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217: SJP Bridal, Saudi Arabia Fashion Week, Changes at Marc Jacobs

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217: SJP Bridal, Saudi Arabia Fashion Week, Changes at Marc Jacobs

"Hi, guys. This is Lisa and this is Kara not. It's not. Hello, welcome. You just hands. It appears that I have brought a couple of aunts from my apartment to marketing studio, and that means that something's wrong in my house. Are you sure they came for your house? I am one hundred percent sure. Because I've seen these ants frequently I have brought an increasing number of house plants into my life. And sometimes I put them outside for you know, to blow the stink off them and Florida problems. And then I think sometimes I bring some critters them had problems. You guys I turn on my AC on Sunday like for the season. Probably. Yeah, I'm still freezing. So I'm gonna try not to resent you. Adding my ass off. I it was a humid day, and I was determined to do YouTube ballet in my living room. I don't understand any of those words YouTube ballet, there's a youtuber I like called lazy dancer tips. And she does these ballet routines that are dislike flexibility core work programs. And I was doing it in my house because I didn't make it to the gym. And I was in. Sweating. And then I called my dad FaceTime to my dad, and he was like you're looking all sweaty. And I was like really hot here. And he's like, you should maybe turn the and I was like, but I like to keep it at a steady eighty two in here. Dad, love it. It's a hot house, which is why you get aunts. That's why I got ants because it's nice and warm and humid in there. So turn on the little bit try to cool it down. I mean, I keep my thermostat at seventy eight. So it's not like a break in the AC Bill. I'm warm weather critter. Anyway, how's your heating and electrical system doing freezing? Lisa. That's how it's good. The heat works AC works everything works. Everything's off. Right now are your light bulbs are in order for now. Remember when we used to do this at your house, and we would have to turn off the heat. Yes. And we would be freezing still do that girl. Yes. I know because it's still my lighter. Okay. We should do this faster. We turn. Off. So we won't have any like background noise and our lives, and you guys we have had issues with buzzing the past couple of weeks we are trying to figure out what's going on. When you're doing podcasting, especially to locations, there's about seventy five variables. So we are really working on trying to figure out how to stop the buzz. Just hanging with us. I'm like a low budget macgyver over here. Least I spent hours working on this problem. So if it's annoying you trust us. It's annoying us to were trying to figure it out the security people in my building are starting to worry about me and the with which they see me she's trying to find that buzz. I'm trying to find it and trying to stomp it out, man. Trouble shooting. But look he got to do. Thanks for hanging with us. I hope all of your heating and cooling systems are working excellently as well. Agreed with that. Let's start fashion news. Yeah. I have some retail news that is of interest to start with WalMart is close to finalizing a deal to buy a majority stake in flip cart. If you haven't heard a flip carts, probably because you don't live in. India flip car is the leading ecommerce company there, and it said to be at least twelve billion deal. That's about to go down with WalMart. Walmart is going to pay at least twelve billion dollars to get access to India's consumer base. So Amazon is ecommerce king in the US Alibaba has China like lockdown so India with a huge population of proximity. One point three billion people is the next major. Target flipchart did have competing proposals. But in according to insiders, WalMart is currently the front runner Amazon flip carts primary rival right now. But WalMart doesn't currently have an e commerce presence in India. Which would give fewer regulatory hurdles to jump through. If it were to enter this e space through flip cart. This is reporting from business of fashion. They said that flip cart was valued at twelve billion last year and WalMart's likely to end up buying sixty to eighty percent of the company which would be valued at about twenty billion. They're saying currently WalMart owns and operates twenty one best price modern wholesale stores in India, which is a membership wholesale store. It's basically like Sam's Club. And a sidebar to this is that Amazon while it doesn't seem to be a contender to buy flip cart, Amazon recently launched internet and putting that in finger quotes because that's what they're calling it. It is a data light mobile web browser for Android phones that promises data privacy. So India has the second largest internet user base in the world, primarily through cheap smartphones and plentiful data, but in some smaller cities more rural areas connections are still pretty slow and using the web can be frustrating and take forever. So Amazon has set up this web browser that's opposed to use less storage and less bandwith to make easier for people to access the internet. And we can only assume that Amazon would also want you to get online easier. So that you can maybe go to its website and by thanks. So India is the place to watch if you are interested in what's happening in ecommerce next. This is a story about woo. It's about Whoo. Doing customers. It's about wooing a business. It's about retail dating. It is as the Montagues and the Capulets, except it's WalMart and Amazon. It's about Lou. Hopefully, nobody dies in the end. Of sunshine on this show. We all die in the end. The surprise twist. No, India is a huge freaking market. I'm not surprised that WalMart is a contender that they want to be in this thing because there's a lot of money to be made here. I'm also interested in the logistics of how Walmer is going to get this done. But sounds like flip cart is already doing the damn thing and them buying them out helps that they don't have to start from nothing and a new country, which is smart on their end. But oh, my gosh, this Amazon WalMart thing is like ratchet up every single week. Like what's next who what are they buying? What are they doing? What country they in mistakes keep getting higher? They keep getting more international don't sleep on India, y'all. There's a lot of money there who it also makes me a little nervous further economy to and ES still has a lot of. Small business owners, and I worry about how they might get wiped out you you've been to India, but you didn't seem to instantly recognize when I was talking about flip car. I don't know if you've had any experience with flip car during your travels now, experienced many, many people India have phones, and it's just about that connection. Especially in rural areas. Exactly what you were saying. Yeah. So you didn't drop by any best price modern wholesale stores. Do you really think that I want to be at a Sam's Club in the middle of India? I don't think you want to be an Sam's Club in the United States. You know, who I am? You know, Lisa nothing makes me hyperventilate like a like a warehouse club store, although I do I appreciate the vats of manny's and mustard and she pot dogs. I don't think they have the cheap hotdogs in India, though, I think they're probably not something that carried over. But they probably also have Coca Cola products. I think that's a smart gas. That's my guess if you've been a best price wholesale best price. What does it? Call best price modern wholesale. If you've been there, please tell me what cheap food items, I can get near the cash registers in general or an India. No, India, I don't I think best price modern wholesale is only India, I'll just the name of the company best price. Modern wholesale is the name of the store that is a subsidiary of WalMart operating in India. They may have just while called it big ass door with big ass products. I thinking about this do they just refer to it as best price. Because that wouldn't we have best buy like that wouldn't seem strange to me. But like Deary, I'm going to best price mutter wholesale. Like sounds like a mouthful let short in that BPM w India listeners. I know you're out there. Please write in and tell us about your experiences with just about anything, actually. Okay. Next story. Let's talk about some more fashion musical chairs. John target left. Marc Jacobs after get this two months. Two months of working at the company. Target is a designer and the co founder of the label Baja east he joined Marc Jacobs to run the company's lower priced offerings. So Marc Jacobs used to have Marc by Marc Jacobs. And that was their lower priced designer goods. It did really. Well, so well. That it was bringing in about eighty percent of the company's revenue, but Marc Jacobs decided to get rid of that line and said they were going to consolidate some things come out with new product and target was going to be the head of that LVMH which owns Marc Jacobs said in a statement, quote, John Tarr, gone is a talented designer, and we appreciate the work. He has done here. Ultimately, working together did not make sense for the brand. And we wish him the best Rocard who good Basser, wait. So what was he doing prior to this role for two months? So he's the co founder of Baja east which is its own brand. And so he's going to go back to work on that company was a designer us working for that. Marc Jacobs has been through a lot the past couple months as Lisa reported a couple of weeks ago, he got engaged at japodlay. But the company as a whole has been going through some changes, many of the original designers were fired. Before target arrived. So he could bring in his own people. But now that he's gone they're gone to which means Marc Jacobs and his chief executive officer are starting from scratch. So what does it mean for the company? I think it remains to be seen. I'm a little confused by this news because I understand that he worked there for about two months and his purpose was to work on the lower the lower end of the price spectrum for Marc Jacobs. But they decided to consolidate those lines at least a year ago. So he was working on the next iteration of whatever that was it wasn't going to be marked by Marc Jacobs. They may have had some plant that they haven't announced to the public that we were unaware of conspiracy theory. Do you think he was brought in for the sole purpose of helping plan the flash mob at chapel lay? So Mark Jacobs could propose. I think he's too talented of designer just to do that. Although it is a curious theory that I would like to propose as well. I'm just about having theories that I can't back up. We'll consult the ouija board on that one. The man didn't even figure out how to use a coffee machine. What can you do it two months? Wait, do you know that for sure or no, I'm taking a guess about the first two months you have at a job anywhere. What are you learning? You're learning the person's name across from you. Her name is Brenda probably that coffee pot comment reminded me of an old school Gawker blind item where it would be like this liberty with a reputation of liking younger women was seen at the such and such. But it also seems very realistically. A new designer at very reliable fashion house can't figure out how to use the coffeemaker. No that I totally made up. Let's not start any rumors. I'm just guessing about what you can learn two months about your office. You're still get your see licks like you just figured out how your health insurance works. If that if you got it immediately, sometimes I'll wait ninety days. Yeah. He didn't make it ninety days. I'm not I'm not here to start rumors. I'm just here to perpetuate them. Fair enough. I don't know what happened. Just gotta be honest. All right. We'll keep our into the ground on that one anybody here isn't a good rumors. Let me now let's move on. There was a big fashion. News for Saudi Arabia, the country had its first fashion week Arab fashion week Riyadh was organized by the fashion council. It wasn't a smooth journey, but we got there so Arab fashion week Riyadh was going to start on March twenty fifth, but it was postponed after a ton of people including reporters buyers and models couldn't get their visas and time three weeks later. It was back on until forty five minutes before the first show on the first night. It got delayed again, the reason organizers gave was at the show tent was unfinished and unsafe. And there was some bad weather in the mix in this. So it's it's plausible. So that development led the Saudi government's general entertainment authority to take over production of the entire of that including the tent set up. They were like okay move over. We got this. Ticket sales were low some brands pulled out. But if I only happened this was a beautiful series of events male designers weren't allowed backstage before their shows. There was a ban on social media. It was an off female audience, and they were permitted to take off their abayas. But few did according to the New York Times, there wasn't much of a focus on modest fashion on the runway, it seemed from the photos, I saw to be primarily sort of a western silhouette happening. The designers included jumbo all TA Roberto Cavalli, those were two guest designers that were basically special events and then a variety of designers from around the Middle East one designer based in Riyadh who's pretty notable was. Ooh. God bless me for not screwing this name up. Let me do it mush L all Raji who designed St. wear and showed a collaboration with Nike on its first runway job. Just pretty cool. Oh, cool. Yeah. So part of the reason this event even happened is because there's a changing cultural scene in Saudi Arabia. The crown prince has led efforts to ease social restrictions, including lifting bans on movie theaters in the country and letting women drive so it's a time of pretty intense social change over there. So it sounds like this may be something that was not an easy feat for the first time around. But maybe something that can be really successful in coming years. It's great to hear the sounds like a valiant first effort even though things went wrong in the beginning. That's okay. Sometimes it takes awhile to figure things out that are logistic heavy, especially in a place. That's not used to throwing events like this. If you are. Working on the special event side of this bit a little frustrated. But that's okay. Like, they pulled it off and the ad which let's see some more of it. It's good start. There are photos from the runway shows because female photographers were allowed to be present. And they were at the end of the runway taking shots. So if you look up pictures from Arab fashion, wink Riyadh, there are some amazing photos of some amazing looks coming down the runway. So if you are looking for a runway fix now, all these other fashion weeks over just hit up this one check it out next door. Let's talk about fashion. Crime Fasching is about the subject is it is we're gonna talk about shoplifters and an alleged extortion scheme. Oh my God. I'm so here. I'm ready. Get the popcorn get the wine. This story is complicated. So you gotta hang in with me book. Hold on your butts theft from retailers last year accounted for almost forty nine billion dollars. And lost revenue. Shoplifting is a problem. That's not new news. But that number is really high. So companies have started outsourcing trying to solve the shoplifting problem. There is a company called corrective education company retail stores can hire this company to help reduce shoplifting. The idea is that corrective education company or C C for short acts as an aide to internal security personnel. They also help reduce calls to local police over shoplifting. Which is a big deal because police need to do other things instead of like worrying about somebody who stole a five dollar Brett somewhere petty theft shoplifters that get caught if that company uses C C are given a choice when they are held by security. They can wait for the bullies and possibly face charges and arrest or they can sign. A paper that is an admission of guilt. Pay a fee of between four or five hundred dollars and agree to take a six to eight hour class online that is aimed to deter. Left. Just let the police come. It's called their restorative Justice program. Oh, what what is this also corrective education, whatever sounds like detention. Yeah. It's detention that costs money. Yeah. Oh, Lordy, loo okay, go on for those people who choose to work with C C rather than deal with the police it is alleged that a portion of that fee is kicked back to the retailer the ec- gives you an option of working with them or dealing with the cops based on shoplifters qualification for the program allegedly. The CAC does a background check to see if you have a criminal record. If you have a criminal record. Of course, the likelihood of you working with them. Instead of the cops goes up a bunch of shoplifters got together and said this kind of sounds like extortion. Shoplifters fighting back, WalMart, Bloomingdale's and Abercrombie and Fitch are facing a class action lawsuit. It has to be noted too that these companies have come out in a statement to say that they don't work with see anymore. So the plaintiffs in this case are looking for an unspecified amount of damages. We don't know how much can four and they want the court to rule that the program is in violation of the racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act. You might get hit with the Rico. This means they wanna hold the retail companies accountable for using this company. The CAC says the company no longer offers those kickback payments to retailers and they don't call and kickbacks to call them reimbursements. What am us? What a mess. The sounds so dangerous and so many ways sounds shitty. Sounds like a shitty option. I think it's okay. Okay. If stores are exploring different ways to deal with shoplifters because it is a drain on them during a time when margins are getting thinner, but saying either deal with the cops or deal with this outside company. And by the way, you have to pay them. It's a little shady. Yeah. It's real shady, and like I'm from a city where we had a jail cell in the football stadium. So like, I'm used to some shady shit. Okay. Philly girl, this is real bad. This is this just sounds not right, especially where like I feel like I have no date on this. I have no date on this. But anecdotally, I would sir. My is that a lot of shoplifters are not exactly high income people. So they're shoplifting for whatever reason. Right. And you're like you can get out of this. If you pay five hundred where where are you going to get five hundred dollars and you have to take their online class person X two eight hours. It's weird. I barely took driver's Ed for six to eight hours. And they let me on. They should actually do not record. It's clean. Now. It's clean. Now. What did you do? Did you pay somebody four to five hundred dollars to clear your record and took another class? No fell off my record because it was so long that I didn't have a car and insurance that now my records clean. Oh, that's the vote of confidence for my sense of. Adulthood right there. Yeah. This is shady is shit man Rico. I don't know too much about that do you know other things about it. Do you know to too much about it? She was about to say, I know too much about a lot of things. Racketeering is tricky by the time. You're starting to wonder if you're seeing it you you're probably seeing it it kind of hits you over that. I feel like racketeering doesn't get talked about enough. 'cause we talk about antitrust in collusion's. Sometimes when we talk about these big mergers with internet companies, and in Facebook, and I feel like racketeering is like the sleeper, can you define racketeering, which is different than being a Rocketeer, which I found out can you define racketeering, while I'm looking up the proper definition. Can you tell us the fucker rockets here is it's based on an old movie the row? Yeah. I hate that movie movie scares me that movies. Terrified me never make me watch that movie racketeering is when you offer a service that is dishonest to solve a problem that wouldn't otherwise exist without you, offering the service this fits that definition. When you make a business to fix a problem. But you created the problem? So it's it's a racket. It's it's a lot of the time it's attached to organized crime like the mob. He just make it hit with the Rigo. As Drake would say Susana Drake song. I'll tell you all about racketeering, Drake. Canadian treasure an expert in organized crime. I guess well, I look forward to the outcome of that class action lawsuit since WalMart and Bloomingdales whoever else Advocaat, don't oh Abercrombie since these companies are saying they don't work with this company anymore. I wonder if the class action will have to get dismissed or if it will be valid for the time period that the alleged extortion took place during I'm not sure how that's going to happen. You're asking the right questions because the C E C, and this shady stuff that's been going on. On is actually old news. They've been reported on before the terms of this case about what stores new, and when they fired them is really the new news in this. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. Is you love the fact that it's a bunch of shoplifters who are banning together and saying let's fight back, which no one's that simple mistake should drain their Bank account or be a strike against them for the rest of their life. You know, what I mean like I don't agree with shoplifting. But I think the bigger problem here is a company that's making big bucks off of remediate this problem. Yes. Yeah. Who restorative Justice? L let's move on. Let's talk about something. I hate bring. It hate is a strong word, but I'm going to bring it out for today. We've reached peak merchandise y'all if you've ever wondered what isn't pop fashioned sell shirts. This news item is probably the reason why the cut is expanding into branded merchandise. The cut is a very popular section of New York magazine, it's focused towards women. Culture, cool stuff. I read it all the damn time. They do a ton of fashion news. And I love it. Yes. They are great editor and chief Stella bug be told women's wear daily. We sat around in my office and decided what made us laugh, and what would make a funny t shirt. Really? It was the cut staff saying, yeah, I'd wear that. So they're doing an initial run of thirty two shirts, which are modelled on the quote cards that the cut posts on Instagram, which includes phrases in the magazine signature fund, including phrases, like my other shirt Kaftan or I bit beyond say or what do Jared Nevada do all day. These are twenty five dollars. A pop new ones are going to be added weekly. So quote, it capitalizes on whatever people are talking about are joking about in a given week and makes a little ephemeral record of that, unquote. I hate this. Tell me why you hate it. I think it's merch for the sake of merch. I think when you're updating weekly capitalizes on that aspect of fleeting internet moments. And I do not think it is worth making a shirt for something that was popular this week. And may not have staying power devil's advocate. What if they hit on something that goes like gangbusters, for instance, they did one with Cardi B's saying let me fat and peace? Wait is this way. You emailed me today that I didn't open where I went on this rant. I'm sorry. I didn't read your Email in a timely fashion. All I said was you said it was going to happen. It happened. They put it on a shirt because I'm a suit Sayer. And so what if they hit on something that goes like gangbusters ad they sell tens of thousands of unit of something is it a smart business decision. First of all, I hope if that happens. It's the let me fat and shirt. Is it a smart business for them in a time where web entities and print publications are still trying to figure out their best form of earning revenue? Yeah, I think it's a smart business decision. But I think it's a bad decision for the planet. Yeah. What are we gonna do walk into goodwill a year from now and find a bunch of beyond say t shirts? Yes, biard. Yeah. We are linked to me that I. I it sounds like they're making them because the staff thinks it's fun, which is fine. But I don't think the world needs this. If it wasn't t shirts, would you be onboard? Well, funny, you mentioned because they aren't ruling out expanding into other categories, like Topaz, monks, and even bumper stickers. Let me tell you guys, none of us need, more tote bags. You have plenty I have plenty. And I I know they're really hard to resist because they're really cute, but we all have plenty of TOA bags. And I mean, it's a tough spot because these these kinds of phrases and cultural moments other people are out there capitalizing on them and making shirts have Cardi B quotes, and mugs that say you have as many hours in the day is beyond say, but I don't know if the cut needs to be a part of that. I don't know either. I don't know how I feel about it. I don't especially hold it against them that they are trying out different business model. I don't like the idea that a lot of it's going to end up in landfills. Like, there's a reason why we don't have any fashion T shirts. People ask us about all the time. Like, I'm really against it because I don't want to add to that cycle. But I also know that like you gotta make money that the news business news to figure out different ways to bring in cash. It's just not a need. I'm torn on it. Yeah. Car is over there. Scrambling to cancel her order of the Cardi B. Let me fat and shirt that she ordered for me. No. Although that would be a really great idea. That would have been really funny if you were like, oh, and I ordered it for you surprise. No it cost twenty five dollars. I can put that together myself with some fell letters from the AC more like I used to high school. Let's talk about a collaboration that we both liked before got on the air though. This is a different story. But it's so funny. Anti ends pretzel company that you find in the mall came out with a fashion line. And I was prepared not to like it. But it's pretty darn cute. Leeson? I looked at it before to recording. And she liked it too. Like, we were surprised that the artwork was as pew Ling as it is. They have this pair of tennis shoes that is absolutely adorable. I can't eat gluten anymore. So I don't think I can purchase this because at the pretzel. But what did you think of it? Wait, you can't you can't get the shoes because of your gluten intolerance. I don't know if it's an intolerance. First of all, I don't wanna wear pretzels because it'll just taunts me. Okay. That's fair. I'm sorry. I told you in great detail about myself, pretzels III last night. I wanted to hear about it so bad. You're like was there. Salt on that tell me how taste it. So you liked that collection? Correct. Yes. And I think the reason I like it is because we've seen some of these other collaborations where I think we could consider them fast food chains all of them have come out with the merchandise. But these seem to be really mindfully made their in collaboration with artists that they very loudly shouted out in their press release, and I don't even like anti ns, pretzels, which I know is like sacrilege, I'm a big pretzel fan, but I'm from Philly in that is not a Philly pretzel auntie ns, it's a different thing. But I love pretzels in general and national pretzel day is coming up. Why do I know this don't ask and the designs are really cute, and they're not super over the top and nowhere on any of it. Is it obvious that it's anti Ann's? There's the familiar color scheme that, you know, a lot of the stuff the shape of the cartoon pretzels are very. Very familiar, but there's a shower curtain, and it's I think it's called like crazy day, and it's all this random shit happening with soft pretzels, it's really cute. And if I was in the market for a new shower curtain, I might get it just because it's fun and cheerful. And it doesn't say NTN's really big on it. You know, I think this is a win. So the difference between what the cut is doing and what auntie Ann's is doing has to do with artistry ultimately acid with artistry. It has to do with longevity to. I think the pretzel collaboration is something that is not just a flash in the pan. I think it stuff that could be cute for multiple seasons. Or if it was a piece of home where like they have throw pillows and blankets, and I think if you have that in your home, if you got it in length at you would still like it years from now, it's not based on a flurry of internet activity. Which could be fleeting. Yep. Got it. Because the cuts putting me on a shirt and times new Roman. How about you? We're going to transition to talking about Romain lettuce for a minute. So much remained last week. I'm surprised I'm still here. Among you up my salad game the week. That led us goes bad. That just shows you need to be eating more pretzels Lisa to last night while I was on the phone with you at was jelly. I know they're so good. Yeah. I don't know these these kinds merch. Merch I have complicated feelings about merch because as much as I'm like, we don't need more of this. I am also very much drawn to the attractive versions of it. While said so file interpersonal problems. What else you got? We're gonna talk about which in-store tech offerings do shoppers really care about. Ooh, what does the data? Tell us a company called H R C, retail advisory. Did a recent survey with consumers about what they want in stores. It was done with three thousand people or the asked him about the questions, and I want to share some of the findings with you ninety five percent of shoppers said they want to be left alone in stores. Yeah. That's me. Ninety five percent Lisa. It is very loud and clear. This cracked me up. Leave me. Own eighty five percent consumers want to be able to check prices at price. Scanners rather than having to talk with sales associate agree only seventeen percent of people who responded said that they wanted dressing room technology. Meaning they have all these really complicated machines now that you can point and like, touch if you need a different size or you can look at what it looks like in different colors or whatever only seventeen percent of people are interested in not everybody else's like. Yeah. No. And this is the thing. That's the prize me. Only nineteen percent said retailers special events were important in store offerings. Oh, so public shop sip and shop, etc. Etc. People coming in and doing demonstrations runway, whatever and a store people don't care so much about that. Now, a caveat to that is generation Z was a little bit more open to it. I can't remember the exact number, but it was like twenty three percents of. If people wanted it, but that's still pretty low considering how many stores put money and time into special events in order to drive customers. Yeah. Generation Z just isn't Jada. They're not busy enough to to not want in store events the dressing room. Factoid does not shock me. Because I feel like we still have beef with the basics of dressing rooms, like the lighting, the number of hooks the place to sit I feel like we haven't mastered the basics of dressing rooms enough to start adding technology. Amen. You would think that stuff that we want address are pretty straightforward because most of us don't want to be there and first place in addressing room taking off our clothes in order to try something on I'd so make that process seamless as possible and maybe been at the tech. This was interesting people typically don't want input from sales associates like, oh, you look so good in that. Oh, he's tried another color. They don't want that input. But they wa. To get an opinion from their friends and family. This means they want to take a picture put it on social media or take a picture and send it to somebody. That's why a lot of shoppers want free wifi and stores. So they can have an interactive experience. They just don't want that interactive experience to be with the sales associate customers want it to be an easy experience. And it sounds like a private one not five percent ninety five percent Akhoon believe it. And by couldn't. I mean, I did believe it are you in that ninety five percent. Oh, that's why I exclusively wear headphones in stores every time. I interest store. I have headphones on really obvious that I'm wearing it. Which is funny because even though I wanna be left alone. I talked to everybody in store when I walk in. That's because you wanna make friends and your nice to people, and I'm like, no don't want any of that. I'm really nice. And there are also some stores where I know that I need to be ready to talk to people. Because I don't know what the initiative is at my local CVS, but everybody in that damn store says hi to me, and I know some of them like, I know Ray, I know miss Loretta. I should maybe not go to CVS as much. I just realized that maybe I'm there. That they're like her. Okay. Lease. Anyway, this is particularly interesting because of some stuff that we saw way back in the day in January at the national retail federation show because one of the things that got drilled home was the idea that loyalty programs are something that can be improved with the use of technology in the store. So we were talking about facial recognition. We were talking about loyalty programs that recognize a customer that's in the store and can cater to them better. So if you walked into a store car in an I'm working behind the counter and your face pops up on the little ipad screen and says Kearns here. She likes any ends, pretzels. I know to be like, hey, KARN has your data. Do you get a pretzel? And and then I cut you. And then you probably stabbed me and run out and go join the shoplifting ring that is suing the corrective agency. Yeah. And it's it's everybody's really excited about it on the retail side. Right. But I think on the customer. Side the introductory period. For that kind of technology is going to have to be really slow, and I think the benefits to the customer are going to have to be really obvious because I don't want anybody to address me by name when I'm walking into a store. I just don't want that experience. But if there was a loyalty program where I really enjoyed the brand. And they knew the shade foundation that I wear so I don't have to remember it every single time. I buy it that IBM to that. I can do. Yeah. But the difference is that you would walk up to someone in the store and say, hey, I'm a loyal member. Can you look up my shade of foundation or you could go to a kiosk or something, but you are the one who's making the approach not the sales associate. Honestly, do sales associates wanna be having to approach people in this way. I was wondering about that. When I was reading the study because I know a lot of sales associates are pushed by the company and by man. To say talk to everybody talk to everybody multiple times and everybody just wants to be left alone. When I was working as a sales associate one thing that I loved to do was to help people with clothes. I've loved it. I loved funding outfit for somebody. But I also knew that if I pushed it and the customer didn't what that they would get really irritated. There's a fine line here. I think there may be creative ways to help people and away they feel comfortable. But right now what I'm seeing is that what retailers think that customers want and what customers actually want. There is a huge gap between those two things. Yeah. The other thing that we haven't brought up is that communication between sales associates and customers can often set a precedent for what the level of security is at the store, and by that I mean, you may be less likely to shoplift. If you know that everybody who works in that store is gonna make it for it to talk to you. You know, so back to the shoplifting ring. They weren't even shoplifting. Ring. I just want them to be they were just a group of shoplifters loosely connected by look, I'm just saying that anecdotally, I don't have any research off the top of my head. But when I worked as a sales associate, and when I had my shop, you talked to every person who came in the door because you wanted them to know, I'm paying attention, and I am here to help. But I'm also paying attention which is about loss prevention, of course, mic sense. So maybe you greet them. And then get out of the way if you want them to spend money in your shop. Here's what we do. I go in and I talked to the people, right? I talked to everybody in the store you come in with me, but you peel off your headphones on and just grabbing stuff. That's how we would do it. If look we're not in the same place. So we're not gonna shoplifted damn thing. I can't shop left because I have too much guilt. I've never been able to I've never stolen anything, and that's on purpose because I just can't live with the guilt near not even Catholic. I don't understand that. If you like we have it locked down in the guilt category. But here you are just walking in with your phones on like and can't because you're a good person. All right next door. We're gonna talk about Sarah. Jessica Parker because she has a new bridal line. She is collaborating with guilt on a ten piece collection. As part of the launch gilts will also offer fifteen exclusive styles of her footwear collection, and those pieces can go with the clothes that can go with the bridal collection or you can buy them on their own. It's not just bridal gowns. It is clothing for a bachelorette party or wedding breakfast. So she created a wedding breakfast. Oh, have you not been to one of those? Are you talking about the brunch? The day after. Yeah. That is not a time. When I'm at my best. Have you been to a few those? Yeah, I've been hung over for a few of those. I think everybody it's not a great time to see. Anyone especially when you're supposed to be on good behavior moving on. So I don't know what the designs are yet. I haven't seen them. They're not released yet. But there is a sleeveless bodysuit, a jumpsuit and max Kurtz that prices for the clothing between two hundred ninety five dollars and two thousand four hundred dollars. The sizes are zero to fourteen the shoes are between three fifty and four eighty five and a statement about the collection. Sarah. Jessica Parker said quote, the intent is that they should be usable outside of that special occasion. Whether you're the person walking down the aisle, or you're attending these are all pieces that should be relevant in your closet. Yeah. If you're skinny there's a lot on pack here because I think this is a missed opportunity come on only size fourteen. Give me a break huge missed opportunity. Big mistake. Huge. Also, this is what every bride tells. Oh, you could reuse the dress now. But you can't you can't reuse the dress never ever ever cut it up and throw it away right now. She also has a pop up location for her shoes in New York City, and it's at six west fifty second street about the location. She said, quote, it's a little bit off. We're not right on either avenue. We have the twenty one club across the street. But that's a particular person. We're having to be very creative with how we market we have no marketing dollars. Lisa. What is going on here? Everyone who's ever worked in PR is rolling over in their graves, even if they're living there like gimme a grave to roll in particular kind of customer. Wait. What is this one club? Is it a nightclub? It's a nightclub. It's a former Speakeasy that now has a restaurant and has events. Okay. Okay. Sarah. Jessica, I feel like the problem with these particular customers is that they don't show up until after your store closes. I think that's the only problem with them. But this is a person that right here in the statement. I feel like she's saying the store's not doing very well. Oh, she's one hundred percent staying saying that she's not happy with how this or is doing. And how does Sarah Jessica Parker and her store not have any marketing dollars? Do they get wasted somewhere else? She said the main way that they are marketing is through Instagram, which is not a bad plan. But it's also I would think you would have another type of budget somewhere. There's just so much going on here, it it'd be one thing if she was like, yeah, we're we're we're location. The foot traffic is not what we expected totally got. It totally understand. I don't know if I would understand that. Because why would you mitt that when you're trying to promote your collection? Like, I think it's real I kind of lake somebody saying especially somebody who is a star saying, hey, this may not be working out. It is kind of refreshing to hear that. But I don't know if this was the best move. I it's refreshing to hear her admit that it's not going to play on. But I think if she had spoken about it in a little more general terms, I think that the grave would not be so deep to use an analogy that I'm just clinging to I think it's fine to say it's not going quite as we plans. And I think location is a part of that problem. Do you think that coming out with the bridal wear collection is a good idea? It's terrible idea. I'm asking because J crew gap just shut their bridal lines so shit. Yup. Maybe this is a good place to play. I don't think the the price point is great. But it's also a lot better than like a designer forty thousand dollar down. It's not ten thousand dollars is closer to three thousand dollars. But maybe there's some room to play here. Yeah. These prices are a half step up from wedding way. They're in line with what J crew had and they're in line with what the policy has anthropology is killing on bridal, right? Yeah. There might be some room here and people who like, Sarah, Jessica, Parker style. Love her style. Right. Like, she's got a good core group of style fans. I think she has like you said room the play here. And I like that one of the. Pieces of JR. Is a jumpsuit because not everybody wants a Princess gal. When they get married. Like, that's an interesting alternative to the typical dress pants all day pants all night. Yeah. She talked a little bit more and said that the guilt collection will eventually go into her own stores, but it's going to be sold exclusively their first. And then we'll go to her stores or her pop ups. That's fine. I'm all about having a test market. Yeah. A collaboration with guilt. Sounds like a good idea to you. So I think there's some fun stuff here. But just that quote about her pop up through me. I was like why are you talking about this girl girl on my next trip to New York? I'm a stop by this one club because it sounds like it's fun. And I'll look across the street, and I'll be like, they're just Parker store. It's closed 'cause it's late. Should we move on to listener letters? Yes. Okay. I have some food for that. And I have a request for advice. Let's start with the ladder. This is a note from Alexandra who says. I've been trying to figure out where I'd be happiest in the fashion industry. I believe I found my happiest place, fashion and sports, my podcast playlist is literally fashion and sport Spock, hassle me. So I'm wondering what kind of jobs exist where I can marry. My two loves helped me I was thinking maybe sourcing for football teams apparel division at Google this and can't find any sources lash job titles slash speakers. I could potentially go see speak. She says she lives in Philly, and she's always looking for reasons to go to New York to see people speak on fashioned, topics. She says, okay, I'm rambling. I would really love your feedback. What do we have Alexandra? I just researched last night. And let's see if I can remember. I looked up fashion and sports jobs, and where they enter sect and came up with a few types of jobs was doing design fashion design the jobs that I was finding were more about athletes wear for companies that were sports related. So you can't go that direction. If you want to design athlete, you're wear for a brand if you wanted to design shoes for a sports label those jobs, you can totally go after another type of job was doing sales for sports companies. So an example is I found an Adidas job and Chicago that was the regional sales person for their I wear their fashioned. I wear which I thought was pretty cool. And then the final one the final category. I found was doing merchandising in sports stores with their apparel. So you go in and make sure that the brand presence was consistent amongst stores. And that's really what I was finding. Because I don't know too much about sports ball. My guess is that we have some listeners who can contribute to this subject and give more things that I wasn't even thinking about. But Lisa, did you have ideas? Yeah. I sort of with you on the sports adjacent design category. Because I think a key thing term member here is that a lot of brands that aren't distinctly sport. Brands are more focused on performance fabrics and innovation and I think there's a lot of overlap between that and actual sports like athletic inspired athletic motivated and actually athletics. This is something that comes through from like beta brand and close that you can wear to work and wear out later. It goes all the way to brands like under armor, which seem to be doing a lot with new technology in their athletic gear. So I would look at those brands that you're interested in that may not be sports brands, but may maybe working on. Similar items or using similar fabrics. As what you're interested in. What you're noticing. And I think you're gonna have to like if you've got job searches saved. They're probably gonna have to be in the fashion realm. I don't think football is going to be your best search term to get returns. I think sticking with like fashion, merchandising fashion like RND. Yeah. I think brands is probably the way to go and not being married to the idea of going directly to a sports brand is wise. But that being said, we definitely want to open this up to listeners because I know a lot of you work in various industries and Noah lot more than in about sports ballots. Face it. Yeah agree. Yeah. Man. I would love to work for a sports team doing uniform, design and selection. But you know, what a lot of those teams have uniforms in collaboration with big brands like Nike and Adidas etcetera etcetera. So it's not it's not somebody from the Philadelphia Eagles front office. Who's like what color? We're gonna make the jerseys this year, keep keep searching. We'll keep thinking. And I feel like our listeners are gonna write in. What's help? I'm counting on you listeners know pressure another letter that is a long one stick with me on this. But it's it's good stuff. Okay. This letter is from David who says I recently listened to your episode discussing the Amazon echo, look and the style. Algorithm used to guide fashion decision making whenever I hear of new technologies designed to influence consumer behaviour amiably start to contemplate the ways it could potentially be manipulated or misused this technology could potentially be viewed as relatively mundane, and trivial too many people to Kearns point many people simply don't care about the clothes. They put on and maybe more than willing to lies an algorithm to get dressed, however in the current social. Political climate support or protest can easily be expressed through color choice alone. There are varying levels to which the algorithm could create intended or unintended levels of expression. Here are few examples scenarios a user may be totally oblivious to the fact that it seemed Patrick's Day, however, the algorithm suggests the user green the perception may be the person support Saint Patrick's Day, or very least isn't against it. In sports, many teams participate in whiteouts or blackouts or other colors during the playoffs. Offense are encouraged to wear the specified color, Alexandra. Where are you? This is we're we're hitting overlap here. David says again, if he user is out of touch with sports here, she may unknowingly be in support or opposition of particular team based on color choice. Finally, I'm potentially more impactful would be colors associated with political groups, if a political national convention or gathering is being held in our particular city for short period, it could be overrun with one particular color, generally, red or blue if the algorithm happened to. Suggest a color of support or opposition. These are could be in for many unintended consequences. This can come in the form of being targeted as a potential outsider or being part of the group user would not voluntarily ever want to be associated with these types of issues would likely require massive usage of the service to cause a lot of major problems. However, it is something to consider going forward. If the service becomes common there could potentially be a day where you and eighty percent of your co workers wearing the same color without realizing you're actually part of a silent protest or silence a port for an unknown potentially. Sinister. 'cause love the podcasts keep it up. Damn david. It's a great point to bring up that you can stumble and do these things without realizing it because what do we always say fashion is political fashion is political gas. It's something to keep in mind that I didn't really think about a lot. But you're right. And a practical example that is coming. To top of mind is many people feel like they can't wear red hats anymore. Red caps. Oh, I was doing some reading about this because they automatically feel like it's a Societa d- with make America. Great again. Whether they believe in order, not and so they've decided to stop wearing it. And that's something simple where a red hat a red hat. But is it really because we're living in a context that has to do with what that object means politically, it's a great point to bring up. Yeah. I was once perusing a dating app with a friend in this guy came up an hour's. Oh, he's cute. She's like he's got the Nazi haircut. I'm like what what do you mean? And it was during the last election are soon there after and the far far far far right is where Nazis are right. This particular style of haircut on guys can be associated with a. Regular very far right-leaning group, and that can be you have to know that it's a thing to be able to have a feeling about it. Right. Because otherwise you're just like it's a haircut. I've known people who decided to style their hair different late for that exact reason right now. And it's because that haircut was being associated with that group. You can't take it out of context. Which is a great reminder. It was a good letter. Thank you. That was a good. That was good. Good letter. And I'm so cohere that was a great letter. I I was like what is this long thing? Then I took a minute. And I was like damn David back again in the white vans. I was waiting for it. It was damn Daniel. Right. That was what that mean was see how many damn Daniel shirts are out there. Just wasting away for stores. I'm gonna go back to my me. Mark. I still think it's funny. Daniela's one of my favorites teen Daniel Daniel, right? Yeah. Back again in the white fans. It's so funny. He's makes me happy this week. If you want to get in touch with us, go Choo, pop fashion, podcast dot com. You can also find us on Instagram at pop fashion podcast. If you want to leave us a review June's helps out KARN fever time. Tell me your one good thing. I have a great one good thing this week. It's not going to be as good as my McCoy ahead. Oh competition who knew today today. It is. My one good thing is Mary's list. It's merry M. I R Y S L I S T dot org. It is an organization that helps new refugee families, and they are awesome. Because they found a practical solution to a problem that is helping people get settled once they moved to the United States as you can imagine refugees. Don't have a lot of stuff when it comes to the US. They put an home, but they may not have practical items to make their life work, especially the first few months, what this organization does is that publishes lists of what people need on Amazon. And so you can go in click an item pay for an item and the item gets shipped to them. You don't need to know their address. It's hidden. But you can help supply basic needs for refugee families. Also, the organization tells you a little bit about the different families, many people were working with United States overseas. And then their lives of got threatened because of it, and that's why they had to move and many times they couldn't bring things with them. Sometimes they need things like refrigerators and couches, and that might be a little too much for your budget. But they need some basic things like sponges and a spatula, and that might be something you can help out with with your budget. I looked at some of the list today, they make it. So so easy such a smart idea. Also quick note if you go in a listen a bunch of really expensive items it's because everybody else bought all the other things like like a wedding registry. Yeah. Yeah. The fun thing is some of the lists were completed which means that families taking care of awesome. It's Marie's list. M I R Y S L I S T dot org. A great one one good thing. That is a great thing. It's gonna make mine really self centered. No last week my monkey thing was fluffy. But okay. So tell me what you got. I watched a feature film in the past week that I loved you may have heard of it. It was entitled the net. Sorry, sandra. Bullock, how did we get here? Again, Lisa because I finally watched the movie and I loved it a love this movie. I you knew I was gonna love this movie. Right. I did not know that. No, I did not. I was amazed at how much I love this movie, it's super dated, and it the laptops are as big as my whole body. And the car phone was attached to occur cord in the car in nineteen ninety five. But this movie still has a really decent plot. I have watched some other films adjacent to this recently. The others pale in comparison one is hackers which listener told me is better than the net. No, you're wrong. But thank you for your suggestion. I don't really regret the two hours. I spent watching hackers. I do regret the two hours that I spent this weekend watching Johnny mnemonic, and I'm never gonna get that time back now girl have you seen this bad movie? I think parts of it have you seen the part where Kiana Reeves ice tea and a dolphin save the world. That's the best part. You guys. You're looking for a movie from the nineties about the internet pass on hackers? Don't go anywhere near Johnny mnemonic, go for the net. It's still a solid movie. Does Sandra Bullock's performance? Still hold up. It's still really good. I think it's still a good performance because this is ninety center bullet, which is tip top Bullock stage. Yeah, there's a tiny bit of slapstick in it that I love it. Just a smidge. It's it's like classic sandy. And I love how you say it like, you know, her I've been house in New Orleans and by Ben too. I mean stood outside the gate. You mean stocks stock? Oh. On a walking tour an audio walking tour with some friends, and it pointed out, oh, if you look over here that Sandra Bullock's house in New Orleans and her newspaper was out front. And I was like should I throw it through the fence and give it to her and everybody was like don't touch anything. Let's keep walking. It'll take a picture. I love you. She needed her so many times pick a, you know, it was raining. Yeah. She's great. I the net. I finally watched it. I got it from the library. Lisa. You did a thing. I'm very proud of you. Finally, you saw the movie I had a hair of a moment right now when I was like shit that I return it to. Yes, I did return to libraries all thank you offer bearing with me during the four years that I alluded to this movie without ever having seen it. And that part of our lives together is over. And with that everybody, we love you. Thank you. We will talk with your next week goodbye.

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Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

Little Gold Men

02:32 min | 5 months ago

Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

"There are a lot of ways to tell this story we stopped at the Ritz. To pick up madam it was donatella oversaw cheese I showed the blood. Red Tuxedo that Tom tour designed for achieve when if paltrow war at it was marriage as lodge it was clueless Calvin Klein proud. And product and I'd be like, no Christian Dior. Would walk through the store they only withhold nine, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty years ago but it certainly doesn't feel that way I am. I'm Marc Jacobs. Isaac Mizrahi I'm Hamish Bowles folks global editor at large invoke. The nineteen nineties is a podcast about the decade that changed us this explosion of fashion and celebrity. It was very real. It was not a manufactured moment like a divine like sort of perfect storm everything coming together and the fashion we just can't let go slip dresses with combat food on the bias when piece of fabric and there was. A lot of bold colors, a lot of designer purses. Now, I was wearing a pantsuit pearls and jewels for something that we have to do. Every day dressing also is more than just the clothes we put on our backs, the complexity, the woman, the complexity of life, and playing the different throwers choose to buy. That's it. All started seven easy pieces. It's expression style and sense of fashion pry it's. Our, and it's real life the East village pump queer seeing it's fantasy on the Concorde and partying with Donatella or Sasha, and being to wear anything you want unreality you can't sleep if you're in the bash business in the ninety s, the world took ownership of fashion for a long time. The idea of fashion dictatorship in pools about what was right wrong fashioned wolves in general ranch time fat and. What we aspire to in the nineties, everybody was looking at things going like, wow, look we can do. We still feel the effects of the ninety s in how we live how we communicate the influence of the nineties has never and it is still seen as this decade of immense creativity from vogues editorial team and presented by ANA wind up listen to Imbo the nineteen ninety s every Thursday starting seventeenth. Nissim subscribe on the PODCASTS spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

What I Wore When

02:32 min | 5 months ago

Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

"There are a lot of ways to tell this story. We stopped at the Ritz to pick up madam it was donatella oversaw cheese I showed the blood Red Tuxedo that Tom tour designed for cheating. When if paltrow war at it was marriage as lodge it was clueless Calvin Klein proud. And product and I'd be like no Christian. Dior. Would walk through the store they only withhold nine, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty years ago but it certainly doesn't feel that way I am. I'm Marc Jacobs. Isaac Mizrahi I'm Hamish Bowles folks global editor at large invoke. The nineteen nineties is a podcast about the decade that changed us this explosion of fashion and celebrity. It was very real. It was not a manufacturer moment like a divine like sort of perfect storm everything coming together and the fashion we just can't let go slip dresses with combat food on the bias when piece of fabric and there was A lot of bold colors, a lot of designer purses. Now, I was wearing a pantsuit pearls and jewels for something that we have to do. Every day dressing also is more than just the clothes we put on our backs, the complexity, the woman, the complexity of life, and playing the different. So what we choose to buy, that's it. All started seven easy pieces. It's expression style and sense of fashion pry. It's our and it's real life the East village pump queer seeing it's fantasy on the Concorde and partying with Donatella or Sasha and being to wear anything you want unreality you can't sleep if you're in the bash business in the ninety s, the world took ownership of fashion for a long time. The idea of fashion dictatorship in pools about what was right wrong fashioned wolves in general ranch time fat. And what we aspire to in the nineties everybody was looking at things going like, wow, look we can do. We still feel the effects of the ninety s in how we live how we communicate the influence of the nineties has never and it is still seen as decade of immense creativity from vogues editorial team and presented by ANA wind up listen to Imbo the nineteen ninety s every Thursday starting seventeenth. Nissim subscribe on Apple Podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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215: Nine West Fashion, RIP Polyvore, Karl Lagerfeld in SoHo

