7 Episode results for "Marcel Kissel"
127: Auf Wiedersehen, Marcel
"The listening to kilometers by citing podcast in association in wisconsin phonics call sign he doesn't get ed is driving up on the old on these long hop. I spent dunedin nothing into correct extended castell advisor bebop and they think the my ticket the difference fines and companions. I would like to tell you today that on ending my career as a pro cyclist with a postal website late last sweet marcel brought the curtain down on his career as a professional cyclist what had begun earlier this season as a temp reports to a glittering career is now full stole aw kindle is just thirty one still young in professional cycling but he has decided to bow out on his terms this decision process of not being in a quick quan has taken place over a longer time during my nearly twenty s sports career there have been not only incredible successes but also difficult times missile recently. The thought of this future without cycling has grown the awareness of the sacrifices that such beautiful but also very difficult sport like cycling brings with it. The biggest question of the last few months was can i do. I want to continue to make the sacrifices needed to be a well cloth athlete a my answer threes. No i do not want not anymore because i've always found the limitations on a top athlete as an increasing loss of quality of life that is why i'm very happy and proud that this point in my life i can make the decision to follow my heart in a new direction. My name is lonzo bernie and in this episode of kilometer zero by the site can podcast we'll hear hear from some of his former teammates about a man who demonstrated so much power on the bike but has shown equivalent strength off it five meeting that he is sometimes struggled with the lifestyle golf professional cycling launches is spread kettle hitting the front caffeinated on the left inside his comments on the left lookout but broad plates kid'll all the way avenue. I'm not sure who's gone it. I'm not sure they know who's got in moss. L. capable is the winner moss l. kid who oh makes history at. Its play quarter of the wheel is find on your eight years ago that i of nineteen grand tour stages a seven stage about well to came down to a sprint in talavera de lorraine and the german who was in in his first season as a professional beat pizzas again an oscar fred to the line actually skill shimono team grew so kittle grew with it they became oracle shimono when i moved up to the world tour and eventually became john allison in two thousand fourteen he had the world at his feet after winning jiro stages in belfast and dublin tool stages in harrogate london lille paris. It's not hard to see why he became the poster boy for german cycling which was still in the doldrums after a decade okay to doping scandals and the reaction to them. He looked the part. Whenever he spoke he was eloquent and open but in twenty fifteen just when he looked poised dominate the springs kickoff suffered a setback the onus on the loss of four men he was not selected for that year's tour to franz step forward patrick lefevere ethics ex- quickstep toward more these cameras do companies removes at the medicine cabinet otherwise nobody scored in two years with the belgian teen kickoff delivered again another couple of stage wins followed in the year six in in order the tool five of them in two thousand seventeen that was when kittle held the green jersey continue crashed heavily withdrew from the race at the start of a final week but it's a ed <hes> pity because it's a ucs talent. I don't have to explain this <hes> goulet. He was waiting five stages with us. Almost one lead out <hes> if he's good super but unfortunately there's something with him. <hes> he's a beautiful guy. He's a big guy <hes> but he's very fragile and <hes> we recover them from his former team and a lot of success but i want. He kept <hes> what he he cuts to the green green. I saw him suffering one. <hes> wanna break <hes> what's taking points every day you so he's years like yeah <hes> not he crashed in the goat he was not to satirists and nine was a little bit the beginning of a new you nasty to him. Do you think one of the problems for him physically was he was being the mountain would be very difficult. No there's nothing to do if he wasn't a good shape people's too. I dropped their bodies and another people as far before him drop so does another problem everybody to go over to moses but i was really a big mental. How did you work with and get the best out of him or did you have to keep your hands off in east the pressure on him a bit. I cannot tell you all my secrets though authorize everybody will copy me nah it. It was just mother e._v. Tacoma cetera listen myself. I don't want anything from you. We took it. We will take you to a dubai. If you oughta feeding gutu sprint you sprint. If you don't feel good you don't sprint and then you had that and say take you dry. He tried it even if i ate that don't they don't talk with tomato. We do another tactic. No no that's okay so i record to detroit and it went viral and we were we were gone. He said to me back in january that you felt he would still be the fastest sprinter in the world allowed me. He's still the fastest guy but <hes> to the right people. It'd be so my archive. You understand your caja. Experience is over my ark but he was reading like coming for ten position and passing. Do everybody five five speeds fast. <hes> cycling is only alexa also. That's why he's retiring at thirty. One from racing you retired early you can tell him and more to life than just racing bike wanting. <hes> did me a pleasure that i read that he wanted to study again and that's a very smartly i think all the writers who should go to to study again but virtually no not too much <hes> do it and then they lose a little bit <hes> array and then the normal life era by the sighting podcast in association with handscroll showers and taps the thing is important for all the people in the world shower high in peter saigon name writing for bronze grow a team for sure after the raise zero graying everybody to do to shower because <hes> sweat and <hes> stink after race and <hes> you can just refresh yourself and and <hes> to get begging condition for sure he have in the bus three showers and is going pretty well and pretty fast a a in and out in and out in hans course hours oh yeah for sure with hans grandma showers and taps doc the australian rider with education. I it's got his own podcast. It's called a life in the peleton and a couple of years ago. He interviewed kittle over a year. Dr kibble had been teammates just for one year skill shimon back in twenty eleven but it's clear that the german and left an impression on daca and they remained friends to this day only teammates for actually only young indians pains awards but we just seem to really love his character and i guess he had the same feeling for me and we stayed friends throughout that period and actually the author often we lifted saints we just stayed in contact and i always hope that i'd get a chance to rice with them again. Just because i really loved these nightjar and i was very appreciative in very humble about anything that he did <hes> and the wii sprinted and just very non-aggressive gossard just a fantastic team aydin <hes> are going on with a more than attain autism mike so year we citing conduct jesus speaking during quite a bit this year just about that next that next step and all his actually really really happy that he was able to make that decision himself. You know it takes a lot of courage to do that because a lot of people just go. You know walk not loving it but i've got nothing else to do so i'm just gonna push on and he's not loving it. I recognize that i'm gonna maybe call bit of ridicule for this but this decision i wanna make so. I really really respect that. He's now in a happy place. He's decision. We're not thinking about his character. Just sort of like i think the winners wins in general enroll that very cutthroat sort of mentality you know like kill be killed talk. I wouldn't say i never saw that in myself but he just was like august say just a really lovely how mu person and maybe that mentality ended up getting to him and that's necessarily auto show but i'm just seeing like he was a lovely love. He's a lovely person and in order to sort of eighty two cops right and just don't really care about anyone else there and just go. You know what i'm number one off go to do it so maybe he's naw. Slider was the the undoing and if fester on doing then that's an odd thing. Actually i learned his confidence how important it is to believe in yourself because when you're convinced that teammates just they just drop you in the last kilometer and you will find your way you actually do. It's i cannot explain explain it anymore. It's just a feeling it's just maybe maybe a view that you have on that final in no way so you have to go you will see what is happening and that's actually what happened. Also there. I mean everyone was super. Monte waited after the first one team really believed in me in me and i took really that energy out of out of that belief. I believe walk into it so i can do it and for me. It's it was incredible to back to to start my career. As a professional. I didn't expect anything became professional but suddenly i position where can win races and and it was just so much waiting and so cool to just see that also what happens not only with me but also with all of my teammates around me. Everyone was was motivated to do something so that's probably one of the best ways to proficient when i worked with my back in sculpture monarch but i got to say it for saying also i that was just incredible what happened at that level and that obviously went onto the tudor franz and things like that and just the way i used to do it. Sometimes it wasn't even the most aerodynamic or typical spring white just step out. He just got kites automated guard be sitting in the winfred seemed like forever and then he'd spring poss- everyone and just we invite five lengths and you just like who can do that who can actually do that. Let's say i always used to love watching screen because i had that connection with him and i just love the way that he sprinted he. Just you could see when he had confidence. It didn't matter wary very was ten th wheel wheel sick and wheel he would just do it and when he had that confidence and when he believed in himself and you feeling that rob price he was unstoppable normal and then the first race was cobby and first stage was i think one hundred twenty kilometres chore how long executive but not very long we arrive there as a pro continental team in style just today before six hours time difference thirty degrees difference in temperature pitcher. Everyone was super tired and we tried to do the leader for kenny on that day and that didn't work at all because i was yeah i couldn't handle my responsibilities of my positions. <hes> had no experience <hes> what what actually the team also. Can you know so as is expected from me so <hes> kenny then said okay must listen we are going to change the positional tomorrow so unstaged to lookout for you and then he will see how we do it and then we try to keep on working. You know that you actually learn what you caning. I can honestly say kenny was very fair to me. I always good relationship with him. At that time he for shows he was a crazy sprinter and he was hand. Let's face it but in the end that's that it was myself because the next to the stage and it was my first professional team at same for me to start out. There's so many great characters and kinney was a guy was dislike very very humbled so he came across a guy that you rice against was the t._v. Screen you know about he actually went to moscow. Okay you spring tonight. I'm going to show you how to lay it out and this is what you need to do so kenny said i'm going to screen all show you how to do it. In mouse marcellin non winning that diane look as regards the residency sorry for screen to actually be caney humbling guard nar on looking to just go. I want a new lead out man or whatever i'm gonna actually show you how to do it so that's also an integral policies career toy seating in toronto mold same night eight good friend moscow kill and we're actually enjoying a call beyond yes we do. This is actually the first one. I think i've had to be you want to podcasts. It's really very sad teams. He was able to relax as well. You know and that's something that maybe we connected really well. With some work we worked but also we knew how to relax and when i suggested to him even though he may be perini said yes it. I'm also oh can you you enjoy next week. Let's just reported podcast question. You know i come around headlock two three bs before we saw it and four five years afterwards you know so it was just a recorded ford is somewhere in the middle there but it was just a great catch and there was not like when not profession was just like this tongs we just going to switch off of it and he understood that what is is probably the most important thing that i ever cycling's from my father. He always kept saying to me especially want to move. The young started cycling. You can always happy happy with race. When you know you did your best if you did your best and you wanna race it's if you did your best and you couldn't even finish the race and that's how it is. Did you come out of the blue for me because i to agree on these storm on the exterior of the last few years and issue we caught up at a rice here and there and send a message you can't get that close and understand everything that either <hes> but like i said at the start something i respect about muscles that he he recognized that and made that decision and from any sport or any job. That's a hard thing to do to make that cole something. You've built up to do and everyone's looking at the u._s. He's position and you know he's got a child on the wyans. He's he's realized that you know he wants to be happy too so i didn't like alexa answer your question yeah. I didn't say coming. You know our respect that he was able to be men. Make that decision. I raced marcel the first time together back in two thousand twelve at g._p._s. in punishment pita hem with our show where he was racing at the time i was quickly struck by what a down to earth and genuine guy he was the star at at the time that he was becoming in the star he is today in boswell writer at team katusha alison talking about marcel kendall of had the chance to race in with marcel the past last year and a half at team katusha alpaslan and got a raise the tour with him last year where he's one phenomenally sixteenth stages prior to priorities retirement which is a big feet and i just have only the most respect for the man he's he's obviously a phenomenal athlete but he's just a really genuinely good guy and i've only had good encounters with him. You know he's been through a lot in this career. You know the last year and a half has been tough on him and he never let issues surrounding him affect the team. He was always positive. He was always upbeat. He always brought the team together. You know on on kutu shell persson when there it was a large group of german writers you know they'd go into speaking german at at a dinner table or something. Marcel was always the guy to to make sure that everyone felt included and reminded everyone that we needed to be speaking english because the team policy and he's just a great guy and i know he is going to have a positive future regardless of what he does because he's just so driven he so well spoken and charismatic and i hope that i get to see him again. Luke amaze get you the rider with mitchelson scott. He's a fellow sprinter. I'm for a time with a key man. In kittles lead out trade yeah surely that news of him retiring sorely surprisingly to many and we all we all know he had his ups announce all the time and he had a really brilliant season and the next season. He wasn't have such a good time there and then again next season. He was winning four stages at the tour so i think just the mental aspect of this up salons johnson were too hard for him. I guess and yeah it's it's a pity because i know he's abilities and i've seen him on the top forum. I mean when he's really focused something. Secret the chief much more but yeah that's his decision and i'm <hes> happy happy. The thing with kim was really positive point that he didn't do that. Pressure on on himself like something was like really easy going no stress he did his job training well and then when he came to the race he was relaxed then he just didn't stress about certain certain things you're just easy going into the races and with that approach he also won a lot of things this physical aspect goes with mantle aspect so <hes> if you were physically stronger than you're also mentally strong and vice versa so <hes> i think more heart was like when he was out of shape shape and he's still had to compete. He's still to perform the team had certain expectations from him and also the fans and it's hard to be with ninety kilos colors and always on the top because you have to come over the mountains and hills and everything and if you're not on the top shape is just too demanding demanding to the body i guess so <hes> i think he took a lot of bidding condo small things when he was out of shape and should that that leads damage damage with tax here and they're also on the racists. We talked a lot to on an easy days and then when he announced that he you need some time for himself. I texted him and we'd take some back to a little bit on one side. I can understand he. It's too much but somehow i was. I expect him expecting from him to come back. After a year i mean once he was there and <hes> surely he could be there again if he wanted. Just right war cried approach and motivation. Is everything here those two stages. He won in the netherlands jiro. Do you have any memories of those days. Oh yeah i have <hes> look so easy every time like really nail it with a legal but he did his own thing and rome one from far behind so so that was always his dranked because he could find find himself also without the little train also when it was hectic here he found the gap kissel allow beginning to open up his sprint. He hits the big job and goes. What could he do to the best of the rest of the reactive position but don't test kloss delivered mic number seven of the season for boscell kit lease-back your legitimate italia after two years years about since ninety s to live at the first opportunity at that time he was mentally so strong can <hes> confidence that makes a lot of things easier in invention also he had that name and everybody gave him space so easier. I think what struck me in my limited dealings dealings with marcel kissel the most was his civility some we'll talk about has charisma and but that implies something a bit loftier and grandchildren they're on no-doubt he he does have charisma to but he always seemed to me through respectful and polite i saw other jiro when it started in belfast in two thousand fourteen and he won both road stages there in belfast and dublin it was raining and cold and pretty miserable and kissel would be sasha ushered into these press rooms to give his press conferences and you could see his decency in the way that he treated the volunteers naylor local people who are working on the race and after his infused finished the way that he would stop for photographs and autographs despite it being cold and wet he seemed to have all the time in the world for people and also someone who took his responsibilities as a professional cyclist moreover a german professional cyclist very seriously. I went into him in cop where stage two of this year's vuelta finish a few years ago just after he joined quickstep ah we sat down to do the interview he into an apple and immediately apologized because he knew that i was doing the podcast and so he insisted on his apple to the site to finish it later she did an interview by some of the behind the scenes lobbying he done with john danton cole to get german television by the tour de france the conversations and meetings with executives there after they boycotted the tour following the yahel eric doping scandal on the t. mobile doping scandals and so i i really think that leaves the sport as a writer if cycling germany how many has regained some luster some credibility and respect i think it was a lot to get not so much what did on the bike but the way that he conducts himself and communicate indicate the dolphin sprinting is unique discipline in cycling really because the accolade of the best sprinter in the world is a bit like the heavyweight boxing in crowns in boxing there several hours held by different organizations and so at any one time several people claim to be the best and it similar in cycling because because the sprinters can win at the zero in the welte but it's really only at the tour of france when they all go head-to-head in their best form that we get to see who is the best sprinter every now and again somebody comes along to unify those titles if you like and stand head and shoulders above the rest in the last two to three decades mario approach alenia <unk> comedy show two names immediately spring to mind when i'm considering the undisputed fastest man in the world title for a couple of years in twenty not sixteen and twenty seventeen marshall kittle could probably of made a justifiable claim to that title it never did that the poster also though this is being an episode of kilometer zero by the cycling costs supported by amazon at showers and taps. 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3: A fresh start for Caleb Ewan and a reboot for Bob Jungels
"The cycling podcast in association with Rafeh. From grand tours to group rides. The Shawn's Elise. Eliza to coffee shops Rafeh exists to celebrate the world's most beautiful sports. Hello. My name's Richard were I'm with Lionel burning. Hello, Richard Daniel Frey. Hello. Hello fallacy. Yeah. We did that loss. We lost week young wish year to Lionel. So go ahead. Happy new year. Daniel happy Hogmanay lovely that last week. Probably went we revisit that topic. Now, we've done that. I was looking thinking Alicia data, and we we've lost ninety percent of Scottish listeners after last week. Well, I'm hoping you've come back from de Kooning with on Allie haulage interview Lionel to try and win them back. Unfortunately, not because he he wasn't there. He was already on his way to Argentina for his. I think he's he was in Scotland for Hopman wasn't a so ALI'S army perfect opportunity to play Aaliyah's tartan army than nineteen Seventy-eight Scotland World Cup fame. Of course that World Cup was played in. Argentina is absolutely perfect might try and secure the rights to them for next time. Wins rice valley, hold. You wouldn't even have been born. When the World Cup was in Argentina. But anyway, we're not we Jimmy Johnson. We didn't mention him loss. We used to talk about him, anyway, go and carry on count cycling size. Well, Lionel viable you're back from decoding you weren't happy with our pronunciation of decoding class week. But you like to put more. More curbing, Kern curling gather, the conning kind of sounds like the Jerry sounds like a verb. The Jaren of meaning something like I didn't know when a third world economy has a rush on when the rush on gold prices or something. Did you come back? Having negotiate any kind of bonus for us every time we mentioned the Kooning. No. But my new windows are lovely. On no. Excellent. Well, you're gonna tell us a bit more of your time with dick eunuch in laser naps. I think in the final part of the episodes in at part two I'm getting confused. But which part is what I think you've got some. Unsee with Caleb Ewan Daniel from training come that. You're out lots of Saddam before Christmas. He oversees an action in Australia at the moment of to done under. And but before any of that, Lionel do have new please. I during D, Richard. Yes, good. You mentioned Caleb urine because he won the people's choice. Classic the curtain raiser criteria to the tour down under the weekend. His first race. And I win for lotto Seattle after moving from Mitcham Scott off the Mark. But not off the Mark in the world taught yet as we speak the tour down under got underway. Couple of nights ago Elliott via ni of tacona quickstep won the first stage his first world to race of the year. I victory in wotour Acer the his lost race of last year was the final stage of the welter in Madrid which he also won. So literally picking up where he left off and that we speak the second stage of the tour down under also being held. New Zealand time tro champion, Patrick Bevan, one to give CCC their first victory in their new orange jerseys or the jerseys is the same as they were when they were CCC before. Of course, the team no longer BMC racing. Of course. So he he will be swapping. They are Inge CCC jersey for slightly darker okra, orange jersey as leader of the tour down under the race continues until the weekend the women's tour down under has over. He concluded Amanda Spratt one stage and clinch the overall their Australian right at one three of the four stages with grace Brown and Chloe Hosking also taking victories at first clarification corner or corrections corner of the year last week, we talked about the quite remarkable story of the ninety year old call grove who was US masters champion on the track in the ninety two ninety four year age group before testing positive just to clarify it. He was we were talking about why would resort got into. A write up who was the only competitor in his category should've clarified that the reason he was tested was because he'd set a world record time for the age group. Not just because he'd beaten nobody in the racist. Bit more doping news, unfortunately, Yanni Brockovich as being banned for ten months after testing positive for methyl Santa Annemie, the UCLA accepted that substance within a contaminated sub supplement that he taken hence the short ban. The thirty five year olds lenient road for Discovery Channel, Astana radio shack, embar Morita it. Biggest win was two thousand and ten and last year he was writing for the Slovenian Adria mobile team, which is the same team started his career with the reason I'm mentioning this because he wrote quite powerful blog on his website explaining the circumstances or explaining how he sees led to this positive test. And in it, he talks about having been bullied during his career feeling that you didn't fifteen feeling. He was on the go the rough end of the stick because he wasn't prepared to dump as much as others is the implication. The I'm reading into that. He also said during the till June the tour during one tool he was choked by teammate told he was zero nobody worthless quite a powerful and troubling blog really if anyone wanted to check that out on Yanni Brockovich, she's website. Bit more doping news in a white confirmation that the ban on the painkiller Trento will come into effect on March first we had long -ticipant to this. But the UCI have confirmed that Marcia I that's the last. Well, that's the first day that Trump will be on the banned list. And finally, the former teams guy and British cycling. Dr Richard Freeman faces a medical misconduct trial in Manchester early next month, some of the pre hearing reports of being posted on the general medical council website regarding the hearing, Dr Freeman is alleged to have ordered thirty show. Thirty sachets of testosterone put a coup Tesco jail from a company called fit for sport. Ltd the product delivered to Manchester velodrome in may twenty eleven in October of that year. Dr Freeman is alleged to have written to fit for sport requesting that they send him an Email confirming the order had been sent in the allegation is Freeman knew this to be forced the other key allegation is the product would intended for an athlete now the tribunal will oversee test of this evidence in a hearing that could lost as much as a month. The decision should be published twenty eight days after that. So we should be a little bit clearer on this story by what light March, I guess. But really troubling these allegations also stock, and of course, now there are no grey areas when it comes to a substance like testosterone or that. There are no no this is a dark shadow 'em looming on the. Very troubling. Indeed. I mean, there is you can't doping investigation into all gone on partic- team sky involving Dr Freeman on it didn't get to the bottom of some of the stuff and already in the published by while the allegations of the published and will which will be investigated doing the hearing they go farther than you county doping. We're able to go, and so I, you know, very very troubling. Indeed. And as you say, Lionel, no gray area Thole testosterone is cheating on if they're able to prove that it was intended for athlete, well while who was intended for and you know, what what are the implications of this for British cycling team sky. I agree rich. This is probably the most troubling whiles sort of shadow of of allegation of the allegations. And second. Secombe social evidence been sort of collected about teams going loss three or four years. Some of the stories and rumors and. Actions of amounted to nothing, really. But this is a very worrying one, particularly when one considers the timing two thousand eleven spring of two thousand eleven so before well before Bradley Wiggins second tilts toward France in the same spring few weeks before the contentious jiffy bag was delivered to the dolphin and allegedly deliver to the definite also a year when get Landes, the Belgian doctor who of courses at the center of the noise about team sky that was when he was probably he's if he was influential at all times, it was it was then and not season he had just on the detail as being released pre prior to that hearing. I mean, the things that leap out to me all accompany fit for sport supplying a testosterone product anyway and. The idea of sending anything of that nature clearly band to Manchester, velodrome home, British cycling, and if that was an error that was a significant error. It's a case the medical professionals will certainly want to get to the bottom of I actually had a look at the fit for sport website. And I mean, you can't search amongst the products. They do have testimonies from various sports teams football clubs cricket clubs, and so on providing plenty of, you know, perfectly normal sporting equipment and and medications, but yet a company that is supplying that kind of stuff. Also in a position to supply, a banned substance testosterone is well it's puzzling to say the very least. A community around the world stories and films with the most compelling characters. The world's finest apparel. Explore the world of cycling with Rafeh. Frank very much to Arriva are headline sponsor of the cycling podcast there. The kit that we mentioned last week for education. I was unveiled at the weekend. Very fetching I'll colors not my strong pump colorblind can I can tell pink and blue. But this is purply fade into blue and pink. Without be correct. Yes, let's suppose, so Richard. Yeah. I'm not very good on blue and stuff. But it certainly certainly eye-catching, isn't it. It is. Yeah. I mean, kind of tie effect, I guess or a bit like those those thermonuclear t shirts, whatever could hyper color, t shirts that were popular. That's the eighties used to change color with heat, basically body temperature so give model the effect. But no, it's certainly striking. It was stand out in the peleton. What? What what did you call us things? What do you call those things which we're like a picture like usually a beach scene or some kind of tropical landscape made from sand in gloss frame. What are those things called San frames? You mean, but see where you're going with this kind of remind. Reminding me. Well, as well as supplying the kits raff are also making buying the scenes films with education I and well couple of gone gone live one is gone live just as speaking a chance to watch yet. But the second episode of gone racing is now that focus on Lachlan more. And and yeah, have have a look if he gone Raph dot CC, you'll find links to that or on Rafeh Twitter feed or other social media feeds belonging to Rafeh. So check out. And I mean, I forgot surprise at your news roundup wine old, but we have to mention this Donald crikey. Don't we? Blue. We do. Speaking of teams doing things are I ching and ear catching I was special. How many how many folks stocks before you actually, go all the way through the whole thing without your face, Scott? I watched the old with viruses, the whole thing. It was great. Yeah. No. As the podcast resident hip hop aficionado. I found the right tough world. Yeah. I I had the very very very strong impression. Laura's DeVries was was behind. It was very much. The funny thing is he's the most my unquiet guy in, you know, quite quite a why go to me as though he? Yeah. It looked to me as though he felt his whole life had been building tapering to this magnificient point where he was going to stunt for. I love the bits in the hotel corridor with the Yacob fool scien- what like shopping trolley. Almost like they they cannot figure sayings in mid I. Rings around the necks redundant of the beastie boys with their stolen VW car badges from from the that was that was the thing. But then I can say just accidentally of ice. Oh, no, please. Strolling around the trendy Apollo of London with us the fifty six or fifty eight tooth chain ring on on on a chain round their neck. I'd probably I'd probably go for thirty two. You know, I'm not quite as capable as they used to be. I was also fascinated to discover this place called Palestine and a rapper snoop. Doggy Dogg people may not be aware. What we talking about? You can to get on YouTube and search for a Steiner rap, but it caused a sensation on social media, which obviously is the point just to just just to fulfill our contractual obligations, if you check out the the Rafeh gone racing film before you look son around would be it'd be very helpful. Thank you. Anyway. Moving on the racing has started died under and Caleb you and I I think for his new team of pseudo golf the flyer, but we've seen two stages of Twitter and under as well on I'm gone to you you mentioned there Lionel the piney Bevan's New Zealand time-trial champion because one of our listeners wasn't very happy didn't run through the New Zealand national last week. Enjoying that. We don't we badly. Mention any of the national champions do because we're previewing the two of the frowns. It's just the way the cookie crumbles can't do everything no on everything. But anyway, I'm what what has marked all three of these races. So far frustrated that under and the and the the carton razor criterion. Adelaide are crashes been a law of big crashes done if you've noticed Nathan Haas at theory, but he was he reckoned the heat was partly sa- blame the m the brakes aren't staying away. And and the writers are coming to finish quite fresh waiting for the sprint. He says issue in part is in the heat. Our final effort is like a firework with no fuse and more people are fresh, which increases the risk his opinion. But big big crashes and in all stages so far. Well, we had in major tools that we often the I I saw the most dangerous. Because of that freshness. Eagerness in us BOS the star of the racing season starts even exessive especially by the fact that it's worked oration has been for a few years. Now, I know, but you know, the stakes are increasingly getting higher. Everyone wants to get off to a fantastic start. I win is the hardest to get as they say unless you're curling quickstart in which case it just comes along as a matter. Of course, it seems. But yeah, I mean, the the toy down undone I'm not going to fall into the trap of saying it's the preseason set friendly of the season because clearly from from watching the way that Patrick Beveren pulled off that win for CCC in. This is this is now an absolutely top level race being contested by everybody just as much as the grand tools will most and Vivian looked extremely shy. Sharp in winning sage one of the two hundred under. He's he's a track racing over the winter as well. So you know, he looked like he was he was race fit. And ready to go Caleb. Ewan looked good on the first night on you. Daniel met him recently big change for him moving for major than Scott to at Loftus Sodano from a string team to a Belgian team can you? Well, how did you find him? He seemed pretty relaxed form rich interesting was can be an interesting experience for him to read lotto and the Belgian team very much Belgian team unions gone in there, not taking a big entourage with him. Adam bly has come on board released as lead out man for Caleb in, but it was interesting to observe just some of the groups that formed at the training camp training camps being held at the roughing it Dow center in Monaco in my orca. Rafeh was was around. Surely, I didn't seem guess healthy. But yeah, he was on the premises. But yeah, I didn't notice that. I'm a few called schools had broken out among the being played by the Belgium, Reuters. Whereas the speaking rod as well Colombian unemployed spent more time on their phones than if that's indicative of cultural coach difference, but I all accounts unit a pretty easy guy to get on with ah don't expect this to be too many problems that as far as his integration is concerned. One slight issue that he might have. And we actually spoke about the training camp in Monaco was that he's having to change his coach this year as a result of his move to lotto pseudo and previously. He's been working with the gentleman called Kevin Poulton from the New South Wales while previously what's New South Wales institute of spa. Mean the guy who who masterminded hayman's predominantly swift the base training before the two thousand sixteen pie ruby which he subsequently won. Anyway, you in has been working with Kevin Poulton. He will no longer be this year and is put a bit about that on the coming season for. Yeah. I think honesty's he's a great coach. But also think you have to be a certain type of ride to benefit from each training trying super hot and super specific. So if you're not one hundred percent committed in one hundred of the program, then it's going to be hot came to get the benefit out of you. So yeah, be interesting to see how how the guys from coaching from coaching. But for me, personally, it's being not great because I've worked probably lost three years building relationship with him. Now, I'm changing team. So. That's already a lot of change then trying to change coach at the same time is is not ideal. But it's what happens, and I think I'm actually pretty easy to to adjust as things like that, sir. Yeah. That'd be fine. And you say training super hard in terms of just being relentless all the chill, the the rois themselves and the excise themselves just superintendents both. He's pretty relentless. And also that factual training days can be super hod. Yeah. Yeah. It's I think he was also coach of aqua blue law. Shia. So that he hurt some of the guys there and probably some of them couldn't really handle it. And you could probably see and performance. It never really got better or anything. So. Yeah. I think he's a great coach if you can really handle handle what he's giving you. So how are you going to replace him? Well, we have a great coach on the team that. Yeah. Does most of the he's doing the training camp now? And and. Yeah. And he's he's doing all the programs here. So it'd be good to talk to him and discuss trainee a little bit in see. We'll we'll work well together. How the wise. Yeah. I'll just have to find another coach. Fairly clear ideas on to what you need to work on wall of direction. You wanna developing this year's from a physiological point of view. Yeah. I think maybe probably my strength a little bit. But that's just kind of always coming with age. Probably need to work on my sprints a little bit more. I think I've gotten maybe a little bit slow in the live. It's slow. But maybe I haven't kept increasing. I should've so increasing he'd so I just need to. Yeah. Focus back more on sprinting when I was with my old coach who is really a lot about insurance. I feel like maybe I lost a little bit of speed. But now, I think yeah, I'll focus back more on sprinting in. