuff like how do you set up a dummy corporation in Cyprus like how hard is it? How what would I actually do if a million dollars of dirty money came to me, and I had to clean it? And some of it is interesting. The the whole thing about like, you can buy art. And then sell it again is like I think probably the premise of this new show on invasion called Rivera. But I only watched one because it was kind of boring. The problem is is that all of these shows are hosted by actors or comedians, and so they're not journalists. So when they sit down and interview these people like they're not actually trying to hold them to any kind of account or get them to give answers to difficult questions like they're actors, so they're just trying to be charming breath. So for example, when Cal pen sits down with Felix, or who is I believe convicted money launderer, and he like makes a joke about how now yester- drink his Margaritas out of plastic cups because he stabbed a guy with a Margarita glass. Cow pens reaction is to like literally throw his head back and laugh, and it's like. Roni moso. Yikes. Like, yeah. If only there were lots of out-of-work journalists to do the act kinds of things God exactly Dave Dave's point was that. It's it's it's too inflected. Also by the vice style of TV infotainment, which is also bad. But like, I think there's a reason that last week tonight does not have John Oliver interviewing people in person very much. That's why it's because like that's not what he should be doing. And that's not what that's not going to actually shed any light on any of these topics because you're not a journalist and don't try to be. So my review of this is no I mean, if you super love those other shows, you'll probably like this one too. But I don't and I didn't. So it was a shrug for me. You got me excited about the idea of pinko last week tonight, though. Well, maybe someday maybe someday, we'll get it. Yeah. That could be us. Hey, let's talk off line and for my plug. I'm gonna mention Sarah. And I were back on Dave Ross and Jeb Lund. Both has guest their hallmark movies podcast. David Jeb aren't mean. Yes. There is a third wedding March movie and a fourth which we haven't got to yet. But this one was about. Colon here, come the bride. Here comes the bride excuse me. Once again with Joe, see beset, and Jack Wagner and many other Canadian actor trying to look old in fake Vermont actually Vancouver island. So we'll link that in the show notes, but check that out. Molly what you've been watching recently. I have been watching so much needed and afraid. Because I just discovered it on real television. When I was a at home for the holidays, and I'd never seen it before. Then I found out it's been on for ten years. Ten years. That's. To me. And the first thing I said when I watched it was like, I wonder how long the show was on before somebody died they had to stop making it and the answer is nobody has yet. I guess or my darker theory is that someone has and they just didn't air that episode. I love the show. It's like it's always white people with tribal tattoos think they'll be really good at survival ISM. And then by like day three turns into Verner Herzog movie where like nature destroys them. It's the best show. I love it. What is what channel even that discovery? Well, I've been watching it on Hulu because they just all the seasons. Great find very relaxing. Also makes you appreciate like having clouds in a blanket and. So much. I mean, I thought I appreciate it all those things, but I probably use them. But then you see people who voluntarily chose to like go into the jungle and survive with nothing and they're covered in bug bites. And they're like, I'm so unhappy. You're like a ha ha that's not me. Do you have anything you wanna plug group? We'll we'll make sure to plug your social media and your podcast, but please please discuss sure I will plug night. Call my podcast with tesla. Yoshida didn't episode about Russian doll last week, which you guys also did upset about. In the night, another podcast called, Molly sleazy, friends, just me interviewing people one on one. We'll have an episode out soon about it exciting conspiracy theory about Clint Eastwood's the mule. Oh, awesome. In. Era. But. Speaking of conspiracy theories sort of I have been watching sneaky Pete from the beginning. I started watching it like two years ago in the first season dropped on Amazon prime a meant to get back to it. And it just didn't whatever reason the basic premise is that Giovanni rubies. Con Maria's gets paroled. He needs to hide from Bryan cranston's crime boss, Vince, while he Maria's getting the money. He owes Vance. And basically he steals his Selis identity returns to the family. The actual Pete Murphy has not seen into decades, which is highly able to get by with this and question Mark, the family secrets of its own. They were on a bail bonds business because of course, they do. And it is the family is run by Margo Martindale Audrey because God loves us and wants us to have good teeth. Stinky, Pete is good TV. It's not great. But it is very winter Sunday bench -able, our own Mark Blankenship wrote it up for previously dot TV when it first premiered, and we'll link to that fact sheet in the show notes, but one of his comments was that this show is originally supposed to be a CBS procedural. And that that the once you know, that you could definitely see it for good or ill. There is definitely a similar not super credible. But very energetic atmosphere in the show show running duties were taken over by justified Graham, Joost after Amazon adopted the show you have a bunch of justified alums in the cast. The sort of justified energy is also palpable. Here's the show's. Principal problem for me. Partway through season what most of the way through season one at this point. And it's two parts of the same problem and one is that Joe Joost sometimes tends to let his characters monologue because he has actress who can handle it, Dale among them. But the writing doesn't always bear up under that and to Bryan Cranston is an executive producers when the dialogue is Vince. Seriously, we timed it. An eight minutes story is neither necessary nor particularly flattering to Bryan Cranston on the accent side of things that should should have been chopped down. If those of you who came after that monologue will excuse the expression, it should have been chopped down to forty five seconds. But it isn't because Brian Cranston who is clearly enjoying himself. But the show is definitely at its strongest when it's in Connecticut with the Murphys or flashing back to Mary's pre penitentiary cons. And when it's letting Cranston be talking villain all over the set for a third of an episode in the service of torturing a character that like the audience doesn't really care about. And we're not sure why characters do either. Anyway, there is some frustrations with the show is what I'm trying to say. But rumor has it that season two features Ricky, Jay. So may he rest I am in. And I'm looking forward to getting caught up on stinky, Pete by the time season three drops, which is later this year. I think actually Ricky Jay's passing may have screwed up their production schedule. So it's going to be a bit later than they thought. But that will be a good one to go with Bosch when Bosch is back. I've ever been. It's good to hear Utah women to sneaky Pete with like, you know, Ricky, Jay. Yeah. I mean, it really is like occasionally like my husband. I just look at each other like, but you know once. Scranton sort of starts turning the crank on one of these characters. Monologues? It's like all right. Do you want some popcorn nothing's gonna pay? And then you just like reconvened on the couch, and he's winding up and unit missing thing. I love you in Cranston. This is not your fault. But they should've cut your cut your monologue down for my. Doug. Yeah. Nice long monologue. You can go and like that you go make popcorn which is sort of like why like we don't need this the possible fast forward -able era. But okay, like, you're you're doing what you love to do. Bryan, cranston. And I'm doing what I love to do which is to get more orients. Or my plug. I have a true crime podcast. Maybe you hurt skull. The plotter presents this week. Kevin smoke returns to talk about the onion fields both the book in the movie and in a week or two I will have an interview with the director of objected in plain sight. I frankly don't know where to begin. Honestly her. I it's like so what the fuck I watched this yesterday at Ling, I read a lot of eats. And I was not prepared. Everyone says everyone's like I knew what it was about. But I wasn't prepared. No, you're just not prepared for. How much victim blaming you're about to start. I shouldn't laugh and don't say anything else. Everyone should watch. It's yes. It's crazy. Yes. Indeed. To be listening to this on the Wednesday morning that it drops. I still will not have done the interview. So Email me Sarah at previously dot TV if you have questions for the director. That's it. We watched a show called it is called miracle workers on TV starring Stephen Shemi as God way. That's a real show. That's a real show. Yeah. Did the spin weight is it a spin off of God. The God fronted me in the down of the verse. Infrinted me, unrelated, it's based on a book by Simon rich who is also show runner. Okay. Those is an idea that's been floating around in my head for a while. I think bay even like pitch this on the on the podcast at some point or explained it. So my sort of adjacent idea was that there is this company and indicia what's heaven Inc. In my show. It was run by sort of a cigarette smoking man from the X files guy, and they determine everything that happens on earth. And in my show, you know, it was basically the office meets that character from X files and this show Steve AMIS is God, and God is sort of just really lazy and dot involved with humanity anymore. He runs a company called heaven incorporated that does everything for earth kind of behind the scenes in the way, the angels after do Daniel Radcliffe is one of their medical workers. That sort of begets prayers that are answerable and just finds ways to make them happen such as somebody can't find their gloves. So he sits there in presses the wind button to blow snowflake off time off this glove. And then they find the glove interesting. Premise execution was a little bland. I thought for what they coulda done. Tar. You also washed it to do agree. I agree. It was it was very, blah. I mean, I watched probably the first three or four episodes of man seeking women which is Simon riches previous show with Jay Baer shell that was on FX ex probably. So when I found out it was him. I was like oh that kind of cancels out the coolness of Stephen shimmy a weird way being a laissez faire. God. But yeah, I don't. Yeah. It's fine. I don't feel like I need to see more of it. The the episode ends with. This new eager angel who's working with with Daniel Radcliffe sky in the answer prayers department. Decides like God decides he's he's sick of earth's shit. And he's gonna blow it up and dissolve the company and everyone's going to be laid off, and she makes him a deal a bet that if she can put this one couple together he will call off his plans. So there are your stakes, but it's a limited series. Only episodes of oh, that's what they always say. So if he were like kind of charmed by the first one there's not probably a ton to watch on TV s Tuesday nights at ten thirty. I think eastern time, but the the the the sort of meta story that was occurring to me while I was watching it is like it's interesting how these kind of fantasy shows like the good places. Another one have this concept of like divine power as an office like a workplace, very boring and unsatisfying and uninspiring, but very stable someone should write a story about like what this means. In to do think piece about why this keeps coming up because everyone's fantasy is to have a stable job. Well, of course, but yes, this is the only place where this where we can even see this happen. Like, even the office is on any more. Like, we the only place we can conceive of being like, a comfortable bureaucrat is in Bill literal in literally heaven, you know, so kind of a bummer way to end this. But show is fine was not great. Dave. Would you agree? Definitely the tagline for the threes. It is time for the cannon a little different this. We excited to hear and talk about it. Here we go the great British bake of is a reality cooking competition. Wherein? The only thing at stake is a cake stand. That is literally the only prize other than bouquet the size of a Shetland pony. No money changes hands. No, internships are awarded. You are handed a cake stand that I'm pretty sure it doesn't even have your name engraved on it. And despite this it is one of the most nailbitingly suspenseful television shows I have ever watched with your biscuits snap will marry berry. Declare your pastry to be scrutiny will your Brid move Paul Hollywood to give you a handshake that I can only assume reeks of aqua velva and pomposity. It's also completely charming. There's no backstabbing. No, bad mouthing, everyone is supportive and encouraging cheering one another on. And comforting each other. When disaster strikes it manages to be both comfortable and refreshing a rarity on reality shows each episode follows the same structure a signature bake that the bakers get to practice at home beforehand, a technical challenge. That's a mystery right up until the big starts and finally showstopper along intricate hugely difficult. Take on that week's theme. It's tough to single out an episode as the best. But here we are six points that I hope demonstrate why series six or if you wanna get all American about it season. Three episode ten the final should be in the cannon point number one. The baker's themselves, Ian Nadia into mall, or three of my favorite bakers across the entire series of the great British bake off. They're all funny, humble, creative and immensely knowledgeable to mall who has great flavors but struggles with time. Thing. Can't quite believe. He's here in clip one. He wanting to tell people strangers. I mean, the final me who will you Nadia meanwhile to suck at technical challenges, but is incredibly innovative when it comes to her bakes, and she gives herself a bit of a pep talk in clip two. Now, I'm kind of. I want to do, but I really wanna win. I don't wanna come second on twin? And it's just greed weeded coming feeding very strange this morning in the engineer of the group seems to be the one to beat at the beginning of the season. And he's a tad overwhelmed in clip three general this could be a pivotal moments in my life. We can we'll too big dumping about that. It's just another weekend in the ten three things to cook. Whilst. Lauch in the month. Point number two, the signature bake is truly signature in that. Everybody is completely on brand. The bake is east buns. It K a polls very favorite thing in comes up with two interesting flavors. But in what will become a running theme in this episode? He forgets the sugar in one of them. So they end up tasting funny. Tomorrow mix the apparently very strange decision to use Royal icing on his while they taste good. He rushes his air and can't use it Nadia. Meanwhile, breaks the mold as well. As Paul Hollywood's heart in clip before I'm doing one shape fingers, and then the other one round nice. Yeah. Why shouldn't have done be round? Point number three, the middle and sue behave themselves. I love Mellon, sue truly. But sometimes they do a few too many bits. They do have a good one. However at the start at the technical challenge in clip five. It's one of polls recipes pull any pulse of wisdom. No, no, pull them Mary. You'll bungee jump awaits have. All right time marry the safety hana's there. We haven't bothered for you very much a single trip. Speaking of the technical, it's meaningfully which Nope. Not even once it just looks like a terrible thing to have too. Big Paul explains that he picked it because all three bakers had trouble during pastry week, which Nadia immediately clocks in clip six. Just it could be. A personalized challenge. Just to me. Koshien? I think. Tomatoes and create the butter like he supposed to in places last Ian pipes badly in places. Second knottiest looks and tastes pretty good. So she's I point number four the showstopper. Ordinarily, the result of the show stopper seems to dictate who's going to win that week star bigger, and it's obvious from the judging results who's that who that's going to be most of the time especially in the final this time, however, all three bakers bring their game. So it's a little less clear. The bakers have to make a classic British cake with multiple tiers knotty is making lemon wedding cake decorated with flowers and saris ends making the biggest carrot kick of all time and Tamaz making a sticky toffee pudding cake, but design of which all at him describe in clip seven the theme was meant to be something old these pictures in the press about Chinese fishing village have been abandoned overtaken by the underground stuff. And I reading the sponge Chagos mitzvah represent cope webs. So they get the straight. You'll classic British cake is based. On an ancient abounds Chinese fishing village? I love you. Again, everyone is very much on brand Ian mixed the wrong amount of mixture for his first batch of cakes forgets to the oranges to a second and leave the cream cheese for his frosting in the fridge for too long seriously, dude, get it together. But still manages to turn out a carrot cake that Paul counts as among the best. He's ever eaten to most sugar work is threatened by the weather, but he pulls it out anyway into something that is both bizarre looking and oddly beautiful, and Mary loves it Nadia is constantly shown tearing ASA around tent, but still finds time to make our own damn funded out of marshmallows and pulls over the moon about her cake while still predictably finding a way to be a dick at the outside garden party. We get to check in with some of the past bakers and we hear their predictions in clicked favor. Not unlike sea tomorrow do think. Yeah. He's he's he's cooled. My money might be on E N because he is very different host family. Najah will win the bake ends. Everyone finishes on time though. Ian cuts it really close. There's a group hug and a sense of anticipation falls over the bakers in clip nine. Even to mall. He was starting to crack it and he's been to be the strong one amongst with just. That was kind of a lot riding on today for me. On to get everything post so hard to get everything I had here in my eye as I walk the tent can I'm gonna ever do that again. Yeah, I've been through. Loin too. On this apron. They've all gone yet. Yeah. Given it meal. Everyone goes out to the party while Marian Paul deliberate over the winter. And that winter is my point five in Clinton, of course, that can only be one single win on so with real pleasure. The winner as. Nadia? Really, I would have been happy for any of them. But Nadia made such a journey over the ten weeks, but it super gratifying to see her win. Her joy is beautiful and infectious, there's wonderful moment where Mary wipes away not his tears of happiness and an even more wonderful one. We're not silently left cries, while pointing to the cake stand and then to herself in jubilant disbelief, which brings me to point six the biggest point of all knottiest speech in clip eleven and never ever gonna put boundaries on myself ever. Again. I'm never gonna say I. She is now. I am never ever going to put boundaries on myself of Reagan. I'm never going to say, I can't do it. I'm never gonna say maybe. I don't think again. I can and I will. Chokes me up every time. It's so raw an honest and lovely even the usually stoic. Mary. Berry can't quit. Keep it together in clip twelve over the weeks, she's grown and grown. And learnt herself that she could do it. And when she came into the final today, she was Nevis, but she had sort of look that I'm going to do it. And she did she affection. It's a perfect end to a wonderful season. And I hope you'll award it star bigger. I mean inducted into the canon. Thank you. Thank you so much Erica for this submission. Molly chose this off our list of user submission Somali. Why don't you go? First. What what are what are your thoughts about? This this episode going into our cannon. Oh, a mean. It was nice to watch it again. It is just a lovely episode. Sort of a, you know, perfect episode of the British bake off. To show somebody to be like, this is a great show. It's very soothing and comforting and good people win again, this is maybe my idea of heaven is like British bake off tent. You know? Gentle when people lose they never freak out there. Just like. Oh, well, yeah. Yeah. And they never cast like the bad boy of bacon Zere this. That's no. Everybody's so polite. That's what makes it so good. Everyone is so unlike a American reality show, everybody's just like, oh, well, it must not be very good. Then home do like self effacing. All right. Well, it's so this episode, but you think it's still very special entry into the the annals of a show that you have loved for. Sure. I mean, it's like I you know, I fell in love with the show like everybody else. It's episode when Mary Barry was still on it. And I think Nadia's win was just very like Mary inspiring. I loved her. I was rooting for her and people rooting for never win on cooking shows. All right, Sara. Why don't you going? Next. This show. Here's how in the tank. We are in my house for this show. And specifically this season my husband, and I dress is Mellon sue for Halloween. Yes. My husband like happened to have the perfect sue hair the time their their pictures on Instagram. I think I can take them up, and then friend, Jillian got us. You're able to buy the ink drawings that they show between the bakes of the artist's rendering of the bakers are going to do you could buy them from the artist they're like signed originals. So our friend, Jillian, but the artwork of Nadia's soda her like pop reation yet. So that's in our kitchen. Bunting was mentioned like weirdly a lot in this episode. Like this episode is great. And sometimes if I can't sleep I will put on old Bakos that I've seen like gazillion times before I've probably seen this episode five times ready. I still cried at the end like it's just really wonderful. The drama is in the baking not like a bunch of. Hell's kitchen? The master Sheffi interpersonal, screaming and editing. Fakery. And here's another thing that I like about it. They just do it needs to be done. And there's not a lot of like bashing around like in the beginning sue's voice over says in the beginning there twelve now there are three and then they just go into the opening credits. Like, I do we don't have to have like the survivor style like parade of torches, or whatever they call it. It's just so elegantly understated -ly done. And it is I don't mind Prue. I don't mind Nolan sandy, I think they're just fine the show kit endure was new personnel. But Mary berry really and her wonderful, jackets, really were international treasure. And obviously Mellon sue I feel the same and the openness of their emotion that is not cheesy. Is wonderful. I just think this is a great show and while on balance to rewatch, I tend to prefer earlier in the season episodes because there's more going on and less sometimes they have these interstitial. Let's go to the Spanish village where such as so pastry was invented like fast forward. Don't don't don't care unless it spotted dick. So that I can laugh. But this is I think. Like, it's a perfect example of what makes the show. Great. And it was a delight to revisit Dave goal. I don't disagree with pretty much anything that Erica said. But problem is this show is so formulaic and the formula is really good. It's not a diss that really. I think like every episode guests almost exactly the same grade. Like like, here's an eighty nine. Here's the eight and here's your ninety. I mean, it's they don't deviate from a formula that works which is great because it's a fine show. And I like what they're doing. I like that there's a show out there that is full of good people in reality show where there's no prize, and they helped them they help each other. When you know, they're putting falls on the floor whatnot. But like there's nothing in this episode that I couldn't get in any other episode which makes it hard to like the then is this cannon like. Because the show is such on even keel. Do we just say this is the one episode I'll put in the canon in acknowledgement of a reality show that went against the grain and succeeded or do we say this is a canon episode or this is not a canon episode because all great British bake off episodes are alike, and really like all the arguments for this episode agree with I can make those arguments for pretty much any other episode beyond like a personal preference for the winner or a couple of baker's. But I mean, thrall nice people. I wouldn't like really except for one person in the this season. I had to watch every one of for the podcasts that she just immediately went to tears each time. And it was like all right come on beyond her. I'd be happy for anybody to win. So I think I will Tara talks. I will ponder. Whether how I want this candidates predation to fall, well, that's very helpful information. Because this is the first episode of great British bake off. I ever. In my life. I did at it. This season's coverage by the affirmation, Mark Blankenship. And I listened to every episode of the two spotted Dicks on the great British bake off podcast. So I'm familiar with you know, how the show works. So you know, none of this was like. I live in the world. Like, I know what the show is. I agree with Erica that the may meal. Looks look terrible. They did not look fun to watch. Even the buns looked like just messy all looked really unpleasant, but often looks gross on the show, which doesn't take away for my enjoyment. A lot of my response to great British bake off is like British pastries disgusting. I do remember that from editing visual aids from the show for sure and this time like the candy, striped, whatever goes on top. I guess it was funded it it it just looked like plasticine at. But unlike on nailed it when they show the model of what you're supposed to be making. And you're like, no normal person could or would want to make this insane shark cake like these at least you get the center like, okay, it's hard. But like someone who is an amateur Baker could figure out how to do it. So I appreciate that part of it in terms of like what they designed. And I'd like that the that the show stopper was kind of open ended in terms of like, you know, there were some rubrics cheers, and the whatever, but it was generally. Do you do you? And that was sort of fun to see what each of the you know, what each of the contestants decided to pick to represent themselves. Although I disagree with Erica. That tha malls weird cake was oddly beautiful, it looked horrible. It didn't look like food look disgusting and all the British praise that was a dog's breakfast. Yeah. And when he described the flavors it's like dates and fruitcake, and it's like sticky feeling. No. But son, no mean nothing goes together, like wet wet dough and crunchy sugar bits. Yeah. Was like it was just so extra and I could tell just from even only only watching this one episode like, obviously, he is a sweetie. They're all sweeties like this is not against his creativity. And like good for him for having an idea. But like, wow, no. But the the the whole thing with a garden party. Sweet. I didn't realize like their families are there and get to taste the cakes that was super cute and all the past contestants coming back and much less bitchy way than when it happens on project runway the final show. And you know, I cried when Nadia cried, and when Mary berry wiped her tears, I was like I lost it. It was released wheat and Mary berry reminds me of my own actual, grandma. Who is also a fantastic Baker. So I had a lot of mixed emotions about this. But I sort of I'm leaning towards Dave's point that like if every episode is great then how like what is it about this one? That you veteran people that seem to be leaning. Yes, would say really sets it apart. Because erica's case I have to say did not one hundred percent convinced me, but perhaps you could. I think the presence of Mary berry and melon sue means that its peak bake off Nadia, I think was an extremely like more than usual beloved winter. This was a very solid like close final three. And I don't think there's anything wrong with inducting show or an episode into the canon that is an exemplar of other mostly just as good episodes because some some episodes of like early bake off its its roof. What a lot of tales hanging off. So I don't know. I don't I don't I I am not nearly a strict and like small c- Catholic about the the terms of the canon as Dave which I don't I don't think he's wrong. I just look at it differently. But I do think that this is outstanding television generally, and if Dave wants to slam the cannon door closed behind it. This show shots fine. But I do think something from the show should go in. And I think this episode is a very good example. No, I enjoy the series quite a bit. But I was sort of my stickling point before we move onto the loon. I did have actually a few random points. I wanted to make the outdoor kitchen had had to be like, the one evil thing that the producers decided on like there were much officials to we need one thing to sort of screw people up at a sense of drama without actually being a front and and and overt about it. And it had to be the outdoor baking kitchen because there's like donuts when I was in high school. I was my high school job and just like the differences outside in humidity. And temperature would totally fuck up a bake never mind actually just baking with plastic walls outside in that race. That is. Yeah. Forget this kind of evil. The way I described the spun sugar gross nut date cake. Originally was it really looks like if the dog from the thing after explodes was a cake, it kind of looks like that. Yeah. With racism, there's some annihilation in that to you. Well. Up to date reference for sure. Finally, this was Tara observation I had to double check later. But man, I don't know what legal problem they had bringing the title great British bake off into into the states. But the length they go to including having to CGI on top of the original cake plate prize. If you watch a closely, you can see there's like a rodeo scoped great British baking show logo for PBS, and it doesn't quite properly with the motion of. I was wondering what that was. Yeah. And we're like why not leave it because. So, but that was funny to watch that really looked like nineties era, you know, special effects in in the show. All right. When you watch it on Netflix to be to be clear. Oh, yes. Thank you. All right. So for the purposes, and because I really hate when things get renamed and receives and we're gonna refer to this as the great British bake off series. Six episode ten final was put this to our final vote. Molly. What say you can in worthy or not. I'm going yet. All right. Sarah, d bunting hope it can cram 'em this into the cannon with our mats. It's yes for me. All right. I there are shows that are an even keel that are sorta like shows I don't enjoy as much as this. I would really feel bad if I left this out of a cannon just because it was consistently great piece of reality programming. So I'm not saying do this all the time. I think Sarah made a good case that for this for this. At least this once that I will put great British bake off into the canon. This'll be Representative Tara. Well, as I said, it made me cry. So I can't vote against that. I will vote. All right. That means. That. Great British bake off series. Six episode ten final your hereby inducted into the extra. Great cannon. American level winner. And will not tolerate a little. It's time for winter and lizard the week Sarah hazard Witter, I do it's a very meta week in winter Bill with an honorable mention the tar area is our winner because Aaron Sorkin quashed rumors of a revival of the newsroom fag. Vaga the real winner is me in or Steve colleague, John rainbows because golden girls. Cruise is setting sail in twenty twenty. It's so soon are you gonna go. I don't know. I feel you should as I said on slack this morning. You should already be pitching yourself to go and cover its maiden voyage. If someone pays me to write about it. I will forgo his Betty white, the only surviving golden girl. Right. Yes. Yes. All right. So she's going to be smashing that champagne bottle on the side of that one. You know? So she's got a live through this year. I. Lose her the week took a. I mean karma for me. I guess. Weeble? Thank you. Netflix show runners they cancelled three shows yesterday, the punisher Jessica Jones. Although in the latter case there is a third season. They already made that will. I mean, air whatever you call. It stream. This year and friends from college the mostly unloved average sitcom, the really strangely. Good cast. But kind of very average the there probably will be an afterlife for all of the marvel shows because Disney has a streaming service coming and they may revive them in some form. But still it's if feels weird to you I read that the TV departments and departments don't really Joel that. Well, and they're not really hopeful that any of these shows will see another life down the road, the strategy for marvel TV moving ahead on that Disney. Plus thing they're doing miniseries on various characters. There's a low-key show. Oh, sure limited show and stuff like that. So I think that's the way they're going. So I wouldn't be surprised if these shows are completely and utterly dead in the real world sense of it and not in the comic book world sense of it where they get re put two days later. It is funny to me that these shows that like get peak TV levels of coverage like outlets or recapping every episode and stuff like all of these can't hold on Netflix. And yet somehow agents of shield is still. It has a new season coming how. Well, because the Netflix cancellations are political, right? They're not breathing space. I mean, it shows did really well for Netflix. I mean, I don't know. But I'm fist. But basically Disney started say started making ways that they're going to start a competing. Yeah. I guess I thought this is just Netflix realizing like, oh, we're making too much stuff. We got like, I don't think. So I think a sour grapes. Then what about friends college just part of this little known as part of the extended marvel universe? It's like a squirrel girl. And all those guys goes adventures. Teasing three. It was like, oh, they're all superheroes. That's why you've been following his the slowest origin story ever for what? I wish more origin stories would take place ether, very far before the person becomes a superhero, or like in medias rats, like they're already a superhero for a long time. Careful you wish for on the former because that's Gotham, right? I I don't actually want any of these. But. For the people for the people who like things like that. We only need one superhero his name is then number. Yeah. Benham host the Oscars. Are speaking of things that turn people angry. Do you know what time it is? All right, everybody. This is the fifth game time of the season to remind you season scores currently, Sarah to Tara one value. Guests want today, we're playing I am rubber and your glue from our good friend from France Mademoiselle Caroline, who earns herself an extra credit topic of her Tuesday. Today's twenty four question. Audio quiz will test your knowledge of TV, insults and insults. A clip of an insult or outbursts. And you tell me the show for one point and the character for an additional point I will provide no hints and let it be known that some audio has been redacted characters names and stuff like that once in a while. I'm not gonna say anything about Franson salsa. Let's move on steel situation. These tara. I'll right Sarah debunking has to steal meals. I have one okaying guess still with none. Correct. Correct. Okay. So let's through to picky to see who is going to go first. We will start with valued guest. All right, molly's going first. Then we'll go to Tara and Sarah. Are we ready to play? I'm rubber and your glue. And they're all right, Molly. I'm gonna play you a clip at the end of the clip, you told me the show and predictable point you tell me the character who is doing the insulting or the Burston. Here. We go. We must beat them back. Take this city, you'll king sickie. Kings. God. The city. Fuck king. All right. Who's that? Angry guy. Does he like somebody from the show a little show? I do not watch called AME of thrones point for that. Hey, I can recognize the bad dialogue. Yup. I don't know. I don't know who it was. I'm gonna go teary on. That's a good guess, I think we did hear him. But he's not the one we're looking for. We wanted the hound. If you knew that, I if you knew how much I don't know about this show is easing that. I even got this far. I appreciate that. I have a lot of troubles with names on game of thrones. And I watched the show I'm gonna give you three day points. Hey, nothing right now. But someday down the line people will thank you for it to tar. Yes. Our point stand fucking call stand. Although there right? Move on. I will perform a fucking living fucking zone you with a fucking rusty Spade. Now, have your kidneys fucking covering. My heart. That's the thick of it. And the character is Malcolm Tucker, good for two points to Sarah, d bunting. Yourself means you're half. You mean draft that is the good place? Eleanor shell stop this, correct. For two points. Okay. Back to Molly. You'll like the league of nations and thirty six just hoping the obscene crisis resolves itself. That's the lesson. You draw from the fall of baba. He sounds so naive and you sound just like Victor, Emmanuel the third. A stash show whose character. Molly. Frazier. It is not probably not gonna get the character. All right. That was captain Holt from Brooklyn nine nine organ dis. He how I could have confused for erasure as soon as you said it, I'm like that timber that it gets very Frazier area. And it's very Frazier in and we ought to know, we're frayed duration yet to bring up an arcane war seems very Frazier. Tutor swallowed a magnet. We got to cut it out. How old are you? He swallowed something stunned to a fridge Darwin says, let him die. That's house of house suppose house of house house. Saturday bunting. Why are you the way that you are honestly every time? I try to do something fun or exciting. You make it not that way. I hate. So much about the things that you choose to be. Is that the office? Is it? Okay. Then is that Michael Scott? You are correct. And you have two points well done. All right, Molly. Here we go. It's the mediums. The mediums sketch wasn't rarin at certain. What? All right muppet show. Statler and Waldorf. There we go. Original podcast or? True. Boy, do they have a man why do they have a podcast they should base? They probably do we just like we're out of it. This. Cuckoo torture. Listen to great. Tara, this clip at the audio is not so great. So if you wanna hear it twice, I will certainly blonde. Okay. So that he doesn't suspect. Would be invaluable. I don't think hearing it again is gonna help it do not know what that is no clue. That is Perot from Agatha Christie Perot being sure French bit. All right here, we go. This is for who is for me, Saturday gun. Thank you need to mansard and fast gonna turn on the hot lights to the Lindsay op and see who cracks. I China's cities me. Thought it would make this sound in my lifetime. But. This is going to be tough for anybody on this panel. I don't think anybody watches this show certainly have talked about it on the podcast before the and I hear the clip again. Sure, they need to managers and fast as you. And I are going to turn on the hot lights do the Lindsay op and see who cracks I China seduce me. I never thought it would make this sounded my lifetime. But. Oh my God. I I. So yeah, that's annoying me. Also. And it's annoying me that I know that actor's voice, but I don't have enough time to come up with guests. So Benson Benson. Lassiter on psych psych. Okay. Circling around that all in your brain. Now. No. No, okay. Don't feel bed back Tamale. Shame. God made me a man guys. Doing a lot of brag about it. Either. Carlo on cheers to your point. Wow. It's fun to. Yes. Tell me wearing cheap tacky dressed. Fred, I wouldn't be caught dead net. Dress would have to be dead six months to fit into. Oh playing again. Tell me you're wearing cheap tacky dressed oldest friend because dead med dress would have to be six months to fit into. Is that the nanny? I it's the Butler, but I don't know his name. I don't know. His name corrected is a Butler. The butlers name is Niles aisles on. And other old one point. That's pretty fucking impressive for that. Amazing. Well done. All right. Sarah d bunting last question before our score break rate. If you able to gin dressed like a mass teacher, I will paint you'll bulls Vasil uninformed Bank of skurdal's that winter's coming. This is another guy. Yeah. We play that cloud. Yeah. If you don't mind if you come into your again dressed, like a maths teacher, I will paint your bulls Vasil notes, an informed bagasse girls that winter's coming. Any guess? The ruttles at. Yeah. I was tough on that was gene from life on Mars. I think you need to get. It wasn't going to be a culture osmosis answer for sure. All right back Tamale await score break. Let's hear this chorus. Please Tara Ariana very close game me you're tied with five points. Each mistero has four. All right back to the game. This one's for Molly. I worry about them. Don't worry about what didn't worry. Oh, my own Louis or Allaster, or as as warring an ideology gang piece on the boat underestimate. God, I have no idea. What that is. Anybody? No, I'm not going to steal meal it, but is it American gods? No. It's not. That's a fine guest is definitely that was my gonna be my Gat seal. But that was Crawley on supernatural. You gotta remember who wrote this game. Yeah. No, you're author. All right to Tara area. No. And response to the beastie -ality. Rumors circulating about you decided to forego calling you by usual girl's name. And instead, I'm going to be referring to you by whatever famous dog, I can think of gone with Lassie because of course, that's despise the criteria of being both a girl and a dog's name, thus helping you easy into the transition. That is Dr Cox on scrubs. All right to Saturday bunting. This birthday thing. Kind of has me depressed as well. You think you could help me to sure no matter how bad things get. Remember? These sage words, you're all just side. Get over it. So do Jesus personally. Up and smell the coffee a fossil. Mistake. I thought since you looked like Yoda also. Giving and taking. So you got two possible answers for the character. What's the show? I think you know, both. But yes, speaking of the devils, that's the golden girls blanche and so- FIA correct points picky shines on you back Tamale. Everybody's got three questions left next on your fascinating list of talking points. What your major seriously you've got one minute to make an impression, and that's all you can come up with you want to know my sign to Jack or how about my favorite color, or if I'm Britney or Christina here. I'll ask you question was the last time you had an interesting thought when you considered flagging yourself off a building. By jack. Man. I don't know my. Austin's create. That's why I guess. Is contemporary tide of anybody? That's Gilmore girls Jomo yet. I was Paris from Gilmore girls. I could feel the WB. Yes. Your instincts were correct to tar area. Michigan j frog. Tragedy happened in your life that you insist upon punishing yourself with all this mediocrity. Eating Turkey, Turkey sub your close. The fact that women of your resources imposition lives like some boxcar Hobo. Or maybe it's the fact while I'm saying this you have a piece of lettuce. Stuck in your hair? That is thirty rock, Jack. Donna gay. All right. Sarah, d bunting. Are you ready? I don't know. They is opening the mouth moves, but Mr Brian long since departed. Can I hear it? Again. They is open the mouth moves, but Mr Brian long since dip off. Sweet and vicious, I dunno vicious. Sorry wrong. On the incorrect that was Tari. But you know. Yeah. That's Blackadder Blackadder, correct? Okay. Everybody's got to left starting with Molly. Thank you. Thank you. That's thing was gonna kill me. Well, what do you expect out alone in this neighborhood half a mind to kill you, myself, you half wit what? I mean. Honestly, what kind of Rita was? He is like that. In Galle, take two steps break. I was trying to get home. More on and on the way for stranger stranger was county. Don't get enough. Add. All right. So good clues air. We got that accent. Oh, we also have a position on the timeline where people would say retard on TV. So there you go. Yeah. I don't know if I know what that is. Something British something British something some buddy British on the show, but not something from Britain. That was spike on angels like on kindle. Spike said that on Edel. Surprising. Yeah. Different time way back a few years ago. We also already knew that was bad. Then maybe probably spike was bad. Yeah. He's a bad boy finished, he lost everything. And I know this. There's just tell you insane. Say take this junk. Longed tramp and get out of my home. Dynasty. Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, that's probably Alexis Carrington. Correct. Nice poll two points to Sarah, d bunting. As much as I'd love to stay here. Sweating with the old days. I'm getting a little woozy from the Bouzis seeping from your enlarge four. Honey, not enlarged. They're just over that hair-color. Will and grace and that is Aaron Aaron correct two points. Okay. Everybody has one question left. So let's get the scores here near the end. Okay. Molly has five Sarah has I have eleven. Okay. Here we go. Everybody's last question. Komen at just starting with Molly, are you go. Okay. Your basic spells are usually only about fifty fifty. Oh, yeah. So your face. Spells going charmed again. So close doesn't creek no further away. Now that was willow from Buffy. Again. You're getting all the Weeden. Joe's far Tony s picky. To Tara your last clip here. Nandy one of I want to congratulate you take your hands. Congratulations. You've been named the world's biggest cockroach this award is given in recognition of your unparalleled lack of decency and humanity. Pravo you're gonna die friendless at alone. I don't know. Steel steel that's for on Mars on Mars. All that makes it very interesting within one point, correct? Right. Here's the last question. One point two tie two points for the late game steel, very interesting. Here we go. Here's your flip Sarah d. I'm gonna go out on a limb. Here you've never been employee of the month have right? But if I were you I wouldn't be going on any limbs. Do you like to hear that clip? Again, this very important and game clip. I I would like to hear that clip. Again, if I may. I'm gonna go out on a limb. Here you've never been employee of the month have right? But if I were you I wouldn't be going out on any limbs. Is it married with children? His name for the win. Is that Mr. L Bundy? You are correct. Once again Sarah teeing with the late game victory. Well done, and that's how you use your steel mills. Thank you, Mr. L Bundy said no one. All right, everybody that is it for another episode of extra great. We joined documentary now for the third season of ever lasting bliss before travelling the astral plane, the dial with stops at the giant beasts that is the global economy naked into frayed sneaky, Pete's and miracle worker the proofing was in the pudding for erica's cannon recipe for great British bake off. We crowned winners and losers the week, and Sarah was the winner of this week's insulting gametime. Remember sitting? I am David t Cole and behalf of tar area. Beware of soggy bottoms. Sarah, d bunting somebody beefed over here. And Molly Lambert. Make your buns. Be good. Nailed it. Thanks, see next next. Who's package is this something from overnight. It's emergency providers. Twice now. Five five five.
