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50: Our Giro stage 5: The Supernovas

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50: Our Giro stage 5: The Supernovas

"You're listening to this podcast at our did or the time you brought to you by. I woke up flexible loans for small businesses. Do they we add in Mardika? Says your own says you say well. We're up to stage five almost a quarter of the way through our Cheetahs Italian. We're all reliable. We're still in Sicily. The second of three days on the island. The Jiro visited Sicily in two thousand seventeen for a couple of days. We'll talk a lot more about Mount Etna. Tamara but when the Jira was in Sicily in two thousand seventeen to stage finish in Vincenzo Niba lease hometown Messina which won by Fernando Gaviria and following year. Two thousand eighteen. There were a couple of stage wins for Tim. Wellens and Enrico battling before they went to Aetna at a say we're talk about AETNA. Tomorrow is looming. Hopefully it won't erupt when I've arrest virtually or otherwise So yeah we're enjoying a joint island. This was Paik Peyton of Napalm if he is a guy when we're on AETNA was that this was Came after several days when everything conspired against you napalm and and I think we could hear a rumbling. We could feel rumbling. As we were on our way up the mountain he thought that was fronton. I thought my computer had broken. It was refusing to turn on no ideal at the start of grand tour that took around without a computer. A missing There was an embarrassing moment. Wasn't there far 'em young teammates. Who thought he'd won the stage and stuck his hands up in there a lap early. Yes who was it? It was Slovenian. Not Challenge the other fellow Bahrain. Similar names paunch that's right Daniel. It was Luca people. Nick who is still at Bahrain McLaren. He did Chris Boardman. British cycling fans will If you're watching the tour. Frontier One thousand nine hundred four. Chris Boardman did that. Didn't he? Down in Brighton. I think don't remember that. Did he attacked tight buying off the front. I don't remember him thinking one. Kelly proposal to the famously didn't they well remembered the line on forgot you were are. Slovenian correspondent of course so those names are all on the tip of your tongue. That was one of those incidents where we found everyone in the press and everyone watching. It found it funny and then When you you went to I went to the Bahrain Marie bus that evening and tried to speak to people neck and he was absolutely mortified. And he's also got the hairdryer dry treatment from one of these sportifs would not very amused by what he'd done. I mean it'd be like your trousers falling dying on public transport or something or somewhere in public hugely embarrassing. Well meshed embarrassing as as saying Chris. Boardman at done the same thing. I'm sure in my memory might be playing truly did on if you listen. Chris I apologize on behalf of Lionel at Lionel. Can we have the tale of the top? Please we can. This is a stage from Agrigento to Monica. It's exactly the same stage as Grundy Potenza in nine thousand nine hundred nine when a relatively unknown sprinter writing for mobile team even quote top pulled. The Lion King's are speak marriage. Pollini was the hot favourite to win that stage but could only finish third and QUARANTA. Who's going to feature heavily in the first third of today's episode didn't he ought to have a feline nickname. Did the Leopard. I asked him about this but he told me that the gentleman who came up with that nickname was a family friend. He dubbed him the Leopard. The Leopard been the fastest animal with a fossilised cat in the jungle. And this was a deliberate dig Mario Cipollini chaplain of course was the the Lion King. But the gentleman. The friend who did come up with that nickname apparently died about a week ago. From Corona virus. Point of order. Isn't the cheater. The fastest animal in how long yesterday and I could see it coming as well about Gary not being related to any other European languages very very distantly related to finish. But I'm not even going to get into this Cheetah nickname for cyclists or or any athlete. Really wouldn't it anyway? Sorry Carolina'll well I'm just looking up about about Quaranta ill ill pado. Pardo guy and not a treat to separate but still Abbott any anyway. Big Cats are going to be a theme of A couple of stages coming up towards the end of the week as well anyway today. Stage is largely flat in Jiro terms. We're going along the coast rising slightly at the end of course while they. Jiro include a lot of climbing show. Let's hear from the course so much for a meander along. The coast right is very unhappy with race director. Daniele Free Bernstein. Especially I think this coming just before aetna tomorrow heard rumors of a protest tomorrow. Stage might just stop at the foot of on mass led by the the lion of the CHILTERN ALTERNATIVE. Alternatively the elephant offered name machines to going by he is our latter day five and I think we're all looking to him to register some kind of protest at the severity of the Safar. Anyway onward. Nobody scrutinizing my results too closely but I am writing every day. That's my commitment child. Sorry Napalm you just wanted to confirm the hadn't defamed Chris. Boardman aided in fact attack out of the bunch when the tour visited Britain in Nineteen ninety-four stage finish within Brighton. He thought he was away on his own. In fact there are three ride the road. And there's a picture in a book Which was done by connor and Graham Watson Cord Boardman and yeah? He's giving it full beans. He crosses the line a full victory. Celebration talk about taking US data. Cold this out here though is coming up in today's episode. We're GONNA be talking about what we're calling Super Novas And I'm not. I'm not unexpected. Cat some not necessarily even An expert on. He have their relationship of Finnish and Hungarian. And I don't even know what as astrology isn't it? Nas Johnny definitely not an astrologist. I'm not the man to really give the perfect definition of a Supernova but we think something I started burns brightly and then fades in relation to the there have been lots of these. Jiro history writers who have done their best work in the era and never really imploded. Faded waned or not gone on to reproduce the same the same results. I'm in other races notably Tokyo Franz. You are listening to the Sakhalin podcast at our genitalia brought to you by. I woke up. Flexible loans bid for small businesses. I W. O. C. A. K. Thank you very much to are title sponsors. I walk an award-winning finance company. That specializes in lending to small businesses. company has issued more than one billion pints to companies ranging from startups to establish businesses. 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He's not picking any claim atoll so I think we can see a theme beginning to emerge and develop but he in Viviana gown very. Well don't they yeah? They've had their ups and downs. Haven't I remember? There's a couple of years ago. They had a bit of a spot. It seems unlikely because Vivian is quite unusual. Sprints or in the he's a pretty calm measured guy. Most of the time controversial wore that Italian champions Jersey the Chiro last year. That didn't bring him any walk tall in today's episode. Is he said Daniel? We're looking at writers who've burned brightly briefly at the jeeter Talia over the years. We're GONNA pick a a roundabout ten may come up with a podium at the end of Champagne Supernova one maybe percent coup Super Novus our first pick those somebody that you've spoken to recently and is a name that people will kind of vaguely remember awful. Bite them yeah what do you chaps remember about Yvonne Quaranta? I just remember the shock of that Lewis. Win In one thousand nine and he was a relatively unknown rider. A might have been better known in Italy but he was riding for a second. Division team wasn't a mobile van. Pollini rude were kind of the crazy gang of Italian psyche and had all sorts of every motley bunch of misfits. Pascal Reshad and how old he wasn't in nineteen ninety nine. Jiro but I I think they burn the candle at both ends. We'll hear about that later. Anyway but CIPOLLINI was the king of the jungle at the time wasn't he and it was a real upset. Yeah well it's Chattanooga you mentioned the fact that you know. He seemed to come from no he'd actually turned pro posted a couple of years earlier and it gone pretty bodily. It looked as if he wasn't GonNa really have what it took to be a a atop Rhode pro or top sprinter. He mainly written on the truck is a youngster and but he he's team did get a ride. In one thousand nine Jira Mollica. Cipollini was the best sprinter in the world of the time. The King of the jungle and everyone expected Chipo to don the PINK JERSEY. Probably Know Him. It would have been the pink. Jersey Pink Shorts Pink Socks Pink Pink everything. That's not what happened. Luckily eat cordray. Delivery will not first stage. I remember there was a climb thirty or forty kilometers from the finish. Then we went down the other side and then it was fifteen or twenty kilometers on the flat lining Monica. I got dropped near the top of the climb and went over the summit thirty seconds down on the Front Group of about sixty guys mighty Sony and Miracle Quality Drawback to help me. We went hell for leather down the descent. We eventually got back on with about fifteen kilometers to go from there. I went into water pilot. Maybe naive or just carefree as you are when you've already had a good season you know you're that to learn and you have much responsibility. Get the antics. Ara Red Squad of Mario Cipollini CIPOLLINI. They're currently in second position but he's GonNa get challenged by your own Bliley. Even Susan pretty good condition so far this season but was for the moment a little bit too far down there in Tenth Place Indeed. Saco boys against seem to have control of this but CIPOLLINI outside to take this. Somebody's being all of the way here. And this is David Sankaran to. Who's challenging him? Well that is amazing. Because they've really forced away to the Pack Ham food throw out so I got back on what I could basically without the training without ten and maybe a bit by fluke. I found myself on CIPOLLINI's wheel I was definitely handy on a bike. When it came to know my way around the bunch bike handling touching the brakes a lot less than other because I'd always raced on the track in the youth categories. That day I'd found all the gaps and was on mighty wheel as we came into the last band. Then it was two hundred and fifty or three hundred meters slightly uphill Mario to the draw launch. My sprint I and I managed to beat him leading out for the line there now as feel strings out here in Medica now looking down Cipollini on the far right across the line elaborates. Yvan Kuranda who took it for mobile veteran north wave. Now Watch this because this is a little bit of a blow to Cipollini because Kuranda taking six win of the season is going to be delighted having beaten Cipollini Andro Bliley Evans. Mantha look interesting. It's era Joh- off renew. My life changed straight away. I could tell from the first interest woman. Tried one from birth fans on the media. Winning stages is one thing you can win. What you like. But if wear the Pink Jersey all eyes on you especially in a place like Sicily which isn't a region of great citing connoisseurs funds. That mainly just want to see the Pink Jersey on even know his name but the Pink Jerseys the Pink Jersey on the night itself partied went to bed at midnight. Because well we hadn't gone. They're thinking about winning a stage a really small team the bottom of the day. And you go there and you win the very first stage against all the biggest teams in the biggest riders in the world. You can imagine what a celebration like. The hotel was besieged by funds. Because that's the other thing the Sicilians convivial by nature and they love a party. There were three hundred fans outside. The hotel then came the next day. You know you're in a bubble wins. Something like that happens and you really appreciate. Something's later when you step outside of that bubble one of the things I remember. The race started the next day and every time we pass a house or shop window. I was looking to see myself in the Pink Jersey and the reflection it was funny. Usually you don't looking at the reflection of the window trying to spot yourself at the same time as I was looking seeing myself. Couldn't quite believe that that would mean the Pink Jersey beautiful feeling a memory to last a lifetime. The other thing was like three times as much attention from women they called me Don Kniola later a lady killer. But I didn't think any worse than anyone else. In that regard I just did it in full daylight. I mean I think we can all relate Daniel to check check yourselves and the League. You're going to say. They studied at least their position on the by. What about the about tripling female attention of a famous? That happened to you. After your victory in the tour of the trucks stage to a ninety nine thousand four hundred ten really no no not that I was aware of anyway. Anyway that was a of Yvonne Quaranta. Yeah I thought that was a lovely a lovely image and lovely memories a great current event and he was someone who sort of indeed himself to the Italian press and public. Probably as for reasons. You can understand listening to that clip. He was a larger than life character. And Yeah it was a real shock. Cross CIPOLLINI's bows that first that first stage win and then Cipollini well cruncher started. He said they started second. Stage IN PINK JERSEY AND CIPOLLINI. Got It back so he won the second stage but it was a real. Ding Dong between them for the rest of Jiro. In the sprints and Quaranta I mean he was someone who completely opposite of Cipollini. As far as sprints were consigned. He didn't really need to train like having a train. 'em He sort of was kind of counter punching printer and whenever he got the jump first. Cipollini is causing problems while there was another occasion where he got the better of him yet. That not became not so much. The stages have but what happened after. That station became the stuff of legend. And let's just hear from Yvonne Koran about that now she your story well first of all bear. Monday cycling's changed. No-one goes clubbing in the middle of a stage race anymore even saga. He might seem like a bit of another or and back in the day. They couldn't do what we did. Because everything's changed may make a lot more. Sacrifices are lot more professional than we were anyway. I'd won the first stage of the got some other good results. Seconds and thirds men wanting choosing article pantani hometown. Try to imagine what the crowds were like. They're the absolute peak of Monaco's popularity. After when the tool and the Jira or the previous year Ca Chunky FYODOR discotheque. Say why willing Cobenas will either way what he wanted in that area. There on nightclubs believe precisely. That's what I was getting to the states that evening. We'd arrange the grout with Cipollini because he'd also two stages and we were happy without Jiro. Plus. It was going to be impossible for us to make it to Milan that year. There were three or four huge mountain stages coming up in the last week so that night. A team manages mechanics masters. I want all agreed that we would go to a nightclub craft champagne or two. It's not like we were GONNA until five in the morning get drunk. There ended up being about ten of us in the club. Me Three my teammates mighty on a few his. We'd been there for a while. When suddenly these journalists and photographers turned up couple of photos. Mario made a quick getaway and then we will left there which is why in the next day's papers. The rule these reports what onto goes clubbing. And so on and stuck aftermath. I was always the party boy there. Is You know how it works. I mean I definitely could have one more in my career but I also could have one less. Trust me to thirty-nine races on the road in a career. You have to train and you have to live like a bitter athlete. Although yes it's true I could have one more so nightclub. In in the middle of a jared Italian. I heard that story at the time and it was a it was a tag the Koran carried with him for the rest of his career ever playboy sprinter true to a certain extent but as he said that it wasn't something that he was doing every night and the next the next couple of years he did become quieter. Return quite major figure. As far as the JIRA was concerned there was no suggestion of him. Because he wasn't he wasn't in a team that was ever. GonNa ride in the tour. At that point there was never a suggestion of going to the Tour de France but in the next year he won two stages in the one after that he went to stays as well so six. Total not really a flash in the PAN not really a one hit wonder and but then it will ground abruptly to a whole new was a lot of criticism of him for being overweight. Not being professional again this idea that he was sort of on the out on the tiles every night and he goes big move to. Saiako done his best work. Crunchy sort of came in as a replacement for CIPOLLINI in two thousand and three and it was a bit of a disaster and that was the beginning of the end for Quanta as he explained to me here close. Spirit Avenue quoted classically because Who socially due to the leaney too. I hope that they'd found classics rider. Or some kind of new CIPOLLINI or even a new Nicola Manali but I was a writer who went pretty well on a very specific type of course and that was about it. I used to get dropped on every climb as a junior and right up until my first year and under twenty three I only read the flying two hundred on the track so in the space of full years I'd undergone a transformation that was almost too radical. I had four or five years when I was competitive and winning. I mean wasn't nearly forty not three races those years. I did and I always got dropped disarm Ramo and always dropped and it wasn't because training that was just a Roger I was. I could cling onto a pedal to finish races but in really hard races. I was never in contention. You know what it means to be a track sprinter. It means doing ten thousand kilometers a year as opposed to thirty five thousand a year row pro hamied spending a lot of time in the gym. A training session for me. Fifty standing starts and ten sprints behind a journey that was it then shower and home but in Italy there wasn't much future for track rider and since I went okay on the road people encourage me to give it a go from not finishing the two thousand and one year in a few years was a massive achievement for me. Llosa could have won the final sprint Milan except my derail had broken and I had to sprint twelve sprocket. Finish but we still party that night. What else are you gonNA do? So that was even on White. Didn't work in the tail end of his career and then he did actually have problems and when his career ended. I mean bison admission sort of go in with a bit of a bad crowd or a group of guys a lot of them. Cyclists actually had retired and were directionless in life. One was gyco Valentino Voice. Who'd written for Mapei? I think he'd written widened for Monitoring. And you know and he developed a cocaine addiction news good friend of Koran and he died in two thousand seven hundred thousand eight am. Yeah that was. That was a big source of regret for even for a number of years. The hadn't been able to help his mates but all much better now for Krant I son. I think he's sons. Called some way is very promising. under twenty three rider our first champagne. Supernova maybe emphasis on the champagne rather than the SUPERNOVA. He wasn't really a flash in the PAN I guess being in the shadow of Mario Cipollini can't be not easy for an Italian sprinter. Who is our next champagne Supernova content off a cracker here chops but before that let's revisit the day the stage when this gentleman came very much to the fore this is extraordinary even by Jairus standards. This is a true casino tree. Mess is really I mean. We've we've been sent all across the dolomites down the femme tracks and country roads. And now we've got to take cable car to the finish and there's no indication in the road. The this is what we had to do to get from the start to the finish. Had we known it's currently likely we would have We would have got moving early. Wouldn't we yeah? And I think the loco itinerary today or all costs so that's off-course itinerary has been inspired by a bowl of Spaghetti hasn't it? It's been a shocker. All the compliments for amount of any in the organizers the sheriff yesterday's extraordinarily beautiful fantastic Donald Blockbuste-. I've been forgotten as I said earlier. Line honors your loss day and your Pittsburgh dribbling over the line motivation. Now we didn't mention is still good. Energy levels concentration level's suddenly levels of planning seems to Windows alarmingly in the last hours. Yeah I mean I've done quite the driving this way. Kevin Hart five point and I just I think my mental finish was was the long drive after the stage last night and looking at the road but yesterday today looked like it was going to be a picnic. We two three kilometers away from the start. We manage to make a mess of that. Had TO DO WITH THIRTY K. Diversion up the order or tie Strada Soy and back then we got kind of locked in at the star and Now we're well. We still clowns looms hapless flounder here. But this is all over isn't it? I mean the best the easiest as often or these days on paper often turn out to be the ones that really catch out and I think that's the reminder to us that he calm relax for a minute on on rice that year. I know I have to say that. Level of organization today You know not well taught standard. Certainly say that because the logistics of getting everybody out from Castel rotter which is a starter alpay. Uzi Really shouldn't be this complicated. But they've made the deviation road between the two small towns. They've made it one way. We can't drive up it presumably because its narrow so we've now driven all around everywhere and we're going to have to get in a cable. Hopefully Daniel. I remember that day fondly. We must have driven up and down the same bit of road under through the tunnel and round the round mountain back through the tunnel and then we found ourselves in a car park and It went on and on and on. And we thought we were GONNA stage entirely and miss. Well what is turned out to be quite a rarity a victory for Russian writer who is no longer riding profession. Yeah Alexander fully for of we. Well we were very surprised at the time but I actually release into the POD. We did that day and we had a couple of very lustrous guests. We had Dan. Lloyd and Ned bolting. We bumped into them on the way down the mountain Dan Lloyd him to do this team. He said on pod well. We shouldn't be surprised. You know he's a guy with decent pedigree Sort of suggested that. Go on to great things. Alas that didn't happen in fact Alexsandr fully for off is really just turned twenty eight but I don't think he's now Cyclist in fact he was last seen on instagram. In Sierra Football Stadium Wow it was a ten point eight kilometer uphill time trial wasn't it to. Alpe is down you. And he won by fractions of a second ahead of Steven Krause. Who of course within the sake of the race at the time and fully for offers writing for Gazprom and one of his teammates so guy I was fourth that day so it was a real a not just one? Eyebrow raised gas prompts performance that day but both eyebrows. And if if ever there's a stage that you would say well dot com be the con of being some sort of freak circumstances wind or a lucky break away it's amounting Tanja Mountain. Time should be ultimate test of physical prowess it was. It was a very strange performance to performances and for a long time because they went off rarely. They were top of the leaderboard. Weren't they first enough and fully for off I resolve the really does stand as an oddity. Who's our next one please? Well rich we talked about tripling female attention and by virtue of winning State and taking the Pink Jersey in the Talia an cracking story this one nineteen eighty two white jersey. Went Up Marco Garappolo. He finished ninth in not Jarash his first year. Twenty one years of age and Eddy. Merckx said he was Italy's biggest town. He was going to go on for great things the next year in one thousand nine hundred three at the Jiro grotto fell in love hopelessly with a podium. I spoke to him a couple of years ago. He said it all started with a glance at the start of the eighty three year and it was a lightning bolt love at first sight. We began exchange little notes in the morning before stages and I got a phone number and finally we will buy from the same hotel on the night of the time trial. I went to didn't stay more than twenty minutes. We kissed no more then. The next day dropped on the first climb because I had a knee injury and word got around my teammate Fritz. Peirod I'd been with Mandy the night before I ended up abandoning the race. And that's where the story of me being ruined by a podium girl started so yeah after that he never finished grand tour and bought. When I did speech a couple of years ago he was. He was keen to stress that he stayed with Mandy. For eleven years it wasn't just as a whirlwind romance and he said it was still quite about. Actually you know couple of decades later because a relationship but eventually ended and he said manage problem in the end was was that she had one very ugly quality. She was beautiful. It was a curse cast at our d'italia he supported by scientists sciences sport. Fueled by. Siam's thank you very much. Indeed to scientists sport for their support of the cycling podcast enabling us to be here at our Jiro. And you can get twenty five percent off all your sinus sport products at science and Sport Dot Com with the code. Sis CPI twenty-five. I took her performance nitrate jealous morning on my ride and well. I finished so obviously worked and speaking of Feeling Journal Tin. So the second one from Ritchie Avella is the Ross organic that features in the cycling podcast for Jiro. The near Adel. Davila Grapes are harvested from organic bananas. There harms did early then taken to the winery where majority of gripes a crushed and then fermented enlarge our barrels the other thirty percent Allowed to prices call whole bunch fermentation retained a little more freshness for the one on the one for me shows. A real freshness doesn't show sort of anything that's stewed or bike a Jimmy flavors. It really has some fresh bright dark fruit flavors with a bit of dark chocolate and a little bit of tobacco spicer back end there for ten pounds. I think this one represents X. value again but is also wind that you could go back for a second class and not knock you. I hope you enjoy well. One of the day Daniel is this. We've got the IT. Looks like a red one. Yes we got forty of yesterday. We had the white. Didn't we today? We've got a red How you funny above it's a NATO novela. Nettle is often quiet out over. This is the opposite. He's very natural. Sort of You know I'm a monitor. The natural world. We've we've Gone With Divine Saleh's in Greg from a divine says partly because they have the same philosophy about wine. Biodynamic stuff natural stuff. Would you reckon? Yeah I'm just on a greg and diviner. I noticed that he is giving a bottle of wine. A day to People work for chess in the UK. So you can nominate doctors and people he no are working on the front line and Crooner virus and they might get a bottle of wine from Greg which is very nice row. Try and say the right things here. Quite Light Daniel Y- good acidity notice that good good acidity probably age reasonably well. It's light Hannon's novel. The grape variety and cyclists from avalon. Insistently name him could be could qualify. Jira Supernova remember Jam Palo Carrizo careers every limb. Yeah a fairly recent. Amer who actually I think. His career ended in fact it did end because of a doping ban in two thousand fifteen it was announced occurs. How tested positive free. Peo- I'm just me and he's never returned anyway. It's going down a treat. Who is our next well? I think we're moving on to a country now. Aren't we have a question for you? Walk do Yasser Pettersen right hazy doll and Richard Caterpillar having common. And what do they intern? Having common with Alexander Vinokourov Primoz wrocklage. Beyond and Cadel Evans. This cycle US asking this easy honestly while the first. Three Patterson hazy dial and caterpillars are the only three grand tour champions from their respective countries. Sweden Canada an Ecuador. They won the Jiro. Vinokourov and rogue glitch from Kazakhstan and Slovenia the only grandchild champions for those countries. I Have Welter Reese Evans of won the Tour de France for Denmark and earlier. But we're GONNA talk about your Pettersen because this is a story. That really intrigued me and Richard. You pointed this out when we watch stars and water carriers a scene very early in the in the race where somebody's fingers running over the list of Jira Italia winners and the voice. I said something like the biggest names in the sport of one that year and finger very pointedly skipped past patterson the nineteen seventy-one champion as if he's not one of the greatest names in sport which this lum fair. It's an interesting story. Because he was the oldest of four brothers who all turned professional for the Italian Ferretti team in nineteen seventy the others were edit stood and Thomas and they were from a village could fog limb near Voor Gorda in Sweden which is where the women's world to race is held and as a quartet. The four brothers won the World Team. Time-trial championships which in those days with a one hundred kilometer time trial in nineteen sixty seven sixty eight and sixty nine. They also wanted to see over in the same event at the Nineteen Sixty Olympics. And while the Ferretti team they joe blow of Patterson's I signed up all four of them in one thousand nine hundred seventy and in seventy one pettersen one zero a real surprise victory even though the previous year debut season heaping six in the an third in the Tour de France. But he was he was getting on a bit. He was He was one the seventy one. It was a very open. Chiro Eddy Merckx. Pulled out which do right but pulled out About a week or a four or five days before the race. The Homo Teini team didn't take part. Gimondi lost a lot of time in the first week of the race. And Patterson kind if why rose to the top of the classification in the final week took the Pink Jersey Three or four days from the end there was a stage that went into Austria with the race. Lead a cloudy. I Mitchell auto got dropped. He was on the verge of cracking for dot before that pretty finally got dropped and he hung onto a car and Limited these losses that way and given only a minute penalty which other writers were very unhappy about the following day. They pretty much worked over. And Patterson took the lead and then extended it a bit in the final time trial. He's the only Swedish rider to win a grand tour. Let's hear a little bit about him from Magnus Max did. Who's the only only sweet to win a Tour de France stage? Well the some brothers They were all sort of fucking heritage in in Sweden. And I saw you sort of started becoming a little bit better and Starting to lay down a few results up in Sweden August by a barber shop that was owned by You Start and his brother Eric and We obviously Became a lot more aware of what the pet some brothers had done. Through the years and You know the biggest thing was detained. Tom Trial that they do Not said well championships. Sixty seven sixty nine that statistical do them when you got full brothers dot good can actually win the world championship. I think is something special within any school in the world. Really it does really stand it. Doesn't y'all stop Patterson's when the ninety seventy one you but he finished the year before he was clearly a very solid writer indeed a good writer turned fresh at pretty late. And we're in the south of Italy just now of course in our imaginations and not not a that began in Leche and in the right in the sort of The heel of the boot in Italy isn't it and that was quite unusual at the time. Wasn't that Daniel. Yeah we'll has always had a difficult relationship with the south. It didn't produce a wind from the south until Danilo Deluca one in two thousand seven and even he was really from the center of Italy. So yeah I'm always. And there's always been controversy. The regional governors in the south of complained because the south hasn't been given fair treatment in that is used to Passan. Seems pretty obvious to me. Didn't get much fair treatment in nineteen seventy one. I mean just going back and looking at some of the newspaper reports about. Jiro struck me. How Patriotic Nationalistic. On some of the coverage used to be and nine hundred seventy one. All the papers could really talk about was how It was a sof win for Patterson because Merck's wasn't there and and I read a piece in La Stampa which really reminded me of napalm before we mellowed a few years ago very very critical of the Italian riders in particular on the space to Saas. Italian this is Johnny Pinata in La Stampa Jared Italian plumbed. The depths today grotesque fashion. Thanks to the obstinate. Refusal to go into battle on behalf of the favorites. Who prevented dragged down with them. Robin costs off their gloves. Whoever's wearing the PINK Jersey Milan? There's only one winner Eddie. Merck's the so-called AC snubbed. The winning brace that can continue that disconsolate procession voluntary losers there was any difference between them and the herds of sheep grazing the field at the side of the road. The color of their jerseys. The kind of thing napalm would or in a few years ago and Patterson Pattison Memphis. Obviously was that it wasn't a proper rights and Pattison. Obviously benefited from that but he was pelted with eggs. I read On the penultimate mountain stage by presumably by Italian fans yet the Italians You Know Politics. Internal politics seemed to hand the race. Tim in a way not take anything away from his victory but Felix she on the and Gianni. Motta were teammates and apparently couldn't stand the sight of each other. The some good background to all this in Harvey Sykes Pook jeter one hundred some sources from that seventy one zero a speaks to pietro guerra. Mata wrote like he didn't have a chain. That really needle. Jim Monday Ugo Colombo was another is another guy in this book and he was in the Malia Rosa and leaving Patterson by seven minutes to stage seven according to Colombo Gimondi calls him to lose Jersey and follow contention because Monday was also trying to stop dilly only winning. Had He wanted it would have been a disaster for him. Psychologically and also economically because the pie in Italian cycling was only so big and the biggest slice at the time was G. Monday's so if it seemed as though for Jim Andy himself couldn't win. He was determined to stop another. Italian winning while sticking with the Swedish team just for a minute or two another writer who had a a real pup patch at the Jira for a number of years with told me Prima. He came close but didn't win. The Jiro he turned pro for the Bianchi team in one thousand nine hundred eighty and finished fourth at the first attempt that year winning stage in Toronto the following year was the closest. You got finished second. Thirty eight seconds behind Giovanni Battista Lean one of three Bianchi. Pg riders in the top ten Primoz. And well let's just hear a word or two from Tommy Prim problem during the race and and Who I realized it was that Gangqi started your rights with three things. It was me Contini about on Kelly we had. We had a team who only one. Riders decided that we have to work for him but aline had an evolve in that Bianchi was to store his team but they he left the one after another. Do the work so at the final I will done a good place and the next day. It was completely and the next thing. It was burned Kelly so he didn't lose too much comes on that not the final day but the year. Finish up from threat shipment elaborate. It was bad for me because I I was In the back and the race when very hard opt to Cortina and to Serena and I have to work too much for that China climbed to trashing and they're back to lean had he's a launch to watch me and two days after it was finally Kerma Mater and I was fifty seconds behind him and I only managed to take back twelve seconds. So I lost to you because I would say that the Bianchi had if they had to dom de the this to put everything behind me I could have one that you're about to glean of course was in real four that springy just one of welter and then a handful of days later kicked off the one that as well back to back premium the best of three Bianchi PG eroded in the top ten and as he said failed he would have won. The JIRA had he been Italian The following year eighty two. He was second again to Bernardino and he was fourth again in one thousand nine hundred five so a real round of high results on. Gce without actually winning. The Jiro and think I'm correcting saying premium. Didn't actually ever ride the Tour de France that that was something that wasn't unusually days. Roy Does on. Italian teams would not get the opportunity to ride the tour because the Italian teams often did. Jiro but didn't go to the tool Bianchi being one of them but that was the thing that would happen for Jesse ceremony for example in those years often didn't ride the tour what we've spoken about even Quaranta and Yasser Patterson and you've named an another few contenders Daniel for the crown of Champagne Supernova sacco Supernova. Apologize can you give us a few more names please? Well I think when we talk about fluke winners of grand tours. Unfortunately Carlo Claridge's name always gets mentioned. Winter of nineteen fifty. Four zero was part of a big breakway on a state al-aqua and about well over half an hour over three big names the three big. Acc Italian at that time. Copy Martelli and Fiorenzo Magni and yet one. You held on quite easily in the end to win that. Jiro and another sort of double whammy for the Italians. He had been Italian and he changed his nationality to Swiss a couple of months before the race. So yeah. They went one too thrilled about that. Leonardo Sierra Venezuelan Klima. Who Famously won the states that Africa in one thousand nine hundred zero and again was? Are you young at the time? I think he's twenty one. We're going to hear more about that rich later in our JIRA. We're going to have johnny savvy on about how he allegedly acquired. Leonardo Sierra swapped him for twenty two bicycles not entirely true but and as Johnny will tell us what was reported at the time. Bicycles or just random bicycles. We'll get into that napalm and spy strange coincidence another Supernova Jose Serrano another Venezuelan finished third in the two thousand five all and came from the same town or village in Venezuela Leonardo Sierra. And then I'm didn't completely fall off the radar but certainly never rescale those heights and if we think about windows rich when we mentioned clarity another very famous one is faster bed tall. Your who won in one thousand nine hundred seventy five and Jira finished on the Stelvio and it was the most what stage ever on Italian TV. Yeah that's another one. That really intrigues. Me No no. Sort of processional finish You know every year when the two Franz arrives on trump's elise as someone who say that they should get rid of the procession in Paris and just have the the race finish on a mountain top. It has happened. Nineteen seventy five on the Soviet amazing but the JIRA. I probably the the race most likely to try something like that again. I guess maybe they were one day. Interestingly though the race lead didn't change and so today just state the site the chase ages state more or less the same and another one Daniel. A lot of people will will recall domino. Kuna goes went in two thousand and four at the time it seemed not a flash in the PAN but the start of A period of domination than than success for clinical. He was one of the bright young stars of not just Italian cycling but world cycling and had a great rivalry with his teammates. You'll birth to Simoni. Of course Aninat raced for a long time. Only retired a couple of years ago and but for many years seemed to of drift around. He never repeated. The success never looked like repeating that success. Although I do feel that some of his wins are kind of overlooked justify. They didn't win. The Jiro again has wins and races. Like you know Lumbar Day em. I'm still gold. Race is even mad at the world championships to as an eight were overlooked because none none of those performances quite lived up to winning the Jiro at. You know in two thousand four age. What was he at the time? Twenty three twenty four twenty two twenty two at the age of twenty two. So it's tempting to ask what went wrong for KUNA go. Are you know in the end? In the final analysis was his career. A disappointment he is the one of the great and was to the last couple of decades. Yeah it was a very strange story rich on pro cycling magazine. We used to have a feature called the FAB four where we would pick four riders to watch over the course of the season and in in two thousand and four. We picked Kuna go and what we used to do. With these features. We still a big story with the writers at Star of the year. We'll go to the house and interview them and I went secret go home. Easter live in the mountains white family still lives in the mountains behind Verona and went there and sort of a typical story. You during those days the family was very humble and sort of working class. Family and his brother was there and we went into his bedroom. And he had to g Morrison poster on the wall and the pantani poster. And he's a really down to Earth Kid and at that stage hadn't done much as a pro then. Over the course of the season we would stay in contact with the riders and we will do a monthly update. And I remember the first couple of months of that year. He was so telling me about where he finished in. Settimana copy about Italy. Well down the failed to get a little bit better and then I didn't update one month in and he'd he'd gone really well toward the bus country sort of finishing stages fifteenth and then over the next four or five weeks. He went absolutely ballistic He won the tour of the Trentino. Won Two stages and the overall I remember being passed on the age and He'd won a rice. Initially Channel Tour of the appenine and the ride. Italian right is coming over the line in the Edgbaston aged at heard about this from director sportifs and I remember Stephanie Ghazali. Just sort of stopping and saying want again go one again and then the Jira I started and he won. I think in the first week you WANNA stay in in the second week you WANNA state. And then they'd gone in his team cycle with Simonis. The captain the big favorite for the Jiro and stole its thunder and the apprentice surpassed the the master and then we had that famous incident. Where one yet another stage. And she wasn't happy and shouted by Star though as he came over the line. And you know it was a great imbroglio in the last few days of that. Jira only verses Kuna guys Simoni was acquired. Could be quite a temperamental current on them. Yeah he he ended that here in a in a very bad mood indeed about what KUNA KUNA go had done to. Yeah that was an extraordinary year. Two Thousand and four and cuny never really at reach. Those heights again did but his results were were good. I mean he wrote a grand tour every year from two thousand and three to two thousand sixteen a one a stage of Welte in two thousand and nine which was The only other time that he won a stage of grand tool but it was fourth again in the fifth in Jiro. He won the White Jersey in the Tour de France. She was six in the Tour de France. In Two thousand eleven. You know he was kind of a a feature an perhaps. I don't know a warning to what can happen. If you burn incredibly brightly the rest of your career and then the expectation is on the show for the next fifteen years but the doping questions of hangs over Kuningan his career really and pretty had that. Yeah this I'm doping-free tattooed arm but that was arranged. Two seven two thousand eight when he was sort of reinventing himself as a as a one day writer. Punchy of one day writer and a law of people drew the inference that you know that he had okay there and make a lot of assumptions here but he almost made a calculation that he could with doping be a force in those kinds of races and not and grandmothers. The there was a very symbolic moment. And you're a piece in and pro cycling by KUNA go on there. Couldn't go enigma. A few years ago Daniel and there was a moment when Lance Armstrong came back and rode the Jiro and a sort of a moment that kind of crystallized the the the respective status of the two of them it was Armstrong was even if he wasn't at the height of his power as he was still the boss and KUNA goal was very diminished. Seemed than they clashed in not. Jiro Armstrong famously authored. The the words I'll crush you little prince and in that moment also the nickname itself there was something demeaning a by on it was a real symbolic moment of tuna goes status had declined over those five or six years. Yeah and you got the sense throughout Korea of discomfort discomfort with the role of the pedestal on which she'd been placed When he won that I mean it was I was there at the end of that. Journey was absolutely feverish. Comparisons with copy on Pantani Donald Marco. Pantani KUNA goes back here at died at three or four months earlier. And you know I remember speaking to a colleague Polly Thomas L. And he was saying that it was like watching a reincarnation of Pantani that someone had been sent down to avenge Injustice Pantani. It had suffered and people did get carried away then straight immediately next season had glandular fever and but he also didn't didn't thrive in the limelight. He didn't seem to enjoy it and the eternal question was always. You mentioned his. I'm doping-free campaign. The question was always. In what circumstances had he won in two thousand and four Had he had some kind of? Pathan thereafter after howdy changed the world. Riders Teammates Leonardo Bertagna Ali. Who's a guy who got done for? He got busted for doping years later he always maintained the KUNA goes had had his career robbed the he. He's actually. He was actually someone who had had pretty strong ethics all along but then Kernigan himself was also named in a doping investigation sending on his lumpy team years later it wasn't really conclusive and he was certainly never convicted of anything but there was still to this day something inexplicable about his career path which seemed that way and you know I would love to think that one day he would tell his Oh exactly what happened from his point of view but I don't get the impression that you will well that's something did happen you know in other sports you do get 'em athletes who who peek a very young age and then I'm an never quite live up because the pressure and the expectation externally and internally creates demands and pressures that weren't there before on on on you're able to recreate that that performance this is being very naive in a way but but also just applying the same logic to Koonig another cyclist as you would apply in other sports the other thing rich and we're going GonNa talk tomorrow about another anomalous edition of the Jira but the Jiro especially in recent history well history there have been these editions where the field if one was to be brutally honest has either been decimated by scandals or it has been relatively weak I mean the two thousand and four zero race just looking at the final top five as Gonchar second are very off Color Simoni was third Popovich was fourth and Daria Cheney was was also right up there and you know he was someone who never really came close to doing doing something like that again and although we mocked the Im doping-free tattoos transfers the M Kunwar years later that and that was it was kind of at the time and in that context quiet statement in a way it should it should it should some courage actually they want many people who are prepared to say anything on the subject of that time but the you know it was it did attract bit of ridicule as well because obviously they were temporary tattoos that washed off I mean there was the fortunate sort of what it lent itself turn unfortunate misunderstandings and I am doping-free was he does that mean that he wasn't paying for Yeah Lost in translation and the Italians love their English phrases. Don't they well anyway? I mean to conclude our perceptual Supernova. Episode 'em do we want to pay maybe three of our own perceptual super from Kiro Writers who burn very brightly but but only only briefly and there are a few who've done in Jira context. You know you could you. Could you could say Chris from Had only finished zero before winning it. Of course he did perform quite well. In other rates he left one zero OCTA getting a toe to the top of the final amount. His final mounting on one of the race. Motorbikes didn't he holding on holding on on claim on. Yeah that's great. That's great but I I WOULD. I would Well there are two obvious from the scene writer. Has You if you look at his win? In two thousand fourteen. It really does stand I as a as a quite exceptional performance for him. You know. Sort of Samantha's love affair with Jira and he went on after that to some more strong performances air. But that was a surprise. Ev Genie Bears. Who won in Nineteen ninety-four for Belen a real upset beating? Miguel injuring there again. He went on and perform. Well again. That you that is a result of performance that really jumps. I even Roberto Santini Am I. May We mentioned him a few days ago. But he won the one ninety-six he had finished up there before he was pretty consistently top ten in the Jiro for fears not somebody who produced those sorts of performances than any other race. So they're my three anyway. I thought you were going to go. I thought you were going to upset me. Deliberately gratuitously upset me share forgot my number one and number one is pinal. Tonkov You know our complete Washington won. The jeeter ones didn't do anything else second Nineteen ninety run a of welter on numerous occasions. I thought you gonNA actually include me as well. The you know I've only ever produced any decent work at the The podcast is concerned. See that's a good here. Yeah I'll put Daniel even their honorable mention for Yohanam oink who won in nineteen seventy eight still the most recent Belgian grand tour know. Well I've I've run out of mind but there is one actually that I intended to mention a heaven and Julio Perez Cuapio the Mexican climb up who In the early noughties which I'm really papa with stage wins in the in the Dolomites in particular. We'll that Sarah Supernova thing. We can all agree. That the The stand I is Pavel Tonkov and not Kathy and leave it there. Shall we haven you even more of a heathen about Powell? Tonko than you're about doing. I'm absolutely mortified more. I'm only joking. Daniel Tonko was a fantastic writer. Can you know just just aesthetically appreciate? I know you've been. You've been watching some clips of power Tonka because it relates to our next episode. Can you not just appreciate grace? And fluidity of the pedal instrument. Oh absolutely. Yeah if you didn't really like him. I'd love him Here now he's great. Rock rock solid on. A bike wasn't a elites elite gray. I mean hours. Remember him and Pantani being. We're not contrast in their in their styles and both very appealing. Yeah he looked great. I mean you know when I look in Garrett win those and unseen myself right passes its tunnel. Tonkov is the writer that comes to mind anyway. That's all I I. What's coming up tomorrow? Lionel? While we'll be on Mount Etna to witness one of the biggest explosions in Morton Jira Richard. Your interview with Cadel Evans who arguably came within nine kilometers of winning the two thousand and two Jiro Fascinating interview one to look forward to well until then thank you very much lying on. Thank you Richard. Thank you Daniel thank you chaps before we go we should say some thanks to some friends of the podcast people who've signed up friends the podcast and don't forget that if you do that now you will be able to watch our first film. 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2019 Giro d'Italia Stage 15

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43:57 min | 1 year ago

2019 Giro d'Italia Stage 15

"You can you can take that opportunity. But you call team car. Number two to play to take your place. You never ever leave the team leader without assistance behind the peleton. So if in this case for sure, you know, theme car number two was was way back with the last riders of the team, I hope for I hope for JIMBO vs mind, the team directors that it's not true. Otherwise, it's, it's a it's a massive massive mistake, which, you know. The risks he had to take in the downhill to, to close the gap and not being on, on his own bicycle the result is, you know, he missed a corner, and he crashed in, you know, I think actually considering everything he gets. He gets away quite good. You know, go back to what could have happened. All right. Everybody. Welcome back to the move podcast. Brought to you by patrolling tequila. Alongside might to co host the two JB's J, B Hager, and Johan Bruyneel talking about stage fifteen from IGA as Johann, so sharply corrected me either at to KOMO two hundred and thirty two kilometers and free Americans that may sound, maybe our unrelevant number because it's in Columbus. But in miles, one hundred and forty three miles, it's a long as ways. And this was this, this stage didn't disappoint. I see that the that the euro on their website here gave it four stars. You know, on paper around the, you know, just the, the profile is mostly flat. But then boy, the fireworks went off at the end didn't they boys, absolutely. Absolutely. You know what's to be expected, then I think that there was an added added component today of the fact that Rogge Leach has had some problems. He had technical problems with his bike had to do a bike change. And of course, you know, that kind of motivated the knee Bali and got up us do go go really, really hard on, on the last climb, which was super steep for kilometers. But retirees steep, and of course, they got the information from their team cars that Rogge which was on a, a bike of teammate, not his own bike. So obviously, that's going to be of an influence for college. Now not the same size not the same position. It does something even if you're even if it's more or less the same. It's not it's not exactly what you need. And so they. Took advantage of the circumstances of the race today. Johann was he caught up in that crash with the Dombrowski and a couple? I mean, it was round that no, no, no. We don't know what happened to the to the to the bike. But the obviously had something it was serious enough that he had to make a bike change. Yeah. I mean he he was not caught up in the crash. He may have been, you know, somebody may have touched his wheel or history or something, because I saw images of, you know, recorded images that he kind of all of a sudden, went on the side of the line and was going back for, for his his car. He definitely didn't crash crashed off towards b because of you know on the downhill with his teammates bike. But something must have happened to his bike probably probably during the crash of them Brodsky, right? Yeah. They Johan that rumor that you heard I just got a text message from somebody at the race as well. And, and they're saying the same thing. So. Okay. At least a rumor is. But not infirm, or deny. Yeah. The so now we're getting it from two different sources that win. Rogue lich had the bike problem in needed the bike change. He went back to back to look for his team car. So the rumors that the team car had pulled over to take a leak. With twenty five kilometers to go in the race with the very technical run in if in fact, that's true. That is just massively irresponsible. He he had no team car and he needed a bike. So he had to take his teammates bike heady gone back to the teen car. He would he would have taken his, he would have taken his spare bike. And so that's a very different thing. I mean saddle height all the measurements, just the feel and the flow of that bike is just different if it's your teammates bike. So again, we cannot confirm this one hundred percent. But if in fact, it's true Yongqing speak to this better than anybody that that's just a. Got you. Can't hold it for another thirty minutes. Yeah. I mean, that's that's you know, especially knowing if it's somewhere in the middle of the race that you, can, you can do those kinds of things, and unusually what you do. If you're if you're team car, number one. You can. You can take it up unity, but you call team car. Number two to play to take your place. You never ever leave the team leader without assistance behind the peleton. So if that's an in this case for sure, you know, team car number two was was way back with the last riders of the team. Yeah, I hope for I hope for JIMBO vs mind, the team directors that it's not true. Otherwise, it's, it's a it's a massive massive mistake, which, you know, if even if it has this problem, and he can change to his own spare bike, his knowing how meticulous of guide, this probably is, is, is spare. Bike is exactly the same as race bikes. So for starters, he wouldn't have had that gap on the on the on the climb because you could see. I mean he was he was really. I mean he was going good. But now if you're peddling a little bit differently when it's really a one hundred percent on the limit for everybody he had to leave that gap. And then, you know the risks he had to take in the downhill to, to close the gap and not being on, on his own bicycle the result is, you know, he missed a corner. And he crashed in, you know, I think actually considering everything he gets. He gets away quite good. You know, compared to what could have happened. But. I know about that. You're on. But the let's let's just Mark down this, this, this moment in time here because I this, this may make or break his Jiro. I mean the lost what we're talking about yesterday that in our own heads. You know, he's got to have a minute, right? He's got to be within a minute to, to potentially make up in the final t t he just gave up forty close to forty seconds. Forty-seven seconds or whatever. So he's with really tough day come in the day after the rest day. But you know, in, in on the downhill, just you just can't win on on another. I mean you know what I mean? Like you can't going up hill. It's uncomfortable going downhill. You know, a teammate's bike is is gonna feel totally foreign it's going to handle completely differently. His setup is completely different. So he was he had to take risk and you saw that downhill was very technical twisty turny fast narrow, he had to take risks in, and, you know, one point ends up in the guardrail and in, you know, not for nothing as they replayed it, you know, when I say, ended up in the guardrail, I mean, like really ended up in the guardrail. So who knows what, what kind of trauma or blow? He took to the ribs there on that left side. Did you I don't know if you caught that you'll but he it wasn't just sort of a you didn't just rub up against it? I mean he hit it pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully. For, you know, for JIMBO visa, that's not what base. But what they have to pay at the end, you know, because definite dicara pass is going to try again. He's very strong super strong. I'm uphill. So he may lose some more time to mean to cut up us hill and they'll forty seconds, may turn out really really very expensive. Very expensive nature break had would say, what would you say J B? Well, I'm going back to the team car situation, because if, if you're not the driver, you know, you grab a water bottle in pissing that if you are the driver do the same you or, or you just piss, your aunts. That you know you lose a little dignity. But you got a job to do. Yeah. We don't want to. Look, let's just leave if it's true, it's, it's just unbelievable irresponsible and unprofessional. And so we don't have confirmation of that's let's. Man, I, I hope that as yawns at a hope that's not the case because that's, that's sort of lose your job material. But anyway, the team you know, he's got bigger problems as well. I mean, the team is just at the end of the race when there's forty guys there. He's alone and you see movie star UCS, Tom, you, see Bahrain. I mean, there's so many even poor house growing teams that aren't that great have multiple riders. He's just. It's, it's, it's not trending, the right way for for Robuchon fourteen just just got a message here. Seems to be confirmed. Yeah. Well, I mean, if I own that team, there'd be a different person driving that car tomorrow. That's, that's, that's that's insane. Hey, before I forget because tomorrow is arrested for the tour of Italy. This, this show as it as it is existing right now with you to let me try man occasionally won't we won't have a podcast more, but we're going to put up a really interesting podcast and we're gonna put it under the move banner considered putting putting it under the forward, but it's so cycling heavy that we decided to put it here. So I I did a podcast couple of weeks ago with, with an Israeli guy by the name of Ron Mark Golliet. And some of you guys and gals may may recognize that name. He was a professional in Europe for a long time. His dream was to was to be the first Isreaeli to ride in the tour de France. So he, he worked his way up ended up Bjarne resigned him with socks, oh, Bank and never made it to the tour ending, you know, decided he'd gave it his best shot. So he retired then he started the Israeli cycling academy team, which, of course, is, is, is here on this tour of Italy step down from that about a year ago, and he's, and he's launched this or created. And building this new boarding school, essentially in, in Israel, just outside of Tel Aviv named after Gino Bartali, who course did amazing things during the war in and around the time of Mussalini and, and, and Hitler, the, the level of heroism and, and the brave acts that Bartali did back in the day as he was just out training in speculation is, is that, you know, through his, his clandestine, accent stuffing forged papers and forged photos in the seat tube in his handlebars to get these Jews out of Italy, speculation. Rumor has it that he saved upwards of eight hundred. Eight hundred Jewish people in Italy at the time, which is he never talked about it. It didn't want to didn't want to hype himself. He didn't wanna talk about what he was doing the consequences if he were to be caught were fatal not just for himself before his family. So wrong comes on and talks about the, the Gino Bartali leadership school in Israel, and we, we also talk about a lot of other things, but we're gonna throw that up tomorrow on the rest day. So, please, please look for that. And give it a listen. Let's get back to the race. You know, I as I listened back to something you said yesterday, Lance, you were talking about this, this area video Italy along lake coma, which is beautiful like one of the most beautiful places in the world. And arguably is that the, the roads and in, you did say this it's, it's not as cycling friendly as you would think all that beauty. And we saw that these gnarly narrow tight rope. Roads. And that's clearly Nibley knows these roads that's already is in December. But I was watching that going. He knows these roads better than anybody. And that was an amazing thing to watch. I was absolutely blown away by descending. We'll even if he doesn't know the road he is the best. Well stuff to say I mean, but he's, I think. I mean, I think he's top three in the professional peleton when it comes to descending. He's just his skills or are wicked in look when you watch these images of today stage in the helicopter angle and you see the lake and you see these beautiful villas, right on the lake and you see, these green hillsides you're like, oh my God, that's that must be amazing to ride there. Well, having lived there for years and kind of made a remark about this yesterday. It it's those rods. They're not, not. I don't wanna poop late. Komo's because it's one of the most beautiful places in the world. But it's it's tough to ride around there. The roads are very tight. They're twisty as I mentioned yesterday, and you guys and gals price today. There's a lot of tunnels, so you're notably. Your these dark tunnels with, you know, cars flying by it and its dense there's a lot of people in northern Italy. It's the densest part of that country. And so it's you know I it it's obviously great to race through because the roads are closed. But if you're just there for a casual bike, ride it can be stressful. And you know they don't you know for what? Ever reason the, the, the people of Lombardia don't have a ton of patients when it comes to cyclists, and we always grew frustrated, they're I mean, obviously, she get off the beaten path, and get up into the mountains. It's, it's dead quiet, but it, it can be stressful in, but boy, some of those some of those shots just like looking over the lake. You realize why that's such a tourist hotspot who was your portrait of the day, you guys. Well, for me for me, it's got a it's Cataldo, especially because, you know, he's, it's the ten th time he does the Jiro as an Italian tenth year. It's his first victory in the Jiro, and he's been quite breakaways already. And he was in one that he potentially. He could have won. But they made him drop back, do the to the breakaway of Lopez, and London the date at Lamda tacked on the, the first the first night, the first day that went up, that's deep climb. So, you know, both of those guys, obviously, you know, they were very strong and at some point Catania was stronger, and then Cataldo was stronger and off to two hundred plus kilometers out there. It's it's vile race. And I think this guy really deserved his win. You know he was. This is why it's better. This is why it's better to go first. When you pick the patrol on the day that way, you don't seem like you're copying somebody. But it it in. Yeah this guy's he's been in the game. Dario cataldo. He is my paternal today. For, for all the reasons that you'll onto stated but also what's his name there? Cantat in Catania. He basically stopped working at the end. So Cataldo little confusing. Those two names had to keep riding because they wanted in make sure they kept those time bonuses away from from Nibley. And so how many to keep riding the last few kilometers on the front to lead out the sprint on the front and continue tried to come around him and just couldn't get around him. It was clearly he was the stronger of the two. And, and therefore, you know, therefore the patrolling of the day on a day, which was there was a lot of guys that, that were, there were lobbying t to, to be that person that was super exciting. I was I was I was on the edge of my seat. You know, as a fan casual sofa sit and fan. I couldn't help. But think today how quickly your loyalties and allegiances can shift you know going in. I, I've been such a fan of rogue lich and I still am. But just the aggressiveness like I, I love to see aggressive riders. Be rewarded in, you know, Nibley in Cada. Pas the last two days of been nothing. But exciting. Yeah. And there's more to come. I had on this car. Pause Johann was right. And his, his, his Intel was right. He is. He is incredibly strong. And so I will see, again, I talk about all the time, well the dynamic of the rest day, how people what they do on the rest day, how stress-free are stressful. The rest day is in just how they manage it and how they get back into a, you know, to the stage the follows it in a lot of times, it's nice to have either a flat start or flat or stage or they're not getting that in this in this particular stage. So it'll but this, this assuming car, pas can handle, and manage the rest day on the more Torello you get if you people haven't ridden the Motorola is ridden, the Motorola. No, I've only gone up by car. It is unknown. It is so hard. I know it's. Sleep. It's it's like a cart pass beat. Oh, speaking of cart, paths, I just realized I have to get off this podcast pretty soon. I'm gonna leave it to you, but I Don coming up. And so I hate to do this, but, but no, so I am going to go play golf, but let me finish on the mortuary. Oh, I it's just hilariously hard, and, and the crowds are thick, which is really cool to see one little tidbit when you're. Mario Cipollini had the top ten one of the top ten fastest times up the more control and he was he was off the back alone. And he was yet. His time up the Morty Rolo was in the top ten for the day. Cipollini Mario Cipollini. The lion can because I mean they don't happen there. Yeah. Yeah. There's, there's so many defo's you for those who don't know the talian fans are the, the name the call the Tif osy. There's so many t- foes E ON that climb that he was just getting pushed the hallway up. And so it was getting so I mean, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pushes. He was in the top ten is that that's just amazing. What I've never did that shit for me. Now you can only you can only get that when you're dropped, but it's, it's, it's incredible. And these guys and especially for a guy like cheaper Linney. They go crazy. And they don't just push they actually run run run with him until their until they're dead. And then the next one and it's the next one. So it's a relay race until the top of getting pushed that's funny. That's, that's funny stuff that, that you'd never get to see. I love it. Yup. Okay. Hey. Guys, I'm gonna leave it to you because I'm going to go. This is this is important. I haven't college playing playing with college. So he you know, we'd college gets real grumpy man, you show up late is just on me on me. It's a dollar waiting on a dime. Would so. With him tomorrow. While you are maybe I'll go with you. Oh man. Going gonna get long. All right. Thanks for. Hey. And again, Ronn Margalit tomorrow. Really, really interesting podcast. Please check it out. And then if y'all will let me in have me back. I'll be back with you guys. What Tuesday Tuesday? Okay for older stage. Yeah. Mortgage role. Are y'all have fun? Here's what I want to ask you, because you forwarded a clip to me, with a of post-race with rogue lich. Yes, they have the audio here because you said, I love this guy and I think this will work hang on. Let me see if I can play this audio. Yeah, it was a was a hard day. Well, it's easy to say was a holiday. So it was a positive of course. What was the thing between you? And then is there anything between you Nibley constantly looking at each other. No. I don't think so. Like, we, we are here to raise. So that is what we do. Did you talk today? Make peace in the goping like Hunchback or his pump. Yeah. Of course like so, yeah, we did. Primoz. We saw more aggressive racing by you today. You have to raise aggressively now with car poss-. He's a danger man. Yeah, of course, like I think it was not really a lot of romantic or Tactica on the crime. So we were all just for you. Have you beat the counterpunching? Of course, I'm happy with the with the place. I am you ride. Can you afford to write defensively now in these next stages, because he seems to be dangerous movie star seems to be dangerous? We're like I said, was was a good day. And again, not rates performance of the team. And the yeah, we go on. You ride to defensively. Nibley was pretty strong yesterday. In those comments, I'm not here till Coleman. The distinct selling here for the ride the bike. At the end, I'm not here to I'm here to ride the bike that that's great. I mean you know, he just stays calm. And that's why I said, also yesterday, you know, these games these media games will not affect him. You know, it's, it's clear that the guy is just focused on what he's doing. And you know, it's Nah, I like him. I really like it is so interesting to watch in, and I come from media. So I, I know exactly what they're doing. You know, they, they provoke, and they instigate, and they tried to create drama where it doesn't exist. They tried to create rivalries, that don't exist. In fact, Lance even talked about that, if people thought there was some sort of disdain for Pantani in, in Lance addressed it in our that the tour podcast last year. He's like, you know, we didn't we didn't speak the same language. We never had those, any intimate conversations, good or bad. It just we just raced against each other, but people build up. But, you know, the media people build up these that they try to create this drama that should shouldn't be there all the time. Yes. Yeah. I it it happens. It happens a lot of, and especially, you know, when you have two big rivals, you know, it's easy to do make the people choose for one or the other. You know. And that's what it's like, you know, that's why that's why football soccer over here is so is so important. And so, you know, like in Spain, it's either for Real Madrid or for Barcelona. You know there's nothing in between. And so I you know, in Italy, especially in Italy, they had the they have this, this system, or this culture or this habit. Don't know how you want to call it. But, you know, it was photocopy against Gino Bartali. Just two guys it was mosaic against Saddam Oni. You know, so they kinda need this rivalry and create this, you know, to, to people and play them against each other. So d- Italian media obviously is, you know, they're specialists in that. But I don't think I don't think they have the right candidates. With primos Rog Leitch due to at least let it affect him. Now he won't engage. I, I do like that. He's like, I'm not gonna go there say something bad. Nibley it. It's his composure very, very good. Yeah. Yeah. It is. Yeah. I, I think he's a special guy, you know, he's he looks like a very focused individual athlete. And you know. Okay. He's from Slovenia, obviously, but, you know, ski jumping maybe more popular dad, but already, you know to choose a sport like that you have to be somebody really special somebody, you know. It's not your not your everyday logical choice. You know to go in and do ski jumping now. Okay. Let's look ahead Johan, and let's talk strategy for stage sixteen which is gonna come after arrestee in as you Lance of talked about how important the Martha Rolo is it's gonna be a showdown. What is what does everyone need to do these these top guys? It's, you know, first of all, it's the same thing is going to it's going to we're going to see the same as what we saw in the in the mountain stages. Obviously, you would be seized that movie star is very, very strong compared to the rest of the teams. You know, the Bing jersey obviously has increased their, their level of motivation. And you know you see this young kid. Got it that. Oh, I think he his name is, you know, he's this is a really young rider noble you ever heard of him. But I mean, the amount of work. He's doing and a so late in the stages, you know, and whenever he's dropped he's fighting to come back, and he doesn't matter, not another polar in, you know, so that's the proof that, you know, having the leader in the team brings up the level of everybody. That's what I see with movie star. They are really strong. So got up us is for sure the right now, the undisputed leader of movie star, especially because again, he also gained tie time on Landau today has shown that there's nobody who can ride away from him in the climbs. And if he decides himself, he can try to get the right away from the rest so knowing that and knowing that he needs more time. So, you know, the Motorola will be did the day that, that stage will be today where he, he will try and. So, you know, we will be we'll see an interesting interesting race. My opinion very difficult for the breakaway to stay away, because it's going to be, you know, it's going to be big, big Barham amongst the favorites. Nearby is giving really good impression. You know, he's climbing radio. Well, Dr really, really well. And his team is also you know, he has always guys with him. So, you know, I mean, even even in the case that, you know, a writer of the team cannot they can do any work. But, you know, just the fact of having somebody there today, for example on two ocassions. You see that you're poor primos Rog lychees by there by himself at the moment he needed needed bottles. He had to go back himself doing the car to fetch bottles. Right. That's, that's okay. They choose the moment and it's not that difficult. But you know what when you're in the mountains on, on a big climb the car is really far behind so you have to be weight in the back of the little group, you're in and call the car. And so, that's, that's the first is advantage of being by yourself. And then, Secondly, of course, we saw today, you know, if there's nobody with you, and you have a mechanical, then I mean, luckily, luckily there was little group which was just coming back. With this young writer told who in there, and he could get two dogs by you know that lucky. But because otherwise, yeah, I mean, we'd have he would have had the way toward for the car. And you know, if if it's finally confirmed that this is true than than his euro was over for Raj. So for. Yeah. For the next few mountain stages is going to be the same kind of development of, you know, aggressive riding of nobody in the writing of movie star, and rob niche trying to, you know, trying to defend because right now forty-seven seconds, if it's damp trial tomorrow, he rogue latrines Jiro you know, but, but he can't lose any more time and got up Austin the others, not that, you know, he needs to do more time sold in the stage of the Motorola is the ideal stage because Motorola so hard so steep that if you crack there and, you know, you're going to lose a lot of time. So if if caught a pass can put in another minute on rogue lick. It's than it's, then it's for him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's about the number he needs. Yeah. I think I think, you know, a minute and a half would be safe in my opinion, because, you know, the last day, it's the time trial. But yes, you know it's, it's not just being a better time than the other one. It's also the level of freshness. And of course, you know if he's in the lead. Any leader's jersey into the module Cy in GIO, gives you wings? So, so, yeah, I'm in half would be would be safe, I think for for cut boss to say, okay. I can I can win the deal with this advantage going into the last time trial. But you know, I mean it's definitely doable the way we know what from what we've seen now. It's, it's absolutely possible. Absolutely possible. Just just maybe a little a little, I mean, I know that the listeners have been this has nothing to do with the Jiro, but actually, you know, the first part of the stage was so boring that actually watched another discipline World Cup mountain biking, and, you know, huge Saillant and wonderboy much. You've on the pool has has won his first bake mountain bike race a World Cup. I mean he wanted he wanted to raise the other the other day. But it was not like it was not the big race. It was the short the short version of it. Today, he won the he wanted to the one in Nova Mesto in Slovenia, which is a very, very hard to hard course. And yeah. He it's that guy's incredible. He's leaving. He's leading the World Cup mountain biking right now. So another jersey and it was a two two man race with him and Nino shooter, who's the reigning world champion and reigning Olympic champion and considered almost. Unbeatable. And so this young kid just jumps in there in the middle of the season. And just the you know after two races in the game and winning it. So incredible really, really, really incredible talent than you know this. I don't know. There's nothing on a bike that this guy cannot do and be the best in the world. It's, it's amazing. Like selfishly for the move. We'd like to see him on the road. More. Yeah. Yeah. I mean obviously that's where the biggest famous and you know, also the biggest contracts. But you know, he said he said after the amsl gold race he said, you know, now I'm going to take a break. And now I'm going to do what I like the most this riding mountain bikes. So his, you know the, the, the rivals from the classics. You know, they must have been more even more the moralize when they hear that this guy, just one, you know, the absolute gold rays, and was the best rider in the tour Flanders. And now he goes in the goes, a mountain biking. And he's again, the best of the world. So hats off our for this guy in. Yeah. Who knows who knows what's going to happen in the future. These capable of doing just anything. What a talent. Yeah. Go Johann who this is two questions comes from j and Westfield, New Jersey, it says who is the strongest rider when you were a professional. And what director, did you have the most respect for when you were a director? So the Starbucks part, who was the strongest rider your air. You know, the strongest proud of my air was definitely make Miguel in Ryan. You know, he's we're from the same the same year. And so I, I did the majority of the tourists that Miguel. One. And he was by far the, you know, the strongest most he, he he, he was imposing himself. He was really you know, as he was not just a good bike. Rider. He was a big tall guy, you know, just basically transmitted power, you know in. Yeah. He was impressive. The strongest rider by far. I mean, especially if you if you think about the France, and he went to a couple of gyros also. But he was he was by far the strongest rider that I've, I've raced with. And then as a director, you know, obviously, the guy I mean, I spent the most I spent five years at on say, and, and so, you know, of course, manorial size back then was ah very, very strong personality in very unconventional director a lot of new ideas. He also you know, he he kind of. Broke the traditional cycling laws and little bit with the different approach and I've learned a lot from him. But, you know, I've, I've actually looked up to, to all of my directors in my first sport director when I turned professional was ah Belgian guy called fed in on Brakha was he was he was a big champion. He wanted to. He had won the tour of Spain when he was a professional. He was third in through the frowns. He was world champion pursue tat had the world hour record. So, you know, for me, he was like one of the guys that I delighted when I was a young cyclist and finally, you know, when when I was racing for him and his team it was. Yeah. I was I was in admirations and back in those days, whatever these guys told me that was like, you know, it was like, you know, was like it was written in the bible. You know, that was whatever they said you did. And you believe in you just went for it. So. He was somebody important than than I went to lotto, and I had another director, there from them broker who had a different style. I had raised him at the end of his career, but, you know, I also learned from him a lot, and I think, you know, I took a little bit from everybody, but the, the, the, the, the one single director, who was was the most how would I say imposing was was Manolas ice from from team on say, and, you know, I'm, I'm happy that still as of today, even after everything that happened in cycling and everything. Now, we were, we were he was my director and became big rivals, when, when postal an answer were going head to head into to France. And we had a lot of lot of battles and a lot of discussions and fights. But today, I'm, I'm happy that we can call each other good friend. Ends. And, you know, he's, he's a good person. He's a good person and, and somebody that I really have another respect for, you know, I'll, I'll add to that question because I would like to know Johan win win. Did you know that you had the chops in the knowledge to be a director? Was it when you were still on the bike in your in? You knew late, this is where I'm going to go after I retire as a racer. Not really not really. I, I think I think I told the story and one of the in the earlier podcast, how I got to be the director of postal with Lance. I had never really thought about that. But, but then later on when I really analyze the qualities of, of a sport director in cycling, I think that because of the way I raced and my level of, of while at the as a writer, I mean, I was, I was not a big champion. Sometimes I could it could be good and beat one of those champions, but, you know there was always a certain strategy behind every win of mine. And I think those X cyclists are the best are the best ah can become the best sport directors because, you know, it's not, they don't take for granted that, you just, you know, you're, you're getting on a bike, and you have a talented writer and you win racists, I think, and I've seen from experiences with really big champions, at being my personal director. That usually they're not, they're not great sport directors because I have two examples. One of them was when I was on Robbo bunk. For example, one of the assistant directors and he did this for his hobby was a writer called. Yup. Ceuta milk. And, you know, for those who don't know he's Dutch, and he wanted to, to France, one year, he was numerous times, second behind that Merck's, and behind Bernardi. No was world champion. I mean he was an incredible strong writer and the guy, you know, you went to a small stage rates actually, you know, I remember I went there with when one of my teammates, my roommate, actually, in that stage was other even the pool. But you have under pulls fodder, who was on the same team with me. And, and I remember it was one of those stages in France, and was up, you know, it was a little bit hilly, but not really hilly and three or four guys of the team had been dropped, on, on a second category climb, and you could just not understand how somebody could get dropped on a second category. Climb. You know, he just didn't it didn't it didn't register with him. He and he was because for him, it was just normal now the going up a second kinda reclaim your in the front. That's not hard. And so and another another ride another ex champion who who was a little bit. Like that was actually at the marks. You know, when when Addie was the, the trainer and the coach of the Belgian national team at world championships. You know, he oh, of course world championships are different. It's different because it's you know, it's, it's all really strong riders of different teams and it's a different strategy. But also Eddie, you know, you can really see him think and think back to, you know his ears and the way he destroyed the fields, every single time the old went up hill, and in general, those are not the ideal qualities to be a good sport director because you have to be able to put yourself in the shoes of the rider. And you know. Not everybody not all cyclists, torture, or champions, like they are. So I think like a second, a second level cyclist who, you know, has some, some strategy intellect could be the best sport director. That makes sense. I, I like that theory on that lately. Makes sense one more question for you Johan and, and then we'll, we'll get you off for your rest day. It says hey guys loving the daily podcast on the Jiro makes my compute commute much nicer since I can't watch the stages live. I wanted to ask Johanna question during your racing career which climb in Europe. Did you dread seeing on the course? Layout was the one that, that had you simply hating climbing, that's for Matt white Albuquerque. Yeah. As a very simple answer. Move onto. The model of the mobile do for me was was a climb. If it I just didn't, you know, I just didn't never did well on there. And, and I don't know the reason but it was just a climb that I didn't, you know, didn't work for me didn't work for me and. You know it's an it's a very special climb. You cannot identify not appear knees, not with the Alps you know, it's just in the middle there somewhere, and it's to climbs in one, you know, you have the I eight nine kilometers are very steep in the in the forest and then all of a sudden you get to the middle point, which is called shunned at Charlotte or not. And then you go all the way to the top, and it's all open. It's, it's less, deep, not, not, not a lot less, but a little bit less D, but it's open and you have this weird feeling of, of altitude even if you're not doubt me, it's because it's not super high the move onto. So, yeah, that climb foof when I saw that one. It was I didn't I didn't wake up in a good mood that day. It is. It's kind of a mental thing because it's, it's an it's an ugly mountain at the top. It's just as an ugly place. Well, yes, yes. But, you know, I mean you, would you would think. Right. That's uphill. And if you can climb, and I mean, for me, I could I mean I could climb these cently if I was in good shape. So and I've done that climb into Dauphinee and in other racists. There was a small race before news, which is in that area. And so I've done that, that climb several times when I was in decent shape. And for some reason, never never never performed well on that, so yeah. Definitely not one of my favorites that was an easy, easy answer for me. All right. Well as Lange meant mentioned earlier in the podcast for the rest day will have that Ron Margalit. Interview to fill in for us, and we'll be back with you on Tuesday for stage sixteen for more fireworks. Yes and see the morte role and yeah the Clemson before, you know it is a pity. Of course that the God. Yes, not in there, because it would have added a lot too. You could potentially see bigger differences. But yeah, the alternative road. The route is also it's you know, there's, there's a lotta climbing. They will already have done a decent amount of vertical meters when they get to the bottom of the immortal. Oh, and so expect big attacks there and then downhill and up to operate colleges again up hill. So that's the day. That's today if something if something needs to happen for processing and all the others. And for Rob Lee to defend his position right now. It's going to have to happen on Tuesday. 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"You're listening to the cycling podcast brought to you by Walker. Flexible LOANS BILL FOR SMALL businesses. I W A DOT CO DOT UK. Hello my name's Richard Moore. I'm with Lionel burning. Hello Shirt and Daniele Free Branchini narrative. Jiro designer course designer head Honcho for our JIRA which gets underway on Saturday Daniel. Not just not just the cost designing not just some faceless functionary also the race director. She says so sorry. Someone's getting a bit big for their boots on the Lionel. Yeah someone's upset me today. Maybe we'll elaborate. Oh my goodness me. Wow jumped the gun. As far as the is all Jira this is. I don't know if we're getting back line. Someone's someone started the prologue on the Friday while everyone else will all the other teams were still? You know collecting their bags at the airport. Well we we should be going to Hungary this week as with many other people in the cycling world for the Star of the Jewish. We are not however we are beginning our daily coverage of our Jiro on Saturday. And we've all been working pretty hard. HaveN'T WE Obviously dials working the hardest as race director. An but you and I will have been interviewing people and collecting lots of great material for the next three weeks and cooking as well. I mean I've been busy as a bee in the kitchen. Making Italian themed meals so and interviewing people from the world of cycling as well I mean. Let's let's not with your mouth. I hope now. Now now he's going to be well he's going to be a a three week journey through the history and culture of the. Jiro and Italy south. Isn't it Dan? You and that's the idea an acoustic love letter. Think Lakonia Cousteau later. We'll be telling stories. There are many elements to this This three week bonanza but the food you mentioned lionel there be a wine element. It'll be a writing element as well but we'll also be telling stories. Recent and old by the Jiro and we've done among the interviewees we've got cadel Evans. Tom Mulan Chris from Andy Hamster and his win in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. Your can laugh the Danish filmmaker 'em feed him the other day you to be nice females people's well haven't you do want to mention a few names the most of Lafayette names in my case As as is my wont even Quaranta. Remember him. Ritchie pool of cool. Luca GWEAT ELENA. My former coach famously. I a shadowy figure who was in the headlines a couple of years ago and then became a very controversial figure since dissipated a little bit from public view a connection between him and while the first three stages of Algeria and Hungary what about you. What about me well? I really enjoyed having a simulated lunch. With maxine entry last week which will be one of the longer form interviews or go out Dhabi born toscan raised maxine. Andry and we'll find out about his Anglo Italian route signed Well stay at one step of separation from maxine. Andry to Robert Deniro. I wonder if people can work out how that comes about but Yeah the Jiro out. Jiro we'll also look in detail. Mario Cipollini Gianni Boone. Nieto's nine hundred ninety jared Italia win when he led from start to finish and of course when Italy went crazy. Summer didn't it but Johnny Boone one year and I think it was the first rider since Eddy. Merck's in seventy three to wear the PINK Jersey from start to finish and of course that seventy-three. Jiro say Richard was the subject of Yoga and left feel the stars and the water carriers which I watched this morning. And we'll be ready to revise our Barry Norman Impressions for a Film Review Online. Thanks mobile will cover a bit more of this in the course of this episode. We're going to hear from White Mitch Cisco Sports Director as well. We'll hear a bit from Tom. Dumoulin as well and he's recovered from his injury and how he's finding the current situation. Larry War buys again with his His dispatch from lockdown. And some news about Larry War Bison cornered done and their adventure from a couple of years ago and a special treat for friends of the podcast will have Francois Tommaso Song as well. But a moment we're going to hear from Marco Penalty Head of performance at CCC and former Ryder M. Mark was on the podcast a few weeks ago and he lives in Bergamo. Of course which was one of the places very badly hit by corona virus crisis. Now we're am working with Stacey. Snider the ceramicist again this year. She has made some beautiful mugs and Cappuccino cops. They will go on sale on Saturday. First batch will and say on Saturday and once again they'll raise money for a good cause and in this case we decided to ask Marco to to suggest a good cause and he suggested a cycling school in Cheney not far from Burgum more and well. Here's his rationale for that. So I came up with the idea of that sir. Cycling's call real name squalor. More first of all because it's right in the middle of the area most affected by the Coronado SPEC beginning. It's an valley city Anna and Then because I I never raced for this or never means diving. Board with with them but The majority of people have talked to. They told me in the last year. This club cates. Because it's a club and then The kids from six to eighteen or twenty years old. They give them. The possibility to raise is one of the the club. Give keep the some some values in order like the first school is more important than You know the bike racing end. They tried to give the the highest amount of our young riders. Possibility to raise the goblets of the tarrant told a possibility. Knew you mentioned that the the the you know. You're you're very supportive of the people running it. You feel that they are m you know. They're good people and they've set up a very worthwhile initiative. Yeah it's all the people they the people who who ran the team all volunteer and it's It's also by by. I know I know the. What is the vice-president? And and his father was the President. So it's it's a lot of volunteer and all or done by donation of the. Mola Industries of the valley which are suffering as well The problem of the lockdown industrial and On the other side is also one of the valley listening see unaware several daily go APPs out the team they grew up to are all disappearing because if they're not turned from from the D- Ads being more and more industry and and so it's more and more dangerous could go by bike and many clubs left and is one of the few wandered. Give the possibility to to young people to to go by bike. It's a very nice. It's very nice ride. The bike actually is so famous climate. Salvino or up to Passovers Alannah. And I think you can touch with them then you with this suggestion or this proposal. What what was their reaction. I mean they were initially they just to show you how this peop- humble these people they say. Yeah but we don't know how much money you can raise but it's better maybe to give to people really needs like a doctor or nurse right now are hundred big pressure that was. The proposal was really at the beginning of show. We hit US The noise we could hear how of the road was The ambulance is so the president. I seen you mentioned. I mean if you give money to people so they said this show again in and the immoral the people in the well that was Marco penalty explaining that the mugs and capture cups made by Stacey Snider will will benefit not psyched school. It sounds like a great cause. And we'll tell you more about that over the course of the next few weeks in terms of when the Stacey stuff will go on sale. It will be on Saturday. Am It'll be sold a through her oetzi eat. See Page at C. Page and let's SEE DOT COM E. T. S. Y. Dot Com forward slash shop forward slash Snyder ceramics and she also update her website with information. But when they're on sale that'S STACEY SNIDER DOT COM S. T. A. C. Y. S. N. Y. D. R. DOT COM. We've already mentioned whine. And they'll be wine available to listen to the podcast. Well they want to buy some wine and some of the proceeds from that will also go to the site couscous. And Cheney think you've got bit more information on that Daniel you've got more information on the wine than any of us rich at this point almost a week out from the start of the race. I think you've you treat yourself to a bit of a sneak preview. The wine Nicely yes yes well. In addition to all say that's are fictional. Jiro route fictional sort of redacted Jiro. It's some some similarities with what would have been the twenty twenty Jira route parallel to that. We've also come up with a wine route Petco THEY VINI. And I've been working with Greg Anderson from Divine Sata's which an independent why merchant in London specialising by dynamic wine organic wine on. I'm Greg Cote with a selection representing the Jira raw. Jiro route and those ones are going to be available to buy. 'em Greg I think can deliver to pretty much. Anyone in the south of England might even be able to go further afield than that. And we've got a Senate on Air Algeria disliking podcast. We've got a baby. Jiro section so There's a twelve bottle option and six bottle option and we'll be tasting the wines and will be commenting on them In well certainly rich case in his inimitable style online for the during the episodes that's rich has any of the one left by then. You're listening to the cycling podcast brought to you by Walker. Flexible LOANS BILL FOR SMALL businesses. 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Yeah it's it's a lot going on now is still secret busy. Yes he had to change some of the things that we've been racking onto adapt in the current current situation that we find ourselves in. If I walk a sounds like the perfect fit for your small business to I walk. Dot Co Dot U. K. that's W. C I dot co dot. Uk. We'll tell it more by our Jiro. Emily thrown in the episode including the route But this morning I spoke to my White Image Mitchelson Scott Sports director. Somebody who for me is synonymous with the the Jiro Talia? And you'll hear from him again. Throw our our our Jira coverage as you would if the jury was actually on note on on various topics by also ask him about how things are at the moment with his image than Scott and the possibility of a revised calendar later in the year with the the tertre Franz coming at the end of August followed by the Jiro and the Vuelta and and asked him about that. A little bit about how? Some of his writers are managing this situation at the moment. Part of the magic of Jiro. Maybe that it's the first grand tour of the year if this revised calendar comes off. 'em What would it? What would it be like going to zero in October after the Fronts Louis proposed. Calendar comes off. It'll be very interesting because we've got wind of prediction. Is that window between the two and many many Reuters saying the especially this year sign sighing. All want road toward front was all white for the Jira no so Whereas people do that People People Don Rather twitter frost throughout Gio in the world. I think the combination if to grandma's do either lap the GIO in the wealth. I think the combination. You'll save guys doing his. Maybe the tour in the Welte and I think you'll see a different topic. Roy Maybe the and also being able to do with the with the first race Holly Luckily won't be studying in Hungary so I be free sprint status Yeah it's interesting. I have a different guy. Winning the Gio then probably would have won Probably would've Abandoned his normal countless I mean how do you pick teams for these races as well? I mean given the locker racing and I'm not the factor of the Jiro. Em you know the not being a building block anything else just an end in itself. Heidi go about selecting teams for these races. The goal would think that most teams would be in the same situation that they will stack it to teams so by saints doing already take the best of the tool but yes sometimes. He can't especially the younger guys or wherever he sometimes. You can't take Austin. Gr to the tour so not not. The best field doesn't always goads Look at some of the latest. They've got the I road the two this year I think every team will have their JC. Go at the tour and a single be more. The Young Go. Rod Is Ninety two up and coming. Dc Gauze you'll see battling out full the Low on unattainable any US way. They've got a lot of latest. Maybe you still want to counterparts leading detained because he had so much debt weight his counterparts fit into the Francais so you have the luxury of having seeks grant to a win loss in there so all the jumbo visa that will send old free latest the Any any US will send the best possible team to the to Maybe there's not mighty this too much talent. They send one or two goes to the Jerusalem. That's an enzyme with US S. Originally doing the Doing the Jira Holly. Luckily he went by now. He'll probably be focusing on the tour. So it'll be interesting so Jiro could almost be like the in in New Orleans also also be interesting too is when you look at. The the sprints can only Kyle Unit Vivianne Gavir. They did two weeks of Judah and then got the two now old as always think will be the to another. They don't to pull out of the twitter fast Jira. So you could say quite wake Very Different Springfield Joe's will You might not see you top flight guys at the in the spring and sprint is because this is not trying to recover up so it'd be real interesting go because I two weeks okay recovery. But it's okay recovery running riding ten days. Yeah there's there's a lot of whatever's in will say Causes Tonight especially especially when we say there's been a lake county but that's only the world to Rice. A lot of small rice is going to be lighting there as well. How optimistic are you that that will? We'll see any racing this year. You're seeing your kids aren't aren't due bucket school till September. And they all leave the hell. They're going to get it done up to the experts and the government's because they ended. I didn't want to get into Saudi rice. Not Use your Yeah it's off and understand how they gonNA move three thousand people around Hotels Daily Alien Aside. Why NOT Lot's going to depend on how this virus more these viruses Data seeks out. You know things are moving pretty good at the moment Is finally I think in the hundreds Montana In hundreds of deaths a diet the moment really scaling down and the the the contamination levels a real going really. Well so I think. In the next thirty four weeks divorces is gonna be very minimal hia but the big problem is governments. I think governments aren't GONNA be so I've been opening boards and especially people from at least America is still going to be the center for wall become Can't see Timmy at White? We stand at the moment Governments Accolades Freight Movement once. He's doesn't clear up as much structure in place for the writers to for their heads as much as their bodies may be at the moment. Just just just to stay connected. Yeah we've we've got we've got some. We've got some young in Who've been locked in their pop seven weeks so measurement twenty-three-year-old the Callum Scotsman is in apartment on his seven weeks in Darna Shopping equally as probably. Isn't that amazing compensation someone Feist Two months so it's probably been quite loudly to Monday morning. We'd we'd been doing the tame raw and that's been on zoom still been having a chat and mocking around they do one lap easy and they mock grant on the second line that was on that staff may jumping on there as well says the women's stay in the stuff that's been every Monday. Then the Ruby writing was on last week we had switched off on this way again and they've had been having to said. I Sunday that has been structured Roy For the team and then I mean wake one size. Make something to keep everyone into tying I think the the gauzy drawn are will probably be scaling down to be now because those guys have been laid out in the road as of tonight. Right The guys. Dora held the enduring government as well at the moment is for wake so those guys have got their lead to go one rooted in Dora. So they've got to draw the the starting point mccown Roy. It's A. It's adding back to talk to qualms in Valley road between Aida Cloth and live at ten o'clock and they're going to have a follow cow with eighty Kooky Rules Yeah so. It must've that goes. It is going to go the count. The one that there isn't attain car. But she now is that they can use normal comics. Guilford ponder wants to follow him for two hours on the road at back but The enduring government because ninety four. 'cause there's only forty eight pros endure so of the forty eight Split up into two groups and so one group can Monday Wednesday fraud. I choose Thursday Saturday. It's going gonNA blow it also this way whereas the living inspired an Italy they were there into a There are now so that was my way the Sports Threat Sports Right. Scott talking by the the proposed revised calendar and obviously iding The point that weather these racist happen is very much in question and ultimately be decided by the authorities rather than the UCI or s or R. CIS. They've gotta work on the basis that they will happen the moment and plan for those races and that that raises lots of very interesting questions and challenges supposed not least the fact that the Jiro will come after the third of France and I thought what he said was really interesting by the affect. The field and somebody. Simon Yates. Who was going to go to the Jiro and try to win. It would not know do that in this new scenario and then also you know. He was talking about the challenges. Some of his writers have living alone in some cases and the writers Mandara and he also mentioned. I mean a couple of things by some of his writers are living at altitudes 'em Simon and Simon Yates and Lucas Hamilton. Two Thousand Meters Esteban Chavez is a two thousand seven hundred meters and he says it gives them up to twelve percent disadvantage in the in the erasing He also said he'd been keeping an eye on what some other writers another teams are doing. The He's noticed quite a few writers basically just doing what they do on the road on their indoor trainers twenty-five are weeks and he said that none of his writers are doing that. They seem to be very much kind of Maintaining their fitness rather than training. Really hard because the goal is so uncertain at the moment the target that they're aiming fart and nobody really knows where whereas for sure. So am yeah. Some interesting comments is always there from white assault yet rich. The the calendar discussion the count. The question. could be quite fascinating one. Obviously nothing's been confirmed yet The People I've spoken to insure and and certainly Several of the reports have come out in in Spain. Italy a pretty unanimous that The the jury is going to take place between the and the twenty fifth of October and the Welte will be cut to eighteen days. I think it's eighteen And it will be between twentieth of October and the eighth of November assessor a week earlier than we thought it might be on was talk a couple of weeks ago about wealth finishing in late mid to late. November. I'm but what he does and hinted out there. In the interview was it takes the the the option of welter as a sort of Kind of last chance saloon. Right I compare it to that awful nightclub the time you would go out to university in London and there was a place called hombres just off Oxford Street and the star of the night. Everyone would be absolutely adamant that they would not end the night. Ambrous and you would. You would try you. Try to catch the you'd be be out there. You know drink came and trying to catch the of some lucky lady earlier in the evening and starts get quite despondent. Get quite quite drunk and then by the end of the night. Everyone was piloting into umbrellas. Wealthy is last night isn't it? No one says the start of the year on targeting. The Welsh were not many people. Do a lot of people end up But we I mean if the jeer on the welter overlapping. There'd be some people in hombres and will be. The people with some taste will be next door somewhere. Much Nicer Igloo. Exactly exactly exactly but but we know now that if if anyone really wants to do the the welte whether to a wealth to double. It's probably going have to be premeditated and I'm con- be impossible to someone container Jiro. I'm the WELTE You know there's the other question of prestige no that Mitchell. Turn when there was discussion a few weeks ago about an eighteen day? Jiro conversations were ads on any. I'm sure it wasn't just not team book about. You did not diminish the Jiro if takes for example Simon. Yates a couple of years ago. Looked certain to win a journey. You very lightly to win a jury tire on. He blew up on. What was the nineteenth day so if you imagine winning and eighteen day ground tow now in this in this compromise season Would he then faced the the allegation? The argument that are well. You know he can do over eighteen days but not nineteen or not twenty one so the welter is going to have to face up to that. Isn't it and it's going to not might impact some runners Yan's grow. We're used to seeing asterisk. Asterisk beside writers names for Grand Tour. Wins but this would be a slightly different one. I guess I think the thing. We have to bear in mind really. Is that the the calendar as written is is like the the most ambitious child Christmas list. It seems to me you know. Put everything on there. You know on a scale electric set and a computer and a bike and really it may. Well be that that we don't get everything that we would like. And you know the fact of the matter is that we just don't know whether the calendar will be able to resume on the first of August as as everyone hopes it will and we don't know whether professional cycling is really dug down into the detail of of war is and isn't feasible logistically and I think it will come down to what the teams feel that they can. They can cope with and the people that the win races will be the people who have are able to adjust to potentially plans changing right up to. Maybe what two three four weeks out from from something actually happening. It's impossible to Plan on the basis of of one hundred percent certainty that any of these dates are going to hold star It could be somebody could be targeting. An event the Tour de France starting at the end of August and then finding that that gets shifted back a month really. It's going to be a case of everybody just coming to the start line hoping for the best and really. I think it will be more refreshing to see some racing and worrying about the kind of the wise and wherefores of. Who's doing what event? And whether they're in the best form You know that kind of that's a secondary discussion. Once we actually see some competition going on I think that yeah we just have to have to wait and see but I would. I would say listening to Matt White. Talking about right is doing five hour weeks on on the train and the possibility of being mentally burned out let alone physically burned out by the time. So match racing museums is I would have thought would be higher if if somebody's hammering themselves WII doors. That's kind of what he was suggesting. And also why you know. Their team are really dialing it back. In terms of the training 'em in terms of of hours am. I mean one writer who is hoping to race this year as all are but knows what it's like to not raise racist Tom. Dumoulin who we have ensued for rg coverage and let's your little bit from him now because he obviously had last year right with With injury and on I was just keen to find a high you know. He is in terms of fitness and form and how he feels to be sidelined once again. How how are things now? You you've obviously Had your injury from last year. M does it does it. Nobody's racing at the moment. But does it play on your mind? The it's been a while since she did racist is that something that you atoll Not Necessarily not necessarily worry about but the yeah sometimes I doubt a little bit like and how. How is it going to be if I when I come back into the PELETON Do I still know how how how it works? And do I still know how to fight for position and stuff like that? You know About my physical condition. I'm not too worried. I mean I know what I can do I know what it can do in the in training and that's the same as any other year. So yeah I'm quite confident about death but it will definitely be strange to to just be in the second world again. I've been out of it for so long So but anyway nobody will have racist for at least half a year. So actually we are. We will be in position or end of end of August. So is it. Is it easy to keep motivated? When there's so much uncertainty you've do you find that difficult or or or not no not really no no. No TRAINING HEADED LAST YEAR. Already had a lot of time as she to reflect on what? I what I wanted what I what. My ambition civil war wants what I love about the sport on what I don't like about the sport and about my job actually And I had so many answers That yeah I take that into this year. I know what I want and I know what I want to be. When this whole corona crosses over that it had to. That's what that is. What gets me up every morning and I'm still very motivated. What was harder being long term with an injury or being sidelined like everybody else as we are at the moment. Tougher the injury when everybody else is still racing. Everybody's in the same boat now Which is not nice. I mean it's not a nice boat to be in a hell together but at least we're in this together Last year felt like ours. The only it was actually true. I was the only one sitting in that injury And that was dislocated harder to accept at times. Great Well Hope. We hope we see your racing and everybody else racing against in and out fingers crossed. How how confident are you will be this year? I've really no idea. I just really hope we can raise at the end of the year. in some way maybe without people on the side of the road or maybe we just need to do our best. Do you have to find a way to still race As long as it's not affecting global house If we have if we can find a way to not affect our to not yeah danger. Yeah exactly Then we should just race in some way and I hope that's going to be possible but at the moment nobody knows. Podcast is supported by sciences. Sports Science in sport fueled by science. Thank you very much to scientists sport for their support of the cycling podcast. Very grateful to them as ever and if you want to get twenty five percent off. Any scientists products go to sciences sport dot com and use the code. Sis C. Twenty-five. I've been munching away on their goal. Energy bakes and Even had a sneakier aware performance nitrate gel on our group ride on Sunday morning line. Did you indeed? Is that why you may have noticed? You might not just a little spurt that followed down but Rome. Box hair heroine. Virtual I was I see was virtually romping virtual box hill and and doing so in the vicinity of Stephen the Chief Executive at sciences sport who joins us again on the right and I did spend time trying to drop him right trying to ride pass and quite fast by kept coming back so he must have been taking even more of the performance nitrates than me again. He had to to your wife. Yeah But yeah the Energy Baixa Great. They are little cakes and are a nice Substitute for energy bars way. Strawberry and lemon. You wait until you're actually supposed to have those you personally before you cracking a my panel d. I'll congress this is he's not GonNa let this go izzy. I mean I think technically I did probably open these before I was supposed to the energy on me and they were sitting there so tempting ballet the wine anyway. We heard from Tom Dumoulin there. We'll hear more from him in our in our Jiro coverage but Daniels a point. You wanted to make a BI turbo training. Well just you mentioned The they're awesome Reuters who've been doing very intensive training sessions on Tiber of China's and a lot of hours on China and Moses into an Italian Port. Cossio die in. Mario Cipollini was one of the guests on. He mentioned in front went into detail about how he thought that the a lot of writers who are doing long hours on turbo trainer will derive quite a big advantage from this at least in the short time. Because of the nature of the pedal stroke on Taibbi trainer The lack of dead spot. I think everyone who's written a tablet China Will will know what I'm talking about particularly you know when you do simulated climbs on the turbo trainer and that the sort of the way the resistance is distributed across over the whole pedal stroke and yeah. He thought that a lot of a lot of people would come out of this period. If that's always been doing very very well particularly on climbs obviously we expect the restrictions have been relaxed in most if all countries for for a reasonable period of time before the auto racing on the road starts against a maybe whatever advantage people all deriving will will no longer apply then. But it's an interesting point too. We know think would endurance not suffer as conditions. A you know it's a cease or isn't it you get one bit of it right and then the other bit starts to suffer and then if you work on the insurance Indian the top end. Start to suffer. It's not the case when seven our rights. Yeah well yeah I guess so. We are seven hour. Turbine training ride that going to be able to do twelve hour. Road stages brilliant. Jere the thing is you are. You're peddling the whole time which you're not on the road and that in itself you know a narrower to our right is probably worth more time is equivalent to a longer ride on the road and pure white this as well because He is well said the the the thing about turbo trainers you on especially on some of these plot from you always go hard. You don't go. You don't go on the turbo trainer and go easy whereas all his cycling. The last few years has been tootling around one hundred twenty eight hundred fifty watts and he said that is normal. Size is running. And he hadn't been running for a while. He noticed when he went out running having spent last few weeks on the turbo trainer that he was really fit. So I think I think it does get better actually movement. Paseo the CCC writer has spent six or seven weeks obviously on her turbo trainer and went. I we can and wrote her local. Climb Rocket Chorba and I'm trying to figure out whether she actually broke her best time or went very very close but the long and short of it was the her former. Certainly very very good having spent all that time in the turbo trainer little addendum to that. I just messes actually movement. Paseo and she did beat her previous time. Rock core about her previous that time as Queen in the mountains was thirty. Four forty after six weeks or so on the turbocharged thirty one zero nine so she absolutely hammered or previous time. One thing I think we can be fairly sure of rich is that the physiologist and coaches are watching who were working for well teams another pro teams in an watching their writers over this period in the training on Turbine. China's will be able to harvest an awful lot of interesting information On they may might well. We'll information which might well inform the the way they train ride is going forward We might see some fairly significant and interesting Changes says of received wisdom about training. And how well to ride? It should be training going forward just before we leave the subject of Turbo trainers. We should mention our latest friends. Special shouldn't we which is a real treat for for anybody because it's Is it's an interview with Daniel. Freeb introducing Daniel Friedman my goodness this prompted or inspired a flurry of sign ups. When people heard about this one really did. We had a very busy weekend. People obviously keen to understand the enigma. That has Daniel free annuity. Listen to the weekend Lionel did. Did you really yeah dude? Yeah no no call. Tyke was Otter surprised well. You mentioned your vio to Max Spoil it for people who But I've only ever been cycling with YOU ONCE. Donyo and there wasn't there wasn't a great deal of evidence that you are. He will talented on that particular view to Did you had to stop shop and chocolate bars to get the last ten miles back to walk foot station. One thing we we did not speak discussing the PODCAST. I wasn't in the M Francesa. Wasn't that see a big believer in eating drinking on the bike and nephews to drink? I was a bit like Pantani. I was on a Pantheon. Remember which one teammates I think he might have been Fabio. Fontanili used to call him the camel. He never. He never really drunk much when he can get you shit something. You'll never drink much when we do that. When we do part two we can cover that loss of fascinating stuff in there. I'm sure people will enjoy that. Was Me Interviewing Daniel? I in a series of ostiense feed by others online. Will you've still be interrogated as well? Yeah often want to do that in person. Don't you really if you say so? Listen Daniels. Or here's here's the Frost Napalm Nixon in that episode is be well you can do if you want Daniel. Yeah that'd be great Excellent good luck goodbye to our. Jiro shipping busy on Daniel. The is being revealed this week. Can you tell us I mean? How did you set the boat that we obviously had a root for the Jiro this year starting in the past? And how much have you taken of the original route? And how much he added the flourishes of your I wanted to retain the spirit and most of the template of the original route It was this was very fun exercising. I mentioned this a few weeks ago. it was. I think we discussed in the kind of thing you would do the back of the classroom when you were fourteen or fifteen should be concentrating on Latin for me. It was designing golf courses on a on a notepad or football jerseys I think napalm you deserve you designed psychographic Jin yes. He used to design my own Tour de France routes and natural While the Tour de Kings Langley which Only one edition ever held Featured the infamous sex shop time trial so. Yeah I think these were quite an should point out. I didn't call it. That was that was the name given it by Simon the photographer. Who was the only other rider in the event only to Roy started the tour to Kings Langley? One finish and we both finished. We both finished so anyway. Rich and getting to get back to our roots and much like Napalm. I was very ably assisted. I had a bit of a wingman and that was ben low of value view. Now you're If you're not familiar with with what we've been on value. They are the mapping service now. I've been working very closely with well tool teams the majority well teams now. I think use bellevue lost. Few years using Bellevue is really pulling the curtain back on. How well teams plan races How they record roots the kind of information they look to harvest from that route wreck as and that could've preparation. I do things like Google Earth. Your Benson we've known for a few years now when we we thought we were we might set about our own Jira route or simulated Jira. Bam was an obvious person to help us and then I think we can. Hey from now rich. He's going to a little bit about. You're on a little bit about the process. Awesome working with a heavyweight of of grand designed like yours truly so is basically just a website which is used by both the professional teams and by many many recreational cyclists and it helps them to get the most out of their writing by enabling them to look at their Straw data of interesting ways. So I started back in about twenty twelve and just working as a developer and built bellevue. Because I just wanted to see the list of all destroy segments done so I had no idea how many top ten's top fifties I had so it was purely around building that list and just sit saying what I could do with this Java data and people start using the site discovered it and And I just kept on adding more and more features things that data visualizations and charts and graphs that just a display all travel channels different ways and then Through the thirty profiles was really interesting. And those are key to to what the teams using and currently being used by your spot and G. C. N. for the ad is with traces going on and is is really good. That it motivates people to get out and ride more. That's kind of one of the key things and already wanted to motivate people based on non-performance based target so not to do it speed or power so things like adding two numbers and say it's basically how many times you've ridden us it distance. So if you've ridden hundred miles one hundred times but you've not ridden a hundred wooden miles one hundred wooden times then you'll Eddington. Number is one hundred that one hundred miles. But then I've got various different one so based on climbing and base on kilometers for people who be hiding to bring kilometers and is in miles so yeah. Let's face the audience in the massage for the masks. So it looks. Yours is got just those fifty thousand eight meters of climbing so I can the data for the for the team so you got the access same exit is the team so you have traded elevations here so yeah just over. Fifty thousand meets climbing so the Tour de France when the originally planned the twentieth is fifty. Five thousand meets the climbing. So it's touched soft on the overall climbing distances. Well as three and a half thousand Columbus said is Pretty Standard. Really but you. You definitely have some pretty hot stages in the yes. Some some horrible looking finishes so for every single stage. We've got the details page for it. So the way I processed old older Old of the rice roots for the whole season. Including you'll our. Jira is that they get mapped out astravo roots and the the the teams gets it planned for racist France as well using same page. Which which you. The normal users will be able to access as well and they just get a few extra features in there which John Relevant to a to us normal folk so yeah basically you can go in there and look at the three D. PROFILES. Look at the workout. Where all the climbs going to be Look in some of the theology era that we don't have to ride stage so they'll just be certain sections so so we'll also have the segments available for those as well so bill to say exactly what it is. You're doing each day. It is a challenge. Yeah there's lots of red so people know Mike Profiles if it's red that means it's very steep and there's certainly a few stages on what you've got. Some horrible looking. Red Bits is fourteen until stage nine so not just before the rest day so at least you got a little bit chance to recover after that surveys. I've managed to keep it going just on my own. Coding and all the all the admin stuff and making all the coffees. Everything like that By I'm hoping to recruit my first at some point over the summer everything goes well So night's speech been a great journey and about over four hundred thousand strawberries now. Connect their accounts to develop this crazy habits. It's grown so that was. That was Ben. And it's been great from working with him over the last few weeks on this. I must stress that if you are a bit of a nerd And your psyche or even a run or even a Kayak or canoe You can spend said that. Sign Up. Canoeist canoeist canoe pilot. I don't know how you can sign up as been said that Bellevue a pro and it gives you a vast amount of absolutely fascinating detail. You can lose yourself in that for many hours days. Weeks and months every possible Metric and piece of information. You could possibly imagine About your own route planning your own performance You will find that on a ten pounds. A year is really extraordinary value. So Yeah we'll be we'll be talking more about the root of the cost of three weeks off their mythical legendary climbs and center over there also rich nods to the current situation in Italy. There are sort of these two places we've talked about the last few weeks and like Burgum. Oh I'm which has been very badly hit. By the corona virus crisis they're all locations that relate very much to our history. Our story the second podcast over the last few years in the year. We going to revisit some places where we've had funding games. I've lost few years and we can ride sections of our Jiro as well conway where we're going to be standing at least Richard and I are Your not going to be riding or you don. You're going to be whilst head out of the Sunroof Race Directors Cau- shouting at the crowd to get back and like to see a graphic of the on the on the ride that will be doing because we're using the RG GT platform. Which is free to sign up to and they'll be segments from each of our stages available for people to ride starting with the prologue in the past on Saturdays Right Daniel the whale Richard on the stage. The state will be available for three days So you can. You can ride it at your leisure When it suits. I'm for three days and it starts with a prologue on Saturday. The prog is actually identical. Would have been the Jira prologue in Budapest and over the the 21-stages whether twenty one segments So really is the first grand tour of the seasons. The only grunter really in cycling taking place in cycling at the moment and our listeners can can finish that grand tour stages are about well. The segments are between twenty five and forty kilometers a day. Some huge climbs in there. You'll be going over. Climbs the FEDAIA the yellow and we like to see a leak some listeners. Complete the route. Well we we complete the segments. Didn't expect someone to ride. Three thousand. Five hundred bills is with fifty thousand meters of altitude. The but we'd love to hear from people writing and will I. We're GONNA get gross of this as we we go on and on the will pass be opportunities organized group rides and have races and so on as we as we go on. So we'll we'll we'll share experiences of writing it with you on a daily episodes. Yeah and if you haven't signed up to our. Gt Cycling Platform will only details of how you can sign up to the platform on our website. The second Paul Cost Dot com slash. Our Jiro and well basically you download the APPS for your computer and your phone and away you go and Yet well I'll be riding. I'm not sure I'm going to set out to try and complete the right but You know probably for the few days behind then gave up before the mountains so I'm not saying they're not saying the bar too high but I'm I'm GonNa try a promise to try to try to complete the Jira. I mean one of the best things about it napalm is. He didn't have to be leading general classification of school board as we sometimes referred to it to wear the Pink Jersey. There is a psyching pot. We have designed with our. Gt CYCLING PODCAST OFF. Jiro Pink Jersey and you can wear that on the On the rides on the digital platform should just reassure people who perhaps on enamored with e cycling or virtual cycling. We're not going to be reporting on these stages isn't what our Jira is about. The podcast itself is really Our regular Jira coverage a kind of of the stage that daily stage episode kilometer zero put together. The only thing missing is the actual live racing. We're going to be delving into the history and culture of the rice UNAV- Italy itself so we not. We're not going to be talking about how Richard got dropped on. Stelvio in In Algeria row virtual JIRA. We're not too much anyway. I mean you know if do manage to draw Richard. You won't hear the end of it. Of course no even listening. I'm listening I think. Well whoever sets the best time in eight in the opening time-trial in Budapest looking forward to that I mean yeah Anita Google how how to cheat indoor cycling? Hey guys it's Monday. May Fourth here listening to log down with Larry. Yes so can't say a whole lot exciting happened this week. Yeah I guess I finished up arrest week last week and then got back to training again this week. So right now. It's kind of like you know going through the motions. A pretty happy to see that a lot of my colleagues and friends in Europe are able to get back out on the roads again either this week or next week for the guys in France so Really happy for them. 'cause that's a long time Inside and definitely tough on the head so I think that will you know do them do them well but I do have an exciting announcement to make. And that's that so. Yeah I guess most of you are probably familiar with the no go to her that connor done and I did a couple of years ago and you know I think there was a second podcast episode on it as well with conners audio diary. Well actually the whole week we had filmed a lot of stuff along the way. Connor had to go pro and we filled our adventure and considered putting together a video at the end and actually did but we felt like maybe it would be cool to do something more with it then just a little video that we put together ourselves so at the same time. Podcast actually was considering getting into other forms of media aside from just audio podcast so it was a perfect match and they asked us if we would be interested in being the first first video that they did so or movie. They sent great team out. Law Paul C. See I believe is the name so feel she. Hanan rose manly and they came out did some interviews with us in niece send filmed this writing and writing together a bit and yeah put together pretty sweet movie which I believe this coming week will be open to a friends of the podcast and potentially in the future to others for a small price so I think I've already seen some preliminary parts of it and I'm pretty excited about it so I think it's kind of fitting fitting experience or movie to watch it this time because it's all about sort of rediscovering you know your freedom and everything like that and so with the imminent d confinement in many countries. I think a lot of people will really get to enjoy that that time outside and that freedom on their bikes once again so I hope you guys will get to get to see it and Enjoy so I'm pretty excited about it. And Yeah hope you guys really like it so that will be coming soon beyond that Yeah just that's pretty much the most exciting thing that's going to happen in a long time for me so just been eating well. My Mom's been cooking lot delicious food sometimes. Too Good So yeah I actually. I started the Diet again to get back in shape This week so Trading's been going really well but I have been indulging slightly more than usual so This last week it's been been back on back on the straight narrow in terms of food so that apart be few week process but Not Too bad when you're training hard so We'll be watching the cookies and stuff like that Not Too many peanut EMINEM's anymore And Yeah just Enjoying in a less liberal fashion so cool. Well hope you guys are holding up well and for those are still stuck inside. Hope you have a great time out on the road this next week so you deserve deserve To get back out there talked to y'all San. Well that was Larry War Bass there with his weekly dispatch from lockdown and he mentioned the film there that we have been working on for quite some time and so we wrote which is a documentary. Fourteen minutes long a- by Larry and CONARD DON's no-go tour which they called it when they they're not Akwa blue went bust during the two thousand eighteen season just before the tour of Britain and the response that was just take off on their own adventure and Well they returned with footage which has never been seen before on. We've we've made into a documentary with some interviews with the two of them as well and that's going to be released exclusively for the moment for friends of the podcast. The first time we've ever offered friends podcast Video and they'll unfriendly castle. Be Able to watch it for a month and from. May the eleventh which is next Monday and that will cause with three of our. Jiro am if you sign up as a friend for the next month after that you'll be able to watch it if you're already a friend of podcast you'll be able to watch it. You'll get instructions about how to watch 'em but yes for Friends of podcast we'll be. We'll be virtually flying back from flying from Hungary to Sisley that day so we can virtually what's on the virtual plane we can. We can well. Let's just remind listeners? How this actually came about because if you recall. The Aqua Blue Team was supposed to be riding the tour of Britain. One I N. We'd also done to keep an audio diary from the tour Britain. And of course the team went up before the race and So when and Larry set off on their bike packing adventure we awesome to keep an audio diary. Anyway which was released four friends of the podcast and once the Jiro. Once our year is over we will put the episode on our regular feet so It will be a bit of a companion piece to the failed so everyone will get a chance to listen to the original Audio story of their journey and while the film will be out as you say Richard on Monday for Fringe. The podcast and they'll be able to watch it for a month and anybody signs up over the next month will also be able to watch it. So if you find see Forty minutes of escapism. In the OPS. And and you know following the two of them on their adventure as well moment in particular watch it with a certain amount of nostalgia fan you know looking forward to being able to explore again in the not too distant future well listen. We've got lots to look forward to our. Jiro starting in Budapest on Saturday. And I mean stay tuned bid nightly episodes for the twenty one days of our Jiro Norris days for us now a better. Get cracking on Goulash. We're GONNA play with Francois Thomas Song looking ahead to urge Eero and but before we do a few. Thanks to friends of the PODCAST. Thank you very much indeed. To Fill Chino Mark Wilder David Tomlinson Cova Kofsky Lars. Thomas Holter Mark Florence Brad. Duff Lucy Holden Greg Low Hector Heathcote and James Bishop and a big thank you to pull Baba Antonio note you and Lawson Kirin Finnegan. Toby Hopkins John. Ellis William Nikko. Kevin Mix George Sandal and Keith Robertson. And a big thank you as well to Jacob Matthews. John Locke Christopher Murray David Gilchrist. Richard Watt Pizza. Fry Bryn wilding Keith. Anguka Kevin Baxter guys This is to Mizzou and looked down more. Probably look for long It's a week before we get locked out in France normally. Anyway I wanted to know they're all most of you. 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2020 Milan-San Remo

