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Raider's first day of padded practice 2019

Vegas Nation - Raiders Football

18:16 min | 2 years ago

Raider's first day of padded practice 2019

"Again happened north in my opinion we acquired the best wide receiver football us get to work I'm being in the same building of guys who've been great from the past they WanNa have a good receiver I want to have the best receiving core in football and I think they have the pick who probably will make this team this year but the wide receiver bigeye catches a pass over the middle runs downfield play extensively is over okay and so that was the only real injury situation that I noticed in Monday's practice in appears to be all for not up fired up I'll tell you why adds that was the drill period that was really interested in seeing where you see it throughout the course of practice certainly during eleven eleven where it's offense medical risk likewise they also wanted to see the guys now that the physicality increases do does your technique decrease are you getting to amped up and then safety Eric Harris who obviously means no ill-will when he does have some fun and also finishing he come-from-behind strips it the ball and then eight men immediately starts favoring his right hand wrist area practice ended but soon thereafter in evaluated but he looks to be on this Monday third day of training camp and the pads have come on all right we are here today with Ed Greenie Review Journal Sports columnist are raiders be writer Michael Belkin Heidi Fang and you can follow us all on twitter at Belkin. NFL At grainy I am at Heidi Fang Guiseley pads came on today at camp and usually we see some the raiders had a good first day certainly protected each other overall it was a possible scare late in practice where Marcel Eightman a former seventh the defensive lines 'cause pass rush is was make a break area for the raiders last year in it broke them they had thirteen sacks was what's up everybody it's time for another edition of the Vegas Nation podcast brought to you by Sti and Sports Mobile Stations Casino we are out here in Napa today on and doing the things that were taught in the spring or not as during mini camp in during these first couple of days not in pats seemed overall like maybe there recently chippiness it happens every year it's a matter of time in all thirty two NFL camps run the League but they won fights we see some steamed up reactions from some of the players. What did you get out of the first day of pads Michael I'm sure give it some time there will be some it will get you one thing that coaches really stressed the players before stepping on fuel was you gotta take care of each other you know don't do anything that puts a teammate at loves man you should have seen into very nervous that we didn't have someone down at the other end of the field for seven on seven because he had to watch the offensive and defensive linemen go crazy on each other ouch unbelievably back anyway as I watched Gilpin at the other end the feeling he was zeroed in on the hitting so that's all I have for you today Gokhan was up at six? Am Run into walls sports betting APP you need this season sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars let me ask you one question here in pro yes we do they do the if at all are they in that area and I have to be better you know some of those rookies from last year their second year players now they added three more rookie draft picks there that's the base defense you're not asking arden key to play forty snaps again you can ask him to be a situational pass rusher which was raiders plant along last year so I'm eager to see it's of line including the number four overall pick clue furlan just by proxy of his presence in Josh Maros presence of veteran who the team signed in March terrible we don't need to go deeply into it wasn't close to where it needed to be a we don't need to go deeper than this year how much better her and I watched the whole time I ran down a good colleague to get seven on seven by the way in that sense everyone hope out there if you're a Raider Derek Carr doesn't get to injured because those two backup state we have these guys looked and I thought the offense align one the day it would be nice the defensive line on the day but Colton Miller is suddenly eh I think he did North turn I mean I'm going way back but you know the past few coaches that I've been around having done that Gruden Utah so much focuses on that just protecting guys they just don't see that I'm trying to think back the last time I did in my career I'm wondering if Marty Schottenheimer rallied injuries here we're GonNa be as careful as possible something to do with it yeah yeah it's all about protecting players I think in the current CBA landscape just the way that this game is he's three and in a year you'll be the first part first team land values and I couldn't turn that off for now nation presented by STN's sports mobile from station casinos and the attention to detail in terms of what separates good from great you'll hear clue and for all right now talk and you'll see why is it six this morning here in the Napa Little Condo that we're in I heard some rumblings out here and to me that was gal Gadot here running into walls because it's I this kid loves pads talking about his leadership ability he during that news conference I think we have the audio maybe worth playing he goes on this really own man he's gotten a lot stronger and so that was good to see him he certainly fended off clue in Carl quite efficiently Sdn sports is the always oh homa drill man on man they used to I don't think they do that anymore correct me from one they're probably worried about an injury and two they make too much money like in college it's a huge deal. UNLV does Tony antiquated yeah so I don't think that is going to be something that those season ticket holders who shot the practice us we're going to see on the field in Napa people say that he's old school but that's not giving him enough credit he's trying to take care of his player she doesn't want them to get injured there might be times over the course training camp where they go live which means tap into the ground but he's going to do that when say James Butler a type of practice type guy is on the field because he wants to see does it line it up one on one off of Defensive Guy and you just go at it and you're in a little circle there and whoever wins but I would imagine and you can tell the people listening in the NFL they would think we're not aw so I think that in terms of physicality something we could see over the course of camp but when it comes to that it's very raw very amateur football it's very scenes from just the presence in leadership and culture standpoint in your locker room at number four overall you want a building block a two way player a guy who can set the edge in the run game first and foremost but he's also can get after the quarterback till he some degree is this going to be the guy that you can just have be a leader for years to come and that is what by all indications furrow is and again there from him coming from one AFC west team to another settling in with the raiders taught as reporters and journalists and columnists it's all that sounds great from Cleveland for all I think the key thing to follow up on is it's not just what he's saying what's between the ears that the raiders love this that observation from one day at practice as being an indicator that Cleveland Ferrall isn't everything that the raiders wanted and hoped he would be he is referral there's a lot of spotlight on them as a lot is on and pick number four overall in the draft a lot of people said too high but mayock stood behind the guy saying that this was the condo which means we're really into football now and until the pads come on you don't know anyway so very excited that the pads are on Heidi Frank and we talk about what we would you look for when the team is impact should actually already be imprint. We have a special interview with Brandon Marshal the is the only guy right now on the Raiders Roster who hails from Las Vegas you're listening to Vegas nation you can find us on Vegas Nation Dot Com Vegas nation APP and in print at the Review Journal ed has a great piece coming out here okay so we talked a lot of the defensive players today Cleveland for all the and one of them you said that he was being fended off pretty well by Colton Miller Michael so when you look at somebody ear one ten sack guy no you're five or six is he going to be that Guy I'm not even sure that he will be but will he bring you know how he looks and that sort of setting exact Crockett was a player or I'm trying to think of who else a- GRUDEN's talked about how you go live in practice you can it's really great evaluation Dacian of at risk youth where he makes them get certain GPA's he makes them have certain volunteer hours he's a really really bright kind of compelling guy who's helped so many even so not too overly root for people you kind of have to stay balanced in the middle but definitely shamed I'm sorry keep going pronunciation of to Clemson people one of whom I don't really will never ever and then when I cloud cover Cleveland furrow I'll be able to say his name correctly that's just a little tidbit for the people listening at least two years which means he would play in the stadium next year and I talked about running out in that stadium and he says he's dreamed about it over and over his mom moved to Denver when he played in Denver he's now Mama House back you know it's just very deep philosophical you can tell how much it means to them how considered is about not just the future of the raiders but the past of the raiders ask talk to Dabo Sweeney about him clemson coach the I said I need to talk about Cleveland Farrell is all as far all cleanly aw I said okay I'm sorry about that he goes and this is not natural swinney is Sweney so I was able to at that point for whatever reason on deadline no the guess he even said Oh review journal I know I used to look up my stats on the prep site so he's very familiar with our paper. How did that conversation go Brandon Marshall and what do you get Las Vegas tremendous he's helped a lot of kids there he got cut he got waived he's been a practice quasi working all the way himself all the way to superbowl champion it'd be terrific if he could last kids so yeah I hope Brandon Marshall can stay healthy enough to play another year so he could be back in home and finish inveighs not many people could go back to their home it's just it's really just a mindset man you know obviously you gotta be you know physical and had the physical stature to to be you know every down player but I feel

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Raider's first day of padded practice 2019

Vegas Nation - Raiders Football

18:16 min | 2 years ago

Raider's first day of padded practice 2019

"They don't want to have a good receiver core. I want to have the best receiving core football and i think they have the best again. In my opinion we acquire the best wide receiver in football us get to work. I'm decided being in the same buildings guys who've been great on the past. I'm excited to be here. I'll go to now low farce. Winning environment got a great opportunity to go and play with great coach great coach staff great organization a lot of he's these three and in a year you'll be the first part. I and i couldn't turn that offer go. They just nation presented by s._d._n. Sports mobile from station casinos. What's what's up everybody. It's time for another edition of the vegas. Nation podcast brought to you by s. T. end sports mobile stations casino. We are out here in napa today on this monday third day of training camp and the pads have come on all right. We are here today with ed greenie review journal sports columnist are raiders be writer michael belkin. I am heidi fang and you can follow us all on twitter at elkin n._f._l. At ed grainy i._m. At heidi fang guiseley pads came on today at camp and usually we see some fights lights. We see some steamed up reactions from some of the players. What did you get out of the first day of pads michael. I'm sure give some time there will be some. It will get chippy be recently chippiness. It happens every year. It's a matter of time in all thirty two n._f._l. Camps run the league but day one one thing that coaches really stressed the players before the <unk> feel was you gotta take care of each other. You know don't do anything that puts a teammate at medical medical risk likewise. They also wanted to see the guys now that the physicality increases do does your technique decrease. Are you getting to amped up and doing the things that were taught in the spring or not. As during mini camp in during these first couple of days not in pats seemed overall like the raiders had a good first day certainly protected each other overall. It was a possible scare late in practice where marcel eightman a former seventh round pick who probably won't make this team this year but the wide receiver bigeye catches a pass over the middle runs downfield play extensively is over and then safety eric harris who obviously means no ill-will when he does have some fun and also finishing he come from behind strips it the ball <hes> <hes> and then eight men immediately starts favoring his right hand wrist area <hes> practice ended but soon thereafter in evaluated but he looks to be okay okay and so that was the only real injury situation that i noticed in monday's practice in appears to be all for not. I'm fired up. I'll tell you why because is at six this morning here in the napa little condo that we're in i heard some rumblings out here and to me that was gilpin out here running into walls because it's i. This kid loves pads loves man. You should have seen into very nervous that we didn't have someone down at the other end of the field for seven on seven because he had to watch the offensive and defensive linemen go crazy on each other and i watched the whole time i ran down as khali to get seven on seven by the way in that sense <hes> everyone hope out there if you're a raiders derek carr doesn't get injured because those two backup state ouch ouch unbelievably bad anyway as i watched gilpin at the other end of the film and he was zeroed in on the hitting so that's all i have for you today. Gokhan was up at six am running into walls and the condo which means we're really into football now and until the pads come on you don't know anyway so very excited that the pads are on heidi frank and we talk about what what you look for when the team is in pads adds that was the drill period that was really interested in seeing where you see throughout the course of practice certainly during levin eleven where it's offense versus. The defensive lines 'cause pass rush is was make a break area for the raiders last year in it broke them they had thirteen sacks was terrible terrible. We don't need to go deeply into it wasn't close to where it needed to be a wanting to go deeper and then this year how much better if if at all are they in that area and i they have to be better you know some of those rookies from last year their second year players now in that had three more rookie draft picks their defensive of line including the number four overall pick clue furlan just by proxy of his presence in josh maros presence of veteran who the team signed in march. That's that's the base defense. You're not asking arden key to play forty snaps again. You can ask him to be a situational pass rusher which was raiders plan all along last year so i'm just eager to see the how these guys looked and i thought the offense align won the day it'd be nice defensive line on the day but colton miller is suddenly grown own man. He's gotten a lot stronger and so that was good to see him. He certainly fended off clue in rural quite efficiently s._d._n. Sports is the only sports sports betting app. You need this season. Sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars. Let me ask you one question here in pro yes we do. They do the oklahoma oh homa drill man on man they used to. I don't think they do that anymore. Correct me from one. They're probably worried about injuring two. They make too much money like in college. It's a huge deal. U._n._l._v. does tony sanchez. Does it line it up one on one off defensive guy and you just go at it and you're in a little circle there and whoever wins but i would imagine and you can tell the people listening in the n._f._l. They would think we're not messing rallied injuries here. We're gonna be as careful as possible something to do with it yeah yeah. It's all about protecting players. I think in the current landscape just the way that this game is utah so much focuses on that just protecting guys. They just don't see that. I'm trying to think back the last time i did in my career. I'm wondering if marty schottenheimer do that. <hes> i think he did north turn. I mean i'm going way back but you know the past few coaches that i've been around having done that. Gruden and people say that he's old school but that's not giving him enough credit. He's trying to take care of his player. She doesn't want them to get injured. There might be times over the course training camp where they go live which means that you're tap into the ground. He's gonna do that. When say james butler. A type of practice type of guy is on the field because you want to see you know how he looks and that sort of setting exact crockett was a player or i'm trying to think of who else b- gruden's talked about how you go live in practice you can. It's really great evaluation tool aw so i think that in terms of physicality something we could see over the course of camp but when it comes to that it's very raw dairy amateur football. It's very antiquated antiquated yeah so i don't think that is going to be something that those season ticket holders who shook the practice us. We're going to see on the field in napa okay so we talked to a lot of the defensive players. Today clue unfurled the and one of them. You said that he was being fended off pretty well by colton miller michael so when you look at somebody like furled. There's a lot of spotlight on them. There's a lot of is on and pick number four overall in the draft. A lot of people said too high but mayock stood behind the guy saying that this was the guy. I checked all of our boxes as right now. Do you think may still seeing those praises after easing them. Oh yeah absolutely don't make no mistake that observation from one day at practice as being an indicator that clued ferrall isn't everything that the raiders wanted and hoped he would be he. Is you talking talking talking about his leadership ability. He during that news conference i think we have the audio might be worth playing. He goes on this. Really you know it's just very deep philosophical. You can tell how much it means to them. How considerate is about not just the future of the raiders but the past of the raiders and and the attention to detail in terms of what separates good from great you'll hear clue and for all right now talk and you'll see why the raiders were excited about him when selected him number four overall and why they remained excited about him. I've always accord to being a complete player for like. I'm a guy that just my gravity. I never wanna come off the field just because i want to be the guy to say i want him. On the field. I won't be in the trenches with that guy. I won't that guy beside me would be lineup his fourth and one on the goal line and we need it and then we need to stop it from getting zone so <hes> <hes> it's just it's really just a mindset man. You know obviously you gotta be you know physical and had the physical stature to to be you know every down player but i feel like it's just a massive massive the mental toughness and just having an acute for so i gotta keep building that key working hard. I can earn their rights. It's all that sounds great from cleveland for all. I think the key thing to follow up on is not just what he's saying. What's between the ears that the raiders love. This is a two way player a guy who can set the edge in the run game first and foremost but he's also can get after the quarterback till he's some degree. Is this going to be your. You're one a ten sack guy. No you're five six. Is he going to be that guy. I'm not even sure that he will be but well he brings and from just the presence in leadership and culture standpoint in your locker room at number four overall. You want a building block a guy that you can just have the leader for years to come and that is what by all indications furrow is and again you. You're listening to vegas nation. You can find us on vegas. Nation dot com the vegas nation app and in print at the review journal. Ed has a great piece coming out here that it should. It actually already be imprint. We have a special interview with brandon marshal. A is the only guy right now on the raiders roster who hails from las vegas yes. He even said oh review journal. I know i used to look up my stats on the prep site so he's very familiar with our paper. At how did that conversation go a brand marshall and what do you gather here from him coming from one a._f._c. west team to another settling in with the raiders taught as reporters and journalists and columnists <hes> even so not too overly root for people you kind of have to stay balanced in the middle but different ashamed. I'm sorry keep going. Would you sansa thanks homer g going on so i don't wanna be homer but i'll be a homer with brandon marshal because of his background. I think it would be awesome for this guy. He signed a one year deal but you know he's he's getting along. The two sides injuries please eight years in the league has super bowl ring but this is a guy who vegas guy his foundation for at risk youth in las las vegas tremendous. He's helped a lot of kids there. He got he got waived. He's been on practice squad working all the way himself all the way to super champion. I think it'd be terrific if he could last at least two years which means he would play in the stadium next year and i talked to him about running out in that stadium and he says he's dreamed about it over and over. His mom moved to denver when he played denver. He's now mama house back in las las vegas. Oh she's back there. I just think awesome brandon marshall could run out of that stadium with the home team and everything he's done for kids in las vegas people. I know people listening some people i know but he has a foundation dacian at risk youth where he makes them get certain g._p._a.'s he makes them have certain volunteer hours. He's a really really bright kind of compelling guy who's helped so many kids kids so yeah i hope brandon marshall can stay healthy enough to play another year so he could be back in home and finish it inveighs. Not many people could go back to their hometown down to finish their careers and certainly not in vegas because north is going to get a team until they did so that was really cool. I will say this clue in rural at the draft when i asked ask talk to davos sweeney about him the clemson coach the i said i need to talk about cleveland. Farrell is all all as far all cleanly bar'll aw i said okay. I'm sorry about that. He goes and this is not nabal. Swinney is sweney so i was able to at that point for whatever reason on deadline no the correct pronunciation of to clemson people one of whom i don't really will never cover and then when i covered cleveland furrow i'll be able to say his name correctly. That's just a little tidbit for the people listening. What's funny burrel yeah. It's very important to player to pharaoh but it's not pronouncing. The thing isn't that people don't take it from me. When you watch hard knox for the first episode on august six. You're going to hear it coaches. Call him feral so they call him the incorrectly incorrect way but i probably should have asked clue in this but obviously he's not correcting people you just go. I'm sorry mr gruden. It's actually furrow. Thank you brian. She it it. It's not something that is going to be said but it is for pearl. Point made sweeney not sweeney. I always thought it was was sweeney. Sweeney sweeney. If you look at it spelled you'd think swinney winnie an e y e tomo sweeney call the coach by the name and i did as long as we don't have another two raw aw tyrod taylor situation on hard knocks. I'm good but something michael. You've made note of today <hes> when we were doing our wrap up here was the fact that avanti's perfect came out and spoke a little bit about jonathan abram the other rookie. I guess interesting because he said that it was kind of like doc. That abram reminded him of himself. What was it exactly that birthday had to say. There was like lebron james saying about a rookie he takes too. Many free throws is vaunted perfect saying this guy's too aggressive. He is a perfect conversely has a track record and it's well deserved. He is by many people's estimations if you're a a name a dirty player in the n._f._l. The first name that is cited. There's other players around the league certainly but he's on the mount rushmore for sure and yet we play this clip to ready. We can play. We'll play it but elkins becoming like an expert at throwing the clips looks right. He loves throwing the clinton visit on video and now he's doing. He wants us so badly interrupted himself in his own thought by saying heidi we throw into this clip. Can i have a quick look through didn't throw to and by the way this is vaughn is perfect saying that jonathan abrams do aggressive is like mike belkin saying you're going after the news too much. This is beat writer writer baby. Maybe he's all about the news better throw that i could've died rural heidi roll it. I don't remember any time rookie. That's coming in just talking as much they. I do even getting into other players heads and just like i said abraham saw aggressive. Sometimes i have to tell you gotta. Hold it back a little bit. You know where team so the kings ragging on the rams come in he doesn't he doesn't care so you know. He's young talented aggressive. I can't wait to see him. Play on sundays never thought i'd here the day like you said volunteers perfect calling somebody else too aggressive. That's what you get out of. This raiders cam newton crew new culture new coaches everything. It's going to be a completely different. Look is what i think. The fans are hoping from last year's team <hes> as far as injuries go michael. Is there there anybody of note right now that we should let the fans know about as far as notable injuries that happened today happened today. No eightman was the only thing that i noticed anyway. Perhaps i miss it. It's possible happens. We'll see what happens based on this weekend. There were some ailments step popped up at evanger does suffer concussion. The two thousand seventeen third round pick great listen to be in great shape he in like a one on one drill. Some random non padded practice incident where he felt concussion symptoms. He was escort off the field and indeed i was told was diagnosed with a concussion so it's unfortunate for a guy who's worked so hard to be in great shape. You know we had we've seen players who weren't in great shape. Chris chris warren was cut on sunday. Vandross works to put himself in the position. Listen to make this football team and then suffered a setback now. This doesn't likely write him off for making this team but it's obviously not the kind of start to training camp that he he was looking at half so he didn't practice on monday. We have been seeing more of ronald. Ali who definitely will be subject of some attention on hard knocks this year cameras lose themselves from ali. He's the undrafted rookie will he make the story feel good story of the season probably and for good reason because of his path the league thus far but he remained sidelined with an undisclosed injuries so he's missed two straight practices and that of course doesn't help his chances important injury certainly is that two second round cornerback trayvon molin he has a wrist injury do not know the severity but given what he stands to to bring to the raiders this season definitely keep an eye on there again. I have no idea that the severity hopefully minor but he was not participating in football activities activities today that will do it for us here. From napa again you can find the vegas nation podcast on review journal dot com slash podcast on the vegas nation nation app download that today let us know some feedback. Let us know what you think about the show. We always love to hear it and follow us on twitter at greeny at gokhan n._f._l. And i am at heidi fang and we are brought to you by s._d._n. Sports mobile stations casino so thanks again everyone for listening. We'll have more updates for you. As everything unfolds here at i training camp in napa but for now battle here for the vegas nation podcast thank you for listening.

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Trending or Ending + Combine Hype

The Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast

51:02 min | 2 years ago

Trending or Ending + Combine Hype

"Hey foot clan. Big news. There is a very short amount of time left to get in our ultimate draft kit. Bundle. You know, you're going to get the ultimate draft kids the best way to dominate your draft year in and year out. But if you get in right now, not only do you get the best price of the year. But you have a chance to be in our twenty nineteen listener leagues. So check it out go to alternate draft dot com. See all the cool stuff including a new app for this season. You won't regret. It do it. Now ultimate draft get dot com. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from pristine auction dot com studios with your hose, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike, right? Oh, man down. But don't worry. We got this. Yeah. Mike is at home. I hope puking his guts out by whimpering. I mean, if he's not puking he should be here. In fact, I would argue that buckets are portable. He's here. You don't want him here. No. I don't know very ill. Mike is sick J is in the house holding it down. It's a two man show today. Mike, get better. I believe he was live tweeting some of his illness yesterday. He was watching movies on the couch. She's got a fever. His wife is sick at the same time. It's Lord of the flies at the right household. The kids are running the show, and he is watching whatever movie comes on the TV because the remote is just a little too far away. So don't get better, Mike, you're live your best life. If your best life EV today's episode of the fantasy football. Ours is going to be a great one. We have trending are ending on the show today a bunch of news and look today's Thursday, February twenty eight to combine getting rolling. Yeah. I didn't see coming soon combines going on right now. Some of the interviews are starting some of the way or starting this weekend will be you know, the big show. Yeah. Oh, it's gonna be. Quick question has to do with the combine have you also listened Jason have you listened carefully? There's been a school. There's more. We're getting to that time of year. Yeah. You hear it? I hear some high trains out there. I mean, a you're starting to hear all about I think there was three or four reports today in a row because if you ask Matt floor head coach of the Green Bay Packers a question. His full sentence can be three separate hype trains for the various players on his roster. This is the time of year. This is why we say listen in. Now, we'll try to sift through all of the coachspeak separate fiction from reality a little bit. But with the combine coming up there will be a lot of hype related to the scores put up the John Ross esque scores. What do you look for most? When you're watching the NFL combine because I know we're all looking forward to it. You know, what's your favorite thing to look? So before I talk about what you look for. I just want the foot quay into be aware. And I might get some pushback on this. Okay. I I might have people that are just the heatedly wagging their finger at me saying, no, you're wrong. But no, you're wrong. Ooh. The old year wrong trick combine metrics mean so little for the vast majority of every single offensive skill position player there are so few things that actually have any kind of proven statistical impact on. I mean, so you know, you watch your forty time. And you see the guys that are fast. You see the guys that are slow and you overreact. And you know. When you look at historical data models that take into account success in the first few years in the NFL. And what what are the best metrics to us? I'm not saying that there is zero correlation with what happened to the common, obviously, you'd rather have a more athletic guy, then a less athletic guy. But if you just look at who is succeeding in the NFL, and you look at their combine scores, and you go cross the board there there is no magic combine score. That's going to make your guy better. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I mean, if you were going to bring up the different things, I pay attention to sometimes I look to see if I'm going to be surprised by a plethora of negative scores or a player that doesn't meet expectations. I mean, I would have to say it didn't help Ronald Jones last year to not turn in fast, forty time. And now was his main of? Oh, you had a player like Delvin cook a couple years ago really collapsed at the combine and from day one looked like an a difference making back in the NFL. Yeah. But Ronald Jones if you remember last year he didn't turn his best time because he got hurt like mid run. So I mean, but it is Lewis's draft stuff on his did not count. But yeah, I mean, if you look at Dalvand cook and Calvin Ridley right there combine scores were horrific. They were never going to. I mean drafts didn't meet experts raft. Twitter said they cannot succeed because they're combine scores were bad. But then you have player Aaron Donald saquon Barkley who's who who solidified their draft stock or gains late at some of those things. There are outliers where like those players get a hot take to say that it doesn't matter Aaron Donald and saquon let me let me clarify if someone comes out and is pretty much ninety nine th percentile in every single method those guys. Yeah, they matter. Okay. It's very rare. So maybe Mike sickie who is last year's rookie tight end of the dolphins. He was like ninety nine percents across the board. Maybe he'll turn up in the NFL over the next few years. It's they're looking for him common for Titus. But here's what I'm looking for to combine two things one. I love my favorite thing. I think I said this last year in spoiler alert say next year, my favorite thing to watch for is the receiving drills for running backs because you can tell the difference. You can eyeball test. Tell the difference between the the players that are just I mean, you go back and watch Christian McCaffrey. And how he catches the ball. It's thoughtless. It's effortless. It's second nature. He's just running grabs. The ball keeps going. It's there's no there's no mental like break. There's no no I'm trying as no Jordan Howard. I'm trying really hard to catch his ball exam. I'll do something I want to see who can catch it in stride. And who takes that mental break when they grab the ball because everyone's going to catch every ball. But they. Don't catch him the same. So that's what I watch four. But if you do want one metric that has some symbol of correlation correlation to projecting success. It is for running backs. It's not the forty it's the weight adjusted speed score. So it's it is the forty, but when you factor that into how much they weigh. So if you've got a big boy, yeah, you've got a two hundred and twenty five pound guy who's running a four four five. That's really good. Don't just look at the forty time. You got to adjust it for wait. All right tomorrow March I the workout groups running backs offensive lineman special teams Saturday you'll see quarterbacks and wideouts tight ends. It'll be exciting. It'd be fun. Follow us on Twitter at the F F bothers you can follow each of us individually at Jason F F L, Mike is at f- f hitman Grizz is Jay Grizz F F L. Yeah. Mine's Ed Andy Holloway. And we'll all be I'm sure we'll have some things to say as the combine progresses. So fiona. Stay connected with us do that can find us on Instagram that's Instagram dot com slash fantasy footballers. You can subscribe review on apple podcasts. Spotify iheartradio out free on Stitcher premium. We appreciate your support. 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They shout out as the first member of the twenty thousand nine listener league. Check all that out at ultimate draft kit dot com. News and notes from around the league presented by sleeper. All right. We're hitting the rumor mill a little bit today. But we've also got some big news. Let's start with the news out of Denver recently. John Elway said the Broncos are indeed picking up the contract option on wide receiver. Emmanuel sanders. I love that. They're doing it. I'm surprised that they're doing it. You know, you gotta plus thirty wide receiver coming off a torn achilles. That's right. Wasn't a torn achilles. You. You gave me a look like like it might not be. But I'm pretty confident. That's what it was. So I'm happy for Emmanuel Sanders. He tweeted out the coach said it's happening to make it a great one. And look Emmanuel Sanders was dominating last year. Even with case keenum annual Sanders was a fantasy star. So if he can get healthy and prior to the season, you see him running around and that he is back. He'll probably slip and drafts. And I would be I would be fine taking them hurts DeJean Hamilton. Well, that's that's what I was going to bring up and that was my face. It wasn't. It wasn't the injury. He wasn't. Injured tore his achilles. But it was in the same breath. John talked about expecting big things from Portland Sutton got day, Sean Hamilton there. You know, a quarterback situation. That's probably going to be in the hands of Joe flacco. We don't know that for sure, but. Cortlandt Sutton taking a nosedive on a one year glance. No, I don't think. So I mean, Damaris Thomas was great with Emmanuel Sanders still there. I don't think that look if Portland Sutton is good enough to be a true one in the NFL. He's good enough to do that with or without Emmanuel Sanders on the field. I don't think I mean, maybe his his top end comes down a little bit. Maybe he has fewer targets he can receive. But I don't think it DeJean on the other hand who kind of projects more in the Emmanuel Sanders. Type. He's not the big bodied downfield receiver the same way that Cortlandt Sutton is the DeJean takes the hit. All right. Let's go ahead and turn here. This is very interesting news, Jason free agent running back. Latavius Murray's looking for a starting role. Make no mistake about it. He says I want to start. I'm not content being a backup. I am. Also looking for a starting gig in the NFL. So any GM's are out there? Both myself an latavius Murray strongly believe in ourselves that we can be starting running back nut none of this backup nonsense. Now. Look, we have a platform. Right. This is a this is a large podcast. Lot's of people listen to it. But ultimately, we decide you know, what we're gonna talk about this. You know, you talking about wanting to be in the NFL it just naturally lends itself to the fact that you scored a touchdown game winning a game winning touchdown in our flag football game on Tuesday. Some who say that it was this MVP caliber quarterback misery Andrew hollowing through the game winning guy on pass to me. Me. And I've heard me on the street who I it referred to as a boss touchdown. Yeah. Jason went with the very search, Charles rebound strategy. He ramped it up with two hands. And then just you know, nobody could get it. No. I went up. It was a jump ball situation. I grabbed it, and I was laying on the ground with that ball. We had our first victory. We did for I I fix Nana. First game, though. Sh all, right. Hey, here's some hype train other news, new raiders GM. Mike mayo. Who normally? Nope. Normally this time of year. Mike Mayock is talking about draft picks. Now, he is going to be talking about them. But in the context of being the new GM of the raiders, let's talk about the falcons coach. I'm sorry. We're going to have to stay here. Jason. No, no. He said Marcel eightman is Oakland's number one x wide receiver. He's also very excited about running back. Chris Warren, Jason tell us about these these players on Oakland. I am so mad at Chris Warren, the man, and he has done nothing other than be an excellent running back last year in preseason got injured and the raiders clearly liked them. They stash them on. I r the whole state is and they did they wanted him back. And now he's being talked up. Look if you're in a dynasty league, Chris Warren should be should be stashed in every format. I I held onto Chris Warren last year in our dynasty league. Al. Up until about three days ago where instead of dropping does Brian. I actually dropped Chris warn. I made a mistake. I went to rectify that mistake. I was going to go out there and grab Jordan Lasley, which another dynasty owners. If you're out there, Jordan. Lastly, just like Marcel eightman projects to be pretty much the one until free agency the draft happens. That's the Baltimore rookie from last year. But I went to bid and bring Chris Warren Beckham a team, and I was outbid you know, who got him Brooks. I have a pretty good idea. Yeah. Hint stupid and ugly and one of my best friends. All right. Yes. I picked up. Chris Warren, also picked up Marcel eightman, you you yesterday, so pay attention. Look, I've talked to a lot of people talk to Justin Boone on us by guests the other day, he takes the approach that a lot of finish the owners do don't touch an Oakland raider. I mean, you just don't want a piece of that offense. But in my opinion, doesn't matter how good that offense is if you have if you have the guys there, you know, I don't think they're going to spend the money in free agency other people think they will I don't and if Chris Warren and Marcel eight men have opportunities there in Oakland to be coached up eight men came on at the end of the year. Chris Warren has an opportunity to know Marsh, more, Sean Lynch this year. No more, Sean, listen, I say more, Sean, no, more Shen, Lynch and no Doug Martin. So Jared cook in a test the open market in free agency. If Jared cook leaves talk about a void of pass catchers in Oakland. Right. And and the throwers. What will they only have their cars? So they dare dare car had a great year. He did. It's really weird because he didn't at all. But right. And he did, you know his stats say he had a good year. Yeah. He didn't any did. But I don't think anybody out there thought, man. Derek Carr really really had a great year now including his head coach. I don't think it said coach out there. Hey, another dynasty player to pay attention to running back ITO Smith's second year running back falcons coach Dan Quinn says he's going to see a significant increase in offense of looks this season. Tevin Coleman a free agent Edo Smith after by this regime. It may make sense. I mean, this is basically them saying. Yeah, I think Kevin Coleman has gone, right? Right. Instead of saying that they said, yeah. You don't spend it's going to be great. This is also in. This is something that book land should know. This is the time of year where all players are. Great. And they're coaches love them, all and they are fantastic. And they're all going to be the best. Speaking of that college. Shanahan says jerick. Mckinnon went down with the tornado Seattle last preseason on track tracking. Recovery. Expects him to be the lead back in San Francisco. Do we get redemption from jerick McKinnon all the expectations last year were very high? Yeah, we do. I'm I'm I was high on them last year. You unfortunately, got injured. I am right back on the train. I never left. It was it was part. It was that's what they do. They park in a garage. Yeah. Well, what are you? What do you do with the drain yard? They go to write Brooks. What train? All right. Brooks. What do they do with the train in the train yard? Would you say they park it in the train yard? Yeah. I guess. So I don't know. I'm no trained spurt. Agreed. Andrew whitworth. Coming back. Rams offensive tackle. This is big news Todd Gurley coming back for a fourteenth year. Yes. He's thirty seven. But he was great. Yes. He's great. He was great last year graded out. Excellent. Cross the board. This is huge news because he, you know, foundational to that offensive line, everything every piece of credit has been given to Sean McVay, and Sean McVay certainly deserve some. But the office of line if you look at girlies numbers yards before contact things like that a huge part of it was Andrew Whitworth and him coming back is great news for for Todd Gurley. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely less need, Sean McVay, you wanna give him credit for adding Andrew Whitworth. You can do that. He's a great player. And then Ian Rapoport talked about the fact that Bengals our shopping third year wide receiver John Ross combine darling. Their director of player personnel said it was quote fake news. This. Neither of those reports. Are we love John Ross, and we can't wait to make them a part of our offense. So based on what you said with every coach loving all their players right now. Is John if you're a dynasty owner of John Ross first of all apologies. I'm sorry. You've probably gone through a box of Kleenex by now last year. You know, he scored seven touchdowns on like seven passes for like seven yards. But Ross hasn't been what they expected him to be dealt with injuries back in college deals with them. Now Tyler Boyd AJ green. Look is Ross a better. Would you be happier with him being moved? Or would you be? I'd be much happier. Being moved even with Zach Taylor there in look if he stays I think John Ross has a better twenty nineteen then he had a in two thousand eighteen you know, I think he he continues to progress. I think the offense gets better. But I I mean, they're they're not in love with them. They probably were shopping them in the reason that they say it's fake news is because once it comes out that they're chopping him. They don't have that. They're not going to get value ruins gonna offer nothing. So. I do hope he moves because if another team is giving up value, then they want him as part of their team. You know, let's say John Ross goes to Tampa Bay becomes Sean Jackson replacement. You know, the burner and with Bruce Arians. I I would love that. Because I do think John Ross is actually a talented wide receiver his his deep catch rate. He had the highest percentage of catchable targets. Well, if he kept his touchdown rate up last year they caught one hundred passes he'd be up in the thirty five touchdown range. That's okay. But look John Ross, here's the here's the good news. He is still just twenty four years old, and he is a burner, and if he can get it turned around he will change he'll take the top off a defense, Philadelphia that could be a destination. Would you be willing to target Jon Rauch in dynasty on the cheap? Or do. You just are you off? I'm off. He he can he's firmly in the I dunno. Devante Parker category of if he does well for. Somebody else than he does. Well for somebody else. I don't want to target him. He's he's not been good. Did you did you mention they have in civil quote about it? I I did not he he's caught thirty five percent of his targets that is atrocious. He's dropped twelve percent of his targets also atrocious. But also eight percent of his targets have been picked off that is trophies. Yeah. But he's averaging three point five yards per target. Which is the tros. Yeah. By the way, lots of dynasty chatter today. Make sure you switch your dynasty league to sleeper. Download the sleeper app today. Move your lineup over to a modern platform. Let's get to the main event. Trending or ending. Jay Grizz nothing to say. No, no. All right. Hey made out of cardboard. Yeah. Aaron Jones, let's start here. Trending or ending. Let's have some debate discussion Aaron Jones can he be an Rb one in fantasy for twenty nine teen last year one hundred thirty three rushing attempts average five point five per carry that in the league leader with a minimum of one hundred and thirty attempts the year before guess what five point five. Jerry. Too many five's not to hit that drop. Look he was the Rb nine in points per game from weeks ten through sixteen. That's a good span. Rb thirteen from weeks four through fourteen. Miss the final two games of the year placed on I are what can fantasy owners get from Aaron Jones. Are we are we setting yourself up for a value pick that turns into a top twelve top fifteen guy or for heartache due to a committee situation. Look I've already weighing on this show. I last season was probably the most anti Aaron Jones from just a cost to get them and belief of McCarthy, and whether he would actually get enough volume to succeed, and you had to wait like you said until what week ten before anything mattered with Aaron Jones if you remember he was suspended. Now, I believe that Aaron Jones will have a successful fantasy season in two thousand nineteen is that Rb one. I think that's like that. I think he's got the ceiling for it. But I I would put him more in the. You know, top twenty running backs a worthy draft pick. I don't think he's going to especially with news coming out. Right. Like Matt leflore said that running back is one of the more violent positions, and you need to take an Rb approach. Right. That's bad news. Fantasy owners hate hearing that he wants to do a split same way. He did with. Dion Lewis and Derrick Henry and the same way, you know, he was part of the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen Atlanta Falcons. And so he has that roadmap with devante Freeman. Kevin Coleman blot. The split is fine. If the predominant running back in that split is getting you know, fifteen carries that because if you look back to the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen seasons with devante Freeman devante Freeman had seven games each year with fifteen or more carries. So he was fogging in an Rb BC. He was I believe the running back one one of those years. I if you look even last year with met leflore with Dion Lewis Derrick Henry, they combined for nine games with fifteen or more touches last season. Aaron Jones only had three I think the thing you want to see from Atla floor is not we don't have delusions. Of in NFL where every team has one guy. And they're the only one that touches the ball. But you wanna see logical committee usage, you you. You were frustrated so many times last year when Aaron Jones was carving up a defense, but then Jamal Williams found himself onto the field for important drives key situations. And you almost felt that frustration through Aaron Rodgers one of the things that I put in the in the positive column for Aaron Jones is the endorsement and confidence that Aaron Rodgers is shown in Aaron Jones. But there is a risk. There is a risk there because Jamal Williams is a competent running back. Let me ask you this. Where do you think the Packers last season? It's eighteen ranked for total rushing attempt do f-. Oof. I have no idea. So let me guess I'm guessing they ranked twenty fifth are they dead last. They're dead last. So whatever you said if it wasn't thirty two the answer, and I was wrong. Yeah. That was a franchise. Low four Green Bay's rushing attack as far as total rushing attempts by running backs. The they've got nowhere to go but up and now they've got a you know, an office coordinator coming in with a history of last year with Tennessee titans. They were number nine in rushing attempts. So I, but it took them a while to figure out the Derrick Henry need of the rock Mawr too. I don't like the question Brooks. I don't like can he be an Rb one. That is too open ended. Of course, he can we've seen it will Aaron Jones b and Rb one and twenty nineteen will that trend continued Jason how do you weigh in today? I in with the no I think he'll be an RV to I weigh in with. No, I think it'll be an Rb to. But I actually believe Aaron Jones will be a good fantasy pick because I don't think he'll be drafted anywhere near the top twelve. All right. Number two trending or ending this one kind of kind of hurts is out Sean Jeffrey a wide receiver three four fantasy now points per game. Wow. Brooks these are some numbers. He has been the last year the wide receiver twenty-five in points per game the year before twenty one year before that thirty five so let's three consecutive years outside the top twenty. He was he had three straight years inside the top thirteen back in twenty thirteen twenty fourteen twenty fifteen do we need to adjust our expectations frowns on Jeffrey. Or will Carson Wentz lift him up? No. I mean, I it depends on what your expectation is. But he is not a guaranteed wide receiver to or better. There's no way. I mean last year when we were going into the draft. One of our bust alerts was the combo of Carson Wentz and Alcyone Jeffrey because you had Carson Wentz throwing an outlandish rate of touchdowns. And we said, okay, that's gonna regret even if he has a really good year that's gonna regress alshon Jeffery made his hey scoring touchdowns. So if that regresses from Sean, Jeffrey, he's not a, you know, he's not usually the hundred catch thirteen hundred yard type of receiver at all. He certainly doesn't seem like that right now. So it's all about the touchdown. And I think they bring in another wide receiver this off season. Think Carson Wentz does rebound has. Good year. But the expectation for me is. Yeah. Wide receiver twenty-five is probably the highest. I would draft him. I believe that Al Sean is a wide receiver to not a wide receiver three. So if I said trending or ending I think this trend of finishing outside the top twenty ends this year. I think he's a top. I think he his right around wide receiver seventeen eighteen and the thing that people don't realize because off seasons about perspective. And perception in the news in the aura around a player. Look at hasn't been positive for Carson Wentz. Nick foles every year. They rally around him. Carson Wentz injured again. News about locker room issues. But what are what are the facts about? Carson wentz. Here's the facts career high end completion percentage by a wide margin last year. Still a great touchdown to interception ratio. Three two one last year. He had a better passer rating than his MVP season. Carson wins is the guy is a meteorologist is gone. It's very good quarterback. So do I think that alshon Jeffery has top ten potential again. No, I don't think those days are long gone. But I do know that Carson Wentz and alshon Jeffery have a connection. And I think that that's good enough to be inside that top twenty. That's that's why Lee that's fair. I mean, the logic is sound we will just agree to disagree. I'll say this. If they cut Nelson egg, Laura and don't bring someone in. Then a hill certainly be higher my rankings because he'll have to be he'll still be the most tenure. But I think that they are going to bring in someone that's an impact receiver. All right. Number three is Matt Ryan. Eight top five fantasy quarterback trending or ending last year. He was the QB to Jason the Cuba too. I know I want a championship on his back. You remember that? I took that away from you. Yeah. In he still complaining about you climbing up there. Okay. He's not a fan. He was also the number two quarterback two years ago in two thousand sixteen he was that. And he's he's been in the top ten four other years, but he did have you know, based on the actual trend has bounced in and out of the top ten his last four straight years straight year end in two thousand twelve he was the number seven great topic quarterback. Then he drops down to fifteen next year. He's back up to number seven. Then it drops the nineteen next year who he's up to number two next year down to fifteen this past year up to number two again. So I used on the heck in Rin. Yes. Fifteen quarterback fifteen mount roof that way. Well, that'd be bad. That would be bad for all jokes aside. I believe he's a much much closer to quarterback fifteen than he has quarterback. Really? I do now urine ending. I am an ending. I love the wep the additional weapon of Calvin Ridley for him. He is. Always been as good as his wide receivers. Are you know, some some quarterbacks make their water Seaver core better? He doesn't the wide receiver core makes him better. But last year, I think the absence of devante Freeman re just destroyed their rushing game. They had the fewest number of rushing attempts that they've had in the last five years they had to figure it out through the air. Also if you remember at the beginning of the season when they were a Super Bowl contending team. And then they lost their whole defense. Like all of their superstar defender defensive players went down to season ending injuries and their defense dunk. Their defense is going to be a lot better this year. They're not going to need to be in shootouts the way they were last year. I think this I think the actual trend of the Goodyear bad year. Good you're bad, you're continues. And Matt Ryan has a bad year. Well, they that's. That's that goes beyond the top five fantasy quarterback question. Do you think he actually has a down year? I think some people look at Julio Calvin Ridley, and they think new keep going Hooper. But I think that's an interesting argument. I guess I tend to lean outside the top five and there'll be other guys emerging Carson Wentz. Or mount Ryan who do you want next year? Carson wentz. Yes. Riley and two. I mean, it's funny. I've got those are my two quarterbacks in dynasty and literally today totally unrelated to this. I just decided to set my lineup because why not it's all you're ready to go. It's ready to go wins day, February twenty seven Chris Warren in let mean, you know, you shut your stupid. Yeah. You know, what put him in don't if I'm in your starting lineup. She not scared. You wanna trade me? But but I gotta Andrews for Chris Warren. No. But I will we'll talk. You're you're thinking about you know, the two or three is what you need you trade me, the two or three all trade you Mark Andrews unique tight in. I want the two or three. But I put Carson Wentz in my starting lineup over Matt Ryan just to say, look, he's my this is number one statement thing. Yes. I send a message to Mattie ice say, look, I don't believe in you this year. I think Carson Wentz going to be fine. Step stepping forgot yet. Carson Wentz that stinks. All right. Next one trending. You're ending is Robert woods a top twelve wide receiver yet again in twenty nineteen. Look, it has been in an ascension a large one for Robert woods going back to his buffalo days when he finished outside the top sixty at the position then his first year in Los Angeles. He was wide receiver thirty one then last year. Hello, Robert woods wide receiver. Tin. Is he a top twelve guy? No, no. He's not. That's where I that's where I weigh in Jason's. He is. Yes, he is. Yes. He is woods is one of those perennially disrespected guys got off to to slow of a start for his career. So you just don't believe it very Doug Baldwin esque. Right. Doug baldwin. You saw him for five or six I like to calm. Yeah. That makes sense. He's just like we know what he is. He's not he's not a stud fantasy player. He got a lot of touchdowns got lucky. No. He's a great wide receiver, and Robert woods has always pass the eye test. He is actually a great wide receiver. Now. He's one of the best offenses in the league. You look at just about any week rains last year, and you go. Wow. He was good in the beginning of the year. Okay. He was real salt in the middle. Who's really going to end? This wasn't like Cooper Cup goes down. And now Robert woods is relevant. Rubber woods was great. So I'm going to say Robert woods is the top twelve wide receiver. Now win my draft rankings are done in I stat every single player out. I'll be. Surprised if he finishes because there's so many great riders. I'll be surprised if he ranks in that top twelve but I view him as a wide receiver one in fancy not certainly not a tier one guy. But a guy where wherever wherever he is drafted next year. I I already know it's going to be too low. Well, I looked the concerns the narrative out there is going to be Cooper Cup returns last year. He ran fifty one percent. This is Robert woods. Ran fifty one percent of his routes in the slot. The year before in Los Angeles only fourteen percent of his routes in the slot. Cooper cup. Does make a difference. You also wonder about an ascending talent jailed Everett is at another piece of the offense that Sean McVay takes advantage of. I just think I think you saw the ceiling last year eighty six twelve nineteen and six. I think he's I don't know if he can get back to that. Here's an interesting statistic for everyone out there who's going to totally agree with that narrative. And I think that you know, we majority probably will the absolute which is to your point that he will always be drafted below where you believe he belong eighty five percent of people out there. We'll think well Cooper couple come back. He's he's not the guy we saw. Well, you had eight games with Cooper Cup. You had eight games without Cooper Cup. Which one do you think he scored more fantasy points in because it was with goober Cup? He scored two more minutes points a game seventeen point seven four PR versus fifteen point four six with Kubrick up. Yeah. I mean, they were on fire. I love Robert would you do and we try guy handed it. It's ironic because I mean, I I loved robber woods in buffalo. Yeah. Yeah. No back. There was a time when buffalo heads Sammy Watkins Robert woods in Markey's. Good went on the same roster and HOGAN might have been there one year with all three of 'em people still thought tyrod Taylor was a good quarterback blame Rex Ryan. I blame. Sure, I'm fine. Yeah. I tonight. Tyrod Taylor is an interesting free Janet it by the way, he's a great fantasy quarter. Very interesting. Like there's a world retire Taylor. Ends up in Jacksonville. Not Nick foles. That's what I believe. Absolutely. All right. This is another great question. Here will Chris Carson see twenty plus touches a game because he did it over the last four weeks of last season and seven times during the year. He had more than twenty touches Chris Carson was a work horse twenty to twenty eight twenty seven twenty. That's how I finished the year. They had the second fewest rushing rushing attempts to years ago to having the most rushing attempts last year. That's the the way it's going to continue for them. They were successful. They won their last five games. Chris Carson was a monster. So does he continue to see twenty plus touches game Jason lending or indie? No, I don't. I don't think he does. Will he be close? I mean, I'm gonna probably stat them out for about two hundred eighty eight touches on a sixteen game year, which a lot of touch. That's a lie. Lot of touches but four hundred and fifty one is what the team here. Yeah. That would well, and that's probably including Russell Wilson all his scrambles. So that would be about eighteen a game. I which says I think Chris Carson's going to get a lot of work. But I don't believe he's going to be a twenty plus touch guy. I think Rashad penny gets more involved, you know, year to forget he broke his hand early in the season in the training. Camp. Miss a preseason games was little out of shape, but later in the year Rashad penny looked good now. Mike davis. I guess I was gonna say probably gone. That's no foregone conclusion. He might be back. But he is an unreal for. Yeah. I think you over emphasize. My days is usage, though. I know I know that they use them last year. But even if he's back penny the first round draft capital, and how you saw pennies at the end of the year. I'm just less concerned than you are about my Davis about a guy that I any guy that can just be reassigned for pennies on the dollar, which is what the case is going to be for them. I just don't worry about him. Yeah. I mean, the only reason I worried about Mike Davis is just simply touches for respond penny. It's the passing work right yet. Thirty four receptions, he was often used as the pass catching back. We're shot penny should do that. Because he has the capability, but he also had one hundred twelve rushing attempts. So it was just a good enough number two. Where those going away have to be taken up by someone more than like little if Mike Davis leaves are not going to not sign another back, sir, sir. So I think we both. I agree. I I don't think twenty plus a game is going to be in the realm of possibility, but there'll be three hundred twenty carries on the season. And also one thing to keep in mind. Chris cars does not have a great track record of health. And when you watch him play you understand why? Because he runs. Like a man with no fear of pain or linebackers. Have you seen his shoulder? That's why he runs that way to these. He's a a he's a laboratory creation one could call him a murder. Yes. Yes. Lot still even these superstar NFL players three hundred carries a season. That's tough. Yeah. All right. Here's one that. I want to focus on we'll Derrick Henry fifteen plus res- rushing attempts per game in the upcoming year. Because look twenty sixteenth seven point three a game 2017 eleven again last year thirteen point four game. But over the last part of the season, he was an absolute monster. And the thing that's should surprise fantasy owners about Derrick Henry is it wasn't just a volume situation. Look, you know, it was he had the monster game the super game. But look dare can we had success last year seeing eight plus men in the box forty four percent of the time. That's more than anybody in football. He received the ball around the goal line. Second the second most of anybody in football. He actually had pro football focus rushing metrics that put him in the upper echelon of performance last year as a runner, so it wasn't just volume. That's what I wanna bring up. And so it's like do we have to just accept the fact that Derek Henry is more valuable than we ever thought? He would be. Yeah, we really really do if I were to. I mean, the the the the over under here. Fifteen carries a game that is way too low. This is an easy. Absolutely. Yes. He will average more than fifteen touches. Fifteen carries a game during the final four games, and including you know, into the playoffs book there Kimmy took over after his breakout game. They said what are we doing? We need. We need to give this guy. The ball more. He to the tune of twenty one point eight carries a game a sixteen game pays of three hundred and forty eight. If you'd asked me will Derek get twenty carries a game. That's right around where I think he I think he will receive about twenty carries a game. So I think cross the fifteen carry count. And shame on me if I'm wrong because they're Akinori has we've we've got enough track record to say he has not been great in the NFL. Right. But I think they figured it out at the end of the year. They said this is a guy that if we give him twelve carries a game. He's not doing to the defense. What his best quality is. He's not wearing these guys down saying, hey tackle. This mountain won the confidence of knowing you're going to get the ball the confidence of knowing you're the guy. I mean that makes a huge difference on the way a person runs if he for years he had to run out there and spell somebody. And then they say Derrick Henry. You're a bruiser go make a play on a single one off. And then and then he runs into the back of I mean, he two years ago. He failed to convert a lot of fourth downs. Because it's difficult to get into a rhythm is a rhythm monster. Yeah. I think that they will give him the ball a lot. And I I will probably draft him which. Oh, you wish. Whisper me pray for me. If I drive Derrick Henry, I wanna be so scared because he's been so bad. But I believe in them. I got to change your you. Gotta change your tune. That's the thing is even after his breakout game last year. I didn't I didn't pivot quick enough. I didn't buy in quick enough. Because I thought I had seen enough failure. But maybe figured it out. Yeah, they followed that up with a thirty three carry game. Yeah. Saying all right. Mike Williams, double digit TD's again, trending or ending. He had what eleven last year Brooks. Yeah. I think so I think one on the ground ten through the air something like that. Mike williams. I see a double digit tight end fluke. I kinda wanna red zone months. I wanna take the ending because I feel like you're going to take the trending because you were you one of your predictions this past year was at he'd have double digit touchdowns and it came true. But I think you have to you have to say it's going to keep happening. This was what he was brought in for he's that type of a prototypical monster of a man if you're in the red zone. Why not throw it to that? Dude. Now dare Kinley or Andre Henry hunter Henry maybe he comes in and eats a few touchdowns near the goal line. Dude. This is Dutch down I'm going to nominal. But you're you're also probably losing tyrel Williams to free agency. So I I mean, I don't know why you would expect Mike Williams to to regret. No. I think he has. I think he has more upward movement. Possible. Filbert had a one hundred thirty one point six quarterback rating when targeting Mike Williams, he has a huge catch Radi radius. Look eleventh best contested catch rate amongst wide receivers. He is a playmaker. And I I love him. I think he's a great player. There was a world where I was looking at. This might sound crazy but the is a dynasty by sell Canada. I I was looking real hard Akina now trying to figure out what I think about keen anals next few years because you talk about hunter Henry coming back. I look at him as yeah, you can make an argument that he's a red zone threat to Mike Williams. I'm not concerned about that. I think he's he's somebody who's going to eat up the middle of the field the way that Keenan Allen has has been prone to do as well. I don't think Allen is disappearing by any stretch don't overeat into what I'm saying. But I'm wondering in a dynasty lead. You would you rather have Kunal today, then Mike Williams? Yeah. I think you say, yes. You have to say, yes. Yeah. I've have to. But I think Mike Williams has a lot of upward movement left in. And I I agree with that. I'm not worried at all about Keenan Allen. I think you now and is still the primary guy. He's still going to get his touchdowns. A clearly the targets the receptions between the twenties work. So I I love both of these guys. I I don't think Mike Williams hurts Keenan all right? Let's close it out with this one is big been they'd been Rothlisberger. Last year's quarterback. Three is the top five quarterback in twenty nineteen Neo p- is he a top ten quarterback in two thousand nineteen. I'm gonna say, no if you say, no, what does that mean for juju? If if doodoo doesn't have a top ten quarterback that's the same play. Oh, he's fine the jujubes fine. Let me ask you this in two thousand sixteen who was the quarterback or the wide receiver one. In two thousand sixteen twenty sixteen Antonio Brown. Probably Antonio Brown. What about in two thousand fifteen Brown? Yeah. That's when Big Ben Rothlisberger was quarterback eighteen quarterback. Twenty one valid argument. I'm not worried about look when you lose Antonio Brown. It's will have affected it will have effects on every other player on the roster. And you know, look this was big bins best year for fancy finish ever. And I don't think that it's because of any other reason than the fact that you have Antonio brand and juju show up you have pretty much your best core at their own peaks ever, and it's going the opposite direction now. So now data for just one year. I mean, I was really high on Big Ben this past season as a fantasy player we had splaine yourself episodes on on my love for him. And and that's that's gone now. Now, if I will say this if Antonio Brown is back. Sure, he's he'll definitely be top ten. There was a little bit of extra news this morning. Jack Doyle tied in for the colts gender went off season hip surgery. So he will be sidelined until training camp. He's probably gonna miss all of OTA's. He's probably going to miss all mini camp. You know, he missed a ton of time in the regular season last year. He ended up on injured. Reserve late in the season. I look it's it's concerning. We route. Yeah. Bro. Doyle is twenty nine. I'm so happy that Eric Brown finally became a thing because I was a real believer. And he kept letting you down. But I think Eric Abraham might be thing again because look titans just why he's trained me Mark Andrews, you don't need you don't need them. Historically titans. Take several years before they become relevant. It's very common. Very come look at Greg Olsen for it to be the second contract is when a titan actually becomes a really relevant piece. Well, this is his second contract. Now. He's on a great offense. He's twenty five you feel like he's thirty Bill will during because you feel with Winnie Bryan came onto the scene in Doyle came onto the scene. You feel like dwells younger Doyle's twenty nine with hip injuries. Right. Argue Brian is twenty-five somehow it never ages. Right. No. It's fantastic. Yeah. I mean that trending or ending Eric Hebron, Tom. I'm going trending. I believe in Turkey. Brian. I do I mean, I always have. And I think he's a very easy guy too. Target to say late bloomer? He's going to regress because his touchdown pace was ridiculous. But I actually believe even if even if his touchdown pace regresses, which I would I would say fair, right. His production for fantasy in the offense. In a great offense is going to be fine. He's going to be a top five tight in. Yeah. I mean, the argument against him would be a few things one adding another pass catching piece in the wide receiver game. They have t y Hilton and a bunch of scrubs misfits. Yeah. Zach PASCAL and. You know last year, it was Dontrelle Inman, and and there were a handful. But if they add another powerful wide receiver piece, and then you know, can Andrew lucked throw forty touchdowns again. Of course, he can. But he's probably a candidate to lose four or five of his touchdowns this year. He threw thirty nine if Marla MAC it's in the end zone. A handful more times nineteen Hines out of the backfield. There's a world where like you said. I think the odds are that. E bronze touchdown told us go down. But maybe maybe he's a little more consistent than he was last year. That would be the hope that he's more involved than a week to week basis. Not just this three touchdowns here. Three touchdowns there. And then a goose ache. That's what hurt last year. Yeah. It's hard for any tighted to be consistent for fantasy unless they're one hundred and fifty target guy. Like a Zakar. It's tramps Kelsey. Yeah. No doubt. All right. As we close it out. We got the pristine deal of the day. Pristine auction dot com. Let them know the footballer since you when you sign up and bid because today, this one's ridiculous. Well, which one there to we're throwing to in the real quick, I'm gonna go with the one that was just talked about this is the less ridiculous still ridiculous one hill. And we were just talking about him signed, Indianapolis, Colts jersey PSA. Certify authentic signature forty seven dollars yesterday yesterday, forty seven dollars hang on your wall, forty seven bucks. It's unbelievable. And then if you want some old school gear, they got they got everything is crazy to Jerry Rice signed forty Niners logo football, Beckett certified Beckett witnessed sixty five dollars and fifty two cents. Now is this a Jerry Rice with a G is this now, this is the real, Jerry? This is the this is the hall of Famer best wide receiver wall time sixty five dollars for a sign logo football. And this is the thing about auctions on pristine action. You can get them at the price that they're at right? You don't mean it's not like they're just listed for one hundred fifty bucks. If you're the one on there, and you grab it. We bid on stuff all the time every day because it's like, whatever I'm willing to spend thirty bucks on this. I'm willing to spend fifty I'm willing to spend whatever it doesn't cost you anything unless you win. And then if you win you go, I what I stole this thing. All right. Thanks to pristine auction for sporting the show. Thanks to you for listening. Mike. Will be back early next week probably be back for the foot cast tomorrow ver joined the foot dot com. Probably so take care. Enjoy the combine goodbye. Thank you. For listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on join the foot dot com and follow us on Twitter at the F F ballers.

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Holder's Handful: Injury Report, Recapping Raiders News of the Week, Preview of 49ers Game

Silver & Black Pride

13:58 min | 3 weeks ago

Holder's Handful: Injury Report, Recapping Raiders News of the Week, Preview of 49ers Game

"What's up raider. Nation met holder from silver and black pride here to bring you another episode holders handful on this fine friday. Hopefully you guys have had a chance. Check out tape. Don't lie and bills podcast throughout the week. But if you haven't make sure you check it out right after this today. I'm going to give you guys some injury. Updates recap in the biggest news. Stories of the week and sprinkling in a little preview of sunday's game against the san francisco forty niners with that. Let's get to. It will start things off with a few injury news and unfortunately there's not a lot of good news report as a handful of guys went down and very few returned. I mentioned this last week. But richie incognito suffered a leg injury and the final joint practice against the rams other than knowing. It's a cash rain. We still don't know the severity of the injury. But the athletics. Sean reid reported that incognito missed all week. The veteran likely wouldn't be playing this sunday even if he was healthy. So it's not terribly concerned at the moment but incognito calf is certainly something to keep an eye on as we inch closer to the regular season during his press conference after the game in la head. Coach jon gruden so the team hosts the guards ready to go week. One against the ravens quarterback qissan nixon exit the game against the rams early and was held out of practice this week. There haven't been many updates on knee injury so we don't know many specifics about the injury including the severity of it. I'd imagine nixon is comfortably on the right side of the roster bubble as a key contributor on special teams and should factor into the cornerback rotation this season so i don't think he necessarily needs to play on sunday. If the three year veteran is held held out of the game look for isaiah. Johnson who recently returned from an entry david ornette and or amick roberson to step up and take advantage the extra reps. I mentioned last week that it was a rough one for the raiders linebackers. And unfortunately this week. It didn't get any better nik. Witkowski missed practice again this week and there have been little to no updates on his. What's bothering him. In fact discussing the injury sue as linebackers during a press conference this week gruden even said that he's not going to give out any injury updates until he absolutely has to. The good news is the coach. Did seem somewhat confident. That could cousy will. Back in time for the monday night season-opener similar incognito nick moral also went down and practice in los angeles. The people in attendance made it seem like morals injury serious and gruden while still not giving complete info reinforced with everyone was saying the coach said that moral will be out for quote unquote. Awhile and there's injury was more serious than fell linebacker. Jason whites grew. Did say that white will also be out for a while. But to be honest this might be the best of a worst case scenario for white for those missed it the. Unlv product injured his knee against the rams and it looked like he was in a lot of pain as he got carted off the field. Personally i was worried that he tours. Aco but the raiders didn't put him on injured reserve. So that's a good sign. That white should return to the field. Soon in the meantime look for Linebackers tanner muse defined diablo. Max richardson to take advantage of the extra apps. Running back jalen rashard sill out and definitely with a foot injury so obviously he missed practice all week. Defensive and cleveland barrel and guard denzel. Good didn't practice this week though. No information was shared about their injuries. If an update comes on either of those two we to let you guys know about it moving onto the news of the week we'll start things off with a few roster transactions to get down to eighty players the raiders punter corless weightman park guard. Parker anger cornerback russell. Douglas wide receiver marcel. Eightman linebacker daringly and defensive. Tackle darius stills weightman anger come as no surprise since las vegas already has a good punter in aj cool and have plenty of depth on the interior of the offensive line. Douglas was a bit of a surprise since he's a veteran. Cornerback in the silver and black or rather inexperienced at the position but as he missed a few tackles during the game. The athletics victoria for tweeted. That douglas has been having a rough camp. Also it's been a few years since the five year pro has been very good though he did get picked up by the houston texans already after putting together. A nice performance in la was a bit of a shocker. To see eight and get let go granted. His game against the seahawks wasn't pretty. And i even said that i think is days later renumbered but the organization was probably doing a favor by cutting him sooner rather than later as eight minutes entering its fourth season in the nfl and was a long shot to make the final roster now he gets a chance to explore the open market a little bit early and potentially see if things work out somewhere else as for lee he was one of the many injured linebackers on the rosser. And we'll be reaching an injury settlement with the organization to be honest. I think this will likely mark the end of his career. And if it doesn't. I be surprised if he sticks around in the league. Much longer stills with another injured player who got the axe this week and this one is probably the most disappointing of the bunch a lot of people including myself thought he was a steel as an undrafted free agent signing but unfortunately he couldn't say healthy and i think we all know how much patience jon gruden has for. That still did clear waivers and was placed on the injured reserve so his tenure with the raiders on hold but far from over. Las vegas did make a few of the roster this week as well the i was resigning undrafted free agent dairy hamilton on tuesday. Hamilton started training camp in vegas on the non football illness list before getting released on august. Six but the raiders are in desperate need of a fourth tackle so the do product has a second life a decent chance at landing spot on the final roster or practice squad not a bad situation seeing as he didn't have an nfl home the last couple of weeks. Finally the team traded with the carolina panthers for linebacker denzel perryman in corresponding move cut to kuni. Who was only in the building for about a week. Th- raiders gave up six round pick and got back seventh in addition to payment from the panthers. That's an excellent trae for the silver and black who are in desperate need for his linebacker and only needed to swap a couple eight round picks and make it happen. Pyramid does have a long history history of zone. But las vegas needed somebody for the short term in the former. Charger has some familiarity with gus. Bradley system having played under him for the past. Four seasons and other non-roster related news legendary raiders wide receiver cliff. France was named to the pro football hall of fame. Senior committee nominee. That means the committee will vote on branches hall of fame candidacy next february. And if he gets at least eighty percent of their votes he's in being named the senior committee. Nominee also means branch will not be going against any other competition and traditionally the senior committee nominee gets voted in. And that's how. Ken stabler was elected back in two thousand sixteen. So that's good news for the branch family and raider fans including myself that have been clamoring for the og of speed receivers to should be in the hall of fame. Branch was a three time super bowl. Champion who put together several memorable postseason moments in the silver and black. It's taken way too long. But it sounds like brom bus will finally have a place to say in canton. Ohio victory for dropped a story on monday morning. That certainly had raiders twitter winning wild according to one a taper sources gruden and company reached out the chicago bears about potentially trading for khalil. Mack this offseason for anyone who's had their head buried in the sand over the last few years. The coach infamously traded the pass. Rusher for a couple first round picks. That would eventually turn into running back. Josh jacobs and cornerback damodar net. It was no secret that las vegas was looking for a pass rusher this off season and according to taper grew new. The bears were looking for some salary. Cap beliefs so. He picked up the phone and gave ryan pace and matinee call. Obviously gruden's offer was to climb in the team went on to sign janaka gakuen free agency instead. I don't if this happened. Especially since it's coming from fiqh but i do think this is probably not as big of a deal. That seems what i imagine happened was not much more than a single phone call just to do some research and see if the bears would budge and then when they didn't that was the end of it one thing that did strike me on significance. That tayfur pointed out. Is that the fact that gruden was willing to swallow his pride and potentially face immediate backlash for trading for mac back and it goes to show just how much the coach doesn't care about his reputation and just wants to make the playoffs. One of the cygnus facing gruden since his return to the raiders is that he has too big of an ego so it was a good sign to see that. He's willing to put that aside and do what's best for the team. It's become an annual offseason tradition. Where the nfl network releases. The list of the league's top. One hundred players voted on by the players. And a couple of raiders made the cut this year running back. Josh jacobs the team's first appearance on the list. Coming in at number sixty eight. He surpassed a few notable names like saints wide receiver. Michael thomas and vikings linebacker kendricks while also finishing just behind linebacker k. J. right and cardinals defensive end. Jj watt who sixty seventh and sixty six respectively on darren waller with the other raiders to make the cut landing on the thirty fifth spot on the list while it beat out forty nine or side. End towards kittle. Who came in at number fifty and waller currently is the highest rank tight end on however the nfl network is releasing the top. Ten on saturday and travis chelsea's name has yet to be called so while there will likely finish this. The second highest ranked player at his position atop thirty five ranking and being ranked the second best player at your position is certainly nothing to scoff at though and hopefully he'll we moving up the list and eventually take over that number one spot quarterback derek carr and defensive ends janaka kakuei. Max crosby are probably the three. Most notable raiders not make the top one hundred this year raiders digital team reported levi edwards. Recently got to sit down and get to know rookie right. Tackle alex leatherwood edwards the peeled back the curtain on leatherwood revealed that the rookie likes to read as a little bit nerdy and prefers to be a quiet leader with an introverted personality. We linked article in one of our civil mining species pieces this week. And it's up. Now on the raiders team website. When they get a chance you should definitely give read to get to know a little bit more about the man underneath the helmet. All right time for my favorite part of the show. A little preview of the game against the san francisco forty niners on sunday earlier this week. Forty niners head coach. Kyle shanahan indicated that a lot of the starters will see some action against the raiders. That's been pretty consistent for san francisco this month. Seeing starting quarterback for now jimmy garoppolo has played in the teams other. Two preseason contests. It's also the exact opposite strategy. Las vegas us in fact offensive coordinator. Greg olsen even said this week that. There's a high risk and low reward to playing your top quarterbacks in the preseason and yes that's quarterbacks plural which tells me renegade get four more quarters nathan peterman on sunday now. I'll do the same thing as last week and give you guys five players. I have my eye on this weekend. And i'll be in the press box this week. Tweeting out any updates. The first player will be watching. This cornerback amick robertson. Robertson's played well so far. He's only allowed twenty receiving yards and a passer rating of eighty six point one when targeted any boasts impressive. Eighty point nine overall. Pf grade miss tackles. Were an issue for him last year but so far in the preseason he's zero and actually ranks tied for third among cornerbacks with three defensive stocks and coverage grew mentioned robertson. Looks more comfortable on the outside. This press conference this week stating as outside corner. You can see what he is. You see the skill set that he has. He's played better. He's got more confidence not that. It can't be a nickel. Because he's worked in there but he's clearly at home on the outside now. Robinson will be tested this week as he's going against rookie trae lance who has a canon for an arm and has a special connection with wide receiver. Trent sherfield those two combined for an eighty are touchdown in the first preseason game and a forty one yard bomb and game two. So i'm sure they're going to be looking to connect on a few more bombs this sunday and hopefully robertson's ready and got his pf flyers on. Because he's going to have to run moving on a number two and that's going to be linebacker. tam us. I've already mentioned how the raiders are banged up at the linebacker and that means museum to step up because the team's probably going to be relying on him early. This season gruden mentioned how big muses role given all the injuries and how valuable these reps artemis in a press conference stating. He's playing well. He's playing auto. He's playing two or three positions and he's a very good special teams player and he needs to play. He didn't play at all last year. He hasn't really been a linebacker for more than six months. So this is good for him. Hopefully it's another good experience against a great offense of football team on sunday muse has looked better and more comfortable playing linebacker. The more reps. He's gotten one thing i've noticed is that he's stronger at the point of attack and doing a lot better at getting off blocks however he'll be tested this week against kyle. Shanahan vaunted outside zone rushing attack as gruden pointed out and that system can also put a lot of stress on linebackers with a heavy dose of play action. sticking within the raiders. Linebackers corpse to my diablo is another player. I'm going to be watching this week. And it's a lot of the same reasons. As muse the raiders linebackers down diablo's returning from an injury on his own and says newer position for them as he only played linebacker about twenty five percent of the time as a junior and senior at virginia tech. Not only will. Diablo be facing shanahan scheme. But also be mixing up with charlie warner known as who's known for his run blocking skills the second year tight and currently has the highest. Pf run blocking grade. Eighty seven point one at the position. This preseason of course museum warner. We'll have their back and forth to but at least muse has a few games of serious as a full-time linebacker to lean on. Whereas diablo doesn't. I mentioned at the top of the show. That the raiders. Re-signed undrafted free agent tackle every hamilton. And how he has an unprecedented opportunity this weekend. The signing is likely result of poor pass protection jerry jones smith and patrick omay as both of those two looked like their feet have been stuck in cement combining to allow thirteen pressures and five sacks. Just two preseason games. So that's where hamilton will be looking to make an impact grand. Hamilton doesn't have a track record of success path protection either as he gave up twenty five pressures on four hundred. Sixty eight pass blocking snaps as a senior in recorded a plus blocking grade in the low sixties. Hopefully he's been working on his past sets during the time off so he can step in and contribute to what is currently looking like a potential weak spot in las vegas rosser rounding things out on the players to watch. it's going to be wide receiver. keelan dos. it's been a rough preseason. so far for dos. He's caught six passes for fifty five yards and has no touchdowns and as the second lowest yards per route run among lighter series on the team with at least two targets on top of that he had a bad drop last week that led to an interception and he's only averaged about one point three yards after the catch per reception this month. Obviously he could use a big performance on sunday to help ease case. Stick around on the practice squad at the very least dusty. Get some help from the roster cuts this week now that marcel eight minutes been waived that leaves. Dj turner and donor has dasa's biggest competitors to stay in las vegas and whatever capacity that might be as rookies turner and stone or have youth on their side has an advantage over dos. So that puts more pressure on the ladder as he returns home to the bay area. Hopefully a little home cooking will reignite the alameda natives continue to show the potentially display back in the two thousand nineteen. Preseason all right that's gonna wrap things up for today. Make sure you're following silver and black pride. If you're not already in of course make sure you're following myself twitter at 'em holder ninety five and on that note. Talk to you guys next time.

