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How To Not Be Scared

How To! With Charles Duhigg

29:14 min | 10 months ago

How To Not Be Scared

"Tell me a little bit like what's the scariest thing that ever happened to you. Well that'll be a conversation for my therapist so you know I mean our fears are there deep their personal things which for me is just more evidence of why we should find opportunities to kind of money electric cars they're normal now learn more at normal now dot com boo I have such a strong physical reaction if I'm spooked or being chased or anything like that a immediately have you written an electric car yet electric cars are normal now they have longer we're back with scary expert Margie Kerr She's not scary herself she's you know what I mean we're talking with our listener Beca a problem tell tell me a little bit about it I am very scared of the stupidest things to be scared of so all of those things and I don't know why this gets me here's the thing all of us get scared sometimes right this is totally natural down and start crying and just can't help it oh my gosh that sounds unpleasant coming up especially when you're inches meaning that they're not just for work can you and there's also more models to choose from now there's electric sedans and SUV's luxury vehicles even electric motorcycles just like data survive a haunted house but mortgage advice it also applies to other kinds of irrational fears like being scared of Heights spiders or of a humidifier grab me that way physically I'm six foot tall so I'm a I'm a big fairly dominant physical person I am bold and strong willed and I understand her fear and fear and your fear and how to live with that fear and maybe even laugh at it at least long enough to enjoy Halloween from they want to know how to fix and today's episode be afraid be very afraid just how to handle that my name is Margie Kerr I may sociologist and author and I study fear after the short break we'll see if margie can help becker are you a scaredy cat in general or is this kind of unusual no no it is it's super unusual so I am not a meek person I don't think anyone would ever in fact just a couple of weeks ago I was staying in a cabin in the woods for the weekend and I put my kids to bed and before I went to bed I looked in the bathroom and a humidifier bathroom or anything else you wish you weren't scared of but you are so Beca can I ask you have you ever been to one hundred house that you've enjoyed do you have any memories as a kid or anytime throughout high school of going to a haunted house and having fun so my tron not exactly like but you know and so you can find the one that fits your life with more affordable models and less routine maintenance electric cars actually help you save it just turn on the humidifier because he thought that was cool but the point is everyone gets scared all the time and so we actually went out and we found an expert to help us get to the bottom of just like this week's lesser my name is Becca and I am from Bradenton Florida so beca you reached out to us because you have had been turned on and there were all these clouds of seen for some reason like I just convinced myself that killer had broken into the house and had turned on the humidifier and he was has been and I went to there was this local thing at our local zoo called zoo it was designed for children that was okay wait until I was in bed to kill me so I went downstairs and I actually got like a knife and I slept with me on the bed stand next to me and the next morning it turned out that my eleven year yeah we couldn't go in all of the houses because some of them were too much what about scary movies did you grow up watching scary movies did until she went to a theme park on Halloween when she was sixteen years old I'm in Florida and so near me Tampa and they have at one of the local theme parks no no scary movies BECA has two brothers who used to spook are a lot when they were kids but she didn't really realize how big a problem this was or how severely she react been likes to go to haunted houses and hasn't been able to for the six years you've been together with him so are you kind of like a meek person else's and the experience of going out and just you know likes to be frightened which I don't understand and one day I was in the closet it doesn't matter like it it still gets me and and and then you met your husband and he loves haunted houses he loves Halloween loves haunted name with a group of friends and I went through one haunted house and begin using my friend who was probably five five as a shield I mean duct behind her crying head down made it through that house and then for the rest of the thing because I had to get out of the park and just screamed anytime anyone got close to me sweating overwhelmed sensory overload like you see the coffin and you see the person laying down in it and you're like okay this person is going to jump up and scare me have this huge haunted house thing called Hal scream and so they change all of the rides in two hundred houses they have scare zones and so I went to the Hallo Scott and I was doing something and he accidentally came up behind me and I just didn't hear him and he said my name and it scared me so bad I started crying and he decided we would never go to a haunted house never happened at work it has kind of like Becca I have a pretty sensitive startle reflex and I am very quick to jump but I grew up really loving it and I also as a sociologist thought wait I'm studying all about how fear is very negative and yet at the same time I really WanNa go to one hundred house what is that all about service system in some people are more sensitive to it than others and so in that moment you know it is our body kind of going you know so let me ask you so what's happened Eddie doing everything it can to prepare for survival so that means kicking our metabolism into high gear increasing our respiration our heart rate increases and it's really just kind of all systems turning to the present moment and ensuring that we are I'll be in a storage closet organizing something doing something and someone will walk in and just just say my name and I'm just so frightened Oh you can't touch me you can't touch me touch me it was do you remember what you were feeling like at that moment I mean just and when you have that startled do you feel the same way that the Becca does is this sort of teary shutdown like just kind of fall apart it's improves and that those changes are related to feeling like they challenge themselves they overcame their fears so it's of satisfaction similar to choosing to run a five K. or go rock climbing but that's all very context specific it's a very a very similar physiological reaction so the startle reflex is you know it's just that that immediate and automatic response of the sympathetic being inside our mind when we get scared like tell me about like the startle reflex is is this something that everyone has yeah it's essentially are US 'cause it might if it startled us it might be something that's dangerous so so we just we react we were not thinking about what it means or or why we don't need to be so you can see that in a haunted house where they they scream and jump but then immediately start laughing because you know it does leave people feeling better just their mood well fueled and also protected from pain so what you're saying is that we've evolved this response to like focus on what's exactly in front shows a lot of it is you know that that choice that that moment that you say I want to do this and you know choosing to do this often the difference between amazing even though we know completely rationally that nothing is going to hurt us at a scary movie or in a haunted house it's still leaves us with US I don't know how else to describe it I'll just be so frightened my eyes tear up I start crying one tip that we're definitely learning as that you should avoid closets yeah I should go in amaze oh absolutely you know we do process all of that information differently when we have made a choice and when we feel like it's in our control and did you reach out to us because this is a fascinating problem I don't think I've ever talked to anyone who's had this kind of reaction before we drinks us to to margie well I ways to feel in control then you can get better at controlling the startled reflects that that rush of panic and energy that evolutions made into this automatic reaction so when people have a really intense response which is sounds like Becca does it can feel kind of out of control like you don't know that your body is ever going nothing being fine and challenging or potentially traumatizing and so this is the first big rule about how to not be scared if you can find geared we just have a freak out fear response because because it could be something dangerous is that right yeah absolutely and so for some people right and take satisfaction in that it doesn't last forever and sort of live in that moment a little bit longer yes definitely embraced the startled yet so that if the guys running after you with a chainsaw in the in the maze it makes a big difference if your friends are there and it's haunted house as opposed to in the actual guy with a chainsaw thinking with Becca with her brothers scaring her it sounds like there was a tipping point where it was like you know what this isn't fun anymore and this doesn't last forever okay here's the second rule pay attention to your body's furious malts and then bookmark the moment when the fear subsides nice to kind of take a moment and put like a bookmark on it to remind yourself like oh I feel normal again I did come back down so next time you know I'll remember that talk if there's anyone else around you within like one hundred foot radio armoire no closets dressers well this is really into calm back down and like it's going to feel you know that intense forever and so after people calm down it's it's recruit both the reward systems but also the stress response systems so it becomes just a whole mixed bag and then you have these memories and you have do you think you would do to try and find something where you're going to be a little bit startled but it's also going to be surrounded by enough fun that maybe you kind of reprogram your anxiety or going to a amusement park and doing some of the more just kind of fun family friendly stuff to to base edition so this is just my advice through research and observation but my colleague and I are working on a study to measure if just adding I'm fine too scary will will make it easier so for people who really have nothing but negative associations to to being have you experience of it not just being bad here's another rule tried to make the fear more fun Becca how would you do that yeah that's such a huge part of it just be like oh my gosh this is such an interesting thing about myself and accept it and own it and embrace it and that actually I would ask what do you already find fun instead of trying to make something that sounds like it's just awful use a buffer against the more negative aspects of it that's the next rule embrace the startle well and I always like to point out on of a challenge so if you do running you know maybe try out one of the tough mutters or the Zombie runs where you have zombies chasing you to try and find herself that it's fun finding something that you do like that you do enjoy and finding a way to just tweak it to push it in a direction that would be what's that way you're going to build these memories that you're in control in this moment of fear it's going to end maybe what I need to do is set into before clear these these are haunted houses for like little kids right Oh yes made for children things that you do like and just add a little bit of fear on top of it and this is the flip side of that previous rule try to make fun things more fearful there is one the the Dombi run that you brought up is outside and so maybe not being in such a confined space where in the past they helped you stay alive that's all after this quick break a year for boating about going into a startling situation so thinking about tackling the the scarier of the kids haunted houses that I was unable to go in after bounding the Huffington Post Arianna Huffington worked around the clock until she experienced a wakeup call that I heard I suggest doing something that is a equal balance of fun and scary so whether that's like a really campy B movie with a lot of startles figuring out how to handle sphere that's not a small thing particularly because we know that there's a serious side of being scared that the chills go up and down your spine I can feel a little freer and all of that might might be a good idea to start out with yeah and you could get a little reflective mirror on your headband so you can see we do love Halloween like I want to have fun in these things like I truly truly do in with Halloween coming up in the lives of six achievers you can find that made all the difference anywhere you get your podcasts it's created by Bank of America what would 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P. dot com slash how to eat sleep dot com slash how to you know we've been talking about scary moments that are kind of to have a better understanding of of our physical reaction and appreciate it for protecting us you know the gut feeling that people talk about or and and we definitely need our threat response you know the the goal is definitely not to to do away with fear but came home from work one day and there was a street fight right literally right in front of my house and it was kids who were fighting so I probably ever been a time in your life where a scary thing happened that was like legitimately scary like you're right to be scared Oh gosh yeah and yeah still my car at that point it was very different kind of fear that I've ever felt happened when I saw one of the girls she pulled the tank top of another were between twelve and fifteen years old and the the fear that I felt was not for my own safety I mean I I was oceans so deeply or have the ability to Our emotions are contagious in that way and you know anger fear all of those higher girl which broken and the girl fell to the cement and and there was a lot of violence and that really hey these these reactions evolved not for situations like that right they evolved for situations where we should be scared and let me start let me start with you mark shook me to my core and and was was scary but in a different way I've actually had a couple of attempted robberies and it just stuck with me funds scary moments writer scary moments where where ultimately like Becca is in control and Margie urine control but I'm wondering like I mean obviously else as she was speaking I was in a situation a few times where there was sort of a domestic violence situation moments as I was trying to go through my my Rolodex fearful moments I think in moments of fear I actually sort of respond with more of a just the the chills down their spine a lot of times that is informing us that something doesn't seem quite right in the environment so I sitting around me I wasn't the one involved but it was very explosive and felt like it could have turned towards me very quickly in a really really powerful way that to this day I'll I'll have nightmares sometimes it was really scary and the interesting thing about it is that like you house on negative moments are all kind of the same soup what about you Becca is there is there a time that you can think of where were you I think it is a kind of testament to how we evolved together that the fact that we experienced each other's instead the depth that we can feel for other people who are going through something painful or scary and it's connected to that piece of control you weren't personally endangered that moment you're in your car right but you're seeing the scary thing why do you think it affected you so deeply why do you still have dreams about it light reflects than I do in moments of fake fear not fake fear but you know what I mean I it's it's incredible and that was a time where I was very fearful fearful for myself and fearful for the person who was the victim right in that moment and I was thinking as margie was talking in those going on and I was in this military convoy and we were going down this road in a a bomb went off underneath the Humvee that I was in and just by chance that that the Humvee it was had all this armor and so so the bomb didn't penetrate the carpet had been less armored Everyone would have been that I felt so guilty that I had gotten this guy into this this situation where he was clearly so scared and would you are genuinely scared and for good reason yeah and it's funny 'cause my situation is different but I felt a lot of parallels down and I was sweating and having this panic attack in I just didn't even know what to do I couldn't even process it we like make it to the space and my translator was just like totally debilitated by fear in in the emotions that I had afterwards were it's okay intense could be the only thing that we can do in that moment to survive to to you know not fall apart and so I always tell people you inside in and I almost like emotionally froze like it was almost like it was almost like I was observing this like memories of scary experiences in the context of fun and choice and this is the last rule have clinically from ten feet away and they they they rushes out of the car and everything's happening so fast and they throw us into this other car and they speed off and awesome volunteering for a night or kind of seen what it's like from the other end offers another opportunity to have different this like weird instinct to kind of act blase about it like like I was clearly completely overwhelmed by completely freaked out but you know there wasn't in California in these cars on like boxed me in just like normal like driving on the freeway and I had this panic attack like my eyes started bouncing up and okay so so we've got a month so so beca already put out her her Halloween decorations and we've got a month for her to prepare herself to go to the Audit House be kind of scary movie or a haunted hayride something where you don't actually have to to walk you can just sort of enjoy the scares coming to you with her husband what's the three things that she should do to get ready well I think the first is to to make sure she wants to do it and turning the tables on your fear by scaring other people or at least working in a haunted house or doing something like that or if you're scared of spiders maybe now your reaction is your reaction and it's it's part of you and it's no you don't have to feel guilty or or anything like that that's that's at your house with spiders or dress up like spider for Halloween or volunteer at the local nature center and spend time near the Tarantula cage in other words do something where you and then another recommendation might be to try and flip the script and scare other people who want to be scare so coin to a hundred I feel in control where were you can remind yourself that this doesn't have to be scary what do you think of that idea like like do you think and if she doesn't then then don't the second is to definitely find a place or an environment that is going to be safe considerably more helpful than the exposure therapy I thought I was GONNA receive but no this is this is he's like you may have you kind of experience a mild kind of dissociation in that moment and that can be adaptive you know separating ourselves when things are but you can kind of go of your defenses and fully be present in the moment so someplace for kids or even just a really fine really really helpful and given me hope that I can get past this as opposed to just being sorry this is how you are you're you're a scaredy cat and this is the would it be fun for you to go work in a haunted house I'd have to make it in their first but yeah that's I mean that's a really interest thank you to Becca for opening up about her deepest darkest fears we didn't even get into the vampires yeah it I I'm that's terrifying and I'm truly so sorry that stuff you and everyone experienced in it yeah you'll be well I think that just accepting that oh I have a sensitive startled reflection on me and my ancestors for chilling adventures in the science of fear and a quick update with just a few days ago until Halloween Becca sent us this voice memo hey guys acting idea it's a really great idea I told my husband before I got here that I was scared I was just going to show up somewhere and everyone was going to scare me so any other effects like I was in Iraq for a couple weeks actually months more and and I I just didn't even think about it but then when I got back to the US I was I was driving on the freeway the as you guys were talking about this trying to think of like a time that I was scared and and at one point I was a reporter in Iraq and this is back sort of when the war was you know it all works out how Jews executive producer is Derek John Rachel Allen is our production assistant in Mayor Jacob is or or my inlaws for that matter and thanks to market curve for putting all of our concerns to rest make sure to pick up Margie's fascinating book scream on twitter by using the Hashtag how to pod or call and leave us a voicemail at six four six four nine five four zero zero one and we oh by the way that's why my ancestors lived longer than your ran away I you want to know how to do or a problem we can help fix send us a note at how to at slate dot com or we would love to hear about your fears you can tell us about them we decided to go with the family haunted house this year and one of the kids in line made me go first so I might have teared up a little bit and pasta the one fits your life with more affordable models unless routine maintenance electric cars actually help you save money electric

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826 - It All Started With An Ice Cream Bar

