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Impeachment Inquiry; More Transcripts Released; How Suburban Woman See The 2020 Vote

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Tonight Mick Mulvaney in the middle right in the middle and that might be a very uncomfortable. The place to be the job of the White House. Chief of staff is to implement the president's policy in new testimony released today says it was Mick Mulvaney implementing the the policy of pressuring Ukraine for the President's own political gain new the res transcripts from two top national security aides in the White House. Now Time Mick Mulvaney Dany to a direct role in what has been called a quid pro quo others call the shakedowns. Some call the bribery at the heart of the impeachment inquiry this on the day that mulvaney subpoena and skipped his deposition on Capitol Hill. Both the on a hill and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander van men say the president's Ambassador to the EU Gordon Song told told them during a July meeting that he had spoken to Mulvaney and that there would be no meeting between the two heads of state nor military aid for Ukraine without quote investigations. Colonel said quote the whole came from the chief of Staff's Office Hill said quote. We were told that it actually came as a direction from the chief of staff office colonel and called the administration's expectations of Ukraine of Ukraine quote a deliverable in ambassador. Someone's meaning he. He said quote there was no doubt he also said this of sunlen quote he was calling for something. Calling for an investigation that didn't exist into the Biden's in Barista Hill says her superior National Security Adviser John Bolton called this quote improper arrangement also today bones lawyer in a letter to Congress made clear his his client has extensive knowledge about relevant meetings and conversations that could be important for the impeachment inquiry but that he won't testify until and unless federal the judge rules on whether he must comply with congressional subpoena here to discuss all of this is Congressman Denny. Heck a member of the intelligence committee which conducted the closed door hearings. In which next next week we'll begin the public phase of the impeachment inquiry congressman. Heck thank you very much for being with us. These transcripts in the statements from Fiona Hill in Lieutenant Colonel Vincent and do you think this brings this all closer to the president himself. I don't think there's any doubt about it for first of all John. I serve with Mick Mulvaney for several several years in the House of Representatives. I know back. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that he never would have implemented. This had it not been at the direction of the president and secondly a bit of a unique the perspective. I'm a former chief-of-staff buy-sell for Governor Booth Gardner out here in Washington State. I guarantee you know chief of staff is going to implement anything of that. Importance uh-huh without direction from their principal in this case the president of the United States. But let's be clear and let's be correct in our terminology John. He's the acting chief of staff and frankly I'm not very sure or confident. He's going to be the acting chief of staff much longer because I think what's about to happen here is that he and ambassador Sunland online and perhaps Rudy Giuliani or all about to get thrown under the bus. Okay you bring up the Washington Post reports. which does suggest that re- Giuliani Mick? Mulvaney eighty an impasse. There might be treated as fog is from some supporters of the president in your mind. You just said that doesn't hold any water. Why mm-hmm because again? It defies credibility that the president's personal lawyer a large donor who had a ready access to the president. That's what ambassador Sunland did and his acting chief of staff would be carrying out these kinds of important acts without the direction of the President United States sites. It just defies credibility. And that's even before you consider the fact that of course we have the president's own confession in the form of the memorandum of call between himself often President Zielinski in which he actually attempted shakedown. The president of Ukraine clearly explicitly in arguably having read the transcripts of what. Colonel Vincent and Fiona Hill said. Neither of them said they heard directly from Mick Mulvaney about this. They say they heard from Sunlen who heard from Mulvaney was the significance of that? So John here we are. You can either believe that all of these. The people that came forward mostly career diplomats people across federal agencies across continents. All of these people who have come forward and giving depositions positions every one of which has in every material way corroborated one another and their narrative and the set of facts that they've brought to light. You can either believe they're are not telling the truth. And Somehow conspiratorially they all got together they all contrived all of this they cross the T.'s and dotted the is. You can believe they did that. Or you can