20 Episode results for "Magic Mountain"
Twas the Night Before Wizard Christmas
"Hello everyone theses. The bater a i know you all were kind of hoping for a continuation of the whole story thing but these christmas so no one is no one's here. Unfortunately no one's here to tell you a story. So i guess it falls on the bear is always it always falls on the bear to take care of everyone else. The bear is here to tell you a little story today. S story called the night before christmas. Here we go twas the night before christmas in a castle beds big. Not a creature was stirring not even the pig. Their brooms were hung by the chimney with care in hopes that grumble bum soon would be there. The children were nestled. All snug in their lofts except for the south squad who were watching the british baker alan rickman in his kerchief in i with my cane. We're sitting alone. Farrar weekly poker game. When out in the forest there arose such a clatter i sprang from the table to see what was the matter away to the window. I flew like a flash pulled out to my wand and was ready to cast. I sent out the fireball crashed against the three and the fire erupted for everyone to see when what to my wondering. I should appear but the wizard fire department. Because i just set the forest on fire and oh god please no until the school board. I'm on thin ice with them. This is not in defining extinguished. As i started to run and i knew in the moment it must be grumble bomb. More rapid than eagles his students they came and he whistled and shouted and called them by name. Now sammy now greg harmony. And bearing on tommy on touchdown on william and having to the top of the window to the top of the wall till the sweat drip sweat drips down. You'll we stared in horror as we watch the broomsticks fly. The students take flight and then mount to the sky so up to the house top. The students they came and we all knew they were coming to ruin our gay. And then in a twinkling i heard on the roof the scuffling and shuffling of their little boots as i drew in my hand and was turning around down. The chimney grumble boom came with about. He was dressed all in for from his head to his foot and his clothes world tarnished with ashes and soot the students gave chase each having his back and he looked like a peddler just opening his pack. He's is they were week. His cheeks were all sunk in his swagger was staggered he looked rather drunken his little mouth was drawn up like a bow and the beard. The is gene was his white as the snow. The stump of a pipe in his teeth in the smoke didn't circle this head like a wreath rickman and i both saw. It was clear that grumble. Bob had had one. Too many eggnog. This year the kids were snickering and laughing. A right jolly old bunch. And i laughed when i saw them. I had the hunch that the kids had the plan. The plan involved me as sammy. Magic approached with a small christmas tree. He spoke not a word but went straight to his work decorating my home as he gave me a smirk in just minutes the kids gave my home. Real christmas. cheer making. My heart grew three sizes this year. Their work complete. They turn back towards the door before. Sammy said that there was just one thing more. He gave me a present. The first of my life and then said merry christmas to all and to all ed good night is that good enough is that is that the good christmas story for you. Maybe next year. I'll tell you about the grandch- the branch. What saved us saved the solstice. I don't know but there. yes christmas. Very good thank you to everyone who support this show. It means the world to us. That old sammy magic gets to have this story told. Even though there is a tariff out there who's desperately thrived the ruin it. Thank you all for your support. It does mean the world to us and of course thank you to all of our pay trends at patriotair dot com slash of bs. Thank you to everyone who picked up sammy. Magic mountain for the holiday season that the merch the lord of pure bs dot com and as always remember that the mini adventures of sammy. Magic is a work of complete and total which means you can't sue me.
What Were Watching: Veronica Mars Rashard and Wallace Go to White Castle and Aint No Magic Mountain High Enough
"Hello and welcome to round tube the parenting roundabout podcast. I'm terry moral and I'm here with Catherine Lecco. Hello usually on this podcast we talk about parenting issues but once a week Catherine I like to get together to discuss TV movies, books and other entertainment topics because it's nice to talk about something other than parenting for change this week, we are continuing with our watch of the second season of Veronica Mars with. Two episodes from the second season, the twelfth and thirteenth the first one was called Rashaad and Wallace go to White Castle, and this is a continuation of the plot in which Wallace went to to Chicago to be with his dad and apparently to save on the budget of Veronica Mars and was gone for a while, and during that time was in a hit and run incident that paralyzed a homeless man and. He was approached. I think in the last episode, we saw by a reporter allegedly wanting him to man up until his story and when he did apparently, that was a signal to the folks back in Chicago that he was a traitor and a rat, and therefore they said he was the one who was driving and now. Well my God president. So, but not if Veronica can help it, that's right. You know if you're gonNA find yourself in that stupid position never mind having a cop for a father you WanNa have a girl detective as your best friend. That is what will solve all the problems. We'll kidnapping a little phone theft and you're good. Yeah. The the whole idea that like if he could just talk to her Shard, he straight and this all out like. Whoever thought that that was going to? You're right. I should give up all these money and girls throwing themselves out and go to jail for this thing that I did I didn't see it until now right now that you've shown me the yeah. Over I didn't seem like he was the brightest moment the scoreboard. So of an pretty easily pushed around by just the most awful caricature of a sports. Well. It would be a sports parent, but it's a sports uncle who was you know? Guarding his career. With every tooth and claw available to him. So but was he powerful enough to override the appeal of Jackie? No, he was not his. And of course, I fell for this whole ski I was like, Jackie how could you and then of course, she ownership was in on it which I should've known, and then of course, it turned out that Chekhov's cop that works at a club in will up in finally manifested by Jackie lowering the you know taking not lowering just just you know pretty much ushering. Rashard over to this club, the uncle, of course, immediately pursuing him and taking Wallace word for it which seems sort of shouldn't his defensive been up at that point I guess since Wallace said it was his ex girlfriend he thought that boy is this a hapless dude got him over the globe Ronca than just swiped his phone and got evidence on him tampering with a witness and. All done all four time for Wallace, to play in the big game. Yes. So and I don't care because I don't want to be in jeopardy I am perfectly fine with it, and if we are going to be made to include Jackie in the proceedings here, I would just as soon like her. You know certainly the these two episodes together or a good pair for the Jackie Rehab duo that they are. So you go from sort of I'm even at the beginning you know when she came to were. Wallace. Veronica were having lunch and Wallace Gabor's such ical shoulder even then you felt a little bad for her and then yeah, it seemed like she was betraying him by going with this guy but then that quickly they didn't they didn't leave us with that deception for long. So I guess I guess she's okay. And you know now that Mac is going often making questionable choices with her life, we need a another girl ally four. Oh, but that's that's in the second episode. So what else happened anything else of interest in Rashard and Wallace go to white castle while this was the one in which Veronica also bugged the confessional at the church which you know it was handy that she was morally opposed to audio. Yes. surveillance because audio surveillance would not have captured the transfer of drugs within a hymnal truth. So yes. She needed to do use video, and that is it is correct that anybody can see who goes into a confessional. So that is possibly a little bit less. Bad, though still I think. Had She put it? She's done things that are not On the on the up at wide. Yes. I think that probably a video camera in the confessional, not on the up and up God. Wise but But when you're catch you Veron he, you're you're catching the priest in the act of being a drug dealer. or or sort of I duNNo. Supporting the the trade. Yeah. So, we learned this that Logan is still living in Dunkin's hotel room right apparently canes never just went ahead and checked him out. Way. Right. So. Okay. I just I just. GotTa move in at some point right now my gosh. They gotta just clean the dynamic duo. Yes. Yeah. Poor wheedle who was Ousted from his leadership of the gang in that episode, Reich? Is that was the whole thing they they found out was. doing the drugs in the confessional and While we will presented his gang members with the fact that. Thumper said on her thumper is the one who has been betraying them but they don't see it as a trail so much as. We will betraying them by not just accepting the fact that and killed Felix and shutting up so. You know he's beaten up in his bike is thrown the water knees out right and also he Starts questionable choice of growing out his hair. Which looks ridiculous. I'm sorry it's more. You don't see it in this episode you see it in the next one. Yeah I don't care for it. Yes. He does look good without it. So guess anyway. So Poor Weevil I've I feel that somehow he will get back on top. You know look forward to the crime fighting duo of low in weevil continuing their rapid. Right because they haven't. Weevil. Now believes that it was thumper. Yes. Felix but. It's not like they have any. Real writers of this. There is apparently we did. We know something about weevil beating up curly curly. Yeah, that's a new thing he's guided done in doctored up the bus possibly and then died. So are we thinking that we will is the one who killed him and then dumped his body in the ocean after Writing Veronica Mars on it and sharpy or I mean I don't think so but I guess that's what we're meant to question one moment. Well. I mean I think that that I, could see thumper having resentment against we will if only because we will have named him thumper so. Who all's out the gang nicknames I'm not sure what that guy got the short stick. Yes. Although we will not exactly oblige us. Immigration Sir. There was a hat that went around and You, know some people just just much to choose from. Our podcast is sponsored today by best scenes, the puzzle APP the challenges, your brain with fun puzzle levels and kid characters. They've got a new rock and roll theme going on. Now I like winning the little guitars while implying the attention to detail is charming I enjoy the little signs at tell me where my fiends are when they're not playing a particular level like they're out for a walk. 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Now I'm not sure it was a six flags when I was going to school but it was in a place where you can get to Disneyland and a couple of hours. It wasn't your top tier. Amusement. Park. Right selection so. I have to say I mean it was an interesting episode I. There's much enjoyed about it but I, just call immediate bs that the seniors would raise money for a trip and the amount of money they raised would determine where they go This is how would be you can pay X. amount of dollars to go wherever the rich kids WANNA go. If you don't have that money. You can throw fundraisers to pay for it if you don't make enough a well, go with your loser friends to Magic Mountain if you want. In. No Way with the Oh niners choice of senior trip be determined by how much they make it the carnival right? Because they can just pay for it. They one, hundred, twenty, five percent do not buy that. Yeah. But okay. So that you. So I serve like the entire you know. Concept of this episode is but I at the same time it's also true that none of these kids would be going to public school. So I suppose there is a, there's A. Suspension disbelief required from the get-go right but this is what my husband says every week none of these kids will be. This is the most ridiculous. This is a town with a bunch of rich kids to Ganz. We didn't know about the first gang, the first season, but apparently, there's been two Ganz along right what how many people are even in this town? Are there people of all? I mean the Fitzpatrick family alone has twelve thirteen links just a single family gang. They just got together and said, Jeez. There's a lot of us why don't we deal drugs or something? Yeah. It's just so ridiculous anyway. So the the major storyline of this episode is the Carnival in which they're raising money for their senior trip and drinking sloshes and throwing frogs and Logan is perpetrating very disturbing flirtation with a nice looking young one and. Mac are just being durable, which is disturbing because. deavere is still not a healthy young man so. Mac really really what are you doing girl? And? But at the same time, Dick is just an incredible his name. Yes. So You know you're sort of rooting for them now, which I don't so much want to be and in the meantime. The hope is that now is horrible teacher the same horrible teacher who was. You know so upset to be divorced and WHO's terrible kid Veronica babysat. It's the same terrible. Man. She is. Not That's why her of all the educators we have seen for one episode and never again right she. Stay on. Jane Lynch. Why? Can we maybe now that she is like you know in disgrace and now she can go to detention and never be seen again. Please please US. She had the. Now Evil Dial turned up to eleven the time Oh yes. She just could not have been. Worse. Just horrible racism ends just, plain? evil. Rich kids rule everybody else drills all of my. A large percentage of my students I just have nothing but contempt for honey. Cakes. Go Away was they said in in I believe they said in the podcast, the broncos investigations podcast like this is someone who really hates being date. Sure. I mean Dr Honestly. I bet there are private schools someplace in California I. Bet there are private high schools even though the periods of Neptune don't seem to know about this. Go teach rich kids. Ask You WANNA DO Don't be a public high school. You know who? This is an episode in which the principal looks good. By comparison he looks very good. He looks saintly by comparison to this horrible horrible person. So she's collecting all the money the huge just just Sackville's money. You would think from all these these places. Right and you've you've worked in volunteer school stuff. If you ever heard of that made money they're talking about here. No. Because if I had, we would have that instead of everything else. Anyway. So and then she gives the cashbox to Barranca and as anybody who's ever watched TV before in their life can predict Veronica puts in locale. Mitch opens the Cabinet backup is gone I'm Jay, where they go also where kids still streaking in two thousand four. I'm. Mike, you'll kids streaked I. think that's saw his nineteen, seventy five then yeah I don't think that's still a thing. A good distraction I guess but still no anyway. So who done it? What At one point. They had a video that was supposedly GonNa have evidence. And then they gathered everybody into might be guilty into a room like this was some sort of Agatha Christie drama. And started showing video, and then we went back outside where everybody was back outside. Yeah, it was it was. What what what was that I just I thought? Did I miss something or is this flashbacks or was this all on video? What was the point of gathering everybody to watch video if you never any resolution from that? Right. It's just this is just we're end there in the shop and then they're in. The copy room. Lay Us, if they're all over the place. Convoluted -ness of the eventual solution of this thing. was. Particularly ridiculous? Yes. But we will get a new car so. Yes Weevil is Robin Hood and he got a new car. It's green. Are Young Yeah. So anyway, okay. That was a thing that happened and poor Jackie is starting to. Feel what it's like to not be on the top of the heap at Neptune high. School? Her Dad is accused of having something to do with the bus crash. So immediately everybody mean to her and I did very much like the point at which Veronica was saying you know it's not worth a try to fight this and she pointed out that Francke kept her head up all through the with her dad. So bonding. Bad ass girls of DADS who run afoul of the Neptune elite you go. And so she goes to the dunk tank and gets dunked about a million times. Yes. That was so sad. That really was sad although it will stronger. After, she gets over the pneumonia she will be a hundred times stronger. And now of Veronica ally right and Wallace redeemed himself by conspicuously not hitting her not eating, right? Even though he's he's adorable even though yeah has the new a new lady friend named Jane. Yes. Yes. So much dating. Episode always forgot to mention that in the first of these two episodes on, we got Karaoke Emmy Got Elvis Costello's Veronica which I had been waiting her two and a half seasons where I was still Stella's Veronica s was used in about the only way be which you got about. You know a half of verse of it to the point where he sings Veronica because otherwise it is completely not relevant lyrical. Absentee thing going on here and it is in fact extremely sad. Yes it has notwithstanding its johnny melody. Anyway these these two episodes were kind of a nice respite. Don't you think from? You know a lot of trauma earlier in the season in the whole Dunkin Baby. kidnapping. Extravaganza from the. We watched last week to. Just, too nice pitches over the plight procedural highschool. Stuff little bit of continuing storyline string you long but. Probably nothing that's going to cause anybody to be scarred for life. Possibly, Dick Possibly the girl that Logan is stringing along for. Evil Purposes, but you know you did by slush season, give her a bunny. Huddle sweetly, you know spend some money at her booth he did. So what's the harm and it was worth it for the look on the DAD's face. Whatever hundreds of dollars he donated to the senior trip? 'cause money well-spent right will next week we'll talk about two more episodes of Veronica Mars. We just cannot get enough We're GONNA watch and fourteen versatile toppings. And Episode Fifteen the quick and the wed.. Please let that not to apply to anybody in high school everybody care. And that's going to be it for around two today. Please subscribe to our parenting roundabout podcasts. So you won't miss any of our episodes. 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Magic Monday: Something, Something
"Welcome the Magic Mountain site ship the long. Production, OF SOUTHGATE! Media, agree. You can find us at www. South Jimmy Group DOT. Music is titled. By Kevin McQuillan of in Cobb. UTECH DOT COM royalty free music as long as you give jude. This episode of Magic Monday is brought to you by tweak audio dot com. You, know podcast and. Totally awesome headphones, thirty percent off and free shipping head over tweaked audio dot, com and in the checkout box type south. Or you get there through. At South Media Group DOT com. This episode is also brought to you by both. Where you can find us at support us by typing in the search bar. Dog Kevin Launch. All Right? It's that time of the week again time for magic. Monday and I'm your host Kevin Long. There was a call last time I did the podcast to find somebody that has the book of Exalted Deeds and file darkness that would be willing to part ways with those books that call still active. You can email the show at the Kevin Long. Show at Jamile, DOT, com and we'll see. We can't work something out. What am I gonNA talk about today. Well! I started a new game while I joined new game didn't start started. And in the process at character creation for five. I got three common. Items to uncommon magic items and one rare item. Now as I was building the character a plus to shield. Would have been really nice because that would have given my Goblin, Paladin. Eighteen armor class. The problem is that even a plus one magic item. Maybe, it's just armor is very rare. That seems kind of dumb. Maybe plus two is very rare, but even plus one is very rare. Stir. Why like DND has always been a high. Magic, content game. I don't know what I just said. I just had a brain fart. K. So anyway. Dnd High Level Magic, and then it's up to you to be like. Oh I! Don't want a lot of magic items in my game, so we're only going to have one magic item in this count two items in this town, and so on and so forth. But I don't know it just seems odd to me. that. Magic armor is very rare. All Right? That's the show for today so for me. Myself and I am a hollow at have a great day. Again. Thank you for listening to magic. You can find us. At, W. W. Dot Southgate Media Group Dot. You can find have a long show on facebook just by searching Kevin. Work you can email us at. Kevin Long Show at G MAIL DOT COM.
Magic Monday: Intro to Season 2
"Welcome to the Magic Mountain site. The long ship production of southgate many agree you can find us at. Www DOT south gay media group Dot Music is titled by Kevin McQuillan of in COBB UTECH DOT COM Brocchi music. As long as you give jude this episode of Magic Monday is brought to you. By tweak audio dot com you know podcast and totally awesome headphones thirty percent off and free shipping head over tweaked audio dot com and in the checkout box type south or you get there through. Arlington South Media Group DOT COM. This episode is also brought to you by where you can find us at support us by typing in the search bar dog Kevin Launch. All right. It's that time of the season again. Time for season two of magic Monday. We have got some good stuff coming up and now that I think about A. I'm going to have to either figure out how to get the last encyclopedia or season for. I don't know what we're GONNA do season four if you have an encyclopedia of magic volume four. Hit me up. If you're looking to sell it might be willing to buy it. I have been searching for that book for so long. I can't even find sets right now. I would buy all four volumes and then sell the ones that I have. But I can't find it Ho. We've got so much good stuff we're going to be looking at volume two but also we're just going to throw out other magical items when we better about it and I'm GonNa let Channel secret the first two magic items aren't going to be from the Encyclopedia Magika. They're going to be from swords and sorcery relics and rituals book to. There's a hammer and women there that I am super excited about so much so I'm kinda trying to build one for Mike Cleric in the eventually game that I'm playing or was playing before wizard. Shut that down. I'm so ready for this thing to be over. Can we all just go back to quote unquote normal life? I know things are going to be changed and I hope they are. But there are some things that we just need to deal with. I will go into that in the Kevin long show. That will come out on Thursday to want to get into it here. 'cause this magic. Monday so hey next week magic Monday. We are back baby again. Thank you for listening to magic. You can find us at W. W. Dot Southgate Media Group Dot Com. You can find a long show on facebook just by searching Kevin or you can email us at so I kept it along show I g mail dot com.
Magic Monday Update
"Welcome the Magic Mountain aside the long shift production of Southgate Media Group. You can find us at W._W._W.. Dot South Jimmy Group Dot Music Nick is tyrant by Kevin mccray of in contact dot com royalty free music as long as you give the dude props this episode of Magic Monday is brought to you by tweak audio dot com you know podcast Kashdan totally awesome headphones thirty percent off and free shipping head over tweet audio dot com and in the checkout box type south or you get there through Arlene at south. The Media Group DOT COM. There's episode is also brought to you by where you can find us at support us by typing in the search far dog Kevin Long show on all right. It's that time Luik again time for magic Monday your Kevin Long and and it short we were just going to get to the point. If you've listened to the new media lab with Robert South date. You've probably heard the special episode that we did together kind of out ghosting and. And how you shouldn't do that. That's what I've done with magic Monday. A little bit Kinda goes. Did you guys so for that. I apologize and we're going to get back into it. We're changing some things up starting probably in two weeks 'cause you'll get this. Show you next week or the week that you're hearing it and then we'll start back with our magic Mondays way we're going to do on. You're still going to get a magic item but we're going to do magic card of the week too 'cause we're for selling magic cards on E.. Bagan all kinds of stuff on Ebay but the focus of magic money is magic cards at magic items all that good stuff as you've heard from intro there is. Of Coffee Account now where you can buy coffee you can check it out on the website but I'll just tell you right now. The goal is two hundred dollars so we can get more recording equipment to get our actual play podcast going and yeah all the good stuff that comes with us so keep listening will have good stuff for you and we won't be ghosting you anymore. 'cause I don't how much it sucks win. The shows that I listened to disappear for a month or only cut out one show a month so our goal is to not ghost anymore and that's a goal that we will accomplish so for me myself and I-.
Magic Monday: Decoy Dust
"Welcome the Magic Mountain site ship. The long ship production of southgate many agree you can find us at. Www Dot south Jimmy group dot music is titled by Kevin McQuillan of in COBB UTECH DOT COM. Broke free music as long as you give Jude. This episode of Magic Monday is brought to you. By tweak audio dot com you know podcast and totally awesome headphones thirty percent off and free shipping head over tweaked audio dot com and in the checkout box type south or you get there through. Arlington South Media Group DOT COM. This episode is also brought to you by both where you can find us at support us by typing in the search bar dog Kevin Launch off. All right. It's that time of week again time for magic Monday. I'm your host. Ken among from the long show this week. We are dipping into the Encyclopedia of magic of volume to ruin. Go the very first. Page that stuff on it so page. Four nineteen. And we're GONNA look at the decoy dust the X. P value is four hundred. Gp value is one thousand. Two hundred it comes from the book of Marvelous Magic this dusk forms the shape of a snake monster. It appears to attack creatures in the area of effect but is merely a decoy in not actually damage anyone. It tries to draw attention and then attacks until someone realizes it is harmless however if any creature tries to use a bite attack against the snake dust it automatically hits the creature was than making savings roe versus death magic or die in one round choked by the dust cloth and web attacks merely pass through the dust appearing to damage the decoy. But not actually affecting decoyed dos last for one term. Oh Man my first question is who's going to try and bite this snake. I guess if you're using it as a decoy to get away from a bear maybe I don't know but it sounds awesome. I know aerobics. That would appreciate having it if they found it. I don't know if they would go on a quest find it. I guess we should get to that part of the show where I apologize if you can hear the Washer. I should assume that if I can hear you can probably hear it. I'll go back and listen and see if you can hear it and then I'll know that I need to close the door when I'm doing laundry or I could just convince some of you all to support me then. I could buy a studio. Yeah all right for me myself and I- Mahalo and have a great again. Thank you for listening to magic. You can find us at W. W. Dot Southgate Media Group Dot Com. You can find kept long show on facebook just by searching Kevin or you can email us at Kevin long show at g mail DOT com.
Magic Monday DS
"Welcome to the Magic Mountain site ship the long ship production of Southgate Media Group. You can find us at. Www W. W. dot south gay media group. Dot Music is titled by Kevin McQuillan of in COBB UTECH DOT com broke free as long as you give you this episode of Magic Monday is brought to you by tweak audio dot talk to you know podcast and totally awesome headphones thirty percent off and free shipping head over tweaked audio dot com and in the checkout type south or you get there through Arlington South Media Group Dot Com. This episode is also brought to you by where you can find us at support us by typing in the search bar dog Kevin Long. I'm sure all aw right is that tunnel regan time for magic. Monday and today might be shorter than other days I mean I know they're all short work but this one. I'm not even pull up the spell description because I'm lazy. It's late nine. Oh that's not an excuse but I need to get this this out. The spell is called the skies self and I want to talk about it because I'm in discord for for north by northwest. It's fun but one day someone said that if they could have any spell in real life it would be disguised self not because they would want to change her. I WANNA I don't WanNa say a parents 'cause it would change their parents but they they would use disguise self to have phenomenal three piece suits and I could feel that I would use that disguise self self spell for the same reason row in whatever business meaning you needed or going out on a date or just in just being comfortable while you're working on your games at the game store. I'm all about that so for me myself phen. I used this guy itself at have a great day again. Thank you for listening to magic. You can find us at W. W. Dot Southgate Media Group Dot Com. You can find God Kevin Long show faceless just by searching Kevin relaunch you can email is Kevin long show at Jiabao Dot Com.
Magic Monday The Ghosthammer
"Welcome to the Magic Mountain site ship. The long production of southgate many agree you can find us at. Www DOT south gay media group Dot Music is titled by Kevin McQuillan of in COBB UTECH DOT COM. Broke free music as long as you give Jude. This episode of Magic Monday is brought to you. By tweak audio dot com you know podcast and totally awesome headphones thirty percent off and free shipping head over tweaked audio dot com and in the checkout box type south or you get there through. South Media Group DOT COM. This episode is also brought to you by where you can find us at support us by typing in the search bar dog Kevin Launch off all right. It's time for magic Monday. I'm your host Kevin. Long from the cabinet along show. I'm so excited because this magic item so I picked today is also pretty popular in hollow fest an dead city in swords and I WANNA say wizardry. But it's not. It's sort in sorcery. I am excited about this one. Of course I'm excited about all the magic items but again hollow fest. Even though I haven't played it have read the book. And it's probably my favorite place in swords and sorcery. But I haven't seen it. All there are Gazza tears at the local dragons. Keep that is soon as I have some disposable income. I'm going to go by that Ma'am so excited to dig into this setting even though there's so many other things going on but hey let's get into what we're here for. The Ghost Hammer is yes. Ghost Hammer is plus one ghost touch war. Hammer that once a day. The wilder may summon a protective shield spirit energy granting him plus two bonus to AC at twenty five temporary hit points. This effect lasts for one hour three times per day. The Castro may also project a bolt of Nick Romantic force that access Through Israel Bolt reflects save DC thirteen. You have to be a Castro ninth level create this you'd prerequisites for craft magic arms and armor. Israel life chilled plane shift. The market price for such hammer is seventeen. Thousand Eight hundred twelve gold pieces. The Koster created is nine thousand. Sixty two gold pieces plus seven hundred experience points and it cost eight pounds. Oh man amazing. There's one more item from the relics rituals lost Lore that I am going to discuss next week. And then we'll dig into the encyclopedia magic of volume two. So for me myself and I- Mahalo and have a great day again. Thank you for listening to magic. You can find us at W. W. Dot Southgate Media Group Dot Com. You can find a long show on faceless just by searching Kevin or you can email us at Kevin long show at DOT com.
David Spade, Laura Dern, Lil Mushroom
"Hi it's it's Ellen Degeneres. Welcome to my podcast. We're GONNA listen to some of the best moments from the show and it's going to be hosted by four executive producers that I love happy be listening on Today's episode of Ellen on the Go David Spade talks all about Adam sandlers daughter Crazy Bat Mitzvah. Laura dern finally gets a street cred. She deserves with their teams Ellen meets a special jeopardy contestant who made Alex trebek's emotional and probably made you emotional too and today we'll have time. Little mushroom is back to talk to our favorite Andy Ambassador. I have to correct because as executive producer and sold you on the podcast. It's not a Bat Mitzvah it's about Mitzvah. It's about minutes Yeah Kevin Arizona Crazy Bat Mitzvah everybody. Welcome to Ellen on the go. Mary Connolly Andy Jewish Christian genius. Ed Glavin Kevin even the second nomination that nomination welcome sweek happy Thursday. Thanks giving and we're thankful for you for listening to this our waste league. Yeah I'm I'm sorry you have nothing else to lead hope. This is lost. Whatever time you're trying to pack could not believe where weed out from thanks? It's crazy I feel like I was just talking to my kids. who were all depressed at summer was ending and I was saying to them? Don't worry before you know it. It's Halloween thanksgiving and I didn't totally mean it. Sure and it's already anyhow Thanksgiving she goes for you. Bet It doesn't feel I mean time is who's much more slowly when summer was like eternity now summer for me feels like we're back shootings primetime show in the middle of doing. This really made the first half of the season fly. By that's true. It felt really really different to break a staff earlier about. We're talking about giveaways which is a three night. Primetime special coming the calling. It's more of an event. I wouldn't even call it a sport. It isn't a veteran spectacular. Yeah it is spectacular and it's very exciting and where we're so excited for the world to see what we've already gotten to see. It was most stuff we do. where I'm I'll speak for myself steph? You guys do great. Yeah but this guy's put together. I am so blown away but when she helpful to I brought brought a little bit I cannot wait for everybody. Ellen's really feeling good. And you need the celebrities. Were saying how great you are when you went into have them signed paperwork and stuff very helpful to us. So when did we start talking about that show a year ago last week a year ago. We thought Oh that'd be fun. We'll just we'll just do that. Yeah that'd be great. We'll do that and then and when it actually came to US having to do it it turned out that we had to do it. While we're doing the talk show you help. We hadn't thought that part through Alan host. That was really hard really really hard on us. Really hard on a lot of people here but once we got to where we are actually doing the shows. I think everybody felt so good about what we were doing that. It made you sort of forget. It made the hardware for sure you're set your. DVR Is now December tenth eleventh and Twelfth Night. Television Tuesday Wednesday Thursday on the National Broadcasting Network Company on NBA on on the national seriously on NBC. I hi to honestly say Dvr now because you are not gonna WanNa miss this. It's one of the most gratifying things. We've we're very team. Yep It'll make you extra thankful this Thanksgiving for you guys very much. I'm thankful for Y'all of you guys and thankful for you guys. We'll talk more about that next week. We're thanks you putting together other special Thanksgiving episode. Yeah I'm trying to. We're trying to get it again. It's a budgetary thing but we're trying to get it for next week. Yeah who's your team. Who You you don't know them but it's a it's an people? How much of the Thanksgiving you help do? It's a good question and it's a good question No actually we're going to her sister's for Thanksgiving so and and does this thing where she sends out an email telling everyone one what terrorist sponsor for everyone. It's like side dishes. Whatever and the last thing on his andy water swear to God? I'm responsible tim bring water. Oh good job so they know what they can depend on me for but yeah. Where are you guys GonNa be Thanksgiving Mary? I'M GOING TO BE UP IN SEATTLE. I have I have cousins. Who have bought a restaurant called the grange in Duvall Washington? That's insane just outside of Seattle. They bought the restaurant about your Sitcom about bought. The they bought the restaurant about a year and a half ago and when they bought it. We're like we're coming. We're coming in there like great no. Don't come until Thanksgiving thanksgiving of two thousand nineteen. Wow and so. Are they doing giving in the restaurant in the restaurant. We rented a house. They'll be twelve of us in a house and then there's a couple of other other not renting other houses and we're all going to go up there and and have Thanksgiving cool. Yeah we're all all really looking forward to it. How about you Kevin? I'm going to be home in Arizona with my family was going to host it here. But with the wedding and everything else we decided to shift Tucson. So you'll with Kevin Leman the first doctor. Yeah and the document. All this is all the family Hannah has to go to her in laws for Thanksgiving thing. But we'll get it for Christmas that that is in South Dakota. Wow very beautifully. Who's in South Dakota? Hannah's husband and the families interest to Kota. Yeah wow that's incredible. Oh yeah she loves what are you doing any. I think. We're going to be in in Punta in Mexico. Well everybody I think so. Yeah I think all five of us are going to be there and I say I think because I have an exquisite ability to just put blinders on and not think about any of that stuff then in shoutout out to Debbie Glavin. It makes it all happen. The world's best travel coordinator. Gosh remarried to me. I mean you should hear her. When when I hear Debbie on the phone with an airline I feel as impressed by Debbie's behaviour as I do sorry for the person on the other end there will be we know additional fees? We will get assignments closed. I say you're open and if you don't know where or that's from it's from a movie called vacation with Chevy Chase If you haven't seen Beverly Young Funny Debbie Glavin books my life for for me and it is. It is so cool it is the best thing you know in return She spends every penny of. Yep that's why you're working by now you've likely heard about Disney plus the new streaming service concludes Disney Pixar Marvel Star Wars and National Geographic Dizzy. Plus is now available in the US and it has one of the most incredible libraries in the entire streaming landscape and it's all ad free from beloved classics like Snow. White and the seven. dwarves to modern blockbusters like Captain Marvel and avengers and game. Two critically acclaimed documentaries like national. Sean geographics Free Solo to content on Disney plus is truly unparalleled Disney plus also offers beloved series like the simpsons host originals like the mandatory on the first first ever Star Wars live action series as well as high school musical the musical the series of very meditate on a very beloved franchise film no Wonder Disney plus has become one of the most talked about streaming services of two thousand nineteen. So don't miss out. Sign up for Disney plus right now and start streaming all of this content today. Let's talk about David Spade. Andy Tell me about this Bat Mitzvah Bat Mitzvah and the Bible are when a Jewish young boy or girl get to the age of either in some customs. Twelve or thirteen boys is always thirteen. Some girls do at twelve or thirteen. And it's sort of the coming of age where on a very the the really heavy serious definition of it that I don't enjoy is it's where the kids Sins become their own and not of their parents. That's that's the scary. My version is it's just where a child becomes an adult and then translate this Hebrew. Yeah I don't know what daughter a you are now. A daughter bought is daughter. Bar is son of Mitzvah which is doing good deeds so you are now responsible for doing a Mitzvah. Means the good indeed. You do yours at time in their life when they have to sort of step up to a little more family response is a little more responsibility and a little more our responsibility in the community little more responsibility in the family and in its purest form. It's just when a child gets called to the Torah in synagogue and then they do a little little A little maybe the lunch and after or just maybe a little alcohol and cake and Soda but what it's turned into is basically an excuse as for giant parties They look insane. They look fun especially in New York and L. A. where people aren't saying They make these gigantic eight parties right and so David Spade was here talking about his Jewish friend Adam Sandler and his daughter who was going to have about Mitzvah and and David Spade described what it's like when you're Adam Sandler and you throw a Bar Mitzvah. Who Do you get to sing at at a Bar Mitzvah Mitzvah Adam Sandler? Obviously Adam Levine. And Maroon five right. That's a little bit of him. Describing what sounds like the greatest bump Mitzvah in the history of Los Tantalus say you so adam. Levine performed at Adam sandlers daughters but Mitzvah Mitzvah. Yeah and you were there. That must have been a very cool but Nigga house great got my tickets on Stubhub scalpels. It was worth it. I went there sandler heads to beautiful young daughters and a one was having her big shindig their friends with my daughter too so we all went but I saw a couple months before. I said you're GONNA have a LO- whole thing is gonna be crazy. 'cause I've heard you know Sandler's rich by the way look it it up and And they said I said you know they had these crazy parties and she goes well. It's just going to be a theme of space and then there's going to be like sparkles on the ceiling on. Let's nice finally like a normal party like like I had a kid so I go there. Oh was I wrong. It's literally like Jeff Bezos. Giving rocket rides rides Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. The lunar landing there on Musk jetpack. It was was so beyond crazy. Eighteen rooms like well. What's the thinking? Why would it not be crazy? It was so fun so bananas are great. Time and then and I think Oh. Adam Levine on top of everything else all these girls. Can you picture who likes that. They went crazy crazy and he came out jams tunes. Everyone had fun. That's very cool. And you said your daughter was air. How old is Harper? Now she's eleven. Wow that's amazing. Yeah I saw a picture of you with her. She's I can't believe they just they She's been great. Oh there she is look at a rate that was there that was from in the daytime and then we went to the Shindig at night. Well it was a daytime and nighttime thing yeah. She got McDonald's because she was behaving now mayor. You recently recently went to six flags magic mountain. I did you have a nice time. I had a great time. I I I helped host about six six young Women Sixteen Age Girls Magic Mountain Fancy feet dance. School had a performance there and then I walked around Magic Mountain with with get paid. If you say fancy feet. I hope so another another mom and I think there were six kids and they went on every roller coaster. There was to go on and I sat held bags and talking locker. I was walking locker. Sounds like you would David spade. Have something in common. I it went right up to him and said I the entire day there. Yeah exactly right into we talked about it Buxton. Yeah Yeah David Spade just never disappoint points when he comes here and he always has a couple of stories and he tells us stories and they're great and he tells a story about taking his eleven year old daughter to Magic Mountain and his impressions impressions magic around and see everything go on rides so take a listen to the brilliant David Spade but we did go to magic mountain six flags. It's called six flags magic mountain and we don't need the six flags part. I'm going to tell them right now from a marketing standpoint because six flags boring magic mountain is the hook like six flags is nowhere flag six out of ten now just six. I don't even understand so magic mountain. That's what it is harper wants to go there and I go. Let's do it and I'm a little scared to go. But by the way spoiler alert more mountain and magic agic. I have to say it's not even fifty fifty and ninety nine percent mountain. Tiny bit of magic. Almost you don't see it was cheese on fast. It's a magic mountain. Stop No more mountain so I go there and my little spin legs it. It was traumatic because it's on amount. They say the title. I didn't think on a mountain rides on top of the mountain. So everyone's in Hell Mountain. I go there. I'm like huffing and puffing and then Harper's like let's go on these twelve rides harper. Let's just look around. Do we have to go on rides wherever you so much fun just talking. That didn't work so and the riots aren't even like fun little rides. I it's a fun little roller coaster. Great I mean it's like a car crash these rights. Do you know what I mean like. They're you're so ridiculously terrifying scary and it's like this one is called the telephone pole. You go a thousand miles an hour. You hit a wall I did want and I was like this on. The Horn of people are getting out crying calling lawyers and laying the homework. They bring the jaws of life out. I'm out there. That'll be three tickets and stand there and Harper's what what else am I know. This is she and my girl. They went on all the rights. I just sat in the side and I walk them and it wasn't even getting close to the rides anymore. I'm like I think it's right around that Ben. It was fun fact this like our vacation episode. That's where they shot vacation. Oh is that right. The World Anti David Spade is as funny when his stories are not working as he is when they are working right enjoys an he enjoys a story story. That goes south but these these were just Jenner's just fan tastic. I agree. So here's the thing you can learn so much. Get an ancestry. DNA Kit okay. All right if you wonder where your family comes from you can learn about them and you can learn more about your story if you combine the ancestry. 