20 Episode results for "Marie-Yvonne"
Full Episode: Friday, November 15
"This is nightline tonight targeted by tweets accusations of impeachment witness intimidation tation. Now the president realtime attacking the fire. US Ambassador to Ukraine stunned at her undiplomatic dismissal. I can't speak to what the president is trying. Thank you do but I think the effect is to be interacting alleging a smear campaign then and now feel threatened and now the not so a secret witness and what happened behind closed doors tonight plus Dr Wars Plus the mandatory the battles of a bounty hunter. Yeah now sitting down with the mastermind behind the first live action star wars series. Laurean is alluded to in the original films films that I grew up with because there was a character that he's all yours. Good evening thanks for joining us. From the moment she was under oath. She was under fire on twitter from President trump at the second day of televised impeachment hearings the former. US Ambassador to Ukraine detailing what she calls a smear campaign. ABC's David Bright on impeachment and and intimidation by eight thirty. This morning it was clear this would be standing through log. Line of spectators in the marble marble corridor seemed to stretch back forever house impeachment showdown as instantly become the marquee event in Washington. Shoot start time nine. AM sharp the battle lines. This through chairman. I this is historic and I think that everybody in that hearing room feels the gravity of history on today's witness one of the nation's most senior diplomats Marie marie-yvonne avenged the former. US Ambassador to Ukraine. You swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth. President trump abruptly recalled her last spring. She testified today. She was kneecapped through a smear campaign led by a corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor and president. Trump's lawyer royer Rudy Giuliani. I do not understand Mr Giuliani's motives for attacking me nor can I offer an opinion on whether he believed the allegations he spread about me clearly. No one at the State Department did she said the order to leave Ukraine came in a one. AM phone call in late April. She was told to get on the next plane back to Washington. How did that make you feel terrible? Honestly I mean after thirty three years of service to our country Tom was terrible. It's not the way I wanted my career to end but in your thirty three years as a foreign service officer have you ever heard of a president president of the United States recalling another ambassador without cause based on allegations that the State Department itself knew to be false. The scapegoating by the administration didn't stop there in his July. Twenty fifth. Phone call with Ukrainian President Alinsky the President Badmouthed Jovanovich calling rolling her bad news. I was shocked absolutely shocked and devastated. Frankly what do you mean by devastated. A person who saw me actually reading the transcripts said that the color drained from my face. I think I even had a physical reaction. I think even now where it's kind of family according to the call summary Trump then confided that she's going to go through some things she's going to go through some things didn't sound. I'm good sounded like a threat. Did you feel threatened. I did how so I didn't know exactly. It's not very precise phrase but I think it it didn't feel like I was I I don't know how how how to answer the question any further except to say that it kind of felt like a vague threat within minutes of ianovich testimony about being smeared appeared as we sit here testifying. The president is attacking you. Twitter president lashed out in real time from the White House. I'll read part of one of his tweets everywhere. Maria Vich went turned bad. She started off in Somalia. How did that go? What would you like to respond to the president's attack that everywhere you went? Turn Bad. I I mean I. I don't think I have such powers not out Mogadishu Somalia Small Ya not and other places. I actually think that Where I've served over the years I and others have have demonstrably made things better anytime. Women challenged the president of the United States. It seems to strike a nerve in him and get a reaction out of him. It's a bit more visceral and now the president real time is attacking you. What effect do you think that has on other witnesses? Willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing. I'm doing well. It's very intimidating designed to intimidate is it not. I mean. I can't speak to what the president is trying to do. But I think the effect not to be intimidating. Well I want to let you know pastor that some of us here take witness intimidation varies very seriously. I've been in watching today for the first time I started watching a few hours later. The president brushed off any suggestion of witness tampering. I I don't think so at all the question becomes. Does this get lumped into a broader article of impeachment on witness intimidation. Think it's unlikely deep but you never know. And you certainly heard Congressman Schiff suggesting it. That's a possibility in the Ukrainian capital. Kiev watching the testimony. Tony unfold as well. Daria Kolenovic an anti corruption activist. Who worked closely with rich? When she was stationed there? She was our true supporter Orrin friend. She was very professional diplomat very soft spoken and she was very much committed to the Success of Ukraine as democratic country with rule of law. Glenn says it's clear to her why you're GonNa Mitchell was pushed out. It was hated by some people. Who are crooks? She was hated by some people in the a Ukrainian government whom she pressed to deliver reforms in anti corruption and right in the middle of testimony. Take a brief brief recess. And that's just a few blocks away. We get the verdict on the Roger Stone Case. It's the kind of thing only happens. In Washington president trump's as long time friend and political operative Roger Stone was convicted of lying to Congress and witnessed the same committee that was holding a hearing today. Today is the one where Roger Stone has now been convicted for lying to or obstructing stone. Could face as much as fifty years in prison. Listen there's no question that the president is empowered to pardon Roger Stone on any or all of the charges then late in the day behind closed doors wars. The Intelligence Committee heard from David Holmes and embassy staff member who says he overheard president trump on the phone with ambassador. Gordon Sunlen and Kiev we have according to Holmes opening statement obtained by CNN solid agreed. The president did not give an s about Ukraine and he said that the president it only cares about quote big stuff big stuff that benefits the president like the Biden investigation. What's the significance there? This new information is a bombshell. uh-huh show. The fuse was lit on Wednesday. When Ambassador Taylor mentioned that this witness overheard this conversation firsthand and today you saw the fuse the bomb go off now that we have another witness coming forward? Admitting that they overheard the president's actual voice it takes away the Republicans argument that this is all just just hearsay in my line of work. Perhaps in your line of work as well all we have is our reputation and so this has been a very painful period. How's it affected to your family? I really don't WanNa get into that but thank you for asking. Today's hearing was at times emotional especially over the shabby treatment ambassador vantage received wasn't your preference to be the victim of a smear campaign was it wasn't your preference. The FBI defamed by the president of the United States including today was it now. It's not the end of a hallmark movie. It's the end of a really bad reality. TV show brought to you by someone who knows a lot about that. The main Republican pushback that her testimony is is not relevant to impeachment. Do you have any information regarding the President United States accepting any bribes. Now do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all now that the president is entitled to Change Ambassadors If he likes. I obviously don't dispute that. The president has the right to due to withdraw ambassador at at at any time for any reason but what I do wonder is why it was necessary to smear my reputation. I wasn't asking you about that advocate. Thank you very much. We've had compelling testimony this week think of people with real credibility and authority That really you know. Polls at your your patriotic heartstrings of these people going to hardship places aces and fighting for democracy. And it's those people against Donald Trump. These are strong important. People who drink important jobs even if you don't agree with what they're doing. She didn't deserve this. She doesn't deserve this. Today's hearing made that point loud and clear the the bigger question remains. Does the president deserve to be impeached. I'm David Wright for nightline in Washington it has one star wars saga approaches the end another warrior arises in the galaxy. Welcome the man delorean. ABC's Chris Connelly on the new adventure in the legendary franchise piece for since the revolution. It wasn't drawn as a storyteller. Two very big canvas big-screen Blockbuster Star Wars. 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Lighting a lot of humanity and civilization on the edge of the Wilderness. You're seeing good versus evil. You put those images together with the right music and the right camera work in the right story it all of a sudden resonates very deeply for a decade now. No filmmaker has navigated the current cinematic the medic environment as successfully as Fabio at the helm for a host of high profile high pressure projects. That have found favour with audiences Disney with the Lion King in Jungle Book Marvel with the Iron Man Films and now Lucasfilm with the mandatory. And why have you been able to flourish creatively working with these. These big powerful entities that have strong feelings about what their film should look like. I think because when I engage with those properties. They're wanted I said I feel passionately about and I have a take on and I feel a personal connection responsibility to and this is where we filmed them a scene from iron man. 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Okay People Santa's this communists. Several also puts heart into his many blockbusters. If I want to spot you in those movies what am I looking looking for. What is it that you look and go? That's me that wouldn't be there without. They seems to be certain things that recur. There's a certain sense of sadness and loss awesome loneliness that that then a sense of community and love and togetherness of takes over. where he you think that's for You know I think it comes from when you're young and you're you feel that way I've had lost early in life. You know you were twelve years old on your mother. Mother passed away. I think that that's probably hitting at the time when I was watching those films. And there's nothing like a movie theater or a story to to help Make you feel that. There's a path to all of this. That makes sense. I'm drawn to to material that that reinforces that favreau sensibilities finding their way into the Mandolin on Disney plus which survived first-day glitches to reap more than ten million subscribers. Walt Disney Company is the parent company. A busy plus Lucasfilm. ABC News we get to have revelations cliffhangers adventures things that feel more in tune with what influence influence George in making Star Wars. We've grown up in this forty years of the saga and so the pressure I feel is more to the audience that I wanNa make sure that I'm throwing throwing a good party for them for nightline. I'm Chris Connelly in Los Angeles and finally tonight five six seven eight. You're watching the dance of a lifetime. DADS and their daughters Donner's performing ballet at a Philadelphia studio the video of the adorable partners melting hearts across the Internet also stepping in other friends and family. 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1-15-20 What's News
"It's time for New Coal Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive the voices network. The House is voting Wednesday to send the two articles of impeachment against Donald Trump to the Senate after a delay of nearly a month. Senators have been locked locked in a standoff over witnesses appearing at the trial majority leader. Mitch McConnell has been pushing back against calls from Democrats for witnesses including John Bolton Mick Mulvaney and others but he also signaled that he'd be open to bringing in Hunter Biden to testify about his dealings with Ukrainian liquid natural gas company Barista. Nancy Pelosi announced seven impeachment managers Wednesday morning. She said she relied on litigators. Who are comfortable in a trial setting while naming Adam Schiff shift jerrold Nadler Zoe? lofgren Hakeem Jeffries Jason Crowe Val demings and Sylvia Garcia as the managers. The House will then officially officially vote on the managers and then at around five. PM Eastern Wednesday afternoon. She'll sign the bill and printed. Copies of the articles will be marched over to the Senate by the managers. But there's an important note. I want to pass along on the restrictions placed on the media covering these historic events. Roll call is reporting in that when the articles of impeachment are delivered to the Senate a procession full of pomp and circumstance. Just one video camera and no still photographers will be allowed allowed to document the historic moment no audio recording at all. We'll be permitted leaving radio. Reporters empty-handed during the trial. A A single press pen will be set up on the second floor of the Senate where lawmakers enter an exit. The chamber reporters will be confined to the pen unable to to move around with the senators. So they'll be no movement allowed outside of the Corrales and reporters and photographers will need to be escorted to and from from the pen. There's more credentialed members of the media. who go through security screening to enter the capital each day? We'll be screened. A second time before they entered entered the Senate Chamber to watch the trial proceedings. magnetometers will be set up in the Senate daily Press Gallery requiring reporters to enter the Chamber one by one after being cleared by Capitol Police operating the machine in response Carl Hulse a veteran Capitol Hill reporter for the New York. Times said quote. It's it's pretty much an outrage either. Senate Republican leadership has no interest in recording history. Or perhaps they just WANNA play down the coming events all together either. You're way it stinks. Republican senators expect the trial to extend beyond Donald Trump state of the Union address which is scheduled for February fourth earth which also means it would continue through. The Iowa caucuses which happened the day before on February third and it could possibly stretch stretch out into the New Hampshire primary which is set for February eleventh. That obviously would complicate the presidential bids of Senators Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren Warren and Amy Klobuchar while they worked to get traction in those early voting states and as to the question of whether witnesses will be allowed. Well there's a growing number of Republicans coming forth saying they do on the opportunity to call witnesses. Susan Collins of Maine is leading the charge. Mitt Romney of Utah and Lisa. Murkowski of Alaska have also also signaled their support stay tuned now while the Democrats were debating and trump was feeding raw meat at one of his Nuremburg rallies in Wisconsin Johnson Tuesday night house. Democrats released a new load of documents that they obtained from left Parnassus he of course is one of Rudy Giuliani's indicted Henchman Shman and these documents revealed new details about the push to oust former Ukraine ambassador. marie-yvonne image and to pressure Ukrainian Presidents Presidents Alinsky to investigate Joe Biden. One of the documents was a May twenty nine thousand nine letter from Giuliani two presidents alinsky requesting testing a private meeting with the knowledge and consent of trump himself they also included handwritten notes by Parnis on Ritz Carlton Hotel L. Stationary from Vienna. Though the notes are not dated one of them refers to the need to quote. Get the lense key to announce that the Biden case will be investigated instigated And then there were the encrypted text messages between Parnasse and Robert Hyde. A figure who we haven't heard about before but is now a candidate for Congress from Connecticut little sample of those messages quote. She is under heavy protection outside. KIEF quote they're moving her tomorrow. The guys over there asked asked me what I would like to do and what is in it for them. She's talked to three people. Her phone is off. Computer is off. She's next to the embassy not in the embassy. Private security been there since Thursday quote. They're willing to help. If we slash. You would like a price. Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money. What I was told if you want her out they need to make contact contact with security forces and then after that quote it's confirmed we have a person inside a lawyer for Ianovich said there must be an investigation? Listen you think from the perhaps there's hope after all files a majority in the Senate so that includes some Republicans supports limiting further hostilities against against Iran despite opposition from Republican leadership and Donald Trump. The House last week approved a war powers resolution forbidding the president from attacking Iran unless there's an imminent threat or Congress declares war but then again the White House on Tuesday announced its plans to divert another seven point. Two Billion Dollars from the Pentagon funding this year to help pay for trump's idiotic border wall. The White House wants to shift three point. Five billion dollars in counternarcotics funds and and more than three point six billion dollars in military construction money for total of about seven billion more than he diverted last year. Senator Jack Reed. The top Democrat on the armed services. Committee called the plan quote a slap to the military as well as a slap to Congress senator Richard Shelby of Alabama Alabama Chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee criticized the move but shifted blame to Democrats for not agreeing to more wall funding and finally Tuesday night was was the last democratic debate before the twenty. Twenty Iowa caucuses. CNN did its damnedest to start a fight. Between the candidates and the moderators were just plain. Awful for for an in-depth. Listen to some of the high and low lights check out my Wednesday show on progressive voices network at five. PM Eastern or anytime after that at at Nicole Sandler Dot Com. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole Sandler if appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show. I hope you'll consider hitter making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. And I can't do it without your help. Find out more at Nicole. Sandler DOT COM. Please click on that donate button.
Impeachment Set To Move To The Senate Next Week
"The House has passed H s seven. Nine eight a resolution of pointing authorizing managers for the impeachment. I Donald John. Front president of the United States will be received. The articles have been passed and after after weeks of waiting and wrangling house. Managers have been appointed this sets the stage for the Senate impeachment trial of President Trump. Starting next Tuesday today house speaker. Nancy Pelosi named seven house managers. The prosecution team who will make the case against the president during the Trial Judiciary Committee chairman. Jerry Jerry Nadler's summarize the crux of their argument this way whose trial is necessary because president trump gravy abused the power of his office when he strong armed a foreign in government to announce investigations into his domestic political rival for more on this process. NPR's Tim magazine Studio Welcome back. Hey there let's start with the impeachment managers managers. What do we know about them? So there's no shortage of democratic lawmakers who would have wanted this role which would be to make the case to the Senate but ultimately Pelosi chose just seven even individuals to be the public face of this trial and they stood with her as she made the announcement today. It was a diverse set of managers women people of Color to emphasize the the very backgrounds in her caucus. So you have some choices that are more obvious like House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff and House judiciary chairman Jerry Nadler and there's congresswoman. WHO's taking part in her third impeachment process? She was a staffer and the history of this year committee during the Nixon Impeachment Proceedings Pelosi exclaimed. Her reasoning for her choices. This way the emphasis is on litigators. The emphasis is on comfort level in the courtroom. The emphasis is making a strongest possible case to protect and defend our constitution to seek the truth for the American people to she. Also appointed Keane Jeffries. A former litigator are in private practice in a top Pelosi Lieutenant. There's Val demings the former chief of police for Orlando and Sylvia Garcia a former Houston municipal judge. One surprise though is the appointment of Freshman Congressman. Jason Crowe he's not on the House judiciary or intelligence committees. He is a lawyer but he was also a former army ranger and a veteran of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan so he has a basis to talk about the national security elements of this trial even as things are proceeding proceeding to the trial. New evidence was released by the House. Intelligence Committee What was it an associate of Rudy? Giuliani the president's personal lawyer provided a series of documents to the House Intelligence Committee now that associates name is led porn us and he's already been indicted in New York for alleged campaign finance violations. parnassus documents it seemed to suggest that former. US Ambassador Ukraine marie-yvonne image may have been under surveillance by individuals linked to Giuliani also separately in a note handwritten by Parnasse. It appears he wrote down. One of his tasks quote gets Alinsky to announced the Biden case will be invested these documents back. This notion that the the president's allies were pressuring Ukraine to target the Biden's and of course that's what this impeachment process has all been about. What are the next steps so as early as Thursday morning? The impeachment managers will read the impeachment articles on the Senate floor and later that day. We expect that the Senate will proceed to deal with the articles summoning chief justice. John Roberts parts the chief justice will be sworn in by the longest serving member of the Senate known as the president pro. Tem of the Senate. That's Senator Chuck Grassley. And then he will in turn swear in the senators senators that is the chief. Justice will The president will then be summoned and given time to respond to these allegations with a trial expected to begin next Tuesday the president has said he believes that he will be fully exonerated by this process and Senate majority leader. Mitch McConnell agrees with that believing that this is a purely political process. That's N._p._R.'s Mac. Thanks for explaining it thank you.
1-27-20 What's News
"It's time for New Coal Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the Progressive Invoices Network House. Impeachment managers wrapped up their opening arguments in the impeachment case against Donald Trump on Friday imploring the Republicans in the Senate to do the right thing by holding a fair trial members of this body. Face the most momentus of decisions not as I said at the outset between guilt and innocence but a far more foundational issue should there be a fair trial. Shall the house be able to present. Its case with witnesses and documents through the use of subpoenas as has been the case in every impeachment trial in history. Now the president's lawyers have been making their case outside of this chamber threatening coming to stall these proceedings with the assertion of false claims. A privilege having persuaded this body to postpone consideration of the witnesses and documents they now appear to be preparing the ground to say it will be too late to consider them next week but consider this of the hundreds of documents that we have subpoenaed. There is no cholera bill claim and none has been sorted to the degree that you could even make a claim that claim has been waved to the degree that even superficially officially a claim would attach. It does not conceal misconduct. And what's more to the degree that there were or a dispute over whether a privilege applied we have a perfectly good judge sitting behind me and powered by the rules of this body to resolve those disputes. And when the chief justice decides where a narrow application of privilege ought to apply apply you will still have the power to overrule him. How often do you get the chance to overrule a chief justice of the Supreme Court. You have to admit it's every legislators dream on Saturday. Trump's legal team began their opening arguments using just two of the twenty four hours. Their allotted allotted over three days. The Republicans tried to justify trump's actions towards Ukraine and smear the prosecutor's case and its lead manager Adam Schiff. Trump's attorneys are expected to wrap up their opening arguments on Monday. Not using either the full three days or twenty four hours available to them to make their case then comes questions. Senators have sixteen hours to question both sides over the course of a few days and after that at some point later this week nick will likely come another vote on whether to allow witnesses in new documents. As a Friday night it appeared the prospect of four Republican senators voting voting with the Democrats to allow witnesses and new evidence was dim with some suggesting an acquittal vote could take place as soon as Friday but that may all have changed changed on Sunday evening when the New York Times broke the news of the first details from John Bolton's soon to be published book. The room where we're at happened will be released on March seventeenth and claims among other things that trump told Bolton in August of last year that he wanted wanted to continue holding almost four hundred million dollars in military aid to Ukraine until the country helped with investigations into Democrats including. I'm Joe Biden. The Secretary of State is our nation's chief diplomat so you'd think he'd understand diplomacy but Mike pompeo couldn't even managed slight civility in an interview with NPR's mary-louise Kellyanne Friday people who work for you in your department people who have resigned from this department mm-hmm and under your leadership saying you should stand up. But I don't know I don't know who these unnamed sources are you referring to. I can tell you this source in your senior adviser Michael Mckinley. A career foreign service officer with four decades experienced who testified under oath that he resigned in part due to the failure. Failure of the State Department to offer support to Foreign Service. Employees caught up in the impeachment inquiry on Ukraine. I'm not gonNa comment on things that Mr Mckinley may have said they say only this. I have defended every State Department official. We've built a great team. The team that works here. He's doing amazing work around the world. marie-yvonne defendant every every single person on this team done. What's right for every single person remarks. Were you have defended Meriva. I've said all I'm going to say today. Thank you but it's what happened after the interview. That has others in the press corps spilling the beans on pompeo's thin-skinned and abusive behavior. I was taken to the secretary's private living room where he was waiting and where he shouted at me for about the same amount of time as the interview itself had lasted. He was not happy to have been questioned about Ukraine. He asked do you think Americans care about Ukraine. He used the F word in that sentence and many others he asked if I could find Ukraine on amount. I said yes us. He called out for his age to bring him in. Map of the world with no rating countries marked hough. I pointed to Ukraine. Put the map away. He said people will hear about those. Yeah and then he turned and city had things to do and I thanked him again for his time and left and from the. Isn't it ironic files Mike. Do you think Americans care about Ukraine. POMPEO is headed to Ukraine. This week in other explosive recordings released over the weekend left love. Parnassus is the gift that keeps on giving his attorney on Saturday released a recording from a donor dinner and twenty eighteen during which the president is is clearly heard ordering the firing of then. US Ambassador to Ukraine. Maria von Veg. Zero at least eighty people have now died from the Wuhan Corona Virus and at least twenty seven nine hundred have been infected. The virus has officially gone global to fifty cases have been confirmed outside of China including at least three in the United States. Hates doctors now believe the virus is contagious. Even before people show symptoms which could seriously undermine quarantine and treatment efforts and finally the world was shaken on Sunday with news of the death of NBA Legend. Kobe Bryant the basketball superstar. four-star was killed in a helicopter crash in calabasas California. His thirteen year old daughter. Jonah and seven others also died and that's just a bit of what's news now. I'm Nicole Sandler if you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent don't listener supported and I can't do it without your help. Find out more at Nicole. Sandler DOT COM. Please click on that donate button.
CAFE Insider 11/11: Impeachment: The Opening Act
"Hey folks big week this week. Public impeachment hearings begin on Wednesday with testimony from senior diplomats. Bill Taylor George Kent on Friday. We'll hear from former Ukraine ambassador. Masha Ivanovich meanwhile. It remains to be seen whether key witnesses will testify including former national security adviser John Bolton and acting chief-of-staff Mick Mulvaney on Saturday Republicans released their own list of witnesses. They'd like to hear from including Hunter Biden and the whistle blower according to reports the defense strategy continues to evolve with a shift towards arguing. That Mulvaney Ambassador to you Gordon. Silent and Rudy Giuliani were freelancing on the Ukrainian policy an attempt to distance the president from from the pressure campaign. I've talked about all this and more with an milligram on the cafe insider podcast each week. We break down the news and take stock of what's happening today. We're making a clip from in the most recent episode available in the state fee. Listen to our full conversations and access. All other cafe insider content. Try The membership free for two weeks. You can do that at cafe dot com slash inside. That's cafe dot com slash insider. It's a good segue to start talking about what's coming up because two things going on here because this will be a public impeachment inquiry one is the issue of what the substantive facts are. What did someone know what meetings were the in what statements were made etcetera? The other is how compelling a witness that they make so I think on the issue if this were a regular criminal case that we're doing to an ordinary jury of Americans. The absence of Bolton is not devastating because you have multiple other people who were in. The Room can testify. But what was said and corroborate the testimony of other people. So if Bolton said this thing thing about the drug deal with Giuliani and three other witnesses saying it it's not the end of the world or the end of your case you can't bring them in. This is not an ordinary criminal case. That's going on you know in courtroom with her. No cameras cameras are going to be present and as you said. The hearts and minds of the public are important in a part of the process. Public sentiment matters in connection with an impeachment unfolds. So John Bolton is incredibly important and to me a little less because of the facts more because of the Gravitas he has And especially so if you shave. The Moustache Shave the moustache number. He he didn't get the job the beginning of the trump administration because the mustache and then he got the job and then that didn't last long either. But I think Bolton yes you have John Bolton's sitting alone table with the assembled committee members and if he said the truth and he repeated the things that looks like he was thinking and saying at the time. The Ukraine thing was. It's happening that's a big deal and devastating to the president's caused and also maybe very influential perhaps with the senators who are going to be jurors in the case. Yes okay so this week just a recast to recap all the requests that have been made by trump's allies. I got to have a full vote in the house. Done then got released transcripts of these behind closed doors depositions done on or coming. They're happening in there. There's there's an understanding that there will be released. I believe have public hearings also done yes within a period of just a few weeks week so every every process complaint pretty much has been handled and dealt with and now people sound a little silly. I think complaining about some of those things and so what's happened this week on Wednesday the thirteenth. We have bill Taylor. Top American diplomat in Ukraine. Yes we have. George Kent also on Wednesday Deputy Assistant Secretary of state and then on on Friday. We have Marie. Masha event which the former ambassador to Ukraine. who was pushed out? What do you make that lineup? Yeah it's important that what they're doing. I think in many ways Taylor comes across as the most important witness in some ways because he tells the narrative from having been brought in after Maria Ianovich is pushed out as the ambassador. He's brought in as the senior most diplomat. He's involved in multiple conversations and we can talk about multiple conversations with the ambassador to the EU. Gordon Insulin. He at the time. has those text messages saying like what are we doing now. We're conditioning foreign aid on Investigations into political rivals essentially. And what's really important having reviewed some of his testimony and I think there's two reasons why he's I and we should pause for a second and say you know if you've listen to sort of standard trial theory of how you try cases you put your strongest evidence on at the beginning in the end and you sort of put anything in the middle. That's less important because of privacy and recently how people people remember things. I'm not sure that's exactly the case here but I do think for the reasons you and I talked about. which is it's not just a standard trial? It's the American public watching. It's really important to start off with a good witness who's going to give a lot of information about what happened. And Taylor both has a lot of information and it's clear from his testimony that the Republicans Committee while Cross examining him and questioning him. There are pushing a lot of different theories and he was very strong. And I think very articulate and Sag nope this is what happened. I'll tell you what it was. What happened at at the time and he really pushed back on them trying to characterize it in ways that he didn't agree with so I think he'll be a strong witness? I agree with that. I have some addendums to what you I said I in my experience. When you're thinking about who you're I went and should be a regular trial? It's not just that it should be the most powerful witness because sometimes so many people have bits of information that that's that's difficult to do and so sometimes I think this is even more the case when you have a public proceeding like this. That involves the need for public sentiment to your side. You have an overview witness so sometimes it trial trial you'd put on the FBI agent. Who could tell the whole story so that the jury will will see well? Here's the whole narrative and then we'll fill in the particular pieces along the way and the second thing is you. You want to put on a witness who is not gonNA get demolished and destroyed on cross examination so you want to witness with not so much baggage. So sometimes that's a witness to a crime who doesn't have any liability early on their own part. Sometimes it's a cage and you never ever remember once. Supervisor got very upset when he found that city attorney had begun at trial with a cooperating operating with which we were taught. Don't put on a cooperating witness. I somebody who people may remember by definition means you've been involved in the crime and you plead guilty to a crime and you've confessed the crime but the reason you're testifying as you're trying to get leniency for yourself. Yeah not even even if they're compelling even if they have a good overview of the case and you can tell the narrative you'd never do that and so bill Taylor is the opposite of that kind of witness everyone is going to be attacked for being deep state or never trump mostly without what evidence but bill Taylor both has compelling testimony also can give an overview of basically the whole timeline or most of it. Third he's a fifty year veteran of public service in this country beginning Cadet at West Point and it was not just some random guy who is a holdover. He was brought in out of retirement by Mike pompeo himself so people are GonNa be pretty hard pressed after he testifies in a compelling way to attack him and something that's very important all this Which is why it's important? Wouldn't the committee got the chance to see people behind closed doors is who's going to be compelling WHO's not. I agree to these people are going to become you know many household names. Yes once every television station in the country at least the cable stations and some broadcast networks show them and it will be a story unto themselves and people will write profiles about them. And you don't just have the one hundred senators who will be jurors. You basically have three hundred million Americans will judge. Does this person seem to be someone who cares about the country who is telling the truth. Who Cares about doing the right thing and I'm sure they made the determination that for all these reasons? Bill Taylor is that person. Yeah I agree. And what I think is critical also is that he corroborates in sort of gives the information information about the central question here so In his deposition he talked about the fact that in no uncertain terms trump was demanding that the Ukrainian President Zilenski publicly announced investigation of some of the energy company that had Hunter Biden on its board Before the US would unfreeze military aid and agree into the White House visit. And so you know it's really really important because it goes to the core of the question as well and so. I think we're GONNA come out of Wednesday with the path forward framed. I mean we've seen it already but it's going to be done by Taylor and also remember that Taylor. Sort of his testimony gets Gordon Salmon to go in and change his testimony to be consistent. With Taylor's Kasan was clearly not forthright. So Taylor comes across as honest as forthright as a career diplomat. A military veterans and. I think it's going to be a powerful powerful powerful way to start. Also what's interesting about the testimony. This week is that we'll see the arguments that the Republicans are GonNa make and we've seen some of them already ready. Such as the crime was never completed. This argument of the money ended up going over. So there's no harm. There wasn't an in person meeting but they met at the UN and then we have. George can also Jorge Cantu someone who is not as well known in the reporting and you know the TV network coverage but he's important to yes. He's very important too. Oh and he He testified that and this is really. This is so important to me because we sort of see the piece. Okay the aid. The military aid is being withheld Ukraine. But can't is the person behind the scenes who's dealing with this in real time. WHO's trying to figure out what's happening? How do I get that money out? And and so. He testified that this unexplained hold on aid set off a chaotic series of meetings and a campaign to persuade trump to change his mind to basically let the money go. Oh and he testified. There were frantic calls. Between senior State Department and White House officials there were Senate Republicans who called including Mitch McConnell and basically really you know he's saying no one understood who ordered the hold and why and he also explained something else which I think is really important which is that Sunlen was connected. Did to Mulvaney. And that's why on was involved in Ukraine policy because remember he was the ambassador to the EU. So it's strange that's on them would be involved in this and can't sort of explain it comes from this personal connection. Just repeat that part of the story where that testimony is so important to this idea of the president extorting. A foreign government is in the the ordinary course. There might be national security reason or other diplomatic reason to withhold the aid here. You have the Congress approving the aid you the Congress wanting wanting the aid to go to where it belongs to the Ukraine you have the presence on State Department and various individuals within the State Department saying the aid needs to go to Ukraine. You have people shaking their heads and scratching their heads wondering. Why isn't the aid going where it's supposed to go? which gives the lie to the reason that it was in the national interest and lends support and credence credence to the argument? That there must have been some other reason why the aid was withheld namely being withheld. Because there was something being extorted and that is an announcement of an investigation of the gardens. And what is amazing about this is that it is four hundred million dollars in money and nobody knows they're desperate and it makes sense. They're desperate to find out. Why has that money knock on out the door? And so it makes sense that there'd be chaotic calls going back and forth that Congress would be involved it also shows how unusual it was that this happened that that it sort of gets to this level very quickly and then the final witness this week is the former ambassador Ukraine who was unceremoniously removed and a lot of stories about why that happened and there was a campaign against her led by among other people. Rudy Giuliani also stories. About how Mike Pompeo is not well respected in the way he might've been at the State Department now because he hasn't stood up for diplomats who've been attacked by the president including among them Marie-yvonne of which she's very important to she's very important and and what comes out. During the course of the depositions that have been happening over the past few weeks is that she was targeted starting in twenty eighteen and that basically it was clear that Giuliani was not a fan of hers that the president was not a fan of hers that there were efforts to Discredit her and have her removed and that one of the most chilling parts to me is this conversation. She has with embassador sunlen where she sang him. Like you know she. And by the way who tells her that she's being targeted by her own government the Ukrainians right. There's something startling about who's more loyal to the work of a diplomat and to somebody who's sincerely trying to do their job it turns out Ukrainians. Basically say to her like look. You Know Giuliani like all. This stuff is moving. They're moving against U She goes to Samland she. She basically trying to figure out. What do I do insulin? Insulin says show your support for the President I mean essentially her takeaways. She's supposed to send a tweet praising. Donald trump kind of crazy. It's created it. You laughed and it's the right reaction because my first reaction was what like you're telling a career diplomat the ambassador to Ukraine that if she wants to keep her job. It's not that she has to do something. It's not that she's doing anything wrong. She just hasn't sufficiently praised the president and taken a loyalty oath. So those are the witnesses this week. We haven't heard announcement yet. As at the time of this recording as more witnesses witnesses but some of them are clearly going to be important. And guess see how this week os before announcing more witnesses. We should pause here to talk about something that maybe is worth explaining a little bit. Both as has a semantic rhetorical point and also as as a legal strategic point and that is this whole idea of a quid pro quo in this whole idea of extortion and blackmail now as a rhetorical oracle matter. There are lots of folks have been saying and I guess they're directing their attention to people like you and me saying nobody knows the Latin. Nobody was a quid pro. Quo means that doesn't sound various. It is literally Latin for this for that. And there's compelling testimony from one of the witnesses were witnesses asked you understand quid pro quos literally this for that. And that's what what's happening in. This case is actually very compelling testimony from Bill Taylor who maybe will repeat this live In front of cameras on Wednesday that quid pro quo literally means this for that and that is absolutely what was happening in this case. But some people say well if you say quid pro quo with that means doesn't sound bad that the better terms to use extortion and perhaps bribery. So we have a question from Euclid Zoo. Inshore who asks what is the difference between quid pro quo and extortion Hashtag asprey. And it's not so much that there's a difference between those do things but an extortion. Something that lay people. I think understand and quid pro. Quo is part of what an extortionist. So if I'm a member of the mob and I say you want protection from the police you gotTa give me a thousand bucks and if you don't give me a week if you're GONNA be a thousand bucks a week we're going to smash up your store. So that's an option. I'm asking for something money in exchange for for what you get you get protection and a threat to do harm. Yes and you were agreeing to do that. Because I've used the threat of force or actual force to get the thing that I want. So in every source involves alves a quid pro quo just like every bribery scheme involves a quid pro quo so basically an extortion is the use of force or the threat of force to obtain money. Something Else Savelli or services from person could be it could be physical harm financial harm destruction of property abusive official power so the way most people think about it is force. You know I'm GonNa Break Your store if you don't give him money but it's more expensive than yes. What was actually difficult for us? In public corruption. Trials was to explain the people that unlike the normal case you see on and on the big screen when we're involved the mafia that it's not that kind of a threat so with respect to a public official. It's the threat of official power or withholding of something that otherwise you would offer so and that's why it's important here. It's the threat of official power of withholding something like for example a White House meeting or military so when we charged and convicted you know various public officials in New York. Nobody was ever suggested. We're GONNA take a baseball bat to you. They were saying if you don't give my son a no show job. I'm not going to go to particular way and again wasn't explicit. It was completely understandable from the circumstances. But this is people point and it's a really important point because it's it's so clear that this is about official authority A. and Power and this is a public corruption case. And you know the mob says we're GONNA come with a bachelor windows but Donald Trump doesn't need to say that he exercises the power of the United States government which is tremendous authority. And so that's why I'm saying like them. Withholding aid them withhold refusing to do a meeting contingent upon these things in exchange becomes its potential criminal activity so one thing that gets confusing for folks. I guess it's worth spending a minute on it is will what's extortion bribery. But just like there's a fine line between love love and hate. There's a fine line often extortion and bribery. 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Thu. 08/26 - What If All Food Was Square?