Evil Was Waiting
"He wasn't my biological gerald for my heart. Get dull it to her. I love that boy this. It's not fair that he was taken for ms children or permits family. Jesse fell for events a man in uniform holding the fort during his long deployments. My hat goes off to all military wives. It's not easy. It's not she was a good mom tom. She loved the kids reunited. At last. They celebrated then on the drive home every car. They're stranded convince tells his wife he's going to check on to how he was laying there with what appear to be several gunshot wounds to the head her husband a father of five day. No one could understand it the type of person that he was. I don't think he ever had an enemy or did. He said we me that there was another person needed to be looked at a winding investigation. Leading deep into the dark sounds like a love triangle. We will terrific with like why are you kidding me. I'm lester holt and this is dateline. Here's andrea canning with evil was weighed. <music> hopkinsville kentucky cornfields picket fences and patriotism just to the south is fort campbell home to more than thirteen thousand army soldiers and their families after facing danger all over the world soldiers return to a collective sigh i of relief after all bad things aren't supposed to happen here but when one young sergeant returned from a tour in afghanistan he had no idea the enemy would be much closer to home gonna see if some guy needed multiple gunshots to his face and he had only been back from fighting in the war of such a short period of time delays tragic my heart doc surgeon vincent goslin junior a twenty eight year old father of five had served served in the army for seven years as a quartermaster and mechanic did vince ever express to you what it meant to him to serve his country he absolutely we loved it. Tim hamilton is vince cousin but as he explains it they were much more than that where you kind of like a big brother events with him it was. I don't know how we had bond. He had an outgoing personality hit as crazy little grin. You always knew what he was doing. Something mysterious tvs and tim recalls the mischief. He invents got into growing up in a small michigan town called cadillac. Go play in the creeks. Go efficient. We actually built a raft out of barrels of during the water and tied sticks to and never floated sounds like huckleberry finn but vince is childhood story wasn't always so adila ic. Vinci's mom laughed right at eight months old so he was raised with this dead. I think his dad was married. Six times it so that was a little tough on him. Janet madison s and considered herself insists surrogate mom. She says growing up. He spent a lot of time at her house. Her son was his best friend. He was just. It's like one of the other boys he's he was always there. We they did everything together. It seems like youtube had quite a connection events. What was that all about. I think a lot a bit was. I never judged him thence. Was you know he was the purest tattoo kid the droopy pants the spy tear the you know and i just treated him just like me and you and then one day he came to her with some life changing news was he scared finding out he was going to be a dad. You probably was scared but he was afraid that i would be mad at him. In the vince had two sons from two relationships by the time he was eighteen but janet says you'll never saw them as blessings how was vince has as a dad. He was awesome. He changed that diaper. He cleanup that puke and he he he didn't care his kids. Were his world <music>. Then someone else entered his world a hometown girl named jesse home vince love jesse unconditional and you could see it. He was happy he loved her and janet says he started to settle down moved in with jesse's family and quickly bonded with her dad of vietnam vet what he was the one who suggested the military might be a good way for vince to get on the straight a narrow so vince joined the army in two thousand five. He was twenty one years old. This is a boy who's gone from baggy pants and spiky hair too now. He's going to have the military cut and the uniform <hes> i mean that's a that's a one eighty three myths. That is a one eighty hits what he needed. You must have been really proud of him for making that stop. I was always proud of him. I'm so proud of with vinci's career heading in the right direction. He took another big step and pop. The question <music> jesse said yes. There is a connection between them to that. They loved each other to death. You know they would argue. I think they actually ed just argue just so they could make up. Some people say that's the best part this after the wedding kids soon followed for the happy couple two girls and the boy as a surgeon in the army then spent a lot of time overseas so it was up to jesse to handle the home front and take care of the kids on her own. It's not easy heaven a husband who's away. It takes someone special to be able to endure that and get through that. Tim says somehow somehow jesse. Invents made it work when we'd see him jesse in them as a family. They looked like a great family. By two thousand twelve vincent jesse esi had been married for six years despite some bumps. Tim thought life was good for vincent his family but shortly after returning from afghanistan vince his second tour were there. Tim got an unsettling call from him. The son of his voice was if something happens. I want you to know what's going on but he wouldn't tell me a few days later on february third vincent jesse went out to dinner to celebrate his safe return at a place called charlie's or lease he started driving home back to the base then turned off the main drag onto this dark and winding road the delio road where evil title was waiting when we come back a wife's harrowing tale the hsun after another driver makes an alarming discovery a start tried yelling adam and see if he was awake alert something and it was a moon-less february night in hopkinsville kentucky around a._p._m. When a frantic call came into nine one one not one of correct needed how jesse goslin told the operator that her husband sergeant vincent goslin had been shot when he tried to help a motorist stranded branded on the side of the road jesse was hysterical elvis fan. I can understand what you're saying. You're going to go on down to me. She tried to calm down. Jesse told the operator after being shot vince came back to their car but was unable to get in because a man was pulling him back. <music> vehicle vehicle jesse says she drove away from the scene as her husband had instructed minutes later another nine. One one call came in died for my house <music>. This is the man who made the call. Ultra ferguson said he was getting ready to visit his cousin when he heard the gunshots living around here. We are a lot of gun shots so i didn't think nothing of it. I got my truck started to come down the road as soon as crests. The hill i saw trucks lights came on and he just bolted altered up. So what did you do when you when you saw this truck well i mean i went and turned around and as i came back around i made sure r._b._m.'s run ended up seeing his body there on the side of the road walter spotted a man lying face down in the dirt so i start tried yelling atom talking to see if he was awake alert something and i started looking for a phone that it had it on me so i had to end up zoo zoom back to the house call nine one christian county detective ed stokes race to the scene. We were just notified that there had been shooting on fidelia road and one male possibly deceased. Tell us what you see when you arrive here at the scene. The first thing i noticed was <hes> sorta gazans thousands body lane here in the gravel <hes> with a large amount of blood around the body. Could you tell if he had been shot. We found what appeared to be gunshot wounds to the head and showcases lane near the body inside crime scene backed up the thought that he was shot. You say he was shot in the head. God grant the face creek was personal is personal to me <hes> because that person that shot take him nine times wanted him dead well. Detective stokes work the crime scene about a quarter of a mile down the road deputies. Were talking to jesse. She was hysterical crying almost sometimes you couldn't even understand what she was saying. There's jesse on her knees collapsed on the side the road this was a wife who had clearly been through a traumatic situation. She had just watch her husband. Get shot multiple times. Yes <music>. Detectives took jesse back to the station to get her statement her stomach. It seems couldn't take the horror. She just witnessed by now. Christian county commonwealth's attorney lynn prior had been notified. What did you think when you heard that. A soldier from fort campbell has been gunned down. He's barely been home from his tour of duty. It heart <hes> we take could great pride in having fort campbell is part of our community fact that our soldiers protect us every day and we wanted to make sure that we got justice justice for him was jesse able to describe the person who shot her husband she initially described him as a black man and i believe wave that's pretty basically all the description she was being able to give jesse also described the killers car. It wasn't much for police to go on and and to make it even more difficult. The eyewitness walter ferguson had seen something different described the truck that you saw speeding off as he passed me. I could see that it was a white truck unless all the four by four on it but that's about as much as i could see so the witness had seen a white truck truck and jessie said she saw a reddish brown car investigators had a lot to sort out a murdered soldier a distraught wife an unknown motive and a giant secret about to be discovered coming up jesse reveals a bombshell about bowed her husband people if the story check out that's pretty serious. If approve datelined continues <music> was this case a top priority. You have an american soldier gunned down and a shooter on the loose. Every detective we had was working this case. Did you worry about the safety of others it. I it's always a thought through our mind is is a serial killer careers. We have no motive yet so yes. It was very important back at the christian county sheriff's department twenty five year old jesse goslin continued to speak to detectives actives. She was emotionally and physically distraught mar. She kept asking about her husband. Jesse still hadn't been told if he he was dead or alive. You <music> finally the detective came back and broke the news about out vince wells. The tragic news of inches murder spread fast throughout the base and to family members janet vince vince is surrogate mother got a call from jesse's mom and she foot china. It's been an excellent benson's ventura. I was devastated. I was like what what do you mean. He's been shot vinci's cousin. Tim immediately left his home in virginia and traveled to kentucky still in disbelief. How can they survive two times times in afghanistan. Come home to show by some worthless thug that didn't even know you must've felt also horrible for jesse and for the kids absolutely i must have called or at least fifty times trying to figure out what's going on and and be there for her and the kids by now jesse had left the christian county sheriff's departments and headed home. She's picked about friends. I came back to her house. Just one fort campbell the day after the murder local police and agents from fort campbell were canvassing the goslings neighborhood. This is now a mix of army investigators. Gators and local investigators. They knocked on the door of k. and william rae the couple who live next door to the goslings. What they had to say was so compelling. They asked them to immediately. Come in for an interview. He said he had some information about something. That misgovernment told you some some trouble. <unk> somehow got involved with a drug least twenty guys love math and got jumped and stole away from the guy's supposed after him for the month. The raise explained to the investigators jesse had told them about the drug dealers weeks before the murder. She seem worried at all about going on in your house ever since then scare. She's her life an soldiers who these people were very few board from word about that later that day detective stoke says has k. ray convinced jesse. She should talk to military investigators. Tell them what she told. Local police it turned out to be a fateful decision just does he gets in with the the friend and they go to seattle headquarters with k ray sitting next to her for support jesse gave a detailed held explanation about why she turned down that deserted road. She said as they were driving home. She was at the wheel and she started to feel sick. Then suggested they pullover turned out i wrote he told me to drive until walk. She said that's when they saw the vehicle with the hood up and vince got out to help not long after she heard gunshots. Maybe three popping so the edges take it. It was going. She described a chaotic scene with a random motorist but then investigators asked her about vinci's involvement with those drug dealers suggesting perhaps that wasn't so random after all jesse told told them what she knew arch of mother he said the death she heap will check into his truck usage. If we could find anything out from friends means family <hes> he was using or even dealing drugs if the story checks out i mean that's pretty serious if we can prove that you while jesse she did her best to give the investigators leads police working the case in the field got a new lead of their own and it sent them in a very different direction coming up vince is killer threaten jesse to she was getting text messages from this man that's what she indicated yes and and that he would kill her and her children if she didn't comply with what he was telling her today <music> hi it's katy tur wanna keep up with m._s._n._b._c. while you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented era of news text m._s._n._b._c. two six six eight six six to subscribe one day after the murder of sergeant vince goslin the investigation was unfolding fast in the field detectives were gathering evidence and talking to witnesses and at fort campbell the interview rooms were filling up hours you the head in one of those rooms jesse goslin asked jesse had given law enforcement of possible motive motive for her husband's murder. She said vince owed money to drug dealers a lot of money. Jolly prosecutor prior was getting regular phone updates about all the witness interviews but to her jesse's was the most important jesse gave police a key new detail. She said on the night of the murder. One of those drug dealers contacted her. You have to talk to you directly. She was getting text messages from this man. That's that's what she indicated. Yes and that he would do harm or kill her and her family her children if she didn't comply with what he was <unk> telling her to do that's when jesse admitted she didn't drive down fidelity arose because she was feeling sick the they told me to turn on the road turn on this road next in doing join. She said she felt she had no choice but to go through with what the man said even though she suspected something bad was about to happen dressy as jesse's this is interview on fort campbell headed into its second hour sheriff's detectives across town working on tracking down the truck seen leaving the murder scene figuring that they they could find the truck they would find the killer or river walter ferguson the witness who had described seeing a white colored four by. I four trucks speeding down the road gave police more distinctive descriptions about the vehicle were so so with our detectives quickly found neighbors told them they'd seen a truck just like that many times in the neighborhood. They searched d._m._v. records and found the truck. It was registered to a former soldier who had lived on base at fort campbell twenty-four-year-old jared long. Terry long was very much a person of interest at that point. He's not on base anymore. Now where is he. We didn't so detective stokes says lawn. Forcement immediately got busy trying to find him mm-hmm. We actually put a tent locate out all surrounding states and counties from here to colorado where he was from and in fact he was stopped by trooper in colorado. He must have really high tailed it out of kentucky to get to colorado that fast quick when he was pulled over was he driving a raised wait truck. He was a light grey. Dodge pickup truck was lifted with large tyres hand loud exhaust matching the description russian of our witness so you're thinking you might have your man here. Yes he might have thought he had his man but police decided the fact that jarrett's truck matched. The description of the eyewitness wasn't enough to arrest him. They stalled as long as they could. I think and ultimately had to let him go. That's potential evidence when striving away who knows what's in that truck what's on his clothes. I mean you've it's all it could all be destroyed that was all evidence potential official evidence that we wanted to get our hands on and had no ability to do so at that time that's tough very tough but detectives pressed on and while trying to figure out who jared long was and why he would want vince dead the uncovered new information about their main witness jesse coming up jesse's neighbors reveal that they too at seen jared struck outside jesse's house how often overlapped i deploy dateline continuous <music> at fort campbell jesse goslin was talking to a military terry investigator giving possible clues about her husband's killer. Meanwhile detective stokes and others from the christian county sheriff's department thought they were onto onto something he believed located the truck from the crime scene and knew the name of the driver jared long now they needed to know why he would be involved in vinci's murderer. Our units detectives along with the c. i. D. agents from fort campbell. Do they neighborhood canvas on post and what they he discovered was a bombshell neighbor said they'd seen jared's truck not just in the area but parked jesse's driveway. K ray live next door. I would see him driving the truck with her reagan's. I will to hug driving the truck and what she said next really got what the investigators attention how often on a weekly basis for just over two point two times as he looked deeper into this potential relationship between jared and jesse how serious was it from what we could gather other. They live together on base and if sergeant goslin came home for any reason then jerry long leave for a couple of days while he was here sure it was stunning. Stokes was now convinced. Jesse was not the devoted army wife. She seemed to be instead. She was at the center of the deadly. Love triangle both men in love with jesse kirk jesse in love with one man. I believe so to the detective evidence that jared and jesse were a couple was piling up like when police ran the place of the car jesse was driving. The night of the murder came came back to jesse goslin and jeered log. They owned a car together by now. Police had had enough jesse's shifting stories and confronted her with what they knew how his truck you know he told her they knew all all about her. Romantic relationship with jared jesse admitted she endured hung out together but continued to deny there was anything sexual between them should their friends friends and he stayed there on the couch. Jesse did admit she invents. We're going through a tough time but she claimed they were working. Things out always i'm not gonna walk not that person you you toss was and besides she said vince knew all about jared yet in the house but investigators didn't believe her more than three hours into jesse's interview after repeatedly denying she and jared had a romantic relationship sanchez. Sex jesse finally changed her story assurance. Uh he shot him non cons when investigators told prosecutor lin prior that jesse had admitted to having being a romantic relationship with jared. She knew this was a big moment. They were planning a life together could be a motive absolutely a motive because because who was in their way of being together for the rest of the lie her husband and jesse had another possible motive as a military wife she would receive a big payout from her husband's life insurance policy four hundred and fifty thousand dollars. She certainly could have benefited greatly from the death of her husband it before jesse's eight hour interview was over she had admitted to seeing jared the day before the murder tell town it and and but it wasn't the sex investigators were interested in jesse had one more story to tell she claimed that jared had talked to the drug dealers and if he roughed up vince vents somehow that would satisfy them then she said jarod told her her job would be throw shoulder a lot say straight but the prosecutor and detectives weren't buying it instead without realizing it jesse had finally given them what they needed. Why is there now enough to arrest her because she's admitted her her part in getting vincent to the location where he was ultimately killed in kentucky. Being an accomplice to murder is the same as actually committing the murder that grieving wife hysterical by the side of the road getting sick in front of police was charged with her husband's murder there your hair as for jared long because of jesse's admission that she endured had planned to harm vince police now had enough enough to arrest him to track down again this time near his home in colorado they did a film stock called him out. Go prone on the ground. I am pleased to meet cuffs worn on. They had a warrant to search his truck. This time colorado threes were able to obtain a search warrant for mr launch truck. They found a shell casing that ultimately was matched to the shell casings found at our murder scene and end. They swabbed the truck which eventually led to evidence that indicated a gunshot residue had been left in several places around his vehicle. It should take that silver colorado police brought jared and for questioning jesse. He didn't hesitate to talk about his romantic relationship with her. Take awhile back sometimes and we serve out the next thing i do and ah i knew she was married but he also admitted to being in kentucky. Keep on the day of the murder says he left before dark about five thirty. What he didn't know was jesse had already pointed the finger anger at him. She has spoken with detectives and she has told a about the plan that you guys have excuse when she puts her and bins and you and the witness puts you and your trump at the beginning plus out at this point. You're going to play at this. I want to say stop leave on lawyer. This is gone well but i'm capable sollozzo. They now had two suspects in custody and ask for that drug dealer story. Detective stoke says that was just a hoax. Jesse cooked up to throw off police and she told this story to several people including her neighbors the raise who unwittingly corroborated her story. Did you ever find any evidence announced that vince was an volved in some type of drug deal gone bad no that men were were out to get him and his family not not. We could find anything that with other than her story. Janet vinci's surrogate mom was horrified when she learned that jesse the woman who had seemed so good for vince was now implicated blockaded in his murder. How was devastated. I was like why is she rest. Did you think she was capable of killing. Never there's wars. Why wouldn't you just get a divorce. You give true even with jesse story and the evidence against jarrett. The case was far from closed. An unexpected twist was about to put the whole investigation into a tailspin dan. Did you worry that one or both of them could get away with murder coming up prosecutors face. A major setback. I was livid is their case about to collapse. I was devastated all over again. <music> prosecutor lin prior already felt she she had a solid case against gerald long and after his arrest police found even more evidence in his truck. There was one spot of blood the belong to vinson goslin colin on the backpack of jared long. This has bingo right here. This is more evidence enough had in most of the murder cases prosecuted. How do you explain the victim's blood blood on your backpack. When you're hundreds of miles away. You can't unless you're the person that killed him but prior new the case against jessie wasn't as airtight. It was very much a circumstantial case because there was no physical evidence implicating her. Did you worry that that wouldn't be enough to get a conviction somewhat somewhat. Yes jared long was not willing to give us anything to help out with regard to implicating jesse but we knew that it was her involvement that got jared to wear been sunless killed. How are you going to prove that with her own words but then entered defense attorney mark bryant he represented jared long and he had a plan that could benefit jesse to this strategy was to get jesse's interview with police thrown out and how would he do that. Ms goslin had told the local police department that she didn't wanna talk that she wanted a lawyer and so under the law you have to break up any questioning and they did and they sent her back home to fort campbell but you might remember after that her friend convinced jesse to go speak to the military police on bass. Jesse gosselin spend eight hours with the police after that very day. She said she wasn't gonna talk without lawyer. So it's just a different police. Agency bryant argued in front of a circuit judge and since jesse had already asked for a lawyer the military police should never have questioned her the judge agreed. He made a decision that that confession that she made implicating. Our client should be set aside beca- a law enforcement agency for the military police should have follow the same rules that the earlier earlier police department in christian county had followed during that day jesse goslin statement was thrown out the news hit vinci's family hard here in the news that pence was killed with horrible but what the justice system did was unfair when nate through that added court. I was devastated all over again when we thought that she was gonna walk away. We thought that they were going to get away with it but prosecutor. Peter prior wasn't going down without a fight. She filed a motion with the kentucky court of appeals jesse and jared meanwhile. We're out in about relatively free <music>. How did you feel about booth. Jesse jared being out on house arrest with with just ankle bracelets. I was livid argued to the best of mobility to the judge about why someone that was charged with such a heinous murder should be out on an ankle monitor. Her and none of the arguments that i made were convincing to the judge then everyone waited and waited four long years i went by before the appeals court finally reached a decision and sided with the prosecution. What's that moment like when you get word that it's been overturned and the statement we'll be allowed us very much relieved prior considered her options and concluded that of the two jared deserve the harshest punishment jared long was the one who pulled the trigger on tom's jared long was the one who took the life of vincent goslin so we wanted to make sure he received the maximum punishment mishmash that he could for this crime to do that. The prosecutor needed not only jesse's videotaped statement. She needed jesse to tell a jury the whole story she and jared plan to murder vents. We needed her testimony about the reasons why they planned to kill vincent sent and the way that they planned it out so the prosecutor made an offer. If jesse pleaded guilty to complicity to murder and would testify against this jared she would recommend a sentence of twenty two and a half years behind bars. She agreed to this plea deal she did after our long talks and very heated discussions so now with time served the woman who played the victim betrayed her husband and lover lover could be set free in a little more than twelve years. Some people think the sentences too light. I don't disagree with that that the sentence was too alight but after discussions with law enforcement with family members we determined that it was worth it to have have her to be able to say in her own words what happened and why a different prosecutor then took over the case against jared long the commonwealth attorney mark blankenship and as he looked over the case came to a different conclusion about who was most responsible. I've felt that the mastermind of the crime was jesse. She didn't pull the trigger but <hes> without her. This doesn't happen what bothered me was at the bar. Got set at twenty two years for the mastermind of the cra so blankenship did what he thought he had to to be fair and offered jared deal l. to thirty years in prison for pleading guilty to first degree murder jared agreed jared at times sort of being portrayed as this kind of victim a little bit of jesse that she was the mastermind but vince was shot nine times in the head and the face on i mean you cannot discount that no for anything. Oh it bothers me. He should have gotten more than thirty years. Tim vince his cousin was torn about jared's punishment jesse. She should have got more time than when he did because she manipulated him. Is that the jesse. You knew this master manipulator obviously she must have been manipulated us because as i would've never pegged her. I believe that she should do life as for janet the woman who stepped in as vince vinson's mother it's hard for her to describe the pain she feels. She watched her surrogate son. Go from a tough kit to a tough soldier. He became a good an honorable man. Only have it all needlessly taken away. He wasn't my biological child by hurt. You can't sell l. Let iheart. I loved that boy and it's not fair that he was taken from his children or permits family so much potential he had gone so far and that's all for now. I'm lester holt. Thanks for joining us. Hey it's chris as from m._s._n._b._c. Every day i come to the office and we make a television show every day. I think to myself they're so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called. Why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see lee out every day. They're driven by big ideas each week. I sit down with a person uniquely suited to explain why this is happening new episodes of wise this happening every tuesday. Listen for free wherever you get your podcasts.
221: A Million Little Things: This Is (-n't For) Us
"Doc can't. I need this to not be as horrible as it is. This is the extra hungry podcast episode, two hundred twenty one for the week of August. First two thousand. I am unlucky park office car owner, David goal. I'm here with disgruntled Bruins fan, sever, debugging I read try to watch the hockey shifty assistant, tar area? No. Why is everybody asking me that? And that date who sows up in your life? One day becomes heavily involved in the most intimate parts for no discernible reason chaplain John wouldn't have wanted this. Wins for the longest intro ever on the podcast. So congratulations on. Before we get into the show, I have a little bit of site business. We are doing what is one of my least favorite things in the universe and that is moving our are as SP for the podcast. Now, what does that mean for you? Listener, hopefully nothing in theory, everything should redirect to its new home, but in theory that hardly ever works. And this is the prehistoric part of a podcast machine is the RSS feed and. If you didn't see it on the news, basically our ad provider for the podcast gone half belly up or something. I don't know anyways, so we're exiting that whole thing and putting it back on her own site so that this this soon will be able to access extra hot great at extra hot, great dot com. If sometime the next month or so, when this switch actually happens, you discover I'm not getting new episodes of the podcast what the f. then just go to extra hot great dot com and get the new info there. Nothing you really have to do about it right now, but I'm just giving you fair warning before it might happen because that's also the trick of all this thing. So that people know before I'll goes tits up. That's what you're gonna. Do. Problem, go to extra hot, great dot com. Fix problem. Just, you know, find us on social or whatever and ask what, what the hell and we'll give you directions there but does heads up that things may get wonky, but hopefully they won't. Welcome back to extra hot. Great, and welcome back to extra hut. Great. Our guest Jeb blonde. Hello. Today we are talking about a show and I'm just going to open our conversation by reading. If I may Jeb a DM that I received from you, which is as follows a million little things looks like fucking dog shit. Let's two words in all caps. Now we have all watched it. David. I confess we got the, we got screeners for the first three episodes. David. I watched the first ones in more like the first one singular and we're like that. That'll do. We're got it. We did not proceed, but Jeb let's start with you since you're the reason we're talking about it today because I had to had to get more had to find out whether the show lived down to your expectations now that you've seen it is a million little things fucking I'm sorry to interrupt before stars, but we do have a incoming call from Ron Livingston. Let's take. Something I have to get to. So I have exactly five more minutes to spend on this now. Okay. All right. Thank you. Talk to. No, it's not. I mean, I can see how people it is mockingly sentimental and all the right ways. And it speaks to know. You know, the demographic that's been catered to MTV for since time immemorial. And I think there's probably going to be a lot of stuff that they'll recognize about themselves in it and be affected by. I watched all three episodes that you sent. I thought, yeah, I was like, well, let's see. I don't wanna ding it just for the pilot. I wanna see if they dig it out. And I to me, they repeated some of the same sins of the pilot, and it seemed like, well, they're just going to lean into that. I'm good. I think there was another sent you to, which was like every decade has a handful of these where it's just some familial or extended comradeship sort of on Sombor casts at that just meant to make you feel miserable between having like these really like kind of hallmark is wins like, oh, it's finally graduated. And none of them. Another thing I was saying one of those, I remember everybody was sort of like thrilled by thirty something in the eighties and like how real it was, and it was like an approximation of being a coastal yuppie as envisioned by somebody who lived in Dayton, brick, you know, it was very much like catering to this like, well, this sort of crowd that was like, what is kiesha? That's how it's pronounced. And what I've been hearing about this new drink called Chardonnay and. Like you could, wow. If you lived on the coast who is kind of a joke, it's like, okay, well, this is five years ago. If you're reading a trend piece in the chronicle. All right. But otherwise, it's just kinda like these people aren't real in. Like everybody in this. Everybody in a million little things is somebody who goes to Edward Jones to make sense of investing right. They're not real to me like we made a big deal thirty years ago. The Simpsons was about a working class family and still this is the sort of on samba that we get somebody who's never gonna be worried that they're gonna lose their healthcare lay. I can't. That's not reality to me and it's not sympathetic, and I can't be worried about their travails when it's like, how are we going to get everybody together as a group to go to Hawaii, which doesn't happen in the third episode in case, you're wondering, but, okay. Well, let's let's talk a little. Let's just set up the plot, which is. It is very big, chill thirty, something this is us ish. But the kicking off event is in similar to the big chill a guy commit suicide. The Ron Livingston guy whose name is John or Jonathan in the pilot. They spell it both j. o. n. and j. o. h. n. care very careful there. This was not the screener. This was the version so they didn't fix it. But anyway, he he finishes up business call and jumps off the balcony outside his office. And all of his dearest friends don't know why. So his three dearest friends are guys that he was once trapped in an elevator with, do they ever in the first three episodes in episode, two or three? Explain like where that elevator was because that was a piece of information I personally wanted. I was hoping that was like the county court building and they were all going to pay like some kind of bail. No, no, it's not. It's nothing. It's just like they're in a, they're in an elevator. And then he's like, you know what? I'm gonna do. I'm gonna buy all season tick. To the Bruins. Yes. So the other three guys are Romany malko from weeds, David gently-used from grim, but really from road rules and James, James roadway from psych and their storylines are respectively. Romany Malka was about to kill himself. He literally has a mouthful of pills when he gets the call that John has killed himself. So then he changes his mind and I thought the reveal by the end of the episode is going to be. He's the whole thing is like, well, he wants to make a movie, but he makes commercials because it pays so well, he feels like a sell out whatever I was waiting for there to be real reveal that like he's actually broke. But now he's just said, which that that doesn't happen. Of course it does, but that's his thing. Who's the second guy. David gentlemanly is unhappy in his marriage. And then by the end of the episode we find out he's also having an affair with the dead guy's wife. And James roadway is an extremely defensive male breast cancer patient. And he as Jeb eluded to in the in his intro, has a meet cute with a woman in his support group who turns out to be a clinical psychologist. So that's basically it, Sarah, how would you would you agree or not agree that the fucking dog shit description or should stand. It doesn't even sink to the level of fucking dog. Shit though. There's like fucking in the I. I got through to whole episodes. The second one was mostly like a day or two myself to see how long I could go without clicking over to check Twitter. Seventeen seconds was the outer. This is just like, I don't know why ABC doesn't know how to do this kind of thing away that I can tolerate, but they just don't. It's like this is us was run through the secrets and lies Reiter. They have perfectly good cast. But again, I don't believe these people even have genitals, much less would be boning, breast cancer support group and BT dubs her cancers back and she's in denial. And she left behind some guy who follows her to Boston, which this is the least Boston Boston that ever Boston on TV. And she informs this person. I didn't leave you. I left old me like was there like a radar Chong challenge in the writer's room to get some of this garbage like her whole speech about JFK junior losing the horizon is like, I mean, I think this is like, has the same like wave forms as good writing. So if you're not totally paying attention, you might not notice that. It's like the. Edward Jones was actually an excellent way to put it, but it's like the, it's like the interior design catalog version of people. And it's like someone standing around in a CB to catalog. Like I have problems like that whole sequence. The infuriated notes took. When Rome has a mouthful of pills in switching back and forth between tap water and filtered water. Really, really. I thought that was a good touch though because like it's sort of like underline how he wasn't really committed to committing suicide, like it was. He was acting out like a role, oh, most of this is what you do with grief, and so he can't help, but unconsciously not wanna drink tap water. As soon as the news report says that the tap water is is deadly to you. Like the problem with the show is that that's elated all the time between those moments and like not so great goofy moments like there was this after the funeral, three other guys go to his office to pick up their Bruins tickets. 'cause you know, the wives are all like go, he would've wanted it so they do. And then they meet the secretary at the office and it literally is one line, oh my God, one line while while while Blom it goes on for a minute in between like. Like sixteen beats of this and you're like, what? The hell are they doing? What the hell's going on here? Like aghast it? Well, and there's just a lot of, you know, the secretary shows up at someone's house. She's like, I got his coffee, but I didn't know what to do with it felt wrong to throw it out like, okay, but then hold the fucking Cup, like there's some, there's some liquid in it. Some put some water that strikes me fucking crazy, especially in a show like this where the pacing is really slow. You don't feel like you're seeing anything the of seen before the fact that that charisma vacuum. Eddie is doing it with manic pixie dream widow or whatever that phrases French because she's obviously Frawley and chase that Blake perfect, French hair always looks great. Even though she didn't wash it for like ten days and just widowing around. Oh, and did we mention that the tween son needs to come out of the closet to someone because he does, and then he does now well, okay. It's just there's just like every single thing and none of the none of them is particularly compelling, like my no, when we find out that the the widow and the friend are doing it is like the, it's not. This wasn't the one thing that they needed to take off. It's that they need to take all these things off and then there's nothing they're like, I don't know. I could tell you why you should have been the. The first minute tells you everything about this show, and that is that the title card is in a basically the modern calligraphy style, which is kind of that loopy brushstrokes kind of thing that you see everywhere now, do you guys know what I'm talking about? Brush groped. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's the yoga mom of of fons and that kind of like when you see that, you know that somebody's not trying very hard, but they know what market they want to go after. And I think that's kind of like the show to a t. is basically like, oh, okay, so we've got this is us and our shows. This is. Well, so what I wasn't expecting is that whereas this is us has the flashbacks and now I guess the flash words soya understand. I don't still watch it, but. Whereas this thing go forward 'til like a future where there's like floating Carson shit like that. That'd be really funny if they did see floating. Oh, okay. Thank you, sir. Jetsons ones. The gimmick here is that John basically believed in fate and his whole thing, which he says, like a thousand times in this episode or possibly the same piece of video played over and over again is everything happens for a reason. And so I gather that the the thesis of the show is going to be everyone trying to find meaning for themselves in John suicide. So my question to you Jeb is, is this okay? Is is friends suicide therapy thing that is okay to make a show about and does the show that we have received? Earn this premise? I think yes and the no. I mean, I think you're absolutely fine trying to explore a meaning in life and confronting the void afterward through, like some mediating event happens for all of us. Maybe it's just turning forty or maybe it's the death of somebody near you or it's. Near-miss accident, but everybody has to confront that shock of mortality and then say, what do we gleaned from this? There's no gleaning here. I mean, this is just all surface telling them in structurally, everything is just like, is just hammering you with with people declaring overtly things to each other, and then appending their friends, proper name to it as if person forgot who the fuck they are. He's not wrong. Astor and that sort of mystery, I guess as to what Johnson tensions were and what he was hiding in the blue envelope of portend. Right Rutledge. Yeah. Well, the ledge part spoiler sorry in the running our way, if you're talking about. Two. Pretty good then. Yeah, gross. So yeah, I just don't. I don't think that that's anything except something that TV writers sometimes think they have to do like they can't just sit with the emotions and how actual people would try to. Carey, this kind of occurrence for themselves in their everyday lives. That's like, not. That's not enough. I think in order to sell a show like this, they have to. Imply that there was some like desperate house husbands secret that was happening and I just don't. I don't think it's necessary and I find it annoying like the little sort of. Blobs of information that you get carefully timed to keep you watching. And I just don't. I don't find these people real enough to to care about whatever mystery was haunting. The star of office space. Are you telling me that the guy who brings his day one girlfriend to or funeral and then leaves her with every all the wives at the funeral. Later on to commiserate and go on restaurant, hunt at night, isn't realistic or compelling. Also they drove drunk to get there to the restaurant that was barred for her by her like spends friend, I just, yeah, that's what I'm telling you. Dave, not realistic league who involves themselves in their friends lives to this degree. I mean, nobody's that interesting that you need to see him more than once a week. I deliberately decline invitations because I haven't done anything we're talking about right? Like these these guys. I mean, it would be, I think the more plausible if it were a women's group text or something, but it's these these these Bros. who are like, you know, just doing the physical equivalent, which I guess this is why they have to be like people who go to Edward Jones for investing check his like people with a real job. Just can't pick up and drive cross town and bang on your door and know that your home and not at work, but like they're doing the the equivalent of like texting like, hey, babe, your your friends with the Bruins season. Tickets I haven't heard from you since our wake-up techs. Are you eating your dietetic launch like. Why? I mean, there's there's no, and there had they haven't supplied the event that would explain why these people are so clawing Lee codependent. Yeah, that's why I wanted to know what the what the elevator, what was the where they were all going that they were trapped in this elevator at the same time dating gang bang occur before the iphone was turned onto record. This momentous Fant I'm guessing. No. Yeah, yeah. I am. Yes. I think the list of like compelling stories about male friendships with more than two guys, like the list is stand by me and list like anytime I honestly, I cannot think of one other example in art where I buy it for exactly the reason that Jeb says, like, I mean, even female friendships with more than two friends are like, I guess, but that I feel is very rare to the sex and the city model of, let's go to. Let's see each other multiple times this week like, no, no, like people are busy. They have shit to do particularly after one of them as a kid. No, but then like this, the way they relate to each other, it's just so you know, it goes back to the tone problem. Dave was talking about where it's just it's just all joking and the sincerity comes out of nowhere, and it doesn't actually feel sincere like this is just it's very blah, like it's jabots saying last night on like he gets why people will like it and fair enough. I guess I do too, but. Blad wise, you have concent- simmer as an unnamed funeral guest in the lake, the first episode and then nothing. I think she was supposed to be the red herring affair person, but or confuse you between her and Frenchy French Incan cause nor she lost a bed. I don't know. I think it's that if I made to capture on this and I think lease this show should have been called men of a certain beige. Plus. It is time to go around the dial. First off is with Tara high. I watched the season eleven premiere of Murphy, Brown Murphy Brown is back in Murphy Brown form. It's it's not good. It's it's very unnecessary and it's it starts out with a rip off to the premiere of the good fight with Murphy waking up on the couch and watching with horror as Donald Trump is declared president await, I guess the good fight. It was the inauguration, but still same thing. So some things have changed daily is now the sister of Phil running fills bar because I guess that guy died. Corky has been working on some new show and she just got fired. Frank is teaching journalism and Murphy were supposed to think is retired. Although we here in the first clip that she may not be entirely happily retired, Dave lease like one look, I get it. It's hard being on the sidelines, especially now with everybody, screaming, fake news, come on Murph. You miss being on the air little. Yeah, once in a while. Like when he instituted the first Muslim ban. And then when he instituted the second Muslim, and then when he instituted third. I miss it a auditing. What is the like? This is typical an emblematic of how tone deaf. This thing is where it's almost as bad as the people who treat politics is like an interesting sports game where it's like, who's the winner who gains loses who's who's moving the ball this week with whatever horrible policy decisions made fiddling while society burns? Yes, but this is like even worse because it's like I need to go back to work because only I can restore the integrity of journalism and it's because this is such a great story to cover. It's like this is like another version of the like, oh, Trump's going to be great for comedy, like evidently, no, not true. So the other thing has changed now that the baby that Dan Quayle was so mad at MIT Murphy Brown for having is grown up and he's also a journalist, he's played by Jake McDormand who was the lead in the TV version of limitless. So speaking of men of a certain beige, but he, he has been covering the election and. He's just gotten a new job in DC at the wolf network, like just call it Fox News. We're clearly living in the world. We can recognize so dumb and lazy. He and he's going to be anchoring a morning show, and this is