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2020 Milan-San Remo

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Are let's jump into What what what is just an interesting milan-san Ary Mommy. This is look I did that by a bunch of times. It's long. It's obvious. You know this one's just completely different and went from what did I write down here? From March twenty first when we were originally going to cover this race to August eighth. George I mean this was one of your one of your babies. But I, mean March twenty first in Europe is is I mean we've seen images and footage from the past where it's snowing cold wet today the exact opposite temps push in the nineties they had to completely alter the route they could not go typically they go Milan to Genoa and then just roll down the coast all of these coastal towns. This is peak tourism season in. On. The Med and they all said, no, you're not coming through our town and shutting down the roads and hurting tourism ed to completely alter the route. This was a milan-san remo that we've never seen before three hundred and five by the way. That's a hundred, eighty, nine miles. So if you in the role massive challenge, one of these dudes they're almost halfway there about that we're tweaking the route is as close as last week I mean. Just. In the last few days, they were still checking tweaks Ju just yesterday something that yet another tweet went from two, ninety, nine to three, zero five. So maybe another downside yen I don't think. So it's still includes the iconic moments that you press to the PLO gio and obviously factored into the to the race was won today incredible win by Wild Bernard by the way our boss Johan Bruyneel predicted that didn't you who who predicted while? While George you big. Girls night. Yeah, and your plans didn't do very well today I picked Mario Cipollini make a pick pick. Pick CHIPO. He didn't even make it to the start which. Just. I don't know I meant you. You mentioned you mentioned you. I'm not giving you a hard time. What years did you race in remote without actually thinking about that we were getting ready for this show? I'm sure he did it I'm sure we did it together. With a year exactly. Yeah I don't. I. Don't remember anything. So I I don't remember that it was. I always loved the idea of it for you know for me, it was a great look. It's a three hundred kilometer rates. So it's a great even if you're not factoring into the race or potentially winning, it's a great training day. Out and ride three hundred kilometers, and so it's It's just it was always so funny to me. It you know as a as a somebody who considers themself a climber. You'd get to the oppressor of the PLO joe, which if you just went out and wrote it, you would think wait a second. This chicken shit climb is gonNA decide one of the monuments and cycling. They are so easy I mean what on correct me if I'm wrong, we're talking four five percent maybe the ask something like that. But after three hundred K. especially today with the heat. They feel like they're fourteen or fifteen percent. It just makes all the difference in the world after that much time on the bike by the way to and. You don't even consider going into the small chain ring when you hit it. After two hundred and eighty kilometers small training right away with the one thing that a lot of in remote is one of the hardest of monuments to win. But one of the easiest defendants why is that because you get sucked along there isn't Major obstacles in the first two, hundred, fifty kilometers of the race. So someone's getting going there just for training. It's a great way to get three hundred kilometers. Yep You know the other thing just to touch on which I thought was pretty interesting was They had they've limited the teams to six riders per team. That's WHO's been a lot of talk of course with the tour. In our day was nine riders per team a couple of years ago brought down to eight, which to me really changes the dynamic of bike race imagine doing it was six I mean just. Yeah I mean, this is this is something I wanted to show because. It was decided also at the last moment. Nowadays one day races over at seven writers, grant tours over they'd riders. and. The just for the pure sake of being able to invite more teams. Are Has the owner of the Lhasa Lehman Jiro. They decided that they would do six riders which you know I don't know if that's even more seen in the rules obviously, they have to get an approved by UCI, but I have called around the teams are not even consulted the themes didn't agree. I. Think it changed the dynamic of the race for sure No obviously the heat but the fact that was only six writers. Makes it makes it more much more difficult for for decontrol although we had. No, we had the same outcome is always. you know one of those things that is basically imposed upon riders indeed without consulting without. Without asking their opinion you know I I'm shocked I'm shocked at the sport of sites I'm sure would think to do that by the way I just looked I just checked. A couple of folks is Straw files a little quiz for for my friends on the other end of the zoom, but also free all at home. Take a guess at total vert. This is not milan-san. Remo is a mountainous race. It's not necessarily that hard. It's just long ticket guests at the total vert for the day. Don't look what are you looking at going I'm not I'm not I'm looking to the wall. I know I heard somewhere with eight hundred meters more. Than Usual? So. That's already cheating again, you're. Fifteen sixteen hundred. Meter native meters meters so I'm GonNa. Go George our charges eight thousand feet though three thousand meters. Here's here's the answer and I'll and I'll give it in feet and meters that the answer is nine thousand feet. So call it two, thousand, seven, hundred meters. When you when you ride that much vert whether you're feeling it at the time or not an and you you hit the Poggioli at three hundred. K.. It's GonNa you're gonNA feel like a Pentagon. Why I think I, think the big difference compared to other other Sunday most less that you know that was obviously at the budget was basically the only guy who And the lack of response nobody everybody was already I think that was smaller than usual. And it looked like there was no everybody was just happy to be there nobody side. and. Knock was the only one who could? Yell I. He was there abrupt, and then he came back. It's so the heat and obviously I think also learn the difference with the you know. So many features of vertical climbing could see on this ups sign that we're not even going arden guys were getting booked everywhere. You know well, they could point you aren't you on I thought about that too. Also, it's hard to discount the fact that when you don't do the calvert that you don't do the capital Malet, those are incredibly stressful clients they come on the coast super wind twisty when we were watching the race with seventy eight ago doing a longer climb but there's no stress there is right but the the meters are. Getting more and more it's up on the legs as we're watching it of it almost looked like an easy race although like you said, the outcome wouldn't have changed I don't believe even with doing Bertrand Melody the heat is what made the difference at the time these guys got the suppressed and Joe like only the best guys were able to actually do anything. Well just take. We have to spend just a minute about Julian Allah fully we talk about him a lot obviously last tour. He just surprised day after day. You know he gets a flat tire rear flat Twenty artem no ten kilometers ago thirty to go. So call it take oppressor I mean. Folks that is in they are going probably sixty k. an hour thirty, five miles an hour for him. Of course, he had a teammate with him and came up to the cars but. I mean, I'm thinking there's no way he can find his way back the effort that it requires them to get back through the field. You you have to imagine you're probably gonNA. Catch whatever's left of the Peleton at the bottom of the oppressor. for this guy to to make it back, make it back to the Peleton and then be the one who attacks on the pogo. Let me tell you something. He he is. I was. Uber impressive this kid is He's just a total fucking bad ass and the other thing. that. We may not think about as fans is he he did a bike change which to me is. Is, obviously, the fastest way they do it now, but I always hated my spare bike it it just it. You can set it up the same. You can get the dimensions the same it's never the same. So for him to be on bike number two, and then you know to do all of that. It just makes it that much more impressive Coursey he wins by our loses by just a hair but. It. Would George tell me about these this whole and again for the fan at home like there's no more wheel changes with the disc brakes and there's no. It's not necessarily the classic style quick release. They have to change. Well I would I would. I would guess that there are certain situations where they'll call. It's this has got to be a by chance. No matter what. But obviously, if it's one hundred, fifty eight ago, and it's pretty common the Palestine, you'd probably just change the wheel which is really depends on the situation you're at during the race but I mean, like you just said, Wipe Alex lead did when he flighted, they go to suppress side said seeing the douches no seeing the juicers percents no way he's coming back the fact that he came back and made his way up you watch him make his way through the. The suppressor Kinda enter this presser in about twenty wheel did nothing to suppress just recovered the whole time and was able to attack anybody on the pos you I mean he was A. Far and above beyond the strongest race. you did you have more thoughts on that Johan and I'm going GonNa ask you something about art go ahead? No no no, I mean I think. The only thing what I would say about debates that actually. You know not a lot of people were having him as one of the favorites because we haven't seen anything yet from this year that kind of wanted to direction I. think that's the big difference compared to a normal non-south mobility have a bunch of preparation racist. Release and getting them out of the Arctic just before. So you Kinda know who's in shape. and. Philippe obviously he had bad luck and stunning Bianchi yet slats on. koshen moments. But you know we didn't see the offer of last year yet. So the me let's surprise to see him there and to actually be the only one who could do that unbelievable Denver on the Joe. One more point on the despair bike issues now that you can't you really cannot change the wheels when so close to finish. I would venture to guess that these guys were spending a lot more time on their spare. Everybody's perfect as indeed we didn't. We never did that in our day because we can change the will allow easier So fair vice were quite as important although you bail out of the ditch, your spare bike I know that it was a big issue with our team but most guys jump on the spirit bike is a little bit off I. Guess now especially, the top guys there's buyer bikes are about his perfect big litzka point point. jv What were you going to ask Yeah I? Want to know I mean Johan you picked wildfire. He's a young guy when he's he's like twenty five we have we haven't gotten most of us haven't gotten a good look at this guy yet unless you follow cycle cross, you've been in, you know what he's. All about and we saw him have that horrific knee injury in the time trial last year in the Tour de France that was horrific. So tell us more about him and you know look yeah, he's. He's I had some some information that is I strain or shared. In the Belgian media I mean, he's incredible. Apple is at this point sixty, seventy, six years. which is you know I mean, it's it's it's a very good way to classic writer. But apparently from from from what I've heard is that he's keeping up with the guy of GIAMBI's mind the CGU discuss background from our training. he's definitely on the to the BROWNS team also. I think this guy is amazing. You know what? I mean one of the three times world champion. Sacrifice. So already to be world champion anything, you have to be really good athlete. Showed that. Two years ago he was already on i Lebanon Jackson started for the first time to be in the big races of the professionals last year with Jim Movies Map. That's not forget you WANNA. Stage in the tour before. he's Belgian champion time trial, which is also, you know he's very, very complete adults. I think the only thing for the moment that's not a we don't know yet is the high mountains, but you know racist like. On the edge. Gold Race. That kind of thing that's that's definitely within his reach might what am I hearing our Johann? Are you? What am I hearing here are you or? Are you trying to tell us that he could be groomed to be a grand tour guy are you just saying it's impressive that he can hang with the his teammates in the mount well, I mean you know the tour Guy I think it's Definitely doesn't have to build gates. and He's already he was already complaining you're in the Sacramento season that you know if he. Is Very, much. Very, muscular. So for the High Mountains, I have my doubts although we. Would have thought you with Long Dotson Ramo That from Ross and. Time trialing is is also one of strong point. So You know. I don't Relieving out about while the art is. Just. Pointed out the obvious. Not. So obvious how efficient is this guy? In Alabama you saw I don't know because caught with about. Fifty K. to go the top of the mountain is like you said, he's seventy six he had averaged two hundred watts after two, hundred, fifty kilometers. What does that mean? That means I just floats around the L. Todd barely even peddling can save energy better than anybody and if you watched him before the PLO, Joe, he was at the back of the group. Before the Joe and Does mean to super confident. Position. With the best and does not stress out on the distress with situations still makes it to the front of the group at the last possible moment saving every bit of energy that he can. In it if in case you all didn't notice I'm not where I usually sit I'm in Mexico. Can, you see that but so I was I couldn't find the race and so I was I was like I felt like such a creeper. I was like digging around on the Internet like I have to watch this race because we're gonNA do this show. I found a feed with some British commentators in in they just said up in A. Day done for wealth van heart with when it exactly. At the point you just referenced George they, were like Oh. It looks to be suffering. Long Day see you later and it was I mean that just takes total and complete confidence to say I'm GonNa. You, know I'm GonNa Chill here and then and then and then move up when I need to. You know it's. It's probably also worth noting because we talked about his wild win arts crash which. was terrible to see obviously and there were a lot of people that thought his career would never be the same. He just proved or disproved them today it involved a barrier We'd be remiss if we didn't talk about Fabio Jacobson's crash the other day, which also obviously involved for those who didn't see it you may not want to see it was the most horrific crash I've. Ever. Seen in a bike race but involved barriers but no, we don't need to get I know J. B. loves loves loves loves talking about barriers he's convinced he's going to he's going to redesign the bike race barrier but I think most importantly we wish our best by all accounts he's he induced a coma have some surgeries apparently he's now out and doing better and responding but man I have never seen a crash like that. It was. Yeah. It was like it was like like it was out of Hollywood. It was just awful why I think you know we've we've seen a lot of these incidents before you know there is a little video on on the Internet comparing. Saigon, and capital into tour years ago I, guess when when Segawa made cabin exactly the same Rach. I think he had a difference is that the consequences are so much more severe? You know there's been a lot of people who have crucified. Gruner Bagan immediately called him all kinds of things which you know. I think that's a bit at seven been over the top. Sprinters, obviously, the first of all, I think sprinters that Kelly. Crazy. They you know. They have no fear that get in there. I mean this this particular finish, your goal of in Stage one is said recurring stage. It's slightly downhill. Eighty eighty plus kilometers our. You know which actually is basically. Just waiting for a disaster, I think the big the big problem here was the state of barriers. you know if you see Yaacob. It's not Jacobson violates Jacobson's Pablo Jakobsen. Yeah that too. Yeah. Yeah. That too. And he's not a panic. Okay. Now but but no if you see, you mean these barriers were anything but what they had to be they were. Don't. That's to each other and it's not normal that a barrier just flies into the air and then the listen panel goes flying there and causes the crash many other. Underwriter. So you know obviously Luna Vega made a mistake. And you know he was he was a rocky disqualified maybe he's GonNa get another. No. I think the big blame year is is the organizer and even more so. The people who have validated discourse and approved the barriers and that's UCI. And I spoke to. I spoke to Johnny. Buna yesterday was now the president of the the set the the riders new. Riders Union and Johnny has been criticized the lots a note saying that they don't do anything. You know it's not always as it seems and he told me they've been asking for years to improve this procedure within the that you know. An ex professional is a point that goes to the races. Just before the race in the in the lead up to the race. But also the day of the race has the power to make modifications and and one of the first things that should be done i. think would be you know the unify and harmonize the the the model of the barriers that should use a bike race. Life, George if you saw the article of Robbie McEwen who also awaited and said, he wrote a few years ago he wrote the suggestion about a certain type of barrier that should be used. and. I think it should be should be. Or for the organizers, no. If you want to organize a world to race, then you have to have means to. Safeguard the security of the writers you know and. I know from back in the days how hard it was. To get a license approach license or a word to license as a T. And doesn't seem like for the organizers. It's the same standards. So in my opinion. The responsible end. The big responsible here is the UCLA for quences scratch. Your on I I agree with you one hundred percent like you said, those barricades should not have fallen apart had at the L. held up. Bobbio would have gone into the Peleton of yes. It would have been a very dramatic crash. I would guess much different outcome the not only that. It you know it's GonNa. Be a feels sprint. Why a you don't it doesn't have to be is should not be a downhill. Never in any circumstance be downhill spoke. You know the chances of it being a full group coming into the finish. They should not. They should not allow downhill sprints either. Fifty you said a, that's fifty miles an hour. His. I mean when we were field sprinted thirty, five, forty, I was scared to death imagined fifty. That is yeah. That's I. Didn't know it Yawn but you said it sounds like it's A. it's a it's a traditional call it traditional stage one for the tour Poland how'd you know the? That's been complaints about about riders. The problem is that the riders unions. Nowadays. Has No power. They did just laugh at away same with the Demons Union. I checked yesterday actually speed see So CPA, is the the. conceited. Officer not associated or something like that associated pro cycles we believe you. Where their headquarters. Are. In Agla. UCI So you know listen listen it's not it's not in the system's not right we are. We are not gonNA waste any more time talking about this because we have talked about it too many times if the writers and again and I want to get back to milan-san remo just like but if the riders cannot figure out a way to have a true seat at the table will then this is bullshit we don't need to talk about I mean it is all about the powers that be and they are not interested in listening to the to the athletes, the stars of the show the the most important people and so but you know this this. They just haven't nobody's anyways I. I've talked about this too much in my life I'm I'm done talking about it. I am I think it's important to point out that gruner vegans has been on the receiving end of a crash like this George has been on the receiving end of a similar crash. going into the barriers like that and I I think it'd be interesting to hear Georgia's take on what that does to you as a sprinter to have such a dramatic crash i. mean like you said, you're gonNA billions done this happened to him before not as severe as David obviously he's still in. His game and look. He made a mistake. No doubt but. Closing, the door on the barricades that's ingrained in sprinters they're gonNA always start leaning towards the barricades because it's up to the other person to go by either even if it's half the hesitate for one millisecond to decide whether or not that's enough room the person drifts in over is done. What needed to do is like that's between the difference between winning and losing. He did it too much. This time definitely should have been suspended but I mean watch any spread in the world and they're drifting that way to one side of the barrier. The other depends on which way the wind. I tell you it's an and fortunately it looks like Is GonNa make a recovery but boy, if you think about had had he not and imagine the grief that that. You know look they're both Dutch. I'm sure there Johan. I don't know their personal relationship but you know they're obviously rivals and racing at the tip of the spear. Boy If you imagine live with that I mean it was it was it would be i. I don't think you could. Ended their. Short. List, plus plus from what I hear is that Guna Bagan does not have the reputation of being being like dirty sprinter aquatic he's he's not. He's not a worker apparently. He's not like I was. All the with all the chatter online from the general public, which is probably annoying to cyclist themselves is it's like what's the appropriate? Reprimand for grew Nevada. Just decode from that one race and we move on. We have I. Think we have to look at the at the UCLA rules. Here, we're going to see if they're. You know UCI actually for seat something. By the IT does, yeah, I've seen I've seen it before, but I've seen a worst George will you remember? All race it was bailable. And Darryl. You, remember incidents in the tour of Turkey. where? I that. Yes. Yeah. So that was you cook the Guy by the Jersey and he basically true him over the barrier in. The same thing happened in two, thousand, six tour tour. In the lead. GonNa win the race overall and what's his name Schumacher quacks me out to the right. was fifty meters ago did you see us? It was fine because he was trying to dodge of fans Boehner something but the rules are just super consistent. That's the problem. We don't know what's going to happen because there is no mine in the fan know what's going to happen here is I'm sure I'm sure. Is GonNA shift all the blame on GRUNDTVIG I am one hundred per seattle. Because they know they know that that's a way for them to helps to keep not being protected. So since it's been so so so much in the media I'm pretty sure he's GonNa get a severe sanction. it's it's going to be political decision basically to stay the save their face you know but As, you say, George, this disbarred of sprints. GRUNDTVIG and made a mistake for sure. I mean I. Don't know saw his interview yesterday I mean the guy's destroy destroy semi. I think Yeah I. Don't know if he's I mean he's not gonna even if they suspend them for one or two months doesn't matter I don't think he's GonNa Racist for two. Months. So So we'll see we'll see. But it's definitely something that should be. Looked at the safety of the riders, the barriers, of course that means that system needs to change its. On scene what we haven't seen guys maybe it's just because I have. Followed the the post race remarks what are the other riders saying that actually crash the other writers our there that saw that have been part of these sprints. It so many times I mean I know I spoke with Kevin he said that was crazy super scary like. He didn't actually you know point. One, hundred percent of course, the blame grundig no doubt and say this guy should never raise by again I. don't think they're thinking that. No, I mean any any sprinter any sprinter any sprinter will definitely not say. GRUNDTVIG in has to, be banned four. So much. No, they know it's part of the game now you know now. Once, you're once you're on this side of the of the. The other side of the barrier you know so. Does not literally but so. I don't know I don't know but you know and I haven't seen a lot of another of cyclists speaking up and there you go again to you know the the recurring. Fear factor you know everybody's always afraid to voice their opinion. You know everybody from within cycling You know some people have reacted emotionally in the first hours after the crash but then you know when everything calms down, think that most people from inside cycling They know what? The situation like that. Represents, and That the the here, the main thing is that it's not. It's not it's not gooby is not. The big responsible I mean, he's responsible for the crash is the big responsible of the consequences Well. Time will tell you know I. Think we can. We can. We're GonNa have these discussions forever. Structured the way that it is but yeah, time will tell I mean you can even see it if you if you've noticed in your background so soon as I shut up. You, know Johan, you can speak to it. So we can see a close view is you can see the the wooden sign `age barriers the cover those legs in a crash in in with Fabio, just just the metal legs were sticking out from the barriers and you can see it in Johann photo where they've got like. Bored to prevent that from happening. Well no I, think it should. There should be a standard for every big race I mean for every race basically the last three, four, hundred meters, which is where these kinds of things happen. Any organizers has to dear to the standards of this is the official approved. The safest barriers there is. And then you know then then it's up to the riders you know. But this these barriers were dickens was hardness. We talk about we if we had like the top ten topics ever on the move barriers. Up there is like top three I. Mean we do. We actually spend a lot of time talking about barriers. I mean, unfortunately, there's never any good stories We've never been like man, those were some amazing barriers. That right but. Let's let's get those jump back before we wrap this bad boy up jump back to 'cause I wanNA I wanNA keep talking about sprinting. But I as I watched the motion instant replay of the sprint between Watson Art in Julian Allah, Philippe Struck and I want you guys to go back and watch you probably noticed it yourself. But go y'all go back and watch in the listener viewer go watch look at the different style you have obviously both guys just total bad asses Brenton for a chance to win a monument. Take a look at Olof leaps bike and look at while run arts bike his bike does it moves a little I mean if al for straightforward yeah. He he was moved I was watching and I'm down here in Kabul and there was a fellow here an impediment helping us and he doesn't know anything about bikers and I said I said look at look at the difference I mean. It was twenty five percent less is is where I would put it in his which means his bike is going forward. And and I'm not being critical of obviously style, but they were just drastically different was slew. Aggressive go back even before the sprint I mean this thing about the downhill Alex sleep at five seconds on. Wow. The top down on you guys all know this downhill really well, like five seconds is a long way I didn't think he'd come back for you saw L. Three was all over the bike like. Getting really close to the barricades while it was just basically like a like a heat seeking missile like he was not moving his body at all super smooth he closed that gap within two. I was blown away by that just as much. That was the sprint not especially especially coming back in the downhill Allah Philippe meaning he's a he's a good. He's really good on the downhill and he he takes risks. Crazy. I mean the. The effort it took for of anarchy. No Sola first of all to get dropped festival bridge up to date on the Joe get dropped a little bit stay there. Then do the effort to come back and then basically also let's not forget the last longer. Alpha was on the wheel it didn't they single anymore so Know. Not. Really strong. You'll. Heartland. Honestly doesn't allow thirty go might be any wins Lance Yawn. I just stop it with your Belgian. Up this. Are. You serious matches Your Yawn You are called it as wrong knowing called it yesterday that was GonNa win. He iwon it's over not if if. If. If. Okay. It's not no there's no. You know. I wound George on this. I think it took a lot of effort in and stress to get back in there at any barely lost but. If anybody in on a very serious note of anybody knows Mario Cipollini will you just let him know that I'm super fucking pissed he didn't even make the START I picked him to win. He doesn't even make the start. What? Do you follow him on on Instagram. yoked? Yeah. He must be out. I think he was busy doing push ups and working on his ten. Guy The lion king I picked him to win. We should get. Him On the show that would be good. We can probably make that happen. He's he rides a lot with no shirt on and but he's the one guy who can get away with that. You don't do that much. Do you go out and? Also with no shirt on, no one wants to see this batting I i. think in your i San Remo you got to fight with Barry Lane I remember correctly listen we would need a long podcast talk about me getting in fights with people I I was that was a very regular occurrence but that first milan-san remo that he will he got remember he got a pissed at the car stopped right pests eventually took his fucking biking through it through the back windshield of the car I was like I was. I was like Holy Shit. Is Crazy man like this fucker just do a bike do the back windshield of a car. That's one of my favorite pictures and all cycling. Dude, that's also one of the. Cheap was also the only guy who can get away with. We'll talk about I mean not to digress, but talking about how crazy sprinters are in that particular that particular day the day saw the car stop twenty meters from the lion never like fuck that I'm sprinting full gassing this lineup I hit it they love it but I want to win this race. Motors mentality most people would call that a different words crazy but. We won't get into that. Lino. Our Boys. So we got this is Let's wrap it up. This is coverage One of the five monuments love the you'll. Honda's told drop that on us today by George didn't even know we were doing a coverage certain was so we're really glad he made I had no idea. He'd he's Let's give a little love to a third place Mike. Matthews for getting third-placed lives right down the road and Monica got left sort of France a big deal and then Saigon enforced. So I think all favorites are now working their way into this crazy condense season. George you want you want to know you got a leave you with this. All right I got good news and I got bad for you ready. What do you want first? I want the bad news. Well, the bad news for you is that I i. I am going GonNa, kick your ass when we raising. The good news is I'm down here in Kabul live my best life and I haven't touched a bike in a long time. So I hope you're making up lost ground a while I'm down here just just. Chilling. All right I'm coming for Ya. Got Another month. I'M NOT GONNA. I'M NOT GONNA. Let Lance go without pointing out that he vacations with his dog we're. I don't know where the dog is toby toby. Toby boy it was a dog. Yeah. When we were early before we hit lot hit record the dog was making a cameo by whereas Anna's bringing jobs. This dog is the coolest dog ever is so cool I toby. People once he talks. Boy Look at this. He's so cool. What what is that? Is that elaborate doodle now that that we decided. To to blends wasn't enough a labrador to this is a CAV APU SEAN so three. Was a King Cavalier. King, Cavalier Mini Poodle, and A. Bijon Is Cycle. CAPUCHIN CANEPA on yeah he's awesome. Any speak Spanish. So he gets up he does well down here. Has Been Fun and wait wait I'm sorry. Last last lane yawns. What is the next monument? I don't know shit about it's And that's next weekend. That's next week. Okay. We'll do it. I love that race as a beautiful part that's a hard bike race. So we should also very different circumstances. You don't sound Ramo into spring normally Lombardi I in the in the fall. Always know cold dusty know. Sometimes rain. Now, it's going to be hauled on and it's a race that we haven't covered on the move before we have been covering in. It's and it's another Italian classic that is contested on a Saturday. No race on Sunday. Okay so do you next weekend?

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52: Our Giro stage 7: Lion King part 1

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52: Our Giro stage 7: Lion King part 1

"I remember Ed the Pink Jersey the first time you've held elitist at one of the three grand tools. He's been looking very good over the first few days of the year and really confirmed that today with with a fantastic attack It's been a pretty mind blowing stage and a pretty mind blowing day for me. I'm Laura Bernie and Daniel free. Hello wise if in mind blowing day is being fraught with logistical issues. And the fact I haven't eaten for twenty four hours with us to the real number of the macho us the real crooks monster isn't it you haven't eaten when you say it'd be mind blowing. I mean he's been fairly fairly mundane most standards on the from the father. You haven't had your four enormous meals. Where alway well? We're in the queue to get on the bus which is going across. The Strait of missing remember lost the the bus the bus across the Strait of Messina team. But because we're in a big Q surrounded by team vehicles. We're about to get on the boat remember last year. We even talked about the bridge. That was never built Over the straighten Messina still not been built a year later. You are listening to this. Podcast at our did retire brought to you by. I woke up flexible loans for small businesses. Today we add in Prijedor marriage. Says you say we're well? We're in prior a modern now. Richard that at the start of the episode laws clip from a couple of years ago when Daniel and I were in the queue to get on the ferry from Sicily across to the mainland felt like a regular on that ferry. We spent hours waiting to get on board. I think commented the second time round run ran a lot more smoothly than the first and I reckon that by about twenty twenty. Five the as organizers. Got that down to a tae that crossing well hopefully napalm under. If you remember a couple of years ago we talked about this. What's become a national joke in Italy about the bridge that's never been built I don't know where where the plans are. The moment as far as connecting the mainland with Sicily and with the bridge I think it's been shelved definitively but yeah that's something Italians A very familiar with that story. Well listen in the course of the next two episodes we're building. Our own bridge aren't between the two sides of married Cipollini in a way we're looking at the great Italian sprinter. The record holder for stage wins at the GPO the Talia You know really. Larger THAN LIFE FLAMBOYANT CHARISMATIC CHARACTER. An entertainer really wasn't he? Monitored chip leany his pump which was in the nineteen ninety s and early two thousands. He's a bit like a dazzling flair Sean brightly and obscured everything else for a while and he was a bit like another charismatic cyclists who emerged reemerged in one thousand nine hundred and nine and I think will draw some parallels between Meyer CIPOLLINI and Lance Armstrong over the course of these next two episodes because Armstrong. There is a dark side at two CIPOLLINI. But we're going to really look at his career chronologically the shades darker as years have gone on. And we'RE GONNA start off in this episode looking at the the early years of Cipollini up to his pump 'em when he was the dominant sprinter in world cycling but more than that the the biggest personality in world cycling as well and somebody who I think probably left a very strong impression on the three of us given the time when we were all getting into following so much so rich. I've dressed up as CIPOLLINI today. I don't know if you've noticed. I forgot to mention that I mean. Obviously the Carl's and but also the Under the teeth Daniel and blinded here in my office after Miami Sunglasses on. But you've got the cycle casquette on your head perched on top of your Your head the rippling packs that you can see. Yeah March got under my jump so I can't see your your torso which is fortunate nor yours Lionel but you're definitely definitely reminiscent pinger. Hustle marriage to the the cycle years of marriage. Cipollini am cycle that coffee machine. Yes why I know because the not certainly something that will get into anyway All you need Daniel there. Some preko sunglasses. Remember the on trademark. What are we gonNA talk about that? It's not me I think. Well someone is. We're going to hear from lots of people in these two episodes I including rivals and and and others who raced with Cipollini am but before we get onto Mario M Super Mario the Lion King. Can you tell US Lionel The tail of the top candidate rich stage seven of Algiere from tro pay a prior a two hundred eleven kilometers. Or they have about a lovely right up. The coast should be a flat. But there is a hill in the middle and naturally Race Director Daniele Freer. Cini has sent our Jira on the. Gt Cycling Platform over that Hill. So the flattest of flack days. We've got quite a bit of climbing to do Daniel any this. Well I can. I can imagine Mario Cipollini your action to my racer And I think already stressed this. I came under great pressure from dark forces behind behind our Jira to include as many clients as possible specifically for the GT segments untold on computers talking digital cycling and flat stage a very boring and but it did remind me does remind boring. They're not they're obviously. It made stage with been made me wonder what Meyer Cipollini's reaction to this would have been and CIPOLLINI. I remember there was one. Jira presentation nine hundred ninety seven. He attended as always. He was probably an zebra print suit or something and when the Jira was unveiled and he was absolutely a gas and he said it looks like a tour of Jira of Italy Ski Resorts. We won't need An accreditation we'll need to ski pass Well it's already been established fun of the mountains. He's already been established a weekend. I'm writing the into Jira targeting the Sierra classification by doing approximately half of the the distance anyway Priam modest does give the race director of the Jiro a few options. Do you remember in Two Thousand Sixteen Richard when you'll see one a punchy finish and We came out of the press room looking for the press buffet for some lunch. And we saw colleague Alice Steph Fotheringham and we asked him and he waved his on very kind of vaguely in the direction of nowhere and we couldn't find what turned out to be just press buffet of the Jira and we ended up having just a piece or an illegal pizzeria. The piece was perfectly nice but we it was very nice and then a couple of years after that Daniel. We were that when Sam Bennett won his first grand tour stage and in the evening we had an excellent meal with Chiro. And the guys from what was that. That was yes in a place called scholar just up the coast anyway. Let's cross over to the core napalm before we do before we do. I should just stress as well. The reason I took a step prior modding Jira was and we had a cracking a belting hotel booked a place called Castelo the Remain on the way to Castroville. Larry which was going to be this. The start time for the following stage also thought town in our year of the following stage. But you were going to be staying in a tree house in the middle of a vineyard and I would have paid good money to see that. Well let's hope. Let's hope that we get to do that later. On in the air or in future years I'd no problem. We're sleeping in a tree house or Wendy House. Whatever whatever you want to lie on Sanyo any anyway. Let's cross over to the court and see how the Buffalo is getting on on the climb. They seven on our Chiro survive that Nah yesterday just about survived. I'm a tough one today. Again a coastal routes largely by the Nazi Count Prior Murray at the end. Show for Peter. Mcintosh who's being there like me. Certain as we'll up to the climb. Thank you Peter from Australia. Alex thinks so be as evening my morning. I'm a tough stage. Though I'm once again well grumbles in the Peleton restricted Daniele Free Branchini his his Co. On a sugary peg as we say in Scotland. You are listening to this. Podcast at our d'italia brought to you by Waka flexible loans built for small businesses. I W. O. C. A. DOT CO DOT k. a big effort to are title sponsors. I walk the award. Winning Finance Company that specializes in lending to small businesses. Finds it in two thousand eleven. I walk is I should more than one billion pints to companies ranging from startups to establish businesses. And I walked cam between one thousand two hundred and fifty thousand pounds by making quick and easy to apply for a loan and get quick decision. It can be more flexible option. Then approaching the big banks for more information on I walk go to I walk up. Dot Co. don't You k today? Then tomorrow on our JEETER. We'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. Mario Cipollini at the the light and shade of of CIPOLLINI and in today's episode going to be looking at as his early years up to his pump really am when he was the dominant sprinter in the world but Lila. Maybe you can take all the way. Back to the origins of Meyer Cipollini word. The Lion King Spring from well. Yeah the nicknames. The Lion King and Super Mario. They were to come much later. Just Super Mario. I mean he'd been brilliant computer games cycling wouldn't they clearly it'd be. He'd have been leading out year. I want archery Tae Mario Laming True Mary. Cipollini was born on March twenty second nineteen sixty seven in Luca. His brother Chat today was Eight years older than him and was also a professional cyclist from nineteen. Seventy eight to nine hundred ninety. Mario was napalm borne. Did you know this? And I didn't I didn't until today and I I haven't found an explanation for it. I was born in Belfour in front. That's right yeah I was going to ask you about that but I thought that was lorry driver whether that had anything to do that. No probably not Ashley piece the piece it together. Well one of the mysteries anyway. Marriott was a junior world champion in the team. Time trial on the road in one thousand nine hundred five and he turned professional for the Dow Tongo team in one thousand nine hundred and nine and that was the only season. The seasons at the two brothers wrote together also on that team with the reigning world champion Maria phoned and a future jira winner Franco kilt. Yolly CIPOLLINI's I probably witness came all at once. The Gino Di Puglia in eight thousand nine hundred ninety one thousand three stages in a row and a month later he got his first jared Italia stage win at the first attempt or in the first year they took part in stage twelve in MIATA and in one thousand nine hundred followed with two stage win so he was off to a flyer in terms of winning. Sprint finishes Daniel but was always destined to be a professional rider. Did his brothers interesting in the sport make inevitable that he would follow in this in the wheel tracks so to speak. I think he would send say yes. Napalm Amsoil as you said Shehzad was a decent pro and when a few things but N- Jerusalem Melia was probably the biggest win but Mario used to go and watch chase at I says and Tele famous story about and they always used to go up the coast from where they live near. Luca onto the roof Manta Raymond. Watch Samra and CIPOLLINI's birthday often fell actually on some raimo and one year how Cipollini was maybe seven or eight and he was there with these Dodd Rivaldo and they watch the Tongo pass and Chattanooga Boston. Mario turned to his dad and said I promise. I will win milan-san Raymond Foye one day so the was all was already sort of planted at that point and by all accounts is pretty hyperactive kid. I'm allegedly age. Sixty case mums fear. Five hundred until your first spin around the family sort of plot. The family ranch in Sanju study comfortable. I don't think that did you think that's even plausible. That story as I said. Very very hyperactive. Some was the manager of the GIST team. Piero Piero only came out of the House one day and with a contract for his brother Chaser and he remembered that Mario such handful the the family tied into an olive tree with a rope to to stop moving plausible any well. That's possible but when he got aboard his when he goes bike he was. He was quite something He won I mean a staggering number of rice in the the majority of races took part in junior and even you know as he sort of got close to become a professional. I think in in the loss in his last year or two before it did become a professional Legend has it that I would say to other items in the Peleton while you win as much as you can now because my brother's coming and he's GonNa win everything and at that point. You know people weren't only talking about Cipollini as a sprinter. I mean you mentioned that heat. He had great pedigree as a junior in time. Charles and team time trials Use The world champion Jeannie world champion. So Yeah a bit of a bit of a phenomenon by all accounts. It's interesting Donna. Looking back at his early wins. Because I have in my mind's eye C. Cipollini as this kind of muscle by very imposing character with a quite impressive physique and of course Unmodern or a recent sprint. Who's been similar in in Luke's if nothing else is Marcel Kissel but actually am when I was looking out their respective Stotts kittles bigger than CIPOLLINI. Cipollini wasn't actually. That big emmy wasn't not heavy. He was toll and but he was actually quite lean on and in those early years he was quite gangly. The other thing they have in common is having both been very strong. Time trialists as younger writers before becoming sprinters. And I guess that they were similar. 'em Or kipling became Sim- similar in style. A kettle in in you know being good Going from the front and really taking on From quite a long way being a very strong sprinter an Hartman to get around once he was in front and when he did start He was regarded as just a very very talented young writer. But people had no real inkling. It would become the personality that he did. There was a bit of a bit of flourish about him but he he started when he stays in Jira very early Z. Kilda do so lesson he's GonNa figure and Yeah it was only sort of As the years went by Um when he moved on from del Tongo and he joined M. G. team and met Kettani That he really starts started to embrace whether this alleging the this lodge personality but the literature. Pauline best cheerleading bicycling any. You mentioned CIPOLLINI moving. On from del Tongo he did three years Tongo and then joined the Gbi. Mg team which the real mash up of Belgian and Italian cycling wasn't the team management was Was was Belgian but the heart of the team was Italian. And after finishing second to Djamolidine Abdujaparov Jatropha nineteen ninety-one Cipollini backed up with two victories. In back to back years ninety two and ninety three and this was when Cipollini was really establishing himself as one of the best sprinters in the world in ninety two he won four stages in the Jiro including the points Jersey. I went to the Front for the first time. Didn't actually win a stage in ninety two but that would soon come. Nineteen ninety-three was probably the first high profile controversy. I guess in the The finish of Alan Ramo in via Roma Daniel perhaps you can tell the story of what happened because Mary dress at won the race and Cipollini was part of the Peleton. That couldn't actually get over the finish line because it was a complete scrum in the Finnish. Streit by you told it napalm perfectly well. That's pretty much what happened there. Cipollini through his bike through the Rear Windscreen Albright's director Katerina Costello in a fit of Pique Yeah I I an authentic Italian casino and a big mess that you often get at the end of milan-san Raimo ninety-three as well Cipollini one as I for on stage and how the Yellow Jersey for three days and in ninety four you know the controversial moment. Stick in the mind you know. They came fairly thick and fast but in ninety four he won the opening stage of Pyrenees. And the following day walked. Wearing the leader's White Jersey was photographed. Smoking a cigarette as he was riding through the convoy of team. 'cause other incidents around that time he got fined for using a mobile phone in the bunch. Not The only rider to have done that. But you know when Cipollini does he was the first he hosted about quite recently the first right. It's make a mobile phone call mid race but that yeah he was seconded milan-san remo the racer he prized probably above all others. Certainly the one day ratio won bunch sprint behind Georgia full-on and the The year was really titled. For him by terrible. Crashes Walter which was held in the spring those days one of the early stages finished in Salamanca. And he's teammate. Another very good Italian Sprinter Adriana Baffi basically took him all the way across the road and stop Cipollini in the barriers and it was a crash really took its toll and wiped out. Most of the rest of the season for him in ninety four they. Cycling cast at our Data D'italia he supported by science sciences. Ford fueled by science. Thank you very much. Indeed to our longtime sponsors science and sports and don't forget you can still get twenty five percent off all your sciences sport products at Science Sport Dot Com with the code. 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Chitose going yeah media of course is of course as well. Listen from a white wine undo remember to drink responsibly. Am from a white wine to a man named white. Although as Mario Cipollini Colton block in his little joke and Matt White the Ni- sports director at Mitchelson Scott by a writer from Australia who went over to Italy to turn professional in the ninety s and lived in Luca. Wear Cipollini am has lived for a long time and so I got to know him quite well when he was setting on his career. And let's hear from Matt White Mario when his when I first tend professionally Always living in Tuscany in Lucon. That's Lucas Cipollini leaves it. Always seek him out quite regularly On the ball and has divvy training groups that are tag along to as well and he Obviously coming from a tiny never been to Italy and all of a sudden leaving their writing on Italian saint send the ninety first year and I did not understand how Italian rising sort of worked and people. I heard stuff that he was. He's around the show in the integrate pedal and that sort of stuff and I remember the first mountain style jawed. Bud Bay dropped off battling away halfway up. Thank you to call Cipollini. Possibly holding onto the lot of the police just always awesome waving away there and rolling away. Mario is holding onto the back of the law on the on the police moldable. I went screaming than we saw. Talked with the call on for us That's the first time I ever saw him in. The second time was on the start of mountainside in are being told. We want to change that. We needed to get people in bright's so I'd lined up in a neutral area Up near the Front Mariachi lay had taken the front row of the Of the rice in just he kind of mutual he put his hands out is a said To climbs not rising then we start a guy. Everyone could peers. Yelling out is the front of rice and detained. What what was he main and he said we will not right. The first day concert going steady. I said well why is that he said are as cold it and anyway sound little Being some little south Americans ripped out of the bunch. Communist-era Mario Mario chased him down and actually helmet popped him and And this still. I remember this. Call him out. But didn't I wonder what did an? Mri sprinted off for him coating on the head because there was no law television. Stop and I remember that they used to have a cheek. Lemay Jersey which used to be an intimate sprint halfway through the Diet and that was a separate Jersey just for that Spring and decide when the helicopter would come out of maybe five to ten minutes from fled intimated sprint and and a lot of the studies. You want to add to Rice in Toledo licotta that let mullets and token The television for the break or whatever onset on some of the site is now he reigns ruled. He ruled Italian rising on face. That was incredible. Another another one with Remember the wanted foresight is in the Tour de France and then he put out. I six or seven anyway. Got for Roy moved. I'd moved. Pices living Recovery Roy always writing the tours Was On July. Ten is the Tudor France. And so I guy for Rod Mornings come on what the offense so I was down near the Orissa and Owes writing South and go running the other direction. This go ahead no shirt on and DOC is anything. I'll go caused that. It was Mario. He had no should on roll the knicks out really high and he's hair was slicked Jalen it Glasses on it'll Looks across the ride that needs to call me black good As quite funny is the opposite of what and he he looks across shell black evaded. The to street is the full logo friends with him but yeah because trying with him. Not I in a lot of Gerard in We we knew each other. Even off the retard you'd save the GIO. Every year we the whites satellite show the buttoned-down about full bots with the with the big Chinatown as so as women. Now they suddenly broke the mold with them. Our show that it hit a lot of charisma and That that over taints and he's likely is just built around. Mug muggle did he deliver a while another man who saw Mary Cipollini. Close for many years with Graham Watson photographer who covered all of CIPOLLINI's career At the jury Talia and Has a story to tell. And let's hear one from graeme. Which kind of amplifies really what Matt wishing about how. Mario Cipollini his own rules. Most of the stories isn't it's overly about revenge cheaper dominated the race for so long It once he had a friend of mine. Go ahead and initially. You don't just by just by a you know a sandwiches you get it prepared the because we use the bakery shot by roll bread then you go to the Delicatessen and they will provide you with the tomatoes and also the the Mozzarella cheese in the ocean and made made for you while you wait you. Don't you don't go ahead. And by that night us in a cellophane wrapper so CIPOLLINI has one Italian portal. When Edna order the bread roll and when I say they hate him and he had to go ahead. Thirty five forty minutes out of the race and the same guy ordered the the tomatoes Mozzarella from the delicatessen. But someone else had come in the shop. Pick it up because advice was just going by. But that's largely what she did but definitely Nicer Tomato Mozzarella Samuel of Togo. But not me. And he was given it actually hurt. He stopped a plate of pastor once. He pre-ordered some pre ripple. And and there's even these these exaggerations whereby control the speed of the palace on just so that when they got to this village where where his pass was waiting. It was just the perfect time. Every story here gets more and more exaggerated elements of truth in it north shore about you but Talk of having a sandwich is making me hungry. You always hungry it. Didn't you don't need an excuse or a some kind of cute? This is true this is true. Ill ristorante Oh no. Okay if know if you're not if you're not hungry then you're anticipating hunger. Well is true Richard and one of the joys of traveling around the GOP's he's eating my way around it and discovered some dishes. I really would have dismissed just from a written description and today's recipe of the day is one of those Pasta Amoud. Ika which on. Paper doesn't sound terribly promising pastor withdrawing breadcrumbs fried in oil. It sounds like it's going to be pretty bland. Let's hear from food writer Felicity Clark. Also the author of the Book One more question for the road about pasta some Muka eastern reasonably new on asked us. I'm Moody Car. Because I have eaten it as a as a Prima Piazzi in was actually in. Calabria where not had it before and I was really taken with it but didn't know a great deal about it and it's not something when I was even googling recipes really wasn't coming up with much in in the UK it was mostly kind of American websites. And they they did all sorts of things with them so had she had to look up an Italian recipe and gas closer. I could say I did not day before you mentioned it but I didn't know what it was cooled. So it's a very so the classic Cina Provera Daesh born of necessity. Basically very popular down in Sicily and Calabria which have been sort quite Paul reaches. It's kind of dish that uses the things that you might have in the store cupboard at the end of the week when everything else will the fresh stuff. Run Out And it uses a Actually Maiden breadcrumbs and so so season breadcrumbs so you fry any open of sale bread or you can use fresh bread. If you happen to be you have fresh bread Speth Any Friday is in olive oil. A little bit of seasoning. And then you can use that rule sorts of things if you're feeling a bit Clocks sheet them to Stock Fish Sardines and the other wonderful seafood down there or packers they couple juices or you can agree to ask the dish toss Makassar and actually don't really need anything more if he sees them the oil and I which is something that you know is quite abundant found mass. You don't really need anything else quite often these days you get stuff. You've got garlic. He's got Visa quite popular on because I always have been hanging around You can add Chili. I've even seen quite Sicilian portraits and pine nuts raisins which is very typically Sicilians with Morrish combination. But really it's apple dish already. Et One. I think it comes together and I don't know maybe you'd have on the table me but then fifteen minute is widely delicious. I signed it. Because you think oh well pasture breadcrumbs carbon Cobb. Yeah I love it. I think she'd be thing if you've been Climbing in the south talion fantasy to the best. While I did use Chevy's I possibly was a little heavy on the is because as I said my doesn't anything from the say. So I made two batches of this and put all of the anchovies in half which possibly possibly upset the balance slightly but I did manage to balance it back out again with the with the know and with a little bit fresh Chili which just gave it a sort of a heat and and freshness but in terms of being able to assess it. I mean did it look. Appetizing mentioned carbon carbs. I mean it's it's a hard one to make. Look beautiful fell. I mean I suppose it does the patents on anew saying the beauty and the COB and I love of trickle Cobb playtime all about the page food so I didn't find that problem and she had made a lesser with the setting the photo. You sent me. Maybe you were a bit worried about Because it looks it looks beautiful A couple of things stood out for me. I think I I agree. That may be whether it be heavy with the anchovies and I think maybe he should've let them Dissolve into the oil before Utah State with the plastic. Say let in big chunks. I'd say he's fresh Chili Deji which looked Chrissy. But probably I probably use dry chillies guy for especially probably hadn't took But if it tasted good about charging obviously I'm touching but yeah I feel hungry. Line no am nice to get another flavor of your restaurant there. In what firt and cooking up Paul. These marvelous Italian dishes she and mccown visit at the moment. Shame the doors closed. Add home delivery. That's all knock. Sorry so all the time it gets to your in tooting. That's true on with Mario Cipollini. Indeed well from ninety five to nine thousand nine. He's really approaching the peak of his powers and racking up. Jiro on tour. Stage wins in nine hundred. Sixty one four zero stages again He was Italian national champion for the first and only time and that was the first year with the SACO team in ninety seventy wins five Jewish stages and shakes Gino Bartali. The league table of Jiro State winners. And this is when Mario Cipollini at a marketing tool it born really he's writing the CANANDAIGUA. Dial bike He wears yellow shorts. Go with the Yellow Jersey in the Tour de France. Which at the time was a an offense punishable by a series of small fines. But he kept doing it prior to that he'd worn the stars and stripes shorts of course to publicize the candidate bike and he's really becoming a marketing phenomenon. And things that you probably frown upon bit now. Such having a an image of Pamela Anderson painted by coming sort of obvious era. I guess pretty keeps racking up these Jewish state wins and by nineteen thousand nine. He's really leaving. Its mark on the Tour de France as well winning four stages in the row including at the time. The fastest road stage that year. The one thing that displeased the Tour de France organizers. I was that he would await put out before. The mountains never actually finished the tool in his career. But by the end of the Nineteenth Marriott Cipollini is a phenomenon really very small. Looping about fifty riders competing for the speak. Chris Boardman has made the streets but the time bonuses could well lose in the race laid as the finish approaches. Cipollini leads all the way to the line. Void CIPOLLINI is towing the best. Finish the live. You're never get by this man when he has such a clear shot at the finish line being challenged right by Sauber at gain Dabo beaten and right on the line. Coach elite is back right now. Cipollini oncoming. He's Tom Steals steals. Confess Oval put on the line. Cipollini makes two zero. He's coming over. Tibiletti shoulder-to-shoulder steals on the line. But I'm not so sure that judges were light. That Paul looked a little bit shakey. Tom Steels has been cold onto the podium by the race organization but almost at the same time. He takes the applause of the crowd. Here they referees are saying he has been disqualified from first place. I'm place to the back of the field for his dangerous sprinting. So in fact Cipollini is the stage Fanini now once more launching the missiles the finish as he waits until the last possible moment Cipollini remember. He's aiming now at a sixty nine year. Old Record Tilles gone at. What's happened is lost both these pedals at the same time and how he's kept up by the pride. I doubt. Nobody's giving a clearer now the jubilee. He's done eight four in a row for Mattio CIPOLLINI phenomen sunny off. The bike is becoming one. Wasn't he napalm In particular when he moved to psycho and they linked to Canon. Del There was some very smart people. In the MONCTON apartment candidate data really started to of leverage CIPOLLINI'S IMAGE. But he'd really particularly to embrace this image of himself as a sex symbol and coinciding coincidentally not with him getting married in. Nineteen ninety-three married to the The daughter of a famous Fulmer goalkeeper Fiorentina football goalkeeper and around that time he started very frequently referencing. Sex in interviews of well-trained nineteen ninety-three where he said an all Gaza only loss few seconds of victory last forever and that was that was often cited in future years. He also said once I'm Hermaphrodite I've got her on the brain between my legs the fill in the gaps. And Yeah he any opportunity rates talk about sex. He grabbed it with both hands. There was There was another occasion at the tiny ninety seven when He complained that everyone in the room. The journalists looked looked miserable and there was only a day to the end of the Juror and he said to them. You know you'll should cheer up when we get home after the Jiro. The second thing we do is put down our suitcases Inferring that the first thing and the ride is did was was something else. We need that did we. The Daniele explanation much got off. I I one I mean. I vividly remember the opening to the turn of Franz coverage one year when it it was all about cipollini against Djamolidine Abdujaparov from the result of a camera panning. The length of CIPOLLINI's sculpted body and it did seem to me at the time that part of that from tip. Lee's point if you was the contrast with with the Tashkent terror with AAJ appropriate. Was this kind of Dur. Mono-syllabic and Eastern European sprinter and Cipollini in setting himself apart from JAP seemed to go to the other extreme am. I don't know if that was part of that kind of act at the time or whether or not was just. Cipollini am finding his true self and expressing you know who he thought he was a big big part of it was an Cipollini playing to a receptive audience. And we all know that Battalions Lover Lover Now fights very sort of visual culture really unashamedly objectify women again. It's it might be coincidence. But nineteen ninety-four Silvia. Bellini became the Prime Minister for the first time the first is three terms in Italy and he was someone he was really celebrated and glorified in Italy for the way he objectified. Women Really You know went went through several marriages boasted about boasted about fares To be honest and Italy an even the Italian language objectivise women to the tune. Extend other languages done if I was referring to your wife rich and Italian out cool at the mall whereas you would just be more and you know this. Is Women do as well. They call each other. They use the definite article. They literally objectify each other. And you know everything is sexualize in Italy. Always talking to napalm the other day about cookbooks in Italy. This is some of the John John Dickie. Couple of days ago. To one of his books they leads. And how cookbooks in Italy particularly the seventies and eighties. They were very sort of erotic over. My Sophia Loren did a very famous cookbook in Italy. Where she was sort of you know she had a show unbuttoned and damage was called in the in the kitchen with love and it became the sensation Sold you know. I don't know whether it's millions of copies and then you know the famous quotes from her everything you see Iot Spaghetti and everything in Italy or is is sort of sexualize to a certain extent and so when Cipollini said the kind of thing and that kind of thing about you know we'll Adams and companionable Gaza victories. People really lapped it up especially in the sport and it's sort of blue collar spotlight professional cycling. We'd no as in graces at that time just makes me think back to last year and that extraordinary night where we had Dana a with the with our BNB host and the TV. Saturday night. Tv in Italy really extraordinary I it was. It was women in Bikinis clambering slides women in bikinis wrestling in March women. In it was just it was just no nuance to what so ever initials kind of prime time on The most popular channel initially. And didn't he say to you Daniel? This is the best program in Italy. I mean we all that may. It was an uncomfortable dinner. That wasn't it for a number of it's a Martha Mayes in our in our book isn't it ought not dinner. With the Italian Bruce Willis and his gun collection and enemy a whole other story. But yeah I mean so you're saying basically CIPOLLINI was was part of the culture but also playing to that culture as well. Yeah absolutely and as I said. The the marketing man was The certainly the Marketing Department Canon del Rey successful In in creating the sex symbol of it out of him he loved it and you know the question was never really no one ever really raised their hand and said well hang on guys. Mary Disney You know he's supposed to be. He's supposed to be a family man. Well the more to the point north wave the shoe company there was a very famous with Cipollini Holding a a naked woman in his arms. I mean he wearing he cycling shoes in a what looks to me to be like some kind of Flamboyant of Rene Sewn soldiers outfit I mean you can Google if you really want to say it but it was really walls of. It's time those. Those adverts were commonplace. Wasn't that they were printed in magazines and finally What twenty years ago but values have changed quite significantly since oh stays. There was another case in. He missed the start he missed the start of Jira stage and it was reported in the papers the next day because he was chatting to Miss World. I mean obviously his his antics all of attention which was the whole point on and it wasn't always on a sexual theme em you know He. He dress up all kinds of flamboyant outfits often at the turn of France the biggest stage of all and he had a very complicated relationship with the tertre Franci. You've got the sense that there. There was them unrequited love. There too didn't really embrace CIPOLLINI's falmboyant in the way that cipollini embrace the the the sort of at the two offered in his later years which will hereby by 'em he his team often wasn't invited to to the wants them about night treat it with disrespect. Didn't ame and there was this. There was a story in ninety five. They cranked up the air conditioning in his hotel room deliberately. So I could get ill and that would give him a legitimate excuse to leave the to wash his roommate. Silvio Martinez Logo Aero instead and we heard from white earlier by him spot. The training days after having pool that the are clearly nothing physically wrong with him. But while all this obscures our overlooks as that. He must have been a a serious athlete to compete at the level that you compete for so many years it was a an aspect that he probably deliberately underplayed and because it didn't fit with the with the image but 'em to have success to be that the goods and and in our domain sprinting. That really is not for the faint hearted you need to be brave and courageous take risks Cipollini was there and You know unimpressive athlete to and we're going to hear knife from the Belgian sprinter. Tom Steels who went sort of head to head with them and steals as a kind of complete contrast in in every way am very still a sports director with Dakota quickstep. As interesting he won stage one of the third of France in one thousand nine hundred eight and Dublin and I was there and I I when I heard them mention that that when I was shocked because in my memory Cipollini on the stage simply because at the end of the stage everybody surrounded Cipollini including me and my brother So you know it was CIPOLLINI. The still all the attention by Tom. Steels here one. That sages says law and yes deals with somebody went head-to-head with him a lot and really saw up close CIPOLLINI. The athlete was always special I'll think mark Collini that years for for sure one of the fastest He had a very strong team. Who was tactically always always On the right path so they could really Time spending well So you really have to be one on the percents beaten and also technically you really have to Cho- chooses Israel because one position behind them and you could already. It was very difficult to win the race So he was like he was like the man to beat and our years Because he was. I think one of the fastest Videos who had a little bit of extra that charisma that That part of the show we always made before starts and the wasn't figure he was one of the I think one of the the is also the Palatal So he was a mental to the other one man team. They're all rose fall for CIPOLLINI and they just had to ride rides for it Once for instance Mario Shirley Owens from Kilometers two to one. They really really liked it up E always that could lead Osmond but he was also himself also quite quite intelligence. Even if it wasn't perfect he always finds the solution. So Yeah you could learn a lot from also but for sure Psycho Adele periods Really a good lead altering of course I did with sprinter To Really Be Talk. Spent if you do ten sprints you almost have to gain five or six Especially when when the whole team is build around your and then Cipollini for sure Made that that average quite easy on dense quincy didn't he didn't do so much and that's why that's why he was the leader of the team and he could also build a team around also caused a few on the bike. And you want you want to win the bike races especially post princess. Then you just have a little bit more Adrenaline on the bike Yet dental costs of for him for sure. It was the guy that you didn't you didn't spend into a fight with before any I mean you could fight with other spenders but not cheaper any so you always have to find a way to To kind of leave him alone but still make that fight to be to be in Israel. So Vegas fire was always behind them But he also you also never really picked the fight also that was not also a style so I cannot remember one one fight. Cipollini for position. you just wrote around you as you are also very good bike rider So the fight was always behind them. yeah and I think in my career. I could be didn't do so many races together but man-to-man I could I could be them. I three or four times. I think in real fuel speed But yeah was not could it could maintain is quite a long time Vehicle you could also come from behind. Specialty was really to start in the reason just to maintain your speed and it was difficult to be here. The thing is is. He was Even if he lost even for a week you said always say so. We never really super nervous On that point because if we spent the sauce to lose e couldn't win the first week yet tends to get really really nervous but him. He always they call. It's right again. Tried again with on the by doing race. You didn't see anything about him. You are still offing you. You're still making jokes But once he got he got the victim the first victory in then really have to be shot to beat him again. It seems to be that the indeed needed some some days to to get on real sweets but but more sales for physically. I never saw Cini. Also bad quite didn't shave the different kinds of spending goals it. I think I was maybe more typical as with a heavy legs and the and the and the exclusivity he was told yet also not really use had lot of muscles but not really typical. I if you saw him on a picture you couldn't say if he was a sprinter or good or wrong writer. If you saw immune affects you then you have calls with with electricity almost immediately that I was friends. So e yet is a little bit of a typical Build up but there are also other spends read the same same characteristics. But of course if you would have been in a in a boxing ring First thing I would do it you about that. I ride is especially in the to stress. And and anything you have to do. A buff is too much but he just e dressed up like a Roman The whole team of reciprocity law Roman and that that's way due to the to the podium so older hassle around it so the clothing you have to chase gloating before the start but for him. I think he needed to to do that. That little bit of extra which was good for the sports also bikes. That look great gets Perfect marketing but also not only marketing. But I also think you needed just just to be the show man just to be the biggest electoral of all so No I think it's very close to his personality. It's also one of the few riders that when Stocks Riding didn't gain weight He still looks like he stopped yesterday. So I think is is his ego is personality is quite I but I think sports greats I mean. He's he's He was the man to beat first of all because he was physically strong. But also because you knew if you beat him it just couldn't stand to lose also was a bit of a about battle between all the spenders at him But I must say he was. One of most was always fast. Sprints that's I cannot imagine Draw by by what you mentioned. Marriage Pollini treating the two fronts as a marketing vehicle. I think he said treating it with a slight lack of respect and in some ways none more evident really than in one thousand nine hundred nine when he dressed up as Julius Caesar on July the twelfth to mark seizes birthday. We really wasn't it. Wasn't really the yeah. I mean I was there that day and absolutely drew everyone towards Cipollini Cipollini almost bigger than the Tour de France From our side and intrude CIPOLLINI style The the riders psycho team or war a different jersey. It was kind of gold and white Type Jersey rather than the traditional red they usually wore so they attracted a low defined for that and then Cipollini out of the and went home before they go to the first big climate die. I mean it was Cipollini in a nutshell really Lionel. Burn the The into Jira. Yeah the I find. We find that parallel. No literally the only comparison between me and Cipollini can assure you but yet CIPOLLINI in the year two thousand perhaps paid the price for those antiques because the Tour de France left his team out of the race. I mean extraordinary now when you think the tool would leave out the of his stature magnetism and but you can only assume it was because he never made over. The mountains never really took the Green Jersey contest. Seriously I mean could could've finished a tour and one racked up more stages but didn't by this stage and two thousand CIPOLLINI one thirtieth Jiro Stage. Which at the time drew him level with? Kostanic Django in the all time list in third place later. On in the year the welter he was kicked out of the race for Punching Francisco. Set as before the stage star actually at the sign on or near the Sino podium. They'd had a beef. The previous day CIPOLLINI was upset that today's Oh it kind of edged him into the crowd tried to gain his retribution on the road. That day didn't manage to. It was still simmering the next morning so got him with a right hook and today's needed stitches. I mean you know unacceptable behavior in any era from any figure in the sport laying hand on another rider especially off in the heat to the moment. Amazing Yeah I mean. This was something that came to the fore and became quite nine about Cipollini the well the how imposing was physically in how he brought that forty could threaten to bring that forced to bear or actually do it. We had from way earlier about the way he would police. The peleton there was a similar story from Miguel Martinez. The mountain biker. Who who then went on to ride from Mapei about in doing something similar. Sort of writing off dream and put in. He's a big poor on Martinez helmet and sort of rotate like a joystick. And telling him he would never ride another race if he did that again if he tried to attack you know when. Cipollini decreed that he wasn't allowed to but there's no doubt the four young sprinters at that time He was he was the sort of monument the totem the everything that they wanted to be in a lot respects. We had the other day from Iran. Corinto when he beat Cipollini in the first stage of the Jiro and what we didn't really hear from grant was the sort of mixed feelings he had about beating Cipollini that day and then Yvonne also told me a very funny story about Another victory but Cipollini in the two thousand Jira Institute agree or we'll talk premature brutal had when I beat him. That was one of sorrow regret. Almost deep down I was almost. I'd beaten him but later it happened. Relatively often and he became a collie irregular opponent. When I came out without lost Ben that day and went past him I looked at him and my heart sort of sank. Barry Mind that when I was fifteen sixteen I'd had his poster on my wall. He was already Cipollini then. I became a junior. He'd started winning all the stages in the Giro and he was an idol. If you're a sprinter it was all about CIPOLLINI pissed off. Whenever he lost it was like your favorite football team. Losing beat him in one thousand nine hundred nine. It was like a method crumbled. That's also what I said to him. The next day his answer to that was listening youngster. That's what he used to call me. Young stay said even the most beautiful things have a beginning and an end but remember that Cipollini is not finished yet and he's going to be a thorn in your side for the rest of your career. He was joking but he was also right. He was one of those tenacious oil. Tuscon wolves and in fact. He went a lot more after that. The world's Sam Raimo convertible and so on and so on anyway. I'll never forget that feeling. I had when I beat him was like scoring a penalty. Pasta Gawky a team must support. Michael Misty Commission yard would go there. I'll put it like water level apart from the Solo specialty. Confining he's going to die in the two thousand year there was a state to Padova and I'd lost all of my teammates international on or something not far from the finish. There were sixty seventy rod is left and I was on my own with no lead out. Train lost twenty kilometers. We're almost entirely straight for the Red Wisconsin. A little over a narrow bridge or chicane five hundred meters from the finish. I knew this because I've done my homework. I'd really studied that finish. Said to myself leave. You weren't one of the first five of that little bridge lost. The I five guys would hold their speed and CIPOLLINI and his lead out. Monroe not five. And you weren't you'd lose all of your momentum. While they began with sixty kilometers an hour. You'd need a motorbike to catch them so anyway. I was thinking about that last corner for twenty kilometers then with my experience from the track and bit of youthful abandon. I was in the guy he didn't break on it. I'd been too far back. Maybe twentieth position so under the kilowatts a kite then suddenly everyone's breaking. I'm leaving it to the last second and I'm screeching around the Corner Property Myself Against Cipollini his pedal scraping the barriers on. Our show does a touching. It's bordering on an illegal maneuver and in fact I would have been disqualified at Takata Petra so much post go but the final chase down now coming from Seiko. There's a sharp end coming. And Fact Fontanella didn't even bother with his. He's allowed them to go through on the inside. This is looking like the perfect lead out. Now Watch out for. She pushes peak outdoor. But I come out in the corner. Fifth-place sake or a leader Mario but I launched my sprint. I and beat him impromptu. Lavar famous gassing lead even Colorado of speed. That man has. He came absolutely as he did when he won the first stage vehicle. The unless he win. Go up on the podium. Get my flowers then. I come back to the bus palm. My bike climb the steps. And then I see Cipollini on I got to go. Gomes Argo Jerusalem Diligence Tsuji Pauline. But I think of it. He basically well. I was climbing the steps at the front of the bus. He was climbing the ones at the back. He sees me and he starts coming end up so she has the market so I turned straight back around jumping team. Cotton off I go. He didn't even have time type in his mouth. Got The heck out of dodge. That night we were staying in hotels. Five hundred meters from each of that and we met up. He'd calm down a bit but it was still hey youngster. We almost crashed. You have to be more careful. Madonna counts double unmarked car pro one of the areas. I think thaw mighty guts overly sorry by two thousand and one the two biggest obsessions which she pollini on the Roadway milan-san remo and the world championships and in two thousand and one. He was beaten by Eric. Zombie milan-sanremo must've thought his chance slip away he was establishing himself as one of the great sprinters in Jira his his tally of stage wins. Now up to thirty four but in two thousand and two. It all came together for him. He won milan-san Remo but lost on the twenty third of March the day after his thirty fifth birthday he added sixty zero stages which put him one behind the all time record holder. Alfredo Binda and then the end of the season. He was world champion at last on the motor racing circuit in Belgium at role. But even the greatest kind of year of his career. There was still time for some controversy that year. He was arrested from motor pacing on the motorway again. A suggestion that the rules don't really apply to Super Mario The lion king. I love about that story. The line is the eve is tucked in behind the smart car. Day. Little baby car and he reckons. He was doing Well he the they. The police fought using seventy kilometers. In our he reckons he was actually doing ninety. Five or one hundred kilometers in our and Yeah listening to music on his Walkman paying attention to avoid the the potholes in the roads and when he saw the policeman signaling for him to pull over just just carried on again will cover this more than the next episode won't May and all these little clues the for Meyer Cipollini. The rules just didn't apply by that time he really was while we used the word. Sheriff he was in Italian In his team psycho I into Cipollini for first time in winter two thousand two thousand and one and went to that training camp in an Marina di Grosseto in the south of Tuscany on a couple of new riders. Coupla near pros who just joined the team and I was looking up to be there for that initiation which is very much orchestrated by CIPOLLINI. One of the ride is was a young American. Could Justin Spinelli who heart turn the previous year with Amdo? My Mom Fritz. Will Fritz and he comes to say. I think organized by Annandale. In any way that night they played a game which was a kind of well it was consisted of the ride is having were being blindfolded. And having to put their finger in an unidentified substance could smell or they can taste it and they had to say what was so they started. Cipollini found the whole thing hilarious and he was sort of filling with ketchup. And this and that and Spinelli was trying to guess he wasn't always getting some rights and wrong and then for for about these third or fourth challenge. He still had the blindfold on Dario Pieri. Big Burly Dario Pieri ninety kilos of him. He was stripping off suddenly. And Dario Pieri got down on all fours with his backside about half a meter from Justin Spinelli face and they then produced a tiny dish of What they filled with Natella and Spinelli was invited to dip his finger in the Natella. And by this point you know Die Pieri was completely naked And Spinelli took off the blindfold looked at the Brown substance on the end of his finger. Looked Daria Pierre's naked backside and run out of the room shrieking which collided ally. While Lionel's goes had his hands. I'm kind of looking through the cracks and this is this is sub Sunday league. Football Club stuff. Isn't it this kind of Ben Sira? Maybe I'm too old now for this sort of thing but it's I suppose it's men in their twenties isn't idiots. He was about some of us. Were how was the time thirty? Asian should've known better. Should Para there. I also resolutely craziest one year on that training camp for putting the wrong number of bread rose in his bread breadbasket at breakfast again. Well yes this kind of excessive behavior. They these anecdotes all adopter to create a picture of CIPOLLINI. I already had really. I mean. They all conform to a type. And I wonder if that's that's off the the legacy of CIPOLLINI and I guess that's what we'll be talking about in tomorrow's episode but yeah the complicated isn't it. I mean I mentioned the in in one thousand nine hundred am I was one of the whole crowd had gathered around March cleaning just trying to catch a glimpse of him in Dublin. Despite the fight he had won the stage. We were all seduced by the th the the charisma the woman that we saw in front of us. You know the the dark side that we weren't aware of such signed clues were there. Perhaps the dogs weren't aware of dead. Become more evident. We'll talk about in the next part but before we go quick trivia question for you m you mentioned his world champion ship in two thousand and two. How many times was married? Shipley slighted for the Italian team for the world championship question. Wonderful any will it. I would guess once once. Wow one for what was it that she didn't know that that's interesting. There you go but let's hear how Mariachi Pallini stacks up in the Pantheon of the sprinters from Tom. Stay or does he think that. Cipollini the greatest of all time for as though to be honest mark because he had years that you've really unbeatable. Which was your reporting. Years is not so far behind it. He's one of the best you do. His character but also due to victory sees a Yvonne so many races. That's for sure. He was one of suspense of Of the history of cycling so that sounded fairly emphatic chaps cavendish better than Cipollini at least according to Tom Steels but what do you think mark cavendish feels about that particular question? You asked Cheapo. Who Do you think the best who was chief own? I chip chip up with me. Who Thinks I've Japan? I'm GONNA say me. We'll we'll hear mark cavendish library tomorrow. M maybe will elaborate on it too. But in the meantime Thanks for much chops. Thank you Daniel. Thank you rich. Thank you line electric.

