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"Around with the NFL podcast saved cap space by signing, Chris Wesley. Welcome to another the around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hans this, and I am joined in a room filled with heroes. Mark Cecil, Chris Wesseling and Greg Rosenthal. What is up always? Hey, dan. I would think Wes is great ability as an analyst it would not be value by to lock up west with costs a little glop. Now, he does have a track record. He's on the wrong side of forty have injury history. The see and his body shoulders breaking down, but he still got it upstairs. It's it's like they say Wes as you get older your physical skills erode. But the mental game goes up and you end up hitting this like medium, that's what they say. If only I had this mental knowledge experience and wisdom when I was in my twenties making bad decisions on it daily. Basically, they are getting the west that's not drinking. Twenty two twenty five beers a day. That's getting a wiser nobler older. I mean, the NFL then become the NFL by being a bunch of dopes. They didn't help make this pipe into one of the most powerful things in the world, the broadcasters. We are and they immediately win the big c happened last year. And when he was in the throes of chemotherapy, they offered him very low salary a lot of guaranteed money into the future. They they were betting on him taking that when he was at his lowest, and he took it. I will say if that money drop, you bet money drop is accurate, and I have been signed. I can tell you with one hundred percent assurance there is no upfront money. No, they guess what? Signing the guy right after he tears his ACL. Yeah. I'm on a one year proof at deal and joy, this this disposable income. You have now Wes because once. More don't even lock you down. And like I said you're on a tight schedule. Now may Mair last spring engagement may marriage next may baby one. Seventeen months after that baby to heal money going to be gone ball. So Joe what you got. Now. I know I can tell that the west Lakisha parent is going to be one of the couples and admire this, listen when we have a child, I know all these other couples they lose their spot in eighty we are gonna still continue to float up the coast to wine country with our newborn and down east and west now, you're not there's a hilliary of twins in the west lean families. He might bang out one and two right off the bat and just get it all done. She's the one actually going through with the pregnancy. Not west we're going to put it on social media, hashtag the bang out. Could or you could go the route where you have a girl then you have another girl. And then west I need a boy, I gotta carry the bloodline and then bang twins. I really mean this and everybody says, but I don't care what gender they are as long as they're healthy. Like, I have six brothers. I don't need a boy, you know. Yeah. Boy over to work. I totally believe you. I think that's I think that's the common. I felt the same forty five years old. And she's in her thirties. If that child is healthy, I'll be like four hundred brothers. So somebody's carrying the. I mean, someone else do the work here alongside you write for that. Glad heavier. Thank you ever. You got signed big show coming up today. Antonio brown. We see the finish line guide. Please have the finish line comes through maybe soon as this week some AirAsia football quarterback chatter and a new sag like this one like the sound of don't even want to do because I liked the name so much. I don't wanna mess it up. Like, if it was just if we just name the segment today, and the never hit it that would be fine with me because it would stay. We could do that coming up later in the show D M G M. Like that Ricky that I love it. When I saw it on the run down. I was like damn you guys are really trying to you know, let's get get up with the times here guess, which one came up with the name the millennial, of course. Well, I got I mean, I held your hand through the whole thing. And then you came up with like a father. Large part to do with like a dad, but the hook the DM came from the kit. That's accurate. Hey proof. It's going to be a long off season. Let's get to the news. All right. Antonio Brown will start there because the Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver maybe not not going to be called that anymore. As soon as Friday potentially rap sheet reported today that mister big chest the sweepstakes or heating up a trade could wrap up soon. The Steelers of started to tell the trade market. It's it's moving quickly. Get your best offers a sad because we wanna make move Adam Schefter over at ESPN reboarded that deal could be in place by soon as Friday the Steelers would like to move Brown before March seventeenth when his two and a half million dollars roster bonus is due and it seems like that's going to happen. Now the question becomes Greg Rosenthal. Who will he be traded to the raiders are jumping out there as a name to watch your the titans are going to be jumping out there. We heard them as a possibility the. Jets and cardinals were making a phone call. We heard but rap sheet says they are out of the competition. What do you hear in Greg nothing other than what's reported out there? But I think if you put it all together, and you can hear things beneath the surface. All right. Let's let's add things this X files. Ian and shafter are both saying this is happening by Friday. So that tells me the Steelers have an offer in hand that they are ready eat it are willing to accept. There's also people dropping out. There's a little whistle. Your hand gets close to. I don't go quaint. That's never touch me. I love touching you. And then there was another report that said it's basically a one team race. So who could this one team be who's the most desperate who's willing to take a chance who has the most first round picks? It's the Oakland Raiders. Why would you ever put a deadline on an otherwise out side of the the guaranteed bonus thing that's coming seventeen. Like, I think what. Saying they like what they have. I'm saying in less you already love the offer in place would never put a deadline on this couple days. And then we're ready to make move as an organization we are ready to turn the page and get rolling towards us twenty nine hundred season. Antonio Brown needs to be out of our life forever. It's a huge upset of it's not the raiders because the other team that I thought that needs to make a splash and probably saved the GM's job is the jets and they're out of the race. According to reports, they're not in the race. And I just simply don't buy the titans as a team that's going to do pull this thing off. Can I tell you the titans? I got a titans fans. I have to say I like you guys a lot. I made a tweet that I wrote tweet that if if he ends up playing with Marcus mariota Antonio Brown. He'll be sending love letter emails to big bend by week eight and as fine fine be minus tweet, but the amount of anger that came back at me from Nashville and surrounding area was quite frankly. Oppressive and I just want to make it clear to the audience listening from that area that although I do not like your team or your quarterback, quite frankly, I like you guys you're passionate. They are almost as insecure as dolphins fans. See I don't even want to say that they're they're defending their team. But that's your opinion to eight. Look the titans to me or an interesting team. A lot of people don't find interesting. But the fans ability to kind of gauge that team is wanting better than not caring fan bases. That right though, they don't care anyway, they should be annoyed with their own offense. They shouldn't be defending a quarterback through what twelve touchdowns last year. I totally agree with you, Mark Marcus mariota has got a lot to ruin you have a wide receiver. You much rather play with Big Ben the markets winger you have like that first round pick or the guy like Derek Carr. You know, that you give the money to you a rationally support him until the moment where he's no longer necessary. And then you realize this drives me inside been confu-. I had been tricky myself all these years, and I do wonder like who's if Brown does go to the raiders who's going to be thrown him the ball. I mean, there's a lot of Cuyler merge on Gruden talk. And like, wow, how crazy and different could their team be if it's Murray thrown into Tonio Brown. I mean, Dan you and I have supported some pretty insanely low quality jets and Browns quarterbacks. There was an off season where we were fired up behind comprehension about Brandon Weeden. That love that guy on this. Shell of that guy on the show. This is the dial under that American flag. This diehard fan move you complain for years that ex player does not get enough credit nationally doesn't get any exposure as soon as he's cut that guy was overrated. We never liked him. He had weaknesses the brand just wanna get too far down the Brandon we didn't track. But it we'll say one of my favorite moments of the past ten years professional football in terms of physical like a symbol. In real life. It just like right in front of you is when Brandon Weeden got trapped underneath a red flag. Yeah. Like this was his first ever NFL game. I was it was just one of the most embarrassing moments in our office because it started getting flushed everywhere on social media, all it was more embarrassing than fitting because like he's one of the great Americans. And so it's this all made sense wrapping the flag, Derek Carr, currently the quarterback or the raiders. He would welcome Antonio Brown. I would imagine he's definitely in play cartel. The Fresno bee at a charity event. I hope he's in play. It would be great to add a guy like that to your team. Now, let's been forward here. Maybe Cuyler Maria's the raiders quarterback. Like you said, maybe maybe be impossible to get them. If the cardinals are said on right? Maybe the cardinals take him at number one overall collar Murray. However, this is a really fun interesting. Wrinkle now to the conversation and it came from our own airwaves NFL network. There's no Nolan rocky anymore to throw out those like haymaker draft assessments. I don't know what he's up to. But he's not throwing the haymakers anymore that everybody gets fired up on Chas castle is not the first guy that I would have guessed would step into that role. But on NFL network airwaves on Tuesday. He made a comment about Cuyler Murray's combine performance in it was wild. Let's listen in. About ho- kings takes him number one. Because this was not good. This was the worst comments. I ever got a higher rated quarterback. And I've been doing this a long time, I'm probably doing along and you're alive. Anyway. Yes. It is leadership. Yes leadership. Not good case. Study habits not good the board work below night. Good night. Good at on any of those areas. See and raise concerns about what this guy's gonna do. Now. People say, well, we're going to compare them to Mahomes, we're going to run an offense like homes, we're going to run an offense like Baker Mayfield. While you can't. And by the way, write a tune up to minute. I'll show you the offense. You're going to run with this guy. It is possible. You remember there used to be now? Fortunately, they're all gone, but the last living World War One participant the last person alive from the civil war now World War Two you the greatest generation. This is the last person standing Chaz castle is the last man saying saying income. Conversation that he's the last man swear that started as a bit about him. And then it's actually his lingo, it's historical. So it's real, but the worst this is what I'm no art detective Becca. This is the quote be worse comments. I've ever gotten on a high rated quarterback, and there's a lot of blowback towards Charlie. And then people like Murray's college coach telling Dan Patrick that everyone. He talked to said that the kid was great in his interview process. But one thing was we've been working with Charlie for many years. He does his homework. He has a background in this league. He's got rings. He's got the respect any talks to the right people. I've heard him through the door of conference rooms don't tell him that. But having hardcore conversations with GM's, this is not coming out of his own mind. This is not his imagination. We'll get back to Dan Patrick in a minute. But I agree. Like when we're in the newsroom and Charlie's there you hear him because he spends his whole. On the phone talking to his sources this. I have a hard time believing. He's making this up, of course. And it's not making enough and nj advance media has spoken to a coach and to scale to back this up saying all three of them saying he's immature Marie immature. One of them saying he's nowhere close to Baker Mayfield impact Mahomes on the whiteboard. And speaking of Dan, Patrick, I heard an interview I saw an interview with Mary a month ago that was the most immature interview I've seen by quarterback prospect. So Dan, Patrick asked him about football and baseball. In a very respectful way for two or three straight minutes and collar Murray, just shrugged his shoulders and didn't say anything. He just shrugged shared the had no answer for anything. It'd been told or decided he wasn't gonna talk about that issue. Didn't even say your Dan Patrick. I'd rather not speak about this. Like, I like to make my pain. He just shrugged his shoulders, Brandon Weeden read full of no takeaways from his media and all this stuff that stuff on the board to me. I think is a concern. And these teams are going to get them in their building. And they're gonna have more than fifteen minutes. They're going to have a whole day with him. And they can they can figure that out. And it doesn't surprise me in a league where in a time of year where people were hammering Josh Rosen a year ago is too smart or different as the game. Like it doesn't surprise. If you've ever watched Murray in an interview that Dan, Patrick or even the press conference like is not an inspiring. Public speaker flat affect I don't really care about that. There's a lot of quarterbacks that are that are like that. It's like whether you. Think he can grow and develop. He's a twenty one year old really matters at the cardinals think that number one. But it's it's it is important that for what Cassidy's report he talked about it being how many teams two or more. He said, which is like we talked a little strange more than two it's not twenty five. And now he's going to talking to teams, and that will be a more fleshed out report. But that's not a massive sample size. And it just it's about a some team thinking this guy works for us. Josh Rosen and the building still and the number ten overall pick last year available also coming from Charlie NFL network yesterday that he had spoken to someone in the industry. You said this guy is on the market. The cardinals are trying to make a move to move their number one pick of last year. Elsewhere, and you see it out there. Peter King wrote on Monday, he spoke to quote renowned GM who said maybe three. That's what Josh Rosen is worth. And maybe that's it. Maybe Mark that. Maybe that's what Josh Rosen is worth on the market. And if so if the end up column, and he's a great player everything works out. But if you end up getting a three back for a guy took with a one and traded a three and a five the year before to get to move up to get the guy. Ooh, that's shaky GM work by Steve and less the kid the draft this year hits a home run. I think we're we're all like minded this because we've been pressed to discuss this topic multiple times today. But I will I just think that he's worth a three to some people. Now, we don't know what every team wants him for. And I just think it's it says a lot about the quarterback market every year there's eight or nine teams that are dying to find someone to play quarterback this year. It's like Nick foles is going to Jacksonville. Right. We've got we've got the Broncos right now have flacco you're down to three or four teams that are looking for order. Maybe oftens. Maybe it's a team like the patriots who use one of their picks or you. Saint my point is the patriots today aren't going to offer Reinisch round pick. I understood understand what you need to. And I'm not saying they're trying to coddle Josh Rosen by getting him out of the building to prevent drama. But when you talk about these other quarterbacks that were traded for above value. Sam Bradford to the Vikings. And that that deal for the eagles helped them get J J help them get like Derek Barnett helped to get Carson Wentz. Like that was a masterful trade, but that based on need it happened days before week one when you when the Vikings lost their starter. No one's in that position right now. I don't buy it. I mean, maybe right now, I think as you get closer to I think he'd be worth the first round pick or high today. Do you think is thinking let's give a I on Redskins. Maybe maybe recipes on them. It's just not that many, Charley Casserly who said. He's the most important person in your organization. See is your number one quarterback the second most important person in have those backup quarterback in the third most important person in your. Organization is your quarterbacks coach they did. He did say that last year. That's a true story. Then find me the teen. That's giving a first for Josh Rosen right now as a backup. Cory are. Huge Charley Casserly fence, we could his entire backout allied. We know every word he's ever sees. He's very nice to us. He wants coach that my highschool miniature regional about that talk. Nats baseball with him on a regular basis for about six years that price has got to go up Mark as the draft gets closer. I'm with you. I think free agency right now. You're right. No one's gonna give that up. And I think once we get closer to April. And it's a little more clear. I think they probably will tonight. We just let where we're what we're guests. I think no team is desperate as the Redskins. Have our them. I'd pay the first round pick right now. That's an interesting point. My my one thought how this is all playing out because it really is closed on precedent this what they're about to do potential here. Go top ten the number one overall the quarterback with no major injury or anything. Crazy happy. Winning. Could the cardinals have handled this process better in the past couple of weeks? Yes. Like or what? Most impossible. I don't even totally believe that Rosen's gonna get traded yet. And he'll hold on. I do but I would say this don't come out with your owner and make these fiery statements, how this will never happen. When you don't have you clearly don't have buy in from everyone inside the building. That's how you can handle. This will make any announcement. That's fair January. What I was my thought was well, I thought it was unnecessary last week. Steve did not get behind Rosen and that led to a lot of conversation. And then of course, Rosen we don't know if it's connected or not he goes in scrubs as Instagram Instagram account of all cardinals. They're all backed by the way, and it wasn't just all cardinals. It what it is. We were a little it was the previous two years every single post of now it's back. I not not that big deal. But I just I guess I'm curious if even if they would've said all the right things and kept this possible interest or probable interest in column under their hat. Once you pick up the phone and start calling people about Josh Rosen. That gets leaked out either way. So I didn't like how handle that last week. But did it alternately. Could they have changed this in any way and not made it such a soap opera, which is starting to feel that way. Maybe not because it's just the plot of the soap operas, so juicy to trade your number one guy and then draft number one guy, it's hard to kind of tiptoe around that. If you look at it like Steve number one priority is to find out to basically keep all options open with the number one pick. That's number one priority. Then the second priority is find out exactly what Josh Rosen's values because that's part of keeping all your up options. Open to me that that makes sense. What how he's approach. They're changing it as a team right now though on their team website. They have a show that's debating Cuyler Murray. And Josh Rosen that's on Zona cardinals dot com. They're they're putting up a artist house in nineteen berry said no decision has been made for number one pick which is obvious enough. But that's just oh, I'll. Allowing that hey, we might take a quarterback. So it's already changed. I think from a couple of weeks, I say don't set the table with this holier than now announcement that you would never ever trae Josh Rosen from your owner. And then everything since is totally I believe in you Josh Rosen. He can still get it done. They're big upgrade from Sam Bradford made some nice throws last year. I think the coach thinks that he's the better fit of the two. That's a huge issue rep in the tribe here. I mean, I'm rooting for him. I did go. I did watch all the quarterbacks before last year's draft. And he was the one that threw the prettiest ball. And I thought had kind of like the skill set that most obviously translate are you or are you not repping Metron tribe tribe? It up after one year in the NFL has been to synagogue, fifteen twenty five never been to a synagogue. I was not really raised in any religious fashion whatsoever. Well, that is a stunner to save it for the theology podcast. Not even once wouldn't you say right now that Baker Mayfield throws a prettier. Bowl. Of course. Nine close. All right. Let's move on some notable cuts. Eric weddell? No longer a part of the Baltimore Ravens and their plan going forward, the safety let go after a couple of years there west this apprise you at all no it's been whispered about for a few weeks really since the end of the season. He went from six interceptions and eight passes defense last year two zero interceptions and three passes or in two thousand seventeen zero and three last year. So his playmaking ability drop off a cliff now, he's one of those guys that you hear about there might only be eight to ten of these guys in the league where he's the quarterback of your defense to the point where he gets everybody in the position there's supposed to be in and their scheme works because of his intelligence, so he may be one of those guys, but how much do you pay for that s-? Thirty four years old just turned thirty four in January, which is not not an age that you see a lot at that position. We ranked him I think forty eighth. Right now in our top one on the problem is there's so many safeties out there. Landon Collins is out there, which will talk about Earl Thomas haha Clinton Dix is down on this. But you also have lamarcus Joyner Tyronn Matthew Adrian, ammos who's had some big Adrian Phillips. I mean, it's like if you need to safety, they're available and wells kind of at the end of that line. I think also the Cleveland Browns made a move on Wednesday. They released Jamie Collins, this is another move. You had heard whispers about maybe even louder than whispers, he was do ten and a half million this year. He's entering his age thirty season this Brown. Save over nine million dollars cap space. They traded for Collins from the pats and twenty sixteen Mark game a huge contract, but he never really filled what they were looking for duty. I mean, the previous regime traded for form as what I thought to be a they got him for not too much draft wise than paid him a lot of money as what was to be sort of Dacian piece for their defense and the whispers last season where that this was someone who's effort is just not matching the salary, and I think John Dorsey came in and he's looking for a very specific type of player when it comes to passionate about the game. He says that every single time he talks about scouting and free agency. And is that is that Jamie Collins, I don't know he talked about he was gonna talk to Jamie Collins camp at the combine I would assume they probably said look at if you wanna take a restructure or a pay cut. We can work things out otherwise later in that obviously did not go. Well, and he's gone. I remember when Chris Collins said, he might be the most talented. Defensive player in the NFL early in the season. He was like playing really well. And I was season. I think it was twenty fifteen twenty fourteen and he was coming off. Yeah. I thought the same thing like, wow, the patriots have this like generational superstar. And so he never turned into that. Like, if we we could've made his little blurb in the top one one, he's fine. So use your quote, Dan. He's real quick the Browns new defensive coordinator. Steve Wilks, correct. Yes. Within hours of the Jamie Collins announcement the cardinals released linebacker Josh binds who was the best linebacker in Arizona last year. Steve Wilks defense. So maybe connecting dodge Josh bonds is gonna replace Django those stats. The Rams have made a move as well, they cut inside linebacker. Mark baron, two years left on his deal. Save some money for the Rams. He was a starter. They played a lot play almost every down for their defense. But ultimately, the Rams aside the cost is not worth. Keeping him around. Yeah. And they also didn't pick up the option, which is basically cutting John Sullivan their starting center. I think Rams fans are a little overly concerned that they have a lot of starting spots open. Roger Sappho expected to leave. He's great. So that's two starting offense of lineman. You have Su-mei be leaving Fowler Joyner. That's a lot. I mean, it is a lot. I'm not worried to put a just the spin on this week news about replacing Mark Barron for the salary that he was getting or John Sullivan, Barron was kind of legendary for never being able to practice in like barely being able to move during the week. And then he was like a bad ass on Sundays. But he's not a guy who you wanna keep around. I think long-term Steve wash had a lot of Rams info. And in addition to saying that Roger Cephas expected to leave. He also said the same thing about sue that the Rams believe his market's gonna be too rich for them. Timmy, Jernigan also let go by the eagles. He had an eleven million dollar option for twenty nineteen. This saves the eagles money, they need it. Because their cap is pretty tight right now Jenkins just twenty six had a lot of injury issues last year. He can make some money he can and not this is a pretty strong trend that the eagles and other teams are getting good at is. They put these options in and they don't pick it up. And now, they get a compensatory pick when Jernigan leaves instead of just cutting them smart next level teams are copying. Let's talk some tag. All right. We know six guys got tagged. They are Greg of top of your head Robbie gold one DeMarcus Lawrence, so Frank Clark, d Ford or did Evian clowney. I've. Who am I forgetting say DeMarcus Lawrence? Yeah. Radi Grady, that's a tough one. But that's good. But how about a six I should have been able to four column kicker in a interior guy who rushes you're not sleeping tonight. Great job. Brad. Any of those guys get tagged who didn't get to see Jay Moseley. So the ravens are busy. They cut Weddell and made the decision not to tag CJ Moseley. But apparently, they they're interested in bringing back potentially. He's gonna hit the market though, Trey flowers of the patriots not tagged one of their best. Maybe Greg their best defensive player. You know about that? Yeah. I love dre flowers. I think he he gets a lot of love for being underrated at this point. But to me he's been so valuable he's not really an address. He's more of a three four defensive end or four three defensive ties like Mike you compare them to Michael Bennett, wet west which I thought was a great comparison. And I just think they haven't been able to find defensive lineman to you know, that's been a problem for them and they finally found one. And now, I think he's gonna leave because rap sheets saying he's gonna make seventeen million a year. I don't think they're paying that. That'd be wild. I mean, we kill the giants for letting someone like Landon Collins go and the patriots are essentially doing the same thing with a very. Productive player that they're letting walk. I million dollar difference in terms of the tags. Landon Collins was at eleven which made it even weirder that the giants aren't letting him go. But yeah, I I. Doesn't seem like patriots. Well, it's agree with this. I think they should have tagged. Let's see plays up because they do have a history Hightower couple years ago. According Devin mccourty, the jets gave Dont'a cupcakes because remember that that was said, and then he just went the patriots gauge the market. They saw what Dont'a was really worth on the open market is at oh, we could pay that. Let's bring him back. I watch Ray flowers to be gone because he is a guy who was a major part of that defense. But I'll believe it when I see it when he signs elsewhere. He's one of the big reasons that you're able to like change what you do from week to week change the front put a five-man front against the Rams, but due to man front other weeks like he can do anything. And that's why bums me out. I don't I think he will leave because I think the rest of the league will see value in a way that they didn't do we believe at all that the jets in those cupcakes. I mean do you attend, but maybe sort of Rufi Dante how tire to like either get him to sign or two. He really loves cupcakes. They made them cupcakes. I don't I that's also choose not to go too deep into the history on this because it's painful, but I think it was just like a cute little thing. They were doing for them with the green cupcakes, and he was like, oh, I'll eat your cupcakes. And then I'll go back to your. Correlated story involving the jets though is was it. Muhammad Wilkerson who is the one who did not show up its own birthday birthday cake. The jets pay complex the gym wise anyway towers birthday to give a little bad other. They the jets new bakery. They should build one Florin park and just get the best people in the country to take offence, don't go. Well, and these pastries have to improve they gotta lift the game to help. Anyway. So. CJ muslim. But we mentioned landed Collins, we mentioned he seems to definitely be playing elsewhere west. And you think you'll make a team better? I do I think I don't buy this talk that because he's in the box safety plays near the line of scrimmage is not valuable because I think that Derwin James and Jamal Adams are the two most coveted safeties in the NFL right now and they both play near the average. And also think connect the dots. Once again, Steve Steve Spagnolo, former giants coordinator where learning Collin did his best work under him is. Now the chiefs defensive coordinator. I could see them reuniting in Kansas City, some whispers, Indianapolis could be interested. He would match. Well, I think with me Hooker allies literally who is there. And so, yeah, I'm with you that he's gonna get paid while. I just don't there's something. Okay. Doesn't fit that scheme. I guess or they're not into Collins, whatever he that a one year one eleven million dollar contract is a bargain for him, alternate midly, and they're paying Alec Ogle. Tree more. Than that. They gave up two draft picks for Alex Ogle tree. It's like, they're they're paying double that. So just the way to do business. Name a team that has a. A roster on defenses ugly as the giants right now. I don't think they're in has been outside of a couple like you attempted to build a star secondary for well for years. When's the last time they had a dominant Docker core thing you name anyone in the second. I mean, the raiders I mean, if you really wanna try to it's not sure the fort now, they could've traded Landon Collins last year, and they just I don't know to me. I it's hard to come out of a team at the combine that seemed a little bit more not of one mind, a little more muddled than the giants and very prideful fan base. But it's like you have to look in wonder what the teams plans are for this season beyond the Redskins. There's not many. I don't know you're right and west finally your boy, Marcus hunt, not going anywhere. The colts lock them up with a two year deal Margus hunt. Who was I think a top ten defensive lineman in the NFL issue. I mean started out getting after passers when he was playing more defensive end. They moved him to nose tackle or. The nose in their four three scheme halfway through the year. Then he started taking two blockers deco. Autry started making the plays that mortgage hunt. Did this guy was a great player list? They got him at a bargain, then because as two years nine million, and as a nice, it's a nice story for hunt who was a really engage in character on hard knocks back in the day with the Bengals. And it took a great Schwarzenegger. I think he did. It took them awhile. He's another success story for Henry hats, and the international player program took him a little while to get going. I mean, he's thirty two years old, but he really built into this career. And he's star. I mean, another success story. Sounds like there's this cavalcade of players coming from four nations. It is a Siamese. Nice more bell anymore. More and more not doubting that, but it's just let's not act like, you know, we entire roster Nacho the bedpost for Henry. Well, did you see Henry's NFL UK? Hank handsome, Hank on the Dave damasec football program. Have you seen his Instagram's Russell Wilson? He is as Karna part of his job. He is a scored in Russell Wilson and CR two carnival in Brazil. And there's these great pictures of them just like all hanging out. Like, Russell wilt by favorite thing is Russell Wilson just has his his arm so casually on Ben Liebenberg, our friend, who's also photographers, and it's just like they're just old buddies at this point they've been through things they've been through Brazil together old Russ and leaves trying to have an interesting conversation with Russell Wilson over dinner. Well, we attempted to interview him for one of our shows. And that that request was softly not to leave that open. It was actually accepted. It was. Apted? And then they were conditions placed on it. And then it was reject conditions that did not want the four of us to be part of the interview. So that to me says we don't want to be part of your show anyways. That's what's happening in the news jealous of you. Henry is got a nice life. I mean, well, let's breakdown. Henry tall handsome, British British accent throwing into tall handsome. Well educated is remarks word. Great family. I know his wife, Emily the kids. Great dead. Great dad talk to anyone in any situation. Made the he's moving up the ladder really really is about the ladder here. However, he did make the mistake in west. I'm going to give you warning here. He had the third child did change of the game you to stop it too. I'm too old to have three children. I mean, it changed. How in Brazil has the Wilson. I help us their child doesn't listen to this podcast. Well, it's nothing against young Alfie who was just more. And he's got a kid named Alfie. He's the great British foot one already. All right, Ricky, how you feeling by the way hanging in there. You are dying. Yeah. No, I'm I'm getting better. Because you got a big trip across the pond coming up timed up really well free agency. Yeah. Are you? We have to NFL dot com. Video shows next week Twitter show and pretty much like the highest downloads of the year next week. Hey, but I'll be with, you know, your big part of the fan base over in the UK. Listen in there. Yeah. I do. I would love to see some Instagram people. You're on Ireland. Right. That's bigger markets overseas. Scotland Ireland and London I'm jealous. I wish I could against you ever turning on our podcast while you're you're up. Will you actually hang out Bolama comical pot out at the bars? I'm sure you're going to be hit by a lot of listeners. So that might absorb some of your time Eric is going to get back from her trip in two weeks. Win this agency start. What is free agency? All right. Feel better Ricky all right here we go. Here's the segment, I'm gonna do it. So perfect. I wanna touch it. But I'm going to do it. Here is a new segment. Call diem GM DM is lingo, internally youth culture for direct message on Twitter and people what do they creep into the DM's? Don't they Ricky? Yeah. They slide you slide right in and sometimes especially women in sports media like yourself. Erica, not always welcome. When people slide in. Yeah. A lot of times. There's a lot of slides that earn a good slime. Just keep sliding right by. Yeah. Just slip on. A lot of our listeners think that that's just like an acceptable thing. Well, it's not the funny thing is to. Hey, sorry. I don't mean to be like some of these other creepy guys. That doesn't work. Yeah. That's not a con. If you're if that qualifier doesn't pass ever gonna thread the needle somehow and hit that forty foot shot you got to come in with confidence. And that's not exactly you because when you try to separate yourself. You just love yourself in even more favorite one of mine is I'll get a bunch like answering stories or something, and you whatever. And then someone will be like, well, that's not working. Then they'll be like, hey, like, what cameras do shoot on all of a sudden. And I'm going to be like, oh, you know, what love like the Nikon? We just signed new segment where it's still short notice. They hit you up with us now. But maybe just like pull out a everyone say who it's from just like or you can failed slides. All right. It's a definite keeper. Here we go. We're diving M GM so in this segment. Western I co created a wonderful in theory app. You know, where it allows all the general managers and football to connect with each other in a private manner. And it's how business would get done in the future and everyone who have it right there on their smartphones. So everyone's connect it's like being at the combine at all times. It's it's perfect. It's functionally perfect now in this segment. Get a need a lot of security on that do. Oh, it's a it's a what do they call the push to push duo, push double push note of. Percent of listeners. We're talking about now to push notification is pretty well known industry for actor authenticate. Our our side this Adam Now, Dan cannot run. This is this don't worry. We got geeks. We got geeks on the case also wasn't. I just like a sub read it their moderators and west, and I are the moderators and we've given you guys as well. Access to get inside the up. Can we put greedy on greed is in there? Yeah. Because he runs the show at the around the NFL sub read it. We love him for it. Now, we will use this access to DM GM slide right in don't be creepy. Just hit him up with some advice with free agency just a week away. Mark slotted to GM, bro. I know this GM my slide into a DM do not sign into GM. Do not do know that would be that would be an advised. Smote would be very GM. That also was not I did not say that that is not my intention, but this GM, I know already trust me because he trusted me to have about a house work today. Marc I slid into. Okay. Good. Why am I? Sorry. Those are great quarterback. All right. All right, Mark. I am not going first anymore. Someone else can guy west got us. Go into a DEA. I'm side into goodies diem. Ooh. Little following message. You know, what to do? Go. Get that giddy. Pass rusher for Mike Patton, d Ford is your man. Oh, no, all right Ford tagged, but maybe not a future in Kansas City. Why is he the solution for the Packers Packers have an extra first round pick? They have the saints pick. So they could give up a second rounder and still feel very good about where they stand. Clay Matthews is free agent. Nick Perry is a candidate for release. They combined for about four and a half sacks last year this defense, and we know from reading collision low crossers that Mike pet and loves his giddy pass rusher loves them, and there aren't many guys in the NFL with quicker first step or quicker game. As they say than debrum, go get Kuti also told in not like this rap sheet on the rap sheet in friends podcast that the Packers. They were active last year after not being active in free agency forever. And he said, we're going to be more active this time around that's what they wanna do depending on who's who's out there. Also, I think deep Brown who famously pumped up his reeboks, and then covered his eyes with his elbow s and people thought it was one of the greatest dunks in history believe yeah, he won the slam dunk, title and ninety one. Maybe formerly Greg's favorite player. I once had a changing of the guard poster above my bed, and it was Debrecen. No, I was Brian shell and Brian Sean Debrecen, Brian. No, he would have been been Reggie Lewis, Bryce, Regine northeastern rest and mixing either way Reggie's era. I love Debrecen because I was you know, when you're fan of a bad team, the slam dunk. Contest is exciting. All right, Mark. We're gonna come back to you now. And again, I was not making any inference about your relationship with any gentlemen. No, it's more just attempting to get two sentences out in a row without everyone walking over. I was just what manufactured thing Erica. I was correcting myself. That's all set to fully understand the timeline. Appreciate okay. I don't wanna upset you. I was trying to make make make things better. I think we're got. Okay. Go ahead. I this is not gonna want to hear from me because there was a time in a couple owners meetings ago where he walked up to a table that I was at and found me in a very engaged conversation with his lovely wife, and we were talking about schools and education in a move and all this stuff, and he kind of said like who is this guy. And she's like, oh, this is Mark from NFL dot com. And he just let what has she been saying? I don't like this at all he he's much taller than me to sort of looked at me and said scatter that was sort of the look gave but in general. Couched in very much nicer these anyways, it has Jason light from the bucks liberty. I'm gonna liberty and say look forget all about all that. I wanna help you out you guys need some safety help. And there is the perfect addition for Bruce Arians in it is tire at you. It is Honey badger. He is Bruce Arians has been his champion from day one. That defense could use some help at the back end that could use a guy like him. That is excellent locker room, dude. Get the bucks fun again change those uniforms, please I'm going to add in my DM. That's probably what I'm really writing you about. But take Honey badger and get it done. Here's my follow up to that. Mark. Honey badger useful player with the Texans last year. But is Honey badger still a difference maker? I think he can be I don't I think the injuries took their toll and all that stuff. But the Texans want him back to that tells me all I wanna know. I think he would upgrade what is. Been one of the worst positions and football the buck safety. I mean, no matter what they should be happy. How good looking this safety group is in free agency, and they should spend money. Jason light, spend forty million dollars Donham and Smith give me a break. Wait. I'm seeing the three dots writing. Are there? Stay away from my wife. I see if he could have heard the conversation. It could have been couldn't have been a nicer chat. Why would I reveal that? You know? He was he's just his his woman. He I think he was intimidated by because she was very engaged looking guy. Rolls over at a party with the cocktail. And what that has to be what he was concerned about thrown out there. You know, I'm gonna use this manipulate this to talk to the jets decision maker, Mike maccagnan, Big Mac and everyone's talking about lady on bell. And that's great. So I'm gonna slide into the DM to GM and say, hey, if you wanna get lead bell, you know, smart idea good job of that. If if the price is too big go get Tevin Coleman. But whatever you do. You got a pair whatever running back you get with the two best line than on this market. You got the cash, and you got the need so go get Matt paradise from the Broncos. Let's do let's do our medical check on that to make sure that legs. Okay. Jacked up. Pretty good apparently. And even John Elway at the combine made some comments along lines of as a way to go. But maybe depressing value, I wouldn't put pass John. There's no creation for John. He would do something like that. But it paradise is. Okay. Go get the center you've been looking for a center since boy, Nick mango, walked out the door. Go get Roger sampled install him at guard and the rest of the pieces on the jets line are not terrible. All of a sudden you've got a really good line parrot with the running back. Now, you're cooking with grease and Sam darnold will be a better quarterback for it. Bye. Bye, mike. Well, the one thing I'd say is that one of my favorite moments from the combine last week was watching Dan watched Mike McCarron enduring Mike maccagnan's presser where it was the look, and I'd say in this is not a critique at all it is the opposite of eight genuine fan who within ten feet of his team's GM and still feeling all this hope had the smile on his face that it was like from more like Jack Hans this like a little boy just happy to see some like Spiderman or Batman ten feet away. I have to say would say the same thing about you in front of Dorsey doubt, and your boy, Freddie, I think it was fun ille- were wearing those are was just it was it was, you know, grace he said something that he said something that I the moment where you saw me like smiling to myself. There was some type of football related thing that I was like connecting the dots in my head. But also could have been on the. Luckiest boy in the world. I love the jets macaque nuts. Probably a little part of it for sure. Even though they have a new coach to work mcadoo needs to have some hits. And he needs to do better than he's done. Choosing free agent offensive lineman in the past Kevin Beecham fine James carpenter not to fine. I mean, he's it's tough. It's a tough position to rebuild. He does not agency. And he doesn't use the draft wineman for whatever reason. Listen, this is a huge next GM. Yeah. It's a huge next eight weeks for the Cagney who is out the door flying out the door. If this team is a lot better twenty nineteen Greg. All right. I'm going to going to slide into old Chris Ballard stems. Okay. Well, thank you for clarifying that. Great job at the combine, Chris, you know, not sure what hands has been getting that over the last few years. So you were there. You know what I'm talking about? What you were fully a part of that. Yeah. Just I'm not saying that this is dishonesty distancing yourself. I'm not going to try to point that out though, when I'm getting into goes under the bus pointed out and your first sentence to I'm not gonna point out. I'm not sure what the Dan even isn't sure what he's been getting. He's little things. But anyways, I thought of this app. I let you into this coveted area workspace, and you're going to drag me, well, luckily security, and the double fact, then to gave his junk me, you're not gonna be able to you're not going to be a sea ice, especially like, Chris how you made it sound like you weren't gonna go wild in free agency. That's nice screw that silent than Collins signed Tiro Williams and use that extra second round pick. You got from the jets to trade for deport. What's your favorite type of frog and Tansu your question? I go pacman frog. Actual actual. Type of great choice. Let's just go big go right now hundred hand four Hendrickson millions. I it was just that you know, tyrel and Ford, but why not throw in there think it'd be fun? I it's like these cap space. It's meant to be spent it's not meant to not spend millions. Plus, there's no long term plan. It's do it. They were going to those guys are young. They're going to upgrade Ford would be the biggest risk to me. Do it in a way that you're not in trouble in two or three years? All the deals are like two years. Anyway, spend spends the caps almost one hundred ninety million. It's like insane. How much guys how much money these allies seems have to spend almost think like having one hundred million dollars in cafes is irresponsible. It's almost like at this point having a small market team that can't afford to pay. But that's not what these teams are at the colts. Couldn't do it. I don't know why he's the one thing. Chris again at this coming so vocal about the way they're going to build their team the way that they want to spend money the way they don't want to void free agency. It's like maybe just why anything at that point. Because he has he stuck to that. So did you suddenly change in philosophy? And then go crazy. Like player in the situation. But there's rumors there's little whispers that they could be anti-royal or call and or Collins, and I think those guys both what they should want to do. Does. It have a quick one. Just a slide in one of those like quick ones. Like are the ones that are just like sup like what? No. But I got one got us up. I'm going back to Ballard. Okay. Man. We love the colts in this room. They have to be the team of twenty nineteen. The message messages don't listen to Rosenthal. Adam Humphreys is Andrew lucked middlemen. Also, please pick one of the following bullfrog pacman frog poison dart frog or common toad the common. Toad cow sleep on the common toad is a toad frog. I mean, they're in the same family. It's. Breaking news breaking that is this just in spectrum originals has picked up the route review of mad about you. As a limited series, Paul Reiser. And Helen hunt are back what so so runner. Peter Tolan, wait for new episodes limited series. It's back riser and hunt together at last again limited appeal what what a combination I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you guys, you probably don't know because it kind of pass through the pop culture news cycle, very quickly. But I was fascinated by it. Remember when Sony got hacked the emails. Yeah. And it was a big big story that but lesser story was that Paul Reiser of all the hundreds and thousands of emails that Sony got released and shattering their privacy a bunch of Paul Reiser emails to Sony officials came out where he was very adamant about completing the DVD box set released. Like season one through five is there and season seven through nine is there but season six is missing. And I will tell you this. And so the fans of this show are very passionate, and they are completed and they deserve the entire show. This this show touched a lot of people. And then he would not get a response, and then Paul Paul rise at poor Paul Reiser, send another Email who's getting it all six years like we get that archive turned back on please. Raj listed. So Paul Reiser gets what he wants and the and then some not only does season six of the box that may be exempt. Now, he's back. I don't remember. I watched mad about you, many episodes it. Yes. Yes. I did. I don't remember where it ended though. And I wear the age gap. I think it was just on. But it was like I don't recall it ending a cliffhanger way where we needed to find out what happened next if anything it seemed like it went a couple of seasons far too long. So I don't know right now eighty two there must be new questions. This weird thing where it's like a it was like the twenty third most popular show wasn't like it was like Matt it's not like like everyone had front covers stories about mad about you on eating the Airways. All right, pick the worst show in this group of five. Mad about you Becker Becker, the Ted Danson vehicle. No one watched Becker airline in the city. No one wants this city. Caroline was third rock from the sun. No one watched Greg all these shows had like one hundred episodes, say an endless more. But people city table spend people expensive spin city was the best of that group. I think that's a very west show. Wessel pound the table for show northern exposure, spin city just a little bit. There was a time. Erica how many of those five shows. Have you heard of absolately? None of them. Not even watch. Even ring a bell. Right. Yeah. Well, the June bug. I don't expect him to live west. There is a night at the cozy per west spent forty minutes telling me about his obsession for designing women, which I've I don't remember watching Minneapolis and your house. It was true. I think my mile to the delta Burke was the. Yeah. But. The woman who wrote that show is really good writer. I did not watch soda total wormhole designing women. This is why I was afraid to do the segment because now now I can think about is designing remember the guy the the painter that just was always in that wasn't designing women that was Murphy Brown, all Platt. We're losing. We're losing the kids on this. Erica still have. No you lost me a knee high. Dropped off. Very similar fashion to when I hawk up along during the Twitter show. Just everyone just clicked off. We have another show coming up tomorrow Thursday, right? Correct. I'm on a mini vacate Keith endeavor in town. This is what it sounds like when the parents are visiting. So you guys will carry the torch go out on Friday morning. Good morning. And then we will have a big show next week a big shows next week because we have the free agency bomb drops. So we'll have NFL dot com. Video content will ever Twitter show, and of course, three episodes, including the Wednesday show, which will happen as free agency is rocket make that happen. Can't wait who knew Keith was into dub step. Huge loves all that spring breakers. Remember that movie he directed it. This is a good movie. All right. That's it. That was the Majia. Like the name of the segment STAN heads of signing up for glide storm the mailman the old boss and Ricky Hollywood get well soon behind the glass. Jill friday.

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Steelers Stat Geek: Do the Steelers have the right pieces to defend the TE in 2020?

Behind the Steel Curtain

44:48 min | 1 year ago

Steelers Stat Geek: Do the Steelers have the right pieces to defend the TE in 2020?

"Pittsburgh steeler fe INS. Welcome to another episode of Steeler Stat Geek. This is behind the steel curtain. Deputy deputy editor you every week. Yeah I try to get ahead of myself coming at you once again with his big brother. Rich Rich. How's it going here? We go steelers another year older since the last time you were on here with that is correct so I am now in my yard now in my forty six year as a steeler fan. There you go there you go so It's funny. I can never remember how old I am with people. Ask but I do remember how old. So let's say we we have record. Wait a minute since you're going that route for the record. My son's picture of US our grandfathers retirement. Oh my I was. What's Naughty If that the hilarious thing was he pointed at you at your head in particular instead a look there was a lot more hair. Yeah well that's why we're a hat forever. You don't have to do that. You have the the full head of hair. I unfortunately got the intelligence instead so so now that we've joked around enough we wanNA leave them hanging. We have someone just joining US tonight. We've been doing Every every few weeks we've been doing I don't know if you could call it a series or just a special thing where we have been bringing on different writers from behind the steel curtain to come in and kind of highlight what they're doing and things that they've talked about and just get their opinions and various things we've had clifford poke. Which is Kevin Smith and he actually came back on a second time because he had some inside information about dealers tight end eric. Bron we've had flip Fisher so tonight. We have another author from the website coming on We have one Jeffrey Benedict. Let's see if we can get him in here. Hello all right well. We'll way rich. We have you Jeffrey. Yup Oh it's great. We have your great. We can hear you good. I hope everyone on Youtube can hear you. So how long have you been writing for behind still curtain sense August so not that long really so I've actually been around longer than you? I started the September before that. So that's a No. I've been on the site. Active on the side is a member since two thousand nine. Yeah that's you you predate. Even Jeff Hartmann don't you yes yes but now now here you are. You're you're one of our staff writers and You want to tell us about your steeler phantom anything about yourself you want to say when I. I became a steeler fan after Dan. Snyder bought the Washington redskins. I grew up in Ohio and I honestly I didn't. I wasn't allowed to watch football as a child growing up and I became a Washington redskins fans threw a video game and that that was my original. Starting Phantom and then I I a huge fan of Rod Woodson because like Darryl Green defensive back. I was a small fast kid. And I loved Rod Woodson and then when the Washington redskins went down the toilet I started here for the steelers. Wow so I'm trying to think about went out. What Year did did Snyder by the the Redskins Ohio? So I'm trying to remember see because ninety nine ninety nine ninety nine right. 'cause two thousand was their last training camp at. Frostburg that that was for the I was there for the first one in you guys are you guys are in. Redskins territory aren't you? Yeah well well. We pretended FROSTBURG State University. Which is where the redskins did their training camp up until Daniel Snyder bought the team and broke the one more one more after he bought the team. Yeah but it wasn't the same but not that we were redskin fans. But I'll be honest with you. People that live around there the redskins kind of drove them crazy because they came into town and they thought they could. You know not not necessarily the players just the people associated with they thought if they just with the redskins everyone in the whole town would kinda just bow down to him and let them do whatever they want you know but it was interesting. I didn't I actually had season tickets to the redskins that was it was it was a couple years outward. Yeah because it was before the I think it was for three seasons leading up to the lockouts and the only reason I did it was because a friend of mine from college Louis needed someone else to go in with them and they played the steelers that year and I wanted to guarantee tickets to that game so I said yes and then I just kind of kept on with it a little bit. I would go and watch other players. I got paid manny play Brett farve play and things like that but I tell you go into a game there the traffic and everything even even living in Maryland. It is shorter to go to Pittsburgh and come back just because of the traffic than what? He's definitely shorter for meetings for you. I live an hour and a half for the east and you do so But yeah he's gotta run that team into the ground a little bit so But but but so you adopted the steelers a Rod Woodson Fan and then just you know to grow. Yeah and that was in the living on the border of Ohio and Pennsylvania so I was right in the middle of browns and steelers rivalry territory. Yes definitely definitely Pick pick pick the right side of that of that thing well. It was even much of a debate so I actually went to college at Malone University in Canton Ohio and Fawcett Stadium where they played the hall of fame. Game is where my college football team played. Oh Wow Yep. And they're just just ended their football program. Yeah it was a great story. They talked there was a kid in the the combine who played Malone College and it was the first time the college everard represented at the combine and while he was preparing for that they announced that the program would shut down. Wow those a big deal and he ended up getting mets plan. There you go. I didn't realize that a college team. You've played on that stadium. I I didn't even know that it was used for anything other than the one game every year because they also use it for high school game so like McKinley Maslin Hugh teams are always talk in the nation. They've had some national championships for High School. Football there so they play there so even though even though the head of teams playing there and everything and they had the entire summer to get ready they still couldn't manage to fix the turf enough to save Sean Seasons Career. The last time the steelers their show. But let's not go down those those bad memories so so Jeffrey I kind of I in order when we ever we bring someone on we kind of like to say all right. What are you working on? What are you? What are you doing for the site? What's a topic that you might be diving into? That would be beneficial for us to talk about on the show and you gave me a couple ideas and I don't know I don't think this is something you've published yet. This was just something you were looking into. Correct something. I've been working on you. Okay as to what we work. What we're going to talk about is the steelers ability to defend the tight end. Not just the tight end. We're also going to go up running back into that. In other words your Non Wide Receiver Positions. How of the steelers been doing it? Defending them and what they can do to defend them better in two thousand twenty and if they have the right personnel for that so I was actually kind of surprised I went to look up some numbers with everything and I expected to see that last year. The steelers did better. Defending tight ends can just kind of felt like they did better mainly because the overall was as a whole the defense was better. But that wasn't the case was yeah. They gave up a lot of stats to two titans luck. Yeah like for example. The I think I have that. They gave up eight touchdowns. Two tight ends last season. Yeah which is the most since two thousand fifteen now. We kind of mentioned this before. Two of those were kind of garbage time touchdowns and they only have. They gave up one hundred yard receiving game to a tight end and that was that was against the chargers. One hundred Henry but that was kind of I kind of put a little Astra next to that one. I don't know about you. What do you think about that game particular? That game stands out to me because that was hundred. Henry's first hundred yards game of his career. And it was his first multi touchdown game of his career and the steelers to that point had hadn't allowed anyone to get like above seventy yards to tight end and he just went off and destroyed us and really stood out to me. That's a game. I'm actually. That's an article I am going to be writing about. It's about that game and how how weird it was there. We're we start the game down. Joe Haden and during Games Steven Nelson is Al. Switch those names. I'm pretty sure Stephen Young. And then Joe Haden Bill. The reason I know this is because I did my Mike. Tomlin Tuesday article today where I highlight an old press conferences. We go through the season and it just so happened to be the game against the chargers so I just listened to his post game press conference and I'm like I'm like he mentioned those guys and that's what it was because it was it was Nelson. Yes she didn't make the trip diddy and that was a big surprise because they thought he could still possibly play. He was listed as questionable. You'd miss him time practice practice on Friday and then all of a sudden they go to leave for La and he's not on the plane so he was out. Joe Haden goes down there was. There's actually a third player who was out on our defense for that game. That is the only game mark Barron Mixed. Yes that's right. That was also the one that he best as well. Yeah so that game. Because you expected with the quarterbacks being out that you look at the game it'd be like Oh man you know like like Williams and just lost the name of their main receiver Keenan Allen Gene. Thank you keenan out. You expect them to be to show up in that game and they throw him the ball bunch of times within really do anything and then Hunter Henry just absolutely goes off at the end of the game but it was it was. Let's see the steelers up twenty four to nothing going into the fourth quarter early in the fourth quarter. The chargers feel so those were they were too late touchdowns if I mean the last one I was. It was the least inside two minutes if not even last and it was almost one of those bend. But don't break. We don't mind if you score if it takes you a bunch of plays a bunch of rich. Do you recall anything from that game? Do you remember that was a Sunday night game before the by? Yeah when he would hate went out I thought Oh my gosh how are we gonNA stop them and like you said we? We didn't start giving up to a couple of couple is late scores At which point in time the game was pretty much decided so I didn't really let that stick in my head in any way just because of how the game it played out up until that point but it is interesting looking back seeing that. They didn't tear up near as bad on the wide receivers as they did on the tighter. It was much worse than your before in Pittsburgh but but I mean that the steelers had a lot going for in that game because that was the game you know Devon Bush early touchdown with the heads up play to pick up the ball and run into the end zone. Then on the next drive he gets an interception and sets them up on a very short field was was at that game with. I don't know I don't know if he did get an interception about is yet had to turn he forced to takeaways so they got a lot of good play there. Yeah so but I kind of chalked up to yeah because the steelers tax at a lead. And we're trying to protect it had so much on the defense that kind of kind of that one but anything else from the from giving up in the passing games surrending stuff. Too tight ends or running backs from last year. You WanNa highlight before we talk about what we need to do to fix it. Interestingly we gave up a ton of touchdowns two tight ends and a lot of those goal-line miscues but if you look at the yardage like if you go like with football outsiders stat they were third in the NFL in defending tight ends. You know by what they had done. Other teams The year before in two thousand eighteen steals thirty first and dvr tight ends and the year before that two thousand seventeen. They were number one and then they were the best. Nfl team defending against Titan to really went from the back to back up towards the top and they went from top bottom. That back up to top again and to me that really highlights why we signed Mark Baron because you had ryan easier coming into his prime coming into his own really stepping up in two thousand seventeen and we were one of the top teams. We were top ten defensive team until he went down and then the year after that. We're at Boston and Vince Williams. And we couldn't stop. Anytime they were they were they. Were just going right behind the tea type right behind the linebackers and killing us and this year we brought in barren patch came on board. When you add that combination of Mark Barron and make Fitzpatrick. Titans really couldn't do anything against teams couldn't get their tight ends going exactly now before we go too far. You talked about the. Could you just explain what that is real? Quick spill that way. Everyone knows we're talking about okay. It's defense adjusted value over average. And let's say it's it's initially an offensive says okay. How do you do com versus a defense compared to what they normally give up it? Just kind of normalized. Oh you're running back. Had A big game. But you know Miami. Lets everyone run all over them so it doesn't really matter? It's not like that big of a deal but if you have a big game against a team that's really stout against the run. That's a big deal when you flip it. It's basically the opposite so defending titles would be against most teams and then what did we allow? So you're wanting a positive number when you're looking at an offensive stat and negative number when you're looking at a defense that aware it. Just it takes into account the if I remember this correctly to try to explain it. You can tell me if this up. It's taking into account the the opponent you're playing at what they normally do against this. And just the league wide average of what you expect from thing. So I mean we've I've we've mentioned that stat out of Kit my roof. It's been on this show or not before but just wanted to make sure that everybody everybody under understood that. So the question is do the steelers. Have you keep mentioning Mark Barron? Yup and you know that the steelers moved on from Mark Barron. And it's so funny because people some people were really down on Mark Baron. And they're like Oh yeah. Some people love Mark Barron instead. You should keep him over Vince. Williams like we'll Mark Bernes not run for like like fence waves so that so my question is with without Mark Baron. What do you see for two thousand twenty two? It's how are we going to replace what he did? Because can you look you look at how we defended tight ends? What really stands out. Is the movie titans. When they got tight ends off the line. That's where Mark Barron really came into his own. 'cause you could you could take tight end. Line them up and we put a linebacker on him. And then you move them off the line and you're moving that linebacker out Williams. We're in trouble if that's if that's Devin Bush will now you fooled Devon Bush out of the middle you've got you've opened up all kinds of other stuff you've taken our playmaker out of his best spot if you will mark. Barron over there. That's a win for us because in the box. He's not that great you know in zone. He's not that great but you get him outside the box on a tight end in man defense that he was phenomenal. That was like Niche Skill. Set so teams would try to spread us out using their tight ends like that. Which I I love hearing a Kevin Smith come on and talk about doing that with Eric. Hebron like we had the exact piece to counter that in Mark Barron. So it's going to be interesting next year to see how we replaced. That role of win tight ends. Go out there and you do have to switch a cornerback onto him and and go with the size mismatch. Like what do you do for me? The big question is is Ulysses Gilbert the third ready to play like is he ready to go because in the pre season last year he got he got there were plays they put him on wide receivers like just like they did with like a Terrell Edmonds where they would play him on running backs tight ends or wide receivers they put Gilbert on wide receivers and he is just if he can handle the defense if he can learn the defense. Do all that stuff and be able to play in the NFL on defense. He might be that guy. We already have that answer in house but like with so many other things than young players. You're not exactly sure what you have like rich and I've talked about this before. Let's name some of them rich Do we really know what we have in to skipper okay? Do we really know what we have in over two third do we. You know some of these some of these players I mean. I don't know how much we really have in oriented on Ola. Almost twist something that one. Yeah so I mean we've seen him play more on defense than than the other guys. We still don't know exactly on offense. We don't know we've seen him start a couple games. We're not really sure what we have for. If we have to call on him we have other. We have other guys like that that I mean good thing they added Eric. Hebron 'cause we definitely don't know what we haven't Zach gentry you know so and it's not that these guys can do it and the steelers should know more than anybody if they can't or not. The question is how confident are they in their in their playmaking ability Do you think I everyone was pretty certain that the steelers going to release Mark Baron except -partment? Jeff wanted to argue with me about about that. He was saying Vance Donald was gone. They're going to keep mark Barron because he plays more snaps. I even have an article he wrote I had to. He was talking about everybody that we'd be letting go and I thought he forgot that mentioned Mark Barron. Yeah because But he he honestly believed that they weren't but I'm like if you look at his salary and what they were wanting to do especially drafting Devon Bush. It kind of made sense when they were in a crunch that that sorry had to go Would it be the worst idea in the world at the steelers? Brought him back at a much cheaper rate. Since he's still wasn't signed I honestly would be a fan of his weaknesses. Are there like they're legitimately there? He's not a he doesn't read the play well against rotten defense doesn't sometimes he will. He lives below play other times. You're like I don't know if he knows what's going on in their he's also weakened the red zone like those are the things you brought up as we gave up eight touchdowns two tight ends and yet we scored really well against them. If you look at yardage versus what was expected and that's mark Barron like in the red zone mark. Not good like he's given up touchdowns but he's not giving up yards. It would be good to bring him back in that kind of a role if we can't replace that role because otherwise you're looking at Terrell Edmund that that was my next question and that is because Mark Barron was originally a safety. You know that was kind of moved to linebacker. Do you see somebody. That's very similar in size. And and what branded the table someone like athletism other throw edmonds being more of that dime linebacker in those plays and the steelers really need to have another safety in order to fill in there and have them filled that role. You See. That's something. That is a possibility. I I don't like it for only one reason if he's like dime linebacker like actually your dime linebacker which could be more which is sometimes considered an extra safety but they play more box. Yeah yeah he is Naga taking on blockers like Vork Baron for his size smallest and stuff he would crash in full speed and just take on and just hit somebody like there were. He could blow fullback because he would just go so fast in there and hit them before they really got going. That's not something trilogy brings so if you're going if you're putting him in a position where he has more run responsibility. I don't like Trautmann's there. He's much more of A. You know the play starts going to the left. And he's there before everyone else waiting to make a tackle but if it comes to taking on a block or if they can put a body on toast well when you go dime in general it's generally because the the offensive formation that is conducive to passing the ball. Yeah so I don't know that would be meetings. Don't think the steelers do because that's what you WANNA do. You want to get that personnel mismatch. That's you know kind of like I liked a couple years ago when the steelers would bring in multiple tight ends of fullback running back and the next thing you know they have nobody in the back of the van and they're throwing the ball against against a jumbo defense. I mean that was I. There's one particular I talk about all the time against the bengals and it was actually a pass to a twenty yard pass to a wide open. Xavier griddle because they just completely outflanked them with their with what they had on the field. Defensively and what they had out there receivers wise so kind of. What are your thoughts about looking at tight end responsibilities then? Not if it's going to be a linebacker like Mark Baron actually using your safety positions more a- something what what. What other options are there? We saw that Win when Mark Barron was out in that game? We saw that because they had to play. Vince Williams a lot charges like going to tight ends they were using Derek Wa a little bit in that game and you saw. When Vince Williams is out there they would try and move. Take Hunter Henry move them off the line and we struggled with that for a long time until mid fourth quarter. We put Trautmann's over there. We started doing the switches where you know. You'd see Vince. Lillian. Start to go over there. And then Terrell Edmonds would come up in Vince Williams. Kinda go back in the box like you know. Go Go back we belong. Vince just stayed on. Come out here and that would work except than they were attacking our depth at cornerback. Because we also didn't have a safety it was like wears. Minka throw the other one. That's so that could be an answer to the second half of the steelers season last year. That's what we were doing but in that in that game like they put. They had Cameron Kelly trying it because he was a safety. It's super fast. So you know. Put Him on a tight end. He couldn't cover hunter Henry Mike Helton couldn't cover hunter Henry Devin Bush couldn't cover head hunter. Henry Vince Williams tried it. They were all getting burned. And by the end you're seeing Terrell Edmonds over there and that's when they gave up the to the long pass right down the middle of the field to nobody ride receiver that set him. Up in that you know and that drive they. They were doing that pretty well. If you have Joe Haden Steven Nelson you know and you had another safety. That would be a good option because Terrell admins I if you take his weaknesses. I have three weaknesses for him. One is. He's not a good he's not gonNa take it on blocks the second one is. It doesn't read the ball when he's looking at it well like he doesn't get. He's not the center fielder. It's user center fielder Arizona. Yeah Yeah you just know. Zona gave up but everyone is going to be a pick but even before they throw it if you see time where they try to split the safety and they put two guys in his own. He doesn't that well he's just not that deep safety kind of guy that's his third weakness doesn't handle when they tried to split his own he doesn't handle it well so you saw the chargers game. They did it the first time and then late in the season they were doing. These defensive plays where they would take the safeties and at the snap they'd be looking like a cover to safety group. They're both deep and Terrell. Edmunds and make Patrick. Would like take one step forward? That's it they just they just move forward a bit and they would send cornerbacks deep behind them and let them kind of just defend the middle of the field and Terrell. Edmunds and they were phenomenal in that later. In the year they started using Cameron. Sutton is a deep safety behind everybody. You start nickel and just run like crazy back. Deep and teams didn't complete a pass against that. They didn't know what to do with it. Because you put you put like four guys on the outside guys in the middle of the camera sutton deep. But you can't throw the middle because it's in control. I'd miss you can't throw there. And so they didn't know what to do and I don't guessed that it's almost like they took their shiny new toy and Michael Fitzpatrick which team started to not want throw towards and said you know. Where do we give a lot? A lot of passes right in the middle of the field. Let's get to there so that he will throw it there anymore. So and hearing the other guys like way out towards the boundary and they gave Minkin Terrell Edmonds a Lotta route causing both cover a lot of room and it's like if you throw underneath them. You're not gaining more yards. You can you. Can you might catch the ball. But that's it you're done so if it's third and ten you wanNA throw them six yards and get tackled. That's fine like we'll take that but if you try and throw over Mak- Fitzpatrick that's not going to go. Well for you got to throw away over. You can't just put it over his head so it really they found ways to cover for Terrell Edmonds in those regards and it put him more in the positions. You would have a person covering tight end so if they wanted to use them like that. That is okay. Definitely something he was good at and you as you talked to the early in the game you talked about running back. We talked about defending the running back in past place to and the reason they were so good this year is they were number three and against tight end and they were number. Three's against running backs. They have not been top-five indeed against those two positions since the since they started tracking devi away in two thousand and five year we went to the Super Bowl and only six seasons six times. We've been top ten each and those are two thousand five two thousand and eight to two thousand ten two thousand fifteen where we won. We were terrible but we had you know Antoine Blake in will you guys are outside cornerbacks and we couldn't defend anyone but we stop tight ends and running backs at your two thousand. They didn't they didn't need to worry about ten into runs actions. They were reading matter and in two thousand seventeen shades. They're really showed up in his defense really really took. They were top ten that year in both and then this past year. So it's kind of one of our keys defense is if we're defending the tight. End the running back both well. We're going to have a good defensive year and you know. Would that one exception for both of your quarterbacks are terrible so I was trying to figure quarterback or quarterbacks kit decide if you're talking about the Antoine Blaker if you're talking about the two thousand nineteen offense so this year coming up I don't think are two. Corners are terrible so no they are not yes. So that's a big deal like one of the ways we did. This past season was with Devon Bush on running backs and we did it with Mark Barron on on tight ends W Bush teams early in the season until that ratings game when he got that interception three pulled it away from them. We're getting no that was Mark Andrews on but it he pulled it away hearst members. Yeah and before that point teams were going after Devon Bush. They would they would move stuff around to try and get. Devin Bush on a tight end and then go straight at him. Like New England was doing that. What find out what player w Bush's covered in throat in that game? Rex burkhead They were doing that consistently until he made that interception and once you see him make that interception like running backs and tight ends are kind of off limits at that point they teams just stopped really focusing them. One one actually interesting stat. That I that I found is after the third game after San Francisco and Games. Three almost kind of fits into the premium. Because when they got him for that game they played them up. Close the Line of scrimmage. They played them in a lot of places. Miami and played just to be like you have even looked at practices. You enjoy doing but after that game. If a team through five times to their tight end we won the game straight across the through five times to your tight end or more. You're losing to the Pittsburgh steelers and that's just to be that shows like how well we were actually defending it and if you look at the yards in the in the games were they threw a bunch too tight ends. They didn't get more yards in when they only through a couple of times. It's like if you were really working. The tight ends if you keep them and to be. This is another problem with mark. Baron if you're keeping Mark Barron involved in the defense. He was going to be good. If you kind of let him fall asleep out there he'd give up a big player so they actually. I think it was something like fifty five targets. Too tight ends for three hundred fifty yards in eight of our games and in the other eight games. It was three hundred twenty yards on like thirty targets. So it's like the less. The tight ends the better. They did with them. This weird stuff. That is kind of weird which is funny because the one thing I didn't have was the yardage two tight ends because I had to go in an ad. I got the receptions for tens by going into every game and adding up the number of receptions. I couldn't find anywhere that game. We just the yardage for tight ends. I couldn't get that filtered out the right way so that was the one thing. I was hoping you add because I wanted to ask about that. How the yardage was so. That was like eight times. Six hundred and eighty yards right around six. Yeah because I mean it was. It was down to the number of receptions. It was sixty five receptions if I had that right if I counted them right which was you know into which kind of makes sense when you look at it. Because in two thousand eighteen it was up. It was seventy nine and there was almost as many touchdowns they had. They had multiple tight ends one hundred yard game but then in two thousand seventeen. It was backed down to sixty one receptions but then it was in the eighties the two years before that fifteen and sixteen. So you can kind of you know. It's kind of cyclical a little bit. I'm going to ask this question. I'M GONNA ask You I. I'm going to see about about rich kicking in with it. Is there something? What would if the steelers were going to defend the tight end? Better in two thousand twenty. What would they need to do in the upcoming draft in order for that to happen? What would you be looking for? What type of player? At what position. That does what kind of stuff that they don't need to do. Anything in the draft. You do you think they're ready for this year. See there's options there because you have players who are showing they can. Do you know Devon Bush can do you? Really? Don't WanNa pull him out of the middle and make let him let teams like dictate that he goes out with a move and goes outside and has to cover him like you said one of the best they could do. I was against this until like the middle of the show. I'm sitting there thinking like Oh my goodness what. Work is another safety if they brought in someone who was a more pure deep safety that that could do it like if you or if or if they were Cam Sutton more into that role. Because he did it a lot. Towards the end of the year he was a deep. They find ways to pull trial edmonds out of that deep safety responsibility in the cover. Two defense where he's not going. That should be that. Should do it lot towards a free him up to cover tight ends. That'll be that'll be do a lot of good rich and he thought you have on that. Yes if steelers' this is what I would do is we get is finalized that roster and get ready to go into camp you look at the talent you have and then you scheme your defense to work two guys strengths to try to do that. If that is moving Cam Sutton back in having him do. More deep safeties to drill events can come up cover tight ends. And that's what you do but you base it. You just have to totally step back. Look at what you have and then scheme based on what you have so in other words something that was actually going to bring up is is. Do you need the players to fit your ski or do you need to what I was? Put Your you need to put your players in a position to succeed crack. You know like and I and I honestly think that's why I think the steelers sometimes are struggling with with throw edmonds is can they put him in a position to succeed but yet still have it. Be that it's not. I mean you can't put somebody to you. Know their best position to succeed by creating a deficit somewhere else. If you know what? I'm yeah like we gotta do things like you haven't ever Bush trying to cover travis. Kelsey is Never GonNa Work Kelsey to Paul Short and we're hoping that's the case because the we'd meet them was going to be in the playoffs. So let's just let's make sure yes that's worry about. I WANNA see that tall tight ends Chelsea's Kaczynski's although he's retired. Yeah but you've got those guys out there. That were tall. Tall tight ends for the guys that Bush just he couldn't deal with those guys to talk to athletic. Saw Games were quarterbacks. Just you know hit hit the titans go and high right over. Bush completion putting Devin Bush in situations where he's got to try to defend that something that was brought up in the live chat. I'm not really follow it but I saw a name and I thought I'd look at it and I saw more than one time. And that is what do you think having a player like an Eric Brom that you might be going up against in camp or in practice. Could actually you know the steelers haven't had that kind of tight end? Even you know maybe not that much even simulated practice as much you think that not not that. I think they're going to you know overuse brought in practice or anything but at least it's something that they might be able to see a little bit. I mean we used to see it all the time with Mr third and fifth and already burns going going up against each other all the time in training camp. Do you think maybe hey. Let's get Devon Bush. Eric Jebron out there at the same time and and see how see how they both can improve on stuff part of figuring out what you what you know. Your time can't figure out ten. This guy do this or indiscriminate differently because they can be if they do get a good camp off. That'll be something to watch. It's actually who they do that. They're GONNA have Iran. Who are they putting against? Because that's GonNa tell a lot about how they're going to. Who's going to fill that Mark Barron role when they actually start the season very interesting very interesting? Yeah that that you could. Maybe maybe see how that plays out so a couple of people because then I looked at the live chat because tends to be. We're going but could you mention about Mike Helton about a tight ends? And that's one thing that he has against him as his height. Exactly what you're saying about Devon Bush's that's that's his biggest literally literally shortcoming against defending tight. End is just the the major height disadvantage and it seems to me like. That's kind of almost what the steelers were up against. In all those games where Green Kaas Gronkowski went crazy against him. You know with the Patriots which was really Nice. When I was at that game at Heinz field back in why can't remember the year back in two thousand eighteen fifteen where I think he had was either one or two catches and that's what really seemed to be a big difference in that game but that was a whole different thing with how they were scheme in that because they didn't have the same players so don't even want to go there so are we. Okay I mean are we relying on Ulysses Gilbert if he's not up to the task then we're in trouble or do you have multiple options going forward. I'd say they have multiple options. I think I think we've nailed the two big ones. We'd love to see you list. Gilbert be that guy who takes the reins it can become you know the the nickel becker someone with Devon Bush. You can go back there and say and be able to move outside. Cover tight ends in line or outside without that. You'RE GONNA have to see like if we go what we have right now. You're going to see Vince. Williams over tight ends because they love Devon Bush running backs. He's phenomenal on running backs. And Vince can't cover running backs either. But you'd have start. You'll see Vince over the tight end. And then if they moved that tight end out you're GONNA see trail edmonds probably coming down and checking them out of that and then I'll turn the defense. Yeah I mean that's I mean that was the problem with the steelers. Two years ago is getting the right personnel on the field. You know trying to have Vince William and John Bostick passing right guard. Those guys you can't cover for both inside linebackers. You can't hide both of them. Yes and it's funny because the one answer that I saw earlier because I noticed that it was west. Kicking it into the live chat was saying he's like you know what helps helps helps to throw the ball from the t to the tight end. Sacking the quarterback were putting more pressure. Get the quarterback on the ground not even given a chance to throw which is a real good point so well that that's what we did against San Francisco San Francisco had Tiddle kill was blocking most of the game. They had him covering health and on Do Free Most of the game and he didn't do much against us so which is funny because that was something that I noticed that I wanted to say that. He's like but do not have to be worrying about double teams. Because if you're going to double team someone you should be. You should be chipping. T. J. Watt. It's should be chipping on on the rush. And if you're going to have the double team someone up front Y- right next to Camp Hayward came to just get a double team all the time so that my point was man. Nobody else is playing next to at across to players of that calibre. No one else in the NFL can say that that they have the best. Ed rusher and one of the top two across from the top defensive lineman right next to you know I'm not saying that's an exclusive. Why pre does or doesn't do whatever he does. I'm just saying well. That's gotTa be nice whenever you know other people you know. It's called flying under the radar. Always things but duprey and I'd say Giovane hargrave benefits that from that as well if you're going to double team on on that front seven on those rushers. It's not going to be about duprey. It's not going to be John. Hargrave is going to be Ham Kim Hayward TJ or Steph onto to it. You're not doing we're GonNa Margrave bug Hollywood. I think that's part of the reason. He ranked so high as well because he was just having to a lot of times when he was in the game. Deal with what a one block. And it's definitely I mean you got guys when you gotTa Defeat Double Team Blocks. That's what you have a real special player. You know most guys are like hey I just WANNA WANNA WANNA match up your great some well. We're we're running towards the end of our time on this show because for those who've here live on Youtube we are doing both shows tonight or go to do the QNA and it's funny. Because I actually saw some discussion going on about what the topic's going to be now. Jeffrey are you. You know I understand. You've got things going on. You'RE GONNA be able to join us for the next show or be here all right good because we have a good topic that we wanNA talk about. We've kind of addressed it a little bit rich anything else. You want to say here before we before we close this one up. Are you ready to get onto the next one? Oh when whenever you're ready we'll just keep it rolling all right so for those of you. That are watching. 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[148] Coaching hires, playoffs and Buccaneers news