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm good at it. And that's where I need to be good at to win races. So for more on that in I can win some more aces. One thing obviously increases right is insurance is doing major tools. You haven't done one for a couple of years you finished one. Yeah. Could be a bit of an advantage as well. Though in the maybe you haven't insurance, but you've also kept some speed. Maybe some guys lose when they do to Gruntal here. Possibly. Yeah. I think saying before that the training that I've been doing with capital is. Spotty hard. So I feel like. The insurance that I've done actually so far as it's almost like grandma. I mean fifteen sages that year when I did it. The year ago. So I mean, the difference was Wayne finishing fifteen sages finished. So I don't know what the difference is. But I can't imagine. It's like a ridiculous difference in your overall performance. So yeah, I think this year I'll try to. I think if I'm feeling good. I can try to do geo but having that could really change their their audio. Make you make you a lot stronger. But yeah, it'd be important to. Yeah. As you say keep the speed those well. And just finding this time last year. Mitchell's put out a press release to say, you were going to do the Toda FRANZ probably a mistake from your point of view that point of view but looking back on that year. Now, do you look upon it as a wasted year or year where you took important lessons away? Performance wise. I think it was a wasted year for sure I learned to lots I guess I learned a lot as a person about. Probably the first time really is a cyclist that I've had to really deal with a really big disappointment. And try to come back from that. And I think I did pretty well. I came back in I think it would have been easy for me to really. Be pissed at the team and not do well or not try to any of the races. But yeah, I mean at the end of the day, it's my career, and I always want to do. Well. So it's it was a good lesson in that sense. But I think as a. Performance wise. It was definitely a wasted year too. Few racing days, basically. Yeah. Too few. And I think I mean, I don't think that bad of Iraq that I don't deserve it grant who was spot in any of the grants. Who is so. Yeah, I think in the end it was the team. Stuffing me over. But. Yeah, I mean. At the end of the day. I think they also lost results by doing it. And it's a pity for them as well. And. The causes sponsoring. I think the people lower down in management made made decisions they shouldn't have made. And that's that's just sports in the end. I guess and done now. And now in a team where they're so flexible with my race program, and they really want to give me a little cheese that that I want. So it's it's nice being now don't environment like that. Cost team car. 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Well, yes, rich, you mentioned people are always asking questions whenever on the tour de France, but driving around Frenchtown and cities, and we see the street names off an off game Francois. Why why so many French towns have names roads named after the same sort of dozen or so historical figures? I mean, every town seemed to have a plastic shelter goal or an avenue, Victor, Hugo or Roo, Louis pastor or rougeau s and the story that crew fronts while Thomas. No, quite there might be wanting Maasai, maybe we should name a street after Francois take our own homemade plaque and stick it up on a on a street somewhere because this is actually what has been happening in France. There's a push tonight more European streets off to women and in front a Persian group of being unofficially renaming roads. So there now he's up a own say boulevard, but it's a serious point this because. Most of those roads and streets are named after historical figures are named after men and in Paris thirty one percent of streets named off demand. And just two point six percent named after women and in Brussels been trying to redress the balance a little bit. They were twenty eight new street names required a new policy, and none of them have been named after individual men. So they've been balancing up trying to balance a little bit my favorite because I read this articles. Well is the one St. is being called. This is not a St. a an Omar's to the Belgian surrealist artists ready migrate. Like, maybe. We'll visit the this is not a St. when we when we go to Brussels for this Tertre fronts. It could be the first corrections corner. We could say yes, it is. Yes, it is. Phonetically is a street well for your free print copy of economists just text cycling to seventy seven, oh, that's cycling to seventy seven or we'll kill Abune. They're quite and quite Frank by you know, missing or the prospect of not working with his coach, Kevin pelton. Am what's happened to him? Daniel Kevin Poulton rich will be working for another well team in two thousand nineteen ninety he'll be working for one of Union's main rivals and one of the guys who's going to be among his main rivals in the sprints. Do you know who eats will yet because this is all setup, isn't it? Yeah. Kind carry off. When it's burns nine. So can we saw in the dropbox folder? So I know I know we're going to hear from him. Now. Well, he's gonna be working as a coach for moss. L Kissel cotija out percent in two thousand eighteen but let's hear from Kevin Poulsen because just a couple of days before I spoke to Calabrian admit Kevin Poulton on the also New York Marciel is doing everything ROY he's the consummate professional account fall to meddle in terms of what we're doing. Now, it really is doing the by seeks and doing them properly doing the will. I guess what I bring to the relationship eary's monitoring, the fatigue were building up and nine winter rest, and so on and there's also I guess there are few secrets for coaching sprinters in terms of how to kit that legs played and assigned, Tom. So because in your to put to put muscle and for someone with his experience and the now to be our to input a new stimulus, and you stress on the body. He's got room to improve which is. Pretty exciting talking to somebody the sprinter couple of days ago bore and he said, you know, he's changing his approach slightly in in the sense. He's almost going morals schools realize quite big engine and he's doing less sprint training now needing more volume. But that just sort of shows how the art of sprinting from physiological point of view from training point of view, still very much evolving. Still sort of trying new things everyone is yes. Yeah. It's it's it's it's a lot of fun. Hurry, the simple way to put. A lot of fun. But in some ways the Bisi rules acquired simple. Yeah. It's interesting. The he hands China there, but we're doing things a little bit differently. But look with the sprint says, it really is about being fresh the mole recovered and fresh sprint series, the foster they are. But it's the parties point with start to lose fitness unless that's what we're trying to do is coaches to keep the insurance and the sprint. So just finally carrying on Marcel if there's warn keychain significant change he will be making on the you will be making two thousand nineteen what is it? That's a hard question on K change. It's not the kind of thing you really want to be putting aside we have made some changes and. Watch watch the results. Well, Kevin Poulsen houses a big job on his hands doesn't. Hey with Marcel Kissel who is coming off a really mean. Caleb you and had had a bad season loss. You're one of the start of the year. And then went mumps amongst with winning and wanna get to Britain. But it was it was a pure year for him as he said to you Daniel a wasted year. But Kittles problems seem to cause problems with his team Kittle was in the new team and was marquee signing for catoon opposite and was put in position to to win and perform well, but but just didn't seem to have it and the job I would think to to turn things around to into Patrick lefavor the to curbing train campaign. Hayes still maintains kid'll is the best in the world of all the sprinters. But but said the Katiza basically just assumed the dropping him into the team would lead to results and LeFevre said that wasn't how it worked when? Kittle was with that. They kept the pressure on him. They may impressed on him. He had to deliver. If we're were going to dedicate the team's resources to getting into the line. And you know, I think that's whether or not in a contusion may dispute, but because he clearly in not only to the knock at the results, but he never looked happy. Really the tour is completely outsource and he had already had a bad few months, but it's interesting. They obviously signed him massive signing for them. And they think we've signed the best in the world and that we need to do. And I think that probably a lot more to it. Indeed line. I think there was some confusion and a few misconceptions star lost year about one of the the problem was with Kissel in cotija a few people pointed the finger at the lead out train. And when that really wasn't issue this. She was the Kissel was no inform was not particularly fit when he started the season and never got fit. And that's been a bit of a recurring theme or something had a couple of seasons. When issues early on in the season have blighted him them for the rest of the season. So we someone who needs to really hit the ground running needs to have a mental straight away. And then he's he's very very difficult to to be. It's going to be interesting to to see how he gets on this year with a few changes every nobles come in mostly was a great German sprinter in his day. He's gonna be working alongside Kevin Poulsen Catania opposite. And then as far as you and is concerned. I mean, he's he's going to get. A bit of about about his afire. I think the Toda FRANZ lost year. Mitchelson Scott didn't make war. I think they would probably knowledge was that mistake of of announcing the previous December that he was going to ride the Toyota France, and and whether he rested on his laurels in the spring. He certainly didn't have ticket. Good results in the spring. Didn't win a lot of races. But I think as the months went by it became clear and clear it's Mitchelson skull that they were going to become even more of a general classification team. And and with only eight ride is at the Twitter FRANZ, he was going to be difficult to support a sprinter, and they didn't take you. And, but you know, that's left him as we heard an interview looking back on a couple of years when he hasn't done grand toes is still hasn't ridden a toward France. And there's a bit of a bottle neck as far as the sprints are concerned going into the season because there's. There's no office dominant figure from maybe Vivian. I mean on the basis of last year. We've Yanni will be the man to beat. But as you say law, and that's Waal. Kitto is still probably the faucets. Money's day deciding cost is supported by science in sports, science and sports fueled by science Frank very much to scientists sport for their support of the cycling podcast and reminding get twenty five percent off with code s I s c p twenty five SIS CPI twenty-five, the website, science and sport dot com. This week question for the sizes for expert comes from James, Jordan. And I think James lives in the US because he says are am friends. Coverage is worth every cent. He's paid. Thanks, james. 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There's obviously been a rebranding of the team with a new sponsor coming into coning quick steps. Move back down to the the second sponsor slot, which well their association with cycling back to nine thousand nine hundred nine they were the co sponsor of the my team that Patrick Lefevere managed in one thousand nine hundred nine then they when Lefevere left and set up his own team. Quick step were the sponsor. They had a couple of years as secondary sponsor when a megaphone an ethics with title sponsor. And now that back in second slot. Patrick lefebvre's. He spent a lot of last year talking about the funding gap that he had knowing that quickstep was stepping down to the coast, bro. They still get some funding from that. The check kazillionaire. Denic Bokola, but not as significant as it has been in the past. And so they needed an additional sponsor and to Kern and came in pretty late in the day and not meant that few riders left. The team most notably under cavalier who went to you a team member basically to expensive for for current quickstep to Cape similar story with Nikki Terpstra who won the tour of Flanders lefavor would have liked to have kept him. But basically didn't have the budget to do. So when Direct Energy made an offer LeFevre said to terms or were you better take it because I don't want you to hold against me the opportunity slips boy because you any guarantees. I mean, not just be smart management. Terpstra is getting on a bit of just being the time to let him go and that a touch of the Alex Ferguson's about the favors, and that you know, he he's been there. So long running that team that you know, he's had generations of right? The the emphasis of the team is a be on winning winning the classics winning lots of stages never really gone for challenging in the grand tours may will change a little bit. With emergence of 'enrich. Massive course, a second in the well to last year, and we'll be talking the tour de France with very big personal ambitions this year that they believes he can win it on his debut, which would be a remarkable result. But they've never really had a great impact at the grand tours Lefevere's team lost match shagman who's going to one hundred grow. But the team still packed with Reuters can win an awful of experience last year. They went to seventy three races Philip show bat is still in the team. The the old man of team still harboring dreams of winning old of the monuments. Not sure how realistic that is. But for the couple classics if you're bad eve Lampe who won two of London. The last two years that set an XT. Of course, and Bob young who's will be having a go at the couple kasichs for the first time in this team's colors, laced them for the sprint cycle. Elliott Viana who already off them mall they season and Scotland's finest Alvarado and for the Auden, and I guess the the front shooting elephants. And and that's you know, out of it. He's going to win the tool, but he's certainly being French get some publicity. He's state winning potential and between you and Allah Philly like a presence in in the classics. Well, they really go all the bases covered. The on the management front a little bit of a region because I have to plug the hole will be left by Braun home. Who isn't quite retiring. But stepping back significantly gather around about fifty rice dice sports direct to this year, but most likely won't do any of the grand tour. So I understand given bone Belgian. Who? The two so the rider, but he will be in the team at the tour de France. So, you know, subtle changes rather than than, you know, big big big signings this year, but Patrick Lefevere knows that having one seventy three races last year. That is a a a talk that that that pretty unlikely to match I would have thought particularly having locked phonetic via who white in quite significantly spoke to a few ride as last week. We'll play a couple of other interviews next week. I think when those particular riders kickoff Essy's in Argentina. But this week we'll hit from Byun coups who is going to ride on the couples again this season not pyro by but he will ride from only news blood through two the two of Florida's started by asking him a little bit about why the team and he has come to that decision. And then I asked him about his grand. Tour NBA ambush and having finished six in zero d'italia in two thousand and sixty eighth in two thousand seventeen he focused on the two of to France last year. And from the outside looked like everything was going, really. Well, he was seventh stage two ru by the end of the first week, which meant he was fourth overall going into the first rest day, but gradually things unraveled in the outs. He looked a little bit of time on the stage to the grown born on when his roommate Julian elevate won the stage. And then you get more legacy and really fell out of contention over that mid week, though, he did rally a bit in the final week and finished eleventh now young very thoughtful young man magnificent ask I was. Came off sees it would it was looking like a well risen love. It was it was absolutely magnificent. And I had nothing but everybody it was hard to come on the conversation, really without my eyes drifting with difficult. Isn't it? It is. Yeah. Oversea Saloth cabinet tension into and I wonder whether that. Indicative of each of his macula macula glossier shiny than a life of bread. It's kind of life of bread with a with a some kind of glaze line. Oh, no. No. Exactly, right. Yeah. As it is magnificent. But he's quite an intense character, and obviously thinks very Kathleen about before like real type. No, I think in love. It's it's solid. But he talked about how basically he wound himself into such a state of the tour de France and didn't enjoy the racing told the tour is is tense and controlled anyway, and possibly the culmination of that and himself failing tents and controlled lead to him over thinking everything I was going to ask about you going to do some couple classics. But I guess the question turn around. Why have you written a couple classics of number eight because obviously under Twenty-three reveal debate well on the couples in the two loss gear. The reason because of how did last July while actually I did I did dry to regain my first year pro-. But then. Yeah. Kind of. I felt more attracted to the classics that time and to be on today. I'm very happy. I turned to that. But yeah, also winning winning last year. Also showed me that I was actually able to to win those monuments and. I talked to Tom Steels at the end of the season. And I don't wanna say he convinced me because it wasn't mind. I think just needed that little push. And I got a little confidence from the team riding on this. Yeah. It's kind of. Kind of trigger that that he may be released that I said, okay, I'm going to do that. But I also say that I'm going to use this year as and really as an introduction into those classics because I think well the experience teams, they're overly. I haven't. I haven't been around a lot in in Flanders recently. So I think yeah. Those races you just have to experience more than wants to perform at your best. I didn't want to make a hundred eighty degree turn from the ordin. So. Still living Riveria site. I'm convinced that founders this is raised. That's very close to profile is too. I'm still and just with couples which should actually suit me very excited about it. You say earlier on today how much you enjoy racing in Italy. And you're going back to the Jiro done. Well, in the past I'm interested in is what you made of the two of the FRANZ experience loss going in with a higher profile because of your JIRA result. And how racing in Italy and France compatible different. Well, awfully of hats. All those are open wide open was. I thought everything was supposed to and so actually put a little pressure on myself, maybe training too much interesting enough. I didn't have that freshness. Going into and then even during the toy I didn't enjoy one single day. I was just I was super stressed and. I was not myself in that race. But Silla of learned a lot especially this year. I I've learned to handle difficult situations, which I haven't had before. So. Yeah, it was quite an I think very important for myself just to get to know myself. Also better I'm convinced could have done better in two. But the reason why I'm going back to Jiro simply the course which. I mean with the three time trials with the first week that's out say, medium heart. And but like, yeah, it is on every stage. There's something going to happen. So it's very very much. My kind of racing for me outside. It looked like the first week. And especially when you wrote so well in the Cobos in the to like everything going fine kinda surprised to hear that. You were Phoenix directed kind of ten about the writing. What was it that go into your head then and made it so difficult? To be honest thing. I was just the pressure that put myself, I was just. Trying so hard to make that results in a tour and just couldn't relax. I was always worried about the next day at what would happen here. And. Yeah. And then you all was Julian in the room, and he was just like, I mean, he smashed it. And that didn't make it easier because. Yeah, obviously, you wanna perform well and. Yeah. So it was kind of kind of difficult to handle all these things. Even though I was fourteen you see for the first week that pressure from that we just fell off and then, but I couldn't perform India then to the end they got my. Yeah. Like this easiness and this feeling back in I was tacking into periods. And. Yeah. Experience with the tour de fail that you have absorbed coming from it. You have learned something when you go to the Jiro. You'll be conscious of allowing yourself to relax. Yeah. I think well what I've learned. It's definitely have to see things sometimes a little bit less strict to be strict myself to respect also respirators, and we kind of did that already. We have less racing much more focused. It's a level of one day racist. But they're all like, I say very precisely fixed too. To deliver to to make results and not just be, Dan. And that's what I'm I'm definitely taking from this year. I wanna be at start again and be there to win that race. And. Not to see how it goes support bugles there as you said, Lionel, very thoughtful on the an unmeasured, and I on a real talent and always husband but unclear what writer he become legend by still near winner. Now is he? Through the first couple of GD. He was mentioned as a you know, somebody who would develop into a three week stage. Racer I'm not sure he's just maybe maybe too big a build having said that is a similar Bill to Tom the mill with skill similar skill set. And he's still very young as well. I don't know whether it's a blessing recurs for him being declining quitter, so many other good writers and Baden. No, the Jiro. This year will be a chance for him to find his Mojo Agana suppose a three week tour. Are these tough hemorrhage and not team? I mean, just listening to the interview that was the conclusion I drew really in that team. I think there is space for a ride who's almost ready made and sort of ready packaged grunter ride to do. Well, we saw that with mass the Welte lost year. But. Uses kind of guy you feel team needs to make a project of setting as far as his Gruntal ambitions concerned almost like some web of done with Tom Dumoulin, who's a similar kind of profile of Reuters having similarly magnificent ha, but you'll lose you know, you hear him talk about needing help the toward the FRANZ. And you know, we mentioned loss week when we were talking about Dumoulin, how some web coaches now list of and I'm sure they're alone of sort of drill down into the the fundamental differences between the tour and the other ground tools and the tool within any given stage, you'll you having to accelerate, you know, one hundred times maybe as against full times in jeer or well to stay just to find you position in the bunch. And what not tells you is the you need. There's a lot of that goes on. Position moving up moving from one side of the bus to another. And generally when that's the case you need teammates, any people around us to do the and as we've seen in. Los couple of years is no the the coining now quickstep fully it's not team that can afford to go into ground tool with five guys just doing that for for Bob young. So I I think it's going to be tough AM. And you know, it was really interesting as well. Listen to him talk about the toll austere, and and rooming without a Felipe, and I can fully much in that was a difficult experience for him. Because I think they have very different current is quite intense. He noticed that the even the definite lost year that he was someone who was certainly very very determined. Not to let anyone down not to disappoint the team of the tour de France. But felt they looked to me is who's putting pressure on himself and on the other. Well, and they was rooming with Allah Felipe who to whom everything seem. To come effortlessly. I'm the success of the tool Jake came effortlessly, and he was also the same time being sort of adult Tate as this this national sweetheart in France, and with with the Midas, touch, and I must have been really difficult for young. Well, he's very effervescing elephant. Whereas you goes as far more kind of reserved. And so, you know, they must take all this into sedation when locating rooms and putting people together in rooms and making sure that compatible they must know them. So they must have they must. They must believe the work. Do they do on very well, don't I'm not. No, I I would imagine. So I mean, the the thing, you know, you'll go would would have been going back to his room everyday focusing on his performance. I mean, he did finish Levin. I mean, sixteen minutes down in the tour. You know? No, no, terrible. By any means if you'll remain is turning up every day with a fresh king of the mountains jersey and another guy flowers. Pretty tough to such a such an individual event the tool to France. Or as Francois says a team sport practiced by individuals, you things ongoing wealth for you. And you'll roommates having a wonderful time. I can imagine that would be difficult. What the problem for you? I think is he is so talented and stow versatile. I mean, there aren't many writers who can win the best on the age in the style that he wanted last year, which was impressive who can just sort of say, the click of the fingers all I'm going to back into couple classics, which I haven't done for years, but you know, as a quickstep team, you know, this is not writing the classics. You know, I didn't know g too. Bad example. But you know, this is the team that will go into every single couple classic expecting to get on the podium, at least and can go to the Jiro and legitimately think of a top five finish in a way to kind of quick, you know, all we talk about how efficient winning, you know, they don't need to put a lot of energy and specific f- into one particular item like bugles when I know that others will more more likely than not deliver as well. He's you know, he's like being in a in a great Manchester. United team the past back to Alex Ferguson example, again with lefavor he's he can play a role, but he can play all sorts of roles and variety. To versatile Pap series. I'm good under the luxury as well. Maybe because he's well, he he's also let's not forget when they've had a sprinter played an absolutely key role in in leading sprinters. I remember remember and particular with Gaviria the twenty seventeen Jiro there was a stage on Sardinia. I think when the crosswinds Ingles was immense. They and then wrote a very good race overall as well. So. Yeah. Huge a huge shoes talent. What will the next few years? Look like for him. It remains seeing I and yet Naipaul my understand that average ups Lutely determined than an Ottoman to win the Toda FRANZ. We wanna ride as before he does a day. Yes. And that will here in a friend special in. I think a few weeks time today my conversation with Patrick Lefevere. He's got at least he's giving himself at least another couple of years. So toy time is running out if he wants to win the two en masse this year, my my big my big tit this Year's Eve Lumper. I think he's going to have a big year for the. Several. He's got him. All the skulls Manal. He's gonna I think he's gonna win the to Flanders. There said he's gonna win the funds as even park. We funny now when he gets in a break on stage four of the tour and gained three minutes. Well, we'll be dig it. We'll be digging this by we should wrap things up their chops. 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128: Stage 3 | Ibi. Ciudad del Juguete Alicante | Vuelta a Espaa 2019
"Keep when you're listening to the siping podcast of the i spy net association with rafa the fastest clothing in the world all to the home of cycling can't right and watch with rathbone in two thousand two hundred nineteen a partner if education first kenyan strong stage three today we are in alexander that was some group you're in yesterday but was going through your mind on the run in knowing that the state we and richard with both up for grabs yeah well <hes> obviously at that moment. I was thinking of the of the stage win. <hes> did come to my mind at some point. I did ask him on radio. I'm actually for board <hes> for the red jersey and <hes> declare answer was nickel. If you went to say your individuality okay fair enough so i focus on trying to say that didn't happen but <hes> i was karimi satisfied once they gave the results that i was in a red jersey. Did you know the own if we probably have to chase down container and we try not to get suckered into doing the work you know when in in such a small group <hes> obviously is kind of the responsibility of every one or two riders to chase it up the road. <hes> apparently saw that <hes> ron was really into closing the gaps right away. It was morrison gone so when i went up sorry goes right around to me but then he kind of stalled in then i kinda tell me to get me back into position sprints but you know those those finishes is always a game of cat and mouse and very tactical to on lawlessly. What what are you thinking in terms of defending jersey a couple of days and then see how it goes. I mean hopefully today and tomorrow would be already quite a quite a great <hes> the great thing and then wednesday. I think it would depend more next than than anything else was ireland's nicholas roach. The lead of the wealth is funnier speaking this morning in eib before the star of stage three to alicante about his prospects of keeping the red jersey of welter and also what was going through his mind when the stage age and we were both up for grabs yesterday. I'm what today is turned out to be for the irish because he now the county this afternoon. Sam bennett won his first well to stage wjr daniel where all we we're your hideaway your hacienda in the hills we can we can hear the wild dogs barking in the distance louis farmington hills may palm away from the hustle and bustle in immersed in nature what we've done well to i find a secluded little spot on one of the busiest coastlines in europe butts and i feel that we need to be to redeem some of what we've said about the cost of leno in terribly terribly complimentary probably not this shape over the years about costa blanca but we're in. I i tell ya and it's definitely one of the <hes> pretty place in the cost of blank risen. The the the old town which is about from the coast lovely whitewashed washed <hes> spanish village slash town couple streets colorful <hes> it is very pretty you we went for a light drink after dinner last night and well as spain off an easy. It was a live until the early hours. I think we retired. Ah hopeless twelve last night. Maybe a little bit later daniel the that was jonathan rowe and myself just <hes> debriefing after a busy day on the vuelta <hes> but yet before you know seven o'clock in the morning again and it's been pretty warm over the weekend but a little bit cooler inland today at least least let's recap what happened on state three because other say sam bennett won the stage the irish champion added it to the three zero stages he won last year and he extends ends board handles grows really impressive round of grandeur sprint stage victories this year after pascal ackermann jiro and peter sagan at the tour de france the early break today featured king of the mountains onto leader angle maddox. Oh you know madrid show was king of the mountains with the two of britain in two thousand thirteen. When sam bennett won a stage in kathy elliot. Remember remember seeing them both on the podium at various times a few years ago now imagine with diego rubio bogas b. h. And hector say's of the use scotty moodiest team as expected really the spanish wildcard teams putting up the road they rule court with around forty kilometers to go on on that final climb before fast furious tailwind sixty descent into alicante fernando gaviria of you a team emirates was dropped and he had a fruitless chase with sergio now now and mark mccart oh for company but they when they got within sight of the pilot on the back of the peleton they could see the line of team cars which were pulled over actually to assume him start. This chase couldn't be assisted artificially anyway. Give me it didn't get back on terms so that was one less sprint of assam bennett to worry about and in in the sprint four hundred zero did everything right and bennett go over the line ahead of ed wood turns of trek sigfredo. No change overall bennett though his impressive presi run continues. He's won a stage of every world tour stage race. He's done this year except the tour roman and where we've talked about it all year that decision not to select him for either that you already retaliate or the tour de france <hes> he he really has done absolutely everything <hes> to prove that he was the cracker the twitter franche next year whether whichever team he ended up being with and it's curious. Isn't it napalm the we no way is gonna ride next year. We think it's gonna be cutting <hes> quickstep that would seem to <hes> make sense but <hes> somebody's a couple of infuse this week in which she sort of expressed his own surprised that it hasn't been done yet. I just wonder whether they wrangling over whether they're still thanks to soltau about who brings with him. I would imagine that he may well want to bring change all these his kiwi leader mon with him. Archibald was rescued from oblivion was nearby and four hundred this year. I am a stall this year and it was. It's proved to be an absolutely inspired move move. I didn't think today was a great example necessary of the archibald does <hes> in fact i sort of sold an embrace of the finish line bennett and archibald and bennett thanked him and shane in <unk> anything you didn't need me need me today <hes> but generally speaking this year i think he's been pretty key to the success of somebody's somebody's hot fastest clothing in the world tour the home of cycling right and watch with twenty nineteen eighteen as they partner be education. I and kenyans ryan. Thank you very much to rafeh for sponsoring the cycling cost. 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I championship has been won by very nicholas rotor former winner dan martin connor dan lost a couple of years ago and this year sam bennett of course and wearing the the white jersey with the green band and <hes> and and the shamrock on it over the line i did i very impressive and and really he's been one of the sprint of the season and two well the run of winning on every occasion. He's had the opportunity to do so the apart paul from the tour romandie where basically probably would have won the stage they managed to bring in steffen kuehn on the only day when ended in a sprint as he's a he's as an impressive sprinters needed an impressive guy yeah he is. I think what's been remarkable. He sort of said this is well today. <hes> being a ways really improved in the last year or two has been the expenditure of energy before the sprint and he comes in <hes> generally speaking looking very sort of cool and and and not having to serve the wheels too much and not flopping not panicking and i think the margins of the moment between the sprinters this is in terms of raw speed a pretty small <hes>. I don't think there's a clear a clear leader or someone who's clearly faster than than all the other guys you even if we look at the tour de france k._b._m. Three stages but <hes> i don't think he was he was superior in the way that cipollini wars in the ninety s or pataki off after that or or cavendish after that. I think the margins is still quite fine. Am i think another another area in which bennett has really progressed. He's just confidence <hes>. I don't think necessarily fully believed himself in himself and eighteen months ago two years ago we said certainly didn't believe he was the strongest only sprinter around and i think he's starting to feel that and rightly so yeah i think that confidence is married with a kind of an intense self-criticism of criticism almost an public self criticism remember when he didn't win in israel at the start of the year last year he was really quite harsh on on himself and drew attention to the mistakes he felt he'd made in those <hes> in those stages which not many sprinters tend to do. They tend to sort of <hes> you know. Try and keep that mistakes hidden under wraps. Perhaps for fear of giving the opposition a bit of an advantage or or just not to attract further criticism but you mentioned the the the stream of rided in the past who had the undisputed fastest man in the world tag. There isn't really a sprinter <hes> that could lay claim to that. There's quite a broad base of very good sprinters but no kind of one outstanding right at one outstanding sprinter who really really could have said for a couple of years that he was on the planet with marcel kissel the subject of our first kilometer zero of this wealth ice on you're not racing here of course because he it has announced his retirement but he'd kick off his <hes> grandeur sprinting career with victory in the twenty eleven welter so we spoke to a few of his former teammates and also his former team boss patrick lefevere about kittle episode. He's on the feed now. Two zero r. v. to say marcel is code who <hes> now before we move on. Let's just hear a quick word from the runner up today with tones of tricks sigfredo and he's in no doubt that sam bennett is in a very rich vein going forward. I think in the end i have to be happier. I think it's clear already in the being monk tudor banisters the fastest sprinter at the moment and we did a great job with the team <hes> john brought me really really well into last kilometer sprint benetton just faster than everybody. I think <hes> so i'm a bit disappointed that i couldn't finish off the great leader john but in the end i think i have to be also realistic and see that bennett as the fastest <hes> so we may be have to hope he is one day in the worst position than than normally the speed was just very high it was expected it would be a very hectic finish and <hes> with all excuse we have a great great guy to bring us to the last kilometer but i lost him about one and a half to go but suddenly i found the job on the right side inside the last kilometre on he went fool and i was a great great lead out. 