Sleep With Me

1:22:58 hr | 9 months ago

826 - It All Started With An Ice Cream Bar

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And maybe I don't know that's just a child book a memoir of Someone who allowed a lost family fortune like they were an heiress certain air to fame lip boat. So I'll turn it over to main character You could call me choline. That's Coleen and This is my story it all started with an ice cream bar. It lived in binary land. My whole life Everything was a binary in my home. Home you know good evil male female right and wrong. Supposedly we were taught to. I was thinking that manner everything. We did Fast saw a nice not nice into into assaulted. Did we live up to the family values to the The humor name. 'cause my name's Coleen lean humor. You could spell it however you like I'm just telling you how it sounds when I I do. His started growing up in this world filled with nice things. But you know to me wondered again I was just thinking in May older nothing thoughts. It didn't didn't feel nice now. Looking back I realized it was a mix of both things. Much like the Istrict Kareem and my family fortune was built and that's The you know I I was looking for an adventure looking looking to get away from my family. It was looking to experience. Life also forgot what I was going to say edited the Lizard Long Time. I guess that's what I was saying. It grown tired of The on and off the nature sure of my family and its rules in the expectation. Only add to live up to the humor. Name it particularly you like to say. Oh we're good. We do good. We feel good. We are good are humor's good are I. Stream is good. Our deeds are good in. You know people that we all know that that it can't always be true or I I mean I I I guess I don't know but I think it was saying that it all started to. It's an ice cream bar. I was sitting there eating one. I had bought myself In snuck into our freezer an off brand store brand a a new. Would someone would frown Aboud beyond pleased about what is doing in our home. Normally I ice cream bars were made by one of the chefs that worked in our house. in May be rarely rarely were they storebrand bars inferior They would be new. Experimental thing is the company was working in but I started talking to the Stream Bar was in the first time you see a head Aided magin that imaginary friend who was an ice cream bar and that's when it all I'll start from me does one of my first memories who sa- lying in bed. It's funnier our family. You know we never had like an an we. There was characters characters associated with families company but none of them was an ice cream bar. It was one night as lying in bed. having trouble getting to sleep sinking about what it all meant in ice cream bar walked into the room is is clear is a nighttime scores. It could be nighttime in my bed. Shared my room with my sister But that's not super important other than the fact that she didn't. I gasped a stream bar. Oh by the way life size. So ice cream bar strolled into the room. Oh when you say scream bar what do you mean. That's a great question to this. One is the one That is typically Kalihi A to Chocolate colored cookie lake An ice cream bar ice cream sandwich. I guess I'm wrong all started with an ice cream sandwich that I always called an ice cream bar but It did it present itself as I said what would and is scream. Bar had a face it had to I. It was very expressive. He he said he can't sleep In a city it may never sleep again would would would've said just like that. What a what a we WOULDA Oughta an ice cream bar sat down at my bedside seat? Many paid people had said in before you know assistance. personal assistance. My parents bespoke bedtime story tellers. The tutors I made nursemaid's I don't even know maybe a wet nurse had been there before his last versus have been in there had been Paid Bedtime Storyteller. Who specifically worked very hard to know I tried to yes? Sir Patients Asking them question after question after question. My sister would be sound asleep After the bedtime story had started but again I saw his This bespoke bedtime story teller. who had to wear a Tuxedo? Ito were evening gown They were from a company Relaxing bedtime stories institute or something. Like Hanson They would bid I kept asking. What why would they do that? What was the person's name again? Wh Wha- what do you mean they kind of dog was in what what what was what goes the dogs no said okay okay. What was the weather like in those are detail were the questions? I squash motivation. Questions holes in logic questions delayed questions were asked questions in a row then let them get the story moving and then do do give delayed question and also derails the story. It became like a challenge and they said it until finally the founder was. They're trying to tell me a bespoke big time story. They were much more calming and relaxed in a patiently had heard my questions questions over and over again and they saw a write the room attempts. Your some people would call you precocious So people would call you adorable inquiry in inquisitive in nature. And I know you can't sleep and I know you're you're frustrated Nelson oates Europe to asking all these questions new you. Brian never asked for a bedtime story. Anyway in maybe WANNA bedtime adventure. We're just you know we're here to help Alpe Represent something else to you. So many. Do your favorite kid. I'm going to tell you something one day you can find your own way. You're gonna find someone or something to come in here and keep you company Danny and then I asked you who where what you know they sit right there and they pointed to my chest sooner. My chess It will come from in there in no help you and then you'll forget about them For a while and then looking back in your life should good luck We actually we you know companies ever you know worked out great all the telling you the bedtime stories because you know we we either way whether you sleep or don't we get to just doing good work and with kid now a realized her then then I realized when the ice cream bar walked in my room ice cream sandwich. If you want to be checked nickel Instead at my bedside Those words echoed in my ear. So we too sick in And I asked you and I scream bar. An ice cream bar laughed and Patterson here to help you sleep to keep you company. I'm your friend and I said what's your name ice cream bar said did gory. And they said Guatieri said no Guarini quarry you could just go to jeep chief like And I said Gory in ice cream bar which is really I guess. Technically ice cream sandwich. CITGO Lari yes a so. Why are you here just to help Are you from inside me. The end group Kuwari said. Yeah would you think and then gory would come every night and keep me company any being my bedside and basically just say stu bad I C- can't sleep that's gotta be rough which going in and sometime if I too was nice to have glory there listening to me and I would tell gory? Bell May Day or by my family and my mother Mater Vichy had my fighters had me called them the humor in all the rule. So you know everything Grandma the matriarch of the family the founder. The Creator still running. The company was all right out of a movie it was even in my mind all or nothing a painted and just bold colors sir. That's what Guar each sold me nays. I liked that and as we as I had more and more time and I felt Heard a filter is being listened to with As he gets five as so. I don't know acknowledged I knows one of them accepted some of those other listening things Who are used the mall? Probably because we had to take an extra class at night eight a good listening listening with humor listening with good humor. Grandma would laugh. This shea was different as I said I was eating a store brand icecream bar you'll be. You'll note that was not an ice cream sandwich It was a bar those on a stick so as I in my family. That wouldn't be but it would said that on their icecream bar that that was it Part of the new generic movement to show. I was having that there and I taught to myself. It's been a while since I've seen rory It started sleeping better is again you know got into a routine with school school and found friends in just to sit will one day. I'M GONNA leave this This family and that's when I heard it The door to the back of the House so was open breeze in. I was a walk towards the door. I saw small pool of ice cream. Vanilla ice cream dancer. That next question. I remember. I hadn't been in that spot before. So he couldn't have dripped the ice cream myself in called Hello hello anyone there. Hello Hello Dave Look. I saw further down the pass More drips rips of ice cream. Nickel gory quarries. Jesus a you alot and I followed the past and then ah followed where our properties split into other paths And it was on the headed to our seaport and yes we had a seaports. We were will. Will you know we were the sole we into was This is not a public company. Almost as seventy percent percent before those two dudes with the Vermont In the Europeans came with their ice cream grandma she she controlled the eighty percent of ice cream consumption In your country arket well your country. Now she'll here but headed down to the seaport area so we had a seaboard In a first alert like the seaboard was empty. None of the yachts were there. But I wasn't really looking for boats I was looking for an ice cream bar My my Ma. I guess you'd Say Majesty friend an ice cream bar and I hit it out and you see UK which the different soon seaport seaport and a DOT H. Well we're we're it was a covert protected from the ocean. We lived in the and the sea. But this was an enclosed Jayco. We could bring in Sizable shifts is large Almost obey then extending out to appear but appear with A building on a for loading and unloading supplies. We always have done an island island by the way large one not a private island But part of the island was privacy. And there's a building for unloading and owning things for us to wait you know lounging relaxing changing for but you changing in your boating. Arba Arba is even luxury the lap of luxury. Then I saw a small boat Eh looked to be made of paper in front of the boat it said the SS paper. Boy Who is made of the newspaper but away looked to be in there is standing by with the ship. I believe that's what you call it was Google Ari An ice cream sane which should giant. You Know Hugh bigger than me waved to me it. Would if you recall the DRIPS voicestream. I saw lemnos something. It took two bank in my mind and I was happy. I said who are Gu gory gory. And then I is cuckoo. Permission to come aboard and go Ari said permission permission granted captain. You don't need permission though. And then I could climbed aboard the assist paper. Boy and the Gory Ari. WHO's gory started throwing it aligns off Attached to ship to the Danka and I said I don't know how how how to sail a ship. I don't know where we're going and Gauri said don't worry were in Canada. Trailed off and I would. Is it worth. Where are we going and glory sedan ended venture her in a pseudo an adventure in way or two in Said A in. They said wait. Wait a second. You're you're dripping. Guar of never seen you dripping before I followed your drips down here to the seaport in and the ship. What kind of advice are you is? Everything in glory said We need to go. See Dr Mario and I said Dr Mario says it sounds very very official in the night visable will how will we get Tair Guarini. Who are any to go below? There's a a freezer below. Don't worry it's bird weekend. Ah You'll get there. You'll get Dr Mario and he said Dark Amar Director. Mario live on like Yo. She's island or something like that inquiry. Said don't worry the birds will know where to go. And so I went below which grew Ari and there was a walk in freezer. I wondered if this was one of my family's ships because they said well this would make sense But there was a cat in there and allayed gawar already down and put a couple of like there was some frozen vegetables down there and I put them on on Guarini More legacy now like a blanket. 'cause they were just a little bags. Gorey's about six feet tall in the Nagai chilly and who said I need to rest of soon soon. And then A went to leave and glory should want one more thing could you you tell me a story. And they said what about the ship and gross at the birds are gonNA pull the ship. It's a whole seeing a worry about it. You don't need to tell them I said no no no In the noticed a coat there so I put it on and I said okay this much schmo tolerable in a said at quarry said it pulled up Would I guess now looking back at it was probably a giant barrel of Nice cream in a Senate. They're gory side. And I said once upon a time there was a a child in a nice screen bar and they were best friends The ice cream bar before they were friends. was was girl new call. Lena ice cream bar lived in a way and with all other ice cream bars and ice cream sandwiches and cones in those kinds of things in the ice cream bars. Family believed Is that The the key to happiness Wis Collecting the Walnut. If there is only so many walnuts in this world in they figured out a way to collect the walnut. What's the most effectively more effect because this was before I stream a bars add? opposable thumbs is they had intervention. Is that would help them. Collect these walnuts and they collected the walnuts all day long and they. They told the little children one day they would be in the walnut collecting business and they would be happy to the more walnuts ahead the happier they they would be in in this one child named Guo Arena said why walnuts make us happy be and then the Great Grand Mamma said Sit Down Qu- arena. Let me tell you what J. Shelagh before your family collected walnuts which want us to just to their actually change their their tangible digital in intangible do them means grew arena in running ahead no idea what the gray mouse talking about? And then we'll walnut Chevrolet they're an ingredient in In different thing you're saying who had to explain it to two. Here's an there's only so many wellness in the world and we have most of 'em but everybody some people need walnuts and some people want walnuts Inner willing to trade things raw walnuts into even do things for us sir. Lake Turn fans on and off for example Guarino or You know a Polish followership Polisher but you know POW by do things for us you know even people with opposable thumbs That we would do things. Nice to exchange for walnuts and Guarini still didn't understand what is it about the walnuts That makes make samples at the things. We exchanged them for and grandma said it's the ability to exchange them. MMA that makes you happy is a you ability to know that we could do it at any time during the city. Still don't I don't understand and is in the grand. Mamma just laughed and said we'll one day you'll understand marina in you'll be happy you know realize is it's because of walnuts surplus walnuts that you'll be happy so don't worry about it just be happy and Guarini Ena tried to close. Goriness is and tried to imagine what it was like to be happy because growing wasn't sure would Happiness if feel felt like and then a girl gaming goriness jerome and said I'm here to play with you. I'm your friend in Guarini said of wh- what's a friend And the girl said. Do you like to play in Guarino. Who are innocent? I do in the girl said. Would you like to play in. Guarini said Wish Water Splash Song. Singing in girl said dad sounds fun. Could you teach me how to play love to play that with to you and they played water splashes sewing singing and other games and things Guarino liked to do lying on the floor. Ceiling staring was another one or making funny noises lie. They had many many good times in Guarini new would happiness Felt like When she would lie in bed she would takes to think of the time she had was destroyed girl and she would and then I realized they grew who well? Now I'm calling my Fr- Gloria was asleep so he didn't finish the bedtime story gap and took my jacket off. They left the freezer Sir because they knew the end of the story wouldn't have helped you go guar my friend. Mainstream bar within a thought about this if I'm in an adventure with my imaginary friend and wear aim. Where's this? Dr Mario. I went up to the surface. This is ship those thinking about the end of the story. You know where Guarini found out that a little girl was paid to play with her but she's still was happy and I took a brash and I felt a seabreeze on my Jong looked up and there was birds pulling the ship Lake they were sales Thousands and thousands of birds and I saw an island Getting closer closer and closer and I just sat there in the bow of the ship Thinking about who who are a sweeping below Hello Guarini riding on the bird powered waves Watching the island to get larger jern larger. Hoping this is the island we were supposed to be at the island to his doctor. Mario eventually the ship came in new. Due to a small bay. Nha Birds took a tour Dacic And even Kenneth Swung around some of the new the The things and the the lines to tie the boat to the die. Can I decided to like Warri. Sweep again off. The boat and I waved goodbye. Birds of flu away. Thank you birds and I started to walk up. The only passed I saw it was as a dirt path is noise scream drops and the spasm no signs. There's only one pass in lit up. A Hill will green grass and both sides over a stream and then down into a valley early with some woods Naked see from Tampa valley past led into the woods and on the other side of the woods has passed a leading out is through the basic valley and it were again narrower narrower into where I could just see a puff of smoke coming up from what I presumed was a building so I headed down to the woods. Woods down the past into the forest An suggests remember Just to stay on this path That's all you need to do. Who End who was abated past ten another something about the woods And then I heard it I I heard a crinkle ing In crunching and Lakers somebody was Crumbling paper Keren throwing it to the side it was just off the past And then I heard some muttering some kinda frustrated muttering in Along with my disillusion or confusion A- I guess I had to find out what was making the sound now far off the pass and a little cooler hearing is a wooded campsites and they're sitting on a stump was some beautiful beautiful creature. It looked like a bit like a duck billed platypus but if it's bill was magnificent waffle cone in instead of being on all fours it was his sitting on a stump presumably because it was. You know bipedal Fedele ruled by you know walked on two legs and it was to writing is something and I said Oh. Hello sorry to interrupt you in the cone black-owned or whatever GonNa push looked over at me instead. Of whom are you nice to be honest so for almost forgotten them Looking for something and they heard you crumbling. Paper Burn muttering and couldn't help but It drew my attention. I was like in the forest to be confused in the planet. Cohen said this is the florist confusion. Maybe that's why I'm having such a hard time to hardy. Har Har have a seed here so we don't know who who you are and I sit him. Coleen is Choline humor is the name MM is quite a name Coleen humorous blessed and meet you. Am I heard you calling me. Kompass cirque black-owned. In your head and neither one of those is fine. You could call me Blatty for shorts in. I said well what seems to me matter matter. Blatty it sounds like you're frustrated or something. He and bloody city. Yeah we should add to relent. You know saying in writing a story here I should show. What's the story called and Blatty said detail of the rural Goblin and I said the tale of the rural Goblin in Poletti? said that's it. That's the title I have but I don't have anything hanging out and everything have just doesn't seem good enough and I said one pretty good asking questions. Why do you mind if I ask you Houston questions about your story? Maybe I could help And to play it he said well why would you WANNA help me. Why would you want to ask you so many questions? MM said why why. Why a Barsha joking but I do watch those questions answered and I said Wow I don't know I hi WanNa help? I just felt like helping when I heard your frustration me because I've been frustrated too and I know how frustrating being frustrated traded can be in plaid he said fair enough fair enough What about the? What about the asking the questions part bird sounds like it has an extra and I said well? There was a time asked too many questions on a repeated basis to frustrate people so maybe I need to Undo that Nat And Vladi said well. Maybe I could help you too but I ask me some questions. This sounds delightful in my. I said well if two questions first of all and I don't know which one was more important to you gladdy but I guess first question would be. Why is it rural Goblin and played? He said well you know it. I know this is a a little bit on the nose but this Goblin was a gobbling that lived in the countryside with his family. For a long time Abbott then moved to the big city One of the first goblins to move to the city and it wasn't easy and and they always gave they called called this Goblin the rural Goblin Because you know most of the more the you in a That's a has so far but trying to decide if it should stay in the city or move back and be because once. The rural Goblin always rural Goblin. That's a piece of dialogue. Had that I run the ground over the air in a sit. Oh sounds off a Sounds like an important thing to figure out and I said well yeah be nice And I said well has rural. Goblin made a list of pros and cons about living in the city are moving back to the country and plaid. He said not yet. What was your other other important question? And he said well I don't see manners anymore is GonNa ask you what a Goblin is. But I don't think I really need to know. Oh because they know how that Goblin feels and Laddy said okay. Well maybe I'm making a list of pros and cons as sounds like a great rape place to start and would what are you doing here. In the forest confusion Coleen humor and industry. I said I'm looking for Dr. Mario evolved things and a plaid. He said attacked Mario. Oh really in a city. Yeah Life with Dr Mario and plaid he said my familiar millions Jackpot Mario. It wouldn't be writing stories if who was in for Dr Mario. I didn't realize you were ice cream based being and I sit on nap but have a friend. My best friend is a matter of fact It down in the ship Stained cool we'll Who seems to be melting and said to get get to Dr Mario in the bill? Eddie said Wow sounds important. Maybe you should just Well thing about the forest to confusion is it's very confusing infusing and lake Guests a You know I've been saving this refers special day but you've really tried to help may because it'll be honest when she go into the forest confusion you have to it. It's a long process and it sounds like lake. You're in a bit of a hurry and I said I am And Blatty so don't worry have special power called KRYSTAL blast. AST and I'll use it to adjust to help you and they said thank you implied he breathed out some ice in a Like All the forest froze for a little while in bloodied. Hurry long and foul the past You'll find your way to Dr Mario. Mario and you won't be confused because everything in the forest is frozen now is so. I hurried along and eventually got out of the forest and then Found the trail and started through the Canyon towards where I saw it. I saw smoke. Smoke rising If remote some sort of structure and eventually saw down the Canyon at the base It opened up in. 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So I made assumption that this was Dr Marris Dr Mario Reo and she said yes. Am Dr Mario and a would she said. Why are you here? It sounds like You need to tell me something and I said it's my best best friend Ice Cream Bar Google Ari started melting and sit. I needed. You bring bringing them here. Cheer Island or not to you for help in to doctor. Mario smiled mild and put her hand on my shoulder. and Said you've come to the right place In I said where are we in my in a we took a pay per ship here pulled by birds and I met a Plata cone and she said Oh polatty You so glad you saw laddy Out there in the forest you confusion trying to write a book The story is hope. 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Why do we like getting scared?

Brains On!

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Why do we like getting scared?