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[148] Coaching hires, playoffs and Buccaneers news

"The water on the Goddamn Huddle. I'll tell you when you get a water break. Welcome to the bucket. Here's was ever podcasts. August this is Ralph Phillips. I'm Ali Rei is generous. Seven twenty twenty little to do with myself we G- after a long off received them. We got a slug it out. You know one good thing. XFL Starts Babe. Worry A I can't. It'll be fun it'll be fun before for probably the one season mayor if even that level south on that track down American football league or South Hand I can't remember they got some weird rules going out in. XFL coverage teams will line up just five yards. Apart to make the kickoff safer for players touchback penalties will be in place to incentivize returnable. Kicks EXC in the potential for big play interest. In said they penalize you if the kicked in the end zone touchback the kicking team. No the receiving team there will be no kicks after touchdowns a tear point system allows teams to go for one point from the two yard. Line two points points from five yard line and three reports from the ten yard line. A possible nine point touchdown means an eighteen. Point deficit is still two possession game. That's weird they have a she wake at. They have a shootout style. Overtime format each team's best offensive and defensive players will determine the result of a game tied at the end of regulation time. Each team receives five tips to score from the five yard line in hockey shootout format but the club's alternating attempts receiving two point four per success until one team's James Total is insurmountable. Whatever that means double forward pass multiple forward passes will be allowed behind the line of scrimmage to create more play options for offenses? The game clock will continue to run no matter what outside of the two minute. Warning teams will be allotted to timeouts per half. Its soccer matches. Get go go go. There's no stopping rules from like hockey and soccer. They're trying to make the game faster more exciting I thought that's what the NFL does or the arena league because it's smaller right now. Around Twenty five second play clock twenty. Five second play clock now begins after to the boss. Spotted for the next play will eliminate some of the downtime between plays Catches can be caught with just one foot in bounds. Shorter halftime will be ten minutes instead of the now fifteen for the NFL and there is going to be a dedicated ball spotting official so he just got one bureaucrat in charge spotting the ball rather than a whole team I guess can't have too many officials on the field. I think we should have five officials for each player. So that'll be interesting this coming February. We're eight we'll get you dates and times and we're watching all that stuff later so you gotta affect gentle follows for Dale actually A fact check about the last game Sean Murphy Teen went out with an ankle injury. Idols brand is wet. We weren't sure what it was at the time. So that would be a follow Woah. Have another follow up. Have we had a draft pick outside of the top ten. Since I've been a fan and to my surprise answer was yes us and it's been more draft picks outside of the top then inside the top ten. This is weird. Sell Two thousand nine was when I I became a fan so you became a fan during the two thousand nine season. Yeah okay that was the season. I'm putting this here because it just happens to fall on the day but I was not involved with this draft Two thousand nine just Freeman was picked seventeenth overall. I did not know a first round. Pick and two thousand eleven Adrian. Clayborn was the twentieth two thousand twelve. Doug Martin was the thirty first. Although we picked Mark Baron seventh that year so we had to verse. Round picks. Two Thousand Sixteen Vernon hargraves just squeaked outside of the top ten who was eleventh 2017. OJ Howard one thousand. Nine hundred and twenty eighteen was twelfth. We've rarely picked tuck high now so the five that we did pick in the top ten Since I've been a fan where Gerald McCoy Mark Baron Mike Evans Jameis Winston and Devon white interesting. You would think with our crappy decade that we would've had more top tunes now. I thought I just I don't know. Follow Michael Bennett. What happened there? We chose not to use. Who's the franchise tag or the transition tag on him? Because we didn't think he was worth that much the franchise would have brought him. Eleven million dollars and the transition attack was nine million dollars and we did not use either. We didn't use the franchise tag that year in two thousand thirteen. He initially said as we discuss casts that he'd give Tampa a chance to match the offer he got. We probably weren't going to match it because it was likely going to be in that range the all nine to eleven million dollars which we already said we weren't going to pay him. Do we know what he got now. We're GONNA affect. Actually it's all. Yeah he later said the glazers observe didn't like him and he thought he'd still salty about it. You Know Ford well in the field but he he. He's kind of a jerk. Yeah yeah he left his dog and Tampa and like a boarding facility and Seattle he pieced out what the bill. I don't know if you've paid the bill. But at the time he hadn't paid the bill lead poor dog was there. That's bad way into the story. I got coming up. Yeah well that's the last of my follow ups. Backtrack Sal okay it. Apparently this is kind of a big deal. Bay News Nine from Hillsborough County has claimed that Nunez Roach is also Zanoni Nacho abandoned dog in a rural Hillsborough County road for days outside some facility out backwaters or whatever Reading the articles. It's just like well one. They're definitely trying to make him look like a jerk but to do there's really no answer to what walk. The dog is out there now. Not Joe had a dog breeding company. He took bread these dogs. They look like pimples. But they're not they're called Aub American Staffordshire terrier I'd never heard before they're called Cane Corso out okay. So he had this breeding business right well as wife got pregnant so they decided not to have dogs around. Don't out next thing. We know this dog shows up on the road in like a medium Zehr. Is there for days. People tried to get it to come into the cars and stuff wouldn't do it finally the Hillsborough County animal rescue. Got The dog to come in and they took it to the vet that and it had a jet and so they scanned it found out it was registered to not. You were confronted Nacho about it and he said that it wasn't his dog he had given away or our sold it or whatever you know what he couldn't provide any evidence and enter. He didn't provide any evidence of it. And ever since then he hasn't given any information. While the dog was was rescued somebody adopted Nachos life contact with them and gave them all kinds of vet records and all that and the the the the people adopted. She's been extremely helpful and very nice but they still don't know how the dog was out in their parents abandoned now. This news has been On the bucket nears forums and stuff like that and of course everybody is freaking out calling him of dirtbag and all those good stuff. I don't know I like Nacho in this goes back to off-the-field crap. I don't really care I don't care I don't care if you put babies spikes if you play good football I want 'cause I'm about football. You know we do all this other stuff fun. Talking about the players in there ought to field lives and all that good stuff but when it comes down to how care I really don't care to. I don't trust the media to not be hypoc opened up some really stupid crap. That's you know doesn't mean anything but man people don't just take this crap the heart and the you know everybody wants our team now. That's bizarre everybody. Hi that's read these articles because he's an art was definitely make him out to be the spat has like Michael Vick or something. Yeah I don't care I don't care what people do in their. This is entertainment to me. I don't don't care about your politics your personal beliefs here your sexual orientation that craft go out there and entertain me on the field at all. I care about one hundred percent soccer. That's just my I own personal opinion. It's fun though it's fun to sit around like. TMZ THOSE CRAFTS. I but that's worse than what Bennett did you know he just. He left dog abandoned at the shelter boarding vessel Ori Facility now because they keep those things I mean it was taking care of them fed. I don't know I just. Oh yeah the teams looking into the whole Nacho situation too. Because that's that really matters. If we lose Nacho over this man is going to be mad at buccaneer fans and Bay news nine and he's good. I like nausea too. Yeah you'RE GONNA be getting all kinds of stuff like this all year long There's not gonna be any press conferences or anything coming from buccaneer place until you know unless there's new deal for players or something like that they might announce to to at least the NFL combine in late February. If then generally they don't even say anything using then we might be looking at sat down last season with all the media breakfast. Yeah well you know. We did sign eight players players to futures contracts right all of a more practice employers from two thousand nineteen except one safety the Andre Hall Russell more practice the players. The eight players were defensive. End Quentin Bell Center. Anthony Fabiano Safety Wandering Hall Defensive Lineman Jerry Era Mina ledbetter Jordan Leggett cornerback. Herbert Miller tackle. Brad Seton oh gosh. I can't even say this one. He's an hooked on phonics running back at acas cedric. Wear you know. I wonder if kids growing up now. What hooked on phonics now? Because they don't have them read phonetically anymore. You don't like sound out the words I don't think so good. Always stupid the honors. He got anymore Bucks News. Okay I've got. NFL News notebooks. Coordinators have been looked at for interviews anywhere in the League. It's fantastic. It's great for us but then at the same time you know plenty of our coordinators do they suck that bad to be e-eh quietly tell them to back off. According to over the CAP DOT COM to buck should get a fourth-round compensatory pick for quite Alexander Alexander. Okay yeah well wait. Is that in the compensatory draft or is that in the regular draft right. Don't they drafts. Yeah I think it's the compensatory. Ah last year. Nobody did a compensatory picks are just they're possible to figure out so take that with a grain of salt. Nobody I'm telling you nobody understands it. There's probably three people on the planet at understand it. They're not telling me that there were probably the ones of nippy related butcher lawyers. Yeah okay two. Thousand Nineteen Bucks Rushing. Defense was the best rushing defense in franchise history beating out the two thousand twelve bricks Yano Ran Iran. They had three hundred sixty two attempts for one thousand one hundred eighty one yards giving up with three point two six average. This is the eleventh even best run defense in NFL history but ever since nineteen seventy eight when the League went to a sixteen game schedule in how so. That's pretty impressive. Of course I said that in two thousand twelve and thirteen km and everything blew up or was it though around two thousand thirteen when everything blew right yes okay Levante David. It is fourth on the list of Buccaneers and tackling their brooks has two thousand one hundred. Ninety eight tackles run day barber. One Thousand Four hundred twenty eight that's outstanding standing for cornerback Hardy Dickerson. Ma Boy. The reason why I became a buccaneers fan at one thousand. Twenty eight in David with one thousand and five David but it also one of two players since the sack became an official statistic in nineteen eighty two to record at least one thousand tackles at least twenty-six and at least twenty interception at least ten interceptions through the first eight. NFL seasons guess who the other one is right. Louis Yup Labonte. David won't kill anybody in Aussies the he was just named all prow he was on the second team. There's another one the all pro. That's that's completely completely made up of journalists media. People they get to pick the central struggle Alvarez gladdy donner but and we should do we should do in a I don't know call the AP. All podcast team. I like all the podcasters astor's from do you. Were on a couple podcasts. At one with that one guy who was a I don't remember we'll get everybody involved are journalists so that means we can't give Joe box fans Peter Report all those guys you got press pass. You can't be excluded from the cloud and that that will come up with our own to make it a big thing they'd be made up of all buccaneers him on. Rt would be all right. That's about it for buccaneers news. Gosh man I tell you I hate this time of year am said Blair as we sell the play offs. We'd lost all. We lost three of our four picks in the playoffs. The most people did yeah. I don't think anybody saw Tennessee's steamroll in the Patriots at all. You couldn't pick against the Patriots Dome now and Tom Brady is not not going to and his career on picnics. So I fully expect him back with the Patriots next season. We laugh so hard without happy. Because we're just like James Jay Bruce. Move Jameson Tom. Brady are in the same category. We can say that I concur. And then the saints losing the way that they'd glorious rate and I went to looked at what saints fans were saying all of them. They weren't upset about the officiating. They they were upset about drew brees and a lot of talk about getting rid of him. He's old he's over. The Hill has noodle arm said he played like crab so I agree. We're with them. You can't bench him no he ain't gonNA sit on Nobel retire. This might well. I mean did you say is to freeze a free agent issue. I I charge is kind of weird is contrary now. It's really hard to understand. We're simple folks Sean. Payton might be gone soon. uh-huh who knows who knows I think don't depend on how. His next quarterback does take some hill. I'm not looking forward to playing that guy. Well figure came out one day. Bridgewater is GONNA be free agent. Then we signed him to own your new which bridge were always like bridgewater and I felt Minnesota was dump getting rid of him. Yeah especially when they got rid of him but what Sam Bradford or somebody like that. I was like what are you doing. Ruined their whole year there but I think he always had the injury bug their broader. Yeah I think he had an ACL tear his first year in. He's he's he doesn't really have that great an arm I mean. He's more of a game manager quarterback. Yeah I'd say recall better better than a game he solid people talking about we should get under the buccaneers and look what no the buffalo game was crazy. I was really surprised at the Texans came back the way that they did and buffalo to shift the band the way that they did. I really thought they had. I mean they were just dominating Houston early on who is Houston playing next king city. Yeah at the Chiefs Baltimore. Tennessee is going to be going good smash mouth football game there too big running teams which brings me to my next point. You hear this all the time especially from certain books media members talking about Joe bloggs Fan. This is a passing league right here. That all the time. This is passing lanes Paisley. GotTa have good quarterback you gotta have an edge rusher all them. Well I looked into it. This is not a passing league This year anyhow check this out of the top five passers in the League. None of them made the playoffs. We're talking about James Winston. He was number one dak.. Prescott number two Jared Goff Number Three Philip Rivers Number Four Matt Ryan Number Five. Lao Now check this out. Four of the top five rushing teams made. It's the playoffs the Ravens Forty niners titans and seahawks now. The cowboys were fifth in rushing. The Vikings were six culture seventh bills. Eighth Texans Ninth Cardinals Cardinals Tenth. So that's seven out of ten made it to the playoffs interesting. A turn in the league will I said this in a swear I I want to go back into the podcast from back. PRESEASON team figures out because everybody's builder defense to stop passing so whatever team figures out to focus on running I or to who run the ball to build a strong running team. They're gonNA make it far. Look at Baltimore Tennessee. Those two teams are dominant running teams. And you know I think Baltimore's GonNa take it all so only three of the top ten in passing teams made it to the playoffs. Two of them were knocked out immediately in the wildcard. I was the saints in the Pager. Ager sheaves if not played yet they're in the top ten how so we'll see right so if they get bumped out none of the top ten teams for passing. We'll be in the playoffs. I mean the Texans are ninth for rushing I mean they got Carlos Hyde and Sean Lots Roy they they into stacking up a bunch of yards rushing per game. This isn't like individual this team rate them having a stunned running back go miwon I guess not so. It's probably more important now than ever for the buccaneers to figure out the run game. A think so and I think really the only thing we need to do to fix the run game is just get our offense on to run block a little bit better which they were in the beginning of the season. It was weird they got. I fell off the draft styled like Derrick Henry with the fourteenth pick offensive line. But it's really not so much. As it was the tidings Dansk we would run those jumbo packages and stuff where we put to tidy and block and all that good stuff and he's very good bed blocking and you know they would call dies to be able to go down the line and make the tackle in the running backs off at one can improve the run blocking course but they were doing so well in the beginning of the season with Ron. Blocking wasn't Claire Gotten hurt. I wonder though more of our blocker came it breaks not a horrible blocker. OJ Howard to restore. Then he's he's just kind of gets in the way and then they just into the side it goes against the defensive linemen or linebackers. He seems to have an issue he block. CORNERBACK HAS CY. It just seemed to rely on the size too much not really good technique. We had someone tweeted us and I apologize. I can't remember who it was asking whether you take an offensive offensive tackle or a running back in the first round now would always take a line. I don't know yeah I it all depends. I think we're GONNA take the best available double player I think so too. We don't have really any positions that are hurting and dire Nin. Yeah I do. We need to tackle to replace Dobson. I think too. I don't know if we'll be here next year. Gone By. Jason Light seems to favor these offensive. Linemen that come from small schools kappa. Our pet that you get in late around around now that would be his strategy. I don't like offensive. Linemen coming out of college anymore and who was Arians talked about talk. I think Joe Gilbert Center just takes so long for them to get football ready right in college they don't don't teach them complicated blocking schemes or anything like that. It's basically like you line up here and stand in the way so it takes years once they to get to the NFL. And I like are running backs I do like Roggio. I like Barbara and I can't see yelling. Dara if Barbara Dan come back I I think he's on a one year deal. He was on one year deal. He signed like approve. It deal so he doesn't come back and you can get somebody in the first round. That may not not be a bad move there. It could go either way. I think often tackle is more of a need than running back but be. BA says if you're drafting for neater doing it wrong and they won't be drafted for need this year for it. So he's doing. Okay let's get into the. NFL News. Had some moves on the coaching in front the cowboys finally fire Jason Garrett and her her end of an era and they hired Mike McCarthy oddly enough they had interviewed Marvin Lewis and Mike McCarthy before they announced that they fired are Jason Garrett so I think the writing was on the wall of course. Garrett contract expires on January fourteenth. Anyway far he just they can get resigned and they brought him Mike McCarthy. The Mike McCarthy went to Dallas. I was really hoping he would Carolina Me Tale. They said that Mike McCarthy stayed overnight at Jerry Jones House. That's it we just assume it if you have not read. The article in sports illustrated. What about what happened on bleacher report report? Yeah about Iran jurors and my. This was at the end of last year. The beginning of this this year timeframe off season last year off season two thousand nineteen great article. Make you really hate Aaron Rodgers more than you already do. You and also Mike. McCarthy doesn't come off that great either and you'll know why we said we wanted Mike McCarthy to go to The Carolina Panthers however he didn't you did matt rule. I don't know if that's how you say his name we're going to figure it out. I guess eventually ru there's an H.. In there I don't you know I don't so now it's a seven year. Sixty two million dollar contract. He's got incentives a two and a half million dollars signing bonus and they're also paying a six million dollar buyout of his current contract with Baylor. They really spent a lot of money to get if this guy Hope he sucks but it sounds like they really want to. I don't know anything about Baylor. We're just not college football. People I know he turn the program around there says what I read from the article. He will one in eleven one year and then Levin one in next year's Okay Sally Twenty twelve. He served as Off Assistant Offensive Line Coach in New York under Tom. Coughlin stay there a year. Then he went to temple which is where. Ba aac coached in the eighties. He initially went to ten and twenty thirteen then went ten and five and twenty ten four in two thousand fifteen in ten and three twenty sixteen. Seen how can you go to intent one year and ten four the next China. Now don't ask me. I see incontrovertible then after the the Baylor football program on a bunch of turnover because of some sexual assault issues of course he was hired and they they went as you said one in eleven in two thousand seventeen and then eleven and three in twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty eighteen than in any case. He's has been branded as as rebuilder. So they want to rebuild the panthers. Yeah I I don't know how that votes for. Why would you wanNA rebuild a contender number? He is heralded as a culture. Changer is apparently into analytics. We've seen that before he believes in the RPO awesome. He's a former linebacker and believes in smash mouth football his career head. Coaching record is forty seven and forty. Two he's coached defensive. Line linebackers quarterback's offensive of lines. And all that good stuff before he became a head coach. Defensive Guy I he's done about New York wasn't assistant offensive line coach. Oh Aw but that's his only NFL experience with New York under thunk often. I don't know it although you tell about. This are know your enemy series this off season. He doesn't call plays but he does oversee the entire teams operations and he can't be the biggest in the world because he he turned down an interview with Cleveland so we may be in trouble. Let's fans I don't know but we've heard this kind of resume before Greg Xiang. Now I'll I'll we heard about was how he turned records around. Yeah and being a working under Tom Coughlin. who was a hard nose old school? The last of the old school coaches coaches who just got out of Jacksonville hard-nosed nonsense. Yeah we'll see how that turns out. Maybe it'll be another Xiang for the Carolina Panthers it'd be awesome. We'll find out that giants reached a deal with Patriots special team coordinator. Joe Judge which is an odd God hirings who may special teams coordinator remember special teams coordinator becoming a head coach. This is funny because their top two candidates where Mike McCarthy and Matt rule so it looks like they got the bottom of the barrel. Why wouldn't you bring Marvin? Lewis Sucks allowed. Not Why would you bring in Mike. McCarthy yeah I mean if your top two choices if one ear top choices. Is Mike McCarthy to me between the two I'd take Martin Lewis Jim. Schwartz was looking to be interviewed by the Cleveland Browns. Oh poor damn come on. Don't do it I mean he survived Detroit but I don't think it can survived. DETROIT AND CLEVELAND GETTING RUN OUT OF DETROIT exactly and they're not much better off as an organization than Cleveland. I just I just can't see that going any better. A massive Stafford's contract was legacy coming up soon right so the panthers signed the new head coach of Baylor Matt Rule. Will that got me intrigued. Because they paid them a lot of damn money seven years sixty million dollars as a lot of money for a head coach and then they pay Baylor's six million as Blau a lot of money. That went wrong Dan Profession so I got I was like everybody was like David tepper upper. He's the owner from panthers. He gets what he wants. He don't care spanning. Apparently he spent way too much money for the Panthers Organization like two point two billion when his net worth earth-like twelve billion. And he's doing this major league soccer thing. He's paid like three hundred million for that all kinds of crazy stuff guy apparently throws money around like it's a oxygen so I looked into this guy. I didn't know anything about you. Know anything about a matter of fact. I got confused with Colin from Jackson with Evil Evil Mustache but The guy is made his billions as a hedge fund hit Hedge Fund manager. So right there. I don't like it. I don't mind how people make their money. But the something slimy about hedge fund managers base meaning by in the financial world. No offence all you people out there in the financial. Well here's what it is. Here's what I saw. He got rich from the financial crash. You know apparently he was okay before then but he became became a super billionaire in two thousand nine. Two thousand ten. What he did He he's the founder President of Appalachia Management's Global Hedge Fund and based in Miami Beach Florida base. There now get that at later But he earned four billion personal wealth in two thousand nine remember. The financial crisis happened in two thousand eight by by Pine Distressed Financial Stocks Bank of America. Being one. What's the Stadium Name Bank of America? It's Right Bank of America Stadium Eight Thousand Charlotte. What so bank of America? He bought a lot of their stock. Not sure exactly how much but he made an he bought enough of it to come billionaire same with AIG debt. And if you AH G. totally collapsed in two thousand. So he bought up their debt so basically government bailouts made this guy a billion in because now these the Bank of America Woodland said no these banks of the last without bail out according to bill who knows he getting political Ralph. Yeah yeah so this Guy Hayes a slime bug. I don't like it. Well you know. He's on the panthers right. There is a slam bug. He has a net worth of eleven point. Four billion that's as of February two thousand seventeen according to Forbes dove has gone up or down since then who knows. He divorced his wife thirty years in two thousand fourteen and is now married. We think nobody knows to a girl named Nicole Brownish. This girl. Nobody knows anything about her. They don't know her age they don't know her ethnicity. They know nothing about this girl. Now he's sixty two. She looks like she's in her twenties poem at twenty five so he dumps his wife of thirty years after it becomes billionaire. Gets himself a younger. He was actually caught on tape when they were going through the divorce. Because the AL You know the the the pre-nup was not going to hold up. He didn't think so he was caught on tape talking about what to do with this money to hide it from his wife he was saying should I by Property overseas or should I just get a twenty two year old girl. Yeah he said that. So any up. His company Appaloosas management was moved to Florida in two thousand and sixteen from New Jersey. Right he had been the New Jersey's richest taxpayer at the time. And the move caused. Frank Haynes the third New Jersey's legislative budget finance officer to warn of a risk to the budget of New Jersey because of the resulting loss of income tax. That's a lot of income tax. Yeah it was in the hundreds of millions he was paying so he moved to Florida because they don't have. I don't have an income tax in Florida. SMART move on his part but you know he wasn't he's not he wasn't a guy who From what I can tell really worked his way up and earned his money to you know he worked at Goldman in sacks back in the eighties. Nineties worked there for like ten years. That kept the guys petty and vindictive store they kept over passing him for management positions. So anyhow he got his billions through the financial crash he went and he bought his ex boss's house in whether it worked worked for Goldman Sachs one at passed over for promotions. Bought his million dollar house on the water in New Jersey. If there is water niche and raised it totally really destroyed it. He bought it from the guy's ex wife so he bought this million dollars nature or multimillion dollar mansion in the destroyed it well and built a house on on it twice the size just to be petty and indicative. Well you know if you had billions of dollars what would you do enemies. All people would be talking the crap about me like this recipe. Everybody would hate me. I've always said this. Nobody wants to win the lottery. Nobody wants to become a billionaire. The inner because I tell you what I'm going along those enemies are going to be hurt but probably shouldn't say record becomes a billionaire and I was enemies all of a sudden disappear. Yeah so anyhow. That's our competition. It's GonNa be interesting to see how this guy performs. He's only had the team for years. Any says all the right things under the fan base is behind him. Go Yeah Yeah. He sucks up to the fan base and I loved it in the the video. What was that? It was his all or nothing at all or nothing with the Panthers Gab. When he came over and it was like trying to be chummy with all the teammates and came new? God Up start acting a fool. It was mocking his vase. Jesus Christ but apparently this guy has got a reputation as being a brass balls type guy. He actually has a set of brass balls on his desk that he rubs ought to be an office. No I sit there rubbing balls. Well his his employees got got those brass brass balls for an apparently. Does it as a joke. I don't know when I to me. It sounds like the guy is new money He kind of fell into it now. Now I'm not going to say you know. He wasn't smart buying up distressed stocks. Because that's probably what I don if I had billions of dollars to millions or a lot of money Especially when you know that the government's armaments getting ready to bail all these places out no I not bother stock. He Bought Bank of America stock on it was three dollars so I mean he made billions off just Bankamerica by understand so anyhow. I don't see guys being like a mastermind financial genius definitely. Don't smoke stack which I don't have problem that either but I'm I talked about it in a football sense. No ma'am this might be a little bit too much for him to we'll see we shall see and I don't know if he's like all up in the business of the coaches coaches and stuff like Jerry Jones is he kind of kind of cut strikes me as that type guide is written up on the economy. He thinks he's he can do everything you know. He's definitely got that eh aggressive attitude so you know and this is on his first. NFL Team I think he was a minority owner with the steelers. Five percent minority owner actually had to sell the minority ownership to buy the Cowan panties it but he got Carolina Panthers by overbidding a North Carolina native at strong ties in Charlottesville Charlotte Charlotte Charlotte and one of the reasons why he was able to outbid. The guy was because of his Previous dealings with all the other team owners they were kind of okay. Hey with him now. The Guy had more struggle because he wasn't in the club. Yeah so we'll see. I WanNa see the panthers crash and burn. Well it looks like this with Matt Role and he does have the one year of the rebel. Where why does one in eleven? Why would you go and hire college? Coach is not proven an NFL l.. And give him a seven year contract for sixty million. I guess if you've got my like that doesn't have but he probably will end up paying this guy after he fires him you know he's GonNa have to pay three or four years worth of salary. The buccaneer way took away like we did with Lavi like we did with. I think she's GonNa Groom uh-huh like we did with right. He an Rahim Dart while now he got a job after. Yeah we paid lobby. I think we signed him bill. Five Year contract kept him one to three ears tail two years God. Move them to Heuer's out so he goes to the Illinois by Chicago coach. Thirteen runs it into the ground. Basically I was thinking okay. He's just going to do that until his contract runs out with the buccaneers. And he's not getting that buccaneer money anymore but he's still there yet I think he he kind of turned it around this year. took him for me. I'm very strange about that. Girl the coal brawny shows nobody but nobody knows anything about it. They don't even know if they're Mary does no information anywhere on this girl. Nobody knows if Stephen speaks English. And I'm sure many through the does but there's nowhere in the Internet world old somewhere in the world that matters. Yeah well I think that's a pretty strong indication. She's not his wife. I don't know there's reports that they they got married but nobody knows for sure. How do you keep a little? He must keep her in the house. Box on the Amazon all casino. She softened shame married him for his looks so yeah there's at least eight thirty year difference between those two. I mean it's wrong. She she looks she looks I would say she's about twenty five dollars might be thirty not much older than Athough Vertigo Kinda Iranian or Polynesian. panapa need ISLA darker skinned dark haired smited Jewish Israeli Bruno on Charlotte money. He's got to pick up on sale now. I can't wait for all the panthers fans that are going to text me. Send me messages about this when they love this guy. Apparently they're not gonNA love him when he moves the team. I guess I don't know you know. The teams seems relatively new. Anyhow so much of a fan base there is in Charlotte to begin with. I don't know you know off the van they moved. What was it the practice facility early in offices to South Carolina and the Rationale Carolina like South Carolina and North Carolina? So they wanted to give South L. Carolina Morvan piece of the team. I guess this is dumb. You don't see the New England patriots you and that no new England's like a whole bunch of whole bunch of states breath now they're just a Massachusetts sure. The price of scillies not in Maine said Spain in May Well you know whenever Patriot panthers fans I don't care. Yeah they've team plays can be interesting to see how rela- does why would you. Why would he pronounce his name? Rule in ancient. It's gotta be different. Don't you know press conferences after the podcast here because there aren't a press conferences. That's all done wrapped up. got some video's going to be coming out the first one. I think the first one is going to be a analysis of all of James Winstons interceptions this year. Two Thousand Nineteen eighteen thirty of them. I like that should be a good breakdown. Said what are you GONNA do. Look at his fault they were going to try to break it up in a category so we could give a you know kind of more of a feeling out. I'll tell you right now. Most of our James Winstons fault. It's hard to to see it on game film. But he leaves a lot of receivers open and he throws the covered. Guys is if you watched my videos. You know I point that out quite a bit so when I see that that's going to be James with fault so it's going to be quite a few of those also can do video on his sacks. Yeah I'm really interested to see that one. The offensive line is that the running back at him. I can tell you the best majority. We're going to be his fault because he just run out of pocket too much and runs right into saks or runs when he doesn't have to right. That's the big thing also going to do a comparison. I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA try right not to spend too many videos on Winston went to one I wanted to do. And if you've been listening to podcasts long enough you know it was going to do this at the beginning of the year and I wish I would have done this offseason last year. The things that I think needs to be fixed Jameis Winston and one of them is damn happy. And I'm going to compare hill to good quarterbacks like drew brees. You're almost to open my mouth. Senate Tom Brady. You know good quarterbacks that have good pocket presence and to show how I associate with the Shawn Watson he does the same thing yeah and he carries the embolic loaf of bread in his hand. Didn't Michael Vecchio suiting the same thing up and away from his body running with it. It's so easy to get knocked out that way you so I'm going to do a comparison that just show things that I read in the field. The happy feet which he do more pump fakes that these double clutches he does that drives me crazy pump. Fake to the guy you're gonNA throw saw so anyhow be on the lookout for that. We'll announce the videos on our podcast. But I think that's going to wrap it up for US next. PODCAST should be out Friday but until then kyle backs.

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The Standard is the Standard: Why Steelers fans should be even more optimistic about Devin Bush in 2020?

"Welcome back listeners to another episode of the standard is the standard and joining me on this episode of the standard is the standard we have film breakdown connoisseur. Jeffrey Benedict of behind the steel curtain dot. com does a fantastic job on the website of breaking down film and doing a great job with film study Jeffrey Welcome to the program once again. Thanks for having me Lance. If you guys in check out our last podcast, we did a fantastic podcast. Geoff broke down Meka Fitzpatrick and you can find that on the streaming fee. Do a search for Lance Williams Geoffrey Bennett Meka Fitzpatrick. You can find it that way. make sure you subscribe to the program like the program before we jump into it because we got a lot of nuggets that we want to jump into it, when thank everybody in the live chat when a thank the Oracle of the website and the editor Dan Scofield think his brother big. Bo Sco. WHO's Bad Brian Anthony Davis. Mike Tony, depth. The whole team that brings you fantastic steeler content, so let's jump right into it. And the name of this program listeners is why steeler fans should be optimisitic about Devon Bush. Let's jump into the first question. What are Devon Bush's strengths? What does he bring to this football team? I think first off athletism. He's an incredible athlete. Quickness agility. He's got all of it. Another strength of his. He's great. He sees the play in front of him. He reads what's going on with. The offense reacts to quickly. I would separate that from football intelligence he. Learns very quickly. You see as a high level of understanding of what's going on in front of him and with the defense, not just that he sees it, but he's. He really understands it. He's. He watches a lot of film. You know that kind of thing and last one is his learning curve. which is a big which is to me? has his big thing is how fast? He picked up position at an NFL level. It, point to your article. We talked off air. You said you had an article that I. Believe You, it written where you demonstrate that from a field perspective of his learning curve in his ability to learn so rapidly. Yeah, that's actually coming out tomorrow. Tomorrow morning that's GonNa. Come out on the site and really showing is if you take a lot of. Plays from when he was early in the season when he was, he was biting on play action really hard, and they're just like especially in the San Francisco Games they're just they're just don't over said they're fake. Hand off and thrown over his head all game and I talked about an enduring the season where they're going to keep going to that. Like Seattle went to. That scored a touchdown over into two will digitally San. Francisco did it all game. Cincinnati did it. And then you saw Baltimore start doing it, and he got the interception of Nick Royal, where they threw it over Devon. Bush and it boils started to catch it and Devin. Bush took it out of his hands. It was interception and after that team stop throwing that they stopped running those tight end. Seem routes just throwing over Devon Bushes head? Because they know there's a chance you're GONNA hit the tight end, and he's just GonNa. Take it away from him. there was also. Outside runs he got better defending outside runs. As the season went on early on, you could see. He was chasing the running back and then about halfway through the season. you start seeing. Him Start to get in front of the running back. It's kind of hard to think of like. How Ray Lewis used to do it where he would get to. where the running back was trying to go before the running back would right right. That's kind of a Devon Bush started doing. He started to pick up where those holes work. Get to him and all of a sudden running backs like Oh, there's my whole in Devon. Bush's like right there in his face. Not running sideways, trying to take an angle and giving him an outside run, but just there in front of him making the running try to get around him, and he really improved that way now. That's good that you're talking about his learning curve because I want to jump back into that. In a question that I have later in the interview, so what? We're GONNA do listeners for you is? Being Stolen Jeffries answers. We're going to try to frame it in terms of why the steelers should be optimistic, so based on his strengths. Jeffrey why should the steelers be optimistic about Devin Bush as a player? Well a guy with his athleticism, right? The Sky's the limit I mean we see that with Tj what he is such an athlete that the more the smarter he gets, the more moves he gets, the faster. He reads it the offense. Like he has the speed. He has the strength athleticism to make place. Devin Bush has that athleticism. He has the ability to read the defense. He sees what's going on the field really well. He was a playmaker as a rookie. and. That's just going to increase. In my opinion. That's only going to increase this coming season even. And also with his learning curve. I think of big deal of his learning curve is. There's almost nowhere to exploit this. This young man like he is one of the younger players in the NFL. He's twenty two this season. He's going to be twenty two years old and he got rid of this flaws. All the ways teams could attack. Him disappeared last season. He sold them in season. So coming into this season, it's just like getting better than he already was, and he was already in my opinion, one of the better inside linebackers in the league by the end of the season. Will based on that analysis, steeler fans should be absolutely optimistic and I and I and I. Love The point that you made, and it's when athleticism. And football, IQ matchup especially when you're elite athlete. That's when you can take the next step, and that's when you can be in elite player. That's when you can be a player like a Ray Lewis. You can be a player like Ryan Shay Zere. You can be an elite player because you have that knowledge and you have that athleticism now. I WANNA flip side. Let's take a look at Devon Bush's weaknesses. What were some of the weaknesses that you identified on feel? Really of Like I said earlier in the season yet quite a few. He had quite a lot of them. But they just kept getting removed from his game. He got better at getting on tight ends and staying in the right position. By the second half the season you see playoffs and plays where he comes up the by the time the quarterback turns around from faking the hand off Devon Bush dropped five yards and he's dropping into his position. There's nothing gained by the play action at that point. By the end of the season last year, really the weaknesses he had was. He's short. And, he's smaller like he's. He's not gonNA live on Kirkland, somebody he's GonNa. Run into an offense of Lineman. He's given up eighty pounds. But at the same time I like even that you're talking about that being a weakness week three last season he took on. Kyle US check I believe that's how you pronounce his name the like all world fullback. League seeing who's a phenomenal blocker. He comes up hits. US check and still makes the tackle like he got blocked by one of the better fullbacks in the league still makes the tackle. He's not going to take on three hundred and twenty pound guys with thirty two thirty three arms, and be able to do much. They get a hand if they get a hold of him. But you also see him being really hard for them to get a hold of. There's plays where he's right there with them, but he's just agile. He's shifty and he's moving away from. They can't get him, and he just goes and makes the tackle, or he can get around him that he can get under. There's as he can get past them, but on plays were they get if they get a hand if they going to hand on his chest. If they get a hold of him, he's done. I, mean he's not gonna the Russell. Offense Lineman the other thing is with its height. There's a couple of plays you see him. Drop back especially off play action a couple times. He dropped back and they threw over his head and you see him. Jump and like the balls like half an inch above his fingers, and you're like well if he was six one. You. Know it had an inch longer are because of. That's an interception. He's just not gonNA. Be Able to get to some things. He's going to have a hard time doing it. And when he does deal with people throwing over him with tight ends like he did in the Baltimore game, he attacked. The ball. Is the tight end was trying to bring it in. But he can't get up there at the catch point if the tight ends extended up. He's just too short. So that's really has big weakness. and. That's interesting that you say that. Because that was some of the things that draft Nixon. Draft pundits pointed out. Is that he just in general is small stature, but again I'm going to throw it back to the question that we're talking about with this particular show given the weaknesses that you've laid out. Why should steeler fans be optimistic still about Devon Bush within that context? I think how they used him his ability to adapt the situation, and and and overcome his weaknesses is a big part, but I'll be optimistic because the steelers found ways to better use him as the season went on instead of him covering people deep. We saw more use of. LET'S CALL IT A. sorry. Pattern matching zone. Where's the slipped? My mind where you got three guys on one side and you've got three defenders lined up there in Devon Bush's the guy on the on the insights, locker, or the tight end there if they were that guy de instead of having Devon Bush. Covering one of the cornerbacks takes that guy and Devin Bush takes whoever comes to the inside, so he doesn't have to leave that area like he's not trying to cover someone deep. He's right there covered underneath route, which plays directly into his strengths of lateral movement. He can stay with those guys. In what he's describing listeners? If you can envision it, think of the New England patriots that ran a ton of crossers maybe about. Seven to ten yards deep, and they run a lot of crossers at your face in what they want you to do is chase the crossers to create natural picks or natural rubs, and just think of eshelman killing I don't know why I'm forgetting his name. Lawrence Timmons just think of eshelman killing Lawrence Timmons on underneath crossers when the steelers are running man instead of pattern matching in passing off that action underneath, so you just run and chase the guy that crosses your face in so to what you're saying. That makes perfect sense in terms of Devon, Bush in how they utilize them and I'm glad you talked about how they utilize him. Because I think that leads to the next question was. How were the steelers utilizing him over the course of the season? What packages and kind of how did that morphine change as he began to develop as a player? They used him. Anytime there were two middle inside linebacker. If they were to inside linebackers, he was on. He was one of them. Except early in the season they did do some mark baron and Vince Williams packages, which didn't work well and pretty quickly that got switched to Devin Bush and Vince Williams and then mark. Barron was the dime Baecker so you saw a lot of Devon Bush in nickel. You also saw him some. In the bigger three four set. But not a lot. That was mostly saw the baron and Vince Williams combination, and even as the season went on one of the interesting things I've found for that is. Instead of going to. A three four look. And then going bigger to like four look when teams went really big like the Baltimore Ravens were putting an extra offensive linemen and extra tight end, and there's like one wide receiver out there. They're in a jumbo package. The steelers would counter that with three defensive linemen both Bud Duprey Anti J., what and then they would have all three of the inside linebackers on the field at once. there was a few times they went. There Nicholas usually. You know two defensive lineman DuPrey and TJ Watt the outside and then two inside linebackers. There were a couple of times where they would go with three of the bigger. Defensive, Lineman like a three man front. And then they would have three three linebackers behind them for like the old three three look and really low yardage they you could have cam hayward bud DuPrey and TJ Watt Upfront and all three linebackers behind them. All three of the middle linebacker behind that Devin Bush got in on those his major usage was in nickel. and. That was that was the big one Mark Barron was the Dinakar. When he was out when he missed the game weeks six seven Bush played in the dime. And they kind of just put him into Mark Barons Role, and he didn't do well. But that was game week six by the end of the season he he had improved a lot in those areas so thinking about like. How. I'm sorry I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm getting off track. It's fine. It's fine. What what I think you're illustrating is that he's very versatile and because he's a very versatile linebacker. Naturally, the steelers and steeler fans should be very optimistic about him. Because of his athleticism, his smarts his versatility, he could be used in a variety of packages, which makes him in every down linebacker, and you can put him in a lot of different situations. Now correct me if I'm wrong I. Think last year you wrote an article about the steelers using a three five look where you have three down linemen in five. Five linebackers if you did not just illustrate the flexibility that gives the steelers defense when they put five linebackers on the field where they had the three inside linebackers in Vidi Vici Bush Baron that they did last year, and they have TJ in but to pre on the field just go into a little more detail about that when they sort of used it, and what type of flexibility that provided the steelers in just how good Devin Bush was in that role in that particular alignment. Yeah, that was a really good. Really good set for the steelers actually did quite well out of it because a lot of times especially with Baltimore. Both of them are love doing that San Francisco did it a bit to us. But they'll go with that big heavy set. And then they'll throw. The ball because Baltimore has three tight ends, so they can put three tight ends out there and you're like okay. They're gonNA pound the ball. So we get all our big guys out there, and then they run a pass play, and those tight ends are going deep because you don't have the defensive backs to cover them. And in those sets, Mark Baron and Devin. Bush were incredibly valuable. Because they cover those guys, they could cover the most athletic tight ends. They could cover wide receivers in a pinch out really good route running running backs. They could cover them. And, you know you're kind of protecting Vince Williams a bit. He doesn't have to do as much and even if you have you know bud, duprey and Tj what needs to drop into coverage in a situation where there are only going to rush for one of those guys needs to drop. They can do it. It gave a lot of versatility and it also put. Devon Bush in one of my favorite spots for him which is. The middle linebacker role instead of an inside like macrey Buck linebacker, the Middle Linebacker, more of a four three type of middle linebacker. Look, he is so good in those in those looks, which really allowed the steelers to do a three three. Formation or A five where when they light up. It's kind of like the old five three eagle the. Deterrent where he kind of plays that middle linebacker role and matter if you run to the outside. The line back on the outside can come up and handle blocking fullback tight end endeavor bushes free to run. And that's where he really shines is anytime. You have Devin Bush. Near the line of scrimmage. is on the play. Not Turn it around to follow a running back or a tight under a wide receiver, but he has his eyes on the whole play. He is deadly. He so good at that very similar. Very similar to a a fitzpatrick. We have two people in the middle that if they are just watching the play and able to attack forward. Their credible. Where Devin Bush actually stronger talking laterally so he can watch the play, and it's like Oh, the place to the right side of the field will get done Bush is going to be there to meet it if it's going to let. Devin Bush is gonNA. Get there and meet it wherever it's going. He's going to find that play, and so when he has his eyes on the quarterback is on the play. He is incredibly good. And that's that's why he fits so well with Mark Barron because Mark Barron could take the jobs where he's chasing tight end around, or he's chasing a running back around in. In in route, running and Devin Bush's able to watch the play. And just read what's going on. People coming underneath into his own running back slipping out late, he, he destroyed those place. Let me, ask a question, 'cause you. You've mentioned Mark Barron numerous times. Do, you think mark Barron was is the perfect complement that type of Linebacker is a great compliment. For Barron. And do you think Ulysses Gill? But the third could be that type of player to complement Devon Bush like Mark Bear, or could you foresee the steelers possibly trying to give mark Barron a cheap deal? Mark Barron back. To slot him back on this defense. I could see them giving a shot for Mark Barron a comeback, but I. Honestly I think Devon. Bush is ready to take over the dime role dieback role. And he's a linebacker dime. And Nickel. And in the bigger sets like there's not a lot of snaps to go around, so if mark Barron came back here, it would be not just for less money, but it would be for a significantly reduced role. And I really don't see that happening. I think I think Tomlin's kind of guy who would be up front with him. Be Like we'll take you back, but you're not gonNA play as much you're not. You're not going to be the dime Guy Devon. Bush has taken that because I think you'll be better at that than him. And that's one of the reasons. I think. Ulysses S Gilbert Ken fill that role. Is because it's not a big rule. It's GONNA be. Some Nickel Some three linebacker packages. Some of those those roles are going to be open for Gilbert. The most of the time it's doesn't Bush is going to be on the field as much as they possibly can. He's going to be onfield if he can be on these out the enough to be out there. He's going to be out there. WHO's GONNA play more snaps next to him. Next year is going to be Vince as we're going to be Ulysses Gilbert before I jump into our next Devon Bush. Question WHO's GonNa? WHO's GonNa? Play more snaps next year as that second inside linebacker position because I think we both agree the Devin Bush is GonNa play? He's going to be on the field as much as terrell happens. Is I mean he's GonNa play a Santa Snaps. All the packages because between Minka Admins, T., J., Watt, and Devin Bush you put freaky athletic guys on the field in the more athletic guys in, but the pre is another freaky athletic guy. You could freaky athlete guys on the field. You coach them up. You let them go running hunting. Hit in just create having. Who's the guy is going to play? More snaps Gilbert, or is it going to be fitted? Each events Williams who plays more snaps next year as that other inside linebacker. Go with Vince Williams. I'm a huge Vince fan as a person I. Don't think he fit the best with Devon Bush. But I think they've got enough time together. To try and kind of figure that out better. And I think Bush has done a better job of playing off of the guy next to him early in the season, it was like. Whoever was in there with them? They were just racing to the ball carrier. They weren't playing smart together they were. Like running into each other chasing the bulk carrier. Adding Devin Bush has gotten smarter about that and I think he will play better with Vince Williams. Vince also. I constantly talk about. He's not good at coverage. GonNa covers. That doesn't mean he can't cover anybody like if there, if it's a number, two tight end or not as athletic tied-in men's Williamson cover them if it's a slower running back, not a great wide, not a great route running running back. He can handle that. He doesn't have a problem with those guys. When you get you know, try calcium there. If you put Vince Williams on a tribe Chelsea. You're going have a very very long day word. We saw that we thought thousand eighteen with chiefs where Chelsea just ran down the middle of the field and was open every play. That's that that's murdered. That that that that is You get arrested for for for that that you could get some time That could be considered a crime. In most jurisdictions on those place. Coming in and twenty twenty I would expect to see if we're facing the team with more athletic tight end. It's giving US problems I would expect to see. them either use Ulysses Gilbert or use an extra safety or even just. Move Trial Edmonds into more of A. linebacker roll. which is another thing I could see? Is the steelers actually running a dime? Look the kind of using trial edmonds more as a linebacker and putting one of the other defensive backs like Kam Sutton deeper. And just being like yeah, we'll roll dime. It's Kinda of nickel in Terrell out there. He can kind of play that. Role in a Hindi him and mark Barron were very similar size. Athletic profiles and Edmunds frankly was better than Mark Barrett at it, so I could see them in a pinch putting putting Trautmann's up there and saying. Hey, you're gonNA fill that Mark Barron role and let Devon Bush just. Do his thing. It sounds like the flexibility of edmonds may prevent Barron from coming back because he's big enough athletic enough to be in the box and fill some of those roles with Gilbert, and so he becomes sort of your slash inside linebacker in certain packages with Gilbert and with Bush. Let me jump into our next question and we're. You were talking about the progression of Devon Bush over the course of the season so. Often coaches look at the season in terms of quarters, so I want to look at it in terms of quarters and I don't know if you WanNa give me just one word describe where he was in terms of where's progression was, but in the first four games just described how much he progressed in the first four. Just inside the four games in the first four games. And the first four games. He was a rookie man he was. He was making some place he was. He was making plays on the run game. He was making some decent coverage. But. He was vulnerable in the first quarter to play action. He was getting beat by tight ends. He was even getting beat on outside runs he he was. Not The player he was after that the first four Games was actually his rough patch. Now from the first four games to the halfway point described his growth as a player. From game four to gain eight, would you see? As the difference from his play in that four game progression. Will you saw you see in that? Span the interception in Baltimore. Where tight end stopped being able to the teams, basically stop throwing that route. They just data play happened, and it went from a staple play. You saw run against the steelers to other teams as being like now we're not you know it's like I. Just don't throw it through somewhere else. You see him start to get better on the outside runs. But, that will come later. And The big change you see, there is the bye week which is right before in right right in the middle of that they're come into the middle point of the season. You see the defense start to change a lot. That's when the team really adjusted to make. If that's Patrick and that's also when. They kind of fit Devon Bush into a better role as well so I would say the the second. Quarter of the season you saw Devon Bush answer the problem with covering titans and you saw the team start using him. More to his strengths. Now, let's look at the third quarter so going from the halfway point that week eight game to week twelve describe his development. They're. Definitely, he has become a playmaker. At that point, he is very solid player. He's answered almost all of his problems. All of his flaws are gone pretty much, and he is really just solid at that point. So from Game Twelve Game Sixteen. Has He just completely turned a curve. And now he's playing instinctual, and he's playing fast, and he looks like a vet on film described his progression from week, twelve or gained twelve to gain sixteen. What did it look like to you? Those last four games he was an absolute monster of the team had worked more to get him out of roles where he's turned his back to the play where he's worried about covering the tight end. We're us. They're they're leaving. A more in the middle of this is also the time of the season where teams were running on us. Tease were just like we don't. We're not even going to try Sarwan. We're just GONNA run the ball on you and at the same point that we are facing the most runs of any team in the NFL late in the season. We're giving up less and less yardage as Devon. Bush is just strolling teams run game and you would see teams start to focus on running out of time sets. Like they they would put a bunch of just to get. Off the field. which is another reason I really think like the steelers next year. Detrick Bush has to be the dime backer because teams were like okay. If we're going to run on the steelers, we need to do it out of art. We need to get them into dime I and get Devin Bush off the field. Of One of the one of the interesting points for me the first half of the season, the steelers were the sixteenth. Best Team. gave up the sixteenth lowest. Yards per carry ons to the outside. They were right in the middle of the pack right in the middle of the whole league. Second half of the season they dropped from giving up five yards a carry on outside runs to two point nine yards per carry, which was the lowest in the NFL. They went from middle of the road to number one in the NFL and that was almost entirely due to Devin Bush getting better and the steelers making sure he's there in a position to make those plays. Now given his progression. Let's go back to the question we asked. The top of the program is why steeler fans should be optimistic about Devon. Bush why steelers be optimistic about Devin Bush as you articulate his progression as a first year player. I'm going to for this I'm GONNA. Reference The guy I compared him to when he was drafted watching his film watching him play. I compared him because people asking like other Ryan. Shay series he's to be James Farrior. My thoughts watching him play. Is He reminds me so much of Ray. Lewis Lewis Brand, new and delete. Not Not I two thousand ray, Lewis, like a couple years before that when he was brand new, and he was just everywhere, no matter where the ball way he was there, he was gonna find the ball on every play. And that's kind of what Devon pushes plays like he just gets there. He's not the history Lewis was. I mean it's a different league doesn't Bush has to be uncovered more than right Louis ever what had to be and he's going to? Be The hitter Ray Lewis was. But. He tackles people like he doesn't Miss Tackles. He is there in front of the running back like. You just heard Ray Lewis. Talk about he running back to spot like the running back is going to get to this spot and then feeling ray. Lewis's there to meet it. Doesn't Bush was doing that. The Buffalo Game New York jets game. He was meeting people. At the spot where that running back, trying to get to the offensive line has a whole Clare. Devin Bush is just there. And it's IT'S GONNA. Be Incredible having them on the team. one of my other favorite stats that I bring up my article. Tomorrow is. Last year and two, thousand, eighteen, hundred, nineteen, two, thousand eighteen, Sean Davis Free Safety, who played deep safety almost every play. Was tied for third on the team in run tackles. Tied with John Bostick like don bosses are big inside linebacker and Sean Davis. Many solo run stops as John Bostick did. This year with Devin Bush replacing Jon Bostick Mak- Fitzpatrick was eleventh on the team. In tackles on run. Place doesn't Bush had more than twice as many as mink Patrick, so that's a big sign like runs were getting deep Brunswick getting past the Linebacker, and you had safeties coming up, and having to make tackles just to keep the to gain down. You know they were making that because if you're free, safety is tackling a running back. That's not a good play. This is not a good play, and you're also going to get more broken tackles. You get Devon Bush in their Devon Bush's eating. Those run place and they just don't get that far. Let's to the last question or last couple of questions and we're going to turn over to the live chat. In this touches on you said how he was a very smart player at how he was able to eliminate. His mistakes. What's his feeling? And how do you think he'll progress next year? And but before flaw finish though. 'cause someone in a live chat brought it up. This is a very weird year for the preparation of Football Team with the pandemic cove nineteen. Yes, where you think he'll be in his progression. How much do you think you'll progress? And will this weird season of preparing a football team in covert nineteen? Hamper his progression as a player. It probably will, but I don't think we'll notice that. And one of the reasons is. He's in a good spot. The lender of last season he was in a good spot to start the next season and be. approachable, maybe even comp- competing for an all pro. linebacker spot. Losing? The off season will hurt his development some. But the way he adapted week to week the way he improved week to week. I don't think it's going to hurt him much. He was playing more like a veteran. I I. Don't think you can treat him like a normal second year player. Like if you take Terrell Edmunds, we saw trail edmonds improve. In Year two. He got rid of some of the flaws from year one, but he still carried some of them with him. Dead, and Bush got rid of those in year one as a twenty one year old rookie as the youngest player in the NFL I. He's GonNa Start Yeah. He's he's GonNa be twenty two. Why in my opinion, he's going to be possibly the best Middle Linebacker in the AFC he could compete for that. He's incredible I. I say that I'm incredibly excited by him as his ceiling. I I'm not even going to hazard a ceiling for him. because. I I have no clue. We saw him eliminate his weaknesses in my opinion become. Close, to all pro level by the end of the season like he's that kind of a player to me. I can't even. I can't even begin to think where he could end up. He could be array Lewis. He could be that kind of generational talent. First Ballot Hall of Fame Guy. I don't think he'll ever get the recognition. You saw realistic because I. Don't think he's the vocal guy. He's never going to be like. We're playing the steelers. Davin Bush. Devin Bush and the Pittsburgh steelers yeah, have to take a knock it ray a little bit either I. Don't think we'll see him using deer antler. Is Well. Having to apologize for you, know having a murder investigation involved in either. Yes. I hope I hope we don't see that stuff devin Bush. What Ray Lewis did on the field deven Bush. Could become that type of player. Could now that type of player now before we jump into and big up. Let me jump into the seat. This dealer super chat here because I do want to mention this. Bradley James, thank you for the one ninety nine. He said big up to the ST goals looking gear. It is actually the Saint Paddy's Day gear, so the Hoodie that I have on is a Saint Paddy's Day that you can't really see it because my name is blocking it, but this is the Saint Paddy's Day. Hoodie with the same patties they had you know I like the switch it up for you guys in. Keep you guys guessing but before we jump into. I WanNa jump into one live chat question because Albert. Fujisaki is my defacto co host. You really like Alford's questions always bump Alfred questions before everyone else. If there is in a super chat and Alfred said Shazia second year jump was really impressive. Do you think Bush has a similar jump or do you think he'll improve even more than shadier in year two and just do the. We Love Ryan Shazier I thought Ryan Shazier was really play. I thought Ryan had some issues some significant issues to his game. Compare the two. And speak to Alfred Fujisaki's question about the year to jump. For Devin Bush. Shazia in Devon. Bush very different players Ryan Shazier when he started to shine was when he stopped trying to be. A normal middle linebacker. And just a tactical was just incredible when he was arrested when he was just attacking the play forward vertically, just Bam hitting holes going through people making plays in the backfield. That's where he really started to shine. Devin, Bush is more of a lateral player. So, it's more like fear would blow up a play, but he'd also miss a play that would get outside of them or. Dead and Bush has more the player that he's not going to misplace. He's going to get there. He's going to find the ball He won't make as much many splash plays. In forcing fumbles getting sacks stuff like that like Chaisiri did. But we already saw Devon Bush at the ball is on the ground Devin Bush on it. Like if the ball's tipped up in the air, doesn't Bush sly into it like he can be playmaker in that regard, but he's not gonna be living in the opponents backfield as much as Ryan Shay Zero does. And if he ends up doing that than he's going to be an incredible player if he can do what he does, and also start making a lot of plays in the backfield. He'll be incredible. Now in our last interview, we talked about Minkah Fitzpatrick in just how much of a fit Minka was for this defense in just how important Minka is to this defense at how sort of music affect this defense to the next level? It was the perfect complement for perfect match, perfect fit in it took the defense to this to this other lofty level that we think that this defense is how vital is Davin Bush to this defense and speak to. Having. Three. Elite athletes in the middle of your defense. You're talking about Devon. Bush talking about Edmonds in talking about Minka Fitzpatrick speak to that dynamic in just. How vital is Devon Bush to this defense? If the steelers were if Devon Bush were to be injured for several games, COULD THEY RECOVER? How could they be just? How vital is Devin Bush to this defense and speak to the dynamic of having very athletic players in the middle of your defense? Remember last week. You asked me about. It gets too much or too little credit and I said I kind of hesitant, said both like he he deserves a ton of credit. But the other player I mentioned. Deserve credit is Devon Bush. I'm going to stand by that and say Devin Bush is incredibly important. I think mink of Bajic is more important because we don't have anyone else. That can be a really good deep free safety if he's not on the field. And you know as Devon Bush's. They're run plays or going to get two three four more yards. You're going to see. More big runs you're going to see to see more tight. Giving trouble at make of his Patrick is out. You're GONNA see guys throwing deep. And get in touch downs, so I think there's a different scale there in in in the value. Of. Is Very very important as defense for taking it to the next level, and as you said with the athletes having. Terrell Edmonds and Mingka Fitzpatrick kind of in the middle at safety and strong safety and Free Safety Devon Bush at Middle, linebacker. That's incredibly incredibly hard for defenses to attack the steelers with especially with as good as Minka is attacking forward into the middle of the defense and a strong as Devon Bushes, attacking from the middle outside, and also attacking middle runs and defending short passes over the middle. It takes away the middle of the field, the entire length of the entire from the from the line of scrimmage. Out Is. The middle of the field is dawn. It's just not somewhere. You can attack. That's the best places to attack. They did a whole statistical analysis and showed the middle of the field was by far the most important part to defend and the steelers have data. And not only do they have those three I'll add in with with having elite athletes is we've got bud depre- and TJ Watt as well. So, it's if you try to go outside. You've you've got bud? Do Pre? You've got TJ what? Got Done Bush Terrell, edmonds who run down a lot of players to the sideline. Where Okay Yeah you escaped led do pre. But you're out of bounds because. Bush, and is right there and they're not. You turn the corner. They're all incredible. That's defense is set up to be ridiculous next season yet. When you look at it, let me let me jump into a super chat here. they. They are so athletic, they they. They are so talented on that side of the Ball WanNa. Thank Dave Shipley for the two bucks. Thank you. Dave and also want to jump into this five bucks from. From Snowman I did not know this I should happy. Eighty seventh birthday to the Pittsburgh steelers and happy sixty eighth birthday to the Great Middle Linebacker Jack Lambert, so it is truly an awesome day in Steeler Land July Eighth I did not know that. Did you know that Jeffrey? That today was the steelers organization birthday? No, I did not I did not know that. In my own anniversary I. Get in trouble all the time. Well, you can write that down, so let me give you a word of advice. Write that down protect the middle of the field in right that down. Because you want to be compromised right down the middle. You gotta get one date right in the year. Get Net date right I told her and actually reminds me now. Will remind me so okay. Put it in your cell phone. Your cell phone write it down, said like ten times in remember, but I feel bad that. I did not know that this was the birthday of the Pittsburgh. steelers because I'm a northside guy, so the Rooney's are probably day. Come from maybe about ten minutes from where I grew up so I feel kinda bad being nor cider is well that I did not know that. Let me jump into a couple of questions here before we get Outta here, Andrew Will Bar, asked the following question. Can't my Michigan Man Devon Bush being all pro in twenty twenty? AM. I'm a Michigan man also born in Adrian, then a University of Michigan Fan longer than I even. Professional football was a thing. Devon Bush. Yes. He can be an all pro in twenty twenty. I think he's got a really good shot at it. Let me, ask you let me jump to this other question. Some of these questions will not be about Devin Bush, but we're going to jump into them anyway. This is from steelers fan one. What about Joe Haden? How many years do you think he has left? He was good last year. I give them at least two more at corner. And I also think he is kind of guy that can move to a safety move to. Change his position to give him a little more a few more years. He's already lost them speed. But you don't see him get so until. He's lots of speed that he can't make up for it. Was His veterans savvy? Then? That's what he's going to be gone, but I think. He gave them a couple more years. Asiatic Noble, this is not a question, but a comment intimidate think if this is true or false that Bush will have around five interceptions. Six forced fumbles in five recovery's in twenty twenty. That's a nice little. Grab bag right there. Five six five. I would not bet against the fumble recoveries. I think he can reach that pretty easily. Interceptions, I don't know teams. They're going to have to throw it. Somebody on one hand I'm like teams aren't GonNa Throw, it make Fitzpatrick Oh teams aren't gonNA throw at Joe Haden Kingston. Throw it, Steven Nelson last year. Teens aren't gonNA throw it. They've got it throw at somebody. If the steelers offense is moving the ball, they have to throw somewhere. He could see that if teams decide the Devin Bush is a guy they want to. Attack could get five interceptions. Forced fumbles that. would be area he would. That would be an improvement. E was not a big fumble coarser. He is more of a just a strap tackler. If you can throw in that like T., J., watt style, rapid and punch, you could see him force more fumbles. That would be a great way to for him to improve it. That would definitely play him as a first team, all pro. Yes that means the voters who don't necessarily watch a ton of everybody. If you create those types of splash plays absolutely get you on all protein. We have a suggestion for you. Though Jeffrey with your issue about your anniversary Snowman said Tattoo your anniversary on your forehead, so you won't forget. I can get a tattoo on my arm or something. It brush my teeth. Be Like Oh yeah. Yes. Yes, yes, so you get a I know my anniversary. It's August twenty fifth. And I will be twenty years this year August twenty, fifth, two thousand. I'm hitting twenty so I. Know See I I I'm well schooled I I. Know My keys, my my my key in diagnosed my recognition, you know by the third quarter of my marriage I had it locked I make that mistake after year ten an AC-. On Devon Bush route I I am progressing. Look a little slower than he did. Alfred Fukuzaki jumped back in and asked another question does Devin Bush have a better year than bobby, wagner or Darius Leonard does. He entered the highest echelon of middle linebackers next year. I can see him having a better year. Than Darius Leonard Hard hard to have better seasons. Bobby Wagner. By could see him passing various Leonard. I think teams are are learning better how to avoid. Leonard and I think with the roster. The steelers have you're. You're gonNA have a really hard time avoiding Devon Bush. I don't know how I. Don't think I. I've seen The guy from Seattle I. Don't think I've ever seen bobby. Wagner MISSA tackle. I mean I. Like like honestly, and that's not hyperbole like he's not always there like making tackles in the Backfield, but when he hits, you is over the plays ranged. It's done I. don't even see guys really fallen forward went bobby wagner gets a hit. You know how linebackers hit a guy and therefore progress will still get them another three you when Bobby Wagner hits you. You know it's done. It's over. It's Veneto Here's another. Here's another suggestion for you from Russ Oath Stein. He said I tattooed my anniversary on my shoulder. So the shoulders have good look you can. You can hide it when you want with the the very nice boba. Fett, T shirt or that DJANGO FIT. My. Okay so you're Nice Boba Fett. T shirt. It could be right here. You know just neatly you know, but here's the thing, though if you tattoo. Are you gonNA. Do European dating so you're GONNA go year month day, are you? GonNa go US just dad month day year. which way would you do it? Oh the numbers are the numbers are low so it. It would like if I put it if I put it European dating, I'd be three months off. Let me to another question. This questions from Bradley James and thank you for the Super Chat Bradley. Thank you for the multiple questions in super chat. Do the steelers draft another middle linebacker high next year to pair with Bush, given the aging Williams. I don't think so I'm a I'm a firm believer in. Gilbert. And again if it's A. High linebacker. Like allow the snaps. She's not GonNa be on the field. steelers play a lot of dime. A. There's going be a lot of plays. One of those aren't on the field and with Devon Bush. It's not gonNA be him. He's not going to be the one off the fields, so if they did draft another linebacker high. I don't know how much value that'd be. That wouldn't be the best value my fan. And that's the thing I think that we to consider when you're talking about a number one draft pick. Especially on defense I I'll say both sides football. They have to play. Correct me if I'M WRONG JEFF OR DISAGREE If, you'd like They're gonNA. have to play close to I would say ninety percent of the snaps. Right, yeah, if you're first round draft, pick your. You're going to have to play all the time. You'RE GONNA have to play in every package every. Every lime, every package everything because they're seeing. You have superior athletic ability skill, and you're at the top half of the top one percent, so they want you on the field all the time, and that's what we heard. steelers talk about with nose tackles. They don't value them like they used to. Because they're not three down, guys if they are taking a guy in the first or second round. They want that guy on the field all the time. They don't want that guy to be a situation player, and so unless you can play probably. I'm GONNA guess about eight hundred snaps. You know eight, hundred fifty snaps or more You know you're not. You're not going to be a first round draft. Pick and I WANNA say big up to Adriatic Noble. Thank for the six bucks. No question steelers nation. Let's go and that's always what it's about. It's about steelers nation. Let me to another question and this is why call Albert Fujisaki my co host, because he has great questions, he might as well host the show for me just from his questions so big of Alfred again this Giovanni Braves hargraves departure caused problems for Devon Bush in twenty twenty pretty hard to imagine that his departure won't be felt. I. That's I agree with that in certain circumstances Devan. Hargrave was incredible against zone run plays. I loved him again. Zone. Run place, more power oriented plays. They could move him off the ball with the double team. He wasn't an anchor and hold double team Kinda Guy. But was good on zone place and when teams with Zone Ryan, you would often see Giovane hargrave creating like he would have a grip on the center and the centers trying to like get off of him, and he can't and Devon Bush's shooting through gaps where Devan Hargrave is just not letting people get into those gaps than filled them. He that's where a lot of devon bushes tackles for a loss came so you're going to have to see all Tyson Valu. Fill that kind of a role where he he's able to move laterally and keep those double teams on him and not let the double teams get pushed off of him. In order in order to to fill in for John. Hargrave, but really filled that role. You think there's anybody else on the roster outside of Lulu that will get some snaps. Somebody Young Defensive, Lineman that they've drafted in the last couple of years. You'd think those guys will get any snaps in that role as a it would that be like the Fifth Defensive Lineman, if you're talking about the three man rotation of fourth or Fifth Defensive Lineman, maybe six. Some of those guys getting supplies. You think that'll be warmly. That will be guided. Also can play that role that hargrave didn't able to occupy those double teams against zone runs warmly, or one of the other guys can do that. I don't expect warmly. I think were really is going to be more outside in the in the five tech positions. He's He was good there for Baltimore. I expect Aliu all is GonNa be the big guy inside. I would not be surprised if Daniel. mccullers does not get snaps. As bad as he is on some clays, and his Battisti has been in the past, he he was good on a lot of plays last year. Wait a minute. Wait a minute stop. Hold wait a minute stop. Stop. Stop Stop It slowdown. Listeners you hurt with Jeffrey, said he said Daniel mccullers. Was Good. On some plays. You gotTA, break down. Build. The floor is yours. Please explain that to me and I I WANNA. Write down. We're at fifty one. Forty three in the interview. please. Break that down for me. If the play wasn't going laterally like I said zone plays Devan, hargrave was asked to move laterally with the line Japan hargrave was destined those plays. Daniel mccullers! That's where he would struggle. You saw plays where he actually did okay on that last season, and you saw other place where it was like. He was slow enough that the other guys like moving with the play to try and keep them from getting an opening were crashing into a one-sided creating a big gap on because he was just too slow moving sideways, and he would create openings for running backs just by being slow. But in place where he wasn't asked to move laterally. Plays where he was asked to just take a double team and hold that double team. He was great at that. And if you try to not double team Daniel mccullers, he will just walk your offensive linemen into the backfield almost every time, so if it's A. Power run. You don't WanNa to see Danny mccullers on the other side because you're gonNA, have an offensive lineman in your lap while you're trying to run the ball. He may not make a tackle. He may not do anything good pass place, but you don't WanNa. See that man one on one in an area where you're trying to run the ball. Because he just he's huge. He doesn't get moved and he was driving people forward. Last season so in a very selective role. He has that value and you'll see that when they pair him in the in the two players sets, they would pair him with Giovanni. And he basically just pushed forward and John Hargrave would make moves it, and he would create opportunity for John Hargrave to do stuff because they had to deal with your von with Daniel, mccullers just like driving the pocket back and just. Making a big hole in the run game where you just can't go there. He's just as big stay seater. So. Wasn't terrible. It's interesting that you say that because the live chat is having a ball. Ezra said. Did you say as a Nehemiah said? Did you say good and mccullers in the same sentence Pinero For Narrows Five. Peru, who actually in his picture has his Michigan stuff on bloods He has his Michigan stuff. He's got the bitch beanie. He's got the Hoodie and big up. The Michigan I don't a lot of family from Michigan, but unfortunately I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Piss you off a little bit. Jeff here. My family's from East Lansing. Where sparks. We we are spartans we are spartans. Daniel. mccullers is good. So I? Put it like this Jeff You watch enough film. We will give you the benefit of the doubt on Daniel mccullers. You know my personal thought was. He had the secrets of pruder film in in his in his in his basement, and he had the single bullet theory he he had all that documentation, and somehow you also have pictures of the coaching staff, and that's how he remains on the roster on the roster for at least seven years I think I mean he has been he he. He lasted past his rookie contract, hasn't he? Yes, yes, so They live him they. They like him for some reason well. I'll tell you my thought on why he's on. The roster is because goal line sets. You need someone like him. You in short yardage sets. You've gotTa have that one guy who's just going to be begging and unmovable, and he guy well. He is a monster. So before we get out of here Jeff t article once again. Let them know what you're going to be breaking down and also tell them about the the last part of the secondary article. Tell them about that stuff and what you got coming up before we get out of here. All right like you said my last week after our show. By last part of my secondary evolution zone series was a sized part series. If you go to behind the steel, Kirk curtain and search film room. Those will come up. Tomorrow I'm my article indefinite. Bush comes out. It is called Devin, Bush his best attribute is his learning curve, and it's shows it's all about showing his improvement from the start of the season to the end of the season. In, the future got a series about a tight end about the tight ends. The steelers use them I'm working on, and I'm also working on a play showing how very simple film room showing how things that Matt Canada does did in college are already being done in the NFL and how the steelers might incorporate those similar to place? We actually saw other teams use against the steelers last year. I'm wow. I WanNa see that definitely. I want to definitely check out that one would mccafe is so thank you. Jeff for another fantastic interview and I. Urge you guys to to I either either particular order either listen to this show i. then read the article on Devin Bush or check out the article. I come to the podcast about Devin Bush but put them together as a package, so you can get all the information that you need about. About Devon Bush from bt Esi, we give fantastic content. Jeffords breakdown film putting it on the website. Make sure you check it out there. Tell a friend do everything you can to get this awesome content, but jeff again. Thank you, thank you, everybody in the live chat and you know next time we do this. We're to break down Daniel mccullers and how he changed his the goal line package, and why he is a seven year steeler vet. That going to conclude the program and is always tune in Selah. Friend and so Scott.