why even though it sounds like he is not a conservative himself, he is taken this job, please play clip to past two years. I've been covering the campaign in every single state. I've met a lot of people. Good people who care about this country know people who drive pickup trucks and have kids in the military and saying they're coupons and go to church on Sunday. It is Irving voice. They've got one, it's orange in the Oval Office and his Facebook friends with Boeton. I left the clapped her on that for obvious reasons, but two things about that clip one that was obviously originally a gay joke about Trump and Putin that was rewritten at the last possible second and be I'm just going to go ahead and say, I think Diane English. The creator of the show might be slightly out of touch because why was that a condescending description of the people that she thinks are on the opposite side of politics from her. Factually wrong, like his Trump supporters in the primary had the highest median income of any Republican primary supporters egg xactly, but just in case you weren't sure exactly what the where the his show is coming from. He's going to be anchoring it from places like a bowling alley a morning show at a bowling alley and the next day, a waffle house, which at least makes sense. But like it's so dumb. We fortunately don't see any of his news broadcasts in the first episode. And the other joke is that the two of them are on opposite each other. So what happens is Murphy goes on the air starts like a Twitter war with Trump in real time while they're broadcasting. They use a real thing that happened, which was Candace, Bergen going on a date with Donald Trump when they were in college. Apparently, that's the joke, and there's also a cameo from fucking Hillary Clinton playing an applicant to be Murphy, Brown secretary about which the less said the better. There's also a side aside slam Roseanne. Secretary Clinton is its second was Secretario experience. They ask? Yes, she was the secretary at a large organization. She says, well. Yeah, it's not good or funny or good. Like it's it's really bad. Don't watch the show. It should go away. It's it's like it was fine at its time, but like we we can do better and we have and should do. I su- my only watched it. Tonight, the show when it was first on and I do want this and don't think it will be good and averted my eyes politely until it's taken out behind the network headquarters and shot. Yeah, I mean, Jeb it's it might be worth watching like as a Curio of its time, but like not entertaining or or well-conceived that in that Muslim ban joke seems to like so much political jokes now, which is like the, it's the rapid fire version of Chris Farley going. Remember that Simon Yantra tried to ban Muslims. That's a reference. Like, why are we just signifying that we've learned at at one point to each other? That's the joke that we know that that's not a punchline that's a, that's a citation. Yeah. Earlier early in the episode scripting by re tweet. Exactly. I mean, literally, it is like the reason they all get together at fills in the beginning of the episode is that they're all just coming straight from a protest, March with pink pussy hats, of course. And and tines daily as Phil sister whose name I didn't write down because who cares says notes that protest marches are the new eggs Benedict. So it's like literally that sign that went viral where it's like if Hillary one, we'd all be a brunch right now, like none of this is helping anyone do anything like it's just so back patting stupid and like angry with drink a lot of Chardonnay. Like that's, I think a Hillary Clinton joke that she made at one point that the election like it's bad. Don't watch it. If how ever you do have a hankering to watch one of the stars of the feature film book club in a TV. Effort. I would recommend instead Jane Fonda in five acts on HBO watched it last night. It's great. It's by Susan lacy who also made the recent HBO documentary about Steven Spielberg, which was really good as well. It's, it's interestingly put together, it's not chronological. It's sort of covers her life as the site suggests in five different chunks and jumps around a bit between like her marriages and her acting career and her relationship with her father and her activism. And it's really fascinating and well done, and she cooperated the subject Fonda cooperated with it. So there's lots of very timely interviews with her, and you'll be amazed to see how much Ted Turner has aged relative to her because they show her visiting him at his ranch in Montana. And he's like a shambling old man, it's kind of shocking, but the movie's really good. You should watch that instead. And for my plug, I will mention that Bristol Palin has joined the cast of teen mom. This is not a joke. It is true. She is a full cast member earning two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year per season to be on the show and is Sarah Palin and her first episode? Yes, she is. It aired as we're recording this last night. So I wrote about it on decider, and you can find a link to that in the show notes. So Jeb forgot to watch TV. So we're going to say, no, I remembered something. It's not new. I have. I've just like, couldn't sleep. I did that thing that happens when he turned forty where I injured myself grievously by sleeping. Yeah. So like I couldn't. I couldn't go to bed and I finally broke down and watch the Ken burns prohibition documentary. I have a lot of like issues with Ken burns mainly because I studied history and then you go and watch like the civil war and it's just Shelby Foote sitting there just like making shit up like there's a lot of like there's a lot of stuff factually wrong with original civil war, and there's some good articles about it. Probably just Google it and kind of understand where I'm coming from. But I thought it was like it was well done and basically the same can burn style you used to. But especially for now, like there's a lot of stuff that was evocative of our current situation prohibition, of course, being driven by in part like southern racism, the idea that access to alcohol is what made. Blacks, Jim crow, into hulking beasts who could not be stopped all maybe like Michael Brown and Ferguson, and then also anti-catholic anti-immigrant sentiment anti Irish anti Italian anti eastern European anti-catholic general. If it and and basically the anti temperance movement, the figurehead of that was very much kind of a Wayne, LaPierre figure just a a prude marshalling. Ethnic hatred mistrust to to hammer home, like his particular vision of what liberty should be. So if you have a lot of problems with the present day, and I can't imagine why you would. You could watch that. Maybe some of it echoed it's good. Learn something might not nice show. That's on the PBS app. It's on Netflix too, so nice. And what do you have to plug their? Right. So for my plug again, please check out my podcast which I do with David Roth of deadspin. It's called David. Jeb aren't mean in which we very much try to to Hugh to that that mission of not being mean, although our guests can break that rule. We watch Paul Mark. Yeah, I'm looking at you too. Next week. Yes, you're coming on next week to do. We're going to watch the wedding March two for more Jack Wagner. Goodness. But yeah, that's what we do. We watch hallmark original movies because they're not about the real world. They're not about prohibition and elimination in native ISM. They're not about Murphy Brown taking zingers at the orange meringue. It's it's very much about extremely gentle people who are like, I'm terrified of skiing. I'm in love with you now. They also quit, but then they get back together and they say levels? Yes, insane quitters in Laura if some Christmas songs. Yep. Link that in the show notes as well. All right. Sara, I am going to renew my not non crack potty like platform. Let's say that behind the music needs to be revived. I got sucked into like four of them in a row on YouTube. There are couple of channels that have liked the entire library. I will link one of them in the show notes. The formula is so affective, the fact that it's so predictable that it's like, okay, before the first commercial break, you have the overview and they're like cute kid photos, rapid rise to fame and then before the second commercially of excess at the top and seeds of dizzying fall and then dizzying fall, sometimes more dizzying falling. And then sometimes it does other times semi said, comeback, see the David Cassidy episode, which is, I mean, so grim. Knowing exactly what's coming. And we still like rewatch these regularly. Back in the day. It does nothing to sap it of its quote power that Redondo lists, fashions the and scanning of the photos. I love it. I get that the internet has basically replaced this kind of programming with itself. I get that reels, which is a channel that does end disea- and other high on the dial channels of that sort Heff their own niche alternatives because I who should be thrown on a compost heap for my taste and television half watched them. All the autopsy of the last days of the autopsy era. Harra. Well, camman it was for work wasn't for work just nosey. There is a place in this world for what we call hotel TV around here. This is the nonfiction programming. Jim in the hotel TV crown. I feel and I just think they should bring it back for a new era of his watching the Leif Garrett one today. Why was refreshed once again that it's pronounced Leif and he's reuniting with this guy whom he paralyzed driving drunk and high twenty years before that. And that episode aired twenty years ago. So there's a whole nother league generation have of pop music, fuck ups, like, where's? Where's the Britney Spears sewed come on because that's, I mean, that's a dizzying fall. And then semi said, come back to Vegas. Look, I'd watch it making it is alien banks alone. Yeah, come on anyway. I am not a crackpot and. Behind the music. It's great and you can find a link to them in our show notes and just the title card of the hall and old swan will bring you joy. Daryl hall's hair in the seventies is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy at least occasionally. For my plug in related news. I have another podcast in which I talk about pop music with Mark Blankenship strangely enough. This podcast is called barking Sarah talk about songs and in this week's episode, which as you're listening to this, we'll drop tomorrow. It is once again, death is not an option song dome in which Barkan I choose which of the following early nineties hits. We will allow to regain life is a highway by order of Manitoba honoree, Tom Cochran or John cicadas just another day, which just to be clear. It's not the video in which Sakata is suffering. Great, emotional torment with an unbuttoned shirt in carport in the desert. But rather the video in which the cut is suffering. Great, emotional torment with an unbuttoned shirt under a south beach palm tree. Okay. Listen and find out which survives Marcus highway talks. Is it? It is. You may remember the game time by Carlin, rediscovered love, hate and all that relationship crap. She ordered me to watch a stand up special on Netflix, the Gad. El malay- that the I think that's right American dream and this guy is from France. So I think that's why I was watching it as our French friend, yes. Has anybody else heard of this guy or watched his Senate specials? I have heard of him. I have not watched his specials. I understand he is. He has been canceled previously because he did some homophobic Stefo great earlier news, career antibiotic. Well. Yeah, I seems like he's like a big celebrity in France, and he did that thing, whereas like, well, now I need to conquer America because breezes Jerry Lewis. So he's one of those guys. And basically he is his comedies vary Seinfeld observational, but the fatal flaw is that his observational comedy is all stuff that his very foreign to him, but very mundane to the rest of us that live in his new home of North America. So when he makes survey Sion's about airports and things of that ilk, you're like, okay, yeah, yeah, we all know that airport suck, and he doesn't really have anything particularly Woody or amazing to say about that stuff. The only time this comedy special really sort of hit stride is when he's talking about just weird language barriers and like how the English language use of past tense is incredibly hot. Breakthrough, which when you think about it for a moment, it is, you can have like so many past tense stacked on top of each other in a sentence and is just like amazing that English as a language actually survived because it's such a mishmash of everything else that is surprising that anybody could actually learn it at the end of the show is actually, he actually does old man versus internet stuff jokes for like ten, no, all these Modi's days and blah, blah, blah. Understand that he's very big and France believe he's not very big in America. I believe he probably won't be very big in America because I don't think stuff really plays you're somebody mentioned clap shirt earlier. There's a lot of clap. Scher like, okay, we'll clap for that rich guy. Immigrant experience you just had at the airport. I last it was kind of dull and. Unaware, you know, like somebody knee, he needed a good American comedy friend to tell him what to cut and what to keep. And I don't think he he has that too. That friend yet. So not great. But I do want to say about these force innings. I know I said there's no rules beyond I'll have to be able to watch it online, but I have a new rule and that is don't make me watch more stand up specials. Not because I want to be because I'm aby and I don't wanna watch respectful. I don't find funny, but I think comedy specials are a bit like sports on TV. It's not really TV. It just happens to be on TV and talk about TV. So you know, I'll watch reality show, you know, I'd rather watch scripted show that's up to you, but I don't wanna watch something that's just on TV like you. I don't want to be forced to watch the news or sports or comedy specials, and that's I d Cooper programming. You really wouldn't watch that if they like actually found him. Watch it, but I don't wanna talk about it for my plug. I just wanted to say that I finished watching maniac just wanna plug. The return of the big hug from true detective makes an appearance in the back half of maniac, which was great. When detective season one came out and the big hug mug was featured immediately that that that that moment went and bought one super cheap on EBay. It was like three dollars on EBay because they're like from the seventies. And so I have one now. So my plug is anybody really wants to super famous mug for, like, let's say, fifty bucks. They can have it. Maniac. It is time for the cannon submitting this week Jeb. So so I picked the penultimate episode of the fourth season of house m d houses head and the easier one to pick probably would have been the penultimate episode of the first season three stories in which you kind of find out the back story of the irascible doctor house that has never fully been explained, and it's got a nice gut punch, but and that that sodas. Excellent. I know somebody already picked it. Maybe that was why I didn't go for it. But to me, this is like the absolute peak of the series. And what's interesting about it to me is like the way it's the peak of the series is the way it also outlines the like the steadfast decline afterward that like everything that made this great by like replication, repetitious, sort of what gradually undoes everything because it starts. Conceptualize everything sort of understood about Dr house and his crew to this point. And it asked some tough questions, and then it basically spent the next four years running away from the answers. Anyway, as for the actual story, we open up with doctor house in what is very plainly strip club. He's foggy, he smells alcohol and his breath, and he's trying to figure out how he got there. David could play the first clip. Say five words. Forwards. Accepted diagnostic test, global memory. Impairment is five random mortars UK. I'm trying to find that out five. Very. Called. Keet rhino. Either. Leading. Someone else's blood. See. About it's all over. Concussion. Trick rain in Asia. Keys phone at the Monde. No, you haven't already gave me a twenty. Earn it. Going to die. So something symptom. So this is ultimately an extremely heavy episode. Probably the heaviest of the series with the exception of the really tedious houses in recovery with lin-manuel. Maranda was playing like a dope who've wraps pretty much identify to Hamilton. You guys can explain that one to me because I still don't get it, but it vis this way you kick off with the sense. Okay. Somebody's going to die. He has to do something about it, but the show immediately trivializes it on the way to this big kind of gut punch reveal. So you're playing with the tropes of house. He's missing throw piece slightly misogynistic, sometimes heavily misogynistic, and then winks his way out of it. But you're, you're prepared to not really deal with the stakes. It's going to be an average mystery. And so when he walks out of this club, he sees this this bus crash and you realize this is the help that he went to seek after emerging from a bus crash, which then he, he because he's convinced that somebody was hurt, he has to reconstruct and so is his associates and friends wind up, grilling them, and helping them with with stimulus winds up going to be put into medical hypnosis, Dave, that's clip number two. Budget get so drunk at five in the afternoon alone. I need a reason. Beer brand beer when he's hypnotized, he li- he, I could be mistaken. I can't actually lie under hypnosis. Is he lying? Not? What are you running away from when I'm drinking without you? What am I running away from on those imponderables loving your insecurities, find this patient. See anyone in the. Faceless crowd. Do I focus se something. To make me focus, he's concerned about you. I just that main. He's insecure. Get your great for out of here. It's a legit. Question ambers they're, you've got amber in your head. Put in my head. I can't even have a conversation you my subconscious ladder tagging she better have clothes on, unfortunately. I didn't mean to say that lot say what and set out. Nothing what's going on there. So again, the the playfulness persist, but we start introducing element of like interpersonal jealousy and concern like there's an emotional stakes that isn't necessarily present and most episodes of the show because house is all about logic. He's not. He's not about emotion, but for some reason, he is hallucinating or remembering Wilson's newfound girlfriend, who he's sparred with over the course of the season who has been presented as pretty much like a part from character that got dubbed by fans Moriarty in the second season. Really the only person who's close enough to being his equal in terms of basically just rat fucking people around you who are amusement or like short term gain for most the for four season. She, she had the nickname cutthroat bitch anyway, like the diagnosis goes on because again, this is like the medical mystery series and because he's trying to remember things, he's sticking his head and like buckets of laundry. He's taking too many drugs. He's trying to like piece together. Different cues that can kind of fill in this experience of what happened on this bus, who is some who's this person who's gonna die. And this leads into the third clip in which Lisa Cuddy the director of the hospital played by Lisa. At least I can't remember her first name. Yeah, yeah. Winds up, basically helping them go through a differential diagnosis while stripping you play the third one place. From behind. Scare loves weekly. Indicate a Arctic insufficiency. Marfa. What if. Just trooping. Cute. A slack sec. Fade elimidate's. Adult Berga point going. Strect. No. Dance woman rather be diagnosing ice-cream. No. And your own subconscious ignored you because he'd rather fast is about funding. Symptoms screwed up that. Hey, over here. Remember me. I'm the sick guy. So this last clip I know sounds probably pretty frivolous, but it indicates a pretty good running theme series and drives it home really effectively here, which is that everybody around him in his life is really secondary to being genius into being curious into finding things out when he's not entertained by the most important and most entertaining thinking and think of than other people will do. And so in this case, you have a woman that he's had like some sort of relationship with in the past as a bantering, like moonlighting sexual. Antagonism with who is in this case stripping in front of him. And I understand lease Eggleston was like an exotic dancer before she made it as an actress. And so she got to actually have fun like re-applying her, you know, like a practice skill here. But you know, even though there's this incredibly sexy thing is happening before him as mine throws it away because there's a dead string, a dying stranger. At the end of a bus, he's loosening, who saying, hey, pay attention to me. And that underlines like one of the main tensions the series and through one of the main tensions of lot of like two thousand era, like charming sociopath, who can break all the rules because he's a genius and he's a charming sociopath. Like to what extent can you destroy and use up everything around you? To what extent can you make everything around you subordinate to the one thing that actually drives you and and inspires your curiosity and. This question like the actual mystery, here's episode specific, but it expands enough demand for the whole series like does the mystery matter and is house like just wounded into stupid, not to just rest and he'll and become better in some way, or is he actually sincerely haunted by the desire to know this? Does it matter that he wants to solve it? Is this self destruction and ethical monstrosity or contempt for other people getting his way worth it? And the answer in this episode and is dealt with in its pair. The follow up is yes, he's right. But at this extreme cost that makes the victory perk in this case literally. So and that that dynamic, it's explicatives fully in the follow up episode. But the emotive strength of this ending reveal which is gorgeous shot and at the time was enough. I remember watching sort of real time on social media as it just knocked the wind out of people who were obsess. Wli deconstructing every episode of this show. The motive strengthen that was so profound. I think at wind up laying the template for the undoing of this series because the impact of of what you see of like house running again, up against an colliding with the reality of who he is in the reality of what his pursuits destroy was hard, not to just keep reprising over the next four seasons for diminishing returns, diminishing returns. And because they, the creators were not willing to just go ahead and alter the dynamic of the series as there is no sort of consequence for these fatal collisions. Every time they tried to do a cliffhanger after that you kinda went well. You know what's going to happen nothing. And in fact, the finale of this series is very much like, well, you know, there are no consequences for that, but for a moment it looked like there would be and it was very beautiful moment even though it wound up being extraordinarily sad anyway, that's my, that's my pitch. I didn't know that about Lisa Edelstein or Stein that she had a history stripping because I kind of thought this was something either. This was best case scenario. She thought her body banging and by the way it is. Yeah. And she just wanted to show it off similar to Harold Perrineau juniors, stripping storyline in season, two of clause where it's just like, well, this would be fun. And worse case scenario was someone wanted to see wanted to objectify Lisa Edelstein. So if this is something that she actually did know how to do that makes it slightly less creepy, but. I do generally against dream sequence episodes, and this has a lot of the reasons why they bug me. And you know, maybe it's the, it's the no consequence thing where it's like. It just feels like oftentimes a thing where writers just want to throw a bunch of shit in and not have to account for it or get to it dramatically. And so there's so many shortcuts in a format like this, that just let's them do different things that otherwise wouldn't make sense in an episode onto the point e Asher to just back you up on that one is that the first forty minutes of the show and that process going to roll his dream clues is a big red herring, right? None of it goes anywhere. So it was like they could custom build that to do all the weird shit they wanted and really teaching. Yeah. And I know pointed even anyone suggests that it was lupus. So what. Well, that's because I think in like four episodes before that, it actually was lupus the season where they had the one episode where it is loop where finally less lupus. But, oh, and one more thing about the stripping. It reminds me of the the moment in the episode that your podcast colleague, Dave pitch to us when he was here of SVU where there's a, there's a reason ginned up for stabler and Benson to pretend that they're going to fuck so that they can throw that in promos. Like similar thing with you? Cutty stripping for house. But the bigger fantasy even than the various women that house wants to see naked as we're told, he wants to see everyone naked is how much time this hospital gets thrower around pursuit of this, this person that he's, he's convinced exists Yeldham it ends up being ripe, but like they have no reason to do that and like putting everyone on a bus and then printing out pictures of everyone who was on the bus and making them like reenacted like what hospital can spare all of these doctors to fuck around like this, like in this was I know knock on house all along that like there's endless tests that can be done and never any talk of a Bill. And I know that you know talking about money is the death of drama, but at the same time, like it is very deceptive to do of medical dramas set in America where like that never comes up or rarely or at inter we go. Well, you know what I mean? Like whatever. Everyone's older storyline in the first season. Sorry. Okay. Sorry. But the other thing is like, and maybe this is just for me not really watching the show, but like the how, how everyone is when house starts bleeding from his ear, everyone's like here we go again, like no one seems concerned about it at all. Like maybe this is just a function of what an asshole is all the time. But like no one really seems that we're, they're just like go home and sleep like take your bleeding ear out of here. You're really inconveniencing us like, I don't know. It's another another tone issue that I had. And finally, for the whole thing to come down to like three iterations of what's my necklace made of like, did we really not get this assumes we saw the necklace. Sorry, I get why this was a turning point, and I'm sorry that this the series went downhill from here in your opinion because this this was not. This did not work for me. I don't know if Dave should go. Next Cassara was the one of the three of us who actually watch this on a regular basis era goes next. I did watch this on a regular basis. I think I was subbing for someone to recap three stories, which was really kind of a lot of pressure because that's one of the. I mean, this is probably the the peak. The series was that episode. This one, I don't know. Like. Jabs point is well taken about how like, because this is where the show was kind of like overtaken by all its own. Like the seeds of its own destruction. We're like, be getting visibly grow here. Maybe that's why I found them. So noticeable here. But I, it was interesting because I did quit the show. Eventually I almost never quit chose no matter how bad they get. That's why still watching view. Hi. But yeah. Broke out after I punched out after twelve and I was like a slavish, dick wolf DOT. She may Fred ladies room. So I did quit this one eventually because the lake love love, hate affair between him and Cutty spoiler guess whatever it was ten years ago. I was just like, I don't like no one involved feels like they wanna do this. The writers don't feel like they're committed to it. Even Hugh Laurie is not making me believe it. And I think that this show and it's writers did a lot of things for a long time that they got away with longer because she Lori was so good. Yeah, the whole cast is actually good. Jesse Spencer's hair in this episode is a no neck of its own horrible. It looks like a Halloween like store cobweb was dropped on his. And then does lemonade. It's not that this episode is bad. I just it points up every single thing that eventually killed the show. That. The ways in which he is like rude disruptive. Condescending, harassing, wastes everyone's critical time with puzzles and insults that that's all here. On top of that in the intervening years now that the culture at large, I think, has. Completely digested this kind of character and just chewed all the flavor out of it, I guess, is a better way to put it. I just I'm not sure that I can vote this particular episode in because in the intervening years, this kind of protagonist has just. I don't know. Like we can't with it anymore. Overall cultural toxically. Could be or. Yeah. So putting putting. Elstein in that costume was like, well, good for her, but this is this is a bit troubling. I'm not. I'm not sure about that. But yeah, this was in its in its first couple of seasons, really great show. There were great performances in this episode that last sequence I forgot. This is how this particular character death was accomplished. And it was very effecting to watch it again. And the next episode is also very, effecting Robert Sean, Leonard is amazing in it. I think he may have actually been nominated for an EMMY based on it. But yeah, this is just a lot of this is just a lot of house and not necessarily in the good ways. Dave. Before I get into the episode, I have two questions. Number one. Does anybody else agree or believe that perhaps there was much like a newspaper that writes bits of Hedda time. There was sitting at the production company, a generic medical drama, credit sequence in which the inserted four seconds of house and co walking down a hallway. Those are the generic. It doesn't match the tone of the show at all. Somebody was just told medical drama and they put a whole bunch of line drawings and bullshit in. And then they're like wells guy gotta have house on there somewhere. The other question they had is why in what capacity? This is like not being sarcastic as genuine, like somebody let me know works at a hospital, but why is there a for what reason does a hospital indeed off hot tub Esq. That house goes into house, uses it as a sensory tank. But you know, it's basically just a big bath basically, and it's kind of wonder why that would be in a hospital because being in PT or something like that, but you know, generally do PD stuff like that in hospitals, do they? Yeah, it looks like it's in the middle of a locker room. I did my in a hospital and yeah, and I had actually like part part of the reason. I think why I. Gravitated toward house. This series was like, oh, a guy with like astonishing constant nerve pain in his leg who's rude. Like I feel you. How bad my sleep Jeb. No one was fourteen. I crippled my leg pretty badly. It took me about six months to learn to walk. Again. I had really excruciating PT in a room with lots of different like hydrotherapy stuff, and I didn't need that. I had electrotherapy re-grow muscle because it had atrophied so much. But yeah, this like this is the really, really this is like the Cadillac like Nike built this PT room for Oregon's football program version of what I had. All right. Thank you about your leg. Glad you're okay. Jeez, here's why. For me, this episode is not Kate and worthy TV already produces episode years. Before this episode, it was called phantasm. It was an episode of Star Trek. The next generation you may remember it as data has a nightmare. Dreams of Dookie peptide cake is basically the same episode. Data is having dreams. He needs to figure out the forty and meetings of all the things that are happening in on peace what's actually happening in the real world in real time as he's having these weird dreams of mouse on people's shoulders and people turning into cakes and Warf acting weird shit. And unlike this episode, like the whole episode was working towards the end rather than this episode really bug me that the first whole chunk was kind of like a Danish crime procedural red herring thing, and that really took me out of it. I'm like, well, what the. It was like incredibly invested, but the amount in which I was invested up to that point, I felt personally betrayed by Hugh Laurie at that. Never my favorite two things about this episode was I really loved the well. It's not the dream sequence, but you know the hypnosis world the way they did the lighting where there is sort of like spinning lights, turning lights off and on to to move the shadows, constantly change the contour of the lighting and everybody's face. I thought that was like a very Star Trek o. s. thing to do like the cheapest way that we could signify that they're in the the alternate universe. But it still works in still kind of weird and neat. And I really for some reason, I always love it when a world is termed generic, there's a scene where he goes to the bar and just all the wicker bottles to say liquor on them in in a no frills label way, these beer this bureau on it. I'm a big soccer for that kind of thing. So I enjoyed that part. Nobody's talked about the fact that limpets Fred Durst is in this up Assode and. Is he's the bartender, I guess, probably. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there's that. But for me, I just like, didn't really think this was anything. Great. You know what I mean? Like I don't think this this this for me seem like, oh yeah, house. He's just he's an incredible doctor and he gets away with shit. That hundred other people fired in a hot second. I just feel like obviously, as I demonstrated that kind of stuff been done on TV before, and I don't really think this was a particularly strong example of that just because as I think Tara was saying the start they were, it was sort of like a playground for the writers and one you separate it like the first bit of it where he's fixated on the driver and it was wrong that driver, and that was sort of his main thrust. And that was just like, oh, that was just a separate thing. And then they move onto the whole pit part where he's starting to suss out the amber connection that part of it was just really dumb. Dumb. Like there's a mysterious lady into buzz who's wearing a piece of amber. Like really, that's the puzzle like this is like the worst rebus in in the in the world like this. And that just kind of like as a viewer kind of took me off because I think they could have done better with houses. Sherlock homing, Czyz thing, and they didn't. It really just came down to a piece of jewelry. Some they pretty lady was wearing on the bus, and it really bothered me. I think they could have thrown nuclear peptide cake with frosting in there, and everybody would have been had. It's just like, I kind of wish the whole thing was just put together, tighter, neater and with more forethought to the ending at minute one rather than like minute thirty six or whatever they did. Let us put this to the official vote. Yes, tar I'm going to vote. No, but thank you for the presentation server de bunting. Thank you for the presentation also a no for me, but please come back to us with a three stories because I think that would get in, hey, I loved it. I ain't gonna say yes, all the way. One thing the moral victory will take away from this though, is that this didn't get in, but the show that we reviewed the million little pieces totally began with the house MD level fake out of like the guy like shoveling pills in his mouth did immediately turn to my wife has Ron Livingston's going over that ledge and then boom. So it didn't. It doesn't get you the canon, but it does get exquisite like suicide fake out expertise. That means house or house MD who knows unknowable, which one you're supposed to call it season for episode. Fifteen houses head this fun to say that way. I'm sorry, but you're here by not inducted into the extra creek. I'm Erica Lovell winner. And we'll not tolerate. No, it's time for a winner and loser of the week. Sarah has a winter. I do. It's Kareem Abdul Jabbar who is joining the Veronica Mars season four writing staff because he can, and I am in favour. I've read a couple of books. He's a good writer. I'm into it hopefully for Mars, we'll develop a skyhook. He also does Sherlock Holmes things, doesn't he? Yes, he does. My brain always goes to the scene where they're pulling them out of the cockpit in aeroplane. They said basketball, where as always always. I think he'd be okay with that if that was my legacy to the world, I would be super. Okay. Was it. Well, Matthew whiner I always forget what it is. Okay. So first of all, people are already starting to like, make disappointed noises about his new show the Romanoff's which is coming to Amazon later this month on the basis that every episode is a minimum of eighty minutes, which no thing you that's too long pestle that's a movie. It's not a TV show, but also in the run-up to its release, he's getting interviewed obviously and including about the accusations that came out last year by a former madman writer, whose name was Kater Gordon and who went on any for writing on the show where she said last year that in a private writing session, he said to her that she owed it to him to let him see her naked. And at the time Marty knocks in who was also a writer on the show, called him an emotional terrorist and backed her up and said, you know, even though she was witness to this particular incident, she she was. She did experience unhealth. The work environment working with him. And at the time his reps said in a statement, he does not remember saying this comment nor does reflect a comment. He would say to any colleague. But now I guess a year into me metoo he's possibly thinking. He may need to lawyer this and in a new profile in Vanity. Fair still says he denies it, but aknowledges it's not impossible that he might have said something like that. So in other words, he said it just kidding. Don't sue me, but he said it just getting. Speaking about, don't sue me know what time it is. Shirts game time. All right, everybody. This is the fourth game time of the season scores are Tara to Sarah one value guest, nil today we are playing. Game hot potato. Like in this actually is hot h. b. o. eight, five rounds of hot potato testing. Your knowledge of HP. Oh programming Jonah by John. R- right. We will start with valued guests. All right, so jab because this is operatives and it's all about strategy and you get to pick the order. You want to last. You want to go in the middle, and that's how we'll start things. I is there. I mean, explain to me the stakes here. I mean, how do I game this out? I would means you've got your answers. Brandon bell says anything. Last means you're more likely to outlast people putting Mattis. In the real world who does she smarter and knows more things put Tara less. Okay, sure. I'll go first. All right. So Jeb Sarah, Tara is our order. Are we ready to play. The answer is yes, you are ready. We are starting round one before we get into what round. One is a couple just little notes were not going to be talking about HBO kids programming, and we're not gonna get talking about HBO's sports programming. All right. We're going to go by John Ruth and because sometimes shows straddle genres. We're sort of eliminating that show as we go along. So we're gonna start with mini series. All these miniseries will not also be dramas. All right. Okay. Got it round one top potato scripted mini series from HBO twenty-seven possible answers starting with Jeb name an h. b. o. scripted miniseries. A band of brothers. You are. To keep going. You next spurted miniseries John Adams. Good, win angels in America. The pacific. Oh, nice. Yeah, really? Big little lies. What. Yeah, never mind. Any series on HBO show me a hero. Sh- still overnight things. The night of. I think this that might be wrong, but mosaic. Oh, I wasn't sure if that was Cinemax. Okay, cool. Name seven, twenty left. Jeb. I'm drawing a blank. I'm sorry. All right. I mean, tar takes the first point. Any other ones I had none. No. Okay. Here's a couple Elizabeth. I. Generation kill. Yeah. Mildred pierce. Trying to remember that one char objects. The corner the and of course everybody's favorite. The young pope, the young pope Holly and others. I've heard of such as all the rivers run and hotel room and from the earth to the moon with Mr. Tom Hanks. I point now sign for round two of up. A smaller group of possible answers for round two sketch comedy and stand up series, stand up series, not specials series, comedy sketch comedy and stand up comedy series, Tara got that point. So we're back to tip for our first answer Mr. show mister show. Yeah, I know not necessarily the news. Takes me back. It sure does funnier die. Presents. One night stand one nights. Yet. How many do we have in this Dave thirds teen teen. Kids in the hall. Sheriff that would count g neither Tracey takes on. The minimum relative to the other popes. He's extremely young. I just want to bring that back emphasize that enough. I'm out. To Sara. I'm also out and I think this is comedy central, but it's fun to yell. So Steph. Okay, thank you. All right. Are you the last person standing? You're going to get the point but and the others equiry remember? No. All right. Here's the ones administ- alley show. Wow, def def, comedy jam. Sorry, down and dirty with Jim Norton, hardcore TV, HBO comedy, half hour. How's that? For a no frills label? Little Britain USA and on location. All right, here's one that might make on c. happy. We are talking about a few things in one grouping together, documentaries reality, talk and variety, right? So all those miscellaneous things, documentaries reality, talk in variety series. We have thirty one series in this category back to Jeb was it has to be a documentary series. Got mentoring series. Yes. Well, shit. Talk. Well, real time with Bill Maher. Real sex. Taxi cab confession. The bunny ranch, the bunny, ranch. To sara. Yeah, you'd think this would be happy. I don't remember the name of this thing. So maybe you could see your way clear to giving me neighborhood play. It's like interviews with the Ice Man or iceman comes with a man, something an evening with the ice truck killer. The iceman knows name was. No talking about come on. I see nothing here with the word ice band. Oh, right. Do talking about maybe it was just a single documentary, perhaps I think it was a series of documentaries and not eight documentary series. See, do you want to take another answer on that one since that was so convoluted and went all over the place and it feels sorry for not being able to provide you with any iceman facts and feel sorry for me, feel even sorrier for me. I have no alternative, and oh my God. Last week tonight. Yeah, sure, right. So many guys. So many here. After the thrones. Right? Any given Wednesday with the guy from grantland. Let's see. What else do I def poetry jam, Dennis Miller live string divas. Masterclass, a little reality show called project greenlight. Sits. Standing room only the Chris rock show the defiant ones. Apolo Poundstone show vice vice news tonight. Problem areas yesteryear missing a still didn't readable less on to read for. Big category, comedy and drama. These fifty possible series to choose from taro in that one again. So back to gyp. Drama, these comedies and drama. These, oh comedies. Well, find sex in the city sex and the city. Our lit dollars dollars Arleigh king actually pronounce it, but we'll sorry. Yes. Veep. Dream on shit. You're sad part about that one. You took my uncle with these founded down. Nice. The mind of the married man. Oh. Ara. Think about what you've done. To PO comedy series also good. Android. Drama these, which could be anything as Szekely your half hour scripted joint. That's not a reality show. No. But I mean, autopsy always gets a laugh for me. A man just skipping. This is some A-Class stalling by the way. No, really? I'm I'm just mentioning autopsy because my wife will probably hit me for not mentioning autopsy the last round and that's it. No, you can't be out there. So many big ones still left? No, I really. I don't mind is all right. Right to me. Yeah. Yeah. Tara gave you a clue in by mentioning joints and that last one five owns even think of that one. Girls. They said comedies. Sorry. Thanking it insecure. Silicon valley. Night of the conchords Goodwin. Ahlers. Yeah. Shit. Why can't I remember the name of it? It can picture the guy guy. The guy, you know turtle and I think it starts with an e. come on. You're so. Erasure evidence. Why can't we get. I never watched it entourage. Mean, thank God. She got that one because I actually bollocks my last one. Oh, come on. I can't. I can't. I. I'm like, I know there was the Tim Robbins one that got cancelled and then renewed and then canceled. I can't remember what it was called. All right. Sarah, just for giggles. Got anymore. No. Series. All right. Here's some friends berry. Bored to death, curb your enthusiasm. Tarr watches, divorce. Extras, family tree l. o. ladies at a make an America hung. Oh, lucky Louie. Everybody's favorite show. Tenacious d, the brink let your thinking of. Yes, it was the Larry Sanders show screen watching our house. We must go. Never one ladies detective agency. The Ricky Gervais show togetherness. Tracey Ullman show unscripted vice principals and there's a few there. I didn't bother reading. I didn't even recognize them. All right territory round. Here we go. Final round round five. We're talking about dramas. Thirty seven drama series up for grabs tars. I. Oh, game of thrones game of thrones never heard of it. To gyp. Oh sorry, it's it's kind kinda Dickensian. But at the same time it's a Greek tragedies called the wire. Have you heard about it? I should watch it. Maybe. That's pretty good. The sopranos, the support. Tre may. Homework, the series as we'd like to come. Boardwalk empire buyer. Six feet under. It's like the song EZ the leftovers leftover. Big little lies. Big love. Thuc. Intrigue -ment. I don't remember if this one was on Showtime or not, and I am temporarily out of guesses. So I guess I'm just going to have to try my luck with true blood. John from Cincinnati. Deadwood. Oh. True detective. Luck. Still some pretty big ones on the board. I. Lot of ones that aren't so big, they can picture it's tedium now, but I can't. This one really big on still on the board. Of course, there would be. But it's. Yeah. Someone said in treatment, right in treatments. Yeah. What is the one that I'm thinking of the guy. Oh, wait. Actually, this guy was also another one. So let's just use carnival. Deuce. The twos. Okay. Now after think of the name wasn't in treatment, it was like everybody was in sex therapy. Oh yes. The guy played the plein minister in everwood this. Oh my God. This is not helping. And I think there was a stunt penis. Yeah, there was a fuck. Yeah, there was right, but I can I remember the name? No, it's like. Tell me the truth. Coming allies. Now where you're going with, which which part which fire. Your first two words are? Correct. Okay. Tell tell the answer just getting. Tell me tell the. Tell me, tell me that you love me. Tell me, you love me, they're all right. I'm here not that whole time trying to think of whatever the next. The other big one was wasn't that. Are you. Saying officially that you're yes. Sarah, any other ideas? I mean, I I have one, I think, but I don't think it's even the big one. No, you want. Okay. All right. So the rest, say role say because you guys got a boat over half of them. Eleven eleven here. Now. Okay. What here now the eleven eleven show here. Now, ya fat thing that George Clooney's k. street share life stories, families in crisis. Never heard of it maximum security perversions of science. Now up Marlowe private eye out Ray Bradbury theater, Rome. I see city. Accession, that's not the big one. Tales from the crypt, the hitchhiker the life of, sorry, the newsroom. Todd, McFarlane, spawn room, 401. million final and those are in alphabetical order. So anybody want to guess what the last one is now. Here at the end of the alphabet. Fooled. World. All right. Let's get scores police star. All right. Postgame Sarah has to three you think the game is over, but there is one last chance for Sarah and Jeff points on the board. It's a long shot. But here we go. Wonderful point. For every of the two game shows HBO's ever aired. If you can name either of them, you got a point name. Both. I'll give you two points. Any ideas. Sara or Jeb. Game shows? Yeah. H. b. o. has done two games who's in its history one in the eighties one in the nineties. I believe if I remember correctly. Topless family feud. Thrones. Joy that answer that is incorrect. Your brain games, which was a sort of educational in the eighties and show later on called crash box, crash Bah. All right. So. Reddish box three to tar wins. Tara. Eating is that happened or another episode of extra hawk grade. We discuss about three things about a million little things for jumping off to around the dial, landing on Murphy, Brown, Jane Fonda and five acts behind the music and American dream jet prescribe houses, head trip houses head for the cannon, but was declared DO a by Dr. Bunting Dr. Kohl Dr area. We crowned winners and losers of the week and Tara was the winner of this week's HBO gametime remember. Sitting. I am David Cole and behalf of tar area. Sarah d bunting it's still not lupus and Jeb Lund hey, can I come to your funeral and just hang out with everyone in your life for like ever. Thanks for listening everybody and we'll see next time right here extra great. Great. Brain tumor, go home, fun, relax. The pay, the afraid that. Excuse me. Mr.. Berg think about right about now be time for me to take my shirt off.