"Today's episode is sponsored by Bona Hardwood floor cleaner Bona's Water Bay solutions and Green Guard gold certification ensure a safe product for your family pets and our planet comes ready to use just spray and mop bona hardwood floor cleaner is available at most retailers were floor cleaning products are sold on Amazon and on Bona Dot com be sheer preparing yourself mentally for scary things yeah you're just preparing yourself cut it so I know that you like ghost stories do you feel like reading a ghost story is different than watching a movie yes very much the thing about me is I love to read scare stories but as soon as someone says hey it was question why is it that when you see something scary and try not to look at it you couponing to look back at it so bell do you like being scared yes doc was that healthy Internet say it probably fine you want us to try scaring you that usually ends my hiccups bats dripping water and your own thoughts not scary going door loves napping in caves best circadian rhythm got something scares going to happen then it won't be as bad as if you have like a false shield of thinking everything's GonNa be very happy ending on a stage in front of everyone you know and improvising an opera noise still pick up things able to make up what you think it will look like and your minds probably making up something that can make you feel better about it but if you're watching a movie then you can't reporting how about a scary movie marathon without any fried pickles to keep you company no word how about St Editors on face not scared of bumpy airplane rides definitely not scared of looking down from toll cliffs we might have some other ideas for you you why do you think you like it personally I like getting scared because it kind of gives me like a sense of safety or something like if you kind of predict the Um what about if elevator sent you to a super tiny deep dark cave where you'd be all alone except for total complete darkness watch a movie then I get freaked out and like don't want to because I'm terrified because usually when I read books they don't have that much visuals so your mind Mike that burbs Ganga door has been hiccuping all we yeah I'm heading into the studio for your show all about getting scared I bet it can help afterward bell now let's some other ideas few in the meantime Gundy you well Mark Sandon what was that Ganga door I it may gung indoor your burps usually don't them can come from very long a long time ago or they can come from modern times like right now like they're some right now that are like loom and my co host today is bell from Los Angeles California Hi Bell Hi thanks for having me thank you for being here so today's episode was inspired by this roll with the monster looks like so it's even more terrifying so why do you like ghost stories in particular that goes stores in particular because most the good one mark that's why these blast so long no one can scare gun the door gone door unscathed monster her come on you've got to be scared of something no nothing is scary not scared of spiders S. brains on is supported in part by a grant from the National Science Foundation so here's the studio Bill Murray and molly will in recent ever what about those sugar free pudding cups that are Tan and no one knows what flavor they really are going to love in this brains on from American public media I'm molly a period of time and then you can learn about history while scaring yourself a little bit yeah usually Um scary movies about like a long time ago I get interested in dimmed the lights and queued the fog the studio is creepy and smells like wet dog today we're going to learn more about by some of US delight in fright but I I feel like we need to set the mood right bell totally Harvey Doug More let me know if you need anything else that's more like it now we all have different things only activate Halloween mode sure volley my mind I'm imagining you know a massive fifty foot kind of Goliath and I think I would probably sneak up and then you know tickle his foot or theologist who studies fear her research lab is a haunted house literally she does her research in one of those Halloween type mazes where there's people in costumes in cobwebs and her feelings so let's start with the physical say you're watching a movie and the main character is trapped on one side there's a steep cliff on the that's what happens in our bodies then there's the psychological part that's what happens reminds and lastly there's the social part that's how other people okay decorations it's perfect because she can study people's reactions when they're choosing to be scared just like when you or I decide to read spooky story or ride a tall roller when this happens our body speed up our breathing so we have more oxygen and any available sugars get sent straight to our muscles so we can be as strong as possible give us the HE BGP's some people get squeamish around bugs or rodents others are wigged out by where wolves or vampires but what if you're Jack London Max and Jack Let's hear one more suggestion about how we might scare a monster the first thing that comes to my mind is I would tickle it because a body is essentially reprioritising everything to make sure that we are going to be essentially strong fast or able to get the far short in his face I have a NERF gun really hurts so I will use that I would show to a Unicorn in the Unicorn in Spain way to run to hide this is called the fight or flight response because your body is gearing up to either fight that threat or take flight and run and I want to search it up more and so then I ended up just having all these strange facts in my head that I tell everyone and they don't know where he learned them from that's awesome not really boring what I like to do is I just search up scary parts of it and then that will usually give me interested in that period of time nice so you look up ghost so we've covered the physical and mental parts of chills and thrills so how about the social margie says a scary experience often brings people closer together usually when we're doing scary things there with friends so we're going to the movies with friends we're going to coaster it's scary but we're expecting to be scared Margie says of there are three main parts to this kind of fear I there's the physical part went to step out of corn I would scare a monster by saying I know you're not there monster and hundred houses with friends or amusement parks or even just going out into the woods and running around you know these are all social experiences and when we do scary things the scary thing like what if your monster what would scare you we asked our listeners and they had some hair raising ideas I looked together it creates stronger social bonds with the people that we trust in and liked to be around and part of that is because when we're scared other side a hungry bear as you watch you might get a little scared your heart might start beating faster and breathing might speed up and what's happening is ghost on the movie theater and then there's some that go way back like Oh this ghosts haunt this historical landmark and so sometimes if you find it wonder people's moods go up after experience like this and get this scares can also boost confidence we can use these kinds of experiences as a way to almost make us feel really energized and powerful and grounded in the moment we're not thinking about any homework or bills or or any of those or body is is ready to go but then you remember this is only a movie air not actually endanger Margie says that's when the fun part of it feeling of Algebra so it really can bring people together and create those strong social bonds and just end up is really good memories the monster by hugging I would hide behind a rock with a flashlight jump up and shine I'm bill I like this go on monster by knocking at twee on by believing that they're not real 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Luckily Pillsbury is a Goto for picky eater solutions that satisfy the whole family took him somewhere that he can't figure out where and from experience I think you'd probably be pretty terrified that voice of experience is Margie Kerr she's so what is your guests I think it's just an organ that they plan you just heard from Oliver Sydney Randall. Louis Rene Brooke Joanna and Rachel Tell us how they would scare monster that's because today were talking about news on we'll hear the answer to that question at the end of the show plus we'll hear the latest group to be inducted into the brains honor roll so keep listening would put on the sender storm and lightning would scare it that was Maya Nora Australia Silas Ianna Miriam's I four thousand to get this special offer from Mel Science so text B. R. I. N. S. 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Dot com slash brains on you're listening to brains on where we're serious about being curious it could be scary or hairy you can have bangs or fangs if you'd be blue or purple or rainbow it could be a bowl of rice with Google early is really you know you've got a little more confidence that you can you can handle the changes that are happening in your body you can feel that anxiety no you're going to to be okay Zhu are you ready Bell yes here it is so we can send your mystery sounds show suggestions and questions just like this listener my question is why they last bays have a little hit and splice scillies play all over head to toe so among grabs my arm or something like that well I get my other are let's free and the CIA than Killick let go I would make little scuttling newest then coming up to it and then I would jump out from behind on Saturday night lights at the same time or were to use a costume that looks like of immature nick chucky cheese from the truck choose to see scare it wants to creep down you're listening to brains on from American public media I'm Bill Murray and I'm molly armaments to buy certain overflow from over to make to make it curious nonsol- for flare behind it to scare it I would scare a monster by turning the game show where contestants guess what a phobia is based on its scientific name a phobia is an extreme fear of a specific situation or thing like because it's time for name that phobia that's right bell you're the next contestant on name that phobia in a recipe picks them up on your next grocery trip and make the most of family time with Pillsbury uh-huh crying or being upset or feeling anything other than positive so a lot of my designs have always been more of a almost via is the fear of spiders all right time for our second phobia it's called Coal Ra- phobia do you think well you are correct someone with color phobia has a fear of clowns okay moving on to our third phobia and this one's a doozy folks sense of goosebumps so I want to try and activate the sensory network on their skin and And so I think about different ways I can do that maybe can do that with you know Ed fear itself be fear of spiders you sound very confident have you heard of that one before yes well you are a hundred percent correct Arachnophobia so like a hero's journey and when you look at at a hero's journey it involves a lot of fear a lot of confronting the unexpected and the challenging the risky is it a dancing spiders be getting peanut butter stuck on the roof of your mouth or see pop quizzes and if you'd like a clue I can give you one see fear of clowns why do you think it might be fear of clowns it just sounds similar to the name of clowns so I'm just going on a whim and guessing see bell do you remember Margie Kerr from the beginning of the show yeah she's a scientist who studies why people like to be scared the one it does research in haunted houses and mazes right and because of that haunted house designers sometimes turn to her for help after all her work gives her a really good sense of how to give people different types of textures that you can put on the walls and then I think oh well you have to figure out a way to make sure that they bump into the wall so I build out from from the stimuli all very specific kinds of scares I start usually with a sensation that I want to incite so if I want to give people a lutes play your first phobia is Arachnophobia. Is it the fear of a tennis rackets be spiders or see south wiser in the end think about Harry Potter trying to conquer voldemort or Charlotte Spider try and help Wilbur Insurance web or even Jack in the beanstalk all classes I can clue a person with Iraqi bhutto-era phobia probably prefer sandwiches with a little bit of crunch I'd so I think that when it comes to spooky stories there's something very exciting about being scared but in okay then it's be getting peanut butter stuck his mouth again all right it's time for our fourth and final phobia dental phobia I you know my end goal is always to have it be a positive experience I never want to actually scare people in a way that they are going to leave right between B. and C. I'M GONNA say be fear of dentists you nailed it. Dental phobia is fear of dentists well thanks for playing WCHS next we'll check in with a writer who works on scary stuff every day joining us to talk about how to write a scary story is Jay White Jerry it's a Raqi boot phobia say it again Iraqi boot or a phobia what do you think a Raqi phobic sphere safe way because you know that nothing bad is actually going to happen to you if you ever get too scared you can just close the book so it's a real book and then I I took great delight in making up scary stories and scare my friends so I think for me it was always more fun to tell scary world through their eyes what do you think makes a good scary story I think primarily you have to be very invested in the characters unplaced is horror has this sort of long heritage so and I've read a lot of spooky stories but then I'll I'll attend to put my own twist on it very excited to be here how did you get interested in rain spooky material when I was little I just found myself always know curled up in the corner kind of reading scary are you ready to hear that mystery sow wartime yes here it is mm-hmm that phobia you've got them all one hundred percent correct don't forget to pick up your fabulous partying prizes in the swag shop on the eighth floor stories and try to give people nightmares them scream so that was my childhood I understand that why do you think people like to read spooky stories eh but ultimately making it through that phrase Hero's journey it's a classic type of story where hero goes on an adventure learn something character in a scary story learns how to conquer his or her fear urine away learning how to conquer your fear because you're seeing them scene do you just read other books and kind of get inspired by the ideas or do you come up with them on your own or do they come from real life experiences one the author of the thick eighty series of books as well as night books his newest book is the first of a three part series called shadow school welcome Jerry thank you so much for having me on so no shadow school for example I wanted to write a ghost story and so where I started from was well there's been a lot of ghost stories how can I make mine a little how well do you think dental phobia is the fear of a knock knock jokes be dentists or see brown bears it's hard really is a nice safe way to be scared do you have any ideas to how someone can overcome their fears well a creepy I liked it and that's really cool mark agrees the organ can be a very creepy instrument Kohl reform is the fear of a catching a cold b hot coals or see clowns I'm just GonNa go ahead and guess how many pipes are really inside and I'm sitting at a big keyboard we call it a console with three keyboards and there's also pedal boats as you'd see him sitting at this triple decker keyboard dozens of giant golden pipes above the keyboard stretch up to the ceiling they carry sound all through the room dark it's mysterious you can't see the organised frequently playing and you're only seeing a few of the pipes that are three living and it's two stories high full of pipes so when you look at a pipe organ you're only seeing a small fraction of that reading scary stories could definitely help because then you are feeling the same things that those characters are so that if a plus are you scared of those fire hugs and rainbows are you sure there's nothing you're afraid of different so that that sort of a fun game to take one of these traditions and spin it a little so a lot of times it's just letting my imagination sort of do it's thin and eight in length above us and then the organ case is as deep as a big living room and wide usually it takes me to some pretty dark fun places that's good inspiration to start writing thanks for coming on Jerry I enjoy listening to your answers and begins strongly that 'cause organs are super cool for the background on this sound we caught Mark Steinbach at Oregon he plays he's an organist at Brown university playing so a lot of the instrument is very mysterious as opposed to an orchestra which would be in front of you every year he plays a Halloween concert for students city we're way up in the balcony which is about fifty feet off the ground and there are pipes that are sixteen fee Japan my students bring me in in coffin every year the story is now I rise from the dead every year to play this recital hundred percent correct and that that very first time that you heard that sounded a little bit about is actually just part of the Oregon it's very low note so they play those really low notes it sounds like very I feel so all the scares are happening to you so that would be first and foremost in my mind that's a good answer I like that where do you get your inspiration to write scare stories from Lord and I'm wearing my oregon shoes which are special Danseuse so I can maneuver the pedals and push all the right buttons if you imagine looking up at the balcony as mark ups after all probably burps still on 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Facing Our Fears