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Just Pod Baby- Episode 14- Training Camp Preview: Position battles/Roster bubble

Silver & Black Pride

40:32 min | 2 years ago

Just Pod Baby- Episode 14- Training Camp Preview: Position battles/Roster bubble

"When you have great coaches, then after the great coaches, you get great players have a great organization, and you tell them one thing, just win. Let's go pretty nation. Welcome to just poppy with your host having your home for raiders news notes and information. Don't forget to check me out at Twitter at ego five, and you can find more my work over at silver, and black pride dot com. Just another reminder that just baby can now be found as part of SP nations silver, and black pride podcast network. Be sure to subscribe to the network and check out all the great content that's available for you on this week's episode would be fine solo. I don't have guest lineup for you, but I do have a really good show plan for you the format may be slightly different than what we're normally used to. I'm going to be skipping over the monologue portion of the, the Assode and N headlines. And I'm going to get right into a training camp preview. I'm going to be highlighting key, positional battles, and also some players who I believe are on the roster. Bubble before I get into that, though. I do want to mention some important news and notes, the raiders have confirmed start dates for training camp two thousand nineteen. Rookies quarterbacks other select players will arrive on July twenty third, and I believe that's Tuesday, those players will participate in a three day, little minicamp warm up if you will, before the veterans arrive on July twenty sixth the team the entire team, the entire roster will take field for the first time together on July twenty seventh so we are about four weeks away from football officially being back in his time to get excited baby, another nouncement that was made the past week or two was that the raiders have announced dates for their joint practices with the Los Angeles Rams. Those practices will take place on August seventh and eighth leading up to their of preseason matchup on August tenth so make sure you Mark those days in your calendar, which I'm sure many of you are already done. But like I said, we are we are just about four weeks away from training camp. And that it's hard to believe it's really hard to believe. But but I'm excited. I, I know you guys are. And, you know expectations, I I'm you know I'm really expecting a much better season from this team. You know, I don't wanna get carried away with MAC speculations. But the roster looks much improved. There's there's much more talent on this team. And I think we're in for you know exciting season here. Okay, we're going to quick break in and when I return, we're going to get right into that training camp preview, I mentioned, positional battles in players, who I believe, round the roster bubble. This episode is brought to you by Cox TV from Cox. You can find all your favorites, all in one place, the YouTube, you Bet El what about that net? Flicker thing Netflix, too. And although superhero movies, contour has all the latest titles on demand. Oh my grandkids. Love being green guy. I prefer the one with the hammer myself. Okay. I think we're done ear now. Get all your favorite apps shows and movies right on contour TV from Cox. Okay. Welcome back to just pod baby with Evan group. Now, I don't wanna open up old wounds, but let's take a minute and and reflect back and think about what the raiders were dealing with or about to deal with at this point in last season. Yup. You got the Khalil Mack. Hold out. And if you recall that wound up being the talk of the NFL all throughout training camp. It was all over TV was constantly on the NFL network ESPN, the hold outlasted you know, well into August up until the last days believe it was ten days before the first game. And he still wasn't signed, yet, and eventually he, he was traded as we know. And that was the second year of a hold out that the team had to deal with, you know that those distractions that come along with with a player. Holy now Donald Penn in two thousand seventeen the raiders have, you know, they had some noisy training camps to say the least in the past couple of seasons. And you know whether players want to a minute or not that, that can be a distraction, especially when it's your best player like it was last year with Coolmax. So, you know, as we approached life, I right now, things seem to be pretty quiet which is a good thing for the raiders would the exception of hard knocks, which we all know some people may see as distraction in others may not it really depends on the players. But, you know, think things look good right now in other words, I do wanna mention though that there is there is one player from the two thousand nineteen rookie class who still remains unsigned and that's first round pissed. Pick Josh Jacobs. So, so keep that in mind. I do expect that he would get that contract done sooner rather than later sometime in the near future here. You know, rookie holdouts are they're just not as communist. They once were due to the, the, the rookie wage gal they have in place. So again, I would I definitely would expect that contract to get done here. Very, very soon. Now I want to start this preview on the offense of side of the ball with some, some position battles. I think you should keep an eye on. And I want to start with the most important position that's quarterback. There may not be a ton of position battles on the offense aside the ball. But, but there will be one for the backup quarterback job behind car. You've got Mike Glennon and you've got neat Peterman. You know, I is it just me or or since Derek Carr has has been the quarterback for this team has the backup quarterback just bene- tro shis when you think about it in recent years? I mean yeah you Matt McGowan you know he had some some moments. But overall, I personally I just have not felt comfortable at all with the situation behind Derek Carr in, in this this upcoming season. Right now, it's, it's no different. And, and it might even be the worst that we've seen in a few years in my. Union, you'll starting with Mike Glennon who who in two thousand seventeen signed a lucrative deal with the bears after spending three seasons with Tampa Bay Glennon started four games with the bears. And after going one in three he was replaced by rookie, Mitch Trubisky. Then in the following season last year, two thousand eighteen he, he signed on with the Zona cardinals. And again he was bested by rookie quarterback Josh Rosen. So, you know, doesn't say a whole lot about Glen, that he was replaced by a rookie in Trubisky and then was not able to, you know hold off another rookie quarterback Josh Rosen. So in twenty two career games or I'm sorry in, in twenty two career starts for Mike Glennon. He's compiled a record of six and sixteen. He's thrown thirty five touchdowns to twenty interceptions and completion percentage of sixty. Percent. So I mean, you know, those the win loss record isn't what you want to see the, the touchdown interception ratio is pretty good. You know. I it serviceable. You know, that's those are backup quarterback numbers. Nathan Peterman, formerly of the Buffalo Bills. He still he still fairly young guy is this will be his third year. In the league, I believe, I believe he spent two years with buffalo. He's gonna twenty five years old, he he's just had zaslov beginning to his career and I know because I again, I'm I'm out here in buffalo. So I I've seen many of his his games in four starts in eight appearances with the bills. Peterman has a one and three record. He completed fifty two point three percent of his passes, which is awful three touchdown passes to twelve interceptions in a quarterback rating of thirty two point five. So you know he struggled to say the least put it nicely. He's had a rough go of Gruden. Obviously, you know, see something, which is why you know, he picked him up and and felt confident enough letting go of land. Jones, who they also signed in the offseason. But in my opinion Gruden is betting on himself as a coach as a developer someone who he, he feels confident that he can get the most out of Peterman. You know, the gruden's button on myself there if he asked me. Now I'm not I'm not saying anything that you guys don't already know I'm not I'm not making any hot takes here. If Derek Carr should go down and miss any amount of time this season, the raiders are in trouble, and that's that's you could say that about most teams in the league. But Glennon, nor Peterman neither one of them have shown that they are capable of, of leading team to victory. They just they just haven't done it. I would say at this point Glennon is definitely in the driver seat for the for the quarterback to job. And if nothing else he's got more experience. He's, you know, he's he's had some more success with the touchdown to interception ratio he c-, he seems to be completed more passes. And I think that's obviously it's important. Even with all the Ed weapons on this offense with Antonio Brown, and tyro Williams and, and so on, if it's not Derek Carr under center, this team will struggle. So obviously as we all know, stating, the obvious Derek Carr, gotta stay healthy this year. Looking at the offense of line things appear to be pretty much cemented as far as the starting five goes, Colt, Miller and Trump Brown will be your, your book on tackles with second year. Man, Brandon Parker plane as the swing tackle role, which, you know, I just I think that Trent Brown signing, I know he was given big time money, but I think it's it's it was a great move, because it just puts Brandon Parker in that backup role. He he's just not ready. We clearly saw that last season. He's got a lot of work to do before he's going to be capable of starting in this league. I'm looking for a big second year jumped from Colt. Miller who will stay on the left side, despite the big money that was given a trim Brown free agency. You know, it was reported during the OT as in the minicamp that Colt Miller himself said the added some much needed. Wait in strength in the off season which, which should definitely help them big time, because it was obvious. You know last season. He just he just didn't have the strength that compete at a high level and you know, he battled through injuries which really, really played a big role in his struggle. So I'm expecting a major bounceback year from him. And I think he'll I think he will live up to those that first round expectations where the raiders drafted him. The guard positions. Also, look, you know, solidified with the addition of Richie incognito who will start alongside Colt Miller at left guard in big smooth. Gabe Jackson will stay over at the right side forming a behemoth one two punch of trim Brown. I mean, that's just a massive right side of the offense of line. With with Gabe Jackson in, in Trent Brown over there. Call it controversial if you want, but the signing of, of incognito, it's a major upgrade to the old line that, that left guard position was was one that was, you know. You had Denzel good. What was penciled in there before in Kenya's broad in, and it was just a, a major glaring need their although good did play well at times last year towards end the season? You know, we can you get a full sixteen game you know high level from him this year. I don't know incognito has shown recently, although he didn't play last season that, you know, he he's a Pro Bowl level, left guard, and he's going to bring a lot of attitudes the offense of line, which I think, is a great thing to have. As I mentioned, Denzel goodwill now serve as the primary backup guard should he be needed in, in looking at some other names. There's there's one name that I wanted to keep an eye on. And that is underestimated free agent out of Alabama. Let's Lester cotton senior. I did some film study on him for an for a piece that I did for silver, and black pride. And he's a he's a total road. Grader, he really reminds me a lot of Gabe Jackson. And I think he someone that, that might surprise us might surprise a lot of people in. He could be someone who steals a roster spot. The center position is rock solid with Rodney Hudson who was one of the best centers in the game. I think sometimes he gets a little bit disrespected. You know, when it comes to all pros and that kind of thing, Jordan DEVE was signed from the Kansas City Chiefs, and he will fill that Jon Feliciano role from last year of backup center in and guard. He can kinda he's a little bit versatile. He can do both. After after the backup quarterback positions, one of the more intriguing positional battles on offense will be at running back. Josh Jacobs was as you was selected in the first round this year's draft. And you know he's fully expected to be the starter. Jacobs is definitely the most versatile of the stable of running backs. He has the ability to make people miss. He has ability. He has great ability of empower as a runner. He he catches the ball very well out of the backfield. He so he should be a threat there as well after the injury that is Ahah Crowell suffered the achilles injury. The raiders brought back veteran. Doug Martin from from last season who, who had very productive season once last year when when marshawn Lynch went down. Doug Martin was very good. If you take a look at his numbers, and if you go back and watch some of those games he, he was he was. Very, very good when called upon and he's going to be expected to mentor Jacobs through his rookie season. After those two names, we have Jalen Rashard who really carved himself out nice role last season as the primary receiving back and had a career high receptions, I believe he tied for the lead the team lead in receptions with Jared cook. I think he had sixty eight receptions last year. So grueling Gruden definitely likes Rashard and based on some of the comments he made about chard during the season last year. And he sees him as a big part of this offense in a, a big weapon so he definitely will be safe. His roster spot will be safe. Now after those guys things really get interesting because you have a few names here, you know, should the raiders decide to keep four running backs. There's gonna be a battle there fret fourth spot, and it's gonna come down to John Jay Washington and Chris warn the third right now. I would give the edge to Chris warn in the reason, I believe that. Is because he he's just his skill set is a little bit more unique compared to the other guys. You know, Josh Jacobs is your you know he's he's gonna be your your your your workhorse. He, he can be a three down back if you need him to be Doug Martin. You know, he's your veteran with all the experience and then you've got Rashard your, your primary, receiving back in Warren is just, he's a big powerful runner, and he can be utilized as a goal line specialists, would they want to put him in a role like that where de'andre Washington? No, he's guy who I really like as a player, but he just hasn't been able to find his niche with the raiders, and I don't know if it's Ben because of lack of opportunity or whatnot, but he just hasn't been able to really make his presence felt he's had a couple moments here and there you know, he's a bit undersized. It'd be running between. Tackles. And although he does catch the ball very well. It's clear that Gruden really favors Rashard in that regard. So I just think that warn offers a little bit more upside than Washington. The deciding factor between those two could come down to who can contribute more on special teams. That's that's really where I think the battle could be one. The fullback position is another interesting one in my opinion. The raiders added undrafted free agent elk Ingold out of Wisconsin, the season, and could he could he take Keith Smith's job. Maybe I'm not the biggest Keith Smith fan. He did not have a great year as a fullback last season. I there were a couple plays specifically they're standing out right now. I remember he, he dropped the that little, you know, not screen pass, but a little out route in the flat there on a fourth and one and I recall couple times where he missed some key blocks. And you know, had car or the running back, yet got blown up in the backfield. So, you know, I thought he had some struggles at times, but he is one of rich Passat. She has core special teamer, so that could carry some, some heavyweight in regards to his, his roster spa. Hot but I do expect elk in go to really push him in training camp. They're a wide receiver group received a complete overhaul in the off season. The outside receivers are set in stone with Antonio Brown, and, and tyro Williams. And this is going to be the best one two punch, Derek Carr has has ever had a has service since being drafted in, in two thousand fourteen and I think car should have a career. I'm gonna say it right now I think Derek Carr is going to have a career year with these two guys as top targets. I think he's going to compete. You know, as an MVP I really do Mark the tape remember where you heard it first in the slot. I think things are going to be very competitive in training camp with, with two new faces rookie hunter Renfro in the newly signed Ryan grant grant, his you know, he's he's been league a few years. He's had some success with the Redskins and the colts his best season came with John gruden's brother, Jay Gruden in Washington, where he caught a career high forty five balls for five hundred seventy three yards and four touchdowns. Grant is a he's a bigger body guy. He he's, he's about six feet little over two hundred where we're Renfro of just smaller body, but he's going to grad can have his hands full trying to fight off hunter Renfro who we know is just he he's a fighter. That's what he does. You know, his whole his whole life is, you know, he's been an underdog, so you know, I would fully expect for, for Renfro to give him everything he can handle Renfro became a legend at Clemson. It's, it's been well documented winning two national titles. If you listen to the previous episode of the podcast, you heard his position coach and offense coordinator, Jeff Scott say that he just has a knack for making big plays. And he just knows how to get open, you know, he's he's a very quarterback from the receiver. And if I was a Batman, I would expect Renfro to win this job when it's all said and done. On the offense aside the ball that leaves one more position. That's tight end. And you know, this is the position that last year, the raiders had a lot of production from the departure of jerk cook in free agency leaves a huge void for this offense again, jeered cook was probably the most reliable player on the offense. Certainly the most reliable target for Derek Carr. And right now it's gonna be it's gonna be Darren Waller who who's going to be looked expected to fill fill those shoes Jon Gruden has talked up Waller all off season. You know, call them intriguing smart. Learner quick learner just seem to be very impressed with the work that Waller has put in this off season. So he's definitely the leader in the clubhouse at this point. It's his job to lose behind him. There's going to be a battle for that for that blocking tight. End role should the raiders aside to keep three or four tight ends. You know, I'm not quite sure, but that's going to be between Derek carrier, Paul Butler, Luke Wilson Eric swoop. And the rookie foster Moreau I fully expect obviously, Miro to, to make the team along with along with Waller, and that would leave carrier Butler Wilson in ensue battling for maybe one or two spots. They all have similar skill sets. Carriers may be more of a receiving back where Butler Wilson are more of your blocking tight ends in soup as well as he's also more of a receiving tight end. So that would be that's gonna be a another position battle that you may want to focus on. I would imagine when it's all said and done it will be. It will be Waller carrier in Monroe Monroe, who make the team. And if I had to pick a fourth they would probably be. Luke wilson. I'm going to take another quick break. And when I return we will talk defensive position battles. Hi, I'm Avery truffle man and I'm hosting curbs new podcast. Nice, try. It's stories about how people have tried to design a better world. And what happens when those designs don't go according to plan season. One is called utopian. And it's about the perpetual search for the perfect place. It includes cannibalism fascist architecture. Poly-amorous hermetically, sealed domes and Courtney Kardashians dining room chairs, but not necessarily in that order, new episodes of nice, try come out every Thursday. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. I'm actually really site excited about the defense this year. I know they really struggled badly last year, especially in the in the secondary unit as we know what the pass rush. But I think that there's a lot of new young faces on this defense. And I'm excited to see the growth of some of the second year players especially we're going to start along the defense of line, starting with deepens events. Your starters are going to be Cleland Faeroe and and Bentsen my Awo in the gun. This is in my opinion. Josh Moro, who was brought in from the giants. He's, he's more of a run stuffing defensive end. And he's not really known, you know, as a pass rusher. So I think because of that you're gonna see a Mayawati as the starter alongside Pharrell Arden key is gonna move back into the third down pass rusher which, again, which is, which is what they drafted him to be last year. As we know with with the way things went down with MAC. And, and they ended up releasing Broussard, even key was kinda thrown in there thrown to the wolves as a three down or as an every down defensive end. And I think he's really going to thrive in that position as a as a pass rush specialist, where we know when he's not being asked to, you know, stop the run and and do those types of things that's just not his game. Max Crosby will be your your fifty -fensive end in from what I've seen. You know, an heard this guy just had this kid has a motor that does not quit. He he's been posted a lot of videos out there and social media, you know, showing all the work. He's been doing the off-season. In fact, he posted a video with himself and Arden key working on pass rush moves, so I'm really excited about this kid. And as you know, a gun from from previous episodes of the podcast, I spoke to his position coach at eastern Michigan know, he praised him for his ability to just just have that knack for making big plays in big moments of games. Deepens van was probably the weakest position on the roster last year in while it's still working progress. It's very far from being a finished product. Things are looking much better. The interior part of the line could be very good. I think in the end it's going to be led by MAURICE Hurst who really looked like a big time player for the raiders in his rookie season last year. Really showed some flashes Jonathan hankins was brought back he had a very good season with the raiders, and he's going to compete with, with Justin jelly Ellis for the for the nose tackle job, Alice, had an injury plagued two thousand eighteen just just couldn't really seem to stay healthy PJ hall who's going another second-year player showed some some, some flashes as you know, as a rookie again, you know, he he battled through some injuries as well. Which I think really affected his his, his ability to play Eddie van, or does he he's the guy, you want to keep an eye on, in my opinion after missing the entire two thousand eighteen season recovering from a torn ACL which he, he, he had which occurred at the end of the two thousand seventeen season. You know, he's got a lot to prove he's got to prove his worth this coaching staff. Let's not forget Vander dose was drafted under the old regime. So we know what's happened to a lot of the players who were drafted under the Reggie McKenzie inject. Oh, Rio regime, many of them are no longer with team. So I think he's really got approved of this to this coaching staff that, you know, he, he can be here for the long term. And I hope we can say healthy. I really do. I, I really think this, this interior group could be a strength for the defense if everyone stays healthy, you know, and we see some improvements from those second-year player who will be second year players. I really think this could be your strength of the defense. The linebackers groups looks a little bit different than did last season. They've added some veterans in involuntary Bertha CT and Brandon Marshall. Both. I believe are probably our most likely going to start as of right now, if I had to, you know, make a gas perfect is definitely going to be starting as he's going to be running the defense, you know, he has experienced working with Paul Gunthers defense. So he's going to be making all the calls in his, he's going to be your leader out there. I'm not sold on Brandon Marshall as a starter. Although I think if the raiders were to give you a depth throat today, I think he would be your starter at weakside linebacker, but I do think he could find himself in a battle with with nNcholas Morrow who I just, you know, he's younger more athletic player, and I just seem to like him in coverage. Tell your Whitehead on the other hand he stinks in coverage but you know he's a tackling machine. So he he's going to be your starter as the other outside linebacker. If some injuries should occur, which, you know, are inevitable and in the NFL you know you had the young. Easters behind them. You've got Marquel Lee. Jason Cabinda again. Previously mentioned nNcholas Morrow off all three guys. I think showed some, especially Marquel Lee, really showed some growth in his second year. Kamenda I like. And again, I talked about Morrow Alrighty, I would really love to see on Coney push for roster spot. He's, he's the undrafted free agent out of Notre Dame. He scored extremely high according to pro football focuses grading system, although he still did go on drafted, but, you know you didn't really hear a whole lot out of OT as in many camps about him. In fact, I didn't hear anything about him, but, you know, it's kind of hard for a linebacker shine in OT as when you're running around, and, and t shirt shorts, but he's a guy keep your keep an eye on him. You know could surprise you and, and again steel roster spot. The secondary received a big boost this year. With the addition of lamarcus Joyner who will be you're starting nickel cornerback and join her has the versatility to play both in the slot and safety as well. But you know with with the majority of time that teams in the NFL nowadays are spending in in the nickel, you know, he he's basically going to be a starter for you on the outside. You're going to have Gary on Conley and deer world colonies going to be expected to be this team shutdown corner. And I think he could be in for a breakout year. He you know, he finally showed the ability to, to stay healthy last year. Any, you know, he's got he he showed some some moments where he, he made some place. So I, I really think he could be in for a breakout year, and I think they need him too. They, they really need a number one corner. The raiders did use a second round pick on clemson's shutdown corner. That's Trayvon Molen in Mohan. Really excels in pressman. He's got some issues, you know with with his game, but he really excels. He's big strong physical and, you know I if Conley or Worley should falter you know, you could see Mohan taking some some reps from them early in the season. Raiders also added a second cornerback in the draft as Johnson from Houston. He's more of a project player believes a former wide receiver who made the transition to cornerback. He's long. He's fast, you could see him contribute more as a special teamer early on behind those guys, you have Nevin, Lawson and Nick Nelson, who are those guys are gonna be, you know, fighting for their life to make this roster. In the back end it's gonna be karl-josef and Jonathan Abrams right now. I think our Pennsylvania's is your starters. And you know cage as got a lot to prove this year. It's well documented that the raiders declined to pick up his his fifth year option. Meaning he's playing for a new contract this year. And you know, you heard a lot of good things about him from Gruden about the work that he's put in about his, you know, he stepping up. He's being more vocal as a leader. So, you know, he's got lots of proof, and I'm hoping that he's got a bit of a chip on his shoulder this year as he again, is he's looking to. To prove to the raiders that he should be in their long term plans. You know, into add fuel to the fire the raiders drafted safety Jonathan Abram in the first round. So, you know, hopefully that maybe light a spark under Joseph Abram was running with the ones in mini camp. And he should stay there throughout training camp. I think he's going to be your your safety who's going to match up with those tight ends. Nari talked about that shortly after they drafted him. So I think he he's definitely going to be a major upgrade to the back end of that defense. Curtis Riley, Eric Harris are the guys who will be backing up those two players. And it looks like Jordan, Richard and Dolon leather will be fighting to make the team as well quickly. I'll go over special teams at kicker. It's Daniel Carlson. He was great for the raiders last season after they brought him in, you know, he had a couple game winners for the raiders in, you know. So he'll, he'll be Pennsylvania's you're starting place kicker, and punter, Johnny Townsend who really struggled as a rookie. He's given me given a second chance. They do have AJ Cole on the roster. But from what at what rich Prasada Shiah said during any camp Townsend has really improved in, in some areas of his game, especially with his hang time. And I think that's important because Townsend was when he was drafted. He was. Touted as more of a directional placement kicker. So the fact that he's getting some more hang time on those kicks, I think that'll really improve his game up next. I will give you my three players who I believe are on the roster. Bubble. The three three players that I believe were on the roster. Bubble are obviously guys that you know, may not be your obvious player cuts, but guys who were on the team last year. But I just think you're gonna have a hard time making the team this year. Some of these guys have already mentioned, and one of them, I did not the three players that I have on my list, Johndroe Washington, Nick Nelson and Marcel eightman. I'm gonna give you a few reasons why for each player that I believe they're just not gonna make the roster. De'andre Washington Nyeri really spoke about again. I just feel like his abilities are very similar with Jalen Rashard. And I think it's clear at this point that Gruden favors chard to Washington. I don't think that Washington offers anything else that, that warrants him taking a roster spot. He does place in special teams. But. I, I don't think that's enough to to get him on this team. He's going to be battling with Chris Morton to third. And I think Warren, the third is someone who they're much more intrigued with based on the way he played last year in the preseason. They stashed him on. I r so they obviously feel like he you know, there's something there. I think Warren, his, his, his ability, his skill set is much more unique than Washington. And again, I think he could really warn could fill in as that goal line back. Nick Nelson, although this is only his second year in, you know he spent some of the first couple of weeks of last season, recovering from the injury, he suffered during I believe this is pro day. Anyhow, I'm Nelson did did get some get quality snaps towards NS season. I believe started a couple of games. But when I look at the makeup of the roster, you know, I don't know. I don't know how many Cornerbacks that the team is going to carry. But when you already have Conley Worley in Joyner, there's three you drafted to rookies in Isaiah Johnson in Molin there's five so he's going to be he's going to be fighting for a spot. They brought in Nevin Lawson in free agency. So, you know, he he's gonna have to he he's definitely got his work cut out for him. And I feel like his best spa. Is in the nickel in the slot. So you know what? We'll see. But I do I do think Nelson is on the bubble in the third player is Marcel eightman. He was a guy again. They, they stash them on the practice squad. He was eventually he was brought up in. He did make some starch and he did make some place to towards the end the season. But I just think he's kind of a one trick pony. He's that big bodied red zone target. You know, they, they brought in a much better version of someone like that entira Williams, who is big bodied can run just a much more polished versatile receiver. And when you when you combine the addition of Renfro and JJ Nelson and Ryan grant again when you make up when you look at the makeup of the roster. I just don't know how many wide receivers they're going to carry so perhaps eight. Men could be guy. They they own. They put him on the practice squad, again, if there's injuries that occur, maybe they could bring them up again, but I do not see him making the initial fifty three man roster out of training camp. That was my training camp preview. Highlighting positional battles and players to watch for on the roster. Bubble. Well, that's going to wrap it up for this week's edition of just pod, baby. I wanna think everyone for tune into the show at hope you enjoyed the show. I want to wish everyone a happy fourth of July this week, don't forget, you will be taking the week off. And I'll be back. Again about two weeks as we get closer to training Kim. Elp. Everyone has a great week. Go raiders. This week on switched on pop. There's a new version of Aladdin in theaters, and people are not having it. They are upset about the new live action version of prince Ali sung by Will Smith. But maybe not for the reasons you'd expect Charlie. 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Week 8 (Part 2)

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Week 8 (Part 2)

"Eight time to eat four sit down and get ready to consume an abundance of fantasy football nominee from Ross Tucker and Joe Dolan we now on the fantasy feast eight and podcast yeah let's eat baby is the fantasy feast eaten podcast boards and the college draft all available at Apple podcasts Ross Tucker dot com or wherever podcasts can be found chiefs for the first time this season in week number seven against Washington in those awful conditions now we didn't catch a pass but I'm giving everybody in that game inside and outside my question is which guy comes off the field but for fantasy purposes I immediately rank Emmanuel Fall cocktails box of awesome has you covered from style and grooming goods to bar wear cooking tools free pass because of how awful the conditions were but where where does sanders fit in he's a veteran receiver who can play inside and outside I think Peres has the skills to play in that I've really been interested in so sanders comes in as a wide receiver three for me and until I see the rotation at wide receiver I'm ignoring everybody else and that includes twice speaking of box of awesome you guys need to start a new monthly routine to upgrade your life with a box of awesome afternoon slate how about the panthers off the bye at Emmanuel Sanders and the San Francisco outdoor gear box of awesome has carefully built collections for every part of your life to get started take the quiz at ranked fantasy analyst Joe Dolan every single week here on the fantasy feast eaten podcast which is amazing I'm Ross for twenty percent off your first box which is amazing almost amazing as the fact that we get the number one dollars worth of gear inside get twenty percent off your first monthly box when you sign up at box of meaning you Greg Cosell and a lot of people I know throughout the industry it's important to note that Kyle Shanahan doesn't think of his offense as something where forty niners joe absolutely Emmanuel Sanders the the forty niners here you know talking talking to people who know what they're talking about needed some consistency at the wide receiver position and Emmanuel Sanders is going to give that to them he's going to give them a presence in the slot now here is the question anders as the top wide receiver on this forty niners team because nobody else has been getting it done it's easy for me to rank him as the top one because there's really as I said nobody else some dot Com and enter the code feast at checkout that's box of awesome dot com code Feast Dante Pass interesting okay what about with some of the injury issues they've had the running back rotation well Kevin Coleman has been the I'm from Bespoke Post Day saying you only the best stuff whether you're looking at craft run hard cider or toast perfectly aged I have because the receiver who has been playing the most snaps for them in recent weeks is is Dante Pettis who was up and over ninety percent of the snap you have to filter the ball through one person we've got to get the ball in one person's hands however it was pretty certain just by watching them that a number two with what I think is arguably the game of the afternoon I know everybody will be focused on Brown's patriots or even Raiders Texans we got three good ones in the that they've really wanted to get the football to now matt breed left last week he was getting checked for concussion he got poked in the eye he's getting his touches as well but twenty two touches for her former NFL offensive lineman at Ross Tucker NFL he is at f g underscore Dolan R. I.. Joe We will start episode. I'm Joe a we know about McCaffrey let's talk receivers and Greg Olsen okay so greg Olsen finally he gets it done last week talks of awesome dot com they'll tell you what is the perfect box for you each box cost only forty five bucks but has over seventy going to worry me against this Defense Kyle Allen has fumbled six times in four starts this year six so I think that's GonNa worry me Coleman against Washington with the forty niners as home favorites Tevin Coleman I think you can fire him up as DFS option and coming off a disappointing day I think he might be a little bit lower than you might think the forty niners are six point favorites at home Kevin Coleman is a high rb to Matt Brita is a flex they'd only four wide receivers active in that game against Green Bay they had they had hunter Renfro active they had Trevor Davis active they had Marcel Eightman active and go to somebody else that's fine but with George Kettle I have no problem playing him in defense each and every week panthers coming off the bye it still allowance team the raiders in this game interesting okay we know about Jacob's we know about waller for the Texans what do we need hennessy points to wide receivers thus far I think both of those guys are low end wide receiver threes I think this is a tough match-up Carolina Okay Keelan dos active none of those guys fantasy options so in this matchup the two guys who I'm considering in the passing game are the two tight ends Darren Waller this year so there is that but not the week that that I'd really be focusing on getting him in my lineup however we can go to the wide receivers and it's been kind of how `bout the how `bout the Texans getting Gary and Conley here in the building before this game from Oakland so even up the fifth fewest total fantasy points to the tight end but maybe if you think you know what the matchup isn't great people are going to are going to pay down for their week for Deshaun Watson You keep playing De'andre Hopkins especially since will fuller is injured a Willfuller is going to miss a few weeks and that opens up the to play in this matchup against Carolina anything and needed to be said by kid about kit other than he's a total what about for daily so they needed that corner the problem here for the raiders is they don't have wide receivers Tiro Williams has been hurt we saw Jon Gruden last week say he has next game. It's the raiders at the Texans. Let's start with the raiders who you know Joe they moved a pretty effectively against the packers still that's a nice luxury for them to have he had over one hundred yards receiving Kenny stills easily on the wide receiver three radar this week against the raiders. Oh here Sean Watson's good finally De'andre Hopkins got something done the question I now have is the run game doc lost Willfuller but compare contrast to Shawn Watson to Carson Wentz for instance we talked on the last podcast about how the lack of Sean Jackson six and a half point favorites at home next up we've got the browns at the Patriots I mean Patriots defense is and Fabien Moreau both of whom have been big time performers for them especially waller who's been a top three fantasy tight end this season he is a locked in top three fantasy against this defensive front this really fast defensive front not the week I'd be choosing the Stream Kyle Allen they'll keep in mind he hasn't thrown an interception yet Dan Gilmore chasing him around Jarvis Landry is going to be a wide receiver three for me this week and there ain't no way in hell I am playing Baker Eh up and down for them one week it'll be deebo Samuel one week it'll be DJ more check the status of a Kello Witherspoon whose miss last few games with had Jacobs got stuffed on the one car through a bad pick car was he about to have a rushing touchdown fumbled it the offense was still in pretty good they get some corner help and they needed that corner help because they've been really exploited on the back end they'd given up the second most fantasy points to wide receivers this year only the eagles have given up more I think it's a good enough matchup a not not a great match up here because I think that the defense is for Carolina is rock solid they've actually weeks ago before they are by a finally after to really bad games four for fifty two not a great game but certainly one where you can kind of hang your hat on it the and that doesn't mean I'm not playing Jarvis Landry or hotel Beckham Odell Beckham is going to be a wide receiver to for me this week with Steph steph tight end option because remember converted wide receiver they can split him out a little bit and also Fabien Moreau who looks like a heck of a player I expect to see a ton of twelve personnel from problem here is Kyle Alan the thing I would think about Kyle Allen as impressive as he's been he's been a little bit deliberate in the pocket and that is if you'll get about then you get to the Patriots on the other side just kind of amazing how they utilize all these different guys what does it mean from fantasy enter for Shabbat and it's not getting better so who is going to attack on the perimeter for the raiders two weeks ago they traded Zeta-jones they made him an active leg injury for the forty niners if he plays it becomes really tough sliding for DJ more on the perimeter we already know this is a tough match-up the forty niners have given up the third fewest door for somebody WHO's one of my favorite waiver wire ads of the entire week Kenny stills and how you have to look at the Shawn Watson it's not okay what else Texans wise running back tight end well Duke Johnson actually out snapped Carlos high last week it's just teams just don't want to give them wise the most gifted offense the Patriots have face this year as a matter of fact looking at their awful schedule I think that's pretty much guarantee but the browns haven't played to that talent maybe it's landry as a wide receiver three Beckham as a two I don't feel great about that with Stefan Gilmore chasing him around and Nick Chubb is every week rb one but nobody else play job anybody else mayfield no thank you not against this defense fire up the Patriot defense with Baker Mayfield and his tendency to to throw the ball to the other team yeah I can see that what about the other skill guys for the browns nobody considering I just nobody they are six and a half point favorites I would anticipate this is a week that they think they can get the run game going so I think it's a good week for Karla tied every week is a good shrieked by Sununu with New England I just wonder if his impact is going to be far more in real football than it is for fantasy football a ball and I don't understand it I think he's a low end flex and I think Carlos Hyde is a high end flex and maybe a sneaky DFS option with the Texans figured something out over the by I'm going to let them show it to me before I trust Baker Mayfield in this matchup I think you have to play Beckham I think you have to play Landry and certainly Asti Joe what does that mean for you with these browns I feel good about nick job and I don't feel good about anybody else it's a very good week for Brady White Eshelman and in my opinion especially Sony Michelle I like it felt like I told you about this last Dr type of running back he's matchup proof he gets eight targets like seemingly every week so he's an rb to Sony Michelle is going to be after three touchdowns the question here with this receiving core is how much how much does he play where do the snaps come from and I can't really answer that until I see him out there I know they're not coming from this killing Carson Wentz and eagles offense down the field the Texans lose will fuller and they pick up another guy runs a four three into storm rate in there in in Kenny but here's what Sununu is he is one of those better in real life than in fantasy type of guys he can block he's versatile they can run gimmick plays with him remember mm-hmm because they are going to be home favorites here against the Raiders Carlos I did not get it done last week there in that kind of back and forth game or the Texans right what else do we need to know about the Patriots for fantasy football so my co host on my fantasy for agents podcast Tom Rowley told me I I rank are running backs every week and Patrick Mahomes can't play in this game it's kind of sickening it's I mean at least you get Aaron Rodgers but this could have been a dual this poll sports allows you to create a poll with your custom league settings and then get votes and advice from credible fantasy players you know this could have been epic match up of all time Joe between the packers and the chiefs Sunday night unfortunately filming this game there I'd rather play Gardner Minzhu Baker Mayfield this week it's not even close for me I look this might be the beauty of it is completely free to use no pay walls of any kind Paul sports dot com very cool he tells me you know Joe you should just ranked James White at number twenty every week and that's perfect because he's dead smack in the RB to range even for people during about trade wondering about lineup decision et Cetera you can crowdsource if you will at poll sports dot com now here we go we've got packers against Matt Moore and the chiefs what do you think the NFL I feel like at some point Leoneto win but I presume they're gonNA take some from Philip door set I presume he's going to take some from Josh Gordon and it just muddies up this passing game a little bit more whoa second round pick for Mohammed to new probably a little rich I don't think I don't think most teams in the NFL any other fans would be like yeah let's give up a second for Mohammed Sununu and see how they turned out with other people's polls about those players head over to Paul Sports Dot Com to get your free account and get instant advice today week I think it's called poll sports pretty cool it's an online site that allows you to get instant fantasy football advice through real time polls active while everybody is GonNa be really excited to learn that they have another guy to ad in there with Mohamed Sanu they traded for him this week they gave up a second round pick and you look at that light during the regular season once every four years so if Rogers is still playing in four years we're going to get another opportunity at this matchup barring them meeting in the super bowl which comparable level rate now accounts for six touchdowns last week and only six incompletions and I think this is great matchup Rogers again the question is is he going to have doesn't seem that unlikely at this point but I it's just a shame right now it's unfortunate the packers are four and a half point favorites it used to be quarterback back in the day so they can run give it plays with him and element. Both of whom used to be quarterbacks the bill belichick has a mad scientists crap brewing up with Muhammad so new the one Valdez gambling throws one Jimmy Graham who cannot run anymore Ross I'd venture to guess your faster than Jimmy Graham at this point yeah he's these backs and they are both important in both the passing game and the run game right now so you can start him I think Jimmy Graham is atop a tight end option this week and after post poll the voting advice come in almost instantaneously you can even search for polls for that player going to start to trust as a contest catch guy on the other side the chiefs now that Matt Moore is the quarterback what does that mean the jets he's GonNa be borderline rb one this week with the with the patriots as ten and a half point favorites against the browns and I am playing Tom Brady as he now has another weapon at his disposal much the same level that we saw between the chiefs and the rams last year and we're not going to get the opportunity to watch that and that's really a shame especially since green bay in Kansas city only rogers stardom Aaron Jones stardom he's an rb one Jamal Williams you can start him as a flex player they are going to use both let's watch out for the wide receivers because if Davante Adams plays you must use him otherwise I actually still think my favorite is Allen lazard because he had the most added fifty percent of his passes for sixty yards he averaged outside of the fifty yard touchdown three point three yards per pass attempt it was not pretty now doing and the floor of this offense I don't think you can play demarcus Robinson I don't think you can play Michael Hartmann you suck it up with tyreek hill because he's so good yes doc it up with Travis Kelsey but in terms of in terms of the passing Game Weapons Hill and Kelsey the only two I'm considering this week while okay what about the running backs the one thing I want to draw attention to is how Aaron Rodgers is putting up all these numbers with a really mediocre at best casta receivers he's going to want to reverse this season and just kind of started over because I mean you now have Aaron Rodgers playing the best football that that he's played in years in my opinion Daryl Williams into the action those two guys are low end flexes McCoy is a high end flex that's it but I wouldn't be shocked to see Andy Reid last week Marquez gambling has the long catch and run touchdown but he only played thirty three percent snaps because he was dinged up with the knee injury Allen Lazard for all these guys tyreek Hill Travis Kelsey etc not good things I can tell you that Mamoru last week look he comes in cold and he goes ten in nineteen for one hundred and eighteen yards and a touchdown that's fun okay however you have to keep in mind that one of those plays with the fifty seven yard touchdown to tyreek hill outside of that he complete uh-huh okay the final game I'll be on the sideline for this show and I don't know how much of it I would watch hey atoms that I don't know at this stage of the week unfortunately but that will be a big boost to him that would be a big boost to the packers so here's how I feel about them he went to Harvard and he's out here like spearing defenders to try to get a touchdown for team it's not trying to win and his down by two scores with a minute left on TV. If I wasn't going to be paid to be on the sidelines for Westwood One I'm looking forward to it provided the weather is okay it is the the better chance to win football games. Josh Rosen which is probably all you need to know about Josh Rosen yeah it is it is right now if I'm Josh Rosen I'm requesting a trade at the end The run games been atrocious for them they actually finally got going with Shawn McCoy but the issue is now they have a three man rotation because they're insistent on getting both Damian frozen but it's completely true a Ryan Patrick gives them better chance to win football games I I just want to wax poetic about Ryan Fitzpatrick for a little bit because this isn't really George Blanda Jim Plunkett he has more passing yards than all of these guys he has more passing yards than Randall Cunningham he has more passing yards the Miami Dolphins at the Pittsburgh steelers and you know why I am looking forward to it I'm looking forward to it because Ryan Fitzpatrick is a lunatic. It's not his strength snow tonight but the injuries have taken their toll on him but rogers

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Hard Knocks Raiders: Ep. 4 Recap

Vegas Nation - Raiders Football

21:48 min | 2 years ago

Hard Knocks Raiders: Ep. 4 Recap

"Actual come and cover that I'd be awesome wouldn't it I think it does it opens up the world to show us who we really are. ABC Character Dare Car the character so Vegas Nation presented by SDN sports mobile from station casinos maybe hard Ah guy like Nathan Peterman whose first impression was not a good one in the NFL as miles mentioned he had thrown five picks in the first half of a game that he came into football do you think there is a chance that we see him kept on this raiders roster and do you think that there's a chance for him to redeem himself in this league with the bills now we're seeing the grooten effort of trying to mold him into a quarterback who can hold his own that's not turning over this next episode that we saw here on Tuesday night we see Antonio Brown back he's looking like he's all in miles you've been on this bead in hard knocks podcast we brought to you by Sports Mobile Stations Casino make sure to subscribe to Vegas Nation and get on Vegas Nation Dot Com and we also saw a little bit here at the end of this episode of the Glennon Peterman Saga I really looks like right now gruden that's how we heard things Jon Gruden yeah knock on Wood if you're with me guys for this season hard knocks here we are follow all of your raiders news download the Vegas Nation Apt to keep up with everything silver and black you can also find this podcast on review journal Dot com slash podcast is kind of loving Nathan Peterman I thought Glen was the Guy Where do you think ingredients head right now he stands between these two quarterbacks I don't understand it that within this lead you have obviously you're stood you got the JJ watt you got Aaron Rodgers Adrian Peterson take a chance to redeem himself because that's the thing about this league like you know all depends on just where you can fit with the right scheme I think what a lot of people they document that on last week's episode every day implied things have been just fine with the raiders in Antonio Brown so I guess they're all good so it's up to us to deal with it everyone is Heidi paying here along with our raiders beat writer Miles Simmons and former raiders quarterback Stan route and this is the Vegas Yeah interesting I think that might Glennon will be the backup quarterback but anything more more that they could keep three quarterbacks on the going to get through quarterback I I just I think because of going in experience because they haven't played him as much freeman roster it just seemed like and I mean perhaps the playing up even more for the hired knock show but he really seemed like Gruden's the last couple of games I think they're going to keep going but I think that they could keep Peterman chew so yeah and Stan I wanted to ask from your perspective when you see assert anywhere else you download your shows from draws a comment let us know what you think we love hearing what you have to say out there raider nation knock on wood if you're with me to ninety percent maybe even a little bit more than that about ninety five ninety percent of the guys in this league needs to be in the right setting the right system the right skiing where do we stand right now with Antonio Brown well yeah I have an having I'm kidding he's he's there Hughes with the team as far as back to the past on things like this but you know basically when you're looking at this battle right now the possibility of them keeping team and then how he can really adjust himself in the pocket to have that kind of presence and stature to stand up the way he does I dislike the one that throws five interceptions in the first half of the game right I think from that Dam pointy you might keep Nathan Peterman around the way things are going with Nathan Peterman he seems to think that he can continue to mentor this kid push this kid off and and make sure that he become a viable NFL McCurry over the years I think that there's any spot in the NFL daddy can go and basically rehab his image of the thought process and everybody thinking like on I love how the episode opened up with Brenston Buckner basically given the D. Line that cold hard taught it a lot of times the mall's people like that but what a lot of people don't understand it within this league most players and lastly most I'm talking about I'd say any a B and C that you can actually get to the other side in prove yourself is a proven player throughout the throughout the team earned the trust ah hard knocks show was cars stepping up with Marcel Eightman and talking about going the full hundred during practice I think that speech was something that event thrive otherwise they're gonNA look like an average player and I think with Jon Gruden beans still that bursts of the quarterback whispered so many people have all have given him then I can't remember Mike Glennon was actually a part of that and I remember Gruden talking about his pocket presence and him being this big imposing frame I know practice warming up with the team for Tuesday so he is back you know we have all in or all out thing last week and sports betting APP you need this season sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars miles we're looking at Erin needs to do the leader the team needs to do stand from your perspective how many times did you see an instance like that on your team when about him around the me that's the place to do it in Oakland California and the best thing I love about this you mentioned that the the quarterbacks and the grooming Gruden as we know he used to hold that quarterback I don't know it it it seems feasible really that they do keep three but when you have all these guys on the bubble something I really liked about this hard knocks and if the job and everybody knows how to play football everybody does but not everybody knows how to be professional and I think that for Derek Carr to go ahead and do that Matt shows speaks for itself in how you how you approached the game being that professional that's what it's all about because of the end of the day the NFL is a business with the raiders and see a guy really step up and to tell another guy hey man you gotta put in the full effort to happen a couple of times in a couple of instances for them to flourish there's another guy it's like I said they can go and play in any team and they can thrive but for the majority they need to be in the right scheme for it on but what did you think about John Gruden's reaction when he got in there and he's talking to the refs and the officials about this Outta these bubble guys here on hard knocks in this particular episode when they were in Winnipeg okay wait first of all with Winnipeg miles we know about the yard field that they Cabinda's missing tackles there and allowing conversion on third down You know when we look at these players and we get to know more about them somebody like Jason Kidd peg against the packers do you think Jason Cabinda will make this fifty three man roster who probably not and I'll put it this way I you know us not somebody in your teammate and other teams if you decide to let the team decided trade you or they cut you something like that you always want to make sure that you're I think a lot of growth in a lot of leadership in him and I think that for parks to pick that up that's also gonNA show all the fans exactly what type of player on nicknamed `white fat that was Chuck Right there absolutely and then you saw a little bit more chucky when he's talking about Luke Wilson or in God that's what you need whether it's from a coach or player a lot of time you come into this thing that you know everything that you already got amazed every again you need that with kicking the pants to remind you that hey you're still a rookie you're still young earner Keith yet and you need to go ahead and do the little things field and just the look on his face I mean where did you make of John Gruden's reaction to all of this what it wasn't USA freising seeing it in that beaches all the top of my head that I can think of whether it was from Randy Moss or Charles Looking or warren sack or just a couple of the older guys maybe even an Omni out not like this guy in his backstory and you wonder what the chances are that he makes this fifty three man roster with the performance that he put in in the game and about that so I mean to see you know dropping f bombs about the field now you cannot understand how people get off the bus then then something's wrong with field and then they don't want years and years of Monday night football and then you go back to its first graders and they can't for such a long time you know the feeling of why Jon Gruden has the shocking eighteen she's become for taking on that role this episode of Vegas Nation we'll be right back SDN sports is the oldest oh the play and you love that anytime you can go ahead and get somewhat of a of an advantage on the field you're definitely gonNA take it jump in his routes a little bit he was out there and it was put himself out and he got hit right away because he jumped on the route so San when you're a defender something that is it's imperative only team that you have leaders in that you have the older guy had the kind of show the younger guys the way in which it even be a coach it was not that surprising to me I think is just gruden personality right like we see these things and not having seen on TV bend and we get to see his mother out there and Mama been a noser football and she's out there cheering for her son and even talking about some of the missteps in the game so when you see somebody that was kind of his reaction after the game I mean he was saying you know all the eighty yard field I dunno I we lost it was perfectly fine you'll have to ask the Green Bay Packers Wilson he was at home in Canada and he was somebody who was a former Seahawk last year he was at the lions he seemed to struggled you see somebody like that just kinda good out there a little early in jumping the gun how tasty use that for you as a defender exist to get out and to shove him off the route and Law Denard Walker Joey Porter I'm sorry Jerry tour to not get mixed up I think that or not I think he's GonNa be another one of those guys and it's GonNa come down to this final game couple night against the Seattle seahawks and the thing is I have not watched all of the raiders practices I have not seen every ounce of film that a display in the preseason versus the rams or the packers or the the team or not but I don't think that it's going to be a definitive is gonNA make eighteen or in definitive or just an unequivocal he it's to me in the weeks that I have covered the team lunch so you know we see him featured on hard knocks is like wait a minute will feature during this guy and you know make it a little things like that Chandy what actually spills somebody's faith in the preseason when they're trying to make the team and do you think for Luke Wilson after the nothing things up I think that's more of the picture that you get from somebody watch especially in the linebacker More that insure more than you get the Alan doss will have a roster spot on this team knock on wood if you're with me yeah what I saw he's got a great back during obviously you know you have somebody who's calling the mom and then bomb feel-good story from it and you see them at the picture of him you know doing things very well because I don't like I said he has not stood out to me very much under that he's made that many place so I think he'd be one oh come down to special teams can this help us out on special teams can go and run down they don't kick off or punt or can actually go ahead and rush the honor can't teach of knowing where does zone in knowing where to place himself to make these plays what do you think about Keelan dos yeah I agree I think he really good reaction that you saw from Jon Gruden do you think that he makes his team asking if we're going to be tough I really do anything is possible the buildings give him the weekend off so they can go and make those tough decisions and that being August thirty first one thing I think is definitive though is that yes the defensive back whether it's in preseason or whether it's just in practice you can go ahead and get an advantage on another player whether teammate on own it you're only going to I'm from Keelan dos and you know granted miles I haven't been up at Camp as long as you have day in day out watching these guys I just thought the Times that I did see killer he's not gonNa make the team as well he's going to be one of those guys where interest from down to the intangibles about special teams do we like him it was like how professionally it's because he continues to make plays he's making plays like he was drafted in the second or third row not like he was an undrafted free agent so this guy may have been a big replay was it even for me I'm GonNa give you mine and I hope I'm not stealing anybody's Luke Wilson asking or talking to I think it was foster moreau and doc the he is such a student of the game he pays such attention to detail to the little nuances of the game and then he's got that natural ability that you just can't Ah yes it does so tell me guys in this episode a hard knocks was the top moment for you with the singing was it any particular against drake right now I guess I guess there's a competition there but for me it's gotta be Wayne Gretzky if you're going with WHO's the biggest guy in Canada for you miles initial fifty three man roster but I think that he's done it I mean you see with hard knocks episode Gruden Fan and I like you and off and then after he captured for a lot of players that if you're not that bona fide started where like we already know he's going to be the star whether it's Derek Carr and Joanie O. Brown whether amount of money that you have allotted for undrafted free agents it's all in this pool right so we use that amount of money to get being the most or all those things are great but as the end of the day it's like I think they were showing a montage of then you guys really have to have a great game against the seahawks on Thursday ruin makeup push and another one that I was looking at in this particular episode one guy in it shows how much aid they wanted him in be that this is a guy maybe should have been drafted so from that standpoint I think you understand it's interesting whenever we use a wide receiver go as an undrafted free agent you know this they've got a big pretty big killed climb in order to make that hopefully somebody that can get in there and get a blog things like that I think that Luke Wilson is going to be one of those players it it's GonNa come down to the very last second as far as whether he game Kenny mentioned the young guys and I think that's really what what this weekend is going to all be about after the final preseason games but why they like to get all the players out of put off camera that's how coaches really talked to the young guy or just albeit the entire group during training camps basically letting them know hey guys a lot of this is drake's bigger or Wayne Gretzky bigger and Canada they lock hockey Hudson or the hip hop mogul I mean for me I've gotta go a Gretzky because I'm just a sport sound wagner he was telling those guys some real life coach to player you know what he was telling in the real he wasn't trying to go in basically and he said I love each and everyone all anywhere but I did but some of the I hate your football hey approach to the game and to me that resonates with me number one like basically on top his lambeau truck and all these people were crawling on the Lambo trump you are if that's my lambo truck you better back the bleep off ranch back in my plane days where there was training camp or whether it was preseason even during the season things like that so anytime I watched hard knocks himself a six million dollar man and I was like wow that's a bonus okay so it's to be a first round pick I'll always get those flashbacks to certain moments it I actually have been through I've experienced that I'm watching on the TV screen stand where you coaching these days I'm here in the bay area so yeah yeah so but at the end of that little montage day show and Tonio Brown good I ain't got no issue kind of like what he said like how some of you you're too good not even hear what I'm saying to try to help you out help you make this team on the fifty three man roster cuts will find out who makes this team for the raiders I also throughout on twitter to get some reaction from the fans and you know here's something I didn't know IOS and they're on the right side light goes I love doing dos right so I think you can see gruden talking really really well about this guy why it is that they they like him while there and then he's got a good shot at making this fifty three and then you see in that singing portion Jonathan Abram comes out and the clock on what are you doing all thank you it's one of the better private schools here in Houston in our biggest rival so I'm fired a four and we wish you well be exciting final preseason game goes down against the seahawks miles and I will be checking in with you and find miles on twitter at miles ace Amon Stan is at as because me now being a high school football coach I talked to like I talked to a lot of my players as well but also I just remembered those types of coaches is your big moment here in hard knocks okay this small it's wanting to really stood out to me it was just so absurd so nation APP on Vegas Nation Dot Com at review journal dot com slash podcast or anywhere else so you find your podcast we're brought to you by sports mobile by state he had to weird moment to have but I don't understand why Antonio Brown was leading all those people climb on trump as very magnanimous him stan since casino and we will be back next Tuesday for the final episode of hard knocks don't forget to check in with us this coming Thursday as the raiders may be your last time they were putting on Nfl Jersey plain and simple and there's a

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Hard Knocks Raiders: Ep. 4 Recap

Vegas Nation - Raiders Football

21:48 min | 2 years ago

Hard Knocks Raiders: Ep. 4 Recap

"They give nation presented by s._d._n. Sports mobile from station casinos. Maybe hard match actual come and cover that that'd be awesome wouldn't what i think it does. It opens up the world to show us who we really are. A._b._c.'s character dare car the character so i just think this is exciting for people to see what team we have reason you go away and training camp to get away from all the distractions far knox's intrusion. It was handed to so it's up to us to deal with it. Everyone tidy thing here along with our raiders beat writer miles simmons and former raiders quarterback stan route and this is the vegas nation in hard knocks podcast. We brought to you by sports. Mobile stations casino make sure to subscribe to vegas nation and get on vegas nation dot com to follow all all of your raiders news download the vegas nation apt to keep up with everything silver and black. You can also find this podcast on review journal dot com slash podcast sir anywhere else you download your shows from drop us a comment. Let us know what you think. We love hearing what you have to say out there raider nation knock on wood if you're with me. That's how we've heard things jon gruden yeah knock on wood if you're with me guys for this season hard knocks here. We are this next episode that we saw here on tuesday night. We see antonio brown back. He's looking like he's all in miles. You've been on this bead. Where do we stand right now with antonio brown well yeah. I have an having so i'm kidding. He's he's there hughes with the team. <hes> as far as i i know practice warming up with the team of for tuesday so he is back you know we have the all in or all out thing last week and they document that on last week's episode every day impact things have been just fine with <hes> the raiders antonio brown so i guess they're all good and my we also saw a little bit here at the end of this episode of the glennon peterman saga. It really looks like right now. Gruden is is kind of loving. Nathan peterman thought glennon was the guy <hes>. Where do you think ingredients head right now. He stands between these two quarterbacks. Yes he has interesting. I tend to think that my glennon will be the backup quarterback but i'm certainly more more that they could keep three quarterbacks on the fifty retrieve man roster it just seemed like and i mean perhaps the playing even more for the hired knock show but it really seems like gruden likes the way things are going with nathan peterman. He seems to think that he can continue to mentor this kid. Push this kid off and and make sure that he become a viable n._f._l. Quarterback arkansas's of one death throes five interceptions in the first half of the game right. I think from that dam pointy you might keep nathan peterman around if you're gonna get if you're gonna keep through quarterbacks the i i think because of one and experience because they have played him as much <hes> the last couple of games. I think they're going to keep going but i think that they could keep peterman shoe so yeah stand. I wanted to ask from your perspective when you see a guy guy like nathan peterman whose first impression was not a good one and the n._f._l. As miles mentioned he had thrown five picks in the first half of a game that he came into with with the bills. Now we're seeing the gruden. I guess effort of trying to mold him into a quarterback who can hold his own. That's not turning over the football. Do you think there is a chance that we see him kept on this raiders roster and do you think that there's a chance for him to redeem himself in this league. Take a chance under a demon so because that's the thing about this league like you know all depends on just where you can fit with the right scheme. I think what a lot of people don't. I don't understand it that within this lead you have obviously you're stood. You got the j._j. Watt you got your aaron. Rodgers adrian peterson randy the mall's people like that but what a lot of people don't understand. It didn't look in this league most players and when i say most i'm talking about. I'd say eighty five to ninety percent. Maybe even a little bit more than that about ninety. Five ninety percent of the guide in this league needs to be in the right setting the right system the right skiing for them to flourish. There's another guy it's like i said they can go and play in any team and they can thrive but for the majority they need to be in the right scheme for them to thrive otherwise they're gonna look like an average player and i think with jon gruden beans still that bursts of the quarterback whispered there's so many people have have given him that moniker mccurry over the years. I think that there's any spot in the n._f._l. That he can go and basically rehab his image of the thought process and everybody thinking about about him around the me the place to do it in oakland california and the best thing i love about this you mentioned that the the quarterbacks and the grooming gruden as we know he used to hold that quarterback. I can't remember mike glennon was actually a part of that and i remember gruden talking about his pocket presence and him being this big imposing frame team and then how he can really adjust himself in the pocket to have that kind of presence and stature to stand up the way he does. I dislike. I go back to the past on things like this sometimes but <hes> you know basically when you're looking at this battle right now the possibility of them keeping. I don't know i it. It seems feasible really that they do keep three but when you have all these guys on the bubble something i really liked about this hard knocks a ah hard knocks show was cars stepping up with marcel eightman and talking about going the full hundred during practice. I think that speech was something that a veteran karen needs to do the leader. The team needs to do stand from your perspective. How many times did you see an instance like that on your team. When you were with the raiders and see a guy really step up and to tell another guy hey man you got to put in the full effort yeah that happened to me a couple of times in a couple of different instances off the top of my head that i can think of whether it was from randy moss or charles looking or warren sack or just a couple of the older guys. Maybe even a knob diaspora the law denard walker joey porter. I'm sorry jerry toward a nudge get mixed up. I think that is committed. Is it's imperative on a team that you have leaders in that you have the older guy had the kind of show the younger guys way and it could even be a coach like like i love how the episode opened up with brenston buckner basically given the d. line that cold hard taught in a lot of times of the young god. That's what you need. Whether it's from a coach or player <hes> a lot of times you come into this thing that you know everything that you already got it made and every now again you need that with kicking the pants to remind you bet hey you're still a rookie. You're still young. He's still earn your keep and you need to go ahead and do the little things a b and c that where you can actually get to the other side in prove yourself is a proven player. Throughout the throughout the team earned the trust on your teammate and other teams. If you decide to let the team decides he traded you or they cut you something like that. You always want to make sure that your speaks for itself in how you how you approached the game being that professional. That's what it's all about because of the end of the day the n._f._l. Is a business and the job and everybody knows how to play football. Everybody does but not everybody knows how to be professional and i think that forbear car to go ahead and do that that shows i think i think a lot of growth in a lot of leadership in him and i think that for hard knocks to pick that up death off you're gonna show all the fans exactly what type of player on this eighteen jeez become taking on that role this episode of vegas nation. We'll be right back s._d._n. Sports is the oldies sports sports betting app. You need this season. Sign up today and get a new sign up bonus of up to fifty dollars miles. We're looking at a lot out of these bubble. Guys here on hard knocks in this particular episode when they were in winnipeg. Okay wait first of all with winnipeg miles. We know about the yard field that they played it on. But what did you think about john gruden's reaction when he got in there and he's talking to the refs and the officials about this field field and just the look on his face. I mean what did you make john gruden's reaction to all of this what it wasn't surprising seeing it in that because that that was kind of his reaction after the game i mean he was saying you know. All the eighty aren't feel. I don't know i i was perfectly fine. You'll have to rename packers about ah so i mean to see you know dropping bombs about the field and how you can understand how people get off the bus then then something's wrong with field and then they don't want it was not that surprising to me. I think is just grew personality right like we see these things and not having seen on t._v. For years years and years of monday night football and then you go back with first graders and they can't for such a long time you know the feeling of why jon gruden has the shocking nick name white fat right there absolutely and then you saw a little bit more chucky when he's talking about luke wilson or win. Cabinda's have been dismissing tackles there and allowing conversion on third down <hes> you know when we look at these players and we get to know more about them. Somebody like jason cabinda. I and we get to see his mother out. There and mama been a noser football and she's out there cheering for her son and even talking about some of the missteps in the game so when you see somebody not like this guy in his back story and you wonder what the chances are that he makes this fifty three man roster with the performance that he put in in the game in winnipeg against the packers. Do you think jason cabinda will make this fifty three man roster probably not and i i'll put it this way. I you know you're not somebody that it stood out to me in the weeks that i have covered the team much so you know we see him featured on hard knocks. It's like wait. A minute will feature during this guy and you know he's. He's got a great back story. Modestly you know you have somebody who's called mom and then vom feel-good story from it and then you see them at the gain. Uh most over those things are great but at the end of the day it's like i think when they were showing a montage of then nothing nothing things up. I think that's more of the picture that you get from somebody like that especially in the linebacker <hes> more interesting more than you get the picture picture of him. You know doing things very well because i don't like. I said he has not stood out to me very much under that. He didn't have any place so i think he'd be. One of the you guys you really have to have a great game against the seahawks on thursday to real negative push and another one that i was looking at in this particular episode luke wilson wilson he was at home in canada and he was somebody who was a former seahawk last year he was at the lions he seemed to struggled a <hes> jump in his routes a little bit he was out there and it was put himself out and he got hit right away because he jumped on the route so <hes> san when you're a defender and you see somebody like that just kinda good out there a little early in jumping the gun how tasty is after you as a defender exist to get out and to shove him off the route and kill the play and you love that anytime you can go ahead and get somewhat of a of an advantage on the field. You're definitely gonna take it so u._s._b. Let's be defensive back whether it's in preseason or whether it's just in practice you can go ahead and get an advantage on another player whether teammate or an opponent. You're only going to take thank you. I think little things like that chandy. What actually steal somebody's faith in the preseason when they're trying to make the team and do you think for luke wilson after the reaction action that you saw from jon gruden. Do you think that he makes his team. I think it's gonna be tough. I really do anything is possible like i said i have. I've not watched all of the raiders practices. I have not seen every ounce of film that a display in the preseason versus the rams or the packers or the car or not. I think he's going to be another one of those guys and it's gonna come down to this final game night against the seattle and the thing is for a lot of players if you're not that bona fide started where we already know he's going to be the start whether derek carr and tony brown whether it's a young kid and i just shake it was gonna make the team just because he was the first round or by cleveland feral or jonathan abrams a lot of times it all oh come down to special teams. Can this help if donald special teams can't go and run down. They don't kick off or punt or can actually go ahead and rush. The honor. Hopefully hopefully somebody that can get in there and get a blog things like this. I think that luke wilson is going to be one of those. Players is is gonna come down to the very last second as far as whether he makes the team or not but i don't think that it's going to be a definitive is gonna make pain or <hes> in definitive or just an unequivocal. He's he's not gonna make the team as well. He's going to be one of those guys where it just from down to the intangible about special teams. Do we like him. It was like how professionally the poster gain kenny mentioned the young guys and i think that's really what <hes> what this weekend is going to be about after the final preseason games but why they like to get all the players out of the buildings give him the weekend off so go and make those tough decisions and that being august thirty first one thing i think is definitive. Though is that keelan. Alan doss will have a roster spot on this team. Knock on wood. If you're with me i love what i saw. Keelan dasa the discipline getting his toes inside keeping inbounds making difficult catches. I've been so impressed with what i've seen from keelan. Dos and you know granted miles. I haven't been up at camp as long as you have day in day out watching these guys. I just thought the times that i did see keelan doc. He is such a student of the game he pays such attention to detail to the little nuances of the game and then he's got that natural ability that you just can't can't teach of knowing where to zone in knowing where to place himself to make these plays. What do you think about keelan dos yeah i agree with you. I think he really good man. It's interesting whenever we use a wide receiver. Go as an undrafted free agent. You know this. They've got a big pretty big. Kill the climb in order to make that initial social fifty three man roster but i think that he's done it. I mean you see with this hard. Knocks episode gruden fan. I like you and off and then after his cats toes rose and they're on the right side light goes. I love you on dos right so i think you conceive gruden talking really really about this guy because he continues to make plays. He's making plays like he was drafted in the second or third round not like he was an undrafted free agent so this guy may have been a big steel. Whoa actually what i think is really interesting though they really wanted to dos because as you note is when they are asking these guys they go off <hes> and they're about to sing their songs or whatever whatever the team getting you know. They go name position. Signing bonus etc talked about buying bonus. I think he's a twenty two twenty three thousand. This is thing indicate amount amount of money that you have allotted for undrafted free agents sort of all in this pool right so we use that amount of money to get one one guy in it shows how much aid they wanted him and be that this is a guy made. You should have been drafted so from that standpoint. I think you understand why it is that they they like him while he's touted good shot at making this fifty three and then you see that singing portion jonathan abram comes himself a six million dollar man and i was like wow that's a bonus okay so first round pick. Ah yes it does so. Tell me guys in this episode. A hard knocks was the top moment for you with the singing. Was it any particular replay. Was it even for me. I'm gonna give you mine and i hope i'm not stealing anybody's luke wilson asking or talking to. I think it was foster. Moreau and saying is drake's bigger or wayne gretzky bigger and canada. They lock hockey hudson or the hip hop mogul. I mean for me. I've gotta go a gretzky because i'm just a sport sound i again see how drake right now i guess i guess there's a competition there but for me. It's gotta be wayne gretzky if you're going with. Who's the biggest guy in canada for you miles. What is your big moment here. In hard knocks okay missile small mama. It's one that really stood out to me because it was just so absurd so at at the end of the episode right you got tonio brown at this high school football game adele style and the i don't know how much people know about the assault with their great high school football program. I'm here in the bay area so yeah yeah so but at the end of that little montage they show until the brown <hes> basically on top his lambeau truck and all these people were crawling on the lambo trump you earn if that's my lambeau truck. You better back the bleep aw uh-huh with me all all thank you know maybe adds a weird moment to have but i don't understand why antonio brown was leading. All those people climb on top as very magnanimous of him stan. It was your as well as your best standout moment here of this episode outcrop. I have to go with how they opened up the scene for the machine with <hes> brenston bugner he was telling those guys some real live coach to player. You know what he was telling the real. He wasn't trying to go in basically put but off camera. That's how coaches really talked to the young guy or just all the the entire group during training camp basically letting them know hey guys. A lot of this may be your last time. They were putting on n._f._l. Jersey plain and simple and there's a lot of you that you simply you know coach talking to me. I do this and this but you know i'm good. I ain't got no issues like what he said like how some of the you're too good not even hear what i'm saying to try to help you out help you make this team and he said i love each and everyone all anywhere but i did but some of the i hate your football. Hey your approach to the game and to me that resonates with me number one because me now being a high school football coach i talked to like i talked to a lot of my players as well but also i just remembered those types of coaches ranch ranch back in my plane days where there was training camp or whether it was preseason even during the season things like that so anytime i watched hard knocks. I always get those slash back to certain moments that i actually have been through. I've experienced <hes> that i'm watching on the t._v. Screen stan where you coaching these days saint saint thomas i out here in houston appreciate. You got never heard of it. It's a private school out here. We actually have our first game this friday. <hes> again straight jesuit <hes> it's one of the better private schools here in houston in our biggest rival so i'm fired a four and we wish you well be exciting big. Go ahead and of course oh absolutely and this is also going to be a big week here as again august thirty first. We'll come up on on the fifty. Three man roster cuts will find out who makes this team for the raiders. I also throughout on twitter to get some reaction from the fans and you know here's something i didn't know our marcus marcus fifty nine says they he can't comment on this episode because it's not on h._b._o. Go yet. That's a bummer. I was hoping everybody able to pitch anew we'll see they get those episodes loaded up and for the latest on vegas nation here and are hard knocks podcasts. You can go find those again on the vegas nation app on vegas nation dot com at review journal dot com slash podcast anywhere else so you find your podcast. We're brought to you by sports mobile by stations since casino and we will be back next tuesday for the final episode of hard knocks. Don't forget to check in with us. This coming thursday as the raiders final final preseason game goes down against the seahawks miles and i will be checking in with you and find miles on twitter at miles ace. Amon stan is at as route twenty six and i met heidi fang. Thank you so much everybody for listening <music>.