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19: The Lionel of Flanders | Part 5: Ghent-Wevelgem

The Cycling Podcast

24:04 min | 1 year ago

19: The Lionel of Flanders | Part 5: Ghent-Wevelgem

"In Flanders fields, the poppies blow between the crosses row on row that Mark our place, and in the sky, the locks still bravely singing fly scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the dead. Short days ago. We lived felt dawn saw sunset glow. Loved and were loved. And now we lie in Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe to you from failing hands. We throw the torch be yours to hold it high. If he break faith with us who die we shall not sleep, though, poppies grow in Flanders fields. Oh. Started the episode there with the reading of the poem in Flanders fields written by the Canadian soldier Joel McCrea and read the by calling Mace and a little bit of the last post, which is played every evening. The memorial Menin gate in IPE any probably heard a little bit of the bagpipes in the background that I'm in Flanders fields one of the sections of the plug streets, which is featuring on the course of GameBoy welcome this afternoon. The race will be parsing by here. And around about an hour's time just across the road. From me is a field which had a sign up that says Christmas truth. This is apparently where the truce on Christmas day nineteen fourteen happened in the British and German soldiers came out with their respective trenches. And play the game of football on the battlefield. And in fact, just in that field. Now, there are people dressed as soldiers reenacting that gave him full. They've got an old style looking football and having kickabout. The flags fluttering. It's very blustery here today. And this is the Pook street section these offroad gravity sections. We wrote a few sections yesterday. And when we were writing we joining in with the game with sports, even we actually came up the hill. Here surprised to learn today that the race is going in the opposite direction. They're gonna come hammering alone here and turn right? And then go downhill. So the sections I think a little bit more dangerous than I had an -ticipant it, but we should see how they how it pans out. A little bit later. I mentioned the first World War being commemorated by we will give them the race. It said opted to subtitle in Flanders fields to commemorate the centenary of the first World War, but partly has to be said for tourism reasons, as well to encourage people who have an interest in the first World War perhaps discovered that their ancestors were part of the conflict to come over and explore the region in a bit more detail. Also in the coast today, there's a memorial to an quantum what the Belgian rider who was riding further won t group. Goo bad team this time last year, we were and unfortunately, he crashed and then was struck by motorbike working in the race and sadly died. So there's a kind of sadness tinging the often, really. Fail to motive that we're in the heart of the western from battlefields of the great war here. Driving around or riding around your PA symmetry off to cemetry with rows of neat white crosses or white headstones. And that really gives you a sense of the scale of the loss of lies that happened here. The dead buried in the field. Those who survived to the true lions flounders. I think just down the road from here that a big memorial being guarded by two stone lines and the line is the symbol of the region. He might be wondering about the two versions of the flag. That's the official flag of the region, which is the Black Lion with red claws on a bright yellow background. But you may also see a plain black line without red claws. And that's a parent's version of Dr by those who would maybe call themselves flange in Flemish separatists. Sometimes you even see the official lion signed with the red close scratched out, and according to a couple of dollars into this week. That's because they don't want the symbol to represent the red black and yellow of Belgium. So here we all the Pook streets. It's interesting that they've adopted the English pasteurization of the village name fluke St. at which is just down the road. It's props because the British told me probably would have called it Luke street in the same way that many code EPA wipers. Anyway, yesterday, Simon and I had a chance to ride around the region. We go involved with the TV sort of interlopers. And we just wanted to find out what the roads of the area were like. Well, the plug streets absolutely terrific fun to ride on conc- even before the race tomorrow. I can see that the sections will be very popular beer. They'll look spectacular particularly very exposed field. And they might well be decisive in a way that we don't quite expect because the come between the two cents of the camel Burks the race will really be on at that point. And just just the bike rider is similar to Ryan. To the tro, bro, Leon sport. Heaves that we wrote lot eight four in Brittany. I'm the those tracks much rougher much more routed these are relatively benign, really, quite smooth. But the real danger will be an untimely puncture. So they introduced an element of luck into proceedings in the latter part of the race. So I'm not rich in the distance. That's pretty much the only hill on the landscape. We only have to talk of that is Ken Moberg ridge. So we'll head towards that. Now, the other rice comes from that takes a right hand turn onto the couple then about guys around left hand turn and then often over the talk. We'll ride it. Now, see how we get one. Quite steep in places. Yeah. It's not quite the Cup Berg, but there were sections that like the company back you'll pointing sign that says eleven percent followed by twenty percent. Twenty percents pretty steel. That's pretty state. Yeah. I'm not kid. Climb anything. It's my Defoe excuse I'm not get. We've come over the top one side of the camel bug and through the trees on the smooth road and the race four left on a pretty narrow path. We're just on the other side of the COPA section looking straight down the hill. Reuters coming up. Paul kim. Wherever Kim sportifs that's on today and this straight stretch here. This is where in two thousand seven the French rod Jimmy casper had a very bad crash. Thundering over the Kobus riders were falling and Jimmy casper landed very heavily on his face. And that from the organizers to stop using the side as a descent and largely that was because on the riders are on face stiff carbon-fiber bikes carbon wheels as well. And that meant on bottles with bouncing out perhaps more than they had done in the past. And it was looking to Kohl's as well as being fast and striked. There's nothing to temp Reuters to slow down really because it just goes straight down to the bottom toward another warm oil. So that accident caused a change of mind, and I'm not surprised ready. A few people have asked what bike on writing this week while I'm on my nearly ten year old time, which it's called and fiber his time VX. Aw. And it's the company L Urus. We will so. Yeah, I'm not sure I wanna tackle a steep couple descent while we might not have any choice. We've gotta get down some way. So what do we know about getting we've well they're seven races today for elite men and women under twenty three's juniors and images. The race was started in nineteen thirty four making it the oldest of the three I've seen this week founded, by textile manufacturer, and the cost has always been characterized by the wind and the camel bird back in the day. It used to head right up to the coast. But these days it's DOC's bit short of that nevertheless stretch known as demurred and near is notoriously windy the climb climate. Actually, I did in nineteen fifty five and today the race will tackle it twice once from each direction. This year. They've added the Pook streaks. And there are some that say is gimmick too far off as listen to the race other than the prospect to punctures going to be interesting to see how it plays out. There have been several three-time winners in the racist history, including Rickman Louis Eddy, Merckx, Mario Cipollini and Tom bone in the seventy eight additions that have been forty Belgian winners giving a home success rate of sixty one point five percent a women's race without eating twenty twelve. But the women were not get the challenge to tackle the plug streets today, which I think is a real shame. A little bit earlier today we stopped in the village of Luke's, which is just down the road and went into a cafe the cafe grown plas on the war was red black and yellow jersey. And it turned out to be the national junior road race champion jersey. One by Frank Vandenbroucke in nineteen ninety two. There was also bronze-medal that he won in the world junior road race championships that year Vandenbroucke hometown. And he was buried in the family plot at a nearby cemetery. When he died in two thousand nine eight thirty four just a decade earlier he'd been at the peak of his powers, although his relationship with not only performance in haunting drugs, but also recreational ones means he's another champion with troubled legacy in nineteen ninety eight he won we're going on the following spring. He dragged Wilfred pitas. Who's now? One of quickstep sports directors all the way to the line Volk and beat him in the sprint a few weeks later, he claimed the steep hills of the Dan with his big chaining liaise based on the age. Interestingly his daughter Cameron born a couple of weeks before that vote win in one thousand nine hundred nine is a promising athlete specializing in the eight hundred meters arriving employees St. it, and realizing that was funding Brooks hometown just just reemphasize to me, the depth and breadth of the cycling culture almost every town villagers got professional cyclist that they can call their own. Anyway, let's hear what one of the current riders thinks of this race. I mean, if you look at the winners and how the racist pond. Our over the years, it's it's different every year. My name's Luke grow. All right. For teams guy. You know, you've seen hundred guys comes the finish. You've seen guys come win it solo on nets quite strongly whether dependent and how the winds blow in and how it's raced sitting you have to be attentive with the wind tours lead this racist split and crosswinds and bodies everywhere. The section the Muren section, which is always exposed open. It's become notoriously famous for splitting the race to bit. So gotta be. Attentive. And then this the first year this year where they thrown in three gravel sections. So bit of a new twist on it. We haven't we haven't raised on these roads before so that our be be interested as well. But I think in general just got to be attentive whole day and these races in these classics and get welcomes no different. You just got to be in the front ready for anything. I'm thinking it's going to be a long hard day and be a worthy winner. Whoever wins it butter. Yeah. Tough day. We haven't been down to look at grabby sections, just because the recons we do we focus more on Ruben Flanders. I mean between races. You know? It's so so busy just empower knees. Just in some remote and straight here. There's only so much time to fit in so many recons. And if you recon every race, he probably wouldn't have any time to race that have been down on video the section, so we can see the videos of them, Google, maps and pictures of you so got a pretty good idea of what to expect. But I haven't actually seen the myself the Calvo both ways. Both have been used over the years and. Both pre tough certainly the. The way we go up for the last time is is the hardest side. It's pretty brutal climate today is one say it's one of the hardest climbs in the whole of Flanders region. Unless Jay last weather decisive movement. Just just just missed out on that. Let's get my teeth burst bike racing. So personally, probably the second one just because it's. The final climb into just pretty selective and pretty brutal climb. So again stuck into that tomorrow type of terrain racing over tomorrow. Obviously, it's every of the field, you passes full of semi trees. And it's just whilst you can't take in. And you can look at it. And appreciate it. It's still you got to pay respect for. For the guys who are buried in field. So yeah, I mean, it's quite it's quite. Just shows how much history there is in the area and in the racist. No different as law history in the race. So while she can't take in, you know, it's still nice to pay respects. And. Yeah. Tip your heart to the guys. I think it's probably eight to nine years ago this weekend. I was riding the wave them sportifs on a very cold. We can win was coming from the north face. Not unlike this weekend famous elfin echelon riding with six or seven local flounder and writers, and I was embarrassed to get a history lesson about a lot of British history from like local Flanders, so kind of piqued my interest. So I'm pulled shaft, I say long term friend of the Polk cast run a company code psychos and classics we run tools out to all the spring classics. And it's writing here in Flanders that really interested in the history of the region, particularly that surrounding the first World War, and I had the opportunity few years later today about to you invest into scratch. Degree in the first World War on it saying I like to introduce a subject to people that come out with us. So people that we meet on the road, and even some of the professional teams of toes of the battlefields to try and understand the reach a lot better. And I watched the significance of wave again adopting this subtitle in Flanders fields coinciding with the hundredth anniversary of the first World War. I think that the motivations probably two fold one is is that the the price of remembrance is still very much ongoing. People now study that family history we are talking a hundred years ago, but people can now. Especially in the UK. And then needless speaking, well people like to track down Sestri. So there's another key motivation is that sort of level of tourism that comes to the region and flan is lifted with with cemeteries and a lot of them are British and Commonwealth cemeteries, and yes, there was a lot of British Commonwealth. So just killed a push 'em pie. So just killed us. They wear them. But the main reason that such as prevalence of bridging KOMO cemetry is because of course, that went repatriated to those countries to Britain to Australia New Zealand, South Africa, Canada, India and the same with the free. French soldiers were largely Patrick's on the Camelback, there's a huge all Serey where the five thousand French troops buried from the what some people call the full bottle of which is it was in spring nineteen eighteen which is when the Germans finally break for the line. But the key to. The region is this usually strategic important it has been for centuries going way back before the festival ball. But if you go back to where your stay in co tree, I think that you know to the battle of the golden Spurs, the original lines of Flanders pushed the French back out of the region, and it's always been because of its geography its importance to the channel ports of Brugere Ostend. It's always been strategically important and probably mistake that the central European Union is in Belgium as well. So it's been seen as this cross rates to the continent. And that was that was true hugely during the first World War. This is whether the Germans tried to execute sleep plan ran their right wing. And this is where it broke down around the town of. The allied forces in nineteen fourteen of which the British were very small part. There were two million French fighting in round in September October nineteen fourteen and only one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty thousand British empire troops held off. The jam is at that point. When you watch the race, you'll see the helicopter cameras that the the race chemistry and goes out in the men in Rhode usually were into the final selection by that stage of the race. You'll go for the men and gate, which has got fifty five thousand names of the missing on it from the you'll be up to see Polycom would just to the side of the the motorway there, which is where the German push in nineteen fourteen was held up and what the trench warfare that. We remember from that battle from that from that conflict started where that will move ended up to that point every huge cavalry movement. It'd be a war of movement. And it was two years later the bottle passion. Dial. Again, ULA seem from from. If you've been watching the rice on TV model so across from Polycom would. The the attempt to break out the allies to breakout breakthrough to German line took place which disastrous results largely because of the weather in the mud. So it's really imbued with history. It's great that Flanders classics adding the suffix to the race in Flanders fields. And. And I think cyclist privileged position this year. Of course, the racist going through the Pook streaks off road sections literally taking the race across Flanders fields. Sometimes I feel a little uncomfortable. When I'm at the camera bag because there's all the fencing up warning you not to stray off the beaten track because they may well, be unexploded shells and all sorts in in in the woods. Sometimes I wonder whether we overdo the imagery of of professional cycling, you know, the the themes of suffering, and and you know, hardship and hard work when racist go into those regions exactly where you know. There was tremendous loss of life and real genuine suffering. It's it's quite a, you know. Not necessarily sort of comfortable bedfellows. What's your feeling on that? And the way certainly we as journalists sometimes use language of war to convey, sporting endeavor. Yeah. I think I agree. You've got to be very, very careful. We love our sport. And what we love about sport is that suffering, and we all know what it's like to be on a climate where conference I trying to hold someone's wheel in front of us. But the to compare today when you see the amount of dead in region. Does bring you up. Sure, you think well this is just the bike race and seven we love and enjoy privileged eleven enjoy. While the racist. Splitting into some groups. Here. Say hit the street. Van Hecker and Loic to all the to ride the front qualify. A chase group and then another small chase group. And then. Well, what looks like the rest of the electron doesn't look huge. Around the corner here onto the dusty road disappearing into a storm gust. Heading downhill pretty far sprinting out the corner onto the gravel and Nostra right hander the bulk of that hail. And it's a loose surface. So it's gonna take a lot cat. We'll get round there. Without somebody's we were skidding from underneath them. Hey comes another group. So the racist really split to this. In the wind. Forming interests of on. Formation here. And it's still quite a long way to go go and do the KOMO again for the second time before heading down to wave for the finish. Well is about it from the law in Florida. I think it's time to head home. Oh, crikey Nimesh between the F D. Orca Scott team cars. Well, yet before I go big, thanks to Tamale imports. Go into that produces to Simon gale off a toga for being such good humid travel companion Jonasson rove. He's a sensual word in the scenes, Liam Laverty intelligent mobile, Mustang, who say the cycling podcast sponsors science four kept my energy levels on riding and Rafeh who sent me a jacket and some bright pink Cova shoes. Call him as read the poem. The open this episode like tools, I think push off though Stephan the owner of the hell a Hoy in col- trick and to everyone else who participated in the series. But most of all thank you to all of you who've listened to we've enjoyed it. That's all for me the line leflore. Anders needs a little lie down. In Flanders fields, the poppies blow between the crosses row on row that Mark our place, and in the sky, the locks still bravely singing fly scarce heard the guns below. We are the dead. Shoot days ago, we lived felt doom so some set glow. Loved and were loved. And now we lie in Flanders fields. Take up a quota with the phone. To you from failing hands. We throw the torch be yours to hold it high. If you break faith with us who die we shall not sleep. Pope grow in Florida's feeds.

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TdF preview show with Johan and JB,Stage 8

THEMOVE

29:12 min | 1 year ago

TdF preview show with Johan and JB,Stage 8

"There's probably writers that nobody heard off and they're they're super domestiques. That's probably tree writers that I could say you know. These guys have been doing until now an amazing job probably done half of the half of the distance. It's on the front of the Peleton. Obviously destroy riders are great domestiques but you know there's there's more every team has their own mistakes and most of the time these are writers who have been around for a long time then you know it's not about results but that's about the amount of work and selfless efforts they are making for the for the leaders and the common goal of the Dean welcome back to the move as we wrap up stage seven of the two thousand nineteen tour toured France. I'm Jay Be Hager. Johan Bruyneel joins us of course Johan former Ryder but mostly known as a director and thirteen time winner of a grand tour so he's got a lot of insight that he shares on the show you of what happens daily in the Tour de France and more importantly what to expect in the upcoming day or more now. If you WANNA take care of your nutrition on the bike lance has a really really important message for you to help you with that in this episode of the move featuring Johan Bruyneel my longtime Co Host J._V. Hager is brought to you by the feed. These guys literally have everything I used to get so sick of the same flavors day in and day out. It's awesome that you can buy few of one flavor and mix it with a few of another flavor plus. You can save a fortune. 'cause you only buy what you need when you need it. Every order is totally customizable now if you're like J. 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I don't know I don't know what what what George <hes> what how he's reading eating those names but <hes> today was today was yeah it was it was on another level. He was talking he was when he was analyzing the sprint. Yes he was talking about the lead out for Yanni right and so he was calling those names and he said well first of all. There's a there's a guy on the quickstep. His name is David Neitz Belgian guy so he says David and he I mean he doesn't even get Pasta Two syllables because they've nine C. doesn't even get there so just bramble something something <hes> and then and then another another guy who you know he should know is <hes> Maximiliano Riquesa is an Argentinian Guy Argentine champion longtime <hes> leadoff guy for for sprinters and he keeps calling Liam Enrich Richie Richie so I said what I mean but I I thought it was a nickname but he actually thinks he's called Richie so George Lee Casey League as <hes> so that was yeah that was that was what's funny. What's funny? Any today and <hes> and George David ninth is not part of the leader Train <hes> the the guy you mean is <hes> lump art so it's lump art and more cough re Casey and then Yanni and as we all as we all saw all today Vivian we had this perfect lead out. I mean to perfection <hes> but just didn't have that extra kick didn't have the power to really accelerate <hes> when when his lost the last Manrique as a pulled pulled off <hes> and so yeah I mean <hes> a part of a part of the you know the last ten kilometers and then everything would happen in the final kilometers of the of the sprint at <hes> was as expected it was a very long stage really boring stage and <hes> you know today today hats off I would say but if we if we haven't talked about Petronas today on this on this podcast but you know hats off today to the T._V.. Commentators data who do the live coverage <hes> these kinds of stages I mean I cannot imagine I cannot imagine what you have to invent you know to keep it interesting for the for the viewers you know when <hes> <hes> I'm sure I'm sure short <hes> you know fill <hes> fill and Bob <hes> you know that quite entertaining and and <hes> I mean I don't know what they have to talking about but I hope Bob Role. was you know having a free if you good jokes because the must not have been a whole lot to talk about <hes> before the last fifteen kilometers I would think yeah I have tremendous respect for them in the job that they do and you know and I did radio my whole career but we talk for five minutes at a time and take a break yeah. They're going for six hours at a time in in very entertaining and I've said it already and we've all said it but <hes> Bob rose doing a fantastic job filling in some some very big shoes to Phil and I'm impressed and I think they sound great together Great Chemistry of course they've known each other a long time and I'm happy at how this is working out yeah while I mean you know Bob Bob of Dino's stuff. I mean it's it's it's a big doc. It's a big task for him. <hes> but I'm sure that <hes> he can he can be a really really good tandem with Ville and you know this. You know they <hes> yeah. I'm sure I'm sure it's entertaining and of course you know they know what they're talking about. So so <hes> yeah good job good job what role if you're listening to this so I know you observed <hes> as there was a two-man breakaway all day but kept very well in control by a couple of people in particular yes well I as expected today is <hes> one of those stages that actually you know no. None of the riders actually wants to go in a breakaway because they know it's going to end up with that two hundred and thirty kilometers so you know the breakaway these two riders went from the gun and have been out there for I guess two hundred ten two hundred and fifteen kilometers so that's <hes> that that must be really really hard for the for the head you know knowing that you have to go out there and the only thing you're going to get this T._v.. Time <hes> with no no result at the end <hes> obviously it's you know they're instructed either. They're instructed <hes> from their team to be in the breakaway and Kofi. This is one of those teams <hes> you they they. They have an invite this year for the tour and they have a sponsor. You know longtime long-term sponsor so I don't know if it's deemed redeem instructions or if it's the writer particular who actually wants and likes to be on T._v.. That's also the possibility and you know very very well respected. I mean go do it. You know two hundred and ten kilometers out there knowing that you're going to be caught and yet today we just saw these two riders <hes> Rosset Rosetto and a and fatal <hes> the two too strong writers but <hes> the two teams that were controlling the Peleton as expected to a lot of adults for Caleb Ewan and Jimbo visa for gruner Reagan. They had <hes> Tony Tony Martin you know several times world champion time trialing amazing amazing engine and maximum for a veteran who really knows his job so those two riders quality-wise without disrespect to the guys in the breakaway but our interior stronger so stronger than the two guys so we was to riders in the front as riders in the Peleton and so you know the Peleton and those teams and those writers who were pulling in the Peleton could actually really <hes> control. Thrall it and and just you know without too much of an effort uttered and you know the long long hours out there. Are you know just the two of them <hes> but they could keep it perfectly under control and you know we all knew from the very very beginning that <hes> that was going to be the outcome mm-hmm and <hes> yeah I mean hats off to those four riders you know because the two headers in fronted. They're you know they're going to have <hes>. They're going to sleep very well tonight and if you look at <hes> Tony Martin and more for this is not the first day they're doing this. That's like the third day they're doing this so if you if you look at the amount of kilometers they've been pulling already <hes> not agreed. It's not super super fast but <hes> it's you know it. It obviously takes a lot out of you in <hes> <hes> so yeah we had we had this situation and very very predictable <hes> outcome in terms of how the race with be the finished at the end but it's always difficult to predict and so I I hear that George had the good pick with Bruna Wegan <hes> I picked Yanni <hes> and I think Lance Big Yanni right so we were wrong and George was right than you know. He's he's. He's proud of it. I hear so we'll see at the end at the end of the tour how many productions everybody has right. Although it was a long and uneventful day man the sprints are exciting and we all know oh how fast Viviana is and a textbook lead out yes. It's just it's just it just says so much about the speed and acceleration of Gruner Vegan and Caleb Ewan was for moment. There looked like he was going to blow by all of them. It was just unbelievable yeah. He you know that say the lead out for Yanni which is which Lump Art George Not Dave Nights Lumpar more cough and Rick as eh <hes> dropped off Yanni but you know they they actually also did the great the perfectly out for <hes> gruner vague in for Caleb Ewan <hes> and you know when when we saw that Vive Yanni didn't have the power <hes> those those two other riders just accelerate it <hes> gruner Bagan first of all but gave you and even more because he came from further behind and just imagine the speed you know it's <hes> if you were to if I would have to take a guess the moment the these guys really accelerate for the real sprint. They're already going sixty five kilometers per hour and today for example I saw I saw the stats afterwards and Bagan stop speed in the last two hundred meters was seventy four point one kilometers per hour translated into miles debbie. How what's what's that in Mile Ford forty six miles an hour on flat ground with your own power? This is miles now. This is not downhill. This is not this is flat you know when when when they're at the top seat I just just imagine you're going sixty five kilometers an hour and you accelerate the amount of power output at that very moment because you know they get up to sixty five while they're on the wheel and then they have have to go and that's what that's what we've Yanni couldn't do it and those are riders could do it. I mean that's it's it's. It's you know if you really think about it. Seventy four point one kilometers and this is this is normal now. This is not exceptional. This happens all the time <hes> <hes> so I mean it's it's incredible and really I mean it even thinking about that then you know when while they're rubbing elbows and trying to push themselves through to find an opening due to have a clear road towards the finish it's it's just it's amazing using. It's amazing yeah and you know I talked about it on on the show earlier in and I don't think Lanson George Solid. I wonder if you've noticed it. Just as Caleb was coming around and they're you know shoulder to shoulder practically really his he was putting so much power into his rear. Wheel came off the ground which may have been just that much of a difference that cost him the the win but yeah well. I didn't go. I didn't see <HES> I didn't see that but you know you can. I mean it is perfectly possible but just imagine if they're going already at that high speed while they are basically drafting and being brought up to that speed of the guys doing the lead out to lift up the wheel. Imagine the amount of power a little guy like Caleb you and I mean yes. He does have this particular style of sprinting where he kind of puts you know the maximum amount of weight to the front of his bicycle and and you know he's Steinem and then on top of that he kind of goes on his front wheel but you know the amount of power for a little guy like that I I would. I would estimate probably thirteen hundred fourteen hundred watts. Oh my God yeah. I mean that that very moment I mean I guess it's a guest but I do remember you know long before we were all talking all measuring and everything was was published published online <hes> or extrava Cipollini Tall Ones Marci Pollini you know arguably one of the best sprinters of all times <hes> that <hes> his maximum power <hes> in a sprint <hes> was <hes> eighteen hundred watts I mean and he he said this to me because it was just a moment that we were talking about. <hes> the special kind of feels lightweight wheels the brand you know it's a it's a carbon German brand. Now I see for example team you nails is using them now and then and and <hes> so he <hes> he had been trying those wheels and he he was he couldn't he couldn't ride them because his acceleration eighteen hundred watts was just too strong though he is the wheels good and handle that at that time or how obviously probably that they have improved a lot by now but at that time he was not able to use those wheels because of the the tremendous amount of power at the moment of the acceleration in the real sprint so I would guess you know thirteen fourteen hundred watts for caleb you in with probably be <hes>. I'm not sure but it's not going to be far off. Wow Yeah I follow Cipollini on Instagram and he likes to ride without a shirt quite off in case you're wondering Mario has a he's. He has a different career now. He's obviously he rides his bike like a lot. I mean I hear he's still really really good really fit but he's also a part of bike riding. He he went a little bit into bodybuilding and he's you know he's massive massive arms massive shoulders and and yes you know as we as we know him from before he likes to show it. Yes everybody loves him though he can pull it off yeah. He's he's Mario. CIPOLLINI is first of all he was an amazing bike rider very fast one a lot of racists and you know oh he was this type of athletes was in his mortars and not more than an athlete. He's actually you know had a lot of charisma. He has he was a personality you know and <hes> and he was good for the sport. You know and I think that's when that's what that's what cycling needs. More more of you know like for example is one of those of those guys radio and you know a personality with you know he's more than it's not just only interesting because he is a good bike. Rider interesting on a lot of levels and CIPOLLINI was one of those guys do oh yeah we we love him. We love him over here because I remember him showing up in the tour with like a Zebra stripes yeah and I and I think at the time you could only wear black short BRAC black bibs or no no no it was it was different but he was known own you know at the time of Zebra <hes> I remember it was <hes> first of all it was always always an initiative of one of his sponsors mostly it was the bike sponsor who kind of pushed him into that and there they were fines for you know respecting the uniform and then he knew he was going to do it and as spike sponsor with pay the fine and and the bike sponsor of course a lot of publicity out of it but particularly the Zebra <hes> I remember was the time when he was on a team. I think it was Domi Nova cancer and <hes> and <hes> their their clothing was made by fashion designer. <hes> is it is it Domenico Valla Cavalli Cavalli Yucca Valley and <hes> and so that particular uniform of Zebra was one of the one of the signature designs of <hes> of Garelli and so <hes> you know famous famous Italian designer Jenner fashion designer so <hes> he put on that Zebra stuff and y'all got fine and yeah but you know every everybody got a lot of a lot of complicity elevate for sure now once once he showed up at the prologue and he was is wearing a full not just not just a short short sleeve short shorts pants but you know full long-sleeve full body skin suits and it was like a the muscle the muscles the anatomy of a body like the muscles. It was a muscle suit which was also you know yeah yeah yeah same thing same great stuff all right. <hes> what I learned about tomorrow stage from the show earlier is that it's a very complicated did stage to predict so I WANNA get. I definitely want to hear your thoughts on it in more input as to why it's so difficult to predict tomorrow yeah well tomorrow and you know I think the next three stages actually are going to be. Yeah they're really hard stages to the Limassol as they say the central Massif in <hes> in France. It's a it's a very very difficult rough heart. Terrain <hes> not just not just because of the the little hills but it's also very rough pavement usually at this time of the year. It's extremely hot and <hes> so it's it's yeah tomorrow for example it is it is a very difficult stage to predict what's going to happen. There's there's different scenarios possible. You know normally you would say yeah break away break away day. It's possible it's possible scenario. <hes> the only the only question is <hes> if it's if it's a breakaway those kind of days are dangerous for the the teams who actually have to keep control of the juicy and make sure that you know breakaways don't go too far with certain dangers writers in <hes> the danger is that most of time it's big groups. Go which go getaway you know fifteen sixteen eighteen riders so it's a group a group of more than fifteen is very difficult to control because you can only find three or four teams in the Peleton who are interested to bring that break back or to keep it within the acceptable limit so if it's if it's a big group then <hes> then yeah I mean it's GonNa be a hard job in the PAL Tonto to to keep <hes> keep that group within limits <hes> but but you know who knows you know tomorrow if I see a profile of the stage and especially also with the there's a little climb <hes> short climb but but quite steep at the end <hes> we could have the same scenario as a few days ago where you know Repeater Saigon and Michael Matt Use who in my opinion that <hes> this from the fast guys the guys who are able to get over all those climbs and tomorrow is even a better a better possibility than the other day because because <hes> you know with that last steep climb they are say almost sure to make it with <hes> when it's thirty to forty riders and all the other sprinters will be gone you know even <hes> you know the fast guys for sure and maybe even then guys like <hes> Christoph and Cobra who were there the day would probably not be there tomorrow if <hes> if we have a real race on the last climb so we could have a scenario like this that those teams <hes> <hes> do again the same thing they they keep the breakaway under control and and you know hope that there are two main guys Saigon and Michael Matt Use <hes> make it over to climb and can have a go at it for the sprint <hes> then another scenario. I mean this this this could also be. It's a big group and that he's done it before and he could do it again. A guy like Peterson gone is actually in the breakaway for perfectly possible perfectly possible and then you know last last scenario we could half of that <hes> tomorrow could also be a day for Allah Philippe not just for the stage win but you know having in mind that this again this this this last climb the little. It's the third category climb but there's a point of vacation certifications. It's one of those eight climbs in the Tour de France where where so has put one if Gatien so if he makes it I on that climb <hes> then then okay of course it depends what you corneas <hes> but he could use that those vacations to get the Yellow Jersey back so difficult stays to predict very difficult <hes> and you know either of those four scenarios are possibility tomorrow so I'm going to <hes> you know just <hes> leave it at that. Nothing really make a firm prediction but you know rotter explaining what kind of scenarios are possible and <hes> and yeah you know. If none of those four <hes> happens then we'll be again one of those days you know in new cycling in modern cycling where all cycling traditional laws are broken and <hes> you know who knows who knows that's the that's the beauty of it that <hes> you never really know what's going to happen excellent. Do you have time for a question Johan sure sure sure okay. This is fun. This is fun questions for Johann as a follow up to his response to team selection the other day a couple of years ago when I think Wim van savant retired his director said something like there are two ways to have a long career one is to win a lot of races. The other is to carry A. A lot of water bottles with that in mind. Who Do you think are the best straight up domestiques in the Peleton not the guys winning the races but the <hes> the hard workers? That's from Sam in Minnesota interesting interesting well. You know I mean yeah. It's it's it's funny funny the correct pronunciation <hes> you know we're not GonNa let George Burnell this but Wim van saving aunt. It's more than a couple of years ago. It's it's it's probably eight nine ten years ago already probably <hes> <hes> was <hes> several times the very last writer he is. He did the main the main part of his career on Lotto. He did the Tour de France <hes> several times and two or three times. I think he was the very last writer in the general classification the long ten rush <hes> as we call it and <hes> you know funnily enough <hes>. I spoke about the about him last weekend because my nephew the son of my sister is racing in <hes> in Belgium under twenty three and he's on the same team as the son of win von Savant <hes> really really good writer by the way because they went to a race in France in the Pyrenees and the son of Women Maori Ma would even save one one to stage race <hes> very hard over the cold obese and he wanted to stage race <hes> with more than five minutes advantage till the second one so <hes> but yeah I mean wind vans even was definitely a great domestique and did indeed carry a low of bottles in during his career so I think is director was <hes> was right. <hes> and <hes> you know thinking about today's domestiques. <hes> you know it's not really not really I mean I haven't really paying attention to you know who's WHO's carrying a lot of bottles and <hes> but I do I have definitely seen in this tour. De France a few riders <hes> every team every team have their you know their their domestiques. They can rely on no matter what and you know I just I just named two of them. <hes> in you know when we talked about the the teams who were pulling it in the Peleton. You know if I have to look at this year stood of France after what I've seen now and of course you know avance. I don't know Oh everything that's going on within the team and there's a lot of a lot of work these domestiques these helpers now most of the work they do. It's the theme and the theme readers who know this. You know it's not something that seen on T._v.. We don't know but they know there's so much going on and so you know it's not because you see them or they have certain results. I mean there's you know obviously there's probably writers that nobody heard <hes> heard of and they're they're super domestiques but from what I've seen <hes> that's probably tree writers that I could say <hes> you know. These guys have been doing until now an amazing job and it's it's Tony Martin who has been writing. You know not just today other days you know on the front by himself. Most of the time together with Moxy more for who is <hes> you know a veteran. I think he's thirty seven thirty eight years old a done a lot of racists <hes> you know he's been pulling pulling pulling and then I would want to add another guy who had a bad crash the other day <hes> Casper ask green from from the Kooning quickstep. I I mean amongst those street riders they've probably done half of the half of the distance on the front of the Peleton so obviously destroyed riders are great domestiques <hes> and you know but you know there's there's many more as many more every team. Everything has their own domestiques and most of the time these are writers who have been allowed around for a long time. They know they're placing the PELETON. They know what they're capable often what they're what they can't do <hes> but you know team leaders and and an and teams and team directors know the value of these guys and you know it's not about results but that's about the amount of work and selfless selfless efforts. They're making for the for the leaders and the common goal of the team. There's there's <hes> <hes> you know it's a name I can't name them. Just destroy are good examples but there are many very good thank you Johann we appreciate it as always send those questions in for Johan just to the move it we do that team and we appreciate that we're always trying to add those questions and comments and just more insight from Johann. You got plans this evening Johan not tonight no tonight the night the I'm GonNa not no no no writing today no right. You've been back on the bike. Though haven't you a little again a little bit. Yes Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's okay you know the only thing is that now <hes> now in Spain. It's extremely hot during the day and so you'd have to go very very early but <hes> at night it's also very very good and I have really good lights so sometimes enjoying an evening nitrite <hes>. It's it's fun. It's fun. We'll talk tomorrow okay.

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51: Our Giro stage 6: Bonk!

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51: Our Giro stage 6: Bonk!

"You're listening to the podcast at our did Italia brought to you by. I woke up. Flexible loans bid for small businesses. Today we add on at says you say say Woah. Says you say sad that she a stage six of our Geeta Talia and while the usual question line where are we which still on Sicily? Mount Etna looms above US and Daniel. I'm already looking forward. To a virtual version of our journey. Across from Sicily. To the mainland of virtual. Three our cue to get on the ferry awakes. Us after this I think. Well maybe we'll hear some classic highlights from you the very fond memories. We have it feels like we've done that Johnny about half a dozen times but I think it's any twice in one thousand nine hundred But yet something that tends to lodge itself like a very painful paypal in the in. The memory is chilly up here. Isn't that chops You really feel the the the the altitude because of course sea level so hot and sultry here. There's a cool breeze blowing a bit. I don't know if I've got enough clothes on for this. It's a live volcano. Richard Fallback. Be Chilly up here. Then then scolding heart can tell you that would be a bad sign on good point what we got coming up in today's episode. Well we're going to be looking back at the two thousand and two jets Italia and Cadel Evans debut in a grand tour. He was twenty five years old. He'd been a mountain biker. A brilliant minds in biker. He was writing for the biggest team in the world and he came quite close to winning the Geeta Talia. 'em There was an Almighty Aetna Sal explosion and that he suffered and we'll be speaking to him a Jiro and by what happened to 'em and it's a it's a fastener you. Those eleven hundred France winner. Of course CADEL EVANS RE- being retired for a few years and he seemed to. I don't quite enjoy looking back at the two thousand and two Jiro for all. That didn't end up very well for him. It was a very important experience in in his formative moment in his career. But before we get to Cadel Evans Lionel. Can you give us a tale of the Tampa? Please I can we all Mount Etna for the first proper summit finish of the Giro d'italia and it's a it's a mountain it at a volcano amounting new. Yes yes okay so is yeah well anyway. The WHO's been here five times before. Nine hundred sixty seven Franco battelle. She wanted ninety nine thousand nine. Casio still a one in two thousand and eleven better come Toowoomba but later had that victory scratched out of his office Pao Mars because he was tested positive for clenbuterol during the Tour de France and he had a whole a couple of years worth of results. What doubt twenty seventeen was the first time I went there? Where we ruled. That went to see young Polenz win out on stage. That was kind of neutralize somewhat by the headwind. Wasn't it the following year? Middleton Scott's Esteban Chavez and Simon eight the one two and what Cha took the stage and that was really what set yates up for his near three week long domination of the Pink Jersey but well we all know how that ended. So let's go and see how the elephant of what is getting on on the Broo- slopes of Aetna on the virtual platform RJ. Should you say Napalm? You'll be climbing up at not from a on a right that jared hasn't used before or it hasn't gone all the way up to seventeen hundred and seventy five meters on this road before so yeah new ground for the new ground for the elephant of wall. Well I'm on the lowest of the climb now with the first summit finish. Jiro has Daniel said a different road up on the road behind the Buffalo. Let's hear how he's getting on to me. Well the war rumors of a protest at the foot of Aetna by the Pathan today. But it didn't happen. Typically self-interest took over and everyone scampering claim it's an absolute and feelings haven't softened towards race directed free Branchini. There was famously director of of France. Who only lasted one tour? Donyell Free our colleague has written about him and alter-ego Free Branchini maybe headed in the same direction. He may be getting his jaw after this one because well my aunt today. An absolute brute. But the end is in sight onward. You're listening to the cycling podcast brought to you by I walker. Flexible loans built for small businesses. Join fifty thousand customers taking on life's twists and turns and scaling new heights with I walker. If you run a business find out more at I walk. I don't care. Uk I W. O. C. A. DOT CO DOT UK. Karen Jay and I am the go ride coordinator for the junior part of Kendall Cycle Club. 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Today are reaching into the cycling podcast volt from previous Jiri that we've covered. That was a opening to an episode of two zero from two or three years ago at Gino Mondo. It was called and we spoke to writers from all around the world who were taking part in the in the giving real international flavor to the the race and the the the Jenner that we're looking back at in this In today's episode. What was one that came close to being won by an Australian writer? No Australian has ever won the Jiro. So that would have been historic. I mean there are lots of other reasons. For being very notable Cadel Evans is the writer in question. It was his first year as a professional on the road with Mapai. The world's biggest team he had obviously been a brilliant one of the world's best mountain bike riders. My were not she as I rode team. He wrote part the previous season for psycho 'em he'd written for Cannon Dale a month and biker and there is a link there but his first full season as a professional and the road was with Mapai at the time the world's biggest team and he went to not jude's Italian into those into 'em really to write in support of the Ghazali as team leader that we talked to by the two thousand two zero a couple of days ago in our episode. By some of the the big controversies and scandals. The Jiro it was well donald rattle through all the scandals that Jiro was quite extraordinary. Amount CONTEXT MAY BE CADEL Evans spell in the Malia Roseanne his eventual collapse. Didn't get maybe the attention it deserved. It was one of the extraordinary stories and what was an extraordinary. Chiro wasn't at Daniel. Yea was rich and and just going back to his move from psycho to pay so as we mentioned before I think was working for my pain two thousand and warm and the OSCE stories contract. She's always contract so the he m of the final sales wasn't great in the my offices in Vienna Milan anthem. Will I remember this because obviously always always already covering talking at the time and But working pay at that time and then one day. I don't remember whether Evans was aim self but I was in the marketing department and on the way up to some doctors. Quincy the team owners office yet. Kind of pass off floor and I. I can't remember whether Evans was Tony. Roman guys manager with definitely there and I sort of got wind. The Murmur went around the CADEL Evans was signing from pay that day and for some reason his contract kind of was being processed was on someone's screen in in our office and then. I remember walking. Pasta and seen is how bonus scheme S- countless really on quite generous bonuses are confidential Yeah maybe I shouldn't say maybe it was heavy contract. You tell us that much. I mean with the winning. Jiro have been life changing for him. I remember I can remember how much the world championship was And I think major tours and world champion with the same same scale of bonus Comfortably in six figures. Shall we say comfortably? Well I mean he did come pretty close to winning the Jiro in in a strange in extraordinary circumstances as of Said and he only spent a year with my butt in speaking to him by that year by that year. What was really clear to me was the legacy of the experience. And and and the the deep impression it left on him and and really kind of informed a lot of the rest of his career I think can made him. It seems to me determined to find another home equal to my pie and in the sense that you know it was a real family team. That had very strong leadership. I think am through Dr Squinzi am so listen. We're going to hear from Evans. Don Lionel. Got Something to say. Well it's just going to give an extra bit of context to what happened in the run-up to the the day that Cadel Evans Road in the Pink Jersey. Because while we we talked about all the riders got kicked out of the race. It was a it was a strange jere. As a result of that wasn't a and the the German Rodney Yen's originally an east. German rider of course was in the Pink Jersey and he'd finished Tenth Institute of France. Ten years earlier. Hefner was thirty seven years old at the time. And really not somebody that you would have thought would win the Jiro but there was only this you know last couple mountain stages and then a time trial to go and so whenever news got the Pink Jersey that the end of stage sixteen and held elite of sixteen seconds over Dario Frigo and eighteen seconds over Tyler. Hamilton very close power Paolo Savoldelli. The eventual winner was in sixth place. Only forty eight seconds down But you couldn't say the Evans had won the Jerry by any stretch but he was in a fantastic position going into stage. Seventeen and absolute grew day. Two hundred and twenty two kilometers and well as I think he says at the start of the interview they done six and a half hours of riding before getting to the final big climb but if he if he just made it he probably would've won the Jira. That's how close it came. We'll hear from CADEL Evans. Speaking from his home in Switzerland they'd be not riding his bike morning and that will hear also from Riccione has my teammate. Who helped nurse him up the slopes in the end it really to to being part of my team Kind of institution Italian and world cycling. What was it like for you to come into the so I am just come across. It was my first year fulltime on the road. So from coming into Mapei and everything I've been doing in between the met my crisis. They say her because of the box to ship record could do that in. Mapei had seen me to would you? Would you like to come with us and develop as a three week run? It was a moment of my career in law where I dislocated new challenge in new surrounds. And then all of a sudden you had the biggest and best team in the world wants to work with you to which in my mind was the rest of my dream is a five Sochua but it was also to be a top matlock as one thing but to to to go and crossing all do gratuitous JC Roger. If I if if I'd said at twenty one time photo Nydia but some so Zola beats always was Euphoric Spurs when I look back at it. Now and that's euphoria and the whole everything happening and everything moving so quickly and going so well was I suppose Forward that got me into the position guide to Jira to answer your question. The the Mapei team and the whole I go I reflect on a beach Daca Quincy one thing that I'm as maybe not pay and this goes not just in the soccer team but ovation company and things my first team presentation two thousand and two Roth pay suits and to and And The everyone within the team another artist to screens in my pay. Everyone was so proud and respectful of him. And then we go to the team presentation which is about with about hundreds of MEPU- staff from the company that come here and they put on a big launch a stadium and I sold within. Everyone just sees a man of respect for Dr Screens. Mapei that company and it actually shut my mindset going forward in my own life in my own personal and that while through being respectful and being a good person You can build. You can really build something. You always had this idea to be an entrepreneur millionaire hard-nosed take advantage of everyone. You could invent he. It was the opposite. He's everyone who would give a lot the rot To be in the Interbay the so so so let's say you had one hundred fifty thousand employees around the world. I think he had a hundred thousand. People were hundred ten percent whereas you had token any company. If you've got one hundred people giving fifty percents good. But just 'cause I had such deep respect for him and and that was within the whole company but the soccer team was assigned and then of course we will raise the all spent most of what we had. So many good riders. If you look at the Bay Tame Rogge's can't you Lara Guys like that was Fray Bettini Gadzali Enter taffy Daniele Nardello. And so we had The team and then more specifically Finish the answer. The first rights idea. We've Mattei was the opinion criterium intuit under and I was sort of feeding. Radi better destroys the National Championships. Dial two before. Today's before or something and they saw US Betide criterium and whatever and there was a breakway three and they managed to stay which was kind of unusual but three. I think was three in there anything. Why afterwards so that? The debrief with meeting some with Crispy in fact a lot crispy. He's now the manager mutual He he's a three in the brakes right now. Honest in the break and in Oakland criterion means nothing in this game or business woke but but every race we went to we had to honor and every break. We had a presence. We went to one rice literacy in those off where I am now by luggage majority. I think it was the I'm thinking sort of done. July August you need to live with a small rice. Went there meeting an important? We'll see what happens. We want anyway. We won the race anyway but was get to the front. The group bring could break board. Everyone's the sprint. But some one rice we rented I went to my where we didn't win it which was in summary so blend to that thought. Two thousand two. Jiro Am I. Guess is huge pressure on them upright team anyway to perform an on right well in the. Jiro am a UN into that race. I mean what we write spectators going on your they're going. They're in support of God's Elliott guests mainly always going in support guys la. But I've been told from early in the season January In case something goes wrong. Be Ready in case something goes wrong. Okay okay I'm going there but also I was officially professional. People Are People. Remember realize but some okay whenever you writing those to pressure anyway Always put pressure myself to perform as an athlete anyways little bit more a little bit lesson. And this is where I'm going to Gerard Beale. Say some goose ignorance. Ignorance is highly derided. Sometimes you you don't know what to be scared off so that when they talking Nina talion something needs than that and that. Oh I didn't understand everything so it didn't bother me. Which was sometimes. It's good not when you the Tom the meeting Tom. After be to go to the airport. You don't understand that that's a problem. How nervous everyone needs. How anxious everyone is when you when you. When some of that gets the interpretation that was to my side as what was going to my first grand to. I really know what to expect. So I wasn't. I wasn't I didn't have high expectations have a I didn't have high expectation to my cell phone and have high expectations from others. Either didn't have a lot of pressure so that was ideal. Scenario for myself and domino winning fit and ready and but but officiate professional going to threaten to and you know. How did it start for you? Start up in in Holland. Didn't that Jiro along fronts for you. We read the I read the two Romandie just previously. What's freezing cold and snow or knowledge struggling and that was my rights for performance on myself and I think always stood which was okay but Being experience to deal with the cold weather and so on Really really struggled so the exit. Happy all you go through gave everything and considering the way the conditions it was it was probably the call destroyer was most people's called US thrice they Korea colorized anyway and I came from that house exhausted and I remember we went to Hoaglund. Was they come on? Come on we're going to say sucrose performing free concert. I'm going to bet I'm too tired. I think slept from when I go to the side of the prior. I got up and did not really prepared for it and I mean the first something long. That was okay. That'd be deal. And then we then we started and started writing and all this this day for early and the main probably the big heart porn of the thing was I actually had only on the wheel going into the last corner and that was the same finish for the best on the Irish Lady Mountain Stage New Jersey. But I think that was where they came out and Angry at me 'cause I set up a bit before to make a break in the group's reading Hamilton lost seconds. But I lost. I'd say about. What do you do that? Forty storm in England sake on a mania. He's the later you're telling me less time. Sergio Pisani the second And THE PINK JERSEY. We're leading the Jiro anyway and And and so. That was sort of my early memories of Jiro. In beat Barbie. We went through and He didn't he didn't go to the zoo crew. Concert than did you know went to skip. The three is like. Oh let's go. I mean Ghazali did start. Jiro extremely while he won the won that won a few days later as well. 'em Back in back in Italy and so it started extremely well for him and for the team. Do you remember the you know your reaction when you heard about his his tasks and whatnot might what that might mean. I'm I'm just trying to think back to the median. Things was waving the hotel we wake up in the morning and all of a sudden they almost this towel between their legs of what's coming what's going on why. Somebody's in Robie. Hunter was explaining everything in translating for me. So I don't know why was because we were roommates and so normally and then I remember admit some strategy and streaming couple is equally before all seat mercy tomorrow. No they waiting in the bus to silo and constructive stunt. Speak to anyone that look at anyone. Get on the bus and guy and they're still trying to say anything can do anything. We're going to Boston. Me Wayne was pretty horrible and then Gaza wanted to go home. He didn't WANNA rice. That had the pink Jersey remember like being the stage like four to eight and I'm going back in Kazan had extremes. So do I calm so I gave him turning drink because he he didn't he didn't Etienne drinking like at dinner. Because you know they stress and everything going on and And that that much our imaging the rice and then When he actually had to go on on Sunday bygone that we all speaking about a reis us. Yeah it's quite a while ago. I mean I guess more I was a team. Mapei that the you know that again coming from Dr Squinzi. There seemed to be a a strong moral code on the team. I mean did you. The the the you know events around Ghazali in the founding head to go home did that did that. Shake the team told the DOT. 'cause oh absolutely honest. Yeah absolutely and always pay. We were Jiro. We were leading Wisconsin. Good and they. They'll offer for this to happen. And then you know at this point. It's not always attain going away and people don't know in that the last year the team wait. It was because of that exactly. I'm not sure but some but Yeah it was town between their legs. And of course we're going from to under the ground and what are the due to you. Did they did it into knock you off your stride. Taller did you. Just Kinda get your head down and think right. Make the best of this or not at all because again. Always insulated lost in translation. Ignorance is underrated are. I didn't understand the full extent of everything going on so I just kept on going. We rice and that's what I do. It's always a professional athlete. My job as best as possible. Have you time me put a number on so I just kept following those and then we always actually slowing under the right our it? I'm moving up to. Bbn those to switch eating the telecom. Right Whose name escapes me right now. Who'd being a breakaway and take? Tom Was GonNa Crack Jens. Heppner hefner hit. That's right here. And it was h And he was going to crack one day and I was going to pink as the sitting. They have honoring my time by my time waiting for him to correct. 'cause we still side men in control things to go on and so always actually in a great position. Like you're self. Fisherman are way okay. All this had happened but all of a sudden it just I've been Self Pacino for me that one more time but I was efficient you professional team in about two right into the Pink Jersey and what am online was distraught to go and win win the Talia. I'm getting all come together quite like that but anyway I mean. What were you learning by yourself? I mean physically. I read that you were. You found stronger in the third week than you did earlier in the race. I mean what what was I doing to you mentally I in for your morale to feel that you were recovering while you were writing. Bathrooms race went on. We'll unleashes where going back to our officially professional allegory. I two in ignorance isn't a blessing lack of experience. Also so they think that I really learned afterwards After the experience was idea how tired you are under so wake of a three week tour. Especially if you're on JC. And the thing was I was getting really tired but always right into the Pink Jersey and I was thinking about my legs thinking about running and winning the two so I wasn't thinking about my legs and But getting really tired but also you get fatigue that say fatiguing. It's not like a fatigue give felt before I didn't know how fatigue was. And this is euphoria. Whatever was was bringing me through and so then win so I of and when we went back hot right Paul's and things of the famous stage a passer co at which really tried to delete Hatami my memory for Like on the climb before I blew up but I kept going euphoria motivation. Whatever and so they went. I I my tank but I kept going but then when I emptied. It was like I could walk. I could still write a book not straight line. But that's the most famous the biggest the biggest hunger flat in modern history cycling and to enjoy Nature Better Cadel Evans Savita confronted Amazon. Eddie QUARANTA PUT CATTLE EVANS Scottish mass to swallow Tennyson on that Jack Angles near even got the Eric Vertebral good. We need better watch all of this second to last crime namely data trone road full. Mckee back in two thousand one tool under student cycling work. Pull act on coach. Bobby remember I sold a car. At one point I was riding released just to to penetrate Than I get to car a CD carrying distance on the All Saints Team corrupted owed must have broken down something dots. Because I couldn't understand. Why was this on as I approached actually saw something pink in front of the car? O relies was cadaver in front of the Karam then utilized things must have must not have gone. Could for nothing onto was actually disaster also got up to KC LEN's basically. I was speaking to him but he will. He will stay people's in three D Reacting to to what I was speaking on sale come on. Let's go to the finish line on steady audrey good job anyway on on diagnostic to wind up with him to to the response. I mean I must have been diminished. Once when I did my job is just let go and went as sees as possible optic line on So-so to make up several minutes on him by going slow with Yeah he was Probably will be there remain but does for show his West they talking but probably one of the most spectacular bonk's seen for a long long time shirt shoot that I don't think about cost team on the back of the taxi. Pk and trump thing our coverage to remind me to tell you that tonight's episode is sponsored by lack. Locker is a community of cyclists working to ensure their bikes and equipment in the event of damage or loss ensuring that the premiums are lower on the in. The event of a claim are swifter. But don't take our word for. Let's hear from satisfied locker. Customer left in the Allston in London and I started cycling competitively this year so I did my first crit races in January. I got my bike in September. 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Podcast for Jira archives. Now near Dowa has been harvested from volumes forty five kilometers south of Syracuse on Sicily. The the gripes after harvesting led to semi joined the some concentrating. The fly is a little bit now. Remember tasting wine six months ago and remember the Dark Cherry. Five is the fresh cracker Pepper and a little bit of tobacco at the can't now all of those flavors follow-through onto the pallet with a really superb tax structure. That had me salivating for a child. Grew stike on a fire barbecue so more and more sausages or even a game casserole a really a one cries out some big flavors. We hope you enjoy. Well Daniel I've got my bottle in front of me here. What's the Swan please? One as we've just heard what it is obviously another seven we had narrowed avalon. You'll become a real expert on narrowed. Avalon A contextual. And I'm yeah this one dream united belittle bit more gripping than yesterday's Sort of firm. Italians I would say Lavazza means well. I think it's Sicilian means backwoods. Oh going against these boys the container Madina who produce they stay instead of pride themselves on going against the trends in modern winemaking again. Another very sort of consciously made wine fermented in these huge ancient concrete vats and lovely lovely recycled paper label natural cork in the wine. So yeah well. What do you make the wine? Lionel was come on hospital. Par Very nice lunch. A light lunch time we were looking for that. It is lunchtime and we are. We are just having a sip we should say am drink. Responsibly obviously we do have A wine partner for the GPO but we should them say to our listeners to drink responsibly. Don't overindulge on the wine and it's best in small quantities. Isn't it Daniel? Yes rich A dictum that you haven't always lived by but anyway they cycling. Five cast at our D'italia he supported by scientists sciences. Sport fueled by science. Thank you very much indeed to scientists sport for their supporter of cycling. Podcast extremely grateful to them and they've been with us since the Jiro in two thousand nine hundred sixteen and you can get twenty five percent off all your sciences sport products at Sciences Sports Com with the code. Sis CPI twenty-five Komo multiple touching game so then is going to able to decrease with obamacare. Manuel Garate K. corridors Columbia Salita Subaru get to the such museum. But I K- t- Minardi down to Scott Hamilton. Hamilton is because they are on every. Let me kind of duty suspect thousand okay. Go racing deface. Kilometers gets out of his particularity CADEL Evans took the Pink Jersey in the race. There isn't an awful long way to go at that point. Am The last climb. Yeah Tom Trial flat. Time trial forty kilometer troubling to Milan so iman line always had the team on the front too way down. Hamilton sell the daily. These guys it free Frigo as well was looking pretty good blue. Hamilton blue on blue and then sell. It was the last one to us I blog but he was already on his own by the and so he blew. We had to go seeks without making it. But then I went side Hod Hamilton. Freak out and they skies possibly again was doing the corner before. Actually but but some yeah. That's that's why also I wasn't thinking of fatigue though was because I was always a time-trial away from Milan and the last time. Trawl lower a full. Something and some of the Rod had made eliminated. Do it in front of me already. So it was like I had Well what I should have diamonds this for reading conservatively. Rice on its path and exerience. Will I mean so? In terms of the hunger fly 'em you know was it was simply a a fuelling mistake or you know what caused the of. It was for like I said I was. I was officially professional. So until September before six seven eight months earlier a dedicated the previous ten years Moloch to training for advancement lasted in longer in two and a half hours always now. We hit the bottom of the economy. I think possibly co we six House fifteen lake in six review on the book. It was a fourteen com or something in the the La Di of mountains in the wake of Jerry and six months isn't enough to go from a to our pure sugar dirtying aerobic machine to a three week to endurance athlete and that's where That's where yeah was was was like a little bit. Luckily experience but lack of physical conditioning but to get to that level of teasers tied rises use of three lakeside rices and then also the not not not understanding. The fatigue is because it's unlike any fatigue that experience before but then I can physically getting tyler mentally getting Todd Martin. Straight to my head gets todd before my legs to US Sunday. Yeah knowing those cues had to to Control or no control that deal with it on is all I mean is that the case may be the adrenaline carried you quite a long way and you know the the moment not run. The Body. Just kind of collapsed. Exactly yeah I I started what you Fauria as adrenaline combined with emotions combined with Yeah journaling before exactly. Do you remember how you felt that evening. I mean after struggling to the finish. And what what did you feel? Did you feel disappointment? Or are where you pragmatic bite thinking. I'm a first year Peru. I'll have more chances Not always pretty demoralized. While what is a huge opportunity lost Pretty demoralized about and I hope they actually and and I got over shortly after and K next year I think it'd be after wall look like I was going to ride the Vuelta and and We had the KOMO's Times. He mentioned that we go to lighter and And so yeah often idea so my going in my life and how to look ahead. Do you think I mean how do you one that Jiro? You know what would not have done to your career over the next few years. How do you think things might have been different? That's I think that's an interesting question. are form that interesting question because of course when the. Jiro were not lost the year. Look at it as a lost opportunity but then use lighter on the mighty like I look at the rods. Who come through really young and you look at them. Some rod come through and they will not be early and they never hear from them again. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise. It was crowded could the world what is capable but some had I had great success would obey now to continue it. Maybe but sometimes also successively. When when you when you're young young I was twenty. Five is some isn't always a good thing so So I look at it in the end. Indianapolis my career speak about deciding newsletter for two or three or four years afterwards of Costa I still regretted it and there wasn't going back. Olson's fucking decide what we spoke about and the fact that it was like a physical initially. It wasn't a look at the heat. Go Pechiney loss. But it wasn't was like a ninety huge lists or something. I gave everything I could had our rice. Delete more conservatively may be on that day. Things could have been different bridge. It was it was. I think eight years until you went back to the Jiro again and was just because your main focus became the third Franz was it because of the teams that you on void. No no I I as abroad people. What's your rights? I love this year. I really love riding gear and So it wasn't it was because I couldn't go when of course I I moved to the locker team in down. Their focus was the two are due to do. Well the two was everything else that's flanders and Rubai to do well to was everything for them so always recruited through G. The have a presence in humor ices but to to and have a presence in the JC thought of things in to France. Because I'd Robbie McEwen winning Rangers in someone search so that really became a tate Focus on the team which also accomplishment of the race to focus on the destruction the world. I'd also say from my home nation from stranded. Judo wasn't looked at as the as the as the big daddy of suckling world the two to France. Lloyd's was as well son finally enough that things went with the tour and the two thousand ten the reason we actually went back to the Jira was one. Because I'm reading up the near but some we were a continent pro-clinton infotainment wind too but we were selected for the Jira. So of course we're GONNA go to the Jira and so that was the main reason why am wo anyway. Why would that could you into dozen Cadel Evans and the story of the two thousand two? Go Talia I find it fascinating to hear him talk about not just the day that everybody remembers when he he suffered hunger knock 'em like few of us have seen before and I think the of time a law there were conclusions drawn about found that he'd been a a mountain bike and prompts wasn't used to six seven our road stages but left the bigger impression on me talking to was how important that was a nice experience with my pie was and the rest of his career as well and also find them very relaxed an open in a way that he props always seem to be during his career and especially you know maybe in the years when he was trying to win the of France and of course he went close several times before he did it in two thousand eleven. He was quite difficult. Guy To approach by then and and could snap 'em you know sometimes journalist famously and find him Enough far more kind of relaxed mode looking back at two thousand and two Judo Ritchie. He clearly does have very fond memories of the Mapei period. You most of the writers who were that. I'm another question is worth asking what posing as would Mapei have continued. The team continued. Gone on to win the JIRA purportedly. They left the sport because of Gaza positive tests In early in the rights which we mentioned. And you know how to Evans one who knows it. Dot Quincy might have been persuaded to to carry on but you know. I think much the same way that we talked about with KUNA go. The other day am Evans was almost in sort of elevated divided into a bit of a false positional created false expectations almost in spite of himself. Wasn't he's full. He ended up in the Pink Jersey That Day. But he was really. He didn't have the experience on the road to for people to realistically expect him to bring it home on. Damn it took him a long time. Then to sort of learn everything you needed to learn to finally Happily him crystallized bring that all together and win the twitter France in two thousand and eleven. Yeah it feels like that was the start of that project in a way. Doesn't it and when you watch the footage it's a very kind of it was. It wasn't not young at the time you know he was. He was twenty five but he was quite scrawny. And when you look at you know Evans in two thousand eight nine ten eleven he'd become far. It seems stock here more physically a slightly different specimen to the very kind of you know quite scrawny athlete that we saw in two thousand two. Yeah just loss. -Ly could record the jared Italian as well really fourteenth in the end in two thousand and two after that collapse towards the end of the race. didn't go back again into two thousand and ten when he wore the Pink Jersey for day eventually finished fifth overall. But also one that really memorable state will revisit the one on the white roads when it rained all day and became a real modern epic. If I'm allowed to use that word third in two thousand thirteen and eight in two thousand fourteen with another few days in the Pink Jersey so a good relationship with Jira and when you look at overall grand tour record Yeah it wasn't. It was a long scramble to get to a position to win the Tour de France in two thousand eleven and while the whole journey started in two thousand and two. Didn't it? Well that's all for an hour. Jiro and not staged six done and dusted with tomorrow on the agenda on the menu for tomorrow. Well we're hitting the mainland only chats. We're GONNA take the infamous ferry from Messina as I said we might even I've actually got helicopter picked you. Of course of course we who knows you might even here some highlights or lowlights from One of those trips tomorrow but we we got into the mainland. We're going to stay in. Hug The coast tomorrow. Chiro will be happy. We're GONNA head from throw pair which is famous for. Its red onions. I've never been there but I've always wanted to go because it's a beautiful little bay and as I say very famous in in Italy red onions. And we're GONNA go from that to play on. Mata hugging the coast and It would be sprinter's stage so we're GONNA talk about sprinter and we're GonNa talk about Mightier Cipollini and it's going to be complicated chops. I hope you ready for this. I'm going to be too complicated days for us because we now have to pick our way around this `Nigma 's on contradictions of Mario Cipollini in the light and the shade of the Lion King. Who you've been watching net flicks recently might also be compared to a tiga king in certain respects. I'm not sure he would welcome that comparison but anyway we'll gallon two Mario Cipollini tomorrow before we go tonight am some thank Yous to friends of the podcast and reminder if you sign up as a friend of the podcast at the moment and you will be able to watch our first film and so we ruled knots available for a month until June the eleventh origin the tenth. I can't remember which for Friends of the podcast and so for me a big. Thank you to Kneel Gulf Paul Deacon Luke Edwards Clyde Right Andy Peterson an Harvey Smith. And thank you to stand McDonald Greg Sale David Funk Eric Johnson Chris McNamara and Brendan Kim Seller and for me to Eric Joshua Doyle Roger Simon Watson Dan Hayes and Grahn Young Richard Free again and again. This show shot said. We'll speak with big de.