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Standard is the Standard: Bold predictions for the Steelers during training camp 2019

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Standard is the Standard: Bold predictions for the Steelers during training camp 2019

"Pittsburgh steeler fans what is up I am back. This is Jeff Arvin editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. You can get rid of me forever. I mean I came back after a week. It was a great vacation Asian. I appreciate I got actually couple emails <hes> but you know what the thing is is that I'm super proud of the guy that's co hosting. The Standard is Santa with me today. It's not lands Williams. It's his turn to be on vacation SEDAV Scofield. The Fillon guy is here with me. Dave I just WanNa tell you see propriety of data tremendous job keeping things on lockdown while I was gone. How's it going this afternoon? It's going all right. I'm I'm tired of all this heat. We have going on man. This is not good for a big guy. <hes> you come back from the beach and you're probably hotter year that it was there. It actually was yeah. We had temperatures in the nineties but you know when you're standing next to the ocean to get that nice breeze. It's not as bad but this is a sweltering heat for sure. You're so hopefully wherever you listen to this. You're inside. You're sitting back and getting radio listened to a bunch of you know Nice Pittsburgh steelers talk and nothing else was like in row. Quick ties is looking Pretty Tan. Thank you very much which is I I enjoy enjoy being outside in the son of a beach bumps. I enjoyed that we off. Let's get right to things. The title of this episode is bold predictions for the steelers training camp steelers training camp starts this week report on Thursday they do. They're stupid run tests which since they've had Casey Hampton off the roster is pretty much been a non factor and then Fridays the first official practice correct me if I'm wrong dave and maybe you don't know this is Saturday the first public public practice or is it Friday. I'm pretty sure Fridays the first public practice but the first padded practice is on Sunday Sunday yes yes that's deal <hes> the C._B._A.. Had had to have so many practices in before they get <hes> the pads on zoo I it's kind of a tease unity report and then they practice sort of you get a lot of reports and then that's the big boy pads go on Sunday and that's when they really start seeing a lot of information about backs on backers and stuff <hes> real quick before we get started lows last time you were training camp. Dave last time I was at training camp was never having never been to latrobe. I've I've wanted to mention that you guys in the past Mike. I'm just looking for someone else to go. I'M GONNA think I'm weird. I get really anxious going into unfamiliar situations. Like where do I drive. Where do I park? Do I work this out so I've never actually made it to training camp. I've done the family fast. When I was a kid? The steelers used to come down to Frostburg State University and scrimmage the Redskins who were who had that as their training camp but I was a kid and I used to go there and watch the steelers but but I've never been to latrobe tae what and we're live right now if you if you're willing to drive legacy of Brian we all live in the same town. If Brian Kids get a day off off and we could we should go pick a day and we should go out and we could be live reporting from from actual latrobe and give insight and see what we could do. I would insist on driving. I would definitely drive life not driving no. I don't like to travel driving. I gotTA drive an hour. If I'm phone traveled at our driving feels like a half hour if I'm writing it feels like too so that's just me I don't mind driving. I always liked drive in but I want someone who knows where to go what to do and can tell me what to do for the first time and then I'll just go from there. That's going to be Brian. He's been there more recently than I have. It's been really long time. I want to go back and so maybe we do that. We're going to get that I think I think the fans deserve that so we're going to try to get that avid so speaking of latrobe Saint Vincent College here we go the steelers reporting bold predictions week ago a bunch of different ways these bold predictions and it could be a potential can't battle and the result it could be something like maybe someone making the team that you didn't think of the team okay so for for me. I'M GONNA go out and here's my first bold prediction is that I think the James Washington is GonNa prove his worth during this training camp and he is going to cement himself as number two or number three receiver her and if Ali is in the live chat he's going to chastise Muzio is does because he calls me James Washington Fan boy. I just think that this kid has got his head on rate. Antonio Brown has gone. He's not in that locker room. Juju Smith Schuster. I just think he has much more of an endearing quality to him or of a team team oriented. That's what that's going to be about. I think James Washington is GonNA shock a ton of people this season and he's GonNa Privy. He's going to be if not number two number three three. Maybe only behind Dante moncrieff before he's eight years. What do you think about that? I it's funny because I was leaning about going the very similar way I think not just James Washed. I'm looking for the receivers receivers that just all come out and just start balling out in camp that you're just going. You're gonNA hear so much about receivers that we're going to question why we ever doubted them. In the first place I think now will that translates to great great play week one of the season. I hope we're only doing a bold prediction for training camp. We're not talking exactly but I think what we're going to hear about from training campus man look at this wide receiver core. Look at this wide receiver core so I'm GonNa kind of piggyback off off of that and my prediction I'll keep it to offense and then we can move move defense prediction is that one wide receiver will be traded before the start of the season ooh because I think they're going out so oh well that one of them. They'll trade okay so he thinks gets traded. What's Yeah I mean if I had to pick one? I'll go with Eli Rogers but <hes> because I don't think they could. I don't think they could trade switzer again after he's been traded twice a recently. I just think that would just be too much red flag but I think if Eli Rogers comes out see it's so hard because you're like he could play so well. He could get a lot of value you but if you played so well why don't you want to keep the problem is I think you're going to see all kinds of guys that are just going to be showing up like crazy his the deontay Spencer. Is that the N._A._F.. Player that's on the roster. A lot of people were talking about is that his name issued deontay Spencer is definitely one of the world wide receivers at a lot of people were talking about <hes> he was brought up during the burning question and out of the receivers. He's who I know probably the least about I mean I did some research on on Johny <unk> Holton who knows he could be a guy that that that if he plays well enough could be traded but like I said he's guy because of a special teams value that they might WanNa just keep because of he's more of a D. H.. B. He could be that that special teams Guy <hes> then then you've got even trae Griffey who was on the practice squad. You got all these guys that boy. Wouldn't it be nice if you just have to many quality guys what could happen if you're a steelers diehard Fan Nike love this intricate details stuff of the fifty three man roster. These are the players that you're going to be keeping an eye on in training camp during the preseason games based on the fact that if Deontay Spencer does really well and I'm not sure if they're going to be used them they could potentially put him on the block and say hey you need a wide receiver. We have one. He's looking at what he's doing because you're not gonNA WANNA get rid of you. I Rogers. They just gave a new contract. You're not gonNA WANNA give her Switzer. James Washington Safe Dante moncrieff vis a Jewish Apron deontay Johnson say that's we've always said the six wide receivers are basically the six wide receivers and yet Johnny Holt will make it but I. I don't know if that's going to be the cases. I don't know that he will make it. I'm just saying don't be there was times last year. People like all dot going to keep the H._p.. They got too many other. Who was the one guy that a bunch of touchdowns last preseason? They wanted him to keep honors in Paterson Patterson. Yeah actually ended up with Patriots is last year yeah but but you know people like all the steelers will keep in. They've had enough of the H._p.. They I'll tell you value that special teams don't be surprised if they're kind of preserving that six wide receiver and even the fifth guy on Game Day <hes> but the Charlie us if you go five wide but would be your specialty and he's really interesting topic because if you think about it they had areas Haywar Bay on the roster last year active every game because if one healthy yeah because it is special teams play very rarely saw the field on offense nothing he didn't but you've early did. I don't let let's look at the six Juju Smith Schuster not playing special teams <hes> James Washington not playing specialties. There's <hes> <hes> Dante moncrieff. You didn't bring him in play specialty. NOPE Yanni Johnson might be a return man but that's about it okay. They don't have those specific players that Ed are just GonNa be those gun so I actually have to think wh what is the plan. Mary did definitely does wrench. Maybe to something we talk about the preview this Friday where we can really dig into it <hes> so I like that you see you said a trade okay. I'm going to get a defense aside from an ex bold prediction and say Mark Baron and Devon Bush prove their worth early in camp and what I mean by worth is dare mark barons hefty contract and Devin Bush's draft position being traded trading ten spots up getting him ten Dover all that's my bold prediction. I think there's a lot of people were kind of wondering what is GonNa look like what's Mar.. I think it's going to be very evident very early. They're both gonna be at a cover well. They're going to have that side on the sideline speed that the steelers have coveted his ryan cheese years injury and I also think that it's going to be a calming presence to the entire defense in terms of a guy like Sean Davis. Dave is not having to worry so much about what's going on in front of him can worry more about the D.. Bend makes more plays. That's my bowl prediction that both those players Bush and Barron will actually prove their worth really really early in trading man. You just like taking all my ideas don't you because they really rely on Joe. No I'm I'm. I'm GONNA in kind of respond to that. When I'm going to kind of do mind that's almost kind of a piggyback to it? I'm going to say that we're GONNA see in sub packages Williams Bush and Baron on the field at the same time. I think you're going to see baron. Maybe as that third safety yes linebacker where they could even there might be sometimes just a Montana go in the regular season but I'm just saying in training camp and possibly the preseason early on in Games in some sub package. They might try it out to say hey now you don't know who's actually who's actually covering and who's actually coming up as linebacker it could be either Bush or I know what you're saying. Why even keep Vince Williams on the field which is true but what I'm saying is that is that you could I mean and maybe maybe they pull off somebody else but I I wouldn't just I'm trying to think of something really really bold? If I'm going to be the Lance Williams I really got to come up with something bold so I'm going to say that they flirt with that idea especially since we don't know about their safety depth of saying hey we're gonNA kinda use Mark Baron as both a linebacker into safety in nickel. I'm fine with that idea. That's what you want to be especially. If if it's a a heavy nickel where they WANNA keep is run staffers on the field when you go dive. You've gotta give Williams off. That's what you WANNA get a player like if you put Barron and Bush out there as you're inside linebackers. You're GONNA one <hes>. Even if it's a Cameron Sutton out there is another defensive back who can also be Affleck's Flex Safety Brian Allen. If he shows out makes the team this year he's actually listed as a hybrid cornerback safety so they actually have some. They actually have some options which is something they've lacked in the past especially inside linebacker so oh I don't. I'm not disagreeing with you in Bush Baron Williams being on the field at the same time but I think it's going to be very specific to certain scituate yes well. It's going to be Kinda like remember what a lot of people were talking talking about last year during camp. They were talking about all the steelers working so much on this dollar defense on this dollar defense. We're going to see it all the time to be seed all the time no we didn't but they used it a lot in camp in order to see what they could do with it. This is just something I'm thinking. That that even in what you might sometimes even think is a base package they might almost co which would make it. Almost I got to thinking about this more so than someone asked it last week during the burning question is do you ever see the steelers throwing in kind of like a four three. We look just to confuse defense at times where it's almost like a base look. I could see them testing this out in training camp just to see if it's something they could do. I'm not going to put a pass them. I mean Tomlin has done different things like that. In the past I in Latrobe job just to kind of see it's kind of like a throat against the wall and see what sticks and maybe they try that again this year. That's not a bad one. <HES> here we go. Let's go special teams. I'm going to say my bold prediction is that <hes> Chris Boswell will not just make the win the battle and beat the kicker but will actually regain his two thousand seventeen four. I think the Boswell I don't know I hate saying this because they don't know him. He came off his arrogant after his pro bible year two thousand seventeen <hes>. I don't know inside information your folks don't kill the Mestre but that's just what I thought and I think last year is a slap in the face so I think he's going to rebound. That's my bold prediction for special teams. What do you think about that? Ah I would like to rebound at the biggest thing goes down. I'd say his between his ears that's really the biggest issue that you're going to get for almost any kicker I mean Boswell really seemed to to to be upset whenever anyone mentioned the fact that some question him being selected to the pro bowl that year because they felt that he was the best situationally because he was given the opportunity to win so many games but a lot a lot of people did feel that Justin Tucker was still better kicker and I think Justin Tucker might have even been all pro that year even though it wasn't the pro bowl kicker last year he was all pro when he wasn't the pro pro look. I can't remember if that was two years in a row or not but I that's one of those that I don't know if you're right but it sure would be nice if you were that. Would that would definitely be a positive thing so once again. You're you're going. I'll do a bold prediction. <hes> wasn't planning on doing special teams. I'll say I'll say of your of your three specialists. Now I'm going to say of your five specialists. Including your kick returner Turner and Punt returner they will not be the same five people that they were last year. There will be at least one change. I was going to go so bold to say either. The long snapper punter kicker one of them will be different but I don't know if they will but I think if not I saw something is going to be different out of those five coming into this year okay. Let's show you one more. You can go wherever you want for this one. <hes> I'M GONNA go says very bold <hes>. I'm just trying to get something really really <hes>. I'm GonNa go and say that Steven Nelson re just like Mark Barron really proves his worth as a guy I that's athletic is around the football lot and could take it away and that's other. They need offset Joe Hayden so we're going to free agents. I think the Barons GonNa really do well moncrieff. I think is going to have especially early on in training camp. It's going to be takes time but having Stephen Nelson's in a position where he's even better show. Hey y'all pay me this money. You all maybe the highest pre free agent and franchise history ominous show you what I can do. That's my bold prediction right there about Steven Nelson. What's your last one? I'm going to say Benny Snell. Junior has at least five touchdowns in the preseason okay. I think he'll average more than one a game because I think he's GonNa get a good bit of work and I think he's GonNa <hes> he's GonNa find the end zone. I was close to saying Benny Snell. Actually is the RB two on the roster <hes> the second on the depth chart behind connor but I think Jalen Samuels proved way too much last year and his spot playing when Connor got hurt that I don't think that had happened so <hes> I think that they're going to use benny snow and certain positions that he may be a short yardage Guy <hes> he might be a goal line guy but I think about it and I rotate bipartisan article today with James Connor. I said you know maybe you'll put up. Seventeen touchdowns total next season. He scored thirteen last year rushing was twelve. He's a he's not a bad goal. I back no he can punch the Paul and they your need that so okay. I don't think it matters who's the two and who's the three. I don't think where they write it down. On steelers DOT COM on their on their depth chart I don't they get matters because the steelers dress off three running backs anyway and someone might be there number two running back but he might not get as much playing time as their quote unquote number three running back if they're using them as a receiver on third long situations so I don't think it really matters between Snell and Samuels man that's not easy to say quickly that that WHO's going to be two and three because all the matters is that they are two and three because I don't think it I I don't think the steelers do the hierarchy that way that it really matters I agree with you. I agree so a lot of people in the lives have right now. We're talking about already burns's potential trade honestly honestly to me. That's not that bold. The bold prediction would be already burns rebounds and someone vodka drinker actually said that he gets his head of his bud starts playing football. I still to me if already burns were to rebound. He still not are going to be on the field exactly as the starting cornerback because you don't go out and sign Steven Nelson for that huge money deal. It's not huge money for the rest of the N._F._L.'s huge money for the steelers and then have him sit on the bench so already burns is still on his rookie deal. He's not getting paid a lot of money relatively speaking and so if he does come return to form he's he c b three on the depth chart. He's the corner of the three cornerback. That's just the way I think you agree. I completely agree that even if he does bounce back he's buried on the depth chart. If he doesn't bounce back he's buried so far on the depth chart and might he doesn't get a helmet if he's still on the roster but I mean he's he's got a he's gotta show more even if he he comes out and shows more than he ever has before with the steelers he still number three and the thing is though is if that were to happen it would be really really huge for the steelers because let's be honest Joe Heathens injury history as well known and so can you were able to come back and say you know I've regained my swagger and he's playing well and the preseason. He looks great even if they're picking on him he's around the football. He's making tackles basically the opposite of what he was the last season then that's a proven veteran presence is Atlanta always talks about this three PS production pay pedigree. He has the pedigrees draft egg on his side so that's good for him to make the team. Would he be traded. They would have to have someone else they say like Justin Lane really really show up and show promise because they're not gonNA dumped him or trade hand if they feel like an lanes. If you a year off maybe Eric Red Shirt season so that'll be fun to watch and you know we appreciate all those commenting just the one more thing about already burns's. It's I could see this happening for him. I could see him really bouncing back based on how he has to approach it starting Friday the first day practice every other season it was his job and he needed to produce for it now. It's you don't have a job. You've got a really show US something to even have a job so that's a whole different mindset coming into good where it's not of it's mine and I need to not screw it up. It's I've gotta go out there and earn. It and I think that's a better mindset for him going to training camp yeah I agree with that one hundred percent now before we on our next Senate thin here I wanNA take the time until all the listeners out there at first and foremost you should be checking behind the curtain dot com not just remind writing days writing Brian's writing <hes> in a bunch of other writers that I have on my staff because in my opinion it's one and stop shop for Pittsburgh steelers news and even out thrall to the off-season eight articles day during the week six on the weekend that will change when training camp starts training camp is the official start of the season therefore you might get ten article will someday you might get twelve article Sunday. It's just all depends on the news cycle but here's what's coming up that I'm always really excited about. It's going to be happening on Thursday mornings. It is the two thousand nineteen behind the steel curtain dot com. I'm training camp. 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You can find us on youtube by searching. B._T._S.'s steelers radio is my question is what are you looking for. This doesn't have to be one thing Dave. What are some things that you're looking forward to seeing in training camp? That's it doesn't be predictions or anything. We'll be just did that. Had what does the days a year. She's looking forward to coming up and training camp. That is a really easy question for me and I'm glad I get to go first so I I cannot wait to see how our franchise franchise quarterback to the future is going through second season how he's GonNa come out there and and you know show what he's got. I can't wait to to get me some Mason Rudolph on the field. I'm hoping I'm hoping he starts week one of the preseason and everything I wanna see because I thought he'd agree last year under some people said he was lackluster. I was at the fourth preseason game and I thought he was great. I lights when he ran the ball into the end zone and took the pop from someone and went after him and that's what I wanted to see and I can't wait to see him on the field because you know Ben's going to get every third day off approximately. I'm really hoping he can get some work. Get an show what he can do yeah that would have been taught my list. <hes> I wanna see something I always look forward to. I WanNa see the rookies I wanna hear about the rookies how the rookies doing <hes> eighty think about all this time that we've had in on. The preview this Jewish preview which airs on Thursday night here live on youtube which is Dave Ryan of myself. We previewed every single rookie vern entirely one episode one per episode so everyone knows about Devon Bush but house Deontay Johnson doing house just in lane. Look <hes> <hes> you know what about some late around picks Sutton Smith everyone's camp darling and Campesina started yet. <hes> Isaiah bugs is he Joshua Frazier two point. Oh from Alabama <hes> the tight end for Michigan is name escapes me currently Lebed at the same time is generally entry Zach gentry. You're going to be an actual player. It's going to make the team and get a helmet on Game Day. These are things that I'm always looking for two. I always like to hear about the rookies. I never liked to see AH rookie undrafted rookie not make the team and the C._E._O.'s have had a couple of those in recent years. I WanNa hear them all doing well that speaks volumes about the scouting department and the potential of the future for the team so that's what I'm looking for what else you got I looking forward award to seeing the offensive and defensive line inaction because during O._T._A.'s people are wondering why don't we hear anything about bugs. That's because it's basically seven on seven football. You're not hearing anything about the offense of defensive line. I I want to see how this offensive line's come together. As Brian said Thursday night he wants to see that they have seret syndrome so so that really WANNA see how the line comes together with the new coach the defensive line the guys that you don't see in O._T.. As get them in pads and can finally here how they're playing. That's a really good point line I specifically. I want to see that right tackle spot. There's something hand you know Bland City Yeah I said it episode about how it's mad. Filers Jobs Elise and I'm not disagreeing with Lance. I agree with that hundred percent. There's something about szucs core for tasting bank. He's GonNa win the job. I've been calling for that. One call me crazy. I don't know there's something about. I don't know if it's his experience last year or what we heard about him post draft after he was drafted. I don't know I have a feeling that he's GonNa win job. That's just crazy. I'm not sure just funny because when we did predictions oh my goodness this was back will be reprieve you and players with the draft right off the bat. Just at the draft I made you and Brian. Do you a prediction that who was going to be the starting right tackle and you guys both went filer and I went with tooks just to be different because they talked about his athleticism they talked about if you would've played for Alabama. He would have been a first round if not a first half of the first round draft pick all these things and you know. We like to see guys jump from your one year to understanding how everything works. I'm not count him out but once again it's not that big expectation that he has to come in and perform or else. He's GONNA lose a job. He's GonNa come out and earn it and that's always better for for players especially young players what else you got what else you were do <hes> I just did that. One turn <music> checks. I asked what they're looking forward to. <hes> in. No one has really there was a good one. That's real lemons. I was GONNA say we're we're Ron said he wants to see speed athleticism awesome. Be Evident on defense yeah good one. I guess my what I'm looking forward to won't be won't be really known until week one of the regular season and even then it won't be known. I WANNA know how the steelers plan on Utilizing J. Von Hargrave survey this year because that's a guy that was unbelievably productive. He had six and a half sack's last season and you might know the number of Stub your head. He didn't play that much. We talked about last week when when on the burning question question because some people really wanted to say about him putting a putting on a push to be pro bowl or even all pro and I said the biggest problem is he's not on the field enough. It was right around forty five percent of the snap slash even Ms Nath exactly and they worked another year before they didn't do this but last year they did much better working him in at defensive tackle when they were in some package where he would be in when you only have two defensive lineman rather than three he would still stay on the field at times but every time he does either to it or Hayward's coming off so it's it's I. I like the the problem of getting quality players enough snaps. That's a good problem to have absolutely absolutely and like I said we're not GONNA know how they're going to utilize him because they're not going to do that in the preseason too much and then you get into even week one it could be a week by week basis. You know they could use him specifically against someone like New England more because they want that interior career pass rush because that's what he's good ad that's what he's known for and then they might not blame as much against a team like Cleveland because they want the run stoppers out that they want the guys that can take up to blockers and let the linebacker slow so <hes> okay. What of <hes> what what are their? What else do you looking for anything else <hes> I'm? I'm looking forward to Felicia being back in the live chat so we can now say even though it's belated we can give her the happy birthday. Shout out. I I didn't see her in the live. Chats this this past week I know she catches the show otherwise if she's not on the live chat but <hes> happy belated birthday so okay well in felice earlier in the show I do WANNA mention. She did give five dollars the super chat feature and if you're a new viewer on on Youtube understand what that means what that means is that <hes> when you go to the bottom of the screen whether you're on a desktop or or if you're on a laptop or sure on a phone or tabloid or tabloid a tablet <hes> you type in whereas his Chad Chad public on the right. There's a little dollar sign you click on that dollar. Sign you donate any amount of money goes to show we're going to be taking my way hit a threshold which have not yet we obviously will get that money we could use that towards giveaways and things like that so <hes> she gave his is five dollars out of her own pocket. We appreciate that as always I call that are tip jar so Felicia. Someone earlier gave us a dollar so <hes> at this point the show. I'm going to read off. Some of the people are looking forward to you but while I'm doing that you can feel free to ask them questions. We're an answer some questions here and <hes> we'll get to that in Felicia obviously says thank you and he's under ten dollars. We really appreciate you Felicia for all that you do <hes> couple. People are looking forward to. Let's go with <hes> Ryan. He says I want to Terrell. Edmonds improves as improve the season. He looks very fast athletic. That's a good one <hes> APPs absolutely we talked about how there's the speed that Ron mentioned <hes> Nik- Nikola says I'm excited to see wide receivers will step up to help Juju Smith Schuster absolutely snowman. He wants to see the defense improve. <hes> Ryan says the battle for the number two tight end spot. I'm not sure that's with of Xavier Graham. He has already in the bag <hes> <hes> let's see here <hes> Oh math. Thomas says he wants us to go to the Friday night's practice at inland latrobe highschool. I'm not sure we'll have to see Dr Brian. He's Outta town right now but <hes> let's I have a question for you day before we get started with taking questions from the live chat. I did article today a pick your poison article and that's something I've been doing for the website throughout the off-season. When you know you you WANNA put out some content you WanNa get some discussion going and so you ask general question I did with the best out three or four outside linebackers in team history <hes> I've done a bunch of periods today's was because we're getting ready for training campaign for the players show up and this is something? I've always felt strongly that for some reason would you rather see the steelers show up in just have no fanfare no swagger at all just show up and be regular road average joes to use the dodgeball reference or do you want to see the global gym guys rolling in like Brekke so used to come in and attractor. James Harrison drove a fire truck. One time we all know Antonio around rolling up the Rolls Royce with his todd autograph on it. He wrote in another <hes> old school like a historic Rolls Royce with the driver. He was dropped in from a helicopter last year. <hes> James Hairs number one year showed up in a smart car. He barely fit in bids Williams last year. Hey came any of the stone cold. Steve Austin vest on Blair in the music had a championship belt. I WANNA get I don't want to did you read the article I did not read the article but I did see the headline I did see I gave away by thoughts in the article that no I wanna get your views before I give mine so you like that dizzy entertaining or do you say just show up and get work. I always thought it was very entertaining personally but but I have a feeling that they might go out of their way to just show up and go to work this year because of who the fanfare was over in years past if you know what I mean and if that individual who in case you did not realize it lands and I I said something and then lance came up with his new name we are going to refer to him as which is Mr third and fifth. That's how he's going to be referred to from now on on the standard is the standard that I wouldn't be surprised that they just decide hey guys. Let's just let's show that this is different so that wouldn't shock me but they don't have to. I'm cool with the stone cold entrance. I'm because to me that seem I keep us there to get down to business. If you know what I mean so I wanted to be more about showing that I'm ready to be here to work rather than showing that. Hey everyone look at me. I WANNA be special okay. I've let's go back into the old time if she now the very first article that I ever road for behind the curtain dot com was not the editor. I was just a peon volunteer writer at the time I could probably dig it up br it was right after training camp when I started with website and bread keys ugly had just shown up to training camp and he had his he was in a tractor and all this stuff and I was like oh my gosh. This is so annoying to me. I don't WanNa see you in a tractor. I don't WanNa see you showing up in a if you if you drive a Rolls Royce every day and you WanNa roll up in a Rolls Royce that's fine <hes> if I don't need you being chauffeured in. I don't need a helicopter dropping you ahead. I don't need a fire truck to me. It's all pomp and circumstance and it's a look at me thing and I don't like that. I don't like that stuff. I've never liked that stuff because as a coach it was always about the team it was never about individuals calls and I know that these N._F._l.. Players are individuals and all that stuff but to me. I've always said in my article stated this. I got crucified for it on the website in the comments action which is basically. I said we break easel. Leave a tractor on the farm. Just show up with your pillow with your suitcase. Hey guys here to do some work. That's all I gotta say time to get to work. If I guess I look at this doesn't one thousand nine hundred if they haven't learned anything it's that they need to do things different period. I I feel they needed you things. From the moment they stepped onto onto Saint Vincent College campus to the move they leave the moment they are getting ready for the Patriots in week one. They had to do things different because they've been doing past years. Obviously is not working so for me. I'm I'm not the the fanfare I've not the pomp and circumstance. I have an idea. This is what I would love to see the steelers this year they're going to addity with with some coordination of this meet somewhere else in training camp together with all their belongings and pack them on trailers and load on the bus and drive roll up their training camp together as a team on the buses and also off the buses together that would be cool that would be cool and that would be that would speak volumes to me <hes>. I'm looking at the article now. There's there's dismantle comments <hes>. I'll get you the results here in a second but so you're for the show up in style though right now. I'm I say that it's I don't mind being a story <hes>. It doesn't bother me if if you're showing up I I really didn't mind events Williams names when I liked it out one but I want you to show up that you're ready for business not showing up just to just to to say hey everybody look at me so I don't know I mean it's Kinda hard to show up anywhere different for without being able to me I mean bread Kiesel. That's kind who who he was that kind of embraced the kind of person that he was shop in attractor but at the same time I completely understand what you're saying well you put yourself behind the team. Instead of the team is saying guys this year and I wouldn't be shocked if Cam Hayward's the one that leads his charge and says because you never see Ben Rothlisberger show ever ben gets then goes in the back way where there's no media and all. Well now that you never see Ben Rob Global and into the dorms but you do see Cam and you see a lot of other leaders and so for that I would say I came here guys in Vince Williams. He's already said article that tomorrow that issues all the business they're not. They're not messing around it will be interesting to see and so far. There's been almost two hundred votes on the poll when I think at seventy seven percent <hes> so I think that a lot of people were on my side so they get to work. I would not do it. I would Maka threw a fit about him doing it but I would prefer them. Just show to go to work. Hey I'm the I Patel Editor in chief. The verge host of the verge cast even revamping the versus more and more lately and coming out episodes twice twice a week sometimes even at Third Bonus Soda on Tuesdays and talked to influential people around the world attack like Microsoft founder Bill Gates and other tech exactly founder of lime scooters the C._E._o.. 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Is that not just make the teams that make a difference this year. What do you think Dave who's at player who well the thing is? Everyone's talking about the rookies so that's kind of tough <music>. I'm GONNA say someone who's sometimes gets gets pushed back as I am at re-signed with teams here I think Tyson Koala was going to come out and just show that it doesn't matter who the steelers put out there on that defensive line. It doesn't matter if it's they're all pro came forward. It doesn't matter if it's if it's the athletic steph onto it the J. von Hargrave with a great sacks. It doesn't matter who you put out there you are you're going to get no relief regardless. They can rotate them all they want and it's got to be the same kind of type of quality so I'm Tyson Allo Allo Okay I. I think that's a great one because no one's talking about him. <hes> I'm racking my brain here to think about it because in the offseason you talk about everybody we talk about everybody. We engineered podcast the entire offseason. We've talked about everyone of but we'll go. I'm going to go with I think by killed is going to have a balanced back seasons <hes>. I'm not sure if he's GonNa get a contract this year but I think he's going to have a big year. I think they're gonNA figure something out and <hes> a lot of people were all on the Justin Lane train and they think that cam sudden he they basically are viewing Mike illness expendable and I'm not saying that he would fall into that category that he's not expendable but at the same time I think he's GonNa play better <hes>. I and I don't think a lot of people were talking about Hilton as much as they are. Some of the other players already burns is getting more talk than him so that's what I would say <hes> it fosters pal was broadened. That's that's that's a good one too. That's a good one sound bite. I didn't say going back to the Hilton thing and his possible contract the more I think about it the more. I don't think it's going to happen because they locked when when big AL was in the same situation they they have next the price. There's nothing there there's nothing to player can do and then they can go into you know instead of being the exclusive rights being restricted free agent with big al You signed him earlier because you knew he was going to be your guy for at least three seasons that's when you go ahead and lock them up and do the right thing like the steelers did I don't know that there ought to percents certain because of the elbow injury last year and it being a little bit of a down year that Hilton's guy for the next three years why not just played out this year let improve it and then say is he going to be our guy for the next three years so then that's very sticky contract issue negotiation that will have to go on if he gets a deal. It's it's going to be on the steelers terms. It's GonNa be a very team friendly deal. It's not going to be comparable to the other slot cornerbacks getting big money <hes>. That's going to be really interested to see our Nicholas Ass. Who Do you think will be the main number two running back this year? Obviously Blur be between Benny's junior Jalen Samuels. I think is the leader in the clubhouse or frank web her you. You've used the wrong name so the so many times. I'm not sure if it's frank or if it's Ralph I'm not sure well really is is it. I don't know I guess you've called your own on so many times. It's either frank or Ralph Frank. I think it's actually Frank Live Jad. Look it up and let us now but I it's when yes. I'll be frank and don't don't forget because this was something it went out of an article that I do <hes> <hes> off season where I just compile some statistics tweets trae edmonds has nine N._F._l.. Carey's when he was with the with the New Orleans saints so he has more N._F._l.. Carries right now than many snell junior and technically has more. I felt carries and Roosevelt Knicks so here's the other guy that can cause you know they brought him up off the practice squad when when James Connor was injured and they didn't they they kept for the last week of the season. I don't know I honestly it's going to be I think it's what I said earlier that it's going to be Samuelson SNELL and I don't know that they have to really define which one's going to be number two 'cause. I think it could be very flux even week to week based on the defensive. They're going yeah. It's it's Jalen Samuels because he has experienced because he put up forty two years New England last year. He's versatile was there to watch fan works. Fantastic and Desmond writes that it is Ralph Webb Nine would be great is if we could see Ralph Webb get into under the touchdowns zone and the season you know I. I said this isn't a live chat now. Those were in the live during last week when I was vacation. Obviously I'm still taking care of the back end stuff of the podcast I just wasn't hosting and so I would a tune into because I'm waiting to see when they're finished and I I would chime in and say you know of it makes them snide comments because that's my that's actually what I do anyways <hes> I would say <hes> <hes> I got an email I wanna tell the story Brian not here to hear it but I got an email from a listener of their podcasts at said I have a great t-shirt idea and it's you could basically do like the autozone get in zone touchdown touchdown zone in those awesome but it's just such an inside joke like I don't feel he begged ever be a t-shirt that I could sell on the site because WHO's GonNa get it. You know I mean unless you star podcast and listen to that. One podcast with Brian completely at a brain fart forgot the end zone turn instead touched. I'll be honest with you. You didn't have to listen to just that one podcast because I'm sure we're going to bring it up every podcast until at least week one on it did they yeah it's touchdown to get into zone cuts out there so they I mean how long have we been talking about Frank Web Ralph Webb whichever one he is we. We don't let these things as die easy so I still so they all right. Snowman brings up another questions re-signed Mike Tomlin before or after the seasons. He's assuming that you are gonNA resign him. Do you do before draft this season. I don't care it really isn't but I mean it doesn't bother me. I Know Brian we address this on Thursday and he said about not being the distraction that you know ah if not people are gonNA continually ask him about it and of course he's not going to answer the question but he'll continually after not answer the question so it it would be nice to just get the distraction out of the way but if they don't do it. It's going to be an ongoing question if they do it. People are going to wonder why they went ahead and did it after the team didn't make the playoffs last year but then it'll be over with so I'd rather be over with faster. Hey Ain't gonNA happen in training minicamp personally <hes> I think they'll get they'll get things figured out and remember a coaching contract has no impact on the team salary cap whatsoever so they could give them a two year extension and if they don't like what he does your thinking can fire him and anything that they owe him is between the organization and Tom One it has no impact or bearing on dead money cap space or anything like that. I don't understand why people I mean yeah. I get why you care because if they give that extension but it again that extension should this team goes three and thirteen and they missed the playoffs and they fire him then they can fire they have that right so keep that in the vacuum onto so although I do understand the significance of a contract extension it's not as significant as Ahah players contract extension so all right dave anything else so the good the order before we call it a show though I'm I just I'm so glad that every now we're into each one of these podcasts wherever saying the next time we join you you know that's that's that's fantastic I just couldn't. I can't get over how long this off season has been in that. It's finally done when I missed the podcast for two straight weeks because I was in Florida with with my kids at Disneyworld that seems like forever ago and that was still two months after the steelers last game so it's really been along off season that this is going to be so nice to actually see the football being played well. What's crazy here? Is that you know I believe. The steelers first preseason game is the ninth of August. Am I correct there. Is that early if that's the if that's the Friday Friday yes. That's I one against the word on the twenty fifth. They have two weeks to prepare. They actually have their first preseason game so we're going to have actual football to break down. It's not going to be real football. I understand that but we'll be looking at depth chart a dad camp battles. It's coming on quick for your listeners out there. That's a nationally televised game on N._F._l.. 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I Hate the Fins No. 30: Bucs Recap, Jerome Baker's Ascension, Clemson Pass-Rushers and the Jason Sanders Phenomenon

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I Hate the Fins No. 30: Bucs Recap, Jerome Baker's Ascension, Clemson Pass-Rushers and the Jason Sanders Phenomenon

"You're listening to. I hate the finns. This is our thirtieth show with the finsider radio. Podcast network can never remember how that goes. I think god it though my name is keith. I'm joined by zach. My co host is always and these shows are a lot more interesting because we have actual dolphins football to talk about. We can make fun on of weekend. Analyze <hes> we can shame we can do whatever we want on the show and we usually do <hes> the important thing though is the dolphins played last friday friday against the buccaneers preseason game number two and it's quickly hate to say it turning into almost in terms of fanfare the ryan analysts <unk> <hes> situation conundrum for josh rosen in that if you like josh rosen and and you're excited about having him on the team it seems like the returns on his play friday night quite favorable quite <hes> a few sieve for some people in terms of their praise. I was impressed by just really what a lot of people thought recalls a what i thought about how he played last friday and then if you don't like josh rosen or if you're a skeptic he thought it was a wasted pick and you thought we could do better with with that. <hes> that second round choice last year seems like you're you're not as impressed and if you just go through your typical feed on on <hes> dolphins twitter last friday and saturday seemed to be the case definitely <hes> a big gap between those two zag. How did you or or how would you rate how josh rosen did last last friday getting the starting nod by the way in game number two yeah i think you now. I don't really know if that'd choice to not start him in game two there. You got to kind of see both guys with <unk> <hes>. I thought he was fine i am. I don't think he did anything to push him ahead. I don't think ryan says patrick did anything to put him had either <hes> so at the end of day i think rosen an had some good throws again. He's moving a lot better in the pocket and out of the pocket than i remember <hes> him at u._c._l._a. Doing <hes> so that's good. I just don't think there was anything definitive. That'll split them apart. At this point. I saw somebody suggests that ryan. Fitzpatrick is obviously at a guy because he trucks ticked or did a truck on that poorer tampa defender. If if we're going for me purposes this year like fits magic spend dan the guy all along. He wins absolutely wins dolphins twitter. I was fine with it. We chatted. You and i <hes> you and me on on friday morning. Talking about what we're looking for and really you're just you're just hoping to see progress and development josh rosen but he should be you mentioned. It's a no-brainer from start this game because you wanna see what he has you want him to continue to develop you wanna put them in situations where he can develop and that means starting in game two against tampa. It's argument. Put out there that fits it's magic. Hey call that ryan fitzpatrick is the is the starter for really what is the dress rehearsal game game three of the preseason so really you're just hoping <hes> <hes> to see more and more from josh rosen. I agree with the whole mobility thing. I'm impressed with the fact that he doesn't really panic in the pocket whatsoever. I mean he looks controlled in there and keeps his eyes downfield. I i mean he's made some throws or it's like oh man. Please don't do that when the regular season comes around but i mean i get it right now. He's feeling as though it's a little bit and whatnot i the maybe the most important store that few people are talking about of the following that game on friday night michael dealer. I think graded out is the means not saying much greater. The ice raid offensive lineman in that game but heading any league grade and is a guy where you're desperately hoping that he locks up that left guard position especially as a rookie. I mean with wisconsin lyman. I mean they're known for their flexibility and their ability to come in. Take on a position win it. Would you think <hes> tweeted out brian. Baldinger tweeted out. I don't know like two and and a half three minute video clip of josh rosen kind of analyzing breaking down his game what caught my eye in there. There was a wreck that dealer had nominal rep <hes> <hes> the bucks were running like a double twist a gap stunt kinda. Look where the guy that was a gap eventually bails out of many actually loops all way outside comes around <hes> but not play. It's kind of funny you watched eater and he wash calhoun and they're both at very different points of being processed. Those kind of things jeeter takes the guy who's going from. Defensive tackle goal is going out so the other guy twist in the hands off right away and picks up <hes>. I think it was like noah spence and just anchors on october that the rep was perfect. It's exactly what you wanna do. Against that kind of defensive set up more calhoun goes with the defensive tackle the whole time and and just just gums up the whole middle where kilgore has the slide back over and catch the defensive end coming inside <hes> but but dealer had. I don't want to say a great game. I think the p._f. Stuff is a little iffy at times. How dare you i'm sorry the p._f. Theft numbers don't don't always catch it but i think he had a very good game. <hes> i think he gave up like they said you know a one or two real legit pressures <hes> he's wisconsin linemen so he plays well in the run game <hes> so at the end of the day if he could just be good with tunsil next this to him and kilgore just being a solid veteran. I think the left side line will be okay. I think the right side of the line is going to be a dumpster fire. No matter what happens i think with considering where the left guard position is in miami and where certainly where it has been in. I i wanna say recent years. Here's where it goes. It goes further than that. <hes> you have to love what he's doing though right because i mean the guy comes in the third round pick and really is an is still obviously getting his legs still developing but i mean especially on that on on that stunt i mean that's that's savvy veteran playwright there i mean any and he looked fluid and natural doing it like he's done a million times. Yeah i mean he's he's come leonard. He's doing what he needs to do and at the end of the day for a rookie that's really all you can ask for those guys. There's so much to take in and process you know here just learning the playbook but that new plan a whole different speed your learn what it's like to be a professional not only as a professional football player but a professional outside of college just going to work in the first place place you know most of those guys especially you know varsity athletes at division one level <unk> was the last time they had to work just a job so learning learning to do those kinds of things on a day-to-day basis as well so yeah i mean i think he's definitely had a really good point for what you wanna see out of a rookie on the n._c._a._a. A during march madness show me the day in a life of a of a student athletes tackling so i know exactly twenty four hours a day. I know what they're up to yeah so the n._c._a._a. Never lies and now there's a price sending like a death squad to my house like in scarface. They take out the naysayer well if we don't make it a twenty minutes. I'll know why why when when that'd be something we finally had our goal because of that. So what did you want. You brought up a couple of things he wanted to talk about during the show and i'm drawing a blank. I think there were a couple other interesting points <hes> i i know people got a little down presa williams after not having such a great night but again dudes a rookie. That's kind of how it's gonna. Go aw receivers wise. I thought <hes> isaiah floor just always look solid. <hes> we had the conversation about him of why he's not going to be sexy enough to be a <hes> i mean he may not even be a top five receiver <hes> for the dolphins this year but he has some good ability <hes> as they should try to work in at some point <hes> a guy. That's really impressed me. In the preseason is durham smyth a his blocking spin phenomenal. He had a really nice catch when rosenheck rosen had roll out friday night and hit him and he slid and he got his hands under <unk> right otherwise it was going to be an incompletion but so it was <hes> like a twenty two yard completion which was pretty good. It's a pleasant surprise to see. Durham smith started. Put it together especially because you think about he. He was supposed to be the <hes> filling the gap type player after they drafted sickie. Yeah the other thing offensively is miles. How's gaskin needs to be at least dolphins three as of like a week ago. Mark wallin was horrific like i have have more vision at the line of scrimmage than he did. There were points where it was just like. Do you even know who's on. What team do you even know. You're where you are at this point. He was was really bad the other night. Omar kelly claims that make of his patrick hasn't been very good lately. What do you think we haven't. I don't think we've had a show since that that whole i guess you'd say many debacle unfolded mainly on twitter. It seemed a saw that popped up. I saw what his mom's twitter handle was. I found her a quoted that tweet and told her don't worry omar scenario. Your son is gonna be great. You're very wonderful woman. Let's all do do we need to do yeah. It's it's not a big deal like makers gonna play at learn and the defensive staff patrick. Grandma stuff are gonna learn what to do with him. It's training camp playing wherever find out what works what doesn't work. That's like literally. The point of training camp and preseason games aims to clean with money. I was gonna call patrick. Graham patrick ramsey hosts almost the same person almost but not quite in there is one other thing to you probably to really good ideas and it was like oh yeah we'll talk about those and then i was all day in my brain melted. I don't remember what it was off the top of my head either <hes> but we can talk about a couple of other defensive guys i mean i'm sure it was nice seeing charles hair show up that like he can actually rush the passer and and because the way they're doing it where he's in a two point stance any more vision and they're just telling him on certain down just to go get him is exactly what they've been doing since they drafted him <hes> just they now have a defensive staffer defensive coach that understand that so i mean i would not be shocked to see charles. Harris go from lake bust to six to eight sacks. It's no problem this year his get off the line scream is your it was just stupid and that's why they drafted him. That's what they liked about him but you just can't use him as an edge offender all that often and if you are it's gotta be from like a three four look. That's just how it has to be with him. Which fits what they're trying to do right now anyway that they have no problem finding that look for him yeah i mean because they're even running some five to kind of stuff on running downs and stuff <hes> at one point they ran. They ran some three three five kind of stuff. <hes> there are a whole bunch of different install again. This is going to be the most multiple defensive scheme. You've seen the dolphins in years <hes> who had a nice game <hes> the guy i from the cfl that i can never pronounce his name <hes> sam <hes> ooh guava and <hes> people like ooh. Is he going to be a starter. He's not academia starter. <unk> is long as rakwana gets healthy <hes> you're still gonna primarily see ray kwan and drome baker which our own baker baker being the most flexible piece out of that <hes> if anything you'll start seeing <hes> again his last name is guava and <hes> oh i think rotating in four kiko and i think kiko gets phased out going into twenty twenty out especially because this defense is i mean is is young and i think is going to start <hes>. We talk about this all the time. They're gonna start trying to get younger and cheaper in. I mean you go in. I'm looking directly at reshad jones there in terms of in terms of cheaper so yeah i mean <hes> christian wilkins had earlier game again got his first sack playing again from that three three five any players like a five tech. Maybe it was a four i kind of look inside of the right tackle there <hes> and so you know he just used strengthened played smart because he was in a contained look and at the end of the day. The guy was blamed gabar. He just ran straight into so you'll take whatever we can get it. I mean there's there's still a lot of holes on defense and i mean it's gonna be. It's gonna be a a really something ed's in progress. It's going to be times but there are some really fun players on that on the defensive side of the football and some guys with some huge upside and we talked about that last week with the whole jerome is jerome baker the franchise in terms of upside and not minka fitzpatrick which i believe he is. I think jerome baker is you. Saw people mentioned this week something we've known for awhile he's at three down linebacker and i mean they got that guy in the third round. You're not supposed to be able to find those dude in the third round and i mean his his on sort of stature was so unconventional when they drafted him because he comes in. He weighed what i sometimes i mean. He was wanting to ten range from ten to fifteen right around there and i think we're where's he now about two twenty five to thirty. If that i mean i was gonna say that's a high estimate to yeah. I mean if he if he runs around in you know i i wouldn't be shocked if he runs around at two twenty two lower twenties at some point to it doesn't matter to me i mean the guy is is an absolute weapon on the defensive side of the football on clay. We have them and it's so funny that we talk about phasing out guys like kiko now. All of a sudden were not hanging off every word or hang on everywhere when it comes to rape on mcmillan i mean it would be great to seem content developing. I think he will but at one point we. We're hoping that that guy was gonna was going to take over the middle yeah yeah i mean i think i think he's still will on this. Episode is brought to you by c._b._s. C._b._s. sports h._q. So much sports t._v. Nowadays is full of made up trauma. 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You'll receive your first month treatment for free at keeps dot com slash sb nation. That's k. e. p._s. Dot com slash sb nation versus teams that do like to run the ball a good chunk like i think you're gonna see a taunted him versus baltimore <hes> i think drew baker. They're kinda run like a two guy option kind of scheme versus where at that point you're going to have drill baker on whoever the running back is if they're gonna do pitch stuff at all depends. I haven't seen a lot of baltimore's offenses last year. They ran a lot of inside zone kind of <hes> r._p._o. Self so in that case you'd have mcmillan kind of spying running back keeping an eye in him coming down the middle and then acre keeping an eye on lamar jackson going outside but i think you're gonna see a lot of those two versus baltimore out the gate an interesting point too because baltimore last year. They're getting their offensive game. Plan was essentially to to simplify the game for lamar jackson and really put them put them in the fast lane in terms of being able to get rid of the football or talking ron so it's gonna be interesting to see how that's developed. You have to love the idea of jerome baker sure <hes> as counter against the kind of team speed baltimore bows with guys like lamar jackson so i'm curious to see that i'm excited to see that the outside of the second corner position i. I'm really excited to see how the secondary continues to come together especially with me fitzpatrick. I mean you know what you're getting getting with acts at this point. I mean it's a weird when when he we're at a point now where it's weird when he plays poorly or if he gets beat what do you think about them using bobby as single high safety like do you feel like they're kind of. I don't wanna say wasting his this ability and skill set but like. Do you think that's the right spot for him. How do you feel about that ultimately. I think i guess you call it a good problem to have have because they but having minka fitzpatrick in there really kind of spoils the cart for for mccain because in my opinion mccain is of very much a natural nickel so like i said great problem to have but i mean that guy for most teams is a no doubt <hes>. I guess you'd say <hes> pop at the at the nickel spot whereas with miami they're like well. We're going to go ahead and try different things right now. We i mean minka right. Now is in my i mean i mean it's hard to really even particularly at this because i mean he's so good as a nickel prospect. He's also a guy you expect to end up at safety so it's just bad timing yeah in my opinion. Yeah i think you're one one hundred percent on with with minka there and the thing is minka gives you all the same things that bobby gives you in the nickel and more where if you want you can change from being a nickel to covering tight end to blitzing the passer to playing linebacker to dropping back in you know hooked zone coverage all those kind of things where bobby was kind of just more of a arena react kind of short zone <hes> tackler in and coverage guy and like man straight up if they want to <hes> not that there's anything wrong with that. He's the right kind of scrappy guy that you want to have a nickel or make. It just gives you more hundred percent what you're saying there. There's just a lot of upside in mingka's a fabulous example of the n._f._l. Wants right now in its secondary those fill in the blank type players. You know whereas like whatever you need. That guy can give you need. Tackling mingka's got it. You need speed on the back end mingka's. He's got it. You need <hes> advanced reaction skills and a guy reza game at a very high level patrick so i i mean not a lot of holes in his game outside of. I guess you'd say size. <hes> the speed is is very good in my opinion because i mean he's a four for a guy in with his ability to read and react. I mean he plays fast but i mean he's the kind of guy that you think thing about a player with his skill set at that position. Though a guy who identified as a nickel corner for a lot of teams ed do doesn't go in the first around in what outside of within the past ten years maybe maybe even even sooner those guys that were highly coveted in the beginning around two and whatnot but those swiss army knives now guy especially on on the back end there and you're seeing it to <hes> when they can go ahead and <hes> like damn buchanan i think of in terms of being able to play linebacker as well or that that really undersized linebacker role <hes> but that's a a highly coveted skillset now day on buchanan in a lotta ways might be sort of the what i don't want to say the pioneer but the guy kinda set the set the trend in motion of like well is this guy sky in the secondary subdued someone who's just an undersized linebacker. What are we doing here. Either either him or mark barron when mark barron came out once they moved him to that kind of like covers linebacker occur kind of skill set but they definitely pave the way for a lot of these guys like mike darwin to come in and have that of career and the only the thing i'd say about mark baron is he was supposed to be a pro bowl safety. A draft add told me as much when when that when tampa made that pick that his what what do you say is ceiling is a pro pro bowl safety his floors approachable safety yeah yeah i mean in that time period. It made sense to where you still. Oh had dudes that were in rock people <hes> but like he just kind of caught the bad timing of the transitional period <hes> so i think mark bernes drafted six years earlier. That's probably true. Statement just came out at the wrong time at a transition point boy in the n._f._l. Where he adapted and became a pretty good linebacker. <hes> instead of falling off the face of the earth with the <hes> <hes> louis delmas now that's the last guy that i remember like right on the fringe there too that would just come in and blew up <hes> but after to that it was that's just not the way it goes more kind of funny with with bama safeties though that all the guys who like the the highly coveted highly trumped up dude's not all of them panned out and i mean right now you make the case that the the hottest playing in bama safety on the planner knows that he jackson for the barriers and i mean i was outside of the fact that he had that injury and whatnot i mean who who really saw that coming alter talented guy but you think about a lot of these safeties mark baron you mentioned <hes> shanklin dicks was one who is <hes> highly trumped up to and i mean his head had a good career at the packers he's in <hes> and then we're turned with washington now. He's in chicago but but let me jackson is in eddie jackson if not forgetting hurt. My opinion was a top three defensive player of the year candidate last year in imagine. He's probably going to pick up where we left off yeah. No i think he's he's one of the top guys at this point <hes> but yeah it's interesting the bama safety <unk> bama safeties have transitioned from the type of guys that they used to go after <hes> the last one that was even close to you know five five six years ago of traditional bama safeties was ronnie harrison that ended up in jacksonville who's playing pretty well down there but even that he still has some positional flexibility compared to the the old guard there yeah because i mean he essentially identifies as a strong safety but and at the same time as you mentioned now that it's not good enough to just bring a dude in because that's the mark barron thing strong safety and then all of a sudden. It's like oh look. He's playing linebacker now. Which surprised is me when i saw that at the time thing like what mark bernes blamed safety and then i thought about toy <unk> yeah i mean you wanna really interesting safety slash linebacker hybrid. Gotta keep an eye on this year. Who's a guy i think if he plays as well as he did lash clean. Some things up could be a weird first-round pick. Pick is isaiah simmons for clemson. He's a dude. That's i think he's six three six four to twenty. <hes> dude runs like zell like there are our reps of him playing from the nickel where he's in like pressman and blows dudes up on the line and do that he doesn't blow by the line fine. He runs with them crazy crazy athlete for his size. The conversation we had about bama safeties you can essentially have <hes> regarding up until recently clemson pass rushers do it you know and it seems like they're guys have finally started to really hit the n._f._l. Level but remember in years past were dolphins. Fans were clamoring for guys like a shack lawson and kevin dodd especially after that championship game they had worked. I mean get let's face. A kevin died absolutely feasted on some of the worst. Were right tackle play. I think i've ever seen and i i mean to me. Hey you got a you. Take your you take what you're given what you're presented with and he absolutely just rolled the net game and then <hes> <hes> for a while there they were just putting out. I know a gaines adams with the signature. In angular pass rusher the guys that put <hes> put on obviously he pass away very early on it was a tragic situation so we couldn't really see i mean he'd been traded to chicago by that point after i think he went forth in the two two thousand seven draft if i recall correctly he went up already. I yeah remember guys. Isa put out like ricky sapp that dude. I mean they're they're guys for. The longest longest stretch were andre branch. They were six three to sixty ad like they just got it done and that's how they were built then they you get a vic beasley dropped in their <hes> the big one. Oh my god why not going to be a remembers name. The quam bowers was was he clemson clemson <hes> <hes> he was he was the guy that was outside of their mold. He was six five two to seventy or whatever six six to seventy and people are like all this is why you so good he's outside of their moulder doing different things but they didn't really have figured out he was just winning with good size and athleticism but now they've kind of figured it out with your uh brian's and <hes> oh my god the guy that had drafted fourth by warren farrell yes farrell so like now they're kind of figuring out the whole length game <hes> which is really what you need i mean you can have those vic beasley sprinkled in there but they're not always always gonna win and and you gotta scheme up at that point to make sense for their skill set where clemson's iraq those interior he asks her defensive tackle of late and have just been absent worldbeaters obviously where we're someone who's witnessing that right now because we just drafted one of them yeah and i mean like even even do that. It was the third guy in the rotation for them. Huggins like i loved him. He went on drafted but he's a dude that i think is going to be on teams for a long time <hes> email as third or fourth defensive tackle on a team. He's just a good player <hes> so good for them for popping out those guys back and forth i read. I think it's about time car we went. We went past our goal. We blew always hear anything when we do. We just love to talk so much. We love to talk about ourselves so much that it's always right around the twenty minute point. It's just like i love to hear the sound of my voice. I just want to keep it going anything want to put out there before we folded up lasting. I'll throw out to you before we had out for the night in the kicking situation in miami right now jason sanders and that hawk like i think it may be the best. It's been in a long sometime on both ends. There's no there's no debate there. I mean the thing is miami's punting. When i was i will say because i remember when in ninety four i want to say they're planning with john kid and i mean i remember thinking like okay. Serviceable <music> as coli can do some things <hes> i think they didn't. They have like matt turk for like twenty minutes. Maybe oh quick real make an in the neck guy ended up being like a like a perennial pro bowler <hes> after he left but they're punting situation at times has been has been better. We'll say over the past fifteen years. They're they're kicking situation. Since olinda. Mara left has been <hes> the lukewarm luke warm at best. Les dan carpenter early on was probably the closest they got to like a reliable kicking situation and that obviously went away pretty quick but i remember i remember like their kicker. When i became a famous pizza ianovich and i love that dude so much that i have for christmas i asked for a white pizza ianovich jersey that was when like you get the authentic jerseys for one hundred bucks and and i remember my grandparents got it for me and it was on back order forever i mean and that was at a time and we didn't have the internet so you have to call this number and they tell you that they hadn't like got. They hadn't started it yet. So eventually i just cancelled the order if it was like three months later and then the funny thing is <hes> that was after he missed the big kick nick against san diego in the a._f._c. divisional game in a ninety four season that was in january ninety five and that was the worst loss of cylinder. I've ever experienced earnings as dolphins fan. I hope i never feel that way ever again. I'm sure i will but all of that is to say outside of that. Pete was awesome for the dolphins for a time there and then elena marae. It's the scene and people are like oh man forget. Stoyanovich's dude is even better and like he was just he was reliable. Which is what you're ultimately looking for a deposition. When you're settling for field goals you want to settle for three points. I'll settle for zero. So oh jason sanders. I mean it's so funny because the way <hes> when they were going through that draft and people were complaining about them not drafting a kicker acre you remember those and and and they didn't take the guys who were i guess you'd say coveted as possible draft picks and then they and then they grabbed sanders way late and everyone looked at it as sort of like a constellation prize like you guys just settle. You're just doing that just to say you did. You're paying unle lip service to the the position and the dude is just absolutely lights out. It's just funny how it works. Was that was that the twenty sixteen one with aguire was at twenty seventeen in two thousand seventeen. I think i want i was twenty seventeen or no on twenty-six. Is i think so it must have been twenty seventeen. They were <hes> when they got him undrafted. I'm just looking up really quick. Who are all those guys that people wanted. <hes> that didn't take a azazel gonzales harrison butler jake elliott yeah nobody to really was looked at as one of the best long ever coming out of view and i mean i think cleveland got rid of him in like fifteen minutes <hes> when you were asking about twenty seventeen i thought you were talking about jason sanders a rodeo aguayo that whole mess again that dude at florida state stupid good just automatic you know and i mean it's not his fault that tampa gave away a ton of moved up into the second round for him. I don't know why they did that. I i mean i kicked <hes> and i mean i'm told as before and i was actually pretty good at it and at one point thought about trying to make a go of it like trying to go into college and and just you know we'll see where things go but ended up <hes> started playing guitar <hes> and just quit sports like i was playing soccer football and baseball at the time and i was just like i'm not gonna do this anymore. I just quit all sports but <hes> it's just so funny looking at situation. Everyone thought that jason sanders was just such a <hes>. <hes> a settle you know like they settled on on someone at that position just to say that they they draft or acquired them and then look lo and behold. The guy is just an absolute beast. Yes i mean will act out the ended today. Thanks to darren rizzi his genius wish wish you still here but it paid off even though he's not that was a nice gift though so all right i'm gonna go ahead. 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Yeah, I Said It: Mike Tomlin must change for the Steelers to have a prayer in 2019