believe would which frankly I think commonsense likelier to be the case. The president's lying Mick Mulvaney receive subpoenaed to testify today. He skipped it. Obviously I'm sure you would like to hear from him directly what he has to say about it but now that he hasn't shown up. Your committee isn't going to fight it in court. Why not? We're not going to play a rope a dope. That's another delaying tactic. On their part they'd like to see this extended for months if not years. It's a tried tried and true. Play out of the presence playbook even when he was in In the private sector what he would do with the subcontractors litigated them into oblivion but secondly we you don't need it. There's a mountain of evidence against the president beginning with of course his own confession. Which again acting chief-of-staff Mick Mulvaney signed in the formative formative press conference in which he acknowledged that there was a quid pro? Cool bribery this for that and the text and The testimony of all of these people we've deposed they all point to the President John Bolton who was the national security advisor his lawyer wrote a letter to Congress today saying saying that Bolton knows many relevant things that happened it was part of many relevant meetings and if he did testify would have things to to say that would shed more light in all of this. You have any idea what he means. And I want to remind you and our viewers that he defied a subpoena to testify well. Actually we didn't issue the subpoena. John a doctor. You invited him. And he didn't again show up and he made clear that he would defy subpoena if it was issued right. And I'd like to think frankly that embassador Bolton would come forward. I think frankly wrinkly John. It's the patriotic thing to do. He's acknowledged that he has relevant information. I think his responsibility in his duty as a citizen to share it with us and with the American public and in fact I wish that he would take a page out of the book of two of the people that worked for him Colonel Denman and Dr Fiona Hill who had the courage to come Ford share with the committee. Speak Truth to power about what went on here but again we're not gonNA play rope a dope. We're not going to subject ourselves to month after month. After month of apple protracted legal battle. I do want to ask about the testimony. The depositions transcripts that have been released because you can look at this as if there are two buckets. There's one bucket which is did it happen and then the other bucket of is an impeachable. The did it happen. Bucket is overflowing at this point based on the deposition you you have this what you describe as mountain of evidence about what took place. The is an impeachable bucket. How do you intend to prove that next week when these series go public so John? That decision is really one of a matter of conscience of each of the four hundred thirty five members of the House and the hundred members of the Senate that's a question of them engaging in personal reflection and I dare say prayerful reflection about what is at stake here If you believe that the president's shaking down Ukraine threatening to withhold critical military assistance to a vulnerable ally vulnerable strategic ally in Ukraine who's trying to combat Russian aggression and let's remember that they're thirteen thousand Ukrainians who have lost their lives on their Homeland soil defending themselves against Russian aggression. If you believe the trail of of his oath of office in that abuse of power is impeachable. Then you'll get to. Yes but it's up to each of the four hundred and thirty five members to consider the fact but you're right. I mean there is a mountain of evidence and it is arguable and yet the president has not acknowledged in any way shape or form nor anyone around. I'd like for us to get to the point. Where the debate was is it or is it not impeachable but it is a fact congressman? Denny heck thanks for being with US tonight I appreciate it. Thank you for more on Mick Mulvaney vaisnys role in all this want to bring in CNN chiefly land list and former federal prosecutor Jeffrey toobin and CNN political analysts in New York Times. White House correspondent Maggie Haberman. Thank you both for being here Maggie just just based on what you know about how this White House works and what Mick Mulvaney is role is in it. Does he freelance. Would he freelance on something of this important. Want to speculate without having actual details but about this instance but what we do know is in the past. Mulvaney has not been known to go do things. Well outside of what the president is aware of. We certainly know that he we knew. Even before all this testimony that he was involved in terms of directing the freeze on the aid that he was acting on orders from the president. That's basically what we knew now. We have heard his name. Come up repeatedly in testimony and given the fact that this was going on over a period of many months these conversations. It is hard to imagine that this was all happening. You know with Mulvaney on his own and the president was unaware Mulvaney is going to be a key witness as you said did for