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It's been a week fig do with your mum less night you ready what what's already lineman for the county and drive them main role Ooh channon son here saying and why <music> tall is still own the small vacation you don't and it fits knows that stretch down south bone stand stray. The suit looks good big noise here to see. It'd be great if I could maintain this for an hour. I think it'd be really fun if one day you couldn't make it the podcast you sent Phil Anselmo and said didn't really like tell me it was like oh by the way I can't do this feels coming figuring Chevy corvair. We're going to bomb down pulls up like a Chevy Corsica Ninety Chevy the first coup oh every now every impression that has to be sick feeling so both is with the first two hours of Surrey and he's like he's like he apologized apologetic when he's a little bit of a teddy bear when he say goods would could today. It was like just woulda Coulda your girlfriend. That's okay. I guess I mean it's better that fucking my girlfriend 'cause. You're a very violent pizza. Watch the I._T.. Crowd girlfriends night world recover well both of what a cuddle your girlfriend never rubbed my feet. She's got an emory board which you do apply foot cream to my feet to the heat tonight now. If you gave Phil on some oh a sick pedicure while he's sick doc while he's savings snotty tissues all over the bed vulcan curl gets too close to the cuticle vulgar vulgar vulgar Girvan L- I can't do fucking hostile career who was so I've found when I- podcast I need something to fidget with net. I need fidget spinner. Okay I mean you have that he does that. I mean I have a little piece of plastic and a screwdriver them down to explain to a young boy. I'll set here's a fucking sad stubby too hard Dick and here's of my release receptacle tickle much like your self stubby too hard Dick team boy and <hes> and the woman is merely receptacle out there rate some hearts. Let me teach you how to fake it does act like your pain like <hes> archer back I and be like wow wow that was great. That was really memorable. Not only great was it was memorable. I will remember that always. I know I have to go. I will remember that for the rest like I say it. I laugh. I'll remember that for the rest. Let see you can be more convincing. I love playing game okay <music>. Although although I I will remember that for the rest of my life all right that was like wow you know that was <hes> until you I tell you I tell you and now I have to go. I think of that. Oh my ride's here. Oh my Uber Uber totally early member memoir men neuro. Oh Shit Might Uber's here very insist low okay yeah. I guess he's in a rush. Its peak peak pricing right now. This is costing me eight dollars per se surging right now <hes> you. Where's my schumer my shoes? What are my keys? Where Am I? Where's my phone? I gotta go that was great that was great year great number one all time hopes at the wrong button. Wow Yeah you wanNA buddy and then typically the driver that's right. That's him getting out of the car with music playing in the background a little pastiche yeah you want to nutty like the chances of a pig being uber driver somewhere not that low reasonable really high wow we're entering a new world doubling up on samples pig Zuber out front and he's still busy fucking great. You know it's stuck. I don't know what's going to happen the entire I think it is like the best part <hes> so sounded is upset. Everybody not that every episode isn't the sound effects episode however we are in the same room doing another rumor that other rumor the rumor has it that we're in the same room in the rumors are true. I'm Andrew how are you. I'm good. I'm good I am <hes> I'm a little sleepy and I've been playing in pedal steel for like three hours. My fingers hurt middle digits. Sir will soar explain to people how difficult it is to play the pedal states ridiculous and stupid and I hate it and unaware ever bought one because I'm not very good at it but it is hard because you're using using your left foot and you're right foot separately but then also you're right knee and then your both your hands it's a lot I don't think I could do it. It looks really cool yeah. It's a good looking good looking day. I have an amp in my room that it's totally a table good-looking stool. I really need to start playing guitar again. Area fifty one shit yeah I like I got I thought it was interesting. I in the Internet just really fucking ran it into the ground like immediate fucking like booker not fucking pile driver into the ground. What I love is that it started as a semi serious thing people were like and then the thing to start it off the thing that set it all off with somebody asking if there was an uber to go to so you think an uber would take me from L._A.? Area fifty one but my favorite thing ever is when they say they can't stop all of us because a certain no question no fucking question can stop all of us. I'm honestly I'm going to Vegas just to put odds on them. Stopping all of you handling but the thing is that like the government has actually been alerted to the fact that the people are posting in the event like every one minute. I just looked at a bunch. I was actually caught it before. People were really posting a lot of crap in it and it was like people were like who's been waiting a long time for this and it was really stupid. <hes> I think that if people actually show up it will make national news. There'll be like how many people supposed to go fifty thousand million yet lake nine thousand nine hundred people will show up mill around like near the <hes> near the entrance. It'll be fucking Kony twenty nineteen. I love it I sent you that video of the dancer near like this is a bit that was a lot holy shit. It was really good. I liked it that that fucking video the storyline oh I love okay I forgot the name of the video is but you have to look it up because it's it's incorporates. The mean of the guy called. I think his name is Ricardo. It sounds right and <hes> see where it is and it's it's. He's invading area fifty one. He's the guy the guy who's the body the male body dancer he's dressed in red white and blue and this is the music to it really but as a bunch of Ricardo's dancing and it's like his ashes out on everything but they're basically the gist of it is that he <hes> goes in area fifty one and kills the four soldiers that are guarding the place and then the aliens and they start dancing together which is queue and then one of the aliens takes a bullet for him and then they end up in bed together but then another alien comes out and avenge is the one dead one. I like when they show all the DEG Ricardo's. It's just him at the bottom of push-up really really good with a red like square because it's done paint like a red it's great and then when the alien is at the Green Square my favorite Shit I love that's why I love the Internet. That's why I love. The Internet is such a Mitzvah. It's unbelievable. It's <hes> yeah and <hes> so my friend my co workers. We're talking about the study. That was a real thing area fifty one God. I don't know man they're the crazy thing is my mic to co workers. Here's our post millennials and they actually are like. I don't know what the fuck were called because I talked among those like so. What are you guys because they're like twenty one twenty two whiz kids? You know like oh I'm going to I'm going to Grad School for Excel like macos dudes and I was like well. What do you call yourselves and they're like I don't know but we we don't like anybody so I hope that the new generation is going to be like we don't like anybody? I think that's sort of how it's going and it's like no one really wants to talk much about added via. It's like it's the fucking generation black pill because I'm a Gen xer and I think you are too unlike right on the everything in my life. I'm right on the cost. I think we're KOSPI's and it must be true in the Zodiac Emma Kospi two. I'm a triple cancer watch out my birthday was last week. I remember triple cancer. Just let everybody now good rooms. <hes> women on instagram like making fuck and like a walk in a yard around you triple cancer like no no. I'll always may I think just give off that weird energy. It's weird because I do <hes> you know I do give kind of a weird energy. Somebody told me once that's true but I don't know why Moniz the beaches weird like look weird but I don't know why I've think I've gone through great strains to be not weird anymore. I think that's the weird energy great pains and not be weird. Let's go great pains. I mean I'm always be a Weirdo but I don't know why why that is now. I ended up but I ended up dating people who are very very weird because their their approach me the they're. They're drawn to the weird energy. I think so. I'm like a Weirdo magnet but I you know whenever I love being myself but so we're at the one overnight drive to overnight drive the the state ooh that when we decided this is the room that was too hot to record in last time it's beautiful I mean I can't speak for how it will be at the end but it is very beautiful so one overnight to overnight drive state. That's a bad name. We have to come up with a better name. Let's brainstorm storm fuck overnight. Dr Acres acres perfect here. We are in D. acres. I like how we just did that. We're really taskmasters. I'd hire both of it actually occurs me. We should have done this outside. Oh well. It's been nice and cool reigned in a run some cable outside well we get the people we brought lawn and Steve with us. Salons on the roof is on the run loves the roof man. He's like a he's like an animal he's up there and he sees as his cap flipped backwards with south with like not sunglasses but those shooting lousy and he's like he has it <hes> yeah. It was one of those fifty caliber sniper. <unk> rifles and he's like ready to go. He's like the go and he doesn't really like he talks Steve A lot. They're tight they once they went down to the coffee is about down the street earlier and I saw them walking back and I beep the Horn and lawn on turned around and hold us forty five and I was like Whoa he's like full security at all times and then he said full security at all times. Steve just looks at him like glowing. I think they're together. There's something happening there. There's something really I should've shooting glasses like that. I think you should I think I will. I think you should enter your Hunter Thompson period where you have like yes because he had a room I watched because I had nothing else to do. I watched the whole Hunter S. Thompson Documentary and he had a with the the the three hundred dollars. Whatever he bought like a ranch in Colorado? The first book like book money got and he stayed there until his death but he had one room in his house that was much like my father has his command center. It was just the room where he did all of his writing and pins stuff to the wall and did that overwrought Corny Shit that he he was really famous <hes> and the Gonzo stuff and whatever but I think you should do that I think I will. I remember reading thing where Johnny Depp said he stayed there with them. We learned learned his mannerisms sounds made up totally made up but slept on something and then the next morning he was like what was that barrel next to my head and he was like Oh that's explosives okay cool edge award the first like an edge Lord Johnny Depp there the first edge lord by Johnny Depp and I think no Thompson was the first Lord that's true because he's like I wake up and I'd take ill and then I wash it down with Chivas Regal and then he used to walk into a bar and say push people away to get to his his stool is that's nice to have a nightcap of my girlfriend. It's probably a bar attached motel so Hojo's Joe next to another. I I need to go get her. Hey who the fuck is this you donate to chivas regal over ice goes favorite drink with chivas regal over is the more I read about this guy the less cool years yeah. It's like it's really cool. When you're twenty one and not Great App for your twenty one? What I loved was that he <hes> sailed a million like ships of dudes who are like? I'm just going to write forever. Yes of course you are. Oh God I was that I was in school with so so many of those people. What do you go bill they managing? It's not even managing like they just moved back home with her folks just kind of like working on their hometown just trying to try to rub two nickels together and make it work just rope John a rub into nipples together honestly by you know I've had a lot of women since Janey Bud they'll always be gaining and then then you're like and people he he'll say because I've spent enough time in local bars yeah. I don't know because there's enough. There's dudes who will say that open ended ended she hit and then people will be like so who's Johnny and the bill on your thoughts. You never sit down. Let me spend your yard Barkeep Chivas Regal under rocks. We only serve beer here on a catastrophe is falling US Jesus. I got my big boss day to admit that he only drinks fifteen percent beer all right because he we had this whole thing my guy my co workers name is drew. We golden drew the glue. He hates it. He really hates it and <hes> he was like I don't know what the talk is dude about because he's a dude who's like severely unapproachable but in the nice way he just said you don't know what to talk to him about so we're like all right well. Everybody's trying different things like always from Seattle of course and we'll talk to him about supports and he's like I don't I only really like youth soccer. Who God it's like okay then when dude is like am talk to him about motorcycles and that guy only ride Kawasaki and these are all right but today I was like <hes> at a nowhere because I was just like in a weird I wanNA weird good moon because I had a bunch of vitamins? I started tracking want to eat but I check my real way. There's this APP and it tells you what vitamins are deficient in. You have to track your food for two weeks and then it says okay you're. You're not getting enough of this so I started taking to supplement and like it was turned out was vitamin Z.. Okay I feel fucking great so when I feel great I turn into a bit of a swashbuckler yes. I've noticed this and I said hey drink beer and he turned around as do I and then he talked all about how he doesn't drink things. He can't never drink something you can you can see through. He used that Eddie Van Halen fucking the Eddie Van halen quote is like never drink anything you can see through wow and like he's like I only drink the darkest of dark beers and then I was talking about beer here for fifteen minutes and then he's like all right. Well some worked on C. later. Everyone looked at me like you crack crack. The fucking code and people have been trying for months to crack the code with garbage fucking Bruce. I was GONNA I was like getting to the point where they're gonNA start talking about hits and shit like what are you. What's your what you search which porn hub search reporting them so Jones will get the year rental about you wanted to check track a couple of girls for tonight? You've been out here. You've been out here all night and this is all you made that kind of thing. That's that now that that book and Epstein should happen that all those dudes who were like sketchy a few months ago really trying to fly right. Oh yeah they're trying to go to fly rights studios. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. I have you followed. How many people are caught up in this? I know I haven't I haven't been able to read. It's fucking thing I mean. My favorite thing is that <hes> Bill Clinton copped being on the on the plane before tonight without Secret Service he they have receipts for him. Being on there like thirty two times like it's it's bad had add like Steven. PINKER is caught up in this the fucking science author like Jesus George George Stephanopoulos Fuck in a they got into but it was all like one or two girl heroine. Was I going one or two girls right. I guess so my favorite part is so the way it worked. He was a hedge fund manager that you couldn't invest in his fund so the Hedge Fund was just a spot to put money for people who paid him hush money. It's fucking insane. It's wild. There's actually a theory that I'm kind of almost with now that <hes> people knew that this was going to come out who is going to be a massive thing and that pizza gate was a cy out to prepare people for it pizza gate yeah. Oh Oh you know this area fifty one things asya before we really reveal the existence. You know I'm going to see my father this weekend. Oh yes thank and I'm GonNa Talk. I'm actually going to engage in with him in politics just so I can have and talk about this topic at the gate Broil a fucking gasket. I won't call I won't call him now because he will definitely say things that we shouldn't put on the air off the vet him learn record him saying these things but <hes> like I said we're in a rural area like pretty far in trees right now. Yeah pretty far removed from civilization but there is a gestation. There's a speedway station so I went in there today right before we came here and I made I love when I make observations nations because a lot of times I think a lot of times. I think that I'm getting dull and don't observe things like the way I was when I was on antidepressants. I know what you mean. Yeah kind do you I do. I feel that too. I I get very Fuzzy Ozzie and I don't notice things why when I endure stress or I go through some stike weirdly like stuff that I can't I can't handle but it is stress and my life is like I I don't. I don't handle change particularly well but I do but they do it but my brain just makes my brain fuzzy and I'm like I feel myself like this. The only thing I look is my windshield like I'm not actually looking at anything you know and like but I looked to my left and at the speedway they had a brand of condoms called invisible. I'm wearing invisibles. That's fine yeah and it was like oh no. I'm wearing wanted just invisible. It's great but do you open open the package and is there's nothing in a little ghost from Mars brothers comes out if I may if I may simulate the way it would be with me. I'd be like Oh really long roll down yeah. We should just sell condom wrappers that are empty so there's just just an empty condom wrapper you throw in the nightstand and then you fucking contract whatever it is. You're gonNA Contri- climate young people just don't even consider condoms anymore. My Lord No really strange. They don't know it's it's not even the thing it's Polin. Pray Wow now now fucking black generation holy shit over the winter I engaged in and of course the woman and I want to arrange for the rubbers and and she liked laughed it was novel or cute or like she's sleeping with fucking Humphrey Bogart or something like Oh that's neat and then they made a face and then like a smirke face and I was like they do feel old. Tech Cohen now that I think about people laughing at them. Joe Feels important though are condoms altech. I feel yeah definitely old sack right. Yeah con was tech because the World War Two guys put on the ends of their rifles or the rifles wouldn't get waterline go John McCain when he got shot down. He had a prophet prophylactic that he that he drunk drank water out of I think somebody did maybe it was John Glenn Narrows Fucking Stockdale or some some Shit Oh genera Admiral Stockdale who was famous for saying you're no Jack Kennedy remember now. I don't remember that those Lloyd Bentson never mind when he was like Oh a Clinton Co conspirator senator but they were flying to African nations right but we talking about wait hold on a law jumping all fucking you know when all over the Clinton was on the planes okay but they the I read the Epstein Plane Epstein Plane Okay which was the name of my new indie band. The Epstein planes were flying to Kenya where they and Swaziland interesting. Maybe that's what that ministry songs all about had V and he's very prescient yeah. Why did he say <music>? I'm going what did he say. I don't know I'm Bill Clinton. I love young girls. Why did he say see? Nobody is one person got that but that's fine. Maybe I'll organs listening when that be neat the Clinton Planes Yeah I could you heard about the the cameras right yeah I heard about. I know I read the problem with my fucking job as I like to sit and read shit until something happens because that's basically what I do as a dispatch Kinda guy just wait until some happens and then I then I re act but everything else is like reading like The Times Union. Reading deadspin are like writing shit out or something like that and it's like so I'm like I should have just been reading about this because it's fast. It is fucking fucking wild seems like a really really has teeth because this dude seems like he's going to admit to everything and put the world on. It's fucking ear. Yeah it's GONNA be. He's GonNa kill himself with two shots at the back of his head or she killed for the initials of national security. That's exactly what I'm saying. That'll be <hes> well. It's weird he hung himself and then shot himself from twenty yards with a rifle of fucking dedicated way to kill yourself. There is Charlie Wilson's war yeah once or twice not a great movie however the character that Philip Seymour Hoffman played. I remember him being really good and I want to be that dude. When I'm like fifty be like why bugged the bugged Whiskey ski bottle yeah? I just remembered something where he's was complaining. That Afghanistan wouldn't build like they won't build any fucking roads there. Are I love because it's really inside baseball like they're arguing over what Swiss weapon system to get to shoot down the am I twenty four Hind helicopters prominently featured in Red Dawn <hes> very cool also very cool also nate boyer the this. This is a sinker mysticism. This isn't everything lines up. I watched that the next day he's thinking of Red Dawn. I was looking for Red Dawn but then this documentary came on about Nate Boyer who was a Green Beret then he ended up joining the Seattle seahawks awesome like is fifteen minutes. I'll watch this picture of him standing next to a tank and he spray painted wolverines on the to- so good. How cool is that and I was like I'm looking to watch that fucking film and I'm not a movie? It's not a movie fucking movie at film. It's a you when you go to I._F._C. and you. You expect to see something. That's that's the shit that's the shit that needs we should probably do we should do a million talk over <hes> my God yes all right. We'll do we'll do. We've never done a red dawn tug over and we can't get to all my on my most favorite moment in the whole movie. I'd fucking should be it's. It's our citizen Kane. Do you know what my favorite apartment. I think I do tell me avenge me. No eventually is not your favorite part part of the movie. Are you fucking mad. It's very close of injury is very very close no and they go over the the bump and they beep the Horn on accident. Oh sure okay that's I laughed at that when I was a kid and my parents looked at me like crazy and <hes> but that's my favorite wow all right well now. We gotTA talk this over. I also had another thought we should talk over <hes> like U._K.. Decay or decline decline of Western civilization or some shit decline of Western civilization part who yeah the metal years because that's the one where he's lack they interviewing bands like Paris and Odin and all these like third and fourth and fifth tier terrible terribles yeah like Ozzy and Paul Stanley and in bands you have never fucking fucked with been named London that every major like sunset stripper bass guitarist singer was in at one point and it was just the singer are and then like every hotshot like our oil table yeah but they all went through that band and hit and on the on the stairway to stardom and he and they show him like an eighty eight just like in the half full club like get your motor motor run and my covering born to be wild and it's so bad enough years to rewatch. That's the best 'cause they interview. The Penelope. Spirits acts asks everybody the same question like what are you GonNa do if you don't make it and everybody's like. Oh but I will make it. I have no question a half to there's no question in my mind I'll definitely but it's like spread out over like thirty different people and he's was draining the delusion that music puts in your head which I love. I love that Ed fucking era of being in Los Angeles like nine hundred eighty three to nineteen eighty-eight movies that came out during that with no budget were fucking amazing Holy Shit unreal wonderfully good <hes> and they should but it's great beginning they also show the economic disparity much like Morton Downey junior did fairly came in and goofed on them goof on circus of power where it's is Paul Stanley lying in a bed full of women yet so good. It's like a camera descending from the ceiling talking to them. It's excellent or Ozzie so drunk in the morning that he is pouring orange juice in forgets. He's pouring the orange juice and it's just going all over everywhere. That's my fucking favorite thing ever <hes> but hold on a second here robocop is done. I uploaded. I'll do that tonight and then we'll do read on knack for like a minute next leaks. We can do it now. We're at our best when when we're together in talking about stuff that is yes I agree yes so we all have woods the woodstock announcement wow all right because I have very special announcement woodstock fifty to try to go to Verona own a New York which is right outside Watkins Glen and the town board said no good nice now they have. I'm Jacky us. They have a month to put this together. We they've been in a month. They've already paid the artists. Who can we just no one likes music anymore? It's not like no one cares. Nobody's going to Verona New York in the middle of August but the problem is that because was like nine was such a disaster where people died and women were raped in a state trooper almost died and they burned down an air force base like there's no way you're GONNA get insurance for that or zoning and they're like well the but they pointed out there like we have a month to do do this. We don't want and this is our old people saying this. You have a month to do this. We don't want another fire fest on our hands like they had to deal with the first fire. Fast like smoking might have won on your hands. Man legless refund the money a true all people I love is that the when people who are into freedom and love. It's like when you're at a basement shown is not going well and the people who are the most folks start getting the most cranky. I'll which is the best. This is what basically what happened at the first woodstock. That's why all these announcements just came out because Rhino records in their infinite wisdom released a thirty eight CD box set of everything recorded woodstock like anyone's going to buy that WHO in the hell listen to the CDs anymore I will people who would buy that. Listeners honestly think that there's a huge boomer market for it and they're going to sell us out of them. Goddamn but all the announcements came out but I think that parallels between Hartford speeches and this sounds like a hard. I have hard cam. Oh let's have hard show show everybody started Oh. It's like a fish story. Every time you tell the story of the fish gets bigger and bigger and bigger. It's like anything about it well. It was great because they're like well. There's eight thousand people here. It's the biggest hardcore show ever and then then two hours later ten thousand two hundred people it's the biggest show ever and then I can imagine the deliberations where like we'll office. Buildings has got to be leased the guy with the bike say one hundred thousand people showed up and then like nst and people I know win and they got sunburned and they sat him not shocked and they said there was a lot of crying yet. I'm also not remember from our tour with them in a Vega barely remember <hes> but they <hes> there's a lot of people crying feeling very strong feelings the very strong feelings and I love the my favorite was the the nobody's going to address the fish story the Tall Tale that was coming when people are like well. It might've been like twenty thousand just wait until like two years from now. It'll be fucking. It'll be obscene. They stopped traffic yeah. Oh I ninety was actually showdown. I heard it's true you know. It was a shutdown in all the public transit actually stopped. It's Wrestlemainia people-to-people hours to get home fucking crazy. It'll become things they heard about in the Philadelphia Eagles fucking like riots and then transposed transposed onto Boston for have heart and then have released their new album things we heard about which is the best name for a hardcore record. I think ever things we heard about new social special and actually we have. I have some some recordings of <hes> the concert. Would you like to hear it. Yes they would lead. Well not not not at all. The men actually was rick to life. Invoke this menace US named King R._T._l.. Yeah both on our phones. Here's a really engaging episode cool. Oh perfect okay. I found my favorite not available in commercial but I found my favorite favorite pre pre show banter of all time. Okay I'm ready. I actually actually watched this before is really really fucking funny. They have a good time. You know life is good when the rhythm is right. Wait Oh so enjoy we have actually have the recording of the have heart concert here. Please okay <hes> this is unauthorized. Nobody no home. Taping is destroying hardcore. Don't do it but this is the this is the have art show rhythms right. Wow sound different. This is very strange. I understand a couple of people born here so we added to the population by I think too I was born at heart. Show is good. Life is good <music> Bongo Bongo part okay well. That's how far this is not how I remember them a lot of people there though who's on bongos somebody Irish probably in Boston. This is so strange last part of it was high energy high energy show many people wearing robes. I'll I'll forget about the king get ready to start the pit really right South fucking boring. This is actually Mickey Hart and Planet Drum Full Concert from one sock ninety nine before okay for the flames I gotta I heard that a couple of people have been born here. <hes> the music's right Brooke everything's good when the rhythms and would you agree that everything's good when the rhythms right yeah. I just wanted to let you know the hells angels hit Mardi Belem in the face and knocked him out the Hells Angels hit Pat Flynn in the face knocking turnout real cool man with a rule hill's angels note my friend My friend Pat Flynn and it's just not very cool man cue and then an old shell still Silverstein Zina's. They're getting his ass kicked. Yeah cool all right well. That was so strange bit. We just did right there. I'm not sure I'm not sure where to put that one. Now put on the figure lost you now. You're back okay. I'm back. I'm back. I'm God wife would have been over if you lost <hes>. How long are we going for? Maybe we should do forty minutes. I'd say a good five or six of that was us <hes> saying things. We can't say ah on the PODCAST moving. What can't we say on the podcast terrible thing if anybody's wondering what's going on I tell you how this is being made the second set? My mic stand keeps falling down so I'm keep getting lower. I've been doing that. I'm fine rhythm. Everything's fine on the rhythm is right and should we read some questions Andrew through it. Sorry I hate gonNA podcast my bed. Okay <hes> all right in your you handle. I'll do. I'll do the Tumbler Yeah Together we oh I get that I tell you I get all of our overnight. Dr Instagram messages popped up but I don't want but I can't turn them off. Uh Now they're so now I just and I assume that you're active on the account so I just like leave them now. Mike he'll get them eventually but then like no they still sit and then after like two weeks and my faulk I opened a bunch of them and and get rid career. Hey boys up in Lake George this week with my family and on our way up we stopped at the New Baltimore Rest stop by Dad went Roy Rogers coffee and they got mad at him because he said his coffee up at the self serve station before paying are all the way is backwards ass as new Baltimore. That's a pretty special. One special one has got its own water tower. I was at New Baltimore. Actually really you got to go you take the that's the hardest one. That's not an easy on easy. Oh No it's not now. They spent a lot of my tax money in the visitor center across the way it appears to have no specific purpose says I love New York real big really cool. I'd love to see the total on what that cost fifty million dollars welcome to New York Yeah. There's one up near my parents. It's like that to any <hes> any thoughts on Jason Molina Slash Songs Ohio or the Magnolia Electric Company. I've no thoughts on this whatsoever. He had that one song love leaves. It's abuser that I remember the people I was dating waiting to give me into. It and I said no good yeah I. That was one of those things I'm just like. I'll I'll listen to fucking smog all day but that I'm not fucking with. Oh Yeah. It's way too dramatic Mike. I think that overall like guy looks like a gas station attendant who like it looks like he works at the remember when gas stations also had auto service places he looks at the guy who works at the auto service plays exactly who like will ring you out when the person working the registers on break can you covered and describing a grease monkey. He looks like Grease Grease monkey exactly and I don't know like I can't get down with the sadness and then like I mean because that shows us on path so why so sad but then I think he tragically killed himself. Oh yeah okay or at least people acted like he did but I need to look that up now because you know those like fell into a grain thresher fifty seven even Chevy fell on his chest the car he was working on fell on him. He got actually who was there. Is that that Russian kid that actor who his his he ran over himself like he drove up a hill and then went down to close the gate in the car back over really fucked up. Oh Jason Merlin died of organ failure due to alcohol consumption go all right so hard kill himself just as he did. He played the long game you did he play the long game he had a wife and a successful music career and he could have done anything and said he did nothing now. Nobody cares so good job. Self fulfilling prophecy prophecy anonymous said I love the Osama bin Rockin bit. Thank you for naming it. We weren't producer now <hes> but I can't get the image out of my head of him. Crushing Beers with his tall boys thin lizzy but out of the corner of his eye he sees a drone and the distance or seal team sneaking into the Party and cuts and runs like it's Dukes of Hazzard film that please film that that'd be great finally makes it to American soil and he just wants to chill but the decising GonNa love it so much if it was boss Hogg Getting Really Magsi couldn't catch Osama bin Laden when the General Sherman but it has like the Islamic flag like when the dukes would escape the chickasaw county whether like Oh we can't we can't cross gin a different jurisdiction then the other more much more forgiving African American sheriff it'd be like I just don't WanNa see you boys around here again and then one time he took him into his house to wait till nightfall because roscoe got a got a one day Roscoe in boss got a one day reprieve from the governor to cross into chickasaw county to find him all right and then it was a very a very special dukes of hazzard where they learned to accept your fellow. You're set your brother regardless of the color of his skin and Dukes of Hazzard book so it was a real thing might of the stars and bars in the on the roof but the different time guys guys different. Different guys now is it was cute back then Tom Whoa pat looked me right in the eyes and said your pride is your loyalty to this land. That doesn't seem that much different. This was only last week I met him on. The street is like Whoa. You're T._V.'s Tom Whoa Pat. He's not on TV anymore and I said but you were and he's like you were put here. You're white man was put here to clean the veins of this nation. <hes> I said wow like what's John Schneider up to and he's like I don't WanNa talk about Oh wow. I don't think they air that show anymore. No they don't think that was their way out. I actually when they when they stopped airing it. It's the same thing with like the bit players who were living off the fumes. The cosby show like they're getting like maybe seven hundred bucks a month in royalties still because they shouldn't like I dunno fucking like like Spain. They show the cosby show's checked it at night or something yeah exactly so but now dudes he's like the the they clown for working at fucking trader Joe's that would like the handmade me so fucking mad holy Shih I got so angry. This'll mad about that but then the guy's like I have to work like you guys I. I do like one T._v.. Thing a year but that's not enough if money I have to work on. What do you think I'm fucking printing money? Be Saying fucking fools who were like trying to dismantle capitalism laughing at this dude working trader Joe's knocked the fucking heads thing that unbelievable who it is yes yes. It's all this dismantle capitalism imperfect and people don't even really know what it means. Would I love to say Shit I actually want to I just want to walk around and just fucking get socratic with people and just because you don't actually you don't know you think words. Are you think words dictate reality. That's Dad I fascinated. I hate what's name are most hated hot takes an order God because there are a lot of them. I haven't looked at heartaches. Today's kind of like just in general break general hot. I mean you know my fucking thing this fucking nonsense fake student socialism. It's so so badly yeah like no ethical consumption under capitalism you don't you're talking about first of all you just tweeted that for an iphone second of all like Yo and in the same breath defending pay waitstaff half a normal wage what under your under your dirt under your guy under your ideas we won't known we'll get paid at all. It'll just be a give and take it'll be like one big food not bombs table. Yeah my favorite thing. Actually my my a number one. It's too big. It's whatever when people <hes> yeah when it's like we need fifty dollars an hour for the Taco bell workers and we need free healthcare for everybody no matter what right and all the student loan forgiveness but also dismantle the system that provides all also dismantle the system and then these are the same people who come back from their vacation may Orca and go like God the roads here are really messed up. Yeah you're saying the same thing like there is a finite amount of resources. You can only do things one time. Which motherfucking thing do you want getting done? I don't give a shit. Just tell me which one and we'll do it. Give it give it a go like you want the cantilever and the B- Qaeda fall down over and gets healthcare. I I don't fucking care that sounds great sounds fucking wonderful. Just pick one who gone and now I see I see you looking for the thing it's not avenue. Never ready when we get the sampler over here working. We'll in queue that up didn't have already got damn it <hes> all right well yeah. That's my my <hes> my heartache yet. I very much the same in line with that. <hes> I also my heartache is a a restaurant and bar defenders beaming example this like people. There's people are like Hashtag large strong god-like got shout out like people who treat bartenders and bar staff like like they're royalty and go there to Oh is a thrill to see the staff so good or win like a person who used to bartend at a bar comes back and his bartending for only one night oh God the so the they have and they make a facebook event about it like I guess he was coming back to Barton Virginia's one night at Stewart's guess who's coming to make fucking bacon egg and cheese is a five in the morning day Sheila Sheila who loved and then he's coming back for one. Guess who's going to call all out who's WHO's at what pump for four hours Blue Van Blue van getting gas white van ever seen Stewart's like blue van white van they keep calling it out seeing those who's GonNa Guess is going to be scuba crumbs long the law offer four hours. It's Sheila coming back. <hes> we thought she was gone and here she is. She's back guess what she miscarried and she's back. She miscarried. She kicked that dude out of the house she he's not on her flagging elise and he's he's back working. Stewards gave out fake Red Bulls or free pay sure you don't want something to eat with that now and you know really know my super. Don't want that. I not last Simos here but the time before I was leaving town and I just get something to eat really quick and I ate at Stewart's fucking got. All I remember like peanut butter role or some pinball hard rules are awful. Listen to your heart these dreams I just trying to think of like he leaving at Stewart's <music> romantic being up here. It's hard to not go to Stewart's like fucking top muscle memories of fucking real good I get up here and I immediately fall back into old habits stewards right near my work and I drive by every every morning and I'm like hm well after working three minutes but I think I can call it <hes>. No it's really bad gonNA forget work. New Habit grooves in my love it <hes> well. I'm going to read a couple more. We have a bunch of questions from the same person mm-hmm which is good and bad thoughts on Rodney Dangerfield. What's his best film? This is a tough one. I think we're going to different this. One the category we both blurted it out all right one have do have it yeah one two three that easy money under sizing money. Oh my God you've never seen easy mile. Wow Oh all right. I'll put put this up. Put have I told you about my movie list now. Well I mean I'm sure cumulatively over time you have okay so my in my mind is a list of movies. I've been meaning to watch for like a minute. Now it say yeah I probably started it when I was in the theater so like things that I know aren't particularly great but I'm like I never saw gangs of New York at some point. I'll watch it. You know it's whatever I it occurred to me a few days ago. This list has now gotten so long that it's is likely I will not be able to complete it in my lifetime. Mike I'll die before this movie list is over and that's really sad so now I get really mindful but new movies that I haven't seen the early movies. I haven't seen yet where I'm like. Oh Shit. I got a right boy. Do I place this. I mean if I if I see easy easy money. Does it mean I'll never get to see the prestige then what I think you'll be okay the morth's one movie out of all of them that you haven't seen the Tanya list but you really need to see. I don't know song. Selection is really wild tonight. Remember this song from our past the same old episode I was harassing you with that sounds right. I I don't know I mean I watched marathon man fucking once a month so I could probably just stop doing that and fit in some other movie chuck. I called the marathon man once a month very good. It's really nice when you run around the fucking reservoir and Central Park yes when I'm running. That's what it's about. I'm not making a sex joke. It's called a sex joke because sex with me as a joke. Oh we're talking about. standups Rodney Dangerfield my Rodney Dangerfield joke ever ever before I met my wife I was incomplete now. I'm finished a great. I've never been to dangerfields. I'd like to go. I'll really going to be like Manitoba's where closes and I know all right. I mean I got to go to Manitoba's fun. I didn't go. We should win gave we should've gone to. There's no no Marco's but that that that dude is fucking. Trip is always there not always but he was there a lot. When I probably went to Manitoba's Oba's two dozen times he was probably they're like more than half the time? Would it be like would people be let go of and please song. No everyone's like would just like chill. There was one time where I was like helping him. Fix the Yankees game on T._v.. And like our hold on give me give me the remote. Give me the remote I don't understand why do we never get the game like the fucking relax sedan free fall down. You're saying you're helping him fix the Yankees game. I wish give Aaron Judge in the headlines. It's GONNA be unbelie. Yu Darvish is gonNA throw a fucking strike in the third. Let's say you know it's on with Don. Oh actually have recording from the day after when you hung out at Manitoba's great right big God. You said they cool. I'm not implying that you shared a bed. Although maybe a couch although it you hear the very end he's as a yeah as he's coming Steve Rambo wasting no time for anyone who does not we're talking about handsome Dick Manitoba ran a bar called Manitoba's and if you don't know who that is you should listen to the the album blood brothers by dictators. It's a really good record or what's the one that isn't very good. I that might be the one I think it's really good but cringe basketball than the basket there like in a in a weird playground yes. That's the one yes that's a great record. That's a great record. I think it's really really good. It's a low tomorrow the best of Old New York that fucking that song about lifting weights and liking the U._S. AIDS good yeah they know I love when like like we're we're. We're wrapping up with ICE. Stand strong so as God I love the bands is that people consider good like outside of PA. Ah By in Punk I guess as D has the how we rock albums of fucking love. I really liked that record because red hot racket. I got that I got that on tape at tape world when they're going out of business nice and I remember listening to years before I got on a hardcore. It was just a Bank S._S._D.. And that was how Iraq and it had had a fucking drill hole in it because it didn't sell any of them I remember when these the drill through you ever has so easy now drill through the actual media guide by a tape. Maybe like iron maiden killers have a drill hole through which means it was like ninety nine cents or whatever it was like remaindered and then I take it home and they'd had drilled through the tape. That's the resentful asshole at the tape place at the warehouse with no air conditioning was like fuck this I'm. This is my last day on the job. I'm just drilling through these boxes like who cares and it sucks yeah. They used to be then they changed from a drill to a band saw. Maybe but instill your job is to cover band saw right. They have transworld yeah. You weren't to transworld transworld but I knew plenty of people who did that was like the V._r.. Before the transworld I remember that even Liz Liz Liz okay all right better trilogy Star Wars or back to the future. I mean back to the future without question and even then the good trilogy is just a single movie. That's it and that's only because you e Lewis. Louis is in it and there's a fucking hot shit guitar part and that saw bow out of the love that fucking rhythm guitar part is good as fuck and on base <hes> Mario Cipollini and legitimate secret mysticism here we were listening to Mickey Hart's Planet Wave earlier. Mario CIPOLLINI was the basis in the Jerry Garcia band wow and there's a painting of Jerry Garcia in the hallway right outside the store. Is it a Peter airmax painting. I have no idea all right now. Now we're GONNA play the game. Tell me what my favorite part of back to the future is. There's more hair down there of course no. Is it even on here. God Damn it. I was hoping it would be back to the future on Youtube as its own Clinton now. There's one part for no reason saying <music>. He tries to stop a car and the woman just goes. Don't stop our will drive away. It's my favorite part. It's so unnecessary strange. It's great. I like gifts world now. Do you think apart to fuck fuck with any any of the sequels really not like the idea of bits world but the sequels were not why I like that because that's what happened. Remember we all that when this when trump one of the best world and here we are oh I mean we'll just we'll say it now. I'm fucking join US election night twenty twenty and that's going to be a fucking awesome. That'll be video special correspondents few few special guests not giving out any not giving out any names now but we are going to have a few special correspondents respondents man on the ground you know man on the ground you know boots on the ground feet feet and the boots on the ground but feet in the air whatever that means something that you just here on C._N._N.. And then you just ignore it like wait a minute say boots on the ground feed in the air fear this coverage what I think. This is the last question best film with an animal playing a prominent role. It's a great question yeah. It was pretty good God. That's a great question I mean we wrap it up with Rodney Dangerfield and say the Gopher in caddyshack not actually an animal but no well actually has to be a real animal. I think it's all right I got one crazy summer the ugly dog that's <hes> that's a little oh girl has it always has the cone on its people make fun of it all the time. I got to disagree and go with the Shaggy D._A.. Shaggy D._A.. That is it's a dog. That's a district attorney. How how? Ended the happen at this point. You know what I would vote for a dog to be president Mac books about the shit rhyme okay all right. We're back near Miss Ra- back back we <hes> we had tops have batteries. It'd be plugged in in order to continue to work on something. I'm learning hardware. We had a couple shots told a couple of jokes few laughs at a few lamb's a few thoughts. We're back back <hes>. What are we talking about? Oh Best <hes> best movie featuring an animal. Yes okay really good question. Actually <hes> glad that came in <hes> God you know the u d as really good just an advance <hes> <hes> but God no. I don't know turn Turner and Hooch term is pretty good. What where does the animal play a pivotal role in the cartoon or as a space jam what about the deleted scene from the goonies where they meet the octopus and the caves and then the kid puts his walkman on the octopus and it dances out of the room? You know what you're right. That's it. That's the one I there is an outtake. I made actually never forget it. Do Tell Ya know pretend the Max not on all right we got we have well. We have late-breaking. We have one more question. Sorry anonymous said so. This girl has me up whenever her relationships going so. I'm going to read a life. I'm GonNa read it. Read it as healthy Phil Anselmo or very like even sicker Philip Donovan sicker alright those girl. It's me up those girl. It's pope whatever relationships go excelled sick do is we should call a priest no folk the foot look good. You're what I said there. The Jurors said I'm asking yeah yes. We all heard you everyone heard year. Your bunk mate heard you in this hospital room toby. What I've spoken said God Warren's earns put sedate him play Gobi were Fordham under or four going on Maureen? Oh my God fills actually under under the weather on morphine ricky can't read it. He did say but I'd he wants to. He loves it. He left a post it note that he just wants me to let everybody know that he actually said he said Fuck God in case those are his last words how he said Fuck God worm which is really fucked God worm yeah good were so this girl has me up whenever relationship is going south. I give her advice. She doesn't listen well. That's nobody likes advice who likes who likes being told what to do. No one you're not you're not in high school anymore. Then ends up back with the person she's with kind of tired of <hes> T- talking to a wall but I feel bad to sounds like you like this girl and she does seem like them. Do I just suck it up or do I tell it to fix her own problems. You don't own this person. Letter Liver fucking mistakes go out makes them your own mistakes man Damn White nights on bitch yeah now. Do you got you got to just be like Oh. You're you continue to fuck us up. I don't know what else to do for you so you can get at me when you're free. Turn the gas way down on that one just be like hey you know I I you know all you have to say I sense a pattern. I said that's that's up to a friend of mine recently when she's like I have a new boyfriend and he's an artist and he wants to live with me already and I'm like I said I sense a pattern and though those words hit like a ton of fucking bricks. I'm sensing a pattern <hes> that's it. That was <hes> those questions however the fun isn't over. We have some beautiful misconceptions that are in turn Hannah Cintas what I love about Ms Connections that they are very missed gruber. No I just listened now. We don't we don't give this kind of justice. That should look into this for a minute. Drums are awesome some really good. Sammy's running to the MICHNI tripped clunky. It's a great song. God One of the best and it's you can't find it on spotify or any. I don't know where the rights of this are. You can get it on youtube seeing with that Roger Miller Song. I love you gotta get it on Youtube. She goes to the <hes> the was it the library Congress website and see if the rights of the song have lapsed we can just we can just by the copyright in great shape for like fifty fifty bucks mail a letter to ourselves and then we own it <hes> oh. I should probably thought that I was so into to it all right. We're in Flint Michigan all right. I'd like to say that it's nice to be here however <hes> as part of the drive where we hit the gas. This is where we play lead. This is what's holding. This is plainly for. Yes we had a code in we had we had a code in the battle of the plane leave. Where if you're in flint plan with we know somebody in Detroit? We know somebody in Chicago. Let's get the fuck Outta here. <hes> the president wants looking for mine mine. I'm looking from my mom. She's over sixty and pretty chubby texts me for more details like what is she okay what was happening. I don't know we've traveled traveled. All the way down. I ninety one hour Rochester New York okay current home of <hes> the most prolific porn star in existence. Tom Byron he's now opening a hamburger restaurant right with his cohort rob's Hikari. We are so going hamburger restaurant to walk in and see Mr Cat Alley himself working the burgers. I will drop down on my fucking knees. God Damn that's so close. That's a DEIDRA. That's CHIRP for sure. We have to go to the opening day. I'm going to be like what are you doing. You are the most prolific porn star on this earth. Fuck anymore. The whole globe the globe the blowing it sounds fun him him in <hes> Nasty Bro Dr Dirty Rob Sakari No. I'm not a big fan anyway. I don't know actually he's not talking about <music> anyways <hes> it's might actually be him by Guy Seeks female any age any size. I'm looking for a clean discreet and D. and D. Dungeons and dragons free woman not twenties the end dungeons and dragons free woman have fun with I am by curious and like to wear panties and hose. That's not by stressing and I want a woman that will be okay with God. People in the middle of the state eight are fucking ruthless really <hes> I want a woman will be okay. We'll threesome all fifties opening local Oakland. I'm so scared got my being a common cold whatever you want so he's not really by guy. It's like a fucking jail extremely confused <hes> we're still in Rochester. Hey anybody know pat anyone. meet up with a guy named pat not looking for trouble. I just have a couple questions really really funny. <hes> the ones go beautiful midgets from Rochester New York Rochester sounds like the epicenter of the fucking the drain the universe of universal drain screen like the kitchen drains minute over she accumulates as sounds like Rochester new. I mean beautiful mansion looking for this beautiful woman who's very short. That's it okay just sure just like the thing <hes> whereas Sony Rochester looking for pink and blonde hair you come into the bar. I work at all the time you've got long blonde you. You got long blonde. I should do this in the central may come in the bar workout all the time he got long blonde hair with pink and you start coming into the man now hope it ain't that serious because I want a chance next time he come up to me. Talk to me and Gimme a chance. Don't want that guy with you. Wow Good God pink and blonde hair. Change your hair to one color. This is the same part of the country where a man just cut off a woman's head for being being with somebody else UTICA New York yeah congratulations yeah fucking killing at UTICA great yeah managed to lure her against a lot more to hang out once once his all take shots it chopped her head. Almost millennials use condoms looms and don't go to places where people are going to chop your head off right and if you're on instagram you're not famous so pack it in. Maybe guy go to apex tack instead. Look everybody used to go to learn more. I want to go to apex tag. I'm going to do that yeah. You don't don't try to be famous not going to happen not going to happen and there's no way the end game for that is monitoring your snapchat for thirty dollars some fucking Chevy Dune a game of thrones Churkin beat off. How does that sound pretty lousy or you can learn make welding yeah or you can? You can learn welding when worked for the Railroad C._S._X.. Canadian Pacific Benny's Great Benny's out Outta there at age fifty and he can do whatever you want with the rest of your life or whatever female goodwill tractor trailer driver us and you spoke while you were driving your tractor trailer. You looked amazing which we could chat. These are very desperate. Suddenly runs going on Rochester. I don't know thankfully we're out of there and we're in Portland Oregon and dad misses you. Andrew took visceral reaction while banding Mrs you'll Centene Pain. Daddy misses you after you ran away from mom's house I never heard from you. I worry about you and hope you're while you are okay daddy now. If you need anything tell me the color of my car so I know it's you. I'm just lying. He didn't say cars have caught in some of the color of my cock. I Dunno Beige fucking Green Tan Green. I I happen to have a very odd colored cock that he has to say that before every hook. He's like reform. You take the lights down just a little bit before you pull off my might van Heusen boxers. I got a marvel before you pull off my van Hewson's to reveal. I have to tell you something. I have a very odd colored cock. It's called Caucasia. You know wow it's called cock in color in Asia and well. I'm about to kill the mood but I have a green and that's not I'm not wearing indivisible condom. It's real because it's real. It's legitimate real so my caucus. Oh real that's that should be my cock Israel. You know I wanNA man whose con is real I need. I need reality in me. I love Tacos Taco date. Okay we still in Alfred of Gioja all right. I used to know a beautiful volt pillow princess who kept herself clean and enjoyed inviting me over on my lunch break to enjoy her tacos. They're my favorite thing to eat and she always noted how big my appetite was for them home and could just keep eating without getting tired. We're not talking about Tacos here are we. This feels wrong. He saw what we're talking about horrible kind of lingus like this person. I don't like Georgia fucked Georgia. You may know me. I am actually former Atlanta. Falcons running back Warrick Dunne God really all right. You may know me. I'm Maddie Addi Ice Ryan Mattie. Many known as Mattie is actually the owner of the Falcons Arthur blank my job <hes> sometimes even got the lay back in the Hafer. Bring them to me right over my mouth. I really miss her or need. Another friend Mike her clean cut taken professional guy here we can be friends hang out to if it helps if it helps like like I return stolen over talking about Tacos here. I'm not totally sure like if you walk into the room like Oh. This guy just really wants to have like because women love when you want to cook together you know let's give it especially at launch cooked together. I got Ta Yeah. I got you know like especially if she got not as I went to old El Paso New York City get a rope got connie sauce. I went to old El. Paso I even got some crystals and Casey wants to get spicy I see and then he comes in and he's like tacos talking about eating pussy and I was like Whoa Whoa Whoa you really really misunderstood. I just spent forty dollars on Taco fix. I'm I'm chopped up the little onions and stuff. You don't want to put it in. I just want to you know how hard is the fine fuck and fresh Jalapenos in this town. I got all the shit together for you because you said you love to eat tacos anyone a Taco date and now you're just like all the rest so the guys and he's like no one not. I love tacos. No let's just like the rest of players who come over here at noon. Warrick Dunne Bruce Linebacker Bruce Irvin was here earlier. Who is this fucking seahawk that got? Arrested by the cops for like beating Boykin Brandon Boykin. Did you see the video of this the point where he's fighting to cops at once screening I WanNa talk to a supervisor is fucking amazing amazing. They have like a giant fucking a headlock superviso-supervisor really good good good yeah number three Corner Graham good traffic absolutely awesome great goal. That's fight fight aqap like this should be job. One don't ever do that. <hes> we we see looks big and strong. I I'll spend it looks like it could pick up that fucking cop and playing like an accordion video he was in line to take over for Kam Chancellor not any more although although Ken into his assets to his credit but another former beat up a cop and got his head bashed in and still made a super bowl Ken Hamlin so can handle as as long as a different time. It was two thousand six so long ago perfect goddess getting cheese steak in Boise. This is written like a poem or song. You know your Queen Gene just wondering if you have a king yet hopefully you see this. I definitely saw you hard is peach Emoji. Wow my means. You're looking at her A._S.. S Dude and not her cheese steak in Boise three fifty north Milwaukee Street in Boise hotspot. I've been dire- desperate fucking gross fucking cheese steak in Boise well Jesus. This one is extremely desperate. Bob Welcome buckle in buckle up Di Burgundy hair flower tattoo. I saw you and you probably did not see me shame. This is never something I've done a never fought a woman around and hours. This is never something I've done but I but seeing you made me think of this outlet instantly when I look at you I think of craigslist mess connections. Don't see your face at your face should be desperate like vague map and the terrible font <hes> you just you have just past your shoulder. Length died died spelled D. I.. E. D. D. like your hair is dead. You have just passed to shoulder-length dyed burgundy hair and a flower tattoo and you're right forearm wow by rosie the riveter over here the knee high boots and snake bite piercing. They give you give you an air of confidence and strength that I was instantly drawn drawn toward drawn toward highly doubt this'll make its area but if it does know that you are beautiful and if you have a significant other I hope they show us every day. I hope they show you every day. I hope they show you every day. Think of this is brain dance such a weird sense. I hope this show you every day if you have a significant other. I hope they show you every day that your significant yes no but they're significant. If I have a significant souther basically you're saying that they want to make sure that you know that there's significant probably through some sort of threat every day. Arms ignificant naked fucking all jacked up you come home late from work again and you eh that means that I'm not significant and I will be head you like that woman in Utica. I don't think I won't I just WanNa have a great day. Good luck. I don't WanNA argue. There's WanNa remind you of my significance. 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73: Lance reviewed

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73: Lance reviewed

"You're listening to the cycling. PODCAST brought to you by Walker flexible loans bill, a small businesses I W. A DOT CO DOT UK. But are reliable where we're all respective offices alway curve molar after. Mentally Roger Longer greenbush literally. Fray sowed very side, isn't it? This is our first post our Jiro podcast and and well. What's the Wayne of the day today Daniel? Fall when we get? Ready. To back now Argenta Mullebeck last night, but I wasn't. Wasn't quite as interesting as when the offerings from divine sellers during the zero, you'll restore anti open airline yet, but. I'm been doing Italian selling the pies. Melton Mowbray pork pies by. Report Pie. Annoy. Very nice the. Oh, well, we're we're you know we're? We're decompressing, aren't we? Were charge come down? Hasn't it starting? This yes it. been lost. Just like a real real grunter isn't the kind of flatness any. WE'RE GONNA! Pick ourselves up for this week's podcast. Lionel's punching there and we're going to talk this week of mainly by the the new. Film Lance, which is about lawns Armstrong and. Put you off. However was GONNA say just lost sixty seven. Send listeners know this. Law Else besides I'm. We're going to hear some other voices to catch up once again Larry War bass 'em in with his lockdown diary. Next week as well, we're going to hold a press conference. We normally do these during the grand kids who didn't do one during our Jira. We thought we should talk about launch this week. Because it's people can watch it. We're taking questions for our press conference next week. Some of you may have sent them already by what's up huge apologies, but that number is no longer working, please, could you send? Send as an audio file, your question to contact at the cycling podcast calmness contact at the and podcast. You can write US questions as well, but we prefer to hear your voice, and so if you can send all, do faulty contact at this forecast accountable. Hopefully, hear your question answered in next week's episode, but we We normally kick off with a news roundup. Don't we? Lionel so what golf roses? News, really few things bubbling. Edging closer to the professional cycling season, resuming a decision is expected on Monday that's June. The fifteenth regarding the Tour de France taking place from August twenty ninth to September the twentieth. think there's a reasonable confidence. Those dates will hold firm for the two of the at the moment the first. European stage raced ranked two point. One or better is due to be the world to. At the end of July with Straw Bianchi wanted. To Race for men and women on Orchestra I we gather. What color is what about cost lead is Jersey very good question. Is it a? belter is a purple purple. I quite deep purple purple. Any deep purple songs now my kind of music is the buff is not you'll you'll street? Either or fried so about. Sorry so Y- we're confident in the tour De. France will head at the end of August on the original route from niece to Paris on the Talia is now likely to start with time trial in Palermo in Sicily. Is that right Daniel and that's what the replacement for the Hungarian stages will be with the possibility. Budapest will host Garand. Depart the Guerande Potenza next year. And that is a possibility napalm, the expecting announcement about the additional three-stage you said Osceola have had to find three additional stages to replace the Hungarian ones somewhere we think of they've been. Told Daniel Hi. Inspiration been. I've been equally anticipating a call from our venues, not yet materialized. The Rangers of breathe a sigh of relief. I'm sure. Well. I think there is going to be an extra mountain stage, because if you remember the stages that the race should have done in Hungary. There was a time trial in two. Days. What has been reported in Italy is there will be at least one additional mountain stage because they're thinking of having a stage in Abruzzo finishing at 'em Campo in paradise. Now where we've been napalm. We spent hours waiting for cable car up in the while Grand Susevi. The Talia and beautiful spot quite tricky climb caused damage last time in the JIRA copies. And the welter is tweaking the route to avoid crossing the border into Portugal as well so the welter that was going to be reduced by three two or three days as well. Isn't it starting I? Think on a Monday when it when it gets underway, but the root for the Jiro and the Welte we'll. We'll see them get confirmed shortly. I imagine there's also going to be a virtual Tour de France. Six stages for men and women held over three weekends in July on his wife. I mean not a grand tour as we know it. Daniel is i. mean nowhere near as ambitious scope it out. Bit Tempe toppy. Six stages. Six Stage Mints Anyway. And when we interesting to see, it'll be interesting to see what appetite there is both from the teams and spectators, obviously because I get feeling, that is the real racing gets closer than possibly. The appetite will diminish for the virtual racing. I'm pro bowl racing. Another thing chops. I think we're going to be looking at closely over the next few weeks and exploring and asking people about is this idea of whether? This huge. Block of Turbo Training Aloft pros have been doing will benefit. Them will have some kind of legacy, and whether it might even change their training going forward we. Maybe we'll be speaking system team physiologist I. Don't think you need to speak to team physiologist Daniel the within the buffalo staring you in the face of the moment, and might chiseled face off three. Actually, thinking froyo boasts about being in the form of your life family. Really see the difference, but maybe it's just grainy. Maybe it's just a slightly grainy video. You of all people should know she'd no Daniel. The the comrades about ten times the the new. Year is rich very impressively. Exactly no I I've been going on my bike, having spent six or seven weeks riding my metabolism. There's more than I've ridden a bike for years and. I've been feeling great I mean you can? We've said few times, but from a from a lay person's point of view, you definitely work harder on the between. You pedal more aggressively than you do out in the roads. And so I think we've seen from one or two writers mentioned Nasty Movement Paseo thing in a previous episode. She went out and obviously smashed her personal best on the rocket chorba climate. She rides a lot having spent five six weeks indoors, so yeah I think. The interesting thing is whether it will influence training. You know we'll. Professional cyclists train more indoors for four races. I mean could could indoors be the new tannery. I think one of the things I'll talking to Mitch docker about this. When we were recording a bit for the introduction to his most recent episode and I, say our colleague Jim Cotton is written a piece, having spoken to Mitch written a piece of Valor News An and Mitch was talking about how the this they indoor training period as being not only without a kind of end goal. Mind, no one's really known until relatively recently what it is I aiming for, but also that it's very very kind of one pice type of training everyone during the same. Probably shorter and more intense efforts but also the the the the difficulty of coming off the back of what might be what it's going to be three four five months of training with no racing, and then going into a block of very intense back racing, and the the mental aspect of not really having had a year behind you with any kind of pecan flow to know kind of training blocks on them racing them rest. It's all been a bit kind of You know Beige in its. Lack of definition. I guess whether that has an effect, not just physically, but mentally on the right is when they come back to race. That'd be raring to go of course, but will they be? In a one shape. It's GonNa be interesting to find out about. Another final footnote chat with some one thing. We also need to look at it in the next few weeks. This issue on dope testing that we mentioned while that was a hot topic at the start of the lockdown factor. Not much dope testing. Your any was taking place and obviously. As the racist get nearer that's going to have to be addressed is not already being addressed, but we'll have to look at. What rich we rode out on the GT cycling platform, and the women's to be held on that platform next week June, seventeenth to nineteenth three stages you can watch not online thing as well well as racing edges near other teams are starting to put into place, training camp plans and Current quickstep of a couple of things lined up as all the teams will have, but they're getting all of the team together for an altitude camp. Paso San Pellegrino in Italy from July two six two zero 's least favorite place in the world. Isn't it possible some Pelegrino? Because he often gets dispatched there before the Tour de France to spend some time been nearly, and he hates it. But that'll be together training, and then we'll. We'll break out of their. Their bubble and I'm going to start racing the start of August I. Guess Quite Trent's venues and. Speculation going on and contract renews big news from Groupama F. J. Extending the contracts of Tibo Piano on Obama Steffen. Kuehn endeavoured go do for three years quite a significant move that to extend contracts for that long. Given while the suddenly, says something about the security of that team. The same call, really be said of the CCC team now. dzhamalkhov H had spent the better part of last year. Looking for a replacement sponsor for based BMC and the Polish Company Shoe Making company CCC took over the sponsorship, but they will be pulling out so often. She's looking for a new sponsor to say the team again. Peter Meaning who you've probably heard from in Mitch Dockers Episode Life Into Pellet on talking about the twenty, four hundred zero Talia team Tom Trial that Mitchelson. Scott Ourika greenidges I were then one P to weaning nicknamed weaned dog, by the of course, scientists Trek Sigfredo the age of thirty nine, so good to see their investing in young riders. and. I mean I mean they're not quite the quite a quite aging team and we aren't. They trek segregated. The Mitch's episode on that. was fantastic. We spoke about during our Jiro but. It was interesting. There was interesting stuff about weaning on the way that he wrote. In particular. Yeah unreach- has a said when we talk about this episode a couple of weeks ago, unfortunately I went back to watch the video. What's the clips on Youtube that time trial and you can see very little of what's talked about in the episode in fantastic detail, riveting detail. But. It doesn't really you know. Transmit very well on on the TV pictures. Thus. What makes it so good? Yeah. I wouldn't like to write a team time trial with a claiming with weaned dog having heard it. And finally some speculation. This is solid speculation, isn't it? Roman Day has been linked with sunway a move to sunlight from ag to are I mean I don't know whether you think. There are any legs in that down you? I can I can imagine them being well interest on Puff Sun web they did with the right body and body could possibly some might think that he could do with the change of scenery. He's been edgy to start his career and lost. You didn't go too well for him, is he's talking now about really aiming for stages at the Tour de France this year? Of course, he was originally going to do the Jiro. But AG to our were they to lose him would have to have a big thing because they don't really have an obvious. I mean it's not like Groupama with avid go. Do obviously being groomed as a successor to Tibo Pino and he's really waiting in the wings. Their eighty don't really have that. So I, think, they'll be loath. To lose body at this point. You're listening to the cycling podcast brought to you by Walker flexible loans bill for small businesses join fifty thousand customers, taking on life's twists and tans and scaling new heights with I walker. If you run a business, find out more at I walk Kodo UK I W. 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I it surpass war and peace, and not regard on is extraordinary, and most of their films are long. We've talked to buy a lot of them over the years. I'm way Daniel watched watched a lot of them. 'em They Y- one of my favorites is once brother. Verbal is not your ally. Say say the to Escobar's. Really wanted a car. Remember what it's called, but the one about Bo Jackson's very good. This is what they want. The one about Jimmy Connors. US. Ninety one I thought was excellent as well. But once brothers really stood out for me. I mean that was just such a moving film. Really Yeah, once brothers and about two basket will play as Vlade Divac. Draws Petrovic who played for the Yugoslav National Basketball team at the time that Yugoslavia broke apart and while Detach Serbian Petrovic Croatian they found themselves on opposite sides of that divide, and it's a story of their friendship, and it's really a moving film very well. Put together. I'm really worth watching. If you can find once, brothers as cold. It is and you. It keeps you watch him. There's a real a real stay in the tail and not film Em, and and in so many I mean the the thirty for thirty zero by great stories. It doesn't actually matter what the the sport is tall. And the the format for the two part Lance Armstrong Film Lance called. AM, as they've gone beyond the usual Sir one hour constraint in order to tell a fuller on more complete story interesting that it's in two parts. I think Is there kind of? A A bit like our Mario cipollini episodes during our Jiro. When we saw recognized, there were two parts to to Mario Cipollini story and tried to cover one part in episode one on the other part in episode two am. Armstrong clearly very complex and this this film. Is the first project in a while to to tell the story, but to visit him now. An find. You know where Armstrong is and how he is now. one interesting thing about it for me was the. It's directed by Marina Zenovic American filmmaker. WHO's WHO's? Directed a lot of films of by quite complicated men Roman Polanski as one of her acclaimed films, but I I. Became aware of her many years ago because she. Directed a film a long time ago by Baranov tapping the French, entrepreneur businessman, who ran the Lavi Clare Cycling team in in the mid eighties and Tap He kind of fits that description to being hugely charismatic and quite complicated, and this was a this is kind of low budget and very strange Phil. Basically am. It follows marinas Zenovic in pursuit of TAP for a couple of years, and she never quite manages depend him down and get into, but it's a fascinating little film. If you can watch it, there's no cycling. Unfortunately am, but we've all watched we've we've all watched lawns now. Both episodes I'm Daniel. You're in it. I mean the standout performance clearly not. You're drawing room. Saudi! I didn't have a house level and enjoying and say yeah. He's very grind leaking anyway, and but I mean. What were your thoughts Daniel on it? We've we lived with the story of Lonzo Armstrong throughout his career, and we followed him sense you know he he's got his own podcast of course or podcasts, and there's little by that actually which surprised me in in the episode, says that this to me. For me, the PODCAST, being quite unimportant vehicle for Armstrong at to be rehabilitated and relevant was the word that he used as well and that she asked him about but that wasn't covered. But what were your impressions of the film? I suppose the first thing I found myself well. The first question I asked myself was really what question? The documentary had set out to on some I think the answer to that is that. Wanted to establish how basically he feels about the scandal and everything that went down now in two thousand and while the interviews. In two, thousand and eighteen. So you know half. Of Time have they changed his view? His feelings about everything that went down. From someone from the point of view of someone who works in cycling cycling, maybe question way more interested in these more pressing for us. How does professional cycling deal with Lance Armstrong? Lance Armstrong question now. How should it deal with the the embarrassing Lance? Armstrong question now. That is obviously still foremost in his mind that that sound by about staying relevant Whether he wants to be or not. He's not. He's not comfortable. With the fact that some of the is in his generation have been rehabilitated and redeemed, and he has obviously not, and you know we've. We've touched on this question over the years as well the inherent hypocrisy of a lot of people, a lot of members of his generation, having been rehabilitated and him. Not You know I think we'll maybe. Talk about the reasons for that a bit later I'm books. The documentary. What does it say about where using his life now? Well, I mean I, think he someone who has tried to change is trying to change on. It is a bit like turning oil tanker around talking about patterns, behavioral patterns the have their roots in in childhood and the documentary talks about that a little bit. His stepfather, who was possibly well, he was very severe, perhaps violent towards him. and you know it's very hard to change as an adult and I think he's. He's. In the middle of a long process I'm but. You know it's not complete, and you can see that in the documentary still abrasive. He still hasn't forgiven everyone on. I mean he knows really other people who should be forgiving him or how to forgive him. He hasn't forgiven Floyd Landis for example. And you know the definitely. Traits of character that people found unpalatable during his career that they'll still find unpalatable. Watching the documentary and that will make a difficult watch for some people or something that will will turn a lot of viewers. The came maybe with an open mind off again. Yes sitting down to watch the film over over two consecutive Monday evenings I did wonder what the kind of the point of it would be at this point, all we all we out the point yet where the launch Armstrong, story is one that we can really. Pick out over in some detail. You know that will come a point where we'll go back to the races and we'll treat the racing for what it was which was. A highly doped era dominated by one man on the one of the drama, and that was a little bit of that wasn't there you know that the that dramatic shots of over crushing in the time trial in two thousand and three unknown where you know, that was the closest of. The closest from came to being challenged really not seventy eight. Ron and also the moment goes across the field. Off to the on the descent into gap, isn't it? On anything that be more. In the years to come kind of strange point in the Armstrong, story at the moment is, he's not rehabilitated. He I'm. He's he's. He sets out with the Star of the film saying you know to Marina. Which I'm, not GonNa lie to you, Marina. I'm not as if you know this time this time I'm going to tell the truth about everything, but it still it's still his truth, and I think even makes that point that it his truth, and and and so I'm you know they won't be the Lost Launch Armstrong documents about his his career and cycling with it they'll be. There will be more. There'll be others, and there will be some that maybe pick away a bit more. At, what this this run of seven wins means. Patch when it gets a bit more distance, but the the point you might Daniel about Armstrong fading kind of bitter that he's excluded from the world of cycling I mean looking at the Rogers. He stood on the podium alongside him. In Paris at the end of those seven tours, Alex Fernando Scott in your Rick. Your Sabre Bulky Raimondo's rooms. Alexander Vinokourov Andrews closed in an Yvonne Buffalo I mean Vinokourov is the only one working so solidly within Professional Cycling Teams Base. Point what I even bus Shari's. Nebraska has his own team the KAMATA. Is it still cold? Twenty three team with outlets control which is definitely. Moving up the price on stocking food chain, and might we. We bosseaux the only one who works fulltime and and Blueberry farm past. The point of making the Armstrong, a you know. He's still officially an outsider in professional cycling, isn't it? I mean even you wanted to go and cover the Jiro, Israel as a journalist and was unable to do so because he's, he's still banned from the sport and I suppose the standout moments I the thing that really stung. was when he was unable to take part in the on triathlon in I think in south. The front was in niece. Just see the expression on his face so. It it doesn't hide anything. You know the fact that he's not a part of the world professional sport. I think burns him and so you know I? There was a lot of things to take from it, but it's not the end of the stories. For those you think, we should draw a line under law, trump trunks, career, and legacy and. Never talk about it again. I mean that that isn't going to happen, is it? I I mentioned we were talking earlier and I mentioned that we quite recently spent a covenant discussing whether I copy handed a B. Dawn to Gina Barclay, or or the other way Ryan's and you know we're. We're still talking about the them, and not rivalry, and we're going to be talking about Armstrong in fifty years. No question and part of the reason for that is personality not not just the the controversy in the achievement, so it's all it's all wrapped up together, but what was interesting to me I? Mean you mentioned the moment. They are lying where the camera lingers on Armstrong's face after he talks about. Having to turn having travelled to needs to take part in his first Ironman, and then having to go home again that really the pain of that is still very very evident. But, the other moment of of real emotion from Armstrong is so was when he thought Landis and how much she clearly despises long, maybe no coincidence that I thought you know a couple of really most interesting things said about Armstrong were by Landis. On it's almost that Landis. Has this unique to standing in a way of Armstrong? He's got under his skin somehow. He the one of his comments was an. Landis was being high difficult. He finds it when he tested positive. After winning the tour in two thousand six to to lie, he said it's hard line to people and we could see in the foods. He, said Lan, very good at it. Frankly, he's better lying. Then telling the truth, he's very uncomfortable being himself. I thought that was an amazing. which may have some truth in it? The other thing the other observation that Lonzo offered was by cyclists. Themselves top cyclists 'em. He said, despite the difficulty of the amount of time and determination it takes. The personalities are not particularly aggressive. They're often really introverted. People who just like to spend time riding their bikes by themselves alone or need other people without saying anything people see George Hincapie and think Oh. He's a tough guy. He's not I mean lance is he's a tough hard guy, but the rest of them are not an all the writers feuds for the program, Bobby Julich John Involved with Tyler Hamilton Atlanta's himself George Hincapie. They do all come across as different than and and and unassuming. And an introverted. And luntz stands in really stark contrast to that you know his. He's an A. Type Personality and. I think not goes an awful long way. And you spoke Daniel during our coverage of how people seldom talk about the characters and personalities of Barclay and copy, and talking about their rivalry and so on. But it's kind of the same Armstrong where we do accept that he's got this larger than life personalities very domineering personalty, but is not personality that goes an awful long way I think to explaining. Has Athletic performances his his doping the manner of his doping, and the fact that he was able to get away with it for so long that he had people wrapped around his finger. You know that moment where Pat mcquaid had a conversation with Jonathan voters in his first instinct was to Fulton Armstrong, because people deferred to him, even the president of the UCI yesterday, interesting to draw a parallel with another documentary about an American sporting icon, and the spin talked about a lot in las you weeks on the last dance which netflixing. It's about Michael Jordan and thing. We often hear about Armstrong. And when people are asked why they can't forgive him somewhere, they can't move on and talk about the the bullying. Which is absolutely you know it's? It's widely acknowledged accepted even by strong himself that he did bully people and teammates opponents. Journalists critics. But it's not really just about the bullying, and it's not really and just about his personality. That's not. The only reason that people can't forgive him. It's a combination of the bullying on the doping and. I always think you can drop a mathematical formula Oh you, you know if you really sat down and picked it apart of of how some riders including riders, not generation have been able to rehabilitate themselves, and if we think about for example two examples. While the end of the documentary, Armstrong sort of rants about. Even Basso having been rehabilitated in Italy and others as well. David Miller is is one I think in the English, speaking psyching world and Why has that been? Why is that the case I think there's obviously? The question of the scale of the betrayal or the scale of the what simply would call the fraud? Armstrong wants seven tools to France. Didn't win one or two I think if he had one one or two. Maybe this will be a different conversation. It'll be easier for him to find a way back, but another one. Is is the the way some of these writers have been able to. Write their own story and and find a receptive audience in the media. You know, whip of not as well Miller is is an eloquent guys. Articulate Guy An I. Don't I'm not suggesting the? He set out an. Sort of with a roadmap of how he would find favour again with the media, but just by virtue of the way he's been able to communicate. That that's. That has enabled him to reinvent himself to a certain extent same with Basso. Whereas, others simply have not been able to do that. I mean I watched. An interview the other day? There's a parallel between Lance. Armstrong and Ricardo Recall Battalion Rider simply, because bore based on the fact that they both watched the two thousand and eight to France or Recovery Call. What's the end of the two thousand and eight hundred Franz? Because he was in there, and got kicked off in the middle of it, and I watched an interview with him the other day, in which he talks about Carlos Sastre winning that Tour de, France think, and he's instinct was I should have been winning. That toured France because. He might have won A. Of. Doping Armstrong wasn't writing at that time. He watched it. And thought the same thing. SAS wasn't a worthy winner. That's what he said also in the documentary. This this interview anyway on Youtube recall is is was watch by a thousand people on Youtube, and it's an an hour and a half interview. And he's another good example of someone who has not found the words all the way or A route back into people's. You know sympathies or affections, and yeah. It's a combination of factors, isn't it? It's you know. the the scale of as say the scale of the betrayal and. And the way in which you know, someone finds a way to to to sort of. You know resonate again in the affections or the sympathies of of the public. The cycling podcast is supported by Science in sports. Science and Sports. Fueled by science. Thank you very much indeed to science and sport for their support of cycling podcast, and you can still get twenty five percent off all your sciences, sport products I'm still going through a lot of them with my my new find love of cycling which I've kyd on after our European writing on the Roads Been Glenn, to sorry and. Absolutely burning out the tarmac Daniel. Don't don't smart I can see there. With your Mapei high on smirking away mopping. Up. Sorry, you can get twenty five. Let me finish this for us. You can get twenty five percents off your scientist. Pork Products Sciences Sport Dot Com. With the code SIS EP twenty-five sorry diner. You've been subbing. I've yeah. I've been slacking lauber for practical reasons. Could be coming for you. Fun Is beneath you. Vinyl you've been getting on your bike is it's been going pretty well from again? Relatively relatively speaking of course, but I'll Jiro flying. You have come out without you era in good form. You always come up grant, or you know we're a leg-weary for the first week, and then the formulas pigging Ni-. Happy obviously sweet spot form, and let's carry on talking about Lance. I mean one of the things. I suppose that cycling fans have watched it forward as whether. You find whether there was anything new in it and thing that added to our understanding of what happened and win an unopposed I mentioned the phone call from Pat mcquaid. The you sat president to Armstrong after he'd been tipped off by vaulters that that trouble was brewing that that was a revelation or further confirmation that. There was this closeness between the UC president whether it was pat, mcquaid or Heiner Brin before him and Armstrong. Not Not which let's not forget they. Denied and denied and denied and denied time and time again. I thought it was interesting. You Know Pat mcquaid kind of You know drew drew drew's letters to the conclusion that the relationship was close between launch. Armstrong High Bergen mcquaid predescessor ask UCI president who of course is no longer here to to to defend himself or to. Confirm or deny That was interesting. And we went from that revelation, or on an understanding of that closeness to footage of Pat, mcquaid, basically right thing Armstrong I of history, the next scene, which was which was an interesting thing to watch from my point of view, I guess it was it was it was? It was interesting to hear Armstrong talking about his comeback I. That was his big blunder. Without the comeback as he acknowledged. There wouldn't have been the downfall. probably you know we can see that. Seth off this chain of events. But get to get a sense now of of his own reservations and misgivings by the comeback even before to start 'em. You know on the there was always this weird having ridden for postal, and on discovery channel to then come back and ride for. Astana was always odd and I it was strange to see him in Astana kitten as part of a team. He said that he felt himself when He. Got Even just a few weeks into his comeback, and he says I was I was trying to. He was trying to explain to his partner and the felt like a bad idea. He says I should have picked up the phone and called ever said I'm not doing it. I'm not feeling. That would have been the smart thing to do I would have dodged thing he said. he said it was exciting for a little bit quickly got weird on when he went to training camp in Spain. To join up with his new astonished teammates, thank. He felt then that you know he was. He didn't really know what he was getting into, and it didn't feel right, and he didn't follow through on that instinct I thought I thought that was a obviously said with the benefit of hindsight, but it was interesting to get a sense of his own misgivings at that time. Well you always get the sense even towards the end even lost. Two or three years of most right is crazy. They've had a long career. They start to feel almost slowly. Alien like aliens in the in the Peleton they start to feel slightly disoriented, and like they no longer have quite as much in common with their peers, and particularly younger riders coming through, so if you add to that, and if you think about what Lance Armstrong was doing between two, thousand, five and two, thousand and eight, and it wasn't a normal retirement. He was mixing circles as the documentary. described the. The pretty unusual for an ex. Professional cyclists, going to premieres, and the Oscars, and so on and so forth, and you can well imagine that also going back into a sport that was really I think at a at a watershed moment, particularly in terms of doping as well and if you think when the Gombeen team, and what was then slipstream, south to become more and more prominent on the Columbia Hd. What became the ACC team was also well in in the price of establishing itself as one of the best teams on the US kind of transparency, and you think about all the. Bloodletting literally almost that happened with two thousand six an offer. Appalachian Puerto. Two Thousand and six to two thousand and eight were really the key years in terms of I changing the mood and changing the ambiance in professional cycling, and also the culture and the peer pressure. Switching around and no longer being expected on almost well encourage for. For riders to dope, even by their own teams, and the peer pressure started to work the other way, and you start to see riders kind of protesting, speaking out more in team, speaking out more teams building their reputation on being clean, so I think it would have been a bit of a Helluva coach you show. Well an interestingly dial. This might be a good time to hear from Larry War Bass again. His his latest lockdown journal m women heard from him since before the Jiro but. There was a period of time where. Armstrong was still talk. Secular writers wouldn't wouldn't speak. Amazon what's been interesting the last year, so. I think in particular writers of Larry's generation willing once again to talk about I the legacy of Armstrong in a slightly more nuanced way, and as Larry Does in his latest journal. Let's hear from Laurie now. Hey, is This is Larry War and you're back in lockdown with Larry although it most in. Lockdown mark so that's good. There's been some progression in the last few weeks. Yeah, well. Hopefully everything goes okay, obviously, as most of you have probably seen. Things have been pretty crazy in the US so. Hopefully we don't see another flare up. in the virus or anything But yeah beyond that Pretty much just still been training hard here at home. not a whole lot has changed in the last few weeks enjoyed listening to. The cycling podcasts Jiro coverage especially the episodes on Cipollini maxine DRI because. I, actually spent some time living in the same town as Max when I was a neo pro so I know him quite well, and I really enjoyed those along with some of the other episodes, so the gummy through semi long rides, which was which was nice. also watched the lance documentary I actually really enjoyed it. I thought it was pretty good. I thought it was well done, and I mean I I personally thought it was. Pretty balanced You know I enjoyed a lot of the interviews because I've met quite a few of those guys over over the years and you know. knows some of them pretty well, so so it was kind of a a good watch, and in other words any like crazy revelations or anything but I do think it's such an interesting story and Yeah, it was cool just to see a little more I know you know. He's a very polarizing figure and You know I saw. A lot of people are fused to watch the documentary and that's fine. You know everyone can do whatever they want but I actually I enjoyed it and I. Call It. Was I thought it was pretty good You know I guess in general with Lance. Yeah a lot of people hate Because You know I think a lot of people felt deceived over all the years but the one thing I think that a Lotta people. Easily forget is just that he did. Bring a lot to our sport and. Especially here in the US, it really wasn't on the map at all until he came around and. He really really put the sport on the map and you know brought a lot of attention, and you know consequently funding to our sports, so for me I really. Only have. To thank him for because I think without him I, I wouldn't be pro cyclist. Show both in terms of I probably would've never found Sikeli and you know I I don't think there would have been the same avenues for me to enter the scored and progress to become professional if it weren't for him, so say I. Think being you know young American at that time I watched. You know a lot of his last tours and Yeah I was a big Fan when I was a kid. And obviously it was disappointing when all of that came out but Yeah I guess it was what it was and You know I wouldn't say I I. Hate Him or anything so I'm still grateful for everything. Did for our sport Yeah so? That's that I'll be curious to hear what all the guys in the podcast thought of that in the documentary and you know they're Kinda. Take on all of it I'm guessing. Guessing Richard wasn't a fan, but Yeah, we'll see. We'll see what everyone everyone had to say. Good Job Daniel You had some really nice parts in there. I thought the enjoyed seeing Daniels cameos in the In the documentary they add beyond that I'm hopefully returning to your up at the end of June get back. into. The training rhythm over there and we have some training camps planned for mid July before hopefully in August restart so i. think it's pretty interesting to see how different countries are. Ya starting back in different ways you know I see Slovenia's actually still hosting their national championships on the clan weekend, so the twenty first of June. that's pretty crazy to already have a road race then. I'm sure those guys are excited to be able to do that. seems pretty soon, but if they you know, say that safe, then I guess. That's cool I don't really know what the situation is there I also saw that. Belgium should start racing in July but I. don't know what kind of races they're gonNa do if that's for like just Belgians or for everyone or what and then yeah, hopefully we will all get started not too long after so I'm really eagerly awaiting a rating that restart and I'm really looking forward to getting back to Europe and getting a train on my roads around niece getting in the mountains because. while. It's really nice riding here. you know it's not like we have giant mountains and stuff like that, so I really think nieces, some of the best writing in the world and I'm really fortunate to live there. Most of the time so I'm pretty excited to get back there. Although we do have really nice letter here now, so it's actually was thirty today we'll be in the mid thirty s tomorrow so really hot and then Yeah, I think should tell down to around twenty five, so it went from like snowing the thirty degrees in like three weeks, but I'll take it so. Okay, everyone. Hope you. A good last few weeks and hope I'll have some exciting news. To yeah, share with you. Guys each of the coming weeks until we start racing so. Talk to you soon. Will Larry War Bass there and giving us his latest that lockdown report. And he touched on the film and on his feelings about Lance Armstrong. Some people might be uncomfortable with that blast of course as a fellow Texan. I. AM actually Larry I I. Don't know why you think. I wouldn't have liked the film I did like the film be interested in what he thought, anyway but. I've heard him in Boswell Andrew Dombroski. All makes similar comments. I mean Boswell and Dombrowski came through. Armstrong's development team. But it is true for a generation for their generation that you know they owe their. Their their careers and cycling to some extent to Armstrong. Yes is. we think about you know what set. It started the episode where the one of the key questions of this documentary is should have been. One of the key questions now from our point of view, how freshman stocking deals with Lance Armstrong beyond strong question and it is. Quite refreshing that we've got, we've reached a point in time. where riders can well, they're not not scared. to be honest. talk about how he influenced their best psyching when they were growing up. Because that is the case with a lot of them, we're. We're right in the heart of that generation now which? Would have grown up watching the Armstrong tools and you know. I think we spoke during all Jiro when we do the episode about Max, Shagman Pyrenees We made the same point there about the German ride on Rick. It was a real frustration for them for a number of years that they couldn't talk about the fact that they had grown up idolizing. and not just underlying really I'm. How awkward and difficult and impossible to resolve this question. Is that you know Larry and his peers are not saying by any stretch of the imagination that they endorse or even in a necessarily forgive Armstrong but that the racing happened. We have to try to make some kind of sense of it and and I totally take the point as as was made in the documentary that. A lot of riders in that generation did, but they did. We think respond react to the drug in different ways, and so we don't know who the best riders we don't know who should have won. The Tour de France in those years. But the racing remains, and you know some of it was very entertaining on on a lot of people got. Excited, and and swept away by the time I'm including. You know a lot of the guys who who are in the Peleton now. I. Mean I just taken up I? Mean Larry Wabash was nine years old. When launch from one is first to France and therefore fifteen. When Armstrong won the lost, his seven told he was a kid, he was watching the fairy story on TV at that time getting into. You know the cancer survivor who came back and crush the world with these fantastic tax You know you, so. He was the best year after year after year. It was a fairy story I mean it was. It was a compelling fairy story, but it was a fairy story had no more truth to it. Then follow the Christmas. I mean in in in. I mean you can't. You can't get wife from the fact that. The whole thing was a fraud and I think one of the things about this film. I, don't have any kids are listening. Her Father Christmas. Sorry everyone. On. Napalm I mean if we say that it was all a fraud. Then you have to. You have to reapply the same standards to a lot of what's happened in the history of professional, absolutely absolutely. I'm not saying that you don't think you know if we're not careful. We get caught in this thing of saying what it wasn't just a doping. It was the bullying, but as a third strand to it, and that is the fraud and corruption that was. was running in parallel with this. I mean that moment in there. I'm Tyler Hamilton says that you know he'd. He'd left launch. US writing for the PHONAK team, he won the time trial among volunteer, the Dolphin in two thousand four, and and as he understand Armstrong on the phone to the UCLA and got test this guy and you know. Catch him out because eat becoming too much of a rival. I mean that is the inference that the film. The very strong conclusion that failed lead to an and that isn't really put to Armstrong, but right from the start. You know it's not just the bullying. It was the trolling and the gas lighting before we knew the TUB. The denial, everyone who who who had some evidence against Armstrong whether it be. Drug packaging being dumped a French service station during the two thousand and two to France, or or whether it be Betsy Andro saying that Armstrong, it admitted to taking the whole menu drugs while he was being treated in hospital for cancer. You know these things were what brushed off his figment of bitter people's imaginations and I don't think it's possible to just sort of sweep that aside and say oh well, that's fine because he's a compelling magnetic personality I think we'll has to be put on the table and looked at A. A on its merits and just go on the kind of the the the fraudulent aspect of it. Let's not forget also that Armstrong basically on himself to win to it. AF- ROMPS off the Tour de France in order to recoup some more money. pull the cash lever on on some more money. He basically took out insurance policies He and his team took out insurance policies. The would pay out huge sums of money for him. Winning consecutive editions of the Tour de France and those policies. What paid up and. I mean that's another. That was a real interesting point in the documentary that I thought the marinas interact was going to kind of pick away at, but it was just you know covered, and then sort of moved on, but this is actually a really interesting strand of the story because it's, it's a sort of the first down that lead to the eventual whistle, blowing by floyd, Landis and the eventual investigation by Jeff Novitsky because. In, two thousand and one launch Armstrong and his team took out the insurance policy with a company. SC Promotions in Texas where they would get paid a bonus for winning the two thousand and one in two thousand and two Tour de France that would be a million and a half dollars, then again of the three million, if they won in two thousand and three and four point five million, if they won in two thousand and four, and of course, Armstrong won all of those. Tools and collected ten million dollars, and when David Walsh appeared. Alistair book came out in French or published in English. L., A. Confidential Boeheim Hammond, the boss of that company. Sei Promotions, which effectively taken this back They start to smell a rat and they. Want to? Get to the bottom of and they brought to Armstrong said. We're going to need copy of your medical records Armstrong's. Reaction to that was to basically turn around I'm forced this issue to arbitration, you know. He was kind of standing up and facing down to any suggestion that he might have been doping, and so they went to this patrician, and that is where actually Andre says on the record that launch Armstrong a stayed in the hospital room that he had used epsco growth hormones, testosterone, etc, and that's the first kind of real threat starts pulling away at. At the legacy, because in that deposition under oath launch Armstrong Lawyers and without those laws Jeff Novitsky Arguably Martineau taken quite so much of an interest because he felt working for the food and drug. Administration the Federal Agency. He felt that the case walls one of fraud against US Postal Service. US Postal Service at sponsored this this legacy, this runner victories, and it suffered some damage to its reputation. Now of course the that investigation was closed down. Mainly because the US Postal Service fantastically well out of the association with Armstrong doping or or not, but the fact that Armstrong had lied under oath mentor, Novitski could. Could you had something to go on? It meant he could then compel other people to speak and as we not. Jonathan Voters Todd Hamilton Franken Endre Kristian von Nevada and so on spoke to Novitsky under. Under, oath, knowing that if they lied to a federal agent, they would be in serious both and say the whole kind of the House of cards starts toppling in in two thousand five with the sea promotions case Bopha an is a former multiple US champion bridge player He founded a company, called Sei promotions and a lot of their business walls, ensuring against. Hold him warning goal for Sports fixture American will match where there's a prize kicking. Field goal from the halfway line or Shooting the basketball from the halfway line. They would offer a form of insurance to cover the prize money for law competitions I also covered bonuses in sports, contracts and That was how the Armstrong connection came about Armstrong hit, ensured his first tour to France title in one, thousand, nine and two thousand with another company in taking pile, looking to do the same on a more ambitious. When he got in touch with Sei promotions or his management team got in touch with US promotions at Bob. Harmon lives in Texas. He's eighty one years old now and I got him on the phone a few days ago. Well right now I'm returned at my desk and the company's Office. report I got. It was pretty sympathetic to him, but. I didn't watch it so I can't comment. Tell me. What were you doing in the late nineteen nineties? Tell me about SCA promotions and what your regular business was well, they were ranging all the way from golf hole in one and half time entertainment to You know other chance base deals if we could get the odds right and security ridiculous. What staked? Mind game. Chess checkers go backgammon ochre. So chess go! Checkers are purely come to. Bridge you're dealing with an unknown problem, so there are a number judgment factors figuring out what it is. You've got to be able to put yourself in your opponent shoes. This word the situation. What would they do now? It's in the sensitive easier easier to play against expert players because that's the situation. There's a high probability that fell taking a given action. You're playing against some Bozo than what the hell they're doing. The they've played all you know for sure as it was the curb nurse. So however, so many mistakes. The fact that you played worse from the from the standpoint that you can't figure out what they're doing. I mean you have reasonable. But you're not your judgment against expert players except when they're when they have an opportunity to find deceptive players, is going to be a little bit better than against that players, but the players make so many mistakes doesn't matter so in your business with with SCA promotions. You you? You would have to understand. The events that you would be basically betting on really you'd have to weigh up what the odds would be. An armed from situation. We made major mistakes one. We were operating under the assumption. That's a Tutu France themselves to have versa adverse. Situation with Armstrong and him winning would not be good things, but actually was a good thing for them. Because broke the American audience to their. Organizers Jordan France and the Cycling Union showing have them in this. Not so much organizers definitely the cycling here so they're protecting him well. We were approached by perched buying insurance. And of course they posted it as a US Postal Service bonus in reality was launched betting on himself Chris Advisory Not to take the day, but being purchased smart, listen to somebody sector myself in our well, the original proposition was that in one twice in a row. Going into the Two thousand one sees. How about our bonus? If he wins will two, thousand, one, two, thousand, two, with more for two thousand, three initial kicker for two thousand and four, so we came up with a price God Swiss, re to participate and we were kind of. The first pay event was run two thousand two, so we pay the thing that was a million par that was a million five. Then there was three million. That was to if he won in two thousand three. And another four and a half million. That's he captured off choose. Four so now June two thousand four roles. David Roche's for appeared bowel, Sturgis Promotion Tracks John Van de. Was Fluent in French we've got a copy of the French addition you're that's and we suddenly start getting pretty concerned. So now two thousand four getty prevails and I. Write that. We're GONNA cut abuses, medical records and recent allegations of. Forced us to inquire, and he responded with a lawsuit to compel are portrayed. Well I. wait agreed on neutral arbitrator. The Guy who was the neutral arbitrator, but the problem is. That we have a really good case, because even though he's a miserable for a guy in Texas to rule against Lance Armstrong. And a Marshall Situation. What about very difficult. adver triggers very smart Guy Film Richard Choosing Neutral operate who was? And Chernick says you'RE GONNA. Lose, and you'd better get it, so so we saw. Well over and above this. Doing them. It costs us a little over. Two point seven, five million, in addition, four and a half million, so we were out. Five million by the time up all the costs and the fact that we settled for more than. So that was an expensive undertaking. So, this was this was pivotal, really because this was when Armstrong had to go on the record, the deposition in two thousand five. Didn't necessarily believer. He denied got that was. He said she said and Frankie's testimony wasn't all that great. And maybe it wasn't even material to the deal. Because there are some questions of insurance law that were present, so the point is we got. First place you didn't even represent that he had doped in the contract, and would that was part of the contract relying on. The tour. It's her gun and said it contract. You have to accept the adjudication of the ruling official says to one. Reason we got some of our money back. What's the effectively? You're like I don't. And, then he confessed on national TV Toepfer. Liked. This was. At the surprise was he confessed now done it. We knew he had done accompanied. money-back. Company got some of its money bar. We weren't at five million looser. Dale legal costs additional cost we got. Back. We washed simplest that we wasted a lot of I'm energy. I don't get emotional involved in these things. It doesn't matter. You can't change the past. He's just another slur, somewhat higher stakes the most, but the world's former. That was bulb of sea promotions in conversation with Lionel I'm we're going to hear now? From Marino Vich the director of Luntz I mentioned earlier that she directed film much earlier in her career. Bernard Tapie. The controversial businessman politician actor, who ran the all conquering Lavi Clare Team in the mid eighties that featured of course Battino. Greg Lemonde, but marina has also made films about Roma. Plans Ski Richard Pryor Robin Williams, and now of course lawns Armstrong, and so I started by asking her about what appears to be a theme in her career that she has drawn to the stories of complicated man. It's so funny I just kind of follow my nose and I never. Wasn't until my husband said. Will you make films about complicated men that I that I thought oh? You're right. You know I just kind of chase. Stories! So? My first film was about the struggles of independent filmmaker so I'd say maybe all my films are about will full men I don't know if they're complicated, but I guess if you're willful, you end up being complicated My second film was about tap e, which came about because I saw him act in a movie and I thought he was an actor. And The director of the film said this. You know the star. The film is in jail tonight. I didn't know why wasn't jail. I thought he was an actor I thought it was maybe drugs or something so. I kind of backed into that story I thinking. He was one thing and then finding out that he was the owner of the. Olympic Marseille soccer team any taken an acting job and Claude Lellouche movie to pay his legal bills, and it was like. Are you kidding like I never? In a million years thought I'd find better character than Bernard Tempe. And that was like in nineteen ninety eight. Right. Yeah, yeah, he's a great character. on it's a little film is because you were kind enough to send me a copy of vhs. I think it was. It was a great little film am. I mean with Armstrong did did you come into it with an awful of knowledge about Armstrong by sports of cycling? Not Really I mean I you know I I read the books, and you know. I watched Alex's film. I'd seen Alex is film before, but several years prior I watched. Stop at nothing I mean it's kind of like. I knew about Lance. Because I knew about it but I wasn't an expert on it I knew about him through Alex. was. Alex is a friend and mentor so I remember when he went through that experience and what that was like for him. I you know I made a film about Robin Williams, and he was friends with Lance I kind of land, the pop up and footage. And what have you, but I I didn't know? Really anything and it's almost I. Think better when you come in. Not Knowing just because you come to it fresh and there's kind of like A. A naievety about the whole thing that I think helps you because you can, you can look like you don't know. You don't know because you don't know so. There's something about when you're interviewing people. And you don't know something. They tell it to you in a better way than if they think you're an expert on it. That's been my experience like if they really think you're asking and your really listening save really kind of open up and tell you more than they would. Otherwise otherwise, everybody's kind of nod their. They're like glossing over stuff. I find your. That's a really interesting point. I mean as you know delved into the world of of Armstrong and cycling. He'd know been more than aware of how much noise runs him. How did you sort of managed to filter that I m but also? Linked question. Did you one of the one of the m the things? That, everybody says his desire to control the narrative to you know through his very. Dominant personality to really. AM exert. His control has charisma over over people. So how did you balance and being aware of all the noise them? and. Being true to the you know the subject, you're studying while also allowing yourself to be swept along by. Well. It's a fine balance. You know I think that I'm sophisticated enough that I could. Know on the one hand that. Books that I'd read. Or movies that I've seen. People said that you know he would charm them. And you know, take them and use them up. But at the same time I could have that knowledge in my head. But. Also be open to talking to him and hoping that he in in those ensuing years of a lot of. Therapy and kind of Looking at yourself and your actions, and trying to understand who you are and why you did things. Hoping that he's in a different place and being open to. His? You know. Personality and intelligence and Charisma and humor and lightness on his feet like I can keep all those ideas in my head. And know that you know. Maybe. He's trying to control the narrative. Maybe he's not You know I honestly felt that he had. Seen the darkest days already, he had survived them. He is. Lighter on his feet because that part is over and to me, that was like a really a a real dark period that. We would you know try to? Understand and get people to talk about and it was like. One of my favorite parts the film just because it's kind of like when when Christian Vandevelde says you know like George, said I should go and see him and I went to him, and you know like I had to go have a drink after having a drink with him. It's like. He wasn't in that place when I made this film. And I think that when I made the film. He was in a different place than he is right now. Did you like him? I don't know if the right word, but did you. You know, did you? Did you like him at the end of the process? It is the right word I did like him I did like him. I enjoyed spending time with him. We all did. We enjoyed filming him as I, said. He's very funny, very light on his feet. He has a lot of Han in his life. you know you would come away from being with him going God. I just don't have enough fun of my life. Will we alone towards the end of our Jiro the we have partnered up with Kaytusha to launch some new cycling podcast clothing, t shirts and cycling jerseys are really beautiful designs, lovely colors and They're taking pre orders. Note Rican registered interest in having. A piece of cycling podcast kick go to the site, can podcast dot com. Forward slash shop and you'll be able to go through the Tusha from there. On a share offering ten percent off all their stuff to our listeners. If he is anything else on the site that takes your fancy. You can use the code. K T C. P. for ten percent discount and that will be available. As soon as possible obviously, factories in Europe, their stuff is made in Europe and the factories of 'em been in a state of limbo, but they're opening up again now so hopefully the jerseys and tee shirts will be rolling reduction lines soon am we have a couple of other episodes of come I? Am Part this podcast family service. Course is a detailed Luca. Luca there. WHO BOUGHT BIKE team? With some fantastic interviews that lizzie banks has conducted Lizzy, who rides for big like a Tusha and present service course with Tom Walley and the latest episode is I now is really great. Listen, and an explore is out and I was well the latest episode of explore presented by you. Lionel with Ian Boswell on Hannah troop. Indeed yes, and it features Hannett interview with Emily, Chappell who has written a couple of books the most recent one being about. Experiences at the trends continental, the backpacking endurance event crosses the continent. Well listen? We heard from a Bob Rowan of SCA at promotions. And Marinas Novic the director of Lience. Am I mean one of the things I enjoyed? I would say about the film which I thought was good was marinas. Willingness and her desire clearly to. To to tell. A rounded an Kev. Balanced story she was looking to. And there are moments you know of you. Hear from a lot of people who clearly am don't feel very warm towards Armstrong understandably so onion Lionel when you were introducing your chat with ball permanant explaining. The background to that and the fraud and the corruption that was at the heart of is very difficult to hear that. And not. Feel quite angry all over again as we all you know, have foul at various times following an an. And writing by Armstrong and the damage that he did to the sport and But em! You know that there were moments in the film where. A slightly different sight of Armstrong was was revealed are certainly glimpsed. His relationships with his his family and she tried to think to. Talk about his his work with cancer patients as being Clearly became part of the the story, and he admitted that he used. He used that as a shield, but his actual individual dealings with cancer patients am. Seem, from what we can understand to be sincere and meaningful. Not least to those patients themselves and so she tried to paint I. Think is fool. As balanced a picture as possible, and I think the film benefited from that weather you have. Turned you off as somebody who's been burned and scarred by Armstrong and doesn't want to hear from ever again. It might well have done. You know an interest of making this balanced film I. I thought that not served. That served that well. Apart from a few exceptions yet it. People are capable of doing good things and bad things, and it's possible to say. You like something about launch some strong, whilst also really disliking other aspects of of what he's done in what he's personality alike. I mean you know people are complex, and and and I think that that attempt to kind of showing a three hundred sixty degree. View of him as a person was probably the thing that I took from the film, the most really I mean just the interaction with son Luke. WHO's a promising football player and just even even there the conversations about? The doping question the. Whatever you think of launch Armstrong, you can't watch him. Talk about the hurt. He felt when his son was basically getting bullied because people were saying his dad was a cheat and a doper I mean th you can't quite, people might say such. You're sociopathic. He does fake, but I don't think you can. You can fake that I mean he. He must feel that as well and they're all aspects of that. You can say well. That's the consequences of your actions. Live with it fine, but also that's a very real human consequences of those actions, and to see those little human interactions with his son. And then here you know wedding asked about whether or not. His son should dope, and he says basically were not as a freshman in college, but if was the NFL that's a different question, and it's almost like you get lulled into this feeling of empathy, for Armstrong and then he sort of just. Blunder. Everything sweeps everything off the table again by saying well, you know, but. Money beyond you know, we'd have to talk about and no napalm I think I think also somebody would say deserves credit for not censoring his answer on that and you know. We talked about the the issue of whether he's believable. And you know how much he lies, but they're all the time when he's telling the treatment people simply finding unpalatable. I'm. We can't have it. Both ways you know there are other occasions in the book. I'm sorry. There are other occasions in the film for example you when he's asked about whether he regrets what he did or whether he would do it again or whether it was a difficult decision to start doping again when he came back from Kansas, and he does. He replies with the unvarnished truth, which was no. It wasn't a difficult decision to start again and. Maybe some people would find to sugar coat and maybe Taliban line, but he doesn't. You're you're absolutely right down your? I thought the other thing the way you get a little glimpse of of of his truth. If you like is when when he talks about whether or not, he should have mitigated in his You know you need eventual confession I. Mean when he when he did confess when all and he said I needed a nuclear meltdown. Got You know he lost only sponsored in forty eight hours? you know he's hold? Identity as an athlete was stripped away from him overnight. People who believed in him What was suddenly confronted with the Truth and something that again Richard as you say that the cancer. Foundation was used as a shield. He used it as a shield and interviews there's. A couple of examples way saying come on. Would I take risk with my house? Having recovered from cancer, you know basically deflecting away the question about taking performance enhancing drugs, but the sincerity when it comes to helping people. And raising an awareness of a disease that people. Still very uncomfortable, talking about I was dismissive of the at the time, but I think saying saying now in the kind of the code lifetime now that he's been removed from that charity and well. The charity doesn't have the same know it doesn't have the same profile. Does I mean you can't divorce St-, the good things from the bat? They will of the same package. He drew the sanction, didn't they? Between using his own illnesses on cancer as a shield button, not using others, or you know certainly not. Using individuals who he was having having contact with and an trying to help and. Yeah I. Thought that was. That was quite interesting. I mean another another interesting part for me. was just crm strong age almost before our eyes, you know and you know he's he. He is getting capable darting by Sammy's me, but anyway he just seeing him still ten, plugging away and I thought the the film ended on a poignant note. M The. Running through deserted Kinda cold wet streets. You remember what whether that's the case, but that's my impression that he was not moment seemed quite lonely. You know there. There was this. He's wearing. A kind of strange M, almost a triathlon outfit Leggings, and all in black, and he's out for this kind of qualified quite lonely, punishing run from which he doesn't seem to be getting an awful lot of pleasure, although that's often the case when you see people running the impression, and but it was A. There is something quite sad about that. I thought am. That's if you have over the course of the previous four dollars. I suppose that's the task whether you've developed any kind of sympathy. It'll with Armstrong and I guess I may be had pick through these glimpses of warmth, or of a slightly different sight to him, and maybe not had developed a little bit me, but you know it's. I I as you said earlier. I'm Daniel arline all remember what she said. We can't. Fanciful to Magin that we're just going to serve. Move on from Armstrong and forget that he existed not return to the story. Anti Armstrong himself. We're going to keep doing that. And and personally I find the Armstrong story still interested enough to do that. And I certainly sat through the Ford Rs of this film at Pre engaged by uninterested by. The another ten years it'll be another one and I'll probably sit through that as well. Yeah I'm still interested in the story rich I mean don't know how you feel about the sort of still forensically picking apart the the slight inconsistencies in the story or maintaining. That hasn't told the whole truth. I mean there are some. There are some curious little details in this film for example, the issue of when he started doping with particular substances. I mean they're. They're definitely some. Very. Creditable on well read sources on this matter who say the. Who believed that he's he started using API with one thousand, nine, hundred, three, a, not as he says in the film I think in one thousand, nine, hundred five, and there's also the issue of. What could be an inconsistency about the hospital room incident? And he said in the Oprah interview in two thousand thirteen to start two thousand thirteen. When he was asked. Is it true what Betsy Andreu said that? Did you sort of confess to? The! Consultant, who was there at the time, and he said I'm going to lie down on that. I'm not going to take that on, and she oprah Winfrey kind of move interview on the documentary. He he now says he he doesn't remember. You know I think one of the dangers with these interviews and you know having been interviewed for this particular into. This particular documentary I can vouch for this. You sit there, and you're interviewed for an hour an hour and a half, and this is not to save as any sort of foul play on the PA the director but Sound soundbites are extracted, and then they exist until the end of time for people to pour over and identify inconsistencies in and sometimes I think they can be over magnified I'm not sure. Whether. Those two instances for example about the hospital room whether that was very deliberate, Armstrong to say back then he wasn't gonNA. Take you on I mean he's not just. Another way of saying he'd Forgotten I. Don't I don't know about you guys whether you feel any more mileage to be. Have as you have an interesting. Still going back in an revisiting those you know, those details really What took when he took it. I think I'm as a as there. I'm probably more interested. In Armstrong the person on how you know He. Becomes reconciled to. His his story, his legacy on on what Warren, who he is now and am I guess one of one other point worth making. Is that when you when you see him am? Sitting in you know in relative luxury, and clearly still having a pretty good lifestyle you. Do you do think that he got away with a you know obviously its reputation that suffered financial materially I. I did point out. Fine isn't a yeah I mean. We were discussing in the week. a an incident, an episode in the in the film that a lot of people have mentioned quantum using episode where he cuts his finger on a potato, think preparing dinner and and I happened to notice that there was a bottle of Italian red wine open on the kitchen workshop, and it's a bottle of Tin Antonello, which is a very very expensive. Italian one kind of wine that you arrive would uncork on a school night. two hundred quit a bottle sort stuff. I mean this is where it's so combine that because I I, you know. I can feel myself. Gang quite angry when I listened to Lionel earlier, describing the the the the financial kind of heist at the heart of this really. Yeah so I was just GonNa say the problem is from the perspective of now we look back all of that history and assume that there is kind of that was definitely a goal and everything was done to go towards that goal rather than an opportunity presented itself. I mean I think when you listen to. When Hey Bob Hamad talking about how he took that on and white up the risk. You know it was just an opportunity for Armstrong character, know how you? Combat on ourselves. We can get some more money here. That's how this game works. Let's play this game as well as on the side. Hustle almost and and I think that we do. So remind ourselves that you know the the whole picture. It broken down into its constituent parts, and everything was serving one goal, which was to to keep winning the Tour de France course, and I'm really that it's a lesson of allowing a sort of ruthless ambition to go completely unchecked by my final Tyco I would be just how kind of weak I'm willing the UCLA walls. This potential Globalstar Star I a fairytale story that could. Project cycling onto a global playing field and an elevate cycling through launch Armstrong. It was an opportunity for for the sport as well and I think it's too easy to say the. The the issues by it because it was founded on doping. Some good things have come out of it. As. Well, you know even even even look the slipstream team coming out of it and offering opportunities, I I to just kind of give Jonathan voted a free Polish here with that comment, but there are cone of good have come out over a great deception. which let's not let's not forget is now in the Open I. Mean we all know, imagine an another. Universe, where we still have to fight Armstrong, people knew they were having to be silent and were being silenced I mean that would be awful. It's the ultimate side final comment on the film I arm so himself as supposed that we can say that he he go away with a on. He didn't get away with it. He no, he got away with it in some respects financially materially bought in in in having those titles in having his name there with the greats in. A, you know I and I. Think again go back to that that that moment that real kind of most revealing moment of the film for me was Armstrong's face on his the the the hurt the rawness of the hurt, still that he wasn't able to do an iron man, and and so that that must eat away at him I would imagine. And Rich, we always talk about it in terms of well as a Hollywood story, in which was in terms of being kind of fairy tale, the whole home strong powerful was a bit of a fairytale, but. Hollywood always like morals at the end of the story and this stage. Ten years on whatever is. The moral of the story, one moral of the story and moral of the documentaries, particularly documentary is to my mind. About forgiveness and I think the people who have done best in this story as they often do other people who've been able to give an. Crystal Basle for example and Filippo Simeoni were held up as heroes rightly at the time because they made a stand against Armstrong, but they are also the heroes of the story to my mind and others as well and nothing floyd London based on what we saw in the documentary. You could also put in this category as well. They're heroes because they've been able to forgive I heard. An interview on when the Talian website more Italian podcast Filippo Simeoni We spoke to him last year the entirely, but he went even further in this Italian. interview and he talked about how forgiven Armstrong, and how he wished him all the best, and how he's still considered him the winner of those tools to France I mean. We don't have to subscribe to that sort of bottom line, but. He. He's moving on with his life. Crystal Bassam's like never really stopped, and he never really dwelled on this question as far as he's. He was concerned he was. He was a lot luckier than Lance Armstrong. He had an upbringing in a family. Sort of value system that was healthy and Lance Armstrong's and he never really. To Welt. Dwelled on the on the kind of incident for too long, the famous incident with Armstrong one, thousand, nine, hundred nine, so I think it is about it's about forgiveness, and you could say sort of forgiveness is the antechamber to redemption, and this means that if we forgive, we were able to forgive Lance Armstrong we we redeem him and he's going to be here of the sport again. I don't think that's going to be the case. The crime was too big. And it cover too much time. I, mean you know. This was seven years in the biggest race in the sport? The the the race who's Trans am whose importance transcends the whole spall and. That's also why we can't forget it because. It occupies a huge space in the history of Song. Do you think that one of the things that we we are missing out on Richard? Issues you going back to your point about the stores? You'd like to hear I mean. There will come a time where we'll be able to look back at those seven tools and talk about the the spill on the passage. Du Gua which Armstrong property from another lost out or you know he's do volunteer with market. Pantani or know orix crashing well. I'm trial or the the moment on Lusardi Dan where bagged hate I hate to Plug Molin booth. When I did the top of years ago, which is a collection of chapters, a boat, great or or dramatic stages in the tour? I interviewed Armstrong about his stage win in the moisten ninety five to stem a couple of days after Fabio, Casartelli, staff and the incident lose our the Dan in two, thousand and three. And I spoke to him exclusively those two racing moments which shelve encompassed an awful lot else besides you tragedy and and. You know crashing and all the rest of it too, but. I did I was two chapters. Are those stages on on on their own? They're not devoid of the the context and the dopey. The the. What central to them is the drama of what happened on the day, and so I tried to because I I did recognize even then. This was a few years ago the that that was where we would end up on I think if we're not there already. We're certainly we're certainly headed there, but it doesn't resolve every difficult question I mean. Where does he impractical times? Where does he sits in sport? When they're all in ten years, you know receptions organized and anniversaries a where every toll winner is invited, or you know every world championship win invited I. Mean What? What does the sport do I mean and that is where I still sort of sitting here and scratch my head and I don't really know the answer I. Don't really know whether the reason good ons. Demolished, Cardiff, greatest riders of all time lists or the greatest races of all time list because it is it is there like a great big black smudge across seven years of the tour history and across the sports, Historian and I'm not a big fan of Louis Anyway, so I'm pretty both. And had had been a better rider or better cheat than him, you might say and had only won the tour twice or three times he would probably still be in the role of honor of the tour, and he will probably still have those kind of laurels and accolades. Yep. He too big in the. Should've kept it believable. Yep well there. We are I'm not sure it'd be the final word on on on Lance. The film and An awesome for awhile. If if any of you're still listening. Thanks for thanks for stay staying with us. Loft comment isn't misconstrued as it's okay to cheat a little bit just don't cheat too much. I mean that's. That was a flippant comment. Editor take not caveat qualification for why I think we. We know what I meant as I said earlier. Nancy we're doing press conference. Please phone and your questions on anything a toll at two phone. Sorry, Leave A. Voice memo at plus four, four, seven, nine, seven, one, three, three, eight, zero five. But we should leave it there. Thank you very much. Lionel thank you, Richard. Thank you Donyo. Thank you.