Behind the Steel Curtain

33:14 min | 2 years ago

Yeah, I Said It: Mike Tomlin must change for the Steelers to have a prayer in 2019

"What's up listeners? This is not Lance Williams. This is Jeff Hartmann and I'm filling in for Lance Williams as he's still on vacation for a year. I said it episode now. If you're watching live on youtube right now you may be saying. I don't even know what you're talking about because this show has never been on youtube before Lance has done it for the entire offseason that it's only been on our audio platforms so lance isn't doing the show. I'm doing the show so I'm bringing the show to Youtube. This is something that will be done during the regular season so you can expect more of this accelerate from Lance Williams in terms of the year. I said it being live here on Youtube. So what is the premise of the I said it if you've never listened before is essentially a chance for lance to get something off his chest. It could be good. It could be bad it could be in different all of that can pertain to the yeah I said it now. Some of you have been listening to these shows especially if you follow the standards standard our flagship podcast here behind the steel curtain and you might be thinking Jeff such a positive guy when it comes to the steelers. What is he going to say in this year I said it episode because Lance is typically on the more negative side when it comes to the Pittsburgh steelers every aspect of the Pittsburgh steelers and I am a pretty positive guy but there is something I want to talk about today to Kinda get off? My chest is the Pittsburgh steelers prepare for training camp on Thursday. The players report on Thursday their first practices Friday the first time they put on the pads is Sunday my yeah I said it this week stems around none other than Mike Tomlin Omelet Mike Tomlin the head coach since two thousand and seven of the Pittsburgh steelers in the whole premise here is it's time for him to change time for him to change period. WanNa read a quote. Everyone's heard this quote before. It's an Albert Einstein quote which state's insanity basically the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results doing the same thing over it over again and expecting a different result in my opinion that sums up Mike Tomlin probably the last five seasons he has done the same thing. Results haven't changed in other words. Let's be honest steeler fans we are we only gauge our success by winds in the Super Bowl getting to the play offs not good enough winning a playoff game not good enough. You gotta get to the show and you gotTa Win on the biggest stage I look at how he's handled is okay so let's let's go back and they say okay so we know that he needs to change but how any idiot can get on here and say might Tani's to change it takes a little bit more of an educated person to think okay well. How can you change? What is the resolution here? If this issue so for me I look at it and say okay from an XS and os standpoint. Mike Tomlin has his hand in every every aspect of the team. That's why of coordinators Keith Butler Randy Feet Ner Danny Smith. Those are the main coordinators in he is going to have to coach them up a little bit better because the team from a technical standpoint point oftentimes leaves a lot to be desired but I'm talking more about how he handles players mainly how he handles star players. I'm not suggesting that he should force Ben Rothlisberger to practice every single day because Ben Rothlisberger needs to stay healthy for this team to compete period but I hope I pray that he has learned his lesson from the lady on Bell Mess in the Antonio Brown mess and says I need to change some things. It concerns me when he didn't interview with right. I think it was Jeremy Fowler of E._S._P._N.. And he sat down and said you know about the drama in the locker room. I didn't think there was that much drama last year Erin. I thought the Locker Room was pretty calm last year. Come on coach. Don't paint us to be the idiots. Please don't do that because it's not gonna fly not in Pittsburgh not with a team was super bowl championships not with a fan base that his is frothing at the mouth to win their seventh especially after the Patriots tied the steelers last year by winning the Super Bowl. Don't tell us it was called. Be Honest. You're always honest. I missed all the time when you think about press conferences and maybe calling out players. You're honest when you're you're looking ahead to the New England patriots two years ago and not focus on the team and right in front of you <hes>. You're honest all the time yeah. Why aren't you honest in this situation? I liked his honesty earlier in the offseason when he said it was a cleansing when lady unbuilding Antonio Brown were gone good acknowledge it acknowledged in move on yet here we are. I don't think there. There was much of a problem last year. Come on coach. You can't be like this and expect to have anyone buy in to the fact that it's just not it just isn't GonNa Work Again Insanity Sanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result so what needs to happen. He needs to have a tougher stance with all of this players that doesn't mean he can't be a players coach. That doesn't mean that he's not able to be friendly with his players. It doesn't mean that he's not able to you know joke around with these guys. You can do all that stuff. When it comes down to it you think about lady on Bell Missing A WALK-THROUGH FOR THE playoff game in two thousand seventeen against the Jaguars in doesn't sit at all I get it you WanNa win the game but at the same time it's these little things that build up and build up and build up and what does it turn into this giant monstrosity that was Antonio Brown last last year and it exploded? You let Antonio Brown nod stay with the team in latrobe which I'm sure Ben Rothlisberger probably doesn't either the regardless you given the permission to not stay there. He's late for everything. <hes> he is a guy that's constantly apologizing others apologizing for tantrums on the sideline apologizing for things that he said eventually coached the apologies can't have the same magnitude and carry the same amount of weight they can't. I have five kids if my kid makes the same mistake every single day and always as odd Adam sorry. I'm sorry I'm sorry well guess what after a while. You're not sorry you know what you're doing and yet here we are Mike Tomlin is to set the tone from day one when the Pittsburgh steelers roll into camp on Thursday the tone is that that look this is a no nonsense organization from here on forward forward when we step onto this field practice field game service latrobe high school field doesn't matter were all business. You're here to do work. You'RE GONNA put in at work and if you don't there will be repercussions nations. These guys are professionals. You don't have to hammer them into the ground is about expectations. This is not like when Mike Tomlin was hired in two thousand and seven and he basically took a veteran team in ground them into a stump in a loss the Jaguars at home in the playoffs hines ward spoke openly about how he was so tough on them and training camp because he wanted to make an impression. I'm not suggesting that at all I'm suggesting that he goes out there and says you know what this has to change. Were not going to be able to do the same old stuff over and over again because what is that. It's insanity of always gonNA come back to that quote here for this episode doing the same thing over and over again and yet expecting expecting a different result yet Antonio Brown's gone leave you on bell's been gone for two years who cares but you know what now is the time where everyone myself included says he's got his locker room back. He's got his locker room back. So maybe you go to Ben Rothlisberger. Say Ben Look. I'm not gonNa tell you to do the show or not to your radio show but if you do that show you better keep your mouth shut when it comes to calling calling out players and you know what he has every right to say that even to a veteran like Ben Rothlisberger because you know why he's the head coach of the Pittsburgh steelers that's why he has every right to say that's a ban. He has every right to say to anyone on the team. ZIP IT UP ZIP it up. You know what everyone always criticizes Bill Belichick in that team up north as we call them for being so locked in and they're never saying anything guess what that it comes directly from the top. It is followed to a T. in that's that's how they do business in in my opinion I run a website that is you know we're looking for traffic. We're trying to write attractive articles that are going to get you to come to our site and read them. I would be fine fine not writing about this drama. That happens like Bud DuPrey in the comments. He made about lady on bell last year then. They raided his locker don't need to do it. Don't need to say it. Keep Your Mouth Shut Viz. These are some of the things that Tomlin needs is to start to curtail its. I think it stems back to Antonio. Brown's facebook live video during his post-game speech after the team beat the Kansas City chiefs in Kansas City in individual round of the playoffs that year. They're getting ready you to play the Patriots in Foxborough the A._F._C. Championship game. You're star wide receiver is more worried about his his image and how many people were on his facebook. Live feed fits word started but now as we're can end dole up to Mike Tomlin. Will he do it. I don't know I don't have a lot of faith in that. I like my talent. I don't want anyone to listen to this guy. He's just a tomboy Nader. I actually support Mike Tomlin. You can ask lands. You didn't ask anyone that I've gun shows with anyone that I've talked to. I actually like Mike Tomlin head coach but that doesn't mean he's perfect. It did Bill Kaur was a perfect Bucknell was imperfect. He's not perfect either but it's time for some change time to get at their time start. Start a new trend a new way of thinking in a way of acting for the Pittsburgh steelers because that stuff off the field that stuff in the locker room which was so calm quote unquote last year. I believe it bled onto the field. I believe it. Did you might disagree and you're entitled to your opinion. I think it did so Mike Tomlin. I know you're listening time for a change. Get those guys ready on Thursday. No nonsense sends all business expectations are sky high and you're not gonNA take anything but a Lombardi trophy. Hey I'm the editor in chief the verge host of the verge cast revamping the versus more morally coming out with episodes twice a week sometimes even a third bonus episode on Tuesdays and talked to influential people around the world of Tech like Mike Founder Bill Gates and other tech exactly founder of lime scooters the C._E._o.. 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It's time for a change with that said I do some people in the live chat right now on youtube and I know that it's not a normal day because lance normally doesn't do this this on Youtube but if you want to contribute to the show if you WANNA be a part of the show you can actually leave a question and I'll take a few minutes here and answer the questions and have a good some good talk about the steelers because because hey Thursday it's all there right there. Everyone's excited. I'm excited and oh you all out there. Listening watching are excited as well so you've you have some questions far away. Does it have to be about Mike. Tomlin can get that anything steelers related and if you want you don't have to but if you want you can use the super chat feature and what that is where it says you can chat publicly at steelers radio on the right. There's a small little money sign. You can hit that you can donate any amount of money to our program. It goes straight to the program mm-hmm and we appreciate that you don't have to use it but you can and if you do it'll be guaranteed that I answer your questions already vodka drinker who's a regular in the live chat for us on Youtube. He gave five dollars and fifty five cents. Thanks for putting it in a tip jar. He says maybe Tomlin just needs to win a challenge l._M._a.. Oh we all know what that means love. You guys honestly Mike Tomlin Yeah. He hasn't won a challenge in a long time. That's why they brought in Teruel Austin to help him with that. Hopefully it works. The sad thing is that even if Tomlin doesn't change anything unit Tomlin still challenging the same plays <hes> going about his business the same way <hes> it would matter it wouldn't matter at all because is everyone would assume that it's because Darrell Austin is telling him. Hey don't challenge this challenge. We'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes in terms of his challenges. Okay <hes> let's see here. Mark Davidson's is hey jeff thoughts on the top one hundred ratings for the steelers Cam at eighty eight and what it ninety seven. I didn't see Cam at eighty eight <hes> but I did see what he's ninety three actually <hes> I don't put much stock into those I do of watching this quips. Though those are awesome love love him because those clips are <hes> you get the players talking about each other in that's where he gets really honest opinions. <hes> on never forget it was the Cleveland Browns Guard. I believe there was talking about Cam Hayward's bull rush in how he just got flattened by Ed that makes for good TV leases fun to watch. I don't watch them live or anything like that but I catch them on twitter because they always put out the actual clips and I watch T J Watson really cool a lot of players talking about how well he seems to be going not necessarily beyond his brother J._J.. But he's at least creating his own path so there you go <hes> other questions steelers fans as Jeff. Do you know which sealer legends are going to be at the steelers family family fun fest <hes> not off the top of my head but I do know if you go to steelers dot com they did release a schedule of events leading up to <hes> the first game. I'm not sure of the players I actually I think they players were listed. Did they have a whole schedule for training camp each day. There's an open practice. There's a player that's there. I know Merrill Hod is going to be there. Charlie batch is going to be there one day. I'm not sure who's going to be there at the family fun fest but you can check that out on the steelers others dot com here we go looking through here. Hey Jeff. What do you think about connors production? This season compared to Jews for the two thousand nineteen season. <hes> connors production is going to be gauged in my opinion on one thing and one thing only his production is going to be based off of health. I firmly believe that if he can stay healthy that if he is able to play. Fool sixteen game schedule which has yet to do in his professional career. He will put up extremely good numbers. <hes> we do our thirty predictions thirty days wrapping that up tomorrow Wednesday. I did a prediction a couple of days ago about how I think James Conner could potentially have seventeen total touchdowns this year that would be four more than his thirteen last year but he only played in thirteen games last year so he averaged a touchdown a game he had twelve rushing and one receiving touchdown. I think that the Pittsburgh Pittsburgh steelers are good with James Carter and that offensive line is great juges a little different story. I could see I could see Juju struggling just a little bit. I could Z.. Juju his maybe his yardage going down but if his touchdowns went up he had seven I think last season then I think that would be tremendous tradeoff. I'm hoping fingers crossed that the Pittsburgh steelers offense is more more balanced not only from a run pass standpoint but also from a distribution standpoint in the passing game. They don't need to focus on just one player in Judy's versatile enough he played the slot he can play outside. He can play both X._Y._Z. All three positions and <hes> they can run a bunch formation him they can get him the ball. I want to say his stats as yardage goes down a little bit maybe twelve hundred yards as a fourteen that I do think he's touchdowns. Go Up and I'll take that trade off any day of the week. <hes> another question would be more dependable than Juju <hes> as tough. Do you usually his at least eight. Healthy and Bikaner is gonNA touch the ball a lot more. That's a give and take mad talent. Any news about you. Guys going to Campbell. Brian is out of town. He's currently in the woods literally in the woods with boy scouts and his son <hes> when he comes back which I believe will be this weekend. <hes> we will touch base Dave Brian. I and we will try to find a time date where we will hop in a minivan head to latrobe when we do. We'll make sure that we make that announcement ahead of time <hes> that way if anyone is there and wants to you I I don't know if people would ever want to meet us for me sometimes when I do these podcasts in Eddie's videos I do them thinking that maybe there's five people that watch in for those are my family members embers when in reality there's several thousand that listened and several thousand the watch and and we almost have three thousand subscribers on Youtube. I WANNA get to three thousand two thousand nine hundred thirty. Some I think right now I want to get to three thousand four week one of the steelers regular season <hes> so yeah. If you guys want to swing by and say hello and have a chat and talk about the steelers that'd be glad to. I'm not sure if that's something that people would want to do if you do. We will let you know for sure for sure <hes>. I'm afraid I would be a giant disappointment. You know like Oh my gosh. There's Jeff Dab just a regular guy. He knows that does a lot of work for the website <hes> so here we go. <hes> Varkey drinker says that he thinks Benny Snow would count compliment car. You know it's funny I did a I did have a radio spot with a radio station in Kentucky today and the radio station station host he asked me a lot of questions about two players is the two Kentucky wildcats on the steelers roster which if you if you should know if you don't know that that's obviously benny snail and bud debris in he has a lot about Benny Snell and the expectations for him and he will he play and obviously I said it depends on if connor stays healthy or not but ultimately I think that snow has a lot to prove his a lodge approve <hes> for instance. Every rookie running back is that in the reason I for the past four starting running backs if you include Jalen Samuels that makes us a star because he did start last year has struggled with one major aspect in that is pass protection even leave you on bell when he drafted didn't didn't start right away. He didn't play at a toe injury and he was a good pass protector but it still took him some time James Connor Struggle Jalen saying all struggled. I remember hearing reports last year him getting absolutely trucked in the backs on backers drill thrill smells going to have to prove the pass block that he can catch the ball out of the backfield and run the ball. We know he can run the ball but Kinney run in this pro style offense and things of that nature so I liked Snell so I said to the guy on the radio but at the same time I'm I'm not about to crown him with any type of third running back second runningback tag until I actually see him put on pads in the National Football League <hes> guarantees. How is it the coast? He is on the hot seat once and seat of the seventies the the second winningest coach. I never said Garin that he was <hes> on the hot seat ever and if you're late to the show you can go back and listen if you're listening. I never said that I just said that. He needs to change things. I said on our standard Christina show with Dave Scofield the other night that in fact I think that the Pittsburgh steelers will and should extensive and give him a new contract but at the same time I know a lot of people think that he would be considered on the hot seat. I'm not one. Of them I just think that he just needs to kind of get that team back. Get that team back that plays for each other not for themselves necessarily and <hes> I said earlier. He's got his locker room back so we'll see what happens <hes>. Let's see here either. Some of the questions mad says he'd be if people were there. They were definitely WanNa meet you guys. I'm not so sure about that. Mad Dave Dave Scofield's in live Jad. My Co host on a couple pushes is weak. He said Y'all be surprised how big I am. He is a very tall man very large man. How vertically challenged Brian is Brian? I read the same height. I think just different body builds here. Let's hear vodka drinker says if you're talking to Kentucky radio station it'd probably surprised bud is in balling out. They were Kinda surprised when I did say that bud duprey his underwhelmed his time in Pittsburgh that he's not you know he's not the guy that he was dreaded. People thought when they drafted him essentially he was kinda taken aback by that and I said look I mean T._J.. Wad has the same most acts in two years as bud depre- hasn't four think about that <hes>. I do think that there are some potential there but there's a lot of pressure on him. This year Okay Shield Ninety. One says ye put five dollars in the tip jar. We appreciate that he's been awhile since I've been on the Chad no question I just wanted to say hey hey shield what's up. Sir Hope you're doing well <hes> flip ass Tomlin and cold-linked on staying together. That's interesting in it is a lot of people not just Tom and Colbert but Alza Tomlin rothlisburger. There's a lot of people that believe that the steelers those will tolerate Tomlin until Rob's burgers done and it's a dad time when they'll bring a new coach 'cause he'll have a new philosophy. He won't have to worry about a veteran quarterback that has to kind of learn new things or anything like that and I could buy that absolutely could buy that. I you tell me but they struggle. They don't win the Super Bowl and the next three years. Ben Says you know what I'm done retiring hanging it up for good <hes> I could see them saying it's time for new coach coach you bring in a new coach who is going to be able to work with guys like Mason Rudolph or Joshua Dobbs Kinda give their own system in there. There was a team obviously like Jews shuster would probably still be on that roster <hes> James Connor all those guys so <hes> but you know linked Tomlin and Colbert I dunno I asked myself all the time is this team's struggles due to bad drafting bad free agent moves yet you can point to some bad free agent moves in the past years Morgan Burnett being the most recently dairy screen is one of the worst ever seen that still not all that's on Colbert. I I'm not hard on Colbert. I'll criticize him in certain areas <hes> no one draft wide receivers better in my opinion but at the same time no one one is worse at drafting quarterbacks so <hes> I could see those three that trio. Maybe being linked together a more ways of one. That's a really good point flip and crazy crazy. Chris puts a dollar ninety nine hundred the chip charges. I think we should now call bell Mr third-round <hes> hello listener. 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Would you trade a wide receiver tight end or trade for a pick and get a tight enough waivers the cut down I would trade <hes> a wide receiver but I'm not going to give away a wide receiver that is in my opinion someone that could be a contributor this year. So David I spoke about this on the standard is a standard this past week. He brought up a bold prediction stayed in the heating a wide receiver. We'll be traded could I._C._U.. I Rogers gain traded shore. Dr Ryan Switzer a little bit more of a stretch because he's been traded twice already in his career and that's kind of a red flag <hes> the Yoga Deonte Spencer. Maybe <hes> Trey Griffey the problem here. Is that these guys other N._F._l.. L. Teams understand the steelers roster in the steelers understand other teams rosters and so they look at those steelers roster and they see Juju Smith Schuster Dante moncrieff James Washington Ryan Switzer. Eli Raja's Deontay John's and their six day are mealy. 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That's not the case. I think it's going to be Bush in Williams. I see barren coming in for Roy Williams a lot of packages so keep that in mind in their primary sub package team defense anyways <hes> <hes> rank on who you want to see more of Rudolf Dobbs or hodges for me it's Rudolph one dobbs to hodges three but maybe this will depend and Joshua Dobbs or re Maga's Mason Rudolph. I be heart-broken but maybe Mason Rudolph could be considered trade. Fodder quarterback is a obviously it's a desired position in the national football league and Hodges. You just don't know what you have there. He had put up Great College. Statistics not necessarily at the highest level. Maybe he could be a number three. If you have to trades one way I could definitely see <hes> Rudolph one dobbs. Maybe even sliding down to three because kind of seen what dobbs can do. We've seen it. 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Steelers Post-Game: Steelers winning streak snapped after ugly performance

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Steelers Post-Game: Steelers winning streak snapped after ugly performance

"Pittsburgh steeler fans going on this is Jeff Hartmann editor behind the steel curtain dot com with you for another episode of the steelers postgame show and unlike the pass for are weeks. This is a depressing one. The steelers lay an egg literally figuratively every way you can possibly imagine twenty one to seven laws on Thursday night football to the Cleveland browns and moves directly to five and five. They're back at five hundred still not out of out of it. I don't think any stretch of the imagination. But boy with this is this was telling football game and a lot of ways of bringing Lance Williams my co host Lance. What were your knee jerk reactions to the loss on Thursday night? It was a tough one. This the game when you talked about in our last show about low expectations for Mason Rudolph. This is the game. We don't want this is the game that we're kind of scared of You know they get down. He has to press he has to make some plays. The offensive line is pretty inconsistent in terms of pass protection. He he turns the ball over. You know this was that ugly game that he was able to avoid over the last several weeks and it Kinda makes what you were saying. Hang in the last couple of shows resonate even more that. We've got to keep the expectations pretty low when it comes to Mason Rudolph in if he's just doing enough to not lose them games then he's doing a whole lot. Yeah and today tonight. Whenever you're listening to this was the lowest of the low for Mason Rudolph during his stint as the starting quarterback for the steelers? He was intercepted four times. I in some of them were just dreadful passes There's no excusing them. I know on twitter. Someone hit me up and said can't wait to hear you try right a backup Mason Rudolph after this and you can't you can't. There's there's no way you can that would be like In two seventeen rothlisberger through five picks against the Jaguars agw ours. You can't you can't defend anything. It's not my job to defend him. It's just one of those things that it was an awful game all around I thought that the the defense settled in eventually but it just there was no pop in this game and maybe just maybe this speaks a little bit of Thursday night. Football on general players aren't really ready for that game yet. The lack of preparation isn't there. I'm not excusing the loss. Because the steelers did not Deserve to win this at all but at the same time you gotta wonder if that plays a role ed before I forget Grayson just gave us nine dollars ninety nine cents and the tip Jerry System guys. It seems like every year we cannot escape a bloodbath unsportsmanlike. AFC North and the League needs to think twice about scheduling. Three division games in a row. Sheesh Grayson's referring to the end of the game When myles Garrett in Mason Rudolph and Matt filer Dave Decastro Markey's pouncey had a little meeting Lance let's talk about it right off the bat before we get into the nitty gritty and talk about numbers and the game itself. Everyone's going to be talking about this this for at least the next twenty four to forty eight hours first things first. How if you're the Commissioner Commissioner? You're laying down fines. You're laying down suspensions WHO's getting suspended WHO's not. How would you divvy that up? I think obviously absolutely Gary GonNa get suspended I think pounce he is going to get suspended unfairly. You know big up to Marquees pouncey he's definitely a guy you want Holding your back and hold down him into Castro that that's what you want in the dark alley. He wanted him to big it. Boys having your back but penalties absolutely gonNA get suspended as well for the punches and kicks and there was a guy I can't recall the player's number. They probably knew it on the live chat because it's playing in the background. I'm sure in both of our houses. Jeff and we just can't look at it but the defensive linemen that pushed Mason Rudolph in the back he five number sixty five over sixty five. He's GonNa get a suspicion where I think he was objected as well But I think of I think for some of the other players possibly in the game who got ejected delayed the hitting With the Johnson. Like some of those guys I think are going to pay a Are GonNa be there. Suspicious are going to be a little more heavy as well. If I'm the commissioner I would say myles Garrett gets no less than a five game suspension Asian He's had questionable. Plays not like Vaughn says perfect question does have a history of kind of pushing the envelope. Well I think he's been I think he's getting to significant fines this year. Either to I know too for sure it might be three. He got some significant fives finds from some hits. Did he took earlier this year. It might have been against Russell Wilson I believe but he took some. He's taking some shots beyond the whistle so this year and gotten too big fines. I think he's getting fine. It access a fifty thousand dollars a couple of times this year so with that couple with this action and he may be lucky to get five games so I would say minimum five. Wouldn't be shocked if the NFL wants to take a stand and say you know what we don't. One vaunt has perfect. You Point Zero in the league anymore and they lead vont has pisses away piss around. You know the League and get through different different suspensions. He came back and all this stuff. If they WANNA said of set the record straight days you're done for the year and any a in any postseason play if the browns were somehow able to make the playoffs. We'll you know what you know when you when you said that earlier before we jumped into the studio I was like maybe not but no no no no no think about it now and I think what's going to hurt him as well is the nature of how this game gap played The multiple steeler. We're players get knocked out for him with the helmet hits in this icing on the cake so to speak with that in just I think the league I I mean you had Deontay Johnson card off with blood coming out of his ear. I mean that's not that's not a good look on the marquee game on Thursday. Hey this is the one game all the eyes are on this and I don't think anybody is going to feel sorry for Garrett particularly with the earlier. Oh you're fine and he's got this year with the helmet. I I think you're right Jeff. I think he's going to get put on The commissioner's exempt list. And and at least till they figure it out he's GonNa sit idle but I don't think you'll I don't think we'll see miles geared back for the rest of the series now and I think pounds you will. I think pouncey should should is not the very word. He defended his teammate. I don't I don't say that he shouldn't have done that. But just the visual of him coming in punching kicking is at least going to get him one of it imagine But at the same time I don't think anyone else will probably I doubt that they. I doubt that defensive linemen eating gets a game that shove masonry from behind. Hope he'll he'll he'll get fine. I'm trying to think you'll get suspended Radio like that. You know this. This is not to cut you off but this is the type of thuggery that the NFL really wants to clean up and their corporate sponsors are not happy networks. They're not happy. The ratings are still nice for the networks because I mean this is what everybody is going to be talking about. ESPN IS GONNA love it and all that stuff but this is not a good look for the again and this is the type of stuff that they've want wanted to get out of the game for years you know. I mean we have a stomach for some of this. I mean we've seen some stuff I've never seen a football guy in a pro game. Swing a helmet and hit somebody. I've seen it in high school. I seen it in college. His well But never a pro game it he. It's going to be heavy handed and it should be the if you don't then then you're just gonNA allow players to believe that this is somewhat acceptable. I give miles gary over to get two games so he would miss that that game with the steelers in two weeks and then get a play again. That's not driving him any point and I think we're a lot of people felt that a player like perfect was just kind of skirting the the law all the time. But here's a kyle. Smith gave us twenty bucks in the tip jar which is really generous. But I can't say I agree with the comment. I'll read it. Here is his first off big Fan fan second. He's talking about when the steelers play the browns. Next time he said I want the people head hunting he said I want people you know lying. Hang on the field in two weeks. BENGALS BUSH LEAGUE RE Times Five. I WANNA see careers ended. I'm not going that far. It was bad it was a bad look for the league. It was battle battle around and I I think that's not so tough. The emotion of it gets in the way but he put to so his point. Though in this in this in you know really reinforces what you said earlier about him missing the season because because of that potentially happening in Pittsburgh in it getting really ugly and you know it got ugly in the stands to you know he got ugly in a stance to do as well with the potential of this getting really really really really ugly in Pittsburgh and for the league trying to avoid what happened between the steelers and the bengals and the bungles. Excuse me it's late They are really going to be heavy handed on Myles Myles Garrett and they are going to send directives to both teams that if this gets out of hand quick actions quick fines. They're gonNA GONNA be on top of this and they're going to handle what he was saying to prevent that heavy fines and suspensions any unfortunate thing for myles Garrett was was he was having a whale of a ball game but when he helped Mason Rudolph down a little bit longer you know it kind of piqued my interest like he's Callo Kinda rubbing this in because he sat down he didn't let them up. He kind of drove him into the ground. And I was like He's putting a little hot sauce on his tackle. Aw and Mason. Rudolph felt the same way like do the game is over. Do like what are you doing this Bushley and these are big guys. It's emotional. They just lost the other team one and you know I'm I'm almost surprised. It didn't get worse. I well there was only eight seconds. Left aver would've I think absolutely would've riddle me this. Can you imagine this with Joe. He order on the sidelights. NOPE or James Harrison evil or James Ayers. If deebo in Joey were on the sidelines we're talking pier six brawl. All they might still be fighting. It's I it said it was so weird I was watching the game and I'm literally almost falling asleep. I believe it was such a bad football game from start to finish every way possible and then all of a sudden this happens and you know I I get Mason Rudolph reaction because you've you've thrown four interceptions. You're you're pissed at yourself for basically throwing a game away and I don't even know if miles geared had to take him to the ground after he ever to the football but he did Mike you said he holds them down a little bit. He's basically get off man and then all of a sudden he's he's being helmets being ripped off his head. This another bad look to this. Is everyone saw the very public display in regards of Rudolph's concussion against the Ravens evens a week four and were absurd week five and so with that. Now you have another player's swinging helmet at a helmet Louis player. That's already hardy at concussion this year it just compounds everything starts to snowball. Let me add the last element because this resonates in your household sold all of the women in the country that are upset that Pretty Mason get hit in. All of the women in the country are upset that the pretty guy got hit in the head with a hell but they were all yellow it. Please keep your helmet son. You're too pretty. Take it off voluntarily. Yes yes or or put it back on. Please let us not not that led to that pretty face get hit and the thing about this a you know maybe we can tilt it back towards the game is this. This is going to hide it abysmal performance by him. You know people are going to counter forget. He was awful that that offense was awful awful. Now he wasn't helped out by deontay Johnson. Juju Smith Schuster get knocked out but and connor getting hurt again and AH maybe we can start to close the book on Connor as that feature back as his his level of door ability keeps cropping up as an issue. But you know for Mason Rudolph this is going to hide and Kinda mass that he flat out stunk tonight. There's no other way around before we get to that vodka-drinking could you give us five dollars and a tip jar. He said if I'm not mistaken that's assault with a weapon and that's something that Adam schefter actually tweeted out recently that he's that's assault and so yeah. I mean I would have to come down to charges being pressed and things of that nature but Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk Irk and we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast your avengers of college football podcast. It says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean. Is this all already spoiled. Every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling. Too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot ascott fights announcers fleeing the early. And unfashionable. Pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. or in your favorite podcast APP. Give the game. Let's get to the game that there's plenty to talk about. And and the funny thing is is he's me I was watching Mason. Rudolph his interception dad was intended for Bans McDonald Donald was intercepted by the linebacker that was seemingly everywhere. What was his name? I can't remember his name I should. They said it over and I've watched him. When you saw release the football I noticed something? He's trying to place the ball. Yeah he's ripping it no and that's that's it. He doesn't throw it he doesn't throw. Well it's because he's not ripping it and that means he doesn't trust his accuracy when he does rip it and I I I don't know I'm trying to think back to ben early in his career. I can't remember related to look at film that anyone that has a is ever coached or played a sport. That involves throwing object whether it's Lacrosse whether it's baseball football obviously with with the quarterback position when you're having a a place the ball in my opinion bad things happen because I'll give you an allergy test. Velocity off the ball. I'll give you an analogy. They don't want uh when you're instructing you know your baseball guy. You don't tell pitchers to aim you tell pitchers that throw trucker mechanics Doda baseball and if your mechanics antics are set out in solid. The ball will go where your mechanics tells to go. But you can't aim once you start aiming your mechanics breakdown in the ball definitely does not I go where you intended to go. Throw the ball trust it and rip it and I think some of it is he. He's not confident in what he's seeing as well. Oh so there's some hesitancy as well he's not reading it clearly consistently and and so when you're not doing that you're definitely not going to rip it. But unfortunately in some cases he's throwing it way too hard on screens. Yeah well in. The machines dreaded slant that he just took his head off the ball and they'd weeds and I M and I think maybe he's had he's had a lot of receivers dropped passes. I wonder if there's there's even a point where he's thinking. Maybe I can't really drive the ball into this receiver because I'm not sure if he's in a catch it But you know we could spend an entire episode on how poorly Mason Rudolph played and it was bad. It was every bit as bad as at land said on our show last night. That I'm soft on quarterbacks. I can't be soft on him this time. Because there's no way to even even if he were the biggest Mason Rudolph apologist and I. I do not feel that I am that. I think he's a good quarterback. I think he has good potential but he played like pure dog poop tonight and and so there were others that were joining him. Trust me but before we get to that we have a lot of people in the live chat. I WanNa just mention that the best way people can help us is hitting the like button and subscribing to the channel we give you a show a day no matter what during the season check us out like this video and by all means subscribe griped channel. We seriously appreciate the support. So lands other than Rudolph. I the next person that comes to mind in terms of playing really really bad was mark. Baron I thought Mark Barron looked inept maybe as an APP disease looked all season. And that's saying something because I like. He's look that way on multiple eligible occasions. Does I don't know he gets caught. In the wash margin the run game and in in coverage he turns into bi-liability. I'd rather see Vince. Williams and Devin Bush together personally the technique that he displayed in the end zone it. It's amazing that that pass was completed for the touchdown because maybe his eyes eyes were closed and he was trying to use the force and locate the ball that way but it was confusing as to how that pass was completed You know I had a guy in a live chat or not in the live chat or one of the comments from the last show about me saying that Joe Haden was was the candy bar in and he might have been right. I mean but I try to amend statement and say to Joe Haden. Was the fruit. Chew but you know I'm GonNa you know. Joe Haden may not be the fruit true the actual candy bar the fruit or fruit chewing. The defense may be marked bearing mark. Barron I is is is not. He's definitely I wouldn't say he's a weak link but he's somebody that I think teams feel like they can get after in coverage. Yeah they bid you Casey. We'll talk with baron. He was bad. I've of the offensive line was awful. How bad so? How bad is it now that on third ones with Mazen Rudolph at quarterback mind you steelers are going empty? They're not even having a running back in the backfield. You know why they can't get your you get no push what's sixteen fifty eight. That's worse third down offense in the NFL. Sixteen Gina Fifty eight for three point six yards per carry the. That's why they're doing it in. We've talked about the inconsistency with this running game throughout the year we talked about how bad it was last week. Would I think they averaged. Maybe one one point six one point five against the rams what happens ends is when you win. You know we say on initial we always say winning correct you know you move for some of the obvious warts that we we point out on the show that we're taking the task for when they win when prop when a pop up I mean I don't WanNa look like you know week told you so but these wars have been here and you know they've not run the ball well consistently and this was a night where they I needed to. I mean there's no way in a world of Mason. Rudolph should have forty four pass attempts and at the running game only they only run it sixteen times. I mean. That's that's ridiculous that is not a recipe for consistent winning. I mean Mason. Rudolph had a thirty six point three quarterback back rating. They chose to throw it forty four times. Why because the running game was terrible? And you're right about the offensive line. They got whooped tonight. You know they got they got whooped tonight. That's the only thing that if you're going to try Dr say anything about Mason. Rudolph stays that. He had someone in his face a lot. I'M NOT GONNA say every time. He dropped back but it felt like a lot a lot a lot that he was every demi those someone's bearing down on he had hit hit a bunch tonight so Let's see here if we had a couple of live chats here. I don't WanNA forget them. Anthony says Duller on the I put the dollar tip jar appreciated as Mark Baron has been a Risi Cup and that's referred to the snickers that Land suggested and then brewery says why are they keep bearing in denied. Do they not see it. I don't know I I don't know sidebar. Jeff so how do you pronounce it you say receives Cub yes or yeah. Somebody told Oh me in the west coast that people in the West Coast say recess cups but I always thought it was received cups. I mean it makes sense that we would say it. I mean wheeling and Pittsburgh or what hour and a half away so I'd say forty five minutes if you have certain way yeah so yeah so reecey cups. I never knew recess cups. Have the I would always laugh at myself as a kid when you get Risi reseize pieces. His we received tease. Yeah reecey species exactly West big and so you know somebody said to my daughter when they heard me say reese's cups. They said he must be from back east as recital. Yeah big shout out here we you go. Anthony wheeling native. I've proud yes proud. I have a question for you and this is going to be a challenging question. Are you ready to go. Oh I every every every day after the game I do winners and losers call them for the binding soaker dot com. I'm website give me a winner. I have a long list of losers the Dow was easy. Give me someone on the steelers or even their coaching staff. You could say was a winner after week. Eleven loss to the browns almost say TJ. What why play pretty? Well I mean loss contain a couple times but they lost contain a bit and You know we were pretty. We work on our numbers And I think Tomlin was right when he said that the biggest issue and I I would have never guessed at the steelers. They came out with just one sec but them losing contained in terms of how they were rushing was was critical to the browns success. But I would say T. J. Watt. I think bud to pre didn't play badly as well I I thought the front played pretty well. Especially how they responded to Chubb in the run game they they did a pretty good job of stuff in that they didn't play terribly. They got hit with a couple of it plays but you know they were trying to hold water. I mean it was. The offense wasn't doing anything I mean. And we always you know go through the game booking looking. I'm trying to plant some of the numbers you know as I make my comments but when you're third down efficiency you're to eleven and on fourth down. You're only three now. They got wanted. Nay The quarterback sneak was that fourth third third okay so they were two of eleven on third down zero of uh-huh of three zero three zero percent obviously on fourth down. So I mean that's two of fourteen the star good enough so I don't know how good you could play light when your offense can't convert third or fourth downs. Are you a netflix person. Are You more into Hulu. You got that. Hbo Now now thinking about that whole apple TV plus Disney plus peacock showtime CBS. It never ends so today. Explained inboxes Daily News podcast. We're going to talk to vox critic at Large Emily Vander Wharf about the coming streaming wars and. Emily is going to talk about how it's an apocalypse how this might be the end of her favourite medium television and how the monocultures basically dead but also she will reveal uh-huh she thinks will win the stream wars and also she will talk about the great shows that might come out of the streaming wars and also. She'll criticize undersize. Some of the lesser shows that have come out of the streaming wars. You will know everything you need to know. You'll know which service you should be subscribing to and which ones you should skip and you'll know if you'll ever have time to do anything else in your life other than watch TV ever again. Check out today. Explained wherever you listen to your podcasts. You can find our episode on the streaming wars right now. Okay he said. Why'd I know a lot? The people in the live chat or Saint Jordan Barry Jordan Berry bobbled a snap on the Field Goal Oslo missile that eliminates in from the running in my opinion. And when you're going to get yours. Here's a stretch. Something were saying or I should say myles Garrett is lawyer should be on the winners list. Here's a good. Here's you agree with this and I'll put this on there for steelers frank. Put the savvy said. The Nation needed this loss. Back Down to Earth. You think. That's true no I. I think the nation needed another bad win or another ugly style point. You know no style win. I mean that's what the nation needs need. You need wins. There's no moral losses or like none of that matters right. You just need wins. You need to go to clear. They needed to go to Cleveland. If find a way to win I mean I mean that. That's what they needed. Let me let me give you a Let me give you a number guest. This number Jeff. The average game per pass play the what the average gain per pass play in this game by the steelers the other say four point seven three point seven. Oh wow I was being aggressive. Yes you were yes you were three point seven. That's awful. That's awful that so bad jeff. That that's the same average that they their the yards per carry in the rush. Get in a running game today. That's how bad that is when when you're when you're average gain passing. The ball is the same as rushing. It was a bad game and this was a bad one. So roughhouse boxing. TV five dollars and a tip jars. I'm not saying duck in. But the one analyst about duck as he navigates pocket senses pressured pretty well better than Rudolf. He does do that better and Rudolf. Let me ask that guy again. Let me he says. The last guy was roughhouse. Boxing is that what it. WHO's your number one pound for pound fighter in the world respond in the live chat? I just want to hear his answer. Okay so let me ask you this. I I thought the defense settled in. They started making plays and they were getting pressure. They stopped run better than I thought they could. Let's talk about the offense. There was some Austin's okay. Where do you even start? I'm not say what needs to change the guy. I'm not saying that I'm not saying like well. Let's overhaul everything. Where where do you start? If you're Randy Feeder or Mike Tomlin rivers taken over for that offense moving forward. Where do you start to get A? They have to establish the running game. They have to give it a semblance of a running game. If you have Mason Rudolph throwing growing forty times in a game to win. It's not going to work consistently they have to run the football. They have to figure out runs that they can execute well with the guys it they have running. They have to take pressure off of this kid. I mean the kid is I mean another eleven third down attempts I think the previous game it might have been sixteen the game before that was fifteen. I mean all these games where he's putting position to where you have you know. Twelve plus third down attempts. I mean that's just too much pressure. They've got to be able to run the football in this display. This this play total imbalance has to shift. It has to be more tilted to the run game name unless passing. You know him throwing it thirty five times. Plus I mean bedhead is difficulty doing that consistently let alone a Mason Mason Rudolph. They've got to get this running game right they have to. I guess that's where you start. But they don't even trust this team to get converted third and one that's to my point they gotta get it right. I mean if you can't run it on third and one you've got a guy that's essentially a rookie trying to convert third in ones. Because you have no faith in running game that tells as you everything. They've got to get this right. This is the Pittsburgh steelers. They need to be able to run the football. This is black and gold. I'm AH saying you go back to rocky bleier Franco Harris or berry foster but or jerome bed is but man you got to be able to convert in short yardage situations with the running game when you get such inexperienced quarterback yes definitely a tough one to swallow and honestly honestly if you were to ask me that question I jeff would you do. I don't even know I honestly if I'm ready feed and I'd be like sitting back in my office office and we can't. We can't get a yard. We can't even gain a yard when the other team does. We're going to run it. We know we're going to run it you should. It'd be able to gain a yard with three pro bowlers and they can't gain a yard. It's happened over and over again. They can't get in a yard foy villain. The waiver was who he was getting murdered but dealing with Garrett may GARRETTA's load but he was is getting murdered all game he was and he lifted the gay. He looked like he lifted him up like a refrigerator in pushed it into a front front door. No he actually looked like a guy. Lifted up a refrigerator. Put It on one of those moving sleds that have the wheels and he just pushed vilvorde. Ross floor absolutely so okay. Here we go. Kevin Johnson puts I'm sorry Johnston puts one dollars ninety nine in says we must still be believers in. He's referring to my shirt I think this team can still rebound rebound from this. You know I don't think this is the end of the world. It was a bad spot for the steelers. A lot of ways got to own. Oh and what nine team or a team. That's might be only ten would have rookie quarterback on the road next week on the road. I mean go beat go beat the bengals up and then get ready for revenge against Cleveland. The following yeah. You go into games in a row plain and simple so Johnny gave us two dollars a tip. Jar WanNA put his name up there. We appreciate that as always and you gotta you gotta question Johnny. This johnny have a question. No nothing senior slim says what's going to be the next lucky shirt. I don't know I might go back to the jerseys. Might I try to find a Jersey on. No No. No no what I need you to create a one of one shirt HASHTAG. Just take it. I don't know I've got a lot of. I've got a lot of t-shirts so often find when I think works. If you guys don't know what I'm referring to you gotta give back and watch that show. That was what Tuesday st at a Tuesday steelers preview. You could fast fast forward to the end. The last we went for about an hour. I've listened from about forty five minutes on and you'll hear some very interesting comments and rance from Mr Brian. Anthony Davis would put it war. How `bout a Hashtag touchdowns Oh could be a that? That's a money maker yeah. Gold asked home get gold touchdown zone black background. I'm for that one. So all right folks well. This was an ugly one and we talked a lot about a lot of stuff that had nothing to do with the game. But that's what everyone's GonNa Gonna be talking about so don't want to spend too much time on this land. You're going to be back tomorrow night with the I said it and then I need it. I need helplessness. I need help. Somebody in the live chat chat. Give me a topic. I want my topic to be. Yeah I said it penalty. Should he kicked them like four or five more times. But I can't make compiler hear. Are you elaborate a little bit more on how the running game is where Dacia start. That's what I'd light here. But that's just me roughhouse boxing for five bucks anyone to CD's his answer to your question. Best Pound for pound boxer deontay wilder. Oh that's that's a good take. I didn't think that he would say deontay water. I think it's eating away. Bantamweight from Japan The Monster I think he's the a number one pound for pound fighter in the world. Just one debenham wait Tournament of champions one Mohammed Ali trophy. So I think it's I think in a way but wow there's a good choice entertaining guy. He might be the hardest one punch heavyweight puncher his right hand might be the best one punch aged knockout shot in history boxing. I mean if you get hit with your out nobody can take that shack our guest a couple people that think very good idea for your. Yeah I said it this one is the I said it my pick jinx the steelers West says says it he agrees with me on how to fix the offense as what you'd like to see go after Hello Listener I'm Sean. Rama's firm host of today explained. 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Steelers Burning Question: What is the Steelers' threat level heading into the Ravens game?

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Steelers Burning Question: What is the Steelers' threat level heading into the Ravens game?

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan to the steelers burning question brought to you by behind the still curtain dot com the Pittsburgh steelers are one in three going going into this week's pivotal game pivotal week five matchup against archrival from the AFC North Those Baltimore Ravens and in my mind one of the best rivalries in not only the national football league but all sports. I think this is just a fantastic robbery. It's getting pretty close to twenty five years now. If you're officially going account when the Baltimore Ravens it came into existence officially after moving from Cleveland in September of Nineteen Ninety six what it was I believe believe at the time. Vinny Testaverde was the very first quarterback that the steelers ever faced as taste of taking on the Baltimore Ravens so that being said I welcome you. This is the burning question. This is a departure for me. Usually I'm here with Tony Daffy Jeffy O- on the steeler hangover on Mondays or I'm here with Jeff Hartmann or Dave Scofield of behind the curtain the editor and deputy editor as well and we do the preview on Thursday night. I can be seen from time to time time anywhere else and check out all of our other podcasts. We have so many Lance Williams. I'M NOT GONNA make up a a catchy name for Lance. I believe he renamed me. Brian B. Davis. I don't know whether that's because of the fiftieth anniversary of the Brady Bunch or maybe I'm just be talent. Which I'm we're like C. Z. minus talent but I'm cool with that but lance also has a few podcasts as well. You can kick about here so many things to check out on on the network of behind the curtain and glad to hear from you so we're. GonNa Start off with the burning question of the week and for me. It's it's not no longer. It's can the steelers go ahead and you can. They sustain the Mo Jo after the win. You know I kind kinda think they can sustain the Mojo. It's just you know the level of talent that they played being Cincinnati Bengals who our own four team and have a line that is just a very penetrable but the steelers did look like they did turn a corner on defense events as well. You WanNa see what is going to happen with Mason Rudolph if they take the reins off a little bit let him a test that live arm that he has that would be the big thing so the question is at one in three and officially one game back in the division and what is the official threat level for the Pittsburgh steelers going into this game so like I said just before if they go ahead and win this game they're going to be sitting at two and three and that's that's nothing that you jump up and down about but if there are two and three they have a possibility after the Monday night game to be tied for the division lead and actually at that point with the division record with the they would probably be excuse me not probably they would be tops in that division at that time if Cleveland would fall to a San Francisco forty nine or team team that is not only three and no but playing at home where they are a lot tougher so that would be a great Monday night football matchup but that does not matter the only thing that matters matters for me and for many of steeler nation and especially Mike Tomlin and the players on that roster just this. It's the Baltimore Game and Baltimore Tomorrow. Only now ray Lewis coming to town not sizzle. It's No ed read. You're not seeing that you're seeing a new incarnation and just the fact that they're wearing white black and purple kind of means that the hatred is still there that was brought up this week as well by Baltimore the players about the the rivalry but you know what it's not just a one of hatred. It's one of respect to these players players respect each other greatly and I think that's something that you can see when they play but the rivalry so deep that the hatred exists exists no matter who's on the field so this is the first time in ages I would actually say this is the first time since two thousand ten that that you will not see Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco on the field as well so that's something really interesting so what what is the threat level so if we look at the the Homeland Security Advisory we can start at the bottom green flow of course Blue Louis guarded yellow is elevated oranges. High and red is severe now. We're coming off a situation where they I did get a win there off the snide finally and they're they seem to be playing better with a little bit of innovation but before they brought out that innovation one thing that I I noticed was they weren't running the ball to well at all in a traditional backfield. It was less James Connor and more or of the the offensive line not creating any openings for that team so that's something that I found really disconcerting so what I'm asking is. Where are we as a threat level? My answer to that is probably that I'm not GonNa go as far as say read and severe but I'm thinking it's orange. It's a very high threat level because if you lose this game to Baltimore then they are the top of the division at this point they are going to be three and two where they would be at and Pittsburgh would be at one in four four and not just two games behind but you're also behind in that tiebreaker as well at that certain point so that's almost three games behind and at week five. Nothing's insurmountable but that's pretty tough so you've really got to get this win. I'm not saying that it is going to end their season but it's going to severely cripple that season now. We're seeing we're seeing different. Colors show up PA.. Some people were saying blue so the thing that at this point that it's not as big of a deal but for me you know you're looking at a situation here where you really can't afford a slip way behind. If this was a situation that they were too into going going into this game I would feel a whole heck of a lot better now. We've seen it in the past. We have seen a Pittsburgh steeler team at one three go to the play offs and that was two thousand two. That was a that was the situation when you didn't have your regular starter but Tommy Maddox came in in week week three at rescued the team from an Owen three record and the next week they lost in New Orleans than after that cut fire. It was the magical season for a Tommy Gun. two thousand and two team is a really fun team. They lost after winning. The Wildcard are game against Cleveland and then lost in a very questionable way in overtime against the Tennessee Titans and I'm trying to remember his name and I'm going to say rob baroness. Maybe was at robberies that was the was the kicker at the time for for Tennessee. I might be wrong on that that something I probably should have checked beforehand but actually just popped in my head so that's why I'm bringing it up but he did a little bit of flop wouldn't Dwayne Washington came and trying to a block that kick they had a chance to go ahead and kick again in next thing you know they were on their way to the AFC championship game where they would ultimately lose the raiders but it's very special special year nonetheless. We've also seen situations where the steelers have gone. Owen four and I'm barely barely missed the playoffs and that was most recently as of the two thousand thirteen season when they lost in London to the Minnesota Vikings to fall down to Owen four live you on bell's rookie year and Dave Scofield just helped me out here and it's Joe Nedney and that's really correct. That is is correct in fact. I believe Verona's rubber onus might be the the late son-in-law of Terry Bradshaw Shaw who passed away a few years ago I believe I believe that was a car accident but if I'm not mistaken I think that was yes. I know he was a Tennessee Titan kicker and I believe rawness was related to Bradshaw Mary one of his daughters but I digress yeah I'm starting to think of it really is Joe Nedney at this point but what I'm talking about here is it's possible could be this far down we even saw it just a few years ago in two thousand sixteen when they reached the AFC championship game they were at four and five with seven games to go after dropping that heartbreaker breaker to the Dallas cowboys and I remember being on the steelers hangover at the time was hosted by Jeff Hartmann and I was new to podcasting at the time and I was on there with them and we still we were we were teetering but we weren't ready to give up on that team yet so it's it's really a situation where no-one saying give up on this team and no one saying that the win against the Cincinnati Bengals was not you know L. Paramount. I mean it was huge but I still and I'm still going to ascertain that you really can't go ahead. Ed and put a label on this team until you see really what happens against a team like the Baltimore Ravens. They are a lot stronger than Cincinnati now now. There are some naysayers say hey look you know I mean Baltimore's not as good as you think I disagree. I think Baltimore is a very dangerous team. Lamar Jackson if he's on he will murder you. He is that good when he is on but he also has the chance to get rattled and to fall apart and the receiving core you know you of Miles Boykin on the team of Willie snead you have Hollywood Brown marquees Hollywood Brown. Who was their first round draft. Pick this year but you know for me. I just don't think that's that's really a team. That just puts you know that ultimate fear into you so as far as the receiving core what I really am concerned with and something that it's so much better is against the run and that was last week where they really held down Joe. Mixing and mixing really couldn't get anything going. you have a situation where you've got work. Ingram who is going about six yards a carry at this point and it's over six yards a carry very low margin accidentally phenomenal with his legs as well so you you have that threat these going to pass the threat that he's going to run it but the nice thing though if you look back and I know I'm teetering but I'm trying to. I'm trying to bring this all out you have experienced against who I think is one of the best threats in the league and that's still Russell Wilson who I think is having a fantastic year so far if you saw what he did the other night in the Thursday night game against the rams. I think he's having a phenomenal year. LE- let that guy get free. He kills you in the against against the steelers and in week two they were shadowing shadowing they were doing. They were containing him for the most part but there is a time. There's a couple both times where he just he'd shredded and and that was on a lot of third down and that's something you'd be you can't you can't get to have situation when your third and long and third and fifteen internal we saw against San Francisco and and third and forever I think it was like third and Sankey against Seattle and I but defense has greatly improved and and it's basically big cause of you now have make offense Patrick in there. You have a Devon Bush who's in that came but he's able to sideline he as speed. Maybe shadow of quarterback running quarterback like that as well so you know there's there's there's some situations that you really have a much better defense than you had two three weeks ago. Kwan Chapin brings up in the live chat that you know we didn't have make a fence Patrick back in that game and when you think about the Cincinnati game you did hear Mingka's name that much and you didn't hear Terrell Edmonds name that much and for me that's fantastic because you don't really want to hear the names of the secondary lesser intercepting a pass and they neutralized some pretty good wide receivers for money. I think Taylor Boy Tyler Boyd and I think John Ross the third are good receivers. John Ross is really coming on and and they didn't have to face a guy like it's fantastic. They didn't have to face a guy like AJ green but the corners Steven Nelson Joe Haden even look look man number twenty eight Mike Helton. He was really really standing out as well so that defense seems a little more solidified so that's that's something that I need to that. I'm feeling a lot better. A there. Are Some people saying that you know this is still an average football team and this is an average football team right now but we've seen average football teams start off poorly and go ahead and go all the way to the playoffs and even further this episode is brought to you by Cox TV from Cox. You can find all your favorites all in one in place. The Youtube Bet El what about that net flicker thing Netflix and although superhero movies to her has all the latest titles on demand. Oh my grandkids love that big green guy. I prefer the one with the hammer myself. Okay I think we're done here now. Get all your favorite apps shows and movies right on contour. TV from Cox you know it has been brought up on live chat as well that the dolphins had fitzpatrick Michael Tool brings that up and brown toasted them but yeah that's a different situation. He had nobody around him as well. He was playing playing four different positions in that game to the steelers are a lot better than the Miami Dolphins especially especially on defense team on the rise but what is the most important thing for the steelers as well and when you look at the fact that the defense seems to be coming together they need to have a plan and they obviously have a plan because they're thinking about it and what a lot of people don't give credit for on defense is the fact that Mike Tomlin is taking this game the game and he brought a guy in like Christian believers from South Dakota and he was with he was with the Dallas cowboys in training camp. He is a very mobile running quarterback order back in the mold. When I say the mold he's doesn't have the talent of a guy like like Lamar Jackson but he's able to be on that scout team this week and on the practice squad for them to be able to prepare so that's that's something that that they're looking at and that's something that you know they have a clan on defense and that's what we've asked for all along on offense and defense. We just need to have a plan so I would would love to see it. WHAT IS THE PLAN GONNA BE. I don't WanNa know what because I don't want to believe in it but I have a feeling it's going to be a lot of shadowing and they're gonNA try to do whatever they can to go ahead and take away that running game takeaway Ingram Takeaway Lamar Jackson Zain but also there's one more guy that I wanNA bring up on this team that you might not even know who he is but it's a two way player named Patrick Ricard. He's he is. I believe number forty two if I'm not mistaken. He's a fullback any also plays on the defensive line this guy. I'm telling you this guy. I is dangerous because you know in short yardage situations he could go ahead and take the rock and move ahead for a first down but he opens up a lot of holes for these guys guys and on defense he clubs a lot of things up and he's able to get to the runner so very good double threat there too in Patrick Ricard's so that's a guy you want to look out for tomorrow if you're not that familiar with them so you know that's what has to be done on defense but offense. That's the thing this is. This is where the plan is going to be really interesting. You know a lot of people the fear is that if they just go into a situation when they're they're just relying on the wildcat like crazy that they're not going to be able to thrive. Look what a lot of people don't realize is this team only ran that wildcat seven times only seven times from that formation and the Cincinnati game. I know no it seemed like a whole lot more but they didn't do it just seven times so they didn't rely on it the whole game. They need to bring the wildcat head back. Do not put it on the shelf but also don't get yourself into a position where they're going to be able to sniff it out because good coaches which is can do that. I mean you're not going to be able to put stuff on tape for a guy like bill belichick really you're not gonna be able to put stuff on tape for a guy like Martindale and not John. Harbaugh are Bob because these guys the they're already preparing for it. I mean the minute they saw it. In fact I'm sure they saw in the first second quarter that game and they were already working working something up. That's that's what this team does. But if you execute it well you mix it in and you go ahead and you get a little little more deeper on those balls you throw deep to a guy like deontay. Johnson who can stretch the field. Johnny Houghton can stretch the field. You know you you have you have to do stuff like that. You also James Washington who you really need to get back into play as well and we still don't know how how much Juju Smith Schuster is going to play in this game. He's the guy that really needs to carry this team as as wide receivers go but the problem is that toes been bugging him just since the beginning of the year it's it's bugging him a whole lot more and so you might not see him so we'll see see how well these guys can step up these young guys on offense especially the wide receiving weapons and you know you're not gonna like this this but you might see some. Dante Moncrieff in this game as well and I know there are collective good griefs going on throughout all of it land when I say something like that but you know what what it's brought up. I getting bet with bow. KRIEF is a good player. He liked to see anyone. Catch balls messed up. Fingers is what both says. Maybe moncrieff could could have a game get get a chance to get in there and show off what he can do because he has been written off after two games so there might be a possibility that you're going to see him. If you can't go johnny Houghton cream mentions the Johnny Houghton in isn't reliable but he does strikes the field a little bit and you know I. I made a comment about that. The other night and either Jeffer- Dave brought it up that hey at at least they're they're throwing it out there trying to stretch the defense a little bit and if it works it works if the flag and they did get a flag but it just I went against the wrong guy at that point another thing to bring up as far as weapons for for Moncrieff on KRIEF. Excuse me excuse me for Mason Rudolph would be somebody like Nick van and if he's healthy number eighty nine Vance McDonald my guy the animal if he's healthy and you have two tight end sets that can be very dangerous because they could be very tough to deal with so what is going to be the plan on offense. I think if we're looking at the number one priority is to go ahead and get the run going. you really just really have to go ahead and hope that those those big guys that's upfront could open up some holes so you're not resorting to the wildcat as much in. Oh you're still gonNA use it but he's still need to move the chains in that traditional no way so that's that's something that you're GonNa have to do those guys have to heal and when I say I'm not saying that they're unhealthy the just need a he'll as a the unit and placed so much better team is going to have any chance of advancing and it's GonNa be a strength so that's the big thing so the other burning question we talked about the threat level and I we were all across the board on it actually didn't get any reds but the other burning question would be at this point Mason Rudolph. Look I think the fan base trust this guy. I actually think the organization trust this guy but they're bringing them alone so so slowly at this point and they're they gotta get to the point where they can go ahead and your test that defense go ahead ahead and throw that ball deep to soften things up so defensive aren't bringing up in the box. That's very important so if he could go ahead and do that that get some of these guys open do that early. It's GonNa make his life a whole lot easier. Hey I'll take twenty four for twenty eight all day long but it's not gonNA work against. It's Baltimore as well as it's going to do against as it's GonNa work against a Cincinnati team now. Baltimore's defense is not not nearly as bad as the Cincinnati bengals but they're not a top ten unit like we've seen in so many so many times times before out of what we're so used to Baltimore year after year just being a dominant unit and that's something that at this point they're not a dominant unit it so you've gotta see what Mason can do to go ahead and spread things out on these guys and to keep that make make them tired control the ball make that a tire team and that's something they were able to do the other night against Cincinnati if they can continue to do that and like like kind of flip the script a lot of people do that. The steelers make that defense tired. I think that'd be something that we really beneficial to this team and that's something it could go ahead and happened so I mean I really think that this team is trusting and Mason Rudolph and that's something that Ah if you remember they back in time. Let's go back to two thousand four that glory season that fifteen in one season with Ben Roethlisberger is a rookie the kind of brought him along slow to you got to keep in mind. This is the man's third career start slowly and slowly you you watch the Ben Getting more opportunities to whip the ball downfield so this is a situation where Mason Rudolph could really grow his resume somme. You could do so much better if he can just rack up some yards on this team. I'M GONNA go ahead and bring up just comment from snowman here. Bring it on the board. The Radford's defense has given up one thousand yards in the last two games and both games they lost so the question is though are we in a situation right now where the steelers are capable putting up five td's because they didn't put up five TV's they put up three ts against a very bad cincinnati fence as far as I'm concerned so that's that's something that you need to do. Excuse me what I'm saying five. Td's I meant one thousand yards five hundred yards. So is this a five hundred yard our team so we'll just have to see because the steelers are not a chief team. They are not the are not that caliber of team and the caliber of Defense and the Brown the caliber of offense excuse me and the browns offense with Odell Beckham and they they really with Nick Chubb. They really ran all over this team so you know as far as everything goes will just have to see what what they're capable of doing. We're GONNA see how innovative this game plan is but I'm going to go back to the original question. I think the threat level is still pretty high because you have to win. I'm still keeping it at orange. Pardon me we're actually wants to say say red but the bottom line to it you gotta go ahead and win. This game name and this team is starting to remind me of a team that could start winning games like this if they could just pull make some little tweaks and pull everything everything together. This is not a situation where you have to go ahead and care everything down. Don't have to start over you. You just have to make those tweaks. They have some really exciting things going. I'm going to call him. Killer vs you've got the net. Excuse me if they go ahead and play you have a secondary. That's looking so much better probably the best that they've had in years with team and it's starting to get a whole lot better so but you've got to have a statement game like. Bo says you've gotta go out and go ahead and really really you can't follow it a one and four so that's why it is such a big deal. So what I'm GonNa do is in the few minutes. We have left here. I'm GONNA go ahead. Open it up to Eddie questions. We'll go ahead and do that and feel free. If you WANNA go ahead and use the super chat that puts money in the queue and what it does and we call it the tip jar and that gives us an opportunity to go ahead and you give away some goodies we we gave away last week. We gave away tickets to the Cincinnati game that Monday night football game we also have a conscious that still running for the day of the Castro football no putting coming up the vinnie pants but keeps on going and we get enough in the tip jar. Maybe the Finney Pants will go up there some day. I don't know and if you don't know about the BJ fitting pants I'm sure that we can go ahead and get you up to speed with everybody else on the live chat because I have a pair of pants worn by. BJ Phinney in action I actually bought from the steelers so that's interesting and the other thing I'm GonNa. Bring up is I realized that I have have been you know just blabbering for twenty eight minutes without with nonstop and I have probably the over under on me me using the word situation is is probably over because I view situation so many times so when I go back and listen to it probably GonNa Count. It's probably over over ten at this point so that's something I'm working on as well but so let's go ahead and look at some questions here. Let's start off with Donald Nolan any chance they bring up Kevin Jones from practice squad. If they get rid of Moncrieff you know I. That's not actually the worst idea in the world. I am still in favour of giving moncrieff a chance but the bottom line the whole moncrieff thing is you wanNA protect that third round pick that you would get from getting rid of him because of the whole levy on bell thing and with eljay Ford being out the eagles even though he's hooked on with another team that means that they would not be eligible for that that pick Glenn Ultra Got Brian. What do you think of Mark Baron well. If you ask me. After the San Francisco Game I would have been really concerned about Mark Barron Erin eleven tackles the other night getting beaten by Tyler Tyler I for it and coming back to knock that ball away on that first series to keep them to the the only points of that that field goal very early in the game was huge. Mark Barron is not going to be you know Devon Bush in what he can be in the future but he can be a very valuable player for this team. He could be a very piece of the puzzle of this team. I think they're in it to win it with a guy like mark. Baron and I'm glad the seat to six out there that to six. That's the guy would've see. He brings a lot of valuable experience. He is a former first round. Pick very good player as as far as I'm concerned but he had a horrible game in San Francisco but play much better cousin Dave. Do you think the steelers can mirror what the browns due to the Ravens. It depends on the running game. I'll tell you that we don't have an Chubb Right now and the reason we don't have a Nick Chubb is because the offensive line has not been up to par but here's the interesting thing about it. The steelers have a much better offensive line than that of the Cleveland Browns so if they could put some do things together and they're going to be a lot better shape my favorite all-time steeler and why from snowman that's two dollars into the tip jar. Wow you know what this probably changes a whole heck of a lot. A lot of people know that I'm from from Johnston so jack. Ham has always been a favorite of mine. I will go back and forth all the time. If I were to go eras I I would probably say that on offense. It's probably still going to be to this point John Stallworth 'cause that's the guy that you you know I grew up in the seventies but he was still late into the eighties and one of my favourite years is nineteen eighty-four. I absolutely love that team. The team that went to they were nine and seven were a good team but Louis Lips was a rookie and John Stallworth had a season for the ages after being out all of nineteen eighty three and I just have some special memories of Johnny Stallworth so offense. I'd say that would be my guy. Jack Ham on defense but I'm a big Mel Blunt Guy as well. If we go into the the ninety s man. I was a Rod Woodson Guy. I it was a big fan of Greg Lloyd as well but if I had to say my favorite of all time Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan a nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean it's all spoiled every Tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches wear now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as is it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP probably have to say a still hines ward. The guy just brought it back for us. He's the guy who who helped make it happen and bring those super super bowls back to us. I Know Ben did a lot of guys did but I'd probably say hindsight next week. I might have a completely different dealer for you. I have so many that I'm very fond of tough question. You actually you didn't you don't even realize how tough question that is for me. I mean another Guy Mike Webster. Gosh huge Mike Webster. Fan and his story is a historian tough. One Alex floor is ask. How will what will be the key to the defense this week really stopping that running game? That's that's the bottom line shadowing Lamar Jackson. Stopping Mark Mark Ingram and the secondary has a lot to do with that as well if they could if they could just stop the passing game and make them rely more on the run and just stop. Who would I bring back Hines Ward Stallworth or Louis Lips all right. You know what that's interesting because if you bring back nineteen eighty-four Louis Lips nineteen eighty five eighty four eighty five around that time that guy was just a demon on special teams as well. Just I mean as a return man. He can make things happen. Hines Ward was the heart of that eighteen with the blocking and he was just a clutch guy. Stallworth was a big play guy. Combine them all into one. I doubt it Do I have to answer that question and since since there's not a tip jar on that I guess I'll just GonNa cop out and and I'm not going to answer that question. Who's going to be the key to the defense this week. Alex asks you know. I think it continues to be T. J. Watt that guy to me is the heart and soul the defense right now. You're getting some great play of Steph onto it. You're getting some elevated play out of the defense the the defensive backs now. Minka is making things happen a lot. You're seeing a lot of things happen as as far as Devon Bush as well so I'm GONNA say not J. Watt but I'm going to have an ABI in. They're going to have one more guy that I'll bring up and that's Vinnie Williams if he plays and it looks like he's going to go ahead and play in in this game. He's crucial to that team stopping the run. I know he's a liability coverage but you know what some some of the faster. The guys that are do well in coverage are liabilities against the run a Bush is getting much better from it so you know I think Vince Williams's important but if tj what is disrupting like he has shown that he's done all year long. He's going to be a very special all time player here for this team if he keeps that going this is not a question. I've got to bring it up and love the name suplex Tyler. I'm from Johnstown love to know more about that. I'm a Richland high graduated regiment of one thousand nine hundred eighty nine so I did get I did get back to actually got a little behind here but what's my pick for the game. I'm a I'm going to go with my original. Pick with a ridiculous score of twenty two to nineteen how you get there. I can see the steelers going for two point conversion if they get up early so you know that's a I'm starting to waver from that but I gotta get remained consistent so I'll go twenty two nineteen but the steelers win the game. What do I think of the chances of Nelson getting his first pick against the Ravens. Yeah I can see that happening but it in my bulletin bizarre predictions and I'm going to have tomorrow come out of actually the pick that I'm looking at is going to come from Terrell Edmonds. That's the guy I'm thinking of but I tell you what Steven Nelson has a great opportunity to go ahead and do that as well so here's here's an interesting thing so let's bring this up. Let's don't act like this team with big. Ben should be winning so if steelers' can't win with Mason. He's he's in the answer move on well. You know sure let's give them a little bit of time and I really think that they're gonNA find that they can win with with with a player like this. I you know I'm going to bring this up and this is something I'm really proud of as I looked the live chat because here's a commoner that I greatly respect and I respect all of our commenters but here's one who never agrees with me and I'm going to bring it up because he actually agrees with me this time one of my favorite commenters Dennis he agrees but he's still say our whole front line since we need to shut their rush down is is the key but that's the first time I think the Dennis has ever agreed with me so thank you Dennis. I I appreciate that and hey I have no problem when anybody disagrees with me because I am not right half the time either so in fact if I'm right a quarter of the time I'd probably probably appreciate that with that being said we've a were coming up on the forty minute. Mark and I thank everybody for hanging out with me today. it's so fun to go ahead and read the comments. Go ahead and do the show I am so used to having the crutch of being able to be the county began the show with Dave and all of those guys to get a little breather to throw things off and just try to be the the funny guy but this week. I feel that I had a lot of fun with you guys so thank you so much for behind the curtain dot com. My name is Brian. Anthony Davis and we've all together just answered that burning question. It's going to be a great one tomorrow. Go steelers will see you next week and let's hope for a good one day care.

