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Marner sets Maple Leafs points streak record in OT loss

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00:38 sec | 1 d ago

Marner sets Maple Leafs points streak record in OT loss

"Alex killorn scored the game winner for Tampa Bay, just 33 seconds into the extra period at the lightning beat the Maple Leafs four to three. But with the teams combining for 15 penalties, 7 in the second period, killorn says it was hard to get into the flow of the game. A lot of guys didn't get a lot of chemistry with their lines just because we hadn't had a lot of 5 on 5 play, but in the third it kind of came alive. I think Toronto's Mitch marner opened the scoring with a short handed goal in the second and tied the game with a power play goal midway through the third with those tallies, marner extended his point streak to 19 games a Maple Leafs record. I'm Ben Thomas.

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Glyn Jones Talks All Things Icebreaker Finance

HASHR8

02:05 min | 6 d ago

Glyn Jones Talks All Things Icebreaker Finance

"We'd start off with icebreaker finance. You guys made some headlines. I think it was two or three months ago now where icebreaker finance worked with maple finance, which is a lender of sorts. I'm going to allow you to explain it to listeners since you're going to be better than that, than I am. Do you guys made some headlines that you were moving to the mi fi sector right when all these mining firms were showing signs of holding distressed assets and interest payments that they were not able to make. So you guys were sort of seeing as maybe the savior coming in the 11th hour that was probably not a fair way of positioning it. But I think that's how a lot of people interpret it at the time. Now we're having you on the show to show you to talk about what you guys are boring against or lending out to people. But I hand it off to you. We'll talk about icebreaker finance maple finance and get a rundown on what those two are and how they interact together. So we earlier this year. And we really launched it with two thoughts in mind. The first is that we are of the view within the team that private credit markets going on chain with complete transparency of where do the capital come from and where is the capital going to on what terms, but with still all of the enforcement that is customary in any kind of commercial land. All of the security perfection, real world assets, collateral, all of that kind of good stuff. We think that's a tremendous opportunity that we're really keen to be a part of. So we're a collection of commercial bankers being in and around the game for a long time. I've spent more than 20 years in the industry, mostly the northern hemisphere. And we formed ice breaker, really, that we want to be part of what we think will be a real sea change in terms of how private credit markets work. And if that's a sort of a macro thesis, then within that question, but where do we want to start the journey? Well, for us, we wanted to start in the Bitcoin mining and digital asset infrastructure provider sector of borrowers that wanted to facilitate movement of capital from lenders to those borrowers and do it all on Jane.

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The latest in sports

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01:59 min | Last week

The latest in sports

"AP sports, I'm Ben Thomas, on a big day in college football and the big game had Ohio State hosting Michigan. Then in cap on how it played out. CFP number three Michigan stuns number two Ohio State 45 23 JJ McCarthy threw for 263 yards and three touchdowns and ran in another to help Michigan outscore Ohio State 28 three in the second half and approved a 12 clinching a spot in the Big Ten championship game. Job's not finished. We got so much more to do. CJ Stroud sauce for 349 yards and two touchdowns, but it was too late interceptions that sealed the buckeyes fate, Ohio State drops to 11 and one. Number one, Georgia overcame a slow start to beat Georgia Tech 37 14 and finish another undefeated regular season one number four TCU crushed Iowa state 62 14. But Michigan's decisive victory over Ohio State does offer some hope for playoff aspirants. Correspondent Mark Myers reports in USC took a giant step closer with a 38 27 win over Notre-Dame. Quarterback Caleb Williams encountered for four touchdowns, one passing in three running for the now 11 in one Trojans. Williams is now considered the leading candidate to capture the Heisman Trophy. But LSU tripped up falling to Texas a and M 38 23 head coach Brian Kelly. We just, for some reason, we're off today. In Clemson lost by a point to South Carolina, Alabama took the iron bowl 49 27 over auburn, coach Nick Saban says, despite two losses, the crimson tide merit playoff consideration. This team didn't give up on themselves. They didn't give up on each other. They kept fighting and won some tough games. Tennessee thrashed Vanderbilt 56 to nothing while Oregon state stunned Oregon 38 34. In the NBA, the raptures Lakers rockets and sons all winners, the NHL, oilers, hurricanes, blues, Maple Leafs, Devils, islanders, avalanche and Canucks at the World Cup Argentina over Mexico, France towns, Denmark, Australia beat Tunisia and Poland topped Saudi Arabia. Ben Thomas AP sports.

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Packed Black Friday sports schedule

AP News Radio

01:59 min | Last week

Packed Black Friday sports schedule

"AP sports I'm Tom Miriam. On Black Friday, the NBA and NHL were as busy as the shopping malls. 14 NBA games and 13 on the ice were played the day after both leagues were off for Thanksgiving. The Celtics added to their league leading record by beating searching Sacramento as Jason Tatum scored 30 with help from the Boston bench. I think when we might have been down for the end of the half of ten, he knows because of those guys came in and just changed the momentum. The bucks kept pace by beating the Cavaliers thanks largely to a 35, ten third quarter in which Bobby port has played a key role. Felt good for us overall as a basketball team, because it felt like we was playing books, basketball, for a chance. Victories also for the Lakers heat suns, warriors, nuggets, grizzly sixers pacers, rockets, thunder hornets, and the trailblazers in overtime over the Knicks. NHL, the bruins became the first team to win its first 12 home games in the season, as they beat the hurricanes three to two in overtime on David pasternak's gold. Big win for us, obviously, and coming from behind, you know, after Thanksgiving, the game is never easy, so it's good with. The devil's after having their 13 game win streak snap bounced back with a three one win in Buffalo. Other winners, the capitals penguins islanders red wings, Maple Leafs Canadians kraken jets, senators kings and lightning, with Braden points scoring too early goals. I think both teams were into it right away. It was nice to get a couple goals for us early. Pretty good jump on the game. I thought it was a fun game. World Cup soccer, the United States finished in a scoreless tie with England as coach Greg berhalter's young team had the better scoring chances. Overall, pleased with the performance of the group, most importantly, the belief of the group, because that never wavered. The U.S. now must be to ran on Tuesday to advance to the knockout round. Plenty of college action on Black Friday, football winners included four ranked teams tulane, Florida state UCLA and Texas, and basketball top ranked North Carolina lost a wire with state. Tom Arian AP sports.

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Devils' 13-game win streak halted in 2-1 loss to Maple Leafs

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00:32 sec | Last week

Devils' 13-game win streak halted in 2-1 loss to Maple Leafs

"The devil's franchise record 13 game winning streak came to an end as the Maple Leafs came in and defeated New Jersey by the final score of two to one. Toronto scoring came in the first as pontius homework got the leafs on the board in three minutes later, John Tavares netted his 12th town of the year. The Devils had their first three goals of the game overturned. The fans and Prudential center upset after the third time through food and drinks on the ice, which caused a cleanup delay. Dougie Hamilton with a lone devil score late in the third, Toronto goalie Matt Murray stopped 32 shots as the leafs have now won two other last three. For the Devils, they face defeat for just the fourth time in 20 games played. Mike Moriarty, norc, New Jersey

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Devils win 11th straight, edging Maple Leafs 3-2 in OT

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00:31 sec | 2 weeks ago

Devils win 11th straight, edging Maple Leafs 3-2 in OT

"The devil's picked up their 11th consecutive win by downing the Maple Leafs three two and overtime at Toronto Sharon govich scored 57 seconds into the extra period giving New Jersey the second point after William nylander tied it for Toronto with two O 9 remaining in regulation Jesper brought and Nico he sure also scored for the Devils who are 14 and three and haven't lost since October 24th VTEC vanecek handled 25 shots and Matt Murray made 30 saves for the leafs Auston Matthews scored the game's first goal on a power play I'm Dave ferry

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McGinn scores as Penguins beat Maple Leafs 4-2

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00:36 sec | 3 weeks ago

McGinn scores as Penguins beat Maple Leafs 4-2

"Rock mcginn broke a two two tie one 34 into the third period before the penguins completed a four to two victory over the maple leaves I think I'm just believing in myself and my game right now I think putting in the work and just trying to get better every single day Afghani malkin had a goal in this is for the pens who are back at 500 after winning their second straight since a 7 game losing streak Jason Zucker scored in the second period and Jake gentle added an empty netter as Pittsburgh improved to three 5 and one on the road Toronto has dropped two straight since a three game winning streak Zach Aston Reese and William nylander scored for the leafs I'm Jane ferry

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Golden Knights beat Maple Leafs 4-3 in OT, win 8th straight

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00:37 sec | 3 weeks ago

Golden Knights beat Maple Leafs 4-3 in OT, win 8th straight

"Rightly Smith scored his second of the game 23 seconds into the extra frame as Vegas took a come from behind four three victory at Scotiabank arena The Toronto native was sent in alone and beat leafs netminder Eric sjogren for the game winner after tying the game in the third shorthanded We got off to a good start We're just trying to keep that going There's different guys that are chipping in every single night so we win by a committee and we're doing that right now Nicholas wa and Jack eichel were the other golden knights marksman The buds got tallies including two from timidly little grin and one from Mitch marner Logan Thompson kicked aside 22 shots for the victory as Vegas has now won 8 straight Jaw let there be Toronto

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Tavares scores in 3rd, Maple Leafs beat Hurricanes 3-1

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00:30 sec | Last month

Tavares scores in 3rd, Maple Leafs beat Hurricanes 3-1

"The maple leaves have their first three game winning streak of the season after a three to one verdict over the hurricanes John Tavares broke a one one deadlock with 1136 remaining Tavares leads Toronto with 8 goals Cal yarn croc and William nylander also scored to help the leaves win for the second time in 7 road games Eric kellgren had 29 saves to get his first victory of the season Carolina had won four in a row Stefan nason scored for the canes and Frederick Anderson turned back 18 shots I'm Jane ferry

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Matthews scores 2, Toronto ends Boston's 7-game win streak

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00:34 sec | Last month

Matthews scores 2, Toronto ends Boston's 7-game win streak

"The ruined 7 game winning streak is over following a two one loss to the Maple Leafs Auston Matthews scored both Toronto goals on assists from Mitch marner Matthews snapped a one one tie with a power play goal with four 51 left in the second period I think just really pleased with the effort throughout the 60 minutes I thought you know playing really good team on the other end you know they're gonna get their chances and get their momentum swings but I thought we did a really good job just sticking with it Ilya samsonov made 13 saves for the Maple Leafs before leaving the game at the end of the second period with a knee injury Brad Marshawn scored on a penalty shot for his 800th NHL point I'm Dave ferry

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The latest in sports

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00:59 min | Last month

The latest in sports

"AP sports I'm Josh rowntree no hit history in the World Series Houston starter Christian Javier combined with three relievers to throw just the second World Series no no As Houston top Philadelphia 5 nothing to even the series at two games apiece Javier struck out 9 over his 6 innings Alex Bregman drove in a pair of runs with a double in the 5th In the NBA a thriller in Cleveland as the Cavaliers top Boston one 14 one 13 and overtime Darius Garland dropped in 29 points with 12 assists in the win In the NHL the Maple Leafs took down the flyers 5 to two in Buffalo the Sabres stormed back from two goals down to beat Pittsburgh 6 three Alex tuck scored his 7th the game winner And in the NFL Washington co owners Dan and Tanya Snyder announced that they have hired Bank of America's securities to explore potential transactions involving the team though a statement from the team did not specify what those transactions might be whether it was a sale of the team or if they were pursuing minority investors I'm Josh rowntree AP sports

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Tavares' 11th career hat trick sends Maple Leafs past Flyers

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00:31 sec | Last month

Tavares' 11th career hat trick sends Maple Leafs past Flyers

"John Tavares had the hat trick to lead Toronto to a 5 two win over Philadelphia at Scotiabank arena The leaps captain Paul and his 5th 6th and 7th of the season behind flyers don't mind your feelings and strength Anytime you have nights like this it's a team effort and so many guys contribute and I'm just getting rewarded on finishing plays off Austin Matthews opened the scoring for Toronto when the first with his fourth of the campaign Zac asked and Reese was the other buds goal scorer Joel farabee and Owen tippett replied for the flyers is ileus absolute made 23 stops in the win John Luther Toronto

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The latest in sports

AP News Radio

01:59 min | Last month

The latest in sports

"AP sports and Mike Reeves the Yankees and escrows played game two of their ALCS Thursday night in Houston Here's correspondent Adams Alex Bregman's third aiding three run Homer held up as the Astros beat the Yankees three to two to take a two zero ALCS lead I think we did a good job the first two games and you just got to keep playing hard and keep competing It's fun playing in the postseason great atmosphere here great atmosphere there And just looking forward to continue to compete Valdez allowed two unearned runs on four hits over 7 innings and he struck out 9 for the Astros without issuing a walk The Thursday night NFL matchup was a high scoring affair in Arizona with the Cardinals downing the saints 42 to 34 in wide receiver Deandre Hopkins returned to the lineup quarterback Kyler Murray connects with Hopkins ten times for a 103 yards He didn't look like he had any roast knocked it off real quick if he had any New Orleans quarterback Andy Dalton throws for 361 yards and four touchdowns along with three interceptions On the hardwood the clippers put 6 players in double figures in a 103 97 win over the Lakers Paul George and John wall led the way for head coach ty Lou's squad This was the gutsy win you know for us they came back and I think took the lead We went up 13 And we just took a big stuck with the game plan and I thought guys stepped up we made some big shots down the stretch but defensively I thought we were really good The other NBA contest He's the bucks down the 76ers 90 to 88 On the ice Eric Carlson that's the overtime winner to give the sharks a three to two win over the rangers It was the first win for San Jose after 5 losses to start the season We tried our best to play to win the game instead of sitting back and kind of waiting and see what's going to happen And I think in the third especially I think we did a good job Other NHL winners are the bruins Canadians Maple Leafs penguins blue jacket senators Devils wild oilers and Sabres and golden knights I'm Mike Reeves AP sports

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Donald Trump Is Grieving

AJ Benza: Fame is a Bitch

01:50 min | 4 months ago

Donald Trump Is Grieving

"I feel badly for Donald Trump today. And I can honestly say I never felt that way. That's the first time in my life. I've ever felt that emotion about. Sadness, even when he lost the presidency, which we all think he won. I wasn't sad for him. I was angry for him. But it's the first time I think I've ever seen him stop and be wounded. It's a very strange thing to see. I know the man and I know and remember all too well what he sounded like. A big bodied billionaire real estate tycoon who helped build my city, perhaps more than anyone ever has or ever will. And he did it all with Ivana at his side. Now I know he must have been sad when divorced came and Marla Maples leaped into his heart and his home. But he didn't show it really. That just wasn't what he was about. He's an old school, hardened guy. The kind who believed crying, weakens a man. That to stop and grieve is to slow down and what do I always say? Lose momentum and Trump is a guy that love is momentum. And I'm not worried about him regaining it back at all. In fact, I think if anything, this kind of thing will propel him forward with the kind of a new result and a fury that we haven't seen. I think Yvonne is death in some profound and mystic way will propel him into the next presidential race with a different type of passion and energy. I think this is his let's win one for the gipper moment building up, if you will.

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Ivana Trump, ex-wife of Donald Trump, dead at 73

AP News Radio

00:37 sec | 5 months ago

Ivana Trump, ex-wife of Donald Trump, dead at 73

"Ivana Trump has died She was the first wife of Donald Trump who announced her passing on social media calling her a wonderful beautiful and amazing woman The Trump family says in a statement Ivana was a caring mother a survivor who fled from communism The trumps were a New York City publicity power couple before an equally public and messy divorce after Donald Trump met his next wife Marla Maples still Ivana Trump said in recent years they were on good terms writing in a 2017 book she and her ex-husband talked about once

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'Thrilled' Blue Jackets sign Gaudreau for $68.2M

AP News Radio

00:33 sec | 5 months ago

'Thrilled' Blue Jackets sign Gaudreau for $68.2M

"And kept two on the first day of NHL free agency The avalanche re signed forward arturi lechon and defenseman Josh Manson but they lost goaltender Darcy Kemper to a 5 year contract with the capitals The abs also said goodbye to Andre burakovsky who signed with the kraken Meanwhile the blue jackets made a big splash by getting former flames forward Johnny gaudreau The hurricanes added veteran blue liner Brent burns and the red wings picked up center Andrew cop left winger Dominic kubala and defenseman Ben sharat the rangers picked up center Vincent trochek and netminder Jack Campbell went for the Maple Leafs to the oilers I'm Dave

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NHL free agency: Rangers get Trochek, Senators land Giroux

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00:32 sec | 5 months ago

NHL free agency: Rangers get Trochek, Senators land Giroux

"The defending Stanley Cup champs lost two players and kept two on the first day of NHL free agency The avalanche re signed forward artillery lechon and defenseman Josh Manson but they lost goaltender Darcy Kemper to a 5 year contract with the capitals The abs also said goodbye to Andre burakovsky who signed with the kraken The hurricanes added veteran blue liner Brent burns and the red wings picked up center Andrew cop left winger Dominic kubala and defenseman Ben sharat the rangers picked up center Vincent trochek and netminder Jack Campbell went for the Maple Leafs to the oilers I'm Dave

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Update on the latest sports

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02:00 min | 5 months ago

Update on the latest sports

"AP sports I'm sherk Freeman Tampa uses the long ball to finally beat the New York Yankees It was a career night for the ray Zach paradis who hit three homers all by the 5th inning and the rays beat the Yankees 5 to four Ray shortstop Taylor wall says the night was owned by parades It just looks like he's in total control you know I made his impressive tonight with special It was very special to watch special night for him and it was huge for us and pretty much just carried us that whole game Just the third loss in the last 20 games for the yanks Tony Godzilla became baseball's first 9 game winner as the LA Dodgers beat Cincinnati ate the two San Francisco held off Atlanta 12 to ten giants catcher Austin winds had a big night three hits including a three run Homer for manager Gabe Kepler Austin has come over and had quality at bats It doesn't always been as pretty as it was tonight you know the Homer and driving the baseball several times Chicago White Sox down Toronto 7 to 6 in extra innings Boston beat Detroit 5 to three two of baseball's best win at it as Houston down the New York mets ate the two Adam splain reports Jose Archie earned his 6th win of the season by allowing just one run on four hits over 6 innings Archie struck out 5 and the only blemish on his line was the 6th inning Homer he allowed to Pete Alonso Adam spelling Houston Nolan Gorman Homer twice as St. Louis beat Milwaukee 6 two Texas blank Philadelphia 7 zero San Diego three Arizona two in extra innings Seattle down Oakland Pittsburgh over the Chicago Cubs Miami Beach Colorado Washington down Baltimore Kansas City over the LA angels and Cleveland over Minnesota Another major champion Brooks Koepka leaving the PGA Tour for Liv golf Rob Gronkowski is retiring from the NFL for a second time leaving the league after 12 seasons Toronto Maple Leafs forward auston Matthews is the NHL's MVP and the attorney for Cleveland Browns quarterback deshaun Watson has reached an agreement on 20 of 24 lawsuits from women accusing Watson of sexual assault and harassment Check Freeman AP sports

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"maple" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

