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Self Sabotage

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Self Sabotage

"Good morning everyone good evening. Good afternoon wherever you are and welcome to the weekly energy boost. My name is Ellie Shevah and I am so excited to be with you this morning because we have the esteemed Marcus West and joining us for today's show. I. Don't know if you guys realize this. Marcus was on the show about I think in September of last year, and it is to date. Our most listened to episode, so we have been trying to get marcus back for Millennia. It feels like after after twenty twenty after what we've been through, but for those of you that are joining us for the first time or A. A new to the weekly energy boost we do every episode is provide our listeners with a seven day spiritual forecast, an energetic forecast, not a weather forecast, so that you can best navigate the potential pitfalls and unique opportunities of the coming week. Of course you'd then can take those prescriptions that wisdom that that we share and use it any week of the year. It really you Kabala. A user's manual for life and David and I usually prepare as best. We can to provide our listeners with those tools. That prescription last week. If you didn't get a chance to listen, we had Monica Berg on the show and it was fabulous. Fabulous that the technical difficulties were almost overwhelming and Luckily we have Marcus, in the studio with us this morning to share with us to share with you how to avoid how to become more aware how to interrupt, and then ultimately avoid the patterns of self sabotage that we all have I think before we get into a conversation about self sabotage. What is what is self sabotage? How does it look I? I WanNa lay a bit of a baseline down at with the idea that every single one of us is meant for greatness perfection own unique. actually we had a show about it a couple months ago. Where we are each our own superhero, and that greatness is not relative to anybody else, but our own selves, we are greatest competition. We are greatest opponent and the wisdom of Kabbalah shares that every struggle, every challenge, every difficulty that we go through is tailor made for us to uncover that superpower that diamond that each one of us has within. Okay the. The. Difficulty is that when we hit those pitfalls when we when we encounter those challenges or when people are being horrible, difficult upsetting. Name it use use whatever word resonates with you. It's very hard to connect with that idea that we are meant for greatness. We are meant for our own unique perfection and to be. To see that light at the end of the tunnel. So what we want to talk about today is how do we get in our own way and I wanna ask all of you who are listening at least if you're on facebook. If you're you're on Instagram, you can share with us. How what are how do you get in your own way? What are the ways that you sabotage your own success? Your own mastery, your own greatness, because we all do it right? We all do it and we WANNA help everyone get to today. Is What are you doing how to interrupt it and how to replace those self sabotage, self, sabotaging thoughts, words and behavior with. something. That's going to get you closer toward that greatness so share with us in the comments. How do you self sabotage? And hopefully we'll? We'll have some time during the show to get to those specific examples I know I have some that I wrote down from experiences that I've had with my own students in my own Personal experience of course, and I'm hoping that we'll get some some diamonds from Marcus as well Marcus. What do you I mean? This is a topic that I think we face with our students in almost every one on one meeting. It's not or even every. Interaction that we have with somebody WHO's coming to us for help, you might WanNa. Move. The might closer, so people will hear your words, of Wisdom. So. Hit US. What. What do you tell People Marcus? Let's all. Be Your your Guinea pig, okay. I I don't know I. I stay quiet I, don't I? Don't WanNa rock the boat. I want to keep the peace I don't want to bother anybody but I'm also aware that by me. Not Bothering anybody I'm constantly bothered and I'm miserable and my relationship. Is that great at all? If I'm honest this by the way that's not my actual planes, it's not a real personal issue. This is something that I've had conversations with people about for Millennia again. What do you say? How do you help? People get to the core issue of their their self sabotage. So first of all. Hello, hi. And It's very very loved you back on this This shovel shows This is one of the greatest products I think in the center. He'd say a very special on to back and especially with the the the branch Selena of Kubota. So. This is a great on now when it comes to self sabotage, and before we pick up on your issue. Not your issue, but the issue that you mentioned I think it is. Important In a very broad way to begin that sabotage itself right, there is a self pot to the sabotage, and we can identify lots of particular behaviors which. which may be makeup? The sabotage story, but the self parts underneath the sabotage is where I'm always interested in because underneath a behavior is normally a repetitive invisible habit. And that's where we get into that spiritual world and find lots of juicy juicy. Because most of US dream big. We accomplish a little less than the dream and we really understand why. And the answer is. There's some kind of self sabotage habits invested in what you're doing so for example if we come back to to your particular. Reference that you remind me of the reference the you, can I? Dear Marcus. I preferred not to rock the boat not to up I. Don't want to bother anybody with mine needs. And what's bothering me my complaints and therefore I end up. Passive aggressive angry and my relationship. Isn't that great any so for me? The belief system or the habits underneath the behavior is is the question what you protecting? What are you escaping from? What are you preventing? What do you safeguarding? What are you self preserving right that that's the first stage I think because there is some description of pain of fear of escapism. Of Failure of of acknowledgment change requires commitment. Acknowledgement that I have something to change which is always painful for people, but also requires. Energy and commitment and not everybody wants to do that all the time. We rarely I would imagine people into that because we want the path of least resistance. But I'm saying underneath the the thought of staying small, the Egos description around that staying s'mores. You're safer, your bigger and you're better being less noticed, and that is the self sabotage she because truth is unless you are making some kind of effort and stretching be safe right, so it's it's a it's a miscalculation of the Egos, full voice that you listen to and sabotage yourself with because the thought of safe by doing this or I'm bigger by doing. This is is what we have to hit. Alyssa thinking what you said, you pointed out an important. A subtly pointed out an important conversation or important talking point is some of the ways we get. Some of the ways we get in our way are really obvious. And some of them are very subtle. We have you know people are sharing here on the beautiful things, also not so beautiful things, but for example you know I think a lot of people acknowledged the fact that the procrastination is a form of self sabotage, and it's pretty obvious. Right things pile up. The mess gets bigger. The bill stack gets higher. The what you know. The bank account gets lower. It's it's obvious to us and it's almost I. Feel it. I mean we can talk about that also, but I think part of what the the conversation requires us to do is to ask. What are the less what are the hidden way is that we self sabotage and what's funny is? When you said that the it's all self. I think that there's also people out there one of the things we came up. In last week's show and I believe the one before. Is You know when you feel? You want to retaliate. When someone hurts, you and you WanNa hurt them back or someone hurts you and you withhold love afterwards or you? You treat them differently because of how they treated you. We don't realize that that's also self sabotage. We think we're sabotaging them. But the truth is that in our desire to even the score or call it what you will we end up hurting ourselves far worse than we hurt the other person. Yeah I think I. Think also procrastinations a classic so I was I. Think such a classic one because I think it's not an obvious one. I think there are really really obvious ones that are the kind of the the more dictatorial sex, drugs, rock and roll type examples by think procrastination is a chronic issue. That I would say almost everyone in the world suffers from so it is from point of view of the EGO Afam more effective tool of influence than perhaps drugs. Which you kind of in your diction, you know often that you shouldn't but can't help yourself whereas procrastination, the issue is the issues hidden. Right so so that immediately is is is a world where I would start, because you can't solve anything unless you can tell yourself the excuse that you're setting yourself. And and that excuse around procrastination is where I would start because. We procrastinate with every justifiable reason in the world. I shouldn't do it right now. There is a better time perhaps that person will pick up the slack there thousand reasons why we put off for tomorrow what we should have done today and and and It's laziness. It's one part laziness, but the laziness is allowed to live because of the deeper sub-conscious pain. Fear factors that were right to do it right now with office so unless we can dissect that the very. Kind of This issue of procrastination is never harmful so I think you have to expose how dangerous procrastination it's delayed. I'm excited. I, you know I think about the people that I that I know that identify them as procrastinator in the FI themselves as procrastinators. It's very physical there procrastination and expresses itself physically like I said before the I don't want to do the dishes. The dishes pile up I. DON'T WANNA face my bank account so the bills pile up every. I remember sitting in a class about reincarnation. Twenty twenty five years ago and the teacher was saying that. Everybody procrastinates working on their coon. Everybody procrastinates. Nobody wakes up in the morning and says. You know guns blazing. How am I GONNA? Do My spiritual work. Maybe hopefully as Kabala teachers, we do embrace that attitude to some degree, but the worst procrastination is putting off. Let's say the best procrastination, the physical kind not doing the dishes, not paying the bills. The worst kind is not facing the internal to do list the internal the commitment that my soul made. And what I came to the world to do so part of I think what we what we can break down for everybody is how do you of course tips and tools? For? How do you know? Demolish the procrastinating part of ourselves, but also had a we. Replace that procrastinator within with A. Personal trainer. A coach that's going to help us target what I'm sitting here. I have all these things to do. What do I? AM, and there's many I mean you know you you've you've triggered a million thoughts and sorry I'm not sure move out, but but it's the couple maybe. I think one of the issues in procrastination. Is that you and we are you. We all suffer. I mean I think we suffer from this chronically. It's not just a kind of a little HAMAS, the human condition it is right and so chronic issue, and especially if you layer into that. Because in the world of success, it's a chronic issue right because we kind of sabotaging your and success with the excuses that we give. But, but in the spiritual world, procrastination is not chronic. It's it's faithful. It's dangerous. And I think what we do. Is We busy ourselves with lots of very important things? That in the wall of tycoon are so unimportant. And we convince ourselves of their importance, but they are not. Actually getting US anywhere and so. What seems physically as as busy and important spiritually translates to. Avoidance, actually it's pure avoidance and I I would rather keep myself busy and stress and overwhelmed and wound up with this just to avoid that little thing over here. So the pain and the suffering and the issue as much like complain about them. I've chosen because I've traded. The avoidance of this four, the consumption of that and so I'm a Karen. Many times used to ask in in issues. Why would you choose that issue? Why would you choose that failure? Why would you choose that pain? And it seems so apart to think we would choose that because we're complaining. We're asking for help in the issue, but actually it's so true we trade we trade when it comes to procrastination, we trade all day I, avoiding this one thing, which is the breakthrough success, but because it lays in eighty percent more efforts I keep myself busy with the stupid insane amounts of idle talk. Just to avoid that miniscule thing, but in my mind miniscule I'm watching the chat and there's a few people that are saying I'm the opposite I dive into things too quickly. Hopefully now you're seeing with with Marcus. Just said that procrastination again you may be. John. You may jump too early into what you're doing, but we are all somewhere. Somehow avoiding something right some aspect of of our mission and I'm thinking I have i. don't know about you. I find that different teachers have different signs that they they're that attract or that they attract as their students. I have a huge pool of virgo students. Okay, aged, yes, opposite! Yeah, so huge pool of Virgo students and I know many of them are listening right in how and I love you guys. This is I just want to help you also. The they're going to say I. Don't procrastinate no I. Just wait for things to be perfect. And so I I'm I'm using that as A. For the procrastination comes in many different colors and many different costumes. There are people, don't they? They put things off in the name of. It's not the right timing. I don't have all the information. That's a Gemini when I will know when it's the right time. That's a form of procrastination, and so part of part of what we WANNA. Show and the reason. We're talking about it in this week. Is that all week? We're going to have the support of the cosmic support to hone in on. How may getting in my own way? You know if you're if you have that tendency to put things off until all of the ducks are in a row, or you have all the information or you? You get assigned. There are people that wait for science. That's a form of. Procrastination and and a lot of times. I I had a person who sent me a message. Scorpio another a group that I'm. I attract and she said to me you know how am I gonNa how do I move forward right that that I? Think is a big big word or phrase for people. I WANNA. Move Forward. But how do I know when it's the right time? Or how do I know which direction as Mr Right and I said you know? Any movement is forward movement. That's that's that's maybe. For those of you that hold back in the name of not having fill in the blank, if it's the time the information, the money, the partner whatever it is that you're waiting for. Any movement is forward movement and so I WANNA make sure that as we go into the the week. We are paying attention to the subtle ways that we create. The justification for not doing not facing, not addressing. Such a huge point because. The the. The the the biggest procrastination is being busy. It's not from laziness, not from not doing the biggest procrastination is by being so busy in the color we must. She writes about this. He says the you know we're we're we're busied. The whole of the the negative in the world wants to keep a so busy, but we haven't got a time moment to contemplate what earth with doing. And and that kind of segues perfectly into the very very concealed blessing that we will just been through. We kind of we all. Forcibly isolated and our structures and our routines, and probably ninety percents of what we have been forcibly busied with has been decimated, and it's left us with one thing truth. Wasn't earth. Have you been left with? You might have been left with loneliness. We you might even left with the fact that you're so. Insecure or the so distressed, not being able to do a thousand things, and that's the point because the source of security and the source of calm to counter the insecurity in the distress is defined within nothing some in a- peace and and I. It's it's amazing I find that some of the laziest people who I speak to of the busiest people. It's not that they're got their feet up in their bed and the eating pizza watching Netflix all day. The real laziness is is in busying yourself so much keeping you away from your spiritual book. That that's that's an important, but that's. That's a huge self sabotage point there. I I'm I'm I'm sitting and listening like a listener instead of thinking about okay I gotTa Talk. Now I have a whole list of tips, but before we get to the tips I wanNA. Make sure that we're reaching and we've drawn in everybody. Everybody's pitched in so that we can, we can Give the punch line. I think a lot of for for what most people perceive as self sabotage or you know. That procrastination or that avoidance. Maybe we should call it avoidance because. There is one of the things that spiritual growth requires, and this is something that we talk about. At least every other show is you have to know? There is a degree of self acceptance that's required in order to do the work that we're talking about, so you know somebody brought up fear. You know I. I'm afraid of X Y and Z so therefore I'm not doing I'm not facing a B and C. One of the things that Kabala access to do is to love the whole thing. Not Just to love the good parts, and I know that you know maybe in in the world of self, help or self-improvement. This is not a a novel issue about has been talking about this for four thousand years. If you don't. Or. Let's put it this way. I don't want to threaten anybody. It's actually through the imperfect parts that we reveal that greatness, so it's not about pretending. Everything is Okay and not deal you know avoiding touching that the things that need to be transformed or elevated. It is through those things that need to be transformed an elevated that we. Experienced the fulfilment, the joy, and the the happiness that we think we're going to have if we don't touch that thing and so we have a lot of comments. People are saying over eat I'm not you know I don't take care of my health? I I'm plotting revenge on my ex all day long instead of right, I instead of doing the work I'm supposed to do. I over think overthinking is a huge what we talked about it before waiting for things to be perfect or waiting for a sign, but that falls it to me into the over overthinking category You know needing recognition and acknowledgement I think is a huge way that people get in their own way waiting for waiting for the the love and approval in acknowledgement that come from external sources, rather than as you said, get getting it from within from that peaceful calm. Infinite source. There I mean okay that we could have a million of them. Yeah. I think I mean just to pick up on on one of those ideas because I think metaphors. A much larger example of of self sabotage issues. Eating. Right eating. Because most of us know and certainly. If you're aries, you will know that food. Is a huge source of energy. And it's interesting because when I eat, and I am aries, and I am a classic fruity. Eve if I don't eat. The entire system I'm working from. destructs. And and based on that I cannot function I mean I cannot function. I consider myself hopefully, marginally occasionally a spiritual person. But when I don't eat, Meister, his actions of Kabbalah teacher. It goes out the window. It's difficult to be humane when I meet him saying and it's a real test. It's really interesting, so so I think food is an interesting example, but what food I know from from my own experience is. Is it's eating. An emotional replacement. And and Mikoy teases me about Ev- I can only be happy with with you know various parts of of of cabalistic work as as my food. And his wife Bakes the best cakes. It's extraordinary. If you ever give up his August forbid then then go for Monica's cakes. It's a very very easy replacement however. Kate. Cutting anyway, but the point is. that. We eat our emotions right and so a lot of sabotage issues. What they do. Is They numb emotions? We think that if we perform this action, be at this metaphorical drug which could be perfectionism, you say or a physical drug. Your numbing and emotion because your. Your fear or your pain to feel or recall certain emotion. And, so part of the solution has to be to counter that. The root of the action, the root of the behavior is the belief system of some recurring painful emotion so so you can't hit the behavior. You can't stop smoking. That doesn't work. You have to somehow hit the the self, the belief system the habit you'll part of why I'm doing it, and and there will be in any physical self sabotage. Normally an emotion that you're trying to numb out. And so part of the solution has to be the recognition of the positivity of feeling that emotion, because that emotion is somehow light in the tunnel. I think most of us do is. We're trying to fix the negative emotion by numbing it, and hence we do something self sabotaging as opposed to pausing and breathing and recognizing know the feeling is towards the healing of the feeling and to recognize I'm fixing the feeling I'm numbing the feeling which will propagate some kind of addictive self sabotage behavior whereas opening the feeling, which is so counterintuitive, but opening the feeling is the pathway towards a solution to feel. To feel and if if we if we actually snapped them, pause whatever it is with doing whether it be food, or or trying to you know figure out how best to anonymously assassinate ex partners or whatever it may be. Just to sit in to feel. Is painfully powerful. Because you feel in that sense one sec. I feel betrayal. I feel insecurity. I feel inadequacy. That's a big one. Right yeah inadequacy. It's a feel inadequate is pretty pretty big emotion I find. And once you can feel an own and sit in that truth. That's fifty one percent of the game done. Because the pain of that feeling will naturally trigger, a healthy response out. That will not be necessarily the self sabotage. behavior, but obviously there are more steps that, but I don't know, but I wanNA. Dig One one notch deeper into what you just said. Let's say the the pain that were feeding I somebody something very very brilliant. It's not what you eat. It's what's eating you or love that so. Let's say for example is inadequacy. That's the title of the show. ANDROID! If it is an inadequacy or feeling failure or you name it. How do you get to the positive? What what is the positive of that? So. And, this is the tricky pivot right. This is the tricky pivot. I guess first of all. It helps if you have a spiritual inkling to you. Because you just by virtue of desiring to believe aw, by virtue of tried and tested spiritual competent practice, you know somehow. Goodness outranks badness. permeates everything. You're somebody. There's A. There's a purpose to ole things if you know that if you have complete certainty in the fact that this has to be for some reason, and that reason has to be four some good that that's a big beginning. I think once you uncover that emotion, which is maybe not something. Even you should do alone. Because I think alone, the self part then naturally creeks you into sabotage because the painful emotion, it's too painful. My think in A. Teacher or mentor friend setting. If you can open. The fact that you feel unrecognized, needy addicted vulnerable. You just fearful of feeling vulnerable that someone else could hurt you that much. And so the self sabotage, the protection, the Dow will lace every future relationship and the happiness that you think you have in the next relationship isn't happy. It's based on the external part of yourself. That is fulfilled by someone, not potentially hurting you so deeply, and so it's not internal happiness. The entire relationship is built on a flawed material. Called Your Ego. So if you have someone that you can actually dissect that for and you can't. She sit in that vulnerability, and as you say you can. Thread reasons to find esteem reasons to to to layer the ego back to a place where way you can see, it's route. And then work with someone on how to re appreciates. Yourself to begin with. And and you consciousness, and who you are, who you are really, because the pain or the fear or the sabotage, habits and route is false. It's false. It's it's it's complete. Bs Right BS means belief system as opposed to whatever thinking exactly alerts complete bs, because it's not built on truth. and was so scared to get post the pain to the truth that we keep bouncing off the surface pain into self sabotage, but once you get underneath it. There is truth. Each of us has huge ego, but once you get to the soul. You can realize your. A righteous, powerful, old, powerful necessary. Beautiful irreplaceable person who can figures and recreate society in the way that was meant to be. But it takes. I think the banter or the care of the rap of someone a mentor teacher. The just out talk. What is perhaps a a reinforced coping mechanism called self sabotage just? Pretend that you're the voice of the soul and re thread that. I think for a lot of people. The there is a desire to interrupt the procrastination or the avoidance, but the perception that if I can't. Eradicate it completely. I shouldn't even bother and and that to me that that maybe we can step into the the solutions part is that. On a spiritual level it is not a zero sum game. There isn't today. Procrastinate tomorrow you don't. Actually. It's coming back to me. We talked about it maybe six months ago. The idea of celebrating small wins that changes incremental changes, not yesterday I overate today. I'm you know. celery sticks or my best friend, right? There isn't a that's not what we're going for. That's not a hope, nobody. Nobody got that from anything we've said today. The growth is really about. Are Actually have now here. The words Karen Karen Berg in my ear. It's gradual but consistent change so there you know I was reading a great article. Actually last week about this idea that you to ask yourself, and maybe you know if you're in the you fall in the category of the overeating or the you know anything we've talked about the laziness that procrastination waiting for perfection. You can ask yourself. How can I do this one percent better? How can I? How can I be five percent? Healthier more take more initiative, right? Don't look for the I've got to be a different person tomorrow. Because inevitably. If you're a different person tomorrow, you can revert back the following evening to who you were today. Suit suit. If, let's say for example you want to give up smoking. Is it that instead of smoking twenty day you smoke eighteen a day. Tomorrow that's. That's meaning. It's not I'm going to go cold Turkey. You can't go cold Turkey from any negative behavior. Bounce, that's that's setting yourself up for failure. That's for sure unless you've taken care of of in a route during a bounce. Just saying it's just yeah. The the external and I think that that's. The biggest takeaway for me in this conversation is the external is never the problem. It may manifest in the pile of bills, the extra tyre of wait the the you know the relationships that seem fake or false, because we're not really expressing what we need or who we are. That's the external. The internal like you said it's something that's where the issue is, and that's where the work needs to be once. The work is done there. You can go from twenty two zero. I think the problem is. Is If we get to directive on the external, because for some people may be eighteen cigarettes. They might work, but some people that have to zero and just replace it with something like I don't know what. Kabbalah one so so so, but but I think for many people because they're the constitution are so different. That's pap something in the sense that we're not always. It's not always so clear how to physically. One size fits all I'm saying right by think what is clear. And what we what? We are good at what we can do is, we can nail into the spiritual desire underneath that physical desire because you're wanting something. I want protection therefore I'm sabotaging relations the second that relationship because getting too deep too fast I'm out. So I want protection more than my love. I want self protection more than they want a relationship. And I'll complain with my friends about how I can't find a relationship. Not The right person relationship that relationship is going sour and various things, but actually what you're wanting is happening. And the whole excuse of an ego of why isn't it happening? Or How could this have happened? Is is a is a kind of illusion world. I bought into. That has zero ground. Zero Besa to psychological is through so yeah if we get down to the spiritual route. I think that's that's very pathan. Exactly like you say when you when you away at something spiritual, it makes sense you know. If you make a crack in a wall, all the light can can slowly eventually. You're immediately flow through that crack. And that's the point to to get into I finally. My obsession is ego, but I think when you catch identify. One of the desires of the roots behind wine earth. You're doing that. If you actually have a spiritual mentor, you can work that through with so. Viciously and so. Raw. I think what was pleasurable to you five minutes ago suddenly becomes painful here. And I think that we're quite primal actually and I think we naturally do what's pleasurable and naturally avoid. What's what's painful? And so even the spiritual sation you chip away the ego, and you can find the spiritual feeling underneath that you've been running from, and then re thread that to become a positive feeling that you recognize that you need suddenly without realizing it your habits and your behaviors will turn because the root underneath those choices chases pleasure which has shifted. It. You something you said sparked A. I remember the conversation I had with somebody. Who I'm sure is also listening to the show right now. That you know they're. They're unhappy in their marriage. WHO WHO's? Suddenly we're GONNA, tagging one another and the comments they're. They're on how I want to hear your perspective. They're unhappy with their. I'm going to call it home life because it's not just husband it's kids are not doing not listening me anymore i. Listen I know that. We'll her kids are. Where kids are older, so. A lot of you know in conversations with her. She is said things like well. He's Never GonNa Change so why bother? And or I can't make I can ask them one hundred times and it. Doesn't you know they don't get off the couch? They don't get off the phone. They don't clean their room Blah Blah Blah. In what you said. I thought of the you know what I wish I could have said to her in that moment. When and that's why. I hope she's listening now is. Even if they never change even if they never get off the couch, they never get off their phone. They never tell you. Thanks, mom, you're the best or thanks honey. You're the best. That growth that you're talking about that change whether it's a one percent change a five percent change at the the tiniest crack in that wall. is going to be like. A thousand candles in a dark room. It is always worth that voice that tells you it's not worth it. That's what we're talking about this week. That is the part of us. That prevents us from chipping away at the rock that if we had started shipping ten years ago when the thought first dawned on us that I'd like things to be better in this relationship. If we had gotten the Chisel out in that moment and just wacked it a little, there would be no wall today, but that voice tells us don't bother. It's not worth it. No one's going to notice I'm the on. I'm not worth it. There's so many that that what Marcus has calling the ego many times in the show we talk about it the opponent, and by the way we had people commenting that are in your Kabala when as we've been mentioning the last few weeks last few months. Actually we, we've had these different various Kabala ones with thousands of people in it by the way. Way, David's Kabala one that he mentioned last week. It's starting July thirteenth. We'll put the link in the Com- answer. If you need it by email, you can email. US. Energy Boosted Kabala Dot. Com and get you that Global Cabello one link you can participate with thousands of people from around the world. Pay What you can, it's fantastic and you know many of you are familiar with. David and his ability to make me Squirm, so you can have ten weeks of that personally for you guys on on starting July thirteenth anyway that that ego. Force that you referenced is a lot of what we talk about in that Kabbalah. One as you mentioned as people are saying here on the chat. Purposely designed to be. A chameleon to be something that is almost impossible to detect without that support from the outside. You know it's called a blind spot because you can't see into it, but anybody else not standing where you are can see it, sir, so, how long do we have? Yeah, we. We're about ten minutes. Okay, so so just. Takes it into a slight him direction and baps skits dangerous and I'll come back and hopefully it will justify the second. So I want to pick up on one thing you said about that student. Because I think once you dig in to the belief system underneath the self sabotage behavior. There are many types and categories of belief systems that have built our own belief systems. And one is a culture belief. Clearly, we know that based on way you're born. Which country born in? Typically your belief system is going to be different. It's not based on anything, spiritual or unifying. It's based on just your peer group. How you brought up if you were froze up in China or or London. Or Los Angeles the way you will think and dress and respond and stand up for yourself is entirely different that that we know I think. But one of the most provocative and profound belief systems that we all are bouncing off of now invisibly. Imagine is our parents. And so when we're kids and kids can be through teens as well. We are all reflecting. The belief system of parents which we have labeled as normal, which might not be normal at all. But. We have made normal based on the fact that. Our normal? And so imagine this and I say this without wanting to offend because I think certainly is apparent What you just said one thousand things I'm doing. Wrong. Quote Unquote wrong that the I need to work on, but if as a parent with thinking, even forget about even saying saying his mortgage, but he did with thinking. They're never going to change. Even if we're thinking that they're never going to change I guarantee that thought will come out in many words and actions. That might not be literal. And it can go. Forbid creates a situation where they won't change. Because we're creating the environment for their beliefs. That's another brilliant example of self sabotage. Right exactly and the another. You know awful. Spin on that is that if you were the child now thinking? Wow, it's because my parents always thought I was never going to change I've just think how the solution to my life. That's also self sabotage. Because that judgment blame victim mentality is not self. There's a self sabotage, and of course you can blame your parents you want. But it's not true that is their fault foetal how they directly control or govern your life so so it just triggered lots of different thoughts when you said that. The. Fact that the cabalistic fact of the matter is that the sole contract and everything you know we talk about in the show, the concept of tycoon. Basically that whatever your t coon is, whatever your soul came to Transform, whatever your soul came to share with the world. That's a contract you signed with the Creator before coming to the to this lifetime, and your parents are part of that system to program you with what you need to transform, so you know I always joke that our parents know how to push our buttons the best because they installed them. They know exactly where they are not to their fault. It's not you know again. You can blame them all you want. They're part of the casting crew. Crew that was hired by the producer in the sky to give you the set up for what you need to work on in this life, so it's not again on a on a certain. You can connect the dots and say well. My parents said this to me five thousand times. Therefore, it became my bs my belief system, but you ask for those parents to program you that way because it's exactly in this lifetime that you can overcome that you can transform it. We are not giving anything that we can't handle so that what Marcus was sharing about? Setting, people up for failure setting people up boxing them in especially our kids and I think we do that with our partners as well. We have fantasies about how things should be how things could be and when they're not, we label them. He is like this. She is that and they're never going to change now. The expectation you shouldn't look at them and say well, you better change. But the the putting them in a in a cement block isn't gonNA help them change either and so part of what we want and by the way I usually say this earlier on in the show. If we can help you if you have someone in your life that you feel needs this message whether they're spiritual whether they know what Kabala it doesn't matter right. The whole purpose of this show is for our listeners, not only to grow and transform, but to have something to share with the people that they care about to give them the inspiration, the tools the techniques to create shifts. The Sherritt tag them in the comments, let us be the messengers. You can share the podcast. You can rate and review some more people we we get that visibility. The more I always say imagine ten thousand more people were doing this work this week. How different the world would look, and that's one of the reasons that we we try to bring more more guests bring more people into our ecosystem, so that there can be greater that much more of a of a shift, Marcus. We have about two and a half minutes left. You have any bombs you WANNA drop. I mean I'm not a two minute bomb person bombing world. And years get go for it but but new stuff or some stuff. What do you? What do you want to give? Give us a new nugget and I'll wrap it up. I think one of the things you said was interesting that the sparked me thinking about perfectionism as well. I think. I think also you know. It's an excuse, isn't it? We try to reach the imperfect by by by doing nothing. WHICH SOUND SO Steve? When you say it right, you're trying to be perfect, and because it's not perfect, you endure nothing, and even if you do something, you never get that, because perfection doesn't exist, and so it's an entire sabotaging thought to try to be perfect either I'm going to act and do nothing because I can't be perfect or I'm gonNA. Chase my tail and do so much and never be perfect and again I think one of the summaries I I I'm getting as talking. Is that when you reframe or re associate. The feeling if you get inside the feeling of affection of vulnerability. You can recreate something very positive in that I. don't need to be perfect. It is wrong to want to be perfect. I wish to be excellent. I wish to be great. I can achieve greatness, and actually this is the incremental way as he chevy says that I will manifest greatness, but but that is very cheerful. That is very many festival. That is very accountable. That is very chargeable. That growth is with a mentor very reachable. But the thought and the untackled belief system perfectionism as an example. Is impossible either by doing so much or by by undoing everything. So Hashtag Virgo friends. Now the the I think you know again. Marcus I know you can't see the comments, but people are. Bowing down to you. On Social Media Hashtag, you become. So I, mean by the way we have. A Handle on the screen, but you can follow Marcus for to see what he's up to at. I am Marcus Westin on instagram rate and will put some clips up there later in the day. No matter where you're listening, you can find us on facebook, igt. Youtube and all the podcast platforms that you that exist. That are out there, Marcus. I hope that will get you to come on another show in the near future or we can you know we'll? We'll work something out we'll. We'll snag you while you're here I think the. Rep something please just. Thinking I hate things that are just sort of theory, and you get an hour of of issue for hours. But but I like to kind of snapshot stuff so almost like a kind of summary Tool in my mind, because I mind works very a you know, a calculated an an and precise so. So in my mind, the summary of this just if you're into a summary Tolls, and action tools is that there is a piece of self sabotage that is invisible. And that's the first step to make visible. What's invisible and that might be by talking to mentors teachers? Friends loved ones. family are always good for that because they've always got a different judgmental view of you, so so that's the first thing to make invisible to make visible the invisible. For me than what you're saying, the second stage is. To identify the behaviors and habits, so then you have a real luck into one I'm doing that was perhaps invisible now is visible. The third is to identify the has to be a belief system that is very different to that action. And that belief system is going to include some kind of avoidance or escape feeling technique. The last thing was saying if you can really talk with US spiritually infused. David L. E. Chevy type. About how to? Re Associate and reframe because once you identify the because of your fear vulnerability. You've been killing the relationship. You can re associate vulnerability, not as weakness but strength vulnerability is the greatest greatest strength we talk for whole. Hour just about that one point, and once you really re thread that vulnerability is your strength, and you should be proud of it where on your sleeve, and shut it from the rooftops and step up and stand up and do your thing with your vulnerable energy, then it's going to dissolve that self sabotaging behavior that you could hit forever, but won't ever get to the roots and change so that. The principle, summarizing well things that you said Marcus so eloquently did David's job because he's usually the summariser I'm the I'm the ethereal you know throwing out. Exactly. He's structure that so thank you for that Marcus thank you for being with us this morning. As always, you can continue to write your comments and questions. If you don't want to write them publicly, you can send them to energy boost at Kabala DOT com. Like share and review and we'll see you next week on the weekly energy boost.

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Bodies Stacked & The Dirty Pilot