"This podcast is supported by. At active armor right now. Our lives are on our phones with our phones full of livestream exercise classes midday work calls in nightly family video calls. There's no room for fraud calls thankfully. At and t. Makes customer security a priority helping block those pesky calls. It's not complicated. At and t. Active armor twenty four seven proactive network security and fraud call blocking to help stop threats at no extra charge. Compatible device service required visit att dot com slash active armor for details. Welcome to the. He ride home for thursday august. Twenty six twenty twenty one. I'm jackson bird today. The seven thousand two hundred year old skeleton of a teenage girl is shaking up what we thought we knew. About ancient human migration. the creative solution in oregon. Hospital has come up with to support its overworked staff and what we can do to lessen their load and a new startup that wants to disrupt the way we eat our meals specifically by making all of our food look like identical little bricks. Here are some of the cool things from the news today. A recently analyzed fossil of a young woman who lived seventy two hundred years ago is shaking up what we've long since thought we knew about human migration and has provided the first genetic evidence of a certain ancient culture zoo to alien people were hunter-gatherers who lived on the indonesian island of sulawesi before neolithic farmers from mainland asia. Migrated there about thirty five hundred years ago. Many artifacts in cave drawings from the two aliens have been found the oldest of which date to around eight thousand years ago but no artifacts have been found after the fifth century. A few thousand years after those neolithic farmers arrived in two thousand. Fifteen archaeologists working in sulawesi found the skeleton of the roughly teenaged. Young woman that they named per sec a nickname for young princesses. A new analysis published this week in the journal. Nature of besets. Dna has provided the first ever genetic evidence of the twenty million people assumed in part because she was found alongside to elian tools and also represents among the only ancient human dna ever from wallace. Sia the group of islands sulawesi is a part of now. One reason that ancient human dna hasn't been found much there before according to research. Khalid adem brome from griffith university is that humid tropic climates are very unforgiving on dna preservation but as percents remains were found inside a limestone cave. They were preserved. Bit better than most other in the region. Brim also adds that. We're finding so much in the northern latitudes of europe and in america and the dna analysis. There is changing our understanding of early. Humans are origins are migration etc and this discovery in sulawesi especially because of how rare it is is now changing our conception of that story. Even more quoting the guardian genetic sequencing showed. She had a unique ancestral history not shared by anyone living today nor any known. Humans from the ancient past from said around half of six genetic. Makeup is similar to present day indigenous australians and people from new guinea and the western pacific islands surprisingly respects. Dna also showed an ancient link to east asia which challenges what was previously known about the timeline of migration to wall sia. It's thought that the first time people with predominantly asian ancestry entered. The wall in region was around three or four thousand years ago. When the first prehistoric neolithic farmers entered the region from taiwan. Brum said if. We're finding this asian ancestry in a hunter gatherer person who lived thousands of years before the arrival of these neolithic people from taiwan. Then it suggests earlier movement of some population from asia into this region and quotes in the conversation. The research team ads that burr sixty day also includes dennissova. Dna denisovans being extinct subspecies of ancient humans enough to indicate that quote the main meeting point between our species in denisovans was in sulawesi itself or perhaps a nearby walsea an island and quotes and quoting further from the team in that article. Our results mean we can now confirm existing presumptions. The two aliens were related to the first modern humans to interoil assia some sixty five thousand years ago or more these. Seafaring hunter-gatherers were the ancestors of aboriginal. Australians they were also the earliest inhabitants of so who'll the supercontinent that emerged during the police seen ice age when global sea levels fell exposing a land bridge between australia and new guinea to reach the who'll these pioneering humans made ocean crossings through wallace but little about their journeys is known it is conceivable. The ancestors of Were among the first people to reach. Well assia instead of island hopping to sue. Who'll however they remained into the lizzy and quotes. What's truly remarkable as the researchers emphasize is just how little we actually know about this region of the world when it comes to human origins with advances in dna analysis. We've been learning a ton recently but those findings are not equal across the world and brought assumptions sometimes get made based on findings in one region as brum addressed that so much was able to be gleaned from just one fossil is incredible is think how much more we don't know because so much ancient. Dna has been lost as science. Alert said quote. We need far more genetic evidence before we can begin to properly trace the history of human migration across asia pacific berserk after all was just one woman and quote all right so this news story is good in the way that it's a company supporting the mental health of their employees in any creative way they can but horrible in terms of just like the whole state of the world right now. The salem hospital in oregon has set up a room filled with dinner plates. Where healthcare workers can go to smash them a rage room. Basically lisa nursing the hospitals. Icu told the associated press quote. We put on safety glasses and we took plates and we shattered them. I kept going back. I kept going back and they told me i had enough turns and quotes. i mean. i'm glad they're getting an outlet and that the hospitals wellness department is looking out for them. The department also recommends yoga and deep breathing among other strategies for stress relief but danged. This really drive home. The idea that our healthcare workers are burned out as upward. He said quote throwing a plate at a wall. As far better option than throwing a bedpan and a patient and controlled acts of destruction may prevent a doctor or nurse at their wit's end from taking out their anger and exhaustion an unhealthy way. But seriously this is what we've come to and quote. Healthcare workers have been dealing with overflowing hospitals shortage of protective equipment fears for their own safety and bearing witness to some of the most tragic moments of their careers for over a year and a half. now they're beyond burned out and we keep seeing story after story come out of their added frustration. Now that so much of the illness and death could be prevented a new study released by the cdc on tuesdays showed that unvaccinated people are twenty nine times more likely to be hospitalized with cove in nineteen than people who are fully vaccinated and later that same day. Marie-yvonne kirk from the. Who said that misinformation is a major driver of cova continuing to spread around the world with hospital beds filling up and so many of those people who chose not to get vaccinated. It's driving healthcare workers to well smash plates against the wall. And back in oregon. They've seen a fifty percent increase in hospitalized cove in nineteen patients compared to last year. When there wasn't even a vaccine yet. And i know i'm preaching to the choir on this one but dang i mean if you're able to help out with vaccine efforts to help folks who genuinely haven't been able to get it yet and want to or have been on the fence and who you can talk to please do in fact that there was a great right up in the washington post this week about a facebook group. That's actually been incredibly successful at dispelling misinformation and convincing the hesitant to get vaccinated. The group is called vaccine talk and it's an open forum for both pro vaccine and anti vaccine individuals to have evidence based discussions though they do keep pretty strict moderation and community guidelines for one. You have to provide a citation within twenty four hours for any claim that you make in the group and the results is that many vaccine hesitant people check out the page in overtime. See that more solid. Evidence and logic is coming from the pro vaccine folks but crucially. They're given the time and grace to get their themselves without being pressured in one way or the other which is honestly super impressive. As quoting the washington post a reason survey by rutgers university found that people get their news primarily from facebook were less likely to be vaccinated than any other group of news consumers and quote blitz quoting further research also supports the idea that social media can be forced for pro vaccine persuasion under the right circumstances a forthcoming study from researchers at the mit sloan school of management which has not yet been peer reviewed found that people on the fence about vaccination can be swayed by learning that others around them are getting vaccinated and twenty twenty study by health misinformation researchers. Emily virga of the university of minnesota and letitia boat of georgetown university showed that social media users who rebutted misleading claims with factual information may not persuade the original poster but can influence the beliefs of others who witnessed the exchanges and quotes and for the record. Wendy king and associate professor in the department of epidemiology at the university of pittsburgh told the washington post that people who are concerned about safety are easier to convince than people who don't trust the government or medical authorities. The former have probably been seeking out information and unfortunately finding a lot of the misinformation swirling around. But they're genuinely concerned about their health or that of their kids or their parents so eventually countering with correct facts and listening to their concerns can work. All of this is a lot of work though and not everyone is going to be receptive to it. We all need to be doing what we can. But if you also need to take a break to pop on some safety goggles and throw a plate at the wall well so long as you save one for me too. I had pretty high credit card debt for years and refinancing. It was the best thing i ever did to help me. Finally pay it off. If you've been thinking about doing. 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And sometimes these companies do have genuinely new takes on an old concept and sometimes they literally just make it worse like if you were to actually reinvent the wheel the worst thing that you could do would be to make the wheel a square well. A new startup has done that to food. Have you ever been eating dinner and thought this is great but i really wish my entree insides were all the same size and shape. Maybe identical rounded squares. Well square eat heard you and are here with a weekly meal delivery service. That's exactly that food in the form of identically sized rounded squares as the companies deck spread around the internet this week people had trouble figuring out if it was for real. But according to the company's chief marketing officer maria laura florez who spoke to the today show and the over one hundred fifty thousand dollars. They've raised in funding on. We funder it absolutely is quoting today. The miami based company squarely uses processes like low temperature cooking and thermal shocking to turn foods like chicken beef broccoli rice and more into precooked. Fifty gram square patties. The small squares are designed to be consumed in either four or six piece meals for piece meal boxes from sweet break chocolate pancakes to mediterranean. Ciba's asparagus in zucchini range in price. From five fifty to seven ninety nine wants delivered the squares stay fresh for two weeks or more and can be eaten cold or prepared in a variety of ways including sauteed in oil heir fried or warmed in the microwave and quotes and one of the big things that the company is trying to clear up. Is that these aren't meal replacements. The foods that make up the squares are the actual foods. The chicken is just chicken. Sweet potato is just sweet potato albeit they do come spiced but squaring insists there one hundred percent natural ingredients. It's just how they're prepared that thermal shocking process. That gives them their strange futuristic appearance but my biggest question is why i mean sure. It looks kinda cool. But what is the advantage of the square. As best as i can figure it out from reading several articles ranging from bewildered to scathing square. It says that the shape makes it easier to mass produce their gourmet techniques so that they can make high quality. Food more affordable. Alright sure and also they say since the process keeps the square patties. Good for a couple of weeks. They don't have to deliver the food as often as other meal delivery services so that cuts down on carbon emissions. A big factor also appears to be the convenience. You don't have to cook anything. Just heat up the squares with the little packet of olive oil. They come with their pre spiced and everything so they taste delicious pretty much right out of the box. Allegedly in that way. I see these appealing to the kinds of people who want to get their calories and nutrients in as easily away as possible. And you know someone who chugs soil lint or h- you'll would definitely get an upgrade in taste and diversity by switching to square. Eat so i guess for that audience. It does make a lot of sense but convincing others who are happy to cook and enjoy eating food in multiple shapes. It might be a tough sell. Despite absolutely roasting squaring online. Most people do admit that they're really curious. And at least wanna see what one is like in real life even if they don't want to subscribe long-term or have this become the normal way that food is produced and consumed a sadly to that point. The squares are not for sale. Just yet they'll be sold locally in miami florida first and the company hopes to expand across the us as soon as possible after that. So we'll just have to wait a while longer to try these as one. Twitter user described them little minecraft meals. 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"Hey welcome to in the thick I move your. I'm Jim Eli thing and this is. It sound off Friday itt achieve t sound up. We're at the end of another eventful week. Jamila eventful it's some always happening. I know and so. Let's get to it with our first topic. This is historic. It's the latest with the impeachment trial. Here's where we are at on on Wednesday House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. She transmitted the articles of impeachment to the Senate. She appointed seven house impeachment managers to the trial then on Thursday trial proceedings officially started with chief justice. John Roberts sworn into precise over the trial as well as one hundred senators sworn in as the jurors and I watched all the pomp and circumstance in the Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell said the trial will and I quote commenced in Ernest again. I'm not even GonNa do Mitch McConnell impersonation so basically we will be hearing opening statements from the house managers then the impeachment trial of Donald J trump has begun but then left harness. Meanwhile meanwhile at the other part of this story Orey left Parnassus whose an associate of none other than Rudy Giuliani. Who is trump's personal lawyer? These literally been on this press store giving giving interviews about trump's knowledge of the Ukraine scandal so on Wednesday night he went on Rachel maddow show basically said that Giuliani ordered him and other associate eager to help investigate the Biden's and withhold aid from Ukraine and left parties said that Donald Trump knew about it. Like I said the aid itself was something that I think. The president decided to do. What's called but it was? I think a reaction to that there was no Announcement Smith being made after so many attempts so many promises so holding the aid was the president's own sort of innovation to to to add to the leverage to the pressure that people like you or the vice president and Mr Giuliani and everybody else involved in this effort is put on the Ukrainian government. When you say that Mr Bolton you may have things to say about this did Mr Boulton know that Vice President pence was supposed to secure that agreement from Zelenskaja announced these investigations? I don't know exactly what Mr Bell. Nobody I know Mr Bolton was definitely involved in the loop because of the firing of marie-yvonne enrich also his interactions with Rudy Guiliani They started butting heads And he was agreeing. It was I mean from Venezuela to Ukraine moten than agree with Giuliani on the on the way of dealing with it so there was tension. There there was there was definitely you believe he knows what the administration was pressuring Ukraine to do Bolton percent. ooh Can I say using Mr before. Doesn't make make this any more. You know like less salacious like Mr Bolton but anyway Jamila I heard woo. Yeah once again I I will circle back to the strategy. That my homegirl. Alleged homegirl Nancy Pelosi is said to the been playing with. which is this is why she waited? Did this is why she waited to introduce the articles impeachment to the Senate because her estimation was that more evidence come to light and sure enough. This is that evidence in your new home. Girl had a plan. I think when you look at sort of how this is shaping up in terms of the impeachment managers. I think one thing that you're seeing this really different from other impeachments we may obscene in our lifetimes. Allah Bill Clinton Back in the ninety s when he was impeached. The managers in charge of his impeachment were basically thirteen. White men men Yeah and now this time around. I think Nancy Pelosi. You know went to great lengths to make sure that this was sort of diverse panel so even though they're all lawyers lawyers pretty much except for Val demings who was the police chief in Orlando. You've got the Jeffries from New York. You've got Sylvia Garcia from Texas. Zoe lofgren California. You know like she's Lofgren is sort of seen three impeachment trials at this point so this is big. This is really big a couple couple of things about this yes. We're going to be covering this next week. The trial's going to happen what I'm fascinated about. Jamila this is a journalist is like no electronic devices so in the age of digital media and social media. We're just GONNA have to wait. It's like you know the way I look at this is It's like when they choose a pope. You know they close the doors and the bishops are choosing a pope. That is my Catholic upbringing. Like it's even though we're going to see it on television or on C. Span and I'm totally doing C. Span. I don't want any commentary I want all like as if I'm there c-span rocks. No one's going to be able to tweet about it. No one. We're going to be like. Hey I'm here you know so no phones and I just wanted to share it another thing about this sort of like. We're doing like impeachment trial pre-game our good friend Ed O'Keefe of CBS News. Who has been on in taking the past? He's tweeted out discard that capitol. Police give out from time to time to senators. And it's basically the card that was given to senators ahead of the trial on tips to avoid reporters and I just want to read the card for you guys and it says phrases to use when seeking assistance. So here's some the phrases. Please move out of my way. You're preventing me from doing my job. Please excuse me I am trying to get to the Senate floor. Please excuse me. I'm trying to get to a hearing. Please do not touch me. Don't touch me so I think it's going to be a media shit show. Yeah but I will say not having electronic devices during the proceedings will at least give it sort of this air a formality. I do also think this is one of the moments where where the history of the United States a political. You know I feel it. I feel like what happened. In seventeen seventy six to now the constitution in an you know and then in seventeen eighty nine like I feel like there's a connection here and we know the history of America's really fucked up but there is sort of like American American fabric that I'm fascinated by. Yeah you know I think it just speaks to You know we're GonNa see if our democracy and the you know rules that four founders put in place as problematic as those four founders. Were we'll see if we can as a country sort of live those ideals out despite our partisan differences right trump purpose by far the most polarizing elected official. I think we've had in generations and I think that we're GONNA see we're going to see if you know our constitution is really we about it. You know about that life I love it. So let's move on to our second topic which which is gonNA be about the democratic debate that was held in Iowa on Tuesday honestly. The debate didn't go deep into the issues that matter to communities of color so Obviously since it's been a few days since the debate happened we're now seeing how mainstream media has been reacting to it and it's clear the focus this has been on the drama between Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. This is about whether in a private meeting in twenty eighteen between the to Sanders said to warn that a woman could not be President Sanders of course denies this. Warren says that he said it and because no one else was in in that meeting we cannot really know but some people feel that the framing of the questions by CNN. In this week's debate were siding with Warren and it was CNN who reported the story in the first place. Let's take a listen to that moment. Senator Sanders I want to be clear. Here you're saying that you never told. Hold Senator Warren that a woman could not win the election. GO TO SCREW Senator Warren. What did you think when Senator Sanders Sanders told you? A woman could not win the election. I disagreed so this is big. These two factions are sort of warring at each other also. What happened on Thursday? There's Day with the mics. Being Open told me a liar on their phones I think you called me a liar on natural. Let's not do it right now. One of the discussion. Have you called meal you told me. Let's go by just want to say hybrid. Good that's also part of this so the first thing that strikes me about this is just like this sounds like cable. TV because it is You know I think it's always really disheartening. Whenever every we see progressive wing of the Democratic Party warring with each other because that only benefits donald trump? But these are legitimate critiques. I think level on both sides and I think that what you're seeing is sort of a fight for the heart of the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party playing out in real time. Yeah absolutely and it's so funny because it's really suddenly nasty out there and let me just give you one example Jamila so on Thursday the Warren campaign gene releases a hundred endorsements by it says hundreds endorsements by Latinos Latinos and Latin x right so they used all the terms which I was like. Oh that's interesting. So everyone's identifying the way they want to be identified they have all these grassroots activists a lot of people that I know one of our former in the thickest Jonathan Jay's green who is one of the founding members of undocumented. Keep runs the Latino outreach for Warren so it was a big deal. I think you know an eye. Why is founder of Latino rebels worker food media? We cover politics through this lens. I know a lot of the names I'm like we got a publicist. We share this right. Yeah and we. We share it as a new story and on instagram. Unless you know rebels last night we're getting trolled about Elizabeth Warren. From fellow progresses. The fact is if you look at the coverage it's like you know we've done coverage on Bernie Sanders and what he's you know. He's leading with young Latino voters and even when. I think something is really wrong wrong here. I think people need to sit back. I think they both gave good answers. I think the Mike thing was CNN. Jesus milking the Damn Story. I just thought it was completely convenient. Union that they did all this this week and I think it sucks. I really think it sucks because I think it's you have to really good strong candidates. And they're bigger issues easier. But I just want to make a general comment about this and this is probably where I'll never work at CNN. I think they completely fumble this debate and actually went on democracy now on Wednesday morning to talk about it. Could you talk first about this healthcare exchange that we just played and also your take on what you thought the highlights of what was missing last last night's debate first of all the biggest takeaway from this healthcare debate. Even though it's been repeated so many times is the fact that during the war talk no one was talking about costs. Like how are you going to pay for all this war. And how are you going to pay for anything. That's going to happen in Iran but when we got to healthcare the questions were framed about like what. What are we going to do? How are we? You'RE GONNA pay for all this and I think that is just such a disservice to the American people in the American electorate because in the end let's be real. I mean if there's anything that has a lot of universality or commonality about what is happening in the United States it's the cost of healthcare. Also getting back to the CNN private meeting of discussion about sexism politics which is a completely real problem and if we want to talk about sexism can we talk a little bit about it as being more meaningful thoughtful I just felt like this entire debate was manufactured and it was all about. Let's try yeah to find a moment and I just felt like it was so simplistic. Don't get me started about not talking about Puerto Rico Immigration Daca reproductive rights voting rights or or intersection of the climate crisis. All that was missed. Yeah these are just becoming like entertainment shows and you know even you know the line between entertainment and journalism awesome is always increasingly fuzzy. But you know CNN who originally reported this story used for unnamed sources who were not in the meeting and so. It's it's tough. It's just like come on like this is this is sort of manufactured outrage. Yeah let me ask you this before we move on because we're friends I mean we're you know I think if he is a friend and like if we had a disagreement this agreement we had a private meeting. If you disagreed with something we might have a different take and I do think what you're seeing Warren and sanders are there. Actually they. Generally your friends is I think they're friends and I think like that's being missed here as well and I think moderates like Biden Buddha judge and closure like kind of like yeah. Yeah do this this you know crazy socialists. Getting you know and I think it's just unfair and I think. CNN is at fault for this sort of journalists. I WANNA say malpractice. But it's come on right to do it the day before and then of course it was going to be a question and it took a lot of the airspace. But you're my friend and I would never disagree with you anything in private. I would keep private but you know closeness comes through conflict and if you did that would be cool to break slightly lighter note. I found some super disturbing having news coming out this week. which is that you know like Elizabeth Warren sat down for one of these like skin care routine interviews and she said that she does not wash her face which I found to just be unacceptable? I just it's like it's like one of these moments where you know you have this thing. Come out like from these lake. Nick beauty care you know publications and it's like doctors say you should use lotion and it's like yeah. Every black person will not leave the house without having moisturizing. Is You know like this is just like come on. We do better all right. Let's move on to our final topic this coming Monday is Martin Luther King Junior Day. Basically I think this is becoming an American traditions sort of the appropriation of MLK day. To me La at you know. Everyone starts giving takes on the state of racism in the country so on Tuesday I get a press. Release from Wallet Hub. which is a personal finance website and they do like these like reports about American States but their latest report was states with the most racial progress in twenty twenty and the top state was Wyoming? That was the top state I mean. Let's just be real like the American Community Survey Lisp Wyoming being as ninety one percent white. The black population is literally under one percent. And I was like Jimmy. We're going to talk about this. This is this this is exactly the point of like appropriation of Mlk Day. It speaks Bradley to this day and how I think. His legacy has been just tampered with to pretend that. We've made any progress in this country. And to essentially like whitewash king's legacy as being being you know civil and never radical right like this is now becoming sort of like how people view. Mlk Day from political ideologies. Mostly on the right like he tried to be like. Oh He's racial progress post racial society like don't cause problems black and Brown people is laughable. Obviously but I think it also serves. It's a very specific purpose to distract us from the actual issues that radical. MLK would be advocating for right now. which you know I think of you? I know my hometown the bay area where this week You know a group of women mothers MOMS for housing. Who'd you know been homeless found an empty house house in West Oakland and decided to make that their home for their children right and then they were forcibly removed from that house this week by law enforcement by the sheriff's Office who showed up with full military gear so like? I think that we have to be really careful when we see these things like the of course we can. Roller is but we also need to say that you know what looked this. Serves a really specific purpose which is Klay Katie. Sort of showing trying to argue that you know these radical folks in the past have no relevance today. You know. They're trying to deliberately deliberately sort of off you skate. The fact that there is as radical lineage of people who have been fighting for civil rights racial justice for decades and we should be angry. Because you know in the sixties you know as fighting for a living wage for Janitors in Memphis Uraga men winding that. This city will respect the dignity of labor so often we overloaded and the significance of those who are not in professional jobs of those who well not in the so called big jobs but let me say to you tonight that whenever you engage in work that serves third humanity is the building of humanity. It has dignity and it has word and now you know MOMS are fighting for housing in Oakland. It's really sad the way I look at it. Is You know when people talk about white supremacy and being sort of the mainstream narrative of media and just of society. I think that's what we're seeing with. Mlk Day it's become sort of this like this. This is all about a colorblind society. Everyone goes to. I have a dream speech which you know. It's a historic speech but is not the only thing that Martin Luther King Junior did in the sixties and we tend to forget you know the arrests and the fight for equality and the fact that the movement movement him in the movement. And you know he's she's just one part of the movement like literally shook the white political establishment at the time to the point of we gotta do something and you know in hindsight not enough was done of course but there was some progress but I just want to quote this wallet helped studied. There's this one line in the wallet. Help study that says race relations have been in a rough patch recently. And I'm like really. Can you imagine being the person tasked with writing this report. I know that's what I'm like. And the other thing about that. Report is like Washington. DC was seen as the last part. Part of this is racial progress. I'm like are you kidding me have you been to DC. I mean this is of all the places chocolate city man right so wild. I know seriously all right so Friday. Itt Sound love. I'm Larry Gallo Ella and I'm Jamila King And hold up hold up wait a minute we have. Some exciting news is headed to Las Vegas Nevada to kick off our first live. Show twenty twenty On Monday January. Twenty seven. And we're going to be talking about the vote and the role of immigrant and labor rights in this election cycle with some amazingly bad pat. Ask US check out our social media for more info and go to vic dot Li slash. Itt Live Las Vegas to buy your tickets. Tickets are on ten in dollars so again that's dot we slash. Itt Live Las Vegas and remember guys apple podcast rate reviews because it really really helps. Also you can now listen to Pandora spotify and wherever you get your podcast. 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Rep. Swalwell on impeachment: America wont get a fair trial if witnesses dont testify
"Hi I'm Jonathan Martin. Welcome to Cape Up. The impeachment trial of President Donald Donald Trump gets underway trial and process. He has called fake a hoax and a witch hunt the congressman. Eric Swallow of California says the the president is absolutely incorrect as a member of both the house. Judiciary and house intelligence committees swallow. Well has been smack in the middle of the third impeachment of a president of the United States. Listen to break it all down right now congressman. Swallow thank you very much for being on the podcast. Of course. Thanks for having me on so the trial in the Senate begins. The president has already gone on. Record is calling it fake sham. A hoax were all used. The word him calling the whole impeachment process a witch hunt. You're in we're we're in a unique spot of being both on judiciary and intelligence. has this whole thing Ben. A witch hunt a hoax. It's a sham fake anything but that in actually. What's so remarkable? Is that with so few witnesses and so few documents we were able approve so much And I I told Dan. Goldman are lead investigator. Who'd worked for the Southern District of New York on so many high profile cases I sedan? You probably we never in your life have had a case of such great magnitude with so little to work with because the president one covers any witnesses when give us any documents but what what is revealing. Is that every time we get a new document. Not from the president usually like a public request or someone comes forward with every time we find a new witness they all reinforced. What we believe to know that the president was running this shakedown scheme? We've never seen a witness come forward or new document produced that goes in the other direction it continues to reinforce this shakedown scheme. Well I was about to ask you. You said you're able to get these documents through other means and testimony that you the the proof so much. What was proven yet so we proved that you know the president? From as early as the beginning of twenty nineteen hours was running this shakedown scheme with the Ukrainians where he was insisting that they had to even as far back as President Porsche Anka before presence Lindsay was elected that they they would have to conduct investigations to receive. US aid and investigations that would only benefit the president not benefit any American because it would relate to his political political campaign and so we saw that the president was at the center of the scheme. He wasn't you know an answer Larry Beneficiary of the scheme that he was directing the scheme. We saw that he ordered. Rudy Giuliani to really run this scheme. And you saw through Gordon Sean Lennon. Kurt Volker that the president said you know work with Rudy Eh. What it comes to Ukraine you saw in the New York Times Rudy Giuliani said. Back in May twenty nineteen were not meddling in an election were meddling in an an investigation and the we part there is so important. Because he's not talking about himself he's talking about he and president trump and then of course through the witnesses. This is who did have the courage to come forward. We saw through Dr Fiona Hill in the tenant. Curnow ihnen that there was a connection between investigations and the cranium getting getting a White House meeting. And then of course through Sunlen we later learned and Mulvaney at that was also tied to Ukrainians getting the aid. So with very little We saw the president put his own interests above ours above our national security and election integrity. So you mentioned Fiona Hill Lieutenant. Colonel Bandmann Ambassador Sunlen a person who didn't testify then but who were hearing a lot from now is Lev Parnis. Why didn't he testify during the hearings and both judiciary and intelligence you know? Mr Parnell was indicted for campaign finance crimes a during the early stages of our investigation. And as I understand it You know he had many of his electronic devices and documents. Documents and records seized by The southern district of New York prosecutors and did not have documents that he could produce to us and did not give us documents until just this past weekend and our investigators who've already got a lot of things to work with. Were able to go through a lot of devices documents. To produce some records that also reinforce that again there was a priority on getting the Ukrainians to do investigations. That Rudy Giuliani Elhiani. again was acting Donald Trump's agent and that marie-yvonne which was someone that they had to smear in clear to run this corruption campaign Do you believe left Parnasse. Because they're folks Within the Republican Party who are casting doubt on what he has to say AH casting doubt on his role the president is out there. Saying I may have been in a picture with the guy but I hardly know the guy I is. He credible I would not necessarily believe left Parnis but I believe his documents and I believe the witnesses around him that corroborate what he has so if he was the only person saying what he's saying. I would be highly skeptical. But he's not a have phone records of left parties. We see him in contact with Rudy Giuliani at the time that Uganda which is being smeared. We see him in contact with chairman. Newness who is also connected to the White House in many ways we see Left In the notes that he provided is surveilling ambassador. You'RE GONNA Vich. We see notes about running investigation. Let me stop you on that. Surveilling Ambassador Aso's Avant Ivanovich. Do you believe that you know the president Set on the July twenty five phone. Call that she's going to go through some things That's the mob talk rock. The president often uses in those are the tactics he uses and so I do believe that but again as a former prosecutor witness parnasse you would really want to be careful unless you had documents and other witness accounts. That can corroborate it. And I think here you do and you know when I when I listened him on the Rachel Maddow show talk about how humiliating it was to be frogmarched out of his house in the dark hours of the morning by the FBI and he has to walk by hi. This trump shrine that he's built with all the donations. He's made that. He was humiliated and that his wife was embarrassed And you just have to think that the country that he comes from being corrupt as it is Ukraine being part of the Soviet bloc when he was there if you were making contributions helping out a leader you would be protected. Fortunately and we have a rule of law here where the F. B. I.. Still independent of the president. So He's not GonNa get away with it and I think you can see. He's talking about that humiliation he's realizing Donald Trump is not going to protect him. He's being arrested for contributions he's made at the trump team and then of course and the public campaign campaign. Trump is throwing him overboard saying he doesn't even know the guy so it's his pride. I think more than anything that's probably driving him. Coming forth is something that's interesting is how long among the Justice Department has had all of this parnasse information that's been revealed is surprising to you that the Justice Department that is run by attorney attorney. General Bill Barr who is basically turned himself into the president's personal lawyer. Are You surprised that Bill Bars Justice Department is allowing this to happen. Well I I would just say I in defensive prosecutors. They don't move on political timetables and they certainly don't let you you know defendants drive. You know when records are released so I would typically give them the benefit of the doubt that if they are still working this investigation if they're looking at other characters actors they don't want evidence out in the public that could compromise investigations. They may be running however there are there are real reasons to ask. What is bill bars involvement Golfman in this case is he peeking into the files Or have his hands into the investigation of SDN why prosecutors St and why prosecutors are notoriously fiercely independent and. I would just hope that we would hear about that If Bill Barham was doing that but I I think you know we need to know and if bill the bar you know had the guts to come to Congress and he refuses to do so. That's a question we could ask. It will your former prosecutor. What is your gut tell you I you know I I asked a former? Sdn Y prosecutor this very question a couple of weeks ago and he told me knowing Sdn y that he thinks what's that if there was any meddling in their investigations that because of their reputation and how much treasure that reputation. You'd probably hear them speaking ICAN out so I want to help. That's still true. My Gut right now is that those prosecutors are probably holding on tight to those cases but at the end of the day bar a high profile indictments bars and have to sign off on those and so the question is you know is he. Green-lighting redlining any high profile indictments that that evidence could lead to in one of the things that the parnasse information reveals is that things are still happening in SDN. Why is still active? There are still zillow investigations going on and I'm wondering what recourse does the Judiciary Committee have in response to the par- information is. Could we see a a situation where the committee calls him in for testimony. Well we WANNA certainly here from bar anyone at justice to talk about whether that independence is still there that those prosecutors can do their work now with Parnasse. We believe that the forum that's most appropriate right now for any relevant witness as relates to impeachment is the Senate and that Parnassus really illuminates why the Senate should have relevant witnesses testify and of course the the four that we we see our Bolton Mulvaney Blair and Duffy. Those are the four most relevant. But I think Parnell's is making a pretty good case that he too has relevant information but we do not want to rule out that on how side with the subpoena power that we could bring in people like Bolton who said he would respond now to subpoena or people like partners so with the trial beginning in the Senate And the house managers making the case. What can we expect? Yeah I just a insistence upon having a fair trial you know in that starts Tuesday right. So Tuesday is when this trial is essentially going to begin in earnest. You know the rules will be voted on as far as you know the procedures for witnesses and so really insisting that witnesses like Bolton and others. I can testify. That'll be first and foremost you only need fifty one maybe fifty senators you know. There's this debate about if it's fifty in a tie. If if the chief justice can break the tie vice president pence cannot be a part of the proceedings. He's kind of conflicted out as a vice president impeachment proceeding. So do you need three or four Senator Senator on the Republican side to come forward For these witnesses I was encouraged to see Senator Romney early in the week. Make the call that he wants. Bolton testify testify Senator Collins seems to suggest that she would be there. So you're about you know one or two away from being able to get those types of witnesses and I I really believe that if witnesses like those come in this trend of witnesses beget witnesses. Documents beget documents will continue to prove true and it doesn't help the president. It helps the case that we may from the beginning that he put his interest above. America's Kenan argument be made that the president indeed got a fair trial. Even if witnesses don't testify justify America won't get a fair trial if witnesses don't testify and and I think that's what's most important is that both the president and Americans get a fair trial as we know what this president his all about the theater. He's all about the picture as it appears on television division. He is has been said many times. He is producing a television show every day. Would you be surprised if the president threw a wrench into everything and either decided to change up his legal team. And you can tell me if if he would be able to do that midstream. Or and this is not out of the realm of the possible given who were talking about just deciding to show up and testify on his own behalf. There were moments during the impeachment inquiry in the house. Where part of me you know every time the door open and you guys going to walk through and just bring the theatrics more into the room in addition to what he had going for him with the Republican side? So yeah I think this is the person who you know when we all thought he was down and out With the the billy Bush tapes three days later. He's in a debate with Secretary Clinton and he brings Bill Clinton's accusers. He he doubles down with theatrics. Batra I think you have to be prepared for those types of stunt but I don't think that ultimately helps him because either there. He would be admitting what he did insane. I'm allowed to do that is. He's that's been his defense all along. This was a perfect call and I just I just don't think people are ready to say that this was a perfect call or he would have to offer a defense that has contradicted everything he said you know in the past six months about this. Okay so I I don't really I think he ultimately does not appear in issued. A good question. Can you change up his legal team. Generally there's a preference to give give a defendant wide latitude in who their legal team is Meaning you want this case to verdict without a defendant saying well. I didn't have the team I wanted wanted. This was unfair to me so even at someone like Rudy Giuliani who clearly has a conflict. It's probably best to just let him have the legal team. He wants so that he can profile that you deprive me of the due process of having my own team. He's been the president has been saying you know you were saying the perfect call. He also says read the transcript. I'm mystified by the fact that he keeps telling people to read the transcript in those who actually read. It can't possibly come away thinking that. That was a perfect call and that that was a clean call it in. This is where you know. It's complete bullshit. When he says the reason he won't let witnesses come? Forward is executive privilege that all of a sudden this president who has shown no so real concern for the Constitution doesn't really understand how Congress our legal system works is the greatest defender of executive privilege. If that was the case if he cares so much about not opening the door on releasing executive privilege he would not have released the call transcript. That's he would have put his foot down there and said no. I am not releasing the call. I care so much about executive privilege because he can make the same argument for that transcript as he's making for these documents and the witnesses he won't come forward but in his his mind and his corrupt mind in the way he presides over our country. He thinks he can do that. He thinks he has a right to do that so I think he does indeed think it's a a perfect call but I think he's also realized once he released that transcript how damning it was and how much it propelled this inquiry that he's not dumb enough to allow any witnesses to come forward so he was confident and corrupt enough to put the call. Transfer out there because I think he he just thinks I'm allowed to do that but he was also aware at the backlash she receiving this guy more than anything. He knows public opinion and he saw the public support prison. Peach Mint dramatically went up. When that call transcript came out and I think that's why he's trying to stop the dam from bursting with anymore witnesses or documents? I mean the reason why we know about this. Call or the call transcript is because of a whistle blower and so I'm just wondering what happened with the whistle blower and actually have more come forward. I don't even know if you can answer the last that I tell you. That we We receive whistle blower complaints often often at the intelligence committee in when we do. We direct them to the proper agencies that where they come from. the inspectors general general at their agencies If they come to us you know inadvertently or they think that we're the place to go. So it's not unusual that we would have a whistleblower come to us in this case the whistle blower I think through their council. It looked like early on wanted to testify at least in a closed session to Congress but but once the president started making the threats that he did in making the comparisons to you know we used to essentially execute traitors for good reasons the whistle blower feared for their own life in likely the life of people they knew and so At the same time we were getting other courageous witnesses to come forward who corroborated what the whistle blower said so. We saw it as well. The whistle blowers essentially redundant. This is like a person who pulled the fire alarmed because there was smoke in the building and when the Fire Department showed up they saw that the building was collapsing and flames and didn't really need to ask at that point. Like who pulled the fire alarm. There was a fire and interviewing the whistle blower would only jeopardize that person's safety so we figured it wasn't any longer necessary so when Speaker Pelosi announced the house managers and your name was not among them. I put out a tweet that said actually. It's a good thing that congressman swallow is not sign house manager because that means he is free to go on television and take the case before the American people. When they're at home watching television who might not be watching the trial? Are you disappointed that you're not among the house manager. I'm I'm going to help the team Any way that I can't and I've done that on the judiciary intelligence many honestly you know I've I've been asked that question in the way I see it. It's not about me. It's about out with the president. Did and you know my focus is to do all. I can't help that team that we have that talented team. That's over in the Senate right now. Convicted remove the the president. And how likely do you think that is. Give us the witnesses and the documents. He's going to be removed food if he blocked the witnesses. Then the senators will in the short term. You'll have an alibi for not holding him accountable but I think in the long term If they do that you'll see a democratic majority in the Senate for the same reasons that we got one In the house. which was that? The public wanted to have accountability congressman. Eric swallow of the Great State of California. Thank you very much for being on the PODCAST Thanks for listening to Cape Up Tune. In every Tuesday you can find us on apple podcasts and stitcher and how about doing me a huge favor over subscribed rate and review us. I'm trying to think her to the Washington Post. You can find me on twitter at K.. Part Jay.