Pop Fashion

57:44 min | 3 years ago

215: Nine West Fashion, RIP Polyvore, Karl Lagerfeld in SoHo

"Hey, guys. This is Lisa and this is Karen. And this is what fashion. It's too pastry Tuesday as we're recording. Yes, it is to pastry Tuesday. But might I remind you that if you're listening to this on Thursday or any day that starts with a T. It may also be to pastry day for you. I to cupcakes. What kind of cupcakes were they free ones? How did you get said free cupcakes? Well, it all started yesterday. Do did you do? When someone delivered cupcakes to the office, and when I say cupcakes, I mean, plenty of cupcakes see yesterday eight three of them full-size cupcakes. Do people just randomly deliver stuff to your office. It was it was a vendor we've been working with. So I'm not saying they owed us, but I wasn't turn down that treat. They also dropped off mimosa ingredients. Ooh. But I'm on antibiotics. Life is hard for me. I've been really loaded up on the cupcakes lately. What kind of cupcakes I had some chocolate and some vanilla. Here's what made these companies worth. It is the icing wasn't just the whipped kind. That has no flavor and just tastes like regret. It was thicker sugary or icing like the kind you get in a can from Dunkin Hines who right? It makes all the difference. I'm still on my stupid anti-inflamation diet. So I haven't had the stuff in a while. So when you're talking about it, I'm like tuck about it. Slowly. And you say still, but I think still for you means forever. I don't know. Yes. But I can't think about it in those terms because it is a little overwhelming. So Stewart for today. So you're just gonna have me talk, really, slowly and elaborately about food. I'm eating can you tell me how it's whipped again. So showed we got on the camera, and I showed car and the Cadbury mini that I had just housed before the recording. Because they were too for four twenty nine at Publix. But there were like, I swear they're like twenty little eggs in this package. They're gone now. I got them on Sunday. They're gone now. I think leftover Easter candy is the best candy. Right. It's always so good. It's less. It's a little less sad than the leftover Valentine's Day candy. Yeah. Where you just cry and eat it. Yeah. But I'm still rejoicing in the power of the Lord rising girl every day. You got a person that Lord every day by eating Cadbury cream eggs. It's connected. Don't question it and with your behavior and your works are behavior and works the same thing. I'm clearly not a preacher. I should a higher not a role model. Let's move on. I don't know how we got here. But I am enjoying the awkwardness of it. It's like when I backed myself into that, moral and ethical corner. And I'm like kinda why work my way out of this situation and still be able to talk to my mother. I know how you work your way out of it. You talk about fashion crime bashing. It's the object. I'm walking around like, where's the crime? I'm about to tell you is it is it a lawsuit and is a lawsuit last week. If you guys remember, we told you about Hudson's bay, and how they may be perhaps lost five million credit card numbers because somebody hacked into their system allegedly allegedly this week there is a class action lawsuit that started because people wasted no time on jumping on that train file that lawsuit when you're angry. So that data breach was with Lord and Taylor and Saks stores this week ah shopper is pursuing five million dollars in a class action lawsuit against the parent company Hudson's bay it's going to happen in a California federal court. The lawsuit accuses the company of allowing the breach to occur for almost a full year because they had inadequate data security. It's a pretty good reason to sue them because it was the longest breach that I'm aware of it sounded kind of right? I was like show me the latte. Whatever at the story. This lawsuit is accurate. Because sometimes you see lawsuits, and you're like really really like the ones about blueberry donuts. Those are my favorite blueberry donuts. I do not know this describe it are real of these. No this. These are real I've covered several of these for the penny. Horder several lawsuits have been filed against Donut stores like Dunkin donuts and crispy cream over the fact that the blueberries and their donuts aren't usually actual blueberries are they stopped berries. If you get a Muffin, you're getting blueberries. But if you get a doughnut you're getting what's called a blueberry gum bit. Which is basically just sugar died blue, and no, it's basically diabetes. Well, well, it at least one of these lawsuits the plaintiff claimed that had he known that they weren't real blueberries. He would have picked a more nutritious snack. Basically. Why was he paying more for some fake ass? Blueberries is what he's asking. I roll those are my favorite lawsuits to read. That is all I'm saying, those are my favorite this is legitimate. Like, you didn't have your shit on lock. That's basically what it's saying funny. Coincidence, a certain personnel change in within the Hudson's bay family. Or is it is it coincidental? Good question. Let's talk about it. The president of Lord and Taylor is leaving the company just up and going. After thirty two years with the company that's a long time. That's how old him basically when Lisa was born. This woman started. She's now saying no more. That moment of wonder. That's exactly how long I've been on this gooder. Her name is Liz Rodbell. She's leaving the company after such a long run. She has been president of both Lord and Taylor and Hudson's bay Canada since twenty fourteen so she didn't start off as the president. She worked way up. She started as a buyer. She worked in the buyers program started that way and just kept all mood up. Ladies leverage. Those moves she is credited with growing their e commerce business. Introducing virtual personal shoppers and working with social media influencers. But if you remember Lord and Taylor is going through a huge time of change. They just had this data breach. And last year their Fifth Avenue flagship store was sold to we work for eight hundred and fifty million dollars. You remember that story? Yeah. Forgot about that. That was like yesterday, but it feels like forever ago because there's been so much has happened in the past year. But they sold it to we work the co working company another project that is in the works. That is about to launch is Lord and Taylor now has a digital flagship store on WalMart dot com. All of these changes are happening. And she is saying by all what she's really saying is I'm tired. When was this announced this week just a few days ago after the breach was announced after the breach. Yeah. Which may be just a coincidence. We really don't know. I think she may have a job offer somewhere that might be in the in the mix because she did mention that she is going to stay in fashion. Oh, then where she going what she deal in get out the yarn. We got to connect the suspects on our fashion board. Yes. Okay. I'm not gonna make you guess where she's going. I'm just gonna say let's come back. Let's put a pin in this. It's come back to this. Once we know more. I think we'll be able to revisit it in like a couple of weeks. Usually how these things go onto non Lord and Taylor related things. Please shall we pivot to nine west holdings poor one out for nine west sort of. Here's what happened nine west holdings filed for chapter eleven bankruptcy protection last week. At the gosh, just angst. And trepidation of so many women who bought shoes when they were in high school. I know I've never seen the internet. Be so sad for a store closing. But here we are. Nine west holdings owns nine west and Klein, and Gloria Vanderbilt labels the shoe business, which was started in nineteen seventy eight by Vince Komodo and Jerome Fisher is being sold to authentic brands group that means you may still be able to get nine west and band, Lena shoes in the future. Funny. Coincidence nine west did eighty percent of its shoe sales as a wholesaler to wait for it. What's doing really poorly right now also department stores? Nine west use can be found right now in twelve hundred locations, but all of the standalone locations are closed as of this recording as it restructures during the bankruptcy process nine west holdings is going to focus on jewelry and jeans wear. Also have no Aeropostale got sold to authenticate brands group when it filed for bankruptcy last year, and that's still kicking. So do not cry your tears for nine west yet. See what happens during this bankruptcy. But if you were gonna pour one out for them, we should probably start mixing now. So what would you pour out for them? Something sensible yet gets the job done. Rock cranberry. Perfect beautiful absolutely gets the job done. Just like us spritz soda just a spritz. Just just a little bit. Yep. Agreed. Pour it out. That's good. That's good, right? There. It's going to be okay. Ladies it's going to be okay did nine west even sell shoes for men. I don't remember seeing men's products nine west stores. All right, ladies and people who like ladies shoes. Hold on. It's going to be okay. It will be they're going to find a new life. But yeah. Once those department stores, go down. It's amazing what they take with them. It just has ripple effects to different parts of the economy. No one is safe. When a department store goes down in world department stores. New is safe man, dude. Speaking of I tweeted, go back and read are tweets vox has a great explainer video about the rise. And fall of shopping malls, not so much in terms of the decline of shopping malls in terms of retail. But thinking about shopping malls as social spaces. Yeah. It's like seven minutes. It's really good. I linked to it on Twitter, if you're on YouTube, just putting like vox shopping malls. But don't put in don't put into YouTube Cardi B if you apparently work at my office because now I can't watch her on YouTube. Why problems firewall they put up a firewall? I can't watch any good shit on to. But we're gonna be more. I'm offended for you. Right. Why would anybody deny access do not know how what have you update the firewall right before the Cardi B album drops? On friday. I was listening to Cardi B and Monday. No, more Cardi B get my work done while using corporate supplies and. Outrage I say outrage anyway, but I'm fine. I'm fine, and I still have job. So that's all on that next. Should I should I go to the society page? Yes. Please today not so fresh from the society page because this is from like a week ago by now, but very happy news on the block. Marc Jacobs and his longtime partner Charlie differential SCO who goes by char-. They're officially engaged is wonderful. Happy news the way it happened though warms the cockles of my cold, guac and heart. Marc Jacobs proposed in a Chapola in New York City his weapon they went to polling like a normal last night, and there was a flash mob that Marc Jacobs had hired to dance to prince's song kiss. And at the end of the song he got down on one knee and proposed. It's a little twenty thirteen. If you ask me with a flash mob. But here's here's what they told women's wear daily about the occasion. So I guess every year for differentiate goes birthday, they go to for dinner and their birthdays are close together. So it was this whole thing about like if they were going to try to surprise each other or whatever and Marc Jacobs said I wanted to take them out for a romantic dinner on his birthday. And he was like no I wanna go to play. So I knew I had to propose somewhere where he wouldn't suspect that I was going to do that. And then organized a flash mob to be there. But he didn't know anything about that. So I was successful about that. That's a proud Marc Jacobs right there in that quote. I card is making like not impressed faces. But let me tell you. I really love this because for a desire like Marc Jacobs. You could imagine like a fancy dinner or this elaborate scheme over multiple days in Kabo like a flash mob in Pola. It is so pedestrian, but I love it. I love it. I have many questions observations number one. Please report. Can we call him AAA Mark from now on please? No, it's it's Mark Cipolla Jacobs. It was quotes. I like to Mark better. Number two is their love language, burritos serious question. Can you have a love language of burritos? If you can I would like to advertise for a love that speaks the language of briefs. Hello, languages work. Whatever language that is. I want it to be mine as well. So please set me up. What if I heard the story? I was like I understand the words that are being said, but I do not understand the order in which they are being told to me. What is happening right now. Flash mob flash mob. But then I realized I call him down my cynical side. And I realized that sometimes couples have an understanding that the outside world judge not need to understand my husband. And I got married on a metro. I've had many people say, oh, that's interesting and be amused by the story. But you know, what has never happened. Someone say, hey, you nor I want to get married to on a metro which is like, my least favorite place ever it worked for us as a couple on a lot of different levels. We did it specifically because had meaning to us. It worked for us. I would not change it for the world. I loved my wedding. But from the outside people don't understand it. And that's just fine. So I have come to the realization that has tripled love something that should be unknown to us all accept them. I think whatever connection I have whatever reason they love it for besides Brita Ables. I love that. They have a thing. That's that's what it comes down to is like in. In a world with a lifestyle. I know I was about to do that in a lifestyle that Marc Jacobs lives, which is pretty Lux the fact that the thing that makes him happy is this trip to triple do it. Right. But watch out though, because like when my fiance, and I broke up I told him the dive bar. He couldn't go back to any more. I was like it's mine. And if you go there, we're not words, it's mine. Don't touch it. So they can never ever break up. They can never ever break up. If they want to go to that particular AAA in peace no guarantees about the flash mob. Yeah. Yeah. I have a quick story. Karl Lagerfeld opened his first US store about damn time. Freight. I was like his first I would think this was old news by now. But no, his very first opened in SoHo this past week, the flagship store features his namesake brand accessories, footwear, and Karl Lagerfeld Paris, which is ready to wear for men and women. It's also going to serve as the place where he launches his new beauty brand. And even know he had a beauty brand in the works. He does isn't his beauty brand like named after the cat or something because I've just make that up in my there's something else named after the cat. I just don't remember what it is doing. We can Google us show pet Karl Lagerfeld there's a cat shirt and a scarf. It's very cute. No, I don't I don't know what it is. I'm about to fall down a hole. So we have to get me out of it. Forget I ever did this. Come back to us. Come back to us. It's a picture of at least it don't do. It. Don't do it. If I put put the two screams toward one another. Maybe we are still dangerously close to becoming a cat podcast. We cannot go this way KARN. It's not my fault that I I had I didn't have them before we started this show. I had a cap before we okay, let's move on tell me more Lagerfeld opening store. That's it. That's all I need to tell you. This is part of a larger strategy that he's doing to open stores and very specific locations. It's a big deal because everybody is closing stores. He is opening them. That's why it's a big deal. It's like there's two strategies here that it's the fork in the road. You can't have both right either. You're saying we're going to double down on online and reduce our physical footprint or we're going to go into brick and mortar. Everybody's really stressing how strategic they are going number can mortar whether it's location, whether it's selection, whether it's inclusion, yes, it's. It's definitely one or the other. There is no you can't have it. All. Yeah. And if they decide to go into a brick and mortar there's this bigger push for experience based retail. It's happening all over the place. I was just reading about how where is American Eagle peritoneal just opened a store in New York where you could do your laundry in the store like is crazy excuse me. What? Yeah. I feel like there's so many places I feel like I have to go when I'm in New York like I wanna go by Carl's store because that's not too far from where I'm going to be. I also wanna do laundry at American Eagle what is life? Isn't it? Great though. That's a that is an amazing concept because you can do your laundry shop fantastic because you'll be sitting there. Anyway. The Nordstrom men's store opened this week. And they have a barbershop inside people are really thinking about experiences as you shop. But I have more questions about the laundromat. I don't have any answers. Okay. I'm gonna do some independent research on this. This is like we ask ask him. You ask your parents something, and they tell you to go look it up. That's what Kearns just did. To me, you guys she came unprepared to class. She only read the tweet. She didn't click on the link. And now, I gotta look it up on my click on the link. I just did not read it. Open. Do you have it open? Can you tell us more because I need to know about algebra? Because as a person who does laundry, but doesn't have laundry machines in my dwelling laundry his bench, dude, right? It's their new union square store and the laundry machines are free. What's the catch? You have to be an American Eagle outfitters. You cannot leave which I like what they're doing what they're stores, I think they are doing amazing things especially with their underwear lately. Oh my God. That underwear SOGA yet? It's free, dude. Do they have like a lounge setup or do I have to stay upright and shop the whole time. Do I have to have an item in my hand to prove my legitimacy there? Oh, they also do on the spot alterations of jeans. Smart people. Okay. Says across from the workshop are three brand new commercial, washers and dryers. The hope is that students from the surrounding dorm buildings because NYU is right next door will come and hang out to do their laundry. And right next to the laundry space is a fitting room and a coffee bar. I don't know about coffee. They don't say anything about coffee. I'm just suggesting. Suggesting they put a coffee bar in there. You it just move in you, you'd be like, okay, I'm taking over the space. I mean, look right go to the laundromat. I am there. I was like singing last time. I was there. And then I realized it wasn't the only one there. That was awkward. Because like laundry costs a lot of money, dude. I put four dollars worth of quarters in that machine per load to wash it. I don't know if you're squinting at the news article, or if you don't believe how much I spent on laundry, I believe I live in a city understand how it works. I'm just throwing quarters away. Okay. To answer your question. They have a lounge at has communal tables and bar areas with seating. See that's all I mean to be happy. Okay. I didn't plan on talking about the story. But I'm glad we did glad we had this venture. I'm so glad we took this particular fork in a road. Agreed. I thank you for your time. One more fashion story on my mind this week. And just also happens to be on Kearns mind is sometimes the the mind meld really comes together with us poly voor died. Let me let me explain these words I'm saying Paul Evora was a site that was founded in two thousand seven that was a place where you could find different fashion and fashion related products and make these digital collages out of them. You can make mood boards. You could do like flat lays before you were doing them with Instagram, and it was really cool because if you had a blog or website, you could embed that collage that digital collage into your website, and you could retain the information about where all of the items that come from and you could link to them. So if you had a blog, it was great I used to a ton when I was blogging for goodwill back in DC because I wanted to show trends of the time, and how you can make them work together and stuff, and it was a really cool, creative outlet, and then poof, poof, it's gone like overnight. Yes. A high end retailer called sense with two S's. It's either. Called sense or sense. Like make sense acquire the company in a good bye letter to probably were users. The were teams that their user data and Email addresses. We're going to be shared with the new website L L unless people choose to opt out. So it sounds like sense acquired Polly voor not to expand on what Paul of was doing. But just to get the list. Yes. Oh, I don't know. How many accounts they had a bunch. You know, what the says if you're on a free site using a service your data is important. What do you mean? Your data is important your data's important for you to protect or for the company to I didn't say anything about protection. I'm just saying that like they bought this company for the data like the back end data. And so when you use a free site, you are the product keep it in mind. Keep that in mind. Okay. That's what you're saying. Okay. Well, funny, you mention that because the internet is really pissed off. Because it was such a surprise that a lot of people are saying that they can't access their stuff that they had made over the years. The company said that users can request a download of their work until may tenth which sounds like a big shit show. If you ask me like imagine, how many requests they're getting. But if you go to poly, voor dot com right now, it directs to sense. In the meantime, a change dot org petition has been set up to bring back Polly voor and last I checked it had more than twelve thousand signatures conscious shaking her head. She's like goodbye data goodbye. These are two private companies who are dealing with each other. They could do whatever they want like they don't have to share. They don't have to get approval from people one company bought another company. Now, if they were smart, maybe what they would do is use this as leverage and she something new for the site. They are essentially like you said redirecting everybody who comes to Polly war to sense. So they can kind of add those people. On if they want to stick around and see what what's going on with that website. Maybe the petition can tell sense that there is a social component. They that users really like and that they can parlay that into a new product. But I don't understand the idea of making a petition when you're having to companies who are just doing a buyout fray. I think the only thing that would make sense to have a petition for is to say, hey, open up some portal to the website. So that we can download Oliver stuff. Yeah. Whatever week period. I think that's with petitioning for. I think look if you're a private company even close up shop whenever the fuck you one. And if you're using a free service, you have to assume that what is once free may not always be free or accessible. But I mean, there's also this comfort level that develops over time when you use a website or free service like this. I mean, Polly was around started in two thousand seven say you've been using poly were consistently for years and years as maybe. Fashion blogger you get comfortable with the site. You learn to trust it. And you think even if it's free that, oh, it's always going to be here for me, the user guess what y'all you're just another cog in that little digital system, which sucks it hurts. The thing about Polly voor is that it works. It did the job that it was supposed to do. I used to. I used it for clients. And I used it for blogging. And it was awesome. It was a great service. But it was a service, and it doesn't have to live forever. Maybe they'll see that. There's a hole in the marketplace. And something else will come up or that sense. We'll continue on in some variation. I think the real like value there for someone who maybe wasn't as visually minded was, you know, you could go and Polly war and search for exactly the type of clothing you wanted or the color of the car or whatever and you could find those items and you could limit the price range. It was a great aggregate or for what was out there in fashion if there are replacements for that. I know there are other services that do it. But clearly I haven't found them yet because I've been almost wild goose chase for an elbow sleeved shirt lately that you all know about from my Twitter, but finding a service that's going to fit that need like the current users of Polly voor found like you're always like, oh, it's not the same. Or it's not as good as such and such you know, like that just meant periods. Rough. I still miss vine. Vine was the best. Okay. If you can if you can land a joke in six seconds or less, you are golden in my book, I would like to remind people to that y'all who bought Polly VAR in twenty fifteen for two hundred million dollars. Damn I forgot about that. You have you ever purchase up thing? You know, just a few years ago and thought oh my gosh. I can't believe I spent the money on that as ever happened to you because two hundred million dollars is a huge soem. It sounds like a drop in the bucket because it's not a B billion. But still there's a lot of money. And I'm sure at the time. Yahoo was like this is great. And Yahoo was also like everything's fine flames flames, nothing's on fire, ignore it. Everything's fine the internet. Yeah. Wow. Mercer Mayer was behind that purchase. And she was doing a bunch of different things regarding fashion in Yahoo. That's why it was a big deal. It was headlines. Okay. I did look into the company sense. And f y if you're in Montreal and looking for a fashion job, you may want to check out this company because they have a lot of openings on their career site as two s in the beginning. S S E N S E. Sense. Check it out if you're a fashiony person in that area. Maybe don't apply for one of the customer service jobs because the first couple of weeks might be rough the time things go through with HR. You might be a month down the road and my calm down a little bit just occasional emails like bringing back Paul. You guys. It liked it. I liked to to it's going to be. Okay. It's going to be okay. I don't have any solutions for you. I'm just here to tell you. I hear you. Oh, they finally turned off the AC in here. Thank god. It was not a C weather today. I felt violated by the weather. Okay. Miss florida. I don't wanna hear it apocalypse came the apocalypse came. I saw coming the power one out twice at work. Really? Yeah. It like didn't go all the way out. But like the. You had to pick back up the power out of my house. I had to reset all my clock because a Flynn. Oh, the apocalypse a big storm like what kind of storm big rainstorm like a thunderstorm. Yeah. And knocked everything out. Yeah. Big old line. Yeah. It's not even summer yet. Like, usually in Florida in the summer, you have these storms then it goes back to being hot and muggy. And today. It was cold and cold and not nice. Yeah. Which is why I'm wearing sweat pants and a hoodie in Florida in April, which feels weird, but my life is fine. Don't worry. It's fine. It's fine. Everything is fine here. And I know I'm spoiled. When somebody uses the word fine more than five times in one Senate. That's when you start questioning things. Buddy, you mentioned it because my co workers have started to note the same thing because I don't just say that something is fine. I will tell them eight to nine times that a product is fine. It's your tell Lisa in succession. It's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's walkaway near raider. Everything was not fine. Looks at the camera. Actually, everything was wrong. Yeah. Everything's fine. Though. I have a great story to end this though. I have a good on you story. Ooh. It's about Hanes. You know, the underwear Hanes brand earns an environmental award Hanes, which many people might have their underwear on bright this very second T shirts T shirts. Bras, socks. Michael, jordan. They won an energy star partner award from the Environmental Protection Agency. So the EPA is going through some stuff right now, we're just gonna put pen and that we're not going to worry about that. Everything is not fine at the EPA. We are just going to put that to the side for a second. And just talk about Hanes flames almost five of my. We're gonna talk about some good things that are happening with fashion and the environment. This is Hanes eighth consecutive award. They've won because of their environmental practices. It's an award that is given for excellence and energy conservation. Carbon emission reductions and environmental sustainability all good things happen to with underwear. They won because as a company they're working on some larger issues regarding sustainability while they produce their products. But they also did something really cool that I wanted to mention this past year, they invited employees to participate in a treasure. Jarrar hunt to find ways to reduce energy consumption. Everybody was invited to do it. And that treasure hunt day generated one hundred and twenty-five ideas from employee's on how to use energy more efficiently across the company when it came to power steam, compressed air water, use essentially, everybody kind of went and looked around came up with creative ideas and pitched them all and they're starting to implement some of them. So smart, I love this. It's important to that. Hanes brand owns most of its supply chain. So if you own your supply chain and you own your manufacturing facilities. It means. If you make a decision about sustainability environmental factors, it's easy to implement across the board because you're not dealing with a bunch of different partners, a bunch of different factories in different countries where you may or may not have a say in how things go you can actually implement things and. Make big changes. And that's what they're doing. I didn't realize hands is vertical or mostly vertical. They mostly are in that. They they control the supply chain from from top to bottom line car and said that is huge, and it really makes difference in how you can make these initiatives go way further. Yeah. And that idea of bringing in a bunch of different employees to work on a problem last week. We were talking about diversity and fast fashion. And what we were saying, let's that you know, it's great that there is somebody really close to the top two in the C, suite that's dealing with diversity. But what you really need is people at different points in the company to be working on these issues. And that's what happened here. I think with great results is that like it's not just the C suite working on a problem. It's like inviting people in because you know, your job best. And you may see something that other people will miss that's such a healthy approach to problem solving. I love it. Because so often the. The best solution or the best thing that you can change today is like not right in front of you. It's something that someone else has spotted or is not in the department that you look at every day. But you get told like, oh, what if we do X Y Z, and you're like, why didn't I think of that like it's right there, and some of those changes, which I'm sure we're probably pretty simple can go really long way. And so many changes that have to do with sustainability and companies they actually end up saving money in the end because they find out where they're being wasteful tying it up kids. Tighten it up just like Hanes and Michael Jordan and me with my compost bucket. This is an unrelated tangent Lisa's very excited because she's going to start composting I signed up today. And I'm psyched, I'm psyched, you guys gonna compos the shit out of my life. You know, do, you know, did you know that since I moved to Florida I've only used one and a half rolls of paper towels. I am highly impressed. What have you been using rags your hand? Yeah. I basically just wipe messes all over me. And then I wash my clothes at the laundromat for four dollars load. It's affective. No. I do just like old dish racks, and I use cloth. Napkins dish towels and cut up old shirts for rags for cleaning working girl. I love it. I don't know what my point was in bragging about the paper towels, but just to let you know that I was thinking about it. And I was proud of myself, and you can also be proud of yourself for those small changes, your household is working on sustainability and its own way. That's why right now from the cats would help by eating less food. But that's for another podcast that I haven't been invited on yet. Stephen Yulia when do some listener letters, do it. Let's kick it off. I speaking of diversity and empowerment, we got an anonymous letter that is worth reading the whole thing. It's long but stick with me. Here's what it says. I wanted to write you both about the topic of all employees feeling comfortable and empowered to point out potentially racially or otherwise insensitive, clothing graphics etcetera. I work as a buyer at a denim and sports where a retailer based in LA that produces men's women's and kids clothing, just a little background as I get my thoughts. I would hope that people would point out something insensitive as these issues arrive, however, sadly, I think it's like the bystander effect, and I'm paraphrasing a little bit. But the the listener notes that with the bystander effect. If you see someone who's injured or you see a problem, if there's a whole bunch of people around you're less likely to do something because you assume that someone else will. So this listener and goes on what I mean is no one wants to be a whistle blower. I work in a company with an incredibly relaxed atmosphere where we regularly have very blunt and open conversations with one another no matter your level on the food chain that being said what you're essentially doing when you're pointing out something that is unsuitable for production is causing a bump in the production cycle was in one skew too far down the line has the potential to be disruptive in a multitude of ways ultimately losing sales dollars last summer. We. Producing a tea with shadow print of an eagle a woman who works in technical design. Brought it up one day in a fitting that the eagle resembled a militant eagle used by Nazi Germany and World War Two. Once it was said, we all saw it it became the unspoken Nazi sympathy. T-shirt the eagle was redesigned and the ended up being produced with an appropriate graphic that being said the tea was two months late into store and disrupted sales plans and a major marketing push. I'm okay with that. Because the original tea would have been terribly not. Okay. But almost a year later, I hear higher ups making jokes about oh don't show this graphic to ex tech designer she may cry about it, sadly, her speaking up made her a bit of a pariah, though, it stopped the T at the end of the day. It seems like more clients care about socially conscious, clothing, and more companies careless. Where do we go from here? I believe this is where smaller companies have their chance to shine. Incorporate retailers are failing there too out of touch. It's good to hear on the ground examples of what's happening. Whistle blowers. Many times are not rewarded they're more than likely vilified, which stinks. So companies have to make some decisions on who they want to be. I think part of that is creating internal systems where things can be reported. Like, it doesn't have to be all drama all the time. There could be a system or process developed. So there can be reporting done. I here at the end of the day. It really is about money and you push into production schedule. That's the reality of it. But it's companies trying to weigh the like do we want to end up in press because we weren't on top of this. Or is it more important for us to keep our production schedule going, I think sometimes they choose option A, and sometimes they choose option B, right? And if you stop the production process and delay product market, you might be losing money. But if you have to pull a product from the market because there was a problem, and you. Essentially probably end up burning it. Well, then that's another problem too. Yeah. And the whole kind of like whispering about issue going to cry about it, that's just internalized misogyny, that's misogyny fucked up if you need to know how to go to HR about that. Let me know I will coach you through it because that is fucked up shit. Yeah. Thank you for writing. And I appreciate you setting out and saying something about that next letter is from Gabrielle who has a response to our story about San Francisco banning sales Gabrielle says I've been following your coverage of various fashion lines. And now states that are banning the use of for in garments. You ask for feedback from listeners in colder. Climates I e Canada as mentioned before I'm from Toronto where it does get cold in the winter. But it's not where my mind went immigration to these bans on for my mind went to the indigenous and first nations populations that still use for in their clothing connected to whether but I'm more. Pacific ways. I haven't done my research beyond what I learned in school and right in the news. But I as a vital part to a lot of indigenous cultures and traditions. I recommend doing some research into it or hopefully, someone with a better knowledge than me will fill in my very large knowledge, gaps first of all Gabrielle way to like be like, I have some information. But also, I need more knowledge to SOGA, but excellent points to bring up, of course. Yeah. I'm really glad to have that taste into that. Like, oh, we need to think about this area too. Yeah. For sure station and needs to happen still. If you want to speak out on that topic. And you know, something about this right on in. I'll still take your letters. Oh, follow up letter to your new story about marine layer having apartments for rent above their stores as Ambi me's. Holly says have you heard about the line of hotels that west elm is working on? Okay. I can kind of see this. I thought I would share this article. I have a lot of west pieces in my apartment and would definitely be interested in checking out the experience in one of these hotels. She shared an article from Conde nast traveler that highlighted the hotels them what they were gonna look like, which is really funny because when you ask me what kind of store Airbnb, I would want to stay in my first thought was like west, but that's too easy of an answer. But apparently, you can so Holly says also thanks and keep up the great work. Thank you, Holly. I looked up where these west elm hotels are there in so far Detroit. Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Oakland, Portland and there. Yeah. And they're done in partnership with the hospitality management company called de K. So they were like y'all handle the day to day, we will handle the furnishings smart. Let's get it together, which I think is genius there. Beautiful beautiful. Holly. Thank you for that. Here is one from. An anonymous person here's what they say. Hi, pop fashion. Family listening to your Chanel at Ulta story in real time. And I got excited and then kind of met at the same time. So all cops. I am a true fan of Ulta has been doing for the past few years kudos because between the Amazon effect and Sephora. A girl has got to get in where she fits within the industry, however, as a longtime Chanel customer, I think Chanel is missing the Mark on this one. Now, my boys wa self is showing am I ready to be Chanel tied at Ulta the care and commitment. I consistently get at each counter is just so fabulous that I simply don't believe it can be replicated Ulta. And the sl shop from WalMart to Neta porter beauty, but some brands need to stay in their respective lane. I mean being situated next to wet and wild might work for Alta customers that don't already have a great Chanel beauty counter memory. But for me, I'm. I might be taking my dollars. Elsewhere it left a bad. You are trying too hard taste in my mouth. I think it's a legit point. Because if you're used to a luxury experience wondering if that could be replicated and another environment is is a legitimate point. Yeah. It's we often applaud accessibility. You know, having more products available to more customers, but it is difficult to toe that line between availability of tons of products versus specialization. But let's keep in mind to you that this is channels bread and butter. They are not continuing on their line because they're selling dresses. They are continuing because they're selling lipstick. This is how they are continuing as a luxury brand everyone would like to think it's all about the Chanel look that you can buy off the runway. But only so many people buy that it really is the lipstick. That is keeping them in business that accessories. How much does this Chanel upset costs like thirty eight from googling this pardon the interruption? But we need to know. No girl gets you thirty seven. I do my research. That's not. I don't. I just take guesses. Yeah. It's thirty seven. I appreciate this take on the topic. Yeah. Man. I do to our last letter is from Caroline who would like to stay in a Gucci Airbnb. She volunteered. Here's what she says. I know this is state. I also saw myself in the mirror. I was like, wow. I look worse than soccer. Berg looks today. Oh, we said number one. No. That's not true. Number two. You that's hilarious. Look at these back all my makeup came off in the rain. I'm tired. Okay. Carolina. I'm going to do this letter Justice because you deserve it. She says, I know this is Dane ability model is becoming increasingly popular with retail companies, which is great, but also confusing to figure out which ones you can really trust. Or are the best quality? I haven't trying to buy more and more ever lane, and I'm generally pleased with the quality. I'm not overwhelmed with any of it. But they are good essentials the company I'm wondering about specifically is a more Vert I stumbled into one in a fancy shopping district in Newport Beach and liked a lot of their stuff in person. But it felt crazy expensive for relatively simple items like striped TS and basic sweaters. I fell in love with this shampoo, jumpsuit, and waited until it was at least fifty percent off and bought it. And it was so close to one hundred and I love the fit, but it's still felt like it was a lot for really casualties is this sustainable fashion company that much better in quality and practices, then places like ever lane. Are we just paying for their fancy Newport? Beach brick and mortar rent good question. So I was a little digging. If you are not familiar with this company Omer ver is a company that says on its website that they use nontoxic dies and sustainable fabrics it manufacturers in the US and has zero waste philosophy. It has a website section about the fabrics chooses to use. Like Modell Marino wool organic cotton. Recycled polyester stuff that is a little bit more sustainable than the norm. And for every t- that is purchased the company plans a tree in North America. It has planted more than one hundred sixty six thousand trees as of this recording. Ooh. Summit on us. Some of them in Florida. Thank you for the trees when I looked at the website, it it seems like a an easy breezy kind of anthropology vibe to me. Basic TS are thirty eight dollars, which I think is really in line with what you're going to pay for an American made sustainably minded t-shirt the stuff is beautiful. But I will admit that it, you know, there's sort of a gap in the type of customer that it is catering to which seems to be like the easy breezy, casual a little bit Boho, chic kind of vibe, which is awesome. But it skews a bit young in terms of style. Whereas if you're in your twenties how much money you got right? So I love the principles of the company. I also think a lot of the style is cute. But the branding sounds to me like, maybe it's truly an aspirational brand. Maybe a more ver is a little more. Like what J crew was to me when I was twenty one twenty two got it got it. Yeah. Have you heard anything about this company? Nope. Nothing at all. But I do think that anything sustainable is always going to cost more money. It's kind of like if you're buying food that is better for you. It's always going to cost more money, which is so stinky because it shouldn't be that way. But if they're using practices that are sound if they're actually paying their people if they're using high quality materials, it's going to drive the price up and up, but you are right to think. Hey, am I paying for lifestyle on top of that? Or am I paying for this brick and mortar that's really beautiful too. That's a smart question to be asking. I wonder if one day we are going to get to a place where we have standards about sustainability at what it looks like we're not there right now. But we may in the future have some more guidance as shoppers to understand if somebody calls themselves sustainable, what does that mean? Mean exactly we just aren't in that space right now. But you're asking the right questions. I will put it this way for you as a shopper. Now, if you're trying to figure out if you're being green washed, or if something is real the companies that are really proud of the work. They're doing sustainability make their easy for you to learn about exactly what they're doing. Whether it be blog posts, whether it be a sustainability tab like right front and center on their homepage. If it's really hard to find that sustainability information, it's not top of mind for them. You know, the ones that are really proud of being sustainable tell you about it over and over. So that's a good indicator of where to start your critical thinking about this. Can you explain greenwashing because I could pick up by context clues what that means. But I would love to understand it a little bit more. Yes. I don't know if I have the correct terminology to explain it. But the way that I would do my best is to say that greenwashing is when somebody is just using marketing to make you think. Is that something is environmentally conscious? But there's not really the work put into back it up. An example might be if you saw a bottle of dish soap on the shelf in the grocery store, and I had a big green leaf on the front. You might think. Oh, that's got to be good for the ducks. But it may not be it may just be how they're marketing. Gotcha. Thank you for that. I it. You're welcome come back to class anytime. Hey, that's why we're here to learn. Ultimately, that's why we do podcast because we're learning. Thank you for those letters those were great. Yes. So good this week. If you want to get in touch with us, go to pop fashion podcast dot com. You can write us a letter you can find out more about the show you could use our Amazon affiliate link. Click it on go buy something on Amazon. It helps us out. We're not getting rich, but we can afford stuff on the show, which is kinda nice. I can afford some Cadbury eggs that I will eat myself because Carne can't in somebody's gotta take the fall. Somebody's got to do the hard work around here. Lisa that is you it's cool because I scheduled a dentist appointment thing. Let's talk about one good thing. What's your what? Good thing this week. Lisa. Well, I'd like to I give a shoutout to Harold my office neighbor who probably hears every word of the show every week. And Harold never complains about how much noise I make. And I just want to say, thanks, Harold, Harold is great my one good thing. You're either gonna love me your hate me for everyone. But trading spaces is back on TLC a few solve this show. Or vaguely remember it. It was an early 'oughts wonder, and it was a TLC show where two neighbors would swap houses for a weekend. And they would take one room in the other neighbor's house and redo it with the help of a designer and a carpenter, and I would say this excess rate on these renovations was about fifty fifty half the time they were really excited and half the time they saw bd. That's when it was funny. It was that's when it was funny. And this was one of the first home decorating shows that was like super. Accessible to people because they were only doing one room in a weekend with a budget of like a thousand dollars. It was accessible. It was quirky. Oh my God. It was it was big in my family back in the day. And it's back. They brought all the original designers and carpenters back for a new season of episodes. It premiered on Saturday night. I ordered some pizza. I think Saturday night is going to be trading spaces night at my house. And then I'm okay, I'm okay with that. If the big Saturday night thing is nine o'clock trading spaces. And the first episode was just as disastrous as I hope I didn't shut my mouth for the whole first half hour. I just couldn't understand anything. It's just as good as you hoped. It would be they did not change the form out whatsoever. And it's just a joy like I'm very skeptical of reboots of series. But this makes me so happy is burns Dhillon. It Vernons, of course on it. He is my favorite always favorite. He is brilliant. What a brilliant guy. He is the best. And let me tell you. If you're if you're wondering the first episode Hillary was on it. She Cray Healy will fuck shit up, and she will not apologize. She painted her own face on the wall one time that is the only episode that I remember that she was involved in. I was like she put her face on somebody's wall. What is going on? That woman does not. Apologize. And if you try to fight her she doesn't take it. Lisa. I love you enough that I will never make you paint my face on a wall. That's what friendship is to me. I'm really glad that you have that sort of expectation for our friendship because you've never seen me paint. But you should never see me pain. I'm not your mom. I can't paint. Okay. My one good thing this week. It's the cherry blossoms. Notable type of the McRae. If you do not know Washington DC was gifted cherry blossoms by Japan and bay were placed all along tidal basin here and not recently like a hundred years ago. It was a car and talks about this. Like it just happened surprise there. Trees that's not true see weeks ago. I think I have some trees. So every year something that's really big in Washington DC is to come and see the cherry blossoms. Well, it's not just the ones around the tidal basin. But Washington DC really everything gets pink. You'll look down a road and the entire road is pink because the trees are in bloom, and it is so amazingly gorgeous. But why it's my one good thing. This week is because I've had a really intense past couple of weeks of work and the trees have really made me slow down. Even if it's just for a few minutes and just take a breath look at them because it is so stunning. And if you do not pause, you will miss it there in full bloom only for a couple of weeks. It's just a glorious time here. But also wherever you live. I would really encourage you to literally stop and smell the roses where you are. I know life is in fast forward right now. But it's okay to take a break look around you and just appreciate it a friend of mine many years ago, put it best. She and I saw this gorgeous sunset together. And she turned to me and she asked. Do you think God gets pissed off when we don't notice the sunset? And I think about that all the time. There's something glorious a wondrous happening that's a miracle in our daily life, and we're not stopping and pausing. So I'd really like encourage you to just take the minute because it just enhances your life, and it's right there. It's right there. That's my good thing for this week. Yup. I encourage you to laugh at your humiliated neighbors on TV and car would like. Appreciate the Lord's beauty around us. Both are equally legitimate. Okay. You you're going to have to talk to your maker about that legitimacy. I know that it's I know that one is better. Oh, my God this cherry blossoms. I'm so homesick stole talked me. I would like to state for the record. The best is actually when they're not in bloom that the best is when they fall off the trees because what happens is all the puddles fall on the ground. And it makes it look like a pink carpet and you can walk on the pink carpet. It's so gorgeous NOP it. Nah. That's when it gets slippery as hell, but it's so beautiful you sound break. Her ankle, you're going to be like it's beautiful on your way down. And then you'll be like this podcast at me to look at the flowers, and I fell oh, don't send us your medical bills. We don't as outside of our purview. We're trying to get money through from Amazon. We don't have any money for anybody's medical bills. Just trying to get some Cadbury cream egg money. It's all I need for blueberry, pieces and doughnuts. Blueberry, gum bit's. Okay. Blueberry gumbo? And but that I swear I talked about this on the show before I'm sorry for everyone. Who's heard that story before we should go by? But I guess.

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I'd Rather Eat Salt

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46:11 min | 5 months ago

I'd Rather Eat Salt

"Hey all this is Lisa. And this is pop fashion. So Lisa I would like to ask if you would sing to us though what up Homie Song that you sang to me. So brilliantly when we first started our call please because it was so beautiful. The pressures on because I don't really remember what I saying but I believe it went something like this. What is that? My homie? Was it similar to that? That was totally it. Yeah, and I would like to ask our audience what's up with you homie. How are you guys doing? How you doing really I've realized over time that when every week when we hang up after recording after finish shooting the shit. Every week I say call you Homie I'm like leaner homey homey thinks homey. Yeah I love it. You're my homegirl you better believe it. Your home has been my home. So I'm actually talking to your house behind you. Now pressure I absolutely appreciate that and I love that grading and I think we should incorporate it into our friendship. It just should be that way. WHAT IS UP MOMMY? Don't give me any grammys but But invite me to your home when it is safe to do. So according to the CDC guidelines, I don't want a smart speaker that does anything except for like calls Dr Fallacy. Oh. You WanNA direct line yeah. Just want to be able to say in my House Hey dr vouchers it's safe to go outside today and Dr will respond with his like guidance of the day I. See an APP. Coming out of this. That's a great idea. Yeah. Dr Foul Cheese more encouragement. You know anyway free idea you can take. It's an open source idea. Maybe we should. Go to the news a the thing that we actually know something about. Yeah unlike my knowledge of science and government Maybe we should just go to fashion news. Let's go to fashion news. Let's talk about Lions, where has she been I knew something was up because right before the pandemic she started showing up on the red carpet and I was like, what does that woman have up her tailored sleeve? Well, now we know some answers she got an HBO show that'll battle do it. Just. So everybody's on the same page. Jenna Lyons was the former president and executive creative director of J. crew very infamous from her era there. She worked there twenty-seven years infamous would you call her infamous I would yes. Absolutely. ooh Icy it doesn't necessarily have a negative connotation, but I do think she is within that era. If you are of a certain age in that era, you're very much tied into her create a vision if you're into fashion whether you want it to be or not. Yeah you had some knowledge of it. Right got it. The show is called stylish with John. alliant. Which Max on November twenty sixth is that black? Friday is the Thanksgiving I think it's t gives you can have some Turkey and mashed potatoes alone because you can't see your family. Alone. But with gentle lions I'm sorry. Go on. It's an eight episode series that is a blend of a documentary and a competition show. W wd wrote about it and said quote she'll be testing out creative associates to join her bencher and we'll see who can cut it. Jet Alliance said quote I'm not just creating business. WHOA I'm creating a family. No pressure. Okay. We'll come back to that because you know how we get. We're GONNA come back to it. I got stuff to say lions will tackle design projects including renovating her friends, Classic Brooklyn Townhouse Hosting Fashion Makeovers, and launching her new eyelash brand. Because by the way, she's also launching knowledge brand. It has called love scene. It is a direct to consumer company. She has the company's Co founder. As she basically said, the eyelash extensions are too expensive. So she wanted to start our own company. Will I watch with ten styles priced at twenty, two dollars each. Ten different styles of eyelash outward they grow outward I. Think some beauty people would tell you that there's lots of different ways to have eyelashes. They could be very dramatic, various subtle. You can have a daytime nighttime look a go to the office. Look. The great thing about this is that she's actually in a really sweet spot right now, eyelash sales for false lashes are up fourteen percents. Is are really in right now because I got covered the. Mouths or out eiser in wait. So is the is the HBO show called Stylish or style ash it's called stylish but it's Called eyelash. Some somebody function. and. Not GonNa. Watch this show. Okay feel free to tell me why because I have lots of thoughts tell me. I'm up to my ears and content right now I don't need Jenna in my living room for a quasi reality show competition slash documentary look like supermarket sweep revival comes out in like three weeks. I'm busy until further notice. I don't have time whatever genesis two she's. She's renovating her friends like, Brownstone. This show is just money on money. Semi. Problem is the idea of having a competition for a job right now is ghoulish I. think it's really gross. So amazingly toned deaf for what is happening in our world and happening in our country and it's like the freaking hunger games except the fashion version of it and I do not like I. Think it's Really As as just rubbish ultimately like I do not like that portion of what's happening I did watch a trailer for this show and it seems pretty. Light and unassuming like it doesn't feel. It doesn't feel too mired in what it is. You know at least in a trailer or preview, right. But when I was thinking about like Oh, you're making people to compete going after a job. How about you just choose somebody that you WanNa work with you and don't put people through this right now it's like she was at home on our couch during the Pan Stomach. and. The devil worth product came on and she watched it. The little light when oftener her head and she picked up her phone and she went I have an idea. So Lisa I'm very glad you said this because there was a point made specifically that said, this will not be devil wears Prada. Well, when you have to make the point out loud, it's not a great sign. Also, the idea that your job is your family. Nineteen Ninety s bunk bullshit and I hate it I hate to I will always hate it. Yeah. If you work in a family restaurant, maybe your job is your family genetically or just because you actually see them twenty thousand hours a week. But in the rest of everything now and oh I reject. I agree beware of any company that says you're part of a family because of what it means is one of two things number one it's like this unseen pressure to make you settle for less and not compensate you properly or number two. It's bad. Boundaries is a company that really doesn't know boundaries or both or both how about we just do work where I do the task and you give me the money like that's what it is. That is what workers. On us. Yes. Now, thank you. I'm not so mad about the lash business I think it's probably a great product right now good timing. The price point feels rights. I like that there's going to be different styles just feels like a good business on the surface. It feels like sure why not? Let's have another company that knows what they're doing and how these products that people want right now, and if it makes people happy and it's fun. Sure. Yeah. I think I just about eyelashes but honestly just because I have always had good eyelashes and so I worry about these things Oh. Okay. Okay. Look I got bad eyebrows as a trade offs. So don't worry about me I have plenty of my own insecurities. But I think this is a good market to get into. This is the type of beauty that still going to have success with without a pan stomach. So I think that's smart I don't think I need the trimmings of a show around it. What the fuck girl whatever you make, whatever money you need to make. LISA GETS ME TV show. Can I come and make over your Florida abode? Over my nine hundred, fifty, one bungalow. That actually sounds really fun. Actually have a lot of fun. I got a new dresser over the weekend and it is Super Q. and it goes with my mid-century but like classic Vibe you know. So we can just pick some paint colors and I like for you a homemaker over is like I got a new dresser I love that. That makes very happy. I got a dresser that wasn't a hand me down from someone else the someone else's probably listening to the show I. Appreciate that Dresser that you gave me, but it's time for something new. And the new thing that I bought is something that was made around the same time as this house. Well, y'all let's knock. You'RE GONNA WATCH AGENDAS NEW PROGRAM I. Don't know why instinctively were both like. On this. God I'd rather eat salt. Down that's name limbs that has. Ever. saw. That's kind of funny because I love salty food I really saw. Like honest to goodness, do you think it just feels a little? Just feels wrong right now I. Just I can't explain it other than it just feels off it the only word to describe it as superfluous. We don't need that show. Now. I have so much of this HBO stuff I gotTa Catch up on excuse me Sabrina this is not your segment. Do. Not Rub. Your face against the microphone stand I know I know I was out all day and you thought I, was dead and I was never coming back but please goodbye. Should I sing again. Anytime Liza. Fashion. Crime is must be subject. I got real a real juicy one this week. Oh, 'cause the Department of Justice is involved in my favorite. The US. Department of Justice you know the big guys have charged six people who allegedly bribed Amazon employees and contractors to give some third party sellers and advantage on the website. Since twenty seventeen, according to federal prosecutors outside consultants for third party sellers allegedly bribed Amazon employees for information about competitors access to Amazon's internal rhythms to reinstate suspended products that have been flagged as unsafe Oh dad for access to listing products in restricted categories. In some cases, the Amazon employees facilitated attacks against competitor third party sellers by suspending their accounts. And the access to algorithms meant that the consultants could flood competitor product listings, but fake negative reviews. Several of the people who were charged not only served as consultants to third party sellers but sold products themselves doubled. The categories of the big scam include household items, consumer electronics, and dietary supplements according to CNBC unlike I don't know about you but I don't want scammers fucking with my dietary supplements. Okay. The damage that was done because of this bribery scheme was worth more than one hundred, million dollars. The six people are all being charged with several counts of conspiracy I'm going to listen to you because I love conspiracy. Being charged with conspiracy us a communication facility to commit commercial bribery to conspiracy to access a protected computer without authorization three conspiracy to commit wire fraud and. Actually. Doing wire fraud. Amazon. said to CNBC we are especially disappointed by the actions of this limited group of now former employees and appreciate the collaboration and support from law enforcement to bring them the bad actors they were entwined with to justice. Garlic, the bag is. CNBC. Made this point. that. It's not clear that the people at Amazon who were involved were fired four. These. Offenses like the there's a little bit of like, Oh, you mean Dave Dave still here right it's still packaging freight like there's this gray area where they say that their former employees, but they don't say Oh yeah we identified these people and we terminated them. So maybe one of them left on their own may be one of them laughed because they were late to work a bunch of times like we don't know and you know Amazon probably isn't going to comment on personnel issues. So it's not like I expect them to have an answer, but you know there's just some unanswered questions. A part of me is actually very understanding of this because. They have a huge companies. You cannot know what all of your employees are doing all of the time. It is just impossible and you always have like a percentage of people who aren't maybe acting correctly and the responsibilities or maybe not doing their best to put it mildly. So part of me has some real compassion over it is just a portion of the employees. It is just a portion of what's happening. It's not the entire picture and that's true. But you can have two things that are true simultaneously and the second thing that's true with the the marketplace is really Lake Wild wild west I do feel like Amazon is making at least a. At least a marketing effort to say that they're trying to reel things back in which like a good first step but there has to be some serious like hall of who is actually responsible at the end of the day because everybody kind of holds up their hands and says not me. I want you to think about it. This way so. Uncle Jeff. Imagine uncle deficit Amazon you know and he walks into a cat cafe with CATNIP ADMINIS- pockets. And there's like thirteen cats in this room and all of a sudden they are real interested in what Uncle Jeff has pockets. They're to do anything it takes to get what's an uncle just pockets and he can't control those cats. They're just wild animals. That's how the marketplaces run. Lisa I appreciate you so much. I appreciate you. That's all I want you to know. Like you can see it in your mind, right? You know how it goes. This is something we've talked about we've talked about the run up to this before we've talked about how people try to gain the system to get their products listed featured. And get good reviews. We've also talked about Amazon listings for products that are dangerous either two children or because they defy regulations or just are like haven't been checked by regulators right so there have been these pockets of activity that have been less than innocent in the past, not necessarily by Amazon itself, but by sellers on the platform. And so when I see stories like this, that a whole bunch of people got charged I'm like, heck yes, we all knew this problem was happening. This is just a small portion of the bad actors that are out there and I'm speaking about the consultants who got charged in this case but it's like everyone knows it's happening and it's like Kim we can. We stop it do we know like? It's kind of like whack-a-mole like you know more people are going to pop up to do stuff like this. But can you imagine link the strongly worded employees memo that came out at Amazon, after this charge came down like a hey, if you're taking money from people, we need you to not. Okay. Please don't. Alexa who fucked up today. Everyone's house is just like going I'm so sorry I did that too all y'all. Don't edit it out I. Want them to suffer because they let her into their home. Anyway tells another story Karn. Shut it down. This is usually chapter eleven and other fucker eight. The good thing is we don't have any chapter eleven today. Thank grow leave I know. But we do have the other fucker part including Ralph. Lauren is going to lay off thousands of employees. It will be fifteen percent of the global workforce I did some Math Lisa you will not believe it I did math what I figured out that is around three thousand, seven, hundred people wait I saw that listed in article so I feel like you just read an article and wrote down the numbers so I actually sincerely did some math damn. You didn't have to do that math you could have read that on the Internet I'm so sorry. What a bummer but yeah, I mean, it's a lot. It's a lot. The company will save up to about two hundred million in annual expenses because of it, and this is part of a larger plan to focus more e commerce and that didn't start this year that started a couple of years ago. It's not a new move, but this is kind of Lucien. What's happened? next NIEBUHR MARCUS AS laying off employees. How many who knows they won't tell us. But it to is to focus efforts on ECOMMERCE and it has a lot to do around their sales associates. So the letting go of a lot of their sales associates. ooh. And the last thing. This is the Kooky thing that came out of New York fashion week lows was the big winner. Yeah. You know the home improvement store they like one fashion week. That is if you count social media impressions, they were the number. One thing talked about coming out of the event more than any designer including Jason Wu Rebecca, Minkoff, and Christians. Who all partnered with the company in order to put on the runway shows and sure. You're welcome lows. I feel like we contributed to that you know top of mind starring passionately the company sponsored a lot of designers and they did their backdrops with our products low soul those products during the runway shows which honest to goodness was very clever on their part. But if you have a company that sells wrenches that wins fashion week, what's going on with Fashion Week? Overall social media impressions were down. For this year compared to last year, which makes sense I mean pants Democ this year things were cool and I mean just the fact that people were able to put on shows and do it safely wasn't accomplishment it really was a Christian Serrana show was really beautiful. He did an amazing job just a tough year overall, but they did so much better than I anticipated, they would do as a sponsor to the event. When a hardware store winds fashion week that tells you everything you need to know about the economy right now. So down the road years from now when your kids and grandkids ask you what the pandemic was like you can tell them. Well close was the big thing at fashion week not the hotel, the hardware store. You know everyone's just doing their best designers, consumers people in general are vicious doing their best the. I mean fashion lows Fago together, right Speaking of going to stores. Just the thing we often talk about on the show I mean look at transition transition kids. Berlin has a new secondhand department store and I really love it. It is run by the city government. Oh, this is great. I cannot even pretend to pronounce the name in. German. But the the name is a Pun that means department store and conserving house all smashed together. It is seven thousand square foot space. It has used an up cycled furniture clothing phones and electrtonics. It is. This is maybe the best part is located within an actual department store. So. It's a store a store. Oh, I love this. It's the third floor of the car stats store which is like a famous department store in Germany. It spending six months there. The city government pays for the space and then selects. To run stalls for different types of items for which they are you know experts. The city wants to open three or four more of its type in the near future by the year twenty, thirty which. Guys, it wants to have one in each of Berlin twelve boroughs. Berlin is already been very good at reducing household waste Anna recycling materials by it wants to do even better according to this article on Bloomberg City Lab. At first, the city started collecting used goods and then distributing them through Berlin 's already existing secondhand stores, and then the city was like Oh, we do this ourselves. So the Burland Sanitation and recycling department opened a store in the suburbs before launching this department store and department store downtown. GAP S. This is the best part. Used electrical goods that you purchase their come with a one year warranty. Oh Wow. They also have a monthly. Repair cafe. That needs repair. You're not sure how to fix it. You can go and talk to experts and like fixer VCR or whatnot. Hamburg. Germany and Vienna Austria also have similar concepts run by their cities and I really love this. This is delightful. It is like the amped up. Of I know some places in the US habit, but it sort of depends on where you are but. You know how there's like the hazardous waste drop off area we can get rid of like building materials, paint that sort of thing some places have sort of like a shed where you can act from that are still in. And take it home. It's like that but on red bull. I appreciate this effort so much partially because it's normalizing the idea of shopping for US goods. Yeah. That's fantastic like what an amazing initiative it's awesome. Am there I mean the photo I saw like it looks like it's all great like super solid stuff that just can still be used you know everything from you know good clothing to dislike solid furniture so I like it I wanna see stuff like this. This is just a story that makes me happy absolutely. It is my I gotTA. Tell you things that make me pick. My time kids. Marc Jacobs is try to trademark the word the. y'All he's on some bullshit. Trademark lawyers in the audience could you just open your box now start writing your email us with your responses because I want to read all of them agreed like I am very willing to learn. Here's what I know so far, and this is a report from the fashion law who I talked about this. Marc Jacobs is seeking to register the word via for use on handbags and clothing. According to the application I can reject that before you. The company has not started to use the word that the on products but plans to in the future and this. I, know. It didn't start this year the started in twenty seventeen. This is golden going on for a while. And the original application, the agency asked Marc Jacobs to be a bit more specific. In his claim. He was specifically for waterproof clothing and ties as types of goods in connection with this, which it would use as its mark. Then Marc Jacobs provided a photo of a backpack with a patch that reads the backpack Marc Jacobs and another picture of a jacket that says the Velveteen Jean Jacket Marc Jacobs at how it would use the marcation on its own products. The problem is the company is seeking to register something that consists exclusively of the word. The the US P. T. O. was not convinced that the mark actually functions as a trademark and lawyers were Marc Jacobs filed a request for reconsideration. The obstacle right now is that Marc Jacobs has to show that it can actually use a standalone the as a trademark. Yeah. Like I don't think you can trademark an article. Can't you? Can. And the that is that norcal? I've just right for a living I don't know the parts of speech. Mark. I like you but are you on some drugs you okay for. You Okay right now like I get it but like you're the designer for which this was not an official Marc Jacobs thing right that I'm thinking of the shirt that's like Marc Jacobs by Marc, Jacobs, like into infinity just joking on the Marc by Marc Jacobs it was that really his product or was it a like a meam? So I think it wasn't both like I've seen products with the answer like Marc Jacobs by Marc Jacobs like a scene versions of those products and I think a an exaggerated version of it became a me. I mean I understand maybe the Marc Jacobs as a trademark I kind of understand that old together, and this reminded me a little bit about what off white is doing with putting words in quotes I. Don't know how I'm sorry. My ignorance is around like if that's been trademarked, I don't know but the idea of the simplicity around it. I can kinda get. Yeah. Like it's too simple to trademark. Yeah. But I think this is just a little bit one step too far. It's hard to say about its original and I get that like every designer wants to protect what they're making right like this is why they're filing trademarks on things that seem overly simple like it's an effort to avoid. Counterfeits you know bad actors Lol By there's a point where. It's like not defensible. Sorry you can't. You can't trademark the word a like you know like we're getting to that point. I mean he's a shot Lisa. Shooting shot look right like you may as well. Try I'M NOT GONNA stop you but I'm pretty sure it costs money to apply and I feel like it's a pan stomach maybe save some of that. I'm not gonNA, stop you but I will laugh at you. I will old right. This is funny. This is real funny Oh my God mark what if? What if they were like you know what? Yes you can own the word the like what? No of course not I'm a walk into the TRAE market patent office and flip tables, Jesus. Like, really y'all. Really. Really. Nobody would be there. They're all working from home. Wow Wow fashion news. This week is at the end of it. Are we done that but? Let's move on wow. I. Got a nice easy one for you. Melissa great recommendation for us this week and our listener letter in box. she listened to the episode where we're talking about how vintage shopping has changed in the pandemic and she wanted to shot her favorite vintage store on instagram. It is at you know the at Sign Chubby. THEMM thrift she said it's black and queer owned, and they sell only plus size clothing. So, hard to shop vintage above a size twelve. So these stores are so great to find Chubby FEM thrift go get it I. Love this recommendation. It's great because this is the problem is so much vintage clothing is that it's like size extra small just because like we didn't have vitamin back in the day. And now on Amazon and questionable, right exactly. So to know that their stores out there like specializing in this size category that is always so hard to find like get at it. So thanks, Melissa. I have another letter from Diane who wrote in after we were talking about stores and fashion retailers giving their employees time to vote in also paid time off to work at the polls and she said Giving employees and opportunity to vote is not a new idea. I spent my career at a Japanese consumer electronics manufacturer. Headquarters was in Manhattan and there were distribution offices across the country. We received a paid day off every November election to go vote. Over time, it was changed to just presidential elections, but all US offices were closed on election day four years. Oh right cool right I love that. I. Was trying to think on that like when I was in school when I was in high school, we always had election day off. But I always thought it was because our. Our high school was the polling place. For several like districts in town. So I was like Oh that's why I don't know. If that's why. But yeah I like I like this idea that it's like baked into your company Culture Luck I. Don't want your work to be your family, but I do want your work to give you off. So you can go vote and. You know like. You know there's a happy medium there and I think Diane's company headed. So thank you for writing in. I have one more today. It is from that WHO says. Can we talk about bath and body works and? I think a lot of listeners myself included are still turning to bath and body for hand sanitizer and candles to pandemic staples but is bath and body works in their parent company Albertsons really who I need to be supporting right now. Les Wexner has been documented to have been friends with Jeffrey Epstein? He's responsible for a lot of philanthropy and my hometown of Columbus Ohio Wexner Medical Center wexner. Center for the Arts Etcetera, he feels slimy to me I love bath and body works. It just feels like I do better with my dollars. What do you guys thing? I am so glad you asked this question because I worked for months on a story. About bath and body works. So if you have eighty kate, all has I. Have I learned so much about this company. So the quick answer to your question he doesn't work there. Anymore he resigned in February. So if you were to spend your money, they are right now it wouldn't matter one way or the other meaning it's not like it's going to something where he heads up the organization he's no longer there. To spend her not to spend their right now, I don't think is necessarily the question is because it doesn't really matter one way or the other spending away that you that brings you joy. So the story that I worked on just recently was more about bath and body works collectors. Much fun to write because there is a segment of the population that is truly hobbyist and collects their products but I've done work in the past where I've gone deep into their documents and their SEC filings of their financials and. Gosh was his name all over those documents like epsteins name is like deeply entrenched in the company of of L. Brands and so. It's a complex question, right? It's not who the company is currently today, but they do have a foundation where like I don't really understand what was going on between. Between these individuals, I don't really understand their relationship. So I think for right now, if it brings you joy to shop their shop there. But also if you don't necessarily like the foundation, the company was built on. Kanye lls and soap with individual sellers right now because there are a lot of like mostly women owned business that are small businesses that are selling those products and that's a great use your dollar too. So I think there is not necessarily a clear. Clear right answer here. It's just a matter of well, what feels right to you? What feels right to your budget? What feels right in your heart but no to like it's not like you're going directly support somebody who is currently active in the business. Yeah. That's sometimes tough to suss out because especially. You grew up in Columbus, which is like there's a lot of fashion brands there especially L. Brands. Basis has been there, and so you're seeing this name everywhere that you know like not your Guy but I think we're at the point in this company where you can think about like one like your own values and to like. When you go to your local bath and body works like you're supporting the local employees that live in your town who you know work. Among you and live there and I. Think there's something that's valuable on that too. So I don't think it has to be polar opposites. One of the other if you think bath and body works smells heavenly an you need to be in there with your mask and getting those candles enhance Annie's. Do it. But if you're like maybe, I'm ready to move on I. think that's fair to. Just to let you now. So again, I worked on this story four months, people who talked to me who love this company where so freaking enthusiastic about it and just gave them so much joy by the end of me reporting out I bought five candle I bought five candles have never purchased five candles together and my life because it's just like it rubbed off on me you know yeah Where's their Pathum bodyworks? How did it online girl? Oh, on the Internet on the interweb Worldwide Web, they send you candles if you give them tender you know. Did you buy them all in one purchase I did yes. That's very heavy but there were small ones. Did you get free shipping one week but did you get free shipping? It's not paid for the shipping, but the cameras were on sale Oh. Okay. Look I you live your own life, but I'm just GONNA file els in front of the microphone y look at you. Like Damn. I'd be getting more I'd be getting A to wicker a three weeks. So I can get free shipping to say I'll I'm saying is get used to free shipping being a thing of the past because we about to an intersection of some reality very shortly, I will buy enough to get over the threshold. When it's heavy stuff, I'm going to buy enough to get free shipping I'm GonNa get included shipping Tom Thinking of it, but they were little. They're like this. They're not like huge candles are likely it'll wants. You didn't buy t shirts bought Campbell's they're heavy, but my my case rests prosecutor. Don't think it does though Lisa. No you go back and see how heavy that boxes. It was a heavy you're lying near Salt. We we must move on that has all the letters I have in and I could sit here and argue over candles all day. But do you really WanNa hear that I don't know I know a lot about the candle community they're very nice. I smell greet smells so good. It's true. Lisa. What's your rugged thing this week Book came. But here's the subset of thing like they're like it is very exciting to have a book out in the world and like thank you to every one of you who has deemed me on the podcast and said that you've bought her interested in buying or you've asked your library to get it like. It's all amazing. Thank you so much in the pictures you've posted of like yourself with the book or the book in front of your plants that you spend a lot of money on it. Lowe's and home depot much appreciated So it's really bad an exciting week that we're recording in because my book is. But. The good thing that happened within this is that last week and we were talking. Recording this show car and asked if she could send me pizza. And I said, yes, and I haven't cooked all week y'all because Karna Navy not only sat me to pizzas from Domino's they sent some pasta. They sent some wings. They sent some like dessert rallies. Basically, every food group went through the domino's like conveyor belt oven just in a row everything got cooked for me. And I came home from Spin, class on Monday night. There were three of us in the class in school guys we spread out and. Everything was there and just undid all the calories I burned and we so glad for it and it just like was the most delightful gift ever it made me. So unreasonably happy So thank you for that, and also the fact that it didn't have to think about cooking or like where my next meal's coming from all week just made it so much easier to deal with like a bunch of moving parts and like what am I doing when I have to do extra staff, and so if you're wondering what is a nice thing that you can do for a friend? If you know they're going to be busy, send them some food agreed I saw Kaci liked that's wonderful. The objective was really like you don't have to worry about food like that was the big objective. So I'm really glad at work. So yeah, that's wonderful. Yeah like tonight. So like the food came on Monday night, it is Thursday night I still have one slice of pizza laughed and nobody touch it or I'll bite your hand. Mine and I earned it. You Buy. It really has like Ben the week saver I don't WanNa talk to any like Dietitians this week. That's for next week. I WANNA salad tonight. That's fine. I'll find bow I'm eating my breakfast Moody's but. Yeah it's just it's just. It was the. Glide. So anyway, car what is your one thing? My wife had thing. This Week is obviously your book Release Party, which was amazing. You know you never said the name of your book if somebody's just joining the show. Wow. If you're just joining the show, I'm really sorry it was on this episode. My book is called Money Hacks. It is available wherever books are sold. You'll also hear me say that again when we do the entre for the show. So thank you. We're to for tolerating that it feels as as a woman. It is hard to self promote and I'm just trying to be good at that. But I know at least you wrote that Shit. I mean, it is the reason we went on hiatus. So I should be like, Hey, everyone the reason I left it's over now it's done. It's it's here. Thank you all. Yeah and so I had zoom party and it. Had No direction whatsoever. Delightful. Your Zoom. It was like you know it's hard to do a book release party like in the middle of a pandemic but you pulled it off. It was lovely. It was so good like a variety of at Lisa's family and friends were there. It was so good to see everybody's faces and just to be there just celebrate a little bit. It was just lovely I had a great time. So thanks for inviting me and also just it was wonderful to stand witness to your creative process and the end product tastic. Yeah. Everybody on that zoom call was like thank God she did it. was really funny like my nephew's showed everyone up with their resumes Gills. Showed everyone the free stuff he got from Medicare. My Mom. Made my friends introduced themselves. It's A parents are weird man. But it was just lovely and like I, WanNa Hug Like everyone but because everyone so spread out like. My friends are naturally in link all corners right and like many time zones because I'm lucky that I have friends that are all over now and someday, I will visit all of them but also like you know pandemic. So you know, I used my free forty minutes zoom for all twenty of us and it was really fun. I'm so proud of you for your devotion and your hard work and who you are as a writer and as a person, and we got to see all together in one place and what it's light sale -gratulations on your big moment and I'm so proud of you. Thank you. Thank. You having one more like very socially distanced little party in the park this weekend. Yo. Everything. I'm. Gonna I would like to say that I'm GONNA sleep a lot. But Janowski GonNa you know I got shit my sleeve. That Nancy Drew Spirit is alive in you. You cannot stop it. Oh. My cats are Georgia and bass. I do need two cats named George and Bass. That would be perfect. George Besson. Nancy next time I get kittens. I'M GONNA name them Nancy drew names. And one boy named Ned Omega. You don't know Nancy drew. I'm so sorry for you. It's time to find out. You got to go ask someone who remembers do did you see the American girl doll that's from the year nineteen, eighty, six the American girl has the American girl doll. She's got a doll Lisa. This is so terribly upsetting. Its then nineteen eighty-six doll whatever her name is has the molly doll because like American girl existed then and I'm like this is so rude. Offense offense taking I am offended this is a historical offer when I was alive. Dare you. We need to go should we end this? Yes, that's the show I'm Lisa. Car In and this is pop fashioned catch up on previous episodes are send us a letter but going to pop fashioned PODCAST DOT COM. 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In VOGUE: The 1990s  |  Episode 2: Grunge Strikes Back

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In VOGUE: The 1990s | Episode 2: Grunge Strikes Back