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Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 8: Thursday 8/27/20

Behind the Steel Curtain

14:33 min | 1 year ago

Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 8: Thursday 8/27/20

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Sports betting dime DOT COM provides the coverage fans need to bet with confidence every time find the best odds, track key trends and make smarter bets on all your favorite sports check it out. It's sports betting dime DOT com. Pittsburgh steeler fans. Welcome back another training camp recap. I'm your host, Jeff Hartmann Co editor of behind the steel curtain dot com, and the Pittsburgh steelers after a day off on Wednesday. We're back on the grid iron at Heinz field on Thursday and it was plenty to report about the Pittsburgh steelers. A lot of people wondered if they were GonNa practice due to the social issues injustices going on around the country. A lot of teams canceled their practice postponed their practice steelers decided to practice as scheduled Mike Tomlin spoke about the social issues after the practice you can read about that on steelers dot com to give you a quick summation. He said that he his team, the organization look for. Basically more than just a statement they WANNA make a positive change, but they did practice and there was news from that practice. But before we get to the practice, what I typically do is because you have to remember in such strange and Weird Times of twenty twenty in regards the covid nineteen and restrictions reporting I like to go back and talk about everyone might have spoken to the media prior to the actual workouts, and then we'll get into what happened at the workout. So first and foremost, we heard from Ben Rothlisberger today that is right the franchise quarterback. Future Hall of fame quarterback spoke today and he talked about a lot of different things. He spoke about on Wednesday I. came out of nowhere leads to the general public that. My Gosh. He, they released this Docu series. It's called bigger than Dan. If you have not seen again, you can see it on behind the curtain dot com. You can also just go to youtube in surge bigger than and it's maybe fifteen minutes. But I tell you what it is tremendous I mean remarkable. What they did was they went all the way back to the two thousand eighteen you have to remember where they were. Antonio Brown talks his way out of town Ben Rothlisberger is getting dragged through the mud. It starts there goes all the way up until Darrow Drake's death training camp in thousand nineteen it talks about the injury depth in Rothlisberger was asked about this today and he. said the basically he and his wife start to document things have a surgeon, their phone, and then the age his agent said, why don't we add some professionals and make this thing good and it is phenomenal. So I know that's on really football related. But if you're a steeler fan, you've been itching to get something that's football related. This is awesome other than that. Rothlisberger spoke about a lot of good stuff he spoke about his contract and. If, he would actually sign a new contract. He said right now he's just taking it year to year because you just don't know what's going to happen in last year was perfectly a perfect example of that rainy feeder also spoke and he talked about how Rothlisberger has been pulled on kind of a pitch count yet he everything has been great so far with his elbow Rothlisberger said, he's making throws that he didn't think he could make A. But he's really getting those deep passes dialed in is great news across everything that's coming out of news from his health and his arm and his elbow has been one hundred percent positive but feeder said they still have to be cautious. He still a an aging quarterback he stole a quarterback that has a lot of throws on that arm, and so for that reason, he is someone that is they have to keep that under control so to speak. One really interesting chase cables hype train is just tilt right now I mean everyone's talking about Chase Klay Pool and the steelers circle I don't know if he's getting the national media attention that he is in Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh everyone's talking about the rookie receiver in the second round Notre Dame number eleven chase clay pool. And Randy Feeder is asked about his relationship with Ben. Rothlisberger Rothlisberger has been there for a lot of rookies. You know that have really paved their way in made a name for themselves whether it's antenna Brown Emmanuel, Sanders, Mike, Wallace, Antonio homes. on in terms of the receivers it, he has been a part of his rookie but the funny thing is is that cripples relationship is really growing into a very unique one with rothlisberger and it was sometimes at the age old saying is your best ability is your availability feeding her said the his rapport with that report, his report meaning clay polls rapport with Ross. Is Unique. Why? Because he's always there he hasn't missed a snap. His conditioning level is high he super smart and he's making the transition seamlessly. Therefore, he says. The opportunities are coming his way. So again, his best ability is his availability. Now, we haven't gotten to see any eleven on eleven action with the Pittsburgh steelers training camp we don't get his. Views from the Chuck Noll field seats were fan is taken his cell phone camera out and he's filming their red zone or he's filming the two minute drill or they asked Rothlisberger Hey and these eleven on eleven sessions who's been winning you know. Rothlisburger made it simple defense He said the defense wedding. Now he might have just said that to say that, but ultimately, he also could be saying that because they are let's not forget the steelers defense is pretty elite. They are a good group. So if you can score on this group than my goodness, it's it's you're doing something right now yesterday I'm sorry on Tuesday after the training camp recap on Tuesday before their day off Wednesday. camp. Sutton was kinda highlighted as the Swiss army knife is what I call it in the recap for behind the steel curtain dot com, you can do so many play seventy positions inside outside safety nickel. Drop down the box he can do it all for the steelers secondary. There might be another secondary player that is really trying to throw his hat into the versatile ring being a you know the more you can do and that would be none other than Marcus Allen Marcus Allen is a safety they've been using him as at Mark Baron type role, the athletic heavier on here's a heavier bigger safety. At Penn State, he was considered a thumper run downhill play in the box tackling machine. He might be one of those guys you see move into that role. Now Mike Tomlin said after practice he's not really ready for that to say that he's ready for that move yet but they're definitely trying him out there and giving him an opportunity to succeed in capacity so that's exciting news their next I Talk about some injuries, the steelers got a lot of players back after their day off the following players were back on the field in some way shape or form after their day off on Wednesday Juju Smith Schuster. We've got a couple days off back Kevin Dotson. He's been out for over a week with a knee. He was back in the limited basis same with the Andre Johnson. Jhad jukes. For was back limited over the groin. Wendell smallwood limited with shoulder terrell edmonds returned his injury was undisclosed Chris warmly with shoulder star to work his way back and Vance McDonald tight end who had a day off he was back on the field as well. However, they did have a couple players missing Eric Brown missed was illness and then those that were previously injured the remained out of practice were. I'm sorry Derwin. Gray with a knee karat white junior he's considered data day He's trying to work his way back Alex. Myers. The Join Ryan Switzer's considered day to day with foot CAM candidate. Miss a long snapper was a knee and Derek wide. We found out from Tomlin. Had Surgery at some point and he's working his way back. He's he should be good to go by the week one. The newest injury would be none other than Anthony McFarland the rookie running back fourth round pick out of Maryland he suffered a concussion and will enter the NFL concussion protocol, which means that he's probably. Out For at least a week, and then once he clears that vertical, he'll be back out on the practice field. So there you have it all the background knowledge of the day was and steelers training camp. Let's get to the actual training camp report, which is produced by the Pittsburgh steelers, and here's what they said. Nose tackle Daniel mccullers. Big Dan. The Shade Tree received loud and emphatic praise from Tomlin, on two occasions for his work in the drill. The steelers to work on coming off the ball at the snap. A large portion of practice was devoted to special teams including tackled to the ground live kickoff returns in coverage, which has rarely if ever been the case Anthony Mcfarland and Ray Ray Macleod worked as tournament on McLeod's I grab took the kick worked up field made one cut in the whole and ran to daylight much to the pleasure of the players standing on the sideline. It's kind of a catch twenty two, those a quick sidebar when a player makes a big play like that in practice your pump because he. Made a big play. You're also upset that the team that you play for also was the one that gave up the big play. So keep that in mind plays. Care Chris Basel's Lake had a busy day on field goals. He made kicks from forty, forty, one, thirty, four, forty to forty, five, fifty, an forty, eight yards on his own during the live portion he hit a fifty five yard attempt off the Right Upright and then drove the post it landed high up on the net seems like his leg is alive. Ray Macleod also got plenty of snaps at wide receiver and continued to make plays. He did drop one, but he made his share of catches including an ice twenty or reception over the middle from backup quarterback Mason Rudolph. In another example of how Ben Rothlisberger continues to show no issues whatsoever with the conditioning of his throwing arm, he executed upon fake to create an opening for Judas, machines down the seem for a longing, a safety by trade as we said, Marcus Allen was running inside linebackers Jerry also ask you the inside linebackers coach was giving him tips and conferring with him throughout practice. Then he's junior got the best of alum on several plays in the running back took a pitch in the defender tried to keep him contained. Snell lowered a shoulder and ran over Allen by taking advantage of his aggressiveness when Tom and. Match Snow Juke down to the inside and made a mis- on a third straight matchup between the two snell down again, and then Snell ran him over on a fourth Rep. Maybe not such a great start for Marcus Allen Wilsey, maybe more impressive to getting himself more playing time is able to sniff out a blitz corn blitzing cornerback and stuff him on a team drill chase klay plummeted ice diving catch the end zone during seven shots seems like that's a common thread here fantasy football owners keep your eye out for chase label safety Curtis Riley had an impressive pass defense on a throw down the seam and seven seven tackles. Zach banner had a pretty good run blocking day during a live scrimmage. He made an ice block my Hilton allow James Connor to get thirty yards. Connors participation early was limited because the steelers wanted an extended look at Anthony McFarland. But later in the practice, connor is getting the ball and showed that he has picked up a little speed and quickness off season. Man They give you just enough to get you really really excited. You know what? I mean It's funny when I finish these recaps I'm sitting here thinking to myself man I'm excited for football start. I cannot wait for football to get back but it'll be here sooner than later you know it that we were back and it'll be exciting in the meantime I. Really Hope The a enjoy these and that you be are taking turning tuning into our podcast on our behind steel curtain platform. Remember you might follow us on Youtube and that's great. If you do go to youtubecom search bt SE steelers radio. subscribed to the channel like videos we really appreciate that but. 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Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 11: Wednesday 9/2

Behind the Steel Curtain

13:56 min | 11 months ago

Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 11: Wednesday 9/2

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This is Jeff Hartman Co editor behind the curtain dot com with you for another episode of the Training Camp Recap. This is our eleventh practice that we've gone over in the steelers are in the final week of preparation before regular preparation. Next week begins as they prepare for the New York football giants in week one on Monday night football at Metlife Stadium in New Jersey. Not. New York New Jersey nonetheless the steelers Rebecca practice on. Wednesday they will practice the next three days and then will have the weekend off before they get started my gosh I forgot what it was but still it's been that kind of weak and the steelers were back added before we get to that. And I WANNA mention obviously wherever you're listening to this podcast make sure you follow a subscribe whatever the case may be. Really, we are wherever you can get podcasts even on Pandora. Folks were giving away a free autograph Markey's Housi- Football. 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We had five hundred people trying to win this football in the writers are there Dave Scofield Myself Brian Anthony Davis, all the other podcasters were all we ought team. and so check it out and it's always fun good banter but make sure you check that out. Now checking with the steelers today as we always do for those listening for a long time throughout these training camp talk about who the steelers had available for the media for prior to practice, and we talk about practice and things ended up with by talented his post practice interview. The steelers gave fans in Media Marcus Allen early was the first interview today. It was interesting to hear from Marcus. Allen. Because Marcus Allen, a guy that has been around he's hung around as a rookie. He made the roster play much outside of special teams and then all of a sudden it was. A secondary of on the practice squad, but they've kept him around for a reason and now all of a sudden they're thinking he might be the answer. He might be the guy that could maybe fill that Mark Baron role that heavy safety can play down the box and you know Marcus Allen. He spoke about a lot of different things he talked about growing up being steeler fan he talked about idolizing Troy Paulo in way that he played he talked about the fact that this position 'cause Jerry Sandusky joined the media earlier in the week. Everyone's making a big deal out of this. He said I did this Penn State. This is kind of how they use me a penn state. I'm used to this. He's a big safety is two hundred and fifteen pounds, and so for him to slide down into the boxes, not anything that's new for him. Nonetheless, it's still going to be a learning process and we're not sure as a fan base or the coaching staff I guess is learned that. Far If he will be ready for that. Nonetheless, he's he's Thumper I've said that before on this podcast, he seems like he's more willing to actually go out there and take on the contact that is with at inside linebacker hybrid position. So really that was the only player. I thought that we have another person interviewed. They didn't it was just Mark Zalin on Wednesday. And then the steelers took Heinz field it was another padded practice. Let's talk about some injuries Anthony McFarland was returned. He returned from practice this has been confusing for me with no official injury reports. Okay. Here's what I don't get. It was reported that Anthony Furlan had a concussion last week. So you would think you have to go into the protocol, but then in the evening practice on Friday night basically was out there that doesn't make sense. Then he sat out on Monday and now the sudden he's back practice. I'm not sure what's going on nonetheless, Anthony followed was out there practice today. That's a good sign Cameron Sutton finished did wasn't able to finish practice today but ultimately. Mike Tomlin said that he thought he's going to be just fine other than that David decastro remained out. Couple of the veterans like Stephan was newsy day off and Mike Tomlin said, this is really a prep day that they're going through a typical Wednesday would be. a prep week. That's what you want to call it or as he said, we had a good mock in season Wednesday today the officially from Tomlin after practice I wanted to take them through the structure of a day that's in season Wednesday like in terms of some presentation of. Game plan materials talking about significant matchups versus a potential opponent. We did drills only on Wednesdays and we added to that we did more transitional. We felt like we need the additional work between getting the offensive and defensive unit off the field and special teams units on the field. That's a big component of preseason football gaining fluidity in that area. So we're paying respect to these unusual circumstances by getting additional work in that area. In a practice setting, we'll continue to do that. We don't want to get into stadiums in regular season football and have issues relating to having eleven on the field as we transition from group to group. Today, guilt, this is basically a regular. Wednesday. When people heard me, you heard well Mike. Tomlin says it is a game planning stuff. They ask was this really did you start looking at the giants already and he said we weren't necessarily focused on specifically the giants even though we went through mock structure Ray Lucy's Wednesday. We're still just focus on our high volume things things we can execute in all circumstances. There's a lot of unknowns about the giants first game there's no preseason they have any staff. So the things that we focus on in environments like this better be things we can execute regardless of circumstance and really that was our focus it was more about in our ability to perform. Don't let him for you folks that they'd been planning for the giants they they. I guarantee you have already put in a a shell of a game plan against the giants they've studied film on. Daniel Jones saquon Barkley now granted. Is a rookie head coach. They have no idea what. That's GonNa look like offense coordinator same thing. Nonetheless, they can still focus on those skill position players in what they might have to do. But. What happened on the practice field? That's always the big question. Only three practice remaining this Saturday steelers have to cut down their roster by four pm New York time, eastern standard time from eighty to fifty three, and we will have a special Saturday cut down special for you. Right. After it happens, we will get this on the audio platform as soon as possible at. least myself maybe just myself maybe day. Scofield O'Brien Brian Anthony. Davis join me and we'll talk about who got cut who didn't get cut who's made the practice squad all that good stuff that'll be this Saturday afternoon but practice on Wednesday deontay Johnson Ryan Switzer newly signed the Andre Tompkins with a punt returns at least until Tompkins struggled catching a couple on a windy rainy day. They started seven shots with Ben Rothlisberger, connecting with Juju Smith Schuster I on a quick throw, and then on a slant Eric Ron was wide open on across, but the ball was just out of his reach. The first team offense went three and one when Benny Snell followed the Pancake Block of Zach banner off the right side Mason Rudolph got sacked in his first repetition with the second group which prompted Tomlin yell you know you have to hurry Mason Rudolph came back with the conversion too. Tight End Kevin Reiter in a hand off to Amara Darbeau for another score ray Ray McLeod. Had a nice catch a deep ball against veteran corner Skim Sutton. The defense really gave Marcus Allen a good look inside on Wednesday in team in seven on seven he made a couple of stops against the run. He also broke up a pass for his act gentry in seven on seven That's good of some positive results. For Marcus, Allen, this is a good step in the right direction folks. Next Ben Rothlisberger. Had A maintenance day and only two parts, seven shots and seven on seven late and practice coupes Chor Four. Was it right tackle with the first team offense during the first eleven on eleven practice period during a kickoff return period Ryan Switzer was the main return guy with any snell in chase pool as the up. Bax Kevin Raider made a leaping grab over a defender in eleven on eleven period and then follow. That up with a catch between two defenders. cornerback James fear made a leaving interception of a Paxton. Lynch pass deep down the left sideline. James Conner got a lot of work in the offensive script periods against the show team. At one point, he ran the ball three straight times in pass out of the backfield. Later in practice, he ran a four more times more often than not he gained significant yards albeit against the second defensive unit. Drill Edmonds made plays down the field in coverage. It's good to hear I running stride for stride with a receiver angling him towards the sidelines out of bounds a couple of plays. Later, he knocked the ball out of raiders hands on a crossing pattern. The best pass rush of the day came from Alex highsmith during offensive line and defensive line. One on ones. Highsmith's a quick spin. Move on right tackle chew core for Tomlin called for review hospice tried a bull rush in core four stood his ground in the final defensive script with the first team. The first three plays were a tackle for loss by BUD depre- A sack by T. J. Watt in a tackle for. Loss by Vince Williams may that is incredible as really incredible sounds like the defense is ready to go. Tomlin's injury update work says we're continuing to get some guys back who were missing for short term day to day like standpoint Anthony McFarland was back of war camp. Sutton wasn't able to finish he's being evaluated, but we don't expect to be any significant anything significant and others are just continuing to push forward. I talked about Stephan sneaky getting the day off Dave decastro still out long snapper cameron candidate was a partial participant. He works back from a knee injury and Chris warmly with a shoulder was a full participant. You heard it right folks the steelers are getting healthy. They're getting, right. They're getting ready. I'm excited. I have said it before million times on this podcast as well as let's ride I'm really excited incident. So strange not having preseason football and I've never thought I would say that I would never thought. I would say I miss preseason football but I do and I think there's a lot of people that do you. You're not getting to see these fringe players as we like to call them have a chance at actually making the team, and so you're missing out on a lot nonetheless we're still here we're still getting ready the teams getting ready. I think that this this upcoming season's going to be unique. It's GONNA be different by it's GonNa be really exciting When you listen to this, you're listening on Thursday just one week until the season kicks off on the cheese, the defending super bowl champs host the Houston Texans on Thursday night football that's going to be must watch television everyone is going to be amped up for that I. Know I'm going to be amped up for that I know that everyone listening out there's going to be amped up for that and what's going to be tough. Is Eager watching him on Thursday you'd have to wait Saturday Friday Saturday nfl football all day Sunday. which Kinda wait till Monday. For the steelers, it's like Christmas in having to wait until the day after Christmas to open your gifts. Nonetheless will be we'll do done before four years ago when they opened up in Washington against the Washington football club on Monday night football we've had way before wait again that's not a big deal in the meantime. Make sure you check out behind the steel curtain dot com for all your Pittsburgh steelers needs make sure you check out all of our podcast that includes my let's ride in the morning every Monday Wednesday Friday, the steelers staticky on Thursday to as retro show on. Tuesday and we're GONNA have a whole new slew of schedule new different schedule for the season. 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Steelers Stat Geek: What Eric Ebron brings to the Steelers' offense in 2020

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Steelers Stat Geek: What Eric Ebron brings to the Steelers' offense in 2020

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You need to replace your headset and you can't get you can't get it ordered so you're doing a good job. They can make him do but for those of you here on Youtube that are that can see the screen. You can see that. It's not different than I. We also have someone else joining us yet again. We have Kevin Smith also known as the form. The writer formerly known as cliff. Heiresses still a punk joining us tonight for a very special topic. How's it going? Hey Don great barricade myself for my kids here in the house. So we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA have a good chat all right well first things first for those of you. If you didn't catch it last week. Kevin had a really nice article about basically life beyond football. And everything else going on and something that you mentioned in that article that I wanted to ask you about because I know it was. We weren't sure we didn't know for sure if you'd be able to join US tonight because of the situation with your son. Can you give us an update on how everything and how he's doing? So yes my my son's a student at George Washington University. He was doing a semester abroad in Botswana. You know he was recalled. Like kids all over. The planet have been recalled from those programs and We had a hard time extracting. Let's put it that way. He he actually went to the airport on Saturday night and he be landing. Jfk Airport. Any minute now I mean. He's Gone Botswana. Two Days in the airport in Johannesburg fluted Dubai Boston now now New York City. So we're just. We're just happy to get him home. You go all in with kids. All over the country I work in higher. Ed and just try to help a couple of guys this week from Congo work that they were trying to get to reunion. Which is a small French island off the east side? Madagascar yeah I mean so there or some- they're they're trying to get to their from all they're trying to get to there from here. Okay so couple. Guys play my basketball team and they were. They decided time to get home. The is uncharted waters man. I'm just you know nothing like this in my lifetime. I'm sure same trip you guys. Yep Yeah So. The great news is when I talked you earlier or or texted with earlier. Is that when you said he was in the country? Yeah because that was probably the biggest step. You're like well. He's in Boston. I'm like well. It's a long drive but worst case scenario. Go get him from Boston. His luggage is in Dubai. That's never we're going to see that again. But he's here which is good well if anything was left to do by. That's probably the least. His luggage didn't show up. I guess the opposite of that would be the worst case. Scenario is he's a twenty one year old dudes. I'm sure his clothes were not in the best shape after two months in. Yeah I guess how long just just to just to know. How long was he there before he had come home? Two months he he had two more to go so well so well. We're we're just grateful that that I mean. He's part of the extended family as part of the family. So we're just glad to hear good news like that so okay before we dive into the topic. Let's let's just check in on some news. Thank goodness it's calmed down a little bit. There's been a lot that's happened since rich and I were on a show last week. One of which is going to be the topic of the show tonight but various various other things. It's funny because I was realistic to our show from last week today and it was very odd. How some of the some of the stuff. We were saying this kind of exactly what happened. Yup Rich was saying about you. Know yet could could use another interior offensive lineman on the team. There was if we could get a good beside keeping what are we do? We got a decent guy on the we. Yeah that's what we said you like. I could see Kevin Colbert working on trying to find a good deal for good linemen. And that's exactly what he did and then I said I felt that of all the players. The steelers still still had from last season. That weren't on the team. If they were going to bring back anyone it was going to be Jordan danger field and they signed him to a very team friendly contract. I can't say for sure. It's the exact minimum of what it would be for somewhat his years of service. But it's it's it's under a million dollars so that's good just to update everyone a little bit. Because this is the stat geek show when we get and do numbers. There's been some reports about the steelers and the salary cap if you go and check on over the Cap Dot Com right now. They have the steelers in almost exactly ten million dollars under the CAP. But what you need to remember is that it doesn't have to things taken into consideration the contract of Eric Ibrahim which we talk about a little bit and the and the contract from the trade for Chris warmly. So that's going to be at most eight million between the two and probably more around six. They're still under the cap but not a whole lot. Steelers are looking good. When it comes to compensatory draft picks we still don't know already Burns's total for his contract if it will qualify or not. It's got to be more than two and a half million dollars. Approximately in order to qualify into that like was newsies did not that was a great signing for the steelers. It wasn't even enough to start to hurt them in compact but right now they're set up for three. They have a net loss of three so the steelers could still sign a couple of people if they had the money and the right guys come along even if they did qualify they'd still be in line for complex for twenty twenty one which is nice. So that's enough the geeky stuff. We have Kevin here for a reason because he's got an article coming out tomorrow. It's I really enjoyed it. I I the deputy editor I can go in and read anything anyone's looking on so we're GONNA be talking about the the steelers news tight end Eric. Braun and Kevin. Why do we have you on here to talk about Eric brought? I've been fortunate to get to know work fairly well over the last couple of years. A kind of a cool connection to the high school where I coach are we at a guy train. Our kids for a few years gun in John Porter. Who'S A great trainer? John's got a bunch of pro clients and Eric's wanted his clients and so every July for about the last four five years. Eric and some guys from the Eagles Jason Kelsey Vinny Curry couple of other guys were out of the League. Now they would. They'll come down and and they work out with us our schools right when I say right on the Beach. I mean it's right on the beach like Like in Hurricane Sandy Twenty twelve. We actually had waves roll in indoor end zone. I mean that's how that's how close we are to the beach so early. You're right on the beach. Yeah like it's East endzone fence parking lot beach you know. So so they got. They go down on the beach and a lot of their training in the sand. And it's really cool to have our kids be able to to work with Dan. We've done fieldwork with those guys and an Arab. I mean he's been great man. He's been so accommodating to our kids jokes around with Participate in drill work just shares his insights with them. So I mean it was really cool to see him. Sign with the steelers and you know for us to have that connection. That's that's fantastic. I know this was assigning. You were hoping that the steelers would make a while ago but you didn't know if there was something they'd be able to pull off. Yeah I mean you know regardless of who it was. I was personally hoping it would be Eric for you. Know for the personal connection but more. So because he's the he's the the prototype that I know we've been trying to land for a while you know we look at it back with with Madari screen in two thousand sixteen and I think that they see kind of Zach gentry in that role a little bit That athletic what we sometimes call moves tight end other teams for other teams. That are a little more. Physical guys is h back but for us. It's a move tight end. Who Constructs the field vertically? I mean that's really the big thing man if we if we can run more twelve personnel with McDonald as strong tight end. Who can set the edge in the you know as a blocker and who can run more a little more the underneath stuff and getting the ball quick. Because he's a good runner with the ball in his hands and Iran. Kind of take the top off of coverage whether that be spring him deep and play action or pull knows backers out of there so that guys like June. The Andre Johnson can operate underneath I just think he opens up. So much of the offense that that he's he's an ingredient we'd been missing for Awhile now and I think that he's going to make life a lot easier for us on offense so so rich when you heard about the signing. What was your first thoughts? I thought it was a good signing Didn't didn't blow the bank but we did have the pain heads paint. But we didn't have to overpay concern. I have this health false. He stays on the field. He makes us a much better team. Yeah I'm on a surprise that they got him for the price of did. I know that he was a name. That was that steelers fans of people in the live. Chat and people on the website had thrown out. That they'd really like to see him. I just never thought that the steelers could get get him for the price. They did now when we speak a price. I WANNA bring this up. Because part of the reason. He's not counting against the steelers salary. Cap Right now is. He's officially not signed. He has he's committed the steelers but the reason he's he's technically not signed with the steelers is because of everything going on with our country and the physical that he needs to have their really insisting on this because he he missed the last five games of the season last year ankle surgery. So I mean most places have more realistic as a Pittsburgh steeler. It's really just a formality for for this to go through. It would have to be something really big and shocking to to make this back off but because of that. We don't have the financials of this deal. We know it's for two years twelve million dollars but until we get the actual breakdown. We don't know how much you count against the salary cap this year. I guess I've put it out there. I put it in a couple of articles and some various places. No one thinks I'm absolutely crazy. I think just around numbers off that he's going to be about a one million base contract for this year. I'm giving. I'm assuming they gave him probably like a six million dollar signing bonus that means half is that's guaranteed money right there so out of his twelve million haven't six of guaranteed give him that signing bonus and then he'd have a five million base for next year which would put him paid seven. This year paid five next year but for the salary cap it would be four this year and eight next year. Now it could be a little bit it might not be that much of a signing bonus they might have bumped that down it might only be a four million dollar signing bonus with two million base and a six million. You know what I'm saying. It could be various different numbers. But that's what I'm looking at and I'm like if if that's low was a four million dollar cap hit. That's pretty good for this year. Wouldn't you think so Kevin? They got that I I mean we kept saying on the show a lot rich and I would always answer especially before there was a new. Cba We would say with with what money kept saying. Because I mean the steelers cleared over twenty three million dollars cap space and restructures that they would have gotten made four million out of that if the thirty percent worldwide still but in some of these contracts that couldn't be renegotiated at all are not reading. You're not reading negotiate restructured. I'm using the wrong word wrong. Our word so that was our biggest thing is the cap it. I mean. It's possible that he's only a four million dollar cap at this year. I mean just just an estimate it. Did you think the Hebron was a guy that the steelers could get? That would only cost that much. Gap is here. I didn't you know kind of poked but then a couple of things worked in our favor. One being you never take the corona virus works in our favor. Because that's terrible expected. That will be taken the wrong way but not being not being able to have people check him out in person probably restricted. You know the number of Souder said he was going to get I mean. I read something similar about Cam. Newton Panthers ended up releasing him because they couldn't find a trade partner because people were so worried about his health and not having a chance to see him personally so that probably worked a little bit our favor we had to have incentivize them in in that contract with money upfront. You're saying I mean why would he? Why would he accepted if if there wasn't a an additional carrot because it seems like the Patriots who I mean? I just figured he's there snapping him because they're you know they love tight ends and they always seem to be able to to bring a guy in who you know. Maybe he has had an issue or two in some other places and you know get him you know on their on the Patriot way as they call it or whatever I just thought. Oh He's going to land there because they need a shot to their offense so I don't know again I don't know what we incentivized him with. But I'm sure that it was something that was pretty convincing. I think he's obviously smart enough to understand that his he was at his best in his career when he played with Andrew Luck. Luck Zola's reminded me of a younger. Ben Rothlisberger. I think that there's probably just the opportunity with Ben was was enticing for him as well. Plant based is here to stay. We've got plant based milk. We've got plant based meat and now plant based butter is becoming a thing. That's why we're excited about new country. Crock plant butter. It's dairy free and plant based but it tastes like dairy butter not to mention the plant. Butter sticks cook and bake like dairy butter to. It's twenty five percent less saturated fat and the production of plant butter results in less than half the carbon footprint of dairy butter. Use it wherever you'd use dairy butter your top secret chocolate chip cookie. Recipe your morning toast. Any butter delivery system will do. And you've got a treat that's better for both you and the planet try it today. Find a store near you at country. Crock DOT com slash plant dash butter and see what all the plant based hype is about. I mean right now you can grab them up but who's going to throw in the ball up there. They don't even know so rich. And what do you think about? The numbers the financials good yeah number should nice a rather instead of four eight. That almost like the more five seven because we could. We could put another million this year. Don't want it to be too big hit next year but ninety dollars this has been the year of. Let's not worry about the hit for next year. I mean my goodness right now Ben. Rothlisberger is forty one point five million and I know people say there's going to be a big cap jumped next year but remember if they add that seventeenth gave next year. Every salary is going to base our is going up by one seventeenth. And that's GonNa that's GONNA add up there too so a lot of different factors so so I think you're exactly right Kevin about how believe it or not. The way they're having to conduct business right now was helpful because it is hurting those players that there might be injury concerns that that they can't do teams can't be do their due diligence right now about those players and see if they're if they're injured and the I guess the steelers you've kind of more or less took the flyer on it but he still got past the physical but from my understanding is is that is that he should be okay anything. What specifically about his game do you do you like the most? And what is your biggest concern with? Lebron's of what he brings to the steelers as to what I like. The most is just how explosives for his size and he's six five to fifty. He's every bit of it but he's not. He's not an inland player. You know nobody's bringing them anywhere block. I mean he's not Gonna. Knock your socks off as a blocker but a six five to fifty guy will play off. The ball is pretty rare. Goal in twelve personnel too tight end packages as an off the ball guy that they can move around and like one thing. I highlighted in article is coming out tomorrow when he gets a free. Release off the off the ball. I mean you can't cover them down the field. I mean if he gets a free release and he can he can get those first three or four steps in the ground without contact and he's going to eat a cushion immediately and now you're going to get them on second level third level with a smaller guy especially when it gets to those safeties and the match of nightmare for teams. You know like when when you gotta be able to contact the line of scrimmage. I was just telling a little anecdote in the article that I wrote about. He was throwing with one of our high school quarterbacks one day and he was running fifteen yard dig patterns which is just a fifteen yard in and he told our quarterback to take seven step drop in and hit him right off. The seventh step by the time or quarterback got his seventh step. He was already out of his break in half way across the meal the field and he when he caught the ball all the way over near the opposite Hash and he came back to the huddle and he told our quarterback and you. You just got the ear hole by safety you. You gotta get a lot quicker that you know so he needs a faster seven steps yes. What he was saying was like you know. I'm going to get down the field in a hurry. And it gave me appreciation for how. How fast pro quarterback gets to the back of their drop but it will also watch him gobble up just taking those big strides in Gob yardage. So teams are going to have to get his face in some way shape or form and that creates another problem for defensive. Your if you gotta walk a backer out on him or a safety down to make sure your jamming. Who met the line of Scrimmage If you're a zone team now you're you're you got a guy who's going to be late getting into zone as good as Roethlisberger's recognizing coverage is he'll he'll see that stuff and you'll have voided zones and you'll have opportunities now for for other receivers so as much as I like him in offense and what he can do. I like what he potentially open up for other guys just as much. Yeah I would report to see the see him setup in in trip formations. We did run a lot of trip for Mason's last year among the him outside like they used to do with heat sometimes get him out there as part of that bunch and then let guys you know cut off and pick is off each other because you got a guy that can move and catch your stretch. The feel like he can. You don't know where any of those guys are going to. Have you put e Brown who six five to fifty and Juju. Who's a physical guy up in a in a bunch with Johnson? Who has we know it was a quick twitch guy and runs really good routes now you got all sorts of possibilities for for free in Johnson up those those compress formations are really nice when you have physical guys you can quit. God's Yup what what I wanted to do real quick since we're about the twenty minute mark of the show was just those people joining late just to say that might not have caught. The last time he was on. This is Kevin Smith. He's a writer for by the so curtain DOT COM. He is the writer for notice. Cliff Harris is still a punk. Who's coming in and giving us some some inside information? He actually knows Eric Brown. He's he's worked with them He. He sometimes trains with Kevin's players. Because Kevin's a high school football coach in the summer. So he's just giving us some insight there and he's got a great article coming out tomorrow. So you gotTa make sure you check the website for that article. I what I like is players that you can do different things I like. I like when they when the steelers make you think you're GonNa do one thing and then do something else. And there's there's a specific play from the year before last. I loved to talk about when they had when they were the they used. Roosevelt Mix James Connor and and they had two tight ends and a be all on the field and they went empty they went empty set and the way they spread people around and they actually got Xavier Grumble Wide Open with nobody guarding him on one side of the field all by himself because they caught him in a bad defensively. Couldn't defend it. I like guys. Like Abraham because although he's not known as a blocker you can't say that if when he's on the field they're definitely passing if they're not going to to run the ball so once again man wouldn't it be nice to see Vance McDonald. Eric Broaderrick Watt on the field together. And once again using it as a as a passing formation where the team thinks they're going to have to bring in run personnel. Maybe maybe exploit something that way. I JUST WANNA see I. I look forward to see how they're going to use it. My biggest thing. I'm Brian Anthony. Davis is doing a an an article series of grading all the steelers acquisitions. He asks us for grades. Kevin's would give him his grades. I've been given a great one of the lower grades on this one because I think I speak it. I think this has the potential steelers biggest free agent signing. He has great potential to do fantastic things. But that's the same thing we heard. I know some people say that last year about a certain wide receiver came from the colts. But the other thing is like you are already mentioned back in two thousand sixteen when you sign a tight end for twenty million dollars over four years and he plays a total of six games screen. That's still kind of he was supposed to come in and be that different tight end at steelers fans we're looking for and he and he just never could get on the field. He was on up through through eight weeks of the season and then he couldn't finish the season so I don't think there's anything personal about Ibrahim himself but you look at it it's kind of a flashy signing when you think about it because it's a name people know but at the same time they got it. I still feel a pretty good price. But there's a lot of notes one one thing that people have brought up at the past and I really want to know your thoughts on this. Kevin is some people. Say there's some character issues there and he's argumentative and not the best guy in the locker room or anything like that. If there's anybody we can ask that would possibly know about this other than someone that's in an NFL locker room. You're you're the only person that could not back up and put because that's exactly what West was asking in the live chat was that I haven't even looked at the live chat all night keeping you asking that question. I saw thank you wess all right so so is there any I mean? Do you see any red flags that you've heard of or I mean not even that you have to go for your personal went from your personal contact. Just what are your thoughts on that on that in general sure sure I wanNa make sure backup and address one of the things that you you just said about versatility. But Yeah About Eric. I would tell you this man. He's a goofy guy like he's He's got a quirky sense of humor. A key jokes around a lot like a little bit of a prankster and I could see how in in a different and that's going to depend on the environment that he's in if you're in you're in a really sort of tight environment where where it's it's all business and you got really really serious guys around you all the time. They could definitely take that the wrong way. Like this guy doesn't care as much he's happy. Go lucky you know he laughs a lot. He tells a lot of stories. I mean he definitely wants the ball in his hands. There's no doubt about that like I said before. He he'll be the first to tell you. Bring me here to block but I mean I think he's the sort of I'll be very interested to see how steelers fans reacted him. Because I'm not saying that Detroit and Indianapolis fans aren't passionate about football teams but they're not passionate like steelers fans. I mean you know steelers fans treat this like religion so I mean it's it's And they expect our football players to to to treat it the same way and I'm not saying that are doesn't care. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that he's a guy that likes to have fun and he likes to likes to laugh and likes to joke around and if he's playing great that'll never be a problem you know but but I can see how if if he's not then people are going to say. Oh He's not committed. He's not serious this or that. So sometimes you just forget about the personalities that you have to bring fifty three individuals from different backgrounds culturally socio-economically whatever into a locker room. That's where I think this is going to really be interesting. C. T. like Tom. I think Mike Tomlin's the connick guy who can can get the most out of a guy like argue bomb. I think he will know how to handle them. I think that you know have a decent idea how to relate. They're actually not that kind of from the same area a little bit. I mean e- bronze from northern North Carolina So I can see this as being like a Mike. Tomlin taking him under his wing and trying to make that that he tightens everything up kind of situation. That's a really good point. That's a very good point about that. So rich anything you want to throw in there before I circle back to Kevin Circle back of because you you said you wanted to to make sure we touch on the versatility thing that I brought up. Yeah one thing about the Darius screen. Is this granite. Yeah he only played six games but In his six games that he played rothlisberger targeted him over six times a game and he averaged almost seventeen yards a catch in those six games. I mean McDonald's only been targeted about four times. A game and Jesse James was targeted less than three times a game. I think if you give Ben Rothlisberger a guy who can get vertical. Then he'll throw him the football. I mean He. He doesn't like to check the ball down. I mean he he a lot of that stuff to levy on bell because Belle a great receiver. But you don't you. He wants to push the ball down the field or he wants to hit receivers that are on the move and I think he's really gone appreciate having another moves tight end like we thought we all thought we had in green In in terms of that versatility that you were talking about man to double tight empty. That is. That's a nightmare of set for defenses. If you can go double tight empty and because you're forcing a defense to play too high. They have to play too high unless they WANNA go man to man and just bring the house after the quarterback but rothlisburger good against against the blitz. And if you'RE GONNA go to high with with two tight ends on the field you got all sorts of matchup problems underneath and the other thing you mentioned is is there what I mean. I think that's fascinating now. That have watt and Ibran because of the position versatility that that brings I mean what complacent tight end and the chargers. Actually they liked him tight end in the limited snaps that he got. They're kind of like an H. Back right yeah so I mean you might see you might see sets where McDonald what you know McDonalds. You're strong tight. End Waters Your fullback and then Hebron split wider in the slot would you Johnson? And that's you got some you've got some you got run strength and pass strength on the field at the same time and that creates problems for defenses. They gotta make a decision you can't you can't defend at all exactly like last year. Every time we saw seventy two eligible we knew that there was a ninety eight percent chance they were going to be running the ball. So that's just what they did so. Hopefully that won't be the case this year. You brought up a really good point. And I didn't even think about that. And you're right because Larry screen had thirty four targets in his six games thirty four targets in six games. Now he had eighteen receptions from that and you only had one touchdown as a steeler. But but that's that's interesting. Some people are questioning because Yvonne had a fantastic year in two thousand eighteen. And then a drop off in two thousand nineteen. I have my own theory. I want to ask you guys. If you have any thoughts about that before I throw by theory out there rich do you want to do you have anything much? Do you have any thoughts about that before we let Kevin Saving Bart with Kevin Kevin? I don't think he was healthy. I mean last year was the first summer in fight since he pro. So what's that two thousand fourteen? So that was the first summer. He didn't come down to the beach to train with us because he was rehabbing an injury so he was so he was rehabbing an injury in the summer. Which means you probably wasn't quite one hundred percent. When the season starts and then he gets hurt during the year and then. Kinda had a dispute with the colts about how to handle that going forward so you know I mean and then obviously would look retiring. I mean when we for Tara August you know like how much how we think. We had a difficult quarterback situation. I mean imagine now granted. They had a more competent backup. Jacoby percent yes so it is really hard to like rebuild. Your offense around the the next guy on the fly like that so close to the season. I don't know what kind of chemistry Iran perset. Maybe it wasn't so great combined that with health issues and and you know I think I'm not trying to make excuses but I think at the same time you can understand a little bit for the drop off and you want to throw enrich you gonNA reiterate what West put out chet. Wait a minute what you put in less he. I think Getting to see Eric. The biggest thing I think is gonNA play a part for Hebron is not just how he is doing health wise and in his play on the field but Ben Rothlisberger says well. Does Ben Come back from his elbow issue? If we get the Ben were used to and we get yeah. I'm not so worried I I think I think it goes great and ends up being a you know a good move for us. Yeah I I'm not super concerned about the drop off in two thousand eighteen and here not lie here. Here's here's the biggest thing and Kevin. Let's let's see if you agree with this Jack. Doyle that's the number that's the number one tight end for the colts to art and in two thousand eighteen. Two Thousand Seventeen Jack. Doyle was a pro bowler two thousand eighteen. Jackdaw got hurt. He only played in six games. There's an Eric. Braun had thirteen touchdowns playing in Sixteen Games. So he kind of benefited. Because I mean granted when you combine the numbers of Doyle and Ibran in two thousand eighteen thousand nine hundred two thousand nine hundred less. I think that has to do a lot a lot with quarterback play but in two thousand eighteen when you had the good quarterback and he was the option more than doyle Hebron was the pro bowler. Yeah but then last year. Guess what Jack. Doyle's back played in all sixteen games. And Jack Doyle's a pro bowler in two thousand nineteen and Brown Saul Saul. His numbers dropped because of injury and because of another tight end. I don't know the people realized that so much. Is that two thousand eighteen. He kind of exploded but he was the only guy they had at the time. And he had Andrew Luck Ball and you're and he's not having to split it up really between two tight ends. It's basically all you know wonder if he exploded. I don't expect him to have two thousand eight hundred numbers I mean. He had thirteen touchdowns the the the franchise record for touchdowns in a season by Pittsburgh. Steeler tight end is eight by Heath Miller. I mean you've never seen the steelers. Never seen they were close that as touchdowns from a single tight end in the season so I I could see. There was some discussion because I did an article today of okay. If the if the steelers could make anywhere roster moves including the draft. Who's their starting lineups right now. And I listed McDonald in Hebron and I put an astros there and it just happened to be on. Ibran that I'm like depending on the formation. Whether it'd be you have to tight end or the three wide receivers because I listen. Three of them listed a fullback. It's all depend on the the formation of WHO's on the field. I don't know even between the two tight ends which one I would call a starter. Because if they're GONNA start off coming out and trying to run a ball probably will be McDonald if they're gonNA come out on the first play. Try to spread it out. It's going to be abroad. I don't know that bigness starters that import now it's kind of like sub packages on defense. You can you can exactly you can say that. We're we're three four defense and that we have you know Tavon Was a starter or whatever you want. You know what whichever there's three to it. Whatever but yeah but I mean how many snaps do we play in two four five personnel? You know more than more than half so Yeah I think we're going to have a ton of different personnel packages this year. I think that's one area to where we'll see that Canada's value is that he's he's you know renowned for being able to be multiple on offense and Mixes guys so. Yeah I think he Lebron's Garland no too. I mean that he's coming into a situation where he can. He can expect to get thirteen touchdowns thousand yards. He knows he's going to split time McDonnell. He knows the judge is going to be you know. Probably the man in terms of most receptions so I mean if he if he doesn't know that then he's missing. He's missing the boat so this episode is brought to you by. Hp HP knows that small businesses can struggle to find a balance between reaching a broad audience and building enduring customer relationships but HP is here to help. Hp HAS DESIGNED PRINTERS. That can help your small business. Stand out from the crowd with the new. Officejet pro printers. You can print professional quality brochures presentations and more straight from your office without ever meeting printshop and with HP instant ain't printing costs less you can save fifty percent on Inc for your small business with the instinct. Three hundred page plan. You can print anything you want from color presentations to business documents and every page cost the same you'll save up to six hundred dollars a year on original HP INC delivered automatically so you never have to buy cartridges again visit HP DOT com slash. Get Real to learn more about the. Hp officejet pro printer and HP instant INC that's HP DOT com slash. Get Real. Yeah I mean he's just he's GonNa bring something that the steelers haven't had so and I never even thought about it 'til you sat it. I Mike Tomlin might be the right head coach for someone like him. I don't think that it's going to be too much all serious and business. That people might taken the wrong way. I mean look. The team has Juju Smith Schuster Zach. Banner I mean you. Just tell my those guys personality that they're goof-balls so he might fit in very well with with those kind of guys so anything else you WANNA. We're going to wrap up the show. We are doing two shows tonight. I don't know the Kevin can stick around. He's got a lot of family stuff going on. We're just glad you could come in for the Ibran Talk. We're going to talk more about the rest of the steelers roster in the show after this but is there anything you'd like to say here to Kinda summit all up Kevin? Well I'll just address one more thing. Okay he's GonNa drop passes and I'm Joe. Curtains GonNa go nuts. There's going to be posted more about this dude can't catch he's a bust but I mean for what he gives us and for how he opens up the offense and again not just for. I don't think we're going to be able to evaluate Hebron by his stats alone. I think we're going to be able to evaluate him. Also based on the opportunities he opens up for other guys especially in the middle of the field and his ability to draw linebackers out of coverage the poll safeties with them and opened up. Space for other guys is going to be huge and then the the area that. I really think that will see him. especially valuables in the red zone. When you start looking at his film and you know and als- down inside the ten yard line. I mean who's covering them. You know like when teams go to the go to man. They WANNA play zone down there. I mean Benz great again zone. If they're gonNA play you a man who's covering them you know like you watch at twenty eighteen film and look at how many he had nine red zone touchdowns that year led the the NFL Red Zone touchdowns and a lot of them are just jump balls because he's six four and he can jump out of the building so as long as ankles good. Yeah then that's the other thing man. There's there's a big Asterik with him and that's probably why a lot of people rightly so are a little skeptical when you know when they when they think about the signing because the if it's Hilarious greenstreet point Oh it's GonNa be a big disappointment. Hey as long actually dropping balls a hope and he's dropping the balls that everybody forgets about because at times didn't math catch the big cat. Yeah show up big in the big spot if he hears up big in the big spots I can handle a drop here and that's GonNa Fall in love with him right like Donald Macdonald Lebron's got a career. Catch percentage of about sixty to sixty percent and McDonald's is slightly less. He's around sixty one something. So they're about the same. But and that was the Nakal McDonnell company our jobs all these balls but main name probably can't do it on top of your head but I can't think of any ball. Donald dropped in a huge situation. That was really costly so here. Prime Example Juju Smith Schuster has to career fumbles. Yeah we're remember them both we we remember he's known as a fumble because of because of the key game changing situations at which they happened. So that's what that's what. Ibran if he's GonNa drop passes. That's exactly what I think Richard saying. If you to go drop passes you can't dropped. You can't drop the passes like the balls. Juju FUMBLES US. You know one. I've you brought it up if Juju Catchy Juju has thirteen more receptions. Without fumbling a football he becomes the all-time Pittsburgh steelers least likely to fumble receiver with more than two hundred catches. He's already got into our catches. He just needs that many more to to break. I think it was Yancey. Thigpen who only had two fumbles to. Then he would move to more receptions so he's really good at not from the football but that's not what we remember. And that's a great point about Iran. I have two quick questions. I WanNa ask you guys the. Let's go through some I other than Eric Hebron if he is just on the field and like you say that the city is having to pay attention to all that other stuff. What other steeler is going to benefit the most from Abraham being on the field? We'll start with Kevin. It all depends on how how they wanNA use them but again I think he benefits. Those guys that are operating underneath is a Deontay. Johnson is it. Is it in two tight. End Sets isn't MacDonald MacDonald. Now become the crosser the guy who runs those stick routes over the ball. I mean I've always loved Juju across her because he's so big and he's and he's physical with the football by the way that was that was really next level stack. Eek stuff on that That's that you just pulled on Juju. They're pretty good so it's what I do so so. Yeah I mean I don't know who specifically but I have a feeling where that where is going to be just I think we couldn't live in the middle of the field. Last our quarterbacks could not read the middle of the field and then does it wonderfully and now Iran is going to give us more of an opportunity to operate their rich any thoughts on that someone who would benefit from. I'm the home and take the cupboard people I think just adding another real competent receiver that they've got to worry about the secondary helps. Ju Ju yeah that's what I was thinking right off the bat. But I like what Devon Snowden said in the live chat about Ben Rothlisberger just another weapon throat. Yeah I mean. I think that's the obvious. Answer to someone like Jew or the Audio Johnson. I think that's that's really good. As long as they scheme it. Well they just got. It gives you something else to scheme with. And that's what it seems like. The steelers were missing last year. This is the last thing for fun and that is we're going to grade. We'RE GONNA agree this free agent but we're not going to great it the typical way. We're not going to grade it in. Abcd WE'RE NOT GONNA number. We're going to great on a two thousand nineteen scale on a two thousand. Nine hundred. Ninety eight scale is what do you look for broad is he a Steven Nelson signing that. He comes in and then all of a sudden. Wow He's the man is he a mark baron signing which is. Hey someone who came in you know Phil Role? Didn't really needed to move on. You could almost say Johnny Holton interchangeable or is he a Dante mockery signing like even worse than dairy screen. All Man. We're gonNA realize right away that this is this is right for the steelers. So that's your that's your. That's your three ways to grade it. What do you think I? I can't imagine he's going to be a sign again for his got one. Imagine that but I mean I I think a lot of it depends on his health. You know if if he stays healthy he could be Steven Nelson type guy for for the way that he transforms the offense if not it could be a guy that we say after two years you know. Hey you know it just didn't work out exactly the way we thought it would and a lot of that depends on rothlisburger too. I think that those two are linked like like Rick said before you know they're Roethlisberger's health is probably linked to Iraq success in many ways rich. They're well there's two ways you could say this he's I think he's GonNa be you know a barren plus or a Nelson minus income right in between the two somewhere which would be great which which is exactly what we're looking for the foot we went looking for in the signing. We don't need somebody that that blew our socks off as much as Steven Nelson. But I don't want you to become there were times. I felt Barron was out there and doing everything needed into didn't notice them a whole lot. I wanted notice Eric Hebron field. That's a really good way to put it. I feel was a loaded question on loaded it so I'm gonNA give a Dave Answer. I think his I think his floor is mark baron signing with the ceiling being Steven Nelson signing you know that he's going to be somewhere in between if he ends up being something like Mark Barron was. It was kind of a stop gap to something else. It's going to be a little bit disappointing. That's that's GONNA say they're on the low end but he could really come out and you can almost say he's a Steven Nelson because you can't say make a name for himself because he made a name for herself in two thousand eighteen. That's the difference here. That's what people know him. Where Steven Nelson steeler nation didn't even know that was when they made that sighting so I I think it's a big separation there of what it could be so I'm excited to see how it pans out with. Everything Kevin any final thoughts on just life for steelers or anything in general before we let you go. I'm just like everybody else man. I don't know what's next. I'm just ready for things to get back to normal. That may be a little while before that happens. I'm hoping that That this doesn't disrupt you know coming down again and I love the opportunity to talk to them and really you know. Kinda relay some of his thoughts At at and who knows maybe we can get him on the podcast. Any he wants a if he's in the area he makes us down again this summer. I'll definitely hit him up about it. Not See does he know that. You're a steeler fan or anything like that or actually joked around with him. Like man win against the steelers but like but he has no idea that. I can do any of this stuff. So he's got you know. I mean I'm just you know just the local football coach them. So Gotcha Gotcha so we're going to call this a show. Make sure well first of all I got to give the whole spiel. Make sure you stick around for those of you that are with us live on Youtube. We'll be coming back in about five minutes. Definitely Richard. I think Kevin's got to step out to some other things we're GONNA be talking about other other places on the steelers roster. I know you some of Y'all were talking about that in the live chat. So that'll be coming along between five and ten minutes from now for those of you listening. Podcast forum that that podcast is going to release sometime on Wednesday afternoon. If you're listening to this Wednesday morning this one should be around in the afternoon. Make sure you are checking out behind the curtain dot com. Like we said Kevin's got the great article on a lot of stuff with Iran. Coming out tomorrow morning so make sure you're checking. They're getting that plus. We've got lots of other articles on various different things we still got. We've got other news other commentary all kinds of great stuff at buying the steel curtain. And of course we have our family of PODCASTS. That are always coming at you every day. You should see landscape or here Lanson Jeff Tomorrow night. 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The Sedano Show (HR 2)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

41:01 min | 2 years ago

The Sedano Show (HR 2)