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It's been really interesting listening learning to james knox of decoding quickstep nick shorts mitchelson scott every day and well. Let's hear what their thoughts on stage three were today. First of all nick shorts and then james knox so stage stage three of the vuelta done dusted in theory a pretty easy day on paper and certainly i started off that way a three man break <hes> took off route from the gun and the pill was really controlled for most of the day and it was looking like it was going to be that way for for all of it and to until we got to a qualm about <hes> forty kinda go way yamba visited disorder. They were gonna wind it up. <hes> although nothing eventuated from it it certainly made <hes> could have been a little bit of an easy easy rounding up beat harder and certainly be more stressful <hes> but i think that's that's the voter and that's what the sprint is a lock. You never know what could happen <hes> julie with the the depth of qantas in the field so <hes> you've just always going to be ready and <hes> living out to the latest in the team but it's always nice to be racing in spain <hes> olive. He in the northern part in girona <hes> speaks spanish. Certainly it almost feels like a a home race as close as you can get to really spend eleven months of the year over here so <hes>. I think it's <hes> it's really nice to to be writing in spain. It's also good to be to be catching up with old friends and teammates from. I'm from parral peres friendly bunch and it was it was like a family s <hes> it's always nice to touch base with with those gods and they having an excellent well two cy fine an excellent use a really great to say tomorrow inferior another spring day although of course there is a five k. clone training there gannett around forty category so visible lauded up again and it could be could be i do believe they could be on the full cost too so that could be pretty sketchy as down south as roads a pretty slippery even in the dry so sorry. Could we see what happens heart choose. Well not stage three tough uh-huh. Don't obviously the result. We were hoping ball game behind fabio for the sprint but we'll keep trying to get behind him. I think it was pretty difficult to be honest. I wasn't emma sell <hes> last the boy kay were all full gassing also with it's how it was really really kind of method time. It was crucial and i don't think the boys position book didn't get acquired. Why right so i know august is appointed so hopefully taken with whether a long in the race to myself today was one of those days never really got going is kind of with with feel these stages when you're in the boat saw china coast take easy kind of strange because it's a bit stop it stop and <hes> the chance of playing with the breakaway so the break trying to slow down and starts sauces slow down and the break speeds open the butch these this all goes go back and forwards all day basically so yeah i know <hes> we saw going in and out of towns roundabouts and i was kind of to be honest. I i wanted to be lazy and sit down so quite a few times ago shopping spree in our corners around about spinout towns when it was all strung allen yeah. It's nice when you thought soft top few ten twenty minutes and then sunni go all out for three minutes. <hes> wall in all the second podcast is supported by science in sport science in sport fueled by science. 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I think that would be pretty popular now daniel so you tweeted something a little bit earlier on this evening about the italian super agent and the movie star team story that's appeared in the spanish press today day that caught your attention and if it interests you probably interest our listeners what's been going on well. The context today said giuseppe quieter is an italian agent who while i think a lot of fans followers of cycling they might be familiar with the name and we've pretty much to him. In the past <hes> he was infamously starve his career and if he was listening to that he wouldn't finally hmong people and he was infamously known in italian pedal. Tony's posteriori pasta chino patchy is kind of a cupcake you past the cia someone who makes pastry basically <hes> a kind of baker and why was he recall that because he started life he started his career <hes> what before he was an agent he was some kind of pastry from croissant wholesaler. All distributor worked for a distributor of baked goods and why am i thinking of the pill was greek. Doboy suddenly really and we're talking around sort of two thousand three two thousand four am johnny savvier great friend a great friend of the podcast johnny salvio <hes> he he is is well known for having of colombian south american writers europe and traditionally they have been put up in a hotel outside tour in in a place called casado and giuseppe used to deliver his pastries baked goods. <hes> to this particular hotel and in the course of his deliveries deliveries he became quite familiar with some of the south american writers who were running for soviet style including jose little hano the venezuelan <hes> ride loyd who finished second in the journal in two thousand five and over the course of these conversations <hes> aqel offered to act as an agent for little hano and a very long short story short he acquired the the the the custom of rihanna and then <hes> a lot of south american right is there off the crazy grew his portfolio upset some some people along the way including jenny saville <hes> there was a period in which chinese have you would not use quadra name you would only ever referred him is he passed and in the last few years <hes> acquire literal has become very very close to dave rouse would and he supplied a lot of riders to the what was formerly sky now any us any and he's continued to fall out with team managers. I'm you found out with patrick lefevere over mikhail khodorkovsky <hes> he he <hes> has now not for the first time <hes> we led to believe for not with elsevier owns wave the team manager of movie-star <hes> the had been tension in the past overnir kintana who's in a quadruple client but apparently the the main seed of of discord. This time has been the carapace move away from from movie star to any loss <hes> and over the past few weeks is sort of escalated. <hes> doesn't want to work with the quad joe anymore. <hes> carapace we according to the p._c. And paste as today written by carlos arribas carapace did not crash in training before the vuelta as we were initially led to believe he was actually doing a criterium in in holland and mavi stands way were unaware of this <hes> a quadra didn't inform them. He said well. Why should i inform them. When <hes> say beer is refusing to deal with me now and he's got several writers currently under contract with movie stars a winner on the kona and call us baton could <hes> narking tana and of course carapace but this seems to have been sort of mutual resolution now between into a and a quarter not to work with each other and a team like movie star which has huge sponsors us commercial interests in south america. I quadra has the bulk of his client. Portfolio is from south america certainly the ones that bring him the most sort of money <hes> the iran's the the king thomas counterparties even soza <hes> that that is the problem the problem from avi star and they all kind the rebuilding next year with them rick mass taken from the clinic quickstep <hes> and taking dia qatada from astonished but really here in terms of star quality and and and prestigious names looking slightly sort of threadbare <hes> their roster for next year compared to the rest of that currently got but this is you know it's an interesting issue interesting so subject conversation about out <hes> quadra and you know this emerging species of the super agent in in cycling which you're seeing you know we've seen football. We've seen the likes of hold board game mendez and meena ryo line and these become kind of infamous names in in football because of the power they wield over over teams teams and there was another story today about <hes> kenya zones <hes> exclusion his non selection for the vuelta detained he was taken out in the last minute costello crews put in and in lacaille speculated that this was also to do with quadra because a quadra and has has this great relationship with dave browse foot to center browse but look i wanna put divy delacruz in the shop window in a why would browse agree to the to do that <hes> well he you know he's got a half a dozen if not more. I think he's got more matt. M. acquired your clients on his his book. So you know it's kind of in his interest to keep acquired your sweet as well yeah. This is a sort of great opaque. Area of all sport really isn't it in football some some clubs <hes> supply have such close relationship with with agents so they get many of their players offered to the play by by the agents and i think if even the team movie-star strength and power <hes> the risk of kind of trying to eliminate a as an agent who without wanting to sort of have cost aspersions on the role of agents sport but they do probably would a little bit too much a little bit too much power they have <hes> they certainly have their own interests and the interests of their the clients <hes> heart. You couldn't say that they don't but there he with with with caterpillars riding an exhibition race basically a week before the welter. I mean that's not the sort of thing you would expect an agent. Who's looking for the medium to long-term <hes> prospects of if the rider is not the sort of thing you would expect them to endorse really or you wouldn't expect a good agent to endorse. I mean you got going off and writing for some money. It is don off to the tour de france and maybe <hes> taking the view that it's a it's a short career relatively speaking mike. Hey wall sunshine but you know in a sport light. Cycling wear crush can then rule you out race while it's a good job that the ink is dry on ineos contract course and perhaps that was the thinking behind carapace riding that <hes> <hes> event but yeah an interesting one the role of agents and whether it's whether it's good or bad foot for teams and riders is <hes> is quite an interesting one. It's funny enough. Somebody nobody suggested that is a subject for one of our friends of the podcast specialism so maybe we'll look at that next year. Now you mentioned any us this morning. Richard sent me the talk looking to find out exactly what gone wrong for them yesterday. <hes> tugay can harm while polls or in a group nearly ten minutes down didn't manage to speak to this this morning dan you saw him did he did how to chat with him. <hes> austin what had gone wrong yesterday and <hes> yeah he was very good positioning felt fantastic see said all day until the peleton reached the accommodated saw climb on <hes> i think hugh cathy <hes> who really upped the pace going into not climbing and did a great job because they wanted a small group when they got to the top. I'm a group of about twenty or thirty riders and that's what <hes> materialize but ah when coffee accelerated <hes> to immediately felt that he was struggling on he pretty much much park top. I'm he couldn't even get into the back of the group which finished about two minutes down with them delacruz in it <hes> he he ended up coming ten minutes down and and and he thinks that's the heat may have played a role yesterday <hes> he struggled last year with the heat as well at the uh so it's obviously obviously an issue the <hes> i think we thinking hard about <hes> you can address every if indeed that was the problem i think he was speculating as well. He wasn't entirely sure but i'm certainly one hypothesis i did speak to oliver cookson who's part of the staff at team any us and he said <hes> you know those <hes> those young guys bracketing a few people together from from the team your civic off <hes> tire geoghegan haw and a few others advice very hard on themselves they have very high expectations of themselves <hes> and so you know the disappointment particularly for for gagan heart ofter crushing out jiro after a a very good opening couple of days and then <hes> you know kind of all unraveled for over a few days and then of course you had the crash he's more or less being on the sidelines waiting for this racing <hes> yeah the chances they come and go don't they and <hes> it's gonna be interesting to see what he can do in the rest of the race because of such a long way still to madrid yeah. We talked about a couple of weeks ago about this survey among this generation of young riders and they see that pierce doing. I'm very well. <hes> they see the young teammates doing welling geoghegan host casey seen civil carve efficient top ten instagram tories. He's seen a gumbo now. When the tour de france <hes> and you know that can that can galvanize them and it can make them think anything's possible but the flip side is that it puts m._r. Pressure on them as well because they they feel that these are the guys i was competing is and always as good as good as them <hes>. They're getting these fantastic results. I should be getting those results as well. Just before we go i went across to the zone technique. We want more with that being in spanish the zone technique zone zone zona technically technically as on that technical well. That's where the <hes> the the the t._v. People <hes> prepare for that broad costs <hes> <hes> had a chat with ola shenoy before they went on for years and also <hes> a conversation with bradley wiggins which will feature in an episode of kilometer zero in a few days time but while i was talking to weekends i asked him about the decision to bring the shutters down on the weekends local team at the end of this season <hes> quite a few writers of come through the ranks to make it to the world tour owing and james knox writing this well to are they both wrote for weakens la call <hes> and at the moment while i have to that that the coming sensation i guess tom pitcock i mean we don't want to over over hype him too soon. He was doing very well. <hes> the tool before crashing out his plans for next year still a little under wraps but <hes> let's hear from bradley wiggins about the decision to bring the team to a halt and also from our audio diarist james knox about his time with wiggins. Look all well. I think it just this comes to a natural end really in turn funded each year was becoming difficult <hes> to take up again more infrastructure more professional infrastructure in terms of teamed up to <music> and things like that physios in that to give more support to the guys would have needed more money and more involvement lessen the last year or two with other things that aren't doing particularly now with the the grand tools in that next year the olympics is well go straight out to tokyo after it just becoming more more difficult really <hes> but what he did do i just looked back with firmness really because and the last success story for me was really gaps colic who was oversee not under twenty-three anymore was ready to retire from the at the end of all shame we gave him a bike in jersey to race this year and said gone through the racist on under twenty friends and see what you can do and he ended up getting contract movie star for two two years <hes> so it is a shame. I think a lot of teams are struggling. I believe madison genesis is going <hes>. <hes> george hincapie told me that he's team the struggling each year the hall of west go lads and you know it's it's. I think it's part of the the sport really and particularly in the u._k. As well which is where most of our funding comes was out of his <hes> brexit not helping anything the uncertainty the financial sector <hes> so yeah. I think that's kind of where we're really <hes> and <hes> rather than reflect on it. It's just reflect on it with what we did actually did for these guys that he makes him today and lastly. What about tom pitcock. I mean he's had had a crash in to eleven here but but clearly in great great form and while i mean you know you can put in <hes> in amongst all the other talent sort of under the twenty three who are coming through. It seems like that a lot of them and he does look like the genuine article. Do you know what will happen. We're not too sure where he's going to be in terms of <hes> <hes> professional contract but for maize remco even pool you know he's just <hes> he had a bit of a plateau period that junior ranks and now this season we've folksy roxy winning the world title <unk> under twenty three's and he's just going from strength to strength definitely quite side as well as yet to see the announcement of <hes> local weekend's. Kohl's was this cold now <hes> at the season out of we've waiting today in the bunch too. I think is now going to be nine at the end of the season nine. Writers have moved from the team to professional ranks which is only in the last four years. I think so the teams don't an amazing job in the brief time. It's been about to move guys forward and i think it's going to be sorely missed. <hes> online tyler show yeah if there's anything is going to fill the void. I've only really really good memories in the team mm-hmm. I was actually cooperative. Join so worried. I was been promised to wolseley letdown book on amazing program. They'll chew needs to <hes> to develop doing some quality race in on yes meal perfectly for the transition to the pro wrong so yeah <hes>. It's a shame to see it. Go on hopefully <hes> the guys in brian rooney to keep progressing because dot pathways needed to be on us. I still personally doubt especially for for climbers in a stage race is still the scene in the u._k. Is perfect. I'm not sure if i'd stayed in the u._k. If i would have made the step up because the race in there is more about the power and one day this and it's it's kinda hard to get noticed as well you know i'm not sure how many of the big team of looking at what's going on in the u._k. Even even though the quality racing is high so yeah mm-hmm great situation at the moment with modest enfold in jail sierra well well if time to go now down we are hoping hoping to have pyatt tonight we all we we not quite in the province of valencia alicante. I think tonight am paige of courses grosses. Me is famous for by <hes> but we're gonna. We're gonna jump the gun about because we're staying volunteered tomorrow night. We'll probably tomorrow and i am. I'm gonna cheat slightly bummed 'cause i won't be having the genuine sort of violence on a massive fan of seafood so unnoticed where we're going to eat in the same place we ate last night. It was kind of vegetarian option hall. The thing about high is always for two people isn't it. They don't want to make one one portion because it is quite involved obviously a lot of rice. It's <hes> it takes a while to prepare a good one. I think but i mean vegetarian n._p._r. On on on going for the full traditional with the seafood and meat will. I need a partner so he's going to be well. I guess it will have to be your your tv cameron scott unless you can sway. He's a massive seafood book well. It looks like you you may have to just pick the seafood out of your hair and very quickly before we go. 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It's quite quite gratifying to see struggle with pronouncing something. It's as much pay hey back. We should probably select. They used to give you the trickiest ones anyway. That's all from the wealth is for the evening. We will be back tomorrow for twelve a report on alcohol. Was there was a big. No no <hes> all vegetarian pi. They just haven't by incorrect wow <music>.
75: A Tour de France ramble
"You listening to the cycling podcast in association with Rafeh the fastest clothing in the world tour, the home of cycling with character, Rydin, what with Rafeh in two thousand nineteen as they partner e f -education fast and canyon. Throb. Copy six birthday line on Daniel, thanks rich. Thanks. It's been a tough pipe around, if we're on six. Yeah. True. We, we were six six yesterday, Seiken podcast of six years ago. Yes. To that we well a few days before that we saw in Hyde Park on recorded a podcast on my iphone. So yesterday was the official birthday because that was the release date of episode one of the cycling cost in twenty thirteen just before the tour de France. Thanks for spotting that aniversary. Thank you million. If you could just let the reminder in your diary, we can do this every year. How are you both lying on Donyell? Yeah. Not, not about Naipaul yet, yet. Good. Yeah. The, the tour is rushing feel like a busy couple of weeks before we head off to Brussels rich locked to do between nine secret sinement seventy line couple of secret, keeping my fingers crossed that both of these assignment come off one of them will be delivered into the ears of friends of the podcast before the tour faint, if all if all goes, well, guys. Well, yeah. Were released maybe two or three days out from the tool. I'm looking forward to not one line. Yes. Some I wonder what my opening question should pay. Anyway, Francois Tomas O will be joining us again. Third year we've had Francois so we need to prepare gnashed in the backseat of the car. I think you'll like it this year. Are you taking a bike rich? I'm hoping to folding bike and but watch this space for that, for news on that, Lionel kind, and speaking of news, yes, couple of things just to pick up from last week, firstly, I mentioned, our event in Brussels on the eve of the star of the Twitter FRANZ, July fifth. Seven thirty the Brussels beer project is said go to the website, the Brussels project website to get tickets. You don't need to get tick, actually. It's first-come-first-serve. So just pop alone. And if you want to find out the address of the Brussels beer project, go to the cycling, podcast dot com slash events. And you'll be able to find out all information. Richard Francoise myself will be there doing kind of a live to the fronts preview on Orleans hoping Pablo maybe Daniel pop long soil. Yep. And is on the same street as the Rafeh popup store. In Brussels, and were you hoping to to pin there as well? Indeed, and another huge emission from the news roundup Chris room may well, end up being the winner of the twenty eleven Welte ice spun, you know way. Yes. Well, this old news now isn't it? But time wall Fru was in hospital in France following his crash before the time-trial stage of the dolphin was revealed that do you to basically by possible irregularities one Jose, Kobo the winner off the twenty eleventh Welte beat from by a handful of seconds, may well be strict title. It's not actually official yet one. Jose Kabo has a month to appear with the UCI's decision. He has given an indication suddenly through the media, that he has no intention of contesting the decision. Protocol is such that he does have time to do, so, so it's not actually official at the moment. But it looks like from could be awarded the twenty eleven Welte just before the statute of limitations, the eight year statute of limitations for doping offenses laps is a really unusual case six one Daniel, and he is a milkman now apparently, COPA on a surfing instructor, the sufferings trucks. Not the first flying Milton and professions like the other one being think fronts for beak in the seventies was, was also nicknamed the flying milkman was he no? But an unusual case one that it's taken. So long to come to lie where we understand that the case, it's been rumbling on for as many as four years so taking time to come to light, and as a result of biological possible abnormalities spotted over a period of time leading up to an including the twenty welter. So that's the case when you think back to how that well to really launched Chris rooms career. I mean remember he was only way out of team sky in twenty eleven and had his contract renewed. And of course, went on to finish runner up in the, the FRANZ depression, weakness following year. I mean a real kind of well significant race out the time. And well now looks slightly different. Here's a theory, I have if Cobra hadn't been in that race, I think probably would have won it. Yeah. Well because. It was Scoble our drew firm in a way and made a into kind of battle of, of, of who is the best claimer in a sense, on a think team orders have would have constrained from on consigned him to supporting rule of Bradley Wiggins. I think I don't know who knows history. My. Very different might be very different. Exactly. Yeah. Anybody see George Bennett tweet about Cobo following this news? The writer, of course, New Zealander he three the he the following year he'd been sitting on a plane the Middle East. I think besides boy as a mechanic for movie star, or so he thought it was actually Kobo. And he said suggestion, the three the it was an open secret that coup had had had been doper, and that he was, you know, moved to movie star pro probably quite big contractors are Welte winner. And didn't really do anything else on drifted of an became a milkman apparently interesting is the it looks he's gonna lose some of his results in between two thousand nine two thousand eleven that was the period that was referencing the UCLA statement and he will lose the Vuelta in those years seems that are curious not much information was no information about why. Not decision. It's been taken to only strip him selectively of results 'em in once makes. It does make sense because you couldn't imagine that I don't know how long he was in the latest jersey not well tub, but we certainly finishing hype in stages, and was probably tested quite a lot in that well to it's conceivable the they would have more samples for quite a lot of samples from those well, tours in that gave them reference points to check other tests that he'd he'd done in the same period. Yeah. Using the red jury for the whole of the final week after winning stage fifteen twenty seven. Well, let's not forget, I mean, I sort of time, we really with aware of one Jose, Kobo will she in two thousand eight to the front. Remember Ricardo Rico, Leonardo Piepoli? They were both stage winners for the shawnee developed team in that tour both later stripped of lows victories for doping Kobo second too early on hokum that year and in. Heritage that state win from his teammate. They finished first and second in the same time offer minute. Head of the rest. Yeah. And so now well, that well to two thousand eleven world looks very different. As a result. But, like I say that hasn't actually been confirmed yet, on with the rest of the news from the world of cycling. Well, we lost we talked a lot about Tom Damola, and his knee injury following his crash the, Jared Italia, and the, the implication, that might have for his tour to France, while we now know that lost years to a runner up Thome to Milan will not start the race. Fourteen sun, web, another loss that dropping like flies on in days, leading up to the tour de France could be a very open tool. We'll talk about how the start list is shaping up in this week's podcast and who's looking good and who's looking less than good. The to Switzerland offered up a few clues egging bunol of team, any us one their nineteen seconds ahead of Rohan Dennis up and all one big mountain stage on on Friday. Other states win over the weekend eve, Lampert, to current quick, stat won the time trial, that was a surprise issue result for me and Hugh coffee of education. I one. Final stage putting to good use that form. He got in the Jared Italian, I think so banal the winner of the tool to Swiss Rohan, Dennis second, nineteen seconds and everyone else, three minutes. More behind Patrick. Conrad of four hundred zero at took place on the podium. The other warm race in the south of France. The root docs, tiny used to be known as route to sued one by Alejandro Valverde, who also wanna stage the heat to Colombians Yvonne Sosa, and Rigoberto, Iran, Sosa wanna stage auto demain of group after J, one, the to flatter stages in the Netherlands, dealing grow Hagen and Caleb you in a warming up nicely for the sprint the Tuta FRANZ, Colonel Eggen, won a couple of stages, you and one, the final one and Mike Turner Sohn of lotto anion took the overall that the two Slovenia one by the lotto aniline. Boo. Yes, I did see we have to draw. Make fundamental era six months into the season still calling. His name you Mbo visible day may because I've been I've been reading stuff over the weekend about last year's tour, just took an take another week to dislodge some of this stuff, but I will say Aurica green at you're looking good for tour this year. The one the tourist Lena he also wanna stage that who else, one stage that PASCAL and Luca meas- Giovanni Visconti and Jack ammonia solo, the European road race championships won by WD Ballerini and Lorena. We ahead of Marianne of awesome animals, back in action after her crash, the women's tool and some news away from road cycling some big changes for the World Cup track coming up in a year or so time, the welcome will move to the summer in twenty twenty one. This is a hate of the bumper world championships, which will be held in Scotland in twenty twenty three so that trying to shift the calendar. But it's been played opposite kind of beak. Revolution for track cycling, moving it to the summer and cutting the number well cut round down from six to three and also making trae teams ineligible, which is a bit of a slap in the face for teams like who walk bike, for example, who've really upsetting me up car, but the welcome will be open only two national teams from, I think from next year but then the calendar changes come in the following year seems like a regressive step by rather than progressive one. What do you think rich? It is literally regressive set because try likely used to be a summer event on the world championships used to be integrate than they ruled on track until the separation. And the you try cycling move to to the winter, which I thought made sense and you know, men, the some try some of the World Cups, you would have some of the stars of the road, Elliott, Viviana, people think part, maybe am occasionally, Mark Cavendish, if they were preparing for the Olympics, a full year in some resp-. To me sense because the Olympic Games are in the summer, and I think also restricting the World Cup's to national teams as you say it is a real slump in the face for I'm Bishop teams like who bought by coup? You know what's the point of their existence in a way if they don't have that stage to perform on is there for them. Yeah. By tweet you didn't. I beaten the French in front of Davila party on the UCI president, pops politically counterproductive move to, to beat the French track team. But it seems to me the track cycling need greater competition, not, not less competition. And, you know, rather than placing on, if the control of the power in the national federations, it should be should be open and landscape in which innovative teams on who what Mike on the only one but teams with having to make really creative. You saw. Of their resources can challenge can challenge the national kinda means also that from a publicity point of view the World, Cup's will go up against roads events are going to get a lot more. They're gonna coupole the, the, the coverage and they'll be feeding on ever ever more small scraps suppose you made the point about the track. Well, Cup events and their predescessors taking place in the summer, of course, was in an era, where most of the velodromes were outdoors. Now, many countries have indoor velodromes, and so it kind of a strange move to have indoor cycling going on. When presumably the weather would be outdoors and you make the point about the Olympic Games, yet quite bought that that's kind of performance challenge the national team's going to the Olympics become adept to coping with I have the world championships in the spring and the Olympics in some. It's been fine world record. Get broken. Olympics riders manage to time their peaks for the summer once every four years. This, this just seems like seems like belt tightening to me phone UCI, maybe the difficulty of getting enough venues to host woke up track events. But that speculation on my part, but that's what he looks like napalm can I invite him to the newsroom Yukon very uncharacteristic. I and the baby Jero an extraordinary edition of the baby was one by under Aldea of Columbia, extraordinary because I'm out out of nine stages. Five were huge mountain stages. I'm the time gops really reflected so dealer, one by four minutes. I'm I've, you remember the time, gaps at the end of the Jiro the real Jiro couple of weeks ago. How many riders will within ten minutes of pas who won and quite a number. But they the general classification really reflected how hard that race worlds. Four statements for Colombians full statements for. British riders. Ethan hater when the first two stages, including a three point six kilometer, proton trial, Fred. Right. One of those stage, mighty walls, one another stage, but the Brits didn't really figure in the classification. Numb you just talking about tr racing that I mean it just reflects the there is another very good generation, British fraud is emerging. And I seem to a lot of them seem to that they developed a lavar skills on the track fast Reid is ready to probably win a lot may be will see sort of more one day specialist in the in the generation, that's coming next of British writers, how many of the top five overall will have received a phone call from Johnny Saviola week, you think another news again with a British angle, a Madison Genesis closing on the end of the year. This. Uncharacteristic of meaning up in the United Kingdom for three days in the quote it just making the local coach. I was going to mention that Madison Genesis. I mean night being one of the stores of the British seen for a decade or so. And yak I'm coming to a close at the end of the season. But, you know, we don't ten we don't cover the kind of, you know, under twenty three cycling. Well, and it's come on the baby. Jerry's should be from page front and center, I think it was evident during the there was a lot of interest in the baby wasn't wasn't it somehow this thing, maybe one or two performers from previous dishes. The bitter for the the big Jiro clothing in weld tool, the Heim cycling with character, right and watch with Rafeh in two thousand nineteen as they partner e f education, fast and canyon strand. I like. Shirt of Rafeh, because really comfortable. My name is better tall and the race for team EFL location. I yesterday, Osho tested them in Kabul's and pretty good. No, an issue about it. So I'm yeah. I'm looking forward to keep on riding with with Shammy of Rafeh and recommend you all of you guys all these peop- shirt. Thank you very much, indeed, to Rafa or headline sponsor. I mentioned earlier that Rafa have pop popup store in Brussels. So if you were for the Guerande part of the Twitter fronts, while the pop in and see. And we're planning to go there, some point as well for the couple of days in Brussels is going to be nice. Isn't it a couple of days in one place? It's a real of marks tribute, as stage, one is road stage. Starring finishing in Brussels stage to a team time trial through Marx's backyard, isn't it? It's the Mark sage isn't stage to. Yeah, I. For how long? Armor book. You'll know that it goes past, you know, the parents had and, you know, it's old school, and it's all know the parks, he played Tra, you know, it's gonna be it's gonna be bench way used to drink Thunderbird as a teenager. Not, not sure about, I don't, we'll have to check out one Lionel and listen. We're looking ahead to the tour on the the races. The we've been watching have offered some clues as to what to expect 'em, very, very kind of mixed picture thing. And as you said, Lionel very open looking race at the moment, egging Bernal. I mean he did win the sweeps as most of us imagined. He with, especially after guarantee, crushed bomb said, I find performance, not as convincing as I thought it would be I don't know whether to be more impressed by ruin dentists than underwhelmed by egging Bernal. It's hard to tell dancers that are really quiet season road. Exceptionally well, and I think his. You know he won the opening time trial. Didn't rights, quite so well in the in the time that was one but Lampert, which was because he was digging, so deep on the mental seizures. But I think if he's wanting to develop as a stage writer very encouraging forms for him. Yeah. Is this, the hipsters take on Egan banal though? I don't I couldn't well it's hard to tell whether it's hard to say exactly what Bernal performance indicated in terms of his form into the tour. No. And this is the kind of perennial debate, isn't it around the importance of the dough for the importance of the tour to switch traditionally, the dough finance being a better indicator of two of the front success, certainly in terms of writers, winning the d'auvergne going on to win the tour de France think I'm Ryan sang, it only happened twice in to Swiss history or since the Tudor swishes being held in this pre tour slow anyway. Nineteen seventy four eighty one and then went onto win the tour and two thousand one launch Armstrong. One went onto win the tour Russia launch homes. Did he go onto the tour? Win the tour. He subsequently had to result strict don't know whether you heard rich, but he did it flat doping strong Kobo this. But the to switch is a funny animal. Really when you look at the start, listen, you look at the top ten other than burn all in top ten who is the variety that you would think is going to be troubling the top five in the two front. I had hopes for entry massive to Kernan quickstep, and certainly quickstep shown a law faith in mass saying from the start right from the start of the season, he would be mine for the overall the to FRANZ and he was only nine nearly five minutes behind ban. All not he was away up the road on the day that one, I'm looking looking pretty Ricky to onus, wasn't it? I wonder what word you were gonna rickety is a good one. Yeah. Deadly rickety. It wasn't undoubtedly Ricky Rohan Dennis. She's a Russian. If we'd been rattling over those goals, but no. Which really rising could he hugged, the, the, the sort of inch and a half of smooth? Guttering. But yeah Roman finish. That was a very good performance. Are we really thinking that Ron Dennis is going to be at contender for the two of the FRANZ? No. And he goes, about guy for stage wins told FRANZ, but illness, well, Dennis, he's a writer who people have speculated could become a general classification ride your every loss couple of years. He's moving more in that direction hasn't Abe again, based on his time trial results almost looks as he's moving towards a compromise which we've seen and time trolleys try to strike in the past where they're climbing suffered sorry that climbing has improved on that time trawling suffered. But, you know, the key to reading, Dennis's, plumes, Tom might be more along the lines of what rich said the often the specialist time trial in the, the stages beforehand, saving themselves, full, the trial, produce the stress freight performance as which maybe a little bit misleading whereas. With a g c focus obviously, you have to be on the everyday, and not seems to be the case with them with Dennis in Switzerland on the way, the tour set up. Yeah. Yeah. We talked about it last week how difficult it is. I'm pretty convinced it's going to be one. It's gonna turn out through on the holidays towards we've seen in laws fifteen or twenty years. It might not be the right year for Roman Denny's to be targeting general convocation in the Toyota, FRANZ, not might be a year or two further down the line. You mean he needs more of twenty twelve Bradley weakened starting? Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. But rich, you talked about bound all and, and the old adage, you can only beat watching front of you. You know he distance people should distance by three plus minutes. I would say, that's the performance you would expect. I mean, what more did he need to do? You didn't need to know. The Dennis is a curious sort of the president of the equation, that messes up here because he, he, he might won the to spy three plus minutes. And then you'd be saying, well this, this is the, the form writer into the tour. He looks great is just not measuring against Dennis is confusing. It making the picture more muddled than it would otherwise be. And maybe not just confusing. I mean, I remember going time trial while people were saying, Dennis will take the jersey back in the time trial. And as it turned, I wasn't not far behind Denison Bernal's, a strong time trust. He's a strong old Ryan render. Yeah. I mean he will he will. Right. Well in the time Trump tour, he'll benefit probably from the team time trial as well. And I would say, you know, despite that slightly confusing element. Brunell would be my favorite green. Third Tertre France. I think just a no on Begnaud by kind Ling pro-labor on see known social media or watch when watching the race alive, and he kept outright, didn't he going around left-hand, bend from wider road into a narrow road nearly put it onto the garage and the other question about Bernal though. And there was this joking. Jokey picture green right on social media, as well of him rap than not caught wilda clean rap the rap rock in bubble wrap 'em ahead of the tour because he is vulnerable to that, you know, he's hides a few nasty crashes crush training this year crash at San Sebastian classic which wasn't his fault toll on air crash through Catalonia last year to win the third fronts. It's better to knock crash, and, and that's the ones of area where I think, team, many with both guarantee Mus and ligon Bernal will be nervous do an and, you know, if we say that if we think that he's told us, which was last faster than we, imagined it might have been. We also overlooking the fact that he has had lost twelve months to quite serious accidents. You know. You know, mental toes. Taking more physical toes that taken what was that taken intensive miss racing for you hasn't hasn't done that much writing in his professional career is still any twenty one or twenty two twenty two but we talk last week about the way food saying kind of followed a sort of team sky. Ask run up to the two of the franc's with consistent stage race results, also winning a monument, winning lashed liaison a really savage day. Well, that was a hard race, really bad weather conditions. He kept ROY as well when he when he could have had a nasty crash on the descent. When you look at Ben all season four in Columbia back in February he won Pyrenees, but in to Catalonia and winner of the two Swiss, that's pretty much plotting a near perfect way to the to the front and including time of the bike with a with a broken by recovering from that. So I think people get in the head still in all the well. For a pure climate to win the Toda FRANZ. They have to be able to have to be capable of producing these incredible, in emphatic demonstrations in the way that maybe Pantani did twenty years ago, the climates have done in the Bahamas and Charlie go. And maybe we forget this likings changed their few kilometers of time, Charlie now and actually we've seen few climates win grand tools in Las few years without necessarily putting two minutes into people on big mountain stages. Have we went on saying we saw a pure climate win the tour the probably Pantani? Yeah. You could call a stray was a bit of a he was a pure climate could. He definitely wasn't the Tom, Charlie. No. And Contadora himself was while control was was good. I think the loss of echoes of, of condo and Burnell. I mean, I think this could be like two thousand seven in a way where cons, adored one not all be unusual circumstances. But that was the the race where he should dynamic. He was an I think, Bernal is, is like that the even Luke quite they ride the bike, and quite similar way, I think, and, and I think Burnell in two thousand nineteen could be a could be the Condor into those seventy just have the field this year. The way shape of a generational shift of one of those transitional tools or the, the toll that's gonna stop to. It's gonna Mark the beginning of, of dynasty or new generation. Yeah, the one sort of puzzle. The Belka of form leading the tour and where the to Switzerland six relative to the dolphin and on that bell, cover form, whether or not, you know, I mean, we don't know how good ban all was last week because it's really hard to read those results really hard to even watch how he climbed on got out pass and say, well I mean he looked good. But it was impossible really put into some kind of context, and so. Yeah. I mean he he's going into the race going into the two FRANZ. I would say is the best back per team any or over three weeks when you look who else safeguard. I mean, he got more in the pros call them then go and Thomas has this year and where he may be an experienced. He does have the benefit of riding for team who know exactly how to get a through three weeks of the Twitter FRANZ. I've done it. Not just with one writer, but with multiple. And so here I'm not going to Jack if somebody wants to hypothesize bone all the, the pre race favourite before the stock shoot that I I think both calls team kart at the back of the pack lease. How would you like a free case of Croft, you Richard it for the listeners this if you? Sunken cost listener, our friends at Beit. Well, you are, if you're listening to this. Okay. What? Friends at fifty two dot com would like to offer you the chance to get a free case of cross bit. Or you pay is the five pound ninety-five postage Goto, fifty two dot com slash cycling to claim your free case with the Twitter. 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When I initially mentioned that they both shoot their heads and said doesn't sound like something. I'll be interested in, when I then explained the approach, they were taking they both ended up saying, yeah, that does sound interesting because it's very much about human stories, as well as the people as well behind the bikes in the equipment, and the some fascinating stuff in there about e bikes. There's a an interview with rob Hayles who is really his his career in bikes. But also, he now has workshop where he repairs carbon bikes, as well as many other things, including wedding rings. But that's that's really good. Really interesting role on a subject that he really knows an awful a by, so it's, it's really good. I thought it commended, give service cool. We'll be out on Friday. It will. No, let's look ahead again to the front some teams in high. Hi there shaping up. I think there are many if any teams who've really confirmed, their lineups you movies Ma and have a more or less confirmed their lineup. But if you refer to the website, pro cycling star switch, we do a lot there long less on their their some teams have confirmed, just a few writers, and one of the big questions is team dimension data. Mark Cavendish and whether he will make the team trying to add to his thirty stage wins at turn of France. What's the latest on that Donyo related says that no one really knows, including come Nash? He wrote the tour of India over the weekend. It was four stages long couple sprint stages in didn't really feature. The were there were couple of nasty climbs towards the end of those stages. So they were they were quite selective comedy student as a really compete in sprint finishes, his team Giacomo Nate solo when the final stage which finished in a sprint. And company hasn't had the best season these coming back from Epstein Barr virus trying to regain some fitness trying to regain full and trying to regain some of the racing sharpness. He lost through a long period of absence. What the end of loss in particular, and it hasn't quite clicked yet, and obviously, hasn't quite clicked for dimension data, which, you know, maybe improves his position. His outlook makes them more likely to pick him. But Doug right in the money to that will only pick combination. I'm sure if he thinks he can pull something out in one sprint finishes. Maybe the first stage may be. His first stage win could be could be one, the yellow jersey Lionel if you were Doug writer, would you select Mark covering the? Ooh. Given the options that dimension data hive. Yes. Probably would because you just never know the you're right on your, you know, the there is a chance. There is a chance based purely on, on kind of know-how and past pedigree and but you do have to ignore nearly eighteen months now. And in fact, last year we were talking about having to ignore years worth of, of time where communists really hadn't had any results. And I mean, the two of Turkey this year. We saw, you know, a flicker of Mark Cavendish finishing third in a sprint and not going to the line. You know, cold day were sort of hundred meters to go wash. It was a. It was a sort of even one hundred and fifty light bulb flickering. It was sort of thirty watt version of comedy. I'm talking lightbulbs Hanno actual walks in our that might be confused when talking about cycling. But it was it was the demonstra flickers really bought. He can he lot from that though, not the time, I think he has. I think you take summering courage from that. But the been very so the been folks star since then all all times way, pops has lost a bit of heart. You know, he's done a lot of different things this year. We spent time you'll training done call climbing over that went to a couple of weeks ago was in the Alps again, these are things that he's not incorporated interest training before they haven't really produced results yet, maybe they, they will further down down the line, but it's difficult decision for Doug Raja's. Make specially with eight months teams. A team that's really struggled a season always spoke to the gera-. He was talking about going with the team of opportunities thinking that rightly so thinking that their loss stage in this torture fronts, that might lend themselves to break away to two small group sprints amber. Maybe you could consider communist to be part of strategy of, of being petunias of going under dogs to stages, not necessarily having a big lead out trying to four five guys. But, you know, getting involved in a sprint finish and see what happens, I think the issue isn't even cover new. I mean, not tight. Kevin issue I was dimension data, simply for the reasons you're saying they're always a chance. But the level of competition is, is higher than I can really remember. I mean just looking at the sprint who are going to be that groan awaken. You an Christoph even how to win a week or so ago. Sagan. Michael Matthews maybe Viviard ni you know, I'm probably missing a couple. But the, the level is significant. Lee higher. I think than than, you know, the times when you could look back and say it with a head-to-head between one of two guys and I don't think that's the case now I think the depth that was more depth there. And the, the ride is like grown awake and racking up a couple of wins. VR meach, too. You know, needs to pull something out with the bag off to a disappointing Jiro there will. In terms of what maybe chiefs I fought this season. They are alone way ahead of, of anything. We've seen from combination, not just this season but for for a long time. But like you say, there's no, what's the risk. The downside is, you're taking up one of your spots with a writer who may or may not deliver something who may or may not be out after I ten days unless you owned, or he d moans lead out train of three or four guys in which case you are effectively putting your eggs in Boston, which probably isn't wise, to the states. But if you thinking about breakaways getting into a breakaway toward France is a bit like buying lottery ticket the chance, any writer, however, have a good. They are in that situation. I pulling off a breakway when the told what is at two hundred to three hundred two on and is communist, she's chance of winning sprint the toward FRANZ winning the first brand in Brussels, which let's face it, if you won that, that would be enough MO. Than enough and is it better than three hundred twenty probably is the, the thing about the breakway. I mean, no one goes in them. I mean even last year, you know, you wouldn't have seen dimension data riders coming in certainly in until the racist kind of settled down a little bit. They've got no one in that no one in that perspective lineup that's going to know. No. When it gets harder. Two white until probably after lap launch. Be good opportunities to share for guys like Ben king. Yeah. I mean, I, I think it hinges on comedy health on presume, the team been monitoring not just a result, since the Vigna high, he's been writing highways been recovering health is like an if, if he is healthy. And you could imagine that he still you know, that, that it could just be a top waiting to be turned on. And if the circumstances are right the, you know, the tour although there all these Spence's air, we were remembered by two twenty thirteen thirty. And if you recall in Corsica, this huge crash that to a low of and David Miller, ended up second in the bunch sprint was second or third on the bunch sprint albeit wanna think by Marcel Kissel wasn't an he was, but he was about the only sprint third left. I'm not suggesting that, you know, so many similar could happen, or we want to top, and you just never know and some of these sprinters might be boxed in or taken, I or not there and common dish with the skills e. Has in those situations there might be a chance. And if he's there, he's the sort writer, chance, do you think that waiting to see how he does in British championships in Norfolk of the weekend? I'm not sure not show. He even knows exactly what the time line is. I'm when the choices can be made. I think Steve Cummings is in a similar position dimension data. He didn't finish the dolphin. I was hoping to put in a good performance of the definite and to write his last toward France didn't happen. He fell out by pull out their owner, so. You know there's a lot of uncertainty. And I think the one thing you can't say with with not team with comedy. He's not there isn't anyone obvious waiting in the wings, young rider whose, whose position he would be taking who's opportunity candidate would be taking. It was thrown in. So you know, I still think that he has a decent chance of being selected. Kospi's is supported by science in sport. Scientists sport fueled by science. Thank you through sciences sport for their support of the cycling podcast. And you can still get twenty five percent off your scientist products with the code SIS twenty five s I s c p twenty five. Scientists sport don't come 'em. We've still got few of your questions to get through to the scientists for experts. If you have a question for the scientists for experts, please do Email us contact at the cycling, podcasts dot com. Alternatively you can call in your question. Lee voice memo on plus four four seven nine seven one three three eight two five plus four four seven nine seven one three three eight two five. If you have a question sports nutrition to, to the sciences sport experts, and you can also send us a voice memo to walk on that same number for our two of the fronts press conference, which we will be recording next week. You can ask any of us a question about the upcoming tour and the history of the race. The this year's route food and drink, we're looking forward to anything you like. And we're trying to answer those next week. Same number m leva voice memo on what's up looking through the other lineups chaps anyone cheer your. I, I mean. Before we start recording Donyell. You were mentioning Don Martin, you a T memories, a guy who saw being fined below the radar as has written pretty, well this year with them in pro cycling where he was talking about how much he, he loves this is the best route that he'll get to ride in his career. Yeah. I think it's very mix or lots of different types of train their steep climbs along long high-crime, there are stages that, neither one thing, nor the other particularly massive trial. So an honest today when we're not necessarily going to see trends fixed and are established and then continue for a week or ten days, I think the contenders fairly brittle in terms of their experience their age. And I think we'll see people going back and forth, quite a law, and I think that will suit Martin, you know, he's all you will always have relish, a lot of the very aggressive racing. The will. Take place. I think there's some guys who liked to sort of settle into a rhythm in any given stage in a given three race, and they like to sort of ride in the wheels, and, and, and they don't like things to be broken up too much, and D'Amato's the opposite of, and it will be aggressive, and he'll, he'll thrive on that. Nobody no video should of treading on toes toward in that team will add. Because with finance you're out for the sprint Fabio, our Michigan action, still without through the to Switzerland. But no, he's not on the tour de France radar. Dan? Martin is in a pretty strong position. There isn't he can ride his own race. Exactly the way you want will probably be able to rely on a fab support I would have thought, but what's really fascinating is, you know, the two of the frontiers of it's undoubtedly the biggest event of the season. It's right in the middle of the year, and yet there's so many question marks over so many of the teams I mean I know we're not on the inside of these teams but still. Feel quite old school. Some of the teams are putting together their eight man rosters sort of in the last minute coping with last minute, loss four form or spikes inform coping with injuries trying to put together the best roster possible. I know that there are teams that will taken a much longer term view and some right it will have had the benefit of knowing a lot further in advance that they're in tours lineup. But there will be a few people that suddenly pressed into action to plug a gap or suddenly suddenly with team somewhere. You know for the second grand tour in a row that having to completely change their objective for the race. The whole thing was going to be built around Tom to Milan. He of course, crashed out Jiro. He's out of the tour to France. And now you look at the roster and think, well will build around stage wins or Michael Matthews. Maybe go for green jersey again, remember he wanted a couple of years ago when Peter Sagan was disqualified from the race. I'm. He's, he's someone who could go toe to toe with Sagawa across three weeks. So it's a it's a real, you, you kind of magin every team is approaching the star of the tool in the best possible shape. Everyone's absolutely firing ready to go in cases. The can be a case of what's, what's the least by scenario for them. Yeah, I was about to say, I think what we see year of the, the tour is how risk averse team manages all whoever's picking the team, you know, in of young ride is in just on us. Women pray we've seen it. So, so seldom over the last years T by Pino was one that comes to mind into I two thousand twelve he was thrown in wasn't the one the state in the Jura. Otherwise, it's tends to be something that teams prepare writers for almost two or three years downstream to get into the, the torture Frantz and you know, we see very old teams. We see very experienced teams. And just looking at the long list or shortlist now. That's reflected in most of the roster's one name for you. Tibo Pino reminds me a bit of twenty four teen when you know, after Kris firm crashed and the race was then very open. And that was the tour where we saw the emergence of Pino Pino has been writing. Well, I mean, look, strong is always the, the question of whether the pressure, the tour might might get him a bit. But what will be his objectives glee into the race. Do you think he's going thinking chance of winning this more the question of weather if central European heatwave is going to hit in the next couple of weeks? A weather weather. Yeah. Well, no pun play on your, your use of the word the other word weather. Okay. Ain't clever in line will be someone's coming to form at the right time. Peanut will want it to be cold and wet. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. He I think he's problem is that he won't relish, I said about Don Maltin, demoting, considered himself someone who, who is a tool Mouna tool ride. Pino does not think of himself in those terms doesn't doesn't take enjoy a lot of the, the fanfare that comes with the tool. And that will be unpreferred by the opposite of some of the favorites from this, raise all of a sudden, his row hit the likelihood of him winning has increased and that's gonna put more pressure on him. He also a first week in which while on the one hand it's an advantage that we get to the mountains pretty quickly. We got his home region, the vote pretty quickly. It's not my settle things. But on the other hand there, there are things to think about dangerous and pitfalls on on all of the stages pretty much in the first week. And we've seen his achilles heel in the process been leaking time much the same way as Mikhail. Landa. Tends to lead time and just in places where you wouldn't you wouldn't suspect would even be an issue, Pino could could easily get to the foot of the, the first mountains in the version two or three minutes down on general classification already sort of under pressure, thinking about maybe targeting stage wins. Instead, that would be the, the concern think with go do as well writing, I'm excited. See what he does. He's very talented, young writer on that team guy. Nobody's talking about his Nyerere container. I'm a very strong movie. Star team. Mika Landa is, is writing we believe, after strong Jiro and I'll, I'll hundred Val Verde, is obviously going. All right again. So it's a really, really strong team a strong team. But do you not think we, we kind of know what can turn a canon can't do? And, and so kind of get damned by faint praise doesn't he was really when Donaldson earlier. But we expect a new generation to merge on somebody to a Marcus, as perhaps becoming like Condor didn't do those seven. I'm going to be the guy to be over the next ten years. And if cantata one, it, would it would it would it would certainly not feel it would, it would be a strange one e feel like I mean he's not old. But you feel like his time has has gone olds. Past. Yeah. I mean, Dan, you use the phrase, risk, averse and this movie star lineup. Look in contrast to the way they race Jiro, which was you know they were on the front fat bit. And then they were smart that a ninth mine there that, didn't they? Though think Mike shandra is going to be the touristy. I mean, max max did while to take a lot of credit? Cheer. I win. I mean, but he's a he's a he's a light character. Isn't he he's, he's a he's upbeat? He's, he's quite relaxed. It gives the impression tomorrow can be back to them today. And I think that goes a long way and did lighten them Liana, spear a sunny around that team. There are a few even you. You mentioned this point, rich. It's a team that we don't get close to something we should try to do the tool. Maybe going hang around and see the, the facial expressions alike around the movie stops. But it felt like a comma place to be then when the tour, I don't know. We know what those riders are gonna do. We know that Landau will will will leak time somewhere and be forced to play catch up. We know what valve iodine you'll be they'll be a campaign on Twitter to free Lonza exactly. Yeah. Cantona again. We've said it before. Doesn't have that change of pace to when whenever we've seen him win. We won the shore stage last year didn't didn't with a again, it was kind of that's, that's all you can do after the ship has sailed. I mean, I also think I just don't see Kintana beefing. Bernal, nah. I think if you put those two head to head Bernal has the edge for me, every day, if he can stay right. Rigoberto around. He's closer to contain of to banal in terms of, you know, he's eve reliable. But he's a winner in the sense in this pure, Saint doesn't win stay trace it. He finishes second or third. Well fellas before we go through the whole star. She just trying to avoid any well trying to create some kind of audio that we can play back at the end to show anchor our predictions. But can we end with one wacky prediction from each of you? Why key prediction wacky today honest, but the brake on the opening day of the tool to ride isn't it one from one t group go there and the other from total Derek energy, and I will get? I we get three minutes and then lease wacky prediction. I mean, there's only why I didn't find the writers, please. Owed christian. I king and Damian go down poor old Christian. Viking the dough FINA he was consigned to the press room for the last day. He's been holding the pressroom. I'm I think you sick and I don't know. Why was nice seat from on the team car on the team bus? But there he was sitting talking into his robe law, Sean and, and salad buffet. He'll donyell. Well, I'm gonna introduce a new concept to the podcast pod riding grunted ally zoo, Belliote, the opposite. They're perfect antidote is writing grunted, Allah, Atta Puma, riding general classification. I LA Puma now. We mentioned shandra earlier in the podcast. Mike shandra explain this concept to me on the JIRA and not to my husband known to ride general classification. He hasn't had great results in general classifications in the past, but to finish between about ten th and twentieth place by deliberately fully out of general classification. Deliberately losing time in order to gain time again to get back into general classification. Somewhere later later in the right. How'd you as a method money was quite well, because there's some rain falling where they didn't like having to concentrate every day. And, and you know, having to suffer in the wheels of, of sensibly better riders every day. And then maybe that's short commit. That's come the lazy way of getting a good good position on general classification. So who's going to do that this year? I think he's going to face eight riding outta Puma. By the way, don't we not to premodern how widespread this is how well known is. But he's known by some writers and stuff members of various teams to carries the the eagle that you love. I don't know why not you love it. Sounds like a bond film. And. Interesting. What you say, but that method of writing is the opposite to TJ guardrail until the start of this year about how he, he, he couldn't imagine not writing everyday for g see I'm having that, that kind of pressure. But that sense of purpose that comes Flannery way. Yeah. Lacey way more. Amar. Gill. Sure, they could be a candidate on holiday, basically just mincing bar. On day one good day. Couple years ago, did lose time. Remember plunged about fee and all these stages? He was losing time in it as we finally thrown it was deliberate. He didn't climb up not far up over, all classification, people do we'd be with the goal of winning stage. Yeah. Yeah. We'll keep our eyes on that one. That's interesting. My Weiqi prediction is Simon Yates win the tour de France having re recovered as Mojo off to the Jiro. I'm just with that, you know, there's nothing wrong with them healthwise without work from the Jiro in his legs and a break in between. He goes to the turn wins at 'em. I'm sure that he's writing. And but we think he is. Yeah. Obviously going as leader I think, if he's if he's healthy and strong, those two Siamese could be very dangerous combination. However, I do see Siamese writing allies Puma and losing time in the early part the race prompt. So we'll see about that anyway, we should wrap things up. We'll be back next week with the press conference. In the meantime, will be releasing episode of service course to give a listen on what you think final coal is well for suggestions for good. Cause for the, the mugs that will be selling Jew. All the proceeds from the monks will go to a good cause 'em. Keep nominations coming, send them to contact at the site can podcast dot com and we'll reveal next week, which could cause will benefit and also how you buy one of Stacey Snyder's. 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20: Flanders fine tuning and moon racing
"You listening to the cycling podcast in association with Rafeh, the fastest clothing in the world tour, the home of cycling with character ride 'em what with Rafeh in two thousand nineteen as they partner e f education fast and canyon throb. Hello. My injured should Moore with Donald free. I lowered and Lionel Bernie Jala Richard together. Again chops making a habit of this. Yes. Going to next week. Lonzo don't get comfortable until Jiro will be reunited that Jiro opening. We cannot far away. Now is a note. I'll be in the advance party on the I get things ready. Few chaps. Yeah. I think so quite being didn't else to go in the first eighty Richard. Anyway, how are you? Both are you. Well, but. Coming off winning weekend or up in on coast this weekend. Golf course. Couple. Did you? Yes. Well, how many watch did you hit nod? I brought himself away for the second putt cost. Yeah. I am one. My my father's annual golfing age extravaganza each category. Thirty eight to thirty nine years. I each. Anyway, however, you Lionel, and where are we we're at the national theatre Kanerva old school central London venue after eighteen players aren't we being too Materia up in Pancras area law few weeks, we've been at bar Talia in SoHo if we can't carry a moving this far south we might make it for the star of the Jiro in bologna a few weeks time would just south of the times here. I'm lucky I'm here fellas along and late journey back loss night from Belgium of lots of while accusing the Eurotunnel really could be was offices on strike. It could have been worse the buffalo of Florida's. How was it? It was great. Yeah. I was over for. I caught the end of the women's world tour race in depan on Thursday Friday was three or the three Bank. Classic is. No. And then a really thrilling and welcome on Sunday. So pack the law into my. Four days in Flanders and you back out for the tour Flanders, I'm pay regain. Indeed, I'm high. You are the coupled king they spring and mostly going to take in scale, the priest and the bromance appeal. Nice both writer the envy three who's favorite race as prevents appeal. Can you guess who it is will return to that will return to that? But if you use for us, please line have loads of racing going on. So I will try and rattle through this. We'll start in Catalonia the tour of Catalonia where Astana continued to general classification run victories with Maganga Lopez taking the overall on his head of Adam Yates who was also second tier Adriatico week and a half ago egging Benalla team sky was third a really competitive weeks racing. Kind of a patent emerging in need early stage races this spring as Donna win an astounded win Adam Eggen banal, you know, there's there. Are patents forming as we head towards the grand tours and tour of the Basque country, or it's Yulia which is in between Florida's and ruby will probably confirm this patent some of the stages that caught the eye Thomas again with a trademark lone breakaway win on state won a couple of wins for Michael Matthews. Chris Fru crashed in Las fourteen minutes on stage to Ida meets one stage gallon, Gallo Pez laid the foundations is overall victory by winning stage and boar hunters grow. I had a good week with state wins for max, Shaq moon and on the final day Davidoff formal there were some crushes on the final day Roman day, most notably crashed around forty kilometers to go on the mon-. Huque descent suspected fractured ribs for AG to is leader and really bad luck for Simon Geschke of CCC. He fractured elbow in the welter Mercier five six weeks ago. And have broken collarbone in crash in Catalonia. So he is back on the sidelines. The rest of the racing really is being focused on Belgium, dealing grow on the three days of dependent. Now a one day race. Of course, a head of finance caveat. And Elliott Viana couple of crushes. There will probably talk about this race in passing when we focus on get wagon because I kind of lead towards a tour flow into Sunday. But Luke coverage is out of the rest of the couple classics Mitchell. Scott Roddick crashed and confirmed fractured color bone. Steny exte- Steve won the three pink Bank classic, beaten, wealth and art and Greg Manama. That follows his victory only pet news black a few weeks ago and continued to current quick steps run of one day victories in the world tour quite remarkable run. They've had about they didn't take the owners. Welcome on Sunday. We'll talk about that. But Alex under Kristof back the victory for you a team. Way from Belgium, briefly Rudy, Bobby of Israel cycling, academy won the classic Loire Atlantique in France and the following day. Mark Sarah who'd been second at the grand prix Dennen and second at the classic Atlantic took the grand prix chalet in Italy at the Settimana copy, barley Mitchell and Scott one team time trial to set up a top three four them over or Lucas Hamilton Damian house, Nick shorts with the order. Their Mika Landa whose only way back from that bad crash at San Sebastian classic last, August, also one stage so things beginning to look up for movie stars by Skride there and the women's world two his both won by custom build of the Netherlands. She won the three days of bruised upon and then get wagon honorable mentioned to W N. T rotor teammate. Lisa Brenner who was on immaculate lead out duties for custom build shit lots of racing but the standout race of the week. I would say was getting them on Sunday rich, fastest clothing in the world tour, the home of cycling with character Rydin watch with rather in twenty teen as they partner e f education fast and canyons rammed. It's difficult. 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And yes, certainly, the type of the type of thing that deserves peddler to Sharma ward than he was very pleased to get that didn't feel like he'd done anything exceptional, really. Because a friend of his not in that in itself charming, isn't it? Absolutely. So any again, welcome which probably the pick of the races of the last week. It was a hunting wasn't. I mean, we get welcome. It used to be a mid week race. And it's it feels like status has been growing. And this is also been growing, which is maybe factor feeling just like a meteor dish than it used to be and still a race that you know, can finish in a bunch sprint. But the weather plays a part the chorus plays a part, and certainly this I- mischievously suggestion Twitter that could be the sixth monument. I it was a joke. You know? I don't think just because we see a great addition of a particular race automatic to be included a monument, but it was a great addition wasn't it. Yeah. You mentioned the distance is now two hundred and fifty plus kilometers Easterby sandwiched between the two of Florida's and pyro bay was around two hundred kilometers. I think the addition of the Pook streets. The gravel sections makes it visually more appealing than than it did before not that has a great impact. The race. And there's always the chance that the wind might blow and break things up. But the race was full on right? From the start wasn't it. I mean, I don't know whether you saw any of that. But certainly the what was being reported about how it broke up under very aggressive racing conditions early on took its toll in the end. When you look at leagues Kristoff who was the strongest in the sprint by far. And then Vellon posted his average power output for the day three hundred and forty five watts. I mean that was such a figure even down Lloyd with querying whether that was correct on Twitter seeking clarification that gives you an indication of just a hard day. It was not perhaps hard to win as to Florida's a significant increase in workload compared to the previous two races last week. And we always come to think of Chris I was only thrive in difficult races. I think quite steady race. As a high pace from the start long races. And that's exactly what Sunday was. I mean, you never really lets his team down. He's always there there about spend a while since he's produced kind of performance in that kind of company, but he's he's definitely danger. Now for tour flown is I have why doubts about him on the tour. Florida's coast before he wasn't flawn isn't if you remember then he was wearing Nike tub stern mice to drop him on the Potter Bogan. So he was he's he's a stocky so of going and sometimes even stockier than while stock in never at the moment, but he can get up the climbs. I mean interesting to your thoughts on whether we will is a better guide for Florida's than e three Greg van other weekend suggested it's not on the three gives us a better idea of who's gonna go. Well, I mean lost years, the helping various riders done the double d three Florida's double. Lost year tubs today, country origin in two thousand thirteen Boone did into thousand twelve but Veba the longer race. Isn't it two hundred fifty compasses and yesterday's speaking Monday was particularly tough edition of. And it was interesting because when entire race with the couldn't quickstep on this incredible run of victories. And it was almost as if the other teams were just going there to make as hard as possible for them because it was one of these racists where unusually to can increase had one leader, you know, in the big threat that they pose dresses having so many options and get welcome 'em. Vivani went really close last year was really upset by that. And it was one of his main goals for the year to go back and try to win there is so it was a race where the the quickstep game plan was very obvious. The other teams are not maybe made it easier for them to take them on. And just. Disrupt that a little bit. And we saw early doors and pizza Saigon was obviously in that move with some Bora Hans Groer support but track safe frito anew movies. Mma were also there in big numbers to and so did the other teams were really taking the fight to them. Yeah. And it forced to curling quickstep to do a lot of work in chase. Didn't it I with Tim to Clack. And then there is this kind of jostling who are they saving because stent St. body a lot of work and view bear Phillips. You'll bear was kind of saved until quite late on clearly they had everything in for Elliot Viana. But having missed the break, the responsibility fell squarely on them to bring it all back together. So left Vivani to freelance in the sprint. And we shouldn't overlook the way that you a team member played that because I had Kristoff and Gaviria Gavaglio who was second indepao. No a few days before. But in his interview off towards Kristof said Gaviria told him with around ten. In columbus. Go I'm not feeling so good. So you go for it via only, of course, with Gaviria Zueco Gaviria did the perfect teammate job of pretty much shutting the door on Vivian boxing him in by letting little gap open around about the time that Kristof took his took his flyer. So it was a well thought-out win by Christopher. Because of course, he was off the front of the main group, we were speculating whether or not he was trying to bridge up to the well to from Alan piper. The m the team boss you a D memories used to be BMC for many years. Of course, he moved over the winter. The Australian former writer and he spoke to him the finish about Chris stuff to win and high income by while you must be delighted with a real finish. Chris office oppose strongman's finish. It wasn't that strong winds race. Yeah. But it was really hard rising one hundred fifty guys in the first three hours. That's like fifty everage if you you know, that difficult to work out. But it was it was a very very hard rice. We had to write his left IVA phenomena who was was in the initial break of fifteen in Alex was behind. I think he really did. Well to the second time up the camel get out in front before