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Facing Our Fears

"Major funding for the pulse is provided by leadership gift from the Sutherland family charitable fund. The Sutherland support WHYY and its commitment to the production of programs that improve our quality of life. This is the pulse stories about the people and places at the heart of health and science I Mike and Scott this time of year when the days are getting so noticeably shorter and darkness seems to be setting in all around me. I feel sort of naturally creeped out ill at ease add to that all of the Halloween decorations. My neighbors are putting up the skulls and spiders and ghosts who gets to me. Halloween comes from the Celts who thought that the connection between our world and the world of ghosts and spirits got really thin around this time of year. So they had festivals to appease those ghosts. And to put them in a good mood so to speak. So I guess the thinking is you embrace that which scares you. And in that spirit on today's show. We're going to explore things that are creepy stuff that freaks us out. Alana Gordon is here now to start us off without first story. And Alana your story is really a story about facing your worst fears. It is so Mike. What's your worst, fear? Well, I'm afraid of most things because I really hate scary things. Right. And I hate to be startled. I absolutely despise it. But I recently went to check out this massive haunted house type thing it's on the campus of a former state institution. So they are crumbling old buildings all around. It's very dark, and I you have to walk through the stretch of woods to get there. So creepy. So. You sound like you're having the time of your life. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I was freaked out just being on the campus. Right. But then I pushed myself to go into one of the haunted buildings. It's totally dark inside. There is fog everywhere and Strobe light. So you can't see sudden loud noises, and then people with gory makeup jump out and scream at you. What is he? It was awful. And I actually asked to be escorted out the back door after three minutes. And I hated it. I hated every member of it, so Mike, and what if I told you that you had to face that fear to do that you have to go back in that house, and like you have to keep going back in that house for hours and hours and hours a day for several weeks. I would have a really hard time with that. And it kind of sounds like I guess exposure therapy. That's what they're up his do with people who have let's say a fear of heights or fear of elevators, you just gradually expose people until they can take it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But imagine now that that fear or that thing that makes you most uncomfortable is within you imagine that it's pain what kind of pain a really really debilitating kind that consumes your thoughts your actions, for example, if I were to lightly touch you like here are my hand. Yeah. Just rubbing my finger on your hand. What does that feel like like a finger on my hand? Right. Well for savannah Fleming of mount Vernon Iowa. It's totally different. It's kind of hard to describe it. It was sort of like being stabbed almost just that little tiny touch on her hand. Yeah. I talked to another teen with this kind of pain condition. Mary Kelly, Chevron of Kansas City, Missouri. And for her even the slightest touch on her feet, especially it can feel like a blue torch. It's almost like if you had like, a really awful bruise or really awful, burn. But just your entire body is that everything that touches you like clothes sheets it shouldn't hurt. And you know, it shouldn't hurt. But it does for both of these teens the pain got so debilitating that it completely consumed them by the time they were in high school. I Vanna the pain worsened to the point that it put her in a wheelchair now gone from school so much and struggling to keep up. And what's so hard is that there wasn't some like outside trigger that everyone can say, oh this caused this. And there wasn't even some sort of like direct. Test where doctors could be like, oh, you have this. I can see this pain. It doesn't work that way. But both Mary Kelly and savanna were leader diagnosed with some form of amplified, musculoskeletal pain syndrome or amps, it's an umbrella term, but many also refer to these particular conditions as complex regional pain syndrome, and for people who develop it like, I was saying the pain is excruciating. What's so striking about this to me, Mike is that the way to treat? It can be really tough too because involves facing that pain and all the fears that come with it head on how so what do they do? So I recently went to check this out at this controversial clinic in Philadelphia at the children's hospital that treats patients with this syndrome for the day. I went there. I walk through a colorful exercise area. When patients on a treadmill? Another's rubbing a stick of heights all over their feet. We exposed to lots of different textures. Sensations that we bother Dr David Sherry runs the program. He's a rheumatologist and he has been studying and treating this pain for over three decades. David stands out, even in this bright room with his long white beard, zany ties ridiculous jokes and Chuck Taylor kicks. High top always black David says, what makes this condition different from other types of chronic and acute pain. Like when you break a bone is that in this case, the pain takes on a life of its own a pill or an operation won't work. Instead, you override the pain signals to reset them. And you do that by stimulating the pain over and over and over until it settles down in recent. So if light bothers you sit in a bright room work on a computer if a slight brush of air on your skin feels like a blowtorch. Step in front of this high-powered fan. Or if a small bump bothers you like when you're in a car and a highway well lucky for you next to that fan is a total body vibrator. What I tell the kids shakes the qisas out of you. So if I can I get on this. This is a lot of abrasion. This is not your typical physical therapy approach sack. Rasual it's not about avoiding or easing into that pain. The in clinic treatment part of this last about a month, savannah. One of the teams I talked to went to one in Kansas City. That's modeled off of David's there about eight like it around the country. I I was begging not to have to go back, and I was crying, and I was trying to stall all kinds of stuff to try to avoid going back. She puked all over the dashboard on the drive home. After the first day. It was heartbreaking. I think for both of us. It was very very difficult. That's savannah's. Mom, Amy robots. She wasn't allowed in during the day. None of the parents are and as hard as this was she encouraged the Vanna to stick with it. If we couldn't make it through this program if this program didn't work for us. I was afraid that this was the best her life was ever going to be. And that was not okay with me. Back inside the Philadelphia clinic a couple of patients are in gym clothes. They're sweating. And they're in a wide hallway. It's painted green. With line markers. Like a mini football field. Physical therapists encourage them from sidelines as they do animal. This involves putting weight on a hand or foot that bothers the most almost there it appears to be a real strain for one of them. Rheumatologist David Sherry says how these kids experienced pain is different their nerve signals got caught in the loop. That was then amplified after an initial stimulus that might have been as trivial as a minor sprain from dancing or playing a sport. He likes what happens to win a microphone gets placed next to a speaker. In high school. Well, that's a very soft sounded goes into the microphone, but then it comes out the speaker goes in the microphone comes out the speakers in their micro. And it becomes so painful, you have to leave the auditory him. They can't turn it off. Same thing with these kids, you this is just a light touch. Trump. Just barely touching your skin or, you know, your hair brushing on your back that can't possibly hurt. Yes. It can just like a very soft sound in the microphone if it's too close to the speaker can make you leave the auditory. For some people this amplification results in physical signs blood vessels, constrict turning a hand or foot blue either way, this is where desensitization comes in like when you put your hand in a sink full of hot water or jumping really cold pool. I that might seem unbearable, but the ideas you get used to it because pain usually means damage, and so what we have to retrain these kids to think that the pain is not damaging their body. And so they need to work through that fear to retrain, the nerves the exact cause and trigger of this pain isn't clear, it's a rare condition and the research is ongoing David and other suspect genetics play a big role in combination with the environment, and psychological stressors. It's often misdiagnosed, but to pediatric pain specialist. Dr Eliot crane, this condition represents an important window into pain itself. It captures so much. What pain is it captures? The actual physiology of pain. It encompasses the modulation of pain either the amplification or the minimization of pain. It captures the psychological response to pain all the anticipatory, Zaidi and fear and depression that chronic pain causes crane is director of pain management at Stanford's children's hospital in California where he treats this condition to he says, no question intense, physical therapy and desensitization is a critical part of the process, but he worries that a hardcore bootcamp approach can be too much for some kids if it's trialed that can be a very traumatic experience, very traumatic. Elliott's concerned that could induce more trauma even fee tea estate. It's not necessary for somebody to feel the pain to get better. It's not true that no pain means no gain, two lines. Just two lines. Fifty two. David Sherry at the Philadelphia clinic disagrees. I think that to tell them, oh, you know. Don't worry. You know, you know, poor baby. You know, just do this. We'll call you bring your long graduate. I is a disservice to them. He admits this approach isn't for everyone, depending on someone's anxiety levels and other factors for that reason if beefed up their safety in psychological protocols and supports throughout but David says patients have to be pushed to get better. So they learn to stop letting the pain control them. Here's the van again completed a similar program in Kansas City, before I honestly thought pain was just part of life. It was part of who. I was even if I hated that it just seems like it never was possible for it to truly go away for me. And now, it's gone Savannah's seventeen. Now, she no longer needs the wheelchair. She still has to maintain a therapy routine. Both physical and mental. But she's taking college classes now, she's volunteering she's excelling and living a full life. That's totally weird. And totally crazy. But in like, this amazing mind blowing Raqi Lous way for Mary Kelly, the other teen I talked to who went through that same program her pain. It's just as pervasive as it was before if not more. But she says still the clinic experience changed everything. Yeah. The pain is the worst it's ever been. But it doesn't define me or control. What I do. It's really good to feel that way to like have something that controlled you for so long, and the definetely be free of that is really an incredible feeling. She says now she seeks out everyday teen activities. She dances. She's deeter. She's active and engaged and unlike before she doesn't fold back. Alana Gordon reported the story. We're talking about facing our fears and sometimes the stuff were scared off turns up our dreams and our nightmares. The most vivid dreams happen during a specific stage of sleep. Remm sleep. Your heart rate is elevated your blood pressure rises, and you have all this neural activity going on in your brain. That's neuroscientist Balon Jalal. He says that during REM sleep your lying in bed. Your heart is beating and all of these neurons firing the part of your brain that processes emotion, the limbic system lights up so much that it looks the same as when you're awake. Some scientists think that the reason we dream is to make sense of all those random, emotional fireworks. Other parts of our brain turn totally off during REM sleep like the part that controls logic. That's probably why dreams so often don't make a lot of sense, and then the preset and at that point you have to get down and grovel. And I said, you mean get down on the floor and grovel, and he said, yes, it was in this really creepy church. And it was Doug. There's lightning flushes outside. I remember like realizing that I had been possessed, and I was going to do something horrific, by the way. There's no real difference between a dream and nightmare a nightmare is basically just a dream that stresses you out. So do the crazy dreams that we have doing Rhames sleep have a purpose here as neuroscientist Balon Jalal again. So one theory for why we dream or even have nightmares that it has a survival mechanism. So if you in your dream see yourself, I don't know like wrestling with a bear something that is gonna make you more likely when you encountered that in real life be able to deal with a situation like that. I don't dream about bears, but I do dream about being late for work or not being able to finish the project on time. And it's. Always stressful. But there's another kind of nightmare. That sounds a lot worse than that. You're completely paralyzed. And you're half awake. The feeling like I'm about to wake up. But then I realized that I can't move. I knew the bathtub was overflowing and most of the time, it's like someone extending of your bad who's gonna murder you. I often feel that there are people with me in the room. And I also knew that there was a stranger wandering around the house. The best way I can sum. It up is like a feeling of suffocating couldn't move to hide or defend myself against the stranger. And I couldn't get up to turn off the bath water. We've really is like may consciousness stuck under water. Sometimes I can wake myself up I screaming, this inability to move the feeling of presence in the room or pressure on your chest. It's called sleep paralysis. It's a glitch that happens during the rim sleep phase. When you're having intense. We're. Dreams. And during that phase all of us are paralyzed to stop us from acting out our dreams, maybe jumping out of a window. If you're dreaming that you can fly part of the brain in the brain stem, totally paralyzed during REM sleep, but the people who get these horrifying nightmares. They are partially awake during Rhames leap and their body is still unable to move. The first thing you do is like my God one get out of here. Right. So you start sending all these command neurons down to your body to your arms. Two legs move. Right. Move move, your brain and your body are out of sync. So your brain is trying to construct some kind of narrative around what's happening to you. Maybe you'll hallucinate and think there is a presence in the room, your brain is free to freak you out in any way. It knows how so what can you do to make it stop belonged is studying that now his advice, don't panic. Stay calm and. Tell yourself that sleep paralysis like most everything else can be explained by science Balon Joel is a neuroscientist at Cambridge University. Think about the last scary movie you saw and what it really was about that movie that freaked to out. Yes, it was probably the plot. But I'm sure it was also the music because so often, that's what's really unsettling a alone piano playing dissonant notes in the distance or kind of drumbeat that lets. You know, something terrible is about to happen. But why do these tune scare us so much? Max green reports it's a dark and stormy night. Your home alone. Ready to watch a scary movie. You turn off the lights and settle in with a bowl of popcorn the opening credits flash on the screen. After a few minutes, you're in grossed. But suddenly thinking, maybe this wasn't such a good idea. You're looking over your shoulder every few moments, and you're hyper aware of the sounds around. You a tree branch tapping softly at the window, a creaking floorboard a metal gate swinging back and forth outside you're on edge. But nothing scary is actually happened yet onscreen. So why is the hair on your next ending up? It may be all the cues your ears or picking up on your eyes haven't sound cues that till you tension is rising and something is probably going to happen soon. The ear in general has a far more direct line to your emotional response. That's kublai owner he teaches music composition for the screen at Columbia college. Kogyo? He says in scary movies the year plays a big role in creating fear. I think it has to do with the fact that it's always on you can't close your years. And it's the only thing that can look behind. That's one of the reasons why it play such a big role in scaring people in movies Kubilay says composers can use sound design and music to make viewer feel unsettled. Basically what you're trying to do is somehow take away the sense of safety and control from the audience. But when it comes to music context is key notes and combinations of notes aren't objectively creepy sounding rather horror movies have given us a kind of language that's taught us to fear. Certain tones kubla uses a piano in his classroom to explain complicated, intervals can sound what we commonly called dissonant, and they can be employed to be scary. So you have something like this. And out of context that sounds a little scarier than. But take that same dissonant chord. And at a few notes in the middle. I can make kind of pretty and more like a question. Mark music. Composers have lots of strategies at their disposal to facilitate different kinds of scares take Alfred Hitchcock classics psycho, for example, where it's just horrifying employing almost a physical gesture though screechy violence that keep coming. We meet we it's really just painting the movement of somebody with a knife stabbing. And you have that high sound which suggests metal and then there are brooding low tones what you might expect to hear looking down a dark hallway or across open water like the incessant rumble in jaws and common one. These days. The twisted reality scare distorting to expectations something that should be nothing. But good turns into the opposite. A good example is the lullaby fem- from one of my favorite or flakes Rosemary's baby. You have these many primal ways of scaring, people acoustically, and I think it has to do with function that we're used to using our ears as Larne mechanisms science tells us kublai theory isn't far off from the truth all of those elements. He mentioned scarce for a reason, it's why we use words like primal or visceral to describe fear. Scary sounds act as a stimulus and voca biological response. From our bodies Daniel blunt Stein studies evolution and biology at the university of California in Los Angeles. And he's curious about why certain sounds vote this fear response in people, but he's not a fan of horror movies would got him thinking about this was much cuter marmots marmots are kind of like big squirrels and through a certain deputies experience. I had I was holding baby marmot and suddenly it screamed, and I had this emotional response. And I wondered why I'm having a motion response to a rodent, you know, screaming and just for reference. This is what a screaming baby mar. It sounds like. Daniel says when he heard that his body reacted his heart. Skipped a beat. And he started thinking, maybe there's a general principle at play. That can help us understand why we respond certain ways to certain types of music, and and certain types of soundtracks. So we started looking at the screams on spectrums. That's kind of a visual representation or voiceprint of different sound components, and what was striking about marmot screams is the illustrated things that bioacoustics would call non linear at his known linear areas in sound occur. When a system like vocal cords in a moment or speakers stereo are overblown. Think of those jarring noisy squeals, and distortions that come out of broken speaker. Raspy staticky some of these may be rapid frequency up shifts and rapid frequency downshifts, which might come across his wobbles. He found that noisy sorts of sounds naturally produced by vocal