Congress to get to before them. I don't know that that's going to happen. But he holds. The answers to a lot of this has always been Mick Mulvaney. He wants to let trump be trump. It's never let mc MC I mean Mick. Mulvaney is role in there is to implement Donald Trump's policy in wishes and wins right. That is certainly how he has described his own role. I think there might be times where he is pushing back more than he says. But there's certainly nothing that I have heard so far and might more might come out but nothing that I have heard. That suggests that he was trying to stop this or suggested at the president. This is a bad idea and remember John One of the things. We don't have an answer to still is who came up with this India to freeze the aid. Where where did this actually come from this come from Guiliani to this comfortable vinnie? Did this come from trump. I I could see trump saying you know what we send too much money doing it. That way. That's sort of what Mulvaney frankly had suggested in that White House briefing that he did. Look the president has questions all the time about sending aid to certain places so we have to say in fact you point point out the one time we have heard Mick Mulvaney talk about this extensively he more or less said yes. Yes this all happen Jeffrey. At his at his famous slash infamous press conference a couple of weeks ago. You know. I think the Democrats are making a choice here. which I don't know is necessarily the right choice? There are two witnesses uses who could really talk about what Donald Trump himself said about the relationship with Ukraine because they are the ones who saw him every day. Remember the Republican defense. Here is that all these lower level witnesses are just hearsay witnesses. Will you Mick Mulvaney. The Chief of staff and John Bolton the national security adviser and both of them have refused to testify so far their legal position is somewhat different but in fact they have said they're not going to testify absent a court order the the the as you heard from Congressman Heck. They're not going to court art. They are simply think they have enough without these two witnesses. Maybe they do maybe they don't I don't know I mean that's a big sacrifice to give up those two witnesses he says Danny Heck says we're not going to play rope a dope basically. He said that four times. I don't know if it's time it's timing. It's time this is weeks or months yes it it is. Obviously it's their mind but you could also do two things at once. I mean you you could pursue this case while you are. I mean the the Intelligence Committee Mitty hearing is is next week and probably the week after you're going to have hearings before the Judiciary Committee sometime later in December. I don't know why you give up on these witnesses without even trying to expedite a court hearing I mean maybe it is too slow. Maybe and maybe they're too risky. I mean maybe they think these witnesses will turn turn on them. I just think if you want to know the facts you you would really want to hear from and Bolton on the very day that there are a lot finger pointing the direction and Mick Mulvaney there's a story of the Washington Post was suggest that some Republicans might make Mulvaney Giuliani sunlen befall guys here. Here we talked about this morning and I've been thinking and and when I called you in the morning no when we were on television this morning and I've been thinking about it a lot since we talked about it and I do think that there is a muddying the water strategy that this White House has been very effective at using. We saw the music during the Mueller investigation. We've seen the music through all sorts of other. Controversies controversies where they're basics position. It's proven right over and over again is people aren't really paying that much attention to the voters aren't paying that much. Attention the details so if we just handle it that way it's it's okay. It's so much harder to do that here. There's the president on the in the transcript of the call with Celeski and one thing I'm really struck by. which is that Giuliani tweet? This didn't get Looked at much but Giuliani when he tweeted that he had hired a lawyer. He tweeted right before he tweeted. The name of the lawyer The lawyers ears That he was doing this at the for essentially at the direction of his client That was very specific. Wording that was not in the general interest of my client and that was leading it right back to the president so I think this is going to get more complicated than they might anticipate. Let's talk about John Bolton for a second Jeffrey because you brought him up also the National National Security Advisor this to me strange in tantalizing but strange because is tantalizing letter from Bolton's lawyer saying he's got relevant things to say. If you WANNA go have a judge say he has to testify. Why dangle that I don't understand why he's dangling that in front of Congress well you know he is is in a different legal position than the lower level White House? Aides who have testified if the executive privilege exists at all it probably probably does exist for people at the