Bad In The Boondocks

1:12:07 hr | 1 year ago

Bodies Stacked & The Dirty Pilot

"Today's episode of bad in the Boondocks first of all me Andrew are back in the same room at the same time. And I'm GonNa tell you a tale of Marcus Wesson Jerus- GonNa tell you a tale of Willis Brown you're listening to bad in the boondocks baby Hey and welcome to bad in the Boondocks as always I'm one of your host. Stay and Jerus- How's it going? Everybody it's going pretty good. I'm just I'm super excited. Glad that we are here because together we was together right sure. Well Yeah Yeah this grand. That's it today. I'm a tiny bit still but not real sick. All you sound like never mind. I'll say like country Fokker. No I was just talking about milk in it. You sound like somebody over trying to get well. Nobody takes care of me so nothing to milk. My wife Cities God Dude. But anyway speaking of country he motherfucker. We're not just the other day we were just talking about first of all. Let me tell you this and this is really pissed me off and made me upset. Cram CON. They were jaded us so we won't be there this year as expected. I guess because we're pure shit I guess so I guess so. But if we'RE NOT ABSOLUTE PURE SHIT. Please write us on. Apple. Maybe next year we can get into crump. Gone All be great either. Write us on Apple Pie chaser or stitcher. Yeah way or spotify way yes spotify Google. Yeah Okay and I might add that link in our notes but speaking of hit while talking the other day we've gone road and I was like you know drew because we go to the gym every day together and we ride bat and I'm like you know city folk folk folk and by city folk. I mean if you've got a thousand people you've got a big acid folk but if they go and go shopping and they go back to their truck or car and they try to cry and it don't cry They call maybe take shots Sam to the damn expensive no city folk call roadside assistance or their husband. Why it'd be like call start? Oh No but you know True Truth Truth Huck and Contra Boys what we do is me tell you some we crack the hood we get a hammer we start man William Battery older battery. Okay and then we say it's good. Sure sure enough. Crank them right. Oh that's the difference. There's another difference. We used to go fishing and we will stay tonight at River. Loci we had no damn window onto trump no. It was too dark the time we had a win. Oh yeah but it was too hot summertime so we were sleeping. Oh for a few hours just to say this was a nice Ram with him when the Henry. Okay so we do have. We do have for the site. The compound Edward known as the how it be in me Andrew. It's hot as hell because it's the middle of summer which means in the nighttime it's about eight force well. She got rolled around the wind. As you know. But then you've got twenty million Mosquitos okay. I don't really know why we do. Well guess what. Guess what daddy does guess what stand us. You know what this time that we go fishing. My daughter's got a damn canopy. Hannah pee on her bed. That's fine looks like a mosquito net. My daughter don't want that canopy no more so I cut that shit off. That's exactly what I did. I cut the shit off. We go. He went to the river and this time. Guess what Roldan Windows Down because guess what Stan had some duct tape to gorilla tape we use real or not duck tape that canopy right to the to the windows. Guess what no more snow more mosquitoes spreading. It was pretty. It was cooler. It was cool and no mosquitoes think that idea. Yes well now about tell them about our Kurt before that they had to Redo before that I just wanted to say in wants whenever we were driving the grain truck at he got into Iraq. We stopped at this place. I've been in a few red. Yeah in every wreck totals my vehicle in Achim. We stopped at this place. I so the truck of course will not crank. We popped up the hood. We fiddled with it and then Baghdad Bob Lanka. We banged it. It wasn't star so here comes this guy. He come over here now so us. Oh you need to jumpstart Pale notice. I know but do you. Do you have some heavy metal? Yep something have you ever rent or any pulled out the hammer Bam Bam Bam like. He was looking at us. The strangest way but guess what burn we said we said. Okay try it now. Bam you crank right up. So don't we go to podcast room and our occurred well. Curtain falls due to a curse. You called into your decorator put up a new damn thing to hold up a new current one the bitch. You'RE GONNA pay an honest. The other bars for a new curtain. Non Dot gorilla tape will work actually. I didn't use gorilla tape. That is the name. Oh that's why fail. You had to Redo it today. Yeah debris do well it fail the thing to on? Hold it the little ball thing will. That's gone so about my little so I've been the Middle Hook us was to hold it up and you just read that tape right around their whole. Just nice look at that. We have cast room one day. Mom Go we just stitched shit together with and it just as clean as day heels right up right. Those were just some Tom that other day. Just to let y'all know and that's how country always do 'cause comfortable can't survive. Can't you booze came from? Yes all right say grace and they've yanked and that we don't give a damn turn it as gopher. Please click that link on our show notes. Sleaze and rate us at this point in time. I don't give a shit if you write a one star but it would be nice to give us five because I do have mental health problems. She depressed and stuff so it would hurt my feelings and you wouldn't want me to kill myself so cheese then right as five stars and I won't Sadaqa Deal No. Please don't care whether I do or not bro. Shut the HALO H. You didn't even think of me. No God whatever dome somewhere anyways. Also go check out our instagram. Give us a follow on their where we put some stuff and you know stuff basically amount. That's about it if you won't see our Little rigged up curtain. I'll post that today. Hell Yeah so you can go see that and and we've got goes back not so we can't even walk out the noise walkout choice to make if y'all could see us if y'all were in our rain hopefully I wouldn't be able to fit because too many of you but if y'all were in our room this is some. I won't even say Ghetto Shit. This is some red neck mob ship. Okay we have got about. Our walls are stapled or old with with roses with roses. Foam mattress toppers walls walkout. That sound okay. We do have some nice expensive soundproof. Curtains and Fr- behind each of you know however the rest of this rheumatism. It's a redneck. She is fun We do have a have a house is not a home without a Dawson yes our weenie don or to enter birthday bag in. Houston this household three weeks three weenies well on the big ears a little wing. I know right. I'm the one that made you okay. Well anyways I think that we're going to go hit and jump on into these stories. Well you go first. It's Tom because okay. Well mine is all Marcus West. Alka Nath Road. I'm still horses to take. I'm going to have to take a drink of course because my throat so Gupta I heard comes good for your throat. But I'm not trying wildwood anybody. He'd be no that that's what I was told all right. I'm GONNA DO Marcus Wesson. And he's known as the Vampire King of Fresno the date March twelfth. Two thousand four this. He looks a mess picture. This officers are called to a scene. A West Hammond Avenue in Fresno California where a heated argument over custody breaking out. Once they're officer speak to Ruby Ortis and SOFINA Solorio along with some family members who are with them. They are worried to the point of panic. Claiming their children are being held captive inside the rundown office building. They are adamant that the man inside their uncle Marcus Wesson. It's going to hurt their children. So the police knock on the door to speak to Wesson and try to resolve the issue. A titanic which means a big motherfucker of a man with grain dreadlocks down to his waist. Nappy answers the door. How much you weigh fo o about wandered about the bat right? Turn not a follower what he say whenever they answered the door. Well you do miss. He was calm and cooperative. He agreed to turn over the children but he wants to tell him goodbye. I So we asked the officers to wait right there. White Rot there. Let me go us on Google car and closed the door. Nope well the neighbors later. Say that they heard gunshots. But but but the police deny hearing anything or whatever warrants without a warrant or any indication that there's a safety issue. The police don't have the authority to enter the Western House. So they wait however let me tell you they wait for nearly an hour and a fucking half. I think so. I don't care if I hear anything. It don't take an hour and a half to say Gerber no give. He was taking okay. They came to take the children. They came there and check out because people were frantic that he was going to hurt that. You Okay and they go and not to take children there. They were there to check on it. Okay take children or whatever but they not on the door. He answers looking like a fucking mess with dreadlocks down. Conway's loot like he's on crack right as a I'll turn or let me go by and then shut the door. They're like okay less. He can't go back an hour and a half later. They really that makes no sense. Some police officers are stupid whenever they're in training and have to endure the whole tasers test. I think it does something to their brain. Oh so I think so. Okay at least these author because we're tired after nearly an hour and a half full. Wesson walks out the front door but his clothes were covered in blood as he surrenders to the arresting officers. Other officers rush inside the House Am I. I think if it was an hour and a half now definitely you just hope. I'm maybe the Dory I don't care if I would have gotten if you would have gotten in any trouble. They love to make up stuff like some love to make up things about what happens in order for them to search a car or go into a household but yeah something about police insertion a call. This we'd way this what you always talkin. Oh but yeah this time. They can't make up. I don't like this. I can't see they can't make up a fricken story for them to go in and search the Damn House and the neighbors they did he that they heard gunshot and -opoly that but the police didn't hear none whatever their full shit anyway inside despite the sunny afternoon they just kill them children. That's what they did. They killed them. The building is dark and silent against one wall. Several coffins are stacked up then. They enter a back room inside that back room. Covered in blood is a pile of bodies. M- the vessel in any horror. Movie You've learnt never enter evacuating some of which are children each had been shot through the APP but because the bodies were in such a tangle it took many hours before the police could even determine how many victims there were and it was several days before they were all identified. Once they were these were the victims. That were stacked one on top of each other. Sabrina April Wesson h twenty five April Kina Wesson h Seventeen Alabel Kerry ouessant age eight Aviv. Dominique Western h seven. Jonathan Saint Charles. Will Western age? Seven Sedonia Solorio Western. H too marshy sank. Christopher with too many family may children. Isn't Ethan Saint Lawrence lesson h four and Jeeva Saint Western age one. So that's a total of nine bodies and guess what eight of them are under the age of eighteen. This bad I don't see how I can do it. I don't in trying to determine the next of kin the corner had DNA testing donald all the victims when the results came back the true extent of Marcus West since depravity was family reveal Marcus West and seemed always wanted to be a spiritual leader. Holly Luhya don't we always hear this or a lot of times? He was born in nineteen forty six oldest of four children into what could only be called a dysfunctional family. His Father Benjamin was an abusive alcoholic. Who Never Hell down a steady job and once left the family for several years to live with another man own. The other hand is mother. Carey was a strict seventh day. Adventist who led the Family Daily Bible Studies and would whip the children with an electrical cord. Despite all of this as a child. Marcus was remembered by relatives as kind and a good singer. His favourite game was playing preacher. Marcus dropped out of high school at age. Seventeen and joined the military where he was a medic or ambulance driver. Sources different this. He left the military with an honorable discharge and settled in San Jose California. That's where he met Rosemary. A woman thirteen years old growth than him who had eight friskin children from previous relationships. Don't you find that sexy and I must say is commendable. If you find a woman's chances child or you know you can stand up and be a man about but after eight children. I don't know I don't know but Marcus seemed eager to take on the big family. Since he believed they needed a shepherd to guide them and he was just that shepherd the the two soon had a son together so now we have nine at one point one of Rosemary's older daughters also named Rosemary. So that's not confusing at all struggled with drug addiction. Drop Golf her seven children U. Series. So let's to eight plus seven. And how many does that equal fifteen? Yeah said that Tommy. Children was in the household plus the two adults. So how many is that seventeen? Wow working household you know the house over a very big mansion but it was Rosemary's eight year old daughter Elizabeth. That Marcus was most fixated. No he claimed that God had told him that Elizabeth was his wife and he hailed a home marriage ceremony to the child. He then took her out of school to begin personally quote unquote teaching her. When Elizabeth was twelve he began sexually. Assaulting her shockingly. Rosemary's reaction to this was not to protect your dollar instead she merely insisted that they wait until Elizabeth was of legal age. Fifteen years old get married house. Fifteen years old in some states the ages different the team but at fourteen Elizabeth became pregnant with Marcus baby and the two word as soon as she was of legal age to marry. Marcus would go onto father. Ten more damn children with her before. She reached the age of twenty six before so ten more children before she was in less than twelve years. Okay so this is just wonderful right. I think I need a drink. It's not wonderful. Well many people wonder why Rosemary didn't protect her children for Marcus. But HER OBEDIENCE. Most likely was the result of profound fear brainwashing. Or maybe both after all Marcus's idea of quote shepherding on quote. The family was to rule over them with an iron fist. That he was not he even made a family where to him as master and Lord he was a brutal abuser beating the women and the children with electrical cords baseball bats and his fist. One son Serafino recounted being beaten beaten for thirty days straight for the crime of stealing a spoonful of peanut butter really really so fina recall Marcus. Beating their one month old. Infant one month old infant. Janna `then until his legs bled because he wouldn't stop going like that's GonNa make saw because he believed the world was full of CNN. He isolated the family and forbade them to have contact with outsiders. All the children were home schooled quote unquote. Once when Safina tried to leave. He stabbed her in the chest. He also moved them around a lot. Once they lived in a rusted out. Tugboat let me read that again. Once they lived in a rusted out. Tugboat her with no electricity or running water. Where Marcus made the entire family. Stay below deck so they wouldn't be seen way and this ENA tiny family they were on the water. Yeah they will. Yeah but it didn't move from shore then when he oh yes they were on the water sewer. They wore on the water but he made them stay below deck. Well at least they have water. You well with he would go to shore. He made the women row his raft like slaves then for the better part of twelve years they lived in an old Army Tint. They even lived in a school bus for a while. Moving up and down the California coast before finally purchasing the old office building on Hammond Avenue. Daily life inside the Western household followed the playbook up every authoritarian Colt each day three times a day. Marcus got to play preacher in real life. Subjecting the family too many hours. Long Bible Studies that were based on his own hodgepodge of religious beliefs including the he was God and that Jesus Christ was a Damn Vampire Unsurprisingly. He was fascinated by and felt a kinship with fellow cult leader. David Koresh during the nineteen ninety three siege of the compound in Waco Texas. Marcus was glued to the TV. He told his family quote. This man is just like me. He is making children for the Lord on quote and like rash. Marcus had a deep hatred of law enforcement. Probably because he was breaking summing name walls he even mandated a suicide pack if any government official ever tried to take the children away or split up the family. The mothers were to kill their children and themselves he he. He made monthly family meetings to discuss the details of this plan. And it's hard to express how completely markets controlled every aspect of his family's lives. The women and the girls were expecially subjugated. They had to dress long skirts and have headscarves. They had to walk behind him and remained silent in public. They were forbidden to talk with men. If they talked to a man they would be beaten even their own brothers and cousins. They could not talk to without being beating because if they talk to even their brothers and cousins they would develop sexual feelings for other men. Their lives were filled with unending labor. They were responsible for taking care of the many many children as well as the cleaning the cooking. Even if there was no running water oriole atrocity. They were also expected to wait on Marcus hand and foot. They had to wash his massive dreadlocks and even scratches armpits in addition anyone old enough to work outside. The home was expected to do so and hand over all their wages to marcus asks for Marcus. Of course he refused work and instead drew welfare benefits in such poverty. Food was scarce. The children said they often had only rice to eat. And would dig. And don't stretch food. Marcus meanwhile don don't fast food enough that by the time he was arrested he weighed nearly three hundred and looks like he weighs about five hundred and was so wide they needed three sets of handcuffs. But that is not even the worst of Marcus's crimes as soon as the girls in his family including his nieces and daughters. The age of about eight. Marcus began what he called loving. He would begin by fondling them in their beds at night. Then move up to outright sexual assault in order to quote UNQUOTE. Teach them to be better women then he would marry quote unquote each of them in his own ceremony where the girl would lay her hand on. The Bible and Marcus would lay his hand over hers. While they recited marriage fails then. Marcus would give the girl a gold wedding band and necklace and this started at age h for each girl for each niece and daughter. Marcus went onto father. Seven more children by his nieces daughters that he already had fathered tanner. How many people is this lost one way or the other wife? So that's eleven plus seven so that's a total of eighteen eighteen short yes wife in his twisted beliefs polygamy was mandatory and incest produces the seed of perfection of oneself. Know why away the original non right yes? You had an original nine. That was the woman with other relationships. There's but once he got with her. He had one child with her. Yes okay remember with the one dollar. By the age of Twenty Six. He had had ten children remember. Nineteen now yes. But I'm not counting those original okay. So we can count the original. So that's okay. Plus an additional four none none of seven seven that is twenty six six plus four thirty two no twenty six for. I don't know where you're talking about. Four that you go on have now. I said he went onto father seven more children. That was the seven twenty six kids. Yes and remember. They lived in a tug buses a bus and then finally an office building. Oh Wow what happened to? That is twenty six Well also people for some more kids anymore but that is wack wack is one word to word thing might be crawling up. B.'s. The f-bomb up our fucked up. Who has big stick? I said he's probably the biggest stick out of the way he's a fucking asshole hopefully didn't have the biggest victory was fucking children for their sakes has to bring up. Hopefully it's not. That is true. I would hope he had a tiny one. Because it isn't it should have been cut off. Yeah sometimes don't you wish that you could do that? You just cut off some light. These people's Dick Slave. Slaves didn't happen instead. All of it was replaced by him with all these people Washington hanging upside down as they saw off his nuts. And and and then they'll embed it to stick Dickens astle pitas nuts too often even better on the damn good blocking swallow it and also cut off his toes and make sure that he doesn't die right suffer suffer exactly and just keep home. Cutting them repeatedly repeated. Wow you're kidding. Very deep into art buried deep and dark right now which you also wanted to also won't do a little bit of shock treatment to his eyeballs. Oh my gosh what's left so you're GONNA have to get like of you know like a battery or something like that. Of course you you first start out with oddballs and then you go down and you wear. There is no more nuts. You stick it right there. Thank you shove you shove the which call it. The taste is that the police use you. Show that up there in the set off about ten minutes you know and just for the hell of it. Shove Indyk plan is asked. That is the best one I like that. Yeah that one's even better not an eggplant nowadays plant. You know how big a Clinton is a horse. The Horse Dick. Oh my God book there make him lead. Yes yes wow. We're really getting away from story because I just. I just because prisoners ship. Oh no what are the prison dicks fucking. Nope you need a horse. Exactly you need a horse or song. There's plenty horses around here. Big Is this round of this will make plants bigger than that. Okay then was Charlie Ward Cup. That's about like that. That is giant. This one right here the Super Cup. That's big enough this about seven inches around if you believe that. Okay so moving on now. Moving out now for most of the members of Marcus's family. This way of life was all that they had ever known but two of his Nieces Ruby Ortis and Safina. Solorio WANTED OUT OKAY. But their sister. Rosa solorio remained loyal to Marcus. Marcus eventually agreed that they could go but only if they left their children. Jonathan and Aviv behind home. Desperate to escape the two agreed and got the hill out Yup but as they adjusted to the world outside of Marcus's tight control. They started to understand that what he did to them. What he was still doing to the rest of the family was abusive. See I don't know anything different. So on March twelfth two thousand and four well no one said he was the smartest Jesus in the world. Dude let them go. They're going to figure out that is abusive and call the law. Okay well I'll march twelfth two thousand and four. They gathered several relatives for support and they went back to the Western home against rescued their children. Who are both now seven years old? None of this would have happened if those police would have went inside. None of it knowing nothing would have happened. No there'd be like seemed okay to us. The kids would have been alive really. Do you think away. Oh you talking about the the policeman at the beginning. Yeah Okay yes I agree. None of this would've happened. Yes but it seems like this is too awfully case from ever comes to law enforcement and stuff like that off but I do feel an hour and a half of saying goodbyes. Just a little too much. It should never happen. That's the thing like you don't wait at a person's door for an hour and a half in half while you're there to check on the king kids. Oh okay. Well that's when the shouting match broke out. Marcus remained calm but refused to let ruby or Safina come inside the house to get their children. The women of the household shouted at Them Calling Them Judas horse and bitches and commanding them to bow down to your master Jesus as for Ruby in so fina. They knew they had to get their children out of the house immediately. They were fully aware of the suicide pact. That the family had made yet when the police arrive? They ignored the women's pleased that he was going to hurt the children and they also ignored one of Marcus's son telling them that his father owned a gun. First off the is the did you just far now I did. I don't know I saw you. That is euphoric you did for I. His grandkids are they not. Who's crank it? Marcus yeah okay. We'll some a lot. Almost all of them are nieces daughters and children because remember he had sex. He was having babies by all the nieces and delivers exactly some of grandkids boiled. They would also be his children. He would be grain debt that is also true he would be Granddad and Dan. He's actually. Wow Yeah that's what I'm saying like those were light did the did they not tell the the police that that. Like on the child of Marcus. He has macho. I don't think they went through all of that but still yet. I don't care that they didn't go through all that they have listened to what those people were telling them exactly anyway. So the warnings want work considered enough evidence of a threat to the children's safety for them to force entry to the house bullshit and when the shots rang out. The police said they didn't hear them back. Although many other neighbors did so who you think telling the truth. I don't think so Publi neighbors or till I'm pretty sure if you're standing right outside the door you would hear gunshot even with a silencer. Exactly and I don't think Marcus had a silencer. The case was considered the worst mass murder in Fresno history and the officers who encountered the bloody pile of children's bodies were so traumatized that of course they had to seek counseling. The first on children killed when Marcus Wesson appear to stand trial a year? Later he was different manner entirely. The man who once ruled over. His family like a tyrant wasn't shackles. Once he was a fucking large intimidating man but now without a horrible of women to cater to his every whim he dropped half his weight his dreadlocks. Once were passed US WASTE. Now they were cut to Xeres. He was charged with nine counts of first degree. Murder and fourteen counts of molestation and rape as members of his family testified. Many of whom were still very loyal to the jury came to learn of the horrors. Marcus had impeded on his family. Marcus defense was to claim the heating kill. Anyone can kill anyone that Sabrina had absolutely pulled the trigger murdering the children and then herself the evidence was inconclusive. There were no prints on the gun. But guess what Sabrina. Dna was her body was on top of all the others and the murder weapon. A twenty two Ruger M K to was found underneath. Or how would it be underneath her? She shot herself however it's not known if she lay where she failed or if she was placed. There almost just say. I'm just go along with him here. This is a third party here. I'M GONNA say did She replaced their well. That's brilliant and the same could be said about the gun. The gunshot wound to in. Her head was inconclusive as well. I don't see a woman shooting all those children in the eye anyway. The gunshot wound in. Her head was inconclusive. As well while consistent with a self inflicted wound a shot at close range couldn't be ruled out either and I'm saying he had a fucking hour and a half. So how many gunshots were there? Quite a mini in the police sitting here any bull shit. Ruby and Safina's testimony show that Marcus had complete control over the family and the he had commanded them to commit this at remember all this time they were supposed to suicide. Yeah I feel like maybe not suicide but maybe I'm shoot all Yuma fuck masks. Yes just I you know if the police ever tried to interfere but if he had Sabrina now some remember were very oil. If having Sabrina Kill the children then herself would fit with this pattern of having a woman. Do the hard work. Because he's a shitty ass while he walks away on the other ham family now laters usually kill their families then attempt to blame the crime the WHO mother in the end. It didn't matter to the jury who actually pulled the trigger. Thank give a Shit Marcus. Wesson was found guilty on all counts and on June. Twenty seven. Two Thousand and five. He was sentenced to a hundred and two years for the rape and molestation charges just for the and molestation for the murder of his children and grandchildren. He received the. I'm not GONNA say that. Say The damn death penalty the DP. He was sent to San Quentin prison. Loose which is the nation's largest death-row there. Guess what he was in company of such infamous murderers as Rodney Alcala. The dating name killer Charles in you got. We did a podcast on that. Your member. Richard Davidson Scott Peterson. Who I think we all know emaar then. California Governor Gavin newsom signed Moratorium on the death penalty sparing Marcus Westerns life. Because you know he bear because he felt so bad and spared. All these kids live. You wouldn't have gotten killed. No way still been death. I know but thankfully he will never be eligible for parole. He got tough imprisoned because now not on death row because guess what I would think I would rather him be in regular prison. You know why okay. Yes yes after this. But I'm saying he was on death row in you know what I would rather the death throes be in regular population you know why because they give the because on death row. Are they not in a single sale? They have their own sale to their self correct and they don't have to see the other. They are in the silver twenty three hours a day. I think so men are they getting asked for. When are they didn't beat the hell up there? Not because they're protected. And you know what screw that ship? But Elizabeth and the surviving children are now grown and they have come to see how brainwashed they had been and how delusional psychotic enor- cystic narcissistic drew. Marcus was well an twenty ten. They broke all their media silence and spoke to reporters at ABC News. They've all tried to heal and move on with their lives as best they can but at least at least they no longer. Any of them won't have any contact with Marcus and that is a blessing. Yep that's my story room store under that you say messed up by safe fucked up whatever nothing wrong and I messed up. Door are thought. Yeah so you want to take a little break from that deep dark shit yes and whenever we come back because obviously he's Never GonNa be tot up upside down. He's not going to have his head. Cut off shove. Jenas asshole nuts fed to him. He's not going to have his toes. Cut Off hey fingers cut off. And he's not going to be right by Eggplant or Horse Cup or dress so I think that's pretty shitty. That's what he deserves deserves. No less elephant Dome He. He deserves the elephant. Shit right on his face. I've never seen an elephant. Now is up bigger than Horse Dung. I'm have to look that up in the Earth's gets shoved up the elephants pass. That would be interesting. 'cause you know that would just suck him right up and he was suffocate that would would this non toed feet flailing about him. Yes that's what would happen. You heard it here first. Red Neck Justice. Yes you amy Murat. Now I'm taking a little short short little break and we're back. Yes that half a second. Thank you for staying with us. Okay anyway so do you have a story for us. Yeah I've got a story for us. Well the Victim I'm actually GONNA talk about. Is Regina Brown Ojeda Mojo Reggie? And she's a very pretty lady actually and Let's just get into regime white known that I'm going to try to Regina. Brown was a thirty five year old African American woman living in Newtown Connecticut and actually she does not look like an African American woman. Does she really does not? She looks like a Tam White woman. Not even that Dan she just she just looks like a white woman who even her hands on that I met. She looks good the She was a flight attendant for American Airlines and was married to a pilot. Fifty two year old Willis Brown look quite a low wage. Difference Thirty Five yo-you so way. Age Difference in twelve seventy years years. Damn that's good bit Willis also owned the moped man. But why what the MOPE Hadman a moped rental Biz? Time Block Island Rhode Island are up. The couple had three children Nicholas. H for Rena. H three and Ashley. H To Regina Willis had complicated five year marriage was Willis accused was accused of domestic violence several times and was even arrested after strangling. Regina during one of their fights will schiller just been feeling lucky that he was married to her being fixed room saying he better be lucky A judge issued a restraining order against will as he was not allowed near Regina their children or the family's home. He moved into an apartment in Queens New York on occasion. Regina allowed him to visit their children. During the Marriage Willis Head accused Regina of abusing drugs and being unfaithful even claimed their children. Were Not Biologically. His six six paternity tests. Were done all proving. He was the father so that was l. six. Yeah for the three children so to freeze children. 'cause the perfect wasn't right. I guess that's what I would assume I guess so. I'm at just to make sure I guess because he was a Weirdo Undo spag. Yeah sure on March twenty first. Nineteen eighty seven. Regina put Nicholas in Rina on a plane for Liberty Texas lather sell. Yeah Yeah okay To live with will you know they probably put them on the plane then whenever they get there because she she sent him there to go live with her parents at the parents. Were probably wait right there at the gate. You know very simple thing and probably told the flight attendant or something you know. All I'm saying is I. We would have never been able to do that with the all. Cottrell would've never made it there with me. Yes with them. Hail no no you would have never drew out have been able to make it. They're all that L. Got Do sit on Damn plane and then get off that show. That's a problem. You have to go go somewhere. He'll be sitting down. Go Willis Willis had threatened to kill her in their children on March twenty. Six Regina Drove Ashley. And they're living babysitter. Sharon Ryan to the Laguardia Airport in Queens New York City there are also going to Texas. Regina's plan was to go home. Get her belongings together. Joyner children in the coming days because I was wondering why she wasn't going to. Yeah on her way back home from the airport. She called her close friend. Hope Lampert. Regina told her Regina told her to be alarmed. If for parents hadn't heard from her in a couple of days if she was not at own her parents house by then she said Willis will have done something to me what he promised to do to me and the early morning hours of March twenty seven. When of Regina's neighbors tried to call their house because their nine month old puppy sport was barking nonstop. Basha keep dog lengths force for that is no one answered so they called the police and worried. Something was wrong for an unknown reason. An officer was not sent to check on the situation Look polite officers and I don't like a lot of shit that's what it sounds like. Regina was a reliable flight attendant however she did not show up for her flights. On March thirtieth and April third American Airlines contacted her parents and they asked Regina's best friend. Linda Van Horn. Linda van Horne when Horne Linda. Van Hora Tabasco by the House Window Open Regina's garage door and found spore anxiously waiting for attention anal dot com despite the floor being covered embassies. They were okay because someone had left a bowl of water in a big bag in oak landed. Notice that the dog Food Evan bought from a store. Regina refused to shop after an employee made a racist remark. So of course suspicious Regina's belongings. Were all at the house including their score. If airline identification bag in an UNCAST check for one thousand dollars in her purse definitely suspicious Yes her makeup bag which she always cared with. Her was under the bathroom sink a week. After Regina had been seen leaving the airport. She reported missing by Linda a week. That was a long time with us. Also filed a missing purse report on the same day. He's such a Douche bag they're like he reports after Linda had already done it so then he doesn't look so suspicious. They know that does look suspicious but I know it does. Regina's house was searched but no sign of a struggle or any sort of crime was found. It is believed. She did not make it home after dropping off her daughter. Baby Sitter at airport naturally Willis was considered person of interest. He said he had been in new town on more twenty six for a dentist appointment and admitted to bind the dog food other than that. Nick claimed he couldn't remember what he had done for the rest of the day. Bullshit he suggested. The police should look forward genus car in Manhattan New York City. Okay that's in an area known for drugs of He's just he's just. He is just trying to make up a story to make it believable that she was a drug addict and she did all the stuff and then left however what she gonNa buy the drugs with because what her pocketbook at the House. Exactly and with a check Juan Hill. Would she leave a check for two thousand dollars? Also what it and she pocketbook whenever she carried the child and the babysitter to the airport. Were you remember that? She was going home but they said that they didn't think she made it made it. Yeah so that's good question. Maybe she just left in a hurry. Mamie I don't know His suggestion ended up being correct in front of a building in Manhattan on more on April. Six there were two on child safety seats in the back. The keys were in the nation and there were parking tickets on the windshield. Unfortunately the car did not provide any clues. S To Regina's whereabouts interest will expand. Tell people that regina had been spotted random places around the world. He told one of her genes neighbors that she was with some guy on an island in the Pacific of the. Hello how in the world. She get all these places if she doesn't have any of her stuff like she doesn't have nothing. Donna of so aggressives cheat now and then goes with this guy or something a few months. After Regina's disappearance Willis ball an Cadillac and drove to Texas He forcibly took his show. Dron from Regina's brother and bought them and brought them back to Connecticut three weeks later. A judge ordered him to return the children to their mother's family and September Willis went to court as he wanted a divorce from Regina and their children's custody. The judge concluded that he had been abusive towards his wife standing. He had reduced risk to a living nightmare. Her existence by the hell did I risk of what name me say that. He had reduced her existence to a living nightmare. Authorities found no evidence of Regina ever using drugs or being unfaithful. Oh legend that Willis was granted a divorce. Though androgynous parents were given full custody of the children. It did not go unnoticed. At the time that Regina's disappearance was very similar to the vanishing of another newtown woman. This is hill crat. He'll crafts Ellie crafts some around that H. E. L. L. E. Heli say that Hillcrest L. A. Crafts that's a good. That's a hill. Crafts gall crafts from now. You Know Oh. Her first. Name was H. E. L. L. E. Yeah I don't really know how to say that Hill Hilla Healey is probably he'll crafts. I don't know would just gonNA say Kraft is Probably Hill crafts though what is it Also flight attendant had been married to a pilot Richard Crafts and had three kids. She vanished in November of nineteen eighty six. And just a couple of months before Regina went missing hale was crafts. Husband was convicted of her murder the first murder conviction without a body Connecticut. He was accused of trying to cover up his wife's murder by dismembering her body with a chainsaw in putting the pieces into a whichever which does sound pretty logical also. It was a great episode of forensic files. Yeah Regina have been following the hill crafts case even keeping newspaper clippings in her kitchen drawer. A few months into the investigation of Regina's disappearance will stop cooperating in refused to take polygraph test that he approved. Asli agreed to his reasoning. It didn't do Richard Crafts in mono because we kill Chop Moore up well. Richard had passed a lie detector test despite being found guilty. Which doesn't matter no and Willis. Oh Willa statement is bullshit or Willie. In nineteen eighty eight Willis Stepmother Margaret Brown died by suicide in Albany. New York about a year later. Her son was going through her belongings when he found a hand drawn map titled Block Island written on. It was Regino. God Regina Oh God authorities theorize indicated where Regina was buried. So you're telling me that he wrote a Firkin map own own them at of block. How stupid is there? Yeah so went through. You found the map kind of seems like to me if I bury somebody or something. I'm GonNa Remember where I did it. Could you not bury a lot of people on trying to be like intellectual or some kind of? Oh okay. Yeah Asserts with cadaver dogs was conducted on block island but nothing was foul around the time. Regina went missing Willis owned a private airplane that convenient though owning a private airplane he kept it in a small airport in. Connecticut and often fluid to block island. This is going through a lot of states. Authorities were not able to find the aircraft until two eight and are not sure if it was used when Regina vanished before nine eleven there was not mandatory to keep consistent records so like okay so like so just just a heads. That's a good either. No saying as if you're planning on killing somebody make sure first off that you're not mean to the person and you're pretty close damn friends with them or if it is your wife made sure that your Helen ice and don't be beat known them secondly don't threaten going no if you're going to do anything you can you. I'm own private airplane. And there's always the option. Just don't kill them. There is that option but if you are going to my my My whatever the fuck you call opinion is to own private airplane kidnap and put him on the private airplane thrown. I wouldn't that be something to be out in your yard sun bathing in the yard and all of a sudden this body. Just what was that? It's okay and they they. I mean how how you're GONNA get caught. You can still get could get caught because the fact of you do have a private airplane but now everything has to be really recorded. No evidence a okay. Well anyways television station. Ms -Chusetts aired a documentary about Virginia's Regina's disappearance in nineteen ninety. Willa sued them for defamation and invasion of privacy. You can always throw in Balkan. I'm pretty sure that would get rid of all benefits that will get rid of evidence but then you also have to worry about. Who Sees you going up? You know going there. You Know People's GonNa be saying that you're missing and stuff you and her love him or something. I don't go check the volcano then. And See if you can find Louis. Ain't GonNa go in there and chat is accurate. Ain't got a body but then as you got a handicapped. War can't go inside. A volcano Sugarcane you know will assume and For you know whatever whatever an intitial influence infliction of emotional distress because they had implied he was responsible for killing. He was responsible for killing her. I'm at people ain't fucking stupid. The claims were later dismissed. He is now in his eighties and had has houses in block island in Texas. Regina Brown has been missing for thirty two years. None of her friends or family believe she would have left her kids voluntarily. She was declared legally dead in nineteen ninety five. If nothing else she would've Italy's Castro check. Of course she damn check she's GonNa leave thousand dollars just sitting there. She wouldn't just pick up and leave. No that is about the stupidest person I- stupidest man gives a bad rap for all men. That's why I'm Sam well because because sometimes you just steepen against what. He didn't get charged friend and jody know it in. He live in his life. I wanted a dentist and stuff and blind little airplane. He didn't get charged for Shit and he definitely there was no evidence. I'm it looked like she just completely and thinner vanished just so they found her body long. Gone nothing at all but it does raise insane concerns because she did plea al about will listen stuff and abuse now he. Oh if you didn't hear will he killed? I think that that could have been solved now. And then he made up all this stuff about. Oh she's going into English with the with the car with the car seats. Where would she have gone from there? I don't know but to another country with another man but I don't. It seems to me like the police didn't investigate that too much. I don't think they did very much anything. It didn't really tell anything. Okay really didn't tell much about what they actually did if they did anything which I don't know if they dinner so did or didn't I don't know so the m they in. That's all we got say about that remembers. 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Manifesting Your Goals

Weekly Energy Boost

50:00 min | 10 months ago

Manifesting Your Goals

"Good, morning, everyone good evening, good afternoon, wherever you are and welcome to this week's weekly energy boost. My name is Alicia and I'm here this morning with David and we are all geared up to share with you the secrets to manifesting your goals. Last week, we spoke about creating goals and the best practices on UH in order really not only from our experience but from the ancient wisdom of Kabbalah, we talked about how to properly and effectively get the highest aspirations out in the most practical and positive way. That's what we do here at the weekly energy boost. Every episode is a seven day spiritual energy forecast. Last week was really the you know the the universe was really supporting us to create and to see to have a vision of what we're capable of this week we wanNA focus on. Making sure that those that a month into the gym membership, we're not sitting on the couch eating potato chips. So to speak the colloquial couch so this week is all about nuts and bolts. It's about you know recognizing from the previous year where we fell short and how we still have this this opportunity we spoke about the. I think the last four or five episodes we spoke about how we have this ability to reflect and transform what whatever happened in the past year that doesn't that didn't get us where we wanted to go and we have one more week left of that. Possibility that opening to to US last year as the catapult for this year. So we're going to be talking about today is how to make sure that everything that we desire for our self in the coming year manifests. Yes, you said that this year I'm sorry this week is There's an opening in the upper worlds where. We have the ability to access parts of ourselves in an easier way that we've never had before the capitalist say that there's actually ten days according to the ten dimensions are soul. And we've. We've we've. We've already this is the third day right. So this is the third day of US accessing the deeper part of ourselves for anyone who wants to make a change or who wants to draw strength or who wants assistance because. We're not convincing the light of the Creator to be good to us I think sometimes in literature on the Bible it's written that way as if I need to convince the external force to behave a certain way towards me. When we say that we pray the whole class about prayer and Kabbalah Juan when we say we pray that we request that we ask that we beg for Assistance Energy. Essentially, what we're doing is we're were causing a transformation to occur within us. The way our soul is designed is that every time we pray we change that's basically what happens when you ask for something you change your spiritual and physical DNA inside of you. Now, there's different levels and degrees of asking a person can nonchalantly. Just say I would like something versus someone who says I I really, I really want something and versus something else that the cabalists say that imagine a person is on the way to their execution and they're begging for their life right this is the highest level of asking wanting what that does is it creates some difference inside of you, which then allows the infinite light of the Creator, which is always there to come in. That's not an extreme example, it all not an extreme example. What of that one of the images I I give to students in the classes is. Imagine you take this bottle of water that's empty. I've ever shared this before the. Bottle of water that's empty and there's a cap on it so. Just an empty bottle and there's nothing can go in or out and you take this bottle of water and you shove it. Under water. And, now, it's imagine you put it in the pool of water. So now there's water coming from all sides putting pressure on the bottle but because the cap is on the bottle, it cannot come in the water cannot come in, but there's pressure there's pressure and all of us when we feel pressure in our lives Kabbalah says, this is called the surrounding light. It's light that is our potential it is light that might. Be represented as a new relationship it's light that might be represented as prosperity and sustenance clarity an and sir, you want an answer about a question you have and you don't know what the answer is whereas the answer the answer is in your surrounding lights go back to the bottle. The bottle is us we have a cap on we are under water. The water represents all that we want the we don't have yet. And the water is trying to get in. Why this pressure and that's why people stress and pressure. We have a whole class about stress and pressure. That's a stresses. When you feel stressed you can't sleep and you having Zaidi. It's because the light is pressing on you saying, reveal me reveal me that is the nature of the light to fill where a gap or there's a hole. The light doesn't punish. We are the ones who have the CAP on. Now, what happens the moment you remove your cap? The water rushes into the bottle and fills the bottle. How do you remove the CAP? That's what prayer is you pray when you ask requests from the bottom of your heart for assistance transformation for clarity for certainty. You remove the cap from your bottle and then the light the. So to speak the water rushes in to you and this is the best week. This is the best week to request pray because the cap is maybe the cap is a little loose, right? Now, we have the opportunity to. Just gotTa you just gotTa take the rest of the distance. Well, I love what you said because for me when it comes to the concept of getting what we want. There is there are a lot of us out there. That are wishers, right? We wish what you know I wish for More. Money bigger house the better relationship by I wish for a lot of things but. I think it was that we had a show about this last jake in here his voice. We had Marcus West as their wishers and there are doers right and the the differences, and this is something that I have heard my teacher speak about endlessly is that you know wish is a really nice thought. When you desire something when you want to make something happen the question is really what are you willing to do to make it happen and that's that's I guess that would be my homework my assignment for everybody who's listening is in thinking about what you want to manifest this year, it's not enough to want it. You know there's a lot out there about the law of attraction and visualization Shannon and even the cavaliers talk about seeing yourself having it what you know what you desire living in that reality quote unquote dressing for the job you want now but if you're not clear on what you're willing to do for it, it's just to wish it's just your imagination running wild and there's no manifestation and that's really one of the reasons we wanted to. Put this show back to back with last week because a lot of us are really good at wishing and knowing I know what I want I know what I'd like to have. I. Know what I'm asking I know what I'm praying for but the the correlation between my desire and my effort is Zilch. So we want to talk about how to make sure that the manifestation takes place with all of our with if if the universe is supporting this week to to still see clearly, what are we want, what are we working towards? Almost. More important is how much. How much I really wanted it is exactly. The same. The same thing as how much am I willing to do for it There are there are two key. Principles to keep in mind when you went to manifest something. And the way that the opponent that negative force in this world works, the opponent makes sure that you. Only do one if any of these key principles because you have to do both to manifest. In Kabbalah, we learn that you have to have a desire a craving. You have to know what you want. Many Times people. Know, they want something. This is what I love and we talked about this many other shows that people want certain things that are very clear about what they want. But often times they have the poison pill desire, which is a subconscious desire unknown desire hidden desire. That is the exact opposite of desire. They're telling you case in point would be the person who says, I want love. But they also have hidden desire which is to be left alone to be left alone. So. When you tell the universe, you confuse the universe, you confuse people in your attract confusing people. People who are unavailable you attract people who are also kind of in that confused state they they seem to like you and then they go soon, they leave you and you're confused because it's all a reflection of the desire that we put out there. So part of the spiritual work step one is to come to an understanding about what we want, and if you WanNa know what you want don't just ask yourself because you'll be you might be lying to yourself it has to do with your actions. The actions are manifest. The words are manifesting oftentimes people are passive aggressive with their words. The, the words are actually saying the truth thing that they feel inside. That's why it's passive aggressive. They're passive because they're trying to hide it or subconsciously unconsciously or consciously, but they're aggressive because deep down inside there. Hurt. So deep down inside their desire is I to hurt you. But externally, they're saying I love you that's passive aggressive and we all do it. If you're a passive aggressive. If you're a sarcastic if you're complaining a lot and if you're judgmental and means your desires not in sync, it means you tell the world you have one desire but deep down inside, you have another desire and when you have these two conflicting desires, the light of the crater is confused people are confused. Your clients are confused. You're a potential love partners are confused. Your children are confused people don't know. How to serve you people don't know how to give to you. People don't know how to love you. People don't know how to share with you, and then that creates a vicious cycle where you become a victim and become more passive aggressive. cabalistic truth or I would say it's a cosmic law that a person will be led according to their desire. That's so we get the question a lot of times in the the one on one work we do with people where they ask you know why do I keep a draw attracting people who are unavailable? David's example is is a perfect. Illustration of that person says, I want to be in a relationship but at the same time they they don't want the accountability. They don't want the the intimacy of vulnerability that comes with a relationship. So they attract people who can't give them that and externally there's frustration but internally, there's a lack of congress between you know how I our acting and how what I'm wanting and that to me is is kind of the. First thing we need or maybe it's now the second thing we need to talk about. But before we do I want I, see that we have a lot of new. Listeners with us this morning I'm GonNa make sure that we meet them where they're at his well. We do this podcast every week, and it's available on facebook instagram youtube and all everywhere. You can find podcast apparently now we're all on Amazon podcast I didn't know that was the thing. So, the the essence or the goal of what we do here is we try to connect our listeners with the idea that even though we live in this very physical world with is very material world with their physical, not only things that we want but obstacles in our way the goal of everything is to reveal the the unique light within each and every one of us, and we're giving to two tools to do that with were given our vessel, our capacity, our desire, which includes even the physical things around us, and then we have our soul which according to Kabala is a piece of the light force of the Creator if you could imagine that. A huge vase shatters into seven billion pieces. The Creator is that vase and we are the shards. So everyone has a unique chard and were put on this planet to reveal that light. But what happens were born, we are parents push us to go into a profession. They teach us relationship lessons even unconsciously and said were twenty, five, thirty years old and we think it's about making money and landing. A relationship and we forget the truth of that that spark inside us it is I'm here to reveal the unique late of my soul. Kabala is the wisdom that teaches us how to navigate the physical as the stage on which to reveal my spiritual light and so when David was talking about the light trying to get into the bottle the light force of the Creator, according to Kabala is not you know I Don, I think that a lot of us have the perception that God is like Santa Claus. Character who sits on a throne and has lightning coming out of one finger and lottery numbers coming out of the other and according to Kabala. That's couldn't be further from the truth right? Even though in in as David was saying and scripture, there is sort of this personification of God. It's not because God has five fingers on every hand that we need to personify that force the opposite. are a we are the light. The light is all around us. It's not even something up in the heavens that we need to cry out to. We are role is really to access the light in the water bottle in the mountain range in the traffic in front of me in every moment of our lives, and so if you're new to the show I highly recommend you go back through the library. Let's say on podcast and look for the topics that resonate with you and if it's interesting to you, David has a great course called Kabala one dot com the where he shares the fundamental concepts that we dance over every week on the show. So there's my little three minute introduction. Going back to thoughts, words and actions I think we must go there. Yes and a lot of comments here where people what is the second thing? Because I said there's two fundamental principles I. DON'T WANNA leave it. Like that people pay so much attention. To hold you accountable during the show. If I don't share, I'm going to get emails. And messages and they're not going to be pretty by the way. If you're listening on the PODCAST, we get these live messages because we are live on on facebook right now. So that's We like to do it this way instead of just recording maybe on a podcast another way we like to have a live audience that we can Hear what you have to say the comments were just pouring against were trying to read as one another are talking so So the second thing I, the first thing we said is to start to understand your desire to realize that probably there are hidden desires which are confusing the revealed desire, the desire that you show to. The world that you showed a people and again, how do you know you have hidden desires judgmental passive aggressive complaining sarcastic. These are always that the internal disease of of that hidden desire bubble bubbles up to the surface. So what's the second thing? So Kabbalah, says you have to have a desire because without a desire there's nowhere for the light to go think about it lot. The Creator wants to give you but there's there's free will there's no coercion in spirituality we learned this Kabbalah. Can only give there's desire. Sorry, you have a desire let's say you have established your desire even if it's just sixty percents that the creator can give right we're here comes the second universal law that we learn Kabbalah one class seven called bread of shame. It's this idea that everything has to be earned, and the way that it is earned is through the effort. The several ways that we earn things, there's a physical earning and there's a spiritual earning. The physical writing is just the Max, energy and effort you put into something. oftentimes, we don't put in. Physical earning we don't. We don't move our body. We don't ask questions. We don't research enough. We don't. We don't go out of our way to break a sweat. To, try to manifest something. So physically, there is a level of work that has to be done. That's physical earning. Spiritual earning has to do with. All the. Gosh, no I feel like there's one hundred classes come into it once I would say that it's whatever is uncomfortable for you with the this. It's very, it's very I might be too general audience we could break it down but I'm saying it's like whatever whatever stretches you or takes you outside of your safety net. That spiritual earning because you could say that I. Listen I wake up in the morning and I go to sleep at night and I sleep for hours and I'm so busy and they don't have time to eat. That's not spiritually learning earning for me. Okay I got it. I got it. Here's the problem when you have a desire what comes with a desire. Lock. So. Here's the the here's the kind of the catch twenty two when you have a desire, you also feel like that's why a lot of times people, shutdown desires they they medicate. They take the substances because it fills them and they don't have to feel pain. When you have a desire which is a good thing. With that comes lack. When but we learn Kabbalah that if you do something from lack. If you take something. If you engage in something if you build something from a place of lack from a place of, I, don't have from a place of neediness. The lied can't come in because no similarity of form. So earning means I work but not the place of lack I work from a place feeling hole inside of me. So this is kind of this is the point I wanted to share and it's a little deep so It's IT'S A lot. A lot dictionary where it's deep. And I need you focus your guys because I'm giving you a big secret? Cabal like one through twenty, six, cabal seven in just two minutes I'm trying to explain. So be stay here with me. You have to have desire stage one crate. Stage two is because you have a desire, all the negative forces come at you and tell you how you have this huge desire for let's say a relationship. You. Don't have a relationship. You're a horrible person nobody loves you look at all the look at the people who did love you now loving somebody else and all these different things. Then you start to feel lack and this is t- Kuhnen all the negativity all the correction star that come up. Then you say, okay, I haven't desire but. I'M NOT GONNA. Now go out there and try to take from the world to fill my desire. I'm going to allow this the depart is the spiritual part I want that the light of the Creator will bring it to me by me acting like the light which means the light what are the attributes of the light I'm GONNA be. Giving I'M GONNA. Be I'm going to be happy person I'M GONNA be out there creating value. I'm going to be all the qualities of the light of the Creator I'm going to be compassionate I'm going to go overcome my grudge with this person I'm going to overcome my guilty feelings here. Maybe it's a mix of therapy maybe it's a little bit of cabal maybe it's about the meditation, but I'm committed to overcoming my pain, my lack my my. Misfortune my victim consciousness. So essentially, what you do is you say I have a desire and you put it on the shelf you say, no lack I'm now going to do work on myself an added value. So then what happens should I go out there looking for the relationship? Should I go out there and take relationship and this is the big secret that when you want something and then you let it go and you focus on being the giver. On adding value. Then, the light of the Creator can bring the right person. It doesn't mean you don't go out on dates. You don't do other things, but you just don't go feeling I need something I'm lacking something I. Hope you can give me something it's that consciousness you cannot walk around with our consciousness of I need something from you. Please Otherwise the light of the Creator can't come in. So I hope that wasn't too deep. I'm speechless. Do. We have questions about what is no because everybody else's speechless to what a what is adding value look like when you desire a relationship. Art So. Let's say I because I see at work. See I. see how you could add value. You WanNA promotion. How do you add value? You're looking for a better better a job at another company I see how you can add value but if you don't have the relationship to add value into the value so it's two separate things. The fact that I wanNA relationship I put that aside for a moment. Now I have other relationships I have friendships relationship with my dad have a relationship with my mom, our relationship with other people. So so I need to practice acting like the light because that's similarity of form then brings the light to me to fulfill my other desires, whatever those designers and that's in in Kabala when that's rule number one, if you want to reveal the light, you have to act like the light exactly, and here's what people don't understand is I want something I should go out there and get it no, and Kabbalah something the opposite saying you should want something put aside. Okay and then go act like the light in all the other areas of your life. So what does that mean? You're talking to your friend. And you're looking at them and what you're saying to your, what you're saying to yourself is, how can I add to this person? How can I give maybe giving US shutting up? Maybe giving is just listening to what they have to say maybe giving is dropping idea maybe giving his ask you a question I, don't know. But you're humming from the I wanNA give I wanna give and then maybe you're even praying help me give. And everywhere you go. That's the mantra I want to give help me I, WanNa give help me give and then all of a sudden your pain comes up and says that you're alone and you don't have this and look at all the people have that and you should be busy taking and all of a sudden he's pause one second. No. My I want to walk around being the one that is bringing energy everywhere I. Go. Now I don't know how to do that. But I want that I want that so bad that the light then will show me how that value I used to work at a restaurant like three hundred years ago were thirteen. And it was a it was a takeout place. So it wasn't even like you couldn't create an ambiance. People just want to get in and out. It's was before Ubereats Post mates you actually had did have a delivery person, but you had to pay for the delivery services way back in the when the dinosaurs the dinosaur to get takeout. So. It was a little bit of Drag I mean okay it was I had fun. But you know it wasn't. It wasn't a temple of spirituality like that. Sure and I really took the job because I had been studying Kabala for a number of years and I wanted a place where I could be challenged to do exactly what David is talking about. You have a person in front of you who is screaming at you because you put brown rice in their bag, not white rice or because they're allergic to peanuts and nobody told them there's right there's. I'm saying valid reasons to be upset how do you be a giver and I'm bringing this in because all of it's pasta it's possible that every single one of your lax and your insecurities and your past failures are coming up in a situation where someone standing in front of you that's irate or. Irrational or unreasonable and. I love being there because it gave me in a way and I'm encouraging you guys to do this as well. At work find a situation in life where you can practice this traffic is a really good one too by the way because it's again that sort of sterile environment where nobody can hear you or see you and you can. Stretch your spiritual muscles. I would look at that person and just smile and think I, love you and your amazing and we're going to work this out and you also. The bag of rice exactly or the low main or whatever. It was in the much fried chicken I don't know. But the the idea and what happens people would call the place not it'd be like, hire you the one who smiles like I became the one the you know. I. Was the bearer of light in the in the darkness of of takeout. I'm sharing that not so that everybody says way to go because again, it was when dinosaurs walked the planet but more because the you can. You can be in a what I would call an impossible situation. We made a mistake. It is our fault it's we've gotTa, we've gotTa fix it. But at the same time, it's not about me I I'm only thinking in that moment how I can add value and and I wanNA use that to sort of segue into the idea that you know you may have this list of desires that you want but all around you you have people and you have behaviors and you have scenarios that are are. What's the opposite of conducive? Prohibiting, inhibiting the manifestation of those things if you have friends that tell you, you're ugly you're stupid or you know you should just go back to your ex it's going to be very hard to find to draw your soulmate into your reality and believe me the the friends are there to provide you with the opportunity to be like Nachos that when you have friends that are telling you to go back to your ex because twenty percent of you has a desire. which is a desire for drama. So when you have a desire for drama or the excitement of drama, twenty percent of your friends will be people who tell you to do toxic things that go back to your ex. That's just something to think about there's a powerful thing that you said which which. I think we can share kind of encapsulated more in a direct way. I what came to my mind was this morning I got up and I take care of my kids in the morning he's too and he likes to have an apple every morning. So he tells me I want an apple. So I'm cutting up the apple for, but I'm thinking about our show. Some cutting this apple but I'm thinking about the show. But mechanically putting the apple on the plate. Put the plate in front of him. But I'm thinking about our show and I'm realizing that what is giving? I handed him an apple. There was an exchange of good. Sun there wasn't exchange of goods, but if we're talking about being the light of the Creator at every moment, perhaps what I could have done at that moment is is. Why am I thinking about the show because I'm worried that I need content for the show So it's actually I'm preparing for the show from a place of lack. Now, at that moment, probably what I should have said is I'm not going to prepare the show. I'm going to hand this apple with consciousness this action of sharing believe what you're going to have a download of all the content. That's what our teacher would. Always. Berg would always teach us that which is which happened to be so many times I'll be preparing for class and then it's six minutes of class in the wife is facetime ing me and I am I hate I picked this up because then I'm not going to be able to prepare these last six minutes and then I just remember the lesson always was. Pick up the phone. Talk to whoever it is. If it's your wife, give the love and the value even though you're not going to prepare because that six minutes of talking to someone and giving value especially when it's hard for you because you want to be back back to the spiritual earning. Less. Spiritual earning. So if I go into class, even less prepared, the light of the credible channel through to give you wisdom. So I what I remember this 'cause I I. I'm I think I'm a little younger than you think so. A lot a lot younger. So I, I remember when I used to go to college I studied. Kabbalah. As a student. I was in a teacher yet I was gonNA UCLA and I remember my teacher told me every day when I had a final exam in college. he would say in the morning come and do some action of volunteering like couple of hours before your exam and I said, well, that's the time that you really want to get in that last bit of cramming to do well on the exams he said he said prepare for sure you should prepare but I want you the hours before just to share. I, don't want you to study at all and it'd be amazing because By doing that just totally. Counter intuitive. If you a sin exam. Somehow by the restriction and the letting go and the sharing. You go to the exam and received wisdom and because you already know the information your brains. Accessing you will have more access to your knowledge, the infinite knowledge, right? Not just what you crown the last hour. I can tell you I mean, I I did a very had a very similar technique when it came to school and and studied, Kabbalah? I. Was also studied Cabello and I actually had the chance to take a Kabala class at UCLA. How's that for two? And I hated it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay anyway I was a mess. What do you teach in judgment? Any who the no but what David is saying is is important because when when I brought up before friends, but our environment is you know everything to what we're trying to accomplish. So when you look at that list of goals for the coming year, ask yourself have I created the environment in which these seeds can grow into fruit I'd like to enjoy right and in in modern times and you know now we're sitting in the middle. Hopefully the end but who knows of this era of covid and it's a lot harder to go out quote unquote and share and be, and do you know people are studying for those of you there in school I'm sure you're learning online. Now there's so many an unusual circumstances, but our environment is now not only where we physically go to it is our social media. It's the and the articles we read it's the news that we I actually talked to a student who said that she has been on the news diet actually because of. Something that we were talking about on the show once and she has replaced watching getting up in the morning I'm watching news with listening to Kabbalah, nuggets whether it's the podcast. Life in the last month has changed dramatically and to me it's not about what she heard. It's not about the the wisdom that she learned. But the fact that she decided you know I wake up every day listening to the news that is that is an environment I, can choose to not plant seeds in because every morning is an opportunity to plant seeds according to Kabala. She's now putting herself in a much more fertile soil and. Not, not, too I mean I'm not exaggerating she literally has a new job and and sees herself. At really sees directly how the universe has brought her there to reveal the light her light, the light of the Creator and so many things have shifted since she decided to choose a different environment and so I'm I'm I also want to make sure that when everyone looks at their list of goals that you actually identify. Well, if that's see that I want to plant and grow into fruit that all enjoy this year because that's really what setting a goal is it's planting planting seeds that you'll enjoy at some point in the future what do I need to do to the? Environment That seat is in. And sometimes, it also means not sharing not I don't mean not sharing not sharing about your seeds right a lot of I. Think a lot of us have we looked to our friends for guidance and support, and sometimes we're not always aware that the by sharing were drying limitation. We're GONNA talk about limitations in the coming weeks but one of the ways that we do that is by sharing things that we want to be successful sharing about things that we are excited about or proud of. And sometimes that creates unnecessary limitations that we don't want. So take take time to examine where you're putting your seats. And now, David's going to make an inappropriate joke. That say anything I felt. I. was actually going. GonNa. Say we should probably. Just the way you just love that. I'm waiting I'm waiting. For There's nothing of that nature. Coming so. Soon, I haven't. Say. Let's take questions from audience. That's what I was GONNA say because they're they're just throwing questions out there nonstop questions and I think we should We should there was something here somebody. Okay. So, if I need this is hi, this is hypothetical I I assume and let's answer it. So if I need more business for financial sustenance, instead of getting a part-time additional job, it might be the let more light into volunteer. The animal adoption plays okay that's a question. Is that what we're saying? I think the way I would handle that I wanted more sustenance. Would I go out and get a part time job? You know when I first thing I would do I would say I would prey. and. Now, this is the best week to praise the most powerful. Of the Creator and say Creator. I know you don't create deficient creatures. So, if you created me. You want me to have. All the goodness maybe in. New Orleans case. She getting a part-time job is just that thinks she might have to do but it's still not what she wants. What's going to make are happy. It's still not on a sustenance she's looking for. So it's still settling from less I it's a good step. But what I would say is I would go to the creator and say crater. I know you want me to have my maximum souls potential. You wouldn't create me deficient otherwise no one is created. Deficient Creator creates everybody. Perfect. We just have the free will of what we WANNA do with that perfection. So. Tell say the crater I'm I'm going to I'm going to go share. I'm GonNa Volunteer Let's say whatever I'm going to do something uncomfortable, Outta, my nature to add value. So I can emulate the light of the Creator when I'm asking for in return is that you show me and guide me how I should be approaching my sustenance because I think sometimes by saying I'm GonNa go get this job just to get what I think I want that might be the right step But I wouldn't walk in that direction until I let go of all ideas. And I asked the Creator you show me after I go through that process where I'm asking and I genuinely wanted to know now if after an hour of asking a couple of days of asking. Then the idea is to go get a part time job. Okay. That's fine. I. Would Go back to something you said earlier today that has to do with being needy and and this is a an overarching theme. I. Think we can all take to heart for this month and I don't think we need to talk about it every week. But where we just entered in the third day of the month of libra right spoke about last week that the over the weekend, we had this very powerful opening and. Two. Of the signature qualities of Lebron's at Let us know if well, maybe don't don't admit if I'm right or wrong. Is that they are very much dependent on the energy of others they like they're what we call people pleasers, which is a great thing as long as. Whether or not you're able to please the other person. You know it's great to WanNa make other people. Happy. But you know here's here's a way to check yourself. When you go to a birthday party back in the days when we went to birthday parties and you went to a birthday party and you brought the person a gift were you disappointed when they didn't open it in front of you. That's how you know you're attached to the outcome right? That's how you know. You're giving it because you WanNa make them happy and if you don't get to see them being happy you're a bit disappointed that means that that person is the cause and you're the effect what we want to work on this month and David was talking about being needed for. The relationship or in this case you know being needy for the client or the customer the deal. At the moment you put the other person or the situation as the cause of your happiness joy your fulfillment, even your sustenance, right the the universe it put us here for us to be the 'cause. That's something we talk about and Kabala one as well where we are here to be the cause and not the effect. So the moment that you walk in, I remember hearing you teach this in the class also the moment you walk into a business meeting you literally in your mind, you're saying I don't want the deal. This is not for me. You know like really being able to push back on your media's neediness to the point, and this is something that we're all going to have to be aware of this month because the cosmic forces are not because we're supposed to be that way this month. But because this is the opportunity, this month is the opportunity to overturn that tendency to transform it so that I can be more of the creator more of the 'cause in my life than the effect. So walking into that relationship or that that meeting with that client or that customer someone walks into the store I guess depending on what kind of. Industry you're in. To not be desperate or some walks in and don't be excited. Right you see you made a sale don't be excited because in the moment you're excited. You're giving it over to. The other, the power becomes the other person's and being in that place of I guess. The best question to ask is the cause right now, who's the causing this situation is if I imagined by the way a relationship where both people are trying to be the cause all the time. Both person are trying to be the giver both people are trying to share isn't that the ideal? Relationship I WANNA give a shout out to the art teachers spiritually spiritually hungry podcast with Mike Lamonica because I you guys should there's another podcast should subscribe to that one for sure and I remember one of the one of the classes about relationships they talk about a lot of times because they always accused about relationships that. And it's so true. It's so true because this is where relationships fall apart. Relationship is something you have to. Constantly invest in it, you have to constantly wanted to work. because there's that passive aggressive thing, the window relationships start to fall apart when there is twenty percent of you that wants at the fall apart. Of course, that's a twenty percent you hide from your kids and that's a twenty percent you hide from the other person and that's a twenty percent even hyphen yourself. But this twenty percent of you, that's trying to escape this twenty percent of you. That's trying to be singled again, this twenty percent of you that wants no responsibility twenty percent of you that wants to hurt the other person 'cause you were hurt a twenty percent rears its ugly head. So many times off and that twenty percent takes control in the relationship. The eighty percent of you that wants to build that wants to create that wants to love and wants to be loved. That eighty percent needs to commit itself again and again and say I need to earn the love of this relationship. I need to be the cause because we know show said be the 'cause it triggered this lesson that I heard in their podcast. So. What it comes down to is we have the power and we are in control. It seems like we're not in control seems like everything is more powerful than us. Seems like the influences of this world. The results that were having an outlines. It seems like that's More powerful than me. and. Sorry I gave this example. Example Tiktok last week actually. Back plus. The example I gave was that it takes when you look at the sun what you see. It takes I think it was four, hundred, ninety, nine seconds. For the light of the sun to reach their health. So, what you're seeing is four hundred and ninety nine seconds old follow me here guys it's eight minutes a little bit more than eight minutes old. The son you're looking at is that the sun is right this moment that's eight minutes old. Now what does that mean? And same with similar stars. You see you look at a star in our galaxy or other galaxies. What you're looking at could be days months years old. Because by the time, it takes for that light to travel whatever it is. One hundred, eighty, thousand miles per I think my probably got that wrong but the time it takes light to travel by the time it reaches you. Already That star's already something else. Let's start me even already gone by the time that light reaches you what does that mean? What? What's the practical lesson here? Our consciousness works the same way. You see something painful happening in your life. We Learning Kabbalah be the cause which means I choose now with my consciousness to say everything is good. Even though it looks horrible it takes eight minutes maybe eight days maybe eight months for your consciousness to reach the reality. Where by you saying it's good. It becomes good. The reason why we all become dejected when with this concept is that we say everything's good and then it's still bad five seconds later. So then we say screw the soul spiritual thing gimmie some energy. I'm just going to go back to being the affecting. You know taking some kind of substance to to calm my nerves. You gotta stay. Strong. You gotta be like the physical, which is you shine. It travels fast, but it still might take time before it reaches this physical reality. That's what it needs to be the cost you're you're you're in a relationship that is not a toxic one. It's not an abusive one. It's a good one. You know the person loves you and you loved them it's a good relationship. But that person right now is in a bad mood bad state a bad place in their life and there are somewhat being you know not fun to be around and you say, no problem I'm going to give. And GonNa. Make this flower blossom. And you give and you give love and you give attention you try eight different ways of doing it and they're still you know being. Talking about the good relationship. You got to give it time because it takes time for the light of the sun to reach the earth. It takes time for your love and your consciousness to reach the other person and person wakes up one day he goes well, you know what? This. person's always been there for me even in my horrible moods. I really respect that. It's cute. That's so nice. That's responded. Really it's by the way that's the recipe. For a long lasting relationship, I read a book years and years and years ago about marriage I think it was a John Goodman Book and he said that every relationship has a bank account and the role of the two partners is to constantly deposit into the bank account. So that when one of the partners needs to make a huge withdrawal like you know when one of us is in a funk or you know struggling with something at work or just having any whatever kind of personal crisis where you can't show up the way you want to. If the bank account is full enough. The relationship will survive. Right. You're the person who is not in crisis is continuing to deposit. There's a big cushion there. The relationship has what it takes to weather that situation but I love that it was all about giving you know that if you if you can show up and be a giver even though you're not necessarily getting back in the way that you'd like. In the long term, you hold out you know that it's a period that that you can buckle down and and be the hero Know the the chances of that relationship weathering, it are very high. What you said about. A moment ago really triggered this whole idea about a I'm sorry to bring it back to the goals thing because we have to wrap up the show in a second. A lot of people's goals are really simply requests for relief rather than expansion and I. Think we all need to be aware and careful of that as we navigate through this period where we are setting up setting ourselves up for the year to come is the idea that. If I, many of us are looking for money or increased. Not Because, we have expansive goals and desires and we WANNA. Be a force for good in the world. But because we just need relief from going month, you know being month-to-month on a paycheck. We just need relief from the debt that we have or we just need all of that looking for relief. Right some people want to be a relationship because they want really from being alone. That's a very low level of of desire. It's like asking for a Dixie Cup like The Cup that the you get to the dentist mouthwash the really like asking for that kind of cupful versus like the you know five gallons yellow. My Hydro Flask, my fifty ounce hydro flask or whatever it is. Forty four actually, but you get the idea that that were unconsciously a lot of our goals are really desires wishes for relief rather than desires for expansion, and that's why when you write down that list of what am I willing to do to achieve that goal is very low because I'm just trying to get rid of a a pain. I'm not really looking to add more value, add more impact I one of the things that that stuck with me back from those years of being a teenager studying. Kabala is that the in the original text, the word for sharing is actually to influence lash BIA. Right the Creator wants to bestow rape. Technically, we co we translated to bestow, but the same word that's used to influence to say to influence. So I'm always thinking in terms of how can I influence for good. You know if I want more abundance and I'm not GONNA use that to influence for good. Why would the universe give it to me if I WANNA relationship because I want to be able to influence others for good. Then I have the support of the universal everybody you know imagine all of us who are listening over the course of the week. Maybe another twenty thousand people are so imagine if we're able to shift into that space where everything we desire is so we can use it to reveal light and not just so we can. Feel a little pleasure or like you say, the little pleasures relief for a minute relief for a few months relief for a year. There is so much more out there for US I. Think we have to tell people about next week's show. 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David Carpenter | The Wolfs Den Gets Insured | The Wolfs Den #121