"The one thousand nine, hundred, eighty s Perry was a respected young American label when fledgling designer Marc Jacobs was hired. So here I was the head of women's designer Perry Ellis Twenty five years old at that point had become Perry Ellis was this very kind of wear to work. Sort of smart like career close they were close that mature. Could wear to work etc et CETERA. So I remember my first season I wanted to bring back the sort of spirit of Perry Ellis not what it had become where it started. When Perry started his company I mean there were raw skirts and heavy mcnutt tweeds. I. Mean it was very whimsical very young. It was much more demonstrative and much more about like strong silhouette and it was action. and. So when I joined Perry Ellis, I wanted to bring you know this kind of useful attitude about same sensibility. So, I looked to like kind if woodstock and I looked at these I looked Jasper Johns and his interpretation of the American flag and bucket hats induction Satin and Anna Winter. Bob. Wigs. Sent clever collections down the. Runway that moved and pivoted with the seasons. Pulse Stripe sweaters reinterpreting sequence warm with perky shore Zazi reaganesque pseudo cardigan jackets made from chimps, florals, Pastel colored blocks. In. Kennedy style floor-length evening dresses on just see through plastic. Cat. In the hat top hats and swaggering seventies I'm royalva frock coats and flared pants with boobs. But the powers that be Perry Ellis we're like thinking like, oh no, this is too much of a departure from where we were and I thought like, okay. Well, I can give them uptown. I can go from your downtown sort of rebellious kids to having lunch at Mortimer's with an slater like no problem. And then what happened was Just not me it's like that was a fun little pose. But what I was really feeling was the rock and roll circus and I had to get back to sort of doing something that I believed in and what I believed. Perry Ellis would have been doing if you were a young person. So I, kind of returned to the club scene and my friends who were young and making music and art. And left the Ladies Park. Avenue behind. Welcome to invoke the nine thousand, nine, hundred, ninety s about cost about a pivotal time that Australian, a new era in fashion and in culture. Join us as we examined the defining moments of the decade that shape fashion. As we know it today, we'll hear from Bashan leaders, cultural icons and vogues own editorial team I'm on a winter and I'm your host Hamish phone. It was the fall of nineteen ninety two and I was in the audience of Jacob's nine, hundred, thousand, nine, hundred, three, spring summer collection prepare. It was the classic show set up. The room is full of you know retailers who are looking for the little ladies, your lunch dresses, and the fashion stars of American and international press everyone is looking fairly groomed because that's how you note when you went to a fashion show and it's usually what you were looking at on the runway and then. First Gulf comes out and she looks a little bit bedraggled like she's just tumbled out of bed. There was like a dirty rugby glamour to the whole thing and lipstick, but not well applied whom these girls who used to sing Kate and Chris McMenemy and Mary, kind of made up and groomed Naomi Campbell. These. Same girls and they've been stripped to their makeup and there's no L. Net has spray and that's such the antithesis to everything that came before it. Very beautiful in a scrubbed down on DON UNMADE bed kind of way slips that repeated little shrunken cardigans. lorettes sort of loosely thrown into their hair and doc martens milk like you kind of rated a thrift store and maybe boyfriends closet and you put it all together in this kind of haphazard it way you know it was one of those Berry Berry powerful fashion shows. and. You know by the end of the show just crescendo it's just one go after another and just. Lent. Completely appalled I couldn't believe what was coming down the runway. What you're getting is pure courtney love grunge and it's just relentlessly coming at you and to Berry Berry thoughtful fashion critic Suzy Menkes of the International Herald Tribune Catty Horn of the Washington Post both wrote this rating reviews. This is Kathy Horn. All right. Let's see if I can do this call it Boho grunge or Deja Vu all over again but the new. Look for spring is chaotic contrived and so encumbered with cultural significance that even the most astute follower of fashion will find yourself wondering if she's supposed to look like Courtney love rarely has slovenliness look. So self conscious or commanded. So higher price these steamed fashion critic Suzy menkes also wrote an abyss rating review and went step further. Suzy even went to the extent. I think she had these badges made said grudges gasoline mistreated the I know that Vogue added his were completely divided this. What great. Fashion does it's great fashion designers. Do you know they hold a mirror up times and sometimes? Too, crazy fairground mirror and he's don't recognize yourself in it but it's very interesting perspective. You know the horrors turning to actually this is something very relevant and cool. How does done? On Anna. Anna. This is Nicole Phelps director of bogue runway who's a college student in the early nineties. The GRUNGY, crunchy riffs of smells like Teen Spirit even now I hear it thirty years later it it like gets me in like in my gut in my solar plexus, I get like sensations or tingles really did sound like something new and something different grunge was a movement that originated among young people. They weren't part of the elite ruling class they weren't necessarily. Prep school kids it was you know public school kids. These are the kids parents who were baby boomers and kind of got the best of the nineteen eighties. Committee Jenkins was a noted fashion historian. These kids who are interested in grunge were their children many of them and they're just thinking this is very underwhelming. This is not at all what I aspire to. Wake up people. This is kind of the sentiment behind grunge and we hear that in the music, the lyrics. Just disgruntled little really with society you have the band Nevada because really the most popular for conveying. As NAVONNA exploded onto the music scene, the message of grunge with Clare. Come as you are. And so they did. The fashion trend launched by the hard driving guitar music known as the Seattle Sound. The grunge look is an urban lumberjack. Anything goes ensemble of duck boots, tattered shirts and long underwear. Yeah. You know it was funny. So working at the front desk at sub pop, a lot of times people would call and they would say to me God you have the best job in the world or they'd ask what it was like working at the heart of everything that was happening Megan Jasper current CEO of some records Nirvana's first record label was the sub pop receptionist in the early nineties. I knew I was around a really creative bunch of people the musicians, my co workers. They were such incredible resources. They were so interesting to be around to talk to and I knew in that sense that I was someplace. Really really special. The musicians that started this movement or more this look that was picked up they living hand to mouth lead Borelli. person. Folk Archive editor. And it was Seattle. It was cold. Needed a layered look you needed to be warm and he didn't have a lot of money. So where did you shop you shopped? The second. which you know a fancier name for is vintage. Tim Jenkins Fashion Historian there's this appeal to kind of countering how we typically shop engaging in capitalism and consumerism going all these department stores or big names shops and and instead going to secondhand stores, which is better for the environment and it's cheap and it's just easier. Seattle's goodwill's door was far ahead of the fashion curve when it came to grungy clothing now it's the place to go for acceptable grungy gene grunge felt so different it was way more effortless and kind of like truly gritty. I do actually remember kind of just picking close up off the floor of my bedroom and putting them on it really did feel like It didn't matter so much what you were. It was more about whether it just was working for you in what you needed to do i. think that there was a more practical approach to how how people dressed in locked. By Nine, hundred, ninety, three national attention had focused on the Pacific northwest the laid back Seattle bide became a source of international fascination and signature style soon, known as the Grunge grunge-look brought mass appeal to the shabby vintage unpolished aesthetic with Kurt cobain and his partner Courtney love has its post children. Dad. Visual I get when I think of grunge is Courtney love with her peroxide hair with like a month's worth of routes on brushed bed hetty hair, a silk slip in nude or blushed pink with a Black Bra underneath it. That was another thing that was a really big deal. The idea of exposed Bra straps in the early nineties, it was a new. Thing, you might have torn fish nets or you might have bare legs and you'd have scuffed up combat boots and the guy would be wearing an unbuttoned flannel that had been through the wash a hundred times a t shirt that had lost its shape and a pair of a loose fitting jeans or in Kurt Cobain's case, you know granny dresses like une showered. I'm showered but still sexy. Remember mark arm from Matt honey be once like where t shirts anymore. And then I thought okay, I'm GONNA wear a t shirt. So I wore like a extra large t shirt with a choker and boots and. That was this is Kim. Gordon one of the founders of Indie Rock Band Sonic youth started in New York. We played in Seattle a lot and we played with Ben's like mud honey a lot on were and I remember Bruce we're friends with Bruce from sub pop and I remember the first time Nevada played in New York and Bruce was like you're GonNa love this ban I mean people and in Seattle while he walks out in the audience, they just like Jesus. You know graduate I mean just wearing t shirts and jeans is also faster. You can't escape it. Of course, seattle bands hated the word and but I, think in the fashion world, what it meant was kind of more just in. Fashion Statement on this desire to rebel now permeated the fashion world. It really wasn't about design clothes. It was not about money. It was about what you could make it was. It was a consciousness Camilla Nickerson. Is a contributing editor. Where America was making the music of that moment and to spread the word and England. was creating a visual and you had these young photographers. In England who were photographing? That girlfriends or? Damn Street who wasn't a supermodel dressing them enclosed found in thrift stores photographing them in that bed sits creating the visuals that sort of summon that spirit. And so suddenly you had the skull Kate Moss, she disrupted what was typical of the supermodel. She didn't have quote unquote the right height didn't have quote unquote the right proportions. But Kate had also this kind of sense of otherworldliness slightly more delicate, slightly more real, slightly less puffy slightly more awkward. The fashion world was taken with this new refreshing and fragile luke that she personified. And she was kind of the embodiment of how you can understand grunge with Beauty Tony Goodman bogue sustainability editor. She could do grunge perfectly she could do couture perfectly. So her reign in this transition. was apparent. She could do it. She could just do it. Despite her height and weight fish bigger who perhaps because of them cates rises to supermodel signaled a new trend in fashion one authenticity vulnerability and almost haunting realism. Shift that aligned perfectly with the new alternative perspective. Allure do I really need to wear sunscreen? A WANNA make my pores smaller. I'm Michelle, the editor in chief of allure, and I'm Jenny by executive beauty director here at a lower, always been questions about how to choose the right experience or conditioner or serum. So we started a podcast about it the science of beauty. We'll be learning all about what to do and what not to do to stay looking your best tune into the science of beauty on Apple podcasts, spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. It's ironic when you think about it. Because you will turn of songs antithetical the tenets of fashion sloppy. Just generally apathetic. sparked a debate within the fashion industry could a rejection of fashion become high fashion? That brings us back here to one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, two when Jacob showed his grunge collection prepare yells remember where I was sitting actually. Kathy. Horn again a fashion critic with the Washington Post at the time and currently fashion critic at large for the cart. And most everybody was shocked by what they saw. Plenty of US knew about grunge. But to see the the models Naomi in Christie coming out in closed, it really looked like through shop in those grungy colors and the plaids and the kind of general sloppiness of it because it was not something we had seen from mark. Really at parallels at that point. You know we had one fabulous legendary editor who I do remember just said Oh you're horrified absolutely horrified. Some of the coolest younger set that was so amazing. Of course, she did one hundred eighty pivots that wasn't that wasn't the next thing. You know that dichotomy of reactions was who was perfectly exemplified by the fact that. was fine from Peres. Got Designer the Arab would. There were parts of the establishment who never embraced it the colts again, but certainly the fashioned establishment saw it for what it was this very cool. New Sound coming out of Seattle and this you know the deconstruction of the look and the rejection of propriety and it looked cool and new and fashion sort of latched on re really quickly on a sweet. Then an emerging designer who was just breaking into the fashion industry notice this change in the highest echelons of the fashion community I remember going to a party and suddenly. All the models weren't wearing head to toe designer. They were wearing a pair of jeans and maybe vintage top Swedes designs might to previously being considered fringe but grunge broken you acceptance to moral turnip designs like hers. There was a whole different thing going on and I thought you know maybe this, this is the time for me. While in Paris with her friend, the legendary fashion photographer Steven Meisel. Anna remember stopping at the Ritz to pick up Madonna and when she came out, she had her coat on and we we were late. So he rushed into the car rushed into the venue sat down and she took off her cup and she said, Anna I have surprise for you and she was wearing my dress and this was the baby doll dress that kind of brought attention to my collection. On a soon became known for more feminine take on the Grunge Aesthetic and in particular for this baby doll dress remained one of the most iconic pieces. Inspired by cut cobain's choice to sometimes wear a dress and design baby doll dresses for women and men to be worn with work boots justice courtesy styled heads putting his gender bending look on the runway, and she elevated the of secondhand clothes to spending weekends coming through flea markets, supermodel Naomi Campbell, and turning their discoveries into runway fashion. We bought bouts from the army. Surplus store but then we embellish them with flowers. We did some crochet hats where it wasn't. So slip it wasn't so manufacture. It was more artistic optima of appearing on the runway and being photographed on models around town. The grunge-look overcame whatever misgivings the high fashion world might have had race Cardington, legendary guitar style the now I can't grunt shoot per by Steven Meisel. So I had suggested to do this shoot with all these vintage things, and then you know take them out into the countryside and put big boots on women and trust them down on table all that makeup off and things. I was speaking the same languages. As. My mysel- but he was speaking it from the point of view. Of grunge because he's very tapped into every new. Thing. The models Naomi Campbell. Christopher nominee, and Najah almond to name a few. Were wearing kind of colors close steven meisel pasted. Oh, you should go and take some things from. Berry vintage looking things. I did the spread was something. We'd really never seen in the pages of vogue before. Christie nominee with very short severely cut black hair partly covered by initiate purple beanie as in a field and a black shirt bearing the word Nirvana in blazing blue letters under black and white oversized flannel shirt. She's wearing any makeup. It's to turn -able except for a little touch of red than it. In. One Photo Nadia allman wearing fidget button up shirt stares directly into the camera. Must forcing you daring you to look at the nose ring and her bad freckled faced while me Campbell sits deliberately Gawky and not need an adult colored red and black striped sweater that doesn't really go in the conventional sense with the to green hat on I had with the flat flannel covers her legs or the Sturdy Hartley. Untied Booths. It was completely shocking and entirely new terrain for the magazine and Fritz relatively new editor-in-chief on a winter. I don't know if and I was. Completely into this new look I think she probably hated it. But. You know she was amazing in that. She let it happen because she trusted me that. That it was relevant and it's funny because here we are talking about it now. Now the grunge was in the pages of vogue. Now, something that could be purchased and styled. It became commodified and commercialized something that the originators grunge never sought, and in fact, actively rejected a mile. You could still find flannel shirts and the Salvation Army you could also by design versions, which may cost less than couture but was still high fashion designer prices when grunge hit the runways first off, it seemed to Pizarro that people were willing to pay that kind of money for something that any one else here would have spent like five dollars four at a thrift store I remember thinking like you kind of have to. Hate your money to buy that Megan. Jasper again, see of sub pop records. It's actually a really interesting thing because it means that this culture is speaking to a lot of people and it means that things are probably opening up. But also when you're in your early twenties, you don't WanNa fuck and share that shit like you kind of want to own it for yourself. I wasn't ready to share all of it then but I mean, what do you do with? It's not like it's something to fight against because it's happening. Wasn't being so shocking about vogue shoot was that these supermodels were wearing type of closed were much more attainable for broader audience of people. Suddenly, outfits would never been considered fashion had essentially a stamp of approval from bogue challenging the idea of what fashion could be, and it became such a topic of debate that made the news, my wife and I were sitting around at a Sunday looking at a magazine saying, where did this come from and do they really expect people to dress in this style? A movement that's been about accessibility and affordability and practicality about anti-capitalism and rebellion. Some Howard moved into something very different. It became yet another tool so close. That Borelli Person Folks Archive editor the idea. Of. Rebellion the idea of vintage. That diy aspect is inviting to young people that are interested in fashion, but don't have a big budget to spend on fashion. They idea that you can pick up a sweater with a hole in it and make kind of dangerously glamorous life. Her Cobaine is you know an attractive and not scary one. It became a symbol of rebellion and youth and independence. These are very, very seductive ideas that work really well with marketing once grunge penetrated high fashion, and then went mainstream it proved any style even the most anti fashion could upset the most established rules fashion and become fashion for a long time the idea of fashion dictatorship and rules about what was right and what was wrong fashionable was in general Greenwich Dan Have Times Bet. And that was refreshing. GRUNGE said, you can be yourself how you WANNA be yourself. People want their voices to be heard and fascist one way that they do it. Recently Kathy. Horn fashion critic at large cut reevaluated her nineteen ninety-two review of Mark Jacobs Ariella show. Why were those of us in attendance such a miserable chorus of condemn irs why did so many critics allow no room on the American runways for a look that was legitimately an expression of impertinent new values about alternative beauty unaffected Glamour Anti Luxury. You Wanna a designer does something that is so left field you can fault it for things like maybe it's a little bit exploitive of music trend maybe it's a little slap dash, but also maybe it indicates desires just desperate to break out maybe he's just trying to find his voice I could see Marx desire to say, Hey, here I am on Seventh Avenue writer opposite the five fifty building, which is where all the the prestigious designers were to say something that is more street oriented. It's more youth oriented. That's more shocking. I think that's just responding to the world around you and grown has never really left the fashion stratosphere in recent seasons both Marc Jacobs and Anna Sweet reissued those iconic collections. And when you look at the close now, they don't seem radical. They seem like a massive departure back. They seem quite normal cool and comfortable because they're established an ECLECTIC vintage driven way of dressing just continue to shake twenty-first-century fashion landscape. Surprised that we were so severe in Prissy about marks grunge collection because in its elements, it all made sense and also it was an American thing. We should have already been prepared for something like that. In many ways, this is the story about how a niche anti-fascist disrupted the fashion industry. But it's also a story about the realization that any style anywhere addressing any type of clothing could be determined fashion and for every single one of us who wake up and put something on our backs every day whether we're in Seattle downtown. So this active dressing is the way of fashioning ourselves the way of expressing ourselves. And no one is exempt from that. In bogue, the one thousand nine hundred ninety s is presented by Anna Winter and produced by Jasmin, Galera junior doyle Kinsey clock and talk. Zan Our executive producer is Alex capital men mixed by rain house mark. Do Chee. phobes creative. Director and bogues. Editorial team is led Pirelli Person Mark Holgate Nicole Phelps and myself Hamish Bove's. Special thanks to digital director at least a yob sleep vice president of audio, Jewish? And Anna Winter please do subscribe to the podcast. It helps new listeners find the show you can find additional information incredible imagery an episode references in the show notes or though dot com slash podcast I'm your host Hamish Bowles.

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Lee Daniels (Part 2)

Vogue Podcast

13:58 min | 5 years ago

Lee Daniels (Part 2)

"Welcome to the vogue podcast Siamese host. Andrea talent. Okay. Listen. What would we talking about a lawsuits lawsuits? Losses to. Here's the thing. This story is my life story. Yours is. Oh, I couldn't make it up. If I tried, and I think that what's so interesting is that it's the American dream. And why so many people are coming for it's because this happened to them to. I'm sure you know, what I mean and getting out of the ghetto. That's clearly is asking is what Joe Kennedy. Did he got the Irish ghetto, no different? And so I think that people can net too. And I think it as a compliment assistance. But as FOX's problem that mine, okay, now, tell us could you please tell us how your your son and your daughter, how you adopted them from your brother. Yes. Well, I I was on drugs. Oh my goodness. Did you know that know what's rugs that you take on crystal meth? Cain freebasing? And it was you know, what age I don't know all through from. I couldn't understand why it was that. I was alive. I could not figure out how come all my friends were dead. And I still, you know was doing I, you know, I couldn't figure out like why didn't why wasn't it me? So I was I was self medicating myself. I was so depressed about my friends dying. I had no friends from that era. And so I started doing drugs, and and one thing led to another another and another, and so my brother, I was in Palm Springs at a white party. I'll never forget it at a skirt on I was high as a kite. I was at a white part. And I had my brother calls me up. And he says, I'm my wife is having kids my girlfriend's having kids. And I know that this woman doesn't want my kids she she won't want him. And I need you to take care of my said, absolutely not. And I hung the phone up on them. As. So sure enough four months later, she gave birth and two days two days after they were born ding-dong. She rang. It was January the seven she she in snowy snow up to the air. She ring ding Dong doorbell and left to bassinet s- on my mother's front door without even waiting for my mother to open the door. And my mother called me up that night and said, I don't know where I was I think I was in California somewhere, and she said I have raised five kids. I have raised sixteen grandkids. I'm not raising anymore. You get these kids or I'm taking them to child services. And I didn't know whether she I serious. And, but I didn't, you know, something clicked in clicks. And so I went my partner, and I the time the famous guests and director Billy Hopkins living in New York. And we I moved to New York. And and I thought that I was doing them the favor by Dopp doing them. And it turned out that they were doing meet if ever because they got me off drugs, social means you have to you can't you cannot take on you can't do it. So, you know, they'll never with you this. Are you kidding me? I wish they weren't with me. You can spending my money. She's in Paris. She's living it up and let you still she's taking over or the song. The I my son is doing wonderful. You know, he's he is he's he left an all white school in Boston to go to experience, the black experience Howard University now beautiful, and you know, so he was very shocked because you know, he's gone Dalton to the kids. You know, they were they were they were pedigree. Arlene pedigree. You'll so they were all these white kids, and it was time for them. Yes. Lockets yeses. So he's up at Howard with the hoochies, Honey. Yes. I dunno studying hoochies studying. This Andre this is the funny thing I took him up there to the school. And I walked and you have to see I grew up in the projects. So I drove in with that nothing. I Jay z are the prime examples of Horatio Alger, isn't it of kings overcame you shall overcome you overcame I-. Beautiful silk shirt, you're wearing it is. Marc Jacobs month Jacobs here what time to shop. You actually saw a do you? Call them in due call up the phone my boyfriend does you shop? Yes. Because you Jacob store and buy that silk shirt. Sometimes if I'm inbetween inbetween if I'm on a set, and they're not ready. And but what made you decide to whether it because I notice these plants Spencer, very chic, they they were gifted to me by by Burberry. But yeah, oh, yeah. You were Burberry bed bowl. Of course. Now, go on you interrupted you. I'm sorry. Was I saying, I don't know. This shows my life story. I mean, you know, it really is my life story. And what happened to cookie happened to my sister? So yeah, I mean, you know, I can look at my mother, God bless her. And this is why I went Diana Ross. The player has never been to jail church woman. Have you met her you met her? Yes. Screening elegant elegant elegant example of what it is to come from not. Yes. Yes. And to be able to have class she she can make she can make a ten dollar dress. Look like a thou-. I have no clue to address. So she so she, but she'd never been to jail, and yet she had five kids all of whom had been to jail to survive on you had been to jail. I haven't d- my darling. Did you do? I was at Saks. I was at. Lifting. Visit I was at Saks Fifth Avenue where we had the premier. We had a pre Honey the cover all the storefronts of Sachs is empire. And so and so they have their own of sacks was there. And so they cannot believe I'm in here. I cannot believe I'm in here would always I've come I said, you know, what? And I told this to the to seven hundred people that were there also acts employee's, Pepsi people. You know, I'm doing this pet with the merger with Pepsi empire. And I said, you know, because I used to boost from here I used to boost in they said they said what is good is it as a boost is stealing that's called theft. And they sat there the women were grabbing their person's I don't need to now Honey anymore. I guess he got it completely. But it's the story of empire. It is. It's a story of extraordinary individual African American who rises from the ashes of the ghetto and from violence drugs, and is concentration. As you said if the post today, you know, it's time for your pie America. It's time for empire. It's time for Americans to see him by because it's about the black culture. And it's about race. It's about the violence. It's about police how you're going to deal with those issues in upcoming episode whom I got this is why I was so ingredient. You must see the first you saw. Well, you were there you were there. And so, but the thing so we address address look at right now. I worry I pray for my my only fear is that my son is jot. Can you imagine I'm never been afraid? Yes. And all of a sudden, I'm afraid I'm terrified terrified that. You know, he just may be out there. And he may not have you know, what it's it's. So it's so subliminal to his people aren't aware of it. He said, why do you wanna go as he's I'm having some issues data? I'm having some issues. He, you know, he grew up on the Upper West side all of his life and. And he gets into the elevator. And he says it hasn't happened. Once it hasn't happened twice. It hasn't been three times these yuppies they come into our elevator. And they go what are you doing here? And he said, you know, what I've lived here all of my life for you. What are you doing here, and they carry, and so this is a very this is a tragic, very sad. Yes. And so he's he's finding his way. Yeah. Yeah. So how do you feel about the future them the campaign? Do you feel that it is a fragmented world politics today is the world of hullaballoo in the world of Fantasia? I really really thought that we had having Obama as the president is was going to ease race relations. If John just the opposite. I didn't understand it. What they have done to him is embarrassing. It's embarrassing in history. It was unprecedented. He became the first black president. But is also impressive at what the way that the Republicans and people have treated him. It is any president is almost like I've never seen it before in my life. And so I think that I think that we did not ask to be brought over here. And I think that is just the cards will simply have to play itself out. And I don't know that it's going to happen in our lifetime. No. I really would like to. Thank you for this extraordinarily honest into you talk. Last question, the first fabulous thing you ever bought your wardrobe that you didn't boost. Something you did not do. So that's a big difference actually by I think it was. I think it was a pair of the cow of Calvin Klein jeans that I purchased excited about that. I purchased a pair of Calvin Klein jeans, you know, with the tag on it you can find him. No. That c k Honey Calvin Klein that little strip of Calvin Klein that was on your ass and the members are you out of your mind? I was sixteen. Are you kidding me? Kirch is them at sixteen. They're one hundred dollars pants in the ghetto. We don't feel southbound north Philadelphia Philadelphia. You take the train up to New York. I did on the ice to take the train. I used to dry ice is still my mother's car during studio fifty four days I used to I still on mother's car. Literally, Stu, my mother's car. Drive into the city and pray to God. Oh, no, no, no. She time. She heard me. She he she heard me she screamed my name as I was taking off with her Eldorado. But I remember dot com. It was a Brown Brown caramel colored El Dorado combines. Yes. But I would the mission was to get into fifty four. That was the mission. You've got to. Of course, not all the time. You know, it was hit and miss. You know what I mean? Of course, I got it all the time. They got pushed you. I got got in. Honey, I just glided. I was like those those were the days those were the days. Now, the days are brilliant because you are brilliant, and you have given so much to the world of culture team. But I mean, I must say for precious to the Butler, thank paper. Boy, I must say left that monsters monsters Pro Bowl fall. Oh, yes. Once he did it. My goodness. That's the first job. I didn't even know what. Yes. Be diddy. Now, you can get people to say yes to you that you would normally not want to people want to be on your set people covet to be on your set. You know, Mariah. I really I remember Jane Fonda taking some show. She really taught me we're talking. She's waiting for that call for Daniels. I'm waiting for the coffee Daniel billion buyer. How do you cast? Well, how would the classic them about for cooking cookie cookie cookie? I would like I'm the c word when it comes to my casting. We'll see where it was very nasty. I can't say oh God. It's very an ends with a y. It's very it's very that. When it comes to insist very very laws are out because the cast is the key the cast is key. Can't tell it without the right cast. How does she auditioned cookie? Does she choice you this like they all like everybody? Lord, helen. Helen, Mirren auditioned for me. Mariah. Mariah Oprah Oprah Winfrey. Audition Whitaker that you have to show me. Yes has a prior. She did she did district with the Butler. She comes in you have to hunting clause mountain wonderful the Butler, and she was. She's playing the Madam of the Bronx house where Richard grew up was bored. And we decided that I'm going to give her finger waves, and she's going to have a few. She's gonna ask them goal teeth. And she's got a blonde finger way. What is he going where she's we're going to stuff her it? I mean, I'm literally gonna stuff it. I'm gonna Titi spilling out. And I decided I think I want fake per. I went some fake big Pearl. Your fake big pearls over Cleveland and prints print dresses or big positively possible just set very tight tight hydrate. So she's on a diet as it's just gonna walk around in scuff. Yes. Like, you know, she's not going to walk around in perfect shoes. So we we we are very exciting. Yes. And then she ages. So, you know, you see her go and you see her living off of Richard's money. So she she starts dressing, and she started dressing in Dior, but she's ill placed it doesn't doesn't work. It's a wreck. It's a train wreck so tweet whether it's certainly nothing about you. Life with a train wreck you start life on the hard side the hard knocks. Yes. The hard knocks. You have totally become an EU wonderful. Thank you so much leave having so much shit. You be on I adore you. And I totally admire you, and your brilliant. Thank you, a great visionary genius thing. I can't wait to have you back on my show over. Thank you. God bless you aren't going to hold you to that. And you can't what about that? Chris rock, hold your that. To goodbye. Okay. Get into this business.

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202: H&M's Sweatshirt Snafu, Men's Fashion Week, '90s Style

Pop Fashion

1:01:32 hr | 3 years ago

202: H&M's Sweatshirt Snafu, Men's Fashion Week, '90s Style

"I guys this is Lisa and this is Kara. And this is pop fach. Hi, lisa. Guess what? We get is. It's almost Martin Luther King junior day. This is very true. It is also lead the gutter New York we. Oh, I wasn't counting that as this week. But I guess technically this happening in this. How under week it is. So when I see Karna New York this weekend that'll be the first time of senior person and more than a year. Oh, yes. You when I was in d in the D in the spring when I was in DC in the spring. I did not see you, correct. Where you deepen in the spring. Let me know. Was that forty slip? It was so Freudian wasn't frady in at all. Just went right over the shark. Came back. So yeah, we're going to New York or super site. It's been a long time since we shared a hotel room you, and I do well when we are travelling on business together we have done it in the past worked out, just fine. Looking forward to it friend here, man. Maybe we'll ashlin house hummers together. It's kind of like the Muppets take Manhattan except with fashion podcasts as exactly like that Lisa. That was a great comparison that was a one to one what it's going job. Good job. Shall we talk about the glitter elephant in the room as you called it? Now, I don't want to have we have to because I know that our listeners have been paying attention. I know I'm supposed to say, yes. And but I don't wanna Lisa I think you're saying no one I'm gonna complain the whole time. It's the new improv game. Knowing complain. Where I'm like at work. So the Golden Globes unless you've been living under Iraq, which you very well. Maybe I don't know your life the Golden Globe awards this past Sunday night. And instead of the usual, red carpet revelry and booze o'clock award show. It was a different kind of celebration. It was the first major award show sense. The metoo movement has really picked up since major sexual assault abuse harassment allegations have come out against a lot of men in Hollywood most of the women and some of the men banded together to wear black instead of wearing the usual rainbow of festive colors on the red carpet. And I love the way that Robin given talks about this in her article about how effective this was. And then I want Kearns take about how this was she says in the Washington Post the plan to wear black trickled out. Slowly, I was. Gestion then it was part of an orchestrated multi point fundraising and sensitivity raising platform, then it became an all inclusive. Everyone wear black even you folks. Watching the red carpet at home in your pajamas. It was a protest and then a sign of solidarity, and then well, no one quite knows exactly where it's heading the year is young. Then later, she says fashion can best be weaponized when it's allowed to speak boldly in loudly not when it's muffled KARN. How'd you like those black dresses? I would just like to thank the brave men and women. Who decided to wear black to an evening gathering? And of statement. So what I'm hearing is that you think the decision to our black to a black tie event. Not exactly affective in creating social change. Lisa. I just wanna thank the men who took the time to wear black tuxedos when they were planning on wearing black tuxedos. It takes a lot of guts to do that. And of statement are some additional things to say on the topic. Go for it. As someone who's wardrobe contains a whole lot of black. I really appreciate it the creativity and all of those black dresses there weren't too many dresses. I didn't like I thought everybody looked great even Sharon Stone, which I don't know she looked like she was wearing a fishing net. But she could wear the hell out of that vision net. She wore the hell out of it. The thing that. Struck me as off about it is sort of a long the lines of what Robin Davanas saying where you know, the red carpet is usually who are you wearing and this time all the red carpet. People said we're not going to ask you who you're wearing. We're going to ask you what you stand for. Okay. Let's talk about this real quick. Ooh. Fire up your emails people. I know they're coming. I absolutely one hundred percent agree with the idea of ask. Her more ask what you believe in your political thoughts and this year, especially it was about a larger subject matter. But we have to keep in mind that red carpet when celebs get asked to they're wearing a lot of time solidifies designers, and that there's some real money behind that that I heard Christian Syria. No talk about it this year, where he said, you know, this is part of a larger idea of how we survive as artists and designers that we get our closed on an actor and actress they get asked who they're wearing. And then it opens up possibilities for our brand. It opens up opportunities for more creativity within our field. And so I think the problem I have with don't ask who they're wearing is that it always relegates the idea to fashion being stupid and not worthy of discussion where it's like, you don't have to choose one or the other. These things do not have to be at odds fashion as always political even though I wasn't one hundred percent behind the idea of everybody where black it was minimal effort to a very large problem. I do think it illustrates the idea that fashion can't be political, and is political the idea of don't ask who you are wearing because it's too silly reinforces the notion that clothing is silly and stupid when it is a multi billion dollar industry. I agree. I think it is smiling the entire fashion industry to say, we're important to talk about you because thousands of people worked hours to make those beautiful gowns. Most of them were women. Yeah. And I think it is an injustice them not recognized their work. Yeah. And you don't have to choose. There's kind of this thing. You can't be both smart amputee full. You can't be both politically minded and care about your pants like it's a bizarre to -ality that we. Do not have to buy into you say you're wearing and then stand for something that is for thinking about Justice and social Justice. You could do both at the same time. Yeah. Exactly. I love the dresses. I hate the way we approached talking or not talking about the dresses. I'm also very upset at Christiana for putting Kelly Clarkson in that one gold glittery sleeve because that's leave just ruined that whole otherwise beautiful, look, but that's fine. That's my personal beef with Kelly Clarkson's one sleeve thought everybody, look great. And I wish that you know, man would just shut up and yield the floor forever. Anyway. Just got interesting. Text message zanex is only three dollars. And do you want some cookies? Where's Dan X three dollars? Apparently on our insurance plan. I'm going to have to look into that. Because I haven't gotten a refill anyway on next week's episode of Lisa and her own drug problems. Really loves that Santa axe. Okay. Thank you for letting me address the glittery elephant in the room. And we'll see what the rest of award season brings great times in Hollywood, and fashion. Okay. On word. What else you wanna talk about? Do you need to talk about this H M thing? All right. First of all, I'm so proud of everyone out there who emailed the show about the agent debacle and used the phrase dum Dums and their emails. I feel like we are spreading the good word. And I appreciate it. Thank you so much. None of you spell it the same way. But I'm okay. Spell it. However you want. So let's talk aid to them and decision. They made to a jumper. It was sold in the UK. So we can call it a jumper. It's a sweatshirt and it says on it coolest monkey in the jungle. It's green. Here's the problem. The model they put it on a little black. Boy, meanwhile in the same ad campaign. There's a little white boy wearing an orange hoodie that says like survival expert with picture of tiger on it. And so we go back to this issue that we run into a lot about like massive racial insensitivity from big brands who should know better H nem, wait until everybody weeded about this to issue. A response and said, we are deeply sorry that the picture was taken. And we also regret the actual print. Therefore, we have. Not only removed the image from our channels. But also the garment from our product offering globally before this happened agent. Stocks dropped pretty significantly and Stockholm. The weekend said he would no longer work with H nam anymore because he was deeply offended LeBron James and Diddy or whatever we're calling Sean combs these days he and LeBron James both posted edited versions of the photo that showed the little boy wearing a crown and making him the king yet. And I love that. Lebron James said, we as African Americans will always have to break barriers prove people wrong and work even harder to prove we belong. Agent Emma's issues with this before they have sold shirts that looked like concentration camp uniforms. They have had of clothing with unintentional swastikas all over them. There was a ATM item. That looks like Atta starve David on. It is this is this is a multibillion dollar company. Approximately many many people are involved with the creation of products conceptually and by hams tangible products. They're also many many people involved with the way that the brand chooses to photograph and market and advertise these items, and this is one more case where we have to say where was the oversight. You are a global brand. How were you not thinking of global audience that comes in every size, shape and color? Now. Look, am I glad the H M legit said. We are sorry. Yes. Because usually get sorry after the stock drop. Yeah. Look, look, they could've said we regret any missing, tended, whatever whatever. And not really said that we are. Sorry. I am trying to get what I can get this point because we have seen so many shitty. Apologies over the years of this podcast. Is that what we're asking? Just the minimum of knowledge that it was wrong. And we're okay with it. I'm not impressed by hey, we did something wrong because our standard of apology is so low I think our standard of apology is that low because it has been lowered by the brands that we hear shit from every day. I'm not saying that it should be this low. I'm not saying that I should be happy by this. But I think it says something that I am impressed at this response after a fuck up like this Kearns unimpressed. And should I twain that don't impress me much? No, no, girl. This is one of those times when I. I wish we use music Michaud because. And I think that's still infringement having all this says to me is that you have zero diversity in your staff at all levels. That's what it says to me. That is true. I don't know that numbers wise for sure, but we can make a pretty close assumption based on what we've seen over the years. I'm making my own observation. Yes. Yes. That's a legit observation. It's just really disappointing. All we want are some seven dollar t-shirts agent. For some seven dollar teachers that maybe aren't made with like child labor, so low the bar. So the bar really is that low one eighteen who we're building this distortion world up in new bitcoin by bitcoin. Okay. But anyway, dumb dumbs next story. Can we go onto the next story? It was really upsetting. And I like, I can't imagine being a mother of child who could have ended up wearing you know. Let's do positive story. Oh, you've got one of those. Yeah. Do American Eagle outfitters had a good holiday season. Great story store sales increased by Apor sent last month. The company reported its eleventh consecutive quarter of increased sales growth. What one this is big news because teen stores have been on the Fritz for the past number of years them showing growth and having a positive holiday sale season is a wonderful surprise. There have been so many of those stores that have been right on that at that bubble. We've talked about him for years. Good news to have any insight on what made their holiday so successful. We don't know yet. They are supposed to a large report in March where hopefully we'll get some insights on if it was because of a new ad campaign is because of training within stores if the market is just turning around as a whole. Remember Abercrombie and Fitch was the one that we were talking about so much because they weren't just tanking. They did some huge things to turn sales around including having the colored black and their store turn down the music doing things with the lighting. And I wondered if there was something similar going on with American Eagle outfitters. And if they were making just very specific strategic choices that led to a larger sales growth but good to hear regardless. My prediction weaking back in check. This March report comes out, but my suspicion is that they're strongest areas for holiday sales are for Denham. Yeah. And for inner wear I don't wanna call lingerie because it's a team store, and that's kind of weird, but the area brand of underwear and brow. Let's and stuff is really strong. So we're gonna come back to those two categories when we look at that quarterly report, you are so smart because you you are you are so smart because the thing that I've noticed. About their products, and their offerings that underwear collection is so strong and are using real models part of that real model campaign where they're not doing Photoshop. They're being thoughtful about their model choices it doesn't mean. It's all perfect. But I do think that they're positioning themselves correctly. And they have the stuff to back it up because I like their underwear I think it's good. It lasts longtime. It does last a long time. It does and their Denham has always been strong. Agreed. And they're tapped into a teen market that it's a solid product at a good price point that parents can purchase from that place. Yeah. Teen story or not afraid to bring your mom and dad into right? Saying says me as a team I am a team. I don't have good news there. You know, I always have news about what's closing, Sears holdings has informed employees at sixty four K marts and thirty nine Sears locations that it's going to be closing those stores between early March and early. April liquidation sales are starting right about now. They informed employees that everybody who's getting let go from a store that's closing. They're going to get some severance, and they can apply for open positions at other K marts and Sears locations in the area. Yeah. Oh, so they're not just automated moving them over there, saying reapply, they have to reapply. Gotcha. So based on how Sears KMart seems to be doing these days, I'm curious as to how many of those people will actually be able to reposition and other locations or already have enough or too much staff, especially because we're looking at after the holidays now when they don't need quite as much I looked at the store closing list and a lot of these stores. I looked at the states where I kind of have an idea where those Sears locations where like back in Pennsylvania and Maryland, and they're not in terribly urban areas or areas that are very well populated by other options for that type of shopping. I see I wonder if there's going to be a hole in the market and a lot of these locations where the Sears or KMart is shutting down then you have to think about you know, where those people are going to be able to find jobs they can get to if they don't have transportation. So the ripple. Effect of retail closings is just continuing on. Interestingly enough, I saw today that land's end is planning to expand its physical store offerings. And you may remember that in two thousand two Sears bought lands end and started offering its clothing inside at stores that one south. I forgot about that. It was that's like you remember to celebrities that have no dealings with each other start dating. And you're like how did that happen? How did that happen? Julia roberts. I did not know. So deal the relationship between them or it was like nailing down the school uniform market and alas Sears stores because lands end has all of those uniform basics that relationship ended in a year that I don't remember which one it was, but you can still find some lands and items sold in Sears stores, but it's interesting that all Sears is contracting. Its number of stores. And as offerings lands end is feeling strong enough to open physical locations. Good for them. This is a little little insight because laid it has good shit. Just just my personal feeling. It's well constructed. It's well-constructed any no what I breezed through some lands end stuff on Sears that was marked down to ridiculously low prices. And I bet you lands end isn't happy at its brand being diluted by the never ending cycle of department store. Sales ABSA frequent Lutely coming in hot today is she really going out with him unlikely. Couples. Let's name some who are unlikely couples H and M in the weekend. Who would out with each other? And you were like really that really happening. Oh, you know. Elizabeth moss. Was dating front Armagh, San I think they may have gotten married, but then they got unmarried because maybe she was a scientologist, and Fred was not cool with that. Or maybe because he's a real big dick allegedly. What Hollywood is mess up? Stop dating everyone. Stop it all of you. I me and anyone that's an unlikely Cupo. Oh, burn on myself. That's not true. That's not true. I have two cats. I'm not alone. Gosh, Brittany spears and Colin Farrell us to go out. What Shiloh buff went on a date with riana? No. Did you just Google weird celebrity couples? Yes. Okay. Rita some more because I'm sure it's a real like a site with a real good reputation, like celebrity odd, couples dot com with hyphens and between all the words. Here's what I never. Understood. Mariah Carey Nick cannon never just that one. Yeah. I understand completely Moby and Natalie Portman. That's not too weird. Oh, do you. Remember when Madonna data Dennis Rodman? Now that was a weird couple. Bats a couple. He's trying to save us from North Korea or something, right? Let's hope let's hope somebody's gotta do it. I don't know if Madonna's trying to save us from anything. Wrinkles. She's had work dominee. No it allegedly. Shall we move on? Yeah. I was a lot of fun. But sure, let's talk about retail. You're like, well, I was trying to have fun. No complain about it. Do have a good piece of news. Nathan Gendelman is back at Diane. Von furstenberg. This could be good news. If you remember Devi f- had a crazy end to twenty seventeen drama all over the place. I she announced that she wanted to sell an equity stake, and her company a few days later Jonathan Saunders resigned as chief creative officer happened really quick Devia. Just doubts that Nathan Gendelman will be taking Saunders place. He previously worked at the brand for ten years. He was there from two thousand one to two thousand eleven and his role. He will oversee all design for the brand and his first collection will show and February because the fashion world is insane. He just got that job last week, and you show what February the poster child for. Why you don't burn bridges? Diane might call you go up and be like, hey, you free right now. Do you feel like making an entire collection in about seven days come on over friend? I've been watching product roll my I'm ready for this. Is this a two-day challenge? It's a ten day challenge. Lisa get it straight. Wow. That's luxury us a little bit about Jenin's background. He studied at Saint Martin's. And at the Royal College of art he had an apprenticeship with John Galliano while he was at DV f the first time around he launched his own label and left to pursue that line. He recently worked with global brands group. So this is a guy that's got a great resume in my opinion. I think that he had a great run of years at Diane von Furstenberg. I liked Saunders designs thought it was a really fun exciting time while he was at DV f but there's something about genders work that I thought was very approachable his designs could be worked into everyday life, really easy. There isn't approach approachability to his design that I hope will work its way back into Devi F, and maybe she won't wanna sell that stake anymore. I don't know. Maybe she's done. This is her version of putting her sights on another type of work because she worked so hard on this brand I've read that she really wants to do politically active work. Maybe she's just end for the next chapter chapter for sure, but I don't really see her ever being done. You know, if you like always things about she would reflect my future in which I never be able to retire at all die slumped over my desk at nine o'clock at night. Hey, lisa. I have the same plan. Everyone's doing it these days, we're gonna diner dust going to be great. Yeah. Desk, Gloria full-time jobs at the age of seventy five. Yeah. It's the future. Lisa cool. I'm psyched, I have another retail closing tell you about briefly Marc Jacobs is going to close its London store and several other European locations. A spokesperson for LVMH which oversees the brand did not comment, but the closings are. Pretty much set to happen. The Paris location is going to stay open. This has been part of a multi year restructuring of the Mark Jacobs brand you may remember that Marc Jacobs was the artistic director at Louis Vitton, also of the LVMH umbrella brand he left there in twenty thirteen to focus on his own brand. But in the same span of years, you know sense than has shut down the Marc by Marc Jacobs brand has shut down some mainline Marc Jacobs locations. I forgot that Marc Jacobs had a bookstore that closed down. Yeah. Yeah. You bookmark with a C for Allosaurus in the US have closed some international stores have closed. I don't think this is a warning bell for Marc Jacobs. I think this is a continued move in a restructuring and a drawing in of the brand to really refine it, do you think is Brandon? Struggling or they sincerely doing a restructuring. I don't know if the brand is struggling I don't know if I would go that far. I think there is something to be said about pulling back when you've expanded too far, and it doesn't make sense to have a brand. That's that big. And that diffuse the market has changed so much in the past few years. I understand why they would pull back pour money into other outlets or to just decide to use money differently. That I understand but closing in London. Sounds big. Yeah. Closing in London seems to be a pretty big move. But I can only imagine that London location is a pretty expensive spot something with maybe a smaller footprint may open the future. But I think the brand has been doing a lot over the past couple of years to elevate itself by closing the outlet stores by shutting the Marc by Marc Jacobs line. And if Haiyan is what they're going for. I think they're headed in the right direction. I was sad when they decided to shutter Marc by Marc Jacobs because it was so fun. It was just such a fun line. But if they want to reinvest that money into the future of designing towards a more luxury clientele. It was good move. Yeah. You don't belong in LVMH by selling off price goods Kenya. Repeat that for the people on the back. Yes. I'll be waiting in line for my invitation enjoying LVMH any day now. It's gone. Hennessy. Heck, yes. Just wondering on a business car. Don't you? I just want those four letters a lot of people want like MD, ph D. I want LVMH at the end of my business card. Bring it baby. I dream big. Okay. I understand. I will be your cheerleader all the way through right on. I've got LVMH dreams on an H in them. But okay, let's move on tells them other fashion news, you got some other stuff. Yes. Yes. And ended. Just in case, you did not know Amazon did really well in twenty seventeen really probably other ones. Heady ruxton. Here are some stats Amazon had forty four percent of all s e commerce sales in twenty seventeen. That's a big statement. They had four percent of total retail sales this year. That's an estimated two hundred billion dollars in sales. Now, you may say what does the to do with fashion everything there? Apparel category grew by thirty two percent. It is estimated that by twenty twenty their global apparel sales could be eighty five billion dollars. So they're not getting smaller people. They are getting bigger. They wanna take over bigger chunks of the apparel industry. One thing to keep in mind as you're like, yeah. Yeah. We know that Amazon wants to sell more clothes. They're also interested in the beauty. Category. Beauty grew by forty seven percent and twenty seventeen that's a total of almost four hundred million dollars now to give you a point of comparison, though. So there in one corner with four hundred million dollars in sales for Amazon and the other corner think of this as a comparison Ulta beauty had almost five billion dollars and sales and twenty sixteen. That's the latest that we have had diggity Ulta for real Amazon sales are small comparison. But the thing that they have is that they grew by forty seven percent and one year, and they want more they want more of that beauty pie. So I have a prediction that Amazon is going to bring smaller beauty brands into their fold. I think they're going to reach out for smaller brands and try to bring them into Amazon so that can grow that category by buying them. Or by offering them, a better incentive to be a third party seller. I think it's gonna. Start off as third party at eventually turn into something where they want to have exclusive rights to specific product or specific line. The thing that we've got to understand about Amazon as that they're not out to compete with brands. They want it. I don't think this is going to happen in the next year. But I do think this is a longer term strategy on how they want to have a hold on specific products. And I know that one of the hangups for a lot of people in buying beauty products or health products may be vitamins along those lines something that you either injust or put on your body. There's a bit of a hesitation about ordering from Amazon because of the amount of third party sellers. Because you're not always sure where something's coming from his Amazon shipping it out if it some random guy Omaha. I think there's a heightened sensitivity about am. I getting the quality of product that I'm expecting when you buy something like a health and beauty product on Amazon. You know, it's not like. Ordering the cord to hook up your TV to your computer, which I finally got which like is not gonna poison me if it's the wrong one, right? It's going to be made to a certain standard. And I'm gonna know as soon as I opened the package, whereas a beauty product may be sealed when it gets to you by you don't know what happened to for it got an packet. And I think getting over that integrity consideration is a big one for a lot of people who may still be going to brick and mortar stores to get a lot of those related products. I would like to allow room for consideration that the beauty vertical made look different in the future. Tell me more I would like to allow room for thought or discussion about how Amazon may break off, its, beauty and fashion categories. So some of these issues can be addressed that it becomes its own entity. I would not be surprised if there were some kind of cultivation of different type of user experience around the fashion beauty categories that takes care of some of those concerns again, I don't think this is something that's going to happen in the next year. But I'm really thinking about their long term strategy and how they what to be a player in these places. So what you're saying is Gary for some innovation. Yeah. Absolutely face it. You should always be ready for some innovation at this point. Yeah. Hold onto your butts. So what was it? Forty four percent of all commerce purchases last year were Amazon. Yeah, that's like higher than any president approval rating ever. To put in perspective. Yeah. Just a number spectrum. More people are shopping on Amazon than like any president ever. It is all one to one apples to apples comparison them make such me. Can I please? Can I please talk about fanny packs? Yes, you can. And can you define what fanny means in our country versus what it might mean in some other places. So here's some other phrases. That mean, the same item a bum bag a belt bag a waste bag here in the states. A fanny pack is a little bag attached to about that. You wear on your hip. Thank you for allowing me to make that cultural distinction. Good call. Because I hear that Fannie can mean other things in other places. So that's why I want to say it, and as the proper southern woman, you are just wanted to clarify. Yeah. Longtime listeners may recall that we've talked about fanny packs before and the new surge in popularity of these items. But we're gonna talk about them again KARN. Seems to remember the last time we talked about them. What what did you say? You remember from that conversation Carin? I remember you saying something negative about them. And being like, no, I love them. I wanna fanny pack. I won't one and you being like, what are you talking about? And there was this little blip on the screen. This is a couple of years ago where there were a few brands that were putting out new ones, and then the kind of disappeared for a little while. But it sounds like they are back. More people are catching on this time around. Yeah. And how the tables have turned because I'm the one sitting here who apparently was just poo pooing fanny packs back in the day. And now I own one. Yeah. I wear when I go out dancing. So I don't have to rely on my pockets or purse get on the train, and I have little to. No shame about wearing the same fanny pack with whatever outfit. I happen to be wearing. But enough about me the reason we're talking about fanny packs because last year EBay sold more than fifty seven thousand of them. Oh, golly EBay has a top. Shop report every year and the twenty seventeen report was released last week. And they said more than fifty seven thousand fanny packs were purchased on the online marketplace last year, they were among the most popular eighties and nineties street where items that EBay at has made a huge comeback. They're a couple of other items from the time that are popular again on EBay, including champion sweatshirts. Adidas superstar sneakers Reebok classics and Nike Cortez sneakers. If you search EBay right about now fashion east reports that there are still about fifty thousand results for fanny packs, they're not running out inventory, but they look into the reasons that maybe the fanny packs have become so popular we are going through a time where retro items are popular. And right now, the era of vintage that is coming into vogue is the early to mid nineties. So I think it sits in two. The cycle of fashion common ground that Fania acts are part of that era. That's coming back into the scene. There is also the new style of wearing a fanny pack as a cross body bag instead of around your waist supreme has definitely done this in some of its ads runway shows, I don't think it's particularly comfortable. But I think it's a look, especially if it says the premodern it because that looks as I got money, Honey, exactly. And you have to think about EBay as where people go when they don't wanna pay a retail price for something. Right. The other reason they go to EBay is if they can't find something in the store. So if you're maybe a store like an urban outfitters or something that specializes in like trendy street wear and you've got a couple of different kinds of fanny packs, but maybe they're sold out because you only ordered five hundred of them because you weren't sure they were gonna go over really big. Well, even if you're sold out somebody can still go on EBay and find something from back in the day. That's going to fit the style. Instead of they're looking for because there are so many out there. I can't tell you anything about the integrity of the zippers or of any stretch in the material or things dry rotted on these vintage fanny packs, but they're having a bit of a heyday approved. You know, the new Cardi B video came out, and it's all about the in living color, and I was looking at the video, and it's really featuring Cardi B, but come on. I was looking at all the clothes, and I just I was young when all that was going on. But there's something so joyful and happy about that early nineties era of clothing. It was bright. It was fun. It was fun. It was weird. And right now, I think anything that comes along in clothing form that feels like a celebration. I'm kinda for it. What do you think? Lisa. I'm I'm a hundred percent for it anything that brings a little bit of fun into our day. This point is great. I also always laugh at myself. And I don't know if I told the story, but my first fanny pack was very slim one designed for runners, and the idea was that it would not show under an untucked shirt at all when I was out in it. And I would try to shove my phone and my lipstick on my money in there. I was maybe overdoing it on. What that nine dollar fanny pack from Amazon could hold. And. At the club. I go to unzip it and I rip the effort right off it. Hold on for in my hands. And I'm clutching at my waist to keep everything from falling out. That's when I knew I might need to spend more than nine dollars on a fanny pack, you go then I bought the twelve dollar version, and it's great and has like three different pockets in it. And you know, nobody looks like a ninety s mom quite like, I do when I wear it. But look, look, and here's where fashion gets political. I'm gonna bring it back to this. There was a great conversation on our Twitter feed yesterday, including a woman that I happen to know from where and CARA banks, she is a personal finance educator. She has a podcast or her podcast is called, oh, my dollar, and she was procrastinating on a project yesterday related to writing what she does a lot of and she chose to catalog every item in her wardrobe instead of doing the work that she was supposed to be doing calling you out Lillian. And so she tweeted and shared with us a pie chart of the number of skirt. She owns with pockets. So forty two percent of her skirts. Have pockets fifty percent of her skirts. Do not have pockets and eight percent of her skirts. Have what she calls crappy lady pockets. I would like to posit a theory yet if we didn't have these crappy lady pockets, and we put more pockets and more garments for women the need for the fanny pack would drop dramatically. This is an amazing theory cosign coming to go out on a limb assume that Lillian is a woman with a pretty average size wardrobe. She's not some mogul with gigantic closet. I'm pretty sure that this chart reflects what's in most of our closets right now. So find the eight percent of your crappy lady pockets berm them in a fire. And what I mean by that is donate them to good cause and start over Vienna. The other day he went to go put his ipad away. And I thought he was going to have to take a bag with him. And he said, no, that's okay. And he opened up his coat and put the entire Pat and his pocket. And I said what a jerk. I said, no, that's amazing. I love you. And I hate how close are designed. Sometimes I can't believe he was able to put that in his pocket, and he was two days in a row. I need to preface by saying I bought two new to me blazers online over the holiday. I wore one for the first time yesterday, and I were different blazer today that I had worn before. So I wasn't a stranger to it. And both days. I did that like subconscious thing ride lifted the left side out to see if there is an inside pocket, and then I'm like looking at maybe it's on the right side. Nope. You don't have one because you're a lady why do you deserve an interior breast pocket. Let me tell you why. Because I have a phone, and I don't want my my flaps flap in when I have it in my waist pocket. So too much to ask this is why you need a Sou NFL any pack because that look is really big right now do you like high acted that? Alec. I was a teen pterodactyl. Leases opening and closing jacket right now, you're going to have to fix all those overlapping ideas that we just have in which I caught myself a teen pterodactyl. That's how I think of you to Lisa anyway, you should let us know your thoughts on fanny packs because I just wanna see what your tweets look like on this topic. We wanna see the social media that comes out of not not saying, you should do it for me. But who else are you doing it for let's talk about men's fashion? Always besides envious of their pocket game. Let's talk about John Vado's. He is showing on January twenty six in New York. He is going off calendar and doing a runway show at the start of Grammy's weekend in New York because we have obviously embraced chaos. New York fashion week is good place to catch the flu could place to get the flu. Of course. All right, February fifth through seventh is New York fashion week men's and February fifth through fourteenth is New York fashion week. So there's a kind of a subset and there for men's fashion, but it's really kind of that whole time. He's going outside of that calendar to do a show in January and February it's a backup a little bit. The Grammys are coming back to New York. Nobody cares because. Oh, I was about to ask. Nobody cares. Why? Nobody cares. Because really are the Grammy's any indication of what's going on in music these days anyway, come on. That's another show Cardi B's invited. That's another show in another argument. However is the first time back to New York since two thousand three so he's attaching himself to this event for showing his collection. Here's what happened the portion of New York fashion week shifted by a week to correspond with women's fashion week. So that's how they're overlapping for Vado said, quote, we weren't sure how we were going to show again in New York and had talked about doing a party as early as last fall. So when they moved up the dates, we thought it would be a fun thing to do his runway show will be at a former synagogue on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. There are going to be a lot of stars in town for the Grammy's, my guess is that there are going to be a rock and roll stars at this event not to show. Abby some good planning. It's also perhaps strategically placed for press Paris men's shows and on January twenty first New York fashion week begins on February fifth. So there is a gap and show coverage, and he's going to be right in the middle of that gap. This guy's a genius. This is kinda smart isn't in the past purveyed 'as showed his collection in Balon. He showed it there for seven years, but when men's fashion week broke off and became its own thing and twenty fifteen he was the marquee designer for that event, but he didn't show at that event last year that was a big deal when it broke off to become its own thing. Because at that point there was a real belief that men's fashion week would sustain on its own. But then there's kind of this fuzzy period afterwards, and then kind of decision to attach to women's fashion week. But he was the person here was a driving force behind like if he's showing here, maybe other men's designers can show here at the specialized New York. Men's fashion week two. Yeah. So a question that we were asking last year was is this the end of New York fashion week, as we know it so many designers were breaking away from it and showing and Paris or making decisions to show in different parts of the country. If you remember there was even some people who were saying, hey, we're not gonna do New York fashion week, but we're gonna go to California and show some runway shows and California. So there are plenty of people doing things outside the fashion calendar. It's not surprising that he has this relationship with music that he wants to explore a little bit his past designs have been really influenced by rock and roll. He was born in Detroit. He opened up a store recently, and Detroit, which is a big music city in our country. He's talked about in the past how rock and roll runs through the veins of his brand. So there is a connection to music there. But is it a big deal that somebody with Vado's talent is breaking off and attaching themselves not to New York. Week, but to another big event now, I think the runway climate has become so muddled and so crowded that anything you can do to get a tension out of that prescribe timespan for your city or country. If you can do it strategically you should do it because this is a move that is catering towards his customers. And I think that's the most important move to make this point. So it's not about the collective power of New York fashion week bringing a bunch of press there. It's about the decision to do the best thing for your brand and your specific audience. Heck, yes. All right. Devil's advocate. Do you miss bringing in new people to your designs if you are only catering to the audience that's already defined? No. Because even though you're going to host a show for specific audience. I e the Grammy attendees they're still going to be. Tons of photo and video from your show. People are still going to see your stuff, and you're still gonna get new eyeballs maybe for him because he's a powerhouse. Yeah. Yeah. Like, the press is still going to go to that show. They're still gonna write about it, even though it's off schedule, and that's probably going to be to benefit. Yeah. So like, I wouldn't recommend it for someone who's an up and comer, but I think for someone who's this established. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. It's smart doesn't make the weather any better still going to be cold as heck. But maybe there's going to be a lot of good coats love good coat. You'll be seeing me and a good coat in about five days. Carne get ready. Won't be in my bed with my vote. Oh, yeah. Do you think it's turning into a free for all? Yes. It's been a free for all for a long time. I don't think it's been a free for all for a long time. But it's been bubbling under the surface for a number of years. I'm not saying it's chaos on the level of like a three year old's birthday party trampoline. Gym. But I think people are making their own rules now because New York fashion week is an organization hasn't given them. A compelling reason to stay within the lines. Ooh. That's so painful, but the truth resonates. Oh, right. No, I'm sorry. New York fashion week you need to hear it. Sometimes the truth is hard, Lisa, right? I'm not saying a mad was disappointed disappointed that it's not pulling through as the powerhouse. At Wentz was or that designers going outside to find an answer, the former I think designers, can do whatever they have to innovate. Well, let us know. What you think about that one? Do not at me stand by what I said. I said what I said and the words of needy leaks. Should we move on listener letters, do it? I'm gonna start with a brief tweet that I'm still mulling over. So cheesy says big fan of your show. Have you heard of the app? Good on you cool idea but rating old navy H M forever. Twenty one is ethical companies is the joke peak around tell me what you think have you tried this up. I have not. But I love that it's named after one of our segments of our show. I think good on you the app may have been developed concurrently as the good on you segment on our show. Not the way I tell this story. But this website and app has developed a rating system about ethics and environmentalism. I have not spent enough time with the app yet. But I wanted to throw it out there because I'm wondering if other people have used it, and what you think because we talk a lot about the idea of fast fashion companies and weather what they're doing for the environment or for ethical fashion. You know, whether they're doing enough for it to be worth the effort. So she raises a good point on whether it's like worth rating these gigantic companies, but let us know what you think I want to know if you've used the good on you app or website. And what you think and we will revisit this perhaps next week. Let's see here is a question from Amanda, and I'm springing this on car. And so we may not have an answer this week. But we'll see how it goes. Amanda says I am shop mahalick over the years. I overbought aiding. This is always been a form of therapy. One thing I noticed I get this small rush of excitement from just buying something new for my wardrobe to give you a full picture of my shopping problem. I have turned an entire room into a closet. I have of a small walking closet full of my clothes. I have another half of another room full of my clothes basement full and you speak slower, please. And lower. I went to imagine this. Okay. Lisa continue basement full of clothes and shoes with a bunch of more clothes and shoes. But I want to get rid of so all in all one entire room to half closets and a large portion of my basement full things for my wardrobe. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate you. Indulging me. That was really sexy. To half closets at one entire okay? Factual. Amanda, she says you may ask why I need this much stuff. All I can say, I do not need all this stuff. But buying has been a huge problem. For me. Needless to say, I'm working on my own personal demons to figure out why I have this addiction to shopping. My main question here are there. Any good sights. Good suggestions for learning to shop in your own closet. I am determine this year to conquer this addiction. But I would love some help along the way. Thank you for any insight, and I look forward to hearing from you a die hard fan of pop fashion. Amanda KARN has our resident silenced. I know that one of the things that you would do with your clients was to go through cigarette outfit combinations in someone's closet. And then I believe you would take photos of them. Yes. Dressed in those outfits. But I wonder if there's any solution for Amanda that doesn't require having a buddy to take your picture. First of all, Amanda, I'm so proud of you for recognizing this and dealing with it. And then talking about it to over shopping as something that's very common. But people don't address a lot in their lives. As far as like, what does this mean, am I doing it for particular reason? And the fact that you're being reflective about it says a lot about who you are as person and just the strength of character there. I really want to congratulate you for that. Because it takes a lot of guts to be like, why am I doing this on anything in anybody's life to be like, why am I why am I always eating cookies or whatever it just takes a lot of guts. Always eating cookies. Here's here's something that Kearns thinking about this. And here's something that comes up for me. Amanda, is that your personal demons are yours tomato personally over a course of time. Right. You're not going to solve this issue for yourself tomorrow. But if you turn to a tool to work with your wardrobe, you risk getting caught up in the tool and not really making progress with the demons, you know, so I'm not saying that you need to get rid of a certain amount of clothing. Like, I don't know what your goal is in either reducing what's in your closet or using it more wisely. But you may have to do this longhand at first until you get to the point where closet is edited down to a point where you feel like it's manageable. And that you can get creative with interchanging pieces into outfits. I wonder if. A series of capsule collections will actually help this problem. Meaning you go into your closet, and you pick out thirty pieces you get a bar where you put those thirty pieces, and there's no going in and out of your closets. Your multiple closets and tell us everything within the thirty pieces they've pulled. And so then it becomes like you start to train yourself to us. What you have and limited numbers because when we have so much it can be overwhelming to the point of we get stuck. How do I deal with this stuff? And so if you pull thirty pieces and start from there and challenge yourself and make two game. How many days can I get out of this thirty piece capsule collection? And if you get stuck try it for two weeks, see what you can make at the end of that she weeks decide what pieces did I really love what pieces did I I was kinda mad about keep the ones that you love get rid of the ones you don't and then build another. Thirty piece collection out of what you already own do at five times. See what happens see what you fall in love with because part of this is falling in love with what you already have. And if you have that much to work with Mike is you'll find tons of different ways to put together different outfits. But because there's so much grist in the mill you can't really deal with it right now. So get a small collection together and say if I only have these pieces what can I do? Yeah. And car and says do it five times, and that might be five times over the course of a year. You know, you don't have to do it constantly and expect huge results of yourself and take a season by season. There's no need for you to be going through summer stuff. Now. I have no idea where you're located. You could be in Australia. But there's no reason for you to be going through summer stuff. Now, would you should be focusing on the winter stuff that you might actually be wearing at this time of year? So go with the natural instincts of the seasons. Take this one bite at a time. Time. What is it the expression the only way to eat elephant? And I think my fear is that the tools may hinder true progress for you because you know, what's on every shopping or clothing app is pictures of more closer gonna want. Yes. So true could point stop looking at Instagram for awhile for your own good for my own good. Maybe start thinking of as an outlet for your creativity. Sometimes I think we try to change something about ourselves. We go into restrictive mode of a can't I can't I can't cut it out cut it out cut out, maybe framing this in a way of how creative can I be each day with this grouping? It could be fun, and it could become just another way that you engage creatively with your life. Kudos for come this far. Yeah. It takes a lot to admit that you have any teams at all down demons. Come in the form of a walk in closet. A room turned into a closet and other. Closet girl. Keep us posted. We're rooting for you. We also know from Emily who says highly Sutton car, and I'm writing about your December twenty first show, you talked about Amazon, buying domain names related to bitcoin and currency. I write about scams for the Better Business Bureau in with Lisa on this topic. I think purchasing these domains is a way to prevent scammers from using Amazon's name. It's a super common technique scammers by domains that look like those belonging to real businesses are us businesses name as a sub domain. Shopper should always make sure they are on the correct domain in this case, it would be something like Amazon dot com slash bitcoin or bitcoin dot amazoNcom. Hope this helps Emily wonderful. What a great Email smart. Thank you smart lady. I think Evelyn I write about some of the same stuff in our day jobs. We have one more letter from Russia who says I was listening to last week show. And I have a small. Target up the street. I live in walking distance from the university of Cincinnati. It's midwest urban. So there are lot of smaller footprint shops, we've smaller Kroger to it's two floors. And there is a bar upstairs. You can sit and drink and watch TV and look at people shopping on the first floor. I meet people there sometimes for meetings. Anyway, the target is really small, but it does have a small selection of clothes in a decent selection of food and drinks. They have a lot of stuff you'd need for a dorm room or rental house and good size Tron IX area for this is also quite a bit of makeup and bodycare stuff. The clothes are definitely geared to college students. Only self-checkout is very prominent. But there are a couple of people there to check you out the old fashioned way. There's also a target car. It looks like a small van and drive students back and forth to the store. There's also a parking garage that was there before target. But now specific spaces in that garage for target parking only for me. I don't go. There a ton because there is. Enough products there for me. However, it is basically right on campus. So lots of students walk there. It just opened the summer I'm going to guess in the summer. It will not have as many customers. The thing that may excited about this Email because during that conversation we were talking about box stores and how they can perhaps start meeting the needs of the community where they are. And so the idea of this target car or of the shuttle going back and forth to a college campus because that's what is needed in order to deal with the reality of who. They're shopper is got me really excited to be like who else is going to do this in the marketplace is going to think through the logistics of how does our shopper get here. How do they go home? What do they actually need? And what are they looking for when they're here and that coming from a large name it makes me excited to think about the possibilities? That are out there to not reinvent what your brand is. But to just think of it from a customer, a shopper point of view. Yeah. This is really smart. They opened one of those small targets right on the edge of campus. Where I went to school at university of Maryland. But they did it several years after I graduated, and I was pretty bummed that I missed it. Because before that it was either you had a car or you can walk to see the ass or you could take the bus to the metro two stops away to get off and walk a little ways to the target. And then bring it all back. You know, it's tough as a college kid, especially in on a huge campus who may not have their own transportation to get those normal household things. So this is genius on targets part the target car. Like, Hello genius. Meet your customers where they are. And a lot of them are on college campuses. They need toilet paper and paper towels just like the rest of us, and they need red cups, really, really bad. They need red cups, and they maybe need a couple of ping pong balls. Just put those in the same aisle next to one another be. Love twenty two year old Lisa. Okay. Those are all the listener letters that. I have I'm going to detox memory now if you would like to get in touch with us this week, go to pop fashion podcast dot com. There are tons of ways to get in touch with us there. You could write us letter. You can follow us individually on Twitter, you could also shop our Amazon link. It is a yellow box on our home page click that link it will take you to Amazon it will cost you nothing extra, but it will help out the show and just reminder that if you tune in next week it's going to be a totally different show because we're going to be on location at the national retail federation big show in New York. So we're getting bundled up for our wintertime adventure. And we'll talk to you next week.