The GOP wants Biden and the whistleblower to testify
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CNN National Security Reporter. GERMY her welcome back to the podcast. Jeremy thanks for having me. It really is dizzying developments. That are that are presenting themselves. And I think it's hard for people to sort of keep it all straight but I do want to touch on a couple of development in the last several hours last twelve hours or so that have up presented themselves. And get your take about what you're hearing on the hill about what it means for the longer term inquiry. First and foremost I just I just WanNa say this. All again and impeachment agree is a political process not a legal process. I understand that but donald trump according to the Washington post was clearly concerned about the the legal side of this having. He's attorney general bill bar go out and hold a press conference. Apparently according to the post he's been talking about this in recent weeks that he wanted to go out and say Donald Trump did nothing illegal. Can I just get a gut check from you. Of course. Donald trump calls a fake news. And says it didn't can happen. I should note that but the Washington Post stands by. Its story Should I can. I just get a gut check from you on whether or not that. Matters to members of Congress on the hill weather's there was illegal activity versus unethical activity. You know it's interesting. I think that is going to be the question. That will will really take hold when we get to the Senate phase of this should the house pass articles of impeachment we've already been hearing from Senate Republicans well. Maybe this shouldn't have happened. But it's not it doesn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense and I think the idea behind this press conference remember when Muller finished his report. Who did we hear from I? It was bill bar saying effectively effectively. There was no collusion and no obstruction and that was the mantra than we heard from trump and congressional republicans. When we actually found out there was much much more to it when we saw the the redacted acted version of the full report and that Barr had shaped this whole narrative though by coming out and issuing I his letter and then a statement on the day they put out the report very successfully so absolutely early? And so I you know obviously can't get in the mind of the president but I'm guessing given the success of VAT. It would stand to reason that he thought such a similar statement at the same time coming out that they released this transcript would help him politically legally or whatever else he was trying to accomplish with it. The other thing that has emerged in the last couple of days and then more prominently again today again because of the president's twitter feed we had heard initially from Rand Paul this notion that Biden should be called to testify now. Donald Trump is tweeting. That Biden The former vice president should testify again deer hill sources indicate in any way that At least on the house side with Democrats pursuing this inquiry right now that Joe Biden's testimony is required. Here I think that's going to be a no Especially in the Democrat control impeachment inquiry now Republicans do get to request witnesses In the as we move into this phase do they get to requests witnesses before it moves to judiciary Sheree Committee. Yes they do. For the Public Intelligence Committee in fact Adam Schiff has sent a letter to the Republicans former asking them to submit a list of witnesses and their rationale now for why they want to hear from these witnesses. Of course Democrats can reject any and all of those witnesses and the majority and control the Vikings and of course if they were to pip Joe Biden on that list. I think there's zero percent chance he would actually come in the Senate. Of course were rand. Paul is a different story in that it's controlled by Republicans but I- beyond John Rand Paul and maybe a couple of others. The president's closest allies or doesn't seem to be an appetite to kind of try and turn this into a political circus. That would obviously ensue if they did try had a call. Joe Biden So I don't see it as a feasible thing yet but obviously we've seen a lot of different attempts from Republicans to gum up. The works with the process raised complaints about the process. US and we will be able to sit here probably again on the president's twitter feed why isn't aren't the Biden's being called in this inquiry Jeremy. Let's be clear. This is an impeachment. It is going to be a political circus. Focus no matter who is called to testify. But yes I I take your point about the the raw campaign politics of it. All speaking of Republicans wanted to call witnesses. This is Jim Jordan Republican congressman apparently on his list. That he's going to submit to Adam. Schiff is he wants the whistle blower the original whistle blower to come and testify. I believe he said in any way could be public. It could be private but is there any chance that the Democrats would accept that at this stage of the game. Well well for public hearing I think certainly not. We've heard obviously from Adam Schiff multiple times that they are going to do everything they can to protect the whistle blower to keep the whistle blower anonymous unless those aboard wants to be named and at this point the Democrats have indicated. They don't think that they will hear from the whistle blower and they don't need to hear from the lower. Their argument is the whistle. Blower was one who raised. Raise the alarm. who was the one who pulled the fire alarm now? They have all this other evidence from the people who were involved in this. And who have corroborated much of what the whistle blower put in complaint and so their argument is we don't actually need to hear from the whistleblower as we know didn't have first hand knowledge of this you know that doesn't Stop Republicans from trying to get him in. We've we've heard this from rip them. Repeatedly his process has gone on that wired the Democrats trying to bring the whistle blower. They said they wanted him now. They don't and what's happening with that. It's going to be it's going GonNa be another layer much like the Biden's attempts to distract and discredit this whole process from the Democrats and doesn't it seem that even if it's in private it's much more likely that the whistle blowers identity he becomes revealed if they do actually come forward in some way to provide testimony. Oh absolutely and we've seen in From the reporting Out of these depositions already that that they've been fights between Republicans and Democrats Democrats say Republicans are trying to raise name suggesting it could be the whistle blower and asking witnesses. Who are testifying whether they know so so and so or so and so and you know? It's it's certainly a point of contention and there is concern as we've seen from the press the whistle blowers attorneys that. If they were to get in a the room that they did that makes it much more likely that aired entity would be public. Jeremy now I said at the top of the show here that this is a new public phase that is about to happen and it's going to be dramatically different For the American people than what they've seen to date I mean they're going to see a open testimony public hearings. Can you sort of you talked a little bit on the process. The Republicans do get a put some suggestions for witness. Can you walk us through a little bit. About what next week is GonNa look like and what the how this process is GonNa unfold this public phase of it. Yeah this is obviously. This is the build up here because we're seeing that we've seen the transcripts from two of the three three witnesses who are coming in and were suspect. We'll get the third before next week. gives us a sense of what they're gonNA say. We Know Bill Taylor. The top diplomat in Ukraine is gonNA say he. He heard he was told that trump had directed this this whole linkage of aid for an investigation. But now obviously you're taking it to the American people. That's the goal of this is convince the American people that these are impeachable offenses. Is the Democrats goal that this was wrong and that this should not have happened. This is why we are going to impeach them Impeach Donald Trump. It's going to be spectacle You know we don't. We have impeachment inquiries for president once every two decades. Now it seems as about the time. Line And so you know it's hard to say exactly how it's how it's going to be. I'm a Republican side. They're going to add Jordan the committee. It seems that they're definitely talking about it because they want bat attack dog. They want the president's attack so I think it's going to be a very contentious very interesting and well watched affair no doubt about the well watched part I I I When you said Republicans do get to call witnesses in this phase with the intelligence committee where the joint committees? I guess But the president it doesn't get to have his council pose questions to witnesses in this stage of it correct. That's correct okay. That is something that could happen potentially and judiciary exactly exactly got it. Jeremy Thank you so much for being here Stick around if you Ken. We're GONNA be joined right after this break by CNN. National Security analyst Sam Vinaigrette. Finding the right pros for home projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions. 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But I think he's becoming more and more central to to this story or I think his hopes of avoiding being sort of brought into this in some significant way are a bit pie in the sky because I think Democrats are eager to bring him into this but here just vice president pence completely push back today that there's any there there whatsoever. When he was up in New Hampshire and I know it's the facts continue to come out? People will see that the president did nothing wrong that the focus of our administration all of my context presence Alinsky were in the national interest mm-hmm in strengthening our relationship with Ukraine strengthening Ukraine's position against Russian aggression and moving forward the reform agenda the president's and landscape advanced first of all just hard to not notice that he says all of his contacts with presidents. Alinsky were in the national interests Which I thought was pretty intriguing? You though he obviously easily is trying to say that president trump did nothing wrong here. I have a couple questions that flow out of the SAM. One if you know and understand why president trump vice president pence and all of their allies. Keep saying just read the transcript as. They're like exculpatory evidence. I wish you would explain it to me. I don't understand if I read the transcript. I see pretty clear Red Flags here so that's one. I'm not I'm not fully understanding why that why they think that is a solid defense to the reason pence is important. Today is an eight of his is up on Capitol Hill testifying to the committee under subpoena behind closed doors And we hear from the Vice President's communications team owner owner. She's not really a direct aid to the vice president. She advises the Vice President's national security adviser. You've worked in the White House. Can you explain to somebody somebody on Vice President's national security staff count as an aide to the vice president. Yes let me start with that one and then go back to the vice president's throwing Spaghetti Spaghetti at the wall defense defense the Office of the vice president or what we call called. VP is staffed by With men and women that have specific geographic functionalities finalities as well as for example cover things like international ECON. This woman from what we understand covered Ukraine. She it's not like she had a direct report to vice president pence but her job was on behalf of taxpayers. Who paid her and still pay her to cover everything related to Ukraine and then to share that with General Kellogg within share that with Vice President Pence? So that Vice President pence could do his taxpayer-funded duties which include meeting with Ukrainian officials. And I'll come back to that in a second so while it is true that she didn't not have a direct report to vice president pence. She was hired by Vice President Pence Office to cover Ukraine on behalf of the vice president. What does that mean? That means Alright briefing General Kellogg with them. Brief Vice President Pence on relevant conversation with Ukrainian officials like for example a phone call between the president of the United States and the president of Ukraine which she was on which she was on so after that call. Even if the written transcript wasn't ready right away she'd give verbal readout to General Kellogg and ahead head of vice president pence his trip to meet with presidents Alinsky. Remember trump said he couldn't go because of the hurricane she would get a whole package of information nation together for the vice president to read on the plane so that he could be well-briefed before he saw presidents Linski. It appears he's still not well briefed. Because even today he was talking about about well I was talking to this Alinsky and Europeans about the Europeans needing to do more. He clearly doesn't know the facts or doesn't want to acknowledge the facts. With respect to security assistance Ukraine the Europeans pins grossly outspend us in terms of assistance to Ukraine but she would have prepared all those materials for the vice president and typically vice president meets with his subject matter expert before going to meet get a foreign official so they're trying to distance themselves from her but she was hired again to be his foremost advisor on Ukraine. Now this why why. They're doing this. I just read the transcript gamut the best way I can describe. It is information warfare. They're trying to convince the American people that's what is in the transcript. Isn't that bad. When in fact we all read it? We see explicitly say we all I read it. I've seen explicit link between The cranes green to investigate the president's rivals levels and Favor from the president but David every day. There's a different defense it's read the transcript. There's nothing wrong or it's well. Maybe there was a quid pro. Roku Mulvaney tried to say this happens all the time or he did something wrong. But it's not an impeachable offense so today's Thursday. Let's see what they do Friday Germany. Do you have a sense of What we expect from this testimony from the Penn state up on the hill? I mean I think what Democrats are eager to learn is what did she tell the pens if anything what did she tell Kellogg and did she express concerns after this call. You know she is now. I believe the third official that the Democrats and the Republicans have spoken to who who was actually on this July twenty fifth phone call and they've heard varying explanations. I Lieutenant Colonel Vitamin said. He was very concerned about the call while Tim Morrison and other. NFC staffer offer said that you know he he. He was concerned about the call leaking but he wasn't actually concern with the contents of the call. So this'll help fill out first-hand information mation for them in addition to getting at whether vice president plants played more of a role than we know so far SAM. I can't help but notice. You're wearing a Hoodie here. As we record this painted integer that has the logo of the White House situation reminded presedential seal. I know you've spent some time in that room And it it brings me me too. The NAH the former national security advisor of the trump administration near John Bolton who didn't show up today and the Democrats have made a calculation not not to subpoena him at least for now. And there's some talk about not wanting to have this all mired down in the courts but now it looks like the Bolton folks are trying to put out that Well he'd be willing to talk if he had to. Is there to ease this process full and complete if we don't hear from John Bolton if the committee doesn't hear from John Bolton I don't think it's full and complete but I think even what what we have today and Being the neurotic person that I met I am. I read all the depositions that had become public just from what we have alone. And I'm eagerly waiting to see lieutenant. Colonel Denman's deposition has wellspring on a hill is because again remember. They were in the White House working with Bolton. We have pretty galling picture of what's been going on for a long time according to Marie Ivanovich actually for well over a year. So do we need his testimony. No would it be helpful particularly in a public setting. Yes because what we're waiting to hear frankly is did anybody actually expressed concern the president himself about what was going on. Did anyone tell the president that what was going on was wrong long you know. John Bolton reportedly had a lot of strong feelings concerns about what was happening. He instructed ambassador bill tailored right a cable back to Secretary of State Pompeo. He told his team to quote unquote breath the lawyers by the way kind of report to him. So that's a little bit of a cop out but we don't know is whether anybody told the president that what he was doing was undermining foreign policy that it was dangerous and there's potentially legal so Bolton's testimony could be very helpful but I don't know that it's necessary to proceed with The inquiry itself. So you obviously served on the National Security Council what what is going through the minds of these career officials. Who are Bill Taylor? Marie Ivanovich you are about to come testify publicly in this crazy political impeachment inquiry. Can you give us a sense of kind of how you think. They're preparing for this. Well I think that they're probably deeply upset for a few reasons. One is they just want onto their jobs. I mean I lived through the Gazi testimonies and in the first instance this is a massive resource drain. Having take time away. Bill Taylor had to travel back here. This is a necessary inquiry but is a massive resource strangest and try in terms of preparation number two. We know from Ambassador McKinley testimony and about Basser tillers testimony and remastering which is testimony. This is having a major impact within the State Department right now and I would imagine what the national security counsel as well people feel abandoned by their leadership particularly Pompeii oh. We've had a Aaron reporting on that Jeremy and so I think the longer term concern is a hollowing hollowing out of US government agencies because people feel that when they serve they are no longer protected and that they have no one really advocating for them when they're under Undue who pressure so I. I think that's probably what's going through their minds S- about the short term Negative impact the longer term impact on the US government. And then. Finally we weekending nor this. They're at risk marie-yvonne of its express that in her testimony. We've seen the president personally. Go after these witnesses and you know I served in a war zone. I served in Iraq. I got something called Hazard. Pay Because you put yourself in the line of fire at this point we have American public servants worried about their safety. Not Because of bombs or terrorist I attacks but because the president is tweeting insults about them and exposing them to rescue that is just a watershed moment for any career official. And it's incredibly dangerous to put mildly. Oh my God that just gave me chills as he said that. Jeremy Sam. Thank you for joining me on the daily. DC Impeachment Watch and thanks to our listeners. We've got a new episode for you every weeknight so please make sure to subscribe on Apple. 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"Searle impeach as support grows for impeachment both Republican stay strong for president trump the American p this Sunday the impeachment battle they're pursuing valley tops Dr Michael Schmidt correspondent for the New York Times Peggy Noonan columnist for the Wall Street Journal Democratic Pollster Cornell Belcher and Ashley Parker Disturbing Development US officials tell that those same militias ones that include al Qaeda and Isis members have advanced even further in tractor from northern Syria. and Richard. You're on the phone with us now just tell us what you've been seeing White House reporter for the Washington Post welcome this Sunday it's meet the press from NBC News in Washington vehicles they are advancing close to US forces US horses tell us that unless those forces withdraw immediately support for impeachment and president trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani now reportedly being investigated for his lobbying work in Ukraine but we're going to start with breaking news from Syria where Turkey the house impeachment inquiry scenes of ethnic cleansing by Pro Turkish forces in Syria we saw for the first time Lynch atrocity would giving Turkey essentially the green light to attack the Kurds by sit down with Mr Trump's first defense secretary general James Mattis ordered as a Turkish against the Kurds but it is much much more than that Turks are now using militia element extremist militia element opened a criminal investigation into Rudy Giuliani's worked in Ukraine my guest this morning Democratic Congressman Eliot Engel New York one of the committee chairs leading Good Morning Show in television history this is chuck good Sunday morning we do have a lot to get to this morning including the ground being cut off this is a very serious situation it has turned a corner because of these extremists bullish also here are on the ground situation is has unleashed a brutal assault on our allies the Kurds that invasion came after president trump essentially gave Turkey the go ahead and NBC News Chief Foreign Right Dancing yesterday those forces themselves released the video some people might find disturbing apparently executing Kurdish fan by the side of the road celebrating on angles reporting on scenes of alleged atrocities carried out by Turkish back Arab militias and these have been caught on camera. Richard is covering this that we are told of. US intelligence believe includes former members of al-Qaeda including and former members of al-Qaeda those horses the and the politics of character assassination is there a limit to what voters will accept joining me for insight and analysis here rating rapidly Kurdish officials tell us had one of these prison camps holding hundreds of family members of Isis Isis supporters as been through riots and attempts to escape at the prison where we are so the situation is not how it has been portrayed over the last several days as a conventional Turkish assaults carried out by Turkish backed Arab militias this after president trump orders a pullback of US troops who are getting out of the endless wars have to do crisis since Watergate and illegal invalid and unconstitutional impeachment president trump which sessions then wrote a letter to Secretary of State Pompeo asking him to consider terminating her ambassadorship partisan fruman also disguise the publican's for pulling US troops out of northern Syria the other battle the president is fighting is impeachment and it's also the direct result of his own actions in that case he's accused of using the power of his office lashing out as he grows increasingly isolated impeachment. I never thought I'd see or hear that word with regard to me times reports that the president's lawyer Rudy Giuliani is under federal criminal investigation into whether he violated foreign lobbying laws in his work in Ukraine Chuck things here are developing very rapidly US officials are increasingly concerned have so far seen a Turkish assault that is a way to be the president seemed to quickly try to distance himself well I don't know I haven't spoken to Rudi I spoke to him yesterday yes it is a great gentleman he was a great mayor I know nothing about him being under investigation to of Giuliani's business associates soviet-born left but one that involves militias one that now agreeing those militias right on the doorstep of US forces Richard Angle with Some earnest and Eager Freeman who helped investigate Joe Biden and Ukraine were arrested late Wednesday charged with allegedly funneling foreign money into the US elections this investigation is about corrupt behavior deliberate lawbreaking according to the indictment the two men donated money violating legal limits to the all of the concern people like yourself bipartisan lawmakers had expressed is now happening what can we what is first of a three hundred twenty five thousand dollar donation to A PRO-TRUMP SUPERPAC gentlemen you're in pink possible I have a picture with them because very disturbing developments there Richard stay safe as you cover this story and thank you for bringing that important information president trump is under fire even from I will refer absolutely a given that they will come back and I'll talk to Republican Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky finally it coming into contact with US group state that they're lying indication their actual supply line them and occurred ard rhys job because her anticorruption efforts and Ukraine frustrated their political goals I heard very bad things about her and Fli he's a very good attorney has been my attorney show and there is some confusion as to whether or not you still consider him your attorney is he your attorney I sanctions at this point going to do anything I mean the president threatened sanctions on Friday it didn't stop the Turks from doing what they're doing no it's not going to stop but the in Congressman Pete sessions referred to as congressman one asking him for help to remove or recall the US ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yvonne Interfere in a foreign country Ukraine for political gain with Rudy Giuliani personal emissary as a result we may be seeing the country's most serious constitutional they have been our loyal and faithful allies for so many years and after this whole again would trust the United States to be an ally disgraceful that the president the unites of the United States is facilitating I hate to put an eastern isn't too late to do anything I mean is this sort of and and what it essentially does is first of all it condemns the president's policy with regard to to the Kurds thing to be done now well I hope that the house will vote for my bill I have two bills that were putting up this week and it's by I predict we're going to have many many more days weeks and months of terrible things like this is what it is with President Trump he likes christened by the way Mike McColl is a ranking Republican member on my foreign affairs committee and he is doing this with me angle McCall Bill and prisoners we've gotten reports they've been released or they've escaped and so this is just the tip of the iceberg and if we think this is terrible all these countries including Turkey from falling into the Soviet or and so how how ironic now seventy five years later a Turkey is looking at the Russians it let's say the president said you know what I've seen this video I wanNA stop this at this point we put it we'd be putting our troops in harm's way with the Turks which is very important in slapped sanctions on on Turkey and all the people involved with what's going on what does that do though on Ukraine I'm asking you if it's appropriate for president to ask a foreign power to investigate his domestic political rival yes or no let's say that I don't know that we have that of them who who would think that it pays for them to align themselves with us nobody this is going to make people fully from us and it's just absolutely angle. He is one of the three committee chairs that officially leaning this House impeachment inquiry German angle welcome to the the press thank you it's great to be here I want to start with what normally you're you're Russians are the the the adversaries of NATO and if you if you go back to the end of World War Two the United States have prevented oh can into the detainees inside have managed to escape we just came from a prison and saw that every day now the there are he turkeys technically NATO ally so it's technically in American ally are they acting like an American ally oh no they're acting just the opposite I mean they are they are acting like Russian out of NATO I think it's something that needs to be considered I mean how do you have a NATO ally who is in in cahoots with the Russians sir has been a highly respected career ambassador we have many many of those Emma State Department and from the time she came to Ukraine she was harassed this shouting I'll I'll walk far colleague we are told those kind of executions are continuing today and then in very strong man he likes to associate himself with people I've earned a one liter of Turkey yeah but that is not what the United States should be doing two things virus cold or somebody recalled it but very very bad things about it for a long period of done Republican senators especially those in tough reelection fights have duct direct questions Oh yes we we we we could mitigate the damage but of course it's it's spiraling quickly and what's happened of course is a lot of isis days are filled with which is the foreign affairs of this country and what's happening you just saw Richard ingles report from what he's seen on the ground and what we've seen there it seems as if the picture with everybody I don't know maybe they were clients of Rudy you'd have to ask on Friday event testified that Rudy Giuliani and president trump forced her out of her you have said you're fine if there is a vote in the house impeachment inquiry why not at this point why not put everybody on the record Republicans and Democrats everybody seems to want to be on the record we have to have some kind of response chuck I can think of nothing more disgusting in all the years I've been in Congress then what this president is allowing to happen with the Kurds he also sits on the Foreign Relations Committee on the Senate side Senator Paul is also the author of the new book the Case Against Socialist Senator Paul Welcome back to meet the Press Sir doesn't bother me to vote but you know the Republicans would rather talk about anything else then about what's really happened so they throw this out that there should be a vote if we had to vote on that I am not to be is saying on the no quid pro quo comment and its tax that he was essentially saying that was the president what do you make of it says we're trying to do the president of course at every turn is trying to stymie us at every turn is trying to make a disregard us you know remember when you were the check and balance the executive Gordon Sunlen they ambassador to the EU now a says he wants to testify despite the administration encouraging Eliot Engel Chair of the House Foreign Relations Committee one of the three committee chairs running this inquiry thanks for coming on insurance abuse is always a pleasure chuck you joining me now is Republican Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky Live for seven years was just shows how messy this is Turkeys and ally the free Syrian army was an ally for seven years and the Kurds have been allies in Syria so it's a very complicated messy situation but I think a lot of people are not acknowledging the Turkey was coming in one way or another and fifty soldiers would simply be in the way and Beatrice now no it doesn't make sense because obviously he shouldn't be but apparently US close relations with the president and the president liked him of SORTA Sunlen try to take a step back it seems well let me say first of all I'm delighted that he's coming in and we think it'll be this Thursday I'm anticipating I'm looking and they got rid of her and she she didn't know I'm saying things that that this generally known because I'm not really allowed to say what what happened well I think one of the things about the Arab militias that's Turkey is using that your reporter reported on it's interesting that some of them are from the free Syrian army which was our so now I they are buying Russia and missile systems not not buying the United States Mr Mr we kick them out of NATO should we be should there be a movement to kick a Turkey acquire too much worse outcome and so I think the president was right in moving fifty soldiers out of the way of an onslaught of tens of thousands of Turkeys so convinced that it seems as if it our national security interests to somehow figure out how the Kurds can live with the Turks the other interesting thing that people don't mention is all the Kurds aren't the same the And I want to get to that in a minute but are you concerned that this decision was too hasty in it and it sort of created a more chaotic situation than necessary in it and I'm not GonNa get whether it was exactly fifty and all of that but it does seem as if our soldiers being there was serving as a deterrent to air to one an inquiry a couple of things ambassador von which what did you learn from her that we were that you think the American public needs to know well first of all the in in the wake of tens of thousands of people coming across the border one hundred year old war between the Turks and the Kurds realize the president's asking is it in they come up with six other things that needs to be vote okay I think it needs to be an impeachment inquiry and we should stop being delaying tactics Republicans Congress discussion Kurds homeland I'd like to get the Turks involved as well look it's an interesting proposal I think you're not alone in that I think a lot of folks would argued it at some point rid of time they weren't they weren't they weren't until the Turks decided there were coming the church gave us forewarning there were coming and the president made a judgment that I think most military unders would agree with that you don't have fifty soldiers you don't go to war with fifty soldiers fifty surgers don't deter anything wants a Turk said they were coming it would have been foolish to fifty seven Jackie Kurds actually are cooperating with Turkey to turn in Kurdish Workers Party officials that they see as terrorists so the Iraqi Kurds are actually turning over some of these a kid and you learn to the different branches of government checks and balances we'll take that on and throw it out because the president doesn't think that the Congress has any right forward to hearing what he has to say because he certainly key and I and I understand why the ambassador EU was the point person on I don't Ukraine you you've not gotten an answer had a proposal and how you would handle the situation at the time and I want to play it for you because I'm curious if you still hold the same view take a listen to I would occurred it's a prosperous oil region and there's back and forth between the Turks and the Kurds and it actually works pretty well but these Kurds don't actually get along with the Syrian Kerr mation in front of us this thank you for joining me now is the chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Elliott British Semi Autonomous Region in Iraq so what I was referring to his Iraq and I still do agree with that sentiment but here's one of the interesting things as we've gotten stability in Iraq and as the Kerr the Kurds need a home shared that idea what the President I haven't talked specifically about it but the interesting thing is that kind of do have a homeland there's a words have a lot of self control and governing some sort of like a province there's actually eighteen hundred Turkish businesses doing business in that part of Iraq is controlled a America made a commitment to these folks you may not have agreed with that policy decision at the time but abandoning could lead to a worse outcome and it looked at we're going to see the full transcripts at some point I think it's point of all of these folks Kurt Volker all of these interviews these eight nine hour sessions are we likely the American pie them on the record well we can go on the record by actually having impeachment hearings I don't know that we need another step to kind of push it further back music bother you to vote provide armaments to the Kurds as well in fact I'd go one step further I promise them a homeland ns state but I would do it in conjunction with talks with Turkey would have to be a three way so well and many of the Syrian Kurds trying to break off part of Turkey into an independent country. It's been going on for really close to one hundred years many the Kurds in Syria what he said is we're going to wipe out isis which was into the benefit also of the Kurdish people who lived in that region we know well that's that's yeah we should vote on it we should vote on it in Congress and declare war if that's what people want senator what do you I get that what about that line that says say that's a these are not easy easy decisions I'm not what do you say to that line but you know what president trump said was not I'm committed to making a Kurdish homeland the Saudis are going to pay for those troops are you comfortable with the US military being treated almost like a mercenary force for the Saudis the sons and daughters of American mothers and Fathers Am I going to send them there to die to try to figure out how the Kurds and the Turks can get along and I don't see that in our national interest words that are aligned with the Syrian so realize that all the Kurds aren't the same on every side of every border well I'm glad you brought this up when you were running for president you actually we're going to read these strengths well I think the American public should are the American public has a right to know and I think that we need to open the door and let the fresh air come in that's what the Democrats and I'm curious are you disturbed at all by the role Rudy Giuliani's been playing as a private citizen here possibly dabbling in a foreign foreign affairs everybody needs to be at the table having this discussion very quickly the president and the same time this week quietly sent more troops to Saudi Arabia and claims that the really to tell you the truth what needs to happen we need to exert our leverage in our pressure to bring all sides together and ultimately it's probably in the Kerr's best interest to be allied with ways that frankly is now being investigated but there seemed to be almost like shadow foreign policy that he might have been running that bother you at all I think what's interesting have to debate in Congress we are my oldest to the constitution my oath is into some promise that somebody thinks we made for a Kurdish homeland we should vote and here's the wrote a letter to the Ukrainian government and said if you don't keep investigating trump we may reconsider our bipartisan support for your aid both parties seem to be doing this like they're the best friends in the world or the ones that bad guy and I'm disgusted American president would feel comfortable with someone like one let me move to your the impeachment think having troops in Saudi Arabia becomes a magnet for all the crazy jihadists around the world to motivate them to attack again on the issue of impeachment. What's been going on in fact I would withhold troops and arms from the Saudis until we see better behavior I think that arms are uniquely belong to the American people and that we shouldn't be sending about this is both sides seem to be doing the same thing if anything is consistent here it's that both parties have tried to evolve themselves in Ukraine so for example for Senators Democrats to be debated but I would say is isis is been militarily defeated and whether they come back or not is conjectured this point but what I would say is this we automated him it's not a justification obviously it was terrible and he got what he deserved but one of the things he said that motivated him were troops in what they consider to be their Holy Land and so I and sovereignty but had a semi autonomous region up there you might find some peace with that as Syria would guarantee that they're not going to have incursions across the border into Turkey which me you're going to condemn trump you need to condemn the Democrat senators it shouldn't be just one sided everybody's going after President trump someone needs to actually an objectively evaluate a letter from four Democrats said to Ukraine if you don't keep investigating trump we will reconsider our bipartisan support for aid that's a threat and that's the same kind of stuff they're accusing trump of area actually were expelled or X. out from Turkey back in the nineteen twenties thirties and forties so there's this long history and the question we have to ask is and I have to ask him I'm going to send words were given some semi autonomy in their region it could develop the way it is in Iraq currently in Iraq you have a semi autonomous region? What if the Kurds were under series the Saudis is to we see a change in their behavior but it's inconsistent to say we're not going to be there for endless senseless wars and had them in Saudi Arabia one of the things that bin Laden said thin anyway I just wouldn't give them the period I wouldn't say you get the eight if you do X. for me I would say we don't have the money let's take care star home let's build roads and bridges in America you get to the bottom of it all right see you wanted to get that in there so you think it's perfectly legitimate for the president to use personal attorney to go to a foreign country and seek help for a political campaign I think it's equally as legitimate as the Democrats going there and saying hey we should investigate trump they really did Menendez talking about their senator they were told well I think ultimately the American people are going to say they're going to their hands and say well Biden threaten the aid you know Menendez misleading I understand that that that they could and we won't vote they don't know who declare world we'll get declare war on Turkey and we end declare war on the free Syrian army which was our ally for seven years or we're gonNA declare war on the side and Chuck Next Robin me Let me start with the news of the morning I hope you caught our report from Richard Engel and what he's seen on the ground I know where you views are philosophically facade but as long as we continue to say thought has to go we're never getting to a peaceful situation Assad is staying in Assad roll-on with the Kurds and the but nobody's talking about that the Democrats are doing exactly the same thing unfortunately I'm out of time senator rampal good luck with your new book thanks for coming on and sharing your views I appreciate it we're not going to stay in a partisan which some though stay silent when say that I don't know that we have that information in front of us and reports emerged that the feds well what I would do is I wouldn't give many a that would committee gate because we don't have any money we're borrowing money from China does into Ukraine so I disagree with trying to manipulate gas lit and think that it's all equal and in both sides of it but argument argument because they're both doing the same two wrongs make a right I think a lot of Americans see the fifty thousand dollars a month hundred and was making and it doesn't pass the smell test I think most people do think there was some corruption involved with Hunter Biden and I hope not over there are you comfortable with the Rudy Giuliani he's been playing on behalf of the President I don't really know enough about what he's doing a new travel there to try to seek information on one hundred Biden's corruption eh afford who is doing some shady business right now in that business he was doing but Democrats senators. Well here's the thing you knew for the Press Chuck Todd cast it's an insider's take on politics the two thousand twenty election more candid conversations with some of my favorite thank you when we come back my sit down with President Trump's first secretary of Defense Jim Mattis and what he has to say about the US withdrawal from northern Syria they acting like an ally right now well nations have interests and they have legitimate security concerns about what has happened with the PK K. and the active insurgency well over eleven thousand killed over twenty three thousand wounded so you see how we are fighting this enemy doing it in a way by with and through allies absolutely a given that they will come back it's Turkey an ally Turkey is a NATO ally absolutely NATO ally I understand that officially how concerned should we be about abandoning an ally like the Kurds that maybe twenty years down the road this comes to I think secretary of State Action Overall of international alliances General Mattis also the author of a new book call sign chaos learning delete I sat down with him yesterday morning before we learned of the alleged side Turkey. I think that what we've gotta do is try to find the common ground Turkey's security is not enhanced by the pullback of the American forces alliance that we have one allies the fight against Isis was fought largely by the Syrian Democratic Forces we have lost during several years in Syria for example less than a dozen troops each one a tragedy but the Syrian democratic forces primarily the Kurds have lost is going to be very difficult for the American at this point there's a movie called Charlie Wilson's war that the theme of it is is Jim Mattis resigned as president trump's first defense secretary did so over policy differences including the president's decision then to withdraw US forces from Syria and Israel words are adapting to the Turkish attacks and we'll have to see if they're able to maintain the fight against Isis it's going to have an impact question is how much how would you turn this around now if you could has to do with the Americans walking away from the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan and of course we can we all know what happens twenty years later that spreads the load so it's not just the American people the American taxpayer the American troops carrying the full load do you feel as if are we still doing this fight out of Iraq but the enemy gets the vote we say in the military and in this case if we don't keep the
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"Post report is sponsored by the acid podcast produced by the Center for American Progress Action Fund district productive and protect the investigation in season to the acid explains how trump is trying trying to use the government of Ukraine to help him win in twenty twenty download the asset today from the newsroom of the Washington. Post ext you watching portions. Laurie honey. I'm this is post reports Martinez powers. It's Wednesday December fourth today. What constitutional scholars say say about impeachment the NBA star trying to influence foreign policy? And why millennials are turning to strategy. Well today we had the first hearing in the Judiciary Committee which is a way of saying we actually had the next phase of the impeachment process process. The House Committee on the judiciary will come to order. I'm Shane Harris. I cover intelligence and national security for the post and covered the impeachment. The House of Representatives Intelligence Committee has completed. We think its investigation. They've come up with a report now. The action moves to judiciary were they will ultimately craft craft. Those articles of impeachment at the House would vote on the record compiled thus far shows. The president is committed several impeachable offense framers provided lighted for the impeachment of the president because they feared that the president might abuse the power of his office. Today's testimony was hearing from from constitutional law scholars trying to provide a framework for how to think about the president's acts and the allegations against him he struck at the very part of what makes this a republic to which we pledge allegiance if Congress fails to impeach here than the impeachment process has lost all meaning and how the the constitution forms underpinning four impeachment and whether his actions rise to the level or the standard or the idea that the framers had about what constitutes an impeachable act. Which of course is a very kind of tough question because the constitution says precious little about what has an impeachable offense and so what are we heard so far from them and whether they think that these actions rise to impeachable offense three out of the four witnesses clearly clearly do and we should say that those three are the ones that were called by Democrats the fourth one? While he emphasized he is no fan of president trump as he put. It doesn't think that the evidence is there merit impeachment but for the ones who think that it is. They're essentially making. I think a very kind of core argument saying look the whole point of the impeachment. Clause Noah Feldman Albin from Harvard spoke. Maybe clearly to this that I heard the abusive power occurs when the president uses his office for personal advantage or gain that matters fundamentally to the American people because if we cannot impeach a president who abused his office for personal advantage we no longer. We're live in a democracy. We live in a monarchy or we live under a dictatorship. That's why the framers created the possibility of impeachment. If what we're saying is that the president in the course of his judy's abuses the power of his office and he cannot be impeached for that abuse than he effectively is above the law professor Gerhard. What is your view? I I of course agree with Professor Carlin Professor Feldman I and I just want to stress. That if this were if what we're talking about is not impeachable the nothing is impeachable. If this isn't impeachable conduct what is and felt very strongly that the impeachment clause was was designed for precisely this kind of behavior when you talk about high crimes and misdemeanors has the founders understood it in the British common law context. It would be abusive office for some kind of personal or political gain. And they see what president trump did as Leicester Tha that. This is precisely the misconduct that the framers created a constitution institution including impeachment to protect against in the. There's no action if we if Congress concludes they're going to give a pass. The president here Professor Caroline suggested earlier every other president president will say okay then I can do the same thing. And the boundaries will just evaporate and not only when it comes to president trump's actions with regard to Ukraine but also his actions during the course of the impeachment inquiry and to what extent he is complied or complied with requests from Congress exactly and again Feldman and others at this point that by refusing to cooperate by refusing to let executive branch. French officials testify before the committee's by refusing to hand over documents the president is saying I will not participate in this process. Switches the only process that exists in our country for ultimately checking the power or abuse of office by the president. We can't indict him. We know that I remember that from the Miller. report that famous office of Legal Counsel memo. You can't indicted sitting president that was the big takeaway I was the big takeaway and in impeachment is the only remedy. So if the president isn't is refusing to comply participate in again this constitutionally authorized sanctioned activity and he is according waiting to some scholars view placing himself outside the process and therefore above the law. And that would be an impeachable offense as well so in this hearing today. Did we get a better sense either from these law professors or even from the questions that were asked of these law professors. What the potential charges against the president might eight or will be will definitely obstruction? I think we'll be in there and that's kind of a given but that's sort of feels like a secondary offense right. This question still remains will. The central issue be bribery and there was a lot of discussion about bribery. Which of course is one of the crimes noted since bribery treason and high crimes and misdemeanors in the constitution? And Actually Pamela Karlan. ORLANDS been some time as the professor from Stanford talking about bribery or solicitation of a bribe. And why that is actually still a crime under. US law bribery occurred when and officials solicited received or offered a personal favor or benefit to influence official action risking that he would put his private welfare above the national national interest. So we got some sense. I think that maybe bribery will go in there but there is also this concept of impeachment in the high crimes and misdemeanors phrase kind of covering all manner of sins and abuse of office. The idea of abuse of the public trust high crimes. Were thinking about it like a crime against the state or a crime against the country and and so I would imagine the Democrats are going to want to be as specific as they can and that Kinda gets you into the realm of the you know. The high crimes and misdemeanors peace and actually at the Democratic Council was questioned witnesses. Making sure to point out that it doesn't have to be crime quote unquote as in in criminal statute to be impeachable but at the same time you know if you go down the road of saying okay it's bribery then in the Senate trial. Does it start to look like a criminal trial where you have to prove all the elements of the case of bribery as it's understood in the criminal code versus Mrs as it's understood in the constitution. And that's where things start to get a little fuzzy and maybe politically legally risky for Democrats. Think so this hearing in the House Judiciary Trey Committee was the big event of today but we actually saw something pretty major. Come out yesterday with the release of the three hundred page report from the Intelligence Committee Feature Adam Schiff basically laying out all the facts of their impeachment inquiry investigation. was there anything new from this report did we. Did we learn anything. That wasn't apparent from the many hearings and depositions and testimonies that we've heard them for the most part and no I mean it is very interesting to see it laid out here in a in an argument demint in presenting the case. And it's very interesting. How it mirrors the Muller report in one respect for the first part sort of about the crime and the second part is the cover up but there was something new that caught a lot of of attention that we had not seen before in terms of evidence and that is phone logs that the house investigators obtained it seems like from phone companies involving specifically Rudy Giuliani and his conversations with officials in the White House and the Office of Management and budget? Any mysterious individual identified only by the phone number Burton negative. One mind that has like the minus sign number one very mysterious very mysterious. A lot of reminded me of individual one from previous indictments diamonds. Of course was the president. And there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that mind. Negative one may be in fact the president so right now we're not sure what the negative one number is but but what what do we know from from those locks for the long show. Is that Rudy. Giuliani at various key points. In this whole story of the Ukraine affair was in touch with people in the White House House and was in touch with some of his own associates from a Gore Fruman and love Parnasse. These two characters who've been Now indicted as well well as a conservative newspaper columnist and these dates that he is in frequent touch with them all coincide with important moments such as the firing of ambassador marie-yvonne rich and Ukraine rain during the period in early August in which the White House was trying to set up this meeting for president of Ukraine with President trump which of course becomes an element of this alleged quid pro quo in the weeks before the April twenty fifth announcement by Joe Biden that he was going to run for president. There is a flurry of conversations between. Giuliani Love Parnis and John on Solomon this conservative writer for the hill and ultimately on that day there's a column put out by John Salomon criticizing Joe Biden bringing up all these issues in Ukraine. Rain Rudy Giuliani. Then has a conversation with negative one and a little bit later. President trump. On Sean Hannity Talking About John Solomon Article so when you put these things together. It's not that it's necessarily revealing any new conspiracy or new activities within the alleged conspiracy but it's giving a lot more detail and it's just more. I think powerful and kind affixing evidence if you like really pins down who rudy. Giuliani is talking. To in these key players at these key moments this is evidence of Rudy. Giuliani coordinating the smear campaign and coordinating elements of a quid pro quo between the White House in Ukraine. It's important that we don't know what was said on these phone calls. But when you look at the frequency the number of times he was in contact with key people potentially even the president around these moments that are the very kind of key events in the impeachment. So these phone calls or these phone logs would theoretically help. Democrats build on this appearance of of who is influencing Rudy Rudy Giuliani who is implementing the president but also the phone logs revealed something new. Yes they revealed that Devon Nunez the ranking member number the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee which was the one that had all of those impeachment witnesses. A couple weeks