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David Carpenter | The Wolfs Den Gets Insured | The Wolfs Den #121

"Hey guys j. b. air the woeful wall street and the wolves then got an amazing episode. Today it's one of my interesting ones because it's not a famous person but it's a young up and coming sales person who's got some amazing insights and what happens when you see someone who's just young and figuring things out and they start saying things you start noticing these parents of success you start noticing how he thinks he's discovered something new which has been instrumental in his life and make him successful. But it's actually a same theme so you see how these themes keep recurring again and again in every industry in all age groups. It's really profound. So i think you're really going to enjoy the certain sex about thirty forty minutes of this in the middle is just rock and we're getting into really what's at the heart of success how you apply to your own life so you really going to enjoy this all right. We're gonna come back. his name. is david carpenter is a cool guy. Young twenty six year old insurance business but first let's hear from our sponsors and then we'll be back with dave carbon if you're a business owner you don't need me to tell you that running a business off don't like quick quickbooks and spreadsheets. Slow you down anymore. Now is the time to upgrade nets suite by oracle the world's number one cloud based business system. Schedule your free product right now at next week dot com slash wolf. That's net sweet dot com slash wolf. All right dave thanks for coming on the show courts. I love having people who are like just in the world of sales at you building the team. You're just tell me in your own words what you've accomplished a major player in the life insurance game. What have you accomplished so far man. I never liked to talk about it. But i'm twenty six years old and so far we've accomplished. We've just had a million dollars in sales last year. Excuse me a million dollars in sales last month. So i believe it's a lot better those rookie. Numbers pump those off. Come on now mates multiple six figures. My first year made a million dollars third year and then this year projected multiple millions. We've helped fifteen. People make six figures which is more impactful than just becoming a millionaire. And i believe we're one of the few young people that are coming in and dominating the industry because you don't really hear too much about young people selling life insurance. And i think it's a great way to build passive income a great way to set yourself up for life. Do something get paid for the rest of your life. So why is that. You think that you don't hear about young people going into life. Insurance is a great question. We're trying to fix that. So is it hard to get the license slow process. It is a slow process. And i mean it's a slow development. That's i mean a lot of times people want instant gratification and it's not really marketed very well so like my vision has always been. I wanna make insurance sexy like if real estate sexy if if you know something else is sexy four x like why can we make insurance sexy so that's always been my vision since day one. Okay maybe not sexy that you can make it fun right. Well let me ask you question. Okay so you sell life insurance sir. So for those who don't know there's typically two types you have at school term insurance and you have whole life that's right. Yeah why want you explain to the audience which you know about each one. So whole life is a guarantee policy. You're guaranteed to get the money. It also builds cash value. So if you ever need a borrow from the policy you can if you ever need a cash it out you can build dividends and again that's guaranteed back to your family so spend a little bit of money now and you have forbid you pass away tomorrow. Your family's guaranteed cash okay. Terms stands for terminate. So it's for usually ten twenty thirty years and then once that's done what's it's expired. You have to renew it. You have to requalify so we focus on whole life products a lot of the times because the family is guaranteed to get back more than they paid into it. Okay so why. Why would someone if you think whole life is better in what circumstances would determine make more sense. Yeah when you're young. When you have a big fan you can get a lot of term for cheap. So if you can't afford a huge hole i policy star with the term but know that your family if something were to happen you can wake up tomorrow or when you wake up tomorrow. Your family's guaranteed to be taken care of. Is it a whole life sort of flexible. So much you want put in versus how much insurance you get out or is there a minimum monthly payments. That doesn't you can't have whole life without paying a certain amount. What's the minimum to get more expensive. It's based on your age. Your health your habits so whole life is going to be more expensive than term. You can like a million dollar term policy for fifty bucks being know thirty years old so i mean that sounds a lot more appealing than hundred thousand for fifty bucks right. So if you can't really afford to spend you know three hundred bucks a month for half a million dollar whole life policy go ahead and just get a term policy now when things get better lock in whole life or get both. I have both both personally okay now from the perspective of selling it would you say that insurance is probably like the ultimate pain based sale where it's really about like you know something that you know magic in the future you not having it die. God forbid right and then your family is left broke and penniless and homeless. Is that how you basically go heading out selling whole to sell it as a disaster policy wars actual investment zones future now definitely a disaster because it's a worse day of that family's life and add onto that is gonna have to go face a funeral director. They gotta pay for everything immediately. So we have our whole life is actually ty to what's called like a freedom of choice. It's a death benefit that pays within twenty four to forty eight hours so that way the family has media cash outlay their assets. Are you know they're wrapped up or they don't have cash on hand. They know that their funerals paid for for that family member. So we we we sell based on concept so mortgage protection like we. You know when you die your you know your mortgage is paid off. Your wife's not gonna have to you know. Put a foreclosure sign on some young kid like myself coming off a low ball deal and she's out she's out of the house right so we sell those concepts and we. We sell hope. We're like this safety net for that family's future okay. So that's really what we focus on so let's about the sales okay. Insurance is great. Everyone you think insurance is a good thing i mean you know it's like when i head your best right correct but let's talk about you know having you sell someone insurance what's does do you have. A roth says that you use west the first step in that process. It's a great question. So we have a script that was written by someone way better than myself. But we we start with exclusivity who we are because we're not just xyz insurance company so instead of just being sleazy we walk in no-one value knowing who we are and and then we have a lot of takeaways in between so again. We introduce ourselves because we're the only company though a shows them by the police officers. Firefighters veterans forty thousand different unions endorses. Recommend us for the last seventy plus years so we start with that we start with you know who we are and then we ask them some questions. We take control with the questions and ask them things that In terms of do they know the difference between temporary and permanent. We talk about if if they do get qualified. We'll if they do get approved we'll set them up with us who make decisions for them. But it's it's not just. It's not just cold calling door knocking. These people are actually requesting to sip to sit with us because we set them up with a free policy. It's a four thousand dollar death benefit to start with and then once we give them the are no cost benefits. Then we see if they can qualify for the whole thing. I'd say go back here. So what you're saying is your company has some sort of marketing strategy whereby People are incoming leads right and they just buy online. What's what's the strategy the company uses. So it's actually a male letter so they have. Rpo team actually meets with the union president's executives and then negotiate benefits. They look at our company and they re sign those contracts every year so the union president or the treasurer or the business advisor. They'll send out letters to all the union members and they have to respond saying yes. I want to be contacted by an agent when they do. We set them up with no cost benefits. We sent him with the four thousand dollars death benefit you get the whole thing. So you're selling to union members union members also private groups so there's no like going out there just saying hey you want right. You don't do that okay. So so it would be you. Unions firefighters police officers. Teamsters those are the driver electrical your university of potential clients expanded to so now. They can sponsor in their friends and family and we'll give them a two thousand dollars death benefit for i remember when they were referring will we'll give them a house. Savings card is obviously a different division of the company with sales people that are closing deals on the on the on the institutional level unions right correct right and they close these blanket deals right and as part of that blanket deal. Everyone gets four thousand dollars. I'm paying so probably some money was paid by the union in that deal. Whatever and then you're the up. Sell them correct. Okay so it's been up sell the already kind of already clients. They set it up for us. So they're saying you're correct our clients already up selling okay already policy all right so now you go in there and using listen you. You're lucky because your union takes care of you when they look after you. And they've done their due diligence. They went through eight thousand million. Different insurance comes. They chose oscars with the best way that we have this. That and i'm here just to show you that. There are other opportunities. Well basically right and you ask them questions they give you the basic blanket lowest level now is see what you qualify for. You're is that what you're doing. Yeah okay so make sense right. We find the gaps of their missing in their workplace benefits because their workplace benefits take forever to pay out. Got it so anywhere from six weeks illegally up to two years so in the meantime families lose their houses. They can't pay for funerals because we're sitting with middle class people. We're not sitting with people like yourself. So we we find the need a needs analysis. We ask good questions what they're missing and that's where we come in and we fill in those gaps okay permanent coverage and then you said once you close someone that's part of the union you can then sell this to non union. People presentable referral base correct. Yeah so their friends or family that they refer in we go ahead and stay with them and they can actually refer people as well now okay so we started with what percentage of your people are referrals. So we'd like to actually mainly focus on referrals because it's it's exponential. There's no limit to it so we teach people that obviously you say what the union member you sell him but his usage you said with the mom that's an easier sell. Then you mentioned the mom's name you mentioned his name now the third sales germ and stole on so forth so you are twenty six six. Say how long have you been in this world for years okay. This is my fourth year in in january. What did you do before this. I was a waiter. And i actually was in a network marketing company to for five years. Which one is that vima. I don't know if you've ever heard of it like younger people's movement. I mean tommy how to dream how to how to have vision. But i didn't make really any money in there so what was really selling. I remember being healthy. Products energy drinks record. I remember rings a bell the involved. I remember you so now. Okay so you. So you are growing up in phoenix. Yup so so i grew up in phoenix. Lower your childhood like oh man. I was a basketball player. i grew up in phoenix. I had both sides of the story. My dad was very successful. And then i saw his business crash in the mortgage industry. Two thousand eight he experienced. My dad went away into prison. When i was sixteen and i was stuck with my mom. Who really didn't really know how to make. Sure you know your data jailed. The government take everything pretty much man. We went from having a nice house. Nice car to really nothing renting houses and it was just myself my brother my sister then. I got into sports. Stay out of trouble. My brother definitely got into trouble. And that was my. That was my road. What was it like I'm interested to hear this because my kids they were very small when i went to jail And my ex wife was such that like she would never stand for my kids. Go to bed with that was never had to deal with the financial fallout from that right. But what was it like for you when your dad went to jail at the age of sixteen like was your dad like a god in your eyes before that or you see cracks in the whole thing before. Was it a total shock to you. Wonder how is a total shock man. That was a guy looked up to my whole life and when it happened. I was very angry. So that's where. I put it into sports but i also told my mom said i like she asked me. I needed to be the man of the house. So i told my mom was gonna take care of her since sixteen. I was gonna make it for family angry at him. Angry at just lie mentor angry. The world everything like angry at everything. What did he do. By the way they've i don't even know the exact every single just not to defend your dad but i will defend your dad that every single person of the ball run at that lives here. You probably just really unlucky very but it happened. It happened for me. Because i grew up from that. And that's when. I decided to get into business when i was eighteen. And i knew like hey sports wasn't gonna work out. I'm only six to can't jump the highest and not the best at that. So that's why i decided to get into business where i got into network marketing and i put my all into it. And that introduced me to personal development sales How to communicate with people how to how to basically help guide someone to make the right decision for themselves so cisco backs okay so sixteen Your dad goes to jail right you living in a beautiful home. Nice cars sold thing right here and suddenly you file renting a house right. Whatever and your mom says you got to be the man in the family and you're still in high school. Yeah so what did you do. What was the first thing you did. And the first thing i did was pick up a basketball. Go to the gym. I was in there for ten twelve hours a day. Like just die. I thought that was my vehicle. Might take to take care of my family. So that's that's been my y since so you actually when you went when he was doing that you thought perhaps you would get scholarship to college and then go pro and be okay correct and then you realize you just not good enough and sucks right. Yeah does suck. It's all good though. During that time. I was actually introduced a business and i could. I just knew. I went to a home of at one of my good friends. Marcus west. He actually invited me to this this home event. It was a little different. There's down on his couch. Pitching you some products and dream. But i was like. What do i have to lose like. This could be my ticket. So i've always been optimistic like i want to just figure this out for myself. I saw some young people making money. And i looked at them. I said why not me. So that's when. I got involved and i started to build a team and we built a fairly large team about one hundred hundred disturbed one hundred district that network marketing vima is it still around is but it's not really it's not really like growing. It's more just like selling the health products. The products were amazing. But you know the opportunity. I've really made money. Yeah yeah so fell out of that though. And when i fill out of that when the business actually went down they got all this trouble with like the government who yeah did all for what i don't know they thought it was a scam. They looked into it but when they shut the doors and they By the way the they ended up winning that case when they shut the doors. That's when you know. Basically my life just flipped upside down. I went and started to become a waiter at. Papa does by the way this is a year later. My girlfriend left me a lost. The car company car couldn't afford it. My mom had to take car so this is all happening. And then i decided i needed a new opportunity so i was actually looking at searching. I got a message on facebook from this guy named marty. Who was talking about insurance and i i was like. There's no way. I'm not going to do insurance. That sounds like a sound stupid. I don't know if i can make money in that. And then i decided. I'm just gonna go give it a shot and i went in and i met someone who had the life i wanted. He was a young guy very successful and he had wife was happy like he just had everything going for. He's worth millions and millions of dollars. Which which is my mentor. Now and again. I had that voice in my head like why not me like. Why can't i just do it. This guy have done right so i decided to take my test. Okay and this is two thousand sixteen by the way so girlfriend left me. I'm twenty two years old at the time serving tables. I decided to take my insurance exam. I fail it. A max amount of times you can take it in arizona so i feel it four times and i remember sitting in my car literally crying and asking god like do not want me to be successful. Or what like what's happening. And what are the god say. I want you to fucking study. Yeah study harder. No but the thing is i was man i couldn't get the contests down and And then i then basically is that you not job problems in school and really what was. What was it about the test. That was so difficult for you to answer a way different than when i was studying. Man i'm not the best task like i'm good at. I never heard that before the that difficult. For example the securities series seven right now is a very notoriously. Did ical test that i took when i was twenty four when i remember it was a big deal then right and i think keeps getting her never heard that with insurance or is that a state by state a state by state was the only reason so amazon is okay my opinion but again. I'm not the smartest alkaline okay. So you weren't able to pass the test. So what did you do. So i got a phone call. I can actually take it out of state. So i was like. Let's do it on broken. This time credit cards maxed style like barely even paying rent. And i decided a book out my test now two weeks before my test i was serving tables. It was a saturday night. I get a call. I got to leave and i go to the hospital care. Got to leave. Because i got to go to the hospital. My brothers actually. In the hospital for four he went in there and they're like hey by the way your brother was in an accident in your brother's not gonna make so i lose my brother even though i think it was it was an accident his he said he was this whole thing. So so i lose my brother that night now. I have to make a decision whether i'm going to take tests. Still go out of stage or just basically be a victim and say like whoa is me. My life's tough girlfriend. Left me can't pass my test. Lives looking rough. Can't even pay my bills. So i decided to dedicate my brother's life and my family again to make enshrined pass at things. So i go to my brother's funeral that that next week i decided to go out of state. Now get this the night before my test the night before tests when i go out of state was held at gunpoint as a person i stayed with got robbed because i couldn't afford a hotel so i was staying with a friend of a friend and i remember looking down a barrel again a week prior was my brother's funeral might and this clown mask and i'm like man if i die like who's going to take care of my family if i die like my mom's gonna commit suicide and by the grace of god man like he went away. I was the only one that did not get touched. And i woke up actually. Didn't even sleep from from there. I went to my test on no sleep. It was an hour away. And that's when. I pass my shirts exam. So dow was what state was that was new mexico so was easier test knows easier test. They've got easier test and now is that was what i had to do. Just to get them not even talking about the downfalls that happen in the business okay so so now you or suddenly a licensed insurance broker. But you don't have any clients yet correct right so i guess the the lesson here for people listening is that so you know obviously became successful right here so it doesn't take any type of intellect you're saying is that you don't need to be special intellectually right now you can have basically you know not be a gifted in some ways as about hard. Is it thrills ability. That was that finally shine that you're closer. What was really do is not too. I was like one of those kids. I was an underdog that was just like i'm willing to work harder than anybody else. Okay i'll be on my craft till two in the morning three in the morning while this person's going out and partying like dow was my. I just have sick work ethic. So there's gonna be better than me but give me time like i'm coming up so that was always my mind like that. It's great because i think there's a lot of people out there who just like you you know. The most people are average interested in there. That don't have a special skill. But i believe that with hard work and perseverance. You can accomplish almost eddie. I think we also see like sports like listen. I loved ed as i could play eight hours a day. Take lessons from the best. I'm never going to be roger federer. i don't have a natural ability right exactly but it seems interesting to me though. Is that you tell you. Were natural born salesperson. It wouldn't shock me. I mean how natural not is one. There's different question. You seem like they have the natural instincts of someone who can sell by languages. Correct is that that you learned over time while you always wore personable sort of a guy that would just walk in kind of connect with people a great question. It's all it's all learned from studying so even on our way up here. I'm like instead of listening to music. I turn on your videos. I study your posture voice inflections. How you speak like how you exert your energy your body language. Your smile everything. So i'm i'm a student. Okay so i think like to be great. You've got to be a great student to be a teacher. You gotta be you know a student and you got to be humble enough to know that you don't know everything and you got to be in that place of always trying to get better each and every day so let's go back now so okay so you pass your test. Now you go back to phoenix in mexico right and you go right to work to the company and you're starting off as what just to salesperson salesperson who was your mentor at this point man. I had a really didn't have a mentor. Like i had scripts at this point. Because i didn't i didn't earn my mentors time yet so i have a script trainer actually told me i was going to fail you know. Everybody told me i was gonna fail. I even at one point that i was going to say yes. I remember going to my first appointment. My trainer's like oh. Yeah i'm gonna be there in. He wasn't there. And i remember going home and just i just brutally i screwed it up. It was so embarrassing. This and that. But i went home and studied for like eight hours and i wasn't like oh woe is me again. I was determined to win right so the next appointment. I got and sell it and then i just realized if it's meant to be it's up to me like i got to be the one to take ownership responsibility of this whole thing so from that point i mean my whole life. I've just never made excuses. I've always found a way to win. So even without the resources the mentorship. I would seek it through audio books and i would also just figure out what didn't go right. Would study my own presentations and then i would improve from there. So what year is this now runs. So this is twenty seventeen my first year and insurance so after this terrible presentation next to the next one you close right. Does that set you. On this path you start to get more competence and at what point how long into this is a month or two months starts. Wow i'm actually really good at so my second month. I almost quit because again. A lot of naysayers. I didn't have a great second month but had people that are recruited into the business passing their test. So this is what happened when some of my friends pass their tests. That's one. I went to a whole 'nother level because i would have a lot of voices. They're like hey you can't make you can't make but none of that even matter because i needed to go out and serve so i sat my third month no money. I sat in my apartment again. I remember doing it like six seven hours of studying back then. We were in home presentations. And i took our crew. The new guys who just passed their tests. And i said you know what. I'm going to teach guys how to win. So we go to tucson arizona. Don't even really know what i'm doing. But i'm just like i'm gonna like basically act as if i'm the best closer in the world i'm gonna walk and confident swagger like i'm the guy like you guys by for me and it works that month. I may twelve thousand dollars from almost quitting the month before just literally having faith and putting myself in that position okay. Everything took care of the rest. So that's when he got better and better and better. Because i realized that this is actually going to work. Like how it's gonna work but it just keeps playing out. So i got addicted to just put myself in uncomfortable. Position to grow and from there things started aligning. I just had this vision that we're going to be the largest most successful agency in the industry. Like we're gonna take this thing over so we started attracting young young people. We started to grow and then by the end of that year. That's when we clear. I cleared multiple six figures and i helped To people make six figures that was my first year all right guys today. I want to talk about something important to me. And you know this is true when you hear it. 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Cpu usage all available right in your browser mellon app dot com slash and start streaming today. You said something very quick. You know putting myself in uncomfortable positions to grow like this one. How comfortable i am now but yeah you're the goat man so thanks but no. That's a really important point. I think because. I think most people don't do that. Old adage elliott. The people don't succeed because they have a fear of failure fail and that's somewhat true. I don't think wants to fail. But i think that the the bigger more important side that hoping is that most people don't really believe they're going to succeed. They don't actually when they are faced with the decision. That's an uncomfortable. One moats decisions that are important. Have some discomforted tash right. You're moving yourself. Do an area that is new challenging right and a lot of people will face that and turn around because not because they're cowards because they played the movie out there like well. I don't really think i'm gonna succeed. And they'll say i don't really see myself getting the benefits marketers succeed. Why face shit year right. So my question to you is that you almost like your mastered the auto putting yourself into situations that you're not come to it because you know that that's how you grow but when you're doing that what's on your mind. You saying to yourself. Like i know i can. I know avenue takes. I know if i were caught up by status. I know i can learn is that is that was on underneath then so i just know that time. I've done that. It's gotten to where it's gone to me. It's gotten me to where. I wanted to be. So i actually chase after those things. That are uncomfortable because those are the things that grow you the most and like you said those are the main things that you need to be doing. Each and every day so i had to get uncomfortable to grow. I had to put myself in that situation because my wife is big enough. My mom working sixty hours a week. Like act fifty eight years old like visualizing that and that's all i needed to do is get uncomfortable like i'm selfish if i don't do that so i put myself in those situations because that's what's going to separate me from other guy. That's not willing to do that. So why would i be that selfish. Why am i thinking about myself so much when i need to be thinking about. I need to take care of my family. I need to go and provide this product and be here and make this happen so on many levels. I really think you've stumbled upon the secret to success with many people. I gotta tell you it's very profound. You're saying really is in other words. I think you give enough like it's a really important thing that what you've done. Essentially you've rewired your brain into getting pleasure from this comfort there and a lot of people because you say okay. I'm going into an uncomfortable situation yet. Somehow your brain is switched off the move away and that's become a value that you move towards right so and i think people need to really look seriously. You need to look at this because a lot of things in life. i'm. I'm exactly the same way i get pleasure from things that would normally be displeasure because i've linked in my own mind that if i do this if i keep going at these things that seemingly painful there embarrassing. They're difficult that the good things happen. As a result like directly. I made just be very young started when i was sixteen and i went down to the beach and i started selling isis blanket. The blanket and i saw them massive money right well before that. I was lazy kid like i. If you gave me a job at work at eight every wall now as a kid put in the bud. I fucking be bader. Put our mike. I'm sleeping like why the hell should i put butter or clean the glass when i'm not making extra money you but when i went down to the beach and i had that first breakthrough day where i made like two hundred boxers thousand a day in our and also holy fucking shit in my own mind like so getting up early. You're tired walking in the he. Doing speaking on like not wasn't really supposed to be there was like wasn't i was borderline license and not right but all those things started me on this path like no matter how hard i poured the night before and i was seventeen metal where every morning i would get up at six o'clock so new that by doing that separated me from other xactly. So how much of this is about that when you are essentially moving forward when other people would typically moving back with this summer wobbles moves. Yeah puts you in a different level that basically what you're doing it's exactly what you're doing and like you said you woke up early even though you'd probably didn't feel like it you went party the night before so successful people still feel the same feelings as everybody else but they choose the right decision and i think that's what success is. It's a moment to moment decision. Making that i'm going to make this decision right now. This moment and i'm not going to focus on anything other than that and regardless of how we feel whether it's uncomfortable whether we feel like it successful people they just do the work all the stuff that people are not willing to do right so again like i say. One of the famous quotes like success is about getting yourself do this shit. You know you have to do even when you don't feel like doing exactly right so it is a famous. I use it all the time. And i figured it out pretty i again you know. Here's the thing in insect sess in business in life. There's a lot of stuff that you have to do that. You enjoy doing correct things that we all enjoy. I love doing stuff. I get engaged near me. But then there's a lot of shit that no one likes. And if you say you like it your ally saying i love going bullshit. No one wants to cold zach on doors. No one likes getting. The door slammed in that based on likes getting rejected and the phone. But it's something that you know that you must do. We know what to get what you want life right and it's the ability. Get yourself every day. No things savages important. That the idea what is success. And it's like almost like what you're saying is profound that it's not like success is like a destination. It's almost like what you bring to everything that you do. In life. success on a high scale large scale is based on little tiny successes along the way correct right. Like i'll tell you a funny story there so my second wife. I a lot of wives. Many why graduation. I always say i'm here. Tim sales business not relationship. Massive tony robbins. But anyway but my my second wife she remarried. Nice guy relight the guy but i met. I just gone to jail. The right now is going most everything and he was very successful very successful but very nice guy and as another one that i want to shop gay anyway and every time i would see the sky i'd say how's business sucks all my god fucking garments l. fucking chinese. They're cutting prices next. How all by factory workers everytime guy. He's telling me business terrible while he's very successful make you probably ten million a year right three is that he's bankrupt in other words you every second every day. Everything's gone wrong somehow. You're rich that doesn't what happens is sort of these moments. The moments that really culminate carotenes successful business. Sex for life right like that. You've got a lot of insights interesting. I think what i like about someone like yourself. What is that you know. You're coming to this raw from humble place right here. But i think you're speaking some really elemental truths about success. So appreciate so. You realize this stuff right now you start training yourself to move it uncomfortable situations right to push forward when your brain is or your heart thing i showed you. That's almost like a signal to push your. Does that manifest itself into real success. So what's the next what happens next year. You're starting you're making you make some good money. I would make a one hundred rant. Multiple six hundred eighty which is great. You either way right. And then what had what's puzzle man. You're finding good mentor after that really like dialing in knowing exactly what's the next move. How do you get to the next move. You got to learn. I heard this quote was actually from david meltzer. He said good friend of mine by the way. Hold his partner in two hours while sweet. Yeah that's awesome. I do coaching calls with two sounds. Great he said. Sit with somebody. That's already been there. Ask for directions. So that's all i did. I found someone. That's already been there. And i asked for directions and a lot of the stuff again would be uncomfortable but i would. Just listen and do it now. The second year we started really exploding started doubling my income. Now half a million dollars but at the end of the year pride ego just not knowing how to lead being young and just arrogant right twenty three years old. I lost like everything. A lot of my main leaders left me went to another insurance company. And i started from grand ground zero halfway through like are at the end of the second year okay and that was a profound moment because again i realized that i didn't really have so many people in my corner that we're really in my corner and i started a value really good people so the second time i built this thing really was around good people when i mean my good people is character values people that were humbled or hungary and not just people that looked good or that you know smile on my face. I really started looking at how they treated people how they treated me and just shown up to the tables are not things like that. So that's where we came together and We started to build something special. Then i had a top guy this year or actually last year. Come in as names talaat bain. This sky is an absolute legend in sales. He's like i would say the best sales we have in the company shadow to you and he decided to come near his own a he partnered with myself and dust and vinnie camp. And that is when things really started to take off because this guy's got integrity again just surrounding myself with good people man on a same mission. None of this okay. This guy looks good. This guy's got people that are willing to work there. Grinders explain to me how i'm confused. Yes the structure of the business and how it benefits you that this guy is a great so building organization yourself. Yeah so you so what are you doing. You're selling yourself and training others. The selling out of their yup developed and then develop other people. Okay so how many people so you guys doing that together. It's like kirk. Co-managers have been offers bigger than office. We're actually virtual now so we have. It's all over the united states. Oh so it's not anyone stadium on not anymore used to be okay. But aren't we have like cleveland. We have a team in cowley arizona. Texas new mexico. But now we're actually trying to get rid of the offices and not limit ourselves within just build everything virtually which is going to be crazy. So what's the system that you guys used. So you guys pause and austin too and and you know the guys well my mentor. Mentor doesn't vinnie camp. Show to you and you have. How many evil insurance reps your agents and we have a lot of. We have a lot of upper level managers to so we have. We have a pretty. We have a great foundation of great leaders. I can't mention everybody. How many so how. Many people are out there on. The frontline is say as agency. Everybody i mean even myself in our organization we have about. I would say hundred one hundred okay so those under people are doing what they're going after the leads that were being provided from the from the from the unions correct so it's all based on the initial outage year based on a union contact or referral from We also have leads. We generate from online as well. Like will kit leads. We have child safe that play into their mixed in somehow with union like national crime prevention council but i was probably highest closing gates. The ones that are correct and also the referrals from those. Those are the highs close ratio. So you have one hundred people right. And is the limiting factor. Going from one hundred thousand to get licensed. Is that the problem. No i think it was really just figuring out how to teach people how to become successful faster like developing agents which we really kind of put that piece together because when you have great top sales people around just average people they bring them up like the tides rise so i think that was really the missing link there so since we have like last month we had i would say eight of the top thirty heavy hitters in the whole company in organization and so since that happened. Things are really starting to click. We're developing closers now. Do not just develop not just bring people in and trying to teach insurance. We're teaching them. How to actually be very good at selling so now things are taking it. You know really going. This is the line and knowing a lot about insurance. 'cause it seemed to me not it's running sales sheri- eerily very small since the pie. All done for you like you know. They have certain certain matrix is if they want excess this is. The powell is primary easy to learn right. Chris was the end of the day. It's really about splitting people who wanna learn a cell so yeah yeah and how they ought to be licensed. There's no ended without a license. No they gotta be like. They can't talk to anybody they can. They can get a temporary license like in the meantime. Let's temporarily temporary license. They have ninety days to sell and after it expired. So i gotta get a real. They got to a permanent license. Some states actually allow them to teach those illinois because cove it a lot of them had. I don't know what the rules are now. We try to stay away from it because we want people that are all in a temporary licensed so essentially. It's someone that theoretically could woke up the street. I wanna be straight gin and you say great your temporary license. You got ninety days. There's no seriously yeah. I'm just talking theory. Nine days to study. At the meantime you could go out and make money selling insurance. You're working your undertaking which is a great thing. Yeah obviously so so. How many states is that. I would say. I don't know the exact only give you the number here. So aum you guys have like a growth strategy mind like what do you look at it to here. Yeah so the strategy behind it is teach them sales develop leaders. Then we teach personally crew. And we're growing this thing really. We're focusing on because we can do vendors and we can hire people but if we teach someone how to go make four thousand dollars on a week two thousand dollars every single week. It's a no brainer for them to share it. Because it's a work from home position we're gonna provide the leads. We'll take all the overhead and we're teaching normal people how to go become financially free so we're scaling it like how many How many companies out there are aggressively competing with you in this space. Like for instance when you when the union people ended up the market right. Let's contract right right. Although it practice being quote other people using it doesn't this doesn't what you know is right there but in terms of online. So let's say imagine for a second that there was no union leads and you had to go out there and do it the old fashioned way which is fine. Anyway you know would would online the way. Those leads actually viable this work. Because if it me and that's okay. Let's call online marketing. Get incoming leads. Then send people to the homes to close them. Yeah yeah all mine we have. We have ads and we run those two so we have those going and then again we get referrals from them because they can work closed market benefits. They could sponsor the men to get police officer Benefits so if you get ten leads. What percentage of the you close on ten leads online so like across the board. Forget on thirty. Three percent of the leads one out of three that policy online online now. And what's it online league question and it just depends okay. Might not that much. Turn ten to twenty depending on this and are there enough leaves of just union reps or there's a night amount of union leads right there an infinite number of online leads. There's a lot more. And then there's infinite referrals brexit saying my my point is is if you're scaling is right you looking to scale this with online leads. What the what the stroke. yeah for sure. We're gonna scale with mostly online. Okay yeah right because we can go. I mean we can have those all over the country so they just need a license. They don't have to be there. They need to have a licencee there in arizona. They consult chicago and texas. We can go generate those leads in any state one. They can sit there and just those correct. Yeah they just have to apply for all those licenses. We can produce. Those grandfather didn't automatically get. They don't need to retake the test interesting. What's your goldfield. we see this going for you. How big of a company you want to build and how important is the american is a couple of american income life. How does american income life in this equation. The think about trying to do the whole thing yourself now. Just think it's much easier to deliver of. It's it's a lot easier no overhead and pure profit. It just so much easier so a lot of times people get caught up in the titles. Were we're all about making people cash and making money and building residuals. So they've been around for one hundred plus years are guaranteed and they pass on even after we die. So that's why. I love american because the relationships already built when you start a new company. It's a lot overhead. Yeah you can scale it but infrastructure already there then take the money and do something else with it like invest in real estate out other businesses so on so forth so it's a cash flow. What's for solid young guy girl ride to three years in what she do what. You really should top producer making each year. I mean a top producer can teach top producers until their own production on their realistic amount that someone convenient top producer. You can make make half a million dollars a year. You can make a million dollars a year selling insurance. There's there's but it kinda caps out at look at like for example on wall street. A broken make ten million years as a stop by every industry has its own sort of capture the way to beyond a million would be the quake and then and then the way to go beyond that will be that people working underneath year. Yeah and that's what you're doing correct. So what's your goal so my goal is we want. Why my end goal is. I want to help a thousand people a year. Make six figures we want to grow. This first goal is hit. One hundred million in sales just our agency and billion And then take that money and started other businesses with a people that we have here bryn. So what's the easiest way so wants to do this. How did they get in touch with you. Message me on instagram david e carpenter underscore and You know if they're the right fit we give them an interview. Get them set up. And what does that mean that need some qualifications to the education. They need to be a certain age college. We're looking for great attitude positive. Coaching able someone. That's willing to work hard. And then someone that's willing to grow out of the comfort zone. If you're not one of those don't message me right to say you know when i interview someone who's not like super like famous. It goes either way. But i think you really i find you to be very intriguing. Says that you really have come to some really great truce at a young age and the stuff you saying israel and makes a lot of sense so guys i would definitely check them out. I always like insurance. Is one of those staple industries like real estate. Insurance stop is financial services real right so it's certainly a way for people to make money that you can kind of right wrong ticket. You can make it as big as you want. But if that's coming on the show awesome right thank you. Everyone check this out. Hsieh's your friends. Another great episode of the wolfson take care.

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E93: The Wesson Vampire Clan - Marcus Delon Wesson

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E93: The Wesson Vampire Clan - Marcus Delon Wesson

"Due to the graphic nature of this cults crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of drug use and abuse but some people may find offensive we advise extreme caution for children under thirteen on a warm morning in nineteen seventy four elisabeth florio got out of bed with a smile on her face she stretched in rubbed her growing belly in just a few months she would give birth before that she would mary the baby's father twenty seven year old marcus was and she got up dressed in an outfit marcus told her was pretty and came downstairs to the kitchen it was hard to keep from bursting with excitement today marcus would ask her mother permission to marry her she imagined the happy future marcus told her about the smiling children the fancy house and the big church where they could worship together she eagerly watched him walk into the living room speak to her mom marcus told rosemary cillari oh that he had spoken to god he was tasked with starting a family to league humanity to paradise rosemary nodded solemnly ready ready to do as he asked they already had one child together and she was willing to grow their family as much as god commanded but marcus wasn't finished god had not chosen rosemary to be the matriarch of the new family he wanted her fifteen year old daughter elisabeth rosemary was shocked elizabeth was too young to be a bride to be a mother marcus shook his head her teenage daughter was pregnant with his child they would be married soon wis or without her blessing hi i'm greg olsen and i'm vanessa richardson and this is cults a podcast original every tuesday we take a look at occult practices their leader in their followers today were taking a deep dive into the vampire cult founded by marcus it's wesson is demented beliefs resulted in the psychological and sexual abuse of over a dozen of his own children between nineteen seventy four in two thousand four at par cast were grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at par cast and twitter at par cast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help we also now have merchandise at park cast dot com slash much more information you can listen to previous episodes of cults as well is all of par cast other shows on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts a new episode comes out every tuesday marcus wesson began his caltex family in nineteen seventy four when he was twenty seven his large incest to his family started when he impregnated his girlfriend's daughter fifteen year elizabeth solar by two thousand four marcus had eighteen biological children aunt had adopted several others they were taught her corrupted form of christianity with marcus anna vampiric jesus christ at the center the children were brainwashed isolated from society and physically and sexually abused as his family expanded marcus became more unhinged in two thousand four relatives of his wife call the police to attempt to rescue be abused children before police entered the house marcus killed nine of his sons and daughters this week will focus on these early life of marcus west and as well as the beginnings of the disturbing family he created in part to will broaden are focused to be increasing psychological and sexual abuse of children in a vampire cult will learn how marcus brainwashed his children and how the police investigation uncovered his crimes marcus wesson who's born in kansas city kansas on august twenty second nineteen forty six he was the eldest of four siblings his mother kerry wesson wasn't an avid member of the seventh day adventist church a protestant christian sect she brought marcus and his siblings to church every saturday without exception kerry lead nightly prayer sessions with her children she even wrote her own kid friendly interpretations of the bible to teach them she was very strict and regularly screamed at her children for hours if they miss behaved marcus father ben wesson wasn't abusive alcoholic he spent all of the family's money on liquor and as a result the western spur frequently evicted when they couldn't make rent at night then got drunk and was subject to wild mood swings marcus his sister cheryl later recalled her father getting in a violent drunk and fight with a stranger at a bar his neck was slashed by a knife he was brought home covered in blood and nearly died in front of her when he wasn't violent then became extremely overly affectionate schnitt show did not claim been molested her but did say he would just hug and kiss all the time you'd have to kind of run up the stairs is something several of marcus his childhood friends were assaulted by ben one friend gregory bledsoe stated that when he was a teenager then asked to perform a sexual act on him when gregory said no been offered the boys fifty dollars and he relented the memory caused gregory shame same for years afterward on another occasion when gregory were sleeping over at marcus house he woke up defined been trying to pull his pants down gregory told them to leave and the man's scurried away gregory kept the incident to himself self out embarrassment and then didn't come onto him after that marcus is unpredictable father and strict mother created a turbulent home life when he was young marcus was introverted an awkward in social situations he made few friends other than his siblings and had a severe stutter vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note vanessa it's not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has a lot of research for the show thanks greg abuse marcus suffered at the hands of his parents likely contributed to his social trouble early in life doctor frederick wolverton the director of psychotherapy institute wrote most speech de facto actually outward manifestations of childhood trauma marcus enter version made him seem uninterested in people for the most part but he was drawn to animals especially dogs once he found his scrawny starting starting dog collapsed in the street she cared the dog home and was determined to revive it insisting he heard a heartbeat mark escape the dog a bath and stayed up all night giving it milk by morning the dog was up and moving around again he saved his life his interest in dogs wasn't altogether altruistic however gregory remembered him bringing a strange looking dog class one day marcus bred to neighborhood dogs because he was curious about what their offspring would look like in nineteen fifty six when marcus was ten the wasn't family moved to san jose california as he grew up marcus starting to come out of his shell he joined the track team in high school and it was a star athlete most of his classmates and teachers recognized him as intelligent but he neglected his homework and did not have good grades in his teens marcus was also able to overcome a speech impediment he started you talk to his classmates more they were surprised to discover the quiet boys temerity he had extremely strong opinions and held to them stubbornly even as a teenager marcus formulated his own opinions on spiritual matters at odds it's with the seventh day adventist church he was raised in he proclaimed publicly that he believed in polygamy against the churches doctrine he told his friends on several occasions that he hoped to have multiple wives one day markets dropped out of high school in his senior year in nineteen sixty six at the age of nineteen he joined the uss army he trained as a medic and drove an ambulance during the vietnam war two years later in nineteen sixty eight marcus was honorably discharged he went back home delivered with his parents and began attending community college in san jose while he was in vietnam a lot has changed at home around the time marcus was discharged some cousins end his paternal grandmother moved to san jose from alabama they fell on hard financial times and moved in with the lessons the small home was very crowded marcus father ben no close to fifty years old start at just spend more and more time with his nephew eighteen year old larry morgan larry was marcus cousin these strange son of ben's brother raised by his and marcus his grandmother after several months bench shocked stock the family by announcing that he and larry were moving out together ben left his wife of over twenty years for his nephew the men but a small house in san jose marcus his mother cut off all contact with ben and no one in the family saw him for years afterward the story costa scandal in the small neighborhood but wasn't family were targets of malicious rumors that church and social events which even made its way to marcus college campus after less than a year at the school he dropped out in part because of the constant gossip about him and his family the same year he returned a san jose twenty one year old marcus met thirty four year old rosemary so loria through a friend soon the two started dating rosemary was married with six kids but separated from her husband aftermarkets dropped out of college he lives with her subsisting on welfare after marcus moved in with rosemary he seemed content to scrape by without a job he showed no interest in working and refuse to find employment anytime rosemary brought it up as a result rosemary the children children at marcus lifting precarious conditions marcus stole what he needed sometimes bringing one of rosemary's kids with him to distract security guards he took total control over the household she insisted the whole family switch to a vegetarian diet in accordance with his religious beliefs he was hard on the children especially the boys and physically abused them if they miss behaved marcus his willingness to physically abused children and who were in his own likely had routes in his own upbringing according to a psychiatrist doctor david allen the majority of abused children do not go onto abused their own children many become model parents but we do know that most severely abusive parents were themselves abused as children marcus suffered physical and possibly sexual abuse at the hands of his father he was subjected to emotional abuse from his mother this may have convinced him that children required harsh discipline doctor allen also wrote my ideas about the nature of the role these folks are playing in their dysfunctional families is speculative my guess is the victims or survivors there's a significant abuse secretly wanna think that their families are not is sick or evil sd abuse might suggest in a sense they're trying to normalize and deep pathologist their parents abusive behavior the way marcus took over raising rosemary's children mirrored his own upbringing he led bible study several times a week sometimes using the same tax his mother had used during bible study he became an entirely different person he reverently evidently read scripture and interpreted it for the family he was patient in time when the children ask questions the kids especially the boys were surprised to see demand soften from a short tempered authoritarian to caring teacher at first his interpretations were mostly in line with the teachings of the seventh day adventist church but as time went on he mixed his own dog my into the ratings but the merged farther and farther from the scripture but the way he spoke that is seemingly endless knowledge of the bible lynch's unique interpretations wait many times the family did not even realize that what he said about polygamy or the relationship between a husband and wife wasn't radically radically different from the mainstream churches doctrines privately marcus spend even more time speaking with rosemary about the bible and his special relationship with god eventually he told her he spoke with god endless chosen to be a prophet that rosemary is odd he seemed so sure of himself and she wanted to believe that god's chosen one had intern chosen her to be his mate her belief in marcus allowed him to take further control of the family after two years rosemary was pregnant with marcus child she gave birth to a son adair in nineteen seventy one when marcus was twentyfive and she was thirty seven after there was born learn marcus argued with rosemary more and more he was fanatical he determined when the family eight what they watched on tv and when they went out his insistence that he was a prophet meant he refused to admit guilt for anything he did he claimed every action he took was ordained by god overtime rosemary's will was beaten down she was afraid marcus would get violent if she defied him and worried about her young children as the years went on it became easier and easier gillette marcus's iron grip takeover by nineteen seventy three two years after a dare was born marcus stopped showing a section to rosemary 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criminals psychologist doctor robert hair wrote these individuals at times appear to be cold and unemotional while nevertheless being prone to dramatic shallow end shortlived displays of feeling marcus's mood swings work constant source of stress for those in the household at times he wasn't insightful and loving preacher who the children loved but if something small set him off he suddenly became of violence abuser when marcus revealed elisabeth was pregnant with his child rosemary agreed to let marcus mary the girl as long as he kept it secret from the rest of the family but the secret couldn't be kept the law as elizabeth pregnant belly became visible one rosemary's teenage sons jesse was revolted when he found out jesse had been the most combative with marcus ever since he moved in and by far face the worst of his physical abuse jesse start at an argument with marcus in response marcus used an electrical cord as a whip striking the boys so many times that left permanent scars a few days later one of jesse's these family members on his father's side called the police about the abuse the cops arrived at night and pounded on the door marcus saw the blue and red lights through the window and knew he had act fast before you answer the door he called jesse into the living room marcus made a quick deal with him if the boy promise to keep his mouth shut about the abuse marcus would leave the house with elizabeth and never return considering the violence jesse in his other the siblings had faced for the last four years he thought it was a good deal rosemary also pleaded with jesse to get rid of the police to keep the family out of trouble jesse agreed but after the police left marcus just did not go quietly at the last second he changed the terms of the agreement and insisted he needed rosemary's van to it was the families only form of transportation this was the last straw for jesse he attacked a bitter fight ensued marcus beat the boy so savagely that jesse grabbed a screwdriver and held it to marcus his throat he swore if marcus hit him again he would step in markets could see the rage and jesse size knew he was serious she backed down and left with elizabeth they moved into marcus his mother carey's house by this time kerry was used a scandal it had been almost eight years and she had spoken to her husband and she feared a falling out with marcus would mean losing more of her family she let her son in elizabeth stay in the house but held them district dietary unreligious rules the second and elizabeth and marcus caused any trouble she warned they would be out on the street contrary to his behavior when he lives with rosemary marcus was meek around his mother he still ordered elizabeth around but what's not nearly as mileage and the housing situation worked for a while in nineteen seventy four marcus married elisabeth with their mothers permission he was twenty seven as elizabeth was fifteen the situation changed a few months later after after elisabeth gave birth to a son named dorian kerry became increasingly uncomfortable she did not like the way her son glazed about all day without a job she feared her complacency was making him too much like his father in an attempt at tough love she kicked marcus elisabeth an dorian out she told marcus things wouldn't improve for him unless he got a job for the sake of her grandchild she begged him to find work surprisingly marcus took her advice he elisabeth moved into a house nearby and marcus managed to get a job as a teller at the local wells fargo he shaved his unruly beard and cut his hair though he maintained is authoritarian temperament at home at work he became a new man end a reliable employee elisabeth mark is settled into a comfortable routine by the time elizabeth was nineteen she had given birth to another son and two daughters her fifth child passed away drink childbirth from the moment the children were born marcus treated them harshly he did not tolerate crying even when they were only a couple of weeks old when the baby's he's cried he ordered elisabeth did discipline numb to do this he gave her a stick that what's happening inch thick he insisted she spank the children on the rear end the bottoms of their feet until they quieted it hurt elisabeth just bang the babies and she often cried about doing it but she knew she had listened demarcus if she didn't he would take the babies into the bedroom in spanked himself he was not kind dispatching punishment marcus's short temper only got worse the longer he worked as a bank teller he grew more frustrated by his job every day he bristled at being told what to do and railed against the state environment of the bank in nineteen seventy seven and thirty one year old mark has reached a breaking point he longed for his days with rosemary when he was unemployed and had total freedom he quit his job and went back on welfare she grew dreadlock sent a large beard elisabeth didn't give any objections when he quit she had been groomed to listen to marcus unquestioning lease and she was nine years old as psychology professor doctor elisabeth jag lake road abusive groomers work to gain the trust of the victims so that they can engage in they abused without detection this makes the children feel special and gives them the belief that they have a caring relationship with the perpetrators marcus capitalized on elisabeth vulnerability and her ability as a child and tricked into believing they had a special relationship when really he just wanted her to be his servant in keeping with his own upbringing marcus took this family to the locals seventh day adventist church every every saturday he took on the same role is mother had as a spiritual counselor for the family he read scripture to elisabeth end the children and again mixed church doctrine with his own hardline beliefs about everything from polygamy to be afterlife one night when the family attended church in october of nineteen seventy eight thirty two year old marcus spotted a new attendee in the pews her name was ill belly she young pregnant woman about sixteen years old she had recently run away from home after a fight with her parents about her pregnancy the to start spending time together according to l a bill at that point i was looking for something to depend depend on someone to trust and marcus was somewhat i could trust marcus spent long hours listening to l a bell and offering her advice he had an intense way of speaking to people is if they were the only ones in the world as time went on marcus slowly build out revelations in the same way he hooked rosemary and elisabeth his council began as a practical advice then once he had it'll bells trust he expanded on his ideals eventually eventually reaching the point where he called himself god's chosen product his serious attitude end wellspoken charm drew in little bell in he was supportive and spoke with authority that made the sixteen year old want to believe then him so when he cancelled her just stop contacting her unborn babies father she listen it will slowly cut up the few remaining members of her support network head marcus advice she gave up on reconciling with their parents she lives alone in an apartment not far from mark their son elizabeth's house after a few months she was entirely dependent on marcus for emotional support relationship expert darlene lancer highlighted emotional shingle and physical isolation as key components of abusive relationships she wrote that abusers are often possessive and they're unable to accept blame for their actions ill a bell experienced these qualities first hand with marcus marcus devoted considerable time dale appeal and guided her through her pregnancy she gave birth in nineteen seventy nine anti helps you with that too then in december of nineteen seventy nine several months after dell's baby had been born their relationship progressed marcus had always been physically close with l a bell and often hugged her during their long deep talks but on this night at the bills apartment marcus wouldn't be on his usual hug he kissed her and then undressed she told sixteen year old l a bell he loves her and the two had sex the liaisons continued for a few months before elisabeth found out unsurprisingly way elisabeth did not like the new development but by now she had been living under marcus system for almost twelve years since she was nine years old he knew exactly how to manipulate her and she rarely win against his wishes still she told marcus she could never accept being second place to another woman marcus assured elisabeth his devotion to her would always take precedence he insisted that should his relationship with it will continue would never distract him from his family and children at home after weeks of persistent needling elisabeth reluctantly consented to marcus's sexual relationship with l about she stipulated that he could never get ill a belt pregnant however an marcus promised they would only have oral sex this arrangement continued for years during this time as his children were getting older marcus became more eccentric than ever before he was still obsessed with the idea of having multiple wives and frequently ranted about the biblical legitimacy the concept he closed his family off from the outside world to cement his control over them the longer he kept him isolated the more tyrannical he became he started exempting himself from rural see forced the rest of the family to follow they still had eat vegetarian but he could eat meat he used the families meager financials to eat at restaurants while his children went out at night to collect food from dumpsters establishing vague rules and bending them arbitrarily is a common tactic of authoritarian as psycho therapists doctor eric may sell noted authoritarian tyrians love rules for other people the more quixotic in unclear the rules the better since quixotic unclear rules are the least possible to follow foreign authoritarian the rules are there to be broken so so that punishment can follow during the day his wife and children were at his beck and call then frequently punished he then subjected them to link these sermons which increasingly diverge from conventional church doctrine he asserted did the priests n church hierarchy were all corrupt he claimed they had strayed from god's true word and giving into in immoral society he criticized the church not preaching about the second coming of jesus christ enough he told his children be apocalypse was so close that they would probably never have time to grow up getting married or move away the children were home schooled in a curriculum that focused on these ideas along with requirements to reed memorize scripture the bible is interpreted with the help of marcus's bizarre handwritten personal writings which he expanded upon refined over the years his doctor and grew more heretical than any beliefs marcus expressed to his friends besides designating himself as god's final private markets shared new piff unease with his wife and children according to marcus jesus christ was in immortal vampire he allowed his apostles to drink his blood to achieve immortality marcus raised his children to believe that god almighty had designated him as eight second god they believed he was the last in a long succession of vampires destined to leave the family to paradise when jesus returned to earth the world would end soon in a blaze of fire and brimstone and nonbelievers would be sent the hell marcus force the children remain indoors almost all the time she told them public schools police officers and other authority figures were dangerous he said all these people worked for satan and they want it just stopped him from leading the children have in one day he claimed they would try to destroy the family and steal their souls de only way to protect the family in marcus's view was to expand it in nineteen eighty when he was thirty four and elizabeth was twenty two elisabeth gave birth to another son alum may west and he brought their total number of children to five their oldest child dorian was now five years old soon the family marcus had worked so hard to control would be on the verge of fracture coming up markets shows a rare compassion when one of his children is put in danger you have the suspects fingerprints at the crime scene you have witnesses testifying that they saw the suspect commit the crime the suspect has a motive it's an open and shut case or is it each week my show not guilty examines controversial criminal cases and tries to determine why solid evidence doesn't always leads to a conviction you'll discover the ins and outs of how police first investigate a case by working the scene of the crime taking witness statements following leads an identifying possible civil suspect then you learn how to be evidence collected actually plays out in the courtroom and how the jury reaches 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premium dot com slash rush par cast and use promo code par cast no back to the story in nineteen eighty thirty four year old marcus west and lives with his wife twenty one year old elizabeth wesson and five children in san jose california marcus is bizarre religious dogma which included believing jesus christ was a vampire rob the family closer and closer to complete isolation as the years went on despite is self absorption marcus wasn't completely devoid of empathy late in nineteen eighty while the family was driving down the highway his second oldest son adrian had an accident this four year old boy was fiddling with the luck on the back door and accidentally opened it while the car was moving he tumbled out the door and onto the highway marcus pulled over and slammed on the brakes but before anyone could reach adrian a semi truck ran right over the boy after the truck past marcus rushed into the street to retrieve his son it seemed he had been clipped by some part of the trucks undercarriage but was remarkably not hit by the wheels marcus took adrian to the emergency room and stayed up with him all night he wept the boy and pleaded with the doctors luckily adrian recover without any permanent damage marcus frequently brought up adrian miraculous killer survival as a sign of god's blessings upon him and his family marcus truly felt he had been deemed special by god he believed he was he only one capable of accurately interpreting the bible as part of his status as god's chosen he worked hard at shaping the family to his specifications elisabeth gave birth about once a year and she had two more children between nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty two meanwhile marcus his relationship with a nineteen year old elo belly had not stopped in nineteen eighty two three years after their affair began he convinced elisabeth to allow him to take the relationship to the next level all he sent abella somewhat incoherent wetter inviting her to become a second wife and handmade to elizabeth marcus again compared himself to god to justify getting what he wanted he wrote in part he'll a bell you liz and all the children are my kingdom christ has many individual marriages but together they are his kingdom according to marcus since christ had many families in groups some people who were all a part of this larger kingdom it was appropriate for him to have many wives in his ideal world his kingdom would include all of his wives and their individual families hilla belfer her part was deeply deeply in love with marcus but she felt inferior to elizabeth she learned that if she agreed to be marcus his second wife she would also be expected to do whatever elizabeth asked she later said he cherished her and he didn't cherish me i was supposed to be elizabeth servant there's something my relationship with him was secondary dila bell declined they offer because she crepe more commitment from markets but she didn't break things off entirely she was still completely emotionally dependent on him she worried that if she stopped having sex with him or letting him borrow money that she would be left to raise her child all alone marcus cultivated elo bells insecurity by making sure she knew elizabeth was better than her another strategy of abusive men as psychotherapist michael for me go wrote this victim is also morbidly insecure she also has little sense of her own and social value but makes an effort to establish that value by losing herself to the demand for submission is can be a difficult state of mind to break away from about a year after declining to be marcus his second wife twenty year roll dila bill finally ended their relationship in nineteen eighty three she bought a car with the assistance of her brother and left california for good without telling marcus by marcus took ill bells departure hard he resented elisabeth for not allowing him to take his relationship with l a bell further early on he had been close to achieving his longtime fantasy of having multiple wives but he didn't give up on me idea he just learned he needed to be more more careful in the future not to arouse lizard that's jealousy ultimately marcus blame societal norms and the outside world for l a belt leaving he decided a separate his family from society even more with saved welfare checks and some lies to the bank marcus acute alone and brought a small tractive land in the santa cruz mountains about thirty miles from san jose the family of nine lives in a small reconstructed house on the land and there they spent long hours studying scripture with marcus at this point even elisabeth rarely left the property marcus frequently went into town for hours without explaining where he had gone leaving her with the kids this new change didn't last long however marcus failed to pay the mortgage end in less than a year by nineteen eighty four the house and the land repossessed marcus then moved his family to fresno california there they reconnected acted with some of the list of siblings none of them at seen marcus or lisbeth in ten years elisabeth sister lives in a duplex along with some of elizabeth cousins marcus his first child adair who he had with elizabeth mother rosemary also lift their after so long the siblings were happy to reconnect hard feelings had disappeared elisabeth brothers who had suffered the brunt of marcus abuse libbed on their own outside of a duplex elizabeth and marcus convince their strange relatives to let the move in downstairs none of the adults in the house had jobs after a few months the rest of the tenants past portions of their welfare checks onto marcus to pay him for home schooling the children he also led the entire family in bible study three times a week the rest of the family was inspired by marcus to undergo religious revival and they approved of his teachings he changed the diets of his nieces and nephews and made them dress in long modest skirts and as he discipline them by hitting them with the stick wrapped in duct tape no one complained less they face marcus's rafts he was the unquestioned leader of the house and after all these years elisabeth still believes he would leave the malta paradise acquaintances of the family at this time described the western children as a group of unsettling robots they didn't speak english spoken to never complained he cried andrew unfailingly polite they didn't seem like normal happy go lucky kids one friend of the family heard the children referred markets as master on several occasions as the years went on the family pulled their welfare scrape by elizabeth had two more children sarah fino and lease by nineteen eighty six when marcus was forty years old this her family total to nine children marcus continue to expand on his spiritual writings and focused most of his efforts on brainwashing the children his methods had much in common with other manipulative cults psychoanalyst stanley calf has said often cults set up a we they philosophy we have the truth and you do not marcus emphasized is sold session of spiritual truth on a daily basis the children referred to him as a second god or lord journey prayers he railed against the heresy an immorality of established religious groups like the catholic church had insisted he had a monopoly unreligious truth he was let's be only one truly listening when god spoke the next victim of marcus is abused was his niece sophie not she was one of their extended family who marcus tutored the daughter of elizabeth sister soon after her twelfth birthday in nineteen eighty six forty year old marcus began molesting stuffing she told her he did this all his daughters he claimed that society look down on it he was doing it for her good he said his daughters needed to know how to please bear to prepare them for marriage at the same time marcus segregated the boys from the girls he worried they would develop sexual feelings for each other and threatened his influence he gave the boys much greater freedom and the girls they could play outside while the girls had asked permission even go into the backyard even with his precautions and strict rules forty one year old mark is still still felt life in town is corrupting his kids in nineteen eighty seven he decided to move his family to the wilderness to cut them off from being purity's b outside world she now plan to purchase a boat which she hoped to sail around the world but this children one day that year marcus move to santa cruz with his children he also brought the children of elisabeth sister including so sina the sister didn't like marcus but felt her children would be better off in a stable religious environment she had been boxed out of her children's lived ever since she refused to abide by marcus's strict rules endless not aware of the extent of abuse altogether marcus elisabeth left fresno snow with sixteen children the youngest was two years old the oldest thirteen around this time marcus purchased a small house boat in santa cruz harbor he paid its former owner five hundred dollars per month using his welfare checks the deal is kept quiet as using his benefit money to buy the boat violated the terms of the welfare marcus convinced a friend he knew from church stony burnett to purchase the vote in his dame sixty arrangement would not be discovered owning the boat did not make us children's live and easier it was a small vessel and could only comfortably sleep for people the family of eighteen had asleep in shifts or else crowd together in unworkable worker believe packed conditions marcus's short term solution was to move his children into a dilapidated school bus that lay ended abandoned the lot near the harbor he kept the children working day and night to refurbish the bus would spare parts and tools he stole from hardware stores in time the bus was converted into a makeshift rv but it was far from luxurious children's swept across the seats but had little in terms of heating or air conditioning running water and electricity remained out of reach residents around santa cruz harbor frequently complained about the lessons they saw the family taking food from dumpsters at night several fast food restaurants called the police after the lessons bathed in public bathrooms and clogged the sinks the children collected aluminum cans just sell it the recycling plant for marcus is part years only made him stranger his dreadlocks now reached the middle of his back he took to wearing ready brown cloak and caring walking stick he prowled the streets occasionally surmising an explosive tones about god's grace and mankind's lost perfection one town resident described him as a frustrated cult leader who is ignored by most people concerned citizens called child protective services several times but they were unable to keep up with the nomadic family after one visit the western family disappeared into the mountains for weeks and cbs could never conduct a follow up interview one of marcus's more incomprehensible tactics to avoid the law which to call the welfare office or cps cps and impersonate obscure actor richard with mark would mark acted in hollywood crime films in the nineteen forties and fifties it's unclear why marcus thought they actor's name would grab him access to privileged government information but he tried it repeatedly his own explanation field is shed any light on his logic but did show that the gambit occasionally succeeded according to marcus by pretending to be would mark he received advance notice that the tax successor was going to play selene on his boat he stated by posing as richard with mark called the tax office just three days before i received a notice i posed as reactor because they wanted to find out why the boat listen marcus weston's name instead of my wife's name he later called the same office argue as a whip mark that marcus west and could not pay the lean because he was on welfare he also repeatedly called the harbor master sir who you thousands of dollars in docking fees to try and escape is that after year in the bus end on the boat marcus's children pleaded for more comfortable accommodations marcus trumped up yet another another scam to keep his family moving in nineteen eighty eight at the age of forty two marcus made it arrangement with a local landowner outside of santa cruz the man aj wheeler agreed to rent out a quarter of an acre of unoccupied you pied land in the mountains in return from monthly payments of five hundred dollars this stanley was allowed to cap on the land and eventually own it outright it's unknown how marcus got the money each month to pay for both the boat inland and but it is clear that part of the deal involves keeping his name off the official deed further inland probably to avoid a conviction for welfare fraud as he would discover his scams were far from foolproof the state of california noticed a discrepancy in his boats ownership paperwork and launched an inquiry for the first time marcus face legal scrutiny and a possible prison sentence he couldn't regal is way out of he had managed to evade cps by moving his children around but couldn't risk losing his welfare benefits those checks were all that kept the family afloat marcus was forced to lawyer up and come to court he cut his hair shaved his beard and showed up to his trial an entirely different person marcus laws legal battle was a challenge from the system he it's burned his entire life he would do anything to maintain is a gem many over his family which would soon need to unspeakable depravity the reign of marcus wesson as the lord of the vampire cult would not be stocked thanks again for tuning into cults will be back with part two on marcus wesson next tuesday will see how his efforts to enlarge his family led to an increasingly bizarre and disgusting situation finally will examine the dramatic events that led to the brutal murders of nine of the western children in a violent standoff with 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Marcus Wesson