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And it's so easy to get started anyway. GO TO ANCESTRY DOT COM com Slash Ellen today for twenty percent off your ancestry. DNA Kit that's ancestry dot com slash E. L. L. E. N.. For twenty percent off your ancestry. DNA Kit that's ancestry dot com slash. Ellen Mary yes you've a personal friendship with Laura dern I do have a personal friendship with Laura Dern I I've known Laura dern since I worked with David Letterman and Laura dern would come on and be a guest on the show and then we had children around the same time and her daughter Jaya and my daughter. Sara were at preschool together and then they went to elementary school together and middle school together and they have split off. They don't go to high school together. Now but Laura dern has been a friend and it's so exciting to see what's happening with her career career and how it's taken off. She seems like a really incredible human she is she is as she seems and Konya West wore a t shirt with her face on it from blue velvet and that got the attention of her kids ellery and Jaya to the point. Wait where they for for a moment thought their mom was cool. Gave a little streak crave her a little street. cred to the point where Laura than on our show. Oh gave a shout out and take take a listen to this every character. You're playing now by the way I mean going back to blue velvet like I mean Kanye West is wearing you on his shirt like you've played some iconic characters that people relate to that is amazing. Yeah a whole other the reason. Yeah thanks to the amazing designer. Wraps Simmons who paid homage to David David Lynch in his work. But what he didn't know is he actually gave me a tiny bit of credit in my household of teenagers. And I'm really grateful it. Any rapper comes on this show and you want to just hand them a shirt with my face on it. I really appreciate it. Okay if it's really working for me. Every mother should somehow get this opportunity community when their kids are like our name the rappers and I'll I'll send him some shirt. Okay I like it. Who Do your kids? Who are they into well? Rocky I mean in but rocky rocky start expecting a shirt soon. Okay all right you can work on that okay. Good then Kendrick could wear a shirt. You wouldn't be mad of Kendrick. Lamar no I wouldn't be mad. We'll just visit David Lynch on live. I'm not saying there is a slight self-serving aspect to the sure I added nine. It's not yelled at all the way to school a break in it. It sounds horrible to have children. I mean it really does horrible. What do you have to be to be a whole mom? Your Laura Dern so Laura's open for anyone Any rapper who might want to her and you know. WE'RE T shirt with her face on it to help her out as a mom. The way I see is the Konya wearing a t-shirt with Laura dern on it is like like that time at Andy bought some easies from China. Sure seems about right and he got him really cheap corona mbare real because while he's in the room he's he's not paying attention and they're real and they were real easies were they were. They were just. I found a good deal in China. No I don't think so. So you know you wonder why you found a good deal in China. I think they probably had a lot of extras and they were able to slash. The price is to fifty five dollars. Real really real real and you can. They're real by how well they've aged. Yeah alright all right speaking of Andy enough about indie. Now we got one more thing buddy we have so we close it up our room and So yes andy. What are we talking about Andy? Little mushrooms little mushroom so little mushroom as a dancer from China and yet he is now I think eleven years old junkie nine I I think so nine years old. And we've we've been. She brought the easiest for Andy on her first appearance. Yes we booked her when she she was like six and she was just this little half pint and she liked to wear like a suit with vest and for six. You're like Oh my God the screen. Oh can dance. Yeah now she well. She recently won a dance competition. She won the Grand Prize in the dance competition and it was an adult dance competition. And she's a phenomenal. A nominal dancer. And she sorta specializes in like sort of sharp robot-like moves and and so we brought her back. She she did a dance she did a routine for us and then at her request she wanted to teach Andy right how to do the robot and I have to tell you it was a kind of career rally because she stood next to him and they're very basic moves next to him and she would do a little move with their hands and then he would do it and then she would go over to him and forced I his hands to the positions. Oh God I need to go to your DVR. And I'm not a good to start and I don't have a lot of coordination and and she's adorable and I didn't think she would be so strict about would be like a fun little dense thing and I was like okay right sweet. No what was what was particularly sweet about her is how specific she wanted. Certain things to be that you did God and and you my body. He didn't manipulate and hoping being a dad. Yeah even though. It wasn't exactly where you want it to be. You had endless patience for what she wanted to do. Because A. you're super sweet guy and be. It played great for comedy. And she didn't she didn't see I had had no choice as usual. Now you you're going to behave a little. You know you you you played at this point. I'm against a good guy. Really Kev. Barry we're talking about how good a guy very good. We're going to be so angry. I said you're very good. We're going to do granted I try to get Kevin to be the guy to tell the story and he's like no don't I wasn't there I wasn't there the talent segment and I did love. Andy's dynamic with our at one point Andy goes we have other guests again was going on. I go on go along and and so we use half of it in the show and then put half of it online. And she's an angel girl she she's always so oh happy upbeat and I just I just And also can we just say how fantastic our translator grace's grace's grace grace grace is absolutely amazing. We keep thinking like oh we should do more with grace and we should hire grace and then we asked you know some important questions in grace's in highschool grace is just terrific. She's a great relationship with teen years old. And just and just it's so so much fun to have little mushroom on because you also get grace. What else you want to do on the show? How how else can we help you? What do you WanNa do me? Tell me sound CIANCI Jim I wonder what's your MP choke there's children if you're busy day your pals lawful yeah. What's she wants to teach Andy how to dance their requirements? Because Andy has to do push ups curl ups and and squats. Oh Wow I doubt that can happen. But let's give it a try aright. Yeah where we where. Where do you WanNa do this right here? Come on out Andy. The here listed that down. Maybe we cut right to the dancing thing and we do the workout later. He's whatever you. She wants a little mushrooms her. Wish all right okay. What yeah since he took? Yeah there's more. Why would this end? Why can't see assume it's right? They do the building. Let's put it together. What's the end game? Show me tell me what what she's looking for. There's other people on the show let's just to get to There's one more thing I know. We've we've talked a lot. There's one more thing I want to get to. Yes displeased this is this is a story near and dear to my heart as as friends who know me like you guys. Do you know that when my daughter Emily is home. We Watch we binge jeopardy jeopardy. Sure pretty is one of Emily Emily. Emily got the brains in the family. What are you GONNA do? She's twenty five. I'm fifty six and she gets more jeopardy interest correct than I do. I tend to get the beer categories. He's in the sports categories of music. She gets together together you yes we could play one. You're a complete. Yeah we could compete. So Andy and I are are are on twitter a lot and he's on twitter a lot more than I am and I'm basically a devotee of Andy's on basically here to amplify Andy's voice and on and on twitter order big mistake that night. We see this story that breaks of this kid who was on jeopardy. I save all the jeopardy's until emily gets home so I didn't see it on TV and we see this kid whose name was was I think dhruv Gar on jeopardy and a college tournament us from Brown University and at the at the final jeopardy he had two thousand dollars and leading an leader had one thousand nine thousand dollars so he mathematically did not have a chance to win so while he may have known the answer to final jeopardy he chose to use the no chance of winning and he chose to use that moment to make his answer what What is we love you? Alex for Alex Trebek's who as they were taping. The episode learned that he had at the beginning. Second round of Chemo for his. I believe pancreatic cancer and Alex Trebek is a legend in every household in America including this and that choked. Alex Trebek's up which I have never seen in. All the talk is so stars blow up on twitter and E tweets it. I re tweeted. Read it when Andy tweets it. The KID DHRUV follows Andy on twitter at which begins a conversation between Andy me and Carl Hogan who works as a senior human interest interest producer. Here and she's not on the show and we'll start talking about it long story. Short and e books. The kid from twitter twelve hours later or fourteen hours later the is from Brown University in Providence Rhode Island to La Right to do our show. And I don't think I can make it tomorrow. I mean I'm in I'm in Providence Rhode Island I go the we'll be seeing you tomorrow. I don't think he understood how this was gonNA take. You understand who you're dealing with you get yourself to t.f green and on and we'll fly you out and ELM is really sweet and Ellen I texted Ellen and said are you aware of this and deliver it and she said I do. I WANNA see him as soon as poss. Bring him to me and so we did. And here's a little clip of his segment on our show. So this episode aired on Monday but when did you actually shoot that so we actually shot it in mid September. It was right after Alex had actually announced publicly that he was going to reenter. Chemotherapy pancreatic cancer right and he had come back actually to the Green Room and talk to all the contestants who were on the tournament and we could really tell them like it was tough for him so when I got up there like obviously yeah. I wasn't GonNa win the game or anything so I was like I could try to figure out the right answer or you know I could do something for this person who might need it right now. That was really sweet. That was really amazing. Emotional everybody urine huge fan. Anyway you've been on the show before I have yes about a year and a half ago I actually want one hundred thousand dollars on the ship. How many days I was on four days then and then two days this time two days this time and so you weren't doing well and like you said you just decided you probably could've come up with the answer answer but instead of doing that because they weren't going to win anyway you decide to do something really thoughtful in suite? That was amazing. So what did you do with a one hundred thousand so I go to Brown on which costs a lot of money so I spent a good amount of it on tuition and another thing I decided to do is I took like twenty friends out to eat and paid for all their meals does and they apparently according to the check out a lot of fun and so that can add up. Yeah you probably didn't think there's GonNa be as much as it was no. I didn't but you know it's all good. Yeah so and then What is the response? been like since you've been on the show it's been crazy so I was The Watch party for this episode with my friends and my mom texted me. She was like you're trending on twitter and I was like okay. Mom like eight tweets as it trending and then she was like no really like check and we love you. Alex was like in the top ten trending hashtags on twitter and since then lake. It's been really crazy like I'm here. Also like Ryan Reynolds Chrissy. Teigen like all tweeted this moment. And there's just been like a lot energy around this subscribed today on Apple podcasts spotify or wherever you're listening right now check out some of these clips on your DVR because there as visual as they are audible. And don't forget to watch Ellen Weekdays for even more Ellen Fun thanks everyone go to general public art checkout portions. Che's company Great Holiday Gifts. We don't pay for that we would so love to know more about to hear at Ellen on the go please head over to wonder dot com slash survey. It's a really short survey. That will help make this show better. The wonder DOT COM Slash Survey W. O. N. D. E. R. Y.. 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5 Trivia Questions on Animals
"It's five questions on random animals with my pale and trivia host Cam malador from wreck my podcast. This is trivia with buds. It be and welcome to another episode of the trivia with buds podcast. I'm your host Ryan buds. And I am recording. This today on a super rainy week in Los Angeles. It is super super wet outside in the rain is really coming down like cats and dogs. So they say try to explain that phrase to my daughter the other day, and she said, I have never seen a cat or dog come out of the sky. What the hell are you talking about? So that was fun. If you like podcasts that have trivia questions in them you've come to the right place. We put this show out every single bay, and you can hit subscribe on your device to get a new pop culture trivia pursued on your device daily. Today's episode is all about animals, it's kind of a totally random one little quick chat with my friend Cam. For Cam host trivia for me at Pocock brewing company in Santa Clarita, California, just across the street from magic mountain if you've ever been to that theme park in the LA area and Cam, and I sat down and. And he quizzed me on these five animal questions, and I think I did pretty well on these better than I thought that I would so you can listen to our chat, and you can also check out Cam on the weekly and sometimes twice a week wreck my podcast podcast hosted by Jordan Zeilinger. You could find that wherever podcasts are found. And it's great for nostalgia in pop culture and just thinking back to the eighties nineties and all the stuff you loved growing up. If you're about my age, and even if you're older, you can go I remember those things if you're younger, you can go I should know more about those things like the girl the other day who had never heard a Michael Jackson song besides thriller. That was quite a conundrum for her. She goes, I don't know any songs except thriller. So I'm not going to be good at eighties. Bingo. I couldn't believe it. And it was it was crazy. But she had a good time at the trivia party. Nonetheless, you guys can find out more info on me and playing trivia with me by going to my website trivia with buds dot com, click around and see what suits your fancy if you wanna play live trivia if you wanna. Answer some questions online. If you want to find more podcast episodes all that is available at trivia with buds dot com without any further. Do we're going to jump into this episode today with Cam baladora on animals five questions coming up. Here. We go. Sitting here in Santa Clarita, California with my friend, Cam malador, what's up, Tim? How're you doing? I'm doing pretty good. How's your long winter break going? It's going fantastic. You have about a week off. Yeah. You teach at a private high school and you've been off for six months. Basically, they give six months off of the holidays. This is my fourth week off in a row, very getting paid the whole time. That's amazing. So you're just got a little mini vacation here just doing podcasts up the wazoo. As they say eat a little bag of unwrapped Snickers bites. I love it. They're like, listen know, the worry about rappers. I know much time that takes these are unwrapped like dog treats enjoy these unwrapped over like two thirds of this bag in twelve seconds. That's the best very good. I get the bag of chocolate chip cookies from albertsons and eat it almost before. I get home. It's eighteen cookies. I'm surprised that there's even an albertsons. You can go to there's like one eventually a couple as you get further east where I live. Visit good podcast banter. We're talking about trivia and Cam, and you gotta fund sweater their howling. I I thought it was the Wu Tang symbol. But then I realized you were leaned back, and I just saw the bottom. And I assume that that was the looting symbol. And then you set up it was like a magic I popped out now to howling wolf. Yeah. That's go. We'll claiming. And you are my most requested trivia has feel that makes me feel really good. Feels pretty good. You're doing a big event big charity event over in the Valencia area. Yeah. Place called Pino palette. We're used to work they request you. They have Cam. I said it'll be ten thousand dollars. Yeah. I said it's a fundraiser. As I said. Thousand dollars. Yeah. You get hundred bucks. It'll be good time. So that's coming up on January sixteenth Wednesday night, and I'll be covering for you at Pocock brewing. Where usually host every Wednesday seven to nine, and it should be a fun little January here, and you have some questions for me on a certain topic. I said surprise me see if he can quiz me on five questions. What's your theme? A surprise. It's a animals boy animals. Okay. Just general a woman to do poke him on. But I just wanted to avoid all the beds scored old jokes shareholding. It would have been a nonstop squirrel fun. Okay. So you're going to ask me some questions about animals. I'm definitely not going to get these. Right. So I'm going to say I'm gonna get one out of five. Okay. All right, number one, only to mammals lay eggs named one of them. Platypus that's one of them. Yes. I don't know. Why knew that do you know the other one? Mammal that lays eggs is it something stupid like a platypus. That's. It's names really stupid. Snuffle off that. Because a real animal. Yeah. Okay. Barry, harry. Yeah. Heff alums. I know it's a spiny an eater or duck billed platypus. Okay. Spiny eaters home. They eat ants. That's what they do. I heard the name -sually. Very good. The rumors are true. Number two. Yes. What type of creature is a Portuguese, man. A war. Real quick. I already got my quote one out of five. Yeah. You feel good about that? The rest of this is just cruise control a Portuguese man, a war. I think at a fish what kind of fish swim in one one of those swimming fishes swimming around. It's a jellyfish Joey. I know animals you do I do have a couple of dogs. So should be pretty easy. That's good. All right. I'd be really concerned. If you like, oh, I've got a Portuguese man award. I do you know, that's the most poisonous jellyfish on the planet. You know that like it'd be good. If you get stung, by the way, he said that was not, okay. No. But a Portuguese man of war. Like, if it stings you you have like twelve minutes to live boy Macab for your podcast. Yeah. Number three. What is the largest mammal in the world? Largest mammals. Gotta be a Wael. It is a whale. What kind of oil? It's a. I wanted them big old Wales. Blew it is a balloon is your three for three round feeling about this. Yeah. Your regular. Yeah. I'm really pretty good with animals one time, I had a fish named Sharkey and he died very quickly. And then I got those dogs here. We are. We're all caught up. Yeah. All right guiding the end the dog's got your back. Yeah. I don't know what accent. All right, number four number four a murder squid next question. Number four, a murder is a collective group of one be a crow because of the incubus album crow left of the murder. It's like you've been reading my live journal acquired questions from things I've posted and two thousand one now. Absolutely. Is there live journal syllable? I don't think it'd be I don't know. So much by I don't know. Why did why do we both look at Jordan? Because not only would he definitely have one. He would totally by live journal dot com. Guys, I'm bringing it back. Hey want to go to Vegas waiting for a bus? I'm doing all right next one number. Number five. What type of animal is known as a Mexican hairless? Cat. Let's dog the one thing I know about because I have them. I thought dog I, but then I thought cat because you have cats, and I thought you were going to do a cat thing. A cat is a type of dog. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. It's the type of a Mexican hairless is a like a. Mexican hairless dogs a Chihuahua mix. No Mexican hairs is like one of those creepy dogs that looks like a tuba Kavre. Listen to wreck my podcast about our critics episode. I'll what are those cats that look all oh, Johnny has one. And it's not neutered yet. So it looks like a scrotum with a scrotum o double scrotum. Yeah. You have one is it going to get along with your cats? I don't know. I'm a lifetime movie called my sister's cat as well. My sister's cat. Very offensive. Gyp, shin, hairless or something. Yes. That's right. That's maybe what I was thinking of something hairless. Yeah. Rachel one on friends at one point. She's always wanted one. And then it never she hates episode of friends. All right. We'll get some and then watched the show. Okay. So you get some get some friends. Oh, I thought you may get some hairless. And then watch it Gamba's questions were fantastic. Mostly because I aced most of five you got a great about that eighty percent. Do I win unwrapped Snickers bite. Yeah. You can have as many as you want. All right. Very gold Jordan feed be one of those non just kidding. To unwrap Snickers with Tallboy diet, Pepsi the room explodes. And we don't want to lose all your awesome. Funchal vitals, Jordan, Jordan. Thanks for hosting this double podcast recording in your office one. And and Cam, thank you for the amazing animal questions, and then you wanna plug before you get out of here. Yeah. Why don't you? Go ahead. And listen to my podcast on. I don't know everywhere. Yeah. And I'm a regular guest host on their I guess their co host or whatever the Halley, I'm pretty much Jordan's co host love it. Iraq, my podcast thing. If you subscribe to our top tier patriot, I draw you a picture every month. So that's amazing. And I go to my podcast dot com. The brand new website and see all the fun stuff about a show about pop culture. NSL Joe that you will just love new episodes every Wednesday. Thanks guys, sometimes and sometimes Mondays sometimes riding. Cheers spy lovey. There. It was a fun chat and discussion about animals with the crew from wreck my podcast, Jordan. Thanks for letting us record in your office. Cam thanks for the great questions on animals, if you wanna play trivia with Cam, if you like the cut of his jib, you could play at Pocock brewing company every Wednesday at seven pm in Santa Clarita, California. You can also play with me on Wednesday night at last name brewing in upland, California around the same time, and you can play with my friend Matt Jones over at Turnbull's tavern. The rest of this month in January two thousand nineteen in Whittier, California, those are just on Wednesday. You could see all my other live trivia event. Schedule shows on trivia with buds dot com. Thank you guys. So much for telling a friend about this show. And we'll see you tomorrow for more trivia with buds. 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Magic Monday: the Bonewhip
"Welcome to the Magic Mountain site ship. The long ship production of Southgate Media Group. You can find us at. Www Dot south Jimmy group dot music is titled by Kevin McQuillan of in COBB UTECH DOT COM. Broke free music as long as you give Jude. This episode of Magic Monday is brought to you. By tweak audio dot com you know podcast and totally awesome headphones thirty percent off and free shipping head over tweaked audio dot com and in the checkout box type south or you get there through. Arlington Southie Media Group DOT COM. This episode is also brought to you by where you can find us at support us by typing in the search bar. Dog Kevin Launch All right it's that time of the week again time for Magic Monday. And welcome to the first episode of season to where we're GONNA explore so many more magic items and maybe we'll get into more spells than just the two that we did last season. We'll see what happens. Were not only going to look in volume two of the Encyclopedia Com magic. But we've got today. The swords and sorcery relics and rituals to lost. Oh man this is amazing. And I haven't even started reading it yet. I've just been skimming through it and today we're going to look at the bone with. I am in love with his weapon so much so that one of my characters that I'm using for Adventure League is going to have a bone whip. She's going to rip it right out of the Devil GonNa grab that Devil and rip out his spine in that is going to be her own. Whip and it is going to be absolutely amazing so we don't WanNa get too far into the description. However I do want to point out that this is a favor weapon of people in Hollow Fest Hollow is a city that is run by the dead. The only humans let me rephrase that the only living creatures Arthur calls and food and IT IS AMAZING K. Very they vary from four to nine feet in length with six feet being the average the last few segments of the whip are covered in bronze and silver bullets have a bone handle twelve to fifteen inches in length bound in wire and robbed with Lizard. Skin lead there here are the powers. It is a plus three whip. It do subdural irregular damage as the wilder desires. There is dope penalty to attack regardless what type of damage? The wilder is attempting to inflict because the bone whip is animated and research representative of the wilders. Will it can wrap around an enemy's leg or other limb enabling it to make a trip attack with a plus six bonus bone whips also add a plus two bonus on any opposed attack rule when attempting to disarm an opponent here are the prerequisites to casting the bone whip to casting to creating tenth level caster level and of course prerequisites craft magic arms and armor animate dead market price is eighteen thousand. Three hundred won. Gold pieces cost to create is nine thousand. Three hundred in one goal pieces plus seven hundred and twenty x. p. and it weighs three pounds. Oh man this is going to be one amazing weapon. Oh My Gosh. So many ideas. I am. Let you in on a little secret. That we're coming out with a new show on Tuesdays is going to be creating stuff and I'm super excited for this. We're just going to create a village. We're actually going to work on creating a world and it's going to be great so for me myself and I am a hollow and have a great day again. Thank you for listening to magic. You can find us at W. W. Dot Southgate Media Group Dot. You can find a long show on facebook by searching Kevin or you can email us at Joe at g mail DOT COM.
3/18/21: Democrats scramble for united front to keep governor in office and more news
"This is the l. a. times it's thursday march eighteenth. Here's today's news brought to you by hotseat. A new memoir from jeff. Immelt the ceo of general electric. Raw honest intimate. Hotseat is that. And more as emily recounts would like to be a leader in times of crisis by your copy of hotseat today. Wherever books are sold today will be partly sunny and pleasant with a high of sixty eight tonight. Expect clear skies and a low of fifty to our top story. Backers of the recall against california governor gavin newsom formally submitted the last of their petitions yesterday. The state won't finish certifying the signatures for several weeks. Election officials must determine. How many are valid by april. Twenty ninth recall. Supporters said last week that they had gathered about two million signatures more than the one point. Five million they need for an election to take place. The governor acknowledged this week that he expects the recall effort to qualify. Newsom also went on a national media tour this week speaking out against the recall. It's still unclear whether any democrats will enter the race to replace him as an insurance policy against the growing field of republican candidates in other news yesterday l. A. county sheriff. Alex via web denied that deputies gave tiger woods any special treatment in their investigation of last month's crash that left him hospitalized. He says there was no obvious. Evidence of impairment the who quickly labeled crashes purely an accident did say his agency needs more drug recognition. Experts sheriff's investigators didn't seek a warrant in the hours after the crash to run toxicology reports to see if the golfer was drunk or under the influence of drugs. According to vienna web woods has been released from the hospital. Meanwhile the irs is planning to delay the april fifteenth tax filing deadline by about one month the filing extension would give taxpayers additional time in what is becoming one of the most complicated tax seasons in decades accountants and leaders in congress have called to delay the due date as new legislation and pandemic related work. Changes have disrupted taxpayer plans. The agency is still figuring out what the final will be but it will likely be mid-may in entertainment. News disneyland and disney. California adventure are scheduled to reopen. On april thirtieth. That's what park officials announced it yesterday. Capacity will be limited and some attractions will have restrictions under state guidelines. The parks will be limited to fifteen percent of capacity only in-state visitors will be allowed in meanwhile universal studios hollywood representatives. Say there park will open late. April and knots berry. Farm in buena park is expected to open in may officials say exact dates will be announced later. Six flags. magic mountain in. Valencia has yet to release any reopening date information and find elite los angeles times brings you image or new style magazine celebrating la creatives and intellectuals in the first issue our contributors reflect on la style and fashion as well as the cultural icons and trends that. Make the city what it is. Our stories are dedicated to the limitless. Brilliance of the city subscribers will get a copy and friday's print edition. You can view it online by visiting l. a. times dot com slash image.
Off The Record: Is JK Just a Relic? + Casual Relationships (ft. Tim C. & Jason Chen)
"We need. Three to one action. All. Whatever we want to, check, my tongue is elated. Welcome back. Jason Chan doesn't feel like. Asian. Youtube two thousand. Eight we're all about the do a show in. Jail? and. You do. You know what I think like Oh we're the Asian youtubers if rick was here everybody else's here that art region they're still Asian to me he's your boyfriend forever. Oh. Yeah. That's my favorite video ever. Boyfriend was my top one and whenever I talk about. Asian. Youtube era I always talk about like I'm always again. Engines. Engines Asian. Art. Part of that whole scene, the memories like even Tori Kelly I view as Asian Youtube. Part of that like Asian singing group. It was seen as a movement, the in and out always yeah. Always after the cells man could times. Brown. You Miss Them. It was a fun. It was like a really, really fun time to be liking your knees and then getting booked and flying out doing art getting paid to travel the world fucking like we filled like. Really big venues. Those crazy. It was pretty fun. Wild. Dream now. It feels like a different light. Yeah. It's only just to drink. But you still do shows like in China and stuff, right But not this year obviously all of the Asian like college shows or whatever variety with the died down but I feel like you still get them for like specific. Asian holidays. Like Chinese New Year's or like normally like mid Autumn Festival. I. Probably be somewhere in China knowing around here. Oh. College show still colleges are still pretty good I mean they were before the When we were still allowed to travel I liked I I started getting, hit up to do speaking engagements, and now is like my favorite it's so easy. Yeah. When I didn't have to perform. Put on a show. Literally, I could just like talk for an hour doolittle Q. and A. and I still could like get the bag and just kind of talk and at first I was like why? Are. Kids even going to come. But then I realized that all the kids have started watching me, I watched them when they were younger, they're all in college now. So it's all like my some og supporters coming up just ask me questions. Yeah it's pretty it's sorta see you pretty much sometimes like a relic now for back then it was like Oh. Yeah we're like the same age and now it's like all I. Used to watch when I was a kid, you got these get like people come up to you bro starting watching you and junior high just graduated college man thanks advice video with Holy Shan't looking past like you feeling old when they say that I really do appreciate those comments because I'm just like Dan like you've been like a supporter for so long and I don't know I really like it you don't go like. Wait a minute. So you have nobody in your life in I was the one that was giving you this kind of insight and wisdom I feel fucking sorry for you. Man You need to raise the bar there so much better shit online. Now, when we started, it was only us bro and plus like you gotTa, you gotta imagine a lot of these kids that writing to me for like relationship advice they couldn't talk to their parents about sex. Everybody was afraid. Of. That's something that's why we made feels we'll never forget with your shitting get starring because asked a feels like I was like man how come everybody so shamed of like being sexual and all that stuff and it'll be kind of cool if. We can talk openly about problems and things and see that it's Like everybody goes through the same ship. It was so funny because two of the most common things was. Big Enough and my boyfriend won't fuck me. Things that. You would think right like everyone is like you would think that the guys live. BEATO. was always higher than the girls but we had so many messages is like, yeah my boyfriend doesn't Fuck me enough. How do I get them to fuck me I think I mean yeah you gotta realize. Girls Corneas dudes. They just don't they get shamed for it. They don't know how to ask for it and or if they want to too much in the guys lack. I'm not that morning or anything leg or like a lot of girls they WANNA have sex on the first day but then they have that whole like all if I give it up on the first day like you know they looked at as a whole or whatever care yeah you could care less. She folks on the first day than just as with them forever. My my style yeah. Yeah. Hell Ya. Not Changed my perspective of really helped mold that for me is on our outkast album on the love below there's a little interlude where under the thousand he just likes smashed some chick and he's like man she probably thinks that I think she's some kind of whole but I don't care about giving up on the first day that that just lets me know she knows what she wants out of life and I was like. Even appears. Hundred. Thousand. If they. Did it just change. Pulled it up a little bit. With. His beamy. Every time if they're good, doesn't that make you immediately addicted and you want to keep going over I kept them for. That's why Casey was supposed to be your whole phase and then. There was a first the first whole phase got failed because instead of being a whole has been. The relationship your bag. Good. Or you're just a wack groupie. Fall in. Love right away. You should have waited an test out all kinds trying to, and then you go back to him and. Bed. That's a good way to tell though is like you get it on and then you go home didn't at work or like I wanNA. Come back and try again I dunno knowing what I know now and I fuck around with this law and going like man if I can go back. I would have wanted to put up a lot more but I don't think. I would. Be I. Don't think I would think I. Think I'd have too many like like like things that have to check off before I'm attracted to a guy. Would say casual is never as good as like you got a little bit I need really connected shit. Pretty sweet as. Everyone's different girls to that are like I don't think it's a male female thing I. think it's just a personality thing like friendship fucking is the best I think I can do Cumberland. Like. You can't be longtime friends. You guys are fucking friendship and what's so weird. It was so weird I was like I would tell him I can't believe I'm fucking Bart. This is weird. I really had to look past it. It was hard. We had those conversations in the middle of sex. Yet you'll be like, this is so weird bottom I know Gio Because we were. Eating. This is so rea-, tell you what I did not expect it to look like this. Let me tell you. Really, relate because of my last relationship, we were actually really close friends for a while and same thing like every time we'd kiss in the beginning I'm like this. Weird. You're my best friend I take that back. I don't think friends should fuck. It's a step above casual, but it's a step below romantic of friends with benefits, right so like you enjoy each other's company keping good friends, then I wouldn't want to be. Yeah I think I can fuck an acquaintance where I'm like I. I don't want you for long term but I think you're attractive. You have like enough attractive qualities but I don't want long. With. Mike catch feelings, but it's not the right time for you to think that's pretty dope I back when like when it went on wasn't in like. Seriously and I was kind of like you know having finally homegirl and stuff like one of the best. And easiest like approaches would just be like Oh yeah, ha like we're friends or whatever. But then you thought out a little joke just to see how they react like. I let me. Let me massage booty I'm just playing unless you're down it was always like I'm just playing electric. So I was waiting for that moment and that's big but you can pray it like a joke and everybody knows test the waters. Yeah. Funny. Everyone can do that. Girls. Go ahead. Right well it's like. They're not down than we can all laugh for like. Just playing. But if they're doing respond down when they're on when they are down, it's like. Oh, my God you're so bad. Something like that how do you do flying casual versus like you both are going in for the same thing So, for example, right like my definition of casual will be like. Unexpected one nightstand or like just. Steam as hail. Real quick. And then you eat in planet but then there's also the other form of casual where you both are like, yeah. Just watch you physically but I enjoy your company, but it's it's like friends with benefits, right? There's no future like deeper romance or like a relationship. But. There's those two different kinds of casuals and to me I think that the getting to know a little bit casual but with the intention of no relationship is way better than. One night stand I dunno I. Think Planning is always very important plan afoot that day just planning in life. What do you mean but? What about what about just hooking up you go and you see somebody and then you like meet somebody and then you go allow what a steamy day in. She would plan to maybe hook up and. Possibly be friends. You know what else is good at planning though is like when you plan your finances, right? Exactly right because this video brought to you by upstart. Tough, times everyone is looking for feel more financially secure. If still throwing money at every month at the high interest credit card debt, it's time you checked out upstart the revolutionary lending platform that knows you're more than just the credit score. Now's the time to find out how low your upstart Rick Candy to help pay off high interest credit card debt unlike other lenders and other women. Upstart can reward you based on your education and job history in the form of a smarter rate. 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Your loan amount will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan application. Not all applications will qualify for the Fu amount. So Jason I'm curious how did you end up getting with your girl because as far as I know you're known as a picky guy and you they're going to say you can't get girls. Say Player no, it's like you just didn't like you were picky when picky player to get grew single for like. Three or four years far. Yeah. All you were I. Remember you being singled for a long time. I never seem to with the girl I have who wasn't. I don't remember all I. Remember all I do because we have to say birthday. Yeah and that's when jubilee. Happy Birthday for us in those. Funny. Awesome he went from zero recognition. After tips question why I I met her at a singing contest and then she actually asked for my number. So she hit on you but she had a boyfriend at the time. And it was like purely platonic and then she broke up with him to more five months later and came to shoot like a web series like right next to where I live. So we kinda like and that's when I had just gotten a puppy and she had a puppy so like. The dogs are just seemed like kind of like faded out the doggy style. Got You guys the dog. She bought a puppy just because she saw one rosie plan that whole thing. So you do have those two dogs like one is yours and one is hurt. Technically. Together. Now for five and a half years. Wow. Wow. You guys do a lot of tiktok videos together. I like the one where It's the one where she does a high heel and the girl catches it looks sexy but then it like missed because you walked into the frame and then you're the one. Close for you like a star now I'm aspiring to be a TIKTOK. He's a real stop and been able to. Get started on. MONTEK tough tough. Do you have a Tiktok? Hope you did because you wouldn't be able to download it. They blocked at last Sunday or some Oh really. Oh Yeah. No more new downloads of is that let's go through. They always say and then something happened. Then it's okay. Again, what if it's all allied to get more download San remember when like six flags was supposed to be closing? Yeah. Yes. Must be going bankrupt there. This whole thing is like this is the last summer he can go. Is Open right now. Now now now now shutdown. If you drive. ECHO, we go shooting the one place. You still feel the roller coasters they're not running, but you see them I went when I first got back. I I couldn't take it anymore because I was alone in the house and I was like. Europe. During the quarantine type That were you born in the house and I was born house part. Really craving cinnamon rolls right and I was like the malls are closed because of the fucking road. How am I gonNA get my cell, right? 'cause you guys don't know I love cinnamon rolls. So I looked out of place and. It was a pilot gas station Oh damn. You were desperate and I drove over an hour. Past Magic Mountain. To get a cinnabon. Eyelid. Casting. Brand. That's how you know the booze that dude worth it. It was so worth it all my God, their home I got to. One for tomorrow. And one is like eat a hot. Yeah. Just right there in the parking lot. And I was like. So good and then someone coughed when I was eating it and I was like Oh shit I gotta move tables because he was standing there and I was like the win my fucking corona me when I was wondering so worth it. But I remember Magic Mountain and it wasn't running it was the saddest day of my life. I just saw commercial where they have a new roller coaster or something or am I try at six flags? Where are you watching commercials on TV usually watch a rerun and shit goes new. New. See Batman the riddler rib bad. It's like, Oh, Shit. They gotta do right now. Ryan do fresh prince rerun much Google Google. Is it open because if it's open I'm going? Do you remember when? You can you can go in with the Soda Can Yeah Oh yeah. Oh Yeah I remember those one was the I never did it though six five, the one day ticket is like a season pass rate west coast racers, west coast race. Last year December Twentieth Twenty nineteen th. Yeah. Right before the. You know how people used to do Youtube meet UPS at theme parks like meet and greets and shit, and then you would ride rides with all your fans five. We never did it never. We never did it but I remember a lot of people used to do it like Freddie W. did it. That's it. Why didn't they did a Disneyland? Theme Parks I was trying to not tell anybody that. Because I was you know do still do meet ups do you do like Hey, man in this city come on Now. We. Did it I think the last time. I used to do that like Joe Good Seattle. All. Of the first time I ever did that I even like. Before I did it I did a little. Going to be the sleet whatever I'll. I'll do a mean grade on. Dual meet up on this day and and it was crazy. This is kind of when I was like I like golden age of the Youtube Shit and and I did it and the police had to shut down because it was like people and we needed like they were like you need a permit and we moved to another park and then. And then security escorted me out of the park because they were like they were like now as soon as people. It, wouldn't happen now what affects? The last time we did it was in Korea, and that's like eight years ago. Read the park yet because a bunch of youtubers into like, Oh, it'll be fun if we just do a meet and greet right now. And I was like it's in Korea though like who's GonNa come here and there's actually a lot of Fans like that that lived on the military base or just. English speaking we announced in like less than two hours to or something like a quick thing and then a bunch people recall it was really cool man because I was surprised. Damn do speak English and it was like. A white kid a black kid and. was like, what are you Koreans doing? Speak English from Lakewood. Okay Actually we could we would still get a crowd nowadays. Especially, free ones I feel like New York. How's your? How you guys Demo in New York? It's pretty big. I can't same New York Toronto's pretty up there yeah Texas too. Yeah. You forget how many fucking Asians. Might. La Amy Oregon. Australia. I think back in the day. I really liked meet ups because it was so fascinating and the people were closer to my age right because we're all college kids around there. So when you do meet up, it's almost like you're meeting friends right. But now you do meet up. In a feels very different, very different. I feel like man I'm like I like their uncle cow I want I want to do so I would do a meet up behind an activity I'll be like let's go surf or mountain bike or let's do an event you went to the theme park thing I would do that. Yeah. Because I get tired at meeting Greeks like I get bored I was just GonNa say I think we're not doing me in Greece for free anymore because they're so exhausting. More than shows too. So if I if I'm doing meet UPS Because I'm getting paid to be there because it's like it's like it's worse. Because, you have to have a very intimate. Connection with with different people like every five. Yeah. And I don't want to be on and hype energy has to be up. For like three hours straight because I don't have to picture picture ghost off the conversation I think meaning fans is cool but four hours straight with high energy is difficult. But if let's say it's like thirty minutes and you can have some quality conversations, I think that's way better because it doesn't feel like a factory were a fucking huge Ula. Hey, what's up picture? Hey, what's up picture right and you're doing over and over like assembly line I think that it kind of kills the quality, but then everyone doesn't really have a chance to see you all the time. So it's like that's the only way they can. But if you can see and like doing adventure together, let's say like I do mountain biking meet up and until people show up and we'd just ride together. That's way more fun question for you guys when you guys are in public and you're walking and then a fan is like calling out and saying, oh my Gosh Hi, calling for your name and stuff, right? And then you're saying, hi, do you guys stop or have you ever asked someone like do you want a picture because I find that so strange but I also feel weird walking away without like I did and I got like torn new butthole. So I never did again. Oh they're like Nah. This is this back in the golden days. There was like a couple who was kind of following me and they were kind of with Jason's Jason. Why would they follow you at the mall and then like so it turn around and go hang out I'm Jason like, would you like pitcher and then the guy got like, oh Why do you think we want a picture with you? How was just like? I I was so speechless by that because I meant well, right. But then I think like the guy was like kind jealous I, don't know if he was jealous but it was kind of like, Oh, you're still eric into assume that. I. WanNa pick you definitely insecure about it though but the same thing happened when I went to like fanfest one year and like. I met a I'm not going to name him I was like I was like I was just standing there. Yeah. Someone was asking for pitching next next to me and he saw me he was like, do you want a picture? Sure. So I kind of get it. So now I do my thing and they asked me, I, say, yes I never like ask. Never asked either in I feel like there's been moments where they'll be like. You could see it in their face like I want to ask you pitcher. Nervous or something, and then they don't, and then I feel weird I'm. I'm like, I. Know What you want but I don't want to ask you don't WanNa be that guy. A I. I never asked them. If you WANNA, you ask for a you get it while they called me bar but. Can I get a picture? That happens. Yeah someone almost like. Raphael right can I I was like? What No, you cannot have a bigger. There's people out there that take pictures with other human beings that they think is me. And that person will take a picture what they'll tack you all you need look like Hugo and then they'll send it to me and. I'm like there is one guy that legit looks like me and they all think that it's me who marries A. For that guy? He's doing it the funny. He's out there pictures. Like whose job Guy Tweeden sons like I just bought at Georgia power and he was such a Dick to me like I didn't fuck that. You want to have the real thing.