"Oh how many times you guys gonna come back with the humpty dance. This is not the humpty dance. Stop it stop it. They're all the humpty dance eric. Qatar brian came in for sodano e._s._p._n. Era so what's going on with your kitchen. What do you mean kitchen problems. Today we again see that was supposed has to be private. There's nothing really issue. Is that a private thing. Kitchen problems stopping to saying that was private. That's between the the three of us knows. I mean it's not like it's we had an issue. There was an issue. I couldn't go until they were done there. You go fix it yeah well. There was nothing to be fixed fixed. Well good yes. It wasn't coming from my house. It was like a scare. There's like a scare yes. There was an odd smell like gas but that's when i can't leave the dog dog in house so but that's okay so explain to me why that needed to stay like private garden. What about that that was so. Why did you help people. It sounds interesting. We've got two hours and forty-five minutes. There was a problem in the kitchen sounds interesting somehow we can't we gotta get. Coleman's says who hours well. That's just going to happen. There was an issue but it's solvents a non-issue. Everyone's here now. Yes and the house is still standing. I'm glad altering rowdy me again. I don't know if that was every time we do a show. The real private stuff. I think has stayed private. How do what do i have to say in confidence layers duathlon awesome off-the-record toll. You told me a story that i was only one hundred percent knock and repeat. What's okay never mind about dad whatever it is right okay. You can tell it if you would like i am. I don't even want to know. I know it's much more personal than kitchen problems banks. It could be anything funny when you listen to that thirty for thirty podcast and monitors. Momo does a great job. What does that bring up in. Can you because it's not him. I guess he's kind of hating is not heating on you at all personally. Yeah i mean donald sterling doesn't hate you. He doesn't dislike you. He wasn't talking about you. He wasn't bringing easy you. I still have the capacity to be offended by it. I just there was a part whereas the the guy who broke the story <hes>. I can't remember the name tim z yeah yeah. He has the blast now and he said it was like the most disgusting thing he'd ever heard and i'm like well as he talking about you the european rival here's the thing like when the guy from t._m._z. talks about it being the most disgusting thing he's ever i. I don't know but i mean is. He saying that because it's virtue virtue signaling is he saying is it really was the most disgusting thing he's ever heard i just when i hear people say like when they hear things like that like the tape of donald sterling saying these racist things and they say it's disgusting ninety five percent positive you feel that way but there's part of me. That's saying well. Why do you feel it's disgusting. He's not talking about you. Here's here's the thing the this the racism that donald sterling expresses on this look don't play i. There's okay because it doesn't it doesn't uplift anyone doesn't but it's it's it's almost. I don't mean this in an offensive. It's almost cartoonish in. It's obvious like just like blatant. Racism like seriously like it's so like on the nose racist you're granted. He didn't realize he was being these. Were ever going to be heard by anybody. Else is that why is that an excuse because i heard it's not an excuse but it's excuses to why set out loud. Most people don't say those things out loud at all because they worry he he had no vision of any of this ever being heard by anybody else use. It's shocking because you so rarely see anybody. Get that unvarnished. I even like white. Nationalists rarely speak in terms that blatant. Why are you associating associating with black people right. You don't have to have your photo. You can go bleep them. You can do it but you make you. You hurt my reputation. You hurt your reputation by being scene with them. Why do you have to picture with the zuid. Every scene with the shocking part is to be as to hear somebody be so honest to say the quiet part out allowed okay fair enough and so my big my big reaction to it was always why is is it taking this when we talked to remote about it people knew donald sterling ratio long history of discriminatory practices in his real estate and the the we we knew the weird stories and he was an exceedingly weird person like if you go cover clipper games and all that it's like the guy wasn't a a secret but it was sort of tolerated like steve talks mason as racist uncle chuck. Let you just sort of everybody's like yeah like he's kind of a racist. They didn't know i had a i was a season ticket holder for two years back in the sand castle. L. brande's fun fun team right <hes> they were close to beating earning was at phoenix something like that sam zell walk the ball up. It was one of those deals. I i had no idea of after i bought the tickets. Then people started started to fill me in. It's much different than sport. Thank you ever that was <hes> but no seriously they started to fill me in later and then i felt dirty about it like i hear you wouldn't have given him your money. I had not not even close yeah. It's it's it's it's an amazing example of sort of what is tolerated in what people why was donald donald sterling. No longer tolerated a because it was tear. It would have been terrible for the n._b._a. Business was made public and it was made public. Why was ray rice not tolerated but <hes> <hes> the the guy from the cowboys. <hes> you know the guns on the bed. L. greg hardy right. Why was he well. No video well. They said ray was at the yeah but that's also to write ray rice not to be quite as good but the fact that there was video of it changed it entirely what what made the guy in the hotel room in a hotel hallway the chiefs guy. I think it was <hes> oh oh <hes> the running back yeah yeah. I know what you mean. There was video. Yes there was video. Yes okay this stuff. Think decree did you did you do sound smart. No you just about right in and and say yeah people like me. There's video two and a half thousand sleep. You don't want me to just sit here and fumble for the name kareem hunt for like four hours when you say kareem hunt feel free to just jump right in there's video there's video right and to hear sterling say what what i would love to see is is what happens when it isn't quite so cartoonish when it isn't somebody that you want out of the game when it is an owner that is otherwise good for the game when it is a an an executive or whatever it might be like the easy thing to do is to throw donald sterling out of the league. There's no downside donald sterling out of the n._b._a. But the the stuff that comes after like what mark cuban was worried about the precedent that's set. I and i get his point. I do and i don't. I don't think he meant it in a donald is good for our game kind of way but it's like we all have stuff and be careful about it because your stuff could be pretty bad too yeah. They can take away your car for language. You know what i mean yeah. Where how good are we going to be as kind of a sports parts consuming society when it's a little bit tougher and i think the short answer to that is for me is not very good. We tolerate right greg hardy of the world world. We don't tolerate the colin kaepernick's of the world true for now that type of thing so we draw these very arbitrary lines based on this is convenient for us or not well. This is funny. You've been doing radio all week. It's only tuesday. I'm sorry i lost my i. I'm waiting for the talking talking heads of the world to convince me that jay z becoming an owner in the n._f._l. Is bad convince me on why this is a bad thing because i know your people are going to try. I i read on the internet that this is a band out capper nick i this is this is not a story. That's going because like i've been new wrinkles. In terms of jay z wait a minute now all of a sudden. He's going to be an owner as opposed to just bring his rap albums in partnership yeah well okay. That's an interesting you see. You're talking about later like the stuff that's in his lear. That's what i'm saying. Do you bring up the stuff that he said in the past now you know it's asked that question next sodano show demarco branka manetzky and e._s._p._n. Alex makes me want to take my shirt off our go now. We're cool yeah. I wish i had heroin chest. Who is that lady. It ever answered that question. Who is it rhetorical wow so donald show branka manetzky demarco far in for george on vacation this week. I never wear a shirt. If i just i wouldn't i would want tops. I think so cool who'll come on seventies bell-bottoms. No i get it yeah well. Not what about today right now. If i had hair on my chest i would like show it off cool. I do see who wants to hide that wants to see my chest excellent radio well. There's other things there's other things that need to be hidden. If i suppose the chester and leave out other things maybe <hes> but anyway see mike is a big deal okay. We'll bring that we'll get there losing using a linebacker. He's starting inside linebackers big deal in a great tease about about. It's not all about the lakers. It's a month now. We're we're getting a couple other teams celeste how wonderful question about jay z and ownership and all this kind of stuff <hes> and he's taking a lot of flack like jay jay z. partnering up with the n._f._l. And the front of the pro cabinet crowd yes for example. Eric reed who is <hes> obviously had his own struggles. Does i think staying in the league based on his <hes> stance on kneeling and things like that he had this to say about jay z for one taking a knee to come out and tell us that we're passing fascinating. Yes he's done. A lot of great works on a lot of great social justice work for you to get paid to go into the n._f._l. Press conference to i'd say we're passing again adding on players coalition two point zero. He got paid to take the bullets that he's taking now because we're not having it not going to disagree with a lot of a lot of the jay. Z. should not become an owner he should this. This should not happen. I what's the solution mr reed. I think this is one of the the gets to what you were talking about before like yeah when you have a setup of a situation where you're kind of the problem is now out there and expose the issue is out. I've i worked really hard. The people the anti-capitalistic crowd did a great job of getting people to use the shorthand or hand of anthem protest to talk about it as if the implication being you're protesting the national anthem which is not what was going on there protests for social justice that take place during the national anthem argue about right place wrong place right time rom time but described them accurately and so even people who were sympathetic get caught in the shorthand. The thing that i thought was really fascinating about the jay z. said it's about eleven time i've used that phrase. Stop okay go ahead is when he said like com cabinets not getting another job in the n._f._l. I think it's a i think it's a stain on the lease that eve essentially he's like e- essentially so they didn't literally say that but it's true he's not coming back there. There's nobody at this point. Who's gonna give colin kaepernick job as a quarterback in the n._f._l. He's been out for three years at this point. He says nothing thirty two years old still young but it's it he can still play that may be but at this point now. It's all self fulfilling. He's been out of the league too long. We haven't seen them play. We don't know if he could hold up. He's getting a little bit older all the stuff that when they were so well he's been out for six months like really that's what you're saying that newsbeat s back then that was totally non not defensible. Now it's bs. Maybe it is kind of defensible and so he's not there's just he's not knocking to get another job. See i think i think you'll be back. I don't i think he'll be back at some points. I just i disagree and help if you put him in washington right now in a fair competition with the quarterback they have. He's your starter. You can say that about at least ten would love to see that and it's a stain on the n._f._l. Yeah no team has given that opportunity to be like you know what greg hardy came back and do it right. Rothlisburger came back and played. I your josh gordon is back in the league time ah yes you're preaching to the choir. I'm just saying i think he'll be back at. I hope i wish but i just don't think i don't think it's going to happen in the league michael sam time michael sam drafted yes. Yes you know so. These things do happen by tied. Let's assume that he doesn't okay the point of what do you do next. How do you who am i ever will like what is what is what comes next. This is jay z's basic point. How'd you what is is the next step. How do you decouple wow put pudding really making progress on social issues and holding the n._f._l.'s feet feet to the fire and these things that players believed to be important right with does colin kaepernick have a job because their questions are not the same without related because without that you probably don't get jay z ownership question. That's so the wayne right now right but what we've been two years from now. He's gonna be thirty four four years from now. He's gonna be thirty six and thirty six year old guy who hasn't played professional football and five or six years. He's not coming back so but you still want that 'cause if players still believe in it in one one to further the the right yeah. How how how do you make those things become at least somewhat separate so the n._f._l. Can be held accountable for what do you do next verses. This is is colin kaepernick play well. I don't have all the answers. I don't know. I'm listening to everyone but i'm willing to see what jay as he's going to do. I don't think he's just in this for money period. I don't believe that because that's what people are saying. He's a capitalist. He the only cares about money. Can't you do both yes. You can and that's what i'm saying. I give this a chance to work. Let's let's give this at least a year to see what he does. I think short term are taking these short-term hit the n._f._l. Is taking the long term risk because oh man if jesse like two years from now rock nation walks away from this going. These guys are not holding even a little bit of the bargain that they that. They promised his like the idea really walk away from ownership. Can you know but you can walk away from this partnerships. How go on team somewhere else alone an n._b._a. Team own alone something else like he. He's jay. Z. can probably put together whatever ownership group he wants but people are watching hip like he's being held accountable by multiple communities to make sure that he isn't you know to use the expression selling out to the n._f._l. For money and and if he if the perceptual be very damaging to him and so the league is taking a risk of being like okay i these they really are a a bunch of you know a good ole boys who aren't interested in we'll see communities yeah. We'll see we'll see how it works out but just give it the chance the workout you don't shoot it down already that that's what bothered me all of a sudden. This is a great thing. This is a dream come true for a lot the people right yeah fernando paul. You're on with demarco and brian. Hey <hes> so this <hes> the whole thing with <hes> with jay easy thing <hes> the j._v. eric read little feud. I think it was more the comment saying what beyond nearly that just be little what eric reed kenny stills are continuing your data. You're exactly right. That's that's kind of what i'm getting at though and i think what she was saying and i don't think you said it well was what the question of what's next. What do we do now say we. The protests have been made. The issues are out on the table. What comes next that isn't related to colin capper nick having a job and and i think at least go ahead for an actual that's where we think he said and we're hoping that's what he met so he you know i mean he can easily come out and be the bigger person and say joe. I i didn't mean that what they did was great. What they continue to do is great. You know to give a voice to those who don't have a voice out there for those like erica garner who got murdered <hes> and there's no justice out there for them. You know i it would be great and i gotta help bridge the her communication. Thanks for what's good about this is that everyone is watching everyone and i. I don't think we we live in an age anymore. Demarco where people are just gonna be like in in six months like forget. The jay z. in the n._f._l. Are involved in checking on this. I think we live in an age now. Where people are going me to keep looking what i hope that what i hope to have happened is jay z and colin kaepernick actually come together. I think that would solve a lot for a lot of it'd be help. Yeah i mean and i think that's the the the last hurdle and i think that is possible and i know it was a stupid rat beef but i never thought i'd see jay z. House on the same stage and i did me neither right so no. I'm just saying <hes> right now. You're it's colin. Kaepernick's camp versus jay z but if they merged together and capture nick actually goes along with jay z then. I think that would that would go a long way yeah for a lot of people i it's. It's a it's a it's. It's just going to be really interesting like i said so. You'd have to convince me why this is a bad thing. I'm not sure it is me either but the accountability issue is why. I think people want to make decisions now and i i to me. That is something that really indicates something potentially positive thing. Everybody wants to hold people count. I heard the pittsburgh steelers. Did you hear the same thing minority ownership in the pittsburgh steelers. I heard that read that recently yeah which shocked me the steelers <hes> that's the one of the blue bloods i would think so <hes> also that and demarco far has very important rams news from this preseason legitimately important that has an influence on how effective this rams team is going to be despite the fact. That seems like nothing's going on something is we'll tell you what it is next. <hes> came in at skeet far e._s._p._n. Alec mamas bama's mamas mamas sodano show e._s._p._n. Brian demarco far in for georgia's on vacation this week so the rams are playing denver this weekend. Nobody's going to be playing these ignore. What happens on the field and i've watch watch maybe thirty seconds of the two preseason games because i don't recognize any of the players you need to watch me. I don't think i do. I don't really think i do <hes> but that doesn't mean anything what is happening. Actually there has been an important development on the rams defense yet mike accuser the the projected starting inside linebacker tore his pectoral muscle. That's gotta hurt right. I would think yeah. I think from what i think it was whitney. Whitney mercilus had one and he was out for six months or more and there's another guy that just had one that was on defense. I can't remember his name. Oh dante high tower from the patriots torres pack in two thousand seventeen miss. It's the rest of the year so <hes> you'd have to say that. Injury is going to keep him out for pretty my while two thousand nineteen and he's one of those he's sort of the equivalent last year of like cory littleton like a guy didn't necessarily expect or didn't really drag it out. They drafted him for depth. <hes> he was on special teams played really well there and this was his first opportunity to actually lisa step into that because mark baron moved on to pittsburgh so expected to start now that he's out bryce hager steps in you know a guy that's been in the league for five years and i can't can't remember i think he may have started one or two games after look that up by special teams guys been adept guy is his entire career so hasn't been a frontline guy <hes> so he's he's going to be your starter as of right now or at least he's out in front. Does that change of like do you start looking at who gets waved at the camps and stuff like that mason recent fosters name had come up. He was released out of washington. He's a tough guy inside linebacker. That name has come up but i think they have guys on the roster that they'd like to give a look to. I yeah dakota. Allen is a guy they like he was you drafted him. Just draft him. I thought he was the best player on the field in hawaii for the rams defense especially especially in the fourth quarter a lot of big hits their guy named the trez patrick who played at georgia had some problems there went undrafted should have been drafted but the off the field stuff kind of knocked him down the draft board. He's a tough physical guy that can play inside outside so there might be some candidates that are already on the roster that they're gonna look to. I what when your fifth year guy hi and you know obviously good enough staying league special teams and all that kind of stuff but never really good enough to do the other things you might play get a couple of reps during the game in the regular defense or whatever whatever how often is that because you're just not quite good enough to be a defensive player and how much of it is that you just never got the opportunity -tunities always somebody in front of you is certain guys just aren't quite good enough. They're good enough well. You're in the middle like mark baron. They made the trade and they moved into linebacker. It didn't matter you. It didn't matter how you were going to play as soon as he was healthier ready to play. Mark bernes going back. Cory littleton is a guy that you competed with and beat you out. I think that happens more often but we're not to where you're in the mix for the job and you get beat out by another guy but if you're never but if you're never good enough to step into a starting role yeah it means you have to be really good on specialty specialties which i'm sure he is but that means that would say to me that the rams need to look around like if you have a guy who has sort of been kind of your replacement placement level linebacker. Give them a shot. Let him play. Let him play to see what you have. He could surprise you happens a lot when you have a really good secondary which they have i mean the secondary's no doubt and the front four still should be pretty good. Well yeah you have the best player in the game that helps house the the rookie nose tackle. The sebastian joseph day sues replaced coming along coming along you know taking his beats. He's <hes> you know. He's he's learning learning on the job and fowler saint we we haven't seen them in in a game yet <hes> but foul camp yeah yeah. He's looked spectacular in camp because this is a big year for him contract year so you have in theory still a really strong front brocker still there donald and matthew in guy to step up a really good secondary littleton and played well last year and i think surprised a lot of rubble yeah pretty good how good your linebacker need to be <hes> better. E the biggest knock on the rams. Defense was run defense. You know and we talked about that going into camp last year. They have a couple of light in the pants inside linebacker so if the guys up front the aeronautics the indomitable zoos there if they don't hold guys up and you get people in front of those lighting the pants linebackers. They're not going to be able to get off in theory. The ideas like these guys are opening opening up so all you have is ball-carrier linebacker. One on one linebacker makes us stop right and but yeah can't right if you're free to the football they'll make every tackle but but if and this is marc maron little if they're free to the ball they'll make every tackle on the field but if you get guys in their face it's tough for them to get through because they're not big like people mark. Barron is a blown up safety. <hes> cory littleton has been described as made of water. Which is why block every right. You know what i mean. That's great for for punt hunt but when you told me that you should be able to have guys unblocked and not be able to block upon yeah if the operation is sound yes that was i the never heard that before yeah sniff out mazing they see if you step right step correctly like you're supposed to even touch them. They can't get it. They absolutely can why does it get screwed up so so much when you create space if you're gonna end good coordinators can find ways to create space and they got one they find the turnstile they find the pigeon they find the the fish on the punt protection team and make that guy jumped where he shouldn't jump and then you get somebody home. So how likely are you to notice the difference here because ali now you're going from well not hager. I mean <hes> mike kaiser in addition to being good the guy that they wanted to start also a really smart dude. You know intelligent jinking run. You know the understand that the most people thought miss kim being standing there every day locker because he's really a good guy to talk yeah how. How much does this hurt them. It's going to hurt them. Because he's the guy they were grooming to be the starter so now you have to get someone else ready to play but that that's what i mean bryce hager can step right in because they were also grooming him for competition for that job but here's the thing you might actually get better. You may unleash someone you weren't expecting like eighty. Code hollywood probably not bryce hager. It's probably that other guy who steps it'd be him as well look if you lost a linebacker last year. He's the first guy you put on the field bryce acre. That's got that's how much you like him and trust him. So it's the same thing this year. He had a chance for the job. They didn't decide who was going to be the starter just yet. You're still competing so you just lost. The kaiser was winning one in one day so you lost one now. One eight steps i price hey we'll see anything. Absolutely the lakers have a decision to make demarco and they have a lot of old people from which they are choosing dwight howard. Don't make that sound might be a good idea guy. Which are we getting the one. That's afraid to kobe well. Hopefully he's gone that was so disappointing seven feet tall men. Can you bring them back. It'll be back no duane how e._s._p._n. Toco far brian kamensky in four sodano sodano on vacation this week demarco. You'll be back later in the week right. I think we're gonna see again right. I think so. I'm not sure i yes so it is my hope my kitchen i hope yeah everything's turned over there. <hes> my problem kim today none of food in it <hes> you the grocery made grocery stores. I know time to go all right so the the the whole demarcus cousins thing yeah really messed up the lakers big-time bad for him. I do too yeah. It's hard to find a lot of guys who have lost more money. I realized demarcus cousins rich fine. Whatever potentially your your your life doesn't change you out there. Listener person doesn't change like because demarcus cousins would might have earned another two hundred million in dollars right. You can still feel bad for the guy even though he's already got more money probably than you do. I have to say he's done like you think he's done. Italy's quad nie nie like that sort of vulgar naturally pod like this is all there is dr kleiber call that when we had him on like these are we're all connected things and how you come back. It'll be thirty when he comes back not third okay. Can't you go to germany like kobe and you know the promise the petri dish the differences like cousins guy who was freakishly athletic sort of incentive for that for that size right and so you know it doesn't take much. You've been there tomorrow. It doesn't take much to come back to the field a little bit later you still averaged sixteen and a half you know eight rebounds two and three assists nisa game last year in twenty five minutes. He was still effective n._b._a. Player last year but the difference between that guy and the guy who was set up four time all-star with sacramento and was is going to be a max player in the league two hundred million dollar contract. You know it's it's okay to feel bad for the guy it sucks. It's really sad these. These guys work really really hard to do what they're doing. Work is but off to try to get back on the floor with golden state. Got hurt again worked his butt off. Try to be back for the finals had never played playoffs. All i wanna do is play. The playoff championship or championship right you know is e- hothead is he sure video of him in sacramento you i saw the video how like how you heard him so it was not on don contest how he has happened though could lower always not contact. I remember shek said something like <hes>. He hurt his left. Ankle winning hurt his right. It's just starts to fall to the end. It's not a coincidence. Beginning of the end for kobe was the achilles. Well you come back and the need quite work right it. Just everything isn't as strong strongest needs to be in all of those things that you said. It's like a chain. They all worked together and when that starts to break. It's usually it's brandon roy and you just have a the need that just blows up and you can't get it right again or it's bill walton. You have a bad foot sambu same thing it's but like all of it you tear quad uterine achilles uterine a._c._l. Those are three of the worst injuries you can get. How bad was arvydas sabinas back in the day. In terms of injury wise is is you can still get something out of a big yeah. You're listening kiss me on the sandos. It's different now than it used to be. A straight sarang bonuses basically a statue at that point right when yeah yeah who could score and it really could use past and but the the pick and roll game the spread floor game like a guy likes bonus would couldn't play but <hes> it leaves the lakers in a terrible position because to me at least would differentiate between <hes> some of the other two star teams was via the demarcus cousins various be kind of all star adjacent by the time you know the playoffs around that so now you the three big real legitimate big three and you have called kunsman. You've danny green and you the the roster doesn't seem quite so top heavy anymore. Now you take your uh-huh cousins away from that and it's a._d. And it's lebron james and then who's the third best players a cow kuzina. I think it i would have to be okay. You're okay with that right. I mean kyle kuzma as third best player if lebron a._d. Or your the best you can you might be able to but he's got to be better than he was last year. He can't shoot thirty percent three anymore. It's gotta be better defensively. Gotta move the ball a little bit more. It's got to be more reliable in that way. You know danny green was amazing toronto last year but the version of him for the two or three years before in san antonio and it sounds stupid stupid to be critical when he only shot like thirty eight or thirty nine percent from three which for the lakers last year would have been like steph curry. There's forty five forty six which is what he was. Is this year if he backtracks all sort of san antonio version when people were kind of wondering if he was done that's that's bronco player but i'd never consider him a part of a big three no no. He's too limited what he does. He's a shooter in great remain true one hundred percent embodiment of what you talk about absolutely say great signing love that they have him if he's your third best player because kaku isn't about this is team. You know kuzma's gotta step up with you. Had cousins was such a luxury that on the nights where you know a._d. Sits load management lebron sits. You have a guy who could go in there and even if he's not star demarcus cousins so now you got to figure out what to do and it's joking noah. It's you know kenneth for read. They kick the tires. Maybe i'm marsha cortott. Who's playing him. Pull shame yeah the polish hammer hammer great nickname. I thought he was great. When he backed up dwight howard it was also you know he was really good. He's i think he's thirty five thirty six k getting a little took. The big deal where was orlando have been orlando okay yeah. He didn't move around right. Okay the other obvious name it's out. There is who our been there done that yes yeah did not go. Well no different team now. Different everything different everything so basically but but i don't jimmy bus is still there right. The bus kids are still there. Although albeit in much different and more important roles <hes> kobe's agent agent is still there but not koby not koby. Yes training staff is different. Coaching staff is different so maybe dwight howard players on because it was real disappointing his run here uh-huh yeah yeah real disappointed. I wasn't statistically it. Was i mean i particularly coming up backstage averagely. He led the league in rebounding that nobody remembers. If that guy still exists led the again rebounding his last year. He played nine games in in washington the year before in charlotte he played. I wanna say eighty average about seven sixteen points. Twelve rebounds shot about fifty six years and that guy is still out there then yes by all means. He needs it definitely now yes but i just do you trust him at all. After what you've seen here in laker land see you don't you're pausing you. Don't trust. I tell you what my bigger problems with. Dwight are less about what happened with the lakers acres because that was a different guy that was dwight howard who was still thought of himself as a superstar who is still viewed as a superstar because we didn't know what the back surgery was going to do to. We didn't know okay what was coming. When the lakers got dwight howard it was like damn. They got another star to put next to kobe right. It is lights out. It is going to be you know another championship. V-chip kobe's can get one more before this over great work dr bus. It's exactly what i was thinking so everyone was revisionist history. It's stupid trade that no you every you say that. I'm disappointed in him right. Yeah he came he was he was the the all the stuff that disappointed was like what came after he just couldn't play with kobe like he was mentally laughably. Lee ill-suited workers you paul ghazal is for the new mentally just he just andrew bynum is it's tougher than you and not just kobe for a fan base that one hundred percent was behind kobe's worldview. Yes so you're you're not gonna get a break from the fans. Not everything dwight said was wrong. It's like look guys. I'm playing hurt here. It wasn't supposed to a christmas. I started opening night. I got a torn labrum. I read in yeah yeah but like in the kobe world. You don't talk about that stuff kobe kinda. Would you always knew when kobe was hurt but kobe worked through that stuff. You don't complain about don't talk about you. Say why don't blame your performance on people grabbing your arm. You don't walk around the locker room showing people your box going why i only got five have shots right that stuff you don't not roll on a pick and roll because shack calls you out of the beginning of the year and says you're not a real l. center if his pick and roll guy right like i agree with god bless you sleep people look at him like he's a moron but like you look at these numbers and dwight howard was the most effective role guy in the n._b._a. They went out and got him the greatest pick and roll point guard steve nash and that was another thing didn't work out for all kinds of bad luck and whatever steve nash was still a pretty good player still all star like you put that guy the greatest pick and roll point guard out there with our work doc we roll why doesn't shack calls him out and says you're a big baby like be real senate. Real sims get the ball posted put chat moves aww and so two white wooden role while go to your job and just rolling in so like he wasn't always fair. That really really can't hurt you. You know it's just words white was dwight was is always been kind of an insecure guy so what if shackles after again well. This is what i don't trust trust. This is what i mean but now he's toby superstar anymore but he still do white howard. He's just not a superstar us this okay so i don't think he's i think he's going wanna be sensitive when he says he's not he says he will. He's going to be sensitive but he says he's a change guy. The ego is gone. He doesn't need to be a star. The focal point and look. I mean sounds good. He's trying to get a job bob anywhere so obviously you can't say like i need my time on the floor. I i need my space table here. Make joining tea with lebron james and anthony davis. They told me they fixed. 'em tvos throwing motion right right and as soon as the ball snapped he went back to his old stuff so yeah sounds good the white howard i i the lakers figure out what they need and i'm ki i we've been doing a lot of this on. Twitter and fans are still very much. Noah's health we take a couple of calls on this right yeah and seven seven seven e._s._p._n. If you're okay with white because it's not just the skill set i think i think the lakers are working out no other working out howard. They're working out space this week. Reportedly <hes> woge have that out. I'd love if they can manage to do it without losing some of their options. I'd love to see them. Go into camp. Champ plays do some scrimmaging figure out what you need because the best player quote unquote may not be the best fit you what you really need is fit at this point not the best. There's nobody out. There is going to carry you and be like the difference mirror. Dwight's probably the best player if he's healthy average against seventeen i yeah i think i had to look at that bears out <hes> but who's the best teammate who's the best fit who's the approach dwight is. Can you put him next to lebron james anthony davis. I don't think so because that's don't you think boras just as demanding as kobe demanding shoe. It's a it's. It's you dwight. Just gonna stand there and clog things up he can't you can't put them out. I can't pick and pop can't shoot he. He's not gonna roll even charlotte. He wouldn't role in charlotte. That's the part of the reason they got rid of him. Charlotte is because he wouldn't roll. You didn't want to be a pick and roll guy so he's not going to do it then. You can't put them next to davis and james. He's the berry this shack thing it. Just just be who you are. You gotta accept what you're going to see the one of the smartest. They're not a center how about that. One of the smartest pieces of advice advice that anybody ever told me was in this world. It's not just how you perceive yourself. You have to understand how others perceive you fair so you can be you can believe like i am. This talented radio host. I'm as talented writer. I deserve x y and z but you had to get there. You have to understand what people think about you you and why you may not you know and how that impacts why you may or may not be getting there and then you also have to think about. Are they right. Maybe they know something about the way you operate that you don't but there's another problem with with <hes> dwight howard the reason psychologists make a lot of money right right there. There's another problem with dwight howard what i'll tell you what it is next make. Some of your calls eight seven seven seven ten e._s._p._n. Are you okay with widen l._a. Demarco firebrand communists e._s._p._n.

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The Standard is the Standard: Is Terrell Edmunds the long-term solution at safety for the Steelers?

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The Standard is the Standard: Is Terrell Edmunds the long-term solution at safety for the Steelers?

"Welcome back listeners to another episode of behind the Steel Curtain. Dot coms. The Standard is the standard and to my left. We have Michael Beck. What's Mike Oh not too much just another `nother summer. Dad finally feels out here on the West. Coast finally got some Sun my way. How `Bout yourself lands. It's the weather's getting nice. No complaints here i. have that live that you have on I'm thinking about getting a new steeler lead. They came out with some new sidelined lids. That I might I might get because that's probably going to be the closest that I get to sideline this year, so I might as well have a sideline lid. Oh Yeah I saw it. It's pretty nice. Designer I'm enjoying the stuff they're coming out with. This year might have to put a dent in the the old credit statement there. We might. We might do that before we jump into the programming on this show. We have a special guest. We're going to bring in our special guests Nick Fair Baugh and we're going to bring him in a little bit later. We're GONNA. Talk About Terrell at Minsk. Because the title of this show is the curious case of. Rail Edmonds is Terrell Edmonds of bust. I know how he'll. And? I know how you feel Mike and we're going to get a film breakdown of that, but before that. If you want to contribute to the program, we always have the Super Kathy. You can do it that way, but we would prefer. We prefer that if you WANNA do that, but always likes the program always subscribe spread the word before we jump into the show and give a big shoutout to the editor in chief Dave Scofield. We also want to give a shot off. Big Bro Sco! WHO's bad? Brian Anthony Davis, we also. Also WanNA. Give a shout out to Tony Deaf and to Jeffrey Benedict. Who Does an outstanding job with film breakdown? Before we get to that interview why Asha Question Mike? Were you surprised that? But to predate not come to a long term deal today on the dated franchise tags were due to be to honestly not at all the second, he found that grievance for that extra two million dollars to me. It just The alarm started going off saying all right now now now now that this is what he's asking for He won't be trying to work his way to make two million dollars more. If something long term was in the works so once that grievance was Kinda, thrown out there, it both him Shaq Barrett. I'm like okay. These guys aren't aren't even in the realm of this deal getting done so it's not surprising to me and then coupled out with the drafting Altai Smith third round there. I feel all the writings completely on the wall for the the very end of the. Pre in Pittsburgh era. I. Don't disagree, but you know things are weird. These times are weird. You never know and I've always been taught men. If you don't ask you, don't get so You gotta ask if they're willing to give it to you. If you win the grievance, maybe you'll get it. I'm not sure I've got to reach out to some guys that I know that played. I have no idea how the NFL settles the Grievance. I mean you decide did a fantastic job at trying to break down what he's considered. But but I. don't know I mean if you stand up a majority of the time. I mean. Are you a defensive in? No, so I don't know how that happens or how people do are how how the league comes to that determination. I would think that you'd probably lose. And you know, but who knows it's it's. It's an extra two million to him if he wins course that would be an impact on the salary cap, because the salary cap would decrease by the the difference in the cap numbers, because all that has to be accounted for the steelers have the space so it'd be. It would be cap space that they lost, but before we get to the interview me as you more. More question jurors will report. That came out in Philadelphia that the Phillies as well as the eagles will no longer have fans in the stands for the the baseball season as well as the football season. What do you think how how would that impact the steelers in Pittsburgh in the western part of state? You think that will be the distraught breaks. The camel's proverbial back and other teams proceed that way thoughts. Thoughts Mike On. You know I think once once something. We were talking about on our air here. The owners are a little selfish when it comes to money if if someone's not able to make it, then, they're probably not hoping the guy next to him does but if there's some way that they could profit share amongst the entire League for those revenue gates and I suppose that's possible that the other. Other owners might be okay with the those states that are doing a little bit better. krona virus numbers wise than possibly there could still be some teams that have the fans in the stands, but I feel like we're definitely training towards what is happening there in Philly and seeing something along the lines of a very limited or none in the way of fans in the stands in twenty twenty. I mean the one thing I've learned in watching the football for the last I. Mean I'm fifty years old. I turned fifty this year. Some say I've been watching football. Or accurate remember for about four years I. mean the NFL is one for competitive balance, and they tried to make sure that that exists beyond our around the league. and. I just can't see a scenario in which. the Eagles won't have fans in the stands, but you go to Dallas and there's a hundred and fifty thousand fans. That will that. That's not fair from a competitive balanced perspective so. Unless you can have fans in all stands, I. Don't know if you're GONNA have fans in any stands, and I think right now in Florida Texas Arizona and California specifically. That's probably about ten teams I think that is really impacting the ability for fans to be there in the fall so I am again in the in the area of I. Don't think they're going to be fans, so it was interesting that PHILADELPHIA, and being a really big market team that they announced so early that they're just not gonNA. Do it and so. You know we'll see I. You know if you want to go to. If you WANNA go to games in the fall, in might be the fall of twenty twenty one unfortunately. But we'll see, but don't want to spend too much time and just shift to the interview, and I want to bring in our special guest. Nick Fair by Nick. Welcome to the program. Thank you guys for having me on It's a pleasure to be here with you guys tonight. And what we wanted to do was to break down because I've done a couple of shows with our own Jeffrey Benedict, where we did a breakdown of Mak- Fitzpatrick, we also did a breakdown of the gentleman who Mike is wearing a Jersey of Devon Bush we talked about that individual. That's a nice, crispy White Jersey and by the way I. I like. The White Jersey a little bit better than a Black Jersey. Please don't kill me on the live chat. I'm a fan of the the white and a gold pants and if they do. I was hoping they go all white with the color. Rush. That's me. I would love it. They go all white with the color rush, but we wanted to bring nick into breakdown to rail at men's. In the curious case of Terrell at means Terrell at Mrs impacted his ability to football play as a player in the steeler fan base is one of great controversy, so we wanted to bring you on. You Watch a ton of Fan. We wanted to get a film in the football perspective of the player, so the first question I. WanNa ask you just simply what are his strengths and his weaknesses as a football player as you watch him in dissect him Ville. Yeah I mean I. think that he has a very very key witness. That is ball skills so you see him just the ball very very very often. The David Johnson touchdown. Arizona is the big one that I will point to on, but there are norm numerous examples where he misses interceptions, he doesn't even get may splash plays. He's had one reception and one fumble recovery over his first two years. Two turnovers forced. You need more in the modern. NFL from the SAFETIES. You need more than two forced by your strong safety. That's just something you have to do. But. I will say his strengths all come in mainly the physical department. He's a great athlete. A great athlete I'm coming Down Hill. He is very very fast and explosive these quick and agile, so he's a fluid mover. at like the flexibility has so. He's able to flip his hips Amir with even quick receivers played pretty well against Tyler Lockett when he faced him in week two against Seattle so that was a pretty good matching for him. and you will see him. Stop guys like Cooper Cup out of the. The slot, he's a consistent in man coverage because he's overaggressive so he will get baited by double moons at times, so it's a discipline issue. There the one area I really liked to see the improvement from this year, though was the instincts, and really reading the the offense I think he got a better feel for the game out there and I thought he was using his athleticism to a bigger degree, and that's why registered zoning eccles I think last year. He's around the football all the time because he was seeing. Seeing the well, and I think that's something that really is nice. See from him, you know a strong run fills. It was in an coverage was in zone. Coverage is anticipating routes on even as sears more complex seen last year, because always been more talent, they have the more. They disguised their coverages I think Edmonds actually did pretty well in that role on I think he did pretty pretty nice there, but also it's. It's the finish. This kind of what I talked about on twitter it. Edmonds is good throughout the process it's. It's just it's the finish that hurts him. He misses too many tackles. He Must I think thirteen or fourteen tackles last year, twelve percent of his tackles He missed twelve percent of them. So that's not good to see from a guy. That is your strong. Safe your box, safety and again he's not making plays. He shaky man coverage, so there's certainly areas. Terrell, Edmonds Astro improve upon I think he did improve like I said, but yeah. There's a lot that he has to work on as a safety. So, my witcher question. Now, he he obviously I believe came second in the team in tackles Do you think? Do you think that's something? A safety should be having those kinds of numbers, or do you think that something that's kind of a an issue when it comes to gaining yards down the field, or or is that something that we shouldn't be worried about? It, so it's a double edge sword for one of product of US tackles. Were him getting beat? It was he got toasted against the forty niners. Got Toasted against the Ravens posted. A few times in a few games dot at like eleven tackles just because he was tackling the guy that had beat 'em. Twelve fifteen yards down field That was something I did see again. That goes back to man coverage. It's struggles in the man coverage area, but also I will caution I think he did a nice job of coming down the line in supporting in the run game I did think he made some really nice run fills and he saved a few actually big plays. I thought he did a nice job. Coming Downhill at times now. That doesn't mean you should move linebacker if that's a question later I don't think you should move linebacker, but. I do what he did there, so it's a double edged sword. shows get that many tackles yet. It's possible I just don't want them to come off in getting beat so often from the slot, and that's something that he doesn't even improve upon. Now. All right I'll do my question for sorry when when it comes to the pause flipside Is there a game from last year? Say That that was trill edmonds best game of the year. Yeah his best game in my opinion when I've watched his tape. It was that Cleveland Browns game a week. Thirteen I bought, he played very very well that game, and he was matched up against by Jarvis Landry that game. Dave an in joke Goo He faced some good football players that game on, and he was actually doing pretty well. He didn't get beat too often. He made a few really nice plays when he came down hill on the Kareem Hunt tackle in open. Spacey was one on one man covered. He saved about twenty five yard gain. Gain made a nice technical clean, tackle wrapped up twisted and brought him down it a very nice planned cream months. Guy That is slippery and we'll break a lot of tackles, so that was a really nice thing to see I. Think Edmonds when you look at that Brown's. Am I think you saw a lot of the flashes you wanted to see and the upside that could make him really actually a hit in the first round rather than his murky water right now that he's currently in so yeah, that was the game that I thought encapsulated his progress the most. Now, it's interesting that you say a hit in the first round, because only use this this comment from Nehemiah to ask my second question Azra, said the following my main knock on Edmunds is that he was picked in the first round. I know that's not a reason, but if he were a second rounder, I'd be more patient so me. Follow that up with with my question. Do you think the fan base is so down on edmunds because of the lack of splash plays. Let's say in the first couple of years. Edmonds let's say he averages for interceptions. a couple of fumble recoveries He makes more splash plays instead of solid stick to your ribs plays plays where you make the tackles year in place that you're supposed to be you don't give a play. You know sort of those plays that don't really flash or splash screen. Do you think the lack of splash plays as wide a fan base is down at men's, and you couple that with the fact that he was a first round. Absolutely I mean that's. That's the biggest problem of his game. If he had made it, you can live with guys that get beat from time to time if they can make an impact in the form of splash place, edmonds doesn't bring that and he gets beat often enough to where you can say okay. This is a guy that gets beat. and. She's not giving us production to take the ball the other way. Yeah, this is a big reason why I think that's real edmonds is viewed as a guy that has not lived up to his billing. He just does not get those interceptions and I'll say this I think. He's giving up a lot of big place. Because of that lack of splash playability is the ball skills. It's the ball tracking ability. He will not get his head around and guess what he'll give up catches. Catches that way so if he's not able to make at the catch point because he can't track of ball yet, that's given. Splash plays instead of possibly making a splash play like I said he gave a bet touchdown in Arizona he gave up a touchdown against The rams to that he gave up a touchdown against the jets draw Anderson. Rip The seam on that play So yeah, there's a few times when you look if he could get his head around. It's an assumption instead turns to touchdown, so yeah, it's a big big big time impact before you before you go, Mike, let me ask you real. Quick Nick Before I. Get out of here and let Mike Ask his question. Is that correctable. Can you correct a lack of tracking the football? 'cause I come from a baseball background, a lot of baseball and my thought is always been. If you play DB, or if you play receiver, I always think about cross, training and sports. That if you play those positions, playing outfield is great. You know playing outfield in baseball teaches you to run and track the ball in space as it's in the air, you have to move. You're buying a particular direction. You have to anticipate where the ball's GonNa. Go. How far IT'S GOING TO TRAVEL! You gotTA locate it. You might have to catch over either showed. In you have to alter your body positions, can his ability to track a football be improved. You think it's something that the steelers can improve within. Its top to improve ball skills. That's unfortunate thing. This is one of the toughest. Places Defensive Back. Has to fix a ball, skills or tough. Because your drill at has got, it's been playing safety for a long time. This is not a guy that's made a position switch by enemy, so he's not learning a new position here. This is a guy that has ease body movements ingrained. It's like fixing a quarterback's mechanics. Right fixing throwing motion fixing footwork. That's not super easy. fixing accuracy goes with that, but the it's not easy to change motions like that or fix a mindset so when you look at Edmonds. A lot of training. It could be a multi year thing for him to actually get this improved if he does. Certainly, it's possible. Fix It, but like I said it's a lengthy lengthy process. It's going to have to work as behind off to get much better at tracking this football he's GonNa have to learn how to control his body he's gotTa have internal clock. Fix because this is also something when. When you're a defensive back in the ball is in the air and like edmonds like Edmonds does get toasted a lot. He's in recovery lot, so he's just bailing. Going to you know, make a play on the ball. Hoping he can make a play, and that's also why he gets. A few EP is from time to time You'RE GONNA have to switch a lot of his internal clock mechanics plus. All that stuff that comes ball skills the high pointing getting your head around it's it's a technical thing that you're going to have to completely rewrite, and it's GonNa have to affect multiple areas of his game so yeah. It can be fixed nine easy fix though it's not an easy fix it all which is why if I were admins instead of going maybe interceptions I would be focusing on punching football's out and trying to get forced fumbles. Because it's other way you can get. intercept is get turnover is knocking. Football's out of guys hands in the open field. Since he plays so well down a nearline scrimmage, he can certainly force a few bowls, and I would also be really really nice. To See him do forced one in the preseason last year against the chiefs, so I would like to see that happen more for Madman's. Right so I guess US steelers fans. It's quite easy to rip Edmonds, and we do it quite a lot. If there's one thing on the flip side, what's the most positive? What's the best part of his game? What's something? We don't need to worry about with thriller elements, but physical tools right I mean the physical tools are there? This is why the steelers took him anyways, he athletic. He tested lake at NFL freak. Freak. He's a freak athlete. I mean he really is. This is a guy that has everything an athlete. Once he's not. He's not stiff wowed early. He's very smooth and fluid in his upper body and upper by so we'll make speed turns really nice. Coverage and man cover specifically he can really throttle down and fly down is closing speeds great so he will maintain that even get. Speier's this sexually a little bit. Bit of an interesting thing that you can do with edmunds because he is so athletic, the more athletic quarterbacks that keep coming into the NFL. He can work almost as a pseudo qb spy at times because he is so athletic, the will obviously need a third safety there that it can trust for him to come down and play that role, but I think he can do that because he is so quick athletic on. On he did that a little bit with Kyla Murray in week, fourteen against the cardinals, and was really nice, because he got a few tackles out of that on a d. did that job actually really well, so yeah, the athletic potential that he has with that physical tools and the lengthy as everything. He has physical used there. That's that's why he's upside so high. That's why I'm not giving up on him yet. You have another question might want to get to. I guess When it comes to his drafting and when he was brought in the league. Do you think it's a conspiracy theory? Minal bit? Do you think The steelers were higher on him because of his brother, because of that those family roots? You think that's possible. Yep, they low family bloodlines. This is the thing does have. Emphasized throughout their drafting history the man. You are wearing Mike. Devon Bush he came Urban Football Family Tj what came from a football family. You look at all these guys that come from families on on the sears organization. Alex High Smith is a very very well tenure guy on with football roots a lot a lot of guys that they have come with football route so absolutely I've I very very much. Think that that made them higher on Edmunds than a few guys obviously looking back on it. There was a guy like Justin read. There is brother Eric. Reid is a football player on Air Justin Reed. Reed has been superior player to Edmonds at this point, but yeah, the football bloodline is a huge thing for the Pittsburgh steelers and I. Think Edmonds is physical talent in his athletic traits, plus that football bloodline Kinda sold them that this is a guy that has gotten in the routine of training for football, and he can live up to that because of those football bloodlines now just another question here when it comes to just a hypothetical world, couchbase doesn't matter Do you think there's a free agent I'm not talking trade just free agent right now. That could be an upgrade at that position right now for the steelers. Who? Free agents are scarce right now. I won't say upgrade I don't think anyone can upgrade from bins like I've you? Edmonds is an average strong state. View them as below our legs averages. Athletic Scott. These inks doesn't make any place where he's A. He's your run of the mill. Strong safety, ideally third strong safety, but he's obviously our star right now but if there's a guy that could maybe bet on OB, Milly Fawn, who is out there He's obviously a former second round pick, but he flunked out of. flunk down New England, but he's traits and he's got a very very good football background. was just feels like they met with him. In the previous process he's shown ability to make some place. It's an upside signing at that point but I think he could be an interesting signing for them. maybe to get something out of their If they can I think he'd be a nice developmental piece, but there's very very few. SAFETIES that I could point to you right now that I could say. Upgrade over drill bits probably not. Let me. Ask One question before we jump into the live chat I talked to Jeffrey Benedict. Are Film guided breaks down stuff for bt. SC He'd likes to physical aspects of course. I mean that that's pretty obvious with with Terrell at. His little brothers. A freak is brothers. Are All there? They're all physical freaks. He seems to think that Edmonds is versatility given his physical ability allows the steelers to be very flexible in a lot of the packages that they run that because he's so flexible flexible because he could do so many things. It allows them to do a lot of things. So is it a case of a lot of his value comes from that that ability to to give the steelers so much flexibility in terms of how they play as opposed to Claes like Mingka, fitzpatrick or stuff like T. J.. Watt sorta like you need a ringo on a defense right at some point, everybody is not GonNa be Paul and John. Somebody's gotta be Ringo. Do you think jeff hit on the head there with his with the ability that that Terrell admins provides that ability for the steelers defense that versatility. and. Does a lot of things yet I think he's a versatile I'm gonNA. Get a little football nerdy here. In the different coverages. The steelers were running last year on. They were mixing in quarters, which is just one one fourth one fourth one fourth fourth, a cover, three Tampa Sudi fence what he allows them to do is move around guys so Minka Fitzpatrick obviously allows us to because he's make if it's Patrick is a just Unicorn, essentially what he can do on the defense on, but what edmonds allows them to do is still have. Have that that athleticism on the back end, and because he improved his instincts and football IQ this year. He's not gonNA. Let you know he's not gonna ban in his own. His eyes are good. He trusses is so edmonds can do is he can give you a quarter safety. It can allow you to rotate guys down. He can rotate down himself. They can trust in the box as a knick as a nickel backer they really need to. He's not going to be fulltime linebacker beginning, come down and play a little linebacker, sure like I. I said they put him as a spy Colin Murray a few times, so they moved him down there a little bit and what they'll do is actually camp. Sutton will become that safety in the back end at times and Terrell. Edmonds will creep down, so it's also his longest scrimmage capability. It's his ability to make those run fits the put him in the slot obviously a lot again. I wouldn't put him in the slot as much I think he struggles main coverage still, but that is part of his versatile aspect on so. So, your leg ability and the football i. q he has allows them to run. A lot of different coverages, disguised their looks and most importantly they can trust that he's going to do his job in zone coverage because he is so smart, so what that allows them to do is allows guys like Joe Aden at allows guys like Patrick that see the field, a different way to move out of the defensive structure, and make some really crazy plays a because they can trust edmonds to do the right fundamental thing on the back end. You got a question microphone. You take it to the live to live chat. Yeah, you know. I have actually seen this a couple times in live chat, people bring up weakest link. Do, you believe that to be true. Is Trail Edmonds? The Weakest Link of this defense or do suggests that could be someone else. Weakest Link so this is got an argument between three guys. It's it's either edmonds. It's Vince Williams Yuji three or Tyson Hollow, depending on kind of what packager. On because the steelers have a lot more entertainment personnel now, obviously, although although sliding the no sacral slot I'll probably put Alu Alu there as the weakest. Link! but I think Edmonds is certainly bothered the Alga you pick you pick the guy from my alumni. He's in love. You can't pick the cow guy somebody else can be. Because he's, he didn't run a ton. He's Ryan. A little bit of nose tackle in Jacksonville, but he didn't do it town. So it's it's not. It's not a fluid transition for all so that nose tackle spot little bit new especially if he's running that full-time which seem intent on doing him increase warmly so I, mean not Chris warming sorry! Daniel. mccullers so yeah. That's going to be an interesting kind of dynamic. Watch along lines on. We'll put all of their. Even though I think I'll always a pretty nice player there to have only d. line his. Death Ryan think? Is certainly either second or third on the Weakest Link Chart, but this Turell edmonds is your weakest link on your defense. I think you're doing pretty well for yourself. I will say that I. Think you're doing pretty well for yourself. Yeah absolutely of your weakest link has that type of physical ability then you're the steelers defense, which was very good. Let's jump into the first question. It kind of jumps into what you were talking about. with it's patching. This is from Tyler Kuna he asked. Do you trust Minka? Excuse me, do you trust edmonds? Taking the deep zone while Minka is playing the middle in those robbers zones. So the steelers! Dick they did this a few times the when they're playing cover three robber. Sometimes what they would actually do is, they would rotate. MINKA down. Fly can't sutton back. This is what I was talking about with Sutton, so this cover three Robert. Zones Edmonds Either Somehow Franken out to one of those three corner spots, and Aden in Nelson or doing something underneath, or they're moving edmonds underneath in some. Some type of man coverage in the slot. So that's another thing they'll put him in the slot. Do I trust him in that cover three I think he could do it I think he's fluid enough. The flip is hits. Get around again I think is are good, I think he sees the field well but do I trust them back there if deep throw is thrown up. Deep, edmonds is right there which he probably will be because he does well any whiffs. Trust back there because of his ball, skills and vulnerability because I mean if you're in the end of the game and he's back there and you just lob it up. Edmonds is the guy there is. He GonNa. Get his head around. I don't know, but I certainly trust him from a process standpoint. Do I trust him to finish the play? That's a little iffy. Now let me load up one here. This isn't a question, but stat projection from Ezra Do you think there's a world where trill edmonds is picking up two interceptions and two fumble recoveries with less than one hundred tackles as? As calling here as well of course, the three sacks might be most bold number there, but. I don't even know if the diving nap, but yeah, four four total turnovers and less than one hundred taxes that possible. So that would indicate edmonds took a jump. My opinion that would indicate that edmonds is having more quiet year because he's improved in man, coverage is his hip in discipline or good remand coverage standpoint, that is one of the things that he flashed last year in man coverage Hebrew there He was a raw a he. This guy was just as green as can be coming out in man coverage coming out of Virginia. Tech Lottery took a step there so if he takes another step there I can see this on. He would have to take another jump at his instincts that I. I think is instance are good, not great on I. Mean You saw Minka get a lot of picks off the tips last year because he's just in the right place in reads the flow of the of the offense on M.. Men's would have to take step. Get that stat line. Is that a reasonable style and I'm gonNA predict no I could see the two fumble recoveries because edmonds is around the football, a lot but I'm not a MUCK GONNA. Jump out on my way to do that again. It don't take a while for him to really work on his ball skills. And get that I, could see the seventy eight tackles I can see like seventy eight tackles one pick like five deflections, and maybe a fumble recovery I could see a matching his total. I just don't think he's GonNa get He's ever going to be much of a playmaker in terms of cream turnovers, so here's the real question between turnovers. WHO's having more interceptions? This your terrell or trey edmunds the running back. I JUST WANNA. Say Today. Realms because I. don't even know trays going to make the team. So I'll say oh. Let me, jump into a question from Jay man. And he asked the question is Terrell Edmonds the Ryan Clark to Troy Pala. Milo for Minka Fitzpatrick. Yeah different players right so choi was actually more of a box guy. a lot of the time Ryan. Clark was a Mitchell type force. so is is is Minka GonNa get that from Edmonds. If he's a Ryan Clark. On because listen I like the physical traits but I. Don't know if Edmonds is the physicality has the physicality of a Ryan Clark. I'm I. Don't think he does because Ryan. Clark is one of the most physical sears I have. In recent memory, he would like dudes op Willis. Just as what was a he that question you want, remember. Like You definitely will not like I feel like. Edmonds can be that stabilizing force if that's if you're referring to a Ryan Clark stabilizing force. If Edmonds can take another step I think he can be that, so yes, I think he can let Meka do a lot more if he stabilizes that position across from Minka. Now Dallas a queenly as edmonds better than Burnett I might transition this a little bit actually because Brunette Kinda plays the same role as Mark Barron did a year ago could trail and men's play that Morgan Brunette Mark Barron role, and would he be more or equal as successful as those two guys first off Edmonds is much better than Morgan. Morgan, Burnett couldn't stay. Healthy Edmonds is proven. He can stay on. The field. Were was athletically toasted at that point so from a physical tools standpoint I. Think you already had edmonds being the better football player Can, they can function in a Mark Baron. So, he's not going to be a base linebacker three-fourths. He's just not. He doesn't have the mass to take on guards or tackles or centers moving to the second love He certainly quick enough to scrape over. Avoid the trash, so this is why you saw him. Move down a few times. In some packages, so you get a little smaller there, you will maybe in sixty in their dime package. He would would squat down on and maybe allow Bush to move out at times Devin. Bush was really good coverage last year. so there's there's a few times where you can say yeah. You can fit into that Mark Barron role, and maybe come down as linebacker because of his skills and his run run stopping ability, but I'm never going to trust them. them to full time linebacker That's not what he does in. That's not what he should ever do. He I mean there's there's rep against Buffalo. where he just got washed out play I mean they line them up in that in that kind of role to. He got washed so yeah, and it less Edmund Somehow balts up fifteen pounds, and they truly intend on just viewing it as a full time, mom beggar happening with his current body weight. In current skills. Let me up into another question. From Dallas, Quanli will keep it in Dallas, is there more pressure on edmunds with the loss of mark? Baron do you think he'll slot into some of the role of Mark Burn or do you think I guess that'll be a some ugg three? How would they deal with the loss of Mark Barron overall? So it's possible that he could slide down in some aspects. I still think that's going to be an A. List. Gilbert the third thing I think you Vince. Williams will take. The base snaps I think you three take the salt packet snaps but certainly if the steelers want to get WanNa go small which I don't know, this is like my my gripe. I don't think they're gonNA go small at all because they don't have that other safety that they can trust on the back into replace Edmonds Antoine. BORK's could be that guy, but he's a six rounder. We haven't had off season. You're not going to trust the sixth round rookie in Antoine Brooks to fill that role, so that's a twenty twenty one prospect more so than a twenty twenty. GROESBECK so right now edmonds probably won't fill that role but is the pressure on him more so. Big Time I can be a little because he always when they're playing their match zone or match man schemes all all the time. He'll work with that guy who filled barren spot, so he's got a look. You gotTa have to be able to communicate so I guess if you WanNa talk about bad area That's where the pressure come on, but I don't feel like that is going to be. A pressure spot for Edmonds too much. Now. Let's just say trail edmonds in twenty twenty puts up virtually identical stat line than he did a year ago, plus let's just say he adds one interception. Do you think he is getting that fifth year? Option or the steelers can be more likely to try to negotiate something smaller. I think he'll get it like I think. He will I think the as long as he doesn't just fall off a cliff. Get it. Because, the steelers gave the fifth year option. Abudu pre who had shown flashes, but never put it together. That's kind of evidence has done at this point, but flash together. Nothing substantial, and then obviously the sears were awarded with you pre breaking out so it. They wouldn't shock me if It's relevant. Broke. Out is a fifth year. Like. That would not shock me. He was that rock coming out of Virginia Tech so yeah I. Think will pick up the option if he doesn't fall off a cliff. That's my view on that. I don't disagree. I think he's played probably. In the last couple a years probably close to over two thousand snaps. and. They're not gonNA. Give up on the first rounder. That's played that much. You know they're gonNA. Give him every opportunity to continue to get it, and then you just won't get a deal after that, but there definitely I'm in a safety in the safety transition costs I, think it's still at the transition cost price I. Don't think it's. I mean it's not seventy million, but the pre is asked for so I think there's something that they can absorb. Let me get into this question from Donald. Nolan, here he said any thoughts on implementing the ninety man roster breakdown. I think that might be a question for me. A the breakdown of Eight. Z me going through every single player on the roster. One by one I would love to. I was just going to take out a response to that. I think that ninety ninety man roster breakdown at. time-wise working out great, but we're. We're within ninety days to the start of the regular season, so I don't think they'll be ninety to ninety guys still left on the team by the time we get to the end so I I. Don't think we're going to be hitting that up maybe next year. That's a good point. Thank you for that Donald. So might give me the pass. I'm in the crease. So this can be an assist to pass assist for me. You can get to passes can get you an assistant hockey, right? That's cracks it can. Make sure I know a touch about hockey, so let me Joan to this to this question, so you assisted me to get into this question. How important is speed to playing deep in the secondary? In your in your opinion. Yet so if you're playing in a single high scheme huge, so there's there's a few traits that you need to do to have to play. Free Safety. You need to be fast yeah, Nita flute hips, and you need to have good instincts, and preferably have ball skills preferrably also goes because I free safeties without ball skills don't make plays over the top usually, and you can lose sight of the ball like edmonds does on, but since edmonds primarily functions as a cover to or three quarter safety. He can do it. I think he's fine. In that area, speed does matter because it's range right, you WANNA be able to get a guy over the top that can play so it's it's A. It's a part of that. It's part of range. So's the fluidity in the lower body so those are kind of your two key rates, and then you have. Have obviously reading the flow of the the offense reading row combinations anticipating those routes so yeah speed does matter, but it's not the end all be all. There's few other traits that you need to have to really be a great safety. Edmonds has a lot of the The physical traits and he has the mental aspect just doesn't have the most. Now Dean McRae Ashfield another Bush caliber linebacker. What would that allow Edmunds to do now I? Guess, let's just say we have to to Devon Bush's. We've got to clones out there up front. What does I can let the the defense as a whole? Do it I think out affect a whole lot more than the safety spot. That would change the divas on completely right so assuming you get a guy. That's an athletic mold of Bush. You have to feed in coverage. You two guys with sideline to sideline range. You'd be playing a lot of dime I. Would I mean a lot of nickel I would imagine you would have got to. You. Have those five DB's out there and then you'd have those two guys because you can do so much with that you could. You can drop dudes into Tampa to with ease because they have range guys like Dion. Jones a hyper athletic linebackers. Just drop back. Back into deep safety. Sometimes it's crazy, but they do it because they're freaks, so you could see that happening and what that would do is allow a guy like edmonds to replace him down below, and it would call it so many different coverage options you could mess with the quarterbacks is so much by doing that it really would be a game changer. We've seen some. Some teams have that crazy to freakazoids out there. I think a team like the San Francis- before an Irish GonNa have that they have They Fred. Warner and they have drapery law. Those two guys are very good and coverage. Never let it and what they do is they really messed with? quarterbacks is no drop their linebackers back. Deep in the seats down over the. They'll just do so much over the metal trap. The quarterbacks on cornerbacks I. It's a tough thing to really project how much you could change with another good linebacker, but in the sealer scheme especially when you need those good linebackers in coverage, it would allow you to run a lot more man. If you want to be aggressive and man you could certainly be more exciting. Your blitzing especially those slot corner blitzes. So what you could do is essentially. And series to do this last year we could do more frequently. You could send that hyper athletic linebacker over there. Send that linebacker ring down the safety, so you could trust him in the slot There's so much you could do with that on any would allow you to put together. Match man more match zone, so that's quarters. More so it would just allow you so many more options pre-snap the post nap. You can disguise coverages it allow edmunds as a safety, though getting to the question would allow Edmunds to roam free over the middle of the field, trust his is more and really use that athleticism to play aggressively and just make place which could translate squash blaze if he can just run around and use that lettuce them but it would allow Edmunds to do a lot of work near the last scrimmage and GonNa. Really take. Advantage of his strengths on as a safety. If you have all that talent around him. The live chat. Are you looking at the live chat, Mike? The live chat is getting pretty, rowdy. It's getting pretty rowdy Wanted to just just pop this comment up here. I think I lost it but this is from Donald Nolan WanNa. Say he just wanted to say gotta give it up to nick for fantastic analysis and breakdown, and you have done a fantastic job. Nick with with your breakdown. I have one last question an after my question I will throw at the Mike. What's this defense going to look like this year? How much better can it get better than last year? Last year was really special. What do you see different in his defense? How much better can improve because? You know it was. It was pretty. It was pretty. It was pretty darn good, not not too much to complain about so. Where do you see this defense evolving, too? You know in this season. Get better is. What do you think it looks like? Tough question so there's so much change year to year. This I'M GONNA say. Versed off. The cornerbacks Steven Nelson had a career year Does that stay put because cornerback is the most unstable position on that defense They guys rise one year and fall off the next year. Is Xavier Rhodes from the Minnesota Vikings? Now the schools clear example that was early corner now. He is a guy fighting for scraps Josh Norman Same Guy Joe Haden. Thirty two Joe Haden going to be. Joe Haden Still I've been talking about that for a few years now as Joey number going to fall off the cliff I don't know he hasn't yet so until he does. In shows on film I'M GONNA. Assume that he is going to be Joe Haden But can it be better? That's a tough one if I'll say this if you g three turns out to be really good. Yes. That's an upgrade overbearing if he's good. but losing Javan. Hargrave is going to hurt. I think it's going to hurt even base because you had hargrave base. You had hargrave to it. Hayward free, Watt and I. Mean That's just A. that's a horrific match. A franny offensive line, even elite office of Wines so can't get better. To get better, I'll say that requires a few factors. One Terrell admits hesitate a jump. Of course that has to be something we talk about here to list Gilbert has to be good. everyone has to maintain their level of play Steven Nelson sales to be. The shutdown got he was. Joey doesn't have fall off Vince Williams as to play well. Cam Hayward and Steph onto ovhly steph onto. It is still what we saw that first six games of last year he might have been the best player on the defense last year. for the Games, he played Hopefully, T. J. Watt is still a very good. Hopefully, everyone stays healthy. can hawala fit well into that mold and condemn Bush. Take a step forward on, but the three keys are Bush and Edmonds taking leap. Yuji three filling well all all filling in well, those are the three keys. I think to make MRI fence even better than they were last year tall task. I'M GONNA say they probably won't be better. They can be as good but it would take a lot of them to be better maybe better in certain aspects, but as a unit going to be tough, they could do it. They could do it. On because I really trust. Mike Tomlin has constructed on this defense. I liked the coaches. They have their now I think. I think Tara Austin was a great hire for them. thirty eight turnovers last year, the most in the league, we didn't up. If you remember that twenty eight point, eighteen defense defense could not get turnovers for life so yeah, it's GonNa. Be Hard to re to Redo that with a thirty eight turnovers, but they could certainly still be very good and I think they'll be a top three defense in the league regardless. Now question here for me. Do you think this twenty twenty Pittsburgh steelers team has any shot at taking home super bowl number seven. Oh, definitely definitely, definitely. They have the talent like they do i. mean this is a team. We've talked about the defense so much. That's a team that that's a super bowl defense as a Super Bowl Defense of my pee. On a team that can win. The Super Bowl with that defense. So the offense is going to be the sticking point. One is Ben Rothlisberger GonNa be Ben Rothlisberger. He's looked good in the videos, but we have an actress seen. In ads on our football field. It's his elbow and I'm going to be cooked. If it's cooked to see us, hoped or dot. That's that's some if big. Ben's has done their Doug but if he's back if he's back, they can't and they have I'd like the wide receiving room. I think it's an underrated wide receiving corps I like Juju. Smith Schuster rebound this year. I like what they did. They're moving him back to the slot. More I liked that they added Eric Hebron. It's going allow them to do a lot more in the middle of the field give big been that big target. I like James. Washington I loved the Auntie Johnson. I think Jay. Johnson is going to be a great football player I. Think People Are Sleeping on Washington. A change clothes, a really really nice threat and listen I think this offense align is. It's decent. I think that's kind of one thing. I'm a little concerned about our haunts waiver to a little bit of a step back last year. who's GonNa is going to is the right tackle spoken to work on his Zach. OCCUR IF WE'RE GONNA fit in well there I like what I saw from from both of them but are they actually going to translate next year I think? Fathers refined left left. On so it's it's going to be. It's going to be a little tough, but everything can click and I could see it happening. it Kinda all predicates on Big Ben and that's kind of my thoughts. Let's put a bow on. This fantastic interviewed again nick. WanNa thank you for hopping onto the program and giving us some outstanding analysis so i. think what all steeler nation wants to just hear, you say either yes or no explain it. Is Terrell weapons of bust. Pretty simple. No. No No, no, no, no! I've long held the standing that him being drafted in the first round as her his view among the base. This is a guy that the steelers flawed outreached on him. They flat out reached on elements. Even if he hits, it's a research like I still consider bud, dupree or reach I. Know He hit? It was after his fifth year, but he was still a reach. That's a you shouldn't take. It shouldn't take a first rounder five years to hit. You know what I mean. It shouldn't take a guy five rounds. so yeah, he's a reach doesn't mean can't be good player, though and not be a bust, so just because you're a reach doesn't mean you're a bust. A budget pre certainly on a bus. He's just not a great value. Pick That's kind of how I view back, so edmonds is not. He's not going for broke yet. He's twenty three years old. He's shown flashes. He took a step forward from his rookie. Urge to his sophomore season. I think Edmonds has a possibly to be a hit if he hits next year I think that makes the pick a lot better on because just shows up. Their development. Track is quick I still don't expect that. Mrs Fully take a step forward next year. I think that's year four year five again I. Think it's a reach as you was her. I think should been drafted second. Third Round Day I think he was a date. You pick not a first round pick. But he busts now he's just a region bad value. I agree with you. Nick and I'll give you guys an example of a bust. Jarvis. Jones was bust. That's a bust. He is not Jarvis. Jones and and I tag Jarvis Jones with the name L. Bus Sto. Jarvis Jones is a bust. I, I agree with you that I think he was a reach, but before we get out of here. where can people find you? Where can people find your stuff off I follow you on twitter and I respond to a lot of your tweets. Where can people find you find some of the information that you provided on this show? Yes so people can find me on twitter. Fairburn F. B.. That's F. A. R. A. B.. A. U. G. H. F. B.. That's my twitter handle. breath there every day. A few other things that I. do over there on. If you want to read, my steelers work on steelers now. I work for Pittsburgh sports now over there I. write some steelers stuff that usually film breakdowns, but I do some other things over there as well and if you're NFL draft, Guy, right over a pro football network so if you want to read a draft stuff there. I broke down. Someone is Ahah poll amount. That's triple his nephew. I broke him down earlier last week, so you can get is like that over there so that's kind of where you find my stuff that guys. Anything else you WANNA ask them Mike before we go ahead and call this A. Those a lot of fun. Thanks for coming on neck. Yeah no problem anytime guys anytime. Make! Sure you follow, Nick! The information is fantastic. Cut ups, videos, great stuff and and I think I, agree with you with him about Edmonds. Everybody can't be a star in sometimes, you need guys to play their role. You know you need aches to bind ingredients to make and me you don't see the eggs wants to. Cake is baked, but you need to aches, so the cake will arise, so you have a nice cake, no cake. In no eggs, no cake, so you know everybody can't be Meka Fitzpatrick. Everybody can't be T. J. Watt, and I think what you said about him. Being drafted in the first round is the issue when it comes to him. If he were a third round pick, we'd all love him if he he's a first round pick, and so you know because you're verse round pick you come with expectations and people really pick at your game in a look for every little piece that you know that you don't do well as opposed to what you do well, what was that? We're going to go ahead and get Outta here and we're GONNA conclude the program and is always tune in tele friend and subscribe.