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Marcus Wesson

"Welcome to the murder minute podcast. Your daily dose of true crime on today's episode the story of Marcus Wesson, but I your true crime headlines. A Texas bartender was arrested and charged last week a year and a half after a patron. She served left her establishment and committed eight murders. Twenty-seven-year-old Lindsey glass was working at local public house in plano, Texas. When thirty two year old Spencer height walked into the bar one afternoon in September of twenty seventeen. She served him to drinks, and then he left, he returned about four hours later, and she served him to beers, and a shot during that second visit he seemed agitated and drunk and surveillance video from the bar that day showed him bumping into tables, and brandishing a knife and a gun concerned about his behavior, the bartender texted, a co worker, Timothy banks asking him to come and talk to height in her text messages to banks. She described height as drunk and acting weird, and she said that she thought he may have been drinking somewhere else during the time between his first visit and his second. When banks arrived at the bar and spoke to height he urged him, not to drive and asked him to leave his weapons behind height ignored both requests and instead drove to the home of his estranged wife Meredith who was hosting a gathering of friends and coworkers to watch football that evening at their home, height opened fire on the party shooting. Nine people eight of them died among the dead were several of Spencer, heights friends, including two groomsmen from his wedding Spencer height was shot by police officers responding to the incident and died on the scene. Lindsey glass was charged under a seldom enforced statute forbidding service of alcohol to an intoxicated, person while it is not in dispute that she did serve alcohol to Mr. height, her attorneys, assert that she went above and beyond to try to prevent the tragedy. That day by calling nine one one herself to report. Heights troubling behavior. She was friends with Meredith height, and would have been in attendance at the party had she not been working Spencer, heights blood alcohol content. At the time of his death was point three three more than four times. The legal limit in the state of Texas. An airline pilot was arrested at Louisville international airport last week and charged with three counts of murder for the twenty fifteen deaths of his neighbors as passengers waited to board a flight to North Carolina. They're pilot Christian Martin was taken into custody and later indicted on three counts of murder, as well as arson burglary and tampering with evidence. He is accused of killing Calvin and Pamela Phillips and Edward, Dan. Sarah, in the small, Kentucky town of Pembroke Christian Martin. A former military officer was court martialled in twenty fifteen on charges of abuse and mishandling of classified documents his neighbor Calvin Phillips was listed as a potential witness in the case, but was murdered along with his wife and his brand, before he had a chance to testify in military court, a thirty year old man from Massachusetts is under arrest charged with stabbing to hikers one of them. Fatally along a stretch of the Appalachian trail in southern Virginia less. Tweak, the trail, which stretches for more than twenty one hundred miles from Georgia to Maine, draws millions of visitors annually, including thousands of hikers, who attempt to traverse the entire path in a single year, the accused attacker, who was already known to thorns for harassing hikers along the trail has been identified as James L Jordan, Jordan countered, a group of four hikers, who had set up a camp along the trail, he spoke to them through their tents threatening to pour gasoline on them and set them on fire. The hikers started to pack up and leave and Jordan attacked them with a knife, two of them were able to flee, but Jordan stabbed the other two fatally injuring one man and leaving one woman. Seriously injured a hand held GPS device carried by one of the hikers sent an SOS signal to thirties, who used it to find the victims and their attacker, the killing is the tenth along the trail in the forty five years since recordkeeping began. A jury has found eighteen year old Matthew Borjas guilty of first degree murder in the beheading death of his high school classmate leave the Loria Paolina. Oh in twenty sixteen. It is believed that Borjas who was fifteen at the time killed sixteen year old Paulino because of jealousy over a girl and then cut off his head and hands and an attempt to make his body more difficult to identify Borjas, who was tried as an adult for the crime did not take the stand at his trial. And the defense did not call any witnesses the prosecution called dozens of witnesses and presented. An abundance of evidence over the course of the two week long trial, including text messages and journal entries outlining his plans for the crime. The jury deliberated for four hours before returning the guilty verdict. According to sentencing guidelines mortgages is now facing twenty five years to life in prison. Those are your true crime headlines for true crime, anytime. Download the murder minute app or follow us on Instagram at murder minute. Welcome to the murder minute podcast today, the story of a man who turned his family into an incestuous Colt. Marcus Wesson was born in Kansas, in nineteen forty six the eldest of four children of Benjamin and Carrie Wesson and raised as a member of the Seventh Day Adventist church. His mother was a religious fanatic, his father, an alcoholic and an abuser who abandoned the family when Marcus was a child in the early nineteen sixties his family moved to California where former classmates recall that the young, Marcus Wesson had close cropped hair, liked model in electric, trains and wore slacks, a white shirt jacket and often tie to Fremont junior, high school, while the other kids wore jeans, and t-shirts, Marcus seem studious and sang in the junior, high choir, but later dropped out of high school when he didn't have enough credits to graduate and soon enlisted in the army army records show that Wesson received medical Cormon training for ten weeks in nineteen sixty six at fort Sam Houston, Texas, following his training. He was shipped overseas. Spending nearly two years. As an army ambulance driver in Europe, during the Vietnam, conflict, Marcus Wessons military service would prove the only stable job, he would ever have Marcus moved back to the United States on June second nineteen sixty eight shortly thereafter. He began a relationship with an older. Married woman named Rosemary solo Rio and convinced her to leave her allegedly abusive husband, western soon, moved in with Rosemary, and her children into her three bedroom house in San Jose. The pair had a son in nineteen seventy-one. But at the same time, Marcus Wesson was grooming Rosemary's eight year old daughter Elizabeth, he told the girl that God had chosen her to be his bride. And in nineteen seventy four Wesson, married, Elizabeth, staging a wedding ceremony in their home, by the time she was twelve Wesson was sexually abusing the girl when she was fifty. Eighteen Marcus, and Elizabeth legally married after Elizabeth became pregnant, he was twenty seven by the end of the nineteen seventies Marcus, and Elizabeth Wesson had four children Dorian, Adrian Kiani and Sabrina all born in Santa Clara county. They would go on to have six more in the nineteen eighties mourn, and Santa Clara county, Donovan, Marcus junior, Elizabeth and Serafino born in Santa Cruz county and gypsy born in Fresno county, Donovan, sadly, died, only six months old from spinal meningitis, the birthplaces reflect a nomadic lifestyle despite his growing family Wesson, did not have a stable job, he lived on welfare and when his children grew old enough. He sent them out to work, and collected their wages for himself, while the family scavenged for food wherever they could find it in nineteen eighty one, according to court da. Occupant's Wesson applied to transfer welfare benefits to Santa Cruz county and claimed a bus as his home in the fall of nineteen eighty six western arranged to buy a twenty six foot boat. He told the seller that he liked to sail and wanted to modify the vote to accommodate his wife and nine children paying with traveler's checks and money. Orders Wesson bought the fourteen thousand dollar boat in nineteen eighty seven soon after the Santa Cruz county taxes, Esser was asking about the boat's value. And the welfare department wanted to explore its ownership several times western called the county using the name of the actor Richard with Mark to report that the boat belonged to someone else. He told his welfare caseworker that he needed the boat to qualify as a live aboard so that he could gain access to the harbour bathroom and shower for his family at the same time he was resisting efforts to terminate his. Villages, at the harbour the master and Santa Cruz called it preposterous that the entire western clan could sleep on the boat. Ultimately harbor officials passed a law limiting the number of people who could live on a boat to the number of beds, provided by the manufacturer in one court letter addressed to servants of the law Wesson wrote, a man is within the jurisdiction of equity ethics and legality when he takes advantage of loopholes in the law for the betterment of his family in nineteen eighty nine Weston was criminally charged with perjury and welfare fraud related to the boat and thority said that he was overpaid by more than twenty thousand dollars in benefits and food stamps Wesson, then with shoulder-length dreadlocks decided to file a series of motions in zone, case, which were dismissed by the trial, judge as gibberish. He was convicted of welfare fraud and perjury in nineteen ninety and sentenced to five. Ears probation, one hundred eighty days in jail and several fines he was ordered to find a job and sell his boat to pay. Overdue bills at the harbour friends and acquaintances who knew him at the time, said that Marcus Wesson, just seemed like a counterculture guy who was eccentric, but fairly intelligent and trying to work all the angles. But while some certainly noticed the poverty that the western family was living in and they're unconventional lifestyle. No one suspected, the dark reality going on behind closed doors strict and controlling Marcus Wesson home schooled, the children himself. He used a handwritten version of the King James bible in which he portrayed. Jesus Christ as a vampire, gradually he taught the children that he was an incarnation of God. He even claimed to be telepathic and said that God spoke through him. The Lord has me mentally hooked up to you guys twenty four hours a day. Told them whatever I think goes to you spiritually. They were forced to refer to him as Lord or master. The kids were raised in an abusive cult with western at its head telling his daughters that they were destined to be his wives. Meanwhile, Marcus Wesson continued to manage an add to his unorthodox collection of property in the nineteen nineties Wesson bought, two more boats, one was a decaying, sixty three foot tugboat where the family occasionally lived Wesson said he intended to fix up the boat and journey around the world with his children, extended family had no idea what Marcus was doing his brothers and sisters, even entrusted him to look after their children, Marcus, nieces and nephews while they went through their own struggles. Marcus took care to separate the girls from the boys worrying that his incestuous lust might transmit to the next generation. The boys stay. Didn't run down shack in the woods while the girls were hidden away on the boat when Marcus's daughters, or nieces reached age, seven, there would be another wedding ceremony. All five of these wives would go onto become pregnant with incestuous children by Marcus. He repeatedly told them God's people are becoming extinct. We need to preserve God's children. We need to have more children for the Lord to hide the incestuous relationships Wesson told the girls to tell relatives that they were artificially inseminated Wesson began to prepare the children for the apocalypse. If the time came are you ready? He would ask as they understood it detective say Wesson was asking whether they were ready to kill themselves and others. If the government tried to split up the family police officers, he taught them were demons coming to hurt them, Marcus Wesson, said that he was Christ and referred to. Law enforcement authorities as Satan, he was fascinated with Branch Davidian leader, David Koresh, a charismatic man with multiple wives who commanded nearly eighty Branch Davidians killed in nineteen ninety three when they're Waco, Texas compound exploded and fire. While watching television news accounts of the siege, western told his children, this is how the world is attacking God's people. This man is just like me. He is making children for the Lord. That's what we should be doing making children for the Lord. If the police ever broke into the home he had taught the children what to do they would fight back. They would defend the family, they would protect their God. Anyone who disobeyed Wesson or talk to a person outside of the family was beaten even for misdeeds trivial has taken a teaspoon of peanut butter when the family went out the children walked in a single file line behind Wesson, all dressed in black robes. They were told to look at the ground and avoid making eye contact with anyone by the late nineties, the children of Marcus in Elizabeth, where teenagers and becoming young adults. Most were working often start. At McDonald's and later waitresses at the Radisson hotel in downtown Fresno with Marcus Wesson, of course, managing their money in two thousand the family bought a badly fire damaged historic two story, Tudor home built in nineteen thirty five that was near Fresno City College. It was sold by a lawyer. Frank Muda to Kiani Wesson, Sabrina Wesson, so FIA, Sola Rio, and ruby. Sanchez immune were called meeting with several young women and Wesson, who talked about the repairs. He thought were needed to make the home livable originally. Western said he wasn't related to the women later, he said that he was an uncle of two of them, Marcus wasn't wasn't listed on the title at the Cambridge avenue house. There were problems documented in an inches. Thick code enforcement file the city complained about the lack of progress in refurbishing the home, and that someone was living in an old shed behind the main house. The women handled the code enforcement complaints and city officials who saw western at the house believed that he was a workman in may of two thousand one unit sued the women for failing to pay him for the full price of the damaged home. He says that he noticed a relationship between western and the women once he saw one woman, sitting next to us in with her hand in his back pocket another time. He saw one give west kiss goodbye on the lips Byun also saw two coffins on the property, one contained betting. He says, and may have been being used as a crib Wesson had apparently bought seven to ten caskets from an antique store for between four hundred and five hundred dollars a piece he claimed to make furniture in December of two thousand two Marcus Wesson attempted to sell a manuscript about his life, titled in the night of the light for the dark to the New York publishing company vantage press. The company rejected it saying it didn't make sense. Meanwhile, code enforcement battles continued at city hall, and the family began dodging inspections of the home by saying that they were working in the bay area and couldn't arrange to be at the house inspectors also noticed their large school bus and a utility trailer parked in the driveway in July of two thousand three the city began issuing citations for illegal storage of the vehicles. Marcus Wesson was losing control, and his grip on some of his adult children soon began to weaken when nineteen year old daughter, gypsy was the first western girl to escape though. She did not report her father to the authorities, the legal and city battles over the house, soon evaporated when the family quickly sold the house realizing that they had dangerously attracted the attention of authorities and Marcus Wesson, risked exposure. But the western family, which now included several. More children didn't move far in September of two thousand three roses solo Rio purchased a new property near roading park. But the family ran into trouble again, with city authorities at their new Fresno home, authorities say the family violated city codes by living in the building, which was owned for commercial rather than residential. Use officials also said that the west converted school bus shouldn't be parked in a residential area. They were issued a citation and ordered to leave or obtain a special permit, to stay the deadline was March twelve two thousand four Wesson was now saying that he wished to relocate his daughters, and their children to Washington state, where west parents lived, but some family members had had enough when March twelve arrived Marcus wasn't nieces. So FINA Sola Rio and ruby. Sanchez went to the property to take their children by western who were being. Held inside western refused. And the police were called the officers ordered him out Fresno police believed that they were responding to what was described as a child custody issue during the course of the standoff Wesson, who first appeared cooperative to the police was permitted to step away. And go back into the house. Fresno police testified that they did not hear gunshots being fired shortly thereafter, though. Other witnesses presence at the standoff, testified that they did hear gunshots fired at the time. The police had no legal right to enter even after talking with the city attorney to family members burst out of the building shouting that wasn't had a gun, a swat team was called just as they arrived western stepped out of the house. He was drenched in blood and stood with his hands in the air calmly surrendering the police arrested lesson. And finally entered the house inside. They found nine dead bodies their ages ranging from just one year old to twenty five Sabrina Wesson, twenty five Elizabeth Wesson, seventeen Ila, bell Wesson. Eight Aviv Wesson, seven Jonathan Wesson, seven Ethan Wesson, four. Sedona Wesson to Marsh a wasn to and Jada Wesson one each had been shot through the eye. The bodies were slumped on the ground in the bedroom. And the walls were lined with ten antique coffins after three decades of rape, and incest, Marcus wasn't rain, as a cult leader was over the murder was described by the mayor of Fresno as the worst mass killing in the city's history at trial, Marcus west public defenders presented the defense that his twenty five year old daughter Sabrina, who's one year old son. Marsha, who was lessons own son, and grandson was killed as well had herself committed the murders. And then subsequently committed suicide, the murder weapon a twenty two caliber handgun was found with her body and Sabrina DNA was also found on the weapon, while it was plausible that wasn't himself did not fire the fatal shots. The jury. Found him guilty. Presumably concluding that he was responsible for the deaths having brainwashed his family into entering into a suicide pact. Marcus Wesson was convicted of nine counts of first degree murder on June. Seventeenth two thousand five and fourteen counts of forcible rape, and the sexual molestation of seven of his daughters, and nieces and was sentenced to death. However, in March of twenty nineteen governor Gavin Newsom issued an executive order, halting executions in California, while he is in office. So for now Marcus Wesson remain safe in San Quentin prison. This has been murder minute for true crime, anytime. Download the murder minute app or follow us on Instagram at murder minute.

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Soul Food

Weekly Energy Boost

50:15 min | 5 d ago

Soul Food

"Good morning everyone. good evening. good afternoon wherever you are. And welcome to this week's weekly energy boost. My name is ellie. Chevelle and i am joined today by both david and bhatia. Who is definitely one of our number one guests and we are here to talk about soul food. This is the second episode in our series on eating nutrition and nourishment. And if you didn't get a chance to hear last week's episode Go back and listen to it. It was it was phenomenal. We keep getting messages about how enlightening it was perfectly timed. It was and as we came to even understand between the three of us last week. Everybody is reactive around food and we want to do what we can to create the best odds in our own lives to be less reactive. And we're gonna talk about what that means. Today specifically focusing on the different energies that foods can give us an how our relationship with food affects the energy that we receive from it. One of the things we talk about in the show in different ways is how we get to decide the narrative we get to we determine whether something is good or bad and food is not outside of that Reality the weekly energy boost is a spiritual seventy seven day spiritual energy forecast. What we've been doing these last. Few months is focusing on the energy of the month. And what's interesting. is that we. The three of us are actually coming out of a fast which is perfectly timed. One of the things that we spoke about was we touched on. We didn't really talk about it in depth last week. Is that Fasting capitalistically has different intentions. And you can actually be nourished by a fast in terms of spiritual energy. So that's one of the things that we were doing last yesterday is we were Abstaining from food and drink for the sake of being nourished from the right place and not the wrong place. And i think that that right and wrong that You know labeling this is good and this is bad is a great place for us to start and then we can get into the different kinds of food groups and what we get from them. You touched on elevating sparks last week. I think we need to talk more about that. And of course having not here is a gift because not only is bipasha Amazing teacher and friend. She is also a fellow human being and has a lot of experience so they tell me with food audit experience. Fortunately i'm too much. Well we're all here to share our different perspectives and of course You know the root of what we're sharing. That's one of the things. I love about having Someone to talk to about this live with with all of you. Listening is that we all have different perspectives and were all basing those perspectives in the same route. Which is the wisdom of kabala the teachings of the zohar the wisdom of the cabalists. But when we hear we hear the same teaching we take three different things from it. And that's one of the things. I love about these conversations. We do not plan it. This is not a scripted. Podcast where genuinely coming to the table literally and figuratively to share. What's worked for us. And what we've learned as a means to help elevate and support everyone who's listening to elevate their consciousness one topic we can start with to kick it off. Is this idea that feelings of anxiety and guilt feelings of anxiety guilt and fear. If any of us feel those feelings can come from our relationship with food and a lot of times. We don't make that association. How i what. I eat my belief system about eating my belief system about good food. Bad food can contribute feed exasperate. The the the feeling zaidi guilt and worry. If you're feeling any of those emotions one thing to to one area one rock to look under is what is my relationship with. And the first thing i'll say and then we can discuss. It is a lot of times. People think that eating a bad food makes me a bad person. That's wrong eating bad food. Does it make you about person when you say bad food. You mean like junk food. Whatever the perceive right so some sometimes people think that's a whole other discussion people have perceptions. Some people might say eating meat is a bad thing so if i eat it i'm about person and some people say no eating meat is a wonderful thing so it all depends on how you define a bad food. Some people call it junk food junk food french fries. What junk food gluten. So however you define bad food and good food. You should know that eating bad food doesn't make you about person nor does eating a good food make you a good person. A good person and that sounds so basic but believe it or not. If i eat like this morning. I know i something i shouldn't have eaten but i go to. I go to. I get my coffee. And there's this healthy food and when that healthy food isn't there. I opt for the unhealthy cookie and i soon as i ate it and it was delicious. I thought to myself just eight about eight about food. And whether i realized it or not something about that makes me feel like why started my day off wrong. I must be a bad person. So all of us have it. And it's a very subconscious. It's very it's very you. Don't notice it but it's there that's one let's start with well. What the thing that came to mind when you were saying that about you know you look at somebody who eats unhealthy and david is saying you know you. You say they're bad or you judge them. Some of us are actually jealous of them jealous of anyone who can eat anything and not gain weight. That's that's i point. Is that we we bring into. I think one of the things we talked about last week is how similar eating a meal is to prayer. And and i think what's interesting about that and bringing it into what we're saying now is that we don't judge people or hopefully we don't judge people for how they pray and we don't judge ourselves. I actually saw the funniest thing on on social media last week somebody Put me said. I really regret that meditation said no one ever right like we don't we. Don't we make these efforts to connect. And i think we judge those efforts much less than we judge our efforts in the material world not realizing that through that judgment were diminishing the light we can reveal. And maybe that's the starting point of today is we're actually meant to reveal light through our food yes well. I'm so glad. I'm on this podcast today as i volunteer to represent all the people who are listening and watching this podcast who have dysfunctional relationship with food. Im your poster child for this episode. I just want to say that. I mean it's so really loaded topic. It's many many layers. I have to be. I wanna really be transparent here. I'm no expert at mastering this at all. So learn from my mistakes or relate to them but my dysfunction with foot it's actually a karmic karmic relationship with food. For example my parents were in the holocaust and my mother practically starve to death when she was a teenager in the holocaust ended actually did exist for those people who ever doubted. Same maniacs but yes it existed. And because of that. She was so scarred that she passed down to us. I believe i we marine coordination of somebody has to in the holocaust myself so so that whole. My mother always walked around with food in her bag. So what do you mean by passed down. How are you. i think. I know what you're talking about when our listeners know how do you pass something. How does a parent pass let you know. Parenting is what am i. Also my side coaching gigs. That but you know parents when a child comes into the world yet. We all have our baggage. And i'm going to dress cabalistic a little later in in in this podcast but we have our we have we come in. We have our own baggage and in one sense and the other sense. We're we're a slate where like a blank slate. And you know how a child when a child falls down the first thing child will do would look at their mother usually. It's the mother and if the mother's freaking out than the child starts crying but if the mother like very calm it's okay. You know kiss. The boob will go get it and they okay. This must this is what it's supposed to look like. I'll do that in my house. Food was a very big issue. We could not leave the table unless we filled our bellies up till we couldn't breathe through. That's a belief system our way of life that your parents educated you on and you're in for example you know. Oh you're said let me make you something to eat or you. Crying eat something. You don't wanna finish the food while you know how many kids are starving in some other part of the world which i could never figure out why my over stuffing myself somehow is helping some child and the starving country but somehow it was that you have to eat it. You can't live of course we can't waste it either. Can't waste it you. Can't you know it's a big deal. I don't And a lot of people just use food objectify food as a short cut or short circuit instead of dealing with what's really going on emotional eating guilty as charged you know just learned a have to unlearn. I'm still learning that. And you know what's even in my chart. Isn't that interesting astrological. In my astrological chart the astrologists said you know you have a little too kunia with food correction direction with food. Yeah sorry about that. Correction with food So correction with food and then later the you know the astrology was saying to be you know What are things to work on is to say no and i said i don't have a problem saying no as anybody who knows me knows i have no problem saying no no no not not with people with food. You have to say no to food which you know restriction which is the name of the game right so restriction with food is actually a karmic Issue that a lot of people don't even realize you don't realize you inherit a we inherit these issues. It's not just that just showed up. You know mcdonalds opened up or some you know fast. Food play Became so popular or you know. Instant meals became so popular. All of these is like no restriction restriction equals a lot of ill health and a lot of other issues where with food you know is really our opportunity to practice restriction i want i want to clarify couple that you just said when we say the word restriction. I'm going to say we're going to go on to tell me what you're such a powerful word. Yeah unhappy used it. And if you're listening for the first time when we say restriction sometimes people confuse it with suppression right. we're talking about overcoming my need for instant gratification. Right by the simplest way to put it. Here's how i would. I how. I explained restriction i can afford restrictions. I can afford to wait. I can afford to share. I can afford not to react in this moment. I can afford because the opposite of restriction is of. I don't have this energy right now. I'm gonna die if i don't eat that cookie right now. I'm going to die. Either by boyfriend broke up with me. I'm gonna sit there and binge watch on you know something. And i'm gonna eat my bonbons and i'm gonna like that like that's how i'm going to get through the night the opposite of as i can afford not to. I can afford to breathe through it. I can afford to meditate. I can afford to ask myself questions like what what's going on with me and you know it's been very helpful if you one of those people you know i've i have found in the past Like i'll be eleven o'clock at night. I'm eating potato chips. Wait a second. I didn't come home and plan to eat potato chips. Why am i suddenly eating potato chips. Eleven o'clock at night. And if i stop and again. I can afford to check in with myself restrict. Oh wait a minute. I got triggered emotionally about fifteen minutes ago in. It didn't register. But i'm on automatic pilot. So i just grabbed the bag of potato chips to to shift being out of that that mood and and so it acted as a an addiction. That's like that's like the what addiction looks like. I don't wanna deal. I can't deal i need. I can deal. But i don't wanna deal and i have to have this energy right now some other form and then you know not realizing the long term damage of it. I don't hog the no. This is good. This is good. I want to elaborate on the word of ford. I love this word and the reason why people are writing in the chance that they love. This word is because it's very spiritual you're seeing afford means. I'm letting go of something now but i'm getting something bigger exact suppression means. I'm just letting go of something. And i have to punish myself suppression is not letting go of anything. It just looked like it had a smile on my face. But i wanna rip you throw suppression. That's not afford means. I am living. I'm paying something now. But i'm getting something of higher value and cabalistic we. What we're always saying is don't suffer. The name of the game is not the punish not to suffer. Re religion has flipped out on its head and made it made it about that but in kabbalah everything that we do is to receive more nevertheless exactly and if everything see everything. Receive everything right. So is that just more of what you have. But if you're not getting everything if you're these meditating on everything you are settling for less And that's sin is thinking. You can't have everything so so i wanna share with you something that i learned that i thought was really profound and then you can go back to doing whatever i feel like i'm sitting. I'm a listener today. I love this. The one of the things one of the questions that the capitalist ask appropriate the word the word sin made me think of it is that we we all are familiar with the original sin right. What adam and eve when Experienced and the capitalist ask the question why is it centered around food. Think about that for a second. Why what was it the first bite we talk about the first by and there's a whole discussion also among the cabalists of what kind of fruit was it. I think art has has Corrupted corrupted it into we just assume it was an apple. There's a whole discussion about what it really was. But everybody agrees it was around food. And what uproxx okay. But that's and they're related. They're related right but we're here to talk to them all the food. That's another episode. That didn't sound right invading another episode for sex. That's not what you meant but the point is within our spiritual dna. There is a struggle to accept a balanced relationship with food. Our first capella teaches that we were all one. So we were all a part of that. that intelligence called adam and eve and therefore we are all programmed with their spiritual dna so the creator told us not to eat from that. The original parent told the original child. Don't touch the cookies in the cookie jar essentially and we didn't listen so in a way where we're created with a challenging relationship with food in the same way that being to reference. What about you said. We're also we also have a challenging relationship with our bodies and sexuality and healthy desire but it goes both ways. It's both with food and physicality in our bodies and therefore one of the most powerful ways. We've been empowered with to connect with spiritual energy is through eating and that's why it's so challenging for us to have a healthy mindful I might even use the word peaceful peaceful meaning the opposite of struggle right. Most people have a struggle with food. Whether it's this doesn't agree with me. And i want to share one more quick thing about it and i'm thinking about it. Would you know most people have things. They can't eat most things they wished they could eat. There's things they're not allowed to eat. There's the food that they save for. When they're being bad right. I remember in the eighties. Art teacher rothberg gave a lecture and said that He read it in a magazine earlier in the week that they finally discovered a A way to keep cows lactating without them getting pregnant again so before in the olden days in order for a cow to milk they needed to have babies which is the natural way that milk is produced in the eighties. They discovered a way to not need the cows to get pregnant just to keep them lactating infinitely so the rub said. Wow it's amazing you know. Think about how much more money and how much more efficient. And but nobody's asking the question. What twenty years from now. What's the quality of that milkin abi and think about it. Who isn't lactose intolerant. Now right what happened to the milk. So part of the the reason. I'm bringing this up is first of all. Our teacher was a visionary and had the foresight to ask those kind of long term questions where there was no restriction there in in creating that. I don't know if it was a medication or some sort of system that allowed the in enabled the cows to not need to conceive to lactate but the bigger picture is. What kind of damage are we doing. We're interfering with nature and you can say that about the vegetables the grains that we eat now you can say that about the the meat you know so much done to animals to fatten them up to keep them Unhealthily robust for four than the slaughter and bringing it into the supermarkets and whatnot. But we're not really thinking about the consequences and think one of the things that's also important is to realize that if we go back to the original use of food which was to connect with spiritual energy to elevate sparks one of the things that we have to do and i think that's one of the reasons why people have gone back to gardening and and using local farms and things like that because that's the closest that we can get now to the original way that food and agriculture was meant to be handled with that continuity with that Respect for the respects. That's the word. Respect even goes deeper than that you know in the time of the temple when the when the world was in balance when the temples were a functioning the way they meant to explain richmond by the temple in the two thousands of years ago educate the crowd. There was a there was a communication system and there was a system of receiving and sharing energy and a very balanced way through the use of what's called the temple. I'm sure you've heard of the temple in jerusalem my talking about it from a religious point of view. I'm talking about it. From an energetic point of view there would be people call the priests than they would end the levi's and they would receive people's sacrifices and offerings and they would come for redemption of their soul redemption if they had a short circuit if there was an imbalance and they would create a balanced against something. This world is very out of is ballots. And it's funny because it was all around food so they would bring. Let's say barley cakes with salt or they would bring You know a a an animal for sacrifice etcetera and so forth. But what's really interesting about all of that if you don't really have you don't study kabbalah. You couldn't miss the whole thing first of all it. Sounds like it's so irrelevant and so barbaric in today's times. Although what we do animals. I'd say today is extremely barbaric. But it's another compensation for another time anyway. Going back to the time of the temple where the whole purpose was restoring balance. Is that what. If you paid attention they would bring a sacrifice in offering of some sort of food salt grains animals for the purpose of consumption. And the reason why the cabalists say they did. That is because what we went haven't introduced yet into this. Subject is the fact that everything has spirit everything has energy in it souls incarnate into the vegetable kingdom into the mineral kingdom into the animal kingdom and the purpose of eating food with consciousness is all about elevating those sparks of those souls because and then when we consume them and we're making a blessing. We're preparing ourselves energetically spiritually to release if there is a soul to release that soul to its next kingdom to its next level so eating is actually an act of sharing and in that sharing because it's always the healing always is through sharing in that action of sharing is how we we create a win win scenario for us and whoever we have a karmic relationship with that comes to our table to our lips were drinking water where we're putting some salt on our food. We're having a You know an impossible burger whatever it is or or or salad or a beautiful steak and we don't think about wait a minute. That could be my uncle bob. They're saying now bob's your uncle. Bob might even be your kidney for everyone's on calls bob everybody's uncle buck but as seriously so it's this beautiful action of sharing and together and creating that balance something we've really lost along the way and then because we lost that connection people feel free to play with the food genetically modified. You know weet isn't what it used to be. Now you know you can't even get real wheat anymore Such corruption hopefully one day. Very soon we're going to go back to this state of balance with food with with this and with his podcast you know feel freely. Share it with your friends. It's such an important subject because it really just takes a second like this. Just make a new decision from this moment forward. I'm going to establish a more spiritual connection we even with my ice cream. Oh bonbons whatever. It is your pizza. Whatever you're having to look at it from the cliche thing you eat when you're sad that we used to say about twenty five years ago people sell bon-bons anymore. Yes of course they do. Well you don't go to that section. Obviously you're saying it's not a whole. Yes i'm in along the airline my apologies. I don't want anybody over there bigger than the size too. But i'm talking about my crowd here. My peeps we still you know you know what i'm getting interrupted. My i thought. Did they know you though not suppress okay anyway. What i was saying is that It's about reestablishing our connection and restriction. Right we would talk about research. I can afford. You know if you this is something. I haven't mastered yet so wouldn't be really transparent about it but i have read in so many sources when it comes to relationship with food that people david. I'm sure you could be around in this. You probably chew your food very slowly and you chew it a lot don't you. This is what. I've been reminded of doing every moment of my day. Yes yes and i keep forgetting. Every moment of my day. I think riding on my palm. Chew your food because it's so important. The chewing of the food is the restriction when just chewing food till it becomes liquid is the restriction. Something that if you really want to shift your It's you have to chew. And i constantly forget because this is through facebook threat. I was in a group yesterday. And uh someone posted about their children and constipation and why this child like how to become a regular and is there a vitamin use this to us that and then some one of the moms put up What really helps. My child is teaching. Choose food more and more because your your stomach doesn't have teeth and mom's on crazy over this because they said oh my god you know. We're thinking i gotta give him this. I don't know what's called. Miramax mir mocks some some kind of some kind of pharmaceutical thing give laxative or more fiber or more this and it's a great point. Someone just said institute a little bit more restriction which is the mouth pausing chewing actually made their child more regular. Yes really powerful. anybody here. Who has constipation issue any kind of digested any kind of digestive issues. And you're looking for that amazing probiotic before you even get their realized that there is a spiritual tool which is a physical tool which is chewing also time to things chewing time. I- scarfed my food down. Today we're all encouraged to scarf our food down while the fast food. you know. Drive by have burger while you're driving and a shake whatever going through a busy day we don't have time to eat and truly if we want to create a healthy relationship with food just like any healthy relationship with someone you care about. You have to make the time. Set the time aside to really give yourself a chance to eat slowly and shoe and you realize wow i just scarf down three burgers with I was really full on the half of the first burger but we didn't take the digestive system like twenty minutes to catch up So i like. I say i am not an expert at this is certainly have not mastered this cher. This journey with me. Hi invite you on. Let's let's cheer each other on help each other to chew our food take our time. Here's an interesting thought. I was gonna say food for thought on the to cliche. What th there. It's understood that when you combine different types of foods. So let's say some meat carved some fruit. You create a traffic jam in the stomach and the colon is. This is the whole premise. Behind food combining because it takes. Let's say a meet six hours to digest. It takes carbs two to four and it takes i fifteen minutes jam altogether together. You got traffic jam. Some cars moving faster than others. Now i just thought about something powerful. You talk about the kingdom's you talk about. You realize when you combining different kingdoms and your colon you're creating some kind of a spiritual mishmash of sparks being elevated one kingdom to another. Because if i eat a piece of fruit which is An inanimate objects veg the second kingdom vegetable kingdom the purpose of eating that apple. Is you elevate the spark of light or even the sole. That's in that. Our souls trapped in these in these fruits to the next kingdom which would be logically the animal kingdom. But if i'm eating let's say a piece of steak with tomato sauce. I'm not combined two kingdoms. So you got these elevation souls happening. And i'm curious i don't. I don't think campus wrote about this. But i'm curious if that is why there is indigestion because this is all me just opining upon this spiritual concept and. I'm not basing this on anything i've read in the zohar. It's just an interesting thought that when you eat food kingdoms by itself you feel better. It's easy exit goes in now. Doesn't create the all this gas pressure in all this mess in your stomach when you don't combine kingdoms. I think that's pretty fascinating low. You don't combine meat and dairy a whole nother. That's a whole another topic of energies. I'm just saying kingdoms digest differently in your stomach. But i think it's important to you. Know everybody is is empowered to make their own choices. But i think it is important to explore that for example when when you eat an animal product not dairy. But meet whether it's doesn't really the only animal i think that's exempt from this category as fish. But what it does is it that even the spiritual energy in those poultry beef etcetera. That's feeding the what we call the animalistic self so some people need that right. That's one of the things that we were talking about. How the cabalists knew how to balance their energy with food is that if a person was too passive to Not able to speak for themselves not desiring to anything for that matter to succeed to move forward to to achieve accomplish eating more of those things might support them to have more zest for life to have more energy of life because they're ingesting things that live that lived when a person has a for example dairy products rate the think about even the colors rave flesh. I'm sorry from grossing anybody out. Fleshes red milk products. Dairy products are white and capitalistically. The white represents sharing the originally. I should go back to what i said before. Originally milk was created from childbirth. I mean giving fourth life so being able to lactate was a result of creating life so there was an energy of continuity of sharing of caring. And so that's the energy that originally dairy products ad and then you have the the greens the the vegetable kingdom things that grow from the ground that have completely different energy. that's much more balanced. And that's actually going to the food combining theory. You can combine vegetables with either proteins or or carbs and it works but when you bring in sugars rate the fruits like you said it digest so quickly. It's like fermenting the food. The food doesn't actually get to digest so there is that balancing that idea of distinguishing well. When i'm combining different foods on my plate i'm actually combining different energies. And are these the energies that i want i did. The food combining for very long time and felt great. It just requires a lot of discipline. A lot of restriction and a lot of forethought into what i'm doing now and what. I'm what i'm going to do later planning ahead. So i guess in Somewhere in the mix. I lost a little bit of that Control in me. But i can tell you. There were catalysts for example. And we david. I really wanted you to talk about elevating sparks because we talk about it. It's it's captivating and compelling but they're capitalists that for example didn't eat Meat on any day wasn't a spiritually elevated day. Choose the most elevated day of the week and that would be the day that they would eat meat because they knew that then they could. They were guaranteed to elevate the spark inside these. It's harder to elevate a spark from an animal than it is from the vegetable kingdom or the mental right. It's harder it's like. It's a heavier piece of soul. So it's harder to elevate and they would. They would reserve eating those kinds of meals for days. That were more spiritually elevated so that they would be able to more easily. Elevate those sparks and this is so powerful. Because when you hear this you're like wait. That's what they're thinking about. When i'm going to eat piece of steak. I'm not thinking about all right. I wanna make sure it's eaten at the right time in the right data. Elevate that spark. Because that's what's good for the spiritual framework of the world and again my soul people. Don't think that way. And that's why they don't elevate the sparks that's elevate the spark and what we're teaching with. Kabbalah is there's a whole new way of living your life that is not about just feeding my desires there's a whole nother world. That's happening that we don't realize and when we are living by the rules of that world and were conscious of that world gates open fulfillment comes and miracles occur in ways that that that we've never experienced before when people come to kabbalah one that i just learning life hacks of how to make more money or life. Hacks have how to find their soulmate. Initially that's why they think they're there and they do get those they do get those hacks so to speak but ultimately realize wait a minute. There's a whole new way of living life. Which is much bigger than anything i've experienced so far in my life and and this is along that topic of what we're talking about which is learning these rules a whole nother spiritual world and to become familiar with it the same way that you're subject to gravity whether you believe in it or not we understand that were subject to these rules whether or not we know them or not and i think what a lotta people find they learn. These rules is than they understand why things played out the way they did in the past. Because we didn't know xyz happened and now that we know we can work harder and be more mindful of the choices that were making something practical to pivot for most of the practice that i share with students. When they are looking for more fulfillment or to remove a blockage in their lives. You you brought up the sin of adam that had to do with food and why didn't have with food and the zohar teaches that area. That's hardest for person to correct always is to areas. It's anything that has to do with the mouth and anything that has to with the sexual oregon so the mouth is food and speech. So it's very hard. It's very hard to control. We say and to control what we eaten. Even if i know what i need to do is very hard and then the sexual energy even though a person knows what's right and what's wrong. Let's say sometimes that the urges and desires caused them to be impulsive and ruined their lives. So why is it so hard in these two areas so those are explained that these are the two areas that create and sustain life right elbow. What is your elbow doesn't do. Any elbow doesn't create or sustain life. It's an elbow but the sexual organ in the mouth are both responsible for keeping you alive or creating new life so there's so much energy that's actually where you become god. So it's like atomic its atomic energy in your mouth and your sexual oregon. So the negative side is very strong in those two areas and constantly trying to get people to be reactive and impulsive in those two areas. And when i talked to two men or women and looking for a breakthrough. I say well. Let's just focus on these two areas. The people asking for business advice. I'm like well tell me what's going on in the sex life and in the food and if we can bring that into kabala about the money oh teach me how to how to create a product. Line all right well. Here's what you do high using your mouth eating your food. Wait what did i gotta do. Anything control these two areas and you control the world not repress these two areas. That's i think that people diets don't work right there. The that the the awareness that we're to bring is that by knowing that there is a tendency to do this or that right right you can have. It can be either extreme. I talked too much. I don't talk enough. I use my words to build. I use my words to destroy i. There's so many people think. Well i'm celebrate so i'm okay. That's not necessarily the answer. Either the point is balanced and part of our relationship with food and we use. I actually one of the things. I wanted to talk about today. If not we'll save it for next week is actually using food as a tool to reveal spiritual light. It's not just. I need it. Therefore i consume it and hopefully i'm consuming the right stuff. It's there are certain opportunities that food acts as a vehicle and if we don't eat it in that particular window in time where that moment we're missing an opportunity to reveal the light it's beautiful. It's beautiful one of the questions we have cut. We didn't talk about the fish. So fisher in a different category. That's why i didn't. I didn't pile it with The poultry and the meat and other animals Fisher of in a very special category according to kabbalah there it's more related to dairy products. Because it's it has fisher constantly surrounded by water. So they're almost in a merciful. It's it's like they're between the physical reality in the spiritual reality right. So they're they're here. They're alive but they're not really subject to gravity the way we are they're not really subject to Even whether the way that they're they're they're in the land so fish Obviously biologically considered a protein but the energy that it has is much more elevated light spiritual. Right you're going to be hungry sooner after you eat fish than you are after you eat mistake. Because it also is lighter in the body and has a lighter energy in it and it's often More elevated with the capitalist teaches that those souls that are just at the end of their correction process so maybe that only has one more thing to correct before they no longer needs incarnate again. They'll they'll incarnate. In a fish and live their life as opposed to coming back in form have to go through a whole life cycle. Exactly exactly so the fish. I it is in its own. Weird limbo category capitalistically and energetically speaking. But there's no You know not the same restroom. Not the same impact. Let's say as the steak or the Turkey we should know that if the fish is appearing in front of us to eat right. If i'm meant to eat and it's on my plate. We can meditate that. There is a powerful spark of or power for soul that through conscious eating we elevate that soul and it becomes almost like a guardian angel to us. Well that's that's an important thing did mention in general. What can we do. What can our what should our. I don't like the word should. What can our consciousness be when we eat so that we get the maximum spiritual benefit from. What's on the so what is conscious eating. Essentially we say one two or three things that people can keep in mind for conscious eating. What would it be. We already said sure that. Chew it and meditate on elevating the sparks of light through the teeth grinding. Actually elevating the spark of light. So you know capitalistically we know. This is the purpose of blessings when we bless our food. We're injecting gratitude in gratitude is one of the highest consciousness. You could have so by injecting this a There's a story of a cabinet in the student than the both eating an apple and the cabalists that to the student. You know the difference between you and i You're saying blessing so you could eat the apple. I'm eating the apple. So i could say the blessing and other i wanna connect to that higher energy So before you eat tuna sandwich stop for moment. Be grateful have gratitude if there is a sole whatever souls whatever sparks of souls or light or in this food may i have the mirror to elevate that if you know the blessings you know the blessings but if not it's not about the Learning suddenly learning Particular language it's about and more importantly the concept behind it. Somebody could just mumble a few words because they know what wrote but that doesn't have the consciousness behind it so the conscious behind it. The gratefulness of being a co-creator is you are about to become one. With whatever you're ingesting and to elevate those those sparks so when we take the time to do that food becomes our servant. Food becomes our support system. When we don't do that the food actually can attack us and it says in zoar by the way food is medicine for the body until a person overeats then the food attacks the body. So it's everything we know. It always comes back to the same thing everything in balance. If you want to have a prosperous relationship with your food it begins with first of all gratitude that it's showing of you. There is no accidents in the universe. If there's a spark of light in that food it's meant for you and only you to be the one to have the opportunity to activate your own level your consciousness through gratitude as you meditate on elevating those sparks chewing slowly adding restriction around. Like i could afford to wait. I could afford to take twenty five to twenty five more times before. I swallow it. I i think you know if anything just today. Start practicing and see the difference. And i'm sure you know as you notice the difference. Please make sure that you you let us know And send an email or To the weekly energy boosts people people to shove they For me because i'm merely that salman kabbalah dot com and to hear from you appreciation regardless of what your language is just saying. Thank you is a great start to elevate the spark of life by the way i think david even before the thank. You is what you said before that the way. It doesn't matter if it's a fish or chicken or a cow or an apple. What the food that you're about to eat is in your hand or on your plate for reason. It chose you so connecting with food. We talked about that last week. You know recognizing we're ordering off the menu manuals ordering wide you. Suddenly caesar salad. Whoever says that the truth. I actually do i love. I love salads but most people they have such a craving for a burger right now. We're a pizza right now. and yes. it may be consciously driven by a sensation. You feel in your body or you think you feel in your body but know that the pizza that gets delivered to you or the chicken nuggets that your e whatever it is right the granola bar revealing our diets. I don't eat chicken either so it's totally fabricated okay. But actually. That's a really great example. I am allergic to chicken. Why am i allergic to chicken. I don't know but what i know. Is that there are some thing in the energy around that particular food. I cannot eat it. And i have. I crave it. Sometimes i miss it. But i know in that moment that i eat it. I'm going to deeply regret it and so for the last. It's been twenty years. I have not eaten chicken now. What i can learn from that on a spiritual level is that whatever energy intelligence that product has. And i'm using the word product but i mean it's an energy intelligence. It's not going to serve me. The fact that my body has an adverse reaction to it also tells me that there is a spiritually adverse reaction taking place in it and before we go. We have to talk about drinking by the way we didn't talk about drinking. And we're not gonna have a separate episode about drinking so we need to talk about that in the last thirty seconds that we have you guys want to forty second version. That i'm any any twenty-second consciousness. You wanna throw in before we do the drinking a so many ways to put it. I i came to my mind. Is zara talks about wine. Alcohol falls into that is a intended to draw energy. And so if it's used in it can be used in a destructive way or it can be used in a in a way that brings joy and happiness and practically. I'll say there's that moment where we cross that line and we drink to the point. That creates silliness. Come a clown. We lose control now. We've invited the dark side. The negative forces start to cling to a person who crosses that barrier and a person who stays right under that barrier. And it's more about joy being open being social while still having my boundaries in my sanity that person draws the positive forces into their life and enhance their life. I think in general whether you're looking at wine or any alcohol. The capitalists use it again for elevating not worth in moderation right. I think it's it's. It's a big anything that's going to reveal a tremendous amount of light and light when it's revealed in an unbridled way can be destruct destructive so the glass of wine or the we you know the i i don't wanna say shot. You know the the cavaliers were they would do a shot and they would leave it at that. That's my point that it's it's more about bringing a little levity getting a little light and then being able to say i'm doing it only for that sake and not because i'm running away. I'm escaping. i need to disconnect or any of the other reasons that someone might drink. I want to point something out though you know that okay. I'm sure the listeners. Do not know me do not know me that. Well but i'm i i have a. I'm learning about wine tasting right the whole wine thing and you know that you have before you drink the wine you have to look at it then you have to smell it then you have to drink it but you can only take a tiny sip. There's a limit in order for you to get the real whatever the winemaker wanted you to get. That's how you're supposed to drink the wine. You're not supposed to have two glasses or bottles you're supposed to have. It's really like less than an ounce in order to get what you're what the intention of the artist was. And i think that that's something like going back to what you've both of you have been sharing is that it's really the the first of all the entire body eats and back when adam and eve were roaming wherever they were roaming they would eat. There is right. that's another i think. Another one of the limitations that we have in this physical realm is that our senses are limited and they limit us and at the same time we can use our senses to have a more powerful connection with our food can make one point please so the word alcohol actually comes from the arabic word algal which means spirits. When a person over indulges in the alcohol all these negative entities will come and they will. It's like the if they put a neon sign on their body that says open house. Come on in. And when a person has too much alcohol spirits come and take over and actually kicked the soul out of the body which is white people have blackouts so you study so really when you drop in some knowledge. Plenty more where that came from. Sun served there for the last twenty seconds. I show so be careful when you do in Drink some alcohol. You know that when a person starts to get drunk. That's too much you're out of balance if you take a shot and you feel good and you feel relaxed great and you're doing it for the sake of elevating for happiness for whatever sharing this way in the kabbalah center we we drink. When we drink alcohol we always share. We say the high meat we give a injecting sharing energy into it have a little bit relaxing. It's good you hit the mark but when it's used some any other purpose just remember it comes with a whole other box of side effects there that you just don't really wanna get instant. I think it goes back to batches original point and maybe we'll end it there and continue the conversation next week. Is that like like a child who who is not allowed to have any sugar. The moment they leave the house they're gonna live on a vending machine right right. That's that i. I know kids like that when we were younger. And the the abstinence right. The extreme repression is exactly that it's repression. The cab enforced that idea of balance. Nobody's saying don't have drink. Nobody's saying don't have a piece of cake what we're saying. Is that the the drink or the cake can't control. You can't take over you because there's ramifications to his point we don't even see we don't we don't realize what we're exposing ourselves to or what we're what we're canceling out in the way that we're consuming and what we're consuming. There was a lot there. You may have to listen to this episode a couple times to get all of those juicy nuggets. Thank you both for being here all my pleasure. We're we're both. We're all very serious about food and drink and as you can see now it's more than just for nutrition it's for elevation. it's for energy spiritual energy and also for allocation of consciousness. So hopefully you guys got a lot out of it next week. We're gonna talk about spiritual weight loss where we're going to have marcus west and on the show. I feel that having to extremely skinny people on either side of me is going to help. Bring out the best of the knowledge that i have about the subject Thank you guys for joining us. Please continue to send in your questions to share to rate and review and if you have any questions that that you don't feel comfortable putting out there on social media you can always email us at energy boost at cabal dot com. We'll see you next week on the weekly energy boost drink.