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Raiders beat the Rams as Nate Hobbs shines

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21:05 min | 3 weeks ago

Raiders beat the Rams as Nate Hobbs shines

"Locals no the espn. Sports app is the most trusted sports betting that nevada they have convenient sign up locations across las vegas download. The espn sports app today. Download to get a bonus up to five hundred dollars setup. Anybody convenient locations vegas nation sponsored by station casinos s. in sports. Download the app and get a bonus five hundred dollars when you sign up. It's time for another vegas nation podcast. It's the raiders post game edition. Starting now welcome everybody to the post game edition of vegas nation. Podcast it's your host here. Heidi fang and joined with our readers. Beat writer vinnie. Bonsignore whose down in los angeles for the rams and readers with the raiders. Just took over and beat the rams seventeen to sixteen the final score. This podcast is brought to you by station casinos as sports. Download the app today and get up to a five hundred dollar bonus when you sign up and joining me now to talk all about. It is our raiders. Beat writer vinnie. Bonsignore. whose down in los angeles. You've been down there throughout the scrimmages vinnie. You've been there for the seventeen to sixteen win. I've got to ask right off the top. Because i know this is what everybody's been so excited about in these. Preseason games nate. Hobbs man would have been your impressions of the cornerback. Nate hop honestly. I have to say that it goes all the way back draft night of for me that first time that we talked to him i believe it was on zoom call or just maybe even a phone call and he just he he. There was a presence about him a demeanor about him. That really stood out does what he said talking about kind of having that chip on their shoulder where he came from it was a it was a guy that was kind of easy to root for from that perspective but there was also something that sort of broke through about him the person and the human being and so when he showed up in ot as he stood out and then in training camp for sure he's been standing out is first two preseason games making various. Plays last week with the big sack this week at a really nice read and tackle on a four yard loss on a screen pass. He almost had another sack. Forced to third down incompletion Mixed the big play on the interception after playing one snap at outside cornerback. The raiders needed him to play outside cornerback because of some injuries so they just put him in their late in the game and he comes up with a huge interception so he just keeps making plays in. He ended up getting a game ball out today. Jon gruden tall his afterwards. I never do that. In a preseason game but i wanted to give thirty nine game ball for everything he did tonight. And i think it's also a reward for what he's been doing throughout training camp. How telling is this that you feel like maybe he solidified that starting role there while you know. Here's the thing Jon isn't afraid to play young players. Nfl coaches nowadays are not averse to playing young players. If you step on in the program and show that you belong and show you can make plays and show that you could be counted on. You're gonna get an opportunity in jon. Gruden said this. I can't remember when he said it but it was during. Oj's the best guys are gonna play period than matter if your fifth round pick and undrafted free agent a first round. Pick a veteran a rookie. Whatever the case might be whoever shows in training camp and in practice that they're the best option at any particular position. They're going to get that role and they odds so far has been showing that he's the best player. One i mean honestly has been one of the best players in the secondary regardless of age position of roles responsibilities. He's done everything that the raiders have asked him to do from a run support. Standpoint pashas standpoint a pass defense standpoint versatility standpoint. There's a lot to like about thirty nine. I want to pick your brain about some more. Rookies particularly alex leatherwood. He seems to be really holding his own there on the line. What if he'd been your impressions of this offensive. Tackle felt early on the in. Tonight's him. The raiders made it a point to run his side and early. You know that those first couple of drives that second drive air breaking off some nice gains running off his. You know his right side so that's where they want to run. That's what this run game Part of this run game was predicated on his that zone. Run to the right and alexander word. I thought you know kind of you had a good game last week but there were some fundamental mistakes and a couple of missteps mentally. You're always looking in the coaches always talking about this cleaning that up getting better on a daily basis and improving from your mistakes and i felt like he played a pretty clean game tonight So that's what the raiders are looking for. Just keep getting better And it felt like he took a another positive step tonight with a good clean performance and the running back friend. There's been some names popping up that raised some eyebrows in week one. Bj emmons trae rigas now this week. They didn't really accumulate a lot of yards on the ground. Total thirty five between the two of them eight carries for bj emmons and six for trae rigas for just a pinup of one yard. But he did score that touchdown. I wanted to get your take on how you think that running back three position is kinda shaking out and where these to stand right now in the mix especially after the second preseason game as far as the arts ago i put that moore on the offensive line after that first quarter even maybe toward the end of the first quarter it was strictly third stringers. That was that were in there Mixed in with john simpson's probably going to be a second string guy. If not you know when a when a starting role but but by the time you know it got to that second quarter it was just a real mixed batch along the offensive line and there were times where they were just flat out getting beat by the rams so the yardage wasn't so much on the running backs. His more on the offense alignment have interesting decision. Now jon gruden mentioned it. They don't know how much longer dalen rashard is going to be out so somebody if that bleeds over to the start of the regular season somebody has to be that third running back and a adams's played pretty well. I thought you s by Has played reasonably well. And i think that both are showing Maybe as a third down back yoyo this early in their career playing behind you know when the when the starting offense aligned gets out there that that they could be relied on as a third down back so it'll be an interesting decision moving forward and obviously jalen 's health or lack there of is gonna play a big role on that. And i'm gonna keep going through asking you about impressions of guys here but darius filon has that block at the end of the field goal block and he also was able to make some big plays. He's kind of been a work in progress. I feel like a returning to the fold if you will the nfl. So what's your take here on. How he looked tonight and where he might be making a name for himself on this team if any well And again. Jon gruden mentioned this. The writers have to figure out a way to get to the quarterback from the interior. It's been a problem for a few years now and between filon and in jefferson. solomon thomas you know and johnathan hankins And the guy the guys they have signed darius filon They feel like they're going to be a much better position to create some havoc on the along the interior in the interior So i think there's there's you know filon to me also played very well as far as You know getting getting after the passer a little bit or creating some pass rush at tonight's kimmel vickers was also In that mix. So there's there's a lot of bodies a lot of names a lot of versatility a lot of different skill set And they're just trying right now to kind of find that mixed. I think various filon is going to be in the rotation and probably a bunch of different Physicians in that interior and so a make robertson is another guy that i'm curious about just because we've seen a make some plays here but you know he seems to be kind of fighting to stay on this fifty three man roster from what we've seen here in the preseason so i wanted to get your take on what you've seen out of a meek robertson. Will he have a place on. This team I think i think so. And i think that you know especially the start. The season he has never lost in Is it going to be available for the first two games of the year. So about a meek held his own tonight There was a nice pass. Break up That i think he thought he probably should've had an interception on it but he made a nice pass break up on a deep ball along the sidelines He made a nice tackle last week. Against the seahawks So you know. I think that he got. He practiced pretty well against the rams. So was he a shoe in to make this team coming into training camp. I wouldn't say that But has improved his position. I think so and there's also been some injuries as well At cornerback and like we mentioned never lost is not gonna be a here for the first two games of the season that creates govern opening. But you know keep an eye on also isaiah johnson. He's coming back this week. They're expected to get onto the field and get a look at him so on as as i mentor. Jon gruden you know that bubble is getting bigger and bigger and it's a good problem to have that you're starting to talk about pretty decent players that might that might be on the outside looking in that bubble. Mozambique last really say that about the writers where they might be making some hard cuts in which players leave the building. He mentioned some injuries. There vinnie on when we come back from a quick break. I want to get all the updates on some of these injuries. That happen particularly one tonight. 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Make sure you're finding applications from people with skills you need get started right now with a seventy five dollars sponsored job credit to upgrade your job post and indeed dot com slash blue wire. Get a seventy five dollars. Credit at indeed dot com slash blue wire indeed dot com slash blue wire offer valid through september thirtieth terms and conditions. Apply welcome back to the biggest nation. Podcast tidy thing in vinnie bonsignore. He's down in l. A. and recapping the seventeen to sixteen win that the raiders had over the rams and in the victory. Any there was an injury that i think some people wanna know an update on jason white house. Severe was this. He came out on crutches with his knee. A with ice on it in the fourth quarter to keep a lookout so everyone looked at that as a positive sign that maybe he's not as severely injured as you might think but it was there any update from gruden. What do we know about this injury concerned. It was what he is now. He described it and wouldn't delve into anything beyond that doesn't want to overstate things or understate. Things are wrong prognosis But safe to say that. They're concerned about jason light and You know it's another blow Right now even no matter how much time he might miss it. Looks like he's gonna miss at least some time That's on top of nicholas morrow. Who suffered a foot injury on thursday against the rams and he might be a few weeks That might be a few weeks situation. Nik witkowski hird. Let's get back out of field at some point this week. so you know. You're starting to talk about a linebacker grew. That's getting pushed to the limit here so at one point do the raiders potentially think about looking outside the building to bring in reinforcements. So we know that k. J. right Came through for a visit In henderson a couple of weeks ago he left without a contract but Is time to maybe make a college to Take aj right to maybe shore up that position and okay. So other injuries incognito. What have we heard about him You mentioned more row there. But i also wanted to see about the severity of. What's going on with richie. Incognito looks like a calf strain the raiders are hoping that he's going to be back for the for the opener They don't think it's that serious but it's on an injury that they wanna play around with so You know we're three weeks out of the of the season opener. He's gonna miss at least a week. It sounds like so the question becomes you know Is going to be able to get back in time to suit up against the baltimore ravens in week. one depth comes in the hand Comes in handy. Because they're certainly not gonna gonna gonna push him This early in the season. So we'll see. They hope that he's going be back for the season opener But it's to be determined permanent. And i wanted to touch on malcolm coons just because he had left the game as well at the same time jalen did but returned to the game. So that's obviously you know. Just maybe a little singer got little roughed up. But he's back but he was kind of impressive in this game and malcolm coons has been like all over the place as far as where they kinda were thinking. I think originally where to place him and then now where he's going into game. So what do you think about malcolm coons and maybe like the versatile piece that he is yet. I think malcolm Wants some points tonight. You know he got Took a little bit injury really on the same play. That javan white got hurt And so he limped off the field and didn't know what his status was going to be. All of a sudden fifty one was back on the field. Making some players finished the game strong. And you're talking to jon gruden afterwards. the fact that he fought his way back into that game and didn't live at let. That injury sidelined him for the remainder of the game. Coaches dick notice of that teammates technology to that he wasn't gonna let that be the end of his night. He wanted to get back on the field and as it turns out he made some pretty nice players when he was out there so Thought a good strong finish to this game in spite of the fact that he wasn't he's obviously a little bit dinged up but didn't let that be the reason. Why eating it back out there right so there. You have it for all the different injuries. Everybody that came on and impress now. Vinnie i'm gonna ask you a tough question. Who will you kinda underwhelmed by that you feel like might. Just be on that bubble on the You know in preseason getting rabs may be kind of losing stock as far as making a spot for themselves whether on the practice squad or the fifty three man roster or that. The raiders When they went to That cannot third-string offensive line. Didn't look all that gets at point at certain points so you know. i think they're. They're pretty happy with what they have in terms of that starting five. Alex leatherwood You know colin miller richie incognito andre james Play tonight johnson and denzel good But who's going to be. That swing tackle is going to be brandon parker You know who's who's gonna step up behind Simpson and behind Nick martin who who's also i think the team while center slash guard by as far as those backup tackles. You know who's going to be that guy that they're going to be able to keep on this roster at least two guys and believe that they're going to be able to hold down the fort if an injury or card. I'm not so sure that The raiders have that guy right now to be honest with you. And so that'll be a position that i think is going to be worth monitoring moving forward to see if if they if they do have something. That's what always brings You know the question to me is is denzel. Good better suited as a super sub. A guy that can fill in at guard a guy that you could feel pretty comfortable out there at tackle from time to time if an injury were to happen or is he better suited just being. You're starting right guard. I don't know The way the backup backup tackles played tonight. Felt a little shaky up there already. Keelan dos is a guy. I wanted to ask about because see somebody that's been on their practice squad A couple of times here with the raiders but had like a kind of a tip often nathan peterman pass got intercepted that affect his stock and on the flip side. Marcel eightman had a great catch. For a touchdown. Gave the raiders. The go ahead touchdown Would ended up being the winning touchdown. So i wanted to find out from you. Where do you think these two guys might be fitting in with this team in making the roster. Well it's to me. It's going to be a little bit tougher. Both those guys you know you keep seven with you. Keep seven wide receivers reform if you keep eight than one of a mixed team I i think john ron's going gonna make it. I think willie snead makes it. You know i think obviously hunter renfro Brian edwards henry rugs zeta-jones that six. Who am i missing As john brown right so so. Let's kinda get john brown under renfro. Willie snead Henry rods brian edwards. Zeta-jones that six wide receivers are you going to keep a seven you know. And that's worry either. Eight men or dos of the play or do you just stick with sex. you know. that's that's that's an interesting question have because here's the other part of it you know. There's a lot of defensive lineman that are that are kind of showing up right now. So maybe you can create some room by not carrying as many wide receivers And saving yourself a spot along the defensive line so But if it was come down to a seventh wide receiver you know. Obviously it comes down to eight men and and dawson that's going to be a kind of a flip of the coin right. There are vinnie. My final thought. I just wanna get from. You is what do you think this team will do. Going forward into the forty niner game For their third preseason and final preseason game do you think we see more of a mix at the starters. No i don't You don't have to what happened tonight and this week with some of these injuries Also in talking to jon gruden you know. There's there's there's some guys fighting for jobs. And i think he wants to give them as ferret. Chances possible to get out there next week and make their final case Make their final argument for a position on the team. Somewhere somehow someway. So i think that maybe marcus mariota gets on the field. He was sold at banged up. Wasn't able to to play tonight. If he's if he's physically able he'll go out there But beyond that you know. I think that there's some guys that they're gonna wanna look at eight. Weather's there's people that they wanna just keep healthy flat out and then there's some guys that they want to give a fair chance at so i think that probably means they're leaning toward not playing their starters all right great stuff. So we'll have you covered again with the raiders and the forty niners next sunday and keep up with everything that we're doing with big is nation dot com. Check out all of everything they've any has put out in print as well and if you wanna find him he's on twitter at vinnie bonsignore. So for vinnie. Finish all the things that are doing out there. That stadium enjoy los angeles back. We'll be back soon. Checkout person ten also coming up at the start of the week to catch up. Vinnie and sam gordon on their podcast. And we've got you covered three times a week with all of your podcast takeaways wednesday and then unsportsmanlike conduct on friday. So once again for vinnie. I'm heidi thank you for listening locals. No the espn. 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Just Pod Baby-Episode 20: 53-man roster, biggest roster snubs, and practice squad

Silver & Black Pride

29:21 min | 2 years ago

Just Pod Baby-Episode 20: 53-man roster, biggest roster snubs, and practice squad

"When you have great coaches then after the great coaches you get great players have a great organization and you tell them one thing just window they do uh-huh. Let's go wrote a little show and welcome the just just pod baby with your host evan. Grow your home for raiders news notes and information you can follow me on twitter at five and you can check out more my work over silver and black pride dot com <hes>. It's been a fast and furious twenty four hours. I'm not sure if you were able to keep up with all the news. I know that i've had some trouble but cuts were made players. I have been waved and then resign. It's been a wild ride so far at the moment. The roster is currently set with fifty three men but expect things would be very fluid here in the next couple fool of days as gruden <unk> continue to tinker with this roster now. Let's get right into it. Here's the raiders initial fifty three man roster blue fortitude to sit high starting with the quarterback position drew gidwitz seen more and more likely as the preseason isn't went on and that was keep three quarterbacks both mike glennon in peterman made the squad much to the dismay of the fan base gruden's by getting killed off there on twitter but if he asked me gruden told us this a couple of weeks ago in a press conference. He said that he generally likes to keep doing quarterbacks last year being the exception to that rule and that's exactly what he did so he wasn't gonna stray too far from that philosophy of keeping three quarterbacks early on i thought it was blended that was clearly peterman. <hes> but peterman was very steady ready all throughout the preseason especially games three and four and i really think that's where peterman gained some ground in that battle on glennon at the end of the day. I think gruden seems seems to have a thing for peterman that he's made very public. He has said all along. He likes peterman. He thinks he's very talented so he definitely was not lying about that. As i mentioned the fan base was not thrilled about the idea of keeping three quarterbacks while guess what guys the raiders claimed the fourth quarterback off waivers that's right. It's probably the old news to you now. By the time you're listening to this recording but the raiders did claim dish sean kaiser off of waivers he's the newest member of the raiders quarterback quarterback room and and this is a bit of a head scratcher at the moment maybe gruden in may i have something up their sleeves <hes> but at the moment carrying four quarterbacks on a team team with many holes on the roster still seems very odd <hes> but again if you've been keeping up with the news it does sound like he possibly bleat glennon or peterman could could be on the move so so stay tune in continue to follow that story <hes> as things develop sean kaiser is a two thousand seventeen second round pick of the peeling brown's. If you remember he did make fifteen starts in his rookie year and it was a a year to forget for the browns as well as <unk> going owen fifteen in those starts with only eleven touchdowns to twenty three interceptions not exactly stellar numbers. He spent last season as the backup to aaron rodgers in green bay until he was waived by the team <hes> yesterday so <hes> <hes> you know in my opinion. This is a case of again gruden <hes> having an infatuation for quarterbacks believing that can can fix these guys and you know he sees a player. That's very talented like kaiser great measurable. He's tall. He's got a strong arm. He's an athletic guy in gruden. Just wants to see if you can get the most out of him so again. Stay tuned to see how this quarterback ordeal plays out <hes>. Why would the running backs. There wasn't a whole lot of drama. We know doug. Martin was let go a few days ago so that pretty much much cemented it with josh jacobs jalen chard and andre washington as your three headed backfield going into the two thousand nineteen season de'andre washington washington really had an impressive preseason. He shined early on in the first game scoring two touchdown on the on the first drive there and he never really looked back. He looked great. All camp great all preseason from what i saw in he really <hes> earned his position this year. It's going to be josh jacobs folks. He's the guy who's going to lead this group group and we're going to see exactly how much work he can handle no. He never really had to take on a very large workload at alabama so <hes> he he should be tested early on. I'm just how much again can handle. There was a battle that <hes> for the job and that was one of the more intriguing battles of of the camp and it was undrafted free agent alec ingold who was the winner over veteran keith smith and i was a big time alex ingold supporter. I put an article out there on silver and black pride dot com <hes> with my reasons. Why i fell in gold was a better option for the raiders in gold was a member of of the gruden coach team at the senior bowl. He made a very good impression on gruden in his staff and just continued to impress all throughout s. He arrived at training camp and into the preseason. I'm especially excited about angled because i just think he added an element that we just haven't seen from our full-back back in recent years especially not from from keith smith as his time out short time as raider ingold has great hands. He can run catch which he can be a goal line threat. He also take carry the ball <hes> he can block and not to mention he he flashed through during the preseason on special teams. I had a chance to go back and look at some of his college highlights in all those those are highlights. I was very impressed on what i saw from his time at wisconsin. We're going to keep this thing rolling with the wide receiver position. One of the more notable position roster battles going on at raiders. Training camp was the wide receiver position. We knew who the locks were a._b. Tyrel williams hunter renfro dwayne harris as of primary kick return and punt turner but beyond that we really didn't know how many would be kept or who those players would be what we found out there were several guys who were very deserving after strong camps in preseason but when the dust settled bruton may decide to go with six wide receivers brown williams renfro harris ryan grant in j._j. A._j. nelson gruden loves his veterans and he showed us that once again with the decision to go with the veteran wide receivers over some of the younger guys training winning camp darlene in alameda native keelan loss keelan. Dos excuse me who many fans felt had done enough <hes> to make the team was left outside looking in marcel eight min kion hatcher rico gathered all had very good. <hes> preseason all made plays but again the position <hes> it's very <music> deep in the competition was tough so they were they were sent packing as well <hes> more about some of those guys later in the show titan no surprises at this position the raiders will go with three tight ends darren waller rookie foster moreau en- derek carrier on your readers tight ends this year jaren waller. We've heard a lot a lot about him. Gruden loves them. <hes> he's athletic. He's big. He's fast. He's making a lot of plays in training camp and he's got big shoes to fill. He's got very are you big shoes to fill <hes> that were left by by jared cook as well as a lot of production cook was cars go to wide receiver last year. <hes> not only was his. He has security blanket but he was <hes>. The raiders lean receiver so big shoes down during waller to fill he. He seems like he's up to the task. He's a seems like a very likable guy from what you've seen from him on hard knocks and you know we can. We can only hope for the best from him. We're going to finish is things off on the offensive side the ball would be ole linemen ten offense alive and made the team which seems like a lot right now but keep in mind both starting guards will not be starting the year with the team richie incognito will be serving two game suspension engage jackson. We nursing that mc l. injury back to health slam dunks were breath tackles colton miller and trent brown center rodney hudson who just signed a extension making him the highest paid center in the league in very well deserving lean extension at that he's one of the best centers in the league and now the raiders have two of the more <hes> two of the highest played officer linemen after positions with trump trent brown and rodney hudson denzel good jordan debbie <hes> david sharp jonathan cooper brandon parker worker in another undrafted free agent andre jeans round out the ten offense lineman. <hes> parker was a guy who who might up on the bubble. Double did not impress very much throughout preseason. <hes> thought possibly could have went to the practice squad or possibly. Even you know spend cut <hes> so there you have it. There's a ton of offensive lineman expect some changes to that group wants incognito in jackson return jumping over to the defense of side of the ball starring in the trenches with defensive line couple surprises here one of the fan favorites throughout the preseason undrafted free agent. Antony rush did not make the tree and was waived. Rush was dominant all throughout the preseason games and many including the local beat writers had pencil then too many of their three man roster projections but <hes> it just didn't happen make may i did speak with the media in inside that they did really they. They were high in rush but they just felt he was still very raw and just decided it wasn't wasn't in the cards for the moment. Luckily for the raiders russian made it through waivers and he was signed to the practice squad. Now i'll get more into the details of the practice squad and just a bit just analysis was placed on injured reserve ending his season p._j. Hall made the cut after a quiet camp in hall was another guy who who was thought to possibly be on the roster bubble <hes> but you know having spent a second second round pick on him last year. It was probably a little bit too early to give up on him or to move him to the practice. Squad probably wouldn't have made it there. Anyhow so gruden is going to give him another shot and i hope he does well with that shot because i do p._j. Hall and i think he can be a very good player for this defense josh moral who originally made the team <hes> but was released when the team added <hes> sean kaiser sunday afternoon so that was kind of a bizarre moved there mara was being talked about as a possible starter on the other side opposite of feeling feral but battled injuries throughout training camp and was just never really able to stay healthy until the final preseason game so raiders are moving on from him. The the remainder of the defensive line looks like this cleveland feral maurice hurst jonathan hankins corey lee jit max crosby arden key and benson mayawati iowa so again definitely still a work in progress and <hes> nowhere near where they need to be right now. It's be curious to see who starts opposite of cleland farrell gerald my guest right now would would be benson <hes> so we'll see. Keep an eye on that. Stay tuned all right. Let's talk linebackers. The linebacker position continues to be the weak link on this raiders roster year after year after year and it looks like this year will be no different currently the as it stands there are only four linebackers on the roster tire whitehead fantasy perfect nicholas morrow who made the team and marquel lead now may i can't do that. There was still work to be done at the position obviously with only four players on the current roster a few hours ago the raiders were linked to kiko alonzo possibly as a treat chip but <hes> that fell through and miami sent him packing to new orleans leans in a swap for another player so <hes> back to the drawing board for the raiders brandon marshal was probably the biggest surprise from this group <hes>. It seemed seemed like he he was a a sure thing to make the roster but after his comments that he made no he was battling some injuries coming into camp or recovering recovering from injuries. I should say and kind of use the camp to get himself healthy and just was never able to to get it fully going so i fully expect some a move to be made here at the linebacker position. They definitely need some help again. There's only four players four linebackers on the roster and that's just not going to cut it in today's n._f._l. Moving onto the defensive backfield starting with the cornerbacks everything is expected here gary on conley darryl worley the markers workers joyner rookies trayvon moan and isaiah johnson made the team as well as undrafted free agent john nixon who played his tail off <hes> during the preseason wins himself a job so so congrats to keyshawn there <hes> the raiders kept six corners of gather and correct me. If i'm wrong nevin lawson <hes> who is suspended for the first four games along with fifteen cagney no not count against the current rosters so you may want to double check that fact but i believe that is the the case so there could be a corresponding move once he comes back from that four-game suspension. The only noteworthy cut from this group was second year man nick nelson who was clearly early outplayed by nixon. <hes> you know nelson was a fourth round pick in two thousand eighteen so they pulled the plug on him pretty quick safety. Surprisingly the raiders kept five cds and no doubt a big surprise here. Dolon levin lava spat last last season on the practice squad with the raiders. May i praise levitt for his ability on special teams calling him a core special teamer so let's see if he can remain on the roster oster other safeties to make the team included karl-josef. Jonathan abrams curtis riley and eric harris and let's not forget about our specialists. They are football players to the specialist. Crew includes undrafted free agent punter a._j. Cole who won the job a few days ago when johnny donny thompson was released second year kicker daniel carlson is back after he was picked up when the vikings let him go last season and long snapper trent seek held off andrew de paulo for the job. There is your initial fifty three man roster for the two thousand nineteen oakland raiders after this break. I will talk your biggest roster. 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Only at draftkings make it rain minimum five dollar deposit required deposit bonus requires a twenty five times playthrough eligibility restrictions apply see draftkings dot com for details now for my biggest roster snubs. I have a list here of four players. I was trying to whittle it down to three but i had a kind of a tie between two players so so let me get right to this lesson. I'm sure you're very similar number. One keelan dos number two anthony rush and tied for third. I believe is brandon. Marshall and jason cabinda and i'll start with keelan. Dos we all track his progress. We all track the story. It was well documented through hard knocks. If you watch the preseason games you saw that he was a standout almost each and every game leading the team in receiving a couple of games just really displaying all the attributes you look for in a in a wide receiver. He had the size he has the speed one area though oh where he he was very inconsistent in its an important area is is his hands <hes>. If i had to pick one area <hes> to critique it would probably be with his hands. He did trump dropped two balls in the final preseason game which could have proved to be costly for him but still l. <hes> a guy who many believed <hes> should have been drafted but didn't <hes> it was just kind of a feel good story. You know those are the guys you you you pull for or when the the odds are stacked against him. He was a home town kid. <hes> in the final season in oakland. I just thought it would have made for a really good story but <hes> unfortunately for dos <hes> john gruden in and mike mayock are in the business of creating good story scripts there in the business of winning football football games <hes> also unfortunately for the raiders they were not able to get cleland. Keelan keelan dos back on the practice squad. He was <hes> picked up with the jacksonville jaguars. It was reported the raiders did offer him <hes> to beyond their practice squad but he decided that jacksonville was a better situation for him which i totally agree with because if you look at the the roster roster as far as the wide receivers go for the jaguars and you compare it to the raiders there just really isn't as much depth there with the jacksonville jaguars so definitely gives him a better opportunity to to make it in this league so you know we wish dos all the lock and you know it's too bad that he couldn't have stuck around the raiders because i do you think this guy. He has a future in the league. My number two snub was anthony rush and yes although he was brought back on the practice squad. Luckily for the raiders i do feel he deserved to make this team right out of camp. <hes> maniacs as as i mentioned he did comment on he was very raw but despite his rawness he was still flashing and making plays glazed throughout the the preseason and i highlighted highlighted them quite often on twitter. If you follow me <hes> i would isolate him on some videos and you know he he he just was disruptive. Many times often found himself in the backfield <hes> just creating place for his teammates. It's you know he wouldn't get credit for the play in the box score but he was taking on a you know one or two blockers that was freeing up <hes> the linebackers behind him. I mean that's really what you want from your from your you know nose tackle defensive lineman. They're you want him to take on blocks. You want him to free up those linebacker so i just thought he did a great job at that and i and i really thought he should have earned a spot coming out of training camp but again it all worked out <hes> the the raiders took a risk by not keeping them and that risk was <hes> you know rewarded <hes> by getting him back on the practice squad. It's on very excited to see how he continues to develop throughout the season and you know i'm really excited to see what he could do for the raiders defensive line in the future and then my last two biggest snubs are at the linebacker position both brennan marshall <hes> and jason kamenda now the reason why i cho- chose these two players because they only kept for linebackers so they have four quarterbacks on the roster so something's something's gotta give it just doesn't make sense to me <hes> just to keep a body around at this point seems like it would be a smart move but just to go with four linebackers right now in hope that down the road here in the next few days you can pick one up <hes> <hes> yeah. It's just kind of a risky move. <hes> you had you had two players there <hes> cabinda who was a younger guy who was a second year with the team in gunther system <hes> just familiar with the defense. I think that's important and then you have on the other hand. You had a guy like brandon. Marshall will who is a veteran in this league <hes> although he wasn't as familiar with gunther system he is a veteran in this league and he has <hes> he does have a track record you know he in this league as you know being a competent player at the position so i just felt when you combined and those factors with the idea that they only kept for it just seems like the logical thing to do to me is to the have v linebacker on there and if then if down the road you find somebody that you like better well then then you could always cut marshall or cabinda and bring on that the fifth linebacker so those are my my roster snubs up next we're going to discuss <hes> the practice squad players blue for a to report it to high in finally we're going to talk raiders practice squad so the raiders are allowed to who at ten players to their practice squad and currently <hes> at the time of this recording they only had eight guys from what i see <hes> on on silver and black pride dotcoms tracker here <hes> so i'll go through some of them names <hes> so and i also comment on some of those players as well <hes> guard lester cotton senior who was an undrafted free agent signed with the raiders he was with the raiders all throughout camp <hes> out of alabama <hes>. He's on the practice. Squatty is a big bodied <hes> county of a <hes> a gabe jackson type road grader if you will so we'll see what he can develop into <hes> during his year on the practice squad already mentioned anthony rush really excited to see him continue to work with the raiders and continue to to develop and i fully expect to see him <hes> at some point on the active roster this season another familiar face wide receiver marcel eightman he was is a guy who again had a pretty decent <hes> camp <hes> second year man was a practice squad player last year who got the call all up during the season and even rates plays while he was up there <hes> but again he was he was <hes> stash on the practice squad so he'll have to continue to try to earn earn his way <hes> down there. They did bring in a couple of players from some other teams titan eric's sauber who was <hes> most recently with the patriots. He was cut by the patriots <hes> he was. I don't know a whole lot about him to be honest. I believe he spent time with the falcons. <hes> he was a fifth round owned draft pick out of drake in two thousand seventeen so he was not able to <hes> win himself job there in the absence of rob gronk. Oh rob gronkowski in new england so <hes> again don't know a whole lot about him off to dig into him a little bit later on today <hes> they you did bring in a running back as well for the practice squad demari crockett. He's a rookie undrafted rookie from missouri who signed with texans and even with the injury to lamar miller he could not earn himself a job so <hes> again don't know a whole lot about crockett <hes> he he did produce ninety seven yards and a touchdown in twenty four preseason carries another player that was brought in or excuse me was not brought in dillon may then he was actually a undrafted free agent who signed with the raiders back in may. He's going to move to the practice squad. He's also <hes> he's a cornerback. <hes> would be lying. If i told you i had any <hes> decent information on him as well so <hes> rounding out the practice squad <hes> we have have another wide receiver who showed a lot of flashes during the preseason that's rico gifford <hes> so he's going to continue to work with the raiders a little bit and camp and who knows maybe he could have some <hes> gadget tight player <hes> ability or a return man ability. Should there be any injuries to anyone else like dwayne. Harris and finally defensive end quinton bell who was the raiders final draft pick <hes> this past draft in two thousand nineteen who as we know as a converted wide receiver from his tynan perry prairie view only spent one year as defensive and so he is still very very raw despite having those great measurable numbers <hes> gray athletic ability. He's still just a major work in progress so they wanna see a little bit more from him and they wanna see if they can get him to develop. <hes> you know during a year on the practice squad when i returned from this quick break we are going to <hes> wrap this baby up and put a bow on it and begin to <hes> look ahead to through the week one monday night football matchup with the denver broncos when you start losing your hair. There's no magical cure but there is a way to stop hair loss from happening in the first first place. It's called keeps treatment. That's proven up to ninety percent effective at reducing in stopping further hair loss. You don't have to go to the doctor's office or stand in line at the pharmacy for a prescription. He'll visit a doctor online and they'll send a medication right to union discreet package with keep starting at ten dollars a month. 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Also football season is upon us. Everybody in it's time to put all the off-season analysis all that aside. It's time to action place some real life football game so i'm excited about that and i know that you are too. I hope to have the episode out for you guys next week kind of a preview of that week one matchup with the denver broncos so be on the lookout for them out that everyone has a very happy labor day and a great me and as has always go raiders.

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Just Pod Baby-Episode 17: Breaking down preseason games 1 & 2/Update on position battles

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Just Pod Baby-Episode 17: Breaking down preseason games 1 & 2/Update on position battles

"When you have great coaches then after the great coaches you get great players have a great organization and you tell them one thing just window mm-hmm uh-huh and let's go rhino nation and welcome to just pop baby with your host evan grow your home for raiders news notes and information you can follow me on twitter at egret five and as always you can check out more of my work over at silver and black pride dot com don't forget just pod baby is now a part of the silver and black pride podcast network so be sure to subscribe and makes you give give the network listen. It's gonna be a solo show tonight. I have no guests lined up for you but that's okay. We've got plenty of news to catch up on including two preseason games that i will be breaking down later on the show and i want to update us on where we stand in some of these training camp battles as we are now two weeks into the preseason. We started the show off tonight with more tonio brown talk. If you tune into last week show <hes> you heard a deeter kurtenbach and i discussed the antonio brown drama <hes> surrounding his his injury with his fee as well as the the helmet <hes> issue that he was having well. What a difference. A week makes seven days ago there reports of a possible rift between brown in the in the organization surrounding his unhappiness with this with this helmet <hes> there were reports that abe was threatening to retire over the issue and obviously that's been well documented by now so i don't wanna continue to beat a dead horse. <hes> brown did file a grievance events with league last week. I touched upon that it was reported this week that he did lose that appeal with the league. <hes> apparently brown has now decided that enough is enough off and he did report to camp <hes> this week. I believe it was wednesday in he even traveled with the team to arizona for the week to preseason game versus the cardinals more importantly he worked out on the field fully equipped with helmet i might add and he was running routes catching balsam derek carr and he looked very good while doing <hes> sherman of you have already seen clips that were online or that were posted a twitter so it appears that always right now again gannon raider nation after after guys like myself. We're kind of beginning to hit the panic button. It seems that things are now kind of settling in it seems as if antonio brown is good to go the team did have walked through practice. Today and beat writers reported on twitter. That brown was a full participant so it does appear. He is one hundred percent back with the team now now whether his feet are one hundred percent healed i i doubt that is the case this but it does appear that he is healthy enough now to practice with the team and i fully expect him to be active in week. One verse denver broncos dirk cargill targeted meet with the media today <hes> during practice or after practice. I should say in <hes> going to play a clip of some of what he had to say about about having antonio brown back on the field anything that at this point would hold antonio brown back from its practicing. I i do not he was. He did everything with just now and <hes> the man's recall is unbelievable. He came in and no mental errors. The on in this offense is not they do especially whenever whenever you have a day off even just as a player he come back and like you gotta you gotta stay on his on coast gruden's offense all the time and you can tell antonio's been studying because he came out and didn't miss a beat eleven nine eleven seven seven ever received yeah whatever whatever we did today. He was is a part of it. <hes> a part of everything that we did today. Speak peace now. You can get to all my checks and do all that kind of stuff like i'll do during are in the season <hes> and then i have you know the big you know tyrel and waller and <hes> you know are running backs and antonio. They're all one on one who do you what do you do. Who do you go to those. Are those are oh. That's the mental game. We're gonna have to play you know meeting coast gruden and <hes> talking about that beforehand but <hes> it's nice is to have him and i can you know play it like a real game you own we're going do it sounds like derek cars very happy to have finally have his number one ride receiver back and and if you're at all concerned about car and brown missing crucial time together and in training camp <hes> they they're still gonna have plenty of opportunities in the upcoming weeks here before a week one to continue to develop their chemistry so i. I don't think that's an issue now. In regards to brown's continued search for the the the model of how he has worn throughout his his career that shot air advantage helmet he was told by the leakey needed to find one that was less than ten years old and that it would have to be recertified or are tested under the n._f._l.'s safety guidelines. If you follow pro football talk on twitter they tweeted today that <hes> brown did in fact find several different <hes> models <hes> that he wanted to air advantage that were less than ten years old including one from two thousand fourteen he did send the helmet to the league for testing asking and he was informed today that the helmet failed so i don't know where that that currently leaves brown in his search rich for for the helmet that he prefers to wear but it's beginning to seem more and more likely <hes> that the n._f._l. <hes> you know is not going to budge on this and that brown may just have to suck it up and play <hes> in a new newer model helmet. That's going to wrap it up for the first segment of the show up next is headlines move order to move forward to sit. Have i number one denzel. Good was removed from the pup list today. In return to practice good participated in walk through today taking part in about twenty five snaps coach gruden said that the plan is to ease him back into easing back into it. He also did say that you know they're planning to have him. <hes> begin participating in the indie portion of practices so that's great news and it comes at a great time for the raiders offensive line. We all know that gabe jackson suffered an mc l. entry that will likely sideline him <hes> for six to eight weeks <hes> he could be placed on the pup list. We're not quite sure yet or i'm sorry the at the i. R. i should say <hes> you know with the injury to gave jackson and a two game suspension to richie incognito <hes> <hes>. It's nice to have some some other options available. Should they need one headline number. Two don't expect to see many starters. <hes> take the field in week three of the pre the season or possibly the remainder of the preseason again coach gruden didn't eat with the media today and he said that you know you probably won't see many of what he referred to as high end starters <hes> the rest of the preseason he also did mention <hes> in an appears to be you know some concern to to the coaching staff <hes> he mentioned the the team was looking into the plane surface as you know this week's a week three game will be played in winnipeg up in canada <hes> and so i guess there's some concern on the surface of the field. I'm not sure if it's turf or grass or whatnot but apparently it's an issue now normally week. Three of the preseason is known as the dress rehearsal game so i was fully expecting to see the starters for maybe a half half <hes> but apparently gruden is going to play it safe and he feels that i guess he has kind of seen enough <hes> from his from his starters editors and he's going to try to keep them off the field as much as he can headline number three the raiders re-signed center guard cameron hunt hunt was spent the offseason program with the raiders as well as the final three games of the two thousand eighteen season again with the injury gave jackson and suspension with richie incognito. <hes> you know this was pretty much a depth signing <hes> they're looking to add some depth at the position again <hes> and and i really believe that it's possible that they're they're not finished yet. <hes> i would expect maybe even mic mac to took explore some possible trade options or <hes> when when rosser cut down there could be some players available that the raiders would take a look gap. Have i number four after already losing one beat writer <hes> met schneiderman in the off season who is now covering the green bay packers for the athletic <hes> michael milkin announced on twitter today the he will no longer be covering the beat for the raiders in he's now going to be covering the dallas. Cowboys galkina recalls a former guests on the podcast. He was a great guests at that and he was one of my go-to guys on twitter for raiders news. Which is i'm sure was the case for many of you. I always appreciated michael's work and <hes> you know his his <hes>. Professionalism raider nation is is is going to be sad to see <hes> michael go but we wish him luck <hes> in dallas. We're gonna take a quick break in and when i return <hes> i'm going to be breaking down the first two weeks of preseason inning and give an update on some position battles with two preseason games remaining on on the schedule. Hey spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm ryan nannying. I'm jason kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college college football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what i mean is this already spoiled every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling the unfashionable pants with warren middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast i ap they say not to look into the preseason records too much but i think that for a team a real rebuilding mode like the raiders doesn't hurt you know to to go out there and start to know. I think anything positive to build on is a good thing for a young team like the raiders in week. One we didn't see many of the starters starters on either side of the ball especially on offense. Though <hes> mike glennon got the start at quarterback and he played the entire first half nathan peterman <hes> relieved him and he he finished up the game playing playing the entire second-half versus the rams but we'll get more into to those two specifically in just a moment some of the standout performances that i do want to discuss in in week one versus the rams include de'andre washington who who carried the ball six times for twenty four yards and caught two of his three targets for twenty twenty one yards in washington also added a touchdown he would he was definitely my offense of m._v._p. If i had to choose one there's also the feel good story that we've been following. It was <hes> talked about on last. Week's edition of hard knocks on h._b._o. And that's keelan dos the undrafted free agent who we all know grew up right there in alameda <hes> he caught two passes against the rams and one of them <hes> for a touchdown which is a really great moment for him. I know that he had a lot of family family and friends out there for the game so it you know it's a good story and he he seems to be doing very well with this opportunity that he he he's been and given on defense. We saw <hes> many of the rookies and <hes> some of the younger players from the second year guys. You'll get a lot of snaps and in the early report report seems to be that these these rookies and they look like they belong they really do <hes>. Jonathan abram wasted no time getting involved. He <hes> his first play play on defense. He got right in there and tackle cleveland. Farrell is showing off. You know the high engine that he has his ability against the ron some of his his pass rushing ability in one of the things i wanna point out about phero is i really like what i'm seeing from. <hes> defensive coordinator paul guenther in how he's kind of using feral right now and i know the preseason is a time where you you want to try out out some new things and new lineups and rotations and whatnot but <hes> what i was seen <hes> from guntur in his usage with pharaoh is on third downs <hes> he was moving farrell inside to tackle <hes> along with <hes> along with maurice hurst and they would bring in <hes> arden key and max crosby is kind of your your third down specialist pass rushers and so <hes> i actually tweeted about this. Is this kind of reminds me of back. When the giants won the super bowl <hes> the first time they beat the patriots. I believe it was two thousand in a i think it was but but they had that <hes> defensive line rotation they would call it their nascar package. They'd bring out their speed pass rushers. They would move. I think it was justin talked. They move him mm-hmm inside to tackle so they kind of <hes> kind of reminds me of that and i and i kinda like that. So far what i'm seeing <hes> from from that from that group they're speaking of crosby and key. They both have looked really good as well. <hes> crosby did break his hand in the game if you again if you watched hard knocks last week which i'm sure all of you did <hes> you you kind of saw how that happened and you saw that he did finish the game and continue to play with that hand that was wrapped up in a in a cast he did have surgery on the hand this week but <hes> you know it shouldn't be any issues for him. He should be able to you know he'll be ready for week. One and he should be able to play through the injury that something something that you've seen players <hes> play with a cast on their hand <hes> many times <hes> arden key he nash to sack in the game which is really nice to see because we all know i think arden key probably led the league in almost sax last year so it was nice to see him finally get home early in the early in the preseason <hes> get him some confidence and you know he he appears that he is prying for <hes>. You know to take your jump which we really need on defense. The raiders really need that anthony rausch is another player that i do wanna mention briefly not a guy that i was really the aware of <hes> until the game to be honest with you. Big real big man three hundred and forty pound defensive tackle get a very solid game. He kept showing up on film. I went back and watched watch the game a couple times and i was really focusing in on him and he someone to keep an eye on you know in the final two weeks of the preseason. He didn't really show up a whole lot against the cardinals but i'm hoping we're going to see plenty of him now in the final two weeks a._j. H h j cole excuse me is another player that i i do want to mention in. He has officially won the the punters job. The raiders released johnny town this week after a rookie year in which he really struggled badly in apparently he wasn't really showing the coaches enough <hes> in training camp everything. I've been reading on coal. He has been extremely impressive. Gruden compared him to some of the raiders former punchers. There's like shane lackluster. <hes> who we all know is it was one of the all time greats and <hes> even mentioning marquette king so <hes> coal whole being held in very high regard <hes> he's also one other thing that i think is really helped. Couls cause is that he he has shown the ability to also kick off. If you watched the first preseason game against the rams he he was kicking the ball off so that that really helps his cause and i think it's great that he's he's able to have that versatility because you never know. A player goes down and injury. <hes> daniel cars carlson for some reason can't can't kick off whatever you never know what could happen. You have an emergency emergency plan in place so i'm excited to see <hes> a._j. Coal as the team's new partner and we all know that was a major issue for the raiders last year field field position many times defense was put in terrible spots because <hes> of the opposing team's starting field position so that should change this year in the week two game on the road in arizona. The raiders starters did get did get some wraps. We did see <hes> you know. Most also the starters on offense only played in one series <hes> which resulted in an opening drive touchdown which was a thirteen yard pass from derrick carter arta ryan grant carl very sharp only through two passes. I believe but they were both completed. One of them was a <hes> kind of like a <hes> goal row kind afaid route to <hes> tiro williams when williams went up and kinda high pointing the ball so that was nice to see those to hook up. Josh jacobs showed off some of the his vision and speed and empower with four kerr. He's picking up twenty one yards. Rico gaffer had the play the game in my opinion where he hauled in a fifty three a yard touchdown reception from mike glennon and gaffer is kind of right in the in the mix for <hes> one of those final wide receiver positions without which which i'll touch on in just a moment <hes> the raiders quarterbacks looked really good in this game. I know gruden had to be happy about that. They were a combined twenty one or twenty four for two hundred and fifty yards passing with three touchdowns <hes> so that's really impressive. I don't care if it's a preseason game or not anytime you can go oh twenty one or twenty four for three touchdowns and no picks. I think that's that's <hes> that's gonna make your coach real happy defensively. The raiders looked really good as well which you know i was. I was very happy to see based on the conversation that i had last week with peter kurtenbach where he was there air for joint practices and he said the raiders defense looked horrible and you know he was he was willing to risk big money on the raiders being the worst defense in the league so i was very very happy to see that the defense was <hes> you know was was competitive and so that's a good sign lamarcus joyner who was obvious z. picked up this off season free agency led the way he was all over the place had a sack which resulted in a safety and punter showed some different blitz packages which i thought was really nice to see i i like it when you're d- coordinators aggressive and <hes> especially against a rookie quarterback like cuyler. I learned murray show us. Some different looks which was nice to see mentioning cuyler murray there. He had a very good debut in week one. I i saw all of his throws. Does i went back and watched some tape on him and i thought he looked real good <hes> his week one game but it was a totally different story against the raiders. He looked every bit. <hes> the part of a rookie again i mentioned gunther few see one or two of the series putting really applied some pressure to murray and and <hes> definitely definitely affected him. His final stat line was three of eight passing for twelve yards and he was sacked twice. I do believe i think murray played <hes> in the starters. They were in there for three or four series. I don't think that was the plan but again they weren't able to establish any kind of rhythm on offense so i think <hes> kingsbury very left him in there a little bit longer just so that they could you know get some sort of continuity going but really they were never able to establish any kind of control. I would say that right now. Overall you know the raiders are to an oh i would say the vibes are pretty good right. Now and again i know is the preseason i don't. I don't wanna look look too much into it but i do think it's important for a young team to to have some positive things to build off of and they're still plenty of work to be done. We all know that but i do see some good things. I see some some <hes> positives from the rookies a lot of the young players. I think we see what jacobs can do. We've we've seen abrahams flash. He knows a big talker. It's been a big talker but he seems to be backing it up pretty good right now in some of the limited time that he he has had i think you so you see what what max crosby bringing the table. I think that cleveland fairly showing you why he was the raiders top pick so i'm like what i'm seeing from some of the rookies from some some the second year guys <hes> p._j. Hall has shown up a little bit maurice hers again arden key. <hes> picked up a sack so there's been some very positive things that were. We've seen so far we we've seen some depth along the defensive line which is great. I think the backup quarterbacks are playing well and there there are some serious competition is going on right now from jobs now speaking of some of those competition battles in some of those jobs that after being fought for right now i think i do want to discuss three of what i consider to be the most intriguing battles going on right right now on the roster and they're they're all an offense. I think the quarterback the backup quarterback position <hes> the wide receiver and running back. I think think those are three really intriguing battles. I wanna start with the backup quarterback job. <hes> mike glennon and and nathan peterman are not making this easy on on jon gruden to make a decision. I you know to be honest with you on paper going into training camp. I thought that this vis backup quarterback situation. <hes> was one of the worst at the raiders have had in recent years so i wasn't very confident <hes> personally personally but after seeing the first two preseason games i've been very impressed with both glenn and peterman glennon has gotten to start in both weeks one one into and he's. He's played the entire first half in both games <hes>. He's definitely showed reasons why he was a former star in the league. He's got a very big arm. He he's a big guy. He's tall. I think he's like six six. He's got the the ability to stand tall in the pocket in command the offense he did have those two costly interceptions in week. One versus the rams. I know one of them was in the red zone and that's never going to help you in your in your case to make the team but i think overall he he's definitely shown enough <hes> in my opinion. I think he's definitely the leader in the clubhouse house. <hes> likewise nathan peterman has also been very steady and he's he's shown the he has the ability to to move the offense and i know gruden praised him after the week two game versus the cardinals for you know going into the game with the big leading and keep that clock moving and making sure that <hes> you know the cardinals weren't able to kind of come back and win that game <hes> again going back to the rams rams game pyramid showed off some of the athleticism that we've been hearing gruden talk a lot about his press conferences peterman took off for that the fifty yard run there and and <hes> you know that that's he he seems to <hes> you know. I've seen them run a lot of that that r._p._o. Or kind of <hes> plays i. I guess it's not so much read option but more so our p._o. And peterman seems to be running very well you got you got <hes> account for his ability to run because he does seem to be very athletic now. We're peterman doesn't overly impressed. Me is is throwing the ball. I think when you look at his numbers from i'm a percentage standpoint they you know he's he's taking care of the ball. Let's be honest he's he's completing passes but i just think <hes> glennon seems to be more willing lean to try to push the ball downfield and <hes> so you know i i said it after week one i i felt that glen would would win the job. I think based on what i saw in week i want i i thought glennon would win. The job and i and i continue to feel that way. After after two games preseason games <hes> the next question. I think we we should be asking is does gruden carry two or three quarterbacks. You know <hes> i believe last year. If i recall correctly last year he went with just two was car in mccarron <hes> so there's a very high likelihood that whoever loses the backup job will not be on the fifty three fifty three man roster now. The most competitive battle currently going on in the roster has to be at wide receiver. I mean this has been fun to watch and this one's definitely going go down to the wire as i said it's been very fun to watch how this thing has played out so far in the competition has really raised raised the level of play for these guys. It seems like they're really <hes> you know. They're all making plays and you know. It's going to be another very difficult decision for bruton in mayock. I think it's safe to say that we know there's at least three or four players at the position that are are locks to make the roster. That's that's antonio brown tyrone williams. I'm gonna say hunter renfro okay. <hes> you know he's a rookie. They traded up to get him. There's no way they're gonna cut him. He's he's showed flashes. You've heard them giving him high praise so he's a lock to make the team and i'm gonna throw dwayne harrison there. Although harris is more of a special teamer he he doesn't play very much as a wide receiver. You know you have to kind of lump him in you know taking a a wide receiver spots so you have four names right there you know and again how many wide receivers will gruden in may accuse the carry. I think is the question that you need to you need to figure out the answer to is it. Five six six actually posted this question on twitter and most of my followers who responded six was probably going to be the number and i would have to agree with that <hes> that a- at this point <hes> you know meaning that i'd have to find two names to add to my list of the four locks that i currently already have <hes> <hes> marcel eight men j._j. Nelson ryan grant kion hatcher rico gaffer and keelan. Dos are your top choices. I may be missing one. I think in pearson l. would would be another candidate for that <hes> but again i think those those guys make up your top candidates and they've all made plays <hes> they all. They've all made plays in the preseason the two players that i have been hearing the most about if you read the press conferences if you listen to them and you follow all of that that i would have to say it's it's dos and grant <hes> and early in camp. You're hearing a lot about j._j. Nelson in but he did miss the second preseason game against the cardinals with a with an ankle injury so <hes> you know take that for what that's worth as of right now now. If i had to kind of take a couple of names off that list <hes> kind of like a process of elimination i would say i don't think hatcher or gaffer make make the rosser despite gaffer making that big play on thursday thursday night hatcher has shown the the ability now for two consecutive seasons is that he's definitely deserving to make the roster but i just don't think he has the experience of j._j. Nelson or ryan grant and i don't think he has the upside of guy like keelan dos so i kind of think that that because of that <hes> it kind of puts him behind those three three in the pecking order marcel eightman is a guy who i do like big body receiver but i just don't know he he he lacks the long speed that you look for in a receiver. I don't know if he does anything really well. You know i think he's good good at several things but he's not great at anything really <hes> so i. I just don't know if that's enough to get him on the roster. He was a guy who was on the practice squad last year. He did pick up some game experience when he was brought up to the the active roster during the two thousand eighteen season <hes> again if i had to make a prediction right now if you were going to have me make a prediction right now i would say <hes> the final two spots bats <hes> if if they do keep six would go to <hes> j._j. Nelson and ryan grant and that's that's purely based on experience. Dos i might be a guy that gruden may try to stash on that practice squad if he's not picked up by another team <hes> but i think he's been getting getting a lot of publicity. <hes> through through hard knocks in you know he's he's. He's making some place in the preseason so there's definitely going to be some other teams out out. There and their scouting department's are probably taking no of a guy light keelan dust now this could certainly change if dos goes out there and has two more impressive of <hes> preseason games and maybe nelson continues to be nagged by that ankle injury who knows but <hes> you know. Dos could definitely play himself into a job bob. The final position that i want to discuss is <hes> the runningback battle and that's also shaping up to be a very interesting one. You're going into the training camp. I thought it was going to be <hes> de'andre washington. Verse chris warned the third for that final spot but as we know warren reported to training any camp a bit overweight and that did not please his head coach and he was he was cut so <hes> you know that that kind of changes things now after a strong showing in two preseason games from de'andre washington. I'm starting to think maybe okay. Maybe it's doug. Martin who's on the hot seat and then he kinda gotta hear me out a little bit on that one rookie josh jacobson jalen rashard are are my locks to make the roster so that leaves you know one. Maybe two spots for another running back and that's not including fullbacks on my on my list here again. It comes is down to how many how many do they <hes> decide to go with. If it's four then obviously washington and martin or both safe should they decided maybe keep an extra wide receiver or an extra offensive lineman you know until <hes> incognito comes back or whatever the position may be. They may decide to go a little heavy at another position in role a little thin at running back <hes> so that could that could complicate things washington has been very impressive so far you know showing dual threat ability as both a runner and pass catcher and you know that's something gruden really really likes out of his backs. No martin is definitely the bigger more physical runner. He obviously has more of a track record in in the league <hes> any played well in marshawn lynch absence last year <hes> but but keep in mind don't forget this. This is my my reason why. I think that martin could be on the hot seat. Don't forget that the raiders opted not to resign martin <hes> in the off season instead they went after isaiah crowell and it wasn't until after crowell tore his achilles that they brought back doug martin so i'm just not sure that gruden is completely sold on martin <hes> but it's it's you know something to keep an eye on an also something that definitely benefits washington in in his in his favor is his ability on special teams. I i know in past years. He's been a guy who has been a key. I know about kiba definitely <hes> contributor on special teams james butler and mack brown no camp bodies. I completely shocked if either one of them were to make the team do wanna touch on full back for a moment. I am completely sold on undrafted free agent elks in gold. I i like what i've seen from him. I was never really a big fan of key smith to be completely honest with you. <hes> i saw too many <hes>. Mr simon's or you know dropped balls from him him last year. <hes> i know he was a big fan favorite of <hes> rich <unk> shia when he came over from from dallas brian think that i think they england makes this team and i think that smith <hes> will find himself looking for a new job i think when you combine the injury <hes> <hes> that smith had in the time that he's missed so far in camp combined with what angled has shown as a blocker he shown the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. <hes> i think the edge goes to ingold he's younger. He's less expensive and and don't forget yeah. He's also shown ability on special teams. Which i think definitely helps his cause so there you have it. 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Live From The Combine: Part 2

Fantasy Focus Football

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Live From The Combine: Part 2

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So the first one, I guess is all directors to starve on your bell. You're in a luxury suite here, you are staying by yourself just wanna be clear about that. And his only on this room. And what do you need extra towels for there are plenty of towels in there? Well, years seeing them because there's extra, but you didn't actually like this hotel skimps on towels. No, it's just I always ask for extra towels because sometimes I like to go work out in the middle of the day. And then I would shower again because I appreciate cleanliness and hygiene serious question. Are you a one time towel her at home? Sometimes. Wow. Okay. It depends. All right. So multiple Dallas Matthew, no. I'm great screen. She's being. Because I've been working so hard all day that I want to lie down. I would actually like to recline and go to sleep. But instead I'm talking to. Meanwhile, I just I just would like ask a question of like. Field and Daniel like because I've been running around like crazy. I have. Yes, I have. Anything today? And so I'm just curious. Have you ever wouldn't be nice job where you had time in the middle of the day just to work out and shower and use extra towels? It was fun at five enough time like shove a couple of French fries down my throat and go to the bathroom asking about you. And budgeting time for a workout. The wrong. Twelve has the comedy of the podcasts. Say having having a free hour in the middle of the day to do anything. Fairness I have not been to the gym desire arrived the sign I just believe that that actually makes me function better had a lot of interviews to a lot of running around to catch up with people. I had to catch up with a couple of prospects. You know, they're young. And they're so you've got to be able to move quickly I needed to get my workout in. So I could be prepared for my version of the Combi. Speaking of your version of the combines to find has interview she's going to jump off to just a little bit here. So we're going to start with a couple of pieces of news that are tied to players who had notable injuries or perhaps not injuries late last season. Let's begin in Los Angeles. Rams GM less needed a nice job. But in that roster spoke with Matthew. And specifically, of course, maybe the elephant in the room Todd Gurley and his health came up. He's sort of made news earlier date your press conference. So I wanna talk about this. Because coach McVay I think I don't want to say he disagreed with you. But it seemed slightly diff. Clarification on Todd Gurley. Obviously that's big question for fantasy players that kind of stuff. I think the phrase you sort of used was a Robin to his Batman. If you will try to limit his workload. I think John it sorta indicated that he felt like that, you know, the Todd's earned his right to be the lead dog obviously and its production speaks for itself. Some curious if you could clarify a little bit of how you see the running back role going into twenty nineteen. I think what we have to determine is. Is it best for Todd? And we haven't determined that yet in terms of keeping him fresh. He's got a lot of Carey's. So. We had to terminate internally is best. Now, there's probably three pounds of that. How how do we handle the off-season some people think, oh, you really work hard and things like that say in shape, but there is an element of of wear and tear on your joints. When you do that. Then it gets to how you manage them in the season. And then is it getting to a point where we get to appoint similar to what we did this year and lessen the load for Todd. So he can be fresher at the end of the year and for seasons. Come that's still to be determined. And we're gonna try to figure it out. But that's the calculus equation. All right. So I'll just say this. I have a hard time envisioning the Rams pain Todd Gurley fifteen million dollars a year and making them part of committee that being said, I think what I would fairness defined as part of a committee right here. And she makes that kind of money. It says something to think about your making Bryce Harper money. So let's you can't really complain. That you can't make jokes about fifteen million come on stop it. However, what I will say this, and we'll get to the medical side of this just a moment here. But I think that the Rams may have realized that like slow playing things just a little bit for Todd Gurley between weeks one and fourteen when he was the guy unto himself last year for the Rams like might have long-term vice with the same situation is not rear itself if they are again playing until early February next year like just a little bit less Todd Gurley a little bit more of whoever the backup running back is not the time. We'll be the feature the focal point, but you really can't pay fifty million dollars. And then be like yet. Splitting wraps like well. Also, by the way, so less usage. But it's it's all in what les usages because Todd Gurley still getting seventeen touches a game as opposed to twenty two right? And he's still being used in the red sodas much Z is like you'll still take. So he scored seventeen touchdowns set of nineteen or whatever I mean. Right. So I thought the interesting thing so it feels like right? They wanna be smart. The Rams are playing and their ideal world. It's a twenty game season writer at twenty one game season something like that for them. And they're going to you know, and he's their franchise back. And there's a lot of conversation about how it's not just this past year, but a ton of Carey's throughout his NFL career. This is a guy that had an injury. Georgia's to find you and news came out today where they were coach McVeigh said he is not scheduled to have surgery. And I'm curious your reactions and your thoughts on Todd Gurley. Which is I'm sure subject that's gonna be coming up a lot for you the summer. I think it was really important that he said what he said this morning because we heard that tug early was healthy in those final games. But there were questions about whether that was in fact true because he was utilized. So little Todd Gurley. Blamed himself. Was it the championship game the NFC championship where he said he wasn't playing well and that was on him. But in the Super Bowl, we still saw his utilization be much. Less than what you expected. So it would be natural to wonder since the end of the regular season. His knee was bothering him. Was there really something? And one of the things people would look out for is after the Super Bowl would he have a procedure, which would then speak to the fact that his knee one hundred percent healthy. And if that were to have happened. Let's just say if it would have happened that he would have undergone a procedure. I think the league would have taken a close look at that. As the Rams did not listed on the injury report. They said he was healthy. And I think this proves that they were telling the truth. In other words, there wasn't some secret thing going on that they were going to have to address in the postseason that being said. No procedure, he's healthy cetera. It doesn't mean that he didn't have somewhere tear component on his knee. It was obviously affecting him at one point late in the season. This is a guy who had any sale reconstruction coming into the drafter member was big news at the combine that year, and he has managed to do quite well and has not had any setbacks until now, but I think the volume of work this goes back to it field was speaking to originally the volume of work is probably contributing factor to why he had issues at the end of the season. And I would not be surprised if going forward they made an adjustment early on to be able to extend him. So that he could play into February very quickly. How do you feel about Todd Gurley today after hearing hearing less comments hearing him and coach McVay at the podium today? And I know you've talked to bunch of people as well. How do you guys feel about Todd today Phya pick one in the upcoming draft? Yep. He would not be part of my three person. Consider. Ration- board three persons. So I'm assuming Barclay and Zeke are two of those three. Right. Africa's three Christian McCaffrey McCaffrey. That'd be those will be my three. Oh, right now that I'm interested most locked in on how about us to find him. Yeah. I can understand going with the youth movement. I don't know. I don't know that I would put him out of my top three he'd be right around number three. Obviously the way the season ended would be a little bit of concern. But I think another comment that was very interesting from less. Need was the off-season work. Right. Because everything is telling you the need him fresh when he comes in. And they really believed that if he is fresh he'll be fine. But once you see this little hiccup. Can't ignore it. History. I'm more with us to finance girly at three I bartend and Zeke, I have McCaffrey at four, and we can talk about that later, but interesting Ron rare did say on the podium today as well that they wanna bring in another back again, also try to lighten McCaffrey's load. You know, one of the reasons he was he's a very talented player at north hundred degrade job and getting new space. But also just the usage for McCaffrey last year wasn't saying do you do you feel like if if Todd Gurley goes from let's say twenty two on average. I don't say that twenty two touches game to seventeen touches a game that those touches are going to come from the third down role as a pass catching back like do. You see any of that like where those touch is gonna come from. Is there a pass catching back on that team? Not at the moment. I mean, it depends on whether they bring back CJ Anderson. One of the things we talked about with less when you listen to the interview, and the other we're gonna have a podcast it's going to have the full audio of all these interviews that we did that myself defined peeled all dead with general managers, and coaches, and and doctors and position. And everyone, but should listen to the full interview. But I will say is that I wanna thing I brought up. His no one's talking about Malcolm Brown, and they like Malcolm Brown a lot. He was doing really well last year before he went injured, the whole reason they signed C J Anderson was because of Malcolm Brown, and so it'd be interesting to see whether C J Anderson comes back, and they confidence that Malcolm Brown should be ready to go. When the season starts speaking of health of running backs. Darius guys for the Redskins. Probably the most notable preseason injury in the NFL last year was prime to play a major role for them, of course, towards ACL's defying. This is not being your run of the mill recovery from an Darius guys had an infection post operative Lee at these things can happen. Twi sign that the waiver when you go into surgery talks about all the things that are possible outcomes and infection is one of them. I think originally people just assumed this happened at the Redskins facility. These things can happen anywhere. Let me be very clear. This is not a fault or a finger pointing issue but just for clarification of fact, dairies guys had surgery down in Pensacola by Dr James Andrews and was the follow up for the infection at cetera was subsequently taken care of down in Florida. And now he appears to be well past that and doing well, the good news is that even after something like this. You can make up time. So it doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to be way behind is certainly put the start of his rehab behind. It certainly made it more difficult for him to catch up. If you will some of the early things where it's really important to get your range motion your quad strength at cetera. But we won't really know until we get a little bit closer to training camp activities cetera. If he appears to be on track earlier today, I spoke with head coach Jay Gruden and as you can imagine as a Redskins fan and somebody who has dearest guys on every single one of his dynasty teams. That was a subject that came up. Whereas dairy skies in terms of his recovery talked to Darius. How's he feeling talk that there is a lot? And he's doing great. He's young. He's strong got a lot of energy. That's for sure. He's all he's firecracker. But he's he's going to be fine. He's strong posted some things on Instagram. I'm sure you follow. I do. Going to be fine and Chris tops, and we have buyer Marshall and hassle p Rhine. Everybody says my doghouse sees can have another opportunity to make some place. We have not lost sight of Somalia on our football team. He's a good running back and can provide a step. So we're we're in good shape is the expectation is swimming full health, though, that Darius would again, this is an assumption that Aidan doesn't come back in and others conversations. Maybe he will. But if Adrian doesn't come back is the assumption that full health dairies is going to be the guy the workhorse because it feels like a good thing about Darius is he doesn't have to come out on third down. And what surprises the most about him in the off season and training campuses ability. Catch the ball. We didn't know that LSU didn't really have a lot of opportunity catch it. So watch him catch a ball run option routes. He's he's good at that to first of all I gotta ask this again, you saw Jay was like he put his hand out to shake your hand. You went for full man hug. Well, I mean, listen, I was busy on buttoning. My shirt. At the time. You as soon he put his hand out shake his hand. Matthew germs. I met j a number of times. He is. He is very familiar with my fan boy them as very patient with me, very kind, man. And so yeah, it was great to have a chat with him. And appreciate his time. But to me, I think the most interesting thing that he talked about was there doesn't need to come off the field on third down. We've talked about this a little bit that I've said this on Twitter before that dairies guy says much better pass catcher than people give him credit for as j reference. They didn't really use them that way at LSU, but he has that skill set in. So that's on the becomes kind of interesting. It does become kind of interesting thing is odd from but it's sort of like, the the juxtaposition is this. He has the ability to play on third down. But if he's coming off of a major knee injury when he had an infection. Can we reasonably expect him to be an every down Bax find you? I just I think it's a leap to say. Right now, I can't say that he won't become that. But I really really want us to wait until we get to precent you're going to hear me say this again is going to be the activity in training camp. What's the progression? Because remember even guy who had a normal pathway post ACL early on could still hit a bump in the road. When you're getting back to football activity is this understanding that it's February and it's way too early. But like would Darius Geiss be your Delvin cook of twenty eighteen where you were saying I'm concerned concerned. Everyone doesn't not everyone else is taking this seriously as I feel like I would I not draft this person. Like, do you right now would be that person for you? I'm going to be concerned more concerned than I was about Alvin cooked because of the particular history Darius guys, and then that being said if they're talking about he's going to be this every down back. I I would point to delve and cook as example of doing too much too soon. I literally just watch Matthew break out into a cold sweat explaining all of those things interesting and coach and talk about that a little bit about you know, he'd like to have Adrian back. We'll see how that all works out the business of the NFL, but just any made a reference to the fact, obviously the Redskins have had tons of injuries the last two years, and so given sort of the walk that the team has had more depth at every position, especially when it's crucial running back will be helpful. But Darius guys somebody who's ADP. I think will be all over the place. No question because I don't know how you could possibly rank with any level of competence until you see him back on a football field. Right. Right. But like in like, you could talk. Hey like, you could talk yourself into them. Like, hey, let's assume Peterson. Sign atop Rita back like tons of volume especially because they got questions at the quarterback position. And you think about Adrian Peterson was like eight and rushing yards last year. Like could guys have that kind of season. But then on the other hand, you're right. The concerns of like bringing Chris Thompson and on third down and just the inefficiency of that offense and coming off of major surgeries to find you reference. So that somebody who I think his ADP. Whoa. Fluctuate wildly throughout August. Yeah. I agree on that. We'll see whether he plays it all during the preseason. We're going to say goodbye to find. She has to go. Do more work can't believe this has her workout. I'm sorry in the middle of potty has extra towel. So she's like, I'm gonna go work out. Now. I have an interview with folks. People who one of the teams of is in the Super Bowl, I won't say which one so you'll pardon my leaving early. But here's what I can't really believe is how am I leaving the three of you in my room? Down to try to close. I fest in decision cavern. That's me that drawer. Everybody all the audience is gonna report back to me. They're gonna let me now. They'll know if you guys missed behaved when I to be honest with you, our trooper on the sense because I would not let would not leave you guys alone in my room. No, not absolute would not. So we wouldn't go to your room. That's good point. Also, also fair point researcher moving along running backs you aren't injured. Well, actually, he was injured this past year. There's some certainty surrounding his status whether actually play or not Matthew the chance to catch up with Greg Olsen. Not the Panthers tight end. But rather the raiders operative coordinate who discussed the possibility of marshawn Lynch returning the expectation is that marshawn Lynch is done playing. But of course, with marshawn you never know. Is there is there a chance that marshawn Lynch is back in the silver and black? I think there certainly is. He's still has something left in the tank. You know, it was unfortunate injury that he had last year that that otherwise he was he was playing his as well as yet played. In the last five years, we still think that there's a year or two left in his legs. And he's he's excited about being part of the program and part of the resurrection in Oakland. You know, if we if we feel like he can still still play and he wants to play them with certainly welcoming back the minute that it became clear that the raiders might be back in Oakland next to your my first thought was marshawn Lynch actually a chance to return to the NFL be good thing. Right number tell you that. It wasn't a minute mazing for Marshall Mench. But obviously a lot went well offensively and Oakland last year. I will say the I test though, tells you that he looked like marshawn Lynch d'hiver. Yeah. Yeah. I would say in doses small. Yes. The raiders have no like workhorse running back under contract for next year that I'm totally jazzed about March Lynch returned. There's a there's a feel good story there and like plays inspire, but he's planning at home. I know that's like a silly thing to lean on too much. He is playing in front of the Oakland fans is different than almost any other player playing in front of a home crowd. There's no question about that. Doug, Martins, also a free agent. We talked about that later in the interview they like Jalen Rashard, but only in that third down passing. Pass them back role. So, you know, it's interesting. It could be marchant could be Martin. It could be a committee or it could be somebody that isn't on the roster right now. Could you see Adrian Peterson going there? You know? On bell. They got money. Could you see them or obviously, they have a lot of draft capital as well. So it'll be interesting to sort of play out field. I guess my other question here is on the raiders is. In terms of offense production is this is this an opportunity because people out of the raiders, whatever. And you're just like it's such a wasteland is they're going to be some fantasy value. We had later and drafts once sort of settled again, they've got a lot of cap Speight. I believe they have a decent amount of cap space. And they certainly have a lot of picks. You news was resurgent weirdly in quietly at the end of last season was Jordy Nelson. Yeah. So your point that like maybe somebody emerges other than Jared cook who was really the only viable starter week to week for Oakland last year, much Matthys, chagrin. Maybe there is some value. I'm not the problem here. Matthew is that I don't know that obviously a lot contains tween now and August people are drafting. But right now if I had to throw a dart on Reiter given the marginal which is in her contract Doug Martin Senator contract. I don't know under contract jerks contract. I don't know who that would be a late round flyer. But you're right there could be something there. Well, it's interesting because I actually later in the interview again, you should listen to the whole interview. View, but I actually asked. Actually asked Greg to give me a sleeper, and he mentioned Marcel eightman, right? No. You mentioned Darren oh Darren Waller Darren Lawler tighter that they picked up from the ravens really he he was impressed with him thought. That was really good. I can hear the full comments later or maybe secret squirrel will pay them in later who knows? But the fact of the matter is that was a guy, that's and certainly given the success. They had with the title position. If Jared cook doesn't come back while researching a name to keep on your radar for later Indra while who's dealt with a long suspension in the past picked up. I think you sign originally off of the ravens practice squad. So interesting player bigeye put at Georgia Tech previously wide receiver back two running backs. Lot of the conversation with these people around here in Indianapolis surrounds running backs and lions GM. Bob Quinn against anything here. Like Daniel had to decide to go out for the bro hug. Do. I go for the handshake. Right. Do you guys? Have a secret handshake was that? We were thanks to ESPN legal. We were able to get rid of that restraining order that. That was nice that was thinking that we weren't able to the interview. But luckily, we were able to work through that. And he was able to he was able to for a limited amount of time be within fifteen feet of Bob Quinn. And Bob Quinn spoke about kerryon Johnson. The second round pick of the lions last year can be a belco. Are you guys always sort of thinking like, hey, the ideal fit is a guy that's not necessarily caring to thirty times a game by himself? I think nowadays with the season being so long and training can't be and so long this play three or four maybe five running backs in the entire league that you're comfortable calling that someone asked me a question the press commerce ball being belco. Yeah. Like, I don't really believe in unless you have really a special guy that's really built to last and is only a handful of those guys really walking around in the NFL nowadays. So we love carry. He did a great job as a rookie when he was healthy had anything that he kinda worked through right now. I know he's hundred percent kind of working out at Auburn as we speak. So we want to find someone that can compliment that we got the Riddick kind of in our sub third-down type package. But you know, I think over a course sixteen game hopefully, the playoffs your need more than just one running back. So I think that's the way we always look at things in. I think the majority of the league if you look across the rosters and the stats each team like there's two guys that are carrying the ball. And then it's usually third-down guy. Matthew interesting, basically what he said was last year. There was this narrative, and I talked about this with Bob later on in the interview that like every line's fan. Want to carry on Johnson to get twenty five touches a game was asking for free carry on? I'm not sure that we're gonna see that though. I don't think you are. And it's interesting because. Darrow Bebel their new offense coordinator has throughout his NFL career been a very run heavy kind of guy, you know. And so it's sort of interesting like. When that announcement made you know, sort of the reaction on Twitter myself and number of people in the fantasy industry was this would be very good for kerryon Johnson. And so. You know, if he's not getting the volume that's going to be disappointing. But I have to think he's such a good pass catcher that they find different ways. And so it's not necessarily about the volume but about the quality of the touches that he gets. But certainly I think that caps the upside on kerryon Johnson who's going to be more. You know, we use this phrase a lot. But it is it's going to be more lower and Rb to than than, you know, true Rb one talented guy, and we'll see whether or not they add some sort of hammerhead back because the airport was that idea last year, but like airplane, obviously like that cliff came for the Garrett. Yeah, did he played well in England obviously couple years play well for the eagles winning Super Bowl there. And then it just. They'll find some guy like that on the value later on the draft fine running backs there. But this offense will be interesting with tight end there. And just as you said Matthew, coriander changes pick for them. They got to sort of find their stride because they made a big change midseason. It wasn't. They were adding somebody. They were trading somebody weighing golden Tate, all of a sudden like things fall apart, but things are different when you lose your most productive wide receiver and it's a important off season for that offense. I wasn't I agree with you there. I wasn't there for the interviews. Just quick question. Daniel Kreider in it, what happened which was which was sort of weird that sense, actually, correct. Really? Actually, take his shirt off. But it will be interesting to see I think the lines are going to be actually, you know, no jokes today. But one is actually gonna be really interesting fantasy team to sort of breakdown because again with a different coordinator, you'd be excited by Kenny golladay, and sort of really being a borderline wide receiver one. But I don't know how much confidence you can have in him and Jones getting enough targets to really be more than sort of flex plays in very run heavy offense. Bob did talk about Kenny. Golly. Encourage people to listen to the full sound air, and you know, player they like lot of promise they're asking about the baby nickname. He was aware of it. But the problem is that when you've got Calvin Johnson as a reference point he has out of respect for Calvin. He's I don't wanna just like be anointing people as the next the second coming of like an all time. Great writers. Over course, Jon is let's move along here to believe one more piece of sounding that correct at accurate chargers. GM Thom Tillis go talking about Mike Williams who player who had ten touchdowns in a second. Mike williams. Couple years. Goes is one of the big storyline medically speaking, obviously had some injuries Clemson. And then early on his career ten touchdowns last year. What now subject for my coming into year, three firmly entrenched guy opposite Keenan Where'd you sort of see him and his his his progress in this point. Well, I think we saw last year what he can do. And we really saw from the first day training camp. You know, how talented he is. And and you know, the sky's the limit with black meet a great year for us this year. We do have a lot of other players that get the football as well Keenan Allen and Elvin, Gordon and NAS neck layer. And I was the tight end group. So there aren't a ton of football to go around. But Mike playmaker. He showed that. And what do you show to ease? Not just a fifty fifty jump all guy. I mean, he runs very good routes. He's quick he's fast. And I made some big plays for us this year. Can I question please do before before? I know you guys are the professionals here. But something really what do you mean by I'm agreeing with? Okay. You say, okay. I mean, we are the ones wearing shirts. Yeah. No. That's accurate. That's something that really stood out to me is the fact that he said there aren't a lot of balls to go around. And when you have what I feel like is a number one might receive in the office. You never like, well, there's a lot of balsa if Austin Eker end the quote unquote, tight end group is taking passes away from Mike Williams. I feel like that. I mean, there's something about that ceiling not being as high as what we would like from fantasy perfect. So US that way I was going to ask Matthew that Mike Lewis to be trendy breakout? Pick this year, I think he will be trendy break-up pick. But what's weird is? I think and I said this about somebody else, which I forget who I was saying about, but I feel like Mike Williams could be an act could actually have a better NFL season next year. He can improve as an NFL player and actually have a worse fantasy season. That was Michael Gallup. Again. Like, do you think? Do you think you get ten touchdowns Mike Williams again like you had the three touch on gamey ran for one with Calvin? Really? We're talking about. I feel the same way about Mike Williams. I do about common rarely which is like a very talented player into the eye test. I get it. But I think a lot will depend on hunter Henry, candidly, if hunter Henry is ready to go. And there's been some news out there recently that they may resign Antonio gates 'cause they're not sure Henry will be ready at the start of camp. Or at the start of the season. So it'll be interesting to see like a healthy. Hunter Henry certainly is a red zone threat that has had success with Philip in the past and Tom did talk about hunter and did ten encouraged by what we saw from him late in the season and happy with the progress, obviously played in which was big news there, and I expect hundred hundred to be basically a full going down the train to camp rolls around. Even if he's on a full go, which he could very well be get back to OT as the and workout program. Well, I will say that this hearing some, you know, you're here at the at the combine, and yet you have a lot of conversations and your networking, and you know, you go out for dinners, and drinks, and that kind of stuff so you hear a bunch of stuff, and it's always hard to kind of sift through it. But I will say I think the the feeling that I've gotten from people that I've talked to is that expectation is that Tiro Williams and Travis Benjamin won't be back with the chargers. I don't know as much about Travis Benjamin. But I think Tara Williams is a safe bet to not be with the chargers next year because it's a water. It down wide receiver free agent market. And he might be the best of the bunch him. Adam Humphreys, golden Tate, right? Devin funchess believe in him. Those are the kind of names or talking about Jamison Crowder. Yeah. You could make the case Tyrone Williams as accomplished any of those guys. All exciting Kate, golden, take sure. But I mean, he's as a slot receiver whose predicated on. One of the reasons why you would think that like Antonio Brown. Would command a bigger price on the train round pick for him? Right. Yeah. You know? And so. It's interesting there. But I would think assuming Williams has gone and potentially Benjamin as well. You know, all due respect, I know Gordon equa catch balls out of the backfield. And you know, I would feel better about Mike Williams chance at it's hard to say breakout after ten touchdown season. But improving on his fantasy stock from last. Yeah. Weekly consistencies looking. Yeah. Exactly. You didn't sort of know win to start him. And I think that would be interesting, but one of the problems with the charges, of course, is the defense has been pretty good. And they run the ball actively. Yes. All right. The volume hasn't been there for Philip rivers where the way that you would need it to support multiple passing time. But I I think Williams is I think he will definitely be trendy sleeper. And but I think he's he's probably going to be a better NFL player than fantasy asset. Next year. Would be my argument agreed all the way around on that. Let's let's put a bow on this podcast partic- peeling the curtain back a little bit here. It's four fifteen of wrapping this up right now to make this like, oh, our job is so difficult, but I like three of us if we were like an an iphone battery right now, we would be read collective, right? Like, it's just these couple of these days wear on you quickly. Like, we are. I'm looking at Matthew who's this blank stare his in his eyes? Like have you? You are right now. I haven't eaten today. I mean, I got in late last night got up early. We'll know what happens is like this is so humble Brady. But I don't mean it like this. What happens is this happens to you field as well and happens to find you. But have you Danielle it doesn't not really. Mostly clear happens to me you'll see where I'm going. But in addition to doing our jobs, which is not just performing on the podcast, but it's also going out and saying, hey, Jay Gruden can we interview when can we interview and that kind of stuff and trying to because there's a million media members here, and they're all trying to get access to the player, the general manager of the coaches and coordinators that we're talking to as well. And so you're dealing with that. So you're tracking them down. You're also try to do your job here, which is to network and go to the press conferences sort of learn stuff. And then also, by the way, in addition to us doing our podcast here. There's a ton of other radio stations podcasts TV shows digital shows. And they'll see us and they'll say, hey field. Can you come do ten minutes? Matthew, can you come on? So. You always want to be nice and grateful about that. So I just I found myself going from either an interview I was doing or being interviewed just going back and forth constantly, and you're you're walking up and down and literally at four fifteen. I've yet to have a chance to eat anything today. So we give some food. Yeah. We'll get. We'll get me some food here secrets go ahead. Take his clothes off back in the door. I will certainly do that. I do want to say this really quickly coming out next week. So we're gonna I'm gonna send out all of the full length of us. Like, we've talked about those going to be out for you guys to listen to next week math. You're writing a column about some of the things you learn from the combine, correct? Yeah. This is a little nuggets that have come up some of come up in this podcast. But others I haven't haven't talked about and part of that. We are also going to do a podcast where you going to talk about some of those things might clay is probably gonna come on and talk about some things that he learned as far as watching some of the prospects that we will have a podcast next week guide as a great job with all the prospects as well. And then a combine themed. Mission of the fantasy show on ESPN plus all of percent. And then you guys wanna take the Cleveland Browns Super Bowl over here Sherwin on. Yeah. Sure to find his. Fake show, baby. Yeah. I think that we had different interpretations for what Cleveland Browns to the Super Bowl -ment. Okay. I definitely miss that one right? On that. We're back again sometime soon. I'm not sure when. Then you should have. Absolutely for lunch. Daniel. Did you ever like a couple of burritos? Great. Max. Technology truth brought to you by Tyco. Truth. 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Full Combine Interviews: Part 2