does big attacks came on the Kimball and saves energy a little bit. And you know, I've got to say hats off to Fernando came up in the final even though us dead and tried to give Alex another hand. And, you know, Alex's good after two hundred fifty you know, he loses nothing. So we saw that in the sprint as well. So you think going the way that the try and l- like to try and bridge across leaders aren't helped him in then office. Sure, it wasn't just so much about bridging across to the leaders. It was getting out in front for when God like St. by attacked on the climb. He can't answer that. And I think he anticipated that really well because that can break a lotta GAAS legs. You gotta had him front. They caught him off to the Klein came back together again. But it unfolded in the end luckily for us because we had no help as apart from the two sprinters. So we just had to gamble on a sprint finish sometime. Piper. Interesting. When we saw Christoph trying to well like he was trying to bridge across to the five leaders because that big eighteen month group, and it splintered, and well, they were caught weren't they? And then four of that group went clear Saigon and might turn us son Edward tones, and Matthew Trenton, and that was a very strong can quartet. And there was it. Didn't look like there was a well organized. Chase behind though there were three or four quakes that writers moment there, and it was like they were waiting a little bit before they committed because they didn't have the numbers they need this the seven man teams might be a factor in this as well. And the the difficulty on a course of keeping things together and Baluch rule had been in their journal move chose that moment to go and try and bridge across which looked like us strange thing to do he made it then Christoph win as well. And we thought he was trying to the same thing. But piper suggesting there actually was just trying to get head before the second and final Santa the. Handlebar what you mentioned seven months teams, rich. I think on in a two hundred fifty two race, which is hotly contested from two zero. That's when you you really see teams are gonna get completely blown away. If they have to use men in the first couple of hours, and yeah, we talked about it Milan-San Raimo over that distance two hundred and fifty plus you are vulnerable and quick CEPA gonna be so coining gonna be vulnerable influences by virtue of the fact that everyone is going to be watching them. And they've got a lot of a lot of kind of attackers. In a lot of guys who are who are there to try to win the race in and not just as workhorses? What did he make Peter Sagan being in that group because he's one game where a couple of time. We're things four times. Of course. Yeah. Doesn't need to win. It again. Does he really I mean, it's not like, I mean, we nice, obviously. But he's form hasn't been fantastic. He's been a little bit ill before Milan-San who was kind of visible in Milan. San Remo the road working hard in this break. I wonder he wouldn't be. I thought probably looking ahead at the two of Florida's trying to get some hard work under Wales and before the two of Florida's were more. So than thinking that that was a great bit of a group to go all the way to the finish fact that corrections coronaries one of three times. Sorry. It was going for his fourth win. A course in game ever give 'em. I thought the Yemen because e three he did what he's done before. He three do you? Remember the year e three where he just blew up and seem to run I of energy. I can't remember what year that was. Maybe. The scene on. So you know, I'm not is a shorter race. And see your e e quite surprised that. But then it depends so efforts you make anything to me like level game. Was he was right blowing the cobwebs if combed webs he was, you know, he he we've seen Kristof figures for the apparently bagging comb average three hundred thirty watts. He was also not move. But sagi-, you know, efforts over the course of the must have been off the charts as well. Because he was in that first movie was the law of working as well. It didn't lead to me like he was writing in a way where winning was the number one priority. And then when he went with second move, again, he was working very hard on it. So, you know, he's I don't think there's anything wrong with his condition based on their mind a work that he did over the course of the Dan it could just be that you're trying to boil. Yes, I which is what we suspected as find that top end with a week to go even further, you know, he's he's going to bust on the Asia's. Well, so you know, he's got another four weeks five weeks to to to try and be in or find winning farm. He's pirate bay title defensive. I, you know, there aren't many writers who could make the efforts they made. I mean, Trenton impressed me a lot as well. And again, we questioned tastes Milan-San ramo. But the condition is extraordinary. He's cited for funds as well. It would thought another writer who wrote very well. Get welcome. Having had a terrible time e three was Luke grow from team sky. And he said a very interesting thing afterwards where he was talking about. I was asking whether the adjustment back to the the small couple druids of Belgium was difficult because we saw him right? So well pioneers recently, he said the thing that's most difficult is actually adjusting from being a team helper to team leader going from writing very selflessly to writing very selfishly finds quite a difficult adjustment to make 'em. You'll hear a slight longer interview. Them where the one we. We're here in a new friend special, which we've just released today thing we went in there for to Flanders nine team sky nil. And it's a look at a curious to stick where team sky have for all this excess is they've never really produce the result or finders three top tens in nine editions. No podiums and only two writers ever in the top ten guarantee Mus and Luke rue. So we're this is a study really of team sky's performance in that race. And why asking the question why is it through find difficult rates we discussed that we also hear from rod ailing worth service Cavan, Patrick Lefevere? My Heyman wanting twentieth Fletcher and Luke crew, but will hear a little bit from that into Luke grew here. He three euros this pointed after after the race was important today. Just to do something to as you say get your confidence and give yourself a bit of a boost into Flanders. Yeah. It was important just a balanced back in. And somewhere in other like I said to be done now, and we stopped and got result. But just to be in the thick of it, you know, early Crossman being the financial on. And and I'm being the moves towards the end. It's good for morale and his support to you know, at least one performance out before before the big to you not felt confident day felt strong day. And that's of course, the results is the most important thing. But it's also, you know, it's a nice feed into be able to like an feel good. I mean, we saw a strongly-worded Pyrenees is when you come back to these races. And these roads case of finding that rhythm again is quite cannot be quite difficult adjustment. I think no. I don't think finding the rhythm is is difficult. But one adjustment is. A bit tricky is up until now I've haven't written for myself once and it's being writing for others and putting yourself in the wind to protect the other guys, which is kind of my nine to five day job. And then on the weekends yet of apply yourself, that's kind of feels so it's just kind of change that mentality which also has effect on the way you ride in the peleton as opposed to thinking of others. You got to kind of be selfish. Look after yourself as the only change I feel salute grew there. And if you want to hear that new friends special, become podcast cycling, podcast dot com. Thanks, everyone. Who already is a friend of the podcast. What else did we learn from game? Welcome in particular about the two of Florida. I thought Nikki Terpstra look good in unfamiliar colors oversee no longer part of the the quickstep blue. He's writing for Direct Energy. Have you been following Nikki tipsters coach climatize ation diorite energy on their their videos? They are on on YouTube. It's bit. Live you ever seen the film out? Someone someone having curled on Santa's sack them having to live as a Hume as a human being having grown up personnel. F-? You mean, he's struggling to adapt. From Dutch to French. Yes. No, not linguistically. Yeah. From fairly rural. Chris I got the impression. Still get the impression Reggie rural environment on the coin, inC, and happy. Go lucky kind of atmosphere. Coining quickstep team bus to an altogether. More sort of downbeat thinking he could just change turn. The Dutch flag on it side Walla. Yeah. Interesting, isn't it? I mean turps a lot writers left quits F. And then thinking Marcel Kissel and others have been not really produced the goods Terpstra just looks like the writer he was quick stat. And and he's I'm quite contain ranked the team up with them, and they have I drank potatoes fifth in government is very comforting on class in the couple classics. Go down is always very prominently races. And one result would make the spring for them witness. So I'm I definitely wouldn't right tub. Strove, you know, he's got two big shots left. The turf lawn is empire buying. I think he's very much contender for for either of them. Yeah. You went with about fifteen kilometers to go on Sunday the run into wave again, very difficult running that because it's pretty much one row. It isn't it straight away into the outskirts of town, then there was a move with the story. And Sebastian Langeveldt, Jack Bauer and the NBA vis mirada who Richie said impressed. You today with Aaron numbers weren't they? It was grown doll Youngson in not phone moving for a while that looked like it might go to the finish. But that put to coining quickstep under of pressure. They had to really turn turn the pace on and that intern meant video, and he was left to his own devices. So in a way that helped Kristoff in the final in the finish on your. I see what else did we learn confirmation Oliver NAS, and is in tremendous form, and you know, maybe doesn't have this team support with Flanders being that much harder. More selective. I think he's a real threat because he's fast finishes on. We're talking. We were talking law in our team sky special. We've just released by the importance of having fast writer to win these races. I think for many years he'd written. Himself off as a as a finisher as a sprinter and got into his head. He couldn't sprint. I think he found himself in a position to have to try a couple of times they spring and is realized as a lot quicker than he. So remember thought I totes off the game fable about about how he's just in confidence in his finishing. Now. He's quite willing to wait in a group. Like he was in game available government and think he's got a chance and third in. What was he third lost week somewhere Milan? Raimo hearing me last time, Raymond. I'm third in camp. So yeah. And you know, I think we've spent many times when riders go into one day racist big one day races with that confidence. And with that willingness and ability to white then it makes them doubly dangerous. Cycling team on the back of the tax lease PK race radio. The two of the FRANZ to remind us to tell you that. This week's episode is sponsored by the economist, which is about far more than just economics and finance. It covers a range of subjects from politics and business to science technology. They are and the environment. 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And discussion that we are increasingly having, you know, who's an appropriate sponsor of professional cycling teams and this concerns the the story I mentioned last week, but the cycler family in the US who developed the opioid Arctic content and are blamed by some 'em for the opioid epidemic. In america. Take on a lot of cultural institutions are refusing their cash, and they communist makes very interesting argument. I think it says the campaigns against tainted philanthropy are weak. If money was legally earned museums shoot in most cases, feel free to accept it. Does it benefit humanity? More return a sack of cash to the cycler or to spend on bringing culture to multitudes and those who decry the laundering of corporate reputations. Through charity. Forget something it does not work. Well on this connects said to our conversation we've been having. Companies are even states using sport to green moss reputations. And the key question, maybe should be doesn't actually work or does it highlight? And some of the the misgivings that people have about those companies own. Yeah, it's actually shining. More rely on the issues and bringing them to lie to an audience may not have previously been exposed to those article finishes people give to museums or we could argue sports teams or events in the hope that they will be remembered. Well, all the really achieve is to be remembered while actually old is there any such thing as bad publicity argument, isn't it? Well, there we are. Well, I if you'd like to get a copy of the economists sent to your house, text, the word cycling, two seven eight zero seven zero cycling two seven eight zero seven zero so inevitably we're looking ahead to Flanders. And we haven't talked a lot about by e three. But as you said, Lionel e-3 and and get welcome. Do they both offer or for pointers the big question? I suppose. About the coin quickstep and more what they do something. We were talking about before we start recording was eveland parent. His his looked really strong and good has not been let off the leash. He's been very much constrained intersts or domestic role and we've seen a law of him in his Belgian champions jersey, but he's certainly not being protected writers who find just wonder if this is all I if there's going to be a major payback for him and one of these two races coming up Flanders rebate. Well, there's an embarrassment of riches for decoding you just won the, you know, how they their protest like a race like Sunday's race tour Florida's how to what extent you can have a game plan, and how dynamic you have to be in in the ability to change that game plan as things go along. What would you do with, you know, how would you? Shuffle your pack of lamp Pau Sheila, you'll news legal. I mean, almost forgotten goes. But almost almost one e three as well than incredible right by him. And yeah. I think the strength is the options, you know, as opposed to get them where they had one. They only had really one plan. They are not Mason kinda easy for other teams to to to destroy it. Or spoiler 'em at two funders, Heidi you Heidi on. I was looking at the in researching the absolutely just done skies flounders failure. You know, they couldn't quakes that quakes that have one Flanders three times in the last ten years at eighteen writers in the top ten that's pretty much two year and the top ten and if you're placing two writers in the top ten you're giving yourself a really good chance of winning the race yet. But you would expect that from the riders they've got if you look at their seven take Tim the clerk out because he's going to be the workhorse. We assume probably got five writers who could finish on the podium and from the star of the year that the training camp in press launch they had in Spain where spoke to eve lamb. About these races. He's one dollars flounder in the last two years. That's coming off a course between where we're speaking on Monday and the two of Florida's on Sunday. I if Lampert is out trying to win that that will give you a clue as to whether or not he's going to be protected on Sunday my suspicion is he won't be prominent in that race. My ROY perhaps who knows but. I would have thought that you can go show bad and Lampe cover the basis with with St. bars are kind of because if he's results, you know, somebody who can go maybe a bit further out. But the luxury they have is they can put somebody in every move going. If if they want to I mean them on the big question is Meena hire. Manny couldn't quite set writers. Are there in Daniels list of the eighteen list, so eighteen when slightly writers twin tour Flanders in descending? Order St. Bon Nelson by NAMA run out. Your crystal Trenton Saigon, lamb, pots, Terpstra, yoga, Vander Pol. Langeveldt Pederson Craig Anderson Maharidge by note, Stephen. Who missions chops Guinness there? Neil politics, the caves, probably number nineteen or twenty Christophe night. Wasn't it? Bad. He'll just because Mark was he there set. Vermont was not I was only person he wasn't going to be fit the okay to ride a crash three lucht quite badly hurt. But he's he's he's okay. For Flanders and another one. He's conspiracy theories islanders vowel grin simply because we've not seen a lot of him. And he seems to be struggling for form. Yeah. Security went to dimension data. Am off the back of a grace. He's starting wasn't hogging. Also has been very quiet as nice interesting thing. I mentioned last week the head with one Fletcher for the special. It's just just come out. And then he was talking about, you know, his time at team sky. And the Boston hiking was was supposed to be developed into Clancy specials. He said he couldn't write on the couples. I mean, he said he was terrible in the couple's. So he's a big strong writer m a the best writer he ever saw. The couples Gary Thomas shouldn't from the minute erode with them. He just floated across them whereas Boston Haagen, and the he one game welcomed in many years ago now and a lot of people expect him just because he's in the mold of classics writer, but Fletcher said that he had real difficulties writing on the cobbles. No skyrocket is in their ritual. I ru that will you roll that? Well, I think the the difficulty we touch on in in the special wish I keep mentioning because he really should sign up and listen to buy the the promise of is lack of a fast finisher. Isn't there having the numbers? I mean, they have got you know, they're a shocker get e three where a window was supposed to go at one point in the race. Moscone Moscone is a curious from because we expected better from him. I think in these races. I was asking road ailing worth about me said he's really struggling after a crash they had of in the Middle East the UA to visit. What is called? I can't even remember not seem so long ago hit about crash there and didn't recover from that went to start a Ban Ki really struggled there on on should have missed not race went to threaten. I'm still and he apparently struggles after crashes to recover, and he's just not is miles away from where it should be. Am I was you know, hanging around the team sky bus after game ever prayed dime beat atmosphere seemed to me and loot grow was pleased. But again, there was no result to speak of in. And there was no top tan or anything that they could really onto. So seeing them producing winner through funders. It looks very much along and creek of his not uterit- doesn't like he's not been ready any of these races. But yeah, he's somebody who you think has got good through funders intimate some point. So it's gonna come down to the big guns. Isn't it surely to curling quick steps? They can pluck somebody from their embarrassment of riches, Peter Sagan, Greg over might who we've not talked a lot about. But he was up there in the Finnish group in eighth three Binks Bonk classic Harak Bank. Bingo. From on clink punk think Bank. Classic. Oh heavens. He was up there. Again. I get criticized every time I say this. But he's a Kinney's hairless from small groups large groups, he doesn't seem to have. He's not the fast finisher. There is always somebody faster. So he may have sent very far. I mean, he's always got decent pedigree even going about his career evening bunch sprints. But I've been surprised I was surprised they lost steeper in ether. And my big concern. We've I never has been his team. They he was isolated in the in the group gave able gums known incite. And he that's four that's been a theme throughout season. So far, I am slightly worrying and richer than you mentioned Alan piper early been a couple of dark supportive changes that we've not mentioned or probably gone past unnoticed this year. But I just wonder how much the mall not being in the car truck Sega freighter is affecting them and Alan piper. Likewise and not being. What what what was BMC's now? CCC calm. The demo- not having much conditioner. I'll either. Trek did or I. Oh, you're saying because I've lost him have lost them. All they're doing better. Now. No, he's not what you're saying struggling. Did. Well, yeah, they did. Well, kkob was up the road. And then oversee second in sprint store even match Pederson were by within the last twenty thirty kilometers were were guarding lineup. Yeah. About maybe. I mean, I think I'm in Bahrain Morita as well. I mean Maharidge was looking good in American really good seems to make his efforts all the wrong points. It looks really strong as I read in these races. I think he's learned a will learn and it leads to me like he's firing bullets at the wrong times. And just on the local knowledge and the game plan. We totally about decoding quips quick steps gain plan. And there's a whole mythologies was the mythology around turf lawns in general around. How some of these some of the teams and some of the directors have come up with game plans over the years mentioned damore rich his old serve Yoda figure. The the say to he has always consulted. On the eve of the tour. Florence was a guy could Jeff Brockovich L who used to be the lotto team manager and the mall has had a tradition over the years whereby he would go to Jeff breakouts. House every day every eve of the tour Flanders and thrash out the game plan, you would leave Jeff breakouts. House with this of fully formed plan would hope to put into action the following day. And Jeff Brcko, unfortunately died recently. I think he was in his eighties, but he was a real sort of sage of Belgian cycling, so yeah, I wonder I wonder who's gonna fill that void for the mole on them catoon now. Well, you mentioned another writer bateaux bacterial 'em earlier. He wrote very well. The three big Bank classic. She'll be doing and he was fourth in. But an impressive, right? I didn't see a lot of him last year when he moved to be a bad crash, but each showed in glimpses, and when he's kind of previously that he's a talented writer for these. Difficult. Uphill finishes is going to be very very kind to Johnson voters by saying that for euphemistically saying the jungles not quite convinced about abetter Betty, oh when he ten professional remember and bet you'll having a terrible terrible time in his first season badly finishing races. And I suggested John voices, the possibly might he might struggle to was he successful career as depression seconds. I think I'm voices. Agreed with. Ably. Tons of inherited 'em, another one w formal road. Very well, Kathleen, we'll be talking about that in a moment. And but yeah, patio was in the break the to France, I was in the canon deal team car couple years ago. And one of the interesting is not using the big break, and he can't claim by thing. Congress desperate to answer a call of nature, and he didn't he didn't have the skills to do that on the move and this was causing him real discomfort. Eventually did stop. And he got back home the team. We're not too happy with them because he he stopped just before they start claiming. Anyway, it was quite entertaining friends specials. Well, episode could bat he'll be the new Michaela Barkley. He's a similar sort of build is they kind of you know, I know so Tuscan, well, let's hear are bear to caught my eye Monson Rame oversee I attack on the project and then with fourth at the Bank bunk classic that was a very strong, right? We saw from you today, are you pleased, fourth in the pleased. Are you bet disappointed to miss out on the podium? Yeah. Semra leads appointed. Because think the team play really well we wear in three before the Potter. And then we split up, but we were still on the game with me and and Sebastian longevity in the back. I only add to follow Steve and the final I follow him when he attacked alone. And then I had all also to follow him on the sprint. But the last que venite really smart take his is real. And unfortunately, I had to let him pass in in the end the try to sprint. But yeah, they anticipate and they close me on the left the sprint his another story. Yeah. Let's say I I have to have to enter yet in the Belgium mode little bit more aggressive, and especially in the days like this where he's really nice and and fresh to right, everybody were super fresh super Radi nervosa day. So Indian was really hard stage, right heart. Yeah. But you're clearly we saw in London ramo as well. One of the you know, you help animate the race and setup the. The final move your office in great form, you feeling. You're you're in really good form. Yeah. I fortunately, I am in this great form because this let me stay with with the best rider here. And even if I'm a little bit far back. I in the key Cayo pass a lot of guys. But these in the end cost me a lot of energy and. Yeah presenter today. I can't strain really well because I was really tired. So I have to improve this. I know my limit. But with this form sooner or later, maybe a victory can come these races. You like I mean the Flanders races through Flanders is race. You're looking forward to now is well, yeah. I mean, I'm here, and I raise also plan to try to to to perform well and to make another. And resort. Like this. One Beck is not that far from Flanders is only fifty sixty shorter. But in the end, the we are all the same rather the same more. The same bag. So yeah, we will see I still have ten days to to to focus on the Flanders. And we'll see how is going after the crash. I think is pretty good. I heard now in the bus, so yeah, we are. We are happy. We are we stay focused on the on the goal to try to reform as well as we can. Is supported by sciences. Sports. Science sport fueled by science frontier. Ocean deed to science sport for sponsoring cycling podcast. You can still get twenty five percent of all your science sport products. Scientists dot com with the code SIS CPI twenty-five SIS see twenty this week's question for the scientists sport. Experts comes from Larry Grossman from Washington DC Larry is has been quite frequent correspond. She met Larry when he's been London. He looked me up and we went for coffee. So thanks for your question. Larry 'em. He writes because of the podcast, I learned of science and sport, we like to hear and have been Byner products using the discount code for listeners the sent me for free five hundred grams of their regal rapid recovery. Shake formula, either terrible allergic reaction. It was my fault. I never bought the resort based which I'm allergic to the sign. Sport recommend those of us who have allergies to soy or other raw proteins, such as peanuts, amines, etc. Is there anything they offer or can recommend with a simple way based shake with some additions work the same from our Grossman over to you. Ben Samuels, Harry. This one is to nutrients that we need to the same time and the post imposed exile recovery. Those be protein un-carbohydrate with the dodgers section of around using soy having away. Shakes and alternative is a really good approach. That's going to provide the protein feeding you could mix that with around three hundred mil of skimmed milk to provide carbohydrates. That's Maine's minerals the melts also to provide an additional proteins offs. Finally, you could have that alongside a piece of free for some additional carbs and Micronesians. You don't necessarily have to eat fruit. Separately that could be funded into the same postage-sized, shake if you feel in adventures with the plunder if you go down that route you might need to medicinal water or is just to get that consistency. Right. Thanks, Ben unthanked, Lori for the question if you have a question for scientists sport, please Email content at the cycling podcasts dot com, or you can leave us a what Samp voice message. The number is plus four for seven nine seven one three three eight two five plus four four seven nine seven one three three eight two five leave us any questions of your own sports nutrition. Or if you have a question about what the pros us send them in anything else Lionel from funds. Thank you had one thing to add well much-anticipated debut of world champion Ella hundred Alejandro Valverde in tour. Flounders we are anticipating him being on the start line on Sunday. Never. Written to London before dipped his toe in the water with doi- two of London last year. Has been talking all spring about wanting to make his debut at the two of Flanders hill bay three weeks shy thirty nine birthday. What do you reckon any chance is also known says retirement Valverde, but not just yet imminent, but he's gonna is gonna retire. At some point the end all by surprise at the end of twenty twenty or twenty twenty one twenty twenty one. So he's going to carry on. Yeah. So he's gonna carry on till he's forty one. How you down you? I wonder though, if we're seeing I mean, he didn't make dials list of eighteen so he's gonna finish nineteenth. I would I would suggest. But I wonder if we're seeing the first signs of the fading already force because well, he hasn't been quite as consistent, or as as as as, you know, dangerous as he's looked so consistently for so long hang on a minute seven on thin to Catalonia. I mean, just they just slight is evidence of a slight decline in the thing about alright is being consistency. You know, he's always been ten ten because Alenia seven summer second UI or I time. Furton? Yeah. I'm just thinking already looks as good as ever it doesn't. It looks sharp as ever incredible. It'd be really interesting to see how he goes because there were no way to follow. And the kind of the the thing about local knowledge, if you like almost in his case doesn't doesn't apply because he he can just why I mean, you you could here's a good. She can have race on the moon, and he'd probably the favorite. Yeah. I mean, how he? Gravity. I don't know. I mean, maybe there's maybe there's some Rafeh shoes that can help with that. Neighborly lost. Here. We saw you know, a ride without much race cross than a good bike com. La and someone who's also, you know, he's he's going to be up for he's not going to shy away from the sort of the rough and tumble of it. So you know, he might surprise win the rights, but might be in the shake-up thirty case ago talk about ready, just segue neatly into Catalonia. What did you make? What did we learn from Catholic? I mean, you're talking about patterns Lionel what we make the week the H twins. And and I'm I'm really curious, but they're both of approaching their big targets are the meats tour Siamese going for the the Jiro on it looks. It looks almost like Simon Gates's is is doesn't feel the need to tash himself in the same way that item does and these stage races that he's going there with quite specific targets rather than going for the overall it look. Like that rich. It looked like that to send extent pioneers as well. On your timing has lost some time in crosswinds, not cer- conditioned his his overall challenge. But yeah, he he looks as he's training and Adam look societies competing every day in stage races. I wonder how much Adam fails is appoints approve and we always have from them that you know, there is no real rivalry between them but Simon had success lost year and Adam a successful season. But he he's missed out of the total France, partly three bad luck, partly because he made a mistake in the states. It should've won in the Perez. And you know, it may be that the this is his year for fifteen seconds separate him from back toback stage rates world to a stage race wins beaten by the narrowest of margins by Primoz Vogler Adriatic in hunt and really trying to win it on the loss day in Catalonia. It was so ways it's always a punchy out rice. Isn't it Catalonia then the boss country kind of takes on another level and then practically were into into the grand tour? So it's interestingly say that the top riders are as I say the patterns are forming on night, we're saying buy now can turn Lopez the the names of the same at the top of the G C. And and they will which rogue lich yet not bad this week, but already off the Mark with big victories. So the yeah, I mean, you're right. The other talking point from a Kathleen was probably Chris from had a crash, but lutes well off the pace we've seen him off the pace on lenient before. But I just wonder about Kris Freeman I I heard one or two little whispers there's there is concern about his condition, and it's not through. I don't believe under training. Could be through over training, and and some questions already. But whether am you know, he's going to be in the right shape to try and win a fifth third France. And some reports that we can the Ican Bernal may right? The tour de France. But that Shin's he will as pond, right? The Jiro a significant change in last week's has been team sky have new sponsor and long-term backing and that may change the equation at for them, whether burnout even goes to the wrong, if team sky, we know how they operate if they look at their writers, they have an decide of the three potential grunter winners guarantee egg and Bernal Chris room. The France is the most important race for them. If they look at those three in the side of the three Bernal has the best chance of winning Turkey. France. I think he will miss the Jiro and goes deterred the fronts. I think that's that's how they work his net. We've seen it before we've seen when when by the was defending champion, France. They looked to that and said Freeman chance of winning this year. He went by the Winston, very true. What would they do for the gera-, then always a lesser objective and Soling lesser giants have won his it's no longer a racist? The need to as a shop window for potentially sponsor. That's very good point. Yes, imagine any come in the team would be under the white of speculation about whether that continuing basis continuing whether the budget would be secure as we understand it. The punchy is bigger within your son with sky. So all of a sudden the Jiro as size is no longer. This is speculation Nikola town said that we can definitively and Bernal will go to the Jiro. And the he decision will. Then be made whether it goes to tour if over the next few weeks, I think if they're real concerns about firms conditioning, Gary Thomas while hasn't had the best build up to 'em shore an altitude camp tannery because it snowing there, and you know, these things and infirm crashing and and being maybe, you know, not in the shape that he should be this time of the year. You know, we're not that far from where still a distance away from the tour, but we're not far from a point where decisions will be will be made. I guess so what about big Alan Lopez and superman superman? Super mandates innings mansion. This time last year where he was on the way out had some good results, not spectacular this spring's results, and we were talking about and by the time the JIRA came around as a potential winner. He finished third their cost third again the foil in light summer is he writing himself into a position where he might again be the favorite for the year before the stock. He's obviously not address these weakness or is able to address his weight into in Tom, Charlie and nothing if you look at the amount on Jericho's he will struggle on that school. But he I him as being very dangerous because he he's still unpredictable. We still willing to write a very aggressive rice. He was bailed out a little bit in Catalina and funder stage by his teammate Andres sites, but not obviously positive trying to win the grand tour. All having a strong team. And there's no doubt about sterner all incredibly strong happening credibly strong throughout the year. And I I also thought that superman state pretty looked that he stayed pretty calm and cool unto good decisions yesterday. We're not gates and saw me with down the road. And there was a point at which I'm on the final lap of the circuit and Zeitz was tiring. And yet still had a gaffe about twenty five seconds and and superman hats type things into his interns internecine hands. I need that. I, you know, I remember speaking to the people are starting to Jerry lost year. And they still felt that as a lead I wasn't necessarily taking the best decisions. He wasn't able to impose himself. He's had a lot of experience. I've lost twelve months of leading the team, and I'm margin. This there's been a lot of progress on that school. So he he'll be dangerous. Are we going to have to call him the pronunciation police for the word superman wins like we we had a we had a drink with raw patch chief inspector of pronunciation police last week when he pronounced Berman's eight the place in south east London, but mountains. I mean, I didn't ridicule him or say that line or not. Much bigger audience than he had at the time. Anyway. Well, you know, if you I mean. Yeah. Anyway, this pronunciations usually impeccable. It's a minor slip all capable of. Anyway, she leave their chops. And we'll be back next week to talk about the terrifying, you'll becoming from Belgium. Well, still there after it remotely. From C. You mean see we've called off other things. So, but you've mentioned in your news up and the women's world Therese, depend on them. I spoke to Lisa Brenner, and who has been a great teammate for cursing veal that W N T Cecilie triplet vague, and at the end of can welcome. She's like really good as well. And so far this year. And you'll hear those interviews in the next episode of podcast Femina, which will come from the tour of fonder. So that will be available next week and mentioned the France special. We've just released that has come before the Patrick Lefevere nine me. I think just after Flanders not becoming out between flounders and by unless otherwise work continues on the Patrick fab special. Really, listen, that's for friends podcast at the cycling podcast dot com. Sign up if you haven't already thanks if you have an we should mention how blind interviews last. Tweaks with Luke crew some interesting tidbits, and their this week's which will come at the end of the week is with Tim Harris who some of you may be familiar with. But Tim is a former professional writer former British champion root for rally banana festina and he's. He's a very interesting figure in cycling lives in Belgium has leaked after lots of writers over the years, including Adam Blythe, and so it's an interesting child between them because they know each other extremely well. So that's coming up later this week. They had them blind interview. Zero time. Isn't it? Busy time. That's all for this week, though. Thank you very much Lionel. Thank you, Richard. Thank you chops before we go rich f anyone's watching the to Flanders on Sunday or following while out on the move. And they want to follow the Telegraph's live blog by our colleague Joe mccleary. I can recommend it. So it's a good way to keep up with the race, entertaining and informative. Telegraph dot co dot UK for that. And before we go we want to say, thanks to some of our recent friends of the podcast. Those of you have signed up as friends of the podcast frosty names, please Daniel calling mcklusky on Mincy, maxim. Thank you very much to them. And Lionel a big thank you to Dr dean Spencer, and Keith pro and also to Jeremiah needs and Manuel into LAN. You've been listening to you. The cycling podcast subscribe to our newsletter. Add the socking podcast dot com to get all the latest news, special office delivered straight to your inbox. This episode was edited and produced by Tom Walley.