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Marc Jacobs: I Still Have Stories to Tell

The Business of Fashion Podcast

51:19 min | 10 months ago

Marc Jacobs: I Still Have Stories to Tell

"It I was horrified by what I was seeing as people's sort of lack of learning collectively. To what just happened were is happening. It's still happening is hasn't changed yet. Isn't that interesting that we could be the people that scandalise idea of being forced to create something and tell a story constantly what it has no meaning it has no soul it has no authenticity or credibility. Just seem so vacant. I have a choice every morning. I can take care of myself and be of use or I can lie in bed and contribute to the garbage. Hi this is Imran Ahmed founder and CEO of the business of fashion and. Welcome to the PODCAST. It's Mental Health Awareness Week and last week on Bureau F. Live our editor at large Tim. Blanks spoke to the celebrated American designer. Marc Jacobs who touched on a variety of topics from working through the krona virus crisis and maintaining his creativity but also on how the crisis is impacting his own mental health at this time of anxiety and stress for people around the world. Here's Mark Jacobs inside fashion. Hi Tam I'm such a pleasure to see it today. It's always a pleasure to see you. Tim and this will be out conversation for the next few seasons. I guess because we want you seeing each other in well who knows who knows where I am. I am in New York City in my hotel room in Soho Talking to you you've seen in a hotel rooms for the whole luck. Yes yes yes has that been. It's been let's let's put it this way. I'm grateful to be in a place where I'm comfortable. I'm going to start under the start on the. I'm going to start this chat on a positive note. So what have to keep going back to my mind is that I am grateful. I have my two dogs with me. I have clean made bed that I made this morning. I have what I need. I've got a closet full of clothes that I can play with. Have got a couple of makeup bags that I can play with. I have my iphone and my ipad which connect to other people with and I have the where I can sit outside and get some air so I am very grateful that I'm comfortable today and I feel like I'm taking care of and obviously you confidently connect with people. I'm finding. I'm actually connecting with people more than I usually do because quoting about connecting with now. But I have well. It's a strange thing. Isn't it connection? Because I never really I think of this as a type of connection and I we can use these devices of hours to connect with people in some superficial way or in some way that's different but I'm a luddite and I believe in live contact. I believe in note writing letter writing. I believe in seeing people across the dinner table or having a coffee with them I see. I don't see I didn't grow up with life on the screen and I didn't grow up with cell phone in my hand at or or night at or nih-funded whatever and I like live performance in live theater and I liked. I like going into shops. I like seeing people on streets so while this is some form of connection. It certainly. I don't have any kind of real connection to this form of connection. So but how how? How does this thing for you then? Well it's a kind of a kind of goes in waves and spurts. I mean they're I'm very sort of manic depressive. In a way I mean I am you know. My mental health goes from mania to depression. So there are days where I just feel extremely depressed and feel like it's the end of the world. And then your days were mannequin. I just think what a great opportunity for us all to learn collectively from this and move forward and then there's all the grays in between but I mean I tend to go from the basement to attic in five seconds. You know like In terms of emotions and so it's been very hard because I also not really in control of how you feel. You know the ceilings common. It's just a question of how I kind of accept them and and sort of you know honor them etc. So so I've had moments of feeling very productive and creative and moments feeling just like what's it all sore or is that all there is as I keep saying the south. You Camilla Louder. You have exactly. Isn't it funny? How life comes along to trip up those kind of those little notions and give them a sort of real time white. Will you see it's this? It's this computer right here. That fascinates me the most. And that's what I think is always this kind of amazing thing. I have this kind of faulty computer. Which is my brain and it's not faulty in the sense that it doesn't work but it just kind of works as it does right and so. I mean for absolutely no apparent reason. I could do everything I did yesterday. And Go to sleep on time and wake up on time and have my vitamins draped might juices for some reason the Sun could be shining and I can have the most miserable attitude about life and see things through the darkest leads and then I could stay up all night and and and not drink juices not my vitamins and like the sun isn't shining and I'm just like full of hope and you know like so who knows and then yes they're like these songs that comes my head in these things. I've seen in these performances. I know I don't know like books I've read and you know I don't. I'm not in charge of where the where where my brain sort of fires on a particular day but like it just doesn't it and it's like kind of fascinating as kind of goes through all of its little find sub dreaming a lot more. I have some very weird dreams but I've always had weird dreams that I've always been a bit of an insomniac because apparently that's a that's a huge side effect of this pandemic. Is People a happen. Incredible Dreaming Nkala at a lot about real people like either family members will celebrities or whatever but that they remember the dreams full of almost movie. And that's by to pick this. That people can depend up in the daytime and then the minds slowed us. I don't think that I'm dreaming more than I was before. And I think my dreams are kind of still of the crazy surreal content that they always work which combines a little bit of like the tape recorder you know things I've just recently heard but then then concocted into something that might have some other greater meaning but No I find my dreaming kind of the same. I guess you're making a movie while you yeah so via via recommended. I mean she. She had this idea. Unfortunately it was like four weeks in she was like. Oh you should have taped yourself every day. Like just videotaped yourself every day like you had this like you know daily journal like on tape like everything you did just like this endless documentary journal and I was like well if I had started it for weeks ago. It would have been great because we're already for weeks in if feels that will have to do something else. So so nick My friend my best friend and and someone I work with very closely you know at. Marc Jacobs He he and I came up. And we decided we'd do more of a fairy tale like this this kind of life in quarantine more of an louise or a you know like or a home alone or something like that right played all the characters who would normally be here at the hotel but or not like what kind of well everything from the porter to the manager to the chef in the restaurant to the housekeeping to the engineer to the different people who are residing in the hotel to the different things. I do in my room on different occasion to me documenting my set like just just just like I never any element of the other look creeping in. No just just just anything. I can do within the confines of this hotel. Your instagram is being incredibly vivid. The whole time that you've seen in Lucca. It seals almost like you are testing out characters in well. I'm not really I'm I'm kind of just you know I've always been this way. This is like this is nine year old mark who you always was in his bedroom. Escaping chaos of what life looked like you know like a very disturbed and dysfunctional childhood. And I went to my room and I sat with my clothes and I painted my jeans or embroidered. Jean Jacket and I put on my outfits. I comb my hair one way or the other and you know maybe I found a curler for my mother curled by whatever it was but that nine year old kid that me was like a in his own world in his bedroom and had to use his imagination to create a world. That was a happier place. And that's kind of what I'm doing I mean. I have two months worth of clothes that I packed to move in here. I'm I have a couple of bags of of makeup. That randomly for some reason felt were important to take with me and And then you know just and the dogs and Some hairclips jewelry and I'm just playing around and and keeping myself entertained and and doing what I do which I think is taking care of my mental health. I mean I have to get up everyday and shower and I have to Rome and I have to get dressed and I I just feel like not only do I have to do it for my sanity but like I enjoy doing it. So it gives me pleasure and it allows me to kind of be of service in some way. Because if I'm not well. In taking care of myself creatively and in every other way then. I'm of no use to anybody else. I mean I just can't lie an unmade bed all day long. It's the most pressing thing I've I mean. I used to see my mother who suffered from manic depression. She wouldn't get out of her bed sometimes for weeks and her bed was never made and the site of an unmade bed to be as just about the most horrifying thing. I can remember. I remember when we talked before the day. Before your wedding and you you said that you could feel at slowing down important you well. What's important to me at it is? Yeah well well I think I think I I feel oddly before all of this started you know. I feel that that last show was very telling of what I really was thinking. But that's that doesn't surprise me because all the shows are somewhat autobiographical. But I'm told the story of the New York that I remembered that I loved and that I still love but is gone and and the kind of the movement and everything in this sort of losing the fashion within this sort of thing. I mean looking back on it I think. I've enriched the story even more but but it had shades of all my heroes and and it had my fashion life is a New Yorker kind of told and I I kind of felt in. Katie reminded me this. You know after every show. I say like if this was the last show I'd ever do it was I'd be fine with it. But she said you were so emphatic about the last show and I did feel like like things have got to change. We've got to slow down. We can do this twice a year. We have you know I would like to say something creatively but I can do it twice a year. I mean the idea of being forced to create something in tell a story constantly would it has no meaning it has no soul it has no like authenticity or credibility. Just seem so vacant. And the amount of craddock that produces that goes nowhere but phil's landfills and just end this greed and this all of the stuff that goes along with it and besides how destroying the world we live in. It's just like everything just felt to me. Like what the fuck are we doing? So Charlie and I decided to buy this House and build a house on the water well rebuild or restore a house of water and it became very symbolic because for the first time in my life you know I wanted to leave the city and I wanted to get out and I wanted to slow down and I thought I wanna live my life and I want fashion to be a part of it. I don't I can't have this be my whole life. You know that that show felt so climactic to me. The show would Carolina Teijin the dance models and it was such an orgy of creativity. Felt you know if you think of if you think of the LAS looks people that that that Pasolini last movie. Oh something is nowhere else you could go to and I wonder if I wonder if you thought it was. It seems almost prophetic. Now that that would be I do I do in a way I mean. I've said this to my psychiatrist. My lovely doctor. Richardson Frank and I've said it to Katie. And I said it to everyone around me you know. I would be very happy if if that were my last show. I mean because I feel like I've said what I have to say. I said it beautifully unlike by but it isn't really true because it whether it's my last show or not that's fine but the urge to make things and create hasn't gone away so I still WanNa be active and I still WanNa make something and I still have stories to tell but maybe I need to tell them in a different way and maybe I will tell them in a different way and maybe fashion will continue to be a great part of how I tell my story but I don't I'll miss alive show and I'll miss an audience because I love theatre. I mean it's my first love. Nothing can replace the emotion and the feelings one gets from being in a room and seeing something performed. I've seen that show videotapes and I've seen edited and I've watched that videotape and it reminds me of what it was like to be there but I don't feel like what it was like to be there. It was Overwhelming it was well. But you can't get that feeling through a recording and I have never seen a live performance recorded that has blown my mind. It is true. I do think that this is going to be one of the massive for the fashion industry replacing the physicality of When some kind of technological well but it's no different is no different than talking about shops to me. The when people started saying. Why are you shopping in stores when you can get it all online? I don't understand how people can be satisfied by ordering the coat through a picture and receiving it in a box and putting it on and saying Oh. I like this. I'll keep it. I love to go to a shop. I like to see everything I like to touch it. I like to try it on. I like to have a coffee. I'd like to have a bottle of water. I like to get dressed up to go to the shop. It's a ritual inexperience. And there's there's emotion and and cinema involved with shopping but ordering online in a pair of Grubby. Sweats is not my idea of living life. You know when we talk you quoted Lara with taps. Few of you'll free ended long. Ana Rectum movies the Matrix movies and she'd said to you. This is a landscape of the world. It is changing and I feel that you know there are people like us who who still are incredibly attached to physicality for the physicality yes. I feel a rates now that and by codes online and doesn't fit secrete the physical experience of walking talking ceiling generation. After that does I do think that. Let's hope that generation is alive to to to retell the story. Because honestly Tim I just I do think like I I you know. I say this like there's such is such a hard thing to talk about because I know that I belong to a different generation. I'm leftover generation as are you and I got that from Kirsten enemy. And she kristen McMenemy and she says the leftover generation and I think it's very appropriate I do value physicality and I do value the experiences that I grew up with an I cherish them and I'm grieving them right now and I don't see that grief going away anytime soon. I have to go through this process. I think it's going to be a long process and will other people want you know once again will some will some species once again. Seal the value of this. Perhaps maybe not maybe we will just become data while you know you think about what we is your entire life span in New York. You've seen the city of the curves Utah. I I lived in New York. Nineteen seventy I just remembered in. The city was backgrounds and it was incredible. It was it was a very dot the city and then later on. That was all the other you know. There was nine eleven. That was A AIDS before that yes was hurricane. Sandy you know. The city has taken some enormous legs of here. Is this. Yeah but that we're talking about New York City but this is global right and fashion shows. Don't happen in New York. I mean already less season. It was back. I I felt that again going back to the show. It was a little bit of a farewell because already there were no shows in New York. It was difficult to get models. A lot of people didn't come to the shows. You know. Ralph didn't show this season and Tommy showed in London and fewer shows than there were so I have been saying as my team that we don't know if they'll be much of a fashion industry in New York. Will there be factories that we work with. Will they be able to stay in business? We've been saying this for years. So will will the people who have the skill still be around to make the close the way we demand they'd be made and will people still be traveling to New York because it's become less important than of a place to see fashion and I I know that New York we'll take some other shape and the landscape will change. I don't know that I like it and I don't know that I'll be around to ultimately see it but you know like everything changes for better for worse. That's the way it's but we're talking about the world and New York City is not the world. Although I grew up thinking it was all my life but I think this is happening in the world but also it's really enforcing a sense of community. It's made the world shrank is it? I think so. I think I don't know if this from all the things I keep seeing the I mean and again maybe I'm watching the news or maybe I'm just focusing on this but you know when when certain places opened up the behavior the system all looked like it was like oh we start back today and we start back the way we left off so it was very disappointing to see the collective the collective mentality was. How quickly can I return to what I was doing just before this happened? You know no masks jogging on the street in stores buying up close in stuff and prices like I mean it was disgusting. I was horrified by what I was seeing as people's Sort of lack of learning collectively. To what just happened or is happening. It's still happening. This hasn't changed yet. We're in it bring three months and I think it'd enormity of it is still beyond process. I think of course it is when it's when it becomes effective is obviously the. I didn't think we've started to see changes. We haven't started to really appreciate yet. Nominee family you know I I would say give it a year or so. The world will be a radical. Well I've already. I mean you know I mean I again. Speaking from my own experience we had to lay off. A bunch of people asked week. I mean a lot of really great talented people that I've always worked with or have worked with for many many years. And we had to ask the remaining people to reduce their salaries to half of what they were making. And some of them can't afford to live in New York under those circumstances which is which makes cents so. I'm not really sure how what will be able to do with what we've got left. I don't know how I don't know how will approach it. I don't know who will be left to approach it on you know and And I I'm not sure what will WANNA say once we come out of this anyway so so I am left with a lot of questions but on the other hand we do have a system I mean we are part of a larger system which is a big corporate structure that basically funds us in finances us that we responsible to and their thing is. How do we recuperate the business? We've lost so that we can continue to survive and do what we do and each within each each a brand of the Group. We have to hold our own and in order to do that we have to. We have to survive economically. And I feel I'm I'm very torn morally and ethically and then I think well you know I can. Only I have to continue to create something in order to have something to sell. And if I don't then how can I continue to fund? I mean it just so difficult to answer all these questions and I'm not talking about now the whole world and how they're gonNa do but I I think about my heart in this world and I think it's this is my part. Each person looks at their part collectively. We're all in the same shet but if the system isn't going to change than than than if the changes in total if it isn't across the board then don't know how much of a difference it really makes you when you think about what you do are you. Are you going back to what we did? At the very beginning of why you did what you did. At the very beginning what drew and well now. Because I'm thinking of creativity. I'm not thinking of fashion specifically. I'm talking to you about fashion. Because I'm a fashion designer and fashion is how I express myself creatively for many years but I think about the conversation of essential and I I think about this quarantine and I think where would we be in quarantine if we didn't have Ashton or if we didn't have movies or if we didn't have music and we didn't have books we'd be sitting naked in our thoughts with some bread and some water because and some oxygen. 'cause that's what we need to survive. We need bread water air. That's it right so I would not be sitting here in a sweater and pearls and a hair clip talking to you in your finery. I would be nude without any of this. I I mean so so I need creativity. We don't need it. It's not essential to live but we wouldn't want to live without it. I don't think I would want to live without it. I'll just speak for myself so I know that I need to speak to you about work. That's created about the dreams of future work to come about the new movies. There are to see about the new songs. There are to hear about the new dance craze about the new trends about the new artwork. That's going to be made about like all of that stuff without that. I just really have no desire to go on. The vast Santos quite the other day on the live at. It seemed great perfect. I pointed meech the same. We have so that she will. We have said that we shall not die of reality. Will. That's perfect. That is absolutely true so I believe will dance again and I believe we'll be creative again now how that looks and how that feels. I don't know and I don't think anybody does. Have you been looking at during this? Oh I've been looking I was It's funny because it's funny. What is that? I post things on instagram. And then what happens is art dealers or people I know in our say like oh. We saw you posted this. You might be interested in the work of Jean beaver so I looked her up. And then I saw her working I understood immediately why they thought I might be interested so I find. Instagram is a funny kind of ping-pong game. Like I find that I I can use it as a kind of tool to play this kind of match this game where you know you post something somebody responds to it. They sort of say something back and then you get turned on something else and that inspires you and then you turn then you go back with something new and and I. That's how I using instagram. Really as a form of like a kind of volley and So I've I've discovered Gina's work and I think that's great and a couple of others Whose names have not. Oh Well I discovered David Kramer because of Selene but A few a few artists that have I. I didn't know of these rights. No I don't know who that is. I'll look up soon as we get off the go online to look at freeze Neil. I didn't exactly what that was. That was the beginning of the whole notion of transferring physical experience into the digital. Well you know that you could crews there on line and you know now we're going to be seeing digital fashion shows. June probably Jamba and I just wanted to. How successful that's I may. We'll try nice cruising through freeze online but I'll tell you one thing with art. I find again like with theater if I know the work. If I've experienced the work in real life I respond to it online but if I see it online I don't have an emotional primitive connection to it. I do not look at a Rothko and cry online but I stand me in front of six. Roth goes and I'm overwhelmed or Barnett. Newman or something like that. But when I look at Barnett Newman online. I see stripes. But that's not what I see when I saw it at the tate. You know so like it's a very different physical experience to look at a canvas than to see it reduced to a thumbnail online. Isn't that funny but was that sort of the needs of commerce. You know for freeze needs to sell up so I put it well. That's we're all in that boat though anybody anybody who's selling Look if we were all making art. For Art's sake we wouldn't need host it. We just get the pleasure and the full experience would be making the art for ourselves. But it's not. It's like what was that. Was it the moon six pence that was the story of Gauguin's roughly where he was like? You make art for Art's sake and that burn the canvases. Because the only thing he needed to do was make the art. He didn't need to show it he didn't need to sell it. He didn't care about people's reaction to it. He didn't care of it he didn't care about it as a commodity. But we're not talking about people who are making art for Art's sake. They might their initial reaction to making artists. They have creative need to fulfil but then that goes to another level which is like putting it there to have. It looked at and judged appreciated or not and sold. What did you think of besides here that that you know great outcomes from catastrophe that off the world who up until the one that was Dada and surrealism after World War? Two that was abstract expressionism react. I know that you'll save. You told you a favorite painting with some Asocial Mona Lisa with a moustache. Yes and allow Oak Yes. I can't save in French so it sounds like a pundits supposed to be but You know these audits were responding to disaster and I made incredible. Well changing works of art. Yes something could you imagine something similar happened after this? I'd like to imagine something happening after this. I wonder with all of our current laziness based on the screen like what that will look like so. I do believe something will happen. I don't know if I'll be able to connect to it because I it might be created with a medium that I have no connection to so again. Maybe you know this IPAD and these like Henson's that you get from apple and whatever joy like something will emerge from this. I'm not sure I'll be able to connect with the medium in which is created out of. I don't know I don't know it's an interesting. Not you're not just sean scandalized. People and I know scandal. Isn't that interesting that we could be people that the new Isis scandalise will? I hope so. We could be that generation. I wish someone would do something that would cause such a reaction in me. What have you seen? That causes a reaction. What have you seen or heard? Well I've certainly not been scandalised by anything. I mean I find things offensive but I don't find them. I find that offensive to my sense of morals taste but that's but then I come back and I say I'm judging and I don't want to be judged it's not my job so some you know and it's very hard to also not be hypocritical and judge like you can't like so so. I'm trying to not judge other people and other people's behavior and what works for them and all that so But it's quite hard because I like I said I'm not scared. I don't find anything scandalous. Just find some things repulsive which is good. Turn not so good. Well it's different. I think what it creates in me as this kind of desire to just disappear like like if this is what it looks like. I don't want to be a part of it. You know what I mean. So I don't think it's a stimulating sort of repulsion. But what what what has given you the most sort of Sucker why you've been at the most what you know the most reassuring You know the bomb the bomb sealer. So what did you what music business into? What what Ti. You Watch okay. So I haven't really been listening to music. I haven't really been listening to music. Actually it's first of all most of my day is spent on facetime or texting resuming lately. So so it's really the sound of my voice and the dogs drinking water or barking or happy nightmares. Whatever and So I haven't really been listening to things during the day I find I find? I like the quiet of the room. I really liked the quiet and I put the TV on at night. And sometimes I watch things. That are very interesting in sometimes. I watch things that are mindless if I need mindless TV. I go to Love Island UK. And if I want something challenging or something interesting and informative or clever or than people recommendations. In Princeton's Lana recommended a documentary called. Crip camp which I thought was amazing and she recommended a film called touch me not which was incredible to watch. And I've watched you know all the usual that everybody else's watched the tiger kings and the Hollywood's in all that stuff and But I don't usually put the TV on 'til dark. And I told you about deaths already. Yeah and I'm going to check that out. On Hulu. In America Yeah debs and you find a what deb's means the very last second which is very interesting I'm curious about You told me that you love dancing. There have been days where I've danced. Naked my bathroom at the you know there was one conversation I had early on. Actually it was on the facetime with long and it was so inspired me so much and you know I say I love dancing but I do. I've found that when I've danced. I really enjoy that energy. But I'm not like Lama Lana lives to go out dancing for days. At a time I mean she loves Berg Hine and she's living in Berlin with her wife and you know she lives to dance for days and days but I found her conversation that day or our conversation so uplifting I took off my clothes and I went into the bathroom and I was dancing around. I was listening to lay Rita Mitsuko that eighties hit Ma and I just kept playing it over and over again and I was dancing around and it felt so good. The release was incredible but but I don't regularly dance. I do listen to Philip Glass But that doesn't actually get me dancing but I'd love. I'd love the release. I mean I'm looking for a release right now. You know what do you think? Do you think you'll look back on this moment? God only knows I just want to get through it. Yeah I think I haven't been able to read a book which I signed kind of me too. I'm the same. I can't focus on it that ends. I wonder why that is. I think it's people the effects of this. I mean I've I have been reading some newsletters about mental health. You know what people don't understand is how phenomenally important mental health is and the effect of this quarantine on US psychologically and emotionally and physically and everything else and even though he thinks that we know what it feels like. I think there's a lot like I've tried to be on. I've tried to do this. I've tried to be conscious and aware and you know incite like used my insights to like kind of correct my behavior but I can't always do I just sometimes just can't seem to find the motivation or the focus. Even though I know it's what I'd like to be doing what I think would be a good thing for me to do. I just think extraordinary that we're living in a moment that nobody could ever predict it. I'm willing sort of. Everybody has seven indulgent end of days scenarios. And this is. This is one that just we never imagined. I think it's been an interesting when you talk about people just sliding back into this patent behavior when confronted by the implacability of something like nature here. And it's just so huge and you think about I I go back time to this The industrial of hundred years old at H. Is How many millions of years old and so we have out little antitheses government and then suddenly the huge corrective. There's a line I heard many years ago and I think it's very appropriate. If you WANNA make God Laugh. Tell Him Your plans or let's turn into isn't that he said something like that. Yeah well I think someone said it before John but it's okay but but but what is quote you gave me that. I loved about creativity just now and have said that we shall not die of reality. That's perfect you have to send that to attacks or something. I will absolutely I you one of the things. I thought that so one of the things that always been so thrilling to me about you as a designer is your curiosity and the way that you're able to turn a fascination with a single ride across into an entire world or this sort of incredible cinema of fashion show that that very few people have been able to capitalize on his successfully. What what what you find your must curious about at the moment. I'm curious to see what life will be like like you said I think I think I'm frightened by it. But but you know fear and excitement or kind of the same thing in a way So I'm afraid of what might be like but I'm also excited about what what adapting to life might bring you know like that. That's it so it is. It's a prospective thing. Isn't it like you know on the darkest days I fear it and then on the brightest days or when I have those lenses on that are clear? I'm like I'm looking forward to seeing how I can adapt to. What is you know and So so adapting and acceptance and sort of creating again but I don't I don't have anything specific in mind other than than like will. It could be an exciting moment to to to make things again. You know because it's it's like saying about creativity coming out of catastrophe that Human beings have some fundamental needs. And some of those fundamental needs. We have One of us is is one of the beauty of the world around us. You know that you know how many people talk about good song. The I've never like always singing like that before. We just never heard. Now we do and I just. I would hope that those experiences stay with people when I'm the I'm just again. I'm I'm afraid I'm afraid that that's very beautiful vision. And and it's a lovely thought but I'm afraid that that we're too far along the road of destroy destroying ourselves making ourselves for that to be possible. I I really am. I mean I think that business is like those birds get drowned out by business all the time and we'll be again. I guess I'm afraid I'm afraid of that. But but then but then again if something is learned if something shifts if something changes than that may be. I don't know it's it's so it's too early in this process to know. I say this is the end of the beginning. I mean we're we're when we're even not even halfway down this road we have love. I don't even close to halfway. I think this is just like and the fact that people could even think like. Oh thank God. Two months this is hundreds of years in the making two months is not going to turn the lights back on. Guys it's like it's so illogical the thought process of like right so we've had to be locked up for two months. Let's just turn the lights back on. Go back to the way we were. It's like it's more onic. I did ironic. Now it's more on it. I don't know we have leaders that are running businesses not countries and that we have we. We have leaders who are cynics and analysts lips and lions as well which is no but so there is an answer revolution. I'm glad that this way ahead of me on this one because I've been saying that for the while well dives with. That was what we talked about him. You and I did talk about this over the summer in the end of years and years. The mother says that fantastic speech. She makes that dinner table. Which says you're all to blame. What are you going to do about it? And they caused this revolution. They fight back. And it's like I think you need an upheaval or revolution of such enormity. To Change Anything. There would need to be a full on revolution in order for this to change now. I don't know that I've got the energy to lead that revolution nor the desire but I certainly would sign up for it. You know the fact is that revolutions come a lot of the times out the spring from necessity and the needs of billions are going to be pretty extreme over the next to the while at amyloid honestly dynasty hat or it won't be some I mean. Obviously what I think would be civil unrest at some points. I don't see how they want and -solutely then we have a privilege recondition existing. Listen to us but you know again. We're as I I. I am listening to us and I'm speaking to you and I'm speaking to you from my very comfortable. Hotel Room dressed nicely. After shower and again I keep thinking about the conversations about privilege and when I think about civil unrest in people who are going to be without. I think I speak. I don't I don't WanNa be that person either. I don't WanNa be that guy who talks about what will be in this place of privilege. I don't know I didn't know how to be another person than what than who I am but I'm sitting in a comfortable hotel room and I'm saying I'd like to make a difference and I'd like to make a change and I'd like to be a part of this revolution but I'm quite easy to say in this in this situation and I and and there's so much going on that is ages and racist and sexist and everything else and all the other shit that's going on and then throwing Miss Rona and you're with fucked just what you feel your role. Your responsibility is ridiculous. And I feel that what I can do is like you said I can only do. I can take care of myself and by taking care of myself I can then be of service to someone else and whatever way that means I is it varies. I know that if I'm good to myself I take care of my health. I take care of my mental health than I can contribute to the benevolence of this world. Right I have a choice every morning. I can take care of myself and be of use or I could lie in bed and and contribute to the garbage. You know what I mean. So if each person collectively could do one small thing by taking care of their self in some small way than they could maybe contribute to the good of this world maybe they could hear the birds and maybe they could smile at somebody else. It could be kind to someone else. Maybe could be generous to somebody else. You know. Then I mean we'd be in a huge lead better place than we are right now. You know that there is. There is a lot of that going on right now. There's I was reading a big big a huge article Lindy And again yesterday about aid and about basically grassroots support things you know helping people everywhere around the world and you get a sense of how change can come you know. It's it's quite inspiring ignoring the lack of leadership from those listed cynical lying amended that we talked about the people doing things for themselves helping people helping helping the people in this street people in the next house lawyer if people can if enough people hang on feeling that they get from that and this this. This is a huge. This is a huge crisis that confronts everybody if enough people hang onto that feeling of the positivity that that outreach that they manage to commit to this was going on you know that is a revolution of a kind. Yes it's true but it has to be collective you see. The problem is when it when you're outnumbered it. It still works. There's no reason. Listen whether I'm in the majority or the minority I'm GonNa continue to take care of myself and do nice things for other people. That is what I am going to do. I'm committed to that now whether people see what I'm doing is being very kind of kindness. Their form of charity or their form of That's another story so people will judge how I behave no matter what but whether I'm in the minority the majority it doesn't matter. I know I'm good with myself right now because I know that I'm a good person. A kind person and a generous person and a creative person and I will continue to give as long as I'm healthy enough to be able to and and that's that's that's what all do and I think if it is collected and if it's on such a scale it's like I think of that Diet Over that Coca Cola commercial. I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony. It's so corny. But it's so perfect like if everybody just raised voices in if everybody opened their with and if everybody did like it would just be. The sound of. That would just be so amazing. But if you've got half the world or more than half the world's sitting saying like Oh let those queers saying it's not gonNa work but one the the the the way Ford you've got you've done throughout your careers. Collaboration competition and we need we need to collaborate. And this is what's coming out of this. I think is that people realize there is strength. Collaboration that at isolation is at `isolation disenfranchising collaborations. No Man is an island. Each man's death diminishes me. Right is something to that effect. Never send to know for whom the bell tolls to President. Now you said something that so I guess bothered me when we talked last time you said documentation of what you do is not important to you and I sense even now. Even though you're not thanking God i WanNa keep blue for whom people will be inspired and the future of people who will will understand why you did what you did and why it was important. I don't know I think I think I probably was feeling very negative day. Were maybe I was feeling like what's new? What for sorry nervous about your speech at the wedding. Yes I will as I was but I kind of feel like maybe again. Being present isn't about receiving information you know like and so maybe it is an important to document things like maybe being present and just experiencing things rather than experiencing things experiencing things with the weight of what information we've received. Maybe that trouble like maybe getting older. In the more information you receive the more you learn actually prevents you from maintaining this night eva to say that that is like intra a child has has less experience in his therefore able to sort of be present and respond naturally things and with the weight of information and Experience. They become like burdens. And so maybe you know again this idea of being present. You need to be uninformed. I don't know I don't know I have no idea I've no it's A. That's the ignorance is bliss argument. Well yeah it is. The ignorance is bliss argument. Yes absolutely and I think of children responding to a good story. A and how children learn three stories. And how you've true that's true. Of course it's true. What would be your ideal scenario now? Oh God I don. I haven't really thought about what would be ideal. I mean I'm trying really to live in the moment and I'm not really thinking much about the future or I'm trying not to think about the future because in this moment I have faith that everything will be some version of okay you know. And that's that's GonNa keep me from staying in bed. You know what I mean. I'm going to get up as long as I have face and if I have gratitude and if I have faith have to be present because outside of the present that's where fear gets and so I'm just I'm I'm really trying not to go there to live in your house by the sea. I hope so I hope so. The perfect the perfect source and Ali in a way. I hope so I mean that's that is that is I think again. That's if I could write my story that's how I'd like to end is in that house a year amounting yes but if I could write my story I mean Including the end. I'd like the end to be the last page of that book. You know as seen in the movie where I finished writing and the book closes and I'm sitting there and it's silhouette of my back looking out water looking at Greenwich Connecticut from this Beautiful Frank. Lloyd Wright House in the Book Closes and the movie ends and the Glass Soundtrack plays and camera pans out the most beautiful sunset. You've ever stay. Yeah I'd want to be as Cliche as humanly possible. Yes thank you very much mark. It's wonderful cameras always a pleasure to talk to. You seem very Hertzel. If you've enjoyed this episode don't forget to subscribe give a rating and you might be interested in joining the business of fashion global membership community. 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The Sunday Read: 'Sweatpants Forever'

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The Sunday Read: 'Sweatpants Forever'