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Wednesday 27 November

Monocle 24: The Briefing

58:08 min | 1 year ago

Wednesday 27 November

"You are listening to the briefing first broadcast on the twenty seven th November two thousand and nineteen on monocle twenty four. The briefing is brought to you in partnership with Rolex six Halo. Welcome to the briefing coming to you. Live from studio one here at Midori House in London. I'm Markus Hippie. Coming up Germany. Many Socialists are beginning the process of electing a new leader. We law squatted means for the country's fragile political coalition. Also heads hits on Today's program. Good man is going to be the prime minister of the UK now or Jackson. Good man the stuff that he's smart this a Briton trump. They call them Brennan trump and his people are saying. That's a good thing it's the. US Republicans Britain conservatives take have lost their minds in recent years. But is there departure from the center. Ground somehow connected we'll also have around up from the Balkans welcomes the day's business headline spans monocle. Josh winners will take US inside our new edition of the forecast all that bright here on the briefing reffing with me. Markus Germany's oldest political party. The SPD will elected. It's new CO leaders. At the weekend the vote will also only have huge implications for the embattled Social Democrats but is also oh determine whether the parties fragile coalition with. I'm GONNA MERCKEL CD USA Vives. I'm joined for more on this by Quentin Peel. Who spent a number of years us the FDA spooning correspondent? Thanks for coming in Quentin. So how much is at stake here. Who allowed Because if the left-wing couple apple in the battle for the leadership of the SPD's that's no but valuable Yan sent his partner Saskia Ceska Eskin if they win they've been very critical of the grand coalition and they haven't said they would walk out but they'd certainly make life quite right difficult for Angela Merkel. That said nobody wants an election at the moment particularly the SPD's which is looking very weak in the polls so it's GonNa be a very difficult balancing act and it's very tight. This is too close to call the result. So how divisive exactly as the idea of the grand coalition with the CD you being within Venus Party. Well it's done what it set out to do but it's been a very lacklustre sort of government and it's the very much colored by these two major events hanging Everett one the fact that the SPD's has gone through months and months of trying to choose a leader and at the same time angle. America we all know is not going to serve again as chancellor so there is a leadership tension tension building up in her own party and so the two sides of this grand coalition have been rather drifting and watching nervously as the Greens. Greene's become the second most powerful party in the country now running well ahead of the SPD and the foul rights alternative for DOJ land which did before very well in the polls in eastern Germany in the last couple of months. So what do you expect to then From some today that's when the SPD's lex new leader so so well. I think the odds slightly on the traditionalist the centrist. That's to say Olaf Scholz the current vice chancellor whose finance minister and his Co leader run. A cloud gave its who comes from the east from Brandenburg. And and so they represent this east-west balance and they represent really the said the traditional center of the party but then not very the exciting. I mean Olaf Scholz is is seen as rather leaden rather dull they call him the showed so matt And he he he he just went set things alight and so. I think that there's very much the youth wing of the Party. The radicals and the party would like to see a more left left wing leadership whether it actually is the answer to the. SPD's dilemma is unclear. Because really they're running way back in the polls fourteen thirteen thirteen twelve percent compared with green. So are up over twenty percent now. It's as if the Greens taking over as the real force on the left. What do you think the alternative saw left if two then for the spat? How can they actually win? More support. Nationwide well I think that they would probably be unwise to swing. Too hard left left what they need to do where they weakness really lies his one. They've never managed to really build up supporting the old East Germany that they're the Lincoln The former Communist Party of kept to significant presence and the SPD's won't do business with and they really sort of at daggers. Drawn the the other parts of the country where the SP is pretty. Weak is down in the south in wealthy Bavaria and baden-wuerttemberg now suss gaskin. It comes from Baden-wuerttemberg. She's the the the left-wing CO leader candid it And she might bring a bit more support down on that but that's really the SPD's needs to have a vision and it doesn't seem to have a vision so who are the most loyal voters us off the spat who who are the ones who've been keeping the party. Where is the moment? Well the truth. Is that like the Labor Party. In Britain this is a party party. That was very strongly founded on the trade union movement and the trade unions are not as strong as they were the traditional left-wing voters an. Ah I think that's the dilemma. That the real traditional voters have gradually drifted away. They've drifted as I said to the Greens they've some of them have actually drifted across to the right and the party ever since the last time. They were in power with Guichard as the chancellor he was very much a sort of light. Tony Blair Third Way Social Democrat. They rather lost their identity. They also seen as having if you betrayed their base by introducing quite radical welfare payment reforms. And those actually Chile also upset the bay so they've they've been caught in the middle and serving in grand coalitions with Angola Moco has done them no favours now this grand coalition between the ESPN and the CD. You do think it will first of all survive. This weekend's vote and what happens if it doesn't well I think it will and I. I think it will for quite cynical reason that neither of the CD you know the SPD wants an early election. Both of them would be quite worried that they'd be hammered in it And they would see a growth of the other parties the Greens the AFC. And so on. So I think that cynicism will force them together even if the left-wing left-wing pair were to win the SPCA election but he won't be comfortable. It won't be easy and I think that it may well collapse in the next twelve months months rather than serve at the full term Quentin Peel. Thank you very much for joining us onto now with a look at the day's headlines here is Monaco's Janaka Fan. Thanks Wchs Marcus. US Congress has invited president. Donald trump to its first impeachment. Hearing at the beginning of next month the Democratic Chair of the House Judiciary Committee Jerrold Jerrold. Nadler set. That trump could either attend the session or stop complaining about process an official at honks poly technic. University says the no protesters. There's remain on the campus it signals. The end of a dramatic siege does so anti-government demonstrators barricade themselves on college grounds to siege has been one of the defining moments of the protests in Hong Kong and today's monocle minute reports. That Netflix has signed a lease to reopened a story. Paris theater in New York Orc to cinema I welcomed guests in nineteen forty eight and a streaming giant says that it is the city's last remaining single screen cinema. If you'd like more on the story hint over to monocled dot com slash minute does today's headlines back to you. Marcus thank you very much yolene. Let's not get to the dais. Latest business has headlines. I'm joined on the line by Bloomberg's urine pots the owner of Manchester. CTO sold a stake in the club for five hundred million dollars dollars U. N. Y.. Interest how lamarcus yes. US private equity firm Silverlake has bought ten percents of the company which owns Manchester Ct.. Football Cup the price tag is five hundred billion dollars that puts evaluation on the group of just under five billion dollars now one of the highest ever price hikes for or professional sports organization. It's a pretty hefty price tag for football team back in the old days it used to be entrepreneurs and businessmen a sunk a lot of money into football clubs as sort of vanity project. They were pretty good way to lose cash but now investors starting to look more closely at football clubs loves particularly the British primarily English premier league and now well the big clubs. Doing most of their money from Brooke writes merchandising. They're also looking at ways to use use technology to sell privilege to access the fans. They have a very powerful brand particularly the English Premier League in Asia very popular now l.. Sylvan lakes best known for its tech. Investments we instinct to see if they can use some of their tech expertise to help leverage some of that value. But it's pretty not yet tricky path for the football clubs. They've got treads careful. Line between offering stuff to entice fans but without upsetting the the elites which bring them the TV revenue of course where the bulk of their money comes from so interesting path for the clubs to fully definitely ends in other news. Luke from one of the world's biggest tobacco companies still more the company which owns lucky lucky strike cigarettes than many other brands. British American Tobacco's lowered its outlook for full year. Self sales growth. It's not about tobacco this is all to do with vaping. Now the problem with the vaping is twofold for the tobacco companies firstly then engaged an rather expensive land grab in the US currently companies offering starter kits price as low as a dollar as they try to become the dominant players in the rapidly expanding baby market but also Some concerns about regulatory relates oversight. There's been outbreak. I'm sure you've heard of a mysterious illness. Fate linked to vaping growing concerns about teenagers adoption of the practice that bring two thousand cases of this mysterious lenses and forty seven deaths reported in the US related to vaping so a lot lot of concern about what's happening with the president trump. Also saying that he's considering increasing the age applying vaping products to twenty one. Bat Saint say that sales growth from these new products will be at the lower end of its forced focused. Range of thirty to fifty. Percents are still a lot of growth in vaping but not quite as much as has. Bat was previously predicting a thank you very much. That was Bloomberg's you're imports. It's twelve twelve here in London. You're listening to the briefing on Monaco. Tony Femme Tom. MONOCLE and Rolex. Bring you the pioneers. The pioneers is a brand new series. That tells the stories of people improving the planet. A heroic supports these innovators with whom they share a passion to safeguard in the F- if future generations gain precious insight into the fresh thinking that is disrupting received wisdom for the better and learn in how Phyllis action continues to be the crucial driver of change. The Pioneers in partnership with Rolex. Welcome back you're listening to the briefing on monocle twenty four. Let's get more on the day's other news stories now with colonial opponent who is managing editor of the Institute for war and Peace Reporting and Mary Joseph Ski Writer for the Independent and The Guardian. Welcome to the program. Graham first today after stuttering start also Lafond Alliance. European Commission is set to begin work on the first of December. That is a month late. Eight issues arose around. A few of the candidates initially fielded for the work. UK Prime Minister. Boris Johnson has to drag tease fees. boozing anyone forward while the European Parliament rejected candidates from France Romania and Hungary von Der Lion also attracted some heat for. Oh her joyce of job titles. She was forced to change the promoting our European way of life departments to promoting the European way way of life on the grounds that the former sounded a bit fascist. Mary how has Yvonne de la in in European calibrate Atocha mission. What what has changed changed? Well I think quite a lot has changed actually more in terms of the shape of it in that the seems to be quite a clear precedence. The the three very senior commissioners and then there's another and elaborate load that So in a way it looks slightly more rationally. Organize them before. But of course that risks offending quite a lot of people who find themselves not in the top three Because and one of the principles as I understand it if the European Commission is that every member has a commissioner and they have a certain responsibility which of course has become much more difficult as as the EU has expanded Nonetheless that there should be sort of feeling of equality the everybody Being an equal member of the EU and It may be that if that's been lost. If sufficient people feel that it's been lost than it could come. I'm back to haunt us. Van Lion in the sense that she may find things more difficult to manage. It is indeed difficult balancing acts taking into account in all the member states. What is European? How well US resolve succeeded in in in creating this new commission? I don't think there's any the can be anything apart from bureaucratic hot mess really by its very nature. Say Just it's about minimising that Going forward She seems extremely capable. figure And perhaps now statistically I can't really very far beyond Brexit is being the major challenge the whites hat and From the comes from a defense background and it seems she Is going to play a large role in this endless debate. About Europe's joint military pop policy or tabloid newspapers like put it the European Army Marielle which personalities formerly and able to bring to the role of a commission precedents. Well I think she. I think there was a lot of ill feeling that surrounded surrounded a lot of resentment when she I took the job because she was in a in a way parachuted in and there were people who felt they got a better. I took You're more entitled to more qualified for that job. She came from being a defense minister in Germany and had been seen I mean at some point as a possible successor to Angela Merkel That didn't pan out either And I have to say that I've been Maybe slightly less admiring than Dunya of was lavender. Lions Capabilities But she has got a commission together And so far at least she hasn't made too much of a fuss about the absent British Commissioner Which I think is one of the one of it is an interesting question because according to the letter of the law the British should have nominated a commission But I think there were tuten. Boris this Johnson says the reason he hasn't nominated one is because of the election. Everything INS purred or all. Those sorts of appointments are in suspension for the duration of the election action campaign. I think there's actually more to it than that Because I think that he may have felt that if he'd nominated a commissioner for the UK Whether or not we end up with brexit being actually done on the thirty first of January it would look as though Oh there was a possibility of the UK carrying on And I think that's something. He very very much wanted to avoid during the campaign. So Bizarre Loyd sprigs it then. What are the most pressing issues? The commission is going to be dealing with next. I think defense I visit the NATO summit Coming up and the and this has been the main main topic of discussion especially given the current incumbent in the White House there there are some very strident voices in favor of improving military cooperation. Incapability as Emmanuel macron said It's not just the threats from Russia and China Bro. Says the threat of disengagement engagement though disengagement of the US as well so is Is Europe going to be more independent when it comes to protection and security and why people pay what they need to because currently people covering the member states. Don't pay the two percents that they're supposed to With some with some very few exceptions and Coming from as he says. Mary said the defense brief of the German government. I think the Commissioner is going to see that as it one of the main one of the main branches of her tenure. Mary would have something to the list of the most urgent issues. The European Commission should be dealing with. Well I think that one of the one of the issues that they may be think that is one of the more urgent once they should be dealing with is visited. Climate change issue and that seems is to be right up near the top of their agenda If I was going to add another one maybe to One is migration because any any attempt to coordinate a sensible migration policy what happens to people stranded on boats in the Mediterranean people stranded at the borders of the E U You There is still no agreement. No sensible arrangement for any sort of quota for processing accepting People on any standardized standardize basis. And I think that needs to be a priority I think the other thing is weather The question of trade agreement with the United States is going to come back doc Because this has been rumbling on practically as long as I can remember and it was recently put on hold and there are actually huge issues issues. between what could loosely call values and standards as between the United States and the EU. And I think the question gene is whether everybody's going to have another go at that or whether they're going to wait in the hope may be that the new American president after the election. I would have one thing into that as well which is an issue. which isn't going to go away? What to do with recalcitrant members of the EU who are really on a different trajectory? I mean the obvious. One is increasing authoritarian Hungary. Poland is also showing definite tendencies in those ways and not fake feeds all these other issues especially migration if you hungry angry as a fully functioning member of the EU yet completely refuses to Cooperate when it comes to migration issues then itself a problem and that problem is we look at the trends of populism that The problem is only going to increase. Do you think Vonda. And we'll be able to do anything about that. Issue besides trying to balance between West European nations and East European nations. Well it's it's difficult because Although Auburn is quite clear about not wanting to northern as an example not wanting to be dictated to by Western Europe he also needs the money. Frankly frankly And that's a similar pattern everywhere. The the idea is can you exert pressure from within within Without making this whole structure even more fragile and I think brexit is just making that It extremely problematic right. Yeah there was a bit of controversy earlier when when Vaudevillian had to rename the promoting our European way of life department into promoting getting the European way of life. What is your impression? What exactly happened over there homeless? It's these countries you Danila mentioned Poland and Hungary for example have to do with this. Well I think the the the the very How should I say quite protective attitude to what would be what they would call And it's all our fault In as it were old Europe for introducing the idea of European values and this gets repeatedly quoted back at older by new Europe. Who say that? It's we who actually Falling down on observing European values But of course mm Poland and Hungary maybe some of these values in slightly different way But I do think that was was lavender line has one thing going for her As a German and I mean European MEP's and commissioners are supposed to as it were Leave the possible to the door when they go into European institutions that the Europeans primarily and not nationals but as a German She is really on the side of the angels because with Angola Molecules Admission of so many migrants and refugees during a refugee crisis And so far there relative success in absorbing so many people She does actually she. She has As as it were an asset to bring to table and now moving on the combative political interview is something of an institution in the United Kingdom and last night Andrew Andrea Neil. A posthumous offered an instructive lesson in Howitzer deliver one. He spoke to Jeremy Corbyn leader of the Labour Party. Let's no hero. Beatles Fair Exchange Change Andrew. I think we also have to look at how we've created these dangers as well. That means the point. I just raised the point. I just just raises very serious. One doesn't stop him from killing us. Andrew you have to look the future as well. That's what I'm going to send terrorist harassed this country. You cannot confirm tonight I would say taxes and with the information I got at the appropriate time. British press had a field. You'll day with the interview today. Bus Our interviews like this particularly instructive when it comes to helping the electorates decide how to cast its votes. You've done yellow. Were the main takeaways from las notes. Jostle well the main takeaways is that Jeremy Corbyn is petulant Cont count do very basic things like apologize for antisemitism or come out with a clip position on but major issues which confirms what we knew about him In general I would say competitive. Political interviews are a little uh of a Cliche nor always very illuminating. But I think they are useful in sharing how How leaders stand up onto pressure? The one to one pressure is something is something unique when it comes to getting information from them. I'M GONNA. That's not really the purpose When it comes to understanding more about the human being or the passion behind the role well something different? That's for soft feature but I think you can be. I think you can do a hard hitting political an interview without being quite so grandstanding. Some of the famous or big beasts in British journalism Not that this should be divided. Long gend lines butts. I think it's just a fact that if you look at Female journalists and reporters at the interviewing style tends to be a little bit different. Mary what do you think is the balance. Between having a combative of Broach and trying to find out information I mean it depends very much what you're trying to do. Who are you trying to find things out in which case may be a A softer approach may be recommended. Or are you trying actually to have some sort of dual are you trying to Are you trying to get a reaction from the other side and Hopefully a reaction that's going to attract headlines or is going to make a political difference And I can make a defense for both those approaches But I have to say that I sort of slightly disagree with Daniele about the Jeremy Corbyn interview Because I I watched it was creating such a fuss all over the social media last night T I watched it at dead of night on catch up services and and I felt that Andrew Neil was completely out of court in a lot of cases and I also wondered whether the twitter response sponsored especially which was all over car crash into view All the headlines. This morning Jeremy Corbyn fails to apologize. This that and the other I just wonder I wonder whether people outside our particular Political Arena would have responded in the same way to Germany. mkx Opens Interview Because it seemed to me there was a lot of deliberate needling. There was a lot of absolutely tiny details which Jeremy Corbyn to my mind handled quite competently and quite calmly. And I just wonder whether the whether the response out there as opposed to in here might be a different. VISTAPRINT has made a virtue out of sitting on the fence and giving equivocal ons whether it's about Brexit brexit or whether it's about Anti Semitism which he always says and all kinds of of racism and that's shown through in this particular context. It's quite claire. If you say you know the the big story of the day was the chief rabbis Open address about the issue of Antisemitism Labor. It's pretty it shows kind of human touch. Say I am sorry about that and sort of addressed the Jewish community directly. Not asking a lot. Do this kind of interviews favor favor sleep politician several bonds with integrity of very very difficult question and I think If I were responding in a sort of dualistic way I would say what do you mean by integrity. What do you mean sooners politician I think in a way Maybe I withhold judgment because the next interviewee for Andrew Neil is going to be Johnson apparently not tonight but Um uh-huh sometime in the future when he gets around to it And obviously Andrew Neil will be obliged will be temperamentally inclined to show show exit to to to make to take exactly the same approach that he took with Jeremy Corbyn And so I think it it It's only after that that may be we'll be able to judge if there is a very sharp contrast between the way Corbin handle things in the way. Boris Johnson handles the way they come over to the public. Then I think we might be in a position to answer that question. Just finally. Do you think the this this kind of style of interviewing is uniquely British. I think do think politicians in other parts of the world enjoy the same level of aggression from journalists heart attack. It's hard to tell but I think we have. I think we we have fetish is a slightly. We will remember in this country. Jeremy Paxman asking the same question. Was it thirteen times. Was it seventeen times numerous times. And that's what puts me me off a bit becomes a bit of a of an end to itself but there this combative style. I think will be very good with Boris Johnson because Boris Johnson's UNFORTUNATE USPA. At the moment I and somebody who does not recognize the truth so when you hold him to account and say is what is. Is this right or is this right. Give Esol answer. I think that is going to quite possibly muscular him a little. I think that in many other countries they are actually completely horrified even now by the competitive nature of British political tickle interviewing That they regard politicians especially national leaders leaders of opposition leaders of government As people people who deserve a degree of respect so I don't think it's necessarily styled at travels Last week we had very very interesting session where we had a studio audience asking questions of the political leaders one by one and there was an occasion where Boris Johnson was asked about integrity or credibility And the studio audience longed They they'd also laughed at Jeremy Corbyn for one of his answers and I came out of watching that thing. I don't think there is another country in the world where you would have a studio audience openly openly laughing and ridiculing. You're basically leading politicians. Maybe in the United States approaching that but only with the trump presidency. Let's see and finally reported that. In Finland there is now a significant demand for centers who represents Moore feminist values. Barons are now looking for Sunder would not blurt out anything inconsiderate in front of children or would for example issue children's gender. It doesn't sound like my country. Finland this nation of snowflakes. We'll have to be very careful ahead. I well you know. I'm I'm just the Greenwich really and Christmas leaves Me Very Bah Humbug and I think it would be good to maybe introducing an element of danger. Paxton's the center. I'm sure in Finland and in many of these sort of northern countries. You have some quite sinister Traditions and sinister fairy tales of perhaps they could perhaps you could update the center story with With something of grimmer from the attic. What do you think Mary about this new story? Well I mean I. I was intrigued because I I seem to remember a while back. There was talk of having mother Christmases as well as Father Christmases in the UK. And I think it was partly to do with actual shortage shortage of men of a certain age wanting to be father. Christmases and receiving small children In departments grottos and that sort of thing So I think I think the war's move which in west been lost But I would also say that I'm talking of all these Strange Nordic characters. I I have on my Christmas tree. Every year a very small Baba Uganda which is a Russian which And it's very beautiful and she rides awesome broom But I have to say the type had guests who look at it and say that's about a year ago. That should not be a Christmas tree. That is I pay good so I think that Maybe there's room for different opinions about this. Maybe some inspiration for finish over there as well Daniel Fella. The Mary digits. Thank you very much us for joining us here in the briefing. You're listening to the briefing monocle. Twenty four I am marcus hit be. It would be ed to say that. There are striking parallels between Boris Johnson Conservatives and the Republican policy on Donald Trump both movements have lurched just to the right under the stewardship of their blunt reactionary leaders and the Tories and the GOP are no longer considered a safe haven for moderate right-wing politicians trump and Johnson have also been accused of bringing radicals into their inner circle to further their own goals. So what has happened to these one. S- great political movements and is their departure from the mainstream somehow connected. I'm joined in the studio by Geoffrey. Free Howard who teaches political philosophy at University College London. Welcome back to the broke creme. Jeff First of all we always stating things here or do also see indirect parallels between the parties. I don't think we're overstating things I think there really is. This deep connection between what's going on in the Conservative Party here in the United Kingdom. And what's been going on the Republican Party in the United States. Both of them are conservative. Political Parties putatively self-professed conservative political parties. That have really abandoned. In some of the core tenets of conservatism itself which have to do with maintaining order maintaining stability maintaining predictability. And I think part of what's happened is that both the parties have had this kind of populist reorientation they've answered to a concerned group of citizens who very much have a kind of backward looking nostalgia style Joe about a a wider more culturally homogeneous past. They both have a tendency to scapegoat immigrants And they have a tendency to blame elites and I think those rose dimensions of populism have really infected an undermined the conservative aspect of both political parties. So can next. It's have these sheets both in the the. US and the UK being always it just a coincidence us we see this happening to the GOP and to the Conservatives in the UK. Well I think the most accepted empirical hypothesis in this matter is that there has been an people caused by globalisation with jobs. Moving overseas with Traditional working class jobs being reduced through automation. And that's something that that certainly has affected the United Kingdom and the United States as well as many other countries. I think if you look at the grievances of what American political scientists are pundits with call heartland land voters in the United States. They're very similar to the kinds of grievances espoused by BREXIT voters. Here and so I think there is a connection in the sense that the the global forces is that are producing those grievances. Or what's driving both the turn to populism in the United Kingdom and in the United States you mentioned Brexit Ius over over there and I have to ask what part Brexit has played here because some observers say thus it's unlikely that Donald Trump would have been elected in the first place if the UK had opted opt to stay in the European Union. I wouldn't have probably said that. I think I probably would have suggested that Brexit was a kind of warning sign that something was amiss. That there were these deep Senses of disillusionment Agreement within the political culture of the West broadly That was motivating this kind of candidates. Popularity celerity a kind of candidate who comes in and says you know I'm going to smash up the system. I'm GonNa make things very very different. And I. I think I'd like to stress again. Just how radical a departure that is is from the idea of conservatism as a matter of political philosophy I brought along a quote by the conservative political philosopher. Michael Luke shot and it's really striking to think about Boris Johnson and Donald Trump self-professed conservatives. As as I read it. So dot says this to be conservative is to prefer the familiar to the unknown to prefer the tried to the untried tried fact to mystery the actual to the possible. The Limited to the unbounded the near to the distant the sufficient to the super abundant the convenient to the perfect present laughter to Utopian Opium Bliss. And you ask about Brexit just think about brexit. It's there's there's nothing more unknown especially than hard deal exit the willingness of the current incarnation a nation of the Tory political party to abandon the predictable. I think is a real betrayal of conservative ideas. Also referring facts. Let's talk about Fake News Houston. DC Information. They seem to become characteristics off both the GOP and the Tories of the moment. Why is that well? I think that there is a wearing similarity clarity on the part of both the Prime Minister of the UK and the president of the US in that they both seem to be fundamentally dishonest people. They seem to be willing to insult the intelligence voters they seem to be willing peddle falsehoods on a on a regular basis. I don't think Boris Johnson is probably as egregious in this regard. Donald Trump But I think that there is a fundamental sense sense of disrespect for for voters intelligence. Here and I. I don't know if that's a matter of of populism but it is it is a a worrying political strategy that I think a reveal something something that's quite similar between the two men which is the real lack of any substantive moral convictions on the part of either. I think either is willing to do whatever they need to do to Muster the political support. They need to stay in power and they really relate to the activity of talking to voters not as a matter of Respectfully addressing people and trying hi to convince people of their point of view but just as cogs in a machine. They're trying to say whatever they whatever they think will produce the outcome that they want whether they have to lie to do it is neither here nor there and their point point of view. But you think Boris Johnson has learned many tricks from Donald Trump. I think the one that the Tories have learned that there is this sense. That democracies are constrained strange by these informal norms by these soft guardrails by these sets of institutional norms. That have persisted over time. And the the president of the United States shows that you can just fly these norms with impunity. And you can do some serious damage you can get away with it. And so I think when they decided to remove the whip from from so many members of the Conservative Party Part of what was happening there was learning from the case of Donald Trump. In the fact that you really can just ride roughshod over these well established institutions in the chickens may never come home to roost. You really can break the rules of the game in order to win. And I think we're seeing that on on both sides of what is the the position of the moderates in both parties know. Well I think in both parties you have people who do adhere to that kind of shoddy and conservatism. That I alluded to a moment ago. This idea that we prefer order that we prefer stability that we want to move. Slowly on this view conservatism isn't necessarily about Any specific sets policies. Note that the Conservatives of course in America the Republicans are opposed to nationalize healthcare whereas there are more investments in and the NHS Ostensibly coming out through the current Conservative Party Manifesto Conservatives have instead is about a disposition. It's a way of doing politics. Away of being being cautious in our approach to politics. And that particular idea of conservatism. I think that's been thrown completely out the window by both. Just finding how optimistic Listrik argue about the future do think the Republicans and the Conservatives mice wasn't gonNA become policies that embrace common sense cent bracket assume in the future. I think the upcoming elections are extremely important because of the message. Fill sand on exactly this point. So in the United Kingdom if Boris Johnson wins and overwhelming majority the lesson learned. Will that will be that. The particular tax exceeds trotted out this time around have been successful similarly if trump wins reelection If he survives the entire impeachment each mint scandal and he returns to power for a second term he will do so with a restored sense of his unlimited power to break norms with impunity entity. You know I think. It's highly plausible that after the Mueller probe into the relationship between the trump campaign and the Russian government in two thousand sixteen didn't turn up up anything concrete that Congress was willing to act on I think Donald trump learn the lesson. Wow I can do some reasonably dodgy stuff and get away with it and that's what happened with Ukraine. Then he survives Ukraine and he gets reelected. I think that will send a signal to everybody that this really is. Donald Trump's Republican party and moderates really need to run for the we'll because they're not welcome. Thank you very much Jeffrey Howard. You're listening to the briefing on monocle. Twenty four let's get a round up of the stories making news in the Balkan Now I'm joined on the line by our manning the region guidance Johnny Welcome back to the program guy so your first started for today is from Serbia one minister with a degree they haven't earned could be an accident but there is actually due to his job. I love the headline on N.. One News which is One of them news providers in this region based mainly in Belgrade. It says another Serbia ministers display diploma under suspicion. So when says another it's a it's a bit worrying isn't dead so in this case. It's the bushes. Stefanovic founded choose the the the ministry minister of the Interior. He joined his colleague. Finish Molly. who was the finance minister? Both of them have had their degrees under the microscope. In the case of the Finance Minister. Finisher Molly it's because he allegedly plagiarized chunks of his doctoral thesis And these are which would be made by international academics and not just to you know people here political opponents but of course the political opponents of jumped on this and they said sinister molly should resign. This has been going on for about five years and finally the University of Belgrade the Ethics Committee that has recommended that his doctoral degrees should be rescinded and now his political opponents. Saying you better be resigning on Thursday or else so at some. It's quite amusing the way this is going on a low of course if you worked hard for your degree in Serbia you might not think so and and how does the Serbian public feel about this kind of news. Well it depends who they they are of course if you'll be living in Belgrade while educated and you're more likely to vote for the opposition none of course you're outraged and you're saying well. This just indicates the type of people we've gotten government these days. We have one man who allegedly copied a third of his doctoral thesis literally copy pasted things from other people's work with not so much as a footnote of of annotation to acknowledge stat. And you've got another man who went to university called megatrend which supposedly reminds him going to university? megatrend for starters but He then went to a campus in London which apparently has only ever had the two students and everyone who's listed as being a professor denied hotly that they were ever professor and he got his degree from megatrend and two years rather than force at the single. You know how is it that we have people like this in government But I have to say with with politics in the Western Balkans play water boundary here but about the opposition. Not Too much better. Let's continue to Slovenia next. It's it seems that Slovenian's aqua miserable loss at least if you look at the latest figures and it's not we'll just if you look at the latest figures now my call Slovenia my home as you know Marcus and I am very keen on the place. I think it's terrific okay. The weather's been miserable at the moment but this is a country which is probably really dedicated to sustainability. Sixty percent of the country is covered by forest and cycling around. Lubiana is not a blood sport which you certainly can't say for most of the other cities in this region as so many good things about this place and yet people are unhappy and the latest survey suggests fifty one percent of people in in Slovenia our discontent and this is the first rise in discontentment. We've had in seven years and I want to put that in context in Twenty Anti twelve ninety one percent of people were discontent with life in in Slovenia and they went on the streets to to demonstrate that now we're back up above of that fifty percent mark and lots of people be scratching their heads. Saying why so It's a some ways it's a mystery to me but people just feel that they're no not really Where they want to be in life and just finally guy and in brief if if you may interesting museums in Zagreb you may have through the Museum of failed? It's relationships but now you've got the hangover museum. There is the hangover museum and this is going to be an unforgettable space. Apparently which is more than he can save the times when you have a hangover ever and this has been set up by a group of Students WanNA create a museum featuring the best drunken and hangover stories with one item mm-hmm that would best represent peach story so they've obviously taken a bit of a inspiration from the Museum of broken relationships. which does something similar asks people to donate items? Tim's which represent a failed relationship and then can people learn from what's gone on if there's anything which can be learned from a hangover. Marcus except him do it again. look what you'll go to Laura. Thank you very much for this roundup of stories. You only to the briefing on monocle twenty monocle Rolex bring you the pioneers for the founder of Rolex Hands Wills dove the world was like Living Laboratory. He began to use it as a testing ground for his watches from the nine hundred. Thirty s sending them to the most extreme locations supporting explorers who ventured into the unknown but the world has changed as the twentieth century unfolds exploration for pure discovery has given way to at probation as a means to preserve the natural world. Rolex continues this legacy of its founder supporting the explorers of day on the new mission to make the planet perpetual lead more with the Pioneers in partnership with rolling and it is twelve. Forty eight here in London. You're listening to the briefing. It's time to review the day's papers. Now I'm joined in the studio by monocle Nichols Own. Have Been Ryan and Ben Good afternoon. Shall we start with a newspaper from your home city of Melbourne. That's right Marcus. West starting with the age and as quote a tense situation going on in Australia at the moment regarding the Prime Minister Scott Morrison. Now this is actually. Concerning one of his ministers the Energy Minister Angus Taylor Angus. Taylor has been in a bit of hot water recently. After he claimed that a lot of money being spent by a particular council in the State of New South Wales ells on on travel expenses. Now he was. He said in parliament that he was relying on a particular document that showed the the expenses had gone into the millions. It appears that whatever whether this document was that he was relying on May have been a forgery now data as obviously angered a lot of people One of the Labor Opposition politicians then called for an investigation into Mr Taylor has been taking place. The story of gotten the age today concerns. Scott Morrison the prime minister making a phone call to the police. Commissioner a New South Wales to ask about the substance of the investigation. Now you do generally don't do that. Needless list to say that has said a lot of people on fire. They're now saying that. The prime minister is trying to influence the investigation. The police commissioner for his part said that he he had seen the phone ringing several times on Tuesday morning but had ignored the cold because he didn't recognize the number so it does seem that even Scott Morrison Orthon has been having a bit of trouble getting through to the police commissioner but regardless this conversation has taken place and the prime minister certainly seems to be on the back foot over in And in other news the former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is making headlines as well. You've got the conrete indeed now. This story is well. It was rather tens about twenty twenty years ago of the story now consents the twentieth anniversary of the referendum. That Australia took to decide whether it would become a republic break away from the Commonwealth. Say It's it's time is up for You Majesty. The Queen and elect our own Australian head of state. Australia voted no on that but it was the beginning beginning of political career for Mr Malcolm Turnbull. He was later of that referendum campaign and he was present at this dinner. That took place last night in Canberra Dan Rutz who marked twenty years since the vote and he said that look obviously the the the momentum that led to this referendum still exists in Australia. There are still a lot of people who say we should be a republic. The questions are just we don't know how to do it The and Mr Turnbull has been saying that if if this question were asked again if if it were put to the people once again we need to work out what the model would be a not was really the thing that killed the referendum in the first place A lot of people agreed that we should eight eighty sensible for Australia to have its Iron Australian head of state but no one could quite agree on how that person would be elected and they'd actually do Hogan senses. Is this topic for example when you are in Australia. Meet your friends to discuss with Australia's Abuna public or not now. Most people have a bit of a giggle about it. Actually because the the queen doesn't really have anything to do with this training politics as it is the role of the Governor General which is essentially what the president would be if we were a republic. It's purely ceremonial. The only consequential thing the governor general has ever really don would be to sack the government in the nineteen seventies and of course not quite controversial especially if you're a Prime Minister Whitlam But ever since then it it really is a ceremony on your role. No one really gets upside about this very much and I. I do think that's why. A lot of people have reservations about changing the system because Australian politics ease for the most part ah very plain sailing very on controversial. We don't really have extremes on either side of politics. I mean they're they're they're have an awful lot of power sir. I think there are a lot of people who think let's just leave it as it is daylight savings in the other hand. Are they controversial as a topic. You've got a story from the Sydney morning. Herald my goodness Marcus. This is one of the most controversial topics you could possibly raise in his The moment As as you would probably know is well-known because we we talk about this here in in Britain to but there are a lot of people who don't like daylight savings Including it does seem the Labor leader in the State of New South Wales. Jodi McKay one of her constituents has has written to her saying that she would like daylight savings to be shortened or axed all moved. Because it's too hot to go walking in the park in an evening She complained that. Come eight o'clock in the evening. She would like to go for a gentle stroll in a local park. It's still hovering around forty degrees absolutely ridiculous. We should change the times to make cool things going to happen now. I'm not sure I don't have this. I don't know why get so controversial. I I suspect there are a lot of people who misunderstand. What daylight savings actually is the article here in the Sydney Morning Herald is it's quite enlightening? Actually about why people get so uptight about it. There are several reports some of them. Say daylight savings bad for climate. Change others say that it leads to a rise in robberies and so on He's just a list of some of the things that have been attributed due to change of time. A full in robberies increased petrol sales a- jump in heart attacks less milk being produced by cows. And you'll curtains uh-huh fading faster which is terrible news. I suppose if you're really into drapery I don't really see the logic in this to be on Marcus. I'm pretty pretty sure that if you change the time it doesn't make the daylight actually longer but we will definitely be following this new story here. I WANNA go to four. Let's make sure if that's Ben Ryland. Thank you very supporting a serum articles and follow and finally. Today's Bro Chronicles forecast. `cost for twin hits new stunt tomorrow our executive editor finished is here to tell us what we can expect to welcome back to the broker. I'm Jewish so we declare in the cover of this magazine. That explains the year ahead. Total we do that. I know Marcus journalist. We've got to be extremely careful about venturing predictions fictions because often in the cold light of day things like date. Brexit will happen the imminent end of the world as declared by the Mayans when the Millennium Bug Can seem a little bit silly. After journalist proclaimed that they'll definitely happen and then they don't Seventy forecast we've taken a bit of a different tack. We've gone and ask the people who we think. No the issues best. That will shape the air ahead Just want to start with one story. the environment is definitely going to affect cities in the year ahead. Dan particularly climate change survived them talking about that in a very abstract way. We sent did James Chambers from our Hong Kong Office to visit the new Potential she'll capital of Indonesia a city on the island of Borneo that same to spread out investments across Indonesia and we see that they're actually breaking ground there to create an entirely new. You City the kind of thing that's been done In Brasilia in the sixties in Canberra. There's a city being built outside of Cairo so rather than talking about climate change in cities. We've we've actually physically Ghanem reported from these outposts that we think are going to be important and I think that is going to be key to shaping the air ahead in one sense. It's one of the standout stories. Stories in this magazine was kind of other stories. Would you like to mention well. We talk about print media. We talk about the importance of it in the year ahead we see book. Sales are going up. We know independent magazines are doing well. We also know the newspapers of flagging so we went to the Times of India. Marcus the biggest English language newspaper in the World Prince three million copies over fifty six editions and join them today. We embedded with the fashion editor with the local crime. Reporter with the editors the regional editions and again it's a bit of a sideways sideways. Look at an industry that we think is important. We print lots of magazines and newspapers here. We think it's an important way of disseminating what we consider to be an important message But again we can have a bit of fun with that. We can see how that's done elsewhere. We also least thirty ideas to make your life a bit better. There's also another ranking list. At least the best small ceases to a small well I think that the year ahead is In Monaco editorial as any regular be talking about gentle all social changes that make your work life better and make your personal life better and both live in London and we know that sometimes that could be a bit of a strain. It's an expensive place to live if it's a busy place to live and although we both work at Monaco very rewarding I hope he does a lot to be said for decamping to Porto ordered decamping camping too at Lausanne bouldering Colorado or even Bergen another city that we Place a place a kind of Spotlight on to talk about a gentler pace of life and what it might be like if you're going to set up is the only Finnish broadcaster based in any of those cities. Marcus exactly aren't mentioned in the beginning. The brand's new four costas on the new stamps to Moro. Thank you very much. That was Jewish finance. Joining us at Midori House Studio One. And that's all for today. 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Ep. 8  What the Filicide!?

Happy Hour Gets Weird

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Ep. 8 What the Filicide!?