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"The cycling podcast in association with Rafeh. From grand tours to group writes, the Shawn's Eliza to coffee shops Rafeh exists to celebrate the world's most beautiful sports. Uninsured should Moore with Lima Bernie richer, she with Lionel Bernie punching they're well, I know Hello. We're we're joined by Daniel free, television's Donyell free tops. How's it going cost? Podcasting 's buffalo napalm waiting for this. Joining us on the hotline from a secret location in Europe on on the lukewarm line. Isn't it? Why why lukewarm? Just denote crackly. Yeah. All right. I thought frame fees. Stick. Style up. You've been bite race and energized by the lack of Indo cycling in this week's podcast, all computers, cycling, computer cycling. What outdoor cycling on grass and mart and nano? No a big fan of that know why? Oh cyclocross. Yes. No. We we found another cyclocross lost. Message donyell. How could I forget, no, I'm a big fan of cyclocross not an active fan. But I'm not an atheist either. Lauren. Non promised to sing cyclocross fon. Anyway, from your running perspective, if you have analyzed sort of how many mic's per kilometer, they running at speed running your impressed by that fact that carrying a bike and relatively again, it's a bit like trunk cycling in the sense that I fully acknowledge an a big advocate of the benefits that combining road writer. And in fact, I got quite excited. Unlike meets geic sightsee quite excited when I heard that then IX, Steve always going to be dedicating more time to cross this winter because I think not we'll do his writing in the classics the world of good. And I think he'll have a bumper classic season. What was it like to be back up by race the weekend there? You're challenged me are was Draymond pumping. Where you off the walls with alignment rates. I was rich Somerset, I go to the stall. Unfortunately off our light. We'll have knowledge I wanted to get there. Because it was the weather conditions are being while they were patchy last week there were couple of landslides which caused the organizers to change the routes a couple of times the star Tunsil messed around with. And we'll have the strange former in the challenge Majorca where we talked about it lost. We didn't we where they sort of Buffy arrangement. You didn't you never who's writing on which well, you know, which team they're riding for. But you never know which ride this team is going to pick on a given day which adds element of surprise. So I showed up in the morning, not really not really. Aware of who was going to be writing. But you know, some big names there Don Martin was there. Emma book Leonard one one of the Honda of the four legs of the challenge me. Okay. The previous day and indeed Rhode very well again on Saturday. He certainly wanted to form writers meal. Valverde was the world champion. So yeah, it was a pretty pretty decent failed. Many spectators very very low key sort of a fan was being stopped by Torres saying what the hell's going on here, and they were slightly incredulous when I told them some of the best bike ride is in the in the world were present. I'm going to be racing that day, it's incredibly low key. What she looked like. Like a club race really in contrast to Argentina to someone where certainly in the final stage, there were huge crowds, and I really enjoyed watching through the sun one. But we'll hear about all of that. And I think we'll also hear from some people like to show and Marcel Kissel, go off the Mark at that. We can Lionel de of China, please do there's a lot to recap this week Loja racing going on we start with the cyclocross world championships and Bowen, sir in Denmark, the top three in the men's race were as expected the only question with which order they would finish in and the answer to that question was match your vendor poll, the Netherlands got the better of two Belgians while art and tune air who finished in silver and bronze positions it was van depose first world title since two thousand and fifteen breaking van outs. Run of three to be fair, though, Richard you watch the women's rate which I mean the men's race was a it was a contest. Formula to you. Larry. Formats malady. Are you joining and formality? In English this week. Anyway, anyway, Sana Khan one for the third year in a row for Belgium. She beat the Dutch women Lucinda brand and Marianne boss into third, Richard. There was a a real mishap for Lucinda brand in the pits. When she went for bike change her dad was doing the support and basically grabbed the bike too soon causing to fall off some debate about whether or not that cost her a shot at the gold medal. You watch the race. What did you think? I saw Neil Rogers of cycling tips argue that didn't cost her the race. A Neil news. A lot more of cyclocross than I do. Listen to bronze road writer, and I think the Finnish suited road writer and had she arrived there with Santa can't. I think she would have had a very touchy really strong on. She was gutted not doing a superb race know six or seven writers were in contention writers were making mistakes. Evergreen off the bye regain back on. It was at everything the men's rates really didn't. It was a nail by. Ether and very good winner. Fontana see Voss back there. You know, many times seven times world champion cyclocross, and it was a really competitive great race for traders up there. But none of the managing to win it, and Brian Saint very displaying hoping to get listen to brand on the next cycle podcast Femina. So stay tuned for that. You can ask her about that, Michelle. And whether she thought she was still in with a shout if winning but Santa can't three wins in a row success for British riders in the age category. Raissi's Ben tell it won the junior men's race for the second year in a row and Tom Pitcock one. Glad you mentioned this line. God you mention Tom Pidcock success because we had a very angry message from somebody close to Pitcock couple of weeks ago complainant you hadn't mentioned that he won the World Cup series. When you're in your psycho shrine enough a couple of weeks ago, but we you know, we don't do under twenty three minutes. Racers Stu just don't blame the messenger. Passing on what I was, you know, editorial decision that goes into the news roundup. And Tom big editor editors decision is final. Sometimes to minor league Italian roller hockey, but not under twenty. Might be the week into the minor league roller hockey, adding soul into the wind picking up on your on your point about crossover between cyclocross and road. Mattie. Vander polls wrote team current and circus have been invited to ride only news in this spring. So we'll get to see how he goes on the couples in terms of adaptation to road, I would suggest he's some way behind van at the moment isn't a in terms of while certainly he's going much higher level after the road. Or is he got last year? No wildcard pyro bay for current them circus. On the road locks road racing going on Daniel mention the challenge yorker for one day races on quite stay trace. They were won by Heyzer had outta. He won the first race. Remember, he wore the red jersey of welter last summer for a couple of days. Emmanuel bushman one one as Daniel said Tim Wellens won the race today. Just as he has done for the last two years and Marcel Kittle broke his duck ended. He's eleven months drought without a win. First race win in Palmer since tirreno-adriatico last March. There was a memorable debut for Danish, right? At restless Iverson of lotto, she doll. He got into the break on the first day scooped up enough points to take the lead in the king of the mountains. But then crashed heavily broke his collarbone, quite a baptism of fire. Four two young Danish writer also in that crash with Miquel lender of movie star who also fractured collarbone. He was having a fraiche in over the weekend. So his season is off to the perf. Start next Austrailia and the herald sun tour where team sky really dominated the second half of the race. Oh and got his first pro win on stage three when he broke away with teammate, Luke Crowe, then Dylan Bombarda amateur Scott's Nick shoots really shredded the bunch on the stage to author seat. They were two two and three quarter. I mean, it's clear shoots. Took the stage win and bam Bala the leader's jersey, and bam Bala wrapped up the win winning Melbourne as he sky teammate. Christopher Halverson won the final stage from that across to Argentina and the welter Assan Hawan where to Kernan quickstep finally apologized you Hokkaido's conduct last week when Annacone or Mavi star unseated Julian Ella fleet by winning Alto. Colorado. He then held the lead to the finish clinched race over all the head of Allah Felipe and Oscar severe which third severe turn pro for Komai nine hundred eight is now forty two years old almost an older than I am gives me hope this. What could I win this war? Through the sun one that's year sham. Benny of four hundred grow enjoyed lead out you from his teammate pizza guy and a couple of times, and it really paid off on the final stage where he won a head of Colombian Scotsman Alvarado Hodge. Sticking in South America. The Colombian time tro championships and notable result there for Daniel. Martinez. -education I he won the time trial, according to his team boss Jonathan voters. He was hit by a motorbike and training a couple of days before the race. He put thirty five seconds into Miguel anger. Lopez an a minute and a half into Eggen born all so real marker for Martinez back in your weather racing. Kind of carries on this week the grand prix Marseillaise in the south of France was won by Antony Toji of Direct Energy. And there was some worrying news for the Breton. Classic. Formerly the grand prix plu. Whoa. To a race in Brittany both amends. I'm women's races faced being canceled this year when French television threatened to back out, but it seems that those race is going to be back on TV and where we happening. A community around the world. Stories and films with the most compelling characters the world's finest apparel. Explore the world of cycling with Rafa earth. Thanks to our headline sponsor Rafeh for their support of the cycling podcast. We are always very grateful to them. They have just launched our range of limited edition flyway jerseys, which take their inspiration from the cycling hotlines and new frontiers. Celebrate thing slice of raffles favorite Ryan destinations for their unique scenery traditional colors, and of course, before these are beautiful jerseys, and my favorite one is the Norway one. They've all go the kind of flags or or areas colors in a little band on one of the sleeves on the left sleeve and Norway one is particularly striking and a lot of these jerseys are similar in a way to the new education first jerseys. Same kind of tie dye affect but they're very nice. Indeed have a look at them, Rafeh dot CC. Well, as you said Lionel law racing I mentioned cyclocross world women's race. Was a real cracker 'em bobbing washing son one as well Argentina, beautiful beautiful country. There's this quite unknown. But well, a salvage cycling tradition in Argentina. I think an EMMY of said this before in the podcast. I think there may be more valid rooms in Argentina than any other country in the world. Wow. Going way back no old if indoor valid or not ovum in use. But there was a time in the last century early sentiment track racing was very very popular in Argentina. I believe someone will correct me on that. But. One of those facts, well, you might get in a pub quiz on someone confidently. For example, will tell you that the Marquis of grandma is the is the most popular name of of pubs in the United Kingdom like say that with a huge amount confidence. And then it turns out to be something about the red lion. So I suspect I suspect. Is very intriguing. Interesting, richard. We'll probably find out the. Much predictable. But there I mean, we we talk a lot of Columbia via Senate tradition cycling, not charging Tina. But this really interesting sort of pattern developing we used to MCI races the Middle East this time of the year. There seems to be a the center of gravity seems to be shifting west. Lithuanian. There's quite a senile at the start of the year in Argentina on Columbia and watching to someone which is a tiny pocket of what was a huge huge country is is a stunning stunning country. Argentina is are not them scope to develop a three week tour in one of these countries, or maybe I maybe crossing borders, but South America's seems like a place where you could have a an incredible three week tour. I mean done of space on the calendar for another three weeks. Now, I mean, again back to my usual point about the grand tools wouldn't be invented if they didn't exist. I don't think there's any need for a three week two of it certainly scope for you know, ten ten to fourteen day race. And I think the way the well to ask San Hawaiian is going. You know, the field getting better every year teams are bracing it more we've seen what we've got the ration- coming up in Columbia now this coming week, and that will be even more impressive certainly terms in the number of people watching on the roadside because you know, Columbia really is the hotbed. But yeah, why not? I mean, the well, the welter Columbia still going isn't it, but not really in a slot on the calendar that would attract the top teams, but why not have a big stage race, and that really attracts everyone who's everyone in in the early part of the maybe not late January, but maybe late February or something like that is for the racing. And some Bennett. I mean, he he was he lost. I on stage. I think it was stage. One Gaviria one what video on a couple of stages. So he's got his time. At you. A of the good start 'em Bennett. Like Bora Han score were trying really hard to give him a stage win at Donal. You spoke to Sam Bennett back in December. Bora Hans grow training camp. He was prayed disconsolate they are by what happened at the team has. Missing on a place the Jiro having won three stages last year. Well, let's hear a little bit. Why told you when you spoke to him in December? I'm got. I perform performed really well there. Made my name as one of the biggest wrenches into world. And I get in the last twelve sprints neurone Jiro never say the top tree to consistency was Darren notary some Noah to win there. I feel like what Iran? Yeah. German. I can't help. And not from a big nation. So yeah, not nice. Well, it was Sam Bennett m and I mean, he he's he's a very honest guy m on couldn't really help himself from telling you exactly how he felt Daniel Obote missing on the jeeter this year unfeeling that he'd slipped down a little bit in the pecking order Bora, Hans grow it looked like the team. We're trying hard to set them out pizza Saigon in particular, and which suggests that. Relations, at least they're good the team and Bennett Bennett will get chances this this year, and he told you as well, but he's wanting to serve reinvent himself slightly as a as a writer for more more challenging races. Not just a sprinter, but somebody can get over claims as well. Yeah. I mean, you hope that they aren't just throw him some consolotary crumbs early in the season just to keep him on side. Saigon will take place places the leader or pasta common will will take on sprinters. Sprinting GT's whenever there's a big prize up for grabs. It was interesting even reading some Bennett comments after the what that's on one talking about the pressure of being led out by Sega. He wasn't why didn't sound as delighted is were might expect to be led out by Saigon. But you know, he's gonna have to take whatever opportunities come his way. And the the big unknown still think he's Milan-San ramo. I was giving the impression when I went to the boron protein camp in December. He would possibly right Milan-San Raymond, and he would possibly be an option for them at that race. But of course, I never won it seconds twenty nine now. And it's a it's a. A big hole in his power murders. And you probably be quite pessimistic about somebody's chances of getting. Well, I mean, the, you know, the opposite of the kiss of death, isn't it being written off by Daniel? Wash. I for some Ben. Sorry. We become very blase about Saigon. Don't we? I'm just his consistency. But there is start the season again through them under. He's almost just exactly the same. It's you know, it's so commonplace that we don't even come on anymore. But his his level of performance is unbelievably high all the time while he's worse. Leffler performance it higher than some writers bash level performance once into interesting. Certainly Elise easy for 'em. Even say the Saigon it was like massive dribbling around ten players. And then squaring the ball across the goal for someone to tap in impresses me Moriches. Well, because of his physique, I mean, he's the kind of guy who you look at him. He's relatively heavy. And I always imagine that right is like him would possibly have more issues with their white in the close season van others. That's not possibly wrong in the sense that for saga power to white. Ratio is less of an issue because he's winning on on flat courses, and but he did have some issues with way early in his career member speaking to palace longer who's coach liquid gas about how he in the winter would tell Saigon's out for a walk in the morning before even had breakfast. I don't know whether to sort of get his metabolism up running. I don't know what whether that whether that made too much of a difference, but not consistencies remarkable, particularly as well when saga need someone who will be invited to dinners make public appearances throughout the winter. And I think. Guys. It's particularly difficult. But we've never really there's never really been a period in science career when he has to spend a week. I'm sorry among those or more losing weight and just to to get to the to something like, his usual level. I mean, I suppose the closest it came to that was the Welte last year where. And we hadn't really raise much the Toyota FRANZ on struggled at the start of the Welte. Otherwise, you say. You say he's his consistency has been remarkable. We're talking about pub quizzes earlier, another pub quiz question would be would really puzzle. People. What what did line will burn in pizza and having common both invited to love dinners? Never invited to any anyway 'em another writer who caught everybody's eye to sign. One was Remco. Evan employees. Evening Remco evening pool. Is funny. Donal you mentioning that Sagawa's is almost twenty nine artists Twenty-nine almost twenty nine he twenty nine yet. He's just turned twenty nine is seems like yesterday that he was a nineteen year old emerging talent and their careers kind of entering its final straight. Perhaps. There's Evan the pool. Nineteen just turned nineteen and we weren't expecting a lot from him. He delivered quite law, and he showed I think in that race not that the the highest level perhaps. But and he is going to we're going to see him this year. Thank aren't we. I mean, the talent is there is there to see special time trial. Well, we a couple of weeks ago rich about some precedents of right? It's hunting pro very early in Philip sources case going straight from junior category to the protests and how he'd been given a race of soft racing program in his first year. Indeed is first couple of years. I don't think that's going to be the case with Nepal is it. Looks although he probably won't be nominee race as a think. And the coin quick set around fifty it looks as he he's going to be competitive in while amongst will tour professionals whether that will two races on remains to be seen. Important just to remind the context of Asia early races. I mean, the big names are at the four Julian elephant Neier canton with their overall as well. But then there then that peaks are they they're going to be fair way off their peaks, and the the real proof of the pudding will be how event get Sean in something like the two of Catalonia at the end of March because that's you know, that's a level up from. I think is next races are out Garvan. You a tour and Catalonia is a proper race weather. The state races are really starting to build themselves up some for the Dan classic some for the state races Tecom. So I think with somebody who's just nineteen is important just to dampen down expectations of it. Because we don't want to be here in four five years time doing a podcast where did it all go wrong for him to shoot that? Shoot team car. The back of the tax lease peak radio the tour de France to remind us to tell you that this episode is sponsored by the economist the economists smart guide to the forty impacting your world. And if you would like to get a free print copy of the economist delivered to your door. If you're in the UK that is then text the word cycling, two seven eight zero seven zero the economist is about far more than just economics and finance covers a range of subjects from world, politics and business to science technology, the arts the environment, and even sport, it's been a trusted source of intelligence for over one hundred seventy years, and it's for the kind of person who never stops asking questions wants to know why the world is the way it is Richard. You've been reading the economist week, what has sparked some questions for you. I for Lionel 'em impressed that you didn't spell the word cycling for the listeners to the cycling podcast this week. That was good and they are. That caught my eye was. It was a sports on 'em concussion. Looking to sports in particular, American football and rugby, but it's an issue. The is very prominent in cycling is under some particular difficulties in the sport of cycling with head injuries and diagnosing those head injuries because writers can't really step off the field of play to be diagnosed they want to get back on their bikes as quickly as possible. And and it's a very very pertinent issue. And I know that lot teams have concussion protocol since when I'm sure that we'll we'll return to this this year, but the articles really interesting, but some of the the trends and by the difficulty in diagnosing concussion compared to most injuries. Also, the fact that second impacts are extremely dangerous if if concussion isn't diagnose properly in the first place, another point that's private into sport is the brain human brain doesn't finish developing until your mid twenties. And so obviously young sports people are particularly vulnerable to the long term effects of. Of head injuries and an American football rugby. There has been a drop in participation six percent in the US of kids high school kids playing American football in the last decade. And in England thirty percent fewer children age eleven fifteen playing rugby in England. An economist wonders whether fewer enthusiastic young players could eventually lead to fewer lifelong fans, it's a big is big article in the communists on concussion in sport. And lots of interesting details in there. Very interesting. Yeah. Well to read the economist copy delivered to your door. Text the word cycling, nor is the noble way. Seven eight zero seven zero. Very I'm Sean typic- poll of velodromes, Richard. I can say the Australia, and Japan, certainly have more value, of course, Argentina. Okay. Grace Onlive correction corner. I'm obey authority on the on fruit production in various countries across the world developed. Well, well, well, very simply rich often getting that wrong. Very all amaze, everyone by tendon them, the Italy's the world's number one producer of Kiwi fruits, and then some will say well, hang on. What about nectarines? And I'll think another answer to that as well. And all fall in love with. Well, it's you know, everyone knows that Papua New Guinea, and I usually get are usually get it wrong. The follow-up is usually wrong, and everyone looks very deflated when it proves I'm not the authorities. I thought I walk on. They thought it was anyway, well listeners if there's any correlation fruit production invalid rooms, less know, what about lemon, which Daniel. I don't know. I'm a bit rusty on this line. Must know the answer to this. Entre on a postcard, not Donya. We mentioned the start. You've been an actual bike race. The challenge me orca. Well, I was I mean as I mentioned earlier, I watched TV, and it is very lucky for such a slightly mad island surprising to not see some crowds. And in even the body line of the writers. There's a sense that it is almost like a training race rather than actual race. Yeah. It's actually quite difficult rice, the coast is a pretty tough setting you the first three days where we're very tough. I'm were made even more difficult by the weather. It was unseasonably windy. And despite that we saw the kind of cream rice the top. I'm Tim Wellens as you said is one the race today are was lying on Saturdays. News roundup. I am. I think this was the third time. Third in a row. Someone who does really well at this time of year. But he's obviously claw socks. I'm interesting when I was at the Red Lobster lotto shootout training camp a couple of weeks ago. Speaking to some guys about Wellens, and he's someone who. He's very realistic about his sort of place in the in the solar system of of. World stars in the sport. And he he knows that he's probably not going to win the biggest races in the sort of the the kind of main hotspots of the classics season. And even the Toda front have you focused really on on kind of picking the low hanging fruit of the early in the early season towards the end of the season that you look at his career. He's had huge success. And so in February and March and from August, onwards eastern consistent basis, and I don't think the he he's gonna alter his approach anytime soon. So he's already in very good form and attacked from a long way when you actually attack behind book Mon on that data whether finishes in day is the hardest of the challenge me yorker book at one the previous day, and he's obviously going very well. The big take home with him. I think among were book. Who's going to do the torture FRANZ this year as the leader the G C later for Bora is he's really on a very much trajectory in his career last year. He was a lot bolder than he'd been in the party's climate who I mean, it's not terribly explosive has been someone who is follow generally in major races and had some good results the best young rider in the definite couple of years ago was finished top ten in the Nate last year. But the difference was the book man will start to rod quite aggressively and on Saturday in the challenge Majorca he attacked from a very long way out almost pulled off his second straight win. So it's gonna be interesting to see what he does next few months again. He's not a guy who's blessed with great attacking speed or great explosiveness. He's not a guy who had I think will be threat for the podium at the tour de France, but someone who's grinding confidence in getting better every. A year. I was quite surprised that Valverde didn't win any of the on any of the days. He competed in Majorca road. Well road is Verde always does aggressively. Maybe timing's wrong slightly. He. Yeah. He didn't take home any victors, which I thought was a bit of a surprise just on Tim Wellens. You make the point down your that goes well at the beginning of the year, and at the end, of course, two years ago twenty seventeen pulled out with the tour de France with combination of heat and pollen allergy suffered pretty badly in hot weather refused. A T U E to take medication to try and alleviate those symptoms. But last year he was very impressive in the spring. He as we said one that same stage of the challenge me. Okay. Them one the Ruta del Sol. He was fifth Pyrenees and then one prevents appeal six gold seven flesh alone. And then sixteenth liaise bashed on the age. Which was he wasn't really in the mix at all in the final twenty five thirty kilometers, but a good performance. So, you know, I think he's got the capability to to go a little bit better than that this spring may be maybe I'm gold. Maybe you know, liaise bashed on the Asian the the new Finnish mart term while he's going to certainly shake up the race. Make it very different to what we've become used to. But. Yeah, Tim Wellens when the season gets going on the hot weather comes wanna say, they'll ask you on Sicily. He didn't he? Yes. He did. Yeah. He's a writer. He very much knows. He's plays knows. Who who he is? I mean. He someone you can look at Palmer as well. Why isn't he isn't he moving to the technological next step of trying to become a GCE ride or really focusing everything on the best on saying in the press and really not doing a whole lot before that behaving like a real sort of benefited big hitter. But as I said, I think he he's realistic and pragmatic and knows his best chance of success. He's doing what he does which is, you know, picking up picking winds, and and and being very prominent at times of the year when the real big base have not yet come out to play a who did you speak to me or cut Daniel. Sounds like an interrogation. Have the record. It was no way didn't come out in your York SaaS rich mainly because I kept being detained by people who wanted to speak off the record. I was actually I actually party to what might have been some cheating New Yorker. But of course, the top prevails. Account reveal. It was actually we've actually reported this to the UCLA and they're investigating as we speak. Incident. I I'd like to clarify. And the answer to this better than than than I am eastern obligation to complete the the whole the full distance of the Neutralizer in races. Well, that's a really good question. I mean, it's not called the neutralize on for nothing. The race has not actually started has it during the in the neutralize zone. So I think it would be I think that would matter in a bigger in a really big race. I suspect the challenge may orca pops not so much. Why why are you are you how right? It didn't completely. I witnessed I was speaking to a rider rich on fat today an unnamed writer, and I noticed I became aware about eight hundred meters away, the the rest of the peleton Laurie lined up and that the start time was drawing perilously near. I told the unnamed ride you should probably get a move on. He was he was doing that. When the heavens opened. And we found ourselves under monsoon at that point. He said, well, I'm just gonna take shelter. We went. We we we we moved our conversation to under a nearby shop on and he announced he wasn't gonna it wasn't going to bother against the star. That point he was just going to wait for the personal go pass and join the peleton. In in an inconspicuous as inconspicuous Amana as possible. Nice. What he proceeded to do? So. He skipped about eight hundred meters of initialising. Wow. This this writer feature in the results of the of the day. Terribly prominently. I would say I'm guessing it wasn't a cover this writer. You've seen him a mile off in their in their garish new kit. So we can realize coffers. I think we should. Handing. It means. Also means it's difficult cancer. My original question isn't about who did you speak to challenge me. Pending the investigation who else did you speak to the me orca apart from this writer this unnamed writer? As I said richer. A number of unnamed riders. Fat me information on subjects which can't be discussed. This is wonderful podcast podcast billion. It really imaginative. Lionel come back from the dick Kooning quickstep calm saying. Well, I spoke to lots of unnamed writers things that I can't discuss why did get one very big interview that we now can't you know? Is it wants to settle the and but Daniel m you when you were the opposite camp December you spoke to. Different Kestler fair. Show writer. In center Khudzha. In in New York before Christmas, they have their training as they always do club Robinson on the east side of the island just for Christmas. And of course, contusion coming from very bonds, very unsatisfactory two thousand eighteen season. They won I think four races lost year far, which is far. Account. Tony Martinez national championship time-trial as well. Well, it was a terrible return wasn't a kid who of course, had a bit of an honest horribilis Martin himself didn't pull up any trees, indeed has left the team and yet facing some difficult questions going into two thousand nineteen needed a bit of a rethink needed to shuffle. Some things get some new writers address some areas of the the roster the where they were pretty weak in two thousand eighteen knots. What they've certainly tried to do. So just for Christmas, I discussed this with that team manager Jose I surveyed, and I think we'll hear from him now rich. Everybody knows the value of this teenager is not what we show on the year. Everybody finished the season for straight. This point at the end. We the Minaj of the teen. We. We are analyzed the the year. When the reason of the possible reasons for. Heb so-so so bad Caesar and we've. We decided to do to make a few changes on the team. And hope now in nineteen we are back at at the success. If you if you analyze the writers, we bring in the teen it's they have different different characteristics different skills. And and what we wanted to have a thin more competitive in a different rates, for example, we signed but Alina because it's it's a faster rider. He can win when the finals are a short appeals and steep, and you also can do classics like, for example, or I'm circled racists is a good race for in. It's not because we don't have anything writers who can do it as a good writer for this race. But if we instead of if you can have more riders as option more strong gonna be the team the case of e- ends. It's it's an sprinter. And we want to have. Another splitter in the teen. We aren't wherever we have Marcel. But you know, it so many race along the year, and we do. All the time to to program, sometimes three. So we want to have always a sprinter in the race and Jens with restored. In is is is is a strong sprint one race. And it's also a strong writer in the classics and finished retype stop any in in the in the cobblestones classic. So for the group of the classic. I think it's also. As a group stronger for the mountains. We don't lose climates, but we have and we have now about a writer with a lot of experience when he ever is possibilities. You can finish up ten in some race and have a lot of experience. And we know when he'll need in in in in the big race. When when is in the climbs one more Ryder gonna be close close to muscle Kitto is obviously one of your star riders Ebro are exorbitant to work also with Marcel and the Schuylkill Eric bring about a big change in Marcel orders, the main chains have to come from ourselves himself for me Marshall, it's still be the the best printer in the world when Marcel is at the stop shape, it's difficult somebody beating Eric Cam in the Eric's aval, the teen because it's we create in the in our store. A new department the performance department, and and and Eric is the performance manager is responsible for everything it's about the performance material. So it is his responsibility. But of course, a lot of experience he was on only spray is also one of the best printers in the world. And for sure Ican, which is experience, which is no ledge. He can it can it can pass this to the writers. The writers have a lot to they can learn a lot from him. And like I said if we have the best to working with us. I think for the riders is much better. Because at the end it they need to also support from the teen. But they also need to. To ever good message. And this is why we try to bring in the people experience with people with would professional because at the end training important, but it's many things around that important, and for example, talking about the sprints, you know, how? What are much? Time it needs to be invest to create a goodly doubt train. Create a plan for for the spring analyze the. The kilometers before the sprint. So we need to have somebody who can study this. Of course, we have a lot of five sports actors we experience. But if we can ever a person like Eric was one of the best sprinters in the world. A lot of experience and knowledge to to pass to to the. Is Moscow has must have been complicated to work with. No, no, it's not complicated. You hearing the teen wherever we are seventy percents around seventy percentage one every Scott actor is personality at n we need to respect. But like we speak before we have one philosophy and wanted entity. So everybody who come need to. Go in the spirit and understand our team. But it Marcel no never have problems. Of course, he has a difficult here come here. After after win five stage in the tool big expectations from front prone everybody, and he also Fernan self, and you know, when you come in the teen everything is new for you. You you want to show that give give back the confidence to the team. Sometimes you but discretion on you some of the year he was sick. And then, you know, we lose training and then his star turn again to come back in it against the springtime. It was not easy and any no for for for the riders. How important are the results? But but for a sprinter, it's. The only count the victory and for many reasons, the, you know, the year Paseo, for example, the first stage in the by when was sprint on the side. I think it was good Wiegand here. Problem the shade went out. And then one day today's later your was block. So you know, it's one chance you lose another chance you lose. And then you you start seeing star lose the confident then come this this healthy problems. And you see the time running and and and and raise that you expected victories. You don't have it was. Yeah. Not the perfect here. But no, we cannot say much salad. It's it's a person who create problems inside the team. I think everyone in liking and respecting the cycling podcast is supported by sciences. Sports. Scientists sports fueled by science. Thank you to scientists sport for their support of the cycling, podcast and force supplying our listeners with so many sports intuition products. You can get