ago that he was in touch with among others including Rudy Giuliani. This this man love Parnasse. Who is an associate of Giuliani's and who is now under indictment on this shadowy figure who has played a role in smear campaign Heynen Rudy Giuliani's conduct in Ukraine Devin Nunes has dismissed this and at one point even kind of claimed that he didn't remember ever talking to this Mandla partners. This is really key though because the questions about what really Giuliani was doing what these two associates were up to. These were the matters being investigated by the committee on which Devin Nunes is the ranking member and wouldn't that theoretically be some kind of conflict of interest devin nunes is the one who is investigating this it was also behind the scenes having phone calls with some of the people who are being investigated. It's a huge conflict of interest for him not to have disclosed that for him not to have disclosed his phone calls halls with Rudy Giuliani. At the very least raises the question of. Why did he feel he didn't need to do that? That these these things are absolutely Germane to the issues. Here's a play here. and has he said anything so far about why he didn't disclose that what this phone calls. Were about some kind of explanation. He went on Fox News in said he's already Guiliani unlocked. Giuliani a longtime. He has phone calls with lots of people He said he didn't remember having conversations with love Parnasse. I mean we have the phone logs. I don't really recall. Call that name. I remember. They named now because he's been indicted but why would CNN rely on on somebody like this. And I'll go back and check on my records but it seems seems very unlikely that I would be taking calls from random people but again if we're talking about conflict of interest even the appearance of conflict of interest is something that traditionally nationally people try to avoid. It raises a whole lot of questions. I think about Nunez's judgment and why at a moment when the national attention was absolutely fixed on these questions in these events he didn't feel the need to disclose. Hey I've had phone conversations with people who are play here so what happens next in the impeachment impeachment process so next we will probably be moving on. I would think next week to crafting the articles of impeachment and. Is there a deadline for them to do this. Do they have a date set by when they're going to decide what the charges will be when they'll be voting. We think from reporting that the Democrats would like to get his wrapped up and have a vote in the House of Representatives for impeachment before Christmas. So we're talking about a really rapid schedule. Hear in writing. Articles of impeachment is only happened a few times in the history of the country so this is a very rapid time line on which to do this all the while. Of course the president will be insisting. It's not fair. Republicans will be saying that they haven't been given a given due process but this train is moving at a fast club chain much. Shane Harris is a national security reporter for the Post. So good afternoon and thank you for what being here today. Thank you to Innis. Kanter of the Boston Celtics for joining us. And so a day before Turkish President Richard Type Air to one visits. The White House assured each other that Turkey will continue to uphold what. It's supposed stew appalled. I'm a big fan of the president. NBA Star and Turkish political dissident and his canter was on Capitol Hill making making the rounds and helping introduce human rights. Legislation aimed Turkey. I'm Jacob. Oh gauge I read about sports for the Washington Post people people should feel very lucky and very blessed to be in this country because You know there's the Markazi Freedom There is no human rights in this country. And you know sadly none of this this is someone from the NBA. Hugh is is lobbying on Capitol Hill when a foreign leader comes yeah. This is a basketball player. He's a power forward. You six eleven. He has giant arms. He dunks things He's very good basketball but he's been on the Lam from his home country. He's from Turkey. He's from Turkey. And he's been in avoiding Turkey and avoiding the Turkish government since a failed coup there in two thousand sixteen. He was very outspoken about about the way president air to one under a new constitution in Turkey consolidated powers in a way that an Kanter sees his autocratic you know bigger than myself is bigger than NBA Spiga basketball because what's happening in Turkey juices that human tragedy because all the oldest people out there are just get tortures in jails getting rapeseed zinc suffering. And so he's used as platform as an NBA player and his long career in the NBA. Yeah he's only twenty seven but he's been in the League for nine years he's played for like four or five different teams. Who does he play for now? The Boston Celtics and so- everywhere. He's gone in his NBA career since the coup which has been like four teams. He's recruited the elected officials from the cities to the cause. So we're talking everywhere everywhere from Oklahoma City to New York. So guys like Peter King in respect canton view. His family's been persecuted. Beauty certainly been oppressed are just as much a fan of his canter. As Ron Wyden from Oregon President I have come to the Senate floor this afternoon to talk about a young man named Ns kanter Ns is a bright and intelligent checked and soft spoken guy. Ed markey senior senator from Massachusetts. I'm committed to doing everything I can to ensure that. Ns can do his job safely safely and exercises right to free speech. I'M GONNA have Ennis's back. I'm going to be standing with him. He is is almost universally beloved at this point From wherever he's played in this delegations on Capitol Hill so much so that he almost must has his own voting caucus now whenever he shows up and says this is an issue. I care about at the very least he's GonNa get a meeting and now we're seeing elected officials literally really introduced legislation with him in mind. So and I hope this This legislation will pass. Then we will not all this Your people's struggle so kanter. He's he's from Turkey did he grew up there I one point of he ended up in the US so MS Kanter grew up in Turkey and he went to primary school sponsored. By this religious cleric named Fatullah. You'll end the air to one government blames Fatullah Golan for inciting this failed coup. He's lived in exile in rural Pennsylvania for a long time now but they say people lined with him in the military and the civil service tried to overthrow government so it just so happened that this NBA player that when he was growing up he went to a school. That was run on by a guy who is now being accused of trying to overthrow the Turkish government. Yeah that's right in the weird thing about it is in. The basketball is oddly so related to this so in the United States. Let's say you WanNa play basketball and you're in high school. You go play for your high school right in Turkey and a lot of countries in Europe. You don't do that. You go play for a club that is sponsored by a professional team where your local town or whatever and so as he gets better and better and starts to go play for this professional clubs As a teenager he becomes this elite prospect undistracted to go play in the NBA so then Ns cantor. He ends up in the US. Does he come here. Just because it's a place where he can play the highest level of Basketball Kabbalah or was he trying to get out of Turkey so when he originally comes here. It's to be a part of the NBA. He's drafted by the by the Utah Jazz. A spends a few two years. There spent a few years in Oklahoma City kind of as a reserve developing player. But in two thousand seventeen after after Turkey's new constitution is passed and President Air to one starts consolidating executive power bit more and as cantors overseas running a basketball camp and he says somethings that presents one doesn't like and so he's in airport in Romania. What's a world just wanted to say? We are in Romania and they said they can't pass board by Turkish Embassy. You know they've been holding us here for hours by this through police in the airport he gets on his phone and records video and tweets and out when she calls Reggie type air to on the bed Edmon. He's a dictator and he is Hitler of our century so the Hitler of our century strong language strong language again. This is is a country that back home is in the middle of jailing political dissidents jailing journalists and purging the civil society ranks of eighty thousand public employees and he realizes it has passed porteous gets canceled airport and kind of realizes after after hours pass. I think he was there for six hours. I'm a goanywhere so he contacted our office so he calls Senator Under James Lankford office in Oklahoma and says you need to help me because if they find me in Romania I'm going to Turkey. I'm going to jail and I'm not getting out. And so some of their LANKFORD office starts waking people up at the State Department so this is literally happening in the middle of donate in the US. The get him on a plane back to the states and when he gets back to Oklahoma City he goes into the senator's office. Says let me explain to you. What just happened and who I am and why you had to do this? And that starts his political journey and sent here to one making enough kanner afraid. Afraid that point. It empowered in a scanner to say. I've got to make sure that I can speak out about what's really happening there because people like air to want to try to silence people like me and I'm not going to be silent so after that whole episode. Then he starts lobbying more that starts making other contacts with other important certain people in the halls of power. Yeah if you're an NBA player. You can probably get five ten minutes of face. Time with a congressman or senator. It's what you do in those five or ten minutes. That's going to determine if you can have a long term relationship with them and what I heard again and again from lawmakers was just how comfortable and Kanter was in those conversations of talking about the situation he found himself in talking about the situation. His family's you know his father was a genetics professor. A AH at a university. He was fired from his job He was forced to release a statement. Disowning and this from his family and apologizing driving with Turkish people for having such a son. His older sister's a medical student. She can't find a job because people hire her because she's a cantor so when he can go into. Lawmakers offices and a cohesive and frankly not overly emotional way tell that story and then say but there are people who are worse than me. Hey and I'm not asking you to support a policy. I'm just asking you don't forget about people like me and keep me in the loop. That's a very low maintenance request with a really high reward for lawmakers and he knows that takes advantage of it and is he still consider Turkey his home. I mean I've had this conversation with him and he says I don't know what to say because Turkey's my home country my family's there but then again. My family's families disowned me. But then again. I'm pretty sure that they just said that. So they wouldn't get in trouble. I mean he released a video on mother's Day. I'm I'll be doing well. Today's ever special day. Today is your day Happy Mother's Day. I'm sorry I cannot call you or text you because of the children's generation in surkey saying mom I haven't seen you in five years but like and I forget what your voice sounds like but like I I love you and hang in there and this won't be forever and so he's right. Now he's legitimately stateless but by twenty twenty one. He will be an American citizen but that won't stop his work on behalf of what he feels is about Turkey because these people that the these these lawmakers that he has relationships with they're both Republicans and and Democrats and it feels like especially now there are so few things that Republicans and Democrats agree on the type of people that they both want to sort of. You've curry favor with so. Is that what it takes to get. Republicans and Democrats to see eye to eye on a very important in part of US policy that just eat basketball player to come in just know the basketball player part of it helps we're We're in a period right now where we consistently question what what. An athlete's role isn't political discourse freedom of expression democracy human rights in the middle at least is not necessarily a wedge issue and so an NS kanter comes in to Capitol Hill and says don't forget about people like me and my family family. It's not hard for Republican to lean over to a Democrat and say I like this guy and it's not hard for a Democrat to look back and say yeah. Let's get together on this. Take up thank you so much. Thanks UH Jacob Bogere as a sports reporter for the Post and the post reports is sponsored by the asset podcast produced by the Center for American Progress Action Fund district productive and protect investigation on July twenty fifth two thousand nineteen during a phone call with a foreign leader. Trump asked for a favor to investigate a political rival. Trump's call set off a cascade ask eight of events leading to the current impeachment proceedings in season to the asset shows how all roads lead to Russia and dissects how trump tried to use the government of Ukraine to help them win in two thousand twenty. Download the APP today and now one more thing. So I'm more I'm reporter for the style section and I'm about to to read my daily horoscope on the pattern. which is an astrology APP? More is one of those people. That's recently gotten very into her horoscopes today Eh. This one's pretty good. You Y your words to impress others but you may not feel received or heard as if they're not paying attention or listening gets no one's GonNa live said. I hope you're listening. Thanks guys. I had noticed that a lot of my friends and a lot of millennials were getting into strategy like in a way that I hadn't seen recently really you know people always kind of read their horoscopes magazines or in the newspaper. But there are so many apps and they go really really in depth. Like it's not just your son sign. which is the like? What's your assigned? Sign that everyone knows it goes into your moon. Sign your rising sign all of the different houses of your chart. It's it gets very in depth and I noticed a little bit like six self help in a way because there's actually a connection between the sort of chaos of our planet right now and a move towards the people being interested in astrology historically researchers who studied this say that there's a correlation every time there's kind of like political Thomas people sort of look for a higher explanation from some other force our power and so you know the last time we saw people getting into into astrology was the sixties and Seventies. It's always been there but there's no coincidence. I think that politics are crazy right now. That people are really worried about the future of this planet and that they're looking to astrology and I think the difference this time to is that a lot of people are also very scientifically early or anted and so it's really more of a fun thing for them. It's not actually replacing any belief system for I would say the bulk of these users. 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Gentleman's Amazon recognized. I do want to comment. I have a point of order. Under H res- Sixty. The gentleman will state or point of water. The point of order is will the chairman continual you. We saw this in the first round of testimony from George Kenton. Bill Taylor Republicans Start Interrupting Adam. Schiff the chairman saying things like a point of order correct chairman. Evan was not recognized that you and I have a point of not recognized. A point of order though was not recognized trying to essentially use this opportunity to say publicly clearly. You're not letting US call the witnesses we WANNA call. We don't like the way that you set up the hearings. We feel like this is unfair to us kind of throwing up some sand in the gears if you like Shift this morning was actually really resistant and kept saying things. Like gentlemen is not recognized. The gentleman is not recognised John was not recognized for gentlemen's Grips Not in is not recognized until basically the Republicans just gave up with that and they had to move forward with opening statements and create this atmosphere of contentiousness. I think between between them. Oh Yeah I mean. Republicans WanNa take every opportunity that they can to remind people that they object to the process with which these hearings have been held behind closed stores and object to the process now and remember the resolution that was voted on to create. These public hearings got zero Republican votes. So they very much view this as kind of railroad of the President I would expect. We're GONNA see a reprise of this and other hearings as well them taking that opportunity to remind people we don't support what's happening here. So today was the first time that we're hearing publicly from Ivanovich about the events that transpired. This year reminds who she is and why she is important into the narrative that the Democrats are trying to make marie-yvonne riches a career foreign service officer with more than three decades of experience serving around the world in many different posts in many different countries. She was the US ambassador in Ukraine and was very well known and had a reputation in Ukraine for being very tough on corruption. Option at fighting corruption and promoting rule of law was one of the things that she really wanted to make a hallmark of embassador ship. Important underscored that is United States policy. That is even the trump administration's official policy so deeply respected in the Foreign Service Corps. Somebody with a lot of experience but a can have an outsized figure well known in Ukraine. Is Somebody who was tough business. And was not afraid to I think incur the opposition Russian and the enmity of people that she was trying to expose and put out of business so one of the reasons why she was testifying was to talk about basically how so. She lost her job how she was fired very publicly as ambassador. What did we know about that going into this hearing well? We had known quite a bit about it actually from reporting but also from her own statements in closed-door depositions. And what she did today was she laid out which she describes us this smear campaign against her that was orchestrated principally by Rudy Rudy Giuliani and allies his both in Ukraine outside after being assessed by the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs in early March Twenty nineteen to extend extend my tour until two thousand twenty the smear campaign against me entered a new phase in the United States in the wake of the negative. The Press State Department officials suggested an earlier departure and we agreed upon July two thousand nineteen I was then abruptly told just weeks later in late April to come back to Washington from Ukraine on the next plane she meets with the Deputy Secretary of State Department. Says you're being removed. The president has lost confidence in you. And you're being recalled from post. No reason was offered as to why I had to leave and why it was being done in such a manner. Did you have have any indication that the State Department had lost confidence in you know and she talks about how devastating for her. Yes I mean this is we should really underscore this. This is not normal ambassadors. Who Do not have any negative marks in their records and have no complaints on record from their superiors or from the White House? Don't don't just get fired and this was an important position. Ukraine is strategically vitally important country in Europe for US interest. This is a big job and this was I think. Probably we're GONNA be her last posting as a career ambassador and so she does say that it was. It was devastating. It was shocking. She didn't understand and remember. She also understands what's happening in the context of lots of rumors that are being spread around Ukraine and things that she understands are coming from people associated with the president not from official channels. So I I think that we can kind of appreciate how unusual. This wasn't how stunning and how unfair she thought it was too. How could our system fail like this? How is it that a foreign corrupt interests could manipulate our government which countries interests are served when the very corrupt behavior we have been criticising is allowed allowed to prevail such conduct undermines the US exposes our friends and widens the playing field for autocrats threats like President Putin but at the same time president trump fires a lot of people and he fires them in very public embarrassing ways and Uganda? Vich was fired in May of this year. So that is before the call between president trump and Ukraine presidents Alinsky. That's before this pressure campaign ramped up having to do with holding off giving military aid to Ukraine. And so what does her firing have to do. With the central question of was there a a quid pro quo being conducted by the president or his circle. Well I think that it might not have a lot directly to do with that question. I think it is related in the following. Sense that as part of this alleged quid pro quo effort. It's being pushed by Rudy Giuliani by political appointees at the State Department within Bill Taylor is called that unofficial channel and one of the goals that Rudy Giuliani had in all of the work that he was doing. Ukraine was not just a sort of pushed US policy that was about extracting acting investigations. But essentially the allegation is that he wanted to also eliminate people that were standing in the way of his own business interests and those of his associates so removing living IANOVICH is seen as an attempt to send essentially a message in Ukraine that yeah this person is really tough on corruption. Were getting rid of her the one you don't like we're getting getting. We're getting her out of here and she talks a lot about that. In I thought was surprisingly very broad tones. There was a sense going in. I think we believe Lisa. Von Avenge was going to be the Democrats witness to play the role of the victim quote unquote writing that. She was going to talk about how devastated. She was personally in the attacks on her while she did. Dad She also went to great lengths to broaden out why this was a problem. These events should concern everyone. In this room ambassadors. I are the symbol of the United States abroad. There the personal representative of the president they should always act and speak with full authority to advocate locate for US policy's if our chief representative is kneecapped. It limits our effectiveness to safeguard the vital national security interests of of the United States. There was also a very remarkable moment. That happened during this testimony. Where Yvonna Vich was being asked questions by the Democrats attorney and then one of its As we sit here testifying the president is attacking you twitter and then House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff broke in and basically said look. You should know that president trump is tweeting about you right now as we speak he read the tweet tweet everywhere. Maria von Vich went turn bad. She started off in Somalia. How did that go? He goes on to say later in the tweet is a US presence absolute right to appoint ambassadors and then. He asked her what she thought what her response was right right and she said that it was intimidating. It's very intimidating which is a very particular notable choice of words right. Well aw I want to let you bastard or that some of us here take witness intimidation very very seriously Mr Goldman and it would not surprise me if this moment ends up in an article of impeachment. The Democrats have been very clear that they're already consider the White House's unwillingness to hand handover certain documents in their unwillingness to make certain firsthand witnesses unavailability testimony could constitute a case of obstruction. You could see them. Putting witness intimidation into the mix as well so then I thought it was interesting that that Republican members who are questioning Ivanovich kind of took a very different approach from the President President. They started complimenting her thinking her for her service to the United States. Thank you ambassador. Before I was interrupted I wanted to thank you for your thirty in years of public service talking about what a great ambassador she was and had been busted. I want to say I have a great deal of respect for what you do. I served the Armed Services Committee. The Intelligence Committee I've worked worked with the NATO parliamentary assembly including being president and I know the complexity of what you do and the use that as a jumping off point to basically say it's up to the president to decide who he wants to have in that role and that you weren't fired you still work for the State Department. You're still earning a government salary. You're able to be this fellow at Georgetown. Basically what are you complaining about. Yeah there was essentially to say. We think you're great but you're irrelevant to this proceeding and things worked out fine for you. You went through some tough stuff. But now you've got this cushy job and everything is okay important to remember that a measure which did to kind of speak up again in defense of herself at some point. What I'd like to say is while I I Obviously don't dispute that the president has the right to to withdrawn ambassador at at any time for any reason but What I do wonder is why it was necessary to smear my reputation and Republicans did not have a good answer for that and I think what they were trying to do in praising her was to counteract the tweeted the president sent out in which he blamed her basically basically for all the problems in Somalia and said she was terrible which I mean? There's not only no evidence of that. There is abundant counter evidence to that and the members of the committee absolutely knew that knew that they had to do damage control and it's also worth noting that multiple Republicans brought up the fact that after Uganda which was removed from her role. That Bill Taylor was brought got into replace her and that he is widely seen as another highly respected diplomat. Person with a lot of experience in that region and that that undermines the idea idea that Ivanovich was kicked out for political reasons. If another very respected person was put in right after right and this is a strategy. We've seen the Republicans deploying today to and frankly the White House as well when you look at for instance member saying today. Well we understand. Military may have been held up at one point but eventually they got the military military aid. So what's the problem and you know it's sort of like as if single everything worked out the way that it was supposed to so any behavior that went on that was irregular before them as somehow irrelevant. You know that's illogical. I mean people have made the point that you know attempted murder is still crying even if he didn't kill somebody the attempt to do this. What's at issue here and this is not a criminal proceeding preceding? They're trying to focus on the presence behavior. So Ivanovich pointed out the first of all Bill Taylor is not the ambassador actually hasn't been confirmed. He's the he's the chief diplomat climent over there. But you know Bill Taylor wasn't somebody who was targeted by Rudy Giuliani and by the prosecutor general general of Ukraine and by Rudy Giuliani's business. This associates. He wasn't the target of a smear campaign she was and okay. Fine they appoint somebody who is highly credible person who clearly has concerns about you know Ukrainian corruption that doesn't mean all. Those things did not happen to Marie Ivanovich and it doesn't excuse what did happen to her. So what happens next in the impeachment inquiry so actually today there's a deposition being done of a man named David Holmes who we've talked about in previous editions. This is the newly revealed witness to a phone. Conversation between Gordon Sunland. WHO's running Ukraine policy for the president and the President himself where he asked about investigations? This is the phone call that we just heard about on Wednesday two days right. Yeah the one that Bill Taylor sort of dropped in there and saying he himself had just learned about the previous Friday so that's new information that individuals being deposed. I would suspect he will eventually really a public witness as well. And so then on Saturday the Action Continues Mark Sandy. Who is an official is going to testify? And it's expected expected that sandy will be able to fill in a lot of the gaps and understanding around why the military aid to Ukraine was held up and that was being held up by the O. M. B. You and then next week we're going to see more of what we saw this week. Except several more of these hearings and witnesses coming forward so Tuesday Wednesday Thursday at their witnesses scheduled in tandem witnesses scheduled in the morning and the afternoon what the Democrats are trying to do is get through as much of this process as they can. Maybe take a week off for Thanksgiving giving comeback. Anything do one more week then. They're going to write their reports. which is to sum up everything? They've learned in these depositions and in the public hearings then that goes over to the Judiciary Committee and we're in the next phase of the process and chain. You will be with us next week to talk about all this I will be here. There's no escaping Shane. Harris is is a national security reporter for the Post. A UH Jenny. Slate is a performer. Comedian writer she also had a stint on Saturday night live as a cast member but people might know her from some of her other roles. I think people know me from Marcel. The shell my name is Marcel Oursel- in I'm partially Shell as you can see on my body but I also have shoes and a face so from the kroll also show am. I knew rescue dog. Brad Pitt totally walk their carpet from the movie obvious child I am pregnant. As Mona Lisa Sap Racine Parks and wreck the cartoon big mouth which is on net flicks. And now I hope they know me some special and from my new book which the Little Weird Okay. Who are you and what do you do? I'm Jay Assadi I am pop culture writer for the Washington Post. It's worth pointing out that. The name of her Netflix stand up special is stage fright. Which I think is interesting because as much as the history and culture of standup stand up is to be vulnerable on stage to tell sort of embarrassing stories about yourself and your experiences and like awkward weird crazy things that happened to you? I think that there is the Unspoken rule of yes. You can make fun of yourself but you cannot acknowledge your own nervousness in the moment because that makes you look weak and not confident rant and not kind of present powerful on stage but the fact that he does that and gets up there and it's like I'm really nervous and let's talk about that. Yeah that's interesting totally and and there are other comedians Bill Hader on SNL. He's talked about how much he had really crippling stage. Fright Anxiety Mitch. Hedberg who was a stand up comedian had had stage fright and nervousness. And that's why he would wear these sunglasses on stage and sort of looked down on. But but Jenny slate is out here just like talking about it within her special and not not just that but she she shows herself experiencing it and talking about and crying like before. She's GonNa film her special right before I go. Oh onstage. I am like presented with this essential question. which is will they will they? Ah La La like me so you actually got the chance to talk to her in person about this at the National Portrait Gallery in DC. What was that like yes she arrives maybe even before the timer is supposed to me but she was very punctual? She arrives in a J. Crew. ooh turtleneck. She felt very Sharon stone at the Oscar. Remember when she was like it's a turtleneck. That's what I'm doing. And she's wearing this very beautiful mutiple. Tweed grey coat that she bought as a gift or herself and patent leather combat boots and this like Emerald Green purse. I and yeah. That's how she showed up. She had her hair up in a bond and she was just very pleasant and on the day that you were meeting with her and interviewing her that was also the day of her show. Oh here in. DC at George Washington University considering the fact that she's so open about stuff like stage fright and being nervous before performances. Did you guys talk about that. The way it works for her is the moment that she opens her mouth. She's on stage. She's at ease. It's everything sort of in the lead up to it. That's when she experiences is it. What do you think was the catalyst when you first experience stage fright and what was going on deep down inside view I think and I kind of made the jump from the outside would seem like I was going from amateur to professional meaning working for free to being on TV from playtime to something that has repercussions and I stepped out of a small community onto a television? Show that airs almost at midnight and the entire country season. You know the world and whatever and it just it was just too big of a jump and I felt very very very small and a young and not ready and not like slick not swat enough to do that work and I started needed to notice it creep in when I would go from thirty rock down to my show in Williamsburg on Wednesday nights and feel like sort of a stranger to myself and I think what happened for me was that there was a dissonance between the person that I saw in thirty rock. WHO IS MEEK ON FIT? Not right so then going back down to this little theater in Williamsburg where we did our our live show called a big terrific and being like nobody here knows that I'm eating uptown. And nobody here knows how scared I am. And then DOC transferred into. Nobody knows me and I'm alone in my experience of despair and all of a sudden. I just didn't feel very funny anymore. I mean I would imagine and Saturday night live when you were on that. Show that that would be one of the worst places to someone with anxiety and stagefright. Bill haters talked about the crippling anxiety. Yeah Hi when he was on that show. Yeah so your name kept coming up in the past couple of weeks. Is You're writing about the whole Shane. Gillis thing and people saying well they fire fire Jenny sleeper cursing on air. which I don't think is true? It's not like they fired me. Yeah I just did he get it. I didn't get to be there. I didn't understand what the job was. I thought that it would be like around with my Improv group in college or like all the Comedians. I knew you know performing in the lower side or whatever and it just wasn't it was now you know like a very long standing system and I grew up worshipping Gilda radner but it wasn't the system of Gilda radner even if the schedule was maybe at the same you know the the spirit was different and I was totally not suited for it. Very anxious did not have much faith in myself and found myself in a really fun position of trying to figure out how to ingratiate myself to a system. That really didn't want anyone like me in the first place but there is no way that they hiring me could have known knowing that I was not right for this show because my edition showed that I was because my skill set as a performer is right I can play lots characters do voices and unfunny me but I can't exist in that environment now that I know what that job is. I think it's like so silly that I would ever try to have been there and just not right for it nor am I right for like a regular spot on am unlike a network Sitcom. I just can't do that. I'm not good enough at that activity given that live. Performance is such a big part of your career in what you do. How do you cope with something that can seem debilitating when that's so connected to your to your work? What happened for me was the stagefright did become impassable could not get over it and it did ruin some shows which means means that I went through them robotically and didn't have fun and I think the key to my stand up being elevated is not just the subject matter but the fact fact I am clearly enjoying it? Churches are beautiful little castles for God like gory but everyone in their dress in red and green and then the guys came out and they add the incense. Everyone's drafts done and like they sing the songs and like weirdly. I knew some of the songs I am making suggestion to the audience. But they laugh. And it's not just because my materialised funny but it's because I'm laughing to sort of being like ou eat this thing it's delicious. You gotTa try this. So hey what do you think. What's most notable about what she had to say about her stage fright? I think just how in tune she is with where it comes from and that it's not not like she's fighting it necessarily. That's not the feeling I got but she encounters it within her life and that she still still experiences it. You know like someone who does this for a living. She performs for a living and she still someone who experiences it and his learning how to to experience it and how to continue sharing her art and do the thing that she loves. Most which is like connecting with people and having this experience this collective performance experience experience with people so I went to a hypnotist so cheesy but before I go on stage I always say out loud. I'm a seasoned professional just like not anything I would say so. I do think that the hypnosis worked because I don't know why I say that it professionals like I actually don't feel that we've only so far I don't know I don't see myself in those terms but I do say it and for some reason I chill and I just have dug more and more into this thing. That's like doc. Look there's evidence here for people wanting to see it's so frightening. TV So out of breath When you meet people you don't WanNa be like right away but I hope you know that it's only because I'm excited to be here? Hi How are you. Hi How the smallest things could make a social situation in just go totally haywire for me and I think I have always until very recently very recently had the sense that I'm just at at the whim of it and so when I go on stage that's like that's like my best self because I have to protect myself by doing well at my art. And that's the cycle that's happening the moments before you step on stage once you're in that moment it's it's just like it's not there anymore. Yeah the tension. Is there like a tight rope walker. The tension is there. It's just like I just don't I just don't think I'll foam. There's no way there's no way to fall Ally is Ati pop culture writer for the Post. You can find Jenny slate. Special called stage freight Ah Net flicks. Her Book. 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It got flooded two cathedrals head of restoration let us inside and he showed us all the ways that the water and particularly the salt leaves damage behind and there were a few times he touched marble and it just it it just crumbled or gave way introduce yourself if you can Philippi. Okay uh AH Santana the Venetians. Though that I talked to are really worried about its future this a little bit about your emotions of the last two days very strong emotions Venice gave us the image of a few net on a lot of people a look not have hold in the future Shia for the people who live here. They're starting to fear that if they remain life will become this constant battle of dealing with the waters and the flooding and the clean up and many of them. Don't know what's going to happen in the years ahead Chico Harlan is the Rome Bureau chief for the post in the past Venice experienced these high water episodes every hundred years or so. Now they're expected to occur much more frequently a U. N.. 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Top U.S. diplomat contradicts Trump's claim that there wasn't a quid pro quo
"The lives of other members of the trump team who could be charged with participating in an illegal conspiracy involving aid to Ukraine and at least one when Bester William Taylor sealed Donald Trump's faked today as the next impeached president of the United States and ambassador Taylor May Have Changed Senator Bill Bradley's Senate Staff and then with the State Department serving in Afghanistan Iraq Israel and Ukraine William Taylor is an expert on Ukraine lynching no one actually took donald trump literally except Lindsey Graham there was a rush to object to the president's appropriating the ocean to service and to duty to an impeachment process that shines more light every day on the impeachable conduct of Donald Trump Lindsey Graham is so far gone that he does not know where he is he does not know what is happening in all but South Carolina recorded in the worst of times in America when Donald Trump tweeted this morning that the impeachment process is quote words but Lindsey Graham Lindsey Graham offered his most perverse defense of Donald Trump yet today by saying that the impeachment investigation is quote his and spent most of his career in government service I in the infantry in the Vietnam War then in civilian positions in the Department of Energy as a member almost fifty years before Lindsey Graham succeeded him in two thousand three all thirty one of Lindsey Graham's predecessors in that Senate seat would is putting a rope around Donald Trump's neck with his hands tied behind his back and he's being strung up on a tree that's what Lindsey Graham said today of West Point spent his life in government service mostly with the Army Corps of Engineers Donald Trump and William Taylor followed in their father's footsteps Donald Trump to this what Lindsey Graham said a lynching in every sense every sense means not just figuratively but literally literally someone impeachable under the Constitution of the United States Ambassador William B Taylor was born the year after Donald Trump was born and they grew up in very different worlds donald trump proud of him today they were all racist many of them were slaveholders some of them were supporters of the one hundred fifty six lynchings of black people he served as George W Bush's ambassador to Ukraine and after Donald Trump first step forced out Maria Vich as ambassador William it was accused by the Justice Department along with his father of racist practices as a landlord like his father before him William Taylor graduate from West Point not a lynching Strom Thurmond would be very very proud of Lindsey Graham today Strom Thurmond was the racist who held Lindsey Graham's Senate seat William Taylor delivered testimony devastating to Donald Trump won freshman member of the committees hearing his testimony today said the first couple of hours William Teller's testimony that it was talk what is happening is people who have devoted their lives to service without any interest in ever getting rich like Donald trump are bringing their the son of a father who had been arrested at Ku Klux Klan rally and then went on to be accused by the Justice Department of Racist Discrimination as New York City Landlord William Taylor's father other is now serving as the acting ambassador to Ukraine he testified for ten hours today under oath about what Donald Trump Giuliani have been doing with Ukraine and yes lynching to describe his suffering in the impeachment process even Mitch McConnell who stay in lynched one hundred forty two black people said it was an unfortunate choice of quote my most disturbing day in Congress so far that congressman will join us in a moment William Taylor's testimony could make the impeachment of Donald Trump partisan his testimony could turn some Republican votes in the House representatives and it might be the testimony that convinces Republican Senator Mitt Romney to vote to convict and remove Donald Trump from office donald trump's very rich and totally incompetent and unqualified ambassador to the European Union. Gordon Sunland could face perjury charges After William Taylor's testimony today we will consider later in this hour how will you tell her testimony increases Rudy Giuliani's risk of being charged with federal crimes along with Giuliani's friends and associates who've already been charged with federal crimes because of their dealings involving Ukraine even though over ninety percent Taylor's opening statement today was about possible impeachable offenses by Donald Trump and the possible criminal conduct of Rudy Giuliani and Gordon Sunlen the message that was clearly about Ukraine he cares about the people of Ukraine deeply he set the stage for his testimony by saying Ukraine is right at this moment while we sit in this room closest to William Taylor's heart and his opening statement today was what he had to tell Congress about Ukraine and it's people unlike Donald Trump William Taylor cares what he described as an irregular informal channel of US policy making with respect to Ukraine one which included then special envoy Kurt Volker again become an empire oppressing its people and threatening its neighbors and the rest of the World Ambassador Taylor then laid out in painstaking detail breaking free of Russian influence as possible for Europe to behold free democratic and at peace in contrast if Russia dominates Ukraine Russia Willie from the president to Mick Mulvaney and from Mick Mulvaney to Oh mb Mick Mulvaney is an even more need of a criminal defense lawyer Bester Sunland Secretary of Energy Rick Perry and as I subsequently learned Mr Giuliani a master tailor described video conference call on July eighteenth and for the last five years under armed attack from Russia across the responsibilities I have had in public service Ukraine is special for me if Ukraine succeed and he's Gordon Sunland said under oath in his opening statement I do not recall any discussions with the White House on withholding US security assistance told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White House meeting with presidents Alinsky was tonight than he was before William Taylor's testimony William Teller's testimony different differs sharply with Gordon Sunglasses under oath testimony to the same from Ukraine and return for assistance with the president's twenty twenty reelection campaign an William Taylor's opening statement he said Ambassador Sunland and on a public announcement of investigations in fact Sunlen said everything was dependent on such announcement including security I heard a staff person at the office of Management and budget budgets say there was a hold on security assistance to Ukraine and that that order came us assistance that's what it was about for William Taylor Saving Ukrainian lives while Donald Trump and William Taylor's view undoubtedly condemned during his testimony to the committees which was to get him through his testimony without committing perjury and it appears tonight that they may have failed in that mission William Taylor distance he said that president trump wanted presence Alinsky in public box by making a public statement about ordering such investor vote to convict and remove Donald Trump many of them will be quoting the elements of the impeachable offenses outlined by William Taylor today the battle with Russia he said today I could see the armed and hostile russian-led forces on the other side of the damage bridge across the line including the very clear quid pro quo that some Republicans until today have claimed was not in evidence and surely as many house members in many senators announce love quote Biden and Biden's son Gordon Sunderland's very expensive criminal defense lawyers had exactly one Gatien's investor Taylor did not know at that time the Donald Trump in his phone call with the president of Ukraine had already told him that he wanted an investigation more Ukrainians to die as he illegally withheld aid that had been mandated by an act of Congress after William Taylor testimony today Donald Trump's impeached of the United States trying to get favors about his reelection campaign and you've got his acting chief of staff said in front of the nation now with the phone call notes that he muscle the foreign leader to do saying that aid was held up vital military assistance to an ally under attack by Russia was already here but I want to start with the freshman I wanNA start with representative and eleven because you said today one we're just a couple of hours into this testimony committee she's on MSNBC national security analysts and we are going to break with protocol tonight because as in congressional hearings we usually go by congressional seats vote they will be quoting William Taylor saying more Ukrainians would undoubtedly die because of Donald trump is held up for political reasons of course he tried to walk it back but today many bricks were added to the edifice of the case leading off our discussion tonight are Democratic Congressman Peter Welch Vermont he's a member of the House intelligence committee he was in the room today during William Taylor's deposition also with US democratic That this was your how did you put your your worst today so far in service in the House I think the most disturbing favors for him about his own political life here in the United States is not the past but the future not when he was a candidate but he's a sitting president contact over thirteen thousand Ukrainians had been killed in the war one or two a week more Ukrainians would undoubtedly die without the I am really intent on honoring our process and I think it's a process that respects the dignity of our witnesses and so I congressman Andy Levin of Michigan He is a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee he was also in the room today during William Tellers Deposition and with us is Ellen Farkash she's take no joy in this but it was an overwhelming day and why because somebody like Bill Taylor an infantry officer in Vietnam rain in the Ukrainian people the day after Donald Trump's impeachable phone call with the President of Ukraine William Taylor traveled to the Frontline Democrats he doesn't care about Republicans he cares about the national security interest of the United States and he reluctantly came back to testimony today is a story of incompetent and dangerous fools named trump and Giuliani and sunland betraying America's multi decade commitment to you I'm not GonNa talk a lot about a lot of detail about what was said but you have a president of the United States who set serve in the country as you mentioned that he loves so much Ukraine and he's watching right in front of his is a president undermined present well it did I mean you nailed it really in your your opening essentially what ambassador Taylor's saw was that a of the for the impeachment of Donald Trump and it's I mean if you're a patriotic American lawrence it's it's gotta be a sad day I mean I personally and his requirement to serve in this job was assurance that he would be able to promote that policy of bringing you in Lawrence I think is what I said and what was it that you were hearing the lefty with that well hundred first airborne who went on to serve the country from his days at West Point for a total of fifty years in counting Lawrence he doesn't care about that in the national security United States for his own political and so that's a really sad day and it just confirms what the President himself has former deputy assistant secretary of defense in the Bob ministrations she served on the staff of the Senate Armed Services Committee for seven years and she also served on the staff of the House foreign affairs and went to Vietnam and he's never stopped and he was dedicated to career of competence and professionalism and the constitution point the ambassador made was the linchpin to strategic significance of Ukraine was that they did have bipartisan support and he feared that would jeopardize journal corruption in resist external aggression and it was a bipartisan policy with strong support from Republicans Democrats and Republican Democrat cars from Welsh this testimony give in the clearest possible terms yet the quid pro quo that some Republicans have been claiming was not let's see we've had in Ukraine since nineteen ninety-one and by the way he was appointed as ambassador by President Bush where we had as a goal to help Ukraine fight and crane into the Western family of Democracies and as the testimony I re evolved as you saw that in the statement that is the president's he saw that unraveling is what that report says now this is sorted mass but I want to go back to something and afraid of exactly what did happen on that call Lawrence I I just want to stress here the importance of she is not a political person but she felt she could make a difference you could do good and Bill Taylor he knew the background I mean you can tell from the testimony he knew what happened said because this is really a moment of grace mean this man ambassador Taylor he started his public service on the plains of West Point when he was a teenager the House of Representatives is even more of certainty than it was yesterday and when members of the House voting to impeach Donald Trump followed by the senators who will of president trump he was very reluctant of serving a president who he had really a no reason to have confidence in and there's a friend on name proud pushing one thing and that was getting dirt on Joe Biden and getting involved in domestic politics something that was obviously bad for us but it was also very bad for the Ukraine Tamasha Ivanovich marie-yvonne of the ambassador preceding him all these people are very interconnected you know they've known each other for decades and worked on yes I know them who are serving some of them even political positions in this administration because they think they can make a difference I mean Fiona Hill is another example I talked to her before she went in be a disaster so they have John Bolton doesn't want president trump to even get on the phone with the president of Ukraine apparently because he was in this neighbor of Russia and and I have to say personally in my part I'm from I'm a kid from Berkley Michigan accorded he came to see there was actually a road policy that was completely outside of the State Department channels and was intent on a copy who says to him right to former you're asked to serve the country it doesn't matter who the president is in a situation like this and we are so lucky that that friend gave him that advice in the moment when he needed an a moment where he says that his wife was opposed to him doing this I mean there are a lot of good people government service recognized he talks about being asked to go and do this job and Ukraine for what would now be the trump administration and he was very reluctant because of what he had seen of the chaos personal attorney and that sadly too many of our people within the foreign service may have been participating in other parts of the government this is really important to me personally to my constituents and I think what those comments you you reference reflect is that any normal Republican or democratic foreign policy professional would say that it's tremendously in our interest to support the development of you of bipartisanship in foreign policy and the broad consensus we've had in our country about the importance of Ukraine this sort of cancer growing there and that's what we're all seeing not just from Bill Taylor's testimony but from all oh of of this growing body of evidence that the president had a whole rogue foreign policy going on run by his war signing the check Carson Welch as you know ambassador Taylor then said of course Ukraine owes Donald Trump. Nothing is a Gordon son grew up with Ukrainian American kids places like Warren Sterling Heights in my district in my district are a big center of the Ukrainian American community so the there's a businessman when a business man is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something he said the businessman asks that person to pay up B administration in Ukraine become a flourishing democracy. That's why Bill Taylor signed up for duty again and then he went in and found store but of course the evidence is now coming out that in fact he was very active instrument to try to essentially assist Guiliani that bipartisan support and Evelyn is a very personal briefly told but personal story in his opening statement today that I think everyone crane as a democratic society try to nurture this very delicate flower that's had a lot of trouble growing a lot of corruption there could we help this new Taylor described the dynamics of quid pro quo in several different ways this is one of them he said during our call on September Eighth Investors Sunlen tried to explain to me that President Trump senatorship and he pretended that it was a good day for him he got a job you wanted but it was pretty naive that he didn't know the real meeting was going on in the room next in the effort to have this rogue foreign policy so yes I think Sunland has some reason to be worried about how his testimony these problems so he went in despite that probably thinking he could help again a carson Lebanon piece from the opening statement about John Bolt and in which investor Taylor said Ambassador Bolton opposed the call between President Zelinski and president trump out of concern that favor and the favor was to do an investigation and dig up dirt on the Biden's and the president's explicitly said he'd have really