06:07 min | 9 months ago

"maple" Discussed on The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

"If you're not familiar with Carrollton, it is located right in between canton, Ohio, and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, essentially, kind of in between those two places. And Eddie has gone on to that Hall of Fame career after winning 56 years ago today at ascot park with a horse named Swami to get his career off and running. Eddie, could you ever imagine that in 1973 when Ron turcott was serving a suspension that you would get the call to ride the great secretariat in his final career race? Now, at that point, through from 66 to 73, the things happened in my life that I'd never thought could happen. Getting married, ending up in New York, riding The Kentucky Derby in 1971. And then the secretary of thing, I probably didn't even realize that I would ever see a good but until I landed in New York and then I was, you know, I could just see the change in the ability of the horses, the ability of the trainers and the jockeys foremost, but it was just an exciting time as I was very fortunate in my career. To do what I did and anyways, I could thank people from now until doomsday and probably not get everybody thanks. Can you put into words and describe for those of us who have, myself included, who have never ridden in a horse race before, you get a leg up aboard secretariat. It's the 1973 Canadian international at woodbine, his final career start put me there with you. What's it like? What was it like sitting aboard secretariat and then storming through the stretch with him? Well, it was like being bang boom. You know, I got to the jockey's room. I got in to Canada the night before and I spent a little bit of time with Ronnie Turk, his regular rider. And there wasn't much Ronnie could say to me, you know, that I hadn't seen with my own eyes. But I got to the jockey's room early and sat there as the only man I had that day. And I'm not going to say I spent all day worrying, but it was a lot to think about just what if what up this, what if that, what if the gate, the starting gate, things don't, you know, and then I try to come up with a solution and of course it was for not because he just took me and went on and ran a terrific race. And I think the biggest thing was, you know, in this earlier in the year, people were questioning whether he could get a mile in the 8th, and then they questioned about the amount a quarter. And now we're going to mile and 5 eighths on the turf. Over a soft turf course. And it was, again, he took all my worries and just put them in his back pocket and off we went. At a year nickname, the whip, Eddie the whip maple, is what a lot of people would call you. And it inspired me to ask the poll question of our listeners today on our social media pages about some of the great nicknames that have been given to people and horses in racing. Times have changed a little bit. There are new stringent whip rules. Now, how would you have had to adjust your style? To compete in today's environment. It wouldn't have been hard. It's just like the jockeys today that I mean, a lot of these jockeys came out when this whip rule was already in place. So they didn't have any choice. They were just, they were schooled this way. And this is what they did. But as far as changing, you know, I wrote in Europe and they had those rules over there already. So I don't know. I wrote a lot of horses that wouldn't have run very well without a whip. I think they probably would have ran pretty good with the rules that are in effect right now. But I could do either and I certainly would have rather ridden with the whips that they have now and with the rules that they have than the way things were when I was riding. I think this is much, much better, say a lot of energy on the jockeys part and it's just a better way to treat these horses and get the best out of them a different way. Eddie maple here on the horse racing radio network, Eddie, just about a minute and a half or so left before I have to get to this final commercial break in the hour. But I do want to ask you about one Kentucky Derby road in particular. And that was in 1984. You finished third with at the threshold, but your brother Sam maple was also in that race with Taylor's special who ended up finishing 13th. Tell me about that Derby and riding in the race with your brother. You know what? Sam was probably as talented a writer and it was such a good brother. And he came up the hard way by that I mean he had to learn so much.

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"maple" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett

On Being with Krista Tippett

06:26 min | 11 months ago

"maple" Discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett

"Talked to this guy from my heart and within 5 minutes, I got this big gun belt on. I'm about 5 three right in this guy's like 6, 6, and he's balling, you know? And I'm holding this guy with this big gun belt on and everything. And he was just an incredible paint and that's what I started realizing we deal with is misplaced anger because people are incredible pain. So I ran into him three days later and a little store on Willy street where I lived at the time in the sky comes he sees me off duty, picks me up, gives me this big bear hug and said you saved my life that night. Thank you. And so when you have experiences like that and you start to realize, well, what am I doing different here? I mean, really, it's about softening your heart. When you're a police officer and you do this work, you need to find a way to be able to maintain both the compassionate bodhisattva within you and the fierce bodhisattva and know when each is called for and how to combine the two. And once you start down this path, it's possible to learn that. And that was the beginning for me. It was very powerful. Very wonderful. And have you been able to maintain that? Now, this has been 12 years or something, right? 12 years. Well, in the beginning, it wasn't strong enough for me, so it would sort of come and go and still experience these incredible waves. But once you've experienced it, you know you can come back to it. So that first retreat gave me great hope and great faith. In my ability to come back to the present moment and nourish myself in the present moment and be in the present moment. So no, I couldn't always maintain it. But as my practice got stronger, it got easier. And then I started moving through the rings at the time I went to the retreat. I can't remember if I was a police officer or a sergeant, but eventually it got pretty important to me to find a song of practice community because I was pretty much doing this individually. And then I started being able to extend it in other ways. Okay, how can I build how can I build a song go within my police department? How can I make this a family? How can I, how can I start thinking about building a place where I get to be who I want to be? Because they're being who they want to be, where we all support each other and doing that. How can I build an organism within the police department where each police officer when they're alone where nobody's looking represents all of us in a way that we'd feel really good about? And so of course I can't talk like this in the police department. I have to translate the language, but I've been a cop for almost 20 years, so I can do that. And now I'm the captain of personnel and training. So my job is a higher everybody for the Madison police department. I train everybody. I'm in charge of recruiting, hiring the pre service academy in service training. So I'm now at a position where I get to do just about everything I want. So I get a lot of opportunities to do this and to combine the way I would talk about it is look, we need certain we don't lose police officers, tactically, we've gotten very good at with our equipment, our technology and our training in terms of from 1950, we've on we, the fewer and fewer police officers have been killed in the line of duty where we're losing people is emotionally. But I gave tie those statistics. I mean, there are two to three times as many officers killing themselves now as I being killed in the line of duty. And from a training perspective, and a risk perspective, if it's preventable, I mean, if it's predictable, it's preventable. So I started thinking about how to move some training resources to emotional areas. And I certainly don't talk about, but I do, I actually have taught 38 officers a practice of mindfulness in terms of eating, sitting and walking meditation. Some people who I thought would never be interested. As one of several tools available to them to deal with the stress in their lives in the emotional and biological roller coaster of being a police officer. I mean, we deal with people that there is somebody once said at their maddest saddest and baddest. And if you can't find a way to take care of yourself, you're just going to keep responding to the energy that's coming at you and escalate it. Have you seen that help other police officers as well? I think other police officers that understand that this work has to be done from your heart that it doesn't mean you give up being tough. It doesn't mean you give up your ability to protect people, your ability to go hands on when you need to, but you do it from a place of awareness and softness and compassion are the people that are happy is doing their jobs and the ones that enjoy it the most. They're the ones that don't shut down and the ones we don't lose. So from an organizational standpoint it is a very important message to in a very important thing to support in fellow officers. Did you have a hand in making this retreat happen? Is that right? This retreat was pretty much came about as when I decided to take my practice further in about 2000 I really got much more committed. So I'd been practicing for 9 years. And then I decided I wanted to become a member of the order, a core member of the order, and receive the 14 mindfulness training. So I spent a year getting ready for that and studying with one of the local Dharma teachers and declaring my intention and then I went out to plum village last year. For three weeks, which was probably one of the most wonderful three weeks of my entire life. And I hadn't realized how much healing I still had to do. As a police officer yourself and a victim and so often in a presser. You know, you really have to come to grips with both of those, but it occurred to me when I was out there because it was so healing for me. To be out there. And I wrote a letter to Thai and put it in the bell because when you want to receive the mindfulness training, that's one of the requirements to receive the 14 and become a core member..