level of National Security Advisor and Chief of staff and so Charles Cooper his lawyer who is someone who's very knowledgeable eligible about these subjects. I mean he said look you know we just want a court to decide this. We don't want to be in the position of making this decision. We will abide Bide Bhai whatever the courts decide now he could simply take a risk and just go ahead and testify. But he doesn't want to do that. I it's an unusual legal strategy. So the lawyers call it Interp- leader where you basically say. I'll do whatever you want judge but I'm not I'm not following. I'm I'm not taking a position. That's where he's going but in fact the way the Democrats are proceeding. It means. He's not gonNA test. You can do all those things legally Maggie without how this letter announcing to the world. I know things that's the Porta that seems strange to me. I had the same reaction you do. I didn't I don't understand the significance from a legal perspective him doing that. I do think perhaps and again I'm guessing here but I think it puts the White House and the president on some notice reminding them that he knows a lot that he could be sharing. I think that it you know again. Go back to what we said about early on Mulvaney. It's not lost on them. All that they could become scapegoats and I suspect that they are going to make clear Why why that isn't so all right? Jeffrey stand by much more to discuss. We have president trump's reaction to this ready steady drumbeat of of testimony. That was released this week. And we're GONNA talk to an adviser to four different presidents Republican and Democratic about the role that presidents chiefs of staff play in all of this support for Anderson Cooper three sixty comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans. 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Both Daniel is telephone calls review on September. The ninth had he ever talks you prior the telephone. I hardly know the gentleman back with us. Jeffrey toobin and Maggie Haberman. It was so predictable. The this would happen and we saw this before with Paul manafort person after person Michael joyner barely barely know. When does the president start to do this this with people and what does this signify? Well look at minimum signifies that he does not want to suggest there's any proximity between the two where he would be so willing to tell someone these things and and he's trying to undermine sounds credibility which is what we saw him do with Manafort and Cohen when there were questions about what they knew and could testify to. It's never a good sign nine when that begins usually when he when he says that about somebody he rarely actually uses the phrase. I hardly know them. It's usually I've met him once. I don't know them well he he actually really set it. I don't think that bodes. Well I don't know how significant is in the grand scheme of things because what someone's done already is amend his testimony. I think he said what he's GonNa say. So but it was only after him ended his testimony that president trump used that phrase that only a bad screenwriter would use right. I mean normal. You don't use that explicitly uses it again. I think he uses visit when he is trying to suggest that the person couldn't know what they're talking about because he always looks at it as who knows him personally and that's how he describes it so one person. He is not used this with yet. Jeffrey is originally on it yet. I don't know if it's yet or ever difficult Guiliani Guiliani. Every day finds himself more central for this. We've talked about how we hire. Laura is because he said Yeah. Yeah you know. I think it's possible to overstate his personal legal liability. I you know the people say oh. It was rooting going to be prosecuted by the US Attorney's office. He used to run. And you know it's it's a very dramatic idea you know if you look at Giuliani's as behavior you can say it's unethical. You can say it's improper the number of actual possible criminal violations. He's involved in seems to me almost none I. I don't see the legal jeopardy. He is in possibly failure to register as a lobbyist for for Ukraine those cases have been rarely brought and even more rarely successfully brought. I just I I. A lot of people are very mad at Rudy. Giuliani and they WANNA see the cops after him. I'm not sure there's there's anything there that's definitely true that I think a lot of people are doing some wish casting about what could be their bite. I do think and you know this much better than I do. And we've seen this play out in the last few years when federal prosecutors sort of get under the hood of somebody's finances I it can go to different places and we saw that with Michael Cohen and we saw that with any number of people who've who've been investigated in the last few years so I don't I don't think it is is a good thing that he's for him that he's being investigated by the southern district. It may not end the way people think little bit more of what the President set the lawn. Today I'm not concerned about anything. The testimony is all been fine. It seems that nobody has any first hand. The