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Full Combine Interviews: Part 2

"This is a real person named mackenzie book amac book we asked him to compare surface laptop to versus macbook air which one's faster <unk> wow macbook prefers the surface fascinating learn more at surface dot com slash laptop to you. Hey guys daniel again and just like we did for part one. These are the full interviews we had from the twenty one thousand nine n._f._l. Combine in this podcast. You're going to get chargers g._m. Tom lesko lions g._m. Bob quinn and redskins head coach jay gruden raiders offensive coordinator greg olsen and last but not least rams g._m. Less need hope you guys enjoy great to. We're joined by chargers general manager tom to go. Thomas is familiar spot for you. Not only because you come to me you lived in india for a long time yeah fifteen years we spent here so <hes> but even when we lived lived here we still see it in a hotel downtown for the combines. The days are so long the early mornings at the weigh ins the interviews. Go till till eleven o'clock at night so we would stay downtown but now i spent fifteen eighteen years here. It says <hes> our kids were born here so technically they're hoosiers which is kinda strange to me spent a lotta time. Your love love living here is a great place to be. I'm wondering did you guys stay in the hotel l. when you play the rams this past season also l._a. There's no way game so you have to with the bus. Stop every bust up to downtown l._a. Stayed there and play the game. How about that so you have built one the more balanced rosters in the n._f._l. And obviously your background working for the colts has always been rats and develop team as you look at this week if there's one thing but like what are some of the highlights order the specific facific things that you guys focus on as a staff here in india during the week well the one thing we tell our staff to make sure is that goes on here especially on the field with immeasurable. Let's let's not forget what happened in the fall. That's that's the biggest thing is how they played football in the fall with the helmet shoulder pads on now things that we we come here are still important to come here. The measurable are important to us is how we do. Our studies is how we do our our work on that sort of thing but really the most important thing for us in the medical. We have to have that <hes> to help us put assigned nine risk to players for for durability reasons. That's a big part of it so that all gets done here. That's part that we none of us even see the doctors. Take care of that. <hes> the psychological testing is very important to us to get that done and then the interview process even though it's only fifteen minutes at least it kind of opens the door a little bit to these players get a little bit of fuel for the personality trying to feel for the football intelligence <hes> we'll take it farther from here and for some of these players we've already talked to you but those are the three biggest things and then the onfield worker be secondary to that crazy to think that the onfield work because we all care about about as fans and the work may not be necessarily the most important thing but you mentioned medical mike williams years ago is one of the big storyline medically speaking obviously had some injuries at clemson in the early on his career ten touchdowns last year. What now's the trajectory for my coming into year three. It firmly entrenched opposite keenan. Where'd you sort of see him in his his his. It's progress to this point well. I think we saw last year what he can do and we really soften the first day of training camp. <hes> you know how talented he is and and you know the sky's the limit with me at a great year for us just this year <hes> we do have a lot other players that get the football as well keenan allen and melvin gordon and nas and now he's the group so <hes> there aren't a ton of footballs to go around but alexa play maker. He showed that <hes> and what do you show too. He's he's not just a fifty fifty. Jump all guy. I mean he runs very good routes. He's quick. He's fast and i made some big plays for us. This year. Fertilizer coach's a g._m._c. or at the combine talking about they're very few guys in the league that can be a back by themselves for a team to many zeke elliott one of the names that i've heard last last year when melvin was healthy kind of felt like there were some stretches there where he was the guy unto himself. Obviously not your job to decide who gets the carries during the course of the game but it's one of those players if you were evaluating just backs across roster league kind of fits that mold is capable of handling what would amount to three hundred plus touches a year while there are more than just stretches with him. He played well. He really did his three down back. <hes> can run on the ball. You can catch out of the backfield runs verb rows and capacity protect so he can play all three downs <hes> but i do think it's the position that you do. The rotate players in off network came in at a great job up for us. Now is a great one to punch with us for us. <hes> two different styles of backs not very highly productive players that played really well together but think with melvin is he can play all three thousand plame all equally well we saw for a brief moment the end of the season hunter henry obviously on the field which is great to see him ridiculous comeback whenever it was eight or nine months wants we're now. Do you guys envision hunter fitting into this offense going forward started. The tight end spot has to have yeah we felt that going into last year and then until got hurt but no he has everything you look for in that position because again that's just not a position that's a running catch and put up yards position after the block as well and he's he can do that dual role for awards he can block you can catch <hes>. He's a really good football player. We missed them last year. Having back is huge and he's a big part of our offense in this age where quarterbacks are seemingly humanely planning later and sturdier than ever into their mid to late thirties. What about philip should've impresses. You guys year to year that maybe defies what thirty seven years old tells it should be. You're right that we've seen that that the age for quarterbacks it's really start to stretch a little bit farther out which is obviously for us very good to see <hes> but nowadays is preparation. Skills are same now as they were when he was a younger player is enthusiasm is is the same maybe the more now <hes> the work you put into it and he had a career career year last year so it's great you know and what we have to make sure we have is a strong team around him. I don't think anybody quarterback jeff tickets dating back there and carry the whole team on their own and we're not asking them to do that have enough weapons on offense have an offensive line and have a defense and get the ball back for us so now he had a tremendous year force last year and and like i said at this point of his career to so that level you know we're very very lucky. Does maybe change your philosophy a little bit with roster construction. I'm not that you guys are always discussing windows but fill up if he could play for seems reasonable to play a handful of more years or let's say three to five more years not might change the way that you're loading up their positions around the roster <hes> not necessarily. That's not how we look at it <hes>. I don't really look at windows. Our goal is to win every year matter who the quarterback is. We know phyllis playing at a very very high level best. We can't put the best team around him but not as windows you're there. I mean no matter who quarterback is. We're we're here to win. I'm just hopeful that he plays long enough that he can draft one of his children to play wide receiver for the chargers something like that one too. I don't know if any of them aren't football. Football quarterback quarterback well back of quarterback succession blamed discuss from rivers to reverse talk. Thanks for your time no problems having me. He's a special guest here on the podcast. Bob quinn general manager of the detroit lions sitting just like thirty six inches away from daniel. I've built a barrier in protecting now. We love we love the sea. Lions field the more the merrier has you've been coming here for. I don't even know how many years twenty years now this is. Twenty years is actually twenty. I think my i know my first year was two thousand so how about but that twenty years in indianapolis the n._f._l. Combine you are scouting guy through and through as you use this week or look at this week. What's the most important thing that you can say universally applies it year that you show up in indianapolis or is there anything i mean. There's multiple things that happen. I think number one it's to get all the players in one place and really the medical. I know it's boring for the fans to hear but dictate not at the medical information on three hundred fifty college prospects for us at one spot is is enormous because it's really impossible for our medical staff to do that without the combine being one spot so that and then just really get first up close and personal interviews with the players did we do some of the senior bowl and east west and the all star are game for myself and patricia his staff to kind of get involved. It's really great. It's a great scene here and i think jeff does unbelievable job with kind of organizing this whole thing because there's a there's a lot to goes on trying to organize this big event and you could find things that might actually save guys. Life's almost inserted medical the medical front. You've seen come here and had things diagnosed. It's been a big part of their future going forward you guys last year. In the second round draft kerryon johnson player that had college accolades psalm in ten games aims last year whenever the exact specific number was what did you see from carry on and i know that there's the fan base clamours for like you wanna see. A guy carried the football thirty times game which we know like they don't make to many. Jim brown's yes world anymore. But what do you see from like. Is there the ability to do that or from a russia standpoint are you guys always started thinking like hey the ideal that is a guy. That's not necessarily thirty times a game by himself. I think nowadays with the with the season being so long and training and so long this play three or four. Maybe five running backs in the entire league that you're comfortable you know calling that you know someone asked me a question in the press congress belco yeah like i don't really believe in unless you have really a special guy. That's really built to last and is only a handful of those guys really like walking around in the n._f._l. Nowadays so you know we love carry-on. He did a great h._o._v. rookie when he was healthy had anything that he kind of worked through right now. I know he's one hundred percent working auburn as we speak so we want to find someone that can compliment that you know we got theo riddick. Kind of men are sub third-down type package but i think over a courses sixteen games and hopefully the playoffs. Your need more than just one running back so i think i think that's the way you know. We always look at things. I think the majority of the league if you look across the rosters in the stats of each team like there's two guys that are carrying the ball and then that's usually a third down so so carry on john's your unofficial additional southeast scout. He'll give you all the intel conversations. That's one thing that i try to do during the year probably wants to get through the middle of october night kind of get the lay of the land of like you know our draft picks and some of our first and second year players and what guys are coming out from those schools and i'll i'll pull him aside and in in the lunchroom and just pick their brain a little bit and kind of put that in my notes and we always follow up those guys especially the guys that are kind of mature and they kind of know what our program is can handle the rigors of it the the mental and all that stuff so it's it's good guys have a really unique perspective so we definitely use that. Have you heard the nickname for kenny of baby tron. Have you heard this one before. I have heard it yeah. The lives from calvin tron. We're gonna hit the slow down on that just for myself yeah. I think i'm gonna i'm gonna pass on okay but you do certainly a lot of promise from kenya past year obviously trading golden mid mid date midseason golden taping traded can sort of change. The complexion of how you guys are playing offensively. What did you see from kenny and a second year and i want to say that we get so caught up and just like a guy plays slot guy plays on the outside of sure but can you be an every down wide receiver before you can be a number one wide receiver offense events based on what you've seen through to two seasons now kennedy had came in as a rookie and had a good year kinda battled through a hamstring in their mid season came back and this year we saw a lot of growth from kenny from year one year two which is really what you wanna see in this year like you said with the trade came once we got through mid season we actually started moving kenny into the slot a little bit more just to kind of match them up against different coverages and that he had some product production their to now. He's not your prototypical slot receiver but in certain formations sion's in against certain teams he did a good job there so he's the guy that we we like obviously he's multidimensional that can play inside and outside and we move them around and we'll continue to do that kind of guy guy who's whenever six three whatever he actually is where this is measurement week so i should like six oh three hundred sixty three something right 'cause that'd be a full time slot receiver like i think about guys'll marcus colston was certainly a bigger body always played from the slot. There've been other guys i mean. There's some tight ends that might as well be wide. Receivers are slot receivers now based how they're used. Is that a full time role for someone like any not the tip tip the cap on the offense or next year are tipped the hand i should say but is he too effective on the perimeter to almost be putting it to waste if you only kept him in one spot i think we he has such a unique skill set that like we say we can play inside and outside. I don't think we want pigeonhole him into one place. I think he's a guy that we're going to move around based on the week. Just like we do defensively we kinda match our defensive backs up our linebackers against certain skill guys and i think we're gonna do the same thing you know offensively sometimes when we look at an opponent from offerings perspective live in their defense okay do their corners travel left and right okay do they match up number one verse number two does their nickel just stay in the slot so all of those things matter of what you're really going to do you with a guy like kenny in kind of what kind of match up you expect to see and then really it's the coach's job wants to get into the game first quarter second quarter at how they defend in this guy because i would say you know after the first month of the season kenny star a lot more attention in terms of double teams guys over the top of him so that's something we had to adjust to and then kind of organically with golden not being there moving him to the slot kind of free to mop too from some of those double teams feels like i think thirty two teams could all use more pass rush in the n._f._l. There's too many teams with with with too much pass rush. Does it feel like along. Those lines at this draft kind of this is a useful one for everybody involved. It seems like the the area of death from using air quotes right now because it's still two months away is the front seven specific guys in kendra and generate. Some pressure against quarterbacks is good draft for everybody this year yeah. It's it's a good draft overall. I think i said yesterday i think there's forty five or fifty more juniors that came out compared to what came out last year just from underclassmen so that that immediately is going to increase the depth of the draft and i think yeah pass rushes an area where there's there's different style of guys. You know this pure for three guys. There's some three four outside linebacker type five-second russia two point stance and there's there's a handful of guys that can rush inside and outside. Which is you know very attractive to two teams like us that can run multiple fronts so it is it's a good it's a good draft for <hes> for us yeah. It feels like it's a good dr price guys. I don't wanna be labor point. I know you've been asked about planning locally but tight end the spot. That also feels like it's deeper this here in not that every year. You don't find a guy or two but this year feels like there might be four or five guys. Maybe in the first forty or fifty six could hear their names called. Is it something about like you think it's just unique to this class or is it. Maybe people are realizing at the college level that tight on his such almost like a movable chess piece at the pro level the more you can find these guys really identify them and develop them mm-hmm. It actually might help them in the long run. I think it's a position where you know you look at college football. There's only a handful of teams are really true. Pro style offenses all these guys running spread offenses fences there three wide therefore wi-with slot with a tight end in the slot so a lot of these guys are getting a lot of experience early on in really. It's you coming to college and maybe your linebacker your six two and a half six three and i will their deep at linebacker so hey tried to tight end guys pretty athletic so i think it's a thing that college coaches are doing a a really good job. Identifying guys that can kinda progress as their college season goes on because really it's really hard to play tight end as a freshman in college because of the multitude get block you to catch you gotta recognize out so i think this is a good year for tight ends. I mean again. You look at. I remember last week l. is we're staring at the draft board. Allow a lot of the tight ends are juniors. Here's a ton of juniors and the tight end board and a lot of our more in the pass catching type roles say kirk vari- gonna be a busy guy over the next couple of months and he's going to be reasonable yeah for sure last and probably the most important question is other the matthew stafford. Is there a player in the n._f._l. That has a better arm the matt prater oh no he's. He's zipped down in there. Didn't he was that that reminded me of bob. Obviously divinatory detroit was roy s. Yeah st louis saint play saint play saint play. I think we were sitting in our big room and everybody's watching it and i'm like swear that was like thirteen years ago prater who through a dime he did he was he was allah's stressed out the whole week. There's a lot of pressure now. You don't young connect the guys wide open. I mean it's might be your only have your only shot ever at throwing the ball in matt prater. He's a great guy. He's probably one of the most hardest guys on himself if he gets there and hit a forty five yard field goal and he just gets it in the right off the right upright and in he's mad at himself. You know we connected on it so it's very point the next he's very much a perfectionist and you know that that whole week we had that in a couple of weeks before i think practice it a handful of time maybe two or three times over the last few weeks and then the situation came up and he nailed saint fantasy football that kind of for some extra point people were fired up on that one so i don't really know the rules so if you have him as your kicker get your scoring the point of the field goes next points and he handles the touchdown pass. It's counter for so it's so in for at least status custody is beyond anything forty to forty nine yards already a four pointers so it was like he kicked an extra field goal of forty to forty nine yards that was big time right. There yeah probably wants people some matchups that week yeah well. I mean unfortunately we want. We want the attention that the the play gut i. I don't think we're going to be running at any time. It's easy once and you can't. It's a once every five thing i'll say the the rams the only team that consistently run fake punts. It seems like and fairly effectively to like they're always like i think i wanna say john hagerstown twenty passiveness career really that's a lot. That's not bad teams coach coach vassals. It was pretty aggressive guy and he's pretty unique with the way he schemes it up so good job. I think prater going out on top perfect passer rating one touchdown yeah. Let's hope he's perfect next year from the field goals and extra points on a good goal to drive to strive for predated manning's family all <music> all right. We are here at the n._f._l. Combine with my head coach jay gruden at my washington redskins handle the redskins hail victory so coach gruden last year's washington washington redskins have led the n._f._l. Players on injured reserve still managed to win seven games each of the year. You're starting fourth string. Quarterback your starting guys off the street in the offensive line. I actually think the last two years have been very impressive coaching performance given what you've had to work with and the changing roster constantly throughout. I wanna talk about sort of going to twenty nine thousand nine hundred and let's start with the quarterback position. I mean so outs banged up and i know there's certain things you can't talk about but this is the starting quarterback of the washington redskins in two thousand nineteen currently on the roster. Yes i anticipate he. Is you know whether alex comes back tonight. I feel great about colt. Everybody understands her has been brought out there that i have strong feelings towards cult disability. I can move in pockets of great leader. We can make all the throws the key thing for cold as he's been hurt every time he sent an opportunity. We gotta figure out a way to keep them healthy so we do have to dress the position via drafter free agency to bring somebody somebody else in here one. Maybe two maybe three quarterbacks so if let's let's go with that so hopefully alex's but whether it's alex or cold under center <hes> <hes> opening day happens feels like you prior to this past year feels like you're offenses. Were more pass. I right in terms of when i look at some of the stuff you did with dalton alternate cincinnati when i think about r._g. Three and kirk and some of those offenses they were passed. I felt like with alex and then colton and josh i sorta continued that that it was more of a and maybe this is a result of you know better defensive player but felt like hey. We want to emphasize the run game here limit turnovers. There's and just curious offensively how you see your system working in two thousand nineteen thing when we first got alex we wanted to try to alex is a great quarterback order back. He's very efficient with the football. <hes> very smart takes care of the football for sure so the ability to move the ball even if we had plenty. We're doing a lot of r._p._o.'s where we're reading. Linebackers and those are kind of taken the place of the quick passing game on first down. You know you're either hand off your maybe reading a backer arena defensive end or what have you so are running. The numbers went up <hes> but we're efficient with the ball. Were controlling o'clock. We felt like our offensive. Line was a area of strength. We started the season. Obviously that changed the this season went on but moving forward. I think <hes> being able to mix it up with both those guys is is important but i think managed a game controlling o'clock. <hes> some of our best drives is we didn't score points but we held the ball for seven or eight minutes punted back the other team up and back back them up and it's all control right exactly right and so three and out and then you get the ball back at their forty or something like that exactly right and that was when we were playing good. We're winning games twenty to seventeen or whatever that's a recipe for success so <hes> but when everybody got her to kind of change a little betton we had our issues but <hes> move forward. I think <hes> running the football is going to be a critical so let's talk more about running the football then adrian peterson had despite the fact that the offensive offensive line you know had a lot of changes a lot of injuries portrait williams out there playing on one leg basically you were still able to get and with limitations in the passing game obviously because of alex's injury and the and the rotations there you're still able to get adrian going eighth and the n._f._l. Rushing passing yards last year. I know he's a free agent and you're figuring that out but talk to me a little bit about your run game here. I guess we'll start with this. If adrian moves on whereas darius geiss in terms of his recovery we've talked to darius. How's he feeling yeah. Talk to darius a lot and <hes> he's he's doing great. He's young. He's strong. He's got a lot of energy. That's that's for sure he's all. He's a firecracker but he's he's going to be fine. He's a strong cease posted some things on instagram. I'm sure you follow i do he's going to we find chris dobson. We have buyer marshall and how much p ryan <hes> you know everybody. Says is my dog house. He's going to have another opportunity to make some place. We have not lost sight of semaj imagine our football team. He's a good running back and a can provide a step so we're we're in good shape is the expectation is assuming full health though that darius would <hes> again. This is an assumption in that adrian doesn't come back in and others conversations. Maybe he will but if adrian doesn't come back is the assumption that assuming full health dairies is going to be the guy the workhorse because it feels like <hes> the good thing about it is he doesn't come out on third down what surprises the most about him in the off season and training campuses ability to catch catch the ball. We didn't know that l._s._u. Didn't really have a lot of opportunity to catch it so <hes> watch them catch. A ball run option routes he. He's he's good at that too. He's a really good pass catcher. That's another thing because i'm redskins nerd. I watch all the practice stuff and all the other beat reporters and yeah. I mean he was catching balls. You guys were doing a bunch of stuff with him in the past game prior to the injury and so i think that's it's exciting to is because i feel like sometimes you bring in chris and people like oh. It's got to be a pass but with darius more options for sure for sure and then you know at christmas a key third down elma the force maybe get back on track guy change of pace guy but <hes> have not belco in there that i down opens up the play action passes now you can use them in. R._p._o.'s in the plash passes. Were getting them out of backfield. <hes> there's a lot of options there so one last question on the run game here just because we're playing the whatevs adrian who was so great and from from what i understand beloved in the locker locker room as well like a great teammate in addition to you know obviously played very well last year. If adrian comes back. Do you envision area where hey darius one more year. We're gonna do a bell cow or just kind kind of a split because you've got two big guys there. Yeah i don't know i think we just have to wait and see how it plays out. Somebody mentioned earlier about special teams and you're like that one your backseat special teams player whether it's punt the wing or something special teams and those guys really have done that so there are a lot of issues all we first things first. We have to get adrian. Sign riot happens and then we'll deal with all the other stuff but having adrian bak would be outstanding. He was great for the locker room. He's a great leader. <hes> obviously the respect factor that he demands from people with production history of being a professional football player <hes> is is it's unexplainable to east great to have so yeah that would be a nice. It'd be a nice it wouldn't be when you complain about trying to figure out how split the rock between i'm here guys history unfortunately injuries more players. We have better yeah. Yeah def definitely helps especially in the n._f._l. It's been a tough go but hey all right. Let's talk about the passing game for a second. I wanna talk specifically about jordan. Reed real quickly feels like he got a lot of volume but i don't know if it was if he was playing through an injury last year whatever but i felt like he didn't seem explosive as i've seen him in previous years yeah. That's a that's great because when he in training camp we were really limited him. He's coming off the <hes> both feet. He has issues with so. We were kind of limited. We're trying to take care of them. <hes> early in the season we weren't playing quite as much as we probably would have liked just because we're trying to just get them back in the flow <hes> trying to get to know alex alex trying to get to no him. Some of the option routes that we like to run. <hes> you know takes a little bit of time. In once we finally started getting back into it. Then obviously alex scott hurtin and jordan got hurt so <hes> but jordan is still a very explosive player and he is a major major part of the success of our football team with what he can do not only blocking is getting better but what he can do due to linebackers and the option game tight end is key so still see him as a big part of the offense f for sure and then you move outside coverage tells when he's outside site he can i mean he's. He's a good a slot receivers. We have people say lose jameson. You're in trouble. We got jordan. Jordan was good a lot. People realize like yeah jordan's basically clearly. He's a wide receiver who who's called titan but like he's you know he's unbelievable paul richardson. Have you had a chance to talk to him. How's he coming along. Yeah yeah paul was obviously frustrated. Man he ah he's very explosive player in his neak little sore and obviously the shoulder collarbone or whatever it it was a big issue is so he's running like this just wasn't paul. Paul richardson needs to be a four to five forty guy. That's what he is but it feels like with your offense. You need that guy like everybody. You need to have a guy that can take the top strikes and you're defensively. You can't just play you. You know tight coverages all day long the backup eventually which opens it up for the running game and jordan reed and everybody else so <hes> it'll be exciting to see him a full strength. I really never felt like i saw him on the full strength. Maybe in training camp a little bit but he got dinged up and never felt the same so hopefully with this amount of time to rehab the shoulder. He'll be good deal last question for you just about two other receivers first off. What do what does josh dasa need to do to sort of fulfill his potential. We've all seen and then the second piece of that is talked me a little bit by my my little trey quinn who i love the best well josh. Josh is is opportunities. He's really and i think there are some opportunities that you know when i go back and watch our film that he had that he didn't make which are frustrating and there are some ee did make some plays also <hes> but we also have to understand it when you have jordan reed and chris thompson sometimes the receiver position on the outside <hes> becomes your third or fourth option you know more of an insight out passing attack haven't alex smith and kirk here before that they love to work the middle of the field work does option routes not so much throw the deep comebacks deep daggers across the middle of the deep post automation right so <hes> his opportunities have not come like other outside receivers have around the league so hopefully <hes> they'll continue to come form and he'll produce like we all think he can although it does seem like colts not scared to take those shots now. Maybe a little bit more so watch it now and so. I think maybe some opportunities for josh with colt understand yeah for sure for sure josh shopping and uh you know so. It's all about opportunities you can't. You can't do it if you don't get the opportunity but he does need to do a little bit better job create separation from time to time and he can work on us route crispus so to speak and <hes> but i you know he's still young player. He's young strong and fast so we'll get him. The ball terrific trey quinn do think a row for for portray quinn. I thought that was one of the steals the draft last year for you guys yeah. It was a great pick man. I take credit for that one guy you know they had the other received. Their first round second around tech was his name at s._m._u. I forget his name. Yeah yeah coinciding right so i'm watching scoreless. I keep sues this other guy. He's catching all the ball straight win and we ended up getting him but unfortunately got hurt but he he's a great blanket for us. If something happens we lose jameson yeah no. I think he's a free agent right. I think he can stop right in our beer slot receiver. He can play outside. Also he's a fiscal kid. He'll go in there and block safeties if we need to running game but but he was absolutely he's a great partner. He only returned a couple of w but <hes> he's proven you can catch up and be productive in that role force as well well terrific. Well listen coach we just i need to stay healthy. That's what i feel like but you know you know me. I'm a die hard redskins fan. Everyone knows that as well so well. Thanks handle the redskins help hillary. Let's do it. Thanks coach. Thank you <music> hi. I'm here with the raiders. Offense coordinator greg olsen of course you guys know he was the offense coordinator with the jacksonville jaguars back when blake bortles was actually useful for fantasy somehow managed to get it for thirty touchdowns out of blake then you went to los angeles you're part of sean mcvay staff traffic first year there helped resurrect jared goff and then coach gruden said come to oakland helped me with what we're doing an oakland and you've been the offense coordinator the raiders this past year am. I'm excited obviously coming back to the raiders. I started out with derek carr okay token as a coordinator when we drafted derek so excited to get back with their can obviously ecstatic had to get back with jon gruden as well so let's talk just in terms of the offense you know it's interesting coach gruden at his press conference a lot of questions about derek and he was emphatic derek franchise quarterback. He's our guy didn't stop people from asking. What do you need to see from derek this year. Take that next step in continued improvement with from within the system. I think a lot of he's gone through different coordinators since since coming into the league <hes> and now he's going to have some stability is gonna have an offense of head coach for the first time i can completely involved in all facets of his development so i think expect to see growth in the second year you would expect to see that in any system but i think jon gruden system and the chance to meet with john on a daily basis and be with them we just have very high expectations and high standards and he's he holds himself to those damage so excited to see the improvement. I know and i think i can say that so i saw you last night and we were talking about doing this interview and i'm like hey you know. Could we do it at ten. Is that can be too early and you're like. I'm meeting coach gruden at eight. What are you talking about. Yeah sure i can do do that and we have to wrap this up because coach coudn't said hey we gotta crunch tape. We gotta go where it some more stuff so i know you guys are absolutely pounding the pavement. I think one of the things that we'll help derek carr. Obviously is having the same receivers out there so talked me a bit a little bit about your past catches because you go into a year thinking okay. We've got amari cooper. You didn't know what you had and jordy nelson last year. Amari leaves midseason. There's some injuries. Just talk to me a little bit about how you see the pass catchers coming into this season well. I think we've got certain and we gotta make some upgrades in that area and we're happy with the players that we have are happy with jordy nelson seth roberts marcel eightman came into the seventh round pick and played and very few seventh round pick wide receivers are actually plays in that rookie year so we have some pieces in place but certainly we'd like to upgrade not only the wide receiver position but the running back position is going to be fluid as well depending on how we what happens with marshawn lynch doug martin was a one year free agent and richard we have been receiving running back and we were happy with his production with can be very productive player here in the second year in the system but overall. We'd like to add some pieces for him. So do you think so is. Is there a chance i think the expectation is that marshawn. Lynch is done playing but of course with marshawn. You never know is there. Is there a chance that marshawn lynch is back in the silver and black. I think there certainly is he's still has something left in the tank. You know it was unfortunate. Injury that he had last year that that otherwise he was he was playing is as probably as well as he had played in the last five years sure we still think that there's a year or two left in his legs and he's he's excited about being part of the program and part of the resurrection direction in oakland and if we want if we feel like he can still still playing he wants to play them. We're certainly welcoming back all right so that's still so that that that would certainly be interesting so it doesn't sound like and obviously this. There's a lotta people and a lot of things go into various decisions but it sounds like not sure chirp doug martin comes back or not you mentioned mentioned rashard yet richardson there as well but sounds like whether it's whether it's through free agency or the draft apps sounds like you'll be adding to that position. That's that's the thought within both positions. We'll take a good hard. Look at the running back and wide receiver wide receiver position tight ends. We were happy with jared. Cook always had a tremendous year force a career year for him. Added cook was nothing short of amazing yeah his best year and so we see oh you know big bigger things for him as well no but he's a free agent is here too but the hope is that he's coming back. Correct jared darren waller's that guy that we added late from baltimore. We signed him up of baltimore's practice squad. He's got a very high ceiling <hes> lease myth spinner blocking tight end so we have some pieces air. It's a strongroom tight end room but it might be priority. We'll see what we do with the i wanted to dial in on jared cook there for one second greg so my question is is i'm curious because jared had a monster year right. I mean like kudos to you and the staff for getting the most out of jared cook. I always felt like he's somebody that i have you know candidly. I've i have been negative towards previously obviously to oakland because you know he looks great right. He's one of those guys look. That looks like a football player. He walks vigilant houses guy not dominating and then whether it was is with aaron rodgers who didn't really fit in with the rams earlier in his career just never seemed to click for him for whatever reason and then he comes to oakland obviously has a great year as a connect with their car. I'm curious stories. How much of that was based on. We've got something special injured. How much of that was like the tight end position something in your system in john system that you feel like you guys can exploit and use some just here is how much of it was was jared specific or or just that role. If jared were to move on you guys would find an hopefully another tight end to take that. I think a little bit of both i think certainly with the trade of amari cooper right you know he looked at these skill position players. He just had a unique set of skills to that position and for matchup purposes soon we just found that he was our best match up right <hes> as a season moron so again because he's been in different systems. He's been all over the place. We're still still hoping that if we can get him back and get him a second year in john system that he could even have just as productive season in two thousand nineteen but really more so that the you know losing mario cooper really led to his his increase production welles certainly more targets to go around and certainly there's a connection there with derek yeah back to jordi forty for one second. Where did you guys. Where do you guys internally feel like. He was most productive outsider in the slot sort of moved him around yeah yeah and again that was a predicate because because of the movement but <hes> we think and play inside now and i think it was later in his career. He's done a nice job. In the slot. <hes> started out as most productive years in green bay. They were on the outside <hes> we feel but we would use them in both both areas again fair to say the number one wide receiver for the oakland raiders is not currently on the roster in two thousand nineteen the number one wide receiver not pass catcher because you're hoping jared comes back but the number one wide receiver for the oakland raiders is not currently on the ross. I'm in fairness to the guys. We're excited about it right and we're excited about that crew net room and if we happen to find somebody to add to that <hes> that room to help in the production in that area and then we'll go on research but right now we're we're happy with the guys that we got but we're looking at and last question for you. Greg give me one sleeper. Gimme like we know the big names but give me one sleep or give me one guy that raiders fans and fantasy players should be watching out for in the preseason and not as and training camps and just seeing the the progress of this guy's. Maybe under the radar guy that you like a lot and you're looking forward to seeing what he does. This year i would say darren waller's. We picked up from baltimore. We're excited about his skill set and he came in. We got him up that squad and he came in played right away and had a couple of big explosive pass sketches and so we think he's he's got a real high ceiling and we're excited about that player but you guys have a ton of draft picks. You've a super bowl winning coach. We know what your production is. It's it's it's speaks for speaks speaks for itself every stop you've ever been. Your offense is always produced so <hes> wishes success. We're going to be looking forward to it. It's a lot of fun this year. Thanks for the time and good to see you. <music> all right live from the n._f._l. Combine i'm here with less need rams general manager of the n._f._c. champion campion rams. How are you men congratulations on a great. He's not in the way you wanted but unimpressive year nonetheless i i've heard that a lot what's great about that as you said great season so there's been time to reflect the silver medal will be an accomplishment in time but you said great season and that means okay that was eighteen now. It's time to move the nineteen and in nineteen. We need a better backdrop than this one hundred percents yeah. We'll bad television. We got to work on the budget but i have to say bad television works well. That's sort of what we do. It's kind of our it's on brand for us over at the fantasy show. Hey so you sorta sort of made news earlier. Date your press conference so i wanna talk about this because coach mcvay i think i don't wanna say he disagreed with you but it seemed slightly different so clarification on todd gurley. Obviously that's the big question for fantasy players that kind of stuff. I think the phrase you sort of used a robin to batman. If you will try to limit his workload i think shauna sean sorta indicated that he felt like that. You know the todd's earned his right to be the lead dog. Obviously in this production speaks for itself some curious. If you could clarify a little bit of how you you see the running back role going into two thousand nineteen because i think i think what we have to determine is is it best for todd and we haven't determined that yet in terms of keeping him fresh. He's got a lot of carries so we had to terminate. Internally is the best now. There's probably three prongs of that. How how do we handle the off-season. Some people think oh do you really work hard and things like that say shape but there is an element amount of of wear and tear on your joints when you do that then it gets to how you management season and then is it getting to a point where you know we get to a point similar to what we did this year and lessen the load for todd so he can be fresher at the end of the year and for seasons come. That's still to will be determined in and we're gonna try to figure it out but that's the calculus equation okay so i understand. We're talking in february and you still you have to figure out whether whether you get c._j. C._j. Back what happens in the draft and you're still figuring out what you're running back room is going to look like in twenty nineteen but if you had to put a number on it seventy seventy thirty seventy five twenty five in terms of todd i know you're going to talk about a calculation here but assuming assuming he comes through passes all the physicals and he's healthy right right in it. It's really like i. I always try to explain. It's like a marathon runner. He's running marathons. He's touches had a lot of yards a lot of touchdown so so it just all of a sudden. I think it's cumulative from the time he got in the league. I'm a little sore this week than i was last right but in terms news of let's call it anything other than that. That's really what it is. Yeah i mean i think i think the for people that play fantasy. Let's see they look at the split down the stretch like he was in a full on timeshare with c. J. anderson obviously worked out for you. Guys you guys got all the way to the super bowl and a couple. A couple of plays at that game turns out differently but is the is that feeling like hey that worked for us or is the thought basically that we want to ease his workload but he's still todd early. He's still a franchise back. He's still a guy that we know. I think i think running backs to you think about it if they have the more care is to have the better chance they're going to get a whole and break it right so now is going to the super bowl right and i think we'll tigers as long as wrong that called back because of holding there's no holding there and he gets that fifteen your game take holding cal like say by the but that's that's life in the n._f._l. Phil you gotta get over. We didn't overcome it and and it cost us but let's take that fifteen yards out. It's not like oh grows back but maybe on the next carrie very he. He gets a whole and and goes the distance and the touchdown the next thing. You know it's an m._v._p. Super bowl in the ones the todd gurley questions are over but so there's that element of like how do you feed the ball to a running back. How do you not and and i think we we've gotta sit down internally and try to figure that out and we've got to figure it out. What todd is well last question on the running backs and we'll move on how is malcolm browne's health because i think people have sort of forgotten him because c._j. Sorta came on on and how will that impact the decision on whether or not siege as a member of the rams next year i can tell you it's a it is an interesting calculus formula formula for us. Take todd out of we really like malcolm. Brown malcolm brown had a really that's when i got excited for our mike people here malcolm brown had had a really nice role for us was very productive didn't run the ball as much as c. j. but that was that was until then malcolm. Alcom gets hurt todd mrs games. We basically have to put the game in right. C._j.'s hands and he actually produced well for so his production lead. Go wow that's you'd like to have that type of player back and and we were definitely gonna work toward that now. It gets to okay wait. Wait a minute. We got malcolm brown and now you get a little bit crowded you but what's malcolm brown role gonna be what he has been as a four core team player for so. There's that element of okay. Hey if he's active on game day. There's definitely a role for him. So that's a little bit of a calculus equation that i think you gotta figure out because you won't tell each one of those players on the front end this is this is the role so that they don't find out on the back. End is the expectation he'll be ready for opening day from what you know malcolm malko oh yeah the head will be ready for opening day so <hes> let's transition to another injured player my little cooper cup. That's always how i referred to him. On television my little cooper cup <hes> <hes> loved him as a as a rookie coming into the league and <hes> so whereas cooper in his recovery is progressing well so if you know cooper bob. He's gonna work extremely hard if there's a hard work if there's a ten out there he's a twelve. He's thirteen so he he almost wants. Hey kluber. You need to take any take a break. You need to go on vacation but that's that would be fruitless. He's not listening to you. He's he would go somewhere else in work hard so he's he's progressing. I think what we will do though through o._t._a.'s through training campus definitely managing easy man we know kupa cup can play goals to make sure that he's fully recuperated and really take a lot of the risk out of doing anything else to through those. Let's call it the times of the year whether or not keeping score right so the expectation though is that again you'll have cooper cup week one doubt terrific interpretive wide receiver core. I'm curious. If when cooper went down you brought in josh reynolds <hes> second-year player moved him outside woods came inside where cup and played most of the time. Do you feel like that. Your death in that position is good that you feel like you feel good obviously with those three guys and then if anything were to happen you've got reynolds as a four or do you feel like you need to fortify now. We really like our four for sure and and i but i don't want to discount that when you do loser cuper cop it is it is going to affect you. You can't lose that caliber player and it doesn't now no team in n._f._l. Is going to give you sympathy so you gotta figure out how best to to overcome that loss as best you can and and the versatility robert woods really helps and and really all of our receivers have nice versatility as well see shawn's trying to put them in places where they make plays but and then you you sean within run a a little more personnel double tied in instead of the the eleventh so there's there's ways to overcome it but losing supercup his tough loss in it's it's not something you get over over easily last question for me. You mentioned the tight end so let's talk about higby and everett it. It feels like it was hard to sort of get a sense from watching from the outside in terms of how you guys felt like you know he'd be played more snaps but then in crucial moments everett was there and made some big plays and i think about the kansas city the monday night game against the city. Komo everett was huge down the stretch there. I'm just curious how you sort of see that position and and talk about those two guys in relation to each other in terms of playing time coming this upcoming i think he i think sean will tell them that they both have different genres and and gerald gerald can be an element of matchup issue and sean used him different than higby because of those goes reason so and i do think going forward in the future he would like to utilize utilize a little more twelve then he has in the past. The problem gets is when cooper cup spin on the field and we're in eleven personnel. We've we've been very successful and one of the unsung reasons we've been successful in that package is all three of those guys cooks. Cup and woods are really really tenacious ignatius blockers. He's a we've proven to be able to run the ball out of eleven right so it's it's. It's been analytics. Would i'd say all. We're in eleven a lot. Yes yes they do and a little bit of the reason because we can run the ball out of it and impassable right and it's hard for defensive coordinator to know what you you guys are doing right so there you go well. Listen less. You know i'm a fan. I appreciate the <hes> time very much and i'm looking forward to twenty nine. Hundred okay appreciate it. You never gonna hustle in case. You did matthew berry not you. You guys go ahead and give me grief for being on sportscenter for forty five seconds thinking a better than me because i don't think you gel bay. Hey you're you're terrible at tag. Impo and stuff fine you. Eh berry convert secrets but daniel mickley made the fantasy then style the.

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Free Agency Day 2 Recap! Rivers, Brady, Bridgewater and More (03/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Free Agency Day 2 Recap! Rivers, Brady, Bridgewater and More (03/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from CBS. Sports Gov email us at fantasy football ed CBS I dot Com took time to dominate. Your Fantasy League of of Chaney to hall of fame quarterback for camping teams for the first time in their careers putting over all hope. That's not not too personal Jordan. Howard will resume his hall of fame career with the dolphins. You listen to the Tom Brady. Emergency Show you know that. Obviously we're going to talk so much about Jordan Howard. Today and Teddy Bridgewater will continue maybe to throw underneath passes with Carolina this season. Let's talk about it all atom as you've heard from Jamie this week you've heard from Ben Gretch you haven't heard from Heath Cummings yet although I've been reading his his stories on the website on. Cbs sports dot com slash fantasy slash. Football he tell you how you hold it up. You still got a lot of energy. It's been a tiring well. It's been a busy week but a busy week. Yeah it's been an exciting week. It's been kind of hard to keep up like this morning. I tried to just take a couple hours and fix my rankings. And it was shocking. How much might top twelve top? Twenty four at each position had changed in just a couple of days. Then you talked yesterday about how the tight end position had had really changed. That was the first episode. We did yesterday then. We had the rivers news. The Brady News Bridgewater News. Not In that order. What's your overall. Look at this? Now you know you're you you step back you look at what's happened through the first two days of free agency and we still have more to come. What is your overall view? Now that this has been maybe the most entertaining free agency period I've ever had. I mean it's obviously bolstered by not having a lot else going on but we. Tom Left the Patriots. Philip rivers left the chargers And plenty of impacts on every other position at this point. I mean I think early like you said early on tight end. Was I think most significantly impact but at this point like fancy? Football's getting really shook up. Some it said to dig into it and NFL football getting up Jamie. What is your overview of free agency so far amazing. Pretty Cool right pretty fun. Yeah I mean look. You got a lot of movement The quarterback Carousel has been what we hoped it would be. You know a lot of guys. Changing teams For Big name guys tainted teams giving and You know we still have a couple of big dominos to fall. Melvin Gordon being the biggest for fancy I know Jordan Howard probably is your biggest move Also wants the Arabia Andersen. Go No so we have a couple of other big names in the rule out any traits. you know the the next one that we could hear. Unless he's just his CAM NEWTON TO WASHINGTON. Which would changes things with the redskins? So what else have cloudy looking to see where he ends up the defensive guys. I mean there's seems to be quite a bit of Heat on Cookson girly too. So I I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of Cook's girly is moved Brian Miller. Brian already ruined the market. So it's a little hard to trade todd Gurley but they need some graphics though the Rams so that wouldn't be a huge surprise so real quick before we get into whose value is changing the most the fact that we've got the virus going on and teams are going to be able to work with their players what. We don't even know when it's going to happen it's indefinite. How does that affect things guys? Zac give you any hesitation heath thought through I in In getting excited about players going to new teams when they're not going to have as much interaction with their coaching staff and presumably there teammate. Says they normally would? Yeah I mean I think it's definitely going to be situation specific and we don't really know yet how much that time is going to be impacted But there's certainly a situation where we're kind of the same type of situation thirty days from now six weeks from now and we don't have an idea for sure when the NFL teams are GonNa Start Practicing together. That I would be more concerned about some wide receivers and quarterbacks learning offense I mean you can learn an offense to the playbook but you really need to be out on the field practicing as well so it could be a point but at this point. I'm not quite worried about it. Does anybody worried about it? you know it's interesting because you know to the quarterbacks that move bridgewater's got a history with the coaching staff in New Orleans which o'brady as in in Charlotte with with Joe Brady Carolina which already Charlotte right eventually and Rivers Guys History. With coaching staff in Indianapolis but Brady that's GonNa be an interesting mix and you know we talked about yesterday. He's obviously been around the block enough to adapt to. I'm sure what terminology they'll be able to talk through Before it actually gets on the field but developing report with two receivers you know he. He knew everything that was going to do on and off the field most likely and That could take a little bit of time. He Adjusted Randy Moss. Right away when when he joined the Patriots. At least my recollection is he did and same thing with Wes Welker But those are things I think you have to be a little bit concerned about. But if they're gonNA delay the off season they're probably undulated season so we may not get the typical You know start right around Labor Day. You may get that push back a few weeks depending on how this all goes. Hopefully it's not but you know you never know so that could impact a few things but You know I think it's just you know the quarterback's changing teams are the ones you have to be a little bit concerned about. Hey guys in. The last ten seasons with the chargers how many wide receivers had double digit touchdown catches from Philip. Rivers Wide Receivers Lou. Low is not a number bed zero zero. Who said to me HE JAMIE? I was GONNA say two or three falsely three one Mike Williams in two thousand eight C and Antonio Gates. Did it twice Mike Williams? Once I was amazed by that Jackson never had ten touchdowns not in the last ten years. Maybe before that it's because he throws six or seven two running backs every year. Yeah Yeah and and really I think only one wide receiver had more than twelve hundred yards. And that's where Keenan Allen's been right around twelve hundred each of the last two years but he still. I may still Keenan Allen finishing consistently top twelve and NPR top like fourteen and non people. All right so let's do value up down to the same. Of course we're talking about T Y HILTON. GonNa wait a minute. Hold off on the chargers to we see what exactly their quarterback situation as we can get into it a little bit but value. They might have their quarterback situation right now until the draft. Yeah it's very possible. We'll get into that but for this segment here. Let's I'm I'm envisioning it. As somewhat somewhat rapid fire if we have to get into any of these in debated a little bit we can but let's start value down to the same for Christian. Mccaffrey can go up same same same unless he has old up. Dj More same same are I think we should get into. This is is Teddy Bridgewater. Going to throw for four thousand yards are the key. I think the bigger question is are the Carolina Panthers going to throw six hundred twenty. I mean there's probably not but I don't think they're going to be a competitive team. And the other teams in that division are gonNA score like forty points a game and so I would anticipate. They're playing from behind throwing a lot and yeah Teddy Bridgewater the Carolina Panthers approach four thousand yards passing. And I I think the biggest thing here is it's going to be really tough for Curtis Samuel to have his breakout. We know what Teddy Bridgewater succeeds that we know what we thought this offense was going to be about. Shorter throws getting the ball in space. Dj More has the perfect wide receiver to do that. I just think it's Like he's definitely better than Kyle on and he was just incredible with Kyle. Okay so we had one up in to the same XV I recall Already really high more. I agree with bridgewater lowest average. Throw death I'm going to mention that a few times today but It's just the average of how far downfield the quarterback throws it on all their throws lowest of inequality back last year. Who had at least two hundred dropbacks and now he goes to a team that I would say has the best. Like d'appel gang for Alvin Kamara. Michael Thomas which are you know a really good pass catching running back which is always going to be targets. Closer to the line of scrimmage and a legitimate number one who catches a lot of balls? Near the Line of scrimmage in Michael Thomas McCaffrey more are those guys for Carolina. Maybe you could say like echo learn Keenan Allen or another similar combination but this is a great fit for for Teddy Bridgewater. I would say the best fit and more targets are locked in now. He's going to get these types of targets. All Right Cool Curtis Samuel. Same said yes. Values are low so same One quick note on him. He was the only player in the top fifteen of total area last year to not have a thousand yard season. Healy had six hundred twenty. Seven receiving are two wasn't even close to a thousand yards kyle. Allen was so bad on the field so even if bridgewater is a short area thrower when he pushes it downfield. All he has to do is better than awful at pushing downfield in it could be better for Samuel than last year. Okay how about Tom Brady value up down to the same to the moon to read He. I feel like I read your projection story yesterday. I feel like you're you are higher on Brady now than you may have been when when it was just a fear like just a concept of. Maybe he could go to Tampa Bay. Did you find yourself surprisingly optimistic on him? I think that's a very good way to find it. And it's just like the thing that gets really difficult is I again. I think Tampa Bay is probably gonNA throw a bunch of passes like it's Bruce Arians offense and so. I don't think Tom Brady sucks. Do I think he's going to be as good for Mike Evans? James was probably not but I I. It's going to be really sixteen games in Brazilian system with those weapons. He's going to be a top to a quarterback. It's just hard to see. I wouldn't be well. He was he believe it or not. He was twelfth this year. So yeah he should be twelve. Next year and Winston was fourth does Brady have a lot of upside. And before you say yes though. He is going to be among the lowest if not the worst he and rivers. Probably the lowest rushing yardage totals among quarterbacks I mean brady Russia's for thirty yards year basically. And you know we know that's a stat that seems to be a trend among quarterbacks. Obviously they wrote that. That just keeps them from being top-five guy. I mean he's still somewhere in the neighborhood of Eight to twelve. If things go right I mentioned on the show last year again. The average throat depth thing. He's been under eight yards of average throw depth which is on the low end in four of last five seasons. I mentioned that in the emergency pot. Yeah digging into that. One season where he wasn't. It's the one year Brandin cooks played in New England. It's the one time he had a legitimate downfield threat and he was actually up above nine yards of average throw death more than a yard higher than each of his other four of his last five seasons also in that year. Two thousand seventeen he led the NFL passing. You're just a couple years ago. Yeah he was number ten quarterback passing upside with these weapons. Now for sure number now you have two teams in the division. That are retooling Defenses Carolina. Just Lost James. Bradberry look equally. We know what that team is. They're NATO rebuild mode you look at Atlanta they lost your fond vic Beasley two guys that were started from last year and they have a hard time staying healthy New Orleans going to be the one that has a he is gonNA frustrate him but I mean if if you were to say defensive struggle with that game were shoot up with that game when those two teams meet each other. You probably lean toward you and so i. I think he's going to have any distance division six games where he has a chance to put up big numbers. Chris Guy when Mike Evans value up down to the same same. I'm down for Evans. A little bit. I think you have to meet in the middle a little bit. Yeah I'll go Basically the SA- I don't think I moved. God what am I ranking? Sir He might it's projection may come down just a tad but Down slightly for Evans. Julian Edelman obviously down big now. He's in great great situation. We'll see we'll see you know what's funny is and obviously the circumstances are different but the fact that Brady is saying making demands to have Antonio Brown come with him and not saying hey go go get Julian from the Patriots. You could probably get him a little bit cheaper. Now if New England going into rebuild mode like that that to me a little funny there really a scenario Keith. You said we'll see which quarterback could the patriots bring in that would not be a downgrade settlement Najer. Mom died candy really the the chemistry downgrades Brady and admitted it might be a little like I. Okay so we don't know. How big downgrade is I? I didn't have as high as where he finished last year. I thought there was some concern with with his age and Brady's age so yeah. His injury situation is like always a reason. We're lower on him than we would. Project Him for like receptions with Brady Right. And so that I think it's up to the forefront now that his production isn't as safe we also know that he has a really hard time playing sixteen games. I'M NOT GONNA draft him in a single league this year. Julian Adamant Yeah Okay next up value up down to the same O J Howard up slightly up slightly. Yeah he's still right now from from everything that I've heard from people that I've talked to Bruce Arians can trust Howard okay and I do wonder you know. Does Tom Brady love tight ends or did he just have the best tight end in? Nfl history and also Aaron Hernandez. It was awesome. I was you know it wasn't like every tight end was great with Tom. Brady Yeah No. It's it's just an unfortunate situation because I didn't go. Jay Howard is clearly talented You know Bruce Arians before he got the Tampa Bay made it very clear that was not a priority for him and his offense as a pass catcher and he got a chance to look at OJ Howard before they took the field and he was like. Wow this guy is a physical specimen. Let's make him part of the offense and it didn't work and so does Brady. Joining the team automatically changed that I hope so I really really do. But until you see it. You cannot draft him as a starter. He's the type of guy you take as a I'm gonNA take a chance on somebody who's got potential to be really good if things work out the best example. That's the only way you can drop them. The best example. I guess I think of a Non Gronk tied. And we'll be Martellus Bennett in two thousand sixteen. He had a really good year at seven hundred yards and seven touchdowns with gronk playing eight games. So that was that was impressive. Philip rivers to the colts value up down to the same same. Who Down Okay? Why why up? Jamie for rivers the much-improved offensive line. You saw in two thousand eighteen when he had the better offensive line play that he was a significantly better quarterback than he was last year. So I'm hoping that protected is a big key for him. I'm not drafting him. He's not a even a top fifteen guy for me but He was outside my top twenty four if he stayed with the chargers he's slightly inside so by upper and he. Your thoughts on rivers to the colts is Jamie said res- offense lines completely right. His weapons are just significantly worse and he had a lot of six hundred pass attempts seasons with the chargers. I don't expect they really drew back the passing game which perset no. They'll throw more than they did last year but I don't think we'll see him throwing near as much as he did with the chargers and he doesn't most importantly he doesn't have a back on the roster that can do the things that necklace did after he dumped the ball off to him may name Heinsohn Marlin macro probably gonna be like six yards per target and Ecker gave him an extra three yards. Every target does this stat surprise you because it surprising the hell out of me as I'm looking at it right now. The colts like last year. They scaled back the passing with percent but two years ago with Andrew Luck second in the NFL in pass attempts. That doesn't surprise me but I don't think they'll go back there. There's super game script dependent right now or they have been for two years now under Frank Reich. Where if they trailing games they will throw really heavily completely abandoned Marla Mac snap share will completely plummet that week. It's very highly variable week to week if they lead. He'll run twenty eight twenty nine times. They and I like it. I think it's smart from an analytic standpoint but I don't think teams are that heavily game script dependent as the colts have been the last few years there in another receiver at some point It it. It's fairly obvious. If you hear anything coming out of the colts it was all surprising that they made a trade for divorce buckner because that was kind of a sweet spot for CD. Lamb Jerry duty you know maybe rugs if they were going to be infatuated with speed But now that is totally out of the question but this is such deep receiver draft that they can find somebody on day two and still be. Okay I do think this is huge for ninety nine. Big Big boost. Ram and okay. Let's do two more here. We'll kind of all opened up the Florida. You guys and you can debate. I want to know where the controversy is where. The rankings controversies R. T. Y. Hilton up down to the same. Do you think he whereas the union rankings. We're told him just outside top twenty four twenty for me now. Twenty one maybe twenty or twenty. One I don't have rankings by like he's number better. I think I'm going to have him up around twenty at least stays healthy. That's the big thing is is that the biggest factor there. Because I feel like you could certainly make the case. That if he's healthy based on what we saw him do with Andrew Luck based on what we've seen from Keenan Allen with Philip rivers including last year that should be higher than twentieth more like Phil River last year. That's amazing no Kina last year. You know what I'm saying based on Hilton with Andrew Luck and Keenan Allen with Philip rivers. If T Y Hilton stays healthy I would imagine. He's finishing in the top fifteen. Well it still goes back to what Ben was saying about Games you know. It's it's going to be targets in how how much they're gonNA throw the ball on how. How much upside a lot? Okay and Hilton's not many I mean obviously you know this. But he's not anywhere near the same type of receivers keen announced of target wise. It's hard to kind of project. The same river still takes downfield shots right like we saw Mike Williams get a tiny area All sorts of different receivers played that role for rivers throughout his career. Vincent Jackson Whoever But I I think it'll be harder for Hilton to have type target numbers fair enough and finally Jack Doyle down to the same up just barely. Has Anybody excited about Jack? Doyle I am. He was good a couple of years ago. And Eric Hebron's gone. I think Ibrahim had a pretty big impact on him if they don't add another tight end. That's yeah if if if we get to. May and their tight end room is exactly the same. I'll probably object oil like twelfth at target as I recall when when he broncos hurt. We were excited about the oil. Because the history had been that he was a monster guy when he would get featured and then he was just really useless. Fantasy the last four games of the season. We're just terrible for him. Jacoby preset wasn't good. So yeah this is certainly an opportunity right now project oil all right guy. So where where? Where's the controversy like like? Let's get fired up here. Give me some heartache. Okay I can do it. Okay We you may have missed the guy who haven't quite settled on where I'm going to be on this. But I think the biggest loser might be hopkins biggest loser. Yeah this this'll be a better one for Dave. Dave the loves the GO ON YET. I Want I. Here's here's my concern. It's a couple of things One Cliff Kingsbury like one of the things that makes him a an innovative young exciting mine in the. Nfl is the fact that he doesn't hasn't historically in college or is one year in the NFL. Distribute the ball in the way that NFL teams did for so long where. You're throwing it to one guy one hundred fifty times and then maybe one other guy hundred. He spreads the ball around very unpredictable. And I would expect that. He's never had the Andre Hopkins on his team before so I would expect that's going to change this year but I don't think it's realistic to expect that the Andre Hopkins is going to get ten plus targets per game again. The other thing is Hopkins. Efficiency fell last year. And if you look at his career it's like he's Awesome. Not The way he earns targets is awesome and he's he's very very talented but in terms of a yards per target basis. He's pretty average like he's right around eight yards per targets Four guys over one hundred targets per year. That's that's just pretty normal. And so if he's one hundred and forty targets over sixteen games then. I don't think we're going to see elite production. And there's reason to be concerned that his touchdown totals we've seen from the past like one of the things I put on. Twitter was yes. I Agree. Cliff? Kingsbury is offense. System is more exciting than what they're doing in Houston but Houston was definitively. Good for an Alpha number one wide receiver and we don't know that Arizona's is then and also kyle is not as good of a quarterback is to Shawn Watson Right. Now Yeah Right now. We'll find out how much of it was the. Yeah that's a great point could be true. Well all right Ben. So you seem particularly Perturbed by by Heath's unperturbed. I think that's a good really good point. And that's about spread offenses. And the percentage of targets that wide receiver ones can can get in those more modern open offenses and It's been a trend for for multiple years as seen more three wide. Receiver Sets League went to really heavy eleven personnel. Maybe like a half decade ago is all And we've seen smaller percentages for number ones league-wide as a result essentially so yeah. I actually completely agree with all that I think Hopkins is good enough. And he's shown that he's good enough regardless of quarterback because even when Watson got hurt he was still really good with. Tj Gates at cornerback and things like that so I I agree with that. It might be difficult to get the same number of targets. I tend to believe that he's going to still be very productive because he's like just very very good at football And it's tough. It's tough when ever-wider she was changed. Teams like we saw Odell Beckham Master. Yeah he was backed up. But we've seen with a ton of receivers. Changing teams new offenses tend to struggle in your one but man. Deok is kind of a different beast for me. I think one thing that's interesting to see is was last year a byproduct of talent around him staying healthy to an extent fuller from when he was healthy. Can he still has been on the team and the yards per catch going down was that the offense change his role potentially changing to some degree or is this him slowing down. He's never been a fast guy in context of what fast guys are. He's one of if not the best at contested catches and you know catches in traffic and all those things This is going to be an interesting test is he? Is HE GONNA go downfield more? Is he going to have more explosive? Plays if that happens then his number should maybe not increase but Stay the same fantasy wise however that sort of matriculate but if he's slowing down then it's GonNa be a problem He's twenty seven. I don't know I I don't think he is. I'm I'm just saying you know. When you see your. We had this conversation with around when when yards per catch goes down and not not steep. Drop off but drop off. You know you have to wonder why and you know I. I don't know what the answer but I make this point every time we every time we brought up. Antonio Brown his yards per catch went down three seasons ago. Two Thousand Sixteen. It was twelve point one and it was like. Oh He's getting up there in age and then fifteen point to the next year or so that right. And that's that's my point is that you want you want to see that you a you want to see the the rebound in in that category. If in fact it's just a matter of town around and now he's GonNa situation where I mean. They're still telling around him. You know if Christie Kirk continues to improve whether his numbers bear that out or not. He's improving player. Larry Fitzgerald Still GonNa get numbers what degree you have a good pass catching running back. Quarterbacks GONNA run they should try to get tonsil from the Texans. They probably could like a third round pick number. They obviously need to get better on offense and this was a team that was second worst in the NFL and time of possession and they were twenty. Second in plays run. Plays from scrimmage so I imagined Karnal. Sorry the cardinals have to get better on offense. Second Worse Than Time. Of Possession. And twenty-second in scrimmage plays so I you know. I don't know where they're going to end. Up ranking in scrimmage plays at their offense really clicks. Because maybe they'll just be a really low time of possession team by design. And maybe they'll have a lot of big plays and scrimmage plays could be deceiving but I was expecting a higher number of plays. Run by the cardinals. Am I wrong in expecting that? They told you to expect that their plan was to be. I think some of the pay stats. Don't really look at like the time between plays indicate that they did play faster than their total plays. They just put not maintain drives. I do think that if things go like exactly the way they have them drawn up. They'll be in the top five in the league in terms of offensive plays right. I'm not sure there. The other thing is defense got you also feel every once in a while and I think their defense is probably going to be on the field again. This year So I I project them for an increase in the number of plays an increase in the number of passes but I don't project them go from below average in terms of total plays to top ten in terms of total place. How much are you considering? So Jamie mentioned the the drop off in Hopkins explosiveness than I do. Have kind of answer for the why. His average depth the target last year was the dock area a yard and half lower than his previous career low. He had the fewest total air yards since his rookie year so he wasn't getting downfield targets last year at nearly the same rate so he wondering when you're projecting him and he said he's kind of Nicole average in some efficiencies. That's how much are you looking at that? Drop off in two thousand nineteen. I'm expecting a little bit of a bounce back but I'm not expecting an entire bounce back. I mean when you look at the Andre Hopkins Efficiency. There are basically two years that really stand out In terms of like extreme efficiency was over nine yards per target in twenty eighteen which was really the first full year via the Shawn Watson and then his second year in the League believe with shop he was over nine yards per target every other year. He's been right around upper seventies low eighties. I think I've got him right around eight right now. Eight point two something like that. I actually think the bigger loser is. What is Watson though? So Jamie's move Carla Marie head of Watson. He hasn't v Dave Watson Fourth. You Have Watson Seventh Heath and I wonder where it's GonNa go Jimmy Windsor next mock draft next week. I assume Yup yeah. I'm interested to see where he goes. I don't see myself drafting him right now. Obviously they're going to have to address the position other than Randall. Cobb what she's but I have no faith in the Texans right now. Just they look like a very poorly run franchise and having Watson at Hopkins was enough and obviously. Jj Watt and was enough to keep them as a contender. But I just the Arrow looks down to me for this franchise and I don't want to Shawn Watson certainly with a top five quarterback pick and I think I'd take take Josh Allen over Shawn Watson Bam rankings agree same. I've arranged A. I'm not see Jamie or josh out. Heath Okay Fifth and Watson seven and Jamie. I'm seeing Watson Five Alan seven but I'm assuming that just hasn't updated yet so but okay cool. Well I guess. I'm not that bold after all but I think I think Josh Allens the next thing that we like argue about because I had him one spot ahead of Cuyler Murray before free agency opened. I still have in one spot ahead of Kyla. Maria just moved. Put them both up five spots in my in my projections and rankings. But Yeah I don't know how much Josh Allen going to improve as a passer but he just got one of the best wide receivers in the NFL Added to his didn't didn't he did come up as well but I feel like everybody moved cuyler. Murray up and not as many people have been talking about Josh Josh Allen. Being a surefire fantasy sorta this year. He's locked in top ten for sure. We're all pretty. He was stopped me before the Morocco to announce definitely solidifies it. I'm not as high as you guys. Though I mean I know we love all the rushing stats that he brings for fantasy. But he also has two of the top ten rushing touchdown seasons from a quarterback in NFL. That's GonNa be a hard thing to do every single year of his career or continue to even this year Cam. Newton for instance start his career with two seasons in the top. Ten all time rushing touchdowns for quarterback and then he fell off and he's never hit those heights again at any season sends. I don't think Josh Allen is GONNA run for eight or touchdowns most years and he's yes. He's done it two years in a row. I still think that's hard to to expect and like you said I don't know that he's going to be that accurate again still. I'm going to have him probably key six. Qb seven very very clearly. Top Ten But I- digs helps this guy's never thrown from the two hundred seventy yards in a game like we see the highlights. See the big arm. We see Downfield completions how he never had a three hundred yard game in twenty nine games at the NFL. Also because he's so inconsistent from play the play so to me he's not a guy who has top three top five upside by either. You still drafting John Brown. In the first ten rounds I ten rounds probably. I don't like I don't think he's going to completely disappear. I mean ten route one hundred twenty players or not like there are plenty of room for a top forty wide receiver. He's still my top forty. Let me see the wide receivers that went last week and our draft around in around ten. Let's see Nikiel Harry. Deontay Johnson. Hunter Renfro Jeffery. Yeah I would take John Brown over all of those players. Okay how about over Moco Hartman? Who in round nine a currently? Let's see Sammy's degrees to rework. His contractor gets cut so want to promote a few things real quick here. 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I mean he's going to be the most annoying back of running back in football after they draft somebody or will it go the Mile Sanders route where he'll be the most annoying starting running back in football Jordan Howard and we're waiting for that rookie to to get the chance to be unleashed probably and you think they're going to draft. Someone significant right the dolphins. Well I mean you know. They're in the range with their third pick in the twenties to To get a running back so I I would. I would hope that. That's something that they consider depending on how they handle five and eighteen on the NFL draft. They're not gonNA take one five obviously I don't think they'll take one at eighteen but Even if it's Day to you know this is a great running back class. They have plenty of ammunition to to get somebody that they hopefully like You know if it's somebody who is ready to go right away John Taylor Swift's You know that's that's GonNa feel a lot like the mouse andrew situation if it's You know I can make complete right away but you know somebody. Maybe that could take a little bit more grooming That that may take a little bit longer but look that they were going to add a veteran regardless. This was a disaster of a backfield. After the Jada Kenyan drake killing Balaj thanks Maoz Gaskin and Patrick layered or not starting caliber running backs in the NFL and so they needed something It was either going to be something significant Gordon. Maybe devante Freeman after he was like. Oh but Jordan Howard from what they're looking for profiles as the type of guy who can be a placeholder until young running back has ready like he wasn't Philadelphia here at crazy Jordan Howard Stat. Yeah Yeah he still just twenty five right four point three hours for carrying his career just had his worst season but he's played four years. This is just average line like full season line not sixteen game pace. This is just what he's done in four years divided by four two hundred twenty four carries per year. Nine hundred seventy four rushing yards seven and a half touchdowns like that's for a twenty five year old back with a a reasonable yards per carry average. That's his four year average. That's like really good is it? It's a thousand yards and seven and a half touchdowns per season. Yeah but but so little passing game production shirt which which hurts A. He's basically like you really you kind of need underscore most weeks you know. Jordan Howard is is not exciting option. He's like I guess kind of what Carlos Hyde was last year although they started featuring with him with the eagles for three or four weeks shop my head and they said we're going to join our the ball and he got the ball more and he did. He got the ball. We're GONNA score while you remember that reference. And he did pretty well with it but they're obviously gonNA bring someone in there. How about There's not really a lot of other wide receiver news. The Patriots signed demure bird. Big and Tom Brady apparently wants to play with Antonio Brown according to NFL network. That would not be good for Chris. Goblin and Mike Evans would assume we'll see what happens. There and the VEGAS REITER SIGNED JASON. Witten to a one year deal heath that affect Aaron Waller. I don't think it. Will I think foster monroe had five touchdown as the second tight end and he's not expected to be ready for the start of the year? I guess they're going to run a lot of two tight end sets. I saw signed witten. I thought well I guess they're sticking with car they should he's he can't whitten can't run more than five yards. Downfield and car doesn't throw it with five years. There are perfect pair. There's GONNA be some annoying weeks with this with waller and wooden yeah. I'm down on wall around this. I mean Renfro was already cutting into short area targets at the end of last year when run was active waller's target rate just plummeted late. Mir. Now you're adding second tight end with you know. I know he's really old but he's got a track record and waller was a one year breakout at age. Twenty seven last year old you know. Is He really that established the only saving grace if you can look at it as they haven't added anything yet at the receiver position and he's a former wide receiver so he could do obviously a variety of different things to help his offense and I think he's clearly established himself as as as a playmaker here so I don't think I don't? I don't speak for you then but I don't think people should get away from him as a starting fantasy tight end but it's now comparing him to know where he was in the conversation for. Maybe even the third best fantasy because of Jason witten or because of Hunter Renfro and Jason Clermont like Jason. Witten on one. But when you start to get you look Kelsey and Kessler Stab. Was there the top two guys? Three through eight. Is I think very much up for debate of the order and so now it's not nitpicking. Me Andrews clearly had a waller. Oh Yeah I agree. I think he's still a starting tight an atom. It's a good question. It's not because Jason Witten. I was already already thought his targets. Were precarious I thought. A lot of his high target had to do with so few other options last year they obviously tried to bring it in Tokyo Brown to be their target hog number one. I expect they're going to draft that type of wide receiver this year So I was expecting especially when we saw late near when he had a little more competition at renfrew stabbed himself at that impacted. Waller's ability just rack targets are expecting waller to not be able to maintain that high target share. But it's just everything else is adding to that so now I'm like okay. I gotTA keep bumping back like he's not going to have a massive amount of chart. I anticipated having this discussion about waller after the NFL draft or something but not with the addition of Jason Witten. Let's just you know they're gonNA bring it. I just I just downgraded in one spot so I-. Npr had waller ahead of of Andrew Nye have Andrews ahead of wall because I was called on them to be. I honestly had not. I'll I'll look at it a little bit closer but they threw the ball last year. Forty four times to foster moreau and Derek carrier. There's plenty of targets and Marcel. Eightman had ten targets. Like there's there's plenty of room for a second tight end to get fifty targets in this offense. Maybe maybe it'll hurt waller a little bit. I guess Andrew is kind of interesting because ten touchdowns on ninety eight targets that feel like sort of a lot especially in the second half of the season I mean. He had forty three targets in his last eight games. He's not going to repeat touchdown rape but I just think the should be that the Baltimore is going to throw at least a little bit more. And he's there number one option you think. He's their number one option or do you think. Mark Brown elevates to that I think he remains their number one option. This year. I think Mark Brown healthy takes away from Andrews but I also agree with that. They're gonNA throw the ball over more and I think Andrew's memory battled through some injuries at the end of the season. So hopefully he's a hundred percent and you get closer two hundred twenty targets Jamie. Is there any team? That's significantly upgraded. Their offensive line gets mix you excited about the prospects and fantasy in the jets just in terms of bringing guys in but that doesn't necessarily change things for fantasy too much help bell With free agent signings so far nothing that jumps off the page. Otherwise yeah the jets brought back Alex Lewis Guard they have a new center now Connor McGovern and they brought in George fans but none of these guys are stars or anything like that and maybe the big name so far has been boo Laga. The chargers signing Brian Lago. Who's good but getting old? Yeah it was funny Brady Quinn on On CBS birthday skew thought with the blog and they brought somebody else back right or science. Somebody else trae. Turner. Yeah with with the trade portray Turner that. He's he said. He thought well said not pretty well for Tom. Brady to go there and have a good offense line. Yeah and by the way the biggest names Konkan Ben and I talked about him yesterday. Cleveland Signing Jack. Conklin to a three or forty two million dollar deal with thirty I mean. That's that's not. Grab just talking about significant Siamese across the board known I I would say maybe the chargers what they did with Turner and blog in all right so tomorrow. We'll have one more show for the week. Well we'll see how the news goes. Make sure you're watching. Hq I wanna read an email by the way fantasy football it. Cbs added Com. Not done with the show but Jamie can you give us a little programming note for HQ? Yes so we're going live To sort of recap all the stuff on. Cbs SPORTS HD two Noon on Thursday noon on Friday noon eastern on Thursday and Friday. So we'll be recapping All the moves You Know Fancy Wise. A lot of the conversations. We've been having here but it'll look a lot prettier and Because of the graphics not because of our faces everybody. Here's pretty And then what we will be doing In the event of Any further shutdowns around the country We're GONNA tape some shows to recap free agency off season moves so far look ahead to the NFL draft kind of go over rankings those shows on CBS sports HQ will I hope never see the light of day to be honest with you because that means that everything is fine but They may be airing on our on our network Some point in the next week or so so this guy travel holy is his name. He wants to get us in on a little discussion. He had with his friend. I started this argument with my friend. About number one wide receivers real-life number one wide receivers not fantasy wide receivers. And how many teams need a true number one wide receiver? I decided almost half the league needed one based on player ability and track record not rookies guys on their first. Goodyear like devante. Parker what do you think about number one wide receivers and what you think about a guy like Julian Edelman. Is he number one wide receiver or just good for fantasy? Oh He's definitely off question. Yeah he's definitely not a number one wide receiver that is because not been been with the you know kind of a nuance thing. GonNa have different opinions about does. I don't think he meant the portion of it. The rest of it is philosophical playing the slot in the modern era. It's a lot different about these. Nfl's I don't think it's crazy at all right. Michael Thomas plays out of the slot. You call him number one so I think you can make arguments settlement. He's definitely better than adamant. He's got more playmaking ability not comparable. I'm saying that just because it opens slot plays out of the slot but I can't imagine their slot percentages are the same they are. Oh every every that he'd never lines up outside Michael Thomas Outside sometimes okay. But but by definition when he's standing on the last seaver on the outside I sure. Sure Okay I'll ask you this. Because he started the show with the Saint Philip Rivers Hall of Famers Element Hall of fame. Yeah well you don't WanNa to penalize them for PD's. I think he has because his playoff performances. Yeah it's been it's been pretty Damn Clutch. Come comes up big do you. He is I think he's GonNa be in the conversation. I don't get it but I think he'll be he'll be on about. I don't think he's I don't think he is a number one wide receiver though. Why no I I would say. He's much more of a much more of a number one wide receiver than he is a hall of Famer. When I think the playoffs stuff is GonNa put him into the hall of fame. The success he's had he's got like six hundred catches well. Well number one update. I I lied in the slot about two thirds of the time. Michael Thomas only thirty percent of the time. Thanks goodness I felt really stupid for a while. I don't get to be right on this all right. I needed that. I needed. That has got to win their Hoffman. Yes for the same reason. Juliette Element is in the hall of fame. I Dunno Juliana was at Mo- more good years. No he had three good years. That's about the same. Oh Geez forget about how good Eli Manning was. So what do you guys think about? Do you need a number one? Wide Receiver has not. It has not been a position. We haven't decided where the number one receiver is. It hasn't been a position that has translated to super bowl victories. I'll say that the Texans are GonNa be our best test case because what they have right now is to deep threats to slot receivers in Cobb who they added an in cutie. They already had like eight tight ends. I mean they still have fails in aching back with Jordan Thomas who had some touchdowns back in twenty eighteen drafted Holly warring last year. And he's going to a second year. They have two of the best pass catching running backs in the league. They have all these like role players for passing game. So they're going to be our best test. Does this impact John Watson? Because if if he can play through that that maybe you know they obviously just lost one of the best number. Ones Adam is. Dj More Number One wide receiver. I would I would think he's he's trending that way. But I I would have to say the jury is still out on that but I guess yes he will be is is Portland Sutton number. One would say also think he's trending that way. Yeah in fact. I'm I think I'm probably more excited about cortlandt sutton than than Dj more. But because he's taller. Yeah Yeah. He's worth typical. I think borough pipe better catcher in your number one wide receiver Beckham. Not that tall buddy. That's true that's true but he jumps be jumps. Very High. Plus vertical has the equal a certain amount of feet and inches. Didn't Allen is is the legitimate number one slot receiver. If you're not saying that element is probably the best guy. Yeah and I. I think that can look okay if I'm being honest with you. I think that Tom Brady has made Julian Edelman. I think that's probably why I'm saying no. He's not a number one wide receiver if he went to another team he okay. Maybe now's not a great time. It's clearly at the end of his career and he's little beaten up he'd still have been good but I just think Tom Brady as accurate as he's been as good as he is for a guy like edleman I think Brady really made. Ataman a star. You could say that about a lot of wide receivers well but not Beckham. I mean you can't say that about Beckham. You can't say you want to know. We had his whole career with the giants. You can't say that. Eli Manning made Odell Beckham. You can't say that. Well maybe that's the that's more about Baker Mayfield that if that's the case You can't say that about the Andre Hopkins with all the crap he'd played with before Shawn Watson so I I don't really give you. Don't give you Beckham yet. I disagree with you. I mean I think what Beckham did with Eli. Manning was pretty extraordinary. Especially when you've seen all the play of interest running slants all the time and having to do all the work to take it himself for Iraq obviously Eli. Manning did not turn although Beckham and they'll go by but until we see Odell Beckham put up stats with another quarterback. He can't make that argument though. I can't make that argument argument. Is that Beckham Beckham. The arguments that he has nothing to do with the Browns said Eli. Manning did not make Odell Beckham. I think we can all agree on that. I hope so. Does anybody have a final thought on this? Do you need a number one? Receiver seen a true number one receiver. It'd be a good team to be a great team. The Great Team Yeah I mean I don't know the tyreek Hill. Qualify is a great number one receiver to me does go back and look at not just this year but like a lot of the super bowl participants in recent years. You'RE GONNA find that. They didn't have that while participants for. Sir San Francisco did not have one who nobody's one one. What's the Best Wide Receiver to Super Bowl lately? Julio Jones almost did who'd you say we kill sorry tyreek Hill people before this year. Though it was it was weird. It was like all these diva wide. Receivers were never winning super bowls all Adam Walker. He jumps really high so he makes up for it but yeah it hasn't been a position that is translated a super bowl wins. It's been Kinda of strange. Well that's why bill. O'brien made the move that he made take my ham sandwich and Deandre Hopkins. Give me back an old running back with the bad knees and the blood contrary to me the Texans the Texans have two of the five best wide receivers in football and they traded one of a and now it's time to To shy will okay. I'm just kidding you stop by the. Nfl is woefully number one wide receiver. We'll find out but I was just kidding he's top five in the AFC south I'll go yes I excel. We asked them. We know we know. Aj rounded one AJ BRAS definitely wants to Hilton's three age yeah HR DJ jerks up there. Yeah you take charcoal full right now. You're starting team short for sure. Probably Healthier I guess I'd have to Chart Chart Chart Brown and Hilton head of Willfuller. But if I'm starting a franchise I'm taking willful over. T. Y. Hilton. I don't know how are you. I don't know how much Hilton has left in the take. How much is we'll have left in the tank? He's got ten grade. He's got ten pro bowl caliber years. You gotTA leave you. Obviously Twenty Career Games on his knees. He'll be bills on the tank to drag him around because one of them is broken. Yeah well I don't know that he's worried to repeal the tyreek that at this point will fuller better than The receiver that Ben put on the Texans Cutie. What do you mean emits like? He's like a pretty says name. You Defy we already. We settle will fuller skinny still thinking. Oh no get out get Outta here yes we might be the number one. I had a tweet thread going about it. They're officiency similar but still has never had the type of volume fuller's had yet and fuller continued like like stills more productive and more of a bit role downfield role and fuller seen more volume. It's like you show. They auditioned rates did a very limited sample size of fuller. Seeing more volume. There's like a five game or seven-game stretch. Maybe where he got more than five targets per game in my heart. I really don't think that he thinks that. Kenny stills as better than than. I just think Kenny stills is very very good. He's underrated no he's very good. That's the other thing you're you're making a case against by comparing him to one of the most underrated players and so yeah I mean it's it should be a case for still has this has been. I gotta go see later. GotTa go by everybody. We'LL We'll talk to you tomorrow with. I WanNa hear from you. I'll be reaching out on twitter on facebook and email us or send an apple podcasts. 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Hard Sell: TCU vs. Oklahoma State