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"The vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies this entire episode. Yeah it's a fascinating process. We spend some time you know especially For those of you all familiar with our all school origins house of works. We would totally spend at our. He'd just exploring how cool this process is but for our purposes today fellow conspiracy realist. It's just important to know how much work goes into each one of those little bottles. The industry today is surprisingly big. There's a lot of. There's a lot of money and maple it turns out by twenty twenty three. This is going to be worth the maple syrup industry alone. It's going to be worth one point. Seven billion dollars. This story may be familiar to some of us listening today because there was a netflix documentary. That came out not too long ago. A great series called dirty money and in one episode in season. One dirty money. They discuss Maple syrup in a way. That's related to this. It turns out officially because of all the time dedicated to creating this. There is a premium price. But it's also only part of the reason there's a premium of price anyway right now when the statistics you'll hear thrown around is accurate but it changes a little bit year over year. A single barrel of maple syrup would be worth around one thousand eight hundred dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars which makes it currently more than twenty times the price of a barrel of oil which is right. Now as we record about seventy three seventy four bucks. That'll that'll change. But they're maple syrup has been more expensive than oil for a long long time. Yeah and it's really great comparison. Because ben isn't joking you're talking around it when he's saying a barrel of this substance d. A barrel of oil is the same as a the the same barrels basically that you can find maple in and and oil in and that also is very important to this story. Yeah yeah forty two gallons. That's how much a Forty two us gallons. That's the size of both of these kinds of barrels so this industry also gets further specialized because is very localized. Maples don't grow everywhere. Maple serves not made everywhere in fact. It's it's pretty much exclusively created in north america. The biggest manufacturer is vermont. That stereotype is true. Vermont is a very big a maple syrup industry at least in the us but that us behemoth is absolutely dwarfed by canada. That's where the real maple action goes down. The province of quebec specifically makes in excess of seventy percent of the world's entire supply of maple syrup and this is why outfits like the economists were investigative reporters carolyn jarvis who appears dirty. Money have called canada. The saudi arabia of maple syrup. It's not just the clever title. It's pretty accurate. It's all intermeshed with the oil industry. Love it yeah. Most people outside of these very specific regions that specialize in producing the stuff Or outside specific industries that are associated normally think about maple syrup Until back in two thousand twelve that is when there was a story that hit the press Where it had been discovered that someone had pulled a heist. Ben you you refer to it as an ocean's eleven level heist with your bag man and you're inside man and all your other doesn't have to be a man but you know in the parlance of heists and this crew If you will were involved in stealing thousands of tonnes Of the stuff and making off with around eighteen point seven million dollars canadian which is around fifteen million usd Worth of maple syrup. And if you were talking about this around the water cooler It might have at the time like tin for most people. i imagine. Strike you as a little bit funny Immediately when you hear somebody stole maple syrup. That's right because what do you do with all that. That's what do you not back in two thousand twelve. That was the immediate question. It's like one of those hikes where you know. I try notices too often air. But oh i've weird thing with dirigibles always joked about stealing blimp airship and the big the reason. That's so humorous is because the hell do you do it where yeah where are you going to put all that maple syrup how do you. How do you explain that. How do you adia launder naples. Syrup offense maple syrup. that's a good question ben. Among the end of the day How is it any different than any. Other valuable commodity. You know 'cause valuable it absolutely is as you mentioned earlier it costs upwards of a under two grand a barrel whereas oil i think is only around seventy five seventy six bucks so i mean absolutely sticky brown is what the stuff is but You know chuckles aside. When the story came through there really is absolutely dark. presumably somewhat sticky underbelly to the world of maple syrup because the story didn't just end up exposing these criminals who did get caught and convicted ultimately expose something else something much deeper and arguably more sinister A multigenerational cartel like operation that spanned decades. You see the economist. And jarvis didn't just say. The canada was the saudi arabia of maple syrup. They went a little further and they said this situation also has an opec yup dares a conspiracy afoot in the land of pancakes waffles. Folks just like the stories diamonds or the early days of light bulbs turns out. Maple syrup is run by a cartel. What are we talking about. We'll tell you after word from our sponsor week one may be over but the season's just getting started at draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl to kick off week to draft. Kings is giving new customers two hundred dollars in free bets instantly when they one dollar on any football game. Listen up because you don't want to miss this head to the draft king sportsbook app now and place a bet of one dollar on any week. 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Aright opec is the organization of petroleum exporting countries. You have if you've depending on the kind of news you've read over the years or decades. You've probably heard opec being brought up various times in in the west and that's because opec cat it makes for a very convenient boogeyman especially when you get toil wars and fossil fuel prices because opec is what is known as a cartel usually will we hear the word cartel we associated with drugs cocaine. You know what i mean like. This is This is because we often hear the terms together. We don't hear things like banking cartel right and and even the diamond cartel is very much real. You like nine times out of ten when you hear the word cartel described in the news. It's going to be referring to drugs but what had actually defines is just this. Let's say that. Matt knoll mission control. And i all make out. What's something fund that we make some specific line facific slime for kids. We make we make like that. That kind of let's say it's like a branded k. It's a very specific kind of slide with like nickelodeon gak there. We go so we make we make gac and what we are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we were coming called gacaca. Your company's called gac. It is called matt gak well anyway i. We got lots of room to play with this. We are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we say hey why are we. Are we fighting with each other. You know what i mean. Why why why are we all living within. Like dogs and poppers for a measly twenty five percent of a small piece of pie. We could get together. We can make the pie bigger and we could all profit off and what we would do then. Is we be a group of suppliers or manufacturers and we would conspire with each other literally. Say okay the price of gac no matter what is always going to be arrested development reference is always going to be like what could it cost ten dollars you know. That's that's what we'll do. We'll do it the way they did bananas and then we would say in addition to that four of us are also going to cooperate whether through a transparent legal means or through unethical illegal means to keep all those other dirty competitors out of the game. You know there's there's a they're a bunch of independent producers jack and we are going to destroy them so free market. A cartel is not. Yoda would say a really great example of this isn't a show that i've been watching recently the wire Where there is a group of rival drug dealers who are constantly at each other's throats and warring and dropping bodies in the streets and then They inevitably eventually get together pool. Their resources use their influence to get the best product and then share real estate And then they also use that to vanquish any other competition or if there is competition that's worth bringing into this collusion are cartel type situation. They do that and just absorb them but ultimately is about limiting competition and about kind of the rising tide carrying vessels but also not having any outsiders yet in price-fixing in i think just one minor thing we're missing with the gac version. We're talking about here. is that with most cartels. there's either a natural resource or a resource that is limited. there's limited access to write is all organic exactly making excellent point in the in the gac example you would just it would be more about the things needed to create the gac right so in this in naples. The reason why it's important or like almost like almost needed to have a cartel like this. And i know as a little controversial. We'll get into it. But because there is a limited amount of the stuff in circulation at any given time in controlling that the supply becomes vital to the industry right right it becomes monopolistic and the world of dune by frank. Herbert has an excellent example. Of this. With the spice. This is not based on some sort of made up thing now. The the cartel in question is called the federation of quebec maple syrup producers but the the real name is in french because it's coie it's usually referred to by the acronym fda q this story of the organizations interesting dates back to the nineteen fifties. These guys have been active for a while so over in southern quebec. A group of remember the name sugar makers We're having a hard time because this is this is hard work just like farming. These folks are often the whims of the weather. They don't know what may or may not affect the trees and sometimes it's like active god level disasters so they said look. We can no longer be at the whims of a market. We have to be able to guarantee our survival rival our kids and our businesses. So we're going to get together and we're going to voltron up. We'll collectively market our able syrup. The starts in one thousand nine fifty eight the idea catches on it. Leads to the formation of a larger group ultimately across the entirety of quebec and since nineteen eighty nine all the they're typically called producers all the sugar makers in this f p q have worked together as a cartel. They've set prices and they've also done something else. They've set production quotas. That's the big problem that the us historically had with opec. They we get mad at opec. And i had an old professor years ago. Who said was very nice person but they said opec exists to stop the flow of oil and make it expensive. And i thought it was a little hot take because it didn't seem like a good idea as a business model but it turns out. It's a great ideas business model in some cases especially if you want to enrich a small number of families that own all the oil in the middle east yes or or tycoons like us out so so this is this is again. It's similar to opec it similar to two beers which is the infamous diamond cartel or similar to the feebis cartel. Which is the group that back in the day. Purposefully made light bulbs crappier. Yeah and also just hey. Don't sleep on the diamond. The beers diamond thing that we i think we just put out the classic episode on diamonds on the laura Question i knew the answer. But just hypothetically speaking a cartel isn't inherently illegal. I mean there certainly are illegal. Cartels that traffic in illegal goods but to me the whole purpose of cartel is to limit competition and essentially. Create a monopoly. So is it just kind of like a loophole that allows for a legal monopoly of some sort. And why aren't these challenged. More often by regulators want agree question. Yes the answer is. We'll find verges on the philosophical points but Without sounding too cynical. What i would say that i welcome disagreements with this what i would say. Is that the issue of legality ultimately becomes just an issue of who controls the mechanisms of the state. That's why different countries have different laws. Like if you so so like somebody may consider the activities of a cartel domestically or internationally illegal but if that cartel is powerful enough if they have enough access enough what you would call juice in the wire or suction in the wires. Cited industry makes a lot of money right or if they're industry has already been purchased through perhaps unethical means by the rulers of the country. Then they get to decide what they think is legal or illegal so that's why we have these legal cartels and then there's a greater good argument that comes out and sometimes it's a good faith argument but the the idea here is the idea of what these guys are doing. This group is legal. The government of canada has sanctioned this but not everybody agrees. Because there's very much who watches the watchmen situation anytime you talk about a cartel because you could ask people throughout mining operations run by de beers what they think of the cartel's activities and yes sometimes at being ethical and being legal or not always the same thing you know. Unfortunately it again like we were making these comparisons because it is the best. These are the best ways to actually make these connections and talk about these things but you know the mining operations in some of the horrors. They are very different from you know sugar makers tapping trees right. But also i mean there. That's the thing we we love the complexity of a topic like this. Because it's it's not apples to apples or maples to maples. There is in everyone of. And i'm only saying this to point out that a lot of sugar makers and from what i've seen in the stats in some of the stuff that was shown in that dirty money episode the producers in the sugar makers the vast majority of them are down with this cartel because it helps them individually. Make sure that they're able to sell their product at a good enough price to get loans right and to be able to make enough enough profit off of something that could be not profitable. Yeah it's not like these. It's not like these folks who are in this in this industry whether they are opposed to the cartel or whether they support it. It's not like they're billionaires. You know what i mean. They're they're like anybody else for the job. Trying to get by and in the opec example is interesting is if you were a member of opec you would see clear advantages especially when you were cognizant of the way that colonial powers absolately exploited anyplace with oil four as long as they. Could you know what i mean. So e is seeing as a protective defensive move which is why it is called protectionism. So this liked to to that point right now. This word is legal. It's a fantastic question. We'll get into the philosophy of the of the problem later. But from the perspective of the folks the many members and supporters of what is sometimes just called the federation for shorthand. This group is taking necessary actions to ensure that all important price stability because otherwise you're just out there independently. What if what if the weather does it work out. What if something terrible happens to the trees in your sugar brush which is what the collection and copes of trees being tapped is called c. Because they're all like sh- words with sugar in them so we can't just list them all well and ben also what if what if you produce too much right. What if you've got too much stuff and you don't have a buyer for all of this surplus produced radia syrup surplus could be as bad as a syrup shortage this this leads to that that quota system because the federation doesn't just dictate the price at which syrup has to be sold in quebec they also dictate how much you as a sugar maker can make each sugaring season so like if we did that with our gac cartel then we would be telling blake. Let's say we all agreed that we were going to sell. We were all only going to sell ten million tons of gag units. There we go. There's a little better. Yeah ten million units each of gac and then let's see mission. Control has a bumper year. His gac trees are doing awesome. And he's like i've made twenty million units gac and then we say well sorry rope that's over your quota so you cannot sell it as a matter of fact you have to give it to us. That's what happens in the maple syrup situation if you have a great year no matter who you are if you have a great year and you harvest more than the allow quota you cannot sell the excess syrup the way you would want to because it might end up driving down that price increases surplus instead. You have to ship it to you. Not something called the global strategic reserve of maple syrup yet again. The oil comparison holds the. Us has a global reserve of oil or strategic reserve. Now forgive me if i'm incorrect here. My understanding is that it's not them just handing it over like for free they would. They would get payment for not as donating but essentially giving their syrup to preserve. Yes yeah and the the key issue. There is the timing. So let's look at the other case. If there's a low production year the federation taps get it that reserve. And they release a controlled amount of syrup into late out into the world into circulation. Let's call it right. Yes they circulate this europe and some people love this setup because again like like matt saying earlier this makes it much much easier to predict how future years will play out which is huge hugely important. But other people had a problem with this other maple syrup producers Not just like outside observers with some economic policy ax to grind people. Say i've been making maple syrup my whole life. This maple syrup. Operation has been our family for generations. We want to take a cue from fleetwood. Mac and go our own way The federation wasn't really cool with this in two thousand in the early two thousand. You'll hear it called two thousand or two thousand four in the early two thousands. They did this thing where they created. An exclusive selling agency. Meaning that matter who you are. You're in quebec in your in the syrup game you. You can't sell like directly to a supermarket. You know what i mean. You can't make a deal with like a restaurant chain to just carry your your syrup. You have to sell it to the federation that agreed upon price and they will basically run the rest of the sales from there. So if you like this and you wanted to sell things yourself. You ended up putting syrup on an actual black-market. Wow so this is to say that any syrup in the syrup mile at your local grocery store chain whether it's the like twelve ninety nine a bottle seemingly small batch family operation kind of situation or whether it's your you know whatever the like i don't even know what the The the most mainstream syrup dejoras today. They're all going through this system. Otherwise now seventy percents right now if you were walking in a grocery store or any store selling maple syrup almost anywhere in the world in excess of seventy percent of. It is coming not just from canada but from this place which means like syrup black market unless there's like a black market supermarket. Some syrup comes from the united states. obviously i mean. That's the issue here. I see well and a lot of syrup. You will find for sale wherever you live is going to be corn syrup that scott some color in it and may have some maple flavoring and or maple syrup involved. But it's mostly core. But i can't say pure no no i can't say pure. And there is a premium on organic maple syrup but largely like these. This organization has the heft to swing around to get. Its way this is where stuff started clamping down and for people who are big free market. Proponents this is where it becomes a little bit of a horror story. Because all producers in the area all sugar makers in the area are required to sell their product directly to this organization whether or not they want to. So it's not. It's not quite the same thing as like a union. You can't opt in right. There is there is one exception. Which is you can sell small amounts of your syrup directly from your farm which are called love this sugar shacks cue to be the you can so you can sell your own stuff to people like happen by right and you can also if you want you can sell the supermarkets as long as you give the federation there are cut which is twelve percent off. The top is not as big of a as a google takes off youtube. Still twelve percent makes a big difference in people's lives as a matter of fact. Let's let's talk a little bit more about the money in this relationship. Because that's where that's where the problems with cartels usually come into play and that's usually where you see like the if not conspiracy and corruption. That's where you're going to see the conflict. Yes estimates right now. Our best estimate is that the federation the cartel takes the equivalent of eleven cents. Us off of every pound of syrup produced so. Let's just do the math here. One gallon of syrup contains eleven pounds so a dollar twenty one. us per gallon of syrup. Basically and interestingly. And i guess kinda rationally that money that the federation takes off according to them goes to the promotion of maple maple syrup thing. It is like bright. We're promoting the industry itself by having this this group over like deployed on top of it and also in research. How can we tap these trees better. And how can we store this maple for longer. And what scientifically proven advantages does maple syrup have over say something something others some other sweet substance that people might buy in a store like honey so this makes sense and if you are a sugar maker you also pay an administrative fee to this organization but again the people who are running this organization staffing at working for it. They're going to say look. We're making ends meet but please stop calling us. Stop calling us tycoons and stuff. Because we're just we're trying to do what's best for everybody. Thing is again the for their involvement weather consensual or nonconsensual. These producers are paid in installments. So like going back to our surplus your example you send in. You've exceeded your quota. How dare you be good at what you do right. How dare you be extraordinary. What you're doing then. You will be paid for the syrup that has to be shipped off to the strategic reserve. But you're paid on kind of a layaway plan. And this has led some unhappy syrup makers to say that. They've they've said they're waiting months or in some cases years for these payments to come in. And if you are paying other bills or cost associated with keeping the lights on etc etc then you can't really go to your utility company and say wait number money. I'll get to you next year. Fingers crossed knock maplewood and you can totally see why the black market feels like it may be a viable option for that individual like you said who needs to make payments to other people while they're waiting on the other. There's certainly are. You know critics of this system from on the proofs or side and one particularly vocal producer who is fighting against f. Pack fpu is an gel gronyea Who was kind of tired of the whole setup. She was sick of cartel pushing her around and decided to take on a direct sales model where she sold her syrup. Right to a distributor bypassing the efc entirely and the police got involved all of her stock that she had warehouse seized and she was slapped with a crippling. Five hundred thousand dollar fine very much. Seems like they're trying to make an example of her so. This is a restricted. Really see problems brewing and ben. I believe this is one of the primary interviewees on that dirty money episode. Yeah this this person who's very outspoken. In kind of leading a fight against the cartel. It's a fascinating story. Recommend you check out that episode if you can just to to get the background on it but we're going to bring a continue on here because that was just the beginning of the issues at hand here yes. Trouble was on the horizon. Pause for word from our sponsor will return with more. Unless of course big maple gets us might have noticed the change in your neighborhood lately yep sprint stores are now team mobile stores that it spreads t. mobile you get more coverage value and benefits than ever before we've invested billions. Bring five g. From big cities to small towns across america. Great coverage is just start high. Speed mobile hotspot data to weekly deals and giveaways our customers get tons of great benefits. That you knew t. mobile store to learn more. Go find service and capable device require coverage not available in some areas. Some use to me require certain planner. Features c. t. mobile dot com. 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Ville tackling listen alone. Lobos starting september twenty first twenty twenty one so part of the michael podcast network available on the iheartradio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. We've returned yet. So grenade is often quoted. She's you'll you'll find her mention. Her story mentioned multiple local regional and international articles about this situation. She has been her case when all the way to the canadian supreme court by the way just to give you a sense of how how important. This was an all of this this this boiling massive cultural sap. This is the context in which the maple syrup heist occurs and from a cinematic perspective. It's pretty impressive. So the reserve calling it. A singular thing might be a little misleading to people because it's located in a series of three warehouses in rural quebec and over the course of twenty eleven in two thousand twelve this group of conspirators stole thousands and thousands of tons of maple syrup and it was a slow motion operation. They the federation themselves only found out about this when they had that. Let's another moment from the heist like the story which is just a neat montage of tropes. Basically the there's always the moment in the heist where there's the big reveal you know. Someone opens the safe. That it's gone. It turns out that the cops were also working with the robbers. And then the bad guy. Whomever in this case federation doesn't seem themselves to the bad guy but you know like heist crew probably saw them as the bad guy. There's this moment if you could picture ocean's eleven quebec where someone from the federation opens one of these syrup barrels and says holy. Oh no that's that's water. That's not syrup. How much did they get us for. And they found out that this was easily like a quarter of the syrup strategic reserve which means it's easily quarter of the world's saved up supply and yet the police were evolved. This was a huge crime in just a few days. In december of twenty canadian police ended up arresting like seventeen different people who had some connection with the plot and that was on the orders of this cartel which continues today and again. We can't emphasize this enough. We're not worried about calling them villains. It does have ardent supporters and it does have die hard opponents and we have to remember that scillies a headline might sound. These are real people maple serve stuff is not their hobby. They get up every day and think about it because it's their livelihood and grenada famous example but there are others sugar makers who have been slapped with fines huge fights. They've also had their syrup the stuff they made seized by this organisation for going outside of its its rules. And that's why you'll hear people like grenades say the federation says they own my trees they make the treat it like. It's their property. Rhetoric really interesting article by a reporter named ross mera wits who said that the cartel may accidentally to a degree be working against its own interests because their rules may be strengthening competition from other provinces in canada and non-canadian competition in the us. I think ross actually has a you know a pretty compelling case there because if you can get look if the reason why i bought this particular maple syrup was because it was like five or six dollars less than the other one's not the not the fully like single barreled ones. You were mentioning there. No but you know. The one hundred percent maple syrups that existed where i went to bhai syrup. And it's still one hundred percent maple syrup but it's significantly less expensive and if you if you've got competitors out there that are dinner able to have stuff on the market that is not at the prices you're fixing that are lower than those prices then you could be in very big trouble especially if you get them to big distributors like i don't know here in atlanta like a kroger or of a walmart or a whole foods or something like that. Yeah the canadian supply and the cartel itself could be in trouble. Imagine to like. There's this thing called. Oh gosh it's not the ao see. What's the The lawmaker but there's an organization in france that regulates what products can be given what names like for example. True french champagne can only be called champagne. If it comes from the champagne region of france Does this cartel also Govern kind of purity claims like defeat calling something one hundred percent pure maple syrup or even just pure maple syrup like in terms of how to use the wire terms how much it can be stepped on. You know. Because i imagine that some maple syrup is diluted in some way So that you can make your yield go further. I don't have specifics on that. I would just say that in something like this product that i have here. The only ingredient is maple syrup. so i've seen others that are like seventy five percent pure maple syrup and then extra stuff something like that But i don't know the naming conventions in how they're applied. Yeah because it may be sold not directly to the end consumer but it might be sold to a company that then makes something a blend somehow of the syrups. So it's it's interesting because they're trying to they're trying it's phrased and very optimistic way by the federation they're like we wanna take. We want to participate in this expanding market. But it's it's not inaccurate. Because the production in quebec has increased year over year for a decade. It increased thirty percent from two thousand seven and two thousand seventeen. But it's also understandable. How if you're making maple syrup in quebec. You might feel these rules however well intentioned hurt you more than they help you because imagine your scene some you know some guy who's like a weird equivalent or reverse carpet bagging out from vermont crosses over the border and the same rules. Don't apply to them. They can sell the vermont syrup all the live long day. And so these other these kappa kwa sugar makers the ones who were opposed to the federation when she get the research that we saw seems indicate there in the minority but the these folks feel that they traded one disadvantage for another. They're saying look is hedging against them predictable weather. Is it worth knowing that. I have to wait for months or years to get paid. Is it worth knowing that. I can't do what i want with the trees that i or my family name spent forty years minimum growing supporters of the staff of the federation people like simon. The executive director they disagree with being characterized as some shady behemoth again. They're they're not. They wouldn't say they're like tycoons certainly not oil country level wealthy nicknamed at their first and foremost concern is to represent people who actually make maple syrup but here we get to the end because if you are outside of the industry and you are thinking about this. It may represent a much older conundrum. which is the philosophical conflict between a controlled market and a free market. And this is a very this. Conversation is cyclical in the mainstream. It comes up pretty often. You know and sometimes it's phrased and very very simplistic terms like someone's quoting ayn rand it you or whatever but the the real question here is what what would be the benefit. If there's a syrup free mark if there's an unfettered syrup free for all its weird image out of context would that would that be better for these individuals or would instead lead back to like crazy fluctuations and result in the surplus as you described mad or people having find closed down their family. Sugar shacks what would happen. Who knows and there's uncertainty in there right and that's kind of maybe the whole point. I really want to look at. Who does this benefit the most by following the money so the federation itself we talked about they get eleven cents per pound of maple syrup produced so the federation gets that benefit they also get benefit when they expand so they add more producers. they can continue to make that eleven cents per pound so in two thousand seventeen. The federation made a move. They said they're gonna add five million new taps so that's like taps not necessarily an individual tree but individual taps intrigue to its existing forty three million taps and the goal. There is to really just more fully participate in that larger market that we talked about and what they really want to see is an increase production overall by thirty percent of so for you know until twenty twenty seven or whatever if they can. They want to do that right in what i want. My understanding is controlling these prices guaranteeing that a sugar makers gonna make this money. The biggest benefit is that the bank knows that if you're producing maple they will back you up with with money for loans to either. Continue your business or expand your business because they are guaranteed to get paid back at least some amount because you're guaranteed to be making money by this cartel and if the banks if the banks and the gar- teller like yeah. We're all good here. We can expand. We'll give you money to expand the cartels making money on the top. The bank is lending out tons of money. That's making tons of interest on these loans. Everybody's like doing great in the sugar makers are making you know. Whatever the prices are the cartel says they're going to be. It feels like the banks are actually winning in this. I mean the banks are usually way in a lot of a lot of sites. Unfortunately but but they're designed to right. So that's that's a very great point about controlled market you know does. Does this collective action. You could call it to control the quebec's spice does it. Ultimately make it easier for people to succeed or is it really hurting more people than it helps or who. Is it really helping to your cheer question. That's that's something again that we're not making a call on but a lot of people are a lot of people are trying to answer that question and for others and for me as well. You know one thing. That really stuck out was the concept of consent consent. Informed consent is is a huge hugely important thing in every aspect of your life professional and personal in. It's a key factor. So would the federation would ask what they get less criticism if they didn't mandate or four speed to participate so again while these questions the tricky thing with these questions is that they all verge into prognostication and philosophy. You can't really predict the future. Unless you're unless darpa a little further ahead than i think and the as a result of these questions are not easy to answer it does go to show the just like in the case of the greek cheese spiracy though even the most innocuous seeming things can have a conspiracy behind them. And so with this. We want to ask you folks. I off waffles or pancakes. We're when i'm not letting go. I gotta tell you i. I respect your decision if you're paying pancake person more pancakes for you. But while you're thinking about that ask yourself should maple producers be required to join. This federation is helping or hurting them. Overall with this high still have occurred if the federation didn't exist. I mean let us know. Let us know if you'd like to hear more stories about food conspiracies. Though be warned friends some of these stories are much much darker than this one. Cough cough palm oil cough cough chocolate cough cough. Is that a subtle enough hint you. Oh that's that works. Don't even don't even look into the gac industry that show god. It's bad no we get. We've tire time. We've been doing a podcast for fun. But we're really we're jackman at the end of the jackman jackman jackman. How how How can people find is. How can they tell us these things. They just shout out into the void into the sky. Yeah so is your what cartel are you associated with the bloomfield whistle. You can find us on twitter and facebook and youtube we are. We are conspiracy stuff on instagram. We're conspiracy stuff show. Oh and i forgot to point out. The trees do not.