knowledge there is no first-hand knowledge but in no case I've been heard in no case is that I have I been heard. I want to talk about next week. Take the president. Says he's not concerned at all yet. This will be historic. We have public televise impeachment hearings very often in this country and I'm wondering the White House views that heading into that look so there's a difference between the president and the White House on how they're viewing it. The White House is viewing it from sort of the the fact based practical practical we've seen hearings that had blown up on the Democrats before the Corey Lewandowski hearing didn't work out the way they wanted. Certainly the Robert Muller hearing didn't work out the way they wanted and the president is where both of those things but donald trump is is uniquely aware of that White House is the impact of television on people watching it and how they will take in the information and how a good witness can be compelling doing and I don't think he is thrilled with any of this. I don't think he's thrilled that he has to go through them in a number of people who've been in touch with him He is he. He's just sort of dreading all of this this. I think he tells himself this will be fine. He is trying to tell himself. This is just another political. Fight has to go through. But he knows the power of of televised hearings can be compelling pelling. Geoffrey you notice it was one thing he said yesterday and earlier today that you just showed that. I think you're going to hear a lot next week is I didn't talk to these as people I mean the the leadoff witness is investor. Taylor and as Taylor has acknowledged he did not have one on one conversation with with with President trump. And that. I think we'll be a major republican. Talking Point come Wednesday the Democrats in Congress our congressional team reporting on this tonight is apparently preparing and for these hearings at a level with which they haven't done before certainly more than the Muller hearings they're going to have counsel. Do the questioning here. It does seem Jeffrey. They're they're very aware of what Maggie describes describes as the TV moment that will be happening absolutely. And if you think back to I mean all the way back to Watergate you know. The Sam Ervin was the chairman of the committee. It's one of the defining moments of the nineteen seventies The one thousand nine hundred ninety eight Clinton hearings themselves weren't as dramatic. You didn't have John Dean and the or anyone equivalent but I mean this is going to be one of the things. Donald Trump's presidency is remembered for the fact that impeachment hearings took place and and these witnesses testified now. Does he get impeached. Does he get convicted. Does he get reelected. Beats the hell out of me. I don't know but this is going to be a historical moment home and this president's in one as Maggie says he's keenly aware of he knows. TV He probably watched those hearings for all we know knows what it was like. I mean he certainly watch over the Watergate hearings. I have no idea but I mean he but he's certainly watched the muller hearings. He certainly watched parts Lindau ski hearing I mean he he he will be paying attention to this right Maggie Jeffrey. Thank you very much for being with US tonight. Coming up more on the questions surrounding Mick Mulvaney and David Gergen who knows a lot about the realities inside a White House remember. uh-huh create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. That's the end of the morning dragon experiment. Are you going to play first off. I'm always sleigh at Queen's secondly yes brick and mortar five all episodes premiering Sunday November tenth. Only on adult swim as we mentioned the top of the broadcast of White House. Chief of Staff is in charge of implementing White House policy the president's policy so what are the transcripts released Lisa of testimony from to White House. Aides who point to President Trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney as a focal point. They say he made a great deal of the maneuvering bring in the Ukraine affair. Few better to ask about all this David Gergen who has served in four white houses both Republican and Democrat. He is a CNN senior political analyst. Let's David thanks so much for being with us. Look generally speaking judge in your vast experience and I do mean that vast experience inside these different administrations to chiefs Lisa Staff. Freelance typically. Do they do things on their own. No no even the strongest chiefs of Staff. Don't and Mick mulvaney bovine is I think the weakest chief of staff and modern history. You know he's he's he's still acting both of his predecessors were fired. The president makes it clear on many occasions that he makes all the decisions everybody reports Dan. He doesn't really really doesn't matter. In a number vacancies occurring government because he is the government And so I think that Mick Mulvaney is in a situation where he he would never go outside his lane he would only he he would act at the Bass to the President even strong chiefs of staff go to the president with a big issue and