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Hard Sell: TCU vs. Oklahoma State

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Find out more information about joining the patriot community and getting access to said discord server. Dan now what is our show today. Well texas receiver jake. Smith entered the transfer portal. And i know you had a kind of an extensive guide to his pros and where he might end up. So i guess the floor is yours right other than jake schmidt. What does this show about. This is our news episode of the hard sell which people seem to be enjoying. It's one of our new concepts that we've looked weaponized for the listening public. In which both. You and. I a try to sneak it past that word. Thank you Each of us each select recruiting rival of sorts. And we did. Ohio state michigan last time. And you could make a case allows states remain recruiting rival is say alabama or georgia clemson. Because they're the ones in it for the most national five stars. It seems year in year. Out but i think within the big ten within certain conferences. We're looking to find those rivals or pseudo rivals or and this is the today's episode. Tcu versus oklahoma state was a suggestion. We got from a few people when we ask for suggestions not necessarily at the very top of each conference but To schools that find each competing for recruits more often than not year in year out and so with tcu and oklahoma state. Obviously it would have been higher profile to do texas oklahoma. But it's our show we don't need to doing. Tcu oklahoma state. I think romantic and lustful history with. Tcu i have nothing either way with oklahoma state though i i love a lot of their uniforms and have always treasured pistol pete in college football life. So that's who we're competing against. So i'm i'm representing oklahoma state. You're representing tcu. And we are going to even though we don't necessarily believe tie in dan what we're saying in defense of and attacking another school. We are behaving on behalf. We are acting on behalf of these schools as recruiters. And this is how we would recruit or and against these schools. Yeah we are ambassadors if you will. Four right are active. Thank you exactly the position. The name of the recruit so we agreed on the last show wide receiver which like instantly gives you an advantage. If i'm being honest if you're taking oklahoma state it's already a harder sell. I think for me as tcu. But we'll get into all that momentarily i to relative to first round receivers the last five years for tcu for that right here okay. So i don't think you are starting way way behind the starting line here. It's not bad. It's not as bad as initially thought but again would get into that momentarily. Do we come to agreement. On the name of route. His name is going to be junkier. Dachshund a combination of junkyard. Jim washington of course from oklahoma state and josh dachshund from tcu. He is six two and a half one hundred ninety three pounds from denton. Guyer high school. Which i believe is the alma mater of j w walsh in texas stent in is north of the dfw area. Maybe it's considered to be a dfw suburb classified but it's between stillwater. And in fort worth so that it figured to be a worthwhile. That's good so that's where we are in just in terms of his background. He is athletic. Obviously he's not like six three to fifteen so perhaps he's not that five star but he's versatile receiver and moved all around on his high school team and everything that higher level college football programs would want in a four star receiver. He's not a full five star but he's a four star has the potential to make early impacts for either for anything he ends up playing for okay and is just. You wants to stay relatively close to home. Which is why he's looking at the big twelve and he's narrowed it down to tcu and oklahoma state to schools where he feel like he feels like he won't get lost in the shuffle. You have you know. Sark has brought in some wide receivers. I believe are wide receiver talented texas more so at oklahoma and so he really wants to save his own way. Harv two blazes. Own trail blazers. I oklahoma state and you really do appeal to him. Play the music. Hopefully this gets the juices flowing. Dan i should have you know that i got a very reserved phone call from mama h shortly after last episode. And she's like you know you're just not very good at these episodes wheelhouse and then. We got a comment from boy ben on facebook. Who was a bit more aggressive in the way that he worded it but also not a fan of my tactics here. Recruiting is its doggy dog. And it's a little bit of a snake oil salesman. Well i don't think i. I think i did a fantastic job with both alabama and michigan. I think you just need to dig deeper. And you need to find the the colonel the core of your selling points and that's emotion. It's relationships and i don't know if you've fully tapped into yet you've done your research you know your stuff. Well you need to find. What's inside the stuff. Tie so mr junkyard dachshund. Do you go buy junk. Can we just call him junk. Is that okay. I hope so. I think the recruiter who recruited for georgia forgot the recruits name. A number of times. So it's good that this recruiter for tcu is really verifying junker. Junkyard if you want. Jr d- jr docs. Yeah whatever whatever works for you. Mr junk junk is fine. You know the college experience is all about growth. It's all about development. It's about jumping in here. Are you making the first pitch making the. I just wanna make sure okay. It's about getting you ready for the future. Both in football and the real world here at tcu we know there are no shortcuts but you can learn the process you can learn the process from the best of them you can learn from gary patterson. Gary patterson has been at the helm of this program now for over twenty years. He is fine tuned those dark arts of growth and development ever so gradually over the course of the last two decades. This is a program that turned into one of the big boys dan. Excuse me junk. Turn toward the big boys. They bootstrapped bootstrap their way from the whack to conference usa to the mountain west to now the big twelve. This is a growth mentality that is pervasive all throughout the tcu football program the tcu institution as an academic institution. It's part of everything that goes on in fort worth. It's how they constantly produce. Nfl talent how they compete for championships. How they get you ready for life after football on the other side of things actually in the classroom. Because look mr mrs junk. Feels very weird to say. That joe dachshund. I don't know maybe they go by jock. I don't know in the classroom what you'll come to know about. Tcu is at the core curriculum. It's well done. it's practical. It's set up with a focus on getting students prepared for the real world after graduation. It's a place that's big enough to feel like a big time. Huge institutional like the penn state's like the arizona state to the world but at the same time it's small enough. It's personal enough that your professors are actually going to know your name. So a degree from tcu is meaningful. Because you get that one on one attention when it comes to actually learning your desired discipline and it's also setting up from a practical standpoint so they can hit the ground running if you do have to go into the working world after you play your football career through going pro and something other than football. Is that what you're saying. Maybe okay yeah so. Tcu really gives you the best of both worlds but it is all about that growth and personal development. It is something that. Gary patterson something that the institution as a whole they take it very seriously and i think it's evident whenever you look at. Tcu that their roots are humble. But they've built themselves up as a football program as an institution to this level of being just national league. Now we we we we agent here. I can speak your an agent. I can use. I can use a royal we. I can go. They can do whatever i want. That is my opening pitch. Continue okay. i think that's it's an interesting opening pitch for sure. I'm going to focus on oklahoma state because that's that's where the good folks at the belinda. Kopf award are focused Justin blackmon of course wanted twice. Jim washington james washington yard a junkyard. Jim of course. James washington it recently and it's just been a really great place for wide receivers to to thrive on the field and stillwater is a fantastic place. Everybody in stillwater loves college football and shows up to the games big stadium. There's just something about oklahoma state and getting the best of big time football in a town. That's true college town not a city but a college town and between the facilities. That of course t boone. Pickens was able to spearhead and fund between the continuity with coach gundy in stillwater. Both of course with a storied career as a player and then longtime coach the continuity is there and the the offensive coordinators that have gone on to bigger and better jobs. You talk about dana. Holson and todd monk in and mike you're sick and recently sean gleeson and of course Casey done has been a fantastic addition. Not addition he's been there forever but you're going to be coached by the best in a big time place playing in big time big time rivalry game and bedlam. I'm not sure. Tc was at the revival re with baylor the the private school pillow fight. I just think there is something about junkyard. Dachshund that it just spells big time to me and i see a big time and i see a be with bullet makov. I see the whole package here with oklahoma state and a wide receiver from texas. Who's used to big time football so oklahoma state in makes sense to me. Obviously it makes sense to you on a certain level what we do. Is we develop players here at oklahoma state. Not just for the next level. But to succeed on this level to win to be a part of a prolific passing offense that for the past five years finished as a top fifty offense. We can talk about t. Sue if you want. But i'd rather just talk about oklahoma state here and how well we develop wide receivers offensive skill talent here in stillwater. And also the all american rejects not to be outdone throw also from stillwater. Oklahoma big with seventeen year olds in two thousand and twenty one circa nineteen. Seventy album came out. 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And we'll get into gary patterson fighter doug meacham on the topic of offensive coordinator's he has roots in the air raid. Which obviously is a very wide rece wide receiver friendly system. He is an aggressive minded playcaller. He has a knack for developing talent. Pretty good track record of doing that. And in particular getting his best players the football back. In the days of josh dachshund part of doug mitchum's offense and his ability to go down field his ability to focus on the best player on the field. Part of that is what made josh docs. Into a first round draft pick by the redskins and so he's a guy who if you come in with a lot of talent he will find that talent he will find ways to make it better but he will also try and use the existing offense to harness it and boo the entire the entire operation if he gets that reliable target. And i have to believe mr junk that you are reliable target. Sure he also likes to bomb it. Deep loves to bomb it deep. We saw it in two thousand sixteen with mr jackson your namesake. We've and saw that a bit last year in the absence of a true stud wide receiver. Good wide receivers knowing your caliber. Mr chuck but eighteen percent of tcu's passes went for at least twenty or more yards in the air that was among the nation's best so this is an offense. That's high flying offense that likes to rely on wide receivers and an offense. I should also point out that has produced two first round. Nfl draft picks from the wide receiver position in the last five years those being josh dachshund previously mentioned and of course most recently in twenty twenty jalen rager. I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from because what i'm seeing with. Tcu is. i'm seeing last season now. He was just what a receivers coach. Doug meacham you're talking about i'm seeing. Tcu as a one hundred and fifth best passing offense in the country so maybe they attempted a lot of downfield passing. You talked about that that one on one attention that you get going to. Tcu right. i don't know. If mr max dougan and the one on one attention that he was trying to put out into the universe so they were. There was not a lot of connection. Okay here's what i would say. Tcu was really poor. One hundred and second in terms of percentage passes two outside receivers. They threw two running backs slot receiver. So we're we're talking about big time receiver here. Who want stay like to move around. You said they like to move around in in high scorer he you that offense is is creative enough in that it knows how to get the right match ups. I don't think you're just judging from talking to mr mrs and and junk junior. I'm assuming that he wants the football in open space. He wants to football in ways that he can make the most impact. If you're looking for that i think. Tcu has shown proficiency and putting its players in a good spot to get those matchups and showcase what they can. Do you wanna showcase we can do in man coverage max dougan a qbr of ten point three vs man coverage in twenty twenty. So you gotta start showcasing. I'm right there with you. the problem though. Yeah and i think that's fair. We've gotten a lot of questions from other parents at the wider seizure addition about that very staff what. How do you guys against ban coverage what i would say what i have set to the junk. Vano mono what. I said to the junk family. Is that what we're trying to do at. Tcu at the receiver position is getting more athletic. We want to get more guys that wiggle more gossip. Shake that off of man coverage and put her off incident better position. We think that's as junkyard dachshund. no it's all hypothetical. The good news here is what we saw from spencer sanders from oklahoma state of quarterback quite proud of his progress and how he is a sending up the college. Football ranks a quarterback. We saw we saw him throw for four hundred yards against texas last year. Throw four touchdowns averaging ten yards per attempt and then how. He finished the season leading the pokes to a forty two three win over baylor and just three touchdowns it was eleven yards and attempt completing almost seventy percent of his passes the bowl game against miami with first round talent on that defense another seventy percent almost completion rate. Three hundred plus yards four touchdowns no picks. We're talking about a growth at quarterback. That isn't hypothetical it's something that we are already seeing. Seeing guys develop like thailand wallace. We're seeing guys developed. Dylan stoner marcel. Eightman these guys are accomplished on both the college level and making names for themselves on the pro level. We can't control that but obviously the way they contributed to us here in stillwater and in the big twelve and we're always quite impressed looking back at what they've done for us in these last couple of years so it's not a hypothetical for us we are. We are showing and proving that and we have been able to despite offers from other schools huge schools that we were able to keep casey done here in the fall. A great job. Now casey don. Maybe it's casey. Leon who knows who's to say. But i just have casey done here and i just it makes sense to me and there's something about stillwater and college football with fort worth great place an unbelievable city and you know the dfw areas a cowboys town. I'd love to say it's an oklahoma state cowboys town. It's pro sports town. And i mean frankly they're more. Ut people they're more oklahoma people in the dfw area and understandably so a tiny little private school. It's a cute story obviously and maybe aired. It's it's a small school nine ten thousand kids in texas. You have fifty thousand now. You just numbers wise. It's going to be tough to compete. And i get it. And you can be a little froggy or a blood frog hard to keep track. But you could be a cowboy pistol pete. There's just something about especially with the nfl stuff coming through. This is a college town. You can be the face of a college town. Not just another person in the dfw. Area you can. Wow i'll just. I'm just spitballing here. Tie in terms of the opportunities available. Do you want to be the face of little shop of flowers. Spin city laundry don evans window tints balanced coffee crouches heating and cooling. Whatever it is that does it for you. You are going to be influential. Don as water. Don evans window tint. Look it up okay. Reviews are fantastic. And we'd love to be involved don. I spoken to john. He'd love to be involved more with the program so there is something exceptional a real soon. Pickens done so. I think i have a number of friends who have been to fort worth of attended. Tcu and they have nothing but great things to say. And i'm taking them at their word. It looks fantastic but playing in a big rivalry like bedlam playing on the national stage. You guys getting drafted into the nfl at quarterback. There's just it's different level and that's why we see you as a different level wide receiver. It just fits. The facilities are second to none. Because of t boone pickens and his contributions to the program and his passion about poke football. You see all the uniforms. You see the fantastic facilities something like six hundred fifty million dollars. Lots to the school is a whole believer in both high level. Athletics and academics. So of course it's it's a fit it's just we see you and your style and your personality and you see the success that we've had with these high flying top offenses quarterback after quarterback coordinator after coordinator. And call me crazy. It just makes sense. It just makes sense. Marriage-made-in-heaven let me tell you. What else makes sense sense is if you get to the nfl if you're really serious about growing as a player you're really serious about growing as a person the mall won't last forever. You go to the place. It's got the track record chart doing all those things and you put yourself in the best position to succeed. Excuse me by working under the tutelage of one. Gary patterson we can talk a good game about mike gundy and the hair and that's a lot of fun. Yeah let's talk about. Gary patterson he's coached tcu for the last twenty years. He was hired december. Two thousand been there forever. Second longest tenured coach in college football. The only one who's been at his place longer as kirk fair at iowa. This is a guy who has coached. Tcu and four different conferences. Now i said at the top. The whack conference usa mountain west and big twelve. He's been there along that journey. He is such an authority on college football. Dan is he successful as a coach. Not only is. He revered by his peers in the coaching profession. He sings he sings. He dances. He's on american idol. He's on the espn film room. You can watch them with your own eyes. Every college football national championship. You can see him there. And you know what the other coaches are doing. As he's espousing his endless wisdom they're taking notes. They're taking notes. We saw it with major applewhite a couple years ago. Gary patterson is cedar right next to him. Nobody can get a word in edgewise. Because coach patterson just sees the game. He's like john nash. In a beautiful mind he sees it sure way. He sweats a little bit more to he sees it in a way. That many coaches do not. He is an authority on all things college football. He's an authority on that development aspect. That i think is just so vital and getting you to the next level. Well if you're looking for a coach who can't stop talking. May i tell you about coach. Mike gundy obviously coach. He's been there been water. Since two thousand five he lives and breathes. Poke football oklahoma state of course played for the school. He's been involved in the school. Obviously some people think he's a bit of a joke because of the i'm a man i'm forty but we're talking about somebody who goes to the mat for his players. We're talking to somebody who believes in having their back and me using the phrase having their back and going to the mat. It's not an accident because still water. Also the home of the national wrestling hall of fame. It's a hold on hold on time. School die will time athletics. Wasn't there an instance where the star running back for. Oklahoma state was so dismayed by the handling of certain events particularly as they related to mike. Gundy that he was willing to sit out last year that he took a really hard line was very open in the media against mike gundy. Is that the kind of player coach relationship that is cultivated. Oklahoma state is that the norm or is what should what should the junks expect from this. It's a great question. Tie and i can tell you this coach ghandi's looking at twenty twenty as a learning experience. He absolutely is and one of the great things about oklahoma state is. It's a place. Where somebody like hubbard is outspoken. Is developed is somebody. He feels comfortable in an environment to speak up. And say you know what something is wrong here. We need to fix this program from the inside and somebody like that. That's a man of oklahoma state. that's somebody who represents oklahoma state exceptionally well and mike gundy absolutely did not meet his own standard in what he did in two thousand twenty. But i can tell you. This is reinvigorated. He has reinvigorated as a coach. We all tie. I'm not gonna tell me tell you. i'm perfect. I don't think you would tell me your perfect. We all need wakeup calls. And that's what twenty twenty was for coach. Gundy and shubra hubbard in. The family of oklahoma state was able to help him wake up. Wow look if you're gonna if you're gonna use that against oklahoma state. That's a tactic. I you know that's a tcu tactic. I guess but it's a tactic. It's a sort of look if you're a private school if you're a small school and your punching up i gotta do whatever it takes. I get it. I get it i absolutely do. You know when i when i'm sitting here in front of the dachshund this the dachshunds. Excuse me there. They're just they're classic people tie the dachshunds through this weiner dogs since what that sounded like dachshunds. What what's the status of the oklahoma state footba silly season. I mean they're fantastic are saying how phenomenal. How fantastic how. Tell me dow more before i send my son there. Sure i want to know more about the facilities. What are we. What are we getting ourselves. The locker rooms and wonderful. The weight rooms are incredible. The uniforms just the combination upon combinations. Were we're here to help you pop. You look good you feel good. You play good. And that's something about oklahoma state. That were creative. We guys to stand out. We want the oklahoma state football program to stand out. We are we do whatever it takes to help differentiate ourselves because we feel like in stillwater. Oklahoma state is a different place. Different so whether you know whether you're you're mingling with fans eskimo joe's legendary legendary haunt in still water. That's up there with the best of places in the country in terms of college. Food eats drinks. Whatever i know fort worth has it was more of a honky tonk town if you wanna go varsity at the to step over there. Billy bob's i believe is the place that's good. That's cool follow your path. Everybody has their own journey. But there's some big time college football in stillwater. Oklahoma state and this is what we're selling here. We're selling the big time. Well gary patterson wanted to make more of a late experience. let's say in the full sheriff so ineffective. They built their own. Dave and buster's full on arcade all sorts of cool games trying to lighten the mood. Football's fun football serious business. We obviously will take the seriously at the same time. You got to be a kid. Man gotta be fun out there for not having fun as you said you gotta look good feel good. You gotta play good. All things need to work together. So let's build an arcade and our facilities. Make people feel good about it. Let's build facilities. That are so sipe notch so top if you're looking to attract children it's the move. It's absolutely the move to attract children and adult weirdos. Build an arcade new slash new slash. These kind of our children and adult weirdos and if aside we're talking about young men we're talking about molding these teenagers into young men and if for you that's gallagher and tekken that's cool. Also these facilities are so advanced across the board. Not just the arcade arcade something that people gravitate towards these facilities are so advanced that some nfl reporters who have been onsite have gone around and told their peers like these might be better facilities than most nfl teams. It's that advanced at tcu. They've really put a strong commitment in to bettering their facilities making sure that all the players have nothing but the best at their disposal. It's one of the ways that they were able to get into these bigger and better conferences over the years by demonstrating time and again that they've got a real serious ongoing commitment to the football program. And so you can trace that line all the way back to gary. Patterson started all the way back in the halcyon days of the lack right when he coached one game at the end of the year through conference. Usa through the mountain west all the way up into the big twelve. That through line has always been incremental. Approach finding ways to make the program ever so slightly better from year to year to your ear. And that's where we're at now. The facilities are second to none second to none. Yeah i think. Tcu is using those facilities wisely. Because you don't just get to four five. Six wins every year in dilapidated facilities and so tcu as a six win program. They're doing what it takes behind the scenes and hats off to gary your shirts off to gary whatever it is whatever cartoonish thing gary patterson is doing these days but just winning games developing players. I think what. We're focused on here at oklahoma state just you. Now it whatever it is the arcades the second to none the nfl reporters this is all. It's all external tie tight knit family here. At oklahoma state and we focus on football we will focus on the development of young men. Here and again it's fantastic arcades children. Whatever it is that you were going on about tcu. I think it's great. It's great for some people but for big time. Receivers like junkyard dachshund. We're focused on some bigger real life stuff. That's all my gundy's been at oklahoma state for fifteen seasons now sometimes two thousand five yes heavily. Invested teen seasons only six double digit win seasons so we can talk a great game about. Yeah you know you gotta spend all that money to get. The six wins by. I don't see a lot here on this coaching resume. That excites me dan. Yeah i mean. If if oklahoma state were a mountain west program conference usa wack. Because you were talking about you know those numbers might look a little bit different but again it's it's a big time program and always has been and i think it's really nice that tcu has found. Its way you know it took sort of stops and starts to this level but It's gonna take some time for gary patterson too fully get used to things a playing playing big all. That's all that's okay Okay so i like there. Is there anything else selling point. Tcu quarterbacks fort worth you really have a mentioned. I don't know i don't really feel about fort worth to the catalyst with you. I know here's know about fort worth. Here's about for the only thing. I know about four worth. I've never been there. I wanted to go. I have a chance of weird. I've been down there. A bunch of times never had chance to go tonight. I'm gonna try to fake it. Call me out if you went on a care. All i've been told about fort worth is that you've heard of the wild west. The wild west starts in texas. Anyway when you get to fort worth doesn't start in dallas stars in fort worth is that is that accurate. That's an something that you've heard. I couldn't tell you either way. Have you been people's experiences. I have been a fort worth. And i enjoyed it nice. I'd love to go. We didn't we didn't have any time i've been to texas. I've never had a chance to go now. It's it's a good place have been stillwater i haven't been to stillwater. Inch now your. What are your thoughts. We everywhere norman's fine fine it's fine. It's got a reading endorsement for the state of oklahoma. Norman was well. I'm enormous right outside of oklahoma city. It's a little bit different. It's a different experience. I'm just telling you right now. Oklahoma state is big time athletics. We're about to see what the number one overall nba draft pick there's a gravity to stillwater. Gravity to oklahoma state the best of the best find themselves at oklahoma state. sure taking credit for cade cunningham. I'm not. I'm just telling you about the gravity and what it means to be a polk and cade cunningham saw this experience in stillwater and said you know what i want to be part of it. I wanna be a part of a big time basketball player. Big time wrestlers. It just keeps happening over and over again that big time means a big move to stillwater. Ironically enough nothing stay still at stillwater. Always moving we're always moving here. Did you just make that up. You just made that. I did yeah. That's pretty good. Thank you all right. Well solid verbal. Gmail.com is e mail right in unload on us. Let us know your thoughts on how we did. With this your argument we will also obviously be posting to all of our social channels where you can again weighing and tell me how delusional i am for the last five years. Tcu has not produced a top. Fifty offense i. I worry about junkyard dachshund like. I'm going to keep me on nights a little bit if you make a choice to go to. Tcu like how do you showcase your receiver skills. If you can't get the ball. See your story. And i stopped about finding chicago. I've thought i've given this look. This is me diving inside the stuff. Time inside the stuff. I can't tell when you stopped recruiting. I'm always recruiting thai twenty four seven. I mean the line would have been. You can't tell when. I started recruiting. That would have been the wine but you can keep down for next time. I was on or done. I lay racy. Akc casey we. Don i like your argument. I think it's i think this was the hardest pairing that we've had because all the other ones the two schools that we've done before in both cases right. We just had more material to work with so recruiting a wide receiver to either of these. Two schools was inherently much more difficult. Because they're just not as big. A programs are not as steep with rich recent college. Football success right. It was harder as much harder. Yeah i mean but the good thing about this one. Is there similar to tcu and oklahoma state similar in that they have had big successes that have not carried over two two three four year runs. But what tcu is in the two thousand sixteen. They demolished ole miss in was twenty four team with the demolished oldness. Forty two three in peach bowl. I believe and home state went to the sugar bowl. That was two thousand sixteen. Also against ole miss and eliminate lost. That game So you know you have trevan boykin twenty fourteen. You have higher highs now. Oklahoma state has more offensive firepower. But tcu even when the rose bowl. There's just a higher ceiling. I would say that. I would push i would have pushed. Tcu just on bigger stages more often and bigger national conversations but oklahoma state was number two in the country before they lost to iowa state. So they're very similar. Which i think makes it like my job is michigan. Recruiter was harder against ohio. State and georgia was probably a little less hard against alabama. Just because the impeding similar recruits but oklahoma state tcu. I think have similar sites similar sites. I'll tell you what was interesting to me going back and reading up on doug meacham so doug meacham. You skipped over the kansas part. I noticed that. The i skipped over the kansas didn't hammer you on that. Yeah skipped over the kansas part. That was entirely by design but doug meacham had been paired with sunny cumby right in sunny cry. It depends where you read. There's there's actually a pretty wide spectrum of how fans view those two coordinators and what their roles were the doug meacham thing was interesting because i found an old interview that our friends over at frogs of war did before me. I guess it was immediately. After meacham was hired as part of the new kansas football staff and the question that was posed to the frog war rider who i be not remember his or her name. What's this guy like. What should we expect. And though took a very positive tone and sung the praises of doug meacham his ability to be aggressive his bill to develop talent his ability to make things better than they were when he started. There was also a distinct tone of negativity and it all came back to a third and one play. I wanna say against texas tech where they ran a double reverse and it was like and i remember that play because we talked about it. I it never dawned on me that it stuck in the krav. Tc fans quite the wait till you have that. Right with notre dame like an individual title or an individual moment. Everybody has them my point it now for short but my point is that everywhere read about doug meacham that specific play kept coming up. That's frankly kept coming up that and in this particular interview again in a friend's frogs of war go check him out of great. Tcu site they talk about. How yes he did. Great work with josh dachshund but on the same note it was almost like he forced the ball too much like everything had to go through dachshund and so is good for dachshund it. It made him look good but at the same time. It wasn't really a balanced offense. There were holes in that offense because it was so one dimensional. So i tried to spin that as best i could. I think in either case you could do just fine as wide receiver going to either of these two schools or knows they're going to be plenty of opportunities in an air raid or air raid like system to get yours if you are standout wide receiver. I think that's ultimately what it comes down to. You probably will have at least if recent memory is any indication a better opportunity to play with a better quarterback oklahoma state because that's been a huge a huge on on the whole tcu program over the last five years or so. Maybe max duggan will be better in twenty twenty one. I don't know. I hope or fans accidents on the poster. We better see you poster. He's showed flat. He's for shown flashes and he's a great dual threat in that thursday can get fourteen with his legs. But yeah there've been some some questionable stretches so we'll see we'll see where it goes. If if max doug and goes out there and has a banner year perhaps this is an easier recruiting pitch to make. But i still like that. Just set up putting yourself in a gary patterson system at a school that we know does have a track record for placement of talent for development of talent. The other thing that. I didn't really mentioned here because i don't know likes corners. They'll sure i. I didn't know how to spin the fact that. Tcu is not typically a powerhouse when it comes to recruiting but one of the ways that patterson has made his name is by developing that talent. So how do you pitch that to. Who is like a four star. Obviously thinks he's is easy. How do you pitch that. How would you have pitch that. Will you say look what we've done with guys who were not as physically ready for the sport as you are junkyard dachshund. Look what we turn them into. Imagine what we could do with. The potential is tantalizing. Right tantalizing okay. Tantalizing potential and. tcu has had some good classes. They have they've resonated pretty well on the trail much lately but yeah it's been less so a fair point. I feel like whatever the euros with Will alone allure has a hell. I was pronounced those those classes in that time. Maybe it was like two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen twenty fourteen. I think they took advantage. Pretty well you also didn't mention that. Tcu was beaten oklahoma state. What three or four years. I don't think you mentioned that that. For all of my talk of big time football. Tc's recently owned the back and forth. We submit that as exhibit age. I don't think that's thing you can do it. As fact yeah. The gun is a wild card thing that the quotes that he was he could call players by their numbers not their names. I was prepared to address that. But i expected to hear that from you. That sort of negative recruiting. Like how can you play for a guy who treats you as a number and not a name other other angle was going to be to just flat out. Make stuff up. But i have to. I don't think i have to. I was surprised that you did not come back. Minister talking about the espn film. Gundy's bid on those things a bunch of times to he hasn't rest it doesn't it doesn't register with me as being important to sixteen year olds seventeen on. Tv's certain yeah but they're not watching it like they're not watching the show. Watch not watching the film room. You just watching the game. If you're six seventeen maybe after the facts. Maybe they showed to you on your official visit. I definitely think a small private christian university is going to have a different feel on an official visit than a huge school. Oklahoma state is texas. Is but i think it's about thirty thousand so it's three times the size so i wanted to push that i wanted to push you know because big time and dfw greater area and denton And the berlin stuff that i mean the tcu offense to me and this is something we'll get into more in the preview. It's just like. I don't know how you would on a quarterback at at school in texas. I knelt one. Well what about the university of texas. What about you. They've gotten big commitments. Etlinger was pretty good. Yeah and he played star for four years right. I just i mean. I know it's difficult choosing the right guy in figuring out how to To to predict what they're going to do is very tough but the offense. And there's something i i really don't like it when schools just like well it. It worked with these guys five years ago. Let's like roll it back with doug mitchell merola back with sunny companies in texas tech. But like i don't know. I think you have to evolve. I think you have to find up in commerce. And that's what. I liked about gundy with your sick and holson dipping into houston dipping into into be dipping into. You know todd monk in coming over from the nfl. There's a creativity about oklahoma state and that offense and they're they're both in weird places they'll because oklahoma state's offense has never been this bad. I expected you to hit that. I expected you to hit spencer sanders. Three interceptions i saw oklahoma state seemingly eighty i in points per drive last year and i spun it as for the past five years finishing with the top. Fifty offense interesting okay. I expected i expected you to hit hit back. But i didn't get that initial that initial damage so fine. I did my research at three in the morning. So give me a little slack. all right. that's fine right. Insolvable edgy dot com. Let us know all of those businesses are real. Oh i'm sure little shop of flowers which is a great name spin city laundry. There's no way made any of that stuff. Up don evans window tint and done evans is an all problematic. Has done anything. Problematic high take no credit a window tint association always has that chance doesn't yeah. Oh yeah let me see. Let me see what don evans looks. Like don evans window tint. I already just a fantastic dude. Who likes car privacy. No relation bob. Who is down on the farm. Do don evans window. Tint is just like a high with a seven machine whether i just looked up places with good reviews and it has amazing reviews so like don has to be pretty cool. It's seventy-three google reviews. Okay dad drive by stillwater high school. So what was the other business. I mentioned balanced coffee and crouches heating and cooling crouches heating. And i think that is interesting. Like you brought up the ohio state thing with columbus going to be a good place and people supported that by the way people wrote in and said that i was actually selling columbus short as a hub for business. We heard from people who worked for who work for ohio state and the athletic department saying tire killing us here. Yeah that's i think where. I think i was listening. To our ari wasserman's podcasts. It's an ohio state. Show brian windhorst on. And he brought up a good point that it's not necessarily the market but it's the the rabid phantom of the people in that market about that school that will help dictate. How much a player might be worth endorsing. Or selling or appearing commercials whatever whereas even though a place like usc is in l. a. and bigger than columbus are bigger than stillwater. Bigger than clemson. You name it. Lubbock the people in la by enlarge. Do not care about usa football unless it's like playing for national championship here in in your out and p carols a charismatic guy. There are many usc fans. But you're competing against the los angeles lakers right and the l. a. dodgers whereas if you're in columbus. I don't know how well the blue jackets are. World received or whatever but like columbus is only ohio state and the state of ohio is ninety. Whatever it is. I'm sure there are cincinnati fans and bob cat fans whatever but that's an ohio state state so there is something about where in relation to how influential team phantom is that. I think you didn't hit on with columbus that was should have been a direction went on not that like columbus has all these huge corporations but like ohio state is the team. In the state there are bengals browns fans and maybe the browns are. I don't know it's probably not the indians or whatever. The baseball team is called now. It should be the spiders right. That's the thing that people have talked about going back to that name but maybe it was the cavs briefly with lebron but like i think that the magnitude of phantom has to be the hardest has to be the fiercest for ohio state. So i think that's that's the angle with how we talk about. And i al is like how influential are teams players in. This market was the heavyweight metro market. Who's laughing wait yeah heavy. Yeah so it's just. It's going to be tougher like it'll be easier for a texas player. Because they're the show in austin and texas am player. maybe although the the the proximity to houston isn't necessarily an advantage. But in those like diehard college college college towns eugene oregon south bend whatever. I think that it's going to it's going to resonate more as a an influence or an endorser right. Well solvable gmail.com right in. You could also hit us up on social. We know you will also go out to ver- ballers dot com we're bowlers dot com again is where you can find all of our patriotic stuff. Our tears which we are working on ever so diligently behind the scenes many many many more exciting things to come here. So don't change. Dial if that's still a thing. Thank you for support in downloading the show. If you haven't already please do go on out to. Our website is solvable dot com and sign up for the notre dame. That's all i got all right. I have. I'm good for that guy. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #221: LIVE 53-Man Roster Reaction

Bolts from the Blue

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The Lightning Round Podcast #221: LIVE 53-Man Roster Reaction

"Uh-huh this is the lightning round podcast with your host garrett's this the end jean-yves oil charges go. Hello hello everybody. Welcome the lightning around podcasts. Live 53-man recap jamie. Hello what a day. what a day. Indeed some really interesting decision. Say yes and again guy. So if you guys weren't with us when we did this fifty three man. And what do we do. Prediction the prediction. Thank you jamie. Thanks for the three men predictions prediction. I was looking for the word. You didn't give it to me. You got feel free. A shout out the comments We are live on the lightning round. Podcasts youtube we live on the lightning round twitter and we're also on the bolt from the blue facebook page. So thank you guys for listening. Kevin hughes appreciate ya little ghost dis. Hello listen to you for years i. It's one thirty. this has been a wild day. Some cracking a beer already cheers jamie. Who needs work so How do you wanna do. You wanna go over like special teams. I and lead up to it. Or how do you want to. How do you want to do this thing. Why don't we ask defense. How do they wanna hear it. Yes how do you oh man. There's so many comments about this so all right well. Let's who cares with this is all right. So let's let's start with all the stuff that doesn't matter and that is the kicker-punter and long snapper. The chargers ended up going with long. Snapper bat overton co maza was hurt so he did not make the team long of course only opponent on the roster so he made it and the big surprise of this group. I guess you could say. Is that the kicker tristen viscaya no made it and michael badgley the money. Badger is now out yeah. I don't know that it's a huge surprise vizcaino one just because i think they were looking for something could kick the ball into the endzone on kickoffs but to say that he won. The competition is a bit of a stretch the missed his last kicking camp and the preseason i should say so i wouldn't necessarily say that tristan vizcaino head and shoulders won the job for michael badgley. But i think the coaches figure. They needed that stronger lead. Maybe they think that they can mold that stronger leg into a more reliable kicker badgley we know badgley had issues with kicks over. Forty five yards could put the ball in the end zone. I think there were probably some a mental issues going on there to some confidence issues that he had to work through and they just decided to go with the younger fresher leg and the stronger lead. Yeah so no big surprise there. And i know some people are tied to kicker but i don't i really don't care about this and they could quite possibly just get rid of this guy you know and pick up somebody else like joe sly or somebody else. They could each saying they could pull a lions and cut both their kickers. I'm saying well. They could replace it with one. I think the lions just go no kicker at all they cut one to keep one but yeah i mean yeah. This is no big news but of course you know it was surprise. There was a definitely a big battle and camp with between tristan and michael badgley so visit the answer. I mean he can kick into the end zone. That's really all that matters. I mean obviously field goals count but they were so neck and neck and camp that this could miss his last kick in. The preseason is still make the team so obviously it wasn't it was a race but it wasn't all that close if you look at how the results ended up. So let's just go down. We'll talk about quarterbacks. We'll start with offense work our way to defense. 'cause i know we want to get too wide receivers here soon so we will keep you in the dark too long early on. We didn't think it was going to happen. We thought the charge. Only gonna keep two quarterbacks bo staley and to lesko confirmed after the game. They're last game on sunday. That they're going to go with three quarterbacks and they did just in herbert chase. Daniel eastern stickier three quarterbacks for the chargers. Yeah i mean we. We've been pretty vocal about our our stance on this three quarterback thing all preseason we've been saying since we started the show what eight years ago however long. Row so yeah. I think people know how we feel about the three kicker thing not a fan. Three kickers quarterbacks quarterback sorry got kicked her on the brain after. Start with the kicker. Everybody knows how we feel about three quarterback thing. I like i said on sunday. You don't have time to develop a third string quarterback during the regular season. He's not gonna be getting any snaps unless he's on the scout team so to think that they're going to develop stick into something. Anything is probably better reach I think that's kind of a waste of roster spot. In my opinion. I get the concern over code needing somebody in waiting in the wings in the in the event. Koga i think they probably couldn't cut stick found another quarterback to stash on the on the practice squad. That was a concern but Here we are free quarterbacks. Yes yeah yeah. We've been very vocal about it. Not too happy about three quarterbacks even less happy for three kickers but yeah. I mean you know we've been we've been talking about this battle between daniel stick and i don't think it was ever really that close. I think daniel was the quarterback to and still remains to be the quarterback to and eastern stick. Is this developmental projects that they like to keep around and you know even though they made their fifty three cuts. There's going to be a lot of cuts after this when they start picking up guys on the waiver wire hair africa so while some people might not be happy about some decisions there are going to be some other moves made in may be six one of them. We don't know it's a sneaky way of getting them past that first wave of initial cuts where everybody's in the waiver wire and then when teams start director. If you start to cook is then afterwards as less likely that your guy gets picked up off the waiver wire. So that's also possibility to but for now the roster sticks with three quarterbacks herbert daniels stick and they went with three quarterbacks after all and then for running backs they can't for You and i kept technically five. We count gave neighbors count him. Sure we'll we'll include running backs fullbacks together. You and i both had four. I had them cutting neighbors. You had them cutting Kelly but kept everybody automatically. Justin jackson joshua kelly writ larry roundtree gabe neighbors dearest. Bradwell did not make it but also a practice squad candidate for sure. Yeah i would imagine Brooks will make the practice squad. Yeah i mean. I think what we're seeing is. The chargers are really valuing. Those recent draft picks no matter how bad they might be really the only one that they cut to in britain who will talk about later and enjoy read but for the most part. They really stuck to their guns on. Those recent draft picks in the last couple of years seems like they value that draft capital. Which i get to an extent but they're choosing players who they've recently drafted over better more productive players with more upside in a lot of cases or just carrying guys who probably will contribute. I mean with for running backs. What are the odds of all four of them contributing unless a couple of guys get hurt. So i don't know that just seems like a lot like the the quarterback thing for running backs kind of wasted roster spot. It cheats you in terms of depth now apparently on the defensive line at potentially at aggressor they're losing a spot there so not not the most economical use of roster spots Not a whole lot of forward thinking. They're kind of disappointed in that. Regard was really hoping that we would see some some forward thinking. Staley's started starting to turn the fat on guys who have not produced but it seems like maybe in some cases his hands were tied in the organization was telling him he had to keep certain people. Because they were picks. Yeah yeah maybe it is another wasted roster spot to be honest with you. I mean if you're keeping for running backs how many are really going to be playing gave Gave neighbors makes a ton of sense. He's going to be a real big special teams contributor. He's going to be full back and they've got an expanded role for him. Awesome starter if you've got justin jackson as you're running back to. How many carries you're going to split between joshua kellyanne larry rowntree. I mean a handful. Not that many. So you can give that handful snaps. The one guy not too so it doesn't make a ton of sense unless they can work their way. Maybe on special teams somehow i. I'm not sure but keeping five total running backs is too many. It's even weirder than three quarterbacks. I think somebody said that the chat to it seems like keeping data. Many running backs is almost even more strange than keeping three quarterbacks. Yeah in some ways. It's almost like anthony. Still run of the teams that program. Bring those running backs in hebron run. I yeah yeah. I guess we'll have to see how they plan on using. I'm kind of hoping maybe we'll see Justin jackson or larry rowntree returning kicks at some point just to get some kind of action for them We'll see yeah. It was joey who said it in the comments. No it's it's a strange occurrence but again cuts are going to occur. We'll see if they keep them. I'm sure this isn't a group. I think that's gonna move too much. But yeah i mean. They stuck to their guns. It seemed like it was pretty parent. That larry roundtree ran away with that. Rb three spot. Just jackson looks great and camp and the first game he played and then he got injured but joshua kelly was just an ineffective mass in the preseason and didn't really show much in camp so they're keep anyway give him another year to kind of try to figure it out. I guess but. I mean i think you could make an argument. That roundtree should have won the rb to job. Because i think he's a better complement to austin heckler than than justin jackson is so just kind of just weird all the way around keeping that many running backs. I know kellyanne roundtree in particular. Were contributing a lot on special teams. The last two weeks in the preseason. So maybe that's how they're trying to shore up a special teams is by keeping those extra running backs is now you'll have neighbors kellyanne. Roundtree could contribute and someone on special teams theoretically anatomy jackson's always hurt He's had flashes he's had more flashes for sure than than kelly has But just seems like. They're married to those draft picks. They're not gonna let him go train here but suddenly mentioned on some on sunday. Yeah yeah maybe so five. Running backs including neighbors. Equa jackson kelly rowntree and neighbors. And so we get to the wide receivers. Which is the group. Everybody's looking forward to. They kept five and surprising five. It's keenan allen. Mike williams josh palmer. Those aren't surprising jalen guidon and then k. j. hill which means they cut tyron johnson. T- is gone. He's gone Yeah i thought. I had to keeping sex. I think you did too right so a little bit. Surprised only kept five Maybe there's a placeholder somewhere later in the roster where they're planning on adding another wide receiver kind of doubt it based on the draft capital they had invested in some of these guys but Joe reed who is the best and most natural kick returner on the team gone. T- belly gone Somebody who quite frankly like he was a huge big play guy for the last year. Seemed like he was arguably their second best route runner on the team. Maybe third base now. They've added joshua palmer but he people constantly compare. T. billy and T- billy not blank on his name they're constantly compared to guide those who are speed guys those guys guiding to speed guy. He's a straight line speed guy with questionable hands and a limited route. Trie t billy runs. A full route. Tree has much more reliable hands. I think he's faster and has more wiggle and gives them more versatility in the wide receiving core so to keep t- belly or to keep guiding unoccupied belly is definitely confusing and to keep hill. Who greg smith over there. Saying he'll serves no purpose. I agree is wildly kick returner. He's a lousy punt returner. He's they say he's a great route runner but he's never fricking open when he's playing wide receiver In his hands are questionable any makes questionable decisions as a return man. I think. I put it on twitter on sunday. During the or saturday. I should say during the last preseason game yet to returns against the forty niners one. Kick one putt negative. I think it was a negative twenty five yards net negative twenty five yard loss on those two returns because he chased a punt. Pass the past the ten yard line field. Foreign got tackled and then elected to take kick from five yards deep in the end zone. Got tackled with the fifteen. So not not great. Not real excited about seeing him. Return kicks off receiver for that matter. Yeah this is man. This is strange. Tyron and so so tyron johnson throughout camp. I've got so many ideas. I guess i gotta figure it out. He's been wider. So you're throughout this entire camp. And i'm trying not to get too worked up about it but maybe start rob receiver three. Yeah so well no. He definitely did so start. A wide receiver three was wide receivers fourth row camp and i know that he got in the doghouse. Because he's kinda chirpin forty niners players and they kind of pull off a little bit He kinda got knocked down the depth chart a little bit in the last game in the preseason but other than joshua palmer was probably the best receiver in that game. We saw jalen guyton get one. Passed on the sideline i. I can't make a case that tie. Ron johnson is worse than guys like caja hill and jalen guidon. I just can't i mean tyron. Johnson is better than those guys the he is the wide receiver. Four kinda. just pluck your in the middle. You're depth chart those a wide receiver. That's i mean there was a stat that i think stebbins sent us. But so for top receivers in yards per row last season tyron johnson was number eight behind davante adams. Justin jefferson ag brown. Who jones corey. David stefan digs and kelly. Kenny holiday. So make this makes sense. We're talking about those are seven pretty talented players. A guy who made the most of his plays when he was throwing the ball last year A better deep throat than jalen guyton and now he's gone. I mean unless they've got an idea to go on waiver wire and get it i. Maybe i'll see the plan in a couple of days but right now i don't understand it i get. He's in the doghouse. But is it worth taking your wide receiver four. When you know that mike williams has been banged up i mean. Joshua palmer was banged up all throughout his college career. What what is what are they doing. I don't understand why this move is the only thing i can think of. And not that i agree with it but the only thing i can think of is that the coaches sauce. Something from from t- belly behind the scenes that we aren't seeing that made them think he wasn't a good fit from a cultural standpoint and first thing any new coaching staff has to do is build the culture behalf to set the culture. And if you've got a guy on the field who's john with corners and almost starting fights in joint practices. He's he had a really rough game against the forty. Niners had several instances where he had a hard time getting lined up and actually cost them a delay of game at one point so maybe they just felt like he wasn't grasping the offense or there were some emotional maturity issues that they didn't want to deal with and they felt like they needed to make an example of them. That's the only thing that i could think of do. I agree with it. Not necessarily but if we're going to trust the way that brandon's daily manages players in the preseason in terms of who's getting reps in who isn't than i think we certainly need to trust him. Give him the benefit of the doubt in terms of how he's going about setting cultures because we know he's huge relationships. Yeah no i listened. I right now. I don't understand. And i'm sure i will at some point and i wasn't there to see what had happened during all the behind the scenes stuff and in the locker room and everything else but you can give him the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe johnson doesn't fit the culture. He didn't find anybody on the forty niners. He got pulled away because he was john. Which you know when you get to those head can't battles that happens all the time between teams. I mean the raiders and whoever it was the seahawks or wherever. They're playing ramps raiders. Ramps they had to like cut practice early because they were fighting there. Were fistfights going on all around the league. Tyron johnson chirps a little bit. I mean i guess he's on a short leash. Maybe i don't know but five. Riders devers is very thin to me and this might be somewhere caja hill. Yeah yeah. I haven't even cagey hill. Who's a walking net negative at this point so yeah caja hill is making it. Because they don't have any other returner at the moment we'll see if he sticks but Having guys like guyton hill above. Johnson doesn't make sense at the moment. But we'll see and hopefully those top three Stay healthy mike williams josh palmer because after that jamie caja hill don't Not a lot of confidence in that pretty quick drop off. Yeah for sure. Okay all right. So let's do titans here. We go jared cook. Donald power ham. Trey mckinney and steven anderson so they ended up keeping four without they would keep for We know that. Jared cooks the starter. Donald parham tied into we saw trae. Mackenzie steve anderson pitching that h back. Fullback he was a big contributor on special teams which is very important to this staff. Obviously tricky third-round pakistan so they ended up keeping four stephen anderson wisconsin the bubble but they ended up. Keeping him yeah. I'm not sure how much he was on the bubble. I just think they put emphasis on special teams him being anderson. They put huge open source on special teams. He was their leading a special teams player in terms of snaps last year huge value on special teams. And i think they said about just trying to find a reason to keep him in the preseason. And that's why we saw him play tight end. We saw him play fullback. H back He lined up all of the formation. Needed pretty pretty good job doing that so to me. It seems like they were just waiting for some confirmation bias. Something something to give them reason to keep him and they obviously did. And i'm happy. He's the guy who i was hoping would stick. I was kinda More than kind of disappointed when they drafted trade the kitty. Because i like steve anderson. And i wanted to see him to get a chance to expand his role in the offense now. It seems like they're finding more and more rules for him. And i think that's a good thing so no surprises. We both had been keeping four tight ends. Figured the special teams ultimately went out. And they keep anderson. That's exactly what happened. It seems like the kid is going to be that designated blocking tight end right now. He's probably the best blocker of the group at the moment And they'll hope to develop him as a pass catcher. Yeah and so interesting to have five running backs if you're including neighbors and four tight end so a there'll be some interesting packages on offense if you're reading between the lines there so let's talk so that's offense. If you guys have any questions about offense feel free to send it in order to move on a defensive line one is that important. it isn't it. I miss the offensive line. And of course it's an important. Well how do we miss off. It's blind all right. So they ended up giving the offensive line. And yeah i just can't i can't i can't see him Offensive line so. It's going to be corey lee brian. Malaga matt filer. O.'day abruzzi rashawn slater brennan. Hi miss trae. Pipkins scott question. Barry and storm norton so they ended up keeping trae pipkins storm norton guys who were kind of on the bubble but ended up keeping nine office of linemen and they've got to backup. Swing tackles at the moment. Yeah i would think that one of norton pipkins is probably holding his breath right now hoping that. The chargers don't find somebody on the waiver. Wire you'd have to take their looking to replace at least one of those guys with somebody with some with some at least marginal starting experience who has a pulse so that would help. Yeah otherwise. I mean the offensive line worked out exactly the way we thought it would but we initially had been keeping ten but when we did the additions on sunday. We both cut up predicted nine and they kept the nine without. They would the only guy who i thought might sneak in there was Tyree saint louis. But they made a good decision. Because i'm tired of hearing about how versatile that guy is when he's so bad at everything and they they decided to move on so poor. Saint louis man. Every time we mentioned his name. You just kicked a. Oh yeah that's funny also at the end of this. We're going to kind of go over some guys that got cut from other teams that the chargers could probably use at this point. So we'll good under that. I know there's some questions about who we should look at her. The chargers should look at the chargers. And we'll go over at the at the end of this little broadcast here. So yeah it's the nine that we thought would be there. Trae pipkins storm. Norton storm norton deservingly to be there. More than trae pipkins at this point but i think between just knowing that blog was heard all last year was banged up at camp. You got the rookie. Who was banged up translator. Who's banged up in camp a little bit. The kind of need bodies there at the moment there isn't between question and high even though high misplayed tack on college. He's definitely nfl guard. So not guys you think could kick outside there. Isn't that real versatility. There had kinda keep those quote unquote natural. Tackles there with norton and with Pipkins but i think also pippen speeches culture coupons in natural tackle. Why no. I'm saying like a natural position debts. His whatever you wanna call whatever. He plays that position garbage. He's sure so not not a guy anybody's happy with making the fifty three but also a guy that could obviously be swapped out with a couple of tackles and i think we might be able to name some later on so i i would just point out the sorry. I didn't mean interrupting. No no you're good based on what we saw with how they put the wide receiver room together and the running back room together and keeping three quarterbacks i would say that if they replace anybody in the top group it's more likely to be storm norton Just because they invested that third round pick and pickens right or wrong. That's probably the way it's headed. Just my guess now and pickens played left and right tackle and camp so a guy they think klay might not getting. My eric played left tackle and right tackle and camp so at least a guy that could fill that spot on paper. I guess is what the coaching staff is thinking. I guess all right so now. Can we move on defense or you have any. Am i missing anybody. I don't use okay. Good all right. Let's start with the defensive line. They kept five and the surprising. Five justin jones lynnville joseph jerry tillery christian covington and the uday the udf a force merrill made it which means cortez broughton gone. You got cut in brennan. Koko also got cut and job as yang joe gaza. Yano yep. there's three guys that we all had in the mix in our fifty-three at one point four merrill not one of them and he ended up making impression on this team. Now i will say if there is one guy you replacing. There's probably two guys that are like at the end of this fifty three that you could probably replace filling rob spot at this point for us. Might be one of them. But what i think makes sense force merrill and i and i was making a point about foco but ended up getting cut. Is that when you guys like justin jones jerry tillery christian covington more ends than the natural noses and i feel like they want to get a little bit beefier and that's kind of what. It seems like they want to do so. They've got lynnville. Joseph in the now have some depth with force merrill to be kind of that true knows and kind of clogged the middle with a bigger body. Thought they go with guys yano. Just from a standpoint having value to play multiple techniques merrill's more strictly that zero one technique. I think or so more limited in terms of positions. He can play but he did play really well in the preseason no issues with him making it i think the only concern as i really thought they go is six defensive lineman considering kept four edge which will talk about in a minute feel like they might have shortchange themselves just a little bit on the defensive line especially with the way that the brand day likes to rotate his line and keep guys fresh yes they would have liked to have had that six body so we'll see how that works maybe like you mentioned maybe there's a couple of place holders back there and we'll talk about one here in the corner group shortly Who they can drop to bring in a defensive lineman to fill out that that six spot if they feel that's a need but little surprise learning what with five the four that they kept the ford the top four guys that kept were no surprise and i guess the the udf as free continues they keep forest meryl will see how he contributes during the season. Yeah okay so they kept five and like you're mentioning it's going to be four edges. It's joey bosa channel. Whoa sue chris rump and then keiler mecca. Goulet did not make it. Yeah i think this is where the defensive line group and the edge group in my opinion is we're really starting to see the the after effects of taking the side effects or however. You wanna put of taking keeping three quarterbacks for running backs and tight ends because both these groups in my opinion are a little bit short. I'm not as worried about the depth on the at the edge position. Although i do think they short-changed themselves from a special teams perspective by not keeping somebody like a mecca boulay who was a special team or last year and didn't make it this year. i just feel like keeping those four bags keeping the three receivers And the four tight ends just really short. Change them on the defensive line in the end so we'll see how that works out maybe kind of reshuffled things a little bit but You know obviously bozos gonna make it easy. he's edge. one girl had a really good camp. Fantastic preseason really good has had some serious juice off the edge and he gives the ability to cover and rush is also good against the run. That seems like he has leapfrogged china as the edge to those who lost their sounds like a factor in the wilshire will rotate a little bit at the edge to spot. But he's got he being. Whoa so he's got chris rob coming right up behind them so they they're gonna need a year or two to put some bulk on runs but it seems like whoa sue at a time when you would hope he'd be sending the depth chart seems like he's starting to fall down the charter widow debt and lose his grip on his playing time. Which is the second round pick is not very encouraging. No no not at all. yeah. I mean it's a It is a thin group this defensive line and edge. It seems to me like you were kind of alluding to earlier but staley in l. a. was running guys in it out a lot. They were rotating guys a lot and they just don't have the bodies here. They've only got five on the defensive line and four at the edge so it's interesting that they would not have as many guys here on the defensive line which is interesting. I mean we will see what happens during the season and if Anybody gets added here but it is interesting because there's only four edges in joey. Bosa has been banged up from time to time and so they don't really have the bodies there but yeah like you mentioned joy as the starter in fact role is kind of leapfrogged churned. Sue and the chris rock who had a really strong a really strong pre season. that lasts preseason game. It's it's going to be an interesting group there so linebackers it is. Kenneth murray drew tranquil kaiser white nickname in and of course the fifth one is a guy we had been hyping up. Not that he's our guy but a guy. We were hyping up and glad the team in october. Megan yeah This is a good group of diverse group of talent wide speed in the group. Couple guys two or three guys really who are going to help out. On special teams quite a bit. I think So kyle fund group at neiman had a great preseason bio accounts was really really good camp up a nigga guy who missed the latin most of the last two preseason games but was able to hang on that spot because he's a hard worker. He's got that special teams background. He's the guy coaches seem to really like for future larger role in the linebacking corps And then you've got all that speed and all that playmaking ability with with murray and tranquil wight. This is in my opinion. Probably one of the stronger groups in terms of depth and talent on roster. Yeah no. I mean nick neiman. If i'm not mistaken well they he led the team in tackles led the nfl intact lesbian. Which is what. I was gonna get out. Yeah lead the nfl and tackle so yeah he was a he was a monster through the preseason and glad banga amiga made it and that he That he didn't have to play that last. Preseason game you know we read a quote about how staley was saying you know we already have a a really good idea of the player that you are and at one preseason game at the end is it going to change our mind and he really really wanted to play so The fact that they knew that he was already made. The team is great. This is one of those guys Hopefully we'll help on special teams nicknamed it will be And maybe one or two of these other linebackers but ogg amiga could make this a special teams better and a guy that you just love to see. Make the team a hard worker. A guy that scrapped his way onto the roster. You love those types of stories and it's an in. Jane was talking about a lot in our podcast leading up to this. But those are the guys who want to keep on your team. This is the guys wanna go. Hey look this guy came from nothing. I'm came from nothing here. He is and he made the fifty three and you could tell that for years to come but how he worked as off. He made the fifty three. So i'm happy about it. I really enjoyed him watching him in college. I think his direction from college trying to you know not getting drafted then go into the canadian. Football league getting drafted the top ten but go on my dreams the nfl and trying to get a try out with the chargers and then trying to make the team. I think that's really special so definitely rooting for and and definitely a Stronger group than in years past for sure. Yeah i wanna make as a tough guy. He's a smart kid Believe he was in academic all american it. Okay at oklahoma state guy who started out as the special teams player of the year as a true freshman at oklahoma state and slowly worked his way up the roster Became their leading tackler in leading. Sackman is a junior. So he's a guy who's already proven he can start at the bottom and work his way up and want those kind of guys at the back end of the roster because they push up the middle of the roster they force everybody around them to work that much harder so fun to see guys like that. Make it hopefully. Hopefully he rewards the coaches for the faith that they placed in hannity plays really well and helps. Elevate that special teams group. 'cause boy they've been bad all right before move on. We got two questions here. Once from charters homer asked me wcbm. Drinking real quick is rogue bat. Scotch dope can and jamie. There's a question from deos and seven. How are you on. Kenneth murray. I guess that's gonna depend on how the coaching staff uses him He was misused quite a bit last year in that coverage role they ruin him become downhill. And attack the line of scrimmage. I'd like to see him unleash. Moore's pass rusher a that's ultimately. What got him drafted was his ability to come down. Hill attacked line. Scrimmage rush the passer get after the quarterback and really changed the passing game with his with his speed and athleticism. Something we didn't see enough of in his rookie year He did make some solid progress toward the end of the year. Last year. I'm not as high on his some charter fans are i think he's a good player. I think he's got a chance to be productive. But he's got to be in the right role. And i think that is reads in his ability to shed blocks and anticipate blocks really has to change. Yeah no i Lot of people are i mean. Obviously he was the first round pick and they traded up to trade back into the first to try to get him. So it's wasn't a. I don't think either of us. Were really a big fan of him when they drafted not that we weren't a big fan but Draftsman i run was interesting but i just. I think that staley is going to unleash him here in this system. I just think if there's any player that could fit staley's role of being downhill. And attacking line of scrimmage kenneth murray do that as long as you've got guys on the back end like drew tranquil and of your white next to him like a pickup guys in coverage and and murray can attack the line of scrimmage and pitch in the run game get after the quarterback blitzes and stuff. I think it's a really really good match. The two guys. He's got next to him. So i think they complement each other. Well so while you know. Maybe we're not as high on kenneth murray some people they think he's probably gonna be a pro bowler this year or something but for us and just kind of a normal take and not sky high. Take on kath murray. I think in this system. He's he's built for a perfect role. And i think he's going to. He's going to be much better in your than he was your one 'cause they kinda stifled him. The last coaching staff stifled between gus. Bradley and anthony. Lynn did not play his assets. And and and j was mentioned mean. It seemed like he's playing a little bit faster as the year but along so in staley system maybe stop slow and is just trying to get things going early on. But they're going to cut him loose. And i think he's going to have a really really big role and having guys like drew tranquil and kaiser right next to him is a great compliment. I agree. I and i think you'll see both him and kaiser attacking london scrimmage a lot more this year. Seems like we've already seen some of that in the preseason all right so let's talk about let's talk about these corners is three guys you we're going to make the roster of the starters. Michael davis asante samuel. Junior chris harris behind him. It is behind them. Those three is brand. Face-on tavon campbell and Surprise make here for a lot of people come hall made it a pretty impressive. Preseason made a ton of sense wasn't sure it was enough to make the team but here he is gonna keep an extra cornerback. Chemaaahs guy who. I think might be one of those place holders if they find something else on the waiver wire later Not sure that they're really gonna carry six quarterbacks the season although it makes sense with as questionable as the depth is corner. Make sense to keep an extra body if you need if you feel like you need to But you know those top three guys. I think gonna play really well face on to me was very disappointing I thought they keep five corners. Even though i didn't predict it in my fifty three men projections. I would've liked to have seen them. Cut brennan base on. Because i don't think he offers a much. I just think he's questionable. Athlete is not very good coverage as issues tackling. Just not a fan personally. I feel like i've seen enough to know what he is who he is on the field. And it's just not good enough in my opinion. But i would like to see them. Keep five get rid of face on and keep hall and campbell But what you're seeing is. They're keeping guys who could play multiple roles. Outside of michael. Davis is gonna be outside. Cornerback one chris. Harris asante samuel. Junior toubon campbell came on holiday. Can all play inside. They can all play outside a bunch. Those guys will contribute on special teams as well so they got some Got the ability to move guys around and creates mismatches. hopefully create some confusion. Depending guys are playing so interesting group would not be surprised at winds up getting moved to the practice squad at some point they replace somebody else but make sense to keep the six. Even though i wasn't expecting yeah. And so i was going to make this point. But somebody comes to ryan smith not one of the guys that made this team. But something we've mentioned on the podcast ryan smith on the list so he does not count towards the roster so after these cuts it happened they could then Put him on the roster. Put him on i r and they could trade him out maybe swap him with camman hall or just put him on the and then wait for him to get healthy again because he is injured so Ryan smith not part of this list. But a guy that's definitely gonna return this team. He was a really important acquisition. This offseason for special teams so expect him to be on the roster soon as soon as he gets healthy. So that's Nathan harris made a good point was gonna make it so ryan smith not on this list but definitely a guy that will that will come back. Yeah maybe you dropped. Two guys won miss ready to come back. Put him on and fill Bill that other spot with somebody else. Yeah so it gives them some flexibility. Yeah absolutely end to your point. I mean we. We've beaten drama little bit but brenna face on his terrible and He just made it just because there wasn't much competition behind him and They ended up keeping him anyway and guy hopefully they can find better on the waiver. Wire maybe somebody w another corner. I think there might be a couple that we can here in a little bit but Yeah i mean. I think tavon campbell and key camman hall came on hall. How announcing it definitely played enough made enough plays in the preseason camp to make a case for roster spot nee earned it and this is kind of one of those things i feel like to lesko. Does it almost every year where they give a guy that we think is deserving enough to make the fifty three just to cut him later Fill that spot with somebody from the waiver wire and keep them on the practice squad so it's a nice little. You know wink wink. Move to a guy like come on hall who worked worked his tail off and Made enough plays to make fifty three at least initially and so the the safeties have always been the same for Ben deluca never really made a case. But it's turbo. James sear adderley. It is mark webb and a low high gilman Just wanna shout out. Gilman a guy that didn't like when he drafted him has looked a lot better in preseason. This year looks like he's a totally different player than he was a last year. And so Same four safety's. Yep no real surprises here. we'll see a lot of gilman james in adderley in particular and i'm sure we'll see some of a web playing some corner playing some money some Some star at some safety so all guys who can fill multiple roles all guys. They've been asking a lot of encamp. They seem to trust them quite a bit and we should see a lot of gilman and web in particular special teams. Hopefully they can help fix those groups up. Our jamie will put you on the spot here. Who makes the proble go. Who's making the proble. We just at fifty three. You gotta probowl already relate on this. Yeah already related we. It's three fifty three. He's been out for an hour and twelve minutes proble. Let's talk about it okay. I'll say justin her keenan allen. Joey bosa gimme asleep. james leeper. yeah. I love john slater. Hey okay pick okay. Good job all right. Well i mean those. Those are all the same i mean saw. Herbert makes a ton of sense. Keenan allen of course derwin james those i mean the top four guys i yeah other than that to sleep ruby response later but if i man what if i had to ostanek ler algo different way other than slater. Let's say ecuador has his expanded role and he's like alvin. Kamara junior alvin kamara junior and he gets okay all right now so that i mean we're talking about the fifty three. They're talking about already. It's the chad is not me. Okay jamie you got any names that you've seen i mean if you don't know pressure or anything but Seen any guys that you've any names that you've liked on the waiver wire that you think the chargers could of go after here. There are a couple not sure. The chargers can get them based on the way the waiver wire works but i think Tyrel crosby cut by the lions yesterday. Think nobody guy who. I think makes a lotta sense. If they get their hands on him. I mean that that's a. That's a no brainer block for herbert in college. He's played with o'day habushi. They need another swing tackle. He is the best tackle on the wave. Where right now. This makes too much sense. But of course they've got the thirteenth spot on the waiver wire so i doubt he falls that far so probably not but he's he makes too much sense for the chargers too much a yeah. He makes a lot of sense but they'll have a hard time getting their hands on him. Another one that makes sense to me is jada mickens. The retirement who was just cut from tampa bay a wide receiver. He'd come in and be wide receiver six or five. However you wanna look at. It really helped the return game quite a bit way. More than k j hill Trying to think of who else i think. You're about to say the defensive lineman at the the giants. You're scott oden abo- yup. He's about that. Another one showed him day. The offensive lineman who was cut by the browns defensive tackle who could really help upgrade group. He was playing with the ones for the browns through to camp so kind of an interesting cut but he could really help out. Yeah yeah just some other names tweeted his name out but jeremiah high dell's and other guy a lot like jada mickens wide receiver. Returner mickens was Or i mean hey hey dell was a big returner in college you got a bunch of you. Know all sunbelt conference honors as a returner. Quick dude In terms of corner the corner. That i believe. The the raiders. Just cut isaiah johnson former fourth round pick Of course i'm sure charter. Fans remember Johnson because he was the one that broke up two passes in the end zone against the raiders last season and then a blues game where donald parham falls in the football. And it kind of wiggles out enough that it was a no catch So i mean it was a crowded group in oakland. Johnson is definitely a guy that would be an upgrade over face on and and Anybody else hall and everybody he was. I mean he was a solid player in college. He definitely deserves another shot. There's a couple of wide receivers. I know keyshawn. Johnson was the name elected college There's a big cut of Eagles wide receiver travis. Them was a popular name. I mean now. The time ron johnson's gone you need somebody. Somebody's fresh field. It was eagles eating receiver last year. So yeah yeah yeah he can make sense as your fourth wide receiver. Yeah i'm trying to think if anybody else. I know new symbols the name i liked in college. I know everybody likes john. Brown who just got. Cut the two kickers Pinero in sly. Yep yep even gonzales potentially out. I can't believe we had to do kickers here every year. Yes i so and and so. That's it i it just happened. So cuts just ended at one so we were on here trying to figure out who got cut because they were like charges were like fifteen minutes late getting them to us so not us but to everybody the public that they personally email the spanos is personally emailed us and we had to just get it all together for the show but So we haven't had an in depth look yet but i think those are some names. I think crosby's a good one Getting some deputy offensive line with Owed annaba would be good day would be good. That returners mickens hide are good Isaiah johnson Some corner depth and then wide receivers like keyshawn johnson. Travis fulcrum if you like. John brown may be too. I definitely had some speed to the roster. Because they don't have it. The raiders just cut a wide receiver. That i like when he came out of college Marcel eightman. Oh gee damn oklahoma state yeah. Yeah yeah yeah interesting. Okay all right so that does it. Let's see if anybody else has any questions. We'll answer it but we're we're getting close to getting out of here. We appreciate you guys. Don't forget this friday. Jamie are going to make an announcement. We've got some new content for you guys. Just in addition to the laying around podcast. We're really really excited about that Make sure to follow us on youtube. So you can get the videos. And we do them We're on twitter. Facebook everything else and i think that's going to do it. I just wanted up. One thing. I got here we go. I got a question on twitter. That i thought was worth discussing really quickly and that was somebody asked me. Think his name was. Kevin brown. Asked me the fisher. The flora padres pitcher a turbo sinker. Right know if we could explain why people should care. Spots forty through fifty. Three on fifty. Three man roster. Why do they matter why. Do spots forty through fifty three matter because somebody's going to have to play. I mean those spots are being filled in by special tamers lot of the times. I know there's going to be guys who are gonna be inactive but these are guys that once injuries happen. You have to have good in depth that they can play and fill in for other guys. So i get you know like come on hall. Might not be super exciting but every roster spot counts because injuries especially for your charter. Finding that And so i mean you got to have quality depth and that's what football is all about. Injuries always happen. They happen every year and to have like just to have a good enough depth. Fill in when these guys go down is really important. So to filling in that bottom half the roster is super vital. I think the i mean. I think the big answer you set it as a special teams rikers. You're really talking about for the most part spots like forty three through fifty three are gonna make up most of the core special teams so those guys were at. That's where you want the bulk of the depth. That's were championship caliber. Rosters like the seahawks forty niners in recent years the chiefs. That's where those kind of the the box. That's where those rosters built in the fourth fifth. Sixth seventh rounds when they're drafting out those special teams guys who were working their way up the roster after your one that's what sustains roster so that's why those those are the most important yeah okay our right. We're good. thanks everybody for the questions. Thanks everybody for tuning in. You appreciate you guys you. I'm gary sixty jamie underscore around and we appreciate you guys coming into this live 53-man recap and we will see next time.