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"The vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies this entire episode. Yeah it's a fascinating process. We spend some time you know especially For those of you all familiar with our all school origins house of works. We would totally spend at our. He'd just exploring how cool this process is but for our purposes today fellow conspiracy realist. It's just important to know how much work goes into each one of those little bottles. The industry today is surprisingly big. There's a lot of. There's a lot of money and maple it turns out by twenty twenty three. This is going to be worth the maple syrup industry alone. It's going to be worth one point. Seven billion dollars. This story may be familiar to some of us listening today because there was a netflix documentary. That came out not too long ago. A great series called dirty money and in one episode in season. One dirty money. They discuss Maple syrup in a way. That's related to this. It turns out officially because of all the time dedicated to creating this. There is a premium price. But it's also only part of the reason there's a premium of price anyway right now when the statistics you'll hear thrown around is accurate but it changes a little bit year over year. A single barrel of maple syrup would be worth around one thousand eight hundred dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars which makes it currently more than twenty times the price of a barrel of oil which is right. Now as we record about seventy three seventy four bucks. That'll that'll change. But they're maple syrup has been more expensive than oil for a long long time. Yeah and it's really great comparison. Because ben isn't joking you're talking around it when he's saying a barrel of this substance d. A barrel of oil is the same as a the the same barrels basically that you can find maple in and and oil in and that also is very important to this story. Yeah yeah forty two gallons. That's how much a Forty two us gallons. That's the size of both of these kinds of barrels so this industry also gets further specialized because is very localized. Maples don't grow everywhere. Maple serves not made everywhere in fact. It's it's pretty much exclusively created in north america. The biggest manufacturer is vermont. That stereotype is true. Vermont is a very big a maple syrup industry at least in the us but that us behemoth is absolutely dwarfed by canada. That's where the real maple action goes down. The province of quebec specifically makes in excess of seventy percent of the world's entire supply of maple syrup and this is why outfits like the economists were investigative reporters carolyn jarvis who appears dirty. Money have called canada. The saudi arabia of maple syrup. It's not just the clever title. It's pretty accurate. It's all intermeshed with the oil industry. Love it yeah. Most people outside of these very specific regions that specialize in producing the stuff Or outside specific industries that are associated normally think about maple syrup Until back in two thousand twelve that is when there was a story that hit the press Where it had been discovered that someone had pulled a heist. Ben you you refer to it as an ocean's eleven level heist with your bag man and you're inside man and all your other doesn't have to be a man but you know in the parlance of heists and this crew If you will were involved in stealing thousands of tonnes Of the stuff and making off with around eighteen point seven million dollars canadian which is around fifteen million usd Worth of maple syrup. And if you were talking about this around the water cooler It might have at the time like tin for most people. i imagine. Strike you as a little bit funny Immediately when you hear somebody stole maple syrup. That's right because what do you do with all that. That's what do you not back in two thousand twelve. That was the immediate question. It's like one of those hikes where you know. I try notices too often air. But oh i've weird thing with dirigibles always joked about stealing blimp airship and the big the reason. That's so humorous is because the hell do you do it where yeah where are you going to put all that maple syrup how do you. How do you explain that. How do you adia launder naples. Syrup offense maple syrup. that's a good question ben. Among the end of the day How is it any different than any. Other valuable commodity. You know 'cause valuable it absolutely is as you mentioned earlier it costs upwards of a under two grand a barrel whereas oil i think is only around seventy five seventy six bucks so i mean absolutely sticky brown is what the stuff is but You know chuckles aside. When the story came through there really is absolutely dark. presumably somewhat sticky underbelly to the world of maple syrup because the story didn't just end up exposing these criminals who did get caught and convicted ultimately expose something else something much deeper and arguably more sinister A multigenerational cartel like operation that spanned decades. You see the economist. 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Aright opec is the organization of petroleum exporting countries. You have if you've depending on the kind of news you've read over the years or decades. You've probably heard opec being brought up various times in in the west and that's because opec cat it makes for a very convenient boogeyman especially when you get toil wars and fossil fuel prices because opec is what is known as a cartel usually will we hear the word cartel we associated with drugs cocaine. You know what i mean like. This is This is because we often hear the terms together. We don't hear things like banking cartel right and and even the diamond cartel is very much real. You like nine times out of ten when you hear the word cartel described in the news. It's going to be referring to drugs but what had actually defines is just this. Let's say that. Matt knoll mission control. And i all make out. What's something fund that we make some specific line facific slime for kids. We make we make like that. That kind of let's say it's like a branded k. It's a very specific kind of slide with like nickelodeon gak there. We go so we make we make gac and what we are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we were coming called gacaca. Your company's called gac. It is called matt gak well anyway i. We got lots of room to play with this. We are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we say hey why are we. Are we fighting with each other. You know what i mean. Why why why are we all living within. Like dogs and poppers for a measly twenty five percent of a small piece of pie. We could get together. We can make the pie bigger and we could all profit off and what we would do then. Is we be a group of suppliers or manufacturers and we would conspire with each other literally. Say okay the price of gac no matter what is always going to be arrested development reference is always going to be like what could it cost ten dollars you know. That's that's what we'll do. We'll do it the way they did bananas and then we would say in addition to that four of us are also going to cooperate whether through a transparent legal means or through unethical illegal means to keep all those other dirty competitors out of the game. You know there's there's a they're a bunch of independent producers jack and we are going to destroy them so free market. A cartel is not. Yoda would say a really great example of this isn't a show that i've been watching recently the wire Where there is a group of rival drug dealers who are constantly at each other's throats and warring and dropping bodies in the streets and then They inevitably eventually get together pool. Their resources use their influence to get the best product and then share real estate And then they also use that to vanquish any other competition or if there is competition that's worth bringing into this collusion are cartel type situation. They do that and just absorb them but ultimately is about limiting competition and about kind of the rising tide carrying vessels but also not having any outsiders yet in price-fixing in i think just one minor thing we're missing with the gac version. We're talking about here. is that with most cartels. there's either a natural resource or a resource that is limited. there's limited access to write is all organic exactly making excellent point in the in the gac example you would just it would be more about the things needed to create the gac right so in this in naples. The reason why it's important or like almost like almost needed to have a cartel like this. And i know as a little controversial. We'll get into it. But because there is a limited amount of the stuff in circulation at any given time in controlling that the supply becomes vital to the industry right right it becomes monopolistic and the world of dune by frank. Herbert has an excellent example. Of this. With the spice. This is not based on some sort of made up thing now. The the cartel in question is called the federation of quebec maple syrup producers but the the real name is in french because it's coie it's usually referred to by the acronym fda q this story of the organizations interesting dates back to the nineteen fifties. These guys have been active for a while so over in southern quebec. A group of remember the name sugar makers We're having a hard time because this is this is hard work just like farming. These folks are often the whims of the weather. They don't know what may or may not affect the trees and sometimes it's like active god level disasters so they said look. We can no longer be at the whims of a market. We have to be able to guarantee our survival rival our kids and our businesses. So we're going to get together and we're going to voltron up. We'll collectively market our able syrup. The starts in one thousand nine fifty eight the idea catches on it. Leads to the formation of a larger group ultimately across the entirety of quebec and since nineteen eighty nine all the they're typically called producers all the sugar makers in this f p q have worked together as a cartel. They've set prices and they've also done something else. They've set production quotas. That's the big problem that the us historically had with opec. They we get mad at opec. And i had an old professor years ago. Who said was very nice person but they said opec exists to stop the flow of oil and make it expensive. And i thought it was a little hot take because it didn't seem like a good idea as a business model but it turns out. It's a great ideas business model in some cases especially if you want to enrich a small number of families that own all the oil in the middle east yes or or tycoons like us out so so this is this is again. It's similar to opec it similar to two beers which is the infamous diamond cartel or similar to the feebis cartel. Which is the group that back in the day. Purposefully made light bulbs crappier. Yeah and also just hey. Don't sleep on the diamond. The beers diamond thing that we i think we just put out the classic episode on diamonds on the laura Question i knew the answer. But just hypothetically speaking a cartel isn't inherently illegal. I mean there certainly are illegal. Cartels that traffic in illegal goods but to me the whole purpose of cartel is to limit competition and essentially. Create a monopoly. So is it just kind of like a loophole that allows for a legal monopoly of some sort. And why aren't these challenged. More often by regulators want agree question. Yes the answer is. We'll find verges on the philosophical points but Without sounding too cynical. What i would say that i welcome disagreements with this what i would say. Is that the issue of legality ultimately becomes just an issue of who controls the mechanisms of the state. That's why different countries have different laws. Like if you so so like somebody may consider the activities of a cartel domestically or internationally illegal but if that cartel is powerful enough if they have enough access enough what you would call juice in the wire or suction in the wires. Cited industry makes a lot of money right or if they're industry has already been purchased through perhaps unethical means by the rulers of the country. Then they get to decide what they think is legal or illegal so that's why we have these legal cartels and then there's a greater good argument that comes out and sometimes it's a good faith argument but the the idea here is the idea of what these guys are doing. This group is legal. The government of canada has sanctioned this but not everybody agrees. Because there's very much who watches the watchmen situation anytime you talk about a cartel because you could ask people throughout mining operations run by de beers what they think of the cartel's activities and yes sometimes at being ethical and being legal or not always the same thing you know. Unfortunately it again like we were making these comparisons because it is the best. These are the best ways to actually make these connections and talk about these things but you know the mining operations in some of the horrors. They are very different from you know sugar makers tapping trees right. But also i mean there. That's the thing we we love the complexity of a topic like this. Because it's it's not apples to apples or maples to maples. There is in everyone of. And i'm only saying this to point out that a lot of sugar makers and from what i've seen in the stats in some of the stuff that was shown in that dirty money episode the producers in the sugar makers the vast majority of them are down with this cartel because it helps them individually. Make sure that they're able to sell their product at a good enough price to get loans right and to be able to make enough enough profit off of something that could be not profitable. Yeah it's not like these. It's not like these folks who are in this in this industry whether they are opposed to the cartel or whether they support it. It's not like they're billionaires. You know what i mean. They're they're like anybody else for the job. Trying to get by and in the opec example is interesting is if you were a member of opec you would see clear advantages especially when you were cognizant of the way that colonial powers absolately exploited anyplace with oil four as long as they. Could you know what i mean. So e is seeing as a protective defensive move which is why it is called protectionism. So this liked to to that point right now. This word is legal. It's a fantastic question. We'll get into the philosophy of the of the problem later. But from the perspective of the folks the many members and supporters of what is sometimes just called the federation for shorthand. This group is taking necessary actions to ensure that all important price stability because otherwise you're just out there independently. What if what if the weather does it work out. What if something terrible happens to the trees in your sugar brush which is what the collection and copes of trees being tapped is called c. Because they're all like sh- words with sugar in them so we can't just list them all well and ben also what if what if you produce too much right. What if you've got too much stuff and you don't have a buyer for all of this surplus produced radia syrup surplus could be as bad as a syrup shortage this this leads to that that quota system because the federation doesn't just dictate the price at which syrup has to be sold in quebec they also dictate how much you as a sugar maker can make each sugaring season so like if we did that with our gac cartel then we would be telling blake. Let's say we all agreed that we were going to sell. We were all only going to sell ten million tons of gag units. There we go. There's a little better. Yeah ten million units each of gac and then let's see mission. Control has a bumper year. His gac trees are doing awesome. And he's like i've made twenty million units gac and then we say well sorry rope that's over your quota so you cannot sell it as a matter of fact you have to give it to us. That's what happens in the maple syrup situation if you have a great year no matter who you are if you have a great year and you harvest more than the allow quota you cannot sell the excess syrup the way you would want to because it might end up driving down that price increases surplus instead. You have to ship it to you. Not something called the global strategic reserve of maple syrup yet again. The oil comparison holds the. Us has a global reserve of oil or strategic reserve. Now forgive me if i'm incorrect here. My understanding is that it's not them just handing it over like for free they would. They would get payment for not as donating but essentially giving their syrup to preserve. Yes yeah and the the key issue. There is the timing. So let's look at the other case. If there's a low production year the federation taps get it that reserve. And they release a controlled amount of syrup into late out into the world into circulation. Let's call it right. Yes they circulate this europe and some people love this setup because again like like matt saying earlier this makes it much much easier to predict how future years will play out which is huge hugely important. But other people had a problem with this other maple syrup producers Not just like outside observers with some economic policy ax to grind people. Say i've been making maple syrup my whole life. This maple syrup. Operation has been our family for generations. We want to take a cue from fleetwood. Mac and go our own way The federation wasn't really cool with this in two thousand in the early two thousand. You'll hear it called two thousand or two thousand four in the early two thousands. They did this thing where they created. An exclusive selling agency. Meaning that matter who you are. You're in quebec in your in the syrup game you. You can't sell like directly to a supermarket. You know what i mean. You can't make a deal with like a restaurant chain to just carry your your syrup. You have to sell it to the federation that agreed upon price and they will basically run the rest of the sales from there. So if you like this and you wanted to sell things yourself. You ended up putting syrup on an actual black-market. Wow so this is to say that any syrup in the syrup mile at your local grocery store chain whether it's the like twelve ninety nine a bottle seemingly small batch family operation kind of situation or whether it's your you know whatever the like i don't even know what the The the most mainstream syrup dejoras today. They're all going through this system. Otherwise now seventy percents right now if you were walking in a grocery store or any store selling maple syrup almost anywhere in the world in excess of seventy percent of. It is coming not just from canada but from this place which means like syrup black market unless there's like a black market supermarket. Some syrup comes from the united states. obviously i mean. That's the issue here. I see well and a lot of syrup. You will find for sale wherever you live is going to be corn syrup that scott some color in it and may have some maple flavoring and or maple syrup involved. But it's mostly core. But i can't say pure no no i can't say pure. And there is a premium on organic maple syrup but largely like these. This organization has the heft to swing around to get. Its way this is where stuff started clamping down and for people who are big free market. Proponents this is where it becomes a little bit of a horror story. Because all producers in the area all sugar makers in the area are required to sell their product directly to this organization whether or not they want to. So it's not. It's not quite the same thing as like a union. You can't opt in right. There is there is one exception. Which is you can sell small amounts of your syrup directly from your farm which are called love this sugar shacks cue to be the you can so you can sell your own stuff to people like happen by right and you can also if you want you can sell the supermarkets as long as you give the federation there are cut which is twelve percent off. The top is not as big of a as a google takes off youtube. Still twelve percent makes a big difference in people's lives as a matter of fact. Let's let's talk a little bit more about the money in this relationship. Because that's where that's where the problems with cartels usually come into play and that's usually where you see like the if not conspiracy and corruption. That's where you're going to see the conflict. Yes estimates right now. Our best estimate is that the federation the cartel takes the equivalent of eleven cents. Us off of every pound of syrup produced so. Let's just do the math here. One gallon of syrup contains eleven pounds so a dollar twenty one. us per gallon of syrup. Basically and interestingly. And i guess kinda rationally that money that the federation takes off according to them goes to the promotion of maple maple syrup thing. It is like bright. We're promoting the industry itself by having this this group over like deployed on top of it and also in research. How can we tap these trees better. And how can we store this maple for longer. And what scientifically proven advantages does maple syrup have over say something something others some other sweet substance that people might buy in a store like honey so this makes sense and if you are a sugar maker you also pay an administrative fee to this organization but again the people who are running this organization staffing at working for it. They're going to say look. We're making ends meet but please stop calling us. Stop calling us tycoons and stuff. Because we're just we're trying to do what's best for everybody. Thing is again the for their involvement weather consensual or nonconsensual. These producers are paid in installments. So like going back to our surplus your example you send in. You've exceeded your quota. How dare you be good at what you do right. How dare you be extraordinary. What you're doing then. You will be paid for the syrup that has to be shipped off to the strategic reserve. But you're paid on kind of a layaway plan. And this has led some unhappy syrup makers to say that. They've they've said they're waiting months or in some cases years for these payments to come in. And if you are paying other bills or cost associated with keeping the lights on etc etc then you can't really go to your utility company and say wait number money. I'll get to you next year. Fingers crossed knock maplewood and you can totally see why the black market feels like it may be a viable option for that individual like you said who needs to make payments to other people while they're waiting on the other. There's certainly are. You know critics of this system from on the proofs or side and one particularly vocal producer who is fighting against f. Pack fpu is an gel gronyea Who was kind of tired of the whole setup. She was sick of cartel pushing her around and decided to take on a direct sales model where she sold her syrup. Right to a distributor bypassing the efc entirely and the police got involved all of her stock that she had warehouse seized and she was slapped with a crippling. Five hundred thousand dollar fine very much. Seems like they're trying to make an example of her so. This is a restricted. Really see problems brewing and ben. I believe this is one of the primary interviewees on that dirty money episode. Yeah this this person who's very outspoken. 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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

22:40 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"The vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies this entire episode. Yeah it's a fascinating process. We spend some time you know especially For those of you all familiar with our all school origins house of works. We would totally spend at our. He'd just exploring how cool this process is but for our purposes today fellow conspiracy realist. It's just important to know how much work goes into each one of those little bottles. The industry today is surprisingly big. There's a lot of. There's a lot of money and maple it turns out by twenty twenty three. This is going to be worth the maple syrup industry alone. It's going to be worth one point. Seven billion dollars. This story may be familiar to some of us listening today because there was a netflix documentary. That came out not too long ago. A great series called dirty money and in one episode in season. One dirty money. They discuss Maple syrup in a way. That's related to this. It turns out officially because of all the time dedicated to creating this. There is a premium price. But it's also only part of the reason there's a premium of price anyway right now when the statistics you'll hear thrown around is accurate but it changes a little bit year over year. A single barrel of maple syrup would be worth around one thousand eight hundred dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars which makes it currently more than twenty times the price of a barrel of oil which is right. Now as we record about seventy three seventy four bucks. That'll that'll change. But they're maple syrup has been more expensive than oil for a long long time. Yeah and it's really great comparison. Because ben isn't joking you're talking around it when he's saying a barrel of this substance d. A barrel of oil is the same as a the the same barrels basically that you can find maple in and and oil in and that also is very important to this story. Yeah yeah forty two gallons. That's how much a Forty two us gallons. That's the size of both of these kinds of barrels so this industry also gets further specialized because is very localized. Maples don't grow everywhere. Maple serves not made everywhere in fact. It's it's pretty much exclusively created in north america. The biggest manufacturer is vermont. That stereotype is true. Vermont is a very big a maple syrup industry at least in the us but that us behemoth is absolutely dwarfed by canada. That's where the real maple action goes down. The province of quebec specifically makes in excess of seventy percent of the world's entire supply of maple syrup and this is why outfits like the economists were investigative reporters carolyn jarvis who appears dirty. Money have called canada. The saudi arabia of maple syrup. It's not just the clever title. It's pretty accurate. It's all intermeshed with the oil industry. Love it yeah. Most people outside of these very specific regions that specialize in producing the stuff Or outside specific industries that are associated normally think about maple syrup Until back in two thousand twelve that is when there was a story that hit the press Where it had been discovered that someone had pulled a heist. Ben you you refer to it as an ocean's eleven level heist with your bag man and you're inside man and all your other doesn't have to be a man but you know in the parlance of heists and this crew If you will were involved in stealing thousands of tonnes Of the stuff and making off with around eighteen point seven million dollars canadian which is around fifteen million usd Worth of maple syrup. And if you were talking about this around the water cooler It might have at the time like tin for most people. i imagine. Strike you as a little bit funny Immediately when you hear somebody stole maple syrup. That's right because what do you do with all that. That's what do you not back in two thousand twelve. That was the immediate question. It's like one of those hikes where you know. I try notices too often air. But oh i've weird thing with dirigibles always joked about stealing blimp airship and the big the reason. That's so humorous is because the hell do you do it where yeah where are you going to put all that maple syrup how do you. How do you explain that. How do you adia launder naples. Syrup offense maple syrup. that's a good question ben. Among the end of the day How is it any different than any. Other valuable commodity. You know 'cause valuable it absolutely is as you mentioned earlier it costs upwards of a under two grand a barrel whereas oil i think is only around seventy five seventy six bucks so i mean absolutely sticky brown is what the stuff is but You know chuckles aside. When the story came through there really is absolutely dark. presumably somewhat sticky underbelly to the world of maple syrup because the story didn't just end up exposing these criminals who did get caught and convicted ultimately expose something else something much deeper and arguably more sinister A multigenerational cartel like operation that spanned decades. You see the economist. And jarvis didn't just say. The canada was the saudi arabia of maple syrup. They went a little further and they said this situation also has an opec yup dares a conspiracy afoot in the land of pancakes waffles. Folks just like the stories diamonds or the early days of light bulbs turns out. Maple syrup is run by a cartel. What are we talking about. We'll tell you after word from our sponsor week one may be over but the season's just getting started at draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl to kick off week to draft. Kings is giving new customers two hundred dollars in free bets instantly when they one dollar on any football game. Listen up because you don't want to miss this head to the draft king sportsbook app now and place a bet of one dollar on any week. 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Football is back and the best bet you can make is downloading the fan duel sportsbook app. It doesn't matter if you're new to gambling or an old pro fan duel has something for everyone and as an official sports betting partner of the nfl. You know your pets are safe. There's also never been a better time to use fan duel because right. Now get up to one thousand dollars back. If you're i bet doesn't win. You can even turn a small wager into a big payday with the same game parlay bet. Just sign up with the promo code spotify to place your i bet risk-free on fan duel sportsbook download duel today twenty one plus and present in. Virginia i online real money wager. Only refund issued as non-withdrawal site credit. That expires in fourteen days. Restrictions apply see terms at sportsbook dot fan duel dot com gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler. Here's where it gets crazy so Let's let's talk just a second about opec. Aright opec is the organization of petroleum exporting countries. You have if you've depending on the kind of news you've read over the years or decades. You've probably heard opec being brought up various times in in the west and that's because opec cat it makes for a very convenient boogeyman especially when you get toil wars and fossil fuel prices because opec is what is known as a cartel usually will we hear the word cartel we associated with drugs cocaine. You know what i mean like. This is This is because we often hear the terms together. We don't hear things like banking cartel right and and even the diamond cartel is very much real. You like nine times out of ten when you hear the word cartel described in the news. It's going to be referring to drugs but what had actually defines is just this. Let's say that. Matt knoll mission control. And i all make out. What's something fund that we make some specific line facific slime for kids. We make we make like that. That kind of let's say it's like a branded k. It's a very specific kind of slide with like nickelodeon gak there. We go so we make we make gac and what we are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we were coming called gacaca. Your company's called gac. It is called matt gak well anyway i. We got lots of room to play with this. We are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we say hey why are we. Are we fighting with each other. You know what i mean. Why why why are we all living within. Like dogs and poppers for a measly twenty five percent of a small piece of pie. We could get together. We can make the pie bigger and we could all profit off and what we would do then. Is we be a group of suppliers or manufacturers and we would conspire with each other literally. Say okay the price of gac no matter what is always going to be arrested development reference is always going to be like what could it cost ten dollars you know. That's that's what we'll do. We'll do it the way they did bananas and then we would say in addition to that four of us are also going to cooperate whether through a transparent legal means or through unethical illegal means to keep all those other dirty competitors out of the game. You know there's there's a they're a bunch of independent producers jack and we are going to destroy them so free market. A cartel is not. Yoda would say a really great example of this isn't a show that i've been watching recently the wire Where there is a group of rival drug dealers who are constantly at each other's throats and warring and dropping bodies in the streets and then They inevitably eventually get together pool. Their resources use their influence to get the best product and then share real estate And then they also use that to vanquish any other competition or if there is competition that's worth bringing into this collusion are cartel type situation. They do that and just absorb them but ultimately is about limiting competition and about kind of the rising tide carrying vessels but also not having any outsiders yet in price-fixing in i think just one minor thing we're missing with the gac version. We're talking about here. is that with most cartels. there's either a natural resource or a resource that is limited. there's limited access to write is all organic exactly making excellent point in the in the gac example you would just it would be more about the things needed to create the gac right so in this in naples. The reason why it's important or like almost like almost needed to have a cartel like this. And i know as a little controversial. We'll get into it. But because there is a limited amount of the stuff in circulation at any given time in controlling that the supply becomes vital to the industry right right it becomes monopolistic and the world of dune by frank. Herbert has an excellent example. Of this. With the spice. This is not based on some sort of made up thing now. The the cartel in question is called the federation of quebec maple syrup producers but the the real name is in french because it's coie it's usually referred to by the acronym fda q this story of the organizations interesting dates back to the nineteen fifties. These guys have been active for a while so over in southern quebec. A group of remember the name sugar makers We're having a hard time because this is this is hard work just like farming. These folks are often the whims of the weather. They don't know what may or may not affect the trees and sometimes it's like active god level disasters so they said look. We can no longer be at the whims of a market. We have to be able to guarantee our survival rival our kids and our businesses. So we're going to get together and we're going to voltron up. We'll collectively market our able syrup. The starts in one thousand nine fifty eight the idea catches on it. Leads to the formation of a larger group ultimately across the entirety of quebec and since nineteen eighty nine all the they're typically called producers all the sugar makers in this f p q have worked together as a cartel. They've set prices and they've also done something else. They've set production quotas. That's the big problem that the us historically had with opec. They we get mad at opec. And i had an old professor years ago. Who said was very nice person but they said opec exists to stop the flow of oil and make it expensive. And i thought it was a little hot take because it didn't seem like a good idea as a business model but it turns out. It's a great ideas business model in some cases especially if you want to enrich a small number of families that own all the oil in the middle east yes or or tycoons like us out so so this is this is again. It's similar to opec it similar to two beers which is the infamous diamond cartel or similar to the feebis cartel. Which is the group that back in the day. Purposefully made light bulbs crappier. Yeah and also just hey. Don't sleep on the diamond. The beers diamond thing that we i think we just put out the classic episode on diamonds on the laura Question i knew the answer. But just hypothetically speaking a cartel isn't inherently illegal. I mean there certainly are illegal. Cartels that traffic in illegal goods but to me the whole purpose of cartel is to limit competition and essentially. Create a monopoly. So is it just kind of like a loophole that allows for a legal monopoly of some sort. And why aren't these challenged. More often by regulators want agree question. Yes the answer is. We'll find verges on the philosophical points but Without sounding too cynical. What i would say that i welcome disagreements with this what i would say. Is that the issue of legality ultimately becomes just an issue of who controls the mechanisms of the state. That's why different countries have different laws. Like if you so so like somebody may consider the activities of a cartel domestically or internationally illegal but if that cartel is powerful enough if they have enough access enough what you would call juice in the wire or suction in the wires. Cited industry makes a lot of money right or if they're industry has already been purchased through perhaps unethical means by the rulers of the country. Then they get to decide what they think is legal or illegal so that's why we have these legal cartels and then there's a greater good argument that comes out and sometimes it's a good faith argument but the the idea here is the idea of what these guys are doing. This group is legal. The government of canada has sanctioned this but not everybody agrees. Because there's very much who watches the watchmen situation anytime you talk about a cartel because you could ask people throughout mining operations run by de beers what they think of the cartel's activities and yes sometimes at being ethical and being legal or not always the same thing you know. Unfortunately it again like we were making these comparisons because it is the best. These are the best ways to actually make these connections and talk about these things but you know the mining operations in some of the horrors. They are very different from you know sugar makers tapping trees right. But also i mean there. That's the thing we we love the complexity of a topic like this. Because it's it's not apples to apples or maples to maples. There is in everyone of. And i'm only saying this to point out that a lot of sugar makers and from what i've seen in the stats in some of the stuff that was shown in that dirty money episode the producers in the sugar makers the vast majority of them are down with this cartel because it helps them individually. Make sure that they're able to sell their product at a good enough price to get loans right and to be able to make enough enough profit off of something that could be not profitable. Yeah it's.