your twenty five percent off with the could S I s c p twenty five at science and sport dot com. That's S I S E P twenty five at the check out this week's question for enzyme, use science and sport comes from Phil from Swansea and fill is the first questioner to fall in his question. Give you the number after we've heard his question and bans response. Hi my question, though. The surgeon spoke guises recently I've had to. Diet and gluten free and my something that's caused a bit of a problem. I generally liked to have. Cover pre product simmer in my pocket when I'm going on a long ride, and I've had to those out. So I'd like some ideas of suggestions turnips are going to keep me going on a long ride. It's a really interesting question is it doesn't have to be restrictive as it. I pass fuelling performance definitely possible on a gluten free diet the same principles apply in that you Raymond fuel with sixty nine grams of carbohydrate per hour on the pike when you're out in tough longer rides. The scientists jarring gluten free as the hydra tablets uncover electrolyte powder that gives you a gel hydration, and sports and culture. The always it for yourself to them replace that, someway or provide a food based option to eat while you're on the bike. I suggest looking into making own rice cakes something pretty widespread, and professional and damage cycling most rights, and it's not reform is gluten free. You could use Honey Stadio or John's Flavia rice gates with. That's if you've got a real sweet tooth alternatively. You could make those Savary rice cakes free Corentin tends to be the free that really the option Houston. Find all your ingredients together, and send them into the rice cake. So that was Ben Samuels answering Phil from Swansea's question if you would like to send a question for sciences sport answer, you can Email us contact at the cycling podcast dot com, or as fielded you can leave voice memo voice memo if you dial number plus four four seven nine seven one three three eight two five plus four four seven nine seven one three three eight two five won't take phone calls. That's not Lionel's number of giving Daniels. But it will take voice voice memos through. So leave your question that way, if you'd prefer interesting when you look at their roster that got Masha Kittle usually should carry guarantee them X number wins per season surely can't have a year last year again and illness Accoring, we would think would guarantee them a decent position in one of the grandmas one other than that. Streaming speed lack weeklong stage race, he's never ride. The grand tours like them want to do them. Usually pulled out a bit of a result of the tour Roman day or two swish. And everyone else is kind of. Prolific author and interesting looking at some of the writers I brought in and Rico batted lean who won a stage of the Jiro. Who else did I bring in tabu share as well? I mean, they're kind of middle of the road sore signings. It's a team is going to be very much dependent on whether or not Marshall Kittle can win some big world tour races. I think you have. I think you're absolutely right line on. There is a misapprehension Khudzha Alperstein is very rich team. And they say it's really a hangover old relic. All this this idea that people have of a previous incarnation of the of the team originally, they were very well funded had a huge budget similar team skies, but they didn't necessarily always get same results that team sky. Have got out of out of that budget. But in the last couple of years they've really had to downsize operations, and I think they're operating now at around about fifteen million euro a year level or even even less than that not gone awful lot to work with. And I think kids will probably probably sucks up a fair amount of the budget Kitto is a guy who as we've talked about in the past works on feeds of momentum. And he needs he needs early in the season to carry him through. And he needs to be writing with confidence in have a lot of confidence in his lead out. I think our example, the variable will be great for Kitto. He was very effective or candidate certainly thought he was very effective as an adviser HTC Columbia a few years ago, and obviously being German and being someone who faced a lot of the the pressures that Cato is now facing is ideally placed to help him out. Elsewhere in the roster. I think in the classics relatively strong. I think Neil's Paula is someone who is getting better every seventh in pyro bay last year seventeen in Florida as a consistent performance. He's someone mid twenty should be getting better every year. But otherwise team I think might might struggle as their own. A huge a huge number of Bank. Is there seem spill someone who by her crooked as managed to pull out? Good results in week long stage races in as long stage races. He's not generally being the best time Charles stole the best climber. He's just a very canny operator who who really stakes everything on three or four races every year tour of the Basque country to Roman dater Switzerland that kind of race, and it has often worth how for him but didn't last year it's contract year for him this year. So he's under a bit of pressure. He might well contrive and manage to pull out something again as racist. But it's far from guarantee, and you know. You know, I think looking beyond this year, and they're probably questions about about contagious future. They've got a new business model of her new businessman of last couple of years. They won't. Certainly to a degree self sustaining. And now they have while Qatar is a sports where Brandon schools manufacturing. They're hoping to raise a decent amount of capital from sales of sports were not sure how well that is going. I think I surveyed or is a very hands on managers. Well, he's got a lot on his plate. He he's someone who gets involved in the real nitty gritty of of how the team parades. But you compare the human resources Katina's of a team sky in and see I think probably big differences. Where where people are having to multitask, and do a lot of different things. And and. Pulling off the kind of thing that sky is able to do or with Mer jumbo sorry. Jim Bismullah during now in the Netherlands is not as easy as just having the wheel to do it. You'll need the money. I mean, you take the example of that training camp contusions training campaign. Llorca there were couple of grumbles one or two the writer. Dick mentioned it wasn't ideal for the climates 'cause they were on the east side of the whether on climbs, and in Boswell sense me, that's the kind of thing that sky, maybe you would have someone to just to drive the climates to the other side of the island, and that would have a big effect on the training camp at sky, that's affordable. Doable that's favorable as not necessarily at a lesser funded team. So they've got a bit of a better than up hill battle. I think but again as is the case Kitto if some momentum early in the season, and they have to have some talented riders could could I'm surprises. Yeah. I mean, there's no ambiguity now. Examing with Tony Martin leaving. There's no one to deflect the responsibility. From kettle. I'm sure he's acutely aware he called perform like he did last year. And when you look at that roster. I mean, they have like enough spayed enough horsepower to put together a decent lead out train for him and keep racist under control and maybe join him with two current quickstep and the others who will be trying to bring racist back together for sprint finishes. Yeah. It's going to be an important spring for Kittle. The big thing is for a writer of his stature as the size of we really that counts needs to be back on winning the tour de France. And then a the reboot last year became more international team on one of the writers who joined last year was in Boswell. And I think you spoke to him as well, then Daniel did reg I spoke to him about loudly exactly is the identity of continue now in terms of nationality. And also about the steam that Vado mentioned we we heard him talk about a minute ago. The difference in the way Qataris you're trying to pick teams races this year. They're trying to base a lot more on on former and current fitness rather than to the premeditated racing programs that came up with over the winter. So this is in both well talking about those subjects, you know. The team has made some changes this year that was pretty clear from the start, and I guess already at the end of last year that things were changing and we brought in some new coaching staff and brought in Rick solve Eric's always getting confused. But yeah, Eric's was in here for a performance coach and just coming off a pretty disappointing year all around. I mean, I was necessarily super disappointed, but I think you know, the team and the management and the sponsors definitely expected more. The mood within team campus already. You know, people are working hard from from the get-go, which has been Claire Claire Simon last year. We had a great team campus super fun. Join themselves. I was about to say I remember reading the time. I think it was the same time location yorker new guys in the team last year. And you get a good vibe positive messages coming out within Cambodia rated same as. Something of special and the new and exciting was forming. And then like you say it was pretty disappointing in some respects. Yeah. I think that's completely correct. I think we did have a really I came to this team from being sky for five years. I was like, wow, this is really cool cool environment like super happy, and it really did feel like a family. And it was professional, but also really relaxed and. But yeah, the results in common to throughout the year, the ten Jim building that we needed to kind of get our asking gear to put it a straightway and this year, it's been a lot less kind of horsing around. It's like if we have a six hour training, right? It's six hour training. Right. It's not you know, five and a half or four and a half. But everyone's motivated as well. You know, I think from the guy who had a disappointing year to also new writers and the team who speaking with Enrico going, correct? He didn't have he had a great year last year. We wanna stage Jiro and had another good results. So it's not, you know, I think for the writers like that to come in. And see kind of the teams motivated continues to push those guys forward as well. You mentioned changes to coaching coaching staff. I know it's very early in IMO even Soviet impact on on the programs. You've been set yet. But one of the main differences, you can see already and from the old regime to the new regime, I guess kind of an overall focused approach for the whole team and just making sure that everyone is kind of push him in speaking with the same group is Danny Navarro who's been pro for fifteen years now turned pro in two thousand six and just seeing how this changed and evolved over those years he said they didn't start his teammates and team leaders start training till January two thousand six and here. Early december. The sport is a whole exchange UCLA show up to an early season rice like Mark challenge. And it was important, but when you can kind of just get through, and you can racing leg warmers, and you could ride back to the hotel. And there wasn't a lot of pressure. But I think especially coming off the year we had I think there's a little bit of pressure from the beginning of the year. And you know, one thing we've implemented year is a team like sending the best riders to the racist rather than having a fixed program where you know, you program said in December, and that's your program throughout the year that you know, if you're not writing, well, then there's no point in sending you to racist. Which is something that is clear makes a pretty clear choice that you're training is going to be analyzed then know watched so they're sending the best riders to the races. But that's pretty unusual. Isn't it in context of the world have not really heard of of teams during that before teams there? I think a lot of riders sky received a race program Mosman it, and that was one of the things I actually really enjoy. Last year at this team was having a pretty fixed race program. Being. Usually relatively motivated writer that I was focused to show up at the racist. Prepared. Not just like riding through knowing my race program. So it creates a competitive edge within a team that writers aren't necessarily competing with each other for spots. But that writers are pushing each other to make sure that you're ready for racist. You're not just turning up because you we're told in December that you're doing race in July. So you can show up. Presumably those judgments about who going. Well, who is no some of the time. It's being based on training data. Yeah. I think a lot of it's based on training data. And you know, we have seen him walking Dirk moles here. It has a lot of experience and same with. Eric Zobel and also with Kevin as a new trainer, I think they're going to be doing a lot more kind of scientific analysis of writers, performance and training. And entertained with a very multi national identity in the history recent history of cycling, sometimes has worked incredibly well. It's incredibly well, it was a team with no sort of obvious single national identity. Quickstep it seems to work pretty well. They've got 'em rights from different. Nationalities. How much did that contribute to the difficulties? The team had lost year or how much can contribute to the strength team might have in the future. Yeah. I think you're completely right? I think he did see or you've seen teams in the past right mean like, you said quickstep that have come together being a very international team and performed and you only world tour team, I have experienced with the sky, and I felt that they although been an international team. They definitely have a very British corps. And I think that core for myself being a young writer like those were the cool guys like good writers Ross like the cool guys like Thomas and fromm and Luke and. Fifty P Ken you wanted person. I guess I can speak from experience I wanted to fit in with those guys. I wanted to be part of that group because those guys go into the big races. And. I wanted to show those guys that I was a good writer and reliable. We don't necessarily have that same kind of group that at this team because it's so international. We don't have one national identity. That's kind of say favored, but kind of the core group of guys who've been racing together for a long time who are tied him with the coaches and the staff it's very international the Germanic gruesome taking over slightly. They are definitely the most dominant kind of influence in the team. But at the same time, it's not really, I guess, I'm not part of the sprint training. So I don't really see it as much, but it is in all senses to really international team and your nationality doesn't really dictate your race program. Kind of who you're friends with on the team. So it's nice in that sense. It everyone gets along. And there's not really like a clique within the team. But at the same time like I do sometimes the benefit of a team having national identity. So it's a fine balance of keeping international but making that work and bringing everyone together for a common goal that's getting people to to raise for each other. Even though they might not have a native town. So I was friend of the podcast in Boswell m. Well, the interesting to look at Kathy momentum as he said some portent for Marshall kettle. It's also important for teams. There are few teams. Just looking at the early results. Their teams had shockers last year, you a Emirates education. I. Alpe Zain Cajal Persson who are all off the Mark and not so important to get some early wins. And no so much for the winds, but more further feeling engenders within the team. And it can be rich. It come be. But it can also some dissipate in dissolve relatively quickly last year loss. Exactly, that's exactly what it was about to say people raving about all the changes that have been made then he writers approaches, and it was only a month two lights when people were talking about crisis. Nevertheless, it's easier to keep it going once started then take to get it started, especially the season begins to drag on a win a waste of whiting frost win probably. And the the the, you know, the the our changes in those teams, especially Emirates, I think that there are some changes in team in the management on the management side that could well have an impact on the road. But give area is obviously a guy who should win races for them. Now, just before we go this week since we are talking about Katiba opposite one of their new signings for this year is Harry tan field, the young British writer who was part of the who bike set-up. And last year we featured who bought bike in last week's episode, of course, online you charted over the phone to hurry tan field. Didn't you before he made his debut for contusion opposite idea? He was in New Yorker. I'm just getting ready to make his debut in two of the challenge. Llorca rices didn't finish with them. But he was looking forward to the Volta ally community Valenciana or tour. As we used to call in the old days. And while he Connie packed up. What Daniel saying about the Y A to ship pick that teams short notice because he don't eat just found out that he was going to be riding Valenciana rice. And he was keen to see how he measured up some water riders in the tone trawl step up paying like is it been noticeable? I mean, it's a training different harder. What's? All the differences. Different loves train hard. Different to happen in the past really when you traded at a law or your trade into wrenches low level as well. So the non training throughout the by trying for six hours trend's arrest. You know, all three hours just real hard rather than the posted move back to back. There's rather than just one day races and stuff just like resilience Petillo. I think it's just just being color at the time. And. And what about the first race? I mean. Than any butterflies few nerves. I mean, you're not starting with the first of the challenge yorker trophies coming in what to the second or third one. What's the what's the planet? I mean, would you would you prefer to get? Right. Stuck in? It's all one day races. So just it's pretty much just every guy gets rid get rod our everyone on the team's going to do a couple of days and everyone's being set two days for that program's just wanted to really fits. And he was doing all the twos gaps these laws of the get out. So you're under no illusions. It could be quite quite tougher style. Well to rider of you, go on the agenda for the rest of the spring. Do you know yet? Dispatched just point. Then after that. Well, we've been talking about the program seen. I thought I was reading in fifteen sixteen. Wrench and maybe even a few days time. So which was news to me this morning. So. Chat with the. And the guys tonight actually just caught and just. The caucus nose run. 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52: Our Giro stage 7: Lion King part 1
"I remember Ed the Pink Jersey the first time you've held elitist at one of the three grand tools. He's been looking very good over the first few days of the year and really confirmed that today with with a fantastic attack It's been a pretty mind blowing stage and a pretty mind blowing day for me. I'm Laura Bernie and Daniel free. Hello wise if in mind blowing day is being fraught with logistical issues. And the fact I haven't eaten for twenty four hours with us to the real number of the macho us the real crooks monster isn't it you haven't eaten when you say it'd be mind blowing. I mean he's been fairly fairly mundane most standards on the from the father. You haven't had your four enormous meals. Where alway well? We're in the queue to get on the bus which is going across. The Strait of missing remember lost the the bus the bus across the Strait of Messina team. But because we're in a big Q surrounded by team vehicles. We're about to get on the boat remember last year. We even talked about the bridge. That was never built Over the straighten Messina still not been built a year later. You are listening to this. Podcast at our did retire brought to you by. I woke up flexible loans for small businesses. Today we add in Prijedor marriage. Says you say we're well? We're in prior a modern now. Richard that at the start of the episode laws clip from a couple of years ago when Daniel and I were in the queue to get on the ferry from Sicily across to the mainland felt like a regular on that ferry. We spent hours waiting to get on board. I think commented the second time round run ran a lot more smoothly than the first and I reckon that by about twenty twenty. Five the as organizers. Got that down to a tae that crossing well hopefully napalm under. If you remember a couple of years ago we talked about this. What's become a national joke in Italy about the bridge that's never been built I don't know where where the plans are. The moment as far as connecting the mainland with Sicily and with the bridge I think it's been shelved definitively but yeah that's something Italians A very familiar with that story. Well listen in the course of the next two episodes we're building. Our own bridge aren't between the two sides of married Cipollini in a way we're looking at the great Italian sprinter. The record holder for stage wins at the GPO the Talia You know really. Larger THAN LIFE FLAMBOYANT CHARISMATIC CHARACTER. An entertainer really wasn't he? Monitored chip leany his pump which was in the nineteen ninety s and early two thousands. He's a bit like a dazzling flair Sean brightly and obscured everything else for a while and he was a bit like another charismatic cyclists who emerged reemerged in one thousand nine hundred and nine and I think will draw some parallels between Meyer CIPOLLINI and Lance Armstrong over the course of these next two episodes because Armstrong. There is a dark side at two CIPOLLINI. But we're going to really look at his career chronologically the shades darker as years have gone on. And we'RE GONNA start off in this episode looking at the the early years of Cipollini up to his pump 'em when he was the dominant sprinter in world cycling but more than that the the biggest personality in world cycling as well and somebody who I think probably left a very strong impression on the three of us given the time when we were all getting into following so much so rich. I've dressed up as CIPOLLINI today. I don't know if you've noticed. I forgot to mention that I mean. Obviously the Carl's and but also the Under the teeth Daniel and blinded here in my office after Miami Sunglasses on. But you've got the cycle casquette on your head perched on top of your Your head the rippling packs that you can see. Yeah March got under my jump so I can't see your your torso which is fortunate nor yours Lionel but you're definitely definitely reminiscent pinger. Hustle marriage to the the cycle years of marriage. Cipollini am cycle that coffee machine. Yes why I know because the not certainly something that will get into anyway All you need Daniel there. Some preko sunglasses. Remember the on trademark. What are we gonNA talk about that? It's not me I think. Well someone is. We're going to hear from lots of people in these two episodes I including rivals and and and others who raced with Cipollini am but before we get onto Mario M Super Mario the Lion King. Can you tell US Lionel The tail of the top candidate rich stage seven of Algiere from tro pay a prior a two hundred eleven kilometers. Or they have about a lovely right up. The coast should be a flat. But there is a hill in the middle and naturally Race Director Daniele Freer. Cini has sent our Jira on the. Gt Cycling Platform over that Hill. So the flattest of flack days. We've got quite a bit of climbing to do Daniel any this. Well I can. I can imagine Mario Cipollini your action to my racer And I think already stressed this. I came under great pressure from dark forces behind behind our Jira to include as many clients as possible specifically for the GT segments untold on computers talking digital cycling and flat stage a very boring and but it did remind me does remind boring. They're not they're obviously. It made stage with been made me wonder what Meyer Cipollini's reaction to this would have been and CIPOLLINI. I remember there was one. Jira presentation nine hundred ninety seven. He attended as always. He was probably an zebra print suit or something and when the Jira was unveiled and he was absolutely a gas and he said it looks like a tour of Jira of Italy Ski Resorts. We won't need An accreditation we'll need to ski pass Well it's already been established fun of the mountains. He's already been established a weekend. I'm writing the into Jira targeting the Sierra classification by doing approximately half of the the distance anyway Priam modest does give the race director of the Jiro a few options. Do you remember in Two Thousand Sixteen Richard when you'll see one a punchy finish and We came out of the press room looking for the press buffet for some lunch. And we saw colleague Alice Steph Fotheringham and we asked him and he waved his on very kind of vaguely in the direction of nowhere and we couldn't find what turned out to be just press buffet of the Jira and we ended up having just a piece or an illegal pizzeria. The piece was perfectly nice but we it was very nice and then a couple of years after that Daniel. We were that when Sam Bennett won his first grand tour stage and in the evening we had an excellent meal with Chiro. And the guys from what was that. That was yes in a place called scholar just up the coast anyway. Let's cross over to the core napalm before we do before we do. I should just stress as well. The reason I took a step prior modding Jira was and we had a cracking a belting hotel booked a place called Castelo the Remain on the way to Castroville. Larry which was going to be this. The start time for the following stage also thought town in our year of the following stage. But you were going to be staying in a tree house in the middle of a vineyard and I would have paid good money to see that. Well let's hope. Let's hope that we get to do that later. On in the air or in future years I'd no problem. We're sleeping in a tree house or Wendy House. Whatever whatever you want to lie on Sanyo any anyway. Let's cross over to the court and see how the Buffalo is getting on on the climb. They seven on our Chiro survive that Nah yesterday just about survived. I'm a tough one today. Again a coastal routes largely by the Nazi Count Prior Murray at the end. Show for Peter. Mcintosh who's being there like me. Certain as we'll up to the climb. Thank you Peter from Australia. Alex thinks so be as evening my morning. I'm a tough stage. Though I'm once again well grumbles in the Peleton restricted Daniele Free Branchini his his Co. On a sugary peg as we say in Scotland. You are listening to this. Podcast at our d'italia brought to you by Waka flexible loans built for small businesses. I W. O. C. A. DOT CO DOT k. a big effort to are title sponsors. I walk the award. Winning Finance Company that specializes in lending to small businesses. Finds it in two thousand eleven. I walk is I should more than one billion pints to companies ranging from startups to establish businesses. And I walked cam between one thousand two hundred and fifty thousand pounds by making quick and easy to apply for a loan and get quick decision. It can be more flexible option. Then approaching the big banks for more information on I walk go to I walk up. Dot Co. don't You k today? Then tomorrow on our JEETER. We'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT. Mario Cipollini at the the light and shade of of CIPOLLINI and in today's episode going to be looking at as his early years up to his pump really am when he was the dominant sprinter in the world but Lila. Maybe you can take all the way. Back to the origins of Meyer Cipollini word. The Lion King Spring from well. Yeah the nicknames. The Lion King and Super Mario. They were to come much later. Just Super Mario. I mean he'd been brilliant computer games cycling wouldn't they clearly it'd be. He'd have been leading out year. I want archery Tae Mario Laming True Mary. Cipollini was born on March twenty second nineteen sixty seven in Luca. His brother Chat today was Eight years older than him and was also a professional cyclist from nineteen. Seventy eight to nine hundred ninety. Mario was napalm borne. Did you know this? And I didn't I didn't until today and I I haven't found an explanation for it. I was born in Belfour in front. That's right yeah I was going to ask you about that but I thought that was lorry driver whether that had anything to do that. No probably not Ashley piece the piece it together. Well one of the mysteries anyway. Marriott was a junior world champion in the team. Time trial on the road in one thousand nine hundred five and he turned professional for the Dow Tongo team in one thousand nine hundred and nine and that was the only season. The seasons at the two brothers wrote together also on that team with the reigning world champion Maria phoned and a future jira winner Franco kilt. Yolly CIPOLLINI's I probably witness came all at once. The Gino Di Puglia in eight thousand nine hundred ninety one thousand three stages in a row and a month later he got his first jared Italia stage win at the first attempt or in the first year they took part in stage twelve in MIATA and in one thousand nine hundred followed with two stage win so he was off to a flyer in terms of winning. Sprint finishes Daniel but was always destined to be a professional rider. Did his brothers interesting in the sport make inevitable that he would follow in this in the wheel tracks so to speak. I think he would send say yes. Napalm Amsoil as you said Shehzad was a decent pro and when a few things but N- Jerusalem Melia was probably the biggest win but Mario used to go and watch chase at I says and Tele famous story about and they always used to go up the coast from where they live near. Luca onto the roof Manta Raymond. Watch Samra and CIPOLLINI's birthday often fell actually on some raimo and one year how Cipollini was maybe seven or eight and he was there with these Dodd Rivaldo and they watch the Tongo pass and Chattanooga Boston. Mario turned to his dad and said I promise. I will win milan-san Raymond Foye one day so the was all was already sort of planted at that point and by all accounts is pretty hyperactive kid. I'm allegedly age. Sixty case mums fear. Five hundred until your first spin around the family sort of plot. The family ranch in Sanju study comfortable. I don't think that did you think that's even plausible. That story as I said. Very very hyperactive. Some was the manager of the GIST team. Piero Piero only came out of the House one day and with a contract for his brother Chaser and he remembered that Mario such handful the the family tied into an olive tree with a rope to to stop moving plausible any well. That's possible but when he got aboard his when he goes bike he was. He was quite something He won I mean a staggering number of rice in the the majority of races took part in junior and even you know as he sort of got close to become a professional. I think in in the loss in his last year or two before it did become a professional Legend has it that I would say to other items in the Peleton while you win as much as you can now because my brother's coming and he's GonNa win everything and at that point. You know people weren't only talking about Cipollini as a sprinter. I mean you mentioned that heat. He had great pedigree as a junior in time. Charles and team time trials Use The world champion Jeannie world champion. So Yeah a bit of a bit of a phenomenon by all accounts. It's interesting Donna. Looking back at his early wins. Because I have in my mind's eye C. Cipollini as this kind of muscle by very imposing character with a quite impressive physique and of course Unmodern or a recent sprint. Who's been similar in in Luke's if nothing else is Marcel Kissel but actually am when I was looking out their respective Stotts kittles bigger than CIPOLLINI. Cipollini wasn't actually. That big emmy wasn't not heavy. He was toll and but he was actually quite lean on and in those early years he was quite gangly. The other thing they have in common is having both been very strong. Time trialists as younger writers before becoming sprinters. And I guess that they were similar. 'em Or kipling became Sim- similar in style. A kettle in in you know being good Going from the front and really taking on From quite a long way being a very strong sprinter an Hartman to get around once he was in front and when he did start He was regarded as just a very very talented young writer. But people had no real inkling. It would become the personality that he did. There was a bit of a bit of flourish about him but he he started when he stays in Jira very early Z. Kilda do so lesson he's GonNa figure and Yeah it was only sort of As the years went by Um when he moved on from del Tongo and he joined M. G. team and met Kettani That he really starts started to embrace whether this alleging the this lodge personality but the literature. Pauline best cheerleading bicycling any. You mentioned CIPOLLINI moving. On from del Tongo he did three years Tongo and then joined the Gbi. Mg team which the real mash up of Belgian and Italian cycling wasn't the team management was Was was Belgian but the heart of the team was Italian. And after finishing second to Djamolidine Abdujaparov Jatropha nineteen ninety-one Cipollini backed up with two victories. In back to back years ninety two and ninety three and this was when Cipollini was really establishing himself as one of the best sprinters in the world in ninety two he won four stages in the Jiro including the points Jersey. I went to the Front for the first time. Didn't actually win a stage in ninety two but that would soon come. Nineteen ninety-three was probably the first high profile controversy. I guess in the The finish of Alan Ramo in via Roma Daniel perhaps you can tell the story of what happened because Mary dress at won the race and Cipollini was part of the Peleton. That couldn't actually get over the finish line because it was a complete scrum in the Finnish. Streit by you told it napalm perfectly well. That's pretty much what happened there. Cipollini through his bike through the Rear Windscreen Albright's director Katerina Costello in a fit of Pique Yeah I I an authentic Italian casino and a big mess that you often get at the end of milan-san Raimo ninety-three as well Cipollini one as I for on stage and how the Yellow Jersey for three days and in ninety four you know the controversial moment. Stick in the mind you know. They came fairly thick and fast but in ninety four he won the opening stage of Pyrenees. And the following day walked. Wearing the leader's White Jersey was photographed. Smoking a cigarette as he was riding through the convoy of team. 'cause other incidents around that time he got fined for using a mobile phone in the bunch. Not The only rider to have done that. But you know when Cipollini does he was the first he hosted about quite recently the first right. It's make a mobile phone call mid race but that yeah he was seconded milan-san remo the racer he prized probably above all others. Certainly the one day ratio won bunch sprint behind Georgia full-on and the The year was really titled. For him by terrible. Crashes Walter which was held in the spring those days one of the early stages finished in Salamanca. And he's teammate. Another very good Italian Sprinter Adriana Baffi basically took him all the way across the road and stop Cipollini in the barriers and it was a crash really took its toll and wiped out. Most of the rest of the season for him in ninety four they. Cycling cast at our Data D'italia he supported by science sciences. Ford fueled by science. Thank you very much. Indeed to our longtime sponsors science and sports and don't forget you can still get twenty five percent off all your sciences sport products at Science Sport Dot Com with the code. 