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Beck In Black, Part 1: A look at the crucial first quarter of the Steelers 2020 season

Behind the Steel Curtain

29:23 min | 11 months ago

Beck In Black, Part 1: A look at the crucial first quarter of the Steelers 2020 season

"Pittsburgh steeler fans good evening, and welcome to another and a final edition of the back in black podcast. That's right. We're switching over next week because it's the start of the season and Wednesday nights turns to know your enemy Super excited for that. But WE'RE GONNA one more post-season type show for all of you this evening, and if you're listening on the podcast platform whenever that May. Be that you are in fact, listening before even getting underway in breaking down, ARA are crucial first quarter the Pittsburgh steelers in their first four opponents of the season just want to mention that the BTC survivor league is back for another year and you could win a Markie pouncey signed football and you'll be competing against us bts's staff and as well as other listeners and reader readers of the website. So. If you haven't gotten that on getting gone in on that, already make that to make sure to head over to behind the steel curtain dot com details for that up there there are also plastered all over social media pages. So if you haven't joined that, make sure you do on, it's always fun to to play against you all in the survivor league now, Jeffrey sitting with me here tonight how are you doing sir, throwing good. As always doing great on the show. First matchup the steelers we see them play. This year is against the New York giants. Super early thoughts right now i. Just, a just under a week or two weeks away at this point but to. Him about that game. I I got to feel good about that game. Your giants, they're not that great of a team they weren't a great team last year. Dingle Jones. Isn't a bad quarterback. You know I think he's GonNa get improved but if the defense can replicate what they were doing last year, they should be able to give him trouble. I don't think that's GONNA be too too much of a challenge, their defense also. Isn't a big strength. There's a few interesting match. So there's a few interesting things for week one. That are in there. Right. Now, of course, you mentioned Daniel Jones. I, I know how he's kind of started his career so far but obviously, the giants had a lot of faith in this guy taking him so high, do you think he's potential to be a feature franchise quarterback or is he a stopgap type player? I is going to be fine are. Working statistically at the season was. Looking at our own steeler players I was looking at Devon Hodges Moose Mason Rudolph with Devlin Hodges was playing well, efficiency numbers were a lot Lake Daniel Jones. They were very similar players. They both convert a hydrate of third in like mid range and short. Conversions that allow short passes are very good in the short game and they have decent efficiency in the few longshots they take. It's like he's basically a you know NFL starter caliber version of Devlin Hodges. Actually like him I think he's a pretty good quarterback and I think the New York giants have the right team around him where his offense is really heavily built with the running back position and the tight end position and I think that's a good bill for that. Now, not really making him make tough throws setting him up for success. With the offense around him. Right now, of course, this series, a brand new head coach Joe. Judge he's he's only a been a as high as a special teams coordinator in the NFL so far of course, under that Patriot system and we've heard a ton about taking a militaristic approach to. Running this team Do you think? Are What do you think? He necessarily brings his franchise that's different. I think he brings. That Patriot cockiness we're GONNA. See if that translates. It hasn't a lot of places but then we saw Mike rebel you know what he's been able to do in Tennessee with a similar kind of of we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do a bit of the Patriots System we're GONNA Kinda do it Know his own way he put his own stamp on it. We're GONNA see how Joe Judge Does with that they've talked about how? They're doing a lot of patriots Patriot esque, training camps, stains The slip and slide fumbled drill is apparently a big deal where they put ball on a slip and slide and have people try and get it. Like stuff like that, some some wacky things but he's apparently very energetic and it's been a very intense can't. So we could see a bump just from that. We could see above just from the energy and the toughest encamped especially early in the season. I remember always remember two thousand seven when might come and took over the team and he ran the toughest camps they had seen in a long time and the steelers stormed out of the gate, and then by the end of the season, the team was visibly spent like they were just like they were midseason form week one and then the season just was too long for them to keep it going. So I I see a threat like that where you know week one is a week. You'll really why Texas, team but also the roster I don't. I be that's the problem they've got a lot of turnover got a lot of young players and they've got some weaknesses, a key spots that we can really exploit right now. Now you do mention that week roster The first thing that POPs my mind is how the steelers have struggled against lesser opponents in the Mike Tomlin era. Is this trap game. It could be. Looking at it, my the big questions start with Ben Rothlisberger and his first game after a longtime being off. Is. How much is he going to have? You know how much? How much? Not How it is going to have how ready is he? You know for the season in game in season four, he's had padded practices within. Their aren't even touching him like. Gently tap him on the shoulder like you heard Ben. Rothlisberger. Done. They're not taking chances with them. He goes to New York. That's a different story. That's that's live defense. They're they're going for him You know there's always a little bit of a reacclimated period. Always and for Ben. It's been a year. It's been almost an entire year. Since he has played football we'll see I think are really have to lean on their defense. possibly. Want the offense starts off slow offense starts off slow. Out We could see the feelers have to lean on that defense. Right now. I suppose if there is any chance of the steelers falling in this one, that'd be a pretty big effort from one Mr Saquon Barkley who's obviously a super special talent at Penn State Lomb so people in the area know all about this guy and what he can do can he completely take this game over and and bring bring a w back home to New York with them? I don't think. So the reason I say that is because the steelers have that speed. Devin Bush Terrell admits MINKA. Fitzpatrick three guys are going to get to the ball and there's going to be a big focus on this team. Did you see the ball go to say on Barclay get there like get there now quick fast in a hurry find a way to get there because. You SAQUON, Barkley can break any solo tackle. You have out there you can do people you're going to have to have numbers you're going to need one person grab hold of him in the second personnel bring him down. So I. Think. We can stop him from dominating the game I. Don't think we're GONNA be able to shut him down but I don't see a huge game from Saquon Barkley I. do think he provides a good task especially Evan Anger. One of the key matchups I have I have earmarked here is. The steelers linebackers with Mark Barron, Golan with Ulysses Gilbert, and Marcus Allen kind of trying to fill that role maybe and the steelers wanting to play Vince Williams more. You're playing a team where you know saquon Barkley Saquon Barkley and he had ninety six receptions has crazy number. He's a great pass Catcher He brings the land. Let us in Evanston. Graham is a guy who lines up in the slot he's fast. That's the matchups. mcbarron was actually valuable was on when titans went out into the slot, his went up and. We don't have him and there's GonNa be a big question. How do we cover those two guys because you don't want Williams on man in man coverage on either of those guys neither of them do you want to see events William trying to handle? So it's going to be an interesting test in that regard for them. Now speaking coverage on the giant side, they got bit by the injury bug a little bit. Now you've got mister a Logan Ryan signing to the franchise. Does he change this game or is it or is it too soon for him coming in right away what was looking that up and there's a lot of. Delays. For him even being able to practice with the team, he has to clear the protocols. There's a question a third of the even. WanNa play him week one like how much is he gonNA like? He can't be around the players you can't go through walk even nothing he's got a clear Cova. So there's issues there. I, I don't know if you'll play and if he doesn't, that'll be a big benefit for the steelers because he's a, he's a he's a physical presence in the slot and that's GonNa. He's he's got kind of player you want against the steelers where you're gonNA see James Washington misuse during the slot if they don't have him in week one or if he is struggling not knowing the defense very well. As it could be it could be a good thing for the steelers right now. I WanNa take in the live chat here for the House of positivity. West I'm not calling you out, but there's a funny stretcher that I wanNA point out west to ask to the giants have any actual wide receivers then proceeds to say Mark Barron was never valuable and finally local. Ryan isn't that good? How does the positivity West I love it but I do pose a question back at the top here do the giants have. A wide receivers, of course, golden tate I believe is injured right currently he's the day to day sterling. Shepherd is was good. He's Kinda old now they don't really have much there. They really should not be as much of a threat at wide receiver. Dairy go now. Another position their super thin at is a offensive tackle where it's it's filled with young guys. Is this a gain that we should expect a T. J. Watt but depre- to -solutely go off. That's that's a big thing I had found. There is for matchup for this game is those tackles vs TJ and bide. That could be ugly it like these guys are in a contest now trying to get going. Hitani Thomas is going to start at left tackle. He was their first round pick He's a good player, but early on in camp one of their outside linebackers, it wasn't even Marcus Golden. It was the guy was like eight and a half sacks in two years. Bowl rushed him knocked menachem straight on it but. He's improved since then but I'm very interested to see him. He's going to be left tackle season going against bud pre. I just I WANNA see but pre give him a good bud duprey bowl rush because one of the things by Dupree's always been able to do is is take a take offense linemen and just driving backwards. It's just before last year he didn't do much with after that. Last year, he started actually getting off those blocks after he drove him back and making place and Tj y verses a right tackle competition where some of the guys in competition for right tackle are also in competition to start at center. Like. That's not a good place to be. You don't. Believe. They're like on confrontations. They've got a couple of guys that are competing for both starting center and and right tackle. One of them's going to be like, do you WANNA face cam? Hayward you. WanNa face TJ was a little different game. and seeing them just trying to split those carries and see who's the best wear It doesn't bode well for them. In that game is Tj Wattez. Bundu pre fired up for a contract season. That's A. Big Big part of this game is has how they do right think Danny dimes will be running around four his life. In this one you got to do you got anymore key matchups for me. Of course. Daniel Jones versus our SAFETIES MINKA and. Mika Fitzpatrick control admits that alive disguise work. Last year worked with Hayden a Nelson they were doing a lot of that and they've been. Talking up this season, they're going to try and do even more. So that's a big one how he handles that. The other one is they rebuilt their linebacker group. Their linebacker group is rebuil- and if we are using or running backs more interestingly and with Eric Ibran at tight end. That's GonNa be a good. A good place to see. Can we get something going there week one against a rebuilt? linebacker group and the other factors is just inside the team how that is held much rust Ben. Rothlisberger need to shake off and what kind of connection does he have these receivers in actual live game is the only one he's throwing more than a handful of passes to his Juju. Swisher. Right now before I, ask you a winner loser in this game here, Georgia test and ask how is the giant defense? Can The steelers offense? It's super young and relying on a on A. Patch back together Ben Rothlisberger move the ball on this team. Their defence is not so great They've got the Guy Djibril peppers at strong safety. He's he's fast he can. He can cover a lot of space. He's kind of a lesser version drill edmonds in my opinion who can also you know making due returns on kick returns but As a strong safety, he's a little bit less than Edmonds. He's one of their better secondary guys. So yeah, I think I think we can really do something in this game. Right now, straight up asking you to pick a winner in this one. Who's taking home the the W in week one I. Get it I I don't think it's. Like a blow out but I don't think the game's really at risk either I think they have a pretty solid command of the game the whole time. Right now I'm also leaning the way you are seeing here with the steelers victory I. Think I'd be a little surprised if they didn't if they didn't come out with the the. W in week one. Just. Seems like there's so much going in Pittsburgh's favor ben coming back honestly Ya, anytime, there's been any injury concerns on offense especially with Ben playing quarterback. Or injury to Ben Himself. Usually the first thing he does on that I plays loaded up and launch a deep I. Vividly Remember that playoff game I against Denver after he hurt his shoulder against Cincinnati a few years back now. I play the Game Ellen thought his shoulder shot and he could only throw the ball twenty yards time here for I play the game he steps back and launches a deep no Antonio Brown in that one either and he I think he sent that sucker fifty yards down the field. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's the opening play the game this could be a big one almost like a a revenge game for Ben. There was. A huge factor on before we move onto what I believe Denver in week to here. But. If IF WE'RE GONNA learn a whole lot about the steelers team. Specifically Ben Rothlisberger in week one. If. He comes on has a dud a recent sounding the alarms. Probably not. I think as offense can work even if he's not physically as good as he he has been in the past, I can still work most mostly based off his intelligence, his experience and is veteran leadership is going to be really valuable to this team and with that defense, you know if the defense can really be the star of the team again then we don't actually need Ben Rothlisberger to be you know two, thousand, seventeen, two, thousand, sixteen, Fifteen, Ben Rothlisberger, he can. He can be somewhat less than that. We can still be good. We had one question in the in the chat stood out to me I. Don't know how to put it up but. which steeler wide receiver has the best chance of a big game against the giants week one. I'm going to miss you. There it is. I'm going to Juju Smith Schuster. If you if you watch week one last season then went to Juju allot. I expects Bendigo back to judy that guy is the most experienced with as it's going to be kind of his comfort blanket to start the game going I expect you have a lot of targets receptions against the giants. Is there anything else you WANNA touch on on the that week one game I'm good righty. So moving on Denver. I think one of the more important things with this team. Honestly I think this team had a great offseason. Do you think Denver is the the twenty nineteen at Cleveland browns off season champions were at the twenty twenty offseason belong to them. I would. Compare them with the browns because I. Think they actually did a really good job in the off season of of putting pieces together that actually works together. So I won't compare with the browns but yet they had a phenomenal off. Right end and one of those movies they made was bringing in Melvin Gordon. Pair with Philip Lindsay my question to you are they the best running back duo in football today A good question they have the potential to be up there both those whom can run in a run heavy offense but also both can catch the ball but they're not. They're not going to line up in the slot and being Alvin Kamara type guy. But there they can catch the ball the backfield. So they give them a lot of versatility and if you're gonNA run the ball a lot you need to backs even I don't think they're gonNA run the ball alive in Denver. Right now with Backfield, there's a Mr drew lock returning for Sophomore Season of course, he was acquired with the one of the picks the steelers sent to Denver in that Devon. Bush deal. He showed a lot of promise at the very beginning of his his rookie campaign. Now, when he came in I, believe is right around week ten when he took the reins. Is He is he poised for a breakout sophomore season The. There's a big worry about him because he he shows all the talent. To go to really really have a good second year. His problem is I Jersey seemed very timid. Cortlandt Sidon in like you know they have that kind of deep threat thing going on there. He didn't seem to really connect with that. He was he was thrown short a lot. He wasn't a good depot passer. He had a lot of what seemed to me to be hesitation but that's also he still rookie you know that's that's the thing. He's a young Guy that that can take some time to come in could for a quarterback come into their own kind of get that confidence and get that trust with their wide receivers and with the weapons they added. A The weapons they added I think we could see. If he gets that confidence. He gets a he he could really really have a good second season. and. You know those weapons that you're talking about. Of course CORTLANDT. Sutton was ordered a year ago draft cage Hamblur they draft Jerry Judy. My question is with that receiving core their top three. Would you rather have that top three or the steelers top three? That's a question to You're surprised. No one's that haven't thought of. Wow. That would be tough. Right now, we'd probably go the steelers. Because we got four, I like having four then the workout you still got three more I saw I'll take the steelers. But man, that's a good young group I I'm a big fan of Kevin Handler especially, if he's in a situation where he's not the number one target and they're he's going to be the number three. You know you've got Jerry. Judy. Who from camp the veteran players saying he's the best. Route runner they faced in their career as a rookie which we kind of knew that was his thing in college he was just. He was a he looked like a veteran nfl route runner in college. So he has that aspect they're going to be able because handler can play outside or inside they're going to be able to do some matchup things. You're going to be able to see a big. You know technically sound wide receiver in the slot or you're going to be able to see you know cal Kevin Handler in they're just speed. Waterlogging it all over the place That's a that's a that's a good receiving core. They've got a deep tight andrew with with our old friend nick the. As their number two to Kinda ease solid. You know he's just a stable kind of presence in that'll help Noah Fan. he's their GIG, but still there though is he not? To me because so craves country is a better NFL tight end. Between the two you think. Absolutely nothing in three years like if these time in the NFL, he's done nothing that gentry's all know at least in the field and caught a pass one reception. Hey. That's more than either you or I. Unfortunately but I digress. This broncos roster man like just looking at it. Whoa they are. They really are loaded. and honestly when I was scrolling through their team I'm like these guys could be one of those teams that are kind of like dark horse. Revolt team do you agree with that sentiment? I don't think super. Bowl team I think they're kind of a spoiler. I can't wait to see them face Kansas, city. Like I just I. Can't wait for that match up Of course they brought Mark Baron. will be helpful again I. Apologize to. US Hitchcock. Said Mark Barron is terrible but he is the specifically good in one exact area and that is when you can put him on a tight end who is not lined up in line and say just cover back guy he's good at it. He's good at it the reason we brought him in as what covers Kelsey did do. In, two thousand eighteen when he just absolutely destroyed the steelers. Handedly They brought him in. He could be a factor there he also could be a factor in week two because as bad as he was his three best games were in la against the Rams and both Cincinnati Games where Cincinnati's coach brought the rams offense and kept the same terminology like he knew that offense and the three games where he knew the offense that the other team was running or his three best games and he was actually pretty good. Right now, before before we get into some. Game predictions here. One. Of the oldest guy still on the roster, a super young roster might add one Mr von Miller. Is He is he still that guy? is she still one of the best pass rushers in footballers his his day in the sun can. Come and gone I. Think so. He hasn't had the defensive line that he had BEF- before he hasn't had the secondary he had when he was you know. When he was really really turned up. I mean you can imagine if hayward into, we're gone and make it wasn't the secondary and they were getting thrown all the time TJ. What isn't quite the player? He is either he has Von Miller has slowed down a bit. He's not quite the player was but he According to their camp I, mean it's it's true. Every training camp everyone's always in the best shape with her life. But that's what we're here about von Miller is he's in great shape. He is playing kind of on fire right now in Campi is really pushing. The good good. Bradley trump is on the snap count and expects to start the expected to start the season on the snap count, which will be nice. Considering he'll be going against whoever wins are right tackle. Battling and facing Bradley Job Second Week wouldn't be the best situation for those guys but having him on a snap count will limit that exposure. Right now before before we move on a little bit further here, do you have any key matchups you wanNA bring up. SAFETIES in Denver are incredible Justin Simmons, and what's The guy's name Cream Jackson Simmons, and Jackson are a phenomenal pair safeties. They are right up there with Mak- Terrell Bam baby batter you. Rank. The. Balance between them. Make. The Best of those four safeties but but the other two, those guys play together really well, and they're both really good they added. Aj. But their cornerbacks are still kinda suspect but. They have great safeties backing them up. By. The big question will be our definite our defense versus though that speed and talent wide receiver that young speed on how we match up with withdrew lock. Again they're tackles. The weak spot of line. As another game where you could see like they could come in and look good but but duprey in Tj could solve the game for them like it can just decide your offense for you like you can't. What are you GonNa do you can't throw deep if you can't. Stand in the pocket for two seconds but I'll get your head ripped off. Or. TJ's case your balls punched. Ball the ball football meaning the football right? Well well. They brought in some they bribe with some young titans of Noah fans athletic another team where you're gonNA see. some challenge posted to the linebackers and coverage. Awesome, now, getting straight into WHO's winning week to steal starting to now, that's our first trap game. This game was in Denver. I would be picking this to be a loss again, Ben Ben is even great in Denver farther out West you get the worst Ben Rothlisberger tends to play especially if the team's not considered great and it's not a prime time national matchup specially in attendance but this is in Heinz field. At think that I think that gives us a bonus that'll be the difference in the game. I, think the steelers win a game and I think the Denver Broncos put a little fear into the hearts of steelers nation making it a tough one. You know what? I feel like I feel like this one might be a little further apart if it was a true field advantage. I do believe the first two games of the season as of right now, I will be finalists at Heinz Field So it will be very interesting of course, seeing the NBA NHL in the playoffs right now. And a home home field whole homecourt home ice really doesn't seem to be a factor whatsoever even though there are being played in neutral site. So there might be something something a little extra that teams are moving around candlelight gap Major League Baseball. So that's that's something to watch out there for he flipped over to part two I. I will say I also agree that the steelers are going to start the set year off to now. I think this comes down to getting into drew locks head. Getting after that the young quarterback not making fun for him and forcing a bunch of. Might be his first game or he actually can look. Not to not the part of a number one quarterback, so I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be too surprised if the steelers defense was absolutely completely tearing it up to two weeks into the season. That being said, you are listening to behind steel curtains up back in black podcast This has been part one breaking down the first four games of. Of the twenty twenty season.

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Let's Ride: Which Steelers will turn heads in 2020?

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Let's Ride: Which Steelers will turn heads in 2020?

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to another episode of Let's ride. I'm Jeff Harbin your host here on this Monday Wednesday Friday morning podcast for behind the steel. Curtain Dot dotcoms podcast platform. If you just stumbled upon this show, somehow some way all the we ask that you follow US wherever you're listening whether it's I tunes, apple podcast, spotify, Google Anchor stitcher you name it wherever you are even Pandora. Follow along the don't miss anything because it's more than just the let's ride show in the morning. There's the steelers retro, show the Steelers, Dad Geek in the morning, and now our newest show. 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PODCASTS film room editor a you know I mean editor's commentary we're looking at The breaking news, we have it all. I can't stress it enough. We have it all they used to always say that you know years ago we want this to be your one stop shop We really do hope that is. It's hard to believe. That in two weeks when you're listening to this on Monday if you're listening to this on Monday. In two weeks, Pittsburgh steelers will at metlife stadium getting ready to play the new. York giants. In the early game, we'll call it the matinee of Monday night football. We want them forget game starts early they have a double header in week one that game starts at seven fifteen pm eastern time. So don't forget. But it's hard to believe in two weeks. It just seemed like such a crazy roller coaster that we've been on since March in that system general. That's not just with the NFL but you think about it went from the virtual nfl draft and then everything was shut down in will they started? Won't they started? Will they have that side CBA done that side letter they got that done. And it just has been whirlwind. But you know the NFL has done a tremendous job with their testing protocols and I think that they've proven that they can safely return are they out of the woods yet now? No. Now by any stretch of the imagination once these two wants to team start playing when another you see how that'll impact everything if everything goes the way it is it has been I want to say the only have in the entire league three players on the covy list in that might be inflated it might be too. But those hatch the time where they only one and then that one person came off the list and then none. Doing a good job. Signs are pointing upward system seem to be go for that Thursday night opener a little over a week away between the Kansas City chiefs, the defending super bowl champions versus the Houston Texans in Kansas City and I can't speak for everyone listening. But I'm really excited for that I'm just excited to watch. Football again I'm I'm excited to watch the NFL again I'm excited to watch a sport season start that is actually on scheduled to start. This isn't default the NBA the NHL or Major League Baseball I'm just excited the NFL has always had time on their side. In they're gonNA start on time. That's big for me. That's really big for me. So I'm excited in, you should be excited about the Pittsburgh steelers coming into this season as well because the Pittsburgh steelers have a lot of hype behind him. Now they're still the talking heads like Colin cowherd I, can't stand that guy. He knows what he's doing first and foremost if you haven't seen the clip, go and check it out, you can follow me on twitter at j Hartman H. a. r. t. m. and underscore Pitt. P.. I t.. I re tweeted this a one when he said it basically saying he doesn't believe in the steelers. He thinks they're overrated blah blah blah in their garbage in did they don't age well as what he said it didn't make any sense. He knows what he's doing because he knows that steeler fans are are a rabid bunch and they're gonNA read tweeted and they're going. To comment and they're gonNA push it out there and they're gonNA, put it on their facebook the feeding guess what you're doing you're helping his exposure I can't stand that. But at the same time, most people are actually saying that the steelers could be turning some heads this year and I said what if I gave a list here we go start this Monday off right This dealers have had all weekend off practice Friday evening to give him Saturday and Sunday off. Here. We are Monday, five players that steeler fans that are going to turn heads. Steeler fans, heads. In Twenty, twenty Case, I picked five players some of these you might finger obvious some maybe not so much I do want to mention that this is in no particular order. So the first player that say is not the the one that's going to do the most damage. It's just the first player on the list I hope you'll understand that. Gates leader five players if for whatever reason are going to turn heads here in twenty twenty when the regular season starts off for the black and gold first and foremost I'm GonNa go juju Smith Schuster I think juice machineries at a quiet training camp. The most that you've heard from Smith. Schuster is that he's been given a couple of days off for veteran days. You haven't seen a whole bunch of him on social media. He's been relatively quiet will why do I think that he's going to turn heads in twenty twenty? First and foremost. This is a contract here for Juju. You don't think that matters. It matters and he's coming off a season two seasons actually. While mainly in two dozen nineteen was when he was supposed to be the guy, he was supposed to be the number one and he got hurt he played injured the majority of the season his numbers were down in. Now all of a sudden people are questioning whether or not Juju can do it on his own or if he's always going to need help. And people think back to when he was drafted you know in two thousand, seventeen to eighteen. Put his great years with Antonio Brown across the field everyone said, he was the benefactor of Antonio. Brown's greatness in Antonio Brown drawing two sometimes three defenders to his side of the field. Therefore, Juju had just one on one coverage big strong. He can handle that. Two Thousand Nineteen. There was no and Tony Brown opposite him. And you saw what happened and so a lot of people not necessarily saying me are questioning whether or not he's going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if Juju is that type of receiver first and foremost. If he is the type of receiver that is categorized as a pure number one. But I will say this put him on a team with some weapons. Mismatches in he will put up number one production and I think there's a difference when you think about things in terms of statistics. He might not have the receptions in the yardage then tonio did in his prime. But at the same time, he might have some great statistics especially in the red zone if other players around him perform well, players Johnson players, I james Washington players I chase Klay Pool players advance McDonald's stay healthy and staying on the field all those people that become wet weapons become threats offensive threats day than open things up for Juju. Smith Schuster I think that the steelers offense this year is going to be built in a way that Juju Smith Schuster is going to be able to maximize those mismatch look for him to be in the slot. He does most of his damage from the slot in that's GonNa get him against either a nickel cornerback someone like Mike Helton or possibly a safety or even linebacker at times all three of those matchups. Altay Juju. Time twice on Sunday. So. If he stays healthy in, you'll notice as a common thread amongst all these players I shouldn't have to say it every time I probably will but it said if they all stay healthy, they can all do damage in twenty twenty. Juju is on that list players that are gonNA turn some heads this year second one might surprise you a little bit. I'M GONNA go with Anthony McFarland the rookie out of Maryland. Everything. You'VE HEARD ABOUT MCFARLAND coming out of training camp so far this season at Heinz field has been the he has. A bid of the breakaway speed that he's advertised to have when he entered the NFL. He watched his highlight film from two years ago against Ohio State. He was literally a twenty plus yard rushing machine against them that game. This is Ohio state. This isn't like playing. I. Don't know some Mac school or some school down in Florida that no one's ever heard of this is a legitimate top five, top three team in the nation and he shredded them. I don't WanNa, go back into college his numbers and stats because they don't really correlate with me. But skill does correlate. The steelers have not had a back that if you give them a glimmer of daylight, he can take the distance in a really long time. Because if you think back even to. Lady on Bells Prime Thank two, thousand, fourteen, two, thousand, fifteen lady on bell. He never really had the breakaway speed I'm talking about hit the whole end he's gone. He had some long runs, but he was never that Kinda back Anthony McFarland is that kind of. What I'm hoping what I've read a little bit and I've talked to some sources that McFarland has a little bit of the patients that Dell did James Connor does not have that patients if you listened to my show on Friday I had Kevin Smith or cliff. Harris is still punk people call them on behind the steel curtain dot com and he's talked about James. Connor in really he's he's not patient. He's a square, the shoulders downhill runner hit the hole in the holes not there he's running up the back of his offensive line. That's just the way that he is his it's his makeup, but this line was built to make to run ever Brunner, there's a little bit more patient. It was basically build four lady on Bell. I think Anthony McFarland is gonNA. See a lot more time than people think and I think that he's actually going to see some significant runs coming his way in twenty twenty and don't sleep on him in the passing game either the kid catch he can get yards after the catch I can see Anthony McFarland. Basically, taking. Me Jalen Samuel snaps away twenty. Twenty I'm not going as far as saying jalen Samuels won't be on the team. If you think back to Jalen Samuels and twenty nineteen, he got some snaps here there depending on injury situation and stuff like that I think. That Anthony McFarland is GONNA turn a lot of heads in twenty twenty especially amongst the steelers Dan they might say who is kid because of that a preseason? One knows exactly what they're going to see. We're going off of what we hear from training camp and what we hear from training camp is this young man is dynamic. So that's to Juju Smith Schuster Anthony McFarland. Who else falls on this list of players that are going to turn heads in twenty twenty. Get? that. Right after this break. Support for this podcast comes from Microsoft teams. The world has changed and Microsoft teams is there to help us stay connected teams as the safe and secure way to chat. Meet call in collaborate to learn more visit Microsoft dot com slash teams. All right, Pittsburgh steeler Fans Jeff Harpen back here for another for the second segment of the let's ride morning podcast for behind the steel curtain dot com talking five players that turn heads. In case you're sleeping for the first segment. Juju Smith. Schuster Anthony McFarland were the first two. We have three more to get to here in the second segment. I'm GonNa go defense now. Did you offense of players June Anthony Phone I'm going to go defense now and I'm GonNa say a player that I didn't entire podcast on a few weeks ago and that's none other than Stefan to it. I think that Stefan onto it. was off to have a an all pro pro bowl year in two thousand nineteen if he wouldn't have gotten hurt against San Diego Week Five. I'm sorry week six, we five was Baltimore home week six with San Diego on Sunday night I'm sorry the chargers. In, Los Angeles on Sunday night football I don't think I'll ever not make that mistake of calling them San. Diego. But I'm not alone I'm trying not a lot. But in in those six games, steph onto a plate and he had three and a half sacks. I mean think about that three and a half acts in the six games he played the guy was a one man wrecking crew. He lived in the backfield tackles for losses. quarterback heads past offenses by batting down balls he was a machine. In don't think for a second even though we haven't heard from two, we haven't really he did do an interview with the media a few weeks ago. He's a very soft spoken guy. He has to be chomping at the bit to get back on the field. He and Cam Hayward in my opinion are the best duo at Interior defensive line in the national football league I said it on the podcast when I talked about to it being the Superman, the steelers defense needs. For a lot of reasons replacing J von Hargrave, they play a lot of two down linemen. He and Hayward are the two down linemen when they don't have a nose tackle. On top of all that I don't think that you know some people call Hayward, intuit Batman and Robin No hell. Anyone that has followed comics ordered the movies knows that Robin is that man sidekick I don't see to it as hayward site sidekick. Let's go Batman Superman. You can label one. The other doesn't matter. Those are two superheroes Azar to unbelievable talents there on the defense front but I think it's GonNa be to actually might. Do Get the better statistics in twenty twenty, two hayward. It's not a knock on hayward if hayward ends up with seven sacks, intuit ends up with nine and a half. Yes, Woo every single steeler fan the out there listening will raise their hand and say, we'll take it. We will take it if you have to interior defensive linemen in a basic three, four scheme or a sub package scheme, the steelers typically run that account for sixteen plus tax. Yes. You'll take it. You will take it no doubt about it. No doubt about it. So steph onto a he might shock people because he's he's been hurt before I understand the injury history that is a concern. But when he's healthy, he is going to wreck individuals. Fact. Not Opinion that's going to be just waiting see you'll see two more. Let's stay on the defense. I'm going to go Devon Bush. A lot of people ask the question is it going to be the sophomore slump? Was Gonna be a sophomore jump. I think there's no doubt about it. The Devon Bush is going to have an increased production season in twenty twenty. I don't want fans to think he's GonNa play every he might. Kevin on Friday said he hopes Devon Bush does not. Play every single snap. He hopes that they're able to sub him off in some way shape or form with maybe he's Gilbert the third. I don't think it matters. What you saw. In his rookie year. Is. Devon. Bush. Be Very reactive player in two thousand and nineteen. His athleticism was evident especially in the second half of the season, his speed from sideline to sideline his agility, his blitzing potential, which I didn't necessarily know that was one of his strong points but my gosh, he was. Really good blitzer his nose for the football. It just seemed to find him all the time but nonetheless, I think you're GonNa see all those attributes. Amplified. In twenty twenty. Because now the brain is not just being reactive, he can almost be. He's going to be able to trust his instincts. He's been there. He's done that he seen it. So when he's standing on the field and he's directing traffic in front of him and behind him. He's going to be able to say, alright I know that on this down in distance with this particular offense package. There is a high probability that they are going to run this play and he is going to be able to be predictive. That's made Troy Paulo. Maluso Great. Troy Paula Malai studied film so much that he knew let's say they were playing. The Baltimore. Ravens. The team that they played twice a year and they've always played tough. We all know the Ravens but he would know that with the depending on their offense coordinator on third into if they're an ice formation if they throw an extra tight end on his side when they moved that extra tight end there, he knows that it's ninety nine point nine percent chance they are going to run over that second tight end, and so that's when you would see Paula Malai slashed to the line of scrimmage. Try to blow up the play in basically take out a blocker said that they can get in the back to to make a play. That's predictive instincts that's not just reactive I think that's what you're going to see what Devin Bush this year I think Devin Bush is going to be a player that is going to be able to go out there uses experience because he played a ton as a rookie. Uses experience as a rookie. To make him that much better he already has the tangible 's he has the speed he has yet lettuce him. He has the ball skills he has it all. Now he just needs a pair of the experience with that and I think you will see Devin Bush turn heads. I think he turned heads in until nineteen. Let me say that for a second I think he turned heads and nineteen the basically though what happened was is that They didn't make the playoffs therefore, Devin. Bush. Didn't really get a lot of notice because the steelers weren't that good. The defense is great but the team wasn't that good. So devin Bush I think is going to turn some heads. The last player on the list should not surprise anyone if there have been either some surprises on my list, I tried to put some surprises on my list. I didn't want people thinking Oh here we go listening to Jeff I mean, he's just GonNa Rattle off the five players that I probably have my head I tried to think of some players a little bit unique. This one was not be one of them. I'm Eric Brown. Eric Hebron has his own injury history that's been well documented. But it was when I was listening to Kevin on Friday he actually has met Eric Hebron Person Eric Hebron's personal trainer works with Kevin's football team in New Jersey, and so there are a couple of times in the summer he brings. To their field in they practiced together and so he's able to talk with Iran thrones and passes, and he just talked about how he's such a giant of a man and he moves so well and he takes up cover so much ground and then shortly after that Vince. Williams on twitter re tweeted all of the touchdowns of Eric Iran's Indianapolis Colts. Career is a video inside watch that as man. This guy is unbelievable I liked him coming out of North Carolina I did and he is drafted by Detroit then he goes Indianapolis night finds his way in Pittsburgh. But it Rothlisberger. When was the last time? He had a tight end that can actually stretch the field. I I'm thinking about it legitimately thinking. I loved Heath Miller, but he wasn't that guy. He was not that guy. After that Jesse James No, not even close. The closest thing that they've had since Ben Rothlisberger has been here that you would say is close to America abroad type would be when they signed the Darius Green. From. San Diego I didn't mess that up. He was actually from San Diego chargers not the Los Angeles Charters. In his injuries in his concussion history and all that crept up and it was just it was bad from the start. Is Bad from the start in the difference. Everyone wants to draw the comparison between Lebron and green. If you remember when Green got signed, his ankle still wasn't right. They had to keep him out of practice in training camp and he was on the field running just every single day. When you going to be one's going to be a practice while he's on the pup list, when's it going to be able to get out of the populace the populace he gets in the off the PUP list and he gets a concussion, and then he's dealing with concussion symptoms and I'm not down down you know grading any type of head injury he just could not get healthy Ibrox had angle issues last year clearly he's right. Been Training Camp never missed a practice. I'm sorry he did this one because he was physically sick. He is looked the part so when you have Iran. And you have. Think about this, I think about this purely from a red zone standpoint. When you think about an offense that could put. Juju Smith Schuster big strong receiver. Chase Klay poll young, but a big strong receiver. deontay Johnson. Superfast. In space, you just aren't going to cover him with one guy. Vance McDonald Eric Ibran you have yourself if they go no running backs and you want to throw out that many receivers they're going to have weapons GALORE. But not just weapons outside of Johnson. Big. Strong, weapons. Everyone I know if you've listened to rothlisberger talk since he's been drafted. Since PLAXICO burs laughed he has wanted big targets. He wants big tall targets. That's why everyone was like yes. When they drafted Lima Sweden second round affirma- Texas they thought this was the guy. No he wasn't the guy we know it wasn't the guy. But they've always tried to find that. Tall player it just hasn't always panned out maybe was sammie coates. No wasn't Sammie coates. A David make these free agent acquisitions that made you scratch your head lands more yeezy. He's a small guy. Then once big receivers he has big receivers now. Again, Vance McDonald Eric, even they're not just regular old tight ends especially, Iran Iran is more of a receiver than he is a blocker and he's a big guy said, let it go chase clay was six four big dude can run. He's basically built like a tight end runs like a receiver runs A. Four, four, forty. Insane. Eric Hebron is a game changer. Eric. Brown is an absolute game changer if you are a fantasy football owner of a team whether it's daily fantasy. Or whether it is your traditional fantasy league. Eric Yvonne should be on your radar. Absolutely should be on your radar why we know that Rothlisberger loves to throw to his tight ends. He just hasn't had one in a while. Whether it's Vance not being able to stay healthy. And Jesse James was never good for anything after the catch and we know rothlisburger view Heath Miller as his security blanket when anything broke down. You know I think back to this huge touchdown catches where he just slips behind the linebacker. High Pass in the back of the endzone. Heath brings it down catches at hand to the official one goes back and celebrates with his teammates that can be run this year just with a little bit more of a dynamic flair to it. There you go. Folks are my players I think those are five players they're gonNA turn heads is here Juju Smith Schuster. There's i. don't hear anyone talking about Juju Smith Schuster being a viable option in two thousand twenty. But I think they will be after the first quarter. And there's people that have not mentioned Anthony McFarland as a player that could be dynamic and Backfield for the steelers. Most people think that he's third on the depth chart I think actually I know with Madd Canada, his influence on the offense. If there is any influence which everything we've heard from the steelers has been that there will be some influence from Canada. He's going to get Anthony McFarland on the field he's going to scheme up Anthony McFarland to get the ball and space. That's where he doesn't Miss Damage Steph onto it. When him him coming back, he can be absolutely dynamic. He can be a monster on that field. And, that'll be huge. Devin Bush taking a second year going into second year second year jump. He's GonNa be the guy with green dodd he's communicating to the line he's making changes he's making calls back to the secondary. He's ready for that. He's GonNa make that jump he's going to make and say wow What a draft pick? What a move by Kevin Colbert jumping up ten spots in the two thousand and nineteen draft to get this kid outta. Michigan. What a steel? That's what they're going to be saying about Devin Bush and Eric Hebron. He WanNa talk about how much he got paid which I don't even think it was that bad. It's GonNa be worth it and there was a time when everyone said Kevin Colbert can't pick up free agents to save his life whether it was leterrier screen Morgan Burnett. Mark Baron at this point I think that he's going to be on a stretch of of making some really good decisions the first being Steven Nelson in the gag, Lebron's going to be second Eric Yvonne seems to really like being with the Pittsburgh steelers he's going to really like catching passes from Ben Rothlisberger I think that he's GonNa be he's found a home is what I'm saying he's found a home. In Pittsburgh and that's all GonNa Equate success for the steelers as they kick things off again in week one on Monday night football against the New York giants I. Hope Yours are excited as I am because I am absolutely jacked up and ready for the NFL to get back on the field There was a low the college football on this weekend. Nah that doesn't really wet my whistle so to speak. Not, a college guy, and especially now that a lot of the conferences have completely backed out of the season, it's just going to be worse. 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The Homer and Hater Show: The curious case of Terrell Edmunds

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59:48 min | 1 year ago

The Homer and Hater Show: The curious case of Terrell Edmunds

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to another episode of the homer in the hater show. I am Jeff Hartmann the homer and the editor of behind the Steel Curtain Dot Com and joining me as always is his lands. Williams. The hater. What's up lands has gone. What's a homer? I have a feeling you know? We've been talking a lot off the air via text and before we went on the on the air today. The topic that we're GonNa have the main gist of the conversation. The first part of the show. We might have our roles switch here little bit. Lance might be to homer today. I may be the hater in. It's all surrounding one player on the Pittsburgh steelers defense. Now if you listen to us. I think it was Wednesday. It wasn't the standard that was dedicated. Basically to Ben Rothlisberger. Yes yes this episode is going to be dedicated to one Terrell Edmonds. Yes the guy that was in the bathroom when the steelers took him I in the first round a few years ago Had A poor drawers are real quick and run out there on stage anyways. That's actually a true story by the way I don't know if people are not I did not know that he he was he will four but before I comment on that. Which is pretty funny. I WanNa wish my my wife my beautiful wife a birthday or birthday is tomorrow and it's just one of those special mouse dome birthdays as well so I wanna wish her a happy upcoming birthday on April sixth. We celebrated a little bit yesterday. You know we celebrated with a massive zoom party because as Kinda just where it is right now but it was. It was pretty good. It worked out pretty well. There were some advantages to it. They're probably about forty five people in zoom call so she was able to interact with some people that she may not have been able to had. Just done a traditional Birthday Party so again. WanNa dedicate this show to her. Happy Birthday to my wife on her. I think it's the Golden Golden Birthday. I don't know I don't know the medals think would you start but but happy birthday to her birthday to Mrs Williams. We wish nothing but the best in a it's like you said I was talking to my children this morning on our walkabout how no matter what situation there can always be something positive to glean from it. She got a zoom party and maybe she didn't get to talk to some people but I like this is up and today Dave Scofield's chimes in the live chat. Today's big bursts goes birthdays. Happy Birthday to Big Bang. Bros go for those co host of the static in the staticky QNA I love what Ezra says just about the show in January said thank God for this show. It's the only time I lady leaves me alone. Well we're we we all get So with that all said and we got a lot of people chiming in the live chat. Let's let's do a little roll call and before we get started with this trail. Edmonds Talk Bowl call everyone were you watching chiming in the live chat. If you're watching US live on youtube you didn't know we had a youtube channel. Just go to YouTube. Search bt SC steelers. Radio subscribe to the channel like the videos. We appreciate it. We'll see where we have some people. I know Melvyn Melvin. In the House radio it is raining cats and three dogs out here like it is raining really bad in California so there will be no grill work. My brother very good. So we'll see where some people are chiming in from. We got midtown Atlanta Spokane Washington. Southern Kelly Zachariah Jared Devil from San Pedro California Way Johnson from Pasadena. A lot of people on the West Coast Lands Man. Melvin there it is Dallas Texas blog. Talk Radio a veteran. What was it you or was it. Brian was on the show when the steelers played the cowboys and he called in just absolutely hammered. After the game was at your resume. Brian me were you on the show with me when Melvin called in after the steelers. Beat the cowboys. I don't think so I would have remembered that data is trying to into a taxi and was on the phone with US awesome. There you go see. We got some more. Jim Jensen from North Dakota Brad Miller from Erie. Pa Joel from New South Wales. I'm GONNA that's crazy pitman from Atlanta devious from Nashville Robertson Washington. We've got Some rhino tool for mechanics. I that's not far from where I am right now. Guirec still in northeast Ohio. Sorry to hear that I had someone emailed me there it is. What's your beef with northeast? Ohio I just feel bad for those people. You're living in Brown's country. A At least he chose the right team. That's what I always say. Bad said it was him and I figured it was bad bad. Brings the bad out of people so it figures then that was. That was an all time. Great call though and Melvin. Crafty means after we beat the bengals when then got hurt. That was an all tie he was. It was hysterical. It was live. Radio live call in. It was great all right. We love to be able to do that again. But you know that I need to raise the miss caller that he if you were listening to the shows back in the day you know. We're talking about from the infamous caller. I don't want to have that person any light in case there in the live chat in they wanna do it via the text or the written word but anybody bad it was really bad and Melvin says. Please research calling it. I Miss Talk. I'll try to find a way. I'll try to find a way I might have to reach out to our fine folks extreme yard with the streaming service that we use to see what they can do for. Bad always brings up something funny. Today is kid from kid in place birthday. I can imagine Brian. Anthony Davis doing the kid play kick. Step Him in Dade Scofield during the kid and play kicked if you know what that is just imagine bad with. Bj Fini's during the kid in play kick step will little bros go in the kylo Ren Mascot that we have to film that that that that that has to go bad is Who was terrible with the field goal tip was that did you to the field? Go nowadays all right. Let's get this show on the road because a lot of people might have seen the headline insidious what I want to hear. What they have to say about Feldman's because someone earlier rated game of the show what did they say our worst defender referring to Terrell Edmonds. Would you say that Terrell Edmonds right now is the steelers worst defender yes? However I'm David I'm GonNa give you a Scofield. The oracle low bros go type Lancer and and and I think the way he answered 'cause he answered the question on his show yesterday. Kinda like this about bud is but he answer so he basically said that bud duprey was the worst defender of the front seven but he gave really good context too. Because when you look at the front seven and you look at Hayward you look at what you look at Bush. You look at At the time J von Hargrave you look at the very good quality players in the front seven. It made sense. The dupree was the worst of the front seven. It doesn't mean he's bad. It just means the front seven was so very talented. He just happened to be the worst of the seven but that still meant he was very good so I think that's the same thing you look Torrero Edmonds. You look at this entire defense. You look at the talented front seven. You Look at Hayden you look at Nelson you look at. Its Patrick when you start looking at the ten defenders yes. He is the worst defender of the defense along with Who was a free agent or the guy? The steelers traded for Chris warmly. Is it warm leads the last night but he's not going to be a starter he's NBA rotational guy? Well let's say whoever just plug in unsaid nose tackle. That person will probably be the worst person so we'll probably be tenth of Allaire base in their base of their bases. But that just means. That's how talented that they that they are on defense that our first round guy could potentially be their worst guy but that might mean something else as Jeff. Dawns the hater cap. Yeah I mean you were texting me. And we didn't know what the headline or the main topic was gonna be but before we got started on the steadily daily. Bring up these questions you asked me. Do you have them by by chance? You could go ahead and bring those. I've got it here. We go you. You were asking all these questions about. Thrill edmunds and I was like okay. We can talk about Edmonds. I'm not I'll be honest. I'm not a huge drill admits fan. I WASN'T A. I wasn't a big fan of this election at that time. I didn't think that they needed to pick him. In the first round I felt that he could have been there in the second some even suggest even third he could have been there. And when I hear that. That really ticks me off. Because my gosh they they'd spent a first round draft pick on anyways you ask the question. What does edmonds ceiling look like I gave you a responds? I want to know what your answer. So won't you want to let people know what what your response was? Looks like a tin roof fifty. Two's tin roof. Rusted see now. I'm not very familiar with the B fifty. Two's I think I know. Famous has loved that. Was Jack Franz writing? I don't know any love shack lyrics except for hacking the chorus and the word Love Shack. But I mean that's a great karaoke. He saw Don't know if it's a sin roof. I don't know it. Roofs are made up. I'm sure we have someone in the live chat. That could probably build a roof. So let's just say whatever. The best roof is made out of one that has maybe a fifty year warranty never leaks. He's not that roof. Ask probably your roof that as a twenty year warranty it may have to be patched a couple of times but what I do think about admins is I think is a glue guy. He's a very good sub packed. It's guy if he plays that dime backer roll like the steelers did with Morgan Burnett. I think if they put him in that role his value to that defense can be maximized. Because I think at this point in time I think with defense the more versatile secondary guys. You have the better defense you have so if you can bump him as into that dime backer role you can put a guy in a secondary that may be better as a coverage player and a player that has more awareness and it just gives you more versatility insult packages and it gives you more speed And more coverage players on the field because right now I mean you have to be really good against the pass. You got to be much more better against the past and you do the run so I think if they put him in that situational package as that guy backer. I think you start to maximize his value but just as a strong safety. I don't think he has a ton of impact on the defense. Or let me ask a okay. So Sean Manny and said it in a he's one of yours you're saying he said. Edmonds is a guy that he'll never be the guy and I agree. I agree but you brought up the the dime backer role. I agree that we've talked about this on our shows before. That is where he best fits. So I'm looking at this age. Okay if he's going to be that dime backer and we don't think that he's the best in the deep half then a part time player or is he someone that you're still gonNA put back there. Because I cannot get the play out of my head in Arizona. We all know the play. Yeah it was easy. Interception misjudges the ball. In it's a touchdown Adema made by not a dentist hush down but he doesn't even get his hands on the football in its completed pass. I think it was a touchdown. Anyways I can't get that out of my mind and just that's horrible for deep secondary play. How about this loop? Let me play the advocate here on his behalf. If I were his defense attorney he was in position to make the play now. He didn't make the play but he was there so he was. He was in the right position. He was in the area of the field to put herself in position to make the play. It wasn't as if was an awareness mistake that was a ball skill mistake and I think ball skilled mistakes can be corrected as opposed to or easier to correct than awareness issues. My issue with him is sometimes. He doesn't display a great feel for the game whereas Minka Fitzpatrick is a great ball skier player and has a great feel for where the ball is going to be in. His awareness was probably added nine or a ten right. I would put edmonds awareness closer to a five or six with ball skills around. I'd say Edmunds boss. I would say there's awareness is about a seven ball skills or about seven. There is death related. Were saying hold on. Hold on us at ball skills. At what set seven. He's how many interceptions does he have in his career with three one yet. That's how many pass offenses does he have. You said this on Wednesday. How many pass defenses as you have in two years as a safety guess? Eight seven seven okay. Well that's not leaving or seven will let me just okay now to. I'll get my outta ten. Now here's the prosecution has displayed some very compelling evidence. I may need to take continue. Wins and look for some more facts to defend this case because the evidence is not looking favorable. Journalists have a continuous yes. Here's your honor. I guess I look at Trail Edmonds. I say okay. We talked about how dynamic Mavis Patrick is. Everyone's drawn the comparisons to the best safety the best playmaker. The steelers defense has had since Troy Paula. Malai played we're not saying he is troy. We're not saying he's going to be troy. We talked last episode about how there's never going to be another troy. Troy just play the game of different way but for every Troy Paula. Malu there's a Ryan Clark. That's like the anchor. Yes is edmunds capable of being that anchor for Mega Fitzpatrick to do his thing. What do you think I don't? I don't think so the reason I don't think so because the problem by the beat I if they make Mingun to. This joker hybrid type player. They move around. He starts doing different things. I think to be the anchor to make a you have to have excellent awareness because you have to have awareness as to where minx should have been or could have been and you have to know your spot and you have to have kind of a feel for where you thinking. Offense is GONNA attack if Minka does something off script. So that's I think the beauty of Ryan Clark in. I'm trying to remember the safety before Ryan Clark at play Chris. The hope and Chris hope the very aware that great awareness and they have to have a great feel. When you play with the player that maybe has the freedom to improvise. You have to be extremely knowledgeable. It has great vision in a great feel for the game. But let me. Let me tease. This jeff is there a scenario where you see him. Being transitioned into a inside backer. Full-time they draft the safety in possibly moving safety and play another deep safety as a free safety and they kind of play to free safeties in a little bit different than your traditional free safety and strong safety. I know does get blended but edmonds is more of a strong safety. I think we could agree on but where you go with counter to free safeties and you bring it in the box to play that week that that inside linebacker with Bush or would they be too light not did that I am all. I am on board with that one hundred percent because you asked me in our tax before you're on the air. Who is a player comparison for Edmunds? And what was my answer? More Edmonds is another mark. Baron and I don't think there in terms of size that different because edmonds is a bigger bodied safety. Put Him out there as that hybrid safety and I'm actually excited about what he can do for the team. That's just me but I'm excited about what he could bring to steelers defense in sub packages in. I think that yeah. You can draft safety. And they've already been rumored to be looking at a couple of safeties one from clemson. Who would be a day three pick but for me? You already have your answer there in the. I think it might be Camp. Sutton if you're GONNA put if you'RE GONNA put Edmonds Down Low. Tell me why Sutton can't play the deep half alongside Mingka's Patrick or maybe or would you switch Hilton but Hilton. Plays the line of scrimmage better than sudden so I would want him to stay where he is. You agree or disagree yes. I'd want Hilton Day in that role. You need another coverage guy. So let's let's. Let's tease this out. If you move it men's into the box it. He's a linebacker. GimMe your sixty BS. Well obviously you have Nelson yet Hayden. You Have Fitzpatrick I guess if you put you've Hiltons on the field right that's four. That's four so use your is your fifth. I guess my question is. Are you taking another linebacker off to do this? You know you're taking Vince off. And you're putting him down the box. That's that's the problem is. Is it a guy like Justin Lane? I'm not sure babied. If they if they WANNA keep a heavier they wanna stay heavy. They always look for keeping Vince on in just keeping yours yours. Basically dollar defense they talked about before you would then sub off defensive lineman they have they have opposite in my opinion. Well what would you Let me just give you the differences in weight. I just looked at both guys bearing in Edmonds. They got Berend listed at two thirty in edmonds listed. A to seventeen to seventeen is kind of lighten. I'm trying to think when they put I'm trying to trying to think back in my head. When the steelers had Morgan Burnett? I'm trying to think back to the New Orleans saints game when they played Morgan. Burnett as the dime backer. I think they did take off. A defense of linemen in a kept. Aj eljay excuse me. Aj foyt eljay. Fort on the field. That's interesting because I think your advantage with Sutton. Is I think when you look at Sutton in Hilton. Sutton is the better coverage player. However you lose that element of Hilton. At the line of Scrimmage I. I think you could put Hilton because I know they did a little bit last year. Where they put Hilton as deep safety I think you could just do it that way. You Put Hilton as a deep safety. You Keep Cam Sutton as the coverage guy you might just blitz other people in not blitz. He'll not the line of scrimmage you might do it that way and let Hilton. Be that guy next to Minka Fitzpatrick Patrick and played at deep path. You'd probably be in quarters. I would think maybe covered three. But you'd probably be in quarters to a certain extent or may be covered six some quarters as some cover two different coverage on both sides of the Hashes but I think the thing about maximizing edmonds is impact on the defense. I think we're we're saying is to maximize his impact. It's up to the coaches if you keep him in that traditional strong safety role because of his issues with awareness amd ball skills. He's not gonNA impact again. He's going to be really just a supporting element. He's GonNa be like good milk in a recipe for some cookies. Awesome cake taste milk but if the milk is sour you definitely taste but if the milk is good you it just adds richness to the recipe. I think the frustration when steeler fans is they. WanNa see some icing on the cake. So some good Red Velvet Icing. Like they WANNA see some zing some possess because that's kind of what you want with the first round draft pick but I think the most valuable thing with edmunds right now is his door bill he plays snap snap out and I think with his athleticism you can get different things out of him. Based on whatever the creativity of the coaches so he's athletic and strong enough to be used in a variety of ways he's not limited like a Ryan Switzer. Who can't do anything I mean. He's just a physically talented and gifted guy. And so if the coaches configure it out. He has the athletic ability to possibly do it. Yeah Edmonds is to me would be perfect for that. Hybrid role and playing. Down the line. Scrimmage I just you know I was watching. It's going to publish on the website behind the Curtain Dot Com tomorrow megabits Badger joined. Espn's I take with Stephen. A Smith Max Kellerman. I guess it was early last week. I didn't see every time I see. Stevie I just don't listen but I did see making is just like a kid. Listen well so Minka was asked a bunch of questions and ask them individually. What are some of your goals for twenty twenty? 'cause he's already at the all pro first team all pro it pro bowl. He said my next goal for myself is defensive player of the year. He said I had a pretty good run at it last season but then all of a sudden he's they stop throwing at me because they start thrown at me. My statistics down. He wasn't able to get past offenses in an interception. Something we've talked about and not just us a lot of shows Msn nauseam that at a certain point offenses said. We're not gonNA throw to Fitzpatrick side. The issue I have and this brings it back to Tyrrell Edmonds. If he's playing the deep half they will know where to go with the football. You can't have in a weak link like that back in the back end because then you're nullifying all the dynamic aspects of makeup Fitzpatrick's game in my opinion. And so they like you said the coaches are going to have to be creative. I do think edmonds has a skill set that can be beneficial to the team. I really do at the same time. I don't know if he's the player that some people are expecting him to be or can be in twenty twenty. That's just my own opinion. Let me ask you this. I think I think with US fans in most people. Is that when you get drafted in the first round? It could be a gift or curse to give this. Obviously you get paid great money teams are going to give you a legitimate. Shake it for the most part to fail to succeed or fail. The other thing is that because you were drafted in the first round the League is probably going to give you a legitimate chance to fail over and over and over again because somebody saw first round talent and with the steelers doing it. It'll give Terrell Edmonds additional years that he may not get being a fourth rounder. Unfortunately when you get drafted in the first round dares expectation that goes with it. Especially if you're a Pittsburgh steeler first round draft pick in in drafted on the defensive side of the football. Is it acceptable for you Jeff? If a first round draft pick merely is a complimentary player I mean does a first round draft pick has to be this lights out all pro multiple pro bowl guy borderline hall effect me just hours. Round draft picks be great players. Or can they be Lawrence Timmons? Were there just solid? They play a vital role in your defense. Year-in-year-out it when you don't have been you go while he's not playing in. We see the difference. Yes a first round pick does have to have those same. They don't have to be a hall of Famer. Okay because we know that's as rarified air but a first round draft day does have to play they have to play well and they have to play a lot and you just I just described Lawrence Timmons steelers I seven. I guess the Question Edmonds. The book is still being written on him. Just like we always say. You can't great draft class the day after they were picked. You just can't do that and so it. He's going into year three. In my opinion this is a pivotal year for him. In a wide variety of ways. The steelers are going to have to make a decision on his fifth year. Option at some point. And they're gonNA have to know okay. Is this guy worth it. Or is he not and so does. Edmonds. Is He always there. Yes you brought durability. He's very very rural so far in his career. That's a good thing Has He shown some promise? I would go ahead and say yes that he has shown some promise at the same time. I DO CAUTION. Have a little bit of trepidation. We'll say we'll put it that way when it comes to what he's going to become an what could he become? Because someone in the live chat. I forget I it's obviously continues ago as AP keep talking. That's great is move Mako around more. You can't do that if you have a liability in the on the other side that you just can't. And so if if Terrell Edmonds has strict limitations on himself that he is not able to do what the steelers hoped he would as a first round pick endeavor. Therefore that hinders Minka fitzpatrick that is a death knell for your secondary. In my opinion we're all entitled to it. Yeah it's it's GonNa be interesting what they do because you know he's he's a tough evaluation. He doesn't necessarily kill you but he doesn't necessarily do enough to get you excited. You know he's you know he's the he's the the the seven I mean. He's the seven I mean he's the seven seven and a half you know for male or female like you know he's fairly attractive. He's a solid guy doesn't necessarily get you excited like. Oh the nine or ten. That is really bad for you. But it's really hot like you know like you never know like you know just as I hopefully didn't give an inappropriate We got you. I WanNa make it clear though because Ezra alive sheds as Edmund should not play safety. I'm not suggesting that he turns into a linebacker. I'm just saying that. They have a position now on their defense. In it's been well documented for Morgan Burnett to mark Baron that he could play that position. Can he then improve his skills in his ball skills enough in the back that he would never have to leave the field? That's the question. Entering twenty twenty will see Let me ask you one more question. Jeff can as we go into the hypothetical bag. You think he could bulk up. Maybe get to about two twenty five anywhere between two twenty five to thirty as full-time inside linebacker. So they just so. They don't have time to inside linebacker time inside the ACAR. What's Vince Vince? Williams heightened wait. That's look that up from. I'm I'm a guest. Vince is probably around two forty. Yeah he's also probably a little bit taller too little I would guess probably around there. I'm thinking but I'm thinking you know. Bush is probably what about two thirty to thirty five? They got Vince. Actually listed here at two thirty three six one hundred thirty three said deadman's is a big bodied safety. So could he potentially bulk up in? Yes play down the box full time. It's a possibility I just don't know I I. I need to see exactly what he looks like even in that hybrid role because that we've never seen in there. He didn't play their last year if he did. It was temporary and so we'll see still out there in awareness issues when you're playing linebackers run fits you kinda gotta feel where it's going in so awareness. You GotTa have a certain awareness at the linebacker position. But I don't think they probably drafted him as a safety to be a linebacker. I think that would be evidence of a bad evaluation of the player and that they're trying to just get the most out of the player because he was a first round draft before he eventually goes to another team so yeah and so did to kind of. Something's up on Edmunds. We'll see and that's that's I think he's a player that is definitely worthy of the discussion. Because he is. He's not the linchpin but he's a very important piece of the puzzle for the steelers defense moving forward so right now. I'm looking at her looking at my screen. We have one hundred and four people in the live chat right now watching. Live what we ask that you do is to like show case of all. These people are watching. If you're watching on your cell phone just accept alive. Chad hit the thumbs up. Go right back to the live chat. You haven't missed a thing. We appreciate everyone for doing that. and Rhino tools right Terrell Edmonds could bulk up if I was training him absolutely put him on the the twenty one program their ego. We'll get involved By the way you know who your client is going to have to come on the show. He's on a client yet. He is voiced some interest. We'll put it that way. Yes when he when he becomes a client. We have to see the before. And after I I definitely want to see that transformation we will. We will see signs up and he gets on board will. It's tough times for a lot of people finances are definitely type but with that said what I did before we went on the air. This is early in the morning. I went to our behind the steel curtain twitter account that's bt steel curtain. You can check us out there. If you don't follow us. Give us a follow and I said just looking for some steelers questions for the home. Run hitter podcast. Day Far Away. We had a pretty good response. So we're going to go through some of these questions. If you're watching live in the live chat go ahead and give us your answers as well. And so we'll start off the bandwagon top to bottom Frankie J Ryan says should the steeler sign claim at junior just for depth purposes? Now I have not seen him as someone that had signed with the team yet. He's a veteran. He knows what he's doing could be quality. Death could be on the cheap lance. What are your thoughts? Well it just depends on the price tag. I mean depth. They need depth at the outside linebacker position. If either one of the outside linebackers were hurt. Their defense would be severely impacted. It just depends on the price you know. I'm not sure what he played for last year. Who did he play for last year? The board for the Rams It just depends on the price tag. I mean if you look at the steelers cap situation and I'm bringing up here you know. I don't think they have a ton left. They have a million left. They can structure Stefan restructured so they could create space if they want if they restructure contracts to create space. You guys no rhyme leaning backup quarterback position so it just depends on the price tag. I think the idea is solid. I'm not sure about the player but I know they are a very vulnerable position. In terms of depth at both linebacker spots inside and outside so bringing in a veteran edge rusher would not be a bad thing. It's all about. It's all about the money that's always about now. This is a more of a comment and a question but Jordan on twitter said why do steeler fans continue to do post mock drafts when the steelers don't pick till forty nine sure. There has to be something for them better to do look Jordan. Let me say as a website editor and as a podcast producer. That when you don't have a first round draft pick it sucks. It really does because once the calendar turns from Free Agency and you start really focusing on the draft all these Audra Mel Kiper. Todd mcshay you name it very rarely do they go on to the second round so they have to. We have to create content. Okay that's what we are. We are content. Creators weighing sends me a few text messages doom the curious case of Terrell admits. Here's your podcast. You're watching it. Listen to it right now. It's content creation. Don't hate the people for trying to create content for you the fan. That's all I'm GONNA say Lance. You can say whatever you want about that. That's just my little spiel. You know I mean it in for us is especially challenging. I'm not draft guy at all. No need it at and we're not draft is so we talk about the draft merely because we have to talk about the drive. I mean I don't you know and my dad laughs at me because he's like look. Here's some stuff for you to read. So here's a couple of guys so when you're doing the POD I just don't go. I don't know anything about the embrace. The fact that I don't know anything about these guys because guess what none of you guys know anything about these guys either because guess what nothing that done in college matters enlight Terrell Like we talked about. Maybe the circle back to that just a bit. It's how they're going to be utilized. You can get a stud guy in college. Does everything well does everything specifically. Well whatever they go to another team and they may COMPLA- corner when they're safeties and they're getting killed as a corner or slot corner and you're like this guy is terrible. No Guy's not terrible because he wasn't utilized oil so it's just a wait and see what the draft let me. Just wait a year or two. Let me just evaluate the player game by game? Like the coaches do. I don't have to guess they're going to play and we'll see how they play. So you know two jobs point. We're trying to create content in the draft one of those elements absolutely and I love would read over and says because we're all stuck in our houses with nothing better to do there you go. That's why fans continue to much as yes and at this juncture of our world. This is where we are. I mean I was so bored the other day I actually watched some of the most painful one of the most painful steeler games I've ever had to watch and you can guess what game that was. Jeff my gosh. There's so many was it of. GimMe the year two thousand and one. Afc Championship game against the Patriots. Absolutely that's probably my worst steeler memory because it started their dynasty and it was just a terrible loss. I don't even WanNa talk about it. 'cause they'll what one offensive touchdown instill given night. Can we not do this right now? As a gay or are gave me a migraine. And that's real time. I gotTA migrated. I had to sleep for like seven or eight hours after the game. Just literally sick. It may be sick. I woke up the next day on Monday. All right next question came from lying. Peercy says he will have a big year next year. James Washington or Deontay Johnson. This is interesting because I believe it was on our show a couple of weeks ago this one or the standard. I get them confused and we were talking about Deonte Johnson's numbers and we all made the assumption that he led the team in receiving yards last year. He didn't it was James Washington. So Lance has the bigger year in. Let's go with two categories receiving touchdowns in receiving yards. He has the bigger. You're not take. He's GonNa have a better year catches touchdowns receiving yards in the one reason. I think that to be the case is when you watch both players on them. He gets off of press coverage much better than James Washington. I mean look at look if you want if you want to take a look at it if you guys have some access to NFL game pass. Look at his game against The outstanding corn from Buffalo. Just had the guy's name in my head but I just forgot his name. Dow starting first round the first rounder. Or I think. All PRO corner From Buffalo Indiana Johnson matched up against him one on one and he was getting on for press coverage pretty easily repeatedly Against Him and so. Why ain't gift today this white and so? I give the advantage to Deontay. John I think he's a better technician. I think he's more versatile in terms of route running and I think he's more dynamic after the catch then James Washington and that's not to say That I don't think James Washington is an emerging player. Because I what I saw James Washington last year specifically to play against the Cincinnati bengals. I mean there are not a lot of guys that can make a living and with stiff arm. I was great player. I shows you where his ceiling could be but I think he's more of a home run hitter type. Vertical Guy Run Vertical routes nine routes in the scene in on the outside. I think he's more of that outside. Receiver where deontay Johnson is more dynamic. So I think the Andre Johnson will have a better season in all of those categories. Okay I'm GonNa side within our buddy at McNair who put it out. He said there statue of different deontay with more catches Washington more yards. I do think Washington has more yards. I think he becomes a legitimate threat for the steelers this year but I think the deontay Johnson overall have the better quote unquote season. I think we'll have more touchdowns to point to that comment I think Washington's yards per catch will be greater. Okay Yeah I think it'd be probably fourteen and above James Washington okay continuing in our. Qa mailbag here Mason says. What are the expectations are? What are your expectations have been Snell? Thought he played well as the season went on. Last year improved. He was more explosive than advertised. And it's hard to bring him down as well Lance. Benny no jets. What are your expectations in year? Two can I answer this? By just saying JK dominance. Ooh Okay. All right that's a college guide. It lands knows his name. So that means he's paying did you get. Did your dad dislodge if he's favor? You're getting all these these vapors. Jk Dobbs if he's there it would be really tough to pass up. I'll put it that way if he's there so I think the Benny Snow could be a good complementary back. I'll put it that way. I don't think he is the guy I think he is. A change of pace type of player could be good but at the same time. I don't. I don't think he is the guy as we put it in the show before Jeff. Now you're now let's say Jeff you're having Like steak and potatoes right like potatoes are complementary to the state the state is the STAR. The potatoes are complementary now is beanie jets. Is He a complimentary or is he just a condiment? So you know how salt-and-pepper you put in the potatoes in there the condiment that you put in the potatoes to enrich the complementary dish. Is He condiment hell? I hope he's the potatoes I think he's a potatoes. It's I really do because I think that he's when I watched him run. He had a little and I say this has generally because he's a hall of Famer but he had a little Bussey to him if he had seen he runs hard. He's not the type of guy that's going to go down easily. I would love to see him feel a and I'm not sure if he is versatile enough to do this but to be like that a wealthy more type if you think back to how they utilize him he was a change of pace back. I remember change of pace can look like anything. That's different than what you're used to. So let's get. Jk Dobbins and say they donate stick with James Connor. James Connors a one cut down hill. I'm going to erect my body type runner. That's exactly what he does. And it seems like any smell is different than that. He has a different style. I like him as the potatoes. Not The steak there you go. There's your answer. Benny snail is S. D. In they don't have an hd back they have no high def back painting snappers as the standard def. Will Your Computer Looks Fuzzy in the background? All right let's go to the next question in the mail bag This is from steelers nation. Nine hundred zero. What has Mason Shown Mason Rudolph? He's referring to prove that he's a solid. Nfl quarterback in do you think he could be the future? It currently scares me to think he may be Benz predecessor. Any reassurance would be great. I'll go ahead and start here and say I don't think anyone in their right mind. The watched two doesn't nineteen would say did he is Ben Roth asperger's predecessor or who's next in line the heir to the throne however you WanNa put it for me. I look at base and Rudolf as an unfinished product that still has to prove itself and people in the live chat saying what about Paxton Lynch for me in my opinion if I'M THE COACHING STAFF. I'm going into twenty twenty. It's an open job. A veteran that comes in. You've talked about this a lot. We Know Ben's The guy. They've put all their eggs in. Ben Rothlisberger Basket and I don't even think they're thinking too much beyond his contract right now but at the same time I look at it and say Mason. Mason is is just another guy. That's going be competing for a job. Do you agree or disagree? I agree that Mason will not sit upon the iron throne. He will never rural western else. He never be that guy he would never sit upon the throne. He's like seven in succession. I would like him to be seventeen succession but unfortunately he's number two in succession. I don't want to beat a dead horse because I've beaten as dead horse over and over again here's I have and I you know. Look you know. He's not the guy I mean. The one thing he does well is take a punch. He rolled with that shot. Pretty well you know when he was fighting in the Cleveland game. He looked like he has some boxing skills. Unfortunately rolling conscious from helmets. Don't make you a really quality or and you know he's an attractive lad according to the Hartman House and you know. His hair looks nice and he says the right things but notice. I've not said anything about his ability to play the quarterback position and I'm just concerned about it bit. Been biotic big. Ben Only has two seasons left. I mean this is it and I just want to maximize the most out of those seasons. So of been goes down for you know a six game stretch you know I wanna go five and one of those games and I just don't think unless the defense plays at you know a a madman all pro pro whatever how the settings are madden Do just it just makes it very difficult. Get a quality backup quarterback so. Your season isn't lost. If ben is out for a quarter to a third of the season I agree. Okay let's move on Lori steelers. Gal says we'll stay after next season will or will he get a juicy contract instead. And everyone's pointing to the Amari Cooper deal is a hundred million total. Maybe a little bit north of that sixty million guaranteed. I believe if you actually look at the last. Three seasons their statistical production is better to say you know I don't know what his agent this is. Why lands. I told you months ago that if I were the steelers. I'm trying to get a an extension for juicy right now. His his his price tag is low. Because he's coming off an injury plagued season. If you feel like he's GonNa Bounce back try to get him locked up trying to get that done because you don't WanNa have to deal with all that stuff. What do you think is GonNa play out? I'm looking at Amari. Cooper deal in his cap hit for this year's twelve million but then that jumps to twenty two million over the next four years. They're not going to give a a wide receiver. That much money he will. He will not play. That number will heat where his cap numbers. Twenty two million especially not in twenty twenty one where Ben Rothlisberger cap number jumps to forty one million. It's GonNa be interesting with Ju Ju I I think Juju has a big year. He will definitely be offered a contract. I think he may be anyway I could see Juju plan somewhere else. the the wide receiver contract numbers are pretty high and with Ben. Rothlisberger only probably being the quarterback for one more season. I could see Juju plans somewhere else with a younger quarterback and for more money because you look at somebody's wide receiver contracts. I mean the the average per for Julio Jones is twenty two million Amari Cooper is number two in Football League at twenty million Michael Thomas. Nineteen point to to repeal eighteen million Odell Beckham eighteen million. Aj Green Seventeen eighteen million. Mike Evans Brandin cooks. You look at the top wide receivers. I mean even an atom dealing is sixteen point to Jarvis. Landry is fifteen point one. So you know who's GonNa want average per year at least fifteen sixteen million and I. I don't know if they're GONNA do that for him in for a wide receiver. So I I could see Jew because of the money amd because been won't be there another five years playing for somebody else. I think he stays. I think they get him a deal. I think that it's going to be just a typical steeler deal. That's light on the front end backloaded. But when you're naming off all those receivers it wasn't until you got to Brandin cooks and Adam deal and those guys that I was like. Yeah that's where juju belongs but no one is saying that he's Michael Talks. No one is saying that he is You know all the elite guys in the NFL right now. But he's that I think he's at upper second tier into this year's election. I don't think they will go unless he has another bad season. I think bringing back. Because if he has another bad season and he thinks he's getting fifteen million a year. You're not he's nuts because he's not going to get it he's GonNa lose three. Throw you a name out here. Do you think he's better than Keenan? Allen that's a tough one now no let's average for years at eleven point two if they could get Juju at around eleven point. Two juju will be back You know 'cause these wide receiver contracts are pretty big. I mean they got T. Y. Hilton at thirteen million. You think he's better T. Y. Hilton Yeah I think he is. Okay so maybe that's the number right there. Because Alan Robinson's at fourteen million on average I think the the deal is fifteen million or lower. I don't I don't think he warrant sixteen billion although because you're talking about sixteen million you're talking about De'andre Hopkins in up. So it goes Hopkins Cook Evans. Green Beckham Hill. Thomas Cooper and Julio Jones and I don't think he's an Michael Thomas I don't think he's better than any of those guys. It'll be interesting. I think Juju plays somewhere else. We differ. I think he stays land. Says he's gone all right so here. We go next question from Austin. We'll try to get all these done before the end of the show. Where do you see James Connor? One year from now. Do you think this is the year he turns it around or will someone take his place possibly a draft pick personally? I've grown tired of disappointment. Injuries in onfield play as much as I liked him as a person. Where do you see James Conner in one year in the national football league but not playing for the steelers? I tend to agree and he would have to have another proble year to make me think otherwise and so I think we agree on that. One is just not in the cards right now. For James Condo remained with the steelers. And you know a lot of people will be disappointed. But you know it's it's the nature of the beast pretty much Which steeler from Thomas Cole? Which steeler free agent will perform the best slash? Have the biggest impact. He is comparing Steven Nelson to James Farrior. That's a tough one. Because they're both free agent. Acquisitions I see. Ferrier came from the jets Nelson from the chiefs in first free agent stint in the NFL. That's James Farrior was really good. Very good yeah. Good verse Nelson at a star. Would you say ceiling be that type of player? That impact player I do. I mean I do because of the importance of the quarterback position. I mean you have and I and I'll say right now. I think he's better than eight and I think he had a better year than aiden and with hating getting older. You know at least you have that one side of the field. Pretty much locked up. I think the Nelson free agent signing is going to be one of those signings we look back on and say you know that that was a nugget. That Cobra pulled out of his hat in for a pretty good price to absolutely and Nelson was the highest paid free agents dealers history day one transit. They knew what they knew what they wanted. They went and got him and I. I'm going to be honest to Stephen. Who What and shockingly the when the cheese got rid of him and low let him walk. I reached out to the chiefs website. And they were like you know. This guy's no good and I had really low. Expectations is that he played really well above the expectations. I had formed. That's awesome to see okay. Next was from Persian in. Bobby's dad his twitter handle not mine. If two it has another injury plagued season is a time to move on no. I don't think it's time to move on. I think you got too much money yet again. I mean some of these answers you know you know. It's all always the three. Ps performance pain pedigree right and I it in sometimes players. It's it's just it's just pay. I mean it's you. It's you look at the dead. Cap Charge. I mean if they I mean but I'll say this with Mr third and fifth. They absorbed in an absorbent amount of dead money. So it's not to say that they won't do it but typically when the dead money in the cap savings are distorted so in twenty twenty one so if they were to cut him. Let's say this year they're dead money. Chart would be seventeen point eight million dollars and they would have a negative cap savings so what that does is that protects the player. That's his insurance. That unless he injured himself to the point where he can't play he will be appointed for the steelers that that ratio doesn't turn around until his last season whereas if he were cut the dead money would be six million in the cavs. Savings would be nine so if you're looking for him to get waived it would be in twenty twenty two not in twenty twenty or twenty twenty one because he's pretty much protected by the amount of dead money charge and yeah he said. Well I think rod youngs is land. Sound Smart Today. You got this. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Even a broken Clark is right twice a day now with that said I have a question. This is not from twitter. This is for me simple. You kinda wanted to touch on this. We have about six minutes left in the show will Antonio Brown play in the National Football League in. Hell no real leave. I asked you this a month ago and he said Yes hail not I mean. The guy just got charged with what three more charges today? I think it came out like that. A felony in a couple of hell. No no no no no. He's not playing. He's at a position where great players play his position. Every single cities like you get great receivers that come into the league all the time and he's getting older. He's getting crazier and the longer it takes for him to get on the field. The harder it's going to be. He is never going to play. He needs a year of no noise and another year of no noise puts him one thirty two thirty three. I who needs a thirty-three-year-old small receiver when I could get a dumb guy that's going to run through a bar run through a wall do everything I say. That's twenty one that I can coach in mold. I don't have to bring in some old guy with baggage that thinks. He's a prima donnas superstar. Whose name is gummy Richards. No Way Gummy Richards. Mr Third and fifth will never play again. Let's remember this too while all this stuff's going on with him off the field the reason why no one is signing him is because even if they do sign him he will go on. The commissioner's exempt list. And he will wait. Pundit await punishment whenever his core proceedings are concluded. That's why no one's picking him up and like you said let's say it takes a year for all this stuff to sort itself out from the judicial system and all that if that's the case not only a year older the den if a team signs him the team can still say you're suspended for X. Amount of games for contract conduct detrimental to the league. And so I just think that every single second is is another missed opportunity for him but steeler fans feel like they got the short end of the stick. Here Nanna Raider fans should be really upset. Oh yeah he knew his butt out of the airport that was all he played that really well and then screwed it up activate legal and he played that like a master chess player. Like a Bobby Fisher and then you know. He forgot how to play chess as soon as he got to. New England steeler Fan said. Oh my gosh. All we got was a third and a fifth round. Pick the raiders got absolutely nothing zero not thing and he's probably GonNa win any other reason why I think he's probably GonNa win that arbitration case with the Patriots and probably get his money. I mean that's what makes me sick. And he's probably going to get his money so in but you know it couldn't to a better team than that team up north. They have to pay a B but Kudos to to Robert Kraft for for for what he did earlier. In the week I think Sending the plane to China and bring him back supplies for hospitals to FICO with nineteen. So big up to to Robert Kraft in the Patriots on your tag all right now. Let's take you. They always digging patriots. I mean yes I can't I can't I can't I can't do it. I'd joke with Mario Brothers data at the day-to-day searched the plane for five flicked to Chinese women. Oh my gosh. I can't see you brought out side of me Jeff. I was trying to keep my horns. What you brought. This white is the like I said. We started the show. We might be switching hats today. I might be more hater before. You just never know what you're gonNA get so lance anything to add recall the show. It's been a good show so far. Were any show that I could say Wipes and you could dig. Robert Kraft his bid a great show. I mean wet wipes Robert Kraft Small Asian women in the back of the plane is going to be an excellent show. Exum Oh we have to talk about this Dallas. We were going to talk about this Dallas. He has a question hate on when about that on Wednesday. Because we did. We did check but with that listeners. Hey let's make sure. The Nation is taking care of the nation still nations taken care of steeler nation. Keeping everybody safe you know doing your shelter in place washing your hands. Maybe putting your mask on. Let's make sure we keep everybody safe. Take care of everybody love in. Make sure we keep everyone safe. But with that we're going to conclude the program and is always tune in tell a friend and subscribe. Amen couldn't have said it better. Everyone will see you next week for another episode of the homer in the hater. Show stay blast. We'll talk to you.