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

23:19 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"Like leave a period of rest in between tapping so that the sap can be replenished or is it a finite amount. I would imagine it's the former yet. Yeah you're correct is the it's the former. There's a finite amount of to be clear. No sugar maker is parasitic or vampiric. Here they're not draining. These trees dry. It's almost like for very crude analogy. It's almost like they're giving blood. Like process of donating. Blood is meant to leave the donor healthy so really responsible vampire. They can fairy lake an ethical kinda vampire. That shops at the vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies this entire episode. Yeah it's a fascinating process. We spend some time you know especially For those of you all familiar with our all school origins house of works. We would totally spend at our. He'd just exploring how cool this process is but for our purposes today fellow conspiracy realist. It's just important to know how much work goes into each one of those little bottles. The industry today is surprisingly big. There's a lot of. There's a lot of money and maple it turns out by twenty twenty three. This is going to be worth the maple syrup industry alone. It's going to be worth one point. Seven billion dollars. This story may be familiar to some of us listening today because there was a netflix documentary. That came out not too long ago. A great series called dirty money and in one episode in season. One dirty money. They discuss Maple syrup in a way. That's related to this. It turns out officially because of all the time dedicated to creating this. There is a premium price. But it's also only part of the reason there's a premium of price anyway right now when the statistics you'll hear thrown around is accurate but it changes a little bit year over year. A single barrel of maple syrup would be worth around one thousand eight hundred dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars which makes it currently more than twenty times the price of a barrel of oil which is right. Now as we record about seventy three seventy four bucks. That'll that'll change. But they're maple syrup has been more expensive than oil for a long long time. Yeah and it's really great comparison. Because ben isn't joking you're talking around it when he's saying a barrel of this substance d. A barrel of oil is the same as a the the same barrels basically that you can find maple in and and oil in and that also is very important to this story. Yeah yeah forty two gallons. That's how much a Forty two us gallons. That's the size of both of these kinds of barrels so this industry also gets further specialized because is very localized. Maples don't grow everywhere. Maple serves not made everywhere in fact. It's it's pretty much exclusively created in north america. The biggest manufacturer is vermont. That stereotype is true. Vermont is a very big a maple syrup industry at least in the us but that us behemoth is absolutely dwarfed by canada. That's where the real maple action goes down. The province of quebec specifically makes in excess of seventy percent of the world's entire supply of maple syrup and this is why outfits like the economists were investigative reporters carolyn jarvis who appears dirty. Money have called canada. The saudi arabia of maple syrup. It's not just the clever title. It's pretty accurate. It's all intermeshed with the oil industry. Love it yeah. Most people outside of these very specific regions that specialize in producing the stuff Or outside specific industries that are associated normally think about maple syrup Until back in two thousand twelve that is when there was a story that hit the press Where it had been discovered that someone had pulled a heist. Ben you you refer to it as an ocean's eleven level heist with your bag man and you're inside man and all your other doesn't have to be a man but you know in the parlance of heists and this crew If you will were involved in stealing thousands of tonnes Of the stuff and making off with around eighteen point seven million dollars canadian which is around fifteen million usd Worth of maple syrup. And if you were talking about this around the water cooler It might have at the time like tin for most people. i imagine. Strike you as a little bit funny Immediately when you hear somebody stole maple syrup. That's right because what do you do with all that. That's what do you not back in two thousand twelve. That was the immediate question. It's like one of those hikes where you know. I try notices too often air. But oh i've weird thing with dirigibles always joked about stealing blimp airship and the big the reason. That's so humorous is because the hell do you do it where yeah where are you going to put all that maple syrup how do you. How do you explain that. How do you adia launder naples. Syrup offense maple syrup. that's a good question ben. Among the end of the day How is it any different than any. Other valuable commodity. You know 'cause valuable it absolutely is as you mentioned earlier it costs upwards of a under two grand a barrel whereas oil i think is only around seventy five seventy six bucks so i mean absolutely sticky brown is what the stuff is but You know chuckles aside. When the story came through there really is absolutely dark. presumably somewhat sticky underbelly to the world of maple syrup because the story didn't just end up exposing these criminals who did get caught and convicted ultimately expose something else something much deeper and arguably more sinister A multigenerational cartel like operation that spanned decades. You see the economist. And jarvis didn't just say. The canada was the saudi arabia of maple syrup. They went a little further and they said this situation also has an opec yup dares a conspiracy afoot in the land of pancakes waffles. Folks just like the stories diamonds or the early days of light bulbs turns out. Maple syrup is run by a cartel. What are we talking about. We'll tell you after word from our sponsor week one may be over but the season's just getting started at draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl to kick off week to draft. Kings is giving new customers two hundred dollars in free bets instantly when they one dollar on any football game. Listen up because you don't want to miss this head to the draft king sportsbook app now and place a bet of one dollar on any week. Two game to receive two hundred dollars in free bets instantly if sportsbook is not yet available in your state draft king still has huge cash prizes up for grabs all season long with their daily contests draft kings giving all new customers a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes with their first deposit. Download the draft kings sportsbook now and use promo code k one to receive two hundred dollars in free bets. When you place a one dollar bet on any football game that's promo code decay one this week. Draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl must be twenty one or older new jersey indiana or pennsylvania only new customers only minimum five dollar deposit in one dollar wager required one per customer restrictions. Apply see draftkings dot com slash sportsbook for details gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler or an indiana one. Eight hundred nine with it. It's good to see the teams back out on the grid. Iron lucky for us. that was just week. One draft kings the official daily fantasy partner of the. Nfl is putting you in the center of the action for week. Two new customers can get a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes with their first deposit by signing up using code target. Get in on the action now. It's simple just pick your lineup. Stay under the salary cap and see how your team stacks up against the competition. Feel the nfl action like never before with a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes. Download the draft kings app now and use code target this week. New customers can get a free shot at millions of dollars. Total prizes enter code target to get a free shot at millions in total prizes with your first deposit. That's code target only at draft kings the official daily fantasy partner of the nfl minimum five dollar deposit required eligibility restrictions. Apply see draft kings dot com for details. This episode is brought to you by federal. Football is back and the best bet you can make is downloading the fan duel sportsbook app. It doesn't matter if you're new to gambling or an old pro fan duel has something for everyone and as an official sports betting partner of the nfl. You know your pets are safe. There's also never been a better time to use fan duel because right. Now get up to one thousand dollars back. If you're i bet doesn't win. You can even turn a small wager into a big payday with the same game parlay bet. Just sign up with the promo code spotify to place your i bet risk-free on fan duel sportsbook download duel today twenty one plus and present in. Virginia i online real money wager. Only refund issued as non-withdrawal site credit. That expires in fourteen days. Restrictions apply see terms at sportsbook dot fan duel dot com gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler. Here's where it gets crazy so Let's let's talk just a second about opec. Aright opec is the organization of petroleum exporting countries. You have if you've depending on the kind of news you've read over the years or decades. You've probably heard opec being brought up various times in in the west and that's because opec cat it makes for a very convenient boogeyman especially when you get toil wars and fossil fuel prices because opec is what is known as a cartel usually will we hear the word cartel we associated with drugs cocaine. You know what i mean like. This is This is because we often hear the terms together. We don't hear things like banking cartel right and and even the diamond cartel is very much real. You like nine times out of ten when you hear the word cartel described in the news. It's going to be referring to drugs but what had actually defines is just this. Let's say that. Matt knoll mission control. And i all make out. What's something fund that we make some specific line facific slime for kids. We make we make like that. That kind of let's say it's like a branded k. It's a very specific kind of slide with like nickelodeon gak there. We go so we make we make gac and what we are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we were coming called gacaca. Your company's called gac. It is called matt gak well anyway i. We got lots of room to play with this. We are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we say hey why are we. Are we fighting with each other. You know what i mean. Why why why are we all living within. Like dogs and poppers for a measly twenty five percent of a small piece of pie. We could get together. We can make the pie bigger and we could all profit off and what we would do then. Is we be a group of suppliers or manufacturers and we would conspire with each other literally. Say okay the price of gac no matter what is always going to be arrested development reference is always going to be like what could it cost ten dollars you know. That's that's what we'll do. We'll do it the way they did bananas and then we would say in addition to that four of us are also going to cooperate whether through a transparent legal means or through unethical illegal means to keep all those other dirty competitors out of the game. You know there's there's a they're a bunch of independent producers jack and we are going to destroy them so free market. A cartel is not. Yoda would say a really great example of this isn't a show that i've been watching recently the wire Where there is a group of rival drug dealers who are constantly at each other's throats and warring and dropping bodies in the streets and then They inevitably eventually get together pool. Their resources use their influence to get the best product and then share real estate And then they also use that to vanquish any other competition or if there is competition that's worth bringing into this collusion are cartel type situation. They do that and just absorb them but ultimately is about limiting competition and about kind of the rising tide carrying vessels but also not having any outsiders yet in price-fixing in i think just one minor thing we're missing with the gac version. We're talking about here. is that with most cartels. there's either a natural resource or a resource that is limited. there's limited access to write is all organic exactly making excellent point in the in the gac example you would just it would be more about the things needed to create the gac right so in this in naples. The reason why it's important or like almost like almost needed to have a cartel like this. And i know as a little controversial. We'll get into it. But because there is a limited amount of the stuff in circulation at any given time in controlling that the supply becomes vital to the industry right right it becomes monopolistic and the world of dune by frank. Herbert has an excellent example. Of this. With the spice. This is not based on some sort of made up thing now. The the cartel in question is called the federation of quebec maple syrup producers but the the real name is in french because it's coie it's usually referred to by the acronym fda q this story of the organizations interesting dates back to the nineteen fifties. These guys have been active for a while so over in southern quebec. A group of remember the name sugar makers We're having a hard time because this is this is hard work just like farming. These folks are often the whims of the weather. They don't know what may or may not affect the trees and sometimes it's like active god level disasters so they said look. We can no longer be at the whims of a market. We have to be able to guarantee our survival rival our kids and our businesses. So we're going to get together and we're going to voltron up. We'll collectively market our able syrup. The starts in one thousand nine fifty eight the idea catches on it. Leads to the formation of a larger group ultimately across the entirety of quebec and since nineteen eighty nine all the they're typically called producers all the sugar makers in this f p q have worked together as a cartel. They've set prices and they've also done something else. They've set production quotas. That's the big problem that the us historically had with opec. They we get mad at opec. And i had an old professor years ago. Who said was very nice person but they said opec exists to stop the flow of oil and make it expensive. And i thought it was a little hot take because it didn't seem like a good idea as a business model but it turns out. It's a great ideas business model in some cases especially if you want to enrich a small number of families that own all the oil in the middle east yes or or tycoons like us out so so this is this is again. It's similar to opec it similar to two beers which is the infamous diamond cartel or similar to the feebis cartel. Which is the group that back in the day. Purposefully made light bulbs crappier. Yeah and also just hey. Don't sleep on the diamond. The beers diamond thing that we i think we just put out the classic episode on diamonds on the laura Question i knew the answer. But just hypothetically speaking a cartel isn't inherently illegal. I mean there certainly are illegal. Cartels that traffic in illegal goods but to me the whole purpose of cartel is to limit competition and essentially. Create a monopoly. So is it just kind of like a loophole that allows for a legal monopoly of some sort. And why aren't these challenged. More often by regulators want agree question. Yes the answer is. We'll find verges on the philosophical points but Without sounding too cynical. What i would say that i welcome disagreements with this what i would say. Is that the issue of legality ultimately becomes just an issue of who controls the mechanisms of the state. That's why different countries have different laws. Like if you so so like somebody may consider the activities of a cartel domestically or internationally illegal but if that cartel is powerful enough if they have enough access enough what you would call juice in the wire or suction in the wires. Cited industry makes a lot of money right or if they're industry has already been purchased through perhaps unethical means by the rulers of the country. Then they get to decide what they think is legal or illegal so that's why we have these legal cartels and then there's a greater good argument that comes out and sometimes it's a good faith argument but the the idea here is the idea of what these guys are doing. This group is legal. The government of canada has sanctioned this but not everybody agrees. Because there's very much who watches the watchmen situation anytime you talk about a cartel because you could ask people throughout mining operations run by de beers what they think of the cartel's activities and yes sometimes at being ethical and being legal or not always the same thing you know. Unfortunately it again like we were making these comparisons because it is the best. These are the best ways to actually make these connections and talk about these things but you know the mining operations in some of the horrors. They are very different from you know sugar makers tapping trees right. But also i mean there. That's the thing we we love the complexity of a topic like this. Because it's it's not apples to apples or maples to maples. There is in everyone of. And i'm only saying this to point out that a lot of sugar makers and from what i've seen in the stats in some of the stuff that was shown in that dirty money episode the producers in the sugar makers the vast majority of them are down with this cartel because it helps them individually. Make sure that they're able to sell their product at a good enough price to get loans right and to be able to make enough enough profit off of something that could be not profitable. Yeah it's.

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

07:48 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"Here's where it gets crazy so Let's let's talk just a second about opec. Aright opec is the organization of petroleum exporting countries. You have if you've depending on the kind of news you've read over the years or decades. You've probably heard opec being brought up various times in in the west and that's because opec cat it makes for a very convenient boogeyman especially when you get toil wars and fossil fuel prices because opec is what is known as a cartel usually will we hear the word cartel we associated with drugs cocaine. You know what i mean like. This is This is because we often hear the terms together. We don't hear things like banking cartel right and and even the diamond cartel is very much real. You like nine times out of ten when you hear the word cartel described in the news. It's going to be referring to drugs but what had actually defines is just this. Let's say that. Matt knoll mission control. And i all make out. What's something fund that we make some specific line facific slime for kids. We make we make like that. That kind of let's say it's like a branded k. It's a very specific kind of slide with like nickelodeon gak there. We go so we make we make gac and what we are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we were coming called gacaca. Your company's called gac. It is called matt gak well anyway i. We got lots of room to play with this. We are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we say hey why are we. Are we fighting with each other. You know what i mean. Why why why are we all living within. Like dogs and poppers for a measly twenty five percent of a small piece of pie. We could get together. We can make the pie bigger and we could all profit off and what we would do then. Is we be a group of suppliers or manufacturers and we would conspire with each other literally. Say okay the price of gac no matter what is always going to be arrested development reference is always going to be like what could it cost ten dollars you know. That's that's what we'll do. We'll do it the way they did bananas and then we would say in addition to that four of us are also going to cooperate whether through a transparent legal means or through unethical illegal means to keep all those other dirty competitors out of the game. You know there's there's a they're a bunch of independent producers jack and we are going to destroy them so free market. A cartel is not. Yoda would say a really great example of this isn't a show that i've been watching recently the wire Where there is a group of rival drug dealers who are constantly at each other's throats and warring and dropping bodies in the streets and then They inevitably eventually get together pool. Their resources use their influence to get the best product and then share real estate And then they also use that to vanquish any other competition or if there is competition that's worth bringing into this collusion are cartel type situation. They do that and just absorb them but ultimately is about limiting competition and about kind of the rising tide carrying vessels but also not having any outsiders yet in price-fixing in i think just one minor thing we're missing with the gac version. We're talking about here. is that with most cartels. there's either a natural resource or a resource that is limited. there's limited access to write is all organic exactly making excellent point in the in the gac example you would just it would be more about the things needed to create the gac right so in this in naples. The reason why it's important or like almost like almost needed to have a cartel like this. And i know as a little controversial. We'll get into it. But because there is a limited amount of the stuff in circulation at any given time in controlling that the supply becomes vital to the industry right right it becomes monopolistic and the world of dune by frank. Herbert has an excellent example. Of this. With the spice. This is not based on some sort of made up thing now. The the cartel in question is called the federation of quebec maple syrup producers but the the real name is in french because it's coie it's usually referred to by the acronym fda q this story of the organizations interesting dates back to the nineteen fifties. These guys have been active for a while so over in southern quebec. A group of remember the name sugar makers We're having a hard time because this is this is hard work just like farming. These folks are often the whims of the weather. They don't know what may or may not affect the trees and sometimes it's like active god level disasters so they said look. We can no longer be at the whims of a market. We have to be able to guarantee our survival rival our kids and our businesses. So we're going to get together and we're going to voltron up. We'll collectively market our able syrup. The starts in one thousand nine fifty eight the idea catches on it. Leads to the formation of a larger group ultimately across the entirety of quebec and since nineteen eighty nine all the they're typically called producers all the sugar makers in this f p q have worked together as a cartel. They've set prices and they've also done something else. They've set production quotas. That's the big problem that the us historically had with opec. They we get mad at opec. And i had an old professor years ago. Who said was very nice person but they said opec exists to stop the flow of oil and make it expensive. And i thought it was a little hot take because it didn't seem like a good idea as a business model but it turns out. It's a great ideas business model in some cases especially if you want to enrich a small number of families that own all the oil in the middle east yes or or tycoons like us out so so this is this is again. It's similar to opec it similar to two beers which is the infamous diamond cartel or similar to the feebis cartel. Which is the group that back in the day. Purposefully made light bulbs crappier. Yeah and also just hey. Don't sleep on the diamond. The beers diamond thing that we i think we just put out the classic episode on diamonds on the laura.