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2020 Tour de France Stage 10

"We also got a lot of notes about something else that I was very happy to hear because I was tended to press the other day that that Pogo Char had then become the youngest winner of a stage of the tour, Franson in modern cycling and the guy before that. That was the youngest was. Yours truly. Well thanks to the readers for doing doing all the research and and if we had our head not abar asked we would have known this. As a little embarrassed that we didn't catch this, and so I still have the crown. was. The first thing I said to me this morning when I walked and I still got still got the crown youngest rider ever to win the stage right to you know it's you know you gotta find morale anywhere join the rest they really helped you. You set the alarm earlier you really excited about today's cross. Wednesday Jr. then we've got a new land coming for the latter part of the race. All right everybody. Welcome back to the move podcast. I'm your host Lance. 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Kobe testing I know that I'm sure you guys misted Johann was texting us at five forty this morning. I was asleep that deb, all the riders tested negative, which is great to integrate to hear four staff members from four different teams tested positive as well as the director of the Tour de France Christian. PRUDHOMME. So he gets sent home, which is kind of crazy So we can get it was great to hear that tour is continuing on and I was really overjoyed overjoyed to turn on the TV and see the race happening. Yep I, mean if you think about and some of the quotes we saw online seven hundred people in the bubble are just just think about these number seven, hundred people a lot of people. That are on the road every day different hotels come into contact i. mean we talked about the spectators just as close as they've ever been seven hundred people only five positive results, and that's amazing. That is action the fact that none of the riders that's just Mind Boggling no we were all disturbed AC-. in one way. Great to see all the fans. But it was also very disturbing all the fans some of them screaming in the faces of the writers as their climbing these mountains It's kind of weird look these days but the fact that all the riders are negative and continue on racing his great great news. Now, there is something about and this just an I. Tell You. This is just a personal thing I. Think Cova is very serious. And it's you know unfortunately costs a lot of people, their lives, and that means you know people have lost family members and loved ones not good but there is a lot of data and the listeners out there just correct me if I'm wrong because you always do which I love There's a bunch of data around the chances of outdoor transmission right and so you know when I was like I've been doing all these hikes right? I can't ride Georgia bum neck but man people freak out when you're you see them Like we're outside a Read the data Well, we've seen people even on on the mountain bike trails were writing. They'll run up half of the side of the cliff to get up and yeah, it's it's definitely more. So cautious here in Colorado then Texas where I was just there a couple of weeks ago right? People in Colorado definitely hiking with mass writing with masks which I think would be very difficult. You always yell at us for hitting the table and you can do at this year when I, get. Golly, the other things begin to Colorado and speaking of being outdoors and hiking ain't nobody going to be outside today or tomorrow it was eighty five degrees year yesterday, and now by the end of by the time it's dark tonight we're going to six inches of snow on the oh I mean, look at this I mean is this some bullshit or what it's September is not even middle of September yet, and we're GonNa have six inches of snow. I might leave you guys will have to stay do this podcast. We can move the show to Greenville, Carolina's pack it up and go you know I talked about that. You know the other thing today is they were messing about me forty seven kilometers average free people working miles. That's. That's almost thirty miles an hour. And small twisty roads boy that's like you said, it wasn't much action but for the riders and guaranteed those a ton of action, there was crashes. People were very on edge the whole ride and you saw you saw something the crash I think we should discuss that one huge crash where Thomas quesions one of the Rx Hincapie riders fell down in Las Pretty much all the skin on his left side of the body. Something like that is just really there's no way of avoiding download at fifty miles an hour or forty miles an hour. Sorry and somebody touches a wheel in front of them and just even if you're on the opposite end of the road. Ten or fifteen hours away from that. There's a good chance. You'RE NOT GONNA be able to get through that crash, which is what we saw today the whole world road gap blocked off and it's just super bad luck for those guys that had nothing to do with the crass but still ended up on the pavement well, when and it started on the far right? Just just domino dominant all of a sudden people flying off the left side of the road now. That's a scary. That's really scary moment cycling. Yeah we saw Gotcha. Hit the pavement, and that was very narrow section through turn but he didn't seem to panic. He just got up, put his arm up way for a new bike. Well, he had time but I do think it's. It's always cool to see a young kid that's the calm and poise like all right just crashed and but I got time. Let me. Just very calm and it was the first thing. Take a little inventory right? You nothing nothing fucked up here bike my get new bike boom off we go. Yeah. Yeah. Even though he's he has made an incredible comeback from his time that he lost in the crosswinds last week and I think he's definitely become a g contender. Like you said to see him so common in such a moment of stress relatively close to the finish I think indicates where his had is out right now his confidence. It's an interesting to see. Cool to to see just how emotional Sam Bennett was it was he was he was apologetic now that he was. Finally. said in when he was doing the post race interview and then he You start crying and he said I'm so he said I'm sorry I don I. Don't want to be a cry baby man. Let me tell you something. That you ain't. No crybaby. All right. You just WANNA stage in the Tour de France nervous. Day You're in the Green Jersey Fuck you could. I don't care what you do. Now I, get it like it's a lifetime of hard ass work. Yeah. Right. For that moment, not only that, but he had several close calls the. So this past week I think he's gotten top five three or four times and all the pressure in the world from his whole country of Ireland has whole team put it out there every day for him and for him to finally pull it off and you know not let dow get his mind as just a massive achievement forum. So I was super happy to see him put off visit it just me or these roads did these run in seem narrow I duNno I It they think too narrow. Honestly. And I know start to get like PTSD and sweaty and stuff because of the legs that stick out from the bears narrow today with the barrier legs sticking out drives me nuts well. A couple of directors have said this is the most dangerous tour route. They've seen in a long time and they're not happy about it. I. Mean the Tour de France it's dangerous can be without. Being narrow. So it's unfortunate that they're going through these tiny little roads and tack on wind today and all the stress of trying to. The sprinters going for the sprints and then guys not lose time. It just makes for a very dangerous situation a bit hang on a second with they've always gone through these roads. Now what they've that's factory. Yeah. Now, what what is not? Always been the case is. This the sport. Now just call it two hundred guys rolling down the road. As a as an entity as a as a moving. As the PELETON's called, it's just a lot faster everything's faster. They're all fitter. The bikes are a lot faster i. mean the with their bikes wheels, the wearing skins like the whole thing is just a lot faster which makes now I mean, what are you going to do? The only you gotta start then trying to slow it down like the doing in car racing or something I mean it's just going to those spur on flat ground. How of this sprint speeds compared to when you were racing George Oh. That's a good question. I'm not quite sure of the answer of that I mean. I was raised with mark avenues used one of the best printers ever which hopefully we get him on the next day or two. Breakdown and sprint, and and we can check on check in and see how he's doing. But he was clearly very fast as well I think today in particular those like I mentioned earlier small roads, lots of wind and a lot of furniture which we all hate travel gallons, the meetings in the middle of the road, and now that has changed. Yeah it was that day there seemed like there was a lot of them you know and I just in Guys I. Felt like I felt like I was on today I felt like. I'm going to say something fucking brilliant. and. I just thought of something else. Another amazing idea that I guarantee you. They're gonNA start doing. Okay. So to Georgia's part to your question to Georgia's point, wouldn't it be cool and of course, some days the sprints aren't as fast. But what if if we knew like is just as a fan or as a viewer? WHO Somebody that rides and they go outside and they're going downhill and they're going twenty five miles an hour thing man I am flying thirty miles an. Would if we knew just how fast they were going like at the peak of the sprint forty, two miles an hour that would be dope. Yeah they're like they should tell us that every day I. Think the family like Holy. Shit. I think there is there is a great idea. There's the option out there with the the the one sort of Organization called the lawn. Where they have the speed and the power of a lot of these writers but I think that they're not Cohesively working with. Not Seen in France. Technologies out there and I think it is a great idea and it's already out there. I don't know I mean there's probably days there there F- forty, five I don't know g you know better than George but that would be I mean as a that's some cool content like holy cow, these guys are rubbing elbows at forty five miles an hour. Yeah, for sure. Should also mentioned that Sam Benenson Green, right in the Green Jersey today I of sense gone. Now, he clearly cares about that. I. Mean he was up there he got third. Yes the team as I obviously chain a bunch of their goals in the last week with Felipe. Sitting up or getting dropped their in the sword and the knees last week today losing I, don't know if he got back comedy crashed again So we're GONNA. See quickstep going for stage wins now and become a real aggressor of the tax and It should be fun to see because they are specialists in sorta racing. So a little bit of Trivia few folks out there, you can email it into us. What's our email again the move we do dot tension. So Sam Bennett only the sixth winter from Ireland who are the other five and I'll just tell you right now because everybody's GonNa know this one on Sean Kelly died. So, who's the other four? Dan Martin, Stephen Roach now you've already told you before the show stop this on. The Listener. Got It got Almighty. Doesn't work that way On The right in. Yeah. Just send us. In turn out to google it because I google it. So I know the answer. So just thinking your head like who are the other the other four winners I think we should pull up. The guys guys in the back of ready to pull up the picture of tops collusion's which we'll see how badly he got hurt. That ready guys. I. Don't know. We're ready to. Go see that as a day in the Tour de France not only is he coming off of arrestee which you know these guys typically come off their refresh they're ready for the week, but there's just a terrible way to start. The second week of the Tour de France and unfeeling form fortunately I did see him cross the finish line he was smiling and talking to some of it buddy. So I think he'll. He'll be okay well, and that's just you know that I mean magin sleeping with that every time you roll over waking up and we've all been there. It's not. It's not fun fun I know another thing that George wanted to point out from today that you observe was how well Jumbo. Visa was protecting. Yeah they continued to impress I mean, of course, there have incredible climbers able to control the climate states with daylight today where you have some of the best classic writers in the world if not, the best guys fighting for position trying to stand in front of the Cross wins but the jumbo just have their composure altogether controlling not only the mountain stages been now the stages in the wind and the flat races. So these guys are right there on stoppable. I JUST I want to be on his little personal, but did see what happened to me just now. Mister. So I did I. Don't know if it's the smoke. We got smoke back here in the valley or my allergies. So I just did one of those nasal rinses. Just. Now, I. Did it right for a walked over and I went reached over to pick up my notes. And I mean it was like a hose just I'm so glad we didn't capture that. Might have caught some of it. Holy Shit. That was like it was like a gallon just came out of my nose. Gross. T, my Dad Team I. Yeah. No it was. But I'm very I would at this point in my life I want to be totally honest and transparent with you guys and with this audience of. Back to the Kobe. Things were we were able to confirm that One of the teams has been able to replace one of their. I don't know it was mechanic or massage therapist, but they were able to replace him only because they were able to pull one guy out of Torino. Drain. WHO's also in the bubble? They can't just bring another staff member from home unless he quarantines for a week so. Unless you got a guy that's in a bubble on another race, you're not. You're not able to replace the which could be a very important. I didn't even know Torino's going on right now. Yeah. That's going on that is that's a great. That's an iconic Graham imagined being. Yeah. Just totally forgotten. That's where we're getting with his pack season. We're GONNA from now until November was going to have back to back racing. There's GonNa be a lot of overlap overlap, Jiro Vuelta and other races. Well it. Then if they get out here healthy, I mean there was some the believed that if If this, if there was an outbreak, the tour that not only with the tour be cancelled, but the rest of the season would be cancelled, which would it so far so good. So now keep clicking along should we talk about what we think for tomorrow are actually you know what actually I want to bring this up? This is cool picture. So I was looking at pogba jars twitter page O'Day primarily if he followed me. Most importantly a dozen. So if anybody knows them, just tell them give me a follow on twitter at Lance Armstrong, but his profile pic look at this kid, and this might be explained why he's calm and holy fuck I mean this might explain why he doesn't really worry about stand in the middle of the road after crashing look at the air. I mean that is. That's impressive. I would never do that. These days this is I. Know You didn't have quite this upbringing cycling, but I feel like it's so important for young riders to be able to do any kind of cycling mountain biking track writing and get all the disciplines of bike in get experience with that, and as you see today this, these are the guys that are able to navigate their way months the most dangerous sections of the race and become successful writers. Yeah. Now. It's great. I mean I commented earlier maybe he's you know like cigar did the Olympic Games and now goes out and races I mean this kid with his power on the climbs and if you can ride a mount by like looks like again. Shit have I'm Bein what's his guy? The the Swiss Guy Nikki. Hershey. Hirsch what no the OH. Yeah. NICO NICO NICO NICO shorter sir. Yeah I might be stressing guy was coming from my. metal. He's a bad ass for sure. All right. Let's talk about tomorrow. But before that will take care of a little bit of business today show also brought to you by Roka a love. These things not just the the sunglasses that I wear. The new one is the matador just put these bad boys. this. This is the coolest Lens. That, I've had in many many moons. Holy Cow Look. Pretty good. Do you see that right now J. B. You look at that I'm still thinking about your nose running like all it's. It is actually still drip a little bit. It's disgusting. But I felt like I had to get all that stuff out. These guys. So this brand based in Austin. Texas. Started by athletes for athletes which I think is super legit. Bunch of great writers in the tour we see them every day and also my readers you know I'm up to the two point does everybody can follow how bad my eyes are deteriorating over the years. The ROKA reader up to the two point does head on over to Roka are okay. Dot Com and the buyers here's floated the by code is the move. Twenty off for your first purchase they are legit. Last one of the day. Now, this you talk about legit this thing is. Is A game changer for difference maker endured I barely get to mess with it because Georgia's constantly coming over and stealing a hyper volt These guys have been around a long time, their absolute crushing it used by a bunch of teams in the tour quickstep Jumbo Visa lawsuit all we posted up our picture yesterday of you images having a little little quality time with art with our norm tech's on on the rest of correct on our rest day we actually had. and. We should had queued up but we somebody sent in a funny picture of US sitting there together like much old men. But it was it's The the these these guys are onto something hand-held massage devices, vibrating foam rollers, thermal technology obviously, the normative compression boots bunch of people and I think we actually saw a lot of ourselves some images of guys on the rest day with the boots on as well. Know from the actual race fifty dollars off some of the percussion devices three hundred dollars off all normative packages right now, no code needed head on over to hyper ice H. Y.. P.. E. R. I C. E. DOT COM high-priced dot com use the code hype the move. For ten percent off hype, the move flow code. So it's funny. Somebody asked us about what technology we'd have we. We wish we had when we were racing. I feel like we had all these devices, the power dot the hyper is volt the normal tax. Which I did have normal tax back. Key tones I mean. It's all about recovery. You know it's all about keeping the body healed and to to to perform the next day. So these devices are definitely helping with that. We came along at a time I remember George. You'll remember this when we first started racing. you know the Swan years didn't first of all they didn't do laundry. Okay. So you ever we all did our laundry in the sing a long time ago the first year maybe the racing I'm just saying, did you do your laundry think stamina keep going? So Swine Hurston do laundry not this is just the way that it was. Also to female sworn years we're taboo just total bullshit. That's completely changed about what you know what hang on a second I actually want to say one of the thing and this is I'm fucking pissed at myself about this because I got some notes about this when I was talking about. Sports and and Stars of sports and how sports really live and die by the athletes. Right. I've talked about tiger and golf at talked about Jordan and Lebron and basketball talked about. You know man and bad on me and I got a lot of notes about this. Because at the end, just sort of threw it away and the gals you know that's not an acceptable. I'm that's I ought to be putting time out all right I mean Serena Williams, and tennis. I mean come on. The US Open's going you're not going to watch. You don't even know these guys plan I don't know these guys named the Serena everybody knows Serena right everybody knows you know when I think of you know back in the day when I think of swimming everybody knows Janet Evans Right everybody knows you know so that that is bad on me. I'm sorry So back to what I was saying so. The massage tables were like. Just. Pieces of metal that had a really thin layer of padding on them and they they could home and in a really small they were light. But as this is evolved over the years I mean massage tables are now now these big you know proper massage tables but all of this stuff is evolved and become acceptable or accepted. You know whether it is devices like the hyper volt or power daughter all these things like back then they would have been like. You don't need that like just go raise your bike back. Then they wouldn't even let you put a anything bigger than a twenty three in your back cassette. Showed up, you imagine rolling up like ninety three with a skin suit on. An Arrow frame? And thirty on the back. From your biggest cog committee, you would have been the lashes out hackel out of the they would have laughed you right out of the PELETON's now everybody were skin suits and they have the big ears in the back save their legs in the climbs yet totally different. Totally. Thank goodness. I think we were. We went to twenty five pretty early people too, and I don't know if it was more just for training but we were big believers in that just. You can go do an easy ride in the climbs if you have the gears. Yeah. Totally. We'll start about tomorrow because there's it's you know I haven't checked the weather or the wind but. The one thing I did check and I think we got an image of it which. Is It could play a factor towards the end is there's a little got to come into town within five. K to go. Get will rise there right at three K. in the thing that you won't see this is the the the to the profile but. Right before three kilometers to go and right before that climb, and it's actually noted in the race book. This is very sharp turn. So it's GonNa be a hard left with three days ago. And, we don't know if that means sharp or narrow or both, and then bow, which means fighting to get to be in the front providing like crazy because you don't WanNa get gap dot. You're. GonNa get. Gap. Off Their and five, six percent could be you know could be enough for a guy like Alex Bregman airmont. Trenton. To do an attack and get away with two or three guys and enrolled into the finish line. What about New Solo? He's gone I know. He gone back. Home. Advisor like ours. We did see we did see a stronger Sagong today me news not like he was just came out of the wheel and went backwards today actually got third place and he was he was right up there among Caleb and Bennett. So I think he's getting better. In your looks better he looks better he does he doesn't look so awkward. I'm also finding really interesting that Sun web is right now doing the best lead outs they haven't WANNA stage yet they're the guys that are all together which sprinters. This is what you want. You want three or four guys right in front of you with climate or two kilometers ago you're safe. You're you have the right to be where you're at you're not getting typically you're not getting bumped off the wheel. So right now web is doing the best lead outs. Better than quickstep better than on me. Quick. Obviously had markup right there at the end but there was only one or two guys where some web still had three or four guys obviously quickstep pulled it off where it counted but some web so far has got the guys together at the end you know the best. Hey, we did we also got a lot of notes about something else that I was very happy to hear because I was Kinda depressed the other day that that. Pogo Char. had then become the youngest winner of a stage of the tour, de France and modern cycling it and the guy before that. That was the youngest was. Yours truly. Well thanks to the readers for doing doing all the research. Olive are astute listeners I mean and if we had our head not our ass, we would've known this. As a little embarrassed that we didn't catch this and so I, still have the crown. So He's was the first thing said to me this morning when I walked in I still got it. I still got the crown youngest ever to win the stage right towards you know it's do you know do you do you gotta find morale anywhere like the rest they really helped you you set the alarm earlier you really excited about today's cross Wednesday Ge- Then we've got a new lands coming in for the latter part of the race if people in catch that conversation you know Gotcha ours what four days younger than you? Yup. For this. This tour taking place in September. Right, years was in July Yep. So I guess like I said, I'm in a I. Don't know how we missed it but The most important thing here to talk about is I still got the crown. Right got the crown and he just texted he also was tested yesterday in his negative. So he's going to continue to be our Austin. Road correspondent. Great News Andy Thank you for sharing. Awesome like some more comments questions. Okay This is from Eric I will never forget at last year's tour of California. When I was working in the Green Room Printing leaders jerseys. And after handing handing Picacho ours the Young Writer Jersey. I remarked to today's that it matched his UAE kit. He replied I only care about yellow. Who granted it's technically gold in tour of California, but his confidence was so strong. What else from Eric? I'm not totally firing today I. Feel I. I have I've clearly not firing because I. Forgot to q Allan. Because it's kind of an interesting. It's a tough on pronunciation. Yeah. This is will be fun headphones on the whole time either by the way that's because you. You you're worried about what you look like So let's Yes. So stage ten from. My Turned it down stage. Ten. Literally. Lucia to home to. Away, some are Sunday. Oh my God. That's a tough. That is just I'm not even GONNA attempt that. You, know in the other thing that's been happening is our friend Genitalia who did the rendering there of George the most interesting man in the world on the couch for Athletic Brewing One of our great supporters He's got some competition. Okay people he Joe Justino you've inspired people. To. To Send US stuff. And and this is. This, top three for me. Straight, out A. Yes. STRAIGHT OUT OF RAKING BED Walter, he's Jesse I guess. That is amazing. Joe You'd better you'd better not You'd better get some sleep tonight and wake up with some inspiration mar that was sent from Jason Simpson by the way we also heard a really cool story from errol. John Useless one of the Oh Jeez and American professional cycling. Now, a journalist he wrote a story on facebook about how rogue lick twenty two years old decided to. quit And he was one of the basket jump in the country of Slovenia. which is very competitive there to be one of the best jumpers and called a really. Under twenty three team and said Hey I want to be professional I don't WanNa see anymore. Can you help me and the guy said, well, how old are you need said? Well, I'm twenty two he's like it's too late and impossible you'll never make it. He's a all considered letting you on the team, but you gotta pay for yourself with your bicycle, your license, all that which is five thousand euros at the time. So Rogue Lik said Okay I'll call you back. He called him three months later apparently went to work at a grocery store saved up five thousand euros call him back three months later said I have the money I'm ready that saint through all of this stuff. Pretty, crazy story you know. I mean, and that's just that's that's DNA. That takes right I. Mean if you if you're going to go work at a grocery store to make the money to get the he, he's going to do the work on the bike. That's the same DNA. But I think you thank you guys should elaborate on someone not even starting to ride a bike until they're twenty, I mean it's just. It's it's almost unheard-of. It really is. Yeah. It's. It's amazing when a lot of that you know these Belgian kids are born riding a bike and you have competing very young age. Yeah. I mean it REPCO was REPCO haven't also a really good soccer player in Belgium I mean played soccer to lose eighteen years old and then decided to take cycling more soon look at him. He's one of the best guys in the world. In another one of our Loyal. Listeners or somebody sent us this on the side of the road that some somebody captured this on twitter. This talk about making my rest. They look at Hello I mean this is what a snapshot and and I don't know whose Senate Higgs maybe you know what a heads up. Snap that's so look at that right there. One of us at Santa almost like Santa Clauses wearing the we do Jersey but that is. That's also one of our listeners, pick it up and screen shotted. Just, a spectator wearing one of the like that's original. We do share it right with the big lettering and wonder if it's Jersey. It's a jersey, the route that's the og. Jersey wow. I can't believe anyone notice that it's a blip. Golly. All right. Here's some more. This is also interesting about Bugatchi. And Olivia, wrote this into remind. That he was locked for a month in the same hotel in a in a hotel in the emerets. Remember when they all add the shutdown and and they were quarantined for a month, I? Didn't I remember reading that story that some of the team members I didn't realize he was one. And they were training I mean they had their rollers in there I believe right I'm not sure I think so using but still I, mean. How much much training can you do? God Almighty. The the talk about PTSD right Here's one from disbar area that's a screen name but what would be the best way to fix the Polka Dot Jersey. What if they based on total ascent time for all categorized climbs in whichever rider climbed? The fastest cumulatively wears it. On the day. Sent us yesterday and this was just sent it to us. Personally. I actually think lars since this who's who helps us with some stuff on team here he sent it in and said, what if they timed all the climbs I said I'd vote for that that you would obviously been know who the fastest and the best climbers. So. Yes. The answer's Yes. I don't yeah I think that would be interesting but in the really complicated complicated as well. No wouldn't now it's it's just a chip title GPS. It's all. You do it at your fun though correct drew. I keep thinking about. I. Mean it was. Was that a burn notice or what was it burned north. At times, you get the sprinters. There have been times when a sprinter will get the best time on the climb because he held onto the core like an hour. Oh. About that Mario Cipollini can tell us about the. Role he was top ten, it was either but that was more getting pushes. The fans the the narrow, and there was so many spectators. He just got pushed the whole way up. Top Ten. Awesome. Okay. Here's here's here's a couple of very contradictory messages This is from John it says. US does do rogue Lich and Picacho trained together and Slovenia according to Eurosport they live in Monaco and they do train together. And then someone else wrote to us on Zeh said rogue lich rogue lick and Pu Gotcha are didn't train together and Slovenia they trained together. with their teams abroad they are not actually friends they are from different generations of writers they might be Slovenians, but above all they are rivals. I I'm not GonNa read too much into that. Maybe. They're not. Going on vacation together. But that's different than just downright hating somebody I when we saw. With with that the almost crash there you know three or four stages ago that it seems to me like there was some camaraderie and some mutual respect there used to love your American rivals. Hey, didn't like I didn't. Back, they hate it. Now that's listen we were just morons and we just made this stuff up. We made up reasons to not like people, which is not the way to do it out going back. I'd do it differently. Would you yeah I mean I can get that mindset at adds fuel. Right, you hate your opponent but yeah. Get your hate on. I get it. I. Mean Extra Large Servant of hater tots every day. Big Old Goalpara hater raid This is interesting. Michael Writes O.. J. B. Lance and Georgie Got Georgie on that one back in the day on, say couldn't wear yellow in the Tour de France which your thoughts on jumbo wearing yellow. We had this. We were talking about it during the stage again, and then they also asked, do you have a favorite kit in the Peleton today that's from Michael and it's it's I don't know how obviously they changed the rule because on say was you know all year long was a very yellow Jersey and during the tour, they made them where a black or him wear some other curly. When you're was pink when you're was black I, don't know I mean, it's yeah. When you're watching that overhead shot, you can. Walk Right, now, they have the Jersey. So I guess it doesn't matter much but but we couldn't distinguish between Adam Yates and some of the. Shot Which? We actually commented on that. How much as so much hate that because the L. Jerseys meant to stand out more than anything you know that's a good question and it's actually a question that I think I can get the answer to I'm not. You're not the only one getting scoops and sources an Intel right? I. Let me work on getting that answer. Okay. Work on now getting the answer about whether or not bogus. Rogan. I've gone right to the source on paper and I will leave it at that. Got It. All right. If you have comments or questions, you can post them on our facebook channel Youtube channel or send him to the move. We do team we're GONNA do picks Tamar Yeah let's talk about I. Think Tomorrow I just think it's going to be I think it's going to be nervous the last four or five K in that vinyl turn that sharp turn that's clearly pointed out in the race book and then, and then you five or four to six percent grind for six or seven hundred meters. That's. That's GONNA. Put some stuff. Takes a guy like to me. It takes Galaxy Caleb. Equation. but and you know what guys and I said I'm not going to do this anymore but I'm going to I'm going back on my word. Because I saw him today on or you're going to take my pick I'm picking Peters again. Yeah. That was my pick you George by the way. This is we can have the same pick. Johann wrote in by the way changing the Yellow as team Jersey is voluntary not mandatory. I guess it was never rule Oh. What do we know? Thank you on. yawns listening to us. Now I don't know I'm going to pick just took my pick him like can pick them also. Yeah. Now Johann, who are you picking, send us a note, right quick if you're listening to who are you picking for tomorrow? But I'M GONNA go back on my word. Got On mighty juicy. This haircut that you're GONNA burn all this is Is. Clearly lost a bet I mean this is not Oh. My Lord. What happened? It can't be real. Oh my God. He's in the sex pistols. Spanish the sex pistols clemen sex pistols. Pistol is the sex interesting haircut. I'm going to go with. Manar tomorrow. ooh, that's a good pick. That's a good pick. You'll know on rights in and take my pick I'm going with while the other thing that we were talking about this before the show and then I promise we'll let you go is I've just been noticing in sometimes obviously, people have the same last name right? There's unless your last name team cap like folks if there's ever a Hincapie on the Tour de France I fucking promise you. He's related to this guy, right? If there was a Armstrong, you know maybe maybe not ooh Johan picking. Caleb you and for tomorrow now, who he will tell you about that on his show, which comes up right after this but there's some there's some kids in the race that we raised with their fathers. So you got Laura, Wasserman Yep you got even Ledanois son civic off Sun, and then there was another kid this kid see real bark which I I was curious if that was the Saana Steph embarked so for you guys and gals out there maybe all no not a little trivia things send it into us. But that that's you know what that? That's when you know you're getting old man all of a sudden. There's kids racing. Were you raised with their dad? That's when you know. You're right. Any future racers and in your family's a know Georgia's out doing vikings gaskets. He's got some he's. His kids are older kids who picked other sport ticked other sports. Max Max I think he's got the bills. Max could. Dominate, whatever you choose as was just discussed. It's never too late, right? You have had. Well. Luke Armstrong is is six, three and two, hundred and forty five pounds. So I don't think he's going to are they going to be playing here soon? So for those who don't know so we're Luke plays football rice I think they're gonNA play. Yeah. Also yeah. Good for him. All right. Well, thanks for tuning in everybody will. Come back tomorrow. We'll see how our project and predictions did we get to Caleb, Ewan. Oh sorry you went that. Why because just because he didn't have the same as me well, that's a good pick. Today we didn't see him in the front while. sprinting because he was helping so much in the Cross wins but tomorrow depending on which way the wind is if he gets them freedom with, we've seen it already twice. He's got a the fastest more power than anybody when it comes to a final like that. We check the weather. May Have Not. I mean, just check it right quick because this this is the stuff that matters I. This is the stuff that an outlook that another but sunshine eighty, five degrees. When light winds so Nine mile an hour wind. So they go. Yeah. It should be A. Should be a sprint or maybe the break who knows. Are Guys. It's nice to be back. It's it's really it's still. Back on the horse. Tamar.

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2019 Vuelta a Espana Stage 20

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2019 Vuelta a Espana Stage 20

"What really is remarkable and incredible is that he gets on the podium this year on the welter between the first time he got on the podium and now it's sixteen years in between I mean that's a longtime already. There's very very little professional cyclist who have a career of sixteen years so for him to be on a top level because you know if you're a podium and grand tour you're on on the highest level of cycling sixteen years ago. Oh and sixteen years after that you do it again. That's extraordinary. I think welcome back to the move podcast as we wrap up stage twenty hard to believe we've gotten here. It's been kind of oblivious stage twenty the Vuelta Spagna two thousand nineteen and I'm Jay Be Hager and our expert to take a look at the stage and look ahead to tomorrow tomorrow. Although there won't be much to look ahead to in as far as racing except for the party in Madrid we'll get to that but Johan Bruyneel is here joining us to give us his take on that before we look at an in a very explosive one particular writer today and we're GonNa have some fun talking about that. Lance has a quick message for you with a special offer from our friends at the fee. Today's show is brought to you by feed head on over to the fee dot com check out just the wide variety of products they have you know when we raised and actually actually as they still raise today. You know they go through. The feed zones a lot of races. There's a couple of feet zones grab a setback all of these writers whether they're male or female basically ugly get to curate their feedback but they want on there what kind of drink they want what Abbar some jails and choose and pick what they want. You know we as consumers are average bike. 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Ah Okay Johann. I know I'm learning now that we've done three grand tours together. I tend to come to you and want to jump ahead to the most exciting moment it hard to believe that we've done three granddaughters together. AB decided that that's that's a lot of a lot of days together but but I get so excited I wanNA talk about the most exciting thing right out of the gate. I'm GonNa Control Myself. I'm going to be patient and then I'll look for that opportunity to jump in as as Po Gotcha said before. He raised today patients. It's the patient's Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Let's start with breaking down how things played out today with a big mountain stage and some bad weather to deal with too. Yes yes well today. You know the profile of the stage and the the the meters of vertical meters that the the writers had to overcome four thousand four hundred and thirty meters like I said yesterday. This was a really hard stage. When under these circumstances it was was you know fourteen fifteen degrees in the valley and raining so you know you could see on the on the second to last climb on the call. What does that opinion Negga nineteen hundred meters of altitude it was really cold. You know the spectators where it was like a in the winter basically quickly so you know obviously that had a big impact on the on the performance of the riders and at the beginning of the of the stage there was a lot of attempts for breakaways. little group got away but you know you could see there was there was too much going on in the bunch do much different interests you know and in the Peleton and so the the breakaway finally didn't make it far ahead you know the the nice thing to see though was that off that breakaway the two young riders Ruben Gerardo and Hagan Hearts the two x t he mates on the Axel Merckx steam and the two guys who had you know the the words don't if you remember it's a few few stages ago you know that the they were they they were not the best friends off the stage when when they were together I think it was behind the sap couse. I think probably yeah behind except when Seppuku sworn the stage those two young riders went away from that breakaway and and they stayed up from together this time they did get along right quite right well so I think that you know they they had forgotten or at least the forgiven each other. You know the the misunderstanding do young writers you know this. This has been the the Vuelta the you know of of the young the young riders and you know not not not even not even look. I think it's the year out of a lot of new young writers you know if you look you know premise which is going to win the Vuelta and he's. He's twenty nine in and he's going to be the oldest granddaughter winner of this year they took us one the euro at twenty four at number now the Tour de France at twenty eighty two and you know good old. Primos you know twenty nine years old and you're considered old these as whereas before twenty nine is is kind of what's kind of the age where you came into maturity and got the necessary experience and endurance because of all the years of racing that you were actually ready to win aground tour so a lot of things. A lot of things have changed. A lot of things have changed yeah. I'd love some more thoughts on that. Johann 'cause is it is it because of you know. Is it training or is it. Just a talent thing or is it because the teams are giving them an opportunity instead of no no. No you have to wait. You have to work for this guy or three four years or is it just a talent thing. I think it's I first of there's a lot of new talent. I mean amazing an amazing pool of talent this generation but I think you know if you compare it to other to other sports I think the the fact that from a very young age when they're starting to be junior and you know they're starting linked to look at what they perform and the you know cycling until now has been one of the sports where it was difficult to measure performance. You know because it's in a it's not the same environment you know. Swimming is always in the same environment track and field same environment cycling no so so obviously I mean the watts are africom tribute to the fact that the young riders or earlier at added good level because they are already working specifically with you know with the the the the capabilities of of every individual from very from a much younger age before you had to kind of feel get through get through all those categories youth categories and then finally make it to the pros and and get the experience so so I think that's definitely a big factor the fact that from a very young age they can measure the value of an and the potential of of a young athlete so I mean this year this year this year particularly you know it's so so many young writers you know even even even outside of Grand Tours that that are on a super super high level already where you know ten years ago this was this was not not even an option could not imagine I mean I just checked somebody who was on a podium below twenty one in in a grand tour and so now now gotch is going to be on the podium and then the next one. who was you know the the the one before was an Italian writer I I think it was bottled. Kelly nine hundred seventy five nine hundred seventy five yeah so you know I mean modern cycling before this before this new period that has started now yup get you obviously needed to get the endurance and the experience in order to perform ground onto her so so that's that's a big change you don't that's interesting interesting interesting to see but yeah. I mean today was you know just come back to the wealthy and today stage the lost opportunity for for maybe a turnaround and you know for DC to change and yeah I did change inch but maybe not the way we had expected right because when when does do riders too young riders Theo and and get eight were were upfront. There was a lot of attacks in the in the Peleton and you know like we expected the Astana was lining it up with with about seventy two kilometers to go they they went to the front until then it was it had been Jimbo visa wits. It's with their six riders. that six riders that were left have been just setting the pace. Astana went to the front. Obviously you know they they wanted to isolate Russia glitch in and tried to have me locked. Lopez do attack and tried to get a shot at the podium odeum so that's what happened. finely astonishes you know they went after the after after one of the claims they went to the front again and split the Peleton on a flatbed across and from then on rob which was isolated completely which was you know maybe not maybe not the best for me? Galaxy Lopez but could be good for the right because he was in second but from that moment on it was basically you know all the all the top favorite's the the top five the big Fi name them in this wealth of because it was always the same guys who were against each other and even if if at at some point Milwaukee Lopez still had two riders and and especially focus on Vogelsang within the mazing amazing job again today once again you know it was one of those those things that yeah I've seen this only in this wealth dine and only with Astana. I know I repeat myself but you know it was once again like a lead out for sprint but on a climb you know and like we like we had yesterday you know on the second to last in the second to last climb that was where Miguel Lopez had to try so they started to accelerate but Lopez went really early I mean he when he attacked the first time I was still ten kilometers to the top and so you know he tried and he tried and he tried and you know this the fact that the climbs were not very steep today. This decline lime was quite long thirteen kilometers but you know between five and six percent so it is very difficult. You know it's very difficult to to get rid of guys and so did get a gap up at some point but it was always it straight at straightaway. The top five game back together is slow down then teammates came back and so when finally really Lopes had tried a number of times and couldn't get anywhere of course you know when when when you have a team like donahue donahue ups the pace and makes it hard on on the rivals and then the leader Lopez launches an attack. It's hard for everybody but it's hard on the guy who has to attack. Do you know so after a few attempts we got this this. This amazing attack is amazing attack of of today poca Char Maybe a little bit unexpected right because we all thought yes okay you know he's been he's been great than he's won two stages and such young kid and it's normal you know he's he's dead now now and you know he's. GonNa have to drag himself Madrid but wow what a surprise to see that attack incredible attack nobody could respond and the guy who had the response was was Megan Lopez because first of all why Jersey Best Young Rider and and it also gives Donna but the guy just kept going kept going amazing amazing riding styles so I really liked the fact that that you know I mean I I've said it before. I'm a fan of of writers who have have a a high cadence that's that's. That's a guy with a cadence on the climbs. We'll got char. He he's like a machine. I can't imagine what well they both can. Tana and Lopez is it should feel good about their Vuelta right but yeah it there in this twenty year old takes off and you can't do anything it's it's just like the Indian you're watching a podium spot right away from you. It's it has to be. I think I'm not get done. I probably you know he he in the back of his mind. I'm sure he he was he was having that scenario as a possibility because you know there's nobody who feels better how you how oh how a writer feels that the writer himself we may say okay. He's fading out. He's tired. Zolt through but the one who really feels it is the writer himself so I actually thought he did quite welcome. Donna considering how he was kind of you know really falling back a few days ago but you know whenever whenever he had to do the work to try to defend his position you know you could see that you know he wanted but he just didn't have it and I mean I'm just I'm just speech us to for the performance of Pugachev because even if we take away you know his his youth and his inexperience variance. That's you know to to attack on that climb after twenty days of racing getting to the top having over a minute. I think I think he was close to a minute ten minutes fifteen. Then still took some time on the down. He's a great defender too. You Know Oh there's there's not much. There's not many things on a bike that that guy cannot do and on top of that you know in the bad weather so he already told any interview when he wanted aura that he prefers not that he prefers whether he's performing really well in bad weather. and today was bad weather and performed again you know he was he was he was incredible. It was incredible you know normally you would think make having to make that effort to get that minute thirty not on that climb. That's that's a big effort because you know you're racing against the top of the DC and so you know it's with about thirty kilometers limiters to go to the finish even if a part of it was downhill but then there was a lot of roller send you know like smaller climbs which which were not deep. Em's and and then in the last ten kilometers basically uphill again. You know logic logically. You would have to say okay. It's you know he's not GonNa make it and I think that's what the these these big riders in the back of Alva in Milwaukee Lopez in Tana. We're thinking great. We're he's a threat now for for spot but you know we're gonNA. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA get some time back right and and that didn't happen. He just stayed at the you know. I don't know how much the time difference was about one and a half minute right at the finish so I mean to do that again as a twenty year old it's yeah and it's funny. It's funny I saw I saw a tweet tough. you know one of the one of the writers who was competing with against him in in Albany last year and he's also now in the professionals and the three said you know while we thought we were challenging him because on the last day of the Tour de l'avenir which he won forgot you're he was in the leading on the last day. You know he had a problem. didn't it didn't crash but kind of got off the road and had to do a big pursuit and the top the top the front guys were were going full gas and he made it back and this guy said yeah we we. We thought that I thought we were challenging him. Last year in turns out he was just training last year to be at this level the professionals this year so it's this. I mean it must be. It must be quite a discouraging urging for certain riders. I mean even young writers of twenty two twenty three twenty four who are super ambitious and have a great potential and you know up until a few years ago considered you know. This is a young rider now all of a sudden you know they're twenty four and you have Bugatchi. Who's twenty you have Ramco AMC. Even Apu was nineteen and our wor- world top so you know all of a sudden when you're twenty three twenty four you considered older you know so yeah. It's it's it's incredible but you know what a day for today. Focaccia you know getting back on the podium first of all well getting back in in the White Jersey for took it took it from me Golonka Lopez and then you know getting getting leapfrogging Kintana who who a WHO had no response at all and almost almost making it in the second place because Volvo weather really had to give it everything in the last few kilometers to save his second second spot so you know it was almost one and two in DC for for Slovenia Slovenia is is definitely the the country. I mean we can say okay Columbia. We've been talking a lot about Colombia right and Colombian talent then there's been there's been quite a few. Colombian stage stage wins and they've been they've been a big factor but Slovenia Slovenian takes the price you know winning three stages with Bugatchi third-place for Slovenia why Jersey for Slovenia then Rog which I think once they tried to just the time Kerala. Did he another stage I. I don't remember anyway winning at least the stage winning winning the Vuelta. I mean it's it's all Slovenia Slovakia Slovenia and there was there was only four Slovenians at the start so yeah and these these guys are definitely putting. They're putting their footprint on on cycling in you know everybody outside side of Europe we'll also look where Slovenia's right I know you. I knew you look where I did. I don't know I don't know we've lance will know where Slovenia is though but I'll send send them yeah. He'll he'll think maybe he maybe thinks it's also next to Ecuador not that. This was a huge moment but I'm dying to know what your thoughts are on that quick quick acceleration firm at one hundred eleven where he jumped quickly fifty meters up looks over his shoulder What was that all about in European European. I it's it's it's a difficult. I mean you know I was also thinking. What is he doing? You know what's it didn't really make any sense because it was it was a very strong exploration solicitation and you could say wow that guy's gone. Nobody can respond and then you know after one corner he just looks back and sits up and all like an all I can think of as an explanation is that he was you know he was getting upset with us. Donna do not collaborate and you know Blotch Chow was up the road and he was he was a threat for for container in but he was also a threat for Megan Lopez but by then you know Michelangelo Columbus had tried so many times that he didn't have it anymore and and then from from an interview after the stage from Lopez. I heard that he said okay you know once. I tried and once I saw gay. It's it's this is not gonNA. It's not gonNA work for me. I was super tired and I knew that it was was gonna be difficult to to hang on and from that moment on he said well. You know we're not going to work with with with movie star after what happened happened yesterday. So there was some kind of yeah I mean even even if even if you know after all you know we for the listeners who have who have seen the stage yesterday the controversy of the crash and then movie star attacking just after that in all the all the discussions and debates. It's after that there was some hard words especially for me Galaxy Lopez after the stage movie star had their explanation the nation yesterday evening they they send out an official team press release explaining their position and you know apologizing due to the the people who you know thought that they took advantage of of the bad luck of somebody else and then this morning I saw at the Lopez went to Alberta and they talked and Lopez apologized for his words after the finish that you know it was in the heat of just you know the disappointment and and but you know there's something something kept hanging there you know when and so they they said they were not going to help movie star the defense the third place of of Catanha which which I can understand you know. They had their own strategy in. They had their own goal. It didn't work so that's the way that's the way the sport works and the way cycling works right. So Uh you've got you've mentioned it and Lance talked about it often. The the politics is a big part of big aspect of cycling. Yeah Yeah Yeah and for some reason I think that between those two teams because he knows Donna and movie star. It's you know it's not it's not a big laugh. It's not a love story. That's you know they they. They're a big rivals. I mean this deuce very strong themes and they they encounter each other Latin and big racists but but yeah I mean the one is not. We're going to help the other even if they have the same goal so yeah I mean today we saw that once once the plan of Astana didn't work it was all up to movie star and while I mean luckily they could save the second place you know it's that's that's and also Valverde said after the finish that he was it was it was very confusing because it had been you know it had been raining so much and has his radio communication. Nation didn't work so at some point. It's radio stop working. He had no information on the gap so he went to ask it to another writer. to a to a Spanish Spanish Spanish rider from Astana what the gap was and then the people on the on the side of the road were were shouting that he was about to lose the podium and he said that's that's that's how he knew that he had to go 'cause it was the communication with the car was was not working anymore. Well why we're talking about a Valverde We should talk about the years the wins the stages. You know it's it's so impressive it is it is the guys almost forty second in the Vuelta this year. It's the third time he is second Kawada in his career and ten years ago he won the welter and then you know since then he's been three times second and also seven times on the on the podium of the tour of Spain. That's that's quite quite as serious serious amount of times and then what what what really is no remorse an incredible is that he gets on the podium this year on the Vuelta and between the first time he got on the podium on on a grand tour. I don't know if it's the wealth out Jiro where I think is the Vuelta between the first time he got on the podium and now it's sixteen years in between I mean that's a long time. I mean there's already. There's there's very very little professional. Road cyclist who have a career of sixteen years you know and to be so for him to be you know on a top level because you know if you're a podium and grandeur you're you're on on the highest level of cycling sixteen years ago and sixteen years after that you do it again. That's that's extraordinary. I think you know it's it says it says says a lot about the quality of Alejandro Valverde. You know of many times in this in this podcast you know he now he he didn't win dwelt. Abbott I don't think he started really as one of the top favorites but you know he was. He was the closest you know and and even got a little bit of time. I'm back today from from primos really shit. Oh he kept fighting till the end he he did since he didn't have the exact information he he knew he needed the benefit Gatien to the six seconds and and yeah enrich for some reason in the last two hundred meters couldn't stay stay so you know obviously he didn't push him so he knew he didn't have to kill him to stay on the wheel of but if you would have been able to he would have done it it so that's the prove that everybody is really really super tired and it's it's been of wealth which has taken a lot of law the law of all of the writers. It's you know it's the third it's their grand tour of the season. The season is very long season. Most of those guys have been racing since some of them since January most most of them since the beginning of February yes you know they had some some respiratory inbetween but still you know three three three grand tours and some of them have done to you know ruggles has done. Jiro and Welte Alvin has on touring welte in just just I think char is the only one in the front who who has done a as only done the wealth I which you know initially I already ready thought that it was early for him to do a ground to her but and then if if the listeners remember I was thinking you know at his age that the team with you know be careful with him and make sure that after ten or twelve or two weeks take him out of the race but while if you're able to to do something like that after twenty stages yeah that it's not this is this is not this is another guy they have to be protecting and be in be careful with he is already you star in cycling and he's you know he's ready to perform at the highest level so world. I think we've addressed it but let's not gloss over a twenty year old getting three stage wins and their grant it's just mind boggling well and on top of that three mountain stages right and you know there were a lot of climbers in this in this race incredible this is it is it it is it. Is something you know. He's he's a I mean he's. He's physically really good but he just he knows how to race and you know he's it makes no mistakes strategy wise. He's an incredible bike handler dooming the way he goes downhill and is in control of his bicycle. It's just the whole package you know and yeah. You know we know now. you know we have gotten used to the pronunciation of his name today. POCA Char. I knew I knew we have. We have to talk about him a lot in the yeah. He's done the podium. He deserves to be on the podium. I think you know he had to today's where he was a little bit off but what a way to what a way to fight back right yeah. Oh unbelievable unbelievable yeah I K- I think that's that's going to kind of wrap up everything that happened today. re really was a remarkable stage. If you're tuning in to listen to this it's it's well well worth watching pogue. HR's performance just remarkable today and undoubtedly he's your patrol of the day. Oh Yeah Yeah we forgot yeah. We forgot to mention our title sponsor pro-trump Tequila and yet. There's there's just yeah is no discussion. He's the patrol on the patrol thrown. I mean okay Rog Leach Ranch It's his first ground to win so he's going to be pro rated patrol of the wealth about you know. Pogo looked at the same level. He's he's also the patrol of the Welte you know Slovenia Slovenian cycle the two Slovenian cycling the patrols yeah so remarkable. I can't can't can't imagine what the I'd love to see some statistics on viewership a out of a country. That's only what two million people roughly yeah yeah yeah yeah and remember remember J. B. You know when we had earlier earlier in the wealth. I won't be Yanni Brockovich on the show when he predicted it. Dan already that he in his opinion poll. Gotcha was going to be on the podium Yeah I. I think I think back then in the Baraja was in sixth or seventh place and he said I think he's going to be on the podium. well good prediction Jeff Junior yeah good good for your good Kalyani that was him on that is incredible to see it because you know America has been through two of these for the most part you know once with Lemonde and once with and it s you know in when it was lance well when it was Lamont. We only got like an hour of footage on a weekend. You know MHM recap. We barely saw it with lance it. Was You know the on a mountain stage. The bars in Austin Texas would be filled build at nine. Am Eight am and you know it's just incredible to see what it did not only to Austin but just into this whole country so slow again Slovenia which is just barely bigger than Austin Texas. I can't imagine okay so. Let's you know. We don't want to gloss over tomorrow stage. We know for the G. C. Guys it's it's a bit of a parade but you know for a sprinter. It's it's a stage win. You know it's still a big deal now. It's it's it's always it's always a prestige win. You know the last station aground tour typically the Jiro normally not not every year but before it was always in Milan you know Paris for touring shows and typically for the for the wealth is it's Madrid and the Paseo de la Casta Yana which is a little bit. You know the the same thing as the chassis lizzy in Paris so it's a prestige sprint ninety five percent sure. It's going to be a bunch sprint again. parade. Let's I haven't checked the weather but it doesn't the the weather doesn't look great. That's you know that that could spoil the party a little bit that three that that's not that's not fun to do that. short- shorter stage into Madrid in bad weather. That's that takes the fun out of it you know because once they get on the on the custody on their race three starts and you know there's there's certain tax and then you know the teams sprinter strata. Bring it together together so yeah. That's hope let's hope that ends I think the Mar- There's also is also a world to race for or women love. Welte for for for women in Madrid whether in Madrid raining all day day yeah yeah yeah. It's raining now. It's raining now and it's can tell you it's it's it's not it's not very warm big shock. It's a big shock for me because I come from almost forty degrees this morning and I landed in Madrid around noon and that's that's a big big big difference. It's it's fall yeah three PM. It's because I know that I think you told me it's it's a later finish. three-piece sixty percent chance of rain and up to seventy percent percent at six PM okay well. It's the race starts at five so it's far ahead as I can see on this on this APP real quick yeah. It's not it's not it's not going to be funded and that's that's too bad. That's too bad that's learn you know. Let's hope that everybody stays upright and you know normally what will happen but then if it rains for the sake of of the race in the stage normally the UCI commissars will make a decision Asian that you know the the The Times for DC or taken when they get on the chassis lizzy the first time they passed the finish line and then because you know if it rains especially in Madrid. It's slippery those those avenues as there's a lot a lot of traffic. There's love Greece on the on the on the on the asphalt so it could be very slippery so hopefully hopefully if that's the case and reigns the the commerce and I'm sure they will make that decision that times times will not be taken into account and it's it's it's. It's just a race for for the stage win where the spouse can find out. That's that's better for. Everybody yeah that. Is You hate to see anybody. Go down but yeah unnecessarily where it doesn't get that totally he's actually yeah great We have a couple of questions remaining few she. If you've got time you'll hon yeah yeah for sure and they're both very very general because you know this. Race is pretty much decided but it says high. JB's I really enjoyed listening to the move. I hope you guys find a way to extend your season towards the World Championship and cyclocross boy cycle grow my goodness. I want some time off grand tour says can you tell me something about the hours intensity and kind of training top cyclists on average do that's from sander in the Netherlands and and I know that's a difficult question to answer why it's a very general question but of course it all depends on on the type of writer and the type of racist they they prepare for but you know you could say professional cyclists usually his his straining days. Are Let's say an easy day. Is You know an easy recovery day would be two hours just just pedaling and in terms of the time be seven seven and a half eight hour sometimes on the bike depending depending on which race they're preparing. Britt preparing for you know one of the things for example I see in the and there's been a there's been a trend to focus more intensity and kind of neglect neglect but not not focus so much on on long writes one thing for example. I've seen of young writer. Are you know a Gumbo now to France winner. He still really old school and does really really long rights so it must be for something. It must be that it's still instill you know the old. The old method of of long rights still still is valid so so in terms of times that seven to do eight hours is the maximum and then depending on which type of rider if it's a classics rider of course. There's a lot more intensity. There's a lot of training on on short. short climbs five hundred meter climbs basically explosive sprint training uphill. If it's the writer for foreground tours they do training camps in the in the mountains. A lot of a lot of those riders do altitude camps throughout the year to you know they start to start to go to altitude. I do too in the beginning of the season. Even before the before the season starts get used to the altitude because you need to adapt and then uring the season they go back three or four times to altitude and usually then you don't need that a long period to adapt to altitude because your body gets used to it more and more How long does that if they spend time at altitude. How long does that carry over when they when when they leave. It makes sense yeah yeah it does it does it. Does I don't know exactly. I don't know exactly what I do. Know what I do know for example. I have my own experience with without a toot and you know it was when I was an amateur and there was not a lot of science yet about that then we didn't we. We basically so you didn't know we just knew that okay. If you're at altitude than you you'll go back to sea level you would you would feel great and so. I had my I experienced as in my last year as an amateur in I was selected for the World Championships in Colorado Springs and so we went we went there for a month before the race ace and I do know I mean I thanks to that. I actually got the professional contract because when when I got back to Belgium and did a racist it was it was unbelievable label the you know. I it felt like I was riding on a motorbike. one. I would like five or six races off each other and then won the won under the National Championships time trial and got me a pro contract so I think I personally I had like five or six weeks of real benefit from from that month at altitudes I think I think nowadays you know if you do it more frequently. During the season you can kind of get a You know a a continuous benefit of it because you just you know you you go back every every two or three months. you know that. Ah You know I I know of riders who go three or four times. A year spent like three or three weeks altitude so so the benefits must be you must be a long lasting. I guess you lance would be great to answer that question now that he's going back and forth between Aspen over for eight thousand feet and Austin exit at four hundred twenty five feet yeah hundred and thirty meters here okay buddy buddies not on the show is he now. He's not he's not and and you know he's you know he. He's not measuring. He's not measuring his his performances anymore or either so it's it's yeah in you know in the same regard of going to the terrain where you're. GonNa race to the to the classic six guys go spend time and Belgium and Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah well first of all these guys they know these they know these races is off by heart but even then you know they they train they rico they recon them every year they all those like flanders and Perito Bay against him just name it all these you know where where where the terrain is really crucial to know because sometimes as a little little change they go rican them and they also train on them. You have to be able to perform the to to have that power output on those so on those short cobbled climbs so day specific train on that terrain yes interesting. Here's another one question that's very general but I I think it's a great question. says Johanna J B. Thank you so much for the move podcasts this summer the giro-tour and Vuelta commentaries have been great to hear as longtime cycling fan and writer. I would love to know Johan take on professional cycling personalities in the Peleton. It seems like a lot of new personalities emerged watching coverage of the Vuelta this year but I wanted to get your thoughts on some past present riders that had a or have that charisma and style on the bike that attract people to watch the sport and develop interest in cycling at Londono Johan aac on cycling personalities analogies past and present that helped grow interest in cycling. That's Dave from Saint Louis. yeah interesting interesting thing question and you know. I have to think a little bit about this but you know I'm I'm convinced that every sport no grows grows and expands with with heroes idols it's not it's not just enough to be a great athlete eat. you know if that great athlete that champion has an you know an attractive personality it's you know it and that's what sport needs. cycling is known actually to you know to have low profile personalities in general you know most of the the cyclists are good cyclists and then in terms of strong personalities. That's that's that's a different. That's a whole different question. and that's also why you know the ones who have that strong personality and and charisma stand out you know just to name a few from the past for example you know. Lance of course was was and has a strong personality and and charisma SMA and and I think you know he transcended the the the status of being a champion. was a lot more than that at others have been for example an ever. I think everybody knows Mario. CIPOLLINI no great sprinter probably the best Sprinter Sprinter that I've ever seen at least the with my own eyes and you know just very very colorful personality you know there was always something with Mario and you know there's always stories and and he I mean he liked that then and still does by the way Cipollini on instagram and he he he likes to ride with no shirt and or or or at least sleeves minimum sleeveless shirt but no shirt not is preference yeah any any still. Has You know incredible hair yeah yeah yeah. That's true yeah also right. It's something you can also see him a lot riding without the helmet you know he he Did you see that. Did you see that picture. He put up when you know there was there was something he was in an ad or something and he was he was criticized for not wearing a helmet on social media and then he posted the clip of him on the on a home trainer. I think I don't know if it was a home trainer or it was it was on the road and he was wearing a helmet but that was the only thing that was the only thing it was wearing. He wasn't wearing anything out. He's completely naked on his bicycle wearing a helmet so you know that's that's that's. That's a that's a personality. Y- you're never in different. You know it's it's either either like him or you don't like Kim but but you never indifferent Pantani on Townie was was also you know how the Great Charisma Nowadays Peterson Gone mm-hmm you know he's a he's a great personality but it's difficult to find other new. Now is a great. Everyone in my opinion was that you're not hinault over now. He no yeah yeah but Bernandino was. Yes yes and no because you know he was. He was a very strong personality inciting but you know outside of cycling. I mean back then cycling was not so global as it is now true. Um he was definitely he was the portrayal of the Peleton and very very strong opinion very strong personality but you know it was just within cycling I I think you know for example a guy like typically and a guy like lance through name does do they were. They were also known outside of cycling. I'm but nowadays I mean I think Segawa is the is the most known and attractive media is cyclist nothing not that these guys do it just for the money but I have to think if you have the the big personality and ah more sponsors are attracted to that end you get more TV time yeah. I hate to pick on rug lidge because he's he's an interesting guy you. I know but his interviews are thirty seconds because he has lay instead of minutes of TV time or five minutes of TV time for your sponsored yeah. I think I think role rugged. There's there's different different factors here first of all. I think that he's he's quite a you know especially publicly I hear that within the team he's very funny and you know great guy to be around but publicly in the media. He's quite an introvert. I think doesn't does not enjoy enjoy the spotlight. That's so and you know you force that eater. You know you can't fake that. You can't just act because then it's not genuine. It's counter. It's it's counterproductive. You know you you have to have a minimum of of you know you have to kind of know. Okay you know this is this is part of my job up and I need. I need to be good at this and I think I think you know. Athletes can improve on that. You know there's there's a lot of techniques. There's there steams who pay attention to media. You're training for the moment. I think primos raw glitches. is happy and content with being you know a great cyclist and winning bike races now if he if he keeps winning he's going to have to is going to have to improve a little bit on on his on his communication skills and on his his interviews because right now. It's it seems to me like okay. He's just an obligated exercise that he does but he doesn't really want to be there. You know he wants to He. Wants wants to just do the race perform. Well you know get in the car. Go back to the hotel. Have a massage have dinner. Go to bed now. which which which is which is very very understandable but yeah for sponsors these kind of these charismatic personalities are of course very very very interesting because it's a winning back races is one thing and then you have your your sponsor name on TV on the podium but you know the story that that person has to Ital- afterwards. This is really what sticks with the with the people in the audience you know. This is probably been a bit of a this summer has probably been big. Lou Curve for you. where you're doing commentary. You're not beholden to any boss or sponsors in where I'm going with. That is maybe some of the current riders. The personality emerges when you don't worry about upsetting people right. You realize I'm yeah you know love. You and some are going to hate you. I think that puts fear in a lot of current cyclists while they're racing. They don't want to upset people people and when that's where the personality comes quite exact a charismatic personality is you either you know it's it divides lights. It divides people right. You're either in favor supporting or your You know a critic or not. GonNa say Hater but yes awesome sometimes yes so that's what actually makes an interesting personality your eater for him or against him and yes. It's true athletes. Do have that disadvantage that you know. They know that their time you know a professional career of an athlete is very limited. Let's say you know you know that you have ten to twelve years of of you know time at the top potentially and you know it's not just it's not just just performing. It's also it also means that you know and when you give your your opinion when you when you give a strong opinion there's if you have a strong opinion about the about the subject so you're GonNa have you know pros and cons you know and mostly if you have a strong opinion there's it's it's the establishments that that will that will upset upset. I for example. I have this advantage now that I I don't care if I upset somebody because well I mean I it's not an I'm I I wouldn't I wouldn't I don't want to upset somebody to for the sake of upsetting but I mean but I if I have a strong opinion about something I have all the freedom in the world to to broadcast my opinion and you know if even if I know that certain certain people or certain institutions will not like it at I'm fine with that. You know I'm fine with that. That's that's something that an athlete who is currently in the sport and you know not just athletes order everybody everybody who's still in the sport. is limited and always has to pay attention of you know when they when they want to have an opinion they have to astaire's super neutral and and be careful of what they saying very very true very true. It's also you know that's that's. That's that's what what makes no. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of lot of athletes with with strong personalities and charismatic personalities but you have to back it up with results. You know if you have results and you win. You're you're you're you can you can you can give your opinion. You know because you win and you if you keep winning now. If you have a really strong opinion and you're not winning delivering results or you stop winning then you're in trouble at you're in victor actor Hugo Pina on Lamma Vida have special guest today right. Yes yes yes we are. We are very very fortunate to have Fabio Fabio Parra. you know for the people who who have not been who are neutral cycling. Fabio Parra is one of the first I mean. He's an icon in Colombian in cycling. He's one of the first riders who came to Europe he was stirred into France in late eighties. I think thank he was second in the Welte was national champion won the tour of Colombia. I mean he's been on the podium of of several granddaughters and he was the first I Latin American writer to be on the podium of a grand tour and was the only one since eighty eight hundred eighty nine until two thousand thirteen when nine Kintana the podium of of to France I so so yeah we are you know. He knows a lot about the Colombian cycling of course he was he was let's say East. You stood out there was back then there was a whole lot of Colombian cyclists coming to Europe. They had their own team also cafe the Columbia was the sponsor with with literature mainly an FOB Yukata stood out because he was seen as the the climber who could also do other things he was. You know he was not the not too bad in the flats and he was a decent time-trial list list so he was not just the Colombian climber who basically you know the European champions and European teams. They knew how they had to deal with these climbers because they could hurt the flats so far was was a bit of an exception and so you know. I I raced with him. When he was at the end of his career I I was in the middle of my career career so erased together in Spain in the wealth Dine Dur and so e- currently fabulous Bara is involved in cycling cycling which is supported by the government so we will be able to ask him questions and and his brains on on what the reasons are behind the this blossoming of Colombian cycling while they fortunate very fortunate to have him on the show and so whoever whoever speaks or understands maybe even a little bit of Spanish he's also you know he doesn't give a lot of interview so it's a privilege to have him on on Komo Vida today it's your last day to send any questions or comments and of course tomorrow being the final stage more of the general questions for Johan or or better because the race has been set. If that makes sense so you can send those to the move it we do team It's the move at W. E. D. U. Dot T. A. M. Thank you Johann Cheuse. Thank you very much and a stamina the.