Ann Patchett | On Solitude, Writing & Indie Bookstores
"Would it surprise you to know that? My guest and Patchett the author of seven novels, including the patron saint of Liars? Bell CONDO run state of wonder and Commonwealth along with three nonfiction books, and her first children's book lower lied. Would it surprise you to know at all that she has essentially not watch? TV in decades does not own a smartphone has never been on social media and. and. Never intends to start being on social media and has a bit of a love affair with solitude. Well, apparently, that is part of her secret sauce of what makes her and allows her to do the stunning work that she does. In the World A- graduate of Sarah Lawrence College and the legendary Iowa Writer's workshop, and has been the recipient of numerous different awards and fellowships including. Including England's Orange Prize the pen faulkner award. Her books have been. New York Times bestsellers been translated into more than thirty languages turned into movies. She has appeared in conversation with everyone from Colbert Oprah to Martha Stewart and so many others, and this is super cool in November, two thousand eleven really frustrated at the loss of great bookstores in Nashville. She partnered with a friend to open an. An independent Bookstore parnassus books in Nashville Tennessee where she lives, and has become a bit of a spokesperson for independent booksellers, championing books and bookstores. We dive into all of this in today's conversation along with what it's like to run an indy bookstore in this current environment and so much more super excited to share this conversation with you on Jonathan Fields, and this is good life project. What if you could actually do good for the world by making a purchase with your debit card? What if every time you swipe your card? A tree was planted. What if you were rewarded with up to ten percent cashback every time you bought something that helped people or the environment? 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Together with Apple Books Oprah is bringing you her next Book Club Pick Deakin King Kong James McBride to story of connections, community and love in nineteen, sixty nine New, York City, a social novel with a heart of gold and characters that will crack you up and make you cry. Download, Deacon King Kong at Apple. Dot Co slash obesity and you can also explore millions of other books and audio books on the apple books APP already on your iphone and ipad there you'll find bestsellers, classics up and coming Authors and more so get started today and read with us. It's really interesting to have this conversation right now. Because my husband is a doctor and he is, he's sixteen years older than I am. He seventy two and so now these last two months. He's been home for the first time in his life. He's been home for two months and he's loved it and it's been. It's really been this beautiful time and today is the day he went back to work and just trying to figure out do I want to retire Do I want to stop being a doctor? Do I WANNA? Stop having that identity and I feel so lucky because of course as a writer. Get to do this. Right until I don't know what I'm doing anymore and then hopefully I'll just go to sleep. Yeah I mean I. It's that Classic Distinction. Right between job career and of occasion. Yeah, you know if it's the thing that that just calls you and if you're fortunate to have found an outlet and a way where you have, you know debility, just keep doing that for as long as you to what an amazing space to inhabit! Yeah, it's true and I think for myself all the time about having a career in the arts and I just thank God I'm glad I'm not an actress I'm really glad I'm not a dancer I'm glad I'm not a singer. Rating is is a career that for the most part doesn't age out. even if you don't do it as well or you're not as popular or you don't make money doing it, you can still do it. Yeah I mean I almost feel because it's a career that you age in you know because you start out and I feel like it's the type of career where the I. I don't know if you could say the first half the first quarter of the first third. If. You really devote. Yourself is largely about craft. Right, and then you get to a point where you've got enough. Command over the craft that and then you start to step into this next level of expression. But it takes a long time to get there and I am not aware of any hack that lets you serve accelerate your path through what can be sometimes reasonably brutal process of getting to a level of craft, where you can start to serve step into a different window of creation expression well. Yeah, but then the flip side of that is there are people who have. One story right? Maybe they can get three or four books out of that story. Maybe they can get one book out of that story, but they're. They're drawing on something very particular in themselves that that doesn't open up and the writing finishes out. Early I I think that has happened over and over again and one of the things that's interesting for me. Is Commonwealth was my graphical novel and so you know? I was I was fifty. When I wrote the book that I probably should have written when I was twenty five and I was so, where of the fact that, if I had written that book when I was twenty five. It would have really wrecked things for me because I, would have felt like. Oh, now I'm tapped out. You know now I've told my best story. So. I think it can go either way in writing. Yeah, and if you are the person where you have those two or three books, then I guess you hit the point where you're like okay. Am I just done now. Right you know which is okay, but when when you look at distancing, is there something that has breathed me about this from the time Neil from the earliest days that I can remember and I? Don't WanNA. Stop until I absolutely have to. which is you know it sounds a bell counts as is absolutely your wiring I know this touchdown your life so early. What was it? Seems, like reading was a huge part of of you as a kid was was writing, also Oh, yeah. Yeah I mean. And I've puzzled about this a lot in my life now. Why is it that when I met somebody when I was five years old, and they said. What are you GonNa do when you grow up and I would say. I'm going to be a writer I mean it was just baseline, and that is the most interesting thing about me, and perhaps the only interesting thing about me is that I've always known exactly what I wanted to do. I never wavered from it and I got to do it and that puts me. In such a Tiny tiny sliver of humanity. I knew it I. Always knew it I did it. And I didn't want anything else. And I never thought, and I'd like to live in Paris for a year I'd like to travel the world I'd like to have money get married. Have Children. I've nothing nothing. I just wanted to be a writer. It's so what I mean. You can't answer this question, but it is what what is it? What was it inside of you? At five years old that just new I mean it couldn't have been an unclear understanding of what the life of a writer was. Because you're five and yet, it was so clear to you. I have a theory. My theory is I didn't know how to read. and. My parents got divorced. Probably. I was four. My mother and sister and I left Los Angeles and moved to Tennessee the week before it turned six. I had already started first grade at five in Los. Angeles I didn't finish go. We just moved constantly. We stayed with a lot of people. It was Diogo. Nineteen. sixty-nine nobody went to school I really didn't learn how to read until I was in the third grade. And so I think that some how in my mind I can flighted the desire to learn how to read to learn how physically to right to not always be passing and sneaking and yet oh, squeaking by in one way or another that I started to say i WanNa right I wanNA ride I. WanNa right and I became. Very clever, so even though I really couldn't read right I could tell a story. I could be amusing I could seem smart and I had it in my mind that that was the thing that was going to really save me and it stuck by me. Therefore I stuck by it I mean it's interesting that you could tell a story where you sort of walking around formulating stories in your head. Yeah, so we which follows you then too late because you're. The creative process that you have described which is so different from what a lot of other writers described as his idea of. Basically building the entire world and the characters in the story in your head for as long as humanly possible. has to burst out onto. A page sounds like that seed was planted really early. Yeah, that's interesting I actually I never made that correlation, but that is true because I. Really couldn't right I. I worked in my head. And and then got to a point where I could get down whatever I could get down, and that became my way of working, and then later it when I was in my twenties, and I was a waitress, and I just got into the habit of always having story in my head something that I was thinking about all the time. As a way of keeping myself company as a way of feeling that I That my life mattered that that it had that it had depth, so I was a waitress, but I was also a waitress who was writing a novel in my head while I was rolling silverware. Yeah I mean the. It's almost like that was. You're getting paid. For the process of incubating the story that eventually, that's the story that eventually becomes a patron saint of Liars Right. Right yeah I mean it's. It's such an interesting process because it also. Have, a huge capacity told. Things, and people and ideas and world's storylines and plots in your head to do that I wonder if it's sort of the the type of thing where it's a trainable skill to be able to do that. One thing that I think about all the time is a I'm S-. I'm constantly surprised that there's something that I can do that. Other people can't do. So I think well, you could hold a book in your head. I mean it in my mind if we meet if you and I meet, and we'd like each other and you know I call you up a week later and say, let's have lunch, and then later on, we go to the movies. What are we? We begin a friendship and I at some point. Ask You about your childhood and I. Ask you if you have siblings and I ask you about your parents, and then I I forget. Did you have a sister? Did you tell me that already you know? Were you married before? Do you have kids to? What are their names? How old are they? I'm going to forget and then I'm going to ask you again and then I'm GonNa. Remember that's. That's how we exist as humans. We don't go home and take notes on the people that we meet the people that we want to befriend or join our lives with in some way we forget we remember we forget. We remember we ask again. We look again and that's exactly what writing. A novel is like I. Go and I look again and when people say, why don't. Don't you write it down and I. Always think well as soon as I write something down. I've committed it, and then it feels important, whereas if I don't write it down I, forget and and it falls away if it falls away then I need to go and look again. There's I'm working on a couple of different things right now because this is such a weird time. And I'm writing children's books right now. Because I just can't imagine. Writing about the adult world with it would be like writing a book the week after September Eleventh. You don't know. where the ground is right now. But I have an idea for a novel. That I had before the world changed, and I think about it sometimes and I think I don't want I. Don't want to write a grown up novel about the pandemic. This time will pass. You won't think it will, but it will just like September eleventh doesn't play a central role in every novel that's been written since. But they are moments that I have insight. Because the world is informing me now, and my mind is changing and I'm glad that I didn't take any notes on this book because it means that my mind can change, and everything is open. In the same way. I. Don't know if you're experiencing this now, but. The. Friendships are changing I find myself connecting to people that I haven't connected to in a long time, and some of the people that I feel the very closest to I've hardly been in touch with at all. It's like. It's like actors on his stage. and the people with the smallest parts are moving into leading roles has been true for you. You know it's interesting. The hadn't reflected on that before. You brought it up, but yeah, it is and I think also. Family I've been in much more regular contact with family who were spread out across the country and yes certain people who were certainly ten players. have become much more regular in conversation in my life, and others have sort of fade into the back on I wonder what that's about I wonder if it's just sort of a subconscious reordering of. Of who you find a true sense of companionship with, and or maybe just in this moment like the what is the quality of relationships that you really need to be okay on the day to day basis. Yeah I. Find Right now. The person at I am in enormous need of who is in enormous need of me. Is My childhood best friend from when I was seven and I. It's like the houses on fire, and we were just holding onto each other, and it's so interesting because you know we're friendly and we're close, but it's we are so interdependent right now, and if you had given me a list of all the people in my life, and said all right, you know who's moving into the number. One spot I would not have thought Pavia, but there she is, she is definitely. Definitely the person that I need the most right now, yeah, that's amazing. I wonder if it's also just about a shared like who who the people where you have the deepest shared history with where there's the unspoken language that just exists with such ease. Yeah at you're looking for a sense of shared history effortlessness. I think it's that, but I have also undergone a huge change in this time. Hustle it. We dare not speak of it, but. This horrible horrible time in which the world is collapsing and people are dying, and all of these terrible things are going on, and there is way in which I have never been happier. which is who feels like such an awful thing to say? But I'm such an introvert and I have. The life of an extremely successful extrovert I, give talks I fill symphony hall is I do so many things travel. I'm I'm engaged and to be able to go home. And just be quiet again and not be thinking. I've got to get on a plane. I've gotta meet. This person I've gotTa do this thing unless it's. Virtual and the unless it's with a recording device. I feel these. Chunks of myself falling away armor scaffolding. All of my protective mechanisms are gone, and and I feel so heart open and I feel like the person. I was when I was a child. and. He and I think also. There's that sense of. Life doesn't last. That's the that's the central contract. We were not getting out of this alive, so so win. We're put in a position of having to remember that every single minute. It brings forth either fear. Or an almost impossible Joie de vivre know that life is so beautiful. This is this is not forever this. Right now it, it's the highest meditative state. There is no past there is no future. There is this moment there is this breath that is what we are living and I feel. I am living that so completely every minute right now the world of unbearable beauty, and so I think that my connection to Tevita is in part that because we were. Those children together, and also she has held onto that part of herself better than anyone I've ever known she's she is still her beautiful child self, and can kind of meet my beautiful child self again. It's been lovely. It's amazing. The it. I I do also sent, have that same sense of. Forcing being forced into actually not being forced into I think we. We all respond differently to this particular moment and. Steve Jobs Legendary Stamford commencement speech where he references. His diagnosis is being. His awareness of daily awareness of his his. Permanence of the most powerful thing to make him come alive and agree while none of us would have asked for this moment, and there is I'm in new. York, city so I'm in the center of it all you nobody that I know has gotten to this point without knowing people that are no longer here at the same time you experienced the loss and the grief and you what you need to feel. Feel and also it is if you can find the capacity to zoom the lens out just bit just enough to let you see okay, so all of this will be gone as as will I and I'm a similar age to you so I'm like in the second half of things. How do I wanNA spend that time you know and I was here for nine eleven also, and there was a similar. Feeling in the months that followed that so agree it's I mean it's interesting that the what you brought up also about your fundamental wiring as an introvert, and how this is sort of shutdown, someone of the things that had you not only exist outside of that social orientation, but also arming yourself. To be okay in that world so it's not just that you can be back in this state that's most natural to you, but all of the effort that went into putting up the shields in the scaffolding and the structure to make you okay that effort gets. Gets let go to, so it's I would imagine there's a certain lightness. It comes with all of that. Absolutely, it gets funneled. Just back into your life into your day and I am having a sort of revelation as we're talking about all of this to which is, it makes sense on that level that I want to write for children right now that that the stories that I can tell the story is it just makes so much sense and make me want to get up and go to my computer in the morning. Are Helping children make order out of their world because I feel so close to that part of myself right now. I mean it's interesting. When you think about that's the thing that you're drawn to writing. And The person that you really have have yearned to rekindle your friendship with is the person who you knew in your seven. It's all full circle. Yeah, as we sit here, you are. You're at a point where? You've had a stunning career. My thanks and and plenty become come, and not had as in. It's over. Closing that chapter you never know your. Your exposure I guess to literature came at a really young age. I mean you're reading things like Thomas. Mann's the Magic Mountain. When I think most people didn't you know were reading Archie Comics? and. It's been interesting to to see especially when I reflect on that story in particular and I think about a wad of what you've written since then lot of the weirdness that we're in now, it's sort of like. There's so much similarity between that one. I, it's all about dropping people who didn't know. Each other really in any meaningful way, and you would never expect to see together into these worlds that they're not familiar with and seeing what happens, which is a country feels like is happening right now. Yeah! I did a book club on the BBC. A couple of days ago, they were reading Bel. Canto and you know I. Haven't read Bel Canto. Twenty years it came out in two thousand and one, so the last time I read. It was in two thousand and. Like sure you WANNA. Ask all of England to rebel Canto. I'm I'm happy to show up for that those you order from parnassus versus right exactly exactly we'll ship it to you We should talk about that a, but while we were talking, I was thinking damn. Yeah, that is a good idea. This is the book Sh. Be Reading right now because I do write a lot about people in isolation, and it is the Magic Mountain and Lord of the flies, and the Poseidon. Adventure and all those things yeah, yeah, especially now I think its. Prussian and relevant in different ways. Did. You know that you touch your phone about two thousand times a day on now more than ever. It's important to keep items. Like your phone clean. Because if your phone is clean, your hands won't be clean and we know what that can lead to these days home. Medics UV clean phone sanitizer kills up to ninety nine point, nine percent of bacteria and viruses at the DNA level using no harmful. Harmful Chemicals or liquids, it sanitizers and disinfects both sides of your phone. 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That pairing is showing up again and again in everything that I'm doing because I look in my life, and of course I have a ton of friends who are introverts, and I have a few friends who are extroverts and the extroverts are suffering a hugely right now. I mean it's hell on earth for them, and the introverts are like hey. Good. How are you so just just from that sort of basic hard wiring that so interesting to me, and also how the introverts in the extroverts are living together Susan. Canes is an old friend of mine. Who wrote the book quiet and loved that book. It was so important to. Me Because I. WE share similar. Wire I'm introverted. I'd love to be in a creative cave I'm fine in solitude for long long time. Yeah, then I'll step out and be hyper public, and then retreat back Yeah, because that's my happy place. That book really explained to myself, but also it was interesting, because I think a lot of people bought that book to give to the extroverts in their lives to say okay, so this is like here's and I'm not broken and now. Now you can understand and so in moments like this where you're sharing you'll you've got a blend of introverts and extroverts forced? You know into a small space together for weeks or months at a time, and they often don't pair well especially when the introverts for the first time are the ones who aren't broken and the extroversion feeling broken. Mean what an upside down. Topsy Turvy Universe to be living. Yeah I I really believe that we're going to rise up and lead the. I remember when quiet came out. I got it on audio and my husband and I listened to it while we were driving to Mississippi he's he's from Mississippi, and his mom is there and He kept saying to me. All these things that have really irritated me about you all these years. All these things that I thought you had made a choice to be this way you know it was some sort of an affectation, which that in itself was great because I had no idea that this things were irritating to him because he's so nice, he never said this to me, but he said you know it's like I'm getting you just as I'm listening to this book, so yeah, please on behalf of introverts everywhere. Teller is a thank you. Yeah when you think about sort of. Focusing your energies, I, mean one of the things take a lot of space for you. Since twenty seven I guess was your out there writing books public than going back, and at some point longtime in Nashville to bookstores left those two bookstores, and I guess they weren't really even bookstores, or while they were bookstore, but they were there was there were there were mega bookstores borders, and then there was one that was bought would twelve fifteen years earlier by a larger brand. But eventually those go away. You're the happiest person in the world in solitude and being out there when you have to be just writing like you are a writer's writer. Somehow you decide that that is the moment in time for you to become the owner of an independent bookstore. How does it come together? You know it, it's it's civic and sort of brings it back to my father. Actually I did not ever want to own a bookstore which I think a lot of people do that's like the Fanta Rice job. Right yet. For a Lotta people and I was never that person, and in fact I feel uncomfortable in bookstores because you know, my mind associates bookstores with being on book tour, and with feeling kind of hunted and overwhelmed, but the bookstores went away. There were all sorts of people forming committees about what they were GONNA do. You know get a bookstore. Nothing was happening and I just thought Oh. Damn, damn, it's GonNa be me, isn't it? I went to Catholic School for twelve years. And there's this whole thing of if you can formulate the sentence. Responsibility is it to. Fix The public school system, or clean up the trash or make the world a better place into the answer is always it is your responsibility. So whose responsibility is it to open a bookstore and get this problem solved Alas, it must be mine and I was introduced to a woman named Karen Hayes and we. We met the last day of real. And we opened the bookstore on November fifteenth. And the idea would was that Karen would run the store, and I would pay for it, and we would be partners and I have a round up as Karen excursion often says you know you're. You're the loudest silent partner. That anyone's ever had, but I've become sort of not just the face of parnassus books, but of Independent, book stores and shopping local and I became the representative for the Book Industry, Charitable Foundation I. Just it became my thing, and it's wonderful. It's a little exhausting sometimes, but what I. If there's so many things about it, I wouldn't I wouldn't change anything I have really really loved it. I've found enormous joy in it. And the best part is when people come up to me now. In the grocery store, they're not coming up to talk to me about one of my books. They're coming to talk to me about what they're reading and about the bookstore about you know some staff member who was fantastically helpful and who gave them? The book they wanted or they heard me recommending a book, and they loved it, and they're grateful, and I can really interact with people on that level that brings me joy. Somebody walks up to me in the grocery store and says I love the Dutch House I'm like okay gotta Wow. Thanks gotTA I gotTA. Go get an orange now. But if somebody walks up to me and says Oh my gosh I read your recommendation of Valentine by Elizabeth, wet more, and that first novel I wouldn't have picked it up for that book changed my life. That was so amazing. Thank you so much. I love that book you know, and then I can enter into that moment and that relationship so. It gives me a public face that feels natural, and not like I'm hiding it is it is me without scaffolding or protection? If I'm talking about the bookstore and books and other writers when I went on Book tour this last time I had my entire talk was about books that I love and and writers who I had met along the way who helped me figure things out about the Dutch house and books that I wanNA sell that I wanted to get behind and I thought this is this is a real revelation, because if I can go out in public and talk about other people's spokes, instead of talking about my book, I feel really comfortable. Yeah, I mean how much! It's interesting to you. Cause you. To a certain extent part of that I also feel. Is. It's your passing that your love at your deep knowledge of what's out there? And also part of it. Is that your half? Imagine like you have reached a point in your own career. where? You. Don't necessarily have to go out there and every time you step into a bookstore every time you step onto a stage. Like the the line in your mind doesn't have to be I need to sell my book. E-. Yes, but it's also complicated because one of the things that's really changed since I have the bookstore and my friends who are my peers are always saying to me. You're making us look bad. Stay home. Stop doing a thirty five city book tour. You don't need to do this at this point in your life, and that's true I. Don't accept now I. Know that what keeps a bookstore. Going is somebody who can sell a mother lode of books showing up. And doing that for the night you know we had a. we had a truly disastrous instagram. Live event with John Grisham a couple of days ago. You know it's like nobody can get the technology straight and it was a complete. Bust and it was nobody's fault because the Internet just kept cutting out, but you know here's John Grisham and he's saying I want to do something to support independent bookstores so I'm going to go around to these independent bookstores and do this instagram live thing he didn't have to do that. He understands that that's what's keeping us in business. That's what helps us make our payroll and pair health insurance and all of that. So, at this point in my life, where yeah, technically to sell patchett novel I. Don't have to show up and do these big events every night. But I also now really know that that's what keeps bookstores going to hand it. There's something bigger. That's behind what you're doing. Yeah, and the people the really big little who come out and do these huge events. GLENNON DOYLE! Yeah. She her last event that she did before she cancelled her tour for untamed, which is still sitting in the number one spot on the bestseller list. She came to Nashville. It was sixteen hundred people. It was bundled, so all those books were presold and she showed up. It was like the last night on earth that anybody did an event. That was so huge for us. Huge I am so grateful to her for doing that. And and not only that you know that's one end of the scale, but then the other end of the scale is the person who's got the first book out, and may be ten people or fifteen people show up for the event. But that's you get hurt. And those people connect to the writer. And they read the book, and they recommend the book to their friends, and that's how you build a career, and that's the other reason. The bookstore has to be there. Yeah, I mean it's a powerful. It's not the backup reason at this point is the primary driver of doing this and I think a lot of people you know. It's funny went probably around the time that you open parnassus. The world was saying not only is a bookstore hard thing to run, but. Aren't going to India bookstores. They're just not going to exist. Give it a year or two, and it's not just this, but you know the beast is going to be gone. Right! We've gone right. We're all going to get any reader, and that's going to be that right and and it's been fascinating to see sort of the. The cultural phenomenon of you know. indie bookstores in not only not dying, but from what I know and I'm sure you had you have the data in much more detail than I do. They may be the one part of of book-selling. That's actually growing yeah, well, at least until the last couple of months. Yeah, and even even then and I don't have any idea. How shaken down for everybody. We're closed. Obviously, but worshiping books right you can go on the Internet and order books from US Amazon has de prioritized books, so you can order a book with Amazon Prime. It may take three weeks to get there. You Order Book from us. It's going to get there right away, but. People have shown up for us in such an amazing way and right now. Are we five thousand square feet? Our entire bookstore has been given over to shipping. So the you know they're like seven or eight of us. Working I'm working were just putting books in boxes as fast as we can and writing loving notes, you know, thank you so much, but. If. You want something to be there. When this is over, you have to support it now, and that's a lot of the reason that again, even now I'm going out and I'm banging that drum and writing up Ed's and you know to anyone who will listen. If you love your bookstore. Call Them Up and order a book. Order a puzzle order whatever it is because you need to keep them alive. Yeah, I. Wonder How that's GonNa translate out even into just local mom and pop businesses that have really been a part of the community and whether people in the community will step up and say you know maybe I'm even pay more, and maybe there's no convenience and getting faster better, but. This just matter I I don't want this to go away and I will. I will do whatever I need to do. To make sure that it actually stays, there is interesting I'm on the upper west side in New York City, and there isn't any bookstore here for a number of years. That just went out couple months before you probably beginning of this year. And as soon as they closed down, there were posted notes that started covering the windows of the front of the bookstore. And you're like what happened. We miss you. Don't go away. And it was interesting. The the owners put up ended up putting thing the window because what tends to happen in New York, and maybe it happens elsewhere is if something if a beloved indie bookstore in a neighborhood goes out? The neighborhood gets pretty rage full towards the landlord towards the yelling the owner of the space mad to put something up. Saying listen Y- they've they've worked with us. You know we've we've done everything we can to try and make this word. They've been very gracious. They've we were way behind in a more exact. Because people were so fiercely protective, but You Know I. Wonder You know what would have happened. Had they gone out to the community I and maybe they did I just wasn't aware of it, but had you know rather than okay. The the the windows are papered over, and now you see all the post. It notes saying Oh. We wish this didn't happen. You, know how could you create? The sense of it's not just the owner shopping. It's our shop before him on a level where people would. Literally help financially. Make It okay if they knew that it was generally at risk of not being there anymore. It is a story that is all and only about rent and when people say you know, what are you doing differently? That's making it work for you. I always say I have a great landlord, and that he is the third partner in our business in a lot of ways in New York I have no idea how it can work. Because if you're selling a book on the upper west side, or you're selling the same book in Natch as Mississippi. Your prophet is exactly the same. You can't up charge on a book. They set the price. And in fact, everybody wants you to discount. Because Amazon is discounting which is just impossible. There is no way that you can make that rent, and if people step forward and help. They're going to help for a couple of months, but they can't underwrite your rent for the rest of your life I, mean it. It's almost inconceivable that you can make up a little indie bookstore work. When rent is that high now? The interesting question is what's going to happen on the Isle of Manhattan. After this pandemic, because so there are so much retail space in New York. That is empty. Empty Right now anyway, and it's going to double triple. Whatever so will there be this wakeup? Call that says we have to reprioritize for God's Sakes Barney's can't pay their rent then. How is a little bookstore GONNA pay their rent? Because the up charge on a dull chain `Gabon address is a lot more than it is on a novel. Yeah, it it. It is amazing and we were my wife. And I had been walking around noticing the same thing, even before everything completely shuttered here in the city, almost half every block in our neighborhood. The retail space was out your because people just couldn't afford the rent anymore. which you don't think about in New, York but it's. and I wonder if you know the Shakeout from this is going to be a forced reduction in wrench, which may be. Somehow. There's a the negotiated benefit. Is that maybe some of the more community driven smaller owned leases end up having the ability to step back in yeah, an play more of a prominent role which is interesting because you know bit by bit, we all wind up living in the exact same strip mall you know it's it's Williams sonoma. It's the gap. It's you know whatever the same store over and over and over again. and. It's an interesting phenomenon in Nashville which is had such a boom in the last five seven eight years. and people want to move here because it's got that Quirky Independent feel they've got the little local stores local restaurants, but then everybody comes in the market. Prices have driven up and suddenly those little businesses which are the flavor of the city. Get driven out. You know at what point to somebody say this is what makes our city attractive. Why live in New York? If you're just in a strip mall? That's like every place else in the world. Yeah, it means the flavor of the city. It's it it. Is that stuff that makes it unique. Side on the, but it seems like there's so much. That needs to get done these days. I'm always the bottleneck very often, and we're always looking for ways to find great freelancer to step in and help out on different projects and fivers. Online marketplace has been great resource. 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No because what this time really has done for me, has has finally made me a good Buddhist and. You really feel like I'm living in this moment and I can think forever about how it's GonNa look in six months or year two years, and the only thing that I know for certain is that I'm going to be wrong I. Know that we will reopen. I know that a huge part of our income comes from events. I know that we are not going to be having sixteen hundred people showing up for Glennon Doyle. That is way way off in the future so. What you do, is you just you know work really hard to try to be innovative? I've been making videos for the bookstore in which I put on ballgowns, because I own ballgowns and you know, get the jewelry and the shoes and the makeup in the hair and I put on a ball gown and hold up a book and I'm like the night watchman guys Louise's drake. Favorite book no anything I can do to make people excited about books to make people think Oh this is clever it on ministers show up and see what she's wearing. If nothing else, I feel like what it's doing is bringing out a level of innovation that. Will will do pretty much anything. Mother stay boxes Father's Day boxes, you know. You name, it will make it right. Yeah, no, it's true. I mean it's pretty cool at the same time. You know I'm familiar with your feelings about technology and social media. You are one of the people who largely a ghost in that space I'm never. I've never even looked at it it. It's like I've made all these videos and I've never seen them. That's what I'm thinking. I'm like okay. So how do you go from intentionally not not existing in that space, not acting in that space, not putting things into the space or taking anything out of the space to saying this is kind of the only space that I have right now. What do we do with that? How do we get comfortable with it? What makes sense to me? And how do I also at the same time while while I? Must step into the space to keep this thing that I love dearly alive. How do I create new barriers and boundaries to undertake to still be okay, not a problem because it goes back to the whole thing, people coming up to me in the grocery store it. I am not going on as an Patchett. A novelist right at. That doesn't exist I. Mean there I have never once looked at facebook. I've never seen Instagram I've never done any of that. The bookstore has it so I show up for the bookstore and do these things and again I don't see them, nor do I see the comments, and that feels like a really comfortable way of doing it and I I don't I don't feel like I'm selling out on my values, because I still don't really understand what social media is about. Was the decision for you originally to not engage in in those channels and that way about not wanting to open the conversation, not wanting to see what people are saying about you or your? Know highly different. No, it was like you know. When everybody started doing crack in the nineties, I just saw. Not a good idea, but I could really see that if you started it. You know it would be delicious, and then it would be really hard to stop. I never tried it right. I just never walked through the door, so it wasn't a decision I. don't carry a cell phone I have a little flip phone that I use when I travel, but otherwise it's a sock drawer I've never texted. No one has the number I don't want to knock seven new doors in my house. I don't want to give you seven new ways to get a hold of me. Irate novels. Every single thing you need from me, everything that I would ever have to give you. That was worth. Anything is in the Dutch house. so if. You're interested. In me in what I'm thinking and what I'm doing. That's the very best of myself. I don't need to interact with the world any more than that. And at the same time the fact that you don't. Gives you a volume of creative bandwith that would have been taken up. Yeah, dating and all these different channels, and when you know, it's all the sudden you're like. I don't know how much ram gets freed up and the creative brain to just do the work I love. A mess. You really excited when I find somebody who I wanNA talk to and and I can't find any profiles anywhere about them. A It makes me really curious about that choice, because it becomes really clear that it's intentional and then I'm really curious about what they're doing with time. You know and are they actually using it to go to create? Output that is not just good. That is not just great, but is stunning in its potential, and I feel like when you do that, it gives you just the capacity a bandwidth to go to a place creatively. That a lot of other people probably just don't have access to. Because twenty five percent of their cognitive band within their concern is wrapped up in like the engaging in all these like you, said the seven different doors all day every day I don't watch television which I haven't done I. Haven't watched television since. My early twenties probably. and. I don't mean I watch a little I mean it never never so I. Never saw the Sopranos I, never saw breaking bad people always saying house. It's the golden age of television so amazing, I'm sure it is would who the hell has time to watch these things that go on for hours and hours and hours like I can't. I can't figure out where everyone else is getting the time. And plus it would cut into your opera time. Even that you know. The man is putting up operas every site. And people are saying. Are you watching? The met livestream was like no. I'm reading all these books I'd love to attempt to plunk down for hours in the evening and watch the met livestream but I'm not even getting close to it I I love that that's your orientation and I. Keep wanting to challenge myself to embrace it for a window of time because I am really happy when I'm just in my own space, not interacting. And an I I know I actually. Have you know I? AM somebody who sort of interested in different spaces, and I have a little thing that I get on my phone. Every Sunday that tells me how much time I've been interacting all these spaces. And I and I start I've been thinking myself lately. I'm I'm I'm actually about to start in to a new book. Myself and I'm like okay. So what if I literally just shut this down for a certain window time off to make a lifetime commitment now, but what I just said, not now like for like now until X. State, my job is to just go into microwave and create. and. How would that change the quality of my life? The quality of my experiences, the quality of what I was able to actually make. So I I think, it's a an an experiment of about to run them myself, but remember I mean. Don't give me credit. I get note, but I get no credit for this because the difference is, I never tried crack. You are talking about getting off of crack for three or four months, and those two things have nothing in common right like I don't know what I'm missing. I never looked I never opened the door so. It it's there's no nobility in it. I just I just didn't ever pick it up. It's a difference for sure. Although I have never had a relationship where it's something that brings me joy for me. It's always been more of an obligation, so it'll be interesting running that experiment. We've been bouncing around back and forth in time a lot in our conversation reflecting on now and what we think, the future will hold in the past. Which is interesting to me, too, because so I one of the things that fascinates me about what you've done pretty much all of your writing. Is you play with time in really interesting ways? You know from the books from Bel Canto. Where like oh? This is something that should take twenty four hours now. To then your last couple of books and the and the Dutch house where you're talking about. Let's tell a story over a period of decades or generations Is that a I? Mean are do fascination with time, and how people interact with world's in themselves over. Really extended windows of time I have a fascination with time. An every writer I know has a fascination with time. It's just so central to everything so time was getting more compressed in my books. Run takes place over twenty four hours. State of wonder takes place over three weeks and I finally thought okay. You know I'm I'm really crunching it here. I need to stretch out so I made a very conscious decision in Commonwealth to write a book that takes place over four decades. I liked the time I. Take that forward into the house. But I don't do it in a linear way. For two reasons, time doesn't seem to exist in a very linear way now again it's going back to take and the friendship of my childhood, and how when I'm with her the past and who I was, and who she was so incredibly present yesterday her dad died two weeks ago, and she gave me this portrait of herself that he had hanging up in his house the whole time. I've known them since I was seven. And now I have this this photograph of my little friend. You know at six. As who she was just who she is, those two things are so present who she is at our age who she is, then they both exist, and so that's kind of how I move back and forth in time in a novel. It's the same way I do it in my life which actually feels like a nice place for us to come full circle as we spent a nice a? 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Tell you guys I listen to the first episode I love it I I'm I'm going to become a patron just so I get. You cannot listen unless you give me money. I'm going to reinvest. All right guys. That's enough formalities. It's time to get into a conversation things that we've been doing things. That we've been playing specifically and. pull. Saturday night Saturday night we did a bit of livestream over on twitch and Youtube playing a game that is an early access available on an Xbox I don't it's a game pass game i. don't know if the this out anywhere else I'm sure we could look it up. Of course, talking about a game called grounded ground in and I don't know like. I'm GonNa let I'M GONNA. Let you describe the basic premise brandon. Okay. If you've been to Disneyland in the last. However many years you might have gone to where you want expected captain eeo to be will Cattaneo wasn't there for a while it like came back. Ignored apart. And there was. Replaced the for a time with this very special ride honey I shrunk the audience based off of the excellent movie honey. I shrunk the kids with Rick Moranis back in the mid nineties and let me can't tell you how long honey I shrunk. The audience hasn't been there. I can't tell you how long it's been since I've been to Disneyland. I can I can tell you how long it's been since. Let's years 'cause I 'cause I didn't see Cattaneo when it was there one originally three weeks. Then then they put honey I shrunk the audience in there and seen captain the Ray I have because then they brought it back and then it was you know I remember I remember when I saw captain. It was my My brother had just graduated high. School. Not so this is around two, thousand, ten ish. And maybe a literally two, thousand, eight done. But we went and he was we went with Sizemore sizemore went with the girlfriend his girlfriend at the time. And my brother had gone to Grad nite at magic, mountain six flags. Magic Mountain before. And he was up all night long at Magic Mountain. Got Got home we immediately went to Disneyland after that. and. I love my brother, but he was such A. GRUMPY, little? Shithead. And I I think he's well aware of it. And MASO funny because my grabbed I was at Disneyland. So. Yeah. Ours. Ours ourself which which magic mountain was like a good extra hour drive from. Zealander so I. I didn't I didn't go to my Grad night. Actually I went I didn't. was at Disneyland but I went to the Grad night. The year before I went with a couple of my friends who were seniors. And that was the first time. I saw the aqua bats live. How'd you swing that? I got invited. I think I actually I don't remember how I got in. It was for the seniors and I think I think now trying to think like I was on seniors go with us I'm wondering if my girlfriend at the time came with us, I would might have I went with my I I was a junior class president and the be Brag Watch out guys. Now that's vote that was my my slogan by. The senior class vice president a dave black was my friend and I'd hang out with him and we just wander the halls during our associated student body period, right which is second period. Classic Highschool slacker Guess Gay. and. So he's my friend and I think he was like, Hey, you wanna go to Grad nite. Yeah. Sure. Sure. So I ended up being his plus one for that but then I didn't go for my senior year because I was like I don't like high school more I already did it did it yeah been there done the air was and still am a Disney theme park fanatic Shut your. So I was so excited to go to degrade night which brings us all back to captain in the game grounded. but I will say when you're talking when you brought Disney parks, I thought you're GonNa talk about Disneyworld having the honey I shrunk the kids land which they had about ten years ago at Hollywood studios. Previously GM studios but now it's gone because now it's toy story land same premise everything is giant scaled and you're walking around. Like all these gigantic things and backyard and big blades of grass and stuff but slightly different things. That's not what I was GonNa talk about at all. I. Haven't been to Disneyworld since I've been here in in Florida. Yeah. You gotta go go. Go this year we are taxed turn happen. Okay. Cool. Let's do it. Let's get some get him. Up just copper passes slap those masks on and head over to the magic kingdom now. Just social distance your way through the many lands. Magic Hoy. Please stay six feet away. Mickey put put your fucking mask on. Anyway yeah, we played grounded that's a game where you pick a teenager I guess I mean the characters seemed like teenagers and And you suddenly wake up very small about the size of an aunt and you are then left to explore the. What looks like a backyard I. Think it's called they call it the yard. I think and you can see a house in the distance huge-scale and you start exploring. You see you find some some technology and there's a few different. Objectives that you have to carry out. What were your initial thoughts when when playing through this? Bit Beta. Version of this game it's definitely says it. It says it's an Alpha. So we'll. We'll. Just. We'll just go with that. I before we played on on. Saturday, night I had I loaded up my okay. Let's. Let's check this out. And I forget what day I played it but it was at like eleven thirty at night and. I was I was tired already. I loaded up. I got to you got to like the first sight station. I didn't know what I was doing I was like I was picking up rocks. There's giant. Or regular size and I should say and. Uh this is Kinda. Cool. I always played this travis and I fell asleep on the couch and that's where I stayed the rest of the night. When we when we started playing it together. It was like, okay. All right. This this is this is fun. With somebody else and it just exploring this. It feels like honey I shrunk the kids it just in the sense like you they are a bunch of kids you pick a you get to pick one of four characters. To two boys two girls, ones, atmos- hoops. I mean, we're not. We're not assuming gender. But sure. Yeah Yeah Yeah and. So you get to pick one of them, and so I assume it. Multiplayer is only up to four players eventually. Currently and I dug it doug it like gallant you like, Hey, hey, there's there's a there's a giant laibach other spiders attack this. Edged fights everywhere. What are we going to do? And and you quickly going through the the story part of the game. And like I in in doing the objectives and may still running around trying to figure out how to trump chop down a blade of grass in how? So zone initial initial thought I'm like, okay this this could be disagree fun a little bit different from mine craft, but still have has those base building type of. Mechanics to their plumbing what would you? What did you think when you when you loaded it up? I definitely liked the like art style the. The environment of the game because it, they did a great job with scale in terms of feeling like you were a shrunk down person and everything seemed big like the blades of grass feel like. The some of the other details like giant Jewish boxes that have been littered backyard things like that. That stuff is really great. I liked the base building mechanic who wants you once you chop down blades of grass after a while you can you get these grasp planks then you can use to build structures out of and the actual. The actual like. Mechanic for that is you plan out where you want to put the walls so you can actually like build. Like a house, but then it's not physically there until you load the planks into it, which is Kinda Nice 'cause then you can. You can plan everything and then someone else can come back later and say, okay, here's where I have to put something. So it's a nice way to. Work with other people to build a structure. Yeah. what I what I, what I, like what I like about that is. You see the visible. Okay. This is this is where we're gonNA put all these walls. But but I think the the the other the other piece of that is you can only you know it's not like minecraft freaking just stock up on hundreds and hundreds of of blades of grass you can carry like four or five planks of grass at a time and each wall cost. Four blades of grass and so having that. That kind of blueprint like this is where put this put this I'm GonNa go chops and plates grass come back and build the wall kind of systematically that way you don't forget like, Oh you know wanted to put a second story here. You have a visual representation of it. So I did I did like that. In kind of. Synergy with the inventory management of it. With that said I i. feel like almost every other UI element I had I had an issue with? In. Terms of lake. Even to the point of you have like a hot bar on the bottom of like your different tools and things. There wasn't in. Intuitive way to to switch between those you had to like open up a circular menu and then pick. Like which went on the like, why do I have a bar if I can't just like cycle through them and maybe it's my mind craft as like having that expectation but even like navigating. Through like your d pad Easter eggs and had a different function, but they eventually got you into like a menu system. Where you could just. Filter through all of it and you could see your map and you could see your crafting table and things like that. I just I feel like the devs need were a little bit more on streamlining those menus so that it's easier for people to get stuff because that was my biggest hang up throughout the entire time we were playing is like, okay how do I? I need a craft, a new item. How do I? Okay. I down and then I pressed this way on the circle. Okay. I can now on here. Okay I don't even have enough materials that go back like figure out what I need. And then even like I crafted a hood. And then it like dropped to into an inventory slot that I had never even seen. And so it wasn't actually on my person until later like, Oh, I have to go over here and actually you need to quit by Addison Yeah. Do you have any issues or am I just completely. Alone in that regard no. Definitely not alone. We were there the entire time together. So you weren't you weren't allowed as a fair point. I agree with you on on on both parts I'll start with the the one we talked about the most recently, which is in the menus because in the in the menu you have, you have a crafting menu, have a map you have an inventory, you have a kind of A glossary most of what you have and and what you've analyzed there's a there's a science station where you can analyze materials and an unlocked new recipes for things. Yeah, and so. We'll. We'll start with the crafting menu you. You right bumper to the crafting menu and wants her in the crafting menu. There's a bunch of subcategories or crafting others materials. There's a bench workbench things armor double all these different categories and to get to those to get those different categories you press the right trigger. I, think. Be here. Here's a here's my here's my problem. Every time I went to a menu. Everyone's like okay I want to craft something I would go in. Press press the start button and then okay I wanna go I WANNA go over to crafting away from inventory out press the right. Press maybe like the right trigger or whatever. It is one of the trigger buttons and it would it would switch the subcategory menu. No. No, no no. No that that's the top. That should be the top thing that that switches and in the RB and the left. L. LB should be the one that switched the subcategory menu. The main one is trigger. The sub is the bumpers and every time. I I would screw it up in it. It's one of those things where you only lose what half a second five seconds at the most rick. Oh. No I'm I'm supposed to go back. But when those five seconds happened over and over again every time you go into the menus then it gets a little perturbing. Things where it's just I they they've got the game out in front of people hopefully there they have focus groups are things that are playing it, and they're getting feedback directly from users, but that's something that I? I would fully expect the team to continue to work on and and improve before the skits out until like a final release because it feels like they just put a lot of options out there and they're still maybe trying to sort out exactly how because ideally menu you don't. WanNa think about it. You just you move right through it. Yeah. Okay. Now would I hit for this and this? The buttons for this or just not lined up in such a way that it's intuitive and how to get to stuff and I would say to to the first thing he brought up when you're when you're in the world, you're wandering the the miniaturized yard and you want you, you build yourself an axe and the axe gets put into a menu and on the bottom of the screen you have. The traditional minecraft. A quick quick item selection menu on minecraft. What you just you know right trigger bumper whatever like you can switch to that pretty quickly wreck I wanna I will through or. Just hit the numbers. Okay. But like on if you're playing if you just you just break bumper your way through those. Quick Quick Quick Quick and easy on there but. Similar in grounded, you see all those options at the bottom of the screen while when you press right bumper left or a right trigger. Then you you're, do you do the action that you are? You have currently equipped. If you have a pebble e, you