"My name is Irena Alexander, and I'm a contributing writer to the new. York Times magazine. A few weeks ago I had a story on the cover of the magazine about the collapse of the fashion industry. In April I was sitting at home I was bored and minor and I were on the phone and she said. You will what's happening with the fashion industry right now because we saw these other industries like restaurants and everybody else the film industry was struggling and I said, well, actually have no idea what's happening and fashion I mean I feel like everyone's wearing fans. But I said you know I met this guy about a year ago who used design band of outsiders who was Scott Sternberg, and I said, let me reach out to him and see if maybe he knows what's happening in the fashion industry and Scott, and I happen to live in the same neighborhood in Los. Angeles. So every day I was trying to find like destinations I could walk to get out of my house and one day I walked to his house and I sort of very casually. Awesome. what's happening in the Fashion Street. The minute he started talking I realized that the story was so much bigger than I had anticipated I'd been covering the fashion industry on and off for about a decade. And I knew that the industry had been in trouble long before the pandemic. But I didn't realize just how bad it had been and how there had been this. Or bubble of over-production with too many shows and too many collections and too many clothes and a sort of set of people who had acted. So irresponsibly in a way that really kind of drove the industry into the ground. It really reminded me of two, thousand eight and the financial crash. And I thought what if you tried to write about the fashion industry the way you would any other bubble like the subprime mortgage crisis and really got into what happened to the industry on a really granular level. So. Here's my story called pants forever read by Julia Whelan. It's difficult in retrospect to pinpoint when exactly panic about corona virus took hold in the United States but March twelfth stands out. Stores ran out of canned goods. Streets emptied of cars. Tom Hanks said just tested positive for the virus. That evening Scott Sternberg, a fashion designer who is lying awake at home and the Silver Lake neighborhood of Los Angeles thinking about entire world align of basics. He founded two years earlier would people still buy clothes? How much cash did he have to keep going? When would he have to lay people off? My Band of outsiders battle scars just opened wide he said. Band of outsiders was Sternberg previous company. He founded in two thousand four as a line of slim shirts and ties remember the skinny tie boom that was Sternberg. Eventually, it grew into full men's and women's collections that one over the fashion world with self-consciously preppy clothes. Sternberg took home to council. Of Fashion Designers of America cfda awards the industry's equivalent of the Oscars he posed for photos with Connie West. Michelle Obama wore one of his dresses he opened stores in Tokyo and New York then in two thousand, fifteen to everyone's surprise Sternberg announced that band was going out of business. An investment with some Belgians had gone bad. But that didn't feel like the whole story Sternberg knew the whole story. Every choice he made at entire world was to prevent it from happening again. Now a global pandemic had hit, he couldn't forsee that no one did. Unlike other designers Sternberg studied not design but economics a major he chose in part because the year he entered Washington University in Saint Louis The economist Douglas North a professor there one Nobel Prize Sternberg graduated Summa, cum laude. His senior thesis was about the economics of actors in. Hollywood. which is how he wound up in Los Angeles in the first place. This is all to say that Sternberg knew what uncertainty does to consumer behavior. What was going through my head was man I. Don't know how big businesses are going to deal with this he said, but for a small business, this is enough to take all of us out. He snapped his fingers in one shot. And it was the giants who would fall I over the next few months J. crew, Neiman Marcus, Brooks brothers, and J C Penney filed for bankruptcy gap INC couldn't pay on its two thousand, seven, hundred, eighty, five North American stores by July Diane von Furstenberg announced she would lay off three hundred employees and clues eighteen of her nineteen stores. The impending damage to small businesses was inconceivable. The next morning, a Friday Sternberg drove to entire world offices. In Koreatown he sat down at his desk and began drafting an email. Wow I mean W T.F. He didn't run the email by his staff. There was no meeting about it. He just sat down and wrote it. Am I sick already. Can I leave my house? What do I tell my employees? Will my mom be okay on her flight home today Kenzo. Sternberg dog get corona virus did I buy enough teepee? How long will this last? WHO's in charge? What's next the email went out to the brands thirty thousand subscribers on Sunday march fifteenth it was in a sea of daily promotional emails a distinctly human one. But. This was still a promotion for sweatsuit the brand's top Ciller A. Item in industry speak inspired by a French children's film entire world sweatsuits come in a prism of cheery colors and in Strindberg's vision sort of make you look like a cross between a teletubby Ben Stiller in the royal tenenbaums and JC Penney ad from nineteen seventy nine. It wasn't long before Sternberg employees began texting him. Happy Face Emoji. On an average day, the brand still in its nascent stage cells forty-six. Sweats. That day they sold more than thousand when they ran out of sweatsuits, shoppers moved through the t shirts, socks and underwear. By, month's end. The brand sales were up six, hundred, sixty, two percent over march the previous year. The day we met April twenty fourth was the highest grossing day in the company's history, a new shipment came in that morning and promptly sold out again. Entire world had now grossed more in two months then in its entire first year in business. By met, I mean that we were in Strindberg's backyard in chairs position twenty feet apart with a setup of disinfectant wipes between us. At this point Sternberg hadn't been leaving the house much instead subsisting on deliveries from Blue Apron, the meal kit service and rationing the ingredients into multiple meals. Entire world's managing director Jordan Schiff formerly of Dove chinese-american apparel whose heyday stern line openly pays homage to head just come down with covert. But he was still tracking the numbers just a few days before shift reported that the company had sold out of six hundred pairs of lavender women's socks. Sternberg was in a good mood. This was obviously not just because of an email nor was it simply because America had settled into sweatpants for the foreseeable future keeping laying down this groundwork since since-banned outsiders imploded entire world wasn't a departure in name only suggesting as it does the opposite of the in crowd it was also Strindberg's rejection of the traditional fashion system. The one that wants vaulted him success no more fashion shows no more seasonal collections, no more wholesale accounts that had become unreliable R I p Barney's or the mark ups required to pay for it all. Bands shirts started at two hundred, twenty dollars. Entire worlds are ninety, five dollars. For Years Sternberg had been saying that the fashion industry was a giant bubble heading toward collapse. Now, the pandemic was just speeding up the inevitable. In fact, it had already begun an incredible surplus of closing was presently sitting in warehouses and in stores, some of which might never reopen. That whole channel is dead Sternberg said, and there's no sign of when it's turning on again. In April clothing sales fell seventy nine percent in the United States. The largest dive on record purchases of sweatpants though were up eighty percent. Entire world was like the rare life form that survives the apocalypse by betting that the luxury market would fail. Sternberg had evaded the very forces that we're bringing down the rest of the industry. Because you could see the writing on the wall. He said the Neiman's writing on the wall the barneys listen Barney's that was not a shock to anyone. If there's one image that I will remember from the last days of the fashion industry as it has existed for the last two decades it's Marc Jacobs streaming live from the Mercer Hotel in new. York. Improves an perfect makeup. The broadcast ran to seventy five minutes in length over two different virtual events. Began on April fifteenth with vogues global conversations a series the magazine introduced to figure out how to fix the fashion industry and continued a month later on May fifteenth with business of fashion, the industry's go to news website. I'm in the process of grief right now Jacobs told vogue. Why are you grieving mark? The moderator asked why? Because this is all very sad. Then later. How, are you going to present your Spring Summer twenty-one collection? I'm not sure there will be a spring summer twenty, one collection. Jacobs had come to see his fall two, thousand, twenty show as a kind of farewell. I've said this to my psychiatrist, my lovely Doctor Richardson. He told business of fashion after taking a long drag from his vape pen that I would be very happy if that were my last show. That collection would never be produced. Buyers couldn't place orders and even if they had factories were shut down. Jacob said he had to lay off a bunch of people and ask others to take pay cuts. Not that this began with the pandemic since two thousand, Thirteen Jacobs's business had shrunk from two, hundred, fifty stores to just four. Speaking Vogue he said this has been a very difficult business to be in for a long time I. Think. Things look different in two, thousand five. I'm choosing that year somewhat subjectively because that's when I started as an intern at women's wear daily. It was a thrilling time in American fashion. A New Guard of young designers had just entered the scene displacing the stars of the nineteen eighties and Nineties Donna Karan Calvin Klein Michael Kors find others, and re-energizing the runways. Interns. Don't see much but occasionally, fashion week invites trickled down. My first show was ZAC posen and something like row eight. My second was pro with schooler. Those designers along with Alexander Wang Derek Lam, Phillip? Lim ragging bone row dorte Jason Wu and leader Joseph Alta Zara seemed to grow into global brands overnight with the help of store buyers and fashion editors eager to usher in a post nine eleven generation of American talent. Band of outsiders was part of that. Sternberg was twenty nine when he started the brand in two thousand four like the road radar sisters who had no formal training and lived with their parents in Pasadena California Sternberg a former agent at creative artists agency designing line in what was then a fashion desert was an outsider instantly embraced within months. He had a full page photo of his ties and G. Q. and was picked up by Barney's. We were next two degrees. Balenciaga. Product he said. And we were me making shirts and ties and L. A.. Along with brands like Tom, Brown band joined the wave of the Nerdy preppy resurgence, Shrunken Blazers, Polos, boat shoes, or what Sternberg called preppy clothes about preppy clothes. Once he expanded into women's wear the brand grew into a fifteen million dollar wholesale business sold in two, hundred, fifty stores worldwide. It wasn't by the end all that good for us obviously because we weren't building a sound business Sternberg said, but it's pretty incredible the power of what that global fashion system could do. When Sternberg says global fashion system, he's referring to the ecosystem of designers, fashion media and stores that puts us all includes. Fashion Week. is where those entities meet. The reasons spring collections are shown in the fall and vice versa is so they can be ordered reviewed and produced in time for the actual season. As with most things, this system was upended by the Internet. Once normal people could view collections online, which confusingly, they couldn't buy until six months later, everything began to accelerate. Now stores needed deliveries earlier to fill demand and two deliveries simply weren't enough suddenly midseason collections mainly pre fall and resort also known as crews became the norm. Even for smaller designers whose customers were not necessarily a small subset of people who jet off to Capri or Santro pay for the winter months. So, designers went from making two collections a year to four. Had A men's line maybe it was actually six and if you were dior all she you were also doing couture. As fashion shows had grown into huge marketing events because re Anna or Anne hathaway or whoever was sitting in the front row? Each of those collections was also a show. Somehow, this was all still going pretty well, consumers were consuming store buyers were buying more and designers produced more and faster business boomed and everyone just kept growing. If there was a turning point, it might have been fall two, thousand, eight that year, New York fashion week drew an estimated two, hundred, thirty, two, thousand attendees and generated four, hundred, sixty, six, million visitors spending three days after it ended in. September the economy collapsed the luxury market was already over saturated, and now there was no one to buy the stuff stores panicked and marked everything down early but then they did it again the next year and the year after that relying on Markdowns to generate revenue and training consumers to shop on sale. So now you had summer addresses arriving in January and being discounted before the weather would even allow you to wear them. The fashion cycle stopped making sense despite dwindling budgets thousands of people were still flying all over the world. Every two months for the show's designers started to crack under the pace most notably John Galliano who attributed his two thousand eleven, antisemitic rant and subsequent firing from your to work related stress. And the clothes themselves got kind of weird. The sped up candor gave birth to season Lewis Dressing AH trend of Frankenstein clothing items, toilets, boots, sleeveless coats you get it when you're delivering fall in July, it's really not about the weather anymore. This might have been the time to rethink things instead. Everyone double down and made more stuff. As online retailers like Neta portait and matches fashion gain traction and everything was suddenly sold everywhere. Department stores looked for new ways to draw customers. And her novelty, a term for these sometimes literal bells and whistles that buyers increasingly asked designers to add to collections in order to entice string customers like cats. If in the last decade, you've gone looking for a simple cashmere sweater and instead encountered ones with zippers, giant animal faeces, glitter shoulders, or distressed. That's novelty. If you found yourself annoyed the you're not alone. That was so we could sell to saks me`mon barneys Nordstrom Colette and everybody could have their own special thing Sternberg recalled. I was basically making stuff I didn't like because I thought a buyer wanted not even the customer. It used to be that stores attracted shoppers with the promise of an exclusively carried designer wants designers could no longer afford to remain exclusive to a certain store. The compromise was exclusive styles. In addition to a presented collection, buyers requested slightly altered looks length him here at a sleeve there take the print from that dress and make it into pants. The cabin be exclusive to their customers. This is still going on. The amount of work you do for exclusives is out of control but Chevra Hey, a former litigator who started her namesake line of off kilter prairie dresses in two thousand sixteen told me. I want this. Can you make this with a little this? Some of it is because they think it might sell, but some is just so they can say it's exclusive. Up Work is the world's largest remote talent platform devs, designers, writers, strategists you name it fine hire and pay all in one place. Whatever skills your scope demands upward is how needs to find coders outside your area code and Seo specialist for six weeks or UI. Designer through December pros available short long-term one time or as often as you need them and they're proven rated and reviewed when you need in demand talent on demand at work is how Molly nutter a former VP for merchandising at Barney's worked for the department store for nineteen years the system has been broken for a long time said mutter who is now the president of by George A specialty store in Austin Texas. There was a lot of pressure on designers to produce more collections and therefore more product. I would say wasn't a real demand by the customer I think it was just retailers trying to grab market share. They thought if I can get more in and earlier than I can get more clients through my door but with everyone doing this, it just compounds the problem. Then of course, all these stores end up with too much inventory and this is where all of the promotional activity starts to take place. You're basically putting luxury product out there and devaluing it almost right away. It was just this vicious cycle. This is what Jacobs would later be morning his hotel room while everyone seemed eager to define fashion's future he was holding space for its present. He was lucid candid somehow smarter than everyone. I was relieved when he declined to be interviewed for this article. We've done everything to such excess that there is no consumer for all of it. Jacobs told. Everyone is exhausted by it. The designers are exhausted by it. The journalists are exhausted from following it. He added when you're just told to produce to produce to produce it's like having a gun to your head and saying. Dance Monkey. In Two thousand Thirteen Sternberg sat down with the chief executive at Barney's at the time Mark Lee. Hu Sternberg says over promised how much inventory the department store would be able to sell. Barney's promised us the world and never delivered on any of it Sternberg said. Lead did not respond to requests for comment. And it was stupid of us to listen to them but we trusted them that was a complete killer and you feel insecure like I need Barney's to be cool. And then there are these things called RT vs. Our. Stands for return to vendor, which is what it sounds like if a collection, the one that the store has asked you to pat out with novelty and exclusives doesn't sell the retailer can return it and ask for its money back. According to nutter as stores struggled the terms of this deal got worse in some cases. Stores asked designers to sell on consignment or to share costs if a certain percentage of the collection didn't sell at full price. So let's say a store decided to mark the collection down early. Owed it for those losses. Even as I'm telling you this Notre said. Like. Isn't that crazy? It is it is crazy and here's where God even crazier. In, order to protect exclusivity stores had to commit to even larger buys ordering more closed than they could possibly sell. Then when they couldn't move the stuff, they'd return it. Thanks to the rise of fast fashion and the luxury market simultaneous attempt to keep up with it's impossible pace it all started to feel disposable. So detrimental was the cycle of production and discounting to luxury goods that in two thousand, eighteen burberry, the British label revealed that it had been burning not metaphorically but literally burning thirty, seven million dollars of worth of merchandise per year to maintain brand value. In short fashion seemed to slowly annihilate itself. Remember Fashion Week while incurring all those losses. Designers were still putting on shows roughly every three months productions that ran hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions if you were chanel. The problem is that everyone who attended the shows and streamed them out via endless blurry instagram videos with actively making the case for the demise of their jobs because if you're there watching via the tiny screen on your phone, while the real live show is happening feet away. Why even go? God bless fashion. Media Sternberg said, they still have not caught up to the idea that everyone is seeing it at the same time. It's such a little scam fashion week he continued I love doing shows, but you get caught up in it, and then you can't stop because if you stop, they're going to write about you stopping and you're going to look like failure or the stores will stop buying your stuff and you don't really know why they're buying your stuff but they're buying it and you're not relevant anymore if you're not doing a show. Sternberg acknowledged that there were other factors that killed band of outsiders chief among them, his own inexperience in scaling a niche brand, but ultimately, he was underfunded and over leveraged. The day he opened the store in Soho with a Momofuku milk bar attached. He knew it was over Sternberg took a two million dollar convertible loan from C. L.. C.. C. A fashion fund backed by a Belgian shipping magnate and defaulted six months later, the brand was collateral. Band has since been reborn as a Zombie version of itself run by the Belgians. In May two, thousand fifteen, he handed off passwords keys and a storage locker in pomona California with the brands archive and walked away. But it wasn't some big disaster he said. Well by the end, it was a little bit of a disaster. Sternberg story was not unique among his peers in Europe luxury fashion conglomerates like lvmh and carrying Parad Young designers with experienced business people. In America, it was much more entrepreneurial Andrew Rosen, a founder of theory and an early investor in pro enza and rag and bone told me. You had a lot of these incredibly talented young designers that frankly didn't have the business partnership to go along with it. I asked Sternberg if he felt as if he lost the narrative. To. Some extent I didn't lose the narrative because I never had one. He said I started making shirts and ties for men and everybody loved them. Then I made men's clothes for women and everybody loved them all these amazing stores and magazines were eating them up I was just a kid in a candy store waiting for an adult to step into the room and rain at all in. The adult never came. Shapiro Enzo Schooler has gone through myriad investors ending up with one that specializes in distressed at. Last Summer Derek Lam shutdown his high end line in November ZAC posen went out of business the same week as Barney's the store that wants discovered him followed closely by opening ceremony in January. Then cove nineteen hit. Consumers stopped having any need for fashionable clothing retailers scrambled to cancel and return orders. Remember our TV's designers were unable to cover basic expenses like rent and payroll. Let alone upcoming collections suddenly an industry that was already on the brink ground to a complete halt. Crystallized a lot of conversations that the fashion industry had been having for some time and a winter editor of Vogue and artistic director of Conde. Nast told me when we spoke via zoom in May. For an industry that is meant to be about change. Sometimes, we take a long time to do just that because it's so big and there were so many moving parts. But now we were really forced into a moment when we had to reset and rethink. Full disclosure I've written for vogue. Later I asked winter. Why so many designers of that generation were now struggling? I think in general, we've created a system that is unrealistic and a strain for even the largest brands she wrote in an email. It could be that some younger designers were playing the same game and trying to keep up with the big brands rather than determining what's best for them. In March vogue partnered with the FDA to set up a common thread, a pandemic relief initiative that has raised four point nine million dollars to date. By a more than one thousand companies had applied for aid. I was truly saddened by that number winter said adding. I think it really is a time where we need to learn from what's happened almost about how fragile and on the edge we were all living and that it wasn't that solid. Stephen, call the president of the CFDA was even more blunt. I think there will be brands that don't come out of this still a business he said. How did we get here? This is a question I asked almost everyone. I think everybody would say it the other and not themselves cold. told me. I don't think you can blame one person or one part of the industry. Winter said, certainly, the media had something to do with it as everything went. So instant through digital and the emphasis on what's new. In May I called Jeffrey Kalinski the retail pioneer who opened Jeffrey in New York's meatpacking district in nineteen, ninety nine transforming the neighborhood into the retail zone. It is today. Kalinski was first in New York to sell band of outsiders in two thousand, five, his stores were acquired by Nordstrom one of the department stores said to be well positioned to survive the pandemic. I think all of us played a part Kalinski said it was the stores and the customers and the brands and all of us. I hate what's happening in the world, but I think if there's anything good that can come out of this, it's the chance to look at ourselves. Four days after we spoke Nordstrom announced that it was closing Jeffrey. Sternberg never intended to design a uniform for sheltering in place. After Band of outsiders folded into thousand fifteen, he padded around his house for a few weeks and avoided the press. Then he got an email from Gwyneth paltrow. I was so sad when band closed, she wrote it was a dark day for fashion. I'm not sure what you're doing where your head is at or if you have a non compete but I have an idea I'd love to run by you. Soon Sternberg had a job designing paltrow's clothing line for Goop, her wellness and lifestyle business. Meanwhile, he thought about what he might like to do next. Sternberg surveyed the fashion scene and saw a lot of noise. The luxury minimalism of countless selene copycats the maximalism brands like Gucci, the full gamut of streetwear from supreme to vet moments he wanted to do something that felt like a pallet cleanser Sternberg took meetings with target and Amazon fashion and. Super Product Align of well-designed basics that he hoped could be with the gap once was when neither went anywhere. He decided to do it on his own. Entire. World was born in two thousand eighteen as a D. T. C. direct to consumer line with no seasons no-shows. No novelty. I wanted complete freedom from that. He said. You. Probably know what D C is even without knowing it reformation ever lane outdoor voices worby Parker all birds. All Those sans Serif venture capital funded brands that have proliferated so much in the last decade the you're probably wearing one of them right now. Have, you ever bought closed from an Instagram ad that's DT see. Entire. World is sort of Post Dt C. which is to say that there is no silicon valley boardroom trying to solve a problem for you. It's just Sternberg a fashion industry refugee feeling his way through it. I'm incredibly business-minded Sternberg said, but we're designed driven I. Come Out of fashion. I'm not coming out of a powerpoint deck. Most, styles in his line are perennial their pleated trousers that are sort of the cooler version of what your eighties dad might wear and a giant shirt inspired by Ralph Laurens. Big Shirt of the nineties. The sweat suit made a fabric that Sternberg developed from scratch feels like the Sartorial version of a hug. Something about its combination of color fabric and fit makes it feel okay to wear not only to bed but also out. In January, I saw a woman in New York wearing it under a burberry coat. Unlike bands slim fit. Most things by entire world or roomy and wide. It's slogan is the stuff you live in. In recent years, the collapse of the fashion industry has pushed other runway designers like to coon panic school and the shoe designer tomorrow Mellon to redefine themselves as Dt C. companies those who haven't are now being nudged in that direction. Take about Chevra Hey for instance, who in April had more than half of her wholesale orders slashed and one hundred thousand dollars owed to her by retailers. When I reached her, she was packaging web orders from a lake house in upstate New York and selling facemasks via instagram. She estimated that before the pandemic DT see was about ten percent of her business. But now it's kind of all my business she said. Emily Adams Brody a menswear designer who wanNA cfda award. Last year was until recently sold in one hundred twenty stores worldwide with ECOMMERCE, accounting for less than ten percent of her sales. In May Bodey was at her fiance's parents home in Canada rushing to put her spring-summer collection online. Stores that we've had in our excel sheets on the probability of getting paid at ninety percent. Now, call us and say they're closing. She told me we have to completely rely on our own selling because at the end of the day I don't know how many stores are going to be able to carry the weight in another six months. Last November just as everyone declared that retail was dead body opened her own brick and mortar store on the lower east side the store, which is sort of the old school version of Dt see ended up saving her what she projected to sell in a month she started selling in a day. I don't think we'd be here without the store she said. Hey was also looking at store space just as the crisis began and planned to again. There's going to be a ton of empty retail space. She said, I'm sure I can find an amazing deal. The pandemic has also forced a correction of the calendar with factories shut down and deliveries delayed. Many of this year's fall collections will for the first time in a long while actually arrive in season. Some in the industry have even talked about pushing the unseen and unsold two, thousand, twenty collections to two thousand and twenty one to avoid losses, which by the way is not a bad idea Sternberg said, it's what the clothing industry has over the food industry in the food industry, the aged inventory rots. The fascinating part is that in order to do that to give that aged inventory value again requires literally killing fashion that nebulous deity that says something is in this year and not the next. In May two separate groups of designers banded together to put forth proposals on how to change the industry each essentially pushed for the same thing later deliveries, delayed markdowns, fewer collections. I think a lot of us are aligned on this idea that seasons have to go back to what they were. Joseph Ulta Zara who signed both proposals told me. The only person who didn't think fashion had been moving too fast was the designer Virgil Abloh even though he had to skip his own fashion show in Paris last September, reportedly because of exhaustion. abloh juggles his streetwear label off white with Louis Vuitton menswear, as well as collaborations with Nike Ikya Evian Jimmy Choo, and others. I work at the pace of my ideas and those come off, and he told me the consumer today is a hyper being I'm not one to say, let's go back to the old days when we had rotary phones or something. He called revising the delivery schedule and obvious fix more so than a profound idea or anything. What does all this mean for the shows? There will definitely be something but nothing resembling fashion week as we knew it winter. told me. abloh announced that he will no longer show on a seasonal schedule or basis shows in one place. The Belgian designer degrees van noten will not show until two thousand, twenty one chanel premiered a virtual resort show the week that the George Lloyd protests began and came off as mostly tone-deaf. Allesandro Mikkeli Gucci designer has reduced the number of shows from five to to doing away with seasons and gender altogether. There's also been talk of virtual reality and films accompanied by fabric samples. In New York, the CFDA will still be the official scheduler of New York Fashion Week in September though it's unclear why mostly digital shows would have to be scheduled I think fashion week is over hey. Said I'm pretty sure it's over. If not the show's been certainly the collective circus that travels from New York to London to Milan to Paris twice a year. The more important question is whether people will buy clothes that aren't sweatpants in the near future. Some are already designing with that uncertainty in mind. Alta Zara who makes the opposite of homebody close told me he was adding softer fabrics and more relaxed silhouettes to his spring twenty one collection. Not necessarily like loungewear or at leisure he said, but I think after spending Munson sweatpants, people are going to want to feel comfortable. Hey. Meanwhile was pivoting from party dresses to house dresses. I'm just like, okay we're home more but why does that have to be sweatpants? She said, can it be address how stress is completely easy you can throw it on, zip it off whatever maybe I'm going too far imagining a future where we're constantly in and out of quarantine but businesswise I'm sort of preparing for that. and. If that's the case what happens to designers like Jacobs when asked about online shopping Jacobs told business of fashion I. Love to go to a shop. I like to see everything I like to touch it I like to try it on. I like to have a coffee. I like to have a bottle of water I like to get dressed up. He raised his eyebrows for emphasis. But. Ordering online and a pair of grubby sweats is not my idea of living life. Incidentally Jacobs's fall two, thousand, twenty show in February was among his very best. The clothes reference to pre Internet. New. York. While modern dancers charged at unsuspecting audience members seated cafe tables in a way that now feels prescient. In two thousand, eight Sternberg used to sneak into Jacobs's shows at the Lexington Avenue armory as everyone did then I'm a huge Marc, Jacobs fan he told me. That was the year that Santa Gold and M I a played on every runway and there was a magic to the way that the music, the stomping models and the fabric emotion gave fashion. It's heartbeat. Incredible talent someone Jacobs is not his clothes didn't even have to be reduced or warned have influence. He's all about starting a conversation than threads its way through the system eventually landing in a consumer's hands via a perfume or accessory if at all. So, what happens to mark Sternberg asked? Where does he end up? He answered his own question. I guess in the Mercer Hotel wearing pearls. In June I stopped by Stern burbs garage where he keeps a personal archive of band of outsiders designs. There are crates labelled curbs for the turbans. He sent down the runway for fall two, thousand, thirteen, a collection inspired by Billie. Holiday and Atari Video Games and S. twelve for Spring Summer two, thousand twelve which referenced Peter Weir's Picnic at hanging rock. There are also polos from his this is not a polo shirt line for jackets before he got off for from the show that opened with mountain climbers rappelling from the ceiling and bandaged skirts stitched out of suspenders. I made that your me Sternberg, said, flatly, this is some ugly print that Rashida Jones wore on. Good Morning America. He said, Sternberg Gloves Jones it's his own work. He's ambivalent about. What do you do with all this expletive? You don't WanNa, throw it out. Give it away. Should someone be wearing it? It's not art for God's sake. Going through this stuff. Sternberg was a bit like a musician revisiting the hits he made before he got sober he loves them. He really does but the excess of it weighs on him all those ideas that never became anything all those materials, all that waste like the shoes Lisa manolas. And Golf cleared Oxford's and platforms with watch bands as straps. All developed just for the shows at thirty pairs per show and never even produced. And it season after season he said it's not like you're making an iphone where you're going to mass, produce it and then iterative on it. Last year Sternberg led his CFDA membership lapse. He saw it as a largely New York Fashion Week centric institution. They don't offer anything for what I'm doing. He said they should be trying to figure out what all this is and how they could support it. The CFDA subsequently reached out to Sternberg. They were sort of like, what are you doing and I just said this is what I'm doing. What are you doing when you're in my zone? Let's talk. When I asked Kolb if FDA could do more to support DT see companies he said. I think that's a big question. That's not an answer I have. It was ultimately the board he added, but I know we have those conversations all the time. Whatever tensions there may be everyone I spoke to praised Stern Berg's reinvention in the way that fashion people praise things, which is to with a tiny bit of shade. Love Scott and a winter said, it seems very honest to me and very realistic. I, understand not everyone can afford. Marc. Jacobs or Chanel. kkob told me I think Scott is a brilliant marketer adding it works really well with a basics brand. But he also credited him with anticipating this moment. Whatever happened between him and the investors, and however he got out of that maybe at the time was painful but it enabled him to start over I think brands that are in it. Now it's much harder to make that change. Even Virgil Abloh the designer of toll menswear was excited when I brought up Sternberg name. I loved band of outsiders. He said, my question is. Where did he go? By June us, clothing sales rebounded, but they were still down overall from the year before. Market analysts predicted that with infections soaring again and stimulus money running out that uptick might be temporary. The anomalies have been mostly aff leisure companies Lululemon the purveyor of Buji leggings who shares have surged in recent months. Entire world still tiny but in its second year, Sternberg says, it's revenue is already eight times that of outsiders by the same point and that's while selling much more product fifteen dollar underwear and socks thirty two dollar TS eighty, eight dollars sweatshirts. Despite the recent good sales Sternberg has still had to scale back in February. He expected to get a round of financing from investors in Korea, but then the virus hit their first and that evaporated. The same week that the sweatpants were selling out, he laid off three of his nine employees and cut styles he planned to add in the fall. Even before the pandemic persuading investors to bet on clothing brands had become a drag. This is the SH- Mata business. He told me it's no longer sexy investors want something disruptive when they're with their investor friends they WANNA say they invested in like flavored water or an operating system that changes the way we walk. Investors that do pump money into DC C. Brands are after swift returns pushing companies to grow big and fast in a way. That's unsustainable. One such casualty was outdoor voices the athletic. Apparel company that reportedly took in sixty million dollars venture capital money and faltered in February with its CEO ousted and its valuation plummeting. After what happened to banned? The last thing Sternberg wants is to grow too fast for his own. Good. Investors are only interested in like billion dollar company UNICORNS Sternberg said. Sternberg doesn't want to be a unicorn he just wants to be profitable by next year. The second band try to grow. That's when we stopped being profitable. He said. Sternberg wouldn't remember this but we met briefly along time ago when I covered his spring show in September two, thousand, eight near weeks before the financial crash. He seemed different. Now, sort of softer around the edges which also happens to be how he describes his new line. I much lighter as a person. He said I know that whatever I'm doing for work is not the end all be all of my life that doesn't mean I don't emotionally invest in all this and wanted to thrive but my identity and sense of self worth isn't tied to its success or failure. Would I like this to work sure but is it going to ruin me? No the last week Sternberg admitted had been rough though schiff his director recovered from covid nineteen, a billionaire seed investor informed Sternberg that he would not be investing any more money. And it's not like we haven't hit our numbers Sternberg said. In a way if it weren't for the pandemic, this might have been the end of entire world. When the pandemic hit he had maybe six weeks of runway left. The sales boom has extended that to at least the end of the summer. Still he had to get more product up on the website, and for that, he had to pay his factories. He found the whole thing depressing here. He was perhaps the only one in fashion who couldn't so merchandise fast enough in a pandemic and no one was interested in investing. It's a slog Sternberg said it's a constant series of disappointing conversations. He thought it was indicative of where the industry was. Now someone like Marc Jacobs would probably be okay because he was backed by Lvmh but what would happen to the upstarts? If, the wholesale model could no longer be relied on to fund young designers and private equity and venture capitalists pushed them to expand. So quickly that they inevitably imploded, was there any hope for brands to grow slowly and thoughtfully overtime? If not fashion might go the way of other industries like film in which there are the blockbusters and the tiny indies and nothing in between. Band didn't need to be a one hundred, million dollar brand Sternberg said, but is there a place for a thirty million dollar brand that can self sustain and be around year after year certainly not with big backers because that's not interesting to them wholesale used to be able to support that also ultimately killed it. Fashion. IS BY DEFINITION UNPREDICTABLE PEOPLE BUY CLOTHES FOR Emotional reasons the challenge as Sternberg Saad was to build a brand that could be immune to trends and novelty and whatever dystopia disaster was coming next. The trick with fashion is that we're not selling toilet paper. He said, which, of course, during COVID toilet paper sales go up, but ultimately, it will level out because there's only so many butts in the world that hasn't changed people are just hoarding. Fashion is really different. You have to assume the cycle will change even if you're doing commodity and how will you keep up with that? How do you build a business that can sustain those fluctuations over time? That was his pitch anyway but so far no one seemed to be listening. One investor suggested that maybe Sternberg should turn entire world into a TV show that would advertise the clothes Sternberg sounds easy. Another told him. Wow. It's great that you're doing well, but I'm actually looking into distressed assets now. Instead of investing into a business that was actually making money. The investor was looking to swoop in and pick off bigger brands that were now on the brink of bankruptcy. Reviving a corpse was easier than tending to a newborn. This investors saw it that in the end held the promise of a bigger payoff. This was recorded by autumn. Autumn is an APP you can download to listen to lots of audio stories from publishers such as the New, York Times, the New Yorker, vanity, fair, and the Atlantic. Would you pay one hundred dollars for a six pack of Beer? 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Mirror with. What I looked like a surgeon to you, I thought that's what would it be if you're doing prostate surgery? Yeah, don't do that yourself now. Jenny were you out with the boyfriend this weekend I was yes, I was with him. Most of the admit what you told me. It. I can't believe you. Okay well I. Thought Maybe I would finally make the debut of his face on my weekend and five picks blog right so I go to play Sunday before we go to still water. Guy Looks like. We talked to him for the first time on Friday. Yeah, and I walk into his place, and I don't even recognize him. At first because he has shaved his facial hair off all gone. It's all gone. He looks probably a solid ten years younger than what he is and I just didn't want to take a picture and make that be the debut of him. Without the facial hair, so I did not take a picture with him, because he's just so much more attractive with facial hair and. Attractive? Without it. Could he have one of those full big ironic beards, one of the big ones like? Now like. No not like the brewing beer type of deal, but like it's a little more subtle. He had been rocking. mainly. A mustache would just like stubble. Dodger, but it's all gone and I just I. Don't think I've ever seen his upper lip before, and now I have, and it's not what I thought. It looks like. I. Just decided we'll hold off till he grows a little more facial hair to post the picture out women or Saint speaking of faces and things like that and looks. Women are saying that they don't have to wear makeup above their Mao above there. I've not below their knows anymore, so 'cause they're covered with a mask, and so they go out or go to a meeting or whatever I guess on zoom, maybe have to. Are you wearing make-up less than you did before Jenny. Not really because we still do pretty much everything normal with the morning show so I still wear the same amount of makeup every day. Okay Gotcha. We are here for all of this week. The rest of the week on Katie WB were actually talked to a guy is really interesting. His name is Marc Jacobs and somebody choice on instagram sent me a video blog of mark a restaurant owner. I think in Woodbury and maybe Golden Valley also, and he's basically saying hey, we gotta get back in Business and here's what we've done and blah. Blah Blah our restaurants not opening on June first. I'm a little confused on that. I that they were open for outside service, so there could be, and he could tell us for sure but I? What it was because that's the whole problem is how many restaurants have a big area outside? That's the thing. A lot of people just have like a little area or no area at all accessible right, especially downtown and I think there's a lot of if you I know this I know. There's a lot of people who listen to our show that are in the restaurant business that are either not working right now or working very little or cut back on their hours. mine for example Jenny view worked at BUBBA gump. Still which you used to, they wouldn't be open so if you are in the food service industry, check out what mark has had led to get your opinion on this. That's coming up in a couple of seconds on Katie WB. Also, because it's Monday, it's not Monday Tuesday new murder Monday on a Tuesday coming up. A few minutes you have, there's a story that has actually just this past march. The murder of the Lady of the lake and it is one where you think is going away and I promise you. It goes a totally different direction right if you're and did like the true crime, podcast and shows and things like that. We've got that for you texting his on. You need to reach us for anything. Shouted the Steve He says I. I drive a truck to deliver to hospitals. I listen to the show every day yesterday I put on another show by accident. That show is so dumb. They laugh at everything so glad you guys are back. Thanks Steve for doing what you do. If you're up early and you're working, you're back at work. We appreciate what you do, and if you're not working, we're here to kind of help. You forget things and make you smile. Smile and make better pick make feel good coming up on Katie me. We'll talk to mark restaurant owner to get his perspective, so if in the restaurant business don't move. We'll have him on an annual good morning. We love to eat I. Mean we're like you? We've love to eat. We put on the. What do they call it? The fifteen and I we do carry out and Carson Door Dash and and we really all. All love the restaurants and little hole in the wall restaurants, the big restaurants, the chains we love them all and I saw video the other day on Instagram, forgetting Marc Jacobs. He's a restaurant owner and I think he's in Woodbury, but I think he's got a couple of different stores around, and I thought Oh. This guy's very eloquent, and he puts everything very well from the restaurant owner's perspective, so I got a hold of mark. And I said Yo mark. Will you be on the radio? And he said who is, he did not and I see. What do you want kid? So? He agreed to be on the show to kind of give his perspective on things I really like the way he put it, and it made me think a little bit so on the phone right now I hope. Marc Jacobs Good Morning Sir. Good Morning. How are you guys? Thanks, you clarify for me. Mark you own a couple of restaurants in town or managing restaurants. So so we own it's my brother and I. We own rages grills in. Northeast Minneapolis, Woodbury and then we have shuler's golden values while okay, so basically in the video you're talking about how let me ask you this one on June first. Is Your restaurant going to be able to reopen or not? Reopen restaurants reopening limited Louis on June first. So yeah, so so we got outdoor seating. Only which is that was issues we weren't. We weren't expecting that in our issue. Is Our woodbury location at northeast? Minneapolis, Ham Patios but it wouldn't obviously work. size-wise are Golden Valley. Location has no patio. At the moment. We were fighting the battle. Check that thing. So. Are you planning on opening it all on June first? Yes Oh, the plan is as of now the city of Minneapolis and it would be working on. Kind of extended into the parking lot. I think quite a few restaurants in the twin cities are doing matt and then the Golden Valley location now The mayor's working on it for us. and trying to get some seating outside for red tape. 'cause I was thinking that it was. My first thought is that I was like okay. You don't have a very patio. Maybe there's a chance you could have your parking. Lot is a red state doesn't allow that. Well. Originally. I mean. If it was normal. Business. Times would not be able to do that. As soon as they came on, they said you know. We spoke to a couple of sitting members right away literally as the governor was speaking and giving us flail where we started talking to people and they they were like they were. GonNa work with US and so all three cities so far have given us already that pretty much. Go into the parking lot as much as we can. Get, a really good message that watched and I don't want to try to. You know retail his story. So what is your message that you wanted to get out to people and to the governor and to authorities about I mean about the restaurant business, and what you guys are going through right now. You know the most difficult part for us was when we went through everything two weeks ago. and this is not just from I mean this is every restaurant who had spoken to on the they posted videos, and all this as well as you know. We went and spent money trying to get a restaurant faith and we want to make sure that we're providing for customers estate experience providing staff. Will we are family with to be honest with you? Is there family to us, we? WanNa. WanNa. Make sure everybody is healthy. Coming in safely, you know maps gloves whatever needed to make sure that we are taking care of you know we've had barriers that are being built distancing tables, and all that and You know to be hit with outdoor. Only it was it was. It was quite difficult for us, and then to see you know like I know Jenny said she wants to stillwater this past weekend. You know we we we went on. We went to saint cried and we. Pulled into Wisconsin and to see what Wisconsin is getting from Minnesota Right now eight. It's crazy to see the numbers. They're getting over. Memorial Day weekend, so people are. Starting to repeal or then flocking across the border to Wisconsin, because restaurants are more open over there, yeah, yeah, it was crazy. Know like like you know genocide of well. It's still out ghost town this weekend and you go right across the border and you see I mean these these bars are crazy, but it's like you know we wanna make sure we're safe here and we want to make sure we weren't expecting to open full full on. I can tell you every restaurants where I was like our goal with twenty five percent or fifty percent that was really our goal tried to just to show people what we can do, and what we can prove in control sakes. So what capacity does arrest of the average restaurant? Can they obviously if they open at ten percent capacity? That's not going to be able to pay the bills and pay the staff so twenty five fifty percent would be more manageable. And well we well, we're expecting. We're not expecting curbside to go anywhere I. Mean we've got. We've got curbside just order I mean we're. We're expecting. We've been telling our staff. Starting training today with our staff at locations is where we're expecting curbside to be there for another. I would say at least another year Reno, but I mean we. We gotta get phased one in. We've definitely the P. P. loans that are the government. government won't get an eight weeks to to use up the money which is at this point is it's impossible to even closed this whole time. He had all this money that they gave you. Because that like so you can keep the business going, but then you have to actually use it cracked like and then or or that's that waits for forgiven correct. It's two and a half months according to your twenty, nineteen been two and a half months of payroll. You have to US seventy five percent of it up in eight weeks, but I mean we're not. We're not even close to full staff right now. We're trying to bring back as much as we can, but our staff needs to make money as well which has been. It's been really great with the amount of support you get from the community. People are tipping great that are coming out there doing the curbside. They're keeping their keeping rolling. You know thankfully, but you know I mean how how long can you know? How long can we? How long gotTa be alone? I mean it's pretty much gone. Talking to Marc Jacobs is a restaurant owner of a couple of restaurants including rage, as and somebody just texted me, they said all mg rage as has the best chicken wings ever is data fat. Would you say market? I would have to say that as a fast. Okay good. I've they given you any idea? Mark is when you can open up indoors for you know limited capacity. Is there any date set for that? No, you don't honestly. We're we're kind of preparing for now that so this is a big curveball and we all. We all supported and we want WanNa. We want to do that. I would assume I would assume probably going to be about two weeks after June I I mean I, think he's GonNa. I think governor was going to have to make a move, and because we're obviously, there's a lot of pressure at this point from us, and there's GonNa be a lot of restaurants. Unfortunately, there aren't gonNA survive this and they've already. You've already gotten the message from quite. Quite a few my God yeah. We heard of Luna closed down, was it moose eighties closed down. Probably some that people don't talk about quite as much that have also closed down. Hey, mark, thanks for air on your side of it. You know what there's always you know. There's a counterpoint to every point but I think he made a very good point, and we'd love to see you guys thing and come back inside and enjoy dinner safely. And I hope that everything works out for you and your staff and thanks for your Aaron your side of it, mark, Thank you guys for having absolutely flag your restaurants. One more time rage as and Reggie's Shuler's tavern, golden back very cool market lock. We'll try. We'll stay in touch things going. If you if you have any points about that, then send me a text at Katie WB one, five, three, ninety one. Maybe you want to say Oh, yeah, we forgot to mention this or he's wrong about this. Hey, you know what? It's an open discussion so and even taxes anytime Acadian. Wb One, five, three, nine, two, one, coming up in a couple of seconds I gotTa Make Donald's training video called the clean it that parodies beat it, and it's a training video by gleaning about cleaning all. It's called. Clean it instead of beat it. I got that for you. Also sleep. Gomez has a message to graduates from. immigrant families and Jaylo on some benefits of being quarantined all coming up on Dave sturt crunchy today by country hearth bread sat. This is McDonald's training video. That is you know training people to clean, but it's not called clean be it's it's called cleaner to the tune of beat it. Check it out. A. Doesn't. Take the million. Spurs! Teen. Okay now see. The video became picturing somebody like McDonald's gear and they're like little spray bottle. Wipe everything down. They're using the room as a microphone stands, and they're dancing with it i. it is the video anywhere we. Training out Dave Ryan Dot Com. Check this out There's really there's a couple of cool. Really cool graduation ideas that I saw we talked about a week or two ago where the graduates road up on a ski lift to the top of a mountain got diploma then rode back down the. coolest one that I saw I think took place in Phoenix and they should do this down at Elko speedway. The graduates lined up in their cars and drove over the finish line to get their diploma at a speedway and Phoenix that cool. Very cool is all great till Philip Gunda about one hundred seventy miles an hour at his dad's SUV. Funny car the principal. That's really cool. You know what I would call. If you are yeah, graduated this year I would call Elko and say hey. I get an idea. See if that works out. Speaking of graduations. This is Selena Gomez. Message to graduates from immigrant families those. The immigrants I want you guys to know that you matter and experiences are a huge part of the American story I'm a proud third generation, American Mexican and my family's dirty and their sacrifices helped. Get me where I am today so regardless of where your family's from regardless of your immigration status you have taken action to earn an education to make your family's proud into open up your worlds, so I'm sending all of my love to you guys, today and congratulations I hope that you guys are set off to be everything that you want to be. that is kind of cool speaking of something. Remind me this of school on our absolutely Minnesota's segment coming up at eight o'clock or so this morning. Are we talking to the kid who's eleven years old? Yup, and just like graduated with a math degree, and he graduated from Norman Dale and believe he's going onto University of Minnesota in the fall. We have to ask him for his doctor. I don't know but. He's a kid loves numbers, and he is amazing I. Guess Re to Elliott. Who went to normal eleven years old and got a degree in mathematics. It's crazy. That's coming up in a couple of minutes also at eight o'clock this morning. We're doing birthdays because you know. Birthdays are a little bit better. When you can hear your name on the radio. Get a little shout outs, not gonNA. Make it back to normal. It's not like you got your party back down to chucky cheese richer local bar whatever but you get a little shout on the radio. If you know somebody's a birthday today, then send me a quick tax with how old. Old They are and your name and their name, or if it's for you than just send me, hey, it's my birthday and here's my name and here's how old text to k., D. WB one. That's short code, five, three, nine, one and Jaylo some benefits from being quarantined. Here's Jaylo. We've been making the best of it. There's been some really scary anxiety. Fill time you know uncertainty on that, but I'm also realizing a lot of things you know. I'm realizing you know what I mean. Call my mom every day. Need to call her every day. Even when this is over, because I've been speaking to her every single day and This is over, and we get back to work. Whatever that new normal is. I want to keep that going? We set a time. We're like every night at seven thirty was sitting down. We're having dinner and I was like you know there's certain things that. I've discovered during this time that I definitely want to keep going so in that sense. It's a blessed. I get that I. Think People are spending obviously a lot more time together. Jennifer have you called your mom lately? I have not call her, but she did. Call me yesterday. Because unfortunately she fell in our pool and dropped her phone in there with their her. Sophie like somehow facetime me on messenger something i. don't even know. It wasn't on her phone, so we did talk. I'm not sure yet. She was asking me for any tips and I'm like I don't know does putting in a bag rice store? I'm like I think that people still do that, but I'll also. A lot of phones are water resistant. When you say your mom fell in her pool that means she was walking in the shallow end with it, or she was walking by phone in one hand and natty light the other hand. My mom is not a drinker I. Don't know where I get my drinking skills from. It's definitely not from her, but no. She was cleaning the pool out, and she was talking on the phone, and she just fell off the deck in foul right and so. Drum all right. This is a there's a meteorologists on a New York. Station is names Matt, Brickman, but he used to work here. O. Channel Four, right? Yes, with practice. He's doing the weather and his son won't stop interrupting his segment because like everybody else. They're doing the weather from home. Here is a clip of the starts, okay? Hold on one second this, let me do this. They. Send arranged. You don't need rain boots now. Can. Fine. Okay honey one second. I'll be right there. On lunch on. Say when rain's coming, so he put on Ringo's. Doral and finally remembered the song from the eighties, Fab from. Take on me here. It is being played on a washing machine at two guys played sound effects from the washing machine. Here is take on me on a washing machine. I that I have to video I'll put my Daveramsey. DOT, com. This is this I got a new name that I think the first person to coin. This word born nineteen so in other words. You're so born that you're doing crap that you would have never thought to do before so I, think we should start something on twitter Hashtag, boring teen, but then how would it be spelled B. O. R. E. A. N.? T. I. Any. Teen Hashtag bore because it looks like borey eighteen I feel like it has a strata. Be Boring with teen on the at bring team, but I get what you're saying. It doesn't really roll off the tongue way. Are I n teen with Woodwork theat. Man Into it all right last call birthdays. Birthday's coming up in about twenty minutes or so get a birthday. Shout out here on Katie WB, make sure text the person and say hey, listen to Katie at eight o'clock those on for you text me birthday and workday person their name, their age, their city, their occupation I. don't care whatever you wanna tax to Katie WB one. That's five, three, nine, two one. We during murder Monday in a minute. Murder Monday on a Tuesday is coming up next. Killing of the Lady of the lake. Right sounds like a good one. We'll do it next. Radio true crime, the defraying shows murder Monday. Hi, this is Steve, and this is called the murder of the Lady of the lake. On the border of the State Line Between Arkansas Tennessee a few hours from Memphis. Historic three story, six thousand square foot home perched on the banks of Arkansas Horseshoe. Lake the home is called Snowden House and lays the land that was once a rich cotton plantation. Snowden family is known as an influential family. The has deep roots in the south. Robert Snowden was a colonel in the civil war who served directly under Robert e Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and after the war was known for helping form the city of Memphis to what it is today. Another member of the same family is also famous for being an owner of the famous peabody hotel. snowden houses known around the area, not just for its beauty, but for its notoriety, the grand white columned manner was used in the nineteen ninety four film, The client starring Susan. Sarandon Tommy Lee Jones. Today's. Barney Liar. Four Percent Herod's then high you only. Two years later all the good family fortune. Turned into tragedy. In nineteen, ninety, six, just a few hundred feet away from the main snowden house on one of the other out homes, lived one of the families, many daughters, seventy five year old, Sally Snowden McKay, and by that time. McKay had turned the property into exclusive bed and breakfast live family members, owning bits and pieces of property, and of course the prophets, but then tragedy struck in September. When seventy five year old, Sally entered her home with her fifty two year old nephew, they were surprised by an intruder who shot and killed the to. Set The house on fire and fled. The killer was a seventeen year old boy whose family lived on Snowden property. His name was Travis Lewis. He claimed that he wasn't the one who shot the two, but pled guilty, and was sentenced to twenty eight and a half years in prison. The tragedy still wound. Then in two thousand four sally. McKay's daughter Martha. One of ten grandchildren bought the home and land from family members with the goal of reading the home back to being one of the region's most impressive properties. The home was updated while keeping its charm and continuing to be a thriving bed and breakfast and eventually wedding venue Martha also discussed selling the property which she lived in. She had already began selling some of the family's property and was maybe ready to sell the home in two thousand fifteen, mentioning that she was considering selling the home for a bit over a million dollars. Then just a few months ago on March Twenty Fifth Twenty twenty. Police responded to a report to the silent alarm coming from the SNOWDEN home. Lease arrived. They found the house's back door open. They walked. Martha McKay was dead. And killer. was still in the house. Get ready for. Twist Than Fiction next true crime stories, the DIV Roy and Joe's murder Monday. Martha K loved Snowden House. The Grand Nineteen thousand nine hundred family estate. She owned on Horseshoe. Lake at Arkansas just a few hours from Memphis. She'd restored and reopened it as an upscale bed and breakfast. Twenty three years earlier, tragedy had struck the property when her mother and cousin Mervyn. And all this time later. Mark McKay who was lovingly called the lady the lake. Instead. It's March. Twenty Fifth Twenty twenty one asylum alert at the home sounded. Police arrived at the scene to find her bloody body at the top of the stairs rapid blanket. cleese than her as come from a room and saw man jump out of an upstairs window. And run across the property his car. Jumped in. Vehicle got stuck. So? The man jumped from the vehicle. Into Horseshoe Lake. He never came back. Hours, later Arkansas the. Pull the man's body out of Lake and more surprise they found. It was a thirty nine year old man with a history. It was Travis Lewis. The man who, at seventeen years old, killed Martha McKay's mother and cousin and now. Twenty years later. Still Martha. Martha was known to be a forgiving woman, and was set to have befriended Travis Lewis while he was in jail and when he was released on early parole in twenty eighteen. Martha quietly gave him a job doing work on the property, his mother. Had always worked on that property, and so it just seemed to make sense. But. Before her death. Martha fired. Why Based on Martha's diaries drivers. His mother actually warned Martha about her son and said that she was worried that he was going bad again and. Martha also had sold a chandelier for ten thousand dollars in cash which she stashed in the house. And Travis just happened to be there that day. and. Shortly thereafter, the money disappeared. When that happened? Martha fired Travis. What police will never know is if Travis plan to kill Mark McKay that day or a few is there just to rob the house once again? Either way. Lady of the lake is now gone snowed in house is now for sale for two point two. Million Dollars. This is murder Monday. You could find out more about this case online right now at Dave Ryan Show Dot com, he Sivo and make sure to subscribe to murder Monday on Itunes iheartradio. Shows. Let me get this right, so this woman's mother was killed by this guy. He went to prison for twenty years. He gets out. She's like I forgive you I'm going to hire you to do odd jobs around. The House gave him when he was in prison Oh. Yeah, exactly! And they did a toxicology on, and he had like a weed and math and cocaine in his system. Oh yeah, forgave him hired him than she fired in once. He stole ten thousand dollars from her. And then he was breaking into a house. Probably still the ten dollars deal something else because there was i. didn't I didn't say but there was like a bag at the top of the stairs Barbati the had like a bloody knife in it, and like something else from the House Sudani Killed The mom and her mom's friend, and but then twenty years later killed her daughter Yeah and then he jumped in a lake and drowned Yup. Yup We should would have jumped in a lake and drowned like twenty five minutes ago. That's the wrong way. He should jump into like I saw no kidding. Good murder Monday. Check out more on Dave Ryan Show Dot Com keyword. Stevo DR weakened in five photos every weekend and my minor special this week and you want to know. I saw Dave and I am I moved I put in water filter Animal Jenny. They're all they're all average. Typical Pictures Newark, but I put the filter on with the with the monochrome or the black and white and. Wipe it all the way over and got the noir so check. Those out seems much more dramatic. They're like taking in the olden days almost. Yeah, Dave I'm digging this I. Feel like you're becoming VISCO girl. You turn and becoming an instagram model as well. I think I think you do this potential here Dave. Thanks so much What was it? What's in your weekend? Five photos Jenny. What you put in there and not a ton I got caught in the rain working out on. Saturday and I've tried to continue to work out, and then I took A. A video of myself and I had an umbrella over my cameras to save it, but then he just started down pouring, and there was no saving anything I had out in the open, so then I ran to my car, and so I did take like a screen shot of the video, so it's kind of blurry other than that. There's nothing too exciting. It makes me want to check it out, yeah! I think that I have the prettiest picture of our front yard that you've ever seen. It's something out of home and Garden magazine. It's it looks like an oasis, but it's in our front yard and you can do it too, and that's one of the pictures I. Have a my we five pictures. Home and Garden magazine that good. Yes, look at picture jetty, and then you'll get back to being go. You're right Steve. Is that good? I don't know about that. I'm tempted to go check that out. It's on our Dave Ryan show dot com under each of our personal blogs weakened five photos. Hey, a lot of people talking about restaurants reopening opening carry out curbside. That type of thing so we're GONNA. Do the restaurant carry out? Out Price His right. Here's the way it works. If you win and you plan you win. You get a tip Ado which let me tell you something we have not been able to. People's in stock. Go nonstop I, had Carson making him the other day, and he made probably about one hundred of them, and we've only got a few left, and then every time they sell out. We order more parts for so you want to get one. Get One I know that you were busy because I saw your hand earlier and it looked like a claw, because he just all the little nitpicky things. You have to do to make this clip Ado right so if you want to get one carrier Poop, call me out a win on. We'll get to. People will go head to head on restaurant prices. Right? I'M GONNA play with right now as an example round so Steve's GonNa give us an item from carry out from a restaurant. We're going to have to price it. Okay here we go. Let's we're going to go somewhere. Really Really Nice Johnny, go to Maynard's. That sounds. FIVESTARSOAP. You're getting a firecracker shrimp. You're getting Mr. Jimmy Burger which is ground, shock Cheddar and American cheese fried onion, lettuce, tomato, and special sauce served with chips, and you're also getting key lime pie. What is the takeout price from Maynard's and Excelsior Jimmy? Go I, say thirty five. Dollars one dollar, Steve. Jennings over his closest. It's thirty two four data. Strategy all right, so we'll give Jenny can get on the phone with people to call the win a clip. Do six five, one nine eight nine K.. D. WB other on with you Dave. If you want me to ready to play, okay here, we go out. Let's stay at a Maynard's and excelsior I have chicken strips with ranch, barbecue or honey mustard. Okay, so you get to pick, and then also you're going to up the order. You're also GONNA. Get waffle fries instead of. A best, so you're upgrading. That's I can't tell you how much that cost punt. It's extra money. What is the Maynard's price on that eighteen dollars and thirty four cents? Steve you're way over day. Really Yeah, it's well ninety five. Are you kidding? Chicken Strips and Waffle fries had ninety five, the chicken strips, and then a two dollar for the bonus and. And I've been on the phone. Okay? By the way shoutout speaking, carry outed Maynard's. We did carry out on Sunday night and I think Carson got the wings, and then I got the Susan I got the Pokey Ball. Best Pokey ball of ever had shout out to the kitchen staff over at Maynard's excelsior. They got what have been able to I, believe. Rogers Okay Gotcha. Day's coming up in a second still squeezing your last minute. Birthdays at Katie WB one, five, three, nine, two, one I, though got a couple of people on the phone hopefully to play, carry out prices right Jordan in waverly, Jordan and good morning. How are you? I'm dead. You're driving our. Jordan I am yet. Where are you headed to work going down to the Costco? He'd been working through this whole thing. Okay thanks for doing what you do, have an opponent on the phone to you. I guess I do I. Have Josh at Rogers Jordan Good Morning Josh. How're you doing good work today? Josh I'm waiting in the car for my boss to get out of the meeting. Okay okay. We'll try keep you occupied while you're waiting here, we go. Jordan you'RE GONNA. Go first here is your first item. CARRY OUT PRICES RIGHT? Come closest to the actual price without going over and win a clip ado here. We go, okay, WE'RE GONNA go to Al Loro Mexican restaurant in Burnsville for takeout. We're getting Jimmy Chunga, which is to flour Tortillas, deep, fried and filled with your choice of beef, tips or chicken, Rice or beans. We're going to go chicken A. we're also going to get chicken tortilla soup and we're GONNA. Get Chapel late cheese dip with chips. What is the price for that from O. Mexican, restaurant and Burnsville Jordan, what do you bid? Twenty one. Okay, Josh. Own. I'M GONNA go for about three dollars three dollars. Okay, okay well I think actually, Jordan. You're close. The actual retail price is twenty eight, sixty, three, oh. Yeah, OH, yeah! She Wins Yeah Okay. Okay Ron one the round one we're GONNA do two to three. You guys. Do you have a Dog Josh? I do not have a dog. I got a cat named Carl okay perfect. What a great cat! NAMED ELEVEN! All Right! Do you dog Jordan? Selah. All right win this Stella. Here we go round to. Did nothing by the way this is from the restaurant. Walk at the park in St. Louis Park. You're going to get a lettuce wraps as the appetizer chicken water chestnuts should talk you mushrooms and more, you're also getting a small edge, drop soup and getting the chicken low main, which is ignored pods, carrots bamboo shoots. Bean sprouts and onions. What is the price for this from walk in the Park Josh your I I'm. Thirty four dollars and fifty cents Okay Jordan. Act Thirty four take you. All thirty four dollars. Over okay. Go again both. Go again. Josh Your I. I'm going twenty six dollars and two cents. Jordan. Dollars Twenty seven dollars is close to the actual. Retail price is thirty two ninety seven. Josh. Lovely parting gifts. To. Shorten your the way it makes sense. The Jordan wins because she's the one with the dog. Anyway, so we'll hold on John. Hold get you. Have a good day, Josh. To go okay. Sounds like the guy who takes us Kaffir Joaquin thing yeah. To use the clipper due still. I've seen my neighbors do that. They put their cat on a heart and take a walk the funniest thing ever. Yeah, all right. Let's do some birthday on Katie WBZ, here we go. Let's see we got Zoe Rochester is ten happy double digit birthday, sweet girl from Daddy Mommy, Violet and Maya Love You so much Aka, and Woodbury is six years old. Happy Birthday to my nephew, McKay loved you so much birthdays we've got see here. We've got a bunch of them by the way including anniversary Tony from northeast Truscott Yep he's got a birthday to got an anniversary today and right now. My computer is not being my friends. I'm going to try my best. Do these guys go Tina and Sarah James Birthday yesterday? Happy Eighth Birthday to our daughter Hannah from goodhew. Mom and Dad love you so much eighth anniversary from Tony in northeast, happy twelve birthday, Lexi, my sweet daughter from Circle Pines, Love Your Mom and Dad. Happy Birthday Lynn from Bald Wisconsin. love you from your favorite daughter. Hannah couple of more as I scroll through here. Happy Thirty Fourth Birthday Joe and Hannah. Love You Melissa in Brooklyn Center Ninth Sobriety Birthday. Happy Birthday to me and happy birthday to my mom Marnie from your son Donovan I would say her age, but she would kill me. She would happy birthday. Libby is forty one years old from heavy forty, the forty fifth to Scott Love. You Mr is my brother's birthday today. Heavy thirty Fifth Birthday John Love Two percent Lucy and bugs also. Blake has got a big birthday today. He's fourteen years old day. And that I'm proud of him and that would greatly. Glove from his mom and there you go celebrity birthdays today. I'm going to name a birthday. Tell you tell me how old they are. Yup Right Stevie. Nicks Stevie Nicks today get says she's sixty six years old civic seventy two years layoff Lenny Kravitz got a birthday howled one fifty six today. I'm just guessing low and everything Matt Stone. Creator of South Park, he's four. He's fifty is close. Forty nine Lauren Hill is She's forty seven. She was in the Fuji's with WHO's The guy that we had come on and sing with Lena Y. Whitecliffe came in and he was. He was the band with her. He said she is like certified crazy. That's what he said. That's not me. and Brandy Cyrus Majlis. Less famous older sister is twenty nine. I forgive you for not knowing because I've never even heard my brand brandy, Cyrus, be honest with you. She is thirty three years old today. doing birthdays every day. because make it a little more special during quarantine. If you WANNA, Texas one or better yet go online Dave Ryan show dot com. Fill out the form and we'll do birthday. Shout on the day of the birthday, K.. We're doing a new bid on the show. It's called something to look forward to. So. We say that in quarantine like you know. We can't really go on vacations. Even though some people are friend of mine, my trainer Brent Went Colorado and South Dakota see and other something to look forward to. We're kind of coming out of some of the weeds on this, but we're going to give you something to look forward to every day on the show. Is it going to be at eight twenty every day? We know we talked about kind of switch up. Just because we have a lot of different things that we do, so we're kinda throat in all replace. Okay, so we do have something to look forward to at eight twenty. When I tell you that what does that even mean well? It could be a special song. It could be a special interview. Be a special game giveaway. You never know what it is, but it's something to look forward to at eight twenty, so if you gotta step away from your phone and you get a step away, radio be back at eight twenty four something to look forward to. Let's play quick song. We haven't talked to a kid from of the. We've found a kid whose name is. Who is more impressive than the three of us put together when we were eleven years old. GonNa talk to Elliot about the amazing thing that they have done and are doing at eleven years old, coming up next on absolutely Minnesota on one zero one point three Katie Wbz high school yeah high school. Was So long ago. You know I can barely even remember graduating. I suppose that's mostly because. Well never lack math and I didn't like it so I go to North town and drink afford it with my buddy. I thought school with just a pain in the neck so I learned a role the do Banal. Jack. Graduated quite a while ago and I'm in charge a hammer down at home depot and I can't afford to get my missing tooth fixed I drive driving a the Arrow nine, hundred eighty six. My, mom. My Dad did to to make me graduate and enroll that the you but. Just pretended that I was dead. Set on the couch, watching WWF and lots of. Gaza the mall where my life for just one big Buddha, a car, but I wish listen that or more in school than would be the one cleaning the room. And this is what feels by. My Own. I wouldn't. That Tony Rav. Hi Word Know, so, while if by to dry snow well, you know I didn't graduate from High School, but I think that learning stuff is really overrated. I got a good job in. You know benefits or Hello, Domino's pizza. Have you heard about our topping special? Well did okay got an a an art which qualifies made agreed out. I might have been lawyer or I might have been a cop, not a hooker working at the bus stop. Everybody know that I. was the Bob But ten years later I'm still living with my mom and I sometimes have the swallow my pride. I sometimes wish I had a double y. What it feels like. By Ed UK. I wish I was and insanity. To. Now Of Salaries. What? He did. Just sat in on the. Game show now work at leave. Qualify to be a D. J. and I. Staff. School, Sh more dude, you know people depend on me in the math and history and Algebra when you. We're. GonNa use that stuff. Janitor? Thorough. Time to fight the battle against kitty vomit. This This is the Dave. Ryan show on one. Oh one point three Katie wbz. And here's a story. That's absolutely Minnesota. That's Yeah I love. The story I saw this over the weekend, and I give credit to all the news outlets that covered it I because I saw on think CBS News Dot Com. And there is a an eleven year old kid. That is going to just graduated with an associate's degree in mathematics at norm, nail and I saw this kid I'm like we want to talk to. His Mom or dad see if we can get Elliot on the show. Welcome to the Dave Ryan in the morning show eleven year old by that smart genius. Kid Elliott and good Morning Elliot. How are you? Pay thanks for being on the show Elliot. What what age were you when you started to get a love for math like you have? Well. I think that. Non Issue, but by one house I was staying to weed and I believe around that time I started. Carrying around like love, letter and number love to liking small plastic figures in the sheep, those different characters. Okay, cool, so you had a love number did I hear also that you learn Swedish just for the fun of it when you were less than five years old. War. Now Elliott. When you graduate, tell me about your degree in your experience over at Normandy. Del was weird going to Norman. Dale College with all these old people. Well, Like I, I would go weird at the stars every semester with everyone thinking. Hey, who is it kid kidding? Someone just classes parents. Eventually just. Just kind of like a twenty year old I fit in like one. So. You can discuss I mean you could sit there and hold conversation with a twenty year old at Norman Dale. While you're on breaker at lunch or whatever and talk about things like that. A twenty year old would talk about like math and adult stuff. Four that is amazing. What you love so much about math because Elliott other certain people that struggle with math I was never good at math I tested into what they called developmental math I went to pikes peak. Have you heard of pikes? Peak community college before Elliott is the Harvard of the rockies. Actually. Yeah, that's. What is it about math? Can you describe what that what you love about math so much? It always looks like clockwork. Every time you do something, it always turns out exactly the things you can predict what happens next in math, and but for subjects like chemistry and biology can't do that. That's also why like physics. Oh, because there's always an answer I mean. If you have a problem, there's always one answering. It's there's only one answer in math. Is that right? Well technically they're to me to more. Actively Paulino meal then acquainted the fundamental field of. You're always have and season. I was just GonNa. Say that myself. Elliott I like their brag. I Know Pie till about the tenth place. Who what place? How far do you know pie? About thirtieth. I like top of your head. Ninety six. I think he's an excuse to. Every Zero, two, one, nine, seven, zero, six, nine, three, nine, nine, five or something. I just I just google that he nailed. Eliot what you know with all this. You know what I hope. You still get to do kid stuff and you know you know like. Do you know run through the Spring and do all the DEA still do a lot of kids stuff elliott. But I always try to be safe while day for example. I don't like to like. Go on fast moving objects where I can easily fall Austin like this single for able I'm really terrifying and. I'm and I also developed this. He'll bicycles at the event. What happened? If not like any of those. Just as they always got off the close, Yeah. I went there I know Elliot it's scary. People are always careless with those electric scooter. Yeah, that's true. That's injured all the time. Well, you know, be careful where helmet Elliot. What do you plan on doing this now that you've graduated from Norman Dale with this is if you just turn your one. We're talking to Elliott Elliott, has eleven years old graduated with a degree in mathematics from Norman Dale what do you plan to do in the fall and in the future? What does the future hold for you Elliott? Well I'm hoping that this semester. Back to in person classes because I really miss those. and. It's also going to be really convenient, because all my classes are in your team kind of building. Right, is that correct? Right and then. Like physics class which I'm really excited for quantum physics. And the Grass Tyson is that cool? War Yes see genuine to the U. Them. She never even saw the physics building. So true. Elliott I have a question for you. Though because you're talking about science and stuff, do you like the mathematical part of Science, or do you actually like science in itself? Because I actually really liked math, myself I hated science though. Now? Or Science because. It feels like it just gives it even what uses all aid hat? Very interesting as a career. I mean you've got so many options at at eleven years old with the path you're on, you can do anything you want. Don't become a DJ on the radio. You promised me Elliott. I promise. You? I mean you've got so many options and you can change your mind down the road, but right now today. What do you think you WanNa do when you're twenty five years old? Long things either become a fixer mass effective, a mathematician or theoretical food S. Okay that is so impressive, so impressive Elliott going to give a shout out to your mom and dad has they have raised a great kid, and also shot at you Elliott for just like inspiring us an amazing us. So what are you doing the rest the summer? Elliott you hanging out or you playing switch? Or what are you doing this this summer? which are both correct and also trying to keep in touch with my friends, too? And I asked. What like about two and a half megabytes worth of my bookshelves so that? CAN YOU GET A lot? Of Busy Eliot thanks for taking time to talk to us and. Good luck in the future and we'll be watching to see what you do okay. You are more than welcome. Have a good day, Elliott. You know you, too can learn something from the eloquence of this kid I talked to you to sound like you're both half in the bag half the time. You don't answer your. Daughter. Red Wine last night white wine. For the Booze and I did it what to say to Elliott. I'd be like man. What's the trick? You'd like my ten year old? Actually focus like that and I know that that's like a weird question. Ask ten-year-old, but you look at something like that. You're like that's someone who did he naturally do it or I think he gonNa Natural He's got a Web page and I'm looking at all of his accomplishments if you look. Look Elliott Tanner. I think he's had his own web page has got all of his accomplishments on there and I think he's. He rolled over at four weeks old, and then started walking at seven months or says I word at seven months, so he has been doing a lot of stuff at a very early age. Thanks again Elliott for being on the show coming up. We're promising you every morning something to. To look forward to and I've got something. It's a surprise coming up next. We're doing something kind of cool that we thought you know. People say there's there's nothing to look forward to I'm GonNa tell you I loved this weekend. This weekend was so great, and even with the weather being a little bit sketchy I was like I last week. Just like you were really looking forward to the long weekend did. Did everything from ride. The motorcycle we wrote down to Henderson some. What are you always see in a small town Jenny from small town Fonda lack not in real small. What are you always see in a small town? A hole in the wall by you always see that, but let's say you're sitting on the bench in front of the hole in the wall barn. A guy comes by on a what. UNICYCLE DON'T LAWNMOWER One More LAWNMOWER, tractor or four wheeler. Sure enough. We're sitting on the front porch of the roadhouse. illegally drinking of course. There was a cop right across the street and he didn't even look at Cross and bat an eye so i. feel like we're all living in LAS. Vegas rules right now I. Don't think the care because we brought our own beer down than the strangers I had to buy a six pack of beer to get Boba. You want one and I'm like. Yeah, so there. We are illegally drinking on. On the sidewalk in front of the Road House across the street cop. Now I don't WanNa. Get anybody to trouble so I could have made the story up or maybe I didn't, but they batted an eye, and there's a forceful of people with a beer in their hand. Right across the street. The Guy Comes by a lawn mower, or it was a tractor for wheeler, and I'm like I got. Got To get a picture that is my weakened and five pictures, so check that out We also get a couple of birthdays to do before we give you something to look forward to. We're doing this every morning. Something to look forward to do that. Next birthday somebody turned a big four zero yesterday. That is Mona. She is forty yesterday and Happy Birthday Vanessa from your salvos team and And, also here kwb something to look forward to every morning on the show it can be an old interview can be a classic song. It can be a throwback and be a big prize. It can be anything, but it's something to look forward to stay to put together a jingle for a whole day. Actually Dead D. would you like to hear love to hear this? Okay? Here we go. Half. Having something politics. To. Do. All right, let's do it. This is a classic prank. We played on Falun. We had Nick Jonas on the phone and then Nick Jonas found out that he was talking to fallon from Katie and nick doesn't like her because she insulted him on the radio. Well, the whole thing was made up. It wasn't even Nick Jonas, so as you listen to this interview. It's a guy that doesn't even sound like Nick. Jonas but fallon really thought it was here's. What went down on something to look forward to on Katie, WBZ. Okay, because this is a big deal. We are privileged to have our boy Nick Jonas on the phone and Nick Jonas. There's a rumor that Nick Jonas might become a town soon for special Katie. WBZ little concern so were talking to nick. Jonas and I think as soon as they put him on hold, I will pick him up and we'll be read tacos ready then Yep hello. Nick Jonas. Good you know what I was? Just thinking of but we're going to talk about your new music second, but I was thinking about how last month I saw you in New York you out there for the big IHEART meeting and we're listening to all kinds of different artists and you play that show under the bridge. Obviously you remember that. The Best Time I love performing in New York the best place to do it. Wear I was GONNA. Ask you when you're touring. Are there cities that you look forward to going to? Or are there cities up? You're like Oh. God I want to Cleveland again. You've land. Up I really do enjoy New York I. Think it's got a great energy to it. You know really is the city that never sleeps the best time when I'm there. Do you get to the point sometimes where where as an artist you're on stage, and you're doing a show and you can't remember where you are. Have you ever shout out like would up Atlanta and it gets real quiet because you're in spokane has ever happened. It definitely happened. I'm not at liberty to discuss all the details. Days We also know. The Fallon about your new song. You got the name of the new song Okay Fallon called. What is it find you okay, and this is the I. Mean you've you're? You're great songwriter and you WANNA talk about. Jeremy Microphones on I'll be honest with you. Can you. Fallon! Yeah I'm sorry. Her name is salad. Fallon, Yelich, Jimmy, but it's my real name yeah. No I'm just I'm sorry this is pretty awkward. I just you know I. Really Prefer if we could get fouling off the mic or just out of the room, so we can continue the interview I'm just. Remembering a few years ago, I came to Jingle Ball. She was talking trash about me backstage because my voice was really quiet, I was under the weather, trying to preserve my instrument and Do you remember talking serious about me so I? I really don't think I can I don't. I don't. I don't know that that happened, are you? Are you serious? Yeah I can. Speak with her I thought I was going to be talking to today, but Badin that I thought you're kidding. Nick. That literally never happened. Balance a lot of things I don't even do your meal I didn't do your interview. I think I was actually. How do you remember that name? Though that Fallon 'cause you did come to jingle ball a couple of years ago and I remember that the Oh. Yeah, you were a little bit quiet, but While while I forget cities, and in places I can never forget voices. You know music what I do so whenever I hear someone for. It's pretty instantly recognized valid. Watch her. Leave the room. I mean that would be preferred. We'll definitely the room, but. I will leave there in because I. Don't WanNa make you uncomfortable neck, but if that ever happened and I don't do that to anyone, 'cause I like to respect people just as much as I like to be respected. I'll apologize to you. Because that's terrible. I wouldn't I would never do that to anyone. I'm really sorry if that happened, but I will leave the room because I definitely don't WanNa make you uncomfortable. I we all. Make mistakes inside. Steve will continue to talk show. Fallon will walk out. Yeah listen I think that would be in everybody's best interest. Okay all right and I tell you that that fallon is believing all this, and this is all made up. This is not Nick Jonas. This is who are you anyway? Is I'm tucker a friend Dave. I literally was like I wouldn't have I might do it. I guess I don't think. That made me sick at my stomach. Or you know what I'm going to actually see if fallon would walk out of the room, but fallon actually looked so sad and hurt that. I was like okay. We've got to let her off the hook. It's funny now. Though, right, yeah! I guess. Taking back even. Say I felt so terrible. I'm Mike. I look. We didn't make him glad. You picked me Jones by the way because. Of. For that reason I said He. We get an interview with him all the time I was like, and then he put me on the spot asking you a song man like I liken no song. We've. Tucker. Acting Youtube. I've ever done in your life cutter I'm GonNa. Tell you I'm going to tell you we had her. I don't think you sound much like Nick Jonas at all and I thought if anything. would be like this is not Nick Jonas, but you bought it all the way I wouldn't. Get. My mind I'm thinking God. IHEART does a million things have I'm never gonNA. Be Able to do any of our I. Again because Nick and China's has it out for me. Mick Jonas would not come to jingle ball. Jonas said I'll come to Jingle Ball, but if Alan, there I'm not coming. Hey, listen you you. I. Owe you want your Burger Buddy so I, appreciate! That don't worry. We'll make it happen. The day in the morning show is hideous beasts. Hey, don't feel bad. Valid. Fallon Prank me many times by Ding Dong ditch by stealing office paper, and planting it in my car, and then having the boss accused me of stealing office paper, and putting it in my car and I had to walk out and show the boss. There is no office paper in my car, but there was because Falun and Steve put it in there. So don't think don't feel bad valid by the way she's on. Vacation should be back next week. All right coming up on WB there's a big debate raging raging about the most popular checks mix piece so I'm GonNa. Tell you the winner on the social media debate on the best checks neck. Checks mix piece is at the mini breadstick, the right chip the Square Pretzel. Corn Check Sweet Checks and Circle Pretzel Win I make homemade checks makes once in a while I. Throw peanuts there, don't they have a checks? Mix It in the bag. That's got peanuts in their. Muslim dull. I have peanuts when we do it all so well. When you homemake again, there's always peanuts and it, but I think the ones that you get the brand from the store. They don't ever have the peanuts in it. What would you say? Is your favorite piece going to name them again? The mini breadstick the right chip. The Square Pretzel Corn Checks. We checks in square. Circle Circle. Pretzel nine used to be the ride chip, but now it's the many breadstick Steve. I like the. Technology do the Square Pretzel. The winter for you coming up in the second also the best ways to get out of a speeding ticket. I got five ways that you can S- things you can say and do to get out of a speeding ticket. It's coming up next on. You can't make this stuff up on your smart device on your phone on your speaker on your Alexa on Syria. It's all on iheartradio. Sponsored today also. Arthur diamonds. Is Okay If, you are getting speeding ticket near pulled over. There are excuses that you can use that. Actually work. Researchers ask people named several various excuses they used, and whether they work they save. The best excuse is to claim. You just didn't realize you were driving so fast that they say it works thirty two percent of the time. It's also those popular excuse we use. I'm late for work works twenty percent of the time. There's a medical emergency works twenty percent of the time. That's a lie though that's trouble, Karma. The if you then the COP will be like. Oh, well, let me escort you to the county hospital. Then you're like Oh God now you to run to the hospital and faked the whole thing I really have to use. The bathroom is used seventeen. That has seventeen percent effective. And another one seventy percent I didn't see the speed limit sign. We have a cop that listens to our show in Tyler. And he says the the best excuses are say you're on your way to a funeral or just don't speed, so there's that one here's one is ner texted. This went in I, got out of a speeding ticket up in saint cloud I said. My best friend was at the Saint Cloud Hospital having her baby, and her husband was deployed in Iraq and I didn't want her to be alone I made the whole thing up. Oh, I'm going straight to hell, but worth it I don't feel. At least you're on. The I asked Tyler the COP I said. What's the best excuse that you got from? A speeder said the best excuse I got is a competent old lady saying I need to go. I got the diarrhea. which is a great excuse? I mean sometimes. You just gotTa get home. You just have to honor. The checks mix thing so There's a big argument over what is the best checks mix piece. We've been sitting around for the last two months basically eating snacks. It makes sense that we've developed some deep opinions on them. Last week. Somebody on twitter posted. What looked like an innocent question? What is the best checks mixed peace? And she included a picture of the six pieces. The mini breadstick the right chip the square. Pretzel, corn, check sweet checks and the Circle Pretzel well about seven thousand people chimed in with their opinion, and the winning piece might be a surprise. The Ri- chip. Was Far away the big winner. I believe that because they make the mixes where it's just the Ri- chip. Now do they really? Not for sure, you know if you make it at home, it's really better because you can put all the worst hersher sauce in there that you want to all the salt that you want to book guy. By the way I'm become. The master of the smoker I smoked brisket yesterday and It turned out really good mouth off the bone. It yeah pretty much did. It was like Oh my God. That tastes good a restaurant, so I have a friend. He's a chef. His name is Jim and whenever I have a question about cooking or anything I always tax gem. And he's like a master chef. He's really good, and then I thought I've also got a friend, nate, who's good for my apple questions anytime I get an apple. Question we we text, nate and they'll get a friend Mike? WHO's like a master cabinet maker? And I was hanging pictures on the wall and a coat rack down at Alison, my daughter's House on Saturday, and I wasn't sure what screw to us to get it in the stud and Blah Blah. Blah shows I, texted my friend Mike, and so I've got three friends. That's way below him. Oh, it's way below which scrutiny totally, but but he'll always give great advice very patient, so I wanNA. Ask You Jenny. What expert are you to your friends? So somebody's like what beer goes best with Scotch. What are they? What are you the expert on that? Your friends come to you for. A wine related like asked me what Perez was. Something asked me give me a meal. Okay? HOW ABOUT PIZZA OKAY! Rad box wine. Okay chicken wings. White box wine. Chicken farm. You could do I would go a white box line. You've just saying red and white box wine. You're not actually doing any kind of pairing. Asked what I was an expert in I am an expert in box wine, but there's two types of wine red box online. Why Steve What about you? You're the expert that fringe club the you in for what? Oh God. Oh, yeah, like if there's like a little like project and they want someone to do manual labor on the one. comes. Pro. DOES PEOPLE GO TO STEVE WILL? They say I can't get this to work online. How does this work for us with our air coworkers? But that's like nobody else. Really nobody else I falls me. I'm not really an expert on anything. Once in a while, people will ask me about airplanes or plane, crashes or David here. That plane crash whited crash. 