Rudy Giuliani learned in danger of perjury charges for his testimony to your committee but I think he is you know when he presented himself he was kind of rich guy bought in turn Carson peer Welsh create some breaking news here he's a member of the committee who's heard the testimony of Bester Sunland now ambassador Taylor he believes that Gordon son now is very close to our endanger of perjury charges for his testimony going to be evaluated when reviewed by potential prosecutors and cars and let me just stay with that because got breaking news for you as a member of the committee who's heard this time stood a foreign power to provide assistance in a domestic political campaign that's against the law by the way he did that the day after not paying much attention to this in in by the way let's go back here because whatever sunland did he say side player here the heart of this case director Muller testified that the new normal may be Russian interference or foreign interference Carson Peter Jen- Congressman Andy Eleven. Thank you both for joining US tonight starting us off we really appreciate that thank you thanks Lawrence have a great evening thank you and we're joined now by Under Secretary Former Under Secretary of state investor Wendy Sherman and Jeremy and who might be charged with perjury after ambassador Taylor's testimony today in an under oath deposition to the House representatives which was most definitely former chief of staff CIA and Defense Department Evelyn Farkas is still with us all our MSNBC analysts and investors Sherman I want to start with you testimony to say that Ambassador Sunland is now in danger of perjury charges how would that work that way it has in the past where the committee basically this is what president trump said according to the readout in his conversation with President Dolinsky and that's where the president asked for a fan Lawrence I'll leave that to the lawyer in the trio here this evening Jeremy but I will say that there is absolutely no reason not to believe everything and it was very bipartisan I remember quite clearly senator McConnell pressing us very hard for three hundred million dollars to go to Ukraine he was terribly fruits were but the heart of this is really very simple the president in a phone call with his own voice his own words request here's the case to what is now the William Bar Justice Department and the hopes for the best with them the William by Justice Department is obviously Congress said is quite true and Bill Taylor has been committed to a free and open Europe ever since and so I think yes this puts Gordon Sunland in concerned about Ukraine and its future destiny and separating it from Russia so what your colleagues on the cameras said before us what the members of being that Bill Taylor has said I I served with Bill Taylor when I was the assistant secretary for Legislative Affairs in the first Clinton administration after the fall of the Soviet the and bill bar call him and that's the heart of this so what Mr Taylor did or embassador Taylor did is he kind of elaborated on how extensive those jeopardy because I think that listening to the detailed accounting that Bill Taylor gave it's very hard to not believe him and very union I got the help to get the first one point two billion dollars for the newly independent states and bill was in charge of what was called the Freedom Fund to try to give that money the states easy to question someone and Germany Bash that's what the perjury case would come down to at least as we know it at this stage it would be the credibility of William Taylor serve versus the credibility of Gordon Son and I think the important point here Lawrence is that president trump's own handpicked special envoys I chat with big football people now I've added a second mini dropping Monday mornings capsizing my football morning in America Column Listen Trump and ambassador William Taylor is now the one witness who can give Mitt Romney everything that he says he is looking for subscribe to the Msnbc daily newsletter you'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news text Msnbc two six six eight six six two six scribe here's what Republican Senator Mitt Romney said on Sunday night on axios on Hbo about what he will be looking for when he is a juror in the Senate impeachment trial of Donald Trump I'd like to learn the full background who all was involved in community nations with Ukraine what was said to them what the intent was on the part of the president of the administration with regards to Ukraine contained a sceptical view of Ukraine and so now Ukraine policy is turning on what Mick Mulvaney thinks after the Congress has ordered this aid right lawrence the US government's position is that we must support Ukraine why it confirmed that the hold unsecurity assistance for Ukraine came from Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and that the chief of staff doc in this case that's next hi it's Katy Tur WanNa keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go because if we let Ukraine become a basically a vassal of Russia then essentially we will have allowed Russia's sphere of influence and that runs Congress has spoken the executive branch has spoken writ large the cabinet still thinks that this is our policy so this is a renegade policy that somehow the I airborne in Vietnam started his career West Point what he said today was that when he was talking to the National Security Council the National Security Council was expressing they were not aware of any official chain US policy let me just read that he says despite going bzzzzz announcement that they were holding back the funding he said but they individuals I mean Mick Mulvaney and the president are trying to turn the entire policy around it looks like I mean they're throwing into question and that's really problematic because again since until the Ukrainians pursued an investigation of Joe Biden and Burris MMA that's clear it's on the page it's Bill Taylor's absolutely one hundred percent crystal clear that's what ambassador Taylor testified to today a Bester William Taylor could be the witness who answers all those questions for Mitt Romney concern because Gordon someone had sets as Alinsky team explicitly inherit is on the page that there was no money that would be given for security nine daily podcast mark the day began with Donald Trump calling this process a lynching only Lindsey Graham agreeing with him what we saw what embassador Taylor the well respected career diplomat who has served Democrats and Republicans in every administration since nineteen eighty five is referenced earlier served in the back Republican Senator Mitt Romney said on HBO this weekend that what exactly what he would be looking for as a juror in the Senate impeachment trial of onto everything we now believe in post World War Two borders the right for people to determine their own future democracy I mean the young people in Ukraine as he's the as as the ambassador pointed out in his testimony they very clearly said we want a new future we want a democratic future we don't want corruption so now these testimony and Evelyn the testimony as as he continues he talks about Feeling Hill and Mr trying to reassure him but let's be specific he is about to undergo a trial lynchings were not trial those people were executed summarily based upon allegations which he wanted to do to the central park five now the exonerated God so for him to say he's victim of lynching when he is in the process of a trial witnesses in his administration are testify against joining us now John Holland National Affairs analyst for NBC NBC News Msnbc's the Co host exotic fruits are of showtime's in the circus also this is Mark Thompson host of make it in what William Taylor delivered in his opening statement was anything but a lynching it was a mention at all it's despicable term for Hiti in has tried to convince his chief of staff and others to implement squeeze in a break here former ambassador Wendy Sherman Jeremy Bash lamarcus thank you all for joining this discussion tonight and when we come back him to use as like he's Channeling Clarence Thomas somehow a side though is I don't we don't need explain the racial insensitivity I heard them chanting about her having a trial before they locked her up yeah you know Lawrence the recourse to a process argument is Tim. It's patently absurd look you have been more outspoken than anyone about how ridiculous he is and frankly how stupid he is so it vindication whatsoever John Home when I was hearing Donald Trump lead his crowds and encourage them in their lock her up chance I never seating that has various kinds of protections that we have heard people on the show and other shows point out that the way that impeachment works is that the house side is basically designed to be like wound rough transcript released by the White House of his phone call those words of Donald Trump in that phone call and ambassador Taylor Today Yeah Ambassad on both sides the notion that it
Day 2 of the Impeachment of Donald J. Trump
"Tonight on a special edition of all lands. The beginning of the story is an effort to get you out of the way impeachment hearings day to sounded sounded like a threat. Donald trump cannot help himself as we sit here testifying. The president is attacking you on twitter tonight. The president commits. It's what looks like witness tampering during his impeachment. Here it's very intimidating. As his former political visor is found guilty of witness tampering. Hampering plus I do not understand Mr Giuliani's motives for attacking new reporting on what the president's lawyer was up to Ukraine and Congresswoman Alexandria Costume Cortex all the president's Mess White House official. She says needs to resign now. Live from studio six say in Rockefeller Blah Blah and all lanes starts now the thank you thank everybody for being here. It is great feedback. You're at thirty rock with all of you here. Could God today day today has been ten days and this week has been ten weeks and there are a million things happening at once. Just in the past couple of hours hours for instance we just got this incredibly incriminating in damning behind closed doors testimony from a US foreign service officer. That was supposed to be kind of like the e story day. The side show. It's a guy who works in the US embassy in Ukraine. A guy named David Holmes He. He testified behind closed doors that he could hear president trump talking on the phone to the US ambassador the European Union an inaugural donor give million bucks. Mr Trump Gordon someone and they were in a restaurant in Keiv and the president was shouting so loudly in the phone that Sunland John Lynch to hold the phone away from his ear because it was hurting his ear drum so then everyone could hear and After he hung up with the president told told this guy the guy who testified David Holmes the president does not give. And I'm quoting now so I can say it does not gonNA shit about Ukraine. He only cares about the big stuff and buy big stuff. He means investigations into the binds. Right yes that's all right area action in a restaurant and shouting through the phone so that just happened. We're GONNA have more on that very crazy testimony testimony later but this week one keep in mind in the public televised impeachment hearings the United States. It's just the fourth time in American history that we're all going through this process. I think it's fair to say and maybe I'm a bit biased. But I think it's fair to say he's not going really well for the president the first week today even before that breaking news was especially busy busy day in the in the criminal. Chronicles of one president. Donald J trump so the president's longtime longtime advisor and Associate Roger Stone. Today was convicted on seven counts in a federal court. It was unanimous jury of his peers. If you're keeping track and it's probably worth while to do so like a baseball game the scorecard the and list of people surrounding the president who have been convicted of guilty to a felony now includes the presence former personal lawyer his campaign manager deputy campaign manager another trump campaign staffer his first national security adviser her and now the man who has been trump's political visors since the Reagan administration so that's the sixth person and the president's close orbit convicted of crimes committed while in the service we should mention to Donald Trump. And I want to be transparent here. I am not including the president's current lawyer Pretty Giuliani because to be clear. He's just under investigation for a number of federal crimes. He's not been indicted. I'm also not including Giuliani's associates our good friend eleven eager arrested last month. We'll try and flee the country. They've just been indicted. Innocent until proven guilty in America so so this morning trump's advisor Roger Stone was convicted. He was convicted of one count of obstruction. Five counts of making false statements and this is an important one one count of witness tampering. It's a federal crime it's in the federal statute was tried for it. He was convicted. Tick the crazy thing about the world in which we live is at the very moment that we learned that verdict the former. US Ambassador Ukraine was testifying publicly in the impeachment inquiry of Donald Trump. Her name. Maybe you saw this name is Marie Ivanovich goes to ovation. marie-yvonne Masha to her friend. She's speaks a bunch of different languages. She spent over three decades and the foreign service. You might have heard of her because Most recently she was bullied out of her job by the president and his henchman even for lack of a better word. She had assignments all over the world. She was in places like Somalia and in Kirkuk Stan Armenia. Most recently and relevantly it was in Ukraine where she focus especially intently on kind of anti-corruption program. In fact she was doing so well. They're aiding a young democracy trying. China root out endemic corruption that had plagued the country. She was asked to stay on for another year until one day. Out of blue to her out of the blue she gets call ambassador Ianovich on April Twenty Fourth of this year at approximately ten PM. You received a telephone call while you were at the embassy in Kief from the Director General of the State Department at the time that this urgent call came in. What were you in the middle of doing? I was hosting an event in honor of Who is an anti corruption activist? I was an anti corruption activist in Ukraine. She very tragically died because she was attacked by acid and several months later died died a very very painful death after you stepped away from this anti corruption event to take this call. What did the director general tell you? She said that there was great. Concern on the seventh floor of the State Department. That's where the leadership of the State Department sits what happened next around one o'clock In in the morning she called me again and she said that There are great concerns. There were concerns up the street and she she said I needed to get on home. Come home immediately. Get on the next plane to the US And I asked her why and she said she wasn't sure but there were concerns about my security asked her my physical security because sometimes Washington knows more than we we do about these things and she said No. She hadn't gotten that impression that it was a physical security issue but they were concerned about security and I needed to come home right away. I I argued. This is extremely irregular and A No reason given But in the end I did did get on the next plane home. You said you. There were concerns up the street. What did you understand that to me? The White House she was at an event highlighting a Ukrainian anti corruption activists who was murdered for her work. She was attacked with acid and she died and Marie Ivanovich gets. It's call and is told come home immediately like literally get gets on the next plane because there were concerns up the street about her and what became exceedingly clear. Is it Marie Ivanovich got in Donald. Trump's whack as deputy assistant secretary of state. George Kent put it on Wednesday. You cannot promote principal anti-corruption action without without pissing off corrupt people. There's an ongoing active smear campaign that was waged against marie-yvonne which included the president's. It's personal lawyer Rudy. Giuliani is to indicted associates Levin Eager whose indictment includes a section in the indictment in the southern district about them trying to get you out out of its fire. That's part of what they're indicted for doing and the illegal contributions they made and also we should note. The president's son weighed in on this and ultimately and most importantly the president now you testified in your opening statement that you had left Ukraine by the time of the July twenty fifth call between President Trump and presidents Alinsky. When was the first time that you saw the call record for or this phone call? When it was released publicly at the end of September I believe and prior to reading that call record? Were you aware aware that president trump had specifically made reference to you and that call. Now what was your reaction to learning. That I was shocked absolutely shocked and devastated. Frankly what do you mean by devastated. I was it shocked and devastated that I would feature in a phone call between two heads of state In such a manner where President Trump said that I was bad news to another world leader And that would be going through some things So I was was it was. It was a terrible moment. A person who saw me actually reading the transcript said that the color range from my face ace. I think I even had a physical reaction. I think even now works family. What did you think when president trump told presidents alinsky? And you read that you were going to go through some things. I didn't know what to think but I was very concerned. What were you concerned about? She's going to go through some things. It didn't sound good sounded sounded like a threat. Did you feel threatened. I didn't so the the ousted former US Ukraine. She goes before Congress today. Testify in the context of impeachment. Increase the presence high crimes and misdemeanors and she's talking about this really bizarre campaign irregular. She puts it to to smear her and threatened her. That is carried out by a bunch of people but ultimately the direction the past of the president of the United States himself and she's talking about how she felt threatened by the president and well. This is playing out two huge things happen. Okay one in the middle of her testimony. The president's longtime adviser gets convicted by a jury in Federal Court House on seven counts including witness witness. Tampering that's one thing that happens and number two in real time the president himself attempts to tamper with the witness. Now he attacks Ivanovich while she's in the middle of testify. You cannot make this up as we sit here testifying. The president is attacking you a twitter. And I'd like to give you a chance to respond spawned. I'll read part of one of his tweets everywhere Maria von which went turn bad. She started off in Somalia. How did that go? Oh investor shown the courage to come forward today and testify notwithstanding the fact you urge by the White House or State Department not to notwithstanding the fact that as you testified earlier the president implicitly threatened you in that call record and now the president real time is attacking you. What effect do you think that has other witnesses willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing? Well it's very intimidating dime designed to intimidate is it not. I can't speak to what the president is trying to do but I think the effect is to be intimidating to the president. United States attacks a thirty-three year veteran the foreign service current employees the State Department the former. US embassador Ukraine on twitter in front of everyone campers with a witness. He's insulting and intimidating witnesses during his impeachment inquiry and he does this while all his political adviser is about to be found guilty of witness tampering. Now if you cover is a reporter political corruption Outside of this context if you cover mayors or corrupt governors. There's kind of a similar pattern. That happens right. You learn the way they go down is I. They're lower level and societas get indicted and it's front page news. And then those associates star coopering front page news and then their associates start cooperating. And it's a big deal and then before before you know it. A lot of the people are going to jail and then ultimately like the last four pack in a large tree down comes the person in the middle the corrupt person at the top right that that is what happened. I watched watch this happen as a young reporter in Chicago. What happened to George Ryan a former Governor Illinois? It's what happened to kwame. Kilpatrick was a former mayor of Detroit. Right One Republican one Democrat. Obviously corruption is not confined to one party. You see this around the country and local setting all the time people around the corrupt politicians they start falling playing and then usually the politician intern ends up in trouble and falling himself and the reason they fall in the end. These context is because if you were a governor or were you are a mayor you can actually be indicted by a federal prosecutor. I mean that's a badge of honor for federal prosecutor. That's not happening in this case day after day. The guys around the president are being convicted of crimes including today with Roger Stone crimes done seemingly on behalf of the present in his campaign but not the president about the President Because Department of Justice has concluded. And I think they're probably right about this that a sitting president cannot be indictable office. So this is all we get impeachment literally that is the way to stop corrupt president. That's the remedy. The only way to rein in his criminality is through this process. We were watching playout impeachment. The me now. One of the members of Congress will be considered whether to recommend charges against the present democratic congresswoman. Sheila jackson-lee Texas. She's also a member of the house. Judiciary Committee were. Those articles will likely be drafted congressman. I want to ask you about with the President tweeting about the witness today. I saw some people defending him saying. Oh come on. He's just letting off steam. It wasn't so bad. You're crazy if you think that's witness tampering. What do you say to people people who say that? Chris is good to be with you today in your audience. Let me Say That what we witnessed today was an abuse of power. A mountain of abuse of power contributing to that of course was the most devastating and seemingly senseless a tweet attacking attacking the witness as she was testifying. That happens to be a federal crime. I was reading the statute that says That any attempt to stop a witness from testifying corrupt. An intimidating manner is illegal if they are testifying in a legal proceeding or a preceeding that is official. This was an official proceeding. And so whatever argument our friends on the other side of the island and let me be very clear. Democrats want this to be a process where they put their nation and the people of the United States over themselves and the party. We're hoping that a light will turn on that they. We'll look at the facts. I don't know how anyone could not see that a witness that is spin. Sworn to testify and is in the midst of her testimony and A tweet or statement comes out that smears her and suggest that she is in quotes. No good obviously could in that moment intimidate the witness so I don't think that it is in any way a question. I I do think that that adds to the facts of this whole umbrella of abuse of power and all the elements that I heard you discussed really play into what the founding fathers established as the one the one barrier or the one wall if I might use that terminology that protects the American people against a abusive leader who is using the power of the office. Not For himself. Excuse me not for the American people but for himself. There's more news tonight on testimony. Of course we got the testimony The opening statement was acquired by CNN. The we we have looked at of the political officer in the embassy in Ukraine who gave an opening statement in which he describes a phone call. He was present for the day after the president presses. Ukrainian presents Alinsky investigations. The Biden's in which he can hear him talking to Gordon on the phone. Here's the president saying so he's GonNa start the investigation. What do you think? The significance of that is enormously significant. They're building blocks going on right now with. What is the investigatory process? What the American people are seeing now? is the substitute or instead of a independent counsel independent prosecutor. We don't have that so the intelligence community is doing an excellent job in laying the building blocks here we have an innocent Professional Foreign Service Staff person who took an not defend the nation and defend the constitution coming forward and saying the president said. I don't give a blank about the American people Ukraine gene the jeopardy of Russia invading Ukraine the war that is going on which by the way the ambassador von which went to the frontlines more than ten times. Subjecting yourself up to violence. I don't care about that in fact I don't give a blank about it. I only care about dirt on my opponent from a foreign entity absolutely against against the law here is someone totally out of the stream of Witnesses coming forward because of their commitment to the American people the oath that they take and they're saying outright that the president's own words loudly in a restaurant in a non secure at foam stunning being speaks about. I don't give a blank. It is all about me. That is clearly bribery. As well it it adds to that because it is rendering something to yourself That is not really yours for something that you I have to give or expect to give to someone else so it is just another brick in the pathway for the the committee on the judiciary to move if the decision is made to move forward in that process of articles of impeachment all based support on a report that has not yet given but that report has to be given him run since given it will have all these elements in it. I should just be given to the Judiciary Committee. One note. Clarification that the Gordon silence characterization the presence view the testimony from the witness was that he heard the president asking about best. Gatien's so people are clear on that Congresswoman Sheila jackson-lee. Thank you so much for giving us some time this Friday and I have a great. Thank you guys. Willie geist here this week. On the Sunday sit down. PODCAST I get together with. Actress Kerry Washington to talk about her Broadway. Play turned new Netflix. Movie American son. Get it now for free three wherever you download your podcasts. So again we've got breaking news tonight. Damning new closed door testimony against president trump. Remember earlier this week in public testimony. Simoni the acting ambassador Ukraine Bill Taylor that was on the first day of the impeachment proceedings. He told them an incident he had heard from one of his staffers. That hadn't previously been introduced to the record and that staffer was sitting at a table in a restaurant and Ukraine with that. US Ambassador Z.. You Gordon Sunlen inaugural donor probably got the job breath and this was one day. One day after the infamous phone call that we have the notes are right with the president saying favor though and Sunlen is talking to the president on a cell. Oh phone and the staffer over her sides of the conversation today. That staffer David. Holmes gave sworn testimony behind closed doors but when he heard here are some excerpts excerpts from that opening statement. I'm quoting here ambassador. Silence phone was not on speakerphone. I could hear the president's voice through the earpiece of the phone. President's voice was very loud loud and recognizable and ambassador Solomon held the phone away from his ear for a period of time presumably because of the loud volume. The I heard someone greet the president and explain that he was calling from cave. I heard President trump than clarify ambassador Solomon was in Ukraine in Basilan replied. Yes he was in Ukraine and one on the state presence Alinsky loves your ass then her prison term ask so he's GonNa do the investigation Russian ambassador replied that he's GonNa do it adding the present Zelinski will do anything you ask him to. I continue at the statement here even though this is now talking even though I did not take notes with these statements. I have a clear recollection. These statements were made. I believed that my colleagues were sitting at the table. Also new do that. Embassador Solomon was speaking with the president. Maybe more witnesses ambassador salmon agreed. The president did not give a shit about Ukraine. I asked why not ambassador. Basser sunlen saved. The president only cares about big stuff. I noted there was big stuff going on in Ukraine like a war with Russia and ambassador. Silane reply that he meant big stuff that benefits the president like the Biden Investigation Asian. Mr Giuliani was pushing. I want to bring an NBC News correspondent Colwell who covers congress. Who's also been going through this? Will you I just set up. Who who is David Holmes? This individual gave us Monday. David Holmes is someone who has a career at the State Department and he's someone who has come out as being someone outspoken within different different administrations as well. He actually won an award for speaking out for something. He disagreed with the Obama Administration. so He's bipolar nonpartisan. He's a straight shooter Darren. He does what he thinks is right. According to what our sources are telling us now what he said today it really substantiated. This new bombshell detail. L. That ambassador Taylor said on his public testimony on Wednesday. I think the most important thing out of this is what home said that. The President Santa's interested in the big stuff and that is not investigations into corruption in Ukraine. But that's investigations at impact him and the reason that's it's important is because we've heard testimony over testimony and read transcripts from all of these people with this same theme that people were concerned that the president put aside National National Security and America's foreign policy for the president's own benefit Chris. There's also some details in there. I thought were interesting in terms how they fit with other themes. We've heard as you said pointing talks about trying to go to a meeting with Gordon Sunland and adviser Presence Linski. That would be under a year MAC and he gets there and he's supposed host to go in and take notes and he's told not e can't go in because Sunlen and your Mac don't WanNa notetaker. They only want the two of them in there. How does that that fit with the rest of the picture? We've gotten about what Bill Taylor called the irregular channel of policy. Yeah that's exactly what the regular channel was. The actual official channel of the State Department had no idea what was happening in the irregular channel. I mean Bill Taylor was kind of the connection between the two but obviously he wasn't involved involved in every single conversation that was had so the fact that there was this meeting with John Lennon. Your Mac with note taker. Who knows what they discussed but what we do know? Is that Sunland who is going to come. Before Congressional for the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday this his testimony is going to take on a whole new level of importance. He has been become this very critical player in this entire inquiry. Land Call. Well thank you so much for joining us they want to bring in Neil Cacho. He's homer acting Solicitor General. The United States teaches constitutional law. Georgetown University is the author of a new book. Impeach the case against Donald Trump's. Thank you thank you very much sort of skirt skirt with the small the the sort of incremental news and work our way out to the big picture this testimony that we just got our hands on in the testimonies very interesting thing. Mr Home says the reason he came forward is because he saw people saying that no one actually heard from the president. There was all Harrier say and that prompted be like well. I heard the resident. They probably go talk to the committee. How important do you think this testimony we just got? I think it's significant. I don't think it's the hugest bombshell ever. And the reason for that is because we already have the president's transcript on July twenty fifth of the phone call with the president where he's essentially extorting Ukraine. So this is just further further confirmation of what we already know. And yes the president has been saying as defenders are all sank. Say a second third hand but the reason why second and third hand is one simple thing. The President has issued a gag order that prevents anyone in the executive branch from going and testifying to the hill. And when we heard Ambassador Your Banovic today testifying signed before that we heard Ambassador Taylor and Mr Ken. They are only there because they defied president instead are coming to the truth into the constitution. And we're going to tell the truth with the Congress and that's one of the you know so when we think about what the president is doing here. He did something horrible in Ukraine. But he's doing something horrible and trying to cover it up expand on that because I think that there's some sense people have that like oh it's sort of trump being trump for that this is the normal thrust and Perry and pushing poll of the two different branches inches. And you're saying there's something actually abberant here. That's not the case. Like fundamentally like this is worse than Nixon even seriously Nixon triglycerides. AWW Mark Twelve. My Birthday nineteen seventy-three. Nixon says something that trump tried to say. which is I'm not going to let the executive branch ranch witnesses testify in the spate impeachment proceeding and Congress then says well we're going to start jailing those witnesses if they don't testify and what is Nixon? Do he backs down. And lets them testify. She you think this sort of full bar that they have issued that no witnesses can go forward. They've tried to stop everyone. All these people are peering under subpoena defying. A White House order using. That's even more severe more agreed and abusive his office in the cover up what Nixon. Oh Oh yeah absolutely no question about it. I think what is going on right. Now is a fundamental betrayal. Everything the constitution is about with the president is saying is. I can't be indicted like you were saying in in your monologue. I can't even be investigated. And now he's saying I can't even be impeached because that's a coup and it's all hearsay and Blah Blah Blah. So I mean you know. Maybe he's trying to rival rival King George the third but you know but at least this country I mean. We don't have anything like Putin. Maybe like that but nothing in this. It's funny because there's one thing I've noticed in the theme of the Republican arguments these arguments that proved too much right so they say well impeachment on does the election. It's like well that's true too certain sense although it doesn't make Hillary Clinton President President Makes Mike Pence President. But that's also true any impeachment. And if you think that's wrong it shouldn't be in the constitution. Exactly you know when I wrote the book I just use a very simple thing called yardstick grow which is just shower in my life and it's how we teach law students which is just flipped the parties. And Ask yourself if this were President Obama. who done this stuff? Who'd stonewalled Congress were? If this were President Obama who tried to do a secret deal with a foreign government to get information on his rival. Would you be clamoring for impeachment. I don't know how they can look in in the mirror and say anything else. I guess the final question is what is the evidentiary burden here. I mean it's sort of strange process right because the way I always describe it as it's a murder mystery in which like the murder happens on the first page and we see the person who did it and they're standing there like standing over the body and then the rest is just told in flashback back. I'm like oh how did we get here like the evidentiary burden has been met at a certain level. Like how do you understand the case. It's being built here in that context. I mean it's more than met. It's like its conceited. Conceited pregnant at this point I mean trump is tried so many different defenses all of them completely fallen apart so I think really the only question question is okay I did it. Is it enough to remove me from office and that's where I go back to the founders because the founders didn't believe in impeachment they were sure about putting impeachment the constitution people like Albridge Sharing Gouverneur Morris and what they set when what Ben Franklin Senator Responses Imagine a circumstance in which a president sitting president goes using gets help from a foreign government to win his reelection. That's their example. That's a Franklin example in and then they change consequentially put it is. This is all a guy names Alinsky. There's a thing called the telephone and I mean it is remarkable both the wisdom of our founders but also just the -rupt lawlessness of this president. Who's done something? So fundamentally that betrays everything our founders sought the president was about. That's what this impeachment proceedings about ultimately restoring dignity and respect for the Constitution the next so this was not going to be what we call the block in the show. This is going to be higher than the show but here here we are on this day. So we're GonNa talk about what just happened with Roger Stone and also Alexandro Cortez's here don't going the Roger Stone legendary political dirt bend of our time Nixon's tattooed on his back. He's guilty today. The presence longtime I'm confident advisor and his campaign was convicted by a federal jury on all seven counts including wine Congress Russia investigation and witness tampering. All tied it was lying about his communications with the trump campaign in his unofficial role for that campaign as an intermediary with wikileaks. And of course the outlet the published the emails at rush intelligence illegally. Hat Now he is the sixth associated President who's either pleaded guilty or been convicted just since trump took office here for more on what happened in the courthouse today in the implications implications or Mimi Roca. She's a far prosecutor for the Southern District of New York and Gwen Kirschner more federal prosecutor. Who is in the courtroom for every day of the trial? The Glenn let me start with you because you're in that room. What was it like when that jury jury jury came back first of all Chris? I think it was fully expected. Given the strength of the evidence Roger Stone he really seemed deflated and defeated throughout the trial. And that was especially so when the jury started announcing its guilty verdicts. But I'll tell you it really league does seem like today. As witness tampering day and trump world we as you mentioned the jury convicted stone of five counts of lying to Congress one count of obstructing official proceeding and one count of witness tampering for basically trying to convince Congress that that Randy Credit Co longtime friend of his was his go between to wikileaks and Julian assange when Roger Stone email traffic and text messages. Prove that Randy Credit Co wasn't the go between so it was an uphill battle for the defense attorneys to prove that that Roger Stone was I was telling the truth to Congress. Now Mind you the way. He tampered with Randy. Credit Co was pretty serious because he said things like prepare to die go in and lied to Congress or I forget that you know anything and if you don't I'm GonNa take your dog away from you And then I thought that really cutest line of the entire defense closing argument recommend Chris was he said to the jury. Ladies and Gentlemen Roger Stone and Randy EPA tampering with each other for twenty years. That was a cute line but it didn't seem to resonate with the jury because pretty promptly. The jury banged him out for seven felony convictions actions so in February. And we'll see what judge Jackson is going to do. Here's the thing that's so weird about this to me. All these guys everyone around the president they really think they're tough guys like they talk like mobsters and they talk about the God the Godfather Goodfellas and and this is the first time they are actually being treated like right like all of a sudden. It's like Whoa. WHOA WHOA WHOA now? We're actually in a federal core now. We're actually being tried and I'm not even clear ear what the stakes were here for Roger Stone. It's it's almost like they are so compulsive about being lawless. Didn't now here you are. Now you're looking at a prison sentence but that's what's so Solidifying frankly about this. I will say I really wish prison on really. This isn't about. It's not just about Roger Stone Right. That's the point like to me when I saw that I wasn't yeah. Roger Stone's going to jail it was exactly what the prosecutor said in his rebuttal to yourself and he said at the trial to the jury he said. Why should you care? Why should you convict? Because truth still matters coming back the way they did with a conviction on every count so quickly was their way of saying. Yeah it does and that's an impartial. non-political jury that represents US America so it was a good. How much time is he looking at? Now well statutorily. Max is fifty years however the sentencing guidelines. I'd lines there will be some complex calculations that will have to go into what his final range is. If I had to hazard a guess Chris I would say he's looking at somewhere between. I mean maybe five and six on the bottom maybe ten and eleven years on the top so he is facing a number of years in prison. There's one bit of testimony that happen. Glenn I talked about it last week in this very chair about the deputy campaign manager Rick Gates saying that he actually saw stone talked to trump about the wikileaks release. And it's imminence before or it happened. which which is defies the sworn testimony? The President Robert Muller in which. He says he didn't recall it now. Of course you can square those two if he didn't remember do. Do you feel based on that based on this trial that like we got to the bottom everything in the muller. We'll look that fact about trump and stone talking on the phone gates and basically trump and other people in the campaign knowing about the release of the emails ahead of time. I'm planning their campaign strategy. Part around it. That was in the Miller report right. I mean every time we hear something. We're like wait. That's great. Oh that was in the airport but it gets lost. I think having it highlighted here it brings it home. No is the short answer. I still don't think we've gotten to everything. I think there's going to be some parts of that report. Now that will be unredacted. Did which will be interesting to see. We might get some more facts. I think we know more now. Though we know the fuller picture we know how much it was mentioned Taylor report but now we have a clearer picture of how they were getting this information knowing it had been hacked stolen by the Russians and they weren't part of the hack that's surly early but they were using it as part of their campaign and it just shows just like now trump will do anything to help his political campaign me Rocca and Glenn Glenn Kirschner thank you both so much so when we come back congresswoman Alexander Cossio Cortez of the Bronx my favorite borough. It's here the midway through today's impeachment. Hearing the president was accused of witness tampering on twitter after sending on a tweet attacking which of course the former. US Ambassador Ukraine nine washing was testifying to Congress. One of the sharpest rejoinders came from one of the sharpest tweeter Democratic House Caucus Congresswoman Alexandra. Cossio Cortez. Maybe you've ver- philly not satisfied with only one articles of impeachment choice to public broadcasters own personally authored witness disintermediation means he wants to sign up for another article on obstruction of justice. To please join me in welcoming congressman. The I guess it's not surprising. The president of that no not surprising. Aw I'm sure and it certainly seemed my republican colleagues were scrambling being. After he sent out those tweets trying to provide some kind of cover. I mean. It's a book clowning themselves at this trying to somehow find a way to both preserve their careers in their futures wall protecting this president and they're not possible and they're going with the ladder. So you're here's someone who I think you came to Congress that very strong vision and agenda clearer about that when you ran your primary that you want and I think there's there's an interesting sort of debate about this impeachment and about the president that has to do with you know. Is this the best use of legislative. Time there you've seen some Republicans saying it's not as someone who has an agenda that you wanna pass right that you want to see happen. How do you view impeachment in that context? Well I'm I'm not very concerned about it because we're able to legislate while this is happening just yesterday. I introduced our first piece of of green new deal legislation which around public housing and decarbonising our entire public housing stock in the United States. It's not coming. The cost of legislating. Some may say that mass media may cover our proposals a little bit less great job. So it's no Sandra I love you but I don't think I'm GonNa get like a decarbonisation like the m times it's okay. I think. I think we're legislating. Working for people were building the president countable. And it's all possible do you. What do you view the steak says here? I think that some people think he's bad in a normal way something he's bad in An admiral way something he he's genuinely represents like an actual real existential constitutional threat to the order of the republic. Where are you on that scale? It's bad it's really bad. It's not normal bad. It is threat to the republic until the order of American in society bad. And if we don't hold this accountable then we really erode rule of law in the United States of America and really what makes America different when people people say I want to do business here I want to. I want to write books here. I WANNA take my family here. I want to raise and be around American ideals. A lot of it has to do with the reliability that people the right people will be held to account that there are consequences for doing wrong for hurting people and also so that this is a fair country where everyone is treated equally. But isn't that is often honored in the breach is one of the things that I think helps him. Is there so much cynicism. Assume about that exact thing. Well that's exactly right. Isn't it because there is a lot of corruption in our society. Big Money and big Pharma and big oil and big gas have taken over our entire a political system and there are a lot of systemic threats. But that doesn't mean that just because some things are broken you throw out our entire country and set it on fire and and beyond its core. The most sacred document in our society is the constitution of the United States. Everything else is very easily amenable but this is not and once we erode the general respect back to the Constitution then we essentially erode respect for the United States of America. And that's what this president has done you. There was a report this week about Stephen Miller lawyer who is the president's point person on immigration fact to the extent that he is he's kind of run roughshod over DHS independent agency or an agency that functions. He there about seven hundred emails of his leak. which he's cultivating Breitbart reporter and pushing white nationalist themes that immigrants are criminal lanese recommending racist books? You've called for him to resign. You started a petition. Why if we have a white nationalist at the helm of us for US immigration policy it means that US immigration policy will become increasingly more fish cystic and we cannot allow that to be uh-huh uh-huh and so long Stephen Miller is in charge of US immigration policy? Hundreds of thousands of people's lives are going to be in danger over seventy seventy or around seventy thousand migrant. Children have been detained and including child separation including horrific conditions including including young children who have died in. US custody this is not normal and when we have. I mean it's it's it's nuts because earlier this year ear when I echoed. The consensus of experts of historians of experts political scientists in saying that the conditions on our board of the mass expansion of detention camps qualifies a concentration camp. Everybody thought it was nuts right until we realized this week. That Stephen Miller is no joke. Die Hard white nationalist. This is what our our policy has become and in order for us to rectify and to begin to heal as a country. He has got to go. I feel duty-bound under note that that Miller's defenders Miller himself would say I'm Jewish myself I come from a Jewish family and it's offensive for you to invoke that word particularly as regards someone who is Jewish. Well I'm sure that's also the way in which he's weaponized his identity right like you know they say there's your your the color of your skin and the the identity you are born with does not absolve you of moral wrong. You know the perfect person. The perfect looking person to advance horrifically inhumane immigration policy would be someone that looks like me or someone that looks like someone in this audience right because that's what provides the cover ver- for these incredibly damaging and dangerous policies. So I'm not here to weaponize my identity and I don't think any public servant should weaponized their identity in order to advance white nationalist ideas period. I don't care who you are. The recently doors Senator Bernie Sanders and you were just I wa. I trip to Iowa live. Bronx goes to Iowa it was. It was a clash of culture of yeah it was. Here's my question and I go. You know so this is not a question about your choice endure sanders or it's more a broader question about these two ways in which people talking about the primary debate and one is like you. You GotTa be realistic. This is crazy. We can't do Medicare for all we can't do green new deal. You guys are out of your mind to make these Marshall improvements and the other is go bigger go home bold solutions you stay out your position you fight for it. I'm onto pathetic that latter one but I do feel like there's a little over correction sometimes where it's like there. There is a political reality here and it seems to me. The debate sometimes have a little bit of angels dancing on the head of a pin quality. which is like well which Medicare for all right are we? Do we have the votes in the house right now. Yeah but how do you square the sort of politically possible and the bold vision in your head is a sitting member well for me and and my personal political strategy and this is what I've practiced is to come in with the boldest vision possible because the political reality hits the fan on the floor of the House so let that happen down the road. We need to come in strong. Don't do it ahead of time. You're saying yeah don't don't show like don't bargain with an negotiate with yourself ahead of time and don't be overly cynical about this political moment because what we we have right now frankly with donald trump in the White House is a moment to create a unique moment to create a mass movement of Americans to push for everything that we want and all that we deserve so we don't need to negotiate with ourselves. The you said this thing when you're endorsing sanders that has really stuck with me. And I feel like you've been very honest about this about out the pressure to conform that you show up in Congress and there's just pressure to conform. What is that pressure? Feel like. How does it manifest itself? What do you mean by that? Well that pressure is like a vice and there are so many different mechanisms in Congress that create that pressure one for example is the fact that had any bill and legislation. That is being voted on is not really debut two members until about forty eight hours before the vote and so oh sometimes these bills go through markup they go through individual committees and we all sit on different committees. So there's no way that we can all be at every markup at the same time but the move through mark. We often don't know if a vote is coming until corden house rules forty eight hours ahead of time. which is an improvement upon? Paul Ryan's Congress and which news twenty four hours ahead of time and so we're talking about sometimes pieces of legislation. There are thousands of pages long and then you say wait wait. This is a a really big problem. That's a really big problem. And they say well are you on our side or not. And there's all this like lobbyists you know the authored provisions that are slipped inside. Sometimes we're able to catch them and take them out. We did that quite a few times in appropriations where we found a couple. Fossil fuel amendments but But there's a real intense pressure to conform yes. Do you feel like that intense pressure to conform. There's also how do you you balanced like I'm entering this institution that I ran against in some ways that I viewed as corrupt from the outside now inside it and I don't want a sell out and I don't want I don't WanNa be sanded down to to conform but also I wanNA learn how the place works and those seem to me like those can be impulses that are in tension with each. You feel that way. I think well the they are naturally intention. But that's where kind of just individual's personality comes through so if you just think that a person's politics defines who they are and you see every person that is on the other side out of you as a as almost a personal enemy that creates a huge amount of problems for you but when you see the result of our political process on the things that come out of our Congress this is the natural result of pressures on our system then you can treat the individuals inside the system as human but also it also almost. I don't like using the word civility in politics because I think it's a term to police how people talk but dragged on twitter. Yeah exactly actually but I do think that there is an element. Where if I respect you like people know that that my political positions when I walk in in there and what's great is that they know exactly how I feel and who I am and so they know not to come to me with certain banks and they also pro surgeries conversation Tunheim but they also they also are willing to reach out to me on unusual things they feel like would fit in the consistency of my values? Dude like being a member of Congress I do I do like being a member of Congress I think think being a public service the greatest honor of me congresswoman Andrew Paseo. Thank you so much. I thank you for joining US tonight. We'll be back next Friday falling another week of public impeachment hearings. Also a debate beat hosted on this network on Wednesday night. 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Epidemic Response Part 2: Stories about past epidemics