would throw the pebble with our be Cam and okay well All right. Well, I, WANNA I wanNA quick quick swap to my my my hammer it's it's in the slot. Right next to my axe. LemMe. Maybe just press the right. Directional Pad Nope, that brings up the EMOJI. Menu. Oh in order for me to switch things, I have to hold left trigger and then use my my right thumb stick to select the option, and then if I let go of the left trigger, it doesn't actually select that it doesn't actually make me quip that thing you actually have to press the button to equip it. And sometimes that doesn't work. Sometimes, you already equipped it's already equipped and if if I have the AXA equipped and I that I do the thumb stick in the wheel and I select the axe then actually on equips and I'm I have nothing and sometimes you actually throw things. Oh, it's just Going to intuitive thing. Like I'm going to say grand theft auto grant that's auto. You have. You have the weapon wheel whatever hold the left bumper it brings up the weapon wheel. Some stick real quick you you. WanNa, pick your rifle, Dick okay. Select the sniper rifle let go and then you equip that. There there's there's an extra but you don't need to press for. For unless you're trying to eat like a mushroom. And, and I, think. There may be a little bit of the developer being like we're GONNA come up with a new menu system that that that works our way and If it's if it works really well, that's great but sometimes it. Doesn't work well, and sometimes you just have to do what? Other Games are doing. So because gamers are used to. Moving that way in so. I borrow borrow some some menu type stuff from other games and I think you're GONNA be fine. Grad. because. There are some things that are like the get hectic when the spiders are. All of a sudden start chasing after a bunch of spider mites started start attacking a nowhere. You're like I don't WanNa I. Don't WanNa hit them. I WANNA I wanna hit them with a weapon. Left trigger scroll wheel. Let me see. And meanwhile, that might like I'm eating you I'm eating you that definitely moments where you're being attacked by bugs or something is not the time when you want to struggle through six steps to find the proper tool with which to defend yourself from the wolf spider. Speaking of spiders. And the scale of this game. SPIDERS are huge I. found it very interesting that there is a warning at on the on the menu of this game that lets you know if if you have Arachnophobia. That they see that the spiders are huge and if that is going to be a problem for you, you can like change the size of them basically in the settings so that it doesn't actually change the game play I guess but it lessens the effects of Arachnophobia or something. Yeah. I was like all right. Well, at that feels like somebody on the team had a personal. Incident or something, and they're like, yeah we should include that because that's the first time I've seen that in a game I thought that was interesting though those. Let's. Let's talk about the the insects we we see it in this game. You you see. Aphids see. I mentioned might SPIDERS ants. The lady bugs are. The Lady, like they don't they don't have dental attack you but those things are frightening. I. Mean if it seeks up on you, yeah. WHO IS THE LADY BUG? Glow red gigantic. Is a Clo- read like? Yeah get Outta here and Just, very hesitantly walked up to one like please don't don't kill me mist Mister Lady Bug. Don't think I'm in a fit or whatever you eat and there are little GNATS and. Smaller bugs that you can actually. The can like hunt almost and eventually. Booed. That's another aspect of this game. We didn't really talk about there is. A long with stamina and health, there's also a like hydration and food meter. So you have to you have to manage all of those levels. You have to continually find food to make sure that your health meters a can replenish itself to get hurt, and if you do aren't drinking water than than you'll you'll get. Dehydrated and And and good water clean water. I dug that little aspect of it where you. Are Standing Water that you can drink and just like any other Game Yank? Can't drink. It's not good for you but in order in order to get clean drinking water. Do ends up on the like the leaves of grass and so if you if you chopped down a blade of grass than the do drop will fall down and then you can drink. You can drink that that do or we mentioned that the juice box or the soda can you can. You can also get some of those droplets en-. Yeah. And drink it up cy. I i. think that's I think that's a creative way to keep hydration going. I feel like the game has a lot of potential we figured out. We played for a little over an hour almost an hour and a half, and we were able to pretty much play through all of the. The the story portion of the game that exists within it right now. There's some objectives where you have to activate some some sci-fi type things and eventually. You you get introduced to more of. Like the back story of why you might be. Shrunk down into this into this yard, there's there's definitely more. playability in the Alpha stage if you're into the base building aspect or Looking to find more items and unlock other craft credible things like that. But if you're looking for a game that has a fully fleshed out story. At least one that has a. Satisfying conclusion or things like that you may want to wait a little bit longer for grounded but in terms of being in its Alpha stage, I, think I think it has a lot of potential and I dunno I enjoyed the time we spent with it. Yeah. I. I'd really like to see we're ends up going with the story because as the really the the story. Is Not, that long for right now and yeah as as you already mentioned, but they have a way eventually you meet, you meet a character that has small with you that gives you quests that you can compete. You can repeat and then you get you get science points in those science points on lock different recipes they unlock different skills that you can you can equip. In that that that that's Kinda. Cool. But that leads to A. Right. Now because there's there's not a lot of story just kind of repetition. Let's like kill two Mites or kill kill us bite her bilde doorway The other thing who is Y- you build acts you can build a hammer building spear. You could bill all these these types of things but right now. And maybe that maybe this is something that we just had an unlocked yet There's there's tiers of those those tools, and so we in order to build a doorway for our house, we had to chop down A. We'd well, in order to chop down we'd you need a a an axe level too And we never found out how to build an axe level to nope which in like you said, we maybe if we'd kept playing and unlocking more things. Would eventually get there but. In terms of like the basic structures of a of of a you know crafts Hutt. I wouldn't want it to take that long to be able to build a door I. Don't know maybe maybe we just build an open. Open walled area for a while. But yeah, we need. We need. We need to get that. We need to. We need that we'd all you're to get the WHO Dat Dank. We're, so street yeah. Yeah I don't know this upton when when they announced hey, new update or We have the final release version of grounded. You think you'll. You'll revisit it. Yeah I. Think. So I think I would like this I I liked I liked became I I liked playing it with you I thought it was a pretty good game for us to stream as as well One. because. We we talk. We talk about mine craft on the show all the time. Minecraft is like you know minecraft and. It's hard to play minecraft. Much in the same way as it's hard for you to play. Diablo three with me or or any game where there's there's progression because. I'm like I know how to play this game and I want to own a care you along with me and our power level you with me through this and you're like blow. I'm not having fun with it because I'm just getting pulled along. Yeah and minecraft it's similar for you because you you just you have all the stuff you know how progression works so quickly and and I have fun. But I'm like I'm just going to build a whole straight down until they hit bedrock. Or Lama, whichever one? You're fortunate enough to hit whichever I hit I and and to my progression in hat is is much more loosey Goosey like. I. Think about mine craft a little bit differently because I consider it more of just like a world that exists and I feel like. Even in a multi-player realm as they're called now. You have the freedom to play together but also play you're you're very individual like versions of the game to wear if I want to build a mansion on the hill with a with an auto. You know an auto wheat farm or something like I can do that and if you WanNa go and you know build a bunch of square houses that. Are, all, the same. Material or like you can do that also. But then if I'm like, Hey, do you wanna go explore the another together? Then, there's a, there's an opportunity for us to To do that. So I think there's there's there's A. There's a left and right limit for. Games like grounded where we're it's still gives you the ability the opportunity to do your own thing. Like you're you're you're going off on their quest on the quest to advance the story I was. Taking the time to find other material and going to caves and then. Use The science to research other recipes and. What's another interesting point on grounded as the game sits right now you going to research something gave the results of that research to of us. Yeah. So and also, and also with objectives if I went and you know activated the machine or whatever we both progress through the story even if you're off doing something completely different. The Jack. Jawing. Yeah. Let me go fight these two spiders with my with my pebble at axe cut. Those. SPIDERS are scary as hell man. Hey Man? Hey, A. Yeah overall I think I'll give this game another shot as as as progresses and We'll. We'll. We'll check it out. But for now you know it's I'll keep I'll just keep an eye. As, they keep keep adding more and maybe hopefully adjusting those those menu options. The again, now a game. Moving on from from that a game that you brought up to me very last minute I'll say I'm I'm going to say very last minute last night The, day go at least very last minute. You know if it if it's not like a weekend beforehand, it's last minute when it comes apathetic exists because this is this is hard. It's instantaneous basically, yeah. We hear about a leading edge of technology and entertainment which league game we'll. Review. not, non this episode episode. But. It is a game that is on steam is on mobile devices. It's a it's a, it's a game that is very reminiscent of a Jack box game but. It is. It is not that I it's it's much more detailed and actually but it's it's it's a game called among us. We'll wallace throw out there. Yeah. Yeah. So back story for how I came across this game I have a co worker who asked played it told no, he said he was trying to get a group of people at work together to play this game he was he was gonNA bring a a Wifi router. One day to that we could all just. Play together because it is a multiplayer game, you do have to play with other people. and. If you're playing. With friends which I know. Twenty not the best best time to talk about getting together with a group of friends But if you are in with other people in a house, you can play over a local area connection and this is the first way that that I played it is we had about seven seven co workers All had had the APP on our phones and we were in a room together. So we can talk to each other about the game while we were playing it the the the premise game is pretty simple your your tiny little astronauts on a spaceship. Everybody is a crew a crew worker except for one member depending on the settings is an impostor. So all of all of the crew of the ship have a list of tasks that they have to complete where you're running around to different rooms and doing these cool task where where you're adjusting something in navigation and then heading over to electrical to route some power, and then maybe to go and swipe your access card over in the admin section So. So all of the crew is working on these things and then the one imposters job is to kill everybody. On the ship. So you have to blend in look like you're doing tasks as well. But then when you catch somebody alone, you cut them in half and move along on your way So as you as a crew person are moving through the ship, then you if you discover one of these dead bodies you can call a meeting and then. Everybody gets to vote on who they think the impostor is and whoever gets voted off as thrown out into space, and if the impostor is caught, the crew wins if. The impostor kills everybody or gets down to just like a couple of people left than the impostor wins. Very reminiscent of other party games. Mafia things. where? Wolf. And so we played that rounds happened very quick. You can get through around in a few minutes. and. We tried Friday afternoon and then I got a text on Sunday saying, Hey, we're going to try and play an online game if you guys can play Sunday night let me know. So got the invite. We start. We start start loading back up on my phone and then someone's AK shall we jump in discord so that we can talk to each other As I. Go. On discord. And, then I'm like well I'm sitting at my computer now. I'm just GonNa I'm just going to buy this on steam which it's. Five bucks on steam in dollars. Five whole dollars. That's rate I'm just kidding is I spent the two dollars to take ads off. which I think gives you like skins in the game to which are a lot of fun but Yeah. So you can play on steam. There is obviously the local play online play with private rooms and then also public rooms that you can join into But Yeah, you you compare it to that that Jack Box game and at it's funny because when I described the game to Sheena, she's like Oh it's like Jack box game we played and in premise it is very much the same you you are a crew on a ship you have an impostor you have to determine who the imposters get them off the ship. But the gameplay itself is very different. You're you're running around a lot more and at any point like You're you're highly suspicious of everyone else. So if somebody goes into a room with you, you're like. Is, this guy is this the impostor is you know we're cool. Okay. We're cool. Cool, and then you go to walk out of the room and they. Whereas with with with the Jack Box, it's more of okay complete this task answer this question, Oh that person's question was a little bit different than this one's I think maybe that's the impostor right? So there's more action to this one, which is a lot of fun and I think he can get up to ten players in a game which I think would be a lot of fun, and then at that point I think more than seven, you can up the number of impostors as well. So you can have two or three which then allows for imposters tour together things like that so. It is this really interesting. It's fun game I think it would be a great game for us to play with some of our listeners. Yeah. it it it just like snake I echo. Yeah, I think it'd be weird to stream it while we're playing because. If they could see my screen then they would know whether or not I was the impostor and I was like that it would thousand. Net Shit. It'd be kind of Wonky. Maybe. We could play some some public games or something people would watch but Yeah I think I think I think it'd be like we need. We need to play maybe maybe we'll play a few rounds and and through the video up on our patriotic on. For the Patriots on friends Patriot on dot com slash rick and Morty Pie e the game. The game we're talking about, on Jack, boxes as pushed the button the. And and and the reason. The reason we compare it to. It immediately jumps out is because It is. I don't know I. Don't know any other games right now in the past year or so that have been about an impostor on a space station and you're trying to find that impostor get rid of them it in in some ways, it's like the volcano slash Dante's peak slash aunts versus Bug's life. Of of the video game world or this is very, very similar. PREMISES, but they're different different IP's right yeah. Yeah. So I get it, I loaded up among us on my phone and I went through the tutorial. Okay. I don't actually know what I'm doing and then I'm like, yeah, let's I'll. I'll I'll jump right in I. WanNa jump right in a joint a game after I talked to you about it and you're like Oh there's public games I guess we can do that. I hopped into game it started. I played I. Got Maybe a minute and I was following two two guys. Two guys were were walk into a room together and I was falling and I was like okay well, I'm GONNA go down South instead. And I was trying to control it and I couldn't find anything that to activate any buttons to press or anything like that. All of a sudden emergency meeting. Get. into the emergency meeting and it brings up like a chat and so if you're on if you'RE ON MOBILE Steam to brings up a chat, and so people are talking to each other on chat and they're like, it was this guy this guy They immediately, it was like. It it's wit wit is Guy I. saw him kill somebody else and? WIT didn't. Defend themselves. and. Everyone's like, oh It's wit. So then you Dan you as the was that guys Avatar blue no use his he was maybe he was. Just because I played with the guy wit. Weird if he? If you get rain, win a game with somebody that I knew. That that would be weird but. Then everybody voted on wit and then wit got thrown out of the airlock and it was the impostor and that was that was the only time I've ever played first time I played last played. A winner so I jumped into a public game. And I'm just like doing my thing. And I'm like. I I'm in one room with somebody else were neither. One of us are killing each other and Mike Okay. Cool. I got a witness to what's going on I'm like taking care of a task I go to another room take care of a task go to a third room, find a dead body, make the report I report the dead body I call for a vote first thing the chat it's a self report. Pink self reporting. It's definitely him. And I'm like, no no I just found this body here. It's definitely somebody else. I was in this room and everybody's like, nope, it's got it's gotta be him yet self and. Come. To find out the guy that immediately was like he's self reporting. Was the imposter of course. Yeah. I was like Oh does. He ended up winning that round but Yeah. It's I mean it was it was a solid play. When you get booted to? Do does that game end for you and you're like? So That is interesting. If you die in the game you become a ghost which allows you to move through walls. You're not constricted by the layout of the ship. and. You still have all of your tasks. So you are actually still able to complete your tasks as a ghost and try to help your team win even though you've already died. So Yeah it's it kind of if you die, but the game is still going It's almost like an advantage for you because you can move around faster and get to things a little bit quicker. And I I will say, I, have not I've played many rounds of this over the weekend have never. Maybe once but I pretty sure never completed a game where the crew one because they completed all their tasks. Typically. We've won because we've identified the impostor and thrown them off the ship but yeah so I think it's I think it's really interesting game I. Think it's It's fun. I mean. If you if you have a mobile device, it's free it's ad-supported but I agree. But. Definitely, a game that you could you could play with friends and and try out for yourself I think first time I'm an imposter, I'm not gonna do ANYTHING wrong. And I'm just not going to do everything... I'm I'm I'm going to follow Not going Anybody. going people... to Kill Not to kill anybody. y meetings are to happen. We're just gonna, we're just, gonna go through. The ship is going to be saved and then like, "what the Hell, who's the And like, imposter?" I'll "Ha be HA! It was me! I was the impostor and I wanted you to live that I'm an imposter of an impostor! We're all winners here!" The ol' doublecross double imposter. Classic Play. And I'M GONNA get an achievement. Get booted because they're like, okay. This guy is the impostor and he doesn't even kill people point while you just you just wasted fifteen minutes of my and wow, will gal life. Thanks barnyard get out of here she barnyard. I WANNA play, do I do WANNA play, and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA play. We're GONNA play it. Speaking of we're GONNA play. If, you are not subscribed to our twitch. Even if you're subscribe to our Youtube. Make sure that you are following us. Over on those streaming platforms, this Saturday night helped me with the the date, Brandon. That is the twenty second of August twenty second of August. Pushing into the twenty third of August. Especially, on the East Coast we are going to be helping our friends over at Geeky Dot Com with their fourth annual that I think it's longer than that. I think it's progress fourth or fifth I've been. the their pain in the ASS thon. This is a charity that they. They've been supporting the what is it the Colon Cancer Colorectal Cancer Alliance at the CO founder of Geek. A former editor chief Chris Randazzo hey he they started the event to to raise money for colorectal cancer awareness for for his is father in law and So it's it's it's it's a twenty four hour stream kind of a weekend long stream of playing pay Nass Games So so so dean he longtime aid co-founders well, like he plays a lot of Bugsy Games they they play games that have just been notoriously difficult to play and we we've taken apartment I. Pretty much every year since since they've started it as well me more more than and travis mostly because I don't tell them about it. But this this year we're back, we're back together we're covering band back together. We're covering the the steam slashed intendo slash xbox slash ps four game overcooked to write the sequel to the. A thank you. You. Movie Nick forty-seven for the follow over here, following us up so that make sure they don't miss the the Stream, the Saturday night Yeah we'RE GONNA. We're. GonNa. We're GONNA we're, GONNA, we're GONNA play over cooked to we're GONNA see how far we can get in this game and then Raise the money as well. So if you are on the east coast, we are starting at midnight is that correct? Well here's a here's the thing. Here's the thing travis. because. Because it's a constant stream geeky constant stream, they're doing a raid train essentially. Okay. Perfect. And so everyone is on their own channel What what they want is the people who on their own channel to start streaming a little bit earlier that way they can just raid right into it. So we'll although we're we're scheduled for for twelve to two. Twelve eastern to two am in the morning we'll probably start probably at at the latest eleven thirty just to to start we won't I don't think we'll. We'll start with overcooked but we will start talking. We'll start hanging out maybe play among us. Yada. We'll see but then we're going to try to raise money for Geek Aid Ford. 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Okay and and we're we're going to experience. we're we're both were both in leadership positions in our jobs and and we've never worked together as far as like delegation goes to delegate. Hey, what we did do we did do that escape room together. Before before I left Hawaii we do. With our significant other I did let you take the lead and we definitely delegated to our wives. And basically like. Just. Let me just rather remote control that that's I. Don't care. If we solve anything, I just want to drive their control puzzle. Absolutely. But I this this this is a segue. Please please show up on even if you don't follow us at twelve please check out geeky please support the thon but. I'm segue here briefly because I play overwatch to I've played with a couple of folks I played with my son and he gets stressed out and I feel I feel bad about it but also played it with my friend Deanne driver Andean driver her and I were were pretty pretty the game. This story is not about her. It's not about overcooked. Actually it's about her husband. Aaron. For Say Adam driver? No that's no brought wrong Roman Aaron. Driver So we we play we play grand auto was him. ME's size more his his buddy and one thing that we all we. Played. A little bit of was Friday. The thirteenth game. and. Just a love Friday thirteenth Aaron got into this business of being like you know I wanna I wanna I wanNA make a Friday thirteenth mask it can't. It can't be that difficult and he started trying to make masks he's like I probably make a business out of this Salam for how much pop blah Blah Blah. So he started doing that and he recently sent me A. Homemade Jason Masks. And this is from this is from Friday the thirteenth, the one where it's not actually Jason It's from Roy. A paramedic. It is. It's. It's wonderful. It's it is Primo Primo. PREMO quality, and so I just I just WANNA shout out Aaron driver for one sending me a Jason Mask. Well, strike a Roy mask for for my birthday. And I A That's not the that's not the only movie that he did the masks for he also did the mask for four and I think he's he's working on later ones as well. The very cool. Very cool. All right. Well, let's Let's wrap this show up a big thanks to Julian, Johnson for following us over on twitch as well as my enemy podcast following. US tonight. So my buddy followers hanging out on twitter. So happy to have you here. We are streaming every night normally at a tonight. We are sorry normally nine eastern we got a late start tonight but. Thank you so much for hanging out. Thank you for following they for being here, twitch Youtube and now on twitter you can. You can watch these videos and you can also catch the videos If you missed them live go to youtube all the videos are also there. For. Your viewing. So. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you for watching. We're GONNA. Go do a little Poe show hang out with those on the livestream right now, and then we'll catch everybody. 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Rumaan Alams New Novel Started With a Daydream
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Welcome back to working I'm your host, Isaac, Butler and I'm your other host June, Thomas, June Thomas. We just heard from remond. ALLOM. Who is our very special guest for this week and of course, I have never heard of Ramana Lomb. So who is he and why did you talk to him? Well, clearly the most important thing. Is that he is one of the hosts of working podcast how creative people get their work done, and there's a podcast about how creative people get their work done. I'm telling you is co working and so good. It's about the nuts and bolts of the creative process. I heartily recommended really really good. All right. Ramon is also one of the host of a word which is slates LGBTQ podcast and he's a journalist. He writes for you know small magazines like slit in the New Yorker he teaches writing and he's novelist his third novel leave the well behind was published on October six, and although working listeners know Ramona's is a smart empathic questioner interviewer. I want to turn the tables and talk to him about his writing process. Also, I just knew that his wonderful new novel would be nominated for the National Book Award. And it was yes. Yes it is newly minted finalist for the National Book. Award before we get to the show proper I, just wanted to acknowledge that this has been a truly bizarre week in terms of the swirl of news and chaos. Surrounding, it's like a shark NATO of a week our president went to the hospital. There's been a huge covert outbreak through the out the Republican Party in the executive branch, and now maybe the joint chiefs have. Eddie van Halen died. There's been so much going on how do you get your work done in the midst of all of this in the crazier, the world gets the easier. It is for me to get my work done Times like this. I am really really conscious of my many privileges of having a job that I can do from home of not having caretaking responsibilities and working in a field journalism. That people really need right now. So interesting on the old to do list is pretty easy. But when I'm done with work, I have become like an absolutely manic crafter to such an extent that it is clearly like some kind of coping mechanism or distraction device. But right now, I just applaud whatever strategy people are able to grab onto to get through the day so. I mean, the world is funke's. How are you coping? I give myself a C. minus I think I don't know maybe I asked that question because I'm struggling this right now but you know like I. You know this is a podcast about creative work. I overextended myself a bit this week in terms of things that I committed to do, and then on top of that, the news is You know as strong battle, he said crazy go nuts and then on top of that, my child's school is on strike right now and so the confluence of all those things, it's very hard especially because writing. So solitary really in yourself and in the material I am finding it hard to sit down and and get that work done and having to kind of dig deep figure out some new strategies. When I figured them out, you'll be the first to hear about it. Yeah. I have to say I when you kind of put up the list like that what strategy could there possibly be to just kind of coat with quite so many things going on at the same time I think sometimes, we asked too much of ourselves and this might just be one of those times like it's pretty much impossible to get a lot of stuff done although I know Isaac that you just kind of have to right Nah. Yeah. Well, you know the deadlines loom no matter how you're feeling about them right Before we start. We should just say that we have a very special treat for slate plus listeners some extra wit and wisdom of Ramana alarm. 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Join bestselling off taught Henry and his guests as they discuss how to be prolific brilliant and healthy in life and work listened to the accidental creative podcast every Monday on apple podcasts spotify or wherever you listen. Ramana Lomb you are a podcast host, a boot critic, a teacher, a newsletter writer, and novelist your third novel leave the well behind is out on October six and it has already been optioned to become a movie with Julia Roberts attached I'm curious if you remember the very first like fleeting seed of an idea that grew into the book, Do you have any such memory? It's so difficult because we of course, revise our memories as time passes. I have a very clear memory. Of being on the upper west side of Manhattan in the winter of two thousand seventeen. The writer Laura Lippman had let me borrow her apartment in New York City so that I could break for a week, which is like I mean, you can't really imagine a more generous gesture. So I was there for a week away from children and family and. It's not far from the river where the apartment is and it was absolutely freezing cold jus-. Oh so cold in that way that York can be when you're right on the Hudson and I found myself daydreaming about vacation taken that summer that August my family had rented this Airbnb in kind of unfashionable part of long. Island? It's not adjacent to the hamptons where you can buy you know caviar at the grocery store. This is like a quiet rural part of long. Island but as a beautiful house swimming pool. and. I was there for this week that was so magical. The weather was really incredible and I found myself thinking a lot about that particular space and so I think that is where the seed was planted where it was like I want to write about this house I want to write about the summer vacation, but I didn't know what I wanted to do with that material that came later. And an upturn home kind of comes into the book as well. That's right. That's right. I hadn't I actually hadn't thought about that, but you're right. I'll give you an opportunity to describe your novel briefly. I'm not going to get into the specifics too much because by the time this episode airs not many people will have had a chance to read it although I highly recommend it and I'm sure they will before too much time has passed but just so that people know generally what it's about could you just describe it briefly young appreciate that because there's a particular challenge here. I don't really care about spoilers generally speaking in art forms but I do think that there's an instinct with respect to this book to hide some of what it's doing so that the reader can have fresh experience with it. This is a book about an upper middle class white couple who live in Brooklyn and have two teenage children. Heading out to. A vacation on long island much like the one just described or quite literally the one I've just described to you. and. So this family Amanda who works in Advertising Clay who is a professor and their two children, Archie and rose. Spend, forty-eight hours going to the beach hanging out at the pool eating. The kinds of meals you eat when you're on vacation like ice cream Sundaes for no reason. And then there's a knock at the door the second night of their holiday. And the adults are really taken aback because they're out in the country. They don't know anyone there. There's no reason anybody would be stopping by the House and they opened the door and find an older couple standing there. And this couple G. H. and ruth explain to them that this is their house that they rented this house to them on Airbnb and that they have come there because there's been an emergency and York City and they are seeking safe haven. And the rest of the book sees these six people inside this one home trying to figure out what if anything is happening in the world outside of their doors. I'm curious having heard that I germ. Have to can you possibly kind of think were that vague idea? This beautiful place is interesting place. Which is actually Setting rather than story like can you recall how that develop more like did you outlined? Did you sit at a desk and just surfing? Okay. What could happen in space like that to me feels The most mysterious writing a book I do think that you have to have a destination in mind before you can sit down and write or at least I do so it shouldn't speak in generalizations only only speak about my own process. Is Clear. Telling who has read the book as You have this is not. A fantasia about a family holiday, it goes into quite different territory. So even if I've just described being inspired or motivated by my own experience of a family holiday, the resulting book departs from that significantly. Part of what I wanted to do. was take a very small domestic scenario. And find something big and important inside of it. So, there's a whole body of books about people vacation, for example, and they tend to be books about family life and identity, and the characters we'll be negotiating. Their romance or coming to terms with sort of complicated family struggle or you know the idea being I, think you take people out of their usual geography and then it sort of clarifies how they orient themselves in the world. So that's one kind of book and. I think that those families stories are really important and really interesting, and in fact, they're sort of my favorite things to read. But, I wanted to show that you can also make a bigger statement about the world self using that language of family story. And so I think that was part of the endeavour that I wanted to show that you take a tidy domestic scenario of a woman shopping for groceries or a family sitting down at the dinner table and extrapolate from that into something that eliminated. Contemporary politics or our approach to the environment or Our cultural confusion about the objectivity of reality itself You know something you just said you talked about a woman shopping for groceries and which, of course made me think of a woman shopping for flows and the hours? Were that goes and I. It reminded me that when I was researching I, there was an interview that you did when you talked about how a scene in the book involves clay was like a scene I think in the Magic Mountain yes and it made me wonder. You know maybe some people think that the only kind of. WHO Researcher Nonfiction Book Writers clearly novelist also do research what did you research consist of was about facts and what was like rereading magic mountain or rerouting the hours which of course was my projection was it's very kind of you to frame this as a question about research rather than one about theft. But certainly I think that what I would imagine it's true for anyone involved in making are is that the process of? Looking at are encountering in whatever form. Painting in. Theater in books. Is a process of research what you're talking about building a library of private reference. and. You can draw upon that will and I think that you know or at least I know with a specific project what I am more drawn to what relates to the project hand. So you mentioned the Magic Mountain, which is one of my favorite novels full-time. and. That novel the Magic Mountain. Captures a particular feeling of solitude of isolation and the scene that I'm talking about being inspired by is Chapter I. Believe is called Snow in which the protagonist of the story has gone out on a skiing trip. For the day he's left the sanitarium to go out skiing. And there's a storm and he finds himself lost and. Begins to panic and worries that he can't find his way back to the sanitarium where he is staying with his ill cousin. and. Gets increasingly kind of fevered and. Deranged and things that he has been gone for hours and hours he finally finds his way back. And he thinks that he's been gone for hours and hours and he's been gone for like twenty minutes and there's something really fascinating about that particular feeling to me and it's like Thomas did better and so if I want to capture a feeling of confusion or isolation or the ways in which your mind can play tricks on you, I'm going to think about a writer who has done that really well, and I'm going to have that in mind or if I'm thinking about. Drinking is a big part of the. There's a lot of scenes of people drinking and I was thinking about. WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF? Specifically. Mike. Nichols. Film adaptation of that work in which there is so much drinking that I've heard. So many people say this the simple act of watching that movie makes you feel drunk. And I wanted this book to be animated by that same thing that when they are sitting around drinking vodka trying to figure out what's happening in the world that you the reader. Feel a little tipsy. So you feel a tip that reflects the characters are acting but also that has like a longer heritage and it's meaningful to me in the construction of it. I don't know if it's meaningful to the reader in the experience of encountering, but I think that those. Private references and symbols and anecdotes and does private touchstones of art exist for everyone making art, and sometimes they matter to the save don't. We'll be back with more of June's conversation with Ramana Lomb in just a moment. This episode of working is supported by team mystery team is is a podcast that tells the stories of teams who worked together in new and unexpected ways to achieve remarkable things. 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Love that also because I'm a huge fan of blossom dearie but also I, feel like I could know sit down and write like short versions of that kind of list for all your characters in the novel. And so I wondered. Do you in fact, do that kind of exercise like when you're writing? Do you think what would amandus favorite novel be what would Claes bad habit be like? Do. You do those things to kind of flesh out your characters or is that completely my projection? I. Don't I wish I did it makes me think of when you hear about like certain kind of actors who you know are so committed to losing themselves in a performance that they won't take off the costume or that they'll. Read the book that their character might have on there that the seller has put on the bedside table right? They'll try to really embody bad. I don't because I treat these people. As both real and. As, little devices to enact a story, and so I invest them ultimately with just myself or little things I've stolen from other people where salient. But for the most part. I mean readers often want to ask what is autobiographical in a given book of any any writer not just any waiter that's a question that they have to answer and my answer, which is so unsatisfying. Is that everything is autobiographical because you're always locked inside of your own sensibility. So you can't even prove that the way in which the sky looks blue to you is the way in which the sky looks blue anyone else. So it's always mitigated by your own experience of thing and so. When I put these signposts inside of a book as I do in this one, like you may have noticed that there's a scene in which ruth talks about ruth is the black homeowner she talks about Tchaykovsky Swan. Lake you may have noticed that on my current enthusiasms list I think from probably from two thousand and eighteen. And that is how I feel about Swan. Lake. So she's just saying what I feel about a work of art, but that doesn't mean that I am Ruth or she me. Yeah. Similarly. When I again when I think of the characters like something one thing at least about each pops into my mind like could be a habit. They have like Claes's smoker ruth like Swan Lake Is. that a trick that you have discovered that you are working on us the reader when you creating these characters, were you thinking to put in a very reductive crass way like watts clothing thing what's Ruth's thing? I don't know if I was thinking about distilling them down to a particular tick or habit or. Some facts from what you could extrapolate meaning. But I do think what you're talking about something that I only realized. Lately, which is that when writing a book most of the work of the book being done by the Reader So if you say. Barbara went on the hall to answer the telephone. The reader is picturing. One kind of Barbara one kind of hall, one kind of telephone, and you can affect that by saying Barbara went down the dimly lit hall chance of the telephone our Barbara went down the hall to answer the, yellow telephone. So you can kind of decide what is important in that picture, but the reader is completing that picture that's kind of liberation actually, and so it lets you get away with less labor less description and allowing the reader to have a toehold in the world. Yeah and to be clear like. When I say you know. This is their thing that can seem like A. About thing but to me actually. It made these characters really gave them souls that they're people who I know remembers like if I think of smokers clay, I think of Swan, Lake I'll think of Ruth like that's actually an amazing trick if that's what it is So certainly don't mean any shade by it. No no I I I. Guess I guess you're like you don't want to speak of character as device. To enact story I think you're identifying something important, which is the character has to feel like more than that. They have to feel like you can visualize them. We're like you can understand them as in the context of the people you know in your own life and you know I think you're right like it's telling that clay is not just a smoker but a secret smoker. Yes because. That's like a particular kind of person and that's important and then as the book draws to a conclusion and he, I, think the narrative says at some point that he doesn't have any cigarettes left like that becomes meaningful in a different way. So. I guess you're right. The. Endeavour. In this book, certainly to establish a sense that these people. Are Not fake that you could know that you could have a feeling about them. You know you mentioned how the reader does a lot of the work of the music you don't spend as I recall. Many words on describing their physical appearance. Do you have a clear picture of them? I have a very simple answer to that, which is that I am completely face blind, and so the way people look is very difficult for me to explain and very difficult even for me to see and so faces when I read faces being described or even physicality being described. It doesn't. Really compute. It's almost like when people talk about math so. Describing. People who I want you to be able to envision until I do talk about sometimes what they're wearing or their relative physical size or some details about their physionomy. Yes but I rarely say like. Symmetrical feast with an equine knows on a smattering of freckles and you know hair like this because I just don't. I rarely know what that means just such a weird admission. But I truly am so face blind and I'll tell you the mask situation in right now has made this even more difficult for me. I have had the experience many many times in my life of seeing someone. I know quite well out of their regular context and not knowing at all who they are. And my husband by contrast is like a super recognizer like I always say he could work for the we'll see someone and he'll say like, oh, that person was our waiter at the Odeon in two thousand eleven and it's like I don't know how you can remember people like that. But I think it makes sense that he works as photographer and he's really connected to his I and I work as a writer I'm really connected to language and not necessarily the I. So. This book you must've finish one year ago. I delivered a final draft of this book in January of two thousand twenty. Okay. So it's been about nine months are the characters still alive to you beyond like knowing the boot well, enough at this point to be able to talk about it but do they kind of creep into your thoughts? Do you see something and think you know and think Oh Amanda would wear that? No. They received from my. The the act of writing is such a weird. Fever. Because you have to give yourself. believing in something that's entirely unreal. And I can only exist in that place while I'm in the work. Once the work comes back to me. In manuscript form and I'm looking at the language and I'm looking at fixing you know doing the editing copy editing. By that point. I feel out of it. I feel out of that fever well, which is a relief to be clear. It is a relief. Yeah. Yeah. You know I imagine the each stage of writing a book has a different intensity has a different feeling. You Know Oh thinking of ideas outlining. To sit in there and writing however many thousand words you know final push whatever those phases might be. Do you have a favorite do you have one that you particularly dislike? I think you're right that there are different modes they're different like emotional responses to the part where you're sitting. With a blank piece of paper and a Pencil, which is what I usually do and try and make some kind of map. Some kind of outline of physical representation of what the shape of the book will be and then the point where you're. Engaged in writing scene and the words are working well on the language working well, and you know exactly and sometimes there's a moment where you know exactly what you want to, and there's an urgency even in the type like you're trying to get it onto the screen before it falls out of your head. I think that for me, the hardest part is. The most labour-intensive part, which is the revision when you have the three hundred pages. And you have to pick them apart again and figure out how to best reassemble them that part for me is very, very difficult. With this book, for example There's a scene you and I were talking about inspired by the Magic Mountain. Berklee leaves this family home and ventures out into the world in the car to get to the bottom of what's happening and he gets lost, and in the original draft of the book I think that happened in one long chapter and in the Finnish version of the book it happens. In two chapters that are punctuated by another and the simple act of pulling that one chapter into two and fitting another chapter in between those two halves was challenging. It was hard and that sort of stuff is really hard for me to do and I don't love doing it even though it's important because my editor someone who's told me I have to do it. Right. Does it matter to you if readers? Decide that leave the world behind is about X. When you think about why. No because it's none of my business unfortunately. I have three hundred pages to do what I WANNA do. And then my job is over and once I handed over to the reader. I no longer really a part of the transaction, and so there's a reader who's going to read this book and feel that it is about being a parent. There's a reader who's going to read this book and feel about climate change as a reader who's going to read this book and feel about contemporary politics as a reader who will read it about race. All of those readings I think are equally valid. And have very little to do with my own intention for the material. You know it's just it's not up to me and when you think about your own private experience of a work of art. It's meaningful to you because it is and you don't have to check that against the painters intentions or the filmmakers intentions. One of the many things you do is right boot reviews I. You did a fantastic episode of working conversation with Charles finch about being a book critic but. I am of course curious if. Having been reviewed changes or has changed the way that you approach writing book reviews. It has I think. Because I know how difficult it is to write the novel or write A. Book and I know what an investment of time and emotion and just you know a book represent years of providers life and so I think having experienced that intimately firsthand. I feel more generous impulse toward the books that I'm asked to look at not that anyone's being graded on a curve for the simple fact of having written a book. But that I better understand what an individual book represents to in terms of labor in terms of time for an individual writer and I tried to look at it. With maybe a generosity or you know I try to think about this is something that Charlie said in conversation that I think was really useful is thinking about it in terms of what the writers intention was but the raiders project was. than in terms of what I care about what's meaningful to me. So for example, if I hate books that are about Chinese restaurants and I'm reading a book about a Chinese restaurant. I need to set aside my own feelings about books about Chinese restaurants order to think about the work that the writer was trying to accomplish. To be clear, I would happily read a book about a Chinese restaurant. In almost every interview that you give there's a question about your ability to present perspectives or write from perspectives that aren't your own. Across gender and race particularly. So this is the moment where I ask that question but I wanna turn around just ever. So slightly and ask if you think you'll ever write a novel about son of immigrants or a gay dad or someone of Bangladeshi heritage or a podcast host are you are you less interested in perspectives that are more familiar to you? I think that the answer is I'm less interested in myself than I am another people. I'm. Increasingly. Conscious of. The moral dimension of what I do for a living and desire. If you're about parenting which I think I do quite a bit certainly in this book and in the previous one. That I'm going to do it in such a way that doesn't expose. The real children to whom I am a parent right that they have since sort of obligation. To them and their. Self. Hood. You know not to use that my in my s fictional material. When I described being at lower Lipton's apartment in December. Two, thousand, seventeen I was in fact writing a book about a man about an immigrant. And it didn't. I mean that's still the book that I have on deck right. I haven't exactly cracked make make it sing and maybe I won't because it's just too close to me maybe I'm just liberated by writing about something like step away from me. But I also think. So you know because you work with me on the podcast outward where queer people are talking kind of month after month about like. How shoddy and insubstantial our understanding of identity in this culture actually is like that we tried to enforce some kind of rigorous binary about like men and women or black and white as a man couldn't understand a woman or vice versa. If If someone who is writing a novel is so unable to conjure the psychology of somebody who happens to be a different sex than them. The not is a failure of their imagination I think and I think we should expect writers to explore different identities. It's much easier to do on the page than it is to do reality. And I. Think There's a lot of great fiction. In which the author's writing across a line of difference especially with respect to sex. As you know I'm somebody who works in the media business. So I've spent most of my career working among and indeed for women and so I've had kind of. Front row seats to the performance of upper-middle-class middle class womanhood in New York City. So when it comes to fictionalized that I don't have to I don't have to. Do a ton of research. I know that material backward and forward, and it's much more compelling to me than the material of my own life. Support for working comes from facebook voting. This year is a little trickier than usual. What you don't want to do is be the one sprinting to the mailbox trying to send in a minute vote or get to the front of the line at the polls only to realize you're not registered. That's why facebook has created the voting information center with you want to know how to register to vote by mail or vote safely in person the voting information center can help you find the answers to your questions. A make sure your vote is counted because of vote counted is voice heard for official information from election authorities visit facebook, dot, com slash voting infocentre. June. That was a great conversation I learned so much both about writing and I'm a writer. So I'm trying to get those nuggets of wisdom and about remond himself you have worked with him in several capacities over the last few years. In fact, I think when we were first talking about doing this show, you were like we need a third host and specifically we needed to be Ramon alarm because he's so wonderful. So what new things did you learn about our esteemed colleague I'll tell you what I did not learn Isaac and that is Something that he's not good at there must be something, but it was not revealed in that conversation. He's a very thoughtful insightful guy and I learned that he has a philosophy about every aspect of writing character setting story and I was really glad to learn that I'm a great believer in mission statements whether that's real podcast or the way a company business or raising children otherwise, how do you know if you're meeting your goals? You gotTa have goals and I really know that Ramon has a very clear vision of what it takes to write a novel and I I love that. Yes. You know it strikes me that one of the reasons why people are going fucking crazy over leave the world behind is that it is A. Book. But another reason is that it seems so precious. So tapped into our current predicament to such an extent that it almost feels like. What prophetic stream of the Zeitgeist was Ramon plugged into when he was writing it. In your normal cultural consumption when you're reading books watching movies whatever. Do. Do you want works of art that speak very directly to what's going on in our present moment or do you want to get away from that? Are you are you reading station eleven and watching contagion for the twelfth time with the with the lights turned off or you going in the other direction? Completely? Well normally, my inputs are very wide-ranging, but in these very very weird times, I have gone completely to the light end of the spectrum. It's all delightfully lifting Canadian comedies Agatha Christie runs and really really old radio plays for me but I will say that I found romance novel like really comforting in unexpected ways I mean again when you know the plot, you think, oh, this is going to be really dislocating in a dislocating year but for me I know he said Oh, I don't care what people take to be the meaning of the novel but. I took away a pretty clear meaning which was. You know for me leave the world behind is about the futility of always seeking explanations and our resistible desire to know why things happen. And I think that a lot of the time what breaks is psychologically is losing that sense of understanding and I've been having a particularly Rococo dental issues recently even for me and. All the various specialists. Always, you know want to know why strange things are happening and Ramones boop really made me feel much more comfortable saying you know what? I don't know because sometimes, why just isn't the right question and his really led me to understand that in my bones which funnily enough is where my particular problems lie, what about you? You know right now because I'm in the middle of drafting more than one project that is asking for me creatively. My reading is entirely either research stuff. It's for those projects or it's like this is the hour I have left in the day and and so I am going to engage in literature for its own sake I have a science fiction and fantasy book club, and which is actually on hold right now because of the aforementioned deadlines and I wasn't my choice, it was someone else's but they chose a an apocalyptic novel and I I was like Oh God. dammit. But it was actually really wonderful to read. It was not a terrible soul crushing experience is about you know what of our civilization of ourselves and of our world indoors and. That was a really great feeling to experience that. What It is a book called. Hollow. Kingdom by a curator Jane Buxton and basically a Zombie outbreak has happened. You know all humanity has turned into zombies and so it's narrated by a domesticated crow who sets out with his best friend a bloodhound to try to free all the domestic animals in Seattle. And so it's Hilarious I mean it's very funny 'cause it's from the point of foul mouth crow but it also had this great kind of idea which is like what of humanity will actually persist when we're gone what are the good parts of wall we're destroying everything around us and it wound up providing some comfort even though humanities totally screwed in it. I am guessing from the moment in the interview when you were talking about characterization with remind you were surprised perhaps even taken aback by his approach to character and what he thinks character characters four and how you write one. I just thought it was so fascinating the way he creates a character why and how? Impart flow from the fact that he's face blind right? Maybe that's because I like his husband have near total recall for faces. ME. Too Me too same. I am a super sierras well, which makes me and standing celebrity spotter for me like my equivalent of that like so sure it was all about the characters in the writing process was all about like giving corky traits and takes to two characters. Because of me like I was reflecting my own habits and tastes like I think it's a sign of a successful piece of fiction that we treat characters like we do real people. So I think we were talking about I have a good memory and one of the ways that plays is I can always remember like factoid that people told me about themselves or their families and I've kind of squirrelled away some factoid about the characters in this book like I am prepared with a good nugget should i? Ever, run into clay are Amanda or H Ruth who are characters from that novel. So I really don't think I'm going to but has sign of good fiction, right? Yeah. Absolutely, and you know part of that is also his approach I guess I would say the way he thinks about what is autobiographical in a book that to some extent everything's autobiographical because we're trapped in our own subjectivity and it all flows from us. So all writings autobiographical, but his work is not autobiographical in the way. I think. Critics and the market might expect which has to do with pulling very directly from his identity. Right there is actually I think no character in the book who lines up with his particular identity categories. Are Definitions of autobiography are too narrow. What do you think about that? Absolutely, it's really clear in leave the world behind that remind is intimately familiar with certain kinds, personalities, and people and. All the things that are important to those people, the things that they feel the need to signal at all times and the things that they feel they have to hide that kind of understanding I guess is what's really important when it comes to creating characters whose biographies aren't or sunlight, they're not the same as the authors. Absolutely. Well, we hope you have enjoyed this episode of working. If you have please consider doing any number of the following things you can subscribe to the podcast wherever you get your guests If you happen to be an apple podcast person, please consider us a review. 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MELR0210 #18 - Melrose Place "Responsibly Yours"