226: Talking Through Our Memories Of Homecoming
"Got to be seamless all this under. I'm on it right away. Gotta go pay to our. Baseball. This is the extra heartbreak podcast episode two hundred twenty six for the week of November twelfth two thousand eighteen. I am tiny speck of mental wellness in giant swap David Cole. And I'm here with fine cobbler recipes Saturday bunting the secret ingredient is conspiracy protected bird tar area. No. And forgetful, pasta, enjoyer Markaz, anti octopus. Good or was it. L everybody. Welcome to another episode of extra hawk great before we get into the meat of it. Yes. It's happening. Again, the feet is changing. Now, if everything happens away, it should it should make absolutely no difference you, but if you're two weeks around your like where the hell is my new episode of ectra- rate that means we screwed up somewhere, and you should go to our site. WWW extra hot great dot com and get the new feed information. But like I said it worked flawlessly last time a hoping for the same results this time, but in abundance of caution. I'm let me know the fetus changing all right with that. Let's get on with the show. Welcome to podcast and welcome to our guest. Mark Zante highmark. Hey. Or as I always call you in my mind, Mark Zante? Hey. Do that. I just do. We are here to talk about Amazon's homecoming and lettuce I'm gonna throw this open to the group. I've I've been dubious about half hour dramas before. But man, I love a half hour drama. Homecoming has convinced me Mark party or thoughts on the run time of this show. So good. Yeah. So good you get through it quick. It's not, you know, it's not the Romanoff's which all talk about later hour and a half per whip through this whole thing like five hours, and it's none of that half hour where like sometimes it's forty minutes like they're all pretty much exactly a half an hour. And I appreciate that that that economy of storytelling. So homecoming is Amazon's new series. It's famously Julia Roberts, basically, TV debut, certainly or prestige TV debut, of course hat tip. I would be remiss in Sarah is here to not mention her in. Infamous episode of law and order famous original in which she screws over Ray at the time her real life boyfriend. She was. In that episode. Oh, man. So hateful. But here she is not hateful. She's playing Heidi Bergman who's a social worker who's like a prajit at project counselor for program called homecoming. Which is. Meant to help integrate returning combat veterans back into civilian life. And then it turns out maybe not so much Mark. What are your your high level thoughts about what worked on the show? What didn't for you? I'll tell you the atmosphere and the directing are pretty amazing S mail of mister robot fame, which for me was a real mixed bag of the show. Yeah. That I did not stick with through the second season. But this one I think has none of the problems that that show had. Partly driven by what you mentioned earlier, the nice short tight episodes like seems to be a a really good choice to have adapted this material in this way. It looks amazing. There's a little camera trickery that maybe we'll talk about later that seems like a gimmick at first, but then actually serves a narrative purpose, and that was a pretty amazing reveal, and it's great, you know, that the actors it's very small cast. For the principles. Julia Roberts, Bobby kinda valley and Stephen James. And you know, that's basically it for the main people right then K wingham share wisdom to the fourth one. You know, and Karpov ski in Sissy space on the smaller end of the roles, but you know, it really worked at it really zips along and the sound design on it is amazing which something that they apparently carried over from the podcast. It really works. I it was a it was a good watch. It's been a good year for TV shows with like seventy direction throwback like between this and maniac. Kind of feel like, you know, we're we're we're going back in time. Because this was a very like like also in where I came into it Tara had watched the whole series prior to me watching it. And I had only like come into the room on two or three scenes on all the seams. I came into maybe this was something totally different than it was like the scenes I won't bother with what the scenes were. But it kind of felt like I was it was a rom com or or not a rom com. But a coming of age story or something like that just based on the scenes, I so I came into knowing nothing, and it turned out to be this this weird sort of military Chinatown all the president's men vibe. Yeah. The story, and I had no idea. It was a podcast. I do nothing about this. And I was sorta like gonna watch this stupid. Joe's going to be so boring and vivid at to be like burying grossing very interesting. And as Mark said like the direction and the the the set design and the color grading and everything was was excellent. And really kind of put me in the mind of of those movies. I mentioned a lot. Yeah. The sam. Smell factor was like a potential could have been a stopper for me. Because I didn't realize going into it before I watched the screeners that it was him because I also bailed on mister robot after the season one. But it it and considering the subject matter as Dave said, it's like it's also has you know, sort of conspiracy elements code have could have shaded in that direction. And they they they're certainly were lots of opportunity if they hadn't Hyun close to the source material for them to like go wild with like, what is real? And what is not? But it was satisfying -ly nothing like all of those elements that turned me off mister robot. Sarah, what were your thoughts? I think he watched more of his robot. Benighted I did. Apparently there was a third season. I still don't watched it. I was a lot more forgiving because I liked a lot of the ways it was built. What it was to look at and the many references within it to me entertained, even when on a straightforward narrative level. I didn't know what the fuck was going on which was a big problem and also Christian Slater like smaller doses. I would say. This. Like all the president's men reference is explicit. It's an episode nine the soundtrack is from all the president's men. And before that, I think in episode three you have a Q from chariots of fire. I have not looked up all the references like on. I'm sure someone has written this. I think AV club had had a post about. Yeah. I'll of the soundtracks at borrows from. I put my phone basically like after the after the van jealous one I put my phone link between the couch cushions because I was like I want to be able to spot these for myself. But when they're referring to like when there's a Hitchcock reference, it it comes from the music, and like, I think that's from vertigo or I think that's from the birds appropriately. So I thought that was really cool. I guess it could be seen as Mickey. But. Allen j pack ULA who did all the president's men, and the parallel view, which if you guys have never watched that is so good. Is. Like their recreation of that kind of just like buddy Brown film, stock seventies conspiracy lake Dave said was really good. But then not overplayed, and this is a perfect format. Like we sat down to just see watch a couple episodes with dinner the other night. And you know, if Dan was like, this is bullshit, then I just watched the rest of it myself. But we watched the whole thing in one night and two in the morning because it's half an hour. And you just want to keep going, and you wanna see if it goes where you think it's going to go which at the end, it it kind of doesn't and that sort of like banality of evil explanation of the of the dates on the paperwork, for instance, is like like that it. Yeah. But yeah, it was just a really enjoy. Joy -able contained focused set of episodes and ban like half hour sort of drama thriller that isn't beholden to TV commercial act breaks. It is the future and also early kind of the past. Now, let me ask you guys this because once Dan, my husband pointed out, I couldn't stop thinking about it. Even though it didn't necessarily agree. He we took a break between episodes eight and nine and he's like if I were writing this, and I were directing this as a play. I would stop the story right there. Even though you don't know like, you sort of know the outcomes, but not really like, you don't know what becomes of everyone. What does everyone else think of that? Because the episode that ends so she's she's just figured out that or been told basically by her boss, Colin Heidi were speaking of has been told by our boss that that this isn't actually a program to reintegrate veterans into civilian life. It's to erase their memories. So that they can be sent back in and redeployed. And so she's this is shattering its changes her whole perspective on everything. And they that episode ends if I recall correctly with her like staggering back to her office in like gathering all of her desktop Chachis into her arms and sorta soothe herself and crying and yet. And so that's in the in the homecoming timeline. We haven't talked about yet. And Mark mentioned this sort of glance at this week and get back into it is that this proceeds onto timelines. There's the twenty eighteen time line where Heidi is working at this at home coming and then four years in the future. Wenge shea Wiggins character. Tom's crass co is who's worse at the inspector general's office at the department of defense is investigating a claim from that time. It's taken this long for it to get to anyone investigating. What was actually going on there? And so Mark wanna talk about a little bit about visually. How they represent this. Yeah. When they're flashing forward to the twenty twenty two ish, right something like that. Yeah. Future the near very near future the aspect ratio on the show changes. It changes from wide-screen to a box to like more square. The way that old televisions used to look it's crazy. It's actually even like slightly narrower than that. Which is each one is ING portrait. And I first landscape. It's very weird is Instagram portrait size. So what you very cramped? And it feels very claustrophobic. And that obviously sets the tone for those scenes as we we know that something has happened with her that she's now not. You know, obviously accounts Lord homecoming anymore now, she's a waitress and seems to have no recollection over time as a counselor, and you know, that could have been an easy gimmick. You know, just like a just useless visual flourish a fuss bit of fussiness. But. He uses it to. I mean, it's an easy market to keep track of the time is, but it wouldn't have been that hard to keep track of the time anyway because there's different haircuts, and whatever and and Shay Wykeham 's a plotline is entirely in that that future. But which looks like Brazil, a lot of the time and the niece in the and zodiac actually wouldn't have been that confusing to keep it straight without. So they didn't need solely as just a market to keep your place in time. But I mean, do we want to jump ahead to what it also ultimately means when the the letter boxing comes back in Cher said it would wanna take that she's gotten this piece of evidence from caress co that gives her the address of where homecoming is she goes there, and meanwhile, she's called Colin 'cause she has no remembrance of who. He is. She's just innocently calling to try and figure out who he. She is because she's found this old cellphone of hers from that time. And so he goes to Tampa, and is like just testing to see whether she really does remember him or not hunt, cheat definitely doesn't. So they have a whole like we're deceptive relationship, and he drives her there. They walked through. And it's a great. I mean, I can see Dan's point in that such a great climax because at the same time we have corral walking through the homecoming half of this building. This this weird office park where homecoming was and then on a per exactly parallel because it's called mirror pond and the two sides of the building mirror each other. She's walking through what the Geist corporation is turned it into which is this bullshit wellness center. I love the the detail that went into building this place where it's like a therapeutic oils. Like, of course, just like, you know, but, but she's you know, none of this is familiar to her, obviously. Because it's not, you know, it's it's she doesn't remember legitimately. And it's not what was. Is there at the time? But, but there's that like deja vu like trace signature in her memory, somehow lake sheep remembers it, but not quite and then the fact that the corporations name is Geist which often h means ghost just thought those cool. I thought that Willie Geist head wrong them some. They were paying a back some smell. Mirror. Hello. She does she does find her way back to her old office. And so she's he's shea Wiggins on on this or what would have been her own hurled off on the opposite side. And so he's he has sort of it looks like he's given up and he's looked through the window. And then he sees her and at the same time, she stands and there's this endangered bird. And it makes this it's weird cry and that brings her that that triggers everything and then she remembers it, and it's amazing shot. I've actually made a gift for that story that I wrote for slate that I talked about last week. Where the the the frame widens out into into wide-screen, and she's like receding at the same time. Right as the. Yeah. It's it's it's amazing. It's like utterly cool shot. Yeah. I forget what they call that shot. But it's like they Dali towards they Dolly towards the actor while always in focus polling. I imagine ending on episode eight I mean nine and ten are like fine. But you're right. Like, they don't really they don't flesh out more than what we could've probably put together on our own except for the scene of them eating the the tainted the dosed Neo key together. But I wouldn't wanna miss that. I guess that was Gordon yo to try and. Yeah. Well, an episode ten seemed I think episode nine episode ten could have been one thirty am. Sewed went on for a while. Like, we get it. She striving to fish camp. Yeah. Stop stop split screening like that felt a little indulgent and like s bail was like look I played by your earth rules now this it's the real. That's the real for this Anneli. Like, all right. I agree. The rest of it felt very felt pretty much fat free to me. I mean, I I also go to the scene between Heidi and Walter's mother, which I thought was a little like, I don't necessarily need to see her go and no anchor, man. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I like I can understand like you want. If you have Maryanne Trump teased, you want to get her as many scenes as possible, of course. Yeah. I don't know oiler free painting a pitcher on the craft restraint of oncoming. So we have inspired seventies. Throwbacks? We have aspect ratios sort of changes. We have a time line jumping and we have borrowing soundtracks and other stuff couldn't turn Tino good bed. But it's not it's. The borrowings are a lot less obscure than than Tarantino. True. I I kind of agree that nine and ten you could have changed that either dispense with it or shortened it. But like the guy's already talked about season two. So I guess this is a story that's going to continue somehow question, Mark. That was something. I was going to say about if they cut the if they had ended at the end of eight when she has the realization go into that that sets up the second season in a very different way than does seems what they're choosing to do at the end to flash flood for second is to start a whole new story in the second one around the new drug treatment. But if they had cut it off an eight I think you have to reckon with what happened to Heidi. What happened to alter right? No. Season two they're coming back for season today announce if the same characters or just the same world I haven't seen. Well, should we talk about the ending? Sure. Is there, you know, it seems for my Twitter timeline like there's some disagreement as to the meaning of the last scenes, I didn't feel like that was ambiguous. Once we like inception. You could compare it to inception right versus the spinning top, right? If you want to the seemed a lot less ambiguous than than -ception was like I thought it was very clearly pointing direction. Yeah. San could read it. I mean, I guess you could read it either way. Okay. Well, why don't we just like describe what actually happens? This is a post a post credits scene. Mostly. I was when I was talking about that. I was talking about the the pen of the diner. Okay. The welter and Heidi seen sorry. Yeah. I have no idea what the end end post rates. Shocking to real and not the not the fake extra end. I couldn't remember which was the post credits in which was the real end anymore. Whenever bay guys corporations eating swarm. Yeah. That was. Okay. Well, the roller. I mean, so Jen Chaney I think felt her had had a post about it which was like the fan theory is that that Audrey is Mr. Geist, and I so I had read that post at when I was watching through with Dave the second time and the first time we do see her character. She sitting behind a desk that like this enormous reception desk that says Geist right in front of it. So like if that's if she secretly been Geist all along like maybe that was hint that an end there's also like the phrasing. The way that Collins says it like you'll take that into account won't you dash dash, Mr. Geist. So I don't know if she's going to if we're going to get to know more about like where what her characters deal actually is in season two if if she's been part of like some kind of sign up on him it, you know, given everything else they're doing I suppose it's not outside of the realm of possibility. The the ending you guys are talking of now. I keep referring to as the pen. But what I mean is it's a fork. Work. So Heidi is like me, very particular about everything on her desk being lined up, and that's totally normal. And I don't think there's anything strange about that. Or that? It says anything else a better character cough. In their offense. She also she always have the the pan on her desk lined up, you know, in perpendicular or sorry parallel to the desk. And every time Walter comes in he like turns it slightly. So when she she finds her way back to fish campus. There said earlier where he has left post homecoming and is building a deck or whatever. And she's so she sits in in a diner, and he happens to come in. And she's very weird and breathy about him. But she doesn't tell them who she is. And they have this very pleasant exchange in at the end of it. He leaves in them when he's gone, she looks and sees that he has turned. He's turned her fork at forty five degree angle the way he used to do with her pen. Yeah. I thought it went. I thought it went on a little too long given that she clearly was not going to. Like show her cards. Yeah. Which I think was true to the character. But it was like, okay. Let's let's move it along. But once she looks down and sees the fork, then it makes a little more sense the way he was not only willing to engage in the conversation. But willing to continue it as long as he did. I mean, I don't know. I I think it was a little bit ambiguous as to whether he recognized her right? But I you know, I think he did. I think we're supposed to understand that. He did even though he may not know from where. But that's where that sort of. I like sent signature whatever comes in again that he may not consciously recognize her, but something like, there's some trace my memory. Yeah. Eating that as potentially him moving the focus just his, you know, his his character trait to do that rather than him signaling. I know and this is me, and maybe potential it's made up later. I think he doesn't know he's necessarily signaling that like he could be conscious of it. And recognize her know who she is. But he also could have just moved to the fork for like. Have 'love' and reasons that he doesn't remember consciously, and I'm fine with it either way. Yeah. My read on that was that. I mean, the other thing that was sort of hanging over this. Once we figure out what it is. They're trying to do in terms of memory is eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. And yes, so my my read on the end of that final scene too. Is that similar to in eternal sunshine? Is that even if you arrays people from each other's memories, like their their essential nature, if they're if they are in some way, like nut, so maids or whatever. But like if they're about a there, there's some kind of destiny about the way that they'll interact with each other like they'll find their way to each other. And that's just how they are. It's so similar to what their rights. It's it's there is sensual natures are are reaching out to each other in the same way that they did at homecoming. Okay. I was reading more Moore's like this is a signal from me, you know, and you can come follow me out later, and we can we can talk again. So the answer some of our questions that we brought up of the final scene says Sam as mail is a a kind of 202 venture intentionally left that way. So he's not saying one way or the other Amazon has picked us up for season two the are in the writing room right now. The only thing he said about it is he does point to the second to the season finale post credit scene retirement about the big O Dabur of governments as a hint of things that come in season two. So sounds like it's like product testing is over an hour going to market with season two or something like that, you know, so dollars to donuts it doesn't evolve. Julia Roberts character is just like elsewhere in this world that. Shala g elsewhere in the rumble deejays at university. This happened. You know? Right. But if we can get a spin off with Sissy space, I can share Wiggham lake fix Akerede players such as. Was that was very cute. I love this kind of rumpled shea Wiggham Doug detective business. He's an everything. And this was you know, I like him and everything I really enjoyed the way they used them here kinda got or to do than he doesn't let of other stuff. And I think we all can agree that even if you bailed on mister robot like heaven prejudice against him as mill products for that reason, you can and probably will like this. We can give it our our seal of approval, I know, Adam gross worth. At least pass gets the show when it was surprised to hear me say that I liked it for that reason. So yes, even if you soured on mister robot give it a shot. For we go around the dial. We have a message from Lisa Lisa writes happiest twelfth anniversary to you my dearest China. Andhra? Some of my best memories are the long road trips. You and I took between Minneapolis. And Chicago, benching Mark one extra how great on she baby carrots and trying not to drive each other. Crazy. I feel this podcast. It's been with us for a large portion of our relationship, and it's definitely editor couples lexicon to it. I think you mean, the Ohio State University through methods and various Sarah, d bunting 'isms like yard sales chicken fried, FOX. And so so many more aside. I totally forgot about chicken fried five much Lisa for re-instituting that. Returning to or their message. I love you more than I could ever say, I hope for many more years of happiness and life with new hope you enjoy the melodious tones, if our favorites airs lovely voice, wishing very happy very clear twelve year anniversary, love your pants. That love your pants. Comma, your pants, the nickname. Literally from pats. Okay. Tariana Uber starting around the Dell with you go. Okay. I want to talk to about two. Comedy shows about and by women in their forties. Let us start with Barra. Baroness von sketch show. This is a Canadian show. I'd never heard of until it came on. I see we watch. I think the first two seasons aired like very quickly back to back on that show and a network rather we watch them we enjoyed them. It made me very homesick for Toronto. If you've ever spent any time there the opening credits will will tug at your heartstrings. If for no other reason than that one white squirrel from trinity bell woods park makes an appearance in the credits. Binal, squirrel. But I love about the show is not just that. It's it's a sketch show from the perspective of women who perform in right? But also that it's women in their forties. Very specifically. Dave could you please play the first clip? Here's an example of a sketch from season three. Here's a special preserving agents, you have a leftover half bottle sprayed inside. And it will keep it fresh to ten days. Okay. Okay. Well, where where do I get that right here? Twelve ninety nine. Oh, no. I mean, the the half bottle of wine or do I get that will if you had part of about a line say wanted to bosses, but you can't finish it. I'm sorry. I don't I don't follow. If you're on your own or something a Pat. So you can't drink the whole model. Why it's just you just me. Exactly. Okay. I'm so sorry. I know I'm sorry. Okay. So I just walk me through this. Okay. We'll start at the beginning. I have this bottle of. Yes. Anna drink it will in this case as I mentioned, you don't drink following it. Some of the wine remains makes in the ball. Okay. Wine, and I don't drink all of it. Exactly. Right away. I wait until the stupid kids have done to bed. And then I get my husband of the house. I have walked the dog or something stupid like that. I put on showgirls. And then of course, when the kids come downstairs they voted out. I take this can and I sprayed all over the room to make them think. Dreaming. And then I send them back upstairs to go to bed, and then I drink more wine. Yeah. That's it. Just a second bottle. Okay until we'll call it today. All right. Well, so me a case of week three over the corner there. Yup. I was never here. I love first of all how this sketch features both of them saying I'm sorry to each other very very Canadian. When I was scrolling through this episode to get this clip. There's a lot of sketches with people apologize to each other at the beginning. And or end. And the the other clip that I the other clip that I cut for this also describes the the tiredness that one experiences as a woman in her forties. This is a little bit shorter play clip, do please Dave. What is that one? Well, this is our platinum cruiser baggage for seven hundred dollars. You can get a my friend dance are parked right over there. And he will drive you to your home. It's the best package. We have survived pay more than than I can go home sleep in my own dead. And no one will bark near me. Yes. That's correct. And includes three original photos that you can post on social media. So it makes it look like you're here. The whole time. So. Cape. Well, we can just confined Dr patch of grass for the tents. Yes. So just this past come with lime disease. Diseases extra. Oh, okay. Sorry. I should have said that's a music festival that would've set it up better. The the idea that the joke in a lot of these sketches the Gulf between the person that you wish you were or wanna be an who you actually are. There's another schedule episode with two women out at dinner, and the when they're settling the check the waitress comes back and asks what they're doing next, and they both crack up for a whole minute at the idea that they would do anything next 'cause it's eight o'clock. Anyway, if you enjoy sketch comedy check it out even Dave likes it, or at least has passively been in the room while it's been on. I'll tell you. I think I was like fifty fifty on the first two seasons. Not that. We've watched one or two episodes in three seems like three has a little more bite to it have to say that I clip you played is like. Really wine o'clock at chase. And like, I don't have very strong indicator. What this show how funny the show could be because that was that was like kind of cringe worthy. But there's lots of in the show. Well, tell the ladies talking about finishing wine, and that kind of stuff, it's let's, you know, come out fair enough if you are a women ear forties. Your mileage may vary. Speaking of the other big premiere this week was unable to go. The pair now paired with camping which I was a little down on when I first talked about it when it premiered a few weeks ago. But now, it's really grown on me. So if you checked out of camping check back in it's really getting good. This is an import from Britain called Sally for ever, and it starts. Julia Davis who is not really a breakout star over here. But I guess I I gather has done a shitload of stuff in Britain. She seems like this year's Catharine. Mackinnon that woman who was on was on the office at the end that red headed woman who like it. She came into acting. Like, we were all supposed to know who she was. And that it was a really big deal that she did it. But no one in merica news anyway. This one revolves around this woman. Sally who has a very unhappy life, really miserable. She's in this relationship with this guy. Who's one of the bald weirdos from the thick of it universe and is a total loser. And she's been sorted. She's like stagnating this relationship. She's been living with him for ages. But he keeps proposing and she keeps saying no finally, they have a really awkward moment. And he proposes again, and she accepts. But then when we see them in bed. We get a sense of why she's been saying no this time 'cause play clip three. I'm fine. I'm good for that. Tummy touch. You have to watch it to get all of the incredibly disgusted expressions on Catherine shepherds phase as this guy keeps coming onto her, and she is not into it. At all the the show does a good job in the first episode of establishing why this why this particular character would just like drift through and just go along with his proposal, even though she cannot stand him in clearly the sight of him like makes her skin crawl. She does a good job of portraying this kind of doormat character who would just rather like say yes to get on with life. But they the first episode also dares you to not watch with a lot of body horror. She ends up meeting. This woman who comes onto a really hard. And though, it seems like this is the first time they end up having sex and it's super graphic. But before that we also get her fiance trying again to have sex with her. She says, no, he she. Chests that he could go jerk off he asks if she wants to could you he says could you watch her answer is do you mind, if I don't which feels like the British equivalent of like all the stories from Baroness gauge, anyway, then we get a scene of jerking off. Please clip for. Ooh. Act Earl but go. Okay. So two things one better when you can see it. Yes. It's amazing. This is this is day. This is the the dad from the in between that the joke was that. He's gay. It's that guy. Okay. Yeah. So I was watching this on Sunday night Murray was in bed. She was dead asleep. She woke up to this out, very curious about what it was it sounded like an ape, which is very to be this this actor is if you look up Alex MacQueen, he's like he's a British guy that you've probably seen a million times but his his commitment to being so gross in loathsome. Is like amazing. So the first few minutes of this. I was like, I don't know. And then it it really want me over. So that's Sally forever. On Sunday nights. Check it out four my plug nothing for me this week. So I'm going to mention our friend and former co worker Zac hug has been writing hallmark movies. Not just hallmark movies. You guys fucking countdown to Christmas movies. So you can already check out row. Christmas which premiered two weeks ago? And this Sunday November eighteenth that APM e t he wrote Christmas in evergreen, Colin letters to Santa Zach is a delight. I know people love hallmark movies. And this is like part of the Christmas season for many people. So please hold Zac hug in your heart. And check out his hallmark movies. All right, Mark. Would he got I? Got a couple of around. The dials. Couple of shows on Amazon highly anticipated follow up to madman by Matthew whiner. All the Romanovs. Which has been a real mixed bag. Early after. Heme shopping at all around Hollywood, Amazon finally just opened up the floodgates of money gave him complete creative control. She responded by just making a kind of like giant mess. So we're about. What are we about five episodes? Anyone else watching it trying to keep up? No about politics show. That's loosely based around the the Romanov family. Of Russia and each episode is you know characters have some kind of connection to that. Sometimes you don't know whether or not the really Romanoff's, they all believe themselves to be or represent themselves that way and. Really the biggest disaster so far two weeks ago episode that had. Andrew rattles and Diane lane in EPA somewhere. For some reason, you thought it would be a good idea to tackle story of a man who is a perhaps falsely accused of sexual misconduct. To- good. This is a problem that he has his own life that arose after madman was off the air with onto the writers on the show him. He stood accused of what did he say exactly to her to anyone have this a fifth of their said, he owed it to her. She owed it to him to let him see her naked. Let me see your daycare. And that's the money's for. So there's an episode that deals with that. And very clumsily Vika. I'd read a good seven apiece dealing with. But a disaster. This was I read the same one was enjoyed the scathing secondhand I'm ever gonna watch that shit. I was it's a huge letdown. Because Batman is you know, one of the greatest shows of all time one of my favorite shows all time it had. Any credible mastery of tone? You know, it was a drama that was extremely funny. It could switch between these tones very well. And it feels like now that he was released from all the constraints AMC put on them. You know, he was always fighting with him over episode length and budget stuff. Amazon seem to have give him no oversight whatsoever. And just let him do whatever he wanted. And so far, it's just you know, it's a big mess. Some of the episodes are pretty good to very good. And some of them are just weird terrible on the other side of the Amazon spectrum is something that is incredibly under hyped. And I think nobody really even knows it exists at its just released sick second season. It's a show called patriot. It is incredible. It is one of my favorite shows of last couple of years. I think the first season ran last year season two was released. Last week. I'm about halfway through the second season. It's a show. I have I've become like the crazy person about like when anybody asks for a recommendation. What should I be watching you have to watch patriot? But at the same time, I know that half the people that are recommended to are gonna absolutely hate it because. It really walks. This incredible highwire of tone. It's it's very dark. It's you know. It's it's really a comedy. But it's shot like drama. So that throws people off I think immediately they're expecting one thing and getting something that's like sort of a Cohen brothers ask kind of dark comedy, maybe even more deadpan. It's it's it's it's extremely deadpan as a story of kind of like a CIA black ops family with Terry Quinn as the patriarch and patriot. Mr. patriot Michael Dorman, his name is I'm sorry. So your bar. You're like the fourth person to bring up this show on around the dial like kind of like who Noor all saying the same thing, which is like this is an under preciado show that like has a tone that you're going to like love it or leave it. But if you love it, it's like singular on TV right now, you become you become mildly obsessed. Yeah. Pass the show. Jeb Lund is like in love with it. It's a favorite show. It might be my favorite show on right now. It's well, we should get another shot. We watch the premier and then kind of bailed on it. But I watched to last I watched these I think episode three and four of season two last night. And I will say this episode three is one of the best episodes of television I've ever seen. It says it is incredible one of the the quirks of this show. And this is going to either make you say, well that sounds really interesting to say, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard is that the main character is a alias is John les C'mon has a habit of of singing folk songs as a release from the darkness of his job is like, you know, an off the books Sast type, and he sings very yours. The were deadpan again. But it's like the number one where the describes a show at Penn song about of what he's going through. And then the third episode. There's a song that plays underneath a really insane, and sort of borderline disturbing bit of physical comedy and. Darkness. It's so good. If any of this sounded even remotely appealing check it out. But here's a fit like, you know, it's like a show you you recommend people. And then you spend ten minutes like I am rambling about like. But you might. Either gonna love it or you're going to be like your total idiot. You have no idea what good things are. And you. Certainly a good company. It comes recommending it. And like like ours, we need to give this other shop because. Yeah, this is like is getting ridiculous. How many people have pitched this to us on the show? And we haven't watched the full I season yet. So sounds like shades of the lung kissed. Goodnight was semi Jackson singing his way through murdering people. All right. Well, this this we promise me and Tara will give it another shot. And we will also report back soon on on patriots one. Indeed. All right. Thirty. Here's a show. That's not good real housewives of New Jersey. Still watching it though, not only by still watching it. I realized two-thirds of season eight was still sitting on my DVR as of last week. So I watched all this shit over the weekend to get caught up to the season nine premiere. Yeah. Really do not recommend that that is a lot of dead yell stoves uncanny valley face even credits cast anyway, if you were thinking of bailing on the show because of Sigi flicker from last season, she is out but a couple of caveats. There are two new housewives the season. So if like me, you hate change, especially in real housewives franchises, which but more ridiculous place to resist change. But anyway, you have a difficult time adjusting to the newbies look out for that. And if also like me, you have a difficult time not wanting to find Teresa Jude ice and acre in the tits. It looks like her whole NAMA, stay whatever is in for a backside this season, at least when it comes to playing her brother of her sister-in-law in cringe away that is like inappropriately competitive for a sibling relationship, so businesses usual. Plus, I think we're going to have to see her additioning thongs for her Bunka, Lou competitive bodybuilding outfits. Which is going to be super of setting. We didn't do this in Union County. So I don't know what's going on everything. The worst old me if you're still watching this. I'll see you on Twitter. For my plug related. I have a podcast with my esteemed colleague, and owner of the Blankenship chair. Mark blankenship. It's called market Sarah talk about songs, and that podcast has an auxiliary podcast in which Dan rookie and Tracy Petacci. Nick, rea- badgen the vanity singles of real housewives as folksongs their versions are actually quite beautiful. The originals are thing that occurred. We have not yet contemplated. Daniel stoves real close. But next month money can't buy you pike cast will be addressing that very song. And then Tracy's reimagining same. So you can subscribe to market sur- talk about songs wherever fine podcasts are not sold and those money can't buy you podcast episodes just pop up in the same feed. So if you're looking for a folk version of Dan hill stops real close, and who among us it cetera subscribed to market Sarah talk about songs. All right. So before I get into my show hot off the presses. Tara your buddy a page. Oh, PASCAL is. In fact, the lead in that Star Wars series the. So registrations to me winter me encourage reasons to me. No now, you have a reason to watch the Star Wars. Together. So. I am back this week with another day for sitting courtesy of Brennan. Brizo frequent gametime contributor before. I tell you what it is about. Perhaps we can let the show tell you what it is not about not about the eighteen Charles, Georgia windows. More wonder. Magnum PI or macgyver active life. The head of the company. Great American hero. This is oil drums an episode from season. Two of the cartoon. Teen titans. Go which is a follow up season two. Just teen titans without going, I guess. I guess the original one was sort of an action one this is more about their home life and kind of more of a comedy sorta like all the characters living under the same roof sitcom, but it's cartoon about DC superheroes. So you got Robin cyborg somebody named raven beast boy, and maybe somebody else. I can't remember I've never watched this before I have heard about it before. I have to say that this episode was really funny, and it's pretty obvious. Why Brennan picked it? It's all about the importance of watching TV without. Myself. It's just TV cyborg. Just. Best boat. It's a by life sitting in front of that guy teaches be live less, maybe laugh and filled lots of empty time. Wow. You sound like a crazy person. I think we could use this opera unity to take a break from TV. Because concerned parents have theorized for decades that TV rocks, new brain. That's obviously ridiculous TB keeps your brain active, healthy anthro. So there's a premise of the show the episode picks up when cyborg who is the cyber guy. You may remember him from actual vs Justice league beside that I did not sidebar declares. He's got the three letters to solve the group's boredom. And those are VHS in his own words. He's got VHS for days team, Robin. Immediately makes viewing suggestion on hearing. This was one of my favorite parts of the episode. You're not gonna see the crazy like crooked teeth animation during this, but it's medic enough that you get the gist again. I love. That cat. Kids show is pretty darkened weird. Awesome for kids show. The problem is they wanna watch V H S tapes of eighty shows, but the can't find the remote anywhere sidebar goes through the coach cushions he's finding all this weird shit, including a gold prospector named sticky. Joe who lives down there? It's just this weird. Crazy what the fuck moment. That's like right up. My alley. So no way to operate. The TV the teed titan gang brainstorms on ways to kill time. And on this point. I heartily agree with them. We just whatever people did for fun before TV. Oh, I've heard of those. Is just a walking true. So as their time with TV lengthens cyborg makes a terrible factory discovery. We haven't been watching TV exactly just TV keeps your brain. From writing information. So the episode never ever. Let's go the flip concede. That TV is the thing that keeps your brain from rotting, and it's all the outdoors stuff that your mom and pop want you to do that's really actually to blame. But never actually let's go of that in the credits and the post credits or anything, and I really appreciate that. So the issue comes to a head when with the positive effects of TD, the teen titans brains except for cyborg who has been watching more TV in. But so he's a little more resistant their brains completely wrought, and we get clipped by here. It's so nice out. It's. Minicamp? I'm taking a French class. Pure crazy. Basically. So that's old man. TD flies into the house. He kind of looks like a TV with like Ned Flanders face on. It really weird. He breaks down the front door. And then he takes cyborg into like various eighties TV shows locate the missing remote, which they bring back and finally turn on the TV saving the rest of the teen. Titans. Fixing our brains TV though problems. I was thinking beautiful day. Why don't we all want to hike perhaps taking some culture? Just messing with you. That's how the episode ends. It's really exceeded expectations. I was prepared. Well, first of all the eighteenth. So like the fact that they well first of all real shows mentioned on another show of really rare, especially for kids show that they pegged it to the team speaks to me personally. But the tone is sorta like dexterous lad means clone high the animations very similar to both of those you'll very crisp like power puff girls for a show. Like that in the voice work is obviously, very energetic, as you can hear always sort of wary of doing kids shows on extra hug, great because like so much of it is, you know, just for kids. And then like, God bless if you like it, but always feel like I'm the guy like why a novel shaming people if it's not up to my standards like that as a kid show. You know, make a confession about this and it being a kid show. Yeah. I let my four. Year old watch it for. For a small amount of time. It happened to be on TV. Once we put it on. And he probably watched about four episodes at a row, they're pretty short. Most of it went over his head. But he was having a good time with with generally. That's good. And I think like that family even though it's explicitly not for four year olds. Yeah. That kinda shows rare where you can actually, you know, it works on different levels for the kid for the four year old for the ten year old and then for the thirty five year old watching like that's pretty rare and most of those just work at the five year old level, and you're bored. Shitless if you're have to watch it with, you know, your niece or nephew or or saunder daughter, but this was actually like generally funny. And of course, you know, for TV minded podcast and people on this, hopefully, speak to them. I was just surprised that the show was this funny. The episode is called oil drums because they're explain. Inning that the team usually foils people by making stuff out of Idaho. We'll stuff really funny stuff. And glad I watched it. This is a was a revelation. If you have watched the entirety of the series. I would love to hear about other episodes that are on this level because there was a lot of them out. They're all ready David at Cole f why would appreciate some tips on that. All right. It's time. We finally figured out. How to do it minis have been gone for a while? We kept saying we're going to do many only episodes when we're going to miss shows problem is we haven't been missing shows. We haven't had to fill in gaps. So we thought why not have them on the main show? So with further do we are now. Introducing the extra credits segment and tar you wanna take a premier. Sure, this extra credit is called American royalty. Cory writes, pick one American TV actor to marry into British nobility, Allah, Meghan, Markle and AJ Langer. If you don't know about AJ, Langer, Google it. What is their new title and pet 'cause which of their co-stars will come to the wedding? And as elaborate as he like pip pip, thank you for the British ISM. I will go first there aren't that many young royals to marry off anymore, but I found one from the British Royal family to marry so. So so the the eligible Royal is Princess Beatrice of York. This is Prince Andrew's daughter, not the one who just got married her sister. And for her I have paired her with Michael Vartan. Here's why this is a guy we know from much of his TV work has no problem taking a backseat to a female partner who outshines him in every way. Do I think he's dream boat? Yes has aged since alias. No. He's totally hot. But he does not seem like he's the type to be threatened. If you know his partner kind of eclipses him with whatever she's got going on. And you know, she's a Princess. So that's going to happen for his title. I couldn't find a list of like available dukedom. I went with Duca von on -tario just because that is a real place. It is in the Commonwealth, and that was his name on Elliot's co-stars who would attend probably not Jennifer garner since he dated her on Elliot's, and they are not. Still together and therefore probably not Victor Garber either. Because he is like her surrogate father, I R L now. But since he co starred with Bradley Cooper on the short live kitchen, confidential, maybe the two of them have that going on still plus their French-Speaking Broden them. And I can also imagine Josh Henderson and autumn Reeser being fame Horry enough to wanna come over even though they only did two seasons of the arrangement with him pet 'cause I'm gonna say foreign language education. Because as I already mentioned Madhu is franche, Mark. I am going to select as my American TV actor. I did not do the research to find him an open slot in. Somebody else will have to find this person is a Royal mate. But I'm going with Jake Johnson from new girl love Levin. Yeah. Right. I did not also research real titles. We'll just make him Earl of slacker for Shire. And his pet cause will be improving British beer. Yeah. Yeah. I think the whole gang shows up for sure to the wedding Schmidt and Winston Jess then coach shows up only at the very end. Good solid. New girl joke for all the fans out. Indeed real heads. I am sending Jenna to one into the heart of the British aristocracy. She'll be marrying Gregory most in the seventh baron Mostyn. And I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that name because based on his landholdings he appears to be will. So it's probably actually pronounced Tom Jones. But in. Geno will continue her animal rights, activism and will attempt to infuse the British food scene with decent vegan options, a challenge to be sure. But I believe in her and her very pretty hair. Which is east end co-stars will both attend the wedding. And film the reunion movie, which is of west cross four of the shows fans have been clamoring for love it. All right. So since Nick Offerman, and Ron Swanson are basically the same people sort of conflated them here. But that's who I'm sending over. He falls in love with Princess Tammy third and becomes the Earl of sandwich. Why about leave any threat of meat on the floor of your clean car as he says, I leave no meat behind? It's an honor thing. Now, if that's not royalty. I don't know. What is he has no causes because everybody's should be self-sufficient. But secretly teaches British children how to make canoes in his Royal woodworking. That is next. And that is the cannon this week. Mark Lazinski is presenting take it away. Mark. I presenting episode thirteen season two of thirty rock succession, thirty rock universally agreed upon by any human being sense of humor to be trusted. One of the best sitcoms of all time, perhaps the best that would be argument for another day not fight that right now one only has to look at the extra hot great candidate self or four episodes of NBC comedy of already been tried for Todd logical proof of thirty Raxworthy. This. But today, I'm here at fifth entry to pantheon. And quite frankly, I'm shocked shocked. I say the my nominate has not already found his place of glory as worthy is the other inductees are we'll call it an oversight, and we hope to rectify in the coming minutes. So here's humbly submitted succession episode thirteen three wreck second season. It's twenty one minutes. Fall two tracks story I involves Jack Donaghy attempts to wrest control in General Electric from the scheming hands of done banks, the treacher son-in-law to be retiring chairman, Don Geiss. As part of the plan for succession. Hey, there's the title Jack's decided elevate feckless confidante, Liz lemon into vacating position of heavies. Coast television, microwave, programming complications ensue as Liz tries ingratiate herself into the old boys club with the company, mostly by drinking herself into utterly mobile. Livian along the way John case falls into a diabetic coma. At an opportune moment, thanks games as way in power behind feral flower, eating fiancee, happy Geiss and Liz decides she's not executive material there, you have your perfect any story, but the b story, well, it's all timer, and that's our main concern today. So let's dive in Jack and Liz arrived dealing with succession related issues which can with TJ star and proud father, Tracy, Jordan, humiliated when he discovers the central junior to embarrassed by old man to let them participate in bring your dead school day, Tracy having already worked his feelings in the moment and his trademark shirtless way. Resolve to do something important to earn his sons respect it quickly rejects the standard pathways to paternal regard, Senator wizard Oprah like patron of an African school still realize needs to do something that will change the world after frustrating brainstorming session with Kenneth a page, it decides to clean his mind pellet. Here's clip one. At you carbonated drink. It sounds like soda pop. There was leaving your children legacy that will live forever. So hard spend half an hour. Maybe we should take a break mister Jordan year. I need to clear my foot sickles. Which one of my favorite pastime, shall I Jin? Video games or pornography? That's it. Make a porn video game. Having smashed the unlikely peanut butter of erotic filmmaking unexpected chocolate of gaming Tracey takes the reese's of sudden inspiration to the only logical person cat TGI resident dirtbag Frank Frank skeptical. This is area of expertise after all and studied at thoroughly charts are involved as a trip to the filthy uncanny valley or actual abominations do their nasty business. Here's clip to a porn video game. I can't be done looked try history's greatest perverts of Dr while Disney. Larry, Flint, the Japanese, but they can't do it because of the candy valley. Let me show you check out this chart, you see as artificial representations of humans, become more and more realistic. The reach a point where they stopping endearing become creepy. Tell it to me and Star Wars. All right. We like our two two and see three PO the nice and wave a real person. Why can't solo he acts like? He doesn't care, but he does but down here we've CGI stormtrooper or Tom Hanks in the polar express scared to me out. That's the problem you're in the valley now and it's impossible to get out. That's where you're wrong. I was born to design video game with characters get weird when each other for golden points. My genius will not be denied. I'm like won't talk. You'll like that guy. That was always jealous of Mozart Sally airy. No, thank you are ready eight you will not deter me. Who is going to remember that name, Tracy, Jordan? Well, let's bows are versus Celje reference. Just be one of the throwaway lights. Nobody does better thirty rack. Or will? We descend deeper into fever dream to nine hundred eighty five PECS picture when are dangerous probably already know the. And if you didn't maybe get a hint at our next shot of Tracy throws of creation, furiously scribbling notes as classical score begins to swell. Here's clip three. I've never seen this Mr. Jordan this project is consuming. No my life. No my purpose doing this children. Jeez, come alive like toys when your back is turn. Let's see potential for Radha everything around me. This Cup betrayal. You can. Well, I am wearing a cuff trouser today. Pretty what are you doing even wardrobe? I'm inventing a porn video game. Let this work. No one is to starve him. Don't breath ping can't be done. I would've solved a long time ago. Yeah. Maybe Franklin half Tracy was already far down the path to greatness, passed out on his catch on the Paul up to try to spray Shen Q the strings acute clip for. He finished not yet. But don't disturb can't keep going this. He was up for six hours straight. Team. And now pile discovery of conscious. Don, Geiss and overlap are two stories as call goes out for qualified medical help or two doctors pitcher Evan Cape billowing behind him as you've rushes through the halls to Geis's bedside stopping only to coax bag of many pretzels from a nearby venting. Meanwhile, Frank's Overmach salary does his best to collect alert squeeze of his arch, preserved perverted mind, grapes. It does not end well for him genius prevails. Ambitions destroys its porn stash in a fit of thwarted ridge clip five. Become trio drew come to court. Do you go to fast? One day. Indeed. And one of the game itself was Tracy's a ham Esther stroke. We don't find out until season three premiere. That are interactive nookie move sixty one billion units of Gord. Gazza colon the legend of dogs slayer that persona has no fluttering capes product virtuosic to an Oscar winning below Forman opus. It's no succession back to the road hand here right now left like Frank knee-deep in shredded girly MAGS tangles of angrily. Unspoiled VHS tape screaming our own pleaded that have put this in the canon. Villi we should start with Sarah who doesn't watch the show as regularly as David idea. He and I can close it out says go ahead you get one kid pitch in life chose. Well, this outstanding. I had filled an entire page of my notebook with notes by minute. I'm going to say eight just votes. Many of which were from the plot. But I thought it was really even more really int- watching this Amadeus Oma after discussing homecoming. And all the music cues that I was finding that we're familiar in that and then having worked at thirty rocket seeing this doctor in slow MO and his like huge Cape. And wondering how many takes it to like these are these are not that long. You know, have any stood have my favorite part of that scene is opens up his medicine doctors bag there's crumpled Bill gingerly sitting on top of everything. That that's the way he passes banks. There's there's a single Bill right there. It's not an wallet doing anything. Yeah. Lofted there. Yeah. This was great fun to watch. There were a million throwaway lines the whole scene at with lose being business drunk at the table. Like you sucked on. I mean is it was fantastic. And then that her business hair is like immediately collapsing. The the collapse continues all and Kathy in the background like eating a flower. Good one of my kid in criteria. As listeners know is that. Is whether I want to just keep watching after the canonical. Episode has come to an end. And I certainly did so yeah. Excellent presentation, very focused. You did it in one day. And I will turn it over to. I go. Okay. Yeah. I think he did a great job on the the the porn plotline. The. Tracy dancing with the banner with shirt off crush. Crush crying in the classroom, embarrassing the kids. I mean, it's it's great and all the the Amadeus references to excellent. But they feel like you gave slightly short shrift to the plot. So I just wanted to talk a little bit about that. Dr Smith Shelvin hilarious, all of the stuff that happens after Don Geis's coma where he's like. Trees shoots up with placebo. 