'cause I'm kind of good at that. Think about that for a second and then tax me. Let me know. What are you your friends go to expert for. Susan is everybody's insurance. Go to expert. Susan knows everything about the insurance industry. She's worked into for twenty years backwards and forwards. Wonder whether you should do this whether you should take money out of this whether you should get the whatever then Susan knows so go ahead and. And texter I got a friend. That's that he's the H. Back Guy. Something's going wrong with your heating and cooling serious yet mean, but that's also what he does for a living, but that's like a specific thing. Yeah, you would never ask me that question I wouldn't know what to do. What would fallon? Be Expert in restaurants? Oh yeah, that's so true. Yes, because you're like okay, I'm over in Saint. Paul. What's a good? Good restaurant I should try and she'll be like. Oh, well, this one has this and this one. Has This and this one? has this exactly where to go and what? You'd like and Blah Blah Blah? So ask yourself think about that for a second. It'll challenge for you. Do you think you are the expert in the all your friends ask you about and then text it to me. It Katie WB one, five, three, ninety one. One the reason I do this is number one because it's entertaining number two, so I will then compile an expert lists I will now have your phone number next time I need a question about fishing or lakes or bowling, or whatever your expert and you're going to get a little mystery tax from local Dj say and so, what do you do with this again yet? Dave actually just Robert Colorado Anything Colorado they today for. Sure I. Get that a lot. I get like people who text and say I'm going to Colorado next week. I've never been there water five things that I have to do in Colorado so I give them the list there. My trainer Brent from snap. He was going to Colorado last week and I said you. You GotTa stay at my house a little. Little families had a couple of kids and a wife. He's got some time off he they both really deserve it. I said stay at my house out there and there's all kinds of free touristy things to do around Colorado. Springs so I gave him some tips and so yeah any tips on Colorado. What about you? We'll be back in a couple. Couple of seconds on Katie WB, a sporting events that what is one of the most watched sporting events in recent history and people loved it. Did you know about this one? Maybe it's slipped under your radar. Tell you about that when this week on campus to Dave. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we have Sydney who is a fourth year senior over the U. of. Of M. With her report this week on campus. It's a special edition because she's been on a lake, so it's this week on the lake the time around and she's been on a bender. Let me tell you if you follow her on social media so I'm excited for this one or we'll do this week on campus. Slash Lake next on, Katie, WB. The Dave Lyon Show presents this week on campus. Sydney worked in the Promotions Department here at Katie WB and now she's You know seen you're over at the U. OF M. and senior years been a little bit weird, a lot weird with all the quarantine and stay at home orders, and all that kind of thing, but Sydney's now loosening her restrictions. And did I don't know I want to put words in your mouth, but goal crazy this weekend and this past week on campus Sydney. Hello, and where are you right now? I'm in Saint. Michael! Lake, bb or BB Wake I. Don't know which way it goes, but I've been here for like four days. Okay, I m picturing you in a bayliner with with swimsuit on sunglasses and a long neck bottle of bud in your hand right now at this moment, but I'm GonNa Guess. You're probably inside the lake home right now. Oh I'm in bed and I'll be here for the remainder of the day and that's my girl. Let's get your report this week on campus. Slash the lake. Yeah I'm convinced that manner crazy and girls are not crazy. That's been like my consensus. 'cause know I've been called crazy so many times I boys, which is fair because I am a little crazy. There's been two boys in the last twenty four hours have just done the absolute most and one is. He did it to himself, but he also did it to me because I was a victim. In this case, imagine that me, not causing problems, but being victimized. WHAT THE PROBLEM STARTER! He invited everyone overtures apartment, just to hang out casual and I had well. We were talking or anything. I thought he was really cute, and we might have kids maybe like the other day. So I went over, and I was excited to see him, and then when I got there, he decided to have like three other girls over that he was also talking to. Oh, so, it turned, and I had no idea until like. I was right there and forefront of it. And then the girl like was one of the girls. Okay, and so not the girl, but one of the girls was not happy about it at all, and she texted him and was like. I'm so sorry Blah Blah. Blah and then he she was like I. Hope you're not with the other girls, but the other girl was me. And, he was so. Bad look on his part, so this guy. Basically he had who was three timing it and you're one of the threes. Why did he invite? You guys all to the same place. I don't really understand that concept. You Know I. Don't think he was thinking that. When through it all I think he just thought it was going to be a good time and there was you know. Oh. He said he's saying friend. Actually okay. We're going to help you sitting right now. He's sitting next to you in the bed right now. So Sydney. Do you think you've one? Is that what we're getting to have you one question and Ending of the story. The grand finale was that I'm the winner. Oh, my God! Okay, he's an F. Boy, right so we're what happened to the other two girls. Did you like pitch them in the lake? Or what did you do to them? They went home. They went home. Okay, right? Around one on this week on campus now, what is what else is going on on campus or on the lake? While you should be on campus normally, but what's going on? Yeah, so I got another Texas morning from a friend and she goes to school at University of Tennessee's so different campus, but still same concept is that boys are crazy and she been seeing this guy for like six months I want to say, and they also recently broke up, and she's like very confident, and like she was like no, whatever like I'm going to move on I'm GonNa get over this. And she just like started ignoring him, and that did not sit right. Right with him so now he's been playing again the victim card and he thinks that he is in the right by being able to like texture unlike walker phone, and then this morning he blocked on everything and should like. I had the block you on everything because you post with other people to make me mad like Hebrew things with her so like. Why does he have the right to do that? You know he does not have the right at all I. Don't think. Exactly so again sack back to route as manner crazy so now Sydney anything with your studies or graduation. The report is called this week on campus. Is there any paperwork filed or graduation? Anything going on at all academically. No I took last semester off, and I was GONNA do summer classes and I said might want to take that one off, too, so don't think this would be the time to take summer classes. You can't really you can't go to Cowboy Jacks. You can't do all your normal stuff. Don't you think you should maybe focus on your studies for the summertime? I mean that's a very fair point. My parents brought it up. I'm getting that unemployment money, so I'm going to have plans. You might as well live it up because basically after college. Your life is over. Got To grow up. You might as well do it now. Well! Someone told me the other day that they think I'm going to be nineteen forever. Which is I? Don't know if that's common insult, but you're not nineteen twenty one, aren't you? I'm twenty three? That makes it even worse, twenty three. Yeah. So graduated last year. I graduated in twenty nineteen. What happens? I backpack for a year and then I transferred, and then I dropped out, and then I transferred again, and then I dropped out, and then I transferred again now here. Okay, you know what? When I was your age, I was a grandfather of. I had so much I've grown up so much. I had grandkids in four different states. It was crazy Sydney? We always love hearing from you on your report your academic report this week on campus. What are you on Instagram? Give me your instagram so people can go see you. Yeah. It's The Sydney. Monroe, and there's two is with Aetna Sydney. So as why D. N. E., Y., Y, ammo, N., R. O. K. Sydney. Thank you so much for this week on campus. On What One Point Three K dwp. This has been kiss week on campus. On one point three Katie wbz. Rachel from Crystal Minnesota and it's time for Dave's dirt on one point three K. D. WB brought to you by country, hearth breads, and the trending topics over the weekend role about DOJ. You hear about this one specifically whether she should be cancelled or not. Here's the story just a day after her remix of the weekends in your eyes, drop some skeletons from her past. Past emerge, they were rumors and various screen shots that seem to indicate the DOJ cat spent considerable time on message boards and chat rooms, including four Chan, which is known for being the home to trolls, racist and basically badland the bottom of the Internet barrel, and there was a matter of elite song that features a racist term now the conversation around canceling DOJ. Got So loud that she had to address the rumors with a statement under instagram. She said I want to address. What's been happening on twitter I've used public chat rooms to socialize. Since I was a child, I shouldn't have been on some of those chat room sites, but I personally have never been involved in any racist conversations I'm sorry to anyone I offended, so somebody went back in like dug up something that she hosted years ago. I guess I mean that's the thing is that that's is that? She totally was a different person I. Don't know if it was racist or not what she did, but that's what the. Whenever you become famous. There's always someone that digs up your pass and I think we've all said it on the show before like there's probably things in the past we've done that. We would never do nowadays, but we've adjusted with the time so canceled. Culture is so aggressive now and I do think that people deserve a chance to explain and change while I think that's true, I mean depending on what you did, and how long ago it was. was I mean for example you know we use the the really good example of really mainstream movie Napoleon dynamite. Use The R. Word several times, and now sure that everybody was in it. We didn't even blink back then, but everybody who was in. It probably would be embarrassed about it now, so it's just. I mean things change I. Don't know what she wrote, so I can only say that that she was the victim of the cancel culture. This is Jennifer Lopez on some benefits of being quarantine Jaylo. There's been some really scary executive. Fill time you know uncertainty all of that, but I'm also realizing a lot of things you know I'm realizing you know what I didn't call my mom every day I need to call her everyday. Even when this is over because I've been speaking to her every single day, and this is over, and we get back to work whatever that new normal is I want to keep them going. We set a time like every night at seven thirty sitting down. We're having dinner and I was like you know there are certain things that. I've discovered during this time that I definitely want to keep going so in that sense. It's been a blessing. Carson I Carson home from college and he got home. You know he'd be home by now anyway, but he's been home since spring. Break like middle of March, and it's been great having him home I know, he really wants to go back to school in the fall, but here's the latest. A lot of schools plan to reopen campuses. The students which does not sit well with every parent, one public health doctor compared placing teenagers dormitories it. It would be like sending them on a cruise ship. Has Your all breathing the same air dorm rooms with two roommates, one roommate, sometimes three roommates. They're tiny I. mean they're just enough room, so it would be like on a cruise ship. Colleges are also afraid of lawsuits if they become a hot spot, but also they fear financial ruin. The campus turns into a ghost town. I also heard My wife has told me that she had heard. That college tuition will finally stopped going up because it's just gotten so ridiculously expensive, and somehow this pandemic will cause tuition to go down. I don't know how that works better is because there's not gonna be going able to go to college. I wouldn't I I tell you I. Mean Carson. Is GonNa live in an apartment in Boston this fall. But I would be really nervous about him going back I. Mean he's young and he's healthy, but still eileen nervous about him going back to college and living in those conditions, since he is an apartment, though and not like a dorm situation. Do you think that he would want to be living in the apartment and doing online classes from the apartment there or would you rather stay in can't hassle. He would. He would much rather be in Boston with his online classes. But you know we'll see about that all right. We got some bad. This is a constitutional lawyer explaining why businesses can force you to wear a face mask. Here is clipped one. It's complete nonsense when people say that they have a right not to wear masks that they might as well say that they have a right not to wear clothes. It strange that these people say I have a constitutional right not to wear a mask at the same time, completely disregarding the rights of private property owners. It's the thing where we have a family friend who doesn't like math Malini alone. But his wife said the perfect thing When you go to the gas station, no shirt, no shoes, no service. They just added mask to it. You know I will wear masks. There's run a little bit late, but there was a video of lura goose reporter over time. Eleven yeah, and I I don't think it's doesn't matter, but he's at that bar in Wisconsin a couple of days ago and all these people a bunch of like. People are yelling at him to take off his mask and like take off your mask. Take off your mask and one. He turns to walk away and one woman actually grabs him by the shoulder. And it was disturbing. It's like your right to not wear. A mask also gives me the right to wear a mask. If I want to not be harassed Karen move. Why do you care that much? Because they? I don't know I think they say that he's instilling fear and a lot of people think that the media are instilling fear and there some of the honest with you, there's. There's a lot of news. Stories Ebb. Read where it's like I'm not going to read this. Because this is like the murder Hornet story, but they're just trying to get you to be more fearful, but I don't think the mask is one of those so all right? We'll be back in a couple of minutes on Katie WB I think we have a war of the roses coming up. award the roses coming up in a couple of seconds. Who is going to send the roses to? And what's excuse? This time we'll find out as we catch another cheater on war of the roses. Getting you the evidence, you need to bust a cheer. This is Dave Ryan's more of the roses at one point three. Thousand you know how it is when you first meet somebody. You're so excited and you're just can't wait to see him and you. Everything reminds you of them, and you're selling love, and you think about each other all the time. He text each other, and he can't wait to get together and do your thing. You know what I'm saying, but then you get married, and then it all just. Some. People are in relationships for years before they get married. Sex drive can still die down before that is very true. I mean well before you get married. That's kind of what we're dealing with here because we're catching up with zoe and i. read your email is real short, but she's expanding a little bit. Zoe, tell me what's going on why you want to do the roses on Jonathan. the basically we've been together. Fill while now probably like six months and at the beginning like you said like it was fireworks. Much time together. We always had so much fun together. And frankly likely couldn't keep our hands off each other. so that's. That's the way it should be in the beginning because you're so excited because all new everything, right? and like I mean we even had running joke. That like we would do it like anytime anywhere like we crazy each other. They're now just say you'll do it anytime anywhere. That means okay. Didn't what was the couple wasn't there on a bus not too long ago? Unworthy roses the did it on a bus lead. They met on the bus on the bus that it's right. Okay, I, all you yeah, where's the weirdest place that you and Jonathan ever did you'll thing. Will one time. We were at the park And you know one thing led to another and. We of sound like like a chain link fence and we kinda you know like I said. One thing led to another, and we had a nice little time there and. And that was great. Okay a chain link, fence and apartments. Visualize where their people around. Yeah, it's a cargo people around, but you know you're kind of up against it, so it wasn't really you naughty. But but since then I mean, let's let's cut to the sad part here, and and this is the problem in the last what month or couple of months or week or how long has been going on now the last couple of weeks? It's just things have really really really slowed down like I barely even fear anymore, and what I do select come. Come over, and we'll watch a movie, and then he'll go home. You know and it's just like I. Understand you know after a while the passion like so down a little bit, but to go from like everything to nothing is it makes me I. Don't know makes me confirmed that. Maybe he's seeing someone or something going on, because it's just weird, okay? So, you don't really have anything more than that. Except it's just weird that you went from like all the time seen each other very passionate to now it's like hardly ever, and if it's like if you're not getting it with me, must be getting somewhere else because I I mean my. You know like I. My needs diminished. I'm like hey, come over. You're still ready to roll and the Jonathan is like does he say's working or was he? Say's Dylan. flaky her. I mean I. Don't know I, feel it. We can call him and see. We can get a hold of him. And then which are you? Which player? Use this time now I'm going to be the roses company again just because they don't live together so okay, okay? You're calling from roses or flour company. Yeah, they all do the same way last week. which is a local flower shop? Blah Blah okay all right. Let's call them right now and see who he sends the roses too. Jonathan. Jessica with. How're you doing today one? Where are you calling? From a floral department we're doing promotion and your name was in our system. He must have purchased flowers from past, and you were selected at random. Basically, the promotion today is we are giving some of our customers, a free dozen long-stem romantic roses to send out the anyone anywhere at no cost to them, and it's basically just us saying hey, next time you purchase flowers for a special event your life. Hopefully you'll think of US correal yes. Yes I know it sounds too good to be true, but it's just our way of saying. Thank you for being a customer in the past and we hope you continue to be a customer with us. Say. It sounds too good to be true. It probably is not at all Wilson those after whoever you would like again. No cost to you like I said. You say a name for who would send those to okay. tend to first name as Bailey's last name. we. Note for you if you'd like to leave a little message for Bailey can do so. Happy Three Week anniversary saying I do to you. Has Been The easiest? And Best, decision, Of My life. Love Jay Very. Hard Very, very, Long Carlo. Has Your Wife. We got married three weeks ago. You're married now. WHO's it? That's a really good point is going to surprise your low bit because we're surprise to. Jonathan I mean congratulations on being married. Did you think that you should maybe tells zoe? Because there's this what's going on here? It's it's Katie W. B. in the Dave Ryan show calling and Zoe was wondering why. You've kind like drop out of her life. A little bit I guess we've got the answer your. You Got Married Zoe listening right now on the other phone here, Zoe say hi, so Jonathan will know that we're legit and you're on the phone. Are. You. Kidding me you're married. Hello I have a hung up probably a good move. I'd say so he the real weeks ago. That means the whole time you've been together. I'm assuming he's been yeah. Big Time usually takes a while to plan a wedding. That poor girl Bailey that he may God so. Whatever you feel that Zoe, but at least you're not married to him. What about this? I, think God? This is terrible, because I don't think we've ever had anybody that I remembering. Years and years. Doing war of the roses turned out that they just got married. They've been married before, but just got married that you had one. No idea no I. Don't even know why why. He would even be seeing me for the last few months. If you. If you have a theon time, and now he's like. I can't even believe this. I am in complete thoughts. About how badly might feel right now if we can get her on the phone? Is got the radio on Whoa. We ever had anybody get married. Have we ever had anybody during worthy roads? Grows what a sleaze bag in the. Growth but I didn't like seeing someone. That was smell well. Now you know the where he disappeared too because. Yeah. I'm so sorry. It sucks. I. All Right Dave Ryan in the morning. Show award roses every single morning. CHECK US out online on Dave Ryan Show Dot Com for all of our weekend in five photos. Did something really cool yesterday was really proud of this I forget where I saw it, but they asked anybody who could play a bugle or trump to play taps in their driveway CDs. Might have been CBS started the whole thing, but I'm not sure and so. I asked the neighbor across the street. I said Hey. Your kid plays trumpet. Do you want to have his play together? And he's like I. Don't think he's GonNa WanNa. Do it and the kids like maybe so we got our boy scouts shirts on look more official. Yeah, and we went outside in the driveway and we played taps, and if you WANNA see the video, it's on my. I think it's on my instagram. It's definitely on my facebook page so I sat on your instruments. You're also doing a facebook live tonight. Dave I am six. Seven o'clock. Susan are GonNa, go again. Walk Susan warm up your arms. What time is it going to be again? I think it's a six o'clock six YEP that's been. SPATULA family. You want to go on a walk with seasoning on day. I take leave it. What do you think you guys will talk about tonight? People that we should have married. We'll go through a list of people mary. Oh well, she only dated one guy before me Alan. so she probably should married Allen There's another guy named todd. She probably should married, but then she got stuck with me. Mine would probably be either Leslie. Or Rhonda. To yeah, it doesn't. That sounds like a made up name? I. Get Mad at me. WHO's Leslie and WHO's wrong? But we asked this earlier. This is really interesting. We talked about things that you are an expert in. And your friends always come to you because they know you're an expert in it like bad for Fallon. It's always restaurants Fallon going to be downtown Minneapolis. What restaurants should I go to? She'd be like well. What are you in the mood for you? Blah Blah and like narrow down. Give you a good restaurant, or you're going to be in north loop fallon. What's a good restaurant North loop? Steve is kind of the computer guy, so if you're like I'm having trouble finding this online or whatever he'll be like. Oh, I can find it for you. I'm an expert of a plane crashes people. People always call me and say here, but the plane crash. What happened and I usually Kinda have an idea. Jimmy's an expert in boxed wine. Yeah, I, really I. Don't think I'm an expert in anything but I do think that people come to me just to talk I'm the person that if you have a problem going on in your life, there's no judgment and I'm here to listen, so you are a judgment free zone. She really is no I don't think about Jenny I. told you any stuff that it's like probably shouldn't tell her but i. tell her about border with my problems anyway. So I asked people on on the radio. What are you an expert in your friends? Always ask you so somebody says everybody comes to me about food. I'm a chef and all my friends want food, advice or want me to make him food. Another one airports I can go to an airport one time and have the place completely mapped out for the bathrooms to the best restaurant another. Another one an expert of the Minnesota State Fair. My Dad owns a grocery store out. There I've gone all twenty five years of my life I know it in and out and I. Love it My name is Julie I went to e Marin emt school so I get a lot of friends asking for medical advice. I'm now in cosmetology school, so I get a lot of questions about hair. Here's one I'm a nurse at a dermatology clinic. My friends and family asked me questions about skin, and if they're moles, look weird, but they rarely listened to me about wearing sunscreen. I'm guilty. Better and that's like I should've worn it. Yesterday didn't another one I fix. Cars work on almost anything in the house. Love running my chainsaw I worked at Caribou for ten years. ANYTHING COFFEE YOU'RE. Caribou drinks related, and then another one one hundred percent theme park vacations I specialize in Disney. However, I am also proficient in universal. Studios I could be a travel agent and I'm proud so Texas. What you could be expert in your friends. Always ask you about is Tina in today she is. She's right next to me. You can text US enough for Disney facts to. She knows everything about Disney. Hey Tina! Yester-, what is the must ride ride right now in magic kingdom, Magic Kingdom. Yeah, I think the most popular one is probably seven dwarfs mine train, but I'm always like Space Mountain Kinda girl. But ever weights like three hours for that Dang ride. In Epcot. What are they doing with? The? It used to be the big giant Golf Ball. It was spaceship Earth. What are they doing? Spaceship Earth I'm glad you asked day of they're currently. They started a refurbishment right before quarantine, so it's going to be closed for like a and a half or something. Ride that's so lame and slow moving. That is my favorite ride at Epcot, getting ready to turn a big birthday I. Think it's twenty five next year, so they're trying to make. It looks pithy Gina. What do the initials Kat mean anyway experimental prototype community of tomorrow that a guy or a girl in that Mickey mouse suit, good question Dave. It is Mickey, mouse how? Grow Up, Tina all right. We're going to talk to Tina and his second. She's GonNa play where you can play along to. It's called the. What do we call the Game Genie Game? Rapid fire questions can. Try it next. On Katie WB and now it's time. For Jenny's game was got less speed round trivial. What's it called? Rapid fire question. It's pretty much. Jetty Weather Girl Jenny takeaway. Okay, so I have three different subjects. This time it's going to be NFL teams, famous landmarks and states. I'm going to pick out of a cup, so you don't think I'm like altering it to WHO's going at the time so I will have. Steven Dave go against each other. We're picking out of a cup and you will do famous landmarks. Got this one what I'm GonNa do is I'm just going to simply name a landmark. You need to give me the country that it's in. So if you say a city that's fine, but I need the country to go with it as well. Okay all right. I'm going to put sixty seconds on the timer, and Dave will go first and then Steve I'm not gonNA. Say Your names because that just confuses. Push back and forth so dave goes I and sixty seconds here we go. The Eiffel Tower Paris France. Stonehenge Ireland. Leaning Tower of Pisa Italy. Sydney Opera House Australia. March up to. Peru. Mount Rushmore America. Mount Saint Michael. Greece! The Great Pyramid of Giza. Buckingham Palace England. Golden Gate Bridge. In America. Taj By new. You're going to say that one. I can't remember where it was A. Game Works Madrid now. The calcium that's in Greece Italy I answer. The Statue of Liberty America. Christ the redeemer. In Brazil. The Acropolis Greece. The blue domes of. Our, that's an. Eireann. No. Victoria Falls. Good that South Africa. Venezuela Zimbabwe Eritrea falls. Who Kept Score? So I did not, but I. know that Dave one that. In your face Latortue. Yeah, that was good. I knew you were going to say. Taj Mahal India Depp. Carson told me the other day. My kid he's dead I WANNA go see like one thing before I die, I'm like well. You got plenty of time. You're nineteen what you want to go see. He's like I. Want to see the Taj. Mahal because it's so perfect and beautiful, and I'm like it's a really weird thing to one across the world to see and go for a long flight, but I think it's probably worth. US Super Long flight, and they're not serving drinks on flights anymore now or parental or pretzels. What the hell are! We GonNA FLIGHT TO INDIA ANYWAY? Who's going up next? WHOSE NECK so now? Tina goes against Steve Dave. You've made it to the finals. Teen Again Stephen Picking, out of a cup and your is this topic is going to be NFL. Is Your thing Tina and I did this specifically since. Fallon's on vacation today because I know that it would just not working her all so what I'm GonNa do is say the team like the mascot or something like that so I'll say like. You have to say Minnesota. No, you have to say Minnesota. You'RE GONNA get wrong. If you say Minneapolis or if I, say packers, you'd say Green Bay Wisconsin packers to that I know. You letting you know that that's how it works so seeven low-tar. Going first awesome here. We go six seconds on the clock. The Dolphins Miami. Patriots New England. Cardinals. No God Arizona. PHILADELPHIA! BEARS CHICAGO? chargers. Falcons Atlanta Cowboys dowse. Saints New Orleans. Lions, Drake. Texans. HOUSTON. Forty niners San Francisco. Chiefs. Browns. CLEVELAND. Rams Los Angeles. Bengals Cincinnati. Gas. Giants New York Ravens. broncos Denver Payton's. Spills Buffalo Panthers. Carolina. Jets New York. Stevie ID so much. Good you only got like two wrong. You Got Eight. Teams thing but Tina. What are Donald Duck's nephews names here we do that. Let's see. that. Go! Back against date. I've taken my lines for this. You've been on the radio all morning Taco with an. In your face, not all boring. I'd put him back in just a little while ago. All right, your teeth look just incredible. Nice okay guys. The last subject is going to be state, so I'm going to say something famous about that state. You'RE GONNA. Give me the state. Okay. I'm ready. I'm pretty sure. Dave was pretty good. At this last time, we played it so debut. Go I once again. Ready I! EVER ADDY GALA! This is the only state where the tropical forests boy. It was in this state that Rosa Parks started a civil rights movement by. Though Pazzi no Alabama. This state is known as the most popular destination for retirement Florida. The jazz capital of the world resides in the. Louisiana the cartoon show. The Simpsons takes place in this state. Springfield Illinois. Springfield right, but not to say. The state is larger than any European country Texas. The State is referred to as the diner capital of the country. NEW JERSEY! That's right. Eight. Hundred languages are spoken the State New York. This is the state is the number one producer of honey in the nation. Kansas dicky bond set might enjoy living in the state due to the highest producer of copper in the country the Anna no Detroit. Michigan now. This is the first state to give women the right to vote. Yeah. Three Steve Sorry. Let's go back. What is the largest producer of copper wire the dicky bond set? Arizona no kidding. Earlier that the. Number, one producer funny, as North Dakota, really Yup. You did get diner capital of the country. You got it and Dave Got Springfield write for the simpsons, but it's Oregon Oregon. Now can I. Can I question that because I don't think on the simpsons. They ever say what state they're in. I don't think so either. Dave's right about that, but I will look. Again. Seinfield but they never say so, but that's all right. I swear when honestly I was googling fun facts about certain states, and that was like the number one thing that came up for Oregon where. It was revealed in one of the episodes called the burns. Cage Springfield location was finally revealed to be in the middle of America. The one the producers said that it was based in Springfield Oregon but who knows or not really okay, Google, it real quick doesn't matter I want anyway. It's one point three Katie WBZ WE'RE GONNA. Come back with some news. You know the great. The great thing is guys. Remember. When we started doing good news, it seemed like there was so little good news. About two months ago, we started doing a segment called good news, and it was always like. Oh, the soccer team! This high school is raising money or the seven year. Old Girl is you know selling lemonade to raise money whatever it was and there was nothing really like solid good news now. There's not a whole lot of advancements but I think there's much more good news I. Don't think we're that. That I read a survey that says were much less sad, anxious and depressed as we were a couple of months ago when everything was started, and we didn't know what to expect I mean a couple of months ago. I mean we really kind of sat around and thought you know the to twelve medical center and fairview south. Dale is GonNa have tents in the parking lot full of dying people? and. We really didn't know and it didn't turn out to be anything like that. It's still sad that so many people have died of course, and it's still scary that there's going to be a second way very likely going to be a second wave, but we're still going to do good news because you know what got to have it, I like it I. It news and we'll do that for you next dateline. Show one on one point three Katie wbz. We do have some good news for you and one of them. One of the stories is Denmark is letting people into the country to see their significant other, but they gotta be able to show a love, letter or other proof of the relationship, so like okay, get itself Diane. Is that is going to be enough to be like yeah. That's Oh. Yeah, that's Diana Right. Nobody writes love letters anymore. So really. What do you have messages? You'll love tax love tax plan to actually do. Send love little tax back and forth to Andrew Jenny now. They're just sexual. No lovey, okay, have you guys, said the l word yet together? We have not got napper. No. Did you ever say it too. Soon I was dating one girl. Burn down the Daycare Candy. I can't remember. I said on the phone one time I was like I. Love You, she said No. You don't David and I'm like Oh. That hurts other response. I was expecting. Some time because you're trying to get things going on the phone with her, so now I mean think already had things going, but I just said and she corrected me and is turned out. I didn't love her right, but she was right. He asked like this to the pandemic is bringing back the Milkman. Yes, old fashion milk delivery is becoming a viable job again now. And with the return of the Milkman, we should see a spike in paternity tests if I had my cliches Yup. Always say I am the Milkman style because I like nothing like my family see the funny thing is. There is no milkman anymore, so you gotta say the UPS Guy More Schwann's Schwann's. Delivery person that guy to. sex doll company in. Florida says it cannot keep up with demand since the pandemic began I suppose that's true. People say they're looking forward to spending money again. With more restrictions lifted in the whole, the things people want our vacations and meals at restaurants, so I don't blame them. What restaurant or you go into going to ex when it opens up and going to Steve. I'll probably could crave get sushi emily. Such great Sushi Jenny Probably Logos Taco who good one. There's one excelsior also. Did you know this? Is True. There's a myth going around that hand. SANITIZER can explode if you leave it in a hot car, it is not true although it is flammable. If you hold a lighter up to it and a couple of more good news stories, one hundred one year old, a World War veteran, and a seventy three year, old daughter, both live in the same nursing home in Maryland and they both got to. To Celebrate Memorial Day, together after they each of Covid, nineteen, one, hundred, one and seventy three I love this one, although the kid is headed down the wrong road, he's a seventeen year old kid in Orlando started his own radio station when he was eleven, they still added. He's been raising money for frontline workers by charging five dollars for a song request in less than a month he's. He's raised thirty thousand dollars higher at radio station I. Don't know how that works. I mean it's it can't be licensed by the FCC ED. Think so probably broadcast like down the block, or whatever Here's one side effect of the crisis. That's Nice robocalls from scammers are way down because a call centers that run them have fewer workers right now back in February. There's about one hundred. Hundred, sixty six million robo calls a day in the US. It's dropped by about half that since then Pizza Hut's give it away a half. A million pizzas to graduating seniors and their families and a chick chick-fil-a in San Antonio rolled out the red carpet, and through a commitment ceremony for five employees. Who are graduating this year. That's kind of cool. Have you seen the line of Chick-fil-a? I'm sure it's exactly like the one that raising cane's that I always go by is worse cable any worse it came. Out of the parking lot into the road or wherever the thing as each day you're like. Oh, I'm not getting that line. We have passively Hugh on Sunday night and I think it was probably twenty cars deep. We drove by the one over by Eden prairie like by the old abandoned Burger, king, and that line was like like. The wasn't around the block, but probably again about twenty cars in line and Mike. Why are people wanting dairy queen so much like? This weekend for what had has been I should say, but it was also kind of Muggy and I feel like you just go get some ice cream during that. Don't know this, but NERF I guess bought Super Soaker, which may be, that's always been a thing because i. just stocked up on a whole bunch of super soaker balloon launchers. Balloon launcher because you said that it's pretty amazing. It's okay I'm taking it back. It was cool at first, but it's the kind where it's a hand balloon launcher where you pull it back. has this feeling like a slingshot one? And it shoots. Wow, but it's not like you know the t shirt, cannon or balloon cannon one like back in the day where you pull, had two people holding yeah. I used to do that for the timber wolves. That's what did you do Jenny? I'd slingshot t shirts. I used to be an interactive squad at the Tim Rules and we slingshot t shirts. It's a hard job. It's stressful you're trying to. Everyone's excited. They're looking at you. Like hundreds of people are staring at you. And if you flop slingshot, they all have embarrassed. Turn Red and you got off that court. It's as you can. Oh, that's funny. I don't know if I told you this. A couple of years ago I had a pair of timber, wolves, tickets and I was parked in our parking garage and I left him on the dashboard. And I came back after the show somebody had broken the window and put another para. Timber Wolves tickets on schedule. Do you. Listen Milano posted something on social media and immediately people roasted her for it, and we'll tell you about what than was coming up next on Dave sturt on one at one point three Katie. WB An on your smart vice, in Amazon, Alexa and everything wherever you listen, we're there, except maybe on your cassette. It's one on one point three Katie being. This is logan out in Woodbury. Minnesota and you are listening to Dave, sturt. Hogan I appreciate it. Thank you appreciate that David is brought to you by country hearth breads. Let's get started list Milano posted a picture of herself wearing crochet mask, and of course, the Internet's like you. Knew so stupid. Let's go little holes in it. They called her out for Sporting. What they thought was a useless face. Covering one person said Eliza. That mask is as helpful as a screen door on a submarine. The actress was quick to set the record straight. She said mask has a carbon filter in it, so yes, it might be crochet the totally safe. She also posted a screen shot of the carbon filters. You put inside the mask. She told another user that the mass was made by her mom. Cool, good idea. You know what I've been watching lately. Is The buzzer networked with old game shows and you see Betty. White was a staple of old game shows back in the day, and it's amazing to look at her forty forty five years ago, and she looked oldish then and think that she's still alive while she's doing very well. They said she's keeping busy in quarantine. They said no one's permitted inside her home. Except those who must chess helpers were great with her. Her Rep checks in with her several times a week and we always have laughs. You know how old betty white is now. Ninety, four, Ninety, eight, Ninety, eight Jenny ride yeah. They say she's got a beautiful backyard with a number of wild animals, visiting ducts always come by to say hello. They WANNA leftover glass door and look in, so they go on to say the viruses afraid of betty. Glad she's doing well always good when you hear like an old person that beat the virus like the hundred and one year old that beat it in the like. Yeah, all that stuff goal. Benny was on Golden Girls Right? Okay. I mean she's been on so many different things. I've actually forgotten that she was on golden girls 'cause she's just such a cultural icon now. I think that it was the last big thing, yeah! She was in the proposal with Sandra Bullock. The best part of that entire movie is when they do the scene around the fire, and they do ski ski mother in their dancing to that song around the fire. It is well. It's Sandra Bullock. That's singing. It's like through the window to the window to the. Like Chan and Betty Weiss just like going with it even though she doesn't know what's happening. boys to men were on Song Land last night. I saw that. Yeah, that's. Always been yet, they they actually created that the next hit song and one song writers. Life actually has changed forever if you Miss Song Land It's such a great show on NBC you can actually catch up on last night's episode. It's now streaming and don't miss new episodes every Monday on NBC but yeah, it's a great show or the new song every time and yet voiced men were on, and that's really cool. I Love Boys. I remember when they had their big song. I think it was end of the road. It was either end of the Road Rotor I'll make love do and they topped the charts for fourteen weeks then they did another song. Song that beat that record and then one sweet day with Mariah Carey beat that record so boys to have spent like a total of two months or more, maybe whatever maybe six months on top of the chart so I'll make love to you and once weekday with Markelle which F. Fourteen and sixteen weeks respectively. Wow, don't you set new records for the total number of weeks at number one? So if you missed song land, you can catch up on streaming and go check that out. It's actually a really. Really, really cool show speaking of music, even though he's topped the charts around the World Louis Paul, these still lives with his mom and dad, and that's had its pros and cons during the whole lockdown. He says that he's actually drawn a lot of strength from his folks over the past weeks. He says obviously you worry for them going out, but it's just that thing of view like you have to. My mom is a nurse and has to do, and that's our view of it. This is my job and. And this is what I do I think if she was more panicked or my dad was. I probably would be a bit more worried, but their demeanor has been quite reassuring to me. He also jokes about potential of fiscal altercation with the MOM and Dad Says Dad's been doing. Push ups around the House and I saw my mom polishing some knuckledusters I thought right. I Bet a wall out I've been doing squats, I. Know that obviously lose capacity I, wonder if his parents will be in the background during. His performance at our virtual star party coming up on June fourth. You know this. Is that funny because he is going to be doing it from his home, star. Party is of course presented this year by white cloths. Seltzer, and normally we do it at the myth this time we're doing it. Virtually and we've got John Legend Meghan trainor Louis. The Alec Benjamin, Love Services and Powell food. It's a free. Of course it's free. It's online. We don't have any idea. How would charge you and even if we did, we wouldn't do it anyway. It's only on Katie Dot. com starting at seven PM, and it's coming up on June fourth, so it's from white claw. Hard Seltzer made pure, so June fourth is not that far away isn't win. Is June fourth because today's the twenty six to thirty days ago, so it's like a week from this Thursday yet? Because it's also the last day of school for my children as hard to believe, because usually we started talking about star. Party on new, year's Day and we hype it up. Very Paul Spring and then by the time rolls around. You're like we get. It. So, this time starts a little bit different, but we're still doing our thing because that's what we do. It's been tradition on. K. WBZ for a very long time. That's another audio here for you, this is. I like this one. This is Take on me played on washing machines now. This is played on the keypad on a washing machine. You'll recognize the song when you hear it here, we go. Okay so there's that okay. All right okay McDonald's has a new training video about cleaning, and it's called. Clean it to the tune of beat it here it is. Player. Just. Off. Actually have Dave Ryan show dot com to okay cool. It's really funny. At the end of a long weekend. We usually talk about what movies did at the box office over the weekend, and there's been no movies for a long time. I really hope they open back up again soon because I love the movie experience and I think if I went and was socially distanced, and they sterilized the seats between each movie I'd really love to go back. You know there's nothing like movie popcorn you can make popcorn at home is not the same as movie. Popcorn Jake bond set. Fallon's husband gave me a movie recommendation. because. I watched that movie called Don Wall about the guy who climbed this like on climate, mountain in Yosemite and I'm not a big climbing buffer zone late. Really interesting, so I told Fallon and she said Jake loves this movie called Free Solo, and it's about this really awkward kind of really very awkward. Have you seen a Steve? I've seen clips of it because I've heard seventy people talk about it that like. Like he because he's in a relationship, but it's a very weird relationship to because he's such a weird guy he's he's weird, but he's really likable in some way, and he has no fear. I mean he's standing on top of a ledge. That's about sixty six inches, wide and free climbing I guess no no ropes nothing and he doesn't just Klein. He sprints up, doesn't he? He went up this like really. Really difficult face in like three and a half hours, so it's really incredible. If you're looking for a movie to watch in quarantine, watch free Solo, even if you're not in a mountain climber I'll give you one not to watch. CARSON LOVES TO WATCH ELVIS MOVIES BECAUSE HE studied music and he wants to find out what the big deal is about Elvis, so we watched a couple of Elvis movies we. We like them all then. We watched a hard day's night by the Beatles on Saturday night. He did not like it. Why because it's weird, old school British humor with thick British accents, and you can't really understand him half the time, so like parts, and this is a classic. He's like I watched big over the weekend. We introduce it to our children for the first time PG's changed guys, you mean. They use the F word. The S. word. The B Word I heard all those words. They also like you know basically a thirteen year old and a thirty year old having relations had to fast forward through that sex scene. Awkward because he's like a kid. That's twelve then all of a sudden. He says I want to be big, so he gets to be a big person like a twenty five thirty year, old guy. Yeah, and then he's hooking up with a twenty eight year old woman. Yeah, and then at the very end like when he gets dropped off back at his mom. Oh, yeah, and then like the kid next door. The MOM's like. Oh, my Gosh, when broken to my house, and he's the whole time, and the mom pulls a knife on her own kid, and that she's crying, talking to the redhead he's everything will be okay. Many mother mom would say like no, it's not my kid was kidnapped. Letters. That's camp. Thirty four and it's brought to by Arthur's jewelers. Hey, I want to know that the twin cities pride five k coming up later this summer, obviously not a lot of five. KS being run to do in a virtual five K so I'm just online. And you can just google. Twin Cities Pride Twenty twenty, and he'll take you to a link to register and sponsor people, and it's one of those runs where you were going to count on you to run it at your own time or whenever you want to run on the treadmill. You WANNA run. You know in your neighborhood tomorrow or whatever you go register so raising money for that one and go check that out and I thought. I couldn't find my rainbow to that I wore last year I. Think I threw it away. That's why we. Don't know Jenny. There's somebody might have kept it I. Don't know. I couldn't find it so I ordered another rainbow to two, and I'm going to be running my five K on the stage here in the performance room. The Sky Room again on Katie like I do. Walk for animals five, Cadillac. Did Not ask for you to continuously on five ks on it David why. You know what the that safety. It's a break. It is for performance. For Dave Rind runs laps around. Those oppose all right. We love ICE CREAM AND Getting Warmer Sensory scientists came up with a seven step process that's supposed to give the ultimate ideal ice cream eating experience, so the one downside is takes longer, but if you're really serious about your ice cream here, the steps number one take it out of the freezer. Defrost for about fifteen minutes because it's too cold. The Aroma molecules don't release and smell plays a huge role in how things. Is like when you take a stake off the grill. You're supposed to let it rest for a few minutes, so all the fat will be reabsorbed back into the meat, instead of becoming liquefied. That makes sense. Get. Second separate scream. Do not take too big of a bite half a teaspoon per his ideal. Best, they say yeah I don't agree either I wanNA mouthful. Place the spoon upside down in your mouth, so the ice cream hits your tongue okay, I get that one role, the ice cream around in your mouth and pay attention to how smooth creamy texture fields. Breathe in through your mouth while the ice cream is in there. The air passing over it helps it hit more of your tastebuds. Don't swallow too soon. Twelve seconds in your mouth is ideal. Always true. Are we talking about ice cream yeah Steve's mom? Okay. Each spite to build up a quote. Full ice cream taste profile, but you don't want to have in there too long because then A. Little ice cream buzz where he like you breeze Yeah Right Off The top my head, favorite flavor of ice cream is anything like peanut butter, cookie dough anything. Yet peanut butter cookie reece's pieces. Yes, yes, or recess peanut Butter Cup is all delicious Yup I've always liked mint chocolate chip, but I like pretty much any flavor of ice cream except for like fruity flavors, I'm not really like a strawberry blue bear I. Try making homemade ice cream at home. It did not go well like I. Don't like the thing that actually spins it. How in the world try to make ice cream at home, but don't have the equipment. How how? There's a recipe that I found online and Jenny. Maybe you know what this is, too. You get all the ingredients like you usually would, but if you don't have like the blender thing you put it in a bag of ice, and then you basically shake it in a towel for five minutes, and it becomes the ice cream now. That's on Youtube. I watched people do it. I could never successfully do it, but it's possible just because I know how to improvise. Making cocktails does not mean I know how to improvise making ice cream bowl. That's what you should probably do on your facebook. Facebook live on Friday. You're doing to land for radio, Ham, a facebook live tonight six o'clock Steve Yes. Six six o'clock walk around the neighborhood with my wife Susan, and will answer questions, and we'll talk about the people that we should have married and who had made us actually happier and things like that, so we'll do that tonight on facebook. Live the Dave Ryan in the morning show sticking alarm alarming. Your phone love the heavy there six o'clock to night on facebook live. We'll be back with Dave's dirt to go in just a minute on one zero one point three K. D. WB. Hi this is parish from West Palm Beach. Florida. You're listening to Dave sturt on one. Oh, one point three K. D., WB. You're not listen to my good friend Kevin. Rolston down in West Palm Beach shows way better than our way better. Wow, parachute! I love you. Though glad you're listening on Iheartradio Shadow, you listen on iheartradio. Shout out also to everybody doing their thing. A country hearth bridge at a nice weekend back in the bakery, getting the bread and the stores stocking the shelves work in the. The, books, doing all the signs product all the marketing and flower together, but all that stuff. Yeah, and stuff. I was GONNA. Call him though is going to ask them where they're getting yeast. Because it was at the cub the other day they they're out of yeast, unlike wallow country hearth, they must be going into cub. The probably the they shop at has got the yeast. Or they just get in a different way maybe. Could Be I. Can I tell you about the adorable little moment that I had with my daughter Alison yeah over the weekend My daughter Allison came over, and so I, told her because I'm going to play the Ukulele for her little baby she's. Going to have a baby in two mottes her due date, July thirtieth so I said I'm going to play the UKULELE furthest little baby. We don't have a name for her yet. and then hopefully when she grows up as she gets you know comes out, and she's born and all that stuff. Maybe when I played the Ukulele she'll smile and look toward the sound whatever so I played this song for her I'm a Ukulele yesterday WanNa. Hear it. So the video is on my instagram. Dave Ryan Katie be and I. Think Allison was part happy? And our partner, there is yeah, just didn't like being videotaped what it is. You think so maybe. because. I feel like she's more of a private person. Don't you think? You know she is. The I th I think that. When she was little, she was embarrassed by the fact that her dad was on the radio. Because people would ask her about it and talk about it, and now she's just lost all interest. She's like Okay Barrett. Find like Carson used to listen to the radio every morning he'd get up. Take a shower sitting his towel in his chair in his bedroom with radio on. Listen to Dad, and now it's like he doesn't even go near the radio when I'm on it anymore. He might listen later, but he doesn't listen to it when I'm on like. Oh! Paris embarrassing. Sometimes a stroke shut up, Jenny. That's not really and that's Vallon John Krasinski. Is Getting slammed for selling his youtube. Show some good news viacom CBS. He had started the show presumably just to brighten up people's lives during the pandemic, he did eight episodes in charge nothing for them. But there's talk that with the sale. At least some of the contents going to air on CBS all access, which is a pay service and John is with the show as a producer, but he's not hosting it anymore, so here's some of the got salty salty comments. He's been getting on twitter, so he made eight youtube videos comprised largely of unpaid contributions from fans sold the brand to a major conglomerate and isn't even GonNa. Make it anymore just cashed out. Does this rub anybody else the wrong way kind of in this one this will lose the heart of S G N and become just another corporate money-making, watered down version of what it once was. I mean that part could be true, but. Due to Jenny were really following the the two girls. What is it the Daddy? Tell me what the latest is explain. What caller daddy is I kinda know what it is, but not like you call. Her Daddy is very sexually explicit podcast. Barstool sports owns and honestly it's pretty hard to sum up everything that's going on, but basically they demanded more money did some. And some kind of shady stop behind barstools back even though they were under contract bar, so basically gave into everything that the girls wanted one of the girls was being influenced by her boyfriend, and said No. We still want more. They got super super greedy, so finally the girl Alex. She's the block on the podcast. She just decided. You know what I'm going back to Barstool. I'm taking the deal doing the podcast by myself and I. Don't know you think that you'd hear some like. Lies between everything, but when you listen to podcasts between the host and the president of Barstool, everything sounds truthful. What's out there so I? Don't know if there's way more that goes into it than to be able to sign him up in like a minute, but basically the girl one girl going back. The other girl is out of luck. Satellite sorry screw you. Screwed so do you think she like you know like screwed herself by doing that? Or do you think she'll bounce back with another show? That's like really good. The problem is is that Barstool owns the IP call. Her Daddy is still the other girl can go off and do her own thing and I without a doubt. PODCAST company will pick her up for a podcast, but she has to completely revamp what she was doing on her part podcast because Barstool owns like. Famous quotes and phrases. Well that's the thing I mean everything that we have a contract here at radio station that any kind of an idea or content that we come up with while we're under the contract to the radio station belongs to the radio station. So if we come up with a bit called, you know, know your wife, or whatever and is really big hit. And I laughed. This station could still own the rights to know your wife like I. Don't know if it's still true. It's like if even if like you. Dave invented an APP. Technically it says it's still says it just like that, but like that they own parts rights to it. What did they come to me and say we own clip? Do they do? Technically they do not own clipper, do technically I believe. Don't do no, because coming up with the clippers. Who Was not part of my job I? Did they said we need you to design something for the pet world and I came up with a clip ado than they might own it i. Tried to take my clipper. Do Away Oh man, you Taylor swift on them. I think it's one of those things that they don't care about. S. Don't care, don't. Mind, Iheart I think you're right. Make your mind. Tiger Woods and Peyton manning took out Phil Mickelson and Tom Brady in a charity golf event that raised more than twenty million dollars Brady had a couple of bright spots, but otherwise he was bad, and even split the back of his pants at one point, but people are desperate for live sports, and it was called the match champions for charity tiger. Peyton Phil and Tom Brady was aired on a bunch of different networks. And, it was about five point eight million viewers making it the most watched golf telecast in cable, TV history I actually just saw a clip of it where Tom Brady hit like some shot woods while that to probably no, but like he hits shot at the surprised that it went into hold so perfectly, and he's like who am I holy bought because you know Tom, Brady's throwing a football, but I'm guessing not very good at the gall. I'm GonNa Totally Watch that I love shows like that. Watching regular golfers is like it's okay, but watching like amateurs play with pros. That would have been really cool. They had microphones to like talking while going. I was just going to say the exact opposite of what Dave said I was going to say. There's nothing more boring to Washington. Gulf my dad used to make me watch golf with him growing up and I love to spend time with him, but I was miserable watching golf. Golf Jimmy I do, but not well so if you WANNA call it play Golf Shirt Yup I participate in the Gulf sports, but I don't play very well. I have a sane when I go out. You're seeing that mean were Bert and Ernie are in there. It's Bert and Ernie. MEAM and Ernie says the Bert you see that blank burt. You see that s word Burton. Okay, so it's a mean. The goes around I saw a couple of years ago and so now whenever we played Golf Carson and I and I hit a good shot. I always sell I always. Yell at him. You see that blackbird. He doesn't think I'm funny I. I like to make a long Putt or get it up on the green I'll be like you see that length, burt, no response, no reaction all right that. Is it for the dirt on Katie WB back tomorrow today. Show really fast for whatever reason thanks for listening to the show. We'll check out the Minnesota goodbye on the Minnesota Goodbye this morning. What are we talking about in the Messiah? Learning about Johnny's love language. Yes Jenny and the toilet seat up. Is this morning's Minnesota Goodbye, so check it out. It's wherever you get your podcast on Iheartradio. Just just google just search Minnesota. Good Vine, you mobile. Check that out. We'll see you tomorrow. The Dave Ryan in the morning. Show on, Katie WBZ, the twin cities number one hit music station. It's on, Google play. It's on your on anywhere. You can listen to the radio. We're there whether it's on a radio whether it's on Siri whether you got your Bob Dole smart device whatever check us out, just say hey, Alexa or whatever you call it. 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"Hello. Hello. Hello. And welcome to the vote podcast. My name is Andre Leon Talley the host. And today we are kicking off a month of podcast dedicated to the upcoming Matt gala on may second starting today. The vote podcast will be posting weekly. Be sure to check in each Monday. For new episode are going to be talking to the curator of the exhibition Andrew Bolton the director of the upcoming documentarian the met, Andrew Rossi. And of course, more today on thrill today have different Marc Jacobs here in studio. Hi, mark. Hi, Andre are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm very well. Not only is Mark provincial. Guess but in two thousand nine he was one of the co chairs of the gallon last year bought on the house when you arrived on the red carpet with only moments the timeless share chess. Everyone went crazy. How did that happen? Well, share we reached out to share Michael Arianna works in the press department. Mark shakeups knew that I was shoot share fan, and he'd reach touch once before but reached out to her again invited her to the Matt let her know that we wanted to shoot her for the ad campaign. And she was up and up for it and very happy to come to the met and happy to be in the ad campaign. And that's how it was. And actually, it was you. She was happy to see she. I mean, she had that moment with you at the top of the stairs. You know, we had shot her the day before or a few days before in the studio. And she had told me about the last time. She was at the met at all of her stories that she shared with me. Of course. We're how she met MRs Greenland and Andre Leon Talley and all this kind of stuff. So there you go. It's been fabulous because she came to the years ago. She was through. Yes. All the girls going to the address you found. Yes. She was wearing the total prop that, Bob. Macky? One jump through as shadows. And Brian stones nudity. I remember I was at the met when Michelle came down to escalate they were having thing in the bay. She did she say, then you had a gospel moment. Hitting. May be performed in one day. And I said to be on did we have to have a gospel choir. Can you get a gospel choir here? So that's went to church, and I said, okay, let's get a gospel choir. So they gave it donate to the church. They got the whole on us acquire in Richard buses. We bust them down here. We gave him some foods little snacks. Like, what do you? Call it agreement. Yes, you had green. The gospel choir. Was there standing there were trying to reach for Orden share for? It's just jumped into the. She's great. She's so great share is amazing. She did she wants to pioneer. But when you start your dress guests like one year, you came which was for me hit his still I know where you're going with this. Me. It wasn't sparring. I can tell you. It was the most aspiring thing when you showed up when you were in the vote for the little black dress. You were a black lace on classmates or man. Boy girl shopping now the men's department come on. I remember that very well because it was the year of Caporale and mutual product conversation between pro and Scott, Bradley, and because those two women were such unconventional thinkers or one is such an unconventional thinker one was such an unconventional thinker. I thought well we can't have a conventional tuxedo. We have to do something less expected and obvious. So I wore that black lace dress. I had bought the dress ages ago, and that just turned out to be the perfect occasion to wear. Wearing black dresses from every day, you'd think. Evening verse ultimate lace Virgil. Yes. And put it in a show, and you had. Was helping. Yes, that was the only male thing is with the white boxes. Black vox. Yes. So that was a great moment. And you'll be bought Rachel. Find sunny was wearing. Yes. On the top of the head. Yeah. A for. Yeah. For coat with into a hat by Stephen Jones. Yeah. Two. Yes. What makes you look? How do you decide to look we'll have sometimes you just feel inspired. I mean, it's pretty spontaneous. I mean, usually like, I mean, sometimes, you know, you get those cues from Anna like, I remember the year McQueen, she said, I hope you're going to wear a kilt. So I felt like, oh, I felt obliged to where killed after she gave me that little requests. And then the Prodi year was just like I said, it was just what can I do? And how do I feel like, you know, dressing for this evening because of the theme of the evening, but I'm normally I'd just like to wear a tuxedo. I mean when you go with Jessica Lang or share, I think tuxedos the right? What did you wear when you hear you co host Kate moss goal? The man you wear tuxedo again, depending I think on your on your with your black lace dress with Rachel Feinstein. Yes. Because it was funny. Because I remember as we walked up the stairs. I remember very well that night we had so much attention as we the stairs. Rachel said, what do you think the performances tonight? I said, I think we are. I was told me a Bloomberg almost had a cardio. Yeah. He does you Lacey. Throw the boxer. Yeah. He did a his eyebrows raised and his jaw dropped. So. So is it one dream guests? You want to bring to the met gala that whose dream guests that you might wanna bring you to bring this year's Missy Elliott fabulous. Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. I haven't spoken to her recently. No, it's not been it's been a while. I don't know. She's been on my mind lately. She's been on my mind. She has had great new of the video that I love so much which is WTI where they from. And I love it a lot. She did it with ferrall. And it's so she's been on my mind. Where would you what would you put her? Funny loves attracts. Yeah. I I heard that. He, you know, I think I think it's always about making the person you're with feel comfortable. And I mean when we did the dress for share, you know, share looked at what we did for the runway. And what all she wanted was. She wanted a lower neckline version of one of the dresses, and she said and she wanted in a darker color that was made especially for her. So she was very specific. But she, you know, she shows something from the runway, and I think, you know, with Jessica Lang was the same thing when we made her dress. She wanted something comfortable, she's she not a red carpet world, she doesn't like doing those things. So we made our jersey dress because for her it was like something easy and comfortable. So I think you know, when you take women that are not like, you know, that they're not the beyond say's. And they're not those gosh. Whatever you you, you just try to please them and make them feel good about themselves in comfortable, and that's it. So when you went to pick up share, what was she doing when she got her hair and makeup Donald having a hamburger, she was done. She was already done, and we talked like I said we had shot her a couple of days before for the ad campaign. She's told me that she was very uncomfortable in public, which is on stage. She's share. But when she's in a social situation, she's very uncomfortable. And I told her that I actually feel very uncomfortable. When I go to the mat, you know that it's really it's a bit overwhelming. There's just so many people. I know I think everybody does. And so. It is stressful. So when I showed up to her room, I told her I was very nervous. And she said, okay. Well, then I'll hold your hand. And I'll take care of you. And that's what she did. Yeah. Well, we took care of each other. Yeah. So what has been your favorite moment at the back of all the years, you've been going to the well, I mean, I did love the that. I was with Kate and Justin was really fun. I mean that was fun because we were co chairs or whatever and making sure Kate was actually there. That was actually, but I'm that was fun. And and doing the dress working with Kane on the getting that turban and LeMay dress together was good. But fun. Yeah. Because it's like inspired by L Baraka. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Anna wanted it more clubby and young clubby. Right. Everybody were short dresses wonderful. Remember what's doing this year XM machine? She is ex wa mocking. Yes. I don't know what that means translating machine thinking about making a plastic dress. I'm not thinking about anything. In fact, I didn't really even realize that we're that. We're right. It's right around the corner. That's who you bringing this shoe. I don't know. I don't know shortly. I really haven't given a Donna. No, no, no, no. We went with Madonna one year. In fact, that was the year the the year that it was Keeton, Justin. I had Victoria Beckham and Madonna Rachel were at the table. Yeah. Changing lanes. Okay. You had this wonderful show. But I did notice that Anna went to was wearing a fabulous Hillary Clinton t shirts you came. Yes. In your own Hillary Clinton to. Yes. So how is it being, you know, making shirts or the t shirt that I came out in the one that we made for Ana were special custom ones. I mean, I I did beat version from his winter. And I did a sequin one for me that I over died black fit in with the theme of the collection, so Anna, and I have the the two couture versions of the Hillary Rodham Clinton t shirt, but I've made T shirts for Hillary before. Yeah. Do you feel very excited about Hillary potential next president? Yes, I do. I mean, I'd like to see her as president of the United States. What did you feel about the current current climate of primaries? Man and machine a circus MAC, I'm not I'm not really very political. I didn't really pay much attention. Let me ask you a question if you can address this how do you feel about the current climate of the fashion world outside of your world? You know, there's Al Baz kicked out of his company Raeside over pressure. Lisa company. Rumors of heavy spam on grace cards and those into a deal, but she's baby four for big issues ear so there's so much change going on. There seems like fashion always changes. I don't know what's going on. I mean, it seems like the beginning of the year or in the beginning of each year. There's always like some shakeup or people moving around or rumors of this when leaving or that one coming or whatever, and you know, what I just really stick to my own stuff. So I I mean, of course, you hear the rumors you hear the gossip you interpret things, but I try to look at you know, what I've got on my plate. And the next thing I know that we've got a resort collection. We gotta do we have an ad campaign. We have to shoot and just kind of worry about my world, and what I need to do and how I can contribute to my part of fashion. And and what I what I can do. Do you feel very good about not having to go to Paris, all these beautiful Paris? Yes, I'm Paris. It's kind of double edged sword. You know? It's like when you do something for so many years, and you don't have it. You feel good. You know? It's like, I'm sure it's like anybody who's used to going to the shows when they don't they can moan and groan about the shows. How many there are? And the schedule. But when you don't have it you feel it's the absence loss. So I think, you know, I, certainly I'm not working less. I put a lot of energy and effort into what we're doing here. And I'm very happy about that. But when it is Paris fashion week, I get that kind of Monty feeling like I should be doing a show, I should be closing Peres fashionably. So your recent ad campaign at looks like a lot of people from the rainbow. Ultimately, Bo transgendered people. Yes. So it's the bringing to that world is ultimate world lifestyle is bringing on fascist which a lot of people would not do at Cam as I explained in a lot of the captions, Nick. And I wrote a nickname Bolden. I wrote these captions for the ads, and how the visuals were Inara, you know, sort of this visual narrative, and it all started when gay marriage was passed. And that's when I went to. I mean throughout the states. I went to work the next day said we should do red white and blue because I remember reading on Miley Cyrus feed on Instagram like how proud she was to be an American. And I thought what it was like for me to be an American what America meant to me. And of course, America for me is New York City. So I thought about the diversity of the city and the people you know, that I grew up within. So he didn't wanna do like a U N or like, the, you know, Benneton campaigners something, but I thought about the people that inspired me, and the people that inspire me, it isn't gender specific it isn't sexual preference. Pacific. It is an age. You know, I don't care if people are younger or. Older white with Iraq. Or whatever it's like, I don't know color. I don't know age. I don't know gender. I don't know sexual preference. It's like people are inspiring people, and they have names. And that's who they are. They are their name what they do is something else. And it was just it was all very organic. You know, I asked Lana Lana then asked her wife, and, you know, then I reached out to milk milk was is Dan Donnegan who used to work at Marc Jacobs. He has his boyfriend James Whiteside is the Valerie not in a so it's like everything sort of moved in a very fluid fluid way. And it kind of grew you know, like we asked one person, and then they ask their lover or their boyfriend or their friend one. Last little personal note was with the granite looking. Well, you know, originally, it's on you know, what it was a perfect manicure last night. And then one nail chipped and has been polishing. So I stopped biting them. So I mean a two weeks. Go ahead read, then I had purple for a couple of days, but that shipped really quickly, and then I had a blue metallic, which was really nice but last night one ship, and once it ships, then I just sit and pick it all off. So now, it's a crappy manicure, and I'll have to go back to Jin soon and have it all redone, and I think I'm gonna go for green next week. What does it taste like to keep you from fighting doesn't taste? I mean, I don't I don't taste it policy is with the glitter in the nail polish. I find it. So mesmerizing to look at that. I don't I just look at my now, look your. I'm like, ooh, they're pretty. Yeah. Go on my Instagram. You can keep up with my car. Vacation vacation, oh, actually going to Brazil. What am I talking about going to present an award to Kate moss? Amfar beautiful my different Ardia friend Naomi will and Kate will be there, and I'm going through Sao Paulo too. I was supposed to say that. I think they wanted to do a press release about whatever too bad too. Brazil, of course, been to Brazil. Just how real. Yeah. So I'm going to I'm going with Charlie my boyfriend and with Lorenzo who, you know, very well, and we're going on the eighth of April to Rio and then to the fifteenth Sao Paulo. A little bit of vacation. And then a little bit of just enough. Yes, you'll have baton glowing guest fun kissed just the time. Right. Hopefully, you will have a fabulous Medicare. I will for sure have a fabulous manicure, especially if it's hand and right? Well, thank you, Mark. It's a lovely talking to you. Thank you for you on Drake. Thank you. All right. 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Episode 173: Alyssa Edwards, Marc Jacobs & Kim Jones