"This is a head. Gum podcast Hello and welcome to another edition of Melrose to know a quarantine. Sideshow of the we hate movies. Podcast where Ian the we ask you to please remain indoors. But put on your sunscreen or have a little bit of fun today right revenue the dam right. Yeah this is up to a place known as Melrose. And that's it. I was GonNa say Rod Sterling submitted for your approval. A short bad new sounds like a horse. Miro's were a lot of white. People narrowly avoid getting laid. They really do man. It is like hopscotch with not having sex in this show. Has anyone like except for that one episode where Billy was fucking pipe with one lady? I think that's it and obviously Jane and Michael or fucking on the rig what you're asking about like successful fucking yeah see. I think what you're not here. Does that Dude Matt is getting a wet every fucking I hope. So because that guy's life seems pretty miserable. Yeah Dude it can't be all fucking halfway houses and bounce checks. I HOPE LOTTO. I really hope that he's fucking US left. And right speaking of responsibly. Yours is the eighth episode of the Ninth Episode of Melrose Place. Season One Original air date. September Ninth Nineteen Ninety two and And who are you? Oh I'm sorry question you know what I sterling Rod Sterling talking to you you know what? I cut warming up short and that was a mistake. My name is Steven Sadek. I am joined as always with very good friends of mine except for Andrew who likes to point out my flaws. Eric Cisco Hello. Christopher Cabin Roy and Andrew. Open you'll also notice the man is never made a mistake. I gotta tattooed right on my ass Yeah so this is an episode. It's mostly a billy episode for an for billy stands out there. At least of the billion pressure will be excited to know that there are those cursed people mr and mrs shoe i gotta say i liked this episode because it was a billy episode. It's just like I hate watch is like I mean. Look I guess the idea is. Billy is so immature red. Just GonNa sit around and wait for him to figure it the fuck out. Is that the idea. Because I'm already sick of it. Well he's got the brain of baby yup but he looks good so you WanNa fuck them and there's some there's something in between our that I guess you're supposed to be attracted to well. It's like that like innocent pool boy naievety kind of thing and this episode kind of makes a little bit more sense because it's like him going after an older woman and like you could see all of this coming together. If it weren't for the fact that this woman was a Kathy S CA. Stand up comedian with a kid that no one should want to be around now by Kathy. You mean like the Comic Strip and not Kathy Griffin Kathy Griffin no Catholic. Urban is real comedian. This woman. No I meant like the AC acquiesce pointed out. 'cause contemporary of Dawn Bonds Kathy Griffin. Yes I actually think that she probably the problem for this woman as she missed the standup comedy boom in the eighties. She's not GonNa make it on the scene. That's coming up. You know what I mean. It's like the early nineties. Rare true though Janeane Garafolo. She's no Laura Caitlyn or even. Wow that takes me back. Go BACK IN TIME. Put some money on. Ucb Get out. Before the getting's Good Petrou Still existing in Los Angeles and the Grid Los Angeles area as far as I know So this episode speaking of the Greater Los Angeles area. We've got billy just driving around his cab. He sees a woman new cab by the way. Oh isn't a new exciting. He fucking smiles like Wolf when he sees this lady. Broken down on the fucking the real killer. Nuts it by notes. I said it's a Bundy. S Caribbean. Like Oh yeah here. It COMES SCOTT. Nowhere to go now. It was totally crazy. Like he moves like it starts off his lissome like can like fake punk rock music or whatever and it was so weird. How as soon as he spotted that woman broken down that toothy Grin came out and he just gently adjusted the radio to Tom. Petty Funny You should say that I was looking at the soundtrack because it's always We never obviously Hulu and whatever they they cut it out to songs in this episode. I don't know where they are one. I won't back down with Tom. Petty and the other one is if you were here on Monday. You'll laugh at this wicked game by criticizing no way when sandy and jake are about the bone. I would definitely feel like Aaron spelling. Fuck could sit down with. Chris is Chris I just what the what. The whole kit and caboodle. I want to be in the Chris. Isaac whatever that is. I wish we could pay more money to get the real songs you know what I mean again. Exactly what could I could? I spend two dollars an episode just to hear the fucking right thing what I wanna I wanna hear Hertie Gertie man when he smiles and sees. That's a great idea. Though dude I would pay like an extra few bucks a month and Hulu to get bumped up to the actual licensed music level. It would be fucking pain for itself in no time and then you also now. All these artists are getting extra money you know. The whole the touring industry is dead. Right now they could use it totally So yes so he he pulls over it is he comes across. Hold on we pull up. The actresses name just went away because looking at the SANTRAC. She was in. Just one of the guys. Yes film. Great Comedy Central Classic Joyce Heizer as Dawn Bonds Here Joyce Heiser dated Warren Beatty. At some point really Oh yeah she must have got too old for him at some point. Well yes she was number. What three hundred and seventy-five she got something at some point? He's doing this thing that I cannot fucking stand and I've never understood the dude impulsive. Let's pretend I know everything about this broken down car. Do that as you are fucking playing with. Fire Man Asshole. You either know how to fix cars or you don't and the vast majority of us don't so you blake. Hey Lady looks like a broken down. Can I call someone for you tackling and it turns out this lady knows way more than he does? He's like Oh all out What your chuck. The the cool enter. What seems a little low. And she's like that's the oil you dump pig. I mean you guys are judging this guy a lot but like how el-sisi supposed to get the syringe or neck close to say something I'll carrier ride. I'd do the service station but you gotta helped me move this couch. I find that the back theater by cow doesn't have a lock but the just got spiked like in the movie the bald collector. This may look like a carb on the outside. It's actually an old police car. No Oprah list backdoor dawn. I can't do the voice at all my God let me try to get get to Alison Ellison else. Okay all right. This cab is actually death. Proof go left to right you really to be sitting in my seat. There's some be talking to my lawyer Kobayashi. But so yeah she gets in. The car is a girl. Take you to the gas station will figure this out together and like she. It's like a sarcastic humor thing she's like doing and it's all the writing. Whatever it's not this is not a real comedian fair. She's presented as such because she's playing open mic shows. Yes and she also is like super sarcastic. He's playing the ready to. Hey Tony Orlando. What are your tone it down a little bit. We do these kinds of 'cause she's dawn. Of course GOTCHA issue fifty two. Well that's the thing that's weird right is not only does she have these like snappy one liners but like it's snappy one liners that you find in like older style. Comedians like almost like a rickles because she does not let up like busted his balls the entire time except when he stops to one compliment her name but then like she says like what are day job is. She's like oh a sell shoes and he just bucket goes. You fell shoes. Wow what a way out you. You'll by the thief or ballet Shrove Wa WanNa fuck area because it's amazing says I don't know man I gotta pay the fucking bills. You're not banning author. Burate appraised the dark album. I really come on their perfect pair. Wow it's so crazy such a pretty smart lady but you got the personality of an year old. Insult comic she actually. It's it's it's funny. How things come back She doesn't have enough money for the fair so she's like. Oh Hey I can't give you a little lawn cash. How about I give you these at you pulls out a bunch of open mic tickets. Do which is not legal. Tender value started having flashbacks. That do because she fucking whips at these tickets. She's like well how about we You know trade to make a trade or whatever it is and she pulls these tickets out and the first thing she says is bring your friends and I started having flashbacks to fucking like Improv. Shows like please come to my fucking show? I'm contractually obligated to bring thirty people or else I'M GONNA. Oh the club. Eight hundred dollars more abusing those as money. It's like saying I can't cure your cancer but I can give you a bowl house. That has that in the trade like they should have been at least like a gift certificate to the movies or something or twenty percent of shoes. How about that Your Shoe Lady? That's the that's the thing you do that has value to me. That would have actually been kind of a funny cute scene of billy trying on shoes at her place. Yeah totally get a little. I'm too sexy montage. So we cut back to melrose place before we do though. I WANNA point one less thing about this scene where she gets dropped off. Because it's really funny and I don't know why they didn't do a second safer looking take but when they arrive at the gas station she's like. Oh here's a filling station you drop me off year and they have this shot. Where like it's definitely Andrew? Shoot driving the car. And he whips it into this fucking gas station right in front of these two extras. That are walking by. Jesus Christ almost hit those two girls. Also you know from the scene very important to point this out that he of course will be able to get along with little kid because he has the Little Kid. Naievety that when she's like. Hey here's some tickets to this open. Mike. I'm doing stand up at his response is not polite like thanks but no thanks but he eagerly grabs the tickets and goes cool is a dumb ass much like the child. Billy you know what I asked you until this week cab. You brought me six open bike. Tickets Group on the Hardee's This is I can't do this. I need real case Billy Rieger. I got this fucking idiot driving by cab all yours. Okay you can just pay me in twizzlers scandals not twizzlers. Change for a peanut. The worry about the Mercedes I got off on Flabbier pogs pods. That's how I pay by Bell. Pucks member pogs kid. They're the hottest item right now. I think my collection of buttons to the IRS so they come back to bells place and Rhonda is making everyone dinner at Allison's place and she's making sure that you fan like billy will not shut the fuck up immediately since five tastic. Everybody wants all day I had. Oh God is GonNa do the small night and and they're kind of making fun of him because this happens every fucking week weaken. They're sick of it. Well also he's fucking totally insulting to Rhonda's cooking. He's like a war is. This shit were eighty. She's like I'm making crawfish a to for everyone who pitched in which was not you. By the way will he goes like. Oh more talking about my report the stupid dinner. I should stop cooking for you. And he's like I will. I kept pitcher but I do have thought. Think of decorative cash value which is tickets thought. Open Bike Mister Simpson. Do you see this right here. Where it's his void void check actual cash value less than one hundred one set like dude. God it then if someone was like here's my contribution to this dinner. Everyone pitched in for also comedy club tickets. And you know he's drinking all the wine you know. He's just sitting down having two large everyone else having one glass before they finish their one blast. He's filling up his second own. You fuck any asking if they have taller glasses. So it's okay 'cause he's good for it. How also he's it's the obnoxious thing of like it's a big group dinner and everybody's doing something to contribute and he's the only one that's just standing there not fucking helping or even like you know you can't even get a whiff that he has asked if he can help with anything. Well you know what Andrew. He's just a macho guy. He's not gonNA Jennifer for anybody people cooking. If you are Allison Matt and Rhonda. He's like well. That's a woman's work. I'm just GONNA go downstairs kiss Jake's bike for a bit and way for him to come back outside the we can play so we see her. Stand-up set it's horrible. It's really just like I mean again. You can't trust the melrose place writer story to stand up said Worth Damn It's not very funny And everyone's laughing and it's so I feel so bad for Matin this everyone. Everyone Goes Rhonda Matt Allison and Billy go to see this woman. Standup set don stand at and like she comes she finishes such comes out and Matt has to say something because he's nicely that thing you said about Single life is really really true. Wow that's just your great man. The the the non compliment to any comedian is the what you just said about X. Oh it is so wasn't funny at all but man. Did we get a look here Everybody on extra alert during this comedy. Club scene I was looking. I didn't notice anyone but there were some interesting faces. Dude Front row center was a guy with just the most full low wing. Rapunzel esque long hair. It was raging. Is it the MCI? Who's dressed like fucking rob Steven Wright and Robin Williams put together kind of thing? No was a dude like in the audience. The MC is quite something I will say. This was a episode where I noticed very loud wardrobe on all levels almost every scene. I was kind of blown away ton. It's a lot to deal with what was also is billy's also dressed like a little kid throughout this entire segment fix it so much harder for take take take him seriously when he's trying to basically raise this woman's John the sad lot in this episode baggy striped t shirt and like these humongous shorts. And he's Hi Allison at one point has this hunter S. Thompson ask like jungles shirt on that. She's tucked into shorts. That do not fit dude. It's the nineties baby and we just gotTa deal with it. It is just ninety. S coming back. Man I think saw Hunter Thompson where that execture an episode Letterman. One time so you know. She doesn't terrible stand upset. And her and billy go out for dinner afterwards. Which again is just like. Hey guys thanks for crooked dinner. Be wallpaper for my fucking to shot by. Grow this girl that I have fried that. Fuck OUR AIR. Turn pile of cut out talk. Our it is fucking crazy. The Steve What did he say they are like having the awkward post show chat or whatever and he's talking about like going out to pizza and shit she has an awful line though. And it's like I do not understand this woman's Viking attraction to this dude like he says some line it's after Matt's fuck in You know it's so true comment at she goes Somebody OUGHTA bottle this guy for but digital purpose and I was like Yeah Dude fucking assisted suicide because he's so flattering and Hunky to her. You know it's like Oh wow I could use more that I guess so. We'll Sushi. The during the dinner. They realized that she's divorced You know she's a little older. You know her. Her ex-husband wanted to be David. Lee Roth it. Seems that something that'll be? He had a drug problem. A pretty a it'd be we can look at this guy attended. David Lee Roth is not the first thing I talk commendable to try to be David Lee Roth than Ro Robert e Lee closer so they hit it off and he Is Over the moon for her. We cut to sort of the be plot. Which is Jake and Michael? You know. It's just the morning and Michael's echo man kid with have this big data have with Jane and like Jackson on man. You're so lucky my life is empty and weird and I've killed three people this week. I just wish I had someone the debtor Bedell. I love this fucking Shit. Because it's like you know Jake's life has been nothing but an onslaught of like rushing sex and violence so he's so envious of any type of normalcy. Is He actually working at the garage or is he killing for higher? That's a great question. We've never seen it work at this at the garage at all yet. No back net okay. Back never came back never like mentioned or seen but I have to say he must be pretty fucking desperate if he is going to Michael Manzini for advice about ladies. Man ooh Michael. I just wish I could stop. Stop what you know a casual sex. I mean it's just the worst. What are you talking about man? You totally killing it out there. Who Don't you? Yeah but yeah he's just like Oh Jay Cutler completed about different broad every night. Which again like I've never look. Everyone keeps saying this but I've never seen this happen. He's kind of full drought. That con artist lady from his past. And that is it thus far. There's gotta be a second location like the House that Jake built my God. You want to see my garage xactly. It's just really a thing where he's a listed. Jake you'll problem. Is You move into fast too strong. You got to be friends first. He's a brands. Like never thought about having a does he have male friends female friends. Does he have anything going on aside from his hair. Put on Earth to kill anything else other than fucking and killing and that motorcycle. He seems to be pretty addicted to that motor. So that's just a that's that gets from eighty to be from fucking killing exactly dude and I'm sorry I should. I cut the big twist at the end of the billy scene. Which is you know. He takes her back to her place when he does. Don't don't It's a babysitter. And Her son Martin The babysitter by the way I just looked up is played by Anastazia Nemec. The older sister of Courtney me get Lewis can't lose that's right yeah dude drop zones own. Niemann no idea what you're talking about. Whatever you know fucking Parker. Lewis can't caddy absolute. Do not wait. Wait wait you're telling me you're telling me you've never heard of show. Parker Lewis can't lose. I've heard the title okay. You know what? I don't even know if I've heard that I was Mr Hooper. He can't wait no he doesn't lose. His neighborhood saves the day. Yeah he does anyways no but he find out she has a kid and both like all. Haw Dom laughed at a lot. I couth commercial cave the credit Jewish. Let's see what's GonNa Happen next stock? That one happened to be on nephew. What at you are you like Harvard. This can or wash. Says she wants up You Know He. He comes home to Alison analysis like well. That's the end of that chapter law but else's basically advising like cut. Her loose definitely is the move. I'm sorry allergies and gentleman. Single mothers need Lovin into No. It's not anything to do with that dude. Of course they do. It is the fact that this is Sir William Campbell. We are talking about and you should be leaving this dude alone with kids mad because there's fucking firecrackers there's there's stoves there's lighters can go in light sockets about Al and we mean meaning Martin. Just play drink with under the think. Let's play bar log log. Have you ever tried? Swallow glass this kid. Kicking my ass and glass swallowing. Ah No I chewed mine. What are you could be responsible adult? I'll show you are all married. Lady try he does He goes back to dinner with her. Which again like I mean like. I do think it's kind of on her like to have. This is incredibly awkward. Fucking cavities as. It's her him do and Martin Little Kid and let the kids given billy a bunch of S. I think you'd Billy beforehand is like all you know I. I'll tell about comic book collection. I can tell him I've to Thakur I am so he tries these lines as while. Martin art like Thakur will no fucking hate soccer. Billy thank you for nothing like well. What about Kabakov? The the the silver pretty sharp and he's like guys awards which actually Bhai Blood. Boil a little church. Surfer have a Weiner that grows. We've talked about fantastic. Four episodes and elsewhere extensively bumps grow man. Now now Steve. You are silver surfer AFICIONADO. Assure YOU JEALOUS OF BILLY. Having supposedly every single issue from number one and on well. Where's he store in this shit? That's great allison's closet or thrown sold it. Well that's how I think he's getting at silver surfer number one. By the way that's a fucking Malachi throne. Gift tried to lure him to come work at the furniture store one summer. Yeah which by the way is what he should be doing here. Once we give them to this pot and Steve will carry on with it. But like billy needs money to help this woman repair her car. And it's like if you really want to take care of this woman enter child fucking not up work at the fucking furniture store and you know just that's now and it's very interesting because that is the thing that Don understands much more responsibly. Than Billy does even though billy still has this cab driving job. I feel like it could go at any second. He's getting paid in fucking open MIC tickets. Andrew it's not going anywhere exactly but it's like you know he is that. Who's like I'M GONNA hide under a pilot coats and eventually it'll be a writer she's like I want to be a standup? And that's like a night thing. But I gotta keep the bills on. I gotTA keep Little Mardi Fed or Martin this kid here you know like she understands all that should. He's like well thumb day. I will be hunter. Earth trump so martin is just like really giving them SAS. Dawn is being come on Martin. You said You'd be nice or whatever we may. He's you've made a deal. No guys dinners but I asked you about. Didn't I ask You Jack Nicholson routine? It's Kinda great and I love Bill League cutting in whenever he can do fucking dampen the deuce chill a little bit like they are screaming about shit and he goes like in the middle of Tho- dawn. What were you thinking about a third end up at attorney comes to pass that? She does step told her that she can't go to because her cars all fucked up see the I seen You know so. That's the end of that church. Like maybe not he does have this. I don't know what it's date one this kid. This guy cannot be alone in a room with your kid in the bedroom no matter what he says right like you know this guy from anybody. It's deeply weird. It is like if this happened in the in the living room where she went to the bathroom shore. It's like I'm GonNa Tuck Little Bart Dude. It is too much you have to go on like at least three or four dates with this guy before you you bring him home to the kid at all really yet parts. The first part was a total fucking accident. Like when I yeah like that's my friend. You know whatever this dinner thing which I believe is less than twenty four hours labs stretch and then an even huger stretch on top of all of this is like I don't know she's off crying about the fight or taking a shed or something and he fucking he just walks into this kid's bedrooms dude. If I'm this little kid I'm GonNa Start Screaming like get Outta my room offer. You like the Terminator I guess I kind of like what I've been on. What date with your mother? I'm kind of like the secret terminator of Your Life. At least he's not talking about Terminator One. Due to Terry specifically the plot of t to judgment I was scared what he was talking about. I'm the top of that. Also kill you. I was waiting for some mom. Mom Ohio Martin. How about the fifth ring? Any bells for your Bart and watching the threat M- Connor. Well that's right Martin. I've been killing. Every dodd bonds. That I confide Bob. Happen the laugh on the phone book. He does mention that. Oh you're a terminator freak as well which I thought. It's funny that Terminator Freak Line Yes. He's not wrong though. This kid likes the Terminator. And he's a little freak and he's basically like you know the Terminator Martin and again. This is all bedside. Chaz is very weird. It's like the Terminator just looked out for that. That that family the mother and son and he just made sure that they knew that they loved each other. And he he. He protected them all the way through. It is yeah but he left in the end of not. Well I'm going to do. I've been on a half a date with your mother. Be Your new secret protector art. I do also appreciate this. This show recognizes that t two is a children's film and it made my upbringing Seymour. Normal other kids watch it but dude he does the fucking fatal mistake that all of these quick fix people try to do and he's instantly making promises you ask him. I'm not going anywhere buddy I promise. Oh Jesus left and I'm like the Terminator if I show up at here naked eye danger. Closer Boyfriend's GONNA put a cigar out on my billy takes his fucking flesh office. How how at the regular skeleton? That's right dawn. That's how much I love you. I'm going to rip the flesh off my own body like the Terminator on. So then he goes home with well. Thought out the problem with our car. Let me just scale the elephant out of the money? It is do. This is so reprehensible what he does. They're just fucking ridiculous sitting around her him and Allison is always. She's like you know how's it going? Is it got all up? Poke right three hundred he he just take. I have money problems that a and here I in this spot and here. I am only five hundred and ninety two dollars in the bank. But how do you never tell Billy Campbell? How much money you got the old checking account. Joe. You won't be completely destitute. Because he's like. This is the thing you know. The by by flaying need the money. He's like of all you know today. I got this crazy story that I got it a car accident today. The CAB stride. I won't be able to make buddy unless I give them three hundred dollars and also in the car accident. I heard a woman who needs somebody really bad. It's like this say stories like like I have to. She also says you're behind on not rent but like household stuff. So there's she he probably owes her like ninety bucks or something anyway or fifty sixty bucks again. This is nineteen ninety two. I did the math this is. It's three hundred bucks. Then it's a five hundred and fifty bucks now. That's a ton of money to borrow from a friend. I that is real money. I mean he's also I mean he's not putting in for like toilet paper and you just know. He's turning himself into a toilet paper mummy. When he's bored baby would be well when he talks to allergies like swear. I donate it. I scoop shit out. You reminded me of camping. Only billy does I would love There's a cold open of a Seinfeld episode like later in the series where it's just like what Kramer does all day when Jerry's gone like in the apartment it's like it's like Kramer like changing the furniture around like riding a bike in the apartment is like pretending to do stand up like Jerry like legit. I would love the like. Oh Alatha the way it work. I well I have the place to myself and yeah it's like toilet paper. Mummy he tries and fails to cook eggs. He does the resume business slide but at the end. I'm GONNA put her other on by faith at all I it's quite exactly. I'm Sutin webs jerking off. Yeah Yep thank you for making sure we all understood. He's also using toilet paper for that. Imagine borrowing like. We're all all hanging out and really really close back at our early twenties. I would never think to ask to borrow five hundred dollars from any of you. We're not as close now. I like that you mentioned for sure definitely borrow money certainly drifted apart now. We don't even look. We were as close as billion Alison Burgeoning Romance Etcetera Etcetera. I've hundreds and a lot of money lots of money when you have nothing going on Now anyway so like she's like well I guess I will. Bar is three hundred bucks. Is Your leads them. Three hundred bucks all awesome. I've got to go to my girlfriend's house. And he goes to her and again. Like if you're this woman you cannot take this money notre up king you have to be like no I got set boundaries here like even if it sounds good at the time like you could see how strong this dude is coming on you to be like. I don't need to be into this guy for three hundred bucks at all the way he fucking jams himself into her life. You know what it reminded me of exactly is in the first look. Who's talking movie? This is exactly what John Travolta Kirstie Ali's character like she is constantly like yeah. I don't know man and then it's like him just showed up like how's it should be noted this dude also at cabdriver thought stocks are in that movie he absolutely fucking does dude probably stay tuned. Oh no doubt about it. Yeah On the main feed. Recall that Which is this anyway So she she does reluctantly. Take this three hundred bucks. And she's like but I even if I took the money who's GonNa who's GonNa Watch Martin for the of the. I don't know how long we could do all the good stuff. He could take a bath that I could blow dry hair right there and you know. It'll be allison when I was a little boy. I love taking a tub. I dry my hair at the same time. It got wet the top because they hate when my hair guy web but also watching TV while in the bathtub as much fun for a little. Boy Noah either do Gotta. Strap Horth Brad all around your head off to a bunch of electrons the job that the rag O don. I have bad news earlier tonight. We were hanging out me a Martin and I went to the bathroom for a minute and I came. Martin had watched a tape. I left the long story short. Hope you're stand up Gig with good your child seven days to live by who we can always make toasts in the tub together. Are the horses? Okay about the horses. I of ruined you both personally and professionally by go to the beach. The beach by the way on our patriotic feed there is an episode full length. Two hours in ten minutes on the ring available now. God Damn Right So she you know she winds up going. Billy is watching skin. Meanwhile Jacob Sandy have this thing. I don't know how many times I need the same. Look we've done this before right on this show where it's like. I don't know Jake. I think we've tried and failed at love. Will what retried one more time. And it's like okay. I guess so. He goes to her bar and he's like listen Michael to shooters high. He goes to shooters by the way. This is such a fucking filler plot. It is no doubt about it. Do you should add more funk in scenes of them at Magic Mountain or titus with the fucking Alison at work storyline. Or something else. Exactly what maybe ron has up going up. Maybe Matt could go on a date with a man ninety television tape. Chris was doing the music. That was playing shooters. It's actually doing a cover of the classic hits Scatman. I knew I recognized from somewhere. Up In s But Yeah No. It's I do feel like you're there was a big board of like all the Melrose plotlines that could happen. Matt being on a date with a man kept getting pushed down the the line. Like what if Jason Allison Sandia Sandia? Jake tried it one more time before that happened. So he he goes up to her and he's a K. Michael told me about this brand new thing about men and women being friends first and she's not what y'all but yeah it's just like. Oh you know what we were friends first. We tried to keep everything platonic added. No Jake it's just like Jay Okay she's gotTa do haircut this week. They are trying to keep this character on the show as best they can try. And IT KINDA SUCKS. Because you know we got to see amy low. Cain do really well in that Sandy episode. A couple of weeks ago where she's in the movie and all of that. It's like now it's just back to this. I do appreciate the other is a line. That's kind of funny from her. Because he's like I think it's the scene starts like mid conversation with them so you don't hear what he says but it's clearly like do you. WanNa get a bite or something like that and he. She's like ooh Jake Shot. I don't you WanNa get a burger here at shooters after. I'm done working y'all but I've been working. He's like no no no like like like a real restaurant shooters Italian restaurants. You know the fancy kind. Oh man they do it at Talion restaurant. They feed him in the alley like those dogs. That is that Jacob take a little date like fucking trap phillies playing the accordion in the background. They both agreed to let you know fucking we're going to be friends and Jake has the line. What's that old saying? Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder ice tried to tattoo. Mike Pence's chest. Yeah which I mean. Just weird 'cause they become this realization. Let's just be friends? It's you're that goes. That's what they've been doing wrong. I don't understand why I think development is the development. Steve is that they actually finally try it out. Yeah I think so. Much of what you're talking about has just been them like in passing like we fucked that one time and it didn't work out you know that we've fucked that one time. I mean but like now this is like desperately putting their money where their mouth is. I guess I feel like part of it is. Jake doesn't even believe what he's put out here. It's just another. He's going to try to get laid also just wants to. He needs to be with somebody that has as many as td's he does. It just makes it easier honestly. Don't Awkward Phone Call Them. Oh Yeah I still got it the you still got it. Got It okay. Talk to Y'all later. Of course we're bound by this forever. So they do go on. I mean it's a bullshit story lines the they do go on their stupid date They they come back like. Wow that move is stunned but we made fun of it. We had a lot of fun. Did WITH JAKE ANYTHING. Yes we did. I wonder what movie could have been a good question. I should've looked it up. I would have been out when this this episode aired. I'm pulling up letterbox cabins going to be on that. So but they while he's doing that they're just like they're kind of fooling around the they're talking in the vestibule their melrose place and they give each other a big hug and they wind up making out going into his his his apartment. And then they're Kinda fucking on. The couch isn't steamship. By the way it was pretty hot and heavy duty and like honestly I was like. Oh yeah now. I remember why I was watching this place. That's the melrose place should be like. I wouldn't bucket each other. Should have been the fucking as story number another. We don't see. Billy getting down with the stand up comedian but the billy story is compelling in his own idiocy playing. Yeah that's actually true. But but she blows up at him. It's just can't believe I got tricked having sex with you again this a like. You just started doing this. It's not like you went all the way you stopped yourself. And like before. They're talking like cocaine addicts. They're like we didn't have to do it again. It's amazing it's incredible right. We don't know we could go upstairs and we could touch each other and won't be sexual won't be sexual. You're absolutely right Chris. Because like the whole thing is they went on a nice normal day and they liked it a lot and they get back to Mel rose place and then there's the the urge to faulk. They succumb to it but they still had a nice time together exactly. It's not like they're on compatible. Is that what he I think? The problem child isn't with us but it's with melrose player. Scott the evil in Malachi throne is in the pool and he could cast spells whenever he likes. Ooh That Evil Demon man is always grabbing my toes. While I'm swimming y'all city we can't have sex in my place again. It's the the the the walls saying Red Robin. Yeah Child He he pinches my toes all the time. That's how I keep them at bay. He's a Fook Why don't you just go get me a beer from the fridge? Oh no actually. I forgot Zulus in that bridge sued. Thanks for cooking breakfast. Oh you didn't cook ex just exploded on the counter still pretty good. But to Eric's point it's like yeah. They had a really nice day. They got to like I and a half base at most. And she's like I can't believe we went on a date and made out afterwards. Laugh is terrible. They should teach each other. You're both stupid. It works now. They should do. Just have a fucker. Thon and after a while they'll they'll succumb to watching television or something and not be as you know I think they are potentially a good match. They just have to fuck it out for a while. That's exactly right dude. Because event you're totally right like they're going to be getting down one time like are about to get down and then Jake's GonNa be like. Oh excuse me. I have to use the restroom. I when he comes back she's got fucking Letterman on. Exactly you know Star Trek six is on. Tv They will. It would work out if they give a chance for fucking out. This is an underrated star. Trek. Movie Jaw. Oh Jacob bed sit down and watch undiscovered country with me out. Because I'll tell you what it is unappreciated in. It's time but ooh child. People are going to respect it so that aliens nuts was on his nieve. So do you guys want to hear what he could possibly seeing? Yeah okay so first and foremost a former episode pet cemetery to maybe that fat kid. Hey dead so many dead cats in Bob Roberts. The ooh that one looks a little too political for me child. The twin peaks fire walk with me. Oh I was just lost. Should I have seen that? Tv show someone was telling me it was a prequel or something. Every pick chassis of that girls day here. I just what the Hell was David Bowie doing in that movie? I've used Sandy. I'm confused. Nbc. Wasn't even sexy in it and the out liar would be a honeymoon in. Vegas I think any of those are contenders for these honeymoon. In Vegas sounds like the plot for them to go to. I guess that's true that that idiot's would want to see a movie. They'd see an idiot movie. That movie's irresistible in. Its own in. Its own time. It was posed was a winning film. They wind up So that's kind of their thing. We'll leave that alone. Billy is taken this kid out. He brings this kid and get he. He comes back. Allison is just giving them three hundred bucks half of her entire fucking savings and he's like health and what are you. Watch the kid with battle. Be Fun and Jude. This was so frustrating to be. Because you could tell. She's got like her perfect Saturday plan because she's like sit at home. She's painting her toenails like clearly. There's there's something going on like she's going to do something with the day and then it's like now you're watching occurred with ball. The Magic Mountain is a okay. I guess so I ask really quickly. What the Hell is magic make? You is about to ask. Believe a six flags. Yeah look right now because when I go to Magic Mountain I was pretty sure. Is this the same rollercoaster from the intro video and step by step it very well might be? Because I couldn't tell you but you know like Magic Mountain House. Like what is that a Disney ride? I know context of what this could have been but this is a roller coast way. So is is it the mountain from Encino Man. Yes the IT also an instrument. I'm pulling up a list. It's been featured on the credits to step by step s Ncis entourage the bionic woman. The eighteen chips one night. We do this. What do we do this? But for entourage for the next virus Achil- mice. Yeah that's when we all go away knowing that the next virus will be the last one. We'll do we'll do the first. Three episodes of entourage and South Quest. So they're they're having fun at Magic Mountain Alison built to talk and Allison's just like you know billy and like this is a really personal thing. She brings up. I just don't think I want kids like what are you fucking stupid. It's something I'm kind of working through right now and I would appreciate support dog. That's pretty bureau. Robert Janata the greatest bonds. Which is like hey man just because I fucking can do it. Physically doesn't mean I fucking WanNa do that. She's like you know I'm very career oriented. That's my only path that I think about. That's my own thing when I think about having kids like frankly I wanNA fuck and throw up. Billy also the same same reaction. I get whenever you walk into the room. Interestingly enough there is a 'cause I remember this. I I don't know if it's the first or second season they revealed but I do think it's interesting. They keep setting up this like bad relationship with allison and her parents which comes to roosted a big bad way in one of these episodes in dramatically which is actually pretty good on this show. I don't remember where this that falls. Yes Yeah the the show knows it already. I think we're I'm saying yeah. It's a tally Italian. Just like they know that eventually billionaires sexual intercourse I mean they make the date they make a reservation to fuck at the end of this episode to bed for two so go back to melrose place and now this kid. I'm also if I'm if I'm this woman it's like. Hey could you just like watch my kid in my house like don't go to all over the place? Don't bring them to your CD fucking apartment building. it's a tough call man. 'cause yeah like share. I don't want you fucking Taken my kid weird places but also like. I don't want you rooting through my own things. Well yeah that's a good point because I feel like this woman knows like I can trust this guy with my kid like he's not GonNa kill him or anything but I don't trust him to not look through my mail yeah or underwear or whatever he definitely would be absolutely also missed opportunity for this episode because they kind of start setting it up and I was like. Oh here we go and it does not happen is when they're having that talk when billionaires having that talked about how she doesn't want kids Little Martin has gone over to this little like merchandise stand. And he's looking at a hat or something like that and Allison says something because like Martin runs ahead of them. And she's like. Billy you know you. GotTa keep your eye on kids. They can disappear. I thought this was going to turn into a this kid's lost at the fucking amusement park episode. Got a crazy heart. Seen exactly right dude that minus minus the crippling alcoholism better episode. It would have been more interesting to see billy and these characters in that environment also. He is a great way for him to learn like having. A kid isn't always like fun. Shitty stuff happens all right. I'll wrapped up at academy doctrine didn't see this coming while. Here's my whole week and So she you know analysis just remarking with all the other ladies that have good with the Kid Yada Yada and this is again more setting up. They're gonNA fuck eventually Don shows up. Oh thank you so much. Bill by the way billy thank you so much for that three hundred dollars you just gave me because i. It's just like ice cold. Like really don leaves and she blows up a billy rightfully so alpha. And he's doing that same billy shit. Where is not really apologizing? He's just like well come on L. I DuNno. I needed the body. His fucking is fucking like tone all the time when they get into these fights is his. He's basically saying without saying you knew what you were getting in exactly. That's his way of apologizing like welfare. You fucking knew. What would you have thought that for? Its drew I can never trust you again. Which is true because I mean it's not like it's one thing if he was like ellipticals like why just three dollars that I can tell you. Why W. One thing but she he makes this whole fucking story. You didn't even look. It's a big lie. It's that a small light too big fucking lie and it's a huge light and it's also like the Ninth Time Courtney. Thorne Smith has had to say in in her acting job to Andrew's shoes character. You lied to me like my God. The amount of fucking second chances. This do sheets with her. I mean she should have known it from the time he asked for hundred for a medical bill and he bought like a life-size Barney while the third roommate. Al I'll come up. You knew I was GONNA go there. I get funny is GonNa get the fuck out of my face. You're going to be smiling. Alpha dog chocolate. It's GonNa Die. You give you give me money. Wave them auto. If I- chocolate is horrible allergy. So that's your alison him or on the outs billy goes the next day that goes through dawn and the kid he over hears her husband arguing with her through the door. Rep Forgets in. It's great it's like you always us buddy time of comedy. You're not even funny. Which is a great man. This dude Bob you know your opinion of Bob or not. Billy should not be fucking breaking this door down. That's the thing he he he as a excuse me talking to by lady and he's like who the fuck disasters like this is my boyfriend. Billy Hi I'm an adult man named Billy also. Who leaves the door unlocked? It's fucking Los Angeles on the. I guess you know maybe in the heat of the moment with the argument probably started right when he got to the door. I mean this guy would be In his rights to punch him in the jaw well he shoves he's like a while So the key Martin. Watches you to talk about. This is this is this is this is the line my kid get to watch when you guys are doing it now. Here's the things are. What the fuck do you know about your ex that has made you take that leap all of a sudden jude before indicating in front of your child. This made it to air. This is not a bit. He literally asked if his kid watches. The fuck you should have a thing where it's like. Oh what is your knee asking you for money or like something like that but not is our child watching you. Oh Yeah Oh yeah. Did you make a blotch as you make watch guy made all my cousins watch when we did it? Is that what you're doing? They're the exact line I wrote it down as does Mardi get to watch when you to do it. Yeah and Billy shoves him pretty fucking hard which I mean I guess the ideas they need to make this guy so reprehensible that it's somewhat warrants any physical violence on billy's part even though it doesn't and this kid sees his dad gets shoved by this little horse person at Address Shoe GonNa stick with this kid for the rest of his life for that time. I saw my mom's shitty boyfriend shove my. Oh yeah you just locked up a very healthy relationship with the mother there And that's the thing too is like you know. We don't know why it was that dawn and rob decided to part ways. You know what I mean like. It could have been just as much dawn's fault but like the point is like the kid doesn't understand it and like his is like the dad isn't there and it sorta seems like he's kind of blaming the mom for it. I got it. It's like that Seinfeld. What I saw your act. So that's why they break up average ended. I just can't be with somebody. I don't respect man really. We're GONNA get off thing is like billy's been worked into the act which is kinda funny but yeah it's something else. So she she throws a match. You feel like a big man billy Blah Blah Blah like Martin showed and. She's a gay. I've known you for like three days. You're coming on way too. Strong Shelvin Fuck ex-husband for no reason. And she gives them three hundred bucks look. He gave me this money for child support. I guess by kid won't eat. But here's the money back And it's insane too because you know while it seems like to billy you know. He's doing her this huge favor with the three hundred boxing. Whatever regardless of where he got it he's also putting her supremely shitty situation because I'm sure she doesn't really want to accept this money but at the same time. Has this drive to WanNa to be a standup and you know. This is a big. It's a paying gig that could turn into a recurring GIG at this club. So like she's in such an ass place right now where it's like. Okay this creep. Who's really pushing his way through. The door into my life is offering to help me out for this thing where it may boost my career like so it's like doubly Shitty of this guy. Do this heard it is and it's also like there's there's nowhere for this to go but down you know what I mean like. Maybe she doesn't take this GIG and then in a couple of weeks gets a better get. It's all fine So whatever Billy feels really deflated. He gives allison the money back cool. Still can't ever trust. You WanNA cover the park. Know what it was you know what it was. The elephant stop it. Got The walk along. So I'm sorry I just have to do this. Dot The work. Dang Madam not even speaking English anymore belly I I barely got some that fucking Zombie juice in my eyes. He does see her. Act One last time. This is when she's doing this like all these guys. WanNa be hero said Your Life. I got an idea for a superhero commitment man and hopefully. Oh yes and she does. She puts on the spot. Like Oh these dudes they wanna like rescue you from your life or whatever like acting like you're you don't have that ability of your own. It's of it's kind of good that that message comes across in this episode released Azure. It's it's Fucking Hilarious. Though to just watch billy realize that. This woman has like overnight. Worked him into Herat. Oh totally it's fucking gravy during the impression of like you're have some guys come all the way I'm a car. Get me seven hundred dollars and I think he'd sound like this. Oh but it's Kinda great because you can watch the fucking smile like fall from his face. 'cause it starts with like whatever bitch she's finishing is not that he's like all the great she so hilarious and then it gets right into like you ever have a guy who liked drives a cab for living in his way into your life. We don't want them and can just see all so they finally have it out at the bar and he's just like what I want. I really try to look twenty three and you don't know shit about shit. Also I've got this career. I got a kid this room for you in my life. All aw own long rewind. Just let you could see the exact moment is. Hartford so grey finish the Jacob Sandy thing. Oh wait sorry no hang on fucking worst line. Ever did what. He's like he's like. Are you GONNA leave? Do me the courtesy of let me let me think Martin and Fussell's like yeah. I don't think that's such a great idea. He's like all right. Tell Telhami author Louisa Baby Hill unders. And she's like yeah dude from the fucking terminator took him. Oh you be the biggest catchphrase of the moment. I think I know what that means. He'll understand. Oh it's so great yippie mother fucker. You'll be cool like Martin so dumb that he the little kids it's like. What are you saying that billy got melted on Univer Curtian? Okay do me one one thing. Just take out the part of the commitment mound sounding like a toothless donkey as Jacob Sandy Sandy goes to Jane Alma Mater Closet. Doors stuck y'all she's like. Oh that sucks. Michael is doing open heart surgery so he actually get to that right now. Why is there no real super this building? I HAVE NO IDEA. I guess bothered Jake but yes with like. She goes an strict. Come fix the door and this is honestly one of the hardest laughs. I've ever had on melrose place is like he's like. Oh you got something wrong with your fucking hinge here like whenever it is. He throws a fucking category ten hissy fit. I didn't know he was capable of can't find his canal and ranch whatever is and he's like Oh my tools and he's so mad and then he drives the like jam this door to fix it or whatever happens and I don't know what the direction was for this but heath this actor throws himself across the bedroom. He's like knocking offer dresser it is a huge pratfall. Yeah it's like we're in a French. Comedy was going Dude fucked this fall down the stairs understand what was supposed to be happening. Here there's no way that was an appropriate reaction and she's a our Jake y'all right. I guess we should be friends after by the way she's like. I got this huge date. I've gotTA wear sexy clothes. And he's like. Oh Yeah you're Sorry we'll be able to get your closet for your sexy date. She's like well actually. I'm just going to the movies with Rhonda and I'm like you went to the movies twice. A We said the I wish I were you. I remember be used Ed. So that's kind of that thing and like you had last seen is alison. Billy just. She's forgiven him. Billy just like sitting on the couch doing headlines to hear about this here about all the tower pizza a fall over a twenty twenty two hundred. Saad al and that doesn't think so it's Kinda great though because it's like again this dude just lives on fuck and fantasy island men. Because he's like he's like. Oh Yeah never seen the leaning Tower of Pisa where Italy. I've never been there You know what I should do. Alison I should really travel more like. Are You fucking kidding me dude? You still owe her fucking toilet paper money or whatever it is travel more you fucking asshole get a run out on that bill and then just stay the well if I if I can't wait I'm gonNA. Eventually he will take his final form. Which is a talented Mister Ripley? But a simpleton tell division say yes like. Ripley's like a a another dumb ass life. So it's just it's just a zero sum game by the way that's a fucking great movie if it was like a talented. Mister Ripley type thing but in the Tom Ripley role was Larry the cable. Hey Cool I stole your identity on this boat. He back out primacy shook OTC prescription. In your name Cou Cou. I'm Kinda kissing guys mercer. Is that episode? It's just sort of. She ends the episode with like. Well I gotTa make the booking. Yeah there's the Gulf Fuck you one day buddy Kasese like she like hints that. She's turned the corner about like maybe not turned the corner but sp lightly maybe thinking about changing her mind about having a kid and he's like he's like all really think about having kids now with hope with O- With who you're GonNa have a kid without then who who is she's like you're never know closes the doors low made major fuck is when she lands that last. I I I'm going just start taking one of I want to take a third of the birth control. I'm supposed to take it. We'll just see what happens. Call that Russian Roulette. So that's that the episode there. We'll do our our standard parting shots and stuff. He didn't catch the episode end or like. Are you excited to continue on with this by the way we've got ourselves a three day weekend gang? That's exciting right man. Finally just you know what everybody's going to go out and barbecue gone some boats Ono. Wait wait I'm getting. I'm using a it's going to be just like every other day got okay. Oh well yes and just like every other day. There'll be a new nine. Oh two one episode for you. That's true So Eric Everything Partying excitement. Not Real. I was actually I really God. Damn I kind of enjoyed this episode because I like seeing. Billy be a complete piece of shit beating him and it's fun to watch. I'm very excited to keep going on this endeavor. I hope the lockdown ends one day but until it still it does. We're here. Christopher cabin remains complete torture But I'm pain pig. So let's go do it Andrew. Yeah I'm actually quite excited to continue this in the next week because you guys remember a couple of weeks ago. Just how lovely nine? Oh Two one oh God it with race relations in that basketball episode. Yeah stay tuned. Oh and I will say we have ourselves another billy centric episode the Thuc Tune. I don't know if we'll be able to make it. Oh my God I just went to that fucking burned episode page. Imdb the Holy Shit. I'm excited okay. So Ellie makes racist comments. You don't spoil it. It's GonNa be good to that but I obviously on Monday. We got ourselves melrose place. I do ask that you check out the Patriot. That is how we are able to do. All of our free stuff for you guys which we love So if you're interested in more content you've got stuff on the next. We just did some Some to great dads Centric Star. Trek episodes are coming your way. We got the jetsons. Animation Damnation Glebe glossary on some the Maurienne pig guards as Eric already mentioned. We've got a full length episode on the ring and also for you sleaze heads out there. We are touring Scummy Los Angeles yet again. A movie called Don's plum which almost kill Leonardo DiCaprio and Tobey Maguire careers. This might be a three hour episodes It's there's a lot to talk about re hours or twenty minutes. I can't tell I have honestly I don't know man having seen the movie already. I'm GonNa Lean towards twenty minutes same. Check that out and would appreciate it if you did anyways. We got more free stuff coming for you on Monday. We're going back to Beverly Hills nine. Oh two one. Oh we're really excited. That'll drop on Memorial Day. So would you're frying sad hotdog at your backyard. You can listen and I feel like every hot. I'm fried in my life has been a sound so until next week. I Have Been Stephen Sadek Andrew dupin Eric Cisco Chris Gavin. Take it easy and remain indoors podcast.