"Weirdo he keep bringing up friends. Call during happy hour. Then this is the podcast for you. Welcomed happy hour gets weird so just like a low soothing. Mine is only Jeff Bridges. Actually I love Jeff. Bridges just told me the dude I fucking well. I love that movie like if I could get away with walking down the street with what he his wardrobe in that movie like you wearing a bathrobe constantly having white Russians. Yes I seriously I would it pretty much as the life. There's really nothing much better than not getting dressed in being in kind of drunk all the time. I I just have this deep need to wear bathrobe all the time. cozy right. You feel like people need to wear robes more. We should bring the road back. We should bring the dude look back. Well I feel like people would be happier if they just wore a robe is they would just feel cozy near who is not happy when they're cozy. We're already halfway there. Because we're wearing sweats. Oh I am fully wearing pyjamas. Today I've been wearing stretch pants every episode except for one. I'm one of those people who like I believe in you dress. Nice feel Nice. I mean. That's a super. We're simple way to put it. But I was like to dress put together because I feel put together otherwise I just might my life would totally this faulted shit in just the of disaster. If I dress like the dude my life would be like the Dude I. I couldn't dress like the dude and have a together life life but I get it. I always thought you're supposed to dress for the job you want. I thought you had to wear stretch against a podcast I think so. I think that that's a rule. I think it Israel zero there will now thorough guys. Didn't know this happy hour gets weird. Make them thanks for joining us. Words Awesome Awkward Day. We say I'm Cathy. I'm tiffany and this is our podcast. Have era gets weird word haired we get together for happy hour and we have drinks and we talk about all the weird shit that weird. The people like to talk about this week. We are drinking spiked coffee. Who is pretty good? It is pretty good it is pretty good. It has moved cream on top and as always we will post our drink recipe and pictures on instagram. Happy hour gets weird. pod Is there instagram And I like how you were so humble about the whip cream tiffany made the whip cream homemade by the way and it really is delicious. Just I could eat just a whole bowl of this cream. It is a very very good all right well. Now that we've talked about our drinks Amadou Dude. Would we want to get into into it all right of so just a little a little disclaimer. We are talking some pretty lead heavy subjects this week. We're doing true crime episodes. It's going to be a little bit heavier than last week. which was bigfoot pun intended Taller? bigfoot episode was definitely later than this one. Yeah this one's going to be heavy so we decided tiffany and I decided to kind of at the top of the heavier episodes. We're just GONNA start calling them top shelf episodes right Yup not as our warnings if we say it's top shelf episode so that means triggers it. There's going to be all kinds of triggers so this week we had planned on doing a family family when family kills family and we both ended up on true crime cases where the parents harm children so by the accident. I didn't know that we were GonNa both end up picking parents. Yeah we did so. This is just like a trigger warning we are going to be discussing child abuse in graphic detail. Tell so just a little heads up if you are going to be triggered by that. Please stop listening. If you're not going to be triggered like that anyone anyone here about these true crime cases. Please keep listening well. Now that we have our top-shelf warning yeah let's go ahead. You go first. Yeah let's get into it all right so before I start I Actually I have two things. We have new mikes so. We hope that it sells better. Oh yeah one more really stepping it up in the world. Yeah I also wanted to say something that I have meant to say after an episode. We've we did previously A lot out of the episodes we do touch on religion and how we roasted. Oil is in particular roasted analysts's parent. Yeah Yeah I mean I I. I don't know how that came off. I just want to say that I hold the no judgment against any religion or person who has religious beliefs. I hope that none of our episodes come off as like disparaging people of faith. I'd like I know that people that actually know me I wouldn't have to say that too like they would know that I would that I would never judge somebody's you know religious beliefs but it's kind of hard because we're in this weird situation where strangers could be listening adding to us and I just want to make sure that people know that we're not no judging religion or anything like that now unfortunately really a lot of the episodes that we do the people use religion as an excuse or a reason to do horrible things. Yeah and that's GonNa come up in in what I'm about to talk about. Yeah so I felt like I should say something. Yeah you do you really. Yeah as long as you're not hurting anybody yet you. We don't really long if you're hurting. Somebody yelled if you're just you know living life being a good person doing whatever you WanNa do in. Yeah no didn't here. We just happened to be talking about true crime cases that involve people who exploited religion to take advantage of other people in that friends is not okay in my book in any way. No Okay so now that we've done so many disclaimers in you guys are like. What the fuck can you talk about your stories Let's get to it. All right. You go go went okay go pick My sources are CNN. Murder Pedia on medium article by Delaney Marlet and a little bit of the a little bit of the Fresno Bee fifteen years ago. It crime crime shook the city of Fresno California years of horror culminated in a tragedy that still haunts the city today. Discussing the crimes of Marcus. Wesson Insert dramatic sound effect done. That was good. That's exactly what I wanted. So Marcus. Weston was born on August twenty second nineteen forty six. I didn't find that much about his life before adulthood. All that I pretty much found it was which is like it for me. One of the most interesting parts of cases like these people that do shit like I'm always interested to is it was it nature or nurture or both and I think that that's the thing that people are trying to constantly trying to figure out like how much of nature how much pressure because some people can handle so much stuff and some people are like can handle nothing before breaking many frontal lobe head injuries. Before you start. That's true I this guy. I don't know if you had a head injury but I'd like to give them one. Yeah yeah the one thing that everything say was that. He grew up in a religious household with the strict father. Other than that. I don't really know much But I think by all accounts he was a kid. He ended up joining the army and was stationed in Europe up and there was no news. No bad stories about his time in the military after his stint in the army he moved to San Jose in Europe yet he was stationed in Europe. I believe he was editing. I think he was a medic. Maybe Transylvania after a stint in the army moved to San Jose it was nineteen sixty eight in San Jose he moved in with a woman named Rosemary May Tarinah Rosemary always. It's a full circle. Everything is a full everything's connected and Rosemary had an eight year old daughter during this time Western claimed God was speaking came to him. He was in his he was in his mid twenties. This is not going to be good. This is why disclaimer He was in his mid twenties by this time in he and Rosemary had awesome together also soon after living in this household western to begin telling Rosemary's eight year old daughter Elizabeth that she belonged to him and that God wanted them to be married. Oh God I'm already flick fully enraged at I Mike Two Sentences in I'm Mike I can feel the veins like looking when Elizabeth was fifteen. She and West married apparently what her mother's blessing man they were already having sex. I think she might. I have been pregnant when they got married. My what would terrible terrible terrible parents. The the mom was like. Oh God told you okay. We'll chill western. Lesson ended up having ten children with Elizabeth his stepdaughter. Yes so they were because he was never technically married to her mom but yeah the stepdaughter. Yeah okay by porce sweet baby so she was. She had pretty much less than like her entire life like she met him when she was eight. And no this was pretty much all the mom knew to okay Also this is just so like irony in the worst way Elizabeth sister. Her sent her seven children to live in the Western household. Because she couldn't properly care for them. I believe that they were getting molested at her household so she sent them to live with Western. I and Elizabeth Wait Rosemary sister or Elizabeth says Elizabeth Sister Elizabeth is the step daughter Elizabeth daughter Yes Elizabeth. Mary had another daughter. Yes but Elizabeth Elizabeth is Marcus West wife in this whole story okay. Rosemary's out of it. Okay so yeah just like hanging out the living room or she still staying there living there. No I think they like moved out. I believe after they got married so so there. I'm so sorry I I decided to get this straight circuit understand so wesson met rosemary yards. Mary had an eight year old daughter. West wasn't married the eight year old daughter when she was finishing kick Rosemary Rosemary Yes what man. Elizabeth had a sister who sent her seven children to also live with Elizabeth and lesson. Today at Seventeen gives there at one point. Yes yes. Please give monster mutually condone first Brady Bunch. Yeah it's horrible odd Over the next twenty years. Here's the Western family lived in existence of isolation secrecy and horror all at the hands of Western so nominee get into a little bit of just their life. Okay Western never had a job living instead off welfare until much later on when his children could be sent to work and then they would give their money to lessen the large family. And I'M GONNA use the word family but this is not a family. The large family moved from place to place to avoid suspicions. Shin's they lived in a boat for a few years. More Western would always keep the kids like under the the deck whatever. which can you imagine? Seventeen kids living on a boat. They lived in an army surplus tent in the Santa Cruz. Mountains without running water for it's like twelve years. They also lived in an abandoned school bus for awhile just situations like that often. They scavenge for food from restaurant dumpsters. Yes the children weren't allowed to attend school and they relied on Western four all of their edge. Not the scenario. No so it's I can't seriously so awful Westerns Colt teachings as with most things built on bullshit are like really hard to follow. Oh okay okay. He's Kooky crazy besides your own life. Evil yes and a piece of shit. He's also crazy perfect. What a great actor Imbo so his? He started teaching his family a perverse religion again using that word very loosely based off of Christianity. Eddie and vampirism. Oh Nice yeah if you heard it you heard it right. So maybe he was stationed in translating. Maybe he was yeah. I'm his his sons were given beatings over the slightest infractions. One Son told a story that he took. A spoonful of peanut. Butter was beaten every day for a month his daughters autres and nieces were molested from the age of Eight. He told them it was called loving and would make them better women. Oh my goodness that that is yeah. It's this is one of the worst hake stories to twist love like that and and they're already living in squalor. They're starving to death. They're totally isolated and being sexually abuser tariffs and totally brainwashing. Told that that's how people love each other. Yeah Wesson also so separated the sons and daughters so that they wouldn't have feelings for each other according to weapons daughters so he like really. I mean what. I don't even think that at some of the sons were aware of the abuse that was going on because they were like completely split apart Western married several of his nieces daughters when they were young teens. In these like fake bullshit ceremonies where they put their hand on a Bible and then he'd give them a gold ring and he would read from the Bible like Multiple Times a day. Interpreting passages like you know twisting them so that it would pretty much support his disgusting agenda Yeah. He taught them that God was losing and followers and that it was their job to make more of God's children in the it like played into manipulated perfectly so that his is molested daughters was seraing on an incest was like serving. God Yes what they needed to do and he said Oh God. He said things like that incest. Incest would make like a more pure person. Okay why a Sicko he would say things. Like God's children are becoming extinct and you know we have to make for the Lord. They never had a chance. It's really sad but then he also said this is why this is part of the thing that was really I mean and the vampire. Thanks obviously confusing. But he also let claim that he was God later on. So it's like a first. He would talk about God but then he said he was gone so it was really. I don't know it's just. I started questioning Fan. Yeah so then. He's like God but he also claimed that Jesus was any apart and that's why they both have ternal life also like vampires are super real so that makes sense. Yeah what a crane. It's like he watched interview with the Vampire one day and was like wait a minute I know what to do. That's southern go uh-huh fucking got hate this guy so much and he gave himself a vampire. He gave everyone a vampire named but his own vampire name was j Jay Vam Mark Suss pyre which is jamarcus. Herb was Jesus Marcus and vampire. Dr Mixed together idiot are literally wrote. He is such a fucking idiot. Like seriously come up with a better vampire name. He's a fucking idiot it. He also believed that there was power drinking blood but I didn't find anything that said that he necessarily drink blood. I mean obviously wouldn't put it past him but he just thought that that was another thing with vampires ars that he was kind of obsessed with side from all of this weirdness his His children waited on him hand and foot. I mean they lose lazy to yet he he thought he was gone so they were pretty much afraid to not do everything he said. And another thing that really pissed me off because like so many times children were Hungary and like later court trials. They talked about like there were times where all they had was raised to eat in like being hungry. Food was a big deal to you. Know when you don't have food food is a big deal. Yeah Wesson eight fast food whenever he wanted and was over three hundred pounds when he was arrested. So these children that were constantly focused on food and starving. He was second fine just like one more thing that really makes me hate him. A couple of daughters even with all of this brainwashing. They they did try to leave when things became too unbearable. Yeah one was found by Elizabeth. The MOM and brought back one daughter who just spoke about about leaving was stabbed in the chest by Western but survived so she just told him that she wanted to leave any stabbed. Her and one girl did get away by this time. The children of the family had grown. The boys left home but the girls at them lead. Yeah but the girls stay the boy. The Boys Swirl naturally let people leave when he let the boys leave I think because he had no use for them. Yeah and I'm sure that he probably couldn't beat them anymore. Once they were grown. Yeah the the girl stayed and they were still heavily. Under the control of lesson that family moved to a building in Fresno California wasn't sent some of his wives to work to support them and and they always returned and gave their money to weapon. They bought antique coffins. It was said that they bought anti coffins sedan person and pink. Why would they actually bought? Yeah vins it was said that the children the children that Marcus and his daughters and nieces had together a little children that were there at this point slept in the coffins because the building that they lived in was unheeded and they needed to to stay warm. It wasn't a house. It was like an office building or so so I sorta mcelhinney in house of four. Yeah A- building a horse yes. The girl's Western had married. Believe they were happy to be with. Lessen the control Western had over. These people cannot be understated understated a fully brainwash. Yes they were fully bring much. His family truly believed that he was God that the outside world was evil and that death would be better than breaking up the family really. I can't like I can't even imagine how horrible this whole twenty years decades of abuse and brainwashing and horror and it's just awful will in two thousand and four Safina Solorio and Ruby Ortiz. who had previously left their children fall fathered by Western in his care? Return to get them. The women had heard that Marcus was moving the family to Washington state and they wanted to get their children back before then. Western refused to release their children. The women's female relatives that have remained at the house. Lessons other wives called Safina in Ruby whores and Jesus said they should bow to their master their like yelling at the cousins who had tried. You know we're trying to get their kids back. Yeah why the change of heart all of a sudden a Safina in Ruby called the police to come help it was you. You know this huge thing. They're yelling at each other. Neighbors were gathered around watching this this whole thing because there's obviously a scene. It was a huge thing. There's so many people. Yeah at this point you know a win heads heads in. They start out with seventeen in year having kids to their head to be. Yeah so the police came to the residence followed by Swat. They were aware that Western had a gun in the house. Full of women and children as police getting into position shots ring out west and walked out covered in blood and surrendered. No the police. He's found dead inside Piled on top of each other mixed with clothing you know what I know of this theory that I didn't I don't I've never like re looked at opera. Read anything anything about it. So he's still alive. Yes Oh that bastard. So the police walked in and there was this pile of dead children and women Um the room was lined with coffins. All of them were shot through one. I it was seven children into young women. There was Sabrina Western. Who was twenty me? Five Elizabeth wasn't who was seventeen Isabel West. who was eight Ethan Western? who was four sedona Wesson who was one and a half marshy western who was a year and a half also God and JV Western? Who was one? Oh my God it's really have be really this was I. This story is GonNa stick with me forever so awful. It is the worst mass shooting in Fresno's history in the scene was really traumatic for first responders. Yeah just awful. I can't even imagine at the trial. Western claimed his oldest daughter that died had pulled the trigger before taking her own life but even if she was the one that did it. I'll only would a piece of shit. Yeah even if she was did she acted on lessons. Orders and years of mind. Control troll right so fuck you Marcus Wesson. Some surviving family members also spoke at the trial. Some of them actually in favor of lesson because the control troll was still that strong what his original wife. Elizabeth Elizabeth was offered immunity for testimony. What Elizabeth Western claimed blamed on trial that she was unaware of the abuse but considering their cramped living conditions in the fact? That Marcus was preaching was preaching these beliefs that seems impossible like she obviously knew but at the same time she met West when she was eight years old so I consider her a victim as well. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the idea of not protecting your kids. But if that's literally all that you know your entire life yeah but you know I just feel like I'm GonNa maybe take an opposite. Stance I feel like victims turn. Abuser became be I the way that you know at eight you have you know. Eight years of living in non abuse. you know. Apparently we don't have anything. I'm saying. Otherwise it she was abused before that the I mean I just feel like at that point. See what makes me think that is. She's lying about it. You know what I mean like. If she didn't think it was wrong she would say like why just thought that was our way of life. She made a comment in the trial. Something like according to the paper's the way we lived was wrong but but for me it would be like well. I just thought that's how everybody's family was like. I didn't know different. But instead she's showing like deceit which she knew it was like arden known anything about it. But how did you think the girls were getting pregnant. Then people They said that it was artificial. Insemination when you're living in a tent. Don't yeah seriously go because that's free out of a bus 'cause I yeah it's I mean. I don't believe that she didn't know either. I just think that she was also abused in under control. The whole thing is just awful. They're yet his office. You know it's lose lose. It is awful. The trial testimony was really really bad. Jurors relate like crying. The I bet that would that the terrible case to be the western children's spoke of meetings sexual abuse years of other behaviors. A story was told told about Western. Beating the legs of a woman will baby because it was crying yes. He was Coty such piece of shit he was confessing was convicted of nine counts of first degree murder on June seventeenth two thousand five and also found guilty on fourteen counts of forcible sexual assault on the sexual molestation of seven of his daughters. In Nieces West was sentenced to death on June twenty seven two thousand five but we of it right in in California. There's no longer a death. The death penalty the least. He's never getting out since then. Westerns attorneys have filed motions to dismiss the murder charges against Western. Because they claim that it was Sabrina. Now who did it not lesson. But it's like fuck you that you're staying in jail. Yeah like I. If he were ever to be out of jail out that would be like such a horrible miscarriage scared of justice. Yeah I don't even know the point of trying to throw out the murderer when you're in jail for Fourteen Council of rape and Malaysia will rate so it has taken many years for the western children to realize that Marcus Western is not God and that his teachings were evil and self-serving they are truly survivors. I wanted to end the story on kind of a higher note So awful so I found this article written by the Fresno Bee sixpence before the mass shooting. One daughter had escaped mentioned that Yeah she lived with a brother in secrecy okay. Her first day of school began at age. Nineteen my goodness. I know this amazing. After receiving the shocking news of what had happened to her family. Gypsy stayed focused on her goals. She worked she went to school and she raised a daughter that she had with her boyfriend. And two thousand eleven gypsy Wesson. A survivor graduated -aduated from Fresno Pacific University where. She received her bachelor's degree in business. Half Gypsy congratulations. Yeah so she. She went through all that and then worked her way through college and got a degree when she had never been to school. She taught herself how to read at home like with help from older sibling. Miss that that is such a Liga. Silver lining inside of this terrible terrible awful disgusting story. It is the worst store in the world and I was so happy that I found that story about gypsy. Not because she deserves all the praise even. If it's just from our little podcasts. Go Gypsy about stories. Awful so go have a drink of something. I guess you need it. I need a drink after that. Oh my gosh that's great. That's just such a terrible story. Those poor kids this poor kids and the women too. It's the story in the world it. It's it's pretty bad. Pretty much worse. Gohmert hits hits heads bad. You're welcome thank you so much it feel like well. It's not GonNa get any better okay. Are you ready for my story. Can we just talk about bigfoot again. I talk about all Dandy okay. So I'm aw I'm doing this story of Sheila and Susan nor were killed by at the hands of their mother Theresa recent nor who is the absolute most evil person you know Wesson and Theresa Match Maiden Health Pretty Much I could you imagine if they knew each other. Oh God the world would burn so I got God. I'm going to do something a little different this this Usually we do a bunch of research in writer own essay. But I'm actually. I found an essay on murder. Pedia of all places and it's called mother knows best. The story of Theresa Jimmy Cross which is her maiden name mm-hmm by David Laura and I'm GonNa read his essay because I feel like it kind of sums everything up in a in a good way. So this one is brought to you by David Laura Right. Let's hear it and I got a little bit of tidbits here and there also from doc wikipedia and this was actually a evil lives here episode on. Id Channel. It was such a good episode. Yeah I love that show. Yeah me too one of my favorites shout I mean could anymore stupid. I'll think okay that's my cue to just start. So this is mother knows best. The story of Theresa Jimmy Cross by David Lohr on the morning in July seventeenth. Nineteen eighty-four forty-five-year-old. Mabel Harrison was driving on California's highway eighty nine when she noticed a bright light illuminating the woods woods concerned that a fire had broken out. Mabel decided to investigate from her vantage point on the interstate Mabel wasn't sure what she was looking at but as that she made her way down the rocky slope to get a closer look a permeating stench stopped her alarmed she ran back up the incline and flagged down a truck. Robert Eaton stopped his truck. He saw Mabel waving her arms when she told him. There was an unusual fire burning at the bottom of the hill. Eden grabbed his extinguisher during the two headed toward the source. After eating douse the flames and the smoke began to clear. He enabled discovered what appeared to be a charter human corpse. As soon as the reality of the situation hit him. Eden ran back to his truck and reported the grisly discovery authorities on a CB radio emergency services personnel already surrounding the area by the time Tahoe city detective Russell pots and Larry Adams arrived on the scene after looking over the gruesome sight. Pots requested that criminologist Michael sags and Plaster County. Sheriff Donald J nunes be brought in within an hour. The four men were taking soil samples in photographing the area. The body was badly burned and the lower portion of the victims lake was detached in online next to the body. The left arm was propped up on its elbow in the right arm was extended at the victims side. The only part of the body not burned was the left left side of the vixen victims face. It was obvious the victim was female. Her breast although severely charred remained remain visible in all investigators collected more than thirty pieces of evidence which they found on or around the body among the items. Catalogued catalogued a green toothbrush. A pair of Gloria Vanderbilt jeans by yellow black scarf. An under wire size thirty ready to see bra from JC Penney and black onyx bracelet disposable diapers a pair of hoop earrings and several miscellaneous articles of clothing after finishing the crime scene. Investigators dubbed the body Jane Doe Number Four eight seven and three slash eight four in sent her to plaster county morgue less than two hours later. Forensic pathologist Dr a v KUNA conducted the autopsy. The victim was between eighteen and twenty two years old five feet three inches tall and weighing approximately hundred fifteen eighteen pounds. The body showed signs of abuse and there were two puncture wounds discovered on the victims back the discovery of an ovarian tumor indicated the J. Dole had suffered a severe beating at some point prior to her death. Physical injuries were life threatening but the immediate cause of death was smoke inhalation relation which means it she was. Oh my God following the autopsy Jane does fingers were removed instead Sacramento for print Meg zillah maximum Mac Sula Magdala and mandible were removed. That's okay they. The upper and lower jobs were removed in case. Dental records surfaced Investigators have few clues to go on in Berry very little hope of discovering Density of Jane Doe Number Four eight seven three slash eighty four and in fact it would almost be a decade before were they found out who she was so awful. It's terrible. Doing numbers correspond with a number of Jane. Does they have. I don't know but it did. The last two numbers were the a year. Okay that she was found so does that. I was just wondering if there's any part of it was like honey Jane does. We'll have to look at it. I don't know yeah. That is something to look up. I hope it's not so. Yeah that would that would be horrific. So David wrote this essay based on two books. Mother's Day by Dennis McDougal and there's another one later in the essay that he named also Yep according to the nineteen ninety five book. Mother's Day by Dennis. McDougal Theresa Jimmy. Francine Cross was born on March twelfth. Nineteen forty six. Her father. Jim Cross was an assistant. cheesemaker at Sacramento's Golden State Dairy. which by the way is a fucking kick ass job? I think I would love to be a cheesemaker. Do you eat it. Why would I I would be? She's Sampler and in her mother Swannee Gay Cross worked at a local lumbered happening swannee. That's a tough one year it's S. W. A. N. N. I. E. Sweney is wanting no matter weighty matter how you slice it that's a tough name pirates name Teresa had an older sister Rosemary. Are you joking. I it must be popular name in the in the sixties seventy Ortiz Forties nineteen fifty to forty four but rosemary born forty four in two oversteps step siblings William and Clara tap step children were from Sweeney's first marriage which unexpectedly ended with the death of her husband in nineteen thirty China. The Cross family prospered over the years. And by the early fifties they were able to move out of their small Sacramento Bungalow and purchase a large large house in Rio Linda. California which is just north of Sacramento Nonetheless their happiness was short lived near. I'm sorry but both however stories are both northern California as well yeah and parents. Yeah we run this. We're fighting. We are. Yeah we're Doman. Don't visit here if you're not from I'm here. I guess is the moral of this story. She it's in the water. Watch off ten. The cheese there nonetheless. Their happiness was short lived and sometime during late fifties. Jim Cross fell ill with Parkinson's disease. He could no longer work and was forced to quit. His is cheese making job. That's awful. I know is really sad. Following his diagnosis. Jim fell into a deep. Depression often took his anger out on his children. Komo according to friends of the Family Theresa was a loner an had always been jealous of her sister Rosemary. If they weren't fighting over a neighborhood boy away they were competing for their mothers attention. Theresa was especially fond of her mother in outsiders felt that sweney favored Theresa Over Rosemary. In retrospect the afternoon of March Second Nineteen sixty-one probably affected them more than anyone could have imagined. fifteen In nineteen sixty one Theresa was Escorting her mother to a local store that day when her mother suddenly collapsed as Theresa. Hell the woman in her arms sweney breathe through last breath and died. Her cause of death was congestive heart failure here and on March sixth nineteen sixty one. sweney cross was buried at sunset lawn cemetery so when she was fifteen her mother died in her arms. Yes so I mean it's like making you know little pieces of the puzzle. I think are kind of starting to fit together. Not Excusing her. Terrible awful evil behavior. Yeah now I know this story so I already hater but to me. If you lost your mother at a young age that would make me see. That would make me want to be a better mom. Because it's like you want to be the thing that you wanted to happen. You were growing up kind of situation like be the person that you looked for when you were a kid. I completely one hundred percent agree with you. So soccer serious. I don't know no oh seriously following. The death of Mother Teresa fell into a deep depression from which he never fully seemed to recover without swain's income. Jim Jim Cross could no longer for to keep the family home and was forced to sell it bit by bit. Every piece of Security Theresa had known was taken away from her with her life hyphen disarray Theresa Latched. Onto the first man. That walked into her life. I believe back Clifford Clyde Sanders was five years older than Theresa. When the two I met at a mutual friend's house within weeks the young couple was in love in discussing marriage whether Theresa actually left Clifford or simply wanted security in her. Life is anyone's guess regardless on September twenty ninth nineteen sixty two Theresa Jimmy Cross became Theresa Jimmy Sanders shortly shortly after the wedding Theresa Drought Junior High School and the couple moved into a one bedroom. Apartment in North Highlands district of California. It did not take long for the mayor to start going downhill. Teresa was very possessive of Clifford. Kept him on a short leash. The middle schooler alert was the Bossy one on July sixteenth nineteen sixty. Three Theresa gave birth to her first child. Howard Clyde Sanders Sanders? Things seem to settle down for a while but eventually theresa reverted back to her old ways. Howard was unhappy in the marriage in a hit not and and had it not been portrayed a second pregnancy in the spring of nineteen sixty four? He probably would have left her there. One bedroom apartment was too small for another child and the growing family moved into a small White House. Just outside of Sacramento. While Theresa N- Clifford's marriage had its ups and downs. Tempers came to a boiling point on June twenty. Second Nineteen Sixty four robin spend the day with her and the baby. Clifford went out drinking with his friends. Ans- by veteran twenty like do a blatant him. No more issue's not even left to go. Right baby possessive. Why live it's on your last fucking nerve fourteen? Teenagers are super crazy anyway. Yeah but she was she on adult by this time. Yeah I'm a really. Do you know by her second kid. She like yes she was eighteen. She was eighteen so like bi is also like not the best decision to make. You know like what happened. Family time you know and the baby sleeps at night so why not go out. And I don't know a NYC ninety days later later that evening he strolled in drunk and theresa boil over she berated him for neglecting his family and wait wasting their much needed money. Abu Abu which by the way is not okay yeah. Clifford was in no mood argue and he ended her tirade with a single punch to the face. Oh Shit Theresa went it to the police station. Nevada an assault and battery charge against him but when it came to arrest him she refused to sign the papers in the charges. Were dropped according to the Nineteen Nineteen Ninety five book. Whatever mother says by Wensley Clarkson? That's the other book that he used as a reference US ours. Clifford had a huge argument moment which research on his birthday. July fifth nineteen sixty. Four Theresa accused him of infidelity at. He decided he had enough the following day clifford packed Tis bags and told Theresa that he was leaving unfortunately he never made it out the door. Oh Shit Theresa went into a rage grabbed a rifle and shot her husband in the back Clifford stumbled or shot her husband. Clifford stumbled backwards and fell dead. Gold today lived in Galt. Take time go police chief Walter Fro Lynch was the one one of the first officers on the scene quote. I grabbed a gun to make him keep from hitting me in it. Went off and quote. Teresa said Clifford's body was lying face down in the doorway of the kitchen and only opposite opposite end of the room. Ferrallonthebench found the rifle leaning against the wall Fritsch arrested Teresa in transported her to the Sacramento County. Jail Baby Eighty Howard was taken to stay in the care of one of theres's relatives the headline on July seventh nineteen sixty four in the Sacramento Bee. Daily newspaper announced murder. Charge guard is due in gold death. The first paragraph read Deputy District Attorney Donald. Dorfman said he planned to file a murder charge. Today against eighteen year old Mrs Teresa Lisa Sanders of golf in the deer rifle slaying of her husband Clifford Sanders twenty three was slain. Yesterday morning in the couple small gulp home. They had to say small. Aw like the house was also kind of a fucking mess so you could appointed up before she shot. That would have been great yeah. Investigators reported afforded. The bullet apparently grazed off his left wrist and lodged in his heart. Sushi shot him for facing him from across the room on August. This fourth nineteen sixty four to recent entered a plea of innocent by reason of self defense in a Sacramento courtroom. Retrial was scheduled to begin three weeks later in judge. Charles W Johnson's courtroom deputy district attorney. Donald Dorfman wanted a first degree murder conviction and on August thirtieth nineteen sixty four. He began his opening statements to the jury. Dorfman accused Theresa murdering her husband in cold blood and insist she can cough to the allegations of self defense. In order the despair herself a prison sentence the murder endorphins opinion was committed because Theresa suspicions that her husband was committing adultery afterwards Teresa's attorney Robert Art Zurich argue that Acted out of self defense. It was only protecting herself and her unborn child. So she's pregnant at this time. Yeah so super. You're sympathetic right and you have to think too again. Not Excusing her future behavior or or killing her husband. I personally don't think it was in self defense. I think that she killed on myspace in cold but yet in a rage but she's has almost one year old she's eighteen eighteen years old and she has a baby on the way and she's on trial for the murder of her husband and she we already know. Will we already speculate that. She's emotionally disturbed still from the death of her mother. Yeah so I'm not surprised this happened. Yeah but her actions are definitely inexcusable. Ten the jury probably felt so sympathetic towards her because of her age and her situation. Yeah closing arguments begin. September twenty first sixty four door from repeated his opening statements hands and accused Theresa of murdering her husband out of jealousy quote. This is clearly premeditated first degree murder. He told the jury quote. Not every murderer can look like the witch in Snow White. She's eighteen and pregnant. That doesn't overcome the fact that she maliciously shot and killed her husband without provocation on September timber. Twenty second after deliberating for one hour and forty five minutes the jury found Theresa Jimmy Francine Sanders. Not Guilty men was dumbstruck by the verdict whether he realize it at the time or not the loss would eventually come back to haunt him Yeah so I was found to have no alcohol in his system. During the summer story was ally yet. He wasn't in a drunken rage. Oh he was not got. It was the morning after his birthday he had gotten up and was like fuck this shit. I'm Outta here and she's like if I can't have nobody will. She's fucking witch Lynch. Yeah there she gets way more. It's pretty sad that killing her husband is the least horrible thing that she's done in the story. Yes it's usually. That's the end of the story. But this is the beginning at the beginning of her story. Buckle up buckle up people God all right this this work goes gets downhill. It goes downhill from here. Why it gets worse? After earning her acquittal Theresa regain custody of her son Howard and moved in with family friends she was forms pregnant. Her marriage to Clifford had not been happy but at least it provided her with a sense of stability Ludi and belonging now at just eighteen she was alone ag again. Desperately seeking stability to cope theresa turn to alcohol. Begin drowning her sorrows at at a local American Legion Hall. It was there that she met a style Lee Thorns Berry. An army veteran who had suffered a debilitating blow a two years earlier. When a swimming accident left him quadriplegic nonetheless thornberry's disability didn't seem to bother theresa and the two began dating now is still actually? Seems like a really nice guy through a lot already. Yeah on March thirteenth. Nineteen sixty five theresa. Lisa gave birth to Sheila Gay Sanders. Even though the child was not his thornberry doted on her entreated her as if his own deeply in love with theresa that he suggests that they all move in together and live as a family. Theresa agreed at a few weeks later. They rented out a small apartment in the beginning thorns berry enjoyed the living arrangements points but his feelings begin to change when Teresa started treating him as a babysitter rather than eleven interest with the relationship already. Rocky things came to end a few months later when thornberry discovered theresa was cheating on him with his best. fucking friend cheese Yeah like stone stone cold bit she such a fuck and then we'll wait the worst part in this. Okay listen to this. Following a heated argument theresa packed her belongings along with most of thornberry's belongings and move the fuck out and he's a quadriplegic so he's like. Excuse me do things. Yes Yep my best friend basically. He raised her daughter as his own. She took her kids way took her and took his things. She's such a fucking shortly after the break. With a stall Theresa set her sights on Robert nor a private in the marine incor- The to begin dating and within a few months Theresa was pregnant in the began discussing marriage in February nineteen sixty six nor was shipped off to Vietnam Tom shortly after his arrival nor was on patrol when a stray bullet struck him in the shoulder. Injury was not serious but frightening just the same. After a brief stay day in a field hospital he was back on his feet in patrolling the jungle again but just weeks later nor was again shot this time. The bullet hit him in the side but barely penetrate skin. Earning him another brief stay in the hospital. His luck was running out though a few months later while walking across the bridge in the middle of nowhere what it auto. It's suddenly blew up shrapnel. It editor shot twice and then he blew up yes and he was married to Teresa. This is the unluckiest man ever. Marrying Theresa was the worst was actually the worst part. I'm sure he was like shrapnel. Shnell that'd be met my way. Yes doc ID married to the devils agee very much. Chappel from the explosion ripped through arms and legs in the explosion back to the ground. Luckily nor her for no there would be no more close calls wait. He survived that yes. They had to make the three more kids together. Yannis arrive and then after all. He's still has to go back. To Theresa Yeah. Yeah he's like please don't bomb it. I did nothing. He's like I can still do it. I can still do it. His latest injuries earned Huma trip stateside and he spent several months recovering at Oakland Naval Hospital by June nineteen sixty. Six Theresa was seven months pregnant in ear to settle down with nor on July ninth. Nineteen Sixty six young couple drove to Nevada and exchanged vows in front of the local judge. It was Robert's first marriage entries is second both Regal Eager to settle into their new roles and rented a small apartment in Sacramento to maybe she just like wide open spaces and she just frustrated with every species. Abbas tiny 'cause everybody has always said that their houses were small in all the articles they lived in a small house they lived in a small apartment like maybe she just maybe thanks. Small houses a nice way of saying that they didn't have a lot of money. Yeah I suppose. Two months later on September twenty seventh nineteen sixty. Six Theresa gave birth to their third child of Girl Theresa name the Child. Susan Marlene northern learn. Less than three months. Later Theresa was pregnant again three months after Susan. Yes shed on September Fifteenth Nineteen Sixty Seven. She bore Robert his first son. William Robert Nor a second son remember that name it will be on the test. As second son Theresa's Fifth Breath Child was born on December thirty first nineteen sixty eight keeping her older half brother in mind. Theresa named the Boy Robert Wallace nor so. She's at five at this point. So we have Howard Sheila Susan William in Robert Robert continued to serve serve in the military so he was still he seems like a great guy he actually I think he was. I think he was. I'm sure you probably had awards. From so many times of being deep shot and blown up to Robert continued to serve in the military but his diminish abilities left him few options and he was forced to work as a burial escort. The job wasn't without its perks but often I don't know what the fine the per- notices it boggles seeing all the antique coffin. Okay here it often reported Robert to leave his family. unannymous notice that was the perfect okay back in chiming halfway around the country. fucking Theresa Disliked Roberts New job and regularly voiced her opposition just as she did with Clifford she began accusing him of infidel Tempers often flared and Theresa took her anger out on the children. According to Dennis McDougal McDougal author of mother. Stay book the The book. Mother's Day Theresa would often punish them by forcing them to sit on the floor without moving if they budge an inch moved and I should become angry in slap them. Whenever that didn't work she would lock them in a closet or four speed them until they were ready to collapse so she was a very specific type of abuser? She would force feed her kids but also starving kids as punishment Sushi force feed them sometimes and then she would starve them. Sometimes and in the episode of Evil Lives here. They said that she they would just be in their room and she would come and be like why are you talking about me. You're laughing anatomy behind my back. And that would send her off in a spiral and then she would start chewed. Make them all the kids. Come down and sit in the middle of the living room floor still still for all night long or she'd wake them up in the middle of the night until your math legitimately what she met. I don't think she had mental illness on diagnosed an entry mental illness. You don't think she was on any hard drugs alcoholic and she was. I remember hearing that to the stores was she. She would to keep him up all night and just like bizarre weird shit by June nineteen. sixty-nine Robert could no longer take theres's allegations and sudden outbursts. Leaving his children in behind he packed up what few belongings he had and moved out to a certain retaliated by filing for divorce on grounds of extreme cruelty but a few weeks later they reconciled and she dimissed dismissed charges regardless as much as Robert wanted to make the marriage work. It was far too late one year. Later Theresa again file for divorce in an ironic twist judge Charles W Johnson the same Kazeem bucking judge edge. No fucking that resided over Theresa's murder trial granted. The couple divorced on June third. Nineteen seventy two months. Later Theresa gave birth to for Sixth and final child. A girl she named after herself Theresa Marie Nor following the Divorce Robert tried to visit his children. But Theresa did not want anything to do with him and repeatedly denied him the right to see them. Robert eventually gave up in remarried which it is sad it is sad. It's really sad. Those kids really needed him. Theresa didn't stay single for long. She was looking to mingle suit she. Soon Begin. Dating a railway Grail way worker named Robert Poem in Nineteen Seventy one they married and shortly after purchased a house in East Sacramento to outsiders. They seem like a perfect family. But before long history began to repeat itself and Teresa began trading Ronald take possession rather than parter just as she did with a stealth Thorn Sperry. Teresa began leaving her children at home with Ronald while she went out and party party. Eventually she stopped coming home. Altogether Ronald was convinced that she was seeing another man and filed for doors on September. Twenty seventh nineteen seventy two you with judge Charles W shots again reciting. The divorce was granted like what the fuck is. Only one this in this Dallas are only one touch in Sacramento criminel. It's pretty bad when you could like play drinking game. Just saying his name in this episode of crazy is he literally only judge in the Seventies in Sacramento. I guess with her newfound. Freedom Theresa spent the majority of time drinking at the American Legion Hall in Rio Linda. It was there that she met fifty nine year old Chet Harris the copy desk editor at the Sacramento newspaper. The to seem to hit it off well and were married. August third nineteen seventy-six just three three days after their first meeting three days. She must have like this magic vaginas made out of gold and it's gold and let yes. It's crazy it's three days. Yes in why does show is go to. The Legion is up the place to go on the American A it was immediately obvious to theresa that she had made yet another bad mistake shortly after moving with her new husband. She discovered that one of his favorite hobbies. Abe's with taking photographs of new women. Totally consensual by the way consensual nude photographs. Okay so that's not really that bad. In fact. His bedroom walls walls were covered with that. He wanted to read them. All paper. someone to do little news okay but if you were the girlfriend would you really want to walk into your boyfriend's room or husbands room. Whatever and it's covered in making women wallpaper stat would be live? I've made a mistake. Go on that one that it should have actually looked at your wallpaper before we got married. There's a Lotta Pussy here. His office it was seventy only got. It was yeah wallpaper control new target DOT com. He wanted to reset opposed for him but she refused. While Theresa may have hated her new US her daughter Susan grew close to him and by all accounts. It not in a weird way. Okay in like father other daughter kind of way. Yeah I mean it could have been weird but nothing nothing so I read said that it sounds like he. I mean sounds like he's popular popular too. Yeah Hutter Susan grew close to him in. The two would often spend hours together working on Jigsaw Puzzles and discussing mythology. She was a Weirdo relationship between her daughter. And Harris Anger Theresa while she wasn't particularly close to any children she she didn't feel that anyone else should step in and try to assume her role on November twenty second nineteen seventy six two months after the marriage began theresa file for divorce with judge. Charles Johnson once again presiding so the same fucking judge differ like Hey Bischoff yes. Please take shot during the Or you're GONNA see Judge Charles Johnson. Because he's the only judge left yet the world. The paperwork became final on December seventeenth thanking seventy six like. This guy was even worse. Warnings of Johnson's last court appearances and he retired two months later. This divorce. If Theresa was on AH cliff verging between sanity and insanity this last divorce sent her over the edge she really ramped up. After this lizard surfaced her fifth the fifth divorce she was married six times in. This was her fifth divorce following her latest divorce. Therese's children notice a remarkable change in her behavior. She started to end and this was about the time where she was abused. Say Yes. She was abusive like she wasn't that bad. No no she was that she is when it really became detrimental to their lives. Because she didn't have anybody raining her in at this point and she Donahue a berry very deep dark place in her life and alcoholism she is scary. She started Cardi to drink even more and began putting on a great deal of weight. Her attitude became worse with each day and the abuse towards their children's severely increased quote. When we were kids? My Mom beat the shit out of us a lot. Her daughter Terry told Dennis McDougal the Madonna McDougal years later. And he's the one who wrote the book book One of the books if we quote if we hugged her mom too much it was like who are we trying to convince what's that we loved her. She loved us on the other hand. If we didn't hug and kiss and tell her we loved her then we didn't love her and we were evil children. We we were demon seeds that had been given to her by Bob nor and quote Jesus by any these court children Brin Larry Older Brothers William and Robert agreed quote sometime around. When I turned ten she started becoming abusive real short tempered Williams said quote? She stopped going out seeing friends at all on any level. She got rid of the telephone because she didn't want anyone calling. We weren't allowed to have anybody inside. The House. Should have a fucking phone. Oh she got rid of it quote. When I was growing up I hated the Brady Bunch because I knew that nobody live? I like that said Robert Will. I knew that because I knew what my family life was like. Nothing could be more different from the truth than that bullshit. TV show. I grew up in an insane saint asylum basically. But what's worse is we didn't know it was insane asylum and quote. I can you imagine just the trauma that these psychological logical physical trauma. These kids lived through like it's no devastating. No it's awful. It's the more Theresa Theresa drank the crew as she became on one occasion. She even through steak knives. Our children okay so on Wikipedia or maybe on murder pedia another pardon murder Previa. She would come home and if she didn't throw knives that our children she would fucking lick them in the kitchen in front of her kids. I don't know what is more terrifying G- walking into the kitchen and seeing you're crazy ask mom licking steak nine. You know. She was all like fuck enamored with their hair. All crazy crazy inner island or running into the Lickin state night yeah. She's all sloppy in buffalo years ago. Oh God terrifying 's gross. This episode is like more scary in our holy that themselves. I guess we should have done this for Halloween. 'cause we've the this is the worst of the worst we really should have really ended up from from bigfoot. Yeah during another one of her Benji. She grabbed Terry by the arm and held twenty. Two Carol pistre Piss pissed pistol to the girls head. Oh my God. Four months afterward. Her daughter suffered tear it for months afterward. Her daughter suffered terrifying nightmares a home like as if the mental torture wasn't Enough Teresa started beating the children on a regular basis forcing them to take turns holding each other down while she administered blows from above. That is so fucked up to it's like fucked up. She's doing it and then to pen them against each other like that in which he would say is if you don't hold them down your getting the beating. Yeah so they were forced to definitely theresa eventually got the idea in her head. That Chester Harris had turned her daughter. Susan into a witch. It's it's not know where the idea I came from. I'm thinking because they talked about mythology. Maybe she got it twisted but Susan began taking advantage of it and would use use it against her mother. She would regularly say that Harris was going to initiate her into his Colt by flowing her in the name of Satan so Susan would like egg her on and it was probably the only way. They're Mama Lever. The fuck away was five minute self-defense. Yeah it was her only self. Susan was able to like your fucking idiot. Obviously I'm not a witch. She were doing puzzles. You dumb ass fucking puzzles to Susan. I think thought that it would scare her away and kind of like spare her from any kind of abuse that it really just. Oh it Rampura it ramped up. The story didn't seem to spare Susan any abuse. It should begin suffering. The worst of reese's glows eventually. Susan ran away from home. Her freedom was short lived and she was eventually picked up by truancy officer and placed in CETERA memorials Psychiatric Ward during her. Stay at the hospital student. Susan Toll Counselors about her family life and regular a beatings when confronted with her daughters allegations Theresa claim that her daughter was lying and suffered from mental problems. No one questioned. Her and Susan was turned over to her mom cheese knowing question. No one questioned her once back home. Susan is in received one of the most severe beatings of her life. Theresa Don a pair of leather gloves and struck her daughter repeatedly afterward she forced the other children to join in. We had to pass the quote. We had to pass the gloves around one to the other and hit Susan in the stomach for what she did. The family by running away in everything Robert recalled to Dennis McDougal years later I had a hitter twice because I didn't hit her hard enough the first time. And at this point Theresa didn't want her daughter running away again so there's two different versions in this article. Recoil in this essay it it says that she would handcuffs. WHO's into the bed and forced the other children to take turns? Keep Keeping Watch over for her and then in lips here. It said that she handcuffed her to a table like at the kitchen table. The base of a kitchen table so it. It doesn't really matter what she was handcuffed to. She was handcuffed and forced to stay in the House night and day. It might have been both love it. Yeah it was there from one to the other probably West School was out of the question and Theresa did not permit her daughter to attend eventually. Theresa's his torment broke Susan's will and she was allowed to sleep alone in unshackled. Eventually the fear of another serious beating capture in line in one thousand nine hundred eighty you to theresa got a wild notion that Susan was putting spells on her forcing her to gain weight. Susan denied the allegations but her protests fell upon deaf ears and theresa flew into a violent rage before any of the other children knew what was happening. They heard a single shot right now. Susan began gasping and felt the floor blood poured out of her chest. She was writhing in pain. Theresa had shot her own daughter with a twenty two caliber pistol. She had once used to threaten Terry after a brief pause Theresa ordered the children to carry their injured history to the bathroom in place or in the Tub Theresa did not want the police involved so unbalance with out of the question. The bullet had not passed through Susan's body but it was too deep to remove from open. Wounds Theresa decided to leave it in been patched her daughter with ause and bandages. While she's in the Baptists and for the next month Susan Sisters looked after her in the bathtub. Terry and Sheila took turns feeding and bathing her and eventually Susan fucking recover she recovered and she was able to rejoin the family from out of the test. So fucked in November nineteen eighty-three Theresa. Inner children moved into apartment in or Sacramento things. Were back to normal quote normal. What air wherever thaddeus normal for them for the trees? I don't I don't I don't know but then in July nineteen eighty. Four Theresa Gotten a heated argument with Susan in stabbed her daughter in the back of the Pera scissors yet. God that's not even a sharp easy thing to stab into somebody. It's it's crazy. The injuries were not life threatening but serious nonetheless. Susan was getting tired of the daily abuse and a few weeks later. She asked her permission to move out so during this time and I got this from wikipedia Theresa had forced Susan into prostitution to support the family. So Susan was going out. She was a sex worker And she was making money and then bringing that money back to the family to support the family because I think theresa was living on some kind of disability and it just wasn't enough to support the family. She had made Susan after she was she recovered from the gunshot. She was forced into sex work to reset so she asked permission to move out. Surprisingly to recent agreed lead but there was one. Stipulation Theresa wanted to remove the bullet that remains lodged in her daughters back. Susan reluctantly agreed. Need a few days later. The surgery began. This is awful. Teresa started the operation by giving her daughter a handful of Mela real. Oh capsules and a court of hard liquor the concoction worked and before long Susan was completely unconscious. Theresa then receipt Retreat in exacto knife from the medicine cabinet and ordered fifteen year old Robert to cut into his sister's back. Retrieve the bullet Theresa Bar orders from overhead as he made the incision before long he had cut through several layers of skin and muscle tissue and then using his fingers. Robert searched searched around inside the wound until he filing located and remove the bullet. I think by this time William the older brother and Howard the older brother they are in doubt yes. The next day Susan woke up in horrible pain no obviously Theresa gave her antibiotics an IB But the medicines didn't seem to have an effect and she kept getting worse after few days is turned yellow and she could no longer control her her bowels. At one point Terry notice black marks on Susan's back which he later concluded were from internal bleeding as a result intrusive truces last beating on July sixteen nineteen eighty four to duct tape Susan's mouth shut bound her arms and legs. Afterwards she packed up. All the girls belongings into trash bags in order bill. An Robert to put Susan in the car. They drove south on highway at eighty nine. So she called William who is bill in this Essay she called William over because he wasn't living at the house as you made them come back and show made didn't come back and help take Susan's body takes his his body. They drove south on highway. Eighty nine and eventually pulled off the road by square. Rake Bridge which bill and Robert were then ordered to take Susan out of the car in character down to the creek. Bed Theresa brought down garbage bags and then doused everything including Susan in gasoline and struck a match now in this. According to the books it was Susan that did it but according to evil lives here it was one of the boys that did it so I don't know actually Dow string gasoline in lit on fire. There's two to different two different accounts of that either way. It was in the orders of the mothers. Let's say it was her. Yes yes that's a good point. Everyone made their way back to the car and no one looked back. Things around the nor house remained quiet and Sullen during the weeks following Susan's death. But eventually Ashley Everything went back to normal so I'm thinking they're normal for their family was regular beating is in constant rage and screaming and so oh during late spring ninety-five Theresa decided to supplement her small-state assistant income by having Sheila work as a sex worker. So she may. Susan work is a sex worker and then when she was twenty Susan had been murdered in eighty four so been a year almost so she sent that she would to work as a sex worker. Sheila was horrified at her mother's plan but she was also not going to disobey because she saw what happened to Susan when she disobeyed before long she low was bringing home hundreds of dollars a day and Theresa seemed almost proud of her daughter. She she eased up on the daily beatings and she was allowed to go. Come and go as she pleased in a twisted sense becoming a sex worker occurring force into sex work like set her free essentially a sex slave william more freeing than living in her home. They'd be Theresa's daughter in May nineteen eighty five. She lives freedom was brought to a sudden end. Theresa suspected that her daughter was pregnant and it also accused of having a venereal disease which theresa claims she got from her daughter by using the same toilet and I don't even think she ever narrow disease. I knew also I can't get them from a toilet seat. I also think she just was had a yeast infection probably probably she was beaten black and blue before being unhugged tied in locked in a tiny closet next to the bathroom it was excruciatingly hot within the closet. But Theresa left strict orders to the other children. The door was to be kept closed at all times and they were not permitted to give her any food or water now. Terry said that she slept she a beer at one point and She would bag bag to come out of the closet she quote. She wanted she to confess. Terry said years later quote. That was mother's way beat them until they confess. Sheila did eventually confessed but therese accuser lying and the punishment continued the the third day of she was incarceration family. Her allow thump coming from the closet and it was a last sound that they heard from Sheila three days later three days later so they heard a noise and three days later they opened the door they discovered she was decomposing body curled up in a fetal position like to apparently she had tried. Hi decline some of the small shelves in the closet. They weren't strong enough to hold her way in. She came crashing down. That was dumped that they heard Theresa the grabbed an old cardboard box and filled it with blankets and pillows. She ordered her two sons. So she again called William Back to the house who wasn't living in there and and in the evil lives here. She blamed hoping one hundred kids brainwashed. Manipulated Nathan if they told on on their mother that they would also be killed they will be killed but they thought they want the police. The police would think that they involved in the murders and that they would be going to prison. Yeah I I mean they watch their mom kill two other siblings so they thought they would either be killed by their mother or be blamed for the murder right if they told right in a treats grabbed an old cardboard boxes walks and filled it with blankets and pillows. She ordered her two sons to play. She was remains inside carried out to the car. Everyone did as they were told and eventually they were driving up interstate eighty towards the truckee airport along the way Teresa spotted a small field in decided to pull off the road. She ordered the boys to unload her sisters cardboard casket get in toss it in the weeds. A few hours after the box was dropped off. Elmer Barbour was making his usual rounds at the Medicine Creek Creek Campground and stumbled upon the homemade casket. His curiosity got the best of them. Any lifted the flaps of the box open when he saw what he saw inside would prove to haunt him for the rest of his life. Almer quickly notified the Nevada. County sheriff's department and within hours the area was swarming with investigators gators nonetheless. They were unable to make a positive identification and there were very few clues to work with. The victim was dubbed Jane Doe Number Six six zero seven slash eighty five and her cause of death was listed as undetermined. Theresa was extremely paranoid annoyed after she lives staff and became concerned that the closet contain evidence which might someday implicate her in her daughter's death so on September. Twenty twenty nine nine hundred ninety. Six Theresa packed up all the family's belongings and order Terry to set the house on fire using charcoal lighter. Fluid Terry Douse as the floors in struck a match before climbing out a side window regardless traces intent neighbors immediately noticed the fire and the local fire department was dispatched. The scene there was little damage done to the home and investigators had no doubt that the blaze have been started deliberately but nothing came out of it. Nothing came from that fire and as far as the neighbors noticing. Anything there The neighbors said that they kept themselves and they were never allowed to go outside and they didn't see they didn't go to school. They didn't go to the doctor. They didn't go to the dentist so nobody in their life was able to even realize they were missing so nobody. They didn't know anybody outside of their family so nobody no friends. No extended family neighbors noticed that they were missing pitching. They're both of these cases are big lesson in. If you see something say something. Thank yes if you see a kid that if something doesn't feel right or seem right it's not gonNA hurt anything to call somebody who can do a wellness check on a family right because if those parents aren't doing anything wrong that's fine. They might get a little annoyed. They're not gonNA know who said they get more than annoyed. They get pissed. Yeah but they're not gonNA know who sent them. It's not like they're going to say. Oh Oh they do they do. They say you're not supposed to they're not supposed to be a mandated reporter. I I there's a lot of jobs that have required mandate reviewers and I will report things because it was my philosophy that I'd rather be wrong. Yes yes that's what I'm in a rather how the appearance speed upset than have you been have me be complacent into For Child Abuse. which ought have you not say something like this happens? Yeah I totally agree with they a lot of the Times. It's mistakenly slipped. They wouldn't say a name but they would say where unknown the parents would be will fuck it. Who cares what people are mad at? You see something say something and I've had to report multiple cases and I just had to say like Yawn. I would rather take a rage filled parent come at me then not say anything anything totally. That was more important to me. So yeah if if something doesn't feel right please report it. It might save a life. Truly Theresa's racist children were all grown up by the time she went into hiding Howard. Twenty six wanted nothing to do with her William William Twenty four year old William moved out. He wanted nothing to do with removed in with a girlfriend. Terry Teresa's namesake also. Left her mother. She was only sixteen sixteen the baby so she was like I'm sixteen. I have no life skills but I am out of here. She actually used Sheila's identification Shen and she was able to pass herself off his twenty one. Theres's only remaining child nineteen year old Robert Wallace nor her was. That's the only one that remained with her is robber. I wrote that to the second to the youngest weird. Yeah he eventually. The two of them eventually moved to Vegas together. I mean it says things were going well in the beginning. Bet like they were never really going well on November nineteen ninety one in November nineteen ninety-one Robert desperate for money walked into red's place a bar in North Nella on North Nellis Boulevard in Vegas pulled out a gun and and The details remained sketchy but in the end the bartender was left dead at the foot of the bar so cheese. I I don't know what happens. I duNNo. Investigators arrested Robert for the murder and he was later to sixteen years of jail. Sixteen Burke Theresa was nervous about all the attention and a few weeks later she fucking ditch robber and moved to Salt Lake City in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty two terry who has since married so tears. Her youngest daughter was watching an episode of America's most wanted while none of the cases related to her family. They inspired her to do the right thing and she contacted Nevada authorities police Sergeant Ron Para Nevada County California sheriff's office received the call Kerry told him that years earlier her mother and her two brothers killed her sister by dousing her gasoline and setting her afire. God the next year. She told them they killed her other sister and dumped her body in the mountains para was a treat by the young woman's unbelievable tale decided to interview her in person. Okay so this was a second time that Terry had reached out to law enforcement the first time she did. Nobody believed yeah The the following day Perea I think Perea met with Terry interviewed her for several hours. He took notes and He took his note to the district. Attorney's office and a task force was assembled to check out the story. Investigators soon discovered that the Jane Doe reports in all the the details terrier given them head had fallen into place on November Fourth Nineteen ninety-three investigators filed felony charges against Theresa and her two sons William was found in a Sacramento suburb where he worked at a warehouse in live in a peaceful neighborhood investigator. Soon learned Roberts previous arrests and found him in Nevada County jail. Neither of the boys were interested in talking to investigators but both eventually relented glinting confessed to their involvement in both sister's death. Five days later California. Investigators received a call from Salt Lake City authorities telling them to reset been tracked down by a driver's license application in. She just been arrested five days earlier for Drunk Driving Sergeant John Fitzgerald of the Plaster County. A sheriff's office flew to Salt Lake City and headed for the address listed on traces license application. Just before nightfall. He knocked on the door and surprisingly thinly theresa answered without hesitation and then was arrested. Investigators acted not a moment. Too Soon Theresa was aware of the investigation. Chan was in the process of packing her belongings. Shed back at the police station. She refused to cooperate in request. A lawyer Tracy was charged in the torture slayings every two daughters daughters and arraigned in a Salt Lake City courtroom on November Fifteenth Nineteen ninety-three according to the articles in the Sacramento Bee. She was extradited to plaster counting the following nine month arraigned before Superior Court. Judge j Richard Cousins and Charlie hoping it was going to be the same judd I know right and charged with two accounts murder two counts of conspiracy to commit murder and two special circumstances multiple murder and murder by torture charges which could result in a death sentence. I didn't Theresa pleaded not guilty. fucking crazy bitches where am was remanded to the Sacramento County. Jail the same day judge cousins. Order William Robert Nor prosecuted as an adult Robert eventually struck a deal with prosecutors and agreed to testify against Theresa in exchange for a lighter sentence. One Matt later all charges against him except a single count of conspiracy regarding Sheila's death dropped when theresa learn of the deal. Robert made with the District Attorney's office. She decided she did not WanNa take her chances with the death sentence and she offered to plead guilty in exchange for her Lights District Attorney John Mara Mayra agree on October. On October Seventeenth Nineteen ninety-five Theresa Chart Changed her pleaded guilty during sentencing. Judge William R Ridgeway characterized. Therese's crimes callousness beyond belief. I mean that's a fucking understatement and sentenced to two consecutive life. Sentences Theresa will be eligible for parole in twenty twenty seven. If she lives to see it. She'll be one years of yes. She's eligible for parole never quavering quaintly crazy Robert who was still serving out. His murder charge in Nevada was eventually sentenced to three years in state prison. The court ordered the sentences run concurrently with his nineteen ninety. One Murder Sentence William was placed on probation for his role in the murders in order to undergo therapy. The kids were really not not at fault for those crimes. No they weren't So fucking crazy bitch are never get stuck in jail prison. I hope so. Oh I hope she. Doesn't you know poor. Those poor kids poor Susan in poor. Sheila it's just really sad and that is a story of a murder. That's a case of Sheila in Susan nor the murders of Sheila Susan or at the hands of her mother. You did a great job so sad. I mean I didn't write that. Ah I just I just read the essay by now but that's really awful so now get this. I have a connection to this case. Personal connection to in this case are ready to have goosebumps over your entire body. Yes do it can't do it to me all right. So in in now this was in northern took place northern California the Sacramento area Well in nineteen ninety four. My biological the mother was out dancing on my God on Sunrise Boulevard and guess who she met fucking guests. Who William fucking nor the guy that was in the evil of here? Yes Oh my guess so my aunt and my mom were out doc. Dancing it William. was there with his best friend. This is nineteen ninety four. Looks like right after. Oh he was going through the trial Oh shit at at the time we got all right so my mom goes out with her sister. My Aunt my aunt sees this guy. They have immediate sparks. His best friend is William nor are there. They're together so my answer stating his best friend. My Mom starts dating William Nor my God for a few months during the trial. Cut A for a few months for a few months. I thought it was just one day. No they dated for a few months ago so could even date somebody what he's going to trail wasn't he stressed rest out. I don't think he was on trial. I think he was just mother Andrea just he was already a waste to rotation and therapy. I mean that's fair that he would be sentenced to therapy. Fuck knows they all needed after. That is so crazy. Yeah E. seemed on the episode. So he seemed like such a normal poking dude that I commented other people like how could this guy to see like a normal sweet guy. Pay That which of a mom so I asked my mom. I said mom what what was he like. And she was like supposingly normal. She said he was funny. He was nice and he was by all accounts. Talk seemed totally normal except for one thing. She said that he was detached very detached. He felt very detached from any kind of connection. Won't when it's probably like a coping mechanism that he's learned right. I only make sense. Yeah I'm sure it that's just another a a hate to walk away with just detachment from admission shit. That's like what we were talking about before like the nature versus nurture thing. It's like he went through all of this and grew up almost a great guy. And Guess What Cases William Nor will she said called a will nor was the the last guy that she dated before she met my Stepdad. Oh my God and she said the only reason she stopped talking to will nor was because my Stepdad. Who she eventually married was like were boyfriend and girlfriend? You know like the thing. So she said years ears Stepdad. Hatton a swooped in William Down Yeah that's the sound of my mind blow. Those are actually our very high tech sound effect. That was getting a good for him for overcoming all of that. And then you know the living a good life yeah. They're still friends to this day. I say props to these kids. That are survivors. That's the story is really about about. I mean friends on social media. I don't like hang out or anything that's still friends but I mean can you believe it. No I can't that's pretty amazing and can you believe it. No that's pretty amazing and I'm happy that you ended yours on a higher note. Yeah because these are some down man. By all accounts accounts it seems like Terry has moved on and is living her life. Robert obviously is in prison. He might be out by now. I'm not sure he had sixteen years in was serving his time on consecutively because he was a lot more involved in the day to day. With Theresa Than William William had like left the house as soon as he could get any. Obviously Robert Never lefter. Yeah Yeah So. That is our first top shelf episode and that brings this to the end. Yeah I talk show episode. Sorry you're feeling depressed. Gosh let's let's raise. Maybe maybe you're not feeling depressed. Maybe you're feeling like you've just learned to more new true crime cases. Maybe we hope we taught you something. I think what taught you is. 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Rainn Wilson