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The Live Mike, Part 1: Will the salary cap shut the Steelers window after 2020?

Behind the Steel Curtain

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The Live Mike, Part 1: Will the salary cap shut the Steelers window after 2020?

"Pittsburgh steeler fans what is going on on this Friday evening I'm Michael Beck your hosted. I might get his my pleasure to join you each and every Friday night. And we got to, we got some great steelers stuff going on going to have some fun conversation tonight. So I'm a I'm excited have each and every one of you along on the ride with me kicking things off a little bit of news nothing super super huge. But the steelers did workout to de'andre Tompkins earlier today If you recognize that name is because he was a penn state alumni. I. Don't believe any relations to umbrella Tompkins the former patriots receiver that had a bit of a drop and fumbling problem But anyway. played next NFL last year for the DC defenders He also tried out for the jets earlier in the offseason. But the steelers did decide to bring back one MR side black today. And Cutting James Lockhart to fit him on the roster. So I don't know if if Diori Tompkins is going to still be signed here but some I'm kind of a kind of leaning to the direction that it probably won't happen after the signing of re-signing I should say of side black. Today, we got a fun little topic. Kind of an eye to the future, as well as talking about What these guys gotTa, do this season here. We're going to break down kind of the top offensive and defensive free agents of twenty, twenty one and the steelers team and guys out to. We'll see what they need to do to kind of get another contract here in Pittsburgh so. For you guys that are already in the live chat. Now I'm I'm I'm curious your thoughts on who who's the one free agent you think this team cannot afford to lose. So shoot that in live chat to will run through some of those. Throughout the show. So getting things started off I think part one here. Today we're GONNA be talking a little bit about the defensive guys. There is a long list of steelers that are GONNA be free agents in twenty twenty one, and there's going to be a lot of impact players. I think even before we started this list I, I should say that Kevin. Colbert I believe was yesterday or two days ago was asked about. The the salary cap and the potential of it dropping one, hundred, seventy, five, million dollars from one, hundred, Ninety, eight, what it is this season and if that if that, that's the case Kevin. Kevin Colbert. I should say did DID Almost gave a non answer but kind of reaffirmed to me that it's almost like all the GM's are kind of worried because he basically just said everyone's in the same situation. We're just true. every any every single NFL team is going to have to make some really really tough decisions this off season, but it's not like the NFL is just going to allow every single one of their players debt free agents. Any any quality player two sitting in the free agency pool. This year just isn't going to happen. A specially, if if a bunch of these guys just kinda decide to to kind of spite, everyone and then the two teams ten accounts space next year. Even if the cap were to drop his Indianapolis Colts in the New England patriots. Now. I don't know about you guys but I I don't really WanNa see the Patriots sign all these. All pro pro bowl players to one million dollar deals because they're the only team that can offer them that contract. So I'm a little bit worried in that sense but I don't think the NFL is going to allow that to really happen. There's going to be some sort of situation maybe renegotiation with the Players Association in a way to. Kind of figure out a way to kind of reduce everyone salaries. So up everyone can still play in the league. You don't you're star players not playing and. If that means the the veteran minimum drops ten percent or every single contract that's still signed drops ten percent. Then that's probably what's going to happen just because the NFL PA is GonNa want all their guys getting paid. They're not just going to settle for anything less. And I don't think the owners would. Would really want to see all these guys as free agents either. But if in some weird situation these guys are Are Kinda hooped in twenty, twenty one, and then just hoping the cat bounces back in twenty twenty two, we're going to see a mass exodus of steelers players, and for that reason, this year could be that. And I hate to say. All or nothing year. Because it, there's some potential that ton of all pro former, all pro pro bowl type players could be off this team which. It's not helping anyone. And especially when you look at teams that have quarterbacks on deals on their rookie deal. The, those are the teams that are going to this. No problem. We Got Ben Rothlisberger at forty, two, million dollar cap it in twenty, twenty one. That's a little bit worrisome and that that's absorbing. So much of the space that. If it were to drop like there's some rumor saying that it will Then there's not going to be a lot of room left for these guys. Kind of kicking off some of these free agents. We're GONNA start on the defensive side like you said a little bit earlier we're going to start off with a TJ's running-mate one Mr Bud depre-. It's really interesting. See what's GonNa happen with Bud of course there was that kind of rumor that can afloat around earlier this week that the steelers were sniffen the sniffing around Judean cloudy and potentially bring him in that would have to be involved with the steelers trading but depre- I don't think that's going to happen. But still think this is going to be bud depre- final season in Pittsburgh. No matter what happens here. It's Just one of those tough spots They just can't afford to bring in everyone bring everyone back. So in this situation I think think but depre- breaking out Kinda hurt his chances of staying in Pittsburg because he did leave a fairly big impact and And the way the guys are getting paid nowadays like you even see Buddha Baker that the cardinals just throwing around money like they don't really care about what will happen in twenty twenty one. But debris concede sixteen, million dollar multi year deal which I know the steelers weren't willing to offer. So that's a that's a little that like that's just too much money for this team it won't work. So. Unfortunately. The writing is already on the wall they saw they drafted out. Third round for reason. He is the apparent to that spot. They're gonNA work in. Of course, denny, another free agent coming up this year has been having a great training camp. So it potentially, he could win that spot but. They got to be able to sign him to, but that could be one of those situations where a few years ago. Now, the steelers decided to take a and re-sign one Tony Brown over a Mike Wallace who's a unproven but at the time was showing some good stuff. In his development moving forward in his career. So there's some potential that Ola Danny could be the guy in that spot in two thousand, twenty one over guys like but debris in Ola Denny but I think the writing is on the wall for old bud If if he could have a year like got Ezra saying the chat here. Thirteen sacks to force fumbles an interception. That would be huge if we if he could get give us a year like that he's probably getting close to twenty million dollars a year this. Still he's GonNa have nowhere near that amount of cap space even without signing any of these guys so. If if bud can have that kind of he's going to get paid he's GonNa get paid somewhere else. It'll be sad to see him go especially because the steelers were so patient with them and he finally hit he took off in stride. And he he's earned himself future in the NFL and if he can continue to roll on like he did last year and even improve and only makes this this top ranked defense across the entire NFL that much better. Speaking of that top ranked defense and where they get where they can get their leadership from Mr Ken Hayward. This is a really really interesting deal for me I think we all want to get done but the fact is camps thirty one years old. And if you're deciding, okay, we're going to have to pay cam somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty million dollars a year. That's not an exaggeration. We've been seeing the deals of guys at Greg Jarrett Aaron Donald Chris Jones I I firmly believe can hayward's the second best interior defense when football only behind Aaron Donald. So if he's going to be getting paid that amount of money. That might start to affect what you have to give to. TJ. MINKA. There's just so many other mouths that have the Fed down the pipeline I hate to say, but a thirty, one years old. It's almost like that kind of Patriot adage where they just they let their star players walked they don't care they sign huge deals and then they just pick up three or four third round picks in compensatory and draft more great players they do ear out. and. It frustrates the hell out of me because every year when they announced the compensatory selections. Patriots somehow go thirteen and three, and then they get four third round compensatory picks it in one sense it's like it doesn't make sense. How could they be that? Good but losing so much talent. But then you realize that you're drafting twelve players a year. And they have by far the most compensatory selections across the entire League some cases combined. So. In this sense, it would be a really really hard moved to see cam sign like i. have a feeling in the pit of my stomach if I saw Cam, Hayward signed with another team but. It's one of those moves that it. It makes your future a little more difficult I. Don't know if you can give Cama five year deal if it's a two three year deal I'm all for it but. He really only has one more big payday left in him. especially at his position and what he does. So I think there's A. Good chance that he's probably GonNa want to take the most amount of money that he can make because he's been on fairly team friendly contracts, his entire career of course, the first five years that what thirty first overall pick in the draft. They don't get paid a ton. Even. Though he did come up in that Arrow before Before that last CBA when the rookie contracts were a little bit more inflated. It's tough to say, but I won't be mad at Camp for signing for more money elsewhere It's it's one of the things that I've always kinda thought like if you worked for company a for fifteen dollars an hour. And Company becomes long says we want to pay you twenty two dollars an hour. I. Think we'RE GONNA take that deal and I take that the same way to professional athletes if someone's just gonNA offer them so much more money. Or they offer them a deal in their home state. I I really couldn't blame them for doing that in the slightest So in that sense I, hope cam gets resigned. I don't know if it gets done unfortunately, it'd be brutal I know a lot of us would hate that but. When you look at what has come down the pipeline in the future if the steelers can hang on to Cam Hayward for three years or less I think that's the perfect situation So. Moving on with that because I think that would be the toughest loss to to handle and it would be more than that A. that's the unfortunate side of this upcoming offseason support for this podcast comes from Microsoft teams the world has changed and Microsoft teams is there to help us stay connected teams the safe and secure way to chat meet call in collaborate to learn more visit Microsoft dot com slash teams. The steelers are GONNA THEY'RE GONNA have to lose star. Players. And it's not just going to be one. Probably not just going to be two. It could be more than three and that that really kinda makes me sick a little bit. As her here's who do you pick? To let go camera Juju. I'm. I'm always go with the receiver in that situation because especially with the rise of seven seven, you UC way more talented wide receivers popping up way more often. But in this sense. honestly I see I see a situation where both guys in having to go just because there isn't the money for them and to lose two fan favorites like that in one off-season would-be a brutal pill to swallow. But it's one that I think we need to be prepared to have happen just moving along down our list here and the sticking with the D. Line the steelers just traded for Chris. warmly. He someone that could be a potential replacement if cam were to go away but he's a free agent to, and this is one of those things when the steelers traded for Nick Bennett a year ago they gave up a fifth round pick and then they didn't resign him. To me what's the point in doing that like a Luke Wilson who was immediately signed by Seattle after they turned them away would have given you the same production without losing that pick. Now. There were rumors that the steelers really love Annette. They were trying to trade for him for years after trying to drop them but came up just just shy the seahawks did. I I. Don't understand. Don't understand the move and then when Pittsburgh trading a V for Chris warmly, and then the ravens turn around and turn a fifth for Campbell. I know I know a little backwards there but That's a little worrisome especially, if they can't resign warmly that that would just be a brutal trade Warmly this year unless there's injuries isn't gonNA play a ton he'll. He'll get his snaps, but he is not someone that's going to come in steel steph on tour to Camp Hayward's job but as Russia Oberstein says in our live chat here. I think warmly may not even make the roster. There's potential that might not even happen which would be sickening when you give a drop pick for literally nothing but warm been hurt he's been standing on the side a lot There's been talk to save on Walker the former exit feller who's also a free agent coming up in two thousand, twenty, one I'm telling you this list is insanely long, but he's looked good and he could steal a spot. And then you keep going down that defensive line list big Dan mccullers who kinda got called out by Keith Butler a I think it was today I'm already get my day screwed up. It's Friday I promise. I haven't been in the survey says yet but Dan mccullers he's been around this will be your seven and he pretty much has an unchallenged job He's going to be tackling this team but can you continue his his seven year run like honesty to me it's almost a mean it's it's funny that he stayed around for so long and only has twenty one career solo tackles, which is which is funny honestly he's averaging three tackles a year and he's played seven years in the NFL. Without the steelers deciding like all right. Maybe we need some fresh in here but. You kinda you can probably move on from Dan but. If you lose cam if warmly doesn't pan out if save on has a great year and he ends up signing elsewhere on a huge deal. Reciting Dan mccullers and be like here's a whole lot more playing time. I would hate to see that happen, but there's a scenario were all this pans out and I don't want to be like not fearmongering guy. But this season is super important I. think to this team because there's going to be a massive turnover and I think there's going to be a a lot of turnover around the entire NFL and a bit of a rebalancing of sorts just because there isn't any money. To be had I think the owners really if they want the NFL how some sort of consistently, they really got to put up this year or I should say next year they just gotta they gotta eat it and honesty like. To these billionaires when when the cow like at the very least a flat cap and one hundred, ninety, million dollars like I know the TV deal hasn't come through yet but it will it will. It's the NFL, the biggest sport North America So, if they just ate an extra twenty, million dollars in twenty, twenty, one that potentially I, think could go a long way. In protecting every single franchise and keeping these guys on their teams that they should be in like. I couldn't even imagine if there's a situation where no-one could afford. Can he sources and then patriots like, Hey, we've seven million dollars come on over and that like. You couldn't blame the guy can. Play in the NFL. His options are playing New England or sitting on your couch. I think he's going to go play and if that's the case, I think owners of other teams to be like maybe we are willing to shell out a little bit more money this year so. Crazy. And ridiculous doesn't happen like that or or we don't have. Like a free agent team that could win the Super Bowl if they were actually playing so something's got to happen. Something's gotTa give but. Getting back to our list of our defensive players, another defensive Lineman, Tyson Allahu he someone who could be potentially on the last year of his career on the whole I believe the third oldest or second oldest member of this team behind Ben I wanna say there's someone else but he might even be the second oldest player on this team. He. He's had a crazy long run the NFL I. Think this is his eleven season If the steelers lose CAM. And Losing Tyson who are honestly I think Tyson Aloe Aloe anytime there's been an injury he stepped up. He's produced and I've never worried a defensive end had went down or any defensive line because he slipped right back in was. Produce Fine. So if he chooses to retire, so be it. It would be a definite loss in my opinion but. The steelers GONNA. Find a way to bring back at least to those defense line at least and if they want if they want their super bowl window to stay open with Ben Rothlisberger gotta get guys around him. This great defense could be stripped apart a little bit by this lack of a salary cap in twenty twenty one. The defensive backfield. I should move back one position less to start off with your the linebackers. Really. Really Losing depre-. Roberts Blaine is also free agent. In twenty twenty one he's going to be a a pretty key special teamer this year. I just forgot I forgot stat but. Six Games that he played last year to say he had like eleven special teams, tackles something ridiculous and he's he's probably GonNa be the fourth linebacker on this roster. And he's going to be someone that That potentially Choubey be brought back just because they're their impact on special teams just Kinda changes game changes that flipping the field as some might say so that's really it for the linebacker side the hardest hit here on defense by far the defensive line there are few names in the defensive backfield however. Namely the first one on top by Kim. He's been arguably the best slot nickel corner in the NFL. Since he broke out since since he was undrafted by by the Patriots and then signed by the steelers. One of their few misses they're usually the team that cleans up on on those guys but. Mike Hilton. His loss would be huge just because the steelers some never really found a guy that's played that road there really hasn't ever been a guy that I can think of that has played that rule like Mike, Hilton has where he can come down on the running game rockets. Some saks help out and coverage be backup safety He can bump out a corner if you need 'em like I know the team ago other ways before that. But if you needed it, he could do it Mike Helton's a Mr all around He, his loss would be huge as well to this team but I think one that It would be an easier pill to swallow because the team could take their defense in a couple of different directions. If they were if it meant between US saving Cam Hayward's job in Pittsburgh I. Think they're making that move. But Hilton Hilton is going to be an interesting situation here. He's one of those guys that isn't in your extreme core, but he's still really really good to this team and he he runs his job very well. A losing him it'd be tough. But It is a potential spot that can happen and the team would be alright. I think. He's almost it's almost like a gadget player on the defensive side if that makes any sense just because he's a Swiss army knife and he does a lot of things really well. and. He really is he's one of those guys that when he steps out on the field, he can he can make a plane. So many different ways a defense alignments, not normally getting interception A free safety isn't only getting a a sack Mike Helton this guy who can get a sack one play and then pick off the next and that's that's just the way he plays the game so. Losing. Mike, would be. One of those. One of those players that really changes your defense and how you run stuff just based on how he plays the game but it it's something that might have to have happened. another guy that he's kind of competing with for a little bit of snaps yours, Camp Sutton who's been also getting a ton of brazen training camp. Because who hasn't the steelers shipping getting a ton of praise, your training camp. So before we get it around that, I'll keep on the Sutton talk but steelers twenty twenty watch out for it cam sudden getting back he he is someone who Keith Butler is is really raved about he's Mr All around the field right now he he he's a primary backup outside a corner East competing with Mike Hilton for slot reps especially in passing situations because the guy he can line up on anyone and he falls around the field and he's a, he's a shutdown backup corner get something you don't really hear but he someone who's extremely talented. And if the steelers decided, they had a clear up some cap space by getting rid of some bats. Johan's guys making or seven million dollars a year. And if you call them. It's pretty much the entire savings the whole thing. So I love Joe, but that's a potential move. If it meant getting camps on back for two million dollars a year and you're able to keep Tam and you're able to keep a couple of these guys on offense. I wouldn't want to lose Joe Haden. But again, it's one of those things where you got to keep your team young like you can't start relying on guys at our regressing at the end their careers, but it's a potential move that could happen. and. If it were to that would be pretty brutal but some. It's something I. Think we need to potentially be prepared four. Continuing with another defensive back. During, dangerfield. That's another special teamer. like Roberts Blaine he's going to win his job based on what he can do in that in that role. On the third phase of the game Kicking it back a little bit. Both as saint please do not Joe Ronald Tool Joe is still producing a high level. I. Completely Agree Joe Haden he is. He has not lost a step yet The thing is though. It happens to everyone I guess if your name isn't Tom Brady but everyone else at some point, they start to regress. And if you're signing if you're signing guys into the future where Some of those years that they might be those big time producers but say it's safe six year deal In the last four, they just regress until they're basically a backup you're paying them to be a top four guy at their position. It, hurts your team and. Sometimes you just. There was a term in in journalism school. That's it sounds pretty dark but when you have to cut a clip that you that you really loved. But it doesn't fit your story. Art Teachers would say you you gotTa Kill Your Babies. You got to get rid of those things that you love. It makes it better even though that thing that you view as your best your best piece, it doesn't make the collective better and. In a roundabout way it, it's something that comes to NFL team building and It's something that guys that hit their thirties guys guys have to kind of get moved then. MOVED OUT IN. It's unfortunate but you gotTa keep your team's age year average age younger than thirty otherwise a bunch of old guys that aren't quite as fast anymore. It's one of those moves I'm telling you. We have to be prepared for as fans. If, it meant keeping a cam. and An and. Someone some other names or other names I think it's a move that team would consider and that's just something we need to be prepared for one more defensive player. Before we flip over to part two one who's also having a great cap is Marcus Allen. I'm if you haven't heard, he's playing like that Mark Baron role from year and he's been excelling at it in camp, which is really good to hear because he was one of my picks to for sure cut. This year but It sounds like he is someone that that is going to find a niche for himself on this team The same way mark Barron moved up from safety to to inside linebacker looks like that's what mark is going to do as well, and if he can really grab the bull by the horns on that. I believe the six round pick that that's huge US great value if he can if he can land on this team. And and do something really well and if can succeed in that role better than the better than what he did I think I. think that would be an outstanding spot for him He has he isn't showed it yet but. It's going to be interesting to see what happens like graduate says here. missed. Missed Michigan. Michael he got cook yesterday yesterday by Bennie Snow for three or four Reps. BACKSTROM backers drill I, believe it was I think I think he's been more successful in the passing game is where the reviews are coming from not so much blitzer but maybe a little more spirited effort in in the passing game than compared to mark Barron, who at times lost and at other times lazy. And with that I think, will kick it over to the offense side. So if you're listening on our podcast platform, make sure to catch a part two and flip over as always. My Name is Michael Beck deputy editor behind the steel curtain DOT com.

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Steelers Burning Question: Should the Steelers let Bud Dupree walk?

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Steelers Burning Question: Should the Steelers let Bud Dupree walk?

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It was fantastic. You might have to turn a little bit up because an audio levels were a little bit low so make sure you do that. Though in a joint interview at endure an interview made you want to jump into the burning question. Let me read the burning question here before I read that burning question. I WANNA tease laid back. Just a little bit and thank all of you guys for jumping into the live chat prior to the show and I might do that moving forward I might make you guys patiently. Wait a kind of put the title up so to to get you guys kind of ready for the show. Oh to start and the title of the show of the burning question for this week is should the steelers lead but to pre walk before before I get into that want to give a big shout to my co host. Jeff Hartmann also WANNA give a big shout out to the Oracle of the website day. SCOFIELD WANNA give a shout after WHO's bad brannagh. Anthony Davis HASHTAG MR to a also want to give a big shout. Tony Death. Theo and I wanna ask you guys. How do you guys like the new nickname that I came for or that I created for Mr Third and fifth Mr Gummy Richards? And if you don't know what Mr Richards let's just say Mr third and fifth through a bag of gummy richards to his baby mama last week in an altercation Mr Gummy Richards. But but the reason I wanted to chime in an echo back sorta to the interview that I did with n last night again. Thank you for an wet stone for breaking down. The cap for us is just at question. Should the steelers let but to pre walk and when I talk about ball players if you are familiar with the show would would've listened to me talk about the three. PS that's pedigree production in pay. That's how liked to evaluate a player. And so no. But I WANNA I WANNA add another p. to this and that's pain because we talked about it yesterday today on the program that there is some pain associated with creating the cap space to retain but depre- and a question with but pre in the whole question of should the steelers let but to pre walk. The question is is the pain to clear the cap space for him to possibly tag him. Is it worth the pain. The pain is you may lose Mark Baron Mark Art player had its struggles. I think during the season but I think now that you got this defense in a place where it is dominant unit. Maybe you don't WanNA lose mark mcbarron. You might potentially have to use Vance McDonald if you lose that McDonnell. Maybe you have to lose Nick Veneta as well well. And you're left with the second year player as you're only tied in on the roster Anthony Chick low as a player. I think everybody would agree. That you cut Ramon foster four million dollars in terms of cap savings if you waive him. Maybe if you don't set aside the franchise tag for Alvin Bud pre maybe you can keep foster. We're also talking about Jordan Berry Dale mccullers and a valuable backup. Lineman enticing Lulu played very well last year I believe levers. PF grade was about eighty five. So you're talking about twenty five million there when we talked about it last night on the the interview that I did with an N.. Talked about the steelers might have to create thirty five million and cap space to tag duprey as well as to potentially bring back your restricted free agents and filer Barron and Mike Helton and potentially give a contractor. BJ Finney as well well as sign your rookie class. You're talking about thirty five to forty million dollars cap savings that you would have to create. So that's why I get back to this question question. Should the steelers let bug to pre walk. Is the pain worth the production. Is the pain that you would have to do to get to that cap savings to bring him back. Is it worth it now. One other thing and I don't WanNa give it all away but IAN brought brought up a very interesting thing when it comes to the position of outside linebacker. I think we all agree that T.. J. Watt what has to get a long term contract. I think we all agree that T.. J. Watt is worth backing up. The brinks truck A.. T. J. Watt is not a one hit wonder and that's another question is how confident as steeler fans are you that bud to pre. He was not a one year wonder. And we're going to go into the numbers to compare T. J. Watt and but debris so. I think it's a difficult question I don't. I think it's one that simple to ascertain an answer to but it's a question that steelers are going to face now. The point that the and brought up in the interview yesterday to make sure again. You check out on interview that I did last night on. Yeah I said with an whetstone of steel city insider Cap Hala his Catholic shorthair less. Imagine that the Pittsburgh steelers sidebar to pre to a long term contract. I think we all agree that after this the season. TJ WATCH GONNA get a long term deal now do you want to allocate forty million in cap two outside linebackers now. The thought is that the CAP is GonNa raise to about two hundred million. Let's say it raises six percents. Is it a another six percent it goes to about two ten to fifteen By the time. The T. J.. Why is available to to get a long term deal? Oh do you want to allocate roughly twenty percent of your cap. It might numbers could be off but do you want to allocate twenty percent of your cap to the outside linebacker position. Can you afford to do that. Is it a case. Where if you allocate that much cat resource to that position that you compromise the rest of your team and like Ryan Kellerman said? TJ's getting paid. TJ Is getting the backs the brinks truck backed up to his house in fat. TJ Is going to get so much money that TJ is gonNA possibly get the highest contract ever over for defensive player. Why because it's a high value position you get sacks in? His production is outrageous and it has been from day one. Now all of this you have to weigh against production and that's one thing that Ian I thought expertly brought out any interview that when you come to make in cap decisions it's not about cap. Maneuvering Capman New Shah. All this different stuff it's about player evaluation and does that make sense when it comes to paying players so just easily. It comes down to you. Pay Players that you've Audi but you have to get the player evaluation right now when you look at bud to pre and I wanna I wanNA pop up some bug to pre numbers here and I want to give you those numbers and after I give you the numbers I want you to answer the question in the live chat of whether it's worth all the pain shoot the steelers go through the pain to retain Alvin Bud to pre and also if they do inside him to a long term contract and I know what the owners said it that they that they're that's their highest priority and I know that's what the coaches said but you have to determine before that is he a one hit wonder and when you look at his numbers his rookie season for Saks twenty sixteen four and a half sacks twenty seventeen gene six sacks twenty eighteen five and a half sacks in a breakout year twenty nineteen in his contract year in eleven and a half sax. Now I broke down those numbers a little bit more and on average. He's averaging As I look at the number here he is averaging six point three sacks per season his high year was last year at eleven and a half so in the first four years years and so his career total was thirty one and a half in his first four years he got twenty point five sacks twenty and a half sacks which was sixty three and a half percent sit of this tax total last year the eleven and a half represented thirty seven and a half or thirty six and a half percent of his total sack. ZAC total. That's called a one year wonder my opinion when almost forty percent of your total comes in one season to me. That's a one year wonder now when you juxtapose that against T. J. Watt. The numbers are very different. First of all TJ watch numbers are just a lot higher than but decrease the level of production and the difference that he makes Games is very different than the pre in fact when you look at. T. J. Watt and you compare him to but depre- it's just a different in caliber player. TJ white has been a better player than Bud depre- from day one snap one and it's absolutely no no comparison. You know as I bring. T. J. numbers here in TJ first season seven sacks so if you compare the two to the seven sacks is TJ had in his first season were more than buddy pre had in his first four in any of his first four years before or he had the breakout season of eleven and a half so in twenty seventeen TJ had seven sacks last at twenty eight hundred at thirteen in last Australia. Fourteen and a half and he's first team all Everything this year on top fourteen and a half sacks eight pass defense and two picks an eight force fumbles so in TJ. Watts first three seasons he has thirty four and a half sacks it took him three seasons to get three more sex than duprey had in five. C.'s Jillian Weinberger hosted the impact. A podcast from vox box about how powerful people affect the rest of us this season. We're looking at the big ideas from all the people running for president. 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Subscribe to the impact on Apple. PODCAST or your favorite podcast APP to get new episodes now. Now when the coaches evaluated two players they aren't just going going to look at numbers they understand scheme they understand what but to pre was asked to do. But I mean when you look at the numbers. There's just no compares TJ averaging eleven and a half sacks season season but duprey is averaging six and a half he's averaging five more sacks per season then but do pre so you know to end point TJ is going to command roughly you you know. Seventeen million let me. Let me pull up the the steelers caps situation and I wanNA pull up the outside linebacker position in terms of positional spending and over. The CAP does a fantastic job in terms of that and It as I pulled that up and if you look at the outside linebacker position so if you look at the Pittsburgh steelers on the outside linebacker position just a linebacker position. They're spending spending thirty one million. They allocated thirty one million dollars in cap space a team that allocating more are the bears. Forty six six million in cap space so the question for the steelers moving forward and the Broncos or another team forty three million cap space to that position. The cardinals rose forty million in cap space to that position. So you have to ask yourself the question. Is it worth breath. Allocating that much cap space to the position. And so that makes it very difficult Colt when it comes to making this decision on shoot the steelers let but to pre walk from from a cab perspective. They should let him walk. That is too much money in my opinion to allocate eight to the position now if that would that would change if bud dupree's production look like Tj. Watts what's and I would say you. Roll out the brinks truck for both because the impact of two guys edge rushers getting fourteen and a half half sacks is just absolutely ridiculous I mean. It's just absolutely ridiculous. If you had two guys on your defense getting four saks I mean that would just be incredible. Your defense would be fantastic. You would wreak havoc. I mean you just really get after teams consistently but but do pre is it that level of player you know Bud Dupree is a guy like we said when we looked at the numbers Budde Bourdieu pre is a guy that only averaged six and a half sacks and this is a guy that T. J. Watt has consistently outperformed so I say this to say simply. It shouldn't be this hard like like. It shouldn't be this hard for me to figure out if I want a backup to brinks truck in give you a boatload of money. It shouldn't be it. Shouldn't be this hard at all. Ish should be simply. y'All WanNa pay this new. It should be a no brainer for me to give you. aww money it it should be like. Oh Yeah I want to give him on that money. There should be no angst. This should be no on. Maybe yeah no should be no. Thanks and I'm looking at Khalil Max number that Khalil. You'll max average contract per year is twenty three and a half million dollars. He got ninety million guaranteed in sixty of that fully. Guaranteed now if you look at Khalil Max cap hit Khalil Mack cap number and that's because the way they did the contract Khalil Mack. Cap Number was twenty Let me tell you what it will be in twenty twenty. It'll be twenty eighty six million dollars a year. Twenty twenty one twenty six twenty twenty two twenty seven twenty twenty three twenty five twenty twenty four twenty only three so if you allocate. Let's just say twenty five million in cap space to T.. J. Watt. You can't allocate another seventeen or eighteen to Alvin Bud depre- you just can't do it. I don't think they can afford to do it. And with that being said you know now that we go back to this question of should they let him walk. They should absolutely let him walk. I I just don't think that for one year up reduction and to retain him for one season on the tag knowing that you have to back the brinks truck out for T.. J. Watt. There is no way in the world that I think I think they should cut all the players that we mentioned in really compromise. Their team to cy Alvin Bud debris I think in looking at the players there are some cuts that I think they should make. I mean absolutely I mean there are some guys that need to be cut when I look at that list. Chick Alot is a guy that I think you could cut. I think Ramon Foster is a guy that I think you could cut in my opinion. I think they should should let Alvin. Bud DuPrey walk. They should cut TIKOLO. They should cut Ramon foster and they should cut Jordan Berry. If Canal should cut Daniel mccullers. So if you cut Chikatilo in foster that's nine million you add berry that's another two million that's acts eleven million. You Cut Daniel mccullers. That's another one point five we're GONNA rounded up to twelve million you cut those four guys you signed. BJ Finney you offer hargrave contract you bring back all your restricted free agents. And you go out you bolster this roster so I was going to bolster out you know. That's my Pittsburgh. Accent Booster Say Booster Gossip bolster booster. How it sound one five three three? I say you cut those four players and you fortified roster you keep Vance because you don't have a tight end solution. You keep pants in that way by cutting those four players you bring. I'm back Feni. You let him play guard next to pouncey you bring back filer Bam. You're offensive line is tat with an old guy coming back to the quarterback position that might be fragile. You offensive line is set and I think he gives you some Seru Room to go out and signed free agents. I would let Alvin Bud to pre walk so my answer is yes. Let him walk. I think the steelers should let him walk. I do not think that the the steelers should sacrifice their roster for but debris because I know that they cannot afford to have to book skin outside linebackers that may cause potentially forty million dollars or more on the salary cap. I don't think the steelers will do that. And they. They have not done that in the past. So that's my answer to the question so let me look in the live chat again. If you guys want to participate in a program please like the program hit me with a like if you WANNA get involved with the super chat feature. Hit the dollar sign at the bottom And so and I might lead this for some other guys to talk about because Robert Dole. Oh Excuse me Robert Dot holiday sixty six Sadler said that hargrave is more important player than debris. I WanNA touch that yet. I don't WanNa touch that yet. But what I will say is I. I think he's been more consistent so low key blunt because there's cursing I'm GonNA show you I'm gonNA show it anyway. He said let bud to pre walk is B. S.. Talk Look at the numbers. Look at the numbers. I mean. Look at bud to pre numbers. You know I don't I don't WANNA I don't want to. I don't want there to be angst when making this decision. This decision shouldn't shouldn't be hard now. If you asked me so let me ask this. Let me answer it this way if I asked you guys. Is it worth cutting mark. Barron Vance McDonnell Anthony Cicchillo Ramon Foster Jordan Barry mccullers enticing Lulu to keep T.. J. Watt emphatically. All of you. Guys would say hell yeah. Hail Year and big up to Chris Chris Richards. Thank you for the Super Chat agree with Lance but the team says he is a priority draft. Him used to say you know like when they did the chronic hill year. That's my little west side. You know my little. La westside accent. Yes absolutely you wouldn't hesitate there'd be no hesitation in your voice. Oh yeah cut all of them dudes for TJ cut 'em all 'cause TJ. I mean I. I don't know what the career sack leader is for the Pittsburgh. I think it's about seventy somewhere around there. I think depot I think James Harrison his career sack leader. But I mean you got a young player. That's averaging eleven and a half sacks to season you'd like yeah but debris you look at numbers you know thirty one and a half sacks over five seasons first hobby got double digits. Saks fifth season. So if I said that and didn't try to bring any minutia into the argument and I said do you WanNa cut Baron MacDonald cicchillo Foster Berry mccullers Tyson Lulu due for a guy that averages six and a half sacks and had his first double digit sack year and season five. You'd say hail. Naw I mean it's say that's what you would say. The argument is pretty much. That simple there is no way you would just sign onto the fact that Yeah man we get. He's worth that. He's not worth the pain. Let me jump into the comment of Mr Ali. Vyas he said Bud's been applying pressure every year and finally breaks through and now cut him. It's not a cut. It's just not a re-signed isn't that what we're hoping he would become. Yes but you were hoping that we we become earlier that it's just the timing of the situation as well. The timing isn't good. They're up against the cap they we're going to have to sign TJ. What it's a timing in all of this that he should have flashed as a player earlier had he flashed As a player earlier and put up better numbers and stats. We wouldn't even be having this question and juxtaposed against TJ. What does it does not help him? TJ waters outplayed outperformed out everything him. And now where they're at. You gotTA gotTa make that decision and Justin Rock. They can't trade some of these players for draft picks. So you know I. I think the timing is wrong. Let me let me answer the question for Donald Nolan. He he said looking at all the guys you name last. Who is worthy of keeping over bud so individually you might? I would probably say none of these guys but you have to look at the totality of the list in Baron MacDonald Chip Low Foster Berry mccullers Lulu in ask. How does it leave your team if you don't have any of those players so if you don't have Barrett you don't have a sub package inside linebacker doc? If you don't have that McDonnell you don't have a good tied in on a roster vignettes not a good player in the rookie is not a good player chicken low you can lose Ramon foster. He's starting Gar you have. BJ Fifty but unfortunately BJ phidias unrestricted free agent. So if you lose both of them. Am You don't have a starting guard. You lose Jordan Berry. I think he's replaceable. But you don't have a starting punter mccullers you can lose Tyson Lulu. You don't have depth at the defensive line position and he played fantastic football and the absence of Stefan to it. WHO's off injured? So you know you need deposition at the position so individually none of these guys is better debugged to pre but they all bring value in. The question is is the combined in value of all of these players worth more than Alvin bugged appre and I say yes. And that's why you should let Alvin but decree walk. Had Elvin Bud appre 'cause we caught him dud for years. That was that was his name on this show. It was done do pre for years. It just became stuck doc this year. No way You keep Veneta over Vance no way no way no way And Theron question. I'm not saying a Lulu is more valuable than Bud depre- individually but we're that defense has been last year. Had They not had a Lulu as a backup system. So it's the combined nine it's the combined value of those players against budget pre. So Ron says no it's not lance you're wrong But the pre was used different by coaches. I could be wrong but I tend to agree with Aaron Haas Master Fifty Five thirty one seventy one BINGO. I think I'm right. I think I'm right now. I'm humble enough to admit when I'm wrong. In fact I did it entire show of what I got wrong and I welcome you guys to listen to show. I thought it was a funny show. But it's a case of is the. Does the player warranted. I I don't think so. And the timing is bad. Can you allocate forty plus million to the outside linebacker position and particularly particularly that potentially lose all these players that are listed. And where does that leave you. Where does that leave this defense offense? So in my opinion I think you let him walk you retain some of the players on that list. You have the opportunity to get people in free agency. Because if you cut all those guys and create the space to do everything that Ian talked about retain a restricted free agents. Ted Bud DuPrey and sign your rookie class. You have no room for free agency and we know that the steelers need help on the offense aside football so I think the prudent move is to let him go let him Walk Bring Back Finney cut foster so you bring back Finney you bring back filer. So you're starting offense offensive line next year is I mean you know I mean you know it is. I mean you got number seventy eight you got the Castro you got pouncey. You'd have Pity you'd have filer so it'd be Villaneuva it would be funny. It would be pouncey. It would be casual and filer great offensive line in in my opinion great offensive line there so and it would allow you to go out to free agency and get some free so I don't think that budget pre over the course of his tenure. The Pittsburgh steelers has played well enough for the pain that you have to incur to keep him now. All of this could be a moot point as we talked about yesterday today in an interview if there is a collective bargaining agreement and because of the thirty percent rule. If you guys want to know more about that listen to interview with an Whitestone that I did last night. Thirty percent role the last year of the CPA is really impacting steel. So if you WANNA r-retain depre- and potentially actually not cut all of those players pray for new collective bargaining agreement and if they get a new collective bargaining agreement. They can push people's Apple's future money out and do some of the things that are done in the past I'm all for I am operating under the fact that I don't think they'll have a CBA so if they don't you gotTa let let but to pre walk you just got to. I do not think he has played well enough to warrant the pain that that will cause the roster to retain him and potentially only retain him one season. That's the thing it's one season. I do not feel like the steelers will allocate forty million in cap space to that position group because of that. You really can't do it for one season. Let me say that again. Forty million in cap to the outside linebacker backer position. We all know that. TJ Watch getting the brinks truck so do you wanna cut those players to have him for one season. I say no I absolutely say no. But with that we're GONNA conclude the program. WanNa thank you guys for rocket out with me. BIC SOI offer brunch. It's brought to the West Coast Wi calling in and thank you for listening to the interview last night that I did would end. What's does he broke down the CAP? Make sure you guys guys check that out. Hey Man thank you. Thank you for rocking with us. In his off season my picks for the weekend are chefs and forty niners Bang Bang niner gang. Big Up to all the forty niner fans the faithful to my wife one of the biggest faithful fans out there. So I WANNA hold all luck in the world to forty Niner Fans Bang Bang niner gang. So I think the Super Bowl will be the forty niners versus Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City chefs but with that we're going to conclude loot the program and is always tune in tele friend and subscribe.

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Know Your Enemy: Free Agency Edition - Atlanta Falcons

Buccaneers Observer

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Know Your Enemy: Free Agency Edition - Atlanta Falcons

"Every year in the NFL. It's a new team. As far as goals go. We have one putting the finger. Well Fuck News Observer. Kansas has row phillips sign. Molly today is April nineteenth. Twenty twenty one hundred forty seven days until we see the buccaneers kickoff. With our new quarterback. Tom Brady at the helm does not count preseason as regular season and that's not counting if the beer virus delays everything that you know you can't say the name is in ghetto. Liza like Youtube in all of them will put a hold on your videos and stuff or something I don. I ain't taking a chance man. A play play tight to the vest and ain't no fat checks and follow because we were absolutely perfect. We said always means we just never did the fact so feel free to make our job easier by sending them to the krause source of that. Some people do also. I always appreciate that. Yes we appreciate you correcting US. When we're wrong. He got any news this way. I don't have any according to USA. Today Caesar Sportsbook has the buccaneers with a winning record this year. What's Larionov that's like our baseline like minimum? We would be happy with a winning season. Yes and they have the Patriots at nine wins. I think well no eight and a half. That's the lowest since two thousand and three yeah. I don't think it's going to be that bad. Well they only have US winning. Nine Games ridiculous. Well that's a really low bar to so winning season as just one game over five hundred. Basically they're hedging their bets. So are those the Vegas odds are just Caesar's laser sportsbook Gotcha. I don't know anything about sports. Betting so sounds good to me. Tom Brady had an auction for charity. it was a forty thousand. Last time I checked ray wasn't it? You got to meet him and have dinner with him. So I'm like Damn I don't know how far it got up to. The current bid is seven hundred. Seventy five thousand thirty one. Bids says someone is almost bid. A million dollars say you get tickets to the home opener and you can do a private workout with Tom or private dinner. After the game group the dinner meets. WanNa work talk about I. I think I could take you when it comes to eating. Yeah God don't think I could take it with a workout university. The First Home Game Used Jersey and cleats might be worth a million dollars travels not included you and three friends. I guess they figure if you've got a million dollars to splurge you can afford your plane ticket. You kidding I can't was. The starting bid was only fifty thousand announced up to seven hundred. Seventy five thousand that's insane. Who is bidding? This what's the pot going towards one hundred of the money raised will benefits meals on wheels. No Kid hungry. America's Food Fun World Central Kitchen and feeding America so a lot food stuffs. Yeah that's awesome but I can't I just it just blows my mind that it's gone up that high end there's still nine days left on it. Yeah it's going to go over me hours. He's done he's done. A lot of charity. Work is like an down in Tampa in just put down his roots. Yeah that's awesome. They fell is going to release their twenty twenty schedule by May ninth. I'm excited right now. They're saying everything's GonNa go according to plan. Yeah why wouldn't it? Yeah what's going to delay the scheduled coming out. We'll do we. Don't know with all the governors. What states are going to allow? Dame's are going to have to itself are out that September of the NFL is still weighing. Its options of potential contingencies. The League might have to move games in order to avoid avoid beer virus hotspot areas with restrictions delete considering the possibility of fewer games with zero fans in attendance. Well ask the Jacksonville Jaguars. How that goes. And we saw that same joke on facebook but it was the Cincinnati Bengals. So they're just taking all the low market teams the NFL not short seasons. Since nineteen eighty-seven the players strike. Took one game off the schedule. I remember that it was miserable and I wasn't born yet. They had the SCAB players. Come in confident. Things are going to be on Oh and there was changes to the helmets and logos with the buccaneers new uniform. The logo on the side of the helmet is now about ten percent smaller than it was found. Sorry you can tell I. Guess you really can't notice it but what it does is it. Keeps it from wrapping around the helming like in the back? The flags are almost touching. So now it's all right on the side of the helmets that grant around a little bit The red is the same red used for the Super Bowl Era. The Pewter is the new pewter from the pewter we had with the lash uniforms not the super bowl era pewter in the oranges back to the Super Bowl era orange and that of course the grill as black instead of chrome. Yes which the Falcons took our chrome Grille bastards. That's like the best part of their uniform. Okay wait to see them. Play in the new universe can't be awesome and I think Ralph and I have decided to get a pewter uniforms. I know that's what I'm getting these. I think we've said that every day since I thinking about it there are some people on the Buck nears facebook group that got their pewter ones and it was a woman. I think she got it from leads but the number looks super small to me. Maybe that's just the women's Yeah I don't know I wouldn't order from there based on what hurts. Look like that's probably getting from the same place. Nfo Shop you maybe met. I'd taken any chance says Tom. Brady is not the number one selling player for NFL sales for this last year's first time in a long time that that's happened. Patrick Mahomes is the number one selling player you know. Wouldn't it be some shit if we found out? That's why Tom Brady wanted to leave. The Patriots linked to get out of that conference. Patrick Patrick Mahomes with this March first. Two Thousand Nineteen February twenty ninth twenty twenty sales. It does not include the sales since Tom Brady came to Tampa Bay. Well the Dan dead when a super bowl west season. Tom Brady's won't six right but I'm just saying that timeframe the top three selling players are all quarterbacks. Patrick mahomes Petra mahomes the birthplace. Tom Brady and second and Lavar Jackson third and you notice are all in the AFC. That's true drew. Brees isn't even on the list. Zeki Elliott is running back at fourth place Baker Mayfield Baker Mayfield's fifth. That's incredible and Aaron Rodgers is. It is six then. You HAVE BECKHAM JUNIOR TO CLEVELAND. Browns on the list is all wack Khalil. Mack Chicago bears at age. Jimmy Garoppolo the forty niners quarterback is at night. George kittle San Francisco. Forty niners tied in tenth. So there's one defensive player on that whole est- defenses. Don't get love. Yeah that's why you should buy Shaq Barrett Jersey Jack via Congress sue. We're going to get anybody on defense. It would either do or via a thought you would get disappear. Paul Yeah yes you're correct. That's a toss up between those three. I was looking at a frames for Jersey. Yeah like a hundred and forty bucks. I'm like that's almost as much as a jersey. No kidding can you just make one? It's not the same. You gotta get them specially Made Jersey frames. I'd rather just wear them is due to in. This just goes to show how slow news is in the sports world. One of the big articles out this week is that Tom. Brady's workout pre grant pre-game played list was released on spotify fans. To listen to you too can do your pre-game workout the same way. Tom Brady listens to his okay. I'M A fan. Tom Brady but I'm not listening to his his well. It's yes indeed. Bilil baby and drake everybody mad by. Ot Genesis any of these people humble by Kendrick Lamar believer imagine dragons PSA by Jay Z COUNTRY. Grammar Bonelli black by pro jam. That's weird song to do a pre workout for working. It's a sad song. Great Song knew some of the best lyrics and song history as bad boy for life but diddy butterfly effect by Travis Scott Sunday Bloody Sunday by you to. How old is Tom? Many men by fifty cent till I COLLAPSE BY AND VIVA LA VIDA by coldplay and Tom. Tom Maybe Senate put out there buddy to lock class by him when he on. That's like a pump up song. Man You know I wanna get so famous. That people are wanting to know what my playlist looks like. That's that's when you know you've reached the pinnacle data draft coming up Thursday Thursday twenty-third. Looks like it'll be a virtual event. Bay buccaneers are going to have a Burchell hangout draft party with the buccaneers front office. People that's going to be facebook. I believe as not a whole lot going on now is as far as who were going to draft or Trade rumors thing that people are saying. We're looking to trade up. I don't know I don't know I think every team that's down under fifteen is always. There's always rumors that they're looking to trade Everybody was getting the top ten spots. There've been so long since we haven't been in the top ten rate fake. This was the fact check. Follow up like three months ago where it used to be in that top ten is all. I'm saying Yeah we've been up there for quite a while we've been up into the top really since about two thousand seven. Let's we pick fourth in two thousand seven twentieth in two thousand eight so we gotta keep delib. Got Josh Freeman in two thousand nine at seventeenth Gerald Mccoy two thousand and ten at Third Adrian Clayborn in two thousand eleven at twentieth mark. Baron with number seven pick in two thousand twelve. Jonathan banks are forty third. Pick in two thousand thirteen those round too because we traded a bunch of crap Mike Lavigne's pick number seven while the best picks will ever done two thousand fourteen. A Davis Winston of course was number one and two thousand fifteen so crazy you know many got my never play again. We don't we don't know just so weird Vernon Hargreaves was pick number eleven in the first round in two thousand sixteen. Oj Howard was pick number. Nineteenth in the first round. Two thousand seventeen arteries was in two thousand sixteen. Vita was number. Twelve in two thousand eighteen and Devon White was our fifth round pick or fifth pick in the first round last year so we have been out untapped ten. Yeah well I think the big. We traded down ten twelve. Don't quote me on. So yeah we we've consistently stayed Red Tie in the draft order. But we've got the preseason down that we are. We've been preseason champs for so many years. I don't know we didn't win free agency last year though because we didn't have any money we was broke. Yeah we have food. That was good. Good yes so you know not a whole lot going on. We were thinking about doing like a live draft party. Watch THING ON YOUTUBE WITH EVERYBODY. But and we're like we don't know a whole lot about the draft. We don't follow colleague. Just GonNa Kinda hang out and watch the draft everybody educators who these people are so there's any interest in that led us now. We've got our lights setup coming. I don't know if it because of this whole beer. Virus Amazon is not delivering their two days though. We have no idea whether it'll be here. If it will even be here in time we're GONNA do the know your enemy with Atlanta Falcons got the lowdown on what's been happening with them and of course we're going to re touch base with all of our division opponents after the draft so we'll have a much better picture of what direction they're going. Which hopefully all down we know the Carolina Panthers. It's it's like a hand grenade which is dropped in their stadium. That's how you the Falcons are not much better really. That's tweet music to my ears. But before then let's pay bills if you're thinking about making a podcast. I would highly suggest anchor dot f. l. There are great podcasting platform. The absolute best feature of it is that it is free They have creation tools. That allow you to record editor. Podcast right from your phone or your computer. You don't have to worry about distribution because anchor will distribute it for you. They'll put it on platforms like spotify apple podcasts. And many more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. And it's everything that you need to make them hard. Cast all in one place so download the free anchor APP or go to anchor dot. Fm Get started right now all right well. The Atlanta Falcons had twenty-nine free agents this year and they had no money because they're all given an automatic. Well they did do that. But they restructuring his contract so their pay putting it off until next season. He's been doing that for a long time. Isn't he? Supposed to get like forty one dollars hitter. Hap head is like forty million dollars. particularly they still have no money this year like their. Gee I don't know what their GM is doing. But we'll go ahead and go through. The different units will start with the offense. They had no quarterback issues with free agency. They do have their quarterback up. Mount Sam's who is unsigned. He ended the season last year on. Irr So. I don't think that they will resign him. They've had some shakeup on their offensive line. Now they're offensive line for the last. Several years has just been downright offensive but then they lost some people to sign. So they're focusing again. I think on the offensive line. But who knows how that's GonNa go because it hasn't gone so great. In the past few years they lost tackled. Ties Sam Bri low to Tennessee. He's signed a one year deal worth one point six million he was a backup right tackle in Atlanta last season but I think he saw some starting time injury. You play quite a bit. Actually they also lost guard west. Schmaltz Schweitzer Schweitzer's whites are to Washington. He got a three year thirteen and a HALF MILLION DOLLAR DEAL. He was leading have he did his. He was the BACKUP CENTER FOR ATLANTA BEHIND ALEX. Mack cozy go in there to Washington as a center or a Gourd. I don't know that's a good question. Because he is designated as guard on spot rack. But then on Atlanta's depth chart he was a senator so maybe he's pretty versatile. They signed guard Justin mccray from Cleveland. He got one year one million dollar deal and then they also resigned. Guard John Wetzel on a one year. Nine hundred thirty thousand dollar deal. They waved tackle Lucas McNeil. And then they've got Sean Harlow. He's a guard that was on their practice. Squad remains unsigned for the year. They did have some moves in the running back corps which were kind of surprised. Zine they brought in Todd Gurley on a one year deal. It's a five hundred five point five million dollar based salary but then the rams are also paying him twenty million dollars nothing dead cap. What your what what they cut him. It's GONNA pay him. Twenty million. And then the Falcons are paid in five and a half million or so. He's making twenty five million dollars here. Yeah that's why you don't pay running back in the rams are paying twenty million. Yeah the rams are the worst in the league as far as cap space goes. Oh Man I tell you complain about the buccaneers as much as they want about winning and losing August of we just do not have capi. She's like this now. I think last year was the first year in a long time that we've had a money crunch issues in the off season but it wasn't even really that bad to the point where we had to cut a lotta no high dollar players and we certainly don't have we're not paying people twenty million when they're not even here and we do that for coaches. Yeah but that. Don't count count towards the capsule. Brian Hill. They offered him a tender contract. T signed so. They've tendered him and then they have devante freeman is a free agent. Who of course was there starter. Last year he battled some injury issues but they have not resigned him. You would assume that Todd Gurley is probably taking that spot for him and then Canton. Barner was third string running back. He still remains unsigned. They signed a fullback. He Smith to a three year contract. This is crazy. He played with Dallas from twenty fourteen than in Twenty fifteen. He was on the practice squad and then he was there in two thousand sixteen in two thousand seventeen but he was a linebacker then he went to Oakland as a full back and then now he's signed with Atlanta's fullback so he's an interesting one if he makes the squad it'll be interesting to see how they used him play with a last year landings start now wasn't sure await he might have been two thousand. Nineteen okay well. He got a three year. Contract with the Falcons. He's pretty S- blocker. He liked him. Well like fullbacks underuse use. The will never get one. They have Shakeup in their tight end core. Of course Austin Hooper went to Cleveland became. I think the highest paid tight end. It was ridiculous you got a four year forty two million dollar contract which he did well in Atlanta. But I wouldn't have paid at all like what are you doing? Cleveland SLEEP CLEVELAND. They'RE BEING CLEVELAND. I guess so but he was a big moneymaker for Matt. Ryan like I had Austin who burned fantasy and he was good for like twenty points a game at least so yeah he was a really solid tight on keeping now no. I don't think anybody from Cleveland from Jacksonville. Now touching that one. The Falcons traded the Ravens a second round. Pick in a fifth round. Pick for tight. End Hayden hearst in fourth round. Pick good Lord I now which is how much I. I don't know it's not on there yet because you know some of these contracts haven't been finalized but hers was the first tight end taken in the two thousand eighteen draft. He was twenty fifth overall selected by the Ravens so they're trading away their first round pick from two years ago. You have to think there's issues there something there. Will you know it's like we? There's a lot of rumors going around that we're looking to trade OJ. Howard I remember last year it popping up news. This is two years in a row and you know Jay didn't really do that well this year. Now he didn't and we have great who I think. I think bright had better chemistry with Janus last year of kind of irrelevant. Now because James has gone. It's Tom Brady is that you don't really know but then you have to wonder if it's a performance. Issue the Falcons also agreed to terms with Kyri. Lee was with Chicago in Twenty Fifteen Detroit in two thousand sixteen and then buffalo in seventeen eighteen. They waved a tight end. Alex grave from their injury Flash Reserve list. And then Luke stocker former buccaneer. He is still remains on sign. He's a free agent so they've had some shakeup their complete Chicago Titan. Yeah and it's funny. Because you know in Carolina we saw. They were having a lot of turnover in their wide receiver core. We're not seeing that with Lena. They did sign. Luqun treadwell from Minnesota. But it's a one year nine hundred thousand dollars the also exactly he's a deaf guy and then Justin Hartley who was second-string last year. He is a free agent but remains unsigned. He played in Fourteen Games for Atlanta in twenty nineteen. He got twenty six targets and one hundred ninety five yards. So yeah and that's it on their offense. They've got some turnover in offense wine and then tied imposition tiny retention and then running back to so basically they're wide receiver core in their quarterback. Position is the only thing that set on the defense. They lost some guys on their defensive. Wine Jack Crawford Defensive. Tackle went to Tennessee on a one year. One point one million dollar deal they also lost Adrian clayborn to Cleveland Cleveland. What do they do? I know an Adrian clayborn. He has like this on again off again. Thing was Atlanta. How many times he left. Yeah like you into the Patriots came back now. He's GONNA Cleveland. He signed it. I think he'll retire said Falcon probably he got a two year. Five point seven FIVE MILLION DOLLAR DEAL WITH CLEVELAND. So he's going to be a backup rotation. Yeah probably Atlanta. Also waived defensive tackle Rasheed Haeggman and he was on the injuries slash reserve lest they extended Tyler Davidson defensive tackle and then they also signed Stephen means they're unsigned free. Agents include defensive. Tackle Mike Bennett. And I don't think it's the same Michael Matt. He's really go with the middle initial or Mike Mike. Well that's how he was on the depth chart might gotten and then Rasheed Haeggman. He's on signed so I guess. He became a free agent to both of them in the season on injured reserve last year in their linebacker core. They lost at this kind of defensive line right I get so confused with the three four still. It's so hard for me to round my brain around so outside linebacker. Big Beasley got cut and went to Tennessee on a one year. Nine and a half million dollar deal and then Devante Campbell. Outside linebacker went to Arizona on a one year six million dollar deal so they signed outside linebacker Dante Fowler from the rams. It's a three year. Forty five million dollar deal and then they also sign inside. Linebacker will Roy Reynolds from Cincinnati on a one year. One million dollar deal they also agreed to terms with linebacker Edmund Robinson who has been out of the league since twenty seventeen prior to that. He started his career in Minnesota. From Twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen seventeen with the jets and then hasn't been in the league since them at safety. They resigned to rod these men on a one year nine hundred fifty thousand dollar deal. They've got unsigned free. Agents in Strong Safety Kemal Ishmael. Who was second-string last year strong safety? John Cyprian who ended the season on I R and free safety. Jj Wilcox who also ended the season on Ir and then at the cornerback position. They Lost Desmond. True Font who they released after they failed to trade him per bleacher report. They freed up five million dollars in cap space but he still carries a cap hit of fifteen million dollars more in dead money. What IS WRONG WITH DETROIT? He signed a two year. Twenty million dollar deal. They re sign bleeding ray Wilson to a one year one point two million dollar deal and then they also agreed to terms with Josh Hawkins. Hawke who was with Green Bay from twenty sixteen at twenty seventeen and then in two thousand eighteen was with Carolina and Philadelphia and then hasn't been in the League didn't play last season Dhamar Miller who was in on their second-string last year remains unsigned Martin. Yes when I say Miller. That's close enough get Miller. There's it's not even in my notes on special teams. They extended their kicker young. Ho coup from last year. Is that how you say you had him on your fantasy team last year? Yes you did. I didn't have to pronounce his name. They extended him one year. And then they're punter so they had last season Bossier who ended up going on. I R. He's a free agent this year. They haven't resigned him but they did. Extend Ryan Allen to a one year extension and then they also agreed to terms with another Punter Sam Irwin Hill. So it looks like Bashar you out of a job. And that's it for their turnover as far as our cap goes. They are thirtieth in the league for cap space. Which is terrible. The Rams are the worst they've got at this point about one point six million grief. It doesn't even cover their drafty and adding. That's accounting for their draft. Yes still came on anybody for one point. Like what are you GonNa? Do you know the beginning of the season. One and League Minimum Player. Alot. Dear love to hear it. You couldn't happen to a better team. Yeah and this is their top fifty one for their entire roster there at negative six million so they're six million over but of course only the top fifty one really counts but where this would make a difference is if you are getting rid of a player in your top fifty one. Then another guy comes up his factored into the top fifty. One so booth yeah. It's somewhere in there again. We said earlier Matt Ryan restructured. His contract is so bad. Third Sabbath grew next year so his cap hit in twenty twenty went from eight million in base salary to one million but all they did was converted the difference to a signing bonus so his cap hit prior to the restructure was twenty four million and now it's eighteen point nine million so they saved about five million there. They also his cap hit twenty. Twenty one is going to be forty million crow. Totally screwed there. It's going to be a record. Yeah I think they're gonNA cut him like if I think this well you know. We talked about this last the last season that if Dan Quinn was gone it might be the end for Matt Ryan there to an Dan. Quinn ended up getting another. They kept him. They didn't fire him. He's on the last year of his contract. So you know if it doesn't go well for him. I don't see how anyone is safe. And especially when you have a forty million dollar cap hit next year. What what are they? GonNa do with that. But even if they caught him at camp it's still gonNA PAM must will keep the quarter. Maybe I don't know we'll say they also restructured left. Tackle THE JAKE MATTHEWS. So his base salary went from ten point. Five million to three point five million so that was seven million dollars. The cap hit was sixteen million prior to the restructuring. Now it is ten point seven six million so they save a little over six million and again they converted that to signing bonus but they still only have one point six million dollars. They don't know how to balance a checkbook taking lessons from Carolina. Panthers I guess it's bad and then you know just a preview. The next one New Orleans in that much better granted they have less need already built team now in a really new blood of free agents or cap space. Still good to hear your enemies in financial distress and that they have a lot of instability on the roster Idaho's Deville and they can't afford to do it all right so it looks like the Landa Falcons are going to be fighting with themselves this year. That's a good thing. Carolina Panthers are going to fight with shadows. They're not going to be a factor at all this year. I don't think I really think they're tanking. I don't know if they're trying to get the quarterback from two Lane Baylor Baylor or not. I don't know anything about any of that mess. But it seems to me like they're definitely setting themselves up a tank. Wow that's kind of Matt Rules Track Record doesn't he? He does good like the third year. Yeah well the first year he rebuild second ear around yeah they start getting better we get at least one good year stopping the kittens in the for a couple of games. That's exciting man. I mean it looks like we're we're skyrocketing to the top everybody else's law to the bottom. It feels good to be on. This side of that equation off season. Is All paperwork right. Trim the along better on paper. We're the best team. We have been for years. There was like a Bureaucrat. Football League we would win totally every year balanced budget paper. Champs. Good good summer. Lead Atlanta Falcons. Now we know what's going on with bill. Ms Ms very good news. Molly bringing the good news to us whose necks doing the saints neck that saints and then. We're going to have a busy week this week. We're going to do that if we because we're talking about doing the saints and in doing a draft preview for the bucks minimum. We need to do that so you look at three podcasts. Maybe back on our old scooby. Now you know people have messed us. Get comments like every episode. Are you guys you guys well? Last season we were on top of this. We were still doing three a week. We are pulling topics out of thin air. I'M GONNA blame it on the beer virus. Yeah me too rough for us. I know I said that he had in China up for us going to wrap it up for us to get in touch with us. You could contact us on twitter or handle his at bucks underscore observer. Molly's got an email address it's Molly Bay at Buccaneers Observer. I'VE GOT ONE TO RALPH AT BUCCANEERS OBSERVER DOT COM. Go check out. Our website have done much there for a while but it's their their stuff knock some dust and cobwebs YouTube channel. Don't get the check that out subscribe to it was when we kicked our videos and that we add facebook as well of course. It's just the same stuff that's everywhere it's like. The podcast goes out to twitter facebook youtube and so does everything else. So there we go. Things are looking good looking excited. We got the draft coming up. Don't know who we're going to get. I don't have anybody in mind. Let you know the last player I really wanted to go was claiborne. Cornerback ended up going Dallas cowboys. Any kind of had to sell career. It was kind of like after that I was like. That's it I'm done with. I thought he was going to really do something. And but I I like to wait until they get in the NFL and see how they play. And then then I get excited about players yet. That first year is always such an adjustment coming from college. Log On can't do it. I mean what is it like? Fifty percent of all draft players are blessed. That's toss a coin is flipping a coin. Don't I don't like it. All invested in a player and then see him go to an opponent coercion. Somebody in the division in Or or get all investment player and they make a teen Anna. I don't see how people have the time to study all these guys and stuff but hey. I'm glad there's people out there doing it so I don't have to. Of course if nobody else to do and I'd be well off in it and you're too busy breaking down the game film that. Nfl Games definitely don't have time to do any more game good grief. I couldn't even Imagine Doing College Football Gainesville. What is like Forty Thousand College? Football teams down gets me. Just a sheer number of conferences and Ka- it's just like I like the reservoir trollers NFL because like AFC NFC simple enough sixteen teams in each simple college though man and the brackets and that how they rank the I don't get it. Do they even have a cap? On how many players who can have on their team. I know it's not fifty. Three man. Rosters he look at the sideline of college game. It's a pact. As the stadiums are like a hundred thousand guys on each day. You just seems like there's a lot of guys and then it's like how many of them never play or play like three series in a season. That's it you never see them again. How do you get invested in players that way and where these guys go? I've met I've met more ex. Nfl players. I have ex college players. You know people just made at the college football scholarship or what ever played to college Make it in the NFL. I've only known one person like I don't know anything about it. Yeah maybe seems like there's a Lotta weather most of them. I guess they just don't want to brag about because I didn't make it to the NFL at your bragging. I didn't make it to the NFL. He frame it that way. I guess the next NFL player either. GonNa know you're GonNa not before you get thirty feet of. Yeah 'cause people around you gonNa tell you as you walk into. Hey that's so and so's exit vogler. Yeah you don't get that with ex college now all right okay. So that's going to wrap it up. Rosarito POGO OFF ON A TANGENT. Again until next time GAL LAX.

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