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But but no means it is fat or two weighty in fact it's the top one just as you crying out for apply to claims or Abe Kumbum. Golly abuse join whatever about you chop Greg was bang on there with a low you into thinking sweet maybe a bit Lamar Cipollini in the mid nineties He could you could be drinking at. I mean reminds me a bit of a Vin Santo the famous Tuscan sweet one which particularly like same great malvern but then as as Greg says. The sweetness fades away smell. Sweet doesn't the honey there Daniel us. Maybe you're really coming into form now. Goose Berry I'm not so sure about will get that Rodney try grapefruit grape quickly chops and this. This one is from the islands which the audience between sleep. Calabria or Priam moderate where we're going today and we've never been that jared never been. That could go there if there enough roads to host the Jiro on Selena whether it's winds from it's a favorite spot about good friend. Chitose going yeah media of course is of course as well. Listen from a white wine undo remember to drink responsibly. Am from a white wine to a man named white. Although as Mario Cipollini Colton block in his little joke and Matt White the Ni- sports director at Mitchelson Scott by a writer from Australia who went over to Italy to turn professional in the ninety s and lived in Luca. Wear Cipollini am has lived for a long time and so I got to know him quite well when he was setting on his career. And let's hear from Matt White Mario when his when I first tend professionally Always living in Tuscany in Lucon. That's Lucas Cipollini leaves it. Always seek him out quite regularly On the ball and has divvy training groups that are tag along to as well and he Obviously coming from a tiny never been to Italy and all of a sudden leaving their writing on Italian saint send the ninety first year and I did not understand how Italian rising sort of worked and people. I heard stuff that he was. He's around the show in the integrate pedal and that sort of stuff and I remember the first mountain style jawed. Bud Bay dropped off battling away halfway up. Thank you to call Cipollini. Possibly holding onto the lot of the police just always awesome waving away there and rolling away. Mario is holding onto the back of the law on the on the police moldable. I went screaming than we saw. Talked with the call on for us That's the first time I ever saw him in. The second time was on the start of mountainside in are being told. We want to change that. We needed to get people in bright's so I'd lined up in a neutral area Up near the Front Mariachi lay had taken the front row of the Of the rice in just he kind of mutual he put his hands out is a said To climbs not rising then we start a guy. Everyone could peers. Yelling out is the front of rice and detained. What what was he main and he said we will not right. The first day concert going steady. I said well why is that he said are as cold it and anyway sound little Being some little south Americans ripped out of the bunch. Communist-era Mario Mario chased him down and actually helmet popped him and And this still. I remember this. Call him out. But didn't I wonder what did an? Mri sprinted off for him coating on the head because there was no law television. Stop and I remember that they used to have a cheek. Lemay Jersey which used to be an intimate sprint halfway through the Diet and that was a separate Jersey just for that Spring and decide when the helicopter would come out of maybe five to ten minutes from fled intimated sprint and and a lot of the studies. You want to add to Rice in Toledo licotta that let mullets and token The television for the break or whatever onset on some of the site is now he reigns ruled. He ruled Italian rising on face. That was incredible. Another another one with Remember the wanted foresight is in the Tour de France and then he put out. I six or seven anyway. Got for Roy moved. I'd moved. Pices living Recovery Roy always writing the tours Was On July. Ten is the Tudor France. And so I guy for Rod Mornings come on what the offense so I was down near the Orissa and Owes writing South and go running the other direction. This go ahead no shirt on and DOC is anything. I'll go caused that. It was Mario. He had no should on roll the knicks out really high and he's hair was slicked Jalen it Glasses on it'll Looks across the ride that needs to call me black good As quite funny is the opposite of what and he he looks across shell black evaded. The to street is the full logo friends with him but yeah because trying with him. Not I in a lot of Gerard in We we knew each other. Even off the retard you'd save the GIO. Every year we the whites satellite show the buttoned-down about full bots with the with the big Chinatown as so as women. Now they suddenly broke the mold with them. Our show that it hit a lot of charisma and That that over taints and he's likely is just built around. Mug muggle did he deliver a while another man who saw Mary Cipollini. Close for many years with Graham Watson photographer who covered all of CIPOLLINI's career At the jury Talia and Has a story to tell. And let's hear one from graeme. Which kind of amplifies really what Matt wishing about how. Mario Cipollini his own rules. Most of the stories isn't it's overly about revenge cheaper dominated the race for so long It once he had a friend of mine. Go ahead and initially. You don't just by just by a you know a sandwiches you get it prepared the because we use the bakery shot by roll bread then you go to the Delicatessen and they will provide you with the tomatoes and also the the Mozzarella cheese in the ocean and made made for you while you wait you. Don't you don't go ahead. And by that night us in a cellophane wrapper so CIPOLLINI has one Italian portal. When Edna order the bread roll and when I say they hate him and he had to go ahead. Thirty five forty minutes out of the race and the same guy ordered the the tomatoes Mozzarella from the delicatessen. But someone else had come in the shop. Pick it up because advice was just going by. But that's largely what she did but definitely Nicer Tomato Mozzarella Samuel of Togo. But not me. And he was given it actually hurt. He stopped a plate of pastor once. He pre-ordered some pre ripple. And and there's even these these exaggerations whereby control the speed of the palace on just so that when they got to this village where where his pass was waiting. It was just the perfect time. Every story here gets more and more exaggerated elements of truth in it north shore about you but Talk of having a sandwich is making me hungry. You always hungry it. Didn't you don't need an excuse or a some kind of cute? This is true this is true. Ill ristorante Oh no. Okay if know if you're not if you're not hungry then you're anticipating hunger. Well is true Richard and one of the joys of traveling around the GOP's he's eating my way around it and discovered some dishes. I really would have dismissed just from a written description and today's recipe of the day is one of those Pasta Amoud. Ika which on. Paper doesn't sound terribly promising pastor withdrawing breadcrumbs fried in oil. It sounds like it's going to be pretty bland. Let's hear from food writer Felicity Clark. Also the author of the Book One more question for the road about pasta some Muka eastern reasonably new on asked us. I'm Moody Car. Because I have eaten it as a as a Prima Piazzi in was actually in. Calabria where not had it before and I was really taken with it but didn't know a great deal about it and it's not something when I was even googling recipes really wasn't coming up with much in in the UK it was mostly kind of American websites. And they they did all sorts of things with them so had she had to look up an Italian recipe and gas closer. I could say I did not day before you mentioned it but I didn't know what it was cooled. So it's a very so the classic Cina Provera Daesh born of necessity. Basically very popular down in Sicily and Calabria which have been sort quite Paul reaches. It's kind of dish that uses the things that you might have in the store cupboard at the end of the week when everything else will the fresh stuff. Run Out And it uses a Actually Maiden breadcrumbs and so so season breadcrumbs so you fry any open of sale bread or you can use fresh bread. If you happen to be you have fresh bread Speth Any Friday is in olive oil. A little bit of seasoning. And then you can use that rule sorts of things if you're feeling a bit Clocks sheet them to Stock Fish Sardines and the other wonderful seafood down there or packers they couple juices or you can agree to ask the dish toss Makassar and actually don't really need anything more if he sees them the oil and I which is something that you know is quite abundant found mass. You don't really need anything else quite often these days you get stuff. You've got garlic. He's got Visa quite popular on because I always have been hanging around You can add Chili. I've even seen quite Sicilian portraits and pine nuts raisins which is very typically Sicilians with Morrish combination. But really it's apple dish already. Et One. I think it comes together and I don't know maybe you'd have on the table me but then fifteen minute is widely delicious. I signed it. Because you think oh well pasture breadcrumbs carbon Cobb. Yeah I love it. I think she'd be thing if you've been Climbing in the south talion fantasy to the best. While I did use Chevy's I possibly was a little heavy on the is because as I said my doesn't anything from the say. So I made two batches of this and put all of the anchovies in half which possibly possibly upset the balance slightly but I did manage to balance it back out again with the with the know and with a little bit fresh Chili which just gave it a sort of a heat and and freshness but in terms of being able to assess it. I mean did it look. Appetizing mentioned carbon carbs. I mean it's it's a hard one to make. Look beautiful fell. I mean I suppose it does the patents on anew saying the beauty and the COB and I love of trickle Cobb playtime all about the page food so I didn't find that problem and she had made a lesser with the setting the photo. You sent me. Maybe you were a bit worried about Because it looks it looks beautiful A couple of things stood out for me. I think I I agree. That may be whether it be heavy with the anchovies and I think maybe he should've let them Dissolve into the oil before Utah State with the plastic. Say let in big chunks. I'd say he's fresh Chili Deji which looked Chrissy. But probably I probably use dry chillies guy for especially probably hadn't took But if it tasted good about charging obviously I'm touching but yeah I feel hungry. Line no am nice to get another flavor of your restaurant there. In what firt and cooking up Paul. These marvelous Italian dishes she and mccown visit at the moment. Shame the doors closed. Add home delivery. That's all knock. Sorry so all the time it gets to your in tooting. That's true on with Mario Cipollini. Indeed well from ninety five to nine thousand nine. He's really approaching the peak of his powers and racking up. Jiro on tour. Stage wins in nine hundred. Sixty one four zero stages again He was Italian national champion for the first and only time and that was the first year with the SACO team in ninety seventy wins five Jewish stages and shakes Gino Bartali. The league table of Jiro State winners. And this is when Mario Cipollini at a marketing tool it born really he's writing the CANANDAIGUA. Dial bike He wears yellow shorts. Go with the Yellow Jersey in the Tour de France. Which at the time was a an offense punishable by a series of small fines. But he kept doing it prior to that he'd worn the stars and stripes shorts of course to publicize the candidate bike and he's really becoming a marketing phenomenon. And things that you probably frown upon bit now. Such having a an image of Pamela Anderson painted by coming sort of obvious era. I guess pretty keeps racking up these Jewish state wins and by nineteen thousand nine. He's really leaving. Its mark on the Tour de France as well winning four stages in the row including at the time. The fastest road stage that year. The one thing that displeased the Tour de France organizers. I was that he would await put out before. The mountains never actually finished the tool in his career. But by the end of the Nineteenth Marriott Cipollini is a phenomenon really very small. Looping about fifty riders competing for the speak. Chris Boardman has made the streets but the time bonuses could well lose in the race laid as the finish approaches. Cipollini leads all the way to the line. Void CIPOLLINI is towing the best. Finish the live. You're never get by this man when he has such a clear shot at the finish line being challenged right by Sauber at gain Dabo beaten and right on the line. Coach elite is back right now. Cipollini oncoming. He's Tom Steals steals. Confess Oval put on the line. Cipollini makes two zero. He's coming over. Tibiletti shoulder-to-shoulder steals on the line. But I'm not so sure that judges were light. That Paul looked a little bit shakey. Tom Steels has been cold onto the podium by the race organization but almost at the same time. He takes the applause of the crowd. Here they referees are saying he has been disqualified from first place. I'm place to the back of the field for his dangerous sprinting. So in fact Cipollini is the stage Fanini now once more launching the missiles the finish as he waits until the last possible moment Cipollini remember. He's aiming now at a sixty nine year. Old Record Tilles gone at. What's happened is lost both these pedals at the same time and how he's kept up by the pride. I doubt. Nobody's giving a clearer now the jubilee. He's done eight four in a row for Mattio CIPOLLINI phenomen sunny off. The bike is becoming one. Wasn't he napalm In particular when he moved to psycho and they linked to Canon. Del There was some very smart people. In the MONCTON apartment candidate data really started to of leverage CIPOLLINI'S IMAGE. But he'd really particularly to embrace this image of himself as a sex symbol and coinciding coincidentally not with him getting married in. Nineteen ninety-three married to the The daughter of a famous Fulmer goalkeeper Fiorentina football goalkeeper and around that time he started very frequently referencing. Sex in interviews of well-trained nineteen ninety-three where he said an all Gaza only loss few seconds of victory last forever and that was that was often cited in future years. He also said once I'm Hermaphrodite I've got her on the brain between my legs the fill in the gaps. And Yeah he any opportunity rates talk about sex. He grabbed it with both hands. There was There was another occasion at the tiny ninety seven when He complained that everyone in the room. The journalists looked looked miserable and there was only a day to the end of the Juror and he said to them. You know you'll should cheer up when we get home after the Jiro. The second thing we do is put down our suitcases Inferring that the first thing and the ride is did was was something else. We need that did we. The Daniele explanation much got off. I I one I mean. I vividly remember the opening to the turn of Franz coverage one year when it it was all about cipollini against Djamolidine Abdujaparov from the result of a camera panning. The length of CIPOLLINI's sculpted body and it did seem to me at the time that part of that from tip. Lee's point if you was the contrast with with the Tashkent terror with AAJ appropriate. Was this kind of Dur. Mono-syllabic and Eastern European sprinter and Cipollini in setting himself apart from JAP seemed to go to the other extreme am. I don't know if that was part of that kind of act at the time or whether or not was just. Cipollini am finding his true self and expressing you know who he thought he was a big big part of it was an Cipollini playing to a receptive audience. And we all know that Battalions Lover Lover Now fights very sort of visual culture really unashamedly objectify women again. It's it might be coincidence. But nineteen ninety-four Silvia. Bellini became the Prime Minister for the first time the first is three terms in Italy and he was someone he was really celebrated and glorified in Italy for the way he objectified. Women Really You know went went through several marriages boasted about boasted about fares To be honest and Italy an even the Italian language objectivise women to the tune. Extend other languages done if I was referring to your wife rich and Italian out cool at the mall whereas you would just be more and you know this. Is Women do as well. They call each other. They use the definite article. They literally objectify each other. And you know everything is sexualize in Italy. Always talking to napalm the other day about cookbooks in Italy. This is some of the John John Dickie. Couple of days ago. To one of his books they leads. And how cookbooks in Italy particularly the seventies and eighties. They were very sort of erotic over. My Sophia Loren did a very famous cookbook in Italy. Where she was sort of you know she had a show unbuttoned and damage was called in the in the kitchen with love and it became the sensation Sold you know. I don't know whether it's millions of copies and then you know the famous quotes from her everything you see Iot Spaghetti and everything in Italy or is is sort of sexualize to a certain extent and so when Cipollini said the kind of thing and that kind of thing about you know we'll Adams and companionable Gaza victories. People really lapped it up especially in the sport and it's sort of blue collar spotlight professional cycling. We'd no as in graces at that time just makes me think back to last year and that extraordinary night where we had Dana a with the with our BNB host and the TV. Saturday night. Tv in Italy really extraordinary I it was. It was women in Bikinis clambering slides women in bikinis wrestling in March women. In it was just it was just no nuance to what so ever initials kind of prime time on The most popular channel initially. And didn't he say to you Daniel? This is the best program in Italy. I mean we all that may. It was an uncomfortable dinner. That wasn't it for a number of it's a Martha Mayes in our in our book isn't it ought not dinner. With the Italian Bruce Willis and his gun collection and enemy a whole other story. But yeah I mean so you're saying basically CIPOLLINI was was part of the culture but also playing to that culture as well. Yeah absolutely and as I said. The the marketing man was The certainly the Marketing Department Canon del Rey successful In in creating the sex symbol of it out of him he loved it and you know the question was never really no one ever really raised their hand and said well hang on guys. Mary Disney You know he's supposed to be. He's supposed to be a family man. Well the more to the point north wave the shoe company there was a very famous with Cipollini Holding a a naked woman in his arms. I mean he wearing he cycling shoes in a what looks to me to be like some kind of Flamboyant of Rene Sewn soldiers outfit I mean you can Google if you really want to say it but it was really walls of. It's time those. Those adverts were commonplace. Wasn't that they were printed in magazines and finally What twenty years ago but values have changed quite significantly since oh stays. There was another case in. He missed the start he missed the start of Jira stage and it was reported in the papers the next day because he was chatting to Miss World. I mean obviously his his antics all of attention which was the whole point on and it wasn't always on a sexual theme em you know He. He dress up all kinds of flamboyant outfits often at the turn of France the biggest stage of all and he had a very complicated relationship with the tertre Franci. You've got the sense that there. There was them unrequited love. There too didn't really embrace CIPOLLINI's falmboyant in the way that cipollini embrace the the the sort of at the two offered in his later years which will hereby by 'em he his team often wasn't invited to to the wants them about night treat it with disrespect. Didn't ame and there was this. There was a story in ninety five. They cranked up the air conditioning in his hotel room deliberately. So I could get ill and that would give him a legitimate excuse to leave the to wash his roommate. Silvio Martinez Logo Aero instead and we heard from white earlier by him spot. The training days after having pool that the are clearly nothing physically wrong with him. But while all this obscures our overlooks as that. He must have been a a serious athlete to compete at the level that you compete for so many years it was a an aspect that he probably deliberately underplayed and because it didn't fit with the with the image but 'em to have success to be that the goods and and in our domain sprinting. That really is not for the faint hearted you need to be brave and courageous take risks Cipollini was there and You know unimpressive athlete to and we're going to hear knife from the Belgian sprinter. Tom Steels who went sort of head to head with them and steals as a kind of complete contrast in in every way am very still a sports director with Dakota quickstep. As interesting he won stage one of the third of France in one thousand nine hundred eight and Dublin and I was there and I I when I heard them mention that that when I was shocked because in my memory Cipollini on the stage simply because at the end of the stage everybody surrounded Cipollini including me and my brother So you know it was CIPOLLINI. The still all the attention by Tom. Steels here one. That sages says law and yes deals with somebody went head-to-head with him a lot and really saw up close CIPOLLINI. The athlete was always special I'll think mark Collini that years for for sure one of the fastest He had a very strong team. Who was tactically always always On the right path so they could really Time spending well So you really have to be one on the percents beaten and also technically you really have to Cho- chooses Israel because one position behind them and you could already. It was very difficult to win the race So he was like he was like the man to beat and our years Because he was. I think one of the fastest Videos who had a little bit of extra that charisma that That part of the show we always made before starts and the wasn't figure he was one of the I think one of the the is also the Palatal So he was a mental to the other one man team. They're all rose fall for CIPOLLINI and they just had to ride rides for it Once for instance Mario Shirley Owens from Kilometers two to one. They really really liked it up E always that could lead Osmond but he was also himself also quite quite intelligence. Even if it wasn't perfect he always finds the solution. So Yeah you could learn a lot from also but for sure Psycho Adele periods Really a good lead altering of course I did with sprinter To Really Be Talk. Spent if you do ten sprints you almost have to gain five or six Especially when when the whole team is build around your and then Cipollini for sure Made that that average quite easy on dense quincy didn't he didn't do so much and that's why that's why he was the leader of the team and he could also build a team around also caused a few on the bike. And you want you want to win the bike races especially post princess. Then you just have a little bit more Adrenaline on the bike Yet dental costs of for him for sure. It was the guy that you didn't you didn't spend into a fight with before any I mean you could fight with other spenders but not cheaper any so you always have to find a way to To kind of leave him alone but still make that fight to be to be in Israel. So Vegas fire was always behind them But he also you also never really picked the fight also that was not also a style so I cannot remember one one fight. Cipollini for position. you just wrote around you as you are also very good bike rider So the fight was always behind them. yeah and I think in my career. I could be didn't do so many races together but man-to-man I could I could be them. I three or four times. I think in real fuel speed But yeah was not could it could maintain is quite a long time Vehicle you could also come from behind. Specialty was really to start in the reason just to maintain your speed and it was difficult to be here. The thing is is. He was Even if he lost even for a week you said always say so. We never really super nervous On that point because if we spent the sauce to lose e couldn't win the first week yet tends to get really really nervous but him. He always they call. It's right again. Tried again with on the by doing race. You didn't see anything about him. You are still offing you. You're still making jokes But once he got he got the victim the first victory in then really have to be shot to beat him again. It seems to be that the indeed needed some some days to to get on real sweets but but more sales for physically. I never saw Cini. Also bad quite didn't shave the different kinds of spending goals it. I think I was maybe more typical as with a heavy legs and the and the and the exclusivity he was told yet also not really use had lot of muscles but not really typical. I if you saw him on a picture you couldn't say if he was a sprinter or good or wrong writer. If you saw immune affects you then you have calls with with electricity almost immediately that I was friends. So e yet is a little bit of a typical Build up but there are also other spends read the same same characteristics. But of course if you would have been in a in a boxing ring First thing I would do it you about that. I ride is especially in the to stress. And and anything you have to do. A buff is too much but he just e dressed up like a Roman The whole team of reciprocity law Roman and that that's way due to the to the podium so older hassle around it so the clothing you have to chase gloating before the start but for him. I think he needed to to do that. That little bit of extra which was good for the sports also bikes. That look great gets Perfect marketing but also not only marketing. But I also think you needed just just to be the show man just to be the biggest electoral of all so No I think it's very close to his personality. It's also one of the few riders that when Stocks Riding didn't gain weight He still looks like he stopped yesterday. So I think is is his ego is personality is quite I but I think sports greats I mean. He's he's He was the man to beat first of all because he was physically strong. But also because you knew if you beat him it just couldn't stand to lose also was a bit of a about battle between all the spenders at him But I must say he was. One of most was always fast. Sprints that's I cannot imagine Draw by by what you mentioned. Marriage Pollini treating the two fronts as a marketing vehicle. I think he said treating it with a slight lack of respect and in some ways none more evident really than in one thousand nine hundred nine when he dressed up as Julius Caesar on July the twelfth to mark seizes birthday. We really wasn't it. Wasn't really the yeah. I mean I was there that day and absolutely drew everyone towards Cipollini Cipollini almost bigger than the Tour de France From our side and intrude CIPOLLINI style The the riders psycho team or war a different jersey. It was kind of gold and white Type Jersey rather than the traditional red they usually wore so they attracted a low defined for that and then Cipollini out of the and went home before they go to the first big climate die. I mean it was Cipollini in a nutshell really Lionel. Burn the The into Jira. Yeah the I find. We find that parallel. No literally the only comparison between me and Cipollini can assure you but yet CIPOLLINI in the year two thousand perhaps paid the price for those antiques because the Tour de France left his team out of the race. I mean extraordinary now when you think the tool would leave out the of his stature magnetism and but you can only assume it was because he never made over. The mountains never really took the Green Jersey contest. Seriously I mean could could've finished a tour and one racked up more stages but didn't by this stage and two thousand CIPOLLINI one thirtieth Jiro Stage. Which at the time drew him level with? Kostanic Django in the all time list in third place later. On in the year the welter he was kicked out of the race for Punching Francisco. Set as before the stage star actually at the sign on or near the Sino podium. They'd had a beef. The previous day CIPOLLINI was upset that today's Oh it kind of edged him into the crowd tried to gain his retribution on the road. That day didn't manage to. It was still simmering the next morning so got him with a right hook and today's needed stitches. I mean you know unacceptable behavior in any era from any figure in the sport laying hand on another rider especially off in the heat to the moment. Amazing Yeah I mean. This was something that came to the fore and became quite nine about Cipollini the well the how imposing was physically in how he brought that forty could threaten to bring that forced to bear or actually do it. We had from way earlier about the way he would police. The peleton there was a similar story from Miguel Martinez. The mountain biker. Who who then went on to ride from Mapei about in doing something similar. Sort of writing off dream and put in. He's a big poor on Martinez helmet and sort of rotate like a joystick. And telling him he would never ride another race if he did that again if he tried to attack you know when. Cipollini decreed that he wasn't allowed to but there's no doubt the four young sprinters at that time He was he was the sort of monument the totem the everything that they wanted to be in a lot respects. We had the other day from Iran. Corinto when he beat Cipollini in the first stage of the Jiro and what we didn't really hear from grant was the sort of mixed feelings he had about beating Cipollini that day and then Yvonne also told me a very funny story about Another victory but Cipollini in the two thousand Jira Institute agree or we'll talk premature brutal had when I beat him. That was one of sorrow regret. Almost deep down I was almost. I'd beaten him but later it happened. Relatively often and he became a collie irregular opponent. When I came out without lost Ben that day and went past him I looked at him and my heart sort of sank. Barry Mind that when I was fifteen sixteen I'd had his poster on my wall. He was already Cipollini then. I became a junior. He'd started winning all the stages in the Giro and he was an idol. If you're a sprinter it was all about CIPOLLINI pissed off. Whenever he lost it was like your favorite football team. Losing beat him in one thousand nine hundred nine. It was like a method crumbled. That's also what I said to him. The next day his answer to that was listening youngster. That's what he used to call me. Young stay said even the most beautiful things have a beginning and an end but remember that Cipollini is not finished yet and he's going to be a thorn in your side for the rest of your career. He was joking but he was also right. He was one of those tenacious oil. Tuscon wolves and in fact. He went a lot more after that. The world's Sam Raimo convertible and so on and so on anyway. I'll never forget that feeling. I had when I beat him was like scoring a penalty. Pasta Gawky a team must support. Michael Misty Commission yard would go there. I'll put it like water level apart from the Solo specialty. Confining he's going to die in the two thousand year there was a state to Padova and I'd lost all of my teammates international on or something not far from the finish. There were sixty seventy rod is left and I was on my own with no lead out. Train lost twenty kilometers. We're almost entirely straight for the Red Wisconsin. A little over a narrow bridge or chicane five hundred meters from the finish. I knew this because I've done my homework. I'd really studied that finish. Said to myself leave. You weren't one of the first five of that little bridge lost. The I five guys would hold their speed and CIPOLLINI and his lead out. Monroe not five. And you weren't you'd lose all of your momentum. While they began with sixty kilometers an hour. You'd need a motorbike to catch them so anyway. I was thinking about that last corner for twenty kilometers then with my experience from the track and bit of youthful abandon. I was in the guy he didn't break on it. I'd been too far back. Maybe twentieth position so under the kilowatts a kite then suddenly everyone's breaking. I'm leaving it to the last second and I'm screeching around the Corner Property Myself Against Cipollini his pedal scraping the barriers on. Our show does a touching. It's bordering on an illegal maneuver and in fact I would have been disqualified at Takata Petra so much post go but the final chase down now coming from Seiko. There's a sharp end coming. And Fact Fontanella didn't even bother with his. He's allowed them to go through on the inside. This is looking like the perfect lead out. Now Watch out for. She pushes peak outdoor. But I come out in the corner. Fifth-place sake or a leader Mario but I launched my sprint. I and beat him impromptu. Lavar famous gassing lead even Colorado of speed. That man has. He came absolutely as he did when he won the first stage vehicle. The unless he win. Go up on the podium. Get my flowers then. I come back to the bus palm. My bike climb the steps. And then I see Cipollini on I got to go. Gomes Argo Jerusalem Diligence Tsuji Pauline. But I think of it. He basically well. I was climbing the steps at the front of the bus. He was climbing the ones at the back. He sees me and he starts coming end up so she has the market so I turned straight back around jumping team. Cotton off I go. He didn't even have time type in his mouth. Got The heck out of dodge. That night we were staying in hotels. Five hundred meters from each of that and we met up. He'd calm down a bit but it was still hey youngster. We almost crashed. You have to be more careful. Madonna counts double unmarked car pro one of the areas. I think thaw mighty guts overly sorry by two thousand and one the two biggest obsessions which she pollini on the Roadway milan-san remo and the world championships and in two thousand and one. He was beaten by Eric. Zombie milan-sanremo must've thought his chance slip away he was establishing himself as one of the great sprinters in Jira his his tally of stage wins. Now up to thirty four but in two thousand and two. It all came together for him. He won milan-san Remo but lost on the twenty third of March the day after his thirty fifth birthday he added sixty zero stages which put him one behind the all time record holder. Alfredo Binda and then the end of the season. He was world champion at last on the motor racing circuit in Belgium at role. But even the greatest kind of year of his career. There was still time for some controversy that year. He was arrested from motor pacing on the motorway again. A suggestion that the rules don't really apply to Super Mario The lion king. I love about that story. The line is the eve is tucked in behind the smart car. Day. Little baby car and he reckons. He was doing Well he the they. The police fought using seventy kilometers. In our he reckons he was actually doing ninety. Five or one hundred kilometers in our and Yeah listening to music on his Walkman paying attention to avoid the the potholes in the roads and when he saw the policeman signaling for him to pull over just just carried on again will cover this more than the next episode won't May and all these little clues the for Meyer Cipollini. The rules just didn't apply by that time he really was while we used the word. Sheriff he was in Italian In his team psycho I into Cipollini for first time in winter two thousand two thousand and one and went to that training camp in an Marina di Grosseto in the south of Tuscany on a couple of new riders. Coupla near pros who just joined the team and I was looking up to be there for that initiation which is very much orchestrated by CIPOLLINI. One of the ride is was a young American. Could Justin Spinelli who heart turn the previous year with Amdo? My Mom Fritz. Will Fritz and he comes to say. I think organized by Annandale. In any way that night they played a game which was a kind of well it was consisted of the ride is having were being blindfolded. And having to put their finger in an unidentified substance could smell or they can taste it and they had to say what was so they started. Cipollini found the whole thing hilarious and he was sort of filling with ketchup. And this and that and Spinelli was trying to guess he wasn't always getting some rights and wrong and then for for about these third or fourth challenge. He still had the blindfold on Dario Pieri. Big Burly Dario Pieri ninety kilos of him. He was stripping off suddenly. And Dario Pieri got down on all fours with his backside about half a meter from Justin Spinelli face and they then produced a tiny dish of What they filled with Natella and Spinelli was invited to dip his finger in the Natella. And by this point you know Die Pieri was completely naked And Spinelli took off the blindfold looked at the Brown substance on the end of his finger. Looked Daria Pierre's naked backside and run out of the room shrieking which collided ally. While Lionel's goes had his hands. I'm kind of looking through the cracks and this is this is sub Sunday league. Football Club stuff. Isn't it this kind of Ben Sira? Maybe I'm too old now for this sort of thing but it's I suppose it's men in their twenties isn't idiots. He was about some of us. Were how was the time thirty? Asian should've known better. Should Para there. I also resolutely craziest one year on that training camp for putting the wrong number of bread rose in his bread breadbasket at breakfast again. Well yes this kind of excessive behavior. They these anecdotes all adopter to create a picture of CIPOLLINI. I already had really. I mean. They all conform to a type. And I wonder if that's that's off the the legacy of CIPOLLINI and I guess that's what we'll be talking about in tomorrow's episode but yeah the complicated isn't it. I mean I mentioned the in in one thousand nine hundred am I was one of the whole crowd had gathered around March cleaning just trying to catch a glimpse of him in Dublin. Despite the fight he had won the stage. We were all seduced by the th the the charisma the woman that we saw in front of us. You know the the dark side that we weren't aware of such signed clues were there. Perhaps the dogs weren't aware of dead. Become more evident. We'll talk about in the next part but before we go quick trivia question for you m you mentioned his world champion ship in two thousand and two. How many times was married? Shipley slighted for the Italian team for the world championship question. Wonderful any will it. I would guess once once. Wow one for what was it that she didn't know that that's interesting. There you go but let's hear how Mariachi Pallini stacks up in the Pantheon of the sprinters from Tom. Stay or does he think that. Cipollini the greatest of all time for as though to be honest mark because he had years that you've really unbeatable. Which was your reporting. Years is not so far behind it. He's one of the best you do. His character but also due to victory sees a Yvonne so many races. That's for sure. He was one of suspense of Of the history of cycling so that sounded fairly emphatic chaps cavendish better than Cipollini at least according to Tom Steels but what do you think mark cavendish feels about that particular question? You asked Cheapo. Who Do you think the best who was chief own? I chip chip up with me. Who Thinks I've Japan? I'm GONNA say me. We'll we'll hear mark cavendish library tomorrow. M maybe will elaborate on it too. But in the meantime Thanks for much chops. Thank you Daniel. Thank you rich. Thank you line electric.