Episode 133: Diving Into WGA vs. ATA
"His grab cast <music> comeback last week. It did not go well not having me on as a side Keke need someone to balance out the desk everyone well. If you'RE GONNA make noises you might as well be on screen. I'm sorry I coughed the middle of a we monologue and then we're supposed to boost all right. Everybody go back to last week beginning hopeless on fire here the our background. This week is a culmination of April showers as you can see the raindrops Vat didn't fact bring may flowers yeah. Maybe this is from our our little wastes in the backyard cherry blossom tree time bloomed we do we do have some sad a sad note off the top. We've got to pay respects to to John Singleton. He passed away over the weekend. I don't talk a lot about my influences as a creator that mainly because I feel I can't take pride in the fact that my influences come subconsciously obviously derived take a little something from everything and it all kind of ends up in the in the melting pot and I don't really consciously take from from anything okay. That's how I pride myself on my influences so since he's passed you've gone over the list of the movies that he's made. Well has influenced you now that you actually there's there's a ton of stuff he's made but boys in the hood is probably one of the first handful movies that I really remember as a kid connecting with as a as I liked this movie then like an storyteller cents higher learning chronic justice so still fall we we've been it's on it's been on the list forever ever dear but he's one of the executive producers of snowfall. He's directed a few episodes written some episodes. I think we owe it to ourselves as a tribute to John Singleton tonight to give snowfall that a chance are you with me. Are you with me now so you have to tell me about the show well so full. It's ineffectual. It's all you need to know. Affects makes great show great shows right. Here's my okay. He wants to start a new show. I have a rule when it comes to the cable shows. If you have sex within the first half of your first show we'll be thrown his out. No if that's what you need in order to get your audience game of thrones yet don't get me. That's too much of a requirement on the actress instead instead of the actual plot if you remember story because it is never necessary to corner off the screen if you're very ready for Emily's corner sorry everyone. If you remember way back to when <hes> higher we had on the show that's watching learning is in ten if you go back to when we have Rabelo on the show we talked about snowfall and he raved about it. It's one of the best shows out there right now. mazing show okay gotTA watch it. I think I think now's the time dear is a tribute to John Singleton anybody out there watching snowfall right now or should I also backs it up. He's watching. I guarantee you greg watching snowfall. Oh now you're guaranteeing for Greg Greg while I can vouch feel like you're playing poker at a table with them. Now bearing down if I reread you can you can stall as much as you want but we're GonNa talk about the next topic because it didn't fact happen this tweak. Andrea had a birthday. She's won. She's one year older. How old are you know dear? I'm one year more than I was a couple of days ago a re- refunding across twenty five this year the the have we you will cross twenty five. I will leave it allow us to cross over the twenty seven mark employees holy cow that that will stick with twenty eight. Doesn't I sell at age. I think that's an age that covers a lot because who the hell knows what they are at twenty eight. What kind of happy with what you are currently exciting birther stuff to do this weekend? What did we do this weekend? We went and I went to Magic Mountain six flags magic mountain with Sam. My friends say an hour dude okay so so we got done working Friday and then we will see snowfall to start back up. I told you Greg Vox and still fall really great great. Show Great Watches Great T._v.. Came over that all right I will. I'll give it a shot but did they have sex within. The first half of the first of the pilot episode like is it. Here's some boobs and here's a whole lot of flesh. If it's if you require your actors it's in order for you to get your audience you. You have a good enough show to begin with. Let's let's remember and pay tribute to how F._X.. Got On the T._v.. Map Mitt talk dear extremism so what you get when you watch owned by the same people who own Fox affects fives then why is it affects the not Fox walks is already. It's on cable channel. Oh Craig's fitness with a no no sex if you're not the sector note of the Fox moving on Andrea sexually does hokey nearly ban certain kind of audience in early which says what kind of show it's going to be <hes> up next year. That's with their don't for affects does drama. It's probably not their slogan for anyway. Birthday weekend again went to Magic Mountain was Sam row to rides route three rise three road the X. Two and we are the Latte you're or at the very end of it so that's one that at least you on your back and then you can flip around up and back and while it does it's roller coaster things so we were at the very end which means that when it flipped us we didn't have to see other people's shoes. We actually got to see the entire horizon at at night while all the lights are going up yet. It was beautiful and then we went and we dated to Juvie on what the V._R.. Had several coaster no no there was only trying to go to right away that was right when you walk in a big one in this is sorry guys we're already closed and we're like at seven forty five. Whatever dude you're our fifty I know and went on some rights but we the last week when Nice Krizia which is like the Galleon that goes like this except it had a circle that everyone sat in it spun you around anywhere like this and then it will go like that but it wouldn't go all the way around breaking news? It's doing Hans Birthday. Have you right they deal in a birthday. Thanks we had an earth day watching snowfall. Welcome Fellow Torres. How're you doing? Did you get everything you wanted off. Films per watching snowfall to everybody watches snowfall everybody but seriously though it is easing back we're but we're like two three seasons behind now so we've got plenty of room to cut up binge right yeah move on move it so any highlights from your birthday any parting words of wisdom that you've gained gained with an extra year of experience <hes>. I'm very grateful for the friends that I have Sam took me magic mountain our friend Julie brought me pizza and cake birthday that watching Julia some thank Yous we wound up working on my birthday so that was oh you don't have any presence or are. You didn't get everything you wanted. Oh he's not watching yeah. Thank you Chevanton. I appreciate that hey and she hurt here. Here's something we can start getting better with broadcast. Show whichever platform guys are watching from right now. Go ahead and give a like a little subscribe subscribe to the show we need. We need to start pushing that deer. We'll business people already are that's how they know. It's now for the ones that don't because tonight's a special day as as the millennials say Smash Subscribe Button Get a smash it man you sound old go ahead and go and trump the unsubscribe on all under the bus <hes> the bills drafted this week we <hes> ans- thrown around <hes> gift cards and lottery tickets yeah. Are they scratchers. Those are the most fun I went on those Jingo ones encourage senseless gambling here is if you don't Nice if you don't have any if you can't put any brainpower into the outcome of the gambling is not encouraged by Greg cast as if anything like poker were you have no control the yard which you have some sort of into the outcome scratch offs whether you wonder lost already decided before you've got the card endearing. I love the Lotto ticket idea. That's awesome. It's randomly. You Need Greg Test only endorses gambling where you have an ability to control the outcome we give it to charities like at the upcoming event somewhat considered gambling effort at a segue dear but you're like six items out of the line on which said way too so moving forward the N._F._l.. Draft just happened this weekend. <hes> I think the bills are stacking some something special here. This is a great example of a topic where we could add a little back and forth here had <hes> we had our old co hosts in the saddle but instead Andrea Graph talkable football here with me unless somebody gives me give and take in in the comments section edgy what you think about the bills draft this week. I heard it on the seven ten A._M.. Station I heard Chris Making noises I was driving so I wasn't paying you that much attention more to the downtown L._A.. Traffic so I think people sounded happy is what I believe as opposed to what I've heard in the past is why they get that guy. That's not the position we need. I didn't hear that very very much on the radio for the past couple of days. Is that correct. Do they get someone they want. The bills draft class is being universally praised from cozy now so it does look like we've added some some more good pieces to the puzzle and I think it's just <hes> continuing to point in the direction of good things ahead for the bills. I think this year is going to be funnier and I think after this year the expectations going to be high for the foreseeable future. Are you expecting them to start off with a bang like they did in the last couple of seasons and then you'll know they bang in a while here <hes> I I expect them to start out cattleman the that's the giants G._M.. He would he do what happened to he's. He's all over the place. He's Rachel and he's he's compete. He's grabbing people. He's competing with the raiders to see who can make them the <hes>. The most head-scratching decisions in short period of time is really what the man's doing here but without a deep dive into the logistics of that. We're just GONNA leave it to Greg's l._l.. As far as an explanation faster back and forth men he's back and forth well I I don't understand what's going on. Tell me the fourth and back he's not getting good draft value deer run. We used to play the Madden League and we'd have our draft every year. These guys are playing high-stakes badly and the man's not getting good draft. Value is really what it comes down is. He trading picks straight away his best players. He's than than making reaches with the picks that he got a train with those best players and it's a he he's trying to get back to even is what's going on Greg's right off team topic. We're GONNA move forward a little bit later. I'm elise corner will be joining us as you saw we've got a little graphic little will spray paint graffiti their families corner and we're GONNA be Talking Adventures and game. We finally we've we've all seen it. It's going to be a spoiler free conversation about <hes> and game and not to see how this is GonNa work discuss it without what else is happening opening. Emily's corner. Oh we're GONNA be talking about the COMECON that she went to for already are too. Yes the game that everyone was so into and then what happened we moved on to the next game. There is no next game though which now that's what we do I'm not huge nerd. We freak out over game for a little bit of time that we move onto the next one back in the shit out of some some CONAN exiles this month. You WanNa talk about a a Hokey hacky game where it's also full of bugs. That gave drives me. Nuts can't wait till the next game comes out. Get me off that <hes> then find the the final general general topic topic of the week is Andrea and I both with went undercover this week on pilots <hes>. Would you call those test audiences. We were test audiences for new shows coming coming on T._v.. SUV maybe be the next year go up by test audience and incoming on T._v. anytime soon you know we'll talk about that. We'll talk. We'll talk a little bit about that every now overtime no reclosing so here's here's closing the general mission topics. This is the general the general topics says her final general topic of the Star of the show so how I propose we talk about this is we simultaneously staying gear with how each of our shows went and and and share each simultaneously give the side by side comparison of each of our experiences with the with these test groups all right. How about you begin okay? I'll be get <hes> mine was on on the four brothers lot and I showed up walk through the gate. Doll they built since I worked in the Warner Brothers Lot. They built this huge tower on there and it's completely different that I walked in lady set me into the cattle call area which was most of it was outside. They had nice emily. You don't think they had the <hes> the holding centre tense that the actress used to go to yet they've got themselves set up outside the courtyard area then they go and give you a sheet in a forum and tell you to go sit down and fill out the fill out before all I'll stop there all right well. Mine is at a building. That's not on lot. Apparently a lot of independent companies go to to this establishment and it's over in Valley village very nice little place skies on private parking lot. Go in there and show your I._D.. They make sure you are who you say you are gave me a little questionnaire to fill out a while rand opinions from from random people that are who they say they are. Well exactly you want an opinion from a certain kind of person because prior to this even be selected you had to tell someone all the following shows you did or did not watch and how often a new oxygen and if you like them and certain stations so they were very specific on what they wanted which had answered the question correctly and if you didn't the person on the other phone who's who gets paid off how many people that get to these shows will coax you in the right direction the answering the questions so when you get there at the actual testing location the questioner they give you is pretty much a repeat of what you had to say that you did or didn't wash before but you have to remember that if you lied you'd better remember you're la because as someone had quite a few people had it Nour's you once you give it back they go and they do whatever check stuff and then they come back out and they give you a little number or they call your name and they have your questionnaire with you and they embarrass you. In front of the entire group which is about forty people at those kind of high school says years that's all it was forty while we might have been closer to sixty two theaters I worth while we were well over a hundred. We probably closer to one hundred fifty fifty in a room with three theaters. Were well congratulations on yours. I didn't know you were competing or what are your six by six by. No big deal. Whatever so on the was the the the form they gave you to fill out was in a scantron form? I don't even know what that means. He'll stick shift to fill out the bubbles. Well I mean there were bubbles but all I ETA do was accidentally made a market. You didn't literally have to do like basic skill number pencil over at the W._b.. Here I the W._b.. It's it's been awhile since I've been in been awhile since 'cause I've been in the scantron game so they hit me with this back in my day. When we just can't tries it was a thin for ahead A._B._C._d.? On there and had all the numbers down there and you scanned it and had the little little guy bars scars on sides he's sticking through the machine gives the readouts right. All the answers are on the scantron they give you the test stapled together on the pages so they give us four pages stapled together that have all the questions on there and then they have multiple choice bubbles and so sure I was in a little bit of a tired state. Let's say when I went. I went there so I wasn't putting a lot of brain power in a given these guys feedback on their shitty little pilot so <hes> <hes> I just four former the instructions say little pilot circle circle circle hands. I should say the instructions look like they say circle. The answers and I saw circle and answers Dow's up for me so I go through fill in the blanks where wanted wanted words and where it was was circles. I circled by answers got up went through now. Did you circle around the whole answer or only unlike the A._B._C._d.. So it was like a an an a circle and a circle so I circled the a an an and and the circle at least you didn't circle the whole answering all follow Chris after so again fresh and back to old BRECCA's here. This is also my nightmare now. We're in a crowded space where there's not a lot of open seating and once you found a place to sit down up and down shit I don't WanNa be stepping over people inconveniencing people having a frigging luke around our own and stand there in front of everybody and refined open spaces. This is my nightmare. That's why you need a purse. So I go and turn safety. I go and turn my answers in yes and for second time now I have to go find a seat in a large crowd and I've got this little section scouted out in the back of the holding ten that that's got open rose for Nada. Go back and sit down there and I'm watching the draft that my phone just hanging out also the hair all over her wander through the hundred and fifty people calling out my name and I can't get out of the real fast enough for him to stop shouting my name across everybody like stop saying my name daughter coming so far we say <hes> pitcher form of people also needs a Satchel. There's people sitting on chairs are all set up on the walkway there on each side and we're standing in between all of them that he's <hes> I need you to fill in the bubbles. It's the scantron form not circle him first of all. I've never seen a scantron. That's actually in the page of the questions. I didn't know we've advanced that far in our scantron technology. It's been awhile snotty goes he goes and sits me back down. I have to go sit back in my seat and now uh all my answers again and fill in the bubbles for the scantron for him. Four pages scantron bubbles ova go back sit down and put it in the basket and go back now my seeds taken ago find a different seat. I'm now house sitting in the front of the Holding Centre Room. I don't like being in front of a bunch of people I don't know behind me. I'm getting all sorts of anxieties here. It definitely sounds like you are so is yours. Guys and girls got guys hangers so now I'm sitting there again themselves again also bad test taker so he comes up and say so he's got another one in his hand blanket so I need you to erase all the circles around the circles or would it be easier for you to fill out another one again so it gives me. No I go sit back down. Talk the whole damn form all over again. I'm the ASSHOLE party. Everyone can't figure out the scantron so now they're ready to call everybody the end and I'm still last man standing filling up by four. I don't have a number of card or anything so what happens here. I'm the last guy gets through the process. It gets stuffed into the guy there's three theaters <hes> female theater Guy Theater her COA theater. I get stuck in a guy theater but I'm the last free can do enter into the Guy Theater and they have just enough seats for every single guy in the Guy Theater so that role I I got. I got scan everybody again my nightmare. Where's the burns? I'm just wondering here so I find it. It's not in the front row because you know it's going to be in the front. Nobody wants to be the front on the front row where you can walk right around and sit right into it. It's gotta be in the middle of the second row so I got climb over punch. Other are assholes and big box of the seeds. You know full guys all movie theater seats. Everybody needs the two elbows view. I've sat next to you on an airplane. You take mine run the Middle Person I in between two dudes and you all take I'm literally there with none so now already freaked out by stupid the you'll think you're supposed to turn it's over the back of the chair down the sides. I'll get up and stand around over everybody asks these guys can be my thing and you're in the all dude room some of the dude room. You know what that means that it was a dude who did that last. He's a jerk off who decides screw everyone else. I'm not doing the one thing they asked to put it right there. So it's nice for the next person okay so how did your transition from filling out the form to getting into the theater go for you. Easy peasy filled out the form handed in couple minutes later they called. My name gave me my number said hey if you want to use the bathroom right now like twenty minutes or so so go ahead and go do that there still still we're waiting on like half. The people show up so I went used the bathroom got some water went and sat down. Got My little bag that you put your phone in so you can't just turn it off and have it in your purse. He actually have to put inside like the secure bag that that Arizona pocket law goes. Oh no we had secure bags. They have this needle. That's like about from here to here. That literally goes into another end that you need lake at lake at the route at the marshalls or T._J.. Maxx that little thing that takes the security thing off you need one of those machines to be able to unlock it so you couldn't even decide halfway and I don't WanNa Watch this. I'm done and just leave because you can't phone. Open can't get out of that. Nothing no bags for us. Don't take the phone out to get your check. You don't get your check is basically the deal yeah so a couple of people get in trouble for. Hey looks like you said in your pre interview that you watch some shows but you don't on here Volvo. Do you want to take another look at your form and see if there's anything different you WANNA put on their and their answers always <hes>. What would you know what specifically I did like? I cannot tell you that but don here is not what it was and if it isn't changed you get to go without being paid so hang hang this do the sounds just like hank. His area gets up in the front of our room explains. They give you these little this little meter. That's hooked up to the seat and basically the morial more you're supposed to twist it with your mood. As you watched the show the more seen dislike it. The more you turn to the left the more you like it in the more you turn to the right and then they've got like a red hot down there car that the the guy is so if you if you want to show at home you push the red button when you change the channel or her or turn the T._v.. Off and Guy Explains the whole thing that lights go out watch Gotcha what are we the first opening shot is a cheesy piece of money flipping through the air and you can hear the clicks of the button so pretty much that everybody main lines this this forty nine show whatever always to the left of just terrible. It's absolutely horrible. It's the type of show they knew they were getting demographic for that wasn't for the show when they collected the demographic of all these dudes. It's not for these guys and <hes> the no no surprise there dear. They got the exact results. They thought they were going to get going in. Nobody nobody liked to show so we didn't we didn't get kept around for the post wrap up but we did have a sweet long line while we were all waiting in line for check where everyone was talking this show and tearing apart the via the terrible logic in the show and how this didn't add out but did make any sense C._G.. Get picked for the group after watching the show nobody to pick anybody from our room. They WanNa talk so this dog arguably the ones they should've spoken to because you had the most comments for them to build off of criticisms in critiques because that is kind of what they're looking for is. How can we improve this before? We actually have to take it to network in be told that they're not gonNA give us any more money. Tabet make the other three or four episodes of this pilot mini series season we want what can we do to fix it. I here's the problem with this show and this is what they didn't WanNa hear for many of us and I would have been the first one to tell them <hes> you can save leave the ten thousand dollars or whatever amount you spent running this whole little test audience. I'll be the person that you didn't have in the room already. This show sucks this idea socks. This is terrible. It's full of cliches. It's cookie cutter. I if it was made ten years ago it would be outdated. This is stupid. Stop wasting money on it. You can come up with something better. You can get five profession. You can still rock and five five five professionals. If you come up with something better than this. It was a vanity project ten times over over and even still it was vanity project about a household name everyone's heard of but nobody really cares about her. As ever followed the worst part about it is this person has lived an extremely unique life and and is one of the bunch of like they didn't demographics the storylines were cheesy. Stereotypes engine generic shakes and the the irony of it is the main character who they are and the vanity project that was formed around them there are tug of life is probably full of unique experiences that are interesting out of the ordinary for everybody else crazy stories that anyone regardless of what your background is would be interested in hearing or seeing those stories so it was just appalling hauling that they made a pilot Vanity Project Rama's person and couldn't take from anything in their life to actually come up with some unique ideas and elements to the story. It was offensive on many levels defensive. Yes how long did it take take it was probably about forty minutes for pilot so what it was like a half hour waiting to get in their forty minutes and then you guys got to leave and you were offended that they paid you to watch something. I'm offended offended that they spent a bunch of money to make that show is somebody that's the that is given life and limb for the opportunity to make something and has some true passionate and care in the final product yeah yeah as a creator. I'm I'm mortally offended blended which is probably exactly why you have to go undercover to these things and they don't want creators in there because they know that somebody that knows what the hell they're talking about. It's GonNa tell them what they don't WanNa hear. Your show sucks that now I think it might be twitched jealousy. You know this is a little bit of hater listener. Somebody like I'm not going in their room for you to fail. I promise you that Nice. So what about your show what what was the. What did you watch which I think you've got the lucky one that was actually somewhat? I got like a kind of procedural crime. Slash drama not quite an N._C._I._S. but not quite an elementary kind of right in between there was okay. I mean I liked the sub characters the lead actor I kinda he was cast because he was good looking and he can't deliver a line for the life of him like it is as bad actor surviving but you know I got. I was part of the group afterwards. Greg Greg didn't like being the fourth test audience for Letterkenny Yeah that one was it was about that dry. That would definitely be a similar way of saying for that actor yes so I got chosen for the test group because I apparently liked everything bus Semaine actor. She got chosen for the test group because I was on the other side of town got out an hour early on my might test screening and was waiting for a ride home so that's why she got. She got picked for the Post. Wrap up but you know I swayed some people into thinking he wasn't that good of an actor after all but great ruin that guy's life whatever dude he better bring it on the next episode so who's who's bringing the hammer now he's again by. They don't want creative in their room home real actual intellectual feedback it was comparing him to the other actors on in the scenes with him. That was all it was obvious to. Everyone and I just said if any other actors in it. He doesn't seem like the lead actor go Hobo L. slightly sore thumb people so it was good. I enjoyed it. It was fun. I like watching new shows before they come out. That's always fun all right dear yes here we are we gonNA talk about the other entertainment industry thing now that's going on. No you're sick way in past everything man you be like a bad time to time travel. That's going too far too far. Ahead is missing your destination yeah so we got a couple of things to pinball here for another stuff. This is the last week for ticket sales on the event deer there okay so be a handful of what we're doing general admission and and V._I._p.. Tickets remaining so there's this event we're doing. We'll get into Lena's and may tenth in Buffalo Technically North Tonawanda at the world ser- events building where there's also the platters chocolate place so if anything anything I mean so the event is not for us it's raising benefits and funds for young audiences of western New York we as graphic as found then and love what they're all about. That's pretty much is we are going to be expanding opening up services looking into more artists in the Buffalo area that we can help because it's Christmas pointed out before when you live in Buffalo. Oh you don't always know about the opportunities that are there in buffalo kind of like Yawny. It's been around since like what sixty seven they've been around six sixties yeah yeah and you didn't know about him. You live to the dams now and you didn't know about it. So are you stepping up and on the next investments segues into well. You can't segue into that because last week he comes through my monologue and this week to try to steal my monologue so I'm giving the groundwork to what is happening right now. Here's the deal IOS the building itself. We have to give them the menu order which means they need to know. How many people are going to becoming loading Tina reality of event tickets that will we do anyone would like to have appetizers and special drinks that comes with the V._I._p.? Only we need to know by Thursday how many V._I._P.. People are coming because we can't limit. So what I'm saying is go to X._l.. A. C. E. L. Events E._v.. Struck sequence activists cash tonight to inspire and get your V._I._p.. Tickets now because next week when we're in Buffalo I really don't want to deal with the headache people that they were going to all. We have to call it a the awhile too much information tickets. This week is the last week tickets will be available. There's promo codes floating around like what are they floating like graphic <hes> <hes> there's a sweet image that the person running the board should should have fun screen screen here for for the event that looks pretty cool made it for us that is the front of the world servility and the event will be live streamed being right here at all these channels that you're watching Greg cast on right now so again and again the bottom dropped the elbow. I win smashed subscribe button. You'll be notified when the night to inspire event goes live. If you like to attend the event and join us we love the have you come as come out may try to get tickets available at itself events or go to the event page on facebook moving Liane. We're talking about now. Next week is going to be an all event related episode and we'll get more into Yanni and fit and how you can donate Yawny if you're not gonNA make the events and all those wonderful things but while we're talking about right now is why I chose Yanni now. They don't have a whole bunch of buzzer attention in western New York I in fact inspires a lot of people but young audiences of western New York which is what young MHM stance for is a chapter of National Charity Organization called Young Audiences. I've never never heard of them either so obviously when you try to partner with a charity to look into cross promote you look into to to draw aww tension to each other's efforts and causes and things like that so it would have been much more beneficial for us to pick some somebody like Roswell something. Everybody knows everything get behind charity organization. Stop Cancer wants us to kill the diseases but for me I wanted something that that I had a personal connection with that. I could personally understand the impact in the difference in the change that we could be making in people's lives and that directly geared by attention towards a an organization that worked with kids that had some sort of involvement and bring arts to K. through twelve the next generation the younger generation because it's something to me was sorely lacking in my life and missed a big part of my identity and a big part of my purpose in life didn't come about until I found the creative arts the storytelling the the entertainment industry all of the things that have come with that I now identify as as who I am my my ability to to feeling I can make a difference in this world and do some good comes directly from the power of storytelling and what what that what that influence can be done what can be done with that influence when us towards positive means versus just trying to serve the the lowest common denominator or make money so it's a it's a thirty it's fine the entertainment industry to to find my passion for storytelling unlock my passion for storytelling and realize it meant anything and that a big part of that was the period everything I grew up in buffalo was all about Sports Sports Sports Sports Sport Sport Sport Sport Sport. My life revolved focused in it's all I thought about twenty four seven with sports and when I lost sports I there was a huge gap in my life. Everything was missing and my life didn't start up again until ten years later when I found storytelling telling my passion for storytelling so I look at the people I've met along the way out here. In the entertainment industry people like Ra Mellow Nelson who we had on the show a while ago that at twenty years old this kid is so wise smart and intellectual and driven and all that kind of started from finding his purpose in his passion at a young age and early what he wanted to do what he wanted to be in life and I think of where my life would it'd be now an and how much further ahead I would be in how much more well rounded of a person I would have been all along had I've been exposed to the arts arts part of my life at an early age going through high school all that stuff and that's what led me to you is what organization in Buffalo in western New York. He's making an effort to try to unlock those creative juices those inspirations those passions within the next generation of kids. What can I do to help that next generation from not having someone like me that probably would have been a much better brother much better friend much better son had I've had a more creative focus in driven and an outlet for a lot of the passion that was built up inside of me and soon as I found Yanni it was it was young audiences Western York? That's their goal. Their entire purpose is to expose kids to to careers in the arts to opportunities in the arts that aren't just about being rich famous and successful. It's all the different things behind the camera all the things that go into creating stuff on a collaborative team effort and the sooner they get introduced to that stuff the sooner you can find a love. You didn't now existed you. Bring it back to sports. I absolutely love sports but I didn't know really sports existed in what that was until my parents forced me don't play season of football and I found something that I that I truly loved left and I wish I wish in some way somehow johnny would have been introduced into my life at that age I would have been forced to to a season of art or t to take some sort of artistic classes of you've creative writing acting any of those different things just exposed me to that stuff that stuff's real I mean people watch listen all these graphs episodes of priorities as a thousand times but I was so wrapped up in watching movies and content and the creative elements of it that it never occurred to me people were making that stuff I was just in on the story I loved the stories and I wish somebody told me you know that that's three you love so much. That story was made by George Lucas. Here's George Lucas's story and how he became a filmmaker and all that would have changed my life at fourteen fifteen years old so that's why onto okay good reason right. I mean it's for the kids and if you run out of artists children what the heck are we gonNa Watch when world in green can't make it anymore either really so I pretty much answered the next topic question so now that was a sneaky way bringing up a topic thing now. It's your turn dear my turn I would I'd like you to share with all of us. What the the arts and creativity have meant to you and your life and your identity well the arts? I didn't really start mattering until we moved to Iowa from Chicago because when we lived in Chicago we were doing stuff all the time like there were people there and friends and stuff to do and we moved to Iowa like two miles out into the country tree and mom and dad are no taxi service just so you know no no no so there became a lot of reading a lot of reading a lot of watching movies mom and dad's still have over. I think it's five thousand movies and T._V.. Shows now that we've taped off TV Your D._v._d.'s what have you so that became a very easy outlet for all forms of our to not have to worry about Oh being so I'd say that actually is when I started forming into a real person where it was no longer about playing in messing around and actually realizing their other people who you likened dislike and you have to find ways to get around it and arts worked for all three of US kids. My sister went four painting and clay and glass blowing my brother went for writing and I went for acting kind of just stuck I we all went to school for it. Mom and dad are so very proud to have arts kids my sister with an art degree with theater and film degree in my brother with a writing degree. Is there a moment joining help that you consciously remember where are went from. I'm an entertainment component to something you consciously pursued as a as a career path like we're that crossover happen <hes> in seventh grade. You had to pick a career. Our Guidance Counselor Ensler came in Major. Take all these personality tests start thinking about what you might WanNa start taking in high school as your special classes so that was already one that I hated people when we moved to Iowa aw I did not and they did not like me. Either it's fair. It was an equal dislike Nice God if they ever come across anything with me. They're going to be like I hate her. That's let me throw cornet like I. I feel the same way about you feel about me. I still feel the same way I did back but I was like twelve in all of it. You know what I've never thought it was just this moment but corn kernels would probably be real. Good and slingshots day are not nice as they <unk> hurt at all they just. They hurt their hard even when they're wet still it's not nice what court girdles don't going to slingshot people are mean that's all they don't even realize they're mean but that that was my easy access to not have to think about where I was is for a little bit. I could be something else someone else I could read a script and that actually between one of those things exactly idiots out wandering around fricking cornfields so weird though so it's always been part of me since I was little like little and that's been the one main thing that I wanted to do in could do and I guess when I came out here I got one half of my wish which is living in California where people are Nice or they just don't care. We is equivalent to Nice when you come from somewhere. People care about things that are not there from from. Both of these people are not nice. They're nice they are they just ignore you. That's nice. That's not getting your business. I take it take eight so I think got a little easy on myself with creativity and with trying everything else I got out here. Thank you for translating the emily. I just got it spoilers wheelers so so what about what about now in today's life. How would you say arts and entertainment are part of your identity well? I'd say I've failed a little bit on the arts but the entertainment I consume at a massive rate massive like if you could have diabetes that version from eating watching too much I I would have yeah the ocular diabetes yes before we get into Emily's corner. We're GONNA talk a little bit of W._g._L._A.. Versus the ATA battle. That's been going on in Hollywood okay. Let's explain these letters. You're throwing out here people. I I was just about to circle back on circling now for those adult now the W._j.. Is the Writers Guild Association and the ATA is the agents talent association something like these the guild for for a talent agent for talent agents. You know the people who don't who negotiate contracts. They're not apparently lawyers because they never went to law school. They couldn't qualify for that so <hes> <hes>. Let's get into it. We've talked many times on this show specifically. This is why Greg cast taking Hollywood telling the tales exists. We've talked about the collusion. We've talked about the predatory behavior. We've talked about the the poor business models that are obsolete and crumbling that are facilitated mainly by a bunch of middleman that need to get their their pockets Greece to facilitate anything we've talked about all these horrible things and how they're all the inner workings of the Modern Entertainment Industry surprisingly the Writers Guild Association has decided to take a stand on behalf of everybody and try and fight back against one of the cornerstones of the collusion Asian in predatory practices on the entertainment industry in three honest with you my minds blown that they're so committed to taking up this fight because what they're taking on is so blatantly corruption an an an and conscious wrong conflict of interest that it's really amazing that they're actually addressing it and what that is is is what the entertainment industry calls packaging and packaging. It's where let's say. I'm a I'm a writer at talent agency a entailing agency a wants to get my project made but they decide. They're going to package it with other people that they represented their talent agency shoe now the the movie that was written by talent agent as writer is directed by talent agent as director and produced by Taylor Nation as producer and on on and on it goes with the leading actor from town today and not only creatively are your options limited to WHO's under their rela but they're double dipping on all the different fees here within all these different things and while they're supposed to be negotiated for that writers best interest also now negotiating for the best interest of that other client on the project and on and on it goes but on top of all that these tales agencies now have their own production companies were their packaging all of this stuff under the under the production companies umbrella were they all the talent and they're negotiating on both sides of the table the production companies trying to get the best deal the lowest compensation possible on all these different towns for the project so it can make as much money as possible for the talent agency. Eh An Italian sole purpose for existing is to get the most money possible for the talent. That's being attached to each one of these projects. All of it is what big giant conflict of interest thoughts on that Andrew. I think it's about time because everyone's known about it for the longest time and I think it's sad that it took the writers to get to this point and not the chargers not the actors like the ones with this we are you part of the can't identify as a writer first and foremost and I do stay on with W._G._N.. Stand still with W._J.. Ten years ago when when they were the first to go on strike and fight for royalties and digital media and all of that the writers of the beginning of the idea and put it through the pipeline and they're always the one that has to stand up and fight for everybody else so yeah I stand with the W._G._N.. So part of what pisses me off the most about it is it's not just that one agent that has this. One writer it's so so the W._g.. A is suing for different agencies right now that are huge enough that they control a huge amount of talent across the board on every Lubbock four so one of which is C._A.. William Morris is another one so let's say if you have an agent S._e._A.. It isn't necessarily that his people are the only ones who are going to be attached to your project. It's that if he takes your project at Warner brothers and they say yeah we WANNA buy it. We want to buy it and they go oh. That's great that you're interested but if you really WanNa buy it now. I want you to deal with another writer on another project I have they aren't dealing with just your project. They're actually making in your one project. Contingent on other people's work them have nothing to do with yours. Whatsoever which is not why you have an agent major supposed to protect an individual that is actually in the contract for love or individuals and the people people they control their acting as if they are they're acting as a manager does which is why people have problem with managers when they have more than one client because they suddenly act as if I'm the puppet master? They'll do what I say because I say it and so at the W._g.. Did is they told talk after months of trying to negotiate with the Talent Agency Association people and getting them to do a cut of the package fees. This is the thing on top of them getting their percentage from each of their people and from there are other projects that they're creating off of your original contact in interest by the way it's your interest that got someone to the table not the other people that they're trying to push on them now and say they have to take they want your project but they're doing all of this and then they're getting and additional package fee packaging fees but what you're saying is so much less than what it actually is and that's what they're getting a fee from each. One of those products were not giving leaving the people that are actually creating any of the past was cut us a bit of that packaging fee then we want everyone of your writers who's on it. We want a little bit more just a bit from that additional fee nope. They tried to come back after the W._G.. Had already let the Writers Know Fire Fire Mollet. They're refusing to in their agency will not willingly adjust to what we're asking fire them because they're not helping you. They didn't say you had to. They said they aren't helping you and so ninety percent of all writers out here in L._A.. In a one day period dropped their agents who poised all over here all over an agent started emailing their ex clients. Oh you know they're not looking out for you as if they were the as if they were and if it was any other industry you would get brought up up on charges for that because that is a conflict of interest the bottom line they're doing your contracts and that is a legal binding decision and they're the ones doing that in there fucking up your world because they want more money as if they have any talent themselves the attorneys can do it now. The bottom line is they're playing both sides of the fence and it's the is feasibly impossible to negotiate for clients best interest when you're also representing the client on on the opposite side of those negotiations which is oftentimes now themselves by serving as the production company this would be a perfect example of this outside of the entertainment industry would be N._F._l.. Franchises started opening up their own their own sports athlete management companies and agency companies so now if you want to play for the buffalo bills you gotta sign with the Buffalo Bills Talent Agency and have the Buffalo Bills People Negotiate Your contracts tracks. It makes absolutely no sense on how anything like that would ever exist and it wouldn't exist outside of the entertainment industry because the entertainment industry is so ridiculously broken already that people just accept it because again they control all the access and this is what they do with it they delays but now W._j.. has made any online submission for on their own platform so now writers can submit directly to show runners and producers so <music> to tell me to listen to anything O- Emily and emily is my single emily emily if you're ready call in for Emily's corner SAS emily's corner coming up here just a second when it gets that ETA pretty so we'll we'll see how far how far this goes and how long it lasts but I think the W._J.. Is Dug in on a position that they can't. They can't crack from at this point you've got to I yeah put in a certain point in negotiations. You've got to find a middle ground but I think what the what they've decided to make their case on and what they've decided to make their stand on. I don't think you can allow any middle ground to exist any further. I think you have to see this fight right through to the end where you have to limit the packaging and talent agencies owning their own production companies. I it's gotta be it's gotTa that era has to end if you're going to take the first steps towards cleaning up the industry. I think if I found out that I wasn't getting a role because an agent is holding it up because he wants someone else to get another job. I would tear that dude's is out I would beat him in the street with his own shoe. Will this screw you for holding me back for making a living because you think you get to have a decision about my work. If I want to do the job your job is to put it into words what we agreed upon you put it into words on paper and that's your job so I don't have to be the bad guy saying no. I'M NOT GONNA week ten percent. I want fifteen figure how far this this ripples through the Arab ray of a movie comes about things are packaged suck it director is is trying to cast a movie and he's looking to cast the movie the best talent possible for each of his roles but instead his agent is whispering slash putting pressure on him that hey man you know you should really cast this person and that person and this person who are all other people represented by that each did you just trying to set them all up and get those careers all launch at the same time so in again because now they're not just getting commission off that one project from the director for now getting commission off of each one of the different components that they put into that project and and then they're also getting commission as the the agent or representative for the production company owned by the talent agent's like it was coming out that they were making more money off of shows than people who were head writers of course absolutely like that is in fricking insane but again insane because they the the actual person that's being negotiated on behalf of whether it's the writer director whatever they don't know the full scale of what's available and what their value you is under those circumstances but the agent who's playing both sides of the fence does so now and this is what bookies used to do back in the day you can play the points on both sides and create a middle ground where you're taking even more because the client thinks they're only being paid so so much and the the the other side that you're representing thinks they're paying so much and you're actually taking a higher percentage in the middle because they both think they're paying a little little less or more than that it. It's unbelievable the shady realm that exists where they've been living off of the these packaging deals. I don't like it. I'd like them to disappear. I like them to disappear and I'd like them to have to give money back. Let's a few few show runners have have asked ask propose that to their their age of under percent when especially if you find out after the fact that you lost out on a job or an opportunity because someone was fucking around you should be allowed to sue them the company and them personally. I want your new car screw. You gotTa have a new car. It does the only way it works. It's all collusion all right miss any. I'm going to send you a message right now. In case you are off grabbing supper something she just sent a message that chat just a few minutes ago so she should be good to go here. I'm guessing she was just getting ready to give her another minute or two before we move onto bullet blitzes to kill time if she's not running okay. I got a bullet blitz. This is when I asked other people <unk> yeah if you are going to be drinking. Should you start with beer or wine. I know hard liquor. The day's going to be beer in line. Which one do you start with wine before beer not never be fine beer before wine always on time okay? Hey look at that good timing. Maybe the judge job you saved us. It was getting awkward. Come on it's GonNa take second for wheels. Turn Round and round shooting <music> icy you. Do you see no big deal could hear you. It worked. Okay we got we got two questions for you right out the gate of Emily's corner first of all I once real easy just to appease Andrea <hes> wine before beer beer before wine. If you're going to do a full day drinking and that's all you got is beer and wine. Which one do you drink I why and whine we go all right all right emily so the next one is not quite so easy? We're GONNA come out with a burner for you. Earn Down Barnes we would like to know what creativity liberty and our have meant to you in your identity. I mean it's something that's been in my life than files like a mccade starting with the like I always vote to color and just doodle and draw and then in high school I started doing theater and I started writing and acting I mean it's been part of my life for an TA. Em would you see would you say it's one of the the binding fibers that connect you to most of your social network arid. Eh thing for 'em in Oh I remember that and not just like being a part of their dislike. I mean I've been watching movies by forever and I mean just like when I grew up you know I mean I was watching horror movie the child baby for bike and everybody knows me as a person I can quote movie quotes than Alpo conversation just on clown so we have a question from Sami so you mentioned that you're an actress and I just heard you mention that you do writing to. What kind of writing do you do? What what's your murder mystery game night? Writing will kind of what could have already <hes>. There's a couple of stories out on the Internet. I should have written <hes> and then a couple of stories on the Internet about you. <hes> Robert's not under my roommate it Abano Lot PAB <hes> they're <hes> they're not safe for work. Okay very entertaining Gotcha <hes> it there they stay up as the inflation but and started to like rewrite