'cause he thinks he might be faking can't give a shot of adrenaline. 'cause no one knows where the human heart is. And then gets on the phone. Call for diabetes repair. I guess it's like one of my favorite doctors, the Chattan lines. This is also have also. Syringe? And all the stuff with Liz known short circuit one of the moments that I know I don't want to pre-empt one of the things I know Dave is going to mention because it's it's one of his favorites from from this episode and from the series, which by the way when this canon submission came in we've been watching thirty rock for like past week and a half. So we're we were just a little bit passes. But it was of course, a pleasure to revisit it again. And I love business. Liz, how quickly she gets into the swing of, you know, throwing around trash talk over lunch. And what bullshit it all is? She just like can't believe this is really a job like what they're getting away with for the little that they're doing. But also I like her interaction with with Don where he. The premise of this episode is that she's about to be an executive and replace Jack. And he asks her to go, and like Hauser, Honey Esther, go get him something to eat, and she just like roles with because you know, it's it's not a big moment, which this. She says. Yes. But I you know, I work for tips. And it's just like the tone of voice, it's partly that she's drunk, but also partly like, this is a man in his seventies. There's no point trying to educate him about you know, who you are. And how to treat people like you just you just go along with it. But also the Steph with Devon and his sham engagement to Cathy. Who by the way? Sarah. I don't know if you realize that's that's Marceline who go who's like very dignified as one of the the guilty remnant in the leftovers, and she also that whole sequence and better call Saul. Exactly. Yes. I did does this. There's other episodes where she's like running up against a wall like trying to break door stuff. Like, really if you've ever seen her do anything else. It's crazy that she's also Kathy. But anyway, little wardrobe touches on Devon also just the right amount of that. Yes. Outfitted his his party, which is a Maeve feed. I think it's actually a scoop neck. Yes, he's he to to just give it a mentioned back to when we were talking about Seinfeld. A couple of weeks ago with eve, and she was asking like can we still enjoy the contest knowing what we know now about voyeurism, what's okay, and so forth. I don't think even she was that committed time. But I do think that Devon in the early seasons like him being a closeted gay guy or not really like being fake straight for the Cathy story line is like one of the things that hasn't aged super-duper. Well, but I do think that the show kind of came back from it later by having him be like living, very happy out gay life and have a husband and be raising kids. And like I feel like they course corrected on Devon. But you know, at the time this is like well wasn't really that long ago was nine years ago. Seven this episode. Yeah. Yeah. So so some of it. Does does feel a little icky? If you think about it too much. So I'm not going to because it's funny. Dave, but that's sort of like Tina Fey projects. There's always something a little issue. But it's somewhere along the line. Right. That is weird blindspot sometimes, but we were watching one of the ones from season three that we were watching last night was where she's she's giving out advice as dealbreaker Intel's. Couple of no bisexuality isn't real. That's something. They just made up to sell hair product, probably not a line that would make it into a show. Now, I heard always if it's funny enough. It's it goes, it doesn't really that's one is one of her blind spots. They don't seem to ever go past that true. Dave. Dave. Okay. So obviously, the Mozart stuff is inspired and bark did a great job laying it out or me, the one single funniest thing about this episode is business. Liz who has by this point in the episode committed to being business. Liz as accepted. This giant salary has gone out has started blaming Durga nsen for all things that go wrong, and she now has to fill her spot or at least bring somebody up with her. So she goes to Pete and says, no, I'm taking you up with me. And he's no I can't do it. I too much responsibility. I'm not a manager. And then she does the same thing that Jack early are Jack shows her gives piece of paper. This is the starting salary, and she's just slaps them just can't container energy the slaps them. So when she does the same thing to Pete, of course. He slaps her. But she just turns around in perfect comedy, timing and dismounts. I know. Fucking thing on this episode of my favorite moments at thirty rock. It cracks me up every time. It's just like such a perfect little beat Terry on top of everything the other that I really liked watching up as for team time is one of the exact line. But Liz, basically just tells Jack to to lighten up, you know, MiG does some line about. Well, here's a tampon and the act out is him gingerly stuffing, this tampon into inside breast pocket of suit. Just kind of looks to the side a little bit not embarrassingly. But this is like, well, this is, you know, and that's. And that's the commercial break. Preserve this cracked me up. There's so many moments like that of like tiny Alec Baldwin physical business on the show that like you could really have an excellent gift library of that just that sort of not underlined, but still there commentary about how easily Liz can adapt to the casually sexist business. Liz version of herself, what's the matter? You get your period. And it's like, yeah. That's what you're surrounded by as business. Liz. So it's a good or I mean, the problem with thirty rock is like, I agree with Mark. It's it's my favorite sitcom is is one relic rewatch. I can do every year. Not get tired of it. Don't know. Like, how many more thirty rock's? We could put in the canopy for gets ridiculous. I know we have like seven or eight Simpson's. And again, and that's how the canons started. But it's hard to say no to thirty rock. You know, if they're pretty strong, and and this is one of the strongest so I'm going to say, yes when it comes to voting which is right now. So for me. Yes. Saturday bunting. Yes. Tar area. Yes. Already then I vote. Yes. All right. That means thirty rock season. Two episode thirteen six session you here by our dog that into the extra great, Kenan? Level. And will not tolerate. No. It's time for winner. And a loser. The week winner this week, Sarah. What do you got Jesse pink men? Be it. Hit the breaking bad movie is happening Vince Gilligan is attached. And apparently is just like not just going to happen. It's like happening right now. Like, they're already in the desert getting set up to shoot this thing. So very exciting and not least for our friend in esteemed colleague, Alan seven wall. Who can now do breaking bad one too. Attachment to his excellent book breaking bad one. And loser Lee. I have loser ice tea who revealed last week. He's never even the big. What's funny? He missed the cut for loser last week. Right. No. Yeah. Because he got yes, he got arrested for blowing through a toll booth or something. But yeah, he he's he's also never had coffee. I don't think that's such a big deal because I haven't either. But yet never eaten a bagel. How do you spell Pagel? Didn't he? Yes, you did. Oh, yeah. He spelled like bugle. Yeah. I mean, I guess I get it. But I mean, but I don't know. He's like you work Linden, New York, right? We'll yeah. It's one of those things where like after enough time, it becomes a thing that you're like consciously doing to keep streak going like my running out of rooms in which Star Wars is on like just fucking watch. Read a bagel iced tea. Yeah. Well. Die on time. As soon as this came out like everyone started rushing, their content of what should I t's first bagel be without there having been any indication that this is something he's agreed to do. But like bagels are good. Just a key to cinnamon raisin big. Because that's book, I think of ice tea with the bagel shop. He was the everything bagel, and he would definitely go for that. Because everything on they have those things on craft service tables. Yeah, it doesn't even have to go out of his way. Now, speaking of things everything on it. Do you know time it is? Okay. Imagine that ice tea skit with John Mullany except instead of dead people's all big people bagels questionable. Pass. All right, guys. This is the first game time of the new season today. We are playing a letters from Filo from Raymond see who earns himself an extra credit redeemable for an extra hot, great extra credit, many topic. What are we calling those now? So-called Many's extra Hake cigarette. Yes. Accredit topic? Okay. Extra credit topic or day, forcing of his very choosing. All right in this game. I am going to read you the log line of show. That's the result of a one letter chained to the title. Playing three rounds? First round we change one letter. Second round we add a letter final round. We subtract a letter. Oh, boy, gimme the title of this one letter off show for two points or as for a hint. And I'll give you one of these star actors from the show after which the answers good for one point. Here is an example that I made up because I realized I didn't have an example don't play to put up blame it for this one. Join a crew in a five year mission of exploring the galaxy to find new life arms to push knives into. Chained one letter you get the title of this show. That is stabbed trick. I was I was actually letters. All right, guys. Well, this'll be interesting before we start. Let's get the stewing situations are area, please steel mills. Okay. Sarah debugging has nine steel meals. Valued guest this time that would be you Mark have three steel meals. I have zero steal meal so marked. So you know, if another player misses an answer you can jump in before Dave gives the correct answer. Go steal. But it would have to be after. I mean after I guess. Wrong if they get it wrong. Yeah. Yes. Can we guess and then no get the hand you either have to guess for two points or ask for the hint for one point you don't okay? Okay to double dip on this one. So with that in mind, let's throw it to the person in control choosing initiative aka picky to see who is going. I. We will start with Sarah. All right. We're gonna go, Sarah. And I'm going to go to Mark. And then Tara are we ready to play letters from Filo? Here. We go. Remember round one changing a letter changing a letter, not adding a letter, which is what was in my mind for the example. A widower tries to survive as a single parent while juggling allegiances to three crime families. Guests for two as for hint. And then we'll go to one point Jobling allegiances to. I'm a widower try survive as a single parent will juggling allegiances a three crime fine. I need a hint. All right. Your actor. Fred macmurray. Mcmurray mcmurray. Yes. Fred bread, Colin friend. Good for you. Oh, you built he'll meal from Markle's Zante right out the gate. Your guess my my three don's three dawn. Why do I know who Fred macmurray is everybody knows because when you got home from school? My three sons was one of the shitty sitcoms that was on between three thirty. Mark Mark, your is your actual question. In this reality series, abandoned, lockers, full of preserved food are sold to the highest bidder. Hoping to flip them for a tidy profit. Guess for two points can ask for somebody from the show Rita again for you series, abandoned, lockers, preserved food are sold to the highest bidder. Hoping to flip them for a tidy profit. One letter has been changed from the real show to create this show. I know the show, but I can't think of that. The letter. Kick myself talking to it. What do you think the real show is storage wars, we got preserved food highest bidder? George jars. Oh my God. Gave me way. Too much time to do Sarah d bunting now Fairview Cario. Yep. Hi, pal high. Tar a panel of improv comedians are asked to identify different types of sausage. Who's link is it anyway. Sarah, d bunting. Every week a challenger faces off against a master chef to see who can create that toughest jerky in one hour. Astor chef. Toughest jerky. Damn it. Okay. I need a hit. All right. Your hint is the chairman. Oh. What would be the letter that I wanna say iron beef. But that can't possibly be right 'cause that's two letters changed. So the toughest jerky. I heard. I do not know. Anybody? All right. The answer is iron to iron. All right, Zante were a male housekeeper. Looks for Qatar is to join his rock band. Male housekeeper looks for a Qatar to join his rock band. If you you can go for broke answer right now. Give it to me. One more time a male housekeeper looks for Qatar issed to join his rock band. The base. Correct. Well on the show, and it takes me second. I had the show, but no idea good job. Our quibble a bass player in a guitarist or not the same thing. But see all right here. We go. This Tara a pair of fashion consultants help average people overcome their phobias. What not to fear fear, two points? Sarah. Sergeant pepper. Anderson is an undercover officer issues. Tickets for rude behaviour. Sergeant hamper Anderson I need to hit Angie Dickinson. Yes. Do you know what? Part of me, polite woman, polite, gipper point, all right? Mark this ashamed. Tired and get this one. But here we go. You'll cry tears of rage as this show profiles a handful of criminals whose blood alcohol content was off the charts when they were arrested. Give me, please. Okay. You're hint. John walsh. Oh. America's most wasted ways to. All right. Tara, a young doctor tries to balance her professional and personal life as she is trying to find the perfect flavoring for gum toothpaste and shut ni. The minty. To sara. The first episode of this competition series a group of would-be chefs get yelled at by the jerky, inventor of the telephone. Bills kitchen. Enter a panel of celebrities tries to dentistry the fibers that came from a mysteries. Guests sweater. God. Liberty is trying to guess the fire fibers from St. tests tried to identify the fibers that came from a mystery guests sweater, I need. All right. Your hint. John Charles Daly. This is an old one give you that. Then real old. Oh, man swatch game. Steel steel bells. What's my lint? What's my lint? Correct. All right as good steel mill there Tara. Yep. High school students in an honors program. Led by creative teacher vied to engineer. The perfect mollusc. Oh, high school students in an honors program by creative teacher by to engineer. The perfect mollusc. I feel like I know the show. But I think I I mean, I think I have the show wrong rather, go give me a hit. Well, let's hear it out before we get what do you think the show is? Whoops. Sorry, depressed that. All right. Your head. You just said head of the class, by the way over that buzz. Your hint, our Hessman great. Bead of the class. I've no idea. Oh, mark. I Mark out of the clamps head of the client. Good for a point. Okay. Sorry about all the miscues air on my buzzers. All right back to Sarah, a family with three boys and three girls who all failed to make the starting lineup. The Brady bench Brady bench. Or Mark camaraderie of a team of Beata lifeguards is upset when one of their members flies away on a broom. Hey, which. Tar area that in this daytime syndicated show people bring their small claims cases before a magistrate who finds the truth with the aid of Japanese martial arts. Oh. Kit. I think it's the people's court. But I don't know how that works. With K hint. Do the shine. Lynn. Oh, judge judo judo. Good. All right, Sarah. Yeah. After a near fatal accident of women is reconstructed with artificial body parts and devotes her life to making films about the lives of famous people. After a near fatal accident. A woman is reconstructed with artificial body parts and devote her life to making films the lives of famous people. Miss people. Bio pic woman. God. All right. This is question. Seventeen. Mark a young woman moves to the Hamptons and calculates the amount of money received during the fiscal quarter of the company of the family who framed her father for treason. A young woman moose to the Hamptons and calculates the amount of money received the fiscal quarter of the company of the family who framed her father for treason. Can't think of the day of the show. But I. The show. Like, I said don't other show. I know it's that. So one that one thing the one with the one with Emily van camp? Yeah. Yeah. Steal it. Someone steal it. All right. Got that one. No, no the. Well, I can't get a point for it. But is it revenue revenue? Correct. I see are as the real stinker by not having these rhyme. He's he's really thought this through good job. All right, Tara. Yep. The crew of the starship enterprise is replaced by salamanders. She's giggling. Yeah. The crew starship enterprise is replaced by salamanders. You want? The hint. Star trek. But I I'm scared. It's one of the spin off so in. All right. Your clue Patrick Stewart. Okay. Dr. Star Trek the new generation. Okay. This is nineteen. Ended of course is for Sarah, the house mother at a boarding school guides girls through adolescence by teaching them about the physics of flight. The physics of the house mother at a boarding school guides her girls through adolescence by teaching them about the physics of flight. Hope this is right. The facts of lift. Now, we're all hoping for the farts of life. A fictionalized version of the crater of Seinfeld struggles to stay true to his actions diet. Car beer through Seattle too. All right. This is going to take us to the end of round one four Tara in the future. Every police officer is paired with an Android which can cook a close replica of Chinese food. But not quite. Almost who non almost who. Correct. And that brings us to a first break. I this could scarcely be a closer game. Sarah. And I are tied with ten points each Mark has eleven all right, Mark leading the pack is long game or running along the episodes. So we're going to skip the equalizer challenge zone this week get right back with round to adding a letter adding a leading. But there will be an extra letter got extra letter now to Sarah, this reality show follows a group of married princesses who may catty comments behind each other's backs. Berry two princesses. Yes. And I'm going to give you a little extra him. Because technically, the answer isn't. It's a franchise rather than regal housewives is the regal house. Markle's anti this Ed worthy drama chronicles. These social upheaval created one a monastery opens near city hall. This editor drama chronicles the social upheaval created when a monastery opens near city hall. You'll forget you can ask for the command Bonneville. Oh, okay. Downtown abbey downtown abbey. We all thought it was called the first time we heard which is the actual title of the show tar area. Type it every time teams compete to met the most popular answers from a survey of one hundred psychoanalysts. Oh shit. Emily freud. Guys. We're all tied up all tied up. All right. Sarah vaunting, this one's from picky to you. A man uses his talking car to fight crime while working as a reporter at a major newspaper conglomerate. Ritter. Levitt Fatu, Mark Polaris consequences in ensue. When an officer marines tries to balance his work, his family and back that he is as ambi- major dead. Tara, Wisconsin Mantilla's is European cousin about American culture as they commit a series of murders. Perfect stranglers hurt. Oh. Sara, this is everybody's last question around to starting with Sarah. A junk dealer is constantly at odds with his father the founder of a prestigious university. Stanford and son. This might be my favorite one of the game for Mark two F B I R every vote this run so politics to Raymond if he doesn't quite recognize what every wrote a little. To FBI agents investigate paranormal phenomena involving boneless cuts of meat. The X fillets. Laugh question around to Tara contestants receive a prize of moderate value and have the option of exchanging it for mysterious Dicker. Contestants receive a prize of moderate value and have the option of exchanging it for a mysterious sticker. I need a hint Monty hall. Let's make decal. Decal go for one point. And that takes us in two seconds curbing. Still very close. I have fifteen points now. Sarah and Marc are tied with sixteen each. All right now, everybody has three questions left so six points available to everybody. Here have a tiebreaker for comes to that. All right round three taking away a letter. Okay. Yes. Harder. A mystery writer struggles with the injustice inherent in the class system as he works with female the -tective to solve crimes. Cast cast from castle. Correct. Mark key tweak, a different superstitious event craze conflict within a team of female, interior decorators. Each week time each week, a different superstitious event creates conflict within a team of female interior decorators. Shoot the moon or ask for him to denying. That's right. I know the show trying to. Take what away a WalMart time each week different superstitious event, Chris conflict within a team of female, interior decorators. What's that show? Designing omen. Tara. Yep. Organization of British nobleman keeps the peace in a world filled with superheroes. And Clark, Gregg. Oh. An organization of British mobile keeps the peace in a world filled with superheroes. Takeaway one letter. I, you know, still isn't she's go ahead. Go for it. Idea. Up to go ahead. It's fine. I don't know Jensen shield chance of. All right. This is a good one. Is if I jumped fine fine. Sarah, a former White House communications director Rudd's a crisis management firm while wearing a single open. Toed shoe? Sandal? Of course, you're out of steel meals, by the way, Mark before. Thank you, Mark a New York, Dr relocated to Alabama and takes up painting. Art of Dixie aren't correct Tara damn this mystery thriller bore friends tried to unravel the disappearance of the adorable young lead drummer of Metallica. Which really hit on your knowledge of guys tackle, I guess. Nope. I don't know. So in please Ashley Benson Benson. Partly, freddie. Little large pretty low cry for one point. All right. Everybody's last question coming up so quickly the scores. Oh, boy, you guys. Okay. I have sixteen points. Sarah has twenty points has twenty one. All right. No pressure oil. Boy. All right. Put on your thinking caps. Here comes everybody's last question of regulation starting with Sarah. Former contestants from dating show think they're getting a second chance at love. But actually the footage is just going to be used promote the show. They were kicked out of. What's I'm sorry? Read it again, former contestants from dating so think they're getting a second chance at love. But actually the footage is just going to be used promote the show. They were kicked out of. Kicked. Any idea? Sometimes it helps. Data. Well, I don't think it's the bachelor or the bachelorette because he can't really subtracting letters from that. And have it make any sense? So. What else is there temptation island? That makes sense. I keep thinking of the match game or the love connection. I don't know. I need ahead. Chris harrison. Yeah. Don't call this one. You gotta do it. All right. Anybody else nobody else to mills, but can anybody guess what? It's bachelor in paradise. But I don't know how that would work either. Nope. Bachelor ad. Bachelor bachelor. All right. That's mars. Here's your chance to brilliant. But socially awkward physics. Nerds have an idea on how to carry all your purchases after a huge shopping spree. The big big bag, theory course, all right last question of the game for Tara, and collected group of cabdriver is good. Good collective group of cab drivers struggle to fill out their ten forty. Tax tax. You say ten forty one. Oh, four forty two poise. All right. Final scores. Police tara. That was really fun. I ended with eighteen points. Sarah ahead twenty Mark wins. Twenty three. Mark. Thank you. My head hurts. White over yet. We have a tiebreaker that we're going to now use the see who can get a steel mill by guessing the correct answer. First I'll read. Behold description. This is a change a letter. First-person answer wins. The steel mill Mark you're playing for future value guests. Here we go. Does a one plus one really equal to this team of intrepid investigators blows up stuff. The find out if the rumors are true. Best busters BUSTER. Or? So you'd guest. Mark -gratulations. Well, that is it for another episode of extra hawk great. We gobbled up homecomings offerings. Then. Remember? Sitting. I David on behalf of tar area. Sarah, d bunting when did you get microwaves back and Mark lasagna? Explicitly. And we'll see next week right here. Extra buck great bird. Without TV. You'll really notice how long every second is.
The Story Song Podcast: Ariel by Dean Friedman
"It's the new dairy queen. Vegetarian Menu Onion rings, pickles, and that's it this week on the story pack. School! Everybody, welcome back to the story Song podcast on accoring I'm Rachel oakes and the Michael Gazelle ever so we walked through the world of a story song and this week. We are looking into the mouth of madness. Turn, this is. Ariel by Dean Friedman I mean before we get started with anything man I I heard this song for the first time about two hours ago and all I. Have to say is what I just listened to. Yeah. I could go into love. It I also heard this on I think it was on the seventy channel on Satellite? Radio and yeah much like lonely boy. It was definitely a like. What wait a minute? What is happening by this? Was this left me less angry. I was definitely far more delighted. It's a delight. Well, it's the opposite where whereas lonely boy leaves out a lot of the story. Yeah! This is every single. detail. And I'm saying. This is. Lonely boy is. All story, no details this. There's no story this. Details This is a ninety fashion magazine. Because this is details, there's nothing. have. So yeah I like I said. I think this is the rare song that I do think a good song and yet I'd love it. I really legitimately love this song, but also but again. Being fully aware that objectively dishonest, not good, and we're going to get more into into that and to to Misa Friedman's career later on, but. Okay so the story is where in New Jersey. and. Our narrator, our protagonists dean. We'll call him. meets a young lady at the mall He instantly falls in love with her again. We learned a lot of details like she's Jewish Does not see I. Mean that's fine, but it's not seem to. Matter one way or the other? And he tells her that he's in a rock and roll band. She should come see it, she does they go to dairy, queen? His place they watch TV. and they make love at the end and were Oh, enroll so total that will dean has fallen in love with this woman whose name is Ariel. We've also told that she has a beautiful singing voice at no point in the song she sing. and has nothing to do with anything that is the refrain of is how beautiful! So. WHAT DO THEY I? Don't way on the. Side. Berbie. Young. Sang binding vine, Bob Bob. Mark she was working for the breads grief. was. In. A cop she was looking to change, so was I. Let's start at the top here. He says hey, on the would start at the top as if it matters. We can start sideways. It really doesn't matter, but it's just a series of details and the order does not matter. Just just for tradition sake, it started. Says Way on the other side of the Hudson deep in the bosom of suburbia. I met a young girl. She sang mighty fine tears on my pillow and Ave Maria quite the rain. Definitely. End Ave Maria the first thing I want to say. Is that so I believe? Dean lives in New Jersey. In Paris and we'll we can discuss that in a moment, but it is sort of funny. How he saying way on the other side of the Hudson, so that is oriented from New York City. From Manhattan And yet so it's in a way. He's almost seeing himself. Not as the central character in his own story in a way, or not in the central location like he's thinking of himself, as I'm on the other side of the Hudson Right. New York City like I it just. I just find that. Hitting The impression that I got was that he was from New York City and he went out to Jersey. Okay! That is very possible. That's what I winning I wanted sketch what I thought too, or he's. He's keeping in mind. His audience, which is probably clubs in New York, city and they're like. If he just said parameters they'd be like. Where is that mythical place? Any night paramus through the mall is on the other side of the Hudson. Oh you mean New Jersey. I never go there. Yeah and that's the other thing too, is that he doesn't say deep in new. Jersey says on the other side of the Hudson right so again. It's like a you know that's the way so in from from you know some some. Manhattanite Club Goer might even think of it. It's like Oh. That's on the other. That's across the bridge. Exactly I never go. I only see it from my penthouse apartment. But I've never actually been over there. So debate I gotta take half trained to get there. No. There's no way this this hypothetical. We're talking about. They don't even know the term the Pat Oh you. Don't even know what your dot car service all the way. Yeah or at least a taxi, yeah. If for some reason, they have to go to Jersey. City but yeah they. They are not familiar with with the path train. The train goes on a path I know. But the rest of it I don't know what you're talking about the New Jersey. I met a young girl. She sang mighty fine tears on my pillow and Ave Maria now. I think those are if if you do have a good singing voice. I think those are definitely to good socks because tears my pillow is a tough one. That's a very sort of like how you can't really high like I. as a person who is not a good singer, but in the past has done a lot of Karaoke I know the songs in which you when you're not a good singer that you can hide in. The ones where you are exposed. Nakedly exposing singer I never attempted tears on my pillow, but I feel like that's definitely one. That's going to quickly expose you if you don't if you don't have the talent chops. And, then obviously Ave Maria you know is is a is ave, maria sweet. Yeah, it's sweeping song done by the best of the Best Sal I guess she I guess she was was singing Dan, but as as we've already mentioned. This never happens in the song, but is this details here? Ave Maria. You need an operatic voice for tears on my pillow I mean you have to. You have to act your way through that song that is, that's a full performance like if you're not good. But. You're not going to sell it. Where is she singing? Because she just singing in the middle of the mall. I possibly. She was actually a backup singer for little anthony and the imperials, and they don't get into that and that song. Well. She was singing tears on my pillow, but it was her job to sing tears on my pillow. Well, this is the confusing part, and then we get into the next car, I mean listen. The next verse also adds to the confusion because she's clearly a music lover. Yes well then I was GONNA say so. The other thing I like is that obviously they are net there are. This is nine hundred seventy seven science released There are references there are over and subtle references to marijuana. This is definitely a story that like a guy at a party is telling you when and he's like really high, and it's just going on and on and on, and if you're on his wave length, then that's fine. You're oh. Yeah, Oh, I totally. Ave Maria. I totally know you're coming from I. absolutely or you're not. You're just like what is happening this. A. Ramble of random details that don't add up to anything. Standing by the waterfall parameters park. She was working for the friends of the AI. She was collecting cordage paper. She was looking for change and so as I. that's good. That's really. True. That's a great line. The when I heard it I had to be like an I. heard it is to go back and be like wait. Did he just say Oh, well done. Friedman. So setting. Sparks so premise marcus a mall. So she is, she's in the mall and obviously it's the seventies. The seventies or eighties, there's a waterfall in the mall. For no reason. And she's working for the Friends of. Nature I think you've already suggested out, but what that would that means. So. It took me a minute at first. It was like the friends of be i. what is that like a? Is it like? A weird like save the rainforest type thing, but then I realized where we were and its WBAI. It's a radio station be. Yeah so be is a community funded radio stations. She's collecting money for the radio station. I can picture her set up by the way. She's got holding table with one of those banners. And she's got her little like sign up board and her Little Paper Cup for Change. Yeah. Saying Save the Clock Tower. So, maybe she. You're working for a radio station, said no, but the clock tower is our morning drive show so right. Yeah, save it yet, mad dog and the clock tower. CLUCKED! Dog I'm telling, Ya. The giants are GonNa win. Tower all right settle down settle down. And, we'll be back. You make a good Poi- Glock. Told you make a good point, I can't argue done well done. They will go all the way this year. Is Not sports station. that. Bad Dog! That's all I. Guess Sports Guy. Most Okay Jay morning ride search. By the way, good on your damn that you thought I knew that mad dog was a specific. I, Davis isn't that just every radio guys name. I think so. Yeah so. Going back to aerial. Maybe she was singing, maybe part of her. GIG was to set up and sing some songs, and then be like if you want to hear more songs by not me. Right. THAT WOULD BE I. I mean. If you want me to stop singing. Listen to the radio. We need your money. Maybe that's how mounter. Nineteen seventy seven right and she's like a hippy chick who is working for? The friends would be I and she's collecting coins in the mall for the radio station. If were to tell me that her bit was to sing. Loudly to get people's attention, I would. Dad makes total right by belief that that that's what she's doing. Sure. He would find that, very. Odd. Number Back From. said. Life Moroccan. Took the shower put? Blue. Van She wore up. Thousand! On! The podcast. I guess I am. This does feel a lot like okay here we are. We're in the story now. I like it started, and then like each successive detailed really does not add up to anything other than to paint a picture. Especially if Ariel, but otherwise there's not you know. WE'RE NOT GONNA getting. There's no like dramatic irony. Reveal, that's GonNa come in the song any of these details. We'll have mattered I'M GONNA go out on a limb and say that Dean Friedman is of Jewish heritage, so that wine is specifically for his mother. Big Swing. Or. His mother does entergy Louis. Jewish girl and I love her, and his mother said thank thank you. God Yeah. That's that's offering audience of one that's. That's when his mom listen to the song he just. He had slip that in somewhere I. don't worry, it's cool. Yes, go, that's right. I mean all these song. All these details are like sort of observations. She was singing. She was collecting money. She was at the mall. He fell in love with her. Like there's there's a jump well at. Lead the falling in love with her is like slow your roll. Dean because just met her you. Because the next line is him. is her writing his know. Her writing her number on his hand, so they're still at their first introduction, and he's so I feel that Michael I. Understand that but I don't i. don't think he. Shoved his hand out in front of her and said number. Conversation I she was. You know busking for change, but for all the details that he gives, he doesn't give that detail. I walked out and said hello signed him when he says I fell in love with her. I mean I think you know I think he's a love for site. Right I think he's he's. He's smitten with her and I don't think he's necessarily saying. This is the official love of my life forever But yeah, so they they talk which she wrote her number on the back of my hand. I called her up. I was out of breath. And I said come, hear me play in my rock and roll bed. Okay, so we gotta go through this real quick. Her Up. That's fine I was out of breath why? Why As soon as she wrote the number on his hand, he ran to the payphone. On the other side of the mall. But. You gotta be Haller. Cellphone studied seventy seven. Left to to be left a message on owner answering machine. I don't even know what edgy she'd at that point I. Come here Van Play Click. Staying on Dean Friedman. Side I. You guys are not romantic. In the least. He saw out of breath because he's in love with her and he's nervous. The first time he's calling her. I. Nervous to speak to her idol. I don't want your Yuk Yuks right now. He's in love. and. That's what it is. Have have guys come on? Let's respect a little young. Love here, right? Some of our love. But if all the things that happened when you're nervous, I don't I. Don't think being out of breath. Like mentioned often, I've been nervous before I'd never been out of breath for being nerve well, he also did a five. He did a fight would. Say Yeah Doesn't it? Say like if he's had of breath like was he like building a tree house? All Day was e running from a bear like what happened just before he called that he just wake up from a nightmare. Like these are all the reasons you would be out of Braff, you know. Probably, the bear thing, right. Yeah, he's. there. Yeah Rozina production of God's spell like came right off stage. Sorry. Attention I anyway. I was just wondering if you with I to. You. Like you want to call you back in five minutes now? I gotta get. Pre! pair. Do. You want to go see my band. So yeah, okay, so I'm Outta Brett again. A detail that has nothing to do with anything but I do it delightful. So then he's calling from Jacqueline. Who knows maybe yeah, that's the thing. What was it back that yeah I mean. He probably was actually being. The class was probably being taught by Jack. Right Jack Elaine, like there's probably the one location In this class we learn how to pull a tugboat with our teeth. I E class I'm Jacqueline I'm calling from a fitness club. Which is the thing now? Yeah. It was invented last week. We're all very excited about it. So then he says come here. Come here and play my rock and roll band, which obviously her next response to that is. Don't ever call me again. Yeah, this number immediately I'm interested in hearing your terrible rock and roll band right? Thank you anyway. but I mean presumably she says yes. He says I took a shower and I put on my best blue jeans. So I can imagine what Dean's best blue jeans look like. Which means, I do not want to imagine his worst. Bluejeans like whatever the fourth one in the rotation is. That's a real seventies line I put on my best blue jeans. Because we're all cash. It's the seventies everybody, right? Now not so casual that obviously I rank my bluejeans like I have. I have a spreadsheet and when I say spreadsheet I. Don't Mean Excel Sheet. I mean a literal paper spreadsheet. That's all right track the quality of my jeans. But yes I put on my best blue jeans. I picked her up. It's probably like Sergio Valente Right. That in the seventies. Jordache or Jordache eighties. Jordache if you like is more eighty S. Feels like Levi's guy right. Another, yes, could designer jeans I mean, but but it's his best jeans I. Think you probably just when he says his best I think he just means the one with the least number of states, yes. This went only has three stains, and so that's why this is my best. It's all based on the size of the bell bottom. Right well that, too. Yeah, yeah, it could be. OUR COMFORTS There's this there's a there's a a score for least number of stains. Plus batum succumb rights. Divided by belt loop length. These bottoms cover half the floor. These are my best jeans. Best. So. that. He says I picked her up in my new VW, Ban. Alright, which. Well only you know as someone who obviously came later than this just the idea, and of course it had to be, but just the idea at some point that VW vans were new. Get a new one this. Hey? This was he didn't by this to be like a ninety s hipster. Because, that's what was available. He's not turning it into a tiny home. He's just using it. Well I think he's also transporting his banned stuff. That's where he got the the van. That very. Exactly, also cars back then where eighty dollars? Right well, that's true. Every time I could. This could get you get like a drink coupon kind of thing right? Get A car. This is a listen. This is a a a sort of non sequitur, but this is a tangent, but I will the amount of times like I've had conversations with my father, talking about his cars over the years, and in in his teens and twenties. He's like Oh. Yeah, we had this car and then I had that car then hit. This car is like really you get this week. We getting them at a vending machine. It's unbelievable. The amount of cars had back then. I've had two cars in my life and Middlebrook WBZ vans. there. They were both just like stocked with amplifiers. That's right and people always say oh. They don't make them like they used you well. They probably shouldn't because you went through cars like nobody's business. Yeah, Well a thing like first of all, they were super cheap You were constantly wrecking them. in like tragic ways. Right leave. I believe before nine hundred seventy. Every third car in America at some point was possessed by a ghost and that's so. Like you would just get in on a Monday and be like Oh ghost, I have to go get a new car. And he had let go to the dealership and be like. Hey, I have this voucher from the government. Because my car has a ghost. Maybe we'll just pick off the lot. Sir, yeah, right ahead. The great thing about those goes cards thing never breakdown. They fixed themselves. They literally fixed themselves. Now. Find you. Well. That's the tough part. was going to say. If, you're not paying attention. They will slowly drift. Pose a great. Attempt to kill you. But other than that I mean yeah, they've ram like a dream solid solid car. so he picks her up in my new W. Van. She wore a peasant blouse was nothing underneath. which oh a peasant blouse peasant blast I thought it was a pleasant Blouse Mike, it also probably was pleasant but again like painting a picture of a late seventies, Jewish PIPPI girl so she's. She's wearing a peasant blouse with nothing underneath Again and out of detail, not a detail that's necessary, but you know speaking as a red, blooded American male. It's one I appreciate. And then he says I said Hi. And she said Yeah I guess I am. Well No! Joke. My great joke alarmist. Awesome. Yeah so not Austin that he's driving vw Van Wall high well. He's not no. She's high I mean he might be high. Is A lie. She said yes. She said Yeah. I guess I I don't know why even listening to and everything I had it's Watson my head? No good then good for him. He's the designated driver then everything. Ya and she knows she's not driving, so she's free to partake in whatever she wants. Also I mean again, maybe maybe a little bit, but he also I mean he's got to play show. He doesn't want to be too messed up so. I mean if there's one thing that bans are never. It is under the influence when they play music, certainly not. Certainly, not in the seventies. No every every rock band had gentleman screen. Stay sober. And put on the best show possible. Yeah, and he was a gentleman when she gets in the car, says my. What a pleasant Blouse! And she says thank. You got it a bamberger now. We gets I guess. This count says of as a chorus for the song. But for the first time we get her name right because he says. Her name is Ariel. We. I'm. Hung. We went dairy queen. Dj? Anya Green. Foot got the Taliban. Kagan leave. Hall. Although. She was nannying. OFF SHOOTS! Felt all over the floor. Going on a date, right? She's coming to see your band play, but then he's like well. We had a little extra time. That happens in real life where you have like twenty minutes to kill, but. Again, I love the song. That's something that should happen in a song. You should really say. You shouldn't be like well. Extra time. I'll tell you what happened between that and the show. No just get right to the show I. Don't know we made great time. We left a little extra time for traffic, but for some reason. Not a lot of cars on the road tonight, so we had some time. Set of music. Derek witnessed dairy queen around there i. Don't WanNa go to dairy queen, but it's the only place around and if we go somewhere else. We're GONNA. Run out of time. She just stop at the do. This I mean this is this is the song of quivalent of every like family party I've ever been to, or my uncle tells me about all the all the traffic. You know what I mean. He's like well. You know on the belt. I thought it was gonna be, but we just flew through the bell, but then we got stopped at whatever it might. Make that change from the bill to the southern state. You know how it is. It's under construction construction for decades forever. They're gonNA finish this construction. And I was GONNA. Take the Tappan Zee but then I. Know they said on. Jammed so yeah. Anyway and now to music. Say It's that conversation except there's someone playing piano, right? Right. So. We had a little time. We were real hungry I. Bet you were. So we went to dairy queen for something to eat. She had some onion rings. Pickle. She forgot to tell me that she didn't eat meat meat. again any thoughts on this. Just the I mean again. Race, I was finding sheets onion rings because I assumed that there was going to be some built, and then he's like should appraisal we? Now? You're right. These are just getting the winds here right now. It's like. Back. Can I get a number three meal? But without the actual sandwich just everything around it. That'd be great. And then I do I do he puts. Puts it on her, and he said She forgot to tell me she didn't if. You didn't ask. I forgot to ask if she ate meat you did. She didn't tell me so all. She has onion rings and pickles. Can I get your hamburger well. I don't I don't eat meat well, then you can have some lettuce and pickle and a piece of bread. What if you're also Straw but no soda? What about what if in the middle of this verse? They just broke out into that song from the eighties. The McDonald Song with the like she had some onion rings. She had a big. Red Tries. You don't talk about Oh being. Quarter. Happy Real. That if they went into that it would make as much sense as anything else, yeah. Absolutely well first of all, I, don't want to spoil it, but Dean's got a little something with fast food restaurants, which I'm GonNa get to you know in the story behind the story would start as dairy queen commercial, and then he's like I should write a story around this well Yeah, so, but I will funny that he specifically mentioned dairy queen. Yes, secondly like he was like well. She forgot to tell me that she didn't eat meat, but it's like. Where else would you have gone I mean this is the seventies right? It's not like a Vegan restaurant on every corner, so you probably still would have. Gone to dairy Queen I guess he's saying that like. That like He. Maybe he got her a hamburger and she couldn't eat it. Ate The pickle and she's eating the onion rings that can leaving the Burger alone since guys got two hamburgers before he goes on stage. And I'll say is to in the seventies. There's no way those onion rings weren't being cooked in Animal Fat Oh to tell her she those were fried on animal fat. Yeah definitely Pickle who knows it's I, guess if you're. If you're a seventies, vegetarian, you see. Beggars can't be choosy. You gotta basically be happy with what you got. Seventeen seventy seven. There was one Jim Jacqueline he was the only member. Yeah and again not so much Jim as a harbor where he pulled the. And then yelled at you to do the same five pounds for every year of my life. So Say Oh, yeah, so yeah. You mentioned that he mentioned specifically that it's dairy. Queen I. WAS GONNA say in his defense I mean they're conversation in the mall got down to the fact that she was Jewish. No, he probably may have expected that she would have explained the fact that she's a vegetarian, too. That's true I guess you not get around to it so. I had a Gig in the American Legion Hall. It was a dance for the Volunteer Ambulance Corpse Court. She was sitting in a corner against the wall. She would SM-. She would smile and I melted all over the floor. so again as we already mentioned like if. If Dean was telling me the story. I might be doing the kind of like. Pull it real pack in. Let's wrap it up right movement of like I. Don't need to know all this level of details. Just tell me about area I. WanNa. Know about air and again like if you like. If I met a friend and the friend was high like I met this girl. I got to tell you like this would be the like five point I'd be like yeah, okay, okay, tell me about the girl I don't care about the onion rings or what? The dance was four. I want to hear about the girl. So is every like going like going off on all these these details. I do love how? Fantastically pedestrian. All of this is almost pathetic that it's like he doesn't have this great Gig, right? Where there's thousands of people screaming his day, he's he's at the VFW hall for for like some ambulance. People like at this case, this is all it is. Not that exciting, but they didn't even have to go to. The to the dairy. Queen I mean at the American Legion. They probably have snacks. Oh, they definitely have snacks right? Yeah, yeah! They got on every table. Yeah, but Michael I think you're forgetting an incredibly important detail in the story. They had time to kill. They went to the VFW, so that's originally what the dairy queen was I just had like an extra twenty minutes the amount of words in two in in each wine. It's just too many words like idea. It was a dance for the Volunteer Ambulance Corps volunteer corn. That's too much. Just make anything you don't have to be so specific buddy like he just so many words, but he starts to trail off at the end. Of Floor. A great I I. I'm not complaining, but it struck me every time he did it I'm like a you're not gonna get to the end of this morning. It was like like an action movie like Oh, no, he! He's running out of time. How we get there. That's exactly that's why. He's out of breath on the phone call because he was sending the song. Can. He just made it out of out of this I. But I don't know how he's going to get get to the next one. Yeah no I. Agree again like, and it is a very simple, I do doot doot doot doot doot, so that like basically put any number of words in there at at. Can easily squeeze in a couple of words because God forbid. We don't know that the Ambulance Corps is volunteer, rain. How could I possibly listen if I wasn't fully aware of what the dance was four? But then left it paints a mental picture like I know exactly what this Gig look like. Yep Right. On the fluorescent lights were definitely on yet. There's a lot of wood paneling. Yes, yes. How paper tablecloths. What do we think the volunteer? Ambulance Corps thinks of this rock band. You think they're excited. To to see this. Is this like a Christmas party or or like serving equivalent? Or is this just? Is this to raise money? were no I think it's like a it's a dance. It's a party. Yeah, it's a party. Yeah, it's like a little little dance I. Think they're good with it. I think they worked hard to find the best band for their group. And they just Mesh. With the Dean and the volunteer, Ambulance Corps they meshed. That's the name of the band actually The the they're definitely like a cover band right there like a wedding band. Yes, yeah. Yeah maybe like a few originals, but mostly they're just. They're taking requests, yeah! So! She was sitting in the corner against the wall and when she would smile I knelt at all over the floor. That's actually that's sweet. Yeah, he really liked. Gross? Ugly. I think he's literally belt. My God hell. If if I was in a room with every profession. Now I. Only get the Volunteer Ambulance. Literally melting. Someone healthy, theropod water on me. Ariel Ariel again. I, know this world is killing you. I took every time I read the court. The chorus in quotes I'm thinking it's allison, but it's not well. It's Hilarious as Rachel mentioned that he's trying to cram pretty words as he possibly can into the first, and then the chorus is just two words. Stretches out. Like yes, he makes one word have nine syllables, and that's the entire chorus. Unbalanced he full vocabulary in the versus. I to go home and. Watch TV! Fun Shallow Guy Steady. started. Round. Got The munchies then. We sat and we talked into the night. John McCain was. Off. I found so. Remade. Watch TV that's five. The net food shallow guy going steady so I picked. Yeah it's actually a great detail. Right because it's some old movie. Shots running. Then, not that old. Well, but I know, but it's. Like the late show. Rights after their? It's after the concert got it. Yeah, it's it's a movie. That's like fifteen years old. Right watching sixty. Blanket Bingo sort of situation right exactly, and and that's what it would be it was. Is that you know the they would? They would just playing some old movie late at night. In this you know there's there's not like they're Seinfeld reruns or whatever the only thing that's on. Before the channel went off the air yet. That's right well. Yeah, gets there well. We're GONNA get there. And then. Why do want to say and this? This obviously is like the fifties sixties by my dad, telling me that they use to show the like whatever like the million dollar movie an an today like show this movie on TV, and then at the end they would go. If you missed any part of the million dollar movie. Stay tuned and they would. They would run the movie again. Just to fill up like four hours. Of TV time so and it was always. It's a wonderful life. Yeah. So naturally guy going steady. I started fooling around with the vertical hold. That is the most annoying thing I've ever heard my like. Why are you doing? Stop that? No I haven't I'm imagining he's trying to like get better. Oh, you think he's just like. You try to I thought he was messing around with no I feel like he just has some crummy. Trying to fix the picture on the TV by the way. By the way kids. That's the thing that used to have to do. Oh, yeah, it's mess around with the vertical hold well, and it's funny. 