cords in alarming circumstances, make us feel afraid. I think the people that have been making films music have implicitly known this. But what our work has shown is sort of the reason why this I officers links us to our ancestors, not just our human ancestors, but our non human ancestors Kubilay owner, the music professor says that makes sense to him as a film composer. He plays with the timeless tools that help spook audiences. But he says cultural context changes over time music that scared people one hundred years ago. Like this Bach Takada, which might conjure images of Dracula sounds a bit kitschy today. One of the problems that you have as a composer. Is that everything that works tends to lose potency? And so you have to reinvent the wheel with some regularity. So remember people like him are out there right now trying to scare you in biology is on their side. For the pulse. I'm xtreme. Len move scared watching those movies or just listening to max green talk in that scary voice. Our body goes on high alert our heart rate speeds up and so does our breathing. And it's not just what you're feeling other people can pick up on those signals too big is raised browse, and this little grimace our bodies will get tensor, they'll often sort of shrink down a little bit. We've been smell different Mona frightens that psychologists Abigail Marsh. Her book is the fear factor. And she's been researching an interesting correlation between the ability to detect fear in others and to polar opposite posts analogy types, what she's found is that people who are very Auschwitz take or benevolent are really good at detecting other people's fear psychopaths on the other hand are terrible at reading this emotion. That's right. So I. Another researchers as well have studied people who are psychopathic and have found that they're really bad at detecting other people are afraid, so if you show them what to most people would look like a really, vivid fearful facial expression. They have a lot of trouble detecting. What it is. In fact, one of my colleagues in England tells a great story of psychopathic felon that she was interviewing and she had showed him a whole series of facial expression than he'd missed every single fearful expression. And he got the last one and he knew he was doing badly. And and said when he saw it, you know, I don't know about that expression is called. But I know that's what people look like right before you stabbed him. So he knew he'd seen this expression before and he could even come up with where he'd it. But he he couldn't link it to an emotion, but why does that lack of recognition lead to psychopathic behavior while the idea is that if you can't recognize what somebody else's feeling that's an index for the fan. That you can't really understand emotion and other people and part of the problem with people who are psychopathic is that they don't experience fear strongly themselves. And so they're literally having trouble empathizing with that emotion and other people, and so because of that they don't really understand why it's even bad to make people feel frightens we use the term psychopaths sort of loosely in our society. But how is it defined for your work? What is this? I ca- path. That's a great question. Yeah. The worst hang path has come to meet a lot of different things. People who study psychopathy usually boil it down, this sort of central thing that makes people who were psychopathic different is there in sensitivity to other people's distrust or suffering, but that goes along with a number of other things that are common and people were psychopathic including being manipulative holidays in trouble with impulse control and engaging in lots of different kinds of social behavior. Including aggression. That's not the result of frustration or fit of rage. But that's sort of Cooley deliberately planned out to hurt other people and on the other side of that coin because you have found that people who are very altruistic are better at recognizing fear. Does that mean when we see fearing another person there is a mechanism that makes us care and help that person perhaps? Yeah, it seems like what happens when we see somebody else who's afraid is it kicks off this amazing little chain-reaction inside our Brehm that ultimately leads us to care for the way that person is feeling and that chain reaction depends fundamentally on processes with any magdala. So somehow the Bill Abel's us to probably stimulate what that person's feeling create a little sort of internal shadow of what the feeling if you're feels like. And then in addition probably with the help of this little hormone oxytocin that is active in him. I love it also stimulates in a the desire to want to help the person who's feeling frightened as well. And depending on the person how strong motive to carries really varies a lot between people. What does all of this mean, your findings in terms of what we need to know about fear? How we relate to others. What are the big takeaway points? One of the things. I hope people realize about fear is what do useful emotion, it is not just from self-preservation standpoint. But because our own ability to feel this motion, which I think some people wish they didn't have, you know, it seems like it'd be a nice thing to go through life. Fearless. And yet our ability to feel emotion allows us to connect with that same emotion and other people and leads us to care about other people who are in trouble on. So I think hopefully, people will come away with the new appreciation for this sort of amazing motion. That's like holidays Abigail Marsh. Book is the fear factor. Just said fear is an amazing emotion. And I think part of that is because it's so nuanced it warns us, but it can also challenge us in different ways facing your fears can be liberating or even thrilling. That's why people love rollercoasters, right? Take a listen to this a while back. We sent reporter Joe Hernandez to try a ride at six flags New Jersey. It's called zoom on gyro, the drop of doom. I wait in line. Maybe get strapped in ready. Get all take the slow road to the top of the tower. Pause and enjoy the view now, I think I was not the peo- myself at that. And then the drop. About two hundred and fifty feet of free fall at ninety miles an hour. Five seconds barreling straight down go everything just to test. I didn't think my stomach was going to stop. It's not quite floating. But it it's kind of a scary floating. So people love it. They hated they definitely get a kick out of this experience. Many of us seek out things that push our limits skydiving mountain climbing, but some choose edgier extremes page Pfleger reports on a practice that might look scary. But those who do it say it releases a lot of bottled up emotions inside a windowless warehouse Kirsten Janna chef skis lying on her back on a massage table. She's wearing a bra and bike shorts and has dots of black marker all over her body on her collar bones ribs, her thighs, her kneecaps and her shins five people are standing around her with rubber gloves and surgical face masks on their each holding a large metal hook about the size of a coat hanger would good. Each of them pinches, Christian skin and lines the hook up with the dots of marker from. Then they drive the folks through her flesh at the same time. Her eyes are closed, and she shaking show Kirsten is here to do body suspension. Basically Tang from the ceiling by those hooks and her skin people run because it's an adrenaline endorphin rush. You know releases those those good feelings suspension does the same kind of thing. It's all those same kind of internal drug natural drugs that happened with it. Sometimes she suspends as a celebration something good going on in her life and other times like this one she suspending because things have been really hard lately, the suspension definitely helps start that movement that, you know, more of a positive mental attitude helps clear all that kind of negative emotions that I have going on. She compares it to going to therapy, which would make this guy her therapist. My name's Jeremy my last name, smart, we up so too stupid. I'm actually the team leader. I gonna spotty suspension Jeremy Kim across body suspension years ago during a difficult time in his life. He's a veteran and was struggling with post traumatic stress. So he decided to try it out. He remembers the first time when the hooks went in, and they started lifting him when my before like a nuclear bomb went off inside man average, just like all everything just pushed out at like the speed of light. And I was just like just blown away by it and matter of minutes, my eyes were or wider than ever been before. Then I felt completely rejuvinated and completely new and like a totally different human being. He was well hooked these days every other weekend. He and his team needed the warehouse and facilitate suspensions for other people for all sorts of reasons could be loss of a family member. It could be a relationship, you know, could be loss of child the birth of a child. Nothing feels as good as being able to provide individuals with the means. Do kind of challenge themselves overcome a lot of fears all that negativity. That's balled up and sits on your shoulders. It's like just letting the weight loose minnow defy gravity for a minute. Nothing matters. There hasn't been any research on the impact of bodies expansion on the mind or the body guy tried to peruse the medical literature. If there is any comment or anything about and there wasn't really much that I could find that's term apologised tools lip off. So I wouldn't want to overstate the risks. I wouldn't want to say, you definitely can't ever do this but medically I can't really recommend it. He has one main where about bodies expansion anytime. There's a penetrating injury into the skin or any part of the body. There certainly is primarily risk of infection. So even in the most sterile environments like when we do surgeries or cut things out of the skin still sometimes they're infections in risks back at the wear. House Kirsten chefs skis ready to go the hooks are dealing from her skin before she goes up. She's taking a quick smoke break. I don't necessarily feel strong as what I normally do. So this one's definitely make me nervous. But I know one's what's up. It's going to prove to me again that I'm stronger than I'm feeling she climbs back onto the table and assumes the position for her suspension leaning back one leg bent in the other straightened, Jeremy carefully loops of rope through the hooks criss crossing back and forth forming a web between Kirsten and the rig hanging from the ceiling above her the room is tense as the rig is raised slowly pulling the hooks and stretching Kirsten skit. Beautiful. Your body leaves the table, suddenly she's floating in the air Jeremy steps away admiring Kirsten, like a piece of artwork. He's just created. She beings leading her body, relax. She hangs there for about fifteen minutes, and Jeremy gently swings her the way apparent what a child on swing set. She asked to come back down the moment. Her body hits the table. She begins to crack. Jeremy kneels next to the table and holds her hands encouraging her to let go. Thank you. Very much. Thank you for making me crazy. I needed it. Now that feeling that you get after like a massage refill really really late. Yeah. That's what you feel like that's what I feel. Just feels like my body's weight lifts right now toss them. Page Pfleger reported the story. At this wonderfully colorful to fake of her. This stupid cupboards called small st- coming up what's up with these? I don't know creepy videos of people whispering. Eventually my whole scalp. Feels like it's lit up like there's this electric sort of very low volt charge that sort of ripples across the whole thing. That's next on the pulse door. It's so soft and so comfortable, even sounds comfortable, supporting the pulse. The coryell institute for medical research, enabling scientific discovery around the world through turnout collections of cell lines and DNA from the National Institute on aging and National Institute for general Medical Sciences. Learn more at coryell dot org today. We're talking about stuff that scares us and creeps us out a while ago. I started noticing these weird videos online where you watch people do a mundane task and often somebody is whispering along narrating. What's happening? The key term here is A M R it stands for autonomous sensory. Meridian response. We don't know how common this is. But people who experience this phenomenon report getting pleasant brain tingles when they are watching these videos, accompanied by a sense of Welby. Being. So we wondered is there any science to explain what's going on. Molly Siegel found some emerging research. But her reporting started close to home with her boyfriend when I got the Email from Devon I was confused. He sent me a link to a YouTube video. In it. We see a close up of someone handling parcel, and then unwrapping it. The sound sharp emphasizing each crinkle to me, it's boring. But my boyfriend says when he puts headphones on to listen to those kind of sounds their cure lis-, the sound sort of will start in mice, for example, my radio and that sort of translates into almost like this electric feeling that ripples across my scalp for him. It's a trigger video. It's starts those brain tangles slowly sounds sort of start to culminate until eventually my whole scalp. Feels like it's lit up. Like, there's this electric sort of. Char's that sort of ripples across the whole thing. And then it puts me into this, very relaxed state. That s on boxing video has more than one hundred thousand views in there are lots of different trigger videos out that a click of lenses during refraction test at the eye. Doctor the sound of scissors around your head at a barbershop soft whispering in your ear. But what's happening in your brain? To ask I visited the memory disorders clinic at Saint Michael's hospital in Toronto. Louis Fornos Ari. He's in urologist who studies cognition, memory and behavior, but clear that is in the Navia that is feeling then in the stages. Lewis hasn't conducted his own studies on S Amar. But he does see some similarities between AS Amar and sinister Shia and urological phenomenon that crosses connections in your brain people with since the since things differently. They might experience number as a color, for example, Lewis thinks AS Amar is similar is sensory experience that if it insensitive seamless getting totally different responses, so someone with Cynthia might experience, a taste when I experience a color or sound my boyfriend feels tingling in his scalp and his brain when he watches and listens to the mar trigger videos, but when I watch one nothing neurologist, Stephen Smith also sees similarities between. And sinister Shia he teaches at the university of Winnipeg in Canada. So my research looks at the neuroscience of motion and emotion captures our attention and influence how we move. There isn't a lot of research on SM are yet. But Stevens team is one of the few with peer reviewed and published research into the phenomenon in their first study, they scan the brains of twenty two people half of them experience Amar and the other half don't to map the differences between the two groups. The scientists started with baseline brain scans while the subjects were awake. But not focusing on anything in particular, even that kind of doing nothing state a team of neurons firing in your brain. Let's call them team. The scientists found that in the brains of people who experience as'more not only where the team Anyar ons firing the neurons associated with attention and vision were also active that's called crosstalk for people with ASO Amar. There's a much greater. Lending those networks, so they're not quite as distinct would be on the rest of us since then Stephen and his team surveyed five hundred eighty people half of them experiencing some are within the relatively small sample. The scientists discovered that people experiencing AS Amar had certain personality traits. They were generally more open to new experiences Stephen thinks that could explain why individuals feel Asom are in the first place. Their minds may be more open to those unusual brain tangles. The scientists also found people who experience some are prone to neuroticism and more likely to have anxiety or depression. There are a lot more ups and downs for people with some are. And they have to find some way to deal with it. And that might be why so many people use Esa Mars, relax because they're trying to find some way to cope with the ups and downs that they're experiencing. Meanwhile, could someone like me someone who hasn't experienced in response ever. This feeling I gave it one last shot and got my boyfriend to play me one of his favorite videos. I put headphones on I closed my eyes. The guy has a bar of soap with some plastic packaging, and he some moving it in front of a round special microphone. I don't think this is going to do anything for me. Yep. Nothing for the pulse. I'm Molly Siegel. So the research on AS Amar, and why some people enjoy these videos is still very new. But there is a lot of science on fear. And why people sometimes enjoy the feeling of being scared? It can give people a natural high of sorts the chemicals that are released during fighter flight when are sympathetic nervous system is activated. They're the same that are released when we're excited or surprised or happy. That's Margie Kerr associates who studies fear, and she says our enjoyment of this emotion has a lot to do with context. It's all about how we interpret the rush of endorphins, you can even see it. When somebody's watching scary move. You're going through one hundred house they scream, but then within milliseconds there, smiling laughing, and it's you can see how they've you know, kind of remembered I'm gonna save place. I'm not really endanger and all of that energy all of that excitement that went into the. Cream is now going into the laughing. But sometimes fund scary turns into actually scary as in legitimately terrified. So I ask people on Facebook. What movie put you over the edge, the horror film that has left the most lasting impact on me his nightmare on elm street? The exorcist is the scariest movie I've ever seen. All eight away the entire terrified. My sister actually took our ouija board and throw it in the dumpster across the street from our house. I think I still may need some therapy to this day. I can't say freddy's full name. I can't look at pictures of him. I can't think about the movie in any detail for two months after I had to move a light into the corner that I could see for my bed or I wouldn't be able to sleep on frigging myself out right now who is going to be scarred by which movie depends on the person. But sociologists Margie curses kids are especially vulnerable for really young kids kids who haven't reached the stage of development where the understand what is fake, and what is real. So you know, they may see a person in a a witch costume and believe that they're really going to hurt them. So that's you know, two young at the. At that age too. We are remembering things that are scary. Really? Well, and that becomes the thing of huger nightmares. That kind of thing happened to listener Alex Schmidt. She had a really scary experience in a haunted. Maze. When she was a kid. She had a panic attack employees had to pull her out through an emergency exit. But as an adult she was able to get over that I decided to face my fears a couple years ago at an event called the great horror campout in Los Angeles where you camp out in tents overnight and monsters kind of common drag you out of your tent and do all these really scary things to you and believe it or not it actually worked after several hours of being in this situation. The monsters got kind of old, and I got used to them, and I had seen all of them multiple times. And I was like, I know you're deal. You're not scaring me anymore, and it actually kind of cured me. And now. I sort of like haunted houses, and I sort of like scary movies. So trying your fears. It actually might cure you probably to Alex. But I have to say when I was done going through that haunted house visited I could not wait to leave a never come back. Best noise ever. That's our show for this week the post production of WHYY in Philadelphia, you can find us on itunes, or whatever you get your podcast. 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Ghost Stories 2019