them though that they're not be unle celebrities conflict fan fiction is obviously <hes> there were very popular stories though gotTa Lot of comments and then I've written <hes> tons of short script <hes> over in the Lou Rhodes grass and then got <hes> movies though done that I wrote the scripts for and of course when I wrote a script the firms have that I get to act movies. They are not <hes>. They don't usually read my scripts so they just kind of half ass it. What do you think that Cresco people like that <hes>? I haven't been on a little too much lately. I kinda lost my writing news a C. Lloyd different. <hes> there is another one that I used to but I can't think of I mean I know how would you explain while pet from nobody for people that have not been there before. Had I explain it <hes> Smithburg everything they agree. Anybody can weigh about anything and everything reaping <hes> airing their seen a lot of things on their reasonably getting to give anybody a chance to to get that wording out to express themselves. So how do you advertise yourself or let people know. It's out there like I. I don't know what this is it like a read it. What is the unexploded rented a room full old? I don't know there's deer Red Apron. You just randomly pick which one you want to read or Ga- <hes> it's there's a lot of Fan Fiction on <music> Anwar Pad the Third Reich. You're you add tags to your stories. You can search for a specific thing that you're looking for and then you get recommendations and <hes> you know someone posted something similar to what you like hiking aiming like that kind of lake read it like you just need people's attention altered. I've been on both saw jump in here ready bread. It is more just threads of comments so many throws the topic out there and then everybody can respond with comments on that topic. <hes> Wa pad is more. Here's a rating editor you can write a whole novel all in there and you can distribute it by chapter or short segments and then people can go in and they can share that short segment writing they can say Kucha they can give you a tip and say hey. I really like writing your five bucks for coffee. It's like it's like the kind of like the Youtube of of writing with the Model S. way to put it and I see you're not going to tell us what your pen name is. Is it dark nightmares. I know my twitter it back. I cannot think if my retin the erection uh-huh everybody now we know where to look and I'll be nice not put it in there by writing about an hour sanctioning. I'm fix it. Maybe it's not spark directory okay. Emily weight is my bag noteworthy. Let's let's move on to the to what really matters what really matters Chris as with everything in life. The end game is all that matters headers. It's all about the endgame aright. So am you tell us you went to the theater inside. Give us your experience that like we saw the theaters to Andrea. I WanNa know what there's was like. Tell me for their people dressed up. We're the lines insane aimed to someone cry. We lot of la who didn't cry Irene Bay so much the happens in that movie and you know a so you know run into a marvel movie anyway at some Shit can go down so you try to prepare yourself for everything but they're still motorcycle on so I went to the air at our Alamo Draft House and a and they they have one beer has like surround them <hes> in the inner ear. I had to go into that theater. I needed the surround sound and <hes> they have like a a comic bookstore. They're selling merchandise and down. The long hallway is the third has thrown sound is being blast theater at the bar and of course they had six Andy cutouts of the six original national lenders so there is hope ironman black widow Hawkeye captain America and <hes> or or take your Patriot them in our world where they had enroll hallway from the entry way to the theaters they had a posters of the dusted characters infinity wore and then they had eight jars of sand deaths on people next to the poster. Oh that's cool does fury how they will handle. The 'cause is like an immemorial bucky fear there. I grabbed duckie's Jagger level but he is my favorite he not giving any spores away okay but but there was definitely a bucky shortage in in the very explorer because e I mean spider-man's got nearly become out. Guardians has a new movie. Come out you know these people are GonNa come back so yet. No there is not enough becky either. I don't either I needed more becky in my life as he does the tea fire the're not enough bookie. I'm becky embarking though getting their own TV show on Disney for us as well as Rhonda <hes> skirt which envision men Hawkeye all have an rope all have shaved coming up. I don't understand how some of those shows are GonNa work and not screw things up in the universe though the Wand envision show is supposed to be set in the fifties route. That's the is McCall wander be. She's in where like are you still falling agents of shield. No I haven't for a while 'cause I like I feel like they fall completely off the rails with the with the main time line of the movies now. I know that yeah they're not they're not there are four make their little time line so so over overall where did you where how did you feel walking on the theater and how do you feel a day later how they feel <hes> like matter of the theater I I felt incomplete. I you know I guess I look and I I. I mean I always want more <hes>. There's something about these marvel movies you just you can't get enough. <hes> you know Disney's taking over the world but they put us such amazing movies most. I'm <hes> and <hes> these this number but I think because of what happened it. Just it left you empty inside you know being these guy completed but he it is except see I'm. I'm interested to see how it holds up over over multiple viewings because I feel money and it's like I'm GonNa say this. This is not a huge spoiler. I think everyone knows that in some variation this installment was going to deal with time travel but when you you introduce time travel to the extent that they introduced it into here I just think you're opening a whole rat's nest of signs and questions and confusion and you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. When you start swirling time travel bucket that thoroughly really I thought there is only a couple of instances where the time travel like? What am I going to like obviously the very very <hes> end situation that happens <hes> what you know with that helping at the very end e what would that do though you know what kind of what will cause you would think with what happened it eight modem? It changed some things from previous movies. There's there's several of that that zone <hes> it. It's just it's just a Pandora's box for me that I feel like takes takes a lot away from from from where what a bad I <hes> like why why why can we save some of the characters using time travel spoils nothing any any name who else why can we save some of the some of the characters using time travel but other characters that died on Zee tags seemed seem circumstances. Islamic can't be saved through the same methods is just for for what they built over twenty one movies. I feel like using try it time travel into it at the twenty seconds our I it cheapens a lot of the other movies accidentally unintentionally. Tell tell encounter was a bitch to work growth and no eagles always wise terminator back to the future. You know we're good movies but at the same time there's so many many flaws with Togo Piper hoping and then when you go out of your way to mention all the other time travel movies as you're acknowledging are ready the the the increasing hot tub time machine which the Bashan Fan who praised Becky is in that is he one of the mean skiers he gene the name means gear. They won like things they were. A German organization has yes by by mentioning all those movies you're you're indirectly acknowledging that you understand that there's a bunch of bullshit that comes with time travel and it ends up falling apart under its own way inevitably by being poked at by anyone else so by poking at those other movies by trying to say that you're merely pointing <music> out the fact that anyone points out time travel movies that you can find holes everywhere so the question. Are you ever GonNa Watch it again or was once enough in all watch again now. <hes> I <HES> MY <hes> <hes> my cousin and her husband haven't seen it yet. We went to war zero so for me to see it together and then I'm already there. They announced a you know a shared her my face but they announced a twenty two disc box that I'm I'm gonNA beginning. I made do so cost so much money. I have one specific subject on the show that I do WanNa talk about the cookie spoiler free so if anyone's still watching watching at this point and really cares about series media spoiler to not at this point in time because we're we're gonNA talk about this. One okay then pause split spoiler spoiler. Please change diesel now. I don't want to get into a bunch of the other ones 'cause too far in the episode. At one point captain America's traveling back in time split. He sees the love of his life across the the office way them by birth and he sees he sees her desk and a picture on the desk. was that not a picture of him in the picture frame on the desk. Yes okay so at that point. I appreciate it was him too and my understanding what Scott tonight that's like them but at that point in time isn't she already supposed to be married and moved on with kids the he will learn that way. He he his wit handhold time. I'm not even getting into the whole end part of I know very everything with I know everything at that time travel abilities story aw aw I get yours. Here's remember right before she say her fritzy has been. Here's here's where I'm going with this and follow me on it now so I know what you're you're problem is is that there should have been a divergent timeline. If he went back and changed stuff. That's the big potholed if you went back and stayed than it should create a its own separate time line. He would have never been able to be there as an old man at the end cracked early yet we could if he stayed where hey then he. It'd be a to help American van the one that's still frozen dinner then there is there's there's still technically there in that frozen state at that point I in any comes back out and helps because this is so far off track from where we're on a focus and getting things on that but yet so all of those things get into like a couple of articles a point out there there her car there they break the carrots established over a long period of time on on on that dynamic but what I want to talk about so everyone thinks it's a plot hole at the end that old may and Captain America's sitting there and he wouldn't be in Matt Timeline if he went back in created a divergent timelines okay that's true and during that time period that he went back there she was supposed to be based on the panky character in the in the Canon Her T._v.. Show and everything else and what she said in winter soldier she was married during that time period and to a guy that was saved by Captain America and had to have we never said who so. Here's what I think maybe that the the entire Marvel Universe that we've been following is already the divergent time line and the person she married in a two k. plan is him and that's why his pictures on their desk because she she was already with him and he was just finishing the loop by by going back and and staying there and and being with her he finished the loop so divergent timeline is actually a complete timeline for them because he he went back following me. L. IN HAWAII got up billy's this great regularly. You're fine a rebel a bow tie on it spreading everywhere this really did they shoot a Roy like the character that's why they wanna tell the character dynamics and all of that because him to sitting back in all these years while shit goes down and not getting involved does it make sense for the character but if you if you brush that part aside and you complete the loop assuming and that their entire time line is already alternate divergent time line then it completes that by having him go back and disrupt the the main time-line create the divergent one that they're all on yeah I think I think I think not I think you could talk to the writers and make sure you're correct. This is where you guys were thinking right right. I knew it I got it okay moving on from adventures and soon there will jump on little more answer question my questions answered though they had like the setup outside the theater but where people like dressed up like at at the Mike aac Showing am I showing no well I see as Patriot someone drills followed <hes> for the where people breath out but not not at the time I I went so they didn't and fan belay out like they did at the comic on that you went to a couple of weeks ago that already or to run wherever it was all totally costumed out winter and you had that awesome shirt on Oh. That's what you needed to have the picture up. That's what I was going to tell. Are you the picture you posted of you with the guys and you had your shirt on the wears what's his name Paul or whatever it for bell then Gavin so which one of those is more fun though on like like the convention or going to see the movie two different excitement which run at the end oh I agree so so what will the hiding vendors. Let me bad fighters your emotional. So what were the highlights. It's for you from the from the COMECON that you only got red dead redemption braves <hes> so I was just those tones of people oh <hes> lines for every thirty that was there. I didn't even get the FIA panel because I pretty much spent the entire day waiting in line do they as is so that they get and it'll be a pain in the ass so the only offer it for three days and we have to go every year do all the days get it is like we'd be sitting in line for like two hours and then and like the celebrity would come back and here comes like eight thousand past people and even waiting here by the people that are there for the ones that have the most time to wait. The fruit is we did carry away <hes> from twitter stall Princess Bride of course we did him first because he had to leave by like three P._M.. Minute tights to both men and only if wasn't really sure silverstone all crazy over. I thought as insulin no away we went to find him. Wine and Ale is already like backed up and he had his panel to do will women are like sit here and wait eight. Were resist gifted piano. We want his autograph so he they had him hidden in a back room behind curtains. Everyone else Housley table. You can see him. I don't know why he was like that honor. He's like having lady <hes> behind the the curtain is like I don't WanNa be here too. I'm seated yeah. His fable were behind his table rows behind this curtain with all his pictures and stuff is real good. You'll the only one <hes> we go we go through the curtain and it's me my mom and he's Oh my God. He's still frigging tiny. He lost a lot of weight <hes> very nice Nice. Though <hes> very quiet ill onofre carson a whisper. <hes> I got a thaw autograph I had them write game over <hes> A and then we talked about this and how much we will in the show Blake and all that and he shook our hands they got my picture taken with him and then we will not and so then my next thing whereas no photograph where the two of Debra junction boys and their voice actors of John Marston and Arthur Morgan so I go to that line which isn't too long and how would you photos is you go through online and then you go into a curtain where they're standing is. They don't want you to take orders around course of great which you in a closet even better for my shirt if he prayed whether that would there if he prayed red dead redemption to <hes> there is a character his British fancy man you meet and you meet them all over the game and he's shouting Davin. He's looking for his friend Gavin the entire day and you just go the measure of a Patriot Elvi- guy and it just said Gavin underneath them though I often there eh and the voice like there are Morgan either. I and he's got an Irish accent you wouldn't you think that he's gone l.. An Amazing Irish accent and he's like Oh. I love your shirt and I'm like Oh thank you woman does jam more Marston just starts laughing his ass off eastwards bursting out laughter and I stained in between him. We put their arms around me. He's still laughing. They take the picture jerry and he's like. I'm so sorry go laughing there in the photo and I'm like yes but I just have a true celebrity smile. Usually they usually just like they give their the world. Be Like we're here ooh and it turned out to be really great. <hes> Bodo does I mainly went to the scene and then the highlight was going to meet them at Autograph Table Wolf. I had printed out a picture <hes> John Marston Arthur Morgan together and when I wanted ways <hes> Arthur the poet <hes> I and <hes> I know in merced into put your my brother where if you play the game at the very end that is like they last lines together before shake him and I go up to him and he point shave. I remember you know all minute. Go we did back in the autograph and they were just Oh that would be the nicest people in the world and I a. and like I went to shake the one's hand and he put both his hands over my one hand youth and I think you have no bank Ian Michael Landau near you. They're freaking out and <hes> no we gets me. <hes> the WEASLEY trends. Were there from Harry Potter fear I couldn't get I couldn't get too close to them. They're lying awake by all over the place they will <hes> heroin huge hit like are they super tall and yes and <hes> they expel much other their natural repair. They would get his nine years now. They naturally never recognized them on the Real Street Reid if they are not bright there superbowl twins like that right away would think we wins but otherwise that's so cool <hes> allow the celebrities were there. We got to meet Henry Winkler. The WHO's the arm the Oh sure and here's the Bible there and she's always she's like oh God willing meet him go hug in Hebrew or Sheaves as Lebanon and <hes> and big Momma's waiting in line so she is sitting on the full of a bunch of other people waiting for him to return and one of the <HES> COMECON people came over Arabs late you you need to stand up in a make room for more people as all of them stood up and they still like an hour to wait in his Viking woman. She always ending and there are what they told us to. She's no use that back down. You still have also used to bear. She went over there at the COMECON Lord. Yes she away sweetheart. <hes> the yeah we gets me a lot of <hes> another fun. People Boy Petty Tear Strong <hes> <hes> Chris Sarandon was there Walsh on there was a princess bride thing it was <hes> I got cryptic Khan and I've been July I get to I'm really excited. MEET THE HAGUE <hes> and Halloween camp or the two and Tom Savini I can't I keep almost getting through them. I don't think so I'd only been listening to come. I'm really excited for that. <hes> I got to meet Bill Moseley already <hes> he came to our Alamo draft house <hes> emerge right to meet third and get his autograph. I I'm excited birthday from how I am less well they emily gotta wrap up this week's quarter here one second fall river still have your awesome awesome happy that you made to is it there or did you have guests. So is your D- <hes> I gotTA. How do we show to people anxious? dammit maybe something for seventy four. Maybe our worship him now 'cause younger Kentucky. Derby is so cool so cool which of C. so it's coming up. We're still within time. I hear I'm GonNa go close there. We go. I'm doing people I'm coming up to the camera here so you guys can see on the folk. This whole family can see a hold of you all. Do it your own way there you go. Did you see it will actually cake. It's not it's not the tumor not definitely a wedding cake back. That's awesome. It is a Horse Audit. You see that that is I think I need to see it on a head to believe. It's a hat look here wedding cake okay all right. Chelsea accepted did challenge accepted there it is it's not a head camera side by side heads. Yes yeah this aw I actually to go says that is intense. If people don't reveal the wedding polled how incredibly artistic untalented you are like not only do you make the murder murder mystery game like you came along every part of it away from us do it so I doubt Oh yeah that one. I'm going to a Kentucky Derby Party. I am and there is a contest that has <hes> bike three thousand dollars in prizes and how many people get a chance to win. Though auto makers benefits he had ever Yeah Durham Drizzly and the whole health contest goes next week death thing was awesome. Have you ever been to a Kentucky Derby Party before now all off the horse racing part but not to Kentucky Derby. There's <hes> there's something called H.. Pie which if it's a Good Kentucky Gary Party. They're gonNA Derby Pie. Listen a Derby Pie. It's steaming dividends from pretty woman. Be The steaming dip it. Yes okay any firewall. Okay there. It is there's the big out here sounds in that as a real smile. Oh Walker gambling any final words for this week's release quarter. Maybe a little tease what we can expect next week <hes> they next week will result therefore of the Kentucky Derby half the results. I go Omaha impeach his Omaha <hes> and what the Bell <hes> surprise we can do it by the vendors and game if you haven't already <hes> even if you haven't seen any of the Orion then we can we can all watch emily. Thank you for joining US tonight. Sorry we kept you up a little bit later than we thought we're going to put you dear. Were I will let you go by ear for spun in their go and M.'s corner sure he's down. I on that side before the side going to give you my full of blitz. Now you have a bullet blitz alrighty <hes> Dean winters. The allstate may have guy mentioned this week that he died for five minutes in two thousand nine my question for Oh you wait the allstate man guy you mean the dude from like rescue me which apparently was around the time. He was filming rescue so anyway Mike for five minutes onset was on settled part that matters the both blitz is what is the closest near death experience you have had in your life when I was either seven or eight I a apparently had a super bed concussion lake. I was out for a couple of days cup. That's a coma that's can cut. I definitely know that I went to the hospital and I only know because my family told me after the fact but I was out for a couple of days and yeah it's called a coma so I would say that would be conducted or coma you know when you're riding a bicycle and you start going around in a circle just to see how fast you could get going if you do like from the street onto Solos driveway through the little sidewalk to the so I was doing that was gravel to know it was in Chicago. I I <hes> my shoelace. My sock I dunno something got in with the chain and apparently I went flying sidewalk street. Don't know which one but I was found by the parents on the street. So when I apparently I was screaming. I don't know about that. I don't recall any of it but yeah I went to the doctor and a couple of days later. I woke up on the couch and mom and Dad Relate Yep. Take Take it easy. This is the first time you've been like Hulu aware so yeah I start like hard. You probably have to be the first time I was in a car accident where I got hit by Carbon Ions fifteen and I came to underneath the car that was close under meaning by the tires or the car was player was like the clearer hit my shoulder hip hip <unk> so you were on side but literally looking at like the engine part Bell I was looking up underneath the front bumper and the car skidded to a stop and hit me on the hit me on the side the next ball tires. What were you doing out on the street? I was going across the street to play football wearing spikes and I tripped out a pothole and you are on the ground and the person not see you though he slay his his brakes and slid so you saw car coming decide. It was still an okay time to cross as a kid trip that a mater. You're the kind of pedestrian that you hate now. You are the pedestrian you I used to be. You deal with traffic. Now you get those pedestrians now. It was a late you almost killed another Thurston. No first of all I you know could loosed bolt tires. He wasn't paying attention to where he was going. He had plenty of time to stop. He didn't hit me at no car. Insurance holy crap in your diaper stood was a thumb emily. You were courageous little kid as a baby. I unlocked the door when my dad was supposed to be watching me. I want to look for my mom across a very dangerous highway without getting hit good and I none found me in your in your diaper as far as story serious serious in the rain no less man story where she shared with us while you run a corner. That's got fall questions. Do they know what we're talking about next week. I think you should have been telling your dad after that. He goes and works in your mom stays home. Apparently you had a choice wrapping up the show in this week. We WanNA thank family for <hes> next week will be all about the event we may not have a Yanni guest with us next week but it will all be event details <hes> Andrew any last words this week.
Working: Rumaan Alams New Novel Started With a Daydream
"Support for working comes from facebook, the pandemic has changed the way we do a lot of things. It's also going to change the way we vote. So naturally, there are a lot of questions whether it's hotel vote by mail went to register or how to vote safely in person. That's why facebook has created the voting information center full of up to date state specific information to help you find the answers to your questions and make sure your vote is counted because of vote counted is a voice heard for official information from election authorities visit facebook, dot com slash voting Info Center. There's a reader who's going to read this book and feel that it is about. Being a parent is a leader who's GonNa read this book and feel about climate change as a reader who's going to read this book feel about contemporary politics. All of those readings, I think are equally valid. And have very little to do with my own intention for the material I no longer really a part of the transaction. Welcome, back to working I'm your host Isaac Butler and I'm your other host June Thomas June Thomas we just heard from Remond Allom who is our very special guest for this week and of course I have never heard of Ramana Lomb. So who is he and why did you talk to him? Well, clearly the most important thing. Is that he is one of the hosts of working podcast how creative people get their work done, and there's a podcast about how creative people get their work done. I'm telling you is co working and so good. It's about the nuts and bolts of the creative process I heartily recommended really really good. All right. Ramon is also one of the host of a word which is slates LGBTQ podcast and he's a journalist. He writes for small magazines like slit in the New Yorker he teaches writing and he's novelist his third novel leave the well behind was published on October six, and although working listeners know Ramona's is a smart empathic questioner interviewer. I want to turn the tables and talk to him about his writing process. Also, I just knew that his wonderful new novel would be nominated for the National Book Award. And it was yes. Yes. It is newly minted finalist for the National Book Award, before we get to the show proper, I just wanted to acknowledge that this has been a truly bizarre week in terms of the swirl of news and chaos. Surrounding it's like a shark NATO of a week. Our president went to the hospital. There's been a huge covert outbreak through the out the Republican Party in the executive branch and now maybe the joint. Chiefs have. Eddie van Halen died. There's been so much going on how do you get your work done in the midst of all of this in the crazier, the world gets the easier. It is for me to get my work done Times like this, I am really really conscious of my many privileges of having a job that I can do from home of not having caretaking responsibilities and working in a field journalism. That people really need right now. So interesting on the old to do list is pretty easy. But when I'm done with work, I have become like an absolutely manic crafter to such an extent that it is clearly like some kind of coping mechanism or distraction device but right now, I just applaud whatever strategy people are able to grab onto to get through the day so. I mean the world is Funke's. How are you coping? I give myself a C. minus I think I I. Don't know maybe I asked that question because I'm struggling this right now but you know like I. You know this is a podcast about creative work I overextended myself a bit this week in terms of things that I committed to do, and then on top of that, the news is You know as strong battle, he said crazy go nuts and then on top of that, my child's school is on strike right now and so the confluence of all those things, it's very hard especially because writing. So solitary early in yourself and in the material I am finding it hard to sit down and and get that work done and having to kind of dig deep figure out some new strategies. When I figured them out you'll be the first to hear about it. Yeah. I have to say I when you kind of put up the list like that what strategy could there possibly be to just kind of coat with quite so many things going on at the same time I think sometimes we asked too much of ourselves and this might just be one of those times like it's pretty much impossible to get a lot of stuff done although I know Isaac that you just kind of have to right Nah? Yeah. Well, you know the deadlines loom no matter how you're feeling about them right Before we start, we should just say that we have a very special treat for slate plus listeners some extra wit and wisdom of Ramana alarm. So what can our slate plus subscribers get this week Let me see they will hear a recommendation, a stroll down memory lane and an anecdote involving Denzel. Washington see you can't get that everywhere you know where you can get that slate plus so why don't you let your fingers do the walking and go to slate dot com slash working plus for a free two week trial and we'd also like to remind you that if you are enjoying this show, please subscribe to it wherever you get your podcasts. All right now, let's hear June's wonderful conversation with. Remond. Alone. Thresholds is a series of conversations with writers and artists about moments of epiphany or transformation that changed their lives and their work. A moment they stepped across the threshold into something new and the way that experience changed everything they made afterward, the podcast is hosted by Jordan Kisner award-winning. Author of the collection thin places. Season two is now available featuring conversations with such writers as Ocean Vong. Tara Westover, Rachel Elisa. Griffiths Alexander Chee and Kate Zambrano listen to thresholds every Wednesday on Apple podcasts spotify stitcher and wherever you listen to podcasts. Remond allom you are a podcast host, a critic, a teacher, a newsletter writer, and a novelist, your third novel leave the well behind is out on October six and it has already been optioned to become a movie with Julia Roberts attached I'm curious if you remember the very first like fleeting seed of an idea that grew into the book, Do you have any such memory? It's so difficult because we of course, revise our memories as time passes. I have a very clear memory. With being on the upper west side of Manhattan in the winter of two thousand seventeen. The writer Laura Lippman had let me borrow her apartment in New York City so that I could break for a week which is like I. Mean you can't really imagine a more generous gesture. So. I was there for a week away from children away from my family and. It's not far from the river where the apartment is and it was absolutely freezing cold just so so cold in that way that New York can be when you're right on the Hudson and I found myself daydreaming about the vacation mutation that summer that August my family had rented this Airbnb in a kind of unfashionable part of Long Island it's not adjacent to the hamptons where you can buy. Caviar at the grocery store. This is like a quiet rural part of long. Island but as a beautiful house has swimming pool. and. I was there for this week that was so magical. The weather was really incredible and I found myself thinking a lot about that particular space and so I think that is where the seed was planted where it was like I want to write about this house I want to write about the summer vacation, but I didn't know what I wanted to do with material. I think came later. An upturn home kind of comes into the bouquets. Well, that's right. That's right. I haven't actually I hadn't thought about that, but you're right. I'll give you an opportunity to describe your novel briefly I'm not going to get into the specifics too much because by the time this episode airs not many people will have had a chance to read it although I highly recommend it and I'm sure they will before too much time has passed but just so that people know generally what it's about could you just describe it briefly young appreciate that because there is a particular challenge here. I don't really care about spoilers generally speaking in art forms but I do think that there's an instinct with respect to this book to hide some of what it's doing so that the reader can have a fresh experience with it. This is a book about an upper middle class white couple live in Brooklyn and have two teenage children. Heading out to. Vacation in Long Island much like the one I've just described or quite literally the one I've just described to you. And So this family Amanda who works in Advertising and clay who is a professor and their two teenage children are Chan rose. Spend forty eight hours going to the beach hanging out at the pool eating. The kinds of meals you eat when you're on vacation like ice cream Sundaes for no reason. and. Then there's a knock at the door the second night of their holiday. And the adults are really taken aback because they're out in the country they don't know anyone there. There's no reason anybody would be stopping by the House and they opened the door and find an older black couple standing there and this couple G. H. and roof explained to them that this is their house. They rented this house to them on Airbnb and that they have come there because there been an emergency and New York City and they are seeking safe haven. And the rest of the book sees these six people inside this one home trying to figure out what if anything is happening in the world outside of their doors. I'm curious having heard that I germ. Can you possibly kind of think that vague idea this beautiful place is interesting place. Which is actually Setting rather than story like can you recall that develop more like did you outlined? Did you sit at a desk and just think okay what could happen in that space like that to me feels The. Most mysterious part of writing a book I do think that you have to have a destination in mind before you can sit down and write or at least I do so it shouldn't speak in generalizations I should only speak about my own process. It is clear anyone who has read the book as You have that this is not. A fantasia about a family holiday, it goes into quite different territories. So even if I've just described to you being inspired or motivated by my own experience of family holiday, the resulting book departs from that significantly. Part of what I wanted to do. was take a very small domestic scenario. And find something big and important inside of it. So, there's a whole body of books about people on vacation, for example, and they tend to be books about family life and identity, and the characters will be negotiating. Their Romance, her coming to terms with sort of complicated family struggle or you know the idea being I think that you take people out of their usual geography and then it sort of clarifies how they orient themselves in the world. So that's one kind of book and. I think that those families stories are really important and really interesting. In fact, there my favorite things to read. But I wanted to show you can also make a bigger statement about the world self using that language of family, story? And so I think that was part of the endeavor that I wanted to show that you could take a tidy domestic scenario of a woman shopping for groceries or family sitting down at the dinner table and extrapolate from that into something illuminated. Contemporary politics or our approach to the environment or Our cultural confusion about the objectivity of reality itself Something you just said you talked about a a woman shopping for groceries, and of course, made me think of a woman shopping for flows and the hours Were that goes and I. It reminded me that when I was researching I there was an interview that you did when you talked about how a scene in the book the involves clay was like a scene I think in the Magic Mountain. Yes, and it made me wonder. You know maybe some people think that the only kind of boot writers who do research nonfiction book writers clearly, novels also do research. What did your research consist of like what was about facts and what was like rereading magic mountain or reading the was which of course, was my projection words very kind of you to frame this as a question about research rather than one about theft. But certainly I think that what I would imagine it's true for anyone involved in making art is that the process of? Looking at are encountering it in whatever form in painting in. Theater in books. Is. The process of research what you're talking about it's a building a library of private reference. and. You can draw upon that will and I think that you know or at least I, know with a specific project what I am more drawn to what relates to the project at hand. So you mentioned the Magic Mountain, which is one of my favorite novels fall time. And? That novel the Magic Mountain. Captures, a particular feeling of solitude of isolation and the scene that I'm talking about being inspired by is Chapter I believe is called snow in which the protagonist of the story has gone out on a skiing trip for the day he's left the sanitarium to go out skiing. And there's a storm and he finds himself lost and. Begins to panic and worries that he can't find his way back to the sanitarium where he's staying with his ill cousin. and. Gets increasingly kind of fevered and. deranged. And things that he has been gone for hours and hours. He finally finds his way back. And he thinks that he's been gone for hours and hours and he's been gone for like twenty minutes. And there's something really fascinating about that particular feeling to me and it took Thomas Mon-. Did it better and so if I want to capture a feeling of confusion or isolation or the ways in which your mind can play tricks on you, I'm going to think about how a writer who has done that really well, and I'm going to have that in mind or if I'm thinking about. Drinking is a big part of this. There's a lot of scenes of people drinking and I was thinking about Edward Albee's who's afraid of Virginia. Specifically Mike Nichols film adaptation of that work in which there is so much drinking that I've heard. So many people say this, the simple act of watching that movie makes you feel drunk. And I wanted this book to be animated by that same thing when they are sitting around drinking vodka trying to figure out what's happening in the world that you the reader. Feel a little tipsy. So you feel a tip seen that reflects how the characters are acting but also that has a longer heritage and it's meaningful to me in the construction of it. I don't know if it's meaningful to the reader in the experience of encountering, but I think that those. Private references and symbols and anecdotes and does private touchstones of arch. Exist for everyone making art and sometimes they matter to the. Don't. We'll be back with more of dunes conversation with remodel in just a moment. This episode of working is supported by t mystery. T mystery is a podcast tells the stories of teams who worked together in new and unexpected ways to achieve remarkable things. 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One of the things that we would love to do with this show is helped solve your creative problems whether it's a specific challenge of at your work or a big question about inspiration and discipline send them to us at working at slate dot com if and when we can we, we'll put those questions to our esteemed guest and hey, if there's anything else you WanNa talk about any feedback, you want to give any guests you'd like to see feel free to drop us a line there as well. Once again, that's working at slate dot com. Okay now let's rejoin June's conversation with Remond. Remond I am slightly obsessed with the current enthusiasms section of your website Ramon alarm dot com just to give an example from under the heading twenty sixteen blossom Dearie and not just because her name blossom Dearie and Eddie Gourmet whose Spanish language recordings were significant source of inspiration when I was writing my book and Tchaykovsky is First Piano Concerto even though I know it's a bit dramatic now. Love, the also because I'm a huge fan of blossom dearie but also I feel like I could know sit down and write like short versions of that kind of list for all your characters in the novel. and. So I wondered, do you in fact, do that kind of exercise like when you're writing? Do you think what would amandus favorite novel be what would Claes bad habit be like? Do you do those things to kind of flesh out your characters or is that completely my projection I don't I wish I did it makes me think of when you hear about like certain kind of actors who? Are, so committed to losing themselves in a performance that they won't take off the costume where that they'll you know read the book that their character might have on their the CETERA or has put on the bedside table right? They'll try to really embody that. I don't because I treat these people. As both real and As little devices to enact a story and so I invest them ultimately with just myself or little things I've stolen from other people where salient but for the most part. I mean readers often want ask what is autobiographical in a given book right of any any writer not just any writer that's a question that they have to answer and my answer, which is so unsatisfying. Is that everything is autobiographical because you're always locked out of your own sensibility. So you can't even prove that the way in which the sky looks blue to you is the way in which the sky blues anyone else. So it's always mitigated by your own experience of thing and so. When I put these signposts inside of a book as I do in this one, like you may have noticed that there's a scene in which ruth talks about ruth is the black homeowner she talks about Tchaykovsky Swan Lake you may have noticed that on my current through the list. From. Probably from two thousand eighteen. And that is how I feel about Swan Lake. So she is just saying what I feel about a work of art but that doesn't mean that I am Ruth or she me. similarly when I again when I think of the characters like something. One thing at least about each one pops into my mind like could be a habit they have like. A smoker ruth like Swan Lake. Is that a trick that you have discovered that you are working on those the reader when you creating these characters? Were you thinking to put in a very reductive way? Like what's Claes thing? What's Ruth's thing? I. Don't know if I was thinking about distilling them down to. A particular tick or habit or Some fats from what you could extrapolate meaning. But I do think what you're talking about is something that I only realized. Lately, which is that. When writing a book, most of the work of the book is being done by the reader. So if you say. Barbara went down the hall to answer the telephone. The reader is picturing. One kind of Barbara, one kind of hall, one kind of telephone, and you can affect that by saying that went down the dimly lit hall chance of the telephone or went down the hall to answer the Yellow Telephone. So you can kind of decide what is important in that picture, but the reader is completing that picture and that's kind of a liberation. And so. Lets you get away with less labor less description and allowing the reader to have a toehold in the world. Yeah and to be clear like. When I say you know. This is their thing that can seem like a a bad thing but to me actually. It made these characters really gave them souls. You know that they're people who I know remember is like if I think of smokers clay if I think of Swan Lake I'll think of Ruth like that's actually an amazing trick if that's what it is. So I certainly, don't mean any shed by no no I I. Guess I guess you're you don't want to speak of character as device to enact story I. Think you're identifying something important, which is that the character has to feel like more than that. They have to feel like you can visualize them. You understand them as in the context of the people you know in your own life and. I think you're right like it's telling that clay is not just a smoker but a secret smoker. Yes. Because you know that's a particular kind of person and that's important and then as the book draws to a conclusion and he I think the narrative says at some point that he doesn't have any cigarettes left. Becomes meaningful in a different way. So. I guess you're right. The Endeavour in of this book is certainly to establish a sense that these people. Are. Not fake that you could know that you could have a feeling about them. You know you mentioned how the reader? A lot of the work of you you don't spend as I recall many words on describing their physical appearance. Do you have a clear picture of them? I have various simple answer to that, which is that I am completely face blind, and so the way people look is very difficult for me to explain and very difficult even for me to see and so faces when I read faces being described or even physicality being described. It doesn't Really compute it's almost like when people talk about math. So am describing people who want you to be able to envision and so I do talk about sometimes what they're wearing or their relative physical size or some. Details about their physionomy but I rarely say like. A symmetrical face with an equine knows a smattering of freckles and you know hair like this because I just don't. I rarely know what that means hodges such a weird admission. But I. Truly am so face blind and I'll tell you the mask situation in right now has made this even more difficult for me. I have had the experience many many many times in my life of seeing someone I know quite well out of their regular context and not knowing who they are. And my husband by contrast is like a super recognizer like I always say he could work for the CIA. We'll see someone and he'll say like, oh, that person was our waiter at the Odeon in two thousand eleven and I don't know how you can remember people like that. But. It makes sense that he works with photographer and he's of really connected to his I and I work as a writer and I'm really connected to language not necessarily the I. So. This book you must finish what year ago by delivered a final draft, this book and of Two Thousand Twenty. Okay. So it's been about nine months are the characters still alive to you beyond like knowing the boot well, enough at this point to be able to talk about it but do they kind of creep into your thoughts? Do you see some thin and think? And think Oh Amanda would wear that. No. They recede from my. The act of writing a is such a weird. Fever. Because you have to give yourself over to believing in something. That's entirely unreal. And I can only exist in that place while I'm in the work. Once. The work comes back to me. In manuscript form and I'm looking at the language and I'm looking at fixing doing the editing copy editing. By that point. I feel out of it. I feel out of that fever. which is a relief to be clear. It is a relief. Yeah. Yeah. You know I imagine the each stage writing a book has a different intensity has a different feeling. You Know Oh, thinking of ideas outlining. To sit sitting there and writing many thousand words you know final push whatever those phases might be. Do you have a favorite? Do you have one that you particularly dislike? I think you're right that there are different modes they're different like emotional responses to the part where you're sitting. With a blank piece of paper and a pencil as which is what I usually do and try and make some kind of map some kind of outline of physical representation of what the shape of the book will be. And then the point where you're. Engaged in writing a scene and the words are working well, and the language is working well, and you know exactly and sometimes there's a moment where you know exactly what you WanNa do and. There's an urgency even in the typing, you're trying to get it onto the screen before it falls out of your head. I think that for me, the hardest part is. The. Most labour-intensive part, which is revision when you have the three hundred pages. And you have to pick them apart again and figure out how to best reassemble them that part for me is very, very difficult With this book, for example. There's a scene you and I were talking about inspired by the Magic Mountain where clay leaves this family home in ventures out into the world in the car to get to the bottom of what's happening and he gets lost, and in the original draft of the book I think that happened in one long chapter and in the Finnish version of the book it happens. In two chapters that are punctuated by another and the simple act of pulling that one chapter into two and fitting another chapter in between those two have was challenging. It was hard and that sort of stuff is really hard for me to do. I don't love doing it even though it's important because my editors someone who's told me, I have to do with it. Right. Does it matter to you if readers decide that leave the world behind is about X. When you think about why No because it's none of my business unfortunately, I have three hundred odd pages to do what I WANNA do. and. Then my job is over and once I handed over to the reader. Like. I'm no longer really a part of the transaction and so there's a reader who's going to read this book and feel that it is about being a parent. There's a reader who's going to read this book and feel it's about climate change a reader who's going to read this book and fillets about contemporary politics as a reader who will read it into about race. All of those readings I think are equally valid. And have very little to do with my own intention for the material. You know it's just it's not up to me and when you think about your own private experience of a work of art. It's meaningful to you because it is and you don't have to check that against the painters. Intentions were filmmakers intentions. One of them anything should do is right boot reviews I know a couple of weeks ago. You did a fantastic episode of working a conversation with Charles finch about being a boo critic but. I am of course curious if. Having been reviewed changes or has changed the way that you approach writing book reviews. It has I think 'cause I know how difficult it is to write a novel or write a book and I know what an investment of time and emotion and just you know a book can represent years of providers life, and so I think having experienced that intimately firsthand. I feel more generous impulse toward the books that I'm asked to look at not that anyone's being graded on a curve for the simple fact of having written a book but I better understand what an individual book represents to in terms of labor in terms of time for an individual writer and I, try to look at it. With maybe a generosity or you know, I, try to think about this is something that Charlie said in that conversation that I think was really useful is thinking about it in terms of what the writers intention was put the raiders project was rather than in terms of what I care about what's meaningful to me. So for example, if I hate books that are about Chinese restaurants and I'm reading a book about a Chinese restaurant. I need to set aside my own feelings about books about Chinese restaurants in order to think about the work that the writer was trying to accomplish. To be clear I would happily read a book about a Chinese restaurant. In almost every interview that you give, there's a question about your ability to present perspectives or write from perspectives that aren't your own. Across gender and race particularly. So this is the woman where I asked that question but. I WanNa turn around just ever. So slightly and ask if you think you'll ever write a novel about of immigrants a gay dad or someone of Bangladeshi heritage or a podcast host are you are you less interested in perspectives that are more familiar to you? I think that the answer is I'm less interested in myself than I am and other people. I'm. Increasingly conscious of. The moral dimension of what I do for a living and desire that if I'm going to write about parenting which I think, I do quite a bit early in this book and in the previous one. That I'm going to do it in such a way that doesn't expose. The real children to whom I am a parent right that they have some sort of obligation. To them and their. Self Hood, you know not to use that in my in my s fictional material. When I described being at lower Lipton's apartment. In December two, thousand, seventeen I was in fact writing a book about a man and about an immigrant. And it didn't. I mean that's still the book that I have on deck right. I haven't exactly cracked how to make it sing and maybe I won't because it's just too close to me. Maybe I'm just liberated by writing about something like a step away from me. But I also think that. So you know because you work with me on the podcast outward where queer people are talking kind of month after month about lake. How Shoddy? Insubstantial. Our understanding of identity in this culture actually is. that. We try to enforce some kind of rigorous binary about like men and women or black and white as a man couldn't understand a woman vice versa. If If someone who is writing a novel is so unable to conjure the psychology of somebody who happens to be different sex than them. The not is a failure of their imagination I think and I think we should expect writers to explore difference identities. Certainly, it's much easier to do on the page than it is to do in reality and. I think that there's a lot of great fiction. In which the author is writing