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

07:01 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"You know what i mean like. This is This is because we often hear the terms together. We don't hear things like banking cartel right and and even the diamond cartel is very much real. You like nine times out of ten when you hear the word cartel described in the news. It's going to be referring to drugs but what had actually defines is just this. Let's say that. Matt knoll mission control. And i all make out. What's something fund that we make some specific line facific slime for kids. We make we make like that. That kind of let's say it's like a branded k. It's a very specific kind of slide with like nickelodeon gak there. We go so we make we make gac and what we are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we were coming called gacaca. Your company's called gac. It is called matt gak well anyway i. We got lots of room to play with this. We are the four largest manufacturers of gac and we say hey why are we. Are we fighting with each other. You know what i mean. Why why why are we all living within. Like dogs and poppers for a measly twenty five percent of a small piece of pie. We could get together. We can make the pie bigger and we could all profit off and what we would do then. Is we be a group of suppliers or manufacturers and we would conspire with each other literally. Say okay the price of gac no matter what is always going to be arrested development reference is always going to be like what could it cost ten dollars you know. That's that's what we'll do. We'll do it the way they did bananas and then we would say in addition to that four of us are also going to cooperate whether through a transparent legal means or through unethical illegal means to keep all those other dirty competitors out of the game. You know there's there's a they're a bunch of independent producers jack and we are going to destroy them so free market. A cartel is not. Yoda would say a really great example of this isn't a show that i've been watching recently the wire Where there is a group of rival drug dealers who are constantly at each other's throats and warring and dropping bodies in the streets and then They inevitably eventually get together pool. Their resources use their influence to get the best product and then share real estate And then they also use that to vanquish any other competition or if there is competition that's worth bringing into this collusion are cartel type situation. They do that and just absorb them but ultimately is about limiting competition and about kind of the rising tide carrying vessels but also not having any outsiders yet in price-fixing in i think just one minor thing we're missing with the gac version. We're talking about here. is that with most cartels. there's either a natural resource or a resource that is limited. there's limited access to write is all organic exactly making excellent point in the in the gac example you would just it would be more about the things needed to create the gac right so in this in naples. The reason why it's important or like almost like almost needed to have a cartel like this. And i know as a little controversial. We'll get into it. But because there is a limited amount of the stuff in circulation at any given time in controlling that the supply becomes vital to the industry right right it becomes monopolistic and the world of dune by frank. Herbert has an excellent example. Of this. With the spice. This is not based on some sort of made up thing now. The the cartel in question is called the federation of quebec maple syrup producers but the the real name is in french because it's coie it's usually referred to by the acronym fda q this story of the organizations interesting dates back to the nineteen fifties. These guys have been active for a while so over in southern quebec. A group of remember the name sugar makers We're having a hard time because this is this is hard work just like farming. These folks are often the whims of the weather. They don't know what may or may not affect the trees and sometimes it's like active god level disasters so they said look. We can no longer be at the whims of a market. We have to be able to guarantee our survival rival our kids and our businesses. So we're going to get together and we're going to voltron up. We'll collectively market our able syrup. The starts in one thousand nine fifty eight the idea catches on it. Leads to the formation of a larger group ultimately across the entirety of quebec and since nineteen eighty nine all the they're typically called producers all the sugar makers in this f p q have worked together as a cartel. They've set prices and they've also done something else. They've set production quotas. That's the big problem that the us historically had with opec. They we get mad at opec. And i had an old professor years ago. Who said was very nice person but they said opec exists to stop the flow of oil and make it expensive. And i thought it was a little hot take because it didn't seem like a good idea as a business model but it turns out. It's a great ideas business model in some cases especially if you want to enrich a small number of families that own all the oil in the middle east yes or or tycoons like us out so so this is this is again. It's similar to opec it similar to two beers which is the infamous diamond cartel or similar to the feebis cartel. Which is the group that back in the day. Purposefully made light bulbs crappier. Yeah and also just hey. Don't sleep on the diamond. The beers diamond thing that we i think we just put out the classic episode on diamonds on the laura.

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

13:24 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"Tubing and everything just that if you mess up and you tap the tree wrong were in the wrong place or too many times and you lose that. Imagine you're losing forty years minimum of effort to get that tree to where it needs to be to even be topical. So that's why that's why it is such there's so much of an art to it in and a science to making it work sweetie song is actually about tapping i was gonna ask. I is it because it replenishes itself over time lead you have to give like leave a period of rest in between tapping so that the sap can be replenished or is it a finite amount. I would imagine it's the former yet. Yeah you're correct is the it's the former. There's a finite amount of to be clear. No sugar maker is parasitic or vampiric. Here they're not draining. These trees dry. It's almost like for very crude analogy. It's almost like they're giving blood. Like process of donating. Blood is meant to leave the donor healthy so really responsible vampire. They can fairy lake an ethical kinda vampire. That shops at the vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies this entire episode. Yeah it's a fascinating process. We spend some time you know especially For those of you all familiar with our all school origins house of works. We would totally spend at our. He'd just exploring how cool this process is but for our purposes today fellow conspiracy realist. It's just important to know how much work goes into each one of those little bottles. The industry today is surprisingly big. There's a lot of. There's a lot of money and maple it turns out by twenty twenty three. This is going to be worth the maple syrup industry alone. It's going to be worth one point. Seven billion dollars. This story may be familiar to some of us listening today because there was a netflix documentary. That came out not too long ago. A great series called dirty money and in one episode in season. One dirty money. They discuss Maple syrup in a way. That's related to this. It turns out officially because of all the time dedicated to creating this. There is a premium price. But it's also only part of the reason there's a premium of price anyway right now when the statistics you'll hear thrown around is accurate but it changes a little bit year over year. A single barrel of maple syrup would be worth around one thousand eight hundred dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars which makes it currently more than twenty times the price of a barrel of oil which is right. Now as we record about seventy three seventy four bucks. That'll that'll change. But they're maple syrup has been more expensive than oil for a long long time. Yeah and it's really great comparison. Because ben isn't joking you're talking around it when he's saying a barrel of this substance d. A barrel of oil is the same as a the the same barrels basically that you can find maple in and and oil in and that also is very important to this story. Yeah yeah forty two gallons. That's how much a Forty two us gallons. That's the size of both of these kinds of barrels so this industry also gets further specialized because is very localized. Maples don't grow everywhere. Maple serves not made everywhere in fact. It's it's pretty much exclusively created in north america. The biggest manufacturer is vermont. That stereotype is true. Vermont is a very big a maple syrup industry at least in the us but that us behemoth is absolutely dwarfed by canada. That's where the real maple action goes down. The province of quebec specifically makes in excess of seventy percent of the world's entire supply of maple syrup and this is why outfits like the economists were investigative reporters carolyn jarvis who appears dirty. Money have called canada. The saudi arabia of maple syrup. It's not just the clever title. It's pretty accurate. It's all intermeshed with the oil industry. Love it yeah. Most people outside of these very specific regions that specialize in producing the stuff Or outside specific industries that are associated normally think about maple syrup Until back in two thousand twelve that is when there was a story that hit the press Where it had been discovered that someone had pulled a heist. Ben you you refer to it as an ocean's eleven level heist with your bag man and you're inside man and all your other doesn't have to be a man but you know in the parlance of heists and this crew If you will were involved in stealing thousands of tonnes Of the stuff and making off with around eighteen point seven million dollars canadian which is around fifteen million usd Worth of maple syrup. And if you were talking about this around the water cooler It might have at the time like tin for most people. i imagine. Strike you as a little bit funny Immediately when you hear somebody stole maple syrup. That's right because what do you do with all that. That's what do you not back in two thousand twelve. That was the immediate question. It's like one of those hikes where you know. I try notices too often air. But oh i've weird thing with dirigibles always joked about stealing blimp airship and the big the reason. That's so humorous is because the hell do you do it where yeah where are you going to put all that maple syrup how do you. How do you explain that. How do you adia launder naples. Syrup offense maple syrup. that's a good question ben. Among the end of the day How is it any different than any. Other valuable commodity. You know 'cause valuable it absolutely is as you mentioned earlier it costs upwards of a under two grand a barrel whereas oil i think is only around seventy five seventy six bucks so i mean absolutely sticky brown is what the stuff is but You know chuckles aside. When the story came through there really is absolutely dark. presumably somewhat sticky underbelly to the world of maple syrup because the story didn't just end up exposing these criminals who did get caught and convicted ultimately expose something else something much deeper and arguably more sinister A multigenerational cartel like operation that spanned decades. You see the economist. And jarvis didn't just say. The canada was the saudi arabia of maple syrup. They went a little further and they said this situation also has an opec yup dares a conspiracy afoot in the land of pancakes waffles. Folks just like the stories diamonds or the early days of light bulbs turns out. Maple syrup is run by a cartel. What are we talking about. We'll tell you after word from our sponsor week one may be over but the season's just getting started at draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl to kick off week to draft. Kings is giving new customers two hundred dollars in free bets instantly when they one dollar on any football game. Listen up because you don't want to miss this head to the draft king sportsbook app now and place a bet of one dollar on any week. 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Aright opec is the organization of petroleum exporting countries. You have if you've depending on the kind of news you've read over the years or decades. You've probably heard opec being brought up various times in in the west and that's because opec cat it makes for a very convenient boogeyman especially when you get toil wars and fossil fuel prices because opec is what is known as a cartel usually will we hear the word cartel we associated with drugs cocaine..

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

13:53 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"Made much more efficient. It's funny it almost reminds me of those old I believe tropicana orange juice ads. Where it was just like a straw shoved into the orange. The implication being that it's like it comes you know it's the freshest you can get without sucking it straight from the orange but it's about that low tech even in the modern day i mean you're literally shoving thing into the tree that is then pulling the draining the sap out into some receptacle but yeah and ben made a really really great point just before we got into the tubing and everything just that if you mess up and you tap the tree wrong were in the wrong place or too many times and you lose that. Imagine you're losing forty years minimum of effort to get that tree to where it needs to be to even be topical. So that's why that's why it is such there's so much of an art to it in and a science to making it work sweetie song is actually about tapping i was gonna ask. I is it because it replenishes itself over time lead you have to give like leave a period of rest in between tapping so that the sap can be replenished or is it a finite amount. I would imagine it's the former yet. Yeah you're correct is the it's the former. There's a finite amount of to be clear. No sugar maker is parasitic or vampiric. Here they're not draining. These trees dry. It's almost like for very crude analogy. It's almost like they're giving blood. Like process of donating. Blood is meant to leave the donor healthy so really responsible vampire. They can fairy lake an ethical kinda vampire. That shops at the vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies this entire episode. Yeah it's a fascinating process. We spend some time you know especially For those of you all familiar with our all school origins house of works. We would totally spend at our. He'd just exploring how cool this process is but for our purposes today fellow conspiracy realist. It's just important to know how much work goes into each one of those little bottles. The industry today is surprisingly big. There's a lot of. There's a lot of money and maple it turns out by twenty twenty three. This is going to be worth the maple syrup industry alone. It's going to be worth one point. Seven billion dollars. This story may be familiar to some of us listening today because there was a netflix documentary. That came out not too long ago. A great series called dirty money and in one episode in season. One dirty money. They discuss Maple syrup in a way. That's related to this. It turns out officially because of all the time dedicated to creating this. There is a premium price. But it's also only part of the reason there's a premium of price anyway right now when the statistics you'll hear thrown around is accurate but it changes a little bit year over year. A single barrel of maple syrup would be worth around one thousand eight hundred dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars which makes it currently more than twenty times the price of a barrel of oil which is right. Now as we record about seventy three seventy four bucks. That'll that'll change. But they're maple syrup has been more expensive than oil for a long long time. Yeah and it's really great comparison. Because ben isn't joking you're talking around it when he's saying a barrel of this substance d. A barrel of oil is the same as a the the same barrels basically that you can find maple in and and oil in and that also is very important to this story. Yeah yeah forty two gallons. That's how much a Forty two us gallons. That's the size of both of these kinds of barrels so this industry also gets further specialized because is very localized. Maples don't grow everywhere. Maple serves not made everywhere in fact. It's it's pretty much exclusively created in north america. The biggest manufacturer is vermont. That stereotype is true. Vermont is a very big a maple syrup industry at least in the us but that us behemoth is absolutely dwarfed by canada. That's where the real maple action goes down. The province of quebec specifically makes in excess of seventy percent of the world's entire supply of maple syrup and this is why outfits like the economists were investigative reporters carolyn jarvis who appears dirty. Money have called canada. The saudi arabia of maple syrup. It's not just the clever title. It's pretty accurate. It's all intermeshed with the oil industry. Love it yeah. Most people outside of these very specific regions that specialize in producing the stuff Or outside specific industries that are associated normally think about maple syrup Until back in two thousand twelve that is when there was a story that hit the press Where it had been discovered that someone had pulled a heist. Ben you you refer to it as an ocean's eleven level heist with your bag man and you're inside man and all your other doesn't have to be a man but you know in the parlance of heists and this crew If you will were involved in stealing thousands of tonnes Of the stuff and making off with around eighteen point seven million dollars canadian which is around fifteen million usd Worth of maple syrup. And if you were talking about this around the water cooler It might have at the time like tin for most people. i imagine. Strike you as a little bit funny Immediately when you hear somebody stole maple syrup. That's right because what do you do with all that. That's what do you not back in two thousand twelve. That was the immediate question. It's like one of those hikes where you know. I try notices too often air. But oh i've weird thing with dirigibles always joked about stealing blimp airship and the big the reason. That's so humorous is because the hell do you do it where yeah where are you going to put all that maple syrup how do you. How do you explain that. How do you adia launder naples. Syrup offense maple syrup. that's a good question ben. Among the end of the day How is it any different than any. Other valuable commodity. You know 'cause valuable it absolutely is as you mentioned earlier it costs upwards of a under two grand a barrel whereas oil i think is only around seventy five seventy six bucks so i mean absolutely sticky brown is what the stuff is but You know chuckles aside. When the story came through there really is absolutely dark. presumably somewhat sticky underbelly to the world of maple syrup because the story didn't just end up exposing these criminals who did get caught and convicted ultimately expose something else something much deeper and arguably more sinister A multigenerational cartel like operation that spanned decades. You see the economist. And jarvis didn't just say. The canada was the saudi arabia of maple syrup. They went a little further and they said this situation also has an opec yup dares a conspiracy afoot in the land of pancakes waffles. Folks just like the stories diamonds or the early days of light bulbs turns out. Maple syrup is run by a cartel. What are we talking about. We'll tell you after word from our sponsor week one may be over but the season's just getting started at draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl to kick off week to draft. Kings is giving new customers two hundred dollars in free bets instantly when they one dollar on any football game. Listen up because you don't want to miss this head to the draft king sportsbook app now and place a bet of one dollar on any week. Two game to receive two hundred dollars in free bets instantly if sportsbook is not yet available in your state draft king still has huge cash prizes up for grabs all season long with their daily contests draft kings giving all new customers a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes with their first deposit. Download the draft kings sportsbook now and use promo code k one to receive two hundred dollars in free bets. When you place a one dollar bet on any football game that's promo code decay one this week. Draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl must be twenty one or older new jersey indiana or pennsylvania only new customers only minimum five dollar deposit in one dollar wager required one per customer restrictions. Apply see draftkings dot com slash sportsbook for details gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler or an indiana one. Eight hundred nine with it. It's good to see the teams back out on the grid. Iron lucky for us. that was just week. One draft kings the official daily fantasy partner of the. Nfl is putting you in the center of the action for week. Two new customers can get a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes with their first deposit by signing up using code target. Get in on the action now. It's simple just pick your lineup. Stay under the salary cap and see how your team stacks up against the competition. Feel the nfl action like never before with a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes. Download the draft kings app now and use code target this week. New customers can get a free shot at millions of dollars. Total prizes enter code target to get a free shot at millions in total prizes with your first deposit. That's code target only at draft kings the official daily fantasy partner of the nfl minimum five dollar deposit required eligibility restrictions. Apply see draft kings dot com for details. This episode is brought to you by federal. Football is back and the best bet you can make is downloading the fan duel sportsbook app. It doesn't matter if you're new to gambling or an old pro fan duel has something for everyone and as an official sports betting partner of the nfl. You know your pets are safe. There's also never been a better time to use fan duel because right. Now get up to one thousand dollars back. If you're i bet doesn't win. You can even turn a small wager into a big payday with the same game parlay bet. Just sign up with the promo code spotify to place your i bet risk-free on fan duel sportsbook download duel today twenty one plus and present in. Virginia i online real money wager. Only refund issued as non-withdrawal site credit. That expires in fourteen days. Restrictions apply see terms at sportsbook dot fan duel dot com gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler. Here's where it gets crazy so Let's let's talk just a second about opec. Aright opec is the organization of petroleum exporting countries. You have if you've depending on the kind of news you've read over the years or decades. You've probably heard opec being brought up various times in in the west and that's because opec cat it makes for a very convenient boogeyman especially when you get toil wars and fossil fuel prices because opec is what is known as a cartel usually will we hear the word cartel we associated with drugs cocaine..