'cause I turn that little knob in you have to. Turn the KNOB twisted. Because, we actually came, we came of age after that, but I think probably all of us had like an old TV. Right because I. Remember the the. Room was like fifteen years old. There was like an old, black and white TV and yeah. It had the vertical hold knob that you'd have to like turn to try to get the picture. We had the nice. Yeah, we had the Nice TV downstairs and upstairs no den where the Nintendo where the original intended was plugged into that was the old TV with the paneling, side and vertical. Yes, and as I saw said on twitter wants if someone like you know, say how old you are without taking your actual age, the responded. Video Games are on channel three. That's right that's. Right so that old pedal TV, you turn it to channel three to either watch a movie. Watch a VHS tape or to play video games. It will switch. Back. Literally had to screw into the back of your team jazz. You served it into the back of your TV. Dan to your point of this being the most annoying line like all I could think as he's messing with vertical hold. It's like leave it. The pictures line. You're just making it worse, but that well. If you guys, you're trying to make it better than that's fine, but him saying I was fooling around with it makes it seem like he was purposely like messing with it. Right? Nice, high and board, and he's just messing with the vertical. Jr again, because, because then then the pitcher would like. Flip like crazy when you did that, so that would be so obnoxious I mean it could be that, too. We stopped doing that. It could be depends on I. Guess It depends on how high they are. That's what I'm GONNA. Say they're if they're super high than the regular TV is flipping and the Vertebra holds. So Wake up in the morning. And the TV's going to be flickering and they're going to say man that looked perfect last night. Right like they're perfect bizarre. And the walls melted, did everybody. To answer your question about who makes Spaghetti at eleven thirty at night. There you have to. The contracts of that of we got the MUNCHIES. And I made Spaghetti. Nelson but here's here's the thing here's. A and I thought well I. Obviously, we're going to have to spend a long time on this because this is the key line of the song. and. This was the line that when I heard it I was just like what we have to. We have to do this on the show. Obviously but yeah I mean okay. I understand that context I. It has been a long time, but I have had the munchies many times in my life I have never once had the thought to make Spaghetti. In the middle of the night that that is definitely a new one on me, so we're just different people to and. I think there are just seem so complicated. Doesn't it? Sam Located? Yes it's. Super Hi, yes, book! One time I ate an entire bag of bugles and then remember that I. Don't like Bugles, so don't come to me. I understand what's happening here saying. To have the patience to boil water teams outside of of what they would be willing to maybe ought to things two things one. We're just talking like Francesco Rinaldi sauce in a in a pot number two that that positive is probably either super all day or super mushy because they forgot how long they had it. Right I don't. But when you want something at eleven thirty at night. Yup It does. It has to happen. It has to happen. Honor it could just be called. Spaghetti Os out of a can to? I MEAN SPAGHETTI DEAL? I opened a can your or May. Oh I, see you also follow chef boyardee. But that line is the most sense to me Dan. We got the MUNCHIES and I made some Spaghetti. That's right. That's true. That's true life right there. Oh Man, and how great! Was it that you could be like your twenties, you could eat pasta. CARB up at eleven thirty at night. Now I am man. Diner like two in the morning and like eating like a full. Oriented. Yeah. Well College. We used to go there. Was this like diner? Those empty and like we would just sit there for hours and the the wages have bring us coffee. And then after a while, she was like you guys can just go behind the counter and get some more. Let's. And so and we would just drink like seventeen cups of coffee, and then go home and fall asleep. We are our bodies made no sense. I'm not as made as much sense as the song does. I will say this we. Michael and I went to the same college and Michael Do you. Remember Valentino's. There we went to this restaurant a couple of times. It was an all night Italian restaurant. It wasn't a diner, an IRA member going after some shows, or whatever and we would literally go, and it would it would just be Italian food at Lake one in the morning like. Fettuccini Alfredo. It was perfect. Anyway what I'm saying is. Do this while you can folks. For Yes yes, but also be I just imagined you putting like a four full of pasta in your mouth Gills, look over and Dean Freeman just winks. You've. You've learned the glory of late Night Pasta. So, so they made since Spaghetti. Presumably. They ate it as well. And he says we sat and talked into the night. While Channel Two was signing off the air. I found the softness of her mouth. We made love the bombs bursting in air another great line. Yeah, frankly so even though airlines with air, but we'll ignore that for a second so. We talked into the night like this is, this is young love. This is your fate. While child who was signing off the air so again? There's also predates somewhat, but this is what used to happen is. The channel would just sign off the air, and they they're making love. or he found the softness of her mouth I. Do not like that. Really scares me out but they may love and when the. Channel would sign off. They would play the national anthem so the line. The bombs bursted an air. Yes. Obviously he's also making a you know a double entendre of an allusion to often my fireworks represent. This sort of thing like an old movie so it all Kinda ties together quite good line. And then Ariel Ariel Ariel Ariel. And he repeats way on the other side of the Hudson deep in the bosom suburbia I met a young girl. She sang mighty fine tears on my pillow and Ave Maria Maria again at no point in the song. Does she sing so? Names on that and he ends the song with it. Tears on my pillow and Ave Maria. This this is the this is the walk in Memphis part where there's just a random repetition of the opening line. Right. Yeah, right back, city original, but. And Yeah so I mean. Do you think at some point? She joins the band. Is that where we're to assume I sing two songs. Right. I don't know that or either that or it's a hell of a medley I how they fit together, but. I just. Bad v like Hey, guys, this is. Two things once you somebody in the band, also, secondly, we also learn Ave Maria right? We're okay with that right if we do. One of our songs is Ave Maria that we do at our gigs where you guys going guys. Stop calling her Yoko. Is Area. Yeah so that's it. So, song makes no sense. It's Super Weird and I love everything about it like. Any, other any other thoughts. On all. I'm GonNa say is this when I listened to it? And the more we go into the into the lyrics, the more I'm loving this song, but has an do not mean us in a bad way. It has the sound. It has the feel of a parody song. Something about it feels like it's a parody song, and it is not, but as you're listening to these lines. I kept on thinking well. What's going to happen like? What is this heritage? Folk and is no joke. It's the feel of the song and. I love it. Rachel that is A. Observation that. Louis correct well. No, because you're right. This reminds me of like when I would hear a weird Al's song as a kid and not realize that it was a parody of something you. Hear the real version years later. Yeah, it has that that sort of. Feeling like get it. Get it. Get it this is the parody, and but there's no saugus parody like it's not necessarily so it always feels like he's like trying to shove a couple of words into like. Make the joke, but avid fade into the original. Tune right? He doesn't need to do that because this is in a parody. He's not bound by any by by an old song that he's trying to. Do so yeah. No, you're absolutely right now. Yeah, and this is and I actually shouldn't even bring weird out because that's that that you know obviously weird. I was good at what he does. This is like the Z morning zoo. Parody version right whereas you know, it's not as good. It's you know it's again. They're trying to shove into many words for the line to make the joke work, but it's not as heck man, but yeah, but I still love the song. That! Slow and we'll. We'll talk more about History obviously in a little bit, but all right so expanded universe. So I've I've done this one before, but yeah I think they definitely bought their pot from John. Lee pedal. Oh. He's he's. He's providing everybody with pot. Yeah, so he's really big parameters. His is, he's he's. He's taken What was that song called Thunder Road No. What was that sorry called? What Song was. The John. Had Road have. Another song as like I don't know copperhead road. He say carbon road release parameters was the. Traveling to sell his wares And Yeah, I mean she's a singer. I can't think of any song. About woman who's a singer, so I don't think I. Don't think that makes that. That adds up to anything we you. No I can't think of anything. No She's Pearl. This is the Pearl Prequel. She's a singer. She's GONNA turn into. This area is going to change her name to Pearl, and she's going to be singing in that nightclub so this I sent works. Abba is there a song about a woman named Pearl? WHO's saying yeah? I never would have known yeah. No gene breaks your heart She's going to end up all alone. Singing in that she got she got a record. She won the contest for BE I. Got It all works. That's right that's on the radio, but it didn't just didn't work out now. She's in that nightclub thing. You can't have your Eisai tears on my pillow and decide be ave, Maria. What is WHO's going to buy that out? It doesn't fit together, but she was adamant about it. It's the rare Christmas album that you could sort of flip over and the rest of the year. Listen to the other side. That's right. You gotTA understand. These are my two best songs. I don't care that they don't fit together And so here's a question for you. Guys is our first song that definitively takes place in New Jersey. Because I couldn't think of another one, there are other ones that maybe they do or they don't mention where they are, but I think this might be. Our first song definitively mentions that takes place in New Jersey. I mean We haven't done any Bon Jovi. We haven't done any springsteen. Also, know it all checks out prior. I Jersey. Now why do I was going through the list of songs to do to see if I can think of any songs that might have taken place in New Jersey? And I realized why was doing that that? We have done between the first version of the show in the second version. At least five songs that definitively take place in Georgia. Okay seems weird. To me yet. Georgia has a lot of and not not one of them is Georgia on my mind right well. There's the night the lights went out in Georgia right? There's the devil went down to Georgia so we have to songs that mentioned Georgia in the title, right? We just did old read that he mentioned takes place in Georgia. and then it never been to me and fancy. They both mentioned Georgia. Wow! Weird Georgia's adjective place I know. So. There you go I, just I just thought that was weird. I was like Georgia CBS' vastly over represented. In this, so we definitely have to find songs that take place in like North Dakota or Just other places that. Are Not because we want a couple of Texas. We definitely a few California's some New York's so. Far that take place. I mandate say it's. A halt did a whole thing about where to place. Yeah, the state definitively. Is it Montano right Oh no, 'cause see yeah, because it's like no it's. Is it South Dakota because I? Remember we mentioned. Is there mountains? Right that's right or maybe. Maybe it was Nebraska Nebraska right. Try to figure out. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's true all right, so we have at least one flyover. Do a mascot. Oh, we should. Yeah all right all right where? I I'm not sure if this was new, jersey, but the night Chicago died. and. That was in Chicago. New Jersey okay. That's right so tiny town. It's like. London Texas. It's like right outside the Holland tunnel. It's not what you would think. No Paris Texas. Joke I was GONNA be like men. There's there's a London Texas. Stasis I mean they're K. Anyway I. mean there probably is but. Anyway let's take a quick break when we come back. We'll talk about the history of this song story around the story. Merkin Sierra talk about songs is it will probably not shock you to learn a pop music, review and analysis podcast in which mark blankenship that's me and Sarah d bunting. Hello, talk about songs, and it's unjust about the songs. It's about first dates. Last concerts pop chart horoscopes, Dolly Parton prayer candles, the correct ranking of platinum albums playlists for that convertible. You rented on vacation your, basic. 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May Twenty Third Nineteen Fifty Five in Paramus New Jersey? So this song is basically as you're going to hear more I don't know if this actually happened, but this is basically justice I mean. Every detail of of his life is is in the south. He's from Jersey and as a teenager he played in a band that did wedding bar Mitzvahs and he majored in music at City College of new. By the time he was twenty hit a recording contract with the life Song Label. This makes sense now. He's from parameters New Jersey, but I'm going to save it. He probably met Areo when he was at City College. And, so he was living in the and haulage, and he went back to parameters. He met Areo there. We go okay. Yeah, so yeah, so he's probably back in either his dorm room or he has like a little apartment right while he writes to city college right right? Yeah, and the names or places that he's like sort of checking off in the song. He knows exactly where they are Oh, yeah. Like, he has his specific dairy queen yet. He's talking about absolutely. None of this is generic. This is all along very specific. I like that. That's cool. Yeah, did for is very much a right with you. Know Person 'cause. Literally just every detail is just and and again like the most mundane details of his life, are in the songs, so did Freeman is considered a one hit wonder in the US. Do not worry about him. He is a renaissance man and we're going to get into that so okay. The. His his musician career is just one part of a larger tapestry already excitedly. weirdly he is considered a one hit wonder in the US and a one hit wonder in the UK. How ever for two different songs? That's weird not Ferrario. Aerial hit number twenty six in the US so it is only top forty hit. In the UK aerial did not chart. But it! A duet with singer named Denise Marsa. That was called. Lucky stars, and that reached number three. So like I said this makes. Dean Freeman a one hit wonder about the US and the UK, but for two different songs. That's nuts. Yeah, so I listened to lucky stars, and it is not surprisingly extremely weird. Song is a duet, so she's like. Why are you angry? He's like I'm not angry. It was like well. You sound angry I'm not I'm not accurate when you're acting. Getting angry, now 'cause you ask them from angry and I'm like Oh, God. That's stupid fight. Song for him so the entire Saugus just details about things that you don't know what they're talking about. So so it's so. They're having a fight, not just it's not just a realized version of the Madonna Song Lucky Star no, because that's what I'm hearing in. My head is like Dean Freeman going. You must be my lucky star. Both of you. Yeah, and then you know. Denise Moore's IT turns around and says you also are my lucky star gas. Lucky Stars. And also, because you make the darkness seem so far and she's like you to. Loss I, also you. Know. Yeah, but I'm the luckiest by far, but no. We're both very. I'm lucky to I'm also the luckiest by far will. You can't be the luckiest by far if I'm the lucky. Also so we're. We're both equally lucky lucky stars. The second of the is just Dean Freeman singing the lyrics, lucky star and Denise Marsa going Ditto. And, also that, so it was a number three hit in the UK, a one hit wonder both the US and the UK. So Dean Freeman also provided vocals for a series of television commercials in the Nineteen Seventies in the New York, Metro area. Yes, I, promise you. I tried very hard. I could Stanley find no information which emotional jingles. He sang so I'm I'm I'm sorry, everyone? I tried. However, I wanted to hear those commercials he did record a single. He recorded us on. That was a single did not chart. So this is what I mentioned before. The song is called the McDonald's girl, which is a song about Dean Friedman falling in love with the girl working behind the counter and McDonald's super-busy. Just fall in love with people. Saying he's. Clearly not only he talk a lot about fast food restaurants, but he also he's literally just like. I, went to McDonald's my day. Can I say something? Any chance that he sang that McDonald's Sun. Which you? The BIG MAC MC dot a quarter pounder with cheese, fillet, fishing, hamburger, cheeseburger, happy mcnuggets, tasting, golden French fries, regular larger sizes, and then it fumbles off because nobody that million dollars, but right is there a possibility that he sang that song? Because I'm getting very excited right now. Well, he did not because well. That's. Now I'm depressed, so that song is based on a song called. Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me. The band is reunion, yeah. That's not dean free. No. No I know. What I'm asking is if he sang the actual McDonald's so well i. mean that's like the actual McDonald's songs like a big chorus singing. No, but there's one guy who sings it. Oh really! Oh, yeah, because at the end everybody I know. Dude, who sings it and then? Everybody starts to come in, and it starts humble, but there's one lead person. Coca Cola Diet. Coke spring the coffee. Cocoa and orange juice settled McDonald's Kentucky's. Got It. Now. Too Bad because this can do the McDonald's menu song all the way through a listener out. There is going to win a million dollars. So. Let's try again big of all the tangents. We've gone on the show. This is just one I never expected. Well Anyway, I don't know because again. What I was GONNA. Say was his song. The McDonald's girl was in the ninety s re recorded by band and used in a McDonald's commercial, so it's not him singing it, but his song wasn't a ninety S. McDonald's commercial interesting. That's all I was going to say. Now we start getting to the weird parts. He wrote and performed music for TV shows, including the theme songs for Nick, Arcade and Indiana, he also wrote the theme song to the called Heart. Film. I bought A. Motorcycle and the song is called. She runs on blood, not gasoline. So Dean Freeman also wrote a book entitled the Complete Guide to Synthesizers sequencers and drum machines, which was released in nineteen five. According to Wikipedia, the missions out of date, but is still used on the secondary market for buying Olten incisors. If you're like if you're a collector, which yeah I mean if you're collecting old synthesizers, you have so much money because those things take up like the size of a wall, so we were them, but he also set up a school called The New York School of Census. And produce a series of films called. Instances, so he was a big. Factor? Right, so he's doing okay. Yeah, yeah, he's doing a lot of stuff. So now in nine hundred eighty nine freeman created a video game called Ada. He licensed video game to Nickelodeon for a show called total panic, which served as the prototype for Nick Arcade wait. Is that the place where they go in and there in the video game? Is that game think so. Oh, and his lake arcade the show that he did the theme song for Yes. There was a show called Nick Arcade where kids would play video games on TV basically It was sort of a game show. So he he made this video game called bog. He licensed Nickelodeon for the show. Call total panic that show turned into Nick Arcade. He wrote the theme song for Nick, Arcade, he also created or produced a dozen other video games. There are also on Nick Arcade and he started a company that makes video games called in video. Oh my gosh, so he's doing okay, he's doing. Stuff. He's doing a lot of stuff is my point, so he? He had a top forty hit. A wrote a book about Synthesizers, and he started a video game company, and also wrote some songs for shows like Necker, cade and Area Indiana so some information about stuff that's mentioned in the song, so they mentioned tears on my pillow that was a hit for little anthony and the imperial. Is such a good song. It was released in nineteen fifty eight. It reached number four on the hot one hundred little anthony also known for songs like out of my head, and so a good song, such a good song and all three of. Air inducted into the hall of fame in two thousand, and not and just to make our regular story Sung podcasts. Connections hurt so bad was famously covered in nineteen eighty Bhai Miss Linda Ronstadt Linda Ronstadt future with it on her. Mad Love Album. So parameters park is a mall in Paramus New Jersey it was built in nineteen, seventy four, and it still exists, and its original anchor stores were sears in an S. you bet so when he went to the mall. which you're going to go to the old, no, I'm going to go to the new mall the brand new premise. That's right. Yeah, it's only sold at that point. Yeah it was a fairly new I mean the waterfall still run it, so you know. Right in the water was clear. It wasn't it wasn't like. Every mall in the late eighties where the waterfall turned off, and it was weird dusty Out Bed! Strange, Rusting Yeah yes, Roy. So long! Right. As Rachel mentioned Wbai is a free form music and news station. It was famous for its counterculture programming in the sixties and seventies, and among other notable events. Be Id. Guys know what is most famous for. I guess. Guests for women who. Collective change in the mall exactly. possibly, but the the thing. I was afraid to be I famously broadcast George Carlin's seven dirty words Oh. which led to a Supreme Court case in nine, hundred, seventy, eight that established the government's ability to regulate speech I'm running out. You know what I mean. It's just like we decided to be somewhere. We won't say all the time and I was just trying to find which words they were for sure all I wanted to list because nobody gives you just. That's the problem. They don't give a list when you think it'd be normal if they didn't. You say something to tell you what it is. Nobody? Even tells you when you're a kid. What the words are that you're supposed to avoid. You have to say them to find out which ones they are. That's amazing, and so that actually probably would have been going on 'cause I. It took a couple of years to get. Scream court, so if it. If the case if the case was decided in seventy eight, so that actually was probably happening at the time. Yeah, so have you know famously are? Are you going to say them right now? Anyway here they are. Tiny little e next to this episode. Day broadcast a routine by George. Carlin seven dirty words. You can't say on TV. And before then there was, it was not established that the government could regulate broadcasting. There was an internal like industry standards, but there was nothing official from the government, and they basically like well. The government can't regulate broadcast. Scream court, and the guy was like no, we can. So. That's why now we did. Right so now why now you? We get an FCC violation where beforehand there was nothing officially set up for that so very very famous, very famous case Annette Funicello. She started her career at the age of twelve on the Mickey. Mouse club and nineteen because they were watching her move. Okay, right right I was interested to see where the link between seven thirty words. You can never say on television and Annette Funicello. She just I mean NFL famously had a filthy. She actually invented nine new words. No she they watch movie, and so she started the Mickey Mouse Club in Nineteen fifty when she was twelve and in the nineteen sixties, she started a series of beach party movies. This is most likely what Denarius are watching. The titles of those movies are Beach Party. Muscle Beach, party Bikini Beach. Pajama Party Beach Blanket Bingo Ski Party. Dr Gold Foot and the Bikini machine, okay how to stuff a wild bikini, and there was one last one that unfortunately an initial do not appear in, but it was the ghost in the invisible bikini, so those were the beach party movies. Yeah, all our movies, actually, which is yeah and period. Every single one of them was a movie that took place in the seventeen hundred. Really not what you would expect. From the titles, but yeah, one of the most harring nights of my life was sitting at home, watching Dr Goal Foot in the Bikini machine. Just. Absolutely gut wrenching. Experience of a horror movie that was. Fun Movie. Right quite effect. Yes, that's right. That's right. The Shirley Bassey Song as spectacular yeah. The key the machine. Where do they? Go In the two thousand, Sixteen Freeman produced a series of fan financed albums, so he's still doing his thing there are people who love him and they pay him to make albums nice. Any any currently lives in peekskill New York. Awesome. That's at burner. Yeah all right, so that was the history of area. We're going to take another quick break and we come back. We will talk about the lessons we learned from this song with lessons learned. We want to be friends with you so like us on facebook for all kinds of fun story song stuff. You in the story Song podcast. It's the start of a beautiful friendship. All Right, welcome back! It's time for sins what listen to we learn. From this song. I'll go first and just say you know if you are going to. Call someone up. to go on a date when you definitely want to give the impression that you are a person who works out a lot like you're really fit. So you definitely want to like do jumping jacks or running place I get immediately. Before calling them, really put in like a lot of effort. Can you definitely like the first thing? They hear when they're like Oh. Hello you definitely to be like. Hey. I was just. I was. I was just wondering. Terry I was just wondering if. Maybe like a coffee some time whatever the person that learning is up to be like Oh. Oh, he works out. Because they can't say to visually so you have to convey that in Saudi. Oh format, so yes, that's definitely it should be allowed to like I. I was just thinking. Oh sorry. ooh! Ninety nine. I'm currently doing. Do you WanNa? Call me back. It's fine. It's good. Can. Do pushups all the time. I can't call you any other time. I'm never not doing. Doing pushups sleeping. Michael. Would you learn? I learned. That Wbai in New Jersey plays the greatest hits of the fifties, the sixties, the seventies, the eighties, the eighteen twenty s today. From. Them all right I did. Yeah, well does amazing the things you'll learn. If I knew a single other song from eighteen twenties. Not all the songs they're playing, but I don't know. What else would be? Like Rachel, would you learn? I learned that if it's the seventies and you're a Hippie, have a well stocked. PANTRY 'CAUSE! You don't know when the munchies are GonNa hit and. Sometimes people just want Spaghetti. And if it's eleven thirty at night, and it's the seventies. Everything's closed at that point. Always, have a well step stocked pantry. Or make your spaghetti in advance. Advance. Spaghetti. Yes, you don't have to worry about the boiling water, yeah! You're about to go out. You say you know what? I'm probably going to get really high tonight. Spaghetti on I'm GONNA put Fatah's beginning on. I'll be prepared right later. Musician in the seventies I should have food ready. Right well, and the thing is is that. I have to remember the seventy, so they don't have microwaves, so we WANNA do is you want to make a lot of pasta? Right and save it in the fridge so that later all you have to do is just throw it in some boiling water. Really GonNa Save you a lot of times. That's making five. All right. Win. Will End on my dumbest joke ever. To say you guys so much for listening. This ministry song I guess. Follow us on the social like Instagram, twitter and facebook, and if you believe his five star review on Apple Podcast, we would certainly appreciate it and please if you know someone who you think would enjoy the show. Tele friend. Tell a hippie girl named Ariel. Tell anyone you want anybody meeting them all your anyone, but seriously don't go to the mall right now and if you do wear masks, but. But otherwise anyone else you meet or. To Show? Definitely tell us about it. And thanks for listening, so I'm Dan Macaroni. I'm Rachel. OAKES and I'm Michael. Zell we'll be back next time with another great story song, so thanks for listening and goodbye. Not Bill. Murray. Our theme music was written and performed by Jason Flowers. You can follow him on twitter at Jason. Flowers, with Z.. Some of our bumper music was provided by Purple Planet. Music find them at Purple Dash. Planet Dot Com, our logo was designed by Dan. 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244: Twilight Zone-ing Out With Jordan Peele's CBS Reboot
"Uh-huh. You have to be sure to be sure. Because once you put it out there. What will take it in? They will connect. Once they connect to it. What's this? Should is gone forever. This is the extra hot great podcast two hundred forty four the week of April. First two thousand nineteen. I m pit of man's fears David Tico, and I'm here with suicide by flop Sarah, d bunting something cheap and Brown ice air marshal tar area skies, a really into his podcast and Easter egg on the beach will. Hi, hey, I recognize that. Welcome to extra hut. Great. We are pleased to welcome from stage in screen literally will Hines Ella. Will will? How's it going? Thank you. We are here to talk about CBS all accesses remake of the twilight zone or revival because I guess not every episode is a remake of an episode of the original series. And fortunately for as the two episodes have that have dropped are very relevant to our guests experience will as a an actor at sketch comic. And the first episode of the two is called the comedian and stars Camille, non Johnny as someone who accidentally gets it gets into a devil's bargain to become famous. And so we'll let's start with the obvious question who gave you the your Faustian offer to become hugely famous and successful in the world. Yeah. It was it was not Tracy Morgan. Gary Kroeger from the dick Ebersol cast of SNL. And small parts on curb your enthusiasm sidled up to me to bar, and it was like would you like to have almost fifteen lines total and various sitcoms? Chest. He just got to put yourself out there. And and before he was even finish house, like whatever you're selling. I'll give you my soul. Injures? What happens is Kunal nanjiani plays plays a somewhat failing bad stand up comic. He meets this guy who's played by Tracy Morgan at this at the comedy club. And the advice that he gets is that you have to talk about your real life. But then once you do it's gone. And I thought this was particularly interesting to talk to you about because you do improv comedy. And that literally is how it goes. Like once you do is show, it it kind of is forever. So how did you? How did you react to this episode? How did it strike you? I I love the way it looked at. I love the actors, but in our post crashing world. I have a little trouble buying into the drama of stand up comedy as like a tragic broken person things. So you know, I I I I saw it as a promising star. But it didn't it didn't grab me as much as the next episode, which really grabbed me I felt the same way too. And I mentioned that to Sarid she seemed to prize so Sarah, what struck you about the first of the two that CBS drop. Well, this is all right. I'm going to beat this guy. But having recently taught twilight zone in my class. Yes, e. Loves her showy. Woes miss Sarah bunting. Thank you. That's it structure bunting to you. It's sort of. I thought it was a little too long the first one I thought that. I mean, I don't know if this is a take on any old one. But you know, we talked a lot in class about sort of the length of the various episodes and how they in the original ration- with rod Serling tried to make it an hour. And then they were like, Nope. That doesn't work and dropped back down to twenty five minutes. And I did feel like maybe this one could have been shorter because then seemed like well, we get it. And now we just have to see how it ends. Yeah. Are they both could've been having frankly? But I thought that you know, I call this the punchline effect that it's so difficult to thread the needle like making. The performance of or construction of comedy dramatic. And then actually showing the comedy is a mistake that many properties of made pseudo sixty. So I thought that it did a good job with that. While they did a good job by working the way around it like there's actually no comedy in his comedy, the whole thing. He just has to talk about people people find it funny with the caveat that then think disappears. So they actually it wasn't really telling jokes about anything that goes poof, he was just aiming names, basically that I was also thinking like that as it went on. They broke the rule of threes. And like all these other things like the timing of it was not the best. But I also felt that compared to the second one which I just feel like I've seen and has entered the culture on a. A DNA level. If you're going to step to Shatner and lists cows versions of this. That's a bold move. But for that reason. I thought it was a clever twist the second one I thought it was a clever twist on. Because they're these things in the world. Now podcasts pulls nine eleven that weren't when the first two iterations came out. But there's just something about it. That's like it's impossible not to expect. What's next even if there's a twist on it? So I did like the first one better just because it was a little bit less trodden. But. Sarah. I can I can see that. Like, I hadn't thought of it that way, the first one was a bit more of an original subject matter for like twilight zone, any kind of stuff, you know, especially the second one is a direct remake of and one of the most famous episodes ever. But for the second got me more like I maybe maybe because I do improv, and and even dabble stand up, and I have trouble like weirdly have trouble taking it seriously. Whenever somebody's like look at the tragic under current of this person's life my honor. I don't know anybody like. It's sort of like, I have a friend who's a jazz who studied jazz in as a in grad school, and then sort it was a session musician for awhile, and he saw the movie whiplash, which is like, you know, a movie about a dramatic jazz instructor in this grueling jazz school, New York, and it's very dramatic. And he said he just cracked up and laugh through all like, you could not buy into it. He's like this teacher would be fired on day one like nut. You've you're you do not bleed when you drum ever. And he said I couldn't. But that movies, great like anybody is not a jazz musician. I think. A lot of people. Enjoy it whiplash. You know, what I mean like, but this guy couldn't get into? And sometimes I feel that whenever I see like live performers. Yeah. That's why couldn't get into magic, Mike, frankly. Right. Right. Right. Stripping is just a lighthearted wells more chiseled body. The. That it's no big deal. Real casual. So for me the second one word for me is the second one. I was like, okay, they're going to remake this iconic episode, and I sort of settled in for it then right away as like, oh, they're doing it differently. Oh, I kind of like this. I was pleasantly surprised by the twists and the so I I kind of I bought into the second one a lot more even though even though they both looked beautiful and the acting Shirley in both of them. And yeah, I felt like it's a promising show, but it might still be finding its footing. I laid to cast cry check in. Yeah. That was uninvited either. As Tara said was were watching. That's a whole lot of Vancouver in these episodes watching these and I'm a big fan of the original at least until the started. Doing those weird live video camera stuff in the later seasons. Looked terrible. Oh, yeah. You know, when you know that era of television where they were using video cameras that sort of eight all the lights bleed whenever moved like what they were using. And it really takes yet. But for the classic twilight zone episodes big fan and after watching this series, which I think was competent, but I kind of feel like the new Tyler zone kind of has like an order of operations problem. The original twilight zone like the twilight zone as a place in the series was like this mysterious place from which unsettling truths about America. Modern life are presented in the new twilight zone based on only the first two episodes. Because all we got to see I'm not really getting that as much I'm getting that the twilight zone in CBS's all access show is like a spooky place where spooky nece happens, but they kind of forgot to work it backwards from a message appoint of you. I'm not really seeing the point of view that drives us to introspection that much like like, I feel like a lot of the original twilight zone episodes where you know, morality tales or thoughts on the Cold War that was happening at the time. And I know based on some articles I've read that one of the next two does that I guess are doing to a week or maybe that was but whatever episode three episodes four were kind of getting something that lives more in that twilight zone space. So I think get out lived in get out is a twilight zone for sure right, right? And I read that one of the episodes coming up is more like that where it's very much in that Jordan Peele comfort zone or discomfort zone as it were. And I kind of feel like episodes. We saw were just sort of like a Jj Abrams mystery box wet dream kind of. Just a twilight zone, I can do anything in at the end of it. Do I have a point? Or is it just that the twilight zone is this weird place where funky stuff happens? Like, I suppose you could bend any of these episodes to have a point. But I don't think it was like in the foreground like it wasn't the old built series. I think with any show show like this like outer limits lack mirror you have. Sort of two ways that you can go with the concepts that that like, basically, it's sort of thought experiment. General like broadly speaking, you can either start with the idea and then see where it takes you. And then you get to the end or you can start end Douglas or and work backwards from it. And I exactly so I think that the first one was the first thing and the second one, I think they just were like, well, what if we rewrote this, you know, top three most famous all-time twilight zone segment in this way. And I got the feeling that the first two were how the series was sold to work. And I'm like, I'm hoping that they feel free to get a little more weird as they're as they're going or word because some of the stuff just felt a little. Not dry like again. I liked the episodes, but they just felt a little lake. Like, very very highly polished to to get the thing sold, and I I wouldn't mind seeing a little bore like get a little weirder. Like little more experimental with the idea, they're fine on the weird. I wanted to get more pointed David, I think they'll do that. And I'm I'm basing this not so much on get out. But on key and Peele because like keen peel was basically, I mean, I'm going to oversimplify a little bit. But like they'd have a bucket of sketches that were just straight up very silly characters. No point at all, you know. It's just kind of like, a funny voice funny. You know, these two brilliant performers. But then of course, they had a lot of sketches that were pointed that were sort of like commenting on something, you know, be like Obama's anger or the sketch with all the piracy about hundred women. Yeah. Or even like, they would have personal ones where like they did a sketch where Jordan is the only black. Member of acapella group, and then a second black guy joint the jealous. So then to get revenge. The initial guy goes enjoins the second guys improv group where he was the only person of color. May have this weird. Like revenge of being the person in a mostly white stuff. And like they've both done acapella and improv stuff. And it was like so specific in great. I was kinda and they brought like a key and Peele writer with them to this show. Jordan also brought another sketch writer that he's done. He brought his people from the comedy world. And I'm sort of curious to see if he can be just as precise with with twilight zone premises as he was with sketch, and it doesn't sound crazy that he'll be able to do it like twilight zone stuff is kind of analogous to sketch comedy. Sometimes like a weird take on something heightened a lot. So I don't know. I think Sarah might be right. Like, maybe these first to sort of were trying to satisfy a lot of nervous suits. And then when they're allowed to like kind of find their foot. I mean, if you watch the first two episodes of broad city. It's no, it's good. But nowhere near as good as it would be. Be even to emphasize later, and that you know, he certainly has earned the benefit of the doubt in in my. It's this weird to see how many comedians are in this like all the actors comedians writers are all comedians, even though Jordan is really good in the rod sterling role is still kinda smile when I see him. Do it like you seems to be about to burst out laughing which I enjoy. So that's kind of it's both to strengthen hurdle for these guys. I don't know. So it didn't blow me away. But it had a lot of integrity. And I was like, I don't know. I wouldn't surprise me for this to become great. No. I could see it. I mean, you're right. I mean all series suffer from, you know, having to sell it and also having to find footing after the pilot and the signpost up ahead as it were seemed point they are getting into a groove in subsequent episodes. I just wish they had one of those episodes up top because I just didn't like it had to morality tale aspect that original series with these two. Yeah. You know in a world was black mirror. How do you do your own twilight zone, but also not be black mirror. Right. Yes. At every episode before nineteen ninety nine. Yeah. I was just no technology in any technologies. Just great in not a problem. Well, that's why I left when they every time they showed the MP three player in the second episode, which I don't know if we actually said, it's a remake of terror twenty thousand feet except sort of with many twists, but they they kept showing this MP3. player that didn't even look like an old style three player from like the two thousands like it looked like a transistor radio. Yeah. And we see the back of it. It's it's a Whipple. Like, oh, that classic tick brand, we all know the Whipple. Like, it was like it was like the scenes in into the spider verse where like all the brands are like just slightly off Saint same kind of thing. Yeah. It seemed like this was that was a nod to what Davis are getting at. But like it feels like a different place. Like, this is not this is not a recognizable world that we know. Although he did recognize that podcast Carlin. Yeah. Yeah. Voice. Yeah voice. And I was like what heck I know heard that before in my mind was going through celebrities until finally the credits. Like, oh, of course, the host of hardcore history, Dan Carlin, I love that. They had him be the podcast police like that's it's such a knowing it's like someone who's listened to a lot of podcast cast that guy. Yeah. Pretty cool. So this is on CBS Alexis as we said, I was asked today whether the show was good enough to justify subscribing to the service that I think probably a lot of people do not subscribe to you can sample it that they put up the first episode the comedian on YouTube for free, and we'll link that in the show notes too. But what what do we think is this worth is this worth getting CBS all access for how much is too? Well, if you get if you get it add free, it's nine ninety nine a month. I think with ads it's five ninety nine believe for ninety nine five ninety nine something like that. I'll keep watching it because I already have all access to watch the good fight. But if I didn't already have it. Probably wouldn't pay for it. It's the same. Probably you're talking about last week with apple TV. Plus, it's just like you need them in the face of competitor. Like Netflix where they have hundreds of shows that are potentially in your wheelhouse. Yeah. It is a good value proposition net flicks. When you compare that for pretty much the same price for CVS Alexis or even like, Amazon prime and this apple TV thing. It's really hard to justify like, it's okay. But I wouldn't say it is such a good series that you want to start subscribing. It's it's not that kind of series like twin peaks on Showtime when when the recent season of twin peaks was on Showtime. I subscribe to Showtime to watch it like I was such a big fan of the original series at outside. You got me. I wanna see these episodes when they come out, which I then did not like, but I was like got me to subscribe. You know what I mean? I was curious enough to not wanna wait. And I don't think this is that kind of show like it. It would have to be this is another when Howard Stern. I went to pay radii like he had fans passionate enough that they would follow him to pay service as great as Jordan Peele is Jordan Peele doing Sifi, or whatever you call twilight zone is not enough. I mean, if it was Jordan Peele doing comedy, maybe. But this, but this is a good member of the stable because I with this and the Star Trek show. Yeah. I think I might be on board with CBS all access in total. But I this isn't the kind of show I think that makes anybody after sign up don't Fant I got one less thought that I can't let go on said and this pedantic so in the second episode when Adam Scott's character is still in the airport. There is a mural about the rocket to Mars or something like that. There's some which apparently is a future episode, by the way rent that whole thing. But. Defunct that use for all the small print is already the most you comment. I could imagine. The sub typeface of a Easter egg background. Sean epic learning do the. Or do the? Oh my God. That's going out of business card. Truth or the mural sort of fifties forbidden planet esque kind of take on it. You know, if the scroll fund, but all the information is in a funk called Hobo. And if you don't know what that is which we don't is the dukes of hazzard credit fund. Oh, it's the font of broil general stores from nineteen seventy one to nineteen seventy seven. And for some reason, this is on a mural about space travel that is potentially actually happening in this universe. And it really bothered me a lot that somebody didn't take the time to actually choose a period. Appropriate font for that. I have a friend like you who always notices in period pieces like typefaces like he would complain about typefaces in madman that they was like that type based didn't exist today. But I do think it's sort of like, you know, nobody cares. And also doesn't doesn't it seem like it should be there. It's sort of like when you do Iria pieces in. It's like, oh, well, this is this sixties movie has a Beatles esque band, but it's Kennedy's still alive. So you wouldn't have the Beatles span, but it's like following a mishmash and our head. It'd be paying. A different pitcher. And this is only slightly askew from what they're doing here. It's downton abbey except the sinuses. Don't Abby is like in a lava. Lamp font from the six. Way in time. Periods and usage, these fonts are. All right. Are right? It is time for around the dial. Everybody's talking about things are watching lately on television. I stop Tara. I I'm here to talk about HBO's best one two punch comedy lineup. Berry in veep, which are back. We have seen the first three episodes. Although as of this recording only one has aired. So I will try to be careful about spoiling. Stephan future episodes, veep is in its final season seasons. Seven the it's time again for the presidential race. So we're in the primary at this point somehow, I mean Mirroring, the actual current primaries season where people who have no business running are running Jona is running which is very funny because since we saw him last he is required a wife who is like was once his stepsister and has somehow not figured out. That's going to be a problem for his campaign. Anyway, Selena is still a. Monster and is maybe worse than ever before. And it's still you know, there's not much really can say about it. It's still very good and Sarah, just for you. Because I know you don't really watch the show, but William Faulkner appears in one of the early episodes as a like Peter Thiel slash David Geffen type of closeted gay financier differ kind of product. Yeah. You got me what I'm more interested in talking about his berry. I just read the big New Yorker profile of Bill Hader last weekend where past guests on the show. Jim was like is quoted as saying that the finale of the season the first season of berry is so good. Keep never wanted to watch it again, I understand means like such a good show. But at the same time if it had ended on that finale, it would've been amazing. That's not to say season two from what we've seen of it. So far is not really good also. But Jesus Christ that I was good. We just rewatch all of season one in preparation. For the season two premiere, man. It's good. But yeah, the way it's similar to breaking bad the show in the ways that they they have to right themselves because of the crime flash hitman aspects of it they have to right themselves harder stories, and then figure out how to get out