across a line of difference especially with respect to sex. As you know I'm somebody who works in the media business. So I've spent most of my career working among and indeed for women and so I've had a kind of. Front row seat to the performance of upper upper-middle-class womanhood in New York. City. So when it comes to fictionalized that I don't have to. I don't have to do a ton of research I know that material backward and forward, and it's much more compelling to me than the material of my own life. Support for working comes from facebook voting. This year is a little trickier than usual. What you don't want to do is be the one sprinting to the mailbox trying to send in a last minute vote or get to the front of the line at the polls only to realize you're not registered. That's why facebook has created the voting information center whether you want to know how to register how to vote by mail or how to vote safely in person the voting information center can help you find the answers to your questions and make sure vote is counted because of vote counted is a voice heard for official information from election authorities visit facebook dot com slash voting. Info Center. June that was a great conversation. I learned so much both about writing and I'm a writer. So I'm trying to get those nuggets of wisdom and about Ramon himself you have worked with him in several capacities over the last few years. In fact, I think when we were first talking about doing this show, you were like we need a third host and specifically we needed to be remodel because he's so wonderful. So what new things did you learn about our esteemed colleague I tell you what I did not learn Isaac and that is. Something that he's not good at the most be something, but it was not revealed in that conversation is a very thoughtful insightful guy and I learned that he has a philosophy about every aspect of writing character setting story. And I I was really glad to learn that I'm a great believer in mission statements whether that's podcast or the way a company does business or raising children. Otherwise, how do you know if you're meeting your goals? You gotTa have goals and I really no no that Ramon has a very clear vision of what it takes to write an oval and I I love that. Yeah. You know it strikes me that one of the reasons why people are going fucking crazy over leave the world behind is that it is a great book but another reason is that it seems so prescient. So tapped into our predicament to such an extent that it almost feels like. What prophetic stream of the Zeitgeist was remond plugged into when he was writing it? In your normal cultural consumption when you're reading books watching movies, whatever do you want works of art that speak very directly to what's going on in our present moment or do you want to get away from that? Are you are you reading station eleven and watching contagion for the twelfth time with the with the lights turned off or you going in the other direction? Completely Well, normally, my inputs are very wide-ranging, but in these very very weird times, I have gone completely to the light end of the spectrum. It's all delightfully uplifting Canadian comedies, Agatha, Christie reruns, and really really old radio place for me but I will say that I found romance novel like really comforting in unexpected ways I mean again when you know the plot, you think, well, this is going to be really dislocating in dislocating year but for me, I, know he said, I'll I don't care what people take to be the meaning of the novel but I took away a pretty clear meaning which was. You know for me leave the world behind is about the futility of always seeking explanations and our irresistible desire to know why things happen. And I think that a lot of the time what breaks of psychologically is losing that sense of understanding and I've been having a particularly Rococo dental issues recently even for me and. All the various specialists always want to know why strange things are happening and romance spook really made me feel much more comfortable saying you know what I don't know because sometimes, why just isn't the right question and his boot really led me to understand that in my bones which funnily enough is where my particular problems lie, what about you? Know Right. Now because I'm in the middle of drafting more than one project that is asking a lot for me creatively. My reading is entirely either research stuff for those projects or it's like this is the hour I have left in the day and and so I am going to engage in literature for its own sake I have science fiction and fantasy book club and which is actually on hold right now because of the aforementioned deadlines and wasn't my choice, it was someone else's but they chose a an apocalyptic novel and at first I was like God damn it but it was actually really wonderful to read. It was not a terrible soul crushing experience. It was about you know what of our civilization of ourselves and of our world indoors you know and that was a really great feeling to experience that. It is a book called Hollow. Kingdom. A curate, Jane Buxton and basically a Zombie outbreak has happened you know all humanity is turned into zombies and so it's narrated by a domesticated crow who sets out with his best friend a bloodhound to try to free all the domestic animals in Seattle. and. So it's it's hilarious. I mean it's very funny because it's from the point of view of a foul mouth crow but it also had this great kind of idea which is what of humanity will actually persist when we're gone what are the good parts of while we're destroying everything around us and? It wound up providing some comfort even the humanities totally screwed in it. I am guessing from the moment in the interview when you were talking about characterization with remind you were surprised perhaps even taken aback by his approach to character and what he thinks character is four and how you write one I just thought it was so fascinating the way he creates a character and why and how it impart flows from the fact that he's face blind right and maybe that's because I, like his husband have near total recall for faces. Me Too me too same I. Am a Super Sierras well, which makes me an standing celebrity spotter for me like my equivalent of that like I was. So sure it was all about the characters in the writing process was all about like giving corky traits and takes to two characters. Because of me, I was reflecting my own habits and tastes like. I think it's a sign of a successful piece of fiction that we treat characters like we do real people. So I think we're we're talking about I have a good memory and one of the ways that plays is I can always remember like factoid that people told me about themselves or their families and I've kind of squirrelled away some factoid about the characters in this book like I am prepared with good nugget should I ever run into clay are Amanda or d.? H. R. Ruth who were characters from that novel. So I really don't think I'm going to but has a sign of good fiction, right? Yeah. Absolutely and you know part of that is also his approach. I guess I would say the way he thinks about what is autobiographical in a book that to some extent everything's autobiographical because we're trapped in her own subjectivity and it all flows from us. So all writings autobiographical but his work is not autobiographical in the way I think. Critics and the market. which has to do with pulling very directly from his identity. Right there is actually I think no character in the book who lines up with his particular identity categories, but that may be our definitions of auto biography are too narrow. What do you think about that? Absolutely, it's really clear in leave. The will behind that remind is intimately familiar with certain kinds of personalities and people and. All the things that are important to those people, the things that they feel the need to signal at all times and the things that they feel they have to hide that kind of understanding I guess is what's really important when it comes to creating characters whose biographies aren't or sunlight, they're not the same as the authors. Absolutely. Well we hope you have enjoyed this episode of working. If you have please consider doing any number of the following things you can subscribe to the podcast wherever you get your guests If you happen to be an apple podcast person, please consider leaving US day review. 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Episode 50 With Special Guests James and Katie
"What am operating coach. Paulie bar here from coach's corner. I wanna thank you for joining me for conversation. Nuggets and tips. That will set you free if this content is bringing any value today. I want you to do me a huge favor. My friend and dropped me a review down below here on apple podcasts. And if you have any questions or comments you can email me at identity of one. Coaching at gmail.com. With that being said it's time to dive in so that you can be set free west going on everybody and welcome to another episode here on. Coach's corner podcast. I am probably bar lead pastor of set free life and you can find all my information down below here on apple and if you would do me a huge favor if this content brings you value just like my intro said. Drop me a review here on apple. And if you're on any of the other favorite podcasts abs- you can also follow me there and turn those notifications on so whenever i publish something new you get the word and so today i have got james in katie. And that's where i'm gonna stop. I'm going to let them introduce that last name. Because i will probably because my last name is eat barra and i've heard i've heard a bar. I've heard all of that. So i am not going to butcher this couple right here. I met Katie me and a friend of mine chrissy more we were going to interview her about music and everything. But you know life happened Deaths happen cove. It happens and all these things happen. But now i am able to not only get her on the camera or on audio but her but her husband james as well and they've got an awesome awesome testimony a love there there. A story of how god collided them to together. Brought them together their story of music and everything that is involved and so without further ado shut my mouth. And i'm going to allow james and katie to introduce yourselves. Let us know where you hail from. And let's dive into this conversation. Starting where how. Y'all met okay. We'll speak in the last name. Hang its new. Like months to figure out how to say. When i first met you know like i had to think of the word paprika. The only way. I could think of what his last name was. Just to get noriega because my friends in school. We're just we're knowledge in my brain right now are lasting is no riga. No regrets not so. Yeah you're not most people. Can't i couldn't Katie yoweri guys. It is it's Origin somehow quarter portuguese but he asked for my pods. So let's see where we where do we start do we. How do we start with you know. I was born a little for him. But currently we're to you from a little town called kings berg for now which is about thirty minutes south of fresno and we moved here years ago. Three years ago. I started working in two thousand eighteen to moved in two thousand seventeen. I was used to be up in the bay area. San jose silicon valley where ya. They're born raise. Their katie actually was born and raised dental town called to hatch. P. there was near bakersfield here and she went up for college and That's where we met so yes townsend. I moved there for school as a little. A little christian college san jose christian college which has now become william justice university in his relocated. You north bay. California like rockland area. Time so i'll just start with a little bit of my background. Before that. I moved to san jose for that school specifically to pursue music. Because that is what the lord made it clear he was calling me to you and so growing up in a real small town. There wasn't a lot of options Anyone who's from tach beacon probably tested us your options especially at that time was basic leader was so in that town that your options were doing drugs or doing nothing so i chose one path and my brother chose the other and so i just remember really crying out to god i was. I graduated school. When i was sixteen. Because i didn't really want to be in school anymore and i went to a role small private school that started at our kitchen table and until i decided to get my senior year. Because i just didn't wanna do it. Anymore i'm rambling. I'm sorry. and and so. I felt so aimless. I didn't know what to do with my life. I didn't i hated school. I didn't want to go to college. I didn't know what to do and I was a youth. I was like i was sixteen but i was a youth leader. Like one of the adult use leaders at my youth group and we We as adults took the kids to a gosh. What was it called. Things called joy fast and it was at magic mountain in southern california and there was just a bunch of different concerts. dc talk. Who were all as a group at that time are now they're a little more spread out and audio adrenaline was huge. I'm totally dating myself. And michael w smith i'm just such a name dropper He was performing on one of the stages. And i was a little bit isolated just in so many ways and part of that was intentional. Part of that was the word separating but was sitting by myself up there. And i was just asking lord for that millions time. Got what are you calling me to like. I don't understand purpose of my life. And i won't name the album that michael w smith was performing because again that totally dates me but But he was he had changed the setup his stage and he had moved out onto the runway was just having his keyboard and it was. It was my dad so it was one of the big stages at the time and and the largest had so clearly. That's that's when we want for you. That's what i'm asking you to do for me. And at the time. I just remember being beloved with wet. I how lord is speaking to me and so i knew i had heard his voice although i would be lying if i said i didn't ask him at least a thousand times the rest of my life. Are you sure you're you right. He's confirmed it every time so it's time to stop doubting right and start pursuing at some point and so now we met. This is how here around round the time in the nineties. If i was. I was a youth leader. Also my my youth group and was in worship ministry and everything i got into music. My dad was a musician and Worship music was really what drew me to the lord. It was the first time being born raised catholic. I wasn't used to the passion and the and the art of music. The way worship was in that. So that's what the lord really used a draw man and the first concert i had ever been to was also michael w smith concert. Yeah we'll she forgets things. I do get that when you've been married for well you know talk about that retail stories and then we have memories stuff anyways. I wanted to share that because there was two parallel parallel roads. Going on where lord was preparing us. You know Especially for those who are who know the lord that are doubting Maybe the purpose purposes single. And they're waiting for that time that we are story really was we look back on it. We see the lord working before we met each other and And i remember youth. Camp was at where the lord gimme of vision. Similar to katie's where. I was on stage performing for him. And that's when. I knew i wanted to go to Pursue music specifically at a college and meyer road diverge away from the lord and wentz addiction and stuff and we'll go too much in detail that brought me back from katie but i was just want to share that little bit that which she's talking about the same time can separately whereas similar things that lord was preparing in my life. So you got so just just. Both stories are so powerful. Because god was working in you individually to bring you together corporately. And that's a the reason why i love. That story is because it was the same with my wife and i The same time. That i was in ohio. She was in west of west. Virginia which is right next door right about the time that she got saved. She got saved a ninety nine win her when when she gave birth to her son so ninety nine was when she got saved. I got saved two thousand. We'll start going to church two thousand four but we were in the same geographic area. Now watch this. She moved to texas in two thousand seven. I moved to texas two thousand six and a half and we were blitz in the same neighborhood never knew each other. I went back to california literally to backslide. Because i was some stuff in me. That i just needed to burn out and so i came back to them from there. Went back to ohio state there for year. Two thousand eleven. I come back to texas. And that's how her and i met at a church and and and god was preparing her and he was prepared me. So that's why this story is so special to me because it's it's in this parallel universe matrix right now. We all took the right pill and and so now you know. Now you're together and so now you're both musically inclined so how to all of that come to pass to where now you are where you're at with music and ministry and all that good stuff so through the two thousand. Yeah will. But i will say this if i can remember where i was in my brain when james wanted to energized so after the lord called me nothing in my life changed. It's not like like the lord tells you. Hey this is this is my will for your life. This is what i'm calling you to in. Suddenly everything lines up the clouds. Don't win the angels. Don't seeing all that might happen for some people. That's not how it happened to me. Laugh i decided to confide in someone who i had a a lot of respect for who was a mentor in my life and i decided to tell him with the lord had told me he didn't rally around the hear me on and helped me realize that was quite opposite. He told me that that was a lion. I wasn't good enough to be called to music and that did a number on me because that wasn't that was. I already struggled with insecurity because i think a lot of people do I mean who doesn't affect the so. I already struggled with insecurity. I really struggled with the. I'm not good enough. And so having someone then right after the lord says something to you and and wants to plant something in your heart having someone rob that away from you make things really hard and one of my biggest mistakes for me was not telling my parents for way too long because i was afraid that they would also be like come on katie. You need to do something that's actually gonna earn your money. I make you living do something. That's one of the hardest things to do. But i forgot. Was that my parents while flied our first of all my biggest cheerleaders. Second of all it scott's calling nita something day trust my relationship with the award that they're going to be like okay. What can we do. And that's what my dad did. When i finally told them he's wanting to move heaven and earth to help me pursue that and so i will say the word is doing something in you. We be cautious about who you share with and pray about that because what you don't want is to allow those seeds to be stolen komo before they're even have a chance to take root and so there's a there's a bible verse eight believe it's app proverb about casting your your pearls before swine and so that is specifically what i did. I took this pearl that the word gave me and it was so beautiful. I decided to share it with the swine that are rolling around in the mind and they were going to transfer some of that mud onto this beautiful thing that the lord is doing and the pearl doesn't go away. It's still there. It's still yours but now you're going to have to dig through some of the money to get back to the beauty of it and so that's really what happened to me so it was another couple of years before i really felt the burden on my heart that i needed to have designers which was again with the lord was doing because that's where james was born and raised and so i moved to go to san jose christian college and i. I knew that i was there. As long as the word provided so when the lord stopped providing i was no longer enrolled in school. I was maxed out on all the scholarships they would give me. And i couldn't get alone. My parents can get away. And they wouldn't let me enroll for the next Trimester classes until i paid off the previous one. And i didn't have the money. My parents didn't have the money and But i really felt was to stay in the area so i did and And there was just rough. Goes there but the word was always faithful every time and he ended up moving me she replace that i will probably forever call the worst two months of my life which is saying something because there's been some rough times back what was also the worst was totally the best because in that time i was acutely aware that the lord had me all to himself i was. I was back to being completely isolated. All of my friends were still in school. I couldn't relate to their lives anymore. I was working was renting a room from a family. That didn't want me there and made it very clear I i was just. It was rough and but had i not lived there. I would not have met james because he grew up with the sun and so because of living in that home. I with attending a different church that i didn't normally attend and and so i was just. It was just the though her real cool time with the word. I've just diving in deep with my relationship with him. Because i was so isolated from people and so i started going to this time. Sort of a college group and james's pointing out here under my. Hi welcome to real life. And so i started going to college group and a girlfriend of mine. They decided to switch the college worship band with a sunday morning worship fans and so i went on the sunday morning. I would normally have gone to my normal church and so i went to sunday mornings a broker. Who was singing on. That team hadn't seen in awhile from school. And james was drumming that day and so the good the bad and the other of how katie was back nine and probably still is It was after service and i was backstage. I was hanging hanging out with my girlfriend. And we were talking and james a little bit. I think you have tunnel. Vision wasn't like the clouds parted and angels thinking and so he decides to come over and withdrawals back then. But i was unwise. Is this need to talk to this month and right away like you said why wasn't going to go through all the rotunda me authentic baby. You're banning having senior year before nice which was genuine as she did look familiar. So i said mets. I can't think of a better line. Now we'll see you all these little. There's each of these little nuggets that you know of his time for today to show but when we look back over and we see guns hand instrument we go. Whoa the big one that i wanted to save before we get music. Part though the finish this chapter off as the Knew i was going through struggles at the time. Trying to come out of drugs alcohol everything god was already doing a miracle life read before i met katie but it wasn't You know one day. I'm not clean than though damn clean. You know so it was so going through my coming clean period while katie's nomi and she didn't know that at first but then it was revealed to herself her. Her thing was like this is not something i wanted my life. So she was she. There is an attraction there and and we liked each other. We were hanging out but once she found that out she quickly wanted to like. We need to end these this thing but a big thing to always stand up to me is that there was one day. You know we don't go through all the details but there was one day that we talked and i just told her that. I don't think i can just be friends. And she goes in different times or trying to anyways so So she said that. I'm not sure about that You know. I need to make mixture that the the you were from the lord basically and and so i said well i i definitely feel like you're from the lord and we're supposed to be together. She goes well. I don't feel that so one of us is wrong. So we're going to go our separate ways and we're gonna pray about it and and this this really kicked off Something that's been a through line through our then was Putting the lord. I in all these things even back in when we were young early twenties. You know kids not knowing what to do that. That was a really good thing that she pushed us into the she went to her parents for the holidays and went to mine florida. We weren't supposed to have any contact with each other at their. That wasn't muddying the waters we were both going to put it over the lord and be willing to be obedient to whatever he said because james really believed that we were supposed to be out there but i knew for a fact that we weren't so one of us was going to be wrong and what was really cool in that was we were supposed to be no contact for like a week or two while we were on opposite coasts and i made it home and my dad who had been championing so i said that right champ championing ing me four learn or girls for drying hard boundaries in my life for rejecting the compromise. That james was walking in like was just like. You're being a jerk. This guy's in love with you and i was home for maybe three hours when i was like. Oh man i'm supposed to marry this guy. And i just knew but of course i'm gonna talent that holland how we ended topping entire time. We were on that trip and then when i went to pick him up from the airport when he got back from florida camden so i said okay i read about it. I'm ready to date you and you said yeah so the lord needs to work some stuff out mean your addiction wise and everything why it to be three months and this arrested Lasted why again were things that were the alright fully we should. I just couldn't wait the full three months. Oh probably should've this is true. We don't wealthy altogether are awesome. Like there's such there's such synergy because y'all remind me of me and my wife. I'm the talker. So i'm eighty m. My wife is james. You know what. I'm saying like jams brings balance but katie brings fire and so the two together the end. This is where it's imperative. That couples understand this so many times. And you guys can probably agree. Is that so many times we try to date ourselves because we get along with ourselves we know ourselves and so when those relationships take off my exits back in california was never married to her but i was with her for five years and her family is like my family like we were just huge family. In how long story short. We were two peas in a pod. Our birthdays are like two days apart. We had the same birthmark. It was just as crazy dynamic and we tried to get together but all it was was fights men separated. We're still friends to this day. Like i can call her. She'd call me text me whatever and would just like laugh about just stupid stuff but we knew that we could never be together because we were friends before we were ever a relationship and we both know boundaries. I don't call her like my wife's not around her nothing crazy going on but you know when there's a death in the family show texts me. Hey can you call me sure. And then you know. I'll pray and all that good stuff you know. What i'm saying is is that so many couples out there think i've got a date myself like i'm looking for myself. And that's not the case because the marriages that i have seen that have made it. Even though there's adversity are the ones that have the balance in the fire off. San and so when those. Two worlds collide. And that's why. I call it the intersection the collision. Because there's two different worlds the come together and when those two worlds come together as just evan and earth you have spiritual you have natural. When those two collide. That's where ministry bursts that's where music comes to play. That's where everything begins to just function in those gears in those wills and i just had to just stop both. Y'all and y'all are awesome. You know the last phone call that we were on. I was able to to meet james. But i mean y'all spirit is just so genuine. It's pure its power it's anointed. It's calm it's fire. It's all of that all one once so man. I just had to throw that in there. I appreciate both of so. Continue on continue on on. Okay well thank you for that advocation. That was just really cool so it really appreciate that. And i'll tell you right now. That's just a complete testimony to the award. Because what what. I inherited with james with a man. Must i'm gonna say the true. He wasn't asked he. He really like rough go of it and then he. He had routed relationship with the war that started when he was younger. But he chose to walk away from that and do some compromises that created a lot of just damage. And so. I got this damaged dude. Who was but had such a sweet and beautiful heart dot wanted peace above all things show to the point of like a little bit too passive like basically gave katy whatever she wants to make her happy because he didn't want any conflicts and he inherited first of all a bulldozer. I think early in our marriage fire especially early. Didn't you might rydell the time. Nine nickname with linebacker married this. This was this occurred to any couples with this too. Is that come on that. We were two waves colliding. Understate the us. Well we watched lord evening. Well they way you inherited it was not only the fire and the linebacker steamroller aspect of me. But why didn't compromise. When it came to substance there was a little none none a little bit of a testing the waters as an adult actually has a married adult. Which was the first time in my life. I had even really touched alcohol. Because i know my i know my roots and i know my family history when she was talking earlier about the two rows dividing in clarify so her her brother went down the dictum route and she still can clerk. I was thinking about maybe she. She stayed very pure. And i was a good and bad thing which is interesting but that's a whole nother so wipe. That didn't me his first of all my already. Pre tendency towards being judgmental and prideful. Kind of you know. Solidified so not only was i- prideful judgmental especially at james who had compromised But i my road to recovery. Took me through abuse so one relationship before james and it was in my hometown and it was an abusive relationship and and while the word was so gracious to me and not. Because i think when you are in an abusive relationship whether we're talking emotional verbal physical sexual whatever it is it doesn't start out that way because it started out that way you'd be like man what i don't wanna walk into this more often than not it starts out super gradual and that's how it did for me and i'm just really grateful that the lord Gave me is to see. I think it really was just the people who were praying for me because they all watched me become a different person very quickly because of being in this row in this relationship that started out as just emotional and abuse and probably would have escalated to a much darker scarier place. Had i not extricated myself and what that did was it took someone who already had these insecurities in this broken in. It made it more. And so while i really sought the lord for healing in that and there was a lot of healing that had taken place before i met james the way i put it as i had never been tested in the area of a relationship before and so then this dude comes along and there was so much fear of patterns repeating that because while in my mind thought too. I like dark brown eyes. Dark brown hair guitar players and both of my relationships were lawns. Blue-eyed drummers hers. When you end up playing guitar seal the deal turn. Yeah totally so So angry so. James got this judgmental prideful fearful little insecure thing who compensated with aggression and over personality. Hands all the things that shield your mask. Totally my quick wit. You get a little bit of that from her. But i saw long sarcastic man. It's it's i hear. It's a bad thing i don't know. She taught me more the humor. Those very seriously serious. And i've taught her how to beat a little nicer mayhem meaner. And he made me yeah. I'm telling y'all y'all remind me of me and holly because hollywood she's german. She's not but she was very rigid. Like when i would joke around with her she would say like. Hey did you grab the money or something. I'm like did you say i was funny. She's like why do you do that. It's a joke like is humor in and now chill do it. And i'm like really you know and it's just so it's so funny that are stories are just so similar. I've said guys keep it going nuts. Because she does the would created a monster. Now my gosh totally dead. And and i really have no to blame but myself. So so james got this mess and we proceeded to get married and pretty quickly within a year. We were fact to me like by the time we had known each other a year we were already had been engaged for a couple of months and were a couple of months out from our way so it really was very fast turnaround which we would have benefited from waiting. Go quicker. I wanted to elope. So how'd he wouldn't let me wanted a wedding so family anyways so moving along so we believe that we're called to music better. Because james had prayed specifically wife that would seeing and would partner with him in that. And i knew i was called but i had no idea how to get there because even though are taking guitar lessons and i've taken piano lessons i still don't play a lick of anything and so really i sing and i write. And but that's what attracted james comedic. I'm lacking in music. He's my one man band. What he is lacking i have so. We really are to have a whole when i met her. She was the early days of things being online. And everything there is a site. Oh diary dot coca diary dot com was like pre my space and all that jazz and it was. It was a great place to go in. And i would just put a lot of people would just poetry online and i would see some of them like. Oh this sounds like a song already. So i've put music to those words and you know and then i showed her you know part of me was it was Confirmation for me bunch of different signs that lord has given me the this this is there's something here and and when i gave it to her to as sort of like hey exchange then she was like live but that'd be my insecurity and my perfectionist. Stick my addiction to perfection which is never achievable Made me too judgmental of myself to appreciate what he was doing. Which really doesn't do the first time. We really tried to do music together. We had been married very long and we kind launched under Me and my name as our joy our front person just doing a single. You know artist kind of thing with with me and at and there was some really cool stuff. The was doing and i spent the problem. Wise that the roots of rose gusted we always got lynnwood start with creates a musically could never sustain it and put it in front of people through fear program but there was so much fear and so much insecurity and and and again judgmental ness was judgement of myself as well which translated into our music and so while my heart is always be remembered in real authentic. Which i appreciate that you recognize. That is has taken years to get to that place because and this is what was translating that people would see me. And i felt like i wasn't those things. Well i'm gonna tell you all the good the baton ugly of who i am. Obviously there wasn't something that was something that was blocking that from being truly authentic and go into this mode which a lot of persona Dichotomy of being an artist you. You need to be a performer. The you also can't perform while you're being performance. Bring your authentic self too so that people can connect especially an artist as a musician where your treasure is a christian musician where cheer cheer the lord's theater yeah and still So yeah it was just this constant you know. Try to get the car started. Maybe the engine with catch a little die out again and then and then you know like my first car. Just keep running after you turn it off but you can actually go anywhere and so So we were constantly over the years. Just okay we're called to this. We have to pursue this. This is too hard. We're either going like just stop and be done and go pick a different line of work. Are we gonna do this thing in And so we finally decided we need to just figure out what the lord is actually doing here. And and i will stay there. Was this moment back. Narc communication is really terrible and we were fighting and we were Kind of young in each other. And i don't remember what i asked. What questioned the asked. I just remember without even thinking i yelled. It's because i'm to different people. And then he and. I both just stopped and looked each other and went. Oh it's like it had never occurred to me that the that all of these things in my life had created the best way. I can describe. It is like a multiple personality disorder. And that's what the problem was. There were so many little fractures. That the lord i hadn't really award the lap i really hadn't allowed access for the war to heal. And so he kind of had to bring all of those little pieces together at mendham back together and so I was a robot i didn't. I didn't know how to feel a process emotion. Yes you cry. No shoes cried credit or wedding. I didn't talk anything emotional movie. I avoided him out play. Because i didn't i didn't never wanted it's event. I didn't wanna feel anything or knew that i needed to heal. We were going to be artist the way he planned us to be. Yeah so so when we talk like we believe in our calling is specifically recovery ministry and so recovery first of to recovery. Yeah by different kinds of recovery. Because an that's the that's the beauty of it right. Every single person has their own story and so because of that everyone is in recovery on some level. And what is that. Look like an and recovery because there are so many different things that create the damn inch. If that's what you have to recover from an so revenue yeah totally and sow the lord had just hit me on that on that journey of healing and wholeness and so when we were then crying about really what our music is supposed to be. That's where changing names was born as we were because we are involved in this this this label called an incubator and everything they were trying to create. Something we just didn't feel was authentic. We us we didn't really know what it was but we knew something was off. Switzer could break from that before. That even really got started did introduce this awesome. You know but Anyhow so so that that kinda took us into this mode of like really searching deeper like lord whitty you want to be and i don't think it's just katie joy because there's some special about us together absolutely you know the the the one thing that i want to interject and i loved what you said. Katie was everybody is recovering from something. And this is a stigma of the twelve. Step program that. I've been trying to break for years bed while when when we started set free. It was geared on a twelve step program towards addiction but we soon quickly found within a month. That three quarters of of the women that were coming didn't drink. Were doing drugs. But they had vaneman issues election issues insecurity issues accidents huge perfectionism narcissism the whole nine and. That's when i quickly realized holy moly. Is it beggars. It's bigger than substance abuse. Exactly and so i just wanted to inject that to help people understand like i've said it for years and i'm glad you confirmed it for the people. Everyone needs recovery from something. We're all recovering from childhood loss. miscarriages the internal. There is so much internal that's going on and as you guys are are putting this music together. What i keep hearing is. There's there's beautiful symmetry there's rhythm there's the rough edge and then there's the soft. It's all of this coming together. And god is creating this rhythm in you for your music and it's it's it's so so so powerful. So where are y'all now with your music especially right now with the pandemic and all this stuff going on. Where are y'all in this in this arena. Sell that thing with us. That has been if for some reason. There's just always been a struggle. And i'm usually the lynch pin to the struggle So the lartigue me on the process of healing the and and we re as a band which is really the two of us and then when we're able to bring in other musicians and do a full band we have awesome people that were connected with but we compare it down to just the two of us. The name was really interesting that gave us to. Yeah when we are paying their name The one at the lord on my heart was changing names. And the reason. Why is because when you look like first of all there. There's a lot of different meanings behind that. But when you look in the bible when the lord is doing something he of creates marker not every time but sometimes but you do see it threaded throughout scripture as like were were making that. We're setting this marker right here because this is the old and this is the new and and the beauty of recovery is first of all you. You don't have to be today or tomorrow who you were yesterday come on. You don't have to be tomorrow who you are today. There's there's healing process and there's wholeness on the other side. Yeah and recovering like even one thing. I did want to articulate about. One of the things that you were just saying is why it's okay. We're all in recovery right but that sounds like man this is never gonna end but but the the ugly and the beautiful about it as i can be in recovery for this thing and i can. I can get to the other side of it. But then the lord's gonna show me this new thing that needs to be healed and so it's not that your recovery from this one thing is never gonna end once you get hole in this area within. You're gonna learn that that this is the case. And hopefully you're not gonna be that person who just gets banged into in damaged and broken all the time for the rest of your life by outside sources but you know that happens because we live in a fallen world and people can be sometimes and and so be just seeking recovery. It can it can be multifaceted at the same time and and once you get to the other side of healing and wholeness in this area then there's another area and and and that's actually a really awesome thing. You don't have to stay where you are. We are right now is A little bit of all becca. Just a little bit because twenty sixteen Has a lot to do with where we're at right now. Because what happened around that time was we finally finished the tenure actually with tenure at that point almost so the year that we started that album and we finally on is called lovely to see all the same ring. The doorbell but Anyway so we that took a long time To finish and but it was the first time we released a full album under the changing names thing and when we release something earlier merger talking earlier about katie joy. We had redone those songs and and worth them into the album. What was really cool. Was that the songs navy had been written. But the lord changed them. I wrote lyrics but the lord changed wingmen and and it was really a cool thing to walk through as as the lord has kind of re re looking at old stuff and giving us new meaning behind them and and what was also cool about that. And i'll tell you something. I think that that caught your ear inn christie's era when i was on the other podcast last year but I fervently prayed for the war to give me a love for the things that i create. Because i didn't. I had so much disdain for myself. That anything. That i wrote i didn't. It was never going to be good enough. And that was a prayer and a cry of my heart. The lord clearly answered. Because if i believe that he's inspiring what. I'm writing if i believe that i'm called to this. Because he called me. And and and i'm called to share him then if i'm having a disdain for what i create that's me seating him and him me so so what was really cool to see the lord's prayer to where i would be proud of something and i would wanna share it and i would be excited about it and told that i think really helped us kind of launch and kick off the album and and that's another area where i think i'm going to be in recovery for a long time of this struggle to fall back into old patterns of nothing i write is good enough and and it goes back to what she said earlier about the stopping starting like her first clunker car. She got that we had a great. We had a great release. They're just gets a little bit into the technical lord gave me ability to to be able to You know because. I d music lessons. I i was the band director at a trip up north and i've produced shows for For benefit concerts and things. So i know how to organize his way organized. You know set to work at getting this album finishing recorded and produced and and and all the connections from nashville to here to be able to to mix it right a master and and then get the band together to rehearse them to do the releasing lawrence just to Newspaper writer still is a really really good friend. He's that's a he's music critic but also very big supporter but then it kinda kinda stopped again. So that's where i feel. We're at right now and You were talking about You know the how the lord gives you words For the year and everything so is seeking the lord on a few different words came to me but when stick out to me was was activate for us that the lord is going to add to their activate. Something in our in our lives this year and calls to actions to activate certain things that one were Finishing up the things that we started for the album release in two thousand sixteen. Actually right on that point after we do rebound podcast with you. Were meeting with a director. That's going to help us. downright accent financing through the next music. So that's one of the things game is that i want you to finish the music videos for the rest. How come on. So we're doing that today And then the other one is activate our next chapter so were already starting to write our next album and actually we have a song. Three quarters of the way done for the next one which is a big thing because we've been stuck in a writer's block for longtime was a few was last month at some point and so we got that done in the lord gave us When i say the lord gave us you know there's many different ways where can speak to us. It speaks all individually and what we did like. We told you guys at the beginning of our story is. We'll pray separately. We come back together and we'll see how it meshes and we were commissions for each other and So he gave us a lot of mechanical things and one of them was much you to write a song a week and we failed at that but we keep striving towards the and we're gonna keep working on so we can get to at least that and then he gives another thing but i feel like the activate activating the next chapter for us I mean being on this podcast with us. Another one of those the the fresh thing is giving us and also the completion of what Was left undone twice. Sixteen so man that is so so awesome Just manages this whole story This whole testimony stories stories but testimonies are from the lord right and so this story right here is going to help somebody overcome their situation. That is a mirror of what y'all's are right now and so we believe that if we touch one person that's enough if one person through through this testimony that is enough and so as as we wrap this up i am so thankful for both the y'all and what i would kind of throw out there you know maybe a challenger whatever you wanna call it what i learned. This year was to take the word that god gave you and then create an acronym for that word. Let's tell you what it totally changes the game because my word for two thousand and twenty one was redefined as so when i broke. That down is renew my spirit every day determined to examined myself fully A fully as f- in new exploration of him so redefine isn't just redefine now. It's every day. it's an uber. Meaning it is. It's a totally different meaning. So when you take the word activate however you break it down or or gotta say note. Just keep activate. That's fine but i have literally started taking words and now mike our lord. What does this word really mean for me and it takes five to ten minutes because the first things that pop into your head it's like the holy spirit helps you and some of these words that i'm right now like wow like this is this is powerful and the in the guy that i learned it from. He was on one of my shows. Bruce pover- he wrote this book above the chatter your words matter and so god gave him four hundred days everyday he would wake up and he would write a new acronym and the word faith. God gave him Not faith gifts. God installed features to share. That's the word gifts. And i'm like oh my god god installed features to share. And so there's different ways. But i just want to throw that out there maybe it resonates with you and and if you don't do that but i mean i'm telling you it totally taint the game is then you're like i love my god. This really has some depth and so do us a huge favor. Both y'all in let us know where our people can find you You know all your social media is all of that and then if you guys can pray us out would be totally awesome. Yeah so the easiest place to connect with us as our website which is we are changing. Names dot com and their links to everything. But you'll you can find us on youtube. We've got several music videos up We are on facebook. Run instagram on twitter. But i'm not actually on twitter. I never go on there. I have one. But i don't tweet and so yeah i mean all of our social accounts are there. You can find us on spotify. You can find us on pandora. You can find anywhere you run itunes so our band name is changing names. The album name is called lovely deceit Which is one of the songs on the album which is one of the ones that started one way and alert change the meeting for but yeah so just really hope that the music blesses you Our contact information on there as well so probably the easiest like hub would be our website. Which is we are changing. Names dot com. Don't just google snow. We're going to get like all these federal websites on how to change. We didn't realize enough to right. Give a solution to that coming up. Amen amen well thank you both for taking out of your busy schedule to meet us here in. If you guys would prey us out. That would be totally awesome. You both me me okay. All right lord. I just wanna lift up paul and sat free lord to that you were just blessed that ministry award you know his heart and you know his call in you. Know the gifts that you've instilled in him lauren. We're so grateful that we not only have connected in life to be able to share. Just the awesome things that you've done in our hearts lord but that we were able just to join together in this in that are ministries would collide in this way is just really beautiful thing gotten We don't know the impact that we make and and that's okay because we don't need to know the impact we make word because you know the impact we make and that you're making through us and so for whoever listens to this today tomorrow next year. Ten years from now lord that The words that we've spoken and the hearts that we've shared. That really have just been dedicated to you that you would use that to work a healing and wholeness in the listener lord and that you would draw people whoever you're calling not only to this podcast but to The work that paul dies in the future and and even in the past of things that we've done lord you'd like to say that their evergreen that they're always knew to someone and lord that's the beautiful thing of you and who you are and and the people that you've called got at just pray that you would solidify not only in our hearts but in the hearts of those who are drawn to this that you would solidify the work that you're doing that. They would find encouragement that they would find. Hope learning that more than anything would find you. They would find your heart and they would feel your love and lord we just Are so grateful for this time and learn. I just wanna live paul in his rain things that you've called him to that this new year that he's trying something that he knows you've called him to that he's really going for it all in lord that he would just blessed those efforts that you would do what you do so beautifully that you take those steps that we give you in that you would just turn them into miles in god. I just prayed out over. Paul and got his pray for his marriage they just protect fat that he and his wife would be worse. Solidified tighter closer together and more united than they've ever been But this next year with just the most amazing year they've ever had and learn. Just lift up all of these things morning amid a man while thank you so much. So so much You have no idea how much that is confirming Prayer Just new things new things. That are coming You know the lord is impressed on me three major things here number one is to give more give more of my efforts give more of my time and also give more to myself being able to have that self care to say you know. It's important with steve. This right and then number two is driving this podcast to two places that that it's never been before and that's why i'm bringing guest on guest and guests but you know intentional guests not just a bunch of people and so you guys are part of that. And then You know three is is really connecting connecting with more people outside of the same social media. Sphere that every part of so now clubhouse and there's community dot com and there's all these different areas now that that is just driving in god is moving and all these connections and i'm meeting people from the uk. Feed people from californian just these these very intricate people that are all about healing that are all about recovery. That are all about self worth that are just in the healing business that god has put us in so thank you for that prayer. Thank you both for coming on this. Podcast I know that managing have some some some men stuff that we wanna do. But i know you guys are busy so we will get that scheduled and man. I'm just a today was a blessing and thank you so much james. Thank you katie. For your hearts and i can't wait to see what god does with both y'all into two thousand and twenty one you so much and thank you so much for having us on. This was a really cool experience acid. Something we've been wanting to to do and to do more of and so this is like the first time we've been able to win man. What a cool thing that we got to do that with you and with coaches corner and listen free so thank you for that. Thank you well. God bless y'all and we're going to end this recording all right.