The Thinking Atheist

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Ghost Stories 2019

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Great Courses Plus you can watch the science of fear or anyone of thousands of lectures on any topic you can think of with a fantastic offer an all access in your toes while you sleep in your bed licking your nose with the tongues of the dead looming above you and Kost take the risk of thinking feel so much happiness truth fusion wisdom will come to you that way nothing spurts in their fields and streaming right to you on your schedule will be a computer or on your phone with the great courses APP anytime anywhere right now at the and fear it can keep us ached you'll die so slowly dying of frightened we'll capture your screen on that pitiful note ground welcome to hell throat like the rope other news but there's no escape now he was summoned here so your every day lesson in fear wish you not conjured asa from the wish you not stirred us the population of this country is going through the rule rejecting faith filling knowledge challenging the sacred is while we were asleep suffer you will down to every cell for you found our sleeping it will reach down and legit just under your through you wrestle and Lurch and you try to break loose from the hands on Carmen winstead was seventeen years old you told the truth is because I tell the truth because I put my hand on Bulkin made a wish and working together for more Russian world awkward and shy not many friends and a cloak of sadness all around her she'd recently relocated from another city old page she would retrieve her lunch bag to find that someone had poured something inside of it glue or mud or worse her l. her teacher everything that had been happening it was just before the end of the school day when a fire drill was announced in the gang of five decided but finally even the shy diminutive Carmen decided that she had had enough and she told the gang that she was going to stay behind after school the top that the girls had removed only minutes before and it wasn't long before a gang of teasing girls pushed little carmen toward it taunting her frightening her ignoring her pleadings to just stop please stop and then the girls pushed her down fire alarm rang and the students funneled out into the school yard at the end of the yard near the fence was a sewer drain it had around gusting place they pushed her in and looked down upon her with glee already anticipating the terrified look on her face at the bottom unmoving accepted her face was now smashed and bloody her body inert and lifeless termine that she broke her neck on a concrete shelf at the bottom of the sewer they called it a freak accident emergency worker said they'd never forget that contorted never let her forget it especially a gang of five that bullied her relentlessly they called her the most terrible of names one is terrible it's so terrible the investigators believe their story and upon the retrieval of Carmen Winston's body it was I was push eight carmen had forgotten their schoolbooks on a classroom desk and when she came back to get them she found that someone had written hateful words in Sharpie on every single but the moment they look down into the sewer they realized that something had gone terribly wrong Carmen winstead into that whole laughing and pointing and sneering and raveling in the humiliation that helpless Carmen would feel in such a vile and expression the look of terror on that girls broken face shortly afterward the five girls began reporting and try as she might to fit in she was just too different for many at the other students carmen was different than the other girls at schools that this was a prime opportunity to stop carmen inner tracks and humiliate her once again this time in front of the entire school the another would be brushing her teeth and a hand would touch her on the back but she was all alone the girls would hear laughter from cover left open their necks broken their faces smashed and contorted their fate sealed all five of these girls called the girls decided to tell their teachers it was all an accident Carmen had merely wandered to that corner of the yard and somehow just fallen in that Walker was constantly vandalized she lived every day in fear and misery and loneliness and the authorities have still found no trace no clue no evidence for why any of them had died only the bodies discovered like you are being watched you are in a place of isolation you are naked vulnerable and you feel another presence now back from the grave and determined for all eternity to keep pushing back something was crawling up from the sewer itself and on one chilly October morning the girls met each other in the school yard their faces white their eyes filled with tears their hands trembling each one of them had awoken that morning gotten outta bed started Gary ations on the same story one would be taking a shower and she would feel a finger touching her shoulder but no one was there list Carmen's death all five covered it up all five are now covered again by the caskets and the dirt and the gravestone the well only the aftermath is Carmen winstead spirit live on well it is said that when you go into the air routine with the usual hot shower but each in different neighborhoods in different houses at different times had emerged from the shower you see words written by a finger on the steamed bathroom mirror for each girl the words were exactly the same front yard and sitting around the Campfire Michael Freddy and Jason and they've got sticks with these fake marshmallows made a styrofoam and then the fire is really ingenious hi one each of the five would suddenly disappear at random times their bodies eventually discovered inside the school yard sewer with the it's the story they told to the police when the investigation began we don't know why she fell in she just walked over there suddenly disappeared and it was bathroom and you get that creepy feeling and we all know the feeling you look around the corner you check behind the shower curtain you fear something slithering up out of the drain you hear the sound of pipes rattling you feel a sudden chill you double check everything because it feels you can find it just search for Seth Andrews Ghost stories on audible dot com or at I tunes thanks so much for the support it's a great book or at least the annual tradition it's something I do because I love the Halloween holiday and we just sit around the virtual campfire and tell ghost stories and I'll camp the broadcast beyond the walls even when no one else was nearby some said they were sitting on the toilet and they felt a touch from inside the bowl as really ingenious and so you know everybody in these characters aren't scary anymore back when they first came out they frightened generation but these days learn how to do it on youtube but you just take orange lights flickering clashing holiday lights and you spray this insulating foam on top and you throw twigs on Oh book it released last year it's nearly four hours of again highly produced content really good stuff voice actors sound effects the works in the room some people say it is Carmen winstead discarded in the sewer so many years ago humiliated and pushed to her death Rach again on Youtube you take a pvc pipe and you make a skeleton like a six foot skeleton life-size skeleton and then inside we does not scary in that way not really and so I thought well you know it'll just be fun and funny and I learned how to build them from asked with a about a thirty five minute original and highly produced goes story just for you if you like that kind of thing support my ghost stories audience being an eighties child a fan of Michael Freddy and Jason You know from the classic films I thought wouldn't it be funny to do a campfire scene Oh yeah that's just a rule of goes stories if you drop a little girl down into a well get ready for bad things to happen she will reemerge people drag parities that they're not really scary anymore even the forty year Halloween remake or not remake but the sequel with Jamie Lee Curtis it wasn't a bad film but Michael Masks go on top and and so as they were starting to come together Natalie looked at me and she goes these look scary I hope it is I think it is and if you love Halloween it'll be a great addition to the holiday so thanks so much for the support I had such great plans for my Halloween display this year ass all the way down into the taps of Heydays it sat andrews it's Ghost Stories Twenty nineteen if you're new to the broadcast this is an the jason was really imposing looking and so it was October first and I have the rest of the scene built I've got tombstones out the off the porch to come over and then I saw another couple walking up the street and I actually heard I'm not making this up I heard the guy say oh that's yeah and neighbor across the street brought out his little girl to the front porch I think she was curious she likes to see my fog machine every year but they didn't even stepped and I'm like oh it'll be fine don't worry about it she said there are young children in the neighborhood these look scary you're gonNA scare the neighbor kids all they're gonna be people complaining about the House that nobody wants to go near because their four year olds are having nightmares at night I didn't know what to do a fair is something about the way they'd came out there's something about the way that they look when they are lit they are really good move but after all of that time all of that effort you know all the gluing of the PVC pipe and the elbows and measuring everything out and going to I went to goodwill to get the clothes my three icons in in front of the Campfire and as soon as I sat them down and lit them I realized Holy Shit they're terrified air and I've got kind of a laser floor that hits the grass and if the fog machine hits it just ride it looks like a swamp and then I've got these three elevated chairs and I put scare him and they must have been talking about their child and I realized that I was probably going to end up on the neighborhood facebook page with left garage and so I I have no idea what to do with them like they're you know piece together with spit and Tin Foil here the TAB and you dusted with black and red spray paint and then you just plug it in at night and it looks like flickering Kohl's embers it looks like a campfire at night it's it's one of the best known ghost stories of the American sat there and looked at my handiwork Natalie's handiwork we just looked at each other and I'm like I can't do it I cannot do it I do not WanNa scare young ended up so I have a Halloween display their photographs on facebook but we had to call an audible because quite frankly I did not want to be responsible for psychologically damaging the four genuinely scary especially to a young child and Natalie just looked at me she's like you're going to scare the neighbors you're gonNA scare the neighbor children well as if on cue two things happen after all of that they're lying whenever I whenever I pull into the garage in my car looking at me or Michael Freddy and Jason and they after dark when you should be home in bed or else you might just run into Haagen molly anyone and everyone who grew roles in this neighborhood and there are a great many of them but I am I am delighted to be participating in the Halloween holiday season I am so jacked so ready so the these three icons they have everybody knows them they're not going to be scary it's fine but I did have to admit that at about six feet tall especially south stemming back to the end of the Nineteenth Century Abbey Ville Alabama if you're in this area you probably don't want to get caught walking around Freddie and Jason are like the guys you're bump into it a reunion they become so familiar there's so ubiquitous we see them on memes and gags and there's so many costumes up in the deep south probably is already heard about hugging molly and how she got her name mom used to say don't be out after dark Haagen molly will get children it's supposed to be fun and so as soon as I put them out I went over and I grabbed each effigy and I judged it in the garage sir broadcast is part of the celebration of the season for me in a great many people so I hope you feel the same and I thank you so much for listening rapper arms around you put her mouth to your ear and scream like the tormented in hell she walks now if she sees you outside far from home well after dark it said that she will suddenly chase you down and in the days after none of these girls found a restful night or enjoyed any kind of real peace and one filled it with chicken wire for the chest Kinda fill out the chest and body area you take pop bottles for the arms underneath and you put clothing over the top of it with shoes and of course the more of a good witch in a way although her description doesn't sound like any good witch I've ever heard of she is a phantom seven feet tall welcome sign actually has the words home of Haagen molly with an image of a large woman chasing a child on the side there's a restaurant named after was and you know or not goodwill salvation army to get to get some clothes that looked like the clothes they would wear I bought the Michael Myers coveralls I had the masks ready this ghost a kind of helper I suppose haagen molly helping the wary mothers who want their children home and safe when the sun goes down and I replaced him with skeletons which are innocuous and funny and one of them's waving to the street and they're not scary at all and and it turned out to be you said that hugging molly is a witch she's not the kind of which they would snatch you up and sacrifice you or cook you up in the oven I guess she so excited about October thirty first see all the kids come over in their costumes we're going to candy ready and we're GonNa Watch scary movies and it's going to be an amazing time and and pop bottles and chicken wire and gorilla tape it's not like I can put him on Ebay and sell them but anyway that's that's kind of where I am his big around as a bale of cotton she only appears at night walking the streets of Abbey bill sweeping her black skirt along the ground if he was a man of great wealth and many servants now according to legend would drift began a torrid affair with one of his servants and attractive get back to your life with CBD medic available online and that CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. Here's one more from the haunted South Legendary Ghost of Francis Ville Louisiana doc or hug and molly will get you and she may give you a hug and scream that might make you never want to go outside again to the resident of Bab Bill duggan molly is as real as the trees that Russell and the wind at night the town has the story to it sounds a bit like Spanish Telenovela it so complicated on the myrtles plantation in Francis Ville the owner's name was Clark Woodruff so far over one hundred years they've told their children oh yeah go out to play do your chores go wherever you may go but make sure your home before dark young woman named Chloe but eventually he grew tired of Khloe and she knew it Khloe became jealous and very worried that she would be sent away out of the House back into the fields for backbreaking labor and so she started to eavesdrop on Clark eavesdropping ear in the days after that to hide the wound and the scar khloe would wear a green scarf around her head Kevin Unknown I've Got Greg on the switchboard Greg you're on the thinking Atheist Ghost Stories podcast turn away Clark Woodruff discovered this eavesdropping and he became enraged so enraged that he took a kitchen knife and he sliced off her were unknown at this time but he certainly was shocked to find his former love swinging from the large tree behind the servants quarters a punishment for Jose young attractive woman lurking in shady corner of the home with green scarf around her head perhaps Khloe still there crimes he did not yet know committed and revenge for the death of the innocent there's a mysterious photograph that was taken on the Myrtles Plan Evil Khloe and they dragged her to a nearby tree tied a rope around her neck and lynched her on the spot Clark Woodruff's affection once again it was only Mr Woodruff Fan Khloe there to receive him but the other servants had watched this story unfold and they knew about the poison in the weeks after she was so cruelly injured Khloe concocted a plan now it's not known if she wanted revenge against the woodruff's or if she simply you're eavesdropping upon all who enter desperately hoping that she'll get to stay right there in the house and not be sent away to a destination tation in one thousand nine hundred ninety two to photograph of the House but even though the place was not occupied at the moment the photo was taken the image clearly I was even on the other sides of walls with a teacup to her ear so she could hear of someone was talking about her preparing to discard her and send to the left of it is VCR and then a right to the left of that is one of these touch to turn on lamps in Clark Woodruff to herself but she poisoned birthday cake that was eaten by the wife and children and the three of them slowly died S. Tower you you've had a ghostly encounter of some kind what are we talking about I've had I've had an encounter of something I can't explain what about they decided they would not let this heinous murder of an innocent woman and her children stand and so one day when the House and property were empty they grabbed ninety eight ninety nine something like that and so I got to explain the setup here it's I've got a crt and then the best I can say about it will describe the encounter what happened all house watching TV and this was back in the late nineties your ejects its cassette and the tug Salim turns on two clicks which honestly and it was it was uniform the lines were evenly spaced I figured okay that's just something weird with a network or a lot then the so what happened was the the was awful then the way it was off the plugged and the TV just starts going leave another door in the house and it was and I told them that they told me that that creates a gateway to the spiritual and that was like hope I'm thinking in my own honest I haven't heard anything about that at all anywhere it I don't know where they got that later I was telling a friend and they asked me if the door room was directly across from information I think out of the ASS is probably a good possibility I'm just throwing it out there I'm stuck on the VCR like we've all had a power bump and the lights you something funky but when the VHS player jacks the video cassette just ejects it right there in the middle of whatever didn't make any sense I didn't like electrical pass through here or what and honestly I didn't think much of it at all I was turned off the land back to make sure that there wasn't anything wrong with the stuff in and I just went back to my stuff and it wasn't I told the story it wasn't until watching that to me is kind of freak and we've got me was the whole thing was sequential it's like something was moving across from from the intentionally spirit activity you know the ghost of maybe betamax going after vhs. I mean I don't know what's your house if I have any doors that are exactly opposite of each other that have the opened a portal someone actually of the right and Ooh I heard some interesting eary's about various like things called the most interesting thing I heard was things called quantum states because it's so my thinking was always there had to be dependent like energy flux in power or something like that but that didn't really it was from the direction of the door to the director of window so in your mind to me looking at it as a rationalist I'm guessing you're rationalists do you think it's even necessarily bought into a supernatural explanation year thinking there's an explanation rooted in the real world as a physicist is that your take Oh yeah but there's world and it passes through some kind of filter in which other people then see it or experience it that's the theory that this person was paused right right that's the gist summer it's like that it's possibly a an echo of something in the real world that is of life it was some it wasn't a paper it was something some guy at work had shown me on the Internet but it was interesting the theory was that there's been disappearances drownings and we're boating accidents I can't really be explained. In the ninety farmland businesses homes memories the federal government relocated more than two hundred fifty family so the Georgia can have this lake also moved were twenty cemeteries and the bodies buried within them Lake Linear seems unable to escape the turbulence that had great stories but there's not necessarily any proof but I still love the stories you get a so greg for sharing that with us I mean honestly if I was sitting make sense either as an electrical current moves kind of it doesn't go sequentially like that but the Kayak the fishing boat especially to a place where you can't be seen by other people there's just something about this late thanks for being a part of the ghost stories broadcast this year much appreciated thanks to finish all and Amos American poet Sidney Lanier the lake buried beneath its surface so many places so many legacies fifty nine square miles of summer Lake Lanier so far this year on lake eleven people have drowned or died at boating accidents with hundreds of lives lost since the lake was formed there and all of a sudden there is a pattern on the television and the V. C. R. Ejected the tape and then the lights came on I'd be looking around once or twice myself and you know it sounds like that some locals have said that the lake itself is cursed they say don't put a line in the water don't swim beyond the peers don't take the canoes fifteenth already been to drownings here they are more dangerous in the water that we should be really concerned about their loved one trout after a day out on the lake in fifty s in north Georgia the army corps of Engineers flooded the foothills of the north Georgia mountains to create lake linear named after the swimmers in calm waters and suddenly they sank below the surface each of them feeling hands clutched around their ankles ragging them down they bruises on their ankles strangely shaped and the outlines of thumbs and fingers bruises that could not be explained talk if ghosts doing this or something like that could exist then it's related to kind of the best way to explain it I can't honestly that again there's no chance crap raced of that so the theory is that something has happened in the real great for a ghost story so it was it's the only thing I've ever had in my life that happened that times had absolutely no explanation for awesome thanks for sharing as you know when you have somebody following too closely at night and their lights are in your eyes and you're driving and you switch a mirror up to the here's a ghost story that email to me with cold bony fingers reaching upward toward the surface waiting waiting for the casual swimmer or the rubber raft or the boat waiting for the next unsuspecting swimmer to pass by meeting more and more of them in the last decade or so it's Kinda cool anyway says this he said I was in the basement doing laundry while my son economy in retrospect VCR's how do you feel about it sense 'cause to so many who call this place home the lake is seen an alarming number of freak accidents and mysterious drownings so many four years old was playing down there too he starts talking to himself which I pay no attention to because kids do that after a few propeller to add yet another name to the underwater cemeteries that should have found new places of rest what which now sit oh there have been a few drowning survivors who narrowly escaped only to tell a terrifyingly similar story they said that they had been intas possible I strut to the other end of our unfinished basically dungeon basement and peak around the furnace to find nothing there my son place to rest but buried again under thirty eight thousand acres of water the corpses emerging from the mud and the rocks and the current via listener. His name is also seth and it's nice to see some representation out there my friend twenty when I was growing up seth was not a common name but I'm opt just outside the kitchen door where I couldn't see around the corner I heard the word thumb in an unfamiliar voice King I assumed one of my children was out of bed watching TV and heard me coming so I announced don't let me catch you outta bed Sir you'll get thumb else okay bye from the other room and when I asked who he was talking to he said Laurie went to her cave. They're looking at me I could not move I was so scared but intrigue at the same time when I finally blinked it was gone the original owners of the home where named John and Lori Bends the second occurrence was even more terrifying W T F keep in mind I do not believe in the supernatural one bit but that got my hair standing on end looking as confidence slowly and saw near the street by one of our trees the silhouette that I had dreamed about not five minutes prior it was just standing a window above it to look out into the yard while I was feeling my bottle I heard more footsteps at a walking pace coming toward me they st is it happened in the dead of night I actually like scary dreams I like waking from them and realizing they're not real and going back to sleep I woke from some Ski Gary Dream That I don't remember vivid details of the only thing I could recall was this weird silhouette of a monster stalking me I went to the bathroom and then you know monsters can get you in the light sat thanks so much for the submission great stories my friend I know what I heard an interesting but I think there's a proof of this I think that's the premise of the entire show named by the doctors who examined were there graveyard bodies that were missed way back in one thousand nine hundred fifty six the dead given no new Caminiti comes running into me and he asks if he can go play with the lady behind the furnace to her cave to go camping a few years ago we did a segment on these two sentence ghost stories there's actually some really good ones out there and more and more every single year it took me twenty minutes to talk myself into going back upstairs to bed turned on every light while I tracked through the House and kept the hallway light on because at first I thought it was the window until I heard it come from the mirror again she wondered why she was casting to shed if I knew it would be this lonely I would have been cremated instead I woke up to hear knocking on Glass Neil Gaiman the author and storyteller hosted special events the longer I wore it the more it grew on me she had such pretty skin the murdered by an intruder two years ago I never go to sleep but I keep waking up the knife it slices just like butter I tried to be a loving mother and finally the last thing I saw was my alarm clock flashing twelve oh seven before she pushed her long rotting nails through my chest or other and I began to hear popping in all of the time that I've lived alone in this house I swear to God I've closed for example I can't move breathe speak or here and it's so dark all the time more doors than I've opened my daughter won't stop crying and screaming in the middle of the night I visit her grave under the main floor to fill up my water bottle I keep on my nightstand on my way down the steps I heard someone walking around because the wood floors were creek and muffling my screams I sat bolt upright relieved it was only a dream but as I saw my alarm clock read twelve and I'm a fair dad so I didn't look for them I let them hide until they thought it was safe to escape back to their room are sink has ex- closet door creak open sheen which contemplates the psychology of y scary stories speak to us so powerfully and the essay read like the shadows deeper and most important remind us that we live and that there is something special something unique and remarkable about the state secret ghost story session where he ran a ghost story for the audience and then he followed it up with an essay called ghost in the machine ably to scare I don't know not really it goes way back we have ghost stories from ancient Egypt after all go story it's in the Bible classical go stories from Rome along with where wolves cases of demonic possession and of course over and over due to being alive fear is a wonderful thing in small doses your ride the ghost train into the darkness knowing that eventually the knows after all there was only a single lightbulb they delivered the mannequins in bubble wrap from the main room this and turned around right when I turned there was a light knock on the window behind me tap tap tap basically sweating I turned around ask Curtis stop but it doesn't help my wife woke me up last night too tell me there was an intruder in our house she ailing from the baby monitor just won't stop the problem is my daughter was with her mother this weekend over two hundred miles away things that haunt us can be tiny things a web page of voice mail message an article in a newspaper perhaps by an English writer thing to hurt us and this time of year is best for a haunting as even the most prosaic things cast the most disquieting shadows the it's time you go and look for it Neil gaiman ghost in the machine I've got Dan on the switchboard what infidelities or accountants or distant wars but ghosts send such things that don't exist and even if they do can do nothing nonsensical although the idea has to be nobody ever remembers reading but you and which simply isn't there the remembering Halloween's long gone and skeletal trees and winding lanes and darkness an article containing fragments of ghost stories in which witches we have been telling each other tales of other nests of life beyond the grave for a long time stories that trickled the flesh and make the thanks so much for being a part of the conversation today we're talking ghost stories I see in my notes here that you're a D. and D. player that's true did you grow up back in two thousand fourteen it was a Ted when Ted talk but it was a ted event it was a late night sort of a half in jazz happened not really it's good to be a child again for a little while and to fear not governments not regulations the hundred or sixty islands that lay upon lake lanier actually hilltop the points of them we own farms as a supposed curse here where if you swim in the water you boat in the water anything warned about the devil and demons inhale and all that stuff oh yeah it was definitely a part of the satanic panic my parents were very religious are very religious and were really really concerned they actually offered to buy all my books and they could burn them well you know just like a typical workday morning during this building and it's twenty six for building and we were taking out cubicles and then wars will open and you will step out into the daylight once again it's always reassuring to know that you're still here still safe that nothing assist said why tell ghost stories why read them or listen to them why take such pleasure entails that have no purpose but come from Woodworth and his wife and two children everywhere she could in every room in which they were talking khloe would lurk in the doorways the corners Shannon that I can't explain and still gives me the Hebrew DB's when I think about it today so this is twenty years ago back in nineteen ninety nine and I'm a woodworker by trade and the company I was working for was getting a little white on the work and so they didn't want to let me go so what they did was they found running amok to the top floor for storage and I should digress your second if you don't know anything about high rise buildings there's always a floor at least one that's called the maintenance my labor out to another company that they rented out and maintain modular furniture systems for companies so it can highrise buildings a lot of times the around your scary encounter or whatever it was what happened to you yeah so I've been a skeptic for a long time and I don't believe in the supernatural or anything like that but there's a story they have a company as a for the cubicles and deaths and all that sort of thing I rented out and then you know company just maintains them so we were we were out of told him I'd just use the money to buy new books the next edition so then we didn't do that so the evil so to speak well tell me about your ghostly or mechanical for and this is where they keep the bag communication system sprinkler systems sit top of the elevator shaft things like that because if you you know if you've been through building that you never seen any of that stuff that's because it's at the top that's what they do all their storage so we're taking this stuff up there and with that knowledge yeah well this is crazy place that doesn't exist is the kind of thing that happens when you play Dungeons and dragons you've opened the cheap flights and the doors open and Lo and behold there's the top four I don't even know what to say it it was you know we're like okay supervisor the guy who gave us the news you know in charge of the building and were like hey so what's above the twenty six four there what's going on up there and we look out and in front of us is what appears to be like a long hallway goes left and right directly out of that yeah and it just seems to go on for like forever there's no doors or anything like that that that are within sight just this long long hallway both directions with the else up there and we just kind of nodded looked at each other and then went about our day because neither of US had any idea what to do you're twenty four for twenty fifth he gets the twenty six and it just keeps going up and we like about two floors and we're just dead quiet because you don't know what the heck's going on right the doors open and is troubled lights that are are waiting it so I'm like yeah no no definitely not so both Kinda step back a little bit more into the elevator and remember this kind of vague home like if you've ever been in place with a lot of electricity and it just that's all there is and we're just staring at this and neither of us on can't remember which one of us one of presses the door closed button door closes and the elevator immediately starts to go down and it goes down about us and it's the weirdest thing because the it's all with nothing but trouble lights you know those red lights hanging on the walls like an emergency I can't remember exactly and we're just chatting we've got some stuff that we're going to offload we're watching the whites as go up like you do and it's like twenty Split by trouble lights red ones every like twenty to thirty feet and it's carpeted the walls are cement and it's just dead silent except for this kind of are willing to step out with right it's like I don't have any idea what's going on and I'm basically scared to death and I asked I asked my friend Mike I'm sure if you've been an elevator you'll see busy place for a key that allows you to get to restricted areas and there was one of my friends and we're going up for like the third or fourth mm-hmm went silent and just looked at each other 'cause that's the top of the building you know so it's it keeps going up and it goes up for what feels disappeared it's like I don't know this just dancing guy you know went off to work one day and just never came back or I don't know I tried to bring it up with that guy I don't know what's going on so we unwell the stuff and we'll get down to the four that we're working on like fourteen or fifteen four and we get off there and we go find the the maintenance go out there and he's like hell no guys you're just in your next out to peer down these hallways left and right a- and he looks at and says there's nothing about there there's no there force between six is the top there's an access hatch you can crawl out to get onto the roof but there's nothing portal to the spirit world and now you're accessing floors that do not exist so I've always wanted to like what would have happened if I stepped out on my what I have been one of those people that just like thinks I'm crazy but it's just gonNA think I'm nuts I'm like I don't know I can't explain it I'm interested in people who might be listening to who might be religious or spiritual and past that I've never been able to say you know okay well this means that I have some sort of proof because it's not proof but I certainly don't have an explanation either and be Halloween okay thanks so much of the show okay let me take a real short break when I come back I have read so don't go anywhere hear a story like this and when someone like you says I don't know they're like holy shit he added encounter with the spirit world and he's not prepared to admit it that's where I would go if I was yeah I guess I've just let it why because I don't know what to do with it yeah well it's a great story and it's a great addition to the show Dan thanks for sharing it with us and I hope you and yours have a hat enfor you and produced for you brand new and completely original ghost story it runs about thirty five minutes so you WANNA block about a half hour lever but you know you're right the point you're like I don't know what the hell happened but here's my story and that's kind of where you're at right yeah I've never been able to move it's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking 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I don't know how many years ago it was that I decided I was going to try no and that's it I'm like all right I don't know and and this is like I've told this story like twice to people but I don't I've never shared it because it's like keeping everybody you want to live CD medic target your pain at its source it's fast acting relief with active OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free hemp oil to finish the go stories broadcast with an original produced story. I was nervous about it you know and so I- released it it's my way of wishing you and yours a happy Halloween week later and he's like I don't WanNa talk about it all right if he knows sometimes the building you don't yeah building to see it's like twenty six floors scampered up onto the porch during the Doorbell Christie thank you so much for doing this please come in and dry from the nineteen fifties television show. Tom Was walking down the staircase in a suit and tie slightly older hair parted on the side across town one hundred bucks to sit on the couch make a few snacks and watch little billie play video games while she talked to her boyfriend admit the money was pretty good one hundred dollars to watch a ten year old until midnight while Tom and Lindsey Kellerman attended some kind of a fundraiser taken in the fridge if he gets hungry and there's ice cream in the freezer but don't let him go crazy okay Christy nodded taking mental notes Gough Lindsey Kellerman was bright eyed animated woman in her mid thirties dressed so properly that she seemed to have been time warped in remember Saturday babysitting it wasn't a glamour Gig but the cattleman seemed like nice people on the phone and she had for me as a storyteller in producer every single year I can guarantee that I'm able to do this every October but this year yes I have gone back to my leg the house is all yours make yourself at home you've got my number saved in your phone saved right here Kristie replied we're GonNa be late but and the response was just so overwhelmingly positive that I started to do it every single year we've had some interesting stories we've had the handprints air and I have concocted a witches brew my friends The story contains no actual which is just a figure of speech but I certainly hope you win Gioia again it runs about thirty five minutes so lower the lights crank up the volume get yourself in a place where you can really get into it and thanks so much for listening ahead only recently been introduced the garage door opened the couple got into the station wagon the key it pulled up at the home of blistering rain she hated driving in the weather but there were a few hours grade light laughed on this stormy the Cat Herman's gathered the rest of themselves and stepped through the door leading into the garage just one car sharing to spaces and on the phone beats fast food and minimum wage for sure she parked on the left and to the driveway through the umbrella over her head and Max battery with select purchase Dewalt Atomic family of power to only at the home depot more saving more doing see store for details US only eighteen seventies tiny white wall tires and little outlines of rushed around the edges announcing that the car and it's indoor parking spot we'll be back as soon as this thing is over should be around midnight call or text me if you need anything okay Lindsey's face was a constant reassure odd choice for these two Christie thought it was an old worn-out gunmetal grey station wagon that probably came off the line back in the early nine slicked back like a TV preacher he smiled and lead Lindy do all the talking billy's good kid he won't be any trouble there's left turned in the ignition and Christy started to close the door to the house when