of the which is like interesting to watch from a plot perspective, but on top of that like Bill haters performance. Like, there's not enough great things to say about it like to say, it's amazing is feels like not sufficient he's so good in this role. And the stuff that they have him doing season two, especially good. He's now trying to while while avoiding the police investigation into last murder. We saw him kaminskys and one he's he's also just trying to get out of the life and commit to being an actor. Although that has its pains also which include working at Lululemon, really funny place for him to work. And and then in future episodes. He's also still entangled with. No, hey, one of my favorite characters on TV right now is the hitman his bald. And yes, he's so funny. He's sofa money. I mean like I like I saw the first season. I liked to liked it anyway. But that character, I think he's adding like thirty percent of my joy of this whole series Verschoor waiting for scenes with him. So great. It's like it's like a Lance in the other two. Yes, not lily central character. But so funny every time he opens his mouth that. Yep. I'm amazed. That's a great analogy. Got I love Lance too. But yeah, no Hank has has some problems to dig out of himself, and he wants buried to do it to try to threaten him and stuff happens. So berry tries to basically like strike, a bargain with no hang about how to get out of his hitman responsibilities while still like, you know. You know, getting jobs done and maintaining his keeping his hands as clean as they can be that, you know, gets into interesting questions about like how complicit are you in act that you don't commit yourself. But that you also don't stop. I mean, it's it's like it's so much more than you expect a show about a hitman trying to be an actor to be. But there's there they've just thought through every single thing. And and I mean, speaking of sharply written like there's there's not a wasted second of berry ever. So I feel like I've oversold it. Barry is really good watch. Yeah. And we also we find out more about Sally's backstory too. But we didn't know before and that seems to be getting into some interesting areas to the longest time. I couldn't tell where my hatred of that character ended in the patrol started that character, I just like get under my skin. This is something that that keeps getting reported because because apparently the screening for the show in season, one agent said the same thing that he thought Sally was very annoying and a writer for the show. Emily Eller to be like a berry fucking kills people. Like, it's true. Like, she is an inch. You know, Sally is irritating self involved actress, but berries, literally a murderer like this is what TV wasn't making your judgement. I was just on just saying just saying that that characterization is so pitch perfect for they want the character to be that is like kind of like a sandpaper character. It's. You have to remind yourself that that is the character. They wanted you know, and the actors just doing a bang of job of. Yeah. She's great Sarah Goldberg Canada's zone, Sarah Goldberg, anyway, veep and bury Sunday nights after game of thrones soon. Currently after the case against Edman sciatic. Guess I'm not sure what's before it. Now. Anyway, we mentioned this last week. But I'll mention it again for my plug again with this has started its coverage of Melrose place and the episode just went up this week up the Melrose place pilot, so many terrible nineties fashions, you could not even conceive how terrible it's super fun to talk about. And I'm definitely less familiar with it personally than I was with. Oh, two. And also we're having fun alternating those and nine hundred one as we wind down the rest of none of two zero season. Ten good God. So check that out again with this podcast and AWT nine or two zero dot com on Twitter. That was again with this podcast dot com and to know on Twitter. Thank you, Dave. Will what do you got? All right. So the show I've been watching is the net flicks anthology series love and death and robots 'cause I guess I only watch and Thalji series. And I hadn't heard about the show just sorta showed up on my Netflix recommendation. I don't know if it's one of those shows that is showing up on everybody's thing the way like bird box did or if it's just that. They've they know that I watch a lot of scifi nerd stuff or whatever. But I hadn't heard of it showed up. I watched it, and I'm a really digging it. It's not perfect. But I, but I I I love it. I think because of its flaws it's basically like short like less than fifteen minute. All animated kind of like Pulp Fiction Sifi stuff lots of violence, lots of sex. It's it's sort of like the late seventies magazine. Heavy metal which was like sixty robots for like, nerd, boys or whatever or like, right? Sexy aliens, but but tended to be drawn by actually sort of amazing illustrator seed have is really of juvenile content. This is the old heavy metal magazine, but sort of like impressive art that became like its own Johner of style. I think like every iron maiden cover looked like a heavy in cover and stuff. It was kind of like a bag Zine of vans from painted vans from the seventies. Yeah. Women let their bikinis writing polar bears into battle, etc. Yeah. But with like eight with eight arms, and like a bulldog that has made a diamond or some. This show is similarly like a garish, but also how they do that. To that van. It's not quite as juvenile or. Or like. Problematically bikini ridden as old heavy metal. But I mean, although it does have some the sewed that are like that. It's more. It's more violent and like. Kind of gallows humor. Okay. It's better than what I'm saying. But it is not is it like a cathartic show. It seems like indulgently fund. It seems like somebody's like, you know, what I like those juvenile stories David fincher is one of the creators of the show. Let's make every episode look amazing. And they all do look amazing wildly different animated styles. All really good. And let's not worry. Let's have the story be go farther than you think in twelve minutes like they heightened incredibly fast, and then it's over. And I think the short length is a part of the reason I like it if these were half hour episodes. I don't think I would dig it. But it's like premise gets established a couple of things happen. Huge climax you're out, and I'm like woo watch the next one and there's eighteen episodes and through like nine of them. It's real. It's the first episode is gonna be really self selecting like if you're meant to watch the series you'll like the first episode, and if you're like, no, thanks. It's probably done his job of saving you the time. Once. It's really violent Sifi gladiator episode is the first one isn't that type of episode of service to his all how many times we said you gotta stick with show x for like three episodes four episodes the second half of the season like die for that time for that says about from the geckos. Good job. I f associates I hate you went on this. I I think it's good. And so like, a violent adults web show. Yes. Yes. Liquid television. Yeah. Sounds sort of a on flexi. Yes. Exactly. It's a it's a on flux. Maybe funnier than a on like it's got a little bit more of a cell. Yes. There was like zero humor that show. So that giggle. Fast, flux, right? I think you're right there. I think this is like people who saw that as kids that are like fondly, remember it and sort of trying to recapture the kind of slightly forbidden. But weirdly, exotic look of that. That's probably exactly nice. And will you are involved in many many podcasts from to throw across the universe and internet. Why don't you plug a couple like to plug the what I'd like to plug is called screw it. We're just gonna talk about Spiderman, which is my brother, and I talk about old Spiderman comic, so the changing it soon to just be screw just gonna talk about comics because we're going to broaden it. And I know the world doesn't need to middle age. Dudes talk mother for collection, but we did it. Anyway. My brother, and I. Group grew up reading them together as kids, and then we were because of family drama. We were sort of like separated for awhile. And then as it dolts got back together and found ourselves most happy to talk about our comics. Again, the com- comics very fond place in our relationship as a thing we go back to to like, strengthen our friendship. And so the the podcast is kind of me and him talk, matter comics and us reading them, and I'm a fan of my own podcast. And I would love it. If people checked it out, also if you wanna listen to will Hines he was recently on comedy, bang bang. As brandy useless. Correct. Ready useless session musician. Always good on comedy, bang bang. But I really enjoyed a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. I'm so glad you listened to it. I don't know if you guys have ever listen to comedy, bang bang. But I never did before. I was on my first one, and they didn't realize how insane it was. And I go I go in now with like, an occupation. And no other backstory, then I just say yes to Eddie question. Anybody asks me and just by the end of it. It's so crazy. So it's just I don't know you listen to an episode of comedy bang bang with me on it. I don't have any idea. What's going to happen? And just anytime anybody asked me anything, I go. Yes. That's right. And then. It's really good. Definitely put that in the show notes to. Thirty buddy. I am here to talk about E R. I know everyone else did their marathon rewatch when it dropped like a year ago. Was it a year ago was two years ago on Hulu yet sense of time, and he more I am just now watching shows that started like in the fifties? Anyway, just getting to it now because I had to teach labor lost in class last month experienced that scarred me all over again. And like two dozen twenty four twenty year olds like to we have to watch it again in class. I was like no we could just talk about it and hold hands. So then I just sort of like it was on when I chewed up. Hulu the next time knows like all right? Well, just keep going. I am no partway through season two. It's really interesting to watch these episodes right in a row knowing wish subplots you can safely zone out for because they either go nowhere. Or you don't care or big O? Nowhere edgy don't care. And it's also really interesting to see how they were trying to position certain characters, and how that doesn't really hold up all that well anymore like Doug Ross is a character that we are supposed to side with, but he's more of a petulant, dick. Then think the writers intended or and he was received at the time uh simply because a guy who was not so much in control of his acting Kroft back in the mid nineties was Mr. George Clooney notes received wisdom now that he was the carry grit of the twenty first century but back in the twentieth. He was coasting on looks big time in work it out. But I clock Luke Perry all the time for may rest for thinking that tilting his head is the same as acting. But understand that both he and the Clooney paid their rent with that shit for years, and you know, good for them. Anyway, amid sick second season right now when Mark is about to have the midlife crisis that basically lasted until he got a break tuber spoiler run elders on it and his peak foxy sideburns, Ron elder, and it's such a, hey, it's that guy fest. It's so fun in a recent episode. I think we had. Twenty four bad president, Gregory it's in. Arthur Miller sister Joan Copeland and oh God. Who's the other one that? I was like, oh, it's you Joanna Gleason. And now that was like one episode. It was amazing. If you want to join me on this. Hey, a sec journey. It is on Hulu. And I look forward to your comments on Twitter. Speaking of comments on Twitter. My plug is for my music podcast. Mark talk about songs in which Mark Blankenship. And I talk about songs we have recently completed the March Bastos bracket of enemies, British pop bands Duran Duran as triumphed as I think. God always intended. What were the other? What will the final four the final four was Durant, Iran. Here's Knicks U2.. Yes. We know technically, not British and. Fourth one. Oh, dear fears, right? Yes. Oh, wow. Great picks. So yeah, it was it was really a battle Royal. And so if you want to check out all the blood leading on our Facebook page, which is where all the voting took place. That's Facebook dot com slash mascot podcast Lincoln in the show notes. And patriot supporters are currently voting on which of the winner's singles, we'll be contemplating in our wrap up episode so voted and it looks like vote was was leading the pack yesterday yet. Oh, yeah. Who is still skin trade out in front of his then, you know, I I well, I don't know yesterday. I voted for Rio and that was in first place at the time. Oh, interesting. Right. Well, we'll see. Okay. So I want to talk about a show that we watched half of on the weekend called dead wind. So this is another Nordic war. And maybe the finish are not as crazy as Swedish cousins. But dead win is not as Kuku bananas than outings like the bridge. If you haven't watched Nordic Duar before they usually have like a Luther esque regard for realistic situations, which is I don't. Bridge starts with like a murder where somebody's body is exactly split literally split between the border of two countries on a bridge, but this show called dead wind here on Netflix follows a detective and in all these shows always a female detective usually forbid thirties or so. And this one follows the recipe. She's investigating them burder of a woman who's connected to a Helsinki construction company. That's like at the tail end of an early influence campaign to gain permission to build a new city of the future bottle in town, and she's going back to work just after a husband died. So, you know, there's the human angle she's got a lot of hair at a lot of sweaters. Lot of hair. Lot of sweaters. She's like a brass tacks sorta Vesa gator. She really is like as written for the as far as police were goes, she's like a fifty year old and a thirty year old body. Cheap. Really can't stand for the bureaucracy. She doesn't want that new rookie honor back accelerate cetera. It kind of feels like almost if you're a fan of the genera like a first draft of the bridge before they layered more and more like idiosyncratic elements on top of it feels like a more earthbound version of the bridge or four Belsen or something like that it's steady so far. It's not like a water cooler show in the same way than these other ones. Just because it's not bonkers like the other ones like stupid crazy stuff doesn't happen. Every week. It's more of a crime story. It is. But I will say that like Forber Dell's and the bridge it does it does have a lot of red herrings. Like we've we didn't look before we started the season. How many episodes it was when we got to episode five. I was like, well, this feels like the next one's finale is like, Nope. There's twelve episodes like not even close. But the difference. I think between this show and the other shows and the red herrings, and you're totally right as a staple of the Shawna. But usually in other shows like the killing the red herring. Almost signals a reset of. Yeah. The story. Whereas this one is like a minor setback or its side aside case or something like that. They're always building on the main story in a substantial way, I feel like so far anyway, so you don't feel robbed after the red herrings. Like, I think people did in other shows like killing especially the American version. I mentioned this our patriot show decided to now since we're talking about and Nordic Noir, the show get cracking, which is not Nordic war. But we're we're talking about a couple of weeks ago. There is a conceit inside the show that one of them is basically getting a job on a show like the bridge and just description was so perfect that I wanted to play the clip so this is from get cracking. They are in the middle of meditation episode with Karen, and there's talking about this show. Hang on what? Sorry, sorry, what TV show? It's just that you know, that dining serial killer drama, the the tower were different buddy pot of politicians politician on every floor of a tail. Yeah. Yes. Vaunt? What would you be doing on graphics? Sorry. Karen, not just on van shortlisted for the late take flighty. She's a genius jokes. So true anyways, dead win. It's like a slow burner recommendation for me. Yeah. It's on Netflix. This extra credit topic is called again with again with this from David poker. Pro it is a nod to our sister podcast, which I just mentioned again with this and David Pogue pro asks what other TV show needs again with this style. Episode by episode deep dive, pick me pick a comedian host today sect and a member of the cast or crew to tell tales from behind the scenes what burning question does the podcast answer during its run. When I thought about this. I remembered when we first got the golden age Simpson's DVD's and watched every episode that we had seen one million times. But this time with the commentary Hon, which this is basically what that would be. And I thought what other show would I want that experience with thirty rock another show that I've watched all the way through many times. And for my hosts, I'm gonna go with Steve I think it's pronounced Healy the cheese guy. Dave cheesed, please. Much cheese that was him in a minor role on the show, but he was also a writer on it. And is now writing on veep, actually, and Scott adds, it is my cast member because I feel like he probably doesn't care about pissing people off and would like tell the truth about shit that happened and what I most want to know from from him and everyone else who they could possibly get on. It was at what point did Alec Baldwin start becoming a monster. Was he mustered during that production because I'm just so curious about his trajectory? He was just in the news last week telling Howard Stern that what the lesson that he took from court ordered anger management was that he was not actually that angry, which no, but sure, but yeah, thirty rock is a show that I love, and yet is has a lot of in retrospect, even like from, you know, ten years ago or so problematic elements that I would love to see to thoughtful people or here. Two people talk about. So that is my pick will. Okay, mine is bad. I want. There's an old TV show called. It's your move. Stars Jason Bateman post silver spoons, which he was as a kid star with Rick Schroder. But he's still kid on this. And it was like one season. And I think it failed and was forgotten about. But I was like I don't know fourteen or fifteen when it came out at I remember thinking, it was great was like what are these shows that nobody was watching known was talking about. I said the show's funny, and smart and meta breaking the fourth wall and crazy, and nobody got into it. So I would watch it again. And I would listen to people I I would call it. It's your move. Was this a good show that would be my and every episode they'd be trying to answer that question. Like, so is it a good show? According to the internet. It's eight point two IMDB and ninth one TV dot com. Gosh, eighteen episodes, so work with this is like something you could probably get Jason Bateman to do on like a Stitcher original. I bet they could probably pay him enough to do it like as goof. I mean, I remember. Yeah. He was great on it. Like, he plays a teenage conman who has a attractive single mom and the neighbor across the street is the original neighbor from married with children before he got replaced with the better looking guy. Who's right? Forget Ted McGinley right care. David garrison. The actress name he lives across all he's a grownup version of Jason Bateman, also a con, man. So they're kind of trying to maneuver against each other in the Jason trying to stop his mom from dating this guy and the guy trying to win her affections. But it ends up mostly just centering on Jason's life and his schemes at his junior high school tried to get away with stuff and not have to study for tests or something. The axe read one audit is he had a best friend named alive. Play by. I'm seeing here. Adam Sadowski don't know if this guy did anything, but I remember thinking that guy's hilarious, and I would have him on to let me know the behind the scenes, what peseta remember like was all about whether he law was good at soccer and it ended with a big game and the opposing team kicks a ball toward the goal LA. Leaps for it. And they freeze frame the air. And then there's a big long scroll of text going. You know, it doesn't matter whether he blocked it. Matters is that he tried and like, let's give the guy break and just like this huge long break of text. And being like is this for real like doing this for nineteen Eighty-four? I was gonna say joss Weeden pre pre fares. Bueller? Pre aware of like just tropes. The final episode. They called goodbye for well. And Amen, which is also the name of the last episode of mash in nineteen Eighty-four to title your last episode of this nothing series, the same title of the at that time most watch television episode in history. I think plenty all right. That's their sort of an eighteen episode show. I'm going to pick one with like five thousand eighteen episodes supernatural now called simple natural history. And it'll be like drunk history. In that it's hosted by Derek waters and Jeffrey dean Morgan is the cast member who comes onto talk shit. But it has to be a think while you drink affair and it lasts an hour. And they just see how long they can remain coherent while trying to summarize the plot. Then the fun of it is that like, even if they're summarizing the plot in like minute one when no one has taken a sip of liquor, and it still sends comprehensible well that supernatural fauria there's like, you know, devils archangels and whatnot. So I think I made it through season and a half of that show. Not because I didn't like it. I just stopped watching it. But I would still listen to that I liked history. And I like Jeffrey dean Morgan that show is on at the gym today. And I thought that's that's about right. That's the show you put on when you're on the treadmill? Yes Murray, so mine, I didn't really do a celebrity thing. Just because the podcast of the show I need which is GI. Joe? The cartoon doesn't really lend itself to a celebrity because we have of lots of other types of people. We absolutely need to talk about Joe first of all you need genuinely non ironic fan of the show, which probably means some sort of mid forties. Manch old. That is your number one host you then want to pair them up with a military strategy guy or probably even better like a coffee table war. Book expert, you know, like, you know. Guy who learns everything from great tanks of the eastern front. And then applies it to GI Joe. And they will this person will compensate on the battlefield tactics used by GI Joe and Cobra during the episode's add to that we need a team building expert with insight into group dynamics, which play very important role in GI. Joe not only is it GI Joe versus Cobra. But within Cobra you got different factions got the dreadnought he got you know, the twins feel each other's emotions and pains finish each other's sentences. And then add to that someone's mom as just the person who knows absolutely nothing will ask the questions, and nobody else can replace your reasonable person coming into it with president is Jerry. And each week. A guest is picked based on that episode subject matter which got like super crazy which do. So for example, in the episode that we talked about a lot on this podcast. The cold slither episode into remind you in wish GI Joe and Cobra both develop competing rock and roll bands. In order to win the. Hearts and minds of America. You would get say one of the members of motley Crue since they're hot right now because of their so that is the show's structure in a nod to the excellent GI, Joe spoofs, we're gonna call this podcast pork chop sandwiches. And I think it has potential. I don't think it works with a celebrity guest. But if anybody has a suggestion I will throw it into the mix. We're here to talk about our beloved mod clause winters almost behind us. We promise. Now's the time to start thinking about stocking up on new wardrobe pieces for spring. It's a season that so much more than florals though. My clothes does have plenty of those. 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I submit Steven universe season. Three episode eight Mr. Greg the episode abruptly begins with an awesomely psychedelic ad for burger shack called pep as burgers. Gone. Your song is on TV. Yeah. Apparently Marty sold my song as a burger jingle. And now, I'm filthy stinking. Rich. The sweet stench of success through some efficient exposition we hear Greg Stevens dad has been gifted untold millions from his former manager in the form of royalties for the song, which explains was not about burgers at the time. Pearl would of the anthropomorphic magic gems even hangs out with as seen the video to improve seems distressed in slightly sad. Could this really be this song? That would Stephen mother rose, Stephen. And Greg wonder what to do with their newfound fortune. The song leasing together don't cost. Nothing is the first in this, Dun, Dun, Dun musical episode and provide some backstory. Round don't cost nothing. Sing song. Don't cost nothing to spend all this money. I'd rather just been time with you could buy a house and car, I guess that. I can already got a fan. I could put you through college gems all the time. Could buy you all the fun is causes. Took a trip think. Yeah. Do we could take a vacation? We could go somewhere new. Has been happy with van and not living in a house. Even most of his time with the gem so school isn't a big thing. And they both want to just enjoy each other's company. Excitedly they progress rate into the next song empire city, cough, cough, New York City, cough, cough after a rousing highlight of why New York is the best option. C'mon ends. It's by inviting Pearl, which ends the whole thing on a sour note. Greg seems dubious even Perlas confuse pros line past experiences. Taught me three's. A crowd is a direct reference to series cannon that Greg kind soul Rose's affections from Pearl. It's playing there as capital as Stu between Pearl, and Greg, but whatever here we go. We arrive in empire city to appropriate jazzy fanfare, and Stephen Gregg have some fun throwing the money around, by the way, Pearl a tux gives me life the song. Mr. Greg is fun in a way that makes you wanna tap dance to. Shake mystic, right. I spent these. But when you out with me, it's the finest if rake table, hey, no. Just built to my Bank. Even Perlas enjoying yourself until Greg tries to capitalize on this moment. Pearl does a wet towel and the whole thing and walks off later in the night video games played between dollar sweet, trashed Pearl. Sings it's over, isn't it? It's so rare to see cartoon characters really moat and cry this way, it is clear that Pearl feels real motion for rose and the pain of being the lover who is left I for another person. And then because of death is still very close. Yeah. Guys roses, technically dead, technically, Stephen, it's magical gems. It makes sense. The song is sad and beautiful and likely my favorite of all seen universe songs. I was fine with the men. Who would come into lies now? Again, I was fine. 'cause I knew that they didn't really. You. I was fine when you can. And we thought it was all stunts silly game. Oh. Who she choose after all those years? I never thought I lose. It's over isn't is an. Is it over its, isn't it? You. Then she'd shows you and she loved you. Hits over is. Why can't move all? After the song Pearl ish shocked to see that Stephen and Greg. We're listening the whole time awkwardness ensues ends even convinces Pearl in Greg talk it out in the last full song. Both of you see even statement that they're avoiding it. And he doesn't know why is indicative of his age and the reality that have Greg pearled talked about Dr over they might find some comfort in each other. Steven has a simple and innocent quality to him that makes it easy to accept his childish confusion in see it actually tinged with wisdom. There are some cartoon magic here. Greg Pearle, honest with each other and this provides relief when in real life, especially love triangles things are messy. But this is the wonder if even universe if we could all be open, honest, maybe things would be easier. Not believe. But. Common. Oh. Ate meat. I hate you. How you felt about rose, and I stayed anyway, the problem than what what's she fell in love with you. No rose. She would she wanted you both need. I know you. Someone who knows what you're going through. The episode closes with some reprisals of old songs and evidence that the air is now clear between Greg Pearl Stephen university by far one of my favorite shows of all time dot just for it. Celebrate of openly queer non binary characters multitudes of body types in the depictions of narrative versity, but for its willingness to tackle complex ideas in a children's show as a queer dull, this is something I would have loved as a queer child. Stephen is often shown morning grappling with the death of his mother Pearl in grad more in the death of a lover fusion when two gems combined to form in even awesome are more bigger. More powerful jam is often a metaphor for love relationships in his used to teach lessons about consent. Also, just that you should be a good person in enjoy people for who they are is basically embodied by Stephen it wished even universe where little longer. I wish I was. So it had my all time favorite character Garnett. But often the episodes with tons of characters are difficult for first time viewers instead I chosen episode that depicts Stevens. Verse doing what it does best which is address complex ideas? Happy cool tunes, and in general warm fuzzies for all thanks make you show. Will you our guest you chose this from available canon submissions, by user? So why don't you take the first Greco? Oh, thank you. I had never seen this show. But a my brother who do that podcast with talked about before his raved about it to me. And my brother is extremely fussy about all animated shows in the in the manner of true comic book nerd, but he raved about Steven universe. Like, he couldn't say enough good things about it. And it was one of the it's one of the shows that I just been meaning to watch. But for whatever reason hadn't gotten around to for. No definite reason. So that's why picked it. I wanted the opportunity to see it. And this up Assode blew me away. I was so moved and so happy, and so am I cried during the it's over song? And I didn't know any of. The backstory the characters completely cold, but I picked up on everything. And it's so. Gutsy. I mean, it's so amazingly agile for this show such a short time to cover such emotions and also to include such normally deal breaking topics of like, a dead mom and absent lover. The complicated. Nuance of Dulce who were rivals. I was I this is a great pick leash because it won me over wholeheartedly. It's in it's in amazing episode of television without question and this and the the opening song the opening pep as burger commercial jingle was so funny. So like sure handedly funny, and I didn't know at that point that it was a musical like, I hope they do more songs. And then the whole episode was basically all songs, and I was delighted for that. I was completely blown away. I can't wait to watch everything I'm gonna watch the whole series without quest. Sarah. Yeah. One of my cannon criteria is do you want to just let your streaming service role? You'll into the next episode or two episodes. That was definitely the case here. It was hard to believe how much ground got covered in under twelve minutes. There's like the funny settling first of all songwriting is really clever and catchy. You know? Bundy enemy of the musical. I really enjoyed all the songs I also is like sourcing some things in the production design. This is a cartoon understand that is still at that hot dog duffel bag make this happen for me listeners. Just tell me where it can get one. I will carry it everywhere and name it and treasury like a child. I also is one over quickly. Because one of my cats Pearl has like sort of the same. She seems to be grieving something that her humans don't understand. So I could sort of relate strongly this character being like, I am not interested in fun because that is what feel Pearl this like. She's actually meowing very faintly right now just out of Mike range. This show is really amazing and unusual because you have this. Joy and this humor and cleverness. And you also have this deep sadness that is not really resolved. It is a Melia rated somewhat like it's Levin somewhat by that song in that conversation. But it's not fixed. And these things are just allowed to coexist as they must do in life. And you know, if hits are watching this, and sort of absorbing lake sometimes, this is just how life is that there's you know, laughter and humor. But also, the these empty spaces in your life. I found that very moving and youthful and Rafe to to do. That's really that's really something to in a in a kid show. So yeah, this was at standing delightful presentation. Thanks, lisa. I I'm glad that we'll said his comic nerd brother approves of the design because I thought it looked amazing. It has a quasi anime. Look. It's like it's like a better modernized kind of speed racer look to the character designs. But every time we see Greg. He's got this like huge, you know, voluminous kind of grown up Mullick of the Volta it. Sure. Yes, it has it has like the hair is almost a character unto itself. Like all of the carry us. You can get so much like we all were coming into this show cold. None of us had seen it before. And and and yet like the even just the character design tells you so much about who they all are. And it's it's definitely true that that the musical presentation gets across a Norma's amount of of information and backstory in a really economical way. And I I you know, 'cause I didn't know any. The show that I didn't know what pearls relationship was to rose. Like was it? Her sister. Was you know? Oh, nope. Got it. So yeah, it's it's it's really sweet and lovely and moving, and I want to also just mention a great voice performance by the pride of New Jersey. Tom sharp Ling as as Greg Stevens, dad. I yeah. I I loved it. It was lovely and like, Sarah, it made me wanna wanna watch more of the show because even though this is a very as we said, a very simple episodes with just a few characters. You can you can still read into it like how rich the world of this show is made me want to know more about it. Dave the sweet show it is. But it's also very bittersweet. I mean. I mean sewed was and such a rare thing to say about a kids episode of the show like there have been other bittersweet episodes of like, I don't know regular show or something where people grow up and have to do things and people leave, and and that, but not on this level for how long this episode is which is, you know, twelve twelve minutes. Ten twelve minutes is extremely economical. And how they put everything out there still managed to have three or four songs, but not feel like you're getting the bum's rush to the resolution. It takes his time at the start, you know, as they establish a reason to have this getaway. There's a moment into van when Greg Stephen are discussing what to do with this windfall. And there's a line in the song. Or maybe it's just I log about something about your breeze. And in that moment, you know, an actual breeze goes through the van and just. Yeah. Their hair ever so slightly. There's something about the boat that moment that does. Immediately took me back to like like those first memories of going with your parents to park or something like that mealy took me back to this moment in my life. I thought that was kind of amazing for show that I just started watching minutes before that the amount of touchy touchy. Well, yeah, I'll say touchy to America at large that this show will tackles in its short run is kind of amazing and all that would be kind of impressive. But then you've course you have to consider this is a kid show. And how amazing of a message that is freakish show. How rare it is? And and progressive like, this is the show, you know, mama. Don't let your sons grew up to be bagasse. Like, this is the show you start them up with when they're young, you know, like this is the kind of stuff that you want. Your kids to be exposed to ballsy, and it's sweet is bittersweet, and it's just sort of very lovely show. And I definitely do want to check more of it out. Like, well, I've heard this show is great from so many people for so long. And it's just one of those shows that. Doesn't really come up. Let's start this show 'cause it's a kiss show. Right. And sometimes you just needed excuse to get started. And leo. Thank you very much for that. Excuse. I definitely want to check them more. So with that let us put it to a vote will Hines officially what say you can and worthy. Indeed. Yes. Sarah, yester- me tar area. I say and me too. That means Steven universe season. Three episode. Twelve fister. Greg. You're hereby inducted into the extra Kenan. Level you. And will not tolerate a little bit. It's time for winner. And a loser of the week. Sarah has our winter. I do it's law and order SVU which has been renewed for season. Twenty one black is us the longest running live action scripted Show TV history. Am I super happy that outlived mothership? No. But they're making it up to be by getting rid of as rendered it in the dock stones. Shitty. ADA kid. He's like, yeah. He's he's just not a good fit. If they really wanted to bring in the fans of mothership who fondly remember, the Ben stone era, they would act out Michael Moriarty, you're in Manitoba where he's running for prime minister of Israel Dada joke. Put him back on the show because will be dull Scott, people are interesting, whatever Noah plotlines anyway. Congratulations SVU and for everyone else's refusing to quit this because they're completed its. Here we go. Who is our loser. Just to quickly back up to the cannon leash had called it season. Three episode eight of even universe, which is what it is on. But on Hulu if you're looking to start with this particular episode, they haven't as season three episode twelve now loser of the week, Tori, spelling. Not for running some kind of weird beauty MLM with zerang, which I just found out from both of their Instagram stories this week. But. She's also right now she and jetty Garth in Tel-Aviv like doing on some kind of working vacation something revolving around children's clothings like, yeah. Sure. That's where you go to launch your children's fashion line. I don't know. Anyway, she's a getting dragged by mom mom internet for sponsored Instagram post and story for little bites muffins in which she characterizes these as a healthy snack because they don't have high fructose corn syrup like pretty sure the rest of it is all pure garbage. Even if it's real sugar, it's not healthy for your kids. But no, no all the best drops to the bottom of the Muffin. So if you could top. Got it. So they're small they are small anyway, I guess she has to make money off her nineteen children. Somehow just kidding. They're five knock getting there are five and this is what she decided to get her awful mother cut her off. So this is the world we all live in with Tori, spelling just give them on a break. She just trying to make some Muffin money as our wheel. Are we go Muffin money? What time it is time? We are playing the tenth game of the current seasons. He's in scores. Sarah four still one away from the season victory value. Guests three Tara to today. We are challenging your knowledge of TV friendships in a game. I'm calling. Senior face before my friend. But I don't know if you know who I am from Madame ozo- Kerley who earns herself and extra read it. Guess the name the full name of TV character based on the name of his or her best friend. Okay. If you need a hint give you the name of another character from the same series. Okay. All right. So two points without the hint one point with the hint. For example. I would say John Watson, you would say Jerry lack owns sure. And of course, is from Sherlock Sherlock would be the hint note, a best friend cannot be another member of the characters family. So no Frazier and Niles crane in this game. Okay. Tara steel mill situation. Thank you. Dave. I have one steal meal. Valued guest has one steal meal. So we'll have this works as if if Sarah or I answer a question wrong. And you know, the answer you can jump in and say steal meal the points. All right with that in mind Lasorda picky to see who is going to go first. We will start with valued guest. All right. That means on deck. Followed by Sarah. Then Tara are we ready to play? I seriously just finished writing, Dan. Question actually before we start if we guess for two points, and we're wrong, you only get one crack at the answer fair. Right. So with round one we're going to talk about comedies all these shows talking about are comedies. Are you ready? Will I am ready road up Morgenstern? Yeah. Mary the characters name Mary gosh. Retirement more. I don't know the characters name. You're almost there. That was Mary Richards Richards core gorgeous. All right, Ethel Mertz. Luc- ricardo. Of course. All right. That is good for two points for Tara if Edina monsoon who's for best friend almost read the answer. Patsy. Stone pets stone from. Absolutely, correct. All right back to will just read one two three one name days. I know dow- who is best friends with Jenna Maroney. Liz limit Liz limit from thirty rock. Correct. So the hint was Siri do you know what series last name is in the show now series? Xerox is what? Excellent. All right to Sarah, surely Fini. All right. It is Laverne something. Laverne? I don't know if this is right. But what choice of I got Laverne de defazio. He'll Tara AC Slater. Zack Morris from saved by the bell. Correct. All right back to they were more frenemies in my opinion. But. You're stating that Paul up Proctor or will. Plumbing. Doctor your hint is white. Josh white. Josh is another character from the show that Paula Proctor is in. I don't I've another hand you were on the show will dear was. That really. Yeah. I have no idea. All right. Is Rebecca bunch from crazy ex girlfriend show that will was on. Yeah. That I made a canon submission. That included will. Did you really that up? Cool Rebecca bunch is sitting beside you right now. Sarah, d bunting Garth elgar. Oh, jesus. Al gar. Why can't I remember Wayne's last name Wayne the musical fruits? Let's strike through it. Wale meal deals. Do little for twain Campbell Wayne Campbell from Saturday night. Live is correct. I couldn't think of it either. I couldn't think of it either. I am now exhausted of steel meals. Tar here's your actual question. BJ Honeycutt friends Hawkeye peers, peer smash, correct? Paul Pfeiffer will Paul Pfeifer. I need to hit. All right. Another character from this show is Winnie Cooper, right? Right. Okay. Characters name gosh. Don't know. Kevin Arnold is the actor. The no. Switched him in my brain well done. That's why you just throw something out there in desperation if need be. All right, Sara Jane lane. Shane lame. Yes. Glues the two. But yeah. No g the leave. Let's have hint Tiffany blunt declaration. Hyphenated last name. Well of the intercourse Pennsylvania blunt declaration. I I don't know Benson. Anybody? Door Dario Morgan Dorfer does. All right. All right. Tara. It's norm. Peterson cliff klavan with Cleveland from tears her. Yeah. Okay. Will oh picky smiles upon you. I believe Abby Abrams. Alana Wexler broad city another show on indeed Serity, bunting and Perkins. Qin's? Ann Perkins hint, Andy Dwyer, it's another character on this show. Leslie. Nope. Got it. I R A N just the buzzer. All right last question of round one in our comedies section for Tara yours character, Patrick Patrick specify. Spongebob squarepants. Sure is and is read one scores. Police are hey. In. I have twelve points will inspire are tied with five points each. All right. Don't despair because you two are no in. The. Gross worth equalizer talented zone. Will I'm holding in front of me a card from a mid nineties trivial pursuit TV box. All right. Okay. All right. You get to team up with Sarah because you're both tied for last place. If you get three of the six questions, right? You'll get to split two points. If you get all, right. Get split four points. Okay. We can we can confer with each other or talk it out four points. Yes points. Yes. Sarah's right. They get double the max number of questions. Mike. Okay. Yes. Four eight points at St. one these days. I remember the bath starting off with classics. What are you army shows laugh track came from a live body of GI's? I know this. I'm just not sure what's going to be rendered on the card. You do know it. I do it's either sergeant bilko or the Fred there the Phil silvers show. Until silver show. But yes, you're nice rector bunting, t you. Recent. I know that all right, stricter bunting and will Hines star of crazy ex girlfriend and a star. That's right sitcoms time what nineteen eighty three sitcoms lead characters were Colonel Potter, corporal Klinger and father McKay. A after mash, right, sir. Aftermath doing really well to attitude now onto drama what intergalactic heroes life support system was frozen for five hundred four years. Sarah. I know this do you notice? I do not go for it. I think it's I'm pretty sure it's buck Rogers. You've got three you've got four points to split between. You can get the next three. We're going to double that. What nineteen seventy-one show did PBS aim at second through fourth graders. This is the right time line for it to be a can we can. The could be Sesame Street. I mean, this is the right time line for that could also be electric company. Yeah. I think it's electric company 'cause I think Sesame Street actually started in the late sixties. Let's go let's go with electric company. Okay. All right. Letch core. Racked. All right stars. This is this is interesting. What sports caster was nicknamed the mouth? Well, no, let's let's go with that. Yeah. Okay. Leash. It all comes down to this. This is the wild card category. You have by my math. But a one in seven chance of answering this correctly question. What day of the week gave us the love boat and fantasy island that is Saturday. I am comfortable with that answer. Guess what? Guys, you just. Nice. All right. That really changes things. Let's get the update of scores everybody. Damn right. It's does. All right. Well, I still twelve points. But now will and Sarah are both at nine. Guys, it's been forever. Since anyone ran the table on a card. A second time is up amazing Oregon ground to same order. We're talking about drama and drama these all right, and sometimes it drama these kind of loose. So a mind we're going to start again with will write your first friend is sukey Saint James. Should be easy. But I don't know need to hit. Your hint is Luke Danes. I don't know was on the show. No best friend of sukey is Laura like Gilmore, oh, good heavens. This is question. Seven teen in idiot radio. Four Sarah pacey Witter. Well. He's more of a nearby shit healed and a friend, but for argument's sake. Let's say it's Dawson leery. You are correct. They sleep at Tara. Yes. Pristina gang. Meredith Meredith grey. All right back to whale. This is. Who is the best friend of willow Rosenberg? Rosenberg? Yeah. You are not on this show. Yep. Okay. I don't know information we provide to. I just felt like I should. Willow, Rosenberg more, commonly known will be something. I don't know. I don't know something is. Yeah. Pretty very close or oh, yes. You very close back to Sarah, Brian, Atwood. Ryan, atwood. The little shits name. I'm gonna have to guess, I'm not totally sure. Let's try Seth Cohen. Nice. To Tara tastiest? Oh. Pu say Washington arrack oranges in the hint. I had to provide put chicken of myth. Back to will. Molly carter. Only Carter you are not in this show as far as the show. Okay. I'll take a hint. I'll take a hit your hint. Character is Tiffany DuBois. I don't know. I don't know. No, I don't oh. It is from his show called insecure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Course, of course, of course, back to Sarah Wallace fennel. Mars from who? Correct. All right to Tara Ken puch, insulin. And this is or gonna action. Okay. I don't know who that is. So I'll take a hint base. Your hit is huggy bear. Oh. Shit started d- what the hell is this? I I don't know David David Starsky. What a hail Mary my family. All right. Everybody's last question around to coming up. This is Will's Boyd Crowder Boyd Crowder best friend to. Wait sounds familiar. I'll tell you that tell you that take it hit. Again, we're talking Wenonah Hawking's is another character from this show. He's names of great names have a lot of style a lot of personality because some swagger. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Nope. Throw it out there. You did. Really? Well, when throughout the last one, let's do it Winchester Yamaha. Sort of box of the character. Actually, the first part of it. Anyways, tara. Railing givens justify the answer. Oh, good. All right to Sarah Sol star. Saul star speaking of off with his pants. This is. Seth. I think of the name let me stall by for hint. You wanna him? All right. Even though I think you're no it is Mr. woo. I mean, I know the show. I just don't remember the guy's last name had a hardware store. Together calls you out the thoroughfare. We're talking about Seth Bullock Bullock. Right. All right last question around to for Tara, Mary Beth Lacey. Christine cagney. Dial all right around to do questions left. Let's get the scores. Okay. I have nineteen points Sarah de venting, his fifteen points will as nine. Same things before. All right. Well, we're starting off with classics. Thank you, some nineteen forty eight presidential hopeful built himself as the only candidate completely made of wood keep in mind, title TV shows. To read that question different way. What characters fake nineteen forty eight presidential campaign he build himself as the only Kennedy completely made of wood forty eight. Yeah. Pinocchio? Nokia? Jason how do you do? Yeah. Sitcoms. Does sheriff Andy Taylor drink alcohol. I'll say yes, did he does. Drunk and beat his wife. He's a different, you know, drama what show rotating with McMillan and wife and McLeod made up the NBC mystery movie. Columba? Well, the only one of these last three to get your points. Nice. And this is a tough one. So you're not gonna get this one. Who was the voice behind Kermit, the frog? Yeah. Because it's no way to Jim Henson. What got the last two as well ran this. If you just that first question coup dance for the last time on ABC's sixtieth anniversary celebration of his show biz career nineteen ninety dance. Stars. Yeah yet. Yeah. No singing in the rain Jeanne. No, that's not the answer. Sammy Davis junior. Fred astaire. I would've too. All right. Well done. You got yourself some point. So tar up. All right. I've nineteen points. Fifteen points will now has there. All right. Well done. All right all questions. Here are worth two points. But everybody has to questions only around three. And as you question, you answer it two points or the right answer. Here we go will who calls his best friend chocolate bear. It sounds fun. And I don't I don't know. Sure. Yes. J D from JD. Scripts Sarah, d bunting who calls his best friend boner. Boner? I know this Seaver comma that. Not Tom not my hit, sir. That would be pretty funny crossover event. It's again strangely. Enough is Mr. Wu. It's not says, it's not Laverne Siefert. No. The dad is Jason. So the kid was obviously. Such a good. Mike. Pains to. His best friend ghee butter snaps Felicia fancy bottom or magic head to name a few. I don't know Sean Spencer of psych. I should've just guessed site. The supernatural questions. Nobody answered SuperNet combined. The author of this canton. To will calls her best friend a rainbow infuse space unicorn. And she clear it sounds like some answers might be in here. More than once. Yes. Yes. Yes. From the same soap, correct? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I'm gonna guess again. A lot of Wexler gas that we're looking for Leslie. Nope parks. Oh, yeah. To Sarah who could be wearing anymore of their best friends close. Who's actually actually during the close be any more of their best friends close. Close Joey trivia trivia, friends, this correct last question of the tar. Okay. Who gives himself embarrassing dick names, like the deuce or Tinkerbell whenever his best friend concocts a new plan. This one either. Charles Boyle from Brooklyn nine nine, oh, I show that will was on. Yep. I was on it. Was on it. All right scores leased, okay. I still have nineteen point Sarah now, seventeen points will has thirteen points. All right. That was the end of the game. I don't know if that was clear when I started around three, but that. Yeah. That's what. Tara. Here's the tiebreaker which we're going to convert into a future steal. All right. I want you to ide- both the best friends from this list of activities. Are you ready shadowed if you know looking for the character's names, first names are fine? One of the things they did was surviving zombie attack. Rickie Morty incorrect. Second item creating a fake morning show without cameras. Oh, Tori, Abed Troy and Abed from community is the answer. Tara gets us. Well, that is it for another episode of extra grade, we traveled through another dimension for the Jordan Peele reboot the twilight zone before going around the dial. Where Tara elected to talk about peop- and gave season two Barria shot. We'll streamed love death and robots Sarah, visited DR and Dave finished up with dead deadwood. We pitched some new episode by episode TV podcasts and leash successfully pitched us aid gem of a cannon with Steven universes. Stra greg. We winners and losers of the week. And Tara was a winner up this week's game. Remember? Sitting. I am David Cole. And it'd be half of tar area Gant that Muffin money. Ciro Di bunting well regulated. Hines was I on this show. Listening everyone next time right here. Extra loughry. Jeff sandwiches shit. Doing good. Fuck. Here you idiot. Fuck out.