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

2:14:44 hr | 1 year ago

Rainn Wilson

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I read that on your Wikipedia we could and then I was ready to recall bullshit. I'm you not really but I was like. I wonder if he eats meat and you stopped eating meat after you got the big yeah. I mean you nibble. It's okay the Nabal is a judgment judgment free zone an update that wicky well someone else put that on on. They're not me one hundred percent real. I don't I don't eat me but like I. There's no judgment. I thought it was interesting. One of our eighties kit on on crashing saw the shape of water and stopped eating meat and I thought that was so sweet because there's all that like remember. They're like he's being tortured and he's swimming around is like Oh. He's just an animal like there's all that sort of stuff in in there and then you got pigs and then he's eating meat because of the Creator and the tank yeah. That's the mayor of art man. Wow that'll do it to you. I feel like beautiful. I was Vegan for like eight or nine months and eight or nine minutes. Somebody came by with a title cocktail. Weiner and they said a little white castle hamburgers. I didn't mean to start. This guy's an accusatory. It's not but I do think you know look we all try to make the world a better place and I think if we eat more plants mostly plants or MCC most people people try to figure out what it's like yeah mostly plants and mostly people to train people I in the the statute the you know I I never ate meals that just were plants would always have meat as as a meal sure to try and discipline myself to like have an actual fucking meal that doesn't have a chicken breast on it or a slice of salmon or something like that well. That's where I'm FELICIA and I. I currently have a bit about that where I'll occasionally eat fish like if I'm mildly inconvenience like if I am I just did a show at the Lucky Eagle Casino outside out of Seattle your hometown how to couple hours. I don't know Easter it's got to be used right east of Seattle and there was just nothing to eat and I was going on and I just went ahead and made some fucking fucking salmon so I am King Bullshit just know that but I thought it was interesting you had pigs and that you bonded with them that you enjoy these these little squiggly tail a little butter cups. Can I show you this video. I'd like to see it and I'm going to describe it for the PODCAST. Listeners don't raise let them sit. There and discomfort art has what looks like a phone only available to celebrities this kid. I'm petting the rawhide skin skin of something and pull back to reveal pig sprawled out on his side exposing his belly snorting ten and then his sister Amy's coming over because she wants to get petted to aw those two pork pie hats in the backyard yeah doing smoking cigarettes yeah. They're just hang hanging out. We should go interview them and you ever had pigs on a podcast before. I wish which I can think of somebody. There's so many podcast these days. I'm surprised there's not like a podcast with interview. Pigs pigs say the darndest thing. I bet there's a pig lover podcast. I mean there's this podcast for everything out there. So many I went to get I snore and I got a mouthguard asleep appliance. They call it. Yeah Yeah my sleep. Dr Has a podcast on sleep yeah you like. He meets his doctor. Rabinowitz has his own podcast about sleep so everyone's gotTa podcastone no. Do you have a guest. I've got a few yeah you have soul pancake soul pancake metaphysical milkshake with the Raza that you were so kindly on. That's just just launching the new one yes. How did you hook up with Ostlund so he was a guest on this show yeah. He's very smart fellow. He has a very smart guy. I've met him a few times through the grapevines once so I'm a member of the Baha'i faith face and there's this whole thing where the highs in off Iran back off with your preaching converted you talk off-mike after I did your podcast that you were like in your experience. People don't WanNa hear about it. I thought that was so interesting because what I met you. I was like all I wanna do is hear about this groovy faith that I know much about and you were like I've tried but we're cut from the same cloth in that way pete. That's when I read your book. I was like this is like my brother brother from another mother because just comedy and spiritual journeys is what I'm all about your didn't I wasn't I having what are you talking about. Raza don't worry. I'll oh I'll interrupt. Are we going to come back. Okay don't bring it back usually six times out of fifteen. I'll bring it back. What fraction is that. Okay six fifteen. It's it's roughly have my son is fourteen could break that down into it really yeah. He's a smarty pants. It's two fifths to fit yeah two fifths of the time you'll bring back. Oh my goodness the same as fifteen's radial very confused yeah. I don't like this. This makes me feel the panic of school again. So what's the question you you ran into reser because so he was a speaker at an event about how highs in its native. Iran are being terribly terribly terribly persecuted and their rights are totally demolished and he spoke on a panel and I met him there and then I met him at another prevent and then we had coffee and then his Jesus book was event and you're not there. It's probably a pretty bad behi- event. It's so lame. It's hilarious. It's a benefit for Bahamas. That'd be like be there and I get there and you're not there like other. Behi- I only want you. There's other by a few used to be the only Behi- celebrity like everyone every Behi- Hi and Topeka and Lake Baba Shah would call me like would you come do this event and now there's other by celebrities who Justin Baldoni who Jane the Virgin Pen Badgley from gossip girl and and these are Yukon hurt and he became converts is a strong word yeah new finders of the only fame uh-huh that's it they were. That's it yeah. Andy grammer the singer Songwriter. Oh you know keep your anyway yeah okay. I don't know anybody so there's a bunch now to choose from but there's a behind event without one of us for Boys News News Fast Lettuce News so you met Raza Eh Event Acuna about his Jesus book in a Church that was live streamed Berry Phil Hater now. There's a famous Christian dude in. La Name Berry have you met that Berry Guy as bearing of Nassar Zone around we dropped the hall of of this Guy Berryman he would know this Guy Berry. It's buried the Christian I bury the the Lord Lever he's English and he's got tattoos and he does like kind of alternative. Christian services little theaters and Hollywood and whatnot you know is he. No I don't know who he helped host that anyway so that's how I got to know Raza and and we both have a great interest in both showbiz and spirituality and religion and faith and big ideas and he was a big pancake fan for a a long long time and so we talked about doing a podcast together which has been great I don't how do you feel do you like hosting podcast by yourself. Wouldn't you rather have a partner. Oh that's an off my conversation meaning. I'll tear into the idea of tethering your podcast to another person a wow on Mike Mike well. It's not that vicious. We were there in the room with me and resin. That worked out pretty well. It's not that the dynamic in the room yeah necessarily out. There were a few moments where you're like Raza and he was like I'm GonNa get you. There is a little bit yeah. I'm just suspicious standing versus Improv right like it's almost like our thing there. I'm like no I wear wells versus vampire. I like elves dwarves but we should have an alliance. We're friends. We're all in the same token world. We're on the same page guys. ELVES dwarves would just unite they do mentally Kawata and great. I feel like the office is what happens when stand ups and Improv kind of have have relations right. I can't really really think of any steps on that track but they go. I knew there was one yeah old beach yeah the Novi but what I'm saying is I'm not saying the art form of stand up in the art former Improv. I'm actually talking about business and I sort of hate this part of myself. I don't really hated but it's utilitarian. It's almost like on the spectrum or something to do this podcast. I had to coordinate with Katie. That's the end if I had to court like when we first we're going to do this. I was thinking of doing you made it weird with a friend and I don't know if that friend would have made it for five five years and hundreds of episodes and I don't know if that friend would have grown with the podcast in the way like it didn't start as spiritual podcast. It took a goofy left like my book halfway through hard so now that's all I really WanNa talk about and if there was like a host with me you guys already know yourselves better than I knew myself when I started this show. There's this sort of like cold utilitarian like do it yourself like fifty pete. UN Raza were old. I look older than fifty. He looks younger within fifty but you know what I like because when I gave you a hug people know this soft no your broad. He got like broad like when you think dry white shirt like pictionary clue is dwight shoot. I'm young like a beanpole sorta like news Michael and when I meet you I'm like if someone broke in my house else. I'd call you all the police that'd be like rain gum and I started studying Kung. Fu Dude you man. I just like like pointing out when people have like a hidden sort of when I saw you come in the room to metaphysical milkshake. I had no idea that giant is I couldn't the two of you are really loved your shows and senior standup and had no idea you were that when dishes. I have to town downpl six six six on stage because I'm six five and a half but when I edition for something I am six five because every actor is three foot to yeah and they're all just like in scenes scenes with me and I look like I'm gonna eat their bone. I'm here to here. You know what I'm saying you towered over most of the people on on the American the Office of intellectual what had let's talk about the more interesting. Though when did you read my book I was a what is this kid is how he put it. Is that how you were have. You always been sort of curious universe curious reality curious a high curious that is so funny. What a treat you are. Thanks feet high curious I carry it was a an example in a dictionary of type of joke. I would make it a guy that would say behind curious. I'm getting into homes zone right zone. Step into the zone so so oh I grew up. Behi- and you were raised it I was raised in a weird Bohemian dysfunctional family A. in the suburbs of Seattle but one thing is really do is they promote kind of deep conversations about philosophy vi and spirituality and everything else we had seek friends we had sufi friends friends but acquaintances that would come with they were in a dialogue encouraging a dialogue how do you there's a Sikh temple in my neighborhood and always trying every time my landlord in Brooklyn was a rabbi yeah. I'm always dropping hints like. Would you please just like break it down but like you. I have a hard time finding people that really WanNa talk about it seeks. Do I don't know maybe they think there's no no way I'm interested in a podcast together. I know but I should ditch. Raza and you should should bring me on after my adamant. You must go it alone. You can't headcount on anyone you must be but I was always interested in those questions and your parents would bring these people by that yeah in the way born agains or watch towers would knock on the door like let them in and say would tell me they they'd be shocked. It'd be so they'd be like Giddy kids in a candy store. Oh my God here's these new converts yeah and and we'd say tell us all about the Bible and what you believe and you know I remember that one time they had a pamphlet and hand this is gonNA sound really reductionist but they had like a pamphlet and Jesus was like petting ally and petting a lamb and they said in the future the lions will lay down with the lamb like literally right and I I think I think I said like thirteen doesn't that isn't that more of a metaphorical thing that people we'll traditional enemies will be works. I decided right there was an awkward pause and the and the person I even forget who they were what they looked like they kind of pointed back at the Napa know but the Lions GonNa lie down with the lamb. Oh my God like the illustration was a photograph future. They went into the future saw lion and the lamb. That's what I would get nervous. I've always I was friends with some Latter Day saints when I was reenactor. It sounds very up your alley for some reason. My mom was reenactor really she was a witch at the Salem witch trials in Salem Massachusetts. That's where I worked. You read that trying to try innocente. That's right. Where did she work. I one of those races memorable places well. A lot of them aren't great a lot of them are a little bit but this combat the witches. Dungeon Yeah Yeah Yeah which is done which would that's right and you had your girlfriend was there and yet together right and I were cornered and we would walk grounding costume and with like sneak kisses under trees and stuff it was very Christian College Rome airy pure at lawn todd and so what was I saying I was so there were were on the street handing out flyers trying to get people to come to the show which we would call a trial and they're also latter day. They Satan's out there so we were doing the same thing like they were out. You know trying to give people the book of Mormon and we were trying to get them to come to a witch trial from the past so it was we're both an interesting predicament like you were trying to convert people basically your way of seeing yes yes but they were eighteen year old boys and we fell in love with them. I'm with like if you have a bunch of time with them. You and you get the agenda to convert you out of the way they were just like sweet funny guys that were like kind of repressed like we were always trying to get them to come to the show because they were our friends but they're not allowed to do anything entertaining and we were like no. It's not entertaining. It's educational national again be able to come and I had all these like script ideas where they get in trouble and their headmaster. Whatever it's called common would have to do a really boring version of the show to make sure they wouldn't get in trouble but like I have always thought that if if latter-day saints came to my door now that I would have them come in but I worry that would get into some muck there where I'd be like. Don't you feel like that's metaphorical because that's how I would have been shot eighteen. I would've been like up. Yeah afraid of getting into muck can in muck. It's so sensitive. I don't know I feel like I'm going to hurt their feelings or something. Maybe that's okay or or it's going to bring got some nastiness in me. That'll be wabash inside but we're like flare. It's tricky. Those conversations are tough. Your parents negotiate that so here comes to seek you guys are they would they. Would you know we would share our I think from my parents. It was more about sharing the point of view like okay. I'll listen to you now. I WanNa tell you what about the Bible highs believe about Jesus yeah and so they weren't expecting that but we kind of had him cornered switch essentially locked the door so I don't know that I would do that necessarily maybe I would lead without say hey I'm. I'm happy to hear what you guys believe. If you WanNa hear what we believe but nope no one's going to convert each other. I mean like there's they're not. They're not going to become behind that are going to be like. Oh my God right. I guess this is so true. You're so locked in I went to the temple and Salt Lake City and I was walking around and I was talking to a girl and and she was. She looked like she was twelve and she was really like pitch. The company line and I was like twelve. Only what are you doing this. This isn't seen like like you're not even allowed to like think about other things which is how I was doing it sort of makes me sad my mo now if some Mormons Mormons or Jehovah's Witness or whatever came over would be like you can come in and I don't want to talk about that but you can have some cookies and you want some lemonade and stuff and just rest because that there's one thing I remember was. They were like some of the hardest working humiliated yelled footwear wars. That's what I'm saying they. It's funny that you ask because they could wear doc martens but they'd have to black out the yellow stitching. Oh Wow had very strict code about like they couldn't wear like worldly close l. Wow so they won't buy Doc Martens because they wanted to be called. That's what I'm saying a risk area there the kids teen year old kids and they just flew to Boston basically sickly and for the first time they're all from Utah different places and they're like alive and excited but they have to participate more. It's ever did his parents. Is Those the when they go. What does it on mission your mission when you because you've got to go you're teen or is it for four years. I'm not sure and Hey Siri. I'm just kidding but just not no shut up. Pete but I think for girls. It's two years for women. It's two years and it's okay three but nothing kind of bonds you to your faith belief then kind of going through hell for it yeah. No I know so. It's I've always is this is kind of a weird thing to say. I suppose I should just be like we should only be after the truth. The one that's real but like I sort of admire anybody even if their faith might not be complete clete in its current form that will sacrifice for it. I've always thought that that was. There's something romantic about it like it's one of the reasons why like the Jews for Jesus would come to our church hurt. You just know they're the most ridiculed group like juice in my experience on the Christians are also like these guys who who are you for and that is a spiritual position when everyone outcasts you yeah. That's like a good place to be but to find truth is when no one accepts you. That's why Jesus or proudly lapping is all but we were talking about this when we when we spoke off Mike Mike Yeah you said off Mike at the studio and we were talking before about. I have a podcast called off. Mike and it's the other twenty three hours not recorded it. I don't I just go around always doing it but you could have someone there listening to the off. Mike and then talk about what they heard yeah oh like like like commentary dead sort of this week on we were talking about like our people in Hollywood interested in spirituality or having these conversations and I was talking about no. I've I've really had wrote that down a difficult time with that and you were Sida said Oh everyone seems really interested in Judd Appeti- WanNa talk about it and people I wanNA talk about it but I think maybe the difference between you an' is because I am an adherent of a faith traditions. I'm I'm a vote is he. Yes I so I am A. I consider myself a now. What is is a servant to humanity a secret of the truth you know a servant servant all open to other faith traditions and seeing the divine and everything so it's very Catholic in the traditional universal universal loosen the of the word but I think because I'm a Behi- People here that in like a he's in a cult or does sound like a call from a Marketing Marketing Sanyo. I'm Bob Hi. Yeah sounds like you guys meet in a river waist-deep Christians that do I know but they don't like that either. Nobody wants because everybody in a river unless you're fishing. I need to cut out of that river. Contact the Marketing Department of the mix it up but you know what it's hard to name a religion. What would you name a religion region by me like even if you were like oh the shining. Path you know I know it's or the paradox or the you know the face of God unity congregation. Whatever traps all like yeah well? I think that's our feeling when you look at like scientology for example there are like oh it it starts with sort of like self-help stuff and then eventually they go like this is how the world was born and they sort of have a far out creation and that's how I feel like people even with highs as if you're like look at just about seeing the divinity everything why don't you come. Hey Janna from the office. Come with me to this thing and at first. It's just like you know non-resistance. It's and love and you're like cool and then at some point. They're worried that rain wasn't gonNA take your hand go by the way we babies like you think it's a bait and switch and then you see the is the pin wheels and the is spinning yes in the congregation in sense. I've had some snow just generally just out in the Hollywood world. talk about you know spirituality and I'll say I'm a Behi- and I'm here's what I'm really surprised about. Is that very very rarely. Does someone say a what's that or could you tell me about that and if I was working with someone they were like I'm at a baton Buddhist. I'd be like Oh tell me about that. How do you practice it. What do you believe what books do you read. How does that affect your life. How how long have you been one and do you have a congregation. Are there a lot of them in. La Like I have a thousand questions I would ask a seek a Buddhist a Sufi you name it but I say I'm behind and and sometimes it'll be just a quick a what's that well behind believe that there's one God and that he sends these divine teachers down and behind her followers of how a law who's the most recent of these divine teachers and that's enough. That's it boxes are checked. Okay cool. Thanks thanks so much all right cool. Hey Is there a smoothie place near here. I wrote a script up to scripts. Actually for the simpsons about spirituality and Matt grading was like you should put some stuff in there yeah. He had a behi- roommate did he yeah because he's behind faith has been in the simpsons a few times because Matt graining has a connection leary. Yes so what I'm saying. We tell him from me. Oh come on by bye bye. I love it. Thank you for making the behind jokes because Lord knows I'm thinking though this could be the short speed homes podcast because we're just going to God right away. I don't know because we we could just end right now. I feel good Ashley. Okay no Katie couric Simpson's Yep. That's not what I want to talk about. We're here to talk about you. Look at these pants. That's soft what I'm saying is. There's another world that I feel like I'm living in that. You're very close to where I think. There are lots and lots of people that are interested in it. I do find that like the interest. You're you're in your easy because you're like. I'm Kinda a Christian. I'm Kinda Buddhist Road Iowa Scam right right all of it right well. That's what we talked about off. MIC was ice start with I agree with you. It's all bullshit and then you start rebuilding from there right right because that's I've had that experience four hundred times on this podcast where people say their atheist and then like you know. Oh four five six seven eight minutes later were sort of talking about mystery like we agreed that existence is a mystery of the universe yeah yeah. I'm whereas statistic that fifty percent of atheists of confirmed atheists believe that there's something more to the universe than just molecules and physics WCHS yeah which is really interesting. I usually take it to that. It doesn't work. I know it's not always I had Julia Sweeney on replay this moment in my mind all the time I am. Do you remember this Katie. We were sitting there and we were having this. She's lovely. She's one of my favorite atheist. I wouldn't want to change her for the world. I was just going to get her perspective on this. I was like seen from a molecular perspective you and me rain right now. Katy this room scene from like your molecular perspective. It's just a swarm of wasps offs right and somewhere in this impersonal swarm of wasps some of the wasps in you will be in me. Some of them that are in me will be in this chair at some point molecules accuser moving and even dead things they're alive. They're moving. Nothing is dead. A rock is teeming with life could zoom in on it is moving. Its mounting this changing changing as warping fucked up crazy ship. It's amazing and somewhere in that dust storm consciousness arise MHM and she was just like yeah. It's something we evolved and this is something that we talked about Julian. I later this is one of my favorite Alan Watts. He goes materialize this materialists. I don't know what's wrong with my mouth today. materialists believe anything wrong with your mom ring sweet man yeah. I like you and I'm GonNA fight you okay. I will fight you for charity. I would fight you've Richard with oversized boxing gloves diapers in an oil room. Yes the crude oil but the giant oversized lawyers where we actually really try out until you tap outdo would beat the fuck out of. I don't know about that. I don't know I don't know yeah. I don't know you with your broad. NECE lissome Julia Sweeney lenient you but the replay Alan Watt says materialists say that consciousness is is made up of tiny bits of matter right like it's a phenomenon of matter like there's a certain combination of matter in your brain that produces consciousness on what says the other so consciousness is very sophisticated matter. The other perspective is that matter is very simple conscious. That's like that's the flip the script and that's where I'm at I'm saying like everything is conscious uh-huh and she's saying no consciousness phenomenon of matter. Those are the two the same street. Some of US are walking north to south some of our our walking south to north and that's fine but I think that's enough for me to go like Jesus fucking Christ like what it's a dust storm and the dust. Some of the dust goes like I'm repeater and I walk around. The thing about about atheists is to me if you're going to say to me. Even if I wasn't raised the high in your I think maybe who knows maybe that influence my thinking to such an extent that I'm not able to see objectively but I tried to spend a couple of years as an atheist as you did after I left by faith in my twenties. We're going to tell that story okay. We're GONNA stay in that chronologically. You don't have to have a I appreciate and have initials every fucking thing in the fuck on the option look at us. We're so much more here because we just sucked everything. Thank you try love nicknames the first time I met you I called you as the desert's miss the and you go on your heels. You know what I mean. I loved it. Everyone calls you rain. I WANNA I WANNA snap us out out of everyone. Calls me stupid rain nicknames and that one was really it was poetic and it was seventy and it was apt yeah. That's why you say whatever alright decide the lodge thing show. What were we talking about and then it's also to do so is disruptive. I was an atheist so if you were going to posit to me in my life okay there was just empty space then all of a sudden there was matter and energy and there was explosion molecules in and Adams all came into being and then galaxies and then and then there was there happened to be in the corner of one of a trillion trillion galaxies this little solar system and then this mud ball that was around that solar system all all of a sudden then on that on that mud ball it it came there used to just be molecules and then all of a sudden. They were like paramedics like Whoa. How did that happen too big. Jim How do you how do you go and when you take science class. They talk about it. Yeah okay here's the earth and there's all these elements and there's water and then life evolves into water and what we'll we'll. We'll wait a second wait. The second like how do para medium or Amoeba or whatever single celled organism starts swimming around in this. Oh maybe a meteorite held hit it okay or or a lightning bolt bolt can can you replicate that can you can you scientists. Can you show me Frankenstein it. It is it is hosmer logical deal and then if if you were to tell me then that then we evolved from you know bunnies into puppies into into monkeys into humans and then humans are going to be one of them's going to turn into Bob Dylan and write all those lyrics you know what I mean and one of them is going to paint you know the the boating wooding party. you know you know. One of them is going to make the. Sistine Chapel and one of them are going to sing these incredible songs and and that we're going to be having this conversation right up. I would be like that's bullshit man I can't I cannot I cannot for a second. Wrap my head around around that but that's where the common ground comes you go. There's a mystery at play. That's why I'm not surprised when you say fifty percent of atheists believe that something more is going on here because I'm trying to do well well by my atheist. Listeners atheists are just saying. I don't fuck them. I don't your fun and your broad so if you fought them they might still ah in diapers. They're just saying they don't believe in a God. They think there is no god but that doesn't mean they don't believe in no unexplainable or no mystery uh-huh thing that they don't understand and that's when I go well that is God is a metaphor for that mystery. I got just a way for us to experience and talk about it. I've it just pitched a show all around town that got rejected from every major all by called the notorious. Dod Your Fun and it's a redefinition indefinite of God's searching for God in the modern world because I do think that a lot of that just has to do with your definition vocabulary yeah. Let's drop it. That's why Eker a car toys has being. We don't have to debate the existence of being we are. We're using it to talk about it. That's what I wrote the book and say when I see two people debating the existence assistance of God I see two manifestations of being debating on how to define itself but it's weird when you're looking through a telescope and studying the solar system that's an amazing and incredible essential and important and I respect that immensely but you are overlooking that with which you are seeing. You're a part of it. You are an inexorable part of what you're studying. I think in these this day and age what we're living in is living in a day and age of reactively so everything is in reaction to something that has been and that is why every society is breaking down on so many levels and it needs to by the way you know the Metoo metoo movement yeah. Maybe sometimes it goes too far in certain ways but you know what who cares. It's rebelling against thousands thousands of years the Patriots pulling back string on a Bo- you know what I mean. Have you were pulling back on that boat that era's GonNa shoot far when you finally let it go and that's that's the react that's the appropriate reaction and it needed to happen and it's end and same with black lives matter and a lot of you know issues around a kind of the tyranny of like strict gender roles and sexuality and whatnot but everything right now is just and that how I view a lot of atheists like all talked a lot of atheists. I'll be like there. Was this film director. I worked with and I was like so. He's like so high again he goes. I'm an atheist. I'm like Oh yeah he he goes. Yes I was raised Catholic. I was dragged into Church three times a day and I was like. WHOA wait a second. Those two things don't necessarily follow okay. You were traumatized metabolized by the way that you were raised religiously. That's terrible. That's wrong. It's baby but that doesn't that doesn't necessarily mean that you're an atheist because you rejected reject that have you done the work in between the two you are right in my passion wheelhouse home. I it's all about babies and bathwater and I say four years. There's of deconstruction like tear it down. Be like nobody wrote anything about Jesus for one hundred fifty years until after he was dead it would be like if you and I just started writing about the civil war now now just based on what people were verbally talking about. That would be what it's like like okay light it on fire. You're still here. Is All of this thinking helping you plug into the phenomenon that you exist that you're hearing me that you and I are talking that we're real but that's what everything is in reaction to something here that from the past pass in the social media amplifies knee jerk reactively to what has been in the past well we need to figure out a new way of being in the future sure that certainly acknowledges the past but builds proactively something constructive between what else in the obviously this is what you mean in the present. That's that's why when I was talking about the metaphorical nature. I believe that the Bible is a history overlain on metaphor. I believe some of the things are historical. It doesn't really matter to me but then people were like well if the resurrection of Christ as a metaphor we got a big problem and I was like is this debate helping you be in the Kingdom of Heaven. Right now putting you in the moment or is it trapping us in another ego game of playing the I'm right. You're wrong game. which is the false self which is ally which is is the world not spirit at all like real spiritual? People aren't really interested in winning debates or converting proving that they're right and you're wrong. They're here ear there. That's why I love accurate toy. He has no symbol system. He has no nothing to buy or ascribe to or join. He's just saying stop it. Everything we're hearing is robbing from the moment. Here's where we differ though differ I have joined. You've joined. I've joined the Behi- yeah yeah I know so. I believe I believe in a mythology. I believe I like to use the word cosmology I ascribe to a cosmology as a believer in that cosmology now listen. I'M NOT GONNA. Try and convert you or any listener. I'M NOT GONNA say you're right. You're wrong. I'm right or anything like that but this is where it's a little little bit different from me where I am a devotee and think about that word devotee devout devotion knows three words are connected to do a religious system and I have a reason for that why don't just believe in a unified field and a yoga class and a meditation retreat. Aden my favorite Eckhart totally book and of course in miracles or whatever I choose for my spiritual smorgasbord. I have a reason for why I am in high and we'll get to that blue apron fresh hot meals. He's don't pick one of my real sponsors. I'm wearing them right now. Let's see the caller. What is it can get some free ones? I can get you some me on these. Are you kidding me yeah. They'd love some lounge pants but why why did you. Why did you choose and by the way I don't think I have to say this zero judge. I love every path up the mountain and Devote Ramdas. My Dude is is an extreme difficulty the Hindu right and Hahnemann you go to his house. There's statues him on. It's not on and it's like I guess I guess this is the thing that you're entering a little bit because I think like for the semi spiritual like a mill you you. Los Angeles has more calm got you you you you abbreviate everything vocab judge. I love it. It's kind of your thing thing. Is it now. I don't WanNa do it now that I feel like Joe Polo Pete Holmes Peo- Ray. We yeah we we eat Ito. Ito Judges Ito so this is a little bit. It's a little bit weird because for the spiritually minded in this environment it's often seen as kind of weird if you are an ascribe or to a religious Legis system that's all I'm saying I understand but why. What juice do you get out of it? Instead of being out there in the wild picking up of course miracles here taking Yoga class there you like Mike the Structure. You get there you get to a place through devotion and I'm telling you that is right in my wheelhouse. Well I'll tell you what do you get to it so there's there's a very long talk about that and I don't want to bore people so the first half of that talk which I'm not going to go into is who HOOPLA was what he taught why I believe that and how it incorporates all of religious belief into a kind of a unified theory and I buy that I believe that in my heart okay that's fine so the more you can. What is that how la also brought something else besides is kind of looking at the the spiritual theories being united but how law has brought a spiritual plan for a spiritual revolution evolution of humanity to usher forth a new age in species on a planet to reinvent everything how we do everything through a spiritual perspective and that's what turns me on so if you do a course in miracles here and Egyptian mysticism here and a Yoga Class Foss here in your that's it so great and so good for your personal transformation and it probably brings you more at peace and you spread more peace in the world so you're doing more service in the world. That's wonderful. I love of it but what the high faith has is a a systematic plan. For where do we go as a species on a planet. How how do we rethink everything spiritually because all of these systems Pete Kate K. Okay that all all of these systems that exist in the world are all in a state of collapse think of any system educational system food systems nutrition attrition Farming Economic Systems systems of the power dynamic of of white people wight imperialists subjugating the people of color and women all of these systems banking system. Can you think of other systems like they're all based on a faulty set of a machinery that's based on self interest and greed. D- And self-assertion and seeking comfort and seeking status and those are it's GonNa fall apart because because we can't do it anymore. Paid there needs to be a spiritual awakening. Send me being nice to people is fine but realizing your oneness with everything is why you're nice next level stuff going. I want to be nice to Katie so she'll keep being the tech on my podcast. It's fucking in garbage being nice to Katie because I realize fundamentally where the same thing just playing a different game changes the way that we view the world and that's when we start to drop drop the false self and the false. That's what I call. The fall self is what we're talking about when we're talking about greed but link comfort and all that sort of stuff. I I hear you amen brother. I'm with you one hundred percent yeah. Here's here's where I might differ a little bit though guessing. I thought I'd just pair did we can. I want to challenge a little bit. I love it. I'm going to say this is what a jacket and this is. Not Me trying to convince you to be a behind. This is just kind of looking at things a little bit differently because I'm glad we're able to kind of go to this because I never get to have this conversation sation yeah so let's look at the political system so hundreds of millions of dollars hundreds of millions of dollars trillions of dollars billions of dollars not trillions forget. I said trillions committed that are put into the political system into buying ads and supporting the TV stations and radio stations that run those ads in the billboards and email blasts and whatever to say Mike candidates the best. This person is terrible. Look what they did. They voted yes on this thing and they once voted no on that thing in an awful and they stand for something that is against your values so we all know an incredible amount of money and a lot of negative energy is poured into politics will like let's let's take the by faith for instance so the faith doesn't have any clergy so we're here in. Agora Hills California every year thirteen thirteen thirteen luck street ooh and every year the highs of Gory Hills get together and they elect unelected body of nine buys that govern the affairs of the community of Agora Hills and they guard the one ring. I understood they guard the sacred goat at the next election through bloodletting so the in this election in this election. No one is allowed to campaign. No one who serves has any power over anyone else and no one unlike the Agora local spiritual assembly no one on the Agora Hills local spiritual assembly they can come over to me and say rain you gotTa do you gotTa. Bring the punch to holy day. You know they can't tell anyone what did they don't have any power and how the election happens is through devotion is through prayer and meditation. Tation and it's utterly silent when you go to the election there's no talking just kind of a list of people that live in the community and you you you write down in secret ballot. the nine people that you think have the most emotional maturity and wisdom and those people are elected so so. I I bring this up to say that the electoral system is in total collapse. Would you agree to mm-hmm so we need a new system and what the by faith offers is literally the the underpinnings of what that system could be. It's a it's an actual re. Imagination of an electoral process through a spiritual lens yeah okay. Why aren't you then just campaigning in a more subtle way and aren't just asking you to bring the punch in a more less direct way like I'm from the church rich man and yeah nobody has any power there either and we're all brothers and sisters but I'm like rain. I googled your net worth. Would you my it or whatever by the way why is that when you if I put Rainn Wilson and the Google search bar the first things first thing is rain. Wilson income how much his reign was how much is worth yeah yeah it's always wife and worth yeah wife and worth the I mean listen to to some extent wall human any any system can be kind of corrupted but the point is you're in a prayerful meditation to with God's God's grace to elect the most humble servants of a community. Just that's IT and think of. We did that in the United States now. You might say oh you're you. You've never happen but but like. Let's be hippies from minute. Let's imagine that world peace is actually doable because remember when I was a kid. We used to talk about world apiece Katie. What are you looking at. Well look at me because what I'm saying is really really interesting right now. In a bird cigna my thing is I'm like we can talk about this. Katie's in the kingdom the Burki. That's the most Christ like thing you can do to lessen our. I need to shun no no no the law that is sort of my point is. I'm like if we raise the consciousness of people look at birds through different means there could be a revitalization of of existing structures like the way that we elect people would change because consciousness would change instead of saying and I wanNA keep playing a whole lot of so when I was I was hoping to finish the world one thing yeah and I hear you. I I think when I was a kid world peace was possible. We used to talk about in school world peace and beauty contestants. They used to be that joke. Beauty contestants would say. I want world peace. Now you think about world peace talk about bringing up people scoff. We'll never have world peace. Humans are too selfish. Humans will never get along. We've just gotTa like secure secure our borders enough and we gotta have a strong enough military where you know you're. You're a naive nincompoop. If you really believe world peace is possible. What was I saying before that because I was going to tie that in and now I've forgotten well. I was saying that we could raise the consciousness and that which the political system yeah you sat that and we'll go to that and the second sorry. This is my podcast. I just want you yes. It is your but I was saying like. Can you imagine an American political system in which there was no electioneering there was no campaigning there were no TV commercials and we just went into rooms in silent meditation wrote. Oh down the people that we thought would be best to to do the job in a in a spirit of wisdom and service to to the community. How do we find out about those people. I'm not trying to be contrarian. I'm just like this works in a summer camp does if I know bill and I got a sense of bills like if hung out with Bernie Sanders and then there's trump and then there's hillary and we're all lanes. Let's say Bill Gates spent thirty billion dollars dollars of his sixty billion dollar fortune and helping less fortunate. He's learned a lot like maybe write down Bill Gates. I think maybe he can apply what he's learned through. That process really really great example. When you go to bed tonight I want you to go. I really did a good job gradients because there are people that we know about and there there are people that aren't blowing the Horn of their egos knowing like vote gates yeah and we do know about them because of the miracle of Netflix Docu series and I was just watching watching them. I thought about him this morning because he said the most nerdy thing I've ever heard where he goes. I don't mind cobwebs I was like I don't know why that's dirtiest thing I've ever heard every regina. I've known has always been like I like the texture of Bananas Yeah. There's cobwebs. Let's all the cobwebs out there. Can you eat cobwebs by the way there's nutrition there. There's gotta be some. You're starving. You eat cobwebs just to see what your poop Blake. After you eat a cobweb it's more cobwebs and then you're a spider and and you transform we've said that before but shouldn't spider-man's webs come out of his but listen. I like that so I love it. You want the rubber to meet the road. Yeah it's just about it. It's fine to promote oneness unity in love but I for me. I'm a little also a little more more practical. I'm not trying to stay more practical than you but there is a meat and potatoes kind of thing about you know how are we going to change these systems to be more more sporadically spiritualized and to to move forward and service humanity because also a lot of the again the spiritually kind of La Yoga class set. They don't really translate their spirituality. A lot of them not all of them. Not You a lot of them. However don't really translate that spirituality into service for others and to try to make the world a better place so it's more about just a personal like this makes me feel good and it reduces anxiety. I couldn't agree more that sometimes I feel like. We're worshiping a good mood. Yeah Yeah like Oh wow when I'm really tranquil but my thing these these days is a relationship with suffering like I just went to an accurate toll a retreat. Oh Wow and it was awesome. Why don't you invite me. I love ACA totally by the way I was going through the worst worst times in my life and I listened to his the power of being in now book and his voice to Austrian accent gloss case of emotion the rain when you're on the set of Mike Hart nonstop like year and it all my God I got to sit a fan of the podcast worked at the Omega Institute suit and I'm so I think his name was Yoga Institute yeah of a chip implanted into your brain at the Omega Institute. It's offensive knows seventy science science-fiction welcome to the Omega Institute but I'm so grateful because he was a fan of the podcast and he said you want to sit in the front because they reserve the front few. VIP's VIP's for VI espy's very important spiritual people they should you know what they should put at the front the fuck and busboys and the janitors yeah yeah well it did. Jesus do not on castors. Yeah I agree with you. Sorry three a little shade there. Are you uncomfortable. No all right I just said I completely agree and cartels would agree with Omega and this whole thing is no specialness and all that so anyway a couple of things that I I took from it one that I couldn't wait to share on the podcast. It's something that it's one of these things that you have to hear millions. You just got back yeah a couple of days ago. Wow Oh wow one is the present moment is your life. You know what I mean and that that is such an important thing. We think our life is like a collection of moments that we think about at night and we go like I'm happy because what we've done Americans view our life as they compendium of what we've achieved and then what we're aiming to achieve in the future. Chur ar are legacy. It's a it's a Beatles. Thing is what happens when you're making other plans like you're only thinking about other things but like this like if you wanna be happy happy. This is the only time to be happy. I know that sounds like something Martha Stewart would say we're tossing and salad. It's not that way. It sucks Eh Deep Esoteric beautiful wisdom. The present moment is your life your life and he says make friends with the present moment. Don't look at it as a means to an end. I don't look at it as an enemy. Treat it as a friend and I remind myself this all the time but I keep forgetting so what do I do. This is something I got from it. It anything you touch like. He's come to your senses like if you feel something if you're feeling you're not thinking if you feel. I just got here early. I went for a walk in one of these beautiful parks around here. You smell the flowers feel the breeze. You hear I heard leaves rolling on this up. You're not thinking so don't try to not think don't even even repeat a mantra in your head. Just come to your senses fucking unbelievable and then the other thing that constantly reminds me so it's not just what you touch see or hear. It's also what you you feel. I'm annoyed all the time. Even at a spiritual retreat people will be on their phones and I'll I'll start telling a story like you shouldn't be on your phone. We're supposed to be here now. You motherfucker okay use the annoying feeling the annoyance as a reminder and come back into the present moment because it's your fucking life and it's your friend so I'm what constantly like it would be nice if there was an APP that every fifteen seconds reminded you to be present but that would be stupid. There is an APP. There is a system running like anytime you feel something and you start to get overtaken by that feeling remember to comeback into your true being in your unborn awareness so I'm annoyed annoyed that this is happening. This is happening. That's never gonNA stop having. That's my alert young. That's my leg alerts so anyway what we're saying. This Utopian Vision is interesting. There Jesus also said like the there will always be suffering basically his point. It's part of the program. It's what do we do with. How do we album is it. How do we use it potentially as a reminder to come into our true selves. I also love everything you're saying. That's not a counterpoint point at a certain point Eker. Tony Second Book is called a new earth. He's trying to revitalize an an awaken people's consciousness so that we will have a new earth where we put aside the ego he thinks possessed by our ego and that's what you're talking back thoughts. We think we are once and we believe leave that all of this matters in Israel in that your status matters in show business late especially the rich and powerful people that I know I just see it. I'm like it's not working. There's no this too shall pass. It's all like this matter is. I'm real and I'm gonNA prove it again. I'm going to ring the bell again. I do to go out and do stand up every night to prove it again. I said Val the other night. I came home from doing it. I was like wait. Am I going to stop proving to myself that. I'm funny like fuck and let it go and just be happy for no reason find the bliss of being that is true and that changes how we act act. That's great. I it again. I'm just agreeing with you. We can't be happy for a reason you have to quiet down all those voices and get into that. Eckhard told he's always he's saying. Can you feel your energy. Close Your eyes and sit still and he goes. Can you feel your hands like don't move them but can you feel them and that's your energy field. That's your inherent dignified at home place in all that is and that is a joy that exists in traffic in line at the DMV when things aren't going your way Richard. We're also says that great love and great suffering is how God comes to us. Suffering just means not getting your way so when things don't go your way. It's this reminder to come back into the things never. GonNa go your West exactly if things went my way like I would be the biggest guests movie star in the world and everyone would adore me and think I'm brilliant tens right I would walk down the street and they would be throwing all our bills at my feet and fifties. It's why Richards has done that. Sound like the way that infant loving unborn awareness would act. It's available to everybody. Suffering is available to everybody yeah yeah and that is you know University of Catholic Buddha said life is suffering and you know that's the road less traveled. Which have you read that book travel. The road traveled. It's one of the great it's gotten kind of unfairly kind of cornered as a self help book or like the original kingpin and self help book. I was on the New York Times bestseller lists for like three years but it's a beautiful spiritual treatise written by forget the guy's name but he was a psychologist in a mental institution so he he dealt with really extreme cases and learned a lot about life and suffering and it's all about it's all about suffering but there's an interesting high take on suffering. which is that that suffering brings brings us pain but that's the pain of growth and that's why we're here on this physical plane so there's a metaphor in the Baha'i faith that is often used used in the rise just just a simple metaphor but when a baby is in the womb it's growing? It's fingernails elbows eyelashes and eyelids for use in this world. The baby has no idea what this world is. It has no idea what it's like to watch game of thrones you know and and it has no idea that it's growing is it will need to watch game of thrones in this world and if you ask the baby like why are you growing these kind of balls in your head. The baby like I don't L. Fine Right now. I'm just getting my nutrients to this tube and I'm sometimes I'm waking. Sometimes I'm kicking and I'm just hanging out in life is good but that we're undergoing the same process in this world that we are growing our spiritual arms and legs eyeballs and eyelashes that will need in the next world. How do we grow them. Well we grow them through suffering. Unfortunately I wish there was an easier softer way as it says in the book but there's not and this suffering hiring homes us you know it's it's it's melting the gold it's you know it's treating the metal on the envel- but our spiritual qualities of compassion wisdom kindness humility honesty. These qualities get homed homed by suffering. I Know Robbie though you know it was for you know for me like when I've had big shifts in consciousness I wish I could say that a lot of those big shifts in consciousness came because I read the right book at the right time and and I was aware and had a certain enlightenment and I just kind of I learned in grew through time. No it's Kinda getting kicked down to the pavement. That forced me to to grow in ways. I didn't WanNa grow and and I'm really when I look back in my life. I'm oddly grateful for some of the most painful experiences that I've ever had of course. It's also it forces us to drop all these false notions of ourselves like you think you're this and you think you this and then all of these things get taken away from you and you're like but what still there that's being not the circumstances of real life but what remains in its sort of kicked in the stomach but what remains like what is still here my a friend David is been diagnosed with cancer and it's he'll probably be dead within a year. the doctor said he had like one half of one percent chance of beating it through his treatment. It's not not good odds and we've had some of the most and the meantime for me like only TV show got cancelled and my thing I tried to pitcher. He's like Oh fuck. Come on. It's a good name a great name I bought it. Let's do it off network but to his his his perspective with this diagnosis is like he's like instant guru. He's become eker totally. I'm not he's become Ramdas mortalities on death row and he was like shocked that like three out of five of them it was like sitting with the bird or or something like a present in light told David that I was stressed out about this and that in this one movie project fell apart and this money thing fell apart and he's like he's like like grabbed me. He's like rain. Don't let it go. That's all white noise. It's white noise. What do you have you have health? You have breath. You have the moment woman you have. Your wife you have your son and breath is God. That's what Richard were told. The Netanyahu is was designed to mimic the in breath and the out breath so he's like. It's your first word. It's your last exactly. That's what it's life. It's not a it's not leaving stories and in having the correct views it's this and when you have and this is why all spirituality me boils down not boils down but a big part of it is is to die before you die so some of us get diagnoses. Some of us have near death experiences some of US get a sentence and we're sentenced to die and we go like what what were you wake up from the dream and go like why was I so mad when my flight was delayed yeah you're always home. You're always home your brain. I used to believe in Satan. Satan was the little liar and the thief. Your brain is Aligarh in the the've. It started with intentions. It was trying to define you and protect you but it possesses you and starts telling you stories like you're supposed to be in. La At eleven am so you could go uh-huh. Meet your fucking girlfriend for fucking smoothie shut up. This is what's happening. This is Buddhism. This is no resistance. This is this too shall pass. This is just going like like one of the things that card says meditates on street scenes of like from one thousand nine hundred thirty or forty