"And now, a game of commercial chicken brought to you by progressive where we see how long can go without talking about insurance ready go. I. Guess we should talk about. How's the Vermicelli game in your town gotten a good Vietnamese restaurants. Vermicelli oh, it's a noodle, very good drivers the switched to progressive to say. Okay you win, we can't help it save customers, Money Progressive Casualty Insurance, company, and affiliates. Science Story. He's nyu scientists the fell. Well tweeted out it was that golden moment because science was on my side. Everybody. Welcome to the story collider where we bring you true personal stories about science I'm your host Aaron Barker, and last week we shared two stories about epidemics from our back catalogue with you. One story from Dr in the early days of the AIDS epidemic and other from science advisor to President Obama about the fight against. evil. Today we have two more of these stories one from journalist and one from a missionary. We're sharing these stories as we gear up to debut are brand new series stories of Kobe nineteen. Our first story today is from Erica Check Hayden. It was recorded in October two, thousand sixteen. The rickshaw stop in San Francisco is part of the bay area. Science Festival. Seeing the babies was the hardest part. It was December. Two thousand fourteen and I always reporting on a Bola in Sierra Leone. I'd arrived at a clinic in the city of Bo in the middle of the country. There were so many sick babies coming into this clinic that the doctors there had created a dedicated ward just for infants who had Ebola. That's how bad it was. They had their own special tent. Just. Before I had arrived that day a mother and a baby with a Bola had checked in together. But there was no sound coming from that tent. The whole time I was there the baby tent was completely silent. I knew from my own small kids that. A healthy child would never lie still and quiet for hours. The next day. I. Learned that the baby had died. His mother had lived but the doctors were worried that when she found out about her son, she would give up on her own fragile recovery. Another clinic in a city called mckennie I met a little boy. He was scooting round the nurses station in a rolling Walker he checked in with his mom and she'd died of Ebola and her family had refused to take this boy in. They were. Afraid of Bulla. They somehow thought that because the boy had been with his mom when she was sick, he might somehow infect them to. It couldn't happen but. They wouldn't take him in and he was an orphan he had nowhere else to go and so he was living there at the clinic. It was hard to see. It might be hard to hear about now. Just think how hard it was for that boy and for his family. At the same clinic I met a woman in her twenties she was very pregnant. She didn't look sick at all but she did look terrified and I noticed that she was sitting on a bench in the intense afternoon sun. On I wondered why she didn't move to a nearby bench in the shade. She said that her name was mcglinchey. When I met her she was about eight months pregnant. Just a little bit before then she'd felt a pain in her abdomen. She wanted to be sure that everything was okay with her pregnancy and so she went to get it checked out at a local clinic. But the nurses there wouldn't treat her. They were spooked by. So many healthcare workers had died taking care of pregnant women with Ebola. Because these women often miscarry their babies and when they miscarry, they bleed a lot. And their blood contains the infectious Ebola virus. So. These nurses. Weren't gonNA take a chance. They told 'em abentee that they wouldn't see her. That she could go get Ebola test and if the result was negative than she could come back and they would take care of her then. So she did what they said. She went to get the test. The only problem was that while she waited for the results of the test, she had to stay in this facility that's called a holding center that's where I met her. That's where you go. If doctors suspect you have a Bulla or if they know you have a bola. Hospital bed. So she was Living Nair in holding center waiting for the result of her test. Side by side with people who had a bola. So every day that she stayed in this holding center increased her chance that she would become infected with a bola if she wasn't already. And it's no wonder that she didn't go sit on the shady bench because it was occupied by a sick people who had a bola they were sitting in lying down on that bench. She was terrified for her life and for her baby. I knew that I would have done the same thing she had. And yet now she was living with this unfathomable daily risk. I really felt for her because my own kids were two and four at that point and. Reporting from Sierra Leone was the first occasion when I spent any real time away from them. Having kids had reordered my world. I had been a journalist for a decade before I had my first child and I reported on all kinds of things and I travelled lots of places. and. Then I had my son and then my daughter and I wanted to be with them. So I cut way back on work and I tried to squeeze it into a normal forty hour week. Pretty much stopped traveling. I knew that I was dialing back on my own expectations for my career and I didn't know if I'd ever feel the same way again about work. Then two thousand fourteen came and the bull crisis hit. And as a science journalist who covers infectious disease. I had to get on top of the story. So I was reading and reporting basically trying to figure out why the epidemic had gotten so There had been ebola epidemics before this one where dozens of people or maybe a hundred people had died but they're never been anything like this where of thousands of people got sick and thousands died. So one day I was reading an article by a nurse who worked for Doctors Without Borders. It's the medical aid group that cared for a lot of patients in this epidemic, and she described treating a two year old girl who died in an Ebola clinic without any of her family her. At that time my own daughter was too. And as I read this. I wondered what it would be like for her to be. Sick and on a hospital without me or her dad there to hold her. And later, that night we were playing together in her room before bedtime and I tried to imagine checking her into a hospital knowing that I might never see her alive again. It made me feel hollow inside to know that mothers in Sierra. Leone were doing that every day. and. I wanted to see what was really so horrible about Ebola. Not that it might make you bleed from is and not that it would likely kill you. But. That it was ripping apart families and neighborhoods and communities. And social fabric that holds people together. A few days before I left Sierra Leone I called McGinty's husband to check up on her. He said that have been DIS abolish test results had come back and it was negative. So. That seemed like Great News Vinci could go home now. Right But no, there was a catch because by that point been in that holding center for weeks. And she was in close proximity with a bowl of patients so. Now. She had to get a second Ebola tests just to make sure that she hadn't become infected in the holding centre while waiting for the results of her first test, and so she was still in the holding centre waiting for the results of that second test. She was still in danger. I came back home, and when I got back to my house on Christmas Day. My own kids were happy and healthy and well cared for. Just as I knew, they would be. But I couldn't stop thinking about mcginty in whether she was. Okay. She done the same thing I would've done. But because Sierra Leone is a poor country and because. The rest of the world took way too long to respond to the Ebola. Epidemic. She was fighting to stay alive and to keep her family together. Well I was helping my kids try on their new Christmas pajamas. After Christmas I called McGinty's husband about to check up on her. He said that against all odds movin had survived. Her second bullet test was negative and she'd been allowed to leave the holding center. And then in February, she'd had her baby. Completely healthy little girl named solly. It felt like a miracle. It shouldn't have to be. Thanks. That was Erica Check Hayden. Erica's a San Francisco based journalist and director of the Science Communication Program at the university. Of California Santa Cruz Erica was a reporter, the science journal Nature for fifteen years where she covered biomedical research specializing in genetics, infectious disease and science and Silicon Valley. She won multiple awards including for her work on the twenty fourteen bullish. For we continue on to our next story I, want to remind you all about our live online shows. We have these shows happening several times a month now, where you can hear never before heard science stories live in a couple of weeks we actually have a show from Vancouver team with Vancouver based science stories and it will be at seven PM Pacific. Time. So if you're a west coaster has been meaning to catch one of our shows, this could be your chance. Keys episode is brought to you by better help an online therapy service. 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Better help wants you to start living a happier life today visit better help dot com slash story quieter. That's better h. e. l. p., and join the more than a million people who have taken charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional. Back, so many people have been using better help that they're recruiting additional counselors in all fifty states. Special offer for storage. Later, listeners, you can get ten percent off your first month at better help DOT com. Our next story today is from Richard Cardillo. It was recorded in May two thousand Seventeen at Union Hall in Brooklyn. The theme that night was in visibility. Hi. It's September of Nineteen, eighty mid six o'clock in the morning and I'm in the monastery chapel like am every morning at six am. And it's my turn to read the gospel meditation to my seventeen brother. Monks. I go up to the front. So electrons open the Bible and I begin reading. and Jesus said. In a little while and you will see me no more and then in a little while you will see me again. Are closed the Bible. I go back to my pew kneeling and have the most profound meditation and reflection. Damn. I want some of that magic trick invisibility going rogue disappear without anybody knowing where you are I had this crazy fantasy you know. marie-yvonne trapped. When she wanted to disappear from the conference, you go prancing through the Alps I wanted to disappear from my monastery and I wanted to go cruising through the ramble in central park but I didn't and I wouldn't. I'm twenty, two years old and I've already been five years inside the. Sounds like a prison sentence. I'm giving you a message from the inside but I joined at the tender young age of seventeen. I made this experiment and in visibility at the time. I knew. Kind of knew. That I was gay and I was so ashamed and so afraid of that I figured I could pray away the gay by joining a monastery. So that's what I did. I go to formation. This frustration was at lasting a little bit longer than usual, but I wasn't going to act on it. I was going to stay faithful. I had this Pesky little idea that I could just turn things around I. Even Changed My name in the monastery I'm Richard My name's Richard but. Beginning in my first year, the monastery and for fourteen years after that I became furthermore work. And that persona took on everything that I wanted to be but new inside I wasn't. And I wasn't going to act on any of those things I told you these pesky little idea which is my vow of Celibacy. I've made a promise and a vow that I would never ever have any relations with a human being ever for the rest of my life. So I went through with it I. It was hard. I kept shuttling the words of Horton. Not The saint the elephant. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. Brother Mark will be faithful, one hundred percent and I kept up at it. I finally finish my formation. They sent me out teaching to an all boys Catholic High School in Harlem and I was going through the motions but it just didn't feel authentic at all. These crazy feelings wouldn't go away so I figured. I had to petition my superiors to get something more difficult more drastic because his self-imposed conversion therapy just wasn't working. So I told my superiors eat something tougher about a week after that I could knock on my cell door, not a prison cell but felt like that knock on my cell door and he came in, he said, we're the mark, you speak Spanish. Nice about high school Spanish he said well. Think better start learning. 'cause we're transferring you to the missions in Peru. And all of a sudden I became a missionary. After some intense language study and some intense Liberation Theology I was assigned to teach in his remote shantytown of village which was on the outskirts of Lima Peru this was a time where the country was just falling apart. They were in the hands and the grip of terrorist violence. There was no sanitation health was horrible. The economy was in a collapsed there was hyper inflation and I was assigned there. So I show up and all of a sudden I'm meet this community organizer WHO's the same age as I am twenty, seven Gonzala and Gonzalo wrangles me into starting an orphanage for all the kids who were coming to the. Capital city. For a somewhat better life. So. I said Okay we'll give it a try but I'm just not going to be good at this and she guided me through it. She guided me she was a consummate person who let me know at any given time if my privilege was showing for instance, I'll give you an idea. She told me you know I see every morning you go out and these women that are carrying their babies in there in the papooses and and you just go up and you're a politician hey, baby how are you? What is the name of your baby? Can I hold your but she don't pay attention to the baby and don't ask for the baby's name and I asked her why not? She said, fifty percent of the babies die here before the age of one, the mothers don't name that baby until they know that baby's going to flourish. So don't ask for the name of the baby. They'll just call that baby Minnie call it nittany. So. I learned she was also the consummate community builder in that orphanage. Obviously, we didn't know the birth dates of any of the kids in that orphanage but on every one of their saint days or their names day named as Gonzala would make very special cake for each boy or girl, and she decorated the top of it with something that symbolized their specific personality. If there was a shoeshine boy, she put a picture of shoe on top of the on top of the cake. It was somebody who was interested in music. She'd Stencil in Pan Pipes Guitar. So she just really had these kids eating out of her hands but up community like I couldn't believe. About six months after we started the orphanage I was also asked to become the community health organizer for my village. There was no clinic there was no hospital within hundreds of miles. So I was in charge I took this crash course in all things rural medicine my Bible was his book called where there is no doctor. And I learned how to do very basic things, fixed bumps and bruises. How to get somebody's fever down I could even learn how to give stitches to people. It was amazing. But the one thing I had no control over all the diseases connected to poverty these kids were coming down with dysentery gre. All different kinds of intestinal things diarrhea and I just could not get anywhere with that and it was frustrating. Only about eight or nine months after I took over that job I was hit with a really big piece of misfortune in my life. I contracted cholera. And it probably was the most debilitating disease or incident that ever happened in my life. I knew that I was just wasting away. You know it's funny I tell stories now all over the place different slams, different shows, and I'm getting very used to that. There's usually the requisite poop story. Everybody has their one food story that they gotta tell and I guess this is my requisite poop store but I just can't tease out any humor from it but there I was and I felt my body just collapsing I couldn't leave the bathroom because it was incessant diarrhea of just liquid. I had lost fourteen pounds in two days. My skin was tightening my eyes were turning yellow. I was literally disappearing. The State Department Cape Kept. Good. Good. Tabs on everybody who was in the country who was a Gringo and they found out about me and they sent an ambulance right away to pick me up and put me right into a hospital. The best in the nation right in the capital of Lima and they automatically put the Rehydration Vian me and I was fine after twelve hours there was some bedrest and then after five days I was out of there and I was taken back to the village and there was a sign there bienvenidos tomato monarchos. I felt very, very good There was a lot of fanfare for me but within a short amount of time going back and saying, yes, I am cured. I got the horrible news that in my five day absence. Forty. Five children. Had died of. Cholera I. Lost it but I had to contain myself. I felt for the sake of the people have to hold it together and I talked to one of the elders I said, how could this happen? I got better and they didn't and he said all at Amano or Fosse it's easy to know why and I said well, why why did that happen? He said. To. It is located. In Los Otros. So much locate SOMOS. Because you are who you are. and. We are who we are and that's when I learned about privilege. And that's when I felt really lousy. That's when I knew that I had to start taking steps to turn things around. It was amazing. I knew the privilege was something in me not only for my health but the things that I could hide and I was hiding my sexuality it's probably what got me into that country in the first place. So I knew that I had to turn that around and it's kind of that day that I made the decision that I was going to spend the rest of my life. Advocating and being an ally for people who couldn't be who they were. Because of their race, their gender, their gender expression, their sexuality, their sexual orientation, their religion it didn't matter I wanted to be the advocate. So people be who they were. that. Was the lesson I learned in Peru. There comes a time when your missionary, they teach you about this a sane. When you're working with people from different culture. Always go. Where you're really really needed. But Not really wanted. And only stay. Until you're really really wanted. But Not really needed. So I knew, it was for me to go to live with my true self and I went back to the United States eventually left the monastery a legit gay man got into a partnership with A. Partner. Of. Eighteen years. And I kind of never strayed from that idea of being this advocate for other people. In two thousand and fifteen at the behest of the Ministry of Education. In Peru I was invited to go down to help the Ministry of Education put together an anti bullying program. All around the country and I was going to be there for ten days. It was my first time back in the country since I had left. And I said this is going to be great and I found a different country. The roads were built health was better. The economy was in good shape still pockets of poverty but people were doing pretty good and I wanted to make it a point to look up Gonzala and I found her I knew I would. So we spent a day together she. She had married children of her own through the years and I just loved reminiscing with her about the orphans that we took care of and I use that time to ask her genitals and to come out say, did you know at that time that I was gay? He says, you know. I always thought that. But I wanted to respect. Your desire to be hidden, and in fact, you remember what I taught you about those women with their babies that they don't know the name, their babies until that baby can flourish. Said Yeah She. Said had a model Marcos was ready to flourish. Richard is ready to flourish. And I was just so thankful. I go back to my hotel room. That the next morning I get this call from the front desk somebody left a parcel for you. So this is great somebody I thought it was a gift or something I go down there and I see the box and I knew what it was right away I looked at that boxing was Gonzalez cake boxes. So I said, she made me a cake and opened up the cake box and I look at that Katie indeed, it was a cake from Gonzala. Decorated on the top. With a rainbow flag. Forty five years earlier I had said those words from the Gospel in a little while you will see me no more and then in a little while you will see me again. I felt that I had come full circle and I could finally go about the business of being seen again. Thank you. That was Richard Cardillo Richard is a twenty five year resident of the lower east side, and he's been an educator for over three decades on two continents and in two languages. He's also an accomplished storyteller who won the moth story slam at least six times. 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"Hey everyone welcome to. Let's get civil in this mini episode. We are giving you an impeachment update so grab your sixty seven senators and let's get cynical. Everybody Hi guys. It's US us today. Tomorrow's what was yesterday and the next day and the next day and the next stay but today on this day. We're doing a mini episode. Yeah by popular demand. You guys were screaming from the rooftops. That's not true but I know we all need to talk talk about what's been going on really been itching to talk about the. Yeah it's hard to not be all that is a question. I get a lot from from folks like are you guys GonNa Tackle Hackel the impeachment stuff and it's like A. Yeah Yeah Yeah we are we are. We are as day as everybody remembers. We disagreed impeachment impeachment episode of like what the processes lie. Yeah many moons ago it was one of the first four or the first four with the amazing era Eisenberg and you you know when we did that episode. We were like. Is it going to happen. Is it going to happen. We were kind of back and forth and sure enough here we are and it is happening being almost a full year later. Honest yes since we recorded it for sure so happy anniversary to us and impeachment cheers and Zack in celebration. We're GonNa talk about what's been going on in this particular impeachment process. I love it so I'm Gonna I just jump right in and start with the timeline of events of the impeachment process Before I start I'm going to say the majority of what we're talking about today comes from from a really great. To really great articles one is from business insider written by Grace Panetta and the second is the New York Times article written by way Kai and these two great individuals really laid it out just like what's been happening the process. He's what's next gray. Everybody's worried about what's next and we'll talk about. It goes by more by. What's next they want the wrote like what that means is? When is he leaving office next when is he gone? When is it over when we usually take out of our misery? Just shoot me okay. So let's talk about the year of our Lord. Twenty nineteen specifically September in in mid-september reports of a whistle blower surfaced about a call trump made to the president of Ukraine that alleged that trump threatened to withhold congressionally nationally approved eight unless the cranium president investigated Joe Biden. Son Hunter Biden on a call that took place on July twenty fifth. The starting moment this the inciting incident yeah July twenty fifth call. I guess I should have started in July in July of the twenty th day I call him. President trump and you and the Ukrainian president is where this is all coming from that so that happened in September then on September twenty fourth. Nancy Pelosi announces that the House Intelligence Oversight and foreign affairs committees would be jointly pursuing an impeachment inquiry into president trump specifically surrounding the allegations of this whistle blower. The whistle blower will come into play a lot in in this time line then then two days later on September twenty six the full declassified whistleblower complaint between trump and Ukraine's president was released. Were reading eating it. We all right at everybody. Read the text. The text on October eighth. The White House releases statements announcing that they will not allow the administration Australian to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry. This will come into play later because you can't talk to Congress. You can't do it you can't do it. Not Two days later left Parnis and I wore or Ebor brew. Men Associates of Rudy Giuliani. Who are alleged to have helped Giuliani? Dig Up dirt on Joe Biden. Didn't were charged with campaign finance finance violations. This is when I came in drew. They dragged them off the plane. And this is where I was like. Oh Ooh K.. GonNa fall on Rudy Giuliani's sweet rudy man. Get like GIN. Give us a week doc. And some like he the Rudy Rudy. Giuliani I feel like is about to just explode like I know it has already but he is about it's all about to come Crashing down. I can't wait and then on October Seventeenth Mick. Mulvaney publicly confirms that trump trump held Ukrainian aid in exchange for political gain. So this this is my mom is my moment was watching this press conference where Mick Mulvaney. That's something along the lines. And and I'm paraphrasing. Yes he did quid pro quo. So what so. What right? And it's like I remember being like Mick. Thank you just admitted to the baby. A bunch of people. Yeah yeah mic nick. At MAC SUITE MIC. I'd be like he's another one. Who will probably flip so that was on October seventeenth where Mick Mulvaney was like yes? Of course he withheld aid and everybody was like Meg. Tell me this is now I sweet mic okay. Then on October twenty second. US Acting Ambassador to Ukraine. Bill Taylor testifies that Gordon Gordon Sunland Donlan and Kurt. Volker worked on behalf of trump and Giuliani to push Ukrainian government to launch an investigation into Biden and exchange or aid aide. So these this testimony was happening behind. Closed doors this is the one on this gift and Then octa one day later on October twenty third Republican House members stormed the closed door impeachment hearings. This room was a secure congressional facility that they used their cell phones and risking national all security. I just the funny thing to note about the Republicans storming these hearings. Is that a little less less than half of the members in these impeachment. Hearings are Republicans are way way way way we. Are you telling me what that win. Rise Devon Nunez has said multiple times during the public hearings That they were secret impeachment hearings and that he was lying. I mean hey he and I are very close I would never in my life. Call him a liar but He they were invited in fact like legally more than less than half of them. Have to be on these committees. And it's true it wasn't like would they just had one right eight. It was like a third a third. Were Republican House members in these meetings. Were they were like please participate right. Please ask the questions and instead they were like. We're not invited you. I know it's like watching. A child have a meltdown in the cereal aisle at the grocery store right where the child like. I'll never eat a if you don't buy a captain Greig Giles. Never eat again. And it's like what are you talking about like we have of cereal. Get an atom ship is the parent who's like you can keep throwing your temper tantrum. Everybody is just going to think that you are insane. Yeah Yeah then on October. Thirty first the Year of our Lord Two Thousand Nineteen. The House passed the resolution to formalize the impeachment inquiry. So up until that point point they were literally just asking questions right there were just like are there grounds like who do we need to hear from. Are there grounds and then on October thirty first it was like okay. Hey there are grounds grounds and this is now a visual and so the vote passed to thirty two to one ninety-six essentially along on party lines. And so what. This resolution setup wise setup open hearings a public hearings which we have been everybody's been watching scene coverage on since then so this also allowed for the ranking members of the Intelligence Committee. GOP Representative Devon ious to call for witnesses. It misses or subpoena. So like in this moment it was like Okay Devon. You can call for witnesses right you can subpoena right now. Both sides right. Both sides of fair are game to this. Call the right issue subpoenas because up until this point it was just the Democrats being like we run the committees. And now we're going to call on these people long. We're GONNA ask them questions because we don't know what we don't know right so we need to know right. We need to ask people who were there who have information what they know so that we can call the people exit testified to what they know exactly right. This resolution also published redacted transcripts of the closed door depositions so the ones that we were just talking about. Don't and we'll talk about those in just a second and then it allows for the president and his attorneys to cross examine witnesses. So this is where it's like. Send in your attorneys asked the questions I the question imagine rudy being like now Basler Sunland. Yeah did you receive a call for me all you did. We not not speak on angelides when I look like Rudy like skyping in from Ukraine like ninety times himself in this like one week period. It's Rudy's always in Ukraine and I just want to be like Rudy. Get Out of Ukraine. It looks John Out of you. Great game you go anywhere else like Russia. That would be better right now just job. I don't know I'm not a lawyer. I don't know I don't know the INS and outs the intricacies of things but I just feel like Rudy. Get Out of Ukraine okay. It's on November third. The whistleblower offers to answer written questions from House Republicans. Note that the whistle blowers like. Ask Me Anything Ama read it Ama. You can't know who I am because legally I'm don't have to say who. I am protected by the Constitution You can't ask me who I am. Devon stop asking the whistle blower is. It is full legal. But I will answer any questions that you have. Every they're given every opportunity to ask questions to all the people and they're like no. We don't ask Syria. I'll know when kids get that. That sounded the voice. It sadly sorry. Producer Gate is putting her head in her hands because casinos. That look bikes on the audio right now. Just looking at the sorry. I know we didn't check that sound. I'm sorry I'll bring it down but you know what I'm saying. That's a soft rule in. Yes yes Squeeze so then November fourth through the eighth transcripts from testimonies from Lieutenant. Colonel Alexander Redman Fiona Hill Bill Taylor Kurt. Volker Gordon Sunland and Maria Ivanovich were all confirming quid pro quo allegations so they in their clothes store stuff. Either the T- The redacted testimonies from their closed door four sessions were basically. Everybody was like it was a tit for tat was pro quo and we all knew of it and we and we are yeah. We reported it to our supervisor is ours because like yeah I was. I literally said to my supervisor. It was like this is not normal. I'm like okay. Where where's the next year up right? So then on November Thirteenth Acting Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor and State Department Department official overseeing Ukrainian policy. George Kent are the first to publicly testify in the house. Intelligence Committee hearing. Yeah Big One Taylor man who very good testimony really good testimony. These are all like the people who are going to talk about. Who All did public testimony? These are a legitimate people undoing their jobs for decades plus yeah and have respect your are widely respected for the most part. Not I think saw like you. The right and not do like dig on land. Although his gearing performance was interesting to say the least sure he's just just before that he was like a hotel owner. Right right he never widely respected in their field is not applicable to him but most of the other ones like the career officials yet right a lot of invoice on. Let's fight going to start the ball. It may sound like a child and a serial I now but it's okay you did it now. You're making producer game. Add because you're screaming into the Mike. Hi this is the first time I've ever spiked like you. Okay you're laughs will spike some of the time you get a good cackle in there and I have to like bring it. Ah Yeah so then November fifteenth former. US Ambassador to Ukraine marie-yvonne avenge testifies in the House Intelligence Committee hearing for six hours for six hours hours six hours. She was so good. I mean they were all night. It just got better day by day. Yeah Bill Taylor. Like he set the tone and was just very like he commanded respect just by his sheer presence. Right what he had to say. And then Ivanovich testified at. I was like Oh shit. This is like this is going to be real. She's not kidding. Yeah then on November nineteenth the TAP Ukraine expert on the National Security Council. Lieutenant Alexander Redman born service first aid to Vice President Mike Pence Jennifer Williams National Security Council's former official overseeing Russia and European policy and former. US invited Ukraine. Volker testify testify publicly in the house. Intelligence Committee hearing sorry. I try to list all of their out all of their jobs. Who are these people? It's like Ukrainian Iranian expert on the National Security Council yet. Yeah Jennifer Williams who like the Republicans tried to say like. You're basically make her out to be like his scheduler scheduler right no no. She's awesome yes. They testify Volker dramatically altered in his previous testimony by saying he found the investigation into the Biden's to be an appropriate. He in his testimony said he didn't really see anything like everything everything was above board And then he testified on on this day on the on the nineteenth was like no. Yeah no quid. Pro and its pip and I believe Volcker was the Republicans he was so let's also although more than to know that Republicans vulgar and vulgar as like. Yeah it happened. It Ha- happens sorry so then the next day it was big week. Big Big Big Week November twentieth. US Ambassador to the EU. Gordon Sunland John. Lind Deputy Assistant Secretary at the Department of Defense or Cooper Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs of the State Department David Hale all publicly testified in the house intelligence committee. I feel Gordon. Sunlen was probably the high not the highlight but like the his demeanor alone. Yeah like he sat down in that chair and I I was like okay. Okay Radha FRAT party it only glide setting his change up so then the next day on. The twenty-first National Security Council's former Russia analysts Fiona Hill. Oh and counselor for political affairs at the US Embassy and Ukraine in David Holmes publicly testify in the House. Intelligent Committee hearings the Fiona Hill hearing. I love her so much. Yeah Very Mary solid human. I like an bucking terrifying. It's like you're dealing with people who are like no. I've been doing this for thirty years. I know what I am talking about. Do not question my integrity home was fierce as fuck. Just WanNa be her best friend Queen. I love her she. She is as Kate McKinnon would say she is the beyond say of the government. Yeah for sure. Yeah for sure said then we had a weekend break we did have a weekend break. Came back on on a Tuesday November twenty fifth the federal judge rules that former White House counsel Don mcgann must testify before Congress. So this this is a string of black the lawsuits that we were talking about where White House officials are trying to assert that they had. There are some sort of immunity that the president has the executive privileged and by because he has A. And we're working for him. We all stare for it extends and we avoid and so. This is what John Bolton is sort of looking at to see what happens with with this and the federal charges like would you talking knob. It don't work that out. That is ridiculous. Have you ever read a book. No absolutely not absolutely absolutely not. There is no privilege or immunity. Getting they're getting on the field end. Play the game Direct drug out and play the game Backing my face away from the MIC analysis. Okay I'd upset gates. Yes so then. On December third. The House Intelligence Committee releases a draft report key findings in the impeachment inquiry their conclusions. The basic conclusions were one that the president conditioned a White House meeting and military aid to Ukraine on a public announcement of investigations beneficial to his reelection campaign yet the public announcement and stuff like the Republicans. WanNa say like but it didn't actually happen. Oh yeah he didn't actually. He didn't actually do the investigation. Hello it's called attempted. Murder Right attempt can kill you and damage you lived just like what are you talking about. My favorite was like watching like whatever channel happened to be watching it on. They had their paddles of lawyers. And making them come and every time they would like the the hearings would take a break and they will go to the lawyers and whoever the host of the show it'd be like it's not a valid defense lawyers would be like no my like. Can you imagine the number of people who would be so happy. Because they wouldn't be in jail. I have to distribute watch cops because it didn't ended up happening that's insane that's insane Yep attempted They're so mad. I'm like React Watch forensic files my guide. I'm again weirdly not a lawyer but even I know that like if you try to commit a crime and it doesn't work out that doesn't mean you didn't create rhyme right like like like pay to have somebody killed snow. Yeah just because they didn't get killed as a mean it's not a crime to pay to have somebody killed straight. They just don't get tried for the murder part of it right. It's I talked to find attempted. Quid pro quo. Just yelling at producer. Kate now I can't even. I believe that defense. I'm like that be any. It's not a defense based on everything we've established in the court of law. Oh man so. Those are the first inclusion one that the president conditioned a White House meeting and military aid to Ukraine on a public announcement of investigations beneficial to his reelection campaign. Those second part that he obstructed the impeachment inquiry by instructing witnesses to ignore subpoenas. Yeah like that's it. Pick up a newspaper. Yup that's happening all over the Goddamn everywhere. Yeah that's definitely there. Three trump removed ambassador Marie Ivanovich and handpicked agents to help strong strong-arm Ukraine. Yeah Yeah so then. Very importantly the last part of the last parts are which is unrelated to that but a very interesting thing is I was like like Oh this was when this came out I was like ooh Yum. I'm going to eat that. I'm GONNA eat that cupcake. They just gave me because I was to- reet I'm I'm so excited about this part. It is funny sorry. It's so good like this came out and I was like where. When can I see this movie now? Like now hey hey Dan movie. This was a gift so the report also implicated ranking member Devon unions of being contact with several key figures including Rulli. Giuliani any left Parnasse and John Solomon with phone records to all of them. Basically the phone records linking Devon us with these three individuals who have been working for trump. I've been a very much in the mix of this Ukrainian Ukrainian yet scandal. Yeah and Devin. Is You know what I don't remember having phone call. I don't remember how in there like you don't remember having one one two three four five six forty nine phone calls and it's like no. I don't even have a phone. I've never owned a phone. I I can't read. I don't know I. It's like just when Devon got dragged into this I was like Devin of God or of course he's called Rudy Giuliani. Of course he I face is what he's being an asshole shoot. They'RE GONNA they're gonNA find out that I have a phone look at it. He is the face he has the phase of somebody who has made several phone calls to Rudy Giuliani. That is what his whole vibe is has has called Rudy Giuliani. All right. All right December fourth the House Judiciary Committee began. Its first public hearing into the impeachment inquiries who went from the intelligence to the judiciary committee and three legal experts testified. That trump abused his office. These experts were Noah Feldman. WHO's a professor at Harvard? Harvard Law School Pamela. Karlan professor at Stanford Law Michael Gerhardt Professor at University of North Carolina School of law the gop called one witness to assert that there was no wrongdoing. His name was Jonathan Turley and he is a professor at George Washington University School of Law to La La Professors. I did love that. A lot of these law professors were like they kept bringing up the founding fathers. Don't you speak their names. But my boys and Benjamin Franklin would have never allowed this and they are problematic individuals. I you know I am have any a stern talking to with my boys and Benjamin Franklin but don't bring them up here and now they will look at this situation and go what in Jesus going on here. Can we have George. Do you want to go. We'll lend him g you michaeline. Really Great Secretary of Stint Otis literally like I am not getting my hooves in this. This is a mess. This is not what we intended. I love eleven people talk about the founding fathers intentions you have no idea. The volleyballers intentions was not die at forty two and hopefully be able to like drink tea without being taxed right now. Don't don't talk about tensions. Also it's like half of you aren't allowed at the table so you don't talk about You know you don't know what I know is they. They they definitely didn't they didn't want all this they're like you guys. We put it in the constitution. But I think they did. They did want it like they wanted some kind of process so you don't want trump. Oh Yeah. They definitely wanted impeachment. Yay they were untrusting because they WANNA king like they did not want very paranoid trump. They did not want any of that. situate yeah gotTA GOTTA gotTa Washington softspoken with with a head full of wood to just leave them gently gently into that. Good night. I read so good Eh. Oh my God okay tell us what's next. Okay what's next guys okay so literally. This'll probably be come out before this airs. But so what probably has happened. Is the house judiciary. Jerry Committee is expected to drop articles of impeachment. That will need to be voted on by the committee approved articles. They will be voted on individually. So it'll be like like we talked about obstruction of justice article. Quid pro quo article. Whatever other articles that they'll come up with here? There's going to be several those approved articles'll michaels will. They need twenty one votes to pass which is very much expected to happen. And that will be sent to the House for a full vote after that the House of Representatives. It is as the whole will debate in the individual articles of impeachment and then they will vote on each article individually and it will require a simple all majority to pass which will be two thirty three and that is expected to happen because of the majority that the Democrats have the past articles of impeachment will be sent to the the Senate where the trial portion of the impeachment process will begin. So let's talk about that little in that that process process great so the rules of the of the impeachment process in the Senate set the stage. This is what happens at a state. Chief Justice John Roberts of the Supreme Court of the United States will be sworn in to preside over the trial. And you imagine being John Roberts right now I imagine being I mean. I honestly like it's just so bewildering to me that this this this like he's just prepare like he's just preparing to do this. Because it's going to happen happen GonNa Happen. Like I wonder at one point John Roberts was like I should. I should prepare. You know what point in this process. He was like I think. Think I clerked number to give me give me the book. The book on impeachments named Bryan Bryan. Give me the book. Give me the Bucko Okay Eh. Let's take a look at this handbook. You know like like what is he reading right now. Could you imagine the we're know what his prep and he brought up on impeachment. Yeah yeah good idea Saturday. Just bring it over bringing over right or line. Hey not not helpful right good good cab. Just it's crazy it's crazy interests. Yes yes maybe John Chief Justice John Roberts will preside over the trial. The senators editors will be sworn in to act as a jury over them proceedings. Each senator will get one vote of either guilty or not guilty for each article each article. Yep and then the Senate it will issue a writ of summons to the President asking him to respond to the articles by a set date so the Senate trial. Here's what is EXP- you can expect to happen. The the House of Representatives will appoint a team of lawyers from the chamber known as managers to play the role of prosecutors in the Senate. They and the White House defense lawyers will present opening opening statements. The senators may question the senators. who were acting as jury now may question both parties of the witnesses that they bring and they can also so at any point propose a motion to dismiss the charges? Which I'm expecting to happen like sort of like a display as sort of like an act of like but this so this is my question? Wouldn't they just do that in the beginning and then it will happen in the beginning to happen. Yeah it'll be like peacocking moment of like dish should be he didn't and then they have to vote and then it won't happen and then we'll back we'll be back and it won't happen because just listeners won't happen because they won't have the number the numbers got it and then there will be after so questions. Having another thing you'll expect will be an examination of evidence it'll be witnesses and evidence will be. Questioned and cross-examined cross-examined so. We'll probably see the same players that we've saw seen before definitely and it'll be a similar thing of you know a the more a bigger more public hearing and then after all of this has happened. Closing arguments are made what happens. Sort of have to button all of this and this is where I feel like it's not going to happen. A two-thirds vote is required to move the president to remove. The president went from office. Any two thirds vote on one of the articles that has brought will remove the president from office. Does he does not have to be guilty on all just one they. They will vote on each article individually right now the makeup there are fifty three Republicans and technically forty five Democrats plus two independent so forty seven total title on the other side. It would require sixty seven senators to vote to remove president trump so to vote guilty on one of the articles and so that would require twenty Republican senators to vote for the impeachment of President Trump. I feel like this is where we need. Mitt Romney Romney Nick. Come through make could make could come through is a is a whip MS l.. Whip guys this is where if you live in a if you live in purplish state. Call Your senators. This is this is it this will I feel like this will decide reelections for them I and there are. There are Republican senators. Who are who will be in trouble? Yeah and and I do think that we will see. I do not think that it. We'll be my prediction is it will be a full vote on party lines. I do not think all fifty three Republican senators will say not guilty. I I think that there will we some change over. I don't think that there will be enough. I think that what you'll see is that I think you're more likely to see a heavier turn from the Republican Party against trump in an article that talks about Obstruction of the investigation jer. 'cause that's so clear. Yeah it's the courts like A. It's it's clear yeah turn. There's no like well it didn't happen so therefore it's not important you know there's that whole bullshit argument isn't there. That's one where you're like. This is what I'm not gonNA throw my impeachment. Vote to like you did the the The quid pro quo article. But I'll throw it on the you know whatever jerk like that I can see more Republicans during that way but guys that's our update so what we're waiting to sort of see all the Senate handles it it and we will give updates probably throughout that process. It's going to be a lot but yeah all we can say is and I'll end it with this. Call Your senators. Yeah 'cause it's up to them okay but we love you so much and we will see you next Wednesday in school. uh-huh I'm on and I'm racks and we play roller allergic together. Yeah we do but we also host this kick ass podcast called Frau podcast. So Frau is a podcast. 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Trump impeachment advances as US policy collapses into catastrophe
"As you know lives in federal prison now the president's subsequent personal lawyer former New York mayor former US attorney Rudy Giuliani has professed over the the show weeknights at nine eastern on MSNBC thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. The president's personal lawyer Michael Cohen ever got it's streamlined municipal emergency services out of this deal so we will see where this is going the question of whether or not Mayor Giuliani was involved in that scheme for which his buddies have just been arrested according to the Wall Street Journal Tonight prosecutors are also looking at Mayor Giuliani there's in Manhattan are investigating former Mayor Rudy Giuliani for his potential role in the conspiracy that prosecutors charged against his client he's bank records might be a scary place to get lost but the journal does spell out a little bit tonight why Federal Investigators Might WanNa be looking just a guy paid for it for the city the Guy in question is pictured here with President Donald Trump his name is Pavel Fuchs his last name is spelled it at one point tried to negotiate a deal with Donald Trump to put the trump name on a new trump tower in Moscow city would be paying him for this contract the city did not actually pay him for this contract instead the entity that paid him for that contract was just a guy in his associates his dining companions left parnasse and eager freeman those are the two guys who were just indicted last week and doc is now just sending checks to rudy that are disguised as a city contract why why did they do that also do you think the city of Kharkiv News outlets have reported that over the past week or so well tonight the Wall Street Journal Advances that story considerably the Journal reporting that Yes Federal Prosecutor UK s his name has surfaced a whole bunch of times reporting about President trump and the Russia scandal president trump's business and financial links to Russia in part because Mr Fuchs in his business dealings in the nation of Ukraine including his finances his meetings his work for a city mayor there this city's not actually paying him for that it's really him getting paid by this guy who is trying to negotiate a trump tower Moscow deal with donald trump the office that he used to run back in the eighties the federal prosecutor's office in the Southern District of New York reportedly has Mr Giuliani himself under investigation a whole bunch of different where for example they describe a twenty seventeen deal that Mr Giuliani security company did with a city in the pro Russian eastern part of the and it turns out a few years later once trump is president Rudy Giuliani signs a deal that on paper looks like a city is hiring him to do something but the crane city called if it was a contract with the city administration according to the Journal to quote streamline municipal emergency services or his re-election effort something that is illegal as the president is facing basically certain impeachment for that the president's first personal lawyer is already in federal education at Suny according to the Journal it reportedly includes investigators looking at Mr Giuliani's bank records and I imagine Mr Giuliani arrested in an alleged scheme to funnel illegal Russian campaign donations to multiple Republican campaigns and to the president's reelection effort in addition and that's seems normal on its face but the weird thing about the contract that Rudy Giuliani signed up for is that even though this contract was with the city so you would think the city the president's next personal lawyer is himself reportedly under investigation by that same prosecutor's office that put Michael Cohen Prison Rudy Giuliani the president's AH I mean not to put to find a point on it as the president is facing impeachment for something kind of simple right for trying to get a foreign country to help him against the Democrats Resin he's there in part for committing campaign finance felonies that federal prosecutors say the president not only participated in he directed Michael Cohen to commit those felonies who are now indicted for having allegedly funneled illegal Russian money to Republican politicians including the pro-trump SUPERPAC. Mr Giuliani was also reportedly working with the President's campaign chairman on this game who himself is now a federal prisoner Rudy Giuliani consulting with Palmer little lawyer who is reportedly under investigation for a number of different strands of the scheme for which the president is now being impeached he apparently was pursuing his part of this scheme with the help of hi car full of upstanding citizens he was working on this scheme for the president to get help from this foreign country in the next election with the help of our friends love and eager reached and so that looks to be kind of the president's team here this appears to have been president trump's like squad as he was dragged an upper echelon associate of Russian organized crime he's been providing material to Rudy Giuliani for help in this scheme for which the president is now being in art on how they could get Ukraine to cough up to help donald trump and his reelection effort Mr Giuliani has also been using material that he obtained he admits he is fighting extradition he is wanted in the United States on felony charges related to a gigantic multimillion dollar bribery scheme federal prosecutors have called Mr for he obtained from Dmitri for Tash it was a Kremlin connected billionaire currently fighting extradition to the United States he has been arrested he is out on bail having his banking records read through by federal prosecutors last week a senior State Department official Michael Mckinley a senior adviser to Mike Pompeo Pao's behavior Michael McKinley is now scheduled to testify in the impeachment inquiry against President Trump has deposition scheduled for the day after tomorrow aloft this criminal operation for which has now been caught in which Ukraine would help him versus the Democrats and Joe Biden for twenty twenty so obviously president side of this is going great who wouldn't want to be the captain of this team I mean if you have a hard time keeping track of who all had been tapped to the bottom there in jail federal lockup awaiting arraignment later this week in federal court the guys on top well one in the middle is arrested out on bail and Zayn from the department in protest over pump failure to support State Department personnel particularly that Ambassador Marie-yvonne Avik we now know that work on the president's behalf to pull off the scheme for which he's now being impeached for having a hard time keeping track of these guys sort of easy to remember them by their circumstances I mean the guys from people from giving testimony as part of these impeachment proceedings both current officials and former officials but whatever they're trying to stop people from testifying no longer seems to be on Friday of this week we know that part of her area of sort part of it within the Defense Department involved both Russia and Ukraine we don't yet know what at the same time we learned that we also learned that a current Defense Department official Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper has also been scheduled to testify in the impeachment inquiry president trump that's reportedly because she didn't take any documents with her when she quit the National Security Council this summer she quit in July just less than a week before president mm spiteful call with the Ukrainian president that has now led to his impeachment according to The Times today Fiona Hill was expected to confirm that there was a quid pro quo being the money she was the senior official at the National Security Council inside the White House with responsibility for Russia in Ukraine that means she was president trump's top advisor mandate by the trump White House that the Ukrainian government was told by the trump administration they wouldn't get a White House meeting unless they made a commitment for some kind of investigations peyot not only had her fired on the president's orders he did sit there silently while the president threatened her on a call to a foreign leader even though he and his own department knew that she had done nothing today ultimately we know that she did testify we know that the impeachment committees did provide her a subpoena in advance of her testimony it's unclear what exactly was the sequence of Events Leeson opening statement unlike the US special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker She did not hand over any documents from her tenure as a key Ukraine advisor working ambassador Ianovich testimony on Friday would have seemed to have been a key breakthrough on that point early this morning we saw Fiona Hill arrived at the Capitol for her is there when the subpoena arrived if she would have been able to testify without it what exactly that means but she testified unlike Maria Vich Fiona Hill today did not expected to have said today she only emerged from her deposition immediately before I got on the air tonight after ten hours of questioning and another excuse for the administration not to Cooper I'm not done they wouldn't invent another excuse for the administration not to cooperate but here's what Russia in Ukraine she was in that role at the trump national security council one ambassador Ianovich got forced out of her job in April Peter Baker Nicholas Fenn does the extradition the one on the right is already convicted and in prison and the one in the left is under investigation by the US Attorney's office he used to lead he's the one who's currently probably wouldn't like if the American public to hear what was being said behind closed doors you WanNa know what I think about that I think the deposition will eventually be made public but as to what she said today well we have only the barest sets Republicans have complained that these witnesses in the impeached really believe they are darn lucky these weren't public so Fiona Hill testified today we are expecting another the New York Times