Al.. Hey who had enormous power during the closing months of of the Nixon administration when the President essentially sort of off Keel and. Hey Guy Dolle things together. Yeah there he would still go to the president. Jim Baker. Who is I think the most successful chief of staff in modern history working for Ronald Reagan He would never go And Act independently of Reagan. He would always go to the boss. He would also explore things with other so and one more thing John and this decision Asian about holding back money was a big deal. That's why so many people like you know the the Bolton you know were in revolt against the whole Hennessy. Staff opposed this teams over the State Department opposed. The chief of staff is not GonNa make a decision absent presidential direction of such weight and and so controversial without taking it to the boss to start with and so I was thinking. Of course he he got the information Got The direction From the press. I just don't think there's any doubt that ultimately He did that and by the way if he didn't if he was rogue L. Player out there he'd be gone by so now he'd be the scapegoat about all of this. We wouldn't even be a mess all these hearing so. I'm not sure this was necessary. Or you think this was necessary to prove you. So you see this as definitive proof. Now that the president was involved was involved either directly or at least oversaw. What has has been described as a shakedown forcing the Ukrainian leader to investigate the binds in order to get a meeting or in order to get this military all signals point point to this went into the Oval Office? The president was deeply involved. There's no signal to the contrary. I will say this John Because I want to. I want to reinforce something Jeffrey. Free an argument. Jeffrey was making the Republicans cleverly. I think you have created a catch. Twenty two for the Democrats and that is they're arguing. Well the president. There's nothing in any of these people. that directly comes in the president. There's no evidence that the president ordered this and the same Republicans ineffective blocking from testifying three men who knows the truth. Who Know the full story? We've been denied and that is obviously vein. Obviously Bolton but obviously Giuliani as well and you know Democrats I think have to fight harder to get their testimony. I think Jeffrey was right. I don't understand the strategy there on about saying in well it'd be just rope it up. They ought to be raising. How so people WanNa just when when the final report comes out and the Republicans are you but you never proved it? You never proved it. They against there's only one reason we didn't have the full story and that is the key people wouldn't testify. So that's one argument here is that you don't have directly. Even though all fingers point in a certain direction the other argument that you've heard and I think you will hear again after all. This evidence is presented publicly that which has been presented behind closed. Doors is yes it happened. Yes there is the evidence of all this but it's not impeachable. I'm just wondering if you think that more evidence you have that it actually happened a certain way. If there's a point where that becomes an argument for it being impeachable. I do think that if you get the full story. It's going to have a thuggish kind of quality to at least one or two major players and it's going to reveal things about the White House. It sort of fit our darkest interpretations of what it's like like inside this team So that it's important to get a more graphic story. I thought you know one of the the Taylor testimony for example which was the most important testimony. We've heard so far. Had graphic quality to it. They really made us understand how it sort of ugly. This situation was and William Taylor will be the very first the public witness in the impeachment inquiry televised next Wednesday David Gergen. Thanks so much for being with us this evening. One last point one point. Yeah in one one of the reasons I think the Democrats. I've got to pay attention right now. Is there is some slippage in national support for an impeachment. It's it's small but it is contrary slightly above fifty percent below fifty percent. That is something I know. They are watching tonight. David Gergen thanks for being with us. Thank you John. We do have breaking breaking news Michael Bloomberg files for a twenty twenty Democratic primary. Does this mean he's definitely running on Saturday. November Ninth Jon Moxley Frizz Kenny Omega Kobe versus Chris Jericho for the ad w world world championship wrestling presents full gear by now or the our live Wednesdays on TNT alleged all the league rustling hits harder flies higher and Briggs all boundaries Christianity all wrestling a new League Wednesdays at at eight on TNT breaking news. Michael Bloomberg just filed to run in the Alabama Democratic presidential primary. The billionaire and former New York City mayor will also file for the Arkansas Democratic. Primary before Tuesday's deadline this is according to a Bloomberg spokesman who also says Bloomberg has yet to make a final decision on a run. What