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Water Cooler: It Chapter Two, Spirited Away, Pumpkinhead, The Leftovers, The Adventures of Pinocchio, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Halloween Horror Nights, The Color Factory

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Water Cooler: It Chapter Two, Spirited Away, Pumpkinhead, The Leftovers, The Adventures of Pinocchio, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Halloween Horror Nights, The Color Factory

"WHOEVER WANNA welcome to slash on daily for Monday September ninth two thousand nineteen on today's upset weren't talking about what we've been up to at the water cooler. This is slash on editor in chief. Peter sorretto joining me out to this podcast slash film Managing Editor Jacob Hall Ella Weekend Editor Domenico. Hey that's me senior writer our Ben Pearson. Hey what's going on in redder wide trend blew. Everyone okay I'm back. I just came back from Orlando. Chris is still gone when he is in Toronto at the Toronto International Film Festival in Checkup. You're preparing fantastic fast. One is that skin Guinness a week from Thursday so we me and and Christopher will be gone this time but I'm very excited. It's my favorite week of the year. When it comes to work events okay <hes> let's jump into what we've been doing. <hes> <hes> mention. I did travel to Orlando Florida. I just avoided Hurricane Doreen. I was worried for a couple of days there that <hes> athletes are going to be cancelled because I was supposed to defying him the same day that the eye of the storm was supposed to be over Orlando so <hes> it really the hurricane didn't really impact <hes> Orlando in Florida in a in the way it did <hes> elsewhere <hes> but <hes> I was so it's it wasn't like I was expecting to arrive arrive there and see like you know the aftermath of a storm but it really there was you could see some aftermath of preparations that for the storm that they were really came to pack them in any Major Way <hes> I flew out there <hes> Universal Studios Florida's flew me <music> out there or <hes> to experience Halloween Horror Nights. I have been going to holing Hornets in Universal Studios Hollywood. I think for the last decade plus and I love it and this is my first time going to Florida and experiencing it. There Florida is the place that kind of started is the twenty ninth a year of this thing where they have like the construct these like haunted mazes or I guess they call haunted houses out there we call them mazes in in in in California and <hes>. They I've always heard that it's bigger and better and <hes> that they have all these unique original mazes that we don't get in Hollywood and you know everything that was said is true just like everything else in Florida. They have more space east. They have probably either more budget or <hes>. I've I've heard conflicting things. Maybe it's the fact that <hes> I I've heard and that when you construct anything on a studio lot it has to be unionized so the the Labor that they're paying in Hollywood to construct these mazes. They're paying paying a lot more than what they're paying in. Florida to construct these mazes <hes> so they're probably paying a lot more people a lot less to create a lot better things things <hes> but it was a amazing experience. I videotaped it. <hes> the video is on ordinary adventures. We up would it the next morning we spent on editing. <hes> and it's gotten a lot of traffic. It's gotten like I think fifty thousand views so far <hes> but I would recommend checking that out because it was just great. If you've never experienced an event like this either in Hollywood or Orlando say watch this video and see what it's like <hes> <hes> maybe <hes> fast forward to if you're just GonNa Watch one section of the fast forward to the ghostbusters maze which Brad. I wish you could experience this. I wish you could go out to Florida and experiences because the ghostbusters maze was just so good so much fun. <hes> it like we were like. I don't know they watched the video Joe. I'll put a link to that in the show notes but I had a a amazing time. There Wall is in Florida. I did get to visit Hollywood studios and experience toy. We saw land for the first time which Jacob got experienced a couple months back. Is that right yeah back in June July at this point yeah I've watched a lot of videos videos of toy story land and to me it looked kind of like really a low budget and sad and the roller coaster didn't seem all that exciting. I will say being there in person. It's a lot more charming of inexperience actually be in that land in <hes> see all these oversights oversights things reminds me a lot of like bugs land and <hes> <hes> when I was kid I used to go to a there was like a honey actress kids area. I think of Hollywood studios I gets back then. MGM Studios and the <hes> The rollercoaster what is the roller coaster called up asleep slinky dog. Dash is a little bit more intense than you can. Tell from the videos like I was in the first car so I'm not sure if that does anything to it but like <hes> data doc celebration is a little fast and the ups and downs kind of <hes> actually made kietrice sick so so it's not like you're kiddie coaster. Would you agree with that. Yeah it has a definite kick to it and is launch coaster without being repelled quickly. You know not as intense other coasters as you know. It's for families ultimately we've but yeah. I think that ended seven strain over magic kingdom both walk a fine line between being <unk> families will also actually having a good thrill to them yeah and I I also got to experience <hes> the other side of galaxies edge the other side of the Galaxy <hes> which is very much like <hes> Disneyland England's version of galaxies edge but there there are a lot more differences than I thought they would be but they're mostly like more minor cosmetic things in <hes> changes in how things feel in so that we recorded a video that will probably be up this week or next week so you can check that out because it's pointless to go in depth about that but I did get to try the the alcoholic green and blue milk which basically just tastes like the blue and green milk from Disneyland with with with Tequila Rum in them and it also adding the alcohol I guess makes it a little less frozen so it's a little bit more of like a kind of frozen but more watery mess of a drink but I I enjoy them better <hes> than than without the alcohol versions and <hes> the the other thing I wanted to say is it's <hes> Florida's humid. I'm not sure if you guys know this but <hes> I was dying. Literally you know it was. I don't think I sweat more on the first day. Though is there in Orlando than I have ever sweat probably in history. My life combined right. It was like the East Coast Peter. It gets humid here and it's horrible. I used to live on the east coast. I lived in she sits and it wasn't that bad there. I don't know maybe my memory of it. Maybe just my body has become so accustomed to living on the west coast but like it was so bad that I was like doc. I think at one point I asked how do people live here like how how's it possible. It's like an alien environment that is not <hes> set for living creature but I mean it might also be like the worst of the worst and also like you know. The hurricane came off the coast. Maybe it sent more humidity the island now that I'm making excuses for them but no peter it truly is a horrible when I when I was down there earlier this summer for the Disney trip. I I sweat more in in those days. They have maybe twenty years living in Texas. It was awful. I was sweating so much that the sweat was going into my eyes. My <music> eyes were burning and then I forgot the mice Suntan Lotion whatever spray <hes> so. I bought some in the park which cost like sixteen dollars because they know how to screw you over because they're like you. You need this and you're not gonNA leave the park to go get it so we're GonNa Choji sixteen dollars for and I put that on and I don't know what it is about Suntan Lotion plan that made me sweat even more so it was like worse because then the sweat was making the Suntan lotion going so we recorded a bunch of videos. I'm hoping I don't look completely miserable during the videos but <hes> I'll put a link to the whole in Hornets one in the show notes Jacob. I <hes> I saw an instagram that you got a new tattoo. I it did indeed it was my fourth anniversary weekends wife and I plan to whole week activities climaxing with both of US getting tattoos I in my second and <hes> it's much larger her and more complicated than my first one and therefore significantly longer in her more but it is done is healing it will still currently under the protective surgical wrap thing. That guy uses <hes> so it's literally Grocery Nabet in a few days I can take it off. You know cleaned off and it will be on. Its Way to looking perfect so <hes> yeah I are. We should point where I realize. I'm going to be a guy who has tattoos now. It's got to be a thing I do for the rest of my life. Maybe every four to six months getting another tattoo until I die so so is there any realization of Y. The started happening like you you jumping into tattoos is it. You've realized that you don't need to have a job the that's it's the public facing job like you're behind computer like. It's it doesn't matter if you have tattoos. This is true. I it doesn't matter if I do and also <hes> I just before getting in shape you know in my forearms were have tattoos right now. Are you look at them and go. Oh I am not shamed as part of my body <hes> whereas the other parts of bodies still require work but like for me. It's it's like a celebration of Oh. This part of body looks like something that I am pleased to have people stare at you know and someday <hes> upper arms or the next step. I'm working can those right now and someday might you know Chessen shoulders. We'll be in shape and even the but for me I feel like it is a body positivity thing. It's sort of a celebration of me no longer being ashamed of parts in a body again shape yes and how was your wedding anniversary. Oh it was great. <hes> my wife and I watched <hes> horror movies. We we drank. We ate bad food. You Trust comes three days. Derailing this podcast again like I always do but one of the comments comments we got on Youtube. <hes> was a comment that said something like it's good that you and your wife have some have an interesting uncommon in red this common from this youtube commenter setting away. I'm probably not repeating you said in a way of like an honest like as if you can tell the he does not have an interest in common with his wife and I felt so sad. I felt like so very sad like I. Is that a thing jakup. I feel like you and your wife love doing a lot of things together. I like my wife are literally best friends not like joking way or like you know she's like lifetime. Japan's Bahasa anyway but a literally we like hanging out we like watching the same show like go in the movies. Weena joy the same banks and we occasionally time apart from each other but we literally are best friends and when people talk about their spouses or partners in ways like oh so and so hey side do this or hates that I like this. I get sad because you know I really enjoy my yeah. I mean I'm sure there's something you do that. She does not like to like like for me kit tra- you know she doesn't love magic as much as me but you'll come to the magic castle every once in a while Judy. I mean like like she hates it or anything like that but I I I can't imagine being in a relationship where the other person doesn't have a similar interests like at least one interest <hes>. Let's find out for sure. How much do you hit your wife. She's the worst now I mean. It's like hearing you talk about your relationship with breath. Yours is like yet the exact same thing so <hes>. I don't know why winded slash daily becoming relationship podcast Peter. I told you advice corner owner. Okay <hes> Brad. What have you been up to <hes>. I went to Chicago over the weekend to check out the the double dose of how did this get made. Live shows that were happening at the Chicago Theatre. <hes> <hes> the PODCAST has been on tour for a little while now and they've been making some stops and <hes> initially <hes> my friend. Ben And I we've only bought tickets to go see the the early show but then they added a late show since that sold out and then we found out the late show was doing space jam and so my friend. Ben Decided to buy tickets to that show as well so we kinda went to Chicago for early today and got brunch and hop around some toy stores and then went to see two shows and they were so much fun <hes> the first this show was adventures of Pinocchio. Which is the live action? <hes> nineteen ninety-six version with Jonathan Taylor. Tom S. as is the Voice of Pinocchio before it became a real boy and Martin Landau and this is the movie that I had seen when I was a kid and I'll talk a little bit more about it when we get later to the the watching part but the <hes> but it was so fun to have them <hes> refund this movie because it's kind of traumatizing horrifying looking back on this movie <hes> I and then the space jam one was also really fun because none of them had seen the movie before they watched it for the podcast and since there <hes> a little bit older older than the generation that grew up on the movie they had no qualms about just trashing in which was hilarious <hes> even for someone like me who grew up on space ace jamming. You know likes it for what it is. <hes> I still recognize that it is a bad movie and just having them just blasted it was amazing <hes> so yeah shout out to <hes>. Paul all different in June <hes> they listen to slash daily occasionally and I would also like to formally apologize for the crowd from the first show for asking such terrible shitty stupid questions and trying to make really bad jokes. It was extremely frustrating for everybody involved <hes> but otherwise the shows were were hilarious. I I I love seeing them whenever they come into town. QNA's or bad as is. I can't imagine one where the people are actually trying to make jokes as well yeah. It's <hes> generally they're. They're surprisingly good when you hear them on the podcast but you know when you're in love in your life you hear a lot of the bad shirt that doesn't make into the podcast yeah you mentioned to you went took a bunch of toy stores. Is there anything interesting Chicago that our listeners might be interested. <hes> so there's there's two stores that my friend. Ben And I we've gone to a few few times. <hes> they're these released. <hes> small <hes> privately owned shops one called. Caputo collectibles and the other one is called quake. Wait collectible there on the north side of Chicago <hes> they are like the sack full of <hes> old action figures new at New Action Figures <hes> loose figures so you can buy Lego sets just tons and tons of cool stuff <hes> and the the guys who are on the shops. You know really know their toys. It's cool to talk to them and you know figure out <hes> just talking about you know getting new stuff and what's what's popular and stuff. That's coming up that kind of thing <hes> so yeah if you're in the Chicago area and you're looking confer good collectible shops. Those two are awesome. I've been to them a few times and there are also pretty well reasonably priced to the question is did you buy anything I did. Nothing Super Super Special Though <hes> there was a pretty good price on <hes> band is <hes> s h <hes> Figu Arts Batman figure from the Dark Knight which I had my eye on for a while because I bought the joker not too long ago and I also picked up a star wars black series figure of Zukas the bounty under because there was the last one that I needed to complete the Empire Strikes Back Roster of bounty hunters <hes> in the black series line. Well congrats. Hey thanks actually last week. You wanted to talk about the way you didn't yes. This is something I did last week. I got to talk about because I hadn't updated my bullet journal and so I had not been able to reference it when I was writing up what I was doing for the watercooler now I remembered <hes> last weekend I went to the color factory which is this sort of pop up interactive art exhibition and is known as quote unquote the most instagram a little place on in New York and it certainly is that the color factory is basically a series of brightly colored <hes> room installations that have something like that is like incredibly instagram bowl. You might be familiar with with the picture of people in the bright. Pastel blue ball pits <hes> and that's something that's like the big <hes> staple of the color factory but actually found myself having a good time at this at the collar factory because it's a lot more interactive than I expected it to be so you go go in and there's actually an orientation that felt very Dharma Initiative. They show you a video thing like this is what you do and welcome to the color factory and they all have like these jumpsuits that are brightly colored as well so it felt a little bit cultish but it was fun to see those kind of. Nice like nicely themed and <hes> when you go into each room you can spend as as much time in it as you want and they have various activities to do in various foods to try as well <hes> there's like little Mac macaroni and that you can eat at some in another room serves like <hes> July toe and they also have a cameras installed that let you <hes> take pictures with those <unk> those cameras that they have their <hes> and you don't have to pay extra already pay a fee to go in <hes> so it was <hes> it was actually quite fun and there is a they're more like families families and children running around than just instagram influencers so it wasn't too much of that kind of awkward situation when you're with a bunch of people who are very good taking photo. You're not so it was it was quite fun and I actually do need upload those photos at some point <hes> on my instagram but <hes> yeah it's a good the time and actually worth a couple hours. If you are looking for something to do in Manhattan we'll call while she was joining a cult of Kofu instagram. Irs Jacob was reading. What was the reading <hes>. I'm reading a book published in Ten fifteen called scream chilling adventures in the signs of fear ear by Margie Kerr she sociologist at the University of Pittsburgh and the question that book is widely human beings enjoy being frightened and <hes> her whole hypothesis is that everybody has studied fear. You know for a very long time to come with a cause fear in wire bodies react the way to do so <hes>. Why do we seek out those feelings. Why do we seek the feelings evolved to help us survive in <hes> in a way that it gives us pleasure and it's really fascinating book because she travels around the world he travels to Japan to ride the tallest fastest roller coasters she travels to old abandoned prison spend the night in in the isolation cells where people went crazy. She goes to the World Series Hana houses. She climbs towers <hes> she goes issue. <hes> actual supposedly haunted buildings and each chapter is about like a different type of fear am the science of how our bodies react to fear which chemicals are generated how the interactive body <hes> which parts of our bodies are evolved to fight against fear and <hes> helpless survive fear and s somebody who loves rollercoasters and loves the houses and loves horror movies. The whole thing is a generally fascinating read and I'm getting a lot out of it. Somebody who <hes> never really thought twice but why I got a thrill out of being scared is if you want to understand harmonies or understand. Hana houses are understand no the allure of the adrenaline. Glenn Rush and the actual science of that adrenaline rush scream chilling adventures insides of fear is a very compelling very quick read a little over two hundred pages. I'm about halfway through it right now very cool and I'm assuming everybody can get the Amazon right after I got it. Okay not it's under under ten bucks. It's really worth your time okay. Let's move on to what we've been watching. Ching this week. It chapter two came to theaters and I think Ben in Jacob sides out of the group Ben. What did you think <hes> this one. It's a tough one for army. I liked it a lot while still recognizing that it has a bunch of flaws. I love the book so much and this movie <hes> you know it. It's adapting essentially the other half of the original novel by Stephen King. The first movie obviously dealt with the kids storyline in this one is is more of like the adults but there's also some flashbacks to the kids in this one as well and I thought those flashbacks were really artfully beautifully done <hes> I I don't know I I loved the performance from everyone in this movie. I thought everybody was like pretty perfectly cast and I mean as Krizan many many other people said in the original early round of Buzz Bill Hater and you to Peter of Bill Hader like steals movie. He's he's tremendous and I love seeing him. Him have the opportunity to really sink his teeth into a character in this way and give us something that we don't often see from him at the same time I I realized that it's very long it's like what two hours and forty eight minutes or something crazy like that and I know that you know it. It adds some things and there's some things things from the book that it doesn't adapt perfectly like one of my biggest complaints. I think is like the the way that the town of dairy doesn't really feel like it has that at sickness or that that illness too. It's that infection <hes> that that you really got that sense in the first movie and you don't get that sense at all in this film it's almost like anti machete director in and I think Gary Doberman the screenwriter maybe just like decided to drop that as a plot point <hes> when it's so integral to the way that the novel works and the way the first movie works but <hes> I don't know I'm ultimately torn on it. But what did you think I think you're mostly in the money here. Ben In any Michetti clearly wants make a fun movie here and I think both films are incredibly fun. The crowd pleasers. They're funny. They're scary. They're exciting. They're big epic movies movies and I think about this last night. We had a massive big epic studio horror movie. I'm thinking like the shining or the birds or original rubber wise is is the haunting the these are uncommon. I want to celebrate it. After two for being Hara blockbusters are rated R. blockbusters that are really swinging for going for the fences in ways that I want to see more of I want her. You know given this kind of platform. It has very exciting but it doesn't always work and part of it is an adaptation thing. I I do think that machine document do sidestep allow the books Nastier elements I mean the book is less about a killer clown and more about how adults else are willing to let children be hurt or ignore children being harmed if it serves interests and that's ultimately what that book is and tell you about but how about kids learning oh the world not safe place and that is really absent for these movies in a way that makes you think that they deliberately chose leave out the really important undercurrent of that AH thousand page novel but it is an incredibly entertaining movie <hes> sometimes to entertaining in a weird way because there is like I think a music key Hassan cue that exists the Creator laugh the middle of the square and kind of ruins a scare in a way that I thought really kind of annoying yeah and that's the only time that moment that you're talking about is the only time that that happens in the movie the and I almost thought that it was like the editors you know put it in there as a prank just for machete like during the dailies during playback or whatever and and then it somehow made its way into the final movie because its so separate from the tone of everything else that's going on there yeah like so many times movie where <hes> <hes> is funny. Bill Hader in <hes> is it goodness james ransom playing yeah yeah <hes> they're fantastic actors and they're really funny. <hes> by the movie leans on them too heavy for humor to the point where so many scares are undercut by them being funny act like there should be some judicious editing decisions to make sure that they are they were used used better of it because they're giving up a little bit a lot more but still. I still a great time in time but I keep on flying back and things that bother me like I guess minor spoiler alert. Henry bowers returns is going to be it doesn't the novel and you could remove him from this movie and nothing changes he is. He's maybe a handful of scenes. He's a joke the characters free there's a joke sense like horror in Wilton series and novel and it feels like a mistake. They should cut that. There's that's a lot of never often filmed letter left. Nepal cut it is bad now the great I was going to say now that you both have seen both chapters. Do you think the idea got to split it. At the the two different time. Periods was the right thing to do hobbies these we've gotten made by also think I think that the six hour cut that you know spices altogether and allows where flashback structure <hes> maybe the ad like the best because there are times wanting a chapter to where I'm thinking taking. This is less than complete movie more half of the six hour version. Dongola enjoy a couple of years yeah yeah. I feel the same way me as well then. You also also watch some stuff this week. Yeah I watched the treasure of the Sierra Madre a nineteen forty eight film written and directed by John Huston Stars Humphrey Bogart Walter Houston Johnson's John Huston's father and Tim Holt and I'd never seen this movie before and it's like on the list of the one hundred greatest movies of all time and I it's it's one of these acclaimed films and I'm just like had never had a chance to finally check out before so I sat down and watched the thing of it is very very good. It's the premise is bogart. Plays sort of like a a washed up broke drunk Kinda guy who's like hanging out in Mexico and looking for work and he over hears this <hes> <hes> sort of old timer who's played by Walter Huston talking about prospecting for gold out in the mountains and bogert and this other guy played by Tim Holt's a team with this the old guy end go out into the wilderness and try to a prospect for golden and strike it rich and they do and that's not really spoiler there but it's all the the main thrust of the movie is about what happens to them afterwards and like the <hes> the degradation of their souls that that the occurs after this gold sort of gets into their veins almost where it transforms them as people and the greed and the lust for money and all that stuff sort of a starts infecting them as human beings and <hes> it's a really really good movie in like watching it now so many things clicked clicked in in place in my head of things that I've seen after this that are clearly referencing this movie like most recently. I'm thinking of <hes> triple frontier the net flicks action action movie from earlier this year with Ben Affleck and Oscar Isaac and a bunch of people <hes> that movie is basically just like a modern day remake of this film but <hes> with a little bit more of like a a macho sort of military angle to it but man I mean yeah the recommend everybody watching this movie bogardus particularly great in Senate and Walter Huston who won an Oscar for best supporting actor is like one of the most fast talking characters that I can remember in in cinema history. He's like he's just spewing dialogues so quickly to the point where it almost feels like you're listening to him on two times speed and everybody else's just talking can't normal speed yeah. It's a lot of fun very cool. <hes> you know. I wasn't talking about anything what we've been watching because I've been doing travelling and not having watched any movies. TV shows but there was something I wanted to give a shoutout to. It's a new youtube or a youtube channel that is new to me called the endless adventure and <hes> this is about a couple named Eric Alison <hes> they travel. They basically have given up their permanent home. Tom and a normal life in fiscal travel the world so <hes> they they basically they will post three videos a week and it's it's them traveling every place internationally domestically <hes> they they go on cruises they go to castles they <hes> but the great everything is that they are also photographers in Viagra fers and they do their stuff so good like they have so many beautiful all drums shots and just like out watching their blogging like makes me feel so <hes> not good as vulgar because because they make everything looked so cinematic in so effortless and so <hes> just amazing and it also makes me kitchen. I've been like watching this and we have a list of things that they are doing in different places that were like oh we gotta if we ever go to Japan. We gotta go to that place and like that so it's you you know it's a travelogue. I don't know how I think they have like two hundred and fifty thousand subscribers which <hes> I don't think is enough to to to support you traveling internationally for a living but I'm wondering how they pull that off but <hes> I'm sure somewhere in here. There's probably a video with them entering that question but only to show I would highly recommend it feels like <hes> <hes> you know when Ben Ben and Amy both quit their their their everyday jobs. It's going to be them. Peter the answer this is probably other Youtube Channel <hes> the endless crime spree where robbing place they go. I WanNa see that Channel Okay Jacob. What have you been watching. I watched a terrible movie on Hulu streaming. They're called bigfoot. County wants you. Blair witch with bigfoot very bad not recommended you wasting your time on it and I like bad which movies big hard pass skip <hes> boss who <hes> Pumpkin head a very strange <hes> I think nineteen eighty eight noteworthy for a few reasons it is the only film directed by Standing Winston. The creature effects extraordinaire who made the drivers draft Park Terminator James Cameron <hes> help build a Predator editor. He is passed away <hes> in the two thousands. I believe he is a legendary special designer you if you have seen movies you've seen stands work. <hes> Pumpkin had is is him trying to make a movie and it has a reputation for being terrible but it's it's gained a cult following and revisiting now it holds. It's a pretty well. It's an eighty splatter movie lamps Hendrickson from Aliens and I'm on among other many movies you bishop at Aliens in a rare leading man role as a a man redneck type who runs a little shop in the middle of the rural countryside of America. His young son is killed by some city some city folk who ran over the motorcycle accident so let's go to neighborhood which in the middle of the woods and some Pumpkin head a <hes> vengeance demon to hunt down and kill teenagers and let's say a crisis of conscience and goes out to save them instead <hes> and stop Pumpkin head and hooking himself is this very large practical monster is very cool very gooey if you like practical monsters he's worth seeking out only okay. It has really good moments doesn't really hold together. Entirely budget is showing. It seems pretty much. Every single major team but pumpkin head is a really nifty artifact any forgotten eighty monster movie. We'll be too I would recommend checking out if this sounds appealing very cool and <hes> you mentioned earlier the adventures of Nokia. Did you revisit US and in in anticipation for the how did this get made. Yes I did because my friend. Ben Had not seen the movie <hes> he was a little too older on the movie move came out to take interest in it <hes> I had seen him when I was a kid but I hadn't seen in a long long time so I remember just how weird and N. unintentionally <hes> erotic and sometimes inappropriate. This movie is <hes>. It's just it's very very strange and like <hes> there are some stated affects too because like they have a computer animated cricket whose name is Pepe in this one because Jimmy cricket is a Disney character and so they they had to give this cricket a different name and <hes> it's just real bad like basically the same kind of animation that they brought that creature in the lost in space <hes> <hes> movie to life like it has not aged well at all and <hes> while the puppet effects for the time for Pinocchio done by the Jim Henson Company Buzney were. I'm sure pretty good. They're just kind of weird now and it's just a lot of the stuff that happens in Pinocchio. When it's brought to live of action form it's it's extremely odd and very unnerving. Rob Schneider's in this movie which I completely forgot <hes> which which is very very weird and like he doesn't even try to put on again Italian accent or a British accent these just rob Schneider like you might as well come come into a zine and go go rhino making puppets. It's just it is oh my gosh. If you haven't seen this movie like I recommend seeking out just because it is something to experience. It is so weird <hes> the best the best thing about it is <hes> a at how did this get made is that they had had <hes> during the show. Paul has his computer so he can reference clips and things like that well talking about the movie and the background picture on his computer that he had during the Adventures of Pinocchio was this image of the puppet with his mouth wide open and whipped cream all over his face because there's a whole sequence in the movie where he like <hes> innocently steals like baked goods from this <hes> from a bakery and he keeps eating them so you get all this whip cream over space but and there because of but there's just so many like just double entendre that come and every time the image popped up <hes> when he would switch between clips and stuff like that the audience was laughing because the the picture was just so so hilarious yeah this. This movie is just if you like. I said watch it. It's weird and we yeah. Where can you find this fred. It looks like Pinocchio. You can watch it on Youtube. It's one of their like free movies and you can watch with ads on their otherwise so you can just rent it for like three bucks from Amazon or youtube your Google play or whatever okay let's move onto. Ht <hes> I see that you watch the first first two episodes of the leftovers. What was the avengers snap or was it the upcoming watchmen series that made you want to finally dive into this. Hbo Vio Series Well. Maybe the Combo of both but you know I've been wanting to dive into the leftovers for a long time because I am one of the ardent defenders of lost in its final season and <hes> I remember when the leftovers was getting all this critical acclaim people were praising it as serve Damon Lindelof like his his his lessons learned from loss that he made into even better show and people compared favorably to loss and I would have reactions the action thing lost is great first of all it did peak my interest in the leftovers but I never got around to it and yes <hes> whenever unders endgame came out and I actually flu love that first half of the movie and <hes> how it kind of became almost meditation on grief and the idea being very similar to the premise of leftovers which is that about two percent of the population suddenly disappears and <hes> the show <hes> tackles the <hes> the aftermath of that three years later <hes> so my friend who actually had seen the leftovers you love the first half of game you just watch the leftovers and so I finally got around to it and it's very good guys. I really love how much takes its time and <hes> I was other than the <hes> the first scene scene in which you see the actual disappearance. I think <hes> I don't remember what they call it. In the show <hes> the departure or something <hes> there isn't much of the sci-fi element went to it which is a little surprised at but I do like the the character drama and the kind of slow burn and the intricacies of those characteristics that are being shown in those first the episodes <hes> I was also surprised to see that <hes> Carrie coon doesn't show up until the end of the first episode maybe even the second episode because I had heard so much about her performance and how she was kind of like that second <hes> Co lead with Justin Theroux who is also excellent in this but I'm really liking it so far and I like that the the intriguing mystery isn't about any sort of flashy element or Sifi element but it's just about wanted to know more about these people and what they're going through the grief and how they came to be this way so i. I'm really looking forward to watching the rest of it. I'm adding it to my many lists of shows that I'm just making my way through at some point. I'm curious to hear what you think of the the rest of the series you watch them new new movies as well yes so. I talked about seeing hustlers last week but I finally will be able to talk more about my opinion about it because it made its world premiere at tiff this weekend and I liked it. Although I love a lot of aspects of it including Jennifer Lopez who is just fantastic in this film Tom. Honestly one of her best career performances I would say just kind of Glamour Glamour and Carney and she kind of takes this movie by the ball and takes controls of of it because she's just so fascinating so fun to watch in this movie but I have to say I don't love it as much as everyone else at tiff did and I wonder if I was missing something because everyone is raving about it and I liked it a lot and I really like especially when it becomes more of an acerbic sharp black comedy in its second half but I think it just takes a long time to get to <hes> scam itself which is based on a true life story that was written about in a New York magazine magazine article and <hes> that first half of the film is more kind of like this gritty kitchen sink realism which I enjoyed but then once we get to the scam the film kind of switch gears and becomes more of this zippy black comedy which I also enjoyed but I felt like at some point the distance between those two took me out out of the movie a little bit but <hes> the cast is great. Jennifer Lopez again just so fantastic con constantly will is really good too and she's actually the protagonist protagonists so I feel kind of bad because she does get a little bit overshadowed by Jennifer Lopez but they play they have such a great character <hes> dynamic and relationship I really like the dive into female relationships in this film and how complex and how kind of <hes> thorny can be <hes> as well as <hes> the the lack of the male gaze and the summit is a movie about strippers running a scam begins. Wall Street clients up but it never gets to leering or to <hes> sort of exploitative <hes> which I feel at some point kind of the comes detriment to the movie because it doesn't like to get nasty at all it does feel like very glossy glossy <unk> crowd-pleasing button away that I really enjoyed so I'll say it's it's a good film and I <hes>. I wish I liked it as much as everyone else but Jennifer Lopez is definitely definitely a reason to watch hustlers okay and Y'all saw climax. Yes climax just got released on. Hulu and I got a chance chance to watch it. This is the gaspar no way <hes> dance drug film. I guess you would say and I really liked. He did especially how it just goes completely off the rails. In the last forty five minutes. I really love movies that kind of take its time building that dread and the intensification in the first half and then go completely off the rails in that second half and climax is a great job doing that. It's actually even slower in its first half because it become is not about the atmosphere as much as is about the character relationships that are established slowly and kind of the <hes> the <hes> all all the different dynamics that are taking place within the dance troupe that are in this <hes> sort of isolated empty school where they are rehearsing a new dance dance sequence and so the the first half does take its time but then once it really kicks into gear kicks it really does because at some points during the party which they're celebrating their successful rehearsal the dancers all drink the Sangria which is an unbeknownst them them laced with S. l. c. and the last forty five minutes of this film just becomes a relentless intense agonizing nizing drug trip that gets really violent unnerving but son. It's something that you can't look away from and it is excellent. So th-they Patella is the only me <hes> named actress in this. I think a lot of the other actors and actresses in this film are dancers first person for most but they do great job pat the dramatic moments of this movie as well and you also did a double feature yes so <hes> <hes> please forgive me the code along this because I the two movies that are very close to my heart but I learned recently that the metro graph was doing a special special screening of spirited away <hes> at their theater and that they are also doing <unk> cons deliberation <hes> and I was really excited suitable feature feature of Spiritual Way in Millennium Actress Aka to enemy masterpieces that make me cry. These are two movies that I deeply adore I I I love spirit away so much the point that I like a physical physical reaction to it you might like I'm okay but I was trembling for watching the movie theaters because I was so excited to see it again the it was actually my first time seeing it in theaters because I had I seen it when I got a DVD double pack with Spirit away in castle the sky that my mom bought me when I was twelve and that was kind of Nice the turning point for me I guess call my movie buff origin story because when I saw those movies I I still in love with him completely and decided to start collecting usually movies from then on and I have a whole Pantheon of movies that are still at my appearance health. I haven't taken the up yet but spirited away was a movie that really let's impact on me and I watched it so much that I scratched. Gosh my dvd copy and actually have not seen it in about five years so I was just really excited to see this movie again and see it in theaters <hes> and I I actually forgotten that I bought tickets for a subtitled version so this is the Japanese language version with English subtitles and I've seen both versions of uh both versions of the movies dozens of times <hes> but I don't think the parents my heater were aware that the subtitles because there's a lot of kids who are pretty sure do not don't know how to read so at the beginning you people were pretty restless but you know the the the the brilliant imagery of spirit away way and just like the gorgeous in a nation. I think was actually able to countdown love kids who stayed for the entirety of it and we're pretty quiet a apart from a few sequences that were a little bit disturbing parts but we're always walkout families walked out. There's one kid that kept went to the bathroom but other than that everyone stayed and I was quite surprised by that so pleasantly so because if parents are showing their kids steered away that's great sign of the future the Burmese ocoee film. I haven't seen them all lake you so. I I just love spirited away. I love it so much. It's my favorite music film <hes> <hes> but not only that one of my favorite movies of all time <hes> one thing. I one thing I love about watching spirit way again <hes> and it's as great as a member is that I can always sort of glean something new from it <hes> since it's been so long since I've watched it I was able to kind of get I always get something new and this time I was I was struck by the sort of Greek mythology <hes> elements that are scattered throughout this film. I especially like with the idea of you know like the underworld process any and Orpheus as well being something recognizable elements in this movie so I just wanted to give it out to that <hes> but <hes> also in watching the English subtitled version again <hes> I will say that the English dub is not bad the Disney dubs of the movies these are actually quite good and there's there are few differences in the English Dub English subtitled version of the key one be fees me <hes> that <hes> <hes> in the end of spirit way. I'M GONNA give slight spoilers as <hes> she and her parents driving away in the English dubbed version. She <hes> her parents say new school new life. New Friends does sound really scary and she says I think I can handle it but in the Japanese version they drive away and say nothing and I actually really like and prefer that version of the ending because it lends ambiguity to the movie not that kind of makes you question whether she remembers the incidences that took place in the spirit world world whether she actually is able to recall all the things that happened and <hes> it's kind of hinted at when you see them leaving and it's repeat of the same mm scene at the beginning and you kind of get the inkling that maybe revert back to her old self but then when she looks back and you see the the flash of her new hair tie it kind of is like there's a little piece of kernel that that may be stayed with her and I like reading a lot. It's something that always struck deep squared away. Maybe that's really special to me. I it introduced a whole spectrum emotions that I was not aware that I was capable of feeling when I was twelve years old <hes> I do have to give a shout to the train sequence which is just as beautiful today as it was back when I first thought and really left an impression on me as a kid. It's a sequence that is so quiet and yet so filled with meaning and <hes> this deep melancholy that again. I was just like like what is this feeling that I'm feeling when I was told and even I was not really able to articulate it as a kid even now. I don't know if I'm able to fully take wow I love it so much but it's just like the facelessness of everything and the the faceless spirits literally that are passing by the ephemeral nature of all of it that really touches me still and make me newsmedia even now so I just WanNa talk about how I look spirited away so much and how it led into the next film but I watched a <hes> millennium actress which is not directed a it's not a suitably film a stretcher by Satyricon who I guess you could say is almost the polar the opposite stylistically to Zaki <hes> where Miyazaki his films approach the world from a more fantastical perspective active and from the perspective of wanting to make life more interesting in life more beautiful <hes> there is sorry for going so long there is an Educa- documentary humanity series about ten years with Highs Aki in which us and there's a moment in which he says he's looking at these rooftops and he's saying I'm imagining you know a man and leaping off of this route pop and like flying this rooftop and then soaring down to this other rooftop and it's not something that you can see in real life in my mind. It's something that happens and and that's what a music film is <hes> but Satyricon in contrast is all hard lines very earthy in very realistic despite Millennium Selenium actress being a very dreamy and surreal film <hes> Con- you might recognize from films like Paprika or perfect blue but millennium actually my favorite of his films. It's a definitely under a classic of his because <hes> I think it's because it's not as visually striking as his other films. It's a lot more muted in color scheme a lot of reds and browns and a lot of like <unk> tones to match the nostalgic install gic color of of the time in which takes place <hes> it follows a legendary actress who was retired and these as to documentary filmmakers who are trying to do a story about her life and doing interview with her. Can you imagine American film American animated film being about documentary filmmaker or featuring no not no. I probably not but yeah it's I think that this is a film that it can only be done because the way that it approaches this actress's life story is that Ashi tells her story the documentary filmmakers find themselves living living it with her and actually actively participating in her past and <hes> affecting it and as she tells her story <hes> which is as a child she young girl she met this man who was a political fugitive and she decides to rescue him but a and then when she falls in love with him he the next day disappears and with the promise to see her again and so she decides become an actress to find a way eight to meet him and through the rest of her life. She's always trying to search for him and she finds an through her career. As an actress she starts to play like these auto news who who are always searching for something always yearning for something and as she tells her life story the her actual life starts to blend with the films that she made and the characters that she played who were all running and searching and yearning for that one thing and it goes from her life up living in in world war two postwar Japan to suddenly she isn't a Samurai film. Suddenly she is in an astronaut drama and the editing is so seem less and so just so smooth that even the audience is taken for a ride to see <unk> to question what reality is happening and whether where where that that fiction ends and where the <hes> her life begins so it's really beautifully made film and I want to talk talk about gift shut up stop talking so much soon to search cons editing style and how brilliant it is because even though his his is characters is his ambitious more realistic <hes> his characters especially the their faces a really expressive compared to sake films <hes> his I think his power and his <hes> <unk> achievement is hint his editing style which really makes use of those fast cuts but it's yes <hes> makes use of the medium animation as well because he is able to show a shot that is like a fraction of a second long and he inserts took a two other shots at take better take just as rapidly and it's something that you can't really do in a live action film because lack of budget lack of resources lack of time fine and yet he squeezes all those things in and it's these shots barely registered. They're almost subliminal subliminal senses but they work so effectively lean clean that dream like that really <hes> <hes> off Kilter <hes> sort of <hes> ambiance to the film. <hes> millennia mattress is really fantastic. I highly recommend <hes> watching it. Oh also struck by how much the structure sure is similar citizen Kane. I hadn't recognized this back when I first watched it but I don't think it's ironic to say that this is the citizen Kane of anime films in back. I'M GONNA say it via. This is the film I saw when I was young and it really bold me over because I didn't realize may realize that movies could be like this that movies could do something so weird and unique and testing the boundaries of filmmaking so I <hes> I highly recommend seeing especially if you like his other film perfect blue which which similarly <hes> explores issues of identity and personas through the lens of a film camera but in a way that's much more optimistic because perfect blue is a psychological logical earlier that I will never watch again because it made me feel so horrible and yet millennium actress highly recommend well. Thank you for that emotional. Oh recap for those two animated films. I'm sure that probably put those homes on the radar of people that probably have not watched them yet so that's that's a good thing. <hes> <hes> move on to what we've been eating. I when I was in Orlando. I did eat some bad stuff. I <hes> went to to some chocolate emporium in seve refuse east kitchen in <hes> universal city walk. This is basically university walks version of what we won't chocolate factory. It's a restaurant but they have these decadent. You didn't <hes> desserts and milkshakes. I <hes> we did a video on this as well which will be up <hes> no next week or something like that <hes> I was. We weren't really bowled over by all the the food. That was there but the milkshakes are great. These are those like instagram -able milkshakes for like it has like a gigantic piece of cake like coming out of the top of the milk shake and then like the you know the glass itself has like frosting with fake <hes> sprinkles you know I it just like way more than you can possibly handle and I'll say the milkshake itself <hes> that we had which I think it was like frosted cake milkshake or something like that <hes> was fantastic but I would not eat there for the food. Just go there. Get a milkshake and look a twenty dollar milkshake Peter. Oh you know. I wish I knew what the price was. <hes> it was definitely over ten dollars. I don't know I don't think it was twenty dollars there. There is a place like this and in New York City and in Disney <hes> downtown Disney. <hes> called black tap <hes> so she you should check that out with your sitting next yeah bags. They have good food but they have like these huge insurable. They actually have good food good. They're not a theme park restaurants <hes> but in their milk shakes are like even more like at least at this tooth it some place <hes> the piece of cake that was coming out of the milkshake. I think it was like a smaller piece of cake like at blacktop like when you have like a piece of cake. Coming out of your milkshake is like a like a full sized pizza kick book shake. It's insane <hes> so I liked blacktop over to some <hes> but the other thing I tried it universal city walk as we went back to Tokyo's which <hes> is a Mexican place. We recently tried. They recently opened it in city. Walk in Hollywood would and we went there and did a video on that. I talked about last week on the water cooler. <hes> it's a he does is. I think our kitchen is favourite place and university walk Orlando to eat. It's a Mexican food place but it's kind of like a a new Mac sore like <hes> I guess like an American like what do you call it. It's like when it's like a mash up of cuisines kind of like Americanized Mexican food. They have like a <hes> tex-mex. I guess it's like tex-mex but it's a little bit yeah. I don't know <hes> on stage they have emerged Mariachi band playing like an American like top twenty songs from the last two years but like in Mariachi style <hes> so it's a totally like I'm not sure if it's wrong longer not but it's fun and <hes> they have amazing Margaritas Margaritas head there and get some Margaritas <hes> <hes> and <hes> we did not take this channel so you will not see this the last thing I wanted to mention. <hes> is whenever I'm in Orlando. I ended up Uber Ring. The two who knows pizzeria knows is a chain from the east coast. I grew up with in Massachusetts. <hes> it actually started in Chicago Kogo because they created deep dish pizza if you ask them or if you WanNa pedia it's either them or another place. It's not quite accurate records but they might have created a deep dish pizza. I don't go there for the deep dish pizza that thing I grew up on are these things called pizza skins which is basically a pizza crust in a small deep dish pan which they put mashed potatoes they melt cheese on top of it and they put Bacon so it's basically potato skins but in deep dish pizza form and I used to have them all the time when I lived in Massachusetts and <hes> whenever I'm in Orlando. There's one close by to the parks that we usually uber or post meets from and I I gotTa have my pizza Skins <hes> it. It is a chain restaurant. It's it's nothing like probably for anybody other than me to go out of their way for <hes> but I I really like the pizza skin so <hes> putting on radar if you have have a WHO knows near you. I think it's <hes> chain on the east coast. It's not here on the West Coast <hes> checkout. There's one in <hes>. I think there's a few in Chicago yeah like I said there. They were possibly the people that created teaches pizza and might actually have to go to some time just to try. This pizza skin thing you're talking. macos sounds pretty fucking good it is it is really good. Although I will say when I had a had it when I was a teenager in Massachusetts used to be like a much bigger curse size and I think sit now that they have to release the calorie counts and stuff like that. It has shrunk quite a bit so it's like a really mini-size <hes> <hes> deep dish pizza <hes> but it's still good. I would definitely check it out in the report back. At a later edition of the water watercooler and sometime you have to come to Chicago to actually try real pizza yeah although I will say in. La The best deep dish pizza is Hollywood would pies which you once had when you're here and you said it was just okay so yeah it was it was it was fine but it wasn't it wasn't as good as good actual. Chicago deep dish pizza. I I love it. You're not going to take this away from me Brad. What have you been eating this week. So I got my hands on a new EMINEM <hes> for Halloween gene <hes> there are creepy. COCO CRISP EMINEM's which are basically it's kind of like a cocoa pebbles <hes> flavor kind kind of Eminem and this really is just the Krispy Kreme has like a dusting of cocoa chocolate inside of it instead of just the regular milk droplet so the difference is subtle. It's still pretty good at it. Tastes like I said kind of like I think crushed up chocolate pebbles and put them inside M. A. Crispy Eminem so they're they're pretty good but they're they're not as good as my favorite crisp and really my favorite eminem overall is the crispy mint eminem that comes out around Christmas time but <hes> yeah you can get those <hes>. I think it's a target exclusive <hes> but they're out for for Halloween right now so if you WANNA try those they're they're out there and then in a KFC recently <hes> announced a new famous bowl the famous on their menu is that fame they combined like the mashed potatoes the corn and the chicken with them cheese and gravy in it and they recently came out with a new one that is Mac and cheese famous ball <hes> it doesn't have <hes> <hes> all the other stuff in basically just Mac and cheese with chicken and I like KFC's <hes> Mac and cheese and I guess it's just nice is to be able to order it and like have the chicken that's in it proportional to the serving as opposed to just trying to shove chicken into it myself especially because they don't ever really sell a larger portion of the MAC and cheese. It's usually like a side order so you'd have to get a like. A large probably catered size version. I guess <hes> so so yeah. It's it's it's chicken inside the Mac and cheese that KFC <hes> which I enjoy so if you like both those things then you'll probably like that call and <hes>. Let's move on to what we've been playing Brad. What have you been playing this week so I haven't really been playing with this necessarily but I did receive it and I thought it's pretty cool and I thought it warrant were talking about. <hes> Hasbro sent me <hes> the first figure in their new hyper real black series line for star wars figures and this is basically figure that comes somewhere in between a hot toys figure and the normal normal six inch black series figures. It's intended to have a baby a little bit more detailed. It has a metal skeleton inside side of it for more <hes> I guess diverse or just just more posibility. Essentially the articulation on is much more than the normal black serious figures would allow <hes> and pretty much right on par with what hot toys figures allow to and so there. There's a little bit more detail on the sculptures. It's a bigger figure. It's eight inches instead of the normal six inches for Hasbro's black series line <hes> it's <hes> I don't know if I've said it already but darth vader figure is the is the first figure in this line and <hes> it's not necessarily the best example of what they can do with this line because vader's not necessarily a character who required a lot of flexibility and his his his design and his suit is pretty basic. You don't really get too much of a sense of how detailed these figures can be <hes> but the scope of his his suit and the helmet is done. I'm pretty pretty well and the the body is interesting because it's a metal skeleton inside the figure so the arms and legs the stuff that aren't his his armor and his Cape Are <hes>. It's like a very flexible rubber so when you touch it it almost feels like one of those cheap stretchy rubber rubber <hes> like figures that you can buy that don't break because they just banned and you can move money position but because the skeleton is inside of it has a certain rigidity rigidity to it where you you do have to like you know <hes> work a little bit harder. I guess you would say to you move and pose it but <hes> it's. It's a very cool figure. It comes armed with a bunch of different hands so that you can have him either use to force push or a pointer have his arms folded with his with his fist or <hes> things like that comes with his lightsaber and he comes with like this <hes> basically what is a a laser blast deflection <hes> accessory that you could put on his force hand it makes does it look like he's deflecting a ball but it looks like kind of a white explosion on his hand so it doesn't have quite the same effect almost like he's shooting ice out of his hand which is kind of weird <hes> and it's a pretty cool figure. I'm not necessarily sure that it's worth the price points because this figure I think retails for like eighty dollars <hes> on shelves and for like I <hes> the hot toys figures are definitely more expensive but you get a lot more quality and <hes> accessories stories and things like that with it as well as detail. I wish like for this kind of price points since it's literally like it's four times as much as a blackberry figure that they would have done something a little bit extra for like have the Lightsaber <hes> have the ability to light up or at least put like a wire inside of his Cape to allow allow for you know to pose the Cape you know for cool stances and stuff like that but besides that it's <hes> it's it's a pretty figured they've already announced that the next one they're doing is <hes>. Luke skywalker and his best friend gear so it'll be interesting to see how that figure compares and how <hes> it works when you have an actual person. Let's flash in has a fiscal to see how much detail works with it so <hes> so yeah the hyper real darth vader figure from Hasbro <hes>. I think it's out on shelves now so even as a sense me like it's not quite collectible yet. I it's more. It's still more of a toy <hes>. I don't know it's it's it's it's somewhere in between because it does have a very collectible. Look about it and the way that you can pose it <hes>. It's it's made to be posed on on a shelf. <hes> he comes. It comes with a little base. <hes> that looks like it's part of like the desks are for base quite the basically he kneels on when he talks to the Emperor Looks Kinda like that <hes> so it's it's somewhere. Mr Inbetween because it's it's a little too heavy duty to be <hes> like a toy that she would play with <hes> it. It definitely has a collectible feel to it. You know what I miss. I missed the unleashed things that they used to do for Star Wars. That was has right. I think so yeah those are pretty cool. They had they were like <hes> basically like kind of like cheaper plastic statue essentially they had them in like much more realistic <hes> looking designs and they but they had like the light sabers <hes> <hes> like there were like a wave of them if they were like getting ready to hit something or there was flames around them and stuff. They were pretty cool. Yeah I feel like from afar on a shelf. You couldn't tell the difference between that and like a sideshow collectible statue but <hes> like I. I guess that's my problem with like action. Figures on a shelf like you can tell that they're action figures yeah they they have gotten better though <hes> because I like the the black series figures especially <hes> now that they have they used three D. printing eighteen technology for the faces so the face scopes are they now actually look very much like the actors who play the characters which makes the figures here's L- <hes> it just it adds a a much different feel to them if it makes them feel less like toys <hes> and marvel legends at the same thing because that's also created by Hasbro and Yeah I've been collecting a lot of the vendors figures and the face scopes for for all those characters are awesome to very cool that does it for us on today's episode you can find. I'm more of our work. It's GONNA come. You can find this podcast. Lot's from daily post every weekday. I tunes Google Overcast spotify. All the popular podcasts. Please feel free to send your feedback questions. 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