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

13:32 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"Wooden tube. Let's say that would come out like a spout almost or did just kind of goes down in his angled down. And then you'd hang a bucket onto that wouldn't peace or at least you'd get a bucket very close to where that wooden pieces. It's actually tapping the tree that bucket would fill up. And then you take the bucket over dump it into wherever you collect and then like sometimes like a big pan and exactly you would boil you. Boil the sap down near reducing it to something something thicker plastic change. This operation made much more efficient. It's funny it almost reminds me of those old I believe tropicana orange juice ads. Where it was just like a straw shoved into the orange. The implication being that it's like it comes you know it's the freshest you can get without sucking it straight from the orange but it's about that low tech even in the modern day i mean you're literally shoving thing into the tree that is then pulling the draining the sap out into some receptacle but yeah and ben made a really really great point just before we got into the tubing and everything just that if you mess up and you tap the tree wrong were in the wrong place or too many times and you lose that. Imagine you're losing forty years minimum of effort to get that tree to where it needs to be to even be topical. So that's why that's why it is such there's so much of an art to it in and a science to making it work sweetie song is actually about tapping i was gonna ask. I is it because it replenishes itself over time lead you have to give like leave a period of rest in between tapping so that the sap can be replenished or is it a finite amount. I would imagine it's the former yet. Yeah you're correct is the it's the former. There's a finite amount of to be clear. No sugar maker is parasitic or vampiric. Here they're not draining. These trees dry. It's almost like for very crude analogy. It's almost like they're giving blood. Like process of donating. Blood is meant to leave the donor healthy so really responsible vampire. They can fairy lake an ethical kinda vampire. That shops at the vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies this entire episode. Yeah it's a fascinating process. We spend some time you know especially For those of you all familiar with our all school origins house of works. We would totally spend at our. He'd just exploring how cool this process is but for our purposes today fellow conspiracy realist. It's just important to know how much work goes into each one of those little bottles. The industry today is surprisingly big. There's a lot of. There's a lot of money and maple it turns out by twenty twenty three. This is going to be worth the maple syrup industry alone. It's going to be worth one point. Seven billion dollars. This story may be familiar to some of us listening today because there was a netflix documentary. That came out not too long ago. A great series called dirty money and in one episode in season. One dirty money. They discuss Maple syrup in a way. That's related to this. It turns out officially because of all the time dedicated to creating this. There is a premium price. But it's also only part of the reason there's a premium of price anyway right now when the statistics you'll hear thrown around is accurate but it changes a little bit year over year. A single barrel of maple syrup would be worth around one thousand eight hundred dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars which makes it currently more than twenty times the price of a barrel of oil which is right. Now as we record about seventy three seventy four bucks. That'll that'll change. But they're maple syrup has been more expensive than oil for a long long time. Yeah and it's really great comparison. Because ben isn't joking you're talking around it when he's saying a barrel of this substance d. A barrel of oil is the same as a the the same barrels basically that you can find maple in and and oil in and that also is very important to this story. Yeah yeah forty two gallons. That's how much a Forty two us gallons. That's the size of both of these kinds of barrels so this industry also gets further specialized because is very localized. Maples don't grow everywhere. Maple serves not made everywhere in fact. It's it's pretty much exclusively created in north america. The biggest manufacturer is vermont. That stereotype is true. Vermont is a very big a maple syrup industry at least in the us but that us behemoth is absolutely dwarfed by canada. That's where the real maple action goes down. The province of quebec specifically makes in excess of seventy percent of the world's entire supply of maple syrup and this is why outfits like the economists were investigative reporters carolyn jarvis who appears dirty. Money have called canada. The saudi arabia of maple syrup. It's not just the clever title. It's pretty accurate. It's all intermeshed with the oil industry. Love it yeah. Most people outside of these very specific regions that specialize in producing the stuff Or outside specific industries that are associated normally think about maple syrup Until back in two thousand twelve that is when there was a story that hit the press Where it had been discovered that someone had pulled a heist. Ben you you refer to it as an ocean's eleven level heist with your bag man and you're inside man and all your other doesn't have to be a man but you know in the parlance of heists and this crew If you will were involved in stealing thousands of tonnes Of the stuff and making off with around eighteen point seven million dollars canadian which is around fifteen million usd Worth of maple syrup. And if you were talking about this around the water cooler It might have at the time like tin for most people. i imagine. Strike you as a little bit funny Immediately when you hear somebody stole maple syrup. That's right because what do you do with all that. That's what do you not back in two thousand twelve. That was the immediate question. It's like one of those hikes where you know. I try notices too often air. But oh i've weird thing with dirigibles always joked about stealing blimp airship and the big the reason. That's so humorous is because the hell do you do it where yeah where are you going to put all that maple syrup how do you. How do you explain that. How do you adia launder naples. Syrup offense maple syrup. that's a good question ben. Among the end of the day How is it any different than any. Other valuable commodity. You know 'cause valuable it absolutely is as you mentioned earlier it costs upwards of a under two grand a barrel whereas oil i think is only around seventy five seventy six bucks so i mean absolutely sticky brown is what the stuff is but You know chuckles aside. When the story came through there really is absolutely dark. presumably somewhat sticky underbelly to the world of maple syrup because the story didn't just end up exposing these criminals who did get caught and convicted ultimately expose something else something much deeper and arguably more sinister A multigenerational cartel like operation that spanned decades. You see the economist. And jarvis didn't just say. The canada was the saudi arabia of maple syrup. They went a little further and they said this situation also has an opec yup dares a conspiracy afoot in the land of pancakes waffles. Folks just like the stories diamonds or the early days of light bulbs turns out. Maple syrup is run by a cartel. What are we talking about. We'll tell you after word from our sponsor week one may be over but the season's just getting started at draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl to kick off week to draft. Kings is giving new customers two hundred dollars in free bets instantly when they one dollar on any football game. Listen up because you don't want to miss this head to the draft king sportsbook app now and place a bet of one dollar on any week. Two game to receive two hundred dollars in free bets instantly if sportsbook is not yet available in your state draft king still has huge cash prizes up for grabs all season long with their daily contests draft kings giving all new customers a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes with their first deposit. Download the draft kings sportsbook now and use promo code k one to receive two hundred dollars in free bets. When you place a one dollar bet on any football game that's promo code decay one this week. Draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl must be twenty one or older new jersey indiana or pennsylvania only new customers only minimum five dollar deposit in one dollar wager required one per customer restrictions. Apply see draftkings dot com slash sportsbook for details gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler or an indiana one. Eight hundred nine with it. It's good to see the teams back out on the grid. Iron lucky for us. that was just week. One draft kings the official daily fantasy partner of the. Nfl is putting you in the center of the action for week. Two new customers can get a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes with their first deposit by signing up using code target. Get in on the action now. It's simple just pick your lineup. Stay under the salary cap and see how your team stacks up against the competition. Feel the nfl action like never before with a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes. Download the draft kings app now and use code target this week. New customers can get a free shot at millions of dollars. Total prizes enter code target to get a free shot at millions in total prizes with your first deposit. That's code target only at draft kings the official daily fantasy partner of the nfl minimum five dollar deposit required eligibility restrictions. Apply see draft kings dot com for details. This episode is brought to you by federal. Football is back and the best bet you can make is downloading the fan duel sportsbook app. It doesn't matter if you're new to gambling or an old pro fan duel has something for everyone and as an official sports betting partner of the nfl. You know your pets are safe. There's also never been a better time to use fan duel because right. Now get up to one thousand dollars back. If you're i bet doesn't win. You can even turn a small wager into a big payday with the same game parlay bet. Just sign up with the promo code spotify to place your i bet risk-free on fan duel sportsbook download duel today twenty one plus and present in. Virginia i online real money wager. Only refund issued as non-withdrawal site credit. That expires in fourteen days. Restrictions apply see terms at sportsbook dot fan duel dot com gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler..

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

14:51 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"Take it all at once but think of it this way. So the people who tap these trees they are called sugar makers which i think is tremendously sweet several levels and they they're part of where the art and the science really me to do this successfully. They need to have a very deep understanding of each tree like they tend to know what's history they know if they had any problems with bugs or some kind of rot got to it and they take immense pains not to do any lasting harm because if everything goes well these trees can be tapped again and again multiple times over a long period of time like a century or more and matt. I'd love to hear a little more about that sap collection process because it a changed over time right. Oh yeah before. The invention of i guess modern plastics and You know just some innovation the way he would tap an old maple back in the day is you would have you would do the you have to get a hole into the tree itself but before it was just this kind of wooden like a wooden tube. Let's say that would come out like a spout almost or did just kind of goes down in his angled down. And then you'd hang a bucket onto that wouldn't peace or at least you'd get a bucket very close to where that wooden pieces. It's actually tapping the tree that bucket would fill up. And then you take the bucket over dump it into wherever you collect and then like sometimes like a big pan and exactly you would boil you. Boil the sap down near reducing it to something something thicker plastic change. This operation made much more efficient. It's funny it almost reminds me of those old I believe tropicana orange juice ads. Where it was just like a straw shoved into the orange. The implication being that it's like it comes you know it's the freshest you can get without sucking it straight from the orange but it's about that low tech even in the modern day i mean you're literally shoving thing into the tree that is then pulling the draining the sap out into some receptacle but yeah and ben made a really really great point just before we got into the tubing and everything just that if you mess up and you tap the tree wrong were in the wrong place or too many times and you lose that. Imagine you're losing forty years minimum of effort to get that tree to where it needs to be to even be topical. So that's why that's why it is such there's so much of an art to it in and a science to making it work sweetie song is actually about tapping i was gonna ask. I is it because it replenishes itself over time lead you have to give like leave a period of rest in between tapping so that the sap can be replenished or is it a finite amount. I would imagine it's the former yet. Yeah you're correct is the it's the former. There's a finite amount of to be clear. No sugar maker is parasitic or vampiric. Here they're not draining. These trees dry. It's almost like for very crude analogy. It's almost like they're giving blood. Like process of donating. Blood is meant to leave the donor healthy so really responsible vampire. They can fairy lake an ethical kinda vampire. That shops at the vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies this entire episode. Yeah it's a fascinating process. We spend some time you know especially For those of you all familiar with our all school origins house of works. We would totally spend at our. He'd just exploring how cool this process is but for our purposes today fellow conspiracy realist. It's just important to know how much work goes into each one of those little bottles. The industry today is surprisingly big. There's a lot of. There's a lot of money and maple it turns out by twenty twenty three. This is going to be worth the maple syrup industry alone. It's going to be worth one point. Seven billion dollars. This story may be familiar to some of us listening today because there was a netflix documentary. That came out not too long ago. A great series called dirty money and in one episode in season. One dirty money. They discuss Maple syrup in a way. That's related to this. It turns out officially because of all the time dedicated to creating this. There is a premium price. But it's also only part of the reason there's a premium of price anyway right now when the statistics you'll hear thrown around is accurate but it changes a little bit year over year. A single barrel of maple syrup would be worth around one thousand eight hundred dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars which makes it currently more than twenty times the price of a barrel of oil which is right. Now as we record about seventy three seventy four bucks. That'll that'll change. But they're maple syrup has been more expensive than oil for a long long time. Yeah and it's really great comparison. Because ben isn't joking you're talking around it when he's saying a barrel of this substance d. A barrel of oil is the same as a the the same barrels basically that you can find maple in and and oil in and that also is very important to this story. Yeah yeah forty two gallons. That's how much a Forty two us gallons. That's the size of both of these kinds of barrels so this industry also gets further specialized because is very localized. Maples don't grow everywhere. Maple serves not made everywhere in fact. It's it's pretty much exclusively created in north america. The biggest manufacturer is vermont. That stereotype is true. Vermont is a very big a maple syrup industry at least in the us but that us behemoth is absolutely dwarfed by canada. That's where the real maple action goes down. The province of quebec specifically makes in excess of seventy percent of the world's entire supply of maple syrup and this is why outfits like the economists were investigative reporters carolyn jarvis who appears dirty. Money have called canada. The saudi arabia of maple syrup. It's not just the clever title. It's pretty accurate. It's all intermeshed with the oil industry. Love it yeah. Most people outside of these very specific regions that specialize in producing the stuff Or outside specific industries that are associated normally think about maple syrup Until back in two thousand twelve that is when there was a story that hit the press Where it had been discovered that someone had pulled a heist. Ben you you refer to it as an ocean's eleven level heist with your bag man and you're inside man and all your other doesn't have to be a man but you know in the parlance of heists and this crew If you will were involved in stealing thousands of tonnes Of the stuff and making off with around eighteen point seven million dollars canadian which is around fifteen million usd Worth of maple syrup. And if you were talking about this around the water cooler It might have at the time like tin for most people. i imagine. Strike you as a little bit funny Immediately when you hear somebody stole maple syrup. That's right because what do you do with all that. That's what do you not back in two thousand twelve. That was the immediate question. It's like one of those hikes where you know. I try notices too often air. But oh i've weird thing with dirigibles always joked about stealing blimp airship and the big the reason. That's so humorous is because the hell do you do it where yeah where are you going to put all that maple syrup how do you. How do you explain that. How do you adia launder naples. Syrup offense maple syrup. that's a good question ben. Among the end of the day How is it any different than any. Other valuable commodity. You know 'cause valuable it absolutely is as you mentioned earlier it costs upwards of a under two grand a barrel whereas oil i think is only around seventy five seventy six bucks so i mean absolutely sticky brown is what the stuff is but You know chuckles aside. When the story came through there really is absolutely dark. presumably somewhat sticky underbelly to the world of maple syrup because the story didn't just end up exposing these criminals who did get caught and convicted ultimately expose something else something much deeper and arguably more sinister A multigenerational cartel like operation that spanned decades. You see the economist. And jarvis didn't just say. The canada was the saudi arabia of maple syrup. They went a little further and they said this situation also has an opec yup dares a conspiracy afoot in the land of pancakes waffles. Folks just like the stories diamonds or the early days of light bulbs turns out. Maple syrup is run by a cartel. What are we talking about. We'll tell you after word from our sponsor week one may be over but the season's just getting started at draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl to kick off week to draft. Kings is giving new customers two hundred dollars in free bets instantly when they one dollar on any football game. Listen up because you don't want to miss this head to the draft king sportsbook app now and place a bet of one dollar on any week. Two game to receive two hundred dollars in free bets instantly if sportsbook is not yet available in your state draft king still has huge cash prizes up for grabs all season long with their daily contests draft kings giving all new customers a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes with their first deposit. Download the draft kings sportsbook now and use promo code k one to receive two hundred dollars in free bets. When you place a one dollar bet on any football game that's promo code decay one this week. Draft king sportsbook in officials sports betting partner of the nfl must be twenty one or older new jersey indiana or pennsylvania only new customers only minimum five dollar deposit in one dollar wager required one per customer restrictions. Apply see draftkings dot com slash sportsbook for details gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler or an indiana one. Eight hundred nine with it. It's good to see the teams back out on the grid. Iron lucky for us. that was just week. One draft kings the official daily fantasy partner of the. Nfl is putting you in the center of the action for week. Two new customers can get a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes with their first deposit by signing up using code target. Get in on the action now. It's simple just pick your lineup. Stay under the salary cap and see how your team stacks up against the competition. Feel the nfl action like never before with a free shot at millions of dollars in total prizes. Download the draft kings app now and use code target this week. New customers can get a free shot at millions of dollars. Total prizes enter code target to get a free shot at millions in total prizes with your first deposit. That's code target only at draft kings the official daily fantasy partner of the nfl minimum five dollar deposit required eligibility restrictions. Apply see draft kings dot com for details. This episode is brought to you by federal. Football is back and the best bet you can make is downloading the fan duel sportsbook app. It doesn't matter if you're new to gambling or an old pro fan duel has something for everyone and as an official sports betting partner of the nfl. You know your pets are safe. There's also never been a better time to use fan duel because right. Now get up to one thousand dollars back. If you're i bet doesn't win. You can even turn a small wager into a big payday with the same game parlay bet. Just sign up with the promo code spotify to place your i bet risk-free on fan duel sportsbook download duel today twenty one plus and present in. Virginia i online real money wager. Only refund issued as non-withdrawal site credit. That expires in fourteen days. Restrictions apply see terms at sportsbook dot fan duel dot com gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler..

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

14:12 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"These trees can be tapped again and again multiple times over a long period of time like a century or more and matt. I'd love to hear a little more about that sap collection process because it a changed over time right. Oh yeah before. The invention of i guess modern plastics and You know just some innovation the way he would tap an old maple back in the day is you would have you would do the you have to get a hole into the tree itself but before it was just this kind of wooden like a wooden tube. Let's say that would come out like a spout almost or did just kind of goes down in his angled down. And then you'd hang a bucket onto that wouldn't peace or at least you'd get a bucket very close to where that wooden pieces. It's actually tapping the tree that bucket would fill up. And then you take the bucket over dump it into wherever you collect and then like sometimes like a big pan and exactly you would boil you. Boil the sap down near reducing it to something something thicker plastic change. This operation made much more efficient. It's funny it almost reminds me of those old I believe tropicana orange juice ads. Where it was just like a straw shoved into the orange. The implication being that it's like it comes you know it's the freshest you can get without sucking it straight from the orange but it's about that low tech even in the modern day i mean you're literally shoving thing into the tree that is then pulling the draining the sap out into some receptacle but yeah and ben made a really really great point just before we got into the tubing and everything just that if you mess up and you tap the tree wrong were in the wrong place or too many times and you lose that. Imagine you're losing forty years minimum of effort to get that tree to where it needs to be to even be topical. So that's why that's why it is such there's so much of an art to it in and a science to making it work sweetie song is actually about tapping i was gonna ask. I is it because it replenishes itself over time lead you have to give like leave a period of rest in between tapping so that the sap can be replenished or is it a finite amount. I would imagine it's the former yet. Yeah you're correct is the it's the former. There's a finite amount of to be clear. No sugar maker is parasitic or vampiric. Here they're not draining. These trees dry. It's almost like for very crude analogy. It's almost like they're giving blood. Like process of donating. Blood is meant to leave the donor healthy so really responsible vampire. They can fairy lake an ethical kinda vampire. That shops at the vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies this entire episode. Yeah it's a fascinating process. We spend some time you know especially For those of you all familiar with our all school origins house of works. We would totally spend at our. He'd just exploring how cool this process is but for our purposes today fellow conspiracy realist. It's just important to know how much work goes into each one of those little bottles. The industry today is surprisingly big. There's a lot of. There's a lot of money and maple it turns out by twenty twenty three. This is going to be worth the maple syrup industry alone. It's going to be worth one point. Seven billion dollars. This story may be familiar to some of us listening today because there was a netflix documentary. That came out not too long ago. A great series called dirty money and in one episode in season. One dirty money. They discuss Maple syrup in a way. That's related to this. It turns out officially because of all the time dedicated to creating this. There is a premium price. But it's also only part of the reason there's a premium of price anyway right now when the statistics you'll hear thrown around is accurate but it changes a little bit year over year. A single barrel of maple syrup would be worth around one thousand eight hundred dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars which makes it currently more than twenty times the price of a barrel of oil which is right. Now as we record about seventy three seventy four bucks. That'll that'll change. But they're maple syrup has been more expensive than oil for a long long time. Yeah and it's really great comparison. Because ben isn't joking you're talking around it when he's saying a barrel of this substance d. A barrel of oil is the same as a the the same barrels basically that you can find maple in and and oil in and that also is very important to this story. Yeah yeah forty two gallons. That's how much a Forty two us gallons. That's the size of both of these kinds of barrels so this industry also gets further specialized because is very localized. Maples don't grow everywhere. Maple serves not made everywhere in fact. It's it's pretty much exclusively created in north america. The biggest manufacturer is vermont. That stereotype is true. Vermont is a very big a maple syrup industry at least in the us but that us behemoth is absolutely dwarfed by canada. That's where the real maple action goes down. The province of quebec specifically makes in excess of seventy percent of the world's entire supply of maple syrup and this is why outfits like the economists were investigative reporters carolyn jarvis who appears dirty. Money have called canada. The saudi arabia of maple syrup. It's not just the clever title. It's pretty accurate. It's all intermeshed with the oil industry. Love it yeah. Most people outside of these very specific regions that specialize in producing the stuff Or outside specific industries that are associated normally think about maple syrup Until back in two thousand twelve that is when there was a story that hit the press Where it had been discovered that someone had pulled a heist. Ben you you refer to it as an ocean's eleven level heist with your bag man and you're inside man and all your other doesn't have to be a man but you know in the parlance of heists and this crew If you will were involved in stealing thousands of tonnes Of the stuff and making off with around eighteen point seven million dollars canadian which is around fifteen million usd Worth of maple syrup. And if you were talking about this around the water cooler It might have at the time like tin for most people. i imagine. Strike you as a little bit funny Immediately when you hear somebody stole maple syrup. That's right because what do you do with all that. That's what do you not back in two thousand twelve. That was the immediate question. It's like one of those hikes where you know. I try notices too often air. But oh i've weird thing with dirigibles always joked about stealing blimp airship and the big the reason. That's so humorous is because the hell do you do it where yeah where are you going to put all that maple syrup how do you. How do you explain that. How do you adia launder naples. Syrup offense maple syrup. that's a good question ben. Among the end of the day How is it any different than any. Other valuable commodity. You know 'cause valuable it absolutely is as you mentioned earlier it costs upwards of a under two grand a barrel whereas oil i think is only around seventy five seventy six bucks so i mean absolutely sticky brown is what the stuff is but You know chuckles aside. When the story came through there really is absolutely dark. presumably somewhat sticky underbelly to the world of maple syrup because the story didn't just end up exposing these criminals who did get caught and convicted ultimately expose something else something much deeper and arguably more sinister A multigenerational cartel like operation that spanned decades. You see the economist. 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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