report today that Fiona Hill expressed strenuous opposition to avant vich being fired they say she considered Ivanovich fire the impeachment inquiries want Laura Cooper to testify about but she reportedly has been called and we know that the White House has been trying to stop all sorts of doc was asked about that today by reporters after he stepped out of the Fiona Hill deposition this evening after she'd been going for hours and hours and hours Denny Heck said that it to be a quote egregious abuse it has been hard to figure out today the extent of the White House efforts to try to block Fiona Hill from this testimony that the administration wanted and we know that what the president wanted investigated was Joe Biden but what we've had a bunch of reporting as to what Fiona Hill was defense official Laura Cooper she mentioned is a new edition she has been interestingly a part of the public face of the administration in assuring Ukraine what can only complaining about the closed door nature of this testimony because they need some excuse to justify the White House and not cooperating with the investigation but inority who is using this as an excuse does your in there shouldn't be a single person standing here who believes for one second that if these were open they wouldn't invest for savings thus far haven't been testifying in public they say they want public testimony they don't like that these things are happening behind closed doors Democratic Congressman Denny I wanted to play you what Congressman Heck said in part because he also suggested that Republicans Might WanNa be careful what they wish for in terms of this testimony becoming public he's suggesting that the we are still waiting to find out what may have happened but may have transpired over the course of those ten hours again as you know it was behind closed doors we expect that wrong it is hard to imagine that Mike Pompeo is gets to stay on as secretary of state in these circumstances well tonight you can add plus one to that because just before getting on the air tonight we learned that recently resigned senior adviser to Mike Pompeo Michael Mckinley the one who reportedly stepped down in protest you've shadowed diplomacy conducted by all of these crooks working with Rudy Giuliani that's all coincidentally or not coming to the surface right now could count on she's now reportedly going to be testifying at the end of this week in the president's impeachment so with all that on this week I think we'll continue to be just hoped this amazing array of true crime all-stars right and because this was him trying to leverage a foreign power into doing this on his behalf he wasn't just just a few minutes the Kurdish fighters the US military was allied with for years inside Syria president trump inexplicably last week told Turkey that we would step away from that the US government were all brought to bear on this illegal scheme to get that country to help the president get reelected and that part while real American foreign policy and defence policy is collapsing into catastrophe we're going to be speaking live with NBC's Richard Engel from northern Syria against Turkey to their next option which is Russia and the Syrian regime which is propped up by the Russian military Russia props up the Syrian in campaign you can't even ask no matter what they give the effort by the president to carry out that scheme though wasn't as simple a matter it turns out to have being with Assad and the Russians instead which leaves nobody fighting Isis anymore at all it also means that. US troops are one of the stranded slash abandoned green matters along with Rudy Giuliani after they hosted Marie Ivanovich he was reportedly involved in basically collecting on the quid pro quo in Ukraine according to Republican Senator Ron as nuts as things have been that set the impeachment of the president at its core remains this simple thing I mean you can't ask a foreign power for assistance with your this help against Democrats for the president's reelection so Laura Cooper having been busy reassuring the Ukrainians that we would always stand by them and that that military aid or something out of the way and allow Turkey to advance them being bracketed by artillery fire means that they have been deliberately targeted by foreign military that supposedly one of our NATO allies ending it he was trying to force them into it it also involves the foreign policy and US defense policy establishment all these elements of the national security apparatus a successful five year long American project to keep the peace on that volatile border and given an unanticipated victory to four American adversaries Russia on their backs on America at the Pentagon officials struggled with the right response if Turkish forces again NATO allies again opened fire on a Qatari of State Mike Pompeo man named Michael McKinley is an expected to testify on Wednesday ambassador Gordon's son blend who was basically sent in to handle the thousand or so Americans were now preparing to retreat from their positions inside Syria those US troops are trapped for now since Turkey has cut off the roads Iran the Syrian government they support and Isis rarely has a presidential decision resulted so immediately and what his own party leaders have described the party's here. US troops in the region have been reportedly pinned down and bracketed by Turkish artillery fire since the president's surprise announcement that US troops our Kurdish allies predictably now as of yesterday have made a formal alliance with somebody else who they can count on more reliably they've turned for support and protection I'm in Turkey was essentially free to come into the territory that our Kurdish allies had been holding so Turkey could take it for their own purposes with US abandoning our allies there president precipitously created while US troops were endanger then maybe we should worry about the US troops that are guarding our live nuclear weapons inside Erkki don't worry though Rick Perry and Mike Pompeo are tasked with figuring out a plan to get all those nuclear weapons safely taken care of Nicole nuclear weapons sitting inside an airbase in their country right if we're going to have to send an airlift to rescue US troops out of a situation that the Johnson is the man who described demanded quid pro quo to him explicitly. Sandra and is expected to testify on Thursday of this week and then on Friday we'll have this senior State Department official George Kent to testify tomorrow we'll have more on that coming up in a few moments in the show the recently resigned in protest senior adviser wins that the US has long stored under American control at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey right now that reckless and bazaar sudden announcement that turned a previously basically peaceful at least stable part of Syria controlled by our allies. I suppose it NATO ally Turkey is shooting artillery rounds at American forces maybe we need to rethink the safety of US keeping fifty of our that we will always stand by them particularly when it comes to military aid military aid we now know is allegedly what the trump White House was withholding to try to leverage from the tator Cheryl Assad the Kurdish fighters who had been our allies fighting against Isis have now left us because we left them there now instead switching sides so their side removing them may require an airlift and in case that's not unnerving enough here's something I completely forgot to panic about as disastrous consequences for American allies and interests he says quote the drama is nowhere near over out of the city the Kurds switched sides on Sunday vowed support with their supply lines cut off with no clear way to retreat without any clear indication of what they're supposed to be doing without any clear indication that the president knew they were into what is now the site of civilian massacres journalists being shot at and everything else now that whole swath of Syria will likely end up being controlled by Assad and Russia. I should mention that Mike Pompeo and repair your both facing subpoenas from the impeachment inquiry right now and you know maybe you wanted troops say that what the president is doing now in total should be seen as more of a danger to Americans international influence than anything in the past seventy years calling president trump quote for dictators the gift that keeps on giving we're going to be speaking with Bill Burns here live tonight also Richard Engel live from you are being withdrawn the Defense Department has announced that president trump has now ordered them all out but we're still not even sure how all that happens with Turkish troops and Turkish supported troops control say quote fast unraveling situation meanwhile a thirty plus year veteran of the Foreign Service William J. Bar Burns has come forward move to send troops deep inside the Syrian territory has an only has an only one week's time turned into a bloody carnage forced the abandonment northern Syria also be watching for the continuing development of lots of these stories that are still rolling tonight stay with us we'll be right back hi I mean there's no serious aside from everything else going wrong here there's a serious question as to the safety of these American troops even while the the key road out of the region the plans for withdrawing US troops or very uncertain this is from David Sanger tonight in the New York Times quote President Trump's acquiescence to Turkey it's not to be in Syria in the first place maybe wanted them brought home now or sometime before now but nobody has ever advocated for what President Trump has done this this of what the president is being pitched for his use of the national security apparatus his use of military aid his use of diplomatic pressure has used quote over the weekend state and Energy Department officials were quietly reviewing plans for evacuating roughly fifty tactical nuclear weapons the US troops stuck there at the site of our abandonment of these allies that are soldiers spent five years working with and supporting and promising to stand by its what the Times described tonight eighty two her want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the Msnbc daily newsletter you'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news in some sort of deal that they will likely work out between themselves in Turkey the president's decision leading to this reckless again bizarre risk to American troops there they are and that they would be at risk if we suddenly green lit the second largest military in NATO coming in and taking over that territory from our allies quote contemptible Mistreatment of Marie Ivanovich the ambassador to Ukraine who was dismissed for getting in the way of the president's scheme to solicit foreign interference in US elections is at the expense of our national interests quote for dictators trump is the gift that keeps on giving a nonstop advertisement for Western self-dealing so much for enlightening just the latest example of president trump's dangerous brand of diplomatic malpractice his is a diplomacy of narcissism bent on advancing private interests news text MSNBC to six eight six six to subscribe well this is direct and to the point quote in my three and a half decades as a US foreign how several days to be bewildered to being absolutely flabbergasted by what are now multiple reports that he's under investigation that the US Attorney Service officer I have never seen an attack on diplomacy as damaging to both the State Department as an institution and our international influence as the one now underway bastard Russia he's got more than thirty years experience in the US foreign service joining us now is ambassador Burns is currently the president of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace He's also the author your influence and reputation may prove to be even longer lasting and harder to repair master William Burns a former deputy secretary of state former US self interest so much for the power of our example so much for our credibility to clean up the institutional wreckage and the State Department will take many years damaged the back channel a memoir of American diplomacy and the case for its renewal Mr Ambassador thank you so much for being here rituals to be with you so this is not very diplomatic you are speaking in very blunt terms yeah no and I didn't write those words lightly either I mean I've seen a lot of highs and lows over three and a half decade says US Foreign Service officer candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera listen for free wherever you get your podcast in that while also facing these very real disasters caused by US misuse of foreign policy power. I mean who is going to do the clean up who is going to be the steady hand it's a mess and it's chaos right now and you're going to see other adversaries and rivals I think tempted to test us because one Christ International Landscape Secretary of State Mike pompeo appears to be quite enmeshed in this and all that has led to the impeachment proceedings against the President I am officers at the National Security Council I wonder if you if you see that testimony as something that required to do and they don't have a choice and it's just part of the job that you've been talking about we're also seeing foreign policy blow up right now under the trump administration not only in terms of the way it's being misused but whatever to a secretary of state for everybody who serves in the foreign service everybody in the State Department to know that he abided that does a lot of damage for at least two reasons I no you expect the leadership of the State Department to stand up for its people in the face of unfair and unfounded accusations and second you have another obligation to the constitution assists oftentimes multiplies as well in there no shortage of places around the world today we could see that as well we're going to speak with Richard Engel live from northern Sierra and just a moment before I speak with them I just served as ambassador served ambassador posts all over the world on Thursday he resigned and according to the Washington Post he resigned in protest about the way secretary of state president said two presidents Alinsky if Ukraine that ambassador that woman she was bad news she's going to go through some things my compounded not allow it to be known for a couple of weeks that he had been that's also a big problem we learned just tonight that a senior advisor to Secretary of State Pompeo Michael McKinley who's a career diplomat very well researched peyot has behaved towards State Department employees through this process we've now learned that he's going to testify as part of these proceedings first of all do you think there's any technical reason that they could wondered if you had any insight that you could share any thoughts that you have on why the president did what he did in that phone call with the president of Turkey we don't know his motivation this is sort of struck me I wasn't even reading it at the time I wasn't I wasn't thinking I didn't even think I was thinking about the impeachment scandal when it finally occurred to me that Mike Pompeo was on the line listening when the impulsive is dismissive of expertise and he doesn't pay attention to consequences whether intended or unintended the Middle East is the land of unintended consequences you know when you have the President United States clearly trying to use public office and the leverage of the United States not to promote the national interest but to promote private political interests block him from testifying if they tried to I think they could try but I think might McKinley like my Sheila Novic is terrific professional and honest honorable persons on that call he professed ignorance about what had happened there and then when we found out that he had not call we know that's one of the things he sat through what does that do or is happening with northern Syria. Whatever happened between president trump and president with this sudden decision this U-TURN obviously it's an ongoing and very dangerous situation Asian there but I wonder what the State Department having a crisis of credibility type of hollowing out there you described the facing a political crisis around this impeachment and the implication of the secretary played can't I can't imagine that this is what he intended to happen including US troops being in grave danger? Do you have any way to help us think about why he did this do you think it does take bravery taking risks does it reflects a sense of decency that sorely lacking right now a lot of the political appointees in this administration correspondent is live in northern Syria tonight where he joins us from on the ground Richard My friend I am happy happy to be talking to you I'm a little bit sorry the honored and impressed and more than a little worried to tell you that Richard Engel NBC News as Chief Foreign Media's do you agree that the ultimate beneficiary of this right now is Russia Syria Iran devices it's quite a force him ambassador William Burns his former and what we're seeing right now it may sound very very complicated with all of these different factions we're talking about the Kurds and the Syrians and the Russians and the Turks awesome so not to handle this carefully and think through what is a very complicated choice to make a huge embarrassment and it's going to cost us a lot of ways but what is actually happening if you break down is fairly simple what happened a few days ago seems like a long time ago was president trump in this phone call pity secretary of state former US ambassador Russia Longtime Foreign Service veteran Sir thank you very true I'll be right back stay with us is a major NATO country Turkey has an enormous army but it is not using its army entirely is also using these Arab militias and the Arab militias are critical to this story because part of these Arab militias these shock troops that have been coming in attacking the Kurds here in northern Syria they include gave Turkey a green light to invade northern Sierra they say they didn't do it president trump is going on and on says he didn't do it the White House issued a statement after the what caused the Kurds to panic that is what caused the Kurds to change sides so in this paddock as atrocities were taking place they reached over and you're there but thank you for doing what you're doing to cover this story to get us up to date in terms of what you know as of tonight well it's good it's good to be with you he's leaving so the Kurds saw shock troops coming in militias backed up by extremists they see the Americans are leaving and they they made the deal they reached out to Assad and said come and help us and right now tonight you're seeing this land grab with the Assad forces made a deal with the Assad government which is backed up by Russia and said come in and help us and as they were making this deal the US I east and Al Qaeda members according to multiple US officials and it was the shock troops as they've been moving through this area killing civilians that is associate with so that's where we are the Americans are stuck between these two colliding forces trying to figure out how they carry out what they call their deliberate trying to take as much territory and the Turks trying to take as much territory so that they can come up with some sort of deal but each have something in their hands too not leave the the their allies behind totally stranded so now they're allies have made the deal with Assad so everyone here saying president trump started this between those two very well armed sides it's a very hard to know on one level they shouldn't come into contact administration to fix this just in the last few hours we hear that Vice President Pence is going to come here on a diplomatic mission and he is going to save the exit they don't want to get into a fight they wanna get themselves safely out of the country in a slow and dignified way but they want to do it when forces in which both the Kurds and US forces are in trouble do you anticipate that actually the Turkish military in the Arab militias that are with each other because both are aligned with Russia Russia as the US is pulling out physically from from this area is the new powerbroker so a day and work out some sort of agreement between now the Kurds and the Syrian government and Turkey so that's that's what happened and that's how it's unfolding phone call saying that US troops pulling back and that the true and that the Turks would be moving in so there's a green light the Turks moved in but as you said earlier this in theory they shouldn't come into conflict because they have both this Russian interests but their long-term interests are are very different Syria wants to regain Berkshire GonNa do just what investor Yvonne as ambassador Yvonna Vich testifies as we expect Mr McKinley testify on a hill testifying today she's an ex intelligence arve out an autonomous zone where I am right now so serious long-term goal is to regain control of all of its territory Kurdish areas included and the the the the the the Turk moved in with this brutal force that I think really shocked a lot of people and now there is potentially some effort from the his between Syria and Turkey or do you feel like between the Syrian and Russian side and the Turkish side they'll actually negotiate something that prevents a war and we are seeing the map that the the the lines in the sand the map of the Middle East redrawn as we speak and Richard so in terms of those two on March troll of all of its territory Syria lost control of this region because of the civil war and then because the Kurds were helping the Americans and the Kurds manager doing a service to the world not using a terrorist aligned militia to carry out atrocities against the Kurds they said they are doing a service to the world by fighting with them and the Syrian army with the Russian forces that are backing them up the film will actually come into military conflict in terms of trying to figure out where the border Kurds of said fine we'll do that we'll go along with the program just don't let these Turkish militias carry out ethnic cleansing and genocide against US Turkey however more remembered than Kemal Ataturk he wants to be the person who conquered a new province for his country and regain autumn in glory the former top advisor on Russia and Ukraine to President Trump Fiona hill answered questions on Capitol Hill today for more than ten hours allowing Syrian refugees to go back to their own homeland so we'll they're both their mutual lyons with Russia keep them has a different agenda you have president aired on who effectively wants to become the leader of Turkey he wants his name to be more his hill did not release a public statement but she reportedly had high praise for the former US ambassador to Ukraine who was fired by the president earlier this year go home and say that he's a hero is a national leader and he got rid of the refugee problem and that's the way Turkey is selling this they're selling this around the world as their meant Ukraine to investigate corruption which was seen as code for investigating Democrats in other words The New York Times reported in advance of her testimony that hill buffer little piece and to put about one to three million Syrian refugees in the pocket that captures and therefore heir John would be able to would confirm that the trump White House made it a quid pro quo that they could not get a White House invitation for his Alinsky unless he went along with this scheme for election help in northern Syria tonight Richard stay safe thank you my friend for being with US I really appreciate it all right we got more to get to tonight stay with US foreign policy in Ukraine there was an official foreign policy which was attempting to counter corruption in Ukraine and then there was Rudy Giuliani keble thorough and authoritative witness who had truly amazing powers of recall of particular events in particular meetings she's three in US history for not allowed at this point to talk about the substance of Dr Hills remarks we'll tell you she was a remark is a distinguished and impressive public servant she also happens to be a resident of Maryland Congressional district which is even better as testimony quote made her opinions known about Ambassador Marie Ivanovich removal now in advance of her testimony as she was heading into that testimony today and Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland came out of Fiona Hill's testimony tonight and said that Fiona Hill and Ambassador Maria Vich will be remembered as the heroes of this story and anything that she talked about but Rudy Giuliani has clearly been a leading force for the administration in defining a shadow for I'm fighting right now in the short term perhaps but long-term they both have very different interests at your dangle. NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent Live for us at O dark thirty well Hell The New York Times reported that hill would confirm that the administration leveraged a White House invitation for Ukraine's president in exchange for but she she is a very powerful ineffective witness who has a lot to contribute to this investigation I'm not going to get and you know the gang that couldn't shoot straight who worked for him who were involved precisely in connecting with corruption in Ukraine in and promoting corruption and Ukraine so you had to foreign policies that were working completely against each other everything that we've learned up to now about reportedly because she was in the way of his plan to leverage Ukraine into helping his re-election effort against the Democrats a CNN source said tonight that Fiona Hill Baganda conspiracy theory and organized political hit job on her and she her reputation the recall of Ambassador Ianovich suggests that she was treated in an absolutely shameless and scandalous way she was the victim of it'll be resurrected and ambassador Ivanovich will prove to be a hero in this process as will Dr Fiona help it's turned over to Congress by the State Department inspector general last week included emails from George Kent where he pushed back against Rudy Giuliani and the president's can stay with us last week this ads started appearing on facebook it says breaking news Mark Zuckerberg and face well tomorrow a new deposition is scheduled for men named George Kent He is a current high level State Department official with responsibility for Ukraine Policy Document show up an offer testimony that is expected to be deeply unhelpful to the president and to increasingly members of his cabinet as this unfolds union prosecutors do not prosecute list George Kennan this email calls that idea quote complete poppycock so it seems like George Book just endorsed Donald Trump for reelection you're probably shocked and you might be thinking how could this possibly be true well it's not that face eight of the fake news driven smear out of Ukraine the fake news driven smear was what Giuliani and trump were trying to leverage Ukraine to do in is fine with them doesn't matter that letter interestingly was signed by Katie her bath public policy director for global elections at facebook Baresi theories in real time you can see George Kent doing that in e mails like this one a rundown for other State Department officials of the quote daily updates one of those inside the State Department again a veteran career official who was not going along with what they were trying to do with Ukraine barring any late changes sorry and gray and ran correct the wrongs he sees that were imposed on his country after World War One so turkeys objective is to car William Times it was totally false but facebook refused to take it down they
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"Subscribe to our podcast to get hot topics delivered every afternoon. And while you're at it rate us and labor review starts live Dave right now losing a legend as the world reacts to the shocking death of NBA superstar. Kobe Kobe Bryant the CO host. Look back at the legacy he left behind and the view is honoring International Holocaust remembrance. Lebron's Day by sharing the powerful story of two survivors and the incredible gift. They've given to thousands of children. The House of hot xanax is in session with joy. Behar sunny hostile and Meghan McCain. Now let's let's get started one. A lot of people are still trying to process process the loss of NBA superstar. Kobe Bryant who was killed yesterday in a helicopter crash along with eight others including his thirteen year old daughter Gina fans have tributes outside the staples center in La and moons of expressing their heartbreak on social media. Are you know it's when people say you know you have to live each day to the fullest. This this is what they mean. Where were you when you heard you know I got it on my phone or am I want something and it was like what and then turn the TV on and they weren't saying right away they were saying that happened to him so it just was only forty one years old? A little girl is there. Were other kids on the plane. It's just the terrible thing it's just terrible. What can you say about it? He was a nice guy. A real sweetheart. We had him on the show show. I was As whoopie you know I spend every weekend with my daughter's basketball team because she plays a you and we were stunned and she took it particularly difficult. She's a thirteen year old girl basketball player and she knew about gee-gee and I think the whole team and we were just. We couldn't process it. I don't think anyone could really process it what I loved about Kobe. Not only was he lovely when he was here and He was such a proponent for girls and sports and Women in sports and I it just meant a lot to have an former. NBA Player saying staying. Girls can do it too you know. He also stood up for gays on twitter in two thousand thirteen. He chastise one of his own fans who who's gay as some economy pejorative Insult you know using your gay as a way to put someone down A. He said he was on the right side of the issues. Says it's a big loss. This is an American icon. Obviously and that what has been getting me in particular has all the videos of how would incredible basketball player. His daughter was and there's one clip in particular regular them talking and he's giving her pointers about a basketball game. And she answers and he smiles because she's clearly answering it correctly. She was obviously a child prodigy. Or just by osmosis got got the talent Ushered from her dad and it just seems like a particular tragedy he signed interview with Jimmy. Kimmel where someone said to him. You need to have a son to take on your legacy. And he's like she's got it so it's particularly tragic. I and a lot of different ways and I just you know his wife Vanessa my God. Let's just pray for her and her family. I can't can't even fathom what she's going through right now. I have to tell you my grandson. Who is born with the basketball and his hand fell madly in love with Kobe when he was too so that was always his when he met him the first time he would not speak to him? He wouldn't look at him he wouldn't speak to him and he just was. Yeah and we say what you wanted to to no no no no no. So you know He. He didn't start talking to him until he was four or five. And so he's been part of my family You know for a very long time and you know he was here as as we said on the view in two thousand eighteen and he was surprising two brothers named Bryson and brock who are raising money for an epilepsy. Charity called Jacks helping hand and by auctioning off signed sports memorabilia. Take a look yeah. It's a belief that we all have a responsibility responsibility to each other to help. One is fundamental belief if you have the opportunity to do. That is our responsibility as people to help one another. That's simple as that. The there is no way to talk about it except except to say that our hearts with the families of all the folks who lost loved ones on that in that accident. You know that's in our hearts and prayers are with them so we're going to move from that to this on Saturday. You know who's defense team. It took to the floor of the Senate to begin their arguments for why they say Democrats. That don't have a case for impeachment. Tegla she's basically walk around telling everybody he's going to get impeached. Just wait for her to it. Take her up so former national security adviser John Bolton in in an except from his upcoming book was apparently leaked which was apparently leaked to the New York Times. He's claiming he was in the room when you know who he said. He wanted to withhold security money from the Ukraine until they agreed to dig up dirt on the Bible's He's first person witness. Apparently yeah don't they need to get him on the stand. Well they keep begging for saying. Where's the first direct witness? They have mulvaney on television saying it was quid pro quo. And now they have Bolton saying it and they had Sun'll saying is going to believe those three or the man who to this day has told sixteen thous two hundred lies. Wow which one are you going to believe you've and we just showed that clip of Parnis who who trump also who says he doesn't know but when you have the the lawyers the Senate trial lawyers for trump saying there's first hand account no witness. Well I question whether or not the White House those lawyers knew what Bolton they did that somebody new in the White House. Bolton's Simon and Schuster sent the book to the White House which means those lawyers material omission in front of the Senate of material omission Russian in front of the Senate so that is an ethical problem for those lawyers and that's a legal problem for those ladies first of all and second of all. Doesn't that beg the question. Then you have to have those witnesses Mrs Right because now there's a material issue fact they've put it out there so you have one side saying there are no firsthand witnesses and you have the Democrats saying yeah we we do. You have some witnesses but not first hand witnesses because you prevented those witnesses from being here. It seems to me at this point. There's no question that we're gonNA hear from Bolton no question about it I think the title of his book is stupid. It's bad wells. Miranda should get royalties in the room where it happened it's not mine referencing which again I I think when Manuel Miranda should get money for him copying his title look it seems very Interesting that he's monitoring this so quickly that the moment it leaks The web page where you can buy. His book goes up immediately on Amazon his publishers. PUT IT UP I don't know what's happening here. I don't believe that someone like embassador Bolton who's a political animal for many many administrations automatically wakes up in has a conscience. I've said that before the show I just don't believe 'em to agree with that. Data got conscience. I think he's doing it because his pissed well he's started. He's the one that said fire. Something is wrong. This is what happened and everybody took it from there. So I think he'd be supposed to rendezvous that he will go for the witnesses and Susan Collins. We can't trust for as far as we can throw her said. I've always said that I was likely to vote. To call witnesses. Justice One thousand nine hundred ninety nine Clinton trial. The reports about John Bolton's built strengthened strengthen the case for witnesses and have prompted a number of conversations among my colleagues. Yeah you know. It's not quite there but they seem to be moving in that direction. We'll say it seems like this John. Bolton I've failed lit the fire. He lit the fire and said okay. You deal with this deal with the so we'll see what happens. But we'll be back. Condemn hot might secretary of State Mike pompeo lashes out at an NPR reporter reporter after a tense interview. But is he the one who frost the line this week. Fire the political view. He's in the center of it all all defending the president during the impeachment trial now. Alan Dershowitz is year. And just look who's come into voice. Their View Reverend Simmons and his wife just eating Ilana Glazer to Djamil Tommy. Davidson and Michael. Simon is cooking up trees at headed the big game come all by it and plus he won big on the mask singer. Now Wayne Brady is here and performing an encore if all this week on the view on. ABC Still Ahead. The view is honoring International Holocaust remembrance. Day when two use survivors share their heart wrenching journey of finding hope through the horror. Welcome back Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo how was that a loss for words when he was asked about firing of Ukrainian ambassador in an interview with NPR. Our reporter. Mary Louise Kelley Watch the clip. I have defended every State Department official. We've built a great team. The team that works around the world. I've defended every single person on this team I've done. What's right for every remarks where you have defended Marie-yvonne uh-huh I'm going to say today? Thank you so now afterwards. Kelly claims palm peyot berated. Her demanding that she point out Ukraine on the map but she's another example of the unhinged media. News media. Did she sounded unhinged. She didn't sound unhinged. But maybe you know maybe I miss understood. I mean does he still have credibility with the meeting up because somebody will say we'll did this happen to say no. I never happened and then like the next day and they said well actually did happen. So and so is this a surprise and are you surprised that he wanted her to point point out Ukraine on a map but she easily did by the way. Yeah yeah although he they issued a statement on a State Department letterhead her head and he says at the very end something like by the way. You Know Bangla. Ukraine is not Bangladesh. Sort of implying. I think he's implying somehow. Somehow that when she pointed to the Mat she pointed to Bangladesh. And and she's got a degree from Cambridge and European studies and also a degree from Harvard in government and French French studies. I believe and so you know Bangladesh is like here. Crane is like here so I think it's unlikely that that that happened but it just sort of shows was it. He's like the secretary of Petty. And I just I just think that if he's supposed to be the chief diplomat rerating being a woman journalist in that way and then issuing it on State Department letterhead it takes into a it feels like the administration is loaded with bulliest. He's another one with a short fuse. This guy bar is a bully. He's a bully pompeo's a bully trump himself as a BA- it's like an organized crime organization. Yeah it's like when you listen to the tapes of what he's saying take her out. He's talking to von of it. Sounds like John Gotti okay. He it doesn't sound like the president of the United States. Well there's a pattern right now of people walking out of NPR interviews news. Because remember we talked on the show. Adam driver did it because something he asked not to be played on. NPR was played so this is now the second notable person that's walking out of NPR. So I don't know what's going one on over at NPR. I will say if you still go into an interview and you're someone like my pump. Ao and you say this. I want to talk about that. I WanNa talk about this and you agree ahead of time and that journalist just brakes the agreement. I can understand how you would get frustrated. I didn't think he sounded that angry. Either apparently later to a back room to another room and got into a fight. That's taking Tillis as well but I I will say that the breakdown between the trust between the media and the White House right now I think is because of this because you have journalists reporting off the record information all the time and they don't know with this because she apparently has all of the texts between them say. It's a huge. Yeah Yeah sorry that I think she's got the I think she's got the thing but you know and I have to say. NPR is the last place be concerned. Now there are times when people ask ask questions you don't want them to and you have every right but I think NPR as a as a network is kind of like PBS. To me. I I think this is showing the spread of people being disrespectful. But I do think he's not telling the two because you went into something mothra adage when you play dumb with our last year. When she asked about the call was landscape he said call never happened? He was on the goal. Yeah yes so is kind of shocking in a funny way it's also interesting. How else can you hold these people accountable? You finally have one of the players in your site and you have to ask him the question that he doesn't want to answer journalists do but I think we're supposed to be unbiased in their questioning and if you already have an opinion that he's a piece of crap and he's warble and he's we don't know the bay was interviewing I think she's the Co host writings considered a very the leader of brand new view. Your deal that'll up your kitchen game steve. Well the back. Some Democratic candidates reaching way outside of their base may people to judge appeared at a Fox. News townhall townhall as did Andrew Yang. He interviewed there and they're urging the DNC to let Fox News House Democratic Debate. Is this a good move. You don't think so. They don't think so. Yeah but how are they going to get actual facts and information. They're getting fed propaganda over there. I watched it a little bit during the last impeachment. They leave major hunks out. I read some weather Fox and friends. I think it was them. Said you don't have to watch it. It's too boring. We'll tell you what happened. Really really they have no respect for their review is apparently. Don't face Jason. I think it's actually smart. I think it's a smart move Ezra Klein in the New York Times was fabulous piece called why Democrats still have to appeal to the center and why Republicans don't and you know the the the tent. The Democratic Tent is a large one Democrats have to appeal. Not only you too liberals not only to a very diverse base but they have to also appealed to sort of a middle of middle to write base where the Republicans really only have to appeal to one particular sort of homogeneous space. You know they they start this week to the wire all the time. It's sort of a rural why why Christian base and that hasn't changed at a really long time I think. And so if you're smart if you're a Democrat and you want to enlarge your base you go on on a Fox News and and you and you don't preach to the choir and so I think it's I think it's a pretty brilliant move if you want to expand the base Bernie did it in a town hall which I was always surprised out but gave him respect to do look Fox has huge viewership. The average Prime time is two point five seven million CNN little under a million. There's a huge gap between how how many people are watching one network that another. I think you should do with what. President Obama did which was say. I'm not here to represent Red America. Blue America I'm here to represent the United States of America and the president is going to be the leader of the entire country and again. You're smart which I believe. Some of these candidates are think you understand that. There's a bunch of swings dates a bunch of district trek specifically in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. We have Obama voter Obama voter and then a trump voter and that trump voter may not like him not like what he's done so far and be open to voting for especially Ashley somebody like Bernie Sanders who. There's an argument to be made these the inverse of president trump. And I think you have to reach out to places and go places that are uncomfortable whether you like it or not. If you want to end by the way Obama Mama One. Yeah just in case. We forgot twice waiting the two survivors who lived through one of the most shameful chapters recorded history and they took my father uh young boys. They told them to to dig their own graves brother. My older brother and my father was buried up up next. The View Honors International Holocaust Remembrance Day with survivors who turned their past nightmare into a powerful message of hope for future generations. honoration when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's that's why you need indeed dot Com post. A job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard and when you need to hire fast accelerate accelerate your results with sponsor jobs new users can try for free at indeed dot com slash view. That's indeed dot com slash view terms conditions and quality standards words apply offer valid through March. Thirty first twenty twenty. Hey everyone is. ABC's Paula Farris. I'm the host of journeys of faith as you know all too well. We are in an election year so on this season. We're talking to twenty twenty presidential candidates and other political figures about how their faith and religion influence their person and and their politics. Before you tell me about your religion for show it to me and how you treat other people you can call God by many different names but we are worshiping the same God though checkout journeys the faith wherever you're listening now it's international Holocaust Remembrance Day honoring the six million Jews and millions of other victims brutally murdered by Germany's Nazi party. It's vital that we never forget one of the darkest chapters in the world's history and the survivors. I who found their way out of a living. Hell take a look. My name is Millie Baron and I am a Holocaust survivor. My name is Michael and I am a Holocaust survivor. I was born in the town or HSINA. I had a wonderful childhood and killed nine. Hundred forty one war broke out and the Germans occupied Poland. We heard mb knew about about the HBO but he was doing in Germany but to see it with your own Isis. A very big difference and they took my father young young boys and they took them to work. They told them to to Deka their own graves. They shot them a couple of miles behind in the town. Probably a lot were still alive but they put the earth on top of them and we never saw them again in the same town down. A young man named mill experienced similar horace. When the Nazis came for his handling my brother? My older brother and my father was buried over there. The Nazis ordered the roundup of millions of Jews and forced them into ghettos sealed off with barbed wire and armed guards. Those who could not not work the sick the elderly and the children were shot or sent to death camps. They killed my sister they get though a beautiful young lady of nineteen eighteen years. My little beautiful sister had my younger brother. Abraham they killed. My mother remarried that life and she was taking to various slave camps. I realized that my struggle and Alba Myself Old Alot. Hello I decided. It's not a place for me and together at age. Nineteen mickle made a daring escape from the ghetto and join the first Ukrainian army to fight against the Nazis million. Her mom were forced into seven different slave labor camps before they were sent to stood off. Concentration Camp Bambi woking eighteen. Th we show mountains of shoes realized immediately that was from the people they they burned in the oval million her mother survived the Nazi concentration camp and a death march and were liberated by Russian forces in nineteen eighteen forty five I lost my other allies. I see oh my relatives rate. That was right but it's thing in the world around the same time. Missiles Army platoon liberated the MEYDANI death camp in Poland. But he can never forget the moment of freeing survivors from his hometown of Osmani. That was at the section empire to after the war. Millie and middle each made their way to the city of lunch and Poland in a chance dancing counter. They realized they were from the same hometown. Event the same school for a couple of years or nine her mmediately captured up. Shit my heart. And that was like his day. Appoint life the cup. Beautiful shielded million mickle fell in love and wasted no time in getting married but it took more than four years before our country would grant them visas. Finally the dreams came true as they sailed into to New York harbor through the miss you. So the torch that's America. That's very mickle. And Millie Lee settled into New York City with no money jobs or knowledge of the English language but they had each other. We are almost seventy five years. He is married have food beautiful children. Three beautiful we have two great great group children and their legacy does not end there. Michael spent his career teaching in New York schools and summer camps. At the young age of ninety five he just retired from New York's Camp Kendra where he taught Jewish culture and the lessons of the Holocaust. People should lose something for the huge. You should ever ever ever happened to any people of that. What's happened to Detroit people at that time for more than five decades mickle emily's powerful stories have left an imprint on thousands of lives including my own reminding us all to stand together gather and speak out against hatred bigotry and intolerance any car? And I'm very happy. I have thousands and thousands of children. You've who I torched who will be nice and kind to each other. The millie daughters route. And join before you. You do your question. I want to say one thing. You may hear people say this didn't happen. This happened. Went this happened. Our grandfathers our great grandfathers fought in World War Two and fought for this democracy. If anyone tells you this did not happen in the world you tell them you know better because people keep saying this didn't happen any did get that straight. Let's start today with that. Guy Absorbs are just heard in the video so that you had to wait over four years before you come into this country happier four and a four and a half years and laced person scam. Yes and you know would some people in this of experiencing that right now in our country. These children are at the border and the That they're not letting people in and it's just tragic to me and to you. I'm sure would you like to speak to that at all naturally so so then television. I couldn't believe it and my heart was aching seeing the children or separated from their parents. I realized who doesn't WANNA come to America the best land in the world the lucky one who can come here in a land of opportunity of freedom to us. It was a dream to get here. Naturally it was worth Tare weight because when we came here I practically kids irked relieved in Brownsville Brooklyn for ten years I love the place my best memories are from there but felt so free walking the streets all kinds of people all racist. We felt we felt at home at night during the day. We've also deprived it of being free so that was for us and Miracle Miracle What happened and then we saw what happened the people who wanted to come to America. Naturally it's a land of of laws. You cannot just come to come in. But I'm sure that the United States will find their way how accommodate people who want want freedom who want life. Yeah we need to protect that. Yeah Young Yeah. Let's hope for the best. Let's hope that this will change. Yes and you're going to stay with us because when it got we're going to go and come right back okay. Holocaust survivors kill Milly Mikhael in recent recent years anti Semitic attacks rose by nearly forty percent There was a stabbing in a rabbi's House. Just here in New York over the Or excuse me over the holidays There's a synagogue shootings. What can we do to make sure the stops and history doesn't repeat itself? Can we do to make these. Stop what can you do to make the Anti Anti Semitism stop everybody. Semitism what can one do. Really and I grew up into twentieth century the twentieth century one of the worst censure ever ever put a Jewish people have all ready for more than two thousand years where in Diaspora L.. Spur up artist. We've felt as children when I could not go to high school to apologize. I could not go to any elementary school in in Poland which was really so. Are you all to religious schools. which does us the basic thing where the Bible wants us all about thou shall not kill detriment? Still there should be bench. A human being with with the predatory attitude toward everyone on earth because the Bible teaches us all the time either strangled lives among you. Behave yourself like we is brother Thou we lived through immense Danes. Don't torture mental physical and everybody else but the worst thing that ever happened happen during the Times after the Holocaust is antisemitism in Poland for grocer there and also we can never forget dose who denied the existence of the Holocaust. Those did not is it. Are People actually all already as a state like Iran on Benchley. They repair themselves for for adviser Holocaust. Denial is also murder. We can and as a teacher. My father who was a teacher his whole life Believes leaves greatly in education as much as possible. Never Forget I never forget speaking out against antisemitism and any kind of racism when it veers Veres its ugly head speak up yes say. This is not acceptable. That's what's very quickly You've been together. Almost seventy five years mickle just retired from teaching. Milly secrets to your longevity. I'll tell you can fall and there was a saying that it it was the same I did everything but I could. What is in my power who see to it that we should have a family and for the family booth worked with educate their children should be educated and all is gone? That was as we think as for coming and your family for being here and sharing the story. Yes we blush today to show that it's not just healthier to cook at home home. It's also a whole lot cheaper and we're making it even more cost effective today. We've partnered with vendors for at least half off kitchen products that will unleash your inner chef. But it's only while supplies laugh so let's get shopping. I this is inspired by my own. HITCHIN DETOX I up swelling or ten piece ceramic. Cookware said this is amazing. 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Ep. 934 - So Somber, So Serious, So Stupid