fifty. Whatever you look at it. I've been doing it. You go on Youtube. Yeah those are amazing from nineteen. Everyone's dead no one remembers anyone's name yeah look at them all rushing around them looking. Guy Harley with a hat and he's where am I going any changes direction and he's late for something. His beliefs and his concerns are so real the other way you can do this is what were you rain. Some people say a year ago. What was I worried about yesterday. these are liars. These are themes. I understand we live in the real world and we have problems but to go. Oh this too will pass. Just be like the gift is what your friend is. Seeing that is so gorgeous and it's. How do you say you can't say that to him. I feel it sounds like you would say in some ways yeah he would say it but he would just wish for a few more years with his six year old daughter but speaking of Satan that's so how la was the founder of the pie faith and lived in the eighteen hundreds in the Middle East most of the Iran and then Palestine his eldest son Abdul Baha which named translates as Servant of glory Abdul behalf came to the United States in Nineteen in twelve and he arrived on the dachshund and everyone was America was all agog at Abdellah Baha coming. They're like Oh. This Persian mystic is coming thing this great spiritual teacher and he spoke at all these churches the biggest churches in New York City and and the congregation of you know theon pacifists and all the people that we're in trip into into big ideas and new ideas and spiritual ideas and a journalist asked him when he landed in New York they said do. Beh- is do you Abdellah Baha and do highs believe in Satan and Abdul behind answered and said yes. Satan is the insistent self. I love that so great yeah break. That's and me undies. No not that kind of break some some ideas. You just have to take for a walk. The insistent sound system taking yourself real seriously. Go Watch a street scene. Those people were taking themselves in the insistent south of of like some of them. I want more money. I won't be happy until I get this once. I get that I'll be happy. That person doesn't like it can happen. You know maybe if you act this way. Okay then they'll like you more. Its status. It's comfort. It's money it's greed. It's IT'S EGO self imposition over others like that's that's Satan and Satan is on your shoulder and Satan is nagging at you and Satan is tempting you. I think toward dark things but that you have to redefine what Satan Nisa just like. We have to redefine what God is atheist. We build both we build having built how this actually got in my episode of the Simpsons which I'm pretty pleased with. I hope it's not cut out but I've said it a million times on this podcast but I believe it's a Chinese proverb. That's about heaven as a room. I'm sorry held they they're like in. This room is hell as banquet. There's all this beautiful food and everybody has long chopsticks like pool cues and everyone's starving because they're trying to get the food to their mouths but they can't because chopsticks hellishly Alicia long and they're like wow that's how everyone's dying and there's this beautiful food that they can't eat. They go this. This room is heaven. They opened the door the same room same banquets same chopsticks expert there feeding each other and that's it. That's making it. That's the insistent self is trying to feed itself and the and the gracious self the the realized self is realizing. That's me that's me the bird. The Katie was looking at me answer. Let's take care of simple folks. You're so fun way better Earth chopstick. That's like what trump would say. These guys need forks and forks. We're GONNA make we make the best forks in America beautiful forks. I don't do imitations. We're not we're doing very badly out of but I'm trying. I was on stage last night and I had this bit where someone in the audience if they could fuck any animal what would they find and the guy literally went can't go there dude. I was like no. I'm just saying if we lived in a world where that was normal like what animal just sort of is actually accede to you is like not into bestiality bro. It's literally what he said like. His name was Ben and I go. I wish you a freer life. Ben Can't even you can't you can't even play. It's it's wet. Would you rather who would you rather play teenage boys. We drew Michigan Schneider Schneider. The raccoons and the backyard go there. I also tell the story I asked my brother one Thanksgiving if he would suck a dick for a million dollars and you just close. We don't have anywhere to go. How about some follow up question. Do I know the guy because that's a that's a trick. Yes I'll do it. It's your dad like that. That's a problem I wanNA talk. We're just listening to my father cut his meat. This is my dad cutting his me. Why does he make mouth noise as me and this is my father in law eating meat he goes and I'm like. What is it about men over fifty? They're like when you're going to hear that well. I'm a man over fifty and I wanna tell you something. I WanNa tell you something about to get real rearmanent. Drop something really real on your ass. Now I'll get into it. I Grunt Yup. It's going to happen in evolve involuntarily while doing certain physical actions. Niang runt don't wall for instance bending over the time I choose. I'm I try to not grunt and I can't help it but I will literally listen this is this is the noise I make you know. Bring this Mike with me down to my shoes. I literally I'll go saying I'M GONNA find out fifty five cutting my my corn on the five Dick fifty-three Bitch. I was saying when I'm fifty five. I feel like we've found a trigger for you and I'm fine with my age fifty three. You Look Great. I'll think you're in. La Fifty fifty three O two people look younger at in their fifties than people in Iowa. I think it's because of the sunlight and the self obsession that we tend to like moisturizing my teeth fixed. Though what do you mean I mean. I got like an veneers on my teeth. You have them yeah. I have veneers on my team. Did you get that for your acting. I did yeah because I had crooked yellow small teeth. Oh I got well. That's interested in so I love your spirit and it's pitiful and I love that. You're sharing it. How do we not in an accusatory way because we're both doing how do we push that. Plato through the fun factory of show business and doing comedy because when I did your podcast I was saying like using everything to sort of enlighten and wake up the Karma Yoga of yeah. I'm on SAT. I'm using that as of now and through laughter and laughter consistently yeah people are free when they're laughing. It's very important yeah well ECKERD tally at the head of aware of Gurus who don't laugh like if they're very serious yeah like it's all ago. It's all a game. That's great so I I believe in the importance of joy this show business thing. I'm struggling with this. This is something I struggle with. I haven't found my path. Exactly I mean I it goes is in a couple so I I did not start as Improv or in stand up I went to acting school. I did virtual Brecht and checkoff and Shakespeare. Noah and I did theater for ten years. The puck regional was dimitrios. Jeffrey Wright from Westworld was puck. I live back in nineteen ninety one well so I did a lot of theater was at regional theaters the Guthrie the arena stage and off Broadway and whatnot on and and I just this was the period when I had left the Baha'i faith and what I found was that my art became my faith I A- jettison the faith of my childhood and of my parents and I I did a deep dive into believing that through art through theater we could change people's alive so we could open their minds. We could open their hearts so I took the same evangelical spirit of my elbows are not evangelical but you know what I mean like the believing behinds do believe that we can change the world that we should shape the world which can make the world a better place through spiritualize ing it and my shift I went into spiritualize ing in in a way storytelling theatre storytelling that there's something profound and beautiful about people in a room telling stories is to one another and and I do think that theater is an incredibly magical primal things seeing a body fifteen feet from you spitting and saying beautiful language agent telling stories and transformed I offer something as it's also seeing someone pretending to be something else really convincingly and I think that wakes us up to to the idea that we're all playing parts that we're all just sort of doing. What are conditioning tells us to do so you're like I am a dentist. I could be a dentist in Minnesota Soda. I'd be acting perfectly like a dentist in Minnesota. You know what I mean but like things went differently but it's all baloney so when we see especially beloved actors like an Al Pacino really really convincingly being transformed somebody else you go. Isn't that what we're all doing. We are awareness playing different games so the actor in my opinion. You're not to make it too. I think a lot of things are sacred but I think actor in acting can be sacred as you're like Holy Shit. I think the knee is feeling that and that makes me detach from. I'm feeling like look. It's just a game. It's just a part. I think that actors are often insulted and denigrated like Oh these elites these actors Leonardo DiCaprio and his jet. I have to teach me about climate change and other just actors and stuff but I do think that there is a sacred obligation of the actor to tell a story and also to transform it's form when I was a little kid. I went to the first theater I saw was a HMS Pinafore by Gilbert and Sullivan and our neighbor like Jack. Adams Adams was his name I think and he was like a fireman and he did this community theater production of HMS Pinafore and he played like the captain and and I went and saw him on stage and I was I was six. I was like wait. That's our neighbor and now he's on stage and he's he's playing an English guy. Okay in a naval outfit I saw him after the plane and we all sweaty and had makeup makeup was running down his face. Any an I was was I was. I was moved as I want to do that. That's what Allen wants says. The whole Universe is is that when this is all over the villains and the heroes and and the bystanders we'll go backstage. Take their masks off in the green room and we'll see yeah. That's it your pretending you are being pretending to be rainn. Wilson that is ally. That's nice. It's a mental construct. It's a series of synapses firing and experience you you like how does rain sit in the chair like you're doing it perfectly but it's not who you are. That's kind of high but it's I. I understand that it's like what you're working with. It's the software but the hardware is consciousness and it's behind you. That's what I have this bit right now where I'm like sometimes I'll be at a party and I'm like Jesus Christ. I am too much and I'll be talking talking well. When I was in Salem I was reenacting. I'm blabbing and boring and like doctor strange. I feel like my spirit going behind me. Going like Jesus. Christ look GEICO. I just interrupted that woman. She was talking about her depression. Yeah what's wrong with him. That's that's the real use the security camera in the seven eleven. That's right so they they always show that footage of like the security can up in the corner looking down. That's how I visualize link. I'm it's a great way to think of being an and that can get in the way that kind of self awareness ernest especially if you're acting or doing stand up and you don't WanNa be looking down on yourself you wanna kind of Lombardo moment looking through your eyeballs out of the world. That's part of artist to share earwood. It feels like to be not forget that actors are Shamans that there's the the the ancient holy man. Shaman was from what we know. We can guess a Shaman was part actor part storyteller stand up comedian right part mystic got a great ten minutes on bird bones a rough day out there rundown that Al what are you say. Google guy knows what I'm talking about. Yeah you feel me as your hands. How many people have picked berries with their watch. So I got the aflame. I gotta get Outta. Here can use that bit this bit. Can I say Shamans are like stand up comics and use that bit thank you for asking and and build a little ten minutes around and of course you can wow cool. I've never done stand up before but that would be. There's something you could have a lot of fun. With of course I love it but yeah. There's something shamanistic about that in the end. We think of the best actors doing that. I do think it's more powerful in person so anyways I was in my twenties doing theater and that became my my spirituality and then you know when I started I started many year exploration of various religious systems and belief systems on the planet and read a lot and started meditating and re just read the Bible yes. This was several years into it. I read the Bible and read the Koran. I read the Bug of guitar and the parts of the Vitas new punish shots not all of it. No one can do that but you know a lot of these books. Bugaboo GITA and really exploring religious faith to my big question at the time was Do I believe in God. I have been kind of pretending to be an atheist and it didn't really feel it in my heart. I was like I have to either. God accessory doesn't and I there either. We're like many scientific materialist atheist thank and we're just a random assortment of PA molecules molecules and when I died so that light switch going out or there's something beyond and it's hard to say God exists because existing is equality of a creep thing of in creation so to say God exists. I know that's why I'm not. GonNa go into that. He transcends the categories of being in non being yes. That's a do that we work do alley. Where in duality put it this way. Is there something greater than just molecules or not. There is either something behind and above and through and within without a molecular scientific world or not. Do I believe that or not so I kind of went on a deep journey of like I I need to shit or get off the pot and you know I asked all of my friends at the time you know I really pulled everyone like do you believe in God and to a person they all said well. I don't believe in an old white man on a beard cloud looking down on me but yeah. I believe there's something out there. There's some force or something and I was like well. So how does that impact your life and like Oh. I don't know as like that wasn't good enough for me. Yeah I was like if I do believe that there is something more than molecules than I need to devote myself to the study or service of that whatever that is and and that's what prompted all of this reading and eventually long story short you can read about it in my book called the King Long Story Short I came back to the Baha'i faith because it just made the most sense to me in a number of different ways and but this is this is a long roundabout monologue analog to talk about like how do you deal with show business because this has been as I've been back in the behind faith for like the last. Let's say twenty years I struggle. I'll go with that because I still feel a little bit dichotomies. D- I'm an actor and a storyteller and I'm also also a a spiritual Behi- and I in service to the Baha'i community because I believe in the power and the teachings and the writings of Pala and I'm also a spiritual being seeking to make the world a more unified loving place but these these two things are often feel at odds and yes in my gods actor. Can I be like J. D Salinger and France zooey like you do it for the Fat Lady. So you know Franny beat God's actor. you know yes. I can tell stories and you do as Dwight. You know so so grateful when people are like my brother was dying of cancer and we used to watch the office and laugh. Thank you so much for bringing us laughter. There's a service is there. You know it's it's it's important but it's it's still tricky for made up tomorrow. I'm going to greenland because I'm going to make a little low budget digital video radio about climate change just for my fans and soul pancake fans and stuff like that but so I try and do social good here and there when I can but also just just came off doing a TV show that has no social good in it whatsoever. It's just a fun. TV show with conspiracy theories and in actors and adventure so I know I talked for a long time the kidding me. This is like interrupting every other episode. I love episodes like please. Don't ever feel like you're not supposed to talk. I want you to talk. I wonder like you walk around and people like Robin. Williams people yelled at him. I have to imagine it's a daily. The thing that somebody me all the time but is that I wondered this is a leading question. I'm just going to let you know Mork Nano Nano but when people think your dwight isn't that a little reminder that you're not you know what I mean like. That's false like you were just being this thing and then people believe that that's thing so that's like this reminder. You could have been that does that make sense like sometimes I see like. I'm I'm wondering if you acting and embodying other characters helps you wake up to the idea that you are spirit and you can move in these different directions and look at all these people that think you're dwight like people are just like there's just wait. I saw Dwight today well. I could go like what Baloney identity is. I don't I'll kind of I do think that I was given certain talents and faculties by the Great Spirit and the divine assemblage of my particular. DNA that I was able to and my warped twisted upbringing that caused me a lot of trauma and suffering that through all of that for whatever reason I'm able to transform into characters and play them and play especially comedic weird in your characters yeah and that's kind of my purpose on this earth. Maybe my purpose on this earth was to play Dwight to entertain the tens or hundreds of millions of people that have I watched. Wait shoot and and that's great. Maybe it'll be on my tombstone. I hope that people will know me something a little bit more than white but if if that's it then then Soviet right you can't control it anyway yeah. What was your what was trump. I want to hear about your beatnik parents. I see them playing goes. Roach Roach Clip Yeah. I wonder like I WANNA learn Algebra. Oh come on baby. You bring him down getting the bassoon king edited out. I said bassoon king. We're going to sell zero books. I had a great dwight is standing up. He's looking commit. It's not here. I don't know where it is. I I'll find it for later. I thought it was like right within grasp if a dumb starbucks Cup Simpson Simpson's as a yeah I see that scares. Simpson can really nail you guys so my parents Where do I start. How do you start with that. Who are you closer well. I guess I'm close to my dad because when I was to my mom left to have an affair with a theater director she was an actress and and I mean I use the term loosely. She did some community experimental community theatre later where she was naked seven painted her body blew her boobs blue chip boobs blue blue in nineteen sixty fifty nine in Seattle and so I stayed with my dad and I didn't really see my mom again till I was about fifteen. Oh well McKee remarried a my step mom kristen. She was very unhappy in their marriage. I asked him when I was writing my book several years ago. I asked them both like. When did you know that this marriage was just not going to work in that it was a terrible idea and they both said within a year of being married. My Dad said like they both said within a couple of months. They knew that this was was just the biggest mistake of their lives but they doubled down and they doubled down and stayed with. No this was my stepmom. They didn't have any kids both as stayed married for another fifteen fifteen or sixteen years and so that is a peculiar hind. Hell is to grow up into a marriage where the two people know they should not be together under no circumstances but they're doing it for me and it's like if I could go back in time like please get divorced for me if you know. I know you're unhappy so here we are. Behi- family worst for me. Please get divorced from me. I used to fantasize my my dad and step mom would get divorced Internet. My Dad would like moving to Seattle and take me with him and we would not and it wasn't even that I mean I loved her and I loved him. I just wanted to not be in not family and here's another weird kind of spiritual. Trauma is growing up. Behi- which all about love love one another and yet there's no love in this marriage urge so there's no love in this family so he would go to these behind meetings and we'd sing about love and pray about love and serve with love and then. I'd go home and we'd Watch TV ANY TV. Dinners people wouldn't talk to each other cognitive business yeah so that's that'll really fuck you up as a kid so that's that's a little a little taste of it. Now my step mom would rage she would rage and get physical because she was so so deeply unhappy in that marriage so that wouldn't get taken taken out on my dad. That would take it out on me. So it was it was its own peculiar hell but everyone has their own peculiar child's that where you developed your performance kind of the I'm projecting because I had you know some conflict in my own family and that's where I was like. I'm going to put on a show. I would literally put on shows does it was it's almost a cliche like if you put it in an indie film like this kid and there's really miserable family putting on like miming for his parents at dinner and doing impression comedy act talking to each other yeah and to them with a little bit of laughter. Maybe they wouldn't fight it. It's it's a cliche you put it in a film people like. Oh come. I'm on really I've seen that before well. It's true yeah so yeah there was there was that what would you do. I would I remember the songs I would think I had one. That went like I'm I'm a cow given birth and so you Macau given birth what do give him a new dusing elway. I messed it up now no to do and then we'll go seeing and MOO. Moo and I tried to get everyone to sing. Move move ought to do this thing and yeah. There wasn't a Christian Song. No why also went to a quaker school where we sang a lot of weird sort of music so it was like in me to make up silly songs and then when I got a keyboard I would play the chords to it and stuff and speed stick and it was it did kind of create. This like mine that likes is to be silly and creative and all that but it was to keep everyone from looking at the high of ship in the room. You Know My therapist Dr Gary Penn whose book is available now. He says it's like spraying for breeze on a pile of ship. The bassoon king has it's called the bassoon king by Rainn Wilson Yeah. WHOA you're bits. All all I can remember is I did a lot of I hate to say. It did a lot of miming. I love it. I did like Marcel Marcel Marceau. My my like look. I'll do boy in the glass box or I'll do walking against the wind or look. I'll do so you'd stand dishing dinner table. You stand what stand up and do a little show little informants yeah yeah. This is why you were skinning. I was skinny and everyone's eating the food yeah over there pretending tending to be in a breeze that doesn't exist not not eating the meat loaf a I also learned that I was. I was adobe boy. 'cause I learned that like eating. Would I'd like sort of sedate me so I would eat a lot of bread yup and like go for the Pasta real fast because it made it more. It gave my body something else to focus on indigestion or whatever right so then. What was your first your mom's an actor and he became an actor yeah. Do you want to hear the crazy crazy part of that story. I didn't know she was an actor so I when I always wanted to act and literally for some reason just always was like I want to do that what would see people on TV. I would see the characters on radar. O'Reilly on Mash and be like how to do that what to do what he's doing doing and Lo and behold I got to do it. Yeah reminding me that when I was a kid the other thing I would do is I'd go in the bathroom and before the real world do monologues into the mirror and I'd say on this episode of the Peach. Oh Dad you know like an talk about. It sounds a little nuts but I couldn't wait to be on TV that that's why like I understand that a lot of people probably want to be in show business and then there's like fucking Weirdos like Martin Short who used to do talk shows with his stuffed animals and take commercial breaks and I remember him saying on a on a late night show he was like I used to worry about my imaginary film career getting in the way of my imaginary TV career so these are people that are in their in their yeah well. I'm beautiful. I guess I could be in movies yeah. Some people are like I have to do this. It's like when I P I in the snow and there's a SPEC script. It's just so it seems like you really knew what you want. That's that I knew what I wanted to end and my dad was always a little. He always supported me being being an artist. He loved me playwright science fiction right here on your creatives and he was creative. He was a failed artist. He was a painter. That's one of his early paintings right there. Oh well yeah that's from like nineteen seventy something that one right there. He wanted to be an artist and he never succeeded at really being an artist. He's having a nice you know retirement career right now as an artist I but I started doing acting and he was weird about it. He got really weird about doing the acting couldn't figure it out because he supported me doing any of their in a pink your boobs blue what why why would they say that and then. I found out later I was nineteen or twenty or something like that that my I literally opened an an old storage trunk and I saw an ad in the newspaper that my mom shea was in this play in Seattle and a what like yeah I used to act what and then and then then I asked my mom at some point. Why did you guys get divorced because my dad would never answer the question but I asked my natural mom shafter we were getting back in in touch with one another and she goes you mean your dad never told you know my dad would always hem in the hall and he'd be like well we went our separate. Broadway's you know and in and she was like I we got a divorce because I did this play and I had an affair with a theater director actor and I left your dad for this theater director well. My Dad never told me that how different than most parents who want to bitch about the person they're divorced from nonstop to their kids. Your Dad's like a good movie because his wife the actor Burns him. He doesn't tell his son then. A son becomes an actor. Cheeses can't get away with it yeah yeah yeah yeah and not only he becomes an actor but he moved to New York City and starts doing drugs. Did you actor so yeah. Oh no what was your flavor. I did a lot of cocaine for awhile really yeah yeah. I pot always got me like got me crazy crazy in fact I once smoked pot and I think it was laced with something because I had visions of of the face of God I saw the face of God. Wow yeah that's intense yeah. It wasn't pleasant. No the the trip was not pleasant but the face of God was very pleasant and I swear to the face of God. I would never smoke pot again and I haven't it's like Steve. Martin is book. Oh Yeah you got paranoid on pot in a movie theater and was just like vowed to whatever he was talking to. I was like I'm out. I'm out yes I. I did one of those things God. If you get me out of this I mean I wasn't just having a bad trip. Pete like my my muscles were contracting and expanding automatically without involuntarily arms like this and I I was vomiting meeting and my heart rate was up at like two hundred you know a minute I was like could you could sweating sweat was pouring down my face and it was it was a really really bad sounds like an indigo. Yeah just pick the wrong one so ice word of the face of God that I would never ever smoke pot against and right around that time I started having panic attacks and I had depression and anxiety and cocaine agreed with you know and that's when I quit the cocaine too because I was like this is this can't be helping. What kind of cocaine person were you watching succession right now. I love that show. I think so interesting. I was saying to Val last night. We were watching it and I was. It's like it's so weird like you don't want. There's no. There's no major spoilers here. You don't want Kendall to us but when he's using a little bit you love him like sort of agrees with me brings him to life. He's like way I'm gonNA fucking. Kick them out and you're like yes. Cocaine is good good for Kendall. Yeah but he can't obviously it's a horrible thing for Kendall and that's what I like about. The subtlety of that show is it's not it's not a caricature of like he does cocaine and he just immediately loses. His erection starts yelling at a drive through the person. It's gray. There's it's ruining his life but he also see what the allure s and that's why I've never done cocaine. I'll never do cocaine. I'm not interested. I feel like I'm on cocaine just natural when I when I did cocaine here's the problem when I did it. It was too good. It was so good. It made my life so amazing. I knew it was too good to be true. You made your life or your the way you felt. Honestly it made it made my life like all deficiencies. I had as human being were corrected by the drug cocaine really yeah so like what social anxiety exactly I was charming. I could pick up women. I was not what's self conscious. I went to a party with my classmates from NYU and on Coke and it was a big dance and I was the best dancer on on the dance floor. Can you imagine that and on this so this isn't one of those situations you are. All in our class was like came. All of a sudden sudden was interested in me and came up and was like wow rain. You're such a good dancer. I had no idea yet abby so wasn't just in your head. It wasn't like a funny movie. No no I think you're great and then it cuts to a wide and we see what you're actually doing like ooh but the day after it's you know it's a self perpetuating system because the day after you do it you feel so down a hate yourself so much that you need more of it to get you out of that state so I would. I had enough consciousness consciousness and a lack of an addictive connection to the drug itself to be able to say enough no more good. I'm out yeah so I've been drug free since then and then alcohol-free since the late ninety s to boost for me wasn't like blotto drunk vomiting like embarrassing myself breaking a plate glass window but it was coping. I used it for coping. I I do too yeah so it. was you know it's a tricky thing it's sort of like redefine beers a night to take the edge off and then when I looked back on like a ten year span or twelve year span I realized Oh there's five days that I did not drink alcohol in ten years twelve years right. That's that's probably not right when there's drugs. This is what's been interesting about. The legalization of weed is that we are dumb animals and when things become legal we just go like well. It must be fine. You know what I mean like. We sort of it's dangerous when we have to self regulate and alcohol is one of those things for sure. We're like well. It's legal my parents did it. That's why I was like. It's culturally sanctioned on melrose place. When they started saying asked I started saying ask we're idiots. You know what meanwhile like. Why can't be a bad word. They say there's two huge social experiments happening at the same time for with today's young people that are going to have tragic consequences and these giant social experiments are at the exact same time. Let's give every kid once they turn eleven or twelve riddle l little pocket computer that has instant access to any he kind of distraction that you could possibly want whether it's porn whether it's video games whether it's just surfing the web or analyst news information nation and it's just here everyone has everyone has them and that's the one social experiment. Let's let's drop. I remember hearing this guy who did a tedtalk and he was talking about how they did a social experiment where they they dropped ipads into a village in Nepal that had information on the ipad about teaching them language engagements and literacy and that link the village taught itself literacy through these literally airlifted in ipads then. We're just dropped village. I'm completely completely as A. I'm completely serious. What's happening with the gods must be crazy? Both I yeah yeah. That's what's happening with fifty million adolescence right now. Let's put many supercomputers supercomputers in their pockets and at the same time let's legalize pot and just kind of sanction marijuana without any studies about its long term health benefits. We certainly know that pot done in adolescence leads to increase schizophrenia. We know that it increases depression anxiety nicotine as well actually oh yeah and vaping aping is underdeveloped brains that use nicotine it's because I sometimes enjoy nicotine. It's like in a suppler. I don't smoke or else smoke a cigar and I'll enjoy it whatever yeah so I was curious about nicotine and I looked it up and it's not harmless. It's like if you smoke before your brain is fully formed. That's the other thing schizophrenia schizophrenia. It's like delusion. It's like mood swings irritability yeah. It's all this crazy stuff. That's another social. There's an endless series of social experiments in porn is another one morning. I know in the seventies for us to get porn. I mean it was just a mad search for like three or four magazines with some boobs in it yeah. Oh my God and that was that was it and now you in your pocket supercomputer. There's you can have a donkey face fucking Romanian because we become novelty addicts. It's not just sex becomes. It's nothing we have straight people watching gay porn because the taboo turns them on so. I mean like what where does lead yeah but also the mirror but to continue with the marijuana when like it's like all of a sudden let's just legalize it and must be okay and you can't. Od Marijuana but that doesn't mean that it's necessarily league good for you and I've met a number of marijuana addicts ten fifteen years out of using marijuana that are just their lives Iraq and he the same thing about about alcohol. I suppose but I worry for you. Youngins and you millennials that have just had kind of unlimited distraction action unlimited porn unlimited nicotine and unlimited unlimited marijuana but it actually is a spiritual issue because it goes back to the idea that everything you need is outside of. You and it's all about sense gratification. y'All sense. Gratification is a fucking fool's errand. That's what I'm saying like. Finding Bliss in the inherent inherent stillness of being is the only game in town. I don't care how you symbolize it. How you worship at how you practice that's the only game in town because if you just go around trying to feel good to anesthetize you're fucked and that's the story we're being sold. Get rich get a bunch of we get a bunch of booze. Get a bunch of whatever you're attracted to and guess what you're GonNa. Wake up and just be like what is this. Russell brand talks about this so articulate. Sorry Okay No. I hadn't been silly for a while. yeah bring it up the but his he's got a great book called recovery and also all all the ways we try our selves numb escape anesthetize and a lot of it is stuff to its shopping. That's right but that's why Eker Tony says like when a kid when you take something coming from a kid and they scream it's because we have this part of our brain that believes this is. My coffee becomes part of our identity. Even porn is an identity issue. It reinforces the idea that you exist that you're real. This turns me on something is happening. I'm coming I exist. It's an identity thing it's because we're so afraid of who we are when all that stuff goes away and then you're getting drunk and you're seeing how drunk am. I getting high. I am I it's just somebody said all of humanity's problems stem from the fact that you can not sit quietly in a room and I was like that's fucking a mother fucking it Wilson Twenty nineteen he he just setup I deal. I struggle with that I do too. Why do you think I got so worked up. I don't I certainly struggle with if anything that Medicaid Nesta ties as me but I also struggle with the fact that you know being celebrity being an actor kind of trying to get fame fame now. I never tried to get famous but I tried to get to be successful as an actor like I never do anything for myself. You know I don't write poetry that no one's GonNa read read. You know I don't I do meditate because it quells my anxiety and it gives me sharper clearer focus throughout the day so there's there's a cost benefit analysis to it but I don't do do anything like make pottery or I hear people talking about like yeah. I just love gardening for the sake of itself itself. I like gardening. You like planting lanting things in scraping dirt rain when seeds in dirt and then no one even sees it and when I went to the park right by your house because I was early and I looked at a tree and activities like dropped the label right don't label at a tree just look at it without thinking about it and just experienced the tree and it was beautiful it was it was rapturous. It was wonderful and then there's this voice in my head going after the podcast. You don't really have anything you would come back and look at the you know what I mean. I'm like just look at the tree now aw like everything has to be like land to really like it. Later motherfucker dislike it. Now it's happening now. That's a thief. That's a thief thief of joy that's right and but also that happens to me. I had a couple free hours yesterday and I just laid on the couch in my office when I was like for nothing. Nothing just look at the light look at the room. Let it come in. That's I can't do the you know I can't do that you. That's what I'm saying. I can't do it. I really struggle with that. The reason I told you that I did it was because it doesn't have to be as sexiest gardening in in fact I would say that the the wrote flow of gardening could just be like it's like the guy that climbed Free Solo. I was like hey wanted to show his brain off. It's it's just another way of meditating It's a moving meditation. That's not as romantic I think as you were saying the guy who climbed that mountain he could have just laid on his couch and looked at dust motes in the air absolutely but I I think his brain is like look at the interview. It's trending towards the relational. That's a guy that needs to shut his brain off and it's like the only thing that's going to get me away from myself as risking my life. I need to I need the focus. That's why I totally says we love Marcus. West break and in order to like follow what I'm saying. You need to really really devote it close attention to what are you going to miss that and that's meditation. He's really good that you should have your own youtube. Everyone I was saying some bullshit but it pinpoints your attention. It draws in your gardening distraction world. That's right yeah so people that are watching some are. It's not just like it's not a new new thing. It's like an IT's a new way of doing. What Meditation is what mindfulness is. What presence is but we have to trick ourselves into doing it because like you said I have nine billion hours streaming but come shots in my phone yeah at the point of a button crazy yeah all right. You're out of time. You're out. Lock your time and everyone does the cow. Say what was your song again cow. I think the answer the phone cow giving birth and it would be my friend and go. How did you know it was and I was like it took a chance. I did say did you. We should do a longest you make it weird. I feel like how we keep going. I gotta go you gotta go half an hour. You know okay well. We have the speed round and it'll take probably half. Let's do it in what is what is the greatest lesson. You were talking about all this great acting stuff you've done. I'm curious. What a great lesson. You've learned about acting as could be advice. Someone gave you or something that you figured out so. It's a story that I've that was pretty profound to me. which was that? I got cast in my first Broadway play. I was like twenty seven twenty eight and I put so much pressure on my shoulders that I sucked in that Broadway play and I thought oh I'm going to get a Tony nomination. I'm an at sign William William Morris Agency. I'm going to get a New York Times review all this pressure and it's all I could think about so it was not in the moment in nursing PA- character and I sucked and I was really bad out and you can find the reviews online and and when I came out of that and I I was a miserable experience. There's nothing worse than knowing you suck being being in play that you saw. Can you have to do it for two or three months. You have to go do eight shows a week and you know you're terrible inigo. Suck tonight and yeah and you can't get out. I got a little better. Everybody couldn't get out of really sucking because I hadn't rehearsed it right so when I and I was sobbing to my wife on the phone phone at night and it was it was a terrible terrible ordeal but when I got out of that I let go of trying to be something. I'm for someone else as an actor like I need to be myself. I'm weird. I have a long torso. I have a belly I get my clothes at thrift stores or I used to and this is who I am you know and I need to bring that into. Oh my work as an actor and I truly and I tell this story to tell a longer version of this story when I speak to young actors and stuff like that because my my greatest failure of my entire acting life to that point we can talk about the rocker. Being one of the worst movie box office is bomb of all time is that true yeah led to me playing Dwight because I embraced my inner weird and the and that allowed me to play those character those oddball characters and not really give a fuck what people the thought of me and opened the door for that my greatest success so my greatest quote unquote failure was actually like those tests and difficulties. You talked about suffering rain by one of my greatest sufferings. It was three months old yeah. It's like you have done stand up yeah. That's what stand ups have on actors is that I mean actors have plenty of suffering yeah. I didn't mean to put it that way. Yeah no no no we get our butts kicked him constant I still do I still got yeah. Last night wasn't great not great. I was doing and it was like Oh. Oh how do you feel like because people recognize you from TV now so it's a little different that they like you anyway. Because you're celebrity Pete Holmes a celebrity not Pete Holmes these struggling aspiring stand with Seinfeld says as you get thirty seconds of grace and then it's like okay. What do you say for me. Maybe ten seconds. There's not people that are just there. If Pete Holmes these great he could say anything. I love his podcast a Stephen so great on crashing yeah. Maybe it's my show. There's a bigger cushion but I was guessing on someone else's show there wasn't as much electricity yeah for sure yeah and I realized how much coasting on that electricity are relying on. It and that's what that's what it's like. When you're building in new hours you sort of need your fans to help you make that our and then you go and bring it to other other people in when it stronger now part of me wants to quit acting. There's part of me. I was talking to a bunch of people about they want to go to divinity school. I WANNA WANNA go get a masters degree in and leave it behind but then I'm too scared to do that and the money's too good enacting yeah really well yeah the what did you learn with the rocker. After the offense. The rocker was mid office. It was like during season three or four of the office office and you know we were really taking off. We were getting. I was getting Emmy Award nominations that I did not win. Oh you get back. Yeah it is. This is this egotistical of me. No one really sees it because no lead God's cert. Yeah you get a nomination certificate. I got three of them lost to Jeremy Piven the pips. There's a joke here in search of let's let the listener insert their own joke. Let's leave a moment of silence so odds there. We go and we're back so I had this you know the they was Steve. Grell had a big movie career and John. Krasinski was acting movies in Jenin everyone and so I had a shot and there was this terrific script the rocker it was a relief fund quirky. you know studio low budget studio comedy. I think we shot the whole thing for like thirteen million dollars in Toronto and they could chew Hornet in right before me coming back for the next season to the office and and they did it was a great cast. Emma stone was in it. Bradley Cooper was in it. Fred Armistice Josh Gad had a you know so many great Jane Lynch so many great actors in it and Demetri Martin and and it was a fun little movie but it was they had four different release dates for it and the kept moving when it was going to get release and they just dumped it and Labor Day weekend and it got bad reviews and they they they put it out like two thousand screens and you know if you look like like box office. Mojo you can look at like how much money it made her screen and it was like thirty seven dollars per screen or something like that and it was at the time one of the biggest box office bombs in Hollywood history well. It's now been eclipsed by about three hundred other movies as people it was kind of right at that time when people are starting to not go to movies anymore and just but that was brutal man it was it was brutal. This was like well you all. I was so wrapped in my ego so wrapped in my Saturday. Komo Satan insistent self this is it is going to put me on the map. It's the same thing as the Broadway show. I'M GONNA get movie deal. I'm going to have an office Sunday Sunday. They'll listen to you yeah and it's Reagan Reagan now. They'll look now. You won't be quite you'll be the rocker yeah. I'll be the rocker colonel everyone. They'll yell something else. I won't just be a TV. Star of your movie. Stars could be a serious rocker to tuning out three Caldecott count and it was it was it was brutal. I remember when you have to do all this press press for a movie. That isn't working then. You have to sort of like stand by a movie. That doesn't working right well. I did all the press previous four came out right of course and oh it was it was rough. Did you have a feeling it wasn't gonNa work when you were doing the press yeah I went to test. Screenings and generally people liked it but it wasn't like the test screen. It wasn't like people bottle in this. It's it's a sweet fun funny film. It's not a great film. It's not a it does not come close to sucking however it's a really fun film and bought my my feature film. Dreams teams were dashed and I was immediately. There were several other movie projects that we're GONNA people were lining up and talking about and they just all went away. Sh- did you talk corral about it. No I didn't talk to corral about it so we know why just because he seemed like the he traversed that terrain and yeah he seems like such a sweet sweet guy guy but he is not talk about professional stuff really that yeah. It's not like you can sit down and he would be very empathetic and stuff like that but he wouldn't give advice or tie that stuff he doesn't. He doesn't engage in that stuff private about professional stuff in conversations yeah really interesting yeah. I wonder if that's deliberate. He doesn't want to take it too seriously or I don't know. I've tried a few times. Through the years I WANNA love Steve is such a sweet guy dear guy we still taxed and he's so brilliant I just saw him in that movie but the sun the drug addict son cut he was. St was just heartbreaking just a beautiful performance but he there's just certain topics. You just can't get in with him. people are and so yeah that was it was tough. I remember after the rocker opened. I was driving into the office on the Monday after the rocker opened and we have to get in there really super early in the mornings. I'd left my house at like five in the morning and I was listening to the Kevin and bean on K rock and they were like Oh. Let's look at what happened in the movies this weekend and they're like Oh. This came in First Properties under was first and stepbrothers was second and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. They went through the movies like wait a minute. Where's rains movie. Where's the Rock wit. Wait where ah it's not even in the top ten. It's number twelve. Oh that hurts oh. It's a bomb ooh rain bombed. Tom And I was driving down the one on one. I started crying on the one on one around White Oak at five twenty in the morning. Kevin and bean were like mocking my movie and I had to go in and be funny on the office he pete. Let's bring this altogether. It's it's all an illusion. It doesn't matter all we have is right now. We're having a conversation and we're surrounded by oxygen. We're like fish notion. Only it's not water oxygen around us and the breath in our lungs is the divine y'all way down the bottom of that list the way down at number twelve way to y'all way. No you're absolutely right. What is a great lesson you've learned about. was that too long. No I loved. It's really just a question of how many we get to but I mean you. Can't you one all right. Keep going fame yeah fame famous. You're not gonNA live forever. I was doing the David Bowie Song you. You did the theater song that's telling. Do you know on that. David Bowie Song fame fame the falsetto fame. That's John Lennon singing that really yeah. I learned that fun fact what about fame. What's a great lesson? You've learned about how to cope with it how to deal with it. I mean you couldn't go to the Burlington Mall and Burlington Massachusetts which is really it'd be a problem wouldn't it could go to the Burlington coat factory at the Burlington County Bridge Burlington Vermont. I don't think so they will you and I. I'm wondering doing what your life is like when you go to an airport I have to imagine it's different for you. I mean you're a you're a t-shirt yeah. I'm a meme. You're a meme. Mom knows her you. Are you know what I mean. That's different. You're saying when I go on sage. People know me from crashing. I'm like you know what I mean like. If you come out it's like like It's a thing it's like well. I go in a baseball cap and I have this beard and so most people don't recognize me in that helps me tremendously but biggest elephant and get some. I don't know I mean there's this is could be a whole podcast episode on on fame and the travails of fame. I I don't know one to quote George Clooney. No one ever wants to hear a famous person complain about anything clergy cleaning by my Tequila Yeah. It's it's it's tricky. I try and be really respectful to fans that appreciate my show and I just gratitude to them and I look for the soul in their eyes and try and give them witness I also give out these cards now. I stole this from Steve. Martin happening with rain is looking as celebrities. Only telephone case for a business card seems to have a lot of cards. I think he carries his SAG card with an interesting. I mean he doesn't WanNa pay for movies at the SAG theater. Here we go. I asked Writing Wilson Parentheses indices that guy who played dwight on the office and some other roles for a Selfie and all I got was this idiotic card so you give them this instead of doing his LV. Yeah that's fine. I do selfish but sometimes when I don't want to give him that but that's fun. Yeah No. He has that like fill in the blank. Judd suggest suggest appetizer still has his from when he was a kid. He wrote Martin a fan letter. When he got the form letter back he hasn't frame? St Martin's hands out cards that says AH I verify UNMET Steve Martin. I found him winning witty charming and delightful fun. I don't there's a lot to say on fame. I don't know it's it's it's an illusion and try and stay grounded as possible to say hey listen. I've played a lot of different acting roles some hit some mess. I've had friends who are on TV. Shows goes for as long as I was. No one watched the show. They don't get recognized anywhere. Luckily the office was a great show. That wasn't really in my hands and I am. I am a servant amongst servants since I'm a I'm another Bozo on the bus. Have you met Gareth Yeah. I met Gareth from the English off dizzy. Enjoy him yeah. He's super sweet very shy very quiet. Wyatt guys so I'm going to Broadway play and we we met backstage yeah. Some someone took a photo there some photos because you were the American version it's like they milked it for a billion dollars in the UK. We only had honestly bunch of stuff that he did yeah quite honestly Kinda supposed. Do I mean you're doing converge took. I took the best stuff that he did which is taking himself super seriously a deadly deadpan and and having a really terrible head haircut like he got himself like the worst possible haircut for his head shape. I did the same thing I got like. I have an enormous forehead so mike. I'M GONNA lead with my enormous forehead so I imagine he but I think he's doing great. He's doing great. Did you ever talk about God with Rickie driven. I never talked about God with Ricky Jay base now yeah. I wonder what his opinion is on it. Oh my God you're funny. What's your greatest lesson. You've learned about comedy Eddie timing timing Thai food mean. That's a good one. What about family and fatherhood. Give you know I don't have anything thing funny to say about that. Isn't that funny. I will say that marriage has been you know. What is the toughest job? You'll ever love or something like that. The army or something like battling marriages marriage has been very hard and challenging and so rewarding at the same time like it's gets a in the road less traveled by M Scott Peck which really must read. Do you want me to buy it for you or are you going to buy it yourself. I'm happy to buy it for you. I'll send it to you know I'll get it. No I can send it to you. I'm going to buy the bassoon king okay. I'm a I can give you. The King and you can buy your own damn self the road less traveled. I will all I. I made a rule for myself. I can't buy any more books until I read some of the ones that I how the Tam Yeah Yeah Yeah. What about audiobooks yeah. He talks about about marriage as being sold growing machine well. Ritchie roar remember says the guy comes to us through great love and great suffering like the reason why most major religions promote fidelity and long relationships committed relationships is because the sounds like a joke they provide great levin great suffering suffering just meaning not getting your way meaning emerging yeah and compromise and compromise. That sounds so boring but that's why it's not just supposed to be pleasing our sense desires. It's supposed was to be teaching yeah yeah so and then raising a little son is also in been incredibly challenging an incredibly rewarding and isn't that what it's all about yeah beautiful Let's see I think run guy. I think uh I think we should end right there all right. What do you think what do you think kate. I think you're gonNA like this one. What's aggressive. Hey you okay. I pay Katie well. Oh Nice a weird. Yes good well. What else Pete Holmes for Perfect Sake. It's six eighty arrays. It's such a pleasure to sit down with you man. I have the final question yeah. This is what it always is and I I want to talk about. What a pleasure it was. What's the hardest time you laughed in your life or recently or when you're a kid. I'll tell you the hardest time I've laughed aft that I can remember was I was. I would say of the top twenty times I've laughed in my life seventeen of them were on the set of the office laughing until I cry and barely breathe many many times in a bad suit in a bad ads who was in the scene with John Kuczynski where we it said it is your birthday and we hung up the balloons. We couldn't stop laughing in that scene. There was also seen that Steve Steve when Steve was dressed as Santa Claus and Kevin who's very large sat on his lap to ask for a present and they they they just milked that scene and it was the funniest thing I've ever steve in that scene. Was it just us us just heart achingly funny. Oh God I was lucky. How lucky am I why valid I will watch office bloopers more than we watched the show we'll watch bloopers and and bloopers of all the shows that we love because it reminds me of the joy of an ensemble of that summer camp feel that they are having fun and watching you. Break is really really fun yeah because I look like my face looks like mad ball. You know what those mad balls yeah from the league play with them mad balls yeah commercial my my big round head kind of turns from the very grim until like a weird contorted mad ball. Well rain all right we we did it. Are People going to listen to this. Are People going to listen to this right now. What I'm saying well if they listened to the end they should tweet it. You the word Parcheesi Z. Z. Hashtag Parcheesi you can get it trending. If you want and then you'll know they listened to the very okay. Please do listeners if you've gotten this far tweet me at rain. Leanne Wilson Hashtag Parcheesi and we'll know when well no it was worth going the distance great but I think people will appreciate it. I love you. I love you too man. Well You keep it crispy. It's how we keep it crispy with Dwight say differently. Keep it crispy. It's pretty similar some really really similar Crispin Crispin.

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