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13: Last of the Summer Wine

The Cycling Podcast

44:09 min | 9 months ago

13: Last of the Summer Wine

"You listening to the cycling podcast with Lionel. Danny Daniel free. I'm Richard Mom Richard Worm with Lionel Bernie L. I. Richard and we're joined by Danielle free. Branchini Fire Chow near listeners. Will think that he's actually Daniel's Newsnight is Daniel free. It is Daniel's name okay dial free also Nunez Daniel Freeman Reba reba free bottle anyway anyway. The seasons off chops were up and running. There's been some racing chassis. Shales Iva Napalm the preseason friendly. Well I uh yourself because we had a whole succession. We had Two or three consecutive years where pooh-poohed the toward under rated eighty about it rightfully. So I've been bullied into changing my opinion the watching the Not being struck by how much drinking lots of Saddam will have been doing. Already this season a law boozing. The most heavily drinking heavily alcohol dependent team of the of the year so far because they're laid alcohol only when the when they have a wind and they've had a few they have What motivated I was absolutely four? Four wins so far for lotto she. Alex Count initialled by classic curtain raiser the preseason friendly for the recycling a straight line after all well should we Should we run through the news. We'll talk talk in more detail about the tour down under impart one of the podcast. I think think I think we can all agree that the big stories from Adelaide are Ritchie port. Streak on the hill has come to an end off to six years He did however have the a straw. Koa went up at Prequel to go up it quite quickly. And he sealed the overall victory. The other huge story is row. In Dennis's Chris Fru Impersonation. I'm not sure if you saw. Oh that on social media it was uncanny wasn't fantastic. He clearly An expert studying body language Prior to the men's tour down under and of course I was a women's race where they were stay twins chloe hosking and Amanda Spratt and Ruth. Window the Keith. Lebron American one stage three which setup Over victory for the Trek Radio Writer They're also often running in often cycling. Really Richard we should say they're often cycling in Argentina. uh-huh Vuelta Assan Hawan two stages. So far victories for Rudy Bobby of Israel startup nation and then Fernando Gaviria of you a couple of crashes ashes narrow ready on day one Apparently caused by spectator. I don't day to of course by dog so the ride just having to run the gauntlet somewhat somewhat there Daniel. This might be something that caught. Your is the Italian team. Run by Luca Shinto Vinnie's Abu Mt K.. Abandoning power meters. You too in races. Yeah it doesn't show me this. One lucretia and he is a pretty soon died in the war Former Italian pro. There's always sort of made this point about power meters. He's very much against some. I remember looking right from pay until run about two thousand. And then he qualified his direct sportifs and I was actually. I did a magazine feature on the weekend. The sort of Dr sportifs chiefs course. He did with the Italian Federation's spent quite a bit of time with him. There and methods were pretty pretty unconventional even then particularly clearly. He's a process of modern. Technology was pretty interesting. I remember him telling me about one a writer and his team who was on the phone with dot I too much on his mobile phone because he was already a team. But then and she's taken a snatch the mobile phone out of this poor loud hand and thrown in in a wheatfield sort of kind of wheat with sort of showed high and this kid never found his mobile phone again and any the I remember most about in his day how it worked with sort of coaches and prescribed training sessions and he said that although although Sassy the late coach Mapei used to phone up and ask him what he'd been doing in training and and that was how they used to log the training but then and Shinto just keep a printed sheet next to the telephone of what should be doing and he literally every time the phone rang and it awesome on the other end. You just pick up the sheet and he just recites what Sassy exactly what Sassy wanted to hear when actually just out with Mark Shandra having gelato. Thank you friends. Aren't they. Location to Shangli. I mean there was a classic. Were a real click of Tuscan Pros Michaela bodily powerful notch already. Now's an ice cream parlor. funnily enough at Gillette area and Rolf Sorensen as well used to live in that neck of the woods in Tuscany between Florence Florence in peace Toyota and Shinto and they used to train together every day that was when sort of Tuscany ruled the world as far as professional cycling was concerned. So so what's behind this ban on power meters in races. The riders will still be able to use them in training. They'll find them in wheatfields Shintos his point is pointing to spend my by the direct. TV Some broad in the pasta. He's right is what we're paying too much attention to them embraces and it was conditioning the way they were trying to when they were riding races and and also I think there is a valid point about learning learning to trust your body to sort of capture the feedback. You get him from your body. I mean some would also argue that the devices like Pommie to help help you to sort of become more sensitive to your body. You know. It's kind of biofeedback. If you know you try and grab it slow Lauren. Then you see what effect that has on the water heart rate or so on then then that can actually sort of strengthen your your knowledge and understanding wing of you. You're embodying hot. Reacts I think the thing Shinto said wasn't that he was fed up of hearing riders CEO I was you know putting out four hundred walks and I still couldn't during the artificial ceiling of seeing the number on screen Perhaps inhibiting the performance before the the legs and the lungs. Were ready to give gene. I don't know if you guys remember I. Distinctly remember the being grumbles from team managers and Dr Expertise in the nineties about heart rate monitors and they made exactly the same point. There has been this sort of undercurrent of discontent or frustration with with palm meters over the past few years. It tends to not come from riders themselves. It tends to be from race. Directors and Veritas. petits butts yeah. I do remember that being the case back in the ninety s well Vinnie Shabu U. N.. T K will be at the Italian. They've got one of the wild cards and they'll be putting out unknown walks during the race. They're they're currently racing in Argentina Oklahoma. Two Zero Yeah. What's not occurring? I'm anyway WTMA party on the president of the UCI is. He's very keen to get in on the gravel boom that been talk of a series A.. UCI sanctioned series of gravel road events now talk of Gravel World Championships Championships. which is kind of What it's ruffled the gravel in the in the offer off road world because people are saying well there's already prestigious event such as dirty cans it's content unofficial world championships? This is this is clearly going to happen to. UCI are going to get their Their fingernails to the particular. Hi on the yeah. It's a bit like the debate in mountain biking when it came along and renegade sport an hilling especially because it's not an Olympic disciplined but there is a world championship and it served. It's it's actually a great event into a few times been two World Cups World Championships. In Fort William in Scotland they. They seem to have embraced. That maybe reluctantly at first. But they've come on board. BMX another another example. And I can see the attraction of remaining so I cited the mainstream but if that sort of endorsement can make the sport bigger more tractor understandable for people as well. That's a good thing I I you know. We know that love former Rhode proser are switching to gravel this year including the cycling podcast and Boswell but I think in America especially where the road scene is struggling and big events dying. There's a real opportunity to grow some great very unusual and original events over over the other sub exist already but that calendar could become quite attractive and a ucla. Endorsement surely can't do any harm. Yeah I think I am. This is destined to gather momentum. I mean if you look at what's happened for example in In running and more on on a nominee level that because you've always had a lot of people who run but don't necessarily what's professional athletics or professional running and that said the big story lost two years is into recreational running has been the growth. Ultra events Br fifty kilometers plus running events rather than their growth life is eclipsing the growth or eclipsing the the sort of the current prosperity of the of the Martha scene in these events. I think speaks to probably things happening in society at large people. Maybe people's kind of individualistic streak. Ah wanting to do something very different. And you know Martha and of math scene is kind of ticking. Exercise at lot people have done now and yeah I think similarly in cycling people want to want to retain that spirit of adventure there also other things that planets fave obviously the safety is one huge factor. And you know you talk about the United States which we've often maligned the fact that American races don't look great on TV. As I understand it. There's a huge Number of fantastic gravel roots in the states. But you know would make great venues for races and also from a logistics point of view in terms of organizing fewer road closures. Easier to have a kind of a big party village sort of like the nineteenth mountain bike boom kind of reborn. I Guess Greg Grand Tour a gravel grand tour short what should happen or maybe maybe it will happen. But well explore our series will be We'll come over. Yeah if that happened one thing one thing I think we don't really understand what gravel. Yeah and especially those who haven't done a lot of gravel right he's weather There is a certain set of abilities that also transfer for across types of gravel race and whether the same riders will come to the fore in all of them. I mean I can imagine in into my my ignorance naievety but You know you'd get very quite different writers excelling on different surfaces and obviously on different courses. I mean you see Komo Leon for example is very very different from strategy Bianca which is very different from Pirate Bay. For example yeah well this is actually something I talked to. Am Boswell about for the first episode of our new revamped relaunched explore series which will be out imminently no release date on that just yet but it will be in the next. I A couple of weeks and he was talking about how he's going to be doing a lot of these events this year and he's not taking for granted that just because he's raised on the road the very talk level and can complete granddaughters and and stage races that that will necessarily put him in the very elite When it comes to racing off road so Listen out for that sticking with wrote the cyclocross World Cup reached its conclusion hookah. hideaways victories for Matt you've Depo- and Lucinda brand the over welcome winners this season to Nats Ameri voiced and they will all be at the world championships in Tuban Dorf in Switzerland. This weekend a couple of cancellations for different reasons to of Mon- has been canceled. Isi Run event of course part of the Middle Eastern swing and and that's been cancelled because of the death of the country's ruler Sultan. Qaboos bin Saeed There's a forty day period of mourning in Oman. The race it off and in China the tour Hainan has been cancelled because of the corona virus which is which is spreading in China Finally if you want to go on on a cycling holiday in Majorca with Lance Armstrong and George Hincapie it will set you back thirty thousand dollars and there are only twelve places Nine nine nine goodness me. Goodness may not go and my yeah. Thanks to friends of the PODCAST. Oh goodness goodness. The cycling podcast is supported by Science Johnson. Sports Science and sports fueled by science. Thank you very much to science and sport for their support of the cycling podcast. I want twenty five percent of all your scientists sport products to science and Sport Dot Com and enter the code. SIS CPI twenty-five are the check one one is two of you had problems with the code last week but it has been sort in. Uh there was a little hiccup but it has been sorted fully functioning so for twenty five percent off. SIS DIANA'S CPI twenty-five to an under a returning died under indeed well the well tour season is underway and Richie she pours streak on the hill which extended to six years was broken by the British writer. Matthew Homed Matt Holmes of Lotto Suit Al Pork did win the race overall. I as you said Richard Lots of course for talk. Dial to celebrate over the course of the week. I'm they basically banned alcohol for all riders and staff during race in training camps apart from on the occasion of rightous birthday or a race win. And Well Caleb you in one to sprint finishes the homes one The final stage on longer hill the other stages were won by Port Giacomo New Solo of NTT DT worth a mention. I would have thought he mentioned off too. I completely wrote off be honoree swell there. But there's a team former dimension data who am didn't didn't have many wins certainly not January and then if it's beyond a reese MIDAS touch. He's he's been there. He was done there in Australia with the team. And that will be a huge relief to them. I thought you know them and Israel's startup nation then son Juan as well probably quite important wins for those two teams. Yeah and well another important win and kicking it all off in the tour down under was Sam Bennett. Getting his first victory for the current quickstep so ritchie port. One overall the head of Diego really see Simon Geschke Rohan. Dennis Dillon van. Bala who round out the top five and yet where. We're often rolling often ruling 'em homes. When was pretty extraordinary? He was in the breakaway. And that Richard Port Bridge's up till you went very quickly. Willing a hell. He's obviously in great farm and and he was second on the stage. My home is a surprise winner guys raced domestically in the UK and his agent. Gary mcquaid made a comment then the high how difficult it being interest even procon teams in him. Yeah a couple of years searching for a team for Matt Holmes. He spent the last five years with Madison Genesis before that team. Rally twenty six years old. So you know. He's a traditional neo pro coming in sort of twenty two twenty three twenty six Chechen twenty-seven sure but yeah no it's all to meet your debut in the world series in the eighties and well lotto she doll of kind of they seem to be taking up a couple of British riders time at the moment naval say signed John. Even this season given a second by of the Chesney condemns second tapes while done prior to that of course they had James Shore who did a couple of years and then they let him go but yeah an interesting one and well hoping to speak eight to Gary mcquaid about homes at some point. I was sort of thinking about this team of kind of late bloomers but also we mentioned in las few weeks. The number of British riders are in in in well teams this year and you slacking does recycles when set nationality become almost fashionable You know there are practical reasons for that as well like In the last few years I think the number of agents has multiplied across the spool bull. Suddenly I'm on their. You know their number of British agents now who own agents representing their interests of British writers who we'll speak to team manages about guys like homes who have been writing for a few years but wouldn't ordinarily have flown under the radar contrast that with fifteen or twenty years ago there were probably only Whether only about five or six sort of big agents who were who were regularly placing Reuters in teams and in that client portfolio the sort of the established names would always will always get subtype precedence. And so that's one change. Obviously we've taught in the last few years as well a lot by the anglicized Asian of professional cycling. There are no doubts about British writer settling in in most teams but it's an interesting phenomenon. But Ah he's the guy who just to look at the results. He's not one a lot of races. you would imagine it would have taken a sort of an eagle-eyed talent scout to to to identify him as someone who would succeed straight away In the world tour. What about Richie Portland? It's just the annual Ritchie ports. Going to finish on the podium. At the Tour de France conversation quite sobering to realize that in two days time he will be thirty five Ritchie pork because we still think of him as a up and coming Ritchie poor in a way. Wow At unfulfilled potential You could argue on on the biggest races am there is a piece in the news today. Actually by the tour and under the hood asking whether the the tried and tested format to the race stages tend to go to the same places tend to be on the same courses and that's been the case for for twenty years now so whether it should shake up with a new director next year a gradient taking over a dissenting voice in that debate was richie she port. WHO said it should remain exactly as which is not much of a surprise? Really 'cause it's certainly suits him You know I'm sure that he doesn't say into to make the third under his his kind of calling cardio cheer for him. It will be a stepping stone to bigger targets not the to Rhode Islanders fall or has formed. They're doing not the reason why hasn't really delivered and in the grand tours recently. But I'm he's getting he. He is getting older now he will he will tail off at some point. He is in great form now in January and battling not as any bearing necessarily on what will come later in the summer. Now now I mean Looking at tricks like afraid as you say Thirty five in a couple of days time Vincenzo Nibley is already thirty five that that big signing And Balcony the the young man of the three as well thirty-three so only lasted some wine in In the grand tour stakes tricks afraid arisen it but I think Ritchie. We've seen this many times. He's been a victim of partly nationality galaxy in being Australian. He's been the big hope for Australia. When it comes to the Tour de France and perhaps you know that as being An unrealistic expectation. He's a world-class week long stage races. One Harry needs a couple of times He won What else does he want? He wanted to Roman detour to Swiss. So won't voter Catalunia as well over the course of his career. I mean that's that's an impressive record. It's just not the expectation is the right of his type should automatically be able to make that next step up to a a sort of poverty and I think it's just it's just too big elite Roy. I think we should have been penalized by removing grand tours with a move by race organizers to sort of scatter what we could days more liberally through the course about the ninety seven seven or eight days when the would be would be decided and then the rest of the time while the stages would dedicate to sprinters be sort of a block of three mountain stages then a break then three more mountain stages I just plus two time Charles and I think which he probably would have would have thrived in that environment. I think he's he has a bit of initially the same way that maybe Pino does with just Producing his best on more than a handful. I'm full of days because on those days when he does produces best. He's he's up there with the best riders in the world probably in the top three or four climates in the world In the mountains. He's one even long and flat time trials you wonder what kind of circumstance is. In what kind of circumstances he could still win a grand tour. I kind of think that if he went into a grand tour with all guns blazing and it was a racist frontloaded grand tour with a lot of big stages early on and he got the Jersey Jersey and he was in a good position and easy rider who I think thrives on confidence and momentum and if a team really rallied around him then and he was in a great position. After ten days I could see impossibly pulling in those circumstances I mean. It's it's a long shot this point. But he's also he's the victim really. I suppose unfair expectations. Our expectations expectations have come from outside. And I don't think necessarily from him. Well the big stories from the tour down under then Caleb Weaning Ritchie poor. Winning overall at Ron Dennis's Chris Room impersonation if you hadn't checked our own Social media you'll be able to find that uncanny but also Mitch Dock and Lachlan Oakland Morton of EF education first shaving their heads and moustaches to raise money for people affected by the wildfires. I think well we saw images on both on moving images on TV and Still photography of the Peleton going through areas of being burned out. I'm I'm Mitch. I spoke to Mitch morning because we are launching the first episode of his life in the Peleton series on our feed Imminently should be online as you as you listen to this. Now I interview with Jimmy. Wheelin Mitch said it was obvious that the smoke was in the air it was hanging pretty thick own occasions But the around delayed not being affected not being affected as badly as over. Melvin where the Sun Tories due to take replacing a couple of weeks time Mitch and Lachlan Morton Complete Msci it unrecognizable without the mullet. And the Moustache. I mean it's quite unsettling looks. It's like a different person. Hey does but yet tune into our new series. Mitch's life into Peleton kicks off with an interview interview with Jimmy Wayland podcasting card the back of the taxi. PK The voice of Radio tour. 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I don't know about you but I've been watching the first couple of stages of San one enjoying it because it's nice to see somewhere different 'em and to see a lot of the familiar faces in an unfamiliar landscapes gapes And there's A. There's a rawness sort of am I don't know A kind of authenticity to the racing. They're quite quite enjoy. Watching an am but something quite striking is pizza gone one that he's not wearing these wearing team kit and can't recall many leap occasions when he's been in in standard team kit as Boron score albeit with the the rainbow bonds and ballsy turned thirsty a few days ago. It's always quite a moment. When a writer especially writer who's who who we remember this prodigy as a as a young man in fact two thousand ten to under ten years ago is when he first came attention and but when writers like that turned thirty Mark Hounded was another one is quite a moment isn't to take stock and to realized that right is probably if not already in decline will be? We'll be starting that process quite soon. C. C. Start to wonder whether the results on his Palmer as wins. He's hard really direct present the talent that he has an and the the result is also we thought he would have when he first emerged ten years ago. Now some interesting question Rich particularly if you look at the types of rice. We expected him into excel in. I know so really. Create a legacy in Levi's mark on history of the sport would have been a guest the classics and and so far. He's won two monuments I would say that suddenly below what we would have expected but then on the other hand is when Three Rainbow Jerseys hasn't he hadn't plus Seven points jerseys in the tour and he has twelve stages of the Tour de France. But what about you do you think. He's in relation to par. Well before I on so that one Just looking back to that tour down. Under ten years ago rich the stage he came to prominence on. What's the one to a longer? And he was in a break with Cadel Evans. which kind of gives you an impression of his Alejandro Valverde but Louis Leon Sanchez as well actually ride with the controversial answering that day and he didn't have to pay a dime for it? Well that was the the the Carton Tartan Racing criterium in Adelaide two days before he got in a breakway with Lonzo Armstrong and it was the the youngest guy in the world tour and the oldest guy in the world to. I think the time so I came to prominence and then a couple of days later feeders. I've told this story many times you're GonNa Roll Your Eyes Danube. He had a terrible crash because he was really getting involved. In bunch sprints and things there and had a terrible crash and I'd arranged evening and I would be off Lo and behold his the ass was waiting in the lobby for me and took me up to his room where he leeann is bad swathed in bandages and wanted to go ahead with into even barely speak English and was more interested in watching the replay. He plays the crash on television. When the race came on and take great delight in a new he'd go far well as you kind of? Yeah you you mentioned the other. Riders are in that first. Break Cadel Evans across long retired. Louis Leon. Sanchez and Alejandro VALVERDE still racing Sanchez. Still so far valverde before eight four. The other rider in that break was Luke Roberts. Who's now a sports director at Sun Web So that kind of gives humanoid Saigon was just a teenager celebrated his twentieth birthday that week but to answer your question. I kind of compared to Sean Kelly in Hawaii away and I think when there's some parallels in Sean Kelly probably should have one more tool stages he did He should have won. The TUA flounders flounders at the the opportunity should have slipped out with back pocket. Once or twice he did win. Of course Asia Asia couple of times he did win of Welte A. C. P. One winning even even of welter you know you're not GonNa win the welter uncivil breaking news breaking news But I don't think Saigon is going to win a liaison Unleash you know now with the cost changed changed. You Know I. It's more likely than than it was Several you know a couple of years ago. I think you have to look at the the record of Green Jerseys as the Rainbow Jerseys the The two monuments he does have and conclude that it's probably on `bout partially. I think I think I think that he he illustrates this very strange point or by cycling. That you can be too strong 'em for your own good and in a way milan-sanremo Ifan does your bay. These are all races that every year. He can win an an every year he goes close in pretty much all of them. He's finished second twice in Sunray Mo- fourth on three occasions. He's finished second once it's at Flanders. He's one at once he's finished fourth fifth. Finish Sakes. He's finished he's not I see Pena's consistently good pirate bay and Diana was set. Of course he would never win. Pirate okay but he did but he he could have had a lot more of those three monuments in in particular. The promised had many years on this ties into another are young writer who is also very very strong. Matthew Vander pull who will ride the Pirate Bay this year and was the subject of a provocative piece and cyclist magazine suggesting that he struggled through in the monument and again. It's got the same problems in a team where he's really the only card that they have to play and countless times in races in these races that has. This proved Pizza sedans undoing and he's is been quite easy for other teams and other writers to beat him because he's been the only writer from a team that they've had to watch whereas when teams have had more than one card to play they've Barrett tons of of coming away with the victory with one of those writers so I think what's been his. His biggest issue has his strength. Has Farm has been there he just wants to be able to convert them into wins other than on these two occasions at funds. Under Rupa you you make a really good point about the team rich and you know he's he's personality has been sort of so transcendent. And so so dominant in the in the DOC teams that he's been in and and I think it was personal choices wanted to be the sole lead up. I think that hospitalized him in terms of monuments he hasn't won one the fact that he was a liquid gas and now borer often. We felt they had lack support. Or the team is a plan B. O. Muster Decoy. And that's been the big extrensive quickstep over the past. Two years often hasn't been the guy you expect it to win. But it's been his teammate. But having said that I think the best last year I am classics. Hunter probably thirty to thirty three. So I don't expect to retire with only two monuments Palmer that said if he did retire with Palmer as he currently has. You could argue that. He's left a big mark on the sport with his personality than he has with his victories. You could argue that and just just going back to that point very briefly I did an event lawsuit Adam bly who was a teammate of ten cough Saxo Oh and then he was talking about the classics where they were going with. SAGAWA's leader on it didn't it was almost as though he didn't really know how to use the team to his advantage in these races and when they were coming out with the team plan in the morning he was asked. You know once Zola by two. Cy Can win this race. He was asking what. What do you want from us as teammates and he just kind of shrugged and said just make sure you can see me? You know I it was there to be see there in in case of an emergency or a wheelchair rather than to use them in a strategic way. I think again you need to have strong young teammates to do that. You know how to a diner loss or somebody say I think he's been a far more dangerous proposition than when he's been this. You know soul soul leader and I think that could be the problem. That Vander Pool has this year in these races as well. Yeah just on on on his whole of monuments. I mean I I I in order to win milan-sanremo for example you would think he'd have to ride quite defensively and just hanging over the white for the spring renews his twitter France Sprint. And that would give him the best opportunity. He's often being. You know teased out into little groups or You do much really A. He's he's probably too flamboyant a rider to you. Know not trump the winds in more so perfunctory manner. I'm just only as masterly Asia. I mean he hasn't ridden it of course last year was the big talk. Wasn't there because the finish suits he arrived or of his Characteristics a much more with the sprint. Finish in the city Pretty pulled out with a race of course nature just an and it might be even less this year with him writing the Jiro because that would be a a big block. If he's GonNa go he's going out and use this year as well. Well not I would suggest the writer who won it Yup fulltime on the way he wanted. Sort of Sean. A bit of a on. How naive those The idea was the Saigon could win on that course. Yeah I mean those final couple of climbs are significant Africa An IRA absolutely battered whenever coming over the top of as anyone who listen to the law and all of the Ardenne would have heard last spring. And lastly of of course you know has not had luxury say. Tom Boonen hide in in the second half of his career when she basically said I'm not doing the Tour de France anymore Shani's he's required to do the grand tours as well And so he's not able to just kind of have a hop week or fortnight. In April March march April is not finished. Of course he's not finished. And ironically I think is best chance of winning son Ramo will come in the twilight of his career. And Sean Kelly. Mario Cipollini I'm the Kelly win it more than once he did he wanted and then one again in his more or less WANNA almost in his final year and Cipollini on time as WANNA it might be that it will genuinely be when he does. Just hang on over the the Paul Gio and is there for the sprint. And he's a powerful. Oh spin around in a fast sprinter. So in the right circumstances Assan Ramo could well be still within his grasp but basically just to sum up the the program for Saga and is that for twenty plus riders in the final phases of all of those races Rehmatullah Florida's pay rebate tactics. One I wanNA unease watch pizzas again and kind of but but that won't always be the case. I'm thinking about a three two or three years. You know that might be playing his favor so when people start to underestimate exactly yeah. 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86: Stage 5 | Saint-Di-des-Vosges  Colmar | Tour de France 2019

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86: Stage 5 | Saint-Di-des-Vosges Colmar | Tour de France 2019

"You are listening to cycling PODCAST UNDER TO THE FANS in association with the fastest quizzing tool the cycling with character right and watch in two thousand nineteen seen as a partner education I and Kenyan sharam stage five today winning combat lobby waiting to do this for a while. Where are we Francois Tommaso? Sorry I dear in my mouth I couldn't I couldn't talk where Action Causes Berg. It was named I think two years ago the Most Beautiful Village Confronts Not Program about it and with with sitting next to the place that called Shit hosiery absent for their Roger Essen foreigner was a kind of took a front owns legend because he was in a sense that the Peter Saigon <hes> of of his of his time you won eight stages in the Nineteen Fifties L. The Yellow Jersey his first year as a pro and in the first or the front's nineteen fifty three it was also the renowned for is a strong character and his <hes> in his life outside cycling was also dubbed by journalists the nightclub word champion so he spent lots of time got married. You know very more in wants. <hes> is Tim director at at a at a at a time in his career was onto the manual so when the Tour de France before the war and the Monk Yeah and mine and mine was a very serious men in unlike Roger Asif a foreigner and one day they actually came to FIS- and partner as follow you used a bicycle pump to <hes> kind of beat up on a mine so it was a very strong character still alive and there's so much it's <hes> so much so that he actually handed the Euro Jersey today to Juliane Philippe who kept it <hes> during the stage and while just to finish on the Roger as enforcer <hes> junior Alessi was asked. Did you know the man who gave You <hes> you know Jersey was and he said I had no idea but whatever I respect I respect this man well there we go. I'm yet what we're seeing his his establishment tonight we are and I can certainly see why causes back would be deep thought of as if not the prettiest one of the prettiest villages towns small towns in in France Shea rosia Harrison Ford itself is a very Germanic looking building isn't it and on the awnings. I've got the awnings could do with a small on live clean. Perhaps I don't know maybe but <hes> they've got little bicycle logos and the initials R H <hes> it's an attractive spot. That's for sure it's beautiful yeah. I've been looking forward to coming here and well. It's a lovely air isn't devotion Boche and that's where we are looking ahead to the first summit finish tomorrow La Plunge the bell fee something of a fixture in the front days under Christian prudhomme will talk about more about more about that later but can you give us a tale of the atop. Oh please Lionel emulating Francois there with the mouth bear indeed yes stage five Sunday Davos Tacoma one hundred and seventy five point five kilometers the main break of the day had the king of the mountains Tim Wellens in in it as well as <hes> Vuelta Stage Win Simon Clark of EF education first Thomas Coins of Trick Sigfredo and Maj Verse of Katusha Screens drop the rest of them on coat TWAS P which was the penultimate climb with around thirty seven in Columbus to go and he was looking pretty good. Actually he had stomach problems over the opening weekend. He told us in the first exciting installment of outside the team bus that he was the I was it was the second it was the second year Roy Sorry Richard Call. Oh you know better than I do remember. It was out of date beetroot juice. That was the culprit. I'm no forget this Lee thrown so all of Lionel's outside the team bus chassis including today's excluding the one to group go by are they all the other ones have something in common if anybody can tell us what they have in common they'll win a prize of some kind of have to listen to see who today's victim of outside team bus was anyway screens wars caught on the final hill. The Cote de Sang Chateau twenty two kilometers to go at the bottom of that hill at Volvos Haagen of dimension data had a mechanical problem with these bike and he well we saw on the T._v.. Then we chasing back on needed gap. I didn't really figure in Finnish rush on the flat run in Rui Costa of U.. A. T. Memories attack with seven and a half kilometers to go. I was looking really good actually caught with only a couple of key to go and then we had a kind of a rula sprint fast. It wasn't a pure on sprint. We we may debate lights whether it was a lot of the the pure sprinters were not at the front and it was peaches again who won head of run out Matia Trenton who probably got the best lead out of the day from his teammate. Mitchum's got teammate Donald M._p.. Sony Code Briley was fourth and Greg Album was fifth and that was Peter Saigon's twelfth two of the front stage when drawing him level with Louis Truce L._A.. Gino Bartali Mario Cipollini Miguel Indurain Robbie McEwen an example and Dan. He's the third highest active writer on the tool with the list of tour stage wins off the Mark Commission Marceau kittle who well kittle we could we could say is not currently active. He suddenly resting anyway that what is staged five of the Tool Julian Felipe remains in the Yellow Jersey. Peter Sagan has extended his lead in the Green Jersey. Tim Wellens has done likewise in the Polka dots and wild who is sitting pretty in second place. Overall is the best young rider tomorrow as you say rich La plunged bill fee and a really tough proper mountain stage really there's no no other way to put it so we look forward to that the fastest closing in a well to the almost cycling with character right and watch in twenty nine thousand nine as a partner education I and Kenyan Sharam thank you very much. Indeed are headline sponsors Rafeh. I mentioned a couple of nights. Go maybe last night I can't remember and that the F. Gone racing films will be coming shortly on the wrath website and on the rougher channel on Youtube actually the first ones being released already leading with Rigobert Iran Iran is <hes> well. It's a portrait of Rigoberta Iran the team leader yes education. I I'm it's he's not a guy that we we know him and he's been around for many years but this is a real insight into into who he actually is so well worth the watch and you will find it in the aforementioned places. There's more coming from the F. Education. I E F gone racing over the course of the Tour de France. I A good stage sedan tanning stage it was good to see some strong writers up the road and not break the pressure on a little bit behind for the teams trying to bring it back together for a sprint most notably son Webb who a couple of sages have taken on a big responsibility <hes> station to Epernay as well and our fleet one they did a lot of work to you. Try and set up for <hes> Michael Matthews and did so again today really to to call not burn responsible. There was a beef the finish I believe between Matthews and Darryl M._p.. Former teammates or a cop slash Mitchelson Scott and I I think Matthews felt the other teams normally not team might have helped in the in the in the chase and in keeping things together but of course the Scott have other priorities here so why would they have. 'em Anyway a bit disappointed. Michael Matthews in the was most more than a bit disappointed. He said himself was confused because because no nothing seems to work for him and he looked really tired <hes> disappointed maybe because of the not Panshir but maybe with the little girl with the M._p.. And also by the fact that it looked like great leader for him. The way was <hes> kind of set up well. I talked to him on a few with a bunch of other journalists at his the bus is at the end of the sage really looked confused not knowing exactly what what kind of tactics should adopt because he is not above sprinter a real one is kind of puncher but but he did you know he was it didn't deliver everson deliver so far with second <hes> in a stage and it seemed like a little bit at a loss of what to do to get that the <hes> stage win and it was almost a hint at the end of the of the interview that it might not be entirely happy by the way <hes> you know the team had been working for him as well so <hes> well. Maybe we listen to what Michael Metz was that to say that I pretty much went exactly how it could've <hes> dreamed got rid. I love the sprinters and sent me good but I'm not sure what happened. In the final I just <hes> yeah wasn't in the right place at the right time. I know show what these other guys are out here trying to do <hes> I think most of them should be in the boxing. Rather than us in cycling race but yeah I guess that is sprinting. It's all part of it. Just wish I had the clear gaffe in some clear we into <hes> actually <hes> shy shy my horse power but <hes> unfortunately listen. I didn't get to it today. Just better positioning into that final few hundred think I was quite good but <hes> everyone sort of done some crazy moves going into that funnel roundabout which <hes> really pushing back a lot of places and then <hes> from that honest assists washing machine at the moment <hes>. I'm getting a bit confused in the sprints for some reason. I don't know if I should <hes> have guys with me or do it myself. It's <hes> some days I have them with me and some days I don't have to. I'm a little bit confused on what is the best to me at the moment but just need to get my head in the right place and <hes> keep trying but yeah this is definitely not what I want to stay pretty unhappy Michael Matthews there. Is this tricky for writers. Isn't it <hes> ah they right. I mean he can certainly win but only if the course someone it depends also on other writers than than when pizzas Saikin's there. He's always going to be a favorite. We'd be talking about scientists not being his best so far this year it's all relative because he's still been pretty consistent. Anything consistent again here but other stage when to add to his tally and Francois Useful to sports threatened to finish yeah and Rick Approach. Could you could tell <hes> deborrah ah grow burst that there was a kind of relief because <hes> you know for them is like like with the the Carney quickstep when you get a stage so early into the two. It's you know a change is totally the outcome of the the the race for the team because now it's kind of mission accomplished. I mean Santana's one stage. We know it yet a disappointing seasons by standards. He said again repeated that he was sick in the first part of the season so it seems to be back come shape that the Green Jersey solidly on on his back for the time being so you could in the eyes of Eric Approach is is a you know both typically German the same time he's he's. He's a very nice guy but it can kind of the role of a manager to kind of concealed emotions but every time you can tell in his eyes you know how important is is a result ferrymen today yet this little lightness. Is You know that meant that really now you know now batstone next mission is probably another stage win next mission. Probably you know of course to win the Green Jersey again with Peter Sagan and kind of relieved before plausibility because they have emissions there as well the Rogers they could perform well in in this stage. I suppose this victory by Peter is a is a relief. Yes <hes> for sure. I think a lot fresher is gone now and we saw in the first is how close it is every time every stage and he's a very good shape but to win. This is never easy. Always he gives his best team work for him and also today. We invest a lot from that. Side is also not only for him for the whole team <hes> tonight's victory doubts or did you have doubt no not really so what does it mean now for. The rest of the tour for the stage win is there the next objective is what the Green Jersey on another statement yesterday Eddie Green Jerseys <hes> is a big goal about <hes> we sought also last year how difficult it is <hes> and one crash or bad day and you can lose it that why we have to concentrate every day and for sure we <hes> try to win more stitches and <hes> hopefully it works. You think it's a new stop for water for Peter Season because there's ton of the season maybe it was less glamorous than than in the past I mean we we know the reason that <hes> he was not in his best shape shape in the in the spring he was so sick and it's always difficult and from that side he had a good preparation for the two two francs now he's in very good shape and we have a lot of goat's also in the next weeks and months and <hes> we'll aww championships again. This is a very nice <hes> course for him and <hes> from that site <hes> we all hope that it can win more races this season. Tomorrow is the beginning of the of the mountains a very tricky stages <hes>. It's a change of gear here for us as well needs to change also of interest who who's your men to do well at approachability. I think we have to write us what can do it well and <hes> assert option also from that side also for tomorrow we are very motivated into a good profit prepared and I hope maybe too optimistic to save in but we can do a very good race Francois on Michael Matthews and the amount of work that some web deeds certain in loss of fifty k. of the race. I mean they ruled over free on those last two climbs weren't they <hes> I'm whilst they possibly have a point to say to other teams. You didn't really give much of a hand well. They weren't obliged to do as much of the work as as they took on that was their own choice but I do think back to three years ago when Massey's one stage in rebel and the whole narrative of that toured being about how Erica Green Edge at the time couldn't quite decide who the pecking order between Simon Gerrans and Michael Matthews and that was kind of vindication for Matthew had thought of being shackled a little bit of the junior man in the team suddenly not a senior as experienced and not with the same powers at that time and hear some web all without obviously Tom Dumoulin so you can see why they would have done what if that work but then for Matthews to only finished seventh. I mean that's not not the greatest on again a day when you would. You would think that Matthews these would be in revolt three years ago. He beats again in that finish <hes> so he clearly capable on his day they didn't really get the reward for the work that they put into you was probably disappointed with himself itself first of all and then of course it's difficult when we talked to these guys just after the race after the stage when the huge effort put in a huge disappointment in the same time and you know much was obviously you were the <hes> <hes> kind of yeah once again confused frustration that the loss of us is a nice guy's. Polite Guy's not going to say he's see somebody's forties mindful as he said himself sometimes. I wonder if I shouldn't do it by myself. Sometimes sometimes not sometimes it's not and maybe the problem is just Michael matches great writer to really I saw in in Canada last September he won. Both legs of the Canadian grand on priest Lee is exceptional is a really great writer neely of the level of Pizano Greg nominate but is yet. He has the same characteristics but it just it's just a little something missing and my my impression is that he feels that he's got a little something missing not been spring not been as good as again and Greg van in this kind of punchy rides and in really needs everything to click into place <hes> on on the day to to deliver and which which is yeah I I can I can understand his frustration been so gifted being so much the sets and not quite getting there. What about Pitas again? I mean twelve tour stage wins. We the funny thing which the guy is <hes>. He's more of a story when he's not winning when he wins. It's almost like wow while Saigon's one. He's supposed to win a stage or two or three of the tool. He's seems to be permanently in the Green Jersey. <hes> has been for years now he's had while he he had he was keeping it warm for a couple of days over the weekend and but now as opened up really quiet guy already and he's not gonNA assuming he stays healthy and stays in the race. He's not going to slow down anytime soon. It's kind of funny isn't it that he gets is over looked a little bit and I wonder what you made of the of his press conference afterwards. I don't know whether you heard any of that because to me. It sounded like it was surreal in places. He didn't really don't answer the question to you would oft. He said a number of times. I don't I know what you want me to say. I don't know what you want me to say <hes> and he's a with these kind of branded motorcycle type glossies around his neck and he looks. I hate to kind of say it in that scenario. Maybe it's just he's totally bored with that scenario but he looks like a man who's kind of bored with with <hes> what he has to go through as a result winning two of the front stage. I had this impression as you add an atoll myself. Okay repeatedly was sick since he you know in the beginning. I'm the season everything we know. You know. Everybody knows actually that there were other issues in his life. <hes> in in the last month or year <hes> that probably affects it is an and may be part of his not winning on top of being sick was a kind of lack of focus goal objective is its own. You know he's been worth champion. Is the Green Jersey one the major classics. Maybe that comes at the time you know it. It reminds me a little bit of <hes> Jovic when when he had this this crisis in this Korean and shot back and this press conference gave me the impression that he had actually <hes> having not won a lot of races <hes> recently it can lost his appetite and and and his skills to entertain the press like like he was back if an oppressed in major press conference not going to separate the the winning from the the things that you have to go through having one and many times that you know the moment of victory in a Caravan Caravan giving a press conference I I understand why he's because it's <hes> it's boring. It's pouring he's been through many the only way he can serve. Come Down Skaters by not saying anything interesting in a way but two questions came from my friend Chiro so they must have been fascinating very interesting and and even then one of them was Elliott Vivianne. Each one thing about Boron score was today. I'll possibly be corrected on this book. Today was the first day that I noticed and didn't skip past four hundred zero bucks because he was the first day I didn't hear thumping music coming out of it it was it was quite surreal silent seen around that hey boss today. Maybe they switched the musical from the stage win. Shoot that I I think podcast team car the back of the facts lease. 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Pay One zero zero and you will get the hundred pounds sigma sports matches well one of the stories of it's been rumbling the all season I remember when Daniel went off to the catoon opposite training camp over the winter and came back with a few issues from there. There was a real sense of uncertainty around the team even from las you're into this year. There was some uncertainty about whether opposite even continue this year opposite are at the end of this year twenty nineteen <hes> and they are the teams looking for another sponsor leaky report today. The writers have been told last night to look for other teams. The team will close and not since understand the actually the writers were. We're told on Friday night that there is uncertainty but nothing definitive. 'em But certainly it's a team that needs on an answer to a problem which is a replacement sponsor for opposite on a sort of sense of uncertainty around Kaytushas well not to shot was launched. I remember during the two thousand eight third of France and launched with great fanfare to nine. They signed up some big names. You know who who puts to Robbie McEwen am and then there's huge ambitions are Russian cycling <unk> Renault's they've since become a more international team their base Ni- registered in Switzerland but still by Eager Makharov very wealthy Russian businessman who for a while seemed like a real powerbroker in the sport of cycling and it seems to have drifted. I bet more M I say I think uncertainty is the word that we would use to describe the current plight of Katusha opposite and on their future and they did have a they've put up fairly good showing it this third front so far. My sports has beaten a couple of breakaways neal's paula the runner up in Pirate Bay was up today eight and the and the sprint finish out the finish is spoke to them as words by his day in the breakaway today and also about the team also to Jose as Vado the general manager of the team about these reports concerning the team's future. I was a high coffee group. You Find Yourself. How did it come about? I attacked anyone's. It was free strong. Guys who who follows that would have been better if it was a bigger group like the first group we went away but yeah Boron sunway if they wanted something else and but in the end with these these <hes> three guys that followed why not try when you we saw the the other guys over there. Did you think it's going to be a hard day and we've maybe got John's. Yeah I felt we had a chance <hes> I sorted today today like fifty fifty four breakaway sprint <hes> so when these guys came came along and he was a nice group and I thought maybe we have a chance so of course we should go forward. We heard this morning reports about the future of the team being uncertain the writers being told they can look for other teams. What was your understanding? I don't know any more than Nah. Nah then you guys and there's a lot of rumors going on <hes> but right now I'm focusing on race and I had no management. They are doing what they can to to save the team. It can't be a nice situation to be writing the turn of this uncertainty yeah yeah I'm. I'm happy to be here and to to show myself. <hes> this is <hes> it's kind of helped me for the future even with without the team but I hope they will. They will find a solution for the team Zeh Midway through today as it was a story in the French newspaper. La Keith said the confusion team's going to close at the end of the year. It's not true no it's not for the moment he's a lot of rumors of speculations. We have people who is working in the future of the eighteen and <hes> when we have real news than we we announced the position with the riders. They've been told the team looking for sponsoring they should keep waiting until the end of the tool. No we have <hes> riders it just we've contract and these writers have the contract with the team so they they have a contract <hes> and they need to wait because if we have been with respect to contracts and we have people without contract rises who finish the contract and this is right Assad free it's normal when they finish initial contract. They add free to decide the future so we don't have a time limit. <hes> we are working in the in the future. We have some possibilities so everything gets opened ten writers contract so this is not the honest is not a priority. Not You know we tried this week on the side. I we need to have a decision about the future <hes> and then we then we start our opposite committed beyond this year as last year with the team now they finish the so you are looking for another sponsor presumably now. We have a lot of samples. Disabilities and we are working on on this possibility. Mr Microsoft's Sylla's involved in the team as he has been in the past or less so he's one of the team as he around as much as he come to racist as they don't come often but these he's eighteen and he knows everything is he committed as well into next year and beyond. I don't want to say you know I only want to say that when we ever real news <hes> we announced for the moment everything Iran speculation and maybe tomorrow we have a different story today. They've come with these new. Maybe tomorrow comes different so <hes> when we have something real concrete than we win for well Katusha not the first team to be in this kind of position during the Tour de France or they <hes> I ironically unikely when Daniel went to see Kaytusha in your car back in January it was around ex exactly the same time the news broke that team sky would be getting out at the end of the year and of course <hes> when we initially reacted to that whole story we we were very skeptical about the idea of Dave Browser and Co attracting a sponsor that would match let alone beat the budget of team sky but he managed to do so with any us and one of the things browse for the set over the months. He's a anyone by by no means the only Ceuta he claimed there was a lot of interest and you know that could be a bit of bravado maybe but certainly his experience of trying unattractive sponsor is at odds with some other teams and <hes> well we will wait and see what happens with Katusha. There's the whole canyon question isn't there who are so invested in in Matthew Vander Pol the cyclocross world champion champion world champion just about everything <hes> tiddlywinks I think also <hes> and clearly he has a future on the road and my con- if there was some rumbles month or so ago that perhaps that might be movement coming from Ben Napoles team in Kaytusha Direction but actually that is not to be the case it may well be that the the world tour licence. If Katusha doesn't manage to come up with alternative sponsorship the World Tour licence might be up for sale and then well they could be why in for several people to get into the world tool yeah little interesting addendum to as Vado into their after adventure karting. He said that the team has gone through the world through application processes normal. AH TEN RIGHT IS UNDER CONTRACT FOR NEXT YEAR SO law writers not under contract furniture which is significant. I thought his response to the question what Microsoft was also significant they wouldn't comment on his future involvement and how involved you'll be with with the team next year and into the future so yeah law of is really not doesn't seem very clear toll what's going to happen with that team. M kinds of little crashes Carter from US tonight. Am I said the Makchaidee they was going to cover this with Alli Viana he is going to be too who cut with Fernando Gaviria <hes> on its Fabio Sabatini from 'em decadent quickstep who will move Viviana to call for this apparently Vivani. Johnny doesn't really want to move by the offer to be made by covered. This is irresistible you from the clinic that wage structure Lionel don't WanNa be unkind but who wants to go to coffee this really. I'm if the money was right. I'm <hes> you know he's not apparently earned very much last couple of years. It's all relative of course by. 'EM YOU WANNA racist. Viviana in the next two years are probably the two years when he can earn the most money and so he's also perhaps go Olympic competitions coffered as may support that where the quick step might not so that might be another reason for him to go. Are we going to hear outside the team bus we certainly are why don't we do that now. In eighteen bus Ben King and I ride for team dimension data for Quebecer Now ben your hair hunting for stages but what are the mechanics of stage hunting. I guess that job starts today a little bit yeah. It's a tactical thing. Obviously we were looking over Giacomo first couple of sprint stages <hes> today that if it comes to the final with the Peleton it's a good stage for ED vault otherwise we're GONNA try to be present on breakaways as well so <hes> yet. You're always have to be aware aware of what's going on with other teams. What's the composition of the breakaway and who wants to control so you have to start to gather that information even on the start line in a neutral zone and then <hes> try to make the best decisions out on the road? How easy is it to look the tour as a whole and kind of identify days it might work for you? Walsh also trying to go with the mentor taking day by day for that. I think it depends on who is in the leader's Jersey and what are their ambitions to keep the Jersey an extra day or control or who you know. I'm already down on the overall so I have if they if I go in the breakaway. Then wakes up doesn't need to chase me down but then if Ben Ever Matt's as in a breakaway today then they may want to keep the Jersey and other day than that case they would chase so it's without making those kinds of decisions out there. Are there any riders you look at from other teams you think if he moves that will be a goodwill to go with yeah. I think for sure like again well in swope. We'll try today guys like that. <hes> I know certain Craig Understanding last time yesterday there are a few guys this who you could see loss time intentionally <hes> to give themselves a chance to get up the road later on so how much confidence though to wins the well to last year giving you because they were both such impressive wind way you ought to get in the break and the strength to finish them off. Yeah and cycling always say that you're only as good as your last race. which is you know it's Kinda true but at the same time having achieved victories like that? I know it's possible. I know that I'm capable of it. I know that I have that potential so <hes> even just trusting myself in situations like that if I if I have an opportunity like that then I know I'm capable of it and I've I've put in the work and <hes> still the same writers I was then so yeah. I know it's possible. This is the tour so nothing is free but but it's the level that bit higher you since you allow kid is kind of coming back to you now. It's all the same writers <hes> it's all the same rights race with all year and even in our dense classics like <hes> you know the stresses there and physically those races are just hard hard but there's so much more outside of the tour <hes> just the attention it gets in the pressure from sponsors and just everyone's invested so much in this that <hes> that can affect you as well. I think that it also affects each rider that feels that pressure and fights that extra bit harder so and not sense the I guess you can feel the kind of a different atmosphere more more energy when you do get into a break. How much are you calculating taking the whole time and the energy? You're using trying to save but also not trying to not pull your weight again. Yeah you're always calculating and for the breakaway to have a chance to make the line and you do have to pull your weight so <hes> it's about you know they say do as much work because <hes> the weakest guy in group or whoever's don't work more than anyone else basically but maybe one guy's having a bad day and you have to determine whether he's bluffing or if he's if he's just trying to save energy and then that kind of situation you have to make that call and if he's really just having a bad day then you might have to pull a little bit more than him but you have to calculate. You're always calculating your own potential your own strength what you have left in the tank compared to everyone else so you don't want eh do any hero moves early on but you have to pull your weight <hes> to keep the momentum of the group moving and lastly. I don't want to give your tactics away. 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I think that they'd be not the he was being stone added to longtime ago months ago on the France last week will be two months later this little risk from everybody hoping esteem Dhabi's his team don't do Demar here for him thing he got a lot of different points that maybe can be history of France who he was on Francois <hes> well if it's not a misery voice anymore if I say it was but I guess you know most of you dear listeners as say have recognized these men who usually when he used to ride ee wouldn't speak English now it is a team manager P._R.. Men and looking as fit as ever <hes> does speak pretty good English actually and the men of course was the men won the to the front ten years ago. He's name is Albert Account. All he ended. They'd they'd say he was on a motorbike. Today for your sport was Nice Italy and <hes> you know he he hung around the buses talk to everybody kind of I wouldn't say begging for selfish but you know very willing to take part in the in in all the circus giving him personally misses a little bit and talking to almost everybody you know from the press and yeah it was. It was nice to seem a Ryan you know he's he's kind of been missed a little bit. I think Contadora obviously in two thousand fourteen on the tourists second visit to La plunge the Belfi a stage very similar to tomorrow's in that it was by far more than just la plunged Abou- fee was a tough day in the voege mountains and it was it was pretty bad whether or not they think concert had a terrible crash which forced some of the tour it was a very dramatic day on the tour and it probably removed from the tour the man who have been most likely to challenge Vincenza Nibley I believe and so it was a very significant day for the flatter and for about two Contadora as well and I'm the saints it really can't tomorrow is kind of similar. Isn't it Lionel. I heard Dan Martin tonight. Say that 'em he thought it might even be the hardest each of the entire tour well when you look at the profile and the the climbs then there's possibly a case for that not necessarily in the the any of the crimes have the severity of you know repeated climbs the absopure knees but it's a real dokes tooth profile isn't it the first category climb the Mark Lamarque Stein The star and then there's the grown by loan which had a beautiful name but not NASA slightly deceptive one because only a third category is only kilometer and a half or there abouts and then the second got to climb then the ballon down SAS which was really the first mounting the tool ever went over in one thousand nine hundred five you know so there's some some Roman seven nuts nuts difficult and then another third category in a second category before lap launch their bill fee and of course the thing everybody is talking about and and you know it doesn't really know a great deal about is this additional stretch of gravel <hes> they finish in the gradient and it's a it's a pretty different proposition two certainly the lost time when they only had a third category climb on the way and twenty seventeen. It's a proper climbing day and it's not as controllable as the outs appear knees where you know you you do see a team just on the front and the the Valley Roads and Nice and straight and <hes> you know everyone no all right. We're descending them. We're going along the flat now with climbing again. It's it's a bit more isn't it in in this area front fits trickier whether we'll be fine I think according to the forecast a tough tough day and we will find out certainly who the best half dozen climbers aw tomorrow afternoon. I want certainty as well. It's a word I'm using tonight by the Finnish not many people seem to be to inspect it and there's we spoke to Christian prudhomme this morning Francois for tomorrow's whereas episode of two zero and he described the Lahser nine hundred meters as gravelly think it's been treated a little bit hard part so am is not going to be <hes> you know just a a loose gravel road and it's very very steepen places so it is somewhat being done to to make sure that writers tires grip bought is going to be difficult and among some the S.'s and writers of maybe angers too strong but you know ah question of why it's been felt necessary to add this caravan bond who are sports day and who will hear from in this episode of Common Zero Tomorrow and really confused and puzzled about why the organizers need this extra bit but as Prudan told us they'd always had that in mind from the very first visit to La Paz the Belfi he also told us that in the future and with this extra bit and extra difficulty lap Lonsdale fi could feature later in the race pumps in week two or three which is fascinating when you think goodbye you know where the termite star and highway navigates its way around France when so kind of restriction away by having to go to the the opposite pair knees and weeks to three I mean we the salty niece. You're pretty pretty close to the ABC's. You're you're you're you're close to the OP so when every now it opens possibilities to suffer from the south even South West which was a little bit tricky in the past from Spain even you know and and go through the Pyrenees and at and go back to Paris and an last week of the tour with maybe diversion if not the last week but you know so yeah y-y`all said there were lots of other climbs in there we know he loves the relievers so yeah. Obviously you know that that's thinking and planning behind that <hes> let's hear from my white the director I mentioned in Scott I mean they're they're always pretty meticulous and they're planning they're here without him as to try and win the tour and we'll hear first of all just what you said by Artemis last year because he had problems last year. We're not quite sure what they were thinking dehydration quite cryptic response from white here and before we go and talk by LAP Lonsdale fee last year there were questions are rumors uh-huh norrkoping so well with the heat. I don't know if you've ever go to the Boston whether it was he issue or dehydration issue on one day. What will happen to last year? I'M NOT GONNA say we've sorted out internally and we're confident the vichy France that we've we've resolved bishop like a secret. It's public knowledge. It's for us so people make mistakes we make mistakes but the people who learn from are the ones who are successful and the best places to learn from mistake and last year we had some issues but <hes> we're confident going forward that everything's everything's been putting price for this tool. Regardless of the temperature. I'm Thursday stage to low plus Belfi unsung claim that out of those really well having lived in race in the area and is like climbing a wells well enough at a few view terms but the on the only thing that we know is the last one hundred meters which as far trial <hes> not that long ago <hes> and it's incredibly sleep and I think the last one hundred minutes to Columbia. I think a will change the loss is Quan because before I think it won't be as hot from the bottom because the F. It is going to be maybe three minutes longer so it's a very very tough day other other days. We've used these foreign okon. The days haven't been his tough so the die in general generalist tougher yet another one hundred sloughs of twenty two percent twenty four percent to the finish lawn. I think we're going to see some major my weights between the J._C.. Guys and <hes> seamy exciting day is the Suzanne maturity. noser is the one that he likes as well yeah it does it does. This is not a guy who has had a lot of experience in that audience all the rising but that's a stall that we wanted molten towards as well he has finished sixth or seventh in on the ice crashes she in in flesh but they're the racists that sued him. That's very similar Tim Affonso Punchy Explosive Finals and <hes> do I think it's a it's a formula that suits he's characteristics. It's always really open race this year. I mean is that how you see the group of five six seven writers who could generally win this race I do but I still I still think the five it's definitely in your so I think <hes> guarantee Thomas and Benalla to me favorite number one and number two and then I'll put another four or five guys in a in a in a bracket they all with the ability to for the podium so that was why not revealing too much about what they've they've <hes> they find with <hes> without sin the promise he had lost confident that it won't be a problem this year and <hes> yeah looking ahead while we're all looking forward to a really interesting and exciting stage tomorrow we certainly are rich but in terms of to route planning I've made a real rookie era in my fuelling strategy. Don't want to reveal too much about this but last night in Nasi we had a very nice meal in the restaurant Brewery excelsior which Francois Book I seem like half the Tour de France at one point in the whole of the whole of leaky. We're in there and other faces from that I see outside the team buses no Roy did of course they they will having their specially prepared meals back at their hotels also carefully weighed out and designed by nutritionist and prepared by chefs away as we're coming out swinging doors right they just barely able to hold up trays grueling with food. It was as we were waiting for Lionel's Quiche Lulu into the he was not warm enough the wizards older tweet a little bit and you had sauerkraut. I did well that was the era I'm referring to because the Sauerkraut with the with the one of the poor on the talk the frankfurter sausage in the knuckle of Ham and the slices of other support were it's not quite from nauseated is much more down here in the Alsace and looking at the the very attractive looking menu shea rosia rosia Harrison Ford. I mean ordinarily be relishing a plate of Sauerkraut this evening back toback Sauerkraut. That's like that's like climbing out and do as twice in Los Angles tail custody twice as well but we we we drink Pinot no no our last night I must say and which brings us back to the plaza fee because Pinot I talked to Evil Mijo one of his team's directors this morning and he didn't hide the you know the ambitions of Thibaut Pinot said it he will be in his garden in knows every single centimeter of all the climbs involved and is going to be very special differing and they didn't Treselle. No you'll be day like another. We see what what happens the objective of thibaut Pinot of course it's to feature as well as possible tour but tomorrow E._S. kind of made it is his duty to shine on Israel's and to actually go for victory. I think he'll win if he doesn't win. I think Gilmartin will win there. We go. I don't indulgent is Kinda speculation really iming. I'm really fascinated to see how Julian Allah Philippe gets on because we know what kind of climate he can be when he's when he's able to get up the road I mean he's he's obviously very good <hes> he can cope with really steep deep staff you know we've seen him win on the mood who flesh alone so twenty four percent won't be worrying him perhaps as much as some of the other. It's the debate in the middle of the problem isn't it for him and the relatively relatively relatively inexperienced I riding in that kind of defensive way when that group goes from fifty riders to forty two thirty and then you know they start popping off the back <hes> whether he sits at the back and goes around people you know it's going to be really interesting to watch him tomorrow. Yeah I mean I say I think Pino will win or Gael Martin or Alpha leap I mean I really do. I think it could be a kind of this could be a yellow Jersey defense. That goes a lot further than people magic could be like Tommy vote cler. I spelling yellow and I think that he's one of these writers that rise on such passion that he will fight to the end to defend the Yellow Jersey. I think more on while I don't think he'll win the tour I think I think he could go a long way in yellow while the incentives there because he if he does get through tomorrow he really could be in the Yellow Jersey to sort of back into next week. I mean that's not surprise. It's on offer just for we go <hes> another mentioned for our van Harrogate during world championships on Friday night. That's going to be great fun. We Francois will be their free will be there. I'll be there line will be there and we're in talks with a potential guest will unveil that potential guess at some point perhaps but you can get tickets at the psych in podcast dot com click through to events and it'll take you eventually to that page for the the Harrogate event is going to be our biggest event. We're also doing a tour of British venues in November and we're going to reveal details of those places as soon as we can probably nice thing but stay tuned for that and that's all for tonight am high on almost forgot. I spoke to Agam Bernau of team any US at the start this morning the twenty two year old Colombian who some are saying the favourite for the Tyrrell. I guess we'll have a reasonable idea. Maybe tomorrow night at Lonsdale fee. Here's what you said at the start this morning. You've got a good start to the the tour I'm how are you feeling and how did you feel the other day to to gain five seconds and some of your rivals. I'm feeling pretty good so far. I think we need a really good preparation with my coach. We arrive to the tour in really good form so I'm happy for that on about the five seconds. I think that it's not too much time to be honest but this to to gain the seconds that maybe lows them but the eighteen that's normally you don't win the two for five seconds but like I said this is better to gain the second not to las understand. You're on the front of the bunch when our Philippe attacked on the climb to you think about going with them. Would you have been able to go with him when he attack. I was thinking maybe to take the news about the attack really really strong I to be honest. I can't follow him. He was really strong. Eh on yeah. I can't follow him what you know about love launch stable fever every tomorrow. If you've been up there Nano I saw the video of the last time the two right there will be for sure <hes> really have stace a- all the juicy riders want to be in the wrong onto some seconds thinking in the future. Maybe the P._T.. Or everything I think that will be the contact with the High Mountain so oh for sure. We'll be really important for us now with more confident. I think the the the first day I cash it on I lost. I'm already on. I came yseult with another mentality you know to to the guy was really different now. I'm I'm happy to have the support of the team and it's really different when when you come up with the guy and when they are helping you is a little bit this year but the year I'm pretty happy so far. I think that is harder to not have them when you have the support of your team. This is something Nice. I am shading the leadership void. The tomasso thing that if I do a with Doris will be something Nice Really Nice but if not I'm just trying to do. This is my second tour mistaken grant so I just want to enjoy you know I don't want to to have pressure on. Maybe not enjoyed the to think about the pressure of the pressure on the pressure that the maybe journalese one to me. It's it's not me so I do enjoy and they come to zero supported by Hans grew today was called the C._e._o.. And it was Fran Miller who's The C._E._O.. At team any US and lots more to come for well two zero certainly less now to lap launch belfi tomorrow morning kilometer zero episode because it will <hes> well beside floor final. I Know Yours is yours is always wet that our our table awaits us a think across there. I'm before we go pick. Thanks to some of you have signed up as friends of the PODCAST OF SEIKEN PODCAST DOT COM to Dylan baxley James Kelly Ivor Ivar Nygaard Adam kimber and Peter bonynge hope that's correct pronunciation then many thanks to Martin Williamson Jonathan Earl Benjamin Baron Minute Cohen rubbing long and a big thank you to our friends Adrian Adrian Heaton James Bond Daniel Power one manure Steve All IQ and Matthew Grant. We'd better go eat. That's all for now. Thank you thank you Richard. Thank you Francois thanks.

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55: Our Giro riposo: Porte in a storm

The Cycling Podcast

55:03 min | 5 months ago

55: Our Giro riposo: Porte in a storm

"Did my amateur days needs three. Here we raise the just before it happened minute. Running down the incalculable. Patrimonial permitted Abedin's KUNI staff fearmongering quiz. Ntil startled the inner drains Matsuno when I graduated to join in my per meter when home started shaking and classing across the Medieval City Lequiller. Thousands of buildings which have stood for centuries simply crumbled to the grounds people under this would have stood. No chance saying I'm the disaster struck long after you were shocked because we were literally right in that region right before it happens. Kinda scary and go back there just over you later. I use of problem. Take the Pink Jersey is some at least I kind of really knew that were going through. Even on that day it was terrible guy. We could see the carnage that caused you before that massive earthquake you are listening to the cycling podcast at our digital brought to you by. I woke up flexible. Loans for small businesses. Say Today we adding like we love. Says you say inch with the Sean Kelly. Sean Kenny's CASS casquette. Richard Actually Sean Kelly and Alberto Tomba based on what let your skin gum. Big Ski Type Ski style headband. On with with Sunglass I was reminded of Alba Tombola Bamba. I've lost you days because he's big big chunks of Mario Cipollini Unit. Tomba was from Tuscany. I'm which is not an area that most people associate with scheme but I think he's he's home. Resort is also Cipollini Home Resort Abbott. On which is a famous destination in cycling. We saw Tomba the star. The loss you didn't we Bologna did and we were played in their 'em by Ricky poor who's the subject of today's episode I normally sobbing? Where are we lionel reliable? What we're in luck. Huila for arrestee lack wheeler of record was hit by a terrible earthquake in two thousand and nine and in two thousand ten the Girardi Talia visited had a stage. Finish in town. WE'RE GONNA talk about that particular stage because it was the day that Richie Porte took the Pink Jersey and it was a war one of the most memorable days in the last ten years of Jiro. History wasn't it just scraping in the last ten years of history isn't it it is can i? Can we have a real time crisis corner immediately Of course Abbas to Tom Risen from Isn't from Tuscany because we saw him in Bologna last year and we symbol on him? Because he's from that area isn't but I think my points still stands about Abby Tornado. Being his home resort and Bologna's not no exactly mountainous either and it and it's pretty close to Tuscany eighties. And in fact if you go to some Florence from Bologna is one way to go over those mountains where I think I might. Well be wrong about this as well but I think told my Easter ski there anyways arrestee no cycling for US RICHARD ON VIRTUAL. Jiro Jiro on the GT PLATFORM. My legs of certainly appreciate it a day off. What about yours well of no actually had a day off because I had to do Saturday stage today Lionel because I take a rest in Saturday. Oh said fast cheap thing or well challenge your could lose. We established that at the start way down south today for practical reasons. I've done some laundry. I've been watching some press conferences on youtube just to get into the rest day spirit. What about that? Lovely drive over the nine's last night from Salerno from just outside Naples. She enjoyed that night. Promulgating to you. You'll territory now. This sort of wild boar kind of lovely wobble Raguz thick Kinda peachy type gas sausage. Meaty me good. Nice region. Eventually Trough traveled a great bit in the Dino Book Rich. We were just talking about that before we started recording today about an how the the soul of Italy in the Jiro lies in the central regions. And it doesn't A. Jiro doesn't feel completing unless it goes to. Those regions actually disappointed me a little bit when I saw the Jira Announced this year that there wasn't much time will to be spent in Tuscany. Umbria and Abruzzo those regions. You're listening to the cycling podcast at our Talia brought to you by. I woke up flexible. Loans for small businesses. I W. O. C. A. K. Thank you very much. Indeed to are title sponsors. I walk a proud to have them as our main supporters and They're enabling us to be here covering our. Jiro and I walk. Aren't award-winning finance company. Who specialized lending to small businesses? They were it in twenty eleven and they've issued more than a billion pounds to companies ranging from startups to established businesses. If you'd like to know more about I walk and they support cycling as well. The Cycle Club as well as a cycling podcast. Then go to I walk. Dot Co dot. Uk Anthony. The teeny is to nearby Area of Italy which in very rural mountainous region shortly speaking sort of central West. But it feels more southern. I have been there and dismember being incredibly beautiful because it so in general so rural and remote the agriculture there is is largely to sheep hurting and things like that. This stash is very much. A shepherd stash it's basically lamb kebabs or lamb skewers. And it's kind of thing that little pieces of meat cups small so they could quickly and shepherds could've eaten could pads while they will often locks on in the mountains. It very very simple to marinate the meat she literally you just a bit of so cooking on the grill. Seven with some Grad small of oil. Maybe some the lovely multi culture so wine also else rustic and read the important thing I think. If you're making your home is to not go for anything to lean. I think traditionally as with most kebabs you would be using a mixture of sort of pieces fats and Fatemi and Lena bits new easing matter. If you'll just buy one cut a probably like shoulder all maybe a mixture of of lamb and lamb stakes just to make sure it doesn't dry out on the grill and those who actually really spots to meet down on the skewers of tryout but yeah it's important very delicious well felicity. My Lamb kebabs skuas. A fantastic light ish lunch. The Italians traditionally cook them on the barbecue using something called a four and a cello which you can suspend the skier as above the flame. So the lamb fact drips down. And you get a Ni- smokey effect but I cook mine in a very very hot griddle pan. I took your advice and the lamp small. I separated the meat from the fat and I kind of distributed evenly and I really packed on so was a very tight Kebab of of just meet and then I spring Whitson some really nice course sea salt on and just watched them smoke on the Grill Pan till basically they ready to turn when they were. You know I could rig with them free without the without them. Sticking Leaving Hoffman. On the pattern that may absolutely delicious with some rosemary roasted potatoes. In a little bit of I only ask salad cream. I realize it was I I had site. Oh me to let us as the alleged offensively upon either you really have to miss them. Rustic breads and olive oil. I guess as actually put them in a fine time offensive. The APP wind diaper. I did that. You had a nice classes. Red Wine alongside Lumpkin. John I can say quite close enough right brought to you so I I was. It was really good. I like the fact he'd back attacks on I might have had them a little bit charts but then ran garbage. That play hard from your company event. Act like that was arrested and we we seem to be talking about 'em foods already bought another another visit to the to the first branch of the Napalm restaurant. They're very tasty. Signed it indeed indeed a very tasty rest lunch extremely simple just just lamb shoulder on on keep apps absolutely delicious With a nice glass of red wine from the region Yeah well why not? WanNa put channel any tasting notes napalm very tasty and we're very well with allow sick multiple China so you don't often get good stuff rolling the the road and doesn't come across a as long as you had a nice lunch line a lot. Semaine thing unless they was impressed. So that's obviously the main the main thing knipe woman Felicia ring-fence the whole food of the takeover. We'll also get an extra in an deferred anyway on with on with today's his eight episodes Richie Porte. We've gone into Ritchie. Poor US spoke to him recently. Diane very interesting in a long interview on. Actually we'll put quite a lot of on the friends feed so that they were GonNa hear it. She poor on his first year as a pro and how we came to join Saxo Bank we'll hear about the the stage in question from two thousand and ten is fresh grunter oversee when he ended up in the Pink Jersey. But for a longer version with Richie Gere on to talk about the rest of his career that will be on the friends feet. So sign up as a friend. If you want to hear a bit more from Richie Porte. We're going to hear in a moment from Ritchie poor but to turn professional but right at the start of this episode. We heard him talk a little bit about the earthquake that hit the area the previous year. We are rich a succession of a very bad earthquakes central Italy over while period of twenty years released. The first one was nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy and were. It was a national scandal. Really how long? It took to to repair the damage. Rehouse people off to that Quake two thousand nine. There was another one. Which is the one. We're GONNA mainly focus on today so in April early April. Two thousand nine city of La Kwa Was really devastated. By the quake. Eighty thousand people lost their homes. I mean I gain Ten years later over ten years later not everything has been rebuilt now. Everything has been repaired. There still churches and schools are in a pretty bad state and there was another one. I'm going to talk about tomorrow. So two thousand. Sixteen two thousand seventeen in the area of preacher and yeah and this is all part of our theme a bit of a theme for all of them rebuilding rebirth of of Italy You know we talked a week ago in our first episode about how the Jira win it does come back. We have become about this year is GonNa sort of symbolize and hopefully galvanize in a way. this this reconstruction of you know. Italy Italian national sort of confidence the battalion economy and Yeah the the two thousand nine Earthquake was was a significant moment for the region and the following year. Two thousand ten the Jiro. It was going to go to lock. Huila and it turned out which he puts a very significant stage. First Time I ever saw you. I think was a the the world's in Mendi Zero in two thousand nine. I remember watching the road race. The men's elite road race. There was like a Gazebo. Set up with all the HTC darkness with add so Allen. Pipe was there and Bob Stapleton I remember you being there Nile. Someone who's that guy in your name and I sort of assumed maybe we're GONNA turn pry freight's DC because you know you tie with Piper and so on but that didn't happen on with Saxo Bank so I mean that in itself was a bit of that was sort of against the odds. Wasn't it because I don't think they they had a place for you You managed to win beyond race. Ovo twist his arm. Is that right lucky to have that? String connection there that begrudges. Kinda set that meeting up with HTC during the rice as well known after his lucky enough that. Yana reese opposite way to me and SAM student at grady negate said he'll be injury surgery seeing. Just introduce yourself and reach. I did you know he said to me that he didn't ask left for the next year. But he downing. Tuscon where I was staying on Holiday a week off site to catch up with me in house lucky enough that looks remote testing results from Mapei. Enormous blood postponed results from the year. Ended that conversation. I had a contract with Investing in the road time wasn't the easiest time. Threes ahead needs to come to contract on on. That team was just felt justification for packing up my life in. Tasmania meeting to the absolute outside of the World. And Hide off reese decides to sign you and then you go to the training camp which I think was in gun Nadia and I mean one of the ways in which he made an impression I think was the beyond recent may be comfortable. This thought you were dead in the swimming pool because you swim underwater for long Right our reset to do a test. Neri could swim the furthest I think yen's deep fifty Mehta's but Ami background as a swimmer. Hi hasn't think I swim by seventy three on the in a fifty meter poll. A Nice thought that I was going to pass out at some united. First thing that got me you know Fabian. Copa the the water off up the ladder. Now be cut on the background. Bobby Julie Computer of interesting is of certain. Wasn't such a big deal from same background to do that. But it did impress nice guys and you mentioned a couple of names. Were in that team whose full of experienced names guys. Who'd already had decorated careerism. In how if you so cost you mind back to that camp. Let's first couple of months. I think race was a bit critical of your way at first but I mean. How's intimidated were you? What was your frame of mind in those first couple of months? I told me I was set before. Kreider and a member he looking at me Or Rabab stoa underwater swim Wasn't really impressed with my shape when you tuned up to team camp in February. Is They against this jewelry? The schlick brothers. Matty racial so many guys that you watched on television. Then you've got to know them in no just normal everyday knockabout Phyllis. That was no thing. Probably the guy that made the biggest impression on May at that camp was Nissar Anson amend what she named When the station until that year? And then you got to spend time with him. hawking and stuff like these news hottest guys on the black but off. It is all about skills He's probably more the guy that I clicked with some straight away. Would you think who would you remember feeling about where where this was? All leading professional cycle. What did you think you also place was going to be in this bull in this first few months looking? Obviously on the I can't you you don't really know What to expect Than we did quite a lot of testing was a separate camp say Races in training. Were did some time trial stuff you know I was sort of second behind Yakov signing in the time trial and Frank Schlicht sits meese it yet. You've actually got some talent. So maybe a Ken. May he go of it? Coming from being an amateur and your normal these guys Too Far ahead until Dema I races in in May offer and realized that it was hot. expected you're near professional and you've watched this guy's whole life racing on TV. You don't really secrets. You'll be up the banging Bosnian sitting. That's how it was when I turned professional in probably not quite same. Now you see neo price coming in this probably not that labeling of intimidation in the bunch anymore cycling's change so much but for me straightaway. I think that the hottest thing was that funny big Is it to you for being that way? And you sort of have to Cool the brakes on it and get out of the way the made it hard was when you back bunch. She really to can sorta erasing Bunches magnified when you almost lost feel safe. May that was probably the hottest learning that and trying to gain respect without any able and the other aspects of it is the u You knew so first. Rice's when you're about twenty twenty one Still quite new to it. New to bite racing generally also new newish to Europe you. You'd had your experiences in Tuscany in sound but he was young in that respect what we also have they not first year. What we kinda like circumstances. Where were you living? Who He's hanging out with your with the big Soviet influence on that point actually the lucky that he coldly for Ionel rock is am east from my hometown and his father from the Tasmanians truthful me at the time he was in his wisdom do caddy Modi. Gpa said he was traveling quite a lot but he was really the the guy that bent over backwards to make me feel homing Monaco when he was around Vedeno And things like that so I was lucky to have it of hollowing. Eight of Camaraderie turned out to one of might say United Respects K. That then when you move from each league to to Monica you can't just move into. Monica knows lucky. That was about to say how did not come about at that. Stage needed fifty thousand dollars in the bank at any one time and I was lucky that some my bank still. We've kind of said I K- seen cyclist coming. He's not on. That was seller at the time was fishy tales in euro. So be I would sue For that outfit then also say lucky that my parents were in the position until so help me out with all that sorta see you know in the bank? They wrote the attestation to the the government to. He's not money in the bank. We will know that. Eventually he will get on his feet in essentially. That was how but you know I remember. When I moved to Monica I went to buy a vacuum cleaner. You know. I didn't know he had enough money to thank two hundred. And Twenty Euro vacuum in cast at our data d'italia he supported by science in sport. Sciences sport fueled by science. Thank you very much indeed to scientists sport for fuelling me around our Jiro and for supporting the cycling podcast and supporting you. If you want twenty five percent off all your scientists sport products go to support dot com and enter the code. Sis CPI twenty five as sis. See Twenty odd I remember with. Are we donyell well? Rich in a spectacular location where both long way above the Lago Deseo which is near tomorrow. Starting Laura stunning. Isn't it miserable to raining most of the day but it stopped raining? The closer just hanging there on. Its is stunningly beautiful. Really still isn't it. Yep We're above the clouds something we'll have some clowns or tippy top little wispy like Marco Pantani hair before he shaved off a hot tub over there we were we were tempted to podcast in the hot tub where we were trying to think of. Us think to ourselves. What would line do he were if he's here in the hot tub with a loss of pink percents who got cats crawling all over us here. But that's fine. I kinda. She set my chair because of the continents. All right fine cats for using that so Daniel. This is our press conference. Shall we just get straight into your question? Yes for its latest from All position on the terrace looking desire is the Matia. Catania is had enough to announce be replaced by Daniel Cattalo himself Dario policy off the last Chris. Catania didn't WOLF DOWN ON SHIFT CHRISTMAS. So they can find a lot of water cold. Those are the zero more or less like this Lot of rain every day. Two thousand ten worst WANNA one year later after halfway in Lucknow our ten year so is a moment for that city. I was saying many times when I was younger and In place so I feel it more even for for that reason. And when something like that happens and it's happened a few times in Italy with quakes. It doesn't just get repaired and sought it out in a year. I mean the people on and still living with the consequences living with consequences but like realize actually is the city who is is coming out in a very nice way. I been there a few days ago and so it really a CD and will be very beautiful to see tower. How it was just after they actually can. Now that is again is Up Mobile well. Today's I'm records Daniel tickets back a year to arrest the second rest day last year when we were invaded by cats. Who made off with one of our crisps. And then we we heard from one of the constant way who writes from his star. Well I think we heard about the feline diarrhea Cataldo then we had from the Real Daria Cataldo. Speaking to me last year revisiting the stage that we're going to speak about in a lot of detail today laquelle. That's pretty close to where that Cataldo is. First before we move on with should make it clear. You shouldn't feed crisps. Two cats we did get an email from a friend of PODCASTS EVENT. Last year and complaining that we had Endorsed the feeding of crisps account. We hadn't of course on the cats were were crisp thieves rather than being fed by mentioned this loss. Jabe my cat smudge. God rest his so used to eat. Papa Adams used to love a populism. We have account called smudge. No we did domino and SMUDGE. I also used to my car two names and smudge Gabrielle. Carteris twitter so we heard from Ritchie poor but he came to join the world to acquire unconventional Pi. Three little bit like The episode we had a few days ago with Cadel Evans who am came from mountain biking and made an immediate impact. Ritchie poor also made a came from triathlon and made a major impact in. Yeah he did rich and I mean as far as we were concerned from the outside it looks as though he really taken to professional cycling like a duck to water. He's very very home in the in the pool. I think he's Dodd. Used to manage swimming pool. Rich it's been a lot of timing. Swimming pools never used venture into the sea. Apparently I remember reading more because he was scared of sharks but Tam he. He had sort of been on a fast track he. He'd started racing quite late and had a bit of a meteoric rise in couple of years in Italy and done very well One Time Charlie. Thinking Baby Jiro and was so impressive. Their face sort of suggestions from some of the local riders. Some local ready to win onto become quite big name. Pros that something untoward. Yeah what we. What we didn't know is that it was actually really struggling in in the first couple of months in terms of results in that first year. Yeah I mean we said it was a culture shock but despite that you hit the ground running rarely you particularly win a time trial at the tour Ramadan. You you win comes a couple of months off though or a month or so after the all these wild rumors about Fabio Contra having a motor in the in the class Hicks and I think there was some removes or there was some people suggesting that you had a motor in Toro functioning. The honest it. Oh probably started. Hiring needs. Winston has absolutely terrible time just before the rice started on good night's with cuting siphoning X. Coming TASSIE say wasn't really in the framing lines be racing crosswinds the first time that ever really Rhody crossings and just took an absolute kicking in on the law stage beyond gave it to me. Said you're too fat to be professional cyclist and you don't have person was the second time. Then they said that to you off to the competent wants needs right. Yeah and even Human News. My director sportifs now said to Jonah. Said like this guy doesn't have any count even staying the bunch. They should get rid of me. I got given the key king and then I came back and and Brad McGee really took me under his wing ring. You gave me day by us out on the school and company really got me going while they attend up to mindy. I'm into the prologue Brad. Wholesome on the radio behind the CISCO Crashed straight over the barriers. You know didn't have the greatest opposite time. Trials enrollment is just one of those days that hurdle. The old rumors of this and that I didn't hear about the people started had entered in the black but ahead people said That they started me. And then there's another one that Brad McGee pace me on college. She's anyone knows it's no way in the world he to something like that but I think maybe wanting that might have happened was a win so that it probably did have more favorable wind but it was funny because one of the one of my teammates heading sky was with guest. Depan at the time and fees light had that conversation with him. He said Go onto that are cheated. What did I do I said too? I didn't do anything in the Andy. Took my word for people who are always going to question things. But as he cut showed The Sikhs Prologue. I think showed that I did have to credentials adults. I won the time trial before that baby. Jiro beating edgy on. Malory's Adid have a little bit of etiquette if people could have a look which with a lot of those people that make commits. They haven't really done their research anyhow. What had changed in the space of this month six weeks since something you said that brought the Gatewood Lot with you. I mean what were the key things I mean how? How heavy were you for? Example where you with a case of losing a couple of kilos and then beyond. It was satisfied or honest. I think I got back from power knee. Sag on the scale and it was sixty eight kilograms which compared to these hugh is pirating says about ten kilos mall. And that's the season as a neo. Par For the side of the world making moves somewhere and I wasn't really given any help other team. Let's just told that you have to leave here. That was really member had to hire feet. Pander drive with my three bags from Tuscany up to to Monica in that. Was You know those? No help from N es attain what it is and it'll it'll work out but it could just swell united Could have been backing. Tessie Waking non-fox the next to but I think what really changed me in that period was I was angry and I wanted to show them and US ready to fight. That was the big thing or is it a little bit more disciplined with the Diet and had trained harden and Co cliches. But that's really what it was just beat a bit of fire in the belly and then you get picked for you first. Gruntal Jiro Is it was a very experienced team and they sent the bathing cook. Gustav lost to certain since Sankar Nikki in a couple of others. I mean. What was you'll row supposed to be going into year. What do they want from you? There are all there was just to just to get through it. Really just use that first grand tours as a stepping stone and try and figure out what sort of a ride that was going to be. I mean those absolutely no pressure on me even from the get that team the stages Nissar Nsen. Was there just for the first two weeks to fill. These foam will helping the lakes in the toll site is a young inexperienced team as well as those Oda experience guys who would just hunting for full all stages really relaxed and you mentioned the. Good prologue. You took the White Jersey off the prologue. I think he got lost on the way back to the podium to try to to receive the white jerseys at right just may have stood out that Absolutely nurse Sense Direction. Obviously got that off my mother. She's saying but yeah had to go and get the the white chizzy and I got absolutely lost. Ause lucky that Sean. Yates who's got time so me riding around aimlessly in Stoughton. He gave me a lift back to the Party and presentation. An amendment was on Mother's Day Australia Party in presentation and I MSTISLAV ON TV. So members priced upset in. I was lucky to hold onto that Jesse for quite a long time after. I plenty mall parking presentations off to. It's the first week of that. Jury was quite eventful. I ten days there were some stages stages where time has one in Los than it was the famous states. Monta Chino in the white rose in the rain are pretty brutal day on the Ted Mountains finish but he was sort of you holding your own you were sort of finishing between ten and th place a lot of the time but can you remember You fell on this those first few days. I mean as you said you went thinking that you're going to be writing for DC. As that point I remember that the the stages off which has sent absolute light to fight every day and yeah I made it through member being involved in mass pile op with Christian Vanderbilt on round the somewhere in Holland and I think it was just a using hedges went there and rolled up slaves in and punched on gone with not just enjoyed it and had a bowl really and then I also remember the stage to Monta Chino. Never I mean. I'll never forget. That was one of the hottest days I'll probably ever have on a bike in his first year. With SISA BANK. He's picked for the jets d'italia the two thousand ten zero am started at. I'm Saddam the Jiro. Bradley wiggins won the prologue time-trial. It was team sky's fresh year. Their first GRUNTER as well and but it was a very an arc arc race Some fantastic stages stage seven over the the white Rhodes m one by CADEL Evans from allies under the new carafe was really one for the ages. I watched that one again recently. It's brilliant brilliant stage to watch and it did seem as if M. It was very chaotic. Very Archaic Edition of the Jiro. Shaping up wasn't a into a battle between Vinokourov. Who had the Pink Jersey Cadel Evans have been changed a nearly an Obama? Zo The next challenges. Vinokourov already had a minute and twelve over evidence going into this stage. Eleven but there was no real sense. What say that. The anyone was had a stranglehold on the race. It wasn't like You know astonishing unbeatable by any stretch so stage eleven. You know very difficult roads and prevent an opportunity for a real ambush. I mean it was It was an extraordinary stage. One of those days when you know third of the Peleton so our quarter of the pilot owner actually in in the break in the the guy with going up and up and up and The racial being completely turned on. Its head his looking at the. Eh Right book. What you saw was two hundred and sixty two kilns Daydream had you ever ridden Will race doubtful? Never Rice that fall but I remember that stage at the start of quite a big group that went but it was a member of the road. That's GonNa like. It was still beechman. Bit Really Bumpy. So we have to jump onto the gotta so we probably had you know like a Mehta decide and that's kind of how it was like a breaking bunch that was caused because it was hard but then it was like a star. I think kind of at the the jazz is going back out again. And this is a real disaster. The New Pearl Evans Basso Nibbling at our Jersey on the shoulders of Alexander Nucor off well at least until he rolls over the line. There are a whole group of other writers back in the hunt heavier. Tondo Carlos Sastre and Richie port a bit of an unknown quantity. Some of these bigger riders. Which he but. He's seemed to be so strong. It could climb maybe not a pure climate but he can climb pretty well more to the point. You can time Charlie. That must be Something to look out for Ritchie. Paul then takes over the Pink Jersey had w dot oil at one forty two kids loves. Get One fifty six tom to three fifty four annually. If you can get him an ancestor talk in the top eight seven minutes and nine seconds down. What an extraordinary day remember people saying that I got lucky to get the jazzy. But then I'll I remember like we go there. Sasser hurt one the toll to us before and these guys role there. I mean those a lot of fly power in that front move remember Zombie Came up to me. And he's riding with Sevilla and Next to him and he said you're GONNA BE THE PINK. Jersey ended the day because we already had sixteen minutes to sixty case. Something like this and then I did the Massey my head and it was two hundred case guy and you going to be such a hot day. It was already freezing My head was the the distance between the capital city. Taxi PA and at Launceston Donna. Rice The full earlier About remembered how much itself on that day and with the way the and the call on you that I just had to hold him to that group and take the Gysi. I just remember being super hot when when the break went and then they was that game chess behind you know cadel Bosso and all those guys that if and Vinokourov leukemia each other and none of them helping I think that communist pot maybe astonished missed it up and by the time that realized how much of this that might they couldn't they couldn't get packing The group that was in the Front Moore. He really well together. I mean we had some big firepower up there poolings well even when the teams got together and you know and and you know they didn't take that much time out of this anyway but you know it wasn't really until last said he case that. I really thought you know I'm GonNa take these Even to the day makes the hair We'd feelings. That was just one of the most incredible things that could have happened to me. So you wouldn't forty two ahead on DC that night. I think things started to turn take time for the West. Even that evening. Didn't yeah I remember that easing roommates law. Dhia said that I was like having Likes to sweating. United Life had had like a fever not SORTA. It was just one of those things as having exited muscle so much. That than are said to him You know you you sweating. And he looked at me and he said You don't look right Sorry had to come in and the doctor Kate me sit to these but yeah you obviously got something also write songs that I had a fever and went from being on top of the will to to hardly be able to sleep and at the good art gastro and to be honest. If I didn't have digital Probably wouldn't start the next day. I think the next day was probably one hottest days ahead on the bike just from United. I couldn't eight Alan a throwing up and and everything else that goes with guests. aren't going and having to having to hide while. I suppose for an competitive and I remember that the males one a female journalists there and she picked she said that to me Off to the stage in in the house are you. Are you know to pretend like you know it was good and everything was okay? But the few days after that Stage thank Put the bulk so much and they weren't you know that were a typical transition days in the way it was better that You know I didn't really have to exert myself. But then the lost had that juicy. I remember Scott excitable queuing up on the front of the climb and anew that that was the those GonNa lose the Jersey you know it was the most incredible days writing that Jersey and everyone on the side of the ride with you know screaming out Magliarella. Just one of the most incredible things you can have a dark riders to to wear latest Jersey Royo ended up holding on for a long time. At the was the top of the classification and at one stage looks real threat in terms of winning the race. I mean what were you thinking? The next few days you obviously had to had to stop Wondering about general classification unseen How long you could hang on. I mean do think the the illness affected you throughout the rest of the rice. Even when you you know in theory better to be honest like wants to Austin at a through and at that time doesn't away twenty minutes was gonna hold onto that about Arroyo he can pretty close to me he he wrote Magni magnificently for the rest of the rice. But some you know who may have had that Pizzas three days was awesome but then at the white and that was really when we had a great paddle at Ski Who is doing all sorts of crazy things? Like holding on the cost to to Rice against PALCA Muammar. Said that was put next priority was to try and take that just to to finish Like seven there In Verona is awesome but too far ahead of myself on you know what sort of a ride or is going to be but you know in the week off to when you everything kind of went crazy and getting all this from teams even though at a contract we sex ed for the next year. And that's kind of when it'll some Kane. Maybe I did have a future. As a professional record was rich poor on the stage that really announced him to the the world. I suppose he took the Pink Jersey. There are piles of said with Cadel Evans in two thousand and two but it was It was a remarkable stage. What was a pre extraordinary Chiro? A real sense that day that a lot of writers were were coming back into contention and one of the favorites. Who would eventually end up winning? Finished twelve minutes back day. Even Basso Yeah Right. She was fantastic. Jurisdictions stages where the recrimination loss for several days in the were lot after that stage I remember speaking and to Johnny Salvio off the woods on 'em he of course had McKinley Scarponi as his team leader. Salvia when other other people other riders of the teams as. Well felt that without the help or without the input of under Oni then liquid gas vassar would have would have lost the Jira that day would have forsaken chance to win the Jira because and there was this moment there was a long period of the race when astanin liquid seemed mystifyingly not to be moving and I mean liquid. Gas had four guys in the break so they had a good excuse not to really do much behind the break. Has the advantage went out? I think it went out to seventeen minutes at one. Point but astonishing lack of movement was quite was quite surprising to say the least and was never really adequately explained you know it could easily have turned into what we mentioned the other day. DidN'T WE ACT clarity. Who won the Swiss rider? Who won the Jaren? Nine hundred fifty four Raja while Kobe. Back and of course famously. Also in the fifties one the Toyota Front with the call literally be doing like a lucky break it could easily have turned into one of those and fact Davidoff Royal held on for a very long time and I remember later in the race. How impressed people were with him. In particular descending are member was this was exceptional and he was managing to make up recoup quite a long time on on the dissents and he gave the favorites and in particular who went onto win the race and nervous moments. Arroyo has also ridden extremely well on stage. I mentioned earlier. Stage seven hundred the white road stage which is a real a real battle and he was. He was one of the guys up there along with Marco penalty actually one of the four or five writers who were able to go with the vinokourov and Evans. Yeah one of the other. Riders in that Break Was Bradley. Wiggins finished fourth on the stage to lack wheeler and dragged himself. Back up into the talk ten after a few days where his his first grand tour. As Team Sky's leader had been unraveling a bit but it was a bit of a false dawn for wiggins. Because he didn't do very well in the rest of the mountain stages and was back in the world more or less agree peto on the stage finished fortieth overall and expose. That is where the pressure began to pile onto weekend. Showed us the expectation that all been built up in two thousand nine Firstly with a very promising C. is at the Jira and then of course fourth place at the Tour de France and he was going to go into the tour at skies leader but he even more by the end of the Jiro. Yeah it was. It was starting to look a little bit unlikely that he was Gonna be able to repeat his success from the previous year and just thinking about the legacy of that Jira for Ritchie pork chops. I mean for many years seventh-place he's finding position not Jira was his best finish in a grotto and he's only granted top ten in it struck me and it suddenly strikes me now but he was really cursed and damned by that while finishing position of seventh and Jerry really did set. Expectations are unrealistically high. And I mean. He's one of those riders. You can almost Europe Algorithm for a ride his career or a writer who is criticized for not attaining certain standards because of a performance early in their career or because on certain days they are better than guys who are winning grandchildren. And is exactly the case with Richie. Port had the seventh place which he he planted a flag there and then in the years thereafter he would have often. He would have days where he was a better climate than Christopher Room or even Alberta Continental Yvonne Bassett. Whoever it may be I think Richie himself as you know. We're going to post the the rest of the interview on the friends. Feed and Richie talks about. This cloud of Depth Ritchie. Never really fell that he was better than those guys and he was better equipped to win grand tools than those guys. But if you added those two things together the flying starts pro career and those flashes of absolute brilliance. It was easy to come to the conclusion that he should have been and it was. Somehow he's older he wasn't he wasn't achieving those results. Will you mentioned Daniel? The rest of your interview with Richie. Porte will be available to friends of the podcast. Will we hear little clip from that? Now is some talking about a writer. M who he became made some friends with a team sky. Chris from I think he's just mentally the toughest guy that there is a genuinely feel that this is no one in the Peleton even now. Who's mentally tough? What he means. He's not the easiest of out brings out of Kenya than south. Africa's I just think that that's probably the biggest thing that sets firm you PA from myself and and a lot of the guys. He's just he's he doesn't care what anyone says about him. Old People going you know has a good law when people were you know lying to him on the side. They're already sounded pretty funny. Whereas you know I guess that I kind of worry a little bit too much about what people see where sets. He's helps and that's what flies of you wars Tim. Ally of the isn't tried to absorb some of that income to the conclusion. It's pretty much whether it's genetic whether it's in its origins at deepen someone's upbringing in too late when you get your twenties thirties to change that kind of thing as any of it transmits use through. Most Cup. That killer instinct. You really douse on Monday. Like you said but you know. He's twenty full seven why the super competitive in assist how some people are. Maybe you know. He's he's upbringing Tough than than why unite cosy also laid out during the month at surfed. We grew up every weekend on the coast and really have to to worry for for anything worse. Yes he's he's he's had to fight. He's whole his whole life. We'll have little clip from the longer view. Richie available to friends. The podcast sign up at the cycling. Podcasts DOT COM. And don't forget you can also watch our first film there as well and so we wrote an face for all the reaction to that thing is time chops to hear from our good friend. Chiro SCOGNAMILIO DID RIM team with cheers medium. Or yes I know is climate. It's true but every rule has extraction mapping. This case the motivation is not a climb or stage. Montaigne degreaser is that I met him at Welte Casteel on two thousand seven. It was still not so famous one after the end this race and Gabe is telephone number after thirteen years is telephone. Number is still the same. Thanks beco these means to know how not change how to remain the same a condo in spite what Chiro said about not picking any climates Alabama console gets in purely on the basis that he's never changed his phone number in thirteen years. I'm not sure about that. Is a selection criterion. Least as team manager will be able to get hold of him whenever you need to talk tactics or any other important business not gonna go missing. That's why are better considered joins Saxo Bank in two thousand eleven and to block the path really for Ritchie Portland from simply the beyond recent. How these phone number for many many years and he hadn't changed their or I suspect that might have been more to it than those suspects shop. A second live correction of the podcast. Not Very well today. And I said even Basso Jared debut for chips in two thousand actually made his debut debuted in a few stages the year before for a resource. Scotty Nothing Scotty is. That's Roy yes. Result arise from result. I rushed to chips to to have reason gas cement. Actually Cement was an accident wonderful world the professional cycling anyway shops. We we should wrap things up for arrestee. I'm get back to some resting. What's coming up tomorrow? Well we've got on the course we've got time fantastic time trail mountain time trial. I've been one of those one of the most beautiful climbs in central Italy. We'll talk more about it tomorrow but it's another. It's another nod to as we said this theme from Rebirth on the earthquake in two thousand and sixteen. Seventeen this time and napalm surely tomorrow because we gonNA three. Surely you're going to be making a lovely. I'm pretty channel year. Well there's a bit of a Pasta Cook off actually tomorrow but the main feature in the episode will be an interview with Alex Dowsett. We're talking time trawling. And the Grand Tour Stage Win in two thousand thirteen zero four downstate which in its way signal. The end of Bradley Wiggins is a tool contender. Didn't he was defending champion He was going to the G to try and win it and it all went wrong from the time-trial on which even go. We'll be focused. We will focus on DIFESA and we'll maybe talk a bit but we maybe we'll all contemporary and talk about the current situation with Chris while who knows breaking our own cheeto rules until tomorrow Lionel. Thank you very much. Thank you Richard. Thank you thank you.