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Week 9 Recap

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Week 9 Recap

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Doc It's Monday mornings you welcome into the fantasy focus podcast remember Ford Field Matthew hanging out recap all things from from week nine what's going on partner are we hanging out he's like this is the most through and intro without there being a thing I just WanNa know now I just like because I feel like if we're hang out we should beers we should have a crowning I'm drinking craft beer for Field Margarita get through the uh-huh yes coffee coffee delicious coffee and Thursday kyle throws up at ten am you're damn right at ten am I'll tell you this watch you know who had who had the greatest Gig in in all of broadcasting is Kathy Lee and Hoda Oh my God they're amazing right there were amazing a Catholic no longer there but she retired right she left the show but yeah they would just blatantly drink on air I they were just trying to hide it and then they just own it and like like hats off to them those those guys are my heroes like they were to start a highly this happened or no they should difference here's the thing about Kathleen Hoda Kathy Leeann hold on League League Shea they in addition to being broadcasting legends they got to truly and it's an elite level and not many people ever get there but they got truly to the D. 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Level of broadcasting you're GONNA have to look it up after the show anyway the Digi a F- go ahead and look it up all I continue talking thing and so it's rare to get like Charles Barkley I think is at that level right you know what I mean like the d. j. f. level I feel like I'm at that level on this podcast can nice girl do you think you're at that level but you are currently putting in that level of effort fair that's exactly it's a really good way yeah actually you may actually af after suggest ud there see music from the national football is steeds introduced in one game in the books and unfortunately for the colts yet another injury has struck up on offense we found out on Friday the t why Hilton was gonna Miss Likely three or so weeks because of that calf issue and then yesterday we had his ankle rolled up on as a matter of fact it was his own offensive linemen Quinton Clinton Nelson who was like a bowling ball who struck the ankle I inadvertently of course it's a week to week type situation Frank Reich the head coach yesterday yesterday after the Games that it was MC l. rche right sounds like a sprain so there's a chance by the way I'm MC l. Ish just you know are you sure yeah it is I feel feel like you're Lsu af else's yeah I'm just I'm a little bendy ish it just I feel like you're not one hundred percent healthy today you're okay your fish I'm certainly MC Ish Ish Jason Jason All right I'm in the MC you I'm okay I'm not I'm not listen I'm at the bottom of the list make no mistake when they when they when they do the big party when they do the big party and there send out the invites I'm the last one get one make no mistake and I'm in the door the door I know what you are with that so you know when you watch a movie and at the end they roll the credits obviously everybody just gets out before the credits have really even begun gone and just like whatever like you know Navarra movie because there's always an end credit scene but go ahead along is that like you know and then like inadvertently you signed back into let's say you're Disney his knee plaza counts and you go back there open up the movie that you last watch and you're like wow the credits are still rolling in just about to get to the end it's like Matthew Berry in teeny tiny eight point that's right that's you yes that is me okay let's actually football to get through today all right so yeah so am I so MC L. Ish for Jacoby for says as long along with T. Y. Hilton GonNa miss a few weeks there was a conversation to be had about the wide receivers as it were but the fact that Jacoby percent is out now let's talk about the volume begin with the Patrick Matthews Zach Pascall at a nice day yesterday your long-shot on visible now as you might launch my Longshot Zach Pascal and Chester Rogers who got into the end zone and then we'll we'll will cain asked me which one if you had to pick one I said Gimme pascal over Chester Rogers I like both both guys scored but Pasco has the better day five seventy six and a touchdown he now has four touchdowns in the four games in which he's gotten three or more targets this year he makes the Waiver Call Matthew and I think that just for now given the ty opens GonNa Miss Probably Three Games somebody has to be the number one wide receiver in the offense and not to bear the lead here Matthew but I'm not sure that from a passing efficiency standpoint it's a significant step down from Jacoby percent to Brian Hoyer no make no mistake to go percents the starter and deserves me this startup but Brian Hoyer is like he is the ultimate backup quarterback in the NFL like he is a backup in so many different spots and stepped in and done such a favorable job bears forty niners niners Brown's patriots you name it well he never really played for the Patriots but he was part of the Patriots backup room so he's definitely been trusted to run an office before and done so it a very admirable level yeah look and by the way came in and like fifty plus I was going to get seventeen to twenty six hundred sixty three touchdowns one interception on the road while taking four sacks so I mean that was a tough schedule and then you think about their upcoming schedule their home to Miami this week their home to Jaguars defense that you know looked look certainly of penetrable over in London suffered some injuries as well the Jaguars certainly have and then Houston that's a secondary that superbeet up and been I and been brutal and then you've got Tennessee in four weeks at home and that's a home game for them and by the way perset and Hilton may be back for the Tennessee game so I would think Brian Brian Hoyer if you're looking to with sixteen on a by this week does Brian Hoyer make the free agent finds calm a one-week streamer at home against Miami because they're adamant audio I've got a couple of streaming options in mind for week ten he was at the top of my list but he could be there could be there and so I think that but we agree though it keeps the passing game afloat Zach Pascall's the guy you wanna add amongst passengers footnote here footnote I know you mentioned Jessica Rogers and he did find the endzone yesterday three catches let's keep an in Paris Campbell pairs her with a second round pick out of Ohio state and as I said this on fantasy football now it kind of feels like the colts are ready there's sort of urging him on your like it's time time Paris like you're too talented not to have made more progress up to this point he had five catches I believe he had a a runner to yesterday as well by for fifty three on five targets it was tied for second on the team Pascal had six leading the team just rogers impairs Campbell each had five targets but to your point yes three rushes for twenty seven yards pairs Campbell especially with ty Hilton sideline is the fastest guy on that team and I don't think it's particularly close like so when they're trying to get speed and trying to figure out different ways to manufacture offense as they're dealing with these injuries it makes sense to try to get the ball in the hands of Paris Campbell Paris Campbell's I assume has already rostered and every dynasty league every keeper League you know he came out of Ohio state with a lot of fanfare and a rightfully so but I would agree with you I think Paris Campbell deeper leagues deeper redraft leagues it's kind of an interesting guy to see if he can seize this opportunity a tune-up think he's a week away from making the waiver wire column sure deeply though like the thing about is it sixty teams on a by it's really hard to just speculatively add players at you're not quite there yet Marlin Matt Cares about twenty one times for eighty nine yards but disappointingly had zero catches yesterday so still much ground and pound player for that offense and along along those lines matthew but here's the thing now team hines only caught one ball only target so it's for whatever reason there what they felt like how they could attack Pittsburgh didn't involve getting running-backs involve they've found a way to move the football with the air just with other players now and they should have won the game you know it's tough misfield gold they've got decision making Adam Venit Terry and I say that with the up literally the utmost resolve Famer we agree as a hall of Famer he's the most impactful kicker history of Football Adrian Peterson has a chance to put himself in at least the conversation is one of the most impactful runners of his generation he looks good again matthew so all right don't really know no where to go here with Adrian Peterson because the workload is solid right I mean and Bill Callahan if nothing else wants to run the football yes he does wants to establish the run Bill Callahan's a football guy he he is such a football guy how is totally football guy Adrian Peterson's available at about forty one percent of leaks but he was benched by more than half the people that actually roster him in week nine on the road at Buffalo Horsey quarterback I get it Sir I guess it comes down to but he ran I mean I just WanNa take a moment as a redskins skins fan. He's the only thing that I can appreciate just applaud Adrian Peterson for one second for in a in a season which you guys are now one eight there wanted going on on the road with a rookie quarterback beat up offensive line your best tackle is not playing for the team the culture despite reports is not damned good like insist assistant awful situation and yet Adrian Peterson House he thirty four thirty four thirty at age thirty four is going out there and running like an absolute beast and you WanNa talk talk about Dj F that Adrian Peterson who is not looking at the scoreboard not looking at the standings and just going out there and doing his job and really impressively and so so the question effort he is running incredibly hard as he always does but there are a couple of months go by this weekend and beyond that there is scheduler is eligible to return week eleven and he's been practicing guy he has been practicing so guys make the free agent finds call I have to go check checked to see he made it last week check to see whether he crossed the threshold my guess is probably not my guess that those lines could probably save him for one more week in mentioned him again naturally he did not cross the fifty percent threshold with Daniel is telling me I might put him in there as like a note hey available and week eleven but Matthew with the way that Adrian in Peterson is running in the fact that it is Bill Callahan as the head coach I would be very surprised Adrian Peterson Fades away which at the beginning of the season the guys was the guy for what a week and a half basically Adrian Peterson was a healthy scratch for the first time in his career in week one yes and then we to he barely played prior to the Guy Injury so I think things change I think it's at maybe at best a work share for various guys so by the way no matter who it is like even though Egypt Peterson's run well over the past few weeks has to find the end zone to be profanity relevant for like fifteen to eighteen carries touchdown firm too fancy relevant but not really involved in the passing game but again it on the road at Buffalo against a tough bills defense sixteen for one ten a catch twenty two had fourteen point two fantasy points he now has over seventy five rushing yards in four straight games he's got ninety percent of the redskins running back carries in this particular stretch. Wendell smallwood hasn't really done much Chris Thompson still banged up it'll be interesting what happens after the bye but I think your point here is well made which is that Bill Callahan wants to run the ball Paul and so like I think you'll see guys come on and have a significant role but I don't think Peterson fades away so maybe this becomes a running back by committee and it's just it's just another guy hi that they can go in and sort of run but I just wanted to sort of mentioned it number one is just to give give some props and also just you know in deeply he may be more of the option then I think we originally gave credence to Fragrant Peterson by the way real quickly before we move onto the next topic this has nothing to do with fantasy but I just want to point out in field I don't know if you you know if you can put on your your front office a NFL insider hat for a second okay reports were out there and I don't know if you heard these reports sports route here that the redskins actually fielded interest in Adrian Peterson that people called about him at the trade deadline okay and were turned down okay which is again insane to me that the front office of the redskins would like look tremendous respect for Adrian Peterson and the effort is put in but he's a thirty four year old on a one year deal like he's a free agent at the end of this year ago these signed another two year deals and I thought it was a two year deal last year two years this offseason this off season alright whatever here's diseasing here here's my guess I if they've got US conditional seventh round pick they should have done it here's why I disagree okay. Member of the uproar over Adrian Peterson Being Healthy Scratching Week Guan yes if they gave him away which in the eyes of a player of another player if you traded away Adrian Peterson for a six or a seventh round pick players would be deep in over their heads in Washington more than they probably already are because I I made but let's play that out okay let's say that happens let's say they lose the locker room what happens do we just are we then one nine are we want what what play that out like by the way there they should revolt they showed revolt and by the way they should we we had a rule we had we had an agreement no more revolting I mean no more no more you being designed I just I just you're right second functional channel it's just it's the worst run I'm not I'm going to go further than it's not the worst pro it's not the worst run. NFL team it's the worst run professional franchise we should really like we should have podcast to an office podcast where we go through our candidates because I gotTA figure they're up there I mean there's some other franchises right now the Sacramento Kings forever of stunk they'd have have some premise range promised right now but they're up their sons are bad I originally talked me in a month all right like they're like the grizzlies were like four and two last sure and they stunk they had the number one number two pick I'm just telling you I'd rather be a Phoenix Suns Fan than Redskins fans probably come on let's move onto the dolphins the team that actually has a plan have a wig let's go aboard bet win for you touched down to a field goal now after this seven to three ray or the results so we updated that three board beds last week quickly I'll read through them jets versus offense I picked up and speak the jets congratulations patriots defense versus the Mark Jackson I I had the Mark Jackson Yeah picture this one that one and then we had the the bills running backs Frank Gore versus debit single Terry Tko right there let's get offense frank course previous teams and okay the Dolphin under week nine is the lowest scoring offense in the NFL eleven point zero points per game but yesterday they get a win and and they continue to string it together with like four players that matter Matthew and that's wearing this gets interesting because have they done enough to tell you that there are multiple player player in his office at actually have fantasy value and I'm looking specifically at devante Parker Preston Williams wide receiver Mark Walton running back and Mike Koseki because he has not next to him in terms of push ineligibility so I think there are I think we can get through a couple of these quickly for Mark Walton no he per league you flex at best I don't even think that like again like twelve twenty nine three catches for twelve yards he had seven fantasy points in a game in which they played the jets let's and a game in which they and they lead so I mean like if you can't do it against the jets and that's an when do you ever think is gonna be able to do it my thought is they're at indy next tweak than home to buffalo at Cleveland like then home to Philly at at the no thank you no thank you on Martin I have no pro like the secret squirrel and I on the fantasy show on ESPN plus a company man later today we might be doing dumps Filler we doing field you know I believe that we are okay mark what will be welcome to this show Guy Okay so my Koseki yes my Koseki is interesting like speculative just because he's he's a tight end to your to your point right and this is a guy that was drafted out of Penn state with a lot of fanfare a lot of people thought going to Adam Gates offense that he would be fantasy relevant he did not not that offense was Adam gazes now coach of the New York jets but sickie was somebody that had has came into the NFL with promise and upside and we've seen we saw them be productive in college we saw them be productive on Sunday so he's worth a speculative Adamy if you're desperate to tighten in my suspicion is that there are other tight ends I would rather have like I'd rather have either Jack Doyle or Eric Hebron with Brian Hoyer I mean obviously it's like they're all kind of part of the Blah to me right they're all part of the like I'm not an ingram retrial Chelsea b. l. e. h. g. h. the extra for emphasis see I think there's always feel like there's a see in there I think it's B. O. E. C. H. I have no idea anyways let's get to the other players they'll matheson won't be fantasy please on on Craig's power that won't be like well it's going to be spelled cows going to have to interpret it and without what's the correct spelling he'll where what's the correct spelling of this word and then he then he can lack and then be l. e. a. g. h. and B. L. E. C. H. okay any event Parker and Preston Williams might actually be goes to the forty nine targets over for the last six games for Preston Williams big physical undrafted wide receiver out of Colorado State and then devante parker four catches fifty seven yards and a touchdown yesterday he's got a touchdown number session is four of his past five games tell you maybe the magic eventually runs out but as somebody who has them in the warmly matthew I have been right in the gravy train right now at the Monte Parker under under sixty yards in six last seven he's basically he he's touched independent at the moment for his fantasy value having said that it's a bad defense fitzpatrick is a professional. NFL quarterback as long as fitzy is the quarterback. I feel you know I feel okay with devante Parker as a wide receiver three and a twelve team or deeply I want somebody but but I and I think there's potential for upside more because Preston Williams left this game with an injury Yep yes so I if if I knew both guys were healthy I think I would prefer Preston Williams Liam's Devante Parker I just think he's the better player he was a star in the preseason at a monster preseason as well hip hash tag team preseason and so Preston Williams is was somebody that they obviously like a lot of a lot in the red zone you know taking advantage that six five frame but again if he's hurt even more targets for Devante Parker but I agree you both sort of you know both should make the free agent finds calm if they have not already faith it is what it is oh you've done what you could I agree on this by the way I want someone to start collecting the worst of the worst when it comes to officiating because I saw devante Parker have a one yard it was a catch for thirty nine yards yesterday it was called for pass interference offensive pass interference literally he like got hugged by Brian Poole the jets defensive player it was obviously obviously not pass interference Brian floors correctly challenged it and some of the calls stood so that sixty yards arts or fewer and six of his past seven games in my mind is five is past seven games he was robbed of nearly forty extra yard yesterday anyway by the way no but it's fair and I think you know I forget who tweeted this I saw somebody that I follow tweet this and so I apologize because it's this is not my thought but I thought this was a great thought which is that somehow the NFL leave it to the NFL to add replay for officiating and still somehow make officiating worse because which is what they've done which is like they they added the the ability to do you know challenge pass interference calls and use replay and they've somehow made officiating worse because what they're doing is they're sticking up for their guys they're like we don't want to admit it that you made a you guys screwed up and anyway that's all right so we should we stop so what's it separated make fetch happen is that what it is yeah fetch should we stop trying to make Sam Darnold L. Happen I think so yeah because we kept saying hey weeks nine through fourteen the schedule that's up so substantially and it was week nine yesterday no Sam Darnold did he sucked stunk. I think it's terrible that he goes to Jen's xenos shots to Sam Donaldson Sam yeah he was terrible spooky he a long beach the narrative this morning their questions being asked about Adam Gates whether he's the right man flu whether there he is going to be good enough spooky spooky correctness shipped girl yeah okay any yeah tha- threw an interception okay got thank you yesterday just twelve point five fantasy points that is is my one man play by the way Sam darnold versus the ghost okay I'll do a real quickly had this quick recap spooky spooky Sam interception all right so there you go and seen Sam Darnold has just one game this season with over thirteen fantasy points he's placed five in total remember that in that game against Dallas back in week six the only way he got there because that ninety two yard touchdown pass against Robbie Anderson's are we done with the jets basically as an offense no we're not done with the jets as an offense because I think we're just done with Sam darnold looking copped this like just a bad call by me like I really thought Darnold L. Starts Twelve we thought it was gonNA be good from weeks with other people can share in this L. but I I'm Gonna I'm GonNa own it you know what I mean like I was definitely like when mahomes went down I was like pick up Sam I'm Donald and look at the schedule and like whatever he was on the loveless for me this week right and just if you can't do it against Miami like what what confidence you have that he you can do it against the giants next week or at Washington even or you know I mean home to Oakland like he'll have a good game in here too it's an unbelievable schedule but when you can't do it against Miami again like the NFL average is twenty three fantasy points per game against opposing opposing quarterback average twenty-three fantasy points per game against the Dolphins Sam Darnold Donald put twelve. Yeah I mean just you know brutal here's little let's move onto the other jets players which is do I think Jamison in crowder who had eight for eighty two and I think that was all in the first half thirsty not all in the first half it just felt that way that I think he had four for fifty in the first five for for forty minutes I two drives I mean he had a monster started the game yesterday obviously it slowdown but he's been solid in the Sam darnold started that's the one thing you could sort of hang your hat on with this offense but late in Bel Mel headey decent fantasy game but like okay you're right he did and but promise that lady on Bell was drafted this year by many many people to be not this guy to be a star right and he's right and the problem is that the officers not score touchdowns and he's not a yards per carry guy isn't behind off into line he is not I by the way I'll take the Ellen Sam darnold but I would like some apologies from all you lady on Bell apologists like I got so much leaving bell was on my hate it list right I leave you on belly twelve or thirteen among running backs coming into the year and I got so much grief on that particular call beep I mean other other people had him as a top five top five overall pick top five running back I'm not gonNA name names but I just Daniel was one of them that I don't no nobody I didn't look at trays rankings but but certainly there are a lot of people that were very very high on leaving and balanced I got into many arguments and bell about the so anyway like like this is what he is guys and by the way he's healthy thank I mean this is somebody who has struggled with that in his in his issue I'll tell you one person person that I know for a fact argued with me about this lady on bell who told everyone draft him number on wrong fantasy there you go not so easily fantasy analyst isn't lady on bell they go once again can you once again lied to us two years ago you lied to us and said Hey I'm going to be there and then of course he didn't and then this year he said draft fantasy and you know what you're not what does he now on her points points per game basis he's running back what thirsty kyle figure that out for me thank you yeah Levy on bell what he is is he is not the superstar that we had hoped for an army to he's an rb two right right now and going forward this jets offense incredibly disappointed hey matthew vice what you want to are you real quick are you rolling out Robbie Anderson now you're GonNa wait wait to see it yeah fair enough I think that's correct I have an idea what given idea stop sacrificing tastes for performance when it comes to sports nutrition now what if I want to do that well stop doing that the brand has flavors as mighty as you are like cereal inspired protein Crowley sounds good and more all powered by level up tastes technology and only at the vitamin SHOPPE now you can save on pre workouts amino protein other sups backed by the body tech brands quality promise use the Code Espn Two Thousand Nineteen for twenty five percents off your entire purchase at vitamin SHOPPE DOT COM now that's S. 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DOT com or in store until November thirtieth the body tech brand know no limits the offer cannot be combined with any other coupons pons now after two big fantasy weeks at least according to the box score could you actually be shy selling David Montgomery because Daniel dumped bills very strong women David Montgomery very quickly running back seventeen running back running back seventeen I had him as running back twelve or thirteen thirty calories in them yeah I was I know I was wrong I was too high on leaving on ballot running back twelve or thirteen but everyone that drafted him as a top five guy top five overall we go let's get things rolling here with David Montgomery Matthew back to back games of fantasy output yesterday he had twenty two point six fantasy points and yet Daniel doctor saying get out of your lineup trade 'em away not get them out of them benching put Jae Deals strongly secret squirrel we turn the MIC over to your lonely a nation turns its lonely is to you what do you got I feel very strongly about this David Montgomery he is not okay so great two weeks ago he put a good game for him and that's going to happen sooner or later but this last week he got saved by two one yard touchdown dead correct they had Torri Hariri Cohen out there on first and goal trying to get in the end zone with him before they put David Montgomery out there the only reason he got in the end zone is because Tariq Cohen cannot get it done why on Earth would the bears put Cohen at five foot seven hundred and sixty pounds on a first and goal when they have David Montgomery unless they don't think the David Montgomery is going to be enough to be I I don't understand it I feel like you're questioning offensive Genius Matt Nagy he you know how much time have you spent watching the bear so far more than I wish that I had so then why are you surprised by this I don't understand like clearly dysfunctional offense really take this time surprises not in Washington to take this time right now where he has had two good fantasy weeks based in the box score and try and sell him as hard as you can to somebody in your league that needs a w and get a player that's on by why that is better than what hey let's let's role play here for a little second sure you know let's finally do it on hold my blindfold yeah yeah no no no no no no no that's the that's the off camera saying let's let's you and I finally play for one here in front of other people just can I check my phone during this and Eh let's pretend I'm a David Montgomery no no no let's pretend you are I'm like I'm just in your league I'm like Hey hey Daniel I need some money back Kalpa noticed you've got a couple of guys there anyone it'd be willing to trade yes David Montgomery what do you what would you want for him I I would take Marvin Jones for David Montgomery now I don't know Marvin Jones doing really well and I heard this podcast the other day where you said he was really lucky that that David Montgomery was really like yeah yeah and you listen to them podcast I do not very many people listened to the when I whenever my my my girlfriend likes it shrinks as we listen to you okay first off the biggest lions role place that you have a girlfriend we all know that's not true and it's my sister fine okay what is it that you want I mean I am I wrong long am I wrong you're not the look I mean he averaged two point nine yards per carry right fourteen for forty ultimately seventeen touches what you what what you hang your hat on here however is that here's a guy that does get the goal line work your point about they're not Mitchell trubisky doesn't run anymore Mike Davis is like Mike Davis is hanging out with a ghost that Sam darnold saw like I mean who knows where he is and so Tariq Cohen is obviously going back and so like him Sony Michelle are tied for the NFL lead in terms of most carries inside and opponents five yard line David Montgomery Lake sought against the redskins where they like five tries like for better for worse he is their goal line back he's the one that he's going to get forty one carries over the last two games here has he been efficient he is absolutely not efficient no not even close but this this is an so I guess it depends on what value you think you could get for David Montgomery I agree with you if somebody's willing to give me Marvin Jones like sure I just I think he's a I think n- Keesee Cross your fingers and hope flex play I mean I think he's I think he's a poor man Sony Michelle I think that's actually a great combination he a great hall actually there right so he's man's Melvin Gordon Right now now what he called he's like he's used a little bit more than the passing game in the Tony Michelle is his touch on if you want sorting Michelle more than David Montgomery missing something here I just think that's a better offense that's got much more opportunity to score like yeah obviously bad game for him against Baltimore last night but yeah I would absolutely rather have Sony Michelle David Montgomery summary really do all right okay season Borbon let's do it sure I'll do that okay more fantasy points from week ten on on I say Sony Michelle is say David Montgomery has more fantasy points Sony Michelle from week ten on put on board put it on the board I just I don't I just don't think David David Montgomery is particularly good I think that's I think I think this expensive completely awful and I think the offense is brutal just all I'm saying this shop the box score they don't you the other person doesn't need to know there were two touchdowns all right let's move along here to Jalen Samuels who had varied Austin fill in performance for James Connor yesterday jalen samuels had thirteen catches for what seventy four yards yesterday that's got to be one of the lowest yardage totals for a player with thirteen or more catches very jamison crowder esque uh of him seventy-three dad is Avery Harry's for just ten yards right meanwhile trey edmunds twelve for seventy three now a lot of that came in at forty five yard run but so trey edmunds was much more effective runner between the tackles yesterday Jalen team and that's just fine matthew as long as you play and PR scoring because for as long as James Connor there is out and I want everybody to go back and look at Sunday morning reporting from Adam Schefter and know that the steelers did in fact poke around on Levy on bell as a raise it to me I'm I'm not questioning shefty I'm not at all question the story is crazy to me after everything the steelers and Lamey on bell went through and the steelers who at the time were three reinfore poking around late anyway shocking to me the whole thing shocking to me but listen I you know totally trust shefty if shefty says it happened it happened and so can I get there without now yeah go ahead okay yeah the reason why I brought that up is because you would not be poking around on Levy on bail if he's not legitimate concern about James Connor missing not not just a game but potentially a significant amount of time multiple games so I think this Jalen Samuels value is not just yesterday's performance I think it could be at at least week ten and perhaps beyond I think for as long as James Connor is out Jalen Samuels is a top twelve running back top fifteen because the passing game volume Liam like this is not a fluke this is exactly what you hoped for out of Jail Samuels yesterday excellent pass Catcher who got plenty of involvement in an offense that while we we can both probably agree that duck hodges should be starting right now it's mason rough they have virtually zero vertical passing game right now save it is it is very dinkins dunk there and by the way look at their upcoming schedule so Ram's this week at home games in Pittsburgh so ram's this week than at Cleveland at Cincinnati Cleveland Cleveland again that's a real nice stretch of run defenses right and then by the way you think about the rams specifically that defensive front like if you're Mason Rudolph an Arrow darnold the era donald is coming down you what are you doing you're dumping off to Jalen Samuels I listen I'm there now Daniel or the question was posed should you should you be selling Jalen Samuel the person who rosters James Connor maybe it has to be a really good player in return and I'm not sure that the person who has James Connor right now is in a position where they can afford to trade another really good running back because because already down one with connor now yet jalen samuels you'd be a one for one trade but like it would have to be somebody that you believe has like top twentyish value we tweak but this is why we talk about you know we talked about Jalen Samuels pickup like two weeks ago when we were like hey he's starting to practice and he'll come back at some point forward thinking we're thinking we we've been talking about this for a while but the thing is you know with with Benny Snell now banged up and he's GonNa he's GonNa miss a few weeks it is Jalen Samuelson Trey Edmunds I think trae admit should make your your waiver everywhere but like what was the passing game almost none zero he didn't get done none whatsoever so he has eleven carries for twenty seven yards the other forty five so I just not quite there yet by the way but I think the bigger point or one of the other takeaway points here is that and I know which really hard to do this right now with sixteen for week ten but like look around if you have a flexible bench spot if Alexander Madison is sitting there floating joining if twenty sitting there floating if an elite handcuff is sitting there floating right now and you can afford to add that player we've been talking about the I am pro handcuff uncuffed there are people that are not I don't care even if you don't have those like I don't care if you have delvin Cook I don't care if Alexander Madison needs to one hundred percent hundred percent because we both agree oh grab him and talk the subway opposite Alvin Cook he's a top five or top eight running back Tony Dollar same thing Tony Power we saw what like Latavius Murray did Alvin Kamara went out there are there are these guys where you know so if something were to happen same game like I'll mention like like if I had Marlin Mac I would want Jordan Wilkins given how heavy the colts offense is last thing for me on the steelers game I'm real quickly which is signs of lies from Vance McDonald five hundred thirty seven targets again with that short passing attack that they have in Pittsburgh and Vance McDonald finally back healthy looking like Vance McDonald again he's been dropped in a lot of leagues and just given the State of the tight end position I do think Vance McDonald it's sort of interesting Davante Adams made his return yesterday for the packers therefore games missed now the offense really really struggled yesterday obviously forgettable Sunday for them out there in Los Angeles Davante Adams got eleven targets in his return going forward matthew is every other packers wide receiver just drivable this point Marquez Valdez gambling drama alson Allen Lazard all those guys and you say goodbye hide them they already were they shouldn't have been rostered in the first place I mean like how how many weeks of like I don't know do we need to go through like the pass ask catchers on the packers that you want Davante Adams yes Aaron Jones Jamal Williams right Jimmy Graham I suppose hose of your super desperate to tighten I'm not Jimmy Graham Fan these days why would you want him no more than thirty receiving yards and six nine games this season. ESPN with more than forecast he's been brutal title yeah he's gotten a couple touchdowns I'm but whatever I mean tight end is just such a wasteland stink worse but I said like the only packers pass catchers the only players there's that are involved in the packers passing game not named Aaron Rodgers that I feel comfortable starting in any given week Davante Adams Aaron Jones Williams right and by the way to Williams saved late as she was awesome early but Jamal Williams got a great garbage time Dr under his belt late they were down twenty six to three Yup kept him on the field they hurried up they picked up the tempo he ended up catching the touchdown I love that from Jamal Williams a guy that is such an effective part of their passing game when they are playing from behind hi and nothing expect them to be vulnerable often but we saw yesterday there can be games where the packers can be tested just a name on a put on people's radars if you're in a very deep League Dynasty League Keeper League they activated the packers over the weekend activated or last week there were tight end Jay Sternberg who is awesome like just I'm just telling you guys somebody somebody who watches a lot of Texas ain't I'm football because that's where I grew up in so I don't watch a ton of college football during the season but J. Burgers awesome and I don't know if he makes an impact at all this year here but at some point in nfl he will I hope so they're pick as you just mentioned really really intriguing player given a size and his hair very nice it's been an absolutely lutely miserable stretch for OPEC and Keenan Allen who were averaging respectively twelve points per game for Odell eight point four for Kim now two questions are they even must start anymore that's question one it's a great question and the fact act I mean pausing to answer tells you can leave what you what you need to know like if you looked at their stats if all you did was if you took away the name and just said wide receiver a a wide receiver being blind resume stuff right you blind resumes stuff you're no Oto Beckham Junior's pro I think Keenan Allen over the last five weeks I think as wide receiver somewhere in the wide receiver fifty something yeah I all like last six games he's averaging eight point four fantasy points per game over six game stretch it's not like this is just two weeks whereas I keep Berlin amount they're down the last six games Odell oh by the way last year eight points eight point four fantasy points that's what Keenan Allen is average of the last six canales average eight point four fantasy points per game over the last six games that would've been wide receiver seventy last year on a points per game wide receiver seventy I by Keith won't do this Odell Beckham Junior entered the league as somewhat unknown but when you get drafted twelfth or thirteenth overall the expectations take not the same as they were for other wide receivers in that class including Sammy Watkins who went fourth overall the buffalo bills in which they traded up from eight to four right made a big move together right yeah Sammy Watkins was the pros Li prodigious wide receiver talented we thought was going to make his mark on the League Oto Beckham Junior is one of the most was was one of the most enjoyable players to watch over his five seasons with the New York giants even with the ups and downs the injuries the highs and lows the frustration sometimes petty drama he was fun though sure he was so fun I enjoyed it got legitimate like worth the price of admission enjoyment out of Odell Beckham junior you bet of all the things the browns have done wrong this year and we don't have enough time in this podcast list all of them but some are this team has found a way to make a player of Odell Beckham Junior's caliber caliber in completely on enjoyable to watch it's not Odell fault not his fault at all it's them and if I want to if somebody from the browns wants to retort well you know he's getting so much attention he's drawing his attention you know what it doesn't seem to helping the offense elsewhere it's not like it's one thing of Odell was getting attention all over the place Jason and everybody else was leading it up they stink they're terrible right now I miss I tweeted I Miss Odell Beckham Junior and miss the player that was every young fans favourite player favourite wide receiver the Top Jersey Seller and I get it he's still all those things still a top jersey seller what happened owed how what have you done with Odell Beckham Become Junior Cleveland why have you done this what in your game plan mindset week-to-week makes you think that what you have done through the first eight games is anywhere close to enough shame on you you seriously you have totally neutralized the excitement of one of the players that truly over the past I don't know how many players the list might be one handsworth it's worth but I've enjoyed watching more than Odell Beckham Junior for the last ten years thank you for nothing Cleveland it's it's unbelievably disappointing that that my biggest preseason miss and I think it's not close and I had a few but the biggest one was being sort of all in on the Browns I was all in on Odell back junior it was all in on Baker Mayfield I was all in on both guys the Chubb is the Nick Love has worked out but Baker in Odell Beckham junior just as bad 'cause as you can make like I was all in on them and I wasn't the only one a lot of people obviously had them very high but like I was all in on them and couldn't have been more wrong like it's unbelievable and and you know I think you have to on some level you know I I blame Freddie Kitchens. I blame that offense coaching staff at its two they lost a Brandon Allen sued five straight games to quarterback speaking their NFL debut five they're starting debut brandon Allen Kirk cousins and eighty although go back in two thousand and Twelve Ryan Mallett in twenty fourteen and Carson Wentz in two thousand sixteen five straight times guys making his first ever NFL start lose lose lose lose lose and lose anyways to buy the Redskins have played them in here's Haskins for this you know what Matthew I'll say this as much as it hurts I'm still starting both of these players and I if a bike upside is there you have to be in a really swell spot to not be starring both of those guys Beckham thirty nine yard catch late which sort of helped salvage but ultimately winds up with five for eighty seven which is fine it's not great but you know he's like there's actually been more signs of life from Beckham in there has been from Keenan Allen recently gently their upcoming schedule The browns home to buffalo home to Pittsburgh home to Miami so three straight home games may be maybe they get it right now now he's maybe but I will say I you know they're probably not gonNA make a change but midseason but feels like something's got to change I will say last this thing is we'll Brinson arbitral friend will Brinson does a great job is did you see that tweet so he followed onto Iraq was hilarious that is hilarious so he he he tweeted this fall onto her we'll Brinson really fun and what he did is basically the tweet is you know what eighteen months is a Cleveland Brown we'll duty when the first picture is Baker Mayfield on a day like G. Q.. Baker Mayfield Jake Jake really cleanly shave has got a cool like looks like a million Levi all right yeah looks great and then the second picture is his post game press conference yesterday where he was like in sort of raggedy clothes and he's got a weird mustache what he looked click I thought it looked like one of the robbers from home alone the only person that thought that no that was a good good to you someone else say I want to say it was our friend Sigmund Bloom somebody else like tweeted that photo and said what is this somebody asked like what does this person do for a living in someone I think Sigmund Bloom tweeted this guy is a a shower curtain ring salesman sort of looked like John Candy in planes trains and automobile call too but yeah I mean like it's unbelievable and by the way my the only one that saw this like I feel like I saw pictures of Baker Mayfield on the bench in the game and he had a Fu Manchu and then after the game and yeah they save twice yesterday correct he shaved twice yesterday yesterday what's going on like Baker Shave twice yesterday I mean can I didn't question can I just took it back to football is there any chance that you is there any chance that you're buying low on either of these two players do you think that they're greener days ahead or the offense is so bad that even for the fantasy playoffs you're like I don't want to put this much stock into I'm always buying low on players yeah I'm almost always now listen it depends on so buying Lo- is obviously a matter of like who you would be trading to acquire ores relative but yeah I'd say speaking generally I would buy low so I'm like somebody that's kind of hot right now that is played well of late that you might be able to legitimate cajones Marvin Johnson said big games in two of the last three. Yeah Wow we're really I would would you like if somebody said like I'll give you Keenan Allen for Marvin Jones you they probably did Keenan yeah me too here I will say this about Keenan Allen at Oakland next week then Yep Yep and then and then there's a game I'm this weeks at Oakland this week it's the secondary that can be exploited Yup then Kansas City in Mexico City so that'll be a fun game against the chiefs then there's a bye week the right Denver Yep Okay and what I thought was encouraging about the chargers the offensive line is played better right back and offensive line is played better the last two weeks. Melvin Gordon finally looked at me like Melvin Gordon yesterday the wasn't a great Keenan Allen game and maybe some of the volume has been detracted because of Hunter Henry and his emergence urgency or his return I should say to the middle of field has taken a little bit but Keenan Allen is to talented yeah I feel the same way I know we're sort of running yourselves circle let's just quickly go through a few other players there's Matthew and I'm going to mention performance and if there's legitimate cause for concern that you think about it tell me otherwise I'm just going to list them but we can just move on Savan days one catcher four yards one carry for twelve yards no brutal but I think it was just one of those games has been good against perimeter receivers this year Allen Robinson one for six against a bad eagles and on the loveless to come on a rob Again I think that was a sort of it's a little bit of concern because if you're risky but ultimately absolutely I WanNa see I wanna be I want him to be bad for another game before I panic. Dj Shark forecast for catches thirty two yards in London they gonNA buy next week Yep it's not panicking yet about either I will say I'm a little concerned that there is a bit of a field yates curse field yates and his hairy legs on instagram shaving shaming I'm just saying like I feel like they're nine Gardner Menchu and shark known as talk about how asking largely avs is too much about the hair I have very very round supple cavs no one talks about that that's a drop from someone pull that I have very round supple cab yeah LE- Martin if you're listening like like we need that game but yes I just all I know is before feel dresses Gardner men she with his his creepy hairy legs Gardner Gardner minhsiu Dj Shark and the jags offense is rolling along was Hamad then field dresses admits you know displays his unnaturally hairy legs the world world and then they completely bomb they just you display destroying truly not Harry hey every day don't hate me but but with with my with my balding head out there Gartner Menchu and DJ chocolate performed it wasn't an airline you're lying I'm just saying keep it rolling your Darren Waller to visit last question and just last question that we move on true or false Chepe and sleeps in like long pajamas to cover her legs that there's no false I'm I'm not sure I think I know what I'm getting for Christmas is she probably does want to do to hurt your Leonides onesies I guess I'm sort of onesies or something like that just because you know when you're sleeping ping together when you're in the same bed like legs roll on each other and that kind of thing and just like you know keeping can't get good night's savings like when did we dog all right that was just feel rushed against me I shouldn't Apollo I feel I apologize about Lesok you dare waller to for fifty two yesterday I'm a little nervous really second bad game in row for down wall and what's concerning here is the only got two targets and a game in which Derek Carr played well in a game in which the raiders were throwing and they put put up thirty one points in this game Darren Waller got two targets he decided Eric now he's not playing well like when I'm not saying that he's not playing well listen listen there's a different teams are defying him as the threat they need like if found a run for US Marcel Eightman beats us we'll take our chances of Zeta Jones owns our foster monroe but no we're making sure we know that waller is a baller we're going to we're going to try to take him out of this game like like well there's the Beyeler still I'm a little nervous like he thought he was too for fifty two but onto targets foster moreau gets in the end zone once again vultures him I look you're still starting Dan Waller caller but am I concerned I am a little bit eyebrow raised a little bit here a little bit I do too bad games in a row but I really like that you can do about it like I'm still starting him I am certainly really not mean you can't obviously not dropping him like yeah I I'm less trade I mean you could you could still train them while he's trying to consider to be like he was he was the number you thinking about this match with the war room league I haven't been like I'm sixteen eleven so we're in the world together we talk about Durham all trade after this all right you start looking around I we're gonNA take a quick break and talk about the chiefs on the other side but I a clip from our friends well maybe friends over at the fancy show Daniel Frontiers that's a good point oh the COSC- breaking news from my wife because I don't want to like I refuse to the Internet shamed and then pod cash shamed in the same span of like three days k. lovely the incomparable she's she she is eh she's a great woman and she has a great wife to you go ahead she texted during the day because she is watching the show live of course on the ESPN APP to watch tab or other methods and and she texted me to say psa your legs aren't that Harry Moreover you have huge cavs right I love them and I don't want to wear long pants to bed we're we're GONNA get some long pants and we'll just see what happens we'll see if they get used or not pressure no pressure I'm just gonNa give her some like some comfy getters and designer jeans great salt knows yeah fi sweats or something like twenty years something like we'll find something cute we'll find something Kim sure me undies has some sort of like lounge panthers they do something something cute and comfy for her so she doesn't have to lie to her husband listen she's doing what a good wife would do that she's very supportive like she's supportive why in life and there are settlers I understand shaping settled for me hundred percent I got lucky I wonder did you one of the reasons we get along as you and I are both married to settlers colors all right so let's let's topics here so the chiefs running backs Ziprecruiter I right nope not yet not yet the chiefs yesterday had an interesting shaft in terms of the runningback so Damian Williams had eleven carries hundred twenty yards and a touchdown plus two catches for three hours now ninety one of those yards or excuse me eighty none of those yards came on one long Kerry just a breakthrough run Shawn McCoy three carries for nine yards with one catch for zero yards matthew and we asked this question going into last week hey do we think that the chiefs would just go back to the Shawn McCoy after the fumble the week before and we we didn't know who nurture the only people that would know be Andy Andy region look I I mean I'll I'll I actually here's your shopping I feel it happens do question because you know what because here's the thing because like when I'm I'm happy better good call like when I made good like we had really good calls and you know and the chiefs in like you know in whatever I've had a lot of calls and so but if I'm going to pat myself on the back when I mentioned like my bold call was Jordan Howard eight yards and touchdown against the bears and he gets eighty yards and touchdown if I'm GonNa Pat Myself on the back and give myself credit for good calls I gotTa Take It on the Chin for bad calls I got a cop to that and so anyway that's my I see it differently but that's just whatever move on here and just say that like no there was uncertainty based on the match with the Vikings the uncertainty we'd seen in the backfield Kelly their ineffectiveness it made complete sense to fade the entire chiefs backfield and that the thought process was that that if you had to start one I would we understand why you would start mccoy over Williams just because he had been getting more work recently prior to the fumble and I feel like I feel like one of the reasons why there was kind of this running back by committee is because android was waiting like the rest of the fantasy world for somebody to step up like somebody show me something neither running back and that includes Daryl Williams so none of the three had stepped up in a significant way right and also but now Damian Damian Williams with a ninety one yard run overall is very effective twelve for one twenty five he catches a few balls you know as well as opposed to Shawn Mccoy three for nine look I feel like how do you not go back to Damien Williams after the formats over the last five quarters and obviously this includes you know post fumble bowl of McCoy last week over the last five quarters Damian Williams played fifty-seven snaps Shawn McCoy has played six so all of that I agree with everything you've said however here's here's what I think this one ends up as okay I think this is one of those backfield's that goes where the wind blows it we tweak right now that right now is Damien Williams but you know what happens if Damian Williams struggles or daime willing fumbles is hey sean mcauley you're back in right coaches care not about our fantasy teams right right I mean they don't and they don't they don't do anything so right now right now I feel confident Damian Williams it's November rankings come out tomorrow you'll have Damian Williams significantly higher than the Sean McCormack yes same and it is worth noting that before the ninety one yard touchdown run the Damian Williams had an eight to three carrie edge over McCoy so like it's not like the guy had one big Ron and they're like oh let's keep feeding him like he was almost he's played six naps over the past five quarter yeah it was just saying yeah so they play at Tennessee next week there's a chance that Patrick mahomes plays in this game he seems like he was sort of a game time decision yeah there's there's a chance yeah for sure so and obviously that would raise up the entire value of all chiefs pass catchers that includes Damian Williams I feel like in addition to getting more clarity in the chiefs running back situation we definitely got clarity on the bills running back situation which one me aboard but thank you I thought I had denied the victory over Franco Oh did not I miss remember supported Frank Gore Devon singled Terry twenty carries for ninety five yards and a touchdown with three catches for forty five yards twenty-three fantasy points Frank Gore tried his best is to not score a touchdown on three straight carries I mean from the one yard line eleven carries for fifteen yards just one point five points here over the past two games matthew it's a decided ed in terms of snaps played yardage not necessarily carries but yardage plus catches this one has netted out matthew where I think we expected it would after Shawn McCoy Quoi was cut by the bills right before the Begin Devon thing that area they clear cut workhorse in this backfield he is he's got such big playability and we talked about this seven single on the loveless coming into the week as well and so single terry who has more explosiveness and by the way if you watch this game towards the end of the game when they were trying to salted away when they had delete it was all devon single tear and he gets into the end zone towards the end of the game last two games he's played sixty six percent of the offensive snaps and their upcoming schedule field at add Cleveland at Miami home to Denver at Dallas Dallas and Denver aren't great matches but they're not ones that totally scare you and certainly Cleveland Miami or two teams that you can run and significantly well so like looks really good here for Devon Single Terry and my guess is he's not one hundred percent rostered he's probably close to eighty or something like that is way too you know go to eligible fuzzy was hurt go take a look yeah it's just it's it's worth noting there but yeah shockingly sixty six point five percent what are we doing when people come on serious so anyway if Devon Single Terry's available in your league for some reason he is the number one clear cut pickup there's no question about that as well and I would be okay dropping Frank Gore yeah I neither ostrich bottom okay with I wouldn't do it just like you know just because just to be mean to France or respect if you need the Ross responded that there are other players especially with sixteen hundred by they carry more value now and going forward then frank core question by the way on the buccaneers backfield all right do we get some clarity there has there I've been a a changing of the guard because Ronald June's eighteen carries for sixty seven yards and a touchdown to catches for fifteen yards starts Ronald Jones and and I'll tell you I'll tell you exactly something you're playing against Yeah Jeff Wheatley and in our War Room League Jeff we lose the coordinating producer fantasy football now yeah great fantasy player but come on weet wheat why are you starting Ronald Jones. Well we've been Ronald who were the other options and did this aside the matchup no he just crushed me like a great blake everyone he had his McCaffrey Africa he had McCaffrey so he has he has McCaffrey he had element but he got sixteen points out of Ronald Jones and like whatever he has element is a good team and Stefan addicts thanks one for four like what are you doing to me Stefan dig so yeah digs between digs and Ronald Jones that was enough for not put him over the edge I almost survived league j-league but I almost arrive Christian McCaffrey but it was just too much anyway but the fact is I was like I I wasn't worried when I was looking at Weekday Beats Lineup you're always worried about McCaffrey and he has element there were a couple of guys I was worried about I wasn't worried about Ronald Jones and I should have been yesterday as well eighteen sixty seven and a touchdown he caught two passes fifteen yards sixteen point two fantasy points without looking at it my guess would be that's his best fantasy day of the season I it's it's either as best or as a second best it's definitely up there and but we see though like I think we have seen a clear again a changing of the guard here which I think makes Ronald Jones a player player that should be added he is available in good healthy percentage of leaks he makes the waiver column as well and he should again second round pick last year this is how this thing should have netted out he has a a better talent is and Peyton barber it's no surprise that Ronald Jones is being more productive is more productive right now than Barbara Ann does Bruce Arians is getting a getting understanding that right his touch of the last three games four to twelve to twenty this past week against the seahawks the last time thirsty kyle notes the last

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SPITTIN' SILVER & BLACK: Draft Week Special Episode 8 with Tony Cordasco

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SPITTIN' SILVER & BLACK: Draft Week Special Episode 8 with Tony Cordasco