08:29 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"Around ten inches in diameter before it can be tapped Which is exactly what it sounds like you. Stick a device into the tree at then sucks. The sap released allows you to train the tree of that south And it typically takes a tree around forty years to reach that kind of size and it's pretty made. The process really is amazing. If you watch videos online about it and seeing especially if it's a larger operation with a lot of maple trees that have been tapped and just watch looking at the lines of of sap that just slowly drain from the tree into a collection area. It's pretty cool. It's fascinating because you could tap a younger or smaller tree. But it would have. It would have tough affects on the health of the tree which is super important. That's why we say takes about forty years because you're waiting for. Its reach that size and for a large tree. If it's large enough you could have multiple taps on the tree. There's a lot of really cool terminology here that i've just sort of unapologetically peppered through because it's a lot to take it all at once but think of it this way. So the people who tap these trees they are called sugar makers which i think is tremendously sweet several levels and they they're part of where the art and the science really me to do this successfully. They need to have a very deep understanding of each tree like they tend to know what's history they know if they had any problems with bugs or some kind of rot got to it and they take immense pains not to do any lasting harm because if everything goes well these trees can be tapped again and again multiple times over a long period of time like a century or more and matt. I'd love to hear a little more about that sap collection process because it a changed over time right. Oh yeah before. The invention of i guess modern plastics and You know just some innovation the way he would tap an old maple back in the day is you would have you would do the you have to get a hole into the tree itself but before it was just this kind of wooden like a wooden tube. Let's say that would come out like a spout almost or did just kind of goes down in his angled down. And then you'd hang a bucket onto that wouldn't peace or at least you'd get a bucket very close to where that wooden pieces. It's actually tapping the tree that bucket would fill up. And then you take the bucket over dump it into wherever you collect and then like sometimes like a big pan and exactly you would boil you. Boil the sap down near reducing it to something something thicker plastic change. This operation made much more efficient. It's funny it almost reminds me of those old I believe tropicana orange juice ads. Where it was just like a straw shoved into the orange. The implication being that it's like it comes you know it's the freshest you can get without sucking it straight from the orange but it's about that low tech even in the modern day i mean you're literally shoving thing into the tree that is then pulling the draining the sap out into some receptacle but yeah and ben made a really really great point just before we got into the tubing and everything just that if you mess up and you tap the tree wrong were in the wrong place or too many times and you lose that. Imagine you're losing forty years minimum of effort to get that tree to where it needs to be to even be topical. So that's why that's why it is such there's so much of an art to it in and a science to making it work sweetie song is actually about tapping i was gonna ask. I is it because it replenishes itself over time lead you have to give like leave a period of rest in between tapping so that the sap can be replenished or is it a finite amount. I would imagine it's the former yet. Yeah you're correct is the it's the former. There's a finite amount of to be clear. No sugar maker is parasitic or vampiric. Here they're not draining. These trees dry. It's almost like for very crude analogy. It's almost like they're giving blood. Like process of donating. Blood is meant to leave the donor healthy so really responsible vampire. They can fairy lake an ethical kinda vampire. That shops at the vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies this entire episode. Yeah it's a fascinating process. We spend some time you know especially For those of you all familiar with our all school origins house of works. We would totally spend at our. He'd just exploring how cool this process is but for our purposes today fellow conspiracy realist. It's just important to know how much work goes into each one of those little bottles. The industry today is surprisingly big. There's a lot of. There's a lot of money and maple it turns out by twenty twenty three. This is going to be worth the maple syrup industry alone. It's going to be worth one point. Seven billion dollars. This story may be familiar to some of us listening today because there was a netflix documentary. That came out not too long ago. A great series called dirty money and in one episode in season. One dirty money. They discuss Maple syrup in a way. That's related to this. It turns out officially because of all the time dedicated to creating this. There is a premium price. But it's also only part of the reason there's a premium of price anyway right now when the statistics you'll hear thrown around is accurate but it changes a little bit year over year. A single barrel of maple syrup would be worth around one thousand eight hundred dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars which makes it currently more than twenty times the price of a barrel of oil which is right. Now as we record about seventy three seventy four bucks. That'll that'll change. But they're maple syrup has been more expensive than oil for a long long time. Yeah and it's really great comparison. Because ben isn't joking you're talking around it when he's saying a barrel of this substance d. A barrel of oil is the same as a the the same barrels basically that you can find maple in and and oil in and that also.

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

07:35 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"Acquaintances and not and like can seriously be seen as an insult. And that's because they are very different things the i think to set this up. We need to talk a little bit about the process of creating this stuff because so much work goes into it and would you understand how much work goes into it. You can understand a little. Bit of why maple syrup is such a big deal to some people okay. So let's talk about sap that's it we're going to talk about Because you need a lot of it to make maple syrup The sap is almost like a water in terms of the makeup of the product. It is an incredibly thin Substance contains about two percent sucrose so it makes sweet and about thirty to forty gallons of sap is what it takes to make just a single gallon of maple syrup And of course the sap is the key ingredient in the process also requires another key ingredient. Which is time you have to have you know. You can't grow a tree overnight. A tree needs to be healthy and it needs to be at least around ten inches in diameter before it can be tapped Which is exactly what it sounds like you. Stick a device into the tree at then sucks. The sap released allows you to train the tree of that south And it typically takes a tree around forty years to reach that kind of size and it's pretty made. The process really is amazing. If you watch videos online about it and seeing especially if it's a larger operation with a lot of maple trees that have been tapped and just watch looking at the lines of of sap that just slowly drain from the tree into a collection area. It's pretty cool. It's fascinating because you could tap a younger or smaller tree. But it would have. It would have tough affects on the health of the tree which is super important. That's why we say takes about forty years because you're waiting for. Its reach that size and for a large tree. If it's large enough you could have multiple taps on the tree. There's a lot of really cool terminology here that i've just sort of unapologetically peppered through because it's a lot to take it all at once but think of it this way. So the people who tap these trees they are called sugar makers which i think is tremendously sweet several levels and they they're part of where the art and the science really me to do this successfully. They need to have a very deep understanding of each tree like they tend to know what's history they know if they had any problems with bugs or some kind of rot got to it and they take immense pains not to do any lasting harm because if everything goes well these trees can be tapped again and again multiple times over a long period of time like a century or more and matt. I'd love to hear a little more about that sap collection process because it a changed over time right. Oh yeah before. The invention of i guess modern plastics and You know just some innovation the way he would tap an old maple back in the day is you would have you would do the you have to get a hole into the tree itself but before it was just this kind of wooden like a wooden tube. Let's say that would come out like a spout almost or did just kind of goes down in his angled down. And then you'd hang a bucket onto that wouldn't peace or at least you'd get a bucket very close to where that wooden pieces. It's actually tapping the tree that bucket would fill up. And then you take the bucket over dump it into wherever you collect and then like sometimes like a big pan and exactly you would boil you. Boil the sap down near reducing it to something something thicker plastic change. This operation made much more efficient. It's funny it almost reminds me of those old I believe tropicana orange juice ads. Where it was just like a straw shoved into the orange. The implication being that it's like it comes you know it's the freshest you can get without sucking it straight from the orange but it's about that low tech even in the modern day i mean you're literally shoving thing into the tree that is then pulling the draining the sap out into some receptacle but yeah and ben made a really really great point just before we got into the tubing and everything just that if you mess up and you tap the tree wrong were in the wrong place or too many times and you lose that. Imagine you're losing forty years minimum of effort to get that tree to where it needs to be to even be topical. So that's why that's why it is such there's so much of an art to it in and a science to making it work sweetie song is actually about tapping i was gonna ask. I is it because it replenishes itself over time lead you have to give like leave a period of rest in between tapping so that the sap can be replenished or is it a finite amount. I would imagine it's the former yet. Yeah you're correct is the it's the former. There's a finite amount of to be clear. No sugar maker is parasitic or vampiric. Here they're not draining. These trees dry. It's almost like for very crude analogy. It's almost like they're giving blood. Like process of donating. Blood is meant to leave the donor healthy so really responsible vampire. They can fairy lake an ethical kinda vampire. That shops at the vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies.

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

08:14 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"A lot of people. Don't think about like when if you live in many parts of the. Us you may not even find real maple syrup that often. You may go for the much more affordable table syrups which is not not the legit maple syrup but if you're in certain regions of this continent it particularly the eastern northeastern seaboard right canada new england than it would be tremendously insulting to serve tables syrup to your loved. Ones your friends they would think. Oh okay mr cheap stuff over here has decided that we are acquaintances and not and like can seriously be seen as an insult. And that's because they are very different things the i think to set this up. We need to talk a little bit about the process of creating this stuff because so much work goes into it and would you understand how much work goes into it. You can understand a little. Bit of why maple syrup is such a big deal to some people okay. So let's talk about sap that's it we're going to talk about Because you need a lot of it to make maple syrup The sap is almost like a water in terms of the makeup of the product. It is an incredibly thin Substance contains about two percent sucrose so it makes sweet and about thirty to forty gallons of sap is what it takes to make just a single gallon of maple syrup And of course the sap is the key ingredient in the process also requires another key ingredient. Which is time you have to have you know. You can't grow a tree overnight. A tree needs to be healthy and it needs to be at least around ten inches in diameter before it can be tapped Which is exactly what it sounds like you. Stick a device into the tree at then sucks. The sap released allows you to train the tree of that south And it typically takes a tree around forty years to reach that kind of size and it's pretty made. The process really is amazing. If you watch videos online about it and seeing especially if it's a larger operation with a lot of maple trees that have been tapped and just watch looking at the lines of of sap that just slowly drain from the tree into a collection area. It's pretty cool. It's fascinating because you could tap a younger or smaller tree. But it would have. It would have tough affects on the health of the tree which is super important. That's why we say takes about forty years because you're waiting for. Its reach that size and for a large tree. If it's large enough you could have multiple taps on the tree. There's a lot of really cool terminology here that i've just sort of unapologetically peppered through because it's a lot to take it all at once but think of it this way. So the people who tap these trees they are called sugar makers which i think is tremendously sweet several levels and they they're part of where the art and the science really me to do this successfully. They need to have a very deep understanding of each tree like they tend to know what's history they know if they had any problems with bugs or some kind of rot got to it and they take immense pains not to do any lasting harm because if everything goes well these trees can be tapped again and again multiple times over a long period of time like a century or more and matt. I'd love to hear a little more about that sap collection process because it a changed over time right. Oh yeah before. The invention of i guess modern plastics and You know just some innovation the way he would tap an old maple back in the day is you would have you would do the you have to get a hole into the tree itself but before it was just this kind of wooden like a wooden tube. Let's say that would come out like a spout almost or did just kind of goes down in his angled down. And then you'd hang a bucket onto that wouldn't peace or at least you'd get a bucket very close to where that wooden pieces. It's actually tapping the tree that bucket would fill up. And then you take the bucket over dump it into wherever you collect and then like sometimes like a big pan and exactly you would boil you. Boil the sap down near reducing it to something something thicker plastic change. This operation made much more efficient. It's funny it almost reminds me of those old I believe tropicana orange juice ads. Where it was just like a straw shoved into the orange. The implication being that it's like it comes you know it's the freshest you can get without sucking it straight from the orange but it's about that low tech even in the modern day i mean you're literally shoving thing into the tree that is then pulling the draining the sap out into some receptacle but yeah and ben made a really really great point just before we got into the tubing and everything just that if you mess up and you tap the tree wrong were in the wrong place or too many times and you lose that. Imagine you're losing forty years minimum of effort to get that tree to where it needs to be to even be topical. So that's why that's why it is such there's so much of an art to it in and a science to making it work sweetie song is actually about tapping i was gonna ask. I is it because it replenishes itself over time lead you have to give like leave a period of rest in between tapping so that the sap can be replenished or is it a finite amount. I would imagine it's the former yet. Yeah you're correct is the it's the former. There's a finite amount of to be clear. No sugar maker is parasitic or vampiric. Here they're not draining. These trees dry. It's almost like for very crude analogy. It's almost like they're giving blood. Like process of donating. Blood is meant to leave the donor healthy so really responsible vampire. They can fairy lake an ethical kinda vampire. That shops at the vampire. Equivalent of a cooper whole foods co op wholefoods is no longer the best example but but part of the way they do this and keep these healthy is also by limiting the the amount of time per year when this when this tapping occurs it only takes place for about four to six weeks so think roughly a month and change deering something that is called the door of de sugar season which i think is also a good name for maybe not a ban but an album and this is still. We'll see there's a lot of limitation here and limitations placed on this process. People argue for the good of the tree but they're also at the whim of the weather. It's there's a ideal time to tap this tree tap into this tree and most of these. Tadpoles only give you about ten gallons of sap throughout that period. So four thinking. Back to the attrition that you would describe that means that we're talking for tap holes over a period of brown four to six weeks making forty gallons of sap making one gal maple syrup a ton whoa goes into this. Yeah a ton of work and not that much yield right and therein lies.

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"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

07:55 min | 1 year ago

"maple" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

"The syrup so nicely like little syrup cups i would have said awful but the other day. I had pecan pancakes or pecan pancakes. If you're nasty. And they were incredible. And i used this very bottle of one. Hundred percent allegedly maple syrup and it was delicious side now. I didn't even see the front. I didn't want to show you the actual posts in. Yeah okay well. It checks out. You can see. You could see the name here. Yeah i myself in milwaukee person because of these surface area conundrum that you mentioned earlier no feature not a bug also because of the ingredients but the crux of today's story fell conspiracy. Realist is maple syrup. Yes you're listening to a show about critical thinking applied to conspiracy theories and yes. This episode is about maple syrup trust us worth so here are the facts. If you're like most people you've heard of maple syrup right you've heard of it. It's not it's not new to your human experience. It's made from this substance called xylitol sap and it comes primarily from three types of trees that are all maples. The the big the big dog in the game is sugar maples. But you'll also see people ultimately creating maple syrup from red and black maple trees. It's not a new idea like a lot of things. On this continent indigenous people had learned that trick of this thousands and thousands of years ago. They already knew how to take this slightly sweet sap and turn it into syrup and the process that these earlier people discovered or created continues today. It's a really neat marriage. You art and science and is something that i think a lot of people. Don't think about like when if you live in many parts of the. Us you may not even find real maple syrup that often. You may go for the much more affordable table syrups which is not not the legit maple syrup but if you're in certain regions of this continent it particularly the eastern northeastern seaboard right canada new england than it would be tremendously insulting to serve tables syrup to your loved. Ones your friends they would think. Oh okay mr cheap stuff over here has decided that we are acquaintances and not and like can seriously be seen as an insult. And that's because they are very different things the i think to set this up. We need to talk a little bit about the process of creating this stuff because so much work goes into it and would you understand how much work goes into it. You can understand a little. Bit of why maple syrup is such a big deal to some people okay. So let's talk about sap that's it we're going to talk about Because you need a lot of it to make maple syrup The sap is almost like a water in terms of the makeup of the product. It is an incredibly thin Substance contains about two percent sucrose so it makes sweet and about thirty to forty gallons of sap is what it takes to make just a single gallon of maple syrup And of course the sap is the key ingredient in the process also requires another key ingredient. Which is time you have to have you know. You can't grow a tree overnight. A tree needs to be healthy and it needs to be at least around ten inches in diameter before it can be tapped Which is exactly what it sounds like you. Stick a device into the tree at then sucks. The sap released allows you to train the tree of that south And it typically takes a tree around forty years to reach that kind of size and it's pretty made. The process really is amazing. If you watch videos online about it and seeing especially if it's a larger operation with a lot of maple trees that have been tapped and just watch looking at the lines of of sap that just slowly drain from the tree into a collection area. It's pretty cool. It's fascinating because you could tap a younger or smaller tree. But it would have. It would have tough affects on the health of the tree which is super important. That's why we say takes about forty years because you're waiting for. Its reach that size and for a large tree. If it's large enough you could have multiple taps on the tree. There's a lot of really cool terminology here that i've just sort of unapologetically peppered through because it's a lot to take it all at once but think of it this way. So the people who tap these trees they are called sugar makers which i think is tremendously sweet several levels and they they're part of where the art and the science really me to do this successfully. They need to have a very deep understanding of each tree like they tend to know what's history they know if they had any problems with bugs or some kind of rot got to it and they take immense pains not to do any lasting harm because if everything goes well these trees can be tapped again and again multiple times over a long period of time like a century or more and matt. I'd love to hear a little more about that sap collection process because it a changed over time right. Oh yeah before. The invention of i guess modern plastics and You know just some innovation the way he would tap an old maple back in the day is you would have you would do the you have to get a hole into the tree itself but before it was just this kind of wooden like a wooden tube. Let's say that would come out like a spout almost or did just kind of goes down in his angled down. And then you'd hang a bucket onto that wouldn't peace or at least you'd get a bucket very close to where that wooden pieces. It's actually tapping the tree that bucket would fill up. And then you take the bucket over dump it into wherever you collect and then like sometimes like a big pan and exactly you would boil you. Boil the sap down near reducing it to something something thicker plastic change. This operation made much more efficient. It's funny it almost reminds me of those old I believe tropicana orange juice ads. Where it was just like a straw shoved into the orange. The implication being that it's like it comes you know it's the freshest you can get without sucking it straight from the orange but it's about that low tech even in the modern day i mean you're literally shoving thing into the tree that is then pulling the draining the sap out into some receptacle but yeah and ben made a really really great point just before we got into the tubing and everything just that if you mess up and you tap the tree wrong were in the wrong place or too many times and you lose that. Imagine you're losing forty years minimum of effort to get that tree to where it needs to be to even be topical. So that's why that's why it is such there's so much of an art to it in.

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