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Episode 161 - Huey Lewis

Sodajerker On Songwriting

51:25 min | 6 months ago

Episode 161 - Huey Lewis

"Hey folks welcome to episode one hundred and sixty one of the jacker on songwriting. This is Brian Hair is always with Simon. We sincerely hope you're all hunkering down and staying safe and well during this very strange and unsettling time for resolve. We've certainly never known situation like it. Nor have you our wager? But hopefully this episode will provide a welcome distraction for you and put a much-needed smile face joining us today. A Grammy winning oscar-nominated American singer Songwriter Musician and beloved front man of one of the most commercially successful pop rock bands of all time. They achieve nineteen top ten singles during the nineteen eighties early nineties and today's of salt something in the region of thirty million albums with delighted to welcome the wonderful. Huey Lewis to the show as this episode. Ritu bound recently released whether their first album in ten years. I original music since two thousand and one and we met with Huey at the MG officers in Paddington. London back in late February when the world was very difference. Talk about the record and a good deal more. Besides it was a real thrill to meet him and as you'll hear he was in good spirits. And the very gracious Interviewee Huey was born. Hugh Anthony Cragg the third in New York in Nineteen fifty but moved with his family to California around the age of five and grew up in the San Francisco Bay area. His Dad was a physician who moonlights to digest drama while his mother was an artist than a beatnik through whom he encountered the likes of Charles Mingas and Allen Ginsberg our guest attended boarding school and New Jersey where he was a bit of a maths Whiz by all accounts following which at his father's encouragements he took time out to hitchhike across the US then stowed away on a transatlantic flight to Europe where he goes on street corners with his harmonica and gigged with pickup bands. When you shows of money he was back in San Fran. By the end of the sixties he briefly attended Cornell University to study engineering but left at the end of the seventies without completing his studies as a teenager in the late sixties he gravitated more towards soul music arm bay than the PSYCHEDELIC music scene and in nine hundred seventy to join the bay area band clover. Adopting the stage name of Huey Lewis with a slightly different spelling in nineteen seventy six. The bomb was spotted playing in La by our former guest. Nick Lowe who persuaded them to move to the UK where they arrived in the middle of the area managed by Jake Riviera and Dave Robinson of stiff records. The band recorded two albums for Phonogram in England with producer Robert Mutt Langa while members of clover also performed on. Elvis Costello's debut album. My aim is true. Meanwhile Huey befriended thin lizzy frontman Phil Linens and playing. On that band's legendary live album live and dangerous. Having failed to make a splash there couple of records clover despondent upon their return to California in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Huey. Assemble these next bond including bassist. Mario Cipollini and Saxophonist Johnny Cola while playing a residency at a club in Marin county there were originally called Huey Lewis and the American Express and eventually secured at the Christmas but not before the label insisted on a name change so Huey Lewis and the news was following the recruitment. Petar Chris Hayes. The band released their parliaments debut in nineteen eighty but it was with their second album picture. This and breakthrough single. Do you believe in love at their. First Chart Successes. God I always wanted to be. That Petar player was his nickname. The kid that's right. Yeah our magic being called the kid them running around and white trainers planned salvos all night. What more could you want? The band truly hit pay with their third album sports. It's up the billboard charts yielded four top ten singles including the heart of rock and roll. And if this is it and remains the best-selling pop albums of all time. Huey and Co achieved fair the success with two songs on the soundtrack one thousand nine hundred five blockbuster movie back to the future one of which the power of Love was number one and nominated for an Oscar. He also cameo in the movie. Of course he did indeed. It's so indicator of his profile. At this point that Huey was also one of the artists to sang on the one thousand nine hundred five charity single. We are the world. I think you've signed a part that was intended for Princeton. That's correct yeah. I'm prince didn't show up so here we go to d-print further success came with their fourth studio album for another chart topper which spawned two number ones in stuck with the on the Bruce Hornsby penned Jacob's ladder nineteen eighty eight. Small world was another platinum record the title track arguably one of their finest. In my opinion I would agree. All the solid albums include hard play the covers album full codes and several years ago plan B and a second covers album souls. Ville here is also dabbled in acting appearing movies like jets and Robert Altman's shortcuts as well as I saying the role of Billy Flynn in Chicago on Broadway in two thousand and five. Speaking of musicals is currently working on his very own Huey Lewis and the news based theatrical production. The hearts of rock and roll to hear a selection of tracks from across hueys recording career. Check out spotify playlist for this episode. Which you'll find on Hueys page at so dejected. Dot Com slash podcast. Keep up to date with his. And the band's latest news at Huey Lewis and the news dot COM. You can also follow them. Facebook DOT com slash Huey Lewis and the news at Huey Lewis News on twitter at Huey Lewis and the news on instagram. You can find us as always at so dejected. Dot Com facebook dot com slash. So Jake an Aso jacket on twitter and Instagram. If you knew to the we encourage you to check out our ever-growing archive of songwriter interviews and subscribe on your favorite podcast platform. So you never miss an episode. The dose will be a great help to US. Give us a nice review and a five star rating just before we continue. We'd like to thank Greg for his help. Set up the interview and also to Rohan. Bmg for his assistance on the day. Okay now it's time to sit back and enjoy our chat with the one and only Huey Lewis. Do you remember when not sold future art. What a time short. Let's joking too. Hearing grupp Slough delighted to get to see you. We love whether we think it sounds fantastic. Thank you well. I'm really glad to be here. So thanks for having me while will young. It's just a lovely sounded song isn't it? Yeah I love that song kind of one of the first ones we put together. You know. It's an expression in America while we're young if somebody's taking your picture and they're taking too long. Usaa while we're young but it's written about growing old obviously by a guy who's not that young but he's not that old either and you cut some of the vocal home. I think I did we. We the originally John Pierce our bass player and I wrote the song in my living room and then Johnny put another part to it but I sang in my living room. We like something about that. So we we pinched some of that and put it on the master and was the rest of it. Kind of assembled remotely. Yeah sort of once we got the track in our studio guitar came in and played and did it but we didn't all play at one time on that. Now right be unusual for you. We've made records all kinds of ways. You know made a soul record souls Ville where we captured everything completely live and real ambient ways and then we've also made records where we cut and paste and use machines and stuff so there's no right or wrong that the Song Kinda tells you how wants to be handled. I think yeah. I think most of the songs were written quite a while ago. Is that right true Yeah my hearing crash two years ago and we had seven songs. That's why there's only seven I lost my writer thirty three years ago. Let lost my left ear about two years in a month ago. And I can't hear music anymore to to sink to because it's cacophony for me distorts and resonates and goes crazy. So it's it's horrible. The good news is it does fluctuate once in a while and can get little better and when it's better like one to ten on it's a six which is as good as it's been in two years. I'm okay with hearing aids and the technology and maybe even could sing again but I haven't been six and stable long enough to find out And that's the bad news hearing story but that's why there's only seven songs on the record. We were sort of compiling as we went along. We had seven things in the Kellyanne. I lost my hearing. You know we waited for a while to see if I could regain it and when I couldn't we We signed a release the songs to the fans. You not the fist guest. We've had to struggled with their hearing. K T tunstall the Scottish singer Songwriter. Okay she lost hearing in one ear as well. I'm Patty Makalu. From the bomb prefab sprout eat had many years as well see almost always the hearing loss with many years. One side one air and one ears. No problem I lost my right ear thirty three years ago after several vertigo bouts with years between them and my father was a doctor who sent me to a renown. Emt My right ear. Felt like I got out of the swimming pool and it just was stuffed up and he said well get used to it. I said what did you say? I'm musician I'm a singer I. He's Brian Wilson had one ear Jimi Hendrix. Had One ear. Says I have one ear and I'm in a barbershop quartet. You only need one ear and you do. You'll need one but I don't even have one. That's my problem is killing me is another one from back in the day. Is Chris Hayes? Chris as and I wrote that. Song embarrassingly probably twenty years ago and we never got a right. We just couldn't get it right. We tried it and didn't work and then we played it live and it didn't work and we tried some hybrid version where we started with a drum machine and halfway through the whole band busted in. That didn't work. We abandoned the song and now three years later we were at a rehearsal and we just started playing it and it just fell together and lessen their which is the simple songs. They're the hardest ones to get right. They're not allowed to cords to help you. It's all about the tempo and the feel and the moment you know and we got it right. Finally I'm picking relievers. Every night is killing me. Sometimes it takes a lot of patients with songs nate. You have to wait for that right. It isn't like playing live at all. Making a record is a technological consideration You have to make sure you're you know you got all the buttons pushed. Does that mean that might be other great songs that you just haven't quite found a home full yet that you've been holding onto for a long time now I got a couple of ideas but nothing fully formed. Yet we have a Broadway show a musical. There were hoping planning to bring Broadway next season. We've just partnered with a Tony Award winning producer Hunter Arnold who produced hagerstown which won all the awards and musical of the year last and so very excited about that and I wrote a new song for that. While we're young is in that show as well and I wrote another new song with Jani. Coa for the show called. I WanNa be someone that's The centerpiece of that show. But I've just been worrying about my hearing and trying everything I've been to everywhere. I've tried chiropractic acupuncture low salt organic diet. No Caffeine no chocolate. I've into the House Ear Institute Stanford Institute Mayoclinic Talk With Steve Rouse from Harvard Medical School. None of this stuff works. I'm really trying to get my hearing back. But in the meantime I try to stay creative and keep busy so I don't have to think about it if that makes any SASSAMAN will. There's still a warm sense of humor on this record. We thought songs like remind me while of you again. The sleep number beds good. I'm surprised see so much of our stuff is so American. Sleep number bed you know. We're young one of the boys. These things are like Americanisms in a way I mean I'm amazed that they resonate with anybody outside of our country so I'm just happy that it happens you know And those sorts of things. Would you write those down during the writing process and just keep hold of lands? You think might be funny for a song or we should in fact. That's a good idea. But I don't I don't do any of that. I just I wait for the idea to come and then I write the song. I don't save anything. I don't keep anything I mean. That's not quite true. I have some notes stuff around. I probably have some cassette tapes and and I got a few things on my phone zing and into my phone gas but not not many couple two three and then the song that you cova pretty gals every way you really nail low fifties vibe with those backing vocals. Don't use kinda sounds like the coast is to US okay. Eugene churches the the artists and the story it where I got it was in eighty eight or eighty nine we were. Our tour was sold out in America and the agents said to me. Who Do you like to open? I said let's get the Neville brothers so he did and sure enough. We did a national tour the Neville brothers and we kind of fell in love were. I always loved the now brothers but we jammed every night on stage and made friends with them and at the end of the tour Aaron Neville came up to me and he said to call pretty girl there. Well by Eugene Church I said no man he said man. You need to do that tune. I said what you need to do is right up your alley okay. And then he sent me the seven inch vinyl of it and I didn't even play I just stashed it somewhere and I found it like three years ago and played it when. Oh my gosh. She's right and so we cut it and I told Aaron about it and he's he was pleased everywhere I go. Ooh Ooh girl pretty but you never really let go of that sort of Doo wop style even when you were making all those very very popular records so like naturally and we all we all sing. So why not and. Johnny does our vocal arrangements. Johnny Cola is the vocal arranger for us. That's his thing. So you know Sean Sayings. Billy sings is saying Johnny States and it's kind of a return for us also our soul music records didn't have as much background vocals sports at a lot of background. But if this is it like these kinds of things and you know people like that so we try to do that a little bit on this record yeah interesting. How very the album is stylistically. Especially for such a short record. You Cram a lot different things in like one of the boys. For instance treads kind of country territory. What was the story behind the song? Yeah I'll tell you the story I mean it is very and record. Companies always hated that about you. Know they always say you got a narrow focus but you know. Sports is all over the map too so I think that's just kind of the way it is with us you know and I think if the song rings true than it works. I don't know that's what I hope that Song One of the boys was inspired by a producer. Called Dave Cobb in Nashville is a great producer and We mutuel France. We had lunch and he said he liked me to try and write a song for Willie Nelson which was amazing. You know me right for Willie. Nelson rewrote crazy. Wow and even kind of pointed me in the right direction but I thought nothing of it but I woke up a couple weeks later with the whole song in my head and I got with Jani. We demoted up and we send it to him and he loved it but never got the Gig so I thought well there. We go but our drummer Bill Gibson said. I think we should do it. He says I think it's great for you. I said really and then I played it listening to it is to see whether or not I thought it was. You know in our ballpark. And I realize that the lyric which I'd written for Willie Nelson as if I was Willie Nelson was actually my life story. Great Pedal Steel. I'm not want as well. John mcphee on pedal steel from the now with newbies. Who was from clover and I just sent it to him because we didn't have steel on it initially and I said let's put a pedal steel on it. I called him up. He says Sheer Senate down. I send it down to him and he cut me two tracks a he was unbelievable. I told him play one. Just play everything. You can't fill every hall and do another one as if you were tastefully accompanying me and what you think is correct. And that's all I need to tracks and I said and I don't Wanna lap steel but I don't want that real sophisticated pedal steel sound the jazzy thing. He's I know what you want. He said Cross between Bakersfield and William Senior. And that's what it is about mcphee's a tremendous musician and a really good friend and he. Yeah he woke the song boy play with my friends music dance and so on down the road ahead another another show making beautiful noise me and the boy. It's a beautiful noise just one of. Oh Boy Burn. We had Nicolau on the podcast that one points. That's our only clova connection so far. I think yeah I think so. We had one of his biggest fans. And you know mcphee is the one who plays the lead guitar on Elvis. Costello's my aim is true right. Yes you know the Beautiful Little Guitar Phil Yet. That's also John mcphee. Who Played The pedal steel? He's such a great musician and nick is a great songwriter. And you know in a wonderful guy although he has a very American sensibility music wise. He's so British. Yeah so British. Nick and for the life of me. I don't understand why he's not a huge star in this country Britain is pretty unkind to own time. And you know what I mean and Philip. Lenin was the same way it's interesting But I mean Britain's should be very proud of of Niccolo. He's a he really is a treasure. Yeah we love no absolutely We also funds of the soul of early new wave kind of songs. You know like some of my lies a true and right shoveling paradise. Yeah Yeah Yeah well. If I was in clover clover came over here. Nick was slotted to produce but punk hit the day. We arrived and all bets. Were we were a long haired country band in the middle of punk and we were managed by Dave Robinson Jake Riviera and they both immediately partners on Elvis Costello stiff records the damned wreckless Eric. Bom and it was off but the exciting part for me was the stance. The punks add wasn't so much musical for me because I've always liked the same music I've always liked. But you know clover spent all our time grooming ourselves to be attractive for record labels and these guys were thumbing their noses the record labels and say we don't care singing. Her own songs are away and I said that's what I'm GONNA do. This band ever breaks up. I'M GONNA go back to Marin County I'm GonNa go to the light my little club. I'm going to ask him for Monday nights. I'M GONNA surrounded with my mates now. I'M GONNA sing every song and the band's going to have a little more saxophone and a little less guitar and be Kinda R&B based that's what I did The so focused a logically those songs that won't they like. Do you believe in low Friday. There's not a wasted moment in those songs. You know what I mean just well. Yeah I mean those are the time to a radio world. There was no youtube. There was no internet. You had to have a hit single or you're in the game so we insisted on producing ourselves because we wanted to make those commercial choices ourselves. Nineteen eighty two. We were an unknown band producing ourselves. That just didn't happen but our manager fought for it and Christmas. Fortunately was six thousand miles and couldn't control us and so we produce picture this do believe in love which I got from Mutt. My friend and you know one of greatest record producers who ever lived and a great songwriter and I rewrote the the lyric. The theory was do the best eight songs we can write. And the best to outside once and do you believe in level was a hit. Kind of a tickle but it only really was break even hit so sports was the record that really had sell us through and we really needed to hit single and so we aimed every track right at radio and we know we needed to hit. We didn't know we're going to have five or six of them. Did you tweak about the lyrics? Do you believe in love Well I changed it. It was called. We both believe in love Rice. The course was completely different. It was different sentiment. 'cause that course is just on deniable isn't a guy. Well Matz great writer too. I mean he doesn't miss. I mean he wrote all the DEF leppard stuff and he wrote all the Shi'ite Twain an AC DC produced all that they don't come any better than obviously the blues essential to music especially through the harmonica plan we wanted. Did you ever use that as a right into the harmonica or is it always a kind of a finishing CH- mostly finishing touch? Yeah blue sermon. I mean a lot of it's been done. I mean little Walter Sonny by Winston. Wow you know. And so I look for a way to be original a little bit so I use less amplification generally and then I also like to just play melodic lines like George Harrison. I try and think of myself as George Arison night. That's what you mean. Yeah of the George Harrison of Armani. He always surprised US how much shift the blues was still in those records. You know the organ plane and the Hawks playing well. That's you're very perceptive and that's it. I mean we use Hammond organ you know. How many records use Hammond organ? I mean very rarely and not a sample. He's a real Hammond organ. You can hear the last and that makes a difference is pushing air. Yeah so yeah I mean those. Are the choices you make. I guess it's subtle but but it's their songs like bodies Botin working for eleven and heart of rock and roll the kind of blues. They might succeed as pop songs. Don't they well? Yeah that's right. And and the Gimmick there the trick is not really trick is those songs are really old blues songs. But they're cut as contemporary as one thousand nine hundred eighty two got with drum machines. Bad as bad as these. These two and those are at Linn Drum high-tech her own right and harder rock and roll. Is I mean? I don't give away the secret but it's sequenced. Yeah it's cut to machine. Yeah and the overdubbed played do a machine. We wanted that little edge that little contemporary edge yet. And that's how we cut this record as contemporary as we we're contemporary nineteen eighty up as a minute. Maybe three well. It kind of reminds me how How prince around the time so to eighty-three with one thousand nine hundred nine blending organic instruments on the lendrum where he was even more ninety nine has no base. Yeah I mean you know he was radical for as what artist and I mean. Well you know we were just trying to nineteen eighty. I believe or seventy nine. We heard that some guy called Roger. Linn had just caros drums in a box. We say what yeah? It's it's a machine and his drum I said what do you mean? It's it's a chip? What's a chin? What we what we heard about this thing called a drum machine. That people were using on their records. I always love them harder. Rock and roll for the travelogue. You know the different cities that you mentioned. I think that's kind of a trick. A lot of songwriters of used to get people on board with the song. Yeah WHEN IN DOUBT SHOUT CITIES. It's a good lesson. James Brown did it as well rounded. Did it Chuck Berry did it? It's you know to be shout cities in Canada battle Ru Homa city San Francisco music anymore. Did they say a off? Think him lyrically. Most of the songs tend to be. So it's a fastened rather than kind of inventing characters is a song right sister true and and you know I have very few creative regrets but I do have one. And that's that would be hip to be square which originally wrote in the third person he to be a renegade used to fill around but he couldn't take the punishment had to settle down mental articulated phenomenon quite common in the eighties of these Bohemian types from the sixties dropping back in becoming Bourgeois bozen Paradise David Brooks book articulated that and by the way so did American cycle actually sure same kind of an idea but I thought it would be funnier if I told him I myself right. I used to be a renegade and unfortunately some people thought it was like an anthem for Squire people. It was never intended to be well. I guess you thought Bay area background. Didn't you the Hippie culture that you came up and see? I thought people would take that for granted. My hip card has been punched. My mom was was hit. I come from hippies. You know I figured my credentials work safe but on that I know I guess that's kind of one of the great things about songwriting. Isn't it that you know your intention with song might be completely different from how people take? They don't sleep. That is a really really good point. And that's something. They're always remember because songs are kind of gifts. You know the idea comes songs need to be about something and generally you get this idea and you go got it but now you gotta actually realize it without blowing it and that's hard to do because it gets out of control sometimes and you got to reel it back in and you do your best job of that that you can to get it to where you think it's good as you can get it and then some of them just get up and fly and some of them just lay there dead and there's no reason to it as far as I can figure out what Brian was saying about prints maybe think of small world this well because I think that song has those qualities. Doesn't it very atmospheric courts and what sounds like a sequenced base. It is a sequence base. I it's kind of a experimental song as well like the second pass as embassy. Wild part standards is sax. Solo is the best piece of Music. That we've have on tape 'CAUSE OF GETS. I mean He. I could tell you we you know we could talk about how he plays. Yeah well it's just a lot with. Let's go there. I mean by the way we're talking about small world which after sports and four you know we sold millions of records and all this stuff and I said that we wouldn't do anything for commercial reasons anymore. I figured we needed to stretch out. We had to explore these other rhythms and other kinds of songs. And all that stuff so that was the idea. It was by the way selected as rolling stones worst album of the year. But we got stand gets to play on. My father was a Jazzar and when zoot Sims died there was a benefit at a little club in San Francisco and my old man said zoo died. And there's a benefit. It's going to be unbelievable Jimmy. John's trio gets and other people are coming said. It'd be great so unbeknownst to him. I got two tickets and I surprised him. I said Pop. So we're GONNA go to the zoot Sims benefit. Oh man that's great that's great. He had never seen me perform yet. My Dad always thought that what I did was kind of like. He called it. The funny hat routine is he was a Jazzar and every jazzman in one song they do a comic deal where they put funny hats over there mutes and stuff. He thought all of rock and roll was the funny at. He didn't reckon it anything more than that and he had never seen me perform and we were starting to happen. So I get these two tickets and we'd go down to. I guess it was. What's now Kimble's the jazz club and were there early? And Oh my gosh they say Huey Lewis. Great to have you here and my dad's going. Wow these people are paying attention to my son. That's amazing and then they walk us down to our seats which it's very small place. We're right in the middle on the isle third row. These two seats in gentlemen sitting right there already is Phil. Ellwood the jazz critic for the San Francisco. Chronicle whose of great renown jazz critic and my. Oh Man knows all the jazz people you can tell you everybody and Jimmie Lunceford Span. Everybody in chick. Webb's Band Ernie lockjaw Davis zoot Sims and Cudi Williams. And everybody you know. Billy strayhorn the arrangers all that stuff and he knows. Phil Elliott and Phil ellwood goes. Oh my gosh. It's Huey Lewis Man. Great to me my old man's going what he knows. Who Kid is so now. My Dad's sits next to fill ellwood and they are going on like a house afire about different bands and who played drums with WHO and he knew some of these cats and talk about. They're having a ball and I feel a tap on my shoulder and I turn around and it's gets and he's got his horn on and he goes eight YOU LOUIS. I said Yeah. He's my girlfriend. Wants to eat your shorts BUBBA. Well he says. Why don't you let me plan some your shit? This is you know I can play that shit too as well. Yeah I suppose you're GonNa and he gave me a little card that says have sachs will travel and On the ride home mile man says if you don't take him up on that I will never ever forgive you. The man has cancer. He's not going to be around. That long mailman was radiologists in new those circles and he says you know this is a once in a lifetime thing so we struggled to find a song that gets could play over and Chris came up with small world and so when we had small world we had the song and I sent it gets and he came up and played on it. I split the song up into which I shouldn't have done. I should've left it in one. The we edited it for a single. It was a five minute single and it broke a string of twenty top ten singles that we have never cracked the top twenty but it is the best piece of music. I believe that we've ever had on record. And it's represented on smaller small world part two but it was such a lesson such a music lesson watching him do it and play it. I get chills when I hear it. Yeah it's wonderful track him you talk about that zone of hits. It's amazing really because we grew up in the air of four and power love of course that song in particular power. Love it so omnipresence. Isn't it even to this day? We hear all the time I think to an extent you can kind of forget. What a great piece of music. It is well Sure that sweetie to say you know. I don't know all I know about power love I remember is that you know because again. We're producing the records ourselves so we're trying to get them done and we're doing and I remember seeing the vocal in studio city and the record plant and those days were recording with analog tape so we only had twenty four tracks and one was for seventy so he only had twenty three tracks so he had to be judicious about your tracks. So what you cut a vocal was GONNA sing three times and then you comp it to one track pick whichever wins the best one and then go down till there was a mistake and then you have a contract and then you erase those three tracks so now you only have one track. So I'd Sung vote when I came back in and I calmed down. And then I just played it to listen to the COP vocal the rest of the Vogel and I was engineered by myself. And Sean Hopper Kinda came in the control room our keyboard player and backing me and the thing played down. I'm just listening to the vocal. Listen to listen to it and vignettes. Okay mom and when it finish hopper said that's the best thing we've ever done and I went well really I hadn't even considered you know what it was. Yeah Yeah it's good you really as I mean I. It's a classic. Never know that though. You know it's one of those songs that just got up and flew and you know thank God I mean. That's a gift that's just a gift. Did it start with Chris Hayes not one without vamp yeah? Chris had a little progression. Which was the verse progression? And then I had a meeting with Steven Spielberg Bob's zemeckis neo canton and Bob Gale. And they said look. We've just written this film and the lead character's Mardi MC fly and his favorite band would be Louis. How about writing a song for the film I said? Wow that'd be great. I mean a flattered. I don't know how to write for film necessarily frankly. I don't quit fancy writing a song called back to the future. No problem just the next thing you rights and down to us we just want one of your songs is what they said. I said okay. We'll I'll send you the next thing I write and I had these various progressions on that little piece of music of Christmas and I put it on a Walkman and I went on a little run. It hit me and I was kind of inspired by my kids and I wrote it in one sitting and then I think I sang it on the demo. And send it to Bob's America's it gets a little unclear here because I thought we just send the too many loved it but some Mecca says the one I sent it to him. He thought it was an up enough and he told me. And I said okay well because the verses in a minor key in so I mentioned that to johnny and Johnny had an idea and he put up the bomb bump those three chords stabbed his yet and then they loved it. That's how we did it. One of the things I think is most special about that. Song is is actually the bridge. That's Christmas bridge is beautiful courts. Yet will Rick Rubin once said if the bridge isn't the best parts of the song that shouldn't be a that's interesting and that song sort of exemplifies the I think it's so great songs have great bridges. Yeah and that's where a lot of songs fall down there. Good but got no bridge and they disappeared in the nineties. I think that's why eighty songs are still popular. Because they follow that formula for an American popular song which is Verse Chorus Verse Chorus Bridge Chorus. Out or course out And everything's in fours for the most part three four four four eight bars or you know in fours and that's the way it's done. It's like Haiku trying to reinvent the wheel. That's what you're trying to do too remember Kennedy when it comes to in time. I noticed that one's much more specific in terms of the film. You mentioned Dr Enlightening. Yeah you know Did you have a script something we have done? It love power love. They finish the movie and they hastily said. We need another song for the credits. I said well. Yeah okay. I'll give it a so. I rewrote the movie. You know and and shots progression and I and we got together and wrote it in a few hours so the guitar riffs and the brass riffs which of intertwine on that song. Yeah would you have a hand in that? Would you be in those parts and Rice? We all have a hand in everything and when I say that I really our drummer. Bill Gibson is just the drummer. But he's got unbelievable. Here's a great musician and everybody in our band has got great here. So we it kind of collectively. Yeah you know. We're all there and you say. Oh what if this? What if that but Johnny pretty much writes the horn chart and then we say Johnny about that fourth bar or whatever you know. And that's the way that goes I mean. He's the horn department in the vocal department. Billy's rhythm section but we all run over each other. Yeah everything seems to have. Its right place on those records doesn't like the way that guitars were stuck with you. For example nothing. So it's about the place. Oh yeah yeah yeah well probably the most important part of our records is Bob. Clermont new mixes them. I mean he's spectacular mixes everybody from the Rolling Stones. Bruce Springsteen I mean you know it's amazing how good he is and we've gotten very good because we made lots of records. We can mix our own records but we can't get near. Clermont for some reason. Well it's always been amazed that you guys produced those albums as well. He sounds so pristinely with with the shoe and there was a guiding hand. You know we wanted to make those commercial choices ourselves. You know. You're going to have to live within models of do it yourself and we'd learned you know. We went spring chickens. I'd been around done. Sessions here worked. Philemon at work with Nick Lowe Dave. Edmunds you know. I'd done a few things so we were confident. We had Clermont in the mix it so yeah we produced it ourselves. I think you'll ear for melody specifically is important though because even the song she didn't write something like Jacob's ladder for example. Imos feel great to have those awesome. Yeah Oh yeah. Oh Jacob's ladder. You know. I produced three songs on. Bruce Hornsby's I record and you know he didn't need a producer but we had fun doing it and I wanted him to do Jacob's ladders one of my favorite songs. But he wrote it a different way completely different arrangement and I want him to do this arrangement and he didn't get he said you do it so okay. I'll do it and we did it and it was. It was and it was. I told him I said Bruce. I told you to find you. Kinda still have ideas for songs on a regular basis or drilling needs to be prompted by something. I'll have a project to work on I I still get ideas you know. I used to get ideas on a regular basis. But I'm anything but prolific. I'm not like my pal Niccolo. Hammer them out right but you just you've got to have an idea you know. And I think the way to have ideas be receptive to them to be around instruments and all that stuff and be thinking about songs in music. Since I lost my hearing I don't think about that. Struggling to hear pitch you know it just depresses me so much. Can't you play one note on a piano and it's out of tune with itself? Just horrible I go so I I think about other stuff. You know the musical or whatever but having said all that there's lots of people out there way worsen I am. I still have a lot to be grateful for all in all. I'm unlucky guy important that I remember that. It's not easy. But it's important you one of the all time greats to wait so thank you so much for doing. This has been great to get to say von chatting with your boys. Thank you choose to That was Huey Lewis token to us at the offices in Paddington Water. Great Guy Yeah as we said at the top of the show it was just such a thrill to meet. Yeah and when you revisit those albums really realize that. He and the band that just pop craftsman of the highest order. Oh absolutely I don't think they get anywhere near enough credits for the quality of the songwriting on those records that musicianship and of course you know. What a sensational singer. Oh I mean not voice. It's just one of those voices die so even and powerful and just the tone and everything is perfect like he listened to something like this bad and he hits that line where he sings sometimes and just the sort of uniform tone of the way here compelled that out and still have it sound. Good just blows me. All Right is absolute must. They're still scientific on. The new record can only keep your fingers crossed one day. He's able to return to the live stage and gracious with that voice. Uma Definitely Going back over. Some of the old attracts that he didn't write like Jacob's ladder. And do you believe in loaf? Now it's thrilling to wasn't it? Oh absolutely you know. And the Mo Langa I mean working with him at such a crucial juncture must have been really big influence on here. He's kind of melodic sense or to be. I would say and of course I couldn't let the interview go by without talking about my favorite movie of all time back to the young. Yeah I mean what can you say I mean we both just? We kind of grew up on that movie than we We say that don't we? It's true these people are the solve hallmarks of culture that we grew up watching thou definitely Yemen going. See that for a sixth or seventh birthday party. A group of us from primary school went to watch. I saw it on my seventh birthday here. Yeah you know it's it's pure fantasy stuff. I is an IT really. And they're going to the songs. I always loved how specific he gets in that back in time. Yeah it really sort of said he retold the movie he you know you can hear him talking about the different characters. He mentions dog actually mentioned Marty at one point. Those nieces get back Marcy. Yes it has yet which I always took to be a maybe a Beatles reference. Oh Yeah Yeah. I think it's a get back. Joe Joe Moments isn't it and it was quite unusual. It wasn't in There were setting challenges mainly Hueys. Obviously from pretty bad here in las at the moment so You know there was a little bit of repeat and raise. Our voices let allowed. We normally would. Yeah and you know. We've obviously we've tied up the episodes a little bit so what people don't have to hear that it was kind of shocking. Wasn't it because you know when you know someone is being such a great kind of singer and performer? And Music experts. And then you face to face with them talking on the literally con here. And even when you know it's it it's it's definitely a little bit disconcerting yet Because he has good days and bad days and on the day we met he was having a particularly bad day so as I say it was a challenge still tremendous phone. Yeah and then Towards the end the came up to me said him at the thing is guys. I've always been a shitty listener but now I've got an excuse. Yeah that was great and also it's not every day you end up getting filmed for a Huey Lewis documentary of course. Yeah the filmmaker kick. Kenny was there. I don't know if you've ever seen these Zachary book you made this absolutely masterful documentary several years back about a really tragic story that he was kind of bound open and he walked in carrying a camera and film to whole interview. Was part of this documentaries making about here so I don't know the final coats but I hope so. Yeah I mean that was pretty crazy because I remember you. Give me A. There's actually on a DVD like years ago about ten years ago right. Yeah I was definitely to share that film. It's a rarity really striking movie. Yeah maybe he wants to watch in the in the current climate. You might want something a little bit more lighthearted. Yeah yes save that one for the host. Cova date yet absolutely. So thanks to Huey thanks again to Greg and to run weather is available everywhere now so go check it out. It's vintage Huey Lewis and the news. We think you'll rarely if you're found the band maybe best if you stream for now. Yeah Yeah don't WANNA be heading down to your local record shop to you poor dope anyway. Okay so we hope you've enjoyed this first covert cast and we'll be back soon with another great guest. In the meantime stay say look after each other and will be with you very soon take care bye bye bridge.

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2019 Tour de France Stage 16

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2019 Tour de France Stage 16

"You can figure it out like and these little pocket rockets like Gavin dish and Caleb you and also Vivianne. He's packed in their tight so it's a cab I will say Cav was like I think he's the one who's who started did not want to call it a trend but he was the first of the pocket rockets all right everybody welcome back to the move podcast. I'm Lance Armstrong sitting next to J. B.. Hager Mr Modo king himself Georgian Capi and a special guest today who was going to read our Rhode I- deter trivia contests we'll get to that. We are talking about stage sixteen from well. I I got the rest stake. Oh that is a great point because it in our <hes> our babysitter tiffany <hes> stressed this morning. I think she's right that the rest day feels like it's a week long like it feels like it's been a week since we've done this show but it hasn't but the rest day was resumes in Nem so I would be and I think legends at <hes> the Pencil wearing coming from this town <unk> doom him when he went to legend. That's amazing in states. Sixteen was from neem to Neem steetch seventeen is named named to name one big loop one big hot and Wendy loop. I thank you alone. He took me yesterday was on the Moto yesterday by the way because we're going to when we get to business here in a second corrode idea. I mean even for that sport. I mean this high country. Dirt bike. Riding is super sketchy George Dude et Cetera on instagram yesterday. I've never seen you that nervous man. I was and I was like damn. He is nervous yeah but Qatar you guys went to do. I mean you went on. What's high country writing so we start here at eight? Thousand would get up to like eleven on on dirt bikes on Molitor's was on a k._t._m.. To fifty on my k._t._M.. Three fifty there was about eight of us. How often do you do never done it before is on a borrowed K._T._M.? To fifty <hes> sheriff was kind enough to tell me I was GONNA end up in the emergency right before <hes> so. How often do you ride motorcycle oversight slow so nervous never never but I had a great time I was <hes> we're just trying to keep up with? It wasn't my idea. This guy never rides motorcycles and you're taking them out talk to Jimmy Johnson. Who is the first time in our thirty year history that has man is ridden pass Asmat downhill on something with two wheels you're does he does the north haired lining and now this burns like no days? He's he's going out there on his. We had a very I had a very full did a great the Aspen Valley Ski Club in the morning that fifty mile ride my son joined Jimmy Johnson joined got back and then went begging with these guys for four hours quite quite the day or you soar very sore. He's trying to knock me off my artist Reggie for pre fifty all right so in in another news <hes> states sixteen took me sixteen stages to actually predict the winner which is I'm really happy about but I'm also pretty embarrassed about two days ago which again felt like a week go Caleb U._N.. All five foot four of him. You think he's done growing. I what I found really funny today was like He. He's a lot more efficient today in the spring because he called his friend very inefficient so he actually Kayla Diet listen to rear wheel. Inefficient didn't come out pretty good yeah. He doesn't eat tips on sprinting before we get to that. Let's <hes> let's take a little business. I I just touched on Road I._D.. Today's show is brought to you by road I._D.. What what what an idea I mean? Why didn't we think of this idea? I think is a better question like when you're out riding on the road or the trail and anything it can happen right now out on the on the road you can incidents with cars just just crashes accidents and you're not always guaranteed to be conscious and so the first people there need to know all this critical health information in contact information who to call <hes> <hes> who to reach out to not just nine one one but it also blood type and just things like that that you WanNa know and and I as I said I mean the sport of what we were doing yesterday. I mean people get really messed up. Ed Ed in your in the team over road idea. I think we're missing and a little segment there so I think we go <hes> any sport. That's risk in your potentially on your own when you're out there alone and somebody's GonNa find your knocked out. You'RE GONNA want them to know this cross my mind many times yesterday when you guys you're like me good job man. I'm impressed. Yes very impressed and also obviously we read about it. Everyday there are two or tribute sponsor and we have a special guest. That's GonNa read that today so go to road I._D.. Dot Com to get your to get your my missing a code there should be. I don't think so anyways yeah now. We just go to road idea dot com I mean it's an amazing idea and <hes> and also thanks to the team over there for sponsoring our daily Trivia contest also today in F- Wa the hollow can is back. It has been a man's this man. Your skills aren't gonNA freeze up today. Are they just a little chilly but it's okay good. He's GonNa follow can brought to you by hybrid. Coffee is back. There also thank you to them for for also supporting the show hi coffee cold brew for those who do was in previously six different flavors now. There's the seventh I say every day that the triple shot is my jam three times the caffeine eleven ounce cans sugar-free cold brew for those who do <hes> go to high brew Coffee Dot Com use the code two zero the move for twenty percent off your purchase. <hes> and I can't wait for George to break down this Brent <hes> with the hollow cans. Don't freeze up man. It's ready. We're going to get to that. We'll get to that anyhow exciting day. I mean boring boring slash exciting day. I thought boring in the sense that is one of these transition days which is what what we have to have had to the obligatory breakaway that that never got that far brought back like they always are <hes> but the heat some key crashes three g see guys go down Jacob who live live my initial pick out of the race talking about a hand or a wrist <hes> Naro Quintana a crash who's Oh he's not even in the race anymore basically <hes> but Gareth Thomas with a crash that hats off to N._B._C. and the crew for catching <hes> <hes> that crash hurt e C. Anybody and I'm still trying to understand Georgia and I don't necessarily agree on what happened but the when you see somebody quote unquote high side like that so he's turning right normally fraternity right you would slide out and crashing your rights when you the bike thing. The tire catches and you flip happens a lot in motor G._p.. And then land hard on your website on hard don't he he don't feel that when we talk about it all the time and this is what our source at it said at the beginning. He just crashes a lot already. Let his third this is what makes the Tour de France so hard daylight today where you're not really expecting anything. Of course it's a hot day day. After the rest day I mean he just can't lose focus and it's hard to say what exactly what happened but I think I'm agreeing with yen's void what he said was he. He might have just touched the wheel in front of him and just lost it on that turn but you gotta stay. Focus doesn't matter what's going on the raise. Its last week of TOR people are tired. They're gonNA start making mistakes. <hes> that was that was that's a tough low for guarant- because is obviously not everybody's saying he's not going quite as good as last year but he's still in there for the fight and he's going to need all the lucky can get today was not a lucky day for <hes>. No no I still it's almost my my my theory and watching <hes> whatever footage they could catch was that he just oversteered somehow he oversteered in the corner wasn't that sharp it was a soft Ben and he overcooked it in that front the front wheel caught. I how do you oversteer on the corner like that. He did and he really yeah just like magic. I just think we missed him rubbing the wheel in front. We'll see a video. The guy was behind behind him. Yeah the guy was a bike lengths ahead of on a wheel. He's on his teammates was looked like he the his teammate behind him under any circumstances him over cooking steering turning too hard on his own attorney the I mean that would be crazy. That'd be like me on the day spas out there so you know you say he crashes a lot. What is that is that fatigue? Is it just not being alert writer. All the time is it your teammates nate's teammates not protecting you or frankly. I'm I'm surprised because typically the guys who come from the track which he he started out as a track writer <hes> as did a lot of those guys that come out of the Great Britain program though typically track riders the best skills in a group <hes> just sort of comfort on a bike. Normally you would think they would crash less than anybody else depression fatigue at noon right now you just said that and heat and heat <hes> wells. Did we notice today we don't we're GONNA save in Georgia's breakdown of the sprints. Let's not talk about Caleb U._N.. Too much until we get to that but other stuff half what's going on within Rick Moss George George has the source of trying to figure it out <hes> whether there's some drama and the team but my guy says that he's just completely exhausted and he's got nothing tank which is kind of hard to leaper somebody who's got second place in tour Spain <hes> perhaps as a lack of motivation right now. I don't know it's hard to say but <hes> on T._v.. They said that he sat up today to save energy for the owls but he will be key figure in helping Panella Philippe if they can get him to somehow rally. I mean he can make a massive difference. <hes> is leaving the QUICKSTEP. I heard that I've not seen that that's what I heard and we talk about it every day when somebody's leaving the team just just as kind of great some bad blood yeah but it's still has a job to do so we got. I think it'd be rallies <hes> it's going to be it's GonNa make the race even more exciting to have in there at the end without fully because he's clearly capable of being. You're in the final five ten guys on the climbs. <hes> which is what else leap really needs right now. We spent a lot of time talking about De Koonig quickstep morale and the team the power of yellow the excitement there they're winning. They've had an unbelievable season. Alexander Vinokourov had an interesting quote when he when he talked about the power of Yellow George read it to me yeah. He said something like you understand that the power of yellow makes you a stronger ryder but he didn't know that it will make you fly <hes> which was interesting probably not GonNa get into that right now. We couldn't later on but I do find in. We were in very similar position in ninety nine where we were just a bunch of punk kids not knowing not known having any idea how to protect the Jersey up until then and we just basically just trying to finish the <unk> France get a top ten top finish and all of a sudden lance wins. The prologue toured France and we're sitting up during the front talking about stress but you do rally around something like that. I mean you're I've seen people just give every last bit of energy. They have their tanked to protect their leader. Even though at the hadn't been there before I mean that situation really elevates the writers and I've seen firsthand so I think we'll see that from from de Koonig this week we missing one real critical part art here Georgia and that that is that we despite us being the bad news bears and the total underdogs and I mean award number one eighty one that just shows you how highly ranked <hes> we brought a team to win the twitter fan so we didn't bring a team to support a sprinter like Vivian beyond your or to support early stage wins and get a Jersey and then be out of the race. We brought a team to win the tour now nobody thought we could. We didn't think we could but we built the team to do that right. They didn't bring a t. e. easy now I was going for the sprints back then to it was a couple of Thomas. Actually Christian God gave me hard time the other day when we somehow we were talking about this exact same situation. <hes> we're ninety nine. We did the passage the GUA- and we put seven minutes on Zula and Christian was giving me Shit because him neck him Mauve and Frankie rub their pulling their ass off Johan. Let me sit in for the sprint that day which you know really yeah he did that on the whole time while we were putting seven minutes on July set on and I had forgotten about that clearly you had reason season and I got probably like fifth or sixth place but <hes> <hes> so we did have we did have. We weren't like one thousand percent behind you. We had other <hes> goals but towards the end we definitely got behind him but the point is that we all kind of like did more than we ever thought was possible to protect the lead and I think we'll see the same this week. I think it conversation worth happening and I think he you guys both have a lot of Intel in the Peleton. There may be a leadership issue at any Os that they haven't <unk> had <hes> is formerly team sky and you know you you think the leaders there director and you shouldn't overlook what a real team leader right is like for the whole staff right in my my source. was there says that that it's the Chris firm is really. I don't WanNa say the their favorite leader of the team but it's the leader he is a good leader. He's the one that they rally around the most. He's the one where the morale when they're working for him. The morale is the highest asked and and according to this source that that despite having two guys in the top five and two guys that could actually win that team morale is is at an all-time low which is you know thinking about it right and so did it says a lot for Chris from <hes> uh-huh but it's also says a lot about what's going on at that team whether or not I always say it every day I mean the you could walk by every dinner table if you could just if they were all in one hotel or you just you know just if you could just listen in in you know what the next day is going to be like he just you sense and fill the energy you you sense and fill the Camaraderie and and you know we always you know shit and seven years we had it reminds me of we're not cab was on sky and they were working proved wiggins and all those guys and here we are cab was world champion at the time your your favorite person person one of the one of my favorite people in the world we miss your cab by the way but he he would come through our table needs to retire and beyond you know he does it yes he can. I tell my story story sure so cabinets world champion A._C._M.. Going back for bottles for for teammates and you know that was tough to see and I know that was tough for him to not be the man on the team and <hes> it messes with the <hes> the ambiance amongst teams when you don't have when you're not really sure that that should be your role when he was world champion of the time one of the best printers in the world and he's going back and getting bottled and you know pulling tempo for his guys clearly like that but he would come by our dinner table and B._M._C.'s like <hes> you guys you guys need a sprinter for next year. It's quite funny. There was big talk that he was going to see that was the main speculation he's on B._M._C. Bikes right now right but when he was leaving sky that was the now it wasn't that the main I met 's T._J.. The other day because he went from mm-hmm B._M._C. to to education I and he he he told us that he had a youngster was on that raw bank program. That is now jumbo visa. I wonder how close or how many I'm you would think you'd have conversations with them to you know them. They know you saying I duNNo. I thought about the other day after he left. Nobody cares I bring him back when he he does does want to come back yeah. We're GONNA bring them back to the mountain thought he was great. Shout out you know he can be pretty quiet and an introspective but that he shed a whole New Light in perspective on the inner working we we're not sitting. You've been in the tour Peleton now. I think I miss my window mcadoo to great now. I just think that the leadership of a teammate is dawning on me of how critical that is just like a director. We talked about Viviana out there working for Allah Felipe leader. Shell say the end. He's leaving the team. He has all he has all the rights to say guys. I'm fried I can't I can't do it now. which we start today tunic was not doing all the work early on I was surprised is actually shocked to see Yumbo visa pulling so early on for even though they have one of the favorites for the sprint but come on they have a real shot at winning this overall race Kuna Vegan sorry in Christ wake for me as pick check your new pick Atlanta's new pick direct on my guys renovating? You should be on your own today. Maybe give you one spot. There's plenty of sprinter teams that have not one racist yet that should have shoulder as the responsibility bringing them breakaway back but I would. I would've saved my guys for the final weeks. I was surprised to see them at the front working so much well before we get to <hes> Georgia's hollow can spread by and this just goes to show you how rusty I've gotten <music> over the rest day. I I say it every I hate recipes and I clearly didn't go hard enough yesterday. So I'm off my game. I forgot to mention that this show is brought to you by patrolling Tequila my paternal here you know who semi truck. Today is my trauma. The day is is Caleb Younes Baby. I guess he just had him and his wife has had a baby now. She had the baby then a baby and he talked about at the start how excited he was for his family going to be there and it I mean I'm kinda joking around but I'm not like if you know you're they haven't you haven't seen them. You know your new babies there it. It's it's another by the way sprinter forty miles an hour. That's the difference between thirty nine forty. It's it's really inspirational and motivational. Have Your family there so I know the kid. I don't know how the kid is probably not twenty one but that's my patrol of the day the baby for being inspiration yeah making the difference if your family the a different if your family motivated you to win the directors have everybody's families there with his dad. I gotta go Caleb and if you read his comedy that it's great I thought I saw I thought they said that was a little girl but clearly he's got. He's coming off one stage winner ready. <hes> the pressure is a bit off of him to perform but he said you know the team was working for him heart. Today he did not feel good throughout the day was really hot day really Dave for him so he didn't I think he wasn't sure how the legs would react <hes> but man. That's sprint which you know we'll try to cover on. The hollow can was quite impressive in the kid. Has You know it's whole life is GonNa know them. 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The by code is the move actually sorry rilke dot com slash the move twenty percent off your first purchase but if you want these you'd better hurry grace you WANNA. A pair blue blue the surprise on our trivia contests reader just got a texture my on my ipad. The Caleb Younes baby's name is lily. I think it's a girl yep sounds like I just can't lose today and the paternal today Louis Patrol the day is lily so lily when you're twenty one. We'll send you some Tequila. Let's break down the sprint. I'm interested search ready. Let's do it well. We're not my stand doesn't matter of we're ready because we're going to sit here and watch you. Just a few observations is we hadn't been Hala Canada. While first thing I noticed was the make sure the Mike is to stand the sorry. Keep down the first thing I noticed since the was kind of saving I believe they're saving most guys for the rest of the week. They weren't doing like three or four k. out lead out that they usually do so it was Kinda in a messy those last roundabouts guys sitting up guys going everywhere super chaotic but once they there was around about with three hundred eighty meters ago cut through the middle no the final round the previous one they they had cut through the middle of the final one was actual roundabout I just think and they finished in front of like Strip Mall Yeah like I it's kind of weird throwing corners dangerous but that's a whole another segment so they did Markov and Rick as he did hook up here with Bibbiani with about eight hundred meters ago mar not typical awesome lead. I would just super impressive the way this guy they have both been on the front <hes> working for our police for over a week now so for them to still have the speed and the legs did an awesome lead out. Here's here's where the where the move happen mark off pulls off about five hundred minutes ago rick as he doesn't amazing lead out with Viana Reina's wheel with about two hundred meters. You can see Johnny kind of hesitates for a second look to his left and wonders who's going. Should I go now that slide hesitation allowed caleb you and come from six behind at least at least six behind. They're going forty miles an hour here or thirty eight miles an hour caleb you and takes jump six people behind in the win while beyond it takes half a second hesitation looking to let the C. You and comes with momentum and a ton of power they both end up going that hesitation tation cost him the race in my opinion on Pinson the line with about half a centimeter but the speedy had in the the distance he came from behind was truly impressive and <hes> that slight hesitation by Viana costing the race race my opinion and then Caleb you and said I don't know what he said. What did he say? Do you see I was waiting for it. He introduces move came from six back at the Tour de France you hardly you've rarely ever see that. From so far art shows he's fast so guys got a ton of power right. He's GonNa Win Paris. How is learning how is the guy that small no offense generate so much power? It's just so errol doesn't have to it was our does but not as I'm GONNA get shit for this but I'm GonNa go back mark avenues his sprint was not nearly as high wattage as his competitor of course that like thirteen hundred which is a lot of wise but compared to the gripe. Oh no the guy doing eighteen hundred watts friends but mark avenues are so aerodynamic that and so efficient in the pilot on that sprint made him the best thing about in the day Mario Cipollini I mean ship was six. He was arena sixteen thousand nine hundred one. Just you just have to you know when you're going forty in your six three hello you can figure it out like and these little pocket rockets like cavendish and Caleb you and also Vivianne. He's packed act in their tight. So it's cab. I will say I mean Cav was like <hes> I think he's the one who's who started. I don't WANNA call it a trend but he was the first of of the pockets yeah absolutely. Let's do our road I._D.. Trivia contests are special guest. Today is somebody I love a lot in her name is Grace Armstrong and she is now grace seventeen. Are you ready to read this. <hes> don't be nervous. They've come on. Let's do this. I'll get up. I want you sit on my lap. That'd be weird. We like to call her G. Love Them Lady. Thank you don't grow all right. It's time for today's Daily Dose of Rhode I- Detour Trivia to play head over to road I._D.. 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If you're going to do all that you you should get the credit on Strada or something yeah okay. Let's talk about tomorrow. Tomorrow's an interesting day. In the this is is <hes> a lot of memories of the tour <hes> this this meme the memory of finishing into gap in two thousand three is probably on my podium in terms of memories and the and the terrible crash that just a beloki hand coming down in she's five six before the finish where he too high cited just grabbed on hot pavement and just high cited in broke all kinds of bounds and essentially ruined his career effectively ruined his career and I was lucky enough to find a anyways you people probably seen it but <hes> just one thing to know this is not that finishes Saint Finish town but a different different coming into town from completely opposite side of a gap but you know the heat is is on and not a Nada not a flat day day for the breakaway. It's my job. I'm going Thomas to hint. I'm not just going to say yeah. I'm not. I'm not going to say breakaway but I'm going. I'm picking Thomas to hint the man who hates gosh so I have <hes>. That's a that's a good pick. Thomas has been really aggressive. I'd love to see one of our three Americans lassen raise that are arguably some <hes> some of the best breakway guys in the Peleton Ben King who had an amazing towards Spain last year <hes> from <hes> courses such like tomorrow <hes> Joey Roscoff superstrong used to call him the king of my team and then Chad Haga <hes> we've got these were <music>. I'm pulling for these guys to make a breakaway in this final week prayer you know everybody's exhausted at this at this point and it's just there's a lot of luck involved but these guys can make the breakway that'll stick and I believe that all three of them got a good chance to make the breakaway and hopefully when a stage before the the race was Ruskov we saw tenth in the t t Roscoff got tenth and then Chad Haga got one zero t t yup so they can motor. He was top twenty in the time travel as well but they still have some some gas tank and I let them make a breakaway just checking the weather. You'll know love to check the weather. <hes> typical of hot summer days somewhere in and around the mountains starts out sunny ends up ninety degrees with scattered thunderstorms. Just those summer heat caused caused a sound like I'm I'm meteorologist or something but calling for thunderstorms so that always downhill finish and the thunderstorms never know yeah they're they're saying in the heat through their drinking six bottles and our I found that Kinda hard to believe taking six or drinking six because I think you take six and you drink maybe the other three so a lot of guys that would make sense the the cold bags of the ice bags on their back their neck but also also just dumping a ton of water on their head right so some variation can only absorbed so much water every hour anyway so they're probably pointed over their heads before we let y'all go. We have another special guest shoot and in aspire update before we get anybody might have screwed up well. No I know he roy he wrote fit. He wrote more than I did yesterday. He did fit yesterday I did like I don't know not much twenty but it did enough to meet my ten mile requirement requirement to credit for my I know for sure you wrote. I didn't see writing but I think he did but yeah. We're still in a man and to win it. I'm competent. I'm GonNa make it so our special. Special guest is just slid into the move. Studio is Miss Lucy D._S.. How do you D Ah Yes and Lucy is the race director of the Colorado Classic? Which of course we know in the past was was kamins end men's abandoned the men's and women's event and now it is women only and not only is it women only but us here at the move? I don't know if we can rope Georgia and maybe we can get the invite so I'm a little bit Celtics. We'll thank the move. We'll be covering the four day Colorado Classic August Twenty seconds to twenty fifth <hes> sponsored by Vanity Fair not the magazine Yeah. Tell us about what we what are we going to be watching well a really exciting event and as you mentioned lands we were men's race and then a men's and women's race and this year we decided to go all women's and really we saw an opportunity to elevate to be a part of the elevation of the sport in the development of the women's side of the sports so excited about being able to do that here in Colorado so August twenty second through twenty fifth. It'll be a four stage all women's race. We've got sixteen teams five international teams. You'll see some good local representation also from Colorado. We're in STEAMBOAT YVONNE ON GOLDEN AND WE FINISH UP IN DENVER SO competitive field great climbs great routes super aggressive but you know what we're we're really excited about. This year is working to create a platform for. For Women's racing in Europe has done some great things and there's obviously a lot of amazing races in Europe but in the states here for stage racing we're doing two hours of live TV each day which is not always given on the women's side of the sport so being able to do that putting up a nice price purse of seventy five thousand dollars <hes> supporting the women while they're here with hotel and travel and food and really being able to provide a platform for the athletes to do what they do. Roads think there yeah a huge huge punching and we've got some great host city support as what a good time to be a woman and sport like I mean the the World Women's World Cup you see tennis. We're just what before we went on. We're watching swimming and amazing amazing athletes like Katie decky and just a cool time and just in India the day we are in Boise. We had Kristen Armstrong on the show. Who's just a and we saw power? I'm sure you were pretty motivated watching the U._S.. Women's win the World Cup yeah just because it's it's the vibe of of supporting women right now and they kept in they did you catch at the end of the game. They were chanting equal pay in the whole stadium equal pay share. I mean that's they said that in France they're in English by a lot of Americans. I don't think anyways how will we be able to watch the reason I'm so it's going to be a livestream. You can wash it on our website and we'll have a lot of other syndicated partners as well Cycling Network Fox women <hes> but the idea is to give the content to people when they want it how they want it be able to get it out there. Were they were in Americans to hopefully go for the overall well there. There's as we can't announce it yet. There's a big announcement. We'll let you announce it. Coming back to cycling didn't say I'm saying that he tried to talk. I know that'd be a kick. My ask four hours ago women gold medal but made it made you even more cranky than usually are exactly but the obviously the T._v.. Time the coverage the people tuning into the Stream. That's what the sponsors see sure. They're going to see their you know their logo and then next year they're like okay more money and because it is getting the coverage I mean that's what those that has to be. The progression right absolutely and that's really our vision is to create the sustainable model that grows doesn't just comfort euro two and leave so which is sponsorship is a huge piece of that but also it's bringing the crowds in and bringing the community together to say Oh women cycling on not really into women cycling but you don't L. Until you're out there and watching it so that's really focused fires in in other cool thing Vanity Fair and touched on a second not the magazine but basically a the parent company of a bunch of a bunch of other huge brands the north face vans smart wool <hes> Timberland moving all of their companies to Denver so north face goes from San Francisco to Denver Smart will goes from steamboat to Denver etc etc so you know this just right in their backyard yeah and they're doing it from a they don't make cycling clothing. They don't make bikes cycling socks. You can say from Smart Goals Perspective but you know they're really doing it to support the sport and really to support <hes> you know the underdog in the sport with with the women's sides right so and they're proud of it and they're proud to be in Colorado and the fact that they're here as well big. That's Awesome Good Luck Lucy we'll see I guess we'll see August twenty second absolutely thanks for having me here to stay like we've got to figure out how we we worked dispute in steamboat this. I'm really getting off topic but I will only ever stay in one place and it is the rabbit ears motel. It's like right when you're familiar. I think some of the teams have seen this. I love fancy it is not I fancied the doors on the outside so awesome. I don't have to talk to anybody to see anybody get straight to my car but the best thing is that on the little desk in every room is they have the postcard the the the sign up front US neon the big rabbit ears than they have the. It's a photo of the rabbit ears the sign and so I always send this postcard to my kids. Just say we'll make sure we get you a room there they can. I will never ever I will does all. I'm saying the raptors I'm saying I mean how they're a simple man right George. I don't know about that. Are we doing any questions today or we can't just say. Maybe they have questions for you. <hes> let's see greetings from Germany. Great Show is always liked to listen to boast shows in the morning and I noticed you talk less about Emmanuel Berkman. Even in Germany public starts to recognize that there is a race in France with a German in the top ten so what are your thoughts on him and I guess Johan knows ever result of him. That's from Stephan well and and N._B._C. highlighted this today and actually interviewed him. He's the one yeah you're right. He's one of the six guys who can still win the bike race and nobody talks about him. <hes> and it's interesting you coming from Germany because our era had the Germans were so good Yano Rick and Eric Zaabal Team Telecom and Cody Andreas clothing <hes> who's forgiving me for the world's biggest dickhead many many years ago that we have that on the record but you know they really turned against cycling. I mean the the main eighty are the main broadcast there in Germany. Just they dropped the tour and so to have a kid back in the hunt and a sport with a with most think a real cultural changes is cool like he's there and so we are bad we don't talk. Nobody talks about it and we saw his interview today. He's just seems just happy to be. They're happy with this form. He was his goal was to be top ten in Paris and here he is one of the last man standing so he hasn't really shown any weakness to to up until now. I'm excited to see how he'll go in the Alps. What else one more question is is total softball and cyclists? Get it all the time but it's fun just him on the campus Vertigo Jimmy just sit just Lucy. Stay somewhat next to Lucy and then look at this man no sit closer. We won't your wife. I told you I told you know we would make eleven thirty. I understand we're supposed to bride. Eleven thirty in my thing here says it's eleven thirty eight. I'm sorry we're almost done and then. I'll begin yelled at that. I'm not ready because I have all the way back home and he just goes straight through thousand gets ready sharing the microphone Jimmy Lucy Lucy. Jimmy derives cars for a living. Can you believe it. Let's ask Jimmy what his thoughts are on the tour so far deciding tour. Can we see the finish single team piece break apart and be more about the individual. It's been really cool yeah. Can you take any hamlet on a bike yes yes. I like the tour today you call them Danny Hamlin as well. It's even better Danny. Danny Sorry Day shoot all right. Let's let's what's our last question. Sorry bus subject Georgia's Today on the day complain about the bikes on house were there. Did you hear we did talk with. George still lifted all right like I said this is a softball goofy question. But did we get it a lot for years. I've heard that <hes> pro bike racers. Believe shaving your legs the night before big effort is a no no because it zapped your energy. Where do y'all land on this? Is it an old wives tale or settled in science science. Also although I've stopped racing bikes for about four years ago at the amateur level I still ride and still shave my legs. I can't bear the site of Harry legs. Now that you to aren't racing. Are you wild and woolley or still sleek unclean. That's from Jack so Wow <hes> Jack <hes> I've. I've never heard the disaster energy I mean I think you win for these guys racing. Just shave your legs when you shape your legs eggs but wow <hes> no. I haven't shaved my leg since I stopped. I'm not I'm not this man. This big race coming up this trains. He acts and eats and regimes seems like professional shaves. His legs like a pro shaves other people's legs. I'm from time to time but the thing about me I think you should shave for Sunday bright. y'All guys and Gals can't see but a lot of here but you see hair like I just don't can't grow a beard weird like this fine man right here. I mean rocking. The beard is a little greater than it used to be. Big Difference. Swimming is a big difference but in the other question we get a lot is like why do cyclist shave their legs. Why is it is it? Aerodynamics is it D- <hes> for a look <hes> and I think that you are from massage or for when you crash easier to clean the wounds. It's really all those things yeah. You know. I think of all of them. I think aerodynamics is the least important or maybe maybe I'm wrong about our mentally until it feels right. I don't need to shave my legs remarks every day about how the my calves are getting coming back as opposed yesterday You Guys Pretty Shaved and oiled hold up in the box scenery up a little bit faces all right the these two guys. I don't know if you know this Jimmy. These guys are going to race on the last day the Aspen fifty cores who the jets you ride with these guys all the time. What's your pick? 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2020 Tour de France Stage 14

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2020 Tour de France Stage 14

"All the time and bike races there's a moment where Mr momentum changes his address. Okay it changes today twenty eight made a third of his deficit. If I'm Sam Bennett a first of all, I'd be worried about finishing the tour looking at the last week. Now, he is going to hate life is hate life. Sean Casaus Sean Kelly. The Great Sean Kelly quoted today The Sky, the Green Jersey in won a bunch of Greens. The Green Jersey is GonNa come down all the way to Paris. Hey everybody. Welcome back to the movie podcast. I'm Lance Armstrong sitting here with J. B. Hager. And the most interesting man in the World Georgian. CAPI. According to many of our listeners viewers. Talking about stage fourteen man it's clicking along here. Already four got a week left the hell are we going to do after this? what an incredible win. And I'm just going to try to say the name by soaring CRAG. Anderson. Yeah so we actually have the. Correct pronunciation of this, this young man's name. Sean Colorado. Shankar Kinda rolls it out. It's not like Soren. Anywhere, he says it again. Son Greg Analyst. Yeah. That's the way we thank you Brian. Thank you. Thank you. Way Speaking of pronunciation. Let's cure other old friend Allan Allan. Local Aspen resident been here for decades but he always helps us with our French pronunciation stage fourteen fourteen. Federal to. You know that was an easy one. To Leone. Today's show brought to you by or a ring as it is each and every day. And again I keep teasing out this new partnership that they're about to announce back. It was getting messages this morning from. Other. Folks. In this sport, there's going to be a big announcement the amount of data that I'm personally getting out of. Out of the ring and we're seeing I'd been thanks to you all for senators, your sleep data, you're reading score all these things it just look at it. 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The deserves to be on my back man the guy made up twenty three points today, which is a lot of third of his deficit Sam Bennett easily dropped. and. Man Action and animation all day long. Did bene- get the first bonus yet third. So got the first one but Bennett got sixth. Okay. So He's prediction was closed but it was a little bit off because it didn't happen on that category four but then he never came back then no, he was back. Category they've dropped the hammer down. Did a ton of work I. mean there's a massive I. Don't think we've ever seen about like this with a Green Jersey. They're all on the line has dropped four or five teammates wait sorry four or five teammates wait for them and then. That was Georgia's blaming hitting the my blink. Boy Steve West is ring if anybody wants to know. Anyway. They. The amount mount of work in matches both teams burning for this Green Jersey battle is We haven't seen anything like that in a long time. So even you have taken lance have taken an interest in the Green Jersey it. Well, I don't mind so much the Green Jersey the Polka Dot Jersey yet again dropped. Okay. The best climber in the race dropped on on easy climbs I rest my case now but what I, what I would love to have been a fly on the wall or just had access to race radio or team radio if you if you listen to if you were able to listen to the team Bora. Team Communication and quick steps to quick steps team communication. So as they Osama Bin and gets dropped. You know the director bores like you guys have you have to Hammer Hammer Hammer get your minute up two minutes up as they go and of course, quickstep saying. To their guys, you got to keep riding trying to bring this back. There's this moment where they give up an and you see it in the race. And at that point, if if Bora is riding one hundred percent as soon as they hear that they've given up well, then they can take it back and they probably go for another few K. and then they just dial it back to seventy. It's this moment where it really you know. The entire intensity, the race would have changed. Yeah I mean true they did dial back. But then again, you saw on the approach of those to category four climbs they weren't going easy CCC was at the Front. Clearly trying to make it hard to to launch an attack on those final two climbs and borough was still up pulling through. So it was I mean it was a really really tough day for being sort of a transition stage and what we have to come in the next few days or tomorrow actually Monday's the rest but I'm just Still kind of blown away about the amount of energy they're spending on this question questionable tactics as well. In the run in with. You as we saw in the end was isolated and alone. Soren Greg Anderson jumps away. There's nobody there's no other Bora riders. To, bring him back although he was hauling, ass, I'd love to see this kid's power file for the last five K. But just before that, another team rider goes tries to go away if it wasn't her cyanide, not that was. Ever. Leonard Kema. So he he makes ago sorry, he makes it go and Lo and behold two minutes later Sagawa doesn't have somebody help him I don't know I I. I have to question that move I'm watching on TV, and of course, is easy to comment sitting on your lovely better. When he talking to the Mike, I'm watching it on TV is very easy to comment and being an armchair quarterback but. You your team is on the front the whole day, and clearly have a massive chance to win I. Mean you're all you're all in already how can you send one guy or the guy did it on his own? The director needed should have been like, Bro, you gotta come back because they didn't have anybody left. They really needed him to control those attacks. Son Web came in with obviously a credible plan sitting teaspoon nude up the up the road. On the first climb that hair she goes the on the top of the first climb I mean it's unreal. The way they set that up but bore I, feel like they really screwed up the tactics at the end of course saga back really valuable points but he had a real chance to win today. So net net he made up forty. Sorry he's now down forty three points we made up twenty three points, which is is is significant right and. It just shows you how Tuffy is in this again, tough teams on Web as I said, the other day I. Mean Chicken Sal too chicken shit and now really backed a chicken salad. We may have a chicken salad sandwich. Soon. Though these guys are killing not only. Two stage wins in they've been top three how many times five or five times or so they're the youngest team in the whole Pelivan So they I mean they really just. Like I said earlier this week they've lost of their big guns, but they really were able to make up for it tenfold by now to stage winning the Tour de France where I think half of the half the teams don't even have a win yet in the Tour de France I mean wasn't that just son Web that was a very old school racing tactics, attack attack attack, and then eventually catch everybody staring at each other guy who's one roy classics is a real hardcore classics writer. He sent him in on the first attack. You know you got some death on your squad and You know I don't know if they actually. Planned it to that perfection. You know perhaps it was her she's or Sorin's. Chance type when they felt the going, but it's aren't attacked as soon as her. She got caught news like textbook perfect tactics to two things that stuck I. Just WanNa touch on two things we heard about yesterday one everybody heard about. Roman bar day out of the tour with a concussion I didn't realize until they kept showing it today I. Mean I saw the crash but I didn't and we've seen this the more and more lately, which is just frightening. Obviously concussions in all sports are very, very serious but as he got up after the crash to kind of collect himself maybe back on he bell backed down. I mean that's see stuff like, yeah you need to go home. Well, we all miss that I mean we. Saw we saw that today in the replay and I'm actually Kinda shocked organization like gay so Maybe they do but they obviously didn't implemented yesterday which our good buddy Romaine modabber helped create this concussion protocol win a crash like this happens in the peleton instantly in the tour California and a lot of these US races double check and make sure that you're able to pass the concussion protocol before they let you continue on the race the fact that he got back on his bike and continued on. And still wrote an amazing race after something like that. That's kind of like little questionable. That was allowed to happen in yet and the other thing that that that we picked up on yesterday and we saw the interview today with the Bernal. Question their tactics ineos put the whole team on the front tried to isolate rogue. Lich, and was you know Look to be setting up Bernal who was then dropped. He said yesterday that those were he was very gracious in in his interview today but they asked him at the Finish are yesterday evening. You know what happened you know you you were off the back. He said he's never seen numbers like that, and so his own individual performance he did everything he expected to do but he got dropped it just shows you the level of this Peleton and the the. Obviously. Jumbo visa is on another level. Yeah. That's the fact that the you know the previous toward France winner tells his boys on the team I guys I'm feeling good. Let's go and then you know doesn't does one of his best performances of his career and still lose forty second he's on the back foot for the rest of this sort of France. Oh. That took a lot for you to say that about fellow Colombian? Unfortunate but we do have four Colombians in the top six. So maybe they start working together get. Get little unique in the tactics and try to gang up on the Slovenians. The other thing you George. You got a little Intel on this about some of the you know we talk a lot on this show about innovation and how disc brakes are just almost totally commonplace that doesn't mean that they're mandatory. So these guys on day thirteen, they could ride disc brakes day tomorrow they could skip it. Now we're seeing guys go between disc brakes and old school caliber breaks. I think you've got a little scoop on that. Yeah. Well, I was surprised to see both Po, Po Gotcha and Primoz. Without disparate yesterday and I, I just assumed the weight issue but apparently, at least one of them they, they didn't get the disparate bikes until the dolphin they're just quite simply not used to writing them in it's not a weight issue. Apparently, their bikes are only a couple of hundred grams heavier, which is a gel or two in your pocket. So it's easy to make the difference So it's Not a weight issues a simple fact that there some of those guys just aren't using used to riding districts, which is a little strange. You know being that we're in two thousand twenty and we've all been writing this breaks for a couple years. Now it's it is a different feel, right? I mean. If you go from obviously the disc works better especially in the rain but you know it's a different It's different touch on the break and so. In a way by the way, who's the bike sponsor that didn't get them the this bikes until fucking three weeks ago by like hello. Hello but we did see a really slow neutral wheel as you pointed out that thought that was interesting as well now. Pointed out I think in the second stage tour that you know these guys, these mechanics got the drill ready pop out the the through Axel and get the wheel and super-quick now. But Somehow they don't have that they had the little tool and the guys just. Moving into by hand and turn it. That's gotTa take another thirty seconds to change a wheel doing. Well, how does he have the drill? All the team mechanics have drills where's where's yeah he had like a looks like. It looks like an old the old cross he's taste. In a car. Might have to hit up the firm that actually just. Reinvest. Tell me get drills for their boys. Yeah. Hello. Just get some girls. Go. So I thought I thought the final was super technical, very twisty. I mean one of the one section land she pointed out they went from being on a two to three lane road to a road the size of a bike path you saw any os gave right to the front I mean that's just with the with the climbs the category four climbs, and then the small roads the big roads at twisty Turny Innis that makes for super super stressful final. These guys are not getting any breaks right now I mean they're the racing is so hard exciting, and now they had the big stage of the Tour de France. Coming tomorrow boy it looks nasty. We'll get into tomorrow here in a second. Any other notes we had from as I was watching heard, we were watching today. I was well I. Know it was up and down a lot george moving around but I I'm always watching I did have one thing I wanted to bring up and I'm not sure if you guys caught it and we were watching it over here at the production office. But they they were talking about Bart as concussion and then Horner was sharing a story of a concussion he had and some old footage and he didn't remember for like a twenty four hour period. and. Then fill told the story. Did you catch that? He told a story about. Sprint hitting a baby earned. Said I hit a baby And then didn't remember where I was or the results or any of that was pretty crazy story and he didn't really know one followed up go wait a minute. Did you say you hit a baby and and how is the baby is still alive? Is the baby. How? That goes walking right. Toddlers are so. How how did Bob Role not pounce on that one body? What happened there? I mean, you have a little hard. Where's your cue? What is the status of the baby? I mean it's a logical question. We've a lot of us have kids I immediately Imbaba by the way, Ruby Ruby Ruby was once a bay does a baby ended up at the finish line. I. It's crazy. Shit happens in Belgium. We'll have been there in speaking role. This has nothing to do with anything but I, just want if I have there's a lot of things in my life that I'm hoping for. Right. One of the one of the biggest ones is that I just hope and Bob you're not too old to make this happen. I hope BOB has another child. And it's a little boy. And he gets his wife our baby mama to agree to to the name Rockefeller Nelson Role. So his name is Rockin row. How fucking amazing would that be Bob Hope you're listening I hope you're listening I. Mean You have to make this happen for me there is no kid in the world named rock and roll maybe we can. Comment on that, that would be. Just to have Bob role is your father that would be damn entertaining. Yes. That would. A before we get into tomorrow stage and a couple sizes, I know you have a surprise George and I have a surprise a listener sent about you oh, and I think we've got some slides. The all these little. Joe. Natoli. WANNABES and I mean that in the highest and best way the they've just not stopped. We're continuing to get just filthy content and we got US look cool slide of my new favorite writer in the Tour de France that I was pretty happy to see this morning as well. Oh. Okay. Good. But I do have a surprise for George. This one's this one's good. All right. It's it's it's sticking with our one of our themes for twenty twenty. Not, that that's a fucking terrible year but this is a good part at twenty twenty can I see that over there Jamie thank you, sir. Book that before we get to our surprises and the slides and talking about tomorrow, which is looks like a hell of a day. Today show also brought to you by. This this is an a Moroccan dope Hatem where. It's so dope right the the power dot Cammo Hat I talk about power dot all the time for me it's it's a daily. Tool that I use for for recovery for injury. All of the things that happened to me in in my daily grind. Cyclists and tour using it NFL's used by the way back today big game, the buccaneers and the saints. Hello. 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This one's GonNa. Look at that. Who unless not forget we got three races going on in one so we have. The points battle, your favorite, the polkadot battle and the battle. Let's just all hope that somebody actually takes the POLKA DOT JERSEY. That's-that's a climber. We'll see that's more. Yeah I agree with that. Obviously a lot more points there at the finish big question I. Guess like every day is does look at all the gotten one hundred kilometers. Of more or less flat road is a a break up the road and get ten minutes. I will say and as much as I hate downhill, finishes in love uphill finishes. There is also something if if there is a break with ten minutes or five minutes and they in the leaders, no, they're not. Competing for the statement that that just to me I know they're competing for the G. See, but it's a different boy I'd love to get into the bar or go to the bottom of grand. Columbia. With everybody together or league let the break have a minute or two. Because I think that then is just yet another just more fuel on the fire. And tomorrow. I highly doubt we'll see. Or quickstep controlling for that person bonus sprint. They'd probably they're probably GONNA be okay. This is a you know. Let's call the net net. For Tomorrow Sage if you'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY? TIRED GONNA be really tired and they have a big day to finish on from that. But that said even if there is four or five or ten guys away, they're still going to sprint full gas without bonus sprint boy on Sand Bennett I'm want my team to keep it to go. He wants he wins are he beats gone in that first intermediate sprint pretty easily I think but I mean, what are the we gotta look at the points breakdown So, say he wins it. Good, there's a good chance segmenting the second or third. What what is the difference between them not doing any work and Sam Benefit and eleven and Taganka getting twelfth it's pretty much the same thing well as we say every day. A- all the time and bike races. There is a moment where Mr Momentum changes his address. Okay it changes they twenty. He made up a third of his deficit. If I'm Sam Bennett first of all, I'd be worried about finishing the tour looking at the last. He is going to hate life I. Mean Hate Life. Sean Sean Kelly the Great Sean Kelly quoted today that said the Green Jersey in one a bunch of Greens the Green Jersey is GonNa come down all the way to Paris but imagine you within points and we're on the last that would actually suck for belt on if the Green Jersey competition we've had that we've had it before it's that close and everybody just wants to chill and roll in and be like, Hey, mom, how the heat's on the heat's on in there in they're doing these massive lead outs and it's fast and kills the champagne moment. And then. Front last time we had it was with pseudo grady and Eric Zobel. And everybody was going come on guys. We really racing for this as you WANNA be able to sort of March into the. And not raise but they raise for fortunately they kept the kind of under control where. The only sprinted the last like two K. before the bonus sprint, but it was down to the wire or example ended up winning it, but it was a battle to then. Yeah. We could see it again Sean Kelly knows what he's talking about so. Should. We try to make some predictions. I'm afraid I am afraid we are going to see a break that stays away, which is just a bummer I'd love for it to be together. Yeah One point two when we keep talking about these breakaways, somebody better start predicting. Thomas to hint misguided breakaway specialist he has you saw aggressive today he going after her she on the climb. Has the legs there at the end for sure. Okay. I'm going to take a flyer. I'm picking Thomas to Hint Tamar. That's a that's a big flyer. I'm never right anyways except for today I was right but I normally. All right. So I'm just GONNA FUCK IT I. Don't care I'm picking Thomas to hit Thomas if you're listening. I'm. George. I'll go I'll go opposite. I'll go somebody from the from the G. Some go with the PLO God's love it I love the you. If I could pick if I could have two scenarios that I could picked out which I guess I can't I would have picked I would picked him. And that would be I prefer that. So I, hope you're right. I really do either way can be very exciting stage and super hard. I will not the first bit of very, very difficult final climb to the finish very hard. And obviously the rest day the next day. So these guys know, hey, we got a day off a little put the legs up whatever So leave it all out there right. This is this is I said. One of the queen stages if not the queen stage. Should we have a little fun on the show? I heard much fun some for. The question is WHO's expense at everybody's GonNa get fucked with today. There is some we have some slides. Let's why don't we start Higgs? Can we start slides these Natalia knockoffs? He's Joe Natoli knockoffs. The one. which I really have a problem in an issue with. Let's just. Yeah I mean this is not The three stooges Lance J. B. and George and it says see you in the stooges. So here's my question for whoever made this right why am I the guy with the worst the mohair the Mo- by the way look at the hair that has the the hair that they gave George. That's my hair looks like. Why couldn't you have made me I don't know if that's Larry Moe curly but why did you I mean that's not nice. See in the stooges seeing just another t-shirt. Through funny. What else we get? We got other fun. Do we have more fun things? Are you? Can we pull up this line of my new favorite France writer? Yes this is a great picture. This is guys and gals this. This is what it's about right and you see this from time to time I've seen the pictures of rogue when he first got in, he looked like a complete fred now guy's GonNa win the Tour de France probably but you know here's Nielsen Pals with. Our Man George Hincapie on it I wonder how old Nilsson is there. So that's eleven years ago Nielsen's twenty four, right? So he's thirteen years old. So. We got a thing Nielsen's dad for Senator. He send it to my good friend Aaron out in Sacramento they've been following Nielsen for since he's been that age but when you signed that picture you. Need Luck and Rebate. Do that someday. But. We can we can ask that? He's a to me. Yeah. He might have brought up that that's during. Thank you dad, that's an awesome picture already saved it. Super Cool see maybe palace Oh, go on the attack again tomorrow maybe that's All the big breakways, I wouldn't be surprised if he's there tomorrow. After, awhile as we all as fans watch this, you just start cheering for people that have that have. Laid it out there and you're like come on man just the you'd keep trying and get let let this guy get a stage when that's he's one of them right now it's the one he's he's animated the race we got Nielsen. We got her she I think those are the two big guys we been. Feeling sentimental about for the store to France and the POLKADOT. Popular terrible for this guy when he's Sam Bennett to with his first. Stage win still hanging tough in the Green Jersey Yep. So I have a little you know one of the things that's been running through this this this year's. The. The tour coverage of the of the moves coverage of the tour is the fanny. Pack. And I've gotten a lot of grief. I mean a lot of grief not just for the fanny pack that what's in the fanny pack the cables I'm all about convenience and fuck what anybody says at this point I really don't like if I'm eating lunch and some shit's like on the side of my face I leave it. It's just I might need it in an hour I just don't care I. don't care what I look like. I. Guess I did because I didn't like the three stooges thing but I mean the fanny pack is just so convenient. So our good friend Matt McGinty was. Just he just opted and not only did he send us a couple presents Georgia I'll I'll I? Show you mine. So he sent us some new. and. Actually look at the color. McGinty just outed and. Look at the I mean we've got the proper. We do color scheme. Okay. All right. So not only do you do that he stalked it. So I've got a box of the new are not even these are old cables, right? So I don't have to classic here. But yeah, I just a role a put my phone in here a plug them in, and then I roll it up under my shirt hang out. He got you know also have them abandon here? I still ban I'm doing you know just doing because here's the thing to like we as cyclists and people to sit over their computer, their phones all day we. Hunched over tariffs and all this shit behind your it's like silly putty. So I just walk around with cables on and I and I do this thing. You should join the bunk house. In the morning we do our pull ups the warm up for the show I'm not there yet got a little lip balm. Thank you. We'll hand lotion. Oh. Do, we have here. We've got some look at this cute couple. Dave look at this couple right? You got you got. Oh arm around and done that just warm your heart. Okay. Look at this holding hands. I. GotTa I. GotTa. We do pen. So Georgia I don't want you a to go without. So Mr McGinty also. The WHO. Senator you. Yeah. You. Have the same stuff inside by the way. I wanted to my mind, my lance imitation. You May WanNa talk into the mic as well for those just listening. That's why you can't hear George because he's now refusing to wear the headset it fucks with his look. All on, I want to do my my lance imitation with with his fanny pack. Just put as much as you can't. Ask. I mean it's Georgia. Here's the thing about the fanny pack. Everybody makes fun of me. Well, actually do some of this live on by the way but by the way, partout is everybody knocking me hasn't tried it right what your mom tell you when you were growing up right. Don't knock it until you try it I sorta got you try that for you got all your shitting there you will. You won't go back. To a picture for the STRAEM after the show. Okay. Sit Up. Love dual fans. Thank Mcginn to McGinty thank you this weekend. Yeah. You're supposed to be here but that's all right. He's got more important things to do. In, by the way matinee series, no, we are thinking of. Your friends family that had lost their. So we miss you and I I don't know Georgia's happy but I'm happy I'm real. Happy. I love it rocked thing around town. All my crap in here. All right. I've got a little surprise for you lance that listener sin in Daniel. Synthesis? And you Kinda bag on yourself for your french-speaking ability. Oh no and he goes no no. No. Now I remember looking pretty good friends. This is an old post race. Maybe pre race. She looked pretty clean. Race interview. In French. Grandma's. Keep INCROYABLES WAYMO. Ramon. Commodity leary. Dunk Time check. Blocks. We explained and then the guy goes on. This juicy. What happens. This. This juicy. What just the most back. No. The Guy I'm trying I guess I'm I'm obviously. The guy just goes fuck it. Let's speak English just which many asked in English and then I started answering I guess an English like that's how bad it was. Let's keep going because George expression right now is priceless performance of your of your team. Alabama for. Rollers come. Of Be Combatant and. Vic Landy. Key keep a book book. You have to speak English because we are on. Television. So we'll. Talk. was. More I don't deserve this incredible was mazing but. I guess you did you doing. That you'll team. Position just to I would be was. In. English I mean. The English I would probably edit out. Man Time check. What? Anybody days made that was that was gold. I mean anybody out there. That wants to be on the move twenty, twenty one just hit me upside inside. On the side or higgs he can he can screen. This is this unbelievable I mean I really felt like y'all just ragging on me and laugh and you're laughing at me. I, mean he still laughing it isn't the George come on. I don't deserve the show. I love. Does. That was embarrassing. I'm like pitting out right now. I swear to I'm embarrassed. It's good. That was good. What else you got some questions comments this comes from Jane Whited Bora drive the bunch so hard once Bennett's was eight minutes behind and not coming back the classifications based on points not time but this, this is what I was saying if we could have had access to. To the team Communication Radio Communication, you they they. They might have still been writing, but they went from one hundred percent of probably. Once they know they've sat up in the back. I mean, it's not like they're going to start writing again in the back like they're done. So they can really back it down. And explain why yeah, I didn't I. Tell You why? Because Peter Sagan is happens to be one of the best classics writers in the World One day races of Attrition at this point, there's fifty sixty guys up in the PELETON. Their goal now is to make the race as hard as possible. So any sprinters that are left. You know. Potentially won't have the the matches left in their legs to contest Peter Again at the end it all went to Shit that was their plan I believe in went to ship because they made a an in my view and I. Think in our view of mistake maybe we'll keep keep one guy with cigane keep that thing together. I think net net would have been although he didn't have the punch that I would have expected in the sprint. No but I you know that that could be a mental thing that's run for for the different verse it's a totally different spurn. Gavin rights land changed my life I took up cycling and qualified to go to an an Olympics to world championships and African. Continental Championships in the Africa Games. Was a young man stuck in a lonely angry confused life and I took up cycling when a mate gave me a video cassette of him and postal team writing to win the tours I gave up smoking drinking and abusing my life and trained. Every day every minute and in sports changed my life. Thanks love that that is that there's no doubt cycling changes lives. That's why we continue to this day without having to race. It's a special sport. Fun Our therapy now here's a fun one How much credit racing did Lanson George do back in the day. WHOA. We did a lot I mean when we came up through the ranks I mean racing was. And probably still is has been the one format that has survived in at least in domestic racing the longest right it's it's easier to organize cheaper organize. If you think about one hundred mile road race closing down roads, making it save, it's that's an expensive venture. Grayson four city blocks your you gotta race, and so we did a bunch of it George. Did you know obviously more than I did but I want a couple of my day I want the damn gas down Graham. In Vancouver, which was an amazing race I don't know why that's not around anymore one. God what's the one up? It's not so much a creek because it's so hilly up there in central. Central California near Towel Right? Yeah. Aren't thereafter especially after you win the tour, a lot of exhibition credits and your body city Nevada city classic was thank you George. There's the yeah. After this tour, you'll see back appearance fees to show up. Yeah. You just show up those are more. They are truly exhibition They're not exactly right. You know when when I was beaten Mario, Cipollini in the sprints as I was wearing the Jersey. But those are those are those are. Ticketed events. So they've they've not just shut down the roads where the courses they fence off the entire. Small. Part of the town so people have to pay to go in. So that's how they make money and. That's those are those are huge right the ones in. Belgium Holland massive crowds people wanted to I got a really good post tour criterion story but I gotta run and by the boss later on whether or not I can tell it. Oh. For tomorrow for tomorrow, save tune in tomorrow he lets me do it. It's pretty funny. All Right James Writes FD NY if your American you know what? That means Fire Department New York lieutenant here. Thank you to the move for the remembrance. After a hard twenty four I always look forward to catching the move. He's a awesome twenty four hour work shift. Yeah. We appreciate your service to. Let's see Damon Rights. It's Damon here from Australia, loved the show and when you came to race tour down under in two thousand, nine in Adelaide was buzzing like never before what would it take to entice you back to Australia? Well not much. Actually. Georgia Nov we're supposed to go here in a few months. I think. Any any travel plans, I mean we had our camp and in my Orca that we had to postponed due to Kobe. Our trip to Australia obviously postponed. But Dude I always I don't. I might get kicked out of America for something at some point I would do something dumb enough. They'll just say all right Armstrong out here. And I'm going I'm going either. I would head to if the take me I would go back to Australia or New Zealand I love New Zealand. So it's just that part of the world. I would go to Columbia I'm sure you would see a in I would also love France but based on that last clip I just best not go because I won't know what's going on so I go to Australia and I can understand what's happening but we will be back there I love that country and and by the way to a country that's mad for cycling. Now like the tour down under I'll I'll never forget the reception there Natalie two, nine it was nuts. Yeah. That race was superfund. Money started they were like Oh. This is this goofy. Oh, we've got to go to Australia to bike race like and they have made that thing has become sustainable. It's now I mean you Georgia did it early days like Oh my God Big. Show, up big names I mean it's not just a feel good early season thing. Let's try to globalize the sport. That's that's a real race what you take like that tour down under right and where it falls in the year, and then also these young guys that are cross racers. Yeah. His the off season gone away compared to how it used to be a main for for A. and. MVP proudly by the way to just real quick on tour down under that none of that would have been possible. Without Mike tertre. The. Founding race director I think is retiring that that event never happens. It never grows to be what it is. It never has significant set it has without Mike tertre. I mean, he was the man agreed with that our good friend suit or grade he's taking it over now. Yep, I read that. He's got big shoes to fill. 'em Rights and you might need to explain this expression means but most people know it is burn all rope a doping. I think is trying to seem more no normal from no not if he's producing the best watts, he's ever seen and you might want to explain what that expression means. I think most I mean rope a dope lady was. Athletes in the world, and then it became really a tactic and boxing where you pretend like you're. You're getting week. You hide in the corner you cover up let the guy to swing at you like thirty times and all of a sudden he gets tired and you turn go Bam here in the fucking nosing knock him out the Bernal. Is Not Rope a doping. He's not I mean he's he definitely did not want to lose time on yesterday stage We can't count him out and he won the Tour de France last year but he's like I said earlier on the back foot right now on the subject of any oss a our rights. Do you think they're regretting not having Thomas or from there Oh. That's actually that's a great question and we don't know the answer to that what will do with the way grandmoms Thomas is going right now in three. No. Potentially so he's he's riding with a little bit of anger. Obviously, he tried to play Nice and good on him for plan. Nice for being excluded but. You don't win the tour and be who he is. You know a potential hall of Famer. And then get excluded not be pissed off. I would be absolutely livid. So I think they're missing GERN Thomas for sure. But I think in greatest Chris from is our was or whatever. If he's leaving the team, you can't take him. We talked about this earlier, and before the tour, you don't take a guy that's leading the team you never ever do that and. They don't regret that. But looking looking at now they I'm sure they regret not taken guarantees. Agreed. Very good. If you have questions, you're very agreeable and this is this is something change in Youtube Georgia both in such a good. Hey, we're we're halfway through the tour two-thirds two-thirds he. You're right. Actually it's only eight. You Buddy you better. Soak it up. You got another week of me. All right. Let's make a good one. Send US comments the move it we do not and check into yawn show. The smartest man in cycling he gets everything right? I would love to know what he thinks about. Tell me later what he's he's picking for tomorrow. Okay. Please do. All right. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you guys. Tomorrow when we talk about Queen Stage. Seeing the stooges.