"You guys so much for listening to spitting silver on black on the silver and black bride Pago SP nation. I'm your host and AK Nile Phya, and I'm kaylin. So cal. Aka mini underscored how to and we have we have an old g in the building a special very special guests Tony court Lasko rubble alumni must Vegas journal journalists for over. The. It's a pleasure to have a Tony the OG a tone Capone. They call me, Tom Capone, aka dascomb AK desk desk you. Thanks for having me medicines. Cool. Yeah. Desk the genius. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go to see. Well, let's assess after the hour desk desk, go from the sidelines. Copyright the seven zero two. One race. No barely. No, not that even so actually from from Newark, New Jersey from the streets of Newark, New Jersey to Vegas, but this has been my home for decades. Now, that's hard to believe decades. But yeah, that's that's it leeann Kaelin. I'm only been around for two. That's good. Keep going, man. Whatever you're doing just. Yeah. Just keep going, man. And I in growth already. I've seen the growth already in the two years. Yeah. By me by me. Of disco by desk. Oh, you know trademarked. Give me a whole bunch of gyms here desk by the time, you leave you get you a list and can get a trademark. For we do. That's great, man. Thank you so much for us. Oh, it's awesome. I couldn't miss this, man. This is fun like two years ago. Why go now? Yeah. Yeah. But I mean always ever since I met you all of that's. Pts dabs just from hearing you in different workshops in working with you on the sideline way. You carry yourself. You have such a light energy enjoy in. I mean, I think you're going to bring that to the mic. No, you know, what guys you have to be passionate about what you do. Right. Whatever you do you have to carry this this passion and just this or of like having fun. If you're not having fun. And so like, I have an event company to hear right? Yes. So what I do is. I that's great good research. And so what I do though when I hire people, even if they're independent contractors, and such I tell them like the most important thing is to have fun, right? 'cause if you're not having fun, and that's why I think people want to work for me again. And that's why people, you know, want to work with me. I just think, you know, even when we do broadcast when we're on the air when I'm doing play by play when I'm you know, hosting a show if you're not having fun. It's really not worth it. And like, that's what got me into radio. I guess from the get-go because I really had it was a lot of enjoyment. Right. And it wasn't like it's work. But it's really not it's challenging, but it's really not work. It's not work. It's just it's something you're passionate about something. You really enjoy? And hopefully, you can just continue to work on your craft, right? Do ever question for you? So I mean, how long have you been a play by play broadcast? That's a great question. So dating back to the early days, we call the stone-age around here. So, you know, going back aways. So when I was in college radio at KU in v I was the first sports director of the college station, and as sports director, I had a lot of influence at our as to what programming was on the air. And so one of the things I did was I said we're going to do a lot of sports move into a lot of live play by play. Oh boy. Did I I didn't know what I was getting into right? And I had never done play by play. I did it into a microphone. I go to high school basketball games that New Jersey. I always knew I turn what I used to do as I turn the volume off on the TV, and I would call Yankee games at home. And I would that's how I kind of started off then I went to gyms and high school games. And I started to call games in high schools into a tape recorder. And when I came here, though, to Vegas what I didn't realize the worst thing ever and Ceylan I told you this story I had the worst east coast accent. Ever. So I sound like New York. Well, sometimes it comes out, particularly when I'm with people from the east coast. But you know, like when I'm just chopping it up as you guys might say like with people, I comes out sometimes, and I have to really concentrate. And so what I did though seriously was I would sit like every night before I went to sleep for one hour. I would read a book into a tape recorder. Because I went to my first job interview. K news was all news station. It was like nine seventy AM. And I think they're out of existence today. And I said I want to come on the air, and I wanna do news wanna break in like, I do anything news. I wanted to sports eventually, but I'll do whatever it takes. Yeah. Kid, you have this horrible accent? I brought like demo tape, and it was just it didn't sound bad to me. That's the craziest thing I didn't know that. I had I had no ours in my vocabulary. So every night before I went to sleep what I did serious. I would. Read into a microphone a chapter two of a book. And then as I was going to sleep I would play. Well, it was on cassette at the time. Right. And as I was falling asleep. I would play it back and listen to myself as I was going to sleep and then through repetitions got better went back like six eight months later, the hired me to do news and the rest was history. But I started to do play by play. And I think during my days at UNLV because we did high school sports. We did UNLV we had lady rebels did all the lady rebel games. I did you Ellie baseball. I must have broadcast over two hundred games by the time. I left UNLV to prepare me for the real world. And then I got a lot of other jobs, and then I went back to jersey for a little bit came back here and I've been doing play by play and sports talk ever since. But it's been, you know, but it's still like it doesn't feel like this journeys over like I have a long way to go. Because I still think he could. Always improve. I still believe I want to do more. I always have this craving. Do more broadcast. Like, I would just wanna do everything, you know. But I have a ball doing it. But you have to have fun. That's what I was getting do you have to have a good time. And just do you have to pay a lot of attention to what you're doing. Yeah. If you don't enjoy what you're doing. My why do it at? All. Right. Exactly. And you have to do a lot of homework to, you know, people don't understand you really have to work at the craft, and you just have to do a ton of homework, so more. But I really can't see myself doing. I don't see myself a regular at a real job. Yeah. And you know, what's crazy is that once you get into radio, or even if you do TV or something else like, you know, we're you're the electron electric media. So I I was in radio and I left for a while. And I came back because it's always in my blood, and I always want to do it. And then so for fifteen years I worked for red bull energy drink. Right. And so for about. Yes. So about like thirteen years of that time, I wasn't doing any broadcast. And so I said I came back to you in all the, and I go I wanted to games I want to get back on the air. And they've just looked at me kinda crazy. And at the same time, you know heard about livestream. Why don't we do live broadcast? And they were like, okay, we'll try to do something got it. And now, we live stream broadcast basketball games. Then that's opened up doors to other college basketball games and other events and football, and whatever and I've traveled to do games, and it's a blast. Because I this this career can take me so far like you can go especially today, especially in today's world with social media and the ability to get yourself out there. And then look at the equipment. I mean, we have real to reel tapes that you had to edit with a razor blade. You guys during the workshop you guys explaining about how you guys have to cut tape over to the other side of the street and use of telephone to get the signal that really made me very thankful for the equipment because I mean me coming into this. This is what I might when I look at some of this. It's intimidating you know, all the computers and such. But it also is it makes me thankful to because I kind of understand what's going on there only because we used to have to take, you know, the two tin cans and the strings so to speak, and we had to tie them together and figure out how things were connected or how to get on the radio, you know, and how if you were doing a remote to go through a phone line. So you kinda you gain more pre think for where it's at today. But oh, it's amazing what the advances in electronic media today to we are broadcasting on KU vide. It's been thirty years since. We started since we signed on the air right here on this campus. I was like a founding father. Yeah. Man. That's crazy. It doesn't seem like that long ago. That's another lesson today. Just enjoy every single day because it goes by fast just goes by fast guys before you know, your life went, no. Thanks to now. I feel not only old getting older. I didn't say. Lifelong learner. That's what I got from this. It's never time to stop learning. Oh, man. Just people earning so much fun. So this week actually along with Kane v Dade being today. The draft is also on Thursday as well and Poston Nashville this year next year, it's in here in Las Vegas. You know? Introducing the new open raiders, nor the soon to be Las Vegas writers. I should say. And let's dive a little into the draft Lewin to scuttle the schedules released mid week last week. So I do know that they're open the season two games at home. Against Denver and Kansas City. And then you know, they have couple game or about five games on the road per se is one gains in London. They have a buy week. What do you guys make that schedule September? Twenty ninth is the first game against Denver. They're the best game that they had last season was against Denver, excuse me. I feel like their car working really good with Antonio Brown. We're gonna see that chemistry start now. And I mean we've seen off the field that they've been bonding that he said that Antonio said he's the coolest guy on the planet. That's good chemistry. You need of that that dynamic between the two is going to be exposed. And I'm ready for it. It's just a precursor to what they're gonna do with the Las Vegas stadium. Nor man are they ever in. Yeah. That's difficult because they are they're gone from Oakland Coliseum for five weeks, and they have a buy week in between there. But I think that the NFL job them, they really really like hurt them because a couple of things one, you know, maybe their last season Oakland, and let's just send them around the world, and whatever number two the NFL by the end of January and into early February what they wanted to do was they wanted to have a signed lease agreement for the raiders to know where they would be playing the twenty nineteen season and that kind of dragged on and dragged on and dragged Don and then like literally it was like what into March. I think before they finally. Signed the lease agreement with Oakland. And by then I think the the NFL probably had it with them and said, hey, these are the scraps that are left, you know, you guys take your time. But the one thing so the Oakland Coliseum deal. Right. That's done. And then they play in London against the bears against Khalil Mack. That's going to be an exciting game. Right. Is that going to be crazy? But even Oakland to. Yeah. But you know, what though guys? So when when the raiders moved here, hopefully, they don't give a home game in England. They don't want. We don't want the rate. We want the raiders to play all eight games here here. We don't need to go to Mexico City. We don't need to go to scatter on wherever in the world. You don't need to go to. Yeah. The junkyard. I don't need to go to London. We need to play all the games here. Right. Yeah. And but one of the reasons why they do have to play in London is because no no because it's an agreement. In place of the NFL if you relocate the season prior you have to play a game in London. And they've announced it I think like two or three years now that they've been moving to Las Vegas. So they have to have those games in London. And at least it gives a chance to build an overseas internationally, no fan base because the fan base is crazy enough. Yeah. It is crazy. The players like what you sound like since then like trying to figure out at home and gonna play they did give their part of the last schedule to be made if your role Tampa Tampa job as well because they have five straight weeks. Also. So that might have been like the last two teams that you know, kinda like companions. They kinda pair them up. You know like that. But there will terrible as well. But but the raiders have played in Mexico City in the last few years they've played in London. They keep travelling them around the world in. Yeah. We don't want them to play a home game anywhere else. But the new Las Vegas stadium. At least like give us like five years. Well, give us a few years though. So the fan base here starts to really get into that groove. And you know, and then, you know, the the stadium has to make money, right because tax payer. Yeah. The taxpayers paid money. Right. So we have to see the dividends we're not going to do that. If they're playing on the road. Right. Absolutely. The ROI. Two. Obviously someone fifty million dollars of public money. You're not going to play a game where you're going to play all the games at home. Right. I mean, you have to give that stadium way deserves visits going to be the best in new stadium in the league. Right. It's going to be gorgeous. And you know, you know, what's crazy is. So so I do a radio show to and it's called Saturday sportsbeat on CBS sports radio eleven forty AM and on Saturday mornings, and I had the head guy from the Nashville convention visitors authority, the quivalent of our Las Vegas convention visitors thirty here. So I just asked them, you know, I was asking him what goes into putting on a draft. Because hey as soon as draft ends Las Vegas is on the clock. And I mean, the everything just gonna fall into place. Imagine how exciting twenty twenty is going to be where all of a sudden we're going to be host on the draft here. We're going to be having you know, the stadium opens UNLV plays its first game out. Side a samoyed stadium. You know as a home game. I mean, that's been there since I was in school way back when I mean to me, it is just such a an unbelievable historical year, you know, a head and twenty twenty but so much work goes into putting on the draft. And I think that's going to be the very first piece, and then the stadiums completed man, I I could kills when I say it, but the NFL is far greater I think, and I've seen just some little samples of this with like went to the groundbreaking right for the stadium went to the ground breaking for the Henderson H Q facility and everything that I see in the raiders to everything for his class. But man, this is tidal wave that's about to hit this city like nobody's business. No. We think we are. We think we are. But this is going to be but NAN is not like the NFL. Yes. The absolute next level. Yeah. Because I mean, then it fell on how can you not do that? That's like America's sport in. In this century. Right. You have to put everything first class. You have to do everything top of the line and doing here n even adds to the craze of what Las Vegas already is. I've been here my whole life. So I've been I remember going in people ask me do you live on the street? Stupid question. Yeah. Distribute are only identity Rochelle just what twenty sixteen when we got the aces and the nights in the lights like that. Right. There was huge big step that we would have been happier. Like back in the day. This would have been like, okay. I guess we're pro sports city, but nothing like the tidal wave of the raiders, I never thought we'd have an NFL team here and let alone into the raiders like great. So I like when I went to the it was a viewing party last season at downtown Las Vegas. What I seen that many people? I didn't it was real to me. Oh, okay. We're out here. The raiders are serious serious said, they do everything upper echelon. Yeah. And as you're saying earlier about the raiders and the bringing all the fans together bring Las Vegas into more of a community because they put so much effort into local area as well that it brings off Vegas together sort was apart before because it's like Cincinnati than the regular city. And it's like, you know, they're bringing that helping to unify into one go nights did after one October. And I know a lot of raider ambassadors. One of my close friends, she is on the ambassador team for the raiders. And she goes to in does the junior training camps. And they're starting with the kids in the nets really good with the place sixty getting outside when you see that. She tells me when they see that raiders truck pull up the rehears years. Big. It's really big and this last weekend right on the air my CBS show. We are Leo gray from the raiders foundation. Yeah. We had my earlier guy. Yeah. I know. But he's been he's been homing day. One OMI is that what they say. So, but so Leo was out giving twenty five thousand dollar check to play sixty for a new seven on seven passing league. You know that they were doing it Rancho highschool three hundred kids show up you go to high school football games on a Friday night. And they have a presence there. They have banners, right? And then they bring out the cheerleaders. They bring out a raider alarm to sign autographs. They do like face painting and tattoos. You know for the kids and. I'll tell you. Why? Like, they have done it. Absolutely the right way, they came into the market the right way, they've embraced this community the right way. And man, I am just I'm over the moon ecstatic, you know, for having them here. And just imagine what they're going to win the team is here because you know, the players the as broad the play sixty and everyone it's all going to like magnify because when team comes here. Everything's going to expand more people going join this to be more events in the wind. The teams one of the top teams NFL to reach out into the local communities. See more, and you're going to see more. Industry. Not only sports industry, you're going to get you're gonna see more of like food in restaurants. Just seeing the IMB long around somebody moved in to my job. I work at highrise somebody from the raiders moved in this week. So people already sculpt out where they wanna stay drunk. Jon Gruden already has a spot in southern highlands were allowed to say that. Address. Yeah. Hopefully, it's gated a gated community. Yeah. Of course. And then Colton Miller. I heard is building a house here. So the tackle offensive tackle coal to Miller is already building a house here. So they're ready. I mean, they're here the presence is here. And as soon as that last game is over in Oakland. It is going to get it's going to be bananas. I you know, and this week the raiders have a private party for a lot of their alums and some players might come into town and they're doing like a private deal this week. You know, the watch the draft raider alums are out. I got I got a call today about cliff branch will be over at park MGM. He'll sign autographs, you know. So they're all the presence is here. Could you guys imagine? Okay. I just get chills when I think of this. So they're trying to get the Super Bowl here in twenty twenty-five. Right chills. Right. That's great. Yeah. All right, twenty twenty-five. But or already if you go to the strip on Super Bowl Sunday 'cause I go to a lot of these parties and events on the strip, and I'll tell you. It's packed as it is right. And we get about now, we get three hundred thirty thousand or so people here if there's a Super Bowl, you're not gonna be able to find a hotel room, they say that it will be the first billion with a B billion dollar event that the city has ever hosted. I mean, it is just mad money, and it's going to just bring so many more people so many more eyeballs and then outside of here, right guys, like Las Vegas, just the brand Las Vegas is so powerful. Like anytime something that says Vegas is on TV in instant ratings. Right. Like everything everything about the city is on fire. But you put an NFL franchise here. You put the raiders as an international brand here. That's the business right there. That is not only is this like a whole sports room. Right. All the bases. Like the only thing that we don't have is loser. What's the curdling light? We're do have curling. We do. Yeah. The championships were here relating. Yeah. The Orleans after the yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The tweeted about them, and they come down we want you to hang out. And you can they wanted me to get on the ice. But I'm a klutz. I'm a class. I would have fallen on my face. Been worse. Maybe maybe maybe speaking of easy K game seven to night, San Jose Sharks or us. It has to be us. Who's us who's us possess in being bias VG? K. Yes. Yes. But before you pipe been on that I believe the sharks are going to win. Because here's the thing. Marin Jones stepped up his game. He had a franchise record fifty six as in his last game. And to say that any goals in get your percentage of that from where he was down in the dumpster fires in the early going. It's just amazing. And I think is going to add home in a game seven is all the fans of the out for the game and follow the fans beyond the aim in San Jose. That's gonna be a tough environment for. Vk to win. And for that game. I don't think that go nights are going to be able to keep up. I've said since the beginning non here. But in public that the goal nights are not gonna keep up five goals a game a wide takes to win. There. Does not do that, especially San Jose. It's nothing. We haven't done before. Okay. We are broadcast. Kidding? I'm not getting in the middle casting. But fifteen minutes away from the stadium. They can hear you. All right. So not that they're not that. They're there. Outside Iran Toshiba. We literally can't my heart won't let me I was outside last year. Came. We went home the Stanley Cup finals who's we the Golden Knights. I'm I can do it for tonight's is different. So I was out there watching, and I was I was alone. My heart was hurting watching that hap-. And I mean, even if we don't even if we don't win which we will I'm so proud of them just for this to be the sophomore season, they make it again. They're a number twelve on ratings as a people go into the games in the second season twelve you're going to be the first year. And I assume he's going to lose three one. We're just not going to speak that it's hailing. Yeah, in so I think we should go break now. And then we'll be right back with talking more about the draft. And who we think the raiders are going select? All right. We'll be right back with fittings over black. Welcome back is spitting serving black on black pride podcast on SP nation. I'm kaylin cycle aka mini underscore Kyle to I'm an I eight nine off. I am. Oh me and I'm at Tony desk. Oh, Tony Curtis. Co. Ak might check one two two AK dascomb. Mike seven oh two. We go. There we go. It's okay. We just wanted to mention something about the schedule. The raiders they really did shuck it to them because they only have three games back to back this to nineteen regular season and the rest of them are away away. And they they don't even play their last game of season at home. They have two games after their last home game. So I mean, I guess it's just gonna keep the intensification of I'm ready for this. Honestly, frankly, I wanna see this. This season is like a test drive to me test drives for the turf, the Las Vegas stadium in they need to win now in order to high above Las Vegas is after go nights. Did you know they're a win now mode? Yes, we it's a win now city. And I mean the aces was like there the first season fifteen twenty not bad for like a new a new season new coach new players never played before. Only a hint at you know, tr-. Royal run for an NBA team is that's the WNBA WNBA is here four. It's going to be a brother running right up behind him. I'm maybe like two years, maybe after all your next year. They'll be talking about it in two more years. It'll be real the priority. Talking about behind the scenes. I mean they that link. One of the dumbest thing that. That's on the strip is the link they were talking about that for over ten years. Good. And then it is pops up in just closing slow motion for twenty four hours waste, a whole bunch of energy that we can. You haven't been on the ferris wheel. I've been on it roller. Big baller. They should call. It. The big ball. After lavar ball, Lonzo ball, lamelo ball, and the Angelo brand that traded before him. So yeah, it's not that. I mean, it's cool if you're bored, and you're not from here. All wanna see what else is there dislikes do know what I had a meeting with a Caesar's palace once and the executive said, it's a thirty minute meeting. Meet us at the high roller. Literally, I got on there. I had like my my notepad. And when that thing came back down around doors open, they were gone, but we had a thirty minute meeting, which I thought was genius. We had a meeting for thirty minutes. And that was at this is all the time. We have ten just, you know, make your pitch. What do you wanna do? What are you pitching us whatever, but thirty minutes tops, and that's like the timer. Best meeting I've ever had. Yeah. Because you get right down to the brass tacks. Get down to business only in Vegas that cool only do that. What else could you do in thirty minutes where it's timed out. You get to see the city. I wasn't gazing at the city though, taking notes and throw my pitch up environment. I'd say, yeah. It's a great meeting environment. You wanna get out of the office? Right. Who wants to sit in the boardroom for crying out loud as office space, they go, but they the draft. Yeah. Yeah. Draft is taking place. Liz it twenty third and twenty fifth. It's this Thursday, which is the fifth through the twenty seventh right back. Yeah. And it begins at five o'clock Pacific, eight PM eastern standard time on Thursday night. And so with the raiders having the most I on picks. It's you're the fourth twenty fourth and twenty seven of us elections who do you think they would select because you know, they've picked up a couple of running backs are ready this year in Isaiah Crowell. He only had one season under for yards carry with three point eight yards. Carry. He's his with the Browns. He's the jets exactly year then this year. He's yeah. And then with the raiders this year Bigalow by cheap one year one mind out contract, which is a steal for him. Come on for yard to carry one million that I take a flyer on him. And then Maguire, but you know, they sort of split sort of split carries two-thirds for crow third for McGuire. And then they had a b already this year. Tony Brown in a trade, and they gave him his contract is like three years fifty million and they're paying him big money that was one of the weaknesses last year. Their car needed though, the bomber he had like ten he had ten games last year without near substation, and you know, for Kara do that. That's great. And he just needed that deep threat in order to you know, that legitimately see market. We're never was in Oakland. And that's why they traded him. And then he never could stay healthy fit. The mold of John grew. Survive I do there, and they trade him for a first round pick this year. And so who do who do y'all think that they select, you know, my little tendency twang there? You say y'all. Okay. So it just depends because the Domino's could fall depends, first and foremost who Arezzo Anna selects rate. So it looks like Karl Murray everything is pointing towards Carter Murray. The people that I've spoken to that. I know in the media, and such and some sources, I hate using that word sources, but people I know people in the biz are all telling me, it's kinda Murray. So let's say Murray, go goes, I right. He is going. Okay. So he'll go first AirAsia second would be the Niners, and that would be Bosa Nick Bosa Easter after all this homophobic, tweets pornographic treats all of that pass. But he arranged them. I guess now. They're acting like that makes it all good. Right. So anyway, but you know, he's going to he's going to have to explain himself in the locker room. Right. He's going to have a tough time because he also took a shot at capper, Nick, just whatever else. But yeah, he had a bad Twitter game where he had no filter and just was nobody knows what his motives were. But he's gonna have to explain himself. And the first thing I think he'll say is I was immature at the time, whatever. And that's so both to say, I think he's going be he's gonna fall down draft boards because of that because you know, teams don't want that in the locker room especially for player. They're going to take hive is not him. Once you take a flyer on allied teams would take a flyer on such a chance with a high draft pick like that. I mean, he's going to be productive. NFL people have said in the business that he's going to be more productive than brother Joey Bosa who just with franchise tagged with. Chargers. But you know, who wanted to take the chance that means dot quarterback. But still main players the Niners will take them if you falls down. I'm I'm almost convinced that they're going to take them and they feel as though he's been in camp. You know, we had this thirty minute interviews where he went to camp, you know, with the with both the Niners and the raiders up there in northern California. I really would be shocked if he didn't go number two or even the first pick of if for some reason they back off. I mean, I think that the the biggest you know, term that they're going to use his smoke here used to be smokescreen. But now like, you millennials and everything so it smoke there's going to be some smoke here. So I think we're going to see a lot of smoke in this draft. And nobody knows like teams are putting out like little tidbits of information. But it's all it's all like noise right now. Right. There's so much noise out there until the actual day but talk about smoke. I mean Gruden just. Suspended like that word. That's the more smoke. People. Don't want any smoke. That's where I was go. I just don't say I just. I just I just don't say it quite as well as you. So us money was don't have that attention span. You know, say smokes that you know, we have to make everything three or five letters. You know, the chores I can do. Hey, man, shout out hashtags hashtag hundred and forty characters. I mean Gruden disrespected half of the the scou- that's normal. I mean, that's normal for NFL franchise do that. Because they don't want their picks to leak out to the media, and that's all for competitive purposes. And may act knows he wasn't media for sent for decades. And he knows it who's going to be leaking those things, and you'll know what Scott that they're going to be. So you wanted to keep them in the building you want keep your guys in the building the people, you know, in bunk, and plus with the new front office, you're gonna old scouts in going to we place him at the end the year. So why even keep the mill building? They're going move on you onto your guys. You know, what you're going to draft is you don't want anything to leak out to potential rival or anyone else in the NFL. You wanna keep your guys close to you? And your inner circle in that draft war says there's a trust issue. That is absolutely trust issue and coaches paranoid. I see it. I've been around coaches my whole life how they're just paranoid. And so. Yeah. In in that draft room anyway, so the scouts their workers done. Right. So they've got out they've evaluated. All these players. They've traveled around to every pro day camp, and whatever. And so now all the work is done. They go back. They don't have any right to be in the in the war room in the draft room. There's going to be four five people. And that's it. You'll have the head of player personnel. I think the attorney's gonna be in there Gruden and mayo and that's it. That's all you need. That's all you need. Right. Because otherwise, I mean like it's going to happen so fast. And you know, what they do with Mike Mayock, which I think is really cool. They went through and the like a mock draft yet complete with phone calls and the whole nine so they had a running clock would ten minutes. And then in between he's getting ready to make all of a sudden, oh, there's a phone call. Hey, would you like to trade for so? So like, they did the whole thing and just play. It all out because he's never been in that position before. And no one knows what it's like, you know, and Gruden just said don't blow it whatever you do. He said he said, I had a tank a lot of games to get to this point don't blow it. That's exactly what you told them. Smart. Smart smart, very smart for especially for new gentleman from never been for an office before. And now being Joe manager you need to get a little experience need at least a little strategic about before you start. I mean what if they're calling? Hey, long one Haskins. Like, what do you do in that? Right. You have to just make and you have to make a snap decision. And they have Klett, they have different boards. Like, you know. But again, I think the key here especially for the raiders trying to rebuild and they did a great job and drafting a year ago. Those players got a ton of repetitions on the field. I think the key for them is to continue to build their defense. And I think that they have to they have to stick to their plan. Once they're in that room. But see now the to me the best player. That they could get and you couldn't tell me this like a few months ago. But as I watched more film read more heard more, listen more, the guy that you have to have if you're the raiders is it offensive and defensive tackle. I should say Quinton Williams who can play outside. Here's a guy that attracts so much attention. He'll get double teamed. He can play inside he can play like over the center, he can play outside the guard in a gap. He could play outside the like, the the thing that they're missing what the raiders right guys is any kind of edge pressure any kind of pressure, but you can create Ed Ed pressure. If you have a guy like Quinton Williams people who just yes, exactly he's a disruptor. So his push up the middle. And then it doesn't mean that you have to have a defensive end outside of that tackle, you can make things happen. You know with with the line. Backer. You can bring a safety of you can walk a safety up. You can come off the ad you could do the corner blitz. So to me all along. I was just of this thinking, I guess early on like, why do they need a defensive tackle they need an edge rusher, but you can create that edge pressure in a variety of different ways. Now, what makes it interesting, right? Is that so my favorite team growing up the jets? And of course, now, I'm a raider fan. And I want the raiders to get Quinton Williams fan but the jets, but the jets are really they are now talking about drafting Quinton Williams. So they wanna get they wanna get Q. I feel as though I can't lose. But I want Quinton Williams to be on the raiders, maybe because for selfish reasons, I want him to be good here. Exactly, they haven't even gone knights set the standard for that year one. And in fact, in college Quinn, millions grade out as PO football focuses nine ninety six which is highest highest grade in guys graded exactly in both run and passer. And you know, and that was the combine you know, that that he's a great person. They never exactly the profiles. Yeah. He's lost his mom when he was very young very tight with his family. He's been a mentor to his sister, his younger sister. He's just been an exceptional role model like they have no character issues whatsoever. And he's a young man that just is like he's taken on all this responsibility at a young age, but he worked so hard. And he's like, hey, I played for Alabama. That's a pro system. I played against other pros like every week. And look what I did. And he's right. He's going to face a lot of these guys on the next level as well. He is he's something else. And he's well round that you know, I like that about players too. Because I think you have to be smart and intelligent on the field. But you also have to be good off the field. You do you have to carry yourself? Very well. And I think hey, look at this. I mean think about this guy's next season of Q is a member of the raiders right in another year. You're going to want guys that you know, you're not gonna have any troubles within Las Vegas. Right. I mean, I never thought of it in those terms, but you want a good character guy who's gonna come here. So it's going to be between the jets and the raiders. And the jets are looking at Josh Allen perhaps at Oliver who I said back in September. I thought would be a raider for some reason I was like this guy could fit the mold well fall down. And he might become a raider. If you're the raiders, you know, what trade something else later, you you need to move up. Ahead of the jets or find out what they're going to do. And you have to get Quinton Williams at all costs. This is I think it's so important for them to get Quinton Williams for the future of the franchise. I hope you're listening to tone, make sure whatever cost he put it on an is Bill. Bill me back. Yeah. But you know, I have a feeling that Quinlan's is going to go in the top three. I mean, the raiders cert- selective. They'd be smart too. But you know, I think they'll going going go more like after edge rusher or in that mold like, Josh Allen. I had this feeling ever since Josh Allen serve moved off the draft Fords that he would become a writer, or at least Landon top-five because his explosiveness off the edge is something else against Vanderbilt quarterback. He was against van ball who's totally dominant against SEC top opponents totally dominate. He was one of the reasons they were actually ranked this past year and Kentucky football is, you know, never in the top five. They're one of the lowest low teams in college football, the whole great. How rare is it for someone like like Josh Allen who could have come out after his junior season? He goes back to school, and he. Had all these goals in mind. So, you know, he had different NFL scouts and went to camp, and whatever, and they told him what he needed to improve on any did just that he did everything that they asked for and then some so he needs to be rewarded too. But I just think within the scheme within Paul Guenther scheme with the raiders. I just really believe that Quint that q Williams obviously, a Q Q dog. Yeah. No, not really. But it'd be great to have quitting Williams. Here would be so cool to have them in Vegas. He'd probably be great radio personality for you know, involved. Yeah. There you go in the later rounds with the other first picks, you know, they also need some defensive back help because you know, the defense was twenty sixth in the league, you know, you definitely need some defensive back of. So, you know, Byran Murphy fire, Mikey someone you while look out for he ran four five five forty. He has long speed. The Andrea acre Dan about him from Georgia. He he's back. He's he's a good. He's a good stud. And then, but I really think I I've seen buying Murphy's. Name a lot in mock drafts had the twenty round the twenty fourth pick. And I think that would be a really good. Why selection for writers because you know, five Levin thirty one eighth inch arms and hands. I mean, he's missed lie gains in college, but his composites. Spark score score was thirty second percent of NFL DB's, which is not good. But what really stood out to all the scouts at the combine according to numerous scouts was at. His positional drills at the combine with something else. Yeah. And you know, what at that pick? If you're going to go so with somebody defensive back, I put down I put down to take a look at Justin lane from Michigan state, physical guy six two and a cornerback a cornerback at six to imagine that right? And he's big physical, and they need that Jon Gruden likes running backs in the past. He has drafted running backs. There's one running back in the entire first round. That's all I mean, it's not a season where you're going to get drafted if you're running back and the only guys Josh Jacobs from Alabama whose very physical, the straight ahead runner downhill, and I think you know, that the raiders are like him. But here you go. Here's this would be my wildcard if I'm the raiders, you know what I don't care about defense. Whatever I mean, the NFL offenses are so far advanced now that other any really good other than you know, the patriots in the Super Bowl. Do you really see like? You know, just a great defense 'cause yeah, right? You never see that. So why not just load up on offense and go at decay Metcalf who's got like easily stud? He's he's bigger than anyone else. He's got he's got I was gonna say six pack that doesn't give him Justice, probably a twenty pack. Jon Gruden saw him, you know, working out at the the senior bowl. And he said that guy makes me wanna work out. Like you had a shirt off. It goes he just makes you wanna work out. But he's a physical specimen. He's about six five six six you line him up. You have the rest of that receiving core with Antonio Brown. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. You know, they got that Williams guy from from San Diego. And I mean, then you're then you're talking. I mean that that offense will not be stopped seriously defensive score. That's it you have to score points. And the the raiders did not put a lot of points. On the board open it up. It's might be the way to do. Yeah. And talking about other receiving options as well. You also might want a tight end because Jerry cook left, and he was one of the leaders on that team. He was one of the veteran leaders on the team who people could trust and he performed on the field. We also one of the guys you might wanna look at on the field in the draft is Noah found offense. And I know he fits bell checks belch Brahmin for visit in mid April. And. He had one hundred receptions, I actually that was Luke Wilson. But. Noah fine is like very fiscal. He fits the mold that year. Cook was he's he is a pass catcher in he fits exactly that almost your cook played for the raiders and perfect fit. You know, swap out one for a little maybe cheaper option and a younger option that can lead you nears. And if you get you know, the guy DJ maquette off became calf in then you get no fan. And then you also have AB imagine that trill of of receiving core. They were talking about TJ Hopkinson if you. Episodes. Right in. And I mean, he's his hands. He's fast. He's a really really good. He's running in blocking as tied. In is. Really good saw his stock has really gone up green. This is gonna be crazy 'cause they should if they had a contest to pick the entire first round. It'd be like, you know, picking you know, an NC two tournament bracket because you could never get it. Correct. Not with this year the way that the draft is gonna fall, you know, trades is going to have you know, what do we have five or six trays last year on draft day? There's there's some good tight ends. I mean, this is the year however of the defensive lineman. This says we're gonna see more defensive lineman, and then the southeastern conference could break its own record with the number of players that are drafted over the course of the draft. And it's going to be in the forties or fifties out. Imagine players that are. Drafted from one conference, right. And the southeastern conference is where to go because you know, you're playing, you know, let's just take Alabama. I mean pro style offense, right? You're like, you know, other schools like omiss and Mississippi State, and you know, Auburn like there's so much talent there, right? There's a lot of talent there. And and you're going to see that conferences, just even in the first round, you know, with all the edge rushers that are out there. And what have you it's going to be? It's going to be like it's going to be pretty much dominated by this out Eastern Conference. Other names that you guys named were above ten place in rank. Yeah. And I'm only named someone right now outside of the top ten in rank hunter Renfro from Clemson. He's a wide out and he's won two national titles in three years with Clemson. And Clemson, you know, they're. He's he played a big while he's always been underrated. And he he's a very good route runner. But what people are worried about is his size of five Levin. One eight five, but you know, he fits said Jeremy curly role that I know NFL and among other networks and people have compare him too. Because you know, I mean curly he's five nine one eighty eight. And he amassed two seventy over thirty one hundred yards with thirteen touchdowns in ninety eight career games with jets Niners bills. But you know, I can see hundredfold being a late round flyer by the raiders more for like purposes of the have gone after in this free agency. And you know, he would be nice little late pickup because he knows how win he's been around winners. And he's also been coached by the best in one of the best in college football, dabble Swinney at Clemson. And you know, it's going I think he could be a good late on. Flyer for the raiders, everyone Daska. Oh, man. Do I have any surprise picks? It e laid around flyers Lee round flyer. I dunno. Where's that guy? Greg little where's he from? Again. He is a an offensive lineman. If you're looking for an Lyman Greg little in twenty one hundred snaps. He's allowed ole miss his from the SEC. I was going to say, yes. So he's the offense of tackle from ole miss. Thanks. So in twenty one hundred snaps over three seasons that he started. He's only allowed six sacks. And look at who is playing against those monsters from the south Eastern Conference. So if this guy he's an absolute steel around number two, and maybe if he falls through for some reason, just again, there's so many live. And I think that what's going to happen is teams are gonna forget they're gonna forget about a lot of players that are still out there. You're going to see some names late in the first round, and you're going to go. And that's where the that's where the raiders could really, you know, they could just scoop them rate. He's they don't wanna go. They don't wanna go on. He's ranked third right on offensive lineman, right nationally at number three. Right. Yeah. But I look through all of the the pre-draft mock drafts and everything else, and I don't see him in the first round. I don't see him at all. But you know, the the raiders could also if they don't go all offense. They don't go. But if they don't go offense, right? They could still load up on defensive lineman. They could still like load up on young players on the defensive line. They can't lose the back of the can't lose. But they have it. All it also gonna start with Quinton Williams. They can't lose in this draft in. Let's say let him get away. That's the catch whatever it's going to take. And if they have to give up one or two other picks, I say do it. I just think he's that much of a difference maker and you'll have him and mo- Hearst on the defensive line. He'll have Arden key still coming off the edge, and then build it through free agency build through competition, again figure figure things out. But that's a guy that could play all the way down the offensive line. So are you Boga and be a good pickup for the raiders because you know, often line was like terrible this last year, and you know. Just just help them build up, and you know, may actually go Joe manager and he's well respected around league. As you know, we have all seen throughout couple months as been with raiders. He's he's done things. Like, you know, the something's out of the box bays mostly stack with others done. So are you guys four the raiders driving a quarterback or now? No, they they don't need one car. Come on. He he went Tangail value. Inception one game he had three or sections against the Browns. He had to. But he still won that game. Those is only multiple or something game that he actually one. Okay. But let's just say Arizona does not take Murray. Jon Gruden has said that he really likes this guy thinks he's very athletic with them. You know, he's a dual threat quarterback. He said five ten in one eighth. He threw in the one eighth. It doesn't matter anymore. Like there is no standard or prototypical size. I guess in the NFL. Anymore? You're Fetig, and you're good or fast, whatever or you're not. Right. So he's not deterred by Murray being shorter than than, you know, than we thought. But he's raved about him as well. And so I like, you know, that's where the confusion starts allies. And like, so Quinton Williams goes ahead and all of a sudden he start salivating and Gruden likes offense. And seriously. I I mean, everything depends on the number one pick. It's all dependent on that game. Right. Because then, you know, so then let's say Bosa goes I would number two what are the Niners to they're going to have to go after her Josh Allen or they're going to have to go after Quinton Williams. And then the jets, and it's just starts as domino affect all. The way down Wayne Haskins twain Haskins askings is a great quarters and six five two thirty eight. He was fifty touchdowns last year too. Big. Ten record wasn't. Yeah. They forget how good, you know. He really is. But his stock is starting to slip because. Again, like you have to fulfill yet, you know, you have to fulfil the need, and you also have to go after the best available. Those are the two rules of them in the raiders go out to the best available. They'll have to pick up Quinn Williams. They gotta get together them. Right. It only makes. I mean, how how can they not mean he saw draft for like rock, I stayed there. And right now the but now the jets who were on Josh Allen originally, they went to Ed Oliver. They went to Quinton Williams there back of could be smoke. Okay. But you know, it could be at Oliver Oliver is I can't believe I'm saying this, but he's a little bit underrated and his stock fell a little bit because he didn't wanna play in the bowl game because he got into an argument with head coach, you know, on the sidelines because he was wearing a coat, and you're not supposed to whatever the rules are. But in the combine, you know, he showed out he played really, well, you know in. During the season when he was on the field. He's dominant. He's an all American and they forgot about him. And now we asked to build his way back up. So it Oliver could be in the mix, man. It's it's gonna be crazy. They're right out outside of. I mean coming down to the top pick. Right. I'd have to say Murray goes I I do I do and then and then Bosa two and then after that who knows and Alvar actually at one time last year before seeing starred he was productive noble Novell pick than both took him over. Right. And that was by me project. All right. We're going to take one quick break in. We're gonna come back with our greater Reiter. You're listening bidding souverain black on the civil black pride podcast network SP nation. Welcome back to spit in server black on the civil lack pride podcast network on SP nation. Alright. So one of my favorite segments is the greater raider normally do in British accent. But I'm not gonna do it today. Come on. Literally. Okay. I guess I'll do it for Kaylynn. It's my cousin pool of today. Migrates will writer. Oh, sorry. Tony. You didn't even say say your name. You know, you you give to give you the sound bite. That's go Fantastico desk. Fantastic. Oh, no, no. It's dad goes fiascos like that. That sounds like a place as sounds ready for the raider game against the bears. I think we all yes. Yes. Oh, then in London pretty soon. So migrate derisive. For this episode is Kingston's finace souvent black owned. Nevin lawson. He comes from Kingston, Jamaica and his birthday is today. April twenty third. He's a quarterback. He was drafted in twenty fourteen by the Detroit Lions, and he has a hundred seventy two tackles, and he is the newest member of civil black. So we gotta give it up for Mr. Lawson. We can't wait to see you play here in Las Vegas stadium. You're in migrated or today is to hear Whitehead because on Monday yesterday. He actually. The raiders retweeted him and said Monday motivation because he's talking about the upcoming draft in a tweet. Everything ends good for a writer to give this to a player and say give him a motion and help him. You know, hype them up for the draft everything he said, there will be people in this world hate you for no reason, just because they're told taught to just guy keep it pushing and stay away from the negative vibes. You know, that's going to help players because they you know, fall down the draft boards. They've negative vibes in them, and they had to push through and get top. That's really nice of and really good to hear Whitehead to do that really nice of the raiders a first-class organization to re tweet him like that. Okay. And then I'll just jump in there is it. My turn zone you. Okay. What about Marcel? Even I like him out of Oklahoma state. He's what. Now, he'll be in the second year last year was his rookie year great learning experience. But now. That you have you have tyrel Williams. He have AB, right? Hopefully, they'll get Metcalf. And no I mean as a wide receiver. I think this is his time the shine right this upcoming season. So I just, you know, looking ahead here at at a potential, you know, major contributor right for the for the raiders this year. I think he's going to have a stand out season. And he'll he's going to break out because he's got so much talent. Ryan grant is now, you know, another wide receiver right that they signed through free agency. And there's a guy that no one's gonna pay attention to you line them up in the slot. And just let them go. He's fast. He can catch. Marcel eightman is that that I played at the right way. Rage, avi. Davis a double double raiders, plural. You are the asking. I'm ready for London now. Going to hand stadium. I'll be there. Not. One of my friends is going in a little upset. So this wraps up. Our eighth addition of spitting server, and blah, counting on this serve. Exactly survived probably podcast on me. I'm Canseco aka mini Gokhale to. I'm an eye AKFI in. It's been a pleasure. Tony, truly a pleasure. Goes are awesome. Thanks for having me at Tony. 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Week 11 Recap

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I just I was to be honest surprised to find you got included. Obviously you and I are visit. Brad. Yes, apps forever. Right. BFF's four ever. But. Yeah. I was surprised to know. That was in there. It's a I'm inclusive. You know Baroness is trying to box me out like, oh, you're fashion choices feel nine notice. Your nice shirt when you come in. And you're like, yeah. Collard greens his brand field wears that's right. We love our friends at collard greens, collard greens. But I'm just saying like all everything you are trying to leafy. You're trying to get the Instagram that, you know, the oldest. Mission. I you want him to be like, your soul best friend. You don't wanna share? That's right, and feel nice indecent generous soul. Wants to include me. It is I we honestly pointed out of a real dichotomy and issue for me define is because in trying to be like field and keep them to myself box me out. But if I'm going to be like field, I need to be nice and inclusive. So it's a real it's a real push poll. And I think where I cited on it was just a sort of box yard because let's be honest. I've known you for a long time. To see news from the national football. Play another date between my wife and work. Wife's to find you over. Saw that made some ripples on the Instagram. Matthew's best pictures typically, those that don't include him and actually true. Actually. Right. Kinda you kinda right into that one. But it's true. It's funny because it's true. I one hundred percent like I I didn't want to take a picture of me there. Absolutely. No nice times to find you. Oh, always when Beth is right. You know, it is that always nice Matthew was there too. But since he's boxing me, Alex. He was there. On Saturday night, you should present. But I was the third wheel right mistake. I was the third wall between my wife. Very well. I appreciate that games to recap twelve games recap. Excuse me, including the one on Thursday night where the Packers fell short against the Seattle Seahawks. Twenty seven twenty four was the story there actually Aaron Jones was the story there for the Packers twenty seven point three points. Two touchdowns. That was great news. He has been freed, but a fellow to. You're welcome America. You're welcome America. That's right to freedom. Just just pointed that out real quickly with tons of. You don't have to point out calls. I get wrong 'cause there's tons of calls. I got wrong. I'm full a cop to that. Right. But in April, somebody my friends got Barrett found this tweet. I'd completely forgotten about found this tweet and re tweeted it, so Scott Barrett. Who by the way, he's a great follow on Twitter himself. But. Anyway in April this past April. I had tweeted our friend Evan Silva tweeted something about the Packers backfield. And that those going to be an interesting thing shaping up, and I had quote tweeted Evan and said for what it's worth a Packers team source that I trust tells me that by mid season Aaron Jones will be the running back you want this past April. And so, but the hilarious part is if you go and you can find this tweet. Reading all the responses underneath my tweet, right? Is high comedy hindsight, of course, being twenty twenty but just survives it to say? No, one agreed with that take in April, and they were very angry about it. Things have changed as to has the outlook on Marquez Valda scheduling because people are upset now. If I told you this and reminder tr- process over result is typically how we evaluate our own calls here fantasy football. If I told you it's gonna play every single snap except for one on Thursday night. Seriously every single snap except for one one fewer than devante Adams. He's an every down player you'd say. All right. I like my chances to have a reasonable day with Marquez Val desk Gatling with Aaron Rodgers throwing the football. Well, the answer was he got one catch for eight yards three targets. If you want to ask me what went wrong. I don't. I don't have a reason for it. Sometimes abolish it doesn't go your way, I do a little bit. And we talked about it on the show. I mean, if you go back and listen to our Thursday preview show, we talked about the fact that we didn't expect this. We didn't expect the goose egg that he put up or whatever want to catch for one catch freight yards. We didn't expect that. But we did say that with Randall Cobb out. He would move into the slot that the Seahawks have been a very good against the slot. That. You know that he was sort of big play dependent. And that I think coming into this game. Cow correct me if I'm wrong on this. But I believe coming to this game. The Seahawks were one of only team teams that had not allowed a slot. Touchdown this year they've played very good against that position. So we talked about that that we thought NBS was kind of a risky wide receiver three again didn't expect one point eight points, but we did expect some lower production because he was going to have to move inside with Cobb Cobb out and Saint Brown. We knew would move to the outside. We'll see how long Randall Cobb remains out. But it looks like he's not the only pass catcher that's banged up as she meet Graham leftists game with a thumb issues to find you look like he got his dumb caught in a face mask made so many handed finger injuries or like figures getting stuck in parts of the face massacre in the jersey at sounds like he has a broken thumb and the Packers haven't really come forward to say much about how it will be managed, but you can expect him to miss time. And the thing is even if Jimmy Graham would be at a point where you might play in a cast or some kind of modified splint. That's not going to help him as a pass catcher. So I think for fantasy purposes it's time to move on by the way, thirsty. Kyle throws a note up. I'm correct on. My Seattle slots that they are one of only team teams not to allow a slot touched on worth noting if Randall Cobb were to miss next week again, we would expect 'em VS to be in the slot. And we expect better results again because the Vikings have struggled against the slot. So far this year. So better days are ahead for 'em Bs again getting a bunch of snaps on the field with Aaron Rodgers one of those games going into this game. We said the most difficult part for Seattle. The size up was the running backs. Chris Carson, we thought was like an Rb too, right? Yep. With Mike Davis was like maybe a flex play. And then we thought that hey, you know, something for shot penny. It's probably hard to trust him actually being utilized in your lineup. Well, I'm looking through the scoring from this past weekend. And Chris Carson is like RB twenty down the weekend. Mike Davis is like Rb thirty. Rashad penny was like Rb. Forty two right? Like about where you expected them. But the good news was Chris Carson to the testify. It looked like a player that was fully recovered from that hippyish. Yeah. He did. He looked like he was running hard. We there was no evidence of any setback of from what you could tell. These are always the games where you go. Okay. He got through the game. He looked like he was running strong. Now, I want to hear how he felt after the game. Obviously, we won't get that until this week. But I'm assuming it's all systems go at him. I think that as long as that is the case him being healthy. There's being healthy that our outlook for right now going into the same week against Carolina. It will be about the same Carson's the one you want to start the one that still has the most passing game value and reshot penny is a big play waiting to happen. He did have a nice long run in this game. But still he got banged up though, not enough. Then he thought Rashad Pentagon banged up a little bit in this game. Am I making something up in my mind? He returned. When he came right? Okay. I'm not sure if he ended up leaving for good though, I didn't think so. Right. But I knew I knew he had gotten a little bit banged up. But you wonder if maybe that had something to do with because he was running well game. Remember him walking off the like he was hurt actually. But he came back. So I would just say this is that provided the is healthy for this week. Our outlook is probably going to be the same. Doug, Baldo said he was healthy last week's upon you. And it looked like a player that has a very good sense of medical self is smart guy, Stanford grad, you know, he's always been very I think he's been very forthcoming. I think at the start of the season when he talked about his knee issue and said, look, this is something that I'm going to have to manage. He was being one hundred percent forthright about that. And that's why we thought the knee injuries could be something that you'd have to deal with all season. And then he said at the start of this past week that he finally woke up for the first time without pain. He talked about how much better he felt and how much of an impacted had had on him. And we talked about this late in the week on the podcast. If this is really true when you're playing in pain every single day that's going to shape is the nuances of that that will impact what you can do on the field. I thought he looked like a different player. He did. And he always a different player. But there are points left on the field. Not by him. There was. Wide open. We'll throw handy nine out of one hundred times he heck he made one hundred out of a hundred times just wasn't his opportunity on Thursday night. We feel better about Doug Baldwin. We think he has a chance to be eight top twenty five wide receiver going forward the Bengals and the ravens, and then it'd be one of the stories of the weekends because it was Lamar Jackson's NFL debut as a starter. Let's start with the Bengals though, they fall twenty four twenty one in this game. And when AJ green got hurt. Our takeaway was like other players are going to have to step up. But it doesn't mean the Tyler boy just catapults into like top ten wide receiver range, and that's been the case since two games that AJ green has missed. He's been fine. Three catches a week ago and four yesterday on eleven targets you like that? But like he's what is right. I just don't think he's talented enough. And heck it's hard to make slot receivers. Your number one passing game option just in general in the NFL. They're more the exception than the rule when it comes to number one pass catchers, but John Ross again yesterday to catches twenty seven yards and a touch. On seven targets might have some value. Those two on you there. There's a at least like the is open day AJ green play next week the door the doors open. I think this is one of those you really have to see how the week goes on before you start getting excited about it's automatic. Because this is very much a feel thing you're talking about turf toe. It's how much comfort does I have pushing off and you can have good days. And then a knock good day after that. So I I'd be cautious. I guess with any early reports of them expecting him back. I think the doors open, but until it gets to be late in the week. I'm reserving judgment on that. I love to see more from John Ross each week method because I think he's such a uniquely talented guy at a four to two forty. But until we see it it's hard to feel super confident about him going forward a deeper league consideration, especially if AJ green does return on Sunday. I think that maybe the most popular question if you were to walk around in New York City, really busy metropolitan area this morning Matthew in your S ten fantasy questions. I think it's possible that six of them might be about Lamar Jackson after what he did yesterday. I say historic in this regard. I believe in I was able to dig up through nineteen ninety nine, but our friend, Michael David Smith and profootballtalk think had it all went back to nineteen fifty. The no quarterback is twenty seven rushing attempts and a single game. Lamar Jackson twenty seven rushing attempts for one hundred seventeen yards yesterday. Just like let's step back from like like just what it means going forward. Just I I what were your impressions of how he played yesterday. He played with exactly what I thought he would be which is he is an electric runner. He is almost like a human video game. This is what we talked about this on fantasy football. Now, we talked about this on the fantasy show on ESPN. Plus as well that we thought I think I literally said on this show. You guys correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was on this show where I said if I had a project to my thinking like hundred and fifty yards passing maybe one hundred yards rushing touchdown and a picker or I literally think that's what I said. And then you look at the box score. And it's basically about what he did. I mean, it's unbelievable. He did with the with the exception of the touchdown. Right. And so we brought up so cannily, he has worked to do as a passer, but he is a phenomenal athlete. Right. He's a human video game. And so this is sort of what we thought he would be. I mean, I brought up this point again on panacea. But will now when we brought this up on the fantasy show on ESPN, plus Tim tebow who is not as good a passer or was not as Lamar Jackson is at this point. And Tim tebow in twenty eleven when he got the majority of his starts average over eighteen fantasy points a game cube six on a points for game basis in that timeframe. And so like we've seen this Terrell Pryor average over fifteen fantasy points a game when he was a starting quarterback again, not a guy that great passer yet, but the legs, and you know, mobile quarterbacks to one of the reasons why Cam Newton even in years when his accuracy has been all over the place, no pun intended. He is still managed to be a fantasy superstar because the rushing just keeps your floor high coming into this year. Tyrod taylor. You've been a top twelve fantasy quarterback for the last three years entirely because of the rushing not entirely but in large part, right? Yeah. Influenced by the Russian influence by the rushing for sure. So he's interesting. We don't know how long Joe flacco will remain out there early indications against defying that might be through at least week twelve. Oh before I can I interrupt for one seconds to row quickly just keep going on this. And then we'll hear about flacco. I think there's a chance that Lamar Jackson is your quarterback the rest of the way, regardless of Joe flacco 's health interesting, well, let's get the update. And that's also one of those stories at like, we'll know when we find out, right? Like, what do you think's to Joe flacco? Well, I think the usually reserved play it close to the vest on Harbaugh saying after yesterday's game. It will be tough for flacco to make it back is about as revealing as it gets. I mean, we were kind of joking bit. We were watching the arrivals on the show yesterday. But you know, Joe flacco despite no, he's not crutches. He's not limping obviously. But he's not moving great. You know? And I think that to come back and play an NFL game. If you're still limited in terms of just basic getting around it's going to be it's absolutely right. It's gonna be tough for him raiders falcons. Chiefs bucks coming out for whoever plays quarterback for the ravens? So a very favorable slate very favorable. But you think about where the ravens are in this playoff race. Nate what your state field. I know sorry. Shout out to the old show. But no what I was going to say here is one of two things happens. They beat the raiders in week twelve. Now, they're on a two game win streak under Lamar Jackson. Whereas in the pre owned three in the last three under Joe flacco. So suddenly they're back in this playoff race. Are you suddenly going to say, hey, Lamar Jackson get back to the bench on a two game win streak? I don't think no right with think. No. Especially given Joe flacco health, especially given his contract situation. And then the other thing that happens is they lose the raiders. And they fall further out of this division. Right. I mean, so you know, obviously the Steelers won yesterday so this division slowly and the AFC's is pretty competitive. There's a bunch of teams basically fighting for one wildcard spot. So if they lose this game, and depending on how the rest of the schedule goes next week, they could easily be like, you know, what it's not our year. Let's get a longer look at our first round rookie quarterback again with Joe flacco being a free agent at the end of this year. So I think there is just whichever way this all plays out. I think there is a better than average. Chance that Joe flacco has played his last game as a raven field this past week when lady on bell did not report to the Steelers I suggest that the lady on bell might make sense in Baltimore next season. Right. They need to dynamic running back. And it was partly because what we've seen so far from the likes of obviously, Alex Collins and buck Allen, and I guess we hadn't seen time. Montgomery, but you get it. Right. And then yesterday Gus Edwards undrafted rookie free agents who I think's to find you claim you went to the u I think the great state of New Jersey would claiming went to Rutgers. He did his graduate transfer year at Rutgers undrafted rookie free agent seventeen Russia's one hundred fifteen yards and he played forty six. Naps compared to seventeen for Collins and thirteen combined for time on Gumri and buck Allen, it's hard to say that we've had any changing of the guard with certainty because there's only one game. But like this has potential to be a legitimate running back waiver wire ad, and we twelve I would think he is if you don't need a quarterback. I mean, I think Lamar Jackson's probably our number one waiver wire at especially, you know. Given that spoiler. He's my fourth and it's all explaining to call him. Okay. Please. Do I would expect you to that would be great. Yeah. But. Interesting. But anyway, but you think about when you're the other three you'll realize. Okay. All right. We'll get there. But you know, again, I just want to reiterate Oakland, Atlanta. Kansas City Tampa Bay the chargers in week sixteen. You can run them a charger. We just saw Denver do it last week. And then Cleveland weeks if you play on ESPN leagues where were you playing a league where the championship goes into week seventeen so Edwards who got his first carry on the sixth offensive snap. So it's not like something. Like, I mean, it feels like there was at least some sort of plan to get him involved early. Again. I don't know it did come out of nowhere. But it was impressive. And I don't know how if you're John Harbaugh again, you're trying to stay in this playoff race. How suddenly he goes back to the bench after what he did on Sunday? And so yes in a matchup with Oakland to me. I would think he would be the number one waiver add headwear. Yes. Certain eagles running back. We can talk about two in the same. Wide receiver. We can also talk about. But yes gusts that words is right there for the number two at someone's been talking about the eagles running back for two weeks now. So I'm assuming that if you're listening to show you already have Josh Adams on your team because we've been talking up he was my waiver ad last week. He was my we we've read two weeks ago infanticide now. So we've been I've been to I said production meetings morning think you're paying attention to. No, no, that's that's that's my dick. When he. Maybe we need to get to multiple games here going forward. But I just will say this. Yeah, we are going to get further into what Lamar Jackson means on this ravens passing game. Because obviously there's a fall out there yesterday John Brown and Macri had two catches combined for thirty yards. Obviously when a quarterback is lower volume. And that's only nineteen throws yesterday for the Mark Jackson. Somebody is bound to suffer in yesterday's case. It was both Crabtree and also smoky Brown. Let's move forward to the Colt and the titans and the colts are just eighth just freight training right now, thirty eight to ten was the final over Tennessee who there are a lot of wrinkles here. But the most important ones to find you maybe not for fantasy football. But just in general is a Marcus Mars banged up. Again. Exactly. And when you saw him down on the field that camera angle, you could see him shaking out his hand kind of flexing. Open and close fist looking like he was trying to get the feeling back in his fingers. And we saw this earlier in the season when he had the nerve injury. The direct Bruce to his Elba. Resulted in the nerve injury. I I've been seeing things that say right elbow injury. But honestly when he took the hit you size, neck, get jam to the side. Just a reminder that these injuries can come from his high in the neck if you have something like a stinger or download the elbow and nerve can be what you call sensitized. So after you have an injury it can be easier to provoke a repeat injury of that nerve. So something to watch hopefully, we'll get more clarity as a week goes on. But remember this caused him to miss several games because he couldn't rip the ball. Well, they play on Monday night, of course on ESPN in Houston against Texans. What a massive game that is core. Davis has a massive target share. He was number two in the NFL going into week eleven he had two catches for thirty yards on four targets yesterday. And it was on the lowest job berry are the titans not from a real football standpoint. Because I've really liked the overall program they are not going there. But for fantasy football are they like the Bengals adjacent to trust them. It's all of a sudden, it's like they bone you. Well, I don't know. What? What would it titan? Do. I don't know. What is what is what does it Josie? Are you? I don't know. It was a titan do spear. You they experience I'm bad. I don't know. I have no idea they that. Maybe they they they they they fork you what? Because like, you know, it's a Nashville and you've got good barbecue. And you can get hot chick. Anytime you need to explain the joke. It always makes us so much better. You know what? I mean, though. Thanks. Figure lessons and give me more comedy lesson. Here's a joke. And then explain to you, I suppose to be funny. Explain to me. So what? Okay, great. Yeah. So it'd be going more comedy lessons from secret, squirrel. Nowhere need. But appreciate to say that like, it's really hard. Like there has been no tightened that four q. Innoc- success all season. So I will mention that John Smith has a touchdown into his last three games. He had six catches for forty four yards yesterday. Yeah. If you're desperate for tight end. I understand why you'd be out of him this week that being said Matthew like, how can I say with great confidence that was Blaine gabbert on your you certainly can't. But if you're in a super deep league loss, Jimmy Graham to your point like if if you're scrounging around don't have Kelsey next week, whatever you're in a deeper league. It is worth noting that five of the final six games at the titans play against a defense that ranks in the bottom half of the NFL in terms of fantasy point and sort of. I'm sorry yards yards per catch against a tight ends three games against bottom twelve tight defenses. So it is a favorable schedule coming up, but to your point it's Blaine gabbert, or it's Marcus mariota. Look, you know, I think I'm off the hook for the Mariana and Corey Davis hate calls. They were both on my love list this week, you know, because he gets he gets hurt. He wasn't doing much up until that point. But I had to believe junk time was. Coming. Anyway. But regardless of any of that, it does it does seem like a mess here in it is it's one of those just when you think you can trust them. They don't in the same goes for Dan Lewis field. Yeah. I mean, just what what he had with four point two fantasy points at eleven touches yesterday but super frustrating again that was an absolute blowout. Really the story of this game was the colts t y Hilton massively officious nine catches nine targets hundred fifty five yards. Two touchdowns that works Marla MAC. Ran hard found the end zone. But I busted for you guys though. I question rest of the season. Now is just going to ask you like what does Andrew luck have to do to start to get people to start him. You know, his start percentage was under fifty percent in ESPN leagues. Really surprising voting in the league. I didn't know what else to catch a touchdown. And that will start starting. I started in a couple of days of caught on from the beginning. Yeah. No. I know. But it's just I just want to point like one person who didn't start them as Daniel dot member. Danny. Picked up four quarterback. Yeah. And he up four quarterback. Andrew luck on his team. Okay. And hold on. Let's really quickly run through this decision. Making process. I go onto ESPN dot com. Where a number of rankings are posted at number seven is Ryan Fitzpatrick now at number eight is Andrew luck by I'm just going to say a prominent member of the fantasy staff point fingers. So I just follow the advice that was given to me and the rest of America and play what was the higher ranked quarterback? So when you're asking why did it dangled up not play, Andrew luck? That's just a thought process behind like why that decision enough. And so a lot of people say like, hey, Matthew, well, Daniel ducks playing checkers, you're playing chess. And that's right. So I apologize for America. Yes would play Fitzpatrick over. And lose to me totally where today, so we were the the effort really is what matters and this game. Yeah. So anyway, so anyway, fantasy karma bit secret squirrel in the. But they're so, well, whatever sure and its tail and his but wherever it bit him. The fact of the matter is is that despite picking up all the quarterbacks available facts matter back in they're not able to defeat me Eric Ibran yesterday. I can't wait. Did you forget to put him on the stat sheet code no happen there? No now, I'm sorry had zero catches bagel. That's right. A week after the Hasselbeck start against me as a last second. He gets like twenty nine fantasy points. Nobody cares fancy team. I don't care. If I think it's clear at this point that I do the show entirely for myself if anyone wants to tune in and listen to enjoy it then go ahead, but this show is entirely about and yeah, yeah. I think we know that pretty much. Well, this is what we expected honestly, I don't know that we expected zero but he was playing less. He was running less routes. He was running a plane less snaps. I mean last week was so fluky three touchdowns on four total question. Yeah. To warn. You warn our piece of advice going into this weekend was if you could trade him I startled a wide receiver. Do you did? Right. And I think for those that did you were richly rewarded because I guarantee you that starting receiver even if he was on a bye still did the exact same your lineup as Eric. Chris Xeros across Jack Doyle played as many snaps as Eric Hebron. Mo alley. Cox combined us. Us Jack Doyle, the one that you want to be playing into week. He did there. I did. I totally did a little Marland MAC five touchdowns now in four games. You know, he's not your little anything. You didn't believe at the start of the season. So you were Mr. Naim Heinz. I told you Marla MAC would be good. And I told you that is them. I don't think that's true. Anyway, I, but I don't know. I could be wrong on that one. I did I did like AM Hinds at the beginning of the season. That is on a percent true to find you tell us about twenty three and me I'd love to feel it. Okay. Thank you Twenty-three me is named for the twenty three pairs of chromosomes that make up our DNA. Remember when I shared factory. I thought it was I thought that was about your and fields relationship. Of course, being Twenty-three in new being the me, not very very correct Haringon Twenty-three me as a personal genetic service. That helps you understand what your DNA can tell you about you and your family story as your left ones get together this thanksgiving. Discover more about the genetic connections. You share did you inherit your? He's is from your mom or your dad, and how much is in your DNA compared to your brother or sisters that should stimulate some fun thanksgiving conversation. 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I will say Carolina Panthers. It was a really great for Matt Patricia to be able to pull out a victory for me. Still waiting for the second half of the birthday wish where he sends you. They send me a signed game news helmet. Plus in a rousing speech at the end where they dedicate the victory to me into that. I was the reason behind why they're gonna win. Daniel don't don't ever count anything. Yeah. But the lions win twenty two nineteen over the Panthers. The story yesterday for the Panthers though was like do a changing of the guard at wide receiver. I think that's going to be the question. You Jay more seven for one fifty seven and one touchdown on eight targets Devon punches just two for thirty nine yesterday. But he got the targets. I don't think we're there yet. But. Can I guess maybe the question would be this can you even trust? Evan funchess in your lineup anymore. It's tough. I mean, some of this was of course, Darius slay covered. Some of it frankly, like God just made some bad drops huge drops. Brutal. Brutal. Had a touchdown should've caught early. Yeah. I mean, just he was brutal. And so camp suddenly said, you know, who can catch DJ more right EJ more can catch. Let me throw it to him. Trust in your lineups. Trust is a big word field Yates and. No. I don't think I think he is a risky a shaky wide receiver three right, right? Yeah. That's what I think. He is is I think that when we see a player who unroll alone has the number one receiver job, and I'm actually reminded of this Carolina panther and a former Carolina Panthers. We'd say to ourselves like he's the number one wide receiver in an often. But the reality is sometimes being that everyone wide receiver an offense doesn't mean that you're necessarily fantasy trustworthy. We've seen it out with Devin funchess we've seen it now with Kelvin Benjamin in buffalo. We saw it with any Cowboys wide receiver that was there prior to the Amari Cooper traits. So just being a number one wide receiver does not mean, you could be trusted DJ more though might have a chance to peak some people's interest seven for one fifty seven as I mentioned Daniel note that much of the yard came on a weird play where he probably should have been tackled early should have been tax eighty yards a cornerback that I has never been on roster before I have no idea who he actually was. And he misses a tackle DJ. More goes eighty two yards. Southfield gets caught from behind by dairy. Sleigh. And by the way on that. Same drive Panthers could not get in the end zone, and then Graham Gano missed a field goal from like this here except for except for I know. I know, Tracy. And that didn't go. Well. Yeah, go. No anyway. Yeah. Secret, squirrel. Feels like that that that corner that had never been in your team before maybe maybe should practiced outside in the snow more. Maybe that was probably the game. They just want the game. But DJ more. We'll be on the waiver wire column this week. I think the issue with more is still like, so he's exciting. And he's talented. I think that we have realized that we've seen some of these flash talented wide receivers where we just want to see it a little bit more consistently before we advocate for them. As like, yes, I'm I'm starting you confidently like you could still start DJ more because he's got upside. And this is a very good offense. But. You know, I imagine going into this week. I will be very surprised if Devon punches not the highest ranked Panthers wetter. I think he's still is because you've still got Curtis Samuel there. You've still got Greg Olsen there. You've still got Chris McCaffrey so many weapons in the passing game. And this was this ended up being a DJ more game. But to your point a lot of it came on one big play and he catches the other touchdown as well. But you know, we saw like he had that big game. And then everyone thought he was gonna explode against Tampa Bay. And he didn't it became a courtesy mule game in so credit to the Panthers and Ron Rivera and the entire staff and north and the and the entire staff over there because they've gotten the most out of everyone, and they're finding different ways to get everyone involved. But for our purposes here in fantasy football world, it is hard to know sort of who to trust on a given basis with the exception of a few obvious ones. And so d j more like in terms of rookie wide receivers. Like, I'd prefer trick on Smith for the rest of the season than DJ more. Yeah, I'm with you as well as much as I j more just complaining late. Yeah. Because I think there's less competition for targets, you know? So anyway. DJ more, obviously, very talented player. And listen helped me beat Daniel like to point that out carry on Johnson. But yeah, help the lions beat the Panthers yesterday. But he's no interest. He left that game. And that really bums me out. I know he left late in the third quarter. He saw I'm going eventually into the locker after they looked at him on the sideline. Look like, a lefty issue, and we're just waiting for an update on his status, but knowing that they play on Thursday when player goes out, and they're ruled out immediately for that. They're not gonna return you never like to see that. So I would think it would be tough for him to potentially return by Thursday, incredibly difficult waiver wire considerations for me here. The Riddick probably could be on the waiver wire column, even when kerryon Johnson is playing because of his pass catching adamant he had been on the deeper Lee considerations. But the aerobic has one carry of like the last three games 'cause he returned from an injury. But so somebody has to step up in this lions backfield. I think I think. Think the I look goes to legare blunt Daniel, I think he looks. So, unfortunately, he let me ask you let me do a little trivia you were in you were like, Matthew. I don't know if you've heard this. Luxair blunt has twenty one rushing attempts over the last four games. Okay. Yep. How many rushing yards? Do you think he has on twenty one rushing at Thames? Twenty three. You are feeling quite generous this week twenty thirteen rushing yards on twenty one in ten attempts. Let's not good. Is that not good? That sounds bad. I math was ever my struggling. So on average is falling backwards. So okay. So yes, not matter that he had this kind of stats because usually at least some of those positive gains were into the end zone. Right. But now they're not even that he averaged five inches of Kerry yesterday. Seven carries for one yard, Matthew. I think you could live inches a Kerry just five inches. Good. Next. We'll be along here. I'm asking you a football questions to find you asking you question here. I will say this lagoon. I don't think it is that I don't think it is all answer the question for us to find you. I don't think five inches is good at all. He looked very bad on Sunday. When he he loved slow. He looked like he couldn't decide which whole he wanted to run through at once. He hit the offense of line. I would rather see Zack zender out there than continue to see la- gear blunt. I think he will see some Zach center, obviously, assuming carry on can't go on on thanksgiving. But to add one, wouldn't you what you think that legare Blunkett's first crack at it? I would think right. I I don't know. I think I think it's I think they end up going more pass heavy proverbially. I think I would prefer to add the Riddick renew. I agree that I'm telling who has the best thing. Harry the football. I think it's like gear plant, right? Yes. I would think I would think it would be legare blend in terms of carrying the football. But I think you'd probably see some some THEO Riddick. I think you'd see. Some sack center as well. Yeah. And not want. Like, you're defensive just held delve and cook checks. Anyway, he's gonna Stafford's gonna throw a fickle times. All right. He's going to try like Thursday game will preview it plenty more this week and talk about the waiver wire ads. Tomorrow, Cabot I will I will say I just theoretic who's out there in a tunnel leagues who got seven targets in this one. I mean it just again. And you'd think that match with the bears and Marvin Jones we may not see Marvin Jones on Thursdays to find anything. It's pretty soon to expect him to come back after Mississippi hurt lasting was going for a second opinion. Yeah. So so I mean, it's like they've got Kenny golladay and like, that's it. So I mean like, I think you see eight tonne especially against the bears. A ton of check downs at the Riddick. All right. Let's get to the Cowboys a twenty two thousand nine win over the falcons. Impressive win on the road Brett Maher because they will. Giggle as time expired tell you what that was a a widely criticised move this off season, cutting Dane Bailey in favor of Brett Maher. It's paid off smart move by the Cowboys, given the performance of both players Zeke went crazy. The question though, was hey is Dak Prescott like in a really good spot because the falcons had been atrocious since week one the end result was fourteen point eight fantasy points. I gotta tell you though, two hundred and eight passing yards zero touchdowns. Five rushing yards saved by a rushing. Touchdown math a year less discouraged than the numbers might suggest think about this falcons defense who you know. You know, I have to be honest with you. Right. I mean, so the the falcons to me, I think are actually you look at the season numbers, and they're brutal. Right. And they've been they've been so bad. But then you look at look, you know, after that before Dallas played Cleveland the week before shutdown the Redskins, which maybe not the toughest thing weeks one through six they were allowing thirty two points per game. Okay. Yep. That was second worst in the NFL. Right. But since week seven they're allowing just twenty one points per game twelve best in the NFL. Some of that again is is scheduled. Right. So since week seven they played the giants that have by the played the Redskins. They put the the Browns they played the Cowboys. So they played like some low octane offenses. Right. So I think the schedule certainly helps that someone, but I also think there is a tendency in NFL two we expect our our defense to be this thing. Right. And then we lose a bunch of guys. So now we have to adjust and how do we how do we game plan for an opponent without this guy or that guy or that guy, and it's a learning curve? But I think Dan Quayle. Win who people I think sometimes people forget is a defensive coach. That's you know, the side of the ball he came from. And so it's taken a while. And I think the falcons are playing better defense. I'm not saying I'm not saying that the monsters the midway or anything like that. But I don't think they're the joke. They were earlier in the season field. And so I'm not as discourage as you might be. I still think doc is a viable streamer going forward. I still think Amari Cooper, Marzeih instrument match at Venice stream matchup dependence dream, or borderline QB one has the chance I think down the stretch here. In Amari Cooper, is still kind of a borderline wide receiver to based on his target share and everything like that. I disappointing game. No question about it. But I'm not ready to completely bail on the Cowboys as viable pieces and fantasy. Holy jones. Touchdown in three straight games. That part is awesome. He's believable as you pointed out on Twitter. All he doesn't score touchdowns previously. I thought that was a very good tweet. Actually that was a very good tweet. Matt Ryan just thirteen point seven fantasy points nearly three hundred passing yards though yesterday. He's very good. Just wasn't the touchdown day that they expected or hoped for out of Atlanta. I think the question maybe this though is and by the way about Matt Bryant seventeen fantasy points from a little Matt Bryant. Maybe we're talking about everybody your little something now. Yeah. You know, what I think is needs your support. Oh, he is my Jerry. He's always the first and always he's the I always if you call everybody baby it stops being important to the on my house that let me be clear about that. You know, who's not my baby. I mean, that's just it's not mean, it's true. I'm just being you're right. If it's true not. That's not my little secret, squirrel. You're definitely not that. You're just you're a guy beat in fantasy this week. Is who you are. Right. You're just the most recent and run of them. Are there was a Ron because I thought you had lost five games before this. I don't think there was a run. It's interesting. Thank god. I got to play you wanna nineteen points against a congratulations. It'd be no one in nineteen. Yes. Keep lucky Brian about that. All I know is is you you made massive trades. You traded for Mike Lavigne's you picked up four quarterbacks you had all sorts of you did every that you sent out a league wide taxed to everyone in the league except for me. But of course, people report back to me tick, I'm not gonna thank you. I will trade all these guys that I have on by next week. Just I have to beat Matthew. It's the only thing I care about is. I have to be Matthew. When did you be Matthew? You did not be Matthew lost Matthew with me us. Why lost a math you? Go ahead. Just say it's go ahead. I said say I lost Matthew. I follow Matthew Berra's advice. And I lost a chance to flip. I mean, how can you blame him for that? For the falcons. A lot of people say, my advice, isn't work. I disagree. It got me. A w w that's right for the falcons. Disappointing days from HAMAs new Smith Calvin Ridley right now, the only I can I do not want you back Dido Smith. Honestly, I can't remember that part. You must have for weird as that the whole miss remembering thing. Four is now the gap between Edo Smith and Tevin Coleman by our board. Bet you need we need. I don't know sixty. It's sixty come on base here. I need a couple of cheapo touchdowns here. Kevin Ridley by the way under fifty receiving yards and six of seven games since that blow up game against the saints. So you know, bears. Hey, he's not he's not getting the targets. We talked about this last week as well. He's just he's just not getting the targets here bears are now seven and three. They look legit. Let's get to the Vikings of twenty five twenty massive massive day for Stefan thirteen for one twenty six on eighteen targets Adam feeling quote, unquote, disappoints when he has fifteen point six point seven sixty six yards and action point conversion these were. So I mean if ever there was junk Timea like, yeah. Tell the story in this game this test until this is nothing to happen before the second half. Oh, did Alvin cook. Just got nothing going at all yesterday for the Vikings. He was fumbled nine for twelve. It was a tough day at the office for delving cuckoo needed. Just forty two points from the win in the war room league game. I came just. Two. Season continues to be one to forget you. Gotta figure though like much better days or head for Dowding. Cook starting next week against the Packers football who are probably going to be without their best defensive lineman in Mike Daniels for the bears. This is a good story here. It's an underwhelming day offensively for everybody. No one scored more than fourteen point nine points here. And what was weird was remember last week talked about how about how like Tariq Cohen played nearly the same number of snaps from week four of week to week ten as Jordan Howard. Well, then Jordan Howard was the beast last night at eighteen carries for sixty three yards to recall and had just twenty seven yards on seven rushing attempts. Like, maybe Jordan Howard lives like that. I don't know. Like, it's still like as far as the results, you get the, you know, no touchdowns. I six points for coming six point seven point five. I think it I think it's somewhat game plan in matchup dependent terms of sort of. It's both game flow and game and matchup dependent like sort of how matinee GI wants to attack. Whatever defense he's seeing. And honestly. I mean, listen, they're seven and three. And I think one of the reasons why is that their offense. It's sorta looks different week to week. I mean, there's obviously a lot of underlying principles. But like, hey, this is an Allen Robinson game. Hey, we're going to take the middle field with trae Burton. Hey, this is going to be three Cohen game. Hey, we're pounding the middle. You know, we're just pounding it up the middle of Jordan Howard. They're doing different things, and they're mixing it up and credit to Matt Nagy and his staff because to your point. I mean, they're seven and three and look every bit the part of a legit playoff team. But that in terms of four our jobs projecting things for fantasy especially this backfield becomes tougher a couple of things here. First of all they have a quarterback who runs a football every single plays that are gone away. They've got to earn backsitting carry the football. They got a lot of weapons. I mean, very good player. He has yesterday. That's appointing. I'm just not sure what to tell you here though. Like, it is a it's a it's a team that I think has more believers now than it did any point during the season, but for fantasy football it's going to be difficult to size up we tweak quick break for us. We're coming right back to discuss. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Matthew, Washington Redskins. Over eleven years Subaru in its retailers will have donated over one hundred and forty million dollars to charities like the ASPCA make a wish meals on wheels. And the national park foundation not to mention provided support to over one thousand one hundred and seventy hometown charities and with your help we can share even more love right now. When you get a new Subaru during the Subaru should love event, Subaru will donate two hundred and fifty dollars to the charity of your choice when we share love we all win. Now quick note from our ZipRecruiter's smartest fan of the week. Hi, this is Rachel table. The ZipRecruiter smartest fan of the week. And I want to give a shout out to DJ swear injure and the rest of the Redskins defense because I'm wishing for more hail this holiday season. H T T are now back to the show. Well, done by Rachel. They're big fan of her Washington Redskins. Have that in common? Let's go to Texans. I hear they win twenty three to twenty one their seventh straight win. Deandre hopkins. Score touchdown. He's amazing. Lamar Miller gets you thirteen point eight points. He steady as well. But to Shawn Watson becoming a question, Mark. We had this conversation on fantasy football now yesterday. Like are we so sure the Shawn Watson needs to be a must start every single week. The answer is like I don't know under fifteen rushing yards and four of us pass five games has failed to account for mobile touchdowns in for the past six. Listen, no, more than twenty five attempts in five straight games. A lot of what fueled Sean Watson's. Historic run last year a couple of things right was his rushing, obviously. And also the fact their defense was horrific last year. I mean, people forget like just how beat up it was it was one of the worst defenses in the NFL last year, statistically speaking because they were so beat up. And so the Shawn Watson got into all these shootouts. Well, now, they're all healthy. They got JJ walked back and cloudy. I mean like it's a good defense field. It is a good defense. Matthew. There are some signs now that I think are a bit alarming though for Shawn Watson because he's actually more efficient in terms of completion percentage. And it's about the same number of yards per attempt as it was last year. But big plays were so much more regular less season. And maybe that was the will fuller affect maybe it was just some things that bounced his way last year, they're announcing his way this year, but lower volume and your defense is so good as you pointed out math that he may not need to throw five touchdowns or heck even three touchdowns given game for the Texans to wins got eighteen touchdowns this season last year out injured injured injury cut short. He had nine thousand. So more games. Played fewer passing touchdowns. It's interesting though, the schedule gets a little bit better. Although it's it's a bit up and down three straight home gate home, which is nice, which is nice. But it's the titans. It's the Browns. It's the colts. And so you feel good about starting at home against the Browns. But you know. Titans. Certainly don't feel like that's a great match up of the probably helped if Gabbard is starting. So maybe some short field positions for to Shawn Watson and the colts the colts have been better defensively. But not, you know, not they've the ravens we'll get into. Yeah. So I think it'd be hit or miss my guess is like depending on the week. He's going to be somewhere in that eight to twelve range, which is so exact not because you know, the possibility of the shown Watson throwing five touchdowns exists more. So than it does with other quarterbacks who will be complicated comparably ranked to various times at one target yesterday and zero catches like what gives their man like they traded a pick for him. They gave him three targets in the first quarter. Three catches in the first quarter his first week scripted. He had two weeks off. They had a buy week that doesn't add up right there. It's weird. It's it's really weird. And you have to figure that there's there's more of a connection here between the Shawn Watson and KiKi Cutie who gets nine targets in his return from injury five for seventy seven there, and they were doing. Different things with Cutie. Like, it's not one of those things where he was covered. Well, obviously, I watch this game closely and like they just didn't even it didn't look like he was even part of the game plan. Yep. He wasn't the first or second read on a lot of throws like just wasn't there. Just wasn't there. And I don't know it's interesting because you know, Dan, Ghazi Ana was reporting from this game on penetrable now. And he talked about the fact that when talking with some some members of the Texan staff that talked about how Cutie was faster than they thought the they thought coming out of college or or when they drafted him that they that he could be like their version of Julian Edelman just a slot receiver who could move the chains. And then as they've started to get him to know more like this kid is fast. So Dan actually talked about this on the show Sunday morning about how they want to do more with KiKi Cutie that they think there's a lot more to his game than initially. They thought if Seventy-seven yesterday not bad I mean, right? And but you know, I mean also again the nine targets. Especially with Josh Norman deandre Hopkins for much of the game. So I think they sort of exploited where they thought they could. But when you hear them talking about talking up, KiKi Cutie and all the different things you want to do with him. It makes you think like various Thomas might just be a guy, and I can't imagine in a standard ten team league. Starting him. Just weird that Damaris Tom is like they knew this about Cutie before they made the trade for marry his Thomas just sort of confusing. Let's get to wash it gives you have to figure its depth. Could they lost will fuller at home was available? But it's a lot expensive death-ray draft picking a lot of money being paid, you know. Yeah. For whatever it's worth, let's get to the Washington Redskins. But you agreed. Just forget the NFL for a second just fantasy wise like would either of you? I mean, don't you think Thomas has welcomed down? So we'll see when was that. When would you feel comfortable starting to marry his Thomas next not until after I see that? He's more part of the game plan right now. Not now. Yeah. I mean like the and the. Probably going to have to see it. Putting up that much volume in his first game back. That's a confidence builder in him. And we just we just said about to Shawn Watson in terms of his volume hasn't needed to be there. So we say limited volume here for Shawn Watson in the passing game. And you've got you know, Hopkins is going to get his the highest target share in the NFL and Cutie starting to get more and more how much leftover for various Thomas heart aches this morning for Alex Smith's to find you. I mean, it was an injury that we don't like to diagnose things on the moment. But you knew it was really bad the moment that you know. And again, it's one of these lower leg, fractures, you see the the foot basically going the wrong direction. It's a pretty good indicator that you have a severe injury fracture to be in fibula, the two bones in your lower leg went for surgery right away. So Alex Smith who's been a favourite forty Niner fans still really fond of Alex Smith, and by all accounts, just to a great leader in his way with the team that he was very popular with his new team in Washington. And you just you feel badly for him at his veteran Asia have to go through a significant injury like this. So oh, you mean you saw both benches clear. I mean like it wasn't just all the Redskins players came over, you know, bunch of Texans as well. That's the kind of respect he has. He saw Patrick Mahomes, his former teammate tweet Adam as well. And so it's just it's devastating and very to your points to find you very very popular in Washington. And I mean, this is potentially a franchise altering injury. I you know, I mean I wore a fantasy football podcast because normal Redskins fan, but Alex Smith to your points to find that at his age given the severity of his injury. I don't know that Alex Smith comes back from this. I'm sure he'll say all the right things, and I'm certainly hope just as a human being, but that's a that's a bad injury. And so if he doesn't come back, I mean, they're on the hook for a lot of money to Alex Smith. And so the Redskins are doing well this year, they're not going to have. They're not going to have a draft pick the only quarterback currently on the roster is Colt McCoy, and we'll talk about. Him in a second. But this is they let they let Kirk cousins go to rehash all that. But you know, I thought they kind of all the cousins thing all in on Alex Smith. And so this is this is not just a crippling injury Alex Smith, but potentially one for the Redskins franchise as well. It will be interesting list of who they have they're bringing in for workouts. Not exactly, you know, Rolodex say, I will say this. I will say this co McCoy can play football. Like, I said, listen the war, right? Right. Right. Fantasy said this in the said this in the warm, and we're all watching football. We saw that on the conversation is like who's their backup people asking I said, it's called McCoy. And I said that's not actually that much of a downgrade like they like Colt McCoy quite a bit in Washington. He's been Jay Gruden system. The whole time he's been there for five years. And so he runs a system. Well, honestly, I think some people felt like you know, when he came in. There was a bit of a spark actually he's more familiar with Gruden system than Alex Smith is. And I think I think the feeling is that if Colt McCoy had more arm strength. He'd be a starter in the NFL. I don't think that given the offense that the Redskins have been running which is or just the sort of the kind of team they run which is we want to run the ball. We wanna play good defense. We're gonna use tress way to to punt ourselves into great field position. Tress way is having an unbelievable year. We never talk about punchers on the show. But it just want to give a shout out because Tressler is having an on believable year. And so I think Colt McCoy concert do that, you know, again and. I do think this is like you weren't really starting any pass catchers in Washington as well. I will say field. I believe this is a little bit of a boon to the extent that anything like this can be for Jordan reads fantasy value interesting. Yeah. In his career, and it's all small sample size. But his career. He's caught eighty percent of his targets from coal McCoy all the Redskins. Sixty eight percent his target share with McCoy is twenty one percent. I think he averaged double digit fantasy points with McCoy's starter. I think it's been like only like four games. So it's a small sample size, and it was a few years ago. But again, he's been in the system for a long time. He's not a guy with a big arm. He's going to be he's more of a dinkum dunker. So when you think about guys that can win matchups in close. That's Jordan Reed. You know, a guy that can get open. And so there's a familiar either. I do think there's a small bump here for Josh Jordan Reed. I should see with Cole McCoy honor center. His best game of the season yesterday by seven Kathleen eleven targets seventy one yard and a touchdown. So and the touchdown did come with McCoy under center in a lot of that came with. Came quickly with McRae. Anderson. They play of course, a critical game all their games, you're going on this. Yeah. Division. So they continue on where McCoy as Thursday right through the second thanksgiving Gandhi or at Dallas time to prepare. No, not at all. And literally the he's the only quarterback like they're having in like, Mark Sanchez and EJ manual and a bunch of guys and they're like whoever the baby needs to be there. Oh, TJ Yates cousin TJ thanksgiving. We'll we'll give him a pass. Yeah. So I mean, it was interesting because whoever's the backup to cope McCoy on Thursday, we'll have been with the team for two days believable. I mean, it's brutal awful the raiders get their second win of the season. Twenty three to twenty one is the final over the cardinals and raiders are a tough tough team to watch. And they have all these injuries. Now, Brandon LA fell has touched down. And then he gets hurt. Honestly. So here's what we got into that. He it's an achilles injury, by the way for brain in the fell the number one wide receiver for the raiders at the end of that game. Yesterday was Marcel eightman yourself who is this guy seventh-round? This year for them. Elevated off the practice squad on Saturday as Peru. Hitters Mata, Adam Schefter. You know adamant I always do our fantasy longshots morning and Adam schefters fantasy longshot was Marcel eight men on Sunday morning on Sunday. NFL countdown points. Yeah. We do a whatever we do a joint broadcast between fantasy will now and down where we do a little bit of a fantasy segment that airs on both showed simultaneously, and so many self and Adam and mort do a fantasy longshots and yesterday Adams was Marcel eight minutes, so nice call there by shefty a guy that most people I don't think had heard of until yesterday the raiders play next week who they play they play the Charleston where the ravens extra that. We'll see if Doug Martin. We'll we'll get more information on Martin probably today. I will say this yet Michael gal kin who writes for the Las Vegas review journal who used to cover the chargers as a great job. Yes. He's right. Beat reporter road. Tag. Martin's saying that he was to undergo further evaluation Monday today after tweaking his ankle in the quote from Martin was I thought it was going to be one of those tweak it and just run on it and be back. Good again. But it just kept lingering Martin out the second half without any formal announcement that I could see from the raiders. So I think this be interesting because teams are supposed to tell you guys injured, but he didn't play the second half. So we thought there was something going on turns out. It's an ankle issue. That is going to be further evaluated. All righty, Andre Washington. Twelve carries yesterday tailing Rashard who finally crossed the fifty percent roster percentage to make him ineligible for the waiver wire com also handled ten carries the cardinals. It's going to be a tough twenty eight team. But I like the future of this offense with David Johnson Christian Kirk and Josh Rosen under center, I I understand it later. Fitzgerald is also an awesome player. But I don't think we all believe it'd be there for five more seasons. Kirkman minutes. Superb catch by the way, really really nice. I mean kids got potential continues work for David Johnson twenty-five Russia's one hundred and thirty seven yards. He had one catch yesterday fit skits. Save two catches twenty three yards but two touchdown. So that works it's better with Byron left, which I don't think that all the ales have been cured for Larry FitzGerald. But it's better for him. And David Johnson. I think remains locked in as an Rb one for this roster. And this is want to say about Christian, Kirk earlier FitzGerald, and these guys with the trade deadline the ESPN fantasy trade deadline is Wednesday at noon. Yeah. And so I do think these guys are all to varying degrees trade targets because you think about Larry FitzGerald for a second look at their upcoming schedule at the chargers this week. They struggle against us thought. Right. So then at Green Bay Detroit at Atlanta home to the Rams like it's a nice schedule there. And even though we said, you know, listen to the falcons of played better defense, and they'll they'll be even healthier in week fifteen when they play. I think this is a nice little schedule for when you think about these teams, and like none of them really defend the run that. Well, so David Johnson, and none of them. Really depend the slot that well, so I think clarify Gerald as well and Christian Kirk is just out there in a bunch of leagues. Mike Evans, and the buccaneers remain one of the most uniquely entertaining teams. They lose nice. That was well done field Yates thirty five was the final score yesterday to the giants. And I wanted to start with Mike Evans, by the way, that should be my wife, I read a biography that should be my title, unique entertaining uniquely entertaining by how books do you have to write about yourself a couple? I think kids through college. Okay. My hustle. The reason why mentioned my we've got a ton of questions from people saying, hey, are you gonna count his fumble recovery? Touchdown weird. Yes. You are. We have already Mike has thirty fantasy points after six catches one hundred and twenty yards a touchdown. Plus a fumble recovery for a touchdown. But I mean, how can you so ridiculous? Secret, squirrel got that. And yet still fell short point out that guy fell on the ball in the end zone. Like, the the most B S T at touchdown of all time fell short. I don't know. How you could. That has to be karma. I have to feel it's karma. I don't know how you could possibly trust a Buchan nears quarterback. As James Winston was inserted for Ryan Fitzpatrick at halftime. Yeah. Yesterday, or maybe it was some point in the third quarter. Fitzpatrick throws three interceptions. Jameis Winston comes in. Heck if you started James Windsor by accident and actually worked out for you fifteen point six fantasy points two touchdowns hundred ninety nine passing yards. Plus a pick for him. Put him on the way from where I call. For a week. Like if you're going to start a bucket nears quarterback it has to be done almost weeks. Eight a week at a time because if you Turk cutters right like that's how they operate right now. And whoever's the starting quarterback this weeks to find a we don't know if they'll have their best tight end because OJ Howard banged up. Now. One of the few fantasy can bright spots consistently for buck nears injured in the fourth quarter and reported right away as doubtful to return never good sign. So it sounds like it's an ankle injury. And we're going to have to sit tight and wait for what they update us with this week. Hey, if you went with manning that week eleven streaming quarterback option it worked out in your favor. Seventeen point one points here. He was awesome. Teen Francisco then Tampa Bay before we move on very quickly just wanna mention Peyton Barbara very quietly averaging over four point six yards per carry over the last four another nice game. Here thought he ran hard against the Redskins in a tough Redskins defense. Here is available, and I don't know a lot about forty percent of leagues. And so. Not enough to make your way more calm. But yeah, I just think again and playing the forty Niners like just think like potentially useful flex. It was a guy that got stronger as the year went on last year finish strong down the stretch. So just want to point that out that, you know, all of a sudden paint Barbara very quietly starting to play some good football here. Manning the subject of last week's detail by Peyton Manning on ESPN, plus which was very good seventeen or eighteen hundred company man yards and two touchdowns. Take one Barkley thirty five point two fantasy points Odal Beckham junior. He found the end zone again yesterday. This question posed like. Evan Ingram at eight point six fantasy points yesterday like tight and so thin. You may not have a choice drop them. Keep them where we had on Evan Ingram here and the standard ten team league. He's absolutely drop -able like the volume isn't there? Like, right. If if he couldn't do it against Tampa Bay. Yeah. If he couldn't do it against the forty Niners. Like when is he ever going to do it? I mean, and they've had opportunities like so you look at it. You're like eight points. Okay. That's not bad. It was it was basically one big play. It was one fan for yard catch you. And then I guess. Hip against the forty Niners. Actually, it look he could have had an even bigger game. Like he ran against the forty Niners. He ran a same route that he had a step, and if Eli hits him in stride that's six and that's like a twelve point play. So they'll take a couple of shots. But you just think about Barclay and Beckham, and there's just there's just not enough kind of love to go around especially given the inefficient play of Eli these days. So it's a an redraft league at ten team redraft league. No, I can't imagine who you drop in him for them. I mean, that's my question because the tidal wave lawyers, so it's hard to say. Yeah. For someone specifically it's maybe if you'd been using him as your flex option 'cause you already had gronk or soccer, and Johnny Smith is he's somebody that you like prefer everything we could play name game. We could do it tomorrow. If you want for titans Rosa season. But like so I've ever been given a league it's a sixteen team league. So I'm sort of stuck with them. But like I have him in Doyle like if that were an attend team league. I would drop him and just real I would drop him for helping another position and. Just roll with Doyle. Whereas before you might say like, I can't drop. Evan ingram. He's ingram. And so I think I think all we're saying is is that we don't think he is somebody that must be rostered at attend team. Right fantasy focus football podcast presented by ZipRecruiter. Our good friends and picking a kicker in the second round fantasy or real life. Not smart. But you know, what else is smart jobsites, it overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes using ZipRecruiter to help. You find qualified candidates for your business that is smart and like, I'm like other job sites. Ziprecruiter is a wait for candidates to find. You ZipRecruiter finds them for you like I find a waiver wire fines each week for you. Ziprecruiter's powerful matching technology scans thousands of resumes identifies people with the right skills education and experience for your job. And then actively invites them to apply. See get qualified candidates fast like four three forty fast. 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And you don't wanna bring not cool Keith because they're going to be like this Doug over here. Yeah. He's not cool. Not cool. You don't wanna secret squirrel because he would like a yo he would just take like the although national right, stuffing all the roles. Yeah. Yeah. Got on the Turkey or something beard beard hair. And we brought you they would be like, oh, that's so sweet. You brought them in from the senior center. It was such a good person. Exactly do something. They're the saints continue to rule they are an absolute beast right now. They're now nine and one after a forty eight to seven dismantling the Philadelphia Eagles. There is one glimmer of hope yesterday. One for the Philadelphia Eagles. His name is Josh Adams seven fifty three and a touchdown. Three catches nineteen yards. Six targets. I did not think I'll be the first thing. I did not think the eagles would turn this into a non remedy that fast to be on bid. Nobody here has talked by Josh Adams has stop. I think Daniel, right? I did mention I really like, Josh Adams great point. Stop it. There is videotape and there's audiotape proof Josh Adams from a couple of weeks ago. Honestly, so yeah, you and I had a debate about this. He played more than twice as many as naps yesterday than any other eagles running back and finished a step pile. Yeah. Fans. Well, listen. I mean, you guys I had him at twenty five running. We had this debate. During the rankings thing, I had him at twenty five and you got why do you have him so high and I said, I think he gets into the end zone in this one. He did. In fact, the end zone. Yeah. That worked out so Josh Adams is a legitimate waiver. Art, big if he might be I think there's a case for him as a number one waiver wire picker and the reason against Lamar Jackson number one is twofold, right like one is much logic. As there is behind starting. Lamar Jackson going forward. Football coaches are stubborn and sometimes do weird things like Lamar Jackson thing could be over as soon as this week. I'm not saying it will be, but it could be and there's more ball, and there's more needed running back than there is a quarterback. Sure. I get all that you have exactly sized. That up. So for the saints. The one story here that's out of the ordinary because everything's great otherwise, right? Like drew Brees. Mark ingram. Before we move Philadelphia. I think just we think there's just one of those games. Right. We're not worried about like listen the offense. Definitely looks a little bit out of think. And this is this is a weapon, but my expectation is is that you know, when it's an algebra Jeffrey Zakar, he'll be just fine especially given next week at home against the giant with you on that. But for the saints the revelation yesterday was Trey on Smith who finally on people, you know, like, hey, he had zero targets last week's fantasy football. Now. The question posed me like, yeah. Are you super trustworthy of trick on Smith? And it's like, I don't know how you're supposed to be your targets last week. But he he had he had played almost all the snaps. He had run a route on almost all them. And so they. Until the depths of though, I understand. Yeah. I had him ranked like it was like it's like, hey. But like we discussed I think I was a little bit more bullish than you. But we were. Yeah. There was certainly a question about the fact that he wasn't getting nearly the targets that you would hope, but we've always liked his talent. And we've always certainly liked his role in this offense as the number two wide receiver, and what we're hopeful for by the way, is we hope that this is a sign of things to come because he's had productive games before not as much as yesterday. But we hope the Saint say, you know, something we got to get this guy weekly targets which may be easier said than done because they have so many mouths to feed as it is options. It's just trick. Waspish should be added in all leaks. The Broncos get a very surprising win yesterday. Twenty three twenty two over the chargers. Chargers that turned that corner. Maybe not so much. Philip Lindsay is just a tremendous seventy nine yards two touchdowns. And then you watch him see points. There's a couple of plays that he made where he's like I'm getting the. Down you like sober down. Just there is no to the I tests there is no question who is running back. They're one of the best stories in the NFL this year the undrafted rookie Colorado making his way onto the local team the Broncos and just absolutely very streaming back from the injury. And does you know, it's one. Yeah. Scores down. So yeah. Lindsay outs. Naps Freeman twenty nine hundred twelve. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's right. Yeah. That's about how it will shake out going forward. Portland. Sunday gets three for seventy eight yesterday. Like, I don't want to tell you that. I'm disappointed, right? Like a lot of came on that very final set them up for a game winning field goal. So like we thought he was like a top thirty shop. She to why do we? I mean, he's he's he's deep play dependent. Listen he was going against the chargers team. That's good against the deep pass. He was shadowed by case Hayward and a decent amount this game. So who's you know, very good corner. I think better days are ahead for Portland. Sudden chargers pretty Chuck, and I was gonna say I've communities talking about Emmanuel Sanders for a second because it whatever. Well because. Just as somebody who has mental Sanders on few rosters. This has been a disturbing trend that the last couple of weeks is been so deficient as far as fantasy points when he looked like he was there go-to guy, and then they removed to marry his Thomas from the equation. And you think clearly Sanders going to be the featured receiver in this and just disappointing outing yet, again, what do you do with Emmanuel Sanders think you probably have to keep plugging along rolling out six on six targets is not great there. But remember like maybe a month or so people are like why are you not ranking Emmanuel Sanders top five wide receiver. When at that time. He was a tough I've wide receiver by points. Just the target share wasn't as significant as a guy like the Hopkins, or even you know, other Mike Evans is that a couple of up and down weeks in the this season. So Emmanuel Sanders still going to be a top twenty or so play but a little bit disappointing yesterday, the charges were disappointing in real football. Because the fact that they lost but fantasy wise it's the same cast of characters Keenan Allen. Second touchdown. Melvin gordon. Twenty one point six points. Philip Everson for four hundred and one yards two touchdowns. Too. Bad picks yesterday bad. That's Philip rivers. Everyone has one of those. Antonio gates five eighty and a touchdown nothing to say about that. Like, I don't know that anybody's rushing to the waiver wire and grabbing Tonio gates, but it was just cool to see old guys rules for him sort of paint on. I agree right guys rule last name. Pittsburgh Steelers win twenty two six I believe here. Heroics from Ben Rothlisberger Antonio Brown. It was like three quarters of complete disaster offense for the most part. And then together, it was the weirdest thing. I will say this one was sort of annoying game for this one reason. Yeah, it's entirely just for me. But like so my love hate list yet. Right. I do it by projections. So I basically I look at these projections, and I pick who I think will be higher or lower. And I get my analysis for it. And so I had been under I had been under his projection, and I was looking very smart for much of this game. Every then Tonio like there were some hand Tonio Brown that we're freaking out. Ju and right, and nobody instill James Connor. I got a bunch of James Caan angry Jane's, Connor people. And I'm like, oh, no one's allowed to complain. If you have James Connor on your team, stop it. You were playing with house money, and you have been. You where you are. Yeah. No one's allowed to complain. If you have James Connor on your team. But. Anyway that last-second rushing touchdown by Ben put him over his projected points. So it was a loss for me if you will on the hitless so annoying because like game should have been over. But then the you know, the penalty just bad penalty and just hear the Jaguars worth your time and fantasy football Leonard fournette that's it ninety five with touchdown catches for forty six yards. Tell you what. Now, though team is interesting going if you were thinking that they might adjust the volume on him after the injury that caused him to miss much time. And we said don't worry because the volumes going to still come back to him. Don't worry because volumes can still come back to come back in a major way Russia's twenty eight carries or getting the most they're getting the most utility outta let them while they can just eight Russia's yesterday four Carlos Hyde. That's a tell you what that's a team that has been concerned right now five straight loss for the Jaguars. They gotta get their act together in a hurry. They're probably out of that division race. Leonard fournette though for fantasy purposes. The only one you can trust. All right. What do you got? I got a quick update. I'm pigskin. Pick them. We'll go through really quickly. This week was a really brutal week everybody. Everyone everyone. I saw a lot of red. When I checked it. I came in. I with five wreck answers. Oh five. Matthew field thirsty. Kyle and Stefan. You all had four. Correct answers whole Keith had three and. And so many of us have the same teams tonight. Where are we in tonight's? I took the chiefs YouTube both took the Rams took the chiefs. So be scared. All right. So we're split fifty fifty on that Matthew is up eighty two total for the year. I've got eighty same with not cool Keith with eighty fields got Seventy-six thirsty. Kyle seventy-five and to find your has seventy four. So everyone is right there in it. Every Thursday night game. Keep forgetting to put them in this. This. Has calling. Our only reason I got five because I took the lions on my birthday and all you haters took the Panthers. So you know, what everybody? I'm sorry. I had to beat you down. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to really crush you like a greasy now the best we are back on Tuesday. Recapping the game, we cannot wait for tonight. Oh, yeah. Rams going to be. Let you'll Palmer ready popcorn. What should you get ready to find you? From ABC. That trail mix waiver wire ads and the usual Tuesday show. We'll get a little bit more jam packed in there. Because of course, we have just three shows this week Wednesday were previewing games as best we can leading into the holiday weekend. Don't you soon? Download the fantasy life app do that in his free the alerts absolutely crush and check out the fantas show on ESPN. Plus letter today, I'm at Matthew berry, Tim aren't all forms of social media except the fantasy life where you can find me at Matthew berry. She used to find you be eighty-seven on the I g and as defining underscore ESPN on Twitter. He's at field Yates everywhere royalty fees out. Six. In case you did. You guys go ahead and give me for being on sportscenter for forty five seconds because I don't think. Because I don't think. You're terrible at cash tag impromptu. You'll stood fun. Berry. Daniel.