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Episode 173: Alyssa Edwards, Marc Jacobs & Kim Jones

"So. We are here with miss Alissa Edwards in person. The new show is called dancing Queen. So net flicks premiers premiered October. Fifth. Now listen, you've been on TV for years and years and years. How different is doing your own show at Netflix different from doing drag race which you've done twice? I think twice now there's there's a lot of differences because. This isn't a competition produce reality. This is a docu style series. So it just kind of always meet through my day to day and you know it, sometimes you forget getting shower. You ain't got you. Tell on at there's a camera in the corner. Really you after. I mean after six months? Yes. And for me as a choreographer director over beyond belief, I really my safe-space in life is being there in the studio, and it was great because the cameras really respected that they were over in the corner. And I think at first you kind of, we all want to edit ourselves and some is this a good angle as my right side. Am I looking good? Does this sound good? And then there was this moment like week two that I just said, you know what? I'm going to be me as honestly. That's what's have gotten to this point in my life on apologetically being proud of who I am, what accomplish clever my ass off with this. Souso and did. So when you decided I'm going to be me. Oh, and by the way, if you guys here sounds in the background, we are at dragged con New York recording. This podcast shells with right now, but a lot of going on. So if you hear things it's drag on going on in the background, but so two weeks in you decided I can't edit myself anymore. I have to just be. Are there things in it that you you've seen that you go? My goodness. I wish they would have not used that. No, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't wanna see anything you didn't you haven't have you seen? Haven't seen one thing. I haven't seen one thing actually seen the first eleven minutes what we did here at my panel. Yeah, and a little motion. I was just so proud. This has been a hallmark of my life. You know, this is a journey evolution of myself. I'm watching. Yeah, you know. And I want to know what happens next and I lived in how was there. But like I said, the second week, I just finally said, do you know. Be yourself. Allow yourself to be vulnerable. Allow yourself to be a tough coach. That's what you are still in these children. These kids are the user today in the future of tomorrow and allowed them to fall and and gathered their thoughts and think about it and pick their self backup. Right? You know. So all this is going to be seen. I think this groundbreaking compelling series that is full of passion, my purpose and and so much heart where you couldn't plan it any better. I mean, share has a new album called dancing look at that is yes. Who knew that that would those two would come out together using the same hashtag as share? Yes. Have you been getting a lot of people going? Wait a minute. This isn't the new share album? No, but you know a lot of the same comments and remarks people are like, was this plan? Was this organized? How was this that share is you know, coming out with this dancing Queen, and we got a Lissa Edwards. In this new series? I think sometimes the stars just a line like that. We've been trying to get a series for you for many years. The niff- the first one was it called Elissa secret or no? One of the relief beyond belief? Yes, yes. How different is this concept from the initial concept of beyond belief which we were pitching out for many years? What it's the same thing with you and drag race. I mean here you are an EMMY winner, the show EMMY success and how many years did it take? I think timing is key. And beyond belief was more about just the dance studio beyond belief, and I think dancing Queen is all things. Being all things drag all things dance, the life of some of these children following them in and their journey and hopes of becoming a professional dancer working in industry. I think that this was the right formats, you know, rather. We already got a dance moms. They feed us this pyramid, this charade. Yeah, you know, this one is my every day today life. Like I said, waking up getting out of the shower. What do I do when I'm not talking? What do I do when I'm on tour and running this studio? You know, before I started doing drag, I had a dance school and I started that dance goes a garage, you know, and fifteen years later, I mean, America's got talent top tint studios of the south young at, and I'm sitting here on this full drag regalia if you can picture this, this is I love this, but my heart, my first love and only love is creating in that workspace well, and having you'll evenly seen eleven minutes of it. How different are you when you from the Elissa? We know on television, how you wouldn't know because you haven't seen it yet. Well, you know, I actually asked myself that when I was on drag race, I would ask my friends a best friend, Shelly. Over and forty immi- really liked that. She said every day sun up to sundown. I don't think that there's a difference. I think differences seeing me from Eliza most people know me as a listener Edwards. Yeah, the grant I'm Dave of the south, and then this takes you behind the scenes. You're gonna VIP pass into the life of Justin behind my front door behind the mounting your business. Okay. And an and there there is a difference. There is a difference. You know, this is a character. This is what this is something I look at her all these people and ring more rainbows at hearts and unicorns, and it's so much fun. But underneath all this is an entrepreneur is a man that's had to work extremely hard to get to item today. And I think that dancing Queen October fifth, Netflix original series. You guys, this is triumphant story. Yeah. Now, for those of you listening again, we are at drag con New York taping. This podcast. Looking the whole floor of of drag con where it's a sea of people who are here to meet the queen's. You've got these huge crowds elicit still shock you today that you are still so popular in the the drag race universe. You are still one of the top girls. You know what I gotta tell you are sitting here. The only thing that I really miss out on drag races. I wanted operative for you to hold up that picture of me and ask me, what would you tell them Justin? And it's like the movie, the never ending story yet. You know, when he's reading the book and it starts getting Wendy. I have to remind myself that this is my life and I'm reading this book and I'm seeing it and I would I would tell myself to hold tight, hold tight. You're go through a lot. A lot of swamps a lot of a lot of fog not of value. Let me tell you chapter thirty eight. I look out here all these people. Chapter thirty eight. The clouds will part in the sun will come out and it will be your time to shine. So Baskin the moment I I tell myself all the time these people are asking for my autograph. Yeah, they're coming to take pictures of me and it's not just a drag. Racer universe. Drag race has conquered the world and his spot. All of people all these different types of people and walks of life together. It's completely mainstream, you know, and I'm very grateful that I'm a part of that legacy. Now in the trailer for dancing Queen, your new original Netflix series, which is actually by the time this airs will be on. Available for streaming. There's a clip of a woman who is screaming. I'm assuming she screaming at you about her child. Is that normal. It's as that happen a lot where parents become so passionate about the students. Well, you that something you could ask yourself when you're passionate about something. You have a moment, especially the sign on the studio says beyond belief, dance company, a family of champions. You know, like I've said, many times must sisters and whether started having children at a early age, and I always kind of sitting there at one point, two spot myself. And I said, you know what? You can choose your family, right? And I created the house of Edwards and beyond belief. So it's a family and and they're, you know, every family has those times where it's like, you don't know what I've done. And I think it's very normal because here's the thing. A mother will woman in Texas, and then you say, competition fasting in a first place. DEVE passionate and I actually in a weird way. I enjoy that because I do because it lets me know that you're in it to win it on and not off. She was going off. Okay. With that, I've been, you know, look my, my dad went off on me my whole life, so I'm fine with it, but there's a line and we respect that in an in that at the so you will see more of, you know, an intense situation at an an. I'm totally at peace and ease with situations. As long as a resolution. You know, I remind them every action has a reaction in every reaction has a consequence. So you pay on the, I miss thing and I'm gonna let you get a little bit out the tread lightly up, tread lightly, tread lightly. You like that one pay on the first. You pay your fifteen dollar late after the fear. Well, you got these show now and you travel the world. You do. You do all this stuff. What? What? What's left, what you wanna do? What? What? What's the pinnacle or what's the pinnacle today? 'cause they're, you know, life to live in the moment to live in today. Ma woke up. I was able to breathe the air. You know, I'm gonna seize the moment. I think my book of life is rich. Just now being read out loud and I'm going with it and I'm enjoying it. And I think every opportunity every window every outlet that that I walked to that are run to actually sprinted to. Is a moment that I really just practice the pause, and I take a deep breath and I'm like, this is really your life. This is the fruits of your label, and this is this is what it's about. Yeah, you know, in the end we're in New York right now. Obviously, a drag con New York. Do you like New York? I love the city you come here. I'm so very fascinated growing up his ski. We didn't have all these skyscrapers and all the people and all the traffic and and I come here every time and I never get tired of going to Times Square. I love all the whites. You know, taking photos and. It's just definitely it's overwhelming. But there's some inspired. There's so much inspiration in the air and people on the hustle, and they're moving, they're working and they're making their dreams become reality. So it's definitely inspiring. I leave with a piece of inspiration every time I visit do. Were you born in Muskogee and who it was Muskogee? Is that where you're skeets? Mosquito must skeet Texas. Were you born in north gays? And so do you ever see yourself leaving mosquito? I mean you're you're international star. Do you ever see yourself living in New York or in Los Angeles? I love Los Angeles. I can't deal with the traffic. It works my nerves and you Dr driving in everywhere rule. I can get in my car at eleven pm and go to Taco Bell, ten miles away. It takes me five minutes. You're not eating Taco Bell. I'm not. But if I wanted to, I would. I got rid of those back walls. Turn them into Bank lows years. Just a few. I was let me remind you sweets. Okay. Okay that that's that. That's the glue. Up. In general, you know, everything is right there in Dallas is home. You know, I've moved on up a little bit recently. Just got me a house you do. I did in a nice Gedi Christian community. I have a clicker on on my keychain to get in, and it's so awesome. The neighbors, it's very family oriented. I always drive down on Sunday when I'm headed to the studio and windows down waving everybody in there like, that's that's just in the track wing. Famous, you know, it's. It's truly a dream come. True. Yeah, yeah. And this this series, it's gonna show all of that. Yeah, showing me purchase my first home and, and that's a beautiful story in itself. I'm the only one in my family that owns. Wow, wow. So and this, this, this series also involves my family and, oh. That's a, that's a whole book in itself. I bet I cannot wait to watch the whole series back to back now. He work hard and you've worked hard for many years. G live. Well, are you happy in your life of never been more happy? You know. It's a blurred to manage my blessings because. It can get chaotic at times when you're trying to be a man. That was a lot of hats. And you know, I've seen you in several hats. You're wearing a big old pink hat right now about my hats. I'm a teacher. I'm a business owner McQueen. I'm trying to be. A role model, a brother and on. Cool, and it's a lot. So what what decided to do is it's it's it's a balancing. It's number professional juggler about the way I've taken up cross v. I enjoy doing hot yoga. I recently just started orange theory working out and I now find like that's my moment for me when I can wake up at six o'clock in the morning, jump in that class and I'm exercising for life and I feel good about it. So a never been more happy. You're got rid of the taco bells and all that Pam SR telling myself you eat early. Yeah, you know, you get, you get home, you write in your journal, you know, have moments of of clarity by yourself. Yeah, I'm over the moon happy. We're going to break in a minute, but I wanted to ask you this is an ongoing dialogue for drag. Queens. I want to ask you about a love life. You know, years for years, drag queens. Talked about how hard it is defined men to date. Men don't want today to drag Queen or they don't want to date a fem guy or someone who trays fem. What do you say that at? Are you dating anyone? Why remember the last time you talked about this? We had this same chat and I said to you that my first love and my only love was beyond belief, dance company. 'cause I think I've worked so hard to to get to a point where I felt successful internally, and I'm very proud to say that I found my missing puzzle piece and I didn't know if finding a mate or a lifelong partner or flood, I cutting, no, that was for me because I'm very goal oriented. Now I'm a war course. You know, I don't start on Macapa corn shower. You're a Capricorn. Okay. Yes. And. I. I met my soulmate. You did, and you know, we've been together now little over year. He's also a high school teacher. He teaches modern dance and ballet. And so we're in the same. Ballpark, you know, just different positions and a love that he loves everything about me. He loves a flaws, all which are characteristic traits. He. Actually takes me till place that I need. You know, because when you have that, you start experiencing life in a different way with that place because ecstasy. I mean, that's. Yeah, it's it's something that I, it definitely is a place. I never imagined ever felt that either. Do you take a streetcar named desire to a place, call ecstasy? Will he makes them feel like a teenage dream? Okay. We gotta listen Edwards. The series is called dancing Queen. We'll be right back after this girl what you got cooking, what you got cooking with the blue apron. Do you actually wear a blue apron when you cook your blue apron, a win Nellie. Oh, you were nothing at all? I where no tastes so good. I got that love juice. Who needs money when you got look ju- well, anyway, y'all, we're talking about blue apron. 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You get to see the Elissa that you've fell in love with on drag race, but even more. So this is a Lissa the human Elissa loves her life and her passion and family and family to. Wow. So did they come to you and said they wanted to be in it, or did you go to them and say, you're gonna be in it. I don't think either. I think it just kind of happened, like I said, this is shot docu style. So you know. And you haven't seen it, you have not say that footage any of it. So I'm, I'm very like eager. What if it's something you don't like this has been in the works for years. You guys have really been trying to make this happen. There's no way I couldn't like it. I'm sure there's going to be moments where, oh, maybe I should have well. A lot of life lessons learned, but no regrets, right. I don't live with regrets. I don't. I don't try to look back and go where you could have done this differently. You know, let's find a resolution solution. Let's move forward and what's learn from it. There's no way I can't. Appreciate this because it is like me reading my journal ow. Yeah, and look, this is a shell though not many people can say that. One hundred and ninety countries their day to day will be aired. Yeah. And you know, they're, they're actually there are only one hundred ninety six countries. Your show is in one hundred ninety s some shit look at that from Hollywood. That I wanna ask you. I've always wanted to ask you, people just adore you and I watched people line up and sit out there for hours waiting for you to arrive. Clearly people love you. Why do you think people love you? I mean, why do you think people after so many years? Because I don't know what season you're on, drag race or all-stars, but it's been some time you stayed in the top of the charts in terms of one hundred twenty eight girls. Why do you think people are so intrigued by you? I, like I said earlier him myself and that's unapologetically, you know, for the good, the bad, the right the wrong, the and I think I'm relatable, but you also know your character. You know that that there's a unison when I went on TV. I didn't know myself not. I did not know. I had no idea. In fact, when my company was on America's got talent, they said, can we get you? They kept asking me, and I said, please don't ask me that again. I do not want to be on TV. I want to direct this. Okay. I wanted to wrecked my company, and I want this to be seen in the best light going up with there with that. And. I think after watching me drag race and being able to look in the mirror and love the reflection that as seen, which took a lot of years to do. I've just embraced to. I am. You know, now of all of the Jeff's that you see out there, do you have? What are your? What are your top five favorite Elissa. Edward Gips. What do you love? The one where I'm in the afro and the purple, like you know, shaky shaky dancy get get up. Is that on draggers the other shows the secret secret point and I'm like, you're about to get blocked. I do that to the best of all the time. They try it us a little gift, and I'm sure it's me, I'll Ashton detailed and everything you're about to give blocked bitch. You know, we, the warning signs. I like that one. There's one walking in the Markle Markle runways showing let flip my hero. Yes, love. I love that. One girl today is the day I speak two languages, English and making money. That's my, that's my making money. You know what I'm walking. I just flipped my head. Okay. Cut to yell something funny. You know, sometimes I text myself those. Okay. Now you a little too far. Reminder. This this issue. This is you don't forget this at two pm when you're trying and you wanna go to the house. This issue. Have the girl carry on? Yes. No, I couldn't give you five. I mean, there's so many of so many of them you're, you're born for this age of communications and these formats in, you know, streaming or cable, or Jif, or whatever you were born to do this. You know a my favorite. I love the one where you are, I think l. stars and you're running for president or something in your that is what about kicking in twirl in looking like a fool, just dancing your brains out and that's meet every day. And then there's the, the one, the tongue. There's the same one for you running for president on drag race all stars and you do this tongue pop in there that is fab-. Yes, I've seen you tweet several of my favorites. My friends love that one too. That's that that that's like, okay, it's Saturday night. We're going out. I think I think it's just it's, it's still so surreal to me. I bet I can only imagine what it must be like well route. Coming from one of seven in a family that you know and you know these things, you know these things about this. This was Hollywood was for TV. Yeah, you know, this was all for people that were born into this and families that were financially able to provide, you know, and I didn't. Think that this could be me, and that's how that Ellen. Pump hail replied, responded to your Instagram pose where you posted the trailer. Yeah. And then she said all of this and you know, I grew up watching. Grey's anatomy. Yeah. And. I'm like this. This came before we tell our kids believe this gory. Yeah, the real gray. She's going to watch the series. Yeah. Yeah. Talk about a plot twist trick of fate. Yes. Who talk talk about that? Because who are the celebrities who have come out of the woodwork to say, they're fan of yours that you've met in? This means Saturday? Not. I mean, come on miss Lesley. I mean, she tweets all on the day, Lee miss Jones, and I love when she liked l'avenir rates in tweets, her and my favorite. She's like, y'all can't fuck with this be tried here. This Eliza dot gov. And I love the so much. I watched that video. Thank you Muslim. Thank you and did choose the, did you see that go ask her what's one star? And she said, Elissa Edwards. All the children beyond belief. This is what dreams. If you work hard, you put your best foot forward. Yeah. Okay. You remember that this business, you know, leave your emotions out of as much as you can see things for black and white. Okay. Yeah, this could be you one day. Now when girls and we're going to wrap it up in a second when girls come to you and say, oh, I want in for drag race. What advice to you give them? It's free you. Should you put a wig on you put a wig on. Why not? Right? Turn your camera phone. You got a camera right there in your hand, you know, just be yourself. I know that sounds cliche, but we will look. It's better to be a first-rate version of yourself then a second rate of someone. That's right. That's right. And be authentic. I do remember your addition to this day and it everything that we know of you as elicit Edwards was also in that audition tape that you sent. It was all there and we could not wait to meet you and I'm glad we did while I got my favorite part and all you listeners at home or in your car, wherever you are. I had told rupaul if you can find another core stressor in United States, American can slain the out, give you one hundred thousand and so he hit hold me to. It was a bitch. What had layaway a payment plan of insurance? You know it's worse. Yes, yes, I, I'm glad that you guys gave me opportunities. Yeah, they know what. I was getting myself into walking on the set of season five. And I was like, where's reponded to say Hello to him? I need to take him to like, okay, we'll hold on, you know. And then you came out and you were saying hi to all of us. And we were kind of cutting up a little bit before we kinda got into the gig. And it was just like, I felt like you were Willie Wonka and I had made it to the chocolate factor. I got my golden ticket, you know, golden ticket. The show is called dance. It's on net flicks. It's streaming right now storing the incomparable Elissa Edwards always in forever. Thank you, Elissa. Thank you very much. Paul. Hey, Michelle, I'm I'm needing to hire some people this. I got a fabulous position yet when no, no, no. These are other fabulous positions. And what do you suggest? I do if I want to hire a qualified employees for the, I don't have time we vetting all these people. What am I supposed to do? Well, real. There's one place to go and it's not Ghostbusters. You're gonna call ZipRecruiter. There are job sites that send you tons of the wrong resumes to sort through it, right, not smart. There are job sites that make you wait for the right candidates to apply for your job, not smart, y'all. 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We've got some more special guests here from New York City's drag con where it's just so it's so exciting. So many people are here. We've got Kim Jones and Marc Jacobs who have stopped in you guys were both here yesterday also. Yeah. Now you guys are friends your designer now talk into the microphone. Kim, right? Yes. Frink bring it closer. You can touch it. Caress. It feel the microphone you guys are friends? Yes. How is it? Do our designers usually friends with one another sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, Kim, and I've known each other for a long time. We worked together at, we'd hung years. Yes, of course. Actually was the reason I went to veto them really bring that thing closer. Market's recent. You went to? Yes. The first thing they teach you at on is how to say it correctly. Say, let me hear you say I decide veto yet one. No, you said it. You said veto on. Yeah, but he's got a British accent and I've got an American got on marriage. No. So so Mark your there? I, yeah, kind of mentally, maybe not so much physically? Yes. I hear ya I split as much mental, hey, right on. And then who was there longer you that? The me you live the teen years? Seven. Thirteen years? That's a long that's even unheard of today. 'cause usually designers are places for like two years now? Yeah, seemed like it. What? What do you think? Why do you think the reason is that what? What's the reason for that these days people wouldn't you knew? Do they and we're talking about the owners of these companies will think its also seems like the audience like, you know, I think I always used to love looking forward to the work of a new artist whose work I loved, but it seems like today in the world, people want new artists the just, I mean, they do also want like to see what you'll do next, but I think they also just want new. James new people knew about the consumer. Yeah, I kind of consumer. I dunno, kids, people everybody in grammars. Whoever those people are. Sure. Yeah, yeah. And Kim, you know, we've seen, we've read this in the paper all the time to people here two years there, two years there. What's your feeling about that now we are you now deal doing the men's now. So a seventy is at veto. I wanted to have a change and spike to them just switched over to a different Brownsville. That's your choice? Yeah. Okay. It's like his Ivan, it's important for you as well to like, keep excited by stuff as well, and it psycho, you know, I love. I love each one is branded Smets ING, and I loved everyone I work with, but I wanted to do something different. So I just said, you know, that's why won't to do. See wet owns both those LVMH. Yeah. Okay. So and they allowed you to say I want to switch schools? Yeah, it was like, well, you know, it was like, you know, we what? Well together, and I knew the people at the different brands them they wanted. They understood that the reason that I want to have a change in, you know, excite myself as well. Yeah, yeah, important zen people will you know they believe in what you're doing? Well, yeah. Now, Mark, I love your list collection. I love I love. I love the last winter's bolero hat, and this other one, there's trying to figure out the color. There's a sash of that. This one girl is wearing the has. It's a satiny sash that's around the waist in his flower. That goes at the closest I could get to. The color of that is maybe a dusty lilac Gino the sash I do. You know what that color is can't say. I know exactly which that is right now, but. But leave it to you like really tune into those details and colors and it is. It's everything I need. Okay, it's everything I need and it's so I, it's just so you come in and we'll fit you for one. Well. I want to ask you both this question. You know I can get. I love colors, and I love beauty, and I love love, and I love music and dancing and all those things, and I can get very depressed after I leave a museum or see a beautiful fashion show or art and then go into so in the real world and go, why is everything? So God damn ugly, you know, now I'm only get your your perspective on that because I wonder if that happens to you and what, how do you reconcile that? How do you bring yourself back from that? I'm gonna. I'm gonna start with you, Kim. First of all, do you ever feel that way? Yes, sometimes I guy somebody else I traveled the time to gun see things, inspired him, you know, find beaten of different ways with his nature people anything. You know, you just have to move and have a look around and then you get yourself up again. So you remain in places where there is beauty? Yeah. Do you ride. The subway sometimes. Yeah, it can be not so beautiful down there. Yeah. Do that often. Okay. View on this. About you, Mark. What do you do you have that feeling? Does that? I don't travel nearly as much as I don't know anyone in the world who does, but I get depressed ones yet go into the real world. Well, I always get depressed after the show were something big that have worked on. I, I have a friend Lana, and she always says, it's like a post art depression. Yeah, and or post art done as opposed to postpartum. Yes. And I think you know, I do suffer from depression anyway, but definitely. I mean, I go to very dark place that they could never do this again, and I'm so down about everything. And then something like switch goes off and changes, and then I'm like back in it again, sort of everything looks beautiful, and it seems like a wonderful thing to be able to do. Have you spoken with many artists who who have that same sort of ritual of of high high highs lows? G talked a lot yet. Not that I do. Yeah. People outside of fashion in different creative professions. And so I know it's not unique to me in any way, shape or form. I know like people I know who are riders musicians of artists. They that I've spoken to. They, they very often feel like I guess that post-partum young, like having created something and then it's done, you know, what's the consensus among the people you speak with about what is I have my own views on on how that how you manage that? What have you learned? What have you learned in terms of managing that or making that work for you? I don't. You know. I don't know if I do manage it, it just it feels like this too will pass, and you have to kind of believe that 'cause it always feels like it's the end of the world while you're going through and it does pass it does past Kim do does that ever again, I, I get lies in highs in that. We know we're not do a show. I just somewhere to guy say the I mean a different place, and I'm seeing something units over lifts. You up quicker. Is. Is just not being creative. I get ready to down by just need to see something you to get myself going again. It's as possible spoil. Yeah, I think is the unit of reflex. Yeah. Now, for the people who are listening at home or in your car, what the knows you hear in the background is literally it's drag con going on in the background. Drag con is on this right here is filming us right here. It's it's drag on its live, and people are overlooking the whole floor where there are thousands of people dressed in wild glittery outfits, young people, older people. It is just the best experience. Now, Kim Jones is here and Marc Jacobs is here, are you getting inspiration from drag con? I just find it really refreshing to see the diversity hair and all the people that have come here for me. That's exciting to see time time here. Yeah. I didn't know what to expect when it's like we're back on day two and Mark are we gonna do jot down notes when you go to places like this to go? Ooh, I think I wanna do. I think it's just the notebook in my head and you know, the memory chip is still got space in it. And when I see people expressing themselves through closed through makeup through hair, you know, like all of this that's visual. You know, that's what I take note of. It's the thing that sort of stands out from me more than anything. So even notebook in your head, I've got one in my, but yeah, no book. I have done that one to gets up there somewhere except somewhere. Yes, yes. The law steerings. Sure. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Now, okay. Now I wanna talk about fashion just a little bit. I, I love love love things colors. Now, Mark is wearing a day glo orange, Kim, Kim. I'm sorry wearing dayglo orange pullover putty that has. Wyoming across. Did you design that yourself knows she from Tremaine us you ever see over the trim? Enter main is with the con- Yates Conyers design group? Yeah, he's with. He's nodding, yes. I love that orange, my husband, my favorite colors that dig low orange. My husband has a ranch in Wyoming. That's right because Khania recorded that album in Wyoming and blah, blah, blah. It's all coming together. Oh, you know what? I didn't get to talk about my experience with those high high highs and lows. And for the people out there, listening might want some advice on that. You know what I do is I maintain take two steps back and lots out, call it. My hit my proverbial Google earth button, which allows me to go who cover the earth and go, oh right. I'm in that human body that's very sensitive and very influenced by things. And it gives me some perspective to go ru. There's like what you said, this will pass. It's just a feeling. Don't take any of it too seriously that allow that gives me a little bit of wiggle room where it's not so dire. And you know, I used to self medicate to try to balance that can't do that. That trick doesn't work anymore. So the closest I've come to it, dear listener is is, is that proverbial can't say that word. Usually Michelle is here to correct. Google earth button. You follow what I'm saying? Sure. Say a man you now, Kim, you grew up in Africa. Yeah. Where in Africa, in Kenya, Tanzania will ever why my dad was a hydrologist wait, say that against lower my dad was a hydrogen Logist. I don't know what that is. He looked for woods found mortar, what would a and geologists well, and it was an amazing bringing suicide. Many different amazing coaches, weld Loy places. Something that I would never, you know, I'm very fortunate of had, yes. And did you have brothers and sisters? Yeah. Yeah. And we're are. They are tick. Do they have that worldview also? Yeah, we, I mean, we will very fortunate, you know, to see that and it's like, that's probably why still travel so much. 'cause I wouldn't say as much as well as boastful. Yeah, see, everything unites come interested in everything. Everything is inspiring nicely. It's just it becomes poets of unique. Consta- pip? Yeah. Now, do you guys are both the top, the top designers in the world, Mark? And I know you love things and textures and colors. What do you do with all your old stuff? You know, you have closed close, close planes in houses and things. Do with all the old storage closets storage causes or unit? Yeah, for real, you have storage units? I think we do at work. We have some storage unit where I think I put some of my personal stuff in there recently. Yeah, Kim's got an amazing fashion archive. Yeah, you do. What city do you maintain this in? London in London is in it's mainly London based is einon's such Lee, Barry, ritual burn Liebau redesigned close also know that I have about undoing a late under someone's how our night. Suzanne brought him to New York. I knew him very well, and I didn't know he had a line of clothing, but most of his personal things found like three, his friends or through auctions and probably go about forty outfits. Like you know, collect, I'd say, London designers from nineteen seventy-one from let's hit wrote when Vivian Muslim out from the clan started about nineteen ninety-five, Richard Torey, Rachel burn body ma'am. Cody didn't have that much Dimap. I saw casino designers that would probably harder to find just IKEA, you wanted to complete looks, and then she give it to a museum while that's great because it's like because the next generation need see that pack couching the way Claes made, is that sort of thing is or or Fazul justify the? Yeah, yeah. No, that would be great. 'cause I find that, you know, we always think that you know the next generation needs to see this, but I don't know if they feel that way. I know you know what I mean? I hear you. I don't want to complain about it because you know they have their own thing. They've got to do their own thing. But you know, I remember when I had to explain to some young kids to the point two sisters, I thought, oh, this is the end of the world as we know it today. Now we've got an audience of some kids here. Now I'm going to ask that and just not. Do you know who the pointer sisters? You know the point is this is okay. Yeah. Well, a lot of people don't do you know how many years to to get my fiance to watch the women like he's thirty five years old and it was his shrink that finally suggested it that made him actually sit home and watch it. You know what? That's that's the my point. Exactly. And I think it's because the younger generation did not have mentors to actually sit them down and do I actually had mentors older, gay gentleman, who would say, okay, here's Tennessee Williams. Here is Truman Capote. Here's Fellini. You name zen sand. Well, that's that's one. A one that's, you know, the kindergarten kindergarten. Exactly. But yeah, so I, you guys got engaged in a fast food restaurant, Paula, his favorite place, chip homeland. What does he order? What's his favorite meal or their tell you? I don't remember what any of the things are called. I think he gets those soft. What is it called? A burritos, none. I don't know what it's called this baby, but I asked him, you know, I've I've tried for a couple of years to take him to a more romantic place for his birthday, and he's like, now stick which chip hallway? Yes, and he can. His body can stand to eat it. He can seems to stand everything, but he can. He can he works out all the time? Yeah, he does. Okay. Yeah, I, yeah, I, my body won't allow me to have AAA and still fit into my outfits. I can do it on his birthday. Yeah. Okay. And have you guys set a date? Yeah. Well, we're going to do it between the fourth and the ninth of April because that's. It's my birthday and his. So we thought we'll just keep it somewhere in between the two so that we just have that week to celebrate all of it at once. I love rather than having all these little celebrations. I love that we're gonna go to break in a minute, but Kim, are you married? No used to be, but it was a. No, no way we still really good friends. I'm gonna see them smart. Okay. So it's like, yeah, we're just, you know, we're still best friends. We grew up. Sure. How long were you together is a year? This nice run. Good run longer than most Broadway shows. Over the. If it were a Broadway show, what would the name of what would your your your show become relationship? Is I? It was always does company. It was very steady act. No, go. It was very, very so nice civilized in normal. Nice. Yes. So it's a no coward. Over the? Yes, we've got Kim Jones and Marc Jacobs here. I hope you guys can stay for another break, Kenya, Kenya, all yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right merchandise. That's right. 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Do you fill the pressure of what the house is? You feel the need to carry on a certain dialogue or a certain silhouette or style that the house is known for into your work when you when you get in there? I like to the codes of the house somewhat with those for me, that's the most exciting thing. And it's such an amazing. Skydive is just, you know, there's so much to look up. Yeah. And you know a deal was like a gallery before he was a gallery, you know what? Many of the leading autism his time. And then you know, you'll say, became a career that so much to look after see of his life as well as just the cards to getting spot by to respect what the house means. And you know, I work for the house. That's how I it. Yeah. And and how long have you been at Dior any six months. Six months. And your first collection was just the other day? Yeah. And when you look back, it's just the other day, do you feel like you hit the Mark that you wanted to hit? I think so. I mean, it was very fast. I had two months to do this. I, you know, it was like, I'm very proud of it, and I was very happy with people seem to like it. So you know, I just, you know, you get into feeling of right. This is what I want the house to look like him people with receptive to so. You know, that made me feel happy about and you're doing Mentz. Yeah, the men's because the other, the Italian guy does the woman the talian. Oh, they all ch- changes. I can't keep up. I can't keep up with who's doing what? Who's doing who, who's zoom in. Can you? Can you keep up with sometimes preferred? Not to. Yeah. Yes, it's a choice, but when I choose to, I can. Now when you were at a Vitton, you really shook things up with you really went punk rock with that thing. It was very different. My my experience because there had never been anything in terms of ready to wear fashion accessories when I got there and you know, I went through a lot of trials and tribulations to try to figure out what would fashion look like at Louis Vitton you know, since all they were known for at that point was luggage, you know, and so is the little. It was a little challenging for me in the beginning. And then when I sort of found that the best way for me to approach it was to celebrate what we know of we Thanh and bring in other artists to collaborate with. That's when things started to really come together. And of course, I worked with Stephen sprouse to customer a commie Lahser Rennes. Yeah, you know. And so that that felt very European in sense. And also it felt like a way to be visitor at we ton and celebrate their monogram, etcetera. Oh, my goodness. I. Just I, I wonder, I go this collector's items. Now all of those things that you did there, all those crazy. I mean, you really, you really just deconstructed it and then put it back together again and made it so fresh. And so do you miss doing that? Yeah, I do. I mean, I miss being in Paris during the Paris fashion week. I mean, I don't think I would ever say that while I was there doing it, but of course not having it left a hole, you know. And so I was used to kind of like flying off to Paris the day after our show in New York and being exhausted, and then you know, rising to the next occasion and and I do kind of miss it and I missed my life in Paris. Yeah. Even though Kim number talking on the way up here, like Paris is really not the most positive of fuzzy warm experience when you live there. Yeah, but I do miss it sometime. Well, you know, it's interesting. You say that too, because as the world is moving on, we were seeing a lot of division and. And as an artist, I wonder how bad affects your world. I wonder how much that is. Seeps into what you're doing. You know, Mark, your latest collection is very beautiful and it's plush and it's these past this pestel palette. That is softer. It's not as actually in the one before that had a harder edge with with sort of shiny hard things. Is it a indoor delays collection is in direct response to what's happening in the world today? Well, in the sense that it isn't. That makes complete sense. Okay. So let me explain just briefly, okay. I mean, we looked at full and I didn't really set out to do something aggressive or something soft or whatever. But I did want spring to be a kind of prettier version of the full. And I do wonder sometimes sometimes I feel fashion should be a reflection of what life is and what's going on in the world. And other times I think it should be an escape from it. And I think I'm in that place right now where it's like, you know, runways of place in all of our hearts and runway is like a life we create for ourselves. You know, it's like our movie that we start. And so it doesn't necessarily have to reflect the politics of sations of the world and it's kind of a break from it. Yeah, you know, it's a fantasy place. Yeah, I love that. I love that. What do you say to that? I'm going to to come to the latest collection. I just let the size of the house where for the first one, and then we're doing the next one in November and taika which. Riddick searching because I love Japan. It's one of my favorite places. Christian door had a really positive relationship with it. And Zeno for me is the fund, saved the Rome, win them what becomes desirable reality close, make people feel good about themselves and that's a really positive thing. Dot c, know someone guys out and they wouldn't say they want to buy that thing because they love it and it makes them feel good about wearing wearing it. It makes them feel comfortable, confident makes them feel happy. Great thing. Now, many realize that recently. Yeah. Well, you know what I mean? And the runway show to correct me if I'm wrong runway show is overall an overview of what you're feeling because at the bottom line is people are buying shoes belts sunglasses, ima. Right. Is that what really feeds the is that the money maker is the show just an overall overview so that you can sell those items but deals ready to a house of that. She settled the clothes move and the other things which media's of designers and exciting thing. You know veto was about bags and leather goods, which I love doings while I like designing everything for me, everything is becomes the ho- yeah, you know, is, is the challenge of thinking, you know, what will cut it to the monogram would beef the season or like in how you get people excited to want to have the desire ability of that and. Is just everything you know, every single details important. Yeah, Mark, you've done a really great job at creating a world. The Marc Jacobs woman, and I, she's very specific and she is a collective and she's urban, and she is. She's playful. She's like, daisy, like your fragrance, but there's also a more sophisticated version of you find that you have to track that that that woman that you that you imagined and create. You have to track her as she as she evolves, or do you have to or is it you're bringing new people into that same those parameters do follow that? Yeah, I do follow it. But I, I think if I had to describe my woman should be schizophrenic. Oh, I love hard and you know, civil and for an Freddie buddy under the age of fifty. That was. A movie woman with many. Exactly. But. No. I mean, you know days he was a reference to daisy, Buchanan, cats. Yes. And then my dog named after days, if you can in the great Gatsby and those for anybody under fifty was, yeah. Gerald. So. But I think you know each season like, I don't know. Sometimes I just feel like it's, I mean, most people people, I know men, women any person. I know like they have different moods. They have different feelings and I don't shop from one place. I wanna be something one moment. One thing. Another moment I want to express this fantasy or that part of my brain from time to time and you and that's not I'm interested in things outside of fashion, like art music theater. And I think that when I think of people that I know who are into fashion, it's just a part of their life. It's part of the art of living and they get to enjoy all aspects in parts of I wanna ask you guys about music right now because you guys are sweet sensitive souls who love beautiful things, and listen, and I'm gonna ask you what you're what you're what you like to listen to your now, but I need you to know that this will not go. On your gravestone. We are not going to bring this tattoo this on your ass. This could be as frivolous as you know, but what you know, the plastics or the beef that you choose to what classical, whatever, but I wanna know what was the first thing you played this morning when you woke up Kim Jones? I haven't listened to anything today. What is wrong with you? I'm sorry, I go up quite light of I was listening to. The b. c. with loss was Sugarcubes. Other sugar q. with Bjork was how many albums they do. They go. Listen to hit, which I love because I because they they, they had a short shelf live. I mean, they were only together for a hot minute before she went on her own thing. Yep. I wonder, does anybody in the room know how many albums they did probably about two or three. I think just about two or three? Yeah. Was that. Just a couple. Yeah. And and Mark, I woke up as more. I had to hear one of us by share. Have you heard the new album? I have your Abba fan on the share fan? Yes. Well, what does shoe great tasted tastes crates gather. Oh my God, I had. So what did you listen to this morning? I woke up probably earlier than Kim, but I have not listened to anything, but what I can't get out of my head when we were here yesterday afternoon, Moana came on on a and I still have it in my head and it's one of my favorite songs so. And it's one of my favorite wanna one of the movie on by Walt Disney? Oh yeah. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Came on here yesterday afternoon and I was like, oh my God. It just goes through me every time I hear it. It's so yeah. So I, I haven't been able to get out of my head l. my goodness. That's great. Now. Yet a three albums for the sugar cubes producers telling us that the Sugarcubes did three albums. Thank you for that, Alex. And so now you dress share for the Mets. Ball met ya of couple of years ago. Had you met her before? Yeah, very briefly back in my days of working at Shari. I was a kid and she came in David almond. She was with Greg, Greg? Yes, yes. She came into Shari and I met her there. Yeah, once and for a hot minute. And then I think better somewhere else, but I got to spend a little bit more time with her. You know, when we shot her for the ad campaign and then we went to the met, and that was an amazing experience. And what was your? What was your this time round for the met and the ad campaign? What was your takeaway about? What was the first thing that struck you about her? Well, she she's incredibly outspoken about her politics, which I felt was aside of that I never knew, I mean, heard a little bit, but never really knew, and she was also very caring. And you know, I was super nervous about escorting her to the really's like take my hand, I will. We'll stay. Gather and we'll be fine. 'cause she actually said to me that as you know, in life, she was very uncomfortable and when she's on stage and doing share, she. So I got that. But she actually was the one who like here grab my hand. We'll get through the soi. That was that was really special. Well. Now, Kim had who's who's made you Starshine? Did you ever meet David Boeing? Yes, he was. The personal couldn't speak when I met him. Yeah, I signed up see. Like, you know, he was obscene lovely team in CPAs. We we both talked about Jomon paintings because I collected them. He cut to them and he was just like, really, you know, are you just couldn't absolutely believe as in the room with him new house with Jerry Stafford. So that made it much more comfortable and and it was just like, really, you know, it was just an upset joy to meet him and his just the loveliest person. I mean, it was just couldn't talk about how now I did the same thing. I met him a once and at a dinner party and he came into the live. I saw him walk in the door and I immediately darted to the library because I thought got to collect myself. Got Claes. Well, two minutes later he came into the library because I guess. When I was in there, I don't know, but I shook out very calm. Cool and collected. Great, great to meet you. Thank you. Lovely. All wonderful. Thank you very much. Lovely, lovely. I then excuse myself to go downstairs to the street and cried and screamed and cried and screams more so much that I didn't go back to the party. I walked home. This is if on sixty first street, Denise Richards, old place, which is now owned by David Geffen and I've walked my house is down in the west village. I walked all screaming and crying the whole time thinking, oh. The first time I met share which is to pier fifty nine in about twenty something years ago. She was doing a photo session with David Lachapelle I walked in and I knew she was beautiful, but in person there's something else something more beautiful than the what the camera can capture and you're struck, but and you think, oh, I know what this twenty eight year old dude saw sunny saw in a sixteen year old where you go, oh, I get it. He saw that magic magic. So I'm gonna let you guys go. But do me a favor. Listen to shares new album, dancing, painful. You've got. Conesa you got song one of us, which is an ABA classic. She tears that she it up. Hairs that she hit up GM shares that she shares. Favorite share song? Oh, my God. Do I have one favors threes that's like Sophie's choice? Yes. Yeah, tubby I love Savo Paul, your tears, you know that is that is probably by number one. Good. You kids in the back, you know that song save up all your tears. It modulate over. It gets higher and higher. That's the one in the shower where I think I can sing on the one in the shower where it might sound just like her. Everybody loves it. You know, I've told this story, many times I want to open up a karaoke bar that is in call it Sharyo key where all the songs are sung in the style of share. Can you imagine that? Can you imagine every song sung in the style of share you're really now, do you have you met share, Kim joy, heaven enough to? I will next year. That's my plan. You have a favorite Kim favorite chair is I know the so many. Gypsys tramps. That's great. Well, you kids have been so lovely to join us here on our podcast, live in New York City at the drag con convention. It's fabulous. You guys thank you so much, Andro, joy yourself, go and shop and meet weans and squeeze them and touch them and shower them with all of your millions and millions of dollars. I think that was the end of our show. This is a whole hour, wasn't it? Okay, Michelle, we back with this momentarily. So tell then Mark and Kim. Bye. Can I. You can't love yourself and the hair. You're going to love somebody else. Can I get a name and don't forget to cry on IT. Love yourself on the hill. You're going to love somebody.