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173: Ellingworth takes the wheel at McLaren

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1:08:35 hr | 1 year ago

173: Ellingworth takes the wheel at McLaren

"You listening to the cycling podcast in association with Rafeh the fastest clothing in the world. Tour the home name cycling with Character Bryan Watch with Rafeh in two thousand nine hundred nineteen as they partner e F education fast and canyons throb title we are outside the Nutria in. What's what's to see? The yard called Kohl's coal drops yards arts whole drops yard nuts right. London kings cross the meuse bar with cycling theme anyone's passing. You Might WanNa drop in a very nice flat white. Yup You're right for that and we're joined by Daniele sleeper and Jeannie change every week. I haven't really been keeping trial. No very very consistent and I can be mangled every every week accusing me of mongering a fake name. I've just made up for you. I mean honestly Extraordinary Daniel Free in Berlin studio. How are you Danielle Lem Ceramic Room? This this week as I think lost this time I'm GonNa Swing Pool Changing Room. None and I was in my lounge but Booth McQuillan issues impact and napalm us. It's been in Catalonia. Alenia having a did you see any of the any of my belongings stolen on the welter of someone else in Igwe. Lada the NO I. I wasn't in igwe ladder. That was just a stream of Your possessions just strewn. I just assumed that was where you bane dropping them as you went. Let's Daniel free look alikes aches wandering around Girona you make a very funny reference to that very unfortunate incident in your in our new book Lionel. I like Monday. I'm struggling to remember you. You're assuming when you when you came to write the by the it would be beyond the time of causing any offence. Tsk Daniel only take it in good spirit. I guess we'll find out why I'm worried slightly worried about the grand tour diaries my contribution because I realized I only he wants side completed my two thousand nine hundred dollars just how much of my contribution with levelling scores with Danu pronunciation of time. I can eat things things and where I'm allowed to have coffee and so on I've really have got my own back for separate semi a copy shop didn't get chance to preach discreet any of this. I was GONNA say you might be hearing my lawyer. Parking areas probably saying could be a problem. Nine wait a minute anyway. We'll have a lawyer. Just for the avoidance many times. It's all coming from a very good place very affectionate Senate. Well here we are. What's going on in the cycling world? You mentioned airline will. You're just back from Catalonia Girona to be precise. And what were you doing there. Well I can't quite say yet richards for a project for twenty twenty which isn't quite over the line yet but he's very close to being confirmed firmed. Soon as I can let you know what that is you'll be you'll be literally to fourth or fifth tonight. Do what is your not telling our listeners. That's let's find I. I can't tell I was in a very glamorous place yesterday. I was in woking just to the south of London where the headquarters of McLaren McLaren Ours Malcolm McLaren Technology Centre quite extraordinary futuristic place and which has been the home for the last few weeks serve few months relief for Ron elving worth. WHO's been plotting? Twenty thousand not take charge of the Bari team which won't be called Barry Morita. We'll have McLaren in the in the name. We don't know that configuration yet. But that will become clear very soon and that will hear a bit from ailing worth thrown this episode by signing Mark Cavendish about losing Rohan Dennis and some of his plans for twenty twenty but now interview. The bulk of is for a friend special. The last one twenty nine hundred. We'll let next week and but let's crack on with This week's show shall we. What's in the news roundup? Well it's not really. We're going to do a news ramble. I think only a few talking points. I think you guys both want to chip in on Sean. Just go through in sort of random order. The first thing on the list is the fact that the two of California the -Fornia is going to take a one year hiatus or at least I hope it will be just a hiatus rather than a than a cancellation. The to California came along long in two thousand and six I one by Floyd Landis of course and Levi Leipheimer won three in a row and while the list of winners it's got a pretty lustrous estrus list of winners really often that Rojas Chris Horner robot. Hey Sink TJ Vanguardia Bradley wiggins. Peter Sagan Julian Felipe. George Bennett Eggen Banal now and Taddei Pugacheva. I mean it's it's kind of morphed into a race. Okay fine you can sort of future talent has an in a way in an interest- interesting Thing thing that just occurred to me now is pizza. Gone is gone there every year. It's been a really important race for him. Think with the specialized connection and so on and yeah. He's writing the name so you wonder if he had a tip off for by this news nuts you know maybe men the Jira can be on his program. Okay I'm not. I think you've been out to the Tier California. I'm Daniel when it was an earlier in the year. Yea I went a couple of times and first addition two thousand six in the third edition two thousand thousand eight and they were fantastic raises for space reasons that we're very particular to those additions the first one while. Well you know being the inaugural edition. There was a lot of excitement about it. was also a battle of californian-based riders at the time. So it was Floyd Landis Levi Leipheimer and then the third year it was remarkable for the presence of rock racing Michael Bull's team A lot of lessons will remember that they turn it with skull and crossbones kit and they had Mario cipollini making a comeback over Johnny. He was caught but mark calmed issue with one leg with one leg. Yeah Yeah and Young writer did that to Cavan dish. you're listening. Yeah challenge the SCO skull on the Jersey with them a a true to life representation of what actually happens to said young writer him but they also this bizarre situation where they had tyler the Hamilton Oscar Syria and I think Santiago Patera who were basically barred from the race by the organization. They'd all been involved in Parochial that's your Puerto and they wrote the race ahead of the real race or they wrote the cost the head of the real rate so that was all good funding games but generally speaking back then then when he was running February it used to really feel that the first main event of the season and there was a disproportionate amount of interest concentrated on those early stage races races in particular especially when there is really targeting them and you know have made no bones about the they wanna go for the win. which was the case of the Californian pros and the US based pros at the time? And I always felt when it moved to May was very much overshadowed by the Jiro. Lot was is made as well if the weather on the fact that you know it was going to be advantageous to move to May because often can be quite wet in California in February births him. I felt that what we've had in. May that what I've seen if the race has been quite sort of sterile sterile kind of almost including the weather the fact that the weather is a lot. More consistent almost highlight the fact that. US racing can look quite sort of sterile and into calculus really on TV with the very wide roads and and You know bright sunshine but sometimes some of the the best racing in those early editions came when the weather was pretty nasty but it does mean the US without Well tour stage race for both men an and women. I think that's right rich. You know the women's well to calendar better than I probably let me turn up because there was a Colorado classic this year which was just women am Every stage won by Cloy diker Owen and let me check carry-on within usually end up Lionel. So we all know to California next year remember course course it was sponsored by Amgen who make well basically make ep don't they it was It was a very strange partnership that particularly in two thousand and six when cycling really was marred in the operation Plateau scandal which broke that year sticking with scandal. Alexandra and Alexander Colombo have been cleared off race fixing now. This goes back to the two thousand ten edition of liaised Stanley Age and the allegation was that we know are off. Bought the wind from Colombo half and Belgium prosecutors tried to make this case stick they. He claimed the the one hundred and fifty thousand euros of being paid by inaugural to coordinate and well. I watched the final kilometer of the rice on Youtube earlier on this morning and I mean Columbia. If doesn't put up much of a fight in the final kilometer has to be said but vinokurov claimed that his email could have been hacked the email chain detailing the deal inverted commas could well have been place them maliciously but well anyway. The that case hasn't stock. It was always just slightly curious one this and maybe I'm not terribly squeamish about the the buying buying and selling of races I I. I'm I should be down your I don't know what do you think I am. I am I too old school. This is the the financial arrangement between riders which was always kind of the the unwritten unspoken thing that sometimes went on in in Rice's big and small? Is that something that we should be the More alert to in this day and age. I mean I was thinking about this the other day and really in this case it only really concerned those two riders in the sense that the race was was. We decided anyway wasn't in the sense that it was going to be one of those two riders and you know not point that responsibility responsibility I suppose you know he's to their respect to sponsors and Sort of way that that up and of course there is a responsibility to the fans. This is well and you know that's where I suppose you know the charge with the allegation or the idea that it constitutes fraud. The mainly comes about I think but yeah I'm not squeamish about either really No I will be then I mean I think we're money changes hands. It moves into different realm. I mean deal. Making is fine and it's partly intrigue of of road racing teams forming alliances writers forming alliances. Helping each other. I may be gifting a stage win in exchange for something else on the road but a financial transaction so how many stories rich stories loads of stories. That's why this this was an interesting case because it might have a red line because it has been I suppose Part of the sport forever ever. I'm not sure that really. I'm not sure that it still is. I don't think in the in the modern era and You know the the the the writers are being paid a lot more for one thing. I mean you know back in the day in the eighties and saw they weren't they weren't being paid that much but it it sort of feeds nicely into this caricatured image. We have of Vinokourov as this cartoon villain doesn't doesn't is do as have other rumors or sort of salacious conjecture about the two thousand twelve road race at the Olympics six weather. Also there's also been talk of him having bought the rate from Rigoberta. Ron Not sort of a rumor. That's not going away to unsubstantiated substantiative got nothing really to back that up except the optics of of the last few hundred meters and Iran appearing to put much in the sprint also runs luxury luxuriance. resort in the shed joke. Joke joke is absolutely untrue. Just I don I see I can see I can see certainly in this day and age. I mean one of the one all of the issues is that the people the public can can gamble on the outcomes of bike races. And I think that's probably not something that you couldn't have done in the seventies and he's right is at least not as widely. They're being you might be able to place that the race itself but I think the fact that it's now such such a such an opportunity for fraud effectively or corruption. If if you start paying for rice wins. I think that maybe the rules of the game has changed a little bit. But it's some it's an old as the hills isn't it right is is Coming deals and either promising how in the future I mean what. What's the difference average if you if you say well? We'll help you today or I'll help mu today or you have this thing arrangement rather than a financial one. Well what Yeah but Okay Ka Tennis match all you can win this round and then I'll win next next month thin another tournament. I mean it's nor is it. The the moral is the same. You're still racist different. It by racing is different tennis. Because in bike racing you do need allies and you do need to use other writers and other teams on there can be agreements are spoken or unspoken. And that's part of the sport on there will be teams with objectives of winning stages and other teams the objective of winning overall. And they can help each other. I'M GONNA go. She Ation on wheels between sports directors. You know you put to write it on the front to chase them. We'll put to write it on the front to chase for example or an agreement between riders not to chase somebody in a break. You know whatever happens to be but we're supposed to expect expect that there's a Carinthian should've known ability to an negotiation stops at the point where somebody might get a check book how I don't know I mean it's a it's a wonderful world to imagine but I don't know whether or not son necessarily realistic and it's it's either it's written or universally understood the part of the nature of competition is everyone gives their best to win in Tennessee mentioned tennis. You can actually get Don't doc points in nick. Indeed him has been points as neo. Penalized in some in some ways have been fined or dot points for this phenomenon. They call intended tanking. I not giving his best again because there's an understanding there's a feeling that is unfair with with regard to the public with regard to sponsors with regard to TV companies yet. I mean it's. It's a difficult one to serve slice and dice but I guess it comes down down to being against the rules very all. Don't forget the rules. Don't forget rules. The fastest clothing in the world tour the home of cycling with character right and watch with rather in two thousand nine hundred nineteen as they partner e F Education Fast and Canyon. Strobe Frankie NCUA Rafeh for their sponsorship title sponsorship of Cycling PODCAST and If you want to have a look at some lovely winter ish clothing go to Rafeh Dot. Cc New a new item in the explore range. The technical pullover on who'd he sleeps very nice First I autumn winter. Somebody on social media gave me a hard time for tweet lives wearing thermal shorts in fourteen degrees a Canadian listener. Who is Most perturbed on I think I was exaggerating the temperature. I think it was more like eleven or twelve ten eleven twelve sort of range not fourteen so I think thermal shorts were justified and they were very comfortable and that's the main thing so go to refer DOT CC at sea whales else. They have available for the winter. Lionel were still meandering through your news. Roundup that you only give us a few quick far bullet point quick at five points. Just I'm just just concerned myself in trouble with my attitude to buying selling race in the first part that's why basically I think both grown commonsense both wrong and understandable. Does that. Make it better. I don't don't know proper. Just inspired. By the tennis example we might start in the podcast. Ask docking docking something for not trying in the podcast. You're getting things were to if you were to apply that grueling cycling while you you couldn't apply could you because because how often. How often do people sit talk with the referee with referee with kind of a whip arrive silver medal in London for TAB? Barking at people through through with Clarkson accent loudspeaker behind the Peleton as soon as someone up or even pose off the framing the group. After you've let the break go out to eleven minutes right now eh. Well a few quick five bits of news from the last week. That's been some racing on the track and also outdoors doors so The the thing that really caught the eye of everyone I think was Filippo. Ghana the young Italian Rider Rajon team any auto course breaking the world individual pursuit you record at the World Cup in Minsk not once but twice he broke it in qualifying and has lowered the world record four. Oh two point. Six four seven that was in his final against great. Britain's John Archibald really stand out performance from Ghana ivory struck by just the physical shape shei-pa of Ghana when ours in the MIC zone at the world championships in Harrogate and learn from our frontier. Anemia that Ghana's father was a would've sprint canoeist Roya Canola. I'm was took part in the you say roast canoeist hang on what was a sprint canoeist list sprint canoeing. I believe so. Yeah Yeah it's canoeing yes Joy and he competed at the Olympic Games in Los Angeles. Nine hundred thousand four and Ganor certainly has kind of you know. I thought row because he he looks like a row at face similar in stature to sort of Taylor Phinney and you do wonder Bradley weakened even era. He's he's powerful isn't as a whole but striping he's powerful tool in the May back when the world pursue a couple years ago in London as well on the track where he's very young data and he looked fantastic on the bike and he's not done an awful lot on the road. He was a team member for a couple of years. moved to move to sky slash any offs and still a thing has talent lies mainly on on the track at the moment but the certainly a raw power there that should be able to should be able to translate translate into maybe classics races. Did you chop it only twenty three. Did you notice pick up on Any difference in this of levels levels of squeamishness about how much technology had contributed today Swat seems like a bit of a quantum leap in Shootings Cola Houla is all new to me as against the reaction and the sort of sniffing us about KIP Cho- gays. which I know was not aw in an official Marathan but there was so much talk about his vapor fly Nike shoes when he brought to a couple of weeks ago in the sort of marathon demonstration that he did for meals? I don't know about that. I mean I think we're less squeamish by about kit generally in cycling in 'cause it's such a part of the sport and over the loss since Chris Boardman in ninety two the bike you just except that the bike is is a big part of of of tracks take them and translates at the vanguard of development equipment development. Well I it's funny. You mentioned because last week of course British cycling unveiled their new bike for the Olympic Games in Tokyo. Next -ext year. A collaboration between two. It's basically an engineering project. Isn't it really and bears the name of Lotus. Which of course was the famous Chris? Boardman bike back in the ninety S. It's an extraordinary looking thing. I mean the the rear section to me I mean it doesn't look pretty to me. I'm effectively this is You talk about star over substance. They're rich when it comes to clothing closing but this this is obviously effective. It's obviously aerodynamic. But it doesn't look particularly pretty and I think that's one of the one of the interesting things the the strides being made in aerodynamics and in efficiency well having just come from McLaren You you know again. The the Formula One is even further along that route obviously than than cycling on the inside the McLaren trend space age building. There was a lot of rooms. That were had frosted glass because the engineers in there working on the next year's Formula One in car and you're not to see it obviously. I was staggered to hear that there are three thousand people work in that building. They're walking fo's none of them. Were working fulltime on for the formula. One team only four to seven percent of next year's car will be the same as this year's car and that's the same every year. Wow and they just tweaking rebuilding. And they've got a computer simulator. This producing a new design for the car every fourteen seconds. It's mind blowing the the the tax and equipment on invention KIP children as well. And I the A message a complete circle from Ed Caesar to mention this actually add Caesar's right through robot called two hours on the quest to break two hours for the marathon and and he messaged me. I hope he doesn't mind meeting the thank you. Well you said if you ever need anyone to come on to discuss the incredible new drafting formations formations. Any US trial during the jobs higher. Cycling team effectively took over are running event. I'm happy to blige. And I think this has been underplayed or not. Recognized recognized the the rule of Dave rails in that event I mean Bradford hotter kind of overseeing row when you look to the the formation of the runners around chill the aerodynamic theory behind that and not just right in front of him but behind him to who was very did come from cycling and of course I wonder I wonder what the effect of the cars in front as well. I mean that's why I watched the the the two hour marathon attempt. I did wonder that was it was A. It was a notable that there were two or three front directly in front. Don't quite close as well. I'm not taking away. Still incredible know extrapolate too far but we did see Dave breastfeeding conversation with them. Johny Salvia didn't we at the Pierre on numerous occasions. The maestro of he thinks sobbed genius. Yes it could. Well be another another another one on the CV. Yeah Anyway. I should just say that the new British cycling track by COLLABORATION BETWEEN HOPE Technology. Ah component manufacturer and Lotus Engineering. Of course another link with the automotive world as well so we'll see we'll see that in action and well the track World Cup continues in Glasgow this coming weekend outdoors. In in the MoD the cyclocross world owed welcome back. Matthew Vander Pol his first events of the season he raced the Super Prestige Rueda Vodka and one European championships at the weekend and sticking speaking with off road. He things Peter Setina the writer. Who until well until now being racing trek Sigfredo is swapping the world tour? Oh for an alternative calendar of gravel events such as of road and grandma event such dirty candidature and Leadville kind of following ringnes. The likes of Lachlan Morton ten king. I it's interesting because we're talking earlier about the nature of road racing in the US and our colleague illegal Rogers CYCLING TIPS A poll on twitter. By which was the most prestigious race in America and among the two or three of Utah. Utah dirty cancer. I think to if you only just nudged ahead and I think perhaps the future for racing in America's that sort of you know wild west gravel racing off road stuff because that could look really spectacular and it's building a lot of momentum and if you know if American can racing is going to have a unique disdained identity that could be it you know just to go back to their their point. Lionel there are no women's world through a racist in the US next next year with the Constellation of the tour of California. But you know as events like California take a hiatus on people would be surprised to see it come back races. Arctic are really charging forward and I could perhaps become the thing around which road racing advert Causes Palmas. Where will succeed where mountebanks looks good? I I think it looks. It's just it's different to mountain. biking cross country entry minded biking is not a great spectacle to watch it at thing whereas on gravel roads and start woods. You can still have Peleton's you can breakaways not to the same extent as you Kinda road-race ace by think there's something there that could capture people's imagination could work on TV a stage race when Yeah Daniel what do you reckon into that Graffeo. Stay tracing the future. That is a possibility napalm You know I've often thought it was a little bit of a shame. Sometimes the I'm cyclocross Lehman and someone who needed to be sort of convinced of the merits of sergeant 'cause sometimes it's a shame that it doesn't take place on maybe point to point. Courses of course is the most out in the wilds rather than a kind of adopted kids playground or well you know I mean the ones that the one I went to near Antwerp I forget the name of it. Was it near Antwerp. No scaled across. It was a bit like that you. It was a adventure playground pretty much with a car park here in a little bit beach there and and not not sort of inspiring in the same way that some of these gravel races all. But I think he's sort of interesting to think of imagine that this sort of The inner dialogue of kind of pizza. Statin away when he's he's kind of been weighing how to make this work financially in the pros and cons. I can well imagine that someone like him. Who is a solid domestique burn? He's not going to be ending. A huge amount of money might be in six figures. I'm not sure four year. We might have been. How's he going to make this work financially? And I I just think about the things you could do a ride up particularly prominent writer. Who's going to be finishing hopefully in the top five or or serve these races and I think the law the browns could probably do with social almost exclusively with social media media? Because they're not going to be getting that logo necessarily on on TV. I didn't know how dirty cancer for example or Leadville off televised in what capacity televised. Probably not no not much at all but you do see a lot. We have seen a lot on social media and you can do on social media. You can do a lot with go pros and and then you know if I think from the point of view of a for example Cliff bar or you know a sunglasses manufacturer or the science and Sport for example. Our friends at Science Sport I think there is a lot of scope to use one ride one participant in these races. Prominent writers kind of leverage bronze three those avenues through social media out these races and there's probably not scope for twenty. He is to be doing that but suddenly you know one or two. I think that the you're right and your real scope to capture the imagination in a in a slightly slightly different way. I mean I only think back to when connor down and Larry Wabash went on there no go towards as a direct reaction to their team collapsing from under them. I'm and not being able to ride the tour Britain that an incredible following a in a in a very short space of time and while we made they kept Ayar. We didn't I for Friends of the PODCAST which people can go back and listen to which was again a completely different way to engage with with a cycling event and it wasn't official in any kind. And why I. I'd also say that on the rougher youtube channel with a viewing figures for the that the off the beaten track events like Leadville like GOP candidate the silly to walk yet the the pro racing. But I do think that a lot of that is because this is still a new world people they I. I couldn't visualize what these events looked like until I watched those films and now have a greater understanding of them but I do think that's great potential that for a different front type of storytelling. Whether you'd sit down and watch two three hours off leadville dirty. I'm not sure perhaps you would but it's to be consumed in a different wire also napalm just thinking about it from pizzas destinies point of view and from a lifestyle point of view. I mean the way he described his values made. It sounded incredibly appealing. Certainly the contrast with his lifestyle on a world tour team and You know it's interesting setting that against the backdrop of what what for example Moscow kit. WHO's been saying? He gave an interview to a few journalists them when he was down in Japan for the criterion by talking about the sort of grind. And how it's not for every personality type life on the world changed over the last fifteen or twenty years he. Is You know there are more training camps more time away from home suddenly most teams more odd main more kind of scrutiny. From your own team. We've talked about this before you know. Sort of uploading slowed in training falls every day and and having to be accountable. Really for for everything. Everything that you're doing and yeah that's a big difference between that and the kind of life and career second career. The pita statiners is embarking on. I think podcast team cars the back of the Tax Lisa. PK The voice of Radio Tour to France to remind us to tell you that this episode a sponsored by stitch fix now Richard and I both being getting deliveries from stitch fix. And you can too if you go to stitch fix dot co dot. UK forward slash. Josh Cycling That's S. T. C. H. F. I. X. Dot Co dot UK forward slash. Cycling now is stitch fix. I hear you ask now. This has taken all of the stress. Our clothes shopping for me. Certainly I've had to delivery so far. I kept everything in the first delivery and in the delivery the came this month so I kept pair of trousers and kept shirt which I will be wearing on our forthcoming tool. 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Well Adam is on your meal will be there as well on the twenty fifth for him. Well Adam Blythe with a British national champion during his career a Belgian three time Belgian national champion Steinbi- Volta has also retired after New Year with Carlton. Circus probably best remembered for his back to back wins at the tour of Flanders where he was very much the decoy McCoy writer for Tom Bonin lurking in quickstep. Ranks behind devoted would would go up the road and everyone basically sat satin. Watched him do it. Not just once but twice to very impressive to a flounder victorious Voter but he is retiring a ride. WHO's not retiring hiring but is is free in another sense? We think is Sam Bennett. Of Four hundred Gra well only for a few more weeks yet because ause he is well being some dispute about the status of his contract with Boron. Scroll made no secret of the fact that he wants to leave the team. Richard but I think why summit the ruler Classic. We should mention real our closet. We did an event. They're excellent event over the weekend last weekend. And but some Bennett was there to uh and I one of our listeners actually spotted the in the borough Hans core team building exercise a couple of weeks ago it was a lineup on all the writers appear to be there apart from Sam Bennett and so I asked some whether you know why wasn't in the picture and he said something had come up and the many attend end. But he's certainly I mean they couldn't quickstep have been on his Case trying to sign him pride home a couple of weeks ago who said but spoken throughout the Turkey but joined the team that very keen to have the kind of neither replacement fairly. Vivian money on experience and proven sprinter. Couple of young guys but Bennett. If he goes to I think it will be a very good fit. There is no sprint designed the expression. They've gone from cavendish to Capitol to Vivani to am. I missing some candidates biondi to uncover and Kyrie area. I vowed I don't forget Ali now. The other big story. That's rumbling. Away is the medical disciplinary. Hearing into the Conduct of Dr Richard Freeman. Who of course was Dr team sky and British cycling cling well? The hearing was supposed to take place over a year ago wasn't being postponed and it's not quite go underway yet. Has It away as we speak today. Yeah it's been a bit delayed because they've been they've been changing the wording of one of the charges against him and it's now being changed and it's also interesting how it's becoming more and more of the order of test to jail testosterone and which was delivered to the velodrome to British cycling and was discovered covered the freemen claim to St Peters who took two thousand eleven stay spring of two thousand late spring two. Yeah exactly so. He claimed that it was sent in error by their nutritional suppliers and and but he sends it back. He said that he lied. That was actually ordered and it was about law. Things related in terms of Carinthia. FREEMEN's Freemen's competence to practice record keeping and so on but it seems to be censoring coverage century on this order of at tested tested Gel and it came last week that he was going to claim in the hearing that she ordered it for Shane. Sophon who was Obviously in the on the coaching staff there at the time and the the the the allegation concerned this against them which the accusation by GMC neither that he ordered it for a non athletes but in the belief that it was for an athlete ultimately so translating that he ordered it for. Shane Sutton believing that she is going to give it to an athlete. That's that's what that's what that means without prejudicing the outcome of the hearing just in admitting to having previously told lies in the whole process. Oh says that presumably that can only go one way. If your if your doctor you know you can't lie to a hearing hearing into your conduct and then sale of told lies up to this point and explain expect not to get struck off I would I would have thought. Yeah I mean I've spoken to a couple of other doctors. Tour's I'm who think that he will be struck off and I think for us and for anybody involved cycling. What's more important than that? And I said personal tragedy for him but what's more important is to get to the truth of what's happening particularly the other the other the TS Trimbe sit alone and the Jiffy bike. Mike these these do whether we like do inhabits grey areas testosterone dozen in have testosterone if an athlete for for writer is pure cheating. There's no there are no circumstances. Wishing athlete can be given testosterone so if it was for an athlete then we need to know who and we need to know whether this is a one off which seems unlikely or are no and so we need. We need Freeman said. Had that he will having told lies in the you know when he says he's told lies suggests that there's more than one thing that might come out. He needs to tell the truth truth and that that will be an David Walser. Some players that we can for him wherever happens if he tells the truth. There's a way bike for him in in some way shape or form at least in terms of his own sense of integrity. Am I think he needs to needs to say everything that you knows Ah Yeah and the the story that was initially spun out Walser. The Test Joe was delivered in era. And well we'll wait and see exactly what comes Tau in the hearing but it's a fundamental difference. If that was ordered deliberately by a doctor working for a sports team to have delivered to the the headquarters of a national governing body I mean. That's that's a completely different. Set of circumstances would be completely different. Best appointee out. Doesn't it traps. The freemen was acting for war and he was employed by British cycling team. Sky At the time I'm Ryan so yes and so the link with Shane Sutton as well as it's understood pretty much universally acknowledged except chain which very much Bradley Wiggins is guy said subtexts to a lot of this is or the. The question that we will be asking asking was was was this testosterone ultimately destined for four wiggins. The timing is also is also curious in the sense that it came well in this in this sort of late spring early summer when while the Jiffy bag incident happened it was also the season season when team sky at employed get landers the Belgian the controversial Belgian doctor who subsequently proven to of well sort of encouraged doping and overseen doping the rob a bank team years earlier. It was also we know when Bradley wiggins was taking king or the just before the Tour de France where we know that he took triumph dispute whether they should have been allowed to take that. That's all very key and as far as testosterone is concerned rich. You say there's no ambiguity about it I mean does it. Does it pass the feasability tests could or would ride. Who's going to do? The Tour de France have been minded to take testosterone. And that's a difficult one to answer. Testosterone is a substance that can be detected. The detection method is well over. The years is complicated story. The story of testosterone and how easily can be detected. And you have to go back To two thousand six and Floyd Landis disqualification from the tour. I realized that that was that was four testosterone to this day land disputes. The weather he took testosterone when the test Paisley he said he took testosterone. We know that in the last few years Sunday think speaking to people in anti-doping testosterone substance. That's used microdosing. That said have been very very few positive. Test for testosterone over the last few years inciting went back and looked and they've been a handful full of riders in the last ten years tested positive for testosterone curiously a lot of them from Iran of all places not many in major teams in some major. Aj Cycling Nations in two thousand fourteen Wad added the steroidal profiles steroid profile to the biological passport. which in theory should help testing agencies to detect testosterone on target? They're testing but that was two thousand fourteen and they saw predates that so the constitution. We're talking about the test. ajelle oldest was about a month's worth four for one person. They didn't order a cupboard. Full of it. There was nothing to suggest here that there was widespread systematic doping with testosterone. Going on either British hiking go team sky but it would have been enough to dope someone for for a month. I mean another another context. Here is that before he became a sports. Don't Sir Sir Freeman and this with brought both wanderers football club and was a GP and he did wrote. He ran on erectile dysfunction clinic that might be an important context who knows 'em he also while he was on British cycling ran a private clinic. One day a week em and and he did supply staff British Cycling Team Sky with medications staff members on their families. These are my notes from a couple of years ago and all this all this might be relevant and we can only hope that the truth comes out in the course of this hearing the cycling podcast supported by Science in Sports Science and sports fueled by science. Thank you very much to science and sport worked for their support of the cycling. Podcast you can get your twenty five percent off. All your signs of Sport Products Science Sport Dot Com with the code. Sis Cpi twenty-five as I twenty five and thank you signs in sport now. I mentioned that I went to McLaren them. A contact contact center yesterday to meet up with Rod Ailing Worth 'em he has taken over Bari Morita. They will have vein. You look at the next year and you name you. Luke and new writers Vincenza Niba around whom the team was really built in their early. UH early years. The first few years and he's moved on became Landa looks to be their main guy for G C and he will go to France as the leader Roy made it very clear that he won't have any internal competition for that while polls has gone there as well. And if got mark cavendish of course and You know one or two other impressive. Rightists monthly March didn't have a great year very exciting talent as well even Garcia Spanish writer who you know Luke Saville Filippo Ghana. He were talking about quite begging strapping and looks like he's got a lot of potential in the classics basics. So interesting to hear how. He's settling into his new job. Shall we hear from him now here is talking about signing mark common dish rush and losing Rohan. Dennis I think a Lotta people. All I'm vicious may be scared to push it to the limits schedule the bolt on the table and go and and it's a little bit like count is join this for next year. My point of view is you know. There's a hell of a lot of speculation speculation around you know he's finished everything else but you you you you you look at the facts and you think well no the. There's nothing to say he cannot win. You know I do want to do is. He may be a point where he won't win anymore. But there's one thing official damn well try. He's going to try for gas wig joyful gus wife he does win again. And he's a prolific again. He's only thirty. Four well experienced oldies. Love experience you know. It'd be a shame if we hadn't taken we don't Kucha Tight Campbell and that's for me is is about the But then again beep. If you have to send up to all say didn't quite work out premium we tried and I'll I'll I'll give anybody who are who so to you. slugged is off because of that. You know it's like who are trying hard here is it has a field to be. I mean he's somebody go back to our guests. Well fifteen ears was so now. Does it. Feel to be reunited. Lightness happen happen quite late. To be honest it wasn't like the bottom line. It wasn't the first thing we were thinking. Because just you know there was a lot going off with the team and so happened. Why I I think the him joining the team is if it's really well with McLaren you know? He's being unimpressive. Become time for a long time and some of the projects done in the past so that all works. Well you know I think marks that point where you know. It'll be a big story. If we can turn it around. You know which would be great firs. I think he knows he He's going to get the simple and just backing. You know what it is so yeah. We're super excited to be honest here. Will you be pushing him again now. I Won't be coaching. But you know he's like anything. I Oh you know. My background is coaching and not performance. So you know cost the whole team. I'm going to be. I WANNA be over the coaches. We got four fall four full-time coaches and I'll be all over them. In terms of performance plans. And what we're doing so it'd be very active Stephen around them guys are the risks. Sort of mentioned them there and taking on on Mark He's not a difficult difficult couple of years he's had it will have 'em are there was something to think about quite carefully before well. There's always racism. Waste isn't with everybody and suddenly when he's been sick for a couple of years or a good year in a bit. You know an had all the issues if you lie. Can somebody somebody who was a prolific winner and then lose. Confidence is always a question and you have to question. I mean we we. We sat down as a management group in said county win again and I was like like I think he can win again and if it was no don't think he can win again. I don't think he would've been here. This certainly isn't a meal ticket. I'll be really strong with him and set up and and to be fair to hate me. He's like I don't want it to be Milton. I want to work hard. I'm very I do think he's got over the illness I think he's in a completely different mind space now now in his career you know. And that's where I'm sort of saying he's experienced. He's not old is still you manually before and I think he's still got a good head of what was it. Felt like for you. Even led the team into a ratio. Don't if you're going to Australia to the third and under yeah Yeah why do you think it will feel for you to go from being the the someone who was in the background teams them. mm-hmm all crawl very important figure. You weren't you did tend to be in the background. How do you think it will feel free to be in the foreground to be the the main man in different? I think you know and you know if a moment I was one of the myself personally was one of the things I really did consider was was purposely at never mind talking to people and I'm doing things like that. Book did was a great experience in a really enjoyed doing that. But I wouldn't purposely put myself at the forefront at times I deliberately stood away from things but if you want to move on this new opportunities I know this is going to be one of my challenges in a white personally personally but I'll swing new to learn and I want to take your own. I will feel. Do you think to go up against your own your own team up we got you know the thing. Is I think you know. Obviously there with team in the. They've improved. Tom Tom Again. Boxing would be would be completely fat and if we only look to that. Because I think there's a couple teams who have really been close and on a given day very very competitive the not quite consistent yet but the when you think about is made think about Michigan skull the very close now. You still building in Yasser got a young team again. Who are already there but I mean yeah? I know what it's GonNa feel like when bumping today even Colorado of some hotel assuming pets I mean you're so identified with British cycling team sky. Why people might imagine that you're going to try and you know run this team in in in a similar way with with using similar ideas and so on but but do you feel like you have quite different ideas de thing that you can you know? Do some quite different with this team. Well you know I was fortunate to stall. Aw My coaching career recycling another thing. I very much learned the UK sport model and nothing world-class while they do and it's proved that time and time again and not just in cycling because all spoils so you know we learn methods that we learn ways of being of working with athletes and getting them to perform perform once every four years basically and then we purposely talk a little louder into the professional world and I remember clearly we save Dave quote it. Do you think we can do this. We didn't know we went for an worked and over that ten years and we've learned but a lot of that. What we've done is is a part of me as well? I've implemented in that so I only know I know I know what I think works. I'm open to ideas to me this this whole building here. We want to. You know the key reason why came here because I think there's some I don't know yet we gotta go learn and move forward. Ford is group but you can sort of just walking around the building. You can start to see some of the things that you think you'd like if we can bring that into sport could be something quite new so I've got a few ideas I wanNA do. I certainly got some ideas about the alignment. And how do you talk to people. And how do you inspire people autumn. Feel like I've ever really been out of never really been free to do that on my own. I coordinate now have the opportunity to do that. In in terms of technology and real cutting edge. I think you know I don't know man for that is for sure but definitely people associated now with our team like combatant who all and we'll do more doing that a and then I'll do everything I do. The interviews developing standards processes obsesses protocols is pretty straightforward. Is Boring stuff. But I'm on hidden and I want to hold them standards really high is it is a disappointment ruined. Dentist won't be part of the team did you. Did you speak German. Tried to tell him things. WE'RE GONNA change. Yeah I mean you know. It's out there Paul Salon three years started from the point of view. And that sort of. How do you win the ransom? What's what's team? Look like can you know. It was quite clear from a physical point of view. Of course you'd want bone on the team. No questions have been following his career. If you like for years can you see how talented he is. And from a point of view crosswind point of view climbing point view point view. He takes all the boxes so personally he was on my plan and yes we talked to him and had hardly any hot hardy any time with him really in the scheme of things. But it wasn't to be. I think there was a lot of water under the bridge and it wasn't going to around. I'm a full believer in other. It doesn't matter how long people contracted for if they feel like it's not for them off. Let 'em go anyway. We better off making a move. You know 'cause he ended up. Small world is a short life. There's not everybody be miserable. Well Rome wasn't built in a day. Hey rich but I always had the feeling right from talking to roll back. The Tour de France He would hit the ground running and just tackle the areas that he would want to tackle using the policy experience. He's had the British Cycling Academy and Team Sky. Sort of a real master organizers name organizer motivator I think and One thing that I would imagine become fairly clear over the opening few months take time everyone will be given a chance to to to fit in with the new way of doing things before he thoughts making huge changes. Angie's yeah I mean. He's an interesting the one thing he's not being before really has been the the the guy who's front and Center for the team. That'll it'll be a new thing from. We spoke about it but he's a quite unusual combination of of somebody who he's very detailed very into his planning and spreadsheets right sheets and but also very inspirational in a way. He taps into people's emotions he places great importance on really gained the no. The writers understand them and that goes way back to any words with the British Academy so while he ran a pretext shipbuilders quite disciplinarian canarian underneath it there was a real understanding of of the writers. And what would make them take them work. And it's quite unusual combination. The one thing he's not done before has been the guy who fronts up at the team bus speaks to John. Lewis speaks of media. I think not one thing that he'll have to get used to. I'm I'm sure he'll have something he can do. But it's not something he's been doing for ten years at team sky. It's a big change him. The rich isn't it because I suppose to use a football expression. You recall him tracksuit manager. I mean He. He likes his hands dirty tracksuit the trousers tucked into salt zone. You know he he. He's not afraid of getting down into the nitty gritty of you know organizing training camps. And did you know that kind of job. And he's always sort of busy ferrying. You know whether it be varying wheels from team one team car to another role always doing carrying out responsibilities that you would think might be might be more within the ream of lower lower-ranking members of staff so and to the emperor the kind of ayatollah figure on It will it will be different for for him when I mean if you go much. The idea about what kind of staff changes are going to be made there. Because of course you know I'm during the when the Austrian Slovenian doping scandal coming up Russian probation I was sort of that was unfolding and there were various links to what was then the Slovenian block of Bara Morita Milanez on a guy who wasn't listed on the on the team website. But we you know we thought was kind of pulling the strings at Bari Maria. He was sort of forced out of the picture and but nonetheless still very sort of strong kind of Slovenian block of mechanics twenty years and stuff. Do we know whether they're still going to be there. What's happening on the coaching front? Well I ask them about it. He said that all people have been moved on. He said 'em there are no links. That might come back to bite them. I mean as to whether that had also given him pause for thought. When that that that came I am doing the GOP? Because I don't think his Move had been nine at that point. He'd been Sunni. It's speaking to the team. They've got four coaches fulltime coaches. and which again is is taking the team sky and an almost all. The coaching is being brought in house. Though one or two riders will continue to art with with their own coaches. And but that's where rod wants to go. He wants to bring the coaching in house. And I am River Burgers Belgian. Sports director will be going. Yeah I mean. Roger Hammond is a key man. He's been brought on his performance director so not not just sports director performance. Mr Actor Tim Harris as well is going to be a sports director. He's never worked in the world through before we know him. Well Stephen Cycling am on a very Interesting appointment but yeah some. Some people are saying Tristan Hoffman. Staying on Wanted to sports directors. But you know I think it it will. It will take a year or two for him to really am feel at. The team is fully. Has I think that in year one. He's inherited a lot writers he will love tip. Cat Ruined Dennis as we heard there and it will be you know. He talked about a three year plan on. I think years two and three three the team of farm more resemble the team that he has in his in his head. I mean it was interesting McLaren. Daniel would have your much much better than your knowledge of sport than I am but I was given a tour of all the kind of the vehicles are there and air in Santa's old car and everything all on display and I was. I was giving a talk. The every every vehicle from Bruce. McLaren's Austin Austin all the way up to the most recent models and it reminded me of of its kind of To my tasting notes for wine and I really. I didn't think the guy who's giving it to disappointed. I didn't really have anything to say beyond. That's nice very nice. Do you know some of those cars can break the speed limit. Oh yeah they're very quick. Yeah apparently no formula one doesn't doesn't excite me either. Unfortunately but the collaboration and why McLaren clarinet into getting into cycling Fascinat- I didn't know this. But the the the link with ailing worth came up by because Macleod clar came. They were advised when they were safety officer cycling unit or looking at cycling. They were they they were. They asked the right and see who should speak to sign in high. We get involved in what we do at central. I may initially met Rod not with a view offering him a job or or employing him but just to tap into his knowledge ledge developed from there into him being offered this job so I didn't know that without that's how it came about. Just yeah sorry. From the point of view the nationalities. It will be interesting. Because you know it's a team with no real dominant nationality now there as you say Ritchie Point. Roger Hammond Tim Harries still be a Tim Kenya as well. I think broader Peter Kenyon. There'll be a few British members of staff but as far as the ride is a concern. There's no real dominant nationality not there and we've made that clear. Yeah the IT will be truly genuine international team. There's no pressure toll to favor

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28: Part 1: Gianni Mura and Milan-Sanremo

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28: Part 1: Gianni Mura and Milan-Sanremo

"This week we've decided to split the cycling PODCAST EPISODE INTO TWO PARKS. Initially part one. You're listening to the cycling outcast brought to you by Waka. Flexible loans bill. A small businesses I W. O. C. A. DOCO DOT UK. Hello my name's Richard Moore. I'm with Daniel Frey. Hello rich not entitled to the introduction of in the same year in London so no more Danielle free but in to me just just plain on at the moment. Yeah and online Bernie had I Richard Daniel. Hello well done about Utah. I'm a bit. I'm a bit tired today. After I did a seven hour tuner fifth third right on the turbo trainer. Yesterday I lost a lawyer someone. Who Was it. The weather being sing aloud epic or on the Tableau trainer. Yeah but I mean it was kind of pseudo reality wasn't that he was pro. Indoor cycling goes. It wasn't really my vision of indoor cycling. He's got he's got setup on a on his terrace and Dora overlooking the mountains. Even you could overcome your your fear and loathing of Andorra. Line without source. Say I was As you know I was a devotee of Turbo Training. My youth has we touched on briefly last week but. I don't know if I'm going to upset any response. I didn't think I am by saying they. Spy I was shocked at how expensive Tabar train is on now. I had a quick yesterday smart trainers but after being more remortgage the Chateau to afford one off to say though And just to just to repair some of the damage just done in the last few seconds by Daniel to any Amazon. So that makes no no no. But it's a completely different experience. I mean it's like comparing sailing with power. Boating you know going going to smart trainer is compared to turbo. Trainer is is. I mean I I use one. I think eighteen months ago or so and I was blown away by the different experience. Not Not trying to sell them or anything but it is a completely different different thing anyway. 'em Chops how are you? How are you both coping? We're we're all. We're all kind of locked down nights. It's vague enough as a bit noise here at my end. Because the builders next door carrying on regardless and which is just symptomatic of a certain vagueness in the UK. But how are you both coping with Being House burned well going back to the previous discussion about the TUB. I mean You know small trainers They they sort of well. I'm probably infamous for not liking GIMMICKRY and You know Well my loathing window sucking is well known but yeah this sort of minimalist spot in existence is something of appeals to me anyway. I feel like I've been training for this for the last ten years. So it's not that much of a readjustment for me. I mean on on uh sort of serious semi series rightfully talk of the moment about an preserving some mental health and looking after people's mental health. And you know this debate about whether you should or shouldn't be riding bike and exercising's feeds into that but I think maybe what's being ignored slightly is that for some people's mental health is probably and quite salutary in the sense that you know the sort of introverts among as we're constantly trying to dial down the level of stimulation number of decisions we have to make on a daily basis. And you know from my point of view sort of going to shop on the rare occasions I do go shopping and not really having any choice in the matter I find quite refreshing personally but I know that's not everyone's experience interesting. I mean I spy well. We've always been free launches for a long time. Haven't we all think I'm kind of used to working on my own? A home having having my family here all the time which the thing. I'm adjusting to because normally I would be able to lock myself away and and and and carry them working now have to consider other people which is I mean. It doesn't come naturally so yeah I've got an eighteen month old running about in the garden from my point of view the TURBO TRAINER SETUP. Ready for a spin afternoon probably reactivate swift. Which I've used before speaking of which Mitch Dockers Life in the Peleton episode. This week will be worth listening to as we all adjust to training indoors. It's with his coach. Kevin poked and who was also Hayman's coach in twenty six Dane steam when human crashed newsflash like he's classic payments over but he trained indoors on. Swift. I'm one Zero Bay. It's kind of the story of of slightly of that but but more from the kind of the benefits of indoor training. So that's worth listening for. That will be released on Wednesday life in the Peleton on our feet. But from from my own point of view I will probably point the The TUB trainer and the bike so that I can look out the back door of my office into the garden and Maybe as temperatures warm up my even move the turbo outdoors onto onto the decking and idea on the turbine training. There was a really good interview. Tiba. Pino did with France Television yesterday in which he talks about turbo training. And he he just sort of savage forest dweller like myself you know man of the natural world and he's not really He's not really into smart trains and so on but I mean he did make a point that I'm not considered before the sweat an awful lot when you all using the type of China and he's a loose so many mineral salts if you do very very long sessions a lot of very long sessions. It's actually very bad for you but I mean there are ways to compensate for that Proper hydration well yes indeed early plug for science and Sport and well. Let's let's let's get into this week's probably very long episodes and and you know this is a challenge for us in this in this period. It's an opportunity as well. We're aware that some of you will be listening to this podcast to get away from as a release from news of KUNA virus equally. Some of you will be listening to hear the latest news about viruses as it released professional cycling and how it's affecting writers teams and races said. We're to try and balance our coverage over the coming weeks. Starting today reflecting on some past races fresh interviews with some of the rightist caught up in this and and in this spirit in the first part this episode. We're GONNA be talking about all things milan-sanremo reliving. Last year's win by Juliana Fleet with his teammates tempted Clark as St Bar will also throw on hearing from Marco penalty the former writer. Who's not a C C C coach Did I say see? See see coach who lives embargo. Which is the epicenter of the Krona Virus Crisis? We've also got interview with F. Pro cycling boss. Jonathan vaulters about the latest developments. And we'll also get the first installment of lockdown with Larry Larry War by surveyed. You two are and with his thoughts about how he's dealing with with things that might become a regular feature. We're hoping to hear from other writers as well as a school zone. 'em But I think one of the things that struck me is that maybe Ni- we can all relate to writers have a long-term injury. I was watching an old Milan Sunday video featuring Henrik hose ler and he was talking about being of action and not really sure when or if he could come back and also thinking about your evidence special with Marlon Bernard Eisele Daniel. M You know the situation is things done. We're all kind of collectively the long term injury or you know that's kind of what it feels like an that sense of uncertainty and missing and really missing it and something we can probably all relate to that better why. I think particularly something that I've got from Heinrich House for the last couple of years. I mean I think I talked about on. The podcast is a chance meeting with him for a couple of years ago when he was pretty convinced. A career was over and just observing speaking speaking over the last couple of years at racist He feels he's been given us sort of a tenth life and he's going to end extract the absolute maximum from that. And He. He really seems to be someone who's loving just being races and being able to compete and being healthy again. Daniel you say a challenge meeting I mean this is. This is a spinoff series. Isn't it Lunden with out out carries eventually eventually when we're all allowed to go out for lunch again and your lunch and you can do chance meeting with so far? We Got Digging Coleman Hausler Mick Bennett Bert Spin off turbo training with Daniel Free. And actually we've got special episode come out devoted largely to 'em more details to follow We don't have a new up this week but there is some news that we wanted to deal with the star of the show. Isn't there Lionel yet? Very sad news The the veteran and very highly respected Italian journalist Johnny Murtagh Also known as putting toe for reasons. Daniel explain shortly passed away this week and we're going to hear a little bit of Jenny. Mears voice hit me kill. Some a common acronym Squadron Lucia panic. Fatto that in general in concord so the voucher try did eventually Bettini show night narrow. Pena mini budget my acquittal. That was the voice of Johnny Murtagh Chops On an Italian chat show a few years ago when he was being asked about his profession he was being honest about some of his writing and they some metaphor it come up with four team. Time trials and he'd like likened it to champagne because champagne is made with three three grape varieties. One is Pinot Noir Pinot Muni Chardonnay and Johnny was explaining there. How in the champagne region is three grapes that yield very much? They're not they're not all that great or they wouldn't be. I'm single varietal. Wines but you put them together and they they add up to this you know. They cannot up to the task wine if they sort of compensating each other in the right way but that was sort of typical of of the way he saw the world the way he saw cycling he was real bony revolving restaurant critic as well. And it's just been. It's been an interesting to observe lost a couple of days. Since that just how much his work resonated there's been been tribute videos from Michelle Platini Platini? The the French footballer. Who played in Italy? The eighty s and Johnny Moore covered football as well and for most of us who have covered the last few decades. He was unmistakable. He became famous for being the last journalist. Suddenly at cycle races to use a typewriter used Olivetti fifty one off fifty one fifty three machine. Which which you know in itself became the mythical object in the in the press room. You'd hear him tapping your way. You would seem that Often surrounded by food actually I am he would come in with a punt always of of Apricots Cherries and a bottle of red wine often as well and a real sort of throwback and that was when he was in the press room very often he'd be outside the press room because he could no longer a smoke in Tour de France from I guess for a long time now so he would he would sort of take up residence just outside the pressroom and he'd be tapping away and You know follow these these magnificent pieces which placed him in the Pantheon of Italian sports journalism. Which itself has a more literary tradition I would say than sports. Journalism in a lot of other countries Some of the the d'italia Italian has been a real platform for that really showcase that some of the great novelists of the of the twentieth century in initally were dispatched to cover the jury Talia Times and similarly some of the the sports reporters were fated mentioned in the same breath some of the great novelists and but the other sort of secrecy and for which Johnny Murtagh became very well known was Was mentioned the fact that being pressed pat really nicknamed import oil and the reason for this was when he was filing his copy so type out his race reports on the on the Olivetti and then he would call the Republika. Was the newspaper. What I call their copy desk in Rome and he would dictate the peace and the end of every sentence say Puto excavator Poontang which is actually just a full stop in in Italian but I vividly remember the first time I became aware of this was the two thousand one Tour de France and my first Tour de France and Jenny. Moe is sitting in front of me and it was. Actually I think it was Bastille Day and there was a stage in the voege mountains and Yvonne. Basso who's writing? I told her France I'm faster. Bortolami had gone into a break with Lawrence Alabama and Bassett crashed onto on a descent coming into the finish and that allowed Gilberto easily. But anyway I was sitting behind Jenny murder and I remember him reading out the copy funniest copy and any anytime. The way you spell words has been named cities so even bustle became Imola Venezia Ancona Napoli. Even Bassa was BAGNA and corner. Severna OFF TORONTO. Which is a place in puja and he did this with almost every word so it would be like some sort of reciting the stages of the Talia for you know forever. Cini took him forever but I was actually always curious because a lot of public actually have their their Archive online and I was curious as to whether I could find this piece and I heard him dictate and I just. I just picked up a couple of lines as you know literally the lines. I listened to him dictate and we said if anyone's interested in a personal opinion at a difficult time for him. Even Basso is a writer in this sport. The lack of adjectives is a compliment. If the way he wrote wasn't enough the sentence at the finish line would suffice if my collar bones not broken. I'll try again tomorrow. So that was kind of fairly. Typical of a lot of Gianni Mura would race stripped-down conversational style. But there was this great sort of wisdom and also at times he's writing could be sort of very sort of flurried and an expansive as well but but very often it was just sort of like sitting next to this like sitting next to Johnny Murtagh. Who had this sort of appearance of this kind of Languid? Weary Old Warhorse who would sort of seen and done everything in sports journalism and he was. He was arrested on critic as well. Write restaurant reviews with his wife. And I all. I know I didn't unfortunately wasn't able to enjoy his. His great writes in Italian. But I do know that if we went into a restaurant and Johnny Murtagh was there it was. It was a good restaurant at the Tour de France. Yeah that became a sort of unwritten secret code. I mean the pressroom wear whenever you saw him At a restaurant that was always a sign that you made a good choice. I didn't particularly well intimidated by him to be honest because nobody's reputation on new he's writing and I mentioned how sort of language wall is but he was. He was someone who could time look like a bit of a commotion. If you didn't know him I think he was from what people who knew him better than I did have told me he was actually a very warm individual but I was sort of scared to approach him sometimes and the One one occasion. When I did was in a restaurant in the Pyrenees that he loved the Pyrenees much preferred the parent needs to the sort of famously restaurant in the pair needs with Francesco. Guido Lean who is football a famous football manager in Italy and Guido Lean used to come to the Tour de France to do a couple of stages and just watch Johnny Motor operate because that was the spectacle in itself. You're listening to the cycling podcast brought to you by I Walker. Flexible LOANS BILL FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. 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They need to bridge cashflow gaps and make investments Kelly well in the blue shown Kelly previous winner. This rice water finished. GonNa have the farming behind pumping on the coal to Jong catch often tiny front anybody with anything left to the legs. Wants to get within a shot this man all of this John Kennedy Paul Out of Alabama Lena Gavin Gavin business definitions photo-finish photo-finish Nigga. Talk about as we thought that forgo Paul is without lamenting absence. Too much chapter. That's what we missed the weekend. Milan-san remo a nice little Orel reminder of the great race the first monument of the season like classic sma La Primavera which nicknames to write one Daniel while definitely on the way you pronounce the first one Kreis Classy Chima now. I'd I crisis. Chima TO ERA TO BE HONEST. Well the thing. I love about Melania movies. Long enough to justify a Cappuccino an ice cream and a pizza order thing. The other thing just briefly about La Primavera. We didn't want to get into speculation about rearrangement of the calendar but It could no longer La Primavera because I understand that the data's currently mind Full Riche rescheduling of Melanson is mid-september. That's what al-seyasseh thinking about working on at the moment. So no we're not congratulating Niccolo Bonifazio for winning are imaginary milan-sanremo. The weekend we he was heavily tipped by you last week. Daniel and Basil based on a chance encounter in a boon in a French boulangerie just based on that he was also going pretty well decent decent show actually for for that I would have thought am but June was the winner at last year. Of course did a lot of people I think are the weekend watched last year's race again. Did you indulge in any kind of watching back of old Manson Ramos? I did not. I don't actually I've done. I've been watching the last fifteen kilometers of last year's Reysen. Well the the the acceleration by elephant on the project. I was quite something wasn't it wasn't quite able to get away from everybody. An alleged group sprinting. For the win the finish wasn't a it was that it was. I would say a good addition difficult now without anything without a current rates to talk about certainly the the the the thrill and excitement of last year's races earned another another wine glass on the Danube Free Spectrum of By gracias I think probably up to four and a half wind glossies. Now maybe it does. It gives it as amplifies. It doesn't in a way am because the cycling season being the way it says means that you move on and we talked about this last week. Pyrenees taking on new meaning meaning something in and of itself and the way the cycling season is structured. Means that you're not sooner Nasir's race finished then. You're actually looking ahead to the next race. There isn't a law time to reflect or to really sometimes appreciate am the races and the performances that we've seen now wouldn't Richard you and I have spoken to a couple of Allah Phillipe's to cutting quickstep teammates about last year's race Tim De Klerk stint steep To attempt not butcher the pronunciation of The check writers name and Well let's hear their memories of the race from twelve months ago. We should start by seeing that. Tim De Clark managed to interrupt his at one of the many chores. He's performing this in this height. He's painting painting is host so we hear him mentioning that briefly at the start for goodness sake just just forced the DIY stores to close for all our sakes. Today that has gone must not it was the last survivor? We then had an attack from Niccolo Bonifay local rider. Who will know those curves better than anybody else? He's just been taken by all back together. Digging it Respiratory I had only after the classics. Now so it's a it's a little bit more boring than an otherwise but my my wife gave me a lot of chores to do around the house for the moment. It has not been a pouring yet but still i. I miss it to to go outside and meet some friends but it's the same for everybody. Of course I'M GONNA cleric Thirty S Olten tax. Don't stick Florida Clinic. Quickstep Saxon I have to paint after painting the the the the room of the the little girl we are expecting and also I cleaned the therocess. I am not into the whole garden that afternoon. Everybody everyone welcome to the two hundred ninety one kilometers from Milan to sound more on the home. Of course one of the days normally. It's there's always something that ruins the plant but this time There was nothing except for the obsolete. Going going for this Five before she was maybe one of the things that could have ruined the plan but she was he was so good and and maybe the weight lost their helped him to perform better pills. Yeah no I'm philosophy was really special a race I think also it was a one over the best team efforts I will never in in redoing the during the race Because you know we had really Extremely good team on the start We have is there any? Who WAS Definitely in very good shape and we believe that he will get over by making spring to win. The we had her on the line. Who was really going for it. Also Yeah and then we had Juliane who will saw awesome. Yeah in excellent shape winning governing Stage into I know and then So he looked ready for some rebel as well Well I remember was that Before like thin kilometers before especially on I just need to throw a piece by the you know everybody was so threat. Everybody will pushing themselves to be in the front and don't miss the important moment of the race because everybody is so important and he just decided that he has to stop and I was I was with him because Yeah I just tried to help them to to get back into the front so he had to be really confident. My job was was A. Don't ask after couple bathtub. I was still in the Peleton. I said the quash was he doing now because everybody was fighting so much opposition but Yeah they're all steams stayed with him. I tried one last time to front and the other guys did do the rest and the jobs in the past and how good he could be at this race but again a man who needs it to change in the move behind junior liftoff with ski following him we go over to like without them and then we are together also with Johnny and Just before but then on one of the roundabouts We got the difficulties behind the small crash and the really far behind the other teammates. They were on the right side together and trying to to get to the phone so we lost each other again with Elia and afterwards we are trying again to get to the front and then I gained released each other and then we were like maybe five hundred meters in front of the right corner to layer. Viet the kind of Let's say meeting with the other teammates that That you just go from there Very hard and you'll take on on on our own pace So I had to move also to the front in the meantime I lost Elia I could still make it to the front on Then actually I think it was each lumpar who brings us Into the first one hundred meters or maybe two hundred and Ottawa took over. I said really hard Afterwards took over a gain Philipsburg and then me again and I was going as long as I could and then took over again. Philip and on the yearly album really hard and just feel lighter scoop or are able to to follow him with still go to Tokyo. This is the point last year when somebody went clear. This is the point where nearly went clear. Now Chasing second the Mon- on the outside during his well today teen wholesome Nelson with valid there just behind him and this a writer from Yamba basement moment when we hit I knew that Elliot is little bit More far behind and and we set really very hard to pay some even just from the bottom really hard. You are like we could see. Untraded are just springing from one corner to other and so on that moment I knew that I'm really something very hard face for for July. But also that on the same time I'm killing gala to be very honest I had more confidence in In ELLIOTT THAN IN JULIA. But it was just somehow came that say. Hey guys go as hard as he can. And Tha. That's what we did. I knew this place. Elliott can never Never get over Joe so I was just hoping that That you couldn't finish it though. Champion being chased spy alaw eighty eight hundred meters from the finish now as they come onto the owner. It's monitored on the inside. I laughing behind him dense again this moment for him. Is this the chance Sagana? In the meantime being followed by NAS and also a fast finisher to teen is that for not as Sarah's well quit cold Turkey behind on ball. Always dangerous team looks round. They all look around. Not who goes what happens? It's check mate. Maybe but somebody asked to win it. Somebody has to make a move and then the beaver China. We're just waiting for the result in the radio And what was really amazing. Is that we boss with several teammates over the finish line with up Like we were the winners and we did really enjoyed so much because saw an enormous team effort during the Renoir especially the final of nearly at the box just Betas outfits can out to launch it now. The end of the one hundred and ten minutes out of any piece going for instance stop winning. Our history agonized guy to have the team. It's always a lot of fun with him and You can have a lot of laughs and is also really grateful is a guy that extra healthy choice to how years and nets always lots of fun Sure to shoot that I I think costs team. Kart the back of the facts. Lease the Voice of San. Pk reminds me to tell you that. This week's episode of the cycling podcast is supported by lacquer lacquer is a community of cyclists all working together to ensure their bikes equipment in the event of damage or loss ensuring the premiums are lower on the pets in the event of claimer swifter. You'll be dealing with people understand bikes. Who will know their chemin from this? Shrimp and that racing bikes and equipment can be expensive. Your premium depends of course on the value of your bike equipment and it goes up dine depending on how many other claims there are but there is a ceiling to the monthly premium. Don't take our word for it. Let's hear from satisfied. 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I sent them the pricing to show how much it was from the website and they just transferred the money to my account think he was the following day the parts I need my mechanic's fit them all back control sorts of bike insurance. You'd like then please go to lacquer dot co dot. Uk That's L. A. K. A. DOT CO DOT UK. What was Tim Clark and St Bar? And the Clark of course a big toll writer that we see sitting on the Front for many many kilometers at helping control things predicament. Quickstep St Bar and you know winner in his own right. A more valuable and teammate. For June L. Fleet towards end of milan-san remo loss. Your interest I didn't know about Allah fleet stopping to answer a call of nature just before the cheap presser and which was was new to me but Clearly in in great form as de Clark said perhaps the loss of weight help them ultimately over the press. And the the POGGIOLI. Yeah mentioned. I watched by the race again at the car. Said they had a plan to go all in for Allah Felipe. Instead of Philip Gilbert on Elliott Vivani both potential winners as well on watching it. You could see jewel bar really committing to that And Viviana being sacrificed in trying to help the fleet win the race. Yeah it was interesting Chiba saying the east felt that Johnny going into the project still felt Vivianne. He might be the better bet. One thing that struck me chops just listening to that again I don't fully appreciate it at the time an absolute Dream Team. That was If you're going to design a team to win milan-san remo. You would probably what you would have that kind of makeup. The declining quickstep had Last year just in terms of having its prince's option having someone like Tim De Klerk who could act as the sort of law Moore on the front of the Peleton much of the day and Philippe is well the other thing it just popped into my head when you mentioning flip stopping before the ship predators. It's th- There are quite a number of important races One in in similar circumstances when people seem to ride a seem to Holland adrenaline if they have either enforced stoppage due to mechanical or natural break before an important phase of the race. Just just wonder whether surprise. You're bringing this up Daniel. Well it might actually have helped Allah Philippe Yeah I'm I'm now thinking about the remember the we did it. Ten out to spiracy theory we had about balcony. Moma stopping Deliberately before the climbs in the I think it was. I don't mean what spirits I think it was true but he didn't particularly want to dwell on it. Was you know using that to help? Warm up to serve US also. Did the weather a factor and I can't remember it was quite cold at the Jira wasn't last year. Yes maybe you just think about the civilised sixty kilometers or loss forty they all pure adrenaline really. Aren't they And it's a it's a race that sort of well not just metaphorically but literally kind of moves through the gays As as it goes on. And you know it's it's a mysterious of nebulous. Aw winning milan-san remo so many great writers great classics Writers Have Never Managed. To win it Despite having been in in with a shout and in the right position seemingly Saigon one you know I talked to mark have indicia costs a former Raymond win a euro and you know he just told any always talks about the economy and how some his whole career and they never really appreciate. I mean it's a right so every single thing you do from the moment you leave. Milan matters going over drain. Kvant the left of the road west of the smooth. Tom In the middle can be different senior winning and losing. He also talked about it being a race whose outcome is made of can be made if some thousands of pixels as opposed to one hundred and in any other rice one of my favorite months. Sunday will memories though Daniela's of Kevin Dishes Women Two thousand nine. I was watching it with with a sports writer who had been working with mark on his first book and this book had been more or less finished it was more or less finished and it was almost off the printers and we were watching watching center in London. And the minute of course I mean Henry. Kaiser went early and House. Honda and then I popped cavendish and won the race and this well. He was as well known sports. Right had just fallon to his hands and he He might start crying. Start CRYING POINT. Thinking leaks structural problems. This would give him with this boot. Y- did he say Coventry accent. Italian swear words some some some some elaborate gestures. That's the that's the ghost writing equivalent of the sort of injury injury-time goal Champions League final just List listening to declare and st by talking about Allah Philippe Victory last year. Obviously a French winner and Alpha leap stopping to answer the cold of nature Before the press him a couple of things through my mind hearing them speak but looking back through the list of winners Frenchman to have one milan-san remo going back in time 2016 honored Emma and he's amazing car allegedly another another example possibly depending on his version. You believe of you know someone having had a bit of a setback before that you presser and then again maybe maybe harnessing the power of adrenaline. Who harnessing the host power of teen cotton on? Well you had the whole team. Car allegedly strongly denied by Before that you have to go back to nineteen ninety-five Launch Alabama and before that eighty-eight and eighty-nine back to back wins for law phenol. And the reason I'm kind of getting going securities to this anecdote The nineteen ninety-two milan-san remo one by a time little-known Frenchman. Marc Gomez. Actually his parents were Spanish but he was born in ran so bretagne. That was the first year that milan-sanremo included that. You press in the route now Daniel. I don't know whether you know more about this particular story than it. But perhaps this might be one of those myths. But as I understand it Vincenzo. Tatyana what's that boss of the day? The Marrow Vinnie of of the much more forthright character from everything. I've read the many. Here's a bit of shrinking violet. It seems to me anyway but torreon. He was nicknamed the Bull Toro. The bull play on his surname also. His character apparently and The was the kind of the peak of the Francesca Mozambican. Giuseppi SIRONI ERA. The two The two great Italian riders. But Tony was getting a bit fed up with the formulaic finished. Milan-san remo particularly the lack of Italian victories. I think they'd only had two. Italian wins in the previous eleven years and forms the wolf's win a Belgian rider in one thousand nine hundred one of the last straw for Tony so He and his team set about trying to make their finale of the race. More difficult and the oppressed climb which is at It could San Lorenzo al-Mahdi Daniel. The the house is the way that you press a starts you take a right turn off the road and it and it rises attractively up ahead of you. And then there's another right hand turn taking you a kind of a wife from San Ramo as doubles back. I just under six kilometer climb and Tony wanted to include that you PRESA in route. It was pointed out to him. This would add more than twenty kilometers to the root taking over three hundred kilometers in length which might be unpalatable to SOM- sectorial. Answer to that simply just to print all the race literature. The maps and the roots with more acceptable distance of two hundred nine thousand four kilometers. And of course. No one had a computer or anything to track the distant. It was taken us read that it was. It was two hundred. Nine thousand four kilometers but legend is that it was a at least five or six kilometers over three hundred. Yeah this is a theme in Tatyana his ged when he was the director for many B- about four or five decades wasn't he was infamous for yet during these routes and putting these climbs on the on the route which were nothing like they appeared on paper when the ride is got to them and yet the ride is always took great exception to this and we became a bit of a divisive figure. But they've done the same with the Paul Joe in one thousand nine hundred sixty Not was brought in to end run of sprint finishes and the cheaper is funny. I wrote about the pricing book. Mounting high a few years ago but I remember Going through the press coverage leading up to that nine hundred eighty two race. What most of the main protagonists main favorites for the race were talking about was the descent that they thought that. Have a bigger impact on race climbing. You know I think it does have a big effect on. The climb does have a big effect on the final outcome but not one that you necessarily easily discern watching we very rarely seen attacks on that you presser succeed An UN- a ride or group. I'm going on that. You percents their way to the finish while the winner the winner that year was mark measures. I said I mean he was a first year professional. He's twenty six so he turned pro. Pretty light probably thought is chance pasta him. By He'd been third in the French Amateur Championship. She gave it four and signed for a small team. Waldo they the people who make tires I huge field that year over two hundred and fifty on the START LINE. I think on your. It finished but again the kind of almost carnoustie. They used as a field. If that size setting off for the Reysen well not knowing many people Gomez Went to a fellow Brockton on the start line To ask for advice and he was basically told. Just just go hard from the start getting nearly break. And that's what he did and for a long. While he was out there all day he was with Alan Bond do much better known Frenchman and Gomez pulled off. What a bit like a sort of Non League team winning the FA Cup really a real shock Surprise Win and in fact a collaborative piece with some other journalists for Cycle Sport magazine about these particular Titian the rice and one of the one of the comments kind of stood out one of the quite some guy that stood out was he says he wrote down the aroma into silence because no one knew who he was You know there was no no great kind of fanfare. I'm because well I don't know whether it's the same these days but certainly it feels like in those days The Italian victims got much more of a more of a fanfare from the fans and then basically an unknown writer but Yeah One of those editions of milan-sanremo that sort of sticks in my memory. Even though I don't remember watching the time it's there is some footage on Youtube which will post a link to that in the episode. So that you can watch a little bit of what we're talking about in this episode and I can well imagine that scenario napalm of of Gomez sort of riding the finish line on my side. It's because you get one of two things happen after the finish line in Milan to Rome. There's any talion winner they get mobbed and there's a huge stampede and things become very fractious the nineteen ninety-three edition for example. This led to a this led to a traffic jam team. 'cause as they were coming up with a line and Mario cipollini extremely angry with the race director then and Katerina Castellano and through his bike through windscreen. It's the oldest cliches of Italians. Italians by races come to the Fourtou swearing a lot of people. Get angry or riders. Just carry straight on. Through and Vietnam Ashley continues. It goes way out passed or the VR Alia which Vietnam as part of a continues. Way Out through the old train station in some Ramo and almost well if you continue you end up. Basically the French border and an journalist trying to stop ride as it come a bit of a nightmare me. I've run a couple of kilometers off. The ride is in the past but there is also the sense. The you know the race is over and everyone just sort of gets gets out of dodge straight away almost. They don't even get their bikes almost feels like in. In some cases. I mentioned talking about Kevin Issues. He's now a famous winner. Melanoma and I asked him what he knew about some apart from the fact that he's he won this famous edition two thousand nine and he knew very little new that some rain. We're had a famous music festival. Which which most of the riders will. Now I guess he couldn't really say anything else in and said what have you ever spent any time there and he said well. I think dinner that once and it wasn't very good. But that's that's all and that's fairly typical. I think the right is obviously there. Robbie Milan a couple of days before the race. And then as soon as they crossed the finish line they get to a hotel a kilometer or so from the Finish Line. Pack up their stuff and off they go. Podcast is supported by Science in Sports Science and sport. Fueled by science minded Chris Oi six time Olympic. Gold medalist earned eleven team world champion. The key thing that people ask me what advice tips for beginners or amateurs you know maybe doing a charity raid or sporty or a big challenge. 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His win on the on the finishing straight am. I watched the race again and I watched it on the turbo trainer And you know it was a fairly in a way bog standard edition of of rates but really milked his Victory coming to finish and I think I think that's what caused the pilot behind them. Because as you say Daniel Italian especially we're obviously mobile as across the line there is a real m the real congestion lords of motorbikes loads like a motorbike race also very pudgy. Lance Armstrong on the attack on the oppressor in that race 'em fundraisers descent of the. Pudeur is one of the more famous ones. Perhaps perhaps the most famous lionel you know about the most famous dissent of the polio arguably the most famous descended the pudge. Wow yeah the from the year before. Nine hundred ninety two. I was going to just pick up on something. Daniel said about the eighty two edition and the the importance of the dissents. Because Gomez Mark Government to. The Frenchman probably owed his victory as much to the fact that Allen bondue crashed twice on the descent of the poetry and one other thing that was unusual about that year or something. That's left out to me thinking about how now everybody knows every meter road and if they don't go and check out base none of the ride is we spoke to for this feature Went and checked out the oppressor beforehand. There wasn't a kind of a new climbing the Milan raimo core so we will Moscow and learn. Learn what it's like a different time of course. Then but yeah. You're you're rich to nine hundred ninety two milan-san remo was kind of showing Kelly's final. Hurrah he just joined the FESTINA team from PM. He was in sort of autumn of his correa and Tom. Walley has made this really nice little package which he's made up of some interviews idea when I was working with Sean. Kelly autobiography several years ago. And Some of David Duffield's commentary from your a sport. Ed Equate is switching up now on the patio. Kline chosen the right time to go at the front. This is the Joe. Climb go see on a good day. Good injury now been on. My callers crashed twice. Crashes brought to you by S- Humboldt. Which was I think it was sending me that I have to becoming. Melissa comes Yakima planets hair. He's looking back. I think to say phone racist got to just work at the moment as a domestic and it looks like he's got to move on as well as well. Lotto great sprinter moves. Yo and that Would be dangerous vacuum off Tony toward the topsoil. He's got to nullify boy grabbing now. I think he's about to do alot as he eases again. It's I don't on. Its hardened town putting on the pressure fronts. Collage looks extremely where I think the moment econ break this fill up in one by one of his teammates. Seemed to disappear under the pressure on the pullback boy on that sharp hairpin anybody else can have gone in. Tennessee saw to wait for the sprint newsreel. Getting off the front this town can the rest matches mu countered. I stay with him in town then going away at the front as you could see them displays. He's wonderful some kick in here and I said I said to myself after state and position fifteen position when onto the tight because always wanted me to three voice voice with again to slow down you know combined because often the polls you so I stay with us so stay away from that because if you do that for your four times has absolutely broken apart. Sames and Jim. Bundler gone as odd put in another attack. This man is call middle. He's got he's the pressure. These few yards lead on Jimbo. I'll look at that. Almost nonchalant looks back to say wral all coming up as well. Just move over my goal from the because I said to myself then probably someone sprinters. We come back on. A set of Sean Kelly. They're chasing down Argentine closing the gap. That is certainly not fifteen seconds. It's coming down on Kelly. That's going out in time on those. He could look back realize is having being seen that he was hoping a gap that somebody's coming to and that man is Kelly seconds before with solar close me. See Me Hobie. He goes so I went to Carl and then around the the royal town momentum immediately on the on his size just those ended up. I didn't tell me in front of him. Same vision and I Kennedy Kennedy Kennedy Kennedy Kennedy. They love what Hawaii six? Twenty six pitch. I'm twenty seconds of Ace. Carry this down likewise with a bang. My Motorola bit the dust bad luck for them but good luck for the ours went himself. Sponsorship sponsorship was it was not his on the classic classic. Those bones are Roy and I put before the before the kettlebells many Bryan Austin businessman. Well two things. First of all my interviewing technique which was not four podcast. So I'm kind of a home through the through the interview as encouraging Sean Kelly to open up a bit sometimes sometimes doesn't doesn't they and a bless him David Duffield. I mean the voice of the Voice of cycling for many of us who are watching through the late eighties. One thousand nine hundred and up to probably the end of the nineteenth but the pronunciation police would have been dishing out a few things that I think but the Milan son. Raymond with Kelly's descent and and making the calculation as he would site in his commentary knowing the Argentina on over the top of the Poggioli with supposedly a thirteen second lead or that at least was the information that he had and then plummeting down the other side Typical Sean Kelly really the the photos of the Finnish Like sticking my mind because Kelly is wearing a dreadful helmet apologies to Brian Kelly. Who made the helmet? But it looked like a pudding bowl. There's no to slow train responses helmet sports well. They've overseas designs have improved over the years but typical Kelly was which dealer peeks sponsored by fifty one a classic wearing the helmet but he only put your home for the last forty kilometers or so right. The rest of the rice bad headed As I say could in those days so ever the businessman as I said. Well you mentioned the descent the Paul Joe Napalm and also fundraising ninety-three funniest. I think he's his wife. Had given birth the previous night need not yet met seems baby things a baby daughter but he was sort of in the state of euphoria and it was. It was the the peak the pinnacle of his career. Eighty one point eight looks as though you know he was going to dominate one day races for the next few years and then he got a Lotta back. Problems which hinder timber another writer. Who for whom? The padres was absolutely crucial. Was been nearly a couple of years ago in two thousand eighteen. Not In the way that many people perhaps would have expected before some raimo before the edition of some rain may be said anybody who's going to win it you might expect it'd be attacked to have come on the on the padre or the oppressor descend. Actually he attacked initially marking a move from Chris. Neyland the Latvian champion. He went off the Neyland on the podge. Oh and then they got a decent gap and and Nibley sort of forged on and one on his own on Vietnam and this week Niba Lee. Who like every other writer at the moment is not racing? He did a little press conference on facebook and we submitted a couple of questions and they were about milan-san remotely addition that he wanted two thousand eighteen and this is what he told us about why it was exactly the having tried for many years to go away on the padro. He finally succeeded in two thousand eighteen. He authorities on this issue but lobby a study What was decisive was just being able to ride with redeclare head stress free. I was on that team. Rotel called Bradley. Only two possibilities to try the podger of the racer if there were other attacks. London. That was the key point then as soon as I went. I felt that I had the form the strength to win and I didn't get over excited state call and just said to myself. Yup I can win this. I also knew that my team covering for me behind. When Chris nylons went away I got onto his wheel then looked around and realized that I'd gone at the right time to win the NCAA of fossil faster than what Accardo Cynthia yesterday. Copernican Abuse Louisana. But they call now being chance on me buddy who that was about the two thousand eighteen seventy chops definitely one of the highlights of his career. I think a a win. That's talk him into a different Dimension of course his tour of Lombardy Win came after that as well so you know. He went from being one of the best grand tour. Riders of his generation. To one of the best ride is certainly full. Stop the last few decades really couple of other things that came out. That little neighborly press conference the Other Day As you would expect about the Jiro which was supposed to be his objective. Big Goal of two thousand twenty And he expressed the opinion that Shorten Jiro would not really be a proper. Jiro in the didn't really seem very nominated with with that idea. That's going around at the moment. Just the latest on that front. I understand the GERAGOS working on a few things. One idea was for the jurors to start on the second of June which is actually a national holiday a national holiday to celebrate the Republic of Italy That would have been quite symbolic because it would probably be a Jira. That would be entirely initally. Obviously Hungary words where the jury was supposed to start this year but it seems possible. We could have Jira without the Hungarian guerande pertains so that was one idea. Another possibilities may be running parallel to the Vuelta and then a third possibly the stays. The most likely option could be October retire. Hi guys this is Larry War Bass and you are listening to lock down with Larry. So currently not actually locked down because I am traveling back to the US. So I am at London Heathrow Airport and just waiting my flight. I Chicago and then home to traverse city Michigan so it was very much a last minute call. I had planned to stay in Krantz and wade out the lock down there but it just seemed like with each coming day. There wasn't really a whole lot of positive news coming in. If you saw what was happening in Italy and Spain it sounded like France could get worse as well so I didn't really want to take any chances if potentially being locked down in my apartment or at altitude by myself And potentially being locked down for like a couple of months alone Which would not be ideal especially if you couldn't Roger Bike outside so we I was a I was actually at altitude with Wilbert. Another American Herod's CCC when we we we plan on staying there for the two-week lockdown that was the initial planet France. And then we thought we would probably go back to our apartments in niece but yeah we'll heard from a friend that there was potentially a stricter measures coming in France. Which you know. It's really hard to say. That's just a rumor. Not but I didn't WanNa take chance that it it wasn't a rumor and Then have some regrets tension for the rest of my life if a if I got locked down too long alone so Jay. We've made the decision. Come back to you. As soon as soon as I heard I win straight booked the ticket for the next day out the scene as sled I could find home and now I'm on my way back the USO Chad's different been been a bit of a crazy actually last