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Thanksgiving Hangover

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Thanksgiving Hangover

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Happy Monday to you, and yours. It is the concluding podcast where we twelve field Yates, Matthew, berry star Fanja bell back after a few day resp- right to go and joy, some time with family and loved ones and endure about seventy two our food coma. How was your thanksgiving holiday, Matthew better? Now that you use the word respite. I was wondering like because that feels like define your word to be perfectly honest with you feel potshot at Wesleyan right there. Yeah. A little bit bit more pro Princeton than a potshot at Wesleyan. I stay asleep. But yeah, I suppose if you wanna take it that way, that's fine. Just feels like I mean, Tariq, you're with me here. Right. I just feel like respite isn't something that you hear a lot in everyday conversation. I mean, you're like me, you're one of the people, right? I mean you and I are out there. We're not in some highfalutin tower. True. Yeah. Right. I would actually ask for a definition of ninety exactly could you give it definition for Trico. The idea was just like a few days away from our? Normal activity, which is what we did for two days on Thursday arrest bite is well respite respite I was was field. Pronouncing it wrong to might be two pronunciations. I've just say, maybe that's why you hadn't heard of it. I would say respite. But I don't know. Secret, squirrel is raising. I. Right and his hand. Yes. I just to know you said you wanted to know what respite means I don't know what high falutin mean, it means Matthey Princeton over here. She's high falutin field Yates, feel minister Yates, put it this way. Again, I turned to Torika you, and I are people you are not our men and women surveys on though. Listen robot. I don't wanna hear it from you. Listen because jury still you work with puppet right here to reconized like three can I walk the streets. We're of the people we're from the street from the mean streets of Indianapolis grand causation taxes. Yeah. Exactly. So you. You got right into a category with you know, three very happy to be in a category with me. Whatever makes math you feel great. All of that. And that is my favorite. See music from the national football. The interest in it was all good until she ruined it right there. Matthew little little slow. Gone a couple days. I apologize respite. And I did. And I couldn't find. You know, what you know, what high falutin means, right? No museum. Surprised by the word respect, whereas high falutin is so much more colloquial, right? Keith help me out here. The only one I know what I mean course, and she's certainly not that high falutin. I'm not losing editor his entire job is to know words, come on. Now. Let me put it this way. You'll hear highfalutin is not you that. Okay. I don't wanna be high felow take your high falutin, and you can put it in not highfalutin either star fine. You bell over here. Princeton she's high falutin. Yeah. We're the minister Yates him and his fiancee Chepe and Duke what's his middle name. Thanks Chepe in banks, Duke, right? That's high falutin those are high falutin names between fields to sounds like high falutin just means sleeveless like sixty percent of the time. Is that accurate? No, no. Basically, what highfalutin means no means pretentious means like, you know, oh knows turned up at the rest of the world. Owns multiple home has about thirty seven businesses. He runs as a makes more than our than I do the entire year. Yes. You can't wear the mom jeans and be high pollutant field. Come on now. Thank you, their dad jeans. Sorry, dad jeans. They're they're bad genes. Thankfully matthews. Lovely wife. Beth is actually helped them step is fashion game this year. Let's begin with our game. As does I gotta give credit and field Yates, my fashion spirit animal. So we have three games to recap from Thursday. Have a great thanksgiving. I know that Matthew got some time here locally. I know that defined got some time back on the west coast. I was able to go back home as well to Boston, which was a great great day thankful for all those things we have in our life that we would consider blessings. There are many of them thirty games. Very well said we begin Thursday at twelve thirty when Daniels lions got stuffed by the bears. Twenty three to sixteen was the final chase Daniel played. And I don't know that it's so much what chase. Daniel means for this offense to but when we might see Mitch Trubisky because we thought when we were taping the show on Wednesday. It was possible Daniel would play now it's a key might play again next week. He might I mean Trubisky has an AC sprain. I think it was just a question of how Soares's shoulder going to be and can he perform effectively, I would not be surprised if we see him, you know, return to practice this week. And then you see how he does. He has stiffness soreness can't throw then it's going to be chaste Daniel again or Matthew. So I think the question probably is this did the offense change with chase Daniel quarterback or is it just too much of a small sample size to decide for thirty seven passing attempts. But just watching that game, and it's difficult to watch football games. When you're also stuffing yourself with. Turkey and stuffing, mass right cetera and booze and started drinking early. You did rescues a plane that into anyway, you learn anything about this offense with chase. Dang, you think might be different or Sern -able from a Mitch Trubisky. I think both I think the answer you question is actually both like. Did the offense change under chase Daniel's? Mitch trubisky. Yes is too small sample size to Johnny conclusions. Yes, god. So I think I think it is both that felt like they didn't really take a lot of shots deep-felt. Like, it was a bunch of kind of short stuff. Here. Spread the ball around think which was which was interesting. Alan Robinson doesn't do much to thirty seven four targets. But that also you have to assume has something to do with the coverage by Darius slay and Chatto coverage there, so where they could sort of you know, sort of attack. There was a defensive touchdown in this game as well. You know, feel feels like the bears didn't really move the ball all that. Well, they just moved it better than Detroit. You're better. Eddie jackson. Touchdown for the bears. I'm with you here. I don't know that there is anything that. I thought to myself like, yeah. The offense looks a lot different other than the fact that Mitch Trubisky is a dazzling runner, and you're not gonna get any of that from chasing four Russia's for four yards. But in terms of how it impacted everybody else. I don't know that it was that dissimilar mean Trey Burton's head up and down season. Yeah. Female her was fine. Three per forty one Taylor. Gabriel got seven gadgets Ricco and got seven catches. But I mean, I think part of it was they couldn't get the run game go, and I think that's somewhat somewhat credit to the lions defense, which as as we talked about. I saw some people out there like talking about like, oh like Howard's gonna go off. And I'm like I tweeted this before the game as well. As like since snacks Harrison has come Detroit. They've been a pretty good run defense thirsty. What we were saying before in the pre Thursday six thirty go top six in both rushing yards allowed per game and yards per carry against since next got there. They were bottom three in both categories before snacks. Yeah. So I mean, and that was. I the numbers are slightly different. Obviously now after that game. But prior to the game. I also tweeted out numbers at set like they've been a really good run defense since knacks Harrison came over from the giants field, so and just the mobility of Trubisky. I think opens up a run game, you know, as well. So I think there was part of that their Trey Burton coulda had a much bigger game. Just an uncharacteristically bad game here made some drops here. You know, I'm encouraged by the seven targets. Yeah. I mean it hasn't been a great season. We had beggar aspirations for him. He has had a monster game nine for one twenty six and a touchdown previously. But up and down year. You just mentioned the bears running backs and Daniels the question the meaning like what do you do Jordan Howard? Well, couple realities here trade deadline has passed all these on ESPN buys or behind you. So it's not going to have to fill in for a player because of a by like you probably have to hold tight Jordan Howard. Here's the trick. It's been really difficult for us to say like this is a Jordan Howard game on paper because I'm not sure what? What would make it a Jordan our game in games against poor run defenses? We still seem to re Cohen make an impact in games against strong run defenses. We've still seen Jordan Howard run well in difficult player to figure out in theory next week should be Jordan Howard game on the road. At the giants. The near giants has been a poor run defense all season long. We saw Josh Adams on all over him on Sunday. But yeah, I don't I don't know that you he is a touchdown dependent flex correct. That's what he is on scoring for those that still play in that format. The lions surprisingly gear blunt kind of had a perfect Garrett blunt day nineteen Russia's eight yards and two touchdowns. He also caught a pass a twenty three point three fantasy points for blood. We thought oh, maybe this guy like it'd be it'd be great. If he can average four yards of Kerry. Meanwhile, he averaged over nearly five yard carry scored twice against the bears against the bears. Could good run defense against gets the Rams and really bad run defense neck. Week. So you buying this at all because I got to tell you. I still would rather have THEO Riddick. If I'm choosing a lion's running back to fill the void until carry on Johnson returns. What you're putting on is. And honestly, I probably would've up my expectation on legare blood a little bit. If when we do the done the show, we knew for fact, that Trubisky wasn't going to be there. Because I think that that kept the game a little bit closer than it would have been Mike speculation is against the Rams the Rams having two weeks prepare for that game. Not going to be nearly as close as it was on thanksgiving where they keep it close. I was surprised honestly at the amount of usage blunt. God, I did think you'd see some more Zach center in this game that we actually did. So. But yeah. To your point field. You think the Rams would blow them out? I mean, and THEO Riddick has a has that passing down role to himself, especially by the way, is we don't know Marvin Jones, we back define you. We don't. But there's been, you know, the lions, yes. Zero update zero practices. So last we heard he was getting checked out for a second opinion. And that's all we know. Disappointed day for Matthew Stafford that continues a disappointing season for him five point four fantasy points for Stafford with rather have the rest of the season la- geared blunt or Jordan Howard. Still think Jordan Howard because kerryon Johnson could return anytime. Now, I would agree with that. But that's sort of. I think that gives you a sense of both la- blunt and Howard a blunt little blondes his name from the he might play for the Lakers. Right la- blunt. I just hey, I think that gives you a idea of sort of the value the relative value of both of those running back there. So I assume legare blunt will make your way through our column, but he's not somebody that I'm rushing out to try to get the he calm. Yeah. I mean, it's this is his best game of the year. Yep. Agreed on that the Redskins thirty one to twenty three to the Cowboys in the afternoon game for Thanksgiving Day slate Colt McCoy played and he played and knock rate three interceptions yesterday Thursday. I should say thirty thirty eight passing attempts to passing touchdowns sort of the same question. Applies Mr. Bisky he was out Alex, obviously, not going to return. Yeah. Oh, no. I was discussing. I think cool MC. Mcquaid was also a disadvantage because they had not one practice corrections did only walk throughs, and so here's a kid stepping into a role with zero real practices. So you're really not getting the same looks with your receivers all of that. So I'll be into see now that he has more time to see what it looks like this week because it's not like there's a question Mark for him. Right. He knows he's going to be the starting quarterback. So it's not like you've got a guy potentially coming back. I mean, and I'm glad you brought that up because you're hundred percent, right. Jay Gruden made this point as well like Colt has yet to get a one full practice with the ones in like he came in for the game against the Texans. Alex Smith hurt they had a walk through on their for Dallas. They're on a plane getting a Dallas. So honestly, you know, he has yet to have like a full practice with the ones. Look there's some throws that culture that there were a couple of bad throws in this game. But they didn't lose this game because a Colt McCoy, I don't believe like they certainly wouldn't want it because of him, but. Koma Koi is not going to be the issue like they're gonna if this team's going to do anything. They're going to have to run the ball and play good defense, which is how they got to six and five in the first place based on what you just said there. I think in the end of the question. But again, I think it's less about what McCoy did more about what it meant for everybody else. Learn a thing about Colt McCoy on Thursday that other Redskins fantasy outlook was changed because of it. Whether it was a better outlook for Jordan Reed surprise appearance for Josh Dotson, anybody stand to benefit most from Colt McCoy being back on the field for the Redskins. I think it's Jordan Reed. Jordan Reed made the loveless coming into this week. We looked at sort of the numbers between win Colt had been the starter. Colts been in this offense more with Jay gruden's offense revolves around the tight end. I mean, you know, traditionally it's been weird. Jordan reads been so sort of absent because win Jordan Reed is healthy. He's usually been a very productive player. And so my expectation is is that if you look at sort of the numbers. When Cole McCoy under center and Jordan numbers like averaging double digit fantasy points per game. And so in this year where you've got depressed tight end scoring. Yeah. I do think this is a boost for Jordan Reed. I mean the touchdown was Vernon Davis. It was a beautiful play a bus the coverage there. Yeah. No. I'm not again about other Redskins pass catchers like Vernon Davis is wide open on that plan on. It was one of those where hey, we sorta targeting Verde as a whole lot more because it was called McCoy. No, Jordan Reed. I agree. Feels like the player that got the most out of Colt McCoy being under center on Thursday as opposed to Alex Smith. Mccoy's not a guy that's going to take a lot of shots deep. He's going to be much more very Alex Smith like writing's, kind of a Dink and dunk guy kind of more of a control guy. He's a little bit more gunslinger if you will if that's a word he's a little more gunslinger than Alex Smith is but one we mentioned him on the podcast last week as well. And I just wanna bring them up again. Trey Quinn gets in the end zone. Get sick targets six targets. They. Love Trey Quinn and Washington now, we'll see to find you have. Jamison Crowder comes back. I'm not suggesting that Trey Quinn overtakes Jamison Crowder, but I did say that crowd who's a free agent at the end of the year. If Crowder is not back with the Redskins after the season. One of the reasons why we'll because of Trey Quinn, they they they found something in him kind of feels like Jamison Crowder might already be a free agent based on this season has gone pointing year for him in that water is no question, by the way, just as long as we're talking about slot receivers. We didn't mention this. But Bruce Ellington might sort of be thing for deeper league. Eleven catches in two games for the lions are pretty impressive. It makes the waiver wire. Deep league at list. Mark Cuban the Cowboys did win on Thursday, and Cooper has been awesome. Eight for one eighty and two touchdowns for the Cowboys after a really disappointing week eleven we saw a breakout week for week for market in week twelve. I was just wondering field if you wouldn't mind joining me in a little play a little play that I've written. Okay. So if if you do, well, we're gonna just improv. I don't know who's directing today, but whoever Luna if you can just take a wide shot here. Ask them take a wide shot here of all of us here. You'll see so in this particular play field Yates guy going to pretend. I am the Redskins defense. Gotcha. And you were Amari Cooper. So here's how it goes. So. You're gonna be dot Prescott. Okay. So if you can hang on for a second can here. So all right. So define Dak Prescott. All right to throw the ball to a wide open Amari Cooper. I okay. And now, no no now watch how I practice tackling. Just come towards me towards me. Okay. Good. Oh and seen there. There you go. That's that's how the Redskins practiced Redskins. Tackling throw a touchdown sitting down so easy. Honestly that was the Redskins pass rush. By the way. Can I just I just wanna give a shout out to DJ swear, injure? Thank you swear. Who's one of my favorite players who's just been a breath of fresh air for the Redskins defense who correctly called out the entire defense and said like we gotta make plays like we can't put us on the offense like Amar. Like, I thought Mari Cooper would have a big game. He was on my love list. Somebody that promoted. I didn't think it would be this field because I thought at some point the Redskins would tackle somebody. I thought at some point in the game of tackle football. They would actually practice tackling that he wasn't alone. It was also the Redskins vaunted. Run defense did not much sup Z. He'll Elliott, right? Zeki twenty six in one Twenty-one at five catches. He is running fantastic right now and the other store here in Dallas deck Prescott. Who had a monster game? I believe he is still QB one for the week with two Shawn Watson and Marcus smart still to play tonight. Twenty seven point four fantasy points were David great match upon Thursday night on paper against the saints who have. Duggal, of course throughout the year the slow up opposing quarterbacks. Do we believe that deck Prescott could become a starting quarterback for the rest of the season? Or still a match dependent thing. Matthew berry. No one hundred percent since Amari Cooper came onto the Redskins that Prescott averaging basically nineteen fantasy points game. He's basically a top twelve fantasy quarterback. What I'm sorry. You said it's mine Cooper joins the rest. The cowboys. He joined the Cowboys since all reader that for video team. Sorry since Amari Cooper joined the Cowboys field Yates. Yes. That Prescott savaging. I believe nineteen fantasy points game which put him basically top twelve and then look at their upcoming schedule. You mentioned the home game against the saints this Thursday night, then home to Philadelphia a team with like no secondary whatsoever at Indianapolis, which expect some high scoring game there. You're gonna have to throw to keep up with Andrew luck home to Tampa Bay and week sixteen and then for those that play in week seventeen the plane has been Santa leagues where the championship game goes to week seventeen. They are at the giants. So this schedule just sort of fable it's very favorable. So yes, Dak Prescott. And we talked about him when Amari Cooper came over. And that we thought that this was somebody that you should pick up that we thought would be viable QB one. You know, look what I've liked the Redskins to tackle them a little bit on that rushing. Touchdown. That was like a thing of beauty from that to be to be perfectly honest. But yes, I do think he's very much a viable QB one the rest away, especially when you think about the schedule, and you think about what Amari Cooper meets this team with a twenty five percent target share since joining Dallas the Cowboys. The second winner of the day. The third winner of the day was the saints. Thirty one to seventeen was the final over the falcons, and it didn't even feel that close to be entirely honest. Julio Jones went crazy eleven for one forty seven on fourteen targets. He's good. We had a conversation about Calvin really on the show on Wednesday. He went bananas eight for ninety three and a touchdown on thirteen targeted fumble. But big day for Calvin really good to see him revisit the end on reminder. The conversation was you know, like, hey, I had confidence in a Marco in. I'm sorry in Calvin really. But I told people like. There comes a point where the bottom drops out of wide receivers pretty quickly. So you have to kind of bet on the players that might have the greatest chance for a touchdown in most favorable match up. It was a good spot for Calvin really who did deliver the falcons running backs did not deliver Tevin Coleman. Got you eleven point three points including eight receiving touchdown. But this saints run defense was the real deal on Thursday night, twelve combined rushing attempts Tevin Coleman and Edo Smith. They went for six total yards eighteen inches of carry between those two players is that not because I is that good because it doesn't sound good. It's not very good match. Not a math major here. But I can tell you that eighteen inches per carry is not very good for the falcons. They're now four and seven also Newbury relatively quiet night five thirty one for the saints. It's you know, it is true breeze. Only through twenty two touchdowns and he still went nuts. Four touchdowns twenty point four fantasy points. The but seriously if I told you that we had this joke for the podcast, I told you that Arnold Lewis car and Kirkwood was a law firm. Firm right or the saints pass catchers. What would you buy like, I think you might think about the law firm got much better? Yeah. Law from that. I probably hired at some point Dan Arnold. Tommy Lewis, Austin Carr and Keith Kirkwood were the four recipients of drew Brees has touchdown passes on Thursday night with no trae on Smith's define ya week specked. He well, I don't know expect what do we spec for Thursday night? Yeah. I don't know. I think it's too early to tell, you know, unfortunately for a lot of these games, especially thanksgiving. They go away after that. So you're not gonna get any official report today resumed practice, which I think will be today because they play on Thursday, the couch to get an early clue for the Thursday night games. But I don't think it's a great story. And it's testament just how amazing this offenses. But none of these guys are gonna be players. You're you're rushing the wayward pickup. Dan, Arnold got six targets. Now. He's a tight end. Right. And so, you know, maybe there was something there with Watson. Right. That sort of replacing Watson in some sets there. But. Think about Keith Kirkwood who gets three targets Austin Carr who gets one Tommy Lewis who gets one they catch touchdowns. I don't wanna say it's fluky because when you're on the field with drew Brees anything can happen. But my expectation is is that this was a sort of a weird game. And that when we look back on the season. This will look as an anomaly because I don't expect, you know. I mean, Mark Ingram got more receptions than Alvin Kamara in this game against one of against the worst team in the NFL pass catching running backs Alvin Kamara has probably is worst game of the season ten point eight points. I like it just it was such a fluky weird game from all aspects that I think it's hard to put any stock in it other than just sorta like one of those days it was kind of a weird weekend like that. And I mean, I made this joke on Twitter where I'm just like look for the the thirty for thirty about this thanksgiving like what if I told you there was a day where none of the touchdowns actually ma-. Mattered, right. I mean, it's like it was something like that. Where it's like. Yeah. There you go not bad. Okay. There's a dad joke that joke that joke. Right. Ziprecruiter is proud to present the fantasy focus football podcast. Are they they are. And you're spoken to ZipRecruiter people. He presented are they proud of resent the fantasy focus podcast, or is it just one of those like because sometimes big corporations have what they call tax write offs where they're just like look we need to like just sorta spend money that we don't expect to get back. 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Secondly can row that he's had four catches. And it makes you wonder if he's not going to still be involved as pass catcher, depending what happens next week, no idea really how long pier Garson will be out. But he struggled a lot this year marquees Goodwin. You hope to have back in the mix. But it does seem a season where things have not gone the way the forty Niners and the forty Niners faithful would've hoped to be kind. Well, I'm all about kindness to find everyone knows that I've got a huge heart. But it larged heart is not the same as a huge area. Condition. I thought for sure that the same thing. Now, you should know large. Well, that's nice. Well, that's kind person love trust me, very different very different. And we should. Girl. Three sizes over thanksgiving. Are you saying when I eat all those pop tarts, that's not a matter of me giving more love. Oh, I thought it was too for a minute. I know doctor said your, and I'm just like I got to keep doing it. Because my large earning when you also the pop tarts with DIKO can lays, but they're baked Lay's. They're totally good. Understand like, I'm I'm eating healthy. All right. But anyway, about sees it in a season, which you know, they're evaluating for next year. Obviously, it's one of the reasons why Nick bonds is getting kind of look long look that. He has do you think the Dante Pettis who's a rookie? They had high hopes for suddenly gets a lot more love to define his point. He's he's been more involved. He's impressed when he's gotten an opportunity here. He certainly electric player it feels a little bit like the end of the line for PR sewn. Probably time could vary will be over after this season. San Francisco they will find out because they may feel like we get you me Garoppolo back and all of a sudden, we're right back in the picture. But my point is do do you see more run for Dante Pettus, even quote unquote, full strength that they get Garson and Goodwin back. Just because hey, we want to look at this kid. Let's get him some reps. Let's get some snaps. I think that is very fair for that breed George can overly the only to you wanna potentially start those two you have. Confidence in over one hundred yards from Rita and George Cato twelve targets six catches. But again twelve target you'll take that every day of the week for a talented side against Seattle next week. Obviously, it does feel a little bit like Nick Mullins kind of turned back into a pumpkin pie. I said this earlier in our show meeting. Like, he unfortunately is coming out party was so strong. You know, everything else. I it's hard to live up to his first performance. Which is why I always tell the kids when I speak to the young people try to fail as much as possible and you start like because I like I never low lower expectations. Like, no one does it with my wife was awful like, oh, sure. Sure. Deci always under sell like, I'm still I'm still I'm biding my time on this show. You know, eventually like a good performance. But I didn't wanna wanna think like, wow, berries amazing. And then you know, disappoint. So I just I mostly like, I screw up. And then then. Yeah. With. Yeah. Exactly, james. Winston was awesome for the bucks in this game. Thirty eight passing SAM's three hundred plus passing yards twenty two point nine fantasy points. It was the usual suspects in some ways for the buccaneers, Mike Evans, six for one sixteen and Barbara she'd been pretty good this year fourteen point three points for him Cameron bright filling in for OJ. Howard catches a touchdown. But maybe the player that we've talked about previously that could be back to being a thing. This week is Adam Humphrey six fifty four and a touchdown. It was really nifty. Touchdown. He probably should have been tackled. Three yards short of it. But he found his way into the hands on. He's a recent depth option in deeper leaks right now, he's got fifty more receiving yards in five straight games. He's had four scores in his last four games. He's scored back to back touchdowns here. And it's not super like. Yeah. I mean, it's not super big play. You know what I mean? Like, it's it's I don't wanna say, it's Dinkins dunk. But is this sort of as you've got, you know, if you watch these games like, Evans and. Godwin and Jackson. I mean, they're all going long. You know, they're they're taking the shots. And so the underneath stuff is Adam Humphreys in Cameron -brate or they're tight in. You know, it was Howard is now out for the year. So. We're talking about him today on the on the fantasy show on ESPN. Plus when the pre show meeting for that early this morning, I said like he's like a like if you're going to twelve team three wide receiver league. Like, he's your third wide receiver twenty is sort of like, a borderline top thirty six kind of guy. Like, I don't know that he's somebody that you're like, I gotta have Adam Humphreys in my lineup. But if you just sort of, you know, got your banged up here there, and you're like I need somebody with a high floor. That's got a good shot at like twelve to fourteen points in any given season or any given week. I should say I think it's Adam Humphreys, especially given how much this team throws. And you look at their upcoming schedule field at home to Carolina in week thirteen then home to New Orleans is really struggling at the slot. So far this year at Baltimore in week fifteen. You don't love this. But six weeks at Dallas. That's not a match of scares you for a slot receiver. So honestly with the exception of week fifteen at Baltimore. It's a really nice schedule by the way week seventeen at home to Atlanta. So it's a really good schedule here. We're not just for the buccaneers offense. But specifically Adam Humphries for those in deeper three wide receiver leagues. Russell Wilson is a magician. The Seahawks win thirty two twenty seven over the Panthers on the road a late heroics also Wilson David Moore. But let's begin here with the wide receivers because Doug bowling was very if for this game on Sundays to find a he played hard to say that he was limited 'cause he played fifty five snaps. He did. It was interesting. So he comes down to a game time decision with a groin injury that cropped up this week right after we were saying how good he let how he finally had a week, and we eleven where you could feel comfortable that Doug Baldwin was the healthy wide receiver. You were looking for. He said was the first time he'd woken up during the week without being in pain, and it really showed in that first game in week eleven and then he comes in this week with an injury to the point where they warmed him up pre-game. And then made the decision of whether they were gonna let him go because he had not practiced at all during the week. So the things that you would usually assess as far as like, you know, key makes sharp cuts. He do what he needs to get open. They didn't know until pre-game. And yet he was out on the field is you said the entire time. But I do think it allowed for the opportunity for them to prep, David Morton, Tyler Lockett might be the only might be the two main go to guys if Baltin wasn't gonna be out there. Lockets incredible scoring season continued five hundred seven with yet. Another touchdown on five targets. He's a bit touchdown dependent. But there's at least a case for him as the Seahawks receiver you wish to roster the rest of the season based off of the fact that you know, bald had that one good game last week, but he has been so quiet all season. And we don't have the injury. Excuse right now. Meanwhile, tire lock continues to produce he's big play, proficient. But David Morris kind of interesting story here when the east central seventh round pick last year for the Seahawks. Matthew, I know you've talked about him. Plenty, you know, the Seahawks like this player, and they really do back to the idea of a lot of the waiver wire additions right now are probably deeply considerations. Moore's at least on the radar after eight catches over the past two weeks. Yeah, he's got five touchdowns in its past seven games. But yet has yet to catch more than four passes in the game. So we sort of big play dependent. Yep. Of course, aren't we all feel gates? I think we are all for news play dependent. They played for Niners this week Weiss. Yeah. Right. But I mean, I think this week you're gonna like the secondary. So banged up the foreigners. And then they lost their safety to an arm injury this week. I think that anybody can do whatever they want as far as throwing passes against forty Niner. Try now, look I mean, I think, you know, watching those games closely Baldwin in our in our podcast liberty league. And he's been certainly very frustrating. This entire season. I think the narrative is a little bit different twice both in this game. And last week wide open in the end zone and Russell Wilson. Just misses him. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. He ended up scoring last week, obviously. But you know, could have had two touchdown game potentially in that. And that one and this one could have had a touchdown here. So I think maybe the narrative changes on that all that said, I think when you see the emergence of Tyler Lockett and David Moore who like I said, I know they like a lot. I think coming into the season the expectation before we heard about the knee the knee injury. And that he wasn't on percent. But the. Expectation like an early August was that and with Jimmy Graham moving on like, hey, all the targets Doug Baldwin is a guy who has the second most receiving touchdowns after Tonio Brown over the last three years coming into the season. Right. And so we thought you know, here's a guy. This was going to get a tremendous amount of target share with Paul Richardson and Jimmy Graham moving on. And what has happened is partially because he's been banged up partially because they lock to the to the big contract in the offseason because they've found David Moore that it's no longer been like the Doug Baldwin show. And then the rest of the guys are complimentary. They're just sort of. They're all equal if you will in Russell spreading the ball around. And he's spreading the ball around in an offense. That is run. I that is you know, that I believe I don't know if it's still to this point. But coming into this game was the run heaviest game team in the NFL in terms of their in terms of the percentage of snap. So I feel like Baldwin is. And I hate to use this phrase, but it is like as a wide receiver three with. Some upside here that much upside though, won't be seen. So. Maybe it's because he hasn't practice a lot. But I like I said like he should have had a touch on this game. Let's he could have had to last week. That's what should is one of those things and fantasy football. Everybody could tell you that about a certain player. Let's move forward here with the Panthers. Christian McCaffrey was awesome yesterday. The most productive game for any player in PR scoring all season forty six point nine points. Four Christian McCaffrey over one hundred yards rushing over one hundred yards receiving a touchdown in each category. He was amazing. What else is new? Are. We worried though about Greg less, but just I just want to put this in context for a second. And one of my bold predictions at the beginning of the year as a bold prediction of couches prediction was that. Chris McCaffrey could be the number one running back and fantasy that he could be David Johnson esque in terms of because of the because the past catching ability and because the touchdowns, and then you know, early on the year he was getting in touchdowns. And I was certainly hearing it from people on that since week seven. He's the number one running back. And fantasy. So and he is now number one fantasy do little bit of math here. He was eighty points behind about thirty points now behind Todd Gurley for that very number one slot after thirteen after twelve weeks I should say of game play. So an opportunity for McCaffrey, especially because there's a possibility McCaffrey has guess girly. Does not have to play sixteen games going forward. One hundred percents. No, Devin funchess yesterday's to is it possible. This back injury could be seven that lingers for another week to sure I mean, this is not the first time that he's dealt with it. And then obviously it was bad enough to keep him out of this week's game. We talked about how in week eleven. He looked uncomfortable at times really wasn't close to coming back this week 'cause he didn't practice it. All so no way to project right now, what will happen this week. But it's certainly possible that he could miss again DJ more step into a larger prominent role again yesterday. He is awesome. He is the one Carolina wide receiver. That's getting a steady target load right now. Eight for nine. One on nine target. Now, courtesy found the end zone again. But he got three total touches yesterday. I think it's pretty clear that Jay more. Now, the Carolina Panthers wide receiver you'd most want to roster the rest of the way Devin funchess trending the right way. More training. The right way are turning sorry. Funchess trying to wrong way. More turning the right way right now first round pick a seemingly seen his role flower each and every week field when you sort of just the stats are great like five targets and three straight game six of the past seven game. So they're getting him involved. Fifteen catches on seventy targets two hundred forty eight yards and touch on his last two. Take the numbers out of it. And just step take a step back, and what is DJ more do. Well, and there's a long list, but one of them is yards after the catch. This is the guy that has really good once he gets the ball in his hands. Right. Yeah. And what does north Turner done traditionally throughout his careers offense coordinator, he has been really good about getting guys in space and taking advantage of that. That is a hallmark when Turner's offenses are going, right? That is a hallmark of them. And so when you sort of think about what north Turner wants to do when you sort of think about the rest of this team, you think about McCaffrey you'd think about Cam Newton and their abilities. And once they get in space, and what those guys can do doesn't make sense that DJ more should be the featured part of this passing offense forgetting all the numbers in anything else and contracts and anything like that just in terms of what's on the field, and what their coaching philosophy is it just feels like to me. I don't know why. Devin funchess would become the number one. Because he's been there longer, quote, unquote, six force we sort of traditional tied in number one guy, and I think he'll still get some red zone looks. But rest the season at this point hard for me to want to start funchess over DJ more. I have a team where I've both guys, and I'll be starting more over funchess, unless something changes my mind. 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I mean, totally worth it. But thanks and now back to the show that sounds like somebody that actually listened to the pot. The problem is really on you. Liz remind everybody you can go to ZipRecruiter dot com slash fan to enter in for next week's smartest fan of the week. The question is you wake up and find yourself any freaky Friday situation for one day switched bodies with one member of the six, oh who are you hoping you switched bodies with? And why not all the pop tarts wanna get lays and fig Newton's as the steadiest portion of their diet. Let's be clear here. There's an argument of made for switching bodies with me. And I'll tell you what that argument is. I will make you feel so good about your current -actly. That's it. He bodies with field because you know, what I'm gonna come back to my body and be like what the hell's going on like I'm gonna be all angry myself. But listen, you get you get one look at this Muffin top this dad Bod, and you'll be like, you know, what I'm gonna be less hard on myself. Make no mistake about I'm the guy you want to bodies with. Oh, yeah. Percents and the entire time nervous. You couldn't switch back. Matty, b let's move along with the patriots and the jets the patriots win twenty seven to thirteen and Sony. Michelle. It was a second game back from injury. And man that he Ronhaar twenty two point five fantasy points one hundred and thirty three rush yards and a touchdown. But James white goes for under ten points for the second straight game. And only one catch for James white nine rushes for seventy three yards. That part was fine. Are we all worried about James wide? And here's why ask the question. Okay. Rexburg is now eligible to return this weekend. Patriots going to have a third running back who knows capable how much he plays remains to be seen nervous right now. If you have James white on your roster, Matthew hanging tough with a guy that's been so good all season will bit of both. Okay. A little bit. I mean, not to not to fence it, but I'm gonna fence it a little bit. Yeah. I'm a little bit nervous. I'm a little bit nervous partially because Rex Burkhead coming back partially because Tony Michelle has look so good and partially because Tom Brady has it. Like at the end of the day. Tom Brady went up with nineteen fantasy points. It was a good fantasy performance. But from the eye test field. He didn't look like Tom Brady. He there was still throws. He missed too many times that he was targeting James white threw the ball at his feet. And so yeah, look Bill check and Josh mcdaniels are not stupid, and they're going to sit there and look at what's working on this offense. And what isn't and so especially as it gets colder like I could see them leaning more on twenty Michelle wanted to get Rex Burkhead back in the system. So I'm certainly nervous about James white having said that I do think this in this particular game they were up big they controlled the game from basically the start. They wanted to get so Michelle going again right after his layoff. So this is kind of it was a Sony Michelle game, right? Which is this is sort of how the patriots do. And so you think about like week thirteen against the Vikings. Like that's not a game that I feel like they'll be controlling with no problem. So in games in which they're going to have to throw more James white is clearly there pass catching running. Back here. So you think about week thirteen at home against Minnesota week fifteen at Pittsburgh like those games in which week fourteen. Maybe not so much at Miami. But like those are games in which you figure they're going to have to score to keep up with good offenses gronkowski rob gronkowski returned the ending yesterday. It was kinda like his own version of homeward bound time since week one a beautiful thirty four yard catch. And there's going to be a lot of evaluating the body language and the wellness of rob gronkowski. I'm just going to say, it's my untrained. I thought he moved around better yesterday than we've seen them in quite some time. Now. No, I totally agree with you. And I think the patriots were happy with how he moved a little bit of his you could see the utilization that he had. There was no holding back. I also thought that it was going to be key. We talked about this on the show yesterday that Tom Brady would want to integrate rob gronkowski right back at the start. We talked about aiming to get him the ball and get him a score early in the game. And certainly that's exactly how it played out. So it'll be interesting see how you know the day or two after you always want to make sure the back holds up. Well, but I thought both these guys we'd talked field you mentioned Sony Michelle, but he increases volume of snaps from seventeen in his first week back from the knee issue than they had the by two twenty nine offense of snaps. They liked the way he ran again. These are good tests for them to then be me more comfortable with them going forward. Michelle left the game briefly with the back issue just got sort of bent the wrong way. But we got bent the wrong way was his name. I mean, this this poor kid for the January that that sounds like the name of a crappy band, and I've never heard of tough. Hombre? That's the kind of band that? You should have on your podcast Daniel, tough Hombre. I've had break. Right. Gronkowski with Steph Hombre ski red zone targets yesterday. He had to I believe going into that game all season. Good to see that from gronk for the jets will keep it simple here. There's really nobody that you have any interest in starting week to week if you're desperate. I guess you're playing someone like they occur. Well, maybe. Disappointed. Maybe Tremaine curse was good yesterday. Six for six with a touchdown. But the jets about his unstoppable fantasy roster as you will find right now in the NFL, we hope am Donald return soon to get some valuable reps this, but they're on the road at Tennessee next week. I you know, that's that's a good defense by the struggles on their secondary. Can't imagine the feel instead we in a week thirteen where you have no guys on teams on by hard hard to trust that it does seem like kind of a two headed running back by committee there in New York. You could be starting plenty of Brown's right now though because they are red hot to game winning streak their first road win. I think it was twenty straight road wins. They twenty twenty straight road losses. Which was I think it's twenty five twenty five trait road losses, which would have been one shy of the NFL record. I think might have been the lions back in the day. Sorry Daniel Brown win thirty five twenty a game that really was a blow out in the first half. And Nick chop is a beast right now. Twenty eight eighty four in the ground with touchdown three for forty four through the. Air with a touchdown including he got he must somebody yesterday. It will definitely be among count on. Whether it's a nice addition or next week. Nick was awesome. Clearly, the Browns running back that you have the most confidence in and do Johnson, the sort of the what's unbelievable or Nick. Joe told her touches yesterday. Right. Been that way since Carlos tied was traded. And it was kind of at the expense of Duke Johnson yesterday who just one catch onto targets. We figure that the Duke Johnson workload is not going to be eight catches a week. Good. But you would like to see a little bit more from new John balance catcher. Yeah. Feels like he's in. We didn't think this especially given the Atlanta game. But feels like maybe he's a little bit more game flow dependent than we would have thought because they controlled this game from start to finish. And maybe they're just didn't need it. And you know, it's sort of interesting here like how many snaps did he play thirsty. Can you look that one up for me real quickly like 'cause feels like Keith? I know you watch this game very closely. I haven't had a chance to go back and watch the watch the film on this yet. But didn't feel like he was on the field all that much forty four snaps for Chubb seventeen for Johnson. Yeah. So I mean, they just think they were head in the game. And they decided granted out in the second half. They weren't even on the field. The Bengals controlled the second half. Because Jeff Jurisco is probably the next coming. Yeah. I mean, right. Just one second. Excited. Are you keeps flips about about this Brown's team? I told my daughter who's seven and a half years old that last time they want to game in a row, she was three and a half. Wow. That was that's how good it feels. That's pretty amazing before the Hugh Jackson era well before. Yes. Jarvis lenders are concerned right now. Jarvis Landry is not had more than fifty receiving yards in four straight games. There was a time where five fifty was the expectation by rolling out of bed for Jarvis Landry. It's a problem. It might be as simple. It was asked about this the pre show many with Keith like Baker Mayfield kinda has that drew Brees mentality. Whoever is open is going to catch the football. You love to see the Browns force-feed Jarvis Landry more. But when you want to straight games far be it for us to assume they're going to deviate off course, especially with some winnable games coming up including the Texans next. I'm not sure how that is. But it's you know, at least possible there at Houston. Baker Mayfield looks terrific. I'm not gonna go as far as field Yates and say that he is drew Brees. Like, I wanna hold pump the brakes a little bit here. I think that's a little MS. Nice Tom Brady. No. I I think he's a very talented rookie quarterback. And I think if I'm a Browns fan, I'm excited about the potential and the future here. I mean between drilling with. Between. Yeah. Right. It feels like you're ready to put him in canton already. I'm pumping the brakes just a little bit here on him. But I do think that like if I'm a Browns fan when you think about anything about Nick job, and you think about Baker Mayfield. And hey and Tony Calloway starting to catch some passes. Well, like, you know, feels like there's there's some pieces here. Obviously you've got the you've got the defense led by Myles Garrett. Deathly Dayton, jokers tight end. Yes. Absolutely. So I think there's some viable pieces here. I think if you're a Browns fan like not cool Keith there is reason for optimism for the Bengals a lot of reason for pessimism right now. Shelton was hurt. Yesterday's to a thumb injury. Not good for injured his right thumb and didn't return, I believe that. He had a similar injury in the past gotta go look that up, but he had something with the thumb right hand in not not too distant past, obviously, no word yet on this Verity or or when we can hope to see Andy Dalton Levi's having test today. Evaluation. So we'll see what that means for delta in the Bengals I would say there's actually a pretty decent job of being pretty transparent with us at least so far this year with injuries, but Jeff Driscoll filled in actually played through seventeen for twenty nine hundred fifty five yards. He's not let guy as well. Three. Russia's for nine yards with a touchdown for the Bengals know AJ green. Yes. You know, it was it was positive game flow, obviously, they were down. But like, I I think there are there are certainly worse backup quarterbacks out there than Jeff Driscoll. I think there is something sort of intriguing about him, you know, especially if you're gonna to quarterback leaguer deeper league, you're looking around for kind of a warm body. Would qualify know AJ green yesterday yet another game with John Ross scoring a touchdown. He now as touchdown in three straight games. He's got twenty targets. The problem is is just seven catches in those three games. They know more than I think receiving yards. But if anybody is touchdown likely, it's the guy who was literally the fastest player in the history of the NFL combine so in a deeper league. Sure, John Ross on the waiver wire considerations, especially with no AJ green last week and potentially AJ green this week against the Broncos. The raiders they fall short against the ravens thirty four to seventeen is the final Doug Martin or the only player of note. I guess yesterday. It's sixteen fantasy points eleven fifty one and a touchdown. He's like a. Running back top twenty seven running back twenty five. I don't know why twenty seven is supposed to twenty five top twenty five running back week to week. You hope that he finds the end zone which not that often for raiders players. Jared cook did find the end zone as well. Just to catch us though for cook deeper leagues. Marcel eightman he had ten of the raiders thirty four targets deeper deeper league because the only three catches yesterday for the ravens. It's all about Lamar Jackson eleven Russia's seventy one yards and touchdown one hundred seventy eight passing yard touchdown there. Twenty point two fantasy points the second straight week for maybe there's some measures that say like it wasn't that great of a performance from the mar Jackson's eighth her and yet the floor is just that high. If we expect Joe flacco to be healthy enough to play soon. Do you think there's any way that the ravens go back to Joe flacco because if not Lamar Jackson who is hovering right around qualifications for the waiver wire column for this week would be a priority. Add if not the top at. Of the week. We've been saying for a while. I feel like I mean, I feel like we've certainly said this on the fantasy shows well that Lamar Jackson needs to be rostered one hundred leagues said that last week so that two weeks ago and to answer your specific question field. No. I mean, I feel like this is what we said last. This is what I said last week. You guys. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe what I said last week is some version of like Mike spectators that they beat the raiders and there two zero and then how you going to go away from him. And by the way, if they lose the raiders, then they basically drop out of the AFC playoff race. Because they're Pittsburgh's gonna win the division. My expectation was Pittsburgh was going to be Denver. But still my belief is that Steelers win this vision. So they're really just competing for that last AFC wildcard spot. And so so, yeah, I mean, my feeling is that I don't know how especially when you when you're thinking about Joe flacco contract situation. They used a first round pick on the mar Jackson. Why they would go back to Joe flacco specially on a two game win streak only only because coaches are weird. Yeah. I hear you. I I'm saying very little sense to go back to Joe flacco other than coaches and loyalty, and we know that can be first before they can decide about going back to Joe flacco he has to well, he's got to be cleared to return to practice. Still hasn't practice? Jason Hensley covers the ravens for us reporting that he's supposed to see a hip specialist this week. So we'll have more information once that visit has happened to determine whether he can actually even practice. But that's that's basically the if I do think it's interesting that Michael Crabtree. Who has not benefited from the change in quarterback said it's the Lamar show you have to sit back and watch because he's electrifying. So even the guys who aren't benefiting individually are are taking note of the switch seventy six combine yard for John Brown. My Crabtree in two games. Lamar Jackson as the quarterback that being said crap did score against his old team yesterday. And Gus Edwards was awesome. Again, Twenty-three Russia's one hundred eighteen yards eleven point eight fantasy points, not massive. But Stefan, you Alex. Counts. Miss this game yesterday. Alex Collins just one last point on Lamar Jackson. I just want to say real quickly here field, which is that. I don't know if you caught this. But I thought I quote from John Harbaugh that said something about Joe flacco just saying like, well, we always initially thought it was going to be a three to four week injury. Which is the first time I've heard a timeline on him. And at like that was horrible buying himself. Some more time Lamar Jackson. They actually said when it very first happened. I think they're something that was floated around like that. But then there was like, hey, he's doing well. And so we'll see. Yeah. So so back to your Alex Collins comment field, obviously the foot injury. It was surprising. Because what happened was he was limited earlier in the week turns in a full practice, fry this usually think okay guys trending upward and then supposedly has a game workout and they make the decision not to plan. Now, we don't know exactly what happened during that period of time. But there's no doubt that Gus Edwards is certainly beneficiary with him out and it's questionable. Whether he might even still be the beneficiary of Lamar Jackson quarterback. If it went Alex Collins returns, if that happens this week, we don't yet know we will see what happens next for the ravens who are now as Matthew said right back in that number two wildcard spot in the AFC. Let's move along to the Sunday night game the Packers and the Vikings backers fall short twenty four to seventeen Aaron Jones was good again. What a surprise. They are found the end zone eighteen point three fantasy points. Devante Adams went five or six and nine with a touchdown. The way he catches the buffet have been to that route that he put on bureaus Aaron Rodgers just missed them in a very uncharacteristic day five for sixty nine with touchdown there. But I think the question is probably this Aaron Rodgers where we at with Aaron Rodgers right now if you are starting him are you feeling confident about doing so every single week going forward. The Packers have great final stretch of the season schedule. Matthew is the key one the rest of the way, of course. And course is I guess I'll tell you why. Because the schedule that you just said look so did did he have a great game this one. No we did. And under twelve fantasy points on the road at Minnesota. I think though somewhat to be expected, you know, he has traditionally struggled against Mike Zimmer defense, certainly when the game is in Minnesota head Demonte atoms wide open, just miss it. That's throw that normally nine times out of ten ninety nine times out of a hundred Aaron Rodgers hits. So and I think if he does like I think the narrative around him in this game changes a little bit here. What it is is that you need to sort of. Reassess. How you think about him? So the question to me was that you asked me is he still a QB one? Is he a starter? Yes. Is he still the he's still a top two fantasy quarterback? He's still the number one quarterback and fantasy which is what you draft him to be. No. I mean, you know, you think about the rest of the season. Like you'd rather have Patrick Mahomes. You'd rather have Cam Newton for me. I'd rather have drew Brees think you'd rather have Andrew luck. You know? I'm not sure it's quarterback the rest of the way. He's he's ten on a per game basis after this week. Okay. Let me just so like, okay. Okay. Rogers just tumbling player that way, I think he was to blame game to repent. Don't even quite okay, come on fun times. Now, we don't have time Pasha Jared Goff, debris. Matt Ryan Cam Newton. Ben rothlisberger. Andrew luck. Philip rivers. Russell wilson. Like those guys that easily knew it start. Jameis winston. No. I'm like, I don't think I'm starting Winston no-brainer over him. I think Winston, I think is borderline. I think it's not that crazy that he has not like you could make the case for nine other quarterbacks over Aaron route this guy Wilson just yet based this week. I saw like let's hope the better days are ahead for Aaron Rodgers limit of quite starts part of this year. Just footing work twenty point games. But to your point home to air Zona than home to Atlanta. I think you're starting in the next two weeks teen at Chicago. You don't feel great about that week sixteen at the jets. I think you do feel great about that. We saw what braided and then week seventeen home Detroit. Yeah. Honestly, it was very good. So so yes, so I think based on the schedule. Schedule. Yes. Other than that other than the game Atra when we fifteen. I think yes, he is still he is still a QB one. What he is really hard to walk. I mean, look he's he's out there with no Randall Cobb. No, Jimmy, basically the ghost of Jimmy Graham. So it's devante adamant of bunch of. But that's never mattered to Aaron Rodgers before. I mean, he's that guy that makes everyone else around him better. He just looks uncharacteristically. Not Aaron Rodgers like this part that concerns. Sacked, but he's been he's been beat up a little bit. They're going to little bit more of a balanced offense with with Aaron Jones here. But look when my rankings come out this week. And I haven't done them yet. Aaron Rodgers will be solidly inside my top ten at home against Arizona. And I think barring injury he will be again in week fourteen. I'm sorry. Yeah. And week fourteen against the falcon my point was that you could make a case. There are ten quarterback. She'd rather have over Aaron Rodgers for the rest of the season. We get close to it at the very least further down on him than I am. I know you like Baker Mayfield more than Aaron Rodgers. I believe that's what he said after schools. But no. Taking that you have to lower expectations. Aaron rodgers. I'm not as down on him as you are cousins had probably his best game of the season from the eyeball Tetter seven point four fantasy points, Adam feelings to both eight catches both I touch, and I think we all agree that the Dow cook probably looked as good as we have seen him. Look so far this season sixteen point six points where coke less than three yards per carry. But just looks more nimble. Oh, it's also to me what stood out. Specifically was the fact that he could run and drag players he got he had this long run where he got twisted around kind of spun out while guys we're holding him down. And that to me is significant because when Devon cook was apprehensive about coming back. He said the thing that was still bothering him was when he was getting that torque getting twisted or dragged down by defenders, and that didn't appear to be a problem last night. He certainly did not seem to be a problem last night for the Vikings good to cover it up. Get seven catches yesterday. Let's move onto the Pittsburgh Steelers. And the Denver Broncos Broncos win this one twenty four to seventeen for the Steelers. My goodness gracious, juju Smith, Schuster was unbelievable. Thirty seven point nine. Fantasy points for him road bend perhaps not a thing anymore, and Matthew you won this board bet. But I kind of feel like I did yesterday. What Ben Rothlisberger top ten fantasy quarterback? I believe he's number eleven right now on the week, but he throws for four hundred and sixty two yards twenty point three fantasy points. If he doesn't throw a touchdown interception to a nose tackle in the final offense of play the game for the Pittsburgh Steelers. It has a very different tenor to Ben Rothlisberger. I don't know. My point is this. I think we all agree that the grow Ben may not be as much of a thing anymore for giants. Coming into this game. Nineteen points nineteen he finishes twenty point three he was on my list. So I took that I took them the I took I took the under on this as well. I mean like he needed to throw fifty six times they get their against Denver. I mean, and look I mean, so I don't know James CONNER has nervous at all about him. Just eleven point five points for James Connor yesterday any nerves whatsoever take that no little bit. But more like why did they stop running him? I just I don't understand that. It was more about the utilize ation than about him in terms of his performance. I think it's but I have to wonder because come into this game. This is something you can you can look up real quickly here thirsty. Kyle. Because I don't think he's actually looked this up. We've asked to look up yet. What's going on? A back. There is boosted up. Hey else says those to Kyle coming into this game against Denver where to James Connor rank in terms of total touches among running backs. I bet you he led the NFL if he what he's gotta be top three certainly right up there. He got eighteen on Sundays. You're not super nervous about James Connor just wasn't uncharacteristic day for him against the Broncos defense that has been much better this season. I think people recognize they've semi slow down the chiefs onto occasions. They beat the chargers last weekend. And they beat the Steelers on Sunday, the kind of stuff that could potentially save a coaching job as we find out that James Connor is fourth in the NFL in total touches going into this game. Yeah. So I wonder if there's a little bit of I don't wanna say a rookie walk is not a rookie, obviously. But I wonder if there's a little bit of just sorta wear and tear gave him one goal on carry the usage was a little bit weird. But maybe this is where they felt like it was weird lead at split up till like it wasn't as much secondhand instead understand. Yeah. It seemed like they sort of went away from him. But maybe that's how just. Offensively that they saw how they could attack. Denver that the the line was playing really well here. So maybe they thought, hey, we could there's fluky hit the long plans to to do Smith Schuster, and suddenly you don't need to do a drive when you're throwing a ninety seven yard touchdown pass. There as well. But they're just real interesting quickly as we move this game. Look at Denver's upcoming schedule Bengals this week than the forty Niners. Then home to the Browns then at Oakland week sixteen home to the chargers in week seventeen charges team that could easily have playoff spot wrapped up and not need to do anything. And we see a little bit more head on that one. But that's what gives us a perfect time to segue to the to the Broncos that we're just talking about Philip Mingo Sanders. Awesome, Cortlandt Sutton, though. Like what's going on with him one catch for fourteen yards on four targets drop? -able? Matthew mean, I know you are not filling in by week fill-ins now. But if you had to roster the handcuff to a player at running back and be expendable on your roster. Yeah. Because we I think there was an expectation that went to Maria's Thomas was traded that all of a sudden he's gonna start running a lot more routes, and he was going to take over to marry Thomas's role and his his his target percentage was going to have this crazy rate. And then yet doesn't have a game with more than three receptions or? Six targets entire year has two touchdowns on the season. It's it's a run first team that when they're throwing throwing manual Sanders and his role is basically stayed the same field. You know? I mean, Jeff Hier men has suddenly become a little bit more of this offense here you're seeing some day Sean Hamilton as well. So yes, I have no issue in redraft league. Especially at ten team Stanley league dropping Portland. Let's get to the giant in the eagles here. Saquon Barkley was unbelievable thirty three point two fantasy points. But weird situations to find Evan Ingram was active. Then he got hurt in warmups. Yeah. I mean, that's that's exactly what happened. I got. I got a couple of messages last night. People are like what happened to anger, and why isn't he playing or why hasn't anybody said anything about it? This happens about once a year or player goes out in the pregame, warmups dot not on the airport. But for whatever reason they go out during the course of warm ups they tweak something they feel something. His was his hamstring heat. Jordan, ron. Had answered the question for someone else and said, essentially, he remained questionable to return. So it's not like he was ruled out at the start of the game. I knew he wasn't playing but he never came back in. And it's not like they have to make press box announcements. Right. Then at that point. You know, he's an active member of your roster for that day at that point. So that's that's how the giants just you know, what's just say this. And this is somebody who has on a team that started him that could easily swapped them out. But didn't because you couldn't have easily because when the time that they know you don't know their evaluating they have back in the locker room. They're making a decision. If before the game starts if you hear during warm ups, and you hear this all the time. Hey, Evan Ingram tweak something during warm ups, and as being valuated, you're like what I start whether he's active or not I understand that at that point. He's been ruled active so he's not going to be out. But if you know before the game starts, hey, there's something going on with Evan Ingram. If they've given some sort of heads up than I can make a lineup switch and that didn't have. They didn't they didn't rule him out. They didn't announce this until fifteen minutes into the game. And I'll tell you what that's why they lost the game against the eagles. That is karma. And you know, it is complete and utter karma. I'm glad they lost. I'm glad lost. I'm glad the season's going down the tubes. For the New York Giants. I'm glad the entire organization is a disaster. Because. Never should have drafted saquon Barkley in the first place as great as saquon Barkley as he's an amazing player. They shouldn't have used the number two overall pick on a running back. It's serves them. Right. Karma is a is a you know what? And I have to tell you something. I'm glad I I'm a Redskins fan. And I'm sitting here saying I'm glad the eagles won. Because that's what happens. That's what happens when you mess with people like that. I feel bad for Evan Ingraham. That has to be on that franchise that was dumb ramp by you Redskins. The eagles to lose that game in a major way on Sunday that they're going to beat them on Monday night. That's gonna happen here. We will. Here. Keep trying on gonna ride. Because I was awesome as usual twenty two point one fantasy points but the passing game. Besides by the way, that's another reason why I hate the stupid giants because you had a game you should won that lily the eagles starting guys off the street and their secondary. And because you've got the seventy five thousand year old quarterback. You can't take advantage of it. You heard beca. You pay the guy eight billion dollars in the offseason. But why do you throw it? Don't throw it to against this awful secondary. It serves you, right? Giants fans, and I feel bad for the giants fans to this is not a rant against giants fans. I want to be very clear about this. I feel bad for giants fits you're like this side of the Bengals fans. It feels so awful the root for this franchise I-, terrible awful. They should have beaten the eagles, and they didn't. And and that's karma. Karma field. Gates four for thirty for golden Tate yesterday to seven fantasy points L show, Jeffrey just three for thirty nine. The eagles passing offense is still sort of finding its footing right now. Carson Wentz you just thirteen point two fantasy points. They've got a big game ahead against Matthews Redskins next Monday night job. Adams, though, one of the few bright spots on this offense besides earth twenty two eighty four with a touchdown sixteen point four points here. Yesterday, the coal twin another game the colts continued to win free. Josh how you've been talking about him for quite some time free. Josh Adams, two straight weeks, m being the guy in Philadelphia four or five straight wins for the Indianapolis Colts right now to Rico's Indianapolis Colts twenty seven to twenty four eight dramatic comeback in the fourth quarter for the dolphins though. A monster game for Kenyan Drake before he got hurt. If I have any idea what happened with Drake late night game. Something happened to shoulder. Okay. He had come into the game on the injury report because of his shoulder that he gets limited in practice. Big. It's cleared for the pre-game injure port. So he must have banged it. Bumped it tweaked it during the game. He left for a little bit came back amongst the most notable players, maybe the only notable player on this. Dolphins roster twenty six point six fantasy points for him. Yeah. He was on the hate list for me this week field. Obviously a bad call on this one. He drives me up a wall. Nineteen. Karm on this one nine thousand total carries in his last game. He's had nineteen total carries like knowing when to start Kenyan Drake. And when not to start Kenyan Drake is literally just is a dart throw because the usage isn't there? It is literally like he has his his the definition of touched on dependent. Just because the usage it's not about his talent. I've never questioned it's talent. It's my questions of always been about Adam gates and his usage. And again as good as he is nineteen total carries in the past three games. I mean, even in this one he only got eight Russia's. I mean, he got the big pass for touchdown. He gets another touch on. But he got eight runs. But you're yeah. Yeah. They play dependent four Kenyan Drake. But he made good on those big plays fourteen carries or Frank Goldens gonna keep happening. I should know that by now he is ageless is Frank core. Andrew luck. Now is the Matthew berry of of of the NFL. It's right. He has eight straight games. Does Andrew luck of three or more passing touchdowns? He is red hot right now t y Hilton goes crazy again seven for one twenty five Jack Doyle scored a touchdown. That's good news. But so to Eric E Brown's got two touchdowns yesterday on five catches. He actually out snapped Doyle forty six to thirty six for a while. We have been saying no the problem is Jack del doesn't play nearly as much as I'm sorry around. Eric Hebron doesn't play nearly as much as Jack Doyle doesn't and he doesn't until yesterday. And maybe part of that's tired of the fact that no Allie Cox was inactive because of an injury. But Eric Ibran if you started him good on you. He is touchdown prolific is really any player. So far this season. I can't imagine. There are too many players guy who have forty five or fewer catches. With eleven or more receiving touchdowns at any point at a single. And that is karma right there. Let me tell you. The lions did not take advantage of Eric Hebron the way that the colts have and I'll tell you. What's the lions? I mean, this whole thing is just karma against the. Here's the problem that I have because I've seen a lot of like the lions really screwed that one up right there. Anybody pulse. Say like anything other than like, it's about time. We got rid of Eric Hebron. They would've traded them for twentieth. Round pick. If they could that's accurate. So I don't wanna hear anything about the lions miss manager. Utilized Eric u-b-e-r. No like give credit where it's due to the colts and give credit to Eric Brown for playing better this season. Let's get to the final couple of games of the day because we have way to give credit to Eric Brown from tanking while in Detroit. And then all of a sudden, you know, once realizing that he no longer had guaranteed money. And then all of a sudden turning it on got one way to look at it. And I don't know I'm trying to back you up. We've got some important news. Before we get there. Very quickly. How much do you think this has to do with? No MO Alec Kocsis in this game already said, I'm just asking. I'm just asking Daniel for we leave the colts Marla MAC has a concussion so just keep an eye on him him Hines would be the next man up as Georgia Wilkins and not have a single carry yesterday. All right. Cardinals lose forty five to ten cardinals. It's Larry FitzGerald, David Johnson fits has four catches over his past two games. Three of them have gone for touchdowns. David Johnson had seventy nine total yards yesterday. Just two catches. Maybe this offense is not entirely fixed yet. But the story of the day in this game. Maybe fantasy football's that Melvin Gordon is now with an MC L injury. According to Eric Williams who covers the charter for us to find he came into this game injured but up until that play was not running like a player that was injured. He had twenty point six points on just twelve touches two touchdowns. This does not sound good. You're those two with an MC L issue now. And I think to the point of the number points got we had said. When I got because they opted to let him go. Melvin Gordon is a starter for you. You're going to go ahead and play him. But we thought that perhaps they would if they got ahead. They would then cap the Melvin Gordon knowing that he came into this game with a sore Sordi this being the knee his left knee that he had microfracture surgery on a couple of years ago. So knowing that the slate of games they had coming up have expected him. I thought after the two touchdowns he'll be out of the game comes back in on this play. That's a double reverse gets caught in a leg whip. You could see his knee bend inwards. It's called vagus stress. That's how you injure your MC L. He looked devastated walked off at the towel over his head obviously with 'em sale sprain. It's probably gonna cost him several weeks. They hope to get him back before the end of the regular season. This is in the opposite nee. So now, you got sore nail has left at 'em sales brain on his right? Just a really unfortunate occurrence and a lot of people wondering why Melvin Gordon didn't come out of that game. A little sooner can't state this enough. Austin is a priority ad. In your week. If he is in your league if he's available. He's available about forty percent of leaks at last check. He had ten catches yesterday at eleven five rushes for thirty five yard. She's really good player that will probably be a top ten or twelve play until Gordon returns. I don't know if he's necessarily that high for me I by the way, he should have been a hundred percent roster. If you had Melvin Gordon on your team this entire time and didn't Ross awesome. That's on you. I'm sorry because we've talked about this before multiple times here, and especially given how productive equities been this year. And you know, and so that's on you to be to be perfectly Frank. But yes, he should be the number one waiver wire add this week if for some reason out there, but I wonder if Justin Jackson who's like six foot, and like wanna say two hundred pounds something like that. I wonder if this is a little bit more of a committee. Melvin Gordon's touches the ball so much when he's out there. But equa who's a smaller guy. Just feels like they wouldn't just give him Melvin Gordon's workload there. I say because the name that Melvin Gordon missed earlier on this year. Austin equa played a higher percentage of snaps than any running back in any game this season. Yeah. Yeah. No, the reason that they if that is an indicator at all, maybe opium committee. We'll see Austin echo was really good in that game for them against Tennessee. I will certainly rank Austin equity significantly head of Justin Jackson coming into this week. But I do think Justin Jackson, my expectation. Look wrong player player. I know they like them. I wonder if I wonder if it's a little bit more of a committee in maybe like, a seventy thirty sixty five thirty five could kind of thing. And it would Justin Jackson at somebody that also should be rostered as we see. See what happens here? He was impressive yesterday in limited time as well. Final game of the day was let her for that. And the Jaguars falling to the bills. Not a lot of fantasy relevance here for that scores twice before getting ojected for throwing a punch at bills defensive end shack Lawson. We don't know if it'd be punished for next week's game who will find out if that is the case the Jaguars have now fired their offensive coordinator, Daniel Hackett, Sumiko curious move to me. But what do I say this? If he were wondering as we talk about these guys who come back from hamstring injuries. And seeing if they look like they're really pass them for net. Looks like he's really passed it that about that. He has been awesome. As long as he has not been doing silly things. Like he did yesterday for the bills. Josh Allen was the best player on the field for them yesterday. Ninety nine rushing yards. The Sean McCoy seventeen Russia's for forty six yards. But it's hard to trust anybody on this bills offense. Now, that's karma right there. The Shawn McCoy. You know what I'm saying? No. I just thought it was the hot thing right now. Yeah. Sorry. I was just trying to keep it up. Don't get it. Either. The bills not have much in the way of fantasy football relevance. 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