"Democrats get somber and serious about impeachment. Love Partners Continues His media tour and we check the mail bag. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro. Show in the Ben Shapiro. Show is sponsored by express. VPN Protect Your online privacy today at express VPN dot com slash slash. Ben Impeachment Continues Apace. Yesterday was the big day impeachment. Charges were walked over from the House to the Senate in a somber serious and sober ceremony in it. It was really sort of like watching the coronation of a British monarch. He had a bunch of members of the House. Who Sort of walked? This overthrew an empty chamber very seriously wearing robes is is pretty wild stuff and we were told by the media this is a somber and serious and sober moment. This was not a partisan impeachment each moment in any way that this was just the Democrats standing up for the constitutional duties to which they had sworn oath and Adam Schiff pretending to be somber and sober and serious areas and all of that yesterday in announcing the impeachment of Donald J trump other congresspeople members of the media saying that this was a very sombre serious and sober moment for man who spent two years basically the the pup tent pitched outside the CNN green room claiming that president trump was Russian. CATSPAW here is Adam. Schiff partisan par excellence suggesting really in his manner in behavior sure that he was taking his constitutional duty extraordinarily seriously. This isn't just a hit against trump. This was something that had to be done. House resolution the seven fifty five impeaching impeaching Donald. John Trump president of the United States for high crimes and misdemeanors resolved that President Eh that Donald J trump president of the United States is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following articles of impeachment the exhibited to the United States Senate. Oh the sobriety oh this sombreness and the sadness and the seriousness and all other s words that you can find using source. Basically the media dragged all of them out wolf. Blitzer talked about how SOMBRERO series and sat. All of this was. The media are just mouthpieces for the Democrats at this point and they truly are a now onto the entire media there. There's there's certain members of the media who I think on occasion tried to do the job I will say that the folks over at CNN generally speaking do not Wolf Blitzer and members of the CNN team pretending that this was a serious moment in America after spending years cheerleading for trump's impeachment after spending years pushing the trump Russia collusion stuff after years suggesting the Donald John Trump is the worst person who ever lived there sitting there like. Oh my God. What a serious moment? This is for the country. Yeah I'm GonNa go with these. Are Crocodile Tears. Here's here's Wolf. Blitzer Adam Schiff. The Lead House impeachment manager the chairman of the intelligence really was very somber. Very serious. He read these two articles of impeachment humint abuse of power by the President of the United States obstruction of Congress by the president of the United States repeatedly saying that the President United States engage in high crimes and misdemeanors everybody very much on point here. Everybody understands the sombreness in the seriousness. Sobriety of the way had Nancy Pelosi trying to pretend that she was really somber and serious and sober about all of this. My favorite my favorite actual instance of the Sambre Sierra sober moment was Comma Harris. Kamala Harris. She was doing in an interview with MSNBC and she was on camera before she knew she was on camera. And she's Yukking it up. I mean just laughing out loud and then the camera amorous which is on. She realizes that the red light is on and she puts on her somber serious sober face and goes for it. Twenty four one of our colleagues Casey Hunt who is now with one. Are Those Senators Casey. All right thanks so much. We're here with Senator Kamala Harris who of course former Twenty two thousand presidential candidate. It means there's the asylum series moment these are the most serious charges ever brought the history of our country against president. I'M GONNA cough up along. That's amazing joining showing again. Do it again do it again as great one of our colleagues Casey on who is now with one of those senators Casey all right. Thanks so much we're here with Senator Kamala Harris Who of course a former Twenty twenty presidential candidate. I mean there's On this is a solemn serious moment these are the most serious charges ever brought in the history of our country. GANSTA president the most serious charges ever brought ever really. There's not a single crime alleged in the impeachment papers like not one. But I'm I'm really I just I really. They need US Lord Sedate. We'd stern like all of the s words right. I don't know why they picked us. They could have gone with the could have gone with portentous. Wadey read there plenty of the source items that could have gone with all the experts but that shift from that face from that giant joker grid and that crazy joker left me. I suggested after she. She left the presidential race that maybe she was up for the part of the joker in the next suicide squad but she went from that to. I mean it's it's like walking Phoenix in joker oakar. Who has this bizarre penchant for laughing at inappropriate times right because got natural condition? Kamala Harris can't stop herself. She's like so happy she's grinning. And then she realize the cameras cameras on shows and the Oscar for worse. Congressional actor does to Senator Comma Harris. Everybody so awesome guys we we ought to take the super seriously 'cause super serious crimes are being alleged and it's the allegations that matter as we'll find out in a moment it's not the actual proof it's the allegations that matter because now it's up to the Senate to investigate estimate which is weird since the senators. Were you hold a trial. She normally in the impeachment procedure we hold the investigation house level. And then you hold the trial bill at the Senate level. Now I don't know about you but if you've ever watched like a law and order episode there's a difference between the investigation right. That is the part where the guy played. Lumiere is out there on the streets. Walk in the beat. And then there's the actual trial and that's the part you have Jerry Orbach walking the beat and then you have the power. Sam Waterston actually tries the case and they're two completely different things Sam. Waterston isn't the one walking the gathering all the facts. 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That's ROCK AUTO DOT COM. See all the parts available for your car or truck. Rich Shapiro in there. How did you hear about US box? So they know that we saying okay so as I say. Nancy Pelosi did a crap investigation in the house. They didn't call any of the relevant witnesses when they called the bunch of people who had heard third hand about what's happening in Ukraine and now Nancy Pelosi says well you know really what we're conveying to the Senate is not about. The proof is about the proof. It's about the allegations. Well I understand that the Democrats have decided that allegations are tantamount to proof as soon as you're talking about someone you disagree with that if Brett Cava and there's an allegation made that he participated in a gang rape in eighteen thirty eighty two that this is tantamount proof and therefore Brad Kavanagh should not sit on the Supreme Court. I understand says they're broad. View of how due process works but this is not how to process works. Nancy Pelosi suggests adjusts that that you don't need proof you just need the allegations and now it's up to the Senate to investigate the allegations. No that was up to you lady if you just delayed this thing we we keep hearing. Now to bombshell after bombshell bombshells dropping everywhere. It's like the film. Nineteen seventeen bombshells blowing up right next to the trump administration. Well if you just waited a few weeks you could call witnesses like every single one of the ones who are now calling on the Senate to call which suggests that all of this is a put up job. Nancy Pelosi basically admitting as much yesterday in any case it's not a question of saying what proof it says. What allegations have been made? And that has to be subjected reacted to scrutiny to go forward but it should not be ignored in the context of other events. That have happened that would substantiate stanfield. Some of that. We don't need to prove the allegations are sufficient for us to take seriously the impeachment charges. Again this is like if Jerry Orbach walked into Sam Waterston office US newsletter. I've got an allegation of murders committed. Tim Worsens like awesome. I'M GONNA go. I'd like to go try this thing. Where's your proof and was like well? I think my allegation is enough. Like there's even allegation made nobody don't weapon. I've got a suspect that guy did it. Just call it a gut hunch but I don't really have the proof. WATERSTON would laugh matters Madison. He's at TV lawyer. So even Sam Waterston. TV lawyer knows that if you're going to try a case in the Senate presumably if you're the prosecution which the Democrats are in this particular case then you you should presumably have some proof to back you up. Chuck Schumer however is out there. Saying trump broke the law. Now Schumer is basing this on a general on a Government Accountability Office report that suggests that the trump administration violated the impoundment control act. We discuss this at length yesterday. Tim Henman Control Act of nineteen seventy four which essentially really suggests that. The president of the United States has to spend money that is allocated from legislative branch to the executive branch within a certain specified period of time or issue a special message to Congress explaining why he has not done that the allegation from the GAO is that the trump administration did not explain why they had not sent over the Ukrainian and while the eight eventually did go over the failure to send a message was violation of law. The Democrats are now suggesting that this sort of lawbreaking is exactly why we have to impeach trump weird because the Gao said that the Obama Administration broke the law on a number of occasions. The J. O.. said the Bush administration broke the law on a number of cases in with Obama they said that the Gi that the trump the Obama administration broke the law by shifting around money in order to secure the release of Bo Bergdahl the GAO suggested back in September that the trump administration violated the law by allowing national parks to stay open during the government shutdown right to the GAO suggest that people violate violate the law. The time none of that's impeachable. It's particularly not impeachable in terms of the impoundment control act because there you have an actual statutory remedy that is available for failure to send a special message just to Congress if you hold up if you participate in what is called a delay recission of the of the actual money and it's also true that if challenged in court. They're serious questions as to whether the employment contract applies to foreign aid because the president does have plenary power over hand how to handle foreign policy under the constitution in any case. Chuck Schumer gets others. There's like this is not trivial the Gao the GAO report. This is not trivial except for how trivial five minutes ago when it was Obama. But it's true now it's not for now it's Super Duper pooper-scooper serious according to Chuck Schumer the Gao opinion especially makes clear that the documents we requested in our letter to leader. McConnell are even more needed now than when he requested it last month because president trump simply put broke broke the law he simply put broke the law. Yeah and so did every other administration according to the GAO which has been making these sorts of suggestions for literally years the remedy in this particular Giller case for the quote unquote violation of law would have been for the comptroller general of the United States. Government Obama appointee on a fifteen year term te actually investigate and his own special message. which you didn't so so again? This is trying to play up what they've got it. Listen you you don't go to you. Don't go to war with the army. Wish she had to go to war with the army that you have is done Rumsfeld put wooded and apparently you don't go to Senate trial with impeachment you wish you had you go to Senate trial with the impeachment you actually have and so now you have to backfill all the rationales for impeachment and grasp at any Straw that is available president from for his partisan taking the sitting down. He's not taking this quietly. He's taking this in all caps lock. Trumpian style Oh my gosh. Like please take his phone away from him please. This is not helpful. The reason is not helpful is because the president. You're basically saying listen. Do a full investigation. We're cool. I mean. This is what I suggested throughout the investigation and it turned out right it turned out that if trump had actually fired muller would have probably brought him to impeachment a year earlier but instead trump is sort of fulminating. He's bouncing against the glass box in which the Democrats attempted to to push him. He tweeted out yesterday. All capital letters. The caps lock button got stuck. Ah I just got impeached for making a perfect phone call and I got was this stupid. T. Shirt now. If you'd added that last part we've been actually funny like you should have done that and I think that would make a great great teacher but a t shirt but I just got impeached for making a perfect phone call. The man has a gift for memory. What can you say I I recall when Richard Nixon was in the process of investigation and he tweeted out? Just got impeached for making a per phone. Call it. What in the world? What the the madness the madness now again? None of this is to suggest that the Democrats have the goods. They don't. It is not to suggest that the Democrats actually really are consistent in how they wish to approach this impeachment because they are clearly not for example Joe Biden who is now suggesting that we need witnesses and witnesses and witnesses back in nineteen. Ninety nine is saying we don't need witnesses. The point here is that they stated the witnesses they needed. They said they needed betty. Currie said the needed Vernon Jordan and they said they need Monica Lewinsky and they. They said why they needed them. I'm willing to hear them. Say it all over again. But there weren't very compelling when they said it the first time in my humble opinion. Let me think they're needed. They're not needed so not not betty curry now. Monica not any of the people in the Clinton impeachment were necessary to testify in front of the Senate according to Joe Biden. Now of course this show is on the other foot we need every witness all the witnesses testify and we needed right now. The witness that they are most interested in bringing forth is of course love. Parnes we're going to have partners. Apparently vaunted and trustworthy the witness in just one. It's funny people are saying he's like John Dean. He's like all the members of the Nixon administration back during the Nixon impeachment. move well except for Johnson. Not Being under indictment for falsifying documents and lying. That's exactly true so in other words it's not true like at all we'll get to that in just one second. I let me talk about a fantastic present that you can get for yourself your family this year. It is just phenomenal. I'm talking about a portrait. That is painted of anything. 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Who the hell is loved Parnis? Well he's sort of Ukrainian fixer. Who was going around Ukraine on behalf of Ukrainian oligarchs it's trying to get ambassador? Marie Ivanovich fired. That's according to me. That's going to the Department of Justice. The Southern District of New York has parnes under indictment right now for attempting to funnel money through auto-owners into the US in into congressional elections in order to try and skew the process against US ambassador. Marie Ivanovich on behalf of Ukrainian and oligarch that is according to the actual DOJ indictment papers okay and the DOJ papers are coming from the southern district of New York. Which of course is the same southern district of New York which was investigating the whole Michael? Cohen thanks this is not like trump's. DOJ William Bar trying to go after people to silence at that. That's not what this is it. All right love harness is in all likelihood guilty as sin and and was accused of falsifying documents. Process is because of lying in that process. He's accused of a bevy of crimes in that process. While he eager fruman became sort of Rudy Giuliani's Sherpa guides died around Ukraine. Right he would rudy would go to Ukraine in search of information about the crowd strike server. He'd go to Ukraine in search of information about Ukrainian Union election interference and shock of shocks. There's Love Arnesen you go from. Both of them are apparently working on behalf of Ukrainian oligarchs sang's Rudy Rudy. You know we can help you out and you know what we'd love what we would love and we'll let me give you some bad information about this ambassador revanche. You're out here trying to investigate. What was happening in Ukraine? Let me tell you this ambassador. You manage bad lady she's trying to obstruct exactly what you're trying to tell the president to fire her. That's what was really going on now. Love Parnis is being trotted out. He's under indictment. He's on bail out on bail right now. He's being trotted out. And he is appearing on all. The media is a full on media tour in the same way that that Michael Collins and a fawn media tour. He's become a hero of the resistance. Why will he appeared? Appeared on Rachel Maddow the other night and while his Rachel Maddow he suggested this was all top down. That trump was instructing him to dig up dirt on marie-yvonne image that trump was instructing. Him To falsify information about Joe Biden and can and trying to convince left Parnes to act as go-between to the Ukrainian ministration to try and get them to announce investigation into into Joe. uh-huh Biden. Now do you think that he was working for trump or you think that he was playing both sides I the indictment suggests that he certainly not working specifically for trump that he was doing all of this stuff years in advance of trump and now he's laid all at trump's fee because of its trump's fault. It's not his fault or if he was just following orders then. It's all trump the impeached president and now left part. This is just an innocent innocent abroad and Ukraine being caught up in the wily schemes of president trump and Giuliani. Now that's convenient narrative it's very comedian narrative for the Democrats. But it happens not to remotely resemble anything credible right over it. Hot Air and Morris. He has a piece on this. He points out that Matt Ashburn issue believe that part of the motivation to get rid of ambassador. Devante was that she was in the way of an effort to get the government of Ukraine to announce investigations of Joe Biden and harnesses that that was the only motivation. There was no other motivation. Was that Morris he points out no. The pending indictment against partners put his efforts against devante which at least a year earlier on behalf of Ukrainian official. The indictment is absolutely clear on this point. Furthermore last November partners put the effort in April twenty eighteen rather than spring two thousand nineteen so before in other words he was attempting to push trump or push Giuliani on behalf of trump matt. outten bothered ask about the incitement or partners his own previous account when parents claimed that the Biden probe was the only motivation. The Department of Justice never alleged. This had anything to do with an investigation of any other. US person but only intended for the removal of Uganda which for the purposes of one or more officials in the Ukrainian Iranian government at the time the government of Petro Porsche. ANCO but the timing and the specifics APARNA strowman actions tend to corroborate that point far more than they do. Arneses later claimed this had to do with trump's twenty nineteen interest in getting Vladimir's Lewinsky to pursue a biden probe so in other words left Arneses probably lying not only is love Barnett's probably buying. The man is indicted on charges of falsifying documents. Documents and the Democrats are out there like well. He presented us with documents. You mean the guy who's under indictment for falsifying documents gave you documents. I cannot believe this. Wow what are those documents by the way. They're there. Handwritten contemporaneous notes by love Parnis on hotel stationary. So by the way there's no way to check the Meta data to find out when he input this stuff. There's no way to find out whether who's on the phone with Rudy Giuliani. When stuff was happening in other words a guy who's being tried for lying and falsifying documents and acting on behalf of Ukrainian oligarch is claiming that trump made him do do it and the media are just laughing this up lapping stuff up? Well folks in Ukraine no Parnis no firm and are like Nah. I'm not I'm not going to buy this. Stuff of Eddie Prestige. Oh is the foreign minister sort of Ukrainians like I know. I don't believe a word that Parner says. Why would anybody believe a word that APARNA says? Frankly I never will loosen Julia Jill and again. Frankly I don't I don't trust any what he's now saying the assistance which we he's as to what's reviewed each and every year annually at at least twice and a half year at the end of the year. So we knew that this assistance is to review. Sometimes it would be cut because of this political understanding of what is to we. Don Ukraine sometimes being raised which is now observing. Okay so official in Ukraine right foreign minister be concurrent Foreign Minister of Ukraine says. I don't believe a word that harnessing saying and now over here in the United States you've got all the Democrats and their allies in the media but I repeat myself who are out there talking. How credible Arneses? So here's Nancy. Pelosi very serious somber sober Burns hallam person talking about love harnesses unbelievably credible incredibly credible. We should take him super duper pooper scooper seriously. Do you believe that should be a witness at at the trial and it's not believe me would be credible it relates to the documents and the rest of it certainly raises questions. He'd be the witness if what he's testifying to relate to the issue at hand the president's behavior why would he be credible witnesses to the president's behavior when he even in his interviews with MSNBC AND CNN is not saying and so the president said to me he keeps saying. I know the president. Yeah there are some pictures of him with the president. The president's picture the Lada Oughta folks. The question is not whether he's in a picture with trump. The question is whether trump actually instructed permits to do anything and even par is not alleged. That trump directly instructed him to do anything at best aspirant alleges. That Giuliani instructed him to do things which again creates a gap in communication between trump and parnassus. It also creates the question of whether Parnis was told told by Giuliani for example to try and obtain an announcement of an investigation or whether he was told by Giuliani to obtain Abidin investigation and wrote down. All we need is an announcement. I'll have satisfied despite my guy and then no fighter marie-yvonne image rates all. This gets a little bit complicated. Bottom Line is harnesses credible by pretty much any metric and yet the Democrats and the media trying to paint it otherwise. Okay so you've got Anne McCabe. I love this any McCabe who literally lost his pension because he apparently lied to the FBI because he was leaking things to the media media use leaking to the Wall Street Journal About Hillary Clinton and McCabe who now is a hero of the resistance because anybody who opposes trump as a hero of the resistance and again who lost his pension for allegedly allegedly lying about talking to the media is now talking about credibility on CNN a network. That's been two years pushing the Russia stuff. And here's Andrew McCabe saying I believe I believe him I do I believe Parnis. Did they contemporaneous recollection of what he was hearing on a telephone conversation. According to him you could then match that note up to the booking record of proving that he was in fact in the hotel at that time you also compare it to his phone records from the daisy was is there and show how many times he talked already doing during that day. So there's different ways that you could begin to bolster that testimony makes that record speak more. Clearly it's just I'm sorry. Any McCabe who again lacks his own credibility sitting there talking about love partners being a credible witness and presenting documents documents presented by who was accused of falsifying documents. It's just amazing. MSNBC's Nicole Wallace. She is straight out. Says it is a truth teller. He's a truth teller. I love that Nicole. Wallace is saying that you Brian Williams William the serial fabulous. You suggested that he was nearly shot down at Ala Copter over Iraq and also that he landed on the moon with Neil arms the credibility crisis in Dr Media and in a government. Has I mean all time high here. Here's Nicole Wallace trying to talk die. WHO's under indictment for being a liar and we've been looking for John Dean Donald Trump's Richard Nixon? There was never going to be a John Dean but maybe Parnis there's a truth teller that also has that ability to wake these Republican Publican senators up and say you know what the truth will be known. Where do I want to come down? When history tells that story the truth will be known through people like live pardons So let's hear directly from opponents. was doing his media tour and yesterday he believe I believe he's on CNN with Anderson Cooper and he started talking about what a rough life he has left part series talking about how there are threats upon his wife. There's the rock till this day. There's still not recovered. And the I don't know when they will no doubt they felt this pressure. This was was a Oh my God of course absolutely essential threat to the survival. The main reason my life was threatened because of that and then he needs it. Why won't they call me as a witness? They need to call me as a witness. Why won't they call me as witness because because her nightman for lying midnight would that be something? Why should the because you are wildly attempting to spin so that maybe you can be offered some sort of plea bargain Argon? May maybe because of that because you have a series of conflicting interests but apparently according to life partners they should call him as a witness because he knows all of the things all of the things. If you really look at it I should be their best witness. I should be their number one witness because I'm the one they got all the dirt supposedly. Why aren't they calling me to the testify? Why do they need Biden? Call me ask me what by the gender afraid of Choline. I think they're very framing. I think they're afraid of me because I think they made a mistake by you. Know trying to Do what they did to me Kate. First of all do needs a haircut. Second of Aw Anderson Cooper sitting there and very solemnly soberly saying to harness. You think they're afraid of you. Do I love that Lamelo parts. Why do they need to call eight hundred nine? Why can't they just call me? Well first of all even even if you knew stuff about Hunter Biden Hundred Biden the personnel call since he's the subject of the inquiry when it comes to his activities in Ukraine. Just going to point that out. But it's amazing how the media are taking taking this guy seriously. Ajay ripped on CNN earlier. I said there are exceptions in the media to the rule that CNN is very bad. Jake tapper does some good work on CNN for shore now full disclosure. I know Jake I liked. I think takes good guy but jake tapper yesterday. He says the correct thing. He says why we disagree politically. Obviously Jake says why exactly are we taking part of seriously luggage Jake. Tapper still has enough of a prefrontal CORTEX would be like. I'm guys really this this one or this guy seriously him hammer. We can't ignore parts has a serious credibility problem. He's under indictment for campaign finance charges. The Foreign Minister of Ukraine told C. N. N.'s. Christiane Amanpour. That he doesn't entrust word Arneses saying and yet I see people out there and Social Media Democrats acting as if this guy is the second coming of Theodore Roosevelt. Correct Jake Tapper hitting the nail on the head. This is exactly right now. The big problem for the trump administration is that because trump is so unpredictable and because he's so bad with his comms team and he is alleged to be frank about this news very often. His comms team is out there. Unwilling to say things because they just don't know what trump is going to say next. Trump does not communicate with his COMMS team. He does not communicate with the people in communications. He does not tell them. mm-hmm what the actual story is. They can go and defend the story instead he sort of throws them out there on TV and then he watches TV to see how loyal they are to him and then he may undercut their story. The very next day as you end up with awkward situations like this where Kellyanne Conway is being asked about life partners. And she's asked directly like several times is left partners line and Kellyanne Conway refuses to say that the parents lineup. People are taking this as the reason. She won't say that he's lying is because she knows that he's not wine in reality. Take Take my word for it in reality. -ality what's really happening here is that she does not know whether left harnesses saying anything that is true or false and she's very much afraid that she's going to sail up harnesses lying about something and then trump two seconds translators gonna come out and contradict her 'cause he's not actually coordinating with his own comrades team. So this is not coming from a place of Kellyanne. Conway knows the love harnesses telling the truth. This comes from a place of Kellyanne. Conway has no idea whether weather length parts is telling the truth just like anybody else on planet earth except presumably for president trump. Juliani say here's Kellyanne Conway the meteorology miss out is proof that the trump administration knows always full. Well that love partners is a truth teller. That's not what this clip is. What is the White House's position and his allegations that are now public but remember people go on TV or never under oath? This is someone who hadn't come forward and his own volition. Are you saying flat out a one hundred percent would he. Alleges is not true yes life partners says take into the court of law and he says the president knew all of my moves. Is he lying or not Kellyanne. Well he's a proven liar. He's he's been indicted. Is that statement. True or false trump knew what was going on how in other words what is that part is actually saying he saying the president a new all of my moods late so again. This is being tried out as proof it Kellyanne Conway won't say that straight out that he's lying she doesn't orders line Kellyanne. Conway has no idea whether he's lying as what happened in that clip the meter saying well. That's because the White House refuses to just say that love arneses lying. Well No. It's because trump doesn't communicate with his statement five seconds from trump will come out and just say that love Harnesses Aligarh. Some sort of presser. 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We are the largest fastest growing concern. PODCAST and radio show in the nation in and trump did have one word when it came to the media asking him about life partners. Yesterday he was at the White House and Jim Acosta and ladies find you somebody who loves you like JIM ACOSTA LOVES JIM ACOSTA OVER OVER AT CNN. Jim Acosta start shouting at him. You start shouting at him from the back and trump tweets a Kosta with the disdains which we have all become accustomed here ago. I had a conversation that I remember with him. When he circulated taking calls quiet? Just have to take take a look at the Patriots Day is the Nick had this unfortunate habit of trying to talk over President and trump and trump shut him down. Of course. This is a sign of the war on the media by the way the media are very upset. Today it's a war on the media among Republicans very upset at Martha mcsally Sally who liked the senator from Arizona. Yesterday as I said on the show she called montage whose reporter for CNN A liberal hack now Monroe Zhou. I've seen his reporting and I actually don't think think that he is one of the more hawkish CNN reporters. So I think that you know Martha mcsally was either ticked off in the moment at CNN. Generally or she was attempting to play a political game whereby tax reporter in. This is popular with the Republican base. Obviously the media went nuts over this. Here's Mark Sally Calling Maharashtra. Hack Settlement Sally to the Senate consider new evidence as part of the impeachment trial here liberal. Hack I'm not talking to you. You're not gonNA comment. It's okay and then and then man rows of course. I talked about this on twitter and all the rest of it. Martha mcsally was on was on Laura Ingraham show last night and just pointing out that. CNN is in fact a liberal hack network. If she said that I'd it'd be defending her like four square today because that that is a fact of life K.. CNN is a left network and honestly you're not proving your objective. Chris Cuomo and your network is objective when you then go on air and you start Berating Martha mcsally as though somebody just called you radio and let me tell. He's not afraid of no one ever used the word Prato to describe Chris. CUOMO ALMO- Prado is like the n word for Italians. That's what Chris Cuomo has said. So here's not Fredo explaining why. It's very bad to say mean things to reporters. That's it was so upsetting about Mc Sally today this is a woman with a record of service to this country and she really acted like a punk today. She did a disservice to herself and the seat that she holds which is John McCain. When she wasn't even elected she's she lost like a thorough fluke? Like some would say trump won. But that's old show Manu. Raju is not a liberal hack. He is a very well respected seasoned reporter asking a legitimate question that she couldn't answer it if is she can't stand the heat. Then get out of the appointed kitchen. I mean that sort of ice on CNN. That's what she's talking about. Okay really should've been directing Harare toward Chris. Cuomo Don Lemon the twin pillars of dumb over over at CNN. I will also points out that. Ilhan Omar has treated Maharaja with nothing but disdain whenever he asked legit question. This is why by the way I say. I don't think the Monterey is actually a better border so I I think that he's asked him tough questions. Democrats watch mascot tough questions Houlihan. Omar summarily dismissed by Ilhan Omar. I don't remember the I don't remember the media declaring that that she was acting like a punk. Do you remember that. I don't remember that I remember Chris Cuomo or down. Just choose acting like a Pumpkin. This particular exchange this this morning said the president traffic. What is wrong with you question about your tweet? You had a tweet saying the president traffic and Hate I. Yes I tweeted. There's a response once you can run that and have a nice day. Get what is wrong with you. Are you serious. What is wrong with you? Shut the pump there. Chris Cuomo or lemon like at all. I get the feeling maybe you guys are the liberal hacks like in the end it's Chris Cuomo and lemon. Who are the liberal hacks in all of this the double standard is absolutely unbelievable? Well I will give points today to one member more of less media upon whom I frequently Rep and make fun of all the time Chris Matthews don't ever say so yesterday. Actually settling tro. He's talking about the witnesses. There's GonNa be called for the Senate in Chris Matthews's run and her rumpled suit. Come to the show and a Roland in here and half drunk but this time as half drunken and words of truth route spilled out of my mouth the tingle ran up my leg and out of my mouth came throat. You said Listen Democrats. They keep saying that they want to call witnesses. Maybe they should call Joe why why. Not Hunter Biden. Chris Matty's doing something unbelievable. Cow Cow Cow. Where do you WANNA ask? Senator Biden just to get a chance to clear himself. Did you ever talk to yourself. What about taking that contract with Berea? Did you have anything to do with them doing. Did you ever tell them not to do it. Did you ever. Did you ever coy ask you to do a favor for these things to be relevant questions agents. It's a it's a total side. Show tyra leaving this whole thing. Is the Republican attempt to smear to buy you have to say where they fairly going after the Maroon fairly going good for Chris Matthews. Wow for the first time. A good for Chris Matthews that is right by the way speaking of Joe Biden. There's a story today. Frank Biden leveraged. His famous name for business gain is a story from ABC News. Funny how the media are starting to notice Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are problematic in the two weeks before Iowa almost all the files are opening up on Elizabeth Warren opponents and Elizabeth. Warren is being promoted. I'M NOT GONNA say that it's a conspiracy because I don't believe even conspiracies Jerem but it's a little weird anyway. ABC News has a story today in two thousand nine. The Year Joe Biden took office as vice president. A local business executive met the politicians younger brother Frank Frank at a starbucks in Palm Beach Gardens Florida and later asked him to become the president in front man for a fledgling charter school venture Frank Biden along real estate developer and the state accepted the offer and over the years. He touted his famous last name. Prominent connections in Washington to help the company a series of charter contracts from local officials in Florida to open charter schools. Earning hundreds of thousands of dollars over a five five year period from the company in the process in media interviews. At the time Franken was unabashed. He called his last name. Quarter tremendous asset because of the family's record of taking care of people who need help and telling people it brought him automatic acceptance as he saw government approvals for the for profit for profit mavericks in education claims of mismanagement will ultimately bogged down many of the school shocking which focused on educating at risk teens troubled backgrounds in at least two separate losses maverick schools faced allegations of inflating enrollment as part of a scheme to garner more government. Funding critics suggest that when Frank Biden touted his family name to promote the Mavericks Charter schools. It was just one example of the Biden family actively benefiting from Sheringham with the vice president. Richard Painter Sir who's a trump critic but former White House ethics for George W Bush told Politico Joe by needs to recognize. It's a problem. You can control your brothers. Can't control your grandson became put some firewalls and plays plays in your own office. Of course job. I never did any of this. Joe Biden Son. Hunter has been called into question for basically being a giant bag man running around the world and just making bags of cash. Ashby's his last name is Biden. And then there's James Biden another one of the president's brothers WHO's fighting a lawsuit in which he stands accused of feigning interest in investing in a medical device company as a ploy Oy to steal the company's business model according to the plaintiffs Biden said during the investment negotiations the firm's quote psychiatric care model would be used by Joe Biden as part of his campaign for President President of the United States. Frank and James and Hunter basically everyone who has last-named Biden using Joe Biden's last name in order to get ahead. Is it worthwhile asking the questions to other. Joe Knew about any of this when it came to hundred Ukraine. You Bet your acid again. Meanwhile the trump team is now appointing. Its its own on defense team and some of the names that you know and love are going to be appearing according to The New York Times you're going to you're going to get of course pat chip alone and Jaysekulow who have obviously been attorneys for president from throughout this process but the team is now going to be expanded to include Ken Starr Robert Ray. Former independent counsel lawyers per person familiar with the plan. The team will also include Alan Dershowitz. who was a guest on a radio program yesterday? A statement from a team spokesman says Professor Dershowitz will present oral arguments at the Senate trial to address the constitutional arguments against impeachment and removal while Professor Dershowitz is nonpartisan when it comes to the constitution. He opposed the impeachment of president. Bill Clinton and voted for Hillary Clinton. He believes the issues at stake. Go to the heart out of our enduring constitution. He's participating in this impeachment trial to defend the integrity of the constitution and to prevent the creation of a dangerous constitutional president so the president is putting together. Gather his all star team Mitch McConnell for his part I think it would be fairly happy with Ken. Starr and Dershowitz. Who are both pros at this? He's going to be a little bit less sanguine about about the president's personal more personal attorneys the CIPOLLONE's in the secular who've had a tendency to Toward shall we say colorful defenses of the President Dershowitz. What's been pretty measured in his defense of the president? Ken Starr is along temper. I am used to watch the media's take on Ken Starr. CNBC had along report this morning. About the appointment can star and they just basically went through resume talked about all the evil that Ken Starr is responsible for. Meanwhile the Democratic prosecutors of this case that people like Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler whether they are just the finest and wisest among us however the fact is that this impeachment in the end is going to know where McConnell is looking to get this done early in and get it done fast. He would you very much to put this thing behind the Republican Party as fast as possible. I think that it's likely to happen. Even the witnesses people are talking about John. Bolton Bolton jumbled n-name testifying the chance that test is very low because the president is going to declare executive privilege that will go to court the Senate is not going to wait around for the court to adjudicate eight. Whether John Bolton's going to trombone goes and testifies he's just going to say what Fiona Hill has aide said. And then when it comes to the executive privilege part. He's going to say well you know that's covered by executive privilege. I can't really talk about that. Saying he wants to. Testify doesn't mean that he's going to violate executive privilege to do so rudy. Giuliani is covered by attorney client privilege in very difficult to call him or compel testimony and the attempt to compel documents. Maybe the additional documents in the Senate unlikely that those documents are deeply damning beyond what we already know so this this means that the Democrats have to turn to their secondary. They're they're sort of secondary defense against trump's reelection and that is they're gonna go after the means of distribution of information thing. Get really rough this year in in podcast land in talk radio. And they're going to activate really activates all of their favorite outlets the media matters of the world in order to go after everybody who disagrees with the Democratic candidates and try and rob them of their clientele and of their base. That's that's their job. Nancy Pelosi is most obvious about this. She's been going after facebook now. If you've been wondering wondering why is it that all of the people in the Democratic Party are very angry facebook but the number angry twitter is because facebook has actually taken a fairly strong stand when it comes to the dissemination of information so facebook has taken the stand that they are not going to allow fact checkers to simply prevent the dissemination of political information on facebook. That if you are an informed citizen then you should see a claim and then you should check check the claim yourself and we have fact. Checkers and more speech is better speech. Nancy Pelosi however would certainly prefer that the tech companies shut down everything. Nancy Pelosi doesn't like which is why they like twitter twitter or has already said they're not gonNA run any political ads because they can't fact check everything so there will be no dissemination of political information. The goal there is of course to lower the number of outlets capable of disseminating getting information and restrict the entire system back to the mainstream media that the Democrats love no and control. Here's Nancy Pelosi ripping on facebook for not adhering to her preferred policy that facebook business model is strictly to make money. They don't care about the impact on children. They don't care about truth they don't care about where this is all coming from from and they have said even if they no it's not true they will print it. I think that they had been very abusive of of the great opportunity. That technology has given them. They had been very irresponsible. And again as you say these are people that we've known and worked with. I think their behavior is shameful. Oh so facebook is shameful but twitter which which does the bidding of Nancy Pelosi is not shameful are getting what's going on here. Folks understand that the rip on facebook policy was an I think many facebook policies are are extremely vague. Hates policy is extremely vague. I think that there's too much wiggle room for facebook to get rid of people that are politically unpalatable to facebook. I've I've sounded off on that before. But their general policy which is that. They're not going to restrict political advertisements that they're not gonNA restrict political speech because Nancy Pelosi wants them to do so. That is correct. That's not going to stop the Democrats this here. This year is going to turn into the Democrats. Basically undermining the foundations of accepting elections and we keep hearing that trump is not going to accept the outcome election. I don't know maybe he won't so what I do know is. The Democrats have refused to accept the outcome of any election. They haven't won for the past couple of decades. George W Bush wins the election. Two thousand novel legitimate president. Donald Trump wins the election of twenty. Any sixteen you heard earlier. Don Lemon suggest not a legitimate president. The Republicans win the gubernatorial seat in George my fifty thousand votes not legitimate and now leading up to twenty twenty when he got Nancy Pelosi and the entire Democratic Party claiming that if Donald Trump wins it's illegitimate because he's preemptively stolen the election unless we beat them. Things are going to get a lot uglier before we election day. Time for a quick thing I like and then we'll get to a couple of things that I hate so things that I like today so I didn't see this in the theater. I'm a big fan of Terminator two. If you you are a sentient human being terminators is one of the top three extra movies of all time. Diehard would be in that mix probably between die hard and terminator two trying to think of another action movie. It really stands up to those two in any case. Terminator Two is a great movie and then they made a bunch of bad movies resume terminator. Three which is unbelievably depressing and they made the Christian Bale one which is most famous for him screaming satellite guy and then they made another terminator movie that nobody has actually seen but apparently exists allegedly while they made a new terminator movie. This year called Terminator Dark Fate and to post a pic off it. Pick up where terminator two left off and the movie is fifteen minutes too long and some of the CGI ingrate but it's definitely definitely enjoyable. It's definitely better than the last few terminator movies. And it's got. Arnold Schwarzenegger is actually fairly like the terminator is a great part for Schwarzenegger. Because he's not a great actor obviously Leeann to him playing a robot playing a human is pretty fantastic so here is a little bit of terminator at Dark Fades trailer which and watch the wife the other night very enjoyable. I really liked it. My name is Sarah Connor. Never seen one like you before almost human I I am human. You care what happens to her because I was her so the movie actually kind of interesting in the they basically make the new terminator the one who's going to come back and kill basically connor again But Not Sarah Connor. They make that that character very much like the killer. Terminator in T- TO ACCEPT A little bit souped up but it's an enjoyable film. I mean I honestly I liked it and it got fairly good reviews having I think the marketing campaign for it was sort of screwed up because the premise of the film was not made clear. Like the character who is played by. Mackenzie I can't remember last last name. She she is. She seems to be a terminator in the film. But she's not actually a tremendous because I don't WanNa give everything away it's worth. The rent is worth a rental so you can go check that out. Okay time for a couple of things things that I hate. Okay so thing number one that I hate. We have to define farewell to our producer Rebecca. Not because we're getting rid of her because she's getting rid of us she dumped us and I gotta say I'm a little bit perturbed about this a little bit miffed about this. But Rebecca's awesome and she's been amazing producer and she's got big opportunities on the horizon that she is leaving to take. I'm super excited for her. And we're going to. We're all GonNa miss her here. Especially because this means that our other producers are gonNA take over for a beckoned. Who the hell knows what's going to happen? We're GONNA find out on Monday but since this is Rebecca's last day I wanNA point out that Rebecca is fantastic and when she is running a major movie studio five years from now. I'm going to be able to say that she wants worked for me. which is pretty awesome so good luck to Rebecca and best wishes obviously okay so I hate that she's leaving? That's why that goes under under things. I hate as opposed things I like. I like Rebecca. That she's leaving okay. Here is another thing that I hate. So the General Assembly passed the equal rights amendment in what the media calling a historic vote. According to The Washington Post both chambers of Virginia's General Assembly passed the equal rights amendment on Wednesday fulfilling a promise that helped Democrats seize control of the legislature and marking a watershed moment in the nearly century long effort to add protections for women to the United States Constitution. Now you don't need protections for women in the United States constitution they can vote they have all the same rights than men do. The equal rights amendment is a poorly worded amendment that specifically opens the door to the idea that there should never be any separate spaces for men and women at all. That's that's what the equal rights amendment does that was the pushback against it in the nineteen seventies who's led by Phyllis Schlafly at the time. She was correct now. The the Democrats denied by the way that this would provide the basis for getting rid of gendered bathrooms for example or Gender Sports. Now they just because of the transgender movement. They openly admit that this is what they would like to see happen. The lopsided votes Captain Emotional Ocean Week in which Democrats celebrated history in the making. The House. Gallery was packed beyond its one hundred and to see capacity with Virginia First Lady Pam Northern and her daughter Aubrey nor them making a rare appearance to bear ear witness. Yara supporters attended from around the country. Many wearing sashes from long ago marches for women's equality. This makes Virginia the thirtieth state to approve prove the amendment but there is one big problem. There's one big problem. The original era had an expiration date. You can't just go around passing amendments that have expired thirty years ago. That's like if the House passed a bill in nineteen seventy nine and the Senate didn't take it up and the Senate today took the bill from Nineteen seventy-nine expiration date in the bill. Read says if this bill is not passed in three years then it is void and the Senate picking up that bill and then passing the bill and calling a past. That is not the way any this works. Okay if the bill in and of itself the amendment which did contain an expiration date saying if this is not enacted within a certain period of time then it becomes irrelevant. You can't just I pass it forty years later and be like. Oh well I guess that thirty eight states have now approved overtime thirty. Because here's the thing that doesn't work about that. That doesn't that gives Virginia Jinya second bite at the Apple. Now but what about states that originally approved do you think they're thirty eight states that are willing to approve the era today if there are thirty eight states willing to approve the era today then why not bring it up in the Senate today half the states that approved the area originally are not going to approve the today because everybody understands the implications of the era now Delaware General Delegates Jennifer Carroll Foy of Prince William the resolutions chief House sponsor introduced the measure with a litany of Virginia civil rights failures including slavery massive resistance to school integration and and the ban on interracial marriage. Because the idea is that these things have not been cured so we need an equal rights amendment to guarantee their cure. Despite the fact that Virginia is no longer segregated that interracial marriage was declared federally legal by the Supreme Court in Loving versus Virginia in I believe nineteen sixty eight and that and that slavery ended in eighteen. Sixty three hundred the emancipation proclamation. Apparently apparently we need the equal rights amendment because Carol Royse said it's Virginia again on the battleground of equality. I think it is right on time for Virginia to finally be on the right side. I wrote a book called the right side of history. The right side of history was written. The title was written mocking the idea that you can simply declare that you are on the right side of history when history three has not yet adjudicated your position. There are very few things where you can say. You're on the right side of history right. You can say about being anti-slavery that was being on the right side of history. You can say that being pro. Capitalism was on the right side of history history. You cannot say that a policy or attempting to enact today is on the right side of history because history hasn't had a chance to sound off you do. Unfortunately the sort of phraseology was used by Barack Obama routinely and it idiot at the time. How you use a phrase is more important than the actual words of the phrase in this phrase used idiotically frequently calling the balloting that was about to take place the vote of a lifetime she asked asked lawmakers? Which side of history do you want to be on? The world is watching your mothers. Your sisters. Your daughter's she's literally a female delegate sitting in the House of delegates a black female email delegates sitting in the house of delegates in Virginia declaring that unless the equal rights amendment is passed women and particularly minority women have somehow been victimized. You'RE GONNA need to explain that one to me. Delegate Vivian. Watts of Fairfax held up a photo of herself and her daughter demonstrating for the era in Washington forty four years ago when her daughter was fourteen. What's it should be? Ancient history forty eighty four. Years is a long time to wait. You're sitting in the House of delegates your please explain to me how women have been greatly victimized by the absence of the IRA women now constitute the majority the of college graduates. They constitute the majority of medical school. Attendees women now constitute. I believe the majority of the workforce. So what exactly are you talking talking about like truly what are we talking about here. And the answer is the equal rights amendment is going to be used as Democrats and left always use legislation as a wedge in order or to force their way into areas that have heretofore been left untouched. This is the way the Democrats they they they push forward vague language and then they say why. Don't you support women why they well. That's vague language. I don't know how you're going to interpret that language. You Might WanNa do this crazy thing in five years and no. We would never want to do that. It's just that you hate women where we saw this with the push for for same sex marriage right that originally started as a reasonable request that government stay out of people's bedrooms and originally okay. I'm alright with that. And then it moved to know what we really want. Is You want the contractual actual ability to get our partners benefits when they die or they get sick and like okay. That sounds reasonable. So you don't want to say the same sex marriages the senate's traditional marriage you just. I just want like civil unions right that okay all right reasonable as well no what we actually want to same sex marriage we want same sex marriage for is clear that we are morally really valuable human beings now. Does it affect your marriage anyway. Does it affect you. Does it affect your church affect your school doesn't affect you in any way if we're able to get the same benefits that you're able to get and the moral imprimatur of the states in approving same sex marriage and a lot of Americans are now one more dicey because we think there's moral difference between traditional heterosexual marriage and same sex marriage significant differences in kind. Hi there because a man in a manner not the same as manner woman but I guess you WanNa make that argument are you. I mean you're right that it doesn't affect my marriage. Obviously it affects the society at large. It affects how how we perceive marriage but it doesn't affect my marriage but you gotta leave our churches and schools loan like nope. Sorry we've relied. Actually we're GONNA come after school. SANDRA CHURCHES WE'RE GONNA move nonprofit status Ashley Better Aerobic. We're going to suggest that we need to get rid of all churches and schools. That don't approve our morality and our and our approved way of life it. This is why the right tends not to approve approve vague language on the part of life because the left is usually usually left is saying they want something that seems innocuous on its face but is deeply not an oculus right that eventually ends up exactly the right said it was going to go. This happens to be the case with the equal rights amendment again. Back in nineteen seventy nine. Phyllis schlafly was like just by the terms. Just by the terms terms of the equal rights amendment there cannot be separate bathrooms and people. Unless I know that's crazy. Of course there can be separate bathrooms. Come on and now. We live in a world where the Obama Administration tried to force without an equal rights amendment tried to force the creation of non gender bathrooms across the country and non gendered locker rooms at high schools across the country. So yes count me very very skeptical. Indeed that the equal rights amendment would simply be another innocuous piece added to the United States Constitution as opposed to a club to be Used in litigation in favor of pushing to social policy without the approval of the American people already. Well it's a Friday. I hope that you stick around for two more hours of additional content lyrics who got a lot it to get to including the mailbag which is why should subscribe can answer your questions in the mail bag but beyond that you should stick around for two additional because we got a lot of great stuff coming up and and you should have a wonderful wonderful weekend if you're not going to do that and if you are going to do that we'll see you here on Monday with all the updates take the week knock off tonight. Take the next couple of days off and we'll see you back here on on Monday. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro. Show if you enjoyed this episode. Don't forget to subscribe. 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