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F35 Mini-Ep 29: Let's Talk About Sex, Baby (And Eye Makeup)

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21:25 min | 2 years ago

F35 Mini-Ep 29: Let's Talk About Sex, Baby (And Eye Makeup)

"Hello and welcome to forever. Thirty five a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I am Kate Spencer. I'm dorey chiffre here and we are not experts, but we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums. That is true. Yeah. And this isn't any episode. Hello and welcome dorey. Yes, I'm going to play a listener voicemail. They call with red eyeliner recommendations. Great love our recommendations. She gets cut off. Okay, netted and it also gets a little sweetie in the middle. Okay. But it's real cute. Also, there's a good. I Linda reckon there for tight lining, friends. Are you ready? Hit me. Hey, ladies. My name is commission and I'm calling from Chicago are things I, I love the podcast and I have definitely recommended it to a friend or choose that would be interested. Second of all you guys over job much start about I'm calling because AFL suggestion of putting your number in my phone was in yet, and I heard on the mini episode now which one I just don't know. But the one of the young lady was asking about and I liked her. So I just wanted to give her my like a mundane if that was at all helpful. I love drugstore option, but I haven't found a drugstore. I've either that literally does not move and my type. I do enjoy tight lining when I am wearing face of makeup, and so it is a particular island your waterline. I have a tricky waterline car for me to find one that stays all day. When I have found that the Marc Jacobs high liner. Now they come in a few different varieties, the met version, there's a glitter version and there's they some others sparkly version. I'm not entirely sure, but the met jail highlighter by Mark. Jake, if items before they are pricey, the listener mention that she doesn't my pain. And that's where we end. Okay. But Amar's Jacobs, I've heard. I've heard other people recommend Marc Jacobs eyeliner. I've never used any Marc Jacobs makeup products. Have you know I might have to try it out? Yeah. I also just want to say thank you for putting your number or number in your phone call us back to continue the message. Yeah. Yeah. And Commission's not the only person who called and said, they took your advice and put our voicemail number into their phones. The only way to go, really, I'm going to do it. Yeah. Call us voice. So we also heard from an optometrist thought this was interested. He wanna take it away. Yes. Optometrist. Here I just listened to the eyeliner many, and I felt compelled to write in tight lining, usually does include using eyeliner right over your upper end or lower waterline, not just between the lashes. The reason why it's so hard to find a formula that stays on your waterline is because your eyes don't want it. There. Oh, we have tiny glands in our upper and lower eyelids that secrete moisturizing oils onto the surface of the eye. When we blink the Poor's for those glands are right on the waterline with Occlusive eyeliner there is can't easily lubricate themselves and work hard to clear the debris putting eyeliner on your lash line is fine, but please stay away from the waterline. He has my island recommendations for sensitive is our zuzu Lux pencils or liquid liner and for mascara lily, low low. And she also said, shut out to my best friend Britta. Fellow lover Feber thirty five. Hello Britta. Hello Britta on. Thank you Thomas for writing in. Have you have you heard of zuzu luxury Lolo not at all either. I'm excited to Google them. Yes, same and you know that that is a good point about the waterline. It's a fair point taken from a professional. I personally, I, I mean, I don't usually use island. On my waterline, I will occasionally do it. Like if I'm going to an adventure Dusek makes your eyes pie. Maybe it's an okay, occasional thing, yes. But yeah, I, I hear what she's saying. I will not do it every day. I appreciate it. In that perspective, same now we're gonna take a short break. Today's episode is brought to you by fabric. So as you may have heard on this podcast, I hate Spencer amount of mission to get jacked or ripped, which means I really need stylish. Jim wear, especially something that's affordable and high-quality, which is surprisingly not that easy to find. So we are super excited to partner with fabrics, a fashion focused active where brand founded by Kate Hudson. That makes cool high-quality active. Where acceptable to everyone because of its exceptional price point fabrics carries Jim wear suitable for any type of workout fabrics is your one stop shop for a Ford -able. Jim wear and all of their designs are created in house and trust me. 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Well, Daury we're back. We are back. I've got a couple of emails to share with you granny listeners. Okay. Here's the first one. My past few months have been a whirlwind left. My job at may got married late, may moved across the country, started a new job and the past month or two, I found myself less interested in sex. That's never been an issue in my relationship, but lately it's been incredibly challenging for me to get in the mood. It's not that I'm not attracted to my husband and having those thoughts feelings towards others, just not interested at all. Even steamy movie. TV scenes aren't peaking. My curiosity, my husband is very respectful of me when I signified that I'm not interested, but I haven't been able to actually tell him. I've been feeling this way he is very sensitive and would be very concerned that he's done something wrong. So we don't know how to approach the subject today's my birthday and my husband bought me some lingerie. I know he's hoping that it'll be debuted either tonight or within the next week. Do you have any suggestions on how to initiate the conversation and have either of you ever experienced this before? How did you deal with it? I feel silly having this problem as I'm in my mid twenties and feel like this isn't a. Problem. I'm supposed to be having. Happy birthday. Sweet. Was. So first of all, I think this is normal time. I wanna make reassure you that. It is totally normal to feel this way. There's nothing wrong with you and people in their twenties feel it people in their sixties, feel it, and it is something you are allowed to have. I think are like lebeau goes in waves. I've definitely felt on interested sexually specially like after having children. And so I just want first off, I just wanna say like, this is normal. You're totally okay. And in your twenties, you can totally feel this way. Yeah. And I think the next step is to have a really honest conversation with your spouse and and not when you're in bed. Yes, not not. When you're wearing this launch, Rene? Not yes. Like at a time when you're both able to be present, not after a busy workday and not when it feels fraught. Good tip, Dory. Thank you. How do you think the listener should initiate the conversation? Because. They're clearly worried about hurting their husbands feelings. And and I think if he is a good husband which is sounds like he is he, he probably is gonna react. I dunno with openness, but how would you initiate it? I think I would probably. Say something like, I know you've noticed that I haven't been in the mood lately to have sex, and I just, you know, I don't know why and it. It's not that I'm not attracted to you or that has nothing to do with it. It just seems to be something that I'm going through right now, and I just wanted to talk about it. I think that's a good really great way to start. And I also think like thinking about what might like, what, what are your needs? You know what I mean? I think that you may be my guess is that you now feel some pressure like it's nice that your husband bought you a present, but if you like the suggestion, it's like an obligation and I'm going to say something. It's not nice. That feels a little passive aggressive. I'm with you and I don't think gift of lingerie show that make you feel like you are all gated to have sex with your yet harder. Like it'd be one thing if he got in lingerie, when you're in the middle of like a super hot sex life, you don't fuck town USA. Yeah. And like you just been talking about how hot it would be to get dressed up in laundry, but when you haven't been having sex for a couple months, and then your husband gets you on dre and doesn't, but doesn't initiate a conversation about the fact of having sex in that feels passive aggressive to me. I'm with you. I'm with Dory, and I think you shouldn't feel like you got to do it just 'cause he bought. You second things. Yup, I think you should be like, thanks for this lingerie. The signals to me like you're noticing it too. Yeah, maybe that's, you know, maybe that's the way to broach the conversation. I should also add like going to see a counselor together to work on stuff like this is really helpful because these are hard conversations to navigate the feelings of a shouldn't be feeling this way. We just got married rolling our twenties, etcetera, etcetera. Do come up and there can be a lot of shame and guilt around sex, and there's there's no shame in involving counter who can really help you guys communicate with each other affectively. Here's the other thing I would say, I mean, you open your Email by saying the past few months have been whirlwind. I think you're under more stress than you think you are point. And this is kind of a way that your body is like telling you that you're underlies dressy, you might even be a little bit depressed. I don't know. Yeah, just suggesting that like it's a lot you, you started a new job. You got married. You moved across the country. Yeah, as to Boehner those. Yes, no, yourself a little bit of slack and just acknowledged that you're in a period of transition and you know, unfortunately, maybe your sex life has taken a back seat, but I don't think that will forever. Totally agree. And you know what like think about what if anything, like think about what might turn you on, what? What do you need to be sexually fulfilled rather than worrying about the other person in the relationship? Just start examining you. Don't have to tell your husband start examining what what you might need in order to feel in the mood. Like maybe it's not that you need a sexy movie. Maybe it's like you need a good night's sleep or like you need, you know, you know what I mean? Like I think relieving the stress can then help us feel more in the mood or maybe you do need a great vibrator in knows. Yeah, all those things can be true, totally. But anyway, thinking of you. Yeah, keep us posted. Should we listen voicemail, or do you want to read another Email? I have one more Email. Okay, great to cap off, let's do it. And it's kind of a sad one, but it was important to me so I wanted to address it. Just got deer Keeton Dory. A very close and lifelong friend was just diagnosed with terminal cancer after years in remission. She is by nature econ- and competent caregiver of friend and would drop anything to help someone else. She's like a sister to me and is one of my go-to people for thoughtful and considerate, conversation and advice. I don't know what to do with myself. I'm in shock, and I feel so helpless Masais lending be known that I am there for them. How can I support her husband and their three young children through this unimaginable nightmare. I don't wanna be in the way or to make anyone uncomfortable as they can be pretty private family. I was just thinking as you're reading that I was thinking about the episode we did with Nora mcnerney and I'm forgetting the exact phrase she used to talk about like how to be a good friend to someone who's going through a really rough time. But I think her vice essentially boil down to like do the thing and show up. So like if you if you can bring over, don't ask, don't ask what you can do. Just do the thing like just bring over the meal or babysit the kids, or you know what I mean? Like figure out what you can do and do it. Yeah. I would say identify who the point person is, whether it's her husband or another person that's in their circle who may be as kind of in charge of coordinating support for them, and maybe that person is you, I don't know, and then figuring out actionable items that I think there are ways to. Specked their privacy. I know when my mom was dying, my mom was incredibly private and her friends really got that. And they would just leave coolers of food at our door and then just Email or text to say that there was food waiting for us, and you know what, if if we didn't need the food, we could throw it out like it's there's no pressure. It's more helpful to show up the people who you're showing up for like they can handle it if they don't need the thing that you bring. Yeah, but I would say just just do what you can text messages and messages expecting. Nothing in return are really helpful. Just texting her husband texting her and saying, thinking of you, I'm here for you knowing that they might not either physically emotionally able to reply, but I think you have to just go into supporting them expecting nothing. And then my other big suggestion is that you are are totally right to be grieving and be traumatized. It's really traumatic to to watch a friend, go through an illness and to possibly pass away. But. Find your your support system away from this friend husband. So there's this great tool, and I talk about this in my book and I'm not gonna remember who the actual persons who created it, but it's kind of a circular graphic of like, though the ring, the rings. So the person who has the illness is the person in the center of the ring, and they can always go outward for support and then every ring around her. I'm not explaining this right? We'll have to link to it in the show, but every there's a ring in her partner would be the next ring around her, then family members and those people should never go in towards the center of the ring. Looking for support, you've got to go, you can offer the support, but when what you need because you will need support and you should have it, but seek it from other friends. Don't put it on this, your friend, her spouse, their kids, or whoever her closer ring circles are to try to get the support that you need. So few good. Therapist other good friends lean on them. Definitely. But does that make my making? Yeah, sense story. Totally. There's there was an article. I think in the LA times like fifteen years ago that explained the ring concept yet. Well, and we will linked to that. Yeah, on the website and listener. I talk about this in the book that I wrote an if you I'll shoot you an Email reply, but I'll send you a copy of my book if interest you because I have all chapter about this because when my mom was sick, I was like, oh, I know how I'm gonna show up. And then when I had it when I had similar things happen to friends or my own friends got sick, I felt very paralyzed by by fear about what to do and what not to do in wanting to always do the right thing. And I can just say that showing up matters more than always getting it. Right said, don't let your year. Don't let your fear of doing the wrong thing. Stop you from from supporting them because they'll need it and you know what they're going to need it. You know if she does pass away you, it's terminal cancer. I've also I would say, like, you're, you're gonna. They're gonna need you to show up after she's gone and and that's really that can be really hard because we forget once the person passes the in your grief is gonna go on. So making making sure you have a a long term plan for yourself, and then also how you wanna support, I think, is really key. I'm sorry, I'm really hard to. There's no, there's no good way to go through. It sucks. I'm really sorry. On that note. It is sad. It sucks. Yeah, but I do think you know what, like you sound like you're gonna be an incredibly helpful member of their support team, and that is what in years past they'll reflect on with gratitude. I think mean I'm just speaking again for myself, but I have such gratitude for the people who have supported me when I've been going through shit. So you got this. You got the your great friend. Dori. Yes. That brings us to our sad conclusion of the. Well, can I just say one thing? Yeah, speaking of gratitude, I have such gratitude that listeners call and right into us about these things that you would even think to come to us to talk about them is truly like an honor. And I hope you know, we take very, we take it seriously, we do, and we really appreciate that you would trust us with these conversations. Thanks. So keep them coming. Keep them comment yet. All right. We'll talk to you next week. Bye.

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Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

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02:32 min | 5 months ago

Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

"There are a lot of ways to tell this story we stopped at the Ritz to pick up madam was donatella oversaw cheese I showed the blood red. Tuxedo. That Tom tour designed for cheating. When if paltrow war at it was marriage as lodge it was clueless Calvin Klein proud. And product and I'd be like, no Christian Dior. Would walk through the store they only withhold nine, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty years ago but it certainly doesn't feel that way. I am. I'm Marc Jacobs. Isaac Mizrahi I'm Hamish Bowles folks, global editor at large invoke. The nineteen nineties is a podcast about the decade that changed us this explosion of fashion and celebrity. It was not a manufacturer moment like a divine like sort of perfect storm everything coming together and the fashion we just can't let go slip dresses with combat food on the bias when piece of fabric a lot of bold colors a lot of designer purses. Now, I was wearing a pantsuit pearls and jewels for something that we have to do. Every day dressing also is more than just. The clothes we put on our backs, the complexity, the woman, the complexity of life and playing with the different. So what we choose to buy, that's it. All started seven easy pieces. It's expression style and sense of fashion pry it's our and it's real life the East village pump queer seeing it's fantasy on the Concorde and partying with Donatella or Sasha and being to wear anything you want unreality. Sleep if you're in the bash business in the ninety S, the world took ownership of fashion for a long time. The idea of fashion dictatorship in pools about what was right wrong fashioned wolves in general ranch time fat and what we aspire to in the nineties everybody was looking at things going like, wow, look we can do. We still feel the effects of the ninety s in how we live how we communicate the influence of the nineties has never and it is still seen as this decade of immense creativity from vogues editorial team and presented by ANA wind up listen to Imbo the nineteen ninety s every Thursday starting seventeenth. Nissim subscribe on Apple, podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

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02:32 min | 5 months ago

Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

"There are a lot of ways to tell this story we stopped at the Ritz to pick up madam it was donatella oversaw cheese I. showed the blood Red Tuxedo that Tom tour designed for achieve when if paltrow war at it was marriage as lodge, it was clueless Calvin Klein proud. And product and I'd be like, no. Christian. Dior. Would walk through the store. They only withhold nine, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty years ago but it certainly doesn't feel that way I am. I'm Marc Jacobs. Isaac Mizrahi I'm Hamish Bowles folks, global editor at large invoke. The nineteen nineties is a podcast about the decade that changed us this explosion of fashion and celebrity. It was not a manufacturer moment like a divine like sort of perfect storm everything coming together and the fashion we just can't let go slip dresses with combat food on the bias when piece of fabric and there was a lot of bold colors a lot of designer purses. Now, I was wearing a pantsuit pearls and jewels for something that we have to do every day dressing also is more. Than just the clothes we put on our backs, the complexity, the woman, the complexity of life, and playing the different. So what we choose to buy, that's it. All started seven easy pieces. It's expression style and sense of fashion pry it's our and it's real life the East village pump queer seeing it's fantasy on the Concorde and partying with Donatella or Sasha and being to wear anything you want reality. If you're in the bash business in the ninety S, the world took ownership of fashion for a long time. The idea of fashion dictatorship in pools about what was right wrong fashioned wolves in general ranch time fat and what we aspire to in the nineties everybody was looking at things going like, wow, look we can do. We still feel the effects of the ninety s in how we live how we communicate the influence of the nineties has never and it is still seen as this decade of immense creativity from vogues editorial team and presented by ANA wind up listen to Imbo the nineteen ninety s every Thursday starting seventeenth. Nissim subscribe on Apple Podcasts spotify wherever you get your podcasts.

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Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

She Makes Money Moves

02:32 min | 5 months ago

Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

"There are a lot of ways to tell this story. We stopped at the Ritz to pick up madam it was donatella oversaw cheese I showed the blood Red Tuxedo that Tom tour designed for achieve when if paltrow war at it was marriage as lodge it was clueless Calvin Klein proud. And product and I'd be like no Christian Dior. Would walk through the store they only withhold nine, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty years ago but it certainly doesn't feel that way I am. I'm Marc Jacobs. Isaac Mizrahi, I'm Hamish, Bowles folks, global editor at large invoke. The nineteen nineties is a podcast about the decade that changed us this explosion of fashion and celebrity. It was not a manufacturer moment like a divine like sort of perfect storm everything coming together and the fashion we just can't let go slip dresses with combat food on the bias when piece of fabric. Lot of bold colors a lot of designer purses. Now, I was wearing a pantsuit pearls and jewels for something that we have to do. Every day dressing also is more than just the clothes we put on our backs, the complexity, the woman, the complexity of life and playing with the different. So what we choose to buy, that's it. All started seven easy pieces. It's expression style and sense of fashion pry it's our and it's real life the East village pump queer seeing it's fantasy on the Concorde and partying with Donatella or Sasha, and being to wear anything you want unreality you can't sleep if you're in. The Bash Business in the ninety S, the world took ownership of fashion for a long time. The idea of fashion dictatorship in pools about what was right wrong fashioned wolves in general ranch time fat and what we aspire to in the nineties everybody was looking at things going like, wow, look we can do. We still feel the effects of the ninety s in how we live how we communicate the influence of the nineties has never and it is still seen as this decade of immense creativity from vogues editorial team and presented by ANA wind up listen to Imbo the nineteen ninety s every Thursday starting seventeenth. Nissim subscribe on Apple Podcasts spotify wherever you get your podcasts.

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Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

Bon Appetit Foodcast

02:32 min | 5 months ago

Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

"There are a lot of ways to tell this story we stopped at the Ritz to pick up madam it was donatella oversaw cheese I showed the blood Red Tuxedo that Tom tour designed for achieve when if paltrow war at it was marriage as lodge it was clueless. Calvin. Klein proud. And product and I'd be like, no Christian. Dior. Would walk through the store they only withhold nine, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty years ago but it certainly doesn't feel that way I, am. I'm Marc Jacobs. Isaac Mizrahi I'm Hamish Bowles folks global editor at large invoke. The nineteen ninety is a podcast about the decade that changed us this explosion of fashion and celebrity. It was not a manufacturer moment like a divine like sort of perfect storm everything coming together and the fashion we just can't let go slip dresses with combat food on the bias when piece of fabric a lot of bold colors a lot of designer purses. Now, I was wearing a pantsuit pearls and jewels for something that we have to do. Every day dressing also is more than just. The clothes we put on our backs, the complexity, the woman, the complexity of life and playing the different. So what we choose to buy, that's it. All started seven easy pieces. It's expression style and sense of fashion pry it's our and it's real life the East village pump queer seeing it's fantasy on the Concorde and partying with Donatella or Sasha, and being to wear anything you want unreality. Sleep, if you're in the bash business in the ninety S, the world took ownership of fashion for a long time. The idea of fashion dictatorship in pools about what was right wrong fashioned rules in general ranch time fat and what we aspire to in the nineties everybody was looking at things going like, wow, look we can do. We still feel the effects of the ninety s in how we live how we communicate the influence of the nineties has never and it is still seen as this decade of immense creativity from vogues editorial team and presented by ANA wind up listen to Imbo the nineteen ninety s every Thursday starting seventeenth. Nissim subscribe on Apple Podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

Gadget Lab Podcast

02:32 min | 5 months ago

Introducing In Vogue: The 1990s

"There are a lot of ways to tell this story we stopped at the Ritz to pick up madam it was donatella oversaw cheese I showed the blood Red Tuxedo that Tom tour designed for achieve when if paltrow war at it was marriage as lodge it was clueless Calvin Klein proud. And product and I'd be like no Christian Dior. Would walk through the store. They only withhold nine, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty years ago but it certainly doesn't feel that way. I am. I'm Marc Jacobs. Isaac Mizrahi I'm Hamish Bowles folks global editor at large invoke. The nineteen nineties is a podcast about the decade that changed us this explosion of fashion and celebrity. It. Was Not a manufacturer moment like a divine like sort of perfect storm everything coming together and the fashion we just can't let go slip dresses with combat food on the bias when piece of fabric and there was a lot of bold colors a lot of designer purses. Now, I was wearing a pantsuit pearls and jewels for something that we have to do. Every day dressing also is more. Than just the clothes we put on our backs, the complexity, the woman, the complexity of life, and playing the different. So what we choose to buy, that's it. All started seven easy pieces. It's expression style and sense of fashion pry it's our and it's real life the East village pump queer seeing it's fantasy on the Concorde and partying with Donatella or Sasha and being to wear anything you want unreality. Sleep, if you're in the bash business in the ninety S, the world took ownership of fashion for a long time. The idea of fashion dictatorship in pools about what was right wrong fashioned wolves in general ranch time fat and what we aspire to in the nineties everybody was looking at things going like, wow, look we can do. We still feel the effects of the ninety s in how we live how we communicate the influence of the nineties has never and it is still seen as this decade of immense creativity from vogues editorial team and presented by ANA wind up listen to Imbo the nineteen ninety s every Thursday starting seventeenth. Nissim subscribe on the PODCASTS spotify wherever you get your podcasts.

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"Conscious Coupling" with Marc Jacobs and Char Defrancesco

The Endless Honeymoon Podcast

1:10:23 hr | 3 weeks ago

"Conscious Coupling" with Marc Jacobs and Char Defrancesco

"Welcome to the endless honeymoon. Podcast my name is mosha. I'm we're married and we're doing a podcast together. After all these years. I had a i today. Right before our podcast. We were trying to get ready. We're in the woods and my child I got her pee. Drip all over my head. Ochre do want to hear what happened. Moesha's setting up here. I'm my kid has like a little a potty on the second floor a chamber pot pot and the apron but has a top. She went to understand the a frame. The the the bedroom is upstairs. And it's just it's not really a floor so much. As like tightly laid slats of wood right so she she pees the seat down so the peace starts exploding all over and then comes downstairs screaming at me for some reason unlike moshe moshe and he run into the bathroom. And i'm trying to figure out to do and i'm like standing there looking this way looking that way and i'm like oh my god. Why is it like raining. And then it was like her pey was dripping. Down had run from the slats all the way down to scream at me and stood directly underneath the dribble ryan that was dropping onto her head. It was a. I would say great moment but i have used a composting. Toilet and take an outdoor showers. Since some took an indoor shower you took an indoor shower this afternoon. You know what urine therapy is a real thing that people who are don't believe in science do you know about that and they believe that urine. Pp has medicinal properties at some of them. Drink it they put it on their skin. And i'm sure that are toddlers. Urine has even more got that youthful exuberance p to be honest. I love her so much. I didn't really care. But it was a i felt like i am now really apparent. It was definitely a a low moment. Actually but i forgot to say the worst part there was also it. When you turn your head up. Started drinking no. There was a vacuum going and then over that a ten year old singing alicia keys new york. She was screaming it over the value. While i was getting peed on and then i just scream. I just say that to. We're hearing the mendocino woods and three honesty experience of industrial noise. While alicia keys new york plays and you get your in dripped on your forehead from From a story above you is a very new york experience. No but you're missing like a good detail. Which is the keys singing. It is a ten year old. Who's screaming lake off key is it. Sounds like a very new york experience that you had all the way up here in the woods all right well. Speaking of new york our guests today both live in new york a new york legends. Even one might say we are so excited to have them on. I would say towering figure a tower or they're both are towering figure. Actually one is literally towering. I think one of them is about six foot. Six and the other one a towering figure in the world of fashion please. We are so excited to a warm pandemic welcome. You don't really need an introduction. Well as exciting for us. We have marc jacobs and defrancesco francesco on the line. What do you do the interest for everybody so mark. you haven't met moshe so i guess hi mark. How're you doing. Actually you know what i have kind of met you. Although though you may not know. I did punch up on the film. Zoolander lander to one of my greatest roles as well. That was a treat every single person ever especially the scene that you were in was like every person in fashion ever every celebrity cameo ever. I met justin bieber remember. We took a walk through the car. Call a with little. Justin bieber was definitely a lot of people. What was like what it was like. One hundred and two degrees in that like that films that Place in rome where. We did the filming. Yeah oh the the chin- the the legendary film studio. Yeah yeah yeah exactly. I want to go to rome. Were you there. When kiefer sutherland screamed at the entire crew. I feel like everyone was there now. I missed that i missed. He was he was a trip. He had a quarter pounder with cheese flown into him onset center roman orderly into town to go pick him up a quarter pounder with cheese. Well we i. I was hanging out in kate. Moss's trailer and she was calling in a case of wine. And an eight ball of coke and we had trouble getting out of the trailer and actually make the i mean. She ended up on the cutting room floor. But so i also ended up on. The trailer floor can But she she just couldn't get it together by the time it came shit. That's great. Well you know what those now. Now we can net. Now we get to vape and moshe suck on his toothpicks. Look at wait so hold on. Let me just finish this. Char char marks on how you doing. I heard a rumor used to live next to two short. No no forty forty real royalty. Yeah yeah. I always get really stall jake. Every time i listen to you. Like i don't know you guys were talking about petaluma and i was like a class or like the style of polygraph. Anything that's related to like. You know my my time in the bay area. You always from the streets. You're from the streets. That's not from the street. You look like you're from the garage right now. I like this mechanic. Look much luck his superpower powers our cultural appropriation. Yeah well you guys look cool vaping. What most of just got. This is so pathetic. These are like flavored toothpicks. And so now he's like he's got these nicotine toothpicks and now he just got him today and the whole car. That were that were recording and smells like this butterscotch like chemical. I've had my personal like worse. Well you guys are like fashion people like don't you care about the. Does the vape device ever bother you. Don't you like slicker cooler. You shake muddles pretty nice. I mean okay. I mean you know. It doesn't matter. Addiction is addiction. Wait so all right so now. Can we get onto emotions. Look list are listening to our listeners have been roasting me a lot because you know we all got a little woolier during the pandemic know because nobody can go get haircuts and stuff so like yeah. I got like a little little this pigtail and i got a little mustache and i feel like i look kind of like sexy surf woodsmen but other people have other feelings. I can see that. I don't think they can make the woodsmen look in the woods. Oh yeah the key by the way. This cam oh. I saw down here in the tower in mendocino. This man pulled me aside this sixty five year old and it was like come here. Where'd you get back shirt from. And this is like from a company called rogue territory. That's like my favorite like la. Like workman gear type of hipster bullshit. And he's like i wa- that's the komo print that i wore in vietnam like. Oh well this is self no any other comments. What do you guys think is he pulling off the gold chain over his shirt. I'm always into a gold chain over a shirt or your mic down. Would you have a charm or something or is it. Just a chain with a bullet. This this is i'm from. I'm from the streets as well as forty gave me this. This is a little. it's a jewish. Like talisman omotoso you. It's a missoula but it's got a little piece of our wedding glass in so anytime anytime i flirt with. The woman starts to glow white hot on my skin and i'm reminded to go home. The streets up in the woods streets of mendocino. Hey tough yeah moshe. Have you ever considered the ancient medicine of the b. You actually have. We'd like to tell you about the keepers naturals beekeepers. Naturals is on a mission to reinvent your medicine with clean effective product. That actually work. That's why beekeepers naturals created a whole hive of products packed with immune loving essential. So you can feel your best all day every day. They've got great products. Things like the propolis spray which you can take once a day to support your immune system. It delivers natural germ fighting properties and antioxidants. To defend and protect our bodies. It's sustainably sourced and this spray is made with just three simple ingredients. You'll never find refined sugars dies or dirty chemicals in these products. Ever one shot of their be dot. Lx are helps me stay energized on task and focused. It's like taking a cup of coffee. It's actually better than because it doesn't have caffeine only natural ingredients so no crash. No jitters no coffee breath so those are just a couple of the products of beekeepers. Naturals can provide to you and they're so confident that you'll love their products like we do that. They offer a one hundred percent money back guarantee. If for any reason you're unhappy with their products they will refund that money. No questions asked take it. It's like a little shot. It kinda reminds me of like snuff in the victorian age like they would just like have a little. It was probably that was probably just cocaine. Actually smokeless tobacco. Nobody knows a little. Pick me up. It's a healthy. Pick me up. that's what i like about it. Meet your new medicine cabinet with beekeepers. Naturals you can also find beekeepers naturals nationwide and over one thousand stores. Like whole foods and sprouts. So we've worked out an exclusive deal for endless honeymoon podcast listeners. You can put receive fifteen percent off your first order by going to be keepers naturals dot com slash honeymoon. Or you can use the promo code honeymoon at checkout to claim this deal. That's b. k. e. e. p. r. s. and a. t. u. r. a. l. s. dot com slash honeymoon. Hey tash moshe you looking like a whole snack right now. Thanks well actually. I'd like snacks speaking of snacks. He loves nah. I love to snack. I love a snack but of course the problem is once you start. 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Yeah like ask you to because we have so many young people listening to the podcast and you guys always seem like you're on an adventure and having so much fun and like i don't know if you had any tips like anything you've learned anything that's like been good this pandemic that you figured out like because you guys are on like a. You're kind of you just got married and then this pandemic happened. Don't you wish you came to the wedding. No i know. I was just i just i was reading andre leon tallies book and he was saying it was like the best party. He'd been to like a decade and it was reminding him of the old studio fifty four days and then moshe got really mad at me that we didn't come. I don't know why. I don't know why we didn't come. I think baby related. I think yeah. I think you were working like right around then and you had you had a date book or something. Cancel the gig studio fifty four. It was really fun. Yeah it was great. Would you guys do. was it catered bipolar. They offer so explain. If people don't know you guys you guys got he marked propose could so it was my birthday and we go to chapel every year for my birthday. It's what i want is really the streets. Do we got all the time and this year. He was trying to go somewhere nicer for your birthday. I'm like no. I want i want you pull it. It's my birthday is like you sure you don't know what to pull it. And so we want to expel a and then all of a sudden there was a big flash mob. And i was like. Oh my god major. He got me a flash mob for my birthday. This is crazy. And then i turned around it was over. And then there's like all these cameras all over. And then he was on his dini proposed to me. It's a polio. the flash mob and then we've raised stock through a wedding and everything marks like. Well they say they say nothing. Offsets e. coli like love right. Yeah but we. We didn't have to lay in the end for the so mark. Your idea was to do this at like the lobster. Clubbers somewhere amazing. He said right and he said he said you. Poke pay and you know. He likes what he likes. And i figured actually if i had changed it upper insisted he might have become suspicious about what was going on because it. It was like you know annually. Every year on his birthday that we went to chapel. If i'd really pushed it he would have been like kind of something's something's up. I bet the grill was bummed not to have a flash mob. We gave them the wedding instead. Yeah nice dj. The wedding of oh. We had so many different. Dj's we had dj fat. Tony from london. We had tremaine and his wrote from l. a. We'll like a bunch of different deejays. Steve mackey rooms of two different. Dj's all my god we really should have gone just a quiet thousand person wedding. Meanwhile i was. I was probably on a sitcom was canceled. And you know. I could have just said fuck you. I'm going to new york for the weekend. We had little. Kim we supermodels. I mean everybody was the most incredible mash ever since motley. Crue people char can only see mark half of mark's face how can i make it so i can see all this. Sorry i have a question for you guys. You both fashioned types. What is your advice for people who want to look better. What's the what's the baseline how do you. How do you look good. Is it a natasha. Talking like what was your friend liebowitz. I was watching the friendly with. She's so so good but she was like someone asked her. How can someone acquires sense of humor. And she was like the same way. You can acquire height. I loved that. And i was thinking like is it the same with style you know. Obviously fashion is a way to get you there. But what do you guys think. I think it's important to like standard budget like. There's really cool things that every price you know what i mean like so many to fall. You can afford to chuck taylor's like rock. Those chuck taylors know. They're timeless right. I think so. I don't know. I don't know i mean i agree with everything friendly woods ever said however however i won't give advice because like that's just a bad word for me but but in my experience if you if you feel good if you're into it like you're gonna look good like that doesn't mean everybody's going to like how you look. I mean you'll never please everyone unless you're like. What is it the expression you can't please everyone unless you're a can of new tele or bottle of new towel but if you really if you really like i mean i don't give a shit like i do what i want and i look i look and you know some people think it's great and some people think i saw can all that but you know if i feel good about myself and i think everything is cool and That i wouldn't say that's my advice. But that's that's what. I would suggest as feel good first and then all the falls into place. Well that could repay assistance. I think that also you know what you're saying is so true especially in the pandemic. I feel so much better. When i take a shower and actually put on something but i never you know. I am like wearing the same pajamas for four days. Like do you guys like make a concerted effort to not. Just sit around in your boxers. Like the rest of us sweats person everyday anyway. Markle get dressed up to zoom or i get fully dressed fully dressed accessorized every day. I just feel too. I just feel depressed if i sit around and like you know. My sweats or like pajama type. Thing you know. I need to have i mean i need to make my bed every day and i need to get fully dressed otherwise it just feel like i don't know like i'm in an asylum. That's exactly how i feel. So i must need to be needing to get dressed because i do start to feel like i'm like i'm not a depressed person. I'm not depressed. I'm not but i just feel like the sedentary nature of my life. Now i'm just not used to it and it's like doing something to me mentally. Well i think it self care. I mean getting dressed looking good. I think that's it's i mean to me there's no argument itself care and by taking care of yourself i you can show up for others and you can do other things so i know that i give myself the time. I needed the morning shower and trim my beard and you know put put on cologne every day. Even if i'm not leaving the house which these days. I'm rarely leaving the house but i have to get fully dressed and groomed otherwise i just feel like i'm in the loony ben and charlie. You're in a corner with a fleece blanket wrapped around. You know i mean. I like different. That's all i ever really wore like sweatpants sweatshirts and t shirts and stuff. And sometimes i put on all jewelry just to like go into the kitchen or whatever like i don't know he's got a diamond grill on today. I mean you know. It's not like he was in. Look like a scrub it. You know even if you were in boxers he's still dripping and build. It is kind of a trip that the pandemic hit right as as leisurewear became slow slowly became more couture ish and like it was almost like the universe was ready for people to stop going out. Yeah it's true all the major fashion houses and stuff. We're all doing like lounge wear or at leisure or athletes streetwear. Yeah yoga pants or like the most popular thing in the world. I heard that jeans denim is having a bad time right now. Because nobody's wearing jeans anymore. Because everybody's inside really did you. I mean i wouldn't doubt it really did read that. Yeah i believe it but but You know it all comes this pandemic. i think with between the internet and like i don't know everything in fashion and music and art. I think you know it's just accelerated. What was inevitable. I mean people. You know when i when i was growing up in new york city my grandmother i. I wasn't allowed to go out to dinner or to the theater. You know to broadway or whatever without wearing a blazer like we had to get dressed. There is no way you wear sneakers to a nice restaurant or you're going to wear jogging pants nice restaurant and i think you know over the years like it's almost the reverse if you see somebody dressed up at the theater you're like farner. You know what i mean like. It's so so. I think i think this pandemic has just accelerated all the writing. That's been on the wall for years. It's just. I don't know what's going to happen once it's over but they'll never be the same. Elastic waist will rule. I've had his pants on. They don't even look good on me. But like i've just been wearing them now for four days and You know and i'm just kind of like this is as good as it will get us in the woods. Maybe we should start doing that. Maybe we should start taking your example and every morning getting just fully dressed up like we're going out like we're going to go perform my thing is like i. I get dressed up when i'm going to be on stage and then when i'm at home i kind of don't care and i've been at home for a year so now it's like and i bought. I've tried to buy motion like some kashmir shorts things that he could wear on the house that i would still like find attractive. But he'll just where these like nylon nike wrestling. And so it's really stretch. They're like kind of like luminescent. They say like three fianna like dry food. Drive work herb. Otherwise she went to the french pronunciation. Just make fun of you. Like i haven't like if they were designer but they just are so i i just feel like you gotta find that middle ground because it. This might be a while. You're at all these very hot like. Yes thank you ever really little balls to wear them because you got really sweating kashmir shorts. It has to be really cold out with the mo the more she roasts me about my workout shorts a smaller. They get so then. She's maybe hoping. I can transfer them all right. 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Let's take a call first caller. Are you guys ready. Are you cool trying to call. We'll talk to them. We'll be able to see them. Our first caller up is freddie in rosemead california. Ready hold on. Let's connect them is. Hey the low high freddie guys. We're here with marc jacobs and his has been charged different cesco and my husband moshe. We've decided looks good but needs to dress up a little bit more. I've heard i've heard i've heard of you guys fishing. Doing what's going on good. Everything's chill. I just kind of having those arguments with by better half that come with the whole quarantine is just like you get. Stir crazy so. I've bid arguing with him more than lately more than usual lately. It's been about the same thing that i keep kind of insulting him whenever we argue. Or like. that's like my. That's my way of argue is like finding something to like insult and i'm just wondering if you guys have advice on how to express myself without going for something that's like belittling or you know. Really is he doing the instigate. The these insults i mean. No it's like to be fair on. No i don't think either of us is just that like my default like is always to deflect and in seoul and like you know not actually communicate it if that makes sense i mean the fact that you know how your mind works in what you're doing that seems like you're halfway there and can you give us an example of something that you said to him. Something you'd say to one of us. If you're fighting i honestly. I thought about that going into this call. I thought like to ask like insult me. But i just can't be conveyed the other than like most of your basic. Hey wait a minute margaret. Come from tip of your tongue. W thank you and one of the along the lines of like maybe try to get your own style without hugging your weh kind of okay. All right all right. I don't like this game at all. Okay so in my experience in my experience i mean and this is your said than done to say. Take a deep breath. Pause restraint of tongue and pen has saved my ass many many times. I mean the problem. Is i usually just go with it like i. Just you know in the moment. I just let it rip whatever comes to mind and it may really not have anything to do with how angry i am at. The person is directed at so like when you find yourself in a situation or if you find yourself in a situation where you can just sort of take a deep breath before you say anything. And maybe that way you won't bore ham basic. But why is he getting to begin with are you. Are you guys spending too much time together or is it like actually i think the opposite because like kovalyov. You don't get to see each other too much because he lives with roommates. And i lived through mates and it's just the stress of like a potential covert scare. Just doesn't mesh well but that's not like the the main point it's mostly like he says something that i'm like just like the reasoning like a recent example obstacle into context. He invited me into this app. That's like exclusive. And like you have to have an invite to get in and or is it chipotle chat app. Yes it's like. It's like customer service and it's insane clubhouse i've heard about this social media but it's all voice recordings. Is that what it is sad. It's all just like voice. It's like people talking live what we're doing now but like without actual video wherever and it like started as like music industry professionals but she is and i'm not that it's now starting to branch out to just like professionals quote unquote of sars and all that stuff. So he got me on. I was like playing around with a beam. And he said dr harass people on their Like it'll make you look bad because like your profile says that i invited you so then i said something on the lines of like honestly this thing losing its exclusivity and are even know what you're trying to get out of this app like ninety percent of these people aren't real like i just started going and he's like i get it. It was really because he was like Don't like little hustle or like. Don't come for like you know. I had the network in my industry in all this stuff. And i was like. Yeah that makes sense. But at the same time i was annoy get annoyed. I go straight for like okay. You know. try to like attack an insult. And it's like a pattern. That i have my friends and mike. I think it all comes from like cyber league but like in real life. You ever bullied but that as an you've been cyber bullied as an cyber Before like that's just like how my friends and everyone communicates being quote unquote shady. But i guess like when it's like with a partner with my boyfriend it's like it's not so it's like like mark said i. How do i worship probably like brad but that is still like my thought process. He's like well. what can i say to like. Make a seem dog or something. I have a question what do you. What do you do for work. I in between career changes. I used to work. retail fashion. But then i figured that. That wasn't sustainable. No offense with now. Yeah no and also. I'm thinking i have two thoughts. One is exactly what mark said which is like finding some pause. You know but like i. I also really relate to you. Freddie which is like i have patterns of communication that i know are my patterns of communication and i know that this is the place that i always fuck up and i always go and yet i find myself unable to stop myself from doing it and like knowing that pattern and being aware of it like what i do with natasha. Sometimes it's like we have like. I'll say i'll her a code word. Which is meant for like you're doing that thing right now asshole so that i can realize i'm in the pattern so i'm doing the thing that i always do right and that can help because it'll take me out of my reactive my reactive mind and into my like. Oh i'm code. Word is is sign language for asshole grass. That's right but the other thing the reason i was asking what you're doing because you mentioned already what your boyfriend does. And then you also mentioned like Him saying don't knock my hustle and you it's i'm wondering if okay so you've got spat of communication. But why do you feel the need to take him. Down is there may be some feeling of like it inadequacy kind of like. He's the baller guy. He's the one invite you to the app. He's the music industry professional. And you're kind of still looking for what you're going to end up doing. And maybe it's easy for you to go like to to roast him because you're feeling like maybe there's a power imbalance and to me if that was if that's the case if that's true finding a way to get rid of some of that insecurity will probably make the road to you not needing to lash out at him. A lot shorter and a lot easier if that makes sense. Yeah we selling your your therapist for sure. I mean i'm studying right now to like the l sat and pursue law and that's a whole thing so like maybe it has the stress of like me not being there yet and him be like in industry already knowing who he wants to be And it's just so easy for me to be like trying to find some way to make that not that down to my level but yeah that's that's crazy. Yeah be easy on yourself. Try to be easy on him and no one wants to be treated like that right. No one wants to be cyber bullied by trump. i mean. I grew up in that era. You know it's like everything was online gossip girl like watching lake during high school. It was just like the way that like my thought process goes when it goes to arguments. It's like with everyone to mark. Char how do you guys deal with that. Those kind of ingrained patterns of communication. You have a hard time detaching from well we have a therapist who we seem pretty much started dating a colleague therapy the of therapists and she's changed everything i mean it's basically like a translator. You know what i mean and conflicts do arise we you know we rise them with her. We bring them up with her. Do you guys like d. Do you start. Do you not bring something up with each other and be like. I'm going to save it because like motion. Let's pre two wednesday. Let's not discuss this down. At then i'll go on a little earlier. Kind of breezy her. That's fucked up. You're walking your couple's therapist and your your partners already in there. You're like wait a minute. What the fuck here. Since it's been online. I tend to be much more punctual than charlie does so i know like i'm right. Like they're like two fifty eight and she's ready at three and he's not gonna come until three fifteen something like that. I can tell her version of golfing before he comes like speed speed talking to the therapist. But yeah and i've also i've been through. I mean i have. I see my psychiatrist or zoom with my psychiatrist twice a and i. I have a lot of therapy. I've grown up in therapy and it doesn't mean that i don't do the wrong thing. I mean very often like again. I don't have the to know restraint. And so i can catch a little bit sooner to just after i did it. So then i can amend my behavior a lot faster like it's happened with charlie. I've done something that. I just knew the second i said it like that was so not a cool thing to do so then i go to him immediately. Say i'm so sorry for how uncomfortable you know that was. It was my fault. I did it. I realized it. Unfortunately i realized that after i said it you know before. He says something. I have to have to do that. Thing what is it halts. Hungry angry look before. Before i do anything like make a you know a move or say anything i ask myself. Is it him. That's bothering me or my just like hungry angry. Good that reminds me of mark. What you were saying. There's a story that i heard in a twelve step meeting. Once upon a time that they were the guys talking about it was lying. Freddie in this case it was lying but it kinda can be applied to any behavior that you're feeling like you're not fully in control of when you become aware of it and you become conscious of it then you start you start working on it and trying to work through it. Maybe through therapy or maybe just you know doing your own inventory of yourself. His process it was funny. He he said that he first he would just lie and then he started working on it and he would lie and two days later he would go back to the person. Say i lied. Sorry about that and he would keep working on it and he would lie immediately go. That was a lie. I just lied. I'm sorry about that. And then he got to the point. Where would be about to lie and say okay. I'm not gonna lie. I'm going to tell the truth. And that's like the process. Sometimes it takes a long time to decouple yourself from patterns of that of communication especially when they're like your goat your defense ones right. Yeah that was a great story. Yes not mine. Unfortunately i did the same thing. Mark does like where. I'm just like i'd say blame it on my period though a lot of the be but it is it yes just lash out and i can't help it and i i. I'm so annoyed. It's bubbling over and it just comes out and like i just know that i sound like a nag and i just can't stop it. It's like especially when i'm triggered by a mess or something so yes it's it's challenging and actually you're inspiring me to try to work on that you know because i i know exactly what makes me the most mad and when that happens and there's always like a mess involved and i just need to like get a hold of it because that's why i lash out. I mean i think that's what we're kind of all saying is like the difference between being unconsciously acting out and consciously acting out is when you're conscious of while you're acting out you can start to do the work and i also think that figuring out what it is that deep cut figuring out what it is fueling that kind of communication if you deal with. That feels counterintuitive. If i deal with my own feelings of inadequacy i will cease having this a aggressive communication. I just think that like you've got to widgets to work with. I need to stop snapping at my person. The the man. I love and i need to figure out how i don't get that reactive in the first place. I think you'd be on your way. What the underlying like the underlying meaning of it all is all right. Well i think you got your money's worth honey tasha just wanna say it helps sick here that you go through the same thing to always saw my boyfriend. I'm like. I want to be just like her. The way she talks and like carries herself. And i'm like okay. At least i see myself in this situation to with you. I'm very cute. i would like to add. I've tried to have him. Listen to this. Podcast it's like just a here. And he says i just don't like the way talk the both of them and i'm like fucking asshole. Maybe i don't a like what he did. He drew me in with a compliment and then gave me. Yes doing now. You fucking site no. That wasn't my boyfriend. Nelson's words all of you guys mark your alec personnel hero. This isn't saying that you're on the call and both of you. You're amazing so thank you so much for for by good luck ready by by route. I know that was so funny. He will work on that. But just before i go. My boyfriend thinks he both sound like shit. Good can we. That was so good. You guys really helped. That was very. That was very helpful. Well this is where you guys are. Clearly what it's like to be a couple who is engaged in the work of getting better at communicating with each other. We're try it's so hard. I mean this is like such a challenge that the divorce rate after the pandemic crazy mike. You must be crazy which we did get a little bit of a cheat thing because we were separated for eight months during the pandemic four months now hormones when you can get a pandemic separation where we don't know charlie was in la. And i was at the mercer and it was like we thought it was unsafe if he came back and the mercer only allowed three there were three of us living there and they wouldn't allow anybody in so he would have had to be so we just decided that while it was like crazy lockdown pandemic chaos that he would stay in l. a. And i'd stay new york and that's when there's like the curfew and all that stuff alamino's crazy the riots. So we actually. I mean that really crazy you know i. Four months i four months we were apart. So would've i think it helped for sure because it's like even the person you love like even the person you love and you've decided to spend your life with this isn't a normal amount of time spent even with that awesome. No it's it's like. Yeah another thing. France said to that keeps resonating. She was like. I've seen everything and there's never been anything where i'm like there. I've never seen this before. And like she said except this pandemic and it's like this is like so you know it's just such a significant time and i think that like we haven't even begun processing at the fallout hasn't happened so anyway i just think that yes. It's we should be easy on ourselves because this is so hard inner personally. We got back and forth months. And you'll be like we stopped going to therapy. We hate each other fucking full. We're gonna start our couples therapy so we'll see how it goes. It might try to lynchings bones. I talked into it really fair and like everyone does shit wrong. And they'll call you out both of you out for your shit and like i mean it's nice. That feeling is like i dunno. It just feels so great right. Yeah we we. Haven't i mean we've we. We have definitely got a lot out of it. Well i've been using it as leverage to get most because he always said he didn't want to do it so i'd say okay. Well if you wanna if you wanna take the baby on that walk that i don't feel comfortable with that you can do it. But let's go to couples therapy. And then he's like okay. I won't i won't take the baby on the walk so i was kind of using it to get what i wanted but now i feel like you know kind of like what that last call was talking about. I can't really control my behavior anymore. Because i've just feeling like you know very cooped up it's good A for instance is a good know. Good mediator and also somebody. We liked to kind of talk with so it really works. I mean it's not. It's not very typical that we have big conflicts by the time we see her each week but hopefully this is enough training and practice that. Should we have a conflict. We're both in the kind of swing of doing this. Yeah i love it well. Maybe we'll take one more. Call me up for one more all right. let's do. I'm always shocked how young everybody looks reporter. 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'cause she lives in in conway arkansas. So it'll be a whole different experience. Katie in conway hi. Katie hi katie. Hi katie were here with. Marc jacobs charlie francesco. And my beautiful husband moshe casher. How are you guys. Good house conway. Arkansas pretty pretty fields pasture. You know all the boring arkansas things but yeah gotta love the south. You don't actually have. Why not right so katy what's going on with you. How can we help you. So i have a boyfriend of like two and a half years and when we first started dating i was like yeah. I absolutely never wanna use my uterus like if we have kids they're not going to be from me and he's always been really cool with it and then about a month ago we were having this conversation and he was just like joking like Oh ha ha. When you're pregnant. And i was like what. And then he like re revealed to me that he like always has wanted to have a biological child. And so yeah. I don't know what to do. I guess i kind of went like advice. I'm kind of at the point where i feel like. I'm never going to compromise that. Like i'm terrified to be pregnant so your body or you don't have a kid kind. I really don't like kids that much. I mean kids is do you say you're married to this person. No we're not married. Okay because yeah i mean. I think that that's a big decision and kids like they really. If you don't really wanna have one. And i waited till i was in my forties to have one. I just think you shouldn't maybe shouldn't have one. Yeah i don't wanna have one either. So i'm twenty four and also i mean i'm changing my mind but i want to change my mind based on me not on like him influencing that you know sure that's fair also charges to be fair. She's she's twenty four but she's in conway arkansas. That's grandparent's age so it's like a different curve. Everyone i graduated graduated with his eight now. So yeah and have kids already. So what what do you. What do you not like about kids. Think i'm just afraid to be pregnant. I don't want like. I don't want things inside of me like i. I don't even wanna get like an eye. Ut like i. i don't. I don't like side idea of like having a thing living inside of me call. We call buffet. We're parents okay. So some respect. It's called a parasite a parasite. I would rather get like an emotionally damaged. One like google. Docs your face right now. Is i just can't get past the two plants like i. It's like so because it seems like you kind of put them to just it's just it's very cute but it's like and i'm sorry i got distracted but i do think that it seems like you're talking about a few different issues. You know like you. Maybe you would want to be a mother. One day to a foster child you know and you can even think that through an but you have to tell him that you know you're not interest. Just what you've been telling us that's really the only way. And if he's one of these like Conway arkansas guys who wants to have a baby right now. Then he's gonna have to You know a lot of money. Yeah i think. I mean it's not even a problem that will be for. It would be like five years on the road if we wanted to get to have a kid but I think like i'm kind of deciding. Should i like break up with him. Or should i kinda just wait it out and see if he realizes it's not that important to have a kid what do you what do you guys think. Any thoughts for it. I say it's tough up dirt. I mean it's up to you like if you can't talk candidates lined up missouri. No we're in the middle of the pandemic you kidding. No so what kind of communication to the two of you have like out. How are you able to honestly talk about how you feel with him. And is he able to hear you. I mean that's the first step. Yeah we've talked about it a lot and we just kind of both come to the conclusion that was like it's really important for him to have biological children for some reason which i don't really understand and then It's really important for me to like if i ever use my uterus. It's like my decision. You know so that he can still have a biological kid without using your uterus. Why said that. I was like we could totally do a surrogate and he didn't like that idea. I mean what was that mark. i can't have it all his way to people right. Yeah yeah. most. I went went back and forth on that and it was very important to him to have a biological child and barely made it happen. You know i. La frozen and then you know there was one left and it happened to work. But i was really fine with adopting a kid or using someone else's egg. If i had to. And he did have just the male ego honestly could be a male ego thing and i think i think that's right. Do you know any women who are named like. Is there any any. What if i need my baby. Natasha junior guys would think i was like psychotic like you know men just wanna see themselves like produced over and over and yeah and so and when we asked you if you were gay you went like this so i mean it. Sounds like you're kind of just like calling us to likes this sounding board of like maybe you're ready to you. Know move on a little bit with him or what you feel like. You're settling being with him. I i really do love him. Yeah i. I've never felt this way about anyone before. And even the fact that i'm like still considering dating him after this like big conflict is kind of weird for me so Yeah i feel like i do. I think that's why. It's so hard. Because i realized like through this issue i wanna make it work even though like it. I know what you should do. You should be. You should be like really firm with him more firm than you've ever been and just be like listen. I don't know if i'm ever gonna want to carry a child. I don't know and my time line is this and i don't want to talk about it until then and then see how he responds because also you don't want to get in the way of his destiny you know if he's like prepping you with this and it's really making you uncomfortable. You can even say that to like it's just. This is out of my comfort zone zone. I don't wanna do this yet. You know and and just see how he reacts because that might be the answer like if he really surprise you and it's like okay. I understand you're right. I wanna to learn more about you know other options. You can keep him but if not then you know. Maybe you guys will just gradually. You could just go ahead and aboard the relationship. I mean the the thing that you have to do is say. I meant what i said and he might surprise you by saying. I can't be with you like that. Might be the result. It's not just just like mark was saying he can't have every widget his way. You know i get this this and this and also you can't. Unfortunately that's just the way relationships were you might say. The truth is my body is mine. I don't want to have a kid ever. I don't think and at least least now for the foreseeable future in his reaction might say i need to be with somebody. Who's excited about doing that in like. That's the process of discoveries. Like you get to figure out what's important to him. What's important you and you don't you don't i think marks right like you don't compromise. Obviously you don't compromise your own body for somebody else's desires and vice versa. I think that's what happened is less of a fun conversation about like he. I might give you a baby. He he you know. I don't really want that. Ha ha it's like more like no seriously. i meant what i said. It's not ever going to happen. I might not ever happen and then find out what's next as women to it's hard because obviously men too. But i do feel that. I'm always like trying to adapt to like you know. 'cause motion will be you know. Have all these ideas. And i do feel that i'm like i kind of pride myself in being very flexible and open and adoptable and you know i really want to have him be happy and get his way so sometimes i do things that i don't like the family started for you know but i i. It's hard sometimes. You know it's especially when like one person seems like you know they. They have this really firm idea in their head. Do you wanna make them happy. Mark char have you guys ever talked about having kids or is that just a nobody no assists wednesday and therapy or no actually. It came up but like three minutes before our therapy session was about to end. And i was like thank god. The guy really was not in an hour long discussion. But charlie can talk to you about it i. I'm not so excited about the notion. I there's no rush like i there's no i mean if it happens it happens if not if not. There's no i mean we're guys you know what i mean like. We're you know to me like there's plenty of time like there's no rush and you're twenty four katie. You're rush for you either. Yeah exactly. I will hopefully never but maybe never. Maybe maybe this is truly who you are and always will be katie. I had her sorry. I keep doing this. I keep looking often katie. I had one of my very closest friends. His name is eric Four lines or easy rider was his nickname. He was my gym. He was my trainer. Jim and he had an absolute phobia about pregnant women. Like if he sought worker on the street when he had major anxiety panicked like he physically could not deal with the site of a pregnant woman and he got married and is the woman he marriage lovely and she kept saying. I want children some day. One children's from day one children and he kept saying forget it. I'm the wrong guy. The guy in the wrong guy and now he's got a daughter who like in the world revolves around so he got past his fear and his phobia and now he's the happiest father i mean i know like he. He just loves his daughter and he clearly dealt with the fact that his wife was actually pregnant. But i'm not saying that that's that's always the way it is but But i know people who swore that they would never have children and people who swore they would never let their wife be pregnant and only to find out that that you know never is never say never yup. There is a bit of news for for everybody. If you go there. It's possible to hate children and then meet your kid and be like. Oh god there is an exception and it doesn't really change to be honest like both natasha. I despise kids and we still do but we really like. Our kid is really cool. I really like when someone sends me a baby picture. I'm just like i don't care. I don't care about your newborn she. She got on the ukulele yet. I think she really is has talent. Music talent. she's very drawn to it. And it's always wore gis Good luck good luck and you know what. Wait one more question mark. How old was your friend when he had the baby. How old was easy rider. When he settled down into poppie's easy rider was probably young thirties. Young thirties okay. Okay so i think you have a good decade. You got time to think about it. So i'm hearing actually give him more of a chance rather than just like don't you wanted to hear it. I guess you've got that out of it was interesting. That's what you heard not something anyone said. I've been really working on this. I can't but that's that is interesting information. That's what you wanted to hear is given more of a chance. So that's what you want to do. So that's what you should do. Tell them the truth. Honest i kinda thought you were going to tell me to just break up with him. No you can have one more conversation off a bridge. Would you do it so no but i think that you know being being very clear with him because what you just think about one year down the road. Do you want to be pregnant. No that's what he wants. Who knows. I didn't know what i wanted to twenty-five even though he doesn't want to he doesn't want to have a like he doesn't want me to be pregnant until like where thirty. But i think you need to have another conversation with him. That isn't is not fun or funny. It's serious and real is like this is who i am and if the see what happens we don't know if you should give if you should break it off or not. You should just have another conversation. That's i think what we think i can do that. Thanks guys bye bye guys. Were so helpful. That was so great so good at this so much fun. Good so glad to have you to. When do we get to hang out. When do we get to hang out. When are you guys getting vaccinated. What are your thoughts on the vaccination. We're hard core antibac- we're not no. I am forced natasha to be as well. So i'm trying to find a way in. I'm trying to find a hustle gonna check so all the hospitals a lot of the hospitals in california right now. 'cause they're getting sent so many vaccinations and they have twelve hours to administer the vaccination after they like ticket off ice through the confidence of someone who's been vaccinated his roommate. My roommate in la got vaccinated. So i know so if they don't it's not enough nurses sign up to get vaccinated. They just take people off the wait list. Yes so people are doing that. They're doing like Grateful dead ticket lines. Like waiting for new jordan's lines. They just like wait for hours and hours and try to hustle there where we also heard that tells you guys think of this. You can go here for one day. At like dodger stadium at the vaccine place. And then you get vaccinated. But you don't know where you're shifts going to be. You might have to be in the in the throngs of the unvaccinated masses. So we're thinking about doing that too. I've got a house. Matt suit outside. Well that's what i thought. What if you bought one of those thousand dollar those little helmets space helmets and then you went and like showed people were to sit for eight hours. I mean. I know you guys aren't gonna do that. I'm gonna. i'm gonna wait till my doctor says it's time and i'm gonna then go in but i'm not i'm definitely i'm definitely doing it. I just just going to wait till i have an actual appointment. I can't get that thing fast enough. I'm so ready by parents. Got and i'm like that's the biggest in the world. Yeah so hopefully. We'll see you guys in new york. I want to go there the second we can miss new york. That is i for some reason. New york has this kind of like paradigmatic. Like you can't go there. It's calling me more than any other place for some reason because it's so urban and it's not the same. Yeah it's like we're not even in the city it's so so different but but watching fran and her take on how new york has changed and dealing with it or living with the change and how it is. What is i think was really. Did you finish the series by the way you did okay. She didn't talk about being in the pandemic. no but she's still in the city and she won't leave the city. I mean she's he's talk in this series about how new york has changed over the years and it's like you know when she talks about times square in those horrible chairs neighborhood out there. Sorry the horrible chairs outside and then they're not there you know it's just like new york is constantly changing but it's still yeah exactly. We'll get there again soon. I miss broadway. Theaters are dark. Who knows when they'll ever not i mean. Imagine a less appealing thing in the pandemic. Then a broadway show up just like close to a person who's laughing and crying and snoddy and sneak it just like it. Sounds so disturbing or or what about being the people on stage to like ten people. Yeah he's now. Socially distanced spaced out like gigantic broadway production for a crowd of thirty. everything's depressing more. Outdoor living amen. Yeah shakespeare in the park. That's what we'll meet you at shakespeare in the park okay. Well thank you guys so much for doing this. We love you and we can't wait to see you again. You guys and thank you for for thinking my ponytail was okay. Great thank you guys do well. They are very sweet and they clearly love you. We have that in common. That's nice i mean. Also it's like. I just love the idea of people who are actively working on themselves. That's always trying to do. And i think that just being aware of of your behavior is such a great first step and doesn't matter what what realm you're talking about you know totally agree and like there's so many couples and so many people. I wish i'd said this to them or they were on. But there's so many couples so many people in the world that are living you know what they call an unexamined life. You know where it's just like your whole modality in your relationship in your life is just fueled by dysfunction near not even able to like our first caller like you know the the positive things at least guys aware of his communication problem right like there's so many people that are just living in this kind of fuel of like i live like this so i live like this and i never stop and go. Why do i live like this like to me. The difference between the unexamined life in the examined one is like so gigantic that They were very you're right. It was very obvious and telling but the two of them are like engaged in the work of becoming better. And like i want to be with you. And i want to be myself. That's what i was gonna say. Yeah it's conscious living conscious uncoupling. Is that what they call it. Noise conscious coupling a uncouple for me. I would throw myself off of a redwood tree. Oh that's so sweet. So why why. Because i love you.

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