Ariel by Dean Friedman
"It's the new dairy Queen Vegetarian, menu onion rings, pickles, and that's it this week on the story podcast. Score. Everybody welcome back to the story song. podcast damn accoring I'm Rachel OAKES. Zell ever, so we walked through the world of a story song and this week. We are looking into the mouth of madness. Earned this is. Ariel by Dean Friedman I mean before we get started with anything on I. I heard this song for the first time about two hours ago and all I have to say is what I just listened to. Yeah I could go into love. I also heard this on I think it was on the seventy channel on Satellite, radio and much like lonely boy. It was definitely a like. What wait a minute? What is happening by this? Was this left me less angry. I was definitely far more delighted. To Delight Delight. Well it's the opposite where whereas lonely boy leaves out a lot of the story. Yeah, this is every single. detail. and. This is. Lonely boy is. All story, no details this. There's no story this is. Literally just details. This is a nineties fashion magazine. Because this is details, there's nothing. have. So yeah, but I like I said I think this is the rare song that I do think is a good song and yet I'd love it i. Love this song, but also but again. Being fully aware that objectively dishonest, not good, and we're going to get more into into that and to to Mr Friedman's career on, but. Okay, so the story is where in New Jersey and. Our narrator, our protagonists dean. We'll call him. meets a young lady at the mall He instantly falls in love with her again. We learned a lot of details like she's Jewish that does not see I mean. That's fine, but it's not seem to. Matter one way or the other. And he tells her that he's in a rock and roll band. She should come see it, she does they go to dairy queen. Place, they watch TV and they make love at the end and Oh enr also toll that will dean has fallen in love with this woman whose name is. We've also told that she is a beautiful singing voice at no point in the song. Does she sing? and has nothing to do with anything. That is the refrain of is how beautiful! So what do they? Don't way on the. Side of Mus Berbie Young. We're all. She sang binding. Stanton bog quarter. Bark she was working for the grants. Beef a high. Waters in a copy. She was looking for change, so was I. Let's start at the top here. He says hey, on the would start at the top as if it matters. We can start sideways. It really doesn't matter, but it's just a series of details and the order does not matter. Just just for a tradition sake, let's start. Says Way on the other side of the Hudson. Deep in the bosom of Suburbia I met a young girl. She sang mighty fine tears on my pillow and Ave Maria quite the range. Definitely. End Ave Maria the first thing I want to say. Is that so I believe? Dean lives in New Jersey. In Paris and we can discuss that in a moment, but it is funny. How he saying way on the other side of the Hudson, so that is oriented from New York City. From Manhattan. And yet, so it's in a way. He's almost seeing himself. Like not as the central character in his own story in a way, or not in the central location like he's thinking of himself as I'm on the other side of the Hudson Right. New York. City like I. It's just I. Just find that. As the impression that I got was that he was from New York City and he went out to Jersey. Okay that is very possible. That's what I winning. I wanted sketch what I thought too, or he's. He's keeping in mind. His audience, which probably clubs in New, York City and they're like. If he just said parameter they'd be like. Where is that mythical place? Like! Parameters through the mall is on the other side of the Hudson. Oh you mean New Jersey I, never go there. Yeah, and that's the other thing that's funny is that he doesn't say deep. In New, Jersey says on the other side of the Hudson right so again. It's like a you know that's the way so in from from you know some some Manhattanite Club Goer might even think of it. It's like Oh. That's on the other. That's across the bridge exactly. I go I, only see it from my penthouse apartment. But I've never actually been over. There so debate. I gotTA take half trained to get there. No. There's No way this myth this hypothetical. We're talking about video. Even know the term the patch. Oh You! Don't even know what your dot car service all the way. You. Are At least taxi, yeah! If for some reason, they have to go to Jersey. City but yeah they they are not familiar with with the path train. The train goes on a path I know. But the rest of IT I. Don't know what you're talking about. New Jersey? I met a young girl. She sang mighty fine tears on my pillow and Ave Maria now. I think those are if if you do have a good singing voice, I think those are definitely to good socks. 'cause tears on the pill to my pillow is a tough one. That's very sorta like You can't really high like I as a person who is not a good singer, but in the past has done a lot of Karaoke. I know the songs in which you a good singer, the songs you can hide in. And the ones where you are exposed. Nakedly exposing not a good singer. Never attempted tears on my pillow, but I feel like that's definitely one. That's going to quickly expose you if you don't if you don't have the talent chops. And then obviously I've Maria you know is a is Ave. Maria sweet? Yeah, it's sweeping song done by the best of the best sal Guess she I guess she was was singing him, but as as we've already mentioned this never happens in the song, but why this details here Ave Maria you need an operatic voice for tears on my pillow I. Mean You have to? You have to act your way through that song that is, that's a full performance like if you're not good. But. You're not going to sell it. Where is she singing? Because she just singing in the middle of the mall. I mean possibly she was actually a backup singer for little anthony and the imperials, and they don't get into that and that song. Well she was singing tears on my pillow, but it was her job to sing tears on my pillow right well, this is the confusing part, and then we get into the next court I mean listen. The next verse also adds to the confusion because she's clearly a music lover. Well then I was GONNA say so. The other thing I like is that obviously there are net there are. This is nine hundred seventy seven. When science released there are references there are over and subtle references to marijuana. This is definitely a story that like a guy at a party is telling you where he's like really high, and it's just going on and on and on, and if you're on his wavelength, then that's fine. You're like Oh yeah, man I totally. Ave Maria I totally know you're coming from I absolutely or if you're not, you're just like what is happening this. A ramble of random details that don't add up to anything. Standing by the waterfall in Paramus Park. She was working for the Friends of the I she was collecting cordage under Paper Cup. She was looking for change, and so as i. that's good, that's. Great that's. Great Line. When I heard it I had to be like. I heard to go back and we're like wait. He just say Oh, well done well done, Friedman. So, steady Sparks so premise park is a mall. So she is, she's in the mall and obviously it's the seventies. The seventies or eighties. There's a waterfall in the mall. For no reason. And she's working for the Friends of. Nature. I think you've already set it out, but that would that means. So it took me a minute at first I was like the Friends of. The I. What is that like a? Is it like Linka weird like a save the rainforest type thing, but then I realized where we were and its WBAI. It's a radio station be. Yeah so be is a community funded radio stations. She's collecting money for the radio station. I can picture her set up by the way. She's got holding table with one of those banners. And she's got a little like sign up board and her Little Paper Cup for Change. Yeah. Saying Save the Clock Tower. So, maybe sheeting, you're working for a radio station, said no, but the clock tower is our morning drive show so right. Yeah, save it yet, mad dog and the clock tower. CLUCKED! Dog I'm telling you. The giants are GONNA to win. Tower all right that right? SETTLE DOWN, SETTLE DOWN! We'll be back. Draw you make a good Poi- Glock told you make a good point. I can't argue well done well done. They will go all the way this year. Is. Not Sports Station. That! Dog That's all I guess sports guy. Most O. J.'s morning ride. By the way good on your damn that you thought I knew that mad dog was a specific room. What am I to say this? Isn't that just every radio GUY's name? I think so yeah, so. Going back to aerial. Maybe, she was singing. Maybe part of her GIG was to set up and sing some songs, and then be like if you wanna hear more songs by not me. Right, THAT WOULD BE I. I mean. If you want me to stop singing. Listen to the radio. We need your money. Maybe that's how. It, if nineteen, seventy seven right, and she's like Dick who is working for the Friends of the I and she's collecting coins in the mall for the radio station. If you were to tell me that, her bit was to sing. Loudly to get people's attention, I would that makes total right by belief that that that's what she's doing. I'm sure he would find that, very. House. Voted number back. From. Said? The. Moroccan. Took the shower put? mind. She Up. On the. PODCAST! I guess I am. This does feel a lot like. Here we are. We're in the story now. I! Like it started, and then like each excess detailed really does not add up to anything other than to paint a picture. Especially if Ariel, but otherwise there's not you know we're not getting. There's no like dramatic irony reveal. That's GonNa come later in the song any of these details. We'll have mattered I'M GONNA go out on a limb and say that Dean Friedman is of Jewish heritage, so that line is specifically for his mother. Big Swing? His mother. A. Jewish girl and I love her, and his mother said thank. Thank you got it. Yeah. That's offering audience of one that's. That's when his mom listened to the song he just. He added slip that in somewhere. It's cool. Yes, go, that's right. I mean all these song. All these details are like sort of observations. She was singing. She was collecting money. She was at the mall. He fell in love with her. Like there's there's a jump. At. Lead the falling in love with her is like slow. Your Roll Dean, because just met her you. Because the next line is him. is her writing his know. Her writing her number on his hand, so they're still at their first introduction and he's. So I feel that Michael I understand that, but I don't I don't think. He shoved his hand out in front of her and said number. Conversation first she was. You know busking for change, but for all the details at he gives, he doesn't give that detail. I walked out and said Hello China when he says I fell in love with her. I mean I think you know I think he's a love for site. Terrific right I think he's he's. He's smitten with her. and I don't think he's necessarily saying. This is the official love of my life forever But yeah, so they talk which she wrote her number on the back of my hand. I called her up. I was out of breath. And I said come. Hear me play in my rock and roll bed. Okay, so we got to go through this real quick. Called her up. That's fine. I was out of breath why? Why? As soon as she wrote the number on his hand, he ran to the payphone. On the other side of the mall. But. Our. Cellphone studied seventy seven. To you left to be left a message on your answering machine. But edgy she'd at that point I come here and play Click. Staying on Dean Friedman Side I you guys are not romantic. In the least. He saw out of breath because he's in love with her and he's nervous. The first time he's calling her. I. Nervous to speak to her I don't I, don't I? Don't want your Yuk Yuks right now. He's in love. And that's what it is. Like have guys come on? Let's respect a little young. Love here, right? Some of our love. But if all the things that happened when you're nervous, I don't I don't think being out of breath. Like mentioned off. I've been nervous before. I've never been breath for being well. He also did a five. He did a fight, we'll. Say. Doesn't it say like if he's had a breath like was he like building a tree house? All Day was e running from a bear like what happened just before he called that he just wake up from a nightmare like these are all the reasons you would be out of. BRAFF Probably, the bear thing, right. there. Yeah are Rozina production of God's spell like came right off stage. Sorry, who? was. Tonight anyway. I was wondering if you would I to. You like you want to call you back in five minutes now. I got I got. Three. pair. Do. You, WANNA. Come see my band. So yeah, okay so I'm at a Brat again a detail that has nothing to do with anything, but I do it delightful. So then he might have been calling from Jacqueline. Who knows maybe yeah, that's the thing I mean wh. What was it back that? Yeah, I mean. He probably was actually being. The class was probably being taught by Jack. Right Jack Elaine like there's probably the one location In this class we learn how to pull a tugboat with our teeth. E-CLASS Jacqueline. I'm calling from a fitness club. Which is the thing now? Yeah? It was invented last week. We're all very excited about it. So, then he says Come here. Come here. We play rock and roll band, which obviously her next response to that is. Don't ever call me again. WHO's this number? Immediately I'M NOT INTERESTED ERIC Terrible rock and roll bad right? Thank you anyway. but I mean. Presumably she says yes. He says I took a shower and I. Put on my best blue jeans. So I can imagine what Dean's best blue jeans look like. Which means I do not want to imagine his worst? Bluejeans, whatever the fourth one in the rotation is! That's a real seventies line I put on my best blue jeans. Because, we're all cash. It's the seventies everybody, right? Now not so casual that obviously I rank my. Like I have. I have a spreadsheet and when I say spreadsheet I don't mean, excel sheet literal paper spreadsheet. That's alright. Track the quality of my jeans. But. Yes, I put on my best blue jeans. I picked her up. It's probably like Sergio Valente Right. That in the seventies? Jordache or Jordache eighties. Jordache feel like is more eighty s I mean. He feels like Levi's guy right. Yes! Designer jeans I mean, but but it's his best jeans I. Think you probably just when he says his best I think he just means the one with the least number of states, yes? I just went only has three stains, and so that's why this is my best. It's all based on the size of the bell bottom. Right well that too. Yeah, yeah, it could be del circumference. There's there's a there's a a score for least number of stains. Plus bell-bottoms succumb rights. Divided by belt. Loop length. These bottoms cover half the floor. These are my best jeans. Best? So. That? He says I picked her up at my new VW ban. All right which. Well only you know as someone who obviously came later than this just the idea, and of course it had to be, but just the idea at some point that VW vans were new. Get a new one. Seems Very Funny Hey This was he didn't by this to be like a ninety s hipster. Because, that's what was available. He's not turning it into a tiny home. He's just using. I think he's also transporting his banned stuff. That's why he got the the van. That's. Exactly also cars back them where eighty dollars? Right well. That's true. Yeah, every time I could. Get like you get like a drink coupon kind of thing, right? Get A car. was in. This is a a a sort of nonsense, but this is a tangent, but I will the amount of times like I've had conversations with my father talking about his cars over the years, an increase in his teens and twenties. He's like Oh yeah. We had this car and then I had that car then? This car is like really you get this. We getting them at a vending machine. It's unbelievable. The amount of course people had back then. I've had two cars in my life and middlebrook. That's right they were. there. They were both just like stocked with amplifiers. That's right and people always say oh. They don't make them like they used. You well probably shouldn't because you went through cars like nobody's business. Yeah. Well that was thing like first of all. They were super cheap. You were constantly wrecking them. in like tragic ways I leave I believe before hundred seventy. Every third car in America at some point was possessed by a ghost and that's so. Like you would just get in on a Monday, it'd be like Oh ghost I have to go get a new car and let go to the dealership and be like. Hey, I have this voucher from the government. Because my car has a ghost and they'd like, we'll just pick off the lot. Sir, yeah, right ahead. The great thing about those goes cars thing never breakdown. They fixed themselves. They literally are fixed themselves. Now. Find you. Well that's the tough part. was going to say. If you're not big attention. They will slowly drift. A great. Attempt to kill you. But other than that I mean. Yeah. They've ran like a dream solid solid card. so he picks her up in my new W van. She wore. A peasant blouse was nothing underneath. which oh a peasant blouse peasant blast I thought it was a pleasant blouse. It also probably was pleasant but again like painting a picture of a late seventies Jewish PIPPI girl so she's. She's wearing a peasant blouse with nothing underneath Lynn detail not a detail that's necessary, but you know speaking as a red blooded American male. It's when I appreciate, and then he says I said Hi. And she said Yeah I guess I am. Well No. Joke. My great joke alarmist. Awesome Yeah so not awesome that he's driving Vw van while high. Well, he's not no. She's high I mean he might be i. Is A lie. She said yes. She said Yeah I guess I am I don't know why even listening to and everything I had it swapped in my head, no good then good for him. He's the designated driver then everything. Yay and she knows she's not driving, so she's free to partake in whatever she wants. Also I mean again, maybe maybe a little bit, but he also I mean he's got to play a show. He doesn't want to be too messed up so. I mean if there's one thing that bans are never. It is under the influence when they play music, certainly not. Certainly not in the seventies. No every every rock band had gentlemen screen. To stay sober. And put on the best show possible. Yeah, and he wasn't gentleman when she gets in the car, says my. What a pleasant! And she says thank. You gotTa Bamberger now. We Gets I. Guess This count says of as a chorus for the song. But for the first time we get her name right because he says. Her name is Ariel. We. Hungry. We went Neri Wing. digi. Foot got the Taliban shotted. Kagan Lee Hall. danceable. She was nanny. Off. Felt all over the floor. Another going on a date, right? She's coming to see your band play, but then he's like well. We had a little extra time. That happens in real life where you have like twenty minutes to kill, but Again, I love the song that's something that should happen in a song you shouldn't really say. You shouldn't be like well extra time so I'll tell you what happened between that and the show. No just get right to the show. I know we made great time. We left a little extra time for traffic, but for some reason, not a lot of cars on the road tonight, so we had some time. Okay? Now that's a music. Derek witnesses dairy queen around there, I. WanNa go to dairy queen, but until and place around. If we go somewhere else, we're going to run out of time. She just stopped at the queue. This I mean this is. This is the song of quivalent of every like family party I've ever been to or my uncle tells me about all the all the traffic. You know what I mean. He's like well. You know on the belt I thought it was gonna be like charter, but we just flew through the bell, but then we got stopped at whatever it might. Change from the bell to the southern state. You know how it is. qe It's under construction construction for decades forever. They GONNA. Finish this construction. Yeah, and I was GONNA. Take the Tappan Zee, but then I. Know they said on the jammed so. anyways and now to music. Say It's that conversation? Except there's someone playing piano, right? Right. So we had a little time, we were real hungry. I bet you were. So we went to dairy queen for something to eat. She had some onion rings. Pickle. She forgot to tell me that she didn't eat meat meat. Any thoughts on this I just I mean again. Race. I was finding she some onion rings because I assumed that there was going to be some build, and he's like should pay. Now. You're right. These are just getting the winds here right now. It's like. Back. Can I get a number three meal, but without the actual sandwich just everything around it. That'd be great. And then I do I do he puts. Puts it on her, and he said She forgot to tell me she didn't get. Getting. Ask I forgot to ask if she ate meat you did. You're like well? Didn't tell me so all. She has onion rings and pickles. Hamburger I don't eat meat well, then you can have some lettuce and pickle and a piece of bread. What if you're also Straw but no soda? What about what if in the middle of this verse, they just broke out into that song from the eighties the McDonald Song with like she had some money and rings. She had a big. Red Tries. You don't talk about Oh being. Quarter. Happy Real. That if they went into that, it would make as much sense as anything else, yeah. Absolutely well first of all, I don't WanNA spoil it, but Dean's got a little something with fast food restaurants which I'm going to get to. Know in the story behind the story with start as dairy Queen Commercial, and he's like I should write a story around this well Yeah, so but I I. It's funny that he specifically mentioned dairy queen. Yes, secondly like us like well. She forgot to tell me that she didn't eat meat, but it's like. Where else would you have gone? I mean this is the seventies right and it's not like a Vegan restaurant on every corner, so you probably still would have gone to dairy Queen I guess he's saying that like. That like He. Maybe he got her a hamburger and she couldn't eat it. Ate The pickle, and she's eating the onion rings that can leaving the Burger alone since guys got two hamburgers before he goes on stage. And? To in the seventies. There's no way those onion rings weren't being cooked in Animal Fat Oh hate to tell her. She those refried on animal fat. Yeah definitely Pickle who knows I guess if you're. If you're a seventies, vegetarian, you see. Beggars can't choose. You gotta basically be happy with what you got. Seventy seven, there was one Jim Jacqueline. He was the only member. Yeah and again not so much Jim as a harbor where he pulled out. And then yelled at you to do the same five pounds for every year of my life. Wrestling Element. Yeah. So Say Oh. Yeah, so. He mentioned that he mentioned specifically that. Dairy Queen, I was going to say in his defense. I mean they're conversation in the mall got down to the fact that she was Jewish no, he probably may have expected that. You would have explained the fact that she's a vegetarian, too. That's true I guess you not get around to it so. I had a Gig in the American Legion Hall. It was a dance for the Volunteer Ambulance Corpse Court. She was sitting in a corner against the wall she would. She would smile and I melted all over the floor. so again as we already mentioned like if. If Dean was telling me the story I might be doing the kind of like. Pull it. Really pack in. Let's wrap it up right movement of. I don't need to know all this level of detail. Just tell me about area I want to know about air and again like if like, if I met a friend and the friend was high, and he's like I met this girl i. gotTa Tell You like this would be the like five minutes I'd be like. Yeah, okay, okay, tell me about the girl I don't care about the onion rings or what? The dance was four. I want to hear about the girl so is ever like going like going off on all these these details I do love how. Fantastically pedestrian. Almost pathetic that it's like he doesn't have this. Great gig right. We're like where there's thousands of people screaming day he's. He's at the VFW Hall for like some ambulance. People like at this case, this is all it is. Not that exciting, but they didn't even have to go to the to the dairy queen there at the American. Legion, they probably have snacks. They definitely have snacks right? Yeah, yeah! They got pretzels on every table. Yeah, but Michael I think you're forgetting an incredibly important detail in this story. They had time to kill. They went to the VFW so that's the only originally what the dairy queen was I just had like an extra twenty minutes the amount of words in in in each line. It's just too many words like idea. It was a dance for the Volunteer Ambulance Corps Volunteer Evans. That's too much. Just sit. Make anything you don't have to be so specific buddy like he just so many words, but he starts to trail off at the end. Floor? I. It's Great I. I'm not complaining, but it struck me every time he did it. I'm like you're not gonNA. Get to the end of this morning. It was it was like like an action movie where he's like? Oh, no, he's running out of time. We get there. Out of breath on the phone call because he was sending the song. Thank. You just made it out of out of this, I. But I don't know who's going to get get to the next one. Yeah no I agree again like and it is a very simple like do do do do do do do do like basically put any number of words in there. At Edit. At at yeah, he can easily squeeze in a couple of words because God forbid. We don't know that the core is volunteer rain. How could I possibly listen if I wasn't fully aware of what the dance was four? But left it paints a mental picture like I. Know exactly what this Gig look like. Yep Right. On the fluorescent lights are definitely on yet. There's a lot of wood paneling. Yes, yes. How paper tablecloths. Costs What do we think? The Volunteer Ambulance Corps thinks of this rock band. You think they're excited. To to see this? Is this like a Christmas party or or like serving equivalent? Or is this just? Is this to raise money? Now I know I think it's like A. It's a dance a party. Yeah, it's a party. Yeah, it's like a little little dance. I think they're good with it I think. They worked hard to find the best band for their group. And they matched. With the Dean and the Volunteer Ambulance Corps they meshed. That's the name of the band actually The the they're definitely like a cover band right there like a wedding band. Yes yeah. Yeah. Maybe they have like a few originals, but mostly they're just. They're taking requests, yeah! So. She was sitting in the court against the wall and when she would smile. I melt at all over the floor. That's actually that's sweet. Yeah, he really liked. Gross. Ugly. Michael Thinking. He's literally melted. My God hell. If I was in a room with ambulance profession. Now I only get the volunteer ambulance. Literally melting. Somebody healthy. Water on me. Ariel Ariel again. I know this world is killing you yeah. I took every time I read the court. The chorus in quotes I'm thinking. It's allison, but it's not well. It's Hilarious as Rachel mentioned that he's trying to cram as many words as he possibly can into the first, and then the chorus is just two words. Stretches out to an. Area like. Yes, he makes one word have nine syllables, and that's the entire chorus. Unbalanced, he used full vocabulary in the verses. I should go home and. Watch TV. Fun Shallow. started. Round. Got the, munchies. We sat and we talked into the night. What John McCain was? Off. I found so. We Watch TV. That's five net footed shallow. Some guy going steady so I picked. Yeah, it's actually a great detail. Right because it's some old movie. Sets running. Then not that old. Well, but I know, but it's. Like the late show. Rights after their. It's after the concert got it. Yeah, it's a movie that's like fifteen years old rate watching sixty. Blanket Bingo situation. Right exactly and you know, and that's what it would be. Is that you know the they would? They would just playing some old movie late at night. In this, you know there's there's there's not like they're Seinfeld reruns or whatever the only thing that's on. Before the channel off the air yet, that's right well. Yeah, gets there well. We're going to get there. And then. Why do want to say and this? This obviously is like the fifties sixties by dealer. My Dad, telling me that they use to show the like Whatever like the Million Dollar Movie! and. Then today like show this movie on TV, and then at the end they would go. If you missed any part of the million dollar movie. Stay tuned and they would. They would run the movie again. Just to fill up like four hour. Of TV time so and it was always. It's a wonderful life. Yeah. So netflix. Steady. I started fooling around with the vertical hold. That is the most annoying thing I've ever heard. Why are you doing? Stop that? No, I. I'm imagining he's trying to like get better. Oh, you think he's just. You try to I. Thought he was just messing around with no I feel like he just has some crummy. WHO's trying to fix the picture on the TV by the way? By the way, kids, that's the thing that used to have to do. Oh, yeah, it's mess around with the vertical hold well, and it's funny. 'cause I turn that little knob in. You have to twist and turn the KNOB twisted. Because we actually came, we came of age after that but I. Think probably all of us had like an old TV. Right because I remember the the me that I had. My Room was like fifteen years old. There was like an old, black and white TV, and yeah. It had the vertical hold knob that you'd have to like turned to try to get the picture. We had the nice yeah. We had the Nice, TV, downstairs, and upstairs, in Denver, where the Nintendo where the original intended was plugged into. That was the old TV with the Wood paneling. And verticals. Yes and as I saw on twitter once. If someone's like you know, say how old you are without taking your actual, each person responded. Video Games were on channel three. That's right. That's right. Right so that old pedal TV your turn it to channel three in order to either watch a movie. Watch a VHS tape or to play video games. And it will switch. Back! Literally had to screw into the back of your team. Yes, you sued and into the back of your TV. But Dan to your point of this being the most annoying line like all I could think as he's messing with vertical hold. It's like it's just leave it. The pictures line. You're just making it worse, but that well. If you guys, you're trying to make it better than that's fine, but him saying I was fooling around with. It makes it seem like he was purposely like messing with it. Right like high and board and he's just messing with the vertical. Again, because we're because then then the pitcher would like. Flip like crazy when you did that, so that would be so obnoxious. That to lease stop doing that. It could be depends on I. Guess It depends on how high they are. That's what I'm GONNA. Say they're if they're super high than the regular TV is flipping and the Vertebra holds. So, Wake up in the morning and the TV's going to be flickering, and they're gonNA say man looked perfect last night right different, perfect Aso bizarre. And the walls melted, did everybody. To answer your question about who makes Spaghetti at eleven thirty at night there you have to pay the contracts of that of we got the munchies. And I made Spaghetti. Nelson but here's here's the thing here's. A and I thought well I. Obviously. We're going to have to spend a long time on this. Because this is the key line of the song. And this was the line that when I heard it I was like what we have to. We have to do this on the show. Obviously but yeah I. Mean Okay, I understand that context, I. It has been a long time, but I have had the munchies many times in my life I have never once had the thought to make Spaghetti. In the middle of the night that that is definitely a new one on me, so we're just different people to. I I think there are just seem so complicated. Doesn't it Sam located? Yes, it's. Super Hi, yes, book, one time I ate an entire bag bugles, and then remember that I don't like bugles. Don't come to me I understand what's happening here saying. To have the patience to boil water teams outside of of what they would be willing to do. Maybe I'm wrong. Two things two things number one. We're just talking like Francesco Rinaldi sauce in a in a pot number two that that pasta is probably either Super Alden Day or super mushy because they forgot how long they had it. Right I like. But when you want something at eleven thirty at night. Yeah, it does. It has to happen. It has to happen. Honor it could just be called Spaghetti Os out of a can, too. I made some Spaghetti. I opened a can your our May? Oh I see you also follow chef boyardee. But that line is the most sense to me Dan. I got the munchies and I made some Spaghetti. That's right. That's true. That's true life right there. Oh Man, and how great! Was it that you could be like your twenty s. you could eat pasta. CARB up at eleven thirty at night. I am man. Diner at like two in the morning, and like eating like a full. Oriented. Yeah! Well College we used to go there. Was this like diner those empty? And like we would just sit there for hours and the wages. Bring US coffee, and then after a while, she was like you guys can just go behind the counter and get some more so. And so and we would just drink like seventeen cups of coffee, and then go home and fall asleep. We our our bodies made no sense I'm not as made as much sense as the song does, I will say this. We might when I went to the same college and Michael. Do you remember Valentino's? there. We went to this restaurant a couple of times. It was an all night Italian restaurant. It wasn't a diner an IRA member going after. Shows or whatever and we would literally go, and it would an. It would just be Italian food at Lake one in the morning like. Fettuccini Alfredo. It was perfect. Anyway what I'm saying is. Do this while you can folks. For Yes yes, plus it'd be just imagine you putting like a four full of pasta in your mouth Gills look over and dean. Freeman just winks. He knows you you've. You've learned the glory of late Night Pasta. So so they made since Spaghetti. presumably, they ate it as well. And he says we sat and talked into the night. While Channel Two was signing off the air. I found the softness of her mouth. We made love the bombs bursting in air another great line. Yeah, frankly so even though airlines with air, but we'll ignore that for a second so. We talked into the night. Like this is, this is young love. This is your fate. Child who was signing off the air so again? There's also predates US somewhat, but this is what used to happen is. The channel would just sign off the air. And they they're making love. or he found the softness of her mouth. I do not like that. Really scares me out but they may love and when the. Channel would sign off. They would play the national anthem so the line the bombs bursting in air. Yes, obviously, he's also making A. You know not a double entendre. Too often like fireworks represent. This sort of thing like an old movie so it all Kinda ties together quite a deadline. And then Ariel Ariel Ariel Ariel. And he repeats way on the other side of the Hudson in the bosom suburbia I met a young girl, she sang mighty fine tears on my pillow and Ave Maria Maria again and no point in the song. Does she sing so? Names on that and he ends the song with it. Tears on my pillow of a Maria. This, this is the this is the walk in Memphis part where there's just a random repetition of the opening line. Right, yeah, right back to the original, but. And Yeah so I mean. Do you think at some point? She joins the band. Is that what we're to assume? I sing two songs. Right. That or either that or it's a hell of a medley. Fit Together, but I just veggie band. Be Like! Hey, guys, this is. Two things. Once you in the band. Also, secondly, we also learn Ave Maria right. We're okay with that right if we do one of our songs is Ave Maria that. We do at our gigs where you guys going guys. Stop, calling her Yoko. Right. Is Area. Yeah, so that's it. So, song makes no sense. It's Super Weird and I love everything about it like. Any other any other thoughts. On I mean all I'm GONNA say. Is this when I listened to it? And the more we go into the into the lyrics. The more I'm loving this song, but has an I. Do not mean us in a bad way. It has the sound. It has the feel of a parody song. Something about it feels like it's a parody song, and it is not, but as you're listening to these lines I kept on thinking well. What's going to happen like? What is this heritage? Oak and there is no joke. It's just the feel of the song and I love it. Rachel, that is a brilliant observation that is. Louis correct well. No, because you're right, this reminds me of like when I would hear a weird Al's song as a kid and not realize that it was a parody of something. Here the real version years later Yeah, it has that that sort of artificial feeling like get it. Get it. Get it. This is the parody, and but there's no soggy parody like it's not. So it always feels like he's like trying to shove a couple of words into like. Make the joke, but avid fit into the original. Tune right. He doesn't need to do that because this isn't a parody. He's not bound by any by by an old song that he's trying to. Do so yeah. No, you're absolutely right now. Yeah, and this is an I. I actually shouldn't even bring it out because that's that that You know obviously weird. I was good at what he does. This is like the Z morning zoo parody version right whereas like. It's not as good. It's just again. They're trying to shove into many words to the line to make the joke work, but it's catchy as heck man, but yeah, but I still love the song. It's. Slow and we'll, we'll talk more about A history, obviously in a little bit, but all right so expanded universe. So I've I've done this one before, but yeah I think. They definitely bought their pot from John Lee. Pedal more. Oh, he's yeah I mean he's. He's providing everybody with their pot. Yeah, so he's really big parameters. His is He's he's. He's taken What was that song called Thunder Road No. What was that sorry called? What Song was? The the giant. Road our. I. Another song as like I don't know copperhead road. He say combat road release. Sopranos was the just. Say. He's traveling to sell his wares And Yeah I mean she's a singer. I can't think of any song. About a woman who's a singer, so yeah, no I don't think I. Don't think that makes that. That adds up to anything. I. No I can't think of anything. Pearl. This is the Pearl Prequel. She's a singer. She's GONNA turn into. This area is going to change your name to pearl and she's going to be singing in that nightclub so this. Works. Abba is there a song about a woman named Pearl? WHO's saying yeah yeah, I never would have known yeah. No gene breaks her heart She's going to end up all alone. Singing in that she got she got a record. She won the contest for BE I. Got It all works. That's right. That's on the radio, but it didn't just didn't work out now. She's in that nightclub. You can't have your side tears on my pillow and side. Be Ave, Maria. What is WHO's going to buy that out? It doesn't fit together, but she was adamant about it. It's the rare Christmas album that you could sort of flip over and the rest of the year. Listen to the other side. That's right. You gotTA understand. These are my two best songs. I don't care that they don't fit together And so here's a question for you. Guys is our first song that definitively takes place in New Jersey. Because I couldn't think of another one there. There's other ones that maybe they do or they don't mention where they are but I think this might be. Our first song definitively mentions that takes place in New Jersey. I mean We haven't done any Bon Jovi. We haven't done any springsteen. Also know it all checks out prior I jersey. Now why do I was going through the list of songs to do to see if I can think of any songs that might have taken place in New Jersey. And I realized why was doing that that? We have done between the first version of the show in the second version. At least five songs that definitively take place in Georgia. Okay seems weird. To Me Georgia has a lot of and not not one of them is Georgia on my mind right well, there's the night. The lights went on Georgia right. There's the devil went down to Georgia so we have to songs that mentioned Georgia in the title, right? Did old. Read that he mentioned safe place in Georgia. and then it never been to me and fancy. They both mentioned Georgia. Wow. Weird Georgia's adjective place I know. So. There you go I. Just I just thought that was weird. I was like Georgia CBS' vastly over represented. In this, so we definitely have to find songs that take place in like North Dakota or Just other places that. Are Not 'cause. We got a couple of Texas. We definitely a few California's some New York's so where was. Wildfire were that take place. I mandate say! Yeah there's a whole. We did a whole thing about where he took place. Yeah, it's the state definitively. Is it mantell right Oh no, 'cause see yeah, because it's like no, it's. Is it South Dakota because I remember we mentioned. Is there mountains? Right, that's right or maybe maybe it was Nebraska Nebraska. Try to figure out. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's true all right so we have at least one flyover country. Oh, we should do a mass good. Oh we should. Yeah right all where. I'm not sure if this was New Jersey but the night Chicago died. That was in Chicago New Jersey okay. That's right the tiny town. London Texas. It's like right outside the Holland tunnel. It's not what you would think. No Paris Texas yeah. I was going to be like men. There's there's a London Texas. Stasis I mean they're K. Anyway I. mean there probably is but. Anyway let's take a quick break. When we come back, we'll talk about the history of this song with story on story. Market Sarah talk about songs is it will probably not shock you to learn a pop music, review and analysis podcast in which mark blankenship. That's me and Sarah bunching. 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This is aerial by Dean Friedman, it was released April nine, hundred, seventy seven, and hit number twenty six on the US hot, one hundred so dean. Freeman was a singer and musician It was born, may twenty third nineteen fifty five in Paramus New Jersey? So this song is basically as you're going to hear more I don't know if this actually happened, but this is basically justice I mean. Every detail of of his life is is in. In the South He's from New Jersey and as a teenager, he played in a band. DID WEDDING BAR MITZVAHS? Any majored in music at City College of New York by the time he was twenty, hit a recording contract with the life cycle label. This makes sense now. He's from parameters. New Jersey, but I'm going to save it. He probably met Areo when he was at City College, and so he was living in the Suan gun owners. And he went back to parameters. He met Areo there. We go okay. Yeah, so yeah, so he's probably back in either his dorm room or he has a little apartment. Right ball. He writes to City College Right Right? Yeah, and the names or places that he's like sort of checking off in the song. He knows exactly where they are. Oh, yeah, like he has his specific dairy queen yet. He's talking about absolutely none of this. This is generic. This is all wrong very specific that I like that that's cool. Yeah, did for is very much a right with you. Know Person 'cause. Literally just every detail is just and again like the most mundane details of his life, are in the songs, so did Freeman is considered a one hit. Wonder in the US do not worry about him. He is a renaissance man, and we're GONNA. Get into that so okay. The his his musician career is just one part of a larger tapestry already hired -ly. weirdly he is considered a one hit wonder in the US and a one hit wonder in the UK, however for two different songs. That's weird not for. Aerial hit number twenty six in the US, so it's is only top forty hit. In the UK aerial did not chart. But yet a duet with singer name Denise Marsa. That was called Lucky Stars and that reached number three. So like I said this makes dean. Freeman a one hit wonder about the US and the UK, but for two different songs. That's nuts. Yeah, so I listened to lucky stars, and it is not surprisingly extremely weird. Song is a duet, so she's like. Why are you angry? He's like I'm not angry. was like well? You sound angry or not. I'm not accurate when you're acting. Getting angry now 'cause you ask them from angry and I'm like Oh. God, that's stupid fight. In song form so the entire Saugus just details about things that you don't know what they're talking about, so so so they're having a fight, not just A. It's not just a pluralist version of the Madonna Song Lucky Star. No, because that's what I'm hearing in. My head is like Dean Freeman going. You must be my lucky star. Both of you. And then we know Denise Mars it turns around and says you also are my lucky star, yes. And it's also because you make the darkness seem so far and she's like you to. Also you. Know! Yeah but I'm the luckiest by far but no. We're both very lucky to I'm also the luckiest by far well. You can't be the luckiest by far if I'm the lucky. So we're. We're both equally lucky lucky stars. The second sun is just dean. Freeman singing the lyrics. Lucky Star Denise Marsa going Ditto. And also that, so it was a number three hit in the UK. This is a one hit both the US and the UK. So Dean Freeman also provided vocals for a series of television commercials in the Nineteen Seventies in the New York Metro area. Yes, I, promise you I tried very hard I. Could Family Find No information which? Marshall Jingles, he sang so I'm I'm I'm sorry everyone I tried however. I want to hear those commercials he did record a single, or he recorded us on. There was a single did not chart. So this is what I mentioned before. The song is called the McDonald's girl, which is a song about Dean Friedman falling in love with the girl working behind the counter McDonald's soon. Does he just fall in love with people were saying phase split like literally not only does. He talked a lot about fast food restaurants, but he also like he's literally just like I went to McDonald's that's my day. Can I say something? Any chance that he sang that McDonald's Sun which we the big MAC MC dlt a quarter pounder with some cheese fillet of fishing hamburger, booker, happy mcnuggets, tasting, golden French fries, regular larger sizes, and then fumbles off because nobody one million dollars, but right. Is there a possibility that he sang? That song because I'm getting very excited right now. Well, he did not because well. That's. Now I'm depressed, so that song is based on a song called. Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me. The band is reunion, yeah. That's not dean free. No no I know. What I'm asking is if he sang the actual McDonald's. Oh well I mean that's like the actual. McDonald's long is like a big chorus singing. No, but there's one guy who sings it really. Oh, because at the end everybody I know. Dude who sings it and then? Everybody starts to come in and every starts humble, but there's one lead person. Coca Cola Diet Coke and orange brings breaking coffee. Milk an orange juice settled McDonald's Kentucky's. Got It. Too Bad because this can do the McDonald's menu song all the way through a listener out. There is going to win a million dollars. Yeah so let's try again big of all the Tangents we've gone on the show. This is just one. I never expected. Well Anyway. I don't know because again. was going to say was his song. The McDonald's girl was in the ninety s re recorded by band and used in a McDonald's commercial, so it's not him singing it, but his song wasn't a ninety S. McDonald's commercial interesting. That's all I was going to say. Now we start getting the weird parts. He wrote and performed music for TV shows, including the theme songs for Nick Arcade and India he also wrote the theme song to the cult. Hard film I bought a vampire motorcycle, and the song is called. She runs on blood, not gasoline. So Dean Freeman also wrote a book entitled the Complete Guide to Synthesizers sequencers and drum machines, which was released in nineteen, eighty five. According to a Pedia, the information is out of date, but is still used on the secondary market for buying Olten incisors. If, you're if you're a collector, which yeah I, mean if you're collecting synthesizers, you have so much money because those things up like the size of a wall, so we were them, but he also set up a school called the new. York School of Census. And produce a series of films called introduce instances, so he was a big moly. Guy Right so he's doing okay. Yeah, yeah, he's doing a lot of stuff. So now in nineteen, eighty nine freeman created a video game called IGA, he licensed video game to Nickelodeon for a show called total panic, which served as the prototype for Nick Arcade. Wait is at the place where they go in and they're in the video game. Is that game I think so. Oh, Lake Arcade the show that he did the theme song for Yes. There was a show called Nick Arcade where kids would play video games on TV basically and it was sort of a game show. So he he made this video game called Tobougg he licensed Nickelodeon for the show called. Todo Paddock that show turned into Nick Arcade. He wrote the theme song for Nick Arcade. He also created or produced a dozen other video games. There are also on Nick Arcade and he started a company that makes video games called in video. Oh my gosh, so he's doing okay. He's doing stuff he's. He's doing a lot of stuff is my point, so he? He had a top forty hit. A wrote a book about Synthesizers, and he started a video game company, and also wrote some theme songs for shows like Necker paid and area data, so some information about stuff that's mentioned in the song, so they mentioned tears on my pillow that was a hit for little anthony and the imperial. s such a good song. It was released in fifty eight. It reached number four on the hot one hundred little anthony also known for songs like out of my head and song, such a good song and three of. Their inducted the Rockall Hall of fame in two thousand, and not just to make our regular story song podcast connections hurt so bad was famously covered in one, thousand, nine, hundred eighty Bhai Miss Linda Ronstadt Linda Ronstadt future with it on her really mad love album. So parameters park is a mall in Paramus, New Jersey it was built in nineteen, seventy four, and it still exists, and its original anchor stores were sears and NS. You Bet so when he went to the mall. which you're going to go to the old. No, I'm going to go to the new mall the brand new premise. That's right. Yeah, it's only sold at that point. Yeah, it was a fairly new I. mean the waterfall still run it so you know. Right in the water was clear. It wasn't it wasn't like. Every mall in the late eighties where the waterfall turned off, and it was this weird dusty Yeah, right out bed. Strange stain yeah. Boy So Long Russ staying. As Rachel mentioned. WBAI is a free form music and new station. It was famous for its counterculture programming in the sixties and seventies, and among other notable events Ba i. do you guys know what is most famous for? Guess. Guests. for women. WHO. Collective Maria change in the malls xactly. Possibly, but the the thing I was afraid to be I famously broadcast George Carlin's seven dirty words Oh. which led to a Supreme Court case in Nineteen, seventy, eight that established the government's ability to regulate speech Lale. You know what I mean. It's just like we decided to be somewhere. We won't say all the time and I was just trying to find which words they were for sure all of I wanted to list because nobody gives young leased. That's the problem. They don't give your list when you. You think it'd be normal if they didn't want you to say something to tell you what it is. Nobody even tells you when you're a kid. What the words are that you're supposed to avoid. You have to say them to find now which ones they are. That's amazing, and so that actually probably would have been going on because I. It took a couple years to get. Scream court, so if it. If the case if the case was decided seventy eight, so that actually was probably happening at the time. Yeah so famously, or are you going to see them right now? Anyway here they are. Tiny little e next to this episode. Day broadcast a routine by George Carlin. Seven rides can't say on TV. And before then there was, it was not established that the government could regulate broadcasting. There was an internal like industry standards, but there was nothing official from the government, and they basically like well. The government can't regulate broadcast. There was core and the through like no, we can. So, that's why now we drifted right so now that's why now you we get an FCC violation. Where beforehand there was officially set up for that so very very famous famous case Annette Funicello. she started her career at the age of twelve on the Mickey Mouse Club in Nineteen Zero because they were watching her move. Okay, right right. I was interested to see where the link between seven thirty words you can never say on television and Annette Funicello she just I mean. NFL famously had a filthy. She actually invented nine new words I. Know She They Watch your movie, and so she started the Mickey Mouse Club in Nineteen fifty when she was twelve and in the nineteen sixties, she started a series of beach party movies. This is most likely what Dean are watching. The titles of those movies are Beach Party. Muscle Beach Party Bikini Beach. Pajama Party Beach Blanket Bingo Ski Party. Dr Gold Foot and the Bikini machine, okay how to stuff a wild bikini, and there was one last one that unfortunately an Michele did not appear in, but it was the ghost in the invisible bikini, so those were the the beach party movies. Yeah, all our movies, actually, which is yeah and period. Every single one of them was a movie that took place in the seventeen hundred. Really not what you would expect. From the titles, but yeah, one of the most boring nights of my life was sitting at home, watching. Dr Goal Foot and the Bikini machine. Just an an absolutely gut writing. Experience of a horror movie that was. Fun, movie right quite effect. Yes, that's right. That's right. The Shirley Bassey, song as spectacular yeah. The Katie Machine, where do they? Go. In the two thousand eighteen freeman produced a series of fan financed albums, so he's still doing his thing there are people who love him and they pay him to make albums. Nice Nick, any currently lives in peekskill New York awesome. That's at burner. Yeah all right, so that was the history of area. We're GONNA. Take another quick break. When we come back, we will talk about the lessons we learned from this song with lessons learned. We want to be friends with you so like us on facebook for all kinds of fun story song stuff. You in the story Song podcast. It's the start of a beautiful friendship. All right, welcome back. It's time for lessons learned what listen to we learn. From this song. I'll go first and just say you know if you are going to. Call someone up. to go on a date when you definitely want to give the impression that you are a person who works out a lot like you're really fit. So you definitely want to like do jumping jacks or running place I get immediately. Before calling them but like really put in like a lot of effort. Can you definitely like the first thing? They hear when they're like Oh. Hello, you definitely want to be like. Hey! I was just. I was I was just wondering. Terry I was just wondering if. Anyone I guess. I'd coffee time, or whatever and the person that learning is up you like Oh. Oh, he works out. Because they say to visually so you have to convey that in. Format, so yes, that's definitely it should be a to like. I I was just thinking. Maybe we hold like. Oh Sorry ooh! Ninety nine. I'm currently doing. Do you want to call me back now. It's fine. Good. Can. Do pushups all the time. I can't call you any other time. I'm never not doing. Doing push to sleeping. Michael, would you learn? I learned. That Wbai in New Jersey plays the greatest hits of the fifties, the sixties, the seventies, the eighties, the eighteen twenty s today. Learn that from. Him All right I did yeah well done things. You'll learn there. And if I knew a single other song from eighteen twenties. All new songs they're playing, but I don't know. What else would be? Like Rachel. Would you learn? I learned that. If it's the seventies and you're a Hippie, have a well stocked Pantry, 'cause you don't know when the munchies are. GonNa hit and. Sometimes people just want Spaghetti. And if it's eleven thirty at night, and it's the seventies. Everything's closed at that point. Always have a well. Step stocked, Pantry. Make Your Spaghetti in advance. Advance? Spaghetti. Yes, you don't have to worry about the boiling water. Yeah you. You're about to go out. You say you know what? I'm probably going to get really high tonight. Spaghetti on I'm GONNA put Fatah's beginning. I'll be prepared right later. Musician in the seventies. I should have food ready. Right well, and the thing is is that. You know because I have to remember the seventy, so they don't have microwaves, so we WANNA to do. Is You want to make a lot of pasta? Right and save it in the fridge so that later all you have to do is just throw it in some boiling water. That's really gonNA. Save you a lot of times, right? That's right making. All right. Florida win. Will End on my dumps joke ever. To say thank you guys so much for listening This been the story song I guess. Follow us on the socials like Instagram, twitter and facebook, and if you believe his five star review on Apple Podcast, we would certainly appreciate it and please if you know someone who you think would enjoy the show tele friend. Tell a hippie girl named Ariel. Tell anyone you want anybody meeting them all your anyone, but seriously don't go to the mall right now and if you do wear masks, but. But. Otherwise anyone else you meet or. To show. 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