we do know is that Bloomberg is worried that the current Democratic candidates can't beat president trump? Here's here's what Joe Biden had to say about that today. Michael's a solid guy and let's see where it goes. I have no no problem within getting in terms of he's running because last polls I look Dan. I'm pretty far heads earlier. I spoke about the potential Bloomberg run with Democratic National Committee Chair. Tom Perez Mr Chairman. You spoke with Michael Bloomberg last night. What did you take away from that conversation? Well I told the mayor exactly what I tell every candidate or potential candidate which is we will welcome them. We will treat them fairly. We will make sure there's a level playing field and then we will leave it up to the voters to decide and I appreciate the call and we will do exactly that if in when he enters the race. Now I know what your job to say. You treat him exactly like any other and that everything's kun-bae in the Democratic field but his political adviser said the reason he's considering getting in is because he's concerned that the courage field is not positioned to beat Donald Trump. What do you make of that statement? I think there's many people feel that we have a really strong field and whoever emerges merges our nominee is going to beat Donald Trump. I have absolute confidence in that. And the reason I have absolute confidence in that because everybody running for president it believes is that if you have a pre existing condition you should be able to keep your healthcare and and that we should be Taking out in the pharmaceutical industry. And that you know we should be fighting to make make sure that people have access to the American dream not just those in the one percent and and so the unity of values we have as a Democratic Party. What what they they have in common with? The American people is that we're fighting for the issues that people care about. And that's why we won at scale this past Tuesday in Kentucky Virginia and elsewhere. It's why we won in twenty eighteen and twenty seventeen for that matter because I think the American people are on our side and I think our nominee whoever here she is is is GonNa win but if the premise of Michael Bloomberg candidacy is that the field as it currently stands is not positioned to be Donald Trump. You do not agree with that statement. I don't agree with that statement. I think we have a great field. I if other people decide they WANNA get in. I welcome them and we will continue to welcome them. I am absolutely confident at that Whoever emerges our nominee is going to win the race? And that's because of all the things I just said People want a leader. They can trust they. I want to restore honor to the Oval Office and they WANNA leader. That's GONNA fight for them not for themselves. There's been a lot of candidates running for an awfully long time spending an awful lot of time in states like I. I wouldn't Hampshire meeting voters. What are the challenges that someone getting in now would face? Well you have to introduce yourself to voters and you don't have a lot of time to do it and in so many of the states. It's not just trying to get on television. It's really getting to know people and so There's not that many days there's less than then One hundred days till Iowa and a month after I was Super Tuesday so this election cycle is going to be honest very soon Candidates know that. And that's why they are in overdrive. Do you think selling yourself to the Democratic primary electorate as a billionaire. What are the challenges there? Well those are the challenges that the mayor understands and we'll confront and I think Americans are going to judge the candidates on the content content and quality of their ideas their vision for America whether they will fight for them whether they will fight to restore honor to the Oval Office. Whether they're going to make sure we have access to healthcare whether we truly address. Climate Change Catastrophe whether we truly take action to reduce gun violence and whether we make sure that our leaders are looking out for everyday Americans not for people like Donald Trump. The way you have the primary debates set up is that there is a donor threshold. You have to receive donations for a certain number of people in the country to get into the debate stage of Mike Bloomberg Sell Funds. If he he doesn't bother raising money 'cause need to from two or three hundred thousand people to get individual donations. How would he get on the debate? Stage well those are rules those are. Oh the rules we set and We didn't make any exceptions to those rules. And I don't have any intention for the November and December debates. We've we haven't set the rules passed December. But we've articulated the rules up to and including December and they include grassroots fundraising threshold and every candidate. We'll have to meet that Mister style came in late in in Later in the process I wouldn't say it's late But later in the process than others and he understood the rules and he has complied. And I'm sure you're the mayor. Should he want to get on the debate stage. We'll understand those rules and do the same. So even if he's at ten percent of the polls across the board he's not going the debate into December unless he meets that threshold. That's correct right MR chairman. Tom Perez thanks for being with us today. Have a good day still ahead for rush three sixties Randi Kaye talks to a group suburban women to get their take on the twenty twenty race potential key voting bloc and what they said could be a worry to the trump obtain can't get enough of the NBA sign up for NBA League pass to gain access to every game being played across the Association Asian every night with all new ways to watch through the NBA APP visit Mba dot com or the NBA APP. To get started today a busy night. Let's check in with Chris to see what he's working on for Cuomo. Primetime the top of the hour. Sir J B mom man so we have Farid Zaccaria on tonight. Obviously obviously one of the items of intrigue here with Farid that this interview with the Ukrainian president was supposed to be to announce the investigations into the Biden's and others Obviously he didn't know what plot was afoot but has he ever seen anything like it before. And what can help us understand about why. This leverage was so powerful with Ukraine. Right we have anthony SCARAMUCCI here and we have Tom Steyer here to talk about Bloomberg and the new anonymous book. Yeah he's got a Billion Dollars Bloomberg Scott about fifty. Thank you so much recipe with us. See in a few minutes. So did those democratic victories in Tuesday's election mean president trump support the suburbs is eroding. Just ahead we'll speak to some voters to Kentucky to get their take on the twenty twenty raise. Some Republicans are acknowledging democratic again in the suburbs. During Tuesday's elections could mean trouble for president trump and twenty twenty. There is of course argument that the apparent Democratic victory in the Kentucky Governor's race was just a one in time result due to a largely unpopular candidate. So we sent three sixties Randi Kaye. There to speak with a group of women voters who consider themselves independent minded to register registered Republicans to registered Democrats in three registered independence. Here's Randi's report. I think that people are probably feel lean clean. You know kind of fed up seven independent women looking for a change in leadership from Kentucky to Washington DC. How many of you are considering acidity? Just raise your hands. How many of you are considering? Possibly voting for Donald Trump won all but one in the group are turned off by trump. Saying he's too much like their current governor. Republican Matt Bevin who according to the Kentucky Secretary of State was just voted out of office and to this group the same things that turn them off from Bevan are what turn them off from President trump to and as you listen to them. Remember this is Kentucky where the grass is blue but the politics are decidedly read. I'm getting a sense when talking about Bevin almost it almost gives me a sense of trump fatigue from you is is that is absolutely. You feel like you're you're twenty. Twenty vote will mirror your vote here. for a Democrat and do and and it won't just be at the top of the ticket. Ah It's going to be up and down the line. It's going to happen across the board. Even in very local elections would not say I would not vote for him. It really it depends. I don't want to vote for him but it will depend on what the Democrats offer up. Who Do you like on the democratic side? I just I'd need someone to be more moderate. I need I need them to to. I Dunno use some commonsense and not be so extreme. I think that's what we saw in the governor race that in Mare's trump and Andy Bashir is a moderate Democrat that a lot of people on both sides can get behind. Why are you still considering voting for trump because I his values on much more with mind than any of the Democratic candidates and so it sounds like you're planning to vote the same way you voted did in the St race here for Governor? Yes Republican. Yes Sarah what else are you looking for in a candidate in twenty twenty and what. Where's your head? I think. Warren warn is probably my the one that I find the most reliable. I like plans. I want my politician to have plans and I want someone one who who is truly knows what they're doing who is level headed. You know I'm tired of angry. Men Yelling at us on TV every day. Think anger was the biggest emotion this election. I mean I'm tired of less thirty. I'm tired of angry leadership. Why do you think suburban suburban women helped propel Bashir to what appears to be a victory. I think that what we're seeing more about suburban women truly want to have their own invoice. We're seeing now like more people want to stand up for themselves. I think it was an issue of personality. More than politics with Governor Bevin. He just offended ended so many people and he attacked so many people. It was hard to vote for him after some of the things he had done. You're young woman first